>>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING,. THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS IN SESSION TODAY OCTOBER 27, 2022. COUNCILMAN GUDES, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE INVOCATION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR AND COUNCILMEMBERS. THE DIRECTOR OF TRINITY EADVANTAGE GO CAL CHURCH. AND BOTH ORDAINED CLERGY AND CHURCH OF NORTH AMERICA. THEY ENJOY COFFEE, READING AND TIME WITH THEIR SON, ROWAN. STUDIES OF THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA AND PURSUING MASTERS OF ART THEOLOGY. HE HAS SERVED IN PASTORAL MINISTRY FOR EIGHT YEARS. THIS MORNING I GIVE YOU PASTOR TRAVIS LOWE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL PLEASE STAND AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> LET'S PRAY. OH MIGHTY GOD, WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING KNOWING OF THAT IN HOLY SCRIPTURE WE SHOULD PRAY FOR THOSE IN AUTHORITY, THOSE IN POSITIONS OF LEADERSHIP AND SO WE DO THAT GRATEFULLY AND GLADLY. WE LIFT UP EVERY MEMBER IN THE CHAMBER, THE COUNCILMEN AND COUNCILWOMAN WHO IS LEADING OUR CITY. THOSE IN CHARGE ARE LEADING IN A WAY THAT IS JUST, RIGHT AND GOOD AND REQUIRES WISDOM. SO, FATHER, WE ASK THAT YOU WILL GIVE THESE LEADERS WISDOM IN ABUNDANCE. THAT YOU GRANT THEM DISCERNMENT AND KNOWLEDGE BY THE POWER OF YOUR SPIRIT. GOD, WE ASK THAT YOU WILL GIVE EACH OF THEM THE MIND OF CHRIST WHO ALTHOUGH HE WAS LORD TOOK ON THE FORM OF A SERVANT. GOD, I PRAY THAT YOU WILL GIVE THEM THE MINDS OF SERVANTS AND THEY WILL SEE THEMSELVES AS SERVANTS FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS CITY. GOD, WE ASK THAT IN ALL OF THE DELIBERATIONS, ALL OF THE DECISION THAT ARE MADE TODAY, GOD, THAT THEY WOULD BE GUIDED AND GOVERNED IN A WAY THAT IS GOOD, RIGHT AND TRUE. WE PRAY FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS CITY, TAMPA. GOD, WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD LEAD THEM TO FLOURISHING AND TO ABUNDANCE AND TO JAI. WE ASK ALL OF THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. WE SAY AMEN. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE. >>CLERK: OFF PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, MEMBERS OF.PUBLIC. MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNTY ATTORNEY. I WILL BE VERY BRIEF AND PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE GUIDELINES AS THEY ARE IN THE NOTICE AND ALLOW FOR USE OF COMMUNICATION IMMEDIATE CA TECHNOLOGY OR CMT THAT REQUIRES PREREGISTRATION. THOSE INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ONLINE. I WILL ASK THAT THE COUNCIL WAIVE THE RULES FOR THE USE OF CMT UNTIL WE CHANGE THE RULES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ALL IN FAVOR. THANK YOU. WE WILL BE GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA AT THIS TIME. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER #, FILE NUMBERE 202 22-827 BE CONTINUED UNTIL FEBRUARY 23, 2023. >>BILL CARLSON: SO MOVED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT, PLEASE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA BEING ABSENT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: I BELIEVE THAT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9 IS ASKED TO CONTINUE UNTIL JANUARY 26, 2023 FILE NUMBER CMU-76274. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. P>>J ROLL CALL VOTE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, FILE NUMBER CMU 769811 BEING ASKED TO BE CONTINUED UNTIL NOVEMBER 3, 2022. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL VOTE. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: FILE NU NUMBER CM-75606 IS BEING ASKED TO CONTINUE FOR A DATE TO BE DETERMINED IN THE FUTURE. >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: LET'S CONTINUE THAT ALL THE WAY TO THE MARCH 20 WHATEVER IT IS WORKSHOP. WE DON'T HAVE MANY THERE, IF I MAY. MARCH 2023. MARCH 2023. LET ME SEE WHAT THAT IS -- >>LYNN HURTAK: 23rd. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MARCH 23, 2023. >>LUIS VIERA: PLEASE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN VIERA. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WAIT A MINUTE, I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR IT WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, SHOT SPOTTER -- OH, I AM SORRY, I APOLOGIZE. YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: AUTO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 12, 9680 IS BEING ASKED TO CONTINUE UNTIL NOVEMBER 17,2022. MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ROLL CALL. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14, TM-74623 IS BEING ASKED TO CONTINUE UNTIL JANUARY 26, 2023. MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND THEN AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 18, CM-74323 IS BEING ASKED TO BE CONTINUED UNTIL JANUARY 26, 23023. WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE ASKING FOR CHANGE TO OUR AGENDA? COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T KNOW WHAT CITY COUNCIL'S RULES WITH REGARD TO WORKSHOP, BUT SOME OF THE ITEMS WE MOVED PUT ON THE AGENDA SIX OR MORE MONTHS AGO AND SOME OF THEM -- THEY ALL MOVED FOR DIFFERENT REASONS BUT SOME OF THEM MOVED BECAUSE SUDDENLY A WHOLE BUNCH OF THESE REAL ESTATE ISSUES ENDED UP ON THIS AGENDA. AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A LIMIT TO HOW MANY WORKSHOP ITEMS WE CAN PUT ON. AND THEN IF THE ADMINISTRATION OR OTHER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS COME BACK AND WANT TO ADD MORE, WE DRAW A HARD LINE OTHERWISE WE HAVE GOT TO KEEP MOVING THESE ALL THE TIME. WE SAY OUR HOUSE AND OUR AGENDA, BUT SOMEHOW HALF THE AGENDA ARE THING THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS DIDN'T PUT ON. DO WE HAVE A HARD RULE ON IT -- ON WORKSHOPS? >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, SIR. YOU HAVE YOUR CALENDAR. NO. IN TERMS OF ITEMS. THE RULE IS. >>BILL CARLSON: ANYBODY ELSE AGREE THE NUMBER OF ITEMS ON WORKSHOP DAYS? >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AGREE, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT HAVING THEM TOPICAL HELPS. HAVING THEM ALL ON A SIMILAR TOPIC ALLOWS US TO TALK ABOUT THIS IS MOSTLY FOCUSED ON HOUSING AND TEXT AMENDMENTS. MAKES SENSE THE THINGS THAT WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT SORT OF THE SAME IDEAS. JUST A THOUGHT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIR -- >>LYNN HURTAK: MOST OF THEM TODAY FITS THAT MOLD, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE NICE TO TRY, IF WE CAN, SO THAT THE PUBLIC IS FOCUSED ON ONE THING. AND WE ARE FOCUSED ON ONE THING. I AM SORRY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: OH, NO, PLEASE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNSELOR SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: DIRECT COUNCIL'S ATTENTION A MEMO FROM THE CHIEF OF STAFF WHERE HE PROPOSES SETTING FORTH WORKSHOPS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR FOR CERTAIN ITEMS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON CERTAIN GENERAL AREAS. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL, I ASK THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT. BECAUSE WHEN WE DO CHANGE THESE RULES, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO BE CONSISTENT. THE RULE FOR THE WORKSHOP IS A WORKSHOP SHALL BE DEFINED AS A MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL HELD FOR THE PURPOSE OF COUNCIL BEING INFORMED ON AND DISCUSSING MATTERS OF SPECIAL CONCERN THAT REQUIRE TIME IN EXCESS OF THAT USUALLY AFFORDED FOR STAFF REPORTS AT A REGULAR MEETING. AS YOU KNOW OUR STAFF REPORTS ARE GETTING MORE NUMEROUS AND LENGTHIER. SO I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL GIVE CONSIDERATION HOW IT WANTS TO STRUCTURE ITS WORKSHOP AND CERTAINLY GIVE ME DIRECTION AND I WILL BE ABLE TO ASSIST THE CHAIR IN IMPLEMENTING THAT AND ITS RULES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: CHIEF, I SEE YOU ON LINE. SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN. GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC. JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF. JUST LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION, I WILL BE BRIEF. I APPRECIATE MR. SHELBY BRINGING FORWARD THAT SUGGESTION. WHAT I HAVE ANALYZED OVER THE YEARS IS THAT THERE IS ABOUT NINE WORKSHOPS A YEAR. I WAS TRYING TO TARGET SIX OF THOSE IN THAT SEMI ANNUAL APPROACH. NOT TO JUST SAY THAT THIS IS THE ONLY SPACE THAT IT CAN HAPPEN, BUT TWO FOR PARKS AND PUBLIC SAFETY. TWO FOR HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. AND TWO FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY. AND THEN THAT ALSO BRINGS IN TWO MORE FOR THE BUDGET, MIDYEAR REPORT AND A BUDGET WORKSHOP AFTER THE MAYOR'S PRESENTATION OF THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THAT WILL MAKE UP EIGHT OPPORTUNITIES. AND THEN FEBRUARY WAS THE ONE THAT I KIND OF LEFT OPEN FOR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ELSE MAY COME UP TOURING THE CALENDAR YEAR, THE FISCAL YEAR. AND THEN THERE IS TYPICALLY A GAP IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER AND IN THE SUMMER. SO AGAIN THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING AT NINE, WHETHER THERE IS ONE MISSING IN JUNE OR JULY HAS TO BE DISCUSSED. BUT THAT WILL ESSENTIALLY TAKE CARE OF NINE WORKSHOPS AS PLACEHOLDERS FOR THESE LARGER WORKSHOP ISSUES. WE ARE FLEXIBLE AND SUPPORTIVE, SO WHATEVER THE CHAIR AND COUNCIL COME UP WITH, WE ARE HAPPY TO SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNSELOR SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: TO COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON'S POINT, IT RAISES THE ISSUE THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT COUNCIL BRINGS FORTH INDIVIDUALLY THAT ARE SOMETIMES OF A TIME SENSITIVE NATURE THAT SOMETIMES WE REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK AND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITHIN SOME SORT OF FRAMEWORK BECAUSE CERTAINLY COUNCIL -- IF FEBRUARY IS THE ONLY OPEN WORKSHOP ONLY ONE WORKSHOP FOR CITY COUNCIL ONCE A YEAR AND HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF A BLEND AND SOMETHING I AM WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CHAIR, THE STAFF AND THE CHIEF OF ADMINISTRATION TO EFFECTUATE. COUNCIL NEEDS TO BRING THINGS FORWARD ON A TIME-SENSITIVE NATURE AND TIME-FRIENDLY MANNER. >>BILL CARLSON: OPPOSITE. THIS IS CITY COUNCIL'S WORKSHOPS. CITY COUNCIL HEARS FROM THE PUBLIC EVERY DAY AND WE BRING UP ISSUE THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO REVIEW AND WE WANT STAFF TO REVIEW AND WHAT THE CHIEF OF STAFF PRESENTED IS THE ADMINISTRATION WILL CONTROL ALL NINE. WHAT HAPPENED TO ACCEPT WRAGS OF POWERS. JOB WHY THE CITY ATTORNEY IS NOT STEPPING UP SAYING THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO USURP THE POWER OF INDEPENDENT POWERS OF CITY COUNCIL. I MEAN A SEPARATION OF POWER HERE. WE HAVE GOT ISSUES AND SERIOUS SUBSTANTIVE ISSUES TO DISCUSS TODAY AND IT SUDDENLY BECAME REAL ESTATE THEMED EVEN THOUGH WE BOOKED SOME OF THESE SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS AGO. BASED ON THE SCHEDULE HE DESCRIBED, ONE TIME A YEAR IS CITY COUNCIL GOING TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA. IMAGINE IF COUNCILMAN VIERA WANTED TO BRING UP APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM OR SOMETHING RELATED TO DISABILITIES, DOESN'T FIT ANY OF THE THEMES THAT JUST CAME UP. DOESN'T GIVE US ANY FLEXIBILITY WHATSOEVER. WHAT IT IS THE ADMINISTRATION PROGRAMMING WHAT THEY WANT US TO HEAR. AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK THEM IF THEY CAN LOBBY US, YOU NKNOW AS THEY ARE DOING ON A LO MUCH ISSUES ALREADY. BUT HANDING OVER THE WORKSHOPS TO THEM. W HAND OVER MOST OF THE REGULAR AGENDA TO THEM. WHEN CAN WE BRING UP THE ISSUES THAT CONSTITUENTS WANT US TO BRING UP. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WE HAVE ONE ITEM OR 15 ITEMS OR 20 ITEMS. THE PUBLIC IS THE ONE THAT WE SERVE, THE EIGHT OF US, THAT INCLUDES THE ADMINISTRATION AND CITY COUNCILMEMBERS. SO I AM NOT AGAINST ANYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING. I AM FOR GIVING -- YOU WANT AN ITEM. YOU WANT SIX, SEVEN OR EIGHT ITEMS CUT OFF, THAT'S FINE. BUT I SUGGES MAYBE THE CHAIR CAN HAVE MORE DIRECT CONVERSATION WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE AGENDA. I AM NOT SAYING YOU DON'T, SIR. BUT MAYBE YOU CAN SAY WE GOT TOO MANY. WE NEED TO STOP IT HERE. HAVE IT ON COUNCIL DISCUSSION. HAVEN'T HAD THE FIRST ONE YET AND DISCUSSING AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA. SO THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU GOT TO LOOK AT. WE GOT TO BE TIME FOCUSED AND REALIZE -- I AM NOT SAYING WE DON'T, BECAUSE WE DO, BUT I DON'T LIKE TO BICKER ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE SMALL. AND I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS SMALL. WANT SOMETHING DONE WHEN IT IS ON THE AGENDA COMPLETED. ALREADY TODAY WE HAVE -- HOW MANY CONTINUATIONS FROM THIS AGENDA TO ANOTHER AGENDA. SO THAT AGENDA THEN IS GOING TO BE FULL WITHOUT EVEN STARTING IT, BECAUSE WE MOVED SOME ITEMS FROM ONE AREA TO THE OTHER AREA. SO NOT WHAT SIDE YOU ARE ON OR THE OTHER SIDE, THIS IS ABOUT ALL OF US PLAYING IN THE SAME FIELD TO HAVE THE SAME GOALS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC IS THE WINNER. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. I AM NOT SAYING WE ARE NOT DOING THAT, BUT WE NEED TO FIND A BETTER WAY DEFINING IT, THAT'S ALL. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A MOTION IN PLACE TO ASK OUR CHAIR TO WORK WITH OUR COUNSEL WITH THREE BASIC ISSUES: TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF WORKSHOPS PUT ON THE AGENDA, VERY SIMPLE TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT. THEY CAN COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL. AND DEAL WITH -- IF ANY ISSUES WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, THINGS THAT ARE PUT ON THE AGENDA, ETC., TO HAVE A POLICY SO THE ISSUES CAN BE WEIGHED OUT AND DEALING WITH STAFF REPORTS AND HAVE IT COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS. THAT'S IT. END OF STORY. >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >>MARTIN SHELBY: PLEASE, IF I CAN, MADAM CLERK -- OR MR. VIERA. YOU SAY TWO WEEKS -- >>LUIS VIERA: CHAIR AND COUNSEL. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I KNOW -- >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, RESTATE -- MY MOTION IS TO SIMPLY HAVE THE CHAIR AND OUR ATTORNEY MR. SHELBY WORK IN A POLICY TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF WORKSHOPS THAT CAN BE PROPOSED EITHER FROM EACH COUNCILMEMBER ON AN AGENDA OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE THAT INCLUDES WORKING WITH ADMINISTRATION -- TO HAVE A HOLISTIC POINT OF VIEW AND LIMITING STAFF REPORTS. WE DO THAT AND WE SOLVE 99% OF OUR PROBLEMS. MAYBE 60%, WHATEVER. BUT WE SOLVE A GREAT MANY OF OUR PROBLEMS. LEAVE IT TO THE CHAIR OR MR. SHELBY WHEN IT WILL COME BACK. NOVEMBER 17, IS THAT GOOD, SIR? >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THAT GOOD FOR RESTATING THE MOTION? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILMAN GUDES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SAID A LONG TIME AGO WHEN I WAS A CHAIRMAN AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN. YOU HAVE A HEAD COACH. MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE THE HEAD COACH. I TOLD YOU THAT MANY A TIMES, SIR. KEEP SAYING THAT. YOU ARE THE HEAD COACH. THE CHAIRMAN IS THE QUARTERBACK. THE QUARTERBACK RUNS THE SHOW. YOU ARE THE HEAD COACH. YOU GIVE THE OVERVIEW, THE SCHEME A LITTLE BIT. AND, AGAIN, MR. VIERA BROUGHT UP THE POINT. WORKING WITH THE CHAIR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP YOU HAVE WITH THE CHAIR OR NOT, BUT I THINK SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT COME UP, YOU AND -- >> THE BROADCAST IS NOW STARTING ALL. >ORLANDO GUDES: LIKE ME AND YOU DID. I THINK THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNCIL AND THE COUNCILMEMBERS AND THE CHAIR NEED TO BE STRONGER WITH ALL COUNCILMEMBERS BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN A LACK OF DISRESPECT FOR YOU BY CERTAIN COUNCILMEMBERS. I AM NOT MENTIONING NAMES, BUT I THINK IT IS DOWNRIGHT WRONG. YOU ARE THE LEAD COUNSEL FOR THIS COUNCIL. YOU DON'T ANSWER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. YOUR JOB IS TO GUIDE IN COUNCIL. I TOLD YOU MANY, MANY TIMES THAT SOMETIMES I DON'T SEE THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO FIGHT WITH THE ADMINISTRATION. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT. YOU ARE MY COUNSEL. IT IS YOUR JOB TO PROTECT THIS HOUSE, REGARDLESS. SO, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT AGAIN. I THINK THAT A LOT OF COUNCIL SEEING IT THAT WAY NOW. I WANT YOU TO BE COACH AND THE CHAIRMAN TO BE QUARTERBACK. THE COACH NEEDS TO LEAD THE QUARTERBACK HOW WE NEED TO RUN. I APPRECIATE IT. I YIELD BACK. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS. COUNCIL, WE ARE A DIFFERENT COUNCIL THAN THE OTHER COUNCILS THAT COME BEFORE US. WE ARE HEARING MORE AND MORE AND MORE AND MORE AT EACH ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS, WHETHER IT BE WORKSHOPS, WHETHER IT BE STAFF REPORTS, REZONINGS, ABs. COUNCIL, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER DAY. MAYBE TWO MORE DAY AS MONTH. IF WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE BUSINESS OF THIS CITY. LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON COUNCILMAN VIERA'S MOTION. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. ANY OTHER -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN SINCE WE ARE TALKING OF DAYS AND SO FORTH, MR. CHAIRMAN I AM GOING TO ASK YOU TO PUT ON THE CHARTER REVIEW. THIS COUNCIL AND THIS CITY HAS GROWN TREMENDOUSLY. I MEAN TREMENDOUSLY. WE ARE NO LONGER A LITTLE CITY. THIS IS A FULL-TIME JOB. NO LONGER A PART-TIME JOB. IT SAYS "PART-TIME." I AM GOING TO RECOMMEND AT THE CHARTER REVIEW THAT THE CITY CHARTER BE CHANGED THAT CITY COUNCIL BE A FULL-TIME POSITION. THE HOURS THAT SOME OF US ARE WORKING, OUT IN THE COMMUNITIES, FOR OUR FAMILIES. THIS NEEDS TO BE STATED AS SUCH AS THIS POSITION IS NO LONGER PART-TIME AND I WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION DURING THE CHARTER REVIEW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU NEED A SECOND? >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A SECOND. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR. >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY EXPLAIN MY VOTE, SIR. NO, AGAIN, I AM GLAD TO DISCUSS THAT BY VOTING. I AM NOT VOTING YES -- I AM JUST -- AS A COURTESY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYTHING FURTHER ON THE AGENDA. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE WAS NO VOTE ON THAT? >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE WE GOOD? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA? >>MARTIN SHELBY: MADAM CLERK. WAS THERE A VOTE? >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES, WE DID. WE SAID ALL IN FAVOR. ALL IN FAVOR. AYE. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA? YES, MA'AM, YOU -- I UNDERSTAND YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8 AND 15 ALL HEARD TOGETHER. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: YES, SIR, GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. NICOLE TRAVIS, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. WE SUBMITTED A MEMO THAT THOSE ITEMS BE BUNDLED TOGETHER. THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT YOU REQUESTED FOR US TO COME BACK TO YOU IN A WORKSHOP FORM. THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE. MISS FEELEY AND MR. COTTON ARE GOING TO PRESENT MOST OF THOSE ITEMS TO YOU. ITEM NUMBER 15, WHILE IT IS ON YOUR AGENDA, I HAVE TO BEG YOUR FORGIVENESS. I DROPPED THE BALL IN UPLOADING THE ITEMS TO SIRE. I HAVE A HANDOUT. NOT TAKING ANY ACTION ON COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT. STRICTLY INFORMATIONAL. WE DID PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND IF YOU WOULD INDULGE US AND ALLOW US -- TO WALK ON THESE ITEMS FOR YOU TODAY. I HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR WANTING THE ITEMS AHEAD OF TIME. AND IT WAS IN MY IN BOX AND I DROPPED THE BALL. ASKING FOR YOUR INDULGENCE TO PRESENT THAT INFORMATION TO YOU TODAY IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: WITHOUT OBJECTION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND. >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE WILL GO AHEAD HEARING 1, #, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 AND 15 WITH THE PRESENTATION FROM MISS NICOLE. MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU. COUNCIL, I WANT TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION, WHEN YOU HAVE THE ITEMS BUNDLED TOGETHER SPECIFICALLY WHEN IT AFFECTS CHANGES IN THE CODE. I SPOKE WITH MISS FEELEY ABOUT THIS EARLY THIS MORNING. WHAT I RECOMMEND STRONGLY IS THAT WHAT YOU DO IS WHEN YOU FINISH A SUBJECT MATTER WITHIN THAT PRESENTATION, YOU ACT ON A DECISION POINT. IF THERE IS A DECISION POINT TO BE MADE. RATHER THAN HEARING THE WHOLE PRESENTATION WITHOUT INTERRUPTION AND HAVING TO RECALL THE FIRST ITEM AFTER THE SIX OR SEVEN ITEMS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP. IN TERMS OF THE WAY THE WORKSHOP SHOULD BE STRUCTURED WHEN ITEMS ARE BUNDLED, I ASK THAT COUNCIL TAKE THE TIME TO REFLECT UPON WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD AND IF A DECISION POINT IS TO BE TAKEN TO TAKE IT AT THAT TIME AND MOVE IT ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, PLEASE. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: CAN I HAND THESE OUT? >>JOSEPH CITRO: SURE. WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: AT THIS TIME WE WILL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYBODY IN CHAMBERS WHO WISH TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. PLEASE FORM A LINE TO MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT. >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, CAN I ASK AV THAT SHOWS THAT THE BROADCAST IS NOT UP. AND OUR MONITORS ARE NOT UP EITHER. >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE WILL NOW TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. >> GOOD MORNING, MY NAME IS STANLEY GRAY. 3020 WEST HARBORVIEW AVENUE. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE INTERESTS OF THE URBAN LEAGUE OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AT 1250 RAY CHARLES BOULEVARD. I AM ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT AND LEGITIMIZE AS WELL AS LEGISLATURE ALL ISSUES PERTAINING TO THE ACCEPTANCE OF ACCESSORY BUILDINGS. I AM ALSO ASKING YOU TO ASSIST IN THE FUTURE THE URBAN LEAGUE OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY TO OBTAIN CITY PROPERTY SO WE CAN ACTUALLY BUILD AND MAKE MORE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, HOUSING FOR SPECIFIC PARTIES, SENIOR CITIZENS ON FIXED INCOMES, AS WELL AS RETURNING CITIZENS. NOSE TWO PARTIES OR DES IG NATIONS ARE TWO OF THE FASTEST GROWING HOMELESS POPULATIONS WITHIN OUR CITY. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF MY REQUEST. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU. NE NEXT. >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. NATHAN HAGAN REPRESENTING NMIMBY TAMPA TODAY. I AM FOCUSING ON THIS. THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY. I AM JUST WANT TO FOCUS ON WHAT I BELIEVE THE MISSION IS WHY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS. ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS HAVE MANY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, THE WAY PEOPLE LOOK AT IT. BUT THE WAY WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS TODAY, HOW DOES THIS PROVIDE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED IT. I WOULD JUST EMPHASIZE THE GOALS IN MY MIND OF THESE CHANGES ARE TO CREATE AS MUCH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE OPTIONS, THERE ARE WAYS TO BICKER OH, WELL, PEOPLE WILL SAY SOMETHING ABOUT ACCESSORY -- OR AIRBNB THAT WE CAN'T REGULATE AND WE KNOW WE CAN'T. THE NUISANCE IS NOT A GOOD REASON TO SAY NO TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I WOULD ASK COUNCIL TO KEEP THAT IN MIND TODAY AS WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS. IN PARTICULAR I HEARD FROM NEIGHBORHOODS AS I HAVE GONE OUT AND SPOKE WITH FOLKS. THAT THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS ARE GOING TO BE A CONCENSUS TOPIC WHEN IT COMES TO VOTING AND SO DO THE SETBACKS. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU HOW THAT MIGHT EFFECT WHETHER UNITS WILL BE BUILT OR NOT BE BUILT. TO THE EXTENT THEY WILL NOT BE BUILT, THAT SHOULD UNDERMINE CRITICISM TO THOSE ITEMS. THERE ARE THREE THINGS THAT ARE NOT BEING PROPOSED THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE DISCUSSED TODAY WHICH I HOPE ARE PROPOSED MAYBE ON A SEPARATE CODE CHANGE AFTER THESE ONE THAT ARE PROPOSED. THOSE ARE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE REMOVAL OF THE OFF-STREET PARKING REQUIREMENT. THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE LIVING IN THESE HOMES ARE THE PEOPLE LESS LIKELY TO OWN CARS. TO REQUIRE THEM TO PAY FOR PARKING IN THEIR RENT I DON'T THINK IS USEFUL. AND WE SHOULD ALLOW IT CITY WIDE, THAT INCLUDES IN SOUTH TAMPA AND THE FEW PLACES IN NORTH TAMPA THAT WILL NOT BE PRO LIBERTIED BY DEED RESTRICTION. THOSE PLACES SHOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO HAVE THEM AS WELL. AS WELL AS YBOR. I DON'T THINK YBOR IS CONSIDERED UNDER THIS CHANGE. WHY WOULDN'T YBOR BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS. WE NEED THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND FINALLY -- AND I THINK THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT STANLEY WAS SAYING IS THIS CAN'T JUST BE FOR HOMEOWNERS AND PEOPLE OCCUPYING THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. LANDLORDS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BUILD MORE HOUSING AND RENT IT OUT AT AFFORDABLE RATES. NOT ALL OF THEM WILL BE AFFORDABLE, BUT SOME WILL BE A GOOD DEAL THAN WILL BE. AND NONPROFITS THAT WOULD LIKE TO OPERATE PROPERTIES ARE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND WOULDN'T BE IN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. I WILL ASK TO REMOVE ANY RESTRICTIONS OF PRIMARY RESIDENCE BEING OCCUPIED BY THE HOMEOWNER. I DON'T THINK THAT WILL HELP US BUILD MORE UNITS. I UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE HAVE THAT PERSPECTIVE, BUT I WILL ASK NOT TO HAVE THOSE THINGS. THOSE ARE MY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TODAY. AND I HOPE THAT CITY COUNCIL TAKES THIS AS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUE AND NOT A NUISANCE MINIMIZATION ISSUE. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS PASTOR WILLIAMS. LOCATED 1112 EAST SCOTT STREET PARADISE MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH. YOU NKNOW I HAVE BEEN COMING DON HERE YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR AND DON'T GET NO KIND OF RESULT. BUT THE THING ABOUT IT, I GUESS I AM TALKING TO THE WRONG PEOPLE. I NEED TO TALK TO GOD MORE ABOUT THIS SITUATION. I JUST -- WHEN I USED TO COME DOWN HERE A LONG TIME AGO, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A BLACK MAN SITTING UP THERE. AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE A WHITE WOMAN SITTING UP THERE. IT WAS ALL WHITE MEN. AND WE THOUGHT ABOUT HAVING A BLACK MAN SITTING UP THERE AND A WOMAN SITTING UP THERE, WE WILL GET SOME RESULTS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT DONE GOT WORSE. YOU KNOW, YOU ALL KNOW THAT I KEEP MY TRUST IN GOD. I DIDN'T COME TOWN HERE WITH NO WALKER TODAY BECAUSE I FELL IN THE ELEVATOR LAST WEEK. POLICEMAN OUT THERE HAD TO GET ME OUT. NOW I AM WALKING WITH THIS CANE, AND IT WORSER THAN MY WALKER, BUT I AM TRYING TO DO THE BEST HE CAN. STAND UP FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS OF ALL PEOPLE. ANY OF YOU CIVIL RIGHTS LAWYERS? IF YOU DO, I NEED YOU. BECAUSE I GET NO RESULT AT MY CHURCH. AND I AM A SENIOR CITIZEN. I AM ON A FIXED INCOME AND YOU TREAT ME WORSER THAN YOU DO SOME OF Y'ALL'S DAMN DOGS. I AM TRYING TO DO THE BEST I CAN TO KEEP MY CONGREGATION COMING BACK AND WORSHIP GOD ALMIGHTY BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT AND HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY. ALTHOUGH PAINFUL, BUT I THANK GOD THAT I'M HERE. I AM NOT TRYING TO IT BE -- SPEAKING FOR THE BLACK FOLK. NO, I SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY, BECAUSE I AM A PREACHER. AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT. WE WANT EVERYBODY TO GO TO GLORY. EVERYBODY WILL BE UP THERE WITH JESUS CHRIST. IT IS COMING THAT DAY ONE DAY WHEN WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME DOWN HERE. WE WILL BE DEAD AND GONE ON TO GLORY. COMING DOWN HERE BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE -- I ASKED THE YOUNG LADY THE OTHER DAY. HOW COME YOU DON'T COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ANYMORE. THEY SAID YOU DON'T DO NOTHING FOR ME. AND DON'T DO FOR SOMEBODY THAT LOOK LIKE US. I SAY ONE DAY WE MIGHT CHANGE. I WAS BORN IN 1938. I WAS BORN BEFORE ALL OF YOU ALL AND THANK GOD THAT I AM STILL HERE, ALIVE AND STILL KICKING. I WANT YOU TO DO SOMETHING FOR ME AND WHAT IS RIGHT FOR ALL PEOPLE. THE BLACK, THE MEXICAN, THE JEWS, THE WHITE FOLK, AND EVERYBODY ELSE. DON'T JUST PICK OUT CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT YOU ALL WANT TO BE CATERED TO. BE CATER TO EVERYBODY. ESPECIALLY THESE PEOPLE SITTING UP HERE WAITING TO COME UP HERE TO BE WHERE I AM. I HEARD IT. THANK YOU. GOD BLESS ALL OF Y'ALL. I GOT TO GET OUT OF HERE. >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA. LOST MY KEYS LAST WEEK. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO ASSISTED ME IN FINDING THEM AND LOCATING THEM. I WAS ABLE TO FIND THEM. A LOT OF NICE PEOPLE OUT THERE IN THE WORLD. WHAT I'M HERE TO SAY THIS MORNING IS IT IS AN IGNORANT PROCESS YOU HAVE GOING ON HERE. THIS INVOCATION STUPIDNESS. ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY IGNORANT. PROBABLY ILLEGAL UNCONSTITUTIONAL. AND YOU NEED TO GIVE INDIVIDUALS EQUAL TIME OR SOME FORM OF REBUTTAL TO MAKE IT FAIR. WEEK AFTER WEEK YOU HAVE IGNORANT PEOPLE THANKING Y'ALL. THANKING GOD. THANKING JESUS CHRIST. THANKING STUPIDITY. BLESSING THIS PERSON. BLESSING THAT PERSON. NOT REFLECTIVE OF POOR AND WORKING-CLASS PEOPLE IN THIS CITY AND ANY OTHER CITY THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. SO THAT IS UNFAIR FOR THE VOTERS TO PUT Y'ALL UP THERE TO HAVE THIS IGNORANCE, PEOPLE COMING DOWN HERE BEGGING FOR $1500 FOR JUNETEENTH, FOR A PARK AND 34th STREET. BLACK PEOPLE HAVE BIGGER ISSUES THAN THAT. APPEAR AND ALL THIS IGNORANT STUFF THAT YOU DO DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NO SENSE. IT IS UNFAIR. UNFAIR. HURTFUL AND HARMFUL. NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS. THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE. INVOCATIONS NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA OR ALLOW EQUAL TIME FOR REBUTTAL RESPONSE. THIS AGENDA SHOULD SHOW RESPECT TO THE AFRICAN PEOPLE IN THIS CITY BY PLACING REPARATIONS ITEM IN THE AGENDA. THIS CITY LIKE MOST CITIES ARE ON AUTOMATIC. THESE CITY COUNCILS ARE DISTRIBUTORS OF TAX MONEY COLLECTED FROM THE MASSES OF PEOPLE WHO WERE DISRESPECTED YEAR AROUND UNTIL IT IS ELECTION TIME. THE ONLY TIME THESE TALKING HEADS STEP UP TO THE PLATE IS WHEN THE GAME IS OVER. DID THEY STEP UP TO THE PLATE $150 MILLION PROJECT GOING ON BEFORE COUNCIL DISCUSSION? NO. DID THEY STEP UP TO THE PLATE ON A 18% POLICE PAY INCREASE? NO. THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH THE INCREASE WAS GOING TO BE. THEY SAY 18% AND THEY DON'T TELL THE TAXPAYERS NOTHING. DID THEY STEP UP ON THE PLATE ON A $1 BILLION BUDGET THAT GOT STUFFED DOWN THE CITY'S VOTE AND NOTHING FOR IT FOR 26% OF THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY? NO. DID THEY STEP UP TO THE PLATE WHEN POLICE WERE ABUSING THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY? NO, STEP UP TO THE PLATE TO SOLVE AND RESOLVE ANY REAL PROBLEMS INSIDE THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY? NO. THIS CITY COUNCIL AND ANY OTHER CITY COUNCIL BEFORE IT HAS DONE NOT ONE SINGLE THING FOR AFRICAN PEOPLE OR THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY AND A REAL HOUSING CRISIS IN CITY AND OTHER CITIES. NOT A HOUSING CRISIS BUT A GLOBAL, NEW WAVE OF BITE PEOPLE MAN FEST DESTINY. MOVING WHITE PEOPLE AND NORMALLY MOVING.INDIANS AND OTHER INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OFF OF THEIR LAND, NOW MOVING WHITE PEOPLE. AND NOW THIS CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO STEP UP AND DO SOMETHING. 26% OF THE POPULATION AND WE WANT TO SEE SOME RESULTS. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO SEE. >> THANK YOU. I AM GETTING OLD. I NEED TO SIT DOWN. RUNNING FOR VICE PRESIDENT OF THE N AAACP ON NOVEMBER 17. I NEED EVERYBODY'S VOTE TO GET IT STRAIGHT. MISS FEELEY TALKING OF TEXT AMENDMENT. WE NEED IT IN WEST TAMPA. CHARLIE, 30-YEAR PLAN ON INCINERATOR. I WANT TO HEAR THAT VERY CLEAR. DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE JEWEL. A SUSTAINABLE PLANT. IF DONE RIGHT. I AM ONE OF THE EXPERTS ON IT. COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT. DIDN'T HAVE BACK-UP IN HERE BUT GOT ONE ON ROME YARD. HOPEFULLY THIS ONE WILL BE WORTH SOUTH CAROLINA, DON'T KNOW YET. 16, DPR. HMM ... I WILL HOLD MY THOUGHTS ON THAT. A WHOLE PAGE ABOUT ANY NORTH BUSINESSES. THE EXPERT IN THIS AREA ON MINORITY BUSINESS AND NOBODY ASKING ME NOTHING. AND 17, HANNA. APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM. AIN'T OFF THE GROUND YET. LISTEN. I COME DOWN HERE AND I WILL BE HERE ALL DAY. I DECIDED TO TAKE A DAY AND SIT HERE, OBSERVE AND DOCUMENT, FACE TO FACE. AND I AIN'T EVEN GOT MY MASK ON BECAUSE I AIN'T WORRIED ABOUT COVID BECAUSE IF I GO, I WILL GO. LET ME TELL YOU THIS. I HAVE BEEN HELPING THIS CITY FOR DECADES. EVERYBODY CALLS ME GOOD, BAD, UGLY, THEY HATE ME, ONE THING OF JOE ROBINSON, IF I TELL YOU SOMETHING, YOU OUGHT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. EVERYBODY LISTENING, THE NAACP, LISTEN. SCHOOL BOARD TOO. LISTEN. I KNOW A LOT AND DO A LOT AND I ASK FOR NOT ONE DIME BACK. ZERO. I THINK ALL OF YOU KNOW THAT AND I GO TO CHURCH EVERY SUNDAY, RIGHT. GUIDO. WHAT I AM SAYING IS I'M HERE TO HELP. NOT DESTROY IT. THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE IS WE HAVE A GROWING CITY. WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS BEING DESIGNED. SO MANY PEOPLE COMING TO TOWN. WE HAVE SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT. Y'ALL AIN'T GOT ENOUGH TIME ON THE AGENDA TO CARRY THAT. THAT IS WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THE AGENDA FOR 20 MINUTES. YOU GOT TO FIGURE OUT MORE TIME. GOT TO FIGURE OUT MORE TIME TO HANDLE THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY. THE MOST COMPLEX THIS HAS EVER BEEN. WE HAD A REGULAR MICKEY MOUSE BUDGET 20 YEARS AGO. WE HAVE A BILLION DOLLAR BUDGET. THINGS ARE GROWING, BUT NOT THE TIME TO SPEND ON THEM. I ASK THAT YOU DO SPEND MORE TIME. PICK ANOTHER DAY. WHATEVER YOU GOT TO DO TO GET THE BACKLOG TAKEN CARE OF, AND THEN YOU WILL BE BACK TO NORMAL. AS SOON AS YOU GET YOUR BACKLOG DONE -- I HAVE A BUSINESS. I DO MY BACKLOG. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO BUT JANUARY 2023 TO FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON. TELL THE TRUTH. AND KEEP EVERYBODY AROUND HERE HAPPY. AND LET'S CUT THIS NONSENSE OUT. WE WILL BE HERE WITH YOU ALL DAY DOCUMENTING FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE IN CHAMBERS -- >> THANK YOU. I AM SORRY I AM OUT OF BREATH BECAUSE I THOUGHT PUBLIC COMMENT WAS AT THE END AND I THOUGHT IT WAS UP -- AT THE BEGINNING AND THEN I HEARD MR. SHELBY AS I WAS IN THE CAR DRIVING SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE IT AFTER EVERY ITEM. SO I AM GOING TO GO NOW BECAUSE I BARELY MADE IT. I AM SUSAN SWIFT. MY ADDRESS IS 3621 SO SOUTH HESPIDES STREET IN TAMPA. AND I WILL TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND GET TO MY COMMENTS. I'M HERE ABOUT THE TEXT AMENDMENTS. SO I AM GOING TO BUNDLE MY COMMENTS HERE. I THINK I HAVE AN UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE ON THIS AND QUALIFICATIONS. I'M HERE REPRESENTING MYSELF AS A CERTIFIED PLANNER AND A RESIDENT AND HOMEOWNER OF THE CI CITY. THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW ME I WAS THE ZONING DIRECTOR FOR THE CITY FOR 20 YEARS IN THE '80s AND '90s AND I OPENED THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CENTER AND I WROTE MUCH OF THE ZONING CODE WHICH ADMITTEDLY HAD GREAT AND NOT-SO-GREAT CHANGES FROM THAT EDITION OF IT. I FEEL SO STRONGLY OF SOME OF THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED TODAY THAT I ACTUALLY TOOK THE DAY A YOU HAVE TO SPEAK IN PERSON TODAY. AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY BREATHING. AND I ALSO OFFER IN ADVANCE TO MEET REQUEST ANY OF YOU TO DISCUSS THE DRAFTS OF THESE IN MORE DETAIL AND THE IMPLICATIONS THEY HAVE ON THE GROUND WHEN APPLIED. THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT ARE GREAT CONCEPTS, BUT AS WRITTEN AND PERHAPS UNENFORCEABLE IN SOME CASES. EITHER WAY, I THINK SOME OF THESE ARE GOING TO CREATE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT ARE VERY SERIOUS AND WILL ACTUALLY RUIN THE CHARACTER OF SOME OF OUR WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOODS. I HEARD SOME ITEMS WERE REMOVED. I COULDN'T KEEP TRACK OF WHAT THEY WERE. SO I AM GOING TO TELL YOU BY TITLE, NOT NUMBER, WHICH ONES I AM SPEAKING ON TODAY. AND I HAVE OTHER CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHERS, BUT THESE ARE THE THREE THAT I FIND MOST IMPORTANT. AND MY -- MY BIGGEST -- THOSE ARE THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, MULTIFAMILY, AND TOWNHOUSES IN ALL COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND ARTERIAL AND COLLECTORS WHICH -- AND I WILL ALSO PROVIDE WRITTEN COMMENTS, BUT AS I SAID, I FEEL REALLY STRONGLY ABOUT THIS. THERE ARE -- THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, I THINK -- WELL, ALL OF THEM, I THINK THESE THREE ARE MAJOR CHANGES IN POLICY THAT WARRANT BEING IN THE PLAN UPDATE NOT -- NOT PRESENTED AS TWEAKS TO THE ZONING CODE. AND THOSE ARE THOSE THREE THAT I MENTIONED: ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AND THE OTHER TWO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: GIVE YOU 30 SECONDS MORE. >> THANK YOU. AND THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS I WILL GET TO. DOUBLES THE DENSITY IN THESE THREE AREAS OF THE CITY. I AM NOT SURE QUESTION A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IF THIS LITTLE TWEAK WILL DO THAT. THE NUMBER OF LOTS, SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS THAT WILL NOW HAVE TWO, I WOULD ASK YOU TO ASK HOW MANY LOTS THERE ARE IN THESE THREE -- IT IS BASICALLY A THIRD OF THE CITY. SO WE ARE DOUBLING THE DENSITY IN A THIRD OF THE CITY. IT'S -- THE -- HAVING NO PARKING, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE ARBITRARY -- THE ARBITRARY NUMBERS. THEY SEEM ARBITRARY TO ME. NO PARKING FOR SMALL UNITS. WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK. WE DON'T HAVE GOOD TRANSIT. SAME THING FOR 900-SQUARE-FOOT UNITS. THERE IS NO WRITTEN PART OF THIS THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE A GARAGE AND AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT AND A SWIMMING POOL AND THIS AND THAT ON A 5,000-SQUARE-FOOT OR 6,000-SQUARE-FOOT LOT. WE HAVE STORMWATER PROBLEMS IN TAMPA THE MOST EGREGIOUS IT ALLOWS ADUs AND NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES, SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WAITING DECADES FOR A NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE TO GO AWAY, NOW PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE IT A UNIT AND MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: INTERESTING POINT WAS RAISED WITH REGARD TO PUBLIC COMMENT. AND I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT HOW COUNCIL WANTS TO ADDRESS THIS WORKSHOP. WE HAVE MULTIPLE ITEMS ALL BEING HEARD AT THE SAME TIME WITH REGARDS HOW YOU WISH TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. NORMALLY THREE MINUTES AT THE END OF EACH AGENDA ITEM FOR THE WORKSHOP. HOW DOES COUNCIL WISH TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY OTHER THAN THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE FRONT? I JUST WOULD LIKE SOME DIRECTION. >>JOSEPH CITRO: WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS -- WHAT YOU HAD TOLD ME YESTERDAY HOW THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE HAD POSTED THIS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT I TALKED TO YOU YESTERDAY WAS REQUEST REGARD TO TUESDAY'S SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP. THIS WORKSHOP ACTUALLY I DON'T HAVE THE NOTICE IN FRONT OF ME. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WAS NOTICED. BUT WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION ASKED THAT YOU COMBINE ITEMS, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC TO SPEAK AT YOUR WORKSHOP SINCE YOU ARE FORMULATING PUBLIC POLICY AT THIS TIME BASED ON INPUT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PEOPLE TO SPEAK. I WANT IT TO BE CLEAR SO THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC KNOW THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. I KNOW THAT COUNCIL HAS BEEN GETTING LETTER FROM PEOPLE RELATIVE TO SOME OF THESE ITEMS, BUT IN TERMS OF KNOWING HOW TO PROCEED FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS WORKSHOP. I WOULD LIKE CLARITY FOR PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC'S EDUCATION. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCIL? >>MARTIN SHELBY: I KNOW THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE ONLINE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WAS JUST ASKED THAT. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE, BUT HAVEN'T WE RECENTLY BEEN ALLOWING PEOPLE TO SPEAK TO EACH ITEM. AND THEN IF WE ARE BUNDLING A BUNCH OF THEM TOGETHER, I GUESS THEY HAVE TO SPEAK AT ONE TIME. PART OF MY QUESTION IS, THE PREVIOUS QUESTION OR -- QUESTIONER SPOKE TO THREE OF THE ITEMS. WHAT DO WE DO -- DOES SHE HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK TO THE OTHER ITEMS ALSO SHE DIDN'T SPEAK ABOUT? OR IS SHE JUST USED HER OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS THE QUESTION. SHE INDICAED SHE TOOK THE DAY OFF TO BE HERE. AND I DON'T -- I CAN TELL YOU WHAT COUNCIL'S STATED RULES ARE. I HAVE ASKED THIS COUNCIL SEVERAL TIMES FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A WORKSHOP PERHAPS -- NOT A WORKSHOP, BUT A SPECIAL DISCUSSION MEETING IN THE SISTER CITIES ROOM OR MASCOT ROOM TO TALK OF THESE THINGS OFF LINE IF WE CAN. NOTICE PUBLIC MEETING. BUT I NEED TO BE CLEAR NOW THAT WHEN A -- WHEN A MEMO COMES IN FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ASKING THAT THESE ITEMS BE BUNDLED, DOES THAT THEN TAKE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN ITEMS AND COMBINE THEM TO AT THAT YOU CAN TO COUNCIL FOR THREE MINUTES AT THE START OF THE MEETING. THAT IS WHAT I NEED TO KNOW FOR CLARIFICATION. >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD JUST SAY THAT FOLKS HAVE TO SPEAK TO IT THE BUNDLED ITEM TOGETHER. I ASSUME THAT WOULD MEAN THREE MINUTES. BUT IF WE WANTED TO, WE CAN GIVE THEM FOUR, BECAUSE OTHERWISE THREE MINUTES EACH. BUT TO THE -- TO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER. I WOULD SAY IF -- IF WE HAVE ITEMS OTHER THAN THE THREE SHE SPOKE TO JUST LIKE WE WOULD NORMALLY, SHE WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK TO ALL THE OTHER ITEMS INDIVIDUALLY. AND THE BUNDLE ONES SHE DIDN'T SPEAK TO, SHE WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK AGAIN AND SAME THING FOR ANYBODY ELSE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION, MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE I WANT COUNCIL TO KNOW WHAT THE EXISTING RULES ARE. THE SUBJECT CHANGED. COUNCIL' RULES AND COUNCIL'S MEETING. SUBJECT MATTER CAN BE TAKEN UP TO 30 MINUTES AT THE END OF EACH WORKSHOP ITEM, THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER. NO OFFICIAL ACTION ON THE MATTER WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF THE WORKSHOP SHOULD CAN TAKEN DURING OR AFTER A WORKSHOP UNLESS THE PUBLIC IS SAY FORKED AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT PRIOR TO ACTION. AND THAT IS, AGAIN, SUBJECT TO REVISION, BUT THAT IS FOR ANOTHER DAY. BUT I WANTED TO BE CLEAR FOR TODAY'S WORKSHOP HOW TO HANDLE IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR GUIDANCE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MY OPINION SINCE WE ARE BUNDLING THEM ALL TOGETHER, THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE CHAMBERS THAT WISH TO SPEAK TO THEM CAN SPEAK TO THEM AFTER WE HAVE DISCUSSED ALL THAT ARE BUNDLED TOGETHER AND THEN THAT WAY THEY CAN SEPARATE WHICH ONES THEY WISH TO SPEAK TO. COUNCIL MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO SAY THIS. THE PUBLIC ARE LISTENING TO US AND SAYING, WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT. IS IT ALL THE SAME ITEM OR ALL THE ONES WE TOOK OFF THAT WILL BE UNDER ONE. ONE TWO THREE FOUR FIVE SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT AND 15 TOGETHER. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING FOR 50 MINUTES AND NOT ONE ITEM YET ON THE AGENDA. THAT IS FINE WITH ME; HOWEVER, WE COULD HAVE DONE ONE, THREE AND FOUR MORE LIKELY THAN NOW AND WE WOULD HAVE BEEN A THIRD OF A WAY WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO. BUT INSTEAD WE ARE TALKING OF THE PROCESS AND THE CLARITY OF SOME ITEM THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN DISCUSSED. SO THE PUBLIC IS HEAR. THEY WANT TO SPEAK ON CERTAIN ITEM. MAYBE ONE OF THOSE OR NONE OF THOSE. MAYBE ALL TOGETHER BUT I BELIEVE THEY ARE ENTITLED TO SPEAK ON EACH ITEM. THEY ARE THE PUBLIC. THEY ARE NOT USED TO WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE. TO HEAR ITEM ONE, THREE, FOUR INDIVIDUALLY AND LISTEN TO WHAT WE ARE SAYING SO NO MISTAKE WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND WHAT WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT'S ALL I AM SAYING. TAKE IT ONE AT A TIME AND STOP THIS STUFF AND KEEP GOING. >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE STILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKERS ONLINE. LET'S GET -- LET'S FINISH OUR PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN I AM GOING TO ASK COUNCIL IF WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE EVERYTHING SEPARATELY. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: MAY I MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT. THE BUNDLING IS FOR US TO PUT THE SUBJECT MATTER TOGETHER. NOT FOR US TO NOT HEAR THE PUBLIC. EACH ITEM IS A SEPARATE ITEM AND WILL BE PRESENTED THAT WAY. YOU CAN TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND SHOULD TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER EACH ONE OF THE ITEMS. WE ARE JUST PUTTING ALL THE SUBJECT MATTER ITEMS TOGETHER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHO DO WE HAVE ONLINE? >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH ONLINE? MR. RANDOLPH. >> YES. HOW IS EVERYBODY TODAY. MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH, AND I AM FROM THE WEST TAMPA CAC. I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT A VERY IMPORTANT MEETING THAT IS COMING UP, AND IT AFFECTS ALL OF US. THE TITLE OF THE MEETING IS "REDUCING STREET VIOLENCE: A NATIONAL APPROACH." THE SUB TITLE IS "HEALTH, PUBLIC SAFETY AND ECONOMIC I DEVELOPMENT: DETECTING THE DOTS TOGETHER." BRINGING TOGETHER VENDORS, INVESTORS BUSINESS GOVERNMENT PRIVATE SECTOR, AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC SECTOR. THE MEETING IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSING FROM COMMUNITIES AROUND THE NATION TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN THEIR COMMUNITY TO REDUCE VIOLENCE. AS YOU KNOW IN BALTIMORE RIGHT NOW, CITY -- AROUND THE NATION CITIES ARE MEETING IN BALTIMORE TO TALK ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH PUBLIC SAFETY. THE AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WILL BE ATTENDING BECAUSE THEY ARE INTERESTED IN THE MODEL THAT WE ARE DOING. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WILL BE TALKING OF THE ROME YARD DEAL. MADE IT TO THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT WITH WEST TAMPA CAC. WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE -- THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IN PARTNERSHIP WITH WEST TAMPA TO CREATE OVER 100 JOBS. WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE WEST TAMPA TECHNOLOGY CENTER AND JOB CREATION CENTER AND TO HAVE PEOPLE TALK OF THE WEST TAMPA CAC. AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROGRAMS AVAILABLE FOR RESIDENTS AND COMMERCIALS THAT PEOPLE CAN GET GRANTS IN THE CAC AREA. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM LOCAL, REGIONAL AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE COMM COMMUNITY. SO IMPORTANT THAT WE ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF VIOLENCE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS MEETING ADDRESSES THAT NOT AS A PROBLEM BUT AS A SOLUTION. AND I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO ATTEND THAT MEETING. YOU WILL BE SURPRISE WHAT THEY ARE DOING AROUND THE NATION TO REDUCE VIOLENCE IN SOME OF THE MOST DRUG-INFESTED AND THUG-INFESTED COMMUNITY IN OUR NATION. THAT MEETING WILL BE ON THE 31st, WHICH IS MONDAY. YOU CAN E-MAIL US AT WEST WESTTAMPACDC@ GMAIL.COM. FOLKS, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE VIOLENCE IN OUR CITY. DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER IS INSANITY. WE GOT TO THINK OUT THE BOX. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. >>CLERK: NEXT SPEAKER IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: DOES SHE WANT TO SPEAK TO EACH AGENDA ITEM. >>CLERK: THAT WAS STEP STEPHANIE POYNOR. PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> THIS IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT. I WANT TO SPEAK AT THE THAT THE TEXT AMENDMENTS WERE ADDRESSED. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S GO WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1 PLEASE. FILE NUMBERE-22-8 CHAPTER 27. >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. ABBYE FEELEY, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T WANT MISS SWIFT TO MISS THE CONVERSATION THAT WE ARE HAVING, SO WE ARE HERE TODAY ON ITEMS 1, 3 -- SORRY, 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 AND 8. THOSE ARE ALL TEXT AMENDMENT ITEMS. AS MISS TRAVIS STATED WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT EACH ITEM INDEPENDENTLY. THESE ITEMS HAVE BEEN TRAVELING TOGETHER IN FRONT OF YOU SINCE THE JUNE 23 WORKSHOP WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THEM TO YOU IN CONCEPT AND SAID TO YOU, COUNCIL, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE LIKE TO WORK ON AND WENT THROUGH ALL OF THEM AND WHY WE WERE DOING THEM AND SAID TO YOU, IF WE HAVE YOUR APPROVAL TODAY, WHAT WE WILL DO IS, WE WILL GET STARTED NOW ON ACTUALLY WRITING THE TEXT FOR THESE. I SENT A MEMO ON SEPTEMBER 15 WITH THE ACTUAL TEXT. THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THESE CHANGES. WE HAD A PUBLIC INFORMATION WORKSHOP LAST WEEK. THAT INFORMATION WORKSHOP WENT WENT FOR ALMOST FOUR HOURS. WE TOOK EACH ITEM INDEPENDENTLY. WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC INDEPENDENTLY ON EACH OF THOSE ITEMS. MISS POYNOR, MISS SWIFT WAS IN ATTENDANCE. WE HAD -- I BELIEVE WE HAD 93 REGISTERED AND 57 ATTENDED THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION WORKSHOP. NOW WE ARE HERE TODAY TO TALK BECOME THROUGH THOSE ITEMS WITH YOU AGAIN. AND WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL DRIVE. CAN I DRIVE? YES, I CAN. OKAY. SO JUST TO GO OVER A LITTLE BIT OF BACK GROUND WHICH I JUST DID. WE WILL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT. WE WILL GO THROUGH EACH OF THE AMENDMENTS AND A SUMMARY OF THE PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING THAT WE CONDUCTED AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN PROCESS, SCHEDULE AND TIMELINE AND THEN TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. HERE YOU WILL SEE THE AGENDA ITEM OVER ON THE LEFT. AS I JUST MENTIONED. AND THE CODE SECTION THAT IS BEING ADDRESSED BY THAT AGENDA ITEM AND THE SUBJECT AREA THAT IS RELATED TO EACH OF THOSE. WE WILL TAKE EACH OF THOSE INDEPENDENTLY. ONE ITEM, THE LAST ITEM SHOWN THERE, THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT. THIS WAS THE DISCUSSION OF THE ALLEYS WITH THE CHANGE OF THE "SHALL" AND THE "MAY" BACK A WHILE AGO. STEVEN HAS BEEN WORKING WITH WEST TAMPA ON THAT. WE DID HAVE A TEXT CHANGE FOR THAT. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT TEXT CHANGE WAS NOT NOTICED FOR TODAY. SO IT IS IN THE PRESENTATION. WE WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT IN CONCEPT TODAY AND WE WERE GOING TO ASK FOR NOVEMBER 17, BUT SINCE IT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA TODAY, WE DID NOT WANT TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON THAT. BUT WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CONTINUES TRAVELING BECAUSE THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO THE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS. IF YOU MAY RECALL WITH A CHANGE THAT HAPPENED THAT SAID, NEW CONSTRUCTION MAY ACCESS AN ALLEY AND NOW IT SAYS "SHALL" AND WE WERE HAVING PEOPLE COME IN AND ASK FOR DESIGN EXCEPTIONS TO NOT ACCESS THE ALLEY. YOU MIGHT RECALL ONE HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK WHERE ALL THE DRIVEWAYS FACE THE STREET AND THE NEW CODE WAS REQUIRING THEM TO THEN ACCESS VIA THE ALLEY AND IT HAD STARTED OTHER DISCUSSION. SO WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL. BUT THAT IS NOT AN AGENDA ITEM. AND, AGAIN, I WILL TAKE T THE MEA CULPA AND ASK FOR THAT ON NOVEMBER 17 BECAUSE IT WAS NOT PROPERLY NOTICED FOR TODAY'S HEA HEARING. AS I MENTIONED TO YOU THE JULY 2022 AMENDMENT CYCLE. IT HAS 12 CHANGES. WE CAME TO YOU IN CONCEPT ON JUNE 3. WE TALKED TO YOU -- JUNE 23. WE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT WHY ARE WE DOING THIS. HOW DOES THIS WORK. AS WE TALK ABOUT EACH ONE, WE WILL GIVE A BRIEF -- A BRIEF REFRESHER ON WHERE WE WERE ON THAT. WE PROVIDED THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN A MEMO. AN MEMO THAT HAD AN EXHIBIT WITH STRIKE-THROUGH UNDERLINE FOR YOU BACK IN MID-SET OF. I CAME TO YOU AND SAID I SENT YOU GUY THIS MEMO. SENDING YOU THE LANGUAGE TODAY. WE WILL COME BACK IN OCTOBER AND TALK ABOUT THIS THEN. I WANTED TO GIVE THE PUBLIC TIME. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU TIME. I WANTED TO GIVE EVERYBODY TIME TO LOOK AT THAT. AND WE HELD THE PUBLIC INFORMATION SESSION. WE ALSO DID GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A BRIEFING. WE HAVE NOT GONE FOR HEARING. THAT HEARING WILL BE MONDAY OF NEXT WEEK DEPENDING ON THE ACTION YOU TAKE TODAY AND SEE WHERE THAT GOES AND HANDLE THAT ACCORDINGLY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. THIS WAS THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS. THIS FIRST STEP WAS JUST ADDRESSING PUBLIC NOTICE FOR SETBACKS. RIGHT NOW IF YOU COME BACK FOR A DESIGN EXCEPTION ANYWHERE IN THE CITY THAT IS NOT IN AN OVERLAY DISTRICT, YOU PROVIDE PUBLIC NOTICE. THIS CHANGE WILL NOW REQUIRE THAT IF YOU ARE IN AN OVERLAY AND COMING IN FOR A SETBACK REDUCTION YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO GIVE PUBLIC NOTICE. AN INCONSISTENCY IN THE CODE AND BROUGHT UP BY MISS SANCHEZ IN A OVERLAY IF YOU ARE DOING A SETBACK REDUCTION, NOBODY IS GETTING NOTICED. WE SAID YOU ARE CORRECT. HERE WE ARE. WE WANT TO MAKE THAT CHANGE IF YOU ARE DOING THE SETBACK REDUCTION IN ANY OF THE OVERLAYS, EAST TAMPA, WEST COMPANY, KENNEDY BOULEVARD OVERLAY, WEST SHORE OVERLAY AND COMING IN ADMINISTRATIVELY FOR THAT REQUEST, YOU WILL NOW PROVIDE PUBLIC NOTICE. WITH 27-49, THE GENERAL NOTICE. THE 250 FEET AND THE MAILING AND THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS WILL BE NOTIFIED. THAT IS THE FIRST CHANGE BEFORE YOU TODAY ITEM NUMBER 1. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? >> JOE ROBINSON. WEST TAMPA. AND VICE-CHAIR OF THE WEST TAMPA CDC ON THIS ONE. I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THIS. SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. WE FOUND THIS OUT WHEN WE WERE GETTING THE SO-CALLED GOOD NEIGHBOR NOTICES, AND THERE WAS AN ISSUE THAT CAME UP THAT WE WEREN'T GETTING THESE DESIGN REVIEWS BECAUSE THEY ARE ADMINISTRATIVELY PRETTY MUCH. THIS WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND GIVE BETTER NOTICE. GOT TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE MONEY IF YOU WANT TO GET NOTICE OUT, BUT IT IS WELL WORTH IT ONCE AGAIN. THANKS FOR MAKING THIS CHANGE. LET'S MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE IN CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU ONLINE? MISS POYNOR? MISS SWIFT, YOU ARE HERE IN CHAMBERS. DID YOU WANT TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT TO THIS AGENDA ITEM? >> NO, THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS BENNETT, ARE YOU ONLINE? MISS BENNETT, ARE YOU ONLINE? >> I'M HERE NOW. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS POYNOR. >> I SUPPORT THIS. I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE REST OF THE CODE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. COTTON FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS BENNETT, ARE YOU THERE? >> HI, CARROLL ANNE PEN NET. I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THIS AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK STAFF FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. THIS IS A GREAT CHANGE. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT CLARITY, THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT NUMBER ONE IS ABOUT? >> YES, SIR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TALKS ABOUT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND ALLOWING SINGLE-FAMILY WINDY MULTIFAMILY TO BE PERMITTED AND DISTRICTS AND SO FORTH. THAT IS NOT HERE? >>ABBYE FEELEY: THAT IS NOT THIS ITEM, NO, SIR. IT IS ON OUR AGENDA BUT NOT ITEM NUMBER 1. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. >> I HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC AND. I AGREE WITH THIS. DO YOU NEED A MOTION AFTER THE DISCUSSION THAT WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THIS. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WAS GOING TO SAY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE WANTS. IT MAKES SENSE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE HE WILL WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE FORWARD ON THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN EXCEPTIONS REGARDING THE SETBACK REDUCTION REQUEST AND PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS IN THE OVERLAY DISTRICT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SO MOVED. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, SECONDED BY GUDES. ROLL CALL VOTE PLEASE. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ITEM NUMBER 3. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU. IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK PLEASE. THE NEXT ITEM AGENDA ITEM # AS JUST MENTIONED. THE CODIFICATION OF THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS. THE DOWNTOWN DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS HAS BEEN IN PROCESS FOR A WHILE. THERE HAS BEEN A PLACE HOLDER IN THE CODE FOR THE CODIFICATION OF THE PROCESS BUT THE PROCESS WAS NEVER CODIFIED. THIS IS THIS SECTION THAT TAKES A PROCESS WE HAVE BEEN DOING NOW FOR SEVERAL YEARS. WHEN THE DOWNTOWN CODE WAS UPDATED TO BE A FORM-BASED TYPE CODE. IT HAD AN MOTHER'S DAY ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS WHEN A PROJECT COMES THROUGH TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE FORM-BASED OBJECTIVES. THIS NOW CODIFIES THAT CODE SECTION AND INDICATES WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS. WHAT DO YOU NEED TO PROVIDE. HOW IS THAT BEING PROVIDED. AND TALKS TO THE REVIEW PROCESS AND ANY APPEAL TO THAT PROCESS. THAT IS ITEM NUMBER 3. >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAIRMAN HE ABOUTS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM NUMBER 3, FILE NUMBER 27 CHAPTER 27. >> JOE ROBINSON, TAMPA, FLORIDA. SINCE I MIGHT BE GETTING PROPERTY DOWNTOWN. THIS IS NECESSARY BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME VACANT LOTS DOWNTOWN. AND WHAT WE NEED IN THE CITY, YOU ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING TODAY. YOU ARE GETTING THIS THING TOGETHER. YOU ARE CODIFYING IT. BACK WHEN CHARLIE WAS AROUND, YOU KNOW, THIS STUFF WAS LIKE WALK OVER HERE AND DO THAT. BUT THIS WILL MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY COMING INTO TOWN, DOWNTOWN, THAT YOU ARE PART OF A CODE, YOU HAVE AN APPEAL RIGHT AND YOU CAN DO THAT. SO THIS IS JUST CLEANING UP, YOU KNOW, AND MAKING THINGS MORE TRANSPARENT. THIS IS A TRANSPARENCY MOVE AND LET'S EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT ARE. DEFINITELY WE SUPPORT IT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU. I DO NOT SEE ANYBODY ONLINE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3. ANY COUNCILMEMBERS? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS LONG AS IT IS NOT ANY NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE BEING ADDED. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS FEELEY, DO YOU NEED A MOTION. >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES, PLEASE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION. >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ROLL CALL TO VOTE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU, COUNCIL. ABBYE FEELEY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4 IS ALSO IN CONCEPT A CODE CLEANUP. SORRY. THERE ARE -- A RECENTLY PRIVATELY INITIATED TEXT AMENDMENT DONE BY MR. MICHELINI ADDRESSED TOWN HOME DESIGN. AND THIS TALKED ABOUT ALLOWING RESIDENCES TO FACE INTERIOR COURTS RATHER THAN STREETS RIGHT-OF-WAY. YOU SEE THIS A LOT IN A LOT OF PDs. MOST FAMILIAR ARE THE LETTER CASHIERS THAT CAME RECENTLY. TWO PLACES IN THE CODE WHERE THESE TOWN HOME DESIGN STANDARDS EXIST. ONE IS FOR SINGLE-FAMILY DESIGNED ATTACHED STANDARS. FEE SIMPLE TOWN HOMES. THE SECOND IS FOR MULTIFAMILY TOWN HOME STYLE. THOSE ARE RENTALS WHEN NOT PLATTED. MR. MICHELINI'S AMENDMENT CHANGED ONE OF THOSE TWO, BUT NOT THE OTHER. SO STAFF WAS MAKING THIS CHANGE IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT THE CODE WAS CONSISTENT FOR EITHER RENTAL TYPE TOWN HOME OR FEE OWNERSHIP TOWN HOME IN TERMS OF DESIGN. THAT IS ALL THAT THIS AMENDMENT IS DOING. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T SUPPORT THIS. I DON'T THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA. IF WE DON'T MAKE THEM -- MAKE DEVELOPERS FOCUS ON THE STREET, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. SO NOT ONLY DO I NOT LIKE THIS. I DON'T BELIEVE I WAS THERE FOR THAT OTHER AMENDMENT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT ONE BACK. THAT IS MY PERSONAL STANCE ON THIS. I DO NOT AGREE WITH THIS AT ALL. PEOPLE WHO HAVE TOWN HOMES AND SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, DEVELOPERS JUST NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF MAKING THEM FIT IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD INSTEAD OF JUST SHOVE IN ON A LOT. IF WE ALLOW THIS, THEN WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SHOVE THINGS IN ON A LOT. AND I JUST DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT AND EXACTLY WHAT I AM HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC. EVERYONE IS SAYING ABSOLUTELY N NOT. WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE STREET FACING AND INTERACTION WITH THE TREAT. NOW WHAT THAT MIGHT REQUIRE IS CHANGE -- I KNOW A LOT OF THIS HAPPENS BECAUSE OF OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR GREEN SPACE AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. IF WE ARE ADDING TOWN HOMES AND DENSITY, I THINK GREEN SPACE -- THE WAY THEY HAVE BEEN PUTTING THEM IN LOOKS WRONG. IT DOESN'T FIT. IF YOU LOOK ON FLORIDA AVENUE MOST RECENTLY, THERE IS SOME DEVELOPMENT NORTH OF FLORIBRASKA THEY PUT SEVEN MAGNOLIA NEXT TO EACH OTHER. AYE, THEY ARE ALL GOING TO DIE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE, BUT NO CONNECTIVITY TO THAT STREET. HOW DO WE WORK ON THAT? HOW DO WE CHANGE THE LANDSCAPE DESIGN OR THE GREEN SPACE, RATHER, SO THAT THOSE CAN FACE THE STREET MORE WELCOMINGLY, MORE CLOSE TO THE STREET MAYBE. JUST LOOK AT THINGS DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE. PEOPLE MOSTLY HATE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST NOT CONNECTING. I THINK WE CAN DO -- I THINK WE CAN ALL DO A BETTER JOB. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SUPPORT WHAT COULD COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS SAYING. YOU LOOK AT COMMUNITIES AND YOU HAVE OF A BUILDING WITH A WALL AND EVERYTHING IS INSIDE -- IT DOESN'T FIT NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I AM NOT A SUPPORTER OF THIS EITHER. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE IN CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4. >> JOE ROBINSON, TAMPA, FLORIDA. I HAPPEN TO HAVE A TOWN HOUSE ATTACHED ON -- RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME BUT FACES THE STREET THERE WAS TALK TO PUT FOUR OVER THERE AND WE FOUGHT THAT AND THANKS TO ABBY, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE RM-16. AND SO THIS ISSUE OF FACING THE STREET IS REALLY GOOD, BECAUSE ONE THING IS, HOW IS AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE GOING TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GOING. THEY ARE LOOKING FOR ADDRESSES WITH THE AMBULANCES COMING. YOU HAVE MULTIPLE UNITS LIKE THE ONE ON FLORIDA AVENUE. I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THE STREET. AND IF SOMEBODY REALLY WANTS TO CHANGE IT, THERE ARE WAYS TO ASK FOR WAIVERS AND WAYS TO GET THINGS DONE, BUT THAT WILL BE MORE LIKE A ONE-OFF INSTEAD OF IT BEING AN AUTOMATIC AND THAT IS PROBABLY WHAT THE ISSUE THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE ONE-OFF PROCESS. I AM NOT SUPPORTING THIS FROM EITHER, BECAUSE I GOT ONE IN FRONT OF ME THAT HAS BEEN PUT ON A 75--FOOT LOT CHARLIE. AND DOING A GREAT DEVELOPMENT. BUT A SCAGLIONE LOT, SIT ON FOUR, FIVE LOTS. THE GUY WOULD HAVE JAMMED IT IN THERE AND WHAT HAPPENS IS I HAVE PARKING ISSUES AND PARKING PATROLMAN ACROSS THE STREET. THE ONLY THING I WILL SAY IS THEY TOOK UP THAT CURB. THAT 18-INCH BY 24-INCH GRANITE CURB, CHARLIE, ON A STREET AND NO MORE CURB AND DRIVEWAYS -- I ASKED THEM WHERE THE CURB -- I THINK I LEFT A MESSAGE WITH YOU MISS ABBYE AND NOBODY SAID WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE. AND STORAGE FOR FUTURE USE BY THE CITY OF TAMPA. I AM GOING TO START ENFORCING THAT IN WEST TAMPA PAUSE A NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THE ELEMENT GO AND THE SCAGLIONE HOUSE. THE TOWN HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET -- SELLING ONE SIDE FOR $750,000. NO WE ARE NOT ADRYING TO THIS -- AT LEAST I DON'T AGREE TO THIS. AND PEOPLE I TALK TO DON'T AGREE WITH THIS. LIKE A DEVELOPER GETTING A SLICK WILLIE WAY TO GET AROUND HAVING TO ASK FOR A WAIVER. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. NATHAN HAGAN. THIS IS A VERY EWANCED NOT VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. BUT I WILL CALL OUT THAT I THINK IT IS STRANGE THAT WE ARE REGULATING RENTAL TYPE UNITS DIFFERENTLY THAN THESE PLATTED OWNED PARCELS. I THINK THAT THE FACT THERE ARE A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE. AND THAT IS PART OF THE CODE IS VERY CONCERNING TO ME. AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT ADDRESSED. I DON'T CARE WHICH DIRECTION THAT WE GO. BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT A THEME IN THE COMMENTS IN ISSUES LIKE THIS. THAT THERE IS BASICALLY -- THIS IS, AGAIN, ME BEING A LITTLE FACETIOUS, A WAR ON TOWN HOMES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE WHO OWN SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ARE FIGHTING TOWN HOMES EVERY CORNER, EVERY OPPORTUNITY THEY HAVE. IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT QUADPLEXES, IF THAT DOESN'T GET BUMP FROM THAT WORKSHOP. WE CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING BUT TOWN HOMES IF YOU WERE NOT BUILDING AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR SINGLE-FAMILY. SO THE MORE WE ARE DISCOURAGING TOWN HOMES AND NOT MAKING PROGRESS ON ANY OTHER TYPE. WE ARE NOT MOVING FORWARD AT ALL. IN FACT WE ARE MOVING BACKWARDS. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, BUT CONSIDER THE BROADER CONTEXT OF WHAT WE ARE DOING TO FIGHT TOWN HOMES AND MAKE NOTHING PROGRESS. SPENDING ALL THAT TIME FIGHTING TOWN HOMES AND MAKING NO PROGRESS ON OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE HOUSING. ALSO WHAT STANDARD DOES IT SET TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE A CITY COUNCIL THAT DOESN'T LIKE TOWN HOMES. AND WE ARE GOING TO -- YOU KNOW, THE REASON PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING THESE IS NOT JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE -- THEY ARE NOT FACING THE STREET BECAUSE EVERY DOOR CAN'T FACE THE STREET ON ANY TYPE OF HOUSING THAT EXISTS. THAT IS KIND CAN OF CONVOLUTED. BUT A BIGGER CONTEXT HERE WHEN I SEE THESE KIND OF ITEMS. SO THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU. MISS POYNOR, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4. >> YES, SIR, I DO. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS THE ANDRE THE GIANT SUBMISSION. BECAUSE THAT IS THE KIND OF DENSITY -- AND I AM NOT EVEN AGAINST THE TOWN HOUSES. BUT WHEN YOU ARE TALK OF 35 FEET ON TOP OF BEING BUILT UP 10 FEET, YOU HAVE A HUGE BUILDING SEVEN FEET FROM SOMEBODY'S NEXT DOOR. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I SENT YOU GUY AS DATA SET FOR THE LAST FOUR EVENING MEETINGS ATTACHED TO ONE OF MY E-MAILS. OF THOSE 24% WERE MISNOTICED. GO FIGURE. 37 AND MOST OF THEM DIRECTLY APPLIED TO THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS 12 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND 36 TOWN HOUSES. THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL. THEY ARE DUPLEXES. THEY ARE NOT 35 FEET HIGH. THEY DID A FABULOUS JOB SETTING THEM ON SMALLER LOTS. IT CAN BE DONE. I WILL ALSO OFFER THAT CASA BELLA CIRCLE IS AN EXAMPLE TO HAVE INWARD-FACING PROPERTIES. TO GIVE CART BLANCHE, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE PASSED IN THE FIRST PLACE AND I WOULD ALSO OFFER IF TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME I WOULD EXPECT THAT IT THE SAME DEVELOPMENT REPRESENTATIVE THAT GOT IT PASSED BEFORE PROBABLY MISNOTICED ON MOST OF THESE. YOU GUYS GO FIGURE WHO IS THE MISNOTICED AND WHO WANTS IT THE MOST, BUT I HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW THAT IS A MISNOTICED WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION WHERE THEY WILL BACK UP WITH A SINGLE-FAMILY 1970s HOUSE THAT IS ONE-STORY. AND THESE PEOPLE WILL BE LOOKING 45 FEET UP AT THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR TO THEM. THAT IS JUST NOT STARE. IT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. EVERY 15-YEAR-OLD DOESN'T NEED TO DRIVE AUTOMATICALLY. THERE IS A PARENT IN THE ROOM FOR THAT. SO THAT NEEDS TO BE THE CASE ON THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU. MISS BENNETT, ARE YOU THERE? >> HI, I AM CARROLL ANN BENNETT. BASICALLY I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID. AND I ALSO AGREE THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THAT CAN BE DONE. AND THOSE CAN BE DEALT WITH LIKE WHAT STEPHANIE TALKED ABOUT THE CASA BELLA, BUT CART BLANCHE IS NOT THE WAY TO GO. AND I DON'T THINK -- AND I AGREE WITH NATHAN. SHOULDN'T BE DIFFERENT. BUT I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE CHANGE THIS WAY. THE ONE THAT WAS CHANGED SHOULD BE CHANGED BACK. I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS THE WHOLE ISSUE OF MISSING MIDDLE. PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE MISSING MIDDLE IN THE CITY IS THAT ALL THE RESIDENCE THAT ARE BEING TORN DOWN CONTINUE TO CREATE GIGANTIC McMANSIONS FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES WHERE AVERAGE PEOPLE CAN AFFORD IT AND THEY ARE BEING TORN DOWN AND EVERY APARTMENT NOW IS TWO OR THREE TIMES THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE ORIGINAL. NO ADDITIONAL UNITS. THEY ARE NOT INCREASING DENSITY. THEY ARE JUST MAKING EACH ONE GRANDER. THE HEIGHT, YOU ARE MAXIMIZING ARE ASKING FOR EXCEPTIONS SO THEY CAN HAVE THESE CATHEDRAL CEILINGS AND TAKING THIS MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AND REPLACING WITH LUXURY HOUSING. THE BOOK BY JANE JACOBS, ONE OF THE THINGS SHE TALKS ABOUT WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT YOU NEED TO HAVE A MIX OF OLD AND NEW. AND THE OLD IS BEING ELIMINATED IN THIS CITY. A SINGLE EXAMPLE BEING CAME BEFORE VRB, A WELL-MAINTAINED MODEST THREE BEDROOM HOUSE AND THEY BULLDOZED IT DOWN AND WANTED TO BUILD A SIX-BEDROOM HOUSE ON A 50 X 100 LOT AND NEED VARIANCE TO DO THAT. BE WITH WOULD HAVE SAID I WOULD HAVE PURCHASE THAT OLD HOME. THIS SIX-BEDROOM HOUSE IS OUT OF MY PRICE RANGE AND RUINING THE NEIGHBORHOODS. WE NEED THESE OLDER APARTMENT COMPLEXES. WE NEED THESE OLDER DUPLEXES. WE NEED THESE OLDER SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE MODEST AND AFFORDABLE AND ALL BEING ILLUMINATED IN LUXURY OF GIGANTIC HOUSING AND THAT IS A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBERS, COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS? COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY NOT AN ISSUE FOR ME OF DISLIKING TOWN HOMES, I THINK THEY ARE NOT RIGHT FOR EVERY LOT AND WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT FACT. NOT TOWN HOMES BUT THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT NAMES. INSTEAD OF THREE STORIES FOR EACH TOWN HOME, ONE FOR EACH LEVEL THAT GO -- SO MANY THINGS -- THE MISSING MIDDLE THAT I KNOW WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THE IDEA OF SQUEEZING THESE IN THIS WAY JUST DOESN'T WORK. SO THAT -- AND I HAVE A MOTION IF -- >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I AGREE WITH THE COMMENT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID JUST NOW AND ALSO BEFORE. TO NATHAN'S POINT. HE BRINGS A LOT OF THOUGHTS AND GOOD IDEAS. I AM DEFINITELY NOT AGAINST TOWN HOMES. I DON'T THINK THIS BOARD IS. I WILL JUST SPEAK FOR MYSELF FOR A SECOND. I THINK THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT DEVELOPERS AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVES APPROACH THESE. THIS THEY COME IN AND FIT THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENT AND THEY WANT SMALL CHANGES AND CONSISTENT WITH THE SIZE, SCALE AND IN SOME CASES THE DESIGN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T OBJECT TO IT AT ALL. THEY REFUSE TO TALK TO THE COMMUNITY AND COME IN WITH -- I AM USING WORST-CASE SCENARIO, SUBURBAN DESIGN AND A BIG BOX THAT IS TALL, OUT OF SCALE. AND THEY TRY TO GET ALL THOSE VARIANCES. THOSE ARE THE CASE THAT HAVE PROBLEMS. ALSO IF YOU CAN PUT FIVE UNITS AND WANT TO PUT TEN, YOU MIGHT RUN INTO APPROXIMATE. SO IF FOLKS ARE REASONABLE AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WORK WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF THE LAW AND THE EXISTING GUIDANCE AND WANT SMALL EXCEPTIONS, WE APPROVE THEM ALL THE TIME. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ONE THAT PASSED IS 9 AND 10. >>ABBYE FEELEY: IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK FOR A MOMENT. I DID HAVE THE SLIDE THAT WENT THROUGH THE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED STANDARDS. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, THANK YOU. >>ABBYE FEELEY: I HAVE THE ONE THAT IS THE MULTI FAMILY STANDARDS. AND THE CURREN LANGUAGE THAT SAID THE GROUND FLOOR ENTRANCES, FRONT DOORS TO THE DWELLING UNITS SHALL FACE A STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY NOT INCLUDING ALLEYS RATHER THAN THE SIDE OR CORNER LOT LINES. ENTRANCES MAY FACE INTERIOR COURTS, PLAZAS OR SIMILAR DESIGN ELEMENT WITH THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE ALTERNATE DESIGN BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. WE HAVE PROPOSED THAT THOSE DWELLING UNITS MAY FACE THE SIDE LOT LINES PROVIDED THAT THOSE THAT FACE THE STREET HAVE TO HAVE ENTRANCES, WINDOWS, PORCH AND OTHER ARCHITECTURAL EMBELLISHMENT ALONG THAT PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE. AND THEN THIS WAS THE ONE THAT WAS CHANGED BY MR. MICHELINI. BECAUSE NOW YOU SEE IT NO LONGER SA SAYS AS AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN THROUGH THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. THAT NUMBER 1 THERE, THAT IS THE ONE THAT HAD RECENTLY BEEN MODIFIED. AND THEN WE DID HAVE THE DIAGRAM TO SHOW THAT ON THESE, WHAT HAPPENS IS, THEY COULD BUILD THOSE FIRST TWO ON THE FAR RIGHT THAT ARE ON THE STREET AND THEN THEY WILL NEED THE EXCEPTION FOR THE REMAINING EIGHT UNIT REMAINING EIGHT UNITS THAT ARE SHOWN UP THERE. SO IF IT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL TO KEEP THE CODE THE WAY IT IS OOLT THAT THE DESIGN COMING BEFORE COUNCIL FOR PD. WE NEED TO GO BACK AND MODIFY THE ONE THAT WAS RECENTLY DONE TO PUT IT BACK TO THE WAY THAT WAS. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS MY FIRST MOTION FOR STAFF TO COME BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE TO RESCIND 27-282.9. -- 10. SORRY, 10. AND THEN ALSO MY SECOND MOTION -- WELL, I GUESS I NEED TO DO THAT ONE FIRST. ANYBODY? >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE VOICE VOTES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- EXCUSE ME, ANY COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. IS THERE ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. >>LYNN HURTAK: MY OTHER ONE IS A MOTION FOR STAFF TO COME BACK WITH IDEAS TO ENCOURAGE TOWN HOUSE-STYLE HOMES TO FACE THE STREET, POSSIBLY AT LOOKING AT REDUCING GREEN SPACE AND LOOKING AT SOME DESIGN STANDARDS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR THAT, BUT I THINK A LOT OF WHAT I AM HEARING FROM MY COLLEAGUES AND FROM THE PUBLIC TODAY THAT THEY DON'T FIT. I KNOW IF WE HAVE SOME DESIGN STANDARDS, THAT COULD HELP. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY COMMENTS? ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: LET ME COMMENT REAL FAST. THIS COUNCIL DIDN'T APPROVE IT BUT TOWN HOMES BUILT IN HYDE PARK THE LAST 10 TO 15 YEARS. THEY LOOK LIKE SINGLE-FAMILY AND FOUR UNITS INSIDE IT. AND DESIGN IT IN THE ARC IN A WAY THAT YOU CAN'T TELL. THE POINT IS, THERE IS A WAY TO GET DENSITY WHILE BEING SENSITIVE TO THE SURROUNDING AREA. IF YOU CAN DO IT IN HYDE PARK IN A SENSITIVE WAY TO GET THEIR APPROVAL. YOU CAN DO IT IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, EAST TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, THEY HAVE UNIQUE ARCHITECTURE AND NOT PLOP IN BIG SUBURBAN BIG BOXES. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I NOTICED IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE ITSELF. IF YOU CAN GO ONE BACK, TWO BACK. OBVIOUSLY WE SHOULD TRY TO MAKE THESE SIMILAR. WE SHOULD TRY TO HAVE THESE MIRROR EACH OTHER. ONE THING I DON'T LIKE IN THE CURRENT LANGUAGE IS SAYS "GROUND FLOOR ENTRANCES TO THE DWELLING UNIT SHALL FACE THE STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY AND NOT INCLUDING ALLEYS." I THINK IF WE REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT DENSITY AND CONCLUSION OF THINGS, WHY CAN'T THEY FACE THE ALLEY? >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE COME BACK. A LONG HISTORY AND WHAT HAPPENED IN COURIER CITY OSCAWANA WHEN GOING IN THAT WAY. ALLEYS TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF CAPACITY AND ARE NOT DESIGNED IN THE WAY THAT A STREET IS DESIGNED AND THEY HAVE ACTIVITY GOING ON IN THE ALLEY THAT IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO THE ENTRIES OF THE UNITS OCCURRING THERE. WE HAVE PRESENTATIONS THAT I AM HAPPY TO SHARE REQUEST WITH YOU OF -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY THE OBLITERATION OF OUR ALLEYS, BUT THE OTHER THING IS WHEN I -- WHEN MERMT OR FIRE COMES DOWN AND YOU ARE HAVING A HEART ATTACK, YOU CAN'T BE ADDRESSED OFF AN ALLEY. SO THEY ARE GOING TO THE FRONT OF YOUR UNIT. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF FACETS RELATED TO THAT AND I AM HAPPY TO GET INTO THAT WHEN WE COME BACK AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED. >>LYNN HURTAK: I ALSO -- BUT I THINK THAT IS A LARGER DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE ABOUT ALLEYS. WE ALREADY HAVE THE ALLEYS. THEY ARE THERE. WE DON'T MAINTAIN THEM. WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO WITH OUR ALLEYS. IF WE ARE REALLY TALKING OF DENSITY AND INCREASING, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERY POSSIBLE WAY. AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT ANY BIG CITY, YOU WILL SEE PEOPLE WHO COME -- WHO HAVE RESIDENCES OFF OF ALLEYS. I DON'T THINK THAT HISTORY AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN AN ALLEY BEFORE IS WHAT SHOULD STOP US. YES, I KNOW THAT COSTS MONEY AND THAT TAKES TIME. BUT SOMETHING THAT LONGER TERM THIS CITY REALLY NEEDS TO LOOK AT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE SUCH DEEP LOTS AND PART OF THE ISSUE OF THE TOWN HOMES IF WE CAN JUST HAVE FOUR PLACE THAT HAVE ALLEYS, WHY CAN'T THEY FACE AN ALLEY. GO TO, THEY HAVE FULL-ON HOUSES THAT FAISALIES, AND YES, THEY HAD TO WORK TO MAKE THEIR ALLIES BETTER BUT THEY ARE NOT VERY MUCH BIGGER THAN OURS. I WILL SAY THAT. I WOULD LOVE A FURTHER DISCUSSION ON HOW TO MAKE ALLEYS INVITING. AND THIS MAY BE SOMETHING FOR MUCH FURTHER IN THE FUTURE, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THAT IDEA THERE. I WOULD LOVE TO TAKE AWAY NOT INCLUDING ALLEY FROM THAT LANGUAGE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I VOTE AGAIN THE ALLEY APPLICATIONS. IN SOME AREAS IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. WE NEED A BETTER ALLEY MAINTENANCE PROGRAM BECAUSE WE HAVE TREES BLOCKING THEM. AND -- AND GARBAGE TRUCKS REFUSE TO GO TO CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS PAUSE OF IT. BUT MY OLD HOUSE IN HYDE PARK, I DIDN'T BUILD IT. IT WAS A 1921 HOUSE, BUT THE GARAGE WAS BUILT FACING THE ALLEY, AND ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS WENT IN AND OUT THROUGH THE ALLEY. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SOME KIND OF DWELLING UNIT ABOVE THEIR GARAGE. YOU TALK OF ADUs. YOU NEED TO PUT THE PARKING IN BACK AND DESIGN STANDARDS MOSTLY IN CITIES ARE PUTTING PARKING IN BACK INSTEAD OF DESIGNING THE STREET LEVEL TO BE HEAVY ON GARAGES. IT'S INVITING TO PEOPLE. AND YOU PUT THE GARAGE IN THE BACK. SO ALL OF THAT LEADS TO BETTER ALLEYS, THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I LOOK AT PUBLIC SAFETY IN ALLEYWAYS. ALLEYWAYS ARE HORRIBLE IN TAMPA. GARBAGE MEN, MANY, MANY MOONS GO, MR. MIRANDA, USED TO GO THROUGH THAT. TRUCKS ARE BIGGER NOW. CARS ARE BIGGER NOW. 37 AND THEY ARE NOT MAINTAINED. IF YOU TALK OF ALLEYWAYS, LOOK AT MAINTENANCE PLAN FOR AN ALLEY. ONE, ANYWAY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SUPPORT DOWN THE ROAD I CAN SEE A GARAGE IN THE BACK OF THE ALLEY BUT A PLACE FACING AN ALLEY AESTHETICALLY AND THE COMMUNITY, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT BUT I CAN SEE UTILIZING THAT. BUT AS FAR AS THE DESIGN, HAVING AN ALLEY AND A FRONT DOOR FACING OUT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT. BUT I KNOW FOR ONE, PUBLIC SAFETY WILL BE A KEY GOAL FOR ME WHEN TALKING OF AN ALLEY. THE FIRE TRUCK AND SOME OF THE CARS CAN'T GET THROUGH THE ALLEYS. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, COUNCILMAN GUDES. ALLEYS FOR THAT TIME WERE FOR BARGAIN TRUCKS THAT GO BY. FOUR INDIVIDUALS, IT WASN'T THAT WIDE, LONG OR HEAVY. MAYBE IT CARRY A FIFTH OF WHAT WE CARRY NOW. A DRIVER, TWO THROWERS AND ONE CATCHER. AND THEY WOULD THROW AND EVERY -- AND EVERY DAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DIDN'T BREAK THEIR BACKS BUT EVIDENTLY THEY SURVIVED AND WHAT WE HAVE NOW ARE MONSTROUS TRUCKS NOT EVEN COMPARABLE TO WHAT WE HAD. WHAT WE HAD THEN COMPARED TO NOW IS LIKE HAVING A MINI CAR HALF THE SIZE OF A VOLKSWAGEN COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE THAT TAKES OUT TONS AND TONS OF IT AND TAKES IT TO THE PLANT TO GET BURNED AND EXPOSED OF. THINGS HAVE CHANGED. THE ALLEYS HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY BIGGER. MOST OF THE ALLEYS IN YBOR CITY ARE THERE. A LOT OF THEM IN WEST TAMPA, DO A STUDY, 50% DON'T HAVE AN ALLEY. CLOSED YEARS AGO AND THE OTHER PERCENT HAS AN ALLEY THAT CANNOT MAKE A TURN INTO THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE WIDTH OF THE ALLEY. I AM NOT SAYING ALL OF THEM CAN'T MAKE A TURN BUT MOST OF THEM I DON'T BELIEVE CAN A MOTION. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT COUNCIL TO THINK OF THIS BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT ADUs. WHERE DO THEY FACE? THOSE ENTRY DOORS FACE THE ALLEY FOR THE MOST PART. WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS. THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH -- A LOT OF THEM CAN. THE NEIGHBORHOODS I AM IN ARE ADU. THE FRONT DOOR FACES THE ALLEY. SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD NOT -- I THINK WE SHOULD DISCUSS THIS MORNING BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE ADUs WILL FACE THAT IS WHERE OUR PARKING IN WITH THE ALLEY. MULTIPLE ADUs IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ACTUALLY ENTER FROM THE ALLEY. AND THOSE CITIZENS -- I MEAN IT KIND OF FEELS LIKE WE ARE -- DON'T THEY DESERVE A GOOD FRONT SPACE TOO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: PUBLIC OUGHT TO KNOW WHAT ADUs ARE. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ALREADY HAVE -- WE ALREADY HAVE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS THAT FACE THE ALLEY. SO I -- I THINK THAT EXPANDING THAT ISN'T OUTSIDE OF OF THE REALM OF WHAT IS OCCURRING IN THE CITY. SO ANYWAY. >> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. MISS FEELEY. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN GUDES, I BELIEVE. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I AM GOING TO VOTE YES ON THIS. BUT YOU TOUCHED ONE ON ONE THING PERMEABLE SPACE TAKING AWAY GREEN SPACE. WE HAVE CONSTITUENTS OUT THERE CALLING OUR OFFICES ABOUT FLOODING THAT COME FROM ANOTHER BUILDING ON TO THEIR PROPERTY OR EXCESSIVE FLOODING THAT RUNS OFF OF HOUSING THAT IS TOO BIG FOR THE LOT INTO THEIR STREETS. SO I AM GOING TO VOTE WITH YOU ON THIS ONE, BUT I WANT TO BRING THIS UP IN FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN IF I EVER SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DO WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION ABOUT ALLEYS BUT I WANT TO WORK WITH STEVEN ON THAT. I AM NOT QUITE SURE OF TIMING AND THE DEPTH OF DISCUSSION ABOUT ALLEYS. I WANT TO SAY I WILL LIKE TO BRING THAT FORWARD IN A FUTURE MEETING I WILL HAVE A MOTION ABOUT HAVING A DEEPER DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR ALLEYS. >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU. ABBYE FEELEY. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5 IS TO DISCUSS THE ABILITY FOR SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL TO BECOME A PERMITTED USE IN OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. RIGHT NOW -- OOPS, I WENT THE WRONG WAY. SORRY. RIGHT NOW, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED IS PERMITTED IN OUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AS S-1. A SPECIAL USE 1. TWO CRITERIA THAT GO WITH THEM. SO IF YOU ARE IN A COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT APARTMENTS IN, YOU COULD COME IN THROUGH AND ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS AND THERE ARE TWO CRITERIA THAT GO WITH THAT PROCESS. THE FIRST IS YOU ARE ON AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR AND FOLLOW THE RM-24 STANDARDS. THE RESIDENTIAL 24 STANDARDS. YOU MEET THOSE TWO CRITERIA YOU ARE APPROVABLE AS A PERMITTED USE WITNESS THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE OF A COMMERCIAL PIECE OF PROPERTY ON SOUTH FLORIDA AVENUE. AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP THAT WITH A FIVE-STORY APARTMENT BUILDING. YOU COME INTO ZONING. IT COMES AS A CONTINUAL USE. YOU BRING A SITE PLAN. YOU SHOW THAT YOU MEET THOSE TWO CONDITIONS. ONE THAT YOU ARE ON AN ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR STREET AND TWO THAT YOU MEET THE RM-24 STANDARDS. WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY IS TO MAKE THAT TO ALLOW IT AS A SPECIFIED LOOK. AND DO HAVE CRITERIA FOR THE APARTMENT BUILDING TO COME IN AND WILL NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PROCESS. IT WILL GO THROUGH PERMITTING. THIS IS A PROCESS IMPROVEMENT TO TRY TO MAKE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES A LITTLE BIT MORE AVAILABLE FOR THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. SO THE -- AND, AGAIN, FEEDING BACK TO THE INVENTORY AND THE AVAILABLE LAND TO CREATE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE CITY SO -- -- I WILL GO THROUGH THAT. AND THIS WILL BE EITHER TOWN HOME OR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL. AND THIS WILL BE FOR THE RO, WHICH WILL BE RESIDENTIAL OFFICE, THE RO-1, THE OP, OFFICE PROFESSIONAL OP-1, CG, COMMERCIAL GENERAL C-I COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE DISTRICT. HERE IS THE CODE WITH WHAT I WENT OVER. DIRECT ACCESS TO THE ARTERIAL COLLECTOR AND THE RM-24 STANDARDS A 25-FOOT FRONT, A 15-FOOT REAR AND SEVEN-FOOT SIDES. AND ALSO ON THE RM-24, ONCE YOU GET OVER 35 FEET, YOU HAVE TO STEP THE BUILDING IN ADDITIONAL SETBACK. THOSE CRITERIA THAT ARE THERE AS A SPECIAL USE WILL BE SPECIALIZED USE CRITERIA. WILL SAY WHEN YOU ARE DOING MULTIFAMILY IN A NONRESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT THESE WILL BE THE CRITERIA THAT YOU WILL FOLLOW. THE FIRST IS WHEN YOU ARE LOCATED IN AN OFFICE AND OR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, YOU WILL MEET THE DIMENSIONAL REGULATIONS OF THE YUVEND LYING ZONING DISTRICT -- UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT THE SIDE AND REAR YARDS WHICH IS NO LESS THAN TEN FOOT. WHICH MEANS IN A COMMERCIAL GENERAL THAT CURRENTLY HAS A TEN-FOOT SETBACK FOR THE FRONT THAT YOU CAN ALSO BENEFIT FROM HAVING THAT TEN-FOOT SETBACK AND PICKING UP THOSE ADDITIONAL 15 FEET OF LAND TO BE ABLE TO DESIGN ON THE PROPERTY. IT ACTUALLY WILL RESULT IN THE PROJECT COMING CLOSER UP TO THE STREET MOST LIKELY WHEN RIGHT NOW IT FORCES IT TO BE 25 FEET BACK. IT WILL BE CREATING MORE OF THAT PUBLIC REALM. THE SECOND IS THAT ANY VARIANCES TO HEIGHT AND SETBACK MAY BE GRANTED BY THE APPROPRIATE BOARD OR COMMISSION. AND THE THIRD IS THAT THE DENSITY WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE UNDERLYING FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: GLAD WE BROUGHT THAT UP. THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT. LET YOU GO UP. HOW DO WE BENEFIT. HOW DO WE BENEFIT AS FAR AS, WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS. MISS TRAVIS, MAYBE YOU CAN JUMP IN ON THAT. I KNOW WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON TH THAT. HERE SHE COMES. HOW DO WE BENEFIT? HOW DO WE PUT SOMETHING IN TO MAKE SURE WE ARE BENEFITING WHEN WE ARE DOING A LOT OF THIS STUFF. I KNOW PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GOT A BENEFIT OUT OF IT. HOW DO WE BENEFIT. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: HOW DO YOU BENEFIT AS SPECIFIED USE? >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT AND GOING UP. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: OH, THE DENSITY -- GOING UP. WELL -- GOING -- JUST INCREASING YOUR DENSITY OVERALL, WE ALREADY HAVE OUR HOUSING SHORTAGE, CORRECT. AND SO IT IS NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHORTAGE. JUST HOUSING SHORTAGE OVERALL. SO WHEN YOU HAVE MIXED USE DENSITIES GOING UP, IT ALLOWS YOU TO GET MORE UNITS IN A SMALLER PIECE -- SMALLER SPACE. TAMPA IS PRETTY MUCH BUILT OUT. SO ANY PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE ARE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. YOU GO HIGHER IN DENSITY. MORE UNITS. IS THAT GENERALLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND TRYING TO WORK WITH PEOPLE COMING IN TO SEE IF THEY CAN HELP US WITH THIS SITUATION. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: SO YOU HAVE OPTIONS WHEN YOU HAVE -- GETS A LITTLE INTO YOUR FUTURE LAND USE AND GETS INTO THE HEIGHT LIMITATIONS AND WE HAVE CAPS ON CERTAIN AREAS BUT THINGS THAT YOU WANT AS A COUNCIL THAT YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT, HOUSING AFFORDABILITY BEING ONE OF THEM. START LOOKING HOW DO YOU NCENTIVIZE AFFORDABILITY IN DOING -- TAKING THE CAP OFF IN CERTAIN AREAS. CHANNELSIDE IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WITH A 7 F.A.R. IF YOU WANT TO ALLOW THAT TO GO HIGHER. WE BENEFIT AS A COMMUNITY TO TAKE THE CAP OFF AND HAVE THEM DO ADDITIONAL DENSITY WITH REGARDS TO HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: STATEMENT AND A QUESTION. WE ARE IN A HOUSING CRISIS JUST LIKE MOST OF THE REESE OF THE COUNTRY OR PARTS OF THE COUNTRY THAT PEOPLE ARE MOVING TO. BUT ALSO IN AN ECONOMIC CRISIS. TAMPA HAS BEEN IN AN ECONOMIC CRISIS FOR 10, 11 YEARS AND BEFORE THAT THE GREAT RECESSION AND WE PAINT A PRETTY PICTURE HOW TAMPA IS DOING BECAUSE THE REGION IS DOING WELL. BUT GO TO -- IF YOU WANT GO TO THE CENSUS DATA YOURSELF. TAMPA HAS NOT DONE WELL. WE FAILED ECONOMICALLY IN THE LAST 11 YEARS. WE HAVE GONE SIDEWAYS COMPARED TO CITIES LIKE CHARLOTTE, AUSTIN AND ATLANTA THAT GREW THEIR ECONOMIES AND DISPARITIES BETWEEN RICH AND POOR, BLACK AND WHITE AND MEN AND WOMEN ARE TERRIBLE. OUR HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE IS TERRIBLE. MY POINT IS THAT WE HAVE TO GROW OUR ECONOMY. WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE TEN YEARS OF SUBSIDIZING A COUPLE OF DEVELOPERS AGAINST EVERYBODY ELSE. WASN'T FAIR TO EVERYBODY ELSE AND ALSO SUBSIDIZE A FEW THAT BROUGHT BACK OFFICE JOBS. WE HAVEN'T DONE MUCH TO GROW OUR ECONOMY. AND WE HAVE GOT TO SWITCH THAT. WHAT IS HAPPENING BECAUSE OF THE HOUSING CRISIS AND NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO IT THE ECONOMIC CRISIS WHICH IS ABOUT TO GET VERY, VERY WORSE CONVERTING COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL LAND TO HOUSING. TEN YEARS WHEN WE WAKE UP AND SAY, HOLY CRAP, WE HAD 20 YEARS OF ECONOMIC CRISIS AND TAMPA IS NOT DOING WELL, WE ARE GOING TO SAY NO PLACE TO PUT BUSINESSES ANY ANYMORE. A I SEE THE ECONOMIC NUMBERS GETTING WORSE, I AM MORE COMPARED OF CONVERTING INDUSTRIAL LAND BECAUSE WE NEED IT TO GROW THE ECONOMY. WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE SITTING WORKING REMOTELY FROM NEW YORK. WE NEED BUSINESSES HERE AND THEY HAVE TO BE LOGISTICALLY. SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A WAY TO JUST LIMIT THIS TO WHAT I CALL SHOP HOUSES WHERE WE MANDATE AND GOT TO BE MIXED USE INSTEAD OF SINGLE-FAMILY AND WE MANDATE THAT IT HAS TO BE COMMERCIAL ON THE GROUND LEVEL OR FIRST AND SECOND LEVEL AND THEN HOUSING ON TOP? >>ABBYE FEELEY: SO ABBYE FEELEY. RIGHT NOW OUR CODE SPEAKS TO THIS BEING ALLOWED WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. IT IS JUST AS A CONTINUAL USE. IT IS ALLOWED. YOU CAN TO IT TODAY. YOU CAN COME IN WITH AN APPLICATION. SO WE ARE NOT CREATING SOMETHING THAT ISN'T ALLOWED TODAY. IT IS ALLOWED TODAY. >>BILL CARLSON: TELL US WHAT WE ARE ALLOWING. SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING. >> TAKE IT FROM ONE APPLICATION PROCESS. THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION PROCESS OR CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION PROCESS WITH THOSE TWO CRITERIA AND MAKING IT A SPECIFIED USE. YOU NO LONGER HAVE AN ADDED LAYER OF HAVING TO FILE A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION, BUT THE CRITERIA ARE STILL THERE TODAY. SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC TAKING AWAY COMMERCIAL. IT IS ALLOWED TODAY COMES TO YOU ON APPEAL AS THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY BECAUSE HAVEN'T MET THE CRITERIA OF THE ARTERIAL COLLECTOR. A COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND THEY CAN BUILD A WANT THERE, BUT FOR RESIDENTIAL, THEY HAVE TO -- THAT CRITERIA REQUIRES THEM TO MEET BEYOND A ARTERIAL COLLECTOR. >>BILL CARLSON: SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID ON THE HE SHALL ISSUE. I WISH WE WOULD GO BACK. AREAS WHERE WE PROVIDE A LOT OF DENSITY, LOTS OF HOUSING UNITS ON TOP, BUT PROTECT THE GROUND LEVEL FOR COMMERCIAL. >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE DO HAVE A PERMITTED USE WITHIN ALL OF THOSE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS CALLED "STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL." "STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL" NON RESY ON THE GROUND FLOOD OR BEHIND OR RESIDENTIAL ABOVE. AND THAT IS A PERMITTED USE TODAY. IF ANYBODY WAS OUT THERE WANTING TO DO THAT, THEY COULD DO IT TODAY AND GO STRAIGHT INTO THE PERMITTING PROCESS. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: SO COUNCIL, TO YOUR POINT, RIGHT, THE SPECIFIED USE SHORTENS THE PROCESS TIME. TAKING FROM A TWO-LAYER APPLICATION PROCESS TO A SINGLE APPLICATION PROCESS. SO SHORTENS -- IT CHARTENS THE LENGTH OF TIME OF THE APPLICATION. WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABBY UNDERSTAND IS GREATER THAN -- THIS IS REAL ESTATE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT LARGER ECONOMIC IMPACTS WHERE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT MORE THE TYPE OF J JOBS. >> BECAUSE OF ECONOMIC PROBLEMS WE NEED TO LOOK AT COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL SPACE AND CONVERTING HOUSING. I WOULD RATHER TOUGHEN IT UP AT LEAST AT THE GROUND LEVEL SO IF YOU DO THIS, NO NOTICE TO THE -- TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT -- THAT YOU ARE GETTING WHAT USED TO BE AN EXCEPTION. >>ABBYE FEELEY: ON SPECIFIED USE WOULD NOT GET NOTICE. ON THE S-1, YOU WOULD GET NOTICE. >>BILL CARLSON: I WON'T SUPPORT THIS, WHATEVER MY COLLEAGUES DO, I WISH WE WOULD GO BACK TO HEAVY MULTIUSE. THE MULTIUSE LOOPHOLE TO PUT 100 SQUARE FEET AND BUILD 500 UNITS OF HOUSING. I THINK IN COMMERCIAL AREAS IN PARTICULAR, I THINK WE NEED -- WE NEED, LIKE, A MANDATE FOR THE GROUND LEVEL AT LEAST OR -- OR 10 OR 20% OR WHATEVER THE PERCENTAGE IS THAT IT HAS TO REMAIN COMMERCIAL BECAUSE WHERE ELSE IN OUR BUSINESS. NO PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO EARN MONEY TO AFFORD THESE HOUSES. THE REASON WE HAVE A HOUSING PROBLEM, THERE IS A SHORTAGE OF UNITS, BUT THEIR RENT PRICES ARE GOING UP AND WAGES ARE NOT KEEPING UP WIT IT BECAUSE RECRUITING CRAPPY JOBS THROUGH THE . AND WE NEED TO CREATE OUR OWN JOBS INSTEAD OF SUBSIDIZING OTHER JOBS THAT DON'T PAY VERY MUCH. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK:.COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DON'T SAY WE WISH, WE CAN GO BACK. WE CAN MAKE THESE CHANGES. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU. AND, YES, IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM RIGHT NOW WHERE THEY PUT IN THIS INCREDIBLY TINY PIECE OF COMMERCIAL. AND THEN THE REST OF IT IS BUILT OUT. I CAN THINK OF MULTIPLE EXAMPLES WHERE IT IS -- IT GETS ME -- IN NORTH HYDE PARK A DUCKWEED IN A CORNER AND NOTHING BUT PARKING WALL. AND -- I MEAN THAT DUCKWEED IS ABSOLUTELY PACKED. IT IS BUSY ALL THE TIME. NOW THAT AREA IS A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE CAN NOT GET THAT BACK. WE CANNOT GET THAT FRONTAGE SPACE BACK. I COMPLETELY AGREE. WE NEED TO SUPPORT THIS. I WOULD -- I WOULD NEED TO HAVE A GUARANTEE IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT -- AGAIN YOU ARE SAYING THAT THEY CAN ALREADY DO THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO FIND A WAY TO ROLL IT BACK AND FIND A WAY WE DEMAND COMMERCIAL ON IN ANY OF THESE UNITS THAT HAVE -- WHAT IS IT, THAT FIT THOSE TWO THINGS WITH THE ARTERIAL ROAD AND THE RM-24. IS THAT THE REQUIREMENTS? SO THE OTHER THING WILL HAVE TO BE THE THIRD REQUIREMENT WOULD HAVE TO BE COMMERCIAL USE ON THE GROUND FLOOR JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: ALLOW US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO LOOK AT THAT. IF YOU TALK THROUGH THE CRITERIA AND LET US KNOW WHAT WITH YOU LIKE OR DON'T LIKE. WE HEAR THE COMMENTS. 37 AND WE WERE JUST WHISPERING TO EACH OTHER THAT WE THINK THERE ARE SOME TWEAKS WE CAN MAKE AND SUGGESTIONS TO COME UP WITH. IF ALLOWS THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK. WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. A LARGER ECONOMIC AND YOU HAVE TO PROTECT THAT IN THE LAND USES AND YOUR ZONING. >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ASK MISS SWIFT AS A CONTENT EXPERT TO GIVE A MINUTE OF FEEDBACK ON THIS. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: SHE WAS GOING TO SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT. >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: I HAVE SPOKEN TO MISS FEELEY AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE. IT SHOULD BE MANDATORY THAT BOTTOM FLOOR IS RETAIL. MAKE IT MANDATORY. WE HAVE MIXED USE THAT HAS COME IN THAT A 5,000, 6,000, 7,000 SQUARE FOOT. AND 50 FOOT OF IT WAS RETAIL. THAT IS RIDICULOUS. THAT IS ABSURD. AND PUT IT ON THE ONUS ON THE DEVELOPER THAT FOR SOME REASON THEY ARE AT THE END OF A DEAD-END STREET OR SOMETHING WHERE IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK FOR THEM TO HAVE THE RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR, MAKE THEM HAVE TO HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF. ALL RIGHT, ARE WE FINISHED WITH COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I HAVEN'T PASSED MY GAVEL YET. MISS SWIFT, SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. >> THANK YOU. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBERS CARLSON AND HURTAK. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS ROLLED BACK, ALTHOUGH I PLEASANTLY SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT. THIS IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT IS REALLY SUCH A MAJOR POLICY CHANGE THAT 2 NEEDS TO BE A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IF IT NEEDS TO GO FORWARD THAT WAY. I RECOGNIZE THAT IT IS ALREADY A SPECIAL USE 1 AND THIS WILL MAKE IT BLANKET. AND MY REASONS -- THIS IS -- THERE ARE SO MANY TOOLS THAT WE WILL NEED TO USE TO NEXT OUR HOUSING AFFORDABLE AND -- HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND STOCK PERIOD. MY SPECIALTY IN GRAD SCHOOL AND ALMOST ALL OF MY POSITIONS, PUBLIC POSITIONS, I AM -- I CHANGED AFFORDABLE HOUSING LAW TO MAKE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BUT AS I SAID, SOME OF THEM ARE GREAT CONCEPTS BUT WHEN YOU PUT THEM ON PAPER AND THEN ON THE LAND IN A VERY URBAN AREA LIKE TAMPA, SOMETIMES YOU GET LOTS OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. I THINK THIS SPREADS MULTIFAMILY OUT BY RIGHT TO EVERY DISTRICT. THAT IN ITSELF MAKES A LOT OF BAD USES NEXT TO ANOTHER USE THAT MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T BE NEXT TO EACH OTHER LIKE HOUSTON. AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS WHAT WE WANT I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO JUST GET HOUSING MORE AFFORDABLE BECAUSE YOU CAN BUILD IT ANYWHERE. FIVE YEARS FROM NOW YOU WILL HAVE PEOPLE UP HERE NOT LIKING WHAT THEY ARE NEXT TO. SO I DO THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE -- IF IT MOVES FORWARD IT SHOULD BE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE DISCUSSION. I -- THE -- I THINK YOU SHOULD AK FOR A MAP OF HOW ALL THESE DISTRICT -- WHEN YOU SEE THE MAP OF ALL THE DISTRICTS THE WHOLE CITY THAT WILL HAVE 35 OR 60 FOOT HIGH. THE DIMENSIONAL REGULATIONS ARE OTHER THINGS NOT IN MY THREE MINUTES. AND SOMETHING THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT IN MY THREE MINUTES AND DETAILS -- DETAILED AND YOU NEED A FLOW CHART TO FOLLOW IS THE RM-24 DESIGN STANDARDS AND HOW THEY ARE BEING APPLIED AND HOW YOU ARE -- YOU ALL ARE BEING ALLOWED TO APPEAL THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK WERE EVEN MEANT TO MOVE FORWARD IN FROM A DEVELOPER'S APPLICATION. AND SO YOU -- THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T REALLY HAVE RELIANCE ON THE CODE BECAUSE IT IS ALL CONFUSING. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I RESPECT ALL COMMENTS. MY AIDE BROUGHT US THIS INFORMATION. SOMEONE SENT ME BUILDING SUBSIDIZED LOW-INCOME HOUSING LIFTS PROPERTY VALUES CONTRADICTING NIMBY RETURNS. CONCENTRATING LOW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IS NOT AS BAD AS RESIDENTS FEAR. INCREASING PROPERTY VALUES AT FASTER RATE THAN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU USE THE WORD "SUBSIDIZED" AND "LOW INCOME" YOU THINK ALL POOR PEOPLE. CERTAIN LEVELS DOESN'T MEAN YOU ARE AT THE BOTTOM BUT AT A RATE THAT YOU CAN'T SUSTAIN. IT DOESN'T MEAN BAD PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, SECTION 8 -- PEOPLE ON SECTION 8 ARE NOT BAD PEOPLE. THEY HAVE DECENT JOBS, BUT JUST CAN'T SUSTAIN TO BE WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. SO I WANT US TO THINK ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, HOUSING -- PEOPLE FEEL MORE VIABLE AND FEEL MORE GOOD WHEN THEY HAVE A PLACE TO STAY. THEY KNOW AT NIGHT -- EVEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FOOD AND LAY MY HEAD IN A SAFE PLACE. SO MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS YOU NEED COMMERCIAL OF THAT PROBLEM. YOU CAN HAVE THE LOCAL GUY IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX COULD BE THE -- THE BARBER FOR EVERYBODY IN THE BUILDING. MISS JONES WHO DOES CAKES AND PIES FOR A FEW FRIENDS CAN HAVE A BAKE SHOP AND HAVE A OR SOUL GOOD DINNER. I BELIEVE THAT THE BOTTOM SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL. WITH SPACE AND HAVE IT IN THERE. BUT MAKE SURE YOU HAVE HOUSING AT THAT TOP LEVEL. I WANTED TO THAT OUT THAT PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AND PEOPLE ARE NOTICING. THANK YOU. I WILL YIELD BACK. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WITH COUNCILMAN GUDES' COMMENTS. SOCIETY IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT A COUPLE YEARS BACK. HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE AND THE AUTOMOBILE INSURANCE POLICY, $5,000 BETWEEN BOTH OF THEM. CEMENTS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, ABOUT YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT. YOU CAN'T DRIVE EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVE WITHOUT INSURANCE. HOW DO I KNOW THAT? WELL, I WASN'T INVOLVD BUT THE CAR THAT I OWN WAS HIT BY AN INDIVIDUAL WHO DIDN'T HAVE INSURANCE, BUT HE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE. THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT A SALARY OF LET'S SAY $40,000 OR $45,000 AND HAVE A WIFE AND TWO KIDS, YOU ARE LOSING $5,000 JUST ON THOSE TWO ITEMS. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN? YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THE PAYMENT, THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. SO WE ARE CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE BETWEEN RISING PRICES. NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW. NOT BECAUSE OF EXPENDITURE OF WHOEVER IS IN GOVERNMENT AND SO ON AND THE TOP-NOTCH OF FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THE INDIVIDUALS TRYING TO CARRY THE LOAD CAN'T PULL THE WAGON ANYMORE BECAUSE THE WAGON IS OVERLOADED. THAT IS THE PROBLEM WE HAVE. BACK THEN, YOU COULD BUY A HOUSE WITH PAYMENTS OF 65, 75, $80 A MONTH. YOU CAN'T EVEN RIDE THE BUS FOR $80 A MONTH. SO WHAT I AM SAYING, LET'S FACE REALITY. AND REALITY IS, EVERYTHING IS OVERPRICED. SO DON'T CATCH A COLD. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE INSURANCE, YOU WILL BE IN TROUBLE. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT -- THAT WE ARE FACING IN THIS COUNTRY. THE WHOLE WORLD IS FACING IN THIS COUNTRY. AND IF WE THINK WE ARE BAD OFF, LOOK AT ANOTHER COUNTRY AND COMPARE YOURSELF TO THEM, AND YOU ARE NOT AS BAD OFF AS YOU THINK. ANYWAY, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I LIKE TO COMPARE IN THE HISTORIC YBOR CITY MODEL. BUSINESSES ON THE TOP FLOOR AND PEOPLE LIVE UP TOP. THE BARBER ON THE SECOND FLOOR THAT HAS HIS PLACE BELOW, BUT ELIMINATING A LOT OF COST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE IN THAT LIVE-WORK ENVIRONMENT. AND YOU CREATE BETTER OPPORTUNITIES WHILE CUTTING THE COST OF LIVING OVERALL BECAUSE NOT SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY. AT THE SAME TIME, IT CREATES A DENSITY, BUILDS A CLIENTELE, BUILDS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND I THINK IT WORKS. AGAIN MENTIONING YBOR CITY IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE BECAUSE EVERYTHING IN ONE, DENSE AREA. PEOPLE DIDN'T NEED TO GO OUTSIDE THAT AREA BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEEDED WAS THERE. AND, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO ALL COMMERCIAL DOWN BELOW WHEN THE SERVICES YOU NEED ARE ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND PEOPLE LIVE UP TOP, I THINK IT MAKES IT EASIER. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. ROBINSON. >> THANK YOU FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT. SINCE WE ARE THROWING CREDENTIAL. LICENSED PROFESSIONAL SINCE 1982, MR. CARLSON, I DO CONSULTING AND A RELEVANT MATTER FOR HOUSING. AND HAVING DONE IT ALL WORK FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AND SEVERAL OTHER AGENCIES AROUND HERE, INCLUDING THE BUCS. LET ME JUST SAY THIS. I LOOK AT THIS AS MORE OF A PROCESS CHANGE FOR MORE EFFICIENCY. THE SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION THAT YOU ALL ARE HAVING DEALING WITH THE -- WITH THE -- I HAVE PROPERTY THAT IS ON AN ARTERIAL THAT IS -- RM-24. RM-16 JUST LIKE THIS BUT RESIDENTIAL. I REFUSE TO KNOCK DOWN MY WOOD FRAMES. AND I CAN DO EXACTLY WHATEVER Y'ALL ARE DOING. EVEN IN WEST TAMPA, WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE -- A PROGRAM THAT THEN COURAGE YOU TO HAVE RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM AND TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL UP TOP WHERE YOU CAN REHAB. MARVIN KNIGHT, HOPE YOU ARE LISTENING TO THIS AND GO OVER AND DO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. THIS TIES INTO THE LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT ALLEYS. LET ME GIVE YOU ENGINEERING REASONS. SIZE OF THE TRUCKS LIKE CHARLIE SAID. I REMEMBER WHEN THEY USED TO PICK THEM UP OF THE TOP OF THE ASKINGLY OWN KNEE HOUSE. -- THE SCAGLIONE HOUSE. THE COUNTY HAS NOT DONE AN ASSESSMENT OF ANY ALLEYS. THEY COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT ALLEY WOULD BE ANYWHERE. WILL BE CLOSED. AND PAYING TAXES AND VACATED -- WASN'T VACATED BUT IT WAS VACATED. ALLEYS ARE NOT DOCUMENTED. AND CLOSED, VACATED, YOU KNOW, FLOODING WHICH WE HAD OVER THERE IN TAMPA HEIGHTS. LET ME JUST TELL YOU WHAT WEST TAMPA DID LAST NIGHT. TUESDAY NIGHT. ALLOCATED $250,000 TO BE -- YOU KNOW WE ARE INNOVATIVE IN WEST TAMPA. WE ARE GOING TO SET THE BAR. WE HAVE APPROVED -- AT LEAST NOT APPROVED BY OTHER PEOPLE LOOKING AT -- BUT APPROVED ALLEYS TO BE STUDIED. THIS GUY SITTING RIGHT THERE MADE A PRESENTATION. AND WE SAID -- I MADE THE MOTION WE WILL PUT MONEY ON THESE ALLEYS IN WEST TAMPA. WE ARE GOING TO FIND OUT WHERE THEY ARE. CATALOG. GIVE ME A MAP. GIS AND DEAL WITH IT. YOU CAN NOT SOLVE AN ENGINEERING PROBLEM WITHOUT HAVING THE INFORMATION. YOU CAN'T SOLVE A PROBLEM WITHOUT THE GETTING. WE NEED TO GET THAT IDENTIFIED WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING, OKAY. WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE ARE DOING, WHAT WE HAVE. THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE A BALL OF CONFUSION. WHY SOME OF THAT -- THEY HAVE NOT BEEN CATALOGED AND NOT DETERMINED. AND THE CITY WILL TELL YOU THEY DON'T HAVE A STANDARD FOR ALLEY SURFACE. WE GOT TO DEAL WITH THAT. SOME ALLEYS ARE BRICK. SOME ALLEYS ARE GRAVEL. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GOT OUT THERE. OKAY. SO WE DECIDE AS ENGINEERS -- WE ARE SMART GUYS. LET'S JUST START WITH DOCUMENTING WHAT WE HAVE. FINDING OUT WHAT CONDITION THEY ARE IN. GENERATE A MAP THAT SHOWS EVERY ONE OF THEM, AT LEAST IN OUR CRA AND PUT $250 UP AND -- $250,000 UP AND MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY TO GIVE IT UP. WE ARE TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT THESE ALLEYS BECAUSE -- DEPENDS. IT IS SITUATIONAL. WE ARE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT LIKE YBOR CITY AND WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE SOME OF THAT FABRIC. I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT LET'S HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ON ALLEYS. BUT THIS THING IS ABOUT TRYING TO -- TO MAKE EFFICIENCY FROM -- HAVING SPECIFIED USE TO HAVING A SPECIAL USE. ON THIS ONE, THEY COULD GO EITHER WAY, BUT THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU WERE HAVING -- THIS IS ADDRESSING THE PROCESS OF MAKING THINGS MORE EFFICIENT. BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER, BECAUSE I THINK THAT NOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THE GIST OF WHAT IS GOING ON, YOU SEE THAT WE HAVE GOT A LOT OF PROCESSES. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO -- WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME LIKE WE USED TO HAVE. ALL THIS STUFF MOVING IN. THE MORE YOU MAKE PROCESS EFFICIENT, THE BETTER IT IS GOING TO BE AND THEN HAVE THE SUBSTANTIVE. SUFFICIENCY. THAT IS WHY I CAME DOWN HERE. I HAVE PLENTY TO DO. THE ALLEYS, WEST TAMPA CRA CAC IS WAY AHEAD OF Y'ALL. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. HAGAN. >> NATHAN HAGAN. THAT WAS AN AWESOME COMMENT. I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE SOMETHING THAT I NOTICE AS SOMEONE WHO WATCHES THESE MEETINGS A LOT AND TALK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. THERE IS -- WE HAVE DEVELOPED A CULTURE. BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT OUR PD PROCESS OF THE BEST EMBODIMENT OF THAT. WE SEE -- WE LOOK AT -- WE ASK OURSELVES HOW CAN WE SOLVE THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE WITH DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND CONSISTENTLY, THE ANSWER IS, OR THE INCENTIVES HAVE A LINE -- JUST -- AS I NOTICED THE ANSWER IS PROCESS. WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. WE WANT TO ADD MORE PROCESS TO CATCH BAD THINGS IN -- AS THEY GO. WHEN I WORK WITH NEIGHBORHOODS, LET'S SAY I AM SUPPORTING A PROJECT AND THEY ARE FIGHTING A PROJECT. WE ALL AGREE THAT THE CODE NEEDS TO BE BETTER. BUT WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT. ALL WE CAN DO IS TALK OF THE PROCESS WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF. I WOULD SAY GENERALLY THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE VERY AGGRESSIVE AT TAKING STEPS TO REDUCE PROCESS. SO THAT WE CAN FOCUS ON WHAT ACTUALLY NEEDS TO BE FIXED WHICH IS OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND EVERYBODY IF YOU ARE A DEVELOPER, ADVOCATE AND ELECTED OFFICIAL. NOTHING LIKES IT. WE WANT TIME FOR CHANGES AND SO MUCH TIME SPENT ON PROCESS. WE ALSO -- YOU KNOW, ON THAT LINE, WE TALKED A LOT OF SUBSEQUENT POLICY WITH THIS IS PROCESS. WE OPENED PANDORA'S BOX AND COMMENT IN A LITTLE BIT. FLORIDA RISING IN THE TENANT UNIT DON'T SHOW UP FOR THESE MEETINGS, THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DEPENDING ON WHAT NUMBER YOU LOOK AT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE RENTERS. IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE COMP PLAN CHANGES COMING UP, THERE IS GOING TO BE EVEN MORE RENTER AS SOON AS THE FUTURE. SO -- RENTERS IN THE FUTURE. THIS AS FAR AS MY UNDERSTANDING HOW IT WAS EXPLAINED, NOT A CHANGE IN WHERE YOU CAN DO RM-24 ON COMMERCIAL CITYWIDE. SOUNDS LIKE YOU CAN DO THAT -- ANY COMMERCIAL ZONING ANYWHERE CITYWIDE. ALL THIS DOES IS IMPROVE THE PROCESS BUT I WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING THAT I CAN NEVER INSTITUTE ENOUGH. BUILDING A HOUSING COMPLEX THAT HOUSES 500 PEOPLE. WE ARE AFRAID 10 OR 15 YEARS NEIGHBORS WILL SAY THESE 500 NEIGHBORS DESTROYED MY LIFE. NOBODY IN THAT 300-UNIT BUILDING EVEN KNOWS THERE IS A PROBLEM. THEY APPRECIATE THE FACT THEY HAVE HOUSING. SO I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, HOMEOWNERS SHOULD NOT RUN THE CITY. THE CITY IS NOT MAJORITY HOMEOWNERS ANYMORE. WE SHOULD SISTER THAT WITH MULTIFAMILY AND WHETHER IT DESTROYS MY NEIGHBORHOOD ALL OVER THE PLACE. THE TRUTH IS PEOPLE NEED HOUSING. THE DATA YOU SHOWED, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA, MORE HOUSING SOLVES IT. AND WE NEEDS TO DO THINGS LIKE FIX THE CODE AND HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING POE NEWSES THAT ACTUALLY PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF. I WILL STOP THERE BECAUSE YOU KNOW I CAN TALK FOREVER. I WILL BE UP 234 A FEW MINUTES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY -- I UNDERSTAND THIS IS ABOUT PROCESS. AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH MAKING THE PROCESS EASIER, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME SAFEFWARDZ ON IT. AND THAT IS THE CONCERN THAT I AM SEEING. AND SINCE I AM NOT AN EXPERT AT THIS, I AM ASKING HOW DO WE ADD THAT SAFEGUARD UNTIL WE GET THE CODE THAT WE WANT, WHICH I KNOW IS A MUCH LARGER -- OR THE CODE REFRESH THAT WE NEED THAT IS A MUCH LARGER PROCESS. I THINK THAT IS WHAT ALL OF US ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. BECAUSE IF THIS IT -- THESE ARE TECHNICALLY ALREADY ALLOWED. BUT HOW DO WE STOP WHAT WE ARE ALL SEEING OF THESE 500-SQUARE-FOOT COMMERCIAL. WHAT IS OUR STOPGAP UNTIL WE GET THOSE CODE CHANGES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET WHAT WE NEED TO ENCOURAGE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS HOUSING. >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE EXAMPLE YOU KEEP GIVING OF THE 500 SQUARE FEET THAT IS IN A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THOSE ARE PDs THAT HAVE COME TO YOU TO GET THE BUMP-UP FOR ADDITIONAL F.A.R. BY DOING TWO USES. THOSE HAVE BEEN -- COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL AND THIS COUNCIL HAS APPROVED THEM. AND STEVEN AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND MYSELF AND ERIC, WE ARE WORKING THROUGH WHAT THAT MINIMUM FOR THOSE REQUESTS ARE. SO THAT -- THAT IS ONE ELEMENT OF THIS. BUT THAT IS COMING TO YOU IT UNDER A DIFFERENT UMBRELLA. WHAT THIS IS LIKE I SAID. THIS SAY LOWED TODAY THROUGH A SPECIAL USE -- THIS IS ALLOWED TODAY THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PROCESS. WE ARE ASKING THAT THIS BE FROM A SPECIAL USE PROCESS TO A SPECIALIZED PROCESS WHERE WE NO LONGER HAVE TO COME FOR THE SECOND LAYER. IF THEY ARE MEETING THIS CRITERIA, THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO GO TO PERMITTING. I CAN SHOW YOU -- I AM HAPPY TO GO BACK AND SHOW YOU THE NUMBER OF PDs THAT CAME IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND HAD THAT MADE AVAILABLE TO THEM. THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO GO TO PERMITTING BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T NEED A WAIVER FOR X,Y AND Z, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT MEETING ONE OF THOSE TWO CRITERIA, A SIX TO NINE-MONTH PROCESS, A $10,000 PROCESS, ANOTHER HOLD-UP WHERE OUR CODE RIGHT NOW SAYS, HEY, IF YOU WERE IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND YOU MEET THESE TWO STANDARDS, YOU ARE ALLOW ED. I AM NOT TRYING TO CHANGE ANY OF THAT. IF WE ARE ALLOWED UNDER THIS TWO CRITERIA, WHAT IF IT WAS EASIER BEING ALLOWED AND I WILL HAVE TO MEET CRITERIA. NOT A FREE FOR ALL. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHERE WE HAVE REQUIRED NONRESIDENTIAL FIRST FLOORS IN THE CHANNEL DISTRICT, IT HAS TAKEN US 25 YEARS TO GET THE REQUIRED RETAIL SPACES FILLED BECAUSE CHANNEL DISTRICT HAS JUST APPROACHED A THRESHOLD POPULATION TO SUPPORT THOSE KIND OF BUSINESSES AND MAKE IT PROFITABLE FOR THE SMALL BUSINESSES TO GO INTO THOSE SPACES THAT WE REQUIRE. MANY OF THOSE SPACES HAVE SAT VACANT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS A DECADE NO USE IN THEM. A GROUND FLOOR WITH A LEASE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS. STOREFRONT RESIDENTIAL. IF A DEVELOPER WANTS TO GO IN TODAY AND BUILDS NONRESIDENTIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND RESIDENTIAL ABOVE, NOT EVEN A SPECIAL USE. THAT IS PERMITTED. IT COULD HAPPEN TOMORROW FOR THOSE PEOPLE IF THEY WERE MAKING THOSE CHOICES. WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS THE MARKET ISN'T MAKING THOSE CHOICES BECAUSE EITHER IT IS NOT LUCRATIVE FOR THE MARKET OR SOME OF THEM ARE COMING TO YOU IN THE FORMS OF OTHER THINGS. I AM HAPPY TO GO BACK AND POLL HOW MANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES CAME TO YOU ASKING FOR EITHER SINGLE USE RESIDENTIAL OR RESIDENTIAL WITH SOME PORTION OF NONRESIDENTIAL. BUT THAT WAS JUST TO GET THAT ADDITIONAL INTENSITY BUMP. SO HAPPY TO TAKE THIS DISCUSSION IN ANY DIRECTIONS WITH YOU. I THINK OUR INTENT AS WAS MENTIONED TODAY, THIS WAS A PROCESS IMPROVEMENT TO LOOK AT WHAT IS COMING TO YOU EITHER ON APPEAL, LIMITING THOSE APPEALS. IF WE THINK IT IS APROP -- APPROPRIATE AS A CONDITIONAL USE, TO TAKE SPECIFIED USE. HAPPY TO TAKE DIRECTION. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: THIS IS ON THE HEELS OF A PREVIOUS WORKSHOP WHERE WE WERE IN THE MIDST OF HAVING RENT STABILIZATION CONVERSATIONS AND WE WERE TRYING TO DO A LOT OF SOLVING AND PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS, POLICY CHANGES, AND HOW CAN WE CONTINUE TO HELP WITH THE HOUSING CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE. SPECIFIED USE IS THE PROCESS IMPROVEMENT THAT CAME IN THE HEELS OF A PREVIOUS WORKSHOP WE HAD EARLIER THIS YEAR BROUGHT BACK TO YOU TODAY. IN FACT YOU GUYS ASKED US TO ACCELERATE IT SO WE COULD MAKE THIS -- AGAIN, PROCESS IMPROVEMENT. THE OTHER SAFEGUARDS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN ANOTHER PROCESS. THIS IS ALREADY ALLOWED TODAY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: AND I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT TO COUNCILMEMBER CARLSON'S POINT EARLIER AND TO COUNCILMEMBER GUDES' POINT, WE CAN'T -- YOU ARE SAYING THE MARKET DOESN'T BEAR CERTAIN THINGS, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT SEEING PEOPLE BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING OUT OF CHOICE. IT IS VERY RARE. SO IT IS OUR JOB TO INCENTIVIZE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND INNOCENT RISE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. WHILE THIS A PROCESS ISSUE AND MY COLLEAGUES CONCERN. IF THEY WEREN'T THERE TO BEGIN WITH, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING AND ANY PLACE TO GO. THAT IS MY CONCERN AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOUTH BUT HE IS NODDING. THAT IS MY CONCERN THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE PREPARED FOR WHAT THIS CITY IS PREPARING AND AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUE. WE AREN'T HAVING ENOUGH PEOPLE COMING IN SAYING WE NEED TO BUILD MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE NEED TO INNOCENT FIEZ R VIES REQUIREMENTS. -- INCENTIVIZE REQUIREMENTS. BUT THE GROUND FLOOR IS A NO BRAINER. WE CAN DO THAT. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: IF I MAY, I WILL TELL YOU BY EXPERIENCE. WHEN THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR COMMERCIAL GROUND FLOOR IN A BUILDING WHERE THE -- THERE ARE NOT -- THEIR POPULATION IS NOT THERE TO SUSTAIN THE COMMERCIAL IT SITS VACANT AND A COST TO -- AN UNBEARABLE COST TO DEVELOPERS SOMETIMES. SO WHEN YOU ARE NEGOTIATING THESE DEALS, I JUST. YOU CAN PUT IT IN THERE AND I DON'T KNOW YOU CAN GET THE RETURN YOU WANT OUT OF IT. I THINK WE ARE HAVING TWO DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS IN THIS PROCESS IMPROVEMENT RECOMMENDATION. I THINK THE SAFEGUARDING OF COMMERCIAL -- COMMERCIALLY-ZONED PROPERTY AND INDUSTRIALLY ZONED PROPERTY IS A CONVERSATION FOR FUTURE LAND USE AND THE CODE AND NOT THIS PROCESS AND I 100% AGREE WITH THAT. ONCE YOU GIVE IT AWAY. IT'S GONE, RIGHT. THAT IS NOT THIS PROCESS. AND MAKING IT REQUIREMENT THAT THERE IS COMMERCIAL ON THE GROUND FLOOR. I WILL TELL YOU DEVELOPER IT IS ENOUGH POPULATION TO MAKE IT ECONOMICALLY WORK, THEY GET A BIGGER CONCERN IF THEY HAVE SOME COMPONENT IN THERE. THEY WILL INCLUDE IT IF THEY NEED TO. TO MANDATE AND NOT HAVE IT IN AN AREA THAT THAT POPULATION THRESHOLD HAS NOT MADE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL BE DOING OURSELVES A SERVICE. BUT TALKING OF TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES FOR THIS ONE. I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR TO PROTECT THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONE AND HOW TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE SPACE SATISFIED FOR THE BUSINESSES WE ARE RECRUITING AND FOR THE OTHER SIDE THE ECONOMIC CONVERSATION FOR INDUSTRIES THAT -- AND CLUSTERS WE WANT TO HAPPEN, THEY NEED TO OCCUR SOMEWHERE. IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE ZONING CHANGES WHICH IS NOT THIS CONVERSATION. IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE ZONING CHANGES MUCH FROM INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL TO JUST RESIDENTIAL USE, YOU ARE NOT SAFEGUARDING FROM THAT IN THE FUTURE. AND I HEAR YOU 100%. WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO COME BACK AFTER RESEARCH, WE CONCERNS ARE AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S CONCERN IS NOT IN THE SPECIFIED USE ISSUE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I WILL SAY ONE MORE THING AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON THEN WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING. THE BIGGEST FEAR THAT WE DO -- OUR RESIDENTIAL SPACE BECOMES -- COMMERCIAL SPACE BECOMES RESIDENTIAL AND WHERE DOES THE COMMERCIAL PLACE GO, THE COUNTY. I DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE ANY MORE -- I WANT US TO HAVE THIS. I WANT THE BUSINESSES TO STAY HERE AND WALK AND TAKE TRANSIT AND NOT DRIVE OUT OF THE CITY FOR WORK. THAT IS HUGE. THAT IS HUGE FOR TAXES. THAT IS HUGE FOR QUALITY F LIEF LIFE. SO I THINK THAT IS WHAT IS SCARING US ABOUT THIS. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I GET THAT. MY RESPONSE WHEN YOU HAVE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION THAT ARE ASKING FOR SOME OF THOSE CHANGES, AS A COUNCIL AND A BOARD, YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT, ARE YOU SAFEGUARDING -- YOU NEED TO THINK OF THOSE ISSUES AND BIG PICTURE ITEMS THAT YOU IT WANT. WE ARE PD CAPITAL. WE HAVE A BUNCH OF PDs. WE TALKED ABOUT TRANSITIONING AND GETTING OURSELVES OUT OF THAT. SAFEGUARDING. I HEAR YOU LOUD AT CLEAR. IF YOU MAKE A MOTION -- EVEN IF YOU DON'T MAKE A MOTION, WE WILL FOLLOW UP ON THAT. BUT NOT IN THIS SPECIALIZED USE PIECE. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL APPRECIATE HAVING THAT AS A SEPARATE DISCUSSION IF CHAIR CITRO OR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION. WE HAVE AN ECONOMIC CRISIS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT HAVE PEOPLE NOT REPRESENTING OR BUYING HOMES. WE NEED TO SOLVE THAT. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN ST. PETE AND PINELLAS OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE TAMPA YOU HAVE TO BE AN INSIDER OF A INSIDER TO BE INVOLVED IN IT. IF YOU HOOK AT THE NUMBERS, ST. PETE EDC RUNS CIRCLES AND ST. PETE ECONOMICALLY RUNS CIRCLES AROUND TAMPA. THEY DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND REALLY GOOD JOB OF PLANNIG. THE ONE MISTAKE THEY MADE, THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE ENOUGH SPACE FOR COMMERCIAL. THE BIGGEST REASON WHY ST. PETE AND PINELLAS LOSE DEALS, THEY DON'T HAVE MORE OFFICE SPACE. IF THEY PLANNED BETTER AND HAVE MORE OFFICE SPACE, THEY WILL GET ALL THE DEALS IN THE REGION. WE NEED TO PROTECT THIS PLAN. A GO-NO GO. PEOPLE WANT TO INCLUDE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL, AND I WILL MENTION PAR RETIME BECAUSE WE NEED TO PROTECT THAT TOO. YOU EITHER KEEP COMMERCIAL LEVEL ON YOUR PROPERTY. WE NEED HOUSING, YES. BUT WE NEED JOBS AND HIGHER PAYING JOBS AND WE NEED TO PROTECT THAT. WHY IS IT THAT WE CAN'T IT SHALL AND BEFORE SOMEBODY RUNS THE -- AND SAY CITY COUNCIL IS AGAINST DEVELOPERS. WE ARE NOT AT ALL. WE APPROVE ALMOST ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE OUT THERE. WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS LOOK 20 AND 30 YEARS IN ADVANCE. I MIGHT NOT BE AROUND HERE WHEN THE PORT -- AFTER THE PORT GETS COMPLETELY PLOWED OVER WITH CONDOS. WE WILL LOSE OUR BIGGEST ECONOMIC GENERATOR IN IF THE REGION. AND 30 YEARS PEOPLE WILL BE UPSET. SOMEBODY IN THE FUTURE WILL BE REALLY UPSET. WHY IS IT -- WE ARE IN A CYCLE RIGHT NOW. WHY SO MANY APARTMENTS BEING BUILT AND NOT OFFICE BUILDINGS? BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE CAPITAL IS GOING. WE TALK TO DEVELOPERS ALL THE TIME. WHERE THE CAPITAL MARKETS ARE. DID CONDOS BEFORE 2008 AND NOW DOING APARTMENTS AND NOT FUNDING OFFICE BUILDINGS. BECAUSE THE CAPITAL MARKETS ARE NOT TEMPORARILY FUNDING OFFICE BUILDINGS AND DOES NOT MEAN IN THE FUTURE WHEN TEN YEARS WHEN CAPITAL MARKET SWITCHES AND LOOKING FOR OFFICE BUILDINGS. WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR SPACE. 10, 0 YEARS, TAMPA WILL BE HERE AND NOT A LAKE OR PART OF THE BAY, AND WILL HAVE A VIBRANT CITY THAT WILL BE GLAD WE MADE TOUGH DECISIONS NOW. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE WILL STILL HAVE TO HEAR FROM PUBLIC COMMENTS TO SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE ONLINE TO THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY BOTH OF THESE COUNCILPEOPLE HAVE A POINT. WE DON'T HAVE RETAIL COMMERCIAL ON OUR BOTTOM FLOORS, THEN PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO GO IN THEIR CARS TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. IF WE WANT TO BE A LIVABLE, WALKABLE CITY, PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THEIR CONDOMINIUMS AND CONDOS AND WALK AND BUY GROCERIES OR WALK AND GET THEIR HAIR DONE. MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU ON THE LINE TO TALK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. >> YES, SIR. CAN YOU HEAR ME? >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >> FIRST OF ALL, WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED IN THE CITY. IT IS CALLED SOUTH OF GANDY, WEST OF DALE MABRY, WE ARE A FOOD DESERT. WHERE WILL WE PUT A GROCERY STORE? BEATS ME. BECAUSE MOST OF OUR COMMERCIAL LAND HAS BEEN CHANGED TO RESIDENTIAL IN THE PAST THREE TO FOUR YEARS WE HAVE TAKEN THE BRUNT OF THIS. I CANNOT -- I FAILED TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN MAKE BLANKET COMMITMENTS TO DENSITY AND IGNORE WE HAVE A CHAA. WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF A $500 STUDY OF THE CHA. HOW CAN WE MAKE CHANGES THAT WILL DRAMATICALLY IMPACT THE DENSITY WITHOUT THE EVIDENCE FROM THAT. I AM SORRY BUT S.O.G. HAS BEEN PILLAGED FOR ALL THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL LAND. YES, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A SU-1, BUT I WILL POINT OUT WE HAD A SU-1 IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO THAT WE ASKED FOR CHANGES FROM THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE WE KNEW IT WAS COMING. THE DEVELOPER DIDN'T JUST GET TO COME IN AND DO WHAT THEY WANTED. AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS ACTUALLY ASKED FOR SOMETHING VERY SMALL, THAT COST PROBABLY ABOUT $1,000 TO HAVE IT DONE. AND THE DEVELOPER WAS VERY GRACIOUS ABOUT DOING IT. SO IF IT IS DONE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WITHOUT ANY INTERACTIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, IS THAT GOING TO BE POSITIVE? AND THE ANSWER IS NO. SO THAT WASN'T -- IT WAS A SPECIAL USE 1. AND THEY DID WHAT WE ASKED THEM TO DO. WE ARE NOT TALKING -- I MEAN SERIOUSLY, IT WAS MOVING THE DUMPSTER ON THE SITE FROM BEHIND SOMEBODY'S HOUSE. SO, I AM PRETTY MUCH WITH NATHAN THAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM. WE HAVE A LAND USE CODE FROM 1978. AND WE HAVE A -- WORK ON A COMP PLAN THAT IS 44 YEARS OLDER AND MARRY THEM UP TOGETHER. WON'T THAT BE AN ODD SET. I AM AGAINST THIS. I AM NOT EVEN AGAINST IN FOR THE WHOLE CITY BUT ANYTHING NOR THE CHAA. WHY? BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T EVACUATE FROM COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. THEY EVACUATE FROM THEIR HOMES. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS POYNOR. ARE YOU ONLINE? SORRY, MISS CARROLL ANN BENNETT, ARE YOU ONLINE? MISS BENNETT? >> HEY, CARROLL ANN BENNETT. I JUST WANT -- I KNOW IT MAY NOT BE EXACTLY ON TOPIC BY WHAT THEY ARE PRESENTING BUT I WANT TO REITERATE SOME OF THE POINTS THAT COUNCILMEMBERS MADE. THE -- THE JOBS ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS HOUSING. AND RATTLESNAKE POINT WAS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL THAT PROVIDED GOOD PAYING JOBS AND AN UNIQUE PROPERTY THAT IS HARD TO FIND PEOPLE WHO -- BIG COMPANIES THAT ARE COME ALSO LOOK THROUGH THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA -- NOT JUST OUR PART OF FLORIDA, BUT ENTIRE STATE WITH A PORT AND RAILROAD. IT WAS UNIQUE. IT WAS VALUABLE. AND IT COULD CONTINUE TO PAY GOOD PAYING JOBS AND IT IS GONE AND NOT GOING TO GET IT BACK AND NOT CREATE MORE LAND WITH A RAILROAD AND PORT. I AM A LITTLE UNCLEAR ON THIS. AND, YEAH, MAYBE THEY CAN CLEAR IT UP FOR US, BUT THE SPECIAL USE 1. I HEARD HER SAY IT REQUIRES NOTICE. I AM WANTING TO KNOW, IS THAT NOTICE LIKE A HAZARDOUS TREE NOTICE WHERE IT IS LETTING ME KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS HAPPENING AND YOU CAN WRITE AN E-MAIL ABOUT IT, BUT THERE IS NO VOTE. THE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC IS NOT REALLY TAKEN INTO COUNTY. IT IS BASED -- THE DECISIONS ARE BASED ON WHAT THE CODE ALLOWS THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. AND SOMETHING THAT IS DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY LIKE THE FINAL OF THE FTNs AND THE HAZARDOUS TREE. THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. I AM A LITTLE UNCLEAR ON THAT. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL? >>LYNN HURTAK: COULD YOU ACTUALLY ANSWER MISS BENNETT'S QUESTION. BECAUSE THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD TO AND I FORGOT IT IN OTHER THINGS I WAS TALKING ABOUT. SO THE NOTICE IS A CONCERN. -- AND A CONCERN FOR RESIDENTS. >>ABBYE FEELEY: SPECIAL USE 1 WILL COME IN WITH THE SPECIAL USE 1. WILL HAVE TO MEET THE TWO CRITERIA. ON AN ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR STREET AND MEET THE RM-24 STANDARDS. IF YOU MEET THOSE TWO, IT IS APPROVABLE. WITHOUT -- YOU MET THE CRITERIA THAT THEN SHIFTS IT FROM BEING CONDITIONAL TO BEING APPROVED. BASICALLY THE CODE IS SAYING IF YOU MEET THESE TWO CRITERIA FOR THIS USE THROUGH THIS ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS, THAT USE IS PERMITTED REQUIRES PUBLIC NOTICE BUT THE PUBLIC NOTICE TO THE TWO CRITERIA THAT MAKES THE USE APPROPRIATE. AND THE PUBLIC NOTICE IS A NOTICE PROCESSED. COMMENTS ARE BROUGHT IN, BUT IT IS NOT -- IT'S NOT APPLICABLE AS IF IT WERE COMING TO YOU IT AS A PD AND THOSE CRITERIA BEING MET OR THEY ARE NOT BEING MET AND THE PUBLIC INPUT AND YOU TAKE THAT INPUT IN ANOTHER WAY. A PUBLICLY NOTICED PROCESS, BUT IF THE TWO CRITERIA ARE SATISFIED, THEN THAT PROJECT MAY BE APPROVED. AND THAT -- SO -- SO IT'S HAPPENING NOW. YOU ARE NOT SEEING THOSE S-1s. WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS, THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN WITHOUT IT HAVING TO PAY FOR A SEPARATE APPLICATION AND THE OTHER LAYER OF THE ONION TO THE SYSTEM, IF WE SET THOSE CRITERIA IN A WAY THAT WE STILL HAVE TO MEET THEM. THEY WILL HAVE TO BE MET AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING IN LIEU OF IT BEING MET WITH THE SPECIAL USE ONE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO MENTION THAT I WILL MAKE A MOTION LATER ABOUT COMING BACK AND DOING THAT SAVING OF COMMERCIAL SPACE. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU TO GET SOME LANGUAGE. GET SOME DATES. LIKE I AM GOING TO DO WITH STEVEN ABOUT ALLEYS. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THE OTHER THING I DON'T HAVE TODAY -- I CAN BRING YOU BACK OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS HOW MANY S-1s HAVE BEEN PROCESSED FOR RESIDENTIAL. YOU KNOW, TO SHOW YOU THIS HAS BEEN EIGHT PROJECTS OR 108 PROJECTS. I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DON'T MEET THE ARTERIAL COLLECTOR ON APPEAL, THEY ARE GETTING APPROVED. WE ARE CREATING A TEN-MONTH PROCESS SET IT AS SPECIFIED USE, IT COULD BE HAPPENING. >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE. [LAUGHTER] >>ABBYE FEELEY: I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN JUNE. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN SEPTEMBER. ABOUT. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SEVERAL TIMES. YOUR PLEASURE. PWE HAVE BEEN BR HAVE BEEN PASSING THAT LITMUS TEST. HERE WE ARE. AND IT IS AT YOUR PLEASURE. IF NO APPLICATION IS TAKEN TODAY, IT WILL STAY IN THE SPECIAL USE AREA AND WILL BE ALLOWED THE WAY IT IS TODAY. HAPPENING IN SPECIAL USE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE THAT WAY AND THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM EITHER. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THE HARD WORK AND BRINGING IT BACK. AS MUCH AS WE ARE ARGUING, ARGUING THE.AND NOT ARGUING WITH YOU ALL. SERIOUSLY ON THIS TOPIC, YOU KNOW, WE CAN RECEIVE AND FILE. I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER MOTIONS THAT WILL BE MADE LATER RELATED TO THIS. ALL OF THIS IS GOOD INFORMATION AND GOOD TO HAVE A COMMUNITY DISCUSSION. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND NOT LEAVE IT LIKE A DANGLING PART CIPEL. WHICH WAY ARE WE GOING DO WE TAKE THE DIRECTION OR LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS. >>BILL CARLSON: WE JUST RECEIVED AND FILE. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: IT WILL BE INACTION AND WE WON'T DO WITH IT. JUST UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS FROM YOUR DIRECTION THAT YOU HAVE ASKED US TO COME BACK WITH A COUPLE OF TIMES. HOWEVER YOU WILL WANT TO PROCEED, YOUR PROCESS TO TELL US ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. WE HAVE JUST BEEN BEFORE YOU -- WE ARE HERE TODAY WITH THE COMMENTS WE HAVE RECEIVED IN THE TWO MEETINGS THAT WE HAD BEFORE. SO TOTALLY -- TOTALLY UP TO YOU. >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK CHAIR CITRO AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAVE MOTIONS FOR LATER, BUT UNLESS THEY WANT TO DO IT NOW, WE WILL RECEIVE AND FILE THE REPORT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU. I WISH TO -- I MOVE TO TAKE THE DIRECTION OF STAFF IN THE NEW SPECIAL USE CRITERIA WITH THE MULTIFAMILY WITHIN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ESTABLISHING A SPECIFIED USE WITH THE CRITERIA THAT IS LISTED BELOW ON THIS DONE MENTATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN CITRO. DO WE GET A SECOND? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL SECOND IT, BUT HE BETTER SAY WHAT NUMBER IT IS. >>JOSEPH CITRO: SORRY, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, WHICH IS FILE NU NUMBERE 2022-8-CHAPTER 27. AND DEALING WITH 27-282. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM CHAIRMAN CITRO. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR. ANY OPPOSED? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ROLL CALL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S DO A ROLL CALL. I HEARD THE NAYS. MOTION FROM CITRO. SECOND FROM MIRANDA. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. MOTION FAILED WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK CARLSON VIERA MANISCALCO VOTING NO. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AND, AGAIN, FOR US, I DON'T THINK IT'S YES, DO WE WANT THINGS TO GO FASTER, IN THEORY -- I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT THIS IS -- THIS IS A TOPIC THAT I THINK WE SHOULD REVISIT WHEN WE TALK MORE ABOUT COMMERCIAL SPACE. I THINK IF WE HAD -- I WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE AND FILE AND BRING THIS BACK AS PART OF THAT MOTION THAT WE WILL CREATE -- AND I WILL PROBABLY BRING BACK TONIGHT, JUST SO WE CAN HAVE A DEEPER DISCUSSION ON PROTECTING THAT. AND I GUESS WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THOSE -- THAT RIGHT NOW CAN HAPPEN BUT, I DON'T KNOW. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MAKE IT SOONER THAN LATER WHEN IT COMES BACK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM GOING TO TRY. SEE WHAT IS AVAILABLE WORKSHOP-WISE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. ALL IN FAVOR. ANY OPPOSED. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: DO WE HAVE SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ HERE FROM THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. I THINK PROBABLY FOR THE RECORD WE OUGHT TO SAY IN ALL OF THESE CASES, WE ARE -- WE ARE DESCRIBING -- IN ALL OF THESE DISCUSSIONS, WE ARE DESCRIBING CERTAIN. HE SFIFK PROJECTS THAT MAY HAVE -- IS SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST AND FOR THE RECORD WE OUGHT TO SOMEHOW STATE THAT THESE DISCUSSIONS AND THESE VOTES HAVE HAVING TO DO WITH ANY PARTICULAR REAL ESTATE CASES AND THE CASE THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED ARE FOR ILLUSTRATIVE REASONS ONLY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: TO CLARIFY MY MOTION. IT WAS FOR THIS SPECIFIED USE; HOWEVER, I WANT TO HAVE AN IN-DEPTH GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL. AND, AGAIN, PUT THE ONUS ON THE DEVELOPERS IF THEY SAYS IT NOT GOING TO BE FINANCIAL LY FEASIBE FOR THEM TO DO IT. THAT IS FINE. BRING IT TO US AND LET'S US DECIDE ON THAT. WE SHOULD HAVE A BLANKET COMMERCIAL USE WITHIN LARGER STRUCTURES. WITHIN MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES. ALL RIGHT, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6, FILE NUMBERE-2022-8, CHAPTER 27. MISS FEELEY. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU, ABBYE FEELEY. ITEM NUMBER 6 IS TO ALLOW NONRESIDENTIAL ACCESS TO LOCAL STREET. THIS IS ONE OF OUR TOP TEN WAIVERS THAT COME BEFORE YOU IN PDs. A PD HAS NEVER BEEN DENIED ACCESS TO THE LOCAL. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. AND WHERE IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. THE WEST SHORE OVERLAY ALLOWS ACCESS TO THE LOCAL FOR RESIDENTIAL. AND THE KENNEDY OVERLAY ALLOWED IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS WHEN YOU ARE IN A CERTAIN DISTANCE FROM THE ARTERIAL OR THE COLLECTOR. SO WE HAD BROUGHT THIS IN JUNE. WE TALKED THROUGH THIS. AND WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING IS THAT IT WILL BE PERMITTED IF NO FURTHER THAN 150 FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION. I DO HAVE TO JUST SHOW YOU. THIS IS THE CHICK-FIL-A AND AT THAT HEREBY SHAN INN. IT WAS A PD. THE FIRST WAIVER WAS ACCESS TO THE LOCAL STREET. THE TAHITIAN INN HAS ACCESS TO THE LOCAL STREET. THE CODE CHANGES, THIS WOULD BE ALLOWED. RIGHT NOW YOU CAN ACCESS THE LOCAL WHEN, LIKE, WHEN FDOT DENIES YOU, YOU HAVE NO OTHER ACCESS BUT TO ACCESS. BUT THIS HAS COME TO YOU ON MOST OF YOUR PDs. YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK TONIGHT -- TONIGHT IS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE AND ON THE NEXT -- THIS IS ONE OF THE TOP TEN WAIVERS GRANTED THROUGH COUNCIL THROUGH THE PD PROCESS THAT WILL ALLOW FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT UNLESS THEY ARE WITHIN 150 FEET OF THE ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MISS FEELEY EXPLAINED IT ALL. AND HISTORICALLY SPEAKING, I DON'T THINK AN APPLICATION HAS BEEN DENIED OR THE REQUEST FOR THIS HAS BEEN DENIED. AT LEAST THAT YOU CAN REMEMBER OR EVER. SO IT IS A NO BRAINER. IF NOT, WE WOULD -- WE HEAR -- WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC NOW, BUT WILL BE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. I THINK THIS IS AN EASY ONE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL SECOND IT AND WE WILL FIND OUT HOW EASY IT IS. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS FEELEY, I ALWAYS RESPECT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND I STILL RESPECT IT, BUT WHEN YOU SAY SOMETHING PASSES, IT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS UNANIMOUS. SOME OF US WOULD HAVE SAID NO ON SOME OF THESE THINGS. SOME OF US WOULD HAVE SAID NO ON OTHER THINGS. BUT YOU ARE CORRECT, IT DID PASS. IS THERE ANYONE IN CHAMBERS THAT WISHES TO SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6? >> I AM TRYING TO MAKE MY DAY WORTHWHILE. SUSAN SWIFT, 3621 SOUTH HIS PER DECEMBER STREET, TAMPA. I WILL ADMIT THAT I AM NOT SURE I AM READIN THIS DIRECTLY, BUT I THINK I AM. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE WAY THE DRAFT LANGUAGE -- THE CURRENT CODE SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE ON THE ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR. THIS IS ALLOWING ACCESS 150 FEET FURTHER ON A TO -- OR OFF OF THE ARTERIAL COLLECTOR. AND I DO AGREE THAT DOT A LOT OF TIMES CAUSE THIS PROBLEM, BUT TO THE CHAIR'S POINT, JUST BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN APPROVED, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT IT IS POTENTIALLY IMPACTING SHOULDN'T BE MADE AWARE OF THAT BEFORE IT IS APPROVED AND I ALSO WONDER HOW MAIN PDs WERE JUST FOR THIS, FOR THIS ITEM OR DID THE PD ASK FOR A LOT OF TO OTHER WAIVERS OR CHANGES. IT GOES BACK TO THE COMPATIBILITY EVERYBODY EWE AND THE LAST -- THANK YOU FOR MAKING YOUR DECISION ON THE LAST ITEM. BECAUSE THIS GIVES PEOPLE WHO HAVE POTENTIAL IMPACT TO COMMENT. AND THEY MAY ALL GET APPROVED. THAT IS GREAT, BUT BY APPROVING THIS PROCEDURAL CHANGE, THAT ELIMINATES IT. AND MAYBE THAT MEANS THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A WHOLE PD. A DIFFERENT PROCEDURE THEY SHOULD GO THROUGH. I ADMIT, THIS CITY DOES TOO MANY PDs AND THEY TAKE TOO LONG. MAYBE YOU CREATE A SEPARATE REVIEW PROCESS. MY LAST COMMENT IS, THE WAY I READ THIS, THIS IS NOT A CONDITION. THIS MAKES IT SOUND LIKE IT IS A CONDITION, BUT THIS IS NOT A CONDITION. THIS IS ACTUALLY ALLOWING AN ALLOWANCE OF -- AND CHANGING THE RULE. IT CHANGES NUMBER ONE. IT IS NOT LIKE A CONDITION. SO THAT IS HOW THIS ISSUE ON THE RM-24, I THINK, HAS COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES. BECAUSE THIS -- THE MAP -- THE MAP IS BLACK AND WHITE. SAYS FUNCTIONAL CLASS, ARTERIAL COLLECTOR. YOU ARE EITHER ON THAT MAP OR NOT. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN GET -- HOW A DEVELOPER CAN GET PAST THE APPLICATION POINT AND GO TO YOU ALL WITH AN APPEAL OF THAT BECAUSE THEIR STREET IS NOT ON THE MAP. SO AGAIN, IT KEEPS WATERING DOWN THE INPUT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. HAGAN. NATHAN HAGAN. THIS ISN'T ABOUT HOUSING SO MUCH AS TRANSPORTATION. I WAS TALKING TO JUSTICE BIN THIS THE OTHER DAY AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR HIM, BUT A BIG PROBLEM OF HAVING DRIVEWAYS ON ROADS LIKE KENNEDY AND FLORIDA. MANY PEOPLE IN THE CITY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE ONE DAY A GOOD BUS SYSTEM AND MAYBE EVEN BETTER ON THOSE ROADS. AND THE MORE CURB CUTS WE HAVE, THE MORE DIFFICULT TO HAVE A PEDESTRIAN TRANSIT-ORIENTED RIGHT-OF-WAY. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO GO AS FAR AS THEY CAN TO PRESERVE CURBS IN THE AREA WHEN WE HAVE IN 50 YEARS AND OUR GREAT GRANDCHILDREN'S LIFE, TO ADD TRANSPORTATION TO THOSE ROUTES, I THINK THE COMPROMISE ON FOWLER PUTTING IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET INSTEAD OF THE SIDE BECAUSE TOO MANY CURB CUTS. NOT A HOUSING ISSUE OR LAND USE ISSUE BUT A LONG-TERM TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ISSUE. I WANTED TO RAISE THIS ISSUE. I AM NOT QUALIFIED TO SPEAK ON IT. BUT THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. >> HELLO, JUSTIN MULLETS, TAMPA HEIGHTS. I WANT TO SAY THAT I SUPPORT THIS. I AM CURRENTLY A TRANSPORTATION CONSULTANT. I SPENT A COUPLE OF YEARS AT HART. SO I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON SOME OTHER ISSUES MORE SPECIFICALLY, BUT BUT WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND LOCAL MONEY AND D\.O\.T\. MONEY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES WITH THE ARTERIAL AND LOGICAL IMPROVING THE LONG GAME AND IMPROVING SAFETY AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THAT AND TALK ON OTHER ITEMS LATER. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU, JOE RO ROBINSON. I SUPPORT THIS AS WELL FROM A TRANSPORTATION DIDN'T. AND I HAVE PROPERTY, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, YOU NAME IT, AND IT MAKES SENSE WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO. LIKE I JUST TOLD YOU EVEN ON MY RESIDENTIAL, I LOST 50, 75 FEET OF HISTORICAL GRANITE CURBING AND INTO LONGER THERE. I HAVE A CURB CUT ON A RESIDENTIAL NOT EVEN COMMERCIAL STREET, OKAY, RIGHT NOW FRONTING ME THAT I GOT TO LOOK AT, OKAY. SO I AM ALL FOR KEEPING CURBS. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS POYNOR, ARE YOU STILL ONLINE WITH US. >> YES, SIR. >>JOSEPH CITRO: DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER 6. >> ABSOLUTELY. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT I RECALL THAT THAT CHICK-FIL-A HAD A LOT OF PUSH BACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. NOT THAT I DON'T EAT THERETO AND DON'T ENJOY IT, BUT THERE WAS QUITE A BIT. THE OTHER THING IS, WE HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS -- I KNOW YOU GU GUYS HERE KNOW IT BETTER THAN ANYBODY, THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH ISSUES ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS WITH PEOPLE BUSTING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS DOING TWICE THE SPEED LIMIT. EVERYBODY IS CRYING THE BLUES, WE KEEP THROWING UP STOP SIGNS. THEY ARE BEGGING FOR SPEED BUMPS AND SPEED HUMPS. HOW IS THIS GOING TO PREVENT THAT? WAIT, IT IS NOT. GOING TO DO THE POLAR OPPOSITE. GOING TO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT -- I FORGOT MY POINT. BOTTOM LINE IS, I THINK IT IS A BAD IDEA, UNTIL WE GET OUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION DUCKS IN A ROW. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CUT DOWN THESE PEOPLE CUTTING THROUGH SIDE STREETS. THAT IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE CHICK-FIL-A AND I WILL BE THE FIRST PEOPLE TO TELL YOU WE CUT THROUGH BEHIND THE CHICK-FIL-A AND COME IN FROM THE BACK WAY EVERY SINGLE TIME. SO -- AND, AGAIN, I WILL POINT OUT TO YOU, WE DON'T NEED TO DO THIS SOUTH OF GANDY. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD DAY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MISS BENNETT, ARE YOU ON LINE? >> HI, THIS IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT. I AM GOING TO PASS ON THIS ONE. I DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE ENOUGH EXPERTISE TO COMMENT. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE, A, FDOT HATES CURB CUTS AND EVERY TIME YOU TRY TO GET SOMETHING THROUGH, IT IS INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT AND THAT CAN KILL A PROJECT. AND MY CONCERN TO GO BACK TO OUR EARLIER CONVERSATION IS COMMERCIAL AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT YEAH. WE CAN ADD MORE STOP SIGNS. THAT HAS BEEN MOSTLY SUCCESSFUL. HONESTLY EVENTUALLY THE CITY WILL BE A STOP SIGN AT EVERY CORNER AND I AM TOTALLY FINE WITH THAT. BUT I MEAN JUST AS MISS POYNOR SAID ALREADY USING THE BACK STREETS. USING THE BACK STREETS BECAUSE DALE MABRY IS BACKED UP. WHY IS DALE MABRY BACKED UP, BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO TURN RIGHT ON A CURB CUT. ANYWAY, I WILL MOVE THIS. I DON'T -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT IS THE WORDING. HOW ARE WE DOING THIS. SAY LET'S MOVE IT. LET'S MOVE IT. I. >>JOSEPH CITRO: A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ANY DISCUSSION? >>BILL CARLSON: WE ARE JUST MOVING TO BRING IT BACK, RIGHT? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SORRY, DID MANISCALCO MOVE IT -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SECONDED IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: IF YOU MOVED IT, I WILL SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, I SAID -- I JUST MADE A COMMENT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: STAY WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MAKING THE MOTION AND COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO SECONDING IT. >>BILL CARLSON: THE MOTION IS TO BRING IT BACK WITH A PROPOSED ORDINANCE. >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES. ABBYE FEELEY. ABOUT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MONDAY NIGHTS AND COME BACK TO YOU ON FIRST READING. I WILL GET TO THE SCHEDULE OF ALL THIS AT THE END. >>BILL CARLSON: WE HAD A COUPLE OF TO EX- COUPLE OF PEOPLE SPEAK IN FAVOR. SOME AGAINST IT. AND THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON IT. >>ABBYE FEELEY: I FAILED TO MENTION WHEN WE FIRST DID THIS MR. BHIDE WAS WITH THE SAFETY OF PEOPLE PULLING DIRECTLY ON TO DALE MABRY AT A 45 OR 50 MILES PER HOUR. IT IS ACTUALLY SAFER TO THEM TO GO OUT TO THE INTERSECTION VERSUS HAVING THE INTERSECTION, THE CURB CUT, THE INTERSECTION, THE CURB CUT. THIS WAS IN SUPPORT OF VISION ZERO AS WELL. AND WE HAD BROUGHT THAT AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION IN JUNE. SO FORGIVE ME FOR FAILING TO REITERATE THAT WHEN WE CAME BACK TODAY, BUT IT WILL COME BACK AS A FIRST READING, YES, SIR. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ASK ONE OTHER QUESTION. WHERE DOES THE 150 NUMBER COME FROM. A STANDARD BY WHAT OTHER CITIES USE. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW FAR THE AREAS THAT YOU CIRCLED IN. ONE WAS 50 AND ANOTHER 75. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THAT IS BIGGER THAN THAT. BECAUSE BY CODE, YOU HAVE BE 54 FEET BY THE INTERSECTION TO EVEN START TO HAVE THE DRIVEWAY. IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND IN WEST SHORE THAT IT IS 150 FEET RIGHT NOW AND WE USE THAT TO BE CONSISTENT WHAT WE HAVE IN THE I DON'T OVERLAYS THAT CURRENTLY ALLOW IT. BECAUSE IN WESTSHORE OVERLAY, KENNEDY AND SEMINOLE HEIGHTS. ALLOWED IN THE DESIGN DISTRICTS AND WE USED THAT SAME NUMBER. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THE IRONY IS WE HAVE TWO PARCELS ON OUR OVERHEAD. AND ONE WAS BUILT IN THE 50s. AND ONE WAS BUILT 2019. >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT WAS BEFORE THAT. THEY CHANGED FROM A SINGLE DRIVE THROUGH TO A DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH IN 2019. HOW THEY HAD TO RE- PD IT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, THERE IS THE IRONY. 60 YEARS APART. 70 YEARS APART. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? THANK YOU. GO TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7, FILE NUMBER EARS-2022-H-CHAPTER 27. >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY. ITEM 7 AND 8 ARE RELATED -- YEAH, I AM, THANK YOU. THESE ARE ALL RELATED TO T THE ADUs. I SEE THE TIME IS TEN MINUTES TO NOON. THIS IS GOING TO BE A LENGTHY DISCUSSION. THIS IS THE LAST ITEM RELATED TO TEXT CHANGES CREATING THE SPECIFIED USE FOR THE ADUs FROM THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC. I THINK IT MAY TAKE A BIT. SO I JUST WANT TO ENSURE IT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AT THIS TIME. >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A HARD STOP AT 12:30. DO WE KNOW THEN I WILL TELL YOU WHAT -- LET'S -- LET'S DO -- LET'S DO THEN -- MOVE ON TO 15. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, NICOLE TRAVIS, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC DON'T. ROB ROSNER AND ALIS DRUMGO WILL PRESENT. AND WE WILL GET IT TO YOU BEFORE YOU GO TO YOUR LUNCHTIME. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. >>LYNN HURTAK: GOOD MORNING. >> THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: GOOD MORNING, THANK YOU. >>ALIS DRUMGO: ALIS DRUMGO, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR ECONOMIC COMMUNITY. AS ADMINISTRATOR FOR TRAVIS A REPORT ON BENEFIT AGREEMENT. IN JUNE YOU ASKED FOR THIS TO COME BEFORE YOU AND WE HAVE A DRAFT OF THAT TODAY. STAFF LOOKED AT DIFFERENT ORDINANCE FROM ST. PETE TO DETROIT, MIAMI, AND ALSO CINCINNATI. AND WE PUT THAT TOGETHER TO SEE HOW IT WOULD BE APPLICABLE HERE IN TAMPA. WHAT YOU WILL HEAR IS A PRESENTATION PROGRAMMABILITY ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY I AGREEMENT COULD LOOK LIKE. ROB ROSNER WILL PRESENT THAT TO YOU AND AFTER THAT OUR ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ WILL PRESENT THREE THINGS. THE ORDINANCE THAT ESTABLISHES THE CDA. SHE HAS THE RESOLUTION THAT WILL CREATE THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT ADVISORY COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CDA. OPINIONED THE THIRD ITEM OF APPROVING THE CDA AN INFORMATION SHEET WHICH IS SET OF GUIDELINES THAT WILL GUIDE THE COMMUNITY AND DEVELOPERS IN COLLABORATING THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, OUR GOAL WILL BE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH DATES TO SET IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT WAY WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL HAVE ASKED FOR. I WILL TAKE A SEAT AND BE TAKING A BUNCH OF NOTES THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION AND SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK THAT WE NEED TO INCORPORATE BEFORE WE MOVE THAT FORWARD. WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ROB. AND HE WILL KICK IT TO SUSAN. >> THANK YOU. CAN WE PULL THE PRESENTATION UP, PLEASE? GOOD MORNING, CHAIR CITRO AND COUNCILMEMBERS. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT ON THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS ORDINANCE. JUST TO GO OVER THIS. WE JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THE PROCESS THAT WE TOOK THROUGH HOLDING PUBLIC MEETINGS IN MAY. AND WE HELD TWO OF THOSE PUBLIC ENGAGELESSMENTS. AND WE -- ENGAGEMENTS. AND WE HELD A SURVEY AS WELL. AND THE SURVEY RESULTS AND JUST SHARING THIS TO REFRESH WHERE WE HAVE BEEN OVER THE PAST YEAR THROUGH JUNE AND THROUGH OUR DIFFERENT PROCESSES OVER MAY AND THOSE TIMES. THE PURPOSE OF THE ORDINANCE IS TO CREATE A MECHANISM TO GET THE CBA ITEMS INTO A CBA AGREEMENT. AND OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE MORE TRANSPARENCY BEFORE PROJECTS HIT THE GROUND -- COME OUT OF THE GROUND AND HAVE MORE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THAT. SO WITH THAT, THE APPLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE IS TO -- APPLIES TO EVERYTHING THAT IS A P-3, A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. TO -- APOLOGIZE HERE. MY NOTES HAVE MOVED AROUND. TO MAKE THOSE -- IF WE ARE PROVIDING AN INCENTIVE TO MAKE IT FEASIBLE. AND SO WITH THAT, THE PROGRAM ONLY APPLIES TO CONSTRUCTION-RELATED ACTIVITIES AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE REHABILITATION RENOVATION REDEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION. IT WILL BE ON THE CONSTRUCTION VALUE. WITH THAT -- AND IT DOESN'T -- IF A PROGRAM APPLIES TO TOE STALL CONSTRUCTION VALUE OF THE OVERALL REGARDLESS OF THE PHASING. WE COULDN'T PHASE IT JUST TO GET IT OUT OF IT. ONE OF THE REASONS TO PUT IT IN THERE. WOULD NOT APPLY TO CITY LED PROJECTS WHICH IS ALREADY UNDER A DIFFERENT SET OF ORDINANCES FOR PROCUREMENT AND CONSTRUCTION POLICIES. SO MUCH IT GETS INITIATED BASED ON PROJECTS THAT ARE $2 MILLION OR MORE. AND IF THE CITY IS PROVIDING -- PROVIDING A BENEFIT OF 25% OF THAT WHICH IS ABOUT $500,000. AND WE GO THROUGH A TIERED PROCESS. SO WITH THAT IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY APPLY IF IT IS $10 MILLION OR MORE AND THOSE CAN GO THROUGH EXAMPLES OF THAT. PARTICIPATION MAY BE MONITORING INCENTIVES, AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTIONS, REDUVENGS OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UPGRADES AND TRANSFER OF PROPERTY AT LOWERER THAN APPRAISED VALUE. AND THAT COULD BE WHAT THE CITY'S WARNINGS MIGHT BE. WITH THAT WE DEVELOP THE -- REQUIRE THE DEVELOP 20ER DO PREWORK. TELL US OF YOUR PROJECT BEFORE WE BRING IT TO THE PUBLIC AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CONSTRUCTION PLANNING WORKSHEET, A COMMUNITY IMPACT REPORT AND HOLDS TWO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS PRIOR TO ANY WRITTEN CBA DOCUMENT. THE FIRST ONE IS CITY INPUT WHERE THEY PRESENT THE PROJECT AND THE SECOND ONE WILL BE THE TERMS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT PROCESS AND REPRESENT IT TO THE BROADER COMMUNITY. WITH THAT I BELIEVE THAT A TIERED PARTICIPATION IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. SO ON SMALLER PROJECTS, YOU WILL BE IN TIER 1 AND STEP UP EACH ONE. AS YOU SEE, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE PROGRESSIVE. TIER 2 WILL HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING WITH TIER 1. YOU GET TO TIER 3, DO TIER 1, 2 AND A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS. THE BENEFT HAVING A ANY I DON'T REMEMBER THE AND MALL BUSINESS INCENTIVE NOT REQUIRED BY A DEVELOPER NOW. PUTS IT ON THEM AND INCREASES AT EACH LEVEL. WITH THAT WE ALSO HAVE SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW SUSTAINABILITY STANDARDS THAT ARE ON HERE THAT ARE MENTIONED THAT ARE TALKING ABOUT HIGH ENERGY -- HIGH ENERGY REINVESTMENT. AND SO ANYWAY, THERE IS A LIST. AND MR. JOHNSON WILL TALK MORE WHAT IS IN THAT LIST IN THAT GUIDING DOCUMENT OF WHAT THESE LISTS ARE. SO WITH THAT, WE LOOK TO HAVE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND THAT WOULD BE SEVEN MEMBERS. AND THERE WILL BE TWO IN A STANDING FORMAT. A TWO-YEAR TERM. AND THEN FOUR THAT COME FROM THE COMMUNITY BASED ON THAT AREA AND A HALF-MILE RADIUS WHERE THE PROJECT IS BEING DONE AT. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT PROCESS IN A MOMENT AND ONE STAFF MEMBER FROM EYE OFFICE OR ADMINISTRATOR TRAVIS' OFFICE WILL BE APPOINTED TO THAT TO ADMINISTER TAMPA AND ALL APPOINTMENTS WILL FOLLOW THE STANDARD APPLICATION PROCESS. WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DESCRIBE WHAT THAT PROCESS WILL BE. SO IS THE DEVELOP WILL DO THEIR PREWORK DOCUMENTATION. SUBMIT THAT TO US. SET THE FIRST COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETING. PRESENT THE PROJECT USING THE DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY PROVIDED. GATHER THE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND PREPARE A TERM SHEET FROM THAT INPUT. WE HEARD YOU SAY THIS. COMING BACK TO. WE WOULD HOLD A CABC MEETING AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS THERE. LISTEN TO IT. AND IMPROVE THOSE THINGS BECAUSE SOME THINGS MAY BE MORE PLIABLE, APPLICABLE. AND HAVE MORE WEIGHT. ONCE THAT HAPPENS THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA AND DEVELOPER WRITE THE CBA DOCUMENTS PACED ON INPUT. GO TO ANOTHER MEETING AND PRESENT WHAT THE CBA DOCUMENT IS AND GATHER ANY MORE INPUT OF BEING EGREGIOUS, MISSED OR CLARIFIED. ONCE THAT IS DONE, WE FINALIZE AND BRING IT TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION. I WOULD LIKE TO STOP HERE AND INVITE SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ TO TALK OF THE ORDINANCE AND DOCUMENTS THAT SUPPORT THAT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE SHE GETS TO THE ORDINANCE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OF IT RELATES TO THE ORDINANCE. AS IT CURRENTLY RELATES, ROB, WE HAVE A CRA CBA AGREEMENT ALREADY CORRECT? >> IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK WITH ME ON THIS AS WELL. WE DO HAVE A CBA ORDINANCE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHO WILL THAT RELATE TO THE CURRENT WE HAVE IN THE CRA AND NOW WE WILL HAVE A COLLECTIVE CRA. WILL THIS SUPERSEDE THE CRA TO HAVE >>ALIS DRUMGO: THIS ACTUALLY EXCEEDS THAT. OPERABILITY WE WANTS THE'S L'S I AM PUT ON ANY OF THIS AND THE MEMBERS COULD BE SELECTED FROM THAT, BUT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE EVERYBODY TREATED THE SAME. OBVIOUSLY I WOULD LIKE ALIS TO COME BACK, IF YOU LIKE. >>ALIS DRUMGO: I'LL SPEAK TO IT BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A SEPARATE POLICY, COMPLETELY SEPARATE CDA POLICY FOR CRA. I KNOW THAT IN THIS CASE WE DO WANT TO HAVE A BLANKET POLICY. WE WANT THIS TO BE AN UMBRELLA POLICY THAT WE NEED THROUGHOUT THE CITY, CRA INCLUDED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND I KNOW WE HAVE SOMETHING CRA, ON THIS AND THAT, SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT WAY THE CRAs KNOW THAT THIS WOULD BE THE CRA ZONE, MAYBE NOT PUT INTO THE ORDINANCE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT CRA, THEIR MONEY IS UTILIZED AS WELL, IT'S A PART OF THE PROCESS. WOULD YOU NOT AGREE? >> SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A SEPARATE THRESHOLD HERE, COUNCILMAN, FOR CRA. SO LET ME LOOK AT IT FOR A SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FIRST WE WERE TOLD WE COULD NEVER ADD MORE. NOW IT'S WE CAN HAVE ONE. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'E BLANKET THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE. >>NICOLE TRAVIS: I ALSO THINK OF IT WITH OUR CRA HATS ON, WHEN YOU HAVE CRA INVESTMENTS IN BLIGHTED AREAS, MAY BE SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. YOU KNOW, EVERYONE LIKES TO -- NOT IF YOUR BOAT HAS A HOLE IN IT. SO LET US LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ONE POLICY, AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT WE NEED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: LEGAL DEPARTMENT. SO I AM GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE NEXT THREE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAVE IN THE PACKAGE THAT MS. TRAVIS DISTRIBUTED EARLIER THIS MORNING. THE FIRST DOCUMENT IS THE DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ESTABLISH THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS PROGRAM HERE IN THE CITY. THE SECOND DOCUMENT IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE FORM OF A CBA INFORMATION SHEET THAT MR. ROSNER REFERENCED. AND THEN THE THIRD DOCUMENT IS A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING A COMMUNITY BENEFITS ADVISORY COUNCIL. SO ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS REALLY ARE KIND OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF ESTABLISHING THIS PROGRAM AS DESCRIBED BY MR. ROSNER IN HIS PRESENTATION JUST A FEW MOMENTS AGO. SO IF WE CAN TAKE THE FIRST DOCUMENT, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE. AND YOU CAN JUST WALK YOU THROUGH IT. IT HAS SOME WHEREAS CLAUSES ON THE FIRST PAGE. ON THE SECOND PAGE THERE'S A STATEMENT OF COUNCIL'S FINDINGS, PURPOSE AND INTENT. AND REALLY THERE, JUST THE FACT THAT FINDING BEST AMENITIES AND PRACTICES THAT ARE PROVIDED BY CERTAIN LEVEL OF PROJECTS WITHIN THE CITY CAN MITIGATE AND EACH CREATE POSITIVE BENEFITS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY THAT MAY BE IMPACTED BY THOSE PROJECTS. THE SECOND SECTION IS THE DEFINITION SECTION, THAT DOES PROVIDE DEFINITIONS FOR THIS ORDINANCE, AND YOU WILL SEE IF YOU FLIP TO PAGE 3, THERE ARE SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS FOR EACH TIER OF PROJECTS. THERE ARE THREE TIER LEVELS OF PROJECTS, AND THEY ARE BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF TOTAL CONSTRUCTION STARTING AT THE LOW END AT $2 MILLION OF TOTAL CONSTRUCTION COST, AND THE CITY PARTICIPATION VALUE EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN $500,000. THE SECOND TIER WOULD BE PROJECTS WITH A TOTAL CONSTRUCTION COST OF $4 MILLION AND CDB PARTICIPATION VALUE OF A MILLION DOLLARS OR GREATER AND THEN THAT THIRD STIR OF PROJECT WOULD BE TO THE CONGRESS INSTRUCTION COST OF $8 MILLION, AND $2 MILLION OR GREATER CITY PARTICIPATION VALUE SO ROUGHLY ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE PARTICIPATION VALUE FOR THE PROJECT WOULD BE COMING FROM THE CITY. AND SO THOSE TIER LEVELS ARE SIMILAR AGAIN TO THE WAY THE ST. PETE ORDINANCE, WHICH WE STUDIED VERY CAREFULLY, IS STRUCTURED. AND SO THAT ESTABLISHES AGAIN THE DEFINITIONS FOR THE DIFFERENT TIER LEVELS. AND THEN JUST BELOW THAT IN THE NEXT SECTION, REQUIRED COMMUNITY BENEFITS FOR COVERED PROJECTS DESCRIBES AGAIN EACH OF THESE TIER LEVELS, THE REQUIREMENTS THE DEVELOPER HAS TO DO. SO YOU FLIP TO THE NEXT PAGE FOR TIER 1, FOR EXAMPLE, STARTS OFF WITH THE FILING OF A CONSTRUCTION PLANNING WORK SHEET OUTLINING THE CONSTRUCTION, COMMUNICATION PLAN FOR THE PROJECT, REQUIRES THE DEVELOPER TO HOLD TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, REQUIRES THE DEVELOPER TO SUBMIT A COMMUNITY BENEFIT IMPACT REPORT WHICH AGAIN ROB MENTIONED IN HIS PRESENTATION. BUT THIS DETAILS WHAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT COMMUNITY BENEFIT IMPACT REPORT, THINGS LIKE THE PROJECTS FISCAL IMPACT, IT'S EMPLOYMENT IMPACT, THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, ANY TYPE OF SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY IMPACTS THAT NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT REPORT. IT DOES REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, AND OTHER LISTS OF THINGS SUCH AS CONSTRUCTING A STREETSCAPE AND PUBLIC REALM IMPROVEMENTS, REQUIRING THE DEVELOPER TO ACHIEVE LEED CERTIFICATION FOR CERTAIN LEVELS OF PROJECTS AND SO FORTH. AND YOU WILL SEE AS WE GO THROUGH HERE THAT THE DIFFERENT TIERS KIND OF BUILD ON EACH OTHER, SO WHEN YOU GET TO THE SECOND TIER THE DEVELOPER HAS TO COMPLETE ALL OF THE TIER 1 REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS ARE ADDED ON TOP OF THAT. AGAIN, IN ORDER TO HELP JUSTIFY OR CREATE ADDITIONAL BENEFITS WHERE THERE IS GREATER CITY PARTICIPATION. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IN ADDITION TO THE TIER 1 REQUIREMENTS FOR TIER 2 PROJECTS, THE DEVELOPER HAS TO ESTABLISH UTILIZE AN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM, AND THEN THERE ARE ADDITIONAL CITY-APPROVED ITEMS IN THE GUIDANCE DOCUMENTS WHICH WE WILL GET TO IN JUST A MOMENT THAT THE DEVELOPER MUST ALSO CHOOSE FROM IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE. AND THEN FINALLY WHEN WE GET TO TIER 33rd PROJECTS AGAIN, THE IDEA OF BUILDING ON EACH OTHER, SO THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO COMPLETE TIER 1 AND TIER 2 REQUIREMENTS, AND THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS ACHIEVING A GREATER HIGHER LEVEL OF LEED CERTIFICATION FOR AGAIN THE HIGHEST TIER OF PROJECTS. AND FINALLY, GUIDANCE FOR THE REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO BE ESTABLISHED IN CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION, WHICH I WILL GO OVER IN JUST ONE MOMENT. AND THEN THE ORDINANCE, THE NEXT SECTION PROVIDES PROCEDURES FOR EVALUATING THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS OF THE COVERED PROJECT. AND SO THIS KIND OF SETS OUT AND THE ORDER IN WHICH IT HAPPENS. SO YOU WILL SEE THERE UNDER SUBSECTION B, PRIOR TO THE DRAFTING OF A TERM SHEET THE DEVELOPER HAS TO CONDUCT THAT FIRST PUBLIC MEETING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN BASED ON THE INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY, THE CITY AND DEVELOPER WOULD THEN NEGOTIATE AND GENERATE A NON-BINDING TERM SHEET, AND THEN IT PROVIDES A LAUNDRY LIST OF FIVE ITEMS THAT MUST BE INCLUDED IN THAT TERM SHEET AT A MINIMUM. IT CAN INCLUDE, AGAIN, ADDITIONAL THINGS, BUT, FOR EXAMPLE, AS ROB MENTIONED IN THE DESCRIPTION OF THE PROJECT, A CALCULATION OF HOW MUCH THE CITY IS GOING TO BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROJECT, THE SPECIFIC COMMUNITY BENEFITS THAT ARE PROPOSED BUILT DEVELOPER, AND IF THE DEVELOPER IS SEEKING ANY EXEMPTIONS TO THE ORDINANCE. THE REMAINING TALKS ABOUT THE CDQC WHICH I WILL TALK ABOUT IN MORE DETAIL IN THE NEXT DOCUMENT. THERE IS A SECTION ON THE NEXT PAGE THAT ALLOWS FOR EXEMPTIONS TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS ORDINANCE. FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE COVERED PROJECT IS GOING TO INVOLVE MULTIPLE DWELLING UNITS AND AT LEAST 30% OF THE DWELLING UNITS ARE DESIGNATED AS AFFORDABLE OR WORKFORCE HOUSING. THE NEXT EXEMPTION POSSIBLE IS SINGLE HISTORICALLY DESIGNATED PROPERTY INVOLVED WITHIN THE COVERED PROJECT. AND THEN THERE'S A CATCH-ALL THAT ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE A CASE FOR BEING GRANTED AN EXEMPTION BASED ON THEIR DEMONSTRATION TO THE CITY SATISFACTION THAT THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE BENEFITS TO THE ONES THAT ARE PROVIDED FOR IN THE ORDINANCE THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE THROUGH THEIR PROJECT OR THEY CAN PROPOSE OTHER IDEAS, BUT ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE UP TO THE CITY TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT -- WHAT THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING KIND OF SATISFIES THE INTENT OF THESE REQUIREMENTS. SO IT DOES ALLOW A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY IN HERE AS WELL OF THE AND THEN FINALLY, COUNCIL MAY RECALL, OUR FIRST STEPS, INITIAL RESPONSE TO THE REQUEST TO REVIEW THE ST. PETE ORDINANCE, I PROVIDED A MEMO TO CITY COUNCIL BACK IN JANUARY THAT KIND OF DETAILED THE CRA COMMUNITY BENEFITS POLICY AS WELL AS HOUR SUMMARY OF OUR REVIEW OF THE ST. PETE ORDINANCE, AND AT THE TAIL END OF THAT MEMO, I DID NOTE THAT -- IT'S DID CAUTION CITY COUNCIL ABOUT KIND OF CONNECTING A COMMUNITY BENEFITS REQUIREMENT TO ISSUANCE OF ANY DEVELOPMENT PERMITS SUCH AS WE DO WITH THE REZONING APPLICATIONS AND THAT CITY COUNCIL SHOULD AVOID DOING THAT, IF YOU DECIDE TO PROCEED WITH THIS. SO ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE ORDINANCE, UNDER THE SECTION ENTITLED INAPPLICABLE PROJECTS, AS ROB MENTIONED, THIS WOULD NOT APPLY TO CITY-OWNED PROJECTS FOR CITY-OWNED FACILITIES OR CITY-WIDE PROJECTS, AND THEN THAT SECOND SENTENCE STATES THAT THE ARTICLE IS NOT INTENDED AND SHALL NOT APPLY TO THE REVIEWING ISSUANCE OF ANY DEVELOPMENT ORDER BY THE CITY INCLUDING ANY REZONING APPROVALS OR ANY QUASI-JUDICIAL APPROVES ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT. SO THAT AGAIN KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS THE NEED TO KIND OF KEEP THESE TWO ITEMS SEPARATE. SO THAT IS THE ORDINANCE IN A NUTSHELL. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. BUT IF WE COULD MOVE ONTO THE NEXT DOCUMENT, WHICH IS THE RESOLUTION APPROVING A FORM OF THE PROPOSED COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT INFORMATION SHEET, AND AGAIN THE ATTACHMENT, ATTACHMENT A, IS JUST YOU WILL SEE AN INFORMATION SHEET THAT COULD BE FILLED OUT BY THE DEVELOPER IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY, BUT IT REALLY IS KIND OF A NAME, RANK AND SERIAL NUMBER, WHO THE DEVELOPER IS, WHERE THE PROJECT IS LOCATED, WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS ARE IMPACTED, JUST ALL OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE INCLUDED. AND THEN IT JUST PROVIDES KIND OF IN A CHECKLIST FORM, ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER TO GO THROUGH AND CHECK OFF WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE INCLUDING WITHIN THEIR PROJECT. IT DOES PROVIDE FOR ALL OF THE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS AND POSSIBILITIES. THE LIST OF THINGS A DEVELOPER CAN CHOOSE FROM, AND IT ALLOWS FOR KIND OF AN ACCOUNTING OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND KIND OF BE THE FOUNDATION FOR A TERM SHEET AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE NEGOTIATION AND DRAFTING OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT THAT WILL COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN THE FINAL DOCUMENT IS A RESOLUTION THAT ESTABLISHING THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT ADVISORY COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE REFERRED TO THIS MORNING. AS ROB MENTIONED, THE CBA MEMBERSHIP WILL BE SEVEN PEOPLE. THERE WILL BE TWO MEMBERS, TWO STANDING MEMBERS, ONE MEMBER -- ONE STANDING MEMBER APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, ONE STANDING MEMBER APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL. THERE WILL BE TWO-YEAR TERMS. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE FOUR MEMBERS THAT WOULD BE BASED ON A PROJECT-BY-PROJECT BASIS. SO THOSE ARE GOING TO BE ROLLING MEMBERS. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF THE CBAC DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT. SO THE MEMBERSHIP WILL CHANGE. THE TWO STANDING MEMBERS WILL REMAIN THE SAME FOR TWO-YEAR TERMS, AND THEN THE FOUR MEMBERS WILL COME FROM THE IMPACTED NEIGHBORHOOD. SO TWO MEMBERS, THOSE AD HOC MEMBERS WILL BE APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL. TWO MEMBERS WILL BE APPOINTED BY THE ADMINISTRATION. SO THAT WOULD BE SIX MEMBERS. AND THEN THE FINAL MEMBER WOULD BE A DESIGNEE OF THE DEO DEPARTMENT OR ADMINISTRATOR AS ROB MENTIONED. SO THAT FINAL RESOLUTION JUST KIND OF ESTABLISHING THAT PROCESS AND HOW THE MEMBERS WILL BE APPOINTED, AND HOW LONG THEY WILL SERVE, AND THEN ALSO SETS OUT, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THE RESOLUTION, THE CHARGES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND WHAT THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND DUTIES OF THE CBAC WILL BE. THAT CONCLUDES MY KIND OF SUMMARY AND WALK-THROUGH OF THE DOCUMENT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I OR ROB OR ALIST WILL BE HAPPY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T HAVE A BLANKET VOID AND THEN NOT REPRESENTING COMMUNITIES, SO IN THE LITTLE TWEAKS THAT'S COMING FROM THE AD HOC MEETING. I THINK THAT'S ONE AREA. TWO, AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK AT -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN OR NOT WITH THE CRA, I KNOW WE HAVE A PERSON ON THE DOE, BUT IF IT'S IN A CRA ZONE, I THINK CRA DIRECTOR, ROB, SHOULD BE A PART OF THAT, IF IT IS EFFECTIVE IN THE CRA ZONE, BECAUSE THEY WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON. >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: AND THAT PERSON COULD CAN BE THE DESIGNEE AND MS. TRAVIS CAN SPEAK TO. THAT IT COULD BE DEO, IT COULD BE SOMEBODY ON STAFF OR SOME OTHER PERSON WHO IS APPOINTED BY MS. TRAVIS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU KNOW, I THINK DETROIT WAS THE FIRST ONE TO COME OUT WITH WITH IT, SO THAT'S WHY I TALKED TO SOME FOLKS THERE IN 2019, AND I THINK ST. PETE, AND WE DID LOOK AT OTHER AREAS AS WELL, BUT LOOK AT WHAT ST. PETE IS DOING. BUT ALL TOGETHER IN THE POT. RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE PUT IN THE WORK WE DON'T KNOW, BUT WE CAN TWEAK IT FROM THERE, I BELIEVE. BUT I'M SATISFIED TODAY, LOOKING AT THAT AD HOC SITUATION, AND SEE HOW THAT CRA COMPONENT, THE BLANKET CRA, STAND ALONE, OR INCORPORATED AND HAVE IT IN THE CRA IN THE EXACT ORDINANCE. >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. AND COUNCILMEMBER, TO YOUR POINT, DETROIT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES AND THEY HAVE SINCE, JUST RECENTLY, ADOPTED AMENDMENTS TO THEIRS, SO IT WILL TAKE SOME TWEAKING. AND I GUESS I WILL ASK ALIS TO COME BACK UP WITH A TIMELINE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION. I WAS WATCHING IT IN IN THE BACK AND I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF THIS, AND COUNCILMAN MEMBER GUDES JUST TOUCHED UPON IT, WAS THERE'S FOUR MEMBERS THAT ARE SELECTED WITHIN THAT AREA, WHEREVER THE PROJECT IS, TWO BY COUNCIL I THINK IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL BECAUSE PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY AND LIVE WITHIN WITHIN THAT ZONE WILL HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD AND BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BENEFIT OR IMPACT THEIR COMMUNITY, AND I THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT, WHERE THERE'S THE MOST TRANSPARENCY AS WELL AS A BALANCE OF 4 AND 2, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. I RECEIVED IN THE PAPER WHEN I WAS LOOKING OVER THIS, AND I THINK THIS IS VERY GOOD TO BEGIN WITH AND MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: YES, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE NUMBERS ON TIER 1 AND TIER 2 ARE TOO LOW. THE FIRST PART IS TIER 1, $2 MILLION OF THE CITY PARTICIPATION 25%. THE SECOND ONE, 4 MILLION, 25%. AND THEN IT SAYS 10 MILLION AND 15 MILLION. ON THE TWO AND FOUR MILLION IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE UNNECESSARILY BURDENSOME FOR SOME OF THE SMALLER NONPROFITS AND SMALLER DEVELOPERS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BASED ON THE CDD ONE BUT WITH ALL THE INFLATION THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THOSE LOWER NUMBERS SEEM LIKE REALLY LOW NUMBERS. THESE MAY NOT GO IN SOUTH TAMPA, BUT UNFORTUNATELY IT'S DIFFICULT TO BUY A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME IN SOUTH TAMPA FOR LESS THAN A MILLION, AND MOST CONDOS ARE GOING FOR MORE THAN THAT. SO AS INFLATION CONTINUES TO GO UP, 2 MILLION IS LIKE TWO LOTS IN SOUTH TAMPA. THE SECOND THING IS THAT I THINK FOR THE MAKEUP OF THE BOARD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE ADD ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, BECAUSE THE DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT THROUGHOUT THE CITY, DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT FROM THE PEOPLE THAT WE MIGHT APPOINT, BUT I DID VERSETY OF THOUGHT FROM REPRESENTATION THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING FOUR PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A BROADER VIEW OF THESE THINGS AS WELL. THANK YOU. >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: DID YOU SAY ONE APPOINTEE FROM EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER? >>BILL CARLSON: YES, IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S THERE, THE TWO AND THE FOUR, ONE FOR EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER SO WE HAVE DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT THROUGHOUT THE CITY, DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES. >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: SO THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 14, 13 OR 14? 15? >>BILL CARLSON: 13, YES. >> IF I MAY SPEAK TO THAT, COUNCILMAN, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE NUMBERS ON TIERS 1 AND 2, SOME OF THE NONPROFITS MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE NUMBERS, OR MEET SOME OF THE CRITERIA LISTED. BUT WE DO HAVE SOME -- I THINK THE NONPROFITS FIT INTO THAT CATEGORY IN WHICH THEY MAY BE EXEMPT FROM HAVING A YBA BUT IF YOU HAVE RECOMMENDS ON WHAT THOSE NUMBERS YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE, IT'S CERTAINLY THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL TO ADJUST THOSE NUMBERS. >>BILL CARLSON: IT SEEMS LIKE TIER 1 IS 10 MILLION OVERALL, BUT MAYBE IT SHOULD BE 5 MILLION THAT THE CITY PARTICIPATING 25%, BUT THAT GIVES YOU 5 MILLION THESE DAYS IS NOT A VERY BIG PROJECT. IT SOUND LIKE A BIG NUMBER. I WAS JUST IN RALEIGH ON MONDAY AND PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT MORE MILLION DOLLARS HOMES, AND A MILLION DOLLARS SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY BUT IN SOUTH TAMPA, IT'S SPREADING THROUGHOUT THE CITY, PROBABLY IN YOUR DISTRICT, TOO, THE PRICES ARE SO HIGH ALMOST NOBODY CAN AFFORD THEM. IF WE SET THIS TOO LOW IT'S GOING TO UNREASONABLY RAISE THE COST EVEN MORE FOR PEOPLE TRYING TO GET IN. IT'S NOT JUST NONPROFITS. IT'S SMALL DEVELOPERS, TOO. THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT 2022 BUILD A DUPLEX OR QUAD OR WHATEVER, AND THEY COULD BE AFFECTED. >> UNDERSTOOD. WE'LL MODIFY THOSE NUMBERS AND FOLLOW UP WITH YOU. THEN AS IT RELATES TO JUST THE MEMBERSHIP MAKEUP OF THAT COMMITTEE, I THINK PART OF THIS IS THE FOCUS ON THE COMMUNITY OF WHERE THE PROJECT IS TAKING PLACE, AND SO OUR COMMITTEE, WITH RESPECT TO THE COUNCIL AND HAVING EACH MEMBER HAVE MULTIPLE OR INDIVIDUAL SELECTIONS, TYPICALLY THE MAKEUP OF THAT SMALL GROUP IS WITHIN A HALF MILE OF THE PROJECT ITSELF. AND SO IF THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TAKE YOU FROM YOU ON HOW TO KEEP THOSE NUMBERS, I WON'T SAY LOW, IN ORDER TO LIMIT FEEDBACK, BUT PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THIS IS A VOLUNTEER COMMITTEE AS WELL, SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE COMMITTEES, AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES WITH QUORUMS OR GETTING PEOPLE TO SHOW UP TO BE A PART OF THIS PROCESS. >>BILL CARLSON: AND MY COLLEAGUES MAY DISAGREE. BUT IF YOU HAVE ONE FOR EACH PLUS THE FOUR FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT WOULD PROVIDE BALANCE, BUT ALSO PROVIDE SOME CONSISTENCY THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND JUST MY THOUGHTS. ANYTIME WE ARE GOING TO CREATE A COMMITTEE OF ANY KIND, I THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE ONE FROM EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, BECAUSE IT REFLECTS THE DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT, HOW WE GOT ELECTED, AND REFLECTS THE DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT OF THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY. AND WHATEVER THE MAYOR WANTS ON TOP OF THAT IS FINE, BUT I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ONE, BUT THAT'S MY PHILOSOPHY IN GENERAL THAT WE SHOULD HAVE REPRESENTATION, DIVERSE REPRESENTATION BY THE CITY. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE BEEN LISTENING, BUT 4, 5, 6 AND 7, AND IN EVERY DISTRICT NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE AT -- SO, THEREFORE, IF YOU DO THAT, ONE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS, EVEN WITHIN THAT DISTRICT, SOMETHING THAT MAY BE TOMORROW GERMANE TO THIS PART OF THE DISTRICT MAY NOT BE GERMANE TO THAT PART OF THE DISTRICT. SO I AM IN AWE HOW MANY PEOPLE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IN MR. ROBINSON IS SHAKING HIS HEAD. AND HE'S RIGHT. AND IF HE'S RIGHT, THEN I'M RIGHT. [ LAUGHTER ] SO WHAT I AM SAYING, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING, AND THE MORE YOU MAKE IT THE MORE DIFFICULT, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE, BECAUSE EVERY DISTRICT IS ALIGNED WITH POPULATION, WITH INTENT, AND THOSE FOUR DISTRICTS ARE THE TOTAL DISTRICTS OF THE CITY, AND WITHIN THOSE FOUR DISTRICTS, EVERY TIME YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE -- THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE CITY OF TAMPA SO UNIQUE. YOU HAVE THE HIGH-END INCOME TO LESSER INCOME. YOU HAVE HIGH EDUCATION TO SOME EDUCATION. YOU HAVE EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO IT. SO IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE IN MY MIND TO REPRESENT THE TOTAL DISTRICT WHEN ITSELF IT IS VERY UNIQUE. THAT'S IT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: IN THEORY, I LIKE THAT WE EACH GET REPRESENTATION, BUT THEN I WOULD FEEL THAT WE WOULD STILL NEED MORE FROM THE COMMUNITY. I FEEL LIKE THE COMMUNITY WHERE THE PROJECT IS HAPPENING SHOULD HAVE MORE SAY. JUST OVERALL. BECAUSE THE PROJECT IS IMPACTING THEM. THAT'S MY CONCERN. WITH EXPANDING. THE MAKEUP. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: IN DETROIT AND OVER THE AREAS, THEY CAME FROM THAT COMMUNITY, THAT MAKEUP, CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE EFFECTED AREA. >> CORRECT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE? IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE, TIER 1, SECTION 7. TWO, I SEE THE WORD "SHALL" ALL OVER THIS ORDINANCE, EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO ALTERNATIVE GREEN BUILDING CERTIFICATIONS AND RESILIENCY NUMBERS MEASURES, "MAY." CAN WE USE STRONGER LANGUAGE? SHOULD? SHALL? IF WE ARE GOING TO BE A RESILIENT CITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE CITY IS INVOLVED. >>SUSAN JOHNSON-VELEZ: PARAGRAPH 7? I SEE WHERE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. LEED BUILDING CERTIFICATIONS AND RESILIENCY. USE A LITTLE STRONGER LANGUAGE, SHALL OR SHOULD. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAKES A LOT OF DIFFERENCE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: IT DOES, IF WE ARE GOING TO BE THAT RESILIENT CITY. PLEASE AND THANK YOU. I'M ASKING FOR SOMETHING STRONGER. I'M SURE LEGAL WILL LOOK AT IT AND COME BACK. BECAUSE WE ARE JUST LISTENING TO THIS TODAY, AREN'T WE? WE AREN'T GOING TO TAKE ANY ACTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND I CAN ALWAYS CALL THEM ON THE PHONE AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT IT. COUNCILMAN GUDES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE COMING BACK WITH SOME OF THE SUGGESTED CORRECTIONS TO COME IN AND MOVE FOR A HEARING, CORRECT? SO WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THEM INDIVIDUALLY TO TAKE FEEDBACK THAT YOU HAVE TODAY AND WE HEAR SOME OF THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU SHARED WITH US, AND WE CAN MAKE THOSE PROPOSED CHANGES. IDEALLY, WE HAVE NUMBER 17th AS A PROPOSED HEARING THAT WE WILL BE OPENING IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND TAP THAT COMMENT AS WELL SO WE DON'T DELAY THIS PROCESS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOW WE STILL HAVE TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS. MR. ROBINSON. >> JOE ROBINSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS DEAR TO MY HEART. CHARLIE, YOU ARE RIGHT. LET MET EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU. FIRST OF ALL, NONE OF THESE DOCUMENTS WAS ONLINE FOR THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT. ZERO. I CAN'T EVEN FOLLOW IT. PUBLIC NEVER GOT THESE DOCUMENTS. THEY SAY THEY WANT YOU TO APPROVE THESE DOCUMENTS. SO PUT THE DOCUMENT, BECAUSE I CAN'T GO ALONG WITH SOMETHING I CAN'T SEE. NEXT THING IS, IF HANNA AVENUE WAS THE AREA, IT'S A PUBLIC PROPERTY BEEN DONE BY THE CITY, I GUESS THAT DON'T APPLY. IT DON'T APPLY TO THIS CBA. BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS DEVELOP A CITY PROPERTY. AND THAT PROPERTY IS WORTH SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS. COUNCILMAN, I CAN'T BELIEVE IT. LISTEN, YOU ARE RIGHT, THE VALUES, YOU GOT A SMALL CONTRACT THAT COMES IN HERE AND DOES A MILLION DOLLAR, YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH A CBA? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. I THINK WE GOT -- AND THEN CHARLIE, YOU ARE RIGHT, WE ARE ALL OVER -- YOU MAY HAVE TEN OF THESE PROJECTS GOING. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TEN OF THESE COMMITTEES GOING ON? YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TEN OF THESE PROJECTS ARE GOING ON IN THE CITY, ALL THE WAY FROM NEW TAMPA, ALL THE WAY TO SOUTH TAMPA, WEST TAMPA, EAST TAMPA, AND IN THE MIDDLE? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE -- YOU GOING TO HAVE TWO COMMITTEES FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE, YOU SAY YOU WANT SOMEONE FROM ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT OUT, MAN. BECAUSE YOU ALL GOT TO SIT IN A CORNER, GOT TO MAKE OUT AN APPLICATION, HAVE BACKGROUND CHECKS, SO BUT WE GOT TO DO ALL OF THAT BY THE TIME, YOU ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT TOO MUCH STUFF ON THE AGENDA SO YOU NEED TO APPOINT PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC AND YOU KNOW -- WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS THRESHOLD. WE NEED TO HAVE MAYBE ONE THING, AND PICK SOME PEOPLE LIKE ONE FROM EACH OF THE SINGLE-MEMBER DISTRICTS, AND THEN ADD THAT. THIS IS GOING TO BE HOCUS-POCUS. GET THE PEOPLE ON THE CRA. AND THEN PEOPLE THAT OWN BUSINESS IN THE CRA IS NOT GOING TO BE SITTING ON THAT. THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT I AM DEALING WITH THAT. BUT LIKE I SAID, THOSE NUMBERS IS AN ISSUE. THIS WAS NOT -- THESE DOCUMENTS ARE NOT UP FOR PUBLIC REVIEW. I KNOW HOWEVER YOU DO, LET'S MOVE IT, DON'T STOP IT, BUT WE WILL DIG INTO IT ONCE WE HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT IN WRITING, OKAY. RIGHT NOW SAY LET'S MOVE. HOWEVER, THERE'S SOME WORK AROUND WITH THIS COMMITTEE, HOW IT'S GOING TO BE, AND THE REPRESENTATION, AND THE EXAMPLE I GIVE WHERE THIS WOULD APPLY, WRONG GUY AND YOU ARE RIGHT, MR. GUDES, HOW DOES THE CRA COMMUNITY BENEFIT, AND I KNOW SOMEWHERE EXISTS, TIE INTO THIS SO-CALLED GLOBAL FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA? YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK BUT WE AIN'T GOT THAT TRACK STRAIGHT YET. SO LET'S JUST TRY -- I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS GRANT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION? CAN WE TAKE ITEM 13? PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME, AND WE GOT ABOUT TEN MINUTES SO THEY CAN EXPLAIN WHAT WE GOT HERE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET'S GET THROUGH THIS ONE FIRST. WE STILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS ONLINE. >> ALISON HEWITT, EAST TAMPA RESIDENT AND BUSINESS OWNER. I AM THRILLED THAT IT HAS COME OUT. I JUST HAVE SEVERAL COMMENTS FOR THREE OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED, AND MY COMMENTS ARE IN THE BODY HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. I WILL START WITH THE ORDINANCE, THE ORDINANCE DOCUMENT. ONE ON THE DEFINITIONS. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN GUDES, FOR BRINGING UP HOW THIS WILL RELATE TO THE CRA. I'M ALSO LOOKING AT THIS VERY SPECIFICALLY AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE OF THE EAST TAMPA CRA. SO THE PROVISION OF LAND BELOW THE BAYOU, DOES THAT MEAN THAT LAND WILL NOT BE CONTRIBUTION TO SOME PROJECTS, TO BE ABLE TO DO A LOT OF THE PROJECTS AND DEVELOPMENT IN EAST TAMPA AND IN HISTORICALLY UNDERSERVED AREAS? THERE'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DEVELOPING THIS. AND THAT HELPS THEM HAVE EQUITY IN THE PROJECT. THE SECOND ONE IS, WOULD THIS ALSO INCLUDE BORROWING AGAINST INCREASING TIF? THIS IS ALSO GOING TO BE A BLANKET FOR THE CRA. COULD WE ALSO, IN THE CITY PARTICIPATION, INCLUDE WHAT THEIR DEFINITION OF THE CRA PARTICIPATION WOULD BE? TWO PAGES OVER, ALL OF THESE ARE NUMB NUMBERED AS WELL. NUMBER 3, IS THERE A MINIMUM NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS TO QUALIFY AS AN ACCEPTABLE OUTREACH AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PRESENTATION PRESENTED? THEY HAVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON MAY 9th AND MAY 16th, WITH APPROXIMATELY 30 TO 40 PEOPLE AND 1292 RESPONSES. WHAT WILL BE -- WHAT YOU ACCEPT AS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION? IF THEY HAVE THE PROJECT AND THEY PUT IT OUT IN THESE PAPERS THAT ARE NOT READ AND CIRCULATIONS THAT ARE NOT READ, AND THEY ARE ONLY ONE OR TWO PEOPLE ATTEND, WILL YOU ACCEPT THAT? I DON'T KNOW WHO WILL BE THE PERSON THAT ACCEPTS IT OR NOT. BUT WOO WILL BE THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS FOR THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH? NUMBER 4, THANK YOU. THE LEED CERTIFICATIONS, MAKING IT MAY OR SHALL. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WITH THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, AND ACCESSIBILITY TO THESE TYPES OF MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES, WONDERING IF STAFF HAS ASCERTAINED IF THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, IF DEVELOPERS CAN ACTUALLY MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF LEED CERTIFICATION BASED ON AVAILABILITY. NUMBER 6 IS ALTERNATIVE TO THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM. THIS IS FOR EXEMPTIONS. NUMBER 7, WHO DECIDES THE PROCESS? THERE MIGHT BE NOT ENOUGH IN TAMPA TO PARTICIPATE BUT MAYBE AT A LOWER RESPONSIBILITY LEVEL, BECAUSE THINK OF A COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT FOR A NONPROFIT WILL BE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. [BELL SOUNDS] >>JOSEPH CITRO: 30 SECOND MORE, PLEASE. >> OKAY. THE CBAC, WHAT ARE THE RESPONSIBILITIES OTHER THAN ON SECTION 4 FOR THE STANDING MEMBERS, AND ALSO FOR THE AD HOC MEMBERS? IF WE ARE WILL GO AT EAST TAMPA CRA, AND THESE PROJECTS ARE WITHIN ONE MILE, WILL THOSE AD HOC MEMBERS BE ABLE TO GET SOME TYPE OF TRAINING OR INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE BEING ABLE TO REPRESENT THEIR COMMUNITY IN A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT? WE HAVE NOT HA HAD A DEVELOPMENT IN EAST TAMPA. WE HAVE INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITIES ABOUT TO HAPPEN. WILL THEY BE PROVIDED SOME TYPE OF INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN ACTIVELY PARTICIPATE? AND ONE LAST ONE ON EXHIBIT A, AS THE EAST TAMPA CRA TO ATTRACT SIGNIFICANT AND DEVELOPMENTS, THE COST OF FINANCING IS OFTEN A CHALLENGE. IF THE TIERS CAN BE MAYBE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THE CRA AREAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AREAS -- WE ARE TRYING TO HAVE THE SMALLER AFRICAN DEVELOPERS TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP OUR COMMUNITIES, AND COULD THOSE TIERS -- I APPRECIATE THE TIERS. BUT MAYBE ALLOW FOR WHOEVER MAKES THESE DECISIONS TO HAVE THOSE TIERS HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO ALLOW SOME MINORITY DEVELOPERS TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP IN OUR COMMUNITY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU. MS. POYNOR, ARE YOU ONLINE? MS. POYNOR? MS. BENNETT, ARE YOU ONLINE? >> HERE. I'M HERE. CAN YOU HEAR ME? >>JOSEPH CITRO: MS. POYNOR. >> YES, SIR. MY CONCERN IS, YOU ARE SITTING ON A BOARD OF SIX. >>JOSEPH CITRO: SEVEN. >> TWO AND THEN FOUR, RIGHT? >>JOSEPH CITRO: SEVEN. >> NEVER MIND, OKAY. THE OTHER THING IS, WHERE IN THE WORLD ARE YOU GOING TO FIND THE TWO PEOPLE? THEY ARE GOING TO BE STAYING ON COUNCIL ALL THE TIME. I THINK EVERYBODY IN THAT ROOM KNOWS, YOU COULD PROBABLY HAVE NO MORE THAN THAT ARE IN THAT ROOM RIGHT NOW THAT ARE CAPABLE OF SITTING ON THAT BOARD WHO ARE NOT ALREADY IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BE TRUSTED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE HAVE GOT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARILY A GREAT THING TO EXPAND IT. A SMALLER GROUP CAN GET MORE DONE, IF THERE'S SEVEN. OKAY. BUT I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF THE TIME PLACING THOSE PEOPLE WITH THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL THAN ANYTHING, BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH WHO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS HAPPENED, AND WE HAVE SEEN THIS EVEN RECENTLY, AND ALYSSE AND I WERE NO MEETING LAST WEEK AND SOMEBODY GOT ON A TANGENT WITH THE DEVELOPER AND SAID THAT'S GOING AWAY, WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT. SO I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH ALLISON THAT WE MUST HAVE TRAINING FOR THIS BOARD, AS YOU PROBABLY DO VIDEOS, AND PEOPLE SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO WATCH IT, AND THINGS LINING THAT. BUT MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS FINDING SOMEBODY OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO SERVE ON THAT BOARD. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MS. BENNETT. ARE YOU THERE? >> I'M SORRY. I DON'T HAVE A COMMENT. SO THANK YOU FOR ASKING. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THIS IS 15, CORRECT? OKAY. THANK YOU, MRS. BENNETT. ANY OTHER PERSON WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS IN CHAMBERS? THANK YOU. WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL? COUNCILMAN GUDES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN, GREAT FINALLY GOT IT DONE FOR US. THERE ARE A FEW THINGS, AND YOU HEARD THEM ALL. I THINK MS. HEWITT HAS SOME GREAT POINTS. MR. ROBINSON, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE COPIES OF THAT COMMUNITY? I DON'T WANT OUTSIDE PEOPLE THAT MAKE AN OPINION ABOUT THAT, THEY DON'T LIVE THERE, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I DON'T PUT NIG ANYBODY ON ANY BOARD WHO DON'T KNOW THE SUBJECT MATTER. SO I THINK IT'S -- WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT DO KNOW THE COMMUNITY, THEY DO KNOW DEVELOPMENT, THE IMPACTS, AND NOT JUST PUT PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM 90 YEARS ON ON A BOARD THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ECONOMIC IMPACT, PUT PEOPLE ON A BOARD THAT KNOW THE SUBJECT MATTER. I LOVE THE VOLUNTEERS, AND THEY SERVE ON CERTAIN BOARDS. ON CERTAIN BOARDS YOU HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT KNOW THE SUBJECT MATTER TO MAKE THINGS RUN. SO AGAIN, IN MY MIND, YOU HAVE GOT TO HAVE PEOPLE FROM THAT COMMUNITY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ONLY THING I REQUEST IN COMING FORWARD IS THAT YOU ADJUST MS. HEWITT'S QUESTIONS WHICH I THOUGHT WERE REALLY GOOD, AND BETWEEN THE CRA VERSUS THIS UMBRELLA ORGANIZATION AND HOW WE BALANCE ALL OF THAT OUT. , ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY OF FINDING APPROPRIATE PEOPLE TO SERVE ON THESE BOARDS. >>JOSEPH CITRO: WHAT ACTION SHOULD THIS COUNCIL TAKE? WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CAN WE LISTEN TO 13? THE MAN HAS TO BE IN TALLAHASSEE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. COULD WE HAVE SOME ACTION ON THIS ONE FIRST? >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I INQUIRE? HOW MUCH TIME DOES COUNCIL WISH TO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND RESHBEFORE IT COMES BACK? THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT NOVEMBER. I WONDER IF THAT'S SUFFICIENT TIME FOR COUNCIL TO DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE MR. GUDES TO CONSIDER THE NEW BUSINESS ITEM. >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS DECEMBER SOON ENOUGH? HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE? WE ARE GOOD. HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE? >> WE WOULD LIKE TO SET IT FOR NOVEMBER 17th AND THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE THE APPROPRIATE CHANGES, MR. CHAIR. >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOVEMBER 17th. >> THAT WILL BE FOR FIRST READING, MR. CHAIR. >>JOSEPH CITRO: FOR FIRST READING. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. IS THERE ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE WILL HEAR 13. WITHOUT OBJECTION? THANK YOU. >> >>SAL RUGGIERO: DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR, WE ARE ON ITEM NUMBER 13. WE HAVE A VIDEO THAT WE WANT TO PLAY THAT GIVES AN OVERALL VIEW OF WHAT WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. AND THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE MOTION. AND THEN WE HAVE EXPERTS HERE FOR THE TEAM FOR QUESTIONS. SO I KNOW MOST OF YOU DID A TOUR OF THE FACILITY. THIS THIS WILL BE LIKE A REFRESHER BUT SHOW THE PUBLIC EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. SO WITHOUT ANY FURTHER ADO, CTTV, PLEASE PLAY THAT VIDEO. >> THIS IS THE MACKAY BAY WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY, A SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT, IT PROVIDES A RELIABLE, MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS METHOD OF MANAGING RACE. WASTE TO ENERGY PROCESS TAKES NONHAZARDOUS WASTES AND COMBUSTS IT TO ELECTRICITY. EACH DAY, MACKAY BAY CONVERTS MORE THAN 2 MILLION POUNDS OF HOUSEHOLD AND COMMERCIAL WASTE INTO ELECTRICAL ENERGY, ENOUGH TO POWER APPROXIMATELY 15,000 HOMES MONTHLY. THE ASH LEFT OVER IS THEN PROCESSED TO RECOVER METAL FOR RECYCLING. NOW ALL GASES ARE PUT THROUGH A MULTI-STEP POLLUTION CONTROL SYSTEM. MAINTAINING A FACILITY CAN LEAD TO BE EXCEED INDUSTRY STANDARDS WILL KEEP THE FACILITY FUNCTIONING FOR GENERATIONERS TO COME AND HELP US INVEST IN A BRIGHTER FUTURE FOR OUR CITY. INVESTING IN OUR FUTURE MEANS INVESTING IN THE FACILITY. OVERALL, 12 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ARE NEEDED TO MAINTAIN OUR WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY. HERE IS A CLOSER LOOK AT FIVE OF THEM. THE ASH SCALPER BUILDING REQUIRES MAJOR REPAIRS. THIS BUILDING IS FOR ASH AND EQUIPMENT ARE STORED LOCATED AND CONTAINED, AND IS REQUIRED FOR SAFE OPERATIONS OF THE FACILITY. AFTER MORE THAN 30 YEARS OF USE, THIS BUILDING IS IN DIRE NEED OF REFURBISHMENT TO AVOID ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, SAFETY HAZARDS, AND TO STAY WITHIN THE REGULATIONS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY. THESE COOLING TOWERS ARE USED TO COOL DOWN THE STEAM USED FOR ELECTRICITY GENERATION. ONCE COOL, WATER IS THEN RECIRCULATED THROUGH THE SYSTEM TO BEGIN THE PROCESS AGAIN. THESE COOLING TOWERS ARE ORIGINAL TO THE FACILITY, AND AFTER 37 YEARS, THE SUPPORT STRUCTURE IS IN JEOPARDY OF FAILURE IF NOT REMEDIED SOON. IF A FAILURE OCCURS, IT WOULD BE CATASTROPHIC TO FACILITY OPERATIONS. THE UPGRADES NEEDED INCLUDE THE REPLACEMENT OF THE STRUCTURE FOR THE COOLING TOWERS, THE FIRE RESISTANT DECK AND THE REPLACEMENT OF CORRODING PIPES ARE NEEDED. WASTE COMBUSTION NEVER STOPS AT McKAY IT BAY WHICH MEANS THE TURBINE GENERATOR OPERATES AROUND THE CLOCK, PRESSURIZED STEAM FROM CONGESTION, FAN BLADES AT SPEEDS OF 3600 REVOLUTIONS PER MINUTE. THE RECOMMENDED LIFE SPAN OF A TURBINE GENERATOR IS FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS. AFTER NINE YEARS OF USE, THIS EQUIPMENT NEEDS A COMPLETE OVERHAUL. WITHOUT THE TURBINE, ELECTRICITY CANNOT BE GENERATED. TO CONTINUE GENERATING ELECTRICAL ENERGY EFFICIENTLY, A NEW TRANSFORMER IS ALSO REQUIRED. THE MAIN TRANSFORMER SHOWN HERE STEPS UP THE VOLTAGE PRODUCED BY THE GENERATOR, THAT SUPPLIES POURER TO THE CITY OF TAMPA. THESE CRAINE CRANES ARE ORIGINAL THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY AND HAVE BEEN IN USE SINCE THE OPENING IN 1984. TO KEEP THE COMBUSTION PROCESS GOING, THESE CRANES MUST CONTINUALLY FEED RACE FROM THE STORAGE PIT TO THE BOILERS. THEY CAN GRAB UP TO 5,000 POUNDS OF WASTE AND ENDURE USE 24/7. UPKEEP OF THE CRANES ARE CHALLENGING AND COSTLY ESPECIALLY AS REQUIRED PARTS BECOME OBSOLETE. BOTH CRANES NEED REPLACEMENT. OTHER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR McKAY WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY INCLUDE UPGRADES TO THE SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE USED TO OPERATE AND CONTROL THE FACILITY. AS WELL AS REPLACEMENT AND REPAIR OF STOCK, BUMPER, BURNER AND EXPELLER. WITHOUT THESE MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS, THE CITY OF TAMPA WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PROCESS THE THOUSANDS OF POUNDS OF WASTE THAT CITY RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES GENERATE DAILY. A STEP IN THE WRONG DIRECTION TOWARDS TRANSFORMING TAMPA'S TOMORROW. WITHOUT THIS FACILITY, OUR WASTE WOULD NEED TO BE SENT TO A LANDFILL OR TRANSPORTED TO A SURROUNDING COUNTY'S WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY. FINALLY, LAND IS NOT AVAILABLE WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA LIMITS FOR LANDFILL. ACCORDING TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY, THIS IS THE LEAST PREFERRED METHOD TO DISPOSE OF WASTE. THIS PROCESS REQUIRES WASTE TO BE BURIED AND OVER TIME BACTERIA WILL BREAK DOWN, GENERATING METHANE AND CARBON DIOXIDE. TIMES MORE POTENT AS TAMPA R A CLIMATE CHANGING GAS THAN CO2. TRANSPORTING AND PROCESSING CITY OF TAMPA'S WASTE TO SURROUNDING COUNTY WASTE FACILITIES IS NOT AN EFFECTIVE OR EFFICIENT METHOD OF DISPOSAL. THIS PROCESS WOULD GREATLY INCREASE OUR COSTS AND DECREASE OUR VEHICLE LIFE SPAN AS WELL AS HARM THE OVERALL OPERATIONS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA SOLID WASTE AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAM MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY, NEARBY WASTE PROCESSING AND MANAGEMENT SITES ARE WILLING TO COME TO THE RESCUE OF CITY OF TAMPA, BUT ARE UNABLE TO DO SO FOR A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TIME. BY USE ALTERNATIVE SITES, THE CITY OF TAMPA WOULD PUT OPERATIONS OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AT RISK AND LOWER THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THEIR FACILITIES, A COST THEY AREN'T WILLING TO PAY. INVESTING IN THE MACKAY BAY WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY IS INVESTIGATION IN THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND ITS FUTURE. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT VIDEO, COUNCIL. I WANT TO MAKE A FEW BRIEF COMMENTS. I KNOW YOUR TIME MANAGEMENT IMPORTANT. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU WOULD LIKE ANSWERED. WE HAVE SOME CITY AND OUTSIDE FOLKS HERE. JUST A QUICK REMINDER OF SOMEONE YOU SOMETHING LAST WEEK BY THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF OF STAFF. WHEN WE START TO GET INTO A FLOW OF DOING THESE UPDATES FOR YOU ON A SEMIANNUAL BASIS, WE WILL BE FOLLOWING WHAT THE STAFF MENTIONED. WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS ALL ALONG. IT'S JUST A LITTLE MORE ORGANIZED FASHION, AND SO JUST WANT TOPPED REITERATE, THAT IS GOING TO BE OUR CONSISTENT FORMAT GOING FORWARD. TO JUST BRIEFLY AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT THE MOTION TODAY. WE HAVE A FRAMEWORK, AND THAT IS OUR 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT'S ACTUALLY VERY IMPRESS WIFE BECAUSE IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, STARTS ON PAGE 219, BY THE WAY. AND ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT COVER THE CITY'S MISSION AND SERVICES. THE PLAN ALSO OUTLINES OUR GOALS, OUR OBVIOUS AND POLICY FOR WASTE MANAGEMENT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LARGER CITY VISION. JUST WANT TO MENTION A COUPLE OF GOALS THAT ARE MENTIONED IN THIS PLAN. GOAL ONE, PROVIDE A LONG-TERM COST EFFECTIVE INTEGRATED SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM DESIGNED TO PROVIDE A SAFE AND EFFICIENT SOLID WASTE COLLECTION AND DISPOSAL FOR THE CITY'S DESIGNATED SERVICE AREA. JUST ONE KEY GOAL, GOAL NUMBER TWO, REDUCE THE VOLUME OF SOLID WASTE SENT TO THE LANDFILL IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN PUBLIC HEALTH, QUALITY, AND LAND USE COMPATIBILITY. AND WITH THAT, ONE OF THE OTHER OBJECTIVES THAT I WILL MENTION, MAINTAIN, MONITOR AND MAXIMIZE THE USE OF FACILITIES AND EQUIPMENT TO ENSURE ADEQUATE PROVISION OF SOLID WASTE SERVICES. SO YOU CAN SEE FROM THE VIDEO FROM OUR POLICIES OF OUR COMP PLAN COMMITTED TO THIS PLAN, WE ARE COMMITTED TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS IT PROVIDES,WE ARE COMMITTED TO RECEIVING THE REVENUE AND REDUCING OUR COSTS FOR WASTE MANAGEMENT. I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT UNDER THE FRAMEWORK OF THAT BIGGER COMP PLAN, WE HAVE THE FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. IN FACT, APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. ANOTHER LAYER OF PLANNING OVER THAT PLAN IS A MORE FLUENT TEN-YEAR CIP PROJECTION. SO WE HAVE THE REHABILITATION, WE HAVE THE PRO TECH TOUGH NEEDS AND COSTS, THEN WE HAVE THE FRAMEWORK OF THE POLICY AND GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING IN TERMS OF THIS ASSET AND EVERY OTHER ASSET WE HAVE FOR ALL OF OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS. SO I FEEL WE HAVE GREAT PLANNING STRUCTURE, PLANNING DECISION MAKING OPPORTUNITY. I WILL MENTION SOME OF THE COMPONENTS THAT NEED TO BE UPGRADED. SOME OF YOU WERE ABLE TO JOIN US ON A TOUR AND SAW FIRSTHAND SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE. SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO MAKING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE RECENT CONTRAT THAT WAS ISSUED WITH CPPI INCORPORATE. SO WITH THAT, I WILL JUST PAUSE HERE AND GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS I.WANTED TO BE BRIEF CONSIDERING THE TIME. AND WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WAS A VERY SOOTHING AND INFORMATIVE VIDEO. BUT I WILL SAY, I APPRECIATE CHUCK AND EVERYBODY ELSE FOR GIVING ME AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS THE TOUR OF THE ENTIRE FACILITY. IT'S ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING. I KNOW TRASH ISN'T GLAMOROUS, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW A CITY NEEDS TO BE RUN AND MANAGED, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL. WE OFTEN SAY THERE ARE WANTS AND NEEDS, AND THIS IS A NEED AND NECESSITY BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A TURBINE FAILURE, ANY KIND OF FAILURE, WE TALK ABOUT 30 YEARS, AND THEN I HEARD ABOUT EQUIPMENT FROM 1984. WAUGH THROUGH THAT BUILDING AN THERE ARE PLAQUES ON THE WALL FROM 1967 AND ALL THE FACILITIES THAT NO LONGER EXIST BUT WE HAVE DOING THIS FOR OVER HALF A CENTURY. IF THERE IS A MAJOR DISRUPTION IN SERVICE, NOT ONLY DO WE LOSE REVENUE FROM THE ENERGY ASPECT OF IT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO OUR CITY WHEN WE HAVE THESE SERVICES COME TO BASICALLY A HALT, AND WE HAVE TO OUTSOURCE AND USE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES SERVICES. WHICH ARE GOING TO BE VERY INTENSIVE. IT'S GOING TO CAUSE A TREMENDOUS BACKLOG. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE HERE WITH PITCHFORKS BECAUSE AGAIN TRASH PICKUP AND MANAGEMENT, SOLID WASTE PICKUP AND MANAGEMENT ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL. WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE KIND OF INVESTMENTS, AND LOOKING OUT REACHED THE 30-YEAR LIFE SPAN NOW, AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE FUTURE PUPPET THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY. AGAIN, AFTER TAKING A TOUR OF THE FACILITY, IT'S VERY EYE OPENING. YOU SEE WHAT NEEDS MAINTENANCE, YOU SEE PATCHWORK. WE DO OUR BEST TO KEEP THINGS GOING WITHOUT SPENDING HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY BUT I THINK WE REACHED A POINT WHERE THE NEED TO MAKE AFTERNOON INVESTMENT IN THE FUTURE IS NOW AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL AND NECESSARY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM GOING TO ECHO WHAT COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO SAID SO -- IF YOU SEE IT, IT'S 100% NEED. BUT OVERALL, INCLUDED IN THIS, OR MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE SEPARATE, IS A DISCUSSION OF HOW MUCH TRASH THIS MUNICIPAL CREATES. TO GO ALONG WITH THIS, AND WITH THE LITTER PICKUP PROGRAM, HOW DO YOU DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT'S COMING IN FROM RESIDENTS? AND JUST HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE THAT? I HAVE TALKED TO PROBABLY EACH OF YOU AD NAUSEAM ABOUT MY PERSONAL OPINIONS BECAUSE I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT IT, BUT ALSO THE IDEA OF IF WE CREATE LESS TRASH OURSELVES, THEN WE HAVE MORE SPACE TO CHARGE MORE PEOPLE COMING FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY AND CREATING MORE REVENUE. SO THAT'S MY OTHER POINT, IS WE CAN ACTUALLY INCREASE THE REVENUE IF WE DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT WE PRODUCE. WHICH SOUND COUNTERINTUITIVE BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE AWESOME, AND AGAIN, TO CONTINUE THAT TRASH -- THANK YOU. >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK WE OUGHT TO CONTINUE THIS. ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION OF THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE IN THE ITEM THAT WAS PUT ON THERE. THIS ITEM WAS ABOUT THE 30-YEAR PLAN AND POLICIES OF THE INCINERATOR, NOT WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE THE INCINERATOR OR NOT. I HAVE NOT YET HAD A CHANCE TO PERSONALLY TOUR THE INCINERATOR BUT I AM GOING TO, IF I CAN, BECAUSE I AM FASCINATED IT WITH. AND I HAVE NEVER BEEN AGAINST THE INCINERATOR. MY PROBLEM IS WHEN WE HAD STAFF BEFORE US TALKING ABOUT THE 265 MILLION THAT WAS THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN, AND I ASKED VERY BASIC QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S THE 30-YEAR PLAN? AND THE VIDEO IS INTERESTING FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT WERE HINTED AT IN THE VIDEO THAT I AM NOT SURE WE ARE UNDER THE 265 MILLION, AND THE QUESTION WAS, WHAT'S THE 30-YEAR PLAN? AND I CONSIDER FOR THE CAN SITE HERE FOR THE NEXT 30, 45 MINUTES AND ASK QUESTIONS, BUT I WOULD RATHER RESCHEDULE THIS, AND IT'S NOT ABOUT JUST GIVING US DOCUMENTS AND HAVING US READ IT EITHER. IT'S ABOUT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING IT. AND THE VIDEO IT WAS REFERRED TO THAT IT'S MORE MONEY AND IT WOULD BE WASTE NHLFUL TO GO TO A LANDFUL. I TALK TO ENVIRONMENTALISTS. IF WE ARE GOING TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, THEN LET'S DO IT WITH DATA TO SHOW US WHAT THE ACTUAL COST DIFFERENCE IS. THAT'S THE THING I.WAS NOT ASKING THE QUESTION SO WE COULD ARGUE THAT WE SEND TRUCKS UP TO FACT. I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION SO WE COULD SHOW THE PUBLIC THIS IS A BETTER DECISION. AND ON THE 30 YEAR PLAN IF IN IS GOING TO COST $L 2657 MILLION FOR FIVE YEARS AND PAYING FOR TURBINES, WHAT ABOUT ALL THE OTHER THINGS? IT SOUND LIKE THE WHOLE THING NEEDS TO BE PRETTY MUCH REBUILT BECAUSE IT'S 37 YEARS OLD OR SO FAR. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE. THAT'S THE SIMPLE QUESTION. WHAT'S THE 30-YEAR PLAN? YOU PRESENTED GOALS LAST TIME, I ASKED ABOUT GOALS, AND NOBODY HAD ANY. THAT THEY COULD TALK ABOUT SO AT LEAST WE GOT THAT. BUT THERE SHOULD BE A LIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED OVER A 30-YEAR PERIOD, AND AT LEAST SOME OF THAT -- TEN YEARS IS JUST NOT ENOUGH BECAUSE IT'S NOT A FULL PROJECT. I CAN ASK SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS NOW BUT WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. I WOULD RATHER CONTINUE THIS UNTIL JANUARY 26th WORKSHOP. AND I WOULD ASK MS. DUNCAN TO HAVE A LONGER CONVERSATION ABOUT PRESENTING THIS IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.% WHEN YOU LOOK AT GOVERNMENT OR YOU LOOK AT A PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME STRUCTURE IN A WAY. WHEN YOU LEASE A CAR OR BUY A CAR, WHAT HAPPENS? WITH YOU BUY A CAR. YOU HAVE IT FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. YOU LEASE A CAR, USUALLY YOU LEASE IT FOR A YEAR. AT THE END OF 20 YEARS YOU HAVE LEASED 20 CARS AND YOU STILL DON'T OWN THE CAR. AND YOU HAVE GOT TO PROVIDE THE INSURANCE AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. WHEN YOU BUY A CAR, IT'S YOURS. IT USED TO BE WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER, 18 MONTHS AND THEN IT WENT TO 24 MONTHS AND THEN WENT TO FIVE YEARS. NOW YOU BUY A CAR IT GOES TO 8 YEARS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BECOME SO EXPENSIVE SOMETIMES. SO I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN OWNING YOUR OWN ASSETS. I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN OWNING YOUR OWN ASSETS. ALL RIGHT. FIRST OF ALL, YOU CONTROL THE PRICE OF THE COMMODITY. THAT PROVISION WAS LEASED OUT TO BE WHEELABRATOR, IF I REMEMBER. WHEN WE FIND OUT WHAT THE ITEMS ARE, AND THEY SHOULD BE, AND COME UP WITH AN OPERATIONAL, AND THEN DO -- AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS PART OF THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT, AM I CORRECT? SO WE CAN EXTRAPOLATE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE I GOT THE WORD EXTRAPOLATE, BUT WHEN YOU TAKE IT OUT OF THE SOLID WASTE DIVISION, YOU CAN TELL BY THE ACCOUNTING OPERATION WHAT IT GENERATES AND WHAT IT COSTS TO GENERATE. ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES, ALL OF THE BENEFITS. WHEN YOU PUT THAT NUMBER ASIDE, AND YOU COMPARE IT WHERE I AM NOT GOING, IS TO RELEASE TO THE ANOTHER COMPANY SO THEY CAN MAKE MILLIONS OFF THE TAXPAYERS' BACK, I AM NOT GOING TO GO FOR THAT. I'LL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. SO I DON'T NOT ABOUT THE OTHER SIX BUT THIS CUBAN AIN'T GOING FOR THAT. PERIOD. SO WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHEN WE TOOK THE OATH OF OFFICE TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE IT THE BETTER PLACE. AND I WANT TO SEE THIS THING WHETHER IT'S TODAY OR TOMORROW OR NEXT WEEK, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO ANOTHER YEAR, TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT EVERY DAY I AM TAKING A RISK. DID WE KNOW IT WAS THERE? YES. THERE ARE OTHER NEEDS YOU HAD TO FIND IN THE CITY. AND THE NEEDS ARE GOING TO GET TIGHTER AFTER 2026. AND YOU THE WON'T HAVE THE CIP TAXES TO GIVE MILLIONS AWAY TO A CERTAIN ENTITY. I AM NOT GOING TO MENTION THE ENTITY. EVERY TIME YOU HAVE AN EVENT THERE IT COSTS $250,000. NOBODY GIVES A DAMN BECAUSE IT'S A GLAMOROUS THING. THIS IS NOT GLAMOROUS BUT IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING WE ARE GOING TO DO TO MAKE THE CITY WHOLE, THE PROJECT AND THE PIPES. NOW YOU HAVE THINGS FOR THE FUTURE FOR THE JEN NEXT GENERATION TO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THIS CITY TO FUNCTION, TO BE RECOGNIZED AS ONE OF THE BEST CITIES IN AMERICA. ALTHOUGH I HEARD WE DON'T HAVE THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER, I SAW SOMETHING ON TV WRITE THINK TAMPA IS RANKED TOP 3 OR 4 IN RELOCATION OF TECH COMPANIES AND I WANT TO VERIFY THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SAY SEWING THAT'S NOT FACTUAL. BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS I SEE AND NEED, THAT IF YOU TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF, YOU TAKE CARE OF THE CITY. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU ARE A HOMEOWNER, YOU DO WELL, THE CITY DOES WELL. WITHOUT HOMEOWNERS, WITHOUT THE PARTICIPATION OF CITIZENS, WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE CITIZENS THAT WE REPRESENT THAT HAVE TO BURDEN THE COST. BUT IN BURDENING THESE COSTS, IT ALSO RETURNS A REWARD THROUGH SOLID WASTE. AND IN 2026, YOU GIVE THE CIP TAX, AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THIS. COINCIDENTALLY, THAT'S WHEN ANOTHER SPORTS TEAM FROM ACROSS THE BAY WANTS TO COME TO TAMPA. DOWNTOWN HEAR NOTHING MOVING, WHAT'S OUT BECAUSE THE STORM IS COMING. WE CAN'T EVEN FIND IT ON THE RADAR SCREEN. BUT THIS IS ANOTHER ITEM, WE NEED TO BRING IN A BASEBALL TEAM? DON'T GO THERE BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS YOU WON'T HAVE MONEY TO EAT. THEY'LL TAKE IT ALL. LIKE THE CRA. LIKE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. AND DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS ARE MET, COSTS THEM A DOLLAR FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS, IT'S ALL THERE. THEY ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THE PROJECT WITH YOUR MONEY. THEY ARE GOING TO PAY AND YOU PAY THE OTHER HALF. IT'S ZERO. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITY'S DEPARTMENT NEEDS. AND AFTER 2046 THERE IS NO MORE CIP TAX. AND THAT'S USED MAINLY FOR REPLACEMENT OF EQUIPMENT. AUTOMOBILES, TRUCKS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, FIRE ENGINES, AND SO FORTH. SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, WE HAVE TO FACE IT. ELSE. YOU HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT YOU HAVE. YOU CANNOT LET IT GO PAST ANOTHER YEAR. IF ONE OF THOSE TURBINES GO OR ANY OTHER PART OF THOSE GO, IT TAKES ABOUT A YEAR TO GET AN ORDER TO GET IT DELIVERED AND SO FORTH. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM. I AM NOT TRYING TO SCARE ANYONE. I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT THE FACTS ARE. WE HAVE TO BE VIGILANT OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO PAY ON A DAILY BASIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN GUDES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW GOVERNMENT OPERATES. I JUST WANT TO KNOW. THE COUNCILMAN HAS ASKED FOR CERTAIN DOCUMENTS. ALWAYS SAY IF I KNOW THE FACTS AND I HAVE THE INFORMATION, I CAN DECIDE. RIGHT WHAT WAY. WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST? 30 YEARS. AND YOU SEE SOMETHING TO THE NAKED EYE, YOU GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING WHERE YOU HAVE GOT TO GO. I WENT OUT THERE. BUT I SAW THE GARBAGE. I LOOKED AT THE AREA. LOOKED AT A LOT OF EQUIPMENT THAT IS BEING REPLACED. IT'S A NICE VIDEO, BUT THE PUBLIC -- YOU WANT MONEY BUT THE PUBLIC IS SEEING THIS STUFF UP FRONT AND CLOSE, AND IF SOMETHING FAILS OVER THERE, QUEER IN TROUBLE. THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. I MEAN, I'M OH ALL FOR DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO. AND MR. MIRANDA SAID, OWNING THE ASSET. IF I OWN THE ASSET, I CAN CONTROL IT. IF I OWN THE ASSET, I CAN MAKE MONEY OFF MY AS SET. WHY IN THE WORLD, OTHER THAN MAKING MONEY WHICH THE CITY DOES ALL THE TIME, LET SOMEBODY ELSE MAKE THE MONEY, AND OUR GENERAL FUND COUNTS, I JUST SAY, I THINK WE NEED TO GET ALL THE FACTS, WHETHER IT'S 10 YEARS, 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS, VANDE THE INFORMATION. WHAT IS THIS GOING TO COST? IT'S A NECESSITY. WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO BURN THE TRASH, MAYBE IT'S A SECRET, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE GARBAGE OUT THERE, PEOPLE WITH GARBAGE. THAT'S A NECESSITY, FOLKS. I JUST SAY GIVE ALL THE FACT, GIVE WHAT WE ASK, AND I AM SURE YOU ARE GOING TO GET WHAT YOU NEED AND THE PUBLIC CAN BE AWARE AND I CAN JUSTIFY IT. THAT'S A MEETING WE HAVE TO HAVE. THINK ABOUT IT. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE. I AM IN SUPPORT. JUST BRING IT TO THE PUBLIC. AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THE PLANS. >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS AN ISSUE ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND SHOWING THE PUBLIC WE ARE BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THEIR MONEY. AND COUNCILMAN MEMBER MIRANDA BROUGHT UP A GREAT ANALOGY THAT I WILL STEEL, TALKING ABOUT USED CARS OR LEASED CARS. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WILL BE A GOOD ANALOGY OR NOT BUT LET'S IMAGINE YOU GO TO A USED CAR DEALER AND YOU SEE A CAR AND YOU ASK THE DEALER, IS THERE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT CAR? I DON'T KNOW. WELL, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT REPLACING IT? I DON'T KNOW. AND THEN SHOULD YOU DO THAT OR NOT? SHOULD YOU BUY THAT CAR STILL? OR YOU GET, AND SINCE WE ARE CUSTODIANS OF OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, NOT OUR OWN, WE WOULD GET A MECHANIC TO GO THERE AND LOOK AT THE CAR AND THEN THE MECHANIC WOULD SAY, YOU HAVE GOT 20,000 MAILS LEFT ON THAT TRANSMISSION, AND IN 20,000 MILES IT'S GOING TO COST YOU A THOUSAND DOLLARS OR WHATEVER. YOU HAVE GOT ANOTHER 20, $30,000 ON THIS PIECE AND 40 THAT YOU THON AND IT'S GOING TO COST YOU ALL OF THIS AND HERE IS THE SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE YOU HAVE TO DO OVER TIME. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE BEING GOOD FISCAL STEWARDS WOULD DO. IN THIS CASE, WE TOOK OVER A FACILITY THAT WAS RUN BY SOMEBODY ELSE, THAT STAFF SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS BEING RUN VERY WELL. WE ALL AGREED, I THINK I VOTED FOR THAT, WE AGREED A COUPLE YEARS AGO TO TAKE IT OVER AND WE WERE ALL EXCITED ABOUT THAT. WHEN THE STAFF CAME BACK THEY SAID, $265 MILLION FOR THE TURBINE IN THIS FIRST PHASE, AND I ASKED A BASIC QUESTION, HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST AFTER THAT? I DON'T KNOW. WHEN YOU ASK THE QUESTION, LOOK AT THE VIDEO, WHEN YOU BOUGHT DID IT YOU DO DUE DILIGENCE? DID YOU GET THE MECHANIC TO GO LOOK UNDER THE HOOD AND SEE WHAT'S WRONG? I DON'T KNOW. DID YOU DETERMINE WHEN YOU BOUGHT 2002 YEARS AGO HOW MUCH IT WAS GOING TO COST TO FIX IT? I DON'T KNOW. AND SO MY CONCERN WAS, HOW ARE WE BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THE PUBLIC'S MONEY? IT'S NOT ABOUT THIS STUFF THAT'S IN THE VIDEO. ARE WE BEING GOOD CUSTODIANS. PUBLIC'S MONEY AND WE NEED TO SET EXPECTATIONS ABOUT WHAT TO DO IN THE FUTURE. IF IT'S GOING TO BE 5 BILLION DOLLARS, LET'S NOT BE SCARED OF THE NUMBERS, LET'S JUST GET IT OUT THERE FOR THE RT PUBLIC AND FINANCE WE DON'T KNOW WITH 100 PERCENT CERTAINTY THEN SAY 50% SETTY OR SOMETHING SO WE CAN SET EXPECTATIONS. MY REQUEST, I MADE A MOTION, TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL JANUARY 26th. IFICATION I MAY, AND I WON'T SPEAK NO MORE. CAN I ASK A QUESTION, DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST? >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE ARE NOT HERE FOR A VOTE TODAY. WE HAVE A $$17 MILLION CONTRACT ALREADY IN PLACE THAT WE ARE WORKING ON BUT WE DECIDED TO LOOKING TAKING OVER THIS FACILITY, A COMPANY DID EXTENSIVE WORK WITH US, TO DO THAT, ANTICIPATED EXPENDITURE, PLANNING, REVENUE COMPARISONS AND SO FORTH. WE HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTATION THAT LED US TO THE DECISION FOUR YEARS AGO TO CONTINUE TO BE COMMITTED TO THIS PLANT AND MAKE THE APPROPRIATE UPGRADE. OUR INDUSTRY STANDARD DOES NOT CALL FOR A 30-YEAR REVENUE EQUIPMENT-LEVEL DETAILED PLAN. OUR INDUSTRY STANDARD IS FOR A FIVE-YEAR CIP AND A TEN-YEAR PROJECTION. WE CANNOT AN ADVERTISE ANTICIPATE 30 YEARS THE TECHNOLOGY, THE COST, THE WORLD DYNAMICS. IT'S JUST NOT REASONABLE TO HAVE THAT FAR OF A PROJECTION. WE STAND ON THE POLICIES, WE STAND ON THE PLANNING, WE STAND ON THE RESEARCH AND THE DATA THAT HAS LED TO US THIS POINT. WE ATTEMPTED TO SHARE THAT FRAMEWORK AND THOSE POLICIES TODAY PER THE MOTION. IT IS NOT A $265 MILLION PROJECT. SO AGAIN WE HAVE AN APPROVED FIVE-YEAR CIP THAT HAS THE TRANSFORMER NEXT FIVE YEARS OF COST IN IT. IT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED. WE HAVE A TEN YEAR PROJECTION THAT WE USE FOR PLANNING PURPOSES. EVERY YEAR WE ADD THE NEW FIFTH YEAR OR NEWER TENTH YEAR AS WE CONTINUE TO BE LOOK AHEAD OF THE NEED, THE TECHNOLOGY, THE USE AND ALL THOSE FACTORS SO WE ARE IN A GOOD PLACE WITH THE PLANNING, WE HAVE ALL THE INTERNAL STAFF LOOKING AT IT FROM DIFFERENT ANGLES, FINANCE, SUSTAINABILITY RESILIENCY ENGINEERING EVERYTHING. AND I THINK THE PUBLIC WILL BE PLEASED TO SEE THE CONTINUED GOOD SERVICE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING, THE GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENT, AND THE GOOD OF BENEFITS THAT COME OUT OF THIS PLAN. SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME MAKE THOSE COMMENTS. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I CAN ASK QUESTIONS ALL DAY, BUT THERE WAS A NUMBER THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US FOR FIVE YEARS, AND THEN YOU SAID THERE'S TEN YEARS, BUT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THE INFORMATION. AS COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID, WHY CAN'T WE JUST TELL THE PUBLIC THAT INFORMATION? AND SO I WOULD ASK AGAIN, MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO JANUARY 26th, AND I WILL HAVE CONVERSATIONS, AS MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF -- >>JEAN DUNCAN: THE FIVE-YEAR CIP IS OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC. THAT'S A KNOWN CAST TODAY. WITH THOSE ASSETS THAT NEED TO BE UPGRADED. BEYOND THAT IT'S PROJECTIONS OF ANTICIPATION, WHICH IS MORE FLUID. BUT THIS LIKE EVERY OTHER AGENCY, EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT, THE SNAPSHOT IN TIME WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS TODAY IS THAT INFORMATION WHICH IS MADE PUBLIC, AT PUBLIC HEARINGS, AND THE COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE -- >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT YOU TO SAY THE NUMBER. AND WE CAN CONTINUE OR WE CAN -- WE CAN CONTINUE THIS OR WE CAN -- I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. THE PUBLIC JUST WANTS TO KNOW. BUT I WOULD RATHER JUST CONTINUE THIS AND WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER -- >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS A MOTION. DO I HEAR A SECOND? LET'S BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WELL, I WANT TO BRING IT IN FOR A LANDING BUT IF SHE CAN GET THE INFORMATION SOONER BACK THAN JANUARY THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, MOVE FORWARD. MR. CHAIRMAN, MS. DUNCAN, IF YOU GET THIS INFORMATION BACK TO US SOONER THAN JANUARY I WILL WILL YOU ACCEPT IN A AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? >>BILL CARLSON: YES, SIR. I JUST PUT THAT THE WAY. THERE'S NO WORKSHOP IN DECEMBER. I CAN HAPPY TO DO A STAFF REPORT. I MEAN, THE REQUEST SIMPLY IS TELL T HE WILL -- I DISAGREE ABOUT THE 30-YEAR THING, BUT WHATEVER IT IS, TELL US YOU PRESENTED LIKE FIVE THINGS IN THE VIDEO THAT NEED TO BE DONE AND I DON'T THINK ALL FIVE THINGS ARE UNDER THE MONEY THAT WE APPROVED BEFORE SO WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, OVER WHAT AMOUNT OF TIME. THERE'S SOME BASIC MAINTENANCE AND SOME LIFE SPAN OF DIFFERENT PIECES. A IF JUST KNOW THAT AS FAR OUT, JUST BE TRANSPARENT WITH THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST, AND NOT -- I AM NOT BUILDING UP A CASE TO ARGUE AGAINST IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC. >>JEAN DUNCAN: FIVE YEARS SPECIFIC ASSET NEEDS AND DOLLARS IN OUR APPROVED BUDGET ALREADY WHICH IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC ON OUR WEBSITE. >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S WHY I WANTED -- >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE ARE AS TRANSPARENT AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA PLEASE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND WE PUT IT OUT THERE BUT I WANT TO SATISFY EVERYONE. WE PUT IT SOMEWHERE, LIKE AN ITEM TOMORROW MORNING, ON YOUR WEBSITE, WHATEVER IT IS, AND EXPLAIN MAYBE TELL US EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING, WHAT YOU ARE THINKING, WHAT THE TOTAL COST IS, ANTICIPATED COST IN FIVE YEARS? AFTER THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST BECAUSE INFLATION KEEPS GOING UP UP. IT'S MAY COST A DOLLAR AND IT MAY COST TWO DOLLARS. BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. AND I THINK, IF I REMEMBER, AND WHEN I WENT DO VISIT THAT PLACE, THE FACILITY IS GOING TO BE DOWN FOR QUITE SOME TIME WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOT TO BE DONE. AM I CORRECT OR NOT? >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, SIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THAT GOING TO SATISFY THE -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IS THAT GOING TO BE FOR FIVE YEARS? >>JEAN DUNCAN: EVERYTHING IS OFFLINE BEFORE UPGRADES ARE MADE THERE. WILL BE OTHER UPGRADE IN THE FUTURE WHERE IT WILL PROBABLY REQUIRE DOWN TIME OF CERTAIN ASSETS AS WELL. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU. >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR. YOU ALL DID A VIDEO. YOU ALL PUT THE WORK INTO THE VIDEO BUT YOU DIDN'T ASK THE QUESTION. IF THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE, ALL WE HAD TO DO IS PRESENT -- >>JEAN DUNCAN: ALL OF THE INFORMATION -- >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I AM GOING TO BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING. YOU HAVE A MOTION TO BE MADE. COUNCILMAN GUDES SECONDED IT. COUNCILMAN VIERA? >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR. APPRECIATE THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION. AND AGAIN, IF A COUNCILMEMBER HAS A REPORT, WHATEVER, THEY WANT TO HAVE IT CONTINUED, I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS A PRESUMPTION THAT YOU WANT TO AGREE WITH THAT. BUT IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT CAME IN FROM OUT OF TOWN TO BE SPEAK TODAY? >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE HAVE ONE GENTLEMAN THAT UNFORTUNATELY HAD TO LEAVE. DID HE COME FROM TALLAHASSEE. I'M SORRY. I HAD HEARD YOU LEFT. SO THIS GENTLEMAN, HIS BIRTHDAY, MAY I ADD, FOR SUPPORT, ALONG WITH MANY TEAM MEMBERS. WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERT ON THIS PROJECT. SO AGAIN WE FEEL CONFIDENT OF WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY GOTTEN APPROVED AND WHAT WE ARE PLANNING TO DO TO IMPROVE THIS FACILITY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. WE ALL HAVE QUESTIONS. ONE VOTE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR THIS UP SO WE CAN MOVE ON. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I ASKED FOR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, IF MS. DUNCAN CAN GET DID INFORMATION THAT MR. CARLSON IS LOOKING FOR, ALL OF US ARE LOOKING FOR FIVE, TEN, WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST? WE KNOW YOU HAVE A SHUTDOWN. WHA IS IT GOING TO COST TO SAY WHAT IS THIS GOING TO COST? I KNOW INFLATION GOES BUT IF WE CAN GET A GENERAL COST, REPLACE THIS, REPLACE THAT. I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE. YOU HAVE TO REPLACE A LOT OF STUFF. >>BILL CARLSON: BUT THE REQUEST ISN'T PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>BILL CARLSON: NOT JUST PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE BUT PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC. I THINK IF YOU ALL CAN PRESENT IT IN A STAFF REPORT SOONER I'M OKAY IF IT'S TEN SLIDES OR 20 SLIDES, BUT ANSWERING ALL THE OTHER QUESTIONS, IT'S ANSWERING A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT WHAT DO YOU NEED TO DO? I HAVE THE STUDIED PROJECT MANAGERS AND WORKED ON PROJECTS, MOST OF THEM ARE AT LEAST 20 YEARS AND MOSTLY 30 YEARS. I DON'T AGREE WITH THE TEN YEARS. BUT ANYWAY, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A LIST THAT WAS PRESENTED TO US ABOUT TEN YEARS. SO -- >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I THINK THAT WOULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIRMAN. IF WE CAN GET MS. DONE CAN -- >>JEAN DUNCAN: IF I CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REQUEST IS, SO WE DO HAVE A FIVE-YEAR CIP THAT LISTS SPECIFIC ASSETS WITH SPECIFIC COSTS ALREADY OUT IN THE PUBLIC REALM. BEYOND THAT, IF YOU WANTED SOME DIFFERENT VERSION OF THAT WITH A LISTING OF THE ASSETS AND THE COSTS, WE CAN PUT IN THE SOME KIND OF DIFFERENT FORMAT. BUT I AM STRUGGLING TO FIND OUT WHAT IS THAT THE WE ARE NOT ANSWERING? WE ARE MAKING A SINCERE EFFORT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AS BEST WE CAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK WHAT COUNCIL IS ASKING, WE KNOW WE HAVE AN ISSUE OUT THERE AT THE PLANT. WE ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE GOT TO DO A INCINERATOR. SOME OTHER STUFF, WE ARE SAYING, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO REPLACE OVER A TIME SPAN, AND WHAT WILL THAT GENERAL COST FOR THE WHOLE PLANT TO BE REFURBISHED? >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE HAVE THAT IN THE FIVE-YEAR CIP BUT IF THAT FORMAT ISN'T TRANSLATING WELL, WE CAN REFORMAT THAT TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. WE CERTAINLY HAVE THE INFORMATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. THAT WOULD HELP -- >>JEAN DUNCAN: HAPPY TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. >>LYNN HURTAK: TO BRING THAT CIP BACK IN AN EASIER-TO-DIGEST FORMAT FOR PUBLIC AND THE COUNCIL. THAT WILL WORK? >>BILL CARLSON: YES, THE SIMPLE THING -- >> COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: TO MODIFY THE MOTION BASED ON WHAT THEY JUST SAID, TO HAVE -- TO HAVE STAFF COME BACK AND SHOW US THE ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED OVER WHAT TIME AND HOW MUCH THEY ARE GOING TO COST. IN A FORMAT THAT CAN BE PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THE LONG-TERM IMPLICATIONS OF THIS. NOT TO JUSTIFY IT BUT JUST SPRAIN IN A TRANSPARENT WAY TO THE PUBLIC. AND A DATE THAT YOU ARE READY SOMETIME BEFORE -- >> IF WE DON'T JUSTIFY IT, THEN MRS. DUNCAN, ON SOCIAL MEDIA, BLASTING IT OUT, AND MAKING SURE THAT THE PUBLIC GETS EVERY FORM OF INFORMATION IF WE ARE NOT JUSTIFYING IT, THEN WHY ARE WE -- I COULD SEE IT. NOW, WE NEED TO HAVE EVERYBODY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA SEE THIS BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION. YOU ARE SAYING IT'S NOT JUSTIFIED. BUT WE ARE GOING ON. WE HAVE A MOTION THAT WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, AMENDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MADAM CLERK? >>THE CLERK: [OFF MICROPHONE] >>BILL CARLSON: COULD YOU DO IT IN STAFF REPORTS ON NOVEMBER 17th? >>LYNN HURTAK: DECEMBER 15th? >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOTION BY CARLSON. AMENDED BY COUNCILMAN -- MR. SHELBY? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, MS. DUNCAN, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED NOW, AND DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION? >>JEAN DUNCAN: AS WE KNOW OF TODAY, THE ITEMS, THE TIME FRAME FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE AND THE COSTS OF THOSE. THAT'S WHAT I JUST WROTE DOWN FROM THE LAST COMMENT THAT WAS MADE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CARLSON, DID YOU WANT THAT AS A WRITTEN REPORT? I SAID SEVERAL TIMES. >>BILL CARLSON: I SAID SEVERAL TIMES WASN'T TO PRESENT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: AND WE HAVE STILL NOT HAD PUBLIC COMMENT. >>JEAN DUNCAN: I WOULD BE HAPPY TO READ ALL OF THE ITEMS RIGHT NOW AND THE COSTS. BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO DO IT THEN IF THAT'S WHAT YOU PREFER. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ARE YOU ASKING FOR THE -- GREAT. LET'S HEAR FROM THE EXPERT. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M SORRY, BUT IT'S 1:20 AND WE HAVE NOT EATEN. >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS NOW FOR 15 MINUTES. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, PLEASE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M VERY HUNGRY. CAN WE HAVE A TIME CERTAIN OF LIKE TEN MORE MINUTES? >>JOSEPH CITRO: TEN MORE MINUTES. WHAT TIME IS IT NOW? IT'S 20 AFTER. SO AT 1:30, AFTER THAT 12:30 TIME CERTAIN THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GO. SO LET'S TAKE UP COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S MOTION, SHALL WE? LET'S DO A ROLL CALL ON THAT ONE. COUNCILMAN GUDES LEFT. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILMAN CITRO VOTING NO. >> IT WASN'T UNANIMOUS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN. THIS ITEM WAS MOVED UP BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMEBODY FROM TALLAHASSEE WHO WAS GOING TO BE LEAVING. THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT PERSON GOING TO BE PRESENTING TO COUNCIL? IS THAT PART OF THIS PROCESS? HE WASN'T GOING TO BE? >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE ARE DONE WITH THAT MOTION. I WILL JUST MAKE A COMMENT. LET'S GO BACK TO THE CAR ANALOGY. I GOT TIRES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO I HAVE TO CHANGE THEM AFTER 20. WHY? US WHAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T KEEP THEM BALANCED AND ROTATED. I HAVE A TRANSMISSION THAT'S SUPPOSED TO LAST 70 THAN THOUSAND MILES. IT'S GONE. WHY? I DIDN'T CHANGE THE TRANSMISSION FLUID. I GOT AN ENGINE THAT'S BLOWN, SUPPOSED TO LAST ME FOR 200,000 MILES. WHY IS IT BLOWN? I DIDN'T CHANGE THE OIL. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BACK FROM LUNCH AT 2:00. >> TO MAKE A STATEMENT ON THIS ISSUE LIKE THE REST OF THEM. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. ROBINSON? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. JOE ROBINSON. THE RESIDENT EXPERT, THE MAN OUT OF TALLAHASSEE HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS PLANT SINCE 1998, KNOWS ALL ABOUT IT. AND THE MILEAGE ON THE CAR IS WHAT YOU GOT. THESE NUMBERS ARE ALREADY THERE. WHEN YOU ALL COME BACK THESE NUMBERS ARE ALREADY THERE. WE KNOW THAT $17 MILLION IS APPROVED, THIS PROJECT COULD GO TO 60 MILLION BY THE TIME IT'S THERE. IF YOU WAIT TOO LATE IT'S GOING TO BE ASTRONOMICAL BECAUSE IF YOU LOSE THAT TURBINE, YOU LOSE THE TRANSFORMER, THIS IS ALL MOOT. YOU ARE IN BLACK ADJUSTMENT IT'S CALLED A FORCED OUTAGE. YOU DIDN'T ASK BUT I AM VOLUNTEERING THIS. SOLID WASTE IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND. THE 265 MILLION IS NOT WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THIS PLANT. THAT IS 35 MILLION FOR THE STATION, TO MOVE THE PEOPLE OUT OF CARVER CITY, BUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF THEY ARE DOING IN SOLID WASTE. AND I SAW THAT 3 OR 4 WEEKS AGO. BROKE DOWN, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF SOLID WASTE DOING AND AIN'T GOING NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PLANT TO MAKE THAT 270 MILLION. NOW, I AM GOING TO SAY THIS. THIS IS A COMPLEX SOLUTION, A COMPLEX PROBLEM, YOU HAVE 53rd MAINTAIN ANY WHICH MEANS NO MAINTENANCE AND GOT RAN IN THE GROUND, THE CITY OF TAMPA WANT TO OPERATE IT. YOU AIN'T EVEN PAYING THE PEOPLE ENOUGH MONEY. GET HR TO PAY ENOUGH MONEY. YOU AREN'T GOING TO GET QUALITY TEAM TO RUN THAT PLANT ONCE YOU GET IT LIKE YOU WANT TO BE. GIVE PEOPLE A RAISE. THEY AIN'T GOING TO COME WORK FOR THAT. AND ABRUPT PLAN FAILS. IT FAILS RIGHT NOW. WHAT ABOUT THE TREES WE GOT AROUND WEST TAMPA? WHAT ABOUT WHEN THE HURRICANE HIT? GOT GREAT STUFF IS THE TO BURN BECAUSE IT'S CLEAN. I BEEN DEALING WITH THIS. I AM A MECHANICAL ENGINEER. THE ONLY PE IN THIS ROOM THAT WORKED ON THIS PROJECT, I THINK. CITY DON'T EVEN HAVE ONE ON STAFF. I AM DOING THIS FREE. I AM HUNGRY LIKE YOU, MS. HURTAK. I AM GOING TO STAY FOR THIS AND I WON'T BE BACK. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH. BUT I AM HERE TO TELL YOU, I AGREE WITH CHARLIE. CHARLIE IS RIGHT ON THIS ONE. MR. CARLSON, THEY GOT WHAT YOU WANT. YOU SEE EVERY DOCUMENT THERE IS AND THEY ARE GOING TO LAY IT ON THE TABLE AND THEY ARE GOING TO BREAK IT OUT BUT IT'S TIME TO MAKE IT REAL TRANSPARENT. AND CHARLIE TOLD YOU, IT'S NOT THEIR PROPERTY. YOU HAVE TO DO MAINTENANCE F.THIS TURBAN GENERATOR FAILS, THIS IS A MOOT POINT. YOU ARE PROBABLY TO NEED ANOTHER 100 MILLION TO GET ALL THE DEFERRED TRASH, ALL THE DEFERRED LOCATIONS. YOU BETTER GET THOSE CONTRACTS IN PLACE. OKAY. YOU NEED TO GET A BACKUP PLAN. AND I AM GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT. AND I GAVE YOU MY CIVIL SERVICE AND I DO REPRESENT THE PUBLIC, MR. CARLSON. >>JOSEPH CITRO: ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE ONLINE? WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL 2:30.