[ ♪ MUSIC PLAYING ♪ ] >> Mayor Guajardo: GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. THIS MORNING OUR INVOCATION WILL BE LED BY PASTOR MATTHEW MORSE WITH PARKWAY PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH. >> GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION TO BE HERE TODAY. WILL YOU JOIN ME IN PRAYER? LOVING GOD, CREATOR OF ALL GOOD THINGS, WE GIVE YOU THANKS FOR THOSE GATHERED HERE IN THIS ROOM TODAY. FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS, FOR MADAME MAYOR, FOR THE MAYOR PRO TEM, FOR THOSE WORKERS FOR THE CITY. FOR THOSE HUMBLE SERVANTS. FROM THE CITY MANAGER DOWN TO THE FOLKS WORKING TO PUT SIDEWALKS OUTSIDE OF MY CONGREGATION RIGHT NOW. FOR FIRST RESPONDERS, FOR HEALERS. FOR THOSE WHO GIVE AND SACRIFICE, NOT EXPECTING ANYTHING IN RETURN. ONLY FOR THE JOY OF SERVING OTHERS. WE THANK YOU FOR THE VOICES GATHERED HERE IN THIS ROOM TODAY TOO, REPRESENTING DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE POPULATION IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. MAY WE HAVE AN OPEN EAR, AN OPEN HEART TO HEAR THEIR CONCERNS TODAY. TO CELEBRATE THOSE WHO ARE BEING COMMENDED TODAY FOR THEIR SERVICES. AND FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE GATHERED HERE TODAY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE WORKINGS OF GOVERNMENT AND TO OFFER OUR PLEDGE. WE GIVE YOU THANKS. GATHER US ALL TOGETHER THIS DAY, O LORD, IN THE SPIRIT OF PEACE AND A DESIRE TO UNITE, EVEN AS WE SEE PEACE TALKS IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE WORLD. AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT PEACE IS ONLY SUSTAINABLE WHEN WE CAN SIT DOWN AT THE TABLE TOGETHER, NO MATTER WHAT SIDE WE FIND OURSELVES ON ON A PARTICULAR ISSUE. NO MATTER OUR POLITICS. NO MATTER OUR PRIORITIES. NO MATTER OUR PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL VISION AND HOPE FOR CORPUS CHRISTI'S FUTURE. TO COME TOGETHER AND HEAR EACH OTHER. AND IN THAT SPIRIT OF COMMUNICATION AND LISTENING, ARRIVE AT THOSE GOALS AND THOSE PLANS TO CONTINUE TO GROW CORPUS CHRISTI IN A WAY THAT IS FAITHFUL TO YOU, THAT IS FAITHFUL TO THE LEAST AMONG US. ISSUES FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO SUSTAINABLE WATER TO GROWING STRONGER INFRASTRUCTURE AS WE SEE IT. AND FOR ALL THE OTHER NEEDS THAT COME THE WAY OF THIS COUNCIL EVERY MONTH. LORD, HEAR OUR PRAYERS FOR ONE ANOTHER AND MAY ALL WE DO BE IN SERVICE TO YOU AND IN LOVE FOR OUR BROTHER AND SISTER. AND WE PRAY THIS IN YOUR NAME, CREATOR GOD, OUR REDEEMER AND SUSTAINER STILL TODAY. AMEN. >> Mayor Guajardo: AMEN. THANK YOU, PASTOR. AND THIS MORNING OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES FLAG AND TO THE TEXAS STATE FLAG WILL BE LED BY JULIAN JOHNSON, A 12th GRADER AT SOUTH TEXAS SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY. HE'S A VALEDICTORIAN AND HE'S A RECIPIENT OF THE ADVANCED PLACEMENT AWARD WITH 12 AP COURSES COMPLETED. >> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] PLEASE JOIN ME IN HONORING THE TEXAS FLAG. [HONORING THE TEXAS FLAG] >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, JULIAN. GOOD LUCK IN YOUR STUDIES. MS. HUERTA, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? [ROLL CALL] >> City Secretary: ERIC CANTU IS NOT HERE. [ROLL CALL] MARK SCOTT IS ABSENT. [ROLL CALL] MAYOR AND COUNCIL, A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL AND THE REQUIRED CHARTER OFFICERS ARE PRESENT TO CONDUCT THE MEETING. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MS. HUERTA. SO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS IS A PLACE OF PUBLIC FORUM, A FORUM FOR CIVIC DISCUSSION FOR DECISION MAKING AND SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE OF CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. IT IS NOT A STAGE FOR PERSONAL ATTACKS DISRUPTIONS OR VULGARITY AND WE WILL NOT VIO TOLERATE VIOLATIONS OF DECORUM. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM DURING ITS DISCUSSION, YOU DON'T NEED TO SIGN UP BEFOREHAND. I WILL ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT WHEN THE COUNCIL CONSIDERS THE ITEM. AT THAT TIME YOU MAY COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND SPEAK AND AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO PLEASE REVIEW THE COUNCIL MEETING RULES OF DECORUM THAT WILL APPEAR ON THE TELEVISION SCREENS. [RULES OF DECORUM] >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. RISLEY. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND THE CITY IN WHICH YOU LIVE BEFORE BEGINNING YOUR COMMENTS. CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES WHILE NON-RESIDENT COMMENTS ARE LIMIT TO ONE MINUTE. A VISIBLE TIMER POSITIONED NEAR THE CITY SECRETARY'S DESK WILL HELP IN MANAGING THAT ALLOTTED TIME. IF YOU HAVE A PETITION OR ANY OTHER RELEVANT INFORMATION THAT YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE THE COUNCIL, PLEASE PRESENT IT TO THE CITY SECRETARY AND SHE WILL FORWARD IT OVER TO US. SO AT THIS TIME WE'LL GO ON TO SECTION F, WHICH IS OUR CITY MANAGER'S COMMENTS AND UPDATE ON CITY OPERATIONS. MR. ZANONI. >> Zanoni: GREAT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT THIS MORNING. I WANT TO BEGIN THOUGH BY INTRODUCING ONE OF OUR NEW TEAM LEADS, ONE OF OUR NEW EXECUTIVES. IN PARTICULAR, WE'LL BE RECOGNIZING THE APPOINTMENT OF DR. ANITA KURIAN, WHO JOINED THE CITY ORGANIZATION BEGINNING HER ROLE AS THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC HEALTH YESTERDAY. YESTERDAY WAS HER FIRST DAY. SHE'S WITH US THIS MORNING. I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON HER AND SHE'LL COME UP TO THE PODIUM TO INTRODUCE HERSELF AS WELL. SO DR. KURIAN, WE'RE REAL EXCITED AND THE TEAMMATES SHE MET WITH YESTERDAY AT THE HEALTH DISTRICT ALSO ARE VERY EXCITED SHE'S HERE. SHE BRINGS 34 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE HEALTHCARE FIELD, INCLUDING 23 YEARS IN PUBLIC HEALTH. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF FOLKS LIKE THIS IN THE COUNTRY. SO 23 YEARS IN PUBLIC HEALTH. MOST RECENTLY SHE SERVED AS THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AND THEN THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR IN SAN ANTONIO FOR THE SAN ANTONIO METROPOLITAN HEALTH DISTRICT AND SHE WAS THERE FOR EIGHT YEARS. THEY TRIED TO KEEP HER THERE BUT DR. KURIAN WANTS TO BE A DIRECTOR OF HEALTH AND ASPIRED TO BE IN THIS ROLE. AND WAS GLAD TO COME HERE. WE THANK SAN ANTONIO FOR ALLOWING HER TO COME HERE TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. IN HER LEADERSHIP ROLE WITH THE HEALTH DISTRICT IN SAN ANTONIO, SHE OVERSAW A TEAM OF 500 PROFESSIONALS. IT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER ORGANIZATION THAN HERE. WITH A POPULATION OF 1.5 MILLION RESIDENTS, BOTH IN THE CITY AND IN BEXAR COUNTY AS WELL. SHE HAS SOME EXTENSIVE CHECK WORK AS WELL, PROFESSIONAL EDUCATION WORK. SHE HAS A BACHELOR OF MEDICINE AND SURGERY. SHE HAS A MASTER'S OF PUBLIC HEALTH FROM RAWLINS SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH AT EMERY UNIVERSITY, A PRESTIGIOUS SCHOOL FOR PUBLIC HEALTH IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA. AND A PhD IN PUBLIC HEALTH FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS HEALTH SCIENCE CENTER IN FORT WORTH. VERY CREDENTIALED WITH 23 YEARS IN PUBLIC HEALTH. YOU'LL SEE IN A MOMENT, BUT SHE IS KNOWN FOR HER SOLUTION-ORIENTED AND DATA-DRIVEN LEADERSHIP APPROACH. FOCUSING NOT JUST ON IMMEDIATE HEALTH CONCERNS BUT ALSO ON LONG-TERM COMMUNITY WELL-BEING. THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE DR. KURIAN TO COME UP AND SHARE A FEW REMARKS. HER SECOND DAY ON THE JOB AND SHE'S EXCITED TO BE HERE TODAY AND EXCITED TO INTRODUCE HERSELF TO THE CITY COUNCIL. >> THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL. LIKE PETER SAID, THIS IS MY SECOND DAY ON THE JOB SO I STILL DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. I'M STILL GETTING MY BEARINGS BUT I AM INCREDIBLY HONORED AND EXCITED TO BE YOUR NEW PUBLIC HEALTH DIRECTOR. AT THE ONSET, I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE MAJOR LEADERSHIP TRANSITION THAT MY DEPARTMENT HERE AND MY TEAM HAS UNDERGONE. SO I'M COMMITTED TO BRINGING BACK SOME CONSISTENCY, SOME CREDIBILITY. BUT ALSO CARE TO HELP BUILD THIS HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO BE A HIGH-FUNCTIONING PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT WHERE OUR STAFF, OUR WORKFORCE, WHICH IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT CAPITAL, ARE EXCITED TO COME TO WORK. COME TO WORK EVERY DAY, DO THEIR JOB, AND SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. LIKE I SAID, THIS IS MY SECOND DAY, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS YET. I WON'T PRESUME THAT I KNOW THE NEEDS OF THIS COMMUNITY JUST YET, BUT I DO BRING A DEEP COMMITMENT TODAY TO LISTEN, TO UNDERSTAND TO THE NEEDS OF THIS COMMUNITY, AND TO CHAMPION ALL THE INITIATIVES THAT OUR CITY MANAGER HAS ALREADY STARTED. MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL IS HEALTH FOR ALL. I'VE HEARD THIS FROM YOU TODAY. I'VE BEEN BRIEFED BY THE CITY MANAGER AS WELL. HEALTH FOR ALL, REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU LIVE, WHAT YOUR ZIP CODE IS. WHETHER YOU LIVE IN THE HEART OF THE CITY OR IN THE MOST RURAL PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY, EVERYBODY DESERVES ACCESS TO CARE AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR BETTER HEALTH OUTCOMES. THE OTHER INITIATIVE THAT CITY MANAGER HAS ALREADY CHAMPIONED -- AND I INTEND TO CARRY FORWARD -- IS TO BE BETTER STEWARDS OF OUR TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS, ESPECIALLY IN THIS CLIMATE OF FISCAL CONSTRAINTS. AND YOU CAN DO THIS BY HAVING A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH. MY ENTIRE CAREER WAS BASED ON COLLABORATIVE APPROACH. I KNOW WE CANNOT BE THAT LONE RANGER DOING EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE AT ALL TIMES. SO I INTEND TO CARRY FORWARD THAT PHILOSOPHY OF MINE, FOSTER NEW PARTNERSHIPS, AND LEARN TO DO MORE WITH LESS, ESPECIALLY, LIKE I SAID, IN THIS CLIMATE THAT WE ARE IN TODAY. AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, INVEST IN OUR WORKFORCE. BUILD OUR MORALE UP, LET THEM BE EXCITED TO COME UP AND TRULY SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. SO I JUST WANT TO END HERE. BEFORE I END HERE, I ALSO WANT TO HAVE A SHOUT OUT TO MY INCREDIBLE TEAM. THEY'RE WATCHING ME. I'M GOING TO GET EMOTIONAL NOW. THEY'RE WATCHING ME, THE INCREDIBLE TEAM BACK IN SAN ANTONIO. ALTHOUGH I HAVE MOVED ON, THEY ARE LOOKING FROM FAR AND CHEERING ME ON. SO, THANK YOU SO MUCH. YES, THEY DID WANT A SHOUT OUT SO I'M GIVING THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY. I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE THREE MOST IMPORTANT MEN IN MY LIFE. MY HUSBAND, MY TWO KIDS. AND I JUST WANT TO END HERE AND SAY I'M EXCITED. MY TEAM AND I ARE EXCITED TO START THIS JOURNEY TOGETHER. THANK YOU FOR THE WARM WELCOME AND LOOKING FORWARD TO MAKING SOMETHING MEANINGFUL HERE. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> Zanoni: GREAT. THANK YOU, DR. KURIAN. WE WANT TO THANK ALSO THIS MORNING OUR PARTNERS AT NUECES COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT. THEY ARE A PARTNER, JUST LAST WEEK, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THEIR PAYMENT TO US OF $1.8 MILLION TO US FOR SERVICES FOR THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SHE'LL VISIT COMMISSIONER'S COURT SOON. THIS DEPARTMENT SERVES NUECES COUNTY AND SOME OF THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES AS WELL. THANK YOU, DOCTOR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE WANT TO ANNOUNCE, AS WE GET CLOSE TO THE HOLIDAY SEASON, THANKSGIVING IS COMING UP AND CHRISTMAS WILL BE HERE SOON AS WELL. THIS YEAR H-E-B IS WILLING TO SPONSOR FREE ADMISSION TO OUR THREE MUSEUMS HERE THAT WE HAVE AT THE CITY AND SO WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT TODAY. THERE WILL BE A MEDIA EVENT LATER ON THIS WEEK AS WELL OUT IN THE COMMUNITY WITH H-E-B. AND SO THIS NEXT ITEM IS TO TALK ABOUT THAT SPONSORSHIP ADMISSION TO CORPUS CHRISTI MUSEUMS BEGINNING NEXT MONTH IN NOVEMBER. LAST YEAR H-E-B SPONSORED FREE ADMISSION FOR THE MONTHS OF NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER TO THE ART MUSEUM OF SOUTH TEXAS, THE CORPUS CHRISTI MUSEUM OF SCIENCE AND HISTORY, AND TEXAS MUSEUM OF ASIAN CULTURES, ALL THREE WHICH HAVE GREAT ATTENDANCE THROUGH THE YEAR BUT THE SPECIAL PROGRAMMING FOR THANKSGIVING AND ESPECIALLY CHRISTMAS THAT DRAWS NOT ONLY LOCALS BUT A LOT OF TOURISTS AS WELL. AND SO THIS IS GREAT NEWS BECAUSE BOTH OUR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS USE THESE MUSEUMS BUT THEY ALSO THEN USE OUR COMMUNITY. THEY GO TO OUR RESTAURANTS. THEY SPEND DOLLARS HERE AND THEY GIVE BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY. THESE MUSEUMS HELP WITH CULTURE AND EDUCATION BUT ALSO, AS I MENTIONED, HAVE AN ECONOMIC IMPACT. SO AS WE KNOW TOURISM IS THE SECOND LARGEST INDUSTRY IN CORPUS CHRISTI AND H-E-B'S SPONSORSHIP WILL DIRECTLY IMPACT THAT LOCAL ECONOMY HERE. SO AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO HAVE BETH DETAMO COME ON UP. THIS IS HER SECOND YEAR OR SO WITH H-E-B. SHE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB WITH PUBLIC AFFAIRS, STAYING IN TOUCH WITH THE ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER. AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HER GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THIS SPONSORSHIP THAT YOU'LL BE HELPING FUND OR FUNDING IN TOTAL FOR THE NEXT TWO MONTHS. >> THANK YOU, PETER. YES. AS PETER MENTIONED. I'M BETH DETOMO. I HAVE THE HONOR OF LEADING OUR GULF COAST REGION IN TERMS OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS AND EXTERNAL AFFAIRS AND EVERYTHING WE DO. I'M GLAD I GOT THE PINK MEMO. THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME IN THE LOOP. THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL INTRODUCTION ON WHAT WE DO WITH H-E-B. I HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS. THIS YEAR WE'RE CELEBRATING 120 YEARS AS A COMPANY. SO NEXT MONTH, FOUNDED BY FLORENCE BUTT WITH JUST $60, WE ARE NOW ALMOST A $50 BILLION PRIVATE COMPANY HERE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. JUST WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL OUR CONTINUED INVESTMENT IN PUTTING FORWARD WHAT WE DO HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. I KNOW I SEE MOST OF YOU OUT AT OUR EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SO YOU KNOW WHAT OUR INVESTMENT HAS BEEN. I KNOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OTHER SLIDES. I DON'T KNOW WHO IS ADVANCING BUT WANTED TO SHARE JUST WHAT OUR COMMUNITY INVESTMENT HAS BEEN. THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED. WE HAVE EIGHT DIFFERENT CONCENTRATIONS OR PILLARS, IF YOU WILL, THAT WE HIGHLIGHT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND THAT WE INVEST IN 5% OF PRETAX EARNINGS. ALL OF THAT COMES RIGHT BACK HERE INTO THE GULF COAST REGION. AS PETER MENTIONED, WE STARTED THIS INITIATIVE LAST YEAR WITH THOSE THREE MUSEUMS. THEY EACH SAW AN INCREASE -- ON THE NEXT SLIDE YOU'LL SEE WHAT THEIR ATTENDANCE WAS LIKE. THEY WERE BIG NUMBERS FOR THEM THAT THEY SAW IN THE MONTHS OF NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER. AGAIN, THEY SHARED BACK THAT DATA WITH US. IT WAS AN INCREASE FROM THAT 2023 NUMBERS AND THEN WE COVERED THE COST OF THOSE ADMISSIONS AND REIMBURSED THE MUSEUMS BACK. THIS YEAR I'M JUST EXCITED TO SHARE WITH YOU, YES, AGAIN, AS PETER MENTIONED -- I'M NOT GOING TO SHARE EVERYTHING BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A PRESS CONFERENCE ON FRIDAY. WHAT WE'RE ADDING THIS YEAR IS THE SOUTH TEXAS BOTANICAL GARDEN. PLUS, IT'S ON THE NEXT SLIDE. FIVE MORE MUSEUMS. SO WE'RE GOING FROM THREE TO NINE THIS YEAR. AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE THE GULF COAST REGION SO WE GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FALFURRIAS AND BAY CITY AND BEYOND. I'M MENTIONING THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ENCOMPASS ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND JUST BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN CORPUS DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU MAY NOT WANT TO GO TO VICTORIA OR MATAGORDA COUNTY AND VICE VERSA. THEY MAY BE WANTING TO COME DOWN HERE. WE WILL BE MARKETING THIS TO THE COMMUNITY AS ONE PACKAGE. WE HAVE A WEBSITE TO SHARE. IT WILL BE ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA. WE'LL HAVE A QR CODE. EACH MUSEUM WILL HAVE POSTERS AND FLIERS TO SHARE. HERE'S THE WEBSITE. WE'LL SHARE MORE INFORMATION WITH EACH OF YOU SO YOU HAVE THAT, ALONG WITH OUR SCHOOLS AND OUR NONPROFITS. BUT WE'RE THRILLED THAT YOU ALL WOULD LET US BE A GRATEFUL PARTNER AGAIN THIS YEAR AND DO THIS IN YOUR COMMUNITY. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SHARING IT WITH YOU THROUGHOUT THE HOLIDAY SEASON WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ON FRIDAY IF YOU CAN BE THERE. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR LETTING ME BE HERE TO SHARE A FEW THINGS. >> Zanoni: BETH, THANK YOU. THAT'S TREMENDOUS. WE'RE ESPECIALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT EXPANSION WHERE WE CAN GO OUTSIDE OF CORPUS CHRISTI AS WELL. THANK YOU, BETH. AND THEN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, JUST ONE MORE THING ON THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT AND I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE MAYOR. LAST WEEK WE HIGHLIGHTED SEVERAL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THAT WERE NOTEWORTHY. WE KNOW TODAY'S COUNCIL MEETING HAS A LOT OF BUSINESS AND WE'LL PROBABLY BE HERE LATE INTO THIS EVENING. I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS TO REMIND US THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD HAPPENING HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI AND SOMETIMES IT GETS LOST IN EVERYTHING ELSE WE'RE WORKING ON. THERE ARE A FEW THINGS ON THE AGENDA, MANY OF THEM HAVE BEEN IN THE YEARS OF MAKING AND GETTING TO THIS POINT TODAY THAT WILL GET THEM GOING TO THE FINAL STAGE. THAT INCLUDES COMMODORE PARK IMPROVEMENTS. THAT IS ON OUR CITY COUNCIL AGENDA TODAY. AND THE ITEM NO. 12 IS THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR PHASE 1 OF COMMODORE PARK IMPROVEMENTS LOCATED ON THE ISLAND IN CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT 4. IF ANYBODY'S BEEN DOWN THERE AND HAS TOURED RECENTLY, IT'S A BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS DONATED TO THE CITY BUT VERY LITTLE ON IT. I RECOGNIZED THIS SIX YEARS AGO WHEN I FIRST BEGAN AS CITY MANAGER. IT'S A GREAT LOCATION AND A GREAT PLACE TO HAVE A PARK FOR THAT COMMUNITY TO BENEFIT FROM. TODAY BEGINS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PARK. WE DID DO A COMPREHENSIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO GET A MASTER PLAN TO KNOW HOW TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT THE PARK. THAT WAS DONE IN THE '23 TIME-FRAME. THAT INCLUDED A SURVEY AND NUMEROUS IN-PERSON MEETINGS ON THE ISLAND WITH COMMUNITY LEADERS. THE PHASE 1 THAT'S ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA TODAY INCLUDES $5 MILLION FROM BOND 2024. SO THE VOTERS APPROVED $5 MILLION FOR THIS PARK IN BOND 2024. AND THERE WAS A MILLION IN BOND 2022 FOR DESIGN. SO SIMILAR -- AS I MENTIONED LAST WEEK, COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ IS A CHAMPION FOR THIS. WE'LL HAVE MORE CERTAINTY IN PRICE AND PUT THE CONSTRUCTION ON A SUBSEQUENT BOND. SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT. COMMODORE PARK CURRENTLY UTILIZES APPROXIMATELY ONLY ONE ACRE OF WHAT IS A 12-ACRE SITE. THE PARK, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS NEXT PICTURE HERE, HAS -- I GUESS IN THE PRIOR PICTURE. YOU CAN SEE THE ONE ACRE HAS A BASKETBALL COURT THAT'S UNCOVERED. AND SO THE PURPOSE OF THE PROJECT IS TO FULLY DEVELOP THE 12-ACRE SITE TO HAVE SOME AESTHETIC CHARACTER. THAT WILL BE COMPLIMENTARY OF WHITECAP. WHITECAP IS ACROSS THE STREET AND WE HAVE ENGAGED THE DEVELOPERS TO ENSURE THE DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE THEME THEY HAVE IN THEIR NEARLY $1 BILLION MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. SO THE SCOPE INCLUDES A PHASED CONSTRUCTION SITE IMPROVEMENTS. THAT WILL INCLUDE A COVERED BASKETBALL PAVILION, A TENNIS COURT, PICKLEBALL COURTS THAT ARE VERY POPULAR TODAY. A FENCED PLAYGROUND AREA, A BIRD OBSERVATION BLIND. A CONCRETE WALKING TRAIL, PICNIC AREA, CONCRETE PARKING LOT WITH GOLF CART PARKING, AND THEN PARK LIGHTING AS WELL. AND SO AS WE FLIP THROUGH THESE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES, YOU'LL SEE THE PICTURES. THAT'S THE ONE ON THE LEFT, THE ONE BASKETBALL COURT THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR MANY YEARS BUT THAT'S IT. WE'LL HAVE A NICE COVERED BASKETBALL COURT AND SOME OTHER AMENITIES AS WELL. PHASE 1 CONSTRUCTION REFLECTS CITY COUNCIL'S AWARD THAT WOULD BE TODAY AND THEN CONSTRUCTION IS ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETE ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW IN AUGUST OF 2026. SO THE COMMUNITY IS REALLY GOING TO ENJOY THIS. A SECOND ITEM ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA IS OUR GABE LOZANO GOLF COURSE. WE'RE DOING SOME IMPROVEMENTS THERE IN THE PARKING LOT. THIS IS ONE OF TWO FULL-SERVICE GOLF COURSES THAT THE CITY HAS WHO IS MANAGED BY FORSYTHE GOLF. IT WAS BUILT IN 1965 AND RENOVATED IN 1983 AND INCLUDES AN 18-HOLE REGULATION COURSE AND A NINE-HOLE EXECUTIVE COURSE KNOWN AS THE FIRE FLY THAT HAS NIGHTTIME LIGHTING. THE PARKING LOT HAS NOT SEEN ANY MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS SINCE 1968. PHASE 1 IS TO CONSTRUCT AND EXPAND THE PARKING LOT WITH A COMPLETION DATE OF OCTOBER -- PHASE 1 WILL BE COMPLETED IN OCTOBER. THAT WILL BE 7,200 SQUARE FEET OF 85 SPACES. WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA IS PHASE 2 AND THAT IS TO FULLY DEMO AND RECONSTRUCT ANOTHER SECTION OF THE PARKING LOT SO THAT THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES. THIS IS A $400,000 PROJECT THAT IS PAID FOR WITH GOLF REVENUES. IT'S NOT A GENERAL FUND PROJECT. NOT A BOND PROGRAM PROJECT. BUT RATHER FORSYTHE IS DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB RUNNING THE GOLF FACILITIES THAT THE CITY SEES A RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND THAT MONEY IS BEING USED IN THIS CASE FOR THE PARKING LOT. SO THAT'S THE SECOND GOOD NEWS ITEM. A THIRD ONE IS OUR SKATEPARK AT BILLISH PARK AND I THINK OUR REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE THAT LED THE DRIVE IN THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE A SKATEPARK THERE ON THE ISLAND. WE KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF YOUNG CHILDREN THERE AND A LOT OF THEM LOVE TO SKATEBOARD AND THE NEAREST PARK IS NOT THERE. THIS WILL BE THE BEGINNING OF THE SKATEPARK AT BILLISH. THERE ARE THREE ADDITIONAL IN THE CITY TODAY, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE. WE HAVE THE WEST GUTH IN CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT 1. WE HAVE ONE IN DISTRICT 4 AND THEN COLE PARK IN CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT 1. THIS WILL BE OUR FOURTH ONE. THE SKATEPARK WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED AS PART OF PHASE 3 OF COMMODORE PARK BUT WE KNOW THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TOO LONG TO TAKE. THROUGH A REDIRECTION OF FUNDS IN OUR TIRZ, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST WEEK, AND THROUGH THE COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS OF OUR ISAC, THEIR RECOMMENDATION WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY, WORKING WITH CITY COUNCIL-APPOINTED COMMITTEES LIKE THE ISAC, WE'RE ABLE TO GET THIS DESIGNED AND BUILT AS WELL SO THE CHILDREN CAN USE IT SOON. THE SCHEDULE INCLUDES THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW SKATEPARK AND IT WILL BE AT THE BILLISH PARK, WHICH IS ANOTHER COLLABORATIVE EFFORT THAT THE CITY HAS WITH THE PADRE ISLAND PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION WHO HELPED MANAGE THAT PARK FOR THE CITY. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE WEST GUTH ONE THAT OPENED ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO AND HAS HAD TREMENDOUS USE. WE'RE GOING TO GET INPUT FROM THE RESIDENTS, FROM THE FAMILIES ON THE ISLAND. THEY WANT SOMETHING LIKE THIS BUT NOT EXACTLY LIKE THIS SO WE'LL TAKE THEIR INPUT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WE DESIGN IT. THAT'S A THIRD GOOD NEWS ITEM. MORE DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR COMMUNITIES, MORE QUALITY OF LIFE AMENITIES. AND THEN THE FOURTH THING, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT -- AND WE'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNCIL. WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF THIS TODAY, BUT THE EVANGELINE WATER PROJECT, I DO THINK THIS IS A HIGHLIGHT ON OUR CITY COUNCIL AGENDA. THIS GROUNDWATER PROJECT HAS BEEN ONE THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR SEVERAL DECADES FROM OUR WATER PLANNERS, FROM OUR LEADERS AND OUR OUTSIDE ENGINEERING FAMILIES OUT THERE. THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE AND FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD WAS STRATEGICALLY PLACED ALONG THE FENCELINE OF THIS BIG RANCH IN THE ANTICIPATION THAT ONE DAY WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET GROUNDWATER FROM THIS SITE. THE EVANGELINE GROUNDWATER PROJECT IS THE PURCHASE OF WATER RIGHTS AND TODAY'S ACTION WILL BEGIN A SIX-MONTH DUE DILIGENCE PROJECT OR PERIOD. A TOTAL OF SIX MONTHS WITH THE SELLER HAS SIX MONTHS TO GET US THE PERMITS FOR TRANSPORT AND DRILLING. THEY ALREADY HAVE THE PRODUCTION PERMIT. THE CITY HAS FOUR MONTHS IN THAT SIX-MONTH TIME-FRAME TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO INCLUDE DESIGN AND ACCESS TO THE RANCH AND THAT TYPE OF THING. IT'S QUITE UNIQUE IN THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP HERE IT'S A LARGE TRACT OF LAND. IT'S PROBABLY THE LAST BIG RANCH OF THIS SIZE IN NEIGHBORING COUNTIES IN EITHER SAN PAT OR NUECES COUNTY. IT'S 22,000 ACRES. WE DO HAVE STEVE YOUNG HERE FROM INTERA, WHO IS A HYDROGEOLOGIST. HE HAS WORKED ON THIS SITE FOR MANY YEARS AND WHAT HE IS GOING TO SHOW IS YOU HAVE HEARD EVANGELINE BUT THE BIGGER AQUIFER IS KNOWN AS THE GULF COAST AQUIFER. THERE IS A DIP IN THAT AQUIFER RIGHT IN THE EVANGELINE PROPERTY WHERE THE WATER QUALITY IS MUCH BETTER THAN MANY OTHER IN NUECES AND SAN PAT COUNTY. IT'S SO SURPRISE THAT THIS AREA HAS BEEN MARKETED FOR WATER BECAUSE THE WATER QUALITY, BY NATURE'S HAPPENSTANCE, IS MUCH BETTER THAN IN OTHER SECTIONS OF THE GULF COAST OR EVANGELINE AQUIFER. SO WE'LL SEE THAT TODAY FROM STEVE YOUNG. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT HAVING HIM HERE TODAY. AS I MENTIONED, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN CONTEMPLATED ABOUT A YEAR AGO WE HAD A DIFFERENT BUSINESS ARRANGEMENT WHERE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A TAKE-OR-PAY CONTRACT. BUT CURRENTLY WHAT'S NOW IN FRONT OF US IS A WATER RIGHTS PURCHASE, WHICH FOR THE LONG RUN, WE HAVE DONE SOME OF THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS ON IT, IS A MUCH BETTER BUSINESS PROPOSITION FOR OUR RATEPAYERS. IT WOULD BE BETTER OVER THE YEARS TO HAVE THESE WATER RIGHTS RATHER THAN BUYING 30-PLUS YEARS OF TAKE-OR-PAY MONEY TO THE RANCH OWNERS. SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT AS WELL. THOSE ARE FOUR GOOD NEWS ITEMS. JUST TO REMIND OURSELVES ABOUT THOSE AND TO REMIND US AGAIN OF ONE OF OUR RADIO PERSONALITIES SAID IT TODAY. THERE'S A LOT GOOD HAPPENING IN CORPUS CHRISTI AND THESE ARE JUST THREE, FOUR EXAMPLES OF THAT. WITH THAT, MAYOR, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU ALL. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, PETER. THOSE ARE GREAT HIGHLIGHTS. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO SECTION L, AND THAT IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANY REQUESTS FROM COUNCIL TO PULL AN ITEM BETWEEN ITEMS 4 THROUGH 15? NO. 7, 11, AND 12. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. IS THERE ANY REQUESTS FROM THE PUBLIC TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ITEMS 4 THROUGH 15? YES SIR? ITEM NO. 10. WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 7, 10, 11, AND 12. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> [CHORUS OF AYES] >> Mayor Guajardo: ANY OPPOSED SAY NO. THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NO. 7 IS A MOTION AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF A ONE-YEAR COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WITH THE DE LA GARZA FENCE COMPANY. WHO PULLED THIS ONE? COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: OKAY. ON THIS ONE, THIS COMPANY THAT WE CONTRACTED WITH IS OUT OF SAN ANTONIO. AND THE OTHER OPTION WAS FROM HOUSTON. THIS MIGHT BE MORE OF A PURCHASING INFORMATION AS TO ARE THERE ANY LOCAL COMPANIES ON BUY BOARD? >> I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK WITH THE TEAM, COUNCILMAN. WHERE THE COMPANIES WERE LOCATED, I WOULD HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. >> Hernandez: IF WE'RE GOING TO GO USE BUYBOARD AND THERE'S NO COMPANIES IN BUYBOARD FROM OUR LOCAL COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLENTY OF LOCAL COMPANIES THAT DO CHAIN LINK FENCING. >> CORRECT. >> Hernandez: IF THEY'RE NOT PARTICIPATING IN BUYBOARD OR ONE OF THE OTHER PURCHASING BOARDS, THEN THERE'S NO CHANCE FOR THEM TO EVER GET A CONTRACT LOCALLY. I WANT TO HAVE -- PETER, IF WE CAN GO BACK AND SEE WHAT LOCAL CONTACTS OR LOCAL COMPANIES ARE ON THESE PURCHASING COOPERATIVES, I GUESS YOU COULD CALL THEM, THERE'S NO WAY FOR A LOCAL COMPANY TO BE ON THOSE IF THEY'RE NOT IN THOSE SYSTEMS. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN IT EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATES ALL LOCAL COMPANIES FROM PARTICIPATING. >> SURE. >> Zanoni: WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT COUNCILMAN. >> ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THE USE OF COOPERATIVE IS TIMING. IN THIS CASE IT MAY HAVE BEEN A TIMING ISSUE VERSUS DOING AN RFP. >> Hernandez: NO, I FULLY GET IT. USING THE PURCHASING COOPERATIVES IS AN EASY PROCESS AND YOU CAN MOVE QUICKER. I GET IT. I'M NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT. BUT IF IT'S GOING TO ELIMINATE LOCAL PARTICIPATION, THEN I HAVE AN ISSUE. BECAUSE WE JUST ELIMINATE THEM WITHOUT THEM EVEN KNOWING IT. >> Zanoni: THAT'S A GOOD ANALYSIS COUNCILMAN. WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT. >> Hernandez: AT THE VERY LEAST, MAYBE THEY HELPED THEM GET ON TO ONE OF THESE COOPERATIVES. >> YES, SIR. >> Hernandez: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NO. 7. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES. AND ITEM NO. 10. MR. KLEIN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT ITEM? THIS IS A MOTION AUTHORIZING THREE CHANGE ORDERS WITH BAY LIMITED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL STREET REBUILD PROGRAM. >> YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR. MY NAME IS JIM KLEIN. I LIVE IN DISTRICT 2 HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI. I HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. AGAIN, JUST LOOKING AT THIS ON THE AGENDA ITEM ITSELF, IT LOOKS LIKE THE COST OVERRUNS ARE SIGNIFICANT. THIS IS A 20% INCREASE OVER THE ORIGINAL COST AND THAT CALLS INTO QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF THE BIDDING PROCESS. I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. BUT I ALSO WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL AGAIN AS WELL AND THE PUBLIC THAT THE CITY STAFF ITSELF HAS TOLD US THAT IN-HOUSE CREWS CAN DO THE SAME SORT OF WORK FOR TWO-THIRDS OF THE COST. I THINK WE NEED TO BE DOING THAT INSTEAD OF CONTRACTING THIS OUT TO PRIVATE CONTRACTORS. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. KLEIN. I'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NO. 10. >> JEFF EDMONDS, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING SERVICES. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED. THESE ARE IDIQ CONTRACTS. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS INCREASING THE CAPACITY ON THESE CONTRACTS SO THAT THE CONTRACTOR CAN KEEP WORKING. THESE ARE CONTRACTS THAT WERE PROCURED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. THEY WERE FOR THE '24 AND '25 PROGRAMS. THEY WERE $18 MILLION EACH. WE, BY LAW, CAN ONLY INCREASE THAT CAPACITY BY 25% WITHOUT REBIDDING. SO PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING FELT THE BEST WAY TO EXPEDITE THIS PROGRAM FOR FISCAL YEAR '26 WAS TO ADD CAPACITY ON THAT CONTRACT. BECAUSE BAY WASN'T SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THIS LATEST ROUND THAT'S FUNDED WITH BOND '$24. THEY AGREED TO HONOR THEIR OLD PRICING ON THIS. OUR ONLY ALTERNATIVE WAS REBIDDING, WHICH WOULD HAVE COST US TIME. THERE'S A RISK WE MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN A CONTRACTOR THAT WASN'T ABLE TO PERFORM AS WELL AS BAY HAS BEEN DOING. AND PRICE COULD HAVE GONE UP. >> Zanoni: THE COSTS HAVE NOT OVERRUN, AS THE SPEAKER SAID. >> Edmonds: NO, THIS IS NOT A COST OVERRUN. THIS IS FOR THEIR FISCAL YEAR '26 PROGRAM. >> Zanoni: WE WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THERE'S NO COST OVERRUN. THIS IS NEW WORK, NEW PROGRAMMING FOR BAY. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 10. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTES. THE MOTION CARRIES. AND ITEM NO. 11 IS A RESOLUTION AWARDING A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT TO MAX UNDERGROUND CONSTRUCTION FOR TROJAN DRIVE TO DELGADO STREET. COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: THE ONLY COMMENT OR I GUESS THE ONLY ISSUE THAT I'M RAISING IS THAT IT WAS WAY UNDER BID. Y'ALL ESTIMATED THAT IT WOULD COST US $63,000 DOWN TO 35. IS THAT -- DID I READ THAT CORRECTLY? >> Edmonds: YOU'RE READING THAT CORRECTLY. THIS WAS A CASE WHERE THE ENGINEER WAS THE HIGH BIDDER. >> Campos: BUT WHY WERE YOU ALL SO OFF? I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S QUITE A LEAP THERE. >> Edmonds: IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY US, IT'S THE CONSULTING ENGINEERS THAT DO THE DESIGN. THEY PROVIDE A COST ESTIMATE AND FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY WERE OFF. BUT IT'S A GOOD THING. THE BIDS CAME IN WELL UNDER BUDGET. YOU WORRY SOMETIMES IF YOU HAVE ONE BID THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S WAY UNDER THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE, YOU HAVE SOME CONCERN. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CASE, WE HAD SEVEN BIDDERS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL UNDERNEATH THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE AND THE GROUPING IS NOT THAT BAD. SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE THAT WE'VE GOT A GOOD BID ON THIS. >> Campos: WHO IS THIS CONSULTANT? I'M SORRY. >> Edmonds: THIS IS A BOND '18 PROJECT AND I THINK THE QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE WHY THE HECK ARE WE JUST NOW BRINGING FORWARD A BOND '18 PROJECT. WE HAD AN ORIGINAL CONSULTANT WE HIRED ON THIS AND WE GOT WAY DOWN THE ROAD AND THEY WENT RADIO SILENT AND THEY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS AND WE HAD TO RESTART FROM SQUARE ONE ON THAT. THAT'S WHY IT'S TAKING SO LONG. >> Campos: YOU DIDN'T ANSWER WHO WAS THE CONSULTANT. >> Edmonds: THE ORIGINAL WAS GOVIN DEVELOPMENT AND WE USED AN MSA WITH FREESE AND NICHOLS. >> Campos: FREESE AND NICHOLS WERE THE ONES WHO OVERESTIMATED THE COST? >> Edmonds: YEAH. THEIR ESTIMATE HERE -- >> Campos: THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT. OKAY. I GUESS THAT WAS THE SAME THING FOR ITEM NO. 12. I MEAN, IT IS A GOOD NEWS. SO YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT COMPANY WERE WE USING. YOU ANSWERED THAT QUESTION. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I GUESS I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN BARRERA. >> Barrera: THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST -- I KNOW I HAD BEEN ENGAGED IN THIS PROJECT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. IN FACT, I KNOW I HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF CALLS BECAUSE I TRY TO MAKE ALL THESE PROMISES FROM 2020. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. HAVE WE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THE SCHOOL? I KNOW THEY HAD CONTACTED ME ABOUT WHEN THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND HOW IS THIS GOING TO TIE IN. THAT'S WHERE THEIR PARKING LOT IS. THAT'S WHERE THEY GET TO ALL THEIR, YOU KNOW, ALL THEIR ACTIVITIES WITH REGARD TO BASKETBALL AND THE FOOTBALL FIELD. >> Edmonds: WE'LL BE SURE WE CLOSELY COORDINATE WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T INTERFERE WITH THEIR ACCESS. >> Barrera: ALL RIGHT. YEAH, JUST SO WE DO THAT. I KNOW THAT THE PRINCIPAL CALLED AND HE HAD EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS. >> Edmonds: I'LL MAKE SURE. >> Barrera: BUT THEY'RE SUPER EXCITED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT'S JUST A LONG TIME BUT I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO BELABOR THAT OTHER THAN JUST SAY THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COMMISSIONERS COURT. >> Campos: I HAD ALSO PULLED NO. 12 BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE SAME COMPANY. ITEM NO. 12, AGAIN WAY UNDER BID? COMMODORE PART. >> THAT WAS TURNER RAMIREZ ARCHITECTS ON THAT ONE. >> Campos: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO PASS BOTH OF THEM. >> [OFF MIC] >> Campos: OKAY. FOR THE NO. 12. >> Mayor Guajardo: 11 AND 12? MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. >> City Secretary: IT SAYS 11, MAYOR, BUT IT'S FOR 11 AND 12. JUST FOR THE RECORD. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NO. 13 IS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS FOR PARTICIPATION IN THE COASTAL BEND PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO SYSTEM. >> Zanoni: REBECCA, I THINK THAT WAS CONSENT, RIGHT? NO. 13? >> Mayor Guajardo: YES, IT WAS. FORGIVE ME. YES. WE'LL MOVE ON TO SECTION K. AND THAT IS PUBLIC HEARINGS. ITEM NO. 16 IS ZONING CASE NO. ZN8548, AL DEVELOPMENT, INC. IN DISTRICT 4. >> EXCUSE ME. MICHAEL DICE, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. TODAY WE HAVE ZONING CASE ZN8548 WITH AL DEVELOPMENT. THIS PROPERTY IS IN DISTRICT 4 LOCATED OFF HOLLY ROAD. CURRENTLY ZONED CN-1 COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THE REQUEST IS TO GO TO CG-2 GENERAL COMMERCIAL. THE PROPERTY IS PLATTED. THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT . SPECIFICALLY STRIP RETAIL PLAZA WITH RESTAURANT, SERVICE USES AND INDOOR REC. THE PROPERTY IS PART OF THE SOUTH SIDE PLAN ADOPTED IN MARCH OF 2020. THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS ZONED CN-1, NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL. TO THE NORTH IS RESIDENTIAL, RM-1 AND RM-6. TO THE SOUTH IS LOW, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL RS-6. TO THE EAST IS LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL RS-6 AND TO THE WEST IS COMMERCIAL MEDIUM DENSITY CN-1 AND RS-6 . AS WITH ALL ZONING CASES, WE MAIL OUT NOTIFICATIONS. 40 NOTICES WERE MAILED INSIDE THE REQUIRED 200-FOOT BUFFER. FOUR NOTICES MAILED OUTSIDE TO SCHOOLS WITHIN ONE MILE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY OF THE BUFFER. ONE WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION STATING I WANT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE FILLED WITH NEIGHBORS AND THEIR HOMES. I DON'T WANT TRAFFIC CONGESTION. ONE NOTICE WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR. NO REASON GIVEN. IT'S A LITTLE WORDY BUT THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT REQUEST IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE SOUTH SIDE AREA DEVELOPMENT PLAN. HOWEVER, IT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THE AMENDMENT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE PRESENT ZONING CONFORMING USES OF NEARBY PROPERTY AND THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT ALLOWS FOR -- THE CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS FOR USES PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT AS DOES THE CG-2. HOWEVER, CG-2 WOULD PREVENT MORE INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO TAKE PLACE. THE PROPERTY REZONED IS NOT SUITABLE FOR THE ZONING DISTRICT. IT WOULD ALLOW CG-2 MID BLOCK AND THAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC IS NORMALLY PROPOSED IN AN ARTERIAL, SAY A YORKTOWN THAN A HOLLY ROAD. PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF RECOMMEND DENIAL TO THE CHANGE TO CG-2. I STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL OF THIS REQUEST FOR THE CG-2. >> CORRECT. >> Paxson: BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF COMMERCIAL THAT THAT WOULD ALLOW AND WITH THE LOW DENSITY AREA, IT DOESN'T COINCIDE WELL. >> PLANNING COMMISSION, COMMENTS, AND STAFF DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO RS-6, THE CG-2 ALLOWS FOR MORE INTENSIVE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, SPECIFICALLY BARS AND TAVERNS. >> Paxson: DO WE HAVE AN INDICATION AS TO WHAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN? >> I'LL LET THE DEVELOPER SPEAK. >> Paxson: THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER. SO CG-2 -- >> City Secretary: WHAT'S YOUR NAME SIR? >> TERESA MORA. THANK YOU. HE HAS ABOUT 25,000 SQUARE FOOT STRIP PLAZA. SO HE WANTS TO MAKE IT MORE LAX WITH CG-2. CG-2 IS ALL AROUND ON HOLLY ON THE INTERSECTION. I WANT TO SAY ALL FOUR PROPERTIES ARE ZONED CG-2 AT HOLLY AND AIRLINE INTERSECTION. IT'S VERY COMMON TO BE ON HOLLY. THIS WILL MAKE IT MORE MARKETABLE FOR THE DEVELOPER AS HE DEVELOPS THIS AND MAKES IT A PROPERTY THAT CAN BRING IN TAX INCOME FOR THE CITY. >> Paxson: I SEE IN THE NOTES -- AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. BUT I SEE THAT THE ACTUAL SURROUNDING DEMOGRAPHIC -- I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF CN-1s, THERE'S RESIDENTIAL. >> WE'VE GOT CG-2 RIGHT NEXT TO THE CN-1. WE HAVE CG-2 AND CG-2 ON THE OTHER SIDE OF AIRLINE AND HOLLY. AND THEN SOUTH OF AIRLINE AND HOLLY. ON THE SAME SIDE WE HAVE CG-2. RIGHT NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL WE HAVE RM-1 AND RM-3. >> Paxson: MR. DICE, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT? BECAUSE THE MAP THAT DISE -- >> I THINK WHAT HE'S REFERENCING IS FURTHER DOWN AIRLINE. IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, THERE'S A SENIOR LIVING FACILITY ACROSS THE STREET. LET ME SEE IF I CAN -- >> Mayor Guajardo: COULD YOU MOVE OVER IN FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? >> I SEE HIM LOADING THE ZONING CASE. THE RED AREAS, THE PROPERTY THAT'S GOING TO BE PROPOSING THE REZONING. IF YOU LOOK ACROSS HOLLY, THAT IS A SENIOR LIVING CENTER. NEXT TO THAT IS APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THEN ACROSS WEST BEND IS MOODY'S MEAT MARKET. WE HAVE ALL OF THE ZONES LISTED IN THE NEXT MAP. IT'S RM-1, AND THEN THE RS-6. THAT'S IN THE CLOSE PROXIMITY. HE'S REFERENCING AIRLINE, WHICH IS FURTHER DOWN, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. >> Paxson: AND I DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE ARE SOME MORE DENSE COMMERCIAL FURTHER OUT. BUT FOR ME, LOOKING THROUGH THE INFORMATION PROVIDED AND HEARING THE FEEDBACK FROM THE AREA, THAT REQUEST IS TOO COMMERCIAL. IT DOESN'T MATCH THAT AREA. SO MY CURIOSITY IS IF THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD MEET THE DEVELOPER'S NEED AND THE CONCERNS OF THOSE RESIDENTS. IF THERE'S ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE REQUEST TO ZONING. >> THE EXISTING CN ALLOWS FOR EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE BARS, TAVERNS, MINI STORAGE. THERE'S ALREADY A USE IN PLACE AND THAT WAS THE REASON FOR OUR DENIAL. IF THEY HAVE FURTHER COMMENT -- >> Paxson: PERHAPS YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT. >> IF YOU PULL UP THAT SLIDE THAT YOU JUST HAD, YOU SEE THE CG-2 STILL IN THE PICTURE THAT'S CROPPED OUT RIGHT THERE IN THE CORNER. THAT'S ACTUALLY THE MINI STORAGE, ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS REFERENCING. RIGHT NEXT TO THAT IS ANOTHER CG-2. ALL AROUND AIRLINE. I WANT TO SAY THIS IS MAYBE A QUARTER OF A MILE FROM OUR PROPERTY. IT'S NOT FURTHER DOWN AIRLINE. IT'S, I THINK, ONE BLOCK AWAY. SO ALL IT DOES IS MAKES IT MORE MARKETABLE. I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S GOING TO BE BARS AND TAVERNS IN THE STRIP CENTER BUT IT ALLOWS MY DEVELOPER TO AT LEAST MARKET THAT AS A POSSIBILITY, HAVING THE 7 AND 10 SUITES AVAILABLE. >> Paxson: I WOULD FEEL LIKE, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS MAP, IT'S ABUTTING SO CLOSELY TO THOSE RESIDENTIAL LOTS. I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THEY WOULD WANT TO PUT THERE THAT DOESN'T MEET UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING PROVISIONS THAT WOULD BE COMFORTABLE TO THOSE ABUTTING PROPERTIES. >> UNDERSTAND. >> Paxson: SO THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN WITH THIS REQUEST IS IT'S ALREADY ZONED FOR SOME COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND SO TO ME, TO ASK TO BROADEN THAT OPPORTUNITY, IT GIVES NO CONFIDENCE TO THESE ABUTTING NEIGHBORS, THESE RESIDENTS, THAT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT, BASICALLY. BASICALLY ASKING FOR THE POSSIBILITY TO PUT THINGS LIKE TAVERNS AND BARS, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. MORE LAX. MORE AMENITIES, MA'AM. >> Paxson: AND THE DEVELOPER IS JUST NOT INTERESTED IN THAT CURRENT ZONING? THAT'S NOT GOING TO MEET THEIR BUSINESS MODEL? >> RELAXING IT TO CG-2 WILL ALLOW THEM TO BE MORE MARKETABLE WHEN THEY DO COME WITH SUITORS OF THESE BUSINESSES, MA'AM. >> Paxson: I'M SOMEONE WHO IS VERY OPEN TO GROWTH AND AMENITIES FOR NEIGHBORHOODS IN AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE THAT THIS MATCHES THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA AND WHAT I THINK THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE -- I DON'T THINK THAT THAT TYPE OF ESTABLISHMENT COMPLEMENTS THAT DISTRICT. AND SO FOR ME, I WOULD LOVE TO CONTINUE, IF THAT DEVELOPER WOULD ENTERTAIN IDEAS FOR COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS THAT MEET THAT CURRENT ZONING, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT ALL DAY LONG. BUT, TO ME, THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF IS MORE IN DEFENSE OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL PREFERENCES THAT ARE THERE CURRENTLY, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THEY RECOMMEND WHAT MEETS THAT PLAN. SO FOR ME, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT REQUEST. BUT THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS. >> YES, MA'AM. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: OKAY. UNFORTUNATELY, I HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS OCCURRED ON YORKTOWN THAT HAS A NIGHTCLUB THAT BRINGS IN BANDS AND LOUD MUSIC. AND THERE'S CONSTANT COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT. I THINK MICHAEL DICE AND THOSE GUYS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M REFERRING TO. BECAUSE THIS WAS ZONED CG BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL. BUT SINCE THEN -- AND THE SIMILAR THING WITH CAR WASHES WHERE IT PROVIDES A LOT OF NOISE FOR THOSE RESIDENTS IN THAT TIME-FRAME. AND BECAUSE CG-2 ALLOWS FOR NIGHTCLUBS AND BAR AND GRILL-TYPE SCENARIOS WHERE YOU DO HAVE NOISE AND LOUD MUSIC LATE INTO THE EVENING, I CAN'T SUPPORT CHANGING THIS TO CG-2. SO I WILL GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FOR PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE STAFF. THANKS. >> YES, SIR. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER HERNANDEZ BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT. ALONG SPID -- AND IT'S KIND OF A QUIET AREA NEAR AIRLINE -- THERE IS AN EVENING CLUB. SPECIFICALLY, IT'S NEAR THE MOVIE THEATER. IT'S LIKE A LOUNGE-TYPE INTO THE NIGHTCLUB. IT'S A CHEETAH'S OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF YOU TALK TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE SEPARATED BY SPID, THAT IS A VERY BROAD ROAD. AND YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE NOISE OF THAT HIGHWAY WOULD BE THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT. BUT NO. IMMEDIATELY PAST THAT HIGHWAY YOU GO INTO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THIS SPECIFIC TOPIC. THEIR ISSUE IS THE SOUND LATE INTO THE NIGHT. THE MUSIC, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND SO MUCH TO COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ'S NOTE, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE A QUARTER OF A MILE DOWN THE ROAD. BUT STILL IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH THAT THOSE TYPES OF ESTABLISHMENTS REALLY DISRUPT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I HOPE THAT THE MESSAGE IS SENT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE INTERESTED IN KEEPING THAT ZONING AND TALKING ABOUT THAT. IT'S JUST THE ENVIRONMENT THAT OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS WOULD CREATE. THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'RE NOT REALLY IN FAVOR OF HERE. >> UNDERSTAND, MA'AM. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON ITEM NO. 16? OKAY. THERE BEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NO. 16. AS PRESENTED. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTES. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. >> City Secretary: SORRY. I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO TYPE THAT. BUT, FOR THE RECORD, IT IS APPROVING THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO DENY. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, REBECCA. ITEM NO. 17 IS ZONING CASE NO. ZN8622, JOHN THOMPKINS IN DISTRICT 4. >> MIKE DICE, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. TODAY WE HAVE ZN8622 WITH JOHN TOMKINS. THIS IS OUT ON THE ISLAND IN D4. THE CURRENT ZONING IS RM-AD/IO, MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT TOURIST. THE REQUEST IS TO ADD A PUD TO THIS. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS .29 ACRES AND IS PLATTED. ACTUALLY, IT'S IN THE PROCESS OF REPLATTING. THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR MIXED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS CONSISTENT -- WILL CONSIST OF FOUR TOWNHOMES, ONE SINGLE FAMILY, ONE COMMON OF FOUR TOWNHOMES, TO ALLOW FOR VEHICLE MOVEMENT, PARKING, UTILITIES AND AMENITIES, SIMILAR TO OTHER DEVELOPMENTS OUT IN THAT AREA. THE NORTH BEING THE SAME TYPE ZONING, THE SOUTH IS THE SAME TYPE ZONING WITH A PUD OVERLAY, THE EAST IS THE SAME TYPE ZONING WITH A PUD OVERLAY AND THE WEST IS THE SAME TYPE ZONES CURRENTLY. 44 NOTICES WERE MAILED INSIDE THE REQUIRED 200-FOOT BUFFER WITH ZERO MAILED OUTSIDE. ONE NOTICE WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION, THEY AGREE WITH THE CURRENT ZONING. 12 IN FAVOR ALL FROM THE VAIM PERSON, AND THAT'S -- SAME PERSON, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE FAR RIGHT, THOSE 12. THIS IS A SITE PLAN OF THE PROPERTY. IT PROPOSES HABITAT TOWNHOMES ON LOTS 2 THROUGH 5. THAT'S FIRST ONES IN THE UPPER LEFT. THOSE WILL RANGE FROM 900 TO 930 SQUARE FOOT LOT AREA WHICH WILL DEVIATE FROM THE STANDARD UDC TOWNHOME OF 2600 SQUARE FEET. THE TOWNHOMES, THE MINIMUM OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT WILL ALSO DEVIATE FROM 30% OPEN SPACE TO 25. LOT 6 IS TO BE DEVELOPED AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. THE LOT IS SET TO BE 1184 SQUARE FEET. THE DEVIATION ON THAT IS FROM 5,000 SQUARE FEET. ADDITIONALLY, LOT 6 DEVIATES FROM THE STANDARD UDC MINIMUM WIDTH TO BE PROPOSED AT 32 FEET INSTEAD OF THE 50. AS WITH ANY TYPE OF THESE PROPOSALS, WE CONFER WITH CCFD, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS OKAY WITH THE CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT, MAINTAINS THE 20-FOOT MINIMUM FIRE ACCESS ROAD WIDTH AND NO PARKING WILL BE ALLOWED IN THAT ACCESS LANE. PROPOSED REZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WHILE NOT NECESSARILY CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE GUIDING DOCUMENTS. IF APPROVED IT WILL BE COME PAT BLG WITH THE PRESENT ZONING AND BASICALLY EVERYTHING IN THE AREA, AS THE SURROUNDING CONNECTED PROPERTIES HAVE REZONED TO THE RM-AT/IO AROUND THE PUD. PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, BUT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 17. OKAY, THERE BEING NO ONE, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NUMBER 18 IS A MOTION AUTHORIZING CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE TO EXECUTE A DEFERMENT AGREEMENT WITH SOLID ROCK COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, LTD. >> Dice: MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MIKE DICE AGAIN. IT'S THE MIKE DICE SHOW TODAY. THESE ARE ALLOWED THROUGH THE UNIFORMED DEVELOPMENT CODE TO HELP FACILITATE DEVELOPERS IN NEED WHERE THEY HAVE CERTAIN RESTRICTION OR A PROBLEM. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THIS DEFERMENT AGREEMENT IS FOR SOLID ROCK COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THEY'RE CONSTRUCTING IMPROVEMENTS KNOWN AS THE SOLID ROCK INDUSTRIAL PARK. YOU'LL SEE ON THE LOCATION MAP, THIS IS OVER OFF OF OLD BROWNSVILLE RODEO AND PHASE 1 OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS IN THE SHADED AREA. SO THE COST ESTIMATE OF WHAT'S BEING BEFERRED, THIS IS SEWER AND STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE HAD TO BE DELAYED DUE TO AN ONGOING CITY PROJECT THAT IS CURRENTLY WRAPPING UP. THE DEFERMENT AGREEMENT ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER TO GET PLAT RECORDED AND GET THOSE LOTS SOLD WHILE THEY IS BEING FINISHED UP. SO THE DEVELOPER WILL STILL CONSTRUCT THESE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE DEVELOPER EXPENSE, BUT THE REQUIREMENTS TO BE DONE DURING THE PLATTING STAGE IS ACTUALLY BEING PUSHED TO THE BUILDING PERMIT STAGE. THE DEVELOPER WILL PROVIDE FULL WARRANTIES ON ALL -- AS NORMAL, AS ALL WORK IS BEING DONE. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE OPTIONS THE CITY MAY SEEK IF THE DEVELOPER DEFAULTS ON THE DEFERRED IMPROVEMENTS, AGAIN BY PUSHING TO THE BUILDING PERMIT PHASE, THEY HAVE TO BE IN PLACE PRIOR TO BUILDING PERMIT APPROVAL. THAT'S REALLY THE KEY HOLDER TO THAT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE DEFERMENT AGREEMENT AND THE REQUEST SUBMITTED IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE UDC SECTION 8.1 AND 3.30. I STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 18? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS JIM KLEIN, AGAIN FROM DISTRICT 2. I JUST HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, AND YOU FOLKS MAY HAVE INFORMATION THAT I'M NOT -- THAT I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT SORT OF A PROJECT THIS IS. INDUSTRIAL PARK, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS EXACTLY, WHAT SORT OF ACTIVITIES ARE GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE OUT THERE, THAT WOULD SERIOUSLY INFLUENCE WHETHER I WOULD SUPPORT THIS OR NOT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. KLEIN. >> I'LL FURTHER CLARIFY, INDUSTRIAL PARK IS MORE WAREHOUSES. IT'S TWO- AND THREE-ACRE LOTS WITH WAREHOUSES, IT FET FITS WITH WHAT'S IN THE AREA AS WELL. IT'S NOT A MANUFACTURING TYPE REQUEST. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I'M SORRY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. THE MOTION CARRIES. ITEM NUMBER 19 IS THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE REUSE OF CITY PARKLAND FOR THE CIVITAN SERVICE CENTER TO BE LOCATED IN SACKY PARK. >> MAYOR, MY NAME IS JUAN, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF ASSET MANAGEMENT. I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE EXPANSION OF CIVITAN SERVICE CENTER ON SACKY PARK. TOPICS OF DISCUSSION FOR TODAY, SERVICE ENTER SACKY PARK, CHALLENGES AND THE MASTER PLAN AND REDISTRIBUTION OF PUBLIC LAND. SO THE SERVICE CENTER IS THE INDUSTRIAL MAIN HUB FOR THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. THAT CENTER IS COMPRISED OF 85 ACRES AND VARIOUS OPERATIONS THAT INCLUDE ANIMAL CARE FACILITY AND MAINTENANCE, FLEET MAINTENANCE, PARK AND RECREATION POLICE PUBLIC WORKS, SOLID WASTE, STREETS AND WATER UTILITIES. THE SERVICE CENTER IS LARGELY USED FOR NOT ONLY DAILY OPERATIONS BUT ALSO FOR THE STORAGE OF DIRT, GRAVEL, CRUSHED LIMESTONE, CITY VEHICLES, HEAVY MACHINERY AND MUCH, MUCH MORE, ALL WORTH MILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS. SACKY PARK IS LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE CIVITAN SERVICE CENTER. THE CITY PARK IS COME PRIESESSED OF 7 ACRES OF MIXED PARK SPACE. THE NRPI CONSIDERS 5 ACRES TO BE THE MINIMUM FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, SO OUR REQUEST TODAY IS TO TAKE OVER 1.5 ACRES, LEAVING 5.5 ACRES OF THAT PARK STILL READILY AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC USAGE, STILL CLASSIFYING THAT PARK AS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. 2 MILES FROM SACKY PARK, YOU HAVE TWO OTHER PARKS, YOU HAVE BOTSFORD PARK WHICH IS FOOTBALL FIELDS AND GREENSPACE AND YOU HAVE ALMANZA PARK WHICH HAS SWING SETS AND BASKETBALL COURTS. THE PARK ALSO SITS 5 MILES AWAY FROM COLE PARK AND 8.2 MILES AWAY FROM BILL WITT PARK. WITH PARKS, USING PLACE HOLDER AI, WE CONDUCTED A SURVEY OF ACTUAL PARK USAGE AND OF LAST YEAR WE HAD 10K VISITORS TO THAT PARK. PLACER AI DID PLACE THE USES OF THAT PARK AND THE AMENITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE. IN 2017, THE COUNCIL DID APPROVE FOR AN INVESTMENT TO HAPPEN AT SACKY PARK WHICH WAS THE NEW PARK EQUIPMENT THAT WAS PLACED THERE, AND THAT'S MAINLY WHERE MOST OF THE USAGE OF THAT PARK IS TAKING PLACE. SO WITH THE PARK TAKEOVER, WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE MOST OF THOSE AMENITIES INTACT AND STILL IN PLACE. SO THIS IS OUR PROPOSAL. RED BORDER IS THE FENCE THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO PUT AS PART OF THE ENCLAVE PROJECT, WHICH IS A COUNCIL APPROVED CIP PROJECT, AND THE YELLOW BORDER REPRESENTS THE REMAINING PORTION OF SACKY PARK, THE 5.5 ACRES. THE AMENITIES THAT WILL REMAIN IN THOSE 5.5 ACRES INCLUDE A BASKETBALL COURT, THE PLAYGROUND, THE BACK AND THE PUBLIC ART THAT'S IN THE CORNER OF RE RYKER STREET AND SACKY DRIVE. IN ADDITION, WE WILL BE RELOCATING A BENCH, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE RELOCATION OF THAT BENCH INTO THE 5.5, AND PARKS IS LOOKING TO ADD ADDITIONAL BENCHES INSIDE THAT PARK. SO LET ME PROVIDE YOU WITH THE REASONINGS BEHIND WHY WE ARE PROPOSING THIS CHANGE. SO IN CONJUNCTION WITH CCPD, WE REQUESTED DATA FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS. IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS THERE'S BEEN A COMBINED OF 34 INCIDENTS OF CRIMES AGAINST PEOPLE, CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY AND VANDALISM IN AND AROUND SACKY PARK AND THE CIVITAN SERVICE CENTER. IN ADDITION TO THIS, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HAS GROWN EXPONENTIALLY AT ABOUT 42% SINCE FISCAL YEAR 2020. AS A RESULT, WE HAVE NOT KEPT UP WITH THAT GROWTH IN TERMS OF EMPLOYEE ACCOMMODATIONS IN THAT AREA, SO IF YOU DRIVE AT ANY GIVEN TIME RIGHT NOW TO SACKY PARK, MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE PARKING ON GRASS, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY JUMPING CURB JUST TO GET TO WORK, SO WE'RE NOT PROVIDING A GOOD WORK ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GROWTH OVER AT PUBLIC WORKS. THE OTHER PART IS THAT FLEET MAINTENANCE USUALLY HAS 167 VEHICLES AT ANY GIVEN TIME GETTING SERVICES THERE AT THE FLEET FACILITY. AT ITS HIGHEST PEAK, WE'RE CLOSE TO 200. THE CURRENT TRAFFIC PATTERN IS UNSAFE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, IT'S UNSAFE FOR THE DRIVERS, AND RIGHT NOW THAT PARKING AREA IS VERY, VERY DETERIORATED. WE'RE LOOKING TO REPURPOSE SOME OF THAT LAND FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACE AND ADDITIONAL AREA TO PARK VEHICLES THAT ARE STILL IN SERVICE. ADDITIONALLY, PARKS AND RECS DOES NOT HAVE AN AREA FOR LAY DOWN, MEANING THEY DON'T HAVE AN AREA TO PLACE ALL THEIR MATERIAL MULCH GRAVEL CRUSHED GRANITE THAT THEY NEED ON A DAILY BASIS TO RESPOND TO EMERGENCIES OR TO REFURBISH PARK AREAS. AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING WHEN WE REPURPOSE THIS LAND, IF YOU LOOK UP NORTH, PUBLIC WORKS IS LOOKING TO EXPAND THEIR PARKING AREA, SO THEY'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND REGRADE AND CREATE A PARKING AREA FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES UP NORTH. ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THIS PARK REDISTRIBUTION, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN EXPANSION OF FLEET OPERATIONS IN TERMS OF PARKING AND MANEUVERING FOR THE VEHICLES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING SERVICED IN THAT AREA, AND YOU'LL ALSO HAVE A PORTION THERE THAT'S FOR PARKLAND -- FOR PARKS AND RECS LAYDOWN YARD. SO PENDING ANY QUESTIONS, THE STAFF DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THIS MOTION. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ? >> Hernandez: OKAY. YOU DIDN'T -- YOU SAID ADDITIONAL PARKING. THERE WILL BE ACCESS TO THAT PARKING FROM SACKY DRIVE? >> SIR, NO. SO WITH THE ENCLAVE PROJECT, WE'RE LOOKING TO SECURE THE INDUSTRIAL HUB FOR THE CITY, SO THAT PARKING LOT WILL NOT BE ACCESSIBLE TO ANYONE OTHER THAN PUBLIC WORKS AND EVERYONE WORKING INSIDE THE AREA. >> Hernandez: WELL, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IS THERE A DRIVEWAY COMING IN FROM SACKY DRIVE? BECAUSE CURRENTLY, THERE'S NOT. >> NO, SIR. >> Hernandez: SO IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE ACCESSED FROM -- >> THEY WILL BE COMING IN FROM AYERS. SO PART OF THE ENCLAVE PROJECT, THERE'S A FENCE THAT LEADS INSIDE THE PUBLIC WORKS AREA, SO THE ONLY DRIVE-IN TO THAT PARKING AREA WILL BE THROUGH THE CURRENT AVENUE OF APPROVE ON AYERS DRIVE. >> Hernandez: SO CIVITAN AND HYGIA. >> YES. >> Hernandez: SO THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTY THAT'S CLOSE TO HYGIA AND IN BETWEEN WHERE THE PARKS AND RECREATION, I GUESS, PARKING LOT IS, AND WHERE THE NEW PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING IS. WHAT -- WHAT'S THE PLAN THERE? > IT MIGHT G GOOD TO PUT UP THE MAP. . >> SORRY, ERNIE DE LA GARZA, INTERIM CITY MANAGER, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR, THERE IS AN ACCESS THAT'S PLANNED ON THE NORTH AS PART OF THE FUTURE PROJECT. YOU CAN SEE THAT. ON THE PINK, AND SO THAT'S INTENDED FOR PUBLIC. SO WHEN THEY COME GET THEIR RIGHT OF WAY PERMITS, PUBLIC WILL COME AND USE THAT PARKING. AND THE EXPANDED AREA WILL BE OFF TO THE RIGHT. SO THERE WILL BE A PLANNED ACCESS OFF OF SACKY JUST FOR THE PUBLIC. SO THAT'S THE ARCHITECTURAL LAYOUT THERE. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE BUILDING IS IN BLACK, THE EXISTING BUILDING TO THE LEFT IS THAT WHITE ONE. THAT'S THE CURRENT FACILITY FOR PUBLIC WORKS. AND THEN THE ONE IN BLACK IS THE ONE THAT'S PROPOSED AS PART OF THE MASTER PLAN. THE ONE -- THE SMALLER ONE IN WHITE, IT CAN WITHSTAND UP TO A CATEGORY 3, I BELIEVE. AND THEN THE FUTURE ONE IS PLANNED TO WITHSTAND A CATEGORY 4, AND SO IN THE EVENT OF EMERGENCY OPERATIONS, PUBLIC WORKS STAFF WILL SHELTER IN PLACE DURING A MAJOR STORM EVENT, AND THEN STAGE THEIR DARE IMMOBILIZE FROM THERE IN THE FUTURE, RATHER THAN GOING TO ONE OF THE EMERGENCY CENTERS, EITHER IN CALALLEN OR TULOSO. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SIR? >> Hernandez: YEAH, I THINK SO. THERE'S SEVERAL BUILDINGS HERE THAT -- I GUESS THERE'S THREE NEW BUILDINGS? >> ALL RIGHT. THE ONE THAT IS PLANNED IS THE ONE CLOSEST TO THE PARKING LOT. THE BIGGER, BLACK ONE, IS A LONG-TERM STORAGE -- OR NOT S STORAGE, BUT ALMOST LIKE A WAREHOUSE, SO THAT ONE IS NOT ON THE PLAN CURRENTLY. IT'S PART OF THE DRAWING, BUT NOWHERE ON THE CIP FOR RIGHT NOW. BUT AS FAR AS THE PARKING LOT, TO THE LEFT, IT'S NOT SHOWN HERE, BUT TO THE LEFT OF THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING IS ALSO SOLID WASTE. SO CURRENTLY WE SHARE PARKING WITH SOLID WASTE AND THEIR EMPLOYEES AS WELL. AND SO THERE IS ABOUT 300 EMPLOYEES FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, THEY ARE STAGING FROM THAT LOW CARE, AND THEN, OF COURSE, ALL OF SOLID WASTAGE JAY SENT TO US. >> Hernandez: OKAY. PETER, I THINK WE NEED A BRIEFING FOR COUNCIL AS TO WHAT THE OVERALL PLAN FOR THAT AREA. >> Zanoni: OKAY. >> Hernandez: BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF SOME NEW INFORMATION THAT -- >> Zanoni: WE CAN DO THAT, COUNCILMAN. >> Hernandez: JUST HAVE A BIT OF A PLAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF COST ASSOCIATED WITH ALL THIS. >> Zanoni: YEAH. >> Hernandez: I ASSUME IT'S GOING TO BE PHASED IN OVERTIME, BUT I WANT TO HAVE A GOOD OVERVIEW OF THE ENTIRE PLAN. . >> Zanoni: YEAH, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ASSET OF THE CITY, AND IT'S UNDERDEVELOPED, HAS A LOT OF OLD INFRASTRUCTURE ON THERE, BUT A LOT OF OUR EMPLOYEES CHECK IN AND CHECK OUT EVERY DAY FROM THIS SITE, SO THE PROJECT HERE IN FRONT OF COUNCIL IS TO FIRST SECURE THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF EQUIPMENT THAT ARE EXPOSED AND HAVE BECOME VICTIM TO VANDAL AND THEFTS, THINGS LIKE CATALYTIC CONVERTERS AND SO ON. STEP 1 IS TO FENCE IN THE PROPERTY, SECURING THE TAXPAYERS' ASSETS, AND STEP 1 WAS TO RECONFIGURE HOW THE COMPLEX HAD BEEN SET UP. NOBODY REALLY MANAGED IT. SO ASSET MANAGEMENT HAS TAKEN IT OVER IN TERMS OF KIND OF A LANDLORD, MANAGING WHO GOES WHERE, MANAGING CLEANLINESS, THAT TYPE OF THING. ALL THAT TO SAY, WE'LL SHOW YOU THE PLANS TO IMPROVE THIS VERY IMPORTANT WORK SITE FOR THE CITY. THIS IS WHERE OUR PUBLIC WORKS, PARKS, OUR HEAVY FLEET IS MAINTAIN AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS, SOLID WASTE, SO WE'LL BE GLAD TO SHOW YOU THAT. >> Hernandez: THE REASON I ASKED IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN ACCESS FROM SACKY, THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES ON THAT SIDE. >> Zanoni: YEAH, WE DON'T WANT TO GO ON THAT SIDE. THAT WHOLE SIDE WILL BE FENCED IN FOR SAFETY, FOR THE HOMES, PLUS THE SMALL PARK THAT IS THERE. WE DON'T WANT TO ADD TRAFFIC. >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO THAT IS ONLY FOR. >> RIGHT OF WAY PERMITS. >> Hernandez: VISITOR OR PUBLIC TRAFFIC TO COME IN, NOT FOR OUR NORMAL -- >> Zanoni: RIGHT. CORRECT. >> Hernandez: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> Zanoni: UH-HUH. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'M GOING TO GOI AHEAD AND OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 19? OKAY. THERE BEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO MOVE UP ITEM NUMBER 26, THAT IS THE HYDROGEOLOLINGS ANALYSIS AND MODELING FOR THE NUECES GROUNDWATER PROJECT AND THE EVANGELINE GROUNDWATER PROJECT BY INTERA. AFTER WHICH HEAR THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE ITEMS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS STUDY. >> P. >> Winkelmann: GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. NICK WINKELMANN, INTERIM CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER OF CORPUS CHRISTI WATER. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE STEVE YOUNG, HE IS A PH.D., PROFESSIONAL GEOLOGIST AND PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, STEVE IS WORKING ALONGSIDE THE TEAM FOR BOTH THE NUECES GROUN GROUND WATER PROGRAM AND ALSO THE EVANGELINE GROUNDWATER PROJECT. SO WITH THAT, I'LL INTRODUCE STEVE AND HAVE HIM GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. THANKS FOR BEING HERE, STEVE. >> Zanoni: AND MAYOR, WHILE STEVE'S COMING UP, WE DID HAND OUT THE FINALIZED POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. THAT'S THE THICKER ONE. WHAT WE DID IS WE WANT TO -- WE HAVE THIS FOR YOU AS WELL. IT'S LIKE A PLACE MAT. AS STEVE GOES THROUGH HIS PRESENTATION UNDERSTANDING THE AQUIFER IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT. AND IT'S IN ONE OF THE SLIDES, BUT AS YOU ADVANCE, YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO REFER BACK TO THIS. SO THIS IS A REAL GOOD DEMONSTRATION OF THE AQUIFER. STEVE'S GOING TO BE TALKED ABOUT THE WATER THAT'S BEEN TRAPPED THERE FOR MILLIONS OF YEARS. IT'S NOT A RECHARGED AQUIFER FROM RAIN EVENTS, AT LEAST IT TAKES YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS FOR THE RAIN TO TRICKLE BACK IN. BUT HE'LL GO OVER THAT. BUT THIS IS JUST A GOOD, USEFUL TOOL TO HAVE TO YOUR SIDE AS YOU GO THROUGH THE POWER POINT PRESENTATION. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, PETER. >> Zanoni: STEVE, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> GOOD DAY. I'M, AGAIN, STEVE YOUNG. I'M FROM AUSTIN, TEXAS, WITH A COMPANY CALLED INTERA. THE OUTLINE HAS BEEN DESIGNED TO PROVIDE SOME GENERAL INFORMATION ON THE GULF COAST AQUIFER TO SET THE STAGE TO DEVELOP A CONCEPTUAL FLOW MODEL FOR THE GULF COAST AQUIFER IN PARTICULAR AND SAN PAT AND NUECES COUNTY. THAT WOULD THEN BUILD INTO A GROUNDWATER FLOW MODEL WHICH ALLOWS US TO PREDICT IMPACTS OF PUMPING, AND THEN AT THE END WE'LL COVER SOME OF THE PREDICTIONS. OKAY. SO EARLY ON, I WILL BE GETTING A LITTLE TECHNICAL. I'M SORT OF A SCIENTIST, BUT I'M GOING TO TRY TO SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE KEY INFORMATION TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM. SO ON THE RIGHT-HAND -- MY LEFT-HAND SIDE, THE GULF COAST AQUIFER COVERS COAST TO COAST OF TEXAS BUT IT'S DIVIDED INTO THREE MAIN MANAGEMENT ZONES. IT'S DIVIDED IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH GROUNDWATER THERE IS AND HOW IT'S BEING USED. AND WHAT THEY ALL THREE -- RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN MANAGEMENT 16. AND TO THE NORTH OF US IS 15, AND NORTH OF THAT IS 14. THERE'S PROBABLY ON AVERAGE ABOUT 10 GCDS, GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICTS THAT REGULATE GROUNDWATER, AND THAT WILL BE COMING UP. NUECES COUNTY, AS YOU'RE AWARE, DOESN'T HAVE ONE AT THIS POINT, WHEREAS SAN PAT DOES. THEY ALL HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON THROUGH THE GULF COAST IS THAT GENERAL FLOW PICTURE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, YOU HAVE -- AND THE BASE AT THE GULF COAST, YOU HAVE A LOT OF SALINE WATER. IT'S OLDER WATER, IT'S BEEN IN CONTACT A LOT WITH MINERALS, IT'S GOTTEN MINERALIZED. A LOT OF IT'S SALTIER THAN SALT WATER IN THE OCEAN. WHAT YOU HAVE ABOUT 150 MILES BACK COMING RECHARGING, IT'S STARTING TO FLOW INTO THE SYSTEM, IT'S DISPLACING AND CREATING A SORT OF A FLOW CYCLE, AND IT'S REGIONAL FLOW. THAT WATER MAY TAKE ABOUT 100,000 YEARS TO REACH THE COAST. THEN YOU -- ON TOP OF THAT, YOU HAVE SMALLER FLOW CYCLES THAT ARE REALLY GOING TO THE RIVERS. BUT THIS GENERAL -- AS WE TALK ABOUT IT, THIS ISN'T ONE CONTINUOUS, YOU KNOW, BLOCK OF SAND, THERE'S ACTUALLY VARIED DIFFERENCES AND IT'S CONTROLLED A LOT BY THE INDIVIDUAL AQUIFERS. THAT'S THE NEXT SLIDE. I'M GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE TIME ON THIS. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT SLIDE. THE GULF COAST HAS FORMED OVER MILLIONS OF YEARS. AND IT'S CHANGED IN ITS COMPOSITION AND THE OT OCEAN LEVEL CHANGES, AS RECHARGE RATES CHANGE, AS WHERE THE SEDIMENT COMES FROM. AND YOU HAVE FOUR MAIN AQUIFERS THEY REFER TO, AND THAT'S ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE ON THE TABLE. YOU HAVE THE CHICO AND EVANGELINE, THOSE ARE TWO SHALLOW AQUIFERS THAT WE'RE MOST INTERESTED IN, AND THEN YOU HAVE A CLAY COMBINING LAYER CALLED THE BURKEVILLE AND THE JASPER. THE SHALLOWEST ONE IS THE CHICOT, WHICH IS PINK. AND THAT'S AT THE COAST, MAYBE 1,000 FEET. WHEREAS THE BURKEVILLE -- EXCUSE ME, WHERE THE EVANGELINE IS YELLOW, AND IT'S A COUPLE THOUSAND FEET THICK. THEY HAVE DIFFERENT UNITS OF SAND AND CLAY AT DIFFERENT PERIODS OF TIME. AND THEY HAVE BEEN CATEGORIZED OF HOW THEY MOVE GROUNDWATER AND HOW THEY DEPEND VERTICAL FLOW OF GROUNDWATER INTO FORMATIONS. WE'RE GOING TO USE THESE FORMATION BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT WHERE WE PUMP AND WHERE WE MONITOR WATER. IN THE CHICOT WE HAVE FOUR MORE MATIONS, BOWMENT, LISSIE AND WILLIS. IT'S ALPHABETICAL ON THE SHALLOWEST ONE. THE LISSIE IS THE MOST PROMINENT UNIT. IT PROBABLY ACCOUNTS FOR ABOUT 60% OF THE FLOW. UNDERNEATH IT, THAT EVANGELINE IS A VERY BIG AQUIFER, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE REALLY LOOKING AT THAT VERY UPPER FORMATION CALLED THE UPPER GOLIAD. TYPICALLY, THE WELLFIELD YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT THE WILLIS AND UPPER GOLIAD. THEY'RE TARGETED TO THESE ZONES WHERE THE SANS ARE. OKAY? THE OTHER ASPECT THAT REALLY MAKES THESE -- THE GULF COAST DIFFERENT FROM NORTH TO SOUTH IS RECHARGE. HERE IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION, YOU GET ABILITY 1/10 THE RECHARGE. THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S PERCOLATING THROUGH THE GROUND AND REACHES UP TO THE WATER TABLE. THAT FORMS THAT SORT OF PRESSUREHEAD THAT DRIVES WATER THROUGH THE GULF COAST. IT'S ABOUT 1/10. THAT MEANS YOUR WATER WOULD BE MOVING A LITTLE BIT SLOWER, IT'S -- AND THE SHALLOW WATER GETS IN CONTACT LONGER WITH THE SEDIMENT, SO IT GETS SALTIER. SO YOU HAVE A TENDENCY TO HAVE HIGHER TDS, THAT'S THE AMOUNT OF SALTS, TOTAL DISSOLVED SOLIDS IN YOUR WATER. ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE IS AN EARLIER MAP, WE DID SHOWING WHERE THE FRESH WATER ZONES ARE IN THAT SHALLOW AQUIFER CALLED CHICOT. I WANT TO POINT OUT THE DARK BLUE IS REALLY WHERE YOU HAVE A HYPERS OF FRESH WATER, THE LIGHT BLUE, WE HAVE THE LESS. AND YOU REALLY HAVE LESS THAN 20% OF THE CHICOT IS FRESH WATER. I WANT TO POINT OUT IN THERE, THAT DARK BLUE, THE FARTHEST SOUTH IT GOES, IT JUST HITS THE TIP OF SAN PAT. SAN PAT COUNTY. AND IT COVERS THE AREA WHERE THE EVANGELINE LAGUNA PROJECT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS. BUT YOU'VE GOT THIS, THIS IS THE GENERAL SETUP THAT WE HAVE. BACK IN 2013, INTERA DID SOME WORK WITH FREESE & NICHOLS EARLY ON, WE WERE HERE FOR A COUPLE MONTHS, LOOKING AT GROUNDWATER RESOURCES. AT THAT TIME, THEY WERE LOOKING AT COMBINING GROUNDWATER RESOURCES WITH SALT WATER DESAL. WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU HERE IS, AGAIN ANOTHER CONCEPTUALIZATION, KIND OF ZOOMED IN ON THE TWO COUNTIES OF SANDS. SANDS ARE THE PRIMARY ISSUES -- THE TRANSPORT VEHICLE OF WATER AND GROUNDWATER, AND WE'RE SHOWING THE THICKNESS OF THE SANDS THAT CONTAIN SALINE WATER ABOVE 3,000 TDS. WHAT YOU WANT TO CAPTURE HERE IS THAT 0 FEET MEANS -- YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SEE THAT WHOLE AREA NEAR THE BAY, THERE'S REALLY NOT -- ALL THE WATER'S VERY SALTY. THERE'S NOT ANY GOOD WATER YOU CAN HAVE. TO GET TO THE GOOD WATER AND THICKNESS, YOU HAVE TO GO NORTH. YOU CAN SEE UP IN THAT CORNER, THAT 500-FOOT REGION THERE, THAT'S WHERE EVANGELINE LAGUNA PROBABILITY IS, OR YOU TEND -- OR YOU GO WEST AND ONE OF THOSE AREAS IS WHERE THE WESTERN WELLFIELD IS. WE'RE SETTING THE STAGE OF WHERE THE WATER IS IN THESE TWO COUNTIES. ON THE NEXT ONE IS A LOT OF DATA, BUT THIS WAS ACTUALLY DONE 10 YEARS AGO, UPDATED VERY SLIGHT UPDATE IN TERMS OF CHANGES. BUT WATER'S CHARACTERIZED BASED ON ITS TDS. THAT'S TOTAL DISSOLVED SOLID. YOU BASICALLY GO AND EVAPORATE WATER, YOU SEE WHAT RESIDUAL'S LEFT AND YOU WEIGH IT. THAT'S HOW YOU GET THE MILLIGRAMS IN WEIGHT PER LITER. IF IT'S LESS THAN 1,000, IT'S CONSIDERED FRESH. AND IT WAS BETWEEN 1,010,000, IT'S CONSIDERED BRACKISH. AND THEY DIVIDE BRACKISH UP TO ONE TO 3,000 IS SLIGHTLY SALINE. OKAY. AND WE REALLY WANT WATER AS FRESH AS YOU CAN GET IT, AND I'M GOING TO POINT OUT TWO ASPECTS. ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE WE'RE SHOWING ALL THE WATER MEASUREMENTS AT TDS THAT'S REPORTED IN THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD DATASET. ALL GREEN, PRETTY MUCH. OR LIGHT YELLOW. IT'S ALL -- IT'S ALL SLIGHTLY SALINE. THERE IS -- IN YOUR COUNTIES, THERE REALLY IS NO FRESH WATER AVAILABLE IN QUANTITIES IN THAT UPPER EVAL LINE AQUIFER. AND IF YOU GO TO THE CHICOT, WHICH IS THE SHALLOWER AQUIFER, IF YOU LOOK VERY SHALLOW AT THAT LISSIE FORMATION, THAT'S THE CIRCLES, I'VE ISOLATED THAT, THERE'S A POCKET OVER THERE WHERE THERE'S SOME FRESH WATER, BUT IT'S SHALLOW. YOU CAN'T PUMP A LOT OF WATER OUT OF THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET DRAW DOWNS. IN THE NEXT AREA WHERE THERE'S SOME FRESH WATER IS UP WHERE EVANGELINE LAGUNA IS, THAT'S IN THE WILLIS, THAT'S IN THE BOTTOM OF THE CHICOT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT UPPER AQUIFER. THAT LOOKS LIKE WHERE THE BETTER WATER'S GOING TO BE. BACK THEN IN 2013, JUST TO KIND OF PUT THE RIBBON ON THIS, INTERA WERE TO PICK -- IF YOU -- WHERE TO GO FOR GROUNDWATER, WHERE ARE THE TWO PLACES YOU SHOULD PICK. ONE, WHICH WAS THE MOST FAVORABLE WAS UP THERE -- THIS IS BEFORE EVANGELINE PROJECT WAS FORMED, IN THAT AREA. MOST PEOPLE KNEW THAT. WE WERE ESTIMATING QUANTITIES OF 5,000 TO 10,000 TO 20,000-ACRE FEET. THAT'S WHY IT'S THE ELEMENT OF 20,000. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. BUT YOU HAD THE -- YOU HAD THE FRESH WATER AND YOU HAD A LOT OF IS R SANDS. WHAT YOU HAD, THOUGH, REGION WAS, TOO, YOU HAD A GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT. IT WAS JUST FORMED, YOU DON'T KNOW THE RULES, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PROCESS. WHEN YOU START LOOKERING AT WHAT'S AVAILABLE, IT'S NOT JUST PHYSICALLY, IT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN WORK THROUGH THESE REGULATIONS TO PULL THE WATER OUT. AND THAT'S SURE GOING TO BECOME A QUESTION. AND THE SECOND ASPECT WAS, AGAIN, THE SECOND FIELD WAS, AGAIN, WHERE WE HAVE THE WESTERN WELL FIELD. OKAY? THERE WAS GOOD SANDS, IT WAS STILL BRACKISH, THOUGH. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO STEP BACK A LITTLE -- GOD BLESS IT -- AND TRY TO KIND OF PUT SOME OF THIS INFORMATION INTO UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND GROUNDWATER FLOW. I HAVE A CONCEPTUAL MODEL HERE OF THE REGIONAL FLOW. WE'VE MADE IT A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX. EARLIER WE WERE ASSUMING THE GULF COAST WHICH WAS ALL ONE COAT OF SAND. WE REALLY HAVE FORMATIONS. , OR AQUIFERS. THIS IS VERY IDEALIZE, BUT WE HAVE TWO AQUIFERS HERE. THEY'RE BLUE, THAT'S REPRESENTING THE SANDS. SO THE SANDS ARE IMPORTANT, WHAT PERCENT OF SAND MAKES IT HOW PERMEABLE, HOW MUCH WATER CAN FLOW THROUGH IT, AND THTHEN THE THICKNESS OF THE SAND IS CAPACITY. IT JUST SAYS THAT'S THE CAPACITY FOR THE SAND TO BE MOVED. EXCUSE ME, FOR THE WATER TO MOVE THROUGH THE SANDS. AND ABOVE IT, THEY CAN BE DIFFERENT SANDS, IT'S A SHALLOWER AQUIFER, IT MOVES DIFFERENTLY AND IT CAN HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT WATER PRESSURE IN IT. WHY YOU CAN HAVE DIFFERENT WATER PRESSURES IS THE CLAYS. CLAYS ARE RELATIVELY IMPERMEABLE AND THEY DON'T ALLOW WATER TO MOVE QUICKLY AND PRESSURE CAN BUILD UP IN THESE AQUIFERS AND THEY CAN BE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE AQUIFER ABOVE IT. THIS IS IMPORTANT WHEN WE GO TO LOOK AT IMPACTS. SO WHEN YOU PUT A WELL IN IN A CONFINED AQUIFER, THE WELL -- YOU SCREEN IT IN THE AQUIFER, THE PRESSURE WILL RISE ABOVE THE TOP OF THE AQUIFER. AND THAT'S -- AND THE AMOUNT THAT RISES ABOVE THE AQUIFER IS THE AVAILABLE DRAWDOWN. AND THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT CONCEPT, BECAUSE WHEN WE SAY SOMETHING DRAWS 80 FEET, IF YOU ONLY HAVE 100 FEET ABOVE THE AQUIFER, 80 FEET'S A BIG NUMBER. BUT IF YOU HAVE 1,000 FEET OR 500 FEET, IT'S NOT AS IMPORTANT, YOU CAN WORK WITH IT. YOU CAN MANAGE IT. AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, TOO, THE AQUIFER ABOVE IT COULD HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT WATER LEVEL. AND DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH CLAY YOU HAVE -- AND THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP A MODEL FOR, YOU CAN PUMP THE LOWER AQUIFER, DRAW IT DOWN THREE OR 400 FEET, AND ONLY HAVE THE TOP AQUIFER MAYBE ONLY CHANGE 10 FEET. THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP MODELS, IS TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU'RE TARGETING YOUR ZONE, LIKE A PARTICULAR AQUIFER LEVEL, HOW CAN YOU PUMP IT AND THEN HOW WILL IT AFFECT THE WELLS ABOVE IT AND AWAY FROM IT. AND BY THE MORE CLAY YOU HAVE, YOU ALSO WILL DISTRIBUTE WHERE IT'S COLLECTING WATER. IT WILL FORCE A BIGGER ZONE OF WHERE YOU COLLECT WATER FOR A WELL FIELD. SO CLAYS ARE IMPORTANT AS WELL AS SANDS. OKAY? NOW, WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE MODEL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP. THE MODEL IS VERY COMPLEX, AND YOU CAN THINK OF IT, THOUGH, IN TERMS OF A BIG EXCEL SHEET. I THINK WE HOPEFULLY ALL REMEMBER OUR OUR EXCEL SHEET WORKS. IT'S TWO DIMENSIONAL, YOU CAN PUT AN EQUATION IN, YOU HAVE VARIABLES, AND IF YOU CHANGE ONE VARIABLE, IT CHANGES ALL THE OTHER GRID CELLS IN EXCEL. IN THIS CASE, IN EVERY GRID CELL WE PUT IN A WATER BALANCE EQUATION OF SAYING, IF YOU PUMP IT, HOW DOES THE AQUIFER CHANGE ITS FLOW, WHAT CHANGES AND ARE THEY ALL CONNECTED? IT'S JUST THREE-DIMENSIONAL. IT'S JUST A BIG WATER BUDGET, BUT WE HAVE TO GET THE INFORMATION RIGHT FOR IT TO BE PREDICT PROPERLY, AND THAT'S THE TRICK IN DEVELOPING MODELS. THIS IS THE MODEL THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING, AND HAVE DEVELOPED AND ARE STARTING TO USE FOR THE NUECES COUNTY. WE HAVE TWO MODELS BEING DEVELOPED. I WAS ASKED TO COME ON BOARD THIS YEAR TO DEVELOP THIS TO WORK WITH NICK ON LOOKING AT IMPACTS. SO WE -- THERE ARE ALL THE GRID CELLS, THAT'S THE MODEL. AND WE HAVE -- AWAY FROM WHERE WE THINK THE WALLS ARE GOING TO BE, THE GRID CELLS MILE BY MILE, THAT'S THE STANDARD CELL SIZE THAT'S USED BY THE STATE FOR THEIR MODELS. AS WE GET INTO -- NEAR THE RIVER, THEY'RE MUCH SMALLER. THEY'RE DOWN TO A 16TH OF A MILE. THAT ALLOWS US TO GET BETTER RESOLUTION. THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A CROSS SECTION AA WAS SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH THE RIVER, THE MIDDLE OF THE MODEL, I SHIFTED THE PICTURE, BUT IT'S OFF. BUT PICTURE THAT AA GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE GRID, AND WHAT WE HAVE TO THE RIGHT IS ALL THE LAYERING WE HAVE IN THAT MODEL. THE ORANGE COLORS ARE THE CHICOT AQUIFER. WE HAVE THREE LAYERS. WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THAT. EVERYTHING BELOW IT IS THE EVANGELINE AQUIFER. ALL THOSE DIFFERENT LAYERS WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE PROPERTIES, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE PUMPING THE UPPER GOLIAD, THE TOP LAYER OF THE WILLIS AND THE LISSIE IN THE MODEL. THE STATE'S MODEL, WHICH IS BEING USED BY GMA16 AND A LOT OF MANAGEMENT HAS THIS IN TWO LAYERS. AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE -- THERE HAS BEEN A BIG EFFORT TO GET THIS RESOLUTION MUCH BETTER, AND WE WOULD THINK TWO LAYERS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF REPRESENTING ALL THE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES IN THE W WELLS. I'M GOING TO JUMP AHEAD, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE MODEL, THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS THE BOX MODEL, AND THOSE LITTLE POINTS THAT ARE HARD TO SEE, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE WATER LEVELS. WE'RE STILL GETTING SOME MORE WATER LEVELS. WE'RE SEEING CURRENT CONDITIONS WHAT IT SIMULATED, THAT'S THE WATER LEVEL. THAT'S IF YOU PUT A WELL IN TO THE FORMATION, THAT'S THE WATER LEVEL IT WILL RISE TO. NEGATIVE 100 FEET MEANS IT'S BELOW SEA LEVEL. THAT MEANS THERE'S PUMPING GOING ON IN THAT MODEL THAT WILL BRING THE WATER BELOW SEA LEVEL. BECAUSE ALL THE CLAYS, YOU KNOW, THINGS CAN STAY DIFFERENT, 250, THAT MEANS THE WATER LEVEL IN THE WELL IS 250 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL. THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS IN THE AQUIFER LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, SO YOU CAN HAVE DIFFERENT HEAD VALUES. IS THAT CLEAR? THAT'S A REALLY HARD CONCEPT TO UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN HAVE IN THE SAME LOCATION VERY DIFFERENT HEAD LEVELS THAT -- AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET BELOW SEA LEVEL, BUT THAT'S VERY COMMON. OKAY? WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THIS -- I'M SURE YOU'LL BE ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MODEL, BUT WE ARE -- WE'RE NO BETTER THIS MODEL THAN THE DATA WE CAN USE TO GENERATE IT. WHAT I HAVE HERE IS LOCATION WE'VE DONE AN AQUIFER PUMPING TEST WHERE THEY GO OUT AND PUMP IT AT LEAST 36 HOURS. YOU SEE HOW THE AQUIFER DRAWS DOWN, AND IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA, AND YOU CAN CALCULATE THE PROPERTY THAT GOES INTO THE MODEL FOR THAT BASED ON THAT MEASUREMENT IN THE FIELD. THEN I CAN GO OUT AND DO THAT SAME TEST IN MY MODEL, SAY, I'M GOING TO PUMP AT 1,000 GPM, HOW FAR IS IT GOING TO DRAW DOWN, WHAT'S THE RATE? THAT'S JUST WHAT WE DO. THIS IS NOT EVEN REQUIRED BY STATE MODELS. ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, I HAVE A COMPARISON, THE BIGGER THE NUMBER IN THE TRANCE POSIVETY, THAT'S THE THICKNESS OF THE SAND, THE MORE WATER YOU CAN GET OUT OF A WELL. YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS ARE ABOUT 1,000, 1200, SOMETHING, AND WE HAVE SOME TESTS FROM THE EASTERN WELL FIELD. I DON'T HAVE THEM ALL IN YET. WE HAVE TWO TESTS FROM THE WESTERN WELL FIELD. THEY'RE ABOUT THE SAME. THE MODEL DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF PREDICTING IT. SO YOU CAN FEEL CONFIDENT IN THAT AREA THAT WHERE WE'RE PUTTING IN THESE PUMPING RATES AND PREDICTING, WE'VE GROUND TRUTH THAT MODEL IN THAT FACILITY. ON THE BOTTOM, THERE'S TWO NUMBERS -- IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT THE TWO TESTS ARE ABOUT 5,000, THOSE ARE THE TESTS THAT WERE DONE IN EVANGELINE LAGUNA AND I DID THOSE TESTS. YOU CAN SEE IT'S MUCH HIGHER, BUT WE HAD MUCH HIGHER SANDS THERE. SO YOU MIGHT HAVE EXPECTED THAT. AND THOSE WERE DONE IN THE WILLIS AND DONE IN THE UPPER GOLIAD FORMATIONS. BUT THOSE -- THAT GIVES YOU -- WE'RE MATCHING THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRODUCE THE MODEL. THIS NEXT PICTURE, IT'S JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF JUST HOW HARD WE'RE TRYING TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION OUT OF IT. THESE ARE MOST OF THE -- GEOFISCAL WELL LOGS. WHEN YOU PUT IN A WELL, YOU BASICALLY DO AN X-RAY, AND WHEN YOU DO AND OIL AND GAS EXPLORATION, YOU DO THE SAME. MOST OF THESE ARE FROM OIL AND GAS OPERATIONS. WE'VE GONE AROUND AND COLLECTED ABOUT 1,000 OF THESE LOGS, WE'VE ANALYZED THEM ALL LIKE THIS, ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE IS THE DEPTH. SO IT GOES DOWN TO 2,000 FEET BELOW GROUND. AND ON THE TOP RIGHT, WE HAVE A LITTLE TRANSECTION THAT STARTS IN NUECES COUNTY AND GOES UP BY THE BAY. THEY'RE NUMBERED, I KNOW I IT MAY BE HARD TO SEE ALL THE NUMBERS. THERE'S A SEQUENCE. THE BLACK IS WHERE CLAY IS. SO THAT TELLS YOU, YOU CAN MAYBE GET SOME ISOLATION. SO IF YOU PUMP BELOW IT, THE DRAWDOWN DOESN'T GO TO THE TOP IMMEDIATELY. AND THE COLORS ARE ALL SANDS. IF IT'S BLUE, IT'S FRESH WATER. IF IT'S SLIGHTLY YELLOW, IT'S SLIGHTLY SALINE. IF IT'S RED, YOU KNOW, THAT'S -- I THINK IT'S ABOVE 10,000, IT'S LIKE OCEAN. SO YOU CAN SEE -- GET TO THE OCEAN OR THE BAY, EVERYTHING'S RED. THEN IF YOU GET WAY UP DIP, IT'S BLUE, BUT THE BLUE STARTS TO FADE AWAY, AND YOU CAN LOOK CAREFULLY AT THE GREEN STAR, THAT'S THE WESTERN WELL FIELD. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SOME FRESH WATER NEAR THE TOP. THAT'S ONE OF THE LOGS FROM THE WELL. THESE ARE ESTIMATES. AND NEAR THE BOTTOM, IT'S MORE TOWARDS BRACKISH. AND WHEN YOU PUMP IT, YOU GET A MIXTURE. I THINK WE'RE GETTING ABOUT 1800, AND THAT'S ABOUT WHAT WE GET IN THAT WELL FIELD. IF YOU MOVE DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH, YOU SEE A LOG THAT'S A RED STAR. THAT'S FROM THE EASTERN. I BELIEVE THE ESTIMATES THERE ARE ABOUT 3,000 MIXED, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE THERE. BUT WE'RE USING THESE SANDS AND CLAYS TO PUT IN THE MODEL TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU PUMP ONE ZONE, HOW MUCH WATER DO YOU GET OUT OF A ZONE AND HOW WILL IT PROPAGATE UPWARDS. OKAY? AND THIS NEXT SLIDE, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THAT WE -- WE CONVERT ALL THAT INFORMATION BY LAYERS. ONE SIDE'S PERCENT SANDS, THE OTHER SIDE IS THICKNESS OF SANDS, BUT THAT'S HOW WE DO THE MODEL. DON'T WARRANT TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THAT. I'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE PROCESS WE GO THROUGH. AND THEN WHAT WE'VE -- THIS SLIDE SIMULATES HOW WELL THE MODEL'S PREDICTING WATER LEVELS. THAT'S WHY YOU DE DEVISE A MODEL. I'M SHOWING TWO LAYERS BEFORE ANY TYPE OF MAJOR PUMPING, CALIBRATE INTO MEASURED WATER LEVELS. I HAD SHOWED EARLIER, AND THIS IS THE WATER LEVELS IT PREDICTS. BASICALLY, IT GOES FROM HIGH NUMBERS, THAT'S A PRESSURE OF THE WATER, AND IT FLOWS TOWARDS THE LOW PRESSURE WOULD BE A LOWER NUMBER, AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR. WHAT YOU SEE FOR THOSE LITTLE CIRCLES ON THE COUNTY LINES, THAT'S WATER FLOWING OUT OF THAT MODEL TOWARDS KLEBERG'S PUMPING WELLS. THOSE WELLS HAVE BEEN PUMPING A LONG TIME. I THINK -- ABOUT 250 FEET, 300 FEET OF DRAWDOWN THEY MAY HAVE, SO THOSE ARE THE ONES -- THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GETTING SOME NEGATIVE NUMBERS. YOU GET NUMBERS BECAUSE THAT -- THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME PULLING, THEY ARE MUCH LOWER TRANSPOSITIVETY OR A LOT LESS SANDS THAN YOU WOULD GET UP IN EVANGELINE. SO AT THIS POINT, WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE -- SO TECHNICAL DETAILS. I'M GOING TO ASK -- LIKE NICK TO COME UP AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE WELL DESIGN THAT WE HAVE, AND THEN WE'LL GO OVER SOME OF THE MODEL APPLICATIONS. >> Winkelmann: GREAT. THANKS STEVE. SO STEVE'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THE HYDROGEOLOGY, BUT THEN WHAT DO WE DO TO PUT THAT INTO USE AND PUT IT INTO PRACTICAL FUNCTIONS? SO WE UTILIZE THAT DATA AND WE DO A WELL DESIGN MPT AND WHAT WE'VE SHOWN HERE IS THE TYPICAL WELL DESIGN, THE DRAWING ON THE LEFT IS THE EASTERN WELL FIELD AND THE DRAWING ON THE RIGHT IS THE WESTERN WELL FIELD. AND ONE THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT BEFORE I FORGET, EARLIER IN THE SLIDE WHERE STEVE SHOWED ALL THE GEOPHYSICAL LOGS, OUR FIRST WELL ON THE WESTERN WELL FIELD, WE DRILLED A PILOT HOLE OR A TEST HOLE TO 1500 FEET. THE WELL IS NOT COMPLETED TO 1500 FEET, BUT WE DRILLED A PILOT HOLE TO 1500 FEET SO WE COULD DO GEOPHYSICAL LOGGING TO THAT DEPTH, AND THAT WAS IMPORTANT INFORMATION SO THAT STEVE AND HIS TEAM COULD BETTER CHARACTERIZED THE GEOLOGY IN THE AREA. SO SPECIFICALLY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE EASTERN WELL FIELDS, SO THAT'S THE DRAWING ON THE RIGHT. YOU'LL NOTICE WELL CONSTRUCTION CONSISTS OF A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS, IT CONSISTS OF CASINGS AND SCREENS. THE SCREENS ARE INSTALLED AT INTERVALS AND DEPTHS TO TARGET THOSE SPECIFIC FORMATIONS, THOSE SPECIFIC SAND INTERVALS THAT WILL PROVIDE BOTH THE WATER QUALITY AND THE QUANTITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. HOWEVER, IN OUR CASE, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE ACTUALLY BYPASS SOME OF THE FRESHER WATER QUALITY AND WE ALSO BYPASS SOME OF THE QUANTITY IN THE SHALLOWER FORMATIONS SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY AFFECT ON THE RESIDENTIAL OR LIVESTOCK WELLS. SO IN ESSENCE, WHAT WE DID, IF YOU LOOK AT THE EASTERN WELL FIELD, WE SET 20-INCH -- WELL, THERE'S A 40-FOOT CONDUCTOR CASING, AND THEN WE SAT 20-INCH STEEL CASING TO APPROXIMATELY 465 FEET. TTHE ANNUALIST OF THAT CASING OR THE OUTSIDE OF THAT CASING IS PRESSURE CEMENTED. AND WE UTILIZED THAT PRESSURE CEMENT CEILING ALONG WITH THE CONFINING CLAY LAYERS WITHIN THE FORMATION TO SEAL OFF WHERE WE'RE DRAWING WATER FROM THE LOWER FORMATIONS FROM WHAT THE RESIDENTIAL AND LIVESTOCK WELLS ARE UTILIZING IN THE UPPER EXTENT OF THE AQUIFER. IN THE EASTERN WELL FIELD, THE TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL WELLS ARE ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO 100 FEET OR SO. THE EASTERN WELL FIELDS, WHEN THOSE WELLS ARE NOT IN OPERATION, THEY ARE ARTESIAN, SO THEY'RE FLOWING. THE STATIC HEAD THERE IS APPROXIMATELY 10 FEET ABOVEGRABOVE GROUND LEVEL, PLUS OR MINUS. THE WESTERN WELL FIELD IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, ELEVATION IS DIFFERENT AS WELL. A LITTLE HIGHER, AS CAN BE EXPECTED. TYPICAL -- AND THIS IS A DRAWING FOR WELL 9 IN THE WESTERN WELL FIELD, SO YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT THAT 20-INCH CASING SET AND CEMENTED TO 535 FEET, AND THE DEPTH OF THE WELL IS ACTUALLY 830 FEET OR SO. AND, AGAIN, WE UTILIZED THE INFORMATION FROM THE GEOPHYSICAL LOGS TO DETERMINE THE SPECIFIC INTERVALS WHERE WE ARE PULLING THE WATER FROM. AND, AGAIN, THE GOAL IS TO SEPARATE OURSELVES OR OUR PRODUCTION ZONE FROM THAT UPPER LEVEL WHICH IS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND LIVESTOCK WELLS ARE AT. IN THE AREA OF THE WESTERN WELL FIELD, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WELLS ARE APPROXIMATELY 250 FEET. SO THOSE ARE TARGETING THOSE UPPER FORMATIONS THAT STEVE DOES SUCH A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THAT. AND IT'S -- I DO WANT TO SHARE AN INTERESTING -- WHEN WE STARTED WORKING ON THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THE TYPICAL COMMENT IS, HEY, WE'RE BYPASSING -- NICK, YOU'RE BYPASSING CCW, OR YOU'RE LEAVING THAT SHALLOWER WATER ON THE TABLE. WE ARE. BUT OUR GOAL WAS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE WATER FROM THE LOWER EXTENT WITHOUT ANY ILL CONSEQUENCES. I ALSO WANT TO TH THANK WEISINGER, THEY'RE OUR PRIMARY CONTRACTOR ON THOSE. I TOLD THEM THEY WOULD MENTION THEM DURING THE COURSE T OF THIS DISCUSSION, THEY PROVIDED MOST OF THESE SCHEMATICS. THOSE ARE THE TYPICAL WELL CONSTRUCTIONS FOR BOTH THE EAST AND THE WEST. THEY ARE NOT ALL THE SAME AT ALL. THEY ALL VARY. THEY CAN VARY -- THE DEPTHS CAN VARY 10 TO 15 TO 20 TO 50 FEET, EACH WELL IS DESIGNED AFTER THOSE GEOPHYSICAL LOGS COME IN, AND WE ANALYZE THEM, REVIEW THEM AND THEN WE SETTLE ON THE WELL FIELD DESIGN. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO STEVE. >> OKAY. ON THE FINAL LAP, THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE. THIS SLIDE HERE IS JUST A SUMMARY OF THE MODEL. IF THE POINT IS, WE HAVE GONE AND GATHERED AS MUCH INFORMATION HYDROGO LOGIC AS WE CAN. WE'VE CONTRACTED INFORMATION AS MUCH AS WE CAN, WE'RE STILL LOOKING. THIS IS -- GOES WAY BEYOND ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEEN DONE. BE GLAD TO ANSWER QUESTIONS TOWARDS THE END. WE'RE STILL NOT FINISHED. I GUESS THE MAIN TASK IS WE'RE STILL ADDING SOME MORE WATER LEVELS AT THE TIME WE STARTED WORKING AT THIS, THE DISCUSSIONS WITH EVANGELINE LAGUNA HAD NOT -- HAD STARTED, SO I'LL BE BRINGING SOME MORE INFORMATION FROM THERE, AND THE QUESTION OF THE -- THAT WILL RISE UP IS LAND SUBSIDENCE, AND I WANT TO COVER THAT A LITTLE BIT. I SUSPECT THERE MIGHT BE A QUESTION ON THAT. I'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH LAND SUBSIDENCE, ESPECIALLY UP IN HARRIS, GALVESTON, AND DONE -- QUITE A BIT OF 15, TOO, AND DONE SOME PREDICTIONS. I THINK IT'S WORTH DISCUSSION. THERE'S A CONCERN THAT WILL COME UP. WE HAVE A BASIC EQUATION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT GOES ON WITH LAND SUBSIDENCE IN THAT -- WITH FOUR COEFFICIENTS. THE B IS REPRESENTING ACTUALLY THE AMOUNT OF LAND -- SOMETIMES THAT HAS OCCURRED. THE CT IS THE AMOUNT OF CLAY. IT TURNS OUT THIS CLAY HAS A MUCH HIGHER POTENTIAL FOR SUBSIDING THAN THE SAND. SO YOU REALLY WANT TO KEEP TRACK OF THAT THICKNESS OF THE CLAY. WHAT DETERMINES HOW MUCH WEIGHT IS PUT ON THAT CLAY AND MAKES IT COLLAPSE IS BY TAKING OUT THE DRAWDOWN. YOU'RE TAKING OUT THE BUOYANCY EFFECT OF THE WATER, YOU'RE ALLOWING MORE WEIGHT TO GO ON IT, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT D IS THE DRAWDOWN. AND THE MIDDLE ONE THAT LOOKS -- THAT GREEK LETTER, THAT IS ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU CAN SQUEEZE CLAY AND MAKE IT -- WHEN YOU SQUEEZE IT HARD, HOW MUCH IT WILL COLLAPSE. SO WHAT THEY DID TO GET THIS -- THESE PARAMETERS, THEY -- UP IN GALVESTON AND HARRIS COUNTY AREA, THEY HAVE ABOUT 10 FEET OF SUBSIDENCE. I'M SURE Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF THAT. THEY HAVE A BOWL, THAT'S KIND OF THE REASON THEY KIND OF HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH FLOODING, SUBSIDE ENCE BRINGS SOME BAD THINGS WITH IT. AND THEY CAN MEASURE THAT SUBSIDENCE. THEY KNOW HOW MUCH CLAY IS IN THAT AQUIFER. THEY KNOW HOW MUCH THEY'VE DRAWN DOWN THAT AQUIFER BY USING WELLS. SO THEY CAN CALCULATE THAT ALPHA TERM TO FIGURE HOW MUCH -- IF YOU HAD DRAWDOWN WOULD YOU EXPECT THAT TO HAPPEN. SO THAT'S A SIMPLE EQUATION YOU MIGHT SEE. AND IT'S A GOOD FOR SORT OF AN UPPER BOUND ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH LAND SUBSIDENCE WE COULD GET. SO -- AND IT -- BUT IT HAS SOME LIMITATIONS. AND ON THE RIGHT, I'LL GIVE YOU TWO EXAMPLES HERE, SAND'S LIKE MARBLES. WHEN YOU PUT PRESSURE ON IT, IT JUST REARRANGE. THERE'S NOT A BIG POTENTIAL FOR IT TO COLLAPSE AND CHANGE AND CONDENSE. CLAY'S LIKE PLAYING CARDS. IF YOU BUILD A HOUSE OF CARDS AND YOU COLLAPSE IT, IT REALLY COLLAPSES DOWN. SO ONCE YOU REACH A CERTAIN THRESHOLD, CLAY WILL START TO COLLAPSE REALLY QUICKLY, BUT YOU HAVE TO REACH A CERTAIN THRESHOLD. IT'S NOT LINEAR. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE 100 FEET OF DRAWDOWN OR 50 VEET BEFORE IT STARTS TO COLLAPSE. BUT THAT'S ONE THING YOU HAVE TO REALIZE AND THE REASON WE HAVE TO MODEL IT, IT'S NOT LINEAR. IT REACHES A POINT AND IT COLLAPSES A LOT, AND IT FLOWS. THE OTHER ASPECT IS -- THE REASON WE HAVE TO MODEL IT, IS WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE CLAY LAYERS THAT ARE IN BETWEEN SAND LAYERS. FOR THE CLAY TO COLLAPSE, WATER HAS TO PHYSICALLY FLOW OUT OF THE CLAYS. IT DOESN'T LEAVE INSTANTANEOUSLY. IT'S TIMING. AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR PROJECT. IT MAY TAKE 15 YEARS FOR -- FOR CLAYS AFTER YOU REDUCE THE PRESSURE TO ACTUALLY GET THE WATER OUT TO FULLY COLLAPSE. INCIDENT MIGHT EVEN BE -- IT COULD EVEN BE LONGER. AND YOU HAVE A SYSTEM HERE WHERE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE WEST AND EASTERN WELL FIELDS WILL BE INTERMITTENT. YOU MAY BE PUMPING IT ONE YEAR, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, CUT IT OFF FOR 10 YEARS. AND THAT REALLY AFFECTS HOW MUCH SUBSIDENCE YOU HAVE. SO WE REALLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THE THRESHOLD OF WHEN SUBSIDENCE HAPPENS AND HOW OFTEN AND LONG YOU'LL BE PUMPING. OKAY. NEXT SLIDE, THE LAST SLIDE, DISCUSSION OF MODEL APPLICATIONS. PROBABLY BE A FEW MORE THINGS WE NEED TO COVER HERE, BUT I'VE COVERED SOME HIGHLIGHTS. WE HAVE IN TERMS OF AVAILABLE DRAWDOWN AT THESE WELL FIELDS, YOU HAVE ABOUT THREE -- YOU HAVE ABOUT 400 FEET, FOUR OR 500 FEET OF AVAILABLE DRAWDOWN, BECAUSE AS NICK SAID, WE PUT THOSE SCREENS DOWN LOWER, BELOW A LOT OF SHALLOW WELLS. THE IDEA IS YOU MIGHT -- YOU'RE NOT GOING TRYING TO BE PUMPING THOSE ALL AT ONE -- AT MAXIMUM, BUT YOU PROBABLY FIND THE RATE AND THEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO RAISE AND LOWER THEM BY ADJUSTING THAT DRAWDOWN WHEN YOU NEED MORE PUMPING. WE DID A COUPLE OF RUNS, THE MODEL'S NOT FINALIZED YET, BUT WE CERTAINLY ARE RUNNING IT. IT'S GOOD ENOUGH TO BE ESTIMATES. WE'VE RUN A COUPLE RUNS WHERE WE'VE LOOKED AT MORE THAN 20 MGD IN THE EASTERN AND WESTERN WELL FIELD, AND WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP ABOUT 100 FEET AT LEAST ABOVE THE SCREEN LEVELS, BECAUSE THERE'S -- THAT'S FOR DESIGN PURPOSES, FOR HOW TO OPERATE A WELL. AND THIS IS THE BIG TAKEHOME MESSAGE WE'RE WILLING TO SHARE AT THIS POINT, AND FEEL CONFIDENT IN SHARING, IS THAT WE HAVE WELLS MAPPED, WE'VE -- WE WENT TO THE SAN PAT GCD, WE GOT THEIR WELLS, WE PUT THEM IN THESE DIFFERENT MODEL LAYERS, WE'VE GONE TO THE GOT R WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, WE'VE HAD ALL THE WELLS THEY'VE INSTALLED SINCE 2010 AND TWO OTHER DATASETS TO MAP THOSE, AND WE REALLY HAVE IN IT'S THIS AREA ABOUT 3,000 WELLS. AND WHEN WE RUN THIS -- WE'RE RUNNING IT FOR THREE YEARS, WE SEE 22 WELLS, THESE WOULD BE THE DEEPER WELLS, THAT HAVE 50 TO 100 FEET OF DRAWDOWN. WE'RE GETTING IN THE WELL FIELD ITSELF, WE'RE PROBABLY GETTING, I THINK, ABOUT 350 FOR THESE RUNS, MIGHT BE A LITTLE HIGHER. AND SO 22 OF THOSE WELLS, THAT'S SORT OF IN THE SAME LAYER, BUT FARTHER AWAY, 50 TO 100'S BEING REALIZED FEET OF DRAWDOWN, AND SIX WELLS HAVE MORE THAN 100 FEET, 100, TO 150 FEET. SO WHEN I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THESE -- AT THESE TYPE OF PROBLEMS WHERE YOU'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS, THE ISSUE OF DRAWDOWNS, HAVE BEEN UP IN VISTA RIDGE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS TYPICALLY SOLVED BY SOME TYPE OF WELL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND THE WATER'S STILL THERE, BUT THOSE WELLS HAVE TO PROPERLY BE DROPPED OR MANAGED. YOU KNOW, SOMEONE HAS TO BE PAYING FOR THAT. AND THAT'S A DISCUSSION AND GOING FORWARD, I'M SURE WE'LL BE DISCUSSING LATER. WE'RE STILL LOOKING TO ADJUSTING THE PUMPING RANGES AT WELLS, BECAUSE YOU -- RIGHT NOW, WE'RE JUST PUMPING ALL THE WELLS THE SAME. AND, YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN ADJUST THIS A LITTLE BIT BY ADJUSTING THE PUMPING RATES IN LOCATIONS. WE'RE LOOKING AT HAVING MONITORING WELLS TO REALTIME BE MONITORING THAT, SO YOU CAN ADJUST IT AS YOU OPERATE IT. AND WE'LL BE LOOKING TO MODIFY THE MODEL IN THE NEAR FUTURE WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. SO AT THAT TIME, I'LL BE GLAD TO ADDRESS -- NICK AND I WILL BE GLAD TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ? >> Hernandez: OKAY. MR. YOUNG, I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION. I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S PROBABLY MUCH HIGHER LEVEL THAN WHAT MOST OF US HAVE HEARD IN THE PAST. AND THERE'S SOME CLARIFICATIONS I WANT AS IT TIES TO WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE SPECIFIC -- AND I WON'T USE THE ACRONYM, IT WILL BE MODELED AVAILABLE GROUNDWATER FOR THE GULF COAST AQUIFER WITHIN THE REGION THAT WE'RE IN, RIGHT, THE GMA16, CORRECT? NOW, SAN PATRICIO HAS A MUCH HIGHER AVAILABLE WATER THAN WHAT NUECES DOES PER THE INFORMATION ON THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. NOW, THIS DOESN'T -- YOU KNOW, ON THE DIFFERENT LEVELS, IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THAT IN THAT INFORMATION RIGHT? SO HOW DOES THAT WORK SPECIFICALLY BASED ON THE DIFFERENT AQUIFERS THAT YOU HAVE AND I'M ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS. HOW DOES THE MODELED AVAILABLE GROUNDWATER APPLY TO THE DIFFERENT LEVELS? >> I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THAT, BUT I CAN'T ANSWER IT IN A FEW WORDS. I'LL JUST GO THROUGH THE PROCESS -- IF YOU CAN HANG WITH ME FOR A FEW MINUTES. >> Hernandez: TAKES A MUCH TIME AS YOU NEED. >> WELL, I WON'T DO THAT, BUT I WAS INVOLVED WITH THE PROCESS, WITH GMA16, WHEN THOSE NUMBERS WERE SET, AND ACTUALLY DID THE MODEL RUNS, SO I AM KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THAT. SO WHAT HAPPENS ON THE PROCESS, LET'S GET ON THE SAME PAGE, THE GCDS GET TOGETHER, THEY HAVE A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WHERE THEY LOOK AT EACH OTHER'S PUMPING AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY CAN LIVE WITH, AND THEY WILL PUT IT INTO A 50-YEAR PROJECTION RUN AT ANNUAL PUMPING. AT THIS CASE, BY AQUIFER. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. CHICOT AQUIFER, IT'S ONE LAYER, AND THE EVANGELINE AQUIFER -- SOME MAY HAVE SOME DISTRICTS WAY UP, LIKE JIM HOBBS MAY HAVE SOMETHING FOR JASPER. BUT THEY PUT THAT IN THE MODEL AND THEY WILL RUN THE MODEL OUT. IT HAS TO BE THE MODEL THEY HAVE DEVELOPED, WE HAVE REVIEWED THOSE MODELS AND WE USE THEM. THEY WOULD RUN OUT FOR 50 OR 60 YEARS AND WHATEVER THAT MODEL PRODUCES WOULD BE AN AVERAGE DRAWDOWN. THEY CALCULATE -- AT EVERY GRID CELL, THEY HAVE A DRAWDOWN, BUT THEN THEY WILL AVERAGE IT OVER A COUNTY BY AQUIFER. SO YOU MAY HAVE 20 OR 30 GRID CELLS, BECAUSE A MILE BY MILE ROUGHLY, IN THAT COUNTY, YOU TAKE ALL 31S THAT ARE IN THE CHICOT LEVEL, AND THAT'S THE DFC, SO THEY HAVE AN AVERAGE DRAWDOWN AND THEY WOULD HAVE IT FOR DIFFERENT LAYERS. THEY WILL EXPRESS IT DIFFERENTLY, SOME SAY THEY'LL TAKE THE AVERAGE FOR THE WHOLE GULF COAST, MEANING EVEN SOMETHING REALLY DEEP OR THEY MAY JUST CHANGE THE CHICOT OR THEY MAY TAKE BOTH. THAT RUN, AFTER THEY VOTE, SAY WE SEE THE IMPACT, WHAT THE NEIGHBORS DO TO US, WHAT WE DO TO OURSELVES, WE BELIEVE THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. THEY'LL SUBMIT A DFC TO THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. THE WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD WILL TAKE THAT MODEL RUN, AND THEY WILL ACTUALLY LOOK AT WHAT WAS PUT IN THE PUMPING FILE. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT BECOMES THE MAG. THE MANAGED AVAILABLE GROUNDWATER. SO IT'S NOT REALLY AN INDEPENDENT CALCULATION, IT'S ACTUALLY ALMOST DONE WITH THE SUBMITTAL. AND THE BOARD IS CHECKING AND MAKING SURE THAT THE CALCULATIONS WERE DONE CORRECTLY. SO THE KEY ASPECT IS TO BE GETTING INTO THE MANAGEMENT MEETINGS AND TO ADVOCATE FOR A PROJECT TO GET THOSE -- THAT PUMPING RATES INSTALLED INTO THAT PUMPING RUN, SO THEN YOU HAVE A PUMPING RUN FOR YOUR COUNTY FOR THAT AQUIFER. AND THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE. >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO -- AND JUST -- I WANT TO TRY AND KIND OF SEPARATE THE TWO HERE. >> YEP. >> Hernandez: OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE MUCH H HIGHER, I BELIEVE, FOR SAN PATRICIO, FOR 2020 IS FREE 43,006 HURRIC 43,600-ACRE FEET PER YEAR AND NUECES COUNTY HAS -- >> I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T FULLY EXPLAIN THE PROCESS. THE PA TRISH SHOW NUMBER IS SO MUCH HIGHER BECAUSE I GUESS MAYBE EIGHT YEARS AGO WE PUT IN THE EVANGELINE PROJECT. THAT WAS PUT IN. AND IN THIS CYCLE, I BELIEVE, YOU ARE SUBMITTING YOUR PUMPING FILES AND INFORMATION TO THE GMA TO BE PUT IN THIS YEAR. >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT THIS IS BASED ON WHAT IS BEING PUMPED, NOT ON WHAT IS ACTUALLY MODELED TO BE AVAILABLE TO PUMP? >> NO, I'M ACTUALLY -- SORRY. I MISSPOKE. I'M SAYING THAT WHAT'S BEING PROJECTED AS THE MAG IS THE PROJECTED PUMPING THAT EACH COUNTY SUBMITS TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT 50-YEAR RUN. THE EVANGELINE, YOU KNOW, PROJECT HAD NOT STARTED WHEN THOSE PUMPING FILES WERE PUT IN ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO. BUT THEY PETITIONED, THEY GOT THE PERMIT, SO THE GCD SAID I GOT THE PERMITS, I WANT TO PUT THIS PUMPING FILE IN THAT RUN FOR SAN PATRICIO'S FILE. THAT'S HOW THEY GOT SUCH A BIG NUMBER. >> Hernandez: OKAY. >> NOW, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS, AND NUECES DOESN'T HAVE A GCD. I BELIEVE, AND NICK, YOU CAN COMMENT ON THIS, THAT THEY'RE MAKING THAT SUBMISSION. AND AT -- I WAS IN THE LAST MEETING THAT THE FILES WERE AT THAT POINT FOR NUECES WAS UP TO 80,000-ACRE FEET. I'LL LET NICK COMMENT ON THAT. >> Winkelmann: YES, STEVE, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. SO WE'VE MADE A SUBMISSION, A REQUEST TO GMA16 UTILIZING THE PUMPING DATA THAT WE'VE COLLECTED FOR BOTH OF OUR WELL FIELDS. >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO -- >> Winkelmann: I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN, ONE MORE POINT. SO THE NUECES COUNTY -- THE CORPUS CHRISTI AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS A CONSERVATION DISTRICT IN PART OF NUECES COUNTY, SO I DID WANT TO MAKE THAT CORRECTION. >> Hernandez: RIGHT. I GET IT. SO -- AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE THIS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE VIEWING AUDIENCE TO SAY HOW THESE THINGS WORK, RIGHT? THE ASR THAT WE HAVE IS -- CONSISTS OF OUR CITY LIMITS PLUS A LITTLE BIT EXTRA, RIGHT? IT DOES NOT CONSTITUTE THE WHOLE NUECES COUNTY. SO THE NUMBERS THAT I'M SEEING, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY MODELED FROM, THE 6,339-ACRE FEET PER YEAR, IS THAT REFLECTIVE OF JUST IS WHERE WE ARE IN OUR ASR, OR IS IT THE ENTIRE COUNTY? >> Winkelmann: I'M GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT, I'LL LET STEVE ELABORATE. YOU KNOW, ONE THING IS -- AND STEVE DID A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THE WATER QUALITY OF THE GROUNDWATER IN NUECES COUNTY. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE IT'S NOT IDEAL, RIGHT? WE'VE SEEN HIGHER TDS, THE MAPS HAVE SHOWN IT. WE'VE KNOWN IT, BUT CERTAINLY THE NECESSITY AND THE NEED HAS INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF THE CITY ITSELF LOOKING AT GROUNDWATER RESOURCES TO DIVERSIFY OUR SUPPLY IN TIMES OF THESE DROUGHT PERIODS, SO LIKE STEVE SAID, INTERMITTENTLY, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE WELLS TO SUPPLEMENT US DURING THE DROUGHT PERIODS. SO THE PREVIOUS PROJECTIONS WERE DONE WHEN THOSE -- THOSE LOWER FORMATIONS WERE NOT BEING UTILIZED, BUT I'M GOING TO STEP ASIDE AND LET STEVE PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE HISTORY, BECAUSE HE HAD WORKED WITH THE GMA. >> WE'RE GETTING CLOSE, BUT THOSE -- THAT 6,000 CAME FROM THE LAST PLANNING CYCLE. AT THAT POINT, NO ONE APPROACHED THE GMA16 TO SAY WE ANTICIPATE THIS TYPE OF PUMPING TO GO ON IN NUECES COUNTY. SO NO ONE WAS ADVOCATING FOR ANY TYPE OF HIGHER PUMPING AT THAT TIME, SO THAT DID NOT MAKE IT INTO THAT PROCESS WHERE THEY WOULD PUT IT INTO THOSE RUNS, THOSE MODEL RUNS. SO IT WASN'T LIKE THE WATER WASN'T THERE, IT WAS THAT NO ONE WAS LOOKING TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE, MORE OR LESS, BECAUSE THERE IS NOT -- EVEN THOUGH IT SOUNDS LIKE MANAGED AVAILABLE GROUNDWATER, IT SOUNDS LIKE FOLKS ARE COMING TOGETHER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT REALLY CAN THESE AQUIFER PRODUCE; IT'S THAT. BUT IT'S MORE FOR THOSE CAN WE PRODUCE WHAT SOMEONE HAS REQUESTED, SO SOMEONE HAS TO MAKE THE REQUEST BEFORE IT REALLY GETS INTO THE PLANNING PROCESS. >> Hernandez: SO THE GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT IN SAN PA THRISH SHOW, THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT PER ACRE OF 1.25-ACRE FEET OF WATER PER ACRE. WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN NUECES OUTSIDE OF OUR ASR, THERE'S NO RESTRICTION. SO THE -- OUR CITY HAS PURCHASED 251 ACRES IN A CERTAIN AREA, AND WE HAVE SOME -- I GUESS, WHAT IS IT, 11 ACRES ALONG THE NUECES RIVER, TOTAL OF, YOU KNOW, 262 ACRES. AND THE PROPOSAL BUS TO UTILIZE THE SAME -- WAS TO UTILIZE THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER -- GAIN THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER FROM THAT AS WE WERE LOOKING FROM SAN PATRICIO. NOW, I'M ASSUMING THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF WHERE WE WOULD GET THAT WATER FROM, I GUESS IT'S BELOW 800 FEET. I SAW ON THE SCHEMATIC FOR THE ACTUAL WELLS, IT WAS 1,080 FEET. >> IT'S SIMILAR FORMATIONS, BUT DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS, YOU'RE CORRECT. >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS, WE HAVE NOT TAKEN THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WITH REGARDS TO THE -- AND I'LL USE THE MODELED AVAILABLE GROUNDWATER BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT FORMATIONS. SO HOW DO WE GET TO A POINT WHERE IT MAKES IT EASY TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE REALLY UPSET THAT WE'RE GOING AFTER THIS WATER. AND I THINK IT'S A LACK OF INFORMATION THAT WE'RE PROVIDING IN A SIMPLIFIED FORM TO WHERE IT'S LIKE -- YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO AFFECT OUR NEIGHBORS WITH THE DRAWDOWN OF WATER, BUT WHAT IS THAT LIMITATION? WHAT -- YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THE LINE DRAWN ON A PER ACRE BASIS, SO THAT CAN BE COMMUNICATED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN THE COUNTY? >> THERE IS NO LINE DRAWN IN THE DMC GMA16 PLANNING PROCESS, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. >> Hernandez: SO DO WE NEED TO CREATE THAT? >> IT'S NOT FOR ME TO DECIDE, BUT I WOULD SAY IT WOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THOSE THAT ARE PUMPING TO CREATE THAT OF HOW YOU WOULD RESPOND, AND WE'RE TALKING TO A WELL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, WHAT WOULD BE THE LIMITS THAT YOU WOULD SEEM TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR A GOOD NEIGHBOR POLICY, YES. >> Hernandez: AND PETER, THIS WILL PROBABLY GO TO THE QUESTION, WHO MAKES THAT DECISION FOR THE CORPUS CHRISTI ASR? >> Zanoni: NICK WILL HAVE TO ANSWER THAT, BECAUSE HE'S -- >> Winkelmann: YEAH, IF I CAN ANSWER THAT. SO AS YOU'VE SEEN TODAY, DATA IS CRITICAL, RIGHT. IT'S CRITICAL FOR STEVE'S MODELING EFFORTS, IT'S CRITICAL FOR HOW WE MANAGE BOTH WELL FIELDS. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS IF THERE ARE ANY NEIGHBORS WHO ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH US, WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE BASELINE DATA FROM THEIR WILLS AND MONITOR IT REGULARLY, RIGHT, SO THAT WAY WE CAN SEE IF THERE'S ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THEIR WELLS AT ALL. THAT WAY WE CAN WORK WITH THEM AND PROVIDE SOLUTIONS AND OPTIONS WORKING TOGETHER ON THAT. THAT'S PART OF THE OPERATIONS' GOALS OF OUR WELL FIELDS. >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS SOMEWHAT OF A SELF-IMPOSED LIMITATION, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NO LIMITATIONS. THERE'S -- YOU KNOW, IT'S -- WE GET -- BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT? THERE'S NO GROUNDWATER CONTROL DISTRICT IN THE AREAS WHERE WE'RE DRILLING THESE WELLS. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE COGNIZANT OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS, YOU KNOW, A NEIGHBOR, TO LIMIT WHAT WE CAN -- AND COMMUNICATE THAT LIMITATION BASED ON THE INFORMATION FROM INTERA TO SAY WHAT WE CAN TAKE AND WHAT WE CAN'T. HOW IT WON'T AFFECT THE SURROUNDING WELLS AND NEIGHBORS OF INDIVIDUALS THERE. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SELF-IMPOSE THIS AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO BE A COUNCIL ACTION OR NOT, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION, WHO MAKES THE DECISION ON HOW MUCH WATER YOU CAN DRAW DOWN FROM OUR ASR. >> Winkelmann: SO -- YEAH. I COMPLETELY AGREE. WE'VE GOT TO WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO DESIGN WELLS APPROPRIATELY SO THAT THERE'S MINIMAL IMPACTS. ONE THING THAT I DO KNOW, AND I THINK STEVE WILL AGREE WITH ME WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HYDROGEOLOGY, YOU NEED A LOT OF DATA TO DRAW SPECIFIC GUIDELINES RIGHT? SO IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO COLLECT DATA RIGHT NOW AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AS WE SEE CHANGES. AND THAT'S WHY WHENEVER WE HAVE A PUMPING TEST, THAT IMMEDIATELY GOES TO INTERA, WHENEVER THERE'S A NEW GEOPHYSICAL LOG, IT IMMEDIATELY GOES TO INTERA AND WHAT HE'S DOING IS UPDATING THAT MODEL, AND STEVE CAN ADVISE US ON HOW TO BEST MANAGE AND HOW TO OPERATE THAT PUMPING SYSTEM. >> Hernandez: SO DOES HISTORICAL DATA NOT EXIST FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GENERATE SOMETHING FROM THIS? >> Winkelmann: SO IF YOU LOOK AT COUNTY ROAD 73 AND THE WELL FIELD THERE, THERE ARE NO WELLS THAT ARE SEVEN, 800 FEET IN THAT AREA, RIGHT ALONG THAT ROAD ON THOSE PROPERTIES WHERE WE DRILLED THE WELLS. >> Hernandez: ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY AT THAT DEPTH? >> Winkelmann: WELL, YOU'VE GOT TO -- WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT GOING -- YOU KNOW, MAKING COUNTYWIDE STATEMENTS, BECAUSE STEVE DID A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENT FORMATIONS AND THE CONFINING LAYERS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN DIP OR UP DIP FROM THE GEOLOGY AND THE AQUITARD STANDPOINT. >> Hernandez: I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT, IT'S NOT CONSISTENT ACROSS THE COUNTY, DIFFERENT -- SORRY ABOUT THAT -- WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS VERY SIMPLIFIED WAY TO COMMUNICATE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. THIS IS -- I APPRECIATE THE -- YOU KNOW, AND IF I HADN'T DONE SOME PREWORK ON THIS, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE UNDERSTOOD A LOT OF THIS, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET A SIMPLIFIED INFORMATION AND SOME SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO. OKAY? AND I'LL... THANK YOU. COUNCILWO MAN VAUGHN? >> Vaughn: WELL, MY QUESTIONS WILL BE VERY SIMPLE, THEY WON'T BE TECHNICAL. MR. YOUNG, I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE HERE. YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW GLAD I AM THAT YOU ARE HERE. I'VE BEEN REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE AREA OUT THERE FOR THE COUNTY WHERE THEY'RE DRILLING THE WELLS, SO I'VE GOT SOME SIMPLE QUESTIONS. IT'S JUST 250 ACRES ON ONE OF THEM. ARE WE DRILLING TOO MANY WELLS ON THERE? I KNOW WE HAVE TONED IT DOWN AND NOT DRILLING AS MANY. ARE THERE TOO MANY ON THAT SMALL AREA? >> THE ADVANTAGE OF DRILLING A LOT OF WELLS IS THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET MORE WATER OUT OF IT BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO -- IF YOU HAVE ONE WELL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LOT MORE DRAWDOWN IN THE ONE WELL, AND IT WILL END UP GOING INTO THE SCREEN. SO YOU'VE DRILLED -- YOU WON'T GET ANY MORE REALLY MORE WATER OUT OF THE SYSTEM BY DRILLING -- THERE'S GOING TO BE A LIMIT OF HOW MANY WELLS THAT REALLY CAN BE EFFICIENT. THE MORE WELLS, THE BETTER, IT'S JUST IT'S COSTLY AND I DON'T THINK NICK AND HIS STAFF HAVE WORKED OUT WHAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER OF WELLS TO DO TO MAKE IT COST EFFICIENT. THE -- PUTTING MORE WELLS IN DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN GET MORE WATER OUT. IT'S JUST MORE EFFICIENT. >> Vaughn: UH-HUH. >> SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A FEW WELLS THAT HAVE VERY LARGE DRAWDOWNS, YOU HAVE A FEW THAT YOU CAN MANAGE BETTER. SO THE QUESTION YOU MIGHT BE TRYING TO ASK, ARE WE TRYING TO GET TOO MUCH WATER OUT OF THAT AREA, THINKING BY YOU CAN REALLY INCREASE IT BY PUTTING A LOT MORE WELLS IN? I DON'T KNOW THAT ANSWER YET. I DON'T THINK WE KNOW IT, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT YOU COULD EASILY PUT IN 12 WELLS AND BE VERY EFFICIENT, WHETHER IT'S 16 IS -- IS THE RIGHT NUMBER OR GETS YOU MORE, WE DON'T KNOW. BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LIMIT THAT'S NOT CONTROLLED BY THE WELLS, BUT BY THE GEOLOGY OF HOW MUCH WATER YOU CAN GET OUT. THAT'S GOING TO BE THE LIMIT. >> Vaughn: WHAT ABOUT THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE WELLS. >> AGAIN, THAT COMES DOWN TO HOW COSTLY IT IS TO WELL. OBVIOUSLY YOU PUT WELLS TOGETHER THEY START INTERFERING WITH ONE ANOTHER, AND THEN THEY BECOME MORE COSTLY. IT'S -- SO IT COMES DOWN TO DESIGNING THE WELL TO MEET THE AMOUNT OF WATER YOU THINK YOU CAN WITHDRAW OUT AND STILL NOT AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS, WHICH WAS COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ WAS TALKING ABOUT. REALLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE -- IN MY OPINION, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IN MANAGING THE WATER IS THE IMPACT ON EXISTING WELLS OR PEOPLE'S PROPERTY. >> Vaughn: YES. >> AND THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT -- AND THAT'S GOING TO BE CONTROLLED MORE ABOUT HOW MUCH YOU'RE PUMPING OUT OF THERE THAN THE NUMBER OF WELLS. >> Vaughn: OKAY. WILL THERE BE SIGNS OF SUBSIDENCE BEFORE IT HAPPENS, SOMETHING -- EVEN TO THE PEOPLE'S LAND AROUND THERE, WILL THERE BE SIGNS? >> WHEN YOU START SEEING SUBSIDENCE, IT WILL -- YOU KNOW, IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH STAFF HERE, IS THAT -- ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PUTTING OUT SOME MONITORING EQUIPMENT BEFOREHAND, AND THAT IS -- THAT IS PART OF MY TASK TO DO IS TO RECOMMEND THAT. YOU BASICALLY JUST GOING TO CEMENT A GPS -- A POLE IN THE GROUND AND YOU HAVE TO PUT IT DOWN MAYBE 10 FEET AND YOU CAN GET MEASUREMENTS DAILY OF HOW THAT LAND SUBSIDENCE IS CHANGING. SO YOU REALLY WOULD WANT TO PUT THAT OUT TO ANTICIPATE THAT, BECAUSE WHEN SUBSIDENCE HAPPENS, YOU STOP PUMPING, IT US DN'T STOP IMMEDIATELY. IT MIGHT TAKE TWO YEARS FOR IT TO -- TO STOP. >> Vaughn: OKAY. >> BUT THAT PROCESS IS BEING DISCUSSED, IS TO PUT THE RIGHT MONITORING EQUIPMENT IN. AND WE HAVE A TASK TO MAKE A DESIGN FOR IT. THAT'S -- I THINK THEY HAVE -- UP IN HOUSTON, MAYBE THEY GOT 140, YOU KNOW, THESE TYPE SYSTEMS INVOLVED. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU CONSIDER THAT. >> Vaughn: I THINK THE CITY'S DONE A GOOD JOB TO TRY AND I REALLY HAVE CONFIDENCE IN NICK AND MR. ZANONI THAT THAT'S HAPPENING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS OUT THERE HAVE A FORM OF RELIEF. CAN YOU SAY ANYTHING TO THEM THAT WOULD MAKE THEM FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER? LET'S JUST SAY YOU'VE GOT ALL THOSE PUMPING. HOW LONG IS IT TAKING TO FILL IT BACK UP AND WHAT'S THE LONG-TERM RISK OF COLLAPSE? >> WELL, THERE'S NO RISK OF COLLAPSE. YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THOUSANDS OF FEET OF DRAW DOWN. WE HAVE RUN SOME CASES, IF YOU WERE TO PUMP THE AQUIFER, LIKE THREE YEARS, WITHIN SIX MONTHS, I THINK -- AT LEAST 50%. I THINK IT'S 70% OF THE WATER ACTUALLY RETURNS TO THAT PRESSURE LEVEL. EVERYTHING IS UNDER PRESSURE THERE AND IT RESPONDS MUCH QUICKER THAN IF YOU WERE JUST PUMPING IT AT GROUND SURFACE. THE WATER JUST FORCES THAT. YOU GET THAT CONE OF DEPRESSION, YOU GOT A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET DIFFERENCE SO IT'S A HUGE PRESSURE DRIVE TO PUT THAT WATER BACK INTO PLACE. AND IT COMES BACK REALLY QUICKLY. SO IF IT WERE TO HAVE PROBLEMS, THAT'S PART OF THE MANAGEMENT PLAN. I THINK NICK WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING TOGETHER. THERE WOULD BE MONITORING. IF YOU SAW SOME THRESHOLDS BEING REACHED, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE SOME TYPE OF ACTION BEFORE ANY DAMAGE WOULD BE DONE. >> Vaughn: DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT THE CITY IS DOING OUT THERE NOW? >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT COMFORTABLE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING IN THE WESTERN WELLFIELD. IN TERMS OF DESIGNING A SYSTEM FOR MONITORING, THE IDEA OF DESIGNING A MONITORING SYSTEM, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY COMMITTED TO YEAH. PUTTING IN SOME MONITORING FOR LAND SUBSIDENCE. THIS GOES WELL BEYOND WHAT'S REQUIRED. TEXAS IS THE STATE -- RULE OF CAPTURE. THEY ARE CREATED NOT TO GET RID OF RULE OF CAPTURE BUT TO MODIFY IT. THAT IS THE LAW AND IT IS ON BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR, WHICH I BELIEVE THE CITY HAS EVERY INTENT OF PUTTING A MONITORING SYSTEM IN AND FOR BOTH WATER LEVELS AND SUBSIDENCE. THEN TO LOOK, AS NICK MENTIONED, TO WORK WITH THOSE THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTED FOR WELL ASSISTANCE, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND. >> Vaughn: HOW BIG A DISTANCE WOULD IT BE FOR ANY OF THESE WELLS TO AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS? HOW BIG OF AN AREA? DO WE KNOW THAT? >> YEAH, WE HAVE SOME SIMULATIONS. DO YOU WANT TO JUMP ON THAT ONE? >> A COUPLE OF CLARIFYING THINGS. SO IN THE WESTERN WELLFIELD, CURRENTLY 12 WELLS PLANNED THAT MAY SHIFT, IT MAY DECREASE IF WE SEE SOMETHING ALARMING IN THE PUMPING TEST. THIS WAS CURRENTLY PLANNED. ALL THE WELLS ARE A MINIMUM OF A THOUSAND FEET APART. AND NONE OF THE WELLS ARE ON PROPERTY BOUNDARIES. RIGHT? SO THEY'RE FURTHER INTO THE LAND. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE OUR WELLS PRODUCING ON A PROPERTY BOUNDARY AS WELL. ONCE WE'VE GOT -- WE'VE DRILLED WELL 9, 10, AND 11, WE'RE CURRENTLY GETTING READY TO PUMP TEST WELL NO. 11. WHEN WE DID PUMP TEST WELL NO. 10, WE MEASURED THE WATER DRAW DOWN IN 9. THAT WAS MINIMAL. THOSE WELLS ARE TARGETING SIMILAR FORMATIONS BUT WE SAW VERY LITTLE DRAWDOWN, 1,000 TO 1500 FEET AWAY. WE DO HAVE A WATER-LEVEL MONITORING PLAN IN PLACE. WE'VE GOT FIVE MONITORING WELLS ON THE EASTERN WELLFIELD TO MEASURE THE DEPTH OF THE WATER IN THAT UPPER FORMATION. YOU WILL PROBABLY END UP HAVING SIX OR SEVEN MONITORING WELLS IN THE WESTERN WELLFIELD. >> Vaughn: I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DISTANCE THE CITIZENS SHOULD BE CONCERNED OUT THERE. BECAUSE YOU'RE OUT THERE. YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF WHAT I CALL A RIVER OF PEOPLE CLOSE TO YOU. I'M WONDERING HOW FAR OUT IT WOULD AFFECT, HAS IT AFFECTED ANYBODY THAT WE KNOW OF? AND IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN IF IT DID AFFECT, WHAT WOULD THE CITY DO TO HELP THEM? >> A COUPLE OF POINTS. I THINK THOSE ARE EXCELLENT QUESTIONS. A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I DO WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE. LIKE ON THE EASTERN WELLFIELD, THERE'S EIGHT WELLS. DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE RUNNING ALL EIGHT AT THE SAME TIME SIMULTANEOUSLY. WE HAVE AN OPERATION MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THERE'S GENERATOR ISSUES, WHEN THERE'S PUMP ISSUES. YOU'VE GOT TO BUILD IN A REDUNDANCY. THE OTHER THING WE REALLY RECOMMEND, WE HAVE PERMANENT STAFF AT EACH WELLFIELD. PEOPLE CAN APPROACH US AND LET US KNOW IF THEY ARE AWARE OF AN ISSUE, WE WANT TO INVESTIGATE IT. WE DON'T WANT TO JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS. WE WANT TO INVESTIGATE IT AND IDEALLY GET SOME DATA THAT WILL HELP GUIDE OUR OPERATIONAL DECISIONS GOING FORWARD AS WELL. >> Vaughn: BUT THE FINAL QUESTION IS: IF SOMETHING HAPPENS OUT THERE TO ANY OF THOSE LAND OWNERS' WELLS, THE CITY WILL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT AND FIND A SOLUTION? >> Zanoni: THAT'S CORRECT, COUNCILWOMAN. WE WILL DO THAT. A FEW FOLKS HAVE APPROACHED ME SAYING THEIR WELLS ARE HAVING ISSUES. BUT IT'S NOT CAUSED FROM OUR WELLS. IT MAY BE FROM THE LACK OF RAIN. WE'RE IN A DROUGHT. HOWEVER, WHAT WE'VE PROMISED -- AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING OUT THERE SOON. THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF OUR FIRST COMMUNITY MEETINGS. IS TO MAKE SURE THE COMMUNITY KNOWS WHO WE ARE AND WE WILL HELP THEM IF THERE'S AN ISSUE. >> Vaughn: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN BARRERA. >> Barrera: THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND THANK YOU, DR. YOUNG, FOR THAT PhD PRESENTATION AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL. YOU KNOW, NICK, DON'T GO TOO FAR BECAUSE MY QUESTIONS ARE REALLY FOR YOU. WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE MODELING PROCESS. AT WHAT POINT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS? I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT'S INFORMATION AS IT BECOMES AVAILABLE, MONITORING DATA, EXISTING MONITORING WELLS, WORKING ON ADJUSTED SPATIAL OF DISTRIBUTION. AT WHAT POINT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS? >> WE DO HAVE -- I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR STEVE, BUT WE DO HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM INTERA AND THAT'S 11 MGD, SUSTAINABLE PUMPING AT THE EASTERN WELLFIELD, AND 17 MGD ADDED THE WESTERN WELLFIELD. AND I HAVE STATED IN A LOT OF THE WATER SUPPLY UPDATES, THE DATA KEEPS GETTING FED BACK TO STEVE IN THE MODEL SO THAT HE CAN UPDATE IT AND LET US KNOW IF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS EITHER GO UP OR GO DOWN. WHENEVER NEW DATA IS AVAILABLE, WE PROVIDE IT TO STEVE AND THEN HE UPDATES US. THE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE IS THAT THE INTERA WORK ON THIS GROUNDWATER MODEL IS VERY SUBSTANTIAL. THE NUMBER OF CELLS AND THE DEPTHS THAT WORK HAS NOT BEEN DONE PREVIOUSLY. SO WHAT THEY'RE DEVELOPING IS AN EXCELLENT MODEL FOR THE CITY TO UTILIZE WELL INTO THE FUTURE. >> Barrera: WHICHEVER GCD IS DEVELOPED, OBVIOUSLY THAT DATA WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO UTILIZE TO BE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER THIS RECOMMENDATION OF MAXIMUM UTILIZATION. >> THE DATA THAT IS COMPILED IS IMPORTANT TO SHARE. A LOT OF THE DATA THAT STEVE HAS UTILIZED TO BUILD A BASELINE FOR THAT MODEL WASN'T CITY DATA. BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD WELLS EXCEPT FOR THOSE '80s AND '90s WELLS. BUT HE USED DATA FROM OTHERS AS WAS AVAILABLE FROM THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, FROM OTHER GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICTS. TO PROTECT THE RESOURCE, THE DATA IS IMPORTANT AND WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY SHARE IT. >> Barrera: IS THERE ANY REGULATORY REQUIREMENT THAT WE SHARE IT? I MEAN, YOU JUST SAID THAT WE SHOULD BUT DOES THE STATE OF TEXAS REQUIRE -- WE'RE SUBJECT TO OPEN RECORDS. >> YEAH. I WILL SAY THIS. SO WHENEVER A WELL IS DRILLED WITHIN THE STATE, IT IS THE OBLIGATION OF THE LICENSED WATER WELL DRILLER TO SUBMIT THAT DATA TO THE STATE SO IT BE INCLUDED IN THE DATABASE. NOW, ADDITIONALLY, TAKING IT BACK TO THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, IF THERE ARE RESIDENTS DRILLING A WELL FOR IRRIGATION, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A 50-FOOT WELL, THE LICENSED WATER WELL DRILLER HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SUBMIT LOGS TO THE STATE AND ALSO TO THE AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY DISTRICT, JUST SO THAT WE CAN TRACK THE AMOUNT OF WATER BEING UTILIZED. >> Barrera: AND THE REASON I ASK THAT IS THERE'S OBVIOUSLY CONCERN ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. SO IF WE HAVE INFORMATION WE SUBMIT TO THE STATE, THEN ONCE AGAIN THERE'S A REGULATORY REQUIREMENT SO THAT WAY ANY INDIVIDUAL OR ANY ENGINEERING FIRM OR ANYBODY THAT'S EMPLOYED HAS THE ABILITY TO GO AND GET THAT INFORMATION. >> IT'S ON A STATE DATABASE. THEY HAVE THE WELLS MAPPED. IT'S ACTUALLY A PRETTY ROBUST DATABASE. YES SIR. >> Barrera: I SAW IT AND SOMEBODY SENT IT TO ME. I WAS JUST -- ANYWAY. IT'S JUST LIKE ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. I FELT LIKE DURING MR. YOUNG'S PRESENTATION, I FELT LIKE CHARLIE BROWN BACK FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN HIS TEACHER WAS TALKING. BUT OKAY. SO GOING BACK TO THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS. NOW, IS THERE A REGULATORY REQUIREMENT WITH REGARD TO -- I KNOW THESE CGCs, OBVIOUSLY CITY COUNCIL DECIDES -- IT HAS TO GO BEFORE US OR THE INFORMATION HAS TO COME BEFORE US TO BE ABLE TO MAKE DECISIONS. BUT OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS. SO ARE THERE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS THAT RESTRICT US FROM OVERUTILIZING THESE WELLS? >> THERE'S NO STATE OR FEDERAL GUIDELINES THAT WOULD RESTRICT US FROM OPERATING THE WELLS. HOWEVER, CAVEAT, WE DO HAVE A BED AND BANKS PERMIT FOR THE EASTERN WELLFIELD. THE BED AND BANKS PERMIT PROVIDES CERTAIN PROTOCOLS ON THE WATER THAT -- WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY THE OVERALL QUANTITY AND QUALITY OF THE WATER AND HOW IT'S REFLECTIVE IN THE RIVER. >> Barrera: I GUESS WE HAVE TO REPORT THAT INFORMATION BACK TO THE STATE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE DO A MONTHLY -- WHAT'S CALLED A MONTH DIVERSION REQUEST. WE INFORM THE STATE HOW MUCH WATER WE WILL BE PUMPING. AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME ANY INFORMATION, DATA OBTAINED, THE STATE, THROUGH THE WATER MASTER, CAN REVIEW IT. >> Barrera: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS EVOLVING. YOU SAID THE RECOMMENDATION IS 11 MGD FOR THE EASTERN AND 17 FOR -- >> THAT'S CORRECT. WITH THE CAVEAT THAT AS MORE DATA IS PROVIDED, WE'LL RELY ON INTERA'S PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT AND TO TELL US YOU NEED TO ADJUST THIS. >> Barrera: HOW OFTEN WILL WE BE REVIEWING THAT? >> AS THE DATA BECOMES AVAILABLE. THESE WELLS IN NUECES COUNTY ARE MEANT TO GET US THROUGH DROUGHT CONDITIONS. THESE ARE CRITICAL ASSETS FOR THE CITY. WE HAVE EVERY INTENTION, THE CITY AND CCW, OF MAINTAINING THOSE ASSETS. LET'S GO INTO A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION WHEN THE WESTERN RESERVOIRS RECOVER, WE'RE NOT RELYING UPON THOSE WELLS. WE WILL EXERCISE THEM ONCE A MONTH. WE WILL MAINTAIN THEM. BUT WE WILL NOT BE DOING THE DAILY PUMPING. >> Barrera: HOW MANY TEST WELLS DO WE HAVE? >> SO THE DRILLING PROGRAM HAS BEEN -- WE SET UP OVER A WELL -- LIKE THE FIRST WELL ON THE WESTERN WELLFIELD, WE'LL DRILL A PILOT HOLE, WHICH IS 12 INCHES IN DIAMETER TO A CERTAIN DEPTH, DO THE GEOPHYSICAL LOGGING AND DESIGN THE WELL AND CONVERT THAT TO A PRODUCTION WELL. THERE'S ALSO MONITORING WELLS. THOSE ARE SMALL-DIAMETER WELLS TYPICALLY 4 INCHES IN DIAMETER. AND THERE'S NO PUMPS IN THOSE WELLS. JUST WATER LEVEL MEASURING EQUIPMENT WHERE WE CAN MONITOR THE WATER LEVELS IN THE FORMATIONS. >> Barrera: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK AND THE DILIGENCE OF YOUR STAFF AND DR. YOUNG. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. OKAY. SO 17 IS THE RECOMMENDED, I THOUGHT? I THOUGHT IT WAS 12. >> Zanoni: NO, THERE'S 12 WELLS THAT WILL PRODUCE 17 MILLION GALLONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: 17 MGD. >> Zanoni: 17 MGD IN THE WESTERN WELLFIELD. THAT WOULD HAVE 12 WELLS. >> Mayor Guajardo: EIGHT WELLS WITH 11 ON THE EASTERN -- >> Zanoni: CORRECT. >> Mayor Guajardo: WAS THE QUESTION ANSWERED WHO WOULD CREATE THE WELL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM? >> THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WORK -- CCW WOULD WORK WITH INTERA TO CONTINUE TO GAIN RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID, WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING IN AN AREA THAT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH BOTH THE EASTERN AND WESTERN WELLFIELDS SO THAT WE CAN EXCHANGE INFORMATION. >> Mayor Guajardo: BUT CREATING AN ACTUAL WELL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IS SOMETHING THAT IS BOTH SIDES WOULD HAVE IN HAND, THAT BOTH SIDES WOULD SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GO BY. YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS FROM NOW WHO'S GOING TO BE SITTING HERE. WHO'S GOING TO BE IN YOUR CHAIR? IT COULD BE YOU. OR NOT. SO THERE HAS TO BE SOME PLAN, THAT REGARDLESS OF WHO IS IN THE POSITIONS, HAVE TO FALL BACK ON AS OPPOSED TO WE SAID WE WOULD HELP THE COMMUNITY. >> Zanoni: IT WILL BE A CITY COUNCIL-APPROVED PROGRAM. >> Mayor Guajardo: Y'ALL WILL CREATE IT? >> Zanoni: YES. AND IT WILL COME TO CITY COUNCIL. I CAN'T WRITE CHECKS. THE COUNCIL HAS TO DELEGATE THAT AUTHORITY TO US. HOWEVER, ON TODAY'S AGENDA, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WESTERN WELLFIELDS, FOR FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE AND LISTENING. FOR THE EVANGELINE PROJECT, WE ALREADY HAVE A PROGRAM FOR THREE ENTITIES THAT IS ON THE AGENDA FOR CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. THAT INCLUDES THE CITY OF SINTON, THE COMMUNITY OF ST. PAUL, ST. PAUL WATER CORPORATION, AS WELL AS THE MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE THAT IS IN THE WAELDER PARK IN SAN PATRICIO. JUST ADJACENT TO SINTON. THAT ONE'S DONE. THAT ONE'S BEEN REVIEWED BY THE TWO PARTIES. WE'RE WORKING WITH THE GOLF COURSE OPERATOR. THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE TERMS. SO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT IS WHAT WE'LL CREATE FOR THE WESTERN AND EASTERN NUECES COUNTY WELLFIELDS. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Zanoni: YES, MA'AM. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU BOTH FOR THIS INCREDIBLY ROBUST PRESENTATION. IT WAS VERY, VERY FASCINATING AND INTERESTING TO SEE THE LAYERS AND DEPTHS OF THE DIFFERENT AQUIFERS AND THE MATERIALS AND THE COMPOSITIONS THEREIN AND HOW THE ROLE THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI PLAYS IN THE FUTURE OF THESE RESOURCES. TO ME, THE PRESENTATION HERE, WHILE IT PRESENTED A TRULY DEPTH -- DEEP INFORMATION BASE, IT ALSO SIGNALS, I THINK, A VERY STRONG MESSAGE OF THE INTEREST THAT CCW AND CORPUS CHRISTI HAS IN DOING A VERY THOROUGH EXAMINATION AND RESEARCH ON HOW WE PROGRESS UTILIZING EACH OF THESE RESOURCES. I DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S SOME MEMBERS FROM OUR NEIGHBORS IN SINTON HERE TODAY. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THEIR PRESENCE BUT I HOPE THAT THIS IS A GOOD SNAPSHOT OF HOW INTERESTED WE ARE IN BEING GOOD PARTNERS WITH THESE RESOURCES AND BEING RESPONSIBLE WITH THE USE. AS OUR CITY MANAGER SAID, WORKING TOGETHER TO FIND SOLUTIONS THAT CARE FOR THE INTERESTS AND THE WELL-BEING LONG TERM FOR EACH OF THESE PARTNERS. IT WAS REALLY GREAT INFORMATION. I'M THANKFUL FOR THE HANDOUT AS WELL SO WE CAN KEEP THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THIS PROGRESS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. NICK, THANK YOU. DR. YOUNG, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. WE APPRECIATE IT. IF WE HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS AS WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS OUR EVANGELINE ITEM. I KNOW WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE WAITING FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. I'M GOING TO MOVE INTO ITEM NO. 20 AND THEN WE'LL BREAK FOR LUNCH. SO THAT IS A ONE-READING ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF A GROUNDWATER RIGHTS PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT WITH EVANGELINE LAGUNA, LP. EXECUTION OF AN INTERLOCAL COOPERATION AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF SINTON AND AN AGREEMENT WITH ST. PAUL WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION FOR POSSIBLE REMEDIATION ACTIVITIES DUE TO THE EVANGELINE GROUNDWATER PROJECT. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. NICK WINKLEMANN, CHIEF INTERIM OPERATING OFFICER OF CORPUS CHRISTI WATER. THE BACKGROUND OF THE AGREEMENT. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTH OF SINTON, TEXAS IN SAN PATRICIO COUNTY. THE PARCEL IS LOCATED WITHIN THE SAN PAT GROUNDWATER CONTROL DISTRICT. EVANGELINE LAGUNA, LP, WHICH IS THE ENTITY THIS AGREEMENT WOULD BE WITH, HAS GROUNDWATER RIGHTS FOR 22,789 ACRES OF LAND. THAT PROPERTY IS OWNED BY DIFFERENT ENTITIES. THE EVANGELINE GROUNDWATER RIGHTS EQUATE ANNUALLY TO APPROXIMATELY 24 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. THE COST FOR THE CITY TO PURCHASE THESE WATER RIGHTS IN PERPETUITY IS $169,491,700. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP ON THE LEFT, YOU CAN SEE THE GREEN AREA IS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. ALSO SHOWN ON THE SCREEN IS THE CITY OF SINTON AS WELL AS THE ST. PAUL WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION. BOTH THE CITY OF SINTON AND THE ST. PAUL WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION UTILIZE GROUNDWATER WELLS TO SERVE THEIR CUSTOMERS. ON SEPTEMBER 23, THE CITY AND EVANGELINE LAGUNA AGREED TO ENTER AN AGREEMENT FOR THE FEE SIMPLE PURCHASE OF THE GROUNDWATER RIGHTS WITH THE FOLLOWING TERMS: THE CITY WILL PAY A NON-REFUNDABLE $1 MILLION EARNEST AND OPTION PAYMENT FOR 120-DAY DUE DILIGENCE OR YOU CAN CALL IT AN INSPECTION PERIOD AS WELL. ADDITIONALLY, THERE WILL BE $3.25 MILLION ESCROWED AT THE END OF THE INSPECTION PERIOD. THIS AMOUNT WOULD BE SUBTRACTED FROM THE TOTAL PURCHASE PRICE. EVANGELINE LAGUNA, WITHIN 180 DAYS, WILL PROVIDE THE FOLLOWING: THEY'LL PROVIDE CLEAR AND INDEFEASIBLE GROUNDWATER RIGHTS. SURFACE USE AGREEMENTS. THOSE ARE SURFACE USE AGREEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PRENEGOTIATED WITH THE LANDOWNERS, THE SUBJECT LANDOWNERS. AND THOSE SURFACE RIGHTS AGREEMENTS ARE CRITICAL SO THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN BE DEVELOPED AND PUT INTO PLACE SO CONSTRUCTION CAN OCCUR. THEY WILL ALSO PROVIDE NON-APPEALABLE DRILLING AND TRANSPORT PERMITS. AS WAS SAID EARLIER, THEY ALREADY HAVE A PRODUCTION PERMIT IN HAND. BUT THAT WILL BE TRANSFERRED TO THE CITY AS PART OF THE CONDITION TO CLOSE. COUNCIL HAS PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED A NUMBER OF AGREEMENTS SO THAT THE CITY AND CCW CAN MOVE FORWARD IN OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND THE PRE-ENGINEERING OF THIS PROJECT. UNDERSTANDING THAT TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE, WE HAVE HAD CONTRACTS APPROVED FOR ATTORNEYS, FOR A PROPERTY SURVEYOR AND VARIOUS ENGINEERING ENTITIES. THE ENGINEERING TEAM CONSISTS OF PAPE-DAWSON ENGINEERS, HANSON CONSULTANTS, AND INTERA, INCORPORATED AS WELL. AS STEVE YOUNG STATED EARLIER. ADDITIONALLY THE OTHER ENGINEERING FIRM WORKING ON THIS PROJECT WITH THIS TEAM IS HDR. THEY ARE DOING SO UNDER ANOTHER CONTRACT, BUT THEY ARE A BIG PART OF THE TEAM. THE NEXT STEPS IS THE ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING EXECUTION OF THE GROUNDWATER RIGHTS PURCHASE AND SALES AGREEMENT. ADDITIONALLY, THE EXECUTION OF AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF SINTON. AND A FUTURE AGREEMENT WITH THE ST. PAUL WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION. THESE AGREEMENTS WOULD PROVIDE REMEDIATION ACTIVITIES THAT MAY BE FORTHCOMING AS A RESULT OF THE EVANGELINE GROUNDWATER PROJECT. THE FY26 CAPITAL BUDGET WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED AS WELL TO PROVIDE FOR FUNDING UNDER THE CAPITAL FUND. THE TIMELINE FOR THIS PROJECT. AGAIN, THERE ARE CONCURRENT PERIODS THAT ARE GOING ON. THE CITY'S DUE DILIGENCE PRE-ENGINEERING PERIOD IS 120 DAYS. THE EVANGELINE LAGUNA PERIOD IS 180 DAYS, AND THAT'S TO PROVIDE THOSE KEY COMPONENTS, WHICH ARE THE PERMITS AND SECURE THE GROUNDWATER RIGHTS FOR THE CITY TO REVIEW. AND THEN ALSO TO PROVIDE ALL OF THE SURFACE USE AGREEMENTS AS WELL. THE CITY'S PRE-INSPECTION PERIOD WILL CONSIST OF MANY TASKS. WE WILL REVIEW ACCESS TO PROPOSED WELL LOCATIONS. AS Y'ALL KNOW, ACCESS IS VERY CRITICAL. WE WILL REVIEW AND CONFIRM THE WELLFIELD LAYOUT, IDENTIFY EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MAY IMPEDE A WELLFIELD LAYOUT. WE'RE WORKING WITH THE ENGINEERING TEAM, WHICH AGAIN IS PAPE-DAWSON, HANSON, AND INTERA WORKING WITH AEP, THE ELECTRICAL PROVIDER TO UNDERSTAND THE ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE'S ADDITIONAL REVIEW OF THE TITLE AND SURFACE USE AGREEMENTS. DR. STEVE YOUNG IS WORKING ON THE HYDROGEOLOGY AND CONTINUE TO CONFIRM THOSE ASSUMPTIONS. AND THEN OF COURSE THE LAND SURVEY TO CONFIRM THE AMOUNT OF ACRES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PURCHASE. WITH THAT, I WILL STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: YES. I KNOW WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS. HAVE WE GOTTEN THE SURVEY RESULTS YET? >> Zanoni: WE DID. MILES JUST GOT THE FINAL INFORMATION THIS MORNING, I BELIEVE. >> Risley: YEAH. WE DID JUST GET THE FINAL INFORMATION AND IT DID COME UP A BIT SHORT, LIKE WE ACTUALLY HAD EXPECTED. LOOKS LIKE WE'RE BETWEEN 800 ACRES AND 1400 ACRES SHORT. >> Hernandez: DOES THAT CHANGE THE PRODUCTION PERMITS? >> Risley: IT COULD RESULT IN A CHANGE TO THE PRODUCTION PERMITS. >> Hernandez: SO OUR TERM SHEET WAS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF ACRE FEET OF WATER THAT WE CAN PRODUCE. IT WOULD REFLECT ON THE PRICE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> Risley: THERE IS AN ADJUSTMENT CLAUSE IN THE CONTRACT THAT WILL REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF THE CONTRACT FOR REDUCED PRODUCTION CAPACITIES IN THE PERMITS. >> Hernandez: THAT WILL ALL BE DETERMINED WITHIN THE SIX-MONTH WINDOW? >> Risley: YES. >> Hernandez: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN BARRERA. >> Barrera: CAN YOU -- WE JUST KIND OF GLAZED OVER THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THOSE ENTAIL? >> I CAN PROVIDE DETAILS ON THAT. SO WORKING SPECIFICALLY WITH OUR PARTNERS IN SINTON, THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WOULD ALLOW FOR, IN MY OPINION, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS AN INTERCONNECT. IT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE CITY OF SINTON THE INTERCONNECT WITH OUR WELLFIELD SO THAT IN TIMES IN THEIR EXISTING WELL PUMPS WENT DOWN FOR ANY NUMBER OF REASONS, IT MIGHT BE ELECTRICAL STRIKE TAKING OUT THE MOTOR. IT COULD BE A MECHANICAL FAILURE. IF THEY NEEDED TO, THEY COULD TIE INTO OUR RAW WATER SYSTEM. INTERCONNECTION AGREEMENTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. THEY CERTAINLY BOLSTER BOTH PARTIES WORKING ON THE AGREEMENT. NOW, ADDITIONALLY, THE CITY, IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES RESULTING FROM THE OPERATION OF THE EVANGELINE WELLFIELD, THE CITY WILL WORK WITH THE CITY OF SINTON TO IDENTIFY THE CAUSE AND THEN REMEDY THOSE ISSUES. DURING THE REMEDY OF THE ISSUES, THE CITY WOULD PROVIDE WATER AT NO COST. ADDITIONALLY, I DO WANT TO BACK UP. I FORGOT TO MENTION IT. IF THERE IS A MECHANICAL DEFECT, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT PART OF -- HAS NOT BEEN CAUSED BY THE OPERATION OF THE EVANGELINE WELLFIELD, THE CITY OF SINTON CAN INTERCONNECT WITH OUR RAW WATER SYSTEM AT THE EVANGELINE WELLFIELD FOR A PERIOD OF 60 DAYS. AFTER 60 DAYS THEY WILL PAY OUR RAW WATER RATE, IF BY CHANCE THEY NEEDED THAT. >> Barrera: WITH ST. PAUL, WHAT ARE THE DETAILS? >> IT WOULD BE A VERY SIMILAR AGREEMENT. WE MET WITH -- THE CITY MANAGER AND I MET WITH THE ST. PAUL WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION. IT WAS A VERY GOOD MEETING. WE IDENTIFIED AND LINED OUT THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT. AND THEY WERE VERY RECEPTIVE. SO IT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR. THE ST. PAUL WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION -- THE AGREEMENT IS DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT A GOVERNMENT ENTITY. THEY ARE A NONPROFIT CORPORATION THOUGH. >> Barrera: OKAY. HOW DOES THEIR REGULATORY PROCESS WORK THEN? I MEAN, SUPPOSE THEY SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT YOU. I MEAN, WHO DOES IT GO TO? DO THEY HAVE A BOARD? >> Zanoni: RIGHT. THEY HAVE LIKE A CEO OR A GENERAL MANAGER AND THEN THEY HAVE A BOARD OF DIRECTORS. AND SO THIS TYPE OF AGREEMENT, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY, DOESN'T NEED CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. BUT WE ARE ADVISING CITY COUNCIL ABOUT IT. IT'S SIMILAR TO THE SINTON ONE. THEY HAVE A COPY OF IT. SIMILAR TO SINTON, THEY HAVEN'T OBJECTED TO ANY OF THE ITEMS NOR HAVE THEY ASKED FOR ANY ADDITIONAL MATERIAL TO BE ADDED INTO THE AGREEMENTS. SO WE'RE CONFIDENT THAT THE AGREEMENTS ARE MUTUALLY SATISFACTORY. >> Barrera: THE CITY OF SINTON OBVIOUSLY HAS TO BRING THIS BEFORE THEIR COUNCIL. >> Zanoni: THEY WILL AND WE'RE GOING TO GO BEFORE THEIR COUNCIL MEETING WHEN THEY DO THAT. THEY ARE HERE. THE MAYOR IS HERE AND THEIR CITY MANAGER. WE TOLD THEM WHEN YOU PUT IT ON YOUR AGENDA, WE WILL DO A BRIEFING. >> Barrera: ON THE OFF CHANCE THEY DON'T SUPPORT IT, WHERE DO WE GO FROM THERE? >> Zanoni: WE CONTINUE TO TALK, SEE WHAT THEIR ISSUES ARE, AND FIND A MUTUALLY-COMMON GROUND. >> Barrera: HOW MUCH TIME DO I HAVE REBECCA? >> [OFF MIC] >> Barrera: MAN, A LOT OF TIME. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO -- SO FAR WE'VE SPENT -- OR AT LEAST FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT -- BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE SPENT TONS OF MAN HOURS REVIEWING EVANGELINE AND NEGOTIATING OVER THE PAST DECADE, PROBABLY. AND I KNOW VERY MUCH SO LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE THEN. SO THAT WAY WE'VE COME TO THIS POINT. SO WE -- BUT FOR RIGHT NOW WE'VE EXPENDED -- WE'VE ENCUMBERED $928,000. >> Zanoni: YES, SIR. >> Barrera: AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL MILLION OF NON-REFUNDABLE EARNEST MONEY? >> Barrera: CORRECT. >> Zanoni: WHERE DID THOSE FUNDS COME FROM? >> Zanoni: THE FUNDS ARE COMING FROM THE WATER FUND. >> Barrera: THE WATER CAPITAL FUND? >> THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE HAVE HAD -- THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RECENTLY-BID PROJECTS THAT CAME IN UNDER PROJECT. SO IF YOU REMEMBER, THE $900,000, WE USED THAT CIP SAVINGS FROM THE CAPITAL FUND TO FUND THAT PORTION OF THE PROJECT. >> Barrera: AND THE MILLION DOLLARS, HAVE WE THOUGHT WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE CONSEQUENCE ASSOCIATED WITH -- I GUESS IF IT'S $169 MILLION, IT'S ACTUALLY $170 MILLION BECAUSE WE'RE LOSING A MILLION DOLLARS OF EARNEST MONEY? >> YEAH. IT WOULD BE 169 PLUS THE MILLION. THAT'S CORRECT. WHERE THE OTHER ESCROW IS SUBTRACTED FROM THAT. >> Barrera: I'M SURE WE DON'T HAVE $170 MILLION OF SAVINGS THAT WE'VE HAD -- >> Zanoni: NO. >> THAT'S RIGHT. YOU'RE CORRECT. >> Barrera: SO WHERE'S THAT -- WHAT DOES THAT OFFSET OR ARE WE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT RATE ADJUSTMENTS NEXT YEAR? >> THE FUNDING FOR THAT WE WILL DO -- THE EXPENDITURE WILL BE REIMBURSED THROUGH REVENUE BONDS. AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT -- SO THERE WILL BE A RATE IMPACT. SO WORKING WITH CAMILLE AND THE NEW GEN TEAM, THE $169 MILLION PLUS OR MINUS FOR 30 YEARS WITH A 5% INTEREST RATE, IT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY A 29-CENT PER THOUSAND GALLON INCREASE FOR THAT IMPACT. I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT OTHER EXPENSES, BECAUSE WE WILL BE EMBARKING ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT WHICH INCLUDES WATER LINES, ROADS, WELLS, ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL. >> Barrera: SO HOW MUCH OF THAT -- SO -- >> SO THE AMOUNT I JUST QUOTED IS FOR THE $169 MILLION. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT IS ON THE TASK OF PAPE-DAWSON ON THEIR TASK LIST IS TO PROVIDE A DETAILED ENGINEER'S OPINION OF PROBABLE CONSTRUCTION COST AS WELL AS TIMELINES, DETAILED TIMELINES FOR PROJECT EXECUTION. THAT'S ON THEIR TASK LIST. >> Barrera: AT WHAT POINT -- I MEAN, FOR THE PUBLIC, WOULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN TO THEM HOW WE CAME TO DETERMINE $169,491,700? >> SO THAT WAS PART OF THE NEGOTIATION EFFORTS. AS YOU ALLUDED TO, COUNCILMAN, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH THE EVANGELINE LAGUNA ENTITY. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE -- AND I'VE SAID THIS WITH A NUMBER OF PEOPLE -- LOCATION IS IMPORTANT. THAT PROXIMITY TO THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE IS VERY CRITICAL, SO THERE'S TREMENDOUS VALUE TO THAT. ADDITIONALLY -- AND I WANT TO REITERATE THIS IS A CONDITION OF CLOSE -- THE TRANSFER, OBTAINING THOSE PERMITS AND TRANSFERRING THOSE PERMITS TO THE CITY IS ULTRA CRITICAL AND ULTRA IMPORTANT. THOSE ARE ALL COMPONENTS OF THAT PRICE. >> Zanoni: I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT WE DID NEGOTIATE THE PRICE. YOU MENTIONED IT, COUNCILMAN. WE WORKED ON SEVERAL BUSINESS PROPOSALS FOR THE EVANGELINE WATER. MOST RECENTLY, PRIOR TO THIS ONE, IT WAS A TAKE-OR-PAY CONTRACT. THIS ONE WAS AN OUTRIGHT WATER RIGHT PURCHASE. WHEN WE BEGAN NEGOTIATING WITH THE EVANGELINE GROUP, THEIR INITIAL SALES PRICE WAS $197 MILLION. BUT THROUGH SEVERAL MEETINGS, WE GOT A BETTER PRICE FOR THE RATEPAYER AND FINALLY ENDED UP ON THEIR FINAL AND BEST OFFER, WHICH WAS $169 MILLION. >> Barrera: DID WE MAKE AN INITIAL OFFER? >> Zanoni: NO, THEY MADE THE INITIAL OFFER. >> Barrera: WE JUST AUTOMATICALLY STARTED IT THERE. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. WE STARTED AT THEIRS. THAT INCLUDED AN APPRAISAL, IF YOU WILL, FROM A RECOGNIZED FIRM THAT WE ACTUALLY TRIED TO USE IN SOME OF OUR PROJECTS. THERE'S SOME DOCUMENTATION -- I THINK IT'S A 40, 50-PAGE REPORT THAT SUBSTANTIATES THE STARTING POINT OF $197 MILLION. YES SIR. >> Barrera: SO THEY SUBSTANTIATED ON THAT PROPOSAL $197 MILLION? >> Zanoni: YES. >> Barrera: THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION. I WAS GOING IN A DIRECTION HERE AND I GOT THROWN OFF. HOW MUCH TIME DO I HAVE? TWO MINUTES? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 2:22. I USED TO LOVE THAT SHOW. GOES OVER A LOT OF PEOPLE'S HEADS, I'M SURE. RIGHT NOW, THIS IS ASSUMING THAT ALL -- HOW MANY WELLS IS THIS? >> SO THERE'S TWO EXISTING WELLS ON THE PROPERTY. THOSE WELLS WERE DRILLED FOR TEST PUMPING AND AQUIFER TESTING THAT INTERA DID. THOSE WELLS WOULD BE CONVEYED TO THE CITY AND THEN WE, CCW, THE CITY PLANS TO DRILL AN ADDITIONAL 22 WELLS. >> Barrera: 22 WELLS. ASSUMING THAT -- I MEAN, FROM A STANDPOINT THAT PERMITS ARE ONLY RECEIVED FOR TEN WELLS. NOW, THE AGREEMENT SAYS ALL -- IT SAYS FOR ALL WELLS. SO WHAT HAPPENS AT THAT POINT -- LET'S SAY, FOR EXAMPLE -- BECAUSE I WAS VERY MUCH ON BOARD WHEN THERE WAS A ROYALTY REQUESTED BECAUSE I HAD THOUGHT THAT 10 TO 12 MGD WOULD BE WORKABLE. AND SO AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO WHAT HAPPENS IF WE ONLY COME BACK WITH 10 WELLS OR 12 WELLS? >> SO THE 22 NEW WELL PERMITS ARE A CONDITION OF CLOSING. SO IT'S UP TO THE CITY'S DISCRETION ON WHETHER WE CLOSE OR NOT. >> Barrera: THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO US AND SAY -- I MEAN, AND FOR A REDUCED COST? ARE WE GOING TO TRY TO RENEGOTIATE THAT $169 MILLION? >> I DON'T WANT TO INTERJECT. I'LL ALWAYS LET THE ATTORNEYS ANSWER THIS AND THEY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. BUT THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RENEGOTIATE IF THEY DON'T MEET THE TERMS OF CLOSING. DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY, MILES? >> Risley: YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS ORDINANCE ACTUALLY HAS A MANDATED CONDITION OF CLOSING WITHIN IT. AND ONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS OF CLOSING IS THAT EVANGELINE LAGUNA RECEIVES FINAL, NON-APPEALABLE PERMITS REQUIRED UNDER THE RULES FOR THE DRILLING OF 22 NEW GROUNDWATER WELLS ON THE REAL PROPERTY OF SUFFICIENT DESIGN TO PRODUCE WATER FOR MUNICIPAL USE. APPROVAL FOR THE ASSIGNMENT OF THAT WATER WELL PRODUCTION PERMIT ISSUED IN THE NAME OF EVANGELINE LAGUNA, LP, DATED 2019 AND RENEWED ON JANUARY 21, 2025. AND A TRANSPORTATION PERMIT AUTHORIZING THE TRANSPORT OF NO FEWER THAN 28,486-ACRE FEET PER YEAR OF GROUNDWATER OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE DISTRICT FOR USE WITHIN THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI'S SERVICE AREA. SO IF THEY DON'T PROVIDE ALL THAT IN ORDER TO CLOSE, THE STAFF WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL TO MODIFY THAT CONDITION. >> Barrera: OKAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I GUESS THAT'S THE THING. I GUESS THEN ONCE AGAIN WHAT DOES THAT DO? THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CONCERN ME. I GUESS NO. 1, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE THE -- I WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS TIED IN WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE TERMS OF THIS CONTRACT. AND THE REASON BEING, WHICH I THINK I KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S THE SUPPORT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. BUT IF THERE WASN'T THE APPETITE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, THEN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS WOULDN'T APPLY. ANYWAY, SO I'M A LITTLE DISTURBED BY THAT, BUT OKAY. THAT'S THE WAY STAFF DECIDED TO DO IT. WHAT IS IT, THEN -- AND ONCE AGAIN THAT GOES BACK TO MY FRUSTRATION OF THE RUSH AND I THINK THERE'S SOME -- I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS -- A LOT OF TIMES WHEN I STARTED OUT AS A SALESMAN, I WAS ALWAYS ANXIOUS TO GET THE DEAL DONE AND I NEVER SUFFERED FROM CALL RELUCTANCE. OKAY. I'LL GET BACK BECAUSE I HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS TO ASK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: WELL, THE RUSH IS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY WATER. WE'RE IN A DROUGHT AND HAD PREVIOUS COUNCILS DID SOMETHING OTHER THAN JUST DESAL AND LOOK FOR WATER, WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS SITUATION RIGHT NOW. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO DO BEFORE WE CLOSE. ON BOTH SIDES. SO I'M HOPING THAT THAT HAPPENS. I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU'VE GOT SUCH A GOOD TEAM WITH YOU AND IT'S A GREAT LIST OF PEOPLE. SO I HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE IT'S GOING TO GET DONE. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. THE WATER QUALITY. CAN STEVE YOUNG SPEAK TO THAT? >> I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. >> Vaughn: I KNEW YOU COULD. >> THERE'S BEEN TWO WELLS DRILLED, ONE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPOSED WELLFIELD AND ONE ON THE WESTERN SIDE. BOTH ARE PRODUCING WATER. ABOUT 800 -- EXCUSE ME. ONE WAS 800 TDS. THE OTHER ONE WAS, I THINK ACTUALLY 1,000 TDS. BUT WE HAD OVERDRILLED THAT WELL INTENTIONALLY TO GO DOWN AS FAR AS WE COULD. AND WE ACTUALLY WENT IN AND FOUND OUT WHAT TDS WAS COMING AND WHAT LEVELS. WE KNOW IF WE WERE TO GROUT THE BOTTOM, LET'S SAY 150 FEET, THEN THAT WATER WOULD COME IN AT ABOUT 800. WE WENT DOWN INTENTIONALLY. WE KNOW THAT WATER'S COMING IN AT ABOUT 1400. SO WE ACTUALLY WENT IN AND FIGURED OUT HOW MUCH WATER WAS COMING IN EACH SCREEN AND FIGURED OUT THE TDS IN EACH SCREEN. THAT WAS THE FIRST WELL DRILLED. THERE WAS EVERY EXPECTATION THAT THE WELLFIELD -- I COULD BE FAIRLY CERTAIN WOULD COME UNDER 900 AND IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE 800 TDS. WE DID SAMPLE THE CONSTITUENCIES, PFOS AND ALL THE METALS. THE FIRST WELL I DON'T REMEMBER ANY METALS BEING CLOSE TO THE MCL, THE PRIMARY DRINKING STANDARDS. THE SECOND WELL, WE SAMPLED IT TWICE. THERE WAS SOME ARSENIC THAT CAME UP. IT WAS BELOW THE MCL. AND THE SECOND TIME WE SAMPLED IT, IT WAS SLIGHTLY ABOVE IT. THAT WOULD EASILY BE DILUTED OUT. ODDLY ENOUGH, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS COMING THROUGH A SURFACE SOURCE. THERE'S A SMALL -- YOU KNOW, 22,000 ACRES. WE DID ALSO SAMPLE, I THINK 23 SHALLOW WELLS. AND THOSE RANGE FROM 500 TDS TO ABOUT 1300. THERE WAS ONLY -- WITH ONE EXCEPTION, ONLY TWO OR THREE WERE ABOVE,000. THERE WAS ONE ONE ABOVE 2,000. A TDS ANOMALY , I THINK THERE WAS AN OIL AND GAS PIT THERE. THEY ARE THROUGHOUT THE GULF COAST, BEFORE '63 YOU COULD JUST TAKE YOUR PRODUCTION WATER AS YOU SEPARATE IT, OIL COMES UP. TENDS TO BE ABOUT 4 GALLONS OF WATER PER 1 GALLON OF OIL. SO YOU DO SOMETHING, THEY WERE JUST PUTTING IT IN PITS. I HAVE A FEELING SOME OF THAT HIGH BRINE MIGHT BE -- IT'S A VERY ISOLATED AREA. OVERALL, IT LOOKS VERY FAVORABLE IN TERMS OF HAVING SOME GOOD QUALITY WATER COMING THROUGH. >> Vaughn: SO THE ANSWER IS, YES. WE DO HAVE GOOD QUALITY. I ASKED THAT QUESTION FOR ED CROSS. HE ALWAYS SAID THERE WAS. THERE YOU GO. AND THE OTHER THING IS THEY SAY SO MUCH WATER IS THERE. DO YOU SAY YES, ALL THIS WATER'S THERE THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT? >> THERE'S A LOT OF WATER THERE AND IT'S GOOD QUALITY. THE QUESTION IS WHEN YOU PULL IT OUT, WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACTS. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER. >> Vaughn: YEAH. >> BUT WE SAW THE EARLIER MAPS. THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BEST WATER YOU FIND ANYWHERE IN THIS AREA. >> Vaughn: THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S GOOD NEWS. THANK YOU. MR. ZANONI, THANK YOU FOR VISITING WITH THE SURROUNDING TOWNS. I THINK IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO BE GOOD TO OUR NEIGHBORS AND LET THEM KNOW THAT WE DO CARE AND WE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO HARM THEM. I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME OTHER COMMENTS. I'M REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THIS PROJECT. WE HAVE TO GET MOVING. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE WATER FOR NOVEMBER OF NEXT YEAR. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: YOU ARE CORRECT. THE RUSH IS WE NEED WATER NOW. SO, YEAH, IT WAS A LOT OF DETAILED INFORMATION AND I'M GLAD THAT WE'VE GOT COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ DIGGING INTO ALL THAT. BUT SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO ALSO BRING UP IS THE FINANCING. SINCE THIS IS A NEW WATER SOURCE AND IT IS -- SHOULD QUALIFY FOR THE DROUGHT EXEMPTION MONEY THAT WE HAVE IN THE BANK, WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT HOW MUCH? I THINK IT WAS 32? >> Zanoni: WE HAD ABOUT $30 MILLION. >> PLUS OR MINUS. >> Zanoni: THIS WOULD BE AN ELIGIBLE PROJECT. >> Campos: SO THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. OKAY. SO HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE? >> APPROXIMATELY $23 MILLION. >> Campos: 23? I THOUGHT WE HAD 30 OR 32. >> YES, BUT WE'RE MAKING A DEBT PAYMENT. WE HAVE THIS YEAR'S EXPENDITURES, WHICH IS THE DEBT PAYMENTS FOR THE SWIFT LOANS THAT WERE ISSUED. SO IT BRINGS DOWN THE THING. WE ADD $6 MILLION BUT THE DEBT PAYMENT IS $12 MILLION. >> Campos: REALLY? I THOUGHT IT WOULDN'T QUALIFY. YOU HAD SAID THAT UNLESS THE PROJECT CAME THROUGH ON THE SWIFT LOAN THAT WE COULDN'T USE THAT MONEY. THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER YOU SAYING. >> Zanoni: WELL, THAT IS THE CASE. GO AHEAD. >> THE SWIFT DESAL LOAN IS STILL ACTIVE. SO WE'RE MAKING A PAYMENT WITH THAT MONEY. ONCE YOU CANCEL THE CONTRACT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEFER THAT LOAN, WE CAN NO LONGER USE THAT MONEY TO MAKE ANY PAYMENTS ON THAT. BUT UNTIL THAT ACTION IS TAKEN, IT'S STILL CONSIDERED AN ACTIVE LOAN. >> Campos: OH, OKAY. >> ONCE THAT ACTION IS TAKEN, IT WILL BE THEN A DIFFERENT SITUATION. >> Campos: I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. OKAY. SO ONCE THAT MONEY THEN IS USED UP, I HOPE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO END THE DROUGHT EXEMPTION, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT FOR YOU. THAT'S FOR NICK. AND I GUESS FOR OUR CITY MANAGER. OKAY. >> YES, COUNCILWOMAN. I DO WANT TO EXPRESS THAT THERE IS, IF WE DO END IT, THERE IS -- >> Campos: A FIVE-YEAR NOTICE. I KNOW. >> I ALSO WANT TO STATE -- I MEAN, THAT FUND IS A TREMENDOUS INFLUX OF MONEY FOR US TO UTILIZE ON A DROUGHT-PROOF WATER SOURCE. >> Campos: WELL, BUT THERE'S ALSO A DIFFERENT WAY OF GETTING AN INFLUX OF ADDITIONAL MONEY. THAT IS IF WE START DOING THE PROGRESSIVE RATE, WHICH IS THE MORE YOU USE, THE MORE YOU PAY. SO I THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT THAT. I AM EXCITED, AGAIN, ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND I AM HOPEFUL THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ENTIRE COUNCIL WILL SUPPORT THIS. AND I'M ALSO GLAD THAT SOMEONE AT LEAST BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE ARSENIC. THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS FOUND. IS THAT NORMAL? I MEAN, TO BE FOUND IN THIS TYPE OF GROUNDWATER DRILLING? >> YEAH. I'LL LET STEVE COMMENT. I'LL MAKE A QUICK COMMENT BEFORE STEVE GETS UP HERE. I MEAN, ARSENIC IS NATURALLY OCCURRING. >> Campos: THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. >> BUT THE COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE IS OPERATIONAL. WHEN WELLS ARE IN OPERATION, WATER QUALITY SAMPLES ARE ROUTINELY TAKEN AND THAT'S INCUMBENT ON CCW OPERATING ANY WELLFIELD TO MONITOR WATER QUALITY FROM EACH OF THE WELLS. BUT I'LL DEFER TO STEVE. >> NICK IS CORRECT. IT'S NATURALLY OCCURRING. I HAVE A SMALL LITTLE SERVICE WE OFFER AT INTERA. WE GO AROUND TO MUNICIPAL WELLS ON THE GULF COAST AND WE PROFILE THEM TO SEE IF THEY HAVE AN ARSENIC PROBLEM, WHAT LAYER IS ARSENIC IS COMING IN. IT'S HIT OR MISS. IT HAS TO DO WITH MUCH MORE COMPLICATED STUFF. IT HAS TO DO WITH HOW THE STUFF WAS DEPOSITED AND IT'S ALWAYS THERE, WHETHER IT'S BOUND UP OR NOT. AND SOMETIMES IT GETS RELEASED. IT WASN'T A VERY ISOLATED INCIDENT. WE SAMPLED PROBABLY 25 WELLS AND IT WAS JUST ABOVE THE MCL. >> Campos: GOOD TO HEAR. >> A COUPLE MORE NON-DETECT. IT'S GOING TO BE THERE BUT LIKE NICK SAID, YOU WOULD HAVE TO MONITOR THAT AND THE BLENDING WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM. >> Campos: IT'S SOMETHING WE TAKE CARE OF ALREADY, THAT WE WOULD. OKAY. THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE. THANKS. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN CANTU. >> Cantu: THANK YOU, MAYOR. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO HEAR THIS. SO IF THIS PASSES TODAY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE HAVE AN INSPECTION PERIOD OF 120 DAYS? >> CORRECT. >> Cantu: AND THEN A PERMIT FOR 180 DAYS? >> CORRECT. >> Cantu: TOGETHER, RIGHT? >> YEAH. BOTH OF THOSE TIME PERIODS ARE GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME, SUBSEQUENTLY. >> Cantu: SO THEN SAY WHAT EVERYTHING GOES AS PLANNED, WHEN DO YOU THINK WE COULD GET A DROP OF THAT WATER? >> SO THE GOAL OF THE PROJECT IS TO HAVE PARTIAL DELIVERY BY NOVEMBER 2026. >> Cantu: NOVEMBER 2026. >> CORRECT. >> Cantu: THAT'S WHEN WE RUN OUT OF WATER IN THE LAKE? >> SO IN NOVEMBER 2026 IS THE CURRENT LATE OF THE LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY, WHICH MEANS WE WOULD BE 180 DAYS FROM WHEN OUR SUPPLY WOULDN'T MEET OUR DEMAND. I'VE GOT -- LATER ON IN THE AGENDA DURING OUR WATER SUPPLY BRIEFING, I'VE GOT SOME MORE DETAILED SLIDES SHOWING WHAT MAY BE THE EFFECT ON THOSE PROJECTIONS WITH NEW SUPPLIES COMING ON. >> Cantu: THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHY THIS COUNCIL IS RUSHING THIS WATER PROJECT IS BECAUSE THE MORE TIME DELAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE SCREWED. HOW DO THE TDS LEVELS AROUND 801 AND 1,000 AT ANOTHER COMPARE TO THE DRINKING WATER STANDARD. WILL THIS WATER NEED ADDITIONAL TREATMENT? >> SO THE SECONDARY CONTAMINANT LEVEL, PER TCEQ, OF TOTAL DISSOLVED SOLIDS IS 1,000 PARTS PER MILLION. SO WHAT THE TEAM AT O.N. STEVENS AND OUR WATER QUALITY LAB, WE'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND -- BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT SOURCES OF WHAT'S GOING ON. YOU'LL HAVE THE EVANGELINE. YOU'LL HAVE LAKE TEXANA. YOU'LL HAVE THE COLORADO RIVER. YOU'VE GOT THE CHOKE CANYON, LAKE CORPUS CHRISTI THROUGH THE NUECES RIVER. AND THE NUECES WELLS. EVERY ONE OF THOSE SOURCES HAS DIFFERENT WATER QUALITY. SO THE STAFF AT O.N. STEVENS AND OUR WATER QUALITY TEAM WILL CONTINUALLY MONITOR THAT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT, YOU KNOW, I DO WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DRAW MORE WATER FROM THE COLORADO RIVER, PEOPLE DO NOTICE THE TASTE CHANGE IN THE WATER. AND THAT WILL HAPPEN. IT DOESN'T MEAN THE WATER'S NOT SAFE TO DRINK, IT MEANS THAT -- BECAUSE WE CONTINUE TO MEET OUR TCEQ REGULATORY GUIDELINES. BUT PULLING FROM ALL THESE DIFFERENT SOURCES, THERE'S GOING TO BE A CHANGE IN WATER CHEMISTRY. >> Zanoni: YEAH. CAN I JUST ANSWER THAT? >> Cantu: IT'S GOING TO TASTE BETTER RIGHT? >> Zanoni: THE 800 WILL BLEND WITH THE LAKE TEXANA IS ABOUT 400 TO 500. SO WE'VE K, WE HA H O SO IT'S CAN ONLY BLEND THE 1 WE'RE GOING TO BLEND INTO THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE? >> OH, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION. SO WE'VE WORKED -- AND WE'VE HAD GREAT DISCUSSIONS WITH ALL OF OUR ENGINEERING TEAMS. SO THE 12 MILLION GALLONS A DAY CAN BE CONNECTED TO THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE AT SCHEDULE 4. SO THAT'S OPERATING AT 70 TO 72 MGD. 24 MGD CAN BE INPUT THE INTO THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE PROVIDED CERTAIN CONDITIONS EXIST . THOSE CONDITIONS ARE WE'RE OPERATING AT SCHEDULE 4. THOSE CONDITIONS ALSO INCLUDE THAT STEEL DYNAMICS, SDI, AND SAN PAT MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT CONTINUE TO TAKE THEIR AVERAGE DEMAND. IF THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE OPERATES AT SCHEDULE 3, WHICH IS 55 MILLION GALLONS A DAY -- AND IF YOU RECALL WE HAVE HAD PRESSURE EXCEEDANCE AT SCHEDULE 3. IT'S THE SAME THING WITH SCHEDULE 2B. THE INTEGRATION OF EVANGELINE INTO THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE IS A SIGNIFICANT TASK THAT WE'VE CHALLENGED. SO THERE'S MULTIPLE ENTITIES WORKING ON THAT. THAT'S CCW, LAVACA, PAPE-DAWSON, HANSON, HDR, THAT FULL TEAM IS WORKING ON HOW BEST TO ENSURE A SAFE AND CONSISTENT OPERATION OF THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE. BECAUSE THAT PIPELINE IS SO CRITICAL AND SIGNIFICANT FOR US, WE'VE GOT TO TAKE EVERY PRECAUTION AVAILABLE TO PROTECT THAT ASSET. >> Cantu: UNDERSTAND. I DO WANT TO TELL YOU THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE SO FAR FOR THE CITY AND YOUR TEAM. THANK YOU, PETER FOR THIS. I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND GET THIS PROJECT GOING BECAUSE WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE WATER NEXT YEAR IN DECEMBER. AND PUT BACK THE WATER WE PROMISED TO THE REFINERIES AND WHOEVER ELSE, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP ON GETTING WATER FROM THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN ROY. >> Roy: FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT HOW WE'VE EVOLVED FROM WHERE WE WERE AT BEFORE WITH EVANGELINE IN THE PAST AND THEN THIS NEW PROPOSAL AND WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I FEEL GOOD ABOUT AND ONE OF THEM IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A TEAM THAT SHOWED UP HERE TODAY TO TALK TO US AND ANSWER QUESTIONS. I THINK THAT'S VITALLY IMPORTANT. I THINK DR. YOUNG -- BUT THE OTHER IS JUST THE AVAILABILITY OF BEING IN THE PAST, SITTING DOWN AND HAVING LUNCH WITH A COUPLE OF ADVISORS OR PEOPLE THAT REALLY ARE IN THE KNOW HAS HELPED TRY TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THIS. BECAUSE IT IS FAIRLY COMPLICATED. DR. YOUNG, I THOUGHT MY HEAD WAS GOING TO EXPLODE ABOUT AN HOUR AGO BUT I'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THAT. BUT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE GOOD THING IS ALSO THAT WHEN WE SIT HERE AND WE TALK NUMBERS AND THE STAFF TALKS NUMBERS AND THAT, OUR NUMBERS SEEM PRETTY CONSISTENT. I WAS WAITING FOR THE OTHER SHOE TO FALL IN THAT WE WOULD HAVE STARTED AT $169 MILLION AND BEFORE THE END OF THE CONVERSATION WE WOULD BE AT $300 MILLION OR SOMETHING, BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND I APPRECIATE THAT TOO. SO I APPRECIATE THE RESEARCH THAT'S WENT IN AND THE CONSISTENCY IN TERMS OF THE APPROACH FOR THE PRESENTATION. BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ASKED SOME HARD QUESTIONS. I'VE HAD PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ASK SOME HARD QUESTIONS. BUT I FEEL CONFIDENT IN TERMS OF THE ANSWERS. I LIKE THE FACT THAT -- WE CAN RELY ON THE FACT THAT THE QUALITY OF WATER IS THERE AND THAT'S SO IMPORTANT. AND I'M JUST READY AT THIS POINT TO K -- IT KIND OF REMINDS ME OF THAT MOVIE "FAILURE TO LAUNCH." I WANT TO LAUNCH. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN BARRERA. >> Barrera: I DON'T WANT TO DELAY ANYTHING. KEEP WORKING AND DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THERE ARE SEVERAL PROJECTS WHICH WE'RE LOOKING AT AND IT'S ALL-HANDS-ON-DECK. YOU HAVE AN AMAZING TEAM THAT'S BEEN HUSTLING AROUND THE CORNER. I DON'T WANT THIS PROJECT TO DIE. I HAVE BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF IT FROM THE FIRST TIME I HEARD IT AND I THINK THE CHALLENGES ARE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE COST. JUST LIKE THE IRONY OF THE OTHER DEAL. SO MY CHALLENGE WITH THIS -- FIRST OFF, ARE WE AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE TO THEY WILL THEM WHAT THE LAND WAS APPRAISED AT, ASIDE FROM THE GROUNDWATER RIGHTS? >> Zanoni: THAT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION. >> Risley: THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN RELEASED THROUGH THE MEDIA. >> Barrera: CAN YOU TELL US HOW MUCH IT IS? CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME? >> Risley: LET ME PULL IT UP. >> Barrera: I'LL WAIT. >> I THINK WE SHOULD GET YOU THE EXACT NUMBER. >> Barrera: I'LL WAIT. >> Zanoni: WHILE HE'S PULLING IT UP, JUST FOR CONTEXT FOR THE LISTENING AUDIENCE. WE DID A LAND APPRAISAL OF THE LAND, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE WATER OR MINERAL RIGHT APPRAISAL. IT WAS DONE TO SEE ARE THEY COMPATIBLE, ARE THEY CLOSE, ARE THEY SO FAR APART. AND SO, MILES, DO YOU HAVE IT THERE? >> Risley: WHAT I SHOWED HERE WAS 5251 PER ACRE BUT THE APPRAISER CONSOLIDATED 20,590 ACRES. SO 5251 TIMES 20,593, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY LESS THAN OUR SURVEYOR HAS GIVEN AN ESTIMATE AT. $108,133,843. >> Barrera: SO THE LAND IS APPRAISED AT $108 MILLION AND SOME CHANGE. AND, YOU KNOW, REALLY THAT'S THE HEARTBURN I HAVE. FIRST OFF, I WANT TO GO BACK AND REITERATE HEY IT'S ALL-HANDS-ON-DECK. WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL RESOURCES. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN AND, NEVER AN OR. SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES DISAGREE WITH THAT . LAST WEEK WE WERE SENT A PROPOSAL OF SOMEBODY THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT -- EVEN DREW HAD BEEN TALKING TO REGARDING TO FLOATING DESAL BARGES. WE WANT TO PURSUE EVERY OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT AN EMERGENCY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL I COMMITTED THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS RESOURCE. I MEAN, THAT WAS THE NUMBER ONE -- THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME IT HASN'T BEEN ABOUT STREETS. IT'S BEEN ABOUT WATER. SO I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT, HEY, THERE'S NO DELAY. BUT I JUST THINK IT'S NOT PRUDENT BECAUSE THEN THE $169 MILLION IS DONE. AND NOW WE PUT OURSELVES IN A POSITION TO WHERE IF THERE'S ONLY 10 MGD AVAILABLE THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK TO RENEGOTIATE. AND THAT'S GOING TO PRESENT SOME CHALLENGES BECAUSE NOW THAT'S GOING TO DELAY IT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST GOING TO DELAY IT. I THINK THIS TERM SHEET IS SOMETHING THAT I'M REALLY CONCERNED WITH BECAUSE WE'RE JUST AGREEING THAT, THAT A, ALL THIS WORKS OUT FOR THIS, WHICH I THINK IS VERY, VERY OPTIMISTIC. I THINK IT'S VERY OPTIMISTIC. I'VE ALWAYS SAID THE WATER IS GOOD. I THINK WE GET TO THIS POINT, WE HAVEN'T DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE WITH THE COMMUNITY BUT WE ARE AGREEING TO $169 MILLION WHEN WE'VE STARTED THE PROCESS, WHICH WE SHOULD HAVE DONE LONG AGO. WE SHOULD HAVE GONE AND TALKED TO OUR NEIGHBORS LONG AGO IF WE HAD BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A DECADE. IT FRUSTRATES ME THAT EVANGELINE LAGUNA -- I REMEMBER AS SOON AS I GOT ON TO COUNCIL, THE FIRST MONTH, THEY WERE IN MY OFFICE. THEY WERE IN MY OFFICE TO PLAIN WHAT IT IS AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT. THEY'LL TALK TO ME, A FRESHMAN COUNCIL MEMBER WHO DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE BATHROOM IS BUT WE CAN'T TALK TO OUR NEIGHBORS DOWN THE STREET AND NOW THEY PUT US IN THIS PREDICAMENT. IT'S REALLY FRUSTRATING THAT WE'RE WILLING TO GO AHEAD AND AGREE TO $169 MILLION WHEN THERE'S NO PERMITS. WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO HAVE TO APPLY FOR MORE EXPENSIVE DEBT, WHICH YOU SAID IS AT 5.5%? >> WHEN WE RAN THE NUMBERS, WE ESTIMATED IT AT 5%. TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME CONSERVATIVE INFORMATION FOR YOU. >> Barrera: ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S ABOUT 2% MORE THAN THE OTHER PROJECT THAT IS COMPLETELY OFF THE TABLE, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. SO THAT'S THE THING. YOU KNOW, ALL I HAVE EVER SAID THAT INDUSTRY WANTS IS CERTAINTY. BUT WE'RE GOING TO AGREE -- I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT FOR THE PUBLIC BECAUSE I OBVIOUSLY DON'T SUPPORT -- THE ONLY THING I DON'T SUPPORT THIS, IS AGREEING TODAY FOR $169 MILLION. IF WE CAME BACK AND SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER IT IS PER ACRE, I MIGHT BE OKAY WITH THAT. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE ALREADY AGREEING FOR $169 MILLION. AND WE STILL HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT THE RATE MODEL AS FAR AS OUR OTHER CAPITAL COSTS. WE'RE STILL IN THE DARK WITH THAT. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD BUSINESS MODEL. I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD BUSINESS PLAN. I JUST WANTED TO BE VERY CLEAR. BUT I THINK FULL STEAM AHEAD. I THINK YOU GUYS, WE PUT YOU UNDER TREMENDOUS STRAIN BECAUSE WE'RE INCONSISTENT. WE'RE INCONSISTENT. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: OKAY. I WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS NOT RUSHED. HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN LOOKING AT EVANGELINE? >> Zanoni: I HAVE BEEN HERE SIX YEARS, COUNCILMAN. PROBABLY HALF THAT. >> Hernandez: IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH NEGOTIATIONS. I KNOW WE'RE PAYING A PREMIUM FOR THIS WATER. I'M THE ONE THAT ASKED FOR THE APPRAISAL SO WE CAN KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH MORE WE'RE PAYING FOR THIS WATER. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS ALL UP FRONT. COMPARED TO ANOTHER PROJECT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT CHEAPER. WE'RE TALKING -- HOW MUCH DID WE PAY FOR DRILLING THE WELLS ON THE WESTERN WELLFIELD, PER WELL? >> SO THE WESTERN WELLFIELD -- OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT ALL DRILLED, BUT WE'RE ESTIMATING $30 MILLION FOR THAT COMPLETE WELLFIELD. THAT'S 12 WELLS, CONVEYANCE TO THE RIVER, ELECTRICAL, ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES. THAT'S SITE CLEARING. IT ALSO INCLUDES THE STUDIES ALONG THE RIVER. >> Hernandez: SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $2 MILLION A WELL? ROUGHLY? >> ROUGHLY. >> Hernandez: YOU TRANSPOSE THAT ON TO EVANGELINE WITH SOME OTHER CAVEATS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET IT INTO THE MARY RHODES AT SOME POINT, RIGHT? SO WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? JUST ROUGH NAPKIN MATH? >> $2 MILLION A WELL TIMES 22 IS 44. >> Hernandez: SO $44 MILLION ON TOP OF THE $169 MILLION. WE'RE TALKING -- LET'S SAY ROUND IT UP TO $250 MILLION. >> YEAH, I WOULD LIKE US TO TAKE A STEP BACK THERE. EVANGELINE -- IT'S GOING TO BE MORE THAN THAT, COUNCILMAN, BECAUSE OF ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. TYING INTO THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE IS NOT -- >> Hernandez: I JUST DOUBLED THE AMOUNT YOU GAVE ME. >> I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT GOES INTO IT, SIR. >> Zanoni: NICK, WE HAVE USED THE NUMBER OF 200,000 FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE -- $200 MILLION FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE. >> Hernandez: SO YOU'RE TALKING $350 MILLION FOR 24 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, RIGHT? >> Zanoni: CORRECT. >> Hernandez: WE WERE TALKING $1.2 MILLION FOR 30 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. A SIXTH-GRADER CAN DO THIS MATH, RIGHT? WHEN CAN THE EARLIEST DELIVERY, NOVEMBER OF NEXT YEAR? >> THE GOAL IS NOVEMBER OF 2026. >> Hernandez: THIS IS THE REASON WE WENT IN THIS DIRECTION RIGHT? WATER THAT WE CAN GET FASTER FOR LESS EXPENSIVE. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE PAYING A PREMIUM FOR THIS PARTICULAR WATER. WE'RE PAYING A PREMIUM. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. BUT IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE THAN SOME OTHER OPTIONS. I WANT TO SAY WE'RE DOING OUR BEST HERE, AS A COUNCIL, TO GET THE WATER WE NEED IN ORDER TO AVOID CURTAILMENT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIG PART OF THAT. YOU KNOW, I CHALLENGE YOU TO GET MORE THAN 12.5 MILLION GALLONS IN THAT 12 MONTHS. I MEAN, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE US TO DRILL THESE WELLS UP HERE BY THE RIVER? >> SO, YEAH. THE EASTERN WELLFIELD WE COMPLETED EIGHT WELLS WITHIN A SEVEN-MONTH TIME-FRAME. BUT KEEP IN MIND THE CITY OWNED THE PROPERTY AND THE CONVEYANCE TO THE RIVER THE IS MUCH SHORTER. IN SOME WELL LOCATIONS, IT'S 50 FEET OF OVER LAND FLOW. DOING ANYTHING WITH THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. AND IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST DIFFICULT PART OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT. >> Hernandez: BUT WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THAT PROCESS AND HIRED SEVERAL ENGINEERING COMPANIES TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS WORK. >> CORRECT. >> Hernandez: OKAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS WE'VE DONE THE HYDROLOGICAL STUDIES AND THIS HAS BEEN THERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. SINTON HAS USED IT FOR A LONG TIME. ST. PAUL HAS USED IT FOR A LONG TIME. YOU KNOW, I AM DISAPPOINTED WE DIDN'T COMMUNICATE WITH SINTON AND SAN PATRICIO SOONER. I THINK WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF COMMUNICATING THAT, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO IMPACT THEM NEGATIVELY AND TAKE CARE OF THEM IF WE DO. YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT IN SAN PATRICIO. ALL THOSE THINGS ARE IN PLACE. SO, YOU KNOW, I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF US MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE SHOULD PAY FOR WHAT ACTUAL WATER WE CAN GET BASED ON THE PRODUCTION. BUT WE HAVE THE 180 DAYS TO MAKE SURE WE FIGURE THAT OUT. I'M GOOD WITH IT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: WHO PAYS THE CLOSING COSTS? >> Zanoni: THE CLOSING COSTS? WE ARE. THE CITY IS. >> SOME OF THEM. THEY PAY FOR THE TITLE POLICY. THE CLOSING COSTS ARE DIVIDED BETWEEN THE PARTIES. >> Vaughn: OKAY. AND WHO'S GOING TO BE DOING THE TITLE POLICY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE NO ONE UP HERE IS MAKING MONEY. [LAUGHTER] NO, THEY'RE NOT HERE. DO WE KNOW THAT? >> Zanoni: YEAH, WE KNOW THE TITLE POLICY COMPANY. MISSION TITLE. >> Vaughn: THANK YOU. >> Zanoni: OUT OF SAN ANTONIO SO NOBODY HERE. >> Vaughn: MAKING SURE, FOR THE PUBLIC. SOMEONE QUOTED TO ME -- A REALLY GOOD FRIEND OF MINE THE OTHER DAY. WE WAITED SO LONG TO DO THIS BECAUSE EVANGELINE HAS BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME. THEY HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CITY. WHEN I GOT HERE, THEY CALLED ME IN JANUARY. GAVE IT TO MR. ZANONI. HE IMMEDIATELY GOT ON IT. SO THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR A WHILE. I APPRECIATE THEM COMING BACK BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO. THE PREDICAMENT WE ARE IN IS BECAUSE PREVIOUS COUNCILS DID NOT LOOK FOR WATER FOR US THAT WE NEEDED RIGHT NOW. JUST FOCUSED ON ONE THING. BUT SOMEONE QUOTED: THE GREATEST COST OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS DELAY. NOTHING EVER COMES DOWN. IT ALWAYS GOES UP. SO WE HAVE DELAYED, DELAYED, DELAYED. HAD WE DONE IT YEARS AGO, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CHEAPER. NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THE PIPER. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WOULD START BY ECHOING WHAT SENTIMENTS HAVE BEEN SHARED. THANK YOU FOR THIS INFORMATION IN THE PRESENTATION. AND MY HATS ARE COMPLETELY OFF TO THE TEAM. THIS YEAR, WHAT I'VE WATCHED IS CCW AND OUR CITY LEADERSHIP TRULY FOCUS AND MOBILIZE ON GETTING WATER FOR AN IMMEDIATE FUTURE AND SECURING A LONG-TERM SUPPLY. I KNOW A STATEMENT WAS MADE A LITTLE BIT AGO THAT WE'RE INDECISIVE. AND I THINK THAT'S NOT TRUE. WE HAVE BEEN VERY DECISIVE AND WE ARE MOVING FORWARD TO PREVENT CURTAILMENT AND ALSO SECURE A ROBUST AND STRONG, DIVERSE PORTFOLIO FOR THE FUTURE NEEDS OF THIS REGION AND ITS WATER SUPPLY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS A SOUND BITE THAT'S OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S THE REALITY. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE WAS JUST STATED, WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR IS SCARCITY. WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT RIGHT NOW THAT WE COULD BEGIN HARVESTING WATER. IN A MATTER OF MONTHS AT THE VOLUME THAT WE NEED IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD REALLY PUT A PRICE ON THAT OTHER THAN WE NEED IT AND WE HAVE PROMISED THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO INTO CURTAILMENT AT ALL COST. THAT WE CAN DOBLY ACCOMPLISH. THANK YOU FOR THOSE EFFORTS. WE REALIZE THAT AND WE SUPPORT THOSE EFFORTS. ALSO, THANK YOU FOR BEING SUCH A GOOD SPOKESPEOPLE TO US FOR OUR NEIGHBORS AND OUR PARTNERS IN THE REGION. THAT'S IMPORTANT AND I APPRECIATE THAT. >> Mayor Guajardo: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I HAVE SOME CONCERNS. I'M TRYING TO BE VERY, VERY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT THIS BECAUSE, YES, WE NEED WATER. SO FIRST QUESTION IS: WE'RE GUARANTEED 24 MGD FOR $170 MILLION. YES OR NO. >> THE CONDITION TO CLOSE -- REMEMBER, WE DON'T PAY THE $169 MILLION UNTIL WE CLOSE -- IS THE PERMITS. THE TRANSPORT PERMITS AND ALSO THE DRILLING PERMITS. THE PRODUCTION PERMIT IS IN HAND BY THE EVANGELINE. >> Mayor Guajardo: FOR 24? >> FOR 24. >> Mayor Guajardo: BUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN, YES OR NO, IS SIX MONTHS FROM NOW THISLD COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL TO SAY COULDN'T GET THE 24 BUT WE'LL GET YOU 12. ARE YOU GUYS WILLING TO WORK WITH THAT? IS THAT RIGHT? COULD THAT BE A SCENARIO THAT COMES BACK TO THIS COUNCIL? >> Zanoni: THAT, OR ANY COMBINATION THEREOF. >> Mayor Guajardo: SO YES, RIGHT? >> Zanoni: THAT OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. YES. >> Mayor Guajardo: AND THEN DOES THE PRICE TAG CHANGE WITH THAT? I KNOW SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS MAY HAVE BEEN ASKED EARLIER. DOES THE PRICE TAG CHANGE? >> Zanoni: IT HAS TO BE NEGOTIATED WITH THE SELLER. >> Mayor Guajardo: SO, AGAIN, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE THE 170 -- 169 DOWN TO WHATEVER, BASED ON WHAT'S ACTUALLY ATTAINED. SHOULD THAT BE THE CASE. >> Zanoni: YEAH, ON THE PRODUCTION AMOUNT. CORRECT. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. AND I ASK THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE'RE RELYING ON THESE NUMBERS ON, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE PIECE OF PAPER THAT SAY, ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A 60 MGD DEFICIT MINUS 24 EVANGELINE. MINUS 15, YOU KNOW, REUSE. 10 MGD REUSE. OR EFFLUENT. MINUS -- AND WE GO DOWN THE LINE. AND THEN WE END UP WITH ONE. A DEFICIT OF 1 MGD, ROUGHLY. BUT MY CONCERN HERE -- AND I SUPPORT WATER, WATER PROJECTS. MY CONCERN HERE IS WE KEEP SAYING WATER NOW. WE NEED WATER NOW. BUT YOU'RE SAYING WE MAY NOT GET 24 MGD. AND WHAT'S BEEN WRITTEN ON THE LITTLE PAPER THAT WE KEEP GOING OVER IS 24. NOT 12. NOT 10. NOT 15. SO IF THIS IS A WATER NOW PROJECT, MEANING WE'RE ABSOLUTELY -- COUNCILMAN CANTU JUST ASKED THE PERFECT QUESTION. WHEN IS THE WATER COMING? NOVEMBER OF '26. GOD WILLING. NICK, YOU DON'T HAVE TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING. I'M MAKING STATEMENTS BECAUSE I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BUT I DON'T BELIEVE -- I THINK THE CHANCES OF US GETTING THAT WATER NOVEMBER -- THERE'S NO ROOM FOR ERROR. AND ALL IT'S GOING TO TAKE IS ONE PERSON TO FILE A CONTESTED CASE AND WE'RE DONE. SO I'M GOING TO STATE THIS AGAIN. PETER AND I HAD A CONVERSATION YESTERDAY. IF WE DON'T GO OUT AND LOOK FOR MORE WATER IN CASE -- Y'ALL ARE TELLING US THAT, YES, WE CAN BE AT THIS PODIUM IN SIX MONTHS AND SAYING WE DIDN'T GET THE 24 BUT WE >> Mayor Guajardo: BUT WE GOT THE 12, OR WE GOT 15, OR WE GOT 10. I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW. IS THIS A CORRECT STATEMENT? >> Zanoni: IT IS, BUT IT LEAVES OUT SOME INFORMATION. >> Mayor Guajardo: MILES JUST SAID YES. >> Zanoni: IT LEAVES OUT SOME INFORMATION AND WE KNOW ABOUT THIS AND WE'VE TALKED TO THE COUNCIL, SO WE HAVE OUR BIGGEST WATER USER -- OR CUSTOMER SAN PAT WATER DISTRICT THAT'S WITHIN SAN PATRICIO COUNTY WHO TODAY, WE SELL 40 MILLION-GALLONS OF WATER ALL FROM NUECES COUNTY. AND SO PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS A DIVERSION OF THE EVANGELINE WATER TO SAN PAT WATER DISTRICT, KEEPING IT WITHIN THE COUNTY LIMITS AND THE WATER DISTRICT LIMITS. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. >> Zanoni: AND BRIAN WILLIAMS, WHO'S GENERAL MANAGER KNOWS ABOUT THIS AND IS WILLING TO WORK WITH US. SO THERE'S OPTIONS. IT'S NOT -- SO, YOU KNOW -- >> Mayor Guajardo: AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, PETER, I DO. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE NEGATIVE. I'M SUPPORTING THIS. >> Zanoni: YEAH. >> Mayor Guajardo: BUT I WANT TO BE REAL ABOUT WHAT THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO CAN BE, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR THAT. WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO PLAN FOR THAT. >> Zanoni: THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, MAYOR. WE TALKED TO THE COUNCIL IN EXEC SESSION, IT HAS BEEN, AT LEAST, ON THE ALTERNATIVE WATER OF HOW WE CAN GET THE WATER TO A CUSTOMER WHETHER IT'S HERE THROUGH THIS COUNTY OR WITHIN SAN PAT COUNTY. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. BUT I MEAN, NONE OF THAT IS IN STONE, YET, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE HE WOULD WORK WITH US. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Mayor Guajardo: I JUST -- I'M -- THESE THINGS ARE JUST VERY CONCERNING TO ME. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY, YOU KNOW, SOLID, YOU KNOW, 100%, YOU KNOW, PROJECT THAT DOESN'T HAVE RISK. OUR OWN PIPELINE HAS RISK, YOU KNOW. >> Winkelmann: EVERY PROJECT HAS CONSIDERATIONS, RISKS, OBSTACLES CHALLENGES ABSOLUTELY. >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH. >> Winkelmann: AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE ASSEMBLED THE STAFF TO WORK THROUGH THOSE AND MITIGATE THEM. EVERY GOOD ENGINEERING PROJECT, YOU'VE GOT TO DO YOUR BEST TO MITIGATE ALL THE RISKS. >> Zanoni: YEAH, STAFF AND ENGINEERING FIRMS. WE HAVE THREE ENGINEERING FIRMSES WORK N ON THIS PROJECT RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE WORKED FOR THE CITY FOR A LONG TIME. MAIRNLINGSZ RIGHT. >> Mayor Guajardo: PETER, WHO SAID 17 YEARS? THAT THE CITY HAS WORKED WITH EVANGELINE, MAYBE -- ON AND OFF, CLEARLY, FOR MANY YEARS. >> Zanoni: I HEARD 17 ON A RADIO SHOW THIS MORNING, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT CAME FROM. I KNOW JOHN MICHAEL FROM HANSON WHO HELPED DEVELOP MANY OF THE WATERWORKS WE HAVE IN THAT AREA, THEY SPAN DECADES. >> Mayor Guajardo: YOU'RE SAYING NINE. SO MY POINT IS, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING -- IT IS SOMETHING THAT CITY STAFF, CITY MANAGERS, OTHER MAYORS, COUNCILS HAVE WORKED ON. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT COUNCILS DIDN'T WORK ON. AND WE CAN'T ASSUME THAT IT IS BECAUSE OF THE CITY THAT THINGS DIDN'T MOVE FORWARD. I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO SAY, AND I DON'T THINK THAT -- I DON'T EVEN KNOW, YOU KNOW. I DON'T EVEN KNOW. BUT IT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE, BUT SOMEHOW NEGOTIATIONS NEVER MOVED FORWARD. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. COUNCILMAN CANTU? >> Cantu: SO WE'RE PAYING 169 AND THE APPRAISED VALUE'S AT 108 CORRECT? >> Winkelmann: THAT'S CORRECT. THE APPRAISED LAND VALUE IS 108. >> Cantu: YEAH. I MEAN, IF I WAS SELLING A HOME, I DON'T CARE WHAT THE APPRAISED VALUE IS, I'M GOING TO GET WHAT I WANT, YOU KNOW. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY GOES BY APPRAISED VALUE WHEN THEY SELL SOMETHING. AND THE REALTY IS, WATER IS GOLD. AND WATER'S GOING TO BE EXTENSIVE. BECAUSE WE'VE WAITED SO LONG FOR OTHER WATER SOURCES. I JUST FEEL THAT IN MY OPINION WE DIDN'T -- WE SHOULD HAVE GOT THIS DEAL DONE A LONG TIME AGO, YOU KNOW, AND HERE WE ARE, ABOUT TO RUN OUT OF WATER IN A YEAR AND A HALF OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS AND WE'RE TRYING TO SCRAMBLE TO GET WATER. I'D RATHER SPEND THIS MONEY -- THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY THAN SPENDING 1.2 BILLION PLUS FOR 30 MILLION-GALLONS, AT WHICH -- I WANT -- I WANT DESAL. WE NEED IT. BUT A DIFFERENT LOCATION AND A CHEAPER PRICE. AND I THINK WE COULD GET THAT DONE, BUT I JUST DON'T -- I JUST DON'T -- YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WITH SOME COUNCILMEMBERS ON THIS DAIS, YOU KNOW, SAYING IT COSTS TOO MUCH, YOU KNOW, THIS AND THAT. WELL, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN TO GET US WATER NEXT YEAR? I MEAN, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WHAT'S OUR PLAN? IF WE DON'T DO THIS TODAY, WHAT'S OUR PLAN? YOU KNOW, AND -- I MEAN, NICK, QUESTION, IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN TODAY, WE VOTE NO ON THIS TODAY. WHAT'S OUR PLAN TO FIX OUR ISSUE NEXT DECEMBER? DO WE HAVE A PLAN? >> Winkelmann: SO ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO REITERATE, AND I WILL TALK SHORT TERM IN A MINUTE, BUT I DO WANT TO TALK LONG TERM JUST BRIEFLY. IT'S VERY CRITICAL -- AND I BELIEVE I HAVE FULL CONSENSUS ON THIS, FOR THE CITY TO DIVERSIFY ITS WATER SUPPLY PORTFOLIO. WE'VE GOT TO DO THAT IN CASE TIMES LIKE THIS HAPPEN AGAIN. >> Cantu: YES, SIR. >> Winkelmann: IN THE PAST, THIS CITY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF DIVERSIFYING SURFACE WATER, THEY REALLY HAVE. IT'S BEEN INCREDIBLE, THE WESTERN RESERVOIRS, LAKE TEXANA, THE COLORADO, HOWEVER, THEY'RE STILL ALL SURFACE WATER AND WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS BECAUSE WE'RE ALL EXPERIENCING IT. >> Cantu: YEAH. >> Winkelmann: SHORT TERM, TO MAKE THIS WORK, WE'VE GOT TO USE OUR NUECES WELL PROGRAM THROUGH THIS DROUGHT PERIOD, RIGHT, AND MAINTAIN THAT ASSET, AND THEN WE NEED ANOTHER SOURCE, WHICH IS EVANGELINE. AND THIS IS THE NEXT PROJECT THAT'S IN LINE. >> Cantu: IF WE DON'T GET THIS PROJECT DONE, WE VOTE NO TODAY ON THIS PROJECT, WE'LL BE IN TROUBLE NEXT DECEMBER? >> Winkelmann: SO ONE THING TO REMEMBER, THE PROJECTED LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY IS NOVEMBER 2026. IN THOSE CALCULATIONS, THE WESTERN WELLFIELD ISN'T ON THAT YET. WHEN THAT WELLFIELD IS FULLY OPERATIONAL, WHEN IT COMES ONLINE IN MAY, THAT WILL PUSH THE LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY OUT TO MAY 2027. >> Cantu: GOT IT. >> Winkelmann: HOWEVER, IT STILL HAPPENS. IT STILL HAPPENS. >> Cantu: YEAH. >> Winkelmann: AND THE OTHER THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IS JUST HOW CRITICAL THE MRP IS. IF SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN, SUBSTANTIAL ISSUE THERE, THAT WOULD DAT CATAPULT US INTO LEVEL 2 WATER EMERGENCY IMMEDIATELY, IF IT WAS A BREAK OR ANYTHING THAT COULDN'T BE REPAIRED QUICKLY. >> Cantu: I AGREE. YOU KNOW, I REALLY -- I CHALLENGE THIS COUNCIL UNTIL OUR TERM ENDS TO FIND ALL THE WATER WE CAN GET FOR THE NEXT 20, 30 YEARS. BECAUSE I FEEL THAT PAST COUNCILS DID NOT DO THAT. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT TO DAY. I WANT DESAL. LET'S GET DESAL. LET'S GET OTHER WATER PROJECTS, BUT LET'S PLAN FOR 20, 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BE IN THIS SITUATION ANYMORE. IT'S VERY SIMPLE. I JUST -- WE NEED WATER. WE NEED WATER YESTERDAY. IT'S PRETTY SCARY. IT REALLY IS. BUT ONCE AGAIN, NICK, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCILWO MAN PAXSON? >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. IS IT POSSIBLE, PETER, CAN WE GET THE ALTERNATIVE WATER SUPPLY PRESENTATION FROM OCTOBER 14TH? CAN WE GET SLIDE 16 TO BE SHOWN REAL QUICK? >> Zanoni: FROM OCTOBER 16? >> Paxson: FROM OCTOBER 14. >> THEY'RE WORK ON IT, PETER. I CAN SEE IT ON THE DASHBOARD HERE. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT. >> Paxson: AWESOME. THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT FROM THE POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE, THE PLATFORMS THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE STOP NARRATIVES AND STOP CAUSING INCREASED FEAR OR DOUBT. YOU KNOW, WE ARE WORKING VERY HARD, SO I'LL WAIT A SECOND FOR THE -- >> THEY'VE GOT IT. I THINK THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, COUNCILWOMAN. >> Paxson: YEAH. THANK YOU. SAID A MOMENT AGO, WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS PROJECT FAILS AND ARE WE PREPARED SHOULD WE ONLY BE ABLE TO HARVEST 12 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY FROM EVANGELINE, OR PERHAPS 10? AND THEN OUR CITY MANAGER INTERJECTED THAT THE CAVEAT TO THAT NUMBER IS THAT THE OTHER 12 COULD BE HARVESTED, BUT NOT TAKEN OUT OF THAT DISTRICT, NOT TAKEN OUT OF THAT COUNTY. AND SO THAT PUTS US STILL BACK UP IN THAT 24 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY REALM. BUT LITZ SAY 12. LET'S TALK 12. 28 FROM THE GROUNDWATER WELLS, LET'S SAY 12 FROM LAGUNA, EVANGELINE, 16 FROM REUSE AND 50 WHICH IS ANOTHER ACTION ITEM TODAY FROM HARBOR ISLAND. SITTING AT THAT NUMBER SITTING UP HERE WHICH HAS BEEN STATED AS CAUSE FOR CONCERN, WORST-CASE SCENARIO, THAT'S ABOUT 94 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY AVAILABLE TO US. AS OF TODAY AND PAST COUNCIL MEETINGS VERY RECENTLY. IF WE WERE TO CAPTURE THE OTHER 12 AND KEEP THAT IN CIRCULATION BY, PERHAPS, USING THAT FOR OUR SAN PATRICIO CUSTOMERS, THAT PUTS US UP TO 106 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY. SO IF WE TOOK OUT EVANGELINE, THE PROBLEM IS THE CURTAILMENT TIMELINE. BUT THE EFFORTS THAT WE'VE ALL PUT IN ARE STILL WALKING US DOWN A PATH FOR A STRONG AND DIVERSE WATER FUTURE. SO I THINK THAT THE QUESTION, WHAT IF THIS PROJECT FAILS OR GOES DOWN TO 12 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY IS ANSWERED IN PREVIOUSLY GIVEN INFORMATION AND DATA THROUGH ALL OF THESE PRESENTATIONS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY PROVIDED FOR US. AND BECAUSE OF THAT WORK, WE'RE IN A GOOD SPOT. SO I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT AND SHOW THIS GRAPH SO THAT EVERYONE COULD LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS AND COUNT THEM FOR THEMSELVES, BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERY COMPLEX MATH. AND IT'S ENCOURAGING, IT'S A GOOD MESSAGE. IT'S THINGS WE'VE ALL WORKED HARD FOR, BUT DID WANT TO REMIND US THAT NAPKIN MATH, AND I WAS NOT HERE FOR ALL OF THOSE PREVIOUS NUMBERS, INNER HARBOR ABOUT 10 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY, ALMOST $200 MILLION. 20MILLION-GALLONS A DAY, ALMOST $340 MILLION. NONE OF THOSE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED TODAY FOR A PROJECT THAT COULD GO UP TO 24 MILLION-GALLONS. AND WE'VE DISCUSSED WHAT HAPPENS POTENTIALLY TO THAT COST IF WE DON'T GET THE FULL 24 MILLION-GALLONS. SO I FEEL LIKE THOSE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN VERY WELL ADDRESSED AND ALL OF OUR PARTNERS HAVE COME TO THIS TABLE SAYING LET'S FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK AND MAKE IT WORK VERY QUICKLY. FOR NOT ONLY THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, BUT ALL OF OUR WATER CUSTOMERS, ALL OF THE RATEPAYERS, AND THIS REGION. AND THEN BEYOND THAT, LET'S LOOK TO THE FUTURE TO WHAT COUNCILMAN CANTU JUST SAID, INVEST IN PROJECTS THAT POSITION US FOR A STRONG 20, 30-YEAR FUTURE. SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THIS SLIDE DECK AGAIN. I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A NOTE AND PAINT A GOOD -- A GOOD PICTURE OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING AND LEAVE THAT FOR THE MEETING FOR THIS ITEM, A GOOD, STRONG PICTURE FOR THE FUTURE. THANK YOU, NICK. >> Mayor Guajardo: YOU'RE WELCOME. COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO JUST AT LEAST PLUG IN ONE MORE LAST THING, WHICH I THINK IS, AGAIN, A VERY, VERY LOW HANGING FRUIT IN WHICH WE HAVE SAID, WHICH IS CONSERVATION, RIGHT? WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH HEAVY INDUSTRY US. US, WE THE PEOPLE, WITH THE RESIDENTS, TO SEE WHAT IS IT THAT THEY CAN DO AND TO SHOW US -- BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO INVEST IN THEIR TECHNOLOGY OR IN THEIR EQUIPMENT IF OUR WATER IS SO CHEAP. SO, AGAIN, CONSERVATION IS ANOTHER VERY LOW, HANGING FRUIT THAT BECAN ADDRESS AND WE CAN ADDRESS AND WE CAN EXTEND THOSE POSSIBLE DEADLINES. BUT THAT'S THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO. AGAIN, WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH WATER WE ACTUALLY DO NEED FOR OUR REGION FOR -- SO -- ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THAT MESSAGE OUT. CONSERVATION. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. I MIGHT ADD THAT SLIDE THERE, I DON'T THINK ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS WERE VOTED ON BY THIS COUNCIL -- OR BY A COUNCIL, SO THEY'RE NOT IN STONE BY ANY MEANS. I'M SORRY, MRS. CABALLERO, IF YOU'D PLEASE STOP BREAKING DECORUM, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. IF WE HAD EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM MAKING THE SAME SOUNDS AND SNIPPETS, IT WOULDN'T BE GOOD. I'M ASKING YOU KINDLY TO PLEASE STOP. MA'AM, PLEASE STOP. >> [OFF MIC B] >> Mayor Guajardo: SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. SO PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. >> City Secretary: MAYOR, PUBLIC COMMENT. >> Mayor Guajardo: YES. SO WE CAN LINE UP HERE. >> OKAY. MICHAEL MILLER, DISTRICT 2. AND, MAYOR, YOU'RE CORRECT, ALL WA WATER PROJECTS HAVE RISKS, AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, AND I KNOW THAT THIS PROJECT HAS RISKS AS WELL. I PERSONALLY SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, BUT I'D BE LYING IF I DIDN'T HAVE PREVIOUS CONCERNS BEFORE TODAY, AFTER HEARING THE DETAILS. FIRST OF ALL, I FEEL A LOT BETTER ABOUT IT. NUMBER ONE, DR. YOUNG'S PRESENTATION WAS -- I LEARNED SO MUCH ABOUT GROUNDWATER TODAY, IT'S INSANE. AND THE ONE THING THAT I LIKED ABOUT ALL OF HIS RESPONSES WERE, WHENEVER ANYBODY GAVE HIM A DIRECT QUESTION, HE GAVE A VERY DIRECT ANSWER AND HE DELIVERED IT VERY CONFIDENTLY, THERE WASN'T A LOT OF DANCING AROUND, THERE WASN'T A LOT OF LOOKING UP AT THE CEILING AND TRYING TO GRASP FOR WORDS, WHICH I FELT LIKE I SAW A LOT OF WHENEVER WE WOULD HAVE INNER HARBOR DESAL PROJECT CONVERSATIONS. SECOND THING, I READ THE APPRAISAL AND I HAD SOME INITIAL CONCERNS, BUT THEN I ASKED MYSELF, WHY ARE WE DOING A LAND APPRAISAL VERSUS A WATER APPRAISAL? AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE ASKING FOR AN ESTIMATE FOR A GALLON OF MILK AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING A PRICE OF A COW AND BEEF. RIGHT? SO WHAT I WOULD CHALLENGE STAFF TO DO DURING OUR OPTION PERIOD IS TO DO KIND OF A COMMERCIAL ANALYSIS, RIGHT? SO LIKE IN BUSINESS, WHENEVER WE LOOK AT ACQUISITIONS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WE LOOK AT EDITA. SO I WAS DOING SOME GOOGLING A LITTLE WHILE AGO, I WAS DOING WHAT IS THE EBB BY DA FOR PUBLIC UTILITY, IT'S LIKE SIX TO 14 TIMES X, SO YOU NEED TO LOOK AT HOW MANY GALLONS OF WATER TIMES 365, AND THEN BACK INTO THIS NUMBER AND FIGURE OUT IF THIS IS A GOOD DEAL OR NOT. I THINK THE MATH THAT YOU'LL FIND IS IT'S PROBABLY A PRETTY GOOD DEAL. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. SHARE THOSE WITH YOU, AND I FEEL CONFIDENT WITH THIS PROJECT. I SUPPORT IT, AND GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> OKAY. CHLOE TORRES, DISTRICT 2. SO THERE'S A LARGE GROUP OF CONSTITUENTS, MYSELF INCLUDED, WHO HOLD GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE LACK OF RESPONSIVE AND RESPONSIBLE LONG-TERM WATER MANAGEMENT STRATEGY. AND THIS IS AT THE CRUX OF WHY WE ENGAGED WITH THE FIGHT AGAINST INNER HARBOR FOR SO LONG. WE HAVE SUFFERED DIRECTLY THE CONSEQUENCES OF POLICY DECISIONS THAT PRIORITIZED CORPORATE GREED RATHER THAN HUMAN NEEDS. AND WERE MADE NOT ONLY WITH OUR CONSULTATION, BUT WITHOUT OUR CONSENT. WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THAT YOU CHANGE COURSE AND TO COMMIT TO COGOVERNING WITH THE PUBLIC, ESPECIALLY THOSE OF US WHO THE CITY HAS LONG IGNORED OR FORCED TO BEAR THE MOST NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. I'M GROUNDING ALL OF THIS IN HOPE TO IMPRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS NEW LEDGE SLAY TIF ORIENTATION WITH THE RECENT REPORT FROM PROPUBLICA, THE SCRAMBLE FOR WATER OFF OF AN ECONOMY THAT THRIVES OFF OF EXTRACTIVE AND HAZARDOUS PRACTICES IS HAVING DEVASTATING PRACTICES. ACCORDING TO A REPORT THAT ANALYZED 22 YEARS OF DATA THAT CAME FROM A NASA PROGRAM CALLED GRACE, THE AREAS OF THE EARTH THAT ARE EXPERIENCING CATASTROPHIC WATER LOSS ARE BECOMING SO LARGE AND INTERCONNECTED THAT THEY ARE FORMING INTO MEGAREGIONS, GROWING TWICE THE SIZE OF CALIFORNIA EVERY YEAR. ONE OF THOSE REGIONS COVERS ALMOST THE WHOLE OF EUROPE, THE MIDDLE EAST, NORTH AFRICA AND PARTS OF ASIA, QUOTING DIRECTLY FROM THE ARTICLE, AND THE AMERICAN SOUTHWEST AND CALIFORNIA, THIS REGION NOW EXTENDS THROUGH TEXAS AND UP THROUGH THE SOUTHERN HIGH PLAINS WHERE THE OH, GALA LA AQUIFER IS DEPENDED FOR AGURE. THESE REGIONS ARE CONNECTED, NOT BECAUSE THEY RELY ON THE SAME WATER SOURCES, IN MOST CASES THEY DON'T, BUT BECAUSE THEIR POPULATION WILL FACE THE SAME PERILS OF WATER STRESS, THE MOST LIKELY A FOOD CRISIS THAT COULD ULTIMATELY DISPLACE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. SO, OF COURSE, WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO LOSE JOBS TO CURTAILMENT, BUT THEN WE SHOULD ALSO BE INCREDIBLY CONCERN ABOUT A LACK OF LONG-TERM MANAGEMENT WILL DO. QUOTING AGAIN FROM THE ARTICLE, RESEARCH HAS LONG ESTABLISHED THAT PEOPLE TAKE MORE WATER FROM UNDERGROUND WHEN CLIMATE DRIVEN HEAT AND DROUGHT ARE AT THEIR WORST. FOR EXAMPLE, DURING DROUGHTS IN CALIFORNIA HAS ENFORCED RESTRICTIONS ON DELIVERY OF SURFACE WATER TO ITS FARMERS, WHICH THE STATE REGULATES, THE ENORMOUS AGRICULTURAL ENTERPRISES THAT DOMINATE THE CENTRAL VALLEY HAVE DRILLED DEEPER AND PUMPED HARDER, DEPLETING THE AQUIFER WHICH THE STATE REGULATES LESS PRECISELY AND EVEN MORE SO. JAING IS GOING TO PICK UP WHERE I LEFT OFF, SO I WANTED TO END, IT'S MY BIRTHDAY TODAY, AND I'M CONTENT WITH SPENDING MUCH OF THE DAY HERE. I CAME TO COUNCIL ON MY BIRTHDAY AND MANY OTHER DAYS BECAUSE OF THE SAME REASON. I WANT FOR NOTHING MORE IN THE WORLD TO ENJOY THE HOME THAT I SHARE WITH THOSE I LOVE AND THOSE WHO HAVE LOVED ME, BY COCREATING A COMEURNTY THAT PRIORITIZES THE CARE OF THOSE WHO NEED IT MOST, INCLUDING OUR ENVIRONMENT, MORE SPECIFICALLY OUR WATERWAYS THAT ARE BEING RAVAGED. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> HELLO, JAKE HERNANDEZ, CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT 2. I'M GOING TO BE PICKING UP WHERE CHLOE LEFT OFF. AS A REMINDER, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF EXCESSIVE GROUNDWATER WITHDRAWALS. SO FOR THE MOST PART, SUCH WITHDRAWALS HAVE REMAINED INVISIBLE, EVEN WITH THE GRAY STATUS, SCIENTISTS CANNOT MEASURE THE EXACT MEASURES OR KNOW WHEN AN AQUIFER WILL BE EXHAUSTED. BUT THERE IS ONE FOOL PROOF SIGN THAT GROUNDWATER IS DISAPPEARING. THE VISIBLE SIGNS OF SUCH SUBSIDENCE AROUND THE WORLD APPEAR TO MATCH WHAT THE GRACE STATUS SAYS, MEXICO CITY IS SINKING AS GROUNDWATER AQUIFERS ARE DRAINED, AS ARE LARGE PARTS OF CHINA, INDONESIA, SPAIN AND IRAN, TO NAME A FEW. A RECENT STUDY BY RESEARCHERS AT VIRGINIA TECH AND IN A JOURNAL NATURE CITIES FOUND THAT 28 CITIES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES ARE SINKING. NEW YORK, DENVER AND HOUSTON AMONG THEM. THREATENING HAVOC FOR EVERYTHING FROM BUILDING SAFETY TO TRANSIT, AND IN THE CENTRAL VALLEY, THE GROUND SURFACE IS NEARLY 30 VERTICAL FEET LOWER THAN IT WAS IN THE FIRST PART OF THE 20TH CENTURY. PEOPLE AREN'T JUST MISUSING GROUNDWATER, THEY'RE FLOODING THEIR OWN COASTS AND CITIES IN THE PROCESS, THE ARTICLE WARN, AND THAT MEANS THAT THEY ARE ALSO IMPER ILLING SOME OF THE WORLD'S MOST IMPORTANT FOOD PRODUCING AREAS LIKE CITIES FROM SHANGHAI TO NEW YORK. ONCE IN THE OCEANS, OF COURSE, GROUNDWATER WILL NEVER BE AGAIN SUITABLE FOR DRINKING WITHOUT THE EXPENSIVE ENERGY-SUCKING TREATMENT OR THROUGHOUT THE NATURAL CYCLE OF EVAPORATION AND PARTICIPATING AS RAIN. BUT EVEN THEN, IT MAY NO LONGER FALL WHERE IT IS NEEDED MOST. GROUNDWATER IS AN INTERGENERATIONAL RESOURCES THAT IS BEING POORLY MISMANAGED, IF MANAGED AT ALL, THE STUDY STATES. A TREMENDOUS AND EXCEPTIONALLY UNDERVALUED COST TO FUTURE GENERATIONS. THAT SUCH RAPID AND SUBSTANTIAL OVERUSE OF THE GROUNDWATER IS ALSO CAUSING COASTAL FLOODING UNDERSCORES THE COMPOUNDING THREAT OF HIGHER TEMPERATURES. IT MEANS THE MOST DISRUPTIVE EFFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE ARE ENTER TWINED. IMPROVE WATER MANAGEMENT AND REDUCE GROUNDWATER USE NOW AND THE WORLD HAS A TOOL TO SLOW THE RATE OF SEA LEVEL RISE OR FAIL TO ADJUST THE GOVERNANCE AND USE OF GROUNDWATER AROUND THE WORLD AND HUMANITY RISKS SURRENDERING PARTS OF ITS COASTAL CITIES WHILE POURING OUT FINITE RESERVES IT WILL SOLELY NEED AS THE OTHER EFFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE BEGIN TO TAKE PLACE, AND THEY WILL. AND THIS IS A FINAL QUOTE THAT I'LL USE FROM THE ARTICLE. WHAT IS NEEDED MOST IS GOVERNANCE OF WATER THAT RECOGNIZES IT IS A RESOURCE THAT DETERMINES BOTH SOVEREIGNTY AND PROGRESS. SALSBURG, ONE OF THE AUTHORS ADDED, THERE IS NO INTERNATIONAL FRAMEWORK FOR WATER MANAGEMENT AND ONLY A HANDFUL OF COUNTRIES HAVE A WATER POLICY OF THEIR OWN. I THINK THIS GOES TO STATE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO BE REGULAR LAILTED AND MANAGED PROPERLY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> HELLO, COUNCIL. MY NAME IS CHRIS, CHOIR, NUECES COUNTY. I'LL TAKE JUST A MINUTE OF YOUR TIME. WHENEVER I HEAR THE WORD PERPETUAL, IT GIVES ME COMFORT, SE CURTTY, BUT I JUST WANT TO -- FOR THE FAIRNESS OF CLARITY, I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU, THAT'S TRUE IN EVERYTHING BUT GROUNDWATER. YOU HAVE THE PERPETUAL RIGHT TO THAT WATER IN THIS PURCHASE, YOU DON'T HAVE THE PERPETUAL RIGHT TO THE PERMIT OR FOR THE PERMIT FOR THAT AMOUNT FOREVER AND EVER. SO BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT DECISION, KEEP IN MIND THAT 30-YEAR DEBT WITH MAYBE A TWO-YEAR, EVERY TWO, YEAR, EVERY THREE YEAR REPERMITING PROCESS FOR THE AMOUNT OF WATER YOU GET. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, SIR. >> SUZIE SALDAÑA, CORPUS CHRISTI, TEXAS. I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR REALLY WORKING AS HARD AS YOU HAVE ON THIS SOLUTION AS A SHORT-TERM SOLUTION. BUT MOST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR HAVING GONE THROUGH ALL THAT TROUBLE TO GET YOU A SOLUTION FOR SHORT-TERM. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CANTU THAT SAYS, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LONG-TERM ALSO, AND I'M EXPECTING YOU TO DO THAT, BUT YOU'RE TAKING A BIG STEP FORWARD TODAY IN BEING ABLE TO SOLVE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE. SO STICK TO WHAT YOU'RE DOING, YOU'RE WORKING, AND THAT'S WHAT COUNTS. AND FROM WE, THE PEOPLE, THE ONES THAT I HEAR, THE EVERY DAY PEOPLE THAT TALK TO US, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR WORKING SO HARD, THANK YOU FOR GOING THROUGH ALL THE TURMOIL THAT YOU HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH, AND MOST OF ALL, STAFF, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. I PROBABLY DON'T NEED THAT. I'M REALLY LOUD, SO... SHARON SED WIG, 5501 SIERRAS, CORPUS CHRISTI, TEXAS. I UNFORTUNATELY LIVE IN DISTRICT 3. THERE WAS A LOW BROW COMMENT MADE EARLIER TODAY FROM ONE COUNCILMEMBER DIRECTED TO ANOTHER, AND THAT'S EXACT -- AND THIS WAS NOT IN MY NOTES, BUT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI IS SICK TO DEATH OF IS THE BACKFIGHTING AND LOW-BROW COMMENTS ABOUT EACH OTHER, ABOUT THIS WONDERFUL STAFF THAT WE HAVE THAT IS LITERALLY WORKING THEMSELVES TO DEATH. AND MY VOICE IS SHAKING BECAUSE I'M REALLY PRETTY ANGRY THAT THIS IS WHAT IS SO IMPORTANT IS THE BACKFIGHTING. A COUPLE OF THINGS, ON EVANGELINE, ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS THAT ALL THE LANDOWNERS HAVE NOT SIGNED ON, SO WILL THAT, THEN, DELAY IT AS LONG AS THE LANDOWNERS HAVEN'T ALL SIGNED ON? THAT'S A BIG CONCERN. I'VE LISTENED TO THE APPRAISAL VALUE, BUT $61 MILLION OVER APPRAISAL VALUE? WE DON'T EVEN DO THAT IN OIL AND GAS. WE DON'T GO THAT HIGH ON OIL AND GAS. THE EAGLE FORD SHALE WOULD DEFINITELY TEACH YOU THAT. THE OTHER BIG CONCERN I HAVE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ALL SAY YOU'RE FOR DESAL, BUT YET AGAIN, WE'RE NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE, AND THAT THE GROUNDWATER IS TEMPORARY. IT'S SHORT TERM. THAT'S -- I KEEP HEARING THAT, BUT WE'RE PUTTING SO MUCH INTO GROUNDWATER. SO I'LL DEFER TO THE BANKER ON THE BOARD, WHAT IS SHORT TERM? 24 36 60 72? THE LONGER YOU KICK DESAL OUT, THIS QUITS BECOMING SHORT TERM. AND I THOROUGHLY ENJOYED YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT GROUNDWATER, WITHOUT RECHARGE, IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. AND IF YOU KEEP KICKING A LONG-TERM RESOURCE LIKE DESAL DOWN THE ROAD, THIS IS NO LONGER A SHORT-TERM SOLUTION. I'M GOING TO LEAVE THIS WITH YOU: IT'S FROM THE REIN OF THE ANCIENT MARINER BY SAMUEL COLLECTOR RIDGE. WATER, WATER EVERYWHERE, NOR ANY DROP TO DRINK. . >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK Y YOU. . >> MARILYNNA GARZA, DISTRICT ONE. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT LIVE IN SAN PATRICIO, AND I'M GOING TO BE READING AN EXCERPT FROM ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS WHO HAS A FAMILY IN INGLESIDE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK BUT ONLY HAS A MINUTE TO SPEAK. TODAY I'M ASKING YOU TO PROTECT PEOPLE BEFORE PROJECTS. CORPUS CHRISTI SUPPLIES WATER TO FAMILIES AND SMALL BUSINESSES ACROSS NUECES AND SAN PATRICIO COUNTY. WHEN YOU TIGHTEN THE SPIGOT ON RESIDENTS WHILE LEAVING NO SUCH THING WITH INDUSTRIAL, YOU'RE ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL. MATHIS IS STARING DOWN REAL SHORTAGES. MEANWHILE OUR NEIGHBORS IN SAN PATRICIO COUNTY ARE APPROACHING CRITICAL THRESHOLDS WITH EMERGENCY WELL DRILLING ON THE TABLE. PRETENDING THIS IS ONLY A CORPUS PROBLEM IS WRONG. TEXAS LAW IS CLEAR ABOUT WHO COMES FIRST WHEN WATER IS APPROPRIATED, DOMESTIC AND MUNICIPAL USES HAVE THE TOP PREFERENCE AHEAD OF INDUSTRIAL USES. AND JUST TO LOOK THAT UP, THAT TEXAS WATER CODE 11.024. DURING DROUGHT EMERGENCIES, TCEQ CAN SUSPEND OR ADJUST WATER RIGHTS, BUT IT MUST DO SO IN A WAY THAT ONE, MAXIMIZES BENEFICIAL USE AND CONFORMS TO THE ABOVE-STATED LAW. WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO DO IS AFFIRM THAT DOMESTIC AND MUNICIPAL NEEDS ACROSS NUECES AND SAN PATRICIO COUNTIES WILL BE PRIORITIZED OVER FURTHER INDUSTRIAL INCREASES UNTIL NEW SUPPLY ACTUALLY EXISTS, NOT JUST ON PAPER. YOU CAN'T KEEP ASKING FAMILIES TO DO MORE WITH LESS WHILE GREEN LIGHTING GROWTH THAT TAKES MORE AND MORE. FOLLOW THE LAW'S PRIORITY, PROTECT BOTH NUECES AND SAN PATRICIO COMMUNITIES AND STOP TREATING RESIDENCES AS THE EMERGENCY RESERVOIR FOR EVERYONE ELSE. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK Y YOU. >> HENRY WILLIAMS, DISTRICT ONE. TO THE MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, CITY COUNCIL MEN AND WOMEN, CITY SECRETARY, YOU KNOW, MAYOR, I WOULD NOT COME HERE WITHOUT SPEAKING WORDS OF FAITH. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO DOUBT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO RUN OUT OF WATER. OKAY. AND PROJECTING MANY, MANY YEARS INTO THE FUTURE, OKAY, WE NEED TO REMEMBER WHO WE ARE. AND I'VE HEARD SOME VERY MEMORABLE WORDS STATED HERE TODAY WORKING TOGETHER TO FIND -- YOU KNOW, AN AGREEABLE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM. DIVERSIFYING A PORTFOLIO AND SO FORTH. AND THERE IS A SCRIPTURE WHICH SAYS THAT MEN OUGHT ALWAYS PRAY AND NOT LOSE HEART, OKAY. YOU KNOW, AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, YOU KNOW, AND THE STAFF. YOU KNOW, THE -- ALL OF THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE, YOU KNOW, IN PRESENTING EXCELLENT PRESENTATIONS. BUT WE MUST BE A PEOPLE OF FAITH WE MUST TRUST GOD AND WHICH MUST TRUST JESUS CHRIST TO BRING FORTH THE WATER. HE HAS CREATED WATER, AND HE WILL -- HE WILL CERTAINLY NOT FAIL US, BUT WE MUST BE A PEOPLE OF FAITH. THANK YOU. GOD BLESS YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, SIR. >> RACHEL CABALLERO, D1, MAYOR, I APOLOGIZE FOR BREATHING TOO LOUDLY. I'M GOING TO WORK ON THAT, I PROMISE. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THERE'S A REASON WHY WE COME HERE WEEK AFTER WEEK FIRS FRUSTRATED BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME CONVERSATIONS, NO DECISION-MAKING IS HAPPENING, AND YOU HAVE TWO DECADES OF CITY COUNCILMEMBERS WHO FOR SOME REASON NEVER TOOK SERIOUSLY THAT THIS IS A DROUGHT AREA, LIKE -- WE -- YOU KNOW THIS. THE CITY MANAGER CAME HERE KNOWING THIS SIX VERY LONG YEARS AGO. SO I'D LIKE TO SAY FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE DISTORTED MANY OF OUR INVOLVEMENT TO BEING HERE AS SOMETHING NEGATIVE, WE HAVE TO COME HERE TO WATCH YOU ALL, BECAUSE YOU'VE PROVEN TO BE LIARS AND PROVEN TO BE UNTRUSTWORTHY, AND YOU ALL HAVE FAILED TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR THIS DROUGHT. AND THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE TO PAY SO MUCH OVER THE VALUE IS BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE SITTING BEHIND THIS DAIS HAVE PUT US IN A STATE OF DESPERATION. SO YOU HAVE THESE OUTER LYING PLACES, LET'S -- SAYING LET'S GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK. IT'S -- IT IS TIME TO STOP PASSING THE BUCK. THIS IS A -- AS LONG AS WE STAY GOOD ADVOCATES AND TRANSPARENT WITH OUR NEIGHBORS IN SAN PATRICIO, WE ARE TRANSPARENT WITH THIS COMMUNITY, THEN THIS IS A VIABLE PROJECT THAT CAN HELP THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN. WHAT I ASK YOU ALL IS TO START INVOLVING COMMUNITY ADVOCATES, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, NONE OF THESE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO TAKE THE COMMUNITY OUT OF DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS, SO WE NEED TO FIND THE RIGHT PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO PULL US OUT OF DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS. I STILL THINK IT'S VERY ODD THAT WE'RE SELLING WATER BEFORE THE COMMUNITY GETS OUT OF DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS. IT'S VERY STRANGE FOR ME. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S DOING THE CONFIGURING BACK THERE, BUT WE NEED TO COME OUT OF DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS AND THEN CONTINUE THE SALE OF WHATEVER WATER IS AVAILABLE, BUT THAT HAS TO BE A PRIORITY, COUNCIL, THAT THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS GET OUT OF RESTRICTIONS ON ONE OF THESE POSSIBLE FUTURE PROJECTS, AND THAT WE DON'T DESTROY OUR CORPUS CHRISTI BAY, OUR ESTUARIES OR OUR TOURISM HERE. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE. I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYONE PLEASE SUBMIT THEIR VOTE. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. SO WE ARE GOING TO -- LET'S SEE HERE. LET ME READ THIS. WE'RE GOING TO BREAK FOR LUNCH AND RETURN, SO THE COUNCIL'S GOING TO GO INTO -- >> Barrera: CAN WE DO ITEM TWUN? IT'S JUST APPROPRIATE THE MONEY. >> Mayor Guajardo: IS THERE GOING TO BE. >> Barrera: I MOVE FOR APPROVAL ON ITEM 21. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: WE'RE GOING TO FINISH OFF THIS LAST ITEM THAT HAS TO DO WITH EVANGELINE. SO THE ITEM IS NUMBER 21, CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION RELATING TO ESTABLISHING THE CITY'S INTENTION TO REIMBURSE ITSELF FOR THE PRIOR LAWFUL EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS RELATED TO ANY CAPITAL EXPENDITURES FROM THE PROCEEDS OF ONE OR MORE SERIES OF TAX-EXEMPT OR TAXABLE OBLIGATIONS TO BE ISSUED BY THE CITY IN AN AGGREGATE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $169,500,000 FOR AUTHORIZED PURPOSES, INCLUDING THE EVANGELINE GROUNDWATER RIGHTS PROJECT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND DID WE HAVE A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. DID WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? I'LL OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM NUMBER 21. OKAY. THERE BEING NO PUBLIC COMMENT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO BREAK AND THE COUNCIL'S GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON ITEMS 28 AND 29 PER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTIONS 551.071 551.072 AND 551.074. WE WILL RETURN. [CITY COUNCIL IN EXECUTIVE SESSION] [EXECUTIVE SESSION] [EXECUTIVE SESSION] >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. WELCOME BACK. WE ARE GOING TO RECONVENE THE MEETING AND WE ARE GOING TO ITEM NO. 22 AND ITEM NO. 22 IS A RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE PETITIONS AND OTHER APPROPRIATE INFORMATION AND DOCUMENTS TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE CORPUS CHRISTI AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY CONSERVATION DISTRICT TO INCLUDE CITY-OWNED PROPERTIES IN THE DISTRICT UNDER TEXAS WATER CODE SECTION 36.321. >> HELLO, MAYOR, COUNCIL. FOR THE RECORD, MYE IS ESTEBAN RAMOS. I AM THE WATER RESOURCE MANAGER FOR CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, CORPUS CHRISTI WATER. BEFORE YOU IS A PETITION TO THE CORPUS CHRISTI AQUIFER STORAGE AND CONSERVATION DISTRICT TO INCLUDE CITY-OWNED PROPERTIES WITHIN THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DISTRICT. THE DISTRICT IS A GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT. IT IS DEDICATED TO THE PROTECTION AND ENHANCEMENT OF GROUNDWATER RESOURCES IN THE CORPUS CHRISTI AREA. AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. IN ADDITION TO FOCUSING ON GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION AND AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY, WHICH IS A METHOD OF STORING EXCESS SURFACE WATER IN THE AQUIFER. A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHO AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY OR THE DISTRICT IS, IT IS A GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT. IT WAS CREATED IN 2005 BY SENATE BILL 1831 IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS WATER CODE CHAPTER 36. THE BOUNDARIES OF THE DISTRICT ARE DESCRIBED IN SENATE BILL 1831 TO BE CO-EXTENSIVE WITH THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI'S CITY LIMITS, WHICH ALSO INCLUDE AREAS OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. IN SAN PAT COUNTY AND ALSO ARANSAS AND KLEBERG COUNTIES. IT IS MANAGED THROUGH AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY AND DISTRICT MANAGEMENT OPERATIONS AND ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIVITIES OF THE DISTRICT. THE DISTRICT IS GOVERNED BY FIVE-MEMBER BOARD OF DIRECTORS ELECTED ON FOUR-YEAR TERMS. THE CCASRCD'S CORE OBJECTIVES IS THE PROTECTION OF GROUNDWATER QUALITY, SUPPORT REGIONAL WATER PLANNING, ENHANCE WATER SUPPLY RELIABILITY, PROMOTE PUBLIC AWARENESS, AND ENSURE REGULATORY COMPLIANCE. THE PETITION BEFORE YOU RECOMMENDED IS TO INCLUDE CERTAIN CITY-OWNED PROPERTIES INTO THE DISTRICT. THESE PROPERTIES ARE 100% OWNED BY THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND ENCOMPASS THE EASTERN AND WESTERN WELLFIELDS ALONG THE NUECES RIVER. SOME KEY ADVANTAGES OF INCLUDING THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE DISTRICT ARE: IT IS A PATHWAY TO REGULATORY ACTIVITIES. IT PROVIDES THE DISTRICT THE ABILITY TO MANAGE THE CITY'S GROUNDWATER RESOURCES IN THE SAME MANNER AS OTHER GROUNDWATER RESOURCES. IT ALSO BRINGS CONSISTENCY AND PREDICTABILITY TO THE CITY'S GROUNDWATER RESOURCES. A LITTLE MORE ON THE GROUNDWATER WELLS. WE HAVE DISCUSSED THESE IN THE PAST. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE GROUNDWATER IN THE NUECES RIVER, GROUNDWATER WELLS ARE TWO WELLFIELDS, THE WESTERN AND EASTERN WELLFIELDS TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 28 MGD. 11 FROM THE EASTERN WELLFIELD AND 17 FROM THE WESTERN WELLFIELD. THIS WATER IS TO BE CONVEYED DOWN THE NUECES RIVER AND THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI HAS ALREADY OBTAINED A PERMIT FROM THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY FOR THAT PURPOSE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVING THE PETITION TO PROTECT AND MANAGE THE GROUNDWATER RESOURCES OWNED BY THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. STAFF RECOMMENDS TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION TO AUTHORIZE THE PETITIONS AND OTHER APPROPRIATE INFORMATION DOCUMENTS TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE CORPUS CHRISTI AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY DISTRICT. INCLUDED CITY-OWNED PROPERTIES IN THE DISTRICT UNDER TEXAS WATER CODE SECTION 36.321. I STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Guajardo: ESTEBAN, WHAT WOULD BE -- WE HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF E-MAILS AND WE'VE READ THEM ALL. I'M NOT SURE WHO SENT THEM. PROBABLY SO THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM. BUT I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE FOR NOT PETITIONING. BECAUSE THE CONCERN IS CLEAR. I GUESS OUR LAND IS OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS BUT IT'S CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI LAND IN NUECES COUNTY. >> UH-HUH. >> Mayor Guajardo: AND WE'RE SAYING WE'D LIKE THOSE PIECES OF LAND TO BE IN THE AQUIFER -- OUR DISTRICT. >> YES. SO THE PETITION WOULD REQUEST -- THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI WOULD REQUEST THAT THE LANDS 100% OWNED BY THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES OF THE CCASRD, IE THE DISTRICT. AND WHAT ARE THE ADVANTAGES? IT'S ALL ABOUT PROTECTING RESOURCES. PROTECTING THE VITAL GROUNDWATER RESOURCE OF THE CITY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT -- THE CITY ISN'T THERE TO STOP OR TRY TO IMPEDE ANYTHING THAT THIS PETITION TO CREATE A NUECES COUNTY GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT. IT'S NOT TO DO ANY OF THAT. IT'S JUST THE OWNER OF THIS LAND, IE THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, WANTS TO BE REGULATED AND THE FASTEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO JOIN AN ALREADY-EXISTING GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT. SO IT IS A PATHWAY TO BECOMING REGULATED AND UNDER THE CHAPTER 36 OF THE WATER CODE. >> Mayor Guajardo: MILES. >> Risley: YOU ASKED FOR THE ALTERNATIVE? >> Mayor Guajardo: YES. >> Risley: THE LEGAL ALTERNATIVE. WHAT HAPPENS IS THEN THE -- IF THE NUECES GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS CREATED, THEN THOSE AREAS WOULD REMAIN WITHIN THAT NUECES GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT. THAT DISTRICT WOULD HAVE THE POWER TO POTENTIALLY SHUT DOWN THE CITY'S WELLS THAT IT'S ATTEMPTING TO SUPPLEMENT OUR WATER SUPPLIES WITH. LIMIT THOSE CITY WELLS AND CHARGE US EXPORT FEES, TRANSPORT FEES TO PROVIDE THE WATER TO OUR OWN CITIZENS. WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY AN EXTRA FEE OF UP TO, I BELIEVE THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE INCREASED THAT POTENTIAL FEE UP TO 30% -- 30 CENTS PER THOUSAND. IT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT POTENTIAL FEE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY TO UTILIZE THE WATER THAT WE HAVE OBTAINED. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. COUNCILMAN ROY. THANK YOU. >> Roy: I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS. THIS DISTRICT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE, RIGHT? WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT BASICALLY IT'S GOING TO PROTECT US IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE, IF WE HAVE TO CROSS COUNTY LINES. BUT WHAT IS IT DOING IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE -- I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD NONPARTISAN, BUT IS IT A GROUP THAT IS ALSO GOING TO EQUALLY LOOK OUT FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THE PEOPLE IN THAT DISTRICT? IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS -- AND I THINK EVERYBODY -- THIS IS THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION -- IS THAT PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT IN TERMS OF DAMAGE, SUBSIDENCE, ANYTHING WITHIN THE AREA THAT MAY CAUSE THEM HARM FOR THEIR EXISTING PROPERTY. DOES THAT DISTRICT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE MONITORING THAT, LOOKING AT THINGS SO THAT WE ARE SELF-POLICING OURSELVES? >> YES. THE DISTRICT HAS RULES. >> Roy: THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WANT TO HEAR ABOUT. >> THAT IS RIGHT. SO THIS GOES TO CREATING -- BEING A PART OF A REGULATORY BODY THAT CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING AND HAS RULES IN PLACE FOR EVALUATING PERMITTING GROUNDWATER WELLS WITHIN THE DISTRICT. SO THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER POTENTIAL LANDOWNER THAT HAS A WELL THAT WOULD APPLY. THEY WOULD FOLLOW THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT THAT EXISTS TODAY. THIS ALLOWS TO SECURE THE GROUNDWATER, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE REGULATORY ACTIVITIES WILL BE FOLLOWED. AND SO IT ADDS TO MORE OF A QUICKER PATHWAY FOR THOSE REGULATORY ACTIVITIES, AS YOU JUST DESCRIBED. >> Roy: AND DO YOU THINK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CARRY THAT OUT WITHOUT BEING BIASED? >> I DO, YES. >> Roy: JUST A QUESTION RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. YES, WE HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF E-MAILS OPPOSING THIS. I'M TRYING TO BE, YOU KNOW, OPEN MINDED ABOUT THIS. I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STANDS OUT IS THAT ALL THE PARTICIPANTS ARE CITY STAFF. THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE, YOU KNOW. HOW WOULD THAT BE CHANGED? THE FORMATION OF THE BOARD. >> HOW WOULD IT BE CHANGED? >> Campos: YEAH. WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD MOVE ON? >> YES. THE PATHWAY TO BECOMING A BOARD MEMBER, STAFF RECOMMENDS TO COUNCIL FOR THESE NOMINATIONS, SO THEN THE COUNCIL WOULD APPROVE THOSE MEMBERS TO THE BOARD. >> Campos: BUT RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A BOARD SET UP? >> WE HAVE A BOARD SET UP BY NOMINATIONS TO THE COUNCIL AND THEY'VE APPROVED THOSE BOARD MEMBERS. THE LEGISLATION, YOU KNOW, ALLOWS -- IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE SENATE BILL THAT HOW THE BOARD CAN BE MADE UP. SO IT WOULD BE UP TO COUNCIL TO DETERMINE WHO WOULD WANT TO BE A PART OF THE BOARD OF THE CCASRCD. WE WOULD RECOMMEND OR YOU WOULD PROVIDE NAMES AND NOMINATIONS TO THE BOARD. >> Campos: WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME Y'ALL HAD A MEETING? >> TWO WEEKS AGO. >> Campos: BEFORE THEN? >> THE PREVIOUS MONTH. >> Campos: SO YOU HAVE BEEN MEETING REGULARLY? >> YES. >> Campos: ARE THOSE MINUTES POSTED? >> WE FOLLOW ALL THE PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUIREMENTS. WE HAVE A WEBSITE. I INVITE EVERYBODY TO THE WEBSITE TO LOOK AT THE RULES. AND THEN A PUBLIC INFORMATION -- IF IT'S NOT POSTED NOW, PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST AND WE'LL PROVIDE ANY OF THE MINUTES. >> Campos: BACK AGAIN TO THE MAKEUP OF THE BOARD. IT WOULD BE DONE BY YOUR RECOMMENDATION? >> STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. I AM THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR THE ASRCD. >> Campos: HYPOTHETICALLY, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE FIVE -- HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE? >> FIVE BOARD MEMBERS. >> Campos: THAT ARE ALL CITY STAFF RIGHT? >> YES, MA'AM. >> Campos: SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE WHAT? WHAT WOULD THAT -- I MEAN, JUST HYPOTHETICALLY, WHAT WOULD YOU BE LOOKING AT? I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE IN THE NUECES COUNTY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS. >> I WOULD RECOMMEND, IF WE HAD A NEW APPOINTEE TO THE BOARD, THAT THEY HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE OF THE GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT. THEY LIVE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES, SO THEY WOULD BE AFFECTED. AND SO THEY WOULD BE PART OF THE DISTRICT. WHEN YOU SAY "OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT," I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND SOMEBODY OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT BEING ON A BOARD THAT -- >> Campos: WELL, IN NUECES COUNTY. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT IN -- SOME OF OUR WELLS ARE NOT -- I MEAN, THEY'RE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS TO THEY'D BE -- >> AGAIN, IT WOULD BE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE DISTRICT THAT ARE BEING REGULATED. SO THE PETITION THAT I THINK YOU'RE DESCRIBING THAT'S OUTSIDE, THAT IS AREAS OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES. SO I WOULDN'T INCLUDE THAT PERSON OR PERSONS TO BE INCLUDED ON THE BOARD THAT GOVERNS BOUNDARIES WITHIN THAT JURISDICTION. >> Campos: HUH. BUT IT'S SORT OF LIKE THE OTHER WAY AROUND RIGHT NOW. WE'RE KIND OF -- >> ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE WITHIN THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES. >> Campos: AND YOU'RE SELF-REGULATING YOURSELF. BUT WATER IS FLUID. YOU KNOW, IT AFFECTS -- YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE AIR. YOU CAN'T CONTAIN IT. WHATEVER WE DO HERE WILL AFFECT SURROUNDING AREAS, SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS. SO YOU WOULD THINK YOU WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS PART OF THE MAKEUP OF THE BOARD. I'M JUST SAYING. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE CONCERNS. BUT I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE OTHERS HAVE TO SAY. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: SO WHO'S ON THE BOARD? THE NAMES. >> THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD ARE NICK WINKLEMANN, JEFF EDMONDS, DANIEL MCGINN, RYAN AND BILL. >> Vaughn: THE COUNCIL GETS TO RECOMMEND SOMEONE? >> YOU WOULD APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION. >> Vaughn: I SEE WHERE SHE'S GOING BECAUSE IT'S ALL CITY STAFF. WE DON'T WANT TO BE BIASED. SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO LIVES IN THE AREA OUT THERE, I'M ALL FOR THAT. AND A PROFESSIONAL WHO UNDERSTANDS GROUNDWATER. JUST A SUGGESTION. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN BARRERA. >> Barrera: THANK YOU. NOW, FOR THIS INITIATIVE ABOUT THE APPLICATION THEY HAVE DONE FOR THE NUECES COUNTY GROUNDWATER DISTRICT. HOW IS THAT THEY NOMINATED CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS. I DON'T, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHO THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE. BUT THAT WAS A PETITION SENT TO THE TCEQ FOR APPROVAL. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE AN ELECTION OF THOSE BOARD MEMBERS. AND ACTUALLY AN ELECTION OF THE BOARD, OF THE DISTRICT. >> Barrera: OKAY. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN ELECTION TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. >> UH-HUH. >> Barrera: AND SO ARE THEY GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS WE ARE? >> THEY ARE. THEY'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW CHAPTER 36. >> Barrera: THEY'LL FOLLOW CHAPTER 36. SO BASICALLY THE AMOUNT OF -- AS I INDICATED BEFORE WHEN WE HAD DR. STEVE YOUNG -- MAN, I LOVED HIM ON THE 49ers. THERE WOULD BE A LIMITATION SET ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER THERE COULD BE. I THINK THERE'S A DISTRUST FOR GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW? IT'S THE SAME THING. WE'RE DOING A LAND GRAB. WE'RE BULLIES. YOU KNOW, THAT'S -- I CAN MOVE OVER A LITTLE BIT. WHAT IS IT? AND SO I THINK THAT'S A CHALLENGE. IT'S JUST WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT THE RIGHT TO GET WATER. SO IF WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS, IS THERE A REGULATORY REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE COULD GET FROM OUR OWN LAND? AND THEY HAVE THEIRS. BECAUSE NOW TCEQ SAYS THERE'S GOING TO BE LIMITATIONS BECAUSE OF THE STUDY WE'RE DOING, OF HOW MUCH GROUNDWATER WE CAN WITHDRAW CORRECT? >> IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE TCEQ, THAT IS UNDER THE BED AND BANKS APPLICATION. AND THAT DEALS WITH HOW MUCH THE WATER QUALITY FROM TDS AFFECTS ON CONVEYING THAT GROUNDWATER DOWN. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DISTRICT, EACH DISTRICT -- AND GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICTS ARE UNIQUE. GROUNDWATER ITSELF, NOW THAT WE'RE MOVING INTO THE GROUNDWATER WORLD, IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT BEAST THAN SURFACE WATER RIGHTS. CORPUS CHRISTI HAS LIVED ON SURFACE WATER FOR DECADES. NOW WE'RE IN A NEW ERA OF GROUNDWATER. AND GROUNDWATER RULES AND REGULATIONS, AS YOU HEARD FROM STEVE YOUNG, ARE DIFFERENT. THEY'RE VERY UNIQUE. EACH GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, YOU KIND OF ALWAYS -- THEY'RE KIND OF DESCRIBING LITTLE FIEFDOMS WORKING WITHIN THE RULES AND REGULATIONS. BUT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BOARDS. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ABILITIES TO DESCRIBE THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT ARE DESCRIBED FOR THEIR PROTECTION OF THE GROUNDWATER WITHIN THEIR BOUNDARIES. AND NOT ALL THE TIME DO THEIR BOUNDARIES FOLLOW ANY TRUE GEOGRAPHIC, YOU KNOW, FAULT LINES OR COUNTY LINES. THEY'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND THERE'S OVER 200 DIFFERENT GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICTS. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WOULD -- THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI WOULD FOLLOW THE RULES AND REGULATIONS UNDER THE EXISTING CCASRCD. AT THE SAME TIME, THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI WOULD PETITION UNDER -- ASK FOR A VARIANCE UNDER THIS PETITION TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THEIR WELLS THAT THEY'RE UTILIZING. THIS WOULD BE ARGUMENTS THAT WOULD BE PRESENTED TO THE ASR DISTRICT AND PRESENTED IN FRONT OF THE BOARD MEMBERS FOR APPROVAL. JUST LIKE YOU HEARD STEVE YOUNG TALK ABOUT THE MAGS AND THE DEVELOPMENTS OF THAT SYSTEM AND THOSE NUMBERS CAN BE -- WILL NEED TO BE MODIFIED. BECAUSE NOW, FOR MANY, MANY YEARS THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF GROUNDWATER USAGE WITHIN NUECES COUNTY, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. SO NOW IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE ACTIVE, WE WILL THEN TALK AND PETITION THE GMA, THE GROUNDWATER MANAGEMENT AREA 16, IN THIS CASE, TO REEVALUATE THE MAGS FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA. >> Barrera: YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING TO. SO THE MAGS' THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENT THAT LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT CAN BE PRODUCED. >> THAT IS. AND SO THERE'S A PROCESS ON HOW TO READJUST AND EVALUATE. >> Barrera: MY POINT IS IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS, THEN THEY COULDN'T LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WE WITHDREW. THAT'S THE THING. WHAT WOULD BE -- I KNOW THE THING IS THAT WE WANT CONTROL. AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT THEY DON'T TRUST US. SO I'M JUST SAYING THIS FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAKE SO THAT WAY THEY UNDERSTAND. SO OTHER THAN CONTROL, WHAT'S THE DOWNSIDE OF US NOT MOVING FORWARD IN THIS? >> OTHER THAN CONTROL, WHAT IS THE DOWNSIDE? >> Barrera: IF THEY'RE SUBJECT TO THE SAME REGULATORY REQUIREMENT OF THE MAG AND WE SAY WE WANT TO DRILL AND WE'VE DONE THE MATH, IS THERE A LEGAL WAY WHICH THEY CAN TELL US NO? >> YES. THEY CAN RE-ESTABLISH THE DFCs, THE DESIRED FEATURE CONDITIONS AND THE DRAWDOWN. SO IF THOSE PROPERTIES WITHIN THAT NEWLY-CREATED GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT, THEY COULD LOWER THAT NUMBER AND THEN ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSPORT PERMITS AND ADD ADDITIONAL COST TO THIS SUPPLY. >> Barrera: OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN CANTU. >> Cantu: THANK YOU, MAYOR. WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU GUYS MET? >> WE MET TWO WEEKS AGO. >> Cantu: AND BEFORE THAT? >> ABOUT A MONTH AGO. >> Cantu: I GOT AN E-MAIL STATING THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS HAVEN'T HAD MEETINGS RECORDED SINCE OVER SIX YEARS AGO. IS THAT CORRECT? >> NO. >> Cantu: OKAY. I REALLY THINK WHAT COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN SAID -- I THINK WE NEED PEOPLE OTHER THAN CITY EMPLOYEES, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOME PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE AND STUFF. I WAS JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WITH THE MINUTES AND SUPPOSEDLY ON THE CITY WEBSITE IT SHOWS THAT 2019 WAS THE LAST TIME Y'ALL POSTED THE MINUTES. IS THAT TRUE? >> NO. >> Cantu: OKAY. >> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. I'LL HAVE TO REVIEW AND GET BACK TO YOU. >> Cantu: CAN YOU CHECK ON THAT? BECAUSE I LITERALLY GOT FOUR OR FIVE TEXT MESSAGES STATING THAT THE MINUTES HAVEN'T BEEN POSTED SINCE 2019. >> I'LL CHECK ON IT. >> Cantu: IT'S A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. THE REASONS WHY. SO IF YOU GET BACK TO ME ON THAT, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. >> SURE. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN ROY. >> Roy: SO I HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LISTEN TO SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO, I THINK IT IS IMPERATIVE -- LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION FIRST. WHO DICTATES HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON YOUR BOARD? >> THE LEGISLATION. >> Roy: HOW MANY PEOPLE DO THEY ALLOW? >> THE LEGISLATION PUT FIVE MEMBERS. CREATED A FIVE-MEMBER BOARD. >> Roy: AND NONE OF YOUR CURRENT BOARD MEMBERS ARE COMMUNITY? FROM THE COMMUNITY? >> THEY ARE -- THEY WORK FOR THE CITY. >> Roy: BUT NONE OF THEM ARE INDEPENDENT AND LIVE IN A -- THEY'RE NOT COMMUNITY. THERE'S NO COMMUNITY BOARD MEMBER. >> THEY ARE CITY EMPLOYEES. YES. YEAH. I KIND OF HAVE A HARD TIME COMPLETELY ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE, YES, THEY DO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. >> Roy: OUTSIDE OF WORKING FOR THE CITY, OKAY, ARE THERE ANY BOARD MEMBERS THAT DON'T WORK FOR THE CITY? >> NO. >> Roy: THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THEY LIMIT US TO FIVE. WHY IS THAT? >> I WASN'T HERE IN '05 WHEN THE LEGISLATION WAS CREATED. I COULDN'T DETERMINE WHY THEY JUST LIMITED IT TO FIVE. >> Roy: WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR COUNTERPARTS, EVERY ONE OF HAS FIVE MEMBERS ON THERE? >> ALL GCDs? NO. >> Roy: HOW DO YOU GET THAT CHANGED? >> I'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR ATTORNEYS TO DETERMINE THE CHANGE OF RULES. >> Roy: MILES, HOW DO YOU GET THAT CHANGED IF WE WANT TO ADD MORE BOARD MEMBERS? >> Risley: THAT'S A STATUTE. THAT'S THE LEGISLATION. YOU KNOW, WE ARE A LEGISLATIVELY-CREATED DISTRICT. >> Roy: I JUST SAY THIS BECAUSE OVERALL, TO ME, IT JUST DOESN'T SIT RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION FOR MY VOTE. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO TRY AND CHANGE THAT. I REALLY DO. BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT TODAY IS JUST BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. AND WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS EXPANDING OUR AREAS, WE'RE AFFECTING SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORS. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT GOING OUT THERE AND TALKING TO SINTON AND MATHIS BUT WE NEED TO DO THE SAME THING. WHAT GETS ME IS I'M IN DISTRICT 1. I'M THE FARTHEST NORTHWEST PORTION. I'M THE DISTRICT THAT'S CLOSEST TO WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THESE WELLS IN. AND, YOU KNOW, I LOVE GOING TO WALMART BUT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DUCK BEHIND A COUNTER OR HIDE BEHIND A SECTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A SITUATION THAT ISN'T GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. I THINK WE NEED TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND THAT'S ABOUT THE EXTENT OF WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY ON IT. WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO BE TRANSPARENT AND GOOD NEIGHBORS. THANKS. >> Mayor Guajardo: I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCILMAN. AND I THINK -- I BELIEVE, MILES, YOU CAN'T CHANGE A STATUTE, IT WOULD TAKE SOMETHING FOR US TO PETITION AND WORK THROUGH RYAN TO EXPAND THE BOARD, IF IT WAS CREATED BY THE STATE? >> Risley: WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT CAN WE CHANGE IT BY THE BYLAWS. I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LEGISLATION. THAT'S A MORE INVOLVED QUESTION . THE ANSWER, GENERALLY THE INITIAL SETUP WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE LEGISLATURE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY VERY COMMON AND IT'S THE WAY MOST CONSERVATION DISTRICTS ARE CREATED. THE PETITION CREATION PROCESS HASN'T BEEN USED IN ABOUT 20 YEARS. THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES IN THE LAST 20 YEARS THAT WE'RE SEEING IT USED. IT'S USUALLY DONE BY LEGISLATION. >> I WAS DOING SOME MORE RESEARCH, TALKING TO STEVE YOUNG, AND THIS REQUESTS A PETITIONER OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT ASKING TO BE A PART OF AN ALREADY-CREATED DISTRICT IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I WENT TO LOOK FOR WHERE YOU HAD MEETINGS POSTED AND IT'S NOT IN LEGISTAR GRANICUS. >> City Secretary: NO. YOU DO POST YOUR AGENDAS. THEY'RE ON THE ELECTRONIC BULLETIN BOARD. >> Hernandez: I DID LOOK WHERE IT SAYS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THERE'S THE AGENDA FOR THE LAST MEETING BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S THERE. THERE'S NO HISTORY. THERE'S NO MINUTES. SO WHERE WOULD WE GET THAT ONLINE? >> WE HAVE A WEBSITE. I'LL MAKE SURE THAT ANY MINUTES ARE POSTED TO THAT. AND, IN ADDITION, WE DO POST IN THE DIFFERENT COUNTIES. AGAIN, KLEBERG COUNTY, SAN PAT COUNTY OF OUR MEETINGS. WE MAKE THEM AVAILABLE ALSO ON WEBEX. >> Hernandez: I SEE A WEBEX LINK. >> THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT SO WE'RE OPEN. >> Hernandez: OKAY. I SEE A WEBEX LINK ON THE AGENDA BUT UNLESS YOU KNEW IT WAS ON THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PORTION OF THE WEBPAGE YOU WOULDN'T KNOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE LEGISTAR GRANICUS. LIKE I SAID, THERE'S NO HISTORICAL DOCUMENTATION. IT'S JUST THE AGENDA. SO DO WE HAVE A PLACE WHERE THAT'S HOUSED? >> City Secretary: I DO SEE SOME MINUTES UP TO 2019 THAT ARE ON OUR LASERFICHE WEBSITE. >> Hernandez: I HAVE TO GO TO THE AGENDA FOR THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND THEN TO THE MINUTES FOR THE LASERFICHE SITE? >> City Secretary: THAT'S WHERE I SEE MINUTES RIGHT NOW AND I'M LOOKING ON THE SITE. >> Hernandez: I GUESS IT'S NOT REALLY USER FRIENDLY FOR THE ASPECT OF THIS PARTICULAR BOARD. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS JUST DESIGNED THAT WAY OR JUST IT WAS PUT -- >> NO, IT WASN'T DESIGNED. I'LL MAKE IT MORE USER FRIENDLY, AS YOU WISH. AND WE HAVE A WEBSITE WHERE WE HAVE OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS. WE CAN PUT MORE COMMUNICATION AND OUTREACH ON THERE. >> Hernandez: WELL, YOU HAVE THE SECTION ON THE CITY'S WEBPAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT THE ASR. BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE BOARD MEMBERS LISTED. IT DOESN'T HAVE AGENDAS OR MEETINGS, IT JUST HAS SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE ASR DISTRICT. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S A SEPARATE WEBSITE THAT IS NOT LINKED TO OUR CITY'S WEBPAGE? >> NO, IT IS THAT CITY'S WEBPAGE . YOU SHOULD ALSO SEE OUR MANAGEMENT PLAN. YOU SHOULD ALSO SEE -- >> Hernandez: WELL, ALL THAT'S IN THERE. THAT'S ON THE CITY'S PAGE WHERE IF YOU TYPE IN "CORPUS CHRISTI ASR DISTRICT" ON OUR WEBPAGE, IT WILL LEAD YOU TO A LANDING PAGE WHERE IT HAS INFORMATION WHAT IS AN ASR DISTRICT. WHAT IS THIS. AND THEN IT HAS A REPORT FROM HDR AND SOME OTHER INFORMATION IN THERE. OKAY. BUT THERE'S REALLY -- LIKE I SAID, IT DOESN'T SAY WHO THE MEMBERS ARE. IT DOESN'T SAY, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T GIVE ANY MINUTES. YOU KNOW, DOESN'T SAY WHEN THE MEETINGS ARE. I HAD TO GO OVER TO THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PAGE TO GET THE ACTUAL AGENDA FOR THE OCTOBER 15th. SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S ALL IN ONE PLACE. >> I'LL MAKE IT ALL IN ONE PLACE. >> Hernandez: THEN, YOU KNOW, SO LET ME, YOU KNOW, I'VE SPENT TIME NAVIGATING OUR WEBPAGE. I'M PRETTY SURE THE PUBLIC HAS NOT AND IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT INTUITIVE YET. AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE A PLACE WHERE ALL OUR AGENDAS ARE, FOR THE MOST PART, IN GRANICUS OR LEGISTAR AND THEN IT'S NOT THERE AND THEN YOU GO TRY AND LOOK FOR WHERE EVERYTHING IS AT, THEN YOU GO TO THE LANDING PAGE FOR ASR, IT'S NOT THERE EITHER. >> City Secretary: MR. HERNANDEZ -- SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. I DID LOOK ON OUR BOARD AND COMMITTEE -- >> Hernandez: NO, IT'S THERE. I SAID THAT. IT'S ON THE BOARD AND COMMITTEES PAGE WHERE YOU CAN SCROLL DOWN BUT IT ONLY GIVES YOU THE AGENDA FOR THIS MONTH. >> City Secretary: NO, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. IT GIVES YOU THE MEMBERS. THERE'S A ROSTER. IT'S UNDER WHERE WE HAVE OUR -- ALL OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. [OVERLAPPING VOICES] >> Hernandez: SO THAT'S EVEN A DIFFERENT PAGE. >> City Secretary: BUT THAT'S THE PAGE WHERE WE HAVE ALL OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. >> Hernandez: BUT I WENT TO THAT PAGE AND WENT TO AGENDAS AND THAT'S WHAT CAME UP. >> City Secretary: YES. BUT IF YOU LOOK FOR PLANNING COMMISSION, IT'S ON HERE. >> Hernandez: PLANNING COMMISSION IS ON THIS ONE TOO. >> City Secretary: IT IS THERE. >> I HEAR YOU AND I'M GOING TO MAKE IT BETTER. >> Hernandez: SO IF I'M HAVING TROUBLE FINDING IT AND I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR THE LAST SIX AND A HALF YEARS, WHAT IS THE PUBLIC THINKING ABOUT? YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND SHE CAN FIND IT. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN HERE? 20 YEARS? >> City Secretary: IT'S WHERE WE HAVE ALL OUR BOARD AND COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS. IT'S NOT HIDDEN. >> Hernandez: IT IS NOT READILY AVAILABLE. IT'S NOT ALL THE INFORMATION IN ONE SPOT. WELL, I WENT TO BOARDS. I SAW THIS PAGE. >> [OFF MIC] >> Hernandez: SO WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST ME GOING THROUGH INITIAL LOOKING FOR IT, I COULDN'T FIND IT. WHERE DO YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION IN ONE SPOT? AND IT'S NOT LINKED FROM THE CITY'S PAGE THAT LINKS TO ASR THAT HAS ALL THAT INFORMATION. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY HERE IS MAKE IT USER FRIENDLY, MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO SEE INFORMATION. LINK IT PROPERLY. >> Hernandez: LIKE I SAID, EVEN THOUGH I WAS DOING THE INITIAL SEARCH, IT DIDN'T LEAD ME IN THE RIGHT PLACES, AND IT WASN'T IN LEGISTAR. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. >> Mayor Guajardo: THAT'S OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO FIX IT FOR YOU. >> Hernandez: OKAY. WELL, YOU GOT IT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I APPRECIATE THAT DIALOGUE, BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO REMEMBER THAT WE GET FAMILIAR WITH THINGS, BUT OFTEN THERE'S ANOTHER SIDE OF THE PERSPECTIVE, SO IT'S -- I APPRECIATE THE DIALOGUE. AND THANK YOU, TO ME, THE MAIN THING YOU HAVE ON HERE IS SLIDE 6, WHICH TALKS ABOUT PROTECTING THAT RESOURCE, STREAMLINING MAKING CONSISTENT PROTECTIONS ACROSS THE BOARD. THAT, TO ME, SLIDE 6, OUTLINES THE GOAL. THIS IS THE MISSION, THIS IS WHAT IT'S SET UP TO DO. I WOULD AGREE WITH THE DIALOGUE UP HERE, YOU KNOW, THAT IT LOOKS A LITTLE ONE-SIDED. AND OUR CCW TEAM AND OUR CITY STAFF, THEY'RE GREAT. THEY DO WONDERFUL WORK, BUT WHEN IT'S A DISTRICT REPRESENTING OTHER ENTITIES, I CAN SEE THAT. I SEM SYMPATHIZE WITH THAT. AND WE HAD SOMEBODY SEND US SOME INFORMATION, IT LOOKS LIKE FIVE IS THE MINIMUM AND 11 IS THE MAXIMUM MEMBERS BY STATUTE, I BELIEVE, SO THAT WAS JUST SENT TO US AS A QUICK NOTE ON THERE. AND ANOTHER THING IS, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, ONCE AN ENTITY IS CREATED, LIKE THE NUECES GROUNDWATER DISTRICT, I THINK THAT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S SOME TIME THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO INTO THE CREATION OF THAT ENTITY, BUT I'D BE INTERESTED IN -- MUCH LIKE OUR SURROUNDING MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES AND THINGS WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO SIT DOWN AT A TABLE AND TALK ABOUT INTERESTS, NEEDS, USES, YOU KNOW, DEFICITS, HOW DO WE PROTECT THINGS, SO THAT WE'RE STILL BEING A GOOD PARTNER, BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT, I THINK, TO PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY UP HERE, THAT WE ARE VERY CAREFUL WITH THESE RESOURCES. AND I LIKE THAT WE'RE VERY OPENLY SAYING THAT WE NEED TO TREAT OUR WELLS AS AN INTERMITTENT PROJECT TO BE OH, SO CAREFUL WITH THOSE RESOURCES. AND I'M GRATEFUL THAT THEY'VE TAKEN SUCH ATTENTION TO PROTECTING THAT. BUT SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK THAT THIS BRANCH OFFERS US A MORE EXPEDITED ROUTE TO PROTECT THOSE RESOURCES BECAUSE WE'RE ACTIVELY USING THEM NOW. THAT -- YOU KNOW, ANOTHER GROUNDWATER AUTHORITY IS GOING TO TAKE SOME LINE TO COME ONLINE, AND THAT'S -- FOR ME, THAT'S WHERE I'D SUPPORT IT. BUT I THINK IN THE FUTURE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE BOARD, MAYBE ADDING SOME SEATS, SO THAT WE CAN INCLUDE SOME OF THOSE OTHER PARTNERS, AND THEN, OF COURSE, AS OTHER AUTHORITIES COME ONLINE, BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM IN THIS REGION AS GOOD TEAMMATES. SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS TODAY, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE THE FUTURE TO LOOK LIKE. COUNCILWO MAN VAUGHN? >> Vaughn: MR. RISLEY, CAN YOU JUST CHECK THE STATUTE AND GET BACK TO US, BECAUSE I'M BEING TOLD, TOO, IT'S FIVE WITH A MAXIMUM OF 11. IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER TODAY, BECAUSE WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING UNTIL DECEMBER. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I'M GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENT? WE'LL JUST TAKE ONE AT A TIME. >> BETTY KRANFORD, DISTRICT ONE. I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THE CORPUS CHRISTI STORAGE AND RECOVERY CONSERVATION DISTRICT TO INCLUDE CITY-OWNED PROPERTIES OUTSIDE THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. WHILE I SUPPORT RESPONSIBLE WATER MANAGEMENT, EXTENDING THE DISTRICT'S JURISDICTION OF LAND OUTSIDE THE CITY'S DISTRICT RAISES SIGNIFICANT CONCERNS FAIRNESS GOVERNANCE, AND PROPERTY RIGHTS FOR THE EXISTING RESIDENTS AND LANDOWNERS IN THE AFFECTED UNINCORPORATED AREAS. YOU NEED TO BE COMMENDED FOR HIRING SOME OF THE BEST ENGINEERS THERE ARE. THEY'RE CONSIDERED EXPERTS; HOWEVER, DID Y'ALL -- I NEED TO ENLIGHTEN YOU. DID YOU KNOW THAT Y'ALL -- THAT THIS GROUP HAD HIRED HDR TO PERFORM [INDISCERNIBLE] CHARACTERIZATION STUDY ON THEIR BEHALF. WHAT THEY FOUND WAS THAT THAT AREA OUT THERE IS NOT FAVORABLE BECAUSE OF THE SAND THICKNESS AND NEAR THE CITY OF ROBSTOWN AND NUECES RIVER WERE THE BEST ONES, HOWEVER NEITHER AREA WAS CONSIDERED DESIRABLE FOR ASR. AREAS NEAR THE NUECES RIVER WOULD NEED TO BE EVALUATED FOR SURFACE AND GROUNDWATER INTERACTION ■AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS DUE TO HIGH [INDISCERNIBLE] AND THIN SAND LAYERS WITH FREQUENT INTERMITTENT CLAY, THE AREA IS NOT CONSIDERED AS A FAVORABLE AREA FOR ASR. THIS IS QUOTED DIRECTLY FROM THE STUDY THAT THE ASR HAD CONDUCTED ON THEIR BEHALF. AND THEY FIND THE AREA WHERE THE RIVER WELLS ARE UNACCEPTABLE. I NEED Y'ALL TO ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME INDIVIDUALS DEPEND ON THEIR WELL WATER FOR SURVIVAL. THEN YOU HAVE GEMS LOSING THEIR PUMPS. YOU HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE STARTING TO FUSS ABOUT THE SAND IN THEIR WELLS THAT'S GOING ON, AND I REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF Y'ALL WOULD TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION, THE GCG IS WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY, I'M NOT PART OF IT. I'M A BYSTANDER WHOSE SON HAPPENS TO BE INVOLVED WITH IT, BUT I'M NOT -- YOU KNOW, THEY WILL WORK WITH Y'ALL. THEY'RE NOT HERE TO HARM YOU. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE GOVERNED -- SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BE GOVERNING THEMSELVES, SO THERE'S NO GOVERNANCE WHATSOEVER. BUT FOR THAT REASON, I URGE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE ADVERSE IMPACTS OF THE COMMUNITIES AND REJECT THE PROPOSED EXPANSION. A MORE COLLABORATIVE SOLUTION THAT RESPECTS THE RIGHTS AND INTERESTS OF ALL AFFECTED LANDOWNERS AND RESIDENTS SHOULD BE PURSUED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND MRS. HUERTA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR FINDING THAT, BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO SCRAMBLE ON MY PHONE TO FIND THE 19. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> City Secretary: JUST A REMINDER, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THAT CORPUS CHRISTI HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND NONRESIDENTS HAVE ONE MINUTE TO SPEAK. >> Mayor Guajardo: YES, SIR. >> HELLO, COUNCIL, MY NAME'S CHRIS CHOIR, NUECES COUNTY, ONE MINUTE. AND IT'S ALL ABOUT PROTECTING THE AQUIFER. THAT'S IT. IT'S ALL ABOUT PROTECTING THE AQUIFER. WE HAVE OUR DESIRED CONDITIONS, BUT IT'S ONLY SUSTAINABLE WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT. SO -- AND IT'S NOT ABOUT SELF-REGULATION WITH THE FIRST ACTIVITY TO PETITION TO GAIN ACCESS TO AREAS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY COMMITTED TO, SO THAT YOU CAN CHANGE THE DESIRED FUTURE CONDITIONS TO 80,000-ACRE FEET A YEAR FROM 6700. YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT THE WATER'S THERE. SO YOU CAN DESIRE IT, BUT YOU NEED TO PROVE THAT IT'S THERE BEFORE THOSE CHANGES CAN BE HAPPENING. SO JUST PETITIONING TO TAKE OVER THAT CONTROL SO THAT ANOTHER GCD DOESN'T REGULATE YOU TO THE SAME CONDITIONS THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO BE REGULATED YOURSELF, THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE THAT MAG. YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT IT'S AVAILABLE. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS JACKIE ROGERS. I LIVE IN DISTRICT 5. MY SON, KELLY HARLAN IS A LEAD PETITIONER FOR THE NUECES GROUNDWATER CONSERVATIVE DISTRICT. HE'S WORKING IN FLORIDA TODAY, AND COULD NOT BE HERE TO SPEAK IN THIS VERY IMPORTANT TIME. SO I'M HERE FOR BOTH OF US. WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY, THIS PETITION BY THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI THROUGH ITS AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY CONSERVATION DISTRICT IS WRONG. IT'S UNETHICAL, IT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AND IT WILL NOT WITHSTAND FUTURE LEGAL CHALLENGES. THE ASR DISTRICT IS, IN PRACTICE, A CITY DEPARTMENT. IT IS RUN BY HIGH-LEVEL CITY EMPLOYEES, DEPARTMENT HEADS WHO ANSWER TO THE CITY MANAGER, FOR THE CITY TO PETITION ITSELF TO EXPAND ITS OWN CONTROL OVER GROUNDWATER IS A CLEAR END AROUND THE NUECES GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT PETITION THAT'S ALREADY PENDING. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING IN GOOD FAITH TO CREATE A LOCAL INDEPENDENT DISTRICT TO PROTECT OUR SHARED WATER SOURCES. GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICTS WERE CREATED UNDER TEXAS LAW TO PROTECT, PRESERVE AND CONSERVE GROUNDWATER. THE CITY PETITION DOES NONE OF THESE THINGS. IT DOESN'T PROTECT GROUNDWATER, IT DOESN'T PRESERVE IT, AND IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T CONSERVE IT. INSTEAD, IT'S A POWER GRAB. IT SELF-SERVING, AND IT'S NOT AT ALL NEIGHBORLY. A FEW WEEKS AGO AT THE CITY'S OWN WATER WORKSHOP, I LISTENED AS STAFF DISCUSSED THE IDEA OF HAVING A TOWN HALL MEETING WITH THE AFFECTED RESIDENTS TO TALK ABOUT THESE VERY ISSUES. NOW, INSTEAD OF HAVING THAT HONEST CONVERSATION, THE CITY'S TRYING TO GO AROUND THESE SAME PEOPLE. THIS IS AN END AROUND, PURE AND SIMPLE. I'M A LOCAL REALTOR, I UNDERSTAND HOW ■GOOD NEIGHBORS ARE. THEY'RE IMPORTANT. A GOOD NEIGHBOR RESPECTS BOUNDARIES AND WORKS TOGETHER FOR THE COMMON GOOD. THIS MOVE BY THE CITY DOES THE OPPOSITE. THE CITY SHOULD BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THE LANDOWNERS AND FAMILIES WHO DEPEND ON THEIR WELLS, NOT TRY TO TAKE CONTROL OF THEM THROUGH A BACKDOOR MANEUVER. YOU, AS CITY MEMBERS, HAVE A CHOICE. YOU CAN STAND WITH FAIRNESS, TRANSPARENCY AND TRUE LOCAL STEWARDSHIP, OR YOU CAN SIDE WITH BUREAUCRACY AND OVERREACH. I'M ASKING YOU AS A MOTHER AND AS A LOCAL REALTOR, A TAXPAYER AND AS SOMEONE WHO BELONGS IN DOING WHAT'S RIGHT -- BELIEVES IN DOING WHAT'S RIGHT, VOTE AGAINST THIS RESOLUTION. SHOW THAT OUR CITY CAN STILL BE TRUSTED TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK Y YOU. >> I'M OUT OF TOWN. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS TREY KRANFORD AND I LIVE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. SINCE I ONLY HAVE ONE MINUTE TO SPEAK I HAVE PRINTED MATERIAL THAT'S BEING PASTED OUT THAT PROVIDES MORE DETAIL. I'VE TRIED TO SUMMARIZE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE. PLEASE READ THE PACKET BEFORE MAKING YOUR VOTE AS THERE'S IMPORTANT INFORMATION INCLUDED IN IT THAT WILL HELP WITH YOUR DECISION. MY DETAILED WRITTEN STATEMENT IS KIND OF A REBUTTAL TO MY FRIEND'S ESTEBAN'S PRESENTATION SO THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE THAT'S GOOD FOR YOU. THE CORPUS CHRISTI AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY DISTRICT CLAIMS TO FOCUS ON GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION. BUT IF THAT WERE ITS TRUE MISSION, IT WOULD BE CALLED THE CORPUS CHRISTI CONSERVATION AND STORAGE AND RECOVERY DISTRICT. CONSERVATION HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN AFTERTHOUGHT FOR THIS GROUP. IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, WHAT CONSERVATION EFFORTS HAS THE ASR MADE BEYOND ITS OWN PROJECT? UNTIL LAST WEEK, IT'S OFFICIAL MAP DIDN'T EVEN INCLUDE CALALLEN, NOR DOES IT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OUTSIDE ITS BOUNDARIES. YET NOW IT'S CLAIMING TO SERVE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES ONLY TO MAKE THE COUNTY ROAD 73 WELLS LOOK CONTINUE TIG WOWS FOR CONSIDERATION AND THEY'RE NOT. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU. >> I'M SHANNON SCAR BOW, I LIVE IN RURAL NUECES COUNTY, I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ASR NOW WANTS TO BE REGULATED, WHEN IT -- THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY Y'ALL DECIDED TO DRILL IN WESTERN AND EASTERN NUECES -- THE WELLS IN EASTERN NUECES COUNTY. THIS IS A QUOTE STRAIGHT FROM THE GROUNDWATER WATER MANAGEMENT PLANT FROM THE CCARD, IT SAYS THE DISTRICT SHALL TAKE NO ACTION WITHOUT FULL CONSIDERATION OF THE GROUNDWATER NEEDS OF THE DISTRICT, END QUOTE. WHAT ABOUT THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE NEAR THE EASTERN AND WESTERN WELLS? IF THE COUNCIL VOTES TO ANNEX THESE PROPERTIES AS PROPOSED ON PAGE 22, THEN THEY WILL -- CORPUS CHRISTI WILL BASICALLY BE REGULATING ITSELF WITHOUT ANY REGARD FOR THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS TO THESE WELLS. YOUR ACTIONS AS A COUNCIL DIRECTLY AFFECT RURAL NUECES COUNTY. PLEASE VOTE NO FOR AGENDA ITEM 22. THIS GROUNDWATER MANAGEMENT PLAN WAS CREATED ON OCTOBER 6TH, DISCUSSED ON OCTOBER 17TH, A MEETING THAT I WENT TO. IT WAS LAST UPDATED 2019. IT'S A FIVE-YEAR PLAN. THEY'RE ONE YEAR LATE. I DON'T REALLY TRUST THEM REGULATING MY GROUNDWATER. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> HI, COUNCIL, NAME'S SCOTT BROS WELL, NUECES COUNTY. THE ASRD WAS DEVELOPED TO CREATE AN AQUIFER IN PROXIMITY TO THE AIRPORT. FROM THE START, THE DISTRICT'S BOUNDARIES WERE CHOSEN PRECISELY BECAUSE NO NATURAL AQUIFER EXISTED THERE. I'LL REPEAT THAT. NO NATURAL AQUIFER EXISTED THERE. THE PLAN WAS TO CREATE ONE THROUGH AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY, NOT TO PUMP EXISTING GROUNDWATER. BUT AFTER NEARLY 20 YEARS THERE'S BEEN NO AQUIFER, NO RECHARGE, AND NO STORAGE, NOTHING TO SHOW FOR ITS PURPOSE. NOW THE CITY WANTS TO USE THAT SAME DISTRICT TO ANNEX NEWELL FIELDS ALONG THE RIVER FOR OUTSIDE THE ASRD'S OFFICIAL SCOPE. THEY'VE SHIFTED TO TRY TO CREATE AN AQUIFER WHERE NONE EXIST TO OVERPUM ALONG THE RIVER TO FIVE TIMES THE MAG. THAT'S NOT CONSERVATION. THAT'S MISSION DRIFT. THEY SHOULD HAVE STARTED THOSE STUDIES BACK IN 2009 IN THE LAST DROUGHT AND NOT WAITED UNTIL '25 TO CLAIM OTHERWISE. WE DESERVE BETTER THAN REACTIONARY WATER POLICY. I URGE Y'ALL TO VOTE AGAINST THIS RESOLUTION. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, SIR. >> HI. MY NAME'S LUCAS [INDISCERNIBLE] FROM NUECES COUNTY. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE DISTRICT'S MISSION IS CLEAR, ONE, CONSERVE AND RECHARGE. TWO, PREVENT WASTE. THREE, CONTROL SUBSIDENCE, FOUR, DEVELOP STORAGE AREAS FOR THE CITY, YET THE CITY NOW SEEKS TO OVERPUMP THE AQUIFER THROUGH THAT VERY DISTRICT WITH CITY EMPLOYEES RUNNING THE ASRD. IT BECOMES SELF-REGULATION, NOT OVERSIGHT. Y'ALL TALK ABOUT WANTING TO BE -- WANTING TO ENGAGE AND TALK WITH NEIGHBORS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WANTING TO ANNEX THIS LAND BEFORE EVER MENTIONING IT TO THE PUBLIC. YOU, IN ESSENCE, WOULD BE PUMPING FIVE TIMES THE MAG. IT VIOLATES THE FIRST TWO DUTIES, CONSERVATION AND PREVENTION OF WASTE. THE ASRD CAN'T FULFILL ITS MISSION BY IGNORING ITS OWN LIMITS. I ASK YOU, PLEASE REJECT THIS PETITION AND PROTECT THE AQUIFER FOR EVERYONE. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, SIR. >> MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS, I'M ROBERT PASCAL, I LIVE OUTSIDE OF CORPUS, NORTHWEST NUECES COUNTY. DESPERATE MEASURES CALL FOR DESPERATE TIMES IS WHAT THIS SEEMS TO ME. I HEARD SOME COMMENTS ABOUT NEEDING TO COMPLETE THIS ANNEXATION TO PLE SERVE RESOURCES -- PRESERVE RESOURCES. THE WAY I SEE IT IT'S ABOUT PUMPING AS MUCH WATER AS YOU CAN AHEAD OF THE FORMATION OF THE NUECES CONSERVATION WATER EXIST TANS, THIS ISN'T ABOUT TRYING TO LIMIT THE MAG, BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE ALREADY EXCEEDING IT. THIS IS ABOUT MOVING FORWARD, TRAPPING IN SOME LAND THAT THE CITY HAS PURCHASED AND USING THAT TO JUST FILL THAT NUECES RIVER WITH AS MUCH SALINE WATER AS YOU CAN. AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ANY STUDIES OF WHAT THE IMPACT OF ALL THAT BRACKISH WATER GOING INTO THE RIVER IS, BUT I KNOW IT CAN'T BE GOOD. THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERNS, AND I THINK COUNCIL MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS OF JUST GRABBING THE SWORD, I SEE POTENTIAL LITIGATION ON THE HORIZON FOR THE CITY IF IT DOES THAT. I THINK THE PARTIES AND INTERESTED LANDOWNERS MAY BE SEEKING INJUNCTIVE RELIEF. I'D JUST CAUTION EVERYBODY, TAP THE BRAKE AND LET'S DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY, DOT ALL THE I'S, CROSS THE T'S, DO THE STUDIES AND DO THIS RIGHT FOR ALL CITIZENS OF NUECES COUNTY. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, SIR. >> RACHEL CABALLERO, D1, I JUST WANT TO IMPLORE THAT COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS HAS BEEN ASKING THIS COUNCIL FOR YEARS TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THE WATER DECISIONS OF THIS GOVERNING BODY THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY. I HAVE BEEN COMING TO THESE MEETINGS FOR ALMOST FOUR YEARS, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THIS GROUP, EVER HEARD OF THIS GROUP. I'VE ALSO BEEN TO SEVERAL COASTAL BEND PLANNING ASSOCIATION, NUECES RIVER AUTHORITY GROUPS, AND I HAVE HAD TO CORRECT CITY STAFFER ESTEBAN RAMOS FOR MISLEADING THOSE BOARDS AND SAYING INFORMATION THAT WAS NOT TRUE. I DO NOT TRUST THIS BOARD, I AM HEAVILY, HEAVILY ADVISING THAT YOU GUYS DO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. THIS NEEDS TO BE IN THE HANDS OF THE COMMUNITY, AND I -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO REITERATE ENOUGH THERE'S -- WE DON'T TRUST THE DECISION-MAKING THAT'S BEING HAPPENING, AND WE WANT TO PUT EITHER YOU GUYS CAN'T HANDLE THE VOLUME OF WHAT OUR CITY IS NEEDING, AND SO YOU NEED TO OUTSOURCE SOME OF THAT TO OTHER GROUPS AND ADVOCATES THAT ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR WATER, AND SO I -- I STAND FIRM IN THAT WE NEED TO GIVE PEOPLE THREE MINUTES AND YOU GUYS SHOULD NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS JIM KLEIN, I LIVE IN DISTRICT 2 HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI. I HAVE SOME REAL QUESTIONS OF RHETORICAL QUESTIONS. I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS BOARD IS A FUNCTIONING BOARD. ACCORDING TO THE GRANICUS PAGE, BOARD MEMBER EDMONDS IS IN HIS FIRST TERM, HAS BEEN ON THE BOARD SINCE 2019, SET TO EXPIRE NOW IN 2025 WHILE BOARD MEMBER WINKELMANN IS IN HIS FIRST TERM, STARTED IN 2023 AND IS SCHEDULED TO END IN 2027. 2025 BILL MAHAFFY STARTED HIS TERM IN 2025, SCHEDULED TO END IN 2027. BOARD MEMBER McGINN IN HIS THIRD TERM, WAS STARTED IN 2015, SCHEDULED TO END IN 2017. SCA BAR CHICK IN A PARTIAL TRERM -- I'M NOT SURE THIS BOARD IS ACTUALLY MEETING. I WOULD NEED A LOT MORE ANSWERS ABOUT THAT. I APPLAUD ESTEBAN RAMOS FOR TRYING TO CREATE MORE TRANSPARENCY ABOUT THIS. ACCORDING TO THE GRANICUS PAGE, THERE HAVE NOT BEEN BOARD MEMBERS POSTED SINCE 2019. IF THIS IS AN EFFORT TO KIND OF CREATE SOME REGULATION OVER THE USE OF THAT WATER, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, IF THAT'S AN HONEST FAITH EFFORT. I'M JUST NOT CONVINCED OF THAT AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. KLEIN. ANYONE ELSE? WE WILL CLOSE -- OH, I'M SORRY. SURE. >> EVERYBODY'S GOT ALL THOSE PAPERS. I'VE GOT PINK INK ON A PAPER SLIP. WE'RE LOCKED INTO ANALYSIS, PARALYSIS. THIS IS A SITUATION. >> City Secretary: CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY, PLEASE. >> OH, I THOUGHT Y'ALL KNEW WHO I WAS. ROBIN SANDERS, CORPUS CHRISTI, DISTRICT ONE. ANALYSIS PARALYSIS HAPPENS IN PEOPLE'S MINDS WHEN YOU ARE OVERWHELMED WITH DETAILS. WE COULD DO THIS, WE COULD DO THIS OR MAYBE THIS OR MAYBE THAT, UNTIL YOU UTTERLY CAN'T MAKE A DECISION. NOW, I WANT TO ERASE ALL OF THAT AND THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. I'M SPEAKING TO YOU AS A LANDMAN, PETROLEUM LANDMAN AND AS A SIMPLE THINKER. WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS NOT A POLITICAL PROBLEM. AND THE MORE POLITICAL IT GETS, THE WORSE IT GETS. THIS IS A SUPPLY AND DEMAND ISSUE. RIGHT NOW OUR INDUSTRIAL COMMUNITIES TAKING ABOUT 48% OF THE WATER. SHORTLY, THAT'S GOING TO BE 54% OF THE WATER. THEN IT'S GOING TO BE 79% OF THE WATER. IS THAT AQUIFER GOING TO GET BIGGER? NO. WHAT I WANT TO SUGGEST, AND MR. ZANONI AND THE LAWYER ARE REALLY THE PEOPLE TO ADVISE ME ON THIS, IS THAT WE GO TO OUR INDUSTRIAL USERS WHO HAVE THE TOOLS TO BRING WATER IN. SHIP JUST CAME IN DOCKED AT INGLESIDE, SUPER TANKER, HOLDS 83 MILLION-GALLONS OF LIQUID. 83MILLION-GALLONS. I THINK THAT CITGO, WHO HAS THE REFINERIES, TANKERS, RAILROAD, WATER TRUCKS, THEY CAN GET WATER RIGHT OUT TO THE MIDDLE OF THE DESERT, THAT WE GO TO THEM AND -- I THINK I'M GOING TO BE THE ONE TO DO IT. I'D LIKE HELP FROM OUR LEGAL PEOPLE -- AND ASK THEM TO SUPPLY THEIR OWN WATER. IF OUR INDUSTRIAL PEOPLE SUPPLIED THEIR OWN WATER, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A WATER PROBLEM. AM I RIGHT? YEAH, I AM RIGHT. WE WOULDN'T HAVE A WATER PROBLEM. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DIG UP THE AQUIFER, WHICH WILL RUN OUT OF WATER. DOES THAT MAKE COMMON SENSE? BECAUSE YOU'RE LISTENING TO A LOT OF DETAILS. CITGO REFINERY, CITGO IS IN SAN ANTONIO, THE DUDE'S NAME IS MR. RIGGS, HE'S THE CEO. HE'S THE PRESIDENT AND HE'S THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, AND YOU ARE THE GUY THAT NEEDS TO TALK TO HIM. GOING TO HAVE JUST 30 MORE SECONDS TO ASK A QUESTION. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. >> DO WE HAVE A CONTRACT. MRS. SAND ERS, WE CAN'T ASK QUESTIONS, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. >> WELL YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE ME AN ANSWER. BEFORE I GO, I'M GOING TO COME SEE THIS GENTLEMAN. DO WE HAVE CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS -- >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MRS. SANDERS. >> BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE HERE. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MRS. SANDERS. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 22. AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A -- OH, WHO DO WE HAVE. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. DO WE -- IF WE WERE TO GO THROUGH PROCESS TO ADD -- TO CHANGE THE COMPOSITION OF THE BOARD, DO YOU KNOW ROUGHLY WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE TIME-WISE? >> Ramos: I WOULDN'T WANT TO GUESS RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN BRING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR ADDING -- I THINK THE QUESTION WAS TO ADD MORE MEMBERS WHO WMEMBERS. WE'LL WORK WITH LEGAL STAFF TO DETERMINE THE PROPER PROCEDURE, I DON'T WANT TO LEAD YOU DOWN THE IMPROPER PROCEDURE PATH AT THIS TIME, BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT AND IF THERE'S AN ABILITY TO CHANGE, WE WILL. >> Paxson: OKAY. SO THEN I KNOW WE HAVE MOATIONZ AND A SECOND -- A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR, BUT MR. ZANONI, IF WE COULD, I THINK THIS IS TWO READINGS. >> Zanoni: THIS IS ONE-READING, IT'S A RESOLUTION. SO IT WOULD JUST BE A ONE READING. >> Paxson: IT'S A ONE-READING. WHAT I I'D LIKE TO REALLY KNOW IS , 1, WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE TIME-WISE. TWO, TO SEE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION UPLOADED, THE CORRECT TERM DATES, THE MINUTES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, PRESENT OURSELVES PROPERLY, AND THEN THREE, THE THIRD CONDITION, I'D REALLY LIKE STAFF TO ENGAGE WITH THE GROUP THAT'S TRYING TO MAKE THE NUECES GROUNDWATER DISTRICT AND HAVE INFORMATION POSTMEETING, SO -- TABLING -- IF THIS IS A ONE-READING. >> Zanoni: YEAH, IT'S A ONE-READING. >> Paxson: -- HOW MUCH TIME WOULD YOU NEED IF WE WERE TO TABLE THAT. NOVEMBER 18? >> Zanoni: WE CAN TRY TO GET IT DONE BY THE 11TH. >> Paxson: COULD YOU DO ALL THREE OF THOSE BY THE 11TH? >> WE'LL WORK TOWARDS IT. >> Zanoni: YEAH, WE'LL WORK TOWARDS IT. IF NOT, WE'LL ADVISE YOU. IT MAY BE THE 18TH. IT DEPENDS HOW SOON I CAN GET THE MEETING. >> Risley: I THINK I HAVE THE ANSWER TO ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS HERE. >> Mayor Guajardo: WHAT'S THAT? >> Risley: I THINK I HAVE THE ANSWER TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS. YOU ASKED ABOUT HOW THE NUMBER OF DIRECTORS HAS CHANGED. THERE IS A WAY, TEXAS WATER CODE 36.051 SAYS THE NUMBER OF DIRECTORS MAY BE CHANGED AS DETERMINED BY THE BOARD WHEN TERRITORY IS ANNEXED BY THE DISTRICT. THIS DISTRICT HAS NEVER ANNEXED TERRITORY, SO THE BOARD HAS NEVER HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF EXPLORE THAT PROVISION. >> Paxson: SO THEY COULD DO IT IN A LOCAL ACTION? >> Risley: THE BOARD DARREN IT SAYS THE NUMBER OF DIRECTORS MAY BE CHANGED AS DETERMINED BY THE BOARD WHEN TERRITORY IS ANNEXED BY THE DISTRICT. >> Paxson: OKAY. SO THAT WOULD, THEN, POSSIBLY -- IF WE CONFIRM THAT, THEN THAT WOULD -- THAT WOULD REST ASSURED ONE OF THOSE THREE PROVISIONS. BUT THEN TO DO THE OTHERS IS TO UPDATE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION ONLINE AND MEET WITH THE OTHER DISTRICT THAT'S FORMING, DO YOU THINK NOW THOSE TWO, 2.5 PROVISIONS COULD BE DONE BY THE 11TH? >> Zanoni: WE'LL SHOOT FOR THE 11TH, AND IF THE MEETING IS MORE COMPLICATED TO ORGANIZE, THEN WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IN NOVEMBER. >> Paxson: SO THERE'S A MEXICO AND A SECOND, BUT WE COULD TABLE IT TO THE 11TH. >> Zanoni: I WOULD TABLE IT TO ONE OF THE TWO MEETINGS IN NOVEMBER. >> Paxson: WHICH DO YOU PREFER? WHAT WOULD WORK BETTER. >> Zanoni: WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO GET THAT MEETING ORGANIZED. >> Mayor Guajardo: YOU COULD JUST SAY ONE OF THE TWO. >> Paxson: WOULD THE 11TH WORK, AND THEN IF -- I DON'T WANT TO GET US CAUGHT UP IN WORDING. >> Ramos: GETTING THE INFORMATION TO THE WEBSITE, DOING THAT. >> Zanoni: THAT'S EASY. >> Mayor Guajardo: SO -- >> Zanoni: WHY DON'T WE SAY THE LATTER MEETING, WHAT IS THAT SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER. >> Paxson: THE 18TH. >> Zanoni: I WOULD SAY TO THE 18TH, HOWEVER IF WE CAN GET IT DONE BY THE 11TH, THEN THE 11TH. >> Paxson: SO WE CAN TABLE IT WITH TWO PROVISIONS, MOTION TO TABLE IT TO THE 18TH OR THE 11TH IF IT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED SOONER. >> Risley: I WOULD LIKE TO CAUTION CITY COUNCIL, THERE IS A POTENTIAL DANGER, ONE QUESTION THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD ANSWERED HERE, IS AT WHAT POINT WE LOSE THE ABILITY TO ANNEX THIS PROPERTY. IT MAY BE COMING WITHIN A MATTER OF DAYS OR A MATTER OF WEEK TION. S. YOU MIGHT LOSE THE ABILITY TO ANNEX THE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE TIME IN WHICH -- NOBODY KNOWS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A CASE ON IT, WHETHER THAT OCCURS AT THE TIME OF THE ELECTION FOR CERTIFYING THE DISTRICT OR THE TCEQ CERTIFICATION OF THE DISTRICT, PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, BUT -- SO YOU MAY -- YOU MAY LOSE THAT ABILITY TO ANNEX, AND IT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED BY A CASE. >> Paxson: BETWEEN NOW AND THE 11TH? >> Risley: YES. >> Ramos: IT COULD. IT COULD HAPPEN. RIGHT NOW THE PETITION IS WITHIN THE TCEQ. THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. WHAT COULD HAPPEN IS THE DISTRICT ALREADY STARTS BEING CREATED AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS LOST CONTROL OF DETERMINING WHETHER THEY WANT TO INCLUDE THIS PROPERTY INSIDE THE ASRCD OR NOT, SO YOU DO RISK THAT POTENTIAL. >> Paxson: SO MR. ZANONI, COULD WE PASS IT THEN WITH THOSE PROVISIONS TO BE REPORTED BACK ON THOSE DAYS? >> Zanoni: YEAH, YEAH. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A SAFER RECOMMENDATION. >> Paxson: WE COULD DO THAT? >> Zanoni: YEAH. YES. . >> Paxson: SO IF THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR, COULD WE ADD TO FULFILL THOSE PROVISIONS AND COME BACK ON THE 11TH OR SO. >> Zanoni: FOR REPORTING BACK ON THE 11TH. YEAH, YOU COULD REPORT ME TO FOLLOW-UP ON THOSE AND REPORT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL. >> Paxson: OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW WHO MADE THE MOTION. >> Vaughn: I DID. >> Mayor Guajardo: CAROLYN DID. >> Paxson: SO I'LL YIELD MY MIC TO HER. >> Mayor Guajardo: HOLD ON. GO AHEAD. >> Vaughn: OUR DUTY IS TO PROTECT OUR RATEPAYERS AND OUR AQUIFER. I GET IT. WE OWN PROPERTY OUT THERE, MY GRANDSON LIVES OUT THERE, BUT WE'RE UP HERE TO PROTECT OUR RATEPAYERS AND OUR TAXPAYERS. NOW, THEY DON'T TRUST US, WE DON'T TRUST THEM. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE'S NO COMMUNICATION. SO WE DO NEED TO HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH THEM. SO I WAS LIEG HER, I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO GO HAVE A MEETING WITH THE ONES THAT PROPOSED THIS. ACTUALLY, I LOVE THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING A CONSERVATION DISTRICT. I EVEN MENTIONED IT TO JUDGE CONNIE SCOTT BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE NEEDED ONE, BUT IN THAT, THERE ARE ALL THE DETAILS. AND LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL ARE GOING TO DO, Y'ALL THINK WE'RE GOING TO PUMP TOO MUCH WATER. I DON'T BELIEVE WE ARE. WE'VE HAD THAT ASSURANCE TODAY, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. AND HAVING STEVE YOUNG HERE TODAY HELPED ME, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN SO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT FOR THAT AREA. SO I SAY WE PASS IT AND THEN IF WE WANT TO COME BACK AND CHANGE -- I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOUR PROVISIONS ARE, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE DOING THAT, BUT I JUST THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. I'M JUST GOING TO REITERATE IT. OUR DUTY IS TO PROTECT OUR RATEPAYERS AND THE AQUIFER. >> Paxson: I JUST WANT DERRED IF THEY COULD REPORT ONCE THAT MEET ON THAT MEETING AND IF WE COULD GET ALL THAT INFORMATION ON THE WEBSITE. >> Mayor Guajardo: CAN YOU REECHT WHAT IT WAS THAT -- >> Zanoni: YES, IF COUNCIL APPROVES THIS TODAY, THE ANNEXATION OF THIS PROPERTY INTO THE CURRENT DISTRICT, BETWEEN NOW AND THE 11TH, IF WE CAN, AND IF NOT, BY THE -- WHAT WOULD THAT NEXT MEETING BE AGAIN, THE 18TH, WE WILL MEET WITH THE MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE TODAY THAT ARE FORMING THE GROUNDWATER CONSERVATION DISTRICT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER'S GOALS. >> Vaughn: YEAH. >> Zanoni: WE'LL TALK TO THEM ABOUT WHAT STEVE YOUNG TALKED TO THIS COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY ABOUT TODAY, HOW WE'RE PROTECTING THEIR WELLS, OURS ARE MUCH DEEPER. WE'LL GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT THE CASING THAT WE HAVE. AND JUST HAVE A DIALOGUE. WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN WITH THEM YET. >> Mayor Guajardo: PETER, WOULDN'T WE -- WE WOULD DO THAT ANYWAY. I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Mayor Guajardo: PROBABLY THE MOST POPULAR THING TO SAY HERE, BUT WE DO HAVE -- THAT'S A VERY BIG CONCERN IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE DEADLINE, WHENEVER THAT IS. BUT EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID IS WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT AND WANT YOU TO DO. I THINK THIS IS -- YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BOARD THAT'S BEEN SITTING OUT THERE SINCE 2005 THAT NO ONE'S PAID ATTENTION TO UNTIL IT'S BECOME RELEVANT. AND -- AND THAT SAME KIND OF THING HAPPENED HERE NOT LONG AGO WITH ANOTHER BOARD. AND SO WE UNDERSTAND. MY POINT TO THAT IS, WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS. AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF RESONATED ALL OF A SUDDEN, AND IT WASN'T THAT, I THINK, ANYBODY PURPOSEFULLY DIDN'T REACH OUT TO EVERYONE, IT'S EVERYONE'S RUNNING AS FAST AS THEY CAN, RIGHT, TO FIND WATER. AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE BIG CITY TO HURT OUR NEIGHBORS. YOU KNOW, TO THE CONTRARY, WE WANT TO HELP OUR NEIGHBORS. BUT I THINK EVERYTHING THAT WAS SUGGESTED WOULD BE EXPECTED AND CAN HAPPEN ANYWAY. I MEAN, MOVING THIS FORWARD TODAY. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. WE'RE JUST SETTING DEADLINES FOR OURSELVES. YOU KNOW -- >> Mayor Guajardo: NO, NO, I KNOW. BUT TO COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN'S POINT, IN OTHER WORDS, MOVE FORWARD BUT CONTINUE TO DO THOSE THINGS. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. >> Mayor Guajardo: I THINK WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING. >> Zanoni: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST HAVING DEADLINES IMPOSED ON US FOR WHEN WE'LL MEET WITH THE GROUP. >> Vaughn: AND TO YOUR POINT, YOU CAN'T BLAME THEM FOR NOT TRUSTING MAIRNLZ NO. >> Vaughn: I UNDERSTAND THAT TOTALLY. I THINK WE CAN JUST LEAVE THE MOTION AS IT IS. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Vaughn: AND THEN IF YOU CAN BRING IT BACK AFTER YOU'VE HAD YOUR CONVERSATION. >> Zanoni: WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL HOW OUR MEETING OR MEETINGS WENT. >> Mayor Guajardo: I AGREE. >> Vaughn: YES. AND THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. THANK YOU, PETER. COUNCILMAN CANTU? >> Cantu: QUICK QUESTION. THERE'S A COUPLE BOARD MEMBERS, THEIR TERM IS ABOUT TO EXPIRE. HOW MANY ARE THEY. >> TWO. >> TWO. >> AND WE CAN GET AN OUTSIDER, RIGHT? WE DON'T HAVE TO GET CITY EMPLOYEES ON THAT BOARD? >> Ramos: TO MY KNOWLEDGE, YES. >> Cantu: I DON'T THINK WE CAN R COULD ADD ANY -- >> OUTSIDE. >> Cantu: THE PUBLIC. >> Ramos: OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES? >> Cantu: YES. >> Ramos: I WILL HAVE TO. >> Zanoni: WE NEED TO FOLLOW-UP ON THAT ONE. [SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKING]. >> Ramos: I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE THROWING THAT AROUND. OUTSIDE CITY STAFF, YES. >> Cantu: OKAY. WHAT I READ UP, I DON'T THINK WE COULD ADD ANY MORE THAN FIVE, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO TABLE IT. WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE IT. IT'S ONLY ONE READING. >> Zanoni: CORRECT. WE IT'S A RESOLUTION. >> Cantu: DO WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING NEXT WEEK? >> Zanoni: THE 11TH, NO. >> Cantu: TCEQ TAKES FOREVER ON EVERYTHING. I MEAN -- OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN APPOINT SOMEONE ELSE BUT CITY STAFF. I JUST WANT TO HEAR THAT, MAKE THAT PROMISE. I DON'T WANT ALL CITY STAFFERS ON THERE. >> Zanoni: YEAH. WE'VE HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR. AND ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SAID IT RIGHT. >> Cantu: AROUND WE APPOINT THEM OR YOU GUYS APPOINT THEM ON THE BOARD. >> Ramos: IT'S LIKE ANY BOARD, YOU RECOMMEND AND YOU WOULD APPROVE -- WE WOULD HAVE CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, OF WHO COULD BE -- WHO YOU WISH TO BE A PART OF IT. I MEAN, THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED. >> Cantu: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. COUNCILMA N HERNANDEZ? >> Hernandez: OKAY. THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE QUESTIONS I HAD TO STEVE YOUNG RIGHT? AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY REAL NUMBER OR WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE OR REGULATIONS INTO THIS, BECAUSE, I MEAN, THERE'S SORTS OF REQUIREMENTS HERE, RIGHT? THE DESIRED FUTURE CONDITIONS, THE ACTUAL MODELED AVAILABLE GROUNDWATER, WHICH WAS NOT WHAT I -- HIS ANSWER WAS NOT WHAT I EXPECTED. YOU KNOW, I WAS EXPECTING THAT THERE WAS SOME MODEL DONE BY SOME HYDROLOGIST THAT SAID THIS IS AVAILABLE GROUNDWATER, BUT THAT WASN'T THE CASE. >> Zanoni: UH-HUH. >> Hernandez: SO IN LOOKING AT WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE MODELED AVAILABLE GROUNDWATER PER THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT'S WEBSITE, AND IT HAS TWO SECTIONS HERE, BUT ROUGHLY, 6,007 -- CLOSE TO 800-ACRE FEET OF WATER PER YEAR. OKAY. WE'RE TAKING MORE THAN THAT, RIGHT? IS THAT THE CASE? >> Ramos: YES. THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI HAS WELLS YOU'VE HEARD EASTERN AND WESTERN TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 28 MGD. SO AS STEVE YOUNG DESCRIBED THE PROCESS OF REDOING THE MAGS, THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI'S ALREADY STARTED THAT PROCESS TO DISCUSS WITH THE GMA AND PROVIDING THE GMA WITH THE PROPER INFORMATION FOR THAT REQUEST. YOU REMEMBER HOW STEVE YOUNG ALSO SAID IT WAS ABOUT KNOWLEDGE AND WHAT YOU WERE REQUESTING AND WE'RE IN THAT PROCESS, BECAUSE ALL THIS STUFF HAS HAPPENED RECENTLIMENLY. WE'RE TALKING WITH THE GMA16 SO WE CAN UPDATE THOSE, THE MAG, THEN THAT WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. >> Hernandez: OKAY. HAS IT BEEN APPROVED? >> Ramos: NO. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW. >> Hernandez: OKAY. BUT IT'S IN AN AREA THAT'S NOT REGULATED. SO IF WE GET THIS IN THE ASR, WHAT REGULATIONS ARE IN PLACE? >> Ramos: THE RULES AND REGULATIONS WITHIN THE -- WITHIN THE DISTRICT. >> Hernandez: WHICH ARE WHAT? >> Ramos: WHICH ARE SPACING, SIZING, PURPOSE OF USE. OUTSIDE OF A DISTRICT, THERE IS NO -- LIKE STEVE YOUNG SAID, IT'S UP TO THE LAW OF THE -- >> Hernandez: THE REASON I SAY THIS IS BECAUSE I WAS ON AN HOA THAT WE DRILLED THE WELL IN ORDER TO FILL UP ONE OF THE -- YOU KNOW, NICE LAKES THERE TO HAVE, AND THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH TO GET A PERMIT FOR THAT WITHIN THE ASR DISTRICT, RIGHT? OKAY. I KNOW THAT'S ALL IN PLACE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE REGULATIONS ARE. WHAT ARE THE LIMITATIONS? ARE WE GOING -- BY DOING THIS, ARE WE GOING TO LIMIT OURSELVES? I MEAN, WHAT'S HAPPENING? >> Ramos: AGAIN, THAT IS THE CONVERSATION WITH HOW THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, WITH ITS NEW TWO WELLS WOULD THEN PETITION IN THE -- ASK FOR A VARIANCE FROM THE -- >> Hernandez: SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FROM A VARIANCE FROM OURSELVES. >> Ramos: WELL, YOU, THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, IS ASKING THE DISTRICT. YES, WE KIND OF SAY THEY'RE THE SAME ENTITY, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE SAME ENTITY. THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS. >> Hernandez: OKAY. AND, YOU KNOW, TO THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, THE LAST MINUTES THAT WERE POSTED WERE FROM 2019, SO I MEAN, I DON'T -- OKAY. THERE'S A LOT OF HOMEWORK THAT I NEED TO DO WITH THIS, THE ASR DISTRICT, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT ON OUR PLATE AS COUNCILMEMBERS, AND I GET IT. I WISH I WAS MORE PREPARED FOR IT. BUT I'M JUST -- YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT -- OUR MAG -- YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND FIGURE THIS OUT ON OUR OWN WITH -- YOU KNOW, AND REGULATE OURSELVES? I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A SEPARATE BOARD, BUT IT'S US. IS THAT -- I MEAN, IS THAT THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT? >> Ramos: NO. I -- WE'RE TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES. THERE'S THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, THERE'S THE CSASRCD, YES, IT IS MADE UP OF BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE ALSO EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY, BUT THERE ARE RULES AND REGULATIONS THROUGH THE TEXAS WATER CODE THAT THE BOARD -- THE ASR DISTRICT FOLLOWS. IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, THE CITY HAS WELLS THAT EXIST OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT. THE CITY WISHES TO PETITION THE DISTRICT TO INCLUDE THOSE LANDS INSIDE THE DISTRICT, WITH THAT WHEN THEY COME TO THE BOARD, THEY WOULD ALSO SUBMIT A PETITION -- OR EXCUSE ME, AN APPLICATION FOR A VARIANCE FOR THOSE WELLS. SIMULTANEOUSLY, WE HAVE -- THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI IS ALREADY IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE GMA TO UPDATE THE MAG. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH HDR AND ALSO STEVE YOUNG ON THAT. SO THERE'S MULTIPLE THINGS HAPPENING, SO WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE. >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS ASKING THAT QUESTION TO STEVE YOUNG, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T REALLY GET AN ANSWER AS TO, OKAY, WHAT ARE OUR LIMITATIONS IN -- ON THESE WELLS CONSIDERING THE MAG IS ONLY 6800-ACRE FEET PER YEAR. >> Ramos: SO RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE ISN'T A DISTRICT -- IF THERE WASN'T A PETITION OUT THERE TO CREATE A NEW DISTRICT, AND THE CITY DIDN'T -- IT WOULD JUST BE UP TO -- THERE IS NO RULES. >> Hernandez: WELL, BUT -- >> Ramos: -- LIKE STEVE SAID. >> Hernandez: IF YOU ANNEX IT, YOU CREATE THE RULES THAT ARE ALREADY IN EXISTENCE OF OUR ASR. >> Ramos: THAT IS RIGHT. >> Hernandez: DOES THAT ALLOW US TO EXCEED THE MAG? >> Ramos: AGAIN. THAT WOULD GO BACK TO THE CITY WOULD ASK FOR A VARIANCE IN THEIR APPLICATION TO THE ASR DISTRICT. AT THE SAME TIME ALSO WE. >> Hernandez: YEAH, I GET IT. I UNDERSTAND. >> Ramos: ALSO AT THE SAME TIME, THE CITY HAS APPLIED AND DISCUSSING TO UPDATE THE MAG WITH THE GMA. >> Hernandez: OKAY. I GET IT. I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS, AND THEN WE ARE WAY BEHIND. IT'S 6:06, WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. >> Campos: OKAY. THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. I DON'T GET IT. I DON'T GET IT. BUT JUST LIKE OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY, USUALLY, TYPICALLY, BRIEF US. THERE WAS NO BRIEFING. NOT EVEN ONE. NOT EVEN A CALL, NOTHING. I MEAN, WE WERE JUST -- THIS WAS POSTED AND THAT WAS IT. I MEAN, THERE WAS A LOT -- OF COURSE, THERE'S ALWAYS A LOT ON OUR PLATE, BUT, AGAIN, THIS IS PRETTY IMPORTANT AND THAT'S WHY I -- I -- EVEN RIGHT BEFORE WE TOOK UP THIS AGENDA ITEM, I PLEADED WITH THE MAYOR AND SAID, LET'S ALLOW THE THREE MINUTES BECAUSE, AGAIN, I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, SAYING THIS, YOU KNOW, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE DAIS, WHEN WE'RE MAKING WATER DECISIONS FOR THE AREA AND IT IS AFFECTING THEM PERSONALLY, YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO ALLOW THE FULL THREE MINUTES. SO I KNOW THIS IS NOT DIRECTED TO YOU. AND I'M -- I'M STILL -- I'M PROBABLY GOING TO ABSTAIN BECAUSE I JUST -- I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION, SO... COUNCILMA N BARRERA? >> Barrera: THANK YOU, MAYOR. AM I ON? OKAY. WELL, FIRST OFF, THERE'S SEVERAL BOARDS OF WHICH WE POLICE OURSELVES. I MEAN, THERE'S THE HOUSING AND FINANCE CORPORATION, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM THAT WE DO. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND ONCE AGAIN, THE RELUCTANCE. AND I'M REALLY SORRY. I DO BELIEVE IN PROPERTY OWNERS' RIGHTS 100%. I REALLY DO. THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THAT WE PUT OURSELVES INTO A DESPERATE SITUATION. AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S PAST COUNCILS. I BELIEVE IT'S THIS COUNCIL. WE PUT OURSELVES INTO A DESPERATE SITUATION. AND IF WE DON'T DO THIS, THEN WE'RE GOING TO FALL INTO CURTAILMENT. THE ONLY THING THAT I ASK -- BECAUSE I'M DOING THIS RELUCTANTLY, I MEAN, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT, AND I DON'T WANT TO. YOU KNOW, AND I HATE TALKING ABOUT BOTH SIDES OF MY MOUTH, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW THAT IF WE DON'T DO THIS, THEN WE WILL GO INTO CURTAILMENT. AND THAT'S -- AND I SAY THAT WITH ALL SINCERITY -- WHAT IS IT -- BUT I THINK -- I THINK WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THE APPROACH AS TO WHERE, YOU KNOW -- WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH, THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM CALALLEN -- OR AT LEAST TWO VOTES FROM CALALLEN ON THIS ONE, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE MUCH CLOSER TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THAT AREA, SO THAT WAY -- WE NEED TO JUMP ON THAT RIGHT AWAY, VERY QUICKLY, SO THAT WAY THOSE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING REPRESENTED AND THOSE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK -- THE OTHER THING I WANT TO ASK IS THAT, I KNOW SCOTT BARASSA BECAUSE HE'S BEEN IN MY OFFICE, AND I KNOW HIS UNCLE REAL WELL, AND WHAT IS -- A GOOD GUY. GOOD GUY. I THINK HE HAS PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF CORPUS CHRISTI, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT, BECAUSE HE HAD -- HE OWNS PROPERTY, HIS FAMILY OWNS PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITEDS OF CORPUS CHRISTI RIGHT DOWN BY THE AIRPORT. SO -- WHAT IS IT -- I THINK IF WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT, THAT WAY THESE PEOPLE FEEL THAT THEY'RE BEING REPRESENTED. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILMA N ROY? >> Roy: YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF IN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE HERE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS: I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THIS EITHER. AND I'VE STATED THAT A COUPLE TIMES NOW. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS -- AND I'M WILLING TO DO, OR I WON'T VOTE FOR IT, IS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT -- I'M WILLING TO DO AN AMENDMENT OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY -- THAT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL NONCITY STAFF REPRESENTATION ON THIS BOARD. AND IF WE CAN'T DO THAT TONIGHT, THEN I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR IT. SO I'M ASKING THIS COUNCIL IF WE COULD AT LEAST ADD THAT, BECAUSE I THINK FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND IF NOT, I UNDERSTAND AND I WON'T BE -- I'LL BE VOTING NO. >> Mayor Guajardo: I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT -- I THINK THAT'S THE POINT. THAT IS THE POINT TO ADDING THE SEATS IS TO BRING IN COMMUNITY. >> Roy: WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT IN OUR -- >> Mayor Guajardo: WE CAN. I MEAN, I TH THEY WAS THE INTENT. >> Raymond: PLEASE. >> Mayor Guajardo: SO CAN WE -- DO WE NEED TO RESTATE IT? OKAY. >> City Secretary: YOU WANT TO AMEND IT. THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS JUST TO PASS IT AS IS, SO YOU WANT TO AMEND TO ADD A REQUIREMENT. >> Roy: NONCITY STAFF MEMBERS ON THE BOARD. >> City Secretary: OKAY. >> Mayor Guajardo: EXPAND THE BOARD TO INCLUDE. >> Roy: TO INCLUDE NONCITY STAFF MEMBERS. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. YOU'VE GOT IT. >> City Secretary: SO -- AND THEN I GUESS THE NUMBER IS -- WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT, RIGHT? >> Mayor Guajardo: YES, THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK. >> City Secretary: ARE WE EXPANDING IT OR -- [SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKING]. >> City Secretary: I DIDN'T THINK WE COULD EXPAND IT. THE NUMBER IS SET AT FIVE. >> Paxson: IF YOU GO TO ANNEX, YOU CAN. >> Risley: ACCORDING TO THE WATER CODE PROVISION, THE BOARD EXPANDS UNTIL IT ANNEXES. WE CAN'T DO THAT DIRECTLY, BUT YOU CAN DO A DIRECTIVE THAT THE NEXT APPOINTMENTS BE NONCITY STAFF. >> City Secretary: YEAH. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO EXPAND IT. THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD. SO WE WOULD JUST INCLUDE -- IN THE CURRENT MEMBERSHIP WE WOULD INCLUDE A NONCITY MEMBER -- A NONCITY STAFF MEMBER, THAT'S THE INTENT. >> Roy: SAY THAT AGAIN. >> City Secretary: WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE -- WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE A MEMBER ON THE BOARD WHO IS A NONCITY STAFF MEMBER, CORRECT? >> Roy: TWO. >> Zanoni: THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO VACANCIES, SO IT CAN BE ONE OR BOTH. WHATEVER THE COUNCIL LIKES. >> City Secretary: IS THAT OKAY. >> Roy: I'M GOOD WITH THAT. >> City Secretary: OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT? >> Barrera: SECOND. >> City Secretary: OKAY. >> City Secretary: IS EVERYONE CLEAR WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. >> Mayor Guajardo: YES. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCILMAN CANTU. >> City Secretary: YES, IT'S THE AMENDMENT. >> Cantu: QUICK QUESTION, I JUST WANT TO VERIFY, NICK, WE HAVE 28 MILLION-GALLONS OF WATER OFF THE NUECES COUNTY PER DAY, RIGHT? I MEAN, OUT OF CORPUS CHRISTI, RIGHT? >> Winkelmann: RIGHT. SO THE STEVE YOUNG, THE SUSTAINABLE PUMPING IS 11 MGD FROM THE EASTERN WELLFIELD, 17 -- >> Cantu: NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS. >> Winkelmann: THOSE TWO WELLFIELDS ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. >> Cantu: SO AT ANY GIVEN TIME NUECES GROUNDWATER COULD LIMIT US TO ONLY 3 MILLION-GALLONS A DAY. >> Winkelmann: THOSE ARE ASSETS WE NEED AND. [SIMULTANEOUS SPEAKING]. >> Cantu: THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. >> City Secretary: ON THAT ONE, ON THE AMENDMENT, CAN WE DO IT VERBAL, PLEASE. >> Mayor Guajardo: OH, YES. VERBAL, ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. (AYES.) >> Mayor Guajardo: ANY OPPOSED, SAY NO. THE MOTION CARRIES. >> City Secretary: AND THEN WE CAN PASS IT AS AMENDED. >> Mayor Guajardo: AS AMENDED. >> Barrera: I MOVE PO FOR APPROVAL AS AMENDED. >> City Secretary: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. SO WE WERE GOING TO BREAK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND LET'S SEE. WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT MATTERS CONCERNING TAXPAYER DOLLARS MAKING IT IMPERATIVE THAT WE UPHOLD THE HIGHEST STANDARDS TO OUR DECORUM. OUR POLICIES GUIDE OUR ACTIONS AND WE AIM TO ACHIEVE WHILE RESPECTING OUR CITY COUNCIL POLICY WHICH HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR 30 YEAR. PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOT THE SOLE METHOD, YOU MAY ALSO REACH OUT TO MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL BY PHONE, E-MAIL OR EVEN BY SCHEDULING AN IN-PERSON APPOINTMENT. I ALSO WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO REEMPHASIZE AN IMPORTANT MATTER. COUNCIL CHAMBERS IS A PLACE FOR PUBLIC BUSINESS, A FORUM FOR CIVIC DISCUSSION, DECISION-MAKING. IT IS NOT A STAGE FOR PERSONAL ATTACKS, DISRUPTIONS OR VULGARITY AND VIOLATIONS OF DECORUM WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. ADDITIONALLY, I WANT TO REASSURE EVERYONE FROM TIME TO TIME COUNCILMEMBERS MAY STEP AWAY FROM THE DAIS FOR BRIEF PERIODS. PLEASE NOTE THAT TELEVISIONS AND AUDIO ARE AVAILABLE IN THE BACK ENSURING THAT MEMBERS ENGAGE FULLY ATTENTIVE TO THE DISCUSSION EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT PHYSICALLY SEATED AT THE DAIS. I'LL ASK CITY ATTORNEY MILES RISLEY TO PLEASE REVIEW THE RULES OF DECORUM WHICH WILL APPEAR ON THE TELEVISION SCREENS. >> Risley: [READING RULES OF DECORUM] >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. RISLEY. SO PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND THE CITY IN WHICH YOU LIVE BEFORE BEGINNING YOUR COMMENTS. CITIZEN COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES, WHILE NONRESIDENT COMMENTS ARE LIMITED TO ONE MINUTE. A VISIBLE TIMER POSITIONED NEAR THE CITY SECRETARY'S DESK WILL MANAGE -- HELP MANAGE THE ALLOTTED TIME. RESIDENTS OF CORPUS CHRISTI WILL BE GIVEN PRIORITY IN SPEAKING OVER NONRESIDENTS. IF YOU HAVE A PETITION OR RELEVANT INFORMATION, PLEASE PRESENT IT TO THE CITY'S SECRETARY BEFORE SPEAKING. OKAY. >> I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER BEFORE -- I DID NOT SIGN UP AT 4:00. WILL I BE ALLOWED TO -- >> Mayor Guajardo: SIR, IF YOU CAN COME RIGHT OVER HERE AND TALK WITH THEM -- TALK WITH THEM. YES, THANK YOU. I THINK ROBIN SANDERS IS -- SHE ALREADY SPOKE. I DON'T THINK SHE'S HERE UNLESS -- ALL RIGHT. RACHEL CABALLERO. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN ON THE THINGS THAT I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT SO I'D LIKE TO GIVE OVER MY TIME TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT HAS SOME VALVALID CONCERNS ABOUT THE HOSTILE TAKEOVER OF OUR COUNCIL. PLEASE LET IT HAPPEN. >> Risley: MAYOR, YOU CAN'T -- TRANSFERRING TIME IS NOT PERMITTED. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. HENRY MAGNUM. >> HOW YOU DOING? HENRY MANGUM, DISTRICT 5. I'M A NATIVE OF CORPUS CHRISTI, I'M A LIEUTENANT AND 32-YEAR VETERAN OF THE CORPUS CHRISTI POLICE DEPARTMENT AND PRESIDENT OF THE CORPUS CHRISTI POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION. I'M HERE TO PUBLICLY THANK PETER ZANONI AND HIS STAFF FOR THE WORK THEY'VE DONE FOR THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS. WE START OUR CAREER, MOST OF US AT THE TRAINING CENTER OVER HERE. IT USED TO BE OFF OF EVERHART AND CORONA. I ASKED AROUND, I THINK WE GOT THAT BUILDING IN THE '80S. IT WAS ALREADY THERE. IT WAS PREEXISTING, AND WE SPENT ABOUT FOUR YEARS TRAINING OUR OFFICERS IN THAT BUILDING. THAT'S NO MORE. NOW OUT ON YORKTOWN WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL TRAINING CENTER. I WISH I WOULD HAVE STARTED MY CAREER THERE. THESE YOUNG GUYS COMING IN AND LADIES COMING IN GET TO START SOMEWHERE NICE LIKE THAT. IT'S A PROFESSIONAL BUILDING THAT HAS A BUILDING IN IT WHERE THEY CAN DO CLASSES, SO WE HAVE OUTSIDE INSTRUCTORS COME IN AND WE INVITE LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT FROM THE AREA TO COME OVER. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY SEE FOR CORPUS CHRISTI AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. OUR SUBSTATIONS, WHEN I CAME ON, IT WASN'T -- THE TULOSO CALALLEN ONE WAS A BUILDING OUT IN THE WOODS SOMEWHERE, THAT HAD HOLES IN THE FLOOR LITERALLY THAT THEY PUT BOARDS OVER. I WENT TO THE BLUFF AND WORKED THE BLUFF ISLAND AREA, WE DIDN'T HAVE A SUBSTATION. WE USED A ROOM AND BUILDING FIRE STATION NUMBER 15, I THINK IT WAS. WHEN WE WOULD BRIEF FOR GRAVEYARDS, THEY WOULD GET MAD AT US BECAUSE WE WERE TOO LOUD. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR US, PAVED, SO WE PARKED IN THE FIELD IN OUR UNITS AND OUR PERSONAL VEHICLES WOULD GET STUCK IN THE SAND. NOW WE HAVE TWO SUBSTATIONS, MAN, I WISH I WAS GOING TO STAY AROUND SO I WOULD WORK OUT OF ONE OF THOSE. THE BLUFF SUBSTATION HAS BEEN REMODELED FROM THE GROUND UP. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SUBSTATION. THE PUBLIC CAN COME IN THERE AND TALK TO AN OFFICER, THEY CAN FILE A REPORT. THE TWO NEW SUBSTATIONS IN THE ANNAVILLE AREA AND THE SOUTH SIDE ARE COMING ON, I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER ONE IN THE WORKS. MANPOWER, WE'RE BUDGETED AT A LITTLE OVER 500 OFFICERS NOW. I THINK WE'VE GAINED 60 SINCE THE PETER -- SINCE PETER ZANONI CAME ON BOARD. 60 OFFICERS IN THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS. IT'S WONDERFUL. WE NEED TO FILL OUR RANKS, BUT THAT'S AN INDUSTRY PROBLEM, I BELIEVE. WE'VE GOT A RELATIONSHIP WITH MR. ZANONI THAT'S BEEN INVALUABLE, WE'VE NEGOTIATED TWO CONTRACTS, WE'VE ARGUED AND FOUGHT, YOU KNOW, BUT WE DID IT -- TWO GOOD CONTRACTS. WE WORKED ON VARIOUS ISSUES. OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS, SOME OF YOU FACES UP HERE HAVE CHANGED, BUT HE'S BEEN THERE, AND HE'S DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB, AND WE APPRECIATE IT AND HIS STAFF. WE'RE -- I'M NOT ONLY A POLICE OFFICER, I'M A CITY EMPLOYEE AND MOST OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS ARE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY TOO. SO WE APPRECIATE THE WORK HE'S DONE TO MAKE EVERYTHING SAFE. ELECTED OFFICIALS COME THROUGH MY BUILDING QUITE OFTEN. THEY COME THROUGH THE POA AND ASK FOR OUR ENDORSEMENT AND THEY TELL US THEY BACK THE BLUE. I KNOW THAT GENTLEMAN DOES. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. MAGNUM. SUZIE SALDAÑA. >> SUZIE SALDAÑA, CORPUS CHRISTI, TEXAS. YOU KNOW, I'VE ASKED YOU BEFORE THAT YOU GUYS NEED TO GO BACK TO THE BASICS OF WHAT IT IS TO FOLLOW THE CHARTER OF THIS CITY. SOME OF YOU ARE REALLY GOOD AT IT, SOME OF YOU HAVE NOT DONE IT. AND I SEE THAT COMING FROM YOU. YOU NEED TO REMEMBER THAT YOUR JOB IS TO MAKE POLICY, THIS CITY IS A CITY MANAGER-RUN CITY, NOT A MAYOR-RUN CITY, NOT A COUNCIL-RUN CITY, A CITY MANAGER-RUN CITY. AND YOU NEED TO REMEMBER THAT. IT SEEMS THAT SOMEHOW YOU'VE FORGOTTEN, AND THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE BEEN HERE THE LONGEST HAVE TOTALLY FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT, BECAUSE YOU FEEL THAT YOU CAN TELL THE CITY MANAGER HOW TO IMPLEMENT POLICY. THAT IS NOT YOUR ROLE. YOUR ROLE IS TO MAKE THE POLICY, GIVE THE DIRECTION, AND LET HIM RUN WITH IT. IF HE CAN DO IT, HE'LL TELL YOU. AND IF HE CAN'T, HE'LL TELL YOU. BECAUSE HE'S DONE A GOOD JOB WITH MIXED MESSAGES THAT HE GETS FROM YOU ALL. HE'S ACTUALLY DONE A VERY GOOD JOB. SO IT'S TIME FOR YOU GUYS TO WAKE UP, LOOK AT WHAT YOUR DUTIES ARE, TO MAKE POLICY. YOU DO NOT RUN THE CITY. THE CITY MANAGER DOES THAT. HE DOES A DARN GOOD JOB, SO I THINK IT'S TIME YOU CHANGED YOUR ATTITUDES. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Pro Tem: THANK YOU, MS. SALDAÑA. ERIC VON WADE? >> ERIC VON WADE, DISTRICT 2. MY HAT'S NOT AS PRETTY, BUT I WILL SAY THIS. GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN. I THINK YOU'RE ALL DOING A FANTASTIC JOB, BUT WE NEED MORE FROM YOU. WHEN YOU VOTED NO ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THE INNER HARBOR, KIEWIT PLAN, THAT WAS THE TIME TO PRESENT YOUR PLAN. SO I SPEAK TO THE MAJORITY OF YOU WHO VOTED ON THAT. HERE WE ARE AT 11%, AND IF YOU HAVE A PLAN, IT IS NOT CLEAR TO US. THERE IS NO VICE IN EXTREMISM IN PURSUIT OF WATER. WE'RE AT 11% COMBINED CAPACITY, AND WHAT IS OUR PLAN FOR NOT ONLY NOW, BUT FOR THE GROWTH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THE FUTURE? I NOTICED A DIFFERENCE IN THE DEMEANOR OF YOU WHO ARE NOW IN THE MAJORITY, WE DO NOT SEE THE SWAGGER AND THE INTELLIGENCE OR THE EVIDENCE, THE POPULARITY. WE NEED TO SEE THE LEADERSHIP THAT YOU CHOSE WHEN YOU SAID NO TO THE PLAN THAT WE HAD. I WILL BACK YOU AND STAND WITH YOU WITH WHATEVER PLAN THAT YOU HAVE, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN. EXTREMISM IN PURSUIT OF WATER IS NO VICE. HAVING YOUR FRIENDS COME FORWARD TO COUNCIL TO THROW SHADE IS NOT THE SAME AS YOU LEADING THIS CITY. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHOA HAVE AN ALTERNATE PLAN, YOU MUST HAVE AN ALTERNATE PLAN BECAUSE WE ARE AT 11% CAPACITY. IF YOU HAVE NOT HEARD ME. AGAIN, THAT IS NOT A FORMULA FOR GROWTH. IT IS ONE THING TO SIT BEHIND THE HEDGE AND THROW WATER BALLOONS AT THE MARATHON RUNNERS UNTIL THE POLICE SHOW UP AND THEN PLAY GOOD. BUT NOW YOU MUST STAND BEFORE THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE HEDGE AND DEFEND YOUR PLAN. WHAT IS YOUR PLAN? THE TIME IS GONE. WE ARE ALREADY GOING TO GO INTO STAGE IV. AND IF WE GO INTO STAGE IV AND YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAN THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO STAND BEFORE AND TAKE THE SLINGS AND ARROWS THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN, THE MONIKER OF FAILURE WILL BE AT YOUR FEET, AND YOUR ADVISERS, YOUR CAMPAIGN MANAGERS, THE PEOPLE WHO CALL YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE THERE WITH THEIR NAME BRANDED TO THIS SITUATION. IT WILL BE YOU. AND I WILL STAND WITH YOU AT WHATEVER PLAN YOU COME FORWARD WITH, BUT THE CITIZENS DO NOT SEE A CONCERTED PLAN FROM YOU. YOU ARE THE MAJORITY. THE SIX OF YOU THAT VOTED AGAINST IT. I WANT TO SEE A PLAN WITH DESALINATION INVOLVED IN IT AND SOMETHING THAT'S GOING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO 2028 AT THE EARLIEST. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT, YOU HAVE ONLY BEEN CRITICS OUTSIDE THE RING AND NOT THE MEN OR WOMEN IN THE RING TAKING THE HITS. I HOPE AND I KNOW THAT YOU WILL SEE WHAT I SEE. YOU ARE THE COUNCIL WE NEED AND THE COUNCIL WE NEED IS THE COUNCIL WE HAVE. BUT YOU MUST STAND FORWARD AND LEAD. AND THAT MEANS NO MORE SITTING ON THE SIDELINES IN SAFETY. THOSE SEATS WILL NOT SHRINK BECAUSE THEY BOTH REQUIRE WATER FOR WOOD TO GROW AND LEATHER TO SHRINK. WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH WATER TO MEET OUR GROWTH, MUCH LESS GUARANTEED WHAT WE HAVE. EVANGELINE AND THESE OTHER PROGRAMS ARE NOT GUARANTEED. PICK UP THE BALL, CROSS THE FINISH LINE AND WIN FOR THE CITIZENS OF CORPUS CHRISTI. THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE COULD FIND COMMON GROUND. IF YOU WANT TO PUMP IT OUT IN THE OCEAN, FIND A WAY TO DO THAT. BUT LET'S MOVE FORWARD. >> Barrera: THANK YOU, MR. VON WADE. LET'S WAIT UNTIL AFTERWARD. >> Paxson: [OFF MIC] >> Barrera: I WOULD RATHER WE DO THAT AFTERWARD. RON GRABAN. >> Cantu: CAN I HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE, ROLAND. >> Barrera: REBECCA. >> City Secretary: I UNDERSTOOD THE MAYOR ASKED THE COUNCIL TO SAVE POINTS OF ORDER AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. HE'S JUST ENFORCING HER. THAT'S ALL HE WAS DOING. >> Barrera: THERE'S NO MOTIONS CAN BE MADE ON AN ITEM THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. RON GRABAN. >> Paxson: MAY I MAKE A POINT OF INFORMATION? >> Barrera: AFTER WE'RE DONE. >> [OFF MIC] >> Barrera: SHARON SEDWICK IS NOT IN. MR. JIM KLEIN. THANK YOU. >> City Secretary: SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DECORUM, RIGHT? SO THAT'S -- I'M JUST -- >> Cantu: [OFF MIC] >> City Secretary: I KNOW BUT I'M JUST REMINDING YOU WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT DECORUM. >> Barrera: MR. KLEIN. THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS JIM KLEIN. I LIVE IN DISTRICT 2. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT SUBJECT TONIGHT, ALTHOUGH IT IS RELATED TO WATER. THIS IS A SUGGESTION AND YOU CAN MAKE IT WHAT YOU WILL. I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI NEEDS TO CREATE A WATER COMMISSION, SIMILAR TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THE CITY ALREADY HAS RIGHT NOW. THIS WILL BE A VOLUNTEER COMMISSION. MEMBERS OF THE CITIZENS. WE WOULD BE TASKED TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE DECIDE TO BRING IN LARGE-VOLUME WATER USERS. YOU CAN DECIDE HOW YOU DEFINE THAT AS 100,000 GALLONS OR SOME OTHER NUMBER TO DETERMINE THAT. I THINK THAT THIS WOULD ENSURE TRANSPARENCY AND BRING IN NEW LARGE-VOLUME WATER CUSTOMERS INTO THE CITY. IT WOULD HELP TO RESTORE THE PUBLIC TRUST IN THIS PROCESS. TRUST RIGHT NOW I THINK SEEMS AT A LOW POINT. I HEARD THAT EARLIER TONIGHT ALREADY. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THAT. THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE INVOLVED SINCE THE NEW LARGE VOLUME CUSTOMERS COULD NECESSITATE NEW WATER SOURCES AND/OR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL DRIVE UP WATER RATES NOW OR IN THE FUTURE. AS THIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED IN THE LAST TEN YEARS. I BELIEVE THE CREATION OF THE WATER COMMISSION WOULD IMPROVE PUBLIC TRUST IN THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS IN ADDING NEW LARGE LARGE-VOLUME WATER USER. PLEASE TAKE THIS UNDER CONSIDERATION. >> Barrera: MARY ELENA GARZA. >> MARY ELENA GARZA, DISTRICT 1. CORPUS REMINDS ME A LOT OF MY HOMETOWN, WHICH IS BEEVILLE. AND I LEARNED ABOUT TCEQ LIVING IN BEEVILLE WHEN I WENT TO GET THE MAIL NOTICE WHEN I WAS ABOUT IN THIRD OR FOURTH GRADE. OF TCEQ LETTING ALL THE BEEVILLE RESIDENTS KNOW THAT OUR WATER CAN CAUSE CANCER IF CONSUMED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. I'M 34. DO THE MATH. IT'S BEEN UNSAFE DRINKING WATER. IT'S SIMILAR TO CORPUS BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER DRINK THE TAP WATER HERE RIGHT? AND WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE AND ALL OF THE LEAKS THAT WE WERE DISCOVERING IN THIS LARGE PIPELINE, IT ALSO REMINDED ME OF BEEVILLE BECAUSE BEEVILLE GETS THEIR WATER FROM THE SWEENEY SWITCH. AROUND ABOUT THAT SAME TIME I LEARNED ABOUT THIS HUGE LEAK GOING ON IN SWEENEY SWITCH FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. SO BAD, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE CITIZENS WERE RALLYING THEIR MONEY UP TOGETHER TO PAY FOR IT BECAUSE BEE COUNTY IS BROKE. KIND OF LIKE NUECES COUNTY IS BROKE. WATER ISSUES IS SOMETHING I HAVE GROWN UP WITH AND NOW I'M HERE THIS CORPUS AND I'M SEEING US RUNNING OUT OF WATER IN MY OWN LIFETIME. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WELLS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING WATER FROM MY NEIGHBORS, MY FAMILY, MY FRIENDS FOR THOSE WHO KEEP JUST PUSHING THIS DESALINATION. AND WE NEED DESAL AND WE NEED DESAL. IT'S KIND OF LIKE YOU GO AND YOU WANT THAT NEW CAMARO, RIGHT? YOU DON'T JUST GO TO THE LOT AND BUY THE CAMARO. THAT'S HOW YOU GET SCREWED OVER AND YOU GET A LEMON. YOU GET A BAD CAR. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS YOU DO LEADING UP TO GETTING THAT CAR. MAYBE YOU TALK TO YOUR BANKER. MAYBE YOU TALK TO A MECHANIC, RIGHT? WHY AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT THE ELECTRICAL DEMANDS WE'RE GOING TO NEED AND FACE IF WE GET THIS DESALINATION PLANT? WE'RE GOING TO GET BENT OVER, NOT JUST ON OUR WATER BILLS BUT ON OUR ELECTRIC BILLS. DURING WINTER STORM URI, BEING A LIFELONG COASTAL BEND RESIDENT, I HAVE NEVER SEEN US GO WITHOUT ELECTRICITY LONGER THAN A DAY. DURING WINTER STORM URI WE WENT WITHOUT ELECTRICITY FOR SEVERAL DAYS. THAT TELLS ME THAT OUR ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE HERE IS POOR. AND THE PAST TWO TEXAS LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS WHEN IT CAME TO GETTING MONEY FOR OUR ELECTRICAL GRID, OUR STATE POLITICIANS SAID NO THANKS. IF YOU WANT THIS DESAL PLANT, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO MEET THE ELECTRICAL DEMANDS? I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY TALK ABOUT THAT AND THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT PEOPLE LIKE ME, PEOPLE LIKE YOU GUYS, PEOPLE WHO ARE THINKING ABOUT MOVING HERE. IF YOU WANT DESAL SO BAD, DO THE DAMN HOMEWORK. >> Barrera: THANK YOU. ELENA MARTINEZ. >> ELENA MARTINEZ, DISTRICT 4. I AM DISAPPOINTED IN WHAT I'M SEEING WITH THIS COUNCIL. I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO BE PRESENT FOR A FEW WEEKS BUT I HAVE BEEN WATCHING AT HOME. AND LAST WEEK'S DISCUSSION WAS VERY FRUSTRATING TO WATCH AS A CITIZEN. WE HEAR WEEK AFTER WEEK CRITICISMS WITHIN COUNCIL AND ABOUT COUNCIL THAT THE RULES OF DECORUM ARE BEING APPLIED UNEVENLY. WE SEE FINGER POINTING RELATED TO THIS. THE MAYOR POINTS TO THE ATTORNEY AND CHASTISES HIM FOR NOT APPLYING THE RULES EVENLY. EVEN THOUGH AS THE PRESIDING MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL SHE HAS THE AUTHORITY AND THEREFORE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO APPLY THE RULES EVENLY JUST AS MUCH, IF NOT MORE SO THAN THE ATTORNEY. YOU'RE ALL HUMAN. YOU'LL MISS A FEW INSTANCES FROM TIME TO TIME BUT PEOPLE ARE NOTICING A PATTERN THAT THE RULES ARE MORE STRINGENTLY APPLIED TO PEOPLE YOU DON'T AGREE WITH. NOW APPARENTLY WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO REFER TO ANYONE BY NAME, WHICH BY THE WAY PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY DONE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY. I LOOKED AT THE RULES OF DECORUM PUBLISHED IN THE CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES AND I SAW NO SUCH RULE. IN FACT, IT ESTABLISHES THAT NOT ONLY ARE COMMENTERS ALLOWED TO REFERENCE A PERSON WITH NO PROHIBITION ON WHETHER A NAME CAN BE USED, BUT OUTLINES THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR SHALL BE REFERRED TO BY TITLE AND/OR TITLE WITH SURNAME. IT'S ALSO EXTREMELY DISINGENUOUS TO PRETEND THAT YOU DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REFERENCING SOMEONE AND ADDRESSING SOMEONE. THE PEOPLE ARE SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. NOW THERE'S ALSO THIS MORATORIUM ON PROFANE LANGUAGE. MOST LEGAL PRECEDENT ESTABLISHES THAT THIS LANGUAGE IS PROTECTED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT UNLESS THEY'RE CONSIDERED FIGHTING WORDS OR CAUSE AN ACTUAL DISTURBANCE. THE RULES OF PROCEDURE ALSO ESTABLISH THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE BEHOLDEN TO THE SAME RULES OF DECORUM AS THE CITIZENS. WITH THAT IN MIND, SINCE NOBODY OBJECTED TO THEIR CHOICES OF WORDS, COUNCILMAN CANTU AND COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN SET THE PRECEDENT LAST WEEK THAT [BLEEP] ARE ACCEPTABLE WORDS TO USE DURING A COUNCIL MEETING. DO I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM USING THESE WORDS? NO. IN FACT, AS I HAVE MENTIONED IN PAST COMMENTS, PEOPLE WHO CUSS ARE STATISTICALLY MORE HONEST. I FIND IT RELATABLE . I WORKED IN RESTAURANTS AND TRUCK STOPS. IT DOES NOT BOTHER ME. BUT HYPOCRISY DOES. THE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDABLY WOULD LIKE A LITTLE GRACE FROM THE CITIZENS IN UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'RE HUMAN. THAT IS A FAIR REQUEST. BUT WHEN YOU DON'T EXTEND THAT SAME GRACE AND UNDERSTANDING BACK, PEOPLE NOTICE AND GET OUTRAGED. THE SAYING THAT ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS EXIST FOR A REASON. YOUR ACTIONS ARE TELLING PEOPLE SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND PEOPLE ARE NOTICING. ESPECIALLY WHEN THE RULES OF DECORUM END WITH THESE RULES ARE NOT MEANT TO RESTRAIN A CITIZEN'S FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. I'VE PRINTED OUT AND HIGHLIGHTED FOR YOU THE TWO SECTIONS OF THE RULES OF DECORUM AND THE RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT I REFERENCED TODAY. THANK YOU. >> Barrera: THANK YOU, MS. MARTINEZ. BRANDON GUERAS. >> BRANDON G UERAS, CORPUS CHRISTI. TODAY I WANT TO DISCUSS A CRITICAL ISSUE AFFECTING OUR COMMUNITY. THE IMPENDING WATER CRISIS. AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE COASTAL BEND IS FACING A SEVERE DROUGHT AND OUR WATER SUPPLY IS UNDER STRESS. ACCORDING TO THE LATEST DATA, THE COMBINED STORAGE LEVELS OF CHOKE CANYON RESERVOIR AND LAKE CORPUS CHRISTI HAVE DROPPED BELOW 12%. THE CITY OF BEEVILLE HAS ALREADY ISSUED A PROCLAMATION AND DECLARATION OF A LOCAL STATE OF DISASTER DUE TO SEVERE DROUGHT AND IMMINENT PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY FAILURE. THIS TREND NECESSITATES PROACTIVE MEASURES TO ENSURE WATER SECURITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND INDUSTRIES. I'M HERE TO PRESENT A SOLUTION. ATMOSPHERIC WATER GENERATORS, AWGs, BY TSUNAMI PRODUCTS. THIS GENERATES CLEAN WATER FROM AIR HUMIDITY. TSUNAMI PRODUCTS CAN BE IMPLEMENTED QUICKLY TO SUPPLEMENT THE REGION'S WATER SUPPLY ENSURING THE WELL-BEING OF PEOPLE AND INDUSTRIES. BY ADDING THIS NEW INNOVATIVE WATER SOURCE TO THE SYSTEM, WE CAN HELP OFFSET IMPENDING WATER CURTAILMENTS FOR INDUSTRY. OUR PROPOSAL INCLUDES A PILOT PROJECT TO DEMONSTRATE THE VIABILITY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR AWG TECHNOLOGY, WHICH IS SCALABLE TO SUPPORT 1% TO 5% OF THE REGION'S WATER DEMAND. WE ARE EXPLORING FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THE TEXAS DIVISION OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, STATE WATER IMPLEMENTATION FUND FOR TEXAS, SWIFT FUNDING TO COVER INITIAL COSTS. ADDITIONALLY, WE PLAN TO IMPLEMENT ENERGY EFFICIENCY MEASURES TO SUPPLEMENT AWG ENERGY DEMANDS SUCH AS ANOTHER SOLAR FARM AND/OR ADDITIONAL ENERGY CREATION. FURTHERMORE, WE'LL WORK TOWARDS OBTAINING A TCEQ-APPROVED PILOT PROGRAM FOR INNOVATIVE, ALTERNATE TREATMENT FOR AWG POTABLE WATER INTEGRATION. IMPLEMENTING AN AWG FARM CAN PROVIDE MANY BENEFITS. MITIGATING THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH GROUNDWATER SCARCITY, PROTECTING THE REGION'S ECONOMY, INDUSTRY AND CITIZENS FROM THE DEVASTATING IMPACTS OF DROUGHT, AND SAFEGUARDING OUR WATER FUTURE. AND MAINTAINING OUR POSITION AS A LEADER IN WATER MANAGEMENT. WE BELIEVE OUR AWG TECHNOLOGY CAN BE A GAME CHANGER FOR THE COASTAL BEND. WE ARE EXCITED TO COLLABORATE WITH THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO IMPLEMENT THIS INNOVATIVE SOLUTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS CRITICAL ISSUE. WE ARE EAGER TO COLLABORATE WITH THE CITY AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO EXPLORE HOW ATMOSPHERIC WATER HARVESTING CAN M PLAY A VITAL ROLE. LET'S BUILD A MORE RESILIENT COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >> I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT DIALOGUE INTO THE FUTURE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER. I WOULD LIKE TO HELP Y'ALL FIND THAT ONE GALLON THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AND MORE. THANK YOU. >> Barrera: THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOU. ROBIN COX. >> HI. ROBIN COX, DISTRICT 3. AND I KNOW THE LADY EARLIER TODAY WAS SAYING SHE DIDN'T LIKE LIVING IN DISTRICT 3. I LOVE LIVING IN DISTRICT 3. I HAVE A WONDERFUL COUNCIL MEMBER THAT I CAN GUARANTEE WILL CALL ME BACK AS WELL AS MY AT-LARGE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU UP HERE RIGHT NOW, THERE'S THIS FEELING, SINCE WE CAN USE THE WORD NOW,. [EXPLETIVE] GETS TO CALL OUT PEOPLE. AS FAR AS THE WATER PROBLEM, THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. IT TOOK A WHILE TO GET HERE. I KNOW DURING THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL SOME PEOPLE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT THE WATER PROBLEM. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING BUT WATER PROBLEM. WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS HAPPENING. WE WERE BUSY DOING IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE HAVING A BARRY MANILOW DAY. I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ON BARRY MANILOW DAY BUT WE HAVE A SERIOUS WATER PROBLEM HERE AND MOST OF US TAKE OUR DAYS OFF TO COME HERE AND SPEAK. WE'RE NOT GETTING PAID. WE COME HERE AND WE'RE HOPING YOU'RE LISTENING. BUT I'M GOING TO PLAY SOMETHING FOR YOU BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT LISTENING AND THEY DON'T TAKE ADVICE. [RECORDING] >> HE SHOWED YOU THE EVIDENCE? >> YES. WHAT HE BELIEVED TO BE THE EVIDENCE. AGAIN, OUR COUNCIL. MYSELF AND MY COUNCIL MEMBERS RELY NOT ON PUBLIC COMMENT BUT ON OUR STAFF TO ADVISE US. >> WE DON'T RELY ON PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH IS TO ME SAYING SOME OF YOU AREN'T LISTENING TO PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WE COME HERE TO TALK. I CAN SEE WHICH ONE OF YOU ARE LISTENING, WHICH ONE OF YOU AREN'T. I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE A QUICK QUIZ AFTERWARDS AND ASK WHAT DID SOMEONE JUST SAY? I HAD THIS PARTICULAR -- SINCE WE CAN'T USE NAMES, IT WAS ONE OF THE VOICES HERE SAID WE DON'T TAKE ADVICE FROM PUBLIC COMMENT. WELL, YOU MAY NOT BUT WE VOTE. AND WE TELL OTHER PEOPLE. THERE MAY ONLY BE A FEW OF US HERE BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE YOUTUBE, THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE TUNING IN. THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE TURNING INTO THIS THAN ARE TURNING INTO LOVE ON THE SPECTRUM. WE'VE GOT PEOPLE TUNING IN AND LISTENING. AND THEY'RE CALLING ME AND SAYING WHAT IS GOING ON THERE. THEY'RE NOT EVEN LISTENING. THEY CAN COUNT THE ONES THAT ARE LISTENING. AND SOMEONE GOT UP HERE EARLIER AND SAID THEY CAN SEE THE SIX OF YOU THAT DON'T THINK YOU HAVE SWAGGER. I'VE BEEN AROUND Y'ALL. Y'ALL DEFINITELY HAVE SWAGGER. HE CAN'T SEE IT. THE REST OF US CAN. LAST TIME I WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING. A CERTAIN PERSON UP HERE SAID THAT THE MAYOR, THE GOVERNOR WAS GOING TO HAVE TO COME DOWN. DON'T CALL THE GOVERNOR DOWN HERE TO BULLY US AROUND. I VOTED FOR GOVERNOR ABBOTT. I CAMPAIGNED FOR GOVERNOR ABBOTT BUT I'LL BE THE FIRST ONE TO CALL HIM AND SAY YOU DON'T LIVE HERE. YOU DON'T USE THE WATER HERE. DON'T USE NAME DROPPING TO BULLY US AROUND. WE DON'T TAKE IT TOO LIGHTLY. WE'VE GOT SOME WOMEN UP HERE THAT I KNOW ARE PRETTY STRONG AND LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT SOME WOMEN. WE DON'T LIKE TO BE BULLIED AROUND. THANK YOU. >> Barrera: THANK YOU, MS. COX. CHRISTINA ENGLISH. >> CHRISTINA ENGLISH, DISTRICT 1. LAST WEEK AND ON COUNTLESS OTHER OCCASIONS, MYSELF AND OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE HAD THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS VIOLATED BY THE MAYOR, COUNCIL, AND MEMBERS OF CITY STAFF. MY SPEECH WAS INTERRUPTED AND SUBSEQUENTLY LIMITED INAPPROPRIATELY WHEN I ATTEMPTED TO MAKE COMMENT CONCERNING THE FITNESS OF OUR LIBRARY BOARD CHAIR TO SERVE IN THAT PETITION. A MEMBER OF THIS CITY'S LEGAL TEAM, WHOSE NAME I WASN'T ABLE TO FIND ON THE WEBSITE, INSISTED THAT NAMES COULD NOT BE USED WHILE GIVING COMMENT. WE'LL PUT ASIDE THE FIRST AMENDMENT IMPLICATIONS OF THAT MOMENTARILY AND REVISIT THE RULES OF DECORUM FOUND ON THE CITY WEBSITE. COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR SHALL BE REFERRED TO BY TITLE AND/OR TITLE WITH SURNAME. THIS CAN'T BE THE PROBLEM BECAUSE I MADE REFERENCE TO THE CHAIR OF THE LIBRARY BOARD AND NOT THE MAYOR OR ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL. AND EVEN IF WE EXTENDED THIS RULE BEYOND ITS LANGUAGE TO COVER THE CHAIR, I WOULD STILL HAVE BEEN WITHIN BOUNDS ON THIS RULE. ALL REMARKS SHALL BE ADDRESSED TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL AND NOT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS AS INDIVIDUALS. THIS IS ALSO NOT A PROBLEM. I WAS ADDRESSING THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND DID NOT SPEAK DIRECTLY TO ANYONE. IT'S WRITTEN THE SAME WAY IN THE CITY CHARTER, ONLY THERE I LEARNED IT'S POSSIBLE TO FINE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL FOR THEIR BREACHES OF DECORUM, MAKING ME WONDER HOW MANY OF A REVENUE STREAM WE'VE MISSED OUT ON. EVEN JUST BASED ON THE MAYOR. THAT SAME DAY, AT LEAST TWO OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS USED NAMES IN THEIR COMMENTS BUT WERE THANKFULLY NOT INTERRUPTED. TODAY AS WELL. DEMONSTRATING BOTH THE FAIRNESS AND EFFECTIVENESS OF INVENTING RULES ON THE FLY. I DON'T KNOW WHY THE CITY'S LEGAL DEPARTMENT FEELS PROTECTIVE ABOUT OUR LIBRARY BOARD CHAIR TO THE POINT THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO VIOLATE MY RIGHTS WHILE BEING RECORDED AND LIVESTREAMED. I WOULD REMIND THIS ENTIRE BODY THAT A VIOLATION OF ANYONE'S RIGHTS MAKES US ALL LESS FREE. THIS MAYOR AND COUNCIL ALSO LOOK WEAK AND PETTY WHEN THEY SPEND MORE TIME ARGUING ABOUT A COMMENTS RELATION TO CITY BUSINESS THAN THE THREE-MINUTE COMMENT WOULD HAVE TAKEN IF LEFT UNINTERRUPTED. I HAVE PERSONALLY SAT IN THESE CHAMBERS AND LISTENED TO COMMENTS ABOUT PEOPLE'S MOTHERS, PERSONAL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, AND OUTRIGHT HATE SPEECH. ALL UNINTERRUPTED. THE RULE REQUIRING A COMMENT TO BE ABOUT CITY BUSINESS IS SUBJECTIVE INEFFICIENT AND UNEVENLY APPLIED. PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD BE HELD AT 5:30 ON MONDAY, NOON ON TUESDAY, AND EACH ITEM. VIRTUAL PARTICIPANTS SHOULD HAVE EQUAL ACCESS AT EACH OF THESE TIMES. AND I STILL ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO TAKE A LOOK AT LIBRARY BOARD CHAIR PAT CRAIG'S SOCIAL MEDIA PRESENCE BEFORE THESE APPOINTMENTS COME UP. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> Barrera: THANK YOU, MS. ENGLISH. JASON HALE. I DON'T SEE JASON HALE. ELI McKAY. >> SORRY. I THREW MY BACK OUT. STRUGGLING. I WASN'T GOING TO COME TODAY BUT HERE I AM. MY NAME IS ELI McKAY AND I LIVE IN BEAUTIFUL UPTOWN CORPUS CHRISTI, DISTRICT 1. TODAY I CAME TO TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE [BLEEP] THE CITY SHOULD STRIVE FOR. AND SOMETHING THAT THE PEOPLE CRAVE. THE MEANING OF THE WORD CAN CHANGE BY THE PERCEPTION OF THE PERSON USING IT AND ALSO THOSE HEARING IT. ONE THING THAT IS CLEAR -- AND SOME OF YOU MAY NOT KNOW, WHO ARE NOT IN THIS ROOM, SADLY, IS THAT ALL OF YOU ON THIS DAIS ARE TRANSPARENCY BECAUSE YOU SHOW US YOUR TRUE COLORS EVERY SINGLE DAY. FOR SOME OF YOU, THAT IS A GOOD THING. YOU SHOW EMPATHY, UNDERSTANDING OF ISSUES, AND A FOCUS ON THE DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE FOR ALL OF US. OTHERS SHOW US A SELF-SERVING PATH, SOLELY EGO DRIVEN AND SOMETHING THAT I ALWAYS SAY IS THAT EGO IS THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE. THE TIME HAS COME FOR ANYONE IN A POSITION OF POWER TO PUT THEIR EGO ASIDE, TO LOOK BEYOND THEIR GREED, AND TO BE REALISTIC OF THE SITUATION WE ARE IN. STAND UP, BE BRAVE, SPEAK OUT AGAINST DIVISION, FEAR MONGERING, AND LIES. DO NOT ALLOW INVESTMENTS WE HAVE MADE TO BEAUTIFY OUR CITY BE CAUGHT IN THE CROSS-FIRES OF HATE BEING SPEWED BY OUR GOVERNOR. WE LIKE OUR DECORATIVE CROSSWALKS, JUST LIKE WE LIKE OUR LIBRARY COLLECTION OFFERING DIVERSE, INCLUSIVE OPTIONS FOR ALL CITIZENS WHO USE THE LIBRARY. CORPUS CHRISTI IS A DIVERSE CITY WITH INNOVATIVE ARTISTS, CREATORS, AND SMALL BUSINESS ENTREPRENEURS WHO HAVE A VISION FOR THEIR COMMUNITY. THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE VALUED AND LISTENED TO OVER ANY CORPORATE VOICES. X GAMES WOULD BE AWESOME IN CORPUS. AND I DON'T SEE ADAM HERE BUT MY GOD, LET'S LISTEN TO HIM. SOME OF YOU ARE LISTENING AND IT SHOWS. SO PLEASE KEEP GOING. SOME OF YOU ARE CATERING TO CORPORATIONS AT THE DETRIMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND YOU WILL BE REPLACED IN 378 DAYS. THANK YOU. >> Barrera: THANK YOU, MS. McKAY. ADAM RIOS. I DON'T SEE HIM EITHER. ADAM RIOS. OKAY. I GUESS REBECCA, BRITNEY YOUNG IS NEXT BY WEBEX. >> City Secretary: YES. SHE'S ONLINE. >> Barrera: MS. YOUNG. MS. YOUNG? >> City Secretary: SHE WAS ONLINE. >> Barrera: OKAY. MAYBE WE'LL COME BACK TO HER. OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE AMANDA GUERRA. IS SHE ON THE PHONE? >> City Secretary: I WAS TOLD SHE WAS BUT... >> Barrera: ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GIVE HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK. ALBERTO SARTUCCI. >> City Secretary: HE WAS ALSO ONLINE. >> Barrera: OKAY. WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. JIMMY VINCENT. >> I'M HERE. >> Barrera: WHO IS THAT? ALBERT? >> YES, SIR. >> Barrera: PROCEED. >> ALBERT SARTUCCI, I'M DISTRICT 3. I'M ALSO A VETERAN OWNED BUSINESS. I OWN A YOUTUBE CHANNEL CALLED TEAM HARD LIFE WITH 200,000 SUBSCRIBERS AND GROWING. I WANT TO THANK ALL THOSE WHO LISTENED TO US AND VOTED AGAINST THE INNER HARBOR DESAL PLANT AND STOOD AGAINST ALL THOSE WHO TRIED TO LEVY THEIR WEIGHT AGAINST YOU IN OUR CITY. WE ARE WATCHING AND WE'VE GOT YOUR BACKS. WE WILL CONTINUE TO SHARE THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IS GOING ON. WE KNOW AND UNDERSTAND WE NEED WATER BUT AT THE SAME TIME NOT AT THE DETRIMENT OF LOSING OUR NATURAL RESOURCES. I AM PRO-GROWTH. I WANT TO SEE EVERYONE RAISE UP [INDISCERNIBLE]. HOWEVER, NOW THAT WE WERE ALL PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT IS HAPPENING, WE ARE SEEING THE CROOKED, UNDER THE TABLE DEALS MADE FOR BIG BUSINESSES, PUTTING OUR TAXPAYER MONEY IN DANGEROUS HANDS RATHER THAN PUTTING IT TO TRUE GROWTH. OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, OUR STREETS, OUR WATER, OUR SCHOOLS, LIBRARIES. AND THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR ALL TAXPAYERS NOW AND FOR THE FUTURE TAXPAYERS WHO ARE TUNING IN AFTER THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS HAVE FINISHED. WE ARE ALL PAYING ATTENTION TO THE FEAR MONGERING AND FALSE NARRATIVES THAT ARE BEING TOLD. WE NEED MORE GROWTH IN THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT IS AVAILABLE. HOWEVER, DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY AND PROTECTING OUR NATURAL RESOURCES IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN WE CAN ALL TRULY FATHOM. WE'VE GOT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YEARS ON THIS PLANET AND BY DOING WHAT WE ARE DOING TO DESTROY THOSE NATURAL RESOURCES WILL LAST DECADES. WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING IS IN ORDER TO PROTECT OUR CITY'S FUTURE FOR NOT JUST US, OUR KIDS, AND THEIR KIDS AFTER THAT. GROWTH IS A POSITIVE THING. GROWTH IS ALWAYS GOOD IF IT'S DONE IN THE RIGHT WAY WITH EVERYBODY WORKING HAND IN HAND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE NOT PUSHING SOMEBODY DOWN. BASICALLY, LIKE SWIMMING. YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN SWIM TOGETHER, EVERYBODY MOVES. BUT IF SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO PUSH SOMEBODY UNDER WATER, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO SURVIVE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE'VE GOT TO SAY THIS, GUYS, BUT Y'ALL ARE PAYING ATTENTION AND THEY NAILED IT EARLIER. A LOT MORE PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO TUNE INTO WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING, HOW YOU ARE DOING IT. WE ARE NOT STUPID. WE ARE CATCHING UP. WE MAY BE A LITTLE SLOW BECAUSE WE HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THIS DEAL. BUT WE ARE CATCHING UP AND WE ARE LEARNING FAST, GUYS. WE WISH Y'ALL THE BEST. MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS BECAUSE WE ARE WATCHING AND VOTES ARE COMING UP VERY SOON. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MR. SARTUCCI. MR. HALE, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT? >> NO. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. AND THEN, MS. HUERTA -- NO, THIS IS IN PERSON. JIMMY VINCENT. >> City Secretary: I BELIEVE THE THREE INDIVIDUALS SPOKE WHEN THE ITEM CAME UP. MR. VINCENT, MR. CUELLAR, AND KELLY HARLAND. YEAH, I THINK THEY SPOKE WHEN THE ITEM CAME UP. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. BUT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DONE? OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU. I WAS HOPING OUR CITY MANAGER, IS HE AVAILABLE REAL QUICK? >> [OFF MIC] >> Paxson: THANK YOU, PETER. I WAS JUST ASKING FOR HELP AND I WANTED TO GO TO THE SOURCE. WE HAD SOMEONE COMMENT EARLIER. IT'S POSSIBLE -- I THINK THEY MAY HAVE MISSED THE ENTIRETY OF THE PRESENTATION TODAY IN COUNCIL. AND SO I WAS HOPING THAT YOU COULD HAVE STAFF GET WITH THAT INDIVIDUAL AND PROVIDE HIM AN UPDATED WATER SOURCE STATUS SHOWING TO HIM OUR EFFORTS AND OUR PLAN FOR BOTH IMMEDIATE AND LONG-TERM WATER. THEIR TIMELINES AND THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF WATER WE'RE GETTING, JUST SO HE REALLY GETS THE CLEAR MESSAGE WHAT THE PLAN IS. >> Zanoni: OKAY. WE CAN DO THAT. >> Paxson: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR USING. [EXPLETIVE] AND I'M SORRY IF THAT OFFENDED YOU. I DON'T THINK IT'S AN UGLY WORD, IT'S JUST SOMETHING I USED WHEN MY KIDS WERE GROWING UP. I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T THINK IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: WELL, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT SO WE WILL GO BACK TO OUR MEETING AGENDA. AND PICK UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF, WHICH IS ITEM NO. 23. AND THAT IS A MOTION AUTHORIZING A SHORT-TERM NON-REFUNDABLE OPTION FOR POTABLE WATER, RESERVATION, AND DIVERSION CONTRACT WITH THE NUECES RIVER AUTHORITY TO RESERVE 57,000 SEVEN ACRE FEET PER YEAR FOR THE SEAWATER DESALINATION PLANT. >> [OFF MIC] >> Mayor Guajardo: DO WE HAVE ANY STAFF? EVERYBODY'S MIA. NICK, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ON THIS ONE? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> NO, I'M JUST STANDING BY FOR QUESTIONS MAYOR. >> Mayor Guajardo: GREAT. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON? >> Paxson: THANK YOU, MAYOR. IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD GETTING TO THIS POINT. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A HUGE PROPONENT FOR THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A QUICK MOMENT JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THIS IS A GULF DESALINATION PROJECT. THIS IS PLANNED OUT TO UTILIZE WATER OUT INTO THE GULF. THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S USING CLOSE-WATER SYSTEM RESOURCES. I KNOW THAT'S BEEN A HUGE TOPIC OF INTEREST AND CONCERN SO I WANT TO SAY THAT RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE. THERE'S SOME CONFUSION, I THINK CIRCLING AROUND THE TERM -- SOME PEOPLE USE DESALINATION FOR A PROJECT BUT DESALINATION IS A TECHNOLOGY. THIS IS GULF DESALINATION. I WANTED TO START BY SAYING THAT. SECOND, IT'S A RESERVATION RIGHT. 50MILLION GALLONS A DAY, RESERVING THAT. ONCE THAT PROJECT STARTED, MY UNDERSTANDING -- SEE, I'M GIVING THE PRESENTATION NOW. THIS IS MORE FOR YOU TO CONFIRM. ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY SIGNING A WATER CONTRACT, WE CAN REEVALUATE. BUT TO ME IT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE AS MUCH WATER AS POSSIBLE UNDER RESERVATION BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE TO WORK WITH. WHEREAS ONCE WE GET THE PROJECT ONLINE, IF WE DETERMINED WE NEEDED MORE, IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M A PROPONENT FOR THE FULL AMOUNT. PETER, REALLY QUICKLY, I KNOW WHAT OUR BOOK SAYS BUT JUST FOR PUBLIC REFERENCE, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THE 50? >> Zanoni: RIGHT. MY RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE 50 MILLION-GALLON RESERVATION. WE BEGAN WITH 40 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS CONTEMPLATED WITH THE LA QUINTA PERMITS. THE CITY WAS IN THE PROCESS OF PERMITTING TWO LOCATIONS FOR DESAL. THE LA QUINTA SITE AND THE LA QUINTA SHIP CHANNEL WAS 40 MILLION GALLONS. THAT WAS FOR ANOTHER POTENTIAL LARGE VOLUME USER AND THEN THERE WOULD BE SOME EXCESS . WE THOUGHT GIVEN THE CONDITIONS THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE WESTERN RESERVOIRS, WHICH USED TO GENERATE ABOUT 70 MILLION GALLONS, WE'RE ASSUMING WHAT COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ AND I TALKED ABOUT SOMETIME AGO, WHICH WAS ASSUME THOSE MAY NEVER COME BACK TO FULL STRENGTH. 50 DOESN'T EVEN REPLACE THE WESTERN RESERVOIRS. SO IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO HAVE THE WATER WE NEED AND POTENTIALLY BRING ON SOME ADDITIONAL CUSTOMERS AS WELL. >> Paxson: THANK YOU. TO ME THIS IS THE SECOND PART. WE SPOKE AT LENGTH EARLIER ABOUT WANTING TO BE A GOOD PARTNER WITH OUR OTHER GROUNDWATER AUTHORITIES AND OUR OTHER LANDOWNERS THAT RELY ON GROUNDWATER. WE SAID THIS IS GOING TO BE AN INTERMITTENT SUPPLY. THE PROJECT HERE THAT WE'RE VOTING ON HELPS US PUT THAT IN ACTION. THIS GIVES US AN OPTION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT INTERMITTENT. SO, THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: BYRUM, CAN I ASK HIM SOME QUESTIONS? WE HAVE PROBABLY GONE OVER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I'M GOING TO ASK. FIRST OFF, CAN YOU TELL US SOME OF THE BIG PROJECTS THAT NUECES RIVER AUTHORITY HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN? >> YES. JOHN BYRUM, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NUECES RIVER AUTHORITY. I GUESS YOU GUYS KNOW ME BY NOW. YES, WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE CHOKE CANYON RESERVOIR. WE HEL PARTICIPATED IN THAT AND OWN 20% OF THAT. WE LEASE THOSE RIGHTS TO THE CITY OF VICTORIA -- VICTORIA. TO THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI ANNUALLY. WE HAD A LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT. WE'VE ALSO BEEN INVOLVED IN THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE. WE WORKED ON A TRIANGLE THERE WITH THE PORT OF CORPUS CHRISTI, CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI, AND NUECES RIVER AUTHORITY CONSTRUCTING THAT. WE CONSTRUCTED A $30 MILLION WASTEWATER SYSTEM UP IN REAL COUNTY. WE'VE GOT THE LAST PART OF THAT -- IT'S BEEN IN OPERATION FOR FIVE YEARS BUT THE LAST PART OF THE FUNDING TO CONNECT THE LAST 91 HOUSES IS FIXING TO BE SENT OUR WAY AND WE WILL FINISH THAT PROJECT. JUST ABOUT THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2026. THOSE ARE THE FEW. WE HAVE ALSO BEEN IN THE WATER PLANNING BUSINESS SINCE 1999 PLANNING WATER. AND NOW IN THE FLOOD PLANNING BUSINESS PLANNING FOR THE NUECES BASIN. >> Vaughn: I WANTED THE PUBLIC TO HEAR BECAUSE Y'ALL HAVE DONE SOME SUBSTANTIAL PROJECTS. MARY RHODES HAS BEEN A BIG ONE WHERE YOU PARTNERED WITH THE PORT AND THAT GIVES ME CONFIDENCE YOU CAN GET THIS DONE. YOU ARE A STATE AGENCY. I SAW A LIST OF YOUR CUSTOMERS. VERY IMPRESSIVE. THAT'S GOOD. HOW MUCH NEEDS TO BE RESERVED BEFORE YOU GET STARTED? IF YOU GUYS RESERVE THE 50 WE'LL CERTAINLY HAVE ENOUGH. IN FACT, WE'LL BE TELLING PEOPLE NO AS OF TOMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY. I HAVE TO DO THE MATH ON THAT TO MAKE SURE BUT TONIGHT IN SEPARATE PLACES WE HAVE OVER 12 MILLION GALLONS BEING CONTEMPLATED TO BE SOLD TOO. IT'S A FIRST PAY, FIRST GET KIND OF THING. YOU KNOW, SO AS SOON AS WE GET THAT CHECK, THEN THAT RESERVATION GOES IN. SO WE COULD -- WE PLAN -- WELL, TOMORROW AT 3:00 THERE WILL BE A MASS EXODUS INCOMING ON OUR FACILITY IN UVALDE BECAUSE WE WILL BE TAKING RESPONSES FROM THE DESIGNERS ON THE CONVEYANCE SYSTEM. WE HAD OVER 60 PEOPLE PULL PLANS ON THAT. WE EXPECT 12, 14 RESPONSES TO THAT. THEN WE WILL BE PUTTING OUT OUR RFQ FOR THE P3 PARTNER. I TALKED WITH THE CONTRACTOR THAT'S DOING THAT FOR US AND HE WILL HAVE THAT READY TO GO. IF NOT BY THE END OF OCTOBER, BY THE FIRST WEEK OF NOVEMBER. SO THAT WILL BE OUT ON THE STREET TOO. WHEN JANUARY ROLLS AROUND, WE WILL HAVE OUR APPLICATION IN FOR THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD TO GET FUNDING FOR THE DESIGN OF BOTH THE PLANT PORTION OF IT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME OFF-RAMP MONEY THERE IF THE P3 CONTRACTOR CANNOT REACH A PRICE AGREEMENT, THEN WE WOULD HAVE AN OFF-RAMP THERE. AND WE ALSO NEED MONEY TO DESIGN THE CONVEYANCE SYSTEM. >> Vaughn: WHAT WAS THE COST ESTIMATE YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BE? >> FOR? >> Vaughn: COST TO DO THE DESAL. >> THE ENTIRE PROJECT IS GOING TO BE BETWEEN 5.5 AND $6 BILLION. THAT INCLUDES THE TREATMENT, WHICH WE WON'T BE FUNDING. YOU KNOW, THE P3 PARTNER WILL BE FUNDING THE TREATMENT PORTION OF IT. SO LET'S TAKE 1/5, 1/6 OF THAT OUT. >> Vaughn: DO YOU HAVE AN ENGINEER THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO AND THEY SAY THIS IS GOING TO COST THIS, THE PIPE? >> WE HAVE A CLASS 5 ESTIMATE PERFORMED. THAT'S THE ONE WITH THE MOST CONTINGENCY AND MOST ESTIMATED COST IN IT PERFORMED BY BLACK AND BEACH. THAT'S WHAT THIS RESERVATION IS FOR. >> Vaughn: GOTCHA . OKAY. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ALLOCATE THE COST PER CITY THAT PUTS A RESERVATION FEE? IF YOU'RE SENDING WATER UP NORTH, THE CITY OF CORPUS SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE ON ANY OF THAT COST, RIGHT? >> YOU KNOW, THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS TO WORK A WATER RATE AND WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME PEOPLE A LOT SMARTER THAN I AM -- THAT'S NOT HARD TO FIND. BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE A LOT SMARTER THAN I AM TO GO IN AND DESIGN THAT RATE PACKAGE FOR US. AND THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN DO THAT. PETER AND I HAVE TALKED. HERE YOU DO COST OF SERVICE, WHICH IS ACCEPTABLE, AND THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DO IT. IF WE DO COST OF SERVICE, THEN YOU WOULD BE PULLING WATER OFF OF THE MAIN BEFORE IT GOT TO THE SECOND OR THIRD STATION OR EVEN FURTHER, IF IT HAS TO GO THAT FAR. AND YOUR RATE WOULD BE LESS THAN THOSE PEOPLE UPSTREAM. NOW, WHAT COULD FIGURE INTO THIS, THOUGH, IS IF WE GET THE STATE PARTICIPATION LOAN, YOU KNOW, AND WE GET -- WE'VE BEEN TOLD THEY'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT US APPLYING FOR THAT, THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD IS. IF WE GET A STATE PARTICIPATION LOAN AND IT WORKS AS AN OVERSIZE AGREEMENT, IN OTHER WORDS, THEY HELP US DEFER THE COST OF THE OVERSIZED MAIN THAT WE'RE GOING TO RUN SO WE JUST HAVE TO RUN THE MAIN ONCE, THEN THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE A DETRIMENT TO YOU AT THAT POINT BECAUSE THE STATE COULD BE DEFERRING THAT FOR 10 YEARS. THAT COST FOR 10 YEARS. SO IT MIGHT BE BETTER AT THAT POINT THAT EVERYBODY GETS THE SAME RATE. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. IT'S NOT THAT I'M TRYING TO DODGE THE QUESTION BUT AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME WE'LL LOOK AT THAT. WE'LL HAVE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, SOMEONE FROM THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. IF YOU GUYS PAY TO PLAY. WILL BE ON THAT COMMITTEE. >> Vaughn: I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MR. ZANONI ON AS AN EX OFFICIO ON. >> I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MANAGER ON THAT DEAL. >> Vaughn: YOU'RE WELCOME. >> AS IF YOU NEEDED SOMETHING ELSE TO DO. >> Zanoni: I WOULD BE GLAD TO BE ON THERE. >> Vaughn: THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME BECAUSE TO ME THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR COST WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO UP NORTH. >> YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. AND THE ONLY WAY THAT THAT WOULD BE A DETRIMENT TO YOU IS IF WE GOT A LOT OF STATE MONEY TO OFFSET RUNNING THAT WATER MAIN. >> Vaughn: LET'S HOPE THAT'S NOT. WHAT IF ONE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS DROPS OUT? WHO IS GOING TO SHOULDER THEIR PART? >> LISTEN, IT'S FIXING TO BREAK LOOSE, FROM WHAT WE'RE HEARING, UP NORTH. WE'VE GOT A CUSTOMER THAT WE ARE TALKING TO TONIGHT. TRAVIS IS THERE TONIGHT. WE'VE GOT JOHN AT ANOTHER PLACE TONIGHT. WE'VE GOT EVERYBODY SPREAD OUT. BUT THEY ARE NORTH OF WHERE WE PUSHED SO FAR. IF THEY TIE ON, WE'RE TOLD THAT THEY'RE AN ALLIANCE AND THAT COMPLETE ALLIANCE WANTS TO COME ON BOARD. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS HERE TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GUYS WANT WATER, YOU GET WATER. AND THEN WE GET THE MONEY IN THE BANK SO THAT WE'VE GOT YOU ON THE RESERVATION. >> Vaughn: BUT WHAT HAPPENS? >> IF ONE FALLS OUT, WE'VE GOT PLENTY. WE'RE GOING TO START TAKING SECONDARY -- LET'S DO IT THIS WAY. MY WIFE AND I ARE FLYING TO BOSTON THIS WEEKEND. IF WE GET THERE LATE AND MISS OUR PLANE, WE'LL BE ON STANDBY FOR THE NEXT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE STANDBY WATER RESERVATION FEES. >> Vaughn: GOOD ANSWER. HOW MUCH IS IT COSTING YOU GUYS TO DO THE STUDY TO ESTIMATE THE COST? JUST CURIOUS. >> LET'S SEE. THAT WAS PART OF AN $849,000 TASK ORDER THAT WE HAD WITH BLACKEN BEACH. THEIR SECOND WAS $1.6 MILLION. >> Vaughn: THAT'S GOING TO TELL US IF IT'S A VIABLE PROJECT AND HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST TO BUILD IT. >> IT WILL TELL US IF IT'S A VIABLE PROJECT, YES . >> Vaughn: ALL RIGHT. MY QUESTION, WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS TO REPORT BACK TO THE CITY? HOW OFTEN ARE YOU REPORTING AND GIVING US UPDATES? >> WE HOPE TO DO THAT, NOT ONLY TO THE CITY, BUT WE HOPE TO HAVE A PHONE CALL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS BUT WE HAVE HIRED DEBBIE LINDSAY OPAL TO HELP US WITH COMMUNICATIONS. DON'T TELL HER, BUT SHE'S PRETTY SHARP. SHE CAME OUT WITH A WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE A CONFERENCE CALL THAT WE COULD CONFERENCE CALL ONCE EVERY OTHER MONTH OR SO TO THE DELEGATION, THE STATE REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATORS IN OUR AREA, AS WELL AS, RIGHT AFTER THAT, WE HANG UP AND WE DO IT WITH OUR CUSTOMERS IN THE SAME WAY. SO WE COULD HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS BUT WE CAN ALSO HAVE THESE PHONE CALLS PERIODICALLY. THAT'S HOW OFTEN WE HOPE TO DO THAT AND WE WOULD HOPE THAT -- >> Vaughn: WELL, YOU DIDN'T TELL ME HOW OFTEN. YOU JUST SAID PERIODICALLY. HOW OFTEN ARE YOU THINKING? >> I WOULD SAY WE WOULD WANT TO DO THAT EVERY OTHER MONTH, IF NOT EVERY MONTH. IF YOU GUYS WANT IT EVERY MONTH, WE COULD DO IT. >> Vaughn: I JUST LIKE TRANSPARENCY AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC. BY THE WAY, GOOD CALL FOR HIRING DEBBIE LINDSEY OPAL. >> HER RATE JUST WENT UP. >> Vaughn: I THINK IT'S A GOOD POLICY FOR THE CITIZENS AND IT'S DESAL AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME TO DO BUT WITH THE BACKING YOU HAVE HOPEFULLY FROM THE STATE AND OTHERS THAT ARE SUPPORTING YOU, I'M HOPING WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COULD POSSIBLY GET THROUGH AND HAVE IT DONE BY '29 BUT I'M HOPING YOU DO. >> THAT'S OUR GOAL. >> Vaughn: I KNOW IT IS. >> THIS END OF THE BASIN BY '29. >> Vaughn: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. OKAY. WELL, I JUST GOT BACK FROM BAYTOWN THIS SATURDAY AND IT JUST CONFIRMED WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE HERE IN CORPUS CHRISTI, WHICH IS MILES AND MILES AND MILES OF JUST HEAVY INDUSTRY. SO I AM OPPOSING THIS DESALINATION PLANT. THE REASON BEING IS WE KEEP CHASING -- IT'S LIKE CHASING OUR TAILS. WE'RE GETTING MORE WATER SO WE CAN GET MORE CUSTOMERS. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO STOP. SO THE OTHER -- I GUESS, YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE -- I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE ON THE RIGHT PATH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE EVANGELINE AND WITH OUR WATER WELLS. THAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO USE RESPONSIBLY. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT OUR CITY WANTS TO BECOME ANOTHER INDUSTRIALIZED CITY. I WAS JUST LETTING COUNCILWOMAN KNOW ABOUT A CONVERSATION OR A WORKSHOP THAT I ATTENDED, YOU KNOW, A WHILE BACK WITH DR. JIM LEE. AND COME TO FIND OUT THAT THE CITIES THAT DO INVEST IN THESE INDUSTRIES END UP BEING NOT PROSPEROUS. THEY'RE STILL LIVING BELOW THEIR INCOME LEVELS. SO, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT OUR CITY IS WANTING. SO, NO, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THAT AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY SURPRISE TO ANYONE. JUST TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN CANTU. >> Cantu: THANK YOU, MAYOR. NICK, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO GET DONE IS CONTRACTS FOR THE REFINERIES TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE BUYING OUR WATER, LOCK THEM IN. BECAUSE THEY ARE THE LOUDEST ONE RIGHT NOW ASKING FOR WATER. THEY NEED THE WATER SO I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE LOCK THESE CONTRACTS IN BEFORE WE START BUYING ALL THIS DIFFERENT DEALS OF WATER TOO, YOU KNOW? >> I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THE IMPORTANCE. WE ARE -- COUNCILMAN, WE ARE ENGAGING TO ASSIST IN THAT EFFORT. THAT'S ONE OF THE ACTION EFFORTS THAT CCW IS TAKEN ON AND WILL PURSUE DILIGENTLY. >> Cantu: WHAT'S YOUR TIME-FRAME? >> I CAN'T OFFER THAT RIGHT NOW AND THE REASON IS CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. WE NEED TO ESTABLISH THE APPROACH AND WE'VE GOT TO MEET WITH THE ENTITIES AND WORK THROUGH THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES THERE. I CAN COME BACK -- ONCE I DEAL MORE WITH NEW GEN, I CAN COME BACK WITH OUR GOAL. >> Cantu: I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST CONCERN OF MINE. WE'RE APPROVING WATER PROJECTS AND WE DON'T HAVE WATER CONTRACTS IN PLACE. THAT'S VERY CONCERNING. >> COMPLETELY AGREE. >> Cantu: CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? PAYING FOR THIS WATER DEAL, YOU WILL NOT BE CONTACTING NONE OF OUR CUSTOMERS, CORRECT? >> NO. NO. WE'VE HAD CUSTOMERS CONTACTING US. IF THIS COUNCIL DOESN'T MOVE FAIRLY QUICKLY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. >> Cantu: I UNDERSTAND. BUT IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GO TO OUR CUSTOMERS AND TRY TO GET THEM TO PAY FOR WATER. >> WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE FROM SAN PATRICIO COUNTY APPROACH US AND WHAT WE'RE TELLING THEM IS THIS, IF THEY'RE AFRAID THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE WATER -- THESE ARE SOME OF THE INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS. THEY NEED TO PAY FOR A WATER RESERVATION FEE TO HAVE THE WATER RESERVED IN THAT FIRST 100 MILLION GALLONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PERMITTED FOR. WE CAN'T TELL THEM WHO WILL BE SENDING THEM THE WATER BILL. IN OTHER WORDS, WE'LL WORK WITH THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI OR CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI CAN WORK WITH SAN PAT, WHATEVER. THAT'S THE WAY THAT WILL BE BILLED AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WITH THOSE INDUSTRIAL PEOPLE. >> Cantu: BUT THEY CAN'T GO TO YOU DIRECTLY AND BUY WATER. >> THEY HAVE. WE HAVE GOT ONE SINCE THE TIME -- >> Cantu: BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS WE'RE -- >> HALF A MILLION GALLONS. >> Cantu: MY CONCERN IS WE'RE GOING TO RESERVE ALL THIS WATER FROM YOU GUYS AND THEN THESE CUSTOMERS ARE GOING TO GO BUY WATER DIRECTLY FROM YOU AND SAY, HEY, CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. WE DON'T NEED YOUR WATER. WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. >> WHAT YOU DO WITH YOUR CUSTOMERS IS YOUR BUSINESS AND NOT MY BUSINESS. WE'VE GOT ENOUGH TO STAY BUSY. NOW THEY COME AT US AND THEY'RE TELLING US THEY WANT OFF, THEY WANT OFF, THEY WANT OFF. I'M GOING TO WORK WITH PETER ON THAT DEAL AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN RESOLVE THOSE ISSUES. YOU CAN CAN RESOLVE THOSE ISSUES. THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO RESOLVE, IT'S FOR YOU TO RESOLVE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO NEED WATER. BUT I'M NOT OPENLY SOLICITING THEM NO. WE DO HAVE A CONTRACT THAT WE ARE ADMINISTERING IN SAN PATRICIO COUNTY AND ARANSAS COUNTY AND IT DEALS WITH WASTEWATER ASSESSMENTS, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT ASSESSMENTS. WHEN WE WALK IN THERE, THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM SHOWS UP. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO FOR WATER? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO FOR WATER? SO WE'RE IN A SPOT THERE. >> Cantu: YEAH. WHAT'S THE TIME-FRAME YOU'RE GOING TO GET THIS COMPLETED? >> THE PLANT AND THE PIPELINE UP THROUGH ABOUT 188. WHETHER THAT'S HIGHWAY 181 OR WHETHER IT'S 37, WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT OPERATING AND PROVIDING WATER, POTABLE WATER, BY THE END OF 2029. DECEMBER OF 2029. >> Cantu: 2029. >> A LOT OF THINGS HAVE TO FALL IN PLACE FOR THAT. >> Cantu: IT COULD BE EVEN SOONER? >> WELL, THAT'S PRETTY AGGRESSIVE. >> Cantu: JUST MAKING SURE. >> I'LL BE GRAY HEADED BY THEN. >> Cantu: MY OTHER QUESTION IS ARE YOU GOING TO PIPE OUT THE BRINE ALL THE WAY TO THE GULF? >> YES, SIR. YES SIR. NOW, ONE OF THE STATEMENTS I MADE IN HERE -- OH, I'VE BEEN HERE SO MANY TIMES I CAN'T REMEMBER. BUT ONE OF THE STATEMENTS I MADE IN HERE WAS A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING. I SAID IT WAS 3.2 MILES. THE TUNNEL IS 3.2 MILES FROM HARBOR ISLAND BUT THERE'S ANOTHER ISLAND IN BETWEEN HARBOR ISLAND AND WHERE THE DISCHARGE POINT IS. AND IT'S 1.6 MILES INTO THE GULF FROM THAT ISLAND. AND THAT'S WHERE THE SHELF FALLS OUT. IT'S IN 37-FOOT OF WATER. >> Cantu: 1.6 MILES? >> 1.6 MILES FROM THE ISLAND THAT SEPARATES US FROM THE DISCHARGE YES SIR. >> Cantu: GOT IT. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. AND THEN, PETER, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING HOW MANY GALLONS? >> Zanoni: I'M RECOMMENDING 50 MILLION-GALLON RESERVATION FEE. THAT'S THE RESERVATION FEE. AS THE NRA DEVELOPS THE BUSINESS MODEL, WE'LL WORK WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ON WHAT TYPE OF CONTRACT WATER, IF ANY, THAT WE'LL GET. BUT RIGHT NOW THE RESERVATION FEE IS FOR 50. GIVING US THE RIGHT TO BUY UP TO THAT AMOUNT. AND, AGAIN, JUST SOME THINGS TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE. THE TWO WESTERN RESERVOIRS USED TO GENERATE ABOUT 70 MILLION GALLONS. AND SO THE 50 DOESN'T EVEN REPLACE THOSE TWO SOURCES. WE KNOW THERE'S DEMAND FOR MORE WATER. OUR RESIDENTS ARE IN RESTRICTIONS. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO WATER THEIR LAWNS FOR TWO YEARS PLUS. THERE'S A NEED FOR WATER AND THE QUESTION OF HOW MUCH, NICK IS GOING TO TRY TO ANSWER LATER ON IN ONE OF HIS WATER PRESENTATIONS. BUT MANY ENTITIES THAT WE WORK WITH HAVE WATER THAT THEY DON'T USE AND THEY USE A SOURCE AND THEN THEY RELAX IT AND THERE'S WATER THERE. AND WE DON'T DO THAT. WHEN YOU DON'T DO THAT, YOU END UP WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. WE'RE IN EMERGENCY MODE. WE DON'T HAVE REDUNDANCY. SO IT'S OKAY TO HAVE EXCESS WATER. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT SCENARIO. SO FOR THAT POINT AS WELL, THE 50 MILLION RESERVATION AT LEAST GIVES US THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE ENOUGH WATER. >> Cantu: I REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE PROJECT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH US OR WITHOUT US, YOU KNOW? AND THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD IT. NICK, DO YOU RECOMMEND THIS PROJECT? >> YEAH. I DO. AND IT GOES BACK TO THE DIVERSIFICATION OF OUR WATER SUPPLY. WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT EVANGELINE EARLIER. WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE MRP. WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT NUECES GROUNDWATER WELLS. WE'VE GOT TO DIVERSIFY THAT WATER PORTFOLIO SO THAT WE CAN MANAGE IT PROPERLY AND NO PUN INTENDED BUT WHETHER THESE STORMS, THESE DROUGHT SITUATIONS AND DEAL WITH THEM AS A CITY . >> Cantu: YEAH. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT. I THINK WHAT THE INNER HARBOR WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE IN 2028, 2029, 50 MILLION GALLONS. I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN BARRERA. >> Barrera: THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO DISCREDIT ALL THIS. I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT -- I'VE ALWAYS SAID IT'S AN AMBITIOUS PROJECT BUT I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT IT'S VIABLE. EVEN AT 5.5 TO $6 BILLION. FOR 100 MILLION GALLONS, YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID IT AND I GUESS I'LL SAY IT AD NAUSEAM ABOUT THE OTHER PROJECT WE HAD. $1.2BILLION TIMES 3 IS 3.6, FULLY PERMITTED AND PROVIDED SOME CERTAINTY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S CERTAINTY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS. GOD BLESS THEM FOR TRYING. I KNOW THEY WERE ON THE KYLE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA OUT THERE BETWEEN AUSTIN AND SAN ANTONIO FOR I THINK -- I DON'T KNOW. HOW MANY MGD. BUT I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME. AND I'M WITH YOU GUYS PROBABLY 99% OF THE TIME. AND I JUST -- WE DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN. WE HAVEN'T PUT TOGETHER A RATE MODEL. WE'VE JUST GOT SOME RANGES. YOU KNOW, $2.7 MILLION -- YOU KNOW, MICHAEL HUNTER USED TO CALL ME A [INDISCERNIBLE] DEMOCRAT EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO CALL ME A REPUBLICAN. THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE BY THEIR SMILES . BUT I'M JUST HAVING A HARD TIME WITH ALL THESE FUNDS THAT WE'RE SPENDING THAT DOESN'T BRING US ANY CERTAINTY. IT'S BASED ON AN IDEA. AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, $2.7 MILLION. I TALKED TO INDUSTRY REGULARLY AND I KNOW THEY HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME WITH THE LACK OF CERTAINTY. I'M NOT TRYING TO DISCREDIT YOU, MR. BYRUM. MAYBE YOU'RE TALKING TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAN I AM, MOST LIKELY. THANK YOU FOR LIKING MY GRANDDAUGHTER'S DRIVING AT THE RANCH. THANK YOU. SO I THINK -- YOU KNOW ONE THING -- AND I SAY THIS WITH ALL RESPECT. YOU KNOW, I HATE THAT SAYING BECAUSE YOU CAN SAY ANYTHING. BUT SOMEBODY -- I THINK THERE'S TWO INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ON THIS PROJECT -- OR ONE THAT I KNOW. AND I THINK IT BRINGS A LOT OF CREDIBILITY TO YOUR PROJECT, A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE I KNOW I HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH HER AND I KNOW I CAN TALK TO HER. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD THING. I KNOW THAT A FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER WHO NOW WORKS FOR THE SENATOR ENDORSES THIS PROJECT, BELIEVES VERY HIGHLY IN IT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THOSE ARE TWO PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE WRINGER HERE ON THIS DAIS AND SO THEY VETTED IT AND THERE'S A REASON BEHIND IT AND IT'S NOT ALL GREED. IT'S BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN IT. UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T SEE US SPENDING THE MONEY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW -- I HAVEN'T BEEN CONVINCED THAT IT'S VIABLE. MAYBE IT IS A LONG-TERM SOLUTION. RIGHT NOW I HAVEN'T BEEN CONVINCED THAT, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S NOT ANOTHER EXXON COMING FOR A LONG TIME. AND I KNOW THERE'S AT LEAST THREE DATA CENTERS I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY PEOPLE IN REAL ESTATE THAT THEY WERE KICKING THE TIRES AND ONCE THEY FOUND OUT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY WATER TODAY, THEY DON'T FEEL WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY WATER IN FIVE YEARS BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THEY NEED IT. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THOSE HYDROGEN FACILITIES THAT WERE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES, NOW THEY DIDN'T NEED THE WATER FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEY'RE NOT CONVINCED, BASICALLY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY CERTAINTY. I REALLY DON'T SEE, BASED ON ALL THESE OTHER INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, I HOPE EVANGELINE MAKES IT. I HOPE IT DOES. I THINK WITH THAT AND WITH THE WESTERN WELLFIELDS, WHICH WE SUPPORTED TODAY WITH CREATING THE OTHER WATER CONTROL DISTRICT. I JUST DON'T SEE PUTTING MORE MONEY INTO -- AND I THINK THERE'S OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE COULD DO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE LA QUINTA IS CONSIDERED -- I THINK IF WE WERE GOING TO ENDEAVOR INTO A PROJECT OF THAT MAGNITUDE, BARNEY DAVIS MAKES MORE SENSE. THE ELECTRICITY IS OUT THERE. IT'S OUT THERE TOWARDS THE GULF. I WOULD PROBABLY SAY IF WE HAD SOME TYPE OF FEE FOR ENGINEERING TO PROCEED ON BARNEY DAVIS, I THINK THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. WITH THAT, OBVIOUSLY I'M VOTING NO. I DON'T SEE US SPENDING THE MONEY ON -- AND I THINK WE HAVE OTHER INITIATIVES THAT HAVE MORE CERTAINTY. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO ALSO CONFIRM THAT EVEN WITH THIS PROJECT, THAT STILL WOULD NOT GET US OUT OF OUR DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE TIED TO THE RESERVOIRS. AGAIN, HOW DO WE FIX THAT? >> Zanoni: YEAH. THAT'S SOMETHING WE TALKED TO SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT, INCLUDING COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. THAT IS PART OF A TCEQ AND CITY CONTRACT, IF YOU WILL. AND WE ARE GOING TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO HELP US LOOK INTO WHAT HAPPENS IF WE OPEN THAT CONTRACT UP. RIGHT NOW IT SAYS -- IT'S NOT SO PRESCRIPTIVE BUT IT SAYS IF THE LAKE LEVELS GET TO A CERTAIN POINT THEN THE CITY MUST ENACT SOME FORM OF WATER RESTRICTIONS. AND WE'RE THE ONES, THE CITY COUNCIL THROUGH OUR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLANS HAVE STAGES THAT HAVE BEEN ENACTED. BUT IT IS TIED TO THE WESTERN RESERVOIR LEVELS. WHEN NRA HELPED BUILD THE CHOKE CANYON DAM, THAT COMPROMISED THE NATURAL RIVER FLOW. AGAIN, THE NUECES RIVER. SO THAT AGREED ORDER SAYS THAT WE TRY TO MIMIC THE RIVER AS BEST WE CAN. YOU KNOW, THAT IT ALLOWED US TO BUILD THE DAM, THE CHOKE CANYON DAM. BUT IT'S 1980 SOMETHING, 1990? WHEN WAS IT APPROVED? 2001. IT'S BEEN 25 YEARS OR SO. IT BEARS REVIEW. WE'RE CAUTIOUS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE A WORSE -- MORE STRICT ON US, AND THAT COULD HAPPEN. TCEQ COULD SAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE GOING TO GO THE OTHER WAY. YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER, WHICH MAKES IT MORE STRICT. WE'RE NOT SURE SO WE'RE GOING TO HIRE A PROFESSIONAL THAT WILL GIVE US ADVICE AND WE'LL TALK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT THAT AS WELL. IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. IT'S PART OF WHAT WE INHERITED HERE IN THE COMMUNITY, NOT WE, THE CITY MANAGER, PER SE. BUT PART OF THE RUNNING THE BUSINESS, WE BUILT TWO DAMS THAT COMPROMISED THE FLOW OF THE RIVER, THE NATURAL FLOW OF THE RIVER. THAT WAS A COMPROMISE TO SAY YOU FOLLOW THESE CONDITIONS THEN TO TRY TO MIMIC SOME OF THAT NATURAL FLOW. ESSENTIALLY, IS WHAT IT IS. SO IT'S A CONTRACT BETWEEN US AND TCEQ. DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T REREVIEW IT. THAT'S THE COMMITMENT I MADE TO SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS, WITH THE FULL COUNCIL SUPPORT IS THAT WE'LL HIRE SOMEBODY TO ADVICE US HOW TO NAVIGATE THROUGH A REVIEW WITH POTENTIAL CHANGES. YEAH. >> Campos: IT HADN'T EVEN OCCURRED TO ME THAT THEY COULD GO THE OTHER WAY. I MEAN, WOW. AND WHAT ABOUT TO THE SUGGESTION THAT COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN SAID ABOUT GETTING ANOTHER -- I MEAN, ANOTHER RESERVOIR. I MEAN, WHAT'S THE POTENTIAL OF THAT? >> Zanoni: YEAH. >> [OFF MIC] >> Zanoni: YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS TALKING TO THE CITY LEADERS IN ROCKPORT LAST WEEK, THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN THERE FROM PORT ARTHUR, I THINK IT WAS. I ASKED HIM, BECAUSE THIS CONCEPT OF ANOTHER RESERVOIR CAME FROM EAST TEXAS WHERE THERE WAS AN EXXON PLANT SITED TO BE BUILT AND THEY NEEDED WATER. THE THOUGHT WAS THEY WOULD TRY TO BUILD ANOTHER RESERVOIR THERE. SO THAT SPARKED SOME COMMENTS FROM US HERE SAYING COULD WE BUILD ANOTHER RESERVOIR. I THINK NICK WILL TELL US IT'S PRETTY TIME INTENSIVE, REGULATORY INTENSIVE, EXPENSIVE. >> ABSOLUTELY. WATER RIGHTS ARE VERY DIFFICULT. THE WORK DONE FOR THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE WAS VERY SIGNIFICANT IN NEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT WITH THE LNRA, THE LAVACA NAVIDAD RIVER AUTHORITY. ALSO THE ORIGINAL GETTING THE WATER RIGHTS, EXCUSE ME, ON THE LOWER COLORADO RIVER. THEN THERE WAS AN INTERBASIN TRANSFER OF WATER THAT HAD TO OCCUR AS WELL. IT'S EXTREMELY -- AND THERE'S NOT MUCH WATER IN TEXAS. I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT. AND THERE'S JUST NOT AN INFLUX OUT THERE. >> Campos: WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE LAKE NAVIDAD HAS MORE. I MEAN, THEY'RE PRETTY FULL. I MEAN, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SMALL, THAT'S WHERE I WAS THINKING. >> THEY ARE SMALL. IT FILLS QUICK AND IT GOES DOWN QUICK AS WELL. AND, IN FACT, EARLIER THIS CALENDAR YEAR WE WERE VERY CONCERNED. WE WERE VERY CONCERNED WE WEREN'T GOING TO GET THE INTERRUPTIBLE WATER PORTION OF OUR CONTRACT. ACTUALLY, THEY OFFERED TO US LATER IN THE YEAR THAN EVER BEFORE. THAT WAS A DISTINCT POSSIBILITY SO AT THAT POINT WE WERE REALLY THANKFUL FOR THE FORMOSA CONTRACT. THEY'RE WATCHING THEIR WATER SUPPLY VERY, VERY CLOSELY. >> Campos: OKAY. >> AND WE'LL BE MEETING WITH --? >> Campos: OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANKS. >> Mayor Guarjardo: COUNCILMEMBE R ROY. >> Roy: I -- YOU KNOW, I THINK ABOUT RECENT CONVERSATIONS, AND YOU'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME HERE WITH US, AND I LOOK BACK ON WHE WE FIRST ENGAGED, AT LEAST WHAT I CAN REMEMBER, ONE OF THE THINGS -- AND, YOU KNOW, BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION LAST WEEK, ONE OF THE THINGS I HAD TO REMEMBER -- AND I WOULD LIKE YO TO SHARE BECAUSE I FORGET THIS, BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY -- YOUR CONVERSATION, IT'S A GOVERNMENT ENTITY; CORRECT. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> Roy: SO REALLY, IN TERMS OF HOW YOU OPERATE, YOU'RE NOT OUT THERE OPERATING FOR PROFIT; IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> Roy: I THINK THAT'S IMPO IMPORTANT. I THINK -- YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. I THINK PART OF THE D DISAPPOINTMENT I'VE HAD AND SOME OF THE OTHER KCOUNCILMEMBERs IF I COULD SPEAK ON THEIR BEHALF ON SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS WE'RE LOOKING AT, THAT WE WOULD GET A PRICE AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT PRICE, AND BEFORE THINGS CHANGED, THEN THE PRICE WENT UP AGAIN, AND THEN THE PRICE WENT UP AGAIN AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THE WASTE BECAUSE DURING THIS PROCESS WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, HOW DO YOU PAY FOR IT, WHAT ARE THE MECHANISMS YOU CAN PAY FOR IT, AND THEN AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KN KNOW, WE'RE SHORT. AND THAT'S A TERRIBLE FEELING BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, YOU'RE TRYING TO GO OUT THERE AND MAKE SURE WE CAN HAVE WATER TO BE ABLE TO SUPPLY FOR EVERYONE. AND THAT WAS TOUGH. AND BECAUSE AT ANY GIVEN TIME, THAT COMPANY THAT WAS GOING TO BUILD THAT FACILITY FOR US, THEY'RE FOR-PROFIT, THEY CAN CHANGE THEIR MIND, DO WHATEVER THEY WANT BECAUSE THEIR BUSINESS PLAN IS THAT THEY WANT TO MAXIMIZE THEIR PRO PROFIT. I THINK THAT'S PRETTY COMMON. SO I'VE ASKED YOU A LOT OF QUESTIONS, YOU'VE ANSWERED THEM, YOU'VE BEEN GREAT. I APPRECIATE THE -- YOU BEARING WITH ME, AND JUST TALKING. >> THANK YOU. >> Roy: I THINK -- I LOOK FORWARD -- I THINK IT IS A PARTNERSHIP. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN A PARTNERSHIP IN THE FUTURE. I THINK THIS -- THE STATE IS WATCHING US, WHETHER YOU -- EVERYONE IS WATCHING US BECAUSE THIS IS A -- WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES DEALING WITH THIS WATER CRISIS, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO GET BETTER. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT'S TAUGHT US, THOUGH, AND I REALLY -- I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, WE USED TO RELY A LOT ON SURFACE WATER. EVEN THOUGH WE DID A GREAT JOB AND CITY STAFF DID A GREAT JOB IN MA MAKING SURE WE HAD MULTIPLE SOURCES OF SURFACE WATER, BUT THAT WASN'T BULLETPROOF, WE WERE VULNERABLE, AND IT'S TAUGHT US TO REALLY NOT RELY ON THAT, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THAT HAS COME OUT OF THIS, AND I LOOK AT THIS COUNCIL, AND I LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED. THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES THIS COUNCIL DOES NOT SEEM IN SYNC, BUT WHEN I TAKE A LOOK AT THE ACHIEVEMENTS AND THE THINGS THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS ACHIEVED, SOME OF THE REALLY HARD THINGS THAT WE'VE TAKEN UNDER OUR BELT, I -- I'M PROUD OF THIS COUNCIL. AND, YOU KNOW, I LOOK FORWARD TO A PARTN PARTNERSHIP, AND THERE'S A -- I LIKE THE DIVERSITY, I LIKE THE FACT THAT THERE'S SOME DIVERSITY HERE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOUR -- THAT YOUR GROUP IS GOING TO BE LEADING THE HELM, AND WE'RE INVOLVED IN OTHER THINGS. I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE. I KNOW THAT CITY STAFF SPENDS AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING. YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE, AND EVERY TIME WE COME UP WITH A SUGGESTION, OH, I HEARD WE CAN DO THIS, I HEARD THAT IF WE -- YOU WHATEVER, THEN WE COULD GET SOME WATER, AND A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTS, YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE, AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THEM AND YOU'RE TRYING TO EVALUATE WHAT'S IMPORTANT, AND THAT'S A TOUGH THING TO DO, AND WE ASK A LOT OF CITY STAFF, AND THE CITY MANAGER, AND SO I AM GLAD THAT WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS AND PUTTING -- WE HAVE TO PUT OUR TRUST IN OTHER PEOPLE, I REALLY DO THINK THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY. SO, YOU KNOW, I LOOK FORWARD TO A LONG PARTNERSHIP, AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, I RAN ON THIS PLATFORM, BUT I WANT TO REMEMBER IT SOMETIMES, BUT YOU'VE JUST GOT TO LISTEN, YOU KNOW, STOP TALKING AND LISTEN. SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> Mayor Guarjardo: COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU KNOW, THERE'S QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. YOU KNOW, DOES A P3 TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE D DISCHARGE AND INTAKE, OR IS THAT DONE SEPARATELY. >> THE DISCHARGE AND I INTAKE IS PART OF THE TREATMENT PLAN PROJECT. >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE P3. OKAY. THE CONVEYANCE. I MEAN, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A CONSTI CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE VOTED ON HERE TO ACTUALLY -- IF YOU HAVEN'T EARLY VOTED, I SUGGEST YOU EARLY VOTE, BUT THERE'S $1 BILLION THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ASSIGNED TO OR BE VOTED ON DURING THIS ELECTION. I'M ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO PASS, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW. THE -- YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN AGGRESSIVE TIMELINE, I GUESS, THE -- YOU HAD SAID 2029, HOWEVER THERE'S SOME LEEWAY THERE TO '31; IS THAT CORRECT? >> SO WHAT -- WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT THE NRA HAS STATED THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE WATER IN DECEMBER OF 2029, HOWEVER -- AND I CAN LET JOHN ELABORATE ON THIS, THEIR LEAST AGREEMENT FOR THE PORT REQUIRES THEM TO PRODUCE WATER, AND, JOHN, I'LL LET YOU JUST -- YOUR LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE PORT, WHAT'S THE DATE YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE WATER BY? >> I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATE, BUT IT IS FURTHER OUT THAN THE 2029, BUT, YOU KNOW WHAT'S RIDING THE VO VOTE -- >> Mayor Guarjardo: CAN YOU SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE. THANK YOU. >> WHAT'S DRIVING THE VOTE HERE IS PEOPLE NEED WATER -- YOU KNOW, THE TEXAS MIRACLE IS GOING TO COME TO A HALT, JUST LIKE WE'RE SITTING HERE DISCUSSING TONIGHT IF THEY DON'T GET WATER. SO WE'VE GOT TO ACT EXPEDIENTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THE WATER SUPPLY TO THOSE PEOPLE, NOT ONLY IN THE COASTAL BIN, BUT UP FURTHER INTO THE BAY. >> Hernandez: HOPEFULLY DOWN TO AROUND 3 BILLION INSTEAD OF 5 BILLION. BUT THE -- YOU KNOW, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT CPI VERSUS COST OF SERVICE, WE NORMALLY DO CCOST OF SERVICE VERSUS CPI BASED ON WHAT THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX IS. I DON'T KNOW THAT'S -- I DON'T KNOW -- YOU HAVEN'T SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH A P3 PARTNER YET, SO YOU MAY STILL HAVE SOME OPTIONS THERE. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT IT -- YOU TO BE A PART OF THIS, YOU KNOW. I DON'T -- I'M NOT SURE THIS IS SUCCESSFUL WITHOUT US BEING THERE BECAUSE TO BUILT THAT CONVEYANCE, IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME, AND IF YOU HAVE A CUSTOMER THAT'S CLOSER BY, YOU CAN MAKE REVENUE WHY YOU'RE BU BUILDING OUT YOUR CONVEYANCE SYSTEM, AND I'M HOPING THE STATE PARTICIPATES AGGRE AGGRESSIVELY TO MAKE SURE WATER GETS SENT UP FURTHER INTO THE INTERIOR PART OF TEXAS. YOU KNOW, AND I GUESS THERE IS A QUESTION HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RESERVING -- WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON RESERVING 350 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, BUT IF ANOTHER CITY WANTS TO RESERVE AT SOME TIME, CAN YOU CONVEY THAT TO THE CITY UP NORTH, IF NEED BE? >> WELL, I MEAN, CONVEYANCE HAS TO COME THROUGH THE NRA, ANY SWAP LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE NRA, AND TH THAT'S A POLICY DECISION THAT THE CONTRACT WASN'T WRITTEN THAT WAY. BUT IF YOU WERE TO POSE THAT, THEN I WOULD TAKE THAT DECISION BACK TO MY 21-MEMBER BOARD -- OUR 21-MEMBER BOARD, AND THEY WOULD MAKE THAT DECISION. >> Hernandez: RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER CITIES HERE LOCALLY, LIKE LET'S SAY PORTLAND THAT'S ALSO LOOKING TO RESERVE WATER THAT'S NOT TECHNICALLY ONE OF OUR CUSTOMERS, THEY'RE A CUSTOMER OF OUR CUSTOMER. YOU KNOW, THERE'S VARIOUS THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN, AND I JUST -- YOU THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME FLEXIBILITY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. I'M JUST -- YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS, AND I'M STILL A LITTLE PER TISSUED THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THIS BECAUSE THE MOU WITH THE PORT FAILED ON OUR PART, BUT, YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE. SO -- AND I GUESS WE COULD HAVE THIS DISCUSSION OFFLINE, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE SOME MORE DETAILS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. >> I WOULD BE GLAD TO PROVIDE YOU WITH DET DETAILS, JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'RE PUSHING THE PROJECT FORWARD, FORWARD, FORWARD, I'VE HIRED A DEPUTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR TO HELP ME PUSH IT FORWARD. SO IT'S FULL STEAM AHEAD BUT WHEN I GET TIME I'D BE GLAD TO COME DOWN AND TALK WITH YOU. >> Hernandez: OKAY. LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE A LOT OF HUGE THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND THE ONE MOST CONCERNING IS THE CONVEYANCE. BUT -- OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guarjardo: OKAY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO AD ADD -- I AGREE ON THE CONVEYANCE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US AS WE PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ENGINEERING I INPUT INTO THEIR CONVEYANCE LINE SO THE CITY PORTION OF THAT PROJECT IS DONE IN THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND COST-EFFICIENT WAY, SO THAT'S ONE KEY ADVANTAGE TO THE PROJECT. >> Mayor Guarjardo: OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE ON. I'M GOING TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENT. MR. BYRON, IF YOU WILL, I MEAN, I RECALL YOU TELLING US -- I THINK IT WAS MYSELF AND THE CITY MANAGER, THAT IT WAS 2031 THAT YOU WERE LO LOOKING TO COME ONLINE. I'M SURE THAT DATE HAS CHANGED, AS YOU HAVE MOVED FORWARD. THE -- THIS PROJECT, BUT I -- NOTHING HAS CHANGED FROM LAST WEEK, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO -- I THINK YOU'RE DOING A GOOD THING, I THINK THE INTENT IS WELL, BUT THERE IS NOT INFOR INFORMATION, AND MULTIPLE COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE SAID THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION, BUT WE'LL GO AT IT, BUT IT'S $2.7 MILLION, AND IN MY OPINION, NOT HAVING THE TIMELINE OR THE BUSINESS PLAN, THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING, IS THE BUSINESS PLAN ON A 5-$6 BILLION PROJECT OR NOT REALLY KNOWING WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF A CUSTOMER FALLS OFF, I DIDN'T HEAR A CONCRETE ANSWER FROM YOU, AND I THINK YA'LL ARE STILL WORKING THAT OUT, AND THAT'S OKAY. >> THE STANDBY RESERVATION WILL KICK IN AT THAT POINT IN TIME, MAYOR. >> Mayor Guarjardo: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BUT I THINK -- YES, IT'S GOOD TO TRUST IN PEOPLE, AND WE'RE HAVING TO DO THAT, AND WE'RE DIVERSIFYING AND STAFF IS WORKING EXTREMELY HARD TO DO THAT, BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING CONCRETE, AND I DON'T SEE THAT CHANGE FROM LAST WEEK. I THINK IT'S THE EXACT SAME THING TODAY THAT IT WAS LAST WEEK. SO THIS ISN'T ABOUT BEING AGAINST THE PROJECT AT ALL, IT'S MORE ABOUT EXPECTING THE SAME LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY THAT WE DEMAND FROM OTHER MAJOR PROJECTS THAT WE PUT THROUGH ON THIS VERY D DIAS, AND THAT'S MY STANCE ONLY, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT, AND I'M GLAD YOU DO, I THINK THE 2031 -- WHE THAT, MYSELF AND THE CITY MANAGER, I THINK THAT WAS MORE REALISTIC THAN 2029, THAT'S WHAT I THINK. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT THAT'S WHAT I THINK. AND THAT WAS FROM YOU -- YOU KNOW, THAT WAS FROM YOU. 2031 IS NOT A -- IS NOT A WATER PROJECT THAT WE'RE -- THAT'S GOING TO HELP US TODAY, AND THAT'S OKAY. WE STILL NEED TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE OUR EYE ON THE BALL, BUT I REALLY WISH THAT THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A BUSINESS PLAN, MORE CONCRETE INFORMATION FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, I CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH $2.7 MILLION KNOWING SUCH -- JUST WE HAVE VERY LITTLE TO GO ON, BUT I'M JUST -- I'M ADDRESSING YOU BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. WE TAKE THOSE HEART. >> Mayor Guarjardo: COUNCILMEMBE R VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: I AGREE WITH YOU ON ONE THING -- I KNOW, I KNOW, DON'T FALL OVER. BARNY DAVIS, YOU'VE MET WITH HIM, MULTIPLE MEMBERS HAVE MET. SO I HOPE YOU BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL. >> Barrera: WE PLAN TO DO THAT. >> Mayor Guarjardo: IT'LL BE ON NOVEMBER 11. >> Vaughn: OKAY. GOOD TO KNOW. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT -- AND I GET IT. YOU DON'T SEE A BUSINESS PLAN. I SEE A BUSINESS PLAN. THERE WAS NO BUSINESS PLAN FOR INTERHARBOR, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO WITH $7 MILLION SHORT FALL, AND MAYBE I MISSED IT, YOU BROUGHT IT FORWARD, I NEVER SAW THAT, BUT SOME OF THE COUNCIL PEOPLE WERE WILLING TO GO ALONG WITH THAT AND PASS IT ON TO CUSTOMERS, I MEAN RIGHT PAIR, WE WEREN'T WILLING TO DO THAT, AND THAT WAS A LOT DIFFERENT, A LOT LESS RIGHT NOW. SO I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. I FEEL COMFORTABLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ALL Is DOTTED AND Ts CROSSED YOU'VE SHOWN SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS IN THE PAST, ESPECIALLY WITH MARY ROADS POPE POPELINE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD SAY NO, THEY LOOK FORWARD, AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A VISION TO LOOK FORWARD AS WELL. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guarjardo: MR. BYRON, YOU MENTIONED LAST TIME THAT YOU'RE HOPING TO GET FUNDING FROM THE STATE. >> YES. >> Mayor Guarjardo: OKAY. SO THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE DESALINATION PROJECT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT BECAUSE WE WERE ALSO HOPING TO GE GET -- WE WERE ALSO HO HOPING TO GET FUNDING ON THE STATE AS WELL. SO SAME KIND OF THING, BUT I GET YOUR POINT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, EVERYBODY PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. >> PUBLIC COMMENT, MA MAYOR. >> Mayor Guarjardo: THANK YOU, REBECCA, COME ON DOWN, AND WE'L OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 23. >> MICHAEL MILLER, DISTRICT 2. I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL, FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE I'M FINALLY S SEEING UNITY. I KNOW IT DOESN'T SEE LIKE IT AMONGST YA'LL, BUT TODAY WE HAVE SOLVED OUR SHORT-TERM NEEDS, WE'VE SOLVED OUR MIDTERM NEEDS, AND IN MY OPI OPINION, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE -- TO SOLVE OUR LONG-TERM NEEDS, AND I KNOW EVERYTHING SEEMS A LITTLE SHAKY RIGHT NOW WITH THE DETAILS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'VE SHARED SOME IDEAS WITH MR. BYRON ON HOW WE COULD QUARREL SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS, MAYOR, AND COUNCILMEMBER BARRERA. THE FIRST OPTION I GAVE HIM, MAKE IT REFUNDABLE, COULDN'T DO THAT. SECOND OPTION I GAVE H HIM, MAKE IT TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S N NONREFUNDABLE, THEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BACK OUT BEFORE SHOVELS GO UNDER THE DIRT. THAT WASN'T ACCEPTABLE EITHER, AND I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE NOT ACCEPTABLE, AND I WAS ACCUSED BY ELOY HE SAID YOU'RE POO POOING ON THE DEAL. NO, I'M NOT, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT CREATIVE WAYS TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS; RIGHT? AND THE THIRD OPTION THAT I GAVE WAS -- AND THIS IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR UNITY, IS IF WE ALL CAME TOGETHER AND WENT TO THE CAPITOL, AND WE HAD A TALK WITH THE GOVERNOR TOGETHER AND WE PUT A BUG IN HIS EAR BECAUSE HE'S GOT COMPETITION IN THE STATE -- OR IN THE UNITED STATES. HE'S A VERY PROUD HOLDER 14 YEARS STRAIT OF THE GOVERNOR'S CUP; RIGHT? AND IF YOU TELL THE GOVERNOR, YOU KNOW, RON DeSANTIS, A FRIENDLY COMPETITOR OVER THERE TO THE EAST HAS A 24 MILLION-GALLON PER DAY PLANT, AND GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOME HAS A 50 MILLION-GALLON PER DAY PLANT, AND YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE IN 100 MILLION-GALLON ENGAGE PLANT WITH THE EXPANSION UP TO 450 MILLION-GALLON PL PLANT, WE HAVE A PROUD GOVERNOR, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HE WOULD JUMP ALL OVER, BUT WE NEED UNITY, AND IF -- AND THE OTHER PART OF THIS THING IS I'M A GENERAL CONTRACTOR, AND I DON'T BUILD ANYTHING. I MANAGE RISK, AND ONE OF MY BIGGEST IS ISSUES SINCE THE GET-GO WITH THE INNER HARBOR WAS NOT ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS, BUT JUST THE C CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI IS THE ONES TAKING ALL THE RI RISK. AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT AN $11 INCREASE OR $15 INCREASE UNTIL WE'RE BLUE IN THE FACE, BUT THE CITIZENS OF CORPUS CHRISTI ARE TAKING ON ALL THE RISK, AND SHOULD SOMETHING GO WRONG, THE PLANT NOT PERFORM, ONLY PRODUCE 10 MI 10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY VERSUS 30, ALL OF THAT COSTS GETS EATEN BY OUR CITIZENS, NOT THE CUSTOMERS, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THAT RISK WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, WITH OTHER CITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE, AND WITH A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE OF TEXAS BEHIND IT. SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. I KNOW EVERYTHING ISN'T ALL IRONED OUT, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTHY OF $2.7 MILLION. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guarjardo: THANK YOU. >> HI, COUNCILMEMBERs, JASON HALE, CORPUS CHRISTI. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT. I THINK YOU CAN REALLY HELP OUT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES IN NEED THROUGHOUT TEXAS. I'M CONSIDERED -- I HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT THIS MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT FIT FOR CORPUS, AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS. SO THE FIRST ONE IS DO WE REALLY NEED 50 MILLION GALLONS A D DAY, THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE THERE'S A CLAUSE IN THE CONTRACT THAT S SAYS WE CAN INCREASE HOW MUCH WATER WE GET FROM THE OWE WAY SIS RIVER AUTHORITY, BUT WE MAY NOT DECREASE THE AMOUNT THAT WE SIGN UP FOR UNLESS EVERYONE AGREES FOR IT, SO THE POINT BEING, IF WE SIGN UP FOR TOO MUCH WATER, WE MAY END UP WITH TOO MUCH WATER. AND SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO SIGN UP FOR THE AMOUNT THAT WE NEED. BASED ON PROJECTED NE NEEDS, AND SO THAT GETS TO MY SECOND POINT, WHICH IS WHAT ARE OUR PROJECTED NEEDS? I GUESS IT WOULD BE FOR LIKE, YOU KNOW, 10 TO 20 YEARS OUT BASED ON GROWTH AND BASED ON THE SUPPLIES THAT WE HAVE -- THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW, THAT WOULD PUT US AT 138 MI 138 MILLION GALLONS A DAY AFTER THE DROUGHT. AND IF YOU DO, LIKE, A 1% PROJECTION OF ALL TOTAL DEMANDS, THAT WORKS OUT TO ABOUT 134 MILLION GALLONS A DAY IN 2035. AND THAT ALSO INCLUDES, LIKE, YOU KNOW, PEAK D DAYS AND LOWER THAN AVERAGE DAYS. THE AVERAGE DAILY DEMAND IS A PRETTY GOOD INDICATION OF THAT. AND SO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR KIND OF SEEING WHERE THE WATER IS GOING TO GO FOR EACH CUSTOMER, WHETHER IT'S, LIKE, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL OR LARGE VOLUME, YOU KNOW IS ALL 50 MILLION GALLONS GOING TO GO TO MUNICIPAL NEEDS BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH TO MORE THAN DOUBLE CORPUS, SO IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO GO TO LARGE VOLUME OR WHOLESALE, AND I THINK WE SHOULD KNOW THAT BEFORE KIND OF, LIKE, MOVING FORWARD ON THIS, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING. AND THEN WE DON'T KNOW THE IMPACT TO WATER RATES. SO RIGHT NOW THE ANNUAL EXPENSES FOR CCW IS $150 MILLION A YEAR, ON THE LOW END. THIS 50 MILLION GALLONS A DAY WOULD DOUBLE CC CCWs ANNUAL EXPENSES ON THE HIGH END, IT WOULD TRIPLE IT. SO I THINK WE DESERVE TO KNOW WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE GOING TO BE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. WHEN INNER HARBOR GOT VOTED DOWN EARLIER THIS YEAR, I THOUGHT WE SOLVED A PROBLEM BY MOVING FORWARD WITH E ADVANTAGE LEAN, YA'LL WANTED 30 MILLI 30 MILLION GALLONS A D DAY, WE GOT IT, PLUS MORE WITH MORE USE AT A LOWER PRICE THAN INNER HARBOR, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THE GOAL POST KEEPS MOVING, AND I WOULD LIKE AN EXPLANATION AS TO O WHY THAT KEEPS HAPP HAPPENING. THANKS. >> Mayor Guarjardo: THANK YOU, MR. HALE. >> ERIC VAUGHN. DISTRICT 2. I LIKE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE FORWARD WITH THIS. I GOT HERE LATE. I UNDERSTAND YOU HAD TO DO WORK. I HAD TO WORK TODAY, BUT WHAT I SEE YOU DOING NOW IS THE HARD WORK WE NEED TO EXCEL RATE. EXTREMISM AND PURSUIT OF WATER IS NO VICE, AND WE NEED TO BE AS QUICK AS WE CAN AND THOROUGH AS WE CAN, AND THAT MEANS, DON'T HOLD BACK. I SAW A LOT OF CRITICISM OVER 1.2 BILLION. 2.7 MILLION, LET'S NOT LIKE SO MUCH THAT WE'RE DOING A BACKSTROKE BEFORE WE START ASKING HARD QUESTIONS, AND I ALSO WANT TO HEAR A CLEAR AND CONCISE ANSWER THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM NRA, WHICH IS ARE YOU GOING TO GUARANTEE US YOU WILL NOT SELL WATER AROUND US TO OUR CUSTOMERS, I NEED TO HEAR THAT CLEAR AND CONCISE BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO COMMIT TO 50 MILLION GALLONS A D DAY, WHICH I'M NOT POSED TO, I WANT SOME PROM PROMISES, I WANT TO SEE SOME AGGRESSIVE SALE SALESMANSHIP IN WHICH WE'RE HAVING CLEAR AND CONCISE ANSWERS AND NOT DANCING AROUND THE IS ISSUE. IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE TO ASK ARE YOU GOING TO SELL TO ANYBODY, I DON'T CARE IF THEY APPROACH YOU, YOU NOT APPROACHING THEM THAT'S GOOD. BUT NOT CUTTING US OUT OF THE LOOP THAT'S LIKE A WHOLE SELLER TELL ZILLIONING TO MY RES RESELLERS AND CUTTING ME OUT OF THE LOOP. WE ARE THE ONES THAT SELL TO OUR CUSTOMERS AND NOT YOU. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I'M GOING TO SAY THIS, IN THE END I THINK WE'LL SEE INNER HARBOR AS WELL AS WHAT WE CAN GET FROM THE NRA AND CAN WE SELL THEM BACK SHOW CANYON BECAUSE THAT HAS PROVEN TO BE A DRY HOLE, AND THAT SHOULD ALSO PROMPT US TO ASK HARDER QUESTION BECAUSE CHOKE CANYON, WE ARE CHOKING ON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Guarjardo: MR. BYRON, TO CLARIFY THAT, WOULD YOU, PLEASE, THE QUESTION ABOUT SE SELLING WATER TO . >> I THINK I'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT, MAYOR. I DON'T THINK I NEED TO EXPLAIN ANYMORE. I'VE BEEN VERY, VERY OPEN FROM DAY 1 WITH THAT. >> Mayor Guarjardo: YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SELL ANY WATER THEM. >> I'M NOT POINTING IT UP TO THEM, BUT EVERYWHERE WE GO, THEY TELL US THEY NEED WATER, AND WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, WE SERVE EVERYBODY IN THE BASIN, MA'AM, AND IN FACT, WE AREN'T ABLE TO SERVE EVERYBODY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND IF THEY ASK US, WE'LL DISCUSS IT WITH THEM. MAY SO THE ANSWER IS POSSIBLY. >> THE ANSWER I'VE BEEN CLEAR ABOUT, AND THAT HAS NOT CHANGED. >> Mayor Guarjardo: WHAT IS T THAT. >> I'VE TOLD YOU I HAVE NOT WANTED TO SELL WATER IN THE COASTAL BIN. I'VE TOLD YOU THAT MORE THAN ONCE. >> Mayor Guarjardo: YOU DON'T WANT TO. >> YEAH. >> Mayor Guarjardo: LISTEN I'M NOT SUPPORTING THIS, BUT MY COLLEAGUES ARE, AND THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, AND PETER, IN LEGAL, AND THIS COULD BE FOR LATER, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S YOUR CALL, BUT I'M JUST ADDRESSING WHAT THE GENERALELMA AT PUBLIC COMMENT JUST ASKED, AND SO THE ANSWER HAS NOT BE NO IT'S I DON'T WANT TO, SO I JU JUST -- I HOPE YA'LL ARE TAKING NOTE OF THAT FOR IF AND WHEN THAT MATTERS, BECAUSE IT MAT MATTERS, IT WOULD MATTER IF I WAS VOTING FOR IT. THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCILMEMBER PACKS SON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU. I THINK THAT PERHAPS IT SEEMS LIKE WE WERE ADDRESSING PUBLIC COMMENT -- I THINK IT MAY BE MORE IN ORDER IF WE HEAR QUESTIONS AND THEN FORMULATE OUR OWN QUESTIONS BASED ON THOSE SO THAT WE'RE NOT DIRECTLY ANSWERING PUBLIC COMMENT. I THINK THAT'S MORE IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR DECORUM, BUT I DO THINK THAT MR. BY RON HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT HE'S HERE TODAY WAITING ON CORPUS CHRISTI TO TAKE LEADERSHIP ON THE PROJECT HE'S WE'VE ASKED HIM TO BRING TO US, AND THEN PETER HAS SAID FROM THERE, WE WILL WORK TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT CORPUS' INTERESTS ARE PROTECTED IN THE NATURE OF OUR CUSTOMER SALES, IF WE HAVE THE WATER FOR THEM TO PURCHASE AND THEY CAN PROVIDE IT, THEN THEY HAVE NO INCENTIVE TO LEAVE BECAUSE WE CAN BLEND THOSE RATES. SO I DO BELIEVE THAT MR. BYRON THAT QUESTION. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guarjardo: AND FOR THE RECORD, I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION. I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION. YOU BROUGHT IT UP, BUT I WAS ASKING MYSELF. SO -- AND THANK YOU, MR. BYRON. MR. HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: YES. THE QUESTION I HAD WAS SPECIFICALLY ON -- AND I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS, BUT I DID MENTION IT TO THE CITY MANAGER WAS ON THE RESERVATION FEE THAT WE COULD GET CREDIT ON IT, ON OUR WATER PURCHASES OVER TIME. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, ALL AT ONCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S HOW WE -- THAT'S HOW I'D SEEN RESERVATION FEES IN THE PAST, AND THAT'S FINE. WE CAN WORK OUT THE DETAILS AND NEGOTIATION, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT OUT THERE. >> THAT'S GOOD, COUNCILMAN. >> Hernandez: THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION WAS THAT HONESTLY I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE THAT THE SELL TO SOME OF OUR CUSTOMERS -- AND I DON'T THINK THEY'D GO FOR THAT BECAUSE WE CAN BLEND WITH OTHER WATER SOURCES, THEY WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE ABLE TO DO THAT. I'M HARD PRESSED TO IMAGINE WHY A SMALL CITY WOULD WANT TO HAVE THAT HIGH A COST OF WATER THAT IS NOT BLENDED WITH OTHER SOURCES TO REDUCE IT, YOU KNOW, OR SOCIALIZE THE COST, EXCUSE ME, OR A BLENDED RATE. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. SO IT -- YOU KNOW, BUT IF THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE ON THAT ADDITIONAL COST AND FREE UP WATER FOR US, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT'S AN ENTIRELY BAD THING, BUT I JUST DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING BECAUSE BY US TAKING THAT WATER, WE BLEND IT WITH OTHER WATER SOURCES, AND IT MAKES IT LESS EXPENSIVE. SO I JUST DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING REALIS REALISTICALLY. SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THAT MR. V MR. VAUGHN-WADE HAD PRESENTED, BUT THE REALITY OF IT, IT WOULD JUST BE TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO TAKE ON DIRECTLY. SO THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guarjardo: COUNCILMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: I THINK THE MAYOR'S QUESTION IS LEGITIMATE. I UNDERSTOOD IT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IT'S A QUESTION I ASK BECAUSE WHENEVER SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING, I TAKE THEM AT THEIR WORD, AND THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, YOU WOULD NOT SELL TO OUR CUSTOMERS. I REMEMBER THAT FROM THE BEGINNING. TO ME, THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT, THEY'RE GOING TO APPROACH YOU. MR. ZIONI, YOU'RE GOING TO BE THE ONE DEALING WITH ALL OF THIS, HOW ARE YOU TAKING ALL OF THIS. >> THAT'S RIGHT. SO JOHN BYRON AND I HAVE A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP AND THE DEPUTY CHIEF HE JUST HIRED I KNOW HIM AS WELL FROM A PRIOR WORK EXPERIENCE, SO WE HAVE AGREED TO COLLABORATE WITH EACH OTHER, AND IT'S GOING TO BE -- IT'S GOING TO BE COLLABORATION COMMUNICATION, CONS CONSENSUS BUILDING, HE'S NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITHOUT OUR INPUT, AND THAT'S WHY THE RESERVATION FEE IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE IT SEALS THE COMMITMENT WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER, THE BUSINESS WE SAID IS NOT QUITE -- THE BUSINESS PLAN IS NOT QUITE DEVELOPED SO IT GIVES US OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH EACH OTHER AND CHANGING CONDITIONS. >> Vaughn: OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THOUGH, IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SELL TO OTHER CUSTOMERS. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE AN OVERABUNDANCE OF WATER WE CAN'T SELL. >> YEAH THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, AND THERE'S A CHANGE HE'LL TALK TO US ABOUT IT. AND WE MAY TALK TO COUNCIL, AND HE'LL TALK TO HIS BOARD. BUT RIGHT NOW, WHAT HE TOLD US TONIGHT IS WHAT HE'S TOLD ME IN PRIVATE MEETINGS, AND MEETINGS THAT I'VE HAD WITH HIM MYSELF. SO YEAH. YES MA'AM. >> Mayor Guarjardo: OKAY. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE A -- WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. >> AND MAYOR I JUST WANT TO -- I KNOW IT'S G GETTING LATE, BUT I DID WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE NRA BOARD PRESIDENT HERE WITH US, ERIC BURNETT, HE'S BEEN WITH US ALL DAY. AND WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE MAYOR BEFORE, THANK YOU FOR BEING HE HERE. HE'S THE PRESIDENT FOR THE BOARD AUTHORITY. >> Mayor Guarjardo: OKAY. THANK YOU. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. OKAY. MOTION CARRIES. OUR NEXT ITEM IS A RESOLUTION CASTING VOTES FOR CANDIDATES FOR THE KNEW WAY SEIZE COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS. >> OKAY. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. REBECCA WORK. CITY SECRETARY. SO THEY NOMINATED DEVIN VODKA A CANDIDATES ON THE APPRAISAL BOARD OF DIRECTORS. SO NCAD DELIVERED THE BALLOT ON OCTOBER 9, AND IT INC INCLUDED ALL THE CANDIDATES NOMINATESSED BY THE TEXAS ENTITIES, AND TODAY THE COUNCIL WILL DETERMINE HOW TO ALLOCATE THE CITY'S 436 VOTE ENTITLEMENT AMONG THE CANDIDATES, AND THERE ARE TWO CANDIDATES ON THE BAL BALLOT, AND AS LUCK WOULD HAVE IT, IT'S DEVIN BADKA AND -- AND THEY MAY ALLOCATE VOTES TO ONE OR BOTH ON THE BALLOT, AND ONCE THEY RECEIVE RESOLUTIONS FROM ALL ENTITIES, THEY'LL DO THAT BY NOVEMBER 24, THEY'LL TABULATE THE VOTES AND THEN TOP FIVE VOTE GETTERS -- I'M SORRY. TOP TWO VOTE GETTERS WILL BECOME DIRECTORS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO TODAY IS DETERMINE THAT ALLOCATION BETWEEN THOSE, 1 OR BOTH OF THE CANDIDATES. AND THERE'S A RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE NAMES THERE, SO WHAT WE'RE NEEDING TO KNOW IS HOW YOU WANT TO ALLOCATE THOSE VO VOTES. >> SO YOU'RE SAYING OUT OF THE 436 VOTES, WE HAVE TO SPLIT THEM. >> YOU CAN SPLIT THEM, GIVE THEM ALL TO ONE. >> ONE BUT NOT THE OTHER. YEAH. SO HALF IS 218. YOU COULD GIVE 218 TO BOTH OR . >> SO BOTH ARE GOING TO REPRESENT. YOU COULD GIVE THEM TO BOTH. IT'S NOT IF WE GIVE 436 TO ONE OR 220 TO ONE AND THE LESS -- IT DOESN'T PUSH ONE OFF, THEY'RE BOTH . >> THEY'RE BOTH ON THE BALLOT. >> THEY'RE BOTH ON THE BALLOT. SO IT'S JUST TO SEE -- BUT ONLY THE TOP -- SO THEY'RE THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE ON THE BALLOT. >> AND SO IF I REMEMBER FROM DOING THIS BEFORE -- AND I'M JUST MAYBE CLARIFYING THAT FOR SOME OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS, IF YOU GIVE MORE VOTES TO ONE, THEN THAT GIVES THEM A STRONGER POSITION IN TERMS OF REPRESENTING US; CORRECT. >> IT GIVES THEM, I GUESS, A HIGHER PERCENTAGE TO BE PLACED ON THE BALLOT. >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. >> AND YOU KNOW IT'S ALMOST LIKE -- YOU KNOW HOW YOU PUT YOUR TICKET IN AN ITEM YOU WANT TO ASSIGN AN AUCTION IF YOU'VE GOT ONE YOU WANT THE PURSE OR WHATEVER. >> YES. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YES SIR. >> Roy: OKAY. I GOT IT. >> SO DOES THE COUNCIL HAVE -- DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON -- OR A DECISION HOW YOU WANT TO ALLOCATE THOSE VOTES -- WHOOPS. EXCUSE ME. HALF AND HALF ALL. >> SO, COUNCIL CAN BRING FORTH WHAT NUMBER, LIKE NUMBERS BETWEEN -- HALF AND HALF. >> YES, MA'AM, SO YOU WANT TO DO 218, ONE FOR EACH? OKAY. SO THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE BLANKS THERE RIGHT NOW, SO WE WILL INCLUDE 218 FOR DEVIN BHAKTA AND 218 FOR GAB BGABRIEL HILPOLD. >> DO YOU NEED A MOTION. >> YES, SIR, PLEASE. >> SORRY. I MOVE THAT WE ALLOCATE 218 VOTES TO DEVIN BH BHAKTA AND 218 VOTES TO GABRIELE HILPOLD. [ CHORUS OF SECONDS ]. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. >> Mayor Guarjardo: OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER 25 IS RESOLUTION APPROVING THE SKATE PART, CHERYL, FOR BILLISH PARK CIP TAX INCREMENT REINVESINVESTMENT ZONE NO, MA'AM 2 IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $850,000. >> GO TO APPROVE. >> Mayor Guarjardo: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND AFTER I'M FINISHED SP SPEAKING, START THE VIDEO. YES. THANK YOU. DISTRICT 4 THANK YOU FOR HAVING US ON THE AGENDA TODAY. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL, CITY, MAYOR, CITY MANAGER, I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE WENT AND STAFF. IN APRIL 2024 A GROUP OF ADVOCATES SENT A SURVEY OUT TO THE COMMUNITY VIA CHANGE.ORG AND WE RECEIVED ALMOST ONE THOUSAND SIGNATURES. WITH THE HELP OF CITY AND COUNTY LEADERSHIP AND PARKS AND RECK COMMITTEE MEMBERS, F FUNDING WAS IDENTIFIED AND RECOMMENDED TO THE SKATE PARK THROUGH PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT YET SHOVEL REDDEDLY, IN ADDITION TO FEMA FUNDS THAT WILL BE PUT BACK TO THE BUDGET. THE [ INDISCERNIBLE ] COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY, BUT THEY DID WANT TO CONNECT TO YOU VIA THIS VIDEO IF YOU COULD TAKE A COUPLE MINUTES AND WATCH. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS COLE. I'M 14. I THINK WE NEED A SKATE PARK BECAUSE ALL OF THIS LAND RIGHT HERE IS FILLED WITH STICKS, CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT, AND I THINK THAT KIDS -- LITTLE KIDS HAVE PLAYGROUNDS, AND WE NEED SOMETHING FOR US TO PLAY ON. >> MY NAME IS MICHAEL, I LIVE ON THE ISLAND, AND I THINK WE SHOULD GET A SKATE PARK BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL OF THIS NICE LAND BEHIND US THAT'S NOT BEING USED FOR ANYTHING, AND THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RIDE WITHOUT THE FEAR OF GETTING HIT BY A C CAR. >> MY NAME IS LIEU SEAL CRAFT, I'M 9 YEARS OLD, AND IF WE HAVE A SKATE PARK OVER HERE WE DON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL THAT FAR TO GO TO PORT A, AND WE CAN PRACTICE IF THERE'S JELLYFISH IN THE WATER. >> HELLO CITY COUNCIL COUNCILMEMBERS, MY NAME IS ASHER, I'M 15 HERE ON THE ISLAND. A SKATE PARK WOULD BE GREAT, ALL AGES FROM YOUNG TO OLD, AND IT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR KIDS TO BE OFF THE ROAD AND A SAFE PLACE FOR THEM TO PRACTICE TRICKS AND GET BETTER. Q. HELLO CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS BLAKE WILSON, I LIVE ON THE ISLAND, AND THE CLOSEST SKATE PARK IS AROUND 25 MINUTES AWAY IN PORT A, AND I THINK WE SHOUL HAVE ONE CLOSER SO WE CAN BIKE TO IT OUT OVER HERE, WE HAVE TH PERFECT LANDSCAPING FOR IT, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE AMAZING IF WE HAD ONE SO NO ONE WOULD BE - HAVE TO DRIVE OUT THERE TO PORT A. MY THAT I MEAN IS LILY. I'M 8 AND LIVE ON THE ISL ISLAND. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A SKATE PARK BECAUSE IT'S NOT ONLY SKATING IT'S SCOOTERS AND BIKES AND I DO ALL TH THREE. >> HELLO I'M 13 AND I LIVE ON THE ISLAND, WE SHOULD HAVE A SKATE PARK ON THE ISLAND BECAUSE EVERYONE IS POSTING ON FACEBOOK AND WE'RE ALL GETTING ON TROUBLE FOR RIDING IN THE STREETS, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A SKATE PARK. >> MY NAME IS LILA, I'M 10 YEARS OLD, A BMX RACER, AND I WANT THERE TO BE A SKATE PARK HERE BECAUSE I THINK THAT BIKES CAN RIDE AT SKATE PARKS TOO. >> HELLO CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS DAZEY, AND I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A SKATE PARK HERE BECAUSE [ INDIS [ INDISCERNIBLE ] AND HAVE TO SPEND A BUNCH OF TIME GOING ALL THE WAY TO PORT A. >> MY NAME IS DILLON, AND I WOULD LIKE A SKATE PARK BACK THERE BECAUSE A LOT OF DAYS I'M KIND OF BOARD AND THERE'S NOBODY TO HANG OUT WITH. SO IF THERE'S A SKATE PARK. THAT'LL BE A HANG OUT MEE MEETUP. >> THANK YOU FOR WATCHING THAT VIDEO. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK LAURIE TO HELP ME WITH THAT BECAUSE WE PUT THAT TOGETHER LAST WEEK. AGAIN, WE NEED A SAFE PLACE FOR THIS AGE GROUP, DEMOGRAPHIC OUT THERE, AND YOU'VE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THIS SO MUCH, I WANT TO THANK, AGAIN, THE CITY STAFF THAT'S HELP, THE ISAT COMMITTEE MEMBERS, PARKS AND RECK, JAMES GARDENER, I KNOW ERIC LET ME BE ON HIS SHOW. AND I THINK YOU'LL SEE THIS'LL BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE ISLAND. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guarjardo: THANK YOU S MUCH. AND I THINK WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVOCACY. YOU HAVE BEEN, BY FAR, THE STRONGEST ONE I'VE EVER SEEN. SO THANKS FOR THE ADVOCACY. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: S >> Paxson: CHERYL, YOU HAVE CREATED IN THIS PROJECT A WO WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF WHEN COMMUNITY AND CITY TEAMS AND GOVERNMENT CAN COME TOGETHER AN FIND CREATIVE SOLUTIONS TO PUT THE DESIRE OF THE PUBLIC FIRST, AND I KNOW THIS IS A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR THE ISLAND. I KNOW FOR A LONG TIME EVERYBODY HAS WANTED THIS, AND YOU HAVE EMBODIED THIS PROJECT SO BEAUTIFULLY, AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING THIS VIDEO WITH US, IT'S SO MEANINGFUL, AND I'M VERY EXCITED FOR THIS AMENITY ON THE ISLAND, BUT FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECT INITIATIVES TO CONTINUE. SO THANK YOU FOR NEVER GIVING UP ON IT. >> ALL RIGHT. GREAT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION, AND A SECOND, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON OUR LAST ITEM HERE, ITEM NUMBER 25? OKAY. THERE BEING NO ONE. WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR VOTE. OKAY. THE MOTION CARRIES. >> THANK YOU ALL. >> Mayor Guarjardo: THANK YOU, CHERYL. PETER, WERE WE GOING T TO -- CAN WE MOVE THAT TO THE NEXT -- WE CAN MOVE THE WATER UPDATE TO THE NEXT MEETING. WE STILL SEND OUT MEMOS. >> Mayor Guarjardo: THANK YOU. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.