>>COUN. BASSAN: GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. IT IS JUNE 16th, 2025, THIS 34th MEETING OF THE COUNCIL WILL COME TO ORDER. ALL COUNCILORSUAL WILL BE PRESENT. A COUPLE COUNCILORS ARE LATE. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>COUN. BASSAN: SIEVINGIC APPLAUSE APARKING PASSES -- A NEAR THE CHAMBER'S ENTRANCE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, CITY STAFF HAVE THE ABILITY TO VIEW THIS ON GOVTV CHANNEL 16, THE GOVTV WEBSITE, YOUTUBE AND ZOOM. THE LIVES STREAMS CAN BE ACCESSED FROM SMART PHONES, TABLETS AND COMPUTERS. YOU MAY ENABLE THE CLOSED CAPTION SERVICES ON YOUR DEVICE AT THIS TIME. THE RECORDING OF THIS AND ALL PAST COUNCIL MEETINGS WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE. COUNCIL STAFF IS AVAILABLE IF YOU NEED ASSISTANCE. CALL 505-768-3100 FOR ASSISTANCE DURING BUSINESS HOURS 8 A.M. TO 5 P.M. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A BREAK AT 7 P.M. IF NEEDED. WITH REGARD TO DECORUM, WE WANTED TONIGHT'S PROCEEDINGS TO BE AS CIVIL AND RESPECTFUL AS POSSIBLE. NO ANY PERSONAL ATTACKS OR APPLAUSE OR SNAPPING. THIS MEETING WILL GO SMOOTHER IF WE RESPECT ONE ANOTHER. WE'LL START WITH PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. WE DON'T HAVE PROCLAMATIONS. WE WILL BEGIN WITH A PRESENTATION FROM DR. SANCHEZ WHERE DIRECTOR OF ARTS AND CULTURE WHO WILL PROVIDE A QUARTERLY UPDATE ON THE ROUTE 66 CENTENNIAL. GOOD EVENING, DIRECTOR. >> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. ALL RIGHT. THREE MINUTES. THREE SLIDES. HERE WE GO. ROUTE 66 CENTENNIAL, JUST IN CASE NOBODY IS PAYING ATTENTION. IT'S 6 MONTHS AWAY. STARTS 2026. RIGHT NOW, OUR DEPARTMENT IS FOCUSED ON WHAT WE'RE CALLING AN ART-FUELED ROAD TRIP. THIS IS 20 STOPS ALONG ROUTE 66 STARTING IN SINGING ARROW OPEN SPACE TO THE VERY TOP OF NINE-MILE HILL THAT INCLUDES THE VISITOR'S CENTER. THE LAST STOP IS JUST BEYOND THAT. WE CAN'T FIT EVERYTHING ACTUALLY ON TWO SLIDES. JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THIS, THIS IS 18-MILES -- THE FIRST NINE MILES ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A LINK AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE. YOU SEE WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO FOCUS ON HAVING THINGS ALL ALONG THE ROUTE. THE GOOGLE MAP HAS OUR AUGMENTED REALITY STOP. THOSE ARE YELLOW. THE REVAMPED SIGNS WE'VE INVESTED IN ARE PURPLE. MURAL INSTALLATIONS AND ART WORKS ARE NEW, THOSE ARE BLUE. AND THE GREEN IS INFRASTRUCTURE AND CAPITAL. THIS MAP IS NOT ACTUALLY -- SOME OF IT IS CUT OFF ON THIS PARTICULAR PIECE. THERE WE GO. SOME OF IT IS CUT OFF. IT GOES ALL ALONG. I'LL READ YOU SOME OF THE STOPS. WE'VE GOT AUGMENTED, COMMUNITY CENTER MARKETS, GUILD CINEMA, 4th AND CENTRAL INTERSECTION. THE ABQ BIO PARK GARDENS. ROUTE 66 VISITOR'S CENTER AND THE TOP OF NINE-MILE HILL. MATERIALS AND NEW ART INSTALLATIONS FOR THIS INITIATIVE, EAST CENTRAL SIGN. INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT SIGNS. THE TRIANGLE IN NOB HILL. UNM ARTS LAB AT UNM. 505 FOOD HALL. EL REY. OLD TOWN. AND INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE PROJECTS FINISHED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS REAL QUICK. IMPROVEMENTS AT THE TIJERAS OPEN SPACE, HOUSING, ROUTE 66 FLATS, INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT PARK IS UNDERWAY. RAIL TRAIL. IMPROVEMENTS ARE STARTING. THE IMPERIAL METROPOLITAN REDEVELOPMENT HOTEL. EX NOVA, ACEQUIA OPEN SPACE. AND THE PURCHASE OF THE UNSER PROPERTY. SO, THAT IS WHAT IS EITHER COMPLETED OR WELL UNDERWAY. AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO A VERY DYNAMIC CENTENNIAL. AND SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WILL BE LAUNCHES THIS FALL IN SEPTEMBER OR EARLY OCTOBER. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. IT'S ALL FINE AND DANDY, BUT WE STILL HAVE CRIME ALL OVER ALBUQUERQUE. THERE WAS AN OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING THIS WEEK. A CITIZEN WAS KILLED ON A BUS DOWN THE STREET. STILL SEEING 60 TO 100 DRUG DEALS EVERY DAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF CENTRAL. IT ALL SOUNDS FINE AND DANDY, BUT WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THE CRIME. WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO WORK WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE CHIEF TO GET RID OF THE CRIME BEFORE WE HAVE THIS MASSIVE CELEBRATION? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, YOU KNOW, THE REPORT THAT WE'LL BE SENDING OUT OUTLINES EVERYONE'S EFFORTS HAS A SNAPSHOT OF WHERE WE ARE. MY FOCUS IS COMMUNITY ENGAGE MANAGEMENT. WE HAVE A WAY TO ENGAGE PEOPLE ALL ALONG THE ROUTE. THAT IS ONE PIECE OF WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON. WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH PUBLIC SAFETY. ACS APD AFR. THAT IS OUTLINED EXTENSIVELY IN THE FULL WRITTEN REPORT. I'M SURE THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE A REPORT OR UPDATE ON PUBLIC SAFETY AS IT RELATES TO THE CENTENNIAL, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT IN MY NEXT PRESENTATION. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS POLICE OFFICERS DOING THEIR JOB. CLEARING THE STREETS OF DRUG DEALING. I'D LIKE TO SEE POLICE OFFICERS BEING PROACTIVE ON THE STREETS. WE'RE NOT SEEING THAT AT ALL ON THE WEST SIDE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HAVEN'T SEEN AN ACS CAR ON MONTHS ON END. I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY IS TAKING PLACE, BUT IT SURE ISN'T HAPPENING ON WEST CENTRAL AT ALL. WITH THAT, WE'RE SEEING NUMEROUS BUILDINGS WHO HAVE THEIR DOORS CLOSED. THERE'S A LOT OF EMPTY BUILDINGS UP AND DOWN CENTRAL. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ASAP. SO, IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S BEING LOOKED AT AT THIS TIME. WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THINGS HERE. EXCEPT FOR THE MOST IMPORTANT. AND THAT'S TAKING CARE OF THE CRIME PROBLEM UP AND DOWN CENTRAL. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DIRECTOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: NEXT UP, OUR NEXT PRESENTATION FROM OUR CITY ECONOMIST WHO IS GOING TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE GROSS RECEIPTS TAX. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I'D LIKE TO PREFACE THIS BY -- WE JUST GOT THE GRT TODAY. NORMALLY, I WOULD HAVE THE CHANCE TO CROSSCHECK WITH ACCOUNTING. NOT ACCOUNTING, TREASURY. IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THE NUMBERS ARE CORRECT. THIS IS PRELIMINARY. WERE YOU ABLE TO GET MY EMAIL SLIDES? I SENT IT OVER ABOUT 30 MINUTES PRIOR. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD TIME. YES, I WAS JUST RUSHING TO GET SOMETHING TOGETHER FOR YOU. THE ANALYSIS ISN'T COMPLETE. HOWEVE -- LET ME FIND IT. GROSS RECEIPTS TAX WAS ACTUALLY NEGATIVE. IT WAS 0.3% IN THE NEGATIVE. BRINGING OUR YEAR TO DATE 2.5% GROWTH FOR THE YEAR. LOOKING AT BUSINESS SECTORS GROWTH WAS BASICALLY FLAT. IT WAS THE LOSS OF HOLD HARMLESS THAT PULLED US INTO NEGATIVE TERRITORY. I CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AS FAR AS SPECIFIC SECTORS. CONSTRUCTION WAS ACTUALLY POSITIVE AT 4.7%. WHEN YOU LOOK AT ARTS AND -- ARTS, ENTERTAINMENT AND RECREATION THAT WAS BELOW BY 10.6%. RETRAIL TRADE WAS NEG TF. AND PROFESSIONAL AND SCIENTIFIC SERVICES WERE NEGATIVE AT 8.5%. THE TOTAL BUSINESS SECTOR GROWTH WAS 0.2%. AND 1.225 IS NEGATIVE. I CAN TRY ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. I'M SORRY YOU DIDN'T GET SLIDES. >>COUN. BASSAN: THAT'S OKAY. WE'LL MAKE SURE THEY COME THROUGH. IF YOU CAN SEND IT TO US THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I'LL LOOK AT IT LATER. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU JUST DIDN'T GET THE REPORT UNTIL A LITTLE WHILE AGO? THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US? OKAY. YOU HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF TIME TO ANALYZE IT. >> I DO NOT EXPECT THE NUMBERS TO CHANGE. I REALLY DON'T. I DON'T CALL THEM COMPLETE OR FINAL UNTIL I'VE HAD THE CHANCE TO REVIEW. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. ANYTHING FROM THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD LAST MONTH THAT YOU CAN UPDATE US -- I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE TRENDS WITH RETAIL IN THE NEGATIVE THIS MONTH. I'M ASSUMING THERE'S SOME TRENDS WE CAN ANALYZE AND LOOK AT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE LAST MONTH? >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR LEWIS, A LOT OF WHAT I PROVIDED TO COUNCILORS FROM LAST QUESTIONS HAD TO DO WITH RIO RANCHO. WE WERE LOOKING AT COMPARISONS THERE. I DID -- PART OF WHAT TOOK TIME WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED IN RIO RANCHO THIS MONTH. IF YOU REMEMBER -- I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF YOU -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SHARE THE INFORMATION THAT I PROVIDE TO A SINGLE COUNCILOR. RIO RANCHO, I LOOKED AT THEIR BUDGET DOCUMENTS FOR THE YEAR, I LOOKED AT THEIR GRT. AND WHAT SEEMS TO BE DRIVING THEIR GRT IS CONSTRUCTION. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE PERCENTAGE OF GRT IS -- I DON'T WANT TO MISSTATE IT. IT'S CONSIDERABLY MORE THAN OURS. I THINK OURS IS ABOUT 10% CONSTRUCTION. THERE'S WAS 30%. IT'S HUGE. AND THIS MONTH, RIO RANCHO WAS IN POSITIVE TERRITORY. AGAIN, THIS IS PRELIMINARY. THEIR GROWTH THIS MONTH, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN RIO RANCHO REVENUE. I'M JUST GOING OUT TO THE WEBSITE AND LOOKING AT THE TAX DEPARTMENT INFORMATION. IT LOOKS TO HAVE GROWN 13.2% IN RIO RANCHO. SO, THEIR YEAR TO DATE IS 3.6%. AND AGAIN, THIS MONTH IT WAS CONSTRUCTION THAT DROVE THEIR REVENUE. OURS GREW 4.7%. IN RIO RANCHO, IT LOOKS TO HAVE GROWN 17%. THEY MENTIONED THIS IN THEIR BUDGET DOCUMENTS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT. THOSE ARE SOME GOOD COMPARISONS. I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MULTIPLE MONTHS. AGAIN WE WANT TO SEE SOME TRENDS, CERTAINLY IN THE AREA OF RETAIL AND CONSTRUCTION. I THINK THE COMPARISONS WITH A SUBURB ARE CRITICAL. WE TALKED TO COMPAISONS AROUND OTHER CITIES SIMILAR TO OURS. WHEN IT COMES TO OUR RETAIL AND CONSTRUCTION AND LOOKING AT TRENDS OVER TIME AND BEING ABLE TO ANALYZE THOSE WITH A BIGGER PICTURE. ARE YOU SEEING SOME TRENDS IN RETAIL WITH WHEN IT COMES TO -- IS THE RECENT MONTH IN THE NEGATIVE A TREND FROM, SAY, JANUARY? >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR LEWIS, THESE THINGS ARE SO UP AND DOWN. NEXT MONTH COULD BE A DIFFERENT STORY. IT OFTEN DEPENDS WHAT HAPPENS THIS MONTH LAST YEAR. AS I SAID, I DIDN'T LOOK AT THIS MONTH'S LAST YEAR TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S SOME ANOMALIES OR SOMETHING HAPPENING. I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT TODAY. REGARDING OTHER CITIES, THE ONES IN NEW MEXICO I CAN LOOK AT GRT. IT'S HARDER TO GO INTO OTHER STATES FOR CITIES SIMILAR TO ALBUQUERQUE. I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO AS DETAILED INFORMATION AS I DO FOR HERE. I CAN TRY TO CONTINUE TO PUT TOGETHER THAT INFORMATION. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THE HOLD HARMLESS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FLUCTUATIONS. THAT'S GOING TO BE ACROSS THE BOARD DEPENDING ON WHEN WE GET PAID BY THE STATE. I ASSUME THAT RETAIL AND CONSTRUCTION AND SOME OF THE OTHER CATEGORIES WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE SOME TRENDS. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO NOT ONLY COMPARE TO THIS MONTH LAST YEAR, BUT ALSO COMPARE TO HOW WE'RE PERFORMING THE LAST SIX MONTHS, THE LAST 12 MONTHS. AGAIN, I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF DATA AND ANALYSIS ON THIS ONE. IF YOU COULD HELP US WITH THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE US BETTER PICTURE OF THE TRENDS. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I CAN ISOLATE RETAIL AND LOOK AT OVER TIME AND ALLOW YOU TO SEE THE CHANGES OVER TIME. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I WONDER IF WE CAN DEFER THIS PRESENTATION UNTIL NEXT TIME SO WE CAN HAVE ACCURATE INFORMATION AND ACCURATE THING FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SEE. MAYBE, A PROCESS CHANGE WHERE YOU SEND TO ALL OF THE COUNCILORS SO WE DON'T HAVE -- OUR TEAM IS SAYING THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING. I LOOKED AT MY EMAIL, I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING. IAGE I JUST WANT TO LOOK AT THE NUMBERS WITH THE PUBLIC AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS. THIS IS NOT TRANSPARENT. I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING. IT'S NOT OKAY TO COME WITH -- I JUST NEED MORE. CAN WE -- WHAT CAN WE DO, MADAM PRESIDENT, TO LOOK AT THIS AS A GROUP AND HAVE ACTUAL NUMBERS TO READ AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THEM? >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR, THIS IS GOING TO BE A MONTHLY REPORT. BEING THAT YOU JUST RECEIVED THE INFORMATION, I THINK IT WILL BE UPDATED AND MORE ACCURATE ONCE SHE GETS THE CHANCE TO REVIEW IT AND SEND IT TO US. WHEN APPROPRIATE, JUST SEND IT TO ALL THE COUNCILORS FOR OUR INFORMATION. SOMETIMES IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR ROGERS, EVERY MONTH YOU'LL GET A GRT REPORT. AND ALL OF YOU SHOULD BE GETTING IT. BECAUSE I SEND THAT OUT. YES, FOR TODAY, IT WAS LAST-MINUTE PRELIMINARY. I ONLY SENT IT TO ERIC. I APOLOGIZE IT WAS LAST-MINUTE. THIS SHOULD BE COMPLETE ANOMALY. >>COUN. BASSAN: I UNDERSTAND TOO. I GET IT HAPPENS. YOU JUST GOT THE INFORMATION. I COMPLETELY AGREE. >> MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. I IF GET A QUESTION FROM ONE OR TWO COUNCILORS, MY QUESTION IS TO SEND THE ANSWERS TO THE SPECIFIC COUNCILORS. IF COUNCIL WISHES, I CAN SEND THOSE ANSWERS TO THE BODY. >>COUN. BASSAN: IF IT'S HERE AT COUNCIL WITH ALL OF US, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEND IT TO EVERYONE. IF IT'S OFFLINE AND THEY SEND THEIR OWN EMAILS, IT'S COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE TO RESPOND TO THEM. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO NEXT MONTH'S REPORT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE JOURNAL. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE JUNE 2nd JOURNAL. THERE'S A SECOND BY MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN IS STILL EXCUSED. I KNOW SHE'S STUCK IN TRAFFIC. WE'RE EXPECTING HER. FOR NOW, SHE'S EXCUSED. I GUESS WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. WE'RE HERE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE JOURNAL RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY WITH 8-0 VOTE. MOVING TO COMMUNICATIONS AND INTRODUCTION. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? I'LL START BY MOVING THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING EC-422 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IT'S AMENDED AND RESTATED STADIUM LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND DVH ALBUQUERQUE LLC. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. THIS IS REGARDING THE ISOTOPES STADIUM. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? THAT PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING EC-424 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR ACTION. IT'S THE LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND HEADING HOME. NEW MEXICO NONPROFIT CORPORATION AT 2040 4th STREET. THERE'S A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING EC-425 FOR ACTION. IT'S A REQUEST AUTHORIZATION OF APPROVING THREE SOCIAL SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH HEADING HOME WITH THE NEW MEXICO COALITION TO END HOMELESSNESS AND SAFE HOUSE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPORTIVE HOUSING SERVICES. THERE'S A SECOND FROM MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN DID JUST ARRIVE. COUNCILORS, THOSE IN FAVOR OF ADDING EC-425 FOR ACTION RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PULLING O-85 ON THE -- CREATING NEW CHAPTER ARTICLE 14 ALBUQUERQUE CODE OF ORDINANCE IS TO BE KNOWN AS THE ALBUQUERQUE PERMITTING OFFICE. >>COUN. BASSAN: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. COUNCILORS, THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PULLING R-152 OF THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE AND PLACING IT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR ACTION. R-152 IS APPROVING THE AMENDMENT TO THE BOUNDARY OF THE CENTRAL HIGHLAND UPPER NOB HILL METROPOLITAN REDEVELOPMENT AREA TO INCLUDE ACRES. APPROVING CORRESPONDING AMENDMENTS TO THE CENTRAL HIGHLAND UPPER NOB HILL METROPOLITAN REDEVELOPMENT AREA. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A SECOND FROM MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. MOTION FOR R-162 TO BE PLACED ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR ACTION. THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: MADAM PRESIDENT, I MOVE THE RULES BES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R-164 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR ACTION. R-164 IS CONCERNING A BOND ELECTION TO BE HELD AT THE NEXT REGULAR LOCAL ELECTION ON NOVEMBER 4, 2025 FOR A VOTE OF THE QUALIFIED ELECTORS AT SUCH REGULAR ELECTIONS CERTAIN QUESTIONS FOR AUTHORIZATION. THE ISSUANCE OF GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS IN VARING PRINCIPLE AMOUNTS AND SPECIFIC PUBLIC PURPOSES AND PROVIDING THE FORM OF THE BOND QUESTIONS AND THE DESIGNATION CLAUSE FOR SUCH QUESTIONS OF THE BALLOT PRESCRIBING OTHER DETAILS IN CONNECTION WITH SUCH BOND ELECTION AND BOND. AND RATIFYING ACTION PREVIOUSLY TAKEN IN CONNECTION THEREWITH. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND BY MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. R-164. THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED? MADAM VICE PRESIDENT, ARE YOU IN FAVOR? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R-165 ON THE AGENDA FOR ACTION. IT WAS RELATING TO THE APPROVAL OF THE REDEVELOPMENT TAX ABATEMENT ON THE SYCAMORE PLAZA. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION, AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. COUNCILORS, THOSE IN FAVOR OF MOVING R-165? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R-166 ON THE AGENDA FOR ACTION. RELATE TO THE APPROVAL OF A REDEVELOPMENT TAX ABATEMENT ON THE VASSER AND PHOENIX WAREHOUSE BY -- >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF PLACING R-166 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. >>COUN. GROUT: I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R-168 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR ACTION. IT'S AMENDING THE ADOPTED CAPICAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM WITH THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE BY APPROVING NEW PROJECTS, SUPPLEMENTING CURRENT APPROPRIATIONS AND CHANGING THE SCOPE OF EXISTING PROJECTS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A SECOND BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF R-168 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. THERE'S A MOTION AND MULTIPLE SECONDS FROM SEVERAL COUNCILORS. MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. COUNCILORS, THOSE WILLING TO APPROVE THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES IS NEXT ON THE AGENDA. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THE FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEEIMATE ON MONDAY JUNE, 9 AND REPORTS THE FOLLOWING ITEM. O-86, R-156, R-157 AND R-161 DO PASS. IN THE MATTER OF O-147, R-155 AND R-163 THEY DO PASS AND BE ACTED UPON IN THE MEETING WHICH THEY'RE REPORTED. IN THE MATTER OF EC-376 RECEIPT BE NOTED. O-84 IT BE WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. IN THE MATTER OF EC-401 IT BE WITHDRAWN BY ADMINISTRATION. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE REPORTS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. FOR THE RECORD, I BELIEVE IT'S R-147 DO PASS BE ACTED AND REPORTED IN THE MEETING WHICH THEY'RE REPORTED. THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE COMMITTEE REPORT RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE MET. AND IN THE MATTER OF R-160 IT FAILS. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING THE COMMITTEE REPORT, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THONG, MAD . >>COUN. ROGERS: I MAKE A MOTION TO REVIVE R-25-160 AND PLACE THIS ITEM ON THE AUGUST 4, 2025 COUNCIL AGENDA FOR ACTION. R-160 IS CREATING A WORKING GROUP TO EXPLORE A FIXED PRICE POSITION PROGRAM FOR THE CITY-OWNED VACANT BUILDINGS AND LOTS FOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION, AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. COUNCILORS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF REVIVING R-160 RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NO. THAT FAILS ON A 3-6. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MADAM PRESIDENT, I DON'T NEED TO MAKE THAT MOTION. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOVING ON TO DEFERRALS AND WITH DRAWLS. COUNCILORS, ANY DEFERRALS OR WITH DRAWLS AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. PLEASE NOTE THE ADMINISTRATION HAS WITHDRAWN ITEM A, EC-25-407, HIGHWAY HOTEL. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? FOR THOSE SERVING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WHO ARE WILLING TO BE APPOINTED TO SERVE ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION, THANK YOU YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE. I MOVE APPROVAL. SECOND BY MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES, 9-0. ANNOUNCEMENTS. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THERE WILL BE A LOCAL GOVERNMENT COORDINATING COMMISSION MEETING ON THURSDAY, JUNE 26th AT 5 P.M. IN THE BERNALILLO COUNTY KEN SANCHEZ COMMISSION CHAMBERS. THIS WILL BE A HYBRID MEETING. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS ? SEEING NONE. WE'RE MOVING TO INITIAL INSTRUMENTS. COUNCILOR BACA AND COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS IS BY REQUEST FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. O-87, AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE AND SALE OF ALBUQUERQUE NEW MEXICO TAXABLE INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BONDS IN THE TWO SERIES IN THE PRINCIPLE AMOUNT OF $227.5 MILLION TO PROVIDE FUNDS TO ACQUIRE, CONSTRUCTION AND EQUIP THREE INTERRELATED COMPONENTS WITHIN THE SAWMILL DISTRICT. THE SAWMILL HOTEL WITH 115 GUEST ROOMS SUITES. AND CHALKO RESIDENTS WITH STATE GUEST ROOMS, AND CONFERENCE FACILITIES. AND THE SAWMILL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITH 140 APARTMENTS WITH ENTERTAINMENT VALUES AND RETAIL SPACE. AUTHORIZING THE LEASE AGREEMENTS AND OTHER -- MAKING CERTAIN DETERMINATIONS AND FINDINGS RELATING TO THE BONDS AND PROJECT. RATIFYING CERTAIN ACTIONS AND REPEALING ALL ACTIONS INCONSISTENT WITH THIS ORDINANCE. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE TONIGHT TO SPEAK ON THIS PROJECT. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH DEPUTY DIRECTOR MITCHELL. >> ACTUALLY -- >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE HE IS. NOW -- SORRY, DIRECTOR. I SEE YOU ONLINE. GOOD EVENING, DIRECTOR. IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND BEGIN. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT. AS YOU KNOW, THE SAWMILL DISTRICT WAS A CONSIDERED A BLIGHTED AREA. IT IS AN MRA AREA DISTRICT. IN SOME WAYS IT REALLY IS A JEWEL OF ALBUQUERQUE. IT IS EXCITING AND A VIBRANT PLACE. THIS FURTHER DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED BY THE HERITAGE GROUP IS ABSOLUTELY GOING TO CONTINUE ON THAT PATH. I WANT TO ALSO POINT OUT, COUNCILORS, THE EFFECT OF SIGNIFICANT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE SAWMILL DISTRICT TO AREAS LIKE OLD TOWN AND DOWNTOWN CANNOT BE UNDERESTIMATED. IF THE PLEASES MADAM PRESIDENT, DEPUTY DIRECTOR IS GOING TO PRESENT THE FORMAL STAFF ANALYSIS. I WILL CLOSE BY SAYING THAT THIS -- WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS ONE ORDINANCE GOVERNING THREE DISTINCT IRBs FOR THE CONTINUED ACTIVATION OF THE VERY IMPORTANT CENTER IN ALBUQUERQUE. WITH THAT, I WILL HAND IT OVER AND GIVE UP MY TIME TO DEPUTY DIRECTOR MITCHELL. >>COUN. BASSAN: GOOD EVENING, DIRECTOR. GO AHEAD. >> GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. WE'RE PRESENTING THE PROPOSED $227.5 MILLION INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BOND IRB REQUEST FOR SAWMILL PROPERTIES, LLC, WHICH WAS FORMED IN 2014 TO REDEVELOP BLIGHTED PARCELS IN ALBUQUERQUE'S SAWMILL DISTRICT. A DESIGNATED METROPOLITAN REDEVELOPMENT AREA AND FEDERAL OPPORTUNITY ZONE. THE IRB REQUEST INCLUDES THREE MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS. SAWMILL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT 80.8 MILLION. SAWMILL HOTEL, $76.3 MILLION. THESE PROJECTS ARE BRINGING EXPANDED LODGING RETAIL AND HOUSING TO THE AREA. ALL SITES ARE LOCATED WITHIN A MIXED USE HIGH INTENTY ZONE REQUIRING NO ZONING CHANGE AND HAVING NO SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. THE DEVELOPER, HERITAGE HOTELS AND RESORTS IS EXPERIENCED IN CREATING CULTURALLY RICHED HOSPITAL ASSETS AND OPERATED PROPERTIES WITHIN THE SAWMILL DISTRICT. UPON COMPLETION, HERITAGE HOTELS AND RESORTS AND AFFILIATES THE MANAGE THE NEW PROPERTIES. THE SAWMILL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED AT 1904 BELLAMAH AVENUE EAST OF HOTEL CHACO. IT IS 140 MARKET RATE APARTMENTS AND 24,540 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL. CHACO RESIDENCE IS LOCATED AT 1904 BELLAMAH AVENUE, EAST OF HOTEL CHACO. AND THEY'RE EXTENDED STAY LODGING ACCOMMODATION AND 19,SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL. AND IMMEDIATELY WEST OF SAWMILL MARKET, AND NORTH OF HOTEL CHACO. IT'S 115 ROOM HOTEL TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN 2028. THE ECONOMIC IMPACT IS SIGNIFICANT. $227 MILLION IN PRIVATE INVESTMENT BY 2031. 75 NEW PERMANENT FULL-TIME JOBS AND 40 PART TIME POSITIONS. 113 INDECT FULL-TIME AND 72 PART TIME JOBS. AND 750 CONSTRUCTION JOBS. PRIMARILY LOCAL LABOR. JOBS INCLUDE FULL-TIME BENEFITS ELIGIBLE CUSTOMER PLACING ROLES. THE FISCAL IMPACT WAS VERIFIED BY A THIRD PARTY. UNM. THE SAWMILL MIXED USE WILL GENERATE $2.3 MILLION BY 2047. THE RESIDENCE WHILE HAVE $5.6 MILLION. AND SAWMILL WILL GENERATE 8.2 IN TAXES BY 2049. ALL THREE PROJECTS ARE EXPECTED TO BE FISCALLY POSITIVE. A 30% PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES WILL APPLY. THE IRB ORDINANCE CONSOLIDATES 3 SEPARATE APPLICATION AND ANALYSIS. WE'RE REQUESTING WAIVER OF SECTION E REQUIREMENT. IRB-25-5 MEETS ALL CITY CRITERIA. OTHERS ADOPTED PLANS AND COMPLIES WITH STATE AND CITY IRB LAWS. THESE PROJECTS WHERE SIGNIFICANT REDEVELOPMENT AND REVITALIZATION AND SUPPORT TOURISM AND INDUSTRY GROWTH AND MEET ALL QUALIFICATIONS FOR CITY ISSUED IRP UPON SECTION E APPROVAL. BASED ON THE FINDING, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND -- AS PROPOSED IN THE PROJECT APPLICATION. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DIRECTOR, I KNOW MR. LONG IS HERE. I THINK A PRESENTATION WOULD BE LOVELY. IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN SKIP THE PRESENTATION, I KNOW IT'S GREAT. IF YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THEN WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I'M JIM LONG. I'M THE OWNER AND DEVELOPER OF THIS PROJECT. WE'RE EXCITED TO CREATE THESE BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS FOR OUR CITY. NOT ONLY WILL THEY RAISE THE BALL IN TERMS OF QUALITY DEVELOPMENT. I THINK IT WILL RAISE THE BAR FOR OUR STATE. IT'S ALSO THE EXCITEMENT AND STIMILATION THESE BUILDINGS WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR OUR CITY. ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE THAT WILL WITH WORK AND PLAY IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. IT'S GOING TO BE STIMULATING AND VERY INSPIRING PROJECT THAT WILL MAKE OTHERS HAVE SIMILAR DECISIONS TO INVEST AS WE'RE DOING IN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK SOMETHING ELSE IS VERY EXCITING ABOUT THIS PROJECT. THE FACT THAT EACH ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS WILL PROVIDE MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITIES TO NEW MEXICANS TO LAUNCH THEIR OWN SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS, WHETHER IT'S FOOD AND BEVERAGE, ENTERTAINMENT, ART, FASHION RETAIL. WE'VE DEVELOPED A MODEL TO HELP SMALL BUSINESSES ESTABLISH SUCCESS IN THESE RESPECTIVE AREAS. WE INTEND TO SET ASIDE A SUBSTANTIAL SUM TO DO THIS PROJECT. WE'VE HAD THAT MODEL IN PLACE IN SAWMILL AND OTHER FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE. WE KNOW WE CAN ACHIEVE PROSPERITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND CREATE WONDERFUL JOB AND GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO ACHIEVE THEIR HOPES AND DREAMS. WE'RE HAPPY TO DO THAT. WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECTS. I THINK ALBUQUERQUE DESERVES TO HAVE BEAUTIFUL QUALITY DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS. AS WE SEE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN HERE. IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. HOPEFULLY, WITH YOUR SUPPORT TONIGHT WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. COUNCILORS, I'M GOING TO COME BACK FOR QUESTIONS. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON EVERYTHING FIRST. WE'LL COME BACK TO CONVERSATIONS AND QUESTIONS. JUST FOR THE RECORD, OUR CITY BOND COUNCIL IS HERE FOR THIS EVENING. PLEASE CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER ON O-87. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. AN AMENDMENT CAME THROUGH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT BEFORE WE GO TO COMMENT? WE'RE JUST GO TO COMMENT? >>COUN. BASSAN: WHAT WAS THAT? >> AN AMENDMENT CAME THROUGH. DID YOU WANT TO DO THAT BEFORE WE MOVE TO COMMENT? >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. IS THE AMENDMENT READY? IT'S NOT READY. WE'RE GOING TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS JACK FOLLOWED BY ALEXANDER. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR. I'M THE RESIDENT OF ALBUQUERQUE ALL MY LIFE. THIS IS CERTAINLY ONE OF THE AREAS IN ALBUQUERQUE THAT IS BLIGHTED AND CAN USE THIS. THIS WILL BE AN INFUSION THAT ALBUQUERQUE CAN BE PROUD OF. AND ENCOURAGE MORE RESIDENTS TO MOVE TO THAT AREA OF TOWN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ALEXANDER FOLLOWED BY TIFFANY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. ALBUQUERQUE RESIDENT, ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING NERD. I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW THIS, WE AS A CITY NEED TO GROW. DEVELOP AND BEENED THAT BENEFITS DEVELOPERS AND PEOPLE. THE PURPOSE OF GIVING A DEVELOPER A 70% TAX ABATEMENT IS TO SERVE THE INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE, ALBUQUERQUE RESIDENTS. THE INTEREST DOES IMPACT REVENUE AND JOBS AND FAIR WAGES. THIS PROPOSED COMES IN THE MIDDLE OF COUNTY NEGOTIATION. IT FEELS LIKE A RACE TO THE BOTTOM. PITTING MUNICIPALITIES AGAINST EACH OTHER. I'D ASK WHY ALBUQUERQUE CITY RESIDENTS AND WHY ALBUQUERQUE CITY COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER ASKING FOR LESS FOR THEIR RESIDENTS THAN THE COUNTY DOES. I'D ASK ALSO, WHY THIS CAN'T HAPPEN IN JULY, A COUPLE WEEKS FROM NOW, WHEN WE CAN GUARANTEE PREVAILING WAGES FOR THOSE WORKING ON THIS PURSUANT TO HB6. I ASK THIS BODY CONSIDER WHETHER PEOPLE WHO BUILD AND WORK ON THIS PROJECT CAN ALSO LIVE IN THIS PROJECT AND BENEFIT FROM IT. IF NOT, I FEEL THIS DEAL MAY BETRAY THE INTENT OF IRBs, CONVERTING THE TOOL THAT WAS MEANT TO SERVE PEOPLE TO AN AWARDING BENEFACTOR. THANK YOU. >> TIFFANY FOLLOWED BY JAMES. >> NARRATOR: IF YOU'RE NEXT TO . >>COUN. BASSAN: IF YOU'RE NEXT TO SPEAK. COME DOWN TO THE FRONT. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM A RESIDENT AND FULL-TIME TEACHER, PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER. I WORK WITH AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS PUTTING TOGETHER A PRE-APRETENDSSHIP TO GET INTO THE UNIONIZED SKILLED TRADE. I THINK WE KNOW A GOOD ECONOMY IS BASED ON A STRONG SKILLED WORKFORCE. IN THIS PLAN THAT WE LOVE THE DEVELOPMENT AND WE LOVE IT'S BRINGING JOBS AM. I HEARD YOU SAY PRIMARILY THE WORKFORCE WILL BE FROM NEW MEXICO. PRIMARILY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I WANT ALL THE WORKFORCE FROM NEW MEXICO. TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE LEAVING OUR STATE BECAUSE THEY DON'T SEE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM. ESPECIALLY MY YOUNG STUDENTS. ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO BUILD THE WORKING CLASS, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY'S BOOTS ARE ON OUR NECK. THESE PEOPLE THAT WORK OUTSIDE EVERY DAY PUT THAT HARD WORK INTO THE BUILDINGS, WHY CAN'T THEY LIVE THERE? DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE A CONSTRUCTION WORKER AND BUILD SOMETHING YOU KNOW YOU CAN NEVER LIVE IN OR BUY? I SUGGEST THAT YOU DO WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE SUCCESSFULLY AND CREATE A PERCENTAGE OF THE UNITS THAT ARE HOUSING FOR MIDDLE OR MIDDLE TO LOW INCOME PEOPLE. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING IT AND SERVING THIS COMMUNITY CAN ACTUALLY LIVE THERE. >> JAMES FOLLOWED BY ROSENDO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, ON MY WAY HERE I PASSED A BIG SIGN ON THE CONVENTION CENTER IT SAID ONE ALBUQUERQUE. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU AND THE LEADER OF THE CITY IS HOW DO YOU RECONCILE INTO ONENESS A GENTRIFIED THRIVING AREA OF ALBUQUERQUE LIKE SAWMILL DISTRICT WITH THE DEVASTATION OF MANY OF OUR MAJOR CORRIDORS LIKE CENTRAL IN THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT OR THE AREA UNDER THE FREEWAY OVERPASS ON 1st STREET THAT ARE OCCUPIED BY PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AFFORD AND CANNOT FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING? TO ME, THIS -- WHILE I CELEBRATE THE DEVELOPERS WHO CREATE AREAS IN OUR TOWN LIKE THE SAWMILL DISTRICT, OUR COUNTRY HAS A VAST NETWORK OF PRIVATE EQUITY TO FUND FURTHER DEVELOPMENT. IT'S OBVIOUS THAT IS AN AREA THAT CAN PAY FOR ITSELF. WE ARE NOT BRAZIL. WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE ALMOST AN ENTIRE QUADRANT OF OUR CITY TURNED INTO A FAVELA WHILE WE ARE SUPPORTING AND DIRECTING THE CITY'S RESOURCES TO FURTHER ENHANCE GENTRIFICATION. I WOULD URGE YOU TO RECONSIDER OR MODIFY OR REJECT THIS ALLOCATION OF $227 MILLION OF RISK ASSUMPTION BY THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THANK YOU. >> ROSENDA FOLLOWED BY JANICE ON ZOOM. >> MADAM CHAIR, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF LOCAL -- >>COUN. BASSAN: PARDON ME. I'LL START YOUR TIME OVER. AS MUCH AS THIS IS VERY LOVELY, IT'S ALSO A DISRUPTION. PLEASE BE SEATED. FOR THE PROPER SAKE OF THE DECORUM. THANK YOU. START THE TIMER OVER. >> YES. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE LOCAL 1319. JUST RECENTLY, WE ARE IN A POSITION OF THIS. THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME AMENDMENTS MADE FOR A BEAR MINIMUM OF A COUPLE WEEKS. OUR CONTRACTORS ARE NOT HAVING FAIR MINIMUM FOR WAGES OUR CONTRACTORS DON'T HAVE A CHANCE BECAUSE OUR CONTRACTORS BELIEVE THAT WHEN YOU'RE FRAMING OUTSIDE IN 103 DEGREE WEATHER YOU SHOULD DESERVE WATER AND BREAK TIME. AFTER WORKING 20 YEARS SWINGING A HAMMER YOU SHOULD HAVE A PENSION. WE'RE ASKING THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE TO BE ATTACHED TO THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY RATHER THAN A BUILDING DONE BY A MEDIOCRE WORKFORCE THAT CHARGES LESS MONEY. IT'S NOT OKAY TO NOT APPLY APPRENTICESHIP TO IT. THE FACT IT'S BEING INTRODUCED BEFORE THAT SEEMS SNEAKY TO US. THIS IS NOT OKAY. IT NEEDS TO BE APPRENTICESHIP LANGUAGE TIED TO THIS BEFORE THAT INVESTMENT IS MADE. WE'RE HAPPY THAT DEVELOPERS ARE WANTING TO COME TO ALBUQUERQUE AND INVEST IN THE COMMUNITY AND GET MONEY WHILE THEY'RE AT IT. THAT'S GOOD. THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING LEFT IN THAT COMMUNITY. IT NEEDS TO BE A WORKFORCE THAT NOW HAS A CHECK THAT NOW HAS INSURANCE THAT NOW IS ABLE TO BUY WHAT THE SCHOOL SUPPLIES THEY NEED FOR THEIR KIDS. OUR PEOPLE ARE NOT WORKING IN THE BUILDINGS BEING BUILT HERE. IT'S OUT OF TOWNERS THAT BUILD IT BECAUSE IT'S CHEAPER TO COME FROM TEXAS. THERE'S NO STANDARDS IN TEXAS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP ORSTANDARDS UP HERE, IT'S RIDICULOUS. WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO DO THAT. THERE NEEDS TO BE AN AMENDMENT MADE OR WE NEED TO WAIT TWO WEEKS. PREVAILING WAGE NEEDS TO BE ATTACHED TO THIS. IT'S TOO HUGE OF AN INVESTMENT TO NOT LET IT BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY OR PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE. IF WE LIVE HERE WE NEED TO BUILD HER. IF WE BUILD HERE WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO LIVE THERE AS WELL. IT NEEDS TO BE ATTACHED TO LOW INCOME HOUSING. THAT'S A TRUE INVESTMENT TO THE COMMUNITY THEY REPRESENT. THANK YOU. >> JANICE FOLLOWED BY JOAN. >> CITY COUNCIL -- I'M SORRY. GOOD EVENING. WE RECOGNIZE THE DEVELOPMENT CAN BE A POSITIVE FORCE. IT BRINGS JOBS CAN IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE. IN THIS CASE, WE'RE NOT SEEING HOW WE'LL BENEFIT FROM THIS IRB. WHAT'S CLEAR IS THAT ALMOST A QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS OF PUBLIC MONEY IS BEING USED TO FINANCE A LUXURIOUS LIFESTYLE. THIS IS ESPECIALLY TROUBLING DURING THE TIME WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF THE HOUSING CRISIS. WHILE THE CITY IS HELPING A DEVELOPER FOR LUXURY APARTMENTS AND HOTELS WITHOUT A REQUIREMENT OF FULL PUBLIC RETURN. IT'S PUBLIC RESOURCES THAT ARE GOING TO HELP THIS DEVELOPMENT THERE MUST BE A MANDATE FOR PUBLIC BENEFIT AT MINIMUM. WE URGE THE CITY TO REQUIRE A THIRD OF THE APARTMENTS BE FOR LOW INCOME HOUSING AND AT LEAST HALF OF THOSE BE TWO BEDROOM UNITS TO SUPPORT WORKING FAMILIES. WE ALSO BELIEVE THERE'S NOT WAYS TO INVEST OUR TAX DOLLARS. WE AGREE WITH THE LANGUAGE FOR APPRENTICESHIP FOR THE PROJECTS. AND WE WANT TO ENSURE THE QUALITY WORK BEING DONE AND WE'RE DIRECTING INVESTING IN OUR LOAL WORKFORCE. THERE ARE ALSO OTHER LEVERS THAT CAN BE USED LIKE REQUIRING LOCAL HIRES AS WE'VE HEARD TO ENSURE THE BROADER COMMUNITY BENEFITS. WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE OPPOSED OF IT BEING WITHOUT A WAY FOR TENABILITY AND WITHOUT EQUITY AND WITHOUT THE GUARANTEE TO SUPPORT PEOPLE WHOSE TAX DOLLARS ARE ON THE LOIN. WE URGE YOU TO CONSIDER THIS IRB AND MAKE SURE THIS SERVES THE PUBLIC. AT THE VERY LEAST THE VOTE UNTIL WE TAG PREVAILING WAGE ON THIS AND MAKE SURE TAXPAYERS ARE GETTING A FAIR RETURN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> JOAN. >> THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JOAN BAKER, I'M THE POLITICAL AFFAIRS DIRECTOR AND DIRECTOR OF OUTREACH AT UA LOCAL 412. WE'RE THE PIPEFITTERS UNION. WE -- THIS IRB, THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN IS A $227 MILLION GIVEAWAY. WITH NO WORKER PROTECTIONS AND NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING DURING OUR BIGGEST CRISIS, WHICH IS A HOUSING CRISIS. THEREFORE, IT IS NOT MAXIMIZING THOSE TAX DOLLARS. WE ALL AS A FIZZ I HEARD THE WOMAN GIVE THE REPORT THAT CONSTRUCTION GRT IS UP. IT'S ONE OF THE ONLY ONES THAT IS UP. LET US GET IT UP MORE. LET US KEEP IT UP. AND IT BEING TIED TO PREVAILING WAGE IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT. I THINK THAT THERE IS SO MUCH MORE THAT CAN BE DONE FOR OUR COMMUNITY TO MAXIMIZE YOUR ALL'S INVESTMENT IN WHAT YOU WANT TO GIVE TO THE COMMUNITY, RATHER THAN JUST A TAX GIVEAWAY. WE ASK YOU TO, AT THE MINIMUM, DELAY THIS IRB UNTIL AFTER JULY 1st. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. I THINK WE DO HAVE MR. MICHAEL HERE IN THE CROWD? IS IT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT OR UNDER THIS BILL? >> I BELIEVE IT'S GENERAL. >> GOOD EVENING. IT'S REAL HOT OUTSIDE. I HAVEN'T SPOKEN HERE SINCE I TALKED TO VINCE GREIGO MORE THAN 30 YEARS AGO. IT WAS AN INTERESTING THING I WAS TRYING TO OPEN A RESTAURANT 30 YEARS AGO. AFTER THAT, WE HAD THIS PLACE CALLED THE HOTEL ALBUQUERQUE. I RAN MY RESTAURANT BY MYSELF BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH DISH WASHERS. THE THING I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THIS. THIS IS NEW INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BOND. THEY ONLY PAY 20% PROPERTY TAX. IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OLD TOWN, THIS AREA CAN AFFORD SECURITY GUARDS. PEOPLE IN OLD TOWN ACROSS THE STREET CAN'T AFFORD SECURITY GUARDS. I'VE BEEN BROKEN IN MY RESTAURANT MANY TIMES. I HAVE TO GET MY MONEY TO PAY FOR MY WINDOWS BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD SECURITY GUARDS. NUMBER ONE. TWO, WE NEED A PARKING STRUCTURE THERE. BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PLACES TO PARK. SEASONS HAS A PARKING STRUCTURE. THEY PARK IN THERE. THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES WHEN THEY HAVE CONVENTIONS IS A GREAT THING TO BRING MONEY INTO THE CITY. ALSO, THEY'RE GETTING 8% INTEREST ON WHAT THEY'RE MAKING ON INVESTMENTS. THIS IS NOT FOR THE PEOPLE. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU 10% FOR LOW HOUSING PROCESSING. GIVE ME 50%. SO, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SUFFERING. OLD TOWN IS OFFERING. WE CAN'T AFFORD SECURITY GUARDS. THESE GUYS, THEY GOT SECURITY GUARDS. THEY GOT GUYS AND ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE TO STOP PEOPLE FROM DOING THAT. THE REST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS. IT'S A GOOD THING TO INCREASE PROFIT. IT'S GOOD TO START BUSINESSES. BECAUSE WE -- LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LET'S -- IF YOU'RE GOING TO DEVELOP, LET'S DEVELOP THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. NOT JUST ONE RIGHT HERE AND MAKE THEM A BUNCH OF MONEY FOR INVESTORS. THANK YOU FOR TALKING TO ME. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN KEEPING AN EYE ON WHAT GOES DOWN AT THE SAWMILL DISTRICT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY, REALLY SURPRISED ME WAS THE FACT THAT THERE IS SO MANY LOCAL ENTITIES, LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT STARTED OUT WITH NOTHING. I KNOW THERE'S A PIZZA COMPANY OUT THERE THAT STARTED WITH ZERO. AND NOW THAT PIZZA COMPANY IS SERVING A LOT OF PEOPLE. THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER BUSINESSES THAT HAVE DONE THE SAME THING. I KNOW SAWMILL MARKET IS ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND BROUGHT THEM AND ACTUALLY MADE THEM BETTER THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. ONE OF THE THINGS I LEARNED IS WHEN YOU HAVE COMPETITION, PEOPLE WANT TO COME DOWN AND TRY YOUR PLACE TOO. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO ADD A HUGE AMOUNT OF REVENUE TO THE WHOLE OLD TOWN AREA. AND I JUST REALLY, REALLY THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A REALLY BIG HIT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. COUNCILORS, OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR THE DEPARTMENT. WHEN YOU DID YOUR PRESENTATION, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, YOU TALKED ABOUT CONSTRUCTION JOBS. WE HEARD FROM THE FOLKS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN IN THAT. YOU MENTIONED THE NUMBER OF CONSTRUCTION JOBS. HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE YOU MENTIONING? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF NUMBER OF $750 FOR ALL THREE PROJECTS. >>COUN. ROGERS: WONDERFUL. JUST TO SPEAK TO WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMENTERER SAID, HOW MANY WILL BE LOCAL NEW MEXICANS? HOW MANY OF THOSE WILL BE NEW MEXICAN? JIM LONG, THE DEVELOPER, WHOEVER CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> WE HAVE INVESTED MANY, MANY HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE. WE ALWAYS ASPIRE TO USE LOCAL CONTRACTORS IN ALL OF OUR PROJECTS. ASSUMING THAT THE WORKLOAD OF THE CONSTRUCTION WILL ALLOW THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROJECT, WE WOULD TRY TO USE AS MANY AS WE POSSIBLY COULD. THAT'S BEEN OUR HISTORY. WE LIKE TO KEEP OUR WORKFORCE EMPLOYED. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC. WHAT DO YOU AVERAGE ON YOUR JOBS THAT YOU DO? PREVIOUSLY? BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, THE BEST INDICATOR OF THE FUTURE IS WHAT YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST. IN THE PAST IN THE JOBS WE'VE ALREADY COMPLETED FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, WHAT PERCENTAGE ARE LOCAL NEW MEXICANS DOING THAT BUILDING? >> PROBABLY 99%. >>COUN. ROGERS: PROBABLY 99%? OKAY. WONDERFUL. JUST SPEAKING, ARE THESE CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES UNIONIZED? >> WE'VE USED JAYNES CORPORATION, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE LARGEST UNION CONTRACTORS IN NEW MEXICO. THEY WORKED ON OUR PROJECTS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. LAST QUESTION. JUST TO SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT MY DISTRICT, BUT I ASKED COUNCILOR BACA AROUND THIS BECAUSE IT'S HIS DISTRICT. SPEAKING TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS THAT FELT LIKE THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE INCLUDED, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT? >> I WOULD SAY WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN VERY OPEN WITH OUR PROJECTS. WE'RE OPEN TO IDEAS. THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. SO, WE'VE WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE ALWAYS WILLING TO CONSIDER OPPORTUNITIES AS FAR AS THE PREVAILING WAGE ISSUE. WHATEVER THE LAWS ARE AT THE TIME, WE'LL CERTAINLY FOLLOW THOSE. >>COUN. ROGERS: MY LAST QUESTION. I HAVE CONFUSION ON THE CHACO RESIDENCE. ONE PART OF OUR PACKET SAYS IT'S LONG-TERM STAY. IS IT -- CAN YOU TELL US THE RESIDENCE PIECE OF THE PROJECT, WHAT'S IS MORE ABOUT? IS IT LONG-TERM RENTALS? >> IT'S AN EXTENDED STAY HOTEL. MANY GUESTS STAY WITH US AT HOTEL CHACO -- THAT HAS FACILITIES LIKE KITCHENETTE FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO STAY LONG-TERM. WE'RE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A NEW JOB. >>COUN. ROGERS: FOR THOSE UNITS, WHAT WOULD BOW -- BE THE RENT? >> I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY. >>COUN. ROGERS: THAT HELPS ME GET AN IDEA. BUT, I THINK I'M EXCITED ABOUT AND I WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS SAID AND GIVE THEM ANSWERS TO THOSE. I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING THOSE HEAD ON. WHAT I'M MOST GRATEFUL THERE IS THERE'S A LAND TRUST IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THOSE OF YOU THAT LIVE IN THAT LAND TRUST, YOUR HOUSING IS GOING TO BE STABLE REGARDLESS OF WITH WHAT HAPPENS WITH DEVELOPMENT AROUND IT. THAT'S WHY I'M WORKING ON A LAND TRUST IN DISTRICT SIX. BECAUSE THIS IS THE POINT. WE WANT DEVELOPMENT. WE WANT THOSE THINGS. WE ALSO WANT TO KEEP IT AFFORDABLE FOR FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS FOR GENERATIONS AND GENERATIONS. THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WE NEED MORE LAND TRUSTS SO THAT SOMEONE LIKE YOU COULD DO AWESOME DEVELOPMENT WE NEED BUT WE ALSO KEEP IT AFFORDABLE SO WE CAN DO BOTH. WE CAN DO BOTH. LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT WHERE WE PAY FOLKS AND YOU'RE USING FOLKS THAT ARE FROM HERE. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW SAD IT IS NOT TO LIVE SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT. THAT'S NOT YOUR FAULT, MR. LONG. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE POINT ABOUT THE LAND TRUST. THAT IS WHAT IS SAVING THE COMMUNITY IN THE AREA. LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET MORE OF THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO WE CAN HAVE BOTH. >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, THAT'S A FANTASTIC POINT OF VIEW. THERE'S OVER 400 AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE LAND TRUST. THAT TOUCHES OUR PROPERTY. WE LOVE HAVING HOUSING DIVERSITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE THRILLED TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEXT DOOR TO US. MANY OF THE WORKFORCE LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY. THAT IS MUCH MORE RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT FOR OUR CITY. GRIT POINT. >>COUN. ROGERS: ONE MORE THING ON THAT POINT. HE MADE ME THINK OF ONE MORE THING. ALSO TO THE ADMINISTRATION, THERE'S ANOTHER HUGE PIECE OF THAT LAND TRUST WE'RE WORKING ON DEVELOPING AND THINKING OF HOW TO FILL. I HOPE THERE'S STILL A HUGE PART OF THE NON-DEVELOPED LAN THAT'S A PART OF THE LAND TRUST THAT THE CITY CAN HELP BUILD MORE HOUSING THAT WILL HELP. WE NEED HOUSING ON ALL INCOME LEVELS. JUST BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE THERE DOESN'T MEAN SOMEONE ELSE CAN. WE NEED HOUSING FOR ALL INCOMES OF ALBUQUERQUE NOT JUST AFFORDABLE. IT'S AN EXCITING THING AND IT EXCITES ME BECAUSE OF THE LAND TRUST. WE CAN BUILD MORE HOUSING. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE MRA, HHH IS WORKING WITH WITH THE SAWMILL TO BUILD MORE SO PEOPLE CAN ENJOY WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING AND HAVE THAT OPTION. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: I HAVE AN AMENDMENT. I'M GOING TO ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS OR MAKE A COUPLE STATEMENTS. I GET DISAPPOINTED WHEN WE START HEARING THAT THE DEVELOPER IS A BAD GUY HERE IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE NEED. THIS IS THEIR JOB TO DEVELOP THINGS. WITH WE REALLY NEED TO THINK BIG AS A CITY. WE NEED TO DPROE -- GROW AND CREATE JOBS AND HAVE HOUSING AT DIFFERENT INCOME LEVELS. IT'S A REALLY FASCINATING PLACE. I JUST REALLY WANT TO GIVE THE CREDIT, MR. LONG, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF COMMISSIONER O'MALLEY CREATED THE STAGE FOR YOU TO TURN THAT INTO A PLACE FOR MIXED USE. I'M REALLY PROUD THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOW INCOME AND SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILOR ROGERS WAS SAYING. THEN IT JUST TURNED INTO THIS MOUND OF OUR COMMUNITY. I REALLY APPRECIATE EVEN BEFORE OUR CONVERSATION IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT HOW WE'VE DEVELOPED OUR CULTURE INTO EVERY YOU DO. JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT CHICANO, YOU'RE FROM HERE, YOUR FAMILY IS FROM HERE. THAT'S PART OF OUR CULTURE TOO. I JUST REALLY WANT TO SAY THAT. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE DOWN THERE. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GENTRIFICATION. THERE'S STATEMENTS MADE ABOUT GENTRIFICATION. THIS AREA, THANKS TO COMMISSIONER O'MALLEY, IS NOT BEING GENTRIFIED. IT SHOULD BE HOW WE MOVE FORWARD AS A CITY AND HAVE TRUE MIXED HOUSING. MY QUESTION IS. THE GENTLEMAN FROM THE UNION ASKED ABOUT THE PREVAILING WAGE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WE JUST BUILT THE VISITOR'S CENTER. THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT DELAYS OR NOT DELAYS. SOME OF THE THINGS -- PART OF SOME OF THOSE DELAYS IS THERE'S REAL ERROR FROM THE DEVELOPER AND CONSTRUCTION ASSOCIATED WITH THAT BUILDING. WE HAD TO REDO SOME STUFF. IT COSTS SOME MONEY. I THINK WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE PEOPLE BUILDING OUR BUILDINGS AND I THINK AS WE GROW OUR CITY WE'RE GOING TO GROW TOGETHER. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GROW WITH JUST A DEVELOPER. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO GROW ON THE SHOULDERS AND BACKS OF THE PEOPLE WHO DO THE HARD WORK AND WITH WORK 100-DEGREE WEATHER. I COULDN'T SWINGING A HAMMER AT THE SAME TIME. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO AN AMENDMENT THAT SAYS THAT -- I THINK THE STAFF HAS IT. THEY MAY BE ABLE TO PULL IT UP. WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE PREVAILING WAGE. THIS IS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, THE AMENDMENT SAYS THAT ON SAYS ON PAGE SIX, AFTER LINE 13, INSERT A NEW SECTION FIVE AS FOLLOWS. AND RENUMBER THE REMAINING SECTIONS ACCORDINGLY. SECTION FIVE, PREVAILING WAGES. THE APPROVAL OF THE INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BONDS IS CONTINGENT ON THE DEVELOPER PAYING PREVAILING WAGES AS DEFINED IN HB6 IN THE 2025 LEGISLATIVE SESSION. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION FOR FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. BASSAN: SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I JUST HAVE A QUESTION OF THE TIMELINE. I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THIS AMENDMENT. CAN ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS TALK US THROUGH THE EFFECTIVE DATE. THE WAY I'M READING IT, IT WOULD BECOME EFFECTIVE AFTER THE 1st OF THE MONTH OF JULY, WHICH MEANS IT WOULD FOLLOW THE STATE LAW ANYWAY. CAN SOMEBODY WALK US THROUGH THAT? IT CLEARLY SAYS WE'RE GOING TO PASS IT TONIGHT. IT'S GOING TO GO TO THE MAYOR, AND COME BACK DOWN AND GET SIGNATURES AND PUBLISH AND THEN IT'S EFFECTIVE. WHAT'S THE LIKELY EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS LEGISLATION? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I'M NOT SURE THIS LEGISLATION WILL BE EFFECTIVE UNTIL AUGUST, GIVEN THE BREAK. IT WOULD BE SOME TIME IN JULY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. CAN SOMEBODY ANSWER IF THERE'S ANY CHANCE THIS WOULD BECOME EFFECTIVE BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR FOR THE STATE? AT WHICH TIME THE STATE LEGISLATION WOULD GO INTO EFFECT? >> I THINK THE ANSWER SO, IN TERMS OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF HOUSE BILL SIX, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS WAITING FOR GUIDANCE FROM STATE ON WHEN THAT IS SIGN. YOU ARE CORRECT TO SAY THAT THEY'RE OVERLAPPING AND THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ORDINANCE COULD BE AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF HOUSE BILL SIX. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE DO KNOW THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF HB6. THAT'S NOT AN UNKNOWN. I'M ASKING SOMEONE WHO WORKED ON THIS BILL TO TALK ME THROUGH -- MR. MORROW, WHAT'S THE EARLIEST THIS BILL COULD BECOME EFFECTIVE. >> THIS BILL COULD BECOME EFFECTIVE FIVE DAYS AFTER SIGNATURE OF THE MAYOR. IT TAKES THREE TO SEVEN DAYS FOR TRANSMITTAL TO THE MAYOR. IT COULD BE EFFECTIVE AS SOON AS JUNE 25th. IT COULD BECOME EFFECTIVE PRIOR TO JULY. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO POINT OUT THE EFFECTIVE DATE DEPENDS ON THE MAYOR. I THINK FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE SHOULD REALIZE THAT. IT SEEMS IMPORTANT THAT WE PASS THIS AMENDMENT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE INTENT IS THAT IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE AFTER HB6, WHICH IS CLEARLY THE WILL OF OUR ENTIRE STATE. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WHEN DOES HB6 COME INTO EFFECT AGAIN? WHAT'S THAT EXACT DATE? WHEN DOES THE PREVAILING NEW TAX LAW COME INTO EFFECT? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I DON'T KNOW. THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE. IF YOU GIVE ME A MOMENT I'LL GET AN ANSWER. >> JUNE 20th. >>COUN. LEWIS: MY UNDERSTANDING IS, REALLY, THIS AMENDMENT WOULD PROVIDE A GAP OF MAYBE TWO OR THREE DAYS OR A WEEK OR SO BECAUSE THE AMENDMENT IS DOING EXACTLY WHAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE UNDER ACCORDING TO THE STATE LAW? >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. MORROW. >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? >>COUN. LEWIS: IS THIS AMENDMENT EXACTLY WHAT THE STATE PREVAILING WAGE LAW IS THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR LEWIS, THE AMENDMENT IS DIRECTING TO FOLLOWING THE PREVAILING WAGE DEFINED IN HB6. THAT IS THE INTENT OF THE AMENDMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT. IT'S JUST AN UNNECESSARY AMENDMENT. IT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE, BUT I THINK IT'S UNNECESSARY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST PIGGY BACKING OFF OF COUNCILOR LEWIS. JUST SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THIS, IF I WORK AT McDONALD FOR MINIMUM WAGE AND JULY 2nd COMES AND THIS IS PASSED AND MY PAY IS WHAT IT IS STATEWIDE, CORRECT? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, IT DEPENDS ON IF YOU'RE REFEARING TO PREVAILING WAGES. WHEN I THINK OF -- YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. EVEN IF WE PASS THIS TONIGHT -- AND THE STATE HOUSE BILL PASSES JULY 2nd, EVERYTHING GETS BUMPED UP TO STATE LAW AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW CORRECT? >> THE CITY WOULD COMPLY. THE BILL RELATES TO INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BOND PROJECTS THAT THE CONSTRUCTION AND COST OF LABOR FOR CONSTRUCTION IS LIKE A TRADITIONAL PUBLIC PROJECT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, CORRECT ME IF I'M MISUNDERSTANDING THIS, WE JUST DID THIS AT CENTRAL AND SAN MATEO SO PEOPLE COULD REDEVELOP THOSE PROJECTS. THAT PROGRAM, ARE WE GOING TO ATTACH THIS TO THEM TOO TO MAKE SURE THAT COMPANY WILL FOLLOW THE RULES PASSED IN JULY? >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. MORROW? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THE OBLIGATIONS THE DEVELOPER THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY PASSED ARE BOUND BY THOSE OBLIGATIONS BY THAT ORDINANCE. SO, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SPECIFICS. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THESE PREVAILING WAGE PROVISIONS AS ATTACHED TO INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BONDS WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO THOSE DEVELOPERS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION I NEED. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR ROGERS, COUNCILOR PEÑA ACTUALLY MADE QUITE A FEW OF MY POINTS EARLIER. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS AMENDMENT. EARLIER TODAY WE MET WITH GENERAL COUNSEL TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE DIRECT, OFTENTIMES, WHEN IT'S UP TO THE ADMINISTRATION WORK OUT THE DEAL IN THE CONTRACT. WHICH IN THIS CASE IS WITH WHAT HAPPENED. THIS IS BY REQUEST. THE MAYOR'S TEAM PUTS IT TOGETHER. I AM IN SUPPORT OF DEVELOPMENT AND OUR UNIONS. I QUESTION -- I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE CAN ANSWER IT. THEY WORKED OUT THE DETAILS OF THIS CONTRACT. IF WE PUT AN AMENDMENT CHANGING THAT WAGE RATE, HOW WOULD THAT -- WOULD THE PROJECT STILL PENCIL OUT? THAT'S MY QUESTION. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. MEREHEAD. THAT MIGHT BE TO YOU. >> SO, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BACA, THE ECONOMICS OF I'LL DEFER TO MR. LONG. FROM THE CITY'S POSITION, WE WILL COMPLY. THAT WILL BE THE DIRECTION FROM OUR OFF TOS -- TO THE CITY. WHEN THE RULES COME IN THE CITY WILL COMPLY. HOW THIS WILL AFFECT THE PROJECT, I'LL DEFER TO MR. LONG. >>COUN. BACA: MADAM PRESIDENT, WHEN YOU SAY THE CITY WILL COMPLY WITH THE RULES DO YOU MEAN HB6 OR THE AMENDMENT? >> IF THE AMENDMENT GOES IN -- BUT THE HB6 IF IT APPLIES CERTAINLY THE CITY WOULD COMPLY. >>COUN. BACA: MY LAST QUESTION. HOW DOES THE ADMINISTRATION FEEL ABOUT THIS AMENDMENT, GIVEN YOU GUYS DID THE LEGWORK ON THIS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, OF COURSE WE SUPPORT -- AS YOU KNOW, ON TWO TOPICS THAT CAME UP TODAY ABOUT APPRENTICESHIP AND PREVAILING WAGE. APPRENTICESHIP WE BROUGHT LEGISLATION FORWARD EARLIER. WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF AND BELIEVE IT'S VALUABLE AND IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF GROWING OUR WORKFORCE. WE SUPPORT INDIVIDUALS BEING PAID PREVAILING WAGE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. LONG, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO COUNCILOR BACA'S QUESTION? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BACA, AS I SAID WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE LAWS IN EFFECT AT THE TIME. SO, IF THAT MEANS PREVAILING WAGE WILL APPLY, THEN THAT'S OUR INTENT TO COMPLY. ANYTHING THAT CREATES AN ADDITIONAL COST BURDEN -- THESE PROJECTS ARE ECONOMICALLY SENSITIVE ALREADY. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST AN INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BON WITHOUT THE BOND THE PROJECTS ARE NOT FEASIBLE. ANY ADDITIONAL BURDENS THAT WE FACE WITH WITH ADDITIONAL COSTS COULD MAKE THE PROJECTS UNBUILDABLE. WE DON'T KNOW THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE LAWS AT THAT POINT WHEN THESE PROJECTS BREAK GROUND. SOME OF THESE PROJECTS COULD BREAK GROUND THIS YEAR, SOME OF THEM NEXT YEAR. MAYBE FOUR YEARS AFTER THAT. WE DON'T KNOW THE WAGE CONDITIONS. EVEN IF THERE'S EFFECTIVE UNION LABOR. WE'VE GOT A GREAT RELATIONSHIP JAYNE'S, THE BIGGEST UNION EMPLOYER IN THE STATE. WE'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH WHATEVER THE PREVAILING WAGE LAWS ARE AT THAT TIME. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR BACA, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING MORE? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST WANTED -- DURING MY MINIMUM WAGE RESEARCH THIS CAME UP. I JUST WANT TO GIVE SOME GROUNDING INFORMATION FOR THE PUBLIC WATCHING WHO MAY NOT KNOW WHAT HB6 IS. HB6 EXPANDS PREVAILING WAGE REQUIREMENTS FOR ANYTHING FOR INDUSTRIAL REVENUE BONDS. MOST IMPORTANT THING TO KNOW IS THERE'S NO RETROACTIVE EFFECT. IT COVERS ONLY THOSE POST-ENACTMENT. WHICH MEANS THE ONE WITHES FUNDED BEFORE THE BILL'S EFFECTIVE DATE AT THE STATE ARE NOT APPLICABLE. WHAT WE DO HERE TONIGHT WILL ABSOLUTELY AFFECT THE PREVAILING WAGE OF THE FOLKS BUILDING THESE PROJECTS. THIS WILL ALSO -- I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS -- WHAT THE STATE DID WAS GIVE WORK WITHER PROTECTION AND STATE BENEFITS THAT HAVE TO ALIGN WITH THE STATE-DETERMINED PREVAILING WAGE. MONITORING THESE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE DONE BY THE DEPARTMENT OF WORKFORCE SOLUTIONS. I THINK THAT'S THE REASON IT'S HERE IS BECAUSE IT WILL RAISE COST FOR THE PROJECT. IF WE WAIT -- I THINK THIS AMENDMENT IS GOOD TO PROTECT THE WORKERS BECAUSE IF WE PASS IT TONIGHT, THERE'S NO RETRO ACTIVE EFFECT. I JUST WANTED EVERYBODY TO REALIZE THAT. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST DOUBLE CHECKED BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GIVING CORRECT INFORMATION. HB6 DID NOT CONTAIN AN EFFECTIVE DATE. IT WOULD GO INTO EFFECT 90 DAYS AFTER THE LEGISLATURE ADJOURNED WHICH WOULD BE JUNE 20th, WHICH IS FOUR DAYS FROM NOW. IN THE BILL IT CLEARLY STATES IT HAS TO BE PUBLISHED. EVEN IF THEY RUSH TO THE MAYOR TONIGHT AND HE SIGNS IT, IT WOULD BE PUBLISHED TOMORROW AND IT CANNOT GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL FIVE DAYS AFTER THE PUBLICATION. I WAS HEARING DIFFERENT THINGS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE. I LOOKED THAT UP. THAT IS THE SITUATION. THIS BILL COULD NOT COME INTO EFFECT BEFORE JUNE 21st AT THE FASTEST. THAT'S ASSUMING THE MAYOR IS IN THE BUILDING AND COULD SIGN TONIGHT. WHICH HE'S NOT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: I GOT MY ANSWER. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE? COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT. I GUESS FOR -- YOU MENTIONED APPRENTICE PROGRAM THAT YOU'RE FOR THAT. AND YOU MENTIONED IT HERE TONIGHT. THAT IS A UNION AGREEMENT. YOU COUPLED THAT WITH THE PREVAILING WAGE. WHY DIDN'T YOU PUT THAT INTO THE -- MY SON CALLING ME. I APOLOGIZE. WHY WOULDN'T YOU PUT THAT INTO THE REQUEST IF THAT WAS IMPORTANT? >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, THE WORK THAT IS DONE ON THE IRB IS DONE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH DEVELOPER AND IRB REQUIREMENTS. I'D BE HAPPY IF DIRECTOR GRUNER WANTS TO SPEAK TO WHAT OUR STANDARDS ARE RELATED TO THE IRBs. IT ISN'T THE STATEMENT TONIGHT TO TRY TO INCORPORATE THAT. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT TO THE FACT THAT THE PUBLIC COMMENT CAME IN AND WE UNDERSTAND THOSE ISSUES AND WORKED ON THOSE ISSUES OVER THE YEARS. I HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF WORKING ON IT PREVIOUSLY. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT YOU TO MENTION THAT UNLESS THERE WAS PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT THAT WERE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT IT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU MENTIONED OH, YEAH, WE WANT TO DO THAT TOO. YOU DIDN'T PUT IT IN THE REQUEST. IT'S DISINGENUOUS TO DO THAT. AS FAR AS THE PREVAILING WAGE, I THINK IT'S CLEAR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO FOLLOW THE STATE'S PREVAILING WAGE. WITHOUT BEING IN AGREEMENT ON THIS AMENDMENT OR NOT, IT'S UNNECESSARY. IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS EVERYBODY ALL OVER THE CITY THAT'S EMPLOYING PEOPLE AND ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS, IF WE CREATE DIFFERENT LAWS LIKE THIS THAT ARE INCONSISTENT OR -- INCONSISTENT AS FAR AS TIMING, WE'RE PUTTING IT ON ONE EMPLOYER AND NOT OTHER EMPLOYERS. TECHNICALLY, IF THIS DID NOT GO INTO EFFECT AND THIS WERE TO APPLY TO JUST ONE PROJECT, IT WOULD APPLY TO ONE PROJECT AND NOT EVERYBODY ELSE. I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH CHECKER BOARDING DIFFERENT LAWS LIKE THAT BY THE CITY DOING THAT. BOTTOM LINE, I JUST THINK THE AMENDMENT IS UNNECESSARY. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, WE'RE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. COUNCILOR PEÑA TO CLOSE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I GUESS I WOULD SAY THAT THE PREWAILING AGE IS GOING TO GO INTO EFFECT. I THINK WE CAME UP WITH A TIME. CAN YOU TELL ME WHEN IT WILL GO INTO EFFECT FOR THE TENTH TIME? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, AS STATED BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, AND I BELIEVE IT'S JUNE 20th. >>COUN. PEÑA: WITH JUNE 20th, THIS IS GOING TO BE THE STANDARD. I THINK WE HAVE HERE IS WE HAVE A BUNCH OF UNION MEMBERS THAT CAME DOWN TO SPEAK THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S THE PREWAILING WAGE IS GOING TO COME INTO THE EFFECT. I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCILOR LEWIS TO SAY I DON'T KNOW IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. BUT I THINK FOR THE COMFORT OF THE UNION TO KNOW WE SUPPORT THE PREVAILING WAGE WHEN IT GOES INTO EFFECT IT WILL BE IMPOSED ON THE DEVELOPER NO MATTER WHAT. WE'RE SAYING WE'RE OF THE SAME UNDERSTANDING THAT WE SUPPORT THE PREVAILING WAGE. WITH THAT, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, THE MOTION IS TO PASS AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? DID WE GET EVERYONE'S VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON AN 8-1 VOTE. ARE THERE ANY MORE AMENDMENTS? ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT O-87 OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR LEWIS AND COUNCILOR BACA TO CLOSE. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE'RE JUST VERY FORTUNATE. OUR CITY IS FORTUNATE TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE FROM ALBUQUERQUE THAT CAN INVEST THEIR HARD-EARNED MONEY, INVESTMENT, NAME, REPUTATION TO CREATE PHENOMENAL CULTURAL PLACES THAT ARE PROVIDING HOUSING. JUST SOME AMAZING FACILITIES THAT ARE JUST GOING TO LIFT UP THE WHOLE CITY. CERTAINLY GOING TO LIFT UP OLD TOWN AND REALLY COMPLIMENT ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN OLD TOWN. THESE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT MAKES SENSE. THERE'S NOT CITY MONEY, LIKE CASH DOLLARS. THIS IS A PRIVATE INVESTMENT OF PEOPLE WHO LOVE THIS CITY AND ARE WITH WILLING TO INVEST HERE. WE'RE JUST GOING TO BENEFIT FROM IT LIKE CRAZY. I THINK OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THIS IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. IT IS A DIRECT BENEFIT FOR CREATING JOBS AND LIFTING PEOPLE OUT OF POVERTY IN THE CITY. PROVIDING SOME REALLY GOOD PAYING JOBS FOR OUR CITY AND FROM ALL OVER TOWN. I LOVE AMENITIES LIKE THIS. YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OF THEM, CHACO HOTEL, THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE. WE NEED ALL LEVELS OF DIFFERENT -- ONE-NIGHT STAYS AND LONG-TERM STAYS BECAUSE PEOPLE COME IN FROM ALL OVER ALBUQUERQUE IN TOWN HERE AND THEY WILL STAY TWO NIGHTS OR TEN NIGHTS. AND THEY GO AWAY WITH THE PERSPECTIVE ON HOW THEY VIEW OUR CITY. AND HOW THEY SEE US. AND THEY'RE WILLING TO COME AND INVEST AND ENJOY SOME OF THESE GREAT FACILITIES AT ALL LEVELS OF EXPENSE TO THEM. THANK GOD FOR INVESTMENTS LIKE THAT WHERE PEOPLE FROM SANDIA LABS THAT COME HERE AND ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT COMPANIES IN THE CITY THAT HAVE PEOPLE COME FROM ALL OVER THE UNITS TO STAY HERE AND VISIT AND HAVE PLACES TO STAY WHERE YOU EXPERIENCE THE CULTURE OF ALBUQUERQUE AND NEW MEXICO. SO, CERTAINLY URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, MOTION IS FOR DO PASS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MOVING TO FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS. AGENDA ITEM B. COUNCILOR ROGERS BY REQUEST. R-165. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I LIKE TO MOVE R-165 RELATING TO THE APPROVAL OF A REDEVELOPMENT TAX ABATEMENT ON THE SYCAMORE PLAZA MIXED USE PROJECT. THIS IS COMPANION TO WHAT WE PASSED EARLIER A COUPLE MEETINGS BACK TO EXPAND THE MRA ZONE AND INCLUDE THIS PROJECT. I MOVE FOR A DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. I DON'T SEE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS. COUNCILOR ROGERS TO CLOSE. SDMRR THANK YOU, MAD . >>COUN. ROGERS: I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION IS FOR DO PASS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. MOVING TO AGENDA ITEM C. R-166. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: RELATING TO THE APPROVAL OF THE REDEVELOPMENT ON VASSER AND PHOENIX REDEVELOPMENT. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. AND COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN TO CLOSE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS IS REALLY EXCITING FOR ME. THIS IS OUR FIRST BIG MOVEMENT IN THE MENAUL MR AREA WHICH I KNOW YOU'RE SICK OF ME TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS A GIANT FIRST STEP I HOPE YOU SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION IS FOR DO PASS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? COUNCILOR LEWIS, HOW DO YOU VOTE? YES. COUNCILOR BACA JUST WALKED IN. ONE MORE TIME. ALL THOSE IN FIVE OF R-166 RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. MOVING TO APPEALS, WE HAVE NONE. NOW WE'RE ON GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT IF THEY SIGNED UP PER THE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE AGENDA. EACH PARTICIPANT HAS TWO MINUTES TO PRESENT. COMMENTS ARE GOING TO BE ADDRESSED TO THE COUNCILORS ONLY THROUGH THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT. ANY DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT WILL RESULT IN REMOVAL FROM THE MEETING. THERE'S TWO MINUTES. AND A BELL WILL RING TO INDICATE YOUR TIME IS UP. PLEASE CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. FIRST SPEAKER IS LEX FOLLOWED BY BRICK. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I WAS HAPPY TO DISCOVER IN MY ENDEAVOR TO TRY TO DETERMINE WHAT PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY ARE SIGNING THEIR OATHS OF OFFICE. IT DID GIVE ME GREAT JOY THAT ALL THE COUNCILORS HERE TONIGHT ACTUALLY SIGNED THEIR OATH OF OFFICE. IT IS PART OF THEIR FILE. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT A NUMBER OF THE STATE JUDGES AND FEDERAL JUDGES AND PEOPLE OF THE UPPER ECHELONS OF THE JUDICIAL AND LEGISLATIVE AND BODIES HAVE DONE SO. INCLUDING OUR MAYOR. OUR MAYOR SIGNED HIS OATH. WHAT TROUBLES ME IS THAT THESE PEOPLE AREN'T WALKING THE STREETS CARRYING A GUN AND A BADGE. AND WHEN WE PUT PEOPLE IN THESE POSITIONS LIKE YOURSELF, I WOULD THINK YOU'RE REGARDED AS A HIGHER OFFICE. YOU'RE GIVEN MORE RESPECT. YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE PRIDE IN WHAT YOU DO BECAUSE YOU'RE SERVING THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE CITIZENS. IT TROUBLES ME THAT IT'S LIKE A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD. WHY WOULDN'T THE CITY POLICE OFFICERS SIGN THEIR OATH? WHERE'S THE HONOR IN NOT SIGNING THE OATH? AT THE 14th JUNE THING HELD SATURDAY, I GOT TO MEET MS. SANSBURY. WE HAD A QUESTION POSED IN THE AUDIENCE. IT WAS ABOUT THE OATHS OF OFFICE FOR POLICE. I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW IT CAME ABOUT BUT A GROUP OF OFFICERS CARD BEING A MEMBER OF THE BROTHERHOOD DOESN'T MEAN SIGNING THEIR OATH TO THE CONITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. THANK YOU. >> BRICK FOLLOWED BY CHRISTOPHER. >> COUNCILORS, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH -- I APPRECIATE YOU SIGNING YOUR OATH. VERY IMPORTANT. HAD A LITTLE CONVERSATION DURING THAT MEETING WITH MS. ROGERS. SHE MENTIONED THERE'S A PBA CARD. THAT'S A LOYALTY TO THE POLICE UNION. IT'S INTERESTING THEY WOULD SIGN THAT ONE, BUT THEN NOT SIGN LOYALTY OATH TO THE CONSTITUTION, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH SUPPORTING AND UPHOLDING AND DEFENDING OUR RIGHTS LIKE THEY HAVE LOYALTY TO THEIR BROTHERHOOD BUT NOT OUR RECOGNIZES. THAT'S INTERESTING. JUST WHAT I MENTIONED THURSDAY WITH THE CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT BOARD, THAT SIGNATURE OATH IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT CREATES LIABILITY. A CONTRACT ISN'T A CONTRACT WITHOUT LIABILITY. THAT'S WHAT THE SIGNATURE -- THAT'S WHAT THE SIGNATURE IS. THE ISSUE IS THE CHIEF DOESN'T HAVE LOYALTY. HE DOESN'T HAVE LIABILITY. NOT ON PAPER. IF IT WAS REALLY UP TO HIM, IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO SAY THE PLEDGE. YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO SIGN YOUR OATH. MILITARY SERVICE MEMBERS WOULDN'T NEED TO SIGN THE OATH BECAUSE THEY HAVE CONSCIENTIOUS SCRUPLES. SURE, THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE LAW FOR THAT. THEN THE QUESTION COMES UP WHAT ARE THE CONSCIENTIOUS SCRUPLES. WHY DON'T YOU HAVE LOYALTY TO UPHOLDING AND DEFENDING OUR RIGHTS? IS IT JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN? AT THAT POINT, IT'S NOT CONSCIENTIOUS SCRUPLES. IT'S JUST A CHOICE YOU DON'T WANT LIALITY. IN LIEU OF THAT, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE POLICE OFFICERS TO SIGN THE OATH. SIGN IT. >> CHRISTOPHER FOLLOWED BY RYAN. BRIAN FOLLOWED BY LISA. LISA FOLLOWED BY JACK. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BASSAN. THANK YOU FOR THAT AMENDMENT. I FIRST WANT TO MENTION THAT THE ENTIRE CITY SECTION HAS 30 SEATS. SO THE POLICE COMING TO TELL US WE HAVE TO MOVE FROM THIS FRONT SEAT THAT I'VE BEEN SITTING IN FOR TWO YEARS BECAUSE KELLER DOESN'T WANT TO SEE MY FACIAL EXPRESSION IS A PROBLEM FOR ME. ANYWAY, DID YOU SEE THE POLICE CAME TO TELL ME TO MOVE? IT GOES WITH THE CITY AND LACK OF TRANSPARENCY. WEIGHING HEAVY ARE THE HUMAN BEINGS FROM BARCELONA STREETS. PEOPLE THERE WITH CITY VOUCHERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE ZERO SHELTER, THEY WERE DISPLACED FROM THE HOTEL WHERE THE CITY TOOK SOME OF THEM. SOME OF THEM ARE ON THE STREETS. ONE WOMAN -- I SENT A VIDEO OF IT. SHE CAME OUT FROM THE HOSPITAL AND MOVED TO THE HOTEL AND THAT SAME DAY WAS KICKED OUT BECAUSE THE CITY DIDN'T REAUTHORIZE THE VOUCHERS THEY HAD BEEN ON AT BARCELONA SUITES. WHY ARE PEOPLE BEING CRIMINALIZED FOR POVERTY. AND THEY'RE BARELY SURVIVING. THESE ARE HUMAN BEINGS WHO ARE IN ABJECT POVERTY. HOWEVER THEY GOT THERE, THEY'RE HUMAN. THEY'RE HUMANS FIRST. WE'RE TO HELP THE LEAST OF THESE, HOWEVER YOU GOT THERE. WE'RE ALSO SPEAKING OF HUMANITY. JOB CORPS. WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR THE BUILDINGS? ARE THEY GOING TO BE LEASED FOR SHELTER? I WANT TO THANK THAT WHOLE WARD. QUEENS OF PEACE, THANK YOU FOR HELPING ORGANIZE. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR GROUT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. COUNCILOR GROUT CAME IN PERSON AND WE MET WITH THE STAFF. AND THE KIDS FOUND OUT WHAT THEY NEEDED. THIS COMMUNITY SHOWED UP. THEY SHOWED UP WITH NOT ONLY LUGGAGE, THEY SHOWED UP WITH GIFT CARDS AND GOODS. GOOD JOB CITY. >>COUN. BASSAN: DOCTOR, YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO GO FAR. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THIS IS ISN'T A QUESTION SO FAR AS A STATEMENT WHAT JOUST SAID. I JUST WANT TO PERSONALLY -- THE MAYOR DOESN'T CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS IN THESE CHAMBERS. THIS BODY DOES AND THIS PRESIDENT CONTROLS THAT. IF YOU'RE BEING DIRECTED BY SOME OUTSIDE ENTITY TO DO SOMETHING IN THESE CHAMBERS THAT WE HAVE NOT AGREED UPON OR DISCUSSED YOU DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO IT. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. SHE JUST BROUGHT UP THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WERE REMOVED FROM BARCELONA BECAUSE IT WASN'T SAFE. AND NOW THEY'RE ON THE STREET. WHAT'S THAT ALL ABOUT? THAT SHOULDN'T BE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I WAS LOOKING TO SEE IF ACS IS HERE. SHE'S NOT AT THE MOMENT. WE CAN ABSOLUTELY FOLLOW UP RELATED TO EACH OF THE INDIVIDUALS. I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING UP WITH INDIVIDUALS THAT HAD UNIQUE CASES. EVERY INDIVIDUAL HAS THEIR OWN, WHETHER THEY'RE ON A VOUCH OR OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES. WE'RE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH HER. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. I WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO LIVE. IT'S DISTURBING WHEN I HEAR THEIR VOUCHERS HAVE RAN OUT AND THEY'RE ON THE STREET. THAT'S NOT GOOD. WE DO NEED TO GET BETTER AT THAT. WILL YOU PLEASE REACH OUT TO THE DOCTOR AND SHE MIGHT KNOW SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. ON THE SAME TOPIC, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HHHs PROCESS IS FOR SPOT CHECKING AND SITE VISITING. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED HERE, PUBLIC. WE FUNDED VOUCHERS. THEY PLACED THEM AT THE BARCELONA SUITES. BECAUSE THEY WERE PLACING FOLKS -- AND THEY OBVIOUSLY PUT THEM IN SUBSTANDARD AREAS. WE SAID, HEY, YOU'RE NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING FOR PEOPLE. SO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU VOUCHERS, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT ANSWER IF THEY'RE NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING BY PUTTING PEOPLE IN GOOD HOUSING. THEN, THOSE SAME PARTICIPANTS FELL THROUGH THE CRACKS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAND THEM OFF TO A DIFFERENT PROVIDER. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT HHHs PROCESS IS. HERE WE GOBACK TO PROCESSES. TO SPOT CHECK AND DO SITE VISITS. EYED I WOULD LIKE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JACK FOLLOWED BY JANET. >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCIL, I AM A PROFESSIONAL PROPERTY MANAGER HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE. IT DEEPLY CONCERNS ME THIS COUNCIL CONTINUES TO BRING FORWARD MEASURES TO MAKE AMENDMENTS TO LAWS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE BOOKS WITHOUT CONSULTING THE PROPERTY OWNERS OR ANY OF THE PROPERTY MANAGERS IN DOING SO. EVERY PROPERTY MANAGER IN THIS CITY IS CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS. AND FOR THE CITY COUNCILORS AND FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO CONTINUALLY PROPOSE LEGISLATION THAT WILL MAKE CHANGES TO LAWS WITHOUT COLLABORATING WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THIS ON A DAILY BASIS AND TO HEAR ONE SIDE OF THE STORY AT ALL IS DOOMED FOR FAILURE. WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO ENSURE SAFE HOUSING. WE NEED TO MAKE SHARE THAT IT'S SENSIBLE AND ENFORCEABLE FOR ALL PARTIES. THANK YOU. >> JANET FOLLOWED BY ANAMI. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M RESIDENT OF DISTRICT NINE. I'M ACTUALLY HERE TONIGHT -- I'M A LITTLE -- A LITTLE COUNCIL HISTORY BECAUSE I SAW IN THE SUNDAY NEWSPAPER THE OBITIARY FOR TOM HOOVER. HE WAS THE FIRST COUNCILOR, 1974-1989, TO REPRESENT DISTRICT FOUR. AND I LOOKED AT OUR COUNCIL WEBSITE AND SAW THAT HE WAS -- 1 YEARS AND HE WAS FOLLOWED BY COUNSELOR HUGHES FOR EIGHT YEARS. AND SAM BREGMAN, WHICH I FOUND INTERESTING SAT THERE IN DISTRICT FOUR FOR FOUR YEARS. AND BRAD WINTER FOR 20 YEARS AND NOW COUNCILOR BASSAN. I WAS AROUND IN 1973-74 WHEN THE VERY FIRST COUNCIL MEETINGS STARTED, 50 YEARS AGO. I DID WANT TO MENTION PATRICK BACA AT ONE TIME DISTRICT ONE WAS THE ENTIRE WEST SIDE OF ALBUQUERQUE. HE HAD EVERYTHING FROM WESTGATE TO ATRISCO TO TAYLOR RANCH. YOU CAN IMAGINE HAVING ALL THAT. JUST TO SAY A FEW OTHER NAMES. AGAIN, HOOVER WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT JUST WANTED TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN FOR THE CITY. JOE ABEYTA, DISTRICT TWO. JACK COLBERT. SANDY WEST. RALPH -- JACK WEKS. AND MY STRONG RECOLLECTION UNTIL THE 1980s WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS WERE ACROSS HERE, YOU COULD SMOKE IN THE CHAMBERS AND THERE WERE LITTLE ASHTRAYS HOOKED ON THE BACK OF THE SEATS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT BACK. I'M SORRY. SORRY TO THOSE OF YOU WHO THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. NO CIGARS. >> ANAMI FOLLOWED BY JOSHUA. >> INTERACTING WITH THIS COUNCIL HAS DRIVEN ME INSANE. I DO MEAN THAT LITERALLY. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON. I'M GOING TO THE MENTAL HOSPITAL RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. >> JOSHUA FOLLOWED BY TAD. TAD FOLLOWED BY ADEO. ADEO FOLLOWED BY TIFFANY. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT MEMBERS. I'M HERE TO ALERT YOU TO THE PRESENCE OF VERY BIG, VERY WHITE AND VERY SCARY CAMERAS. THESE ARE CAMERAS OWNED BY A GROUP CALLED FLOCK SAFETY. THEY PARTNER WITH ICE. WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT. DENVER CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY CANCELED THEIR CONTRACT WITH FLOCK SAFETY. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU ALL ACT WITH THE SAME SPEED AND URGENCY TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. I COME HERE TODAY WITH THE WEIGHT OF A LOT OF HISPANICS, CHICANO, IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE SCARED TO LEAVE THEIR HOUSES. THAT'S NOT AMERICA. THANK YOU. >> TIFFANY FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION TO BRING AWARENESS TO THE WORKING PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY FOR DOING WHAT YOU CAN TO RAISE THEM UP AND GIVE THEM A LIVING WAGE. I WAS ALSO -- I'M NOT JUST A TEACHER. I WAS PART OF LOCAL IBEW IN NEW YORK CITY. I WAS AN ELECTRICAL WORKER THAT WENT THROUGH APPRENTICESHIP. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HELPED ME GET OUT OF POVERTY WERE CHILD CARE TRANSPORTATION. IN NEW YORK CITY YOU CAN GET ANYWHERE ANY TIME OF DAY. THERE'S NO DIVISION BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOODS IN THAT MANNER. THAT'S LACKING HERE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GO SUPPORT APPRENTICES FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO RAISE THEMSELVES IN OUR ECONOMY. THOSE ARE SOME AREAS WE SHOULD NOTICE. I AM PART OF DISTRICT ONE, MR. SANCHEZ. I WOULD LIKE TO PLEASE ANSWER MY EMAILS WHEN WITH I SEND THEM TO YOU. THANK YOU. >> MICHAEL FOLLOWED BY JAMES. >> HOW IS EVERYBODY DOING? I'VE BEEN WORKING IN SOCIAL SERVICES FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. ONLY THE YEAR IN THE LAST YEAR. I WAS WORK FOR THE COUNTY DOING OUTREACH BUT THEY SHUT DOWN OUR PROGRAM UNEXPECTEDLY. I KNOW THAT'S NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. ANYWAY, I BRING THAT UP TO SAY I'VE BEEN DOING OUTREACH ON MY OWN. I'VE COME ACROSS A SITUATION IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE A BOOK STORE OWNER IS ALLOWING PEOPLE TO ILLEGALLY CAMP IN HIS PARKING LOT. PROBABLY PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT IT BEFORE. I TRIED TO MEDIATE THE SITUATION BETWEEN THE BOOK STORE OWNER AND PEOPLE LIVING THERE,S BUSINESS OWNERS. MY NEIGHBORS. WITH NO SUCCESS. IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO BRIDGE THE GAP BECAUSE I VALUE BEING ABLE TO HELP PEOPLE AND I DON'T THINK IT'S HELPING ANYBODY RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. >> JAMES FOLLOWED BY ROSENDA. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, WITH RESPECT TO COUNCILOR LEWIS'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE WAY IN WHICH DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THE SAWMILL CAN LIFT UP ALBUQUERQUE, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT EVERY PART OF OUR CITY IS CONNECTED BY CORRIDORS. UNLESS THEY FLY IN BY HELICOPTER TO GO TO SAWMILL THEY'RE GOING TO TRAVEL DOWN ONE OF OUR MAJOR ROADS. I RECENTLY TOOK UP A MASOCHISTIC HOBBY OF COUNTING ALL THE PROPERTIES ON SOME OF THE MAKER CORRIDORS. 4th STREET, RANCHITOS AND MENAUL. 510 OF THE BUSINESS PREMISES, STAND ALONE BUILDINGS OR PREMISES WITHIN STRIP MALLS, ARE ABANDONED CLOSED UNOCCUPIED NOT OPERATING BUSINESSES. AND WE'RE BUILDING MORE. IN SOME PARTS OF TOWN, AS YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE FACTORS IS THESE AREAS ARE -- LITERALLY BECOME THE RESIDENTS OF PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE HOUSING. ANYWAY, I LISTENED TO AN INTERVIEW WITH DOUG PETERSON A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND HE TALKED ABILITY -- HIS FRUSTRATION WAS THE FACT THAT POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS OR DEAL MAKERS FLY INTO ALBUQUERQUE AND AFTER THEY DRIVE DOWN ONE OF THE CORRIDORS AND SEE THE DEVASTATION AND RUINATION, THEY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, TAKE ME BACK TO THE AIRPORT. I'VE HEARD FROM HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS THAT PERSPECTIVE PEOPLE WE NEED IN THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY COME INTO TOWN, DRIVE DOWN A STREET AND DECIDE THIS IS NOT A PLACE WHERE I WANT TO RAISE MY FAMILY. I ASK YOU TO FOCUS ON HOW DO WE RE-ESTABLISH THESE CORRIDORS AND MAKE THEM PART OF THE CITY THAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF AND WILL CONNECT ONE ALBUQUERQUE RATHER THAN A FIRST-WORLD AND THIRD-WORLD PART OF ALBUQUERQUE. THANK YOU. >> ROSENDA FOLLOWED BY JAMES. JAMES FOLLOWED BY TRINA. >> GOOD EVENING. MADAM PRESIDENT, IT'S ACTUALLY WORSE THAN LISA MADE IT SOUND. I'M ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGED. NOT ONLY WERE THOSE SIGNS THERE AND HAD BEEN SITTING THERE FOR A LONG TIME. THE POLICE OFFICER DID NOT ASK ME TO MOVE. DID NOT ASK THE OTHER CAUCASIAN INDIVIDUAL TO MOVE. HE ONLY TARGETED LISA. I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS RACIALLY MOTIVATED OR THERE'S PREJUDICE. IT WAS ABSOLUTE LEOUTRAGES. YOU ASKED ABOUT BARCELONA SUITES. I ASKED THAT SAME QUESTION. IT TURNS -- ALL THESE WORDS ARE MY OPINION. I'M NOT REPRESENTING ANY AGENCY. I ASKED THAT QUESTION. HOW DID WE LET SOMEBODY LIVE IN SUBSTANDARD HOUSING? HOW IS SOMEBODY IN A VOUCHER LIVING IN THESE CONDITIONS? THE ANSWER I GOT FROM THE HOUSING DIRECTOR IS THERE'S A LOT OF SHIFTING BETWEEN AGENCIES WITH THE VOUCHERS. WE TOOK OVER VOUCHERS FROM THE SUPPORTIVE HOUSING COALITION. THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO MONTHLY -- THEY MAKE SURE THEY'RE MAINTAINING DECENT LIVING STANDARDS. BUT WE HAVEN'T DONE THE FIRST ONE YET. THAT'S HOW WE ONLY HAD ONE. WE TURNED THEM AROUND AND GET THEM REHOUSED WITHIN FIVE DAYS. THAT'S REMARKABLE. IT IS INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS KEEPS HAPPENING AND WE HAVE SIX HOTELS CLOSED DOWN. HOW DOES A MOTEL QUALIFY FOR HOUSING VOUCHER. TIP CLE, THEY DON'T MEET MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR MOST VOUCHERS. LIKE I SAID, IT WAS A DIFFERENT AGENCY THAT GOT THEM IN. ONLY MOTEL VOUCHERS SHOULD BE USED. NOBODY ON A PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOWING VOUCHER SHOULD BE THERE. THERE WERE LOTS. PEOPLE ARE FALLING THROUGH THE CRACKS. THANK YOU. >> TRINA FOLLOWED BY SAL ON ZOOM. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. I REPRESENT CUIDANDO LOS NINOS ESTABLISHED IN 1988 FOR A SPECIFIC GROUP OF HOMELESS OR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING POVERTY. THESE ARE THE HIDDEN HOMELESS. THESE ARE THE MOMS WITH SMALL CHILDREN AFRAID TO BE OUT ON THE STREET BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID THEIR CHILDREN WILL BE VICTIMS OF PREDATORS OR THEY'RE AFRAID THE STATE WILL TAKE THEIR CHILDREN AWAY. I REACHED OUT TO COUNCILOR GROUT BECAUSE THE CITY CUT OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR. WE RUN A VERY LEAN ORGANIZATION. WE HAVE HOUSING AND CHILD CARE. WE DO VISIT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR PEOPLE MORE THAN ONCE A MONTH THE MINIMUM IS ONCE A MONTH. WE DO HAND UPS AND NOT HANDOUTS. WE DO CASE MANAGEMENT WITH ALL OF OUR PEOPLE. I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT THE CITY HAD AN AD HOC COMMITTEE THAT CUT OUR BUDGET AFTER MAYOR TIM KELLER USED CUIDANDO LOS NINOS AS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMEBODY DOING IT WELL. WE WERE ALLOWED TO PRESENT AT THE MAYOR'S BALL AS AN ORGANIZATION DOING IT WELL. THIS DOESN'T JUST CUT PROGRAMS, IT CUTS OUR STAFF AND PUTS OUR STAFF IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR OUR SERVICES. I LIKE ALL OF US TO THINK ABOUT -- I WAS LISTENING TO THIS $227 MILLION HERE AND WHATEVER THERE. WHEN YOU CUT US BY $500,000 YOU CUT OVER 50 FAMILIES THAT HAVE BEEN HOUSED THAT WILL NO LONGER BE HOUSED. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE AWARE OF THAT. WE JUST CAUSED INSTABILITY IN OUR HOUSING SITUATION INSTEAD OF STABILITY IN THE HOUSING SITUATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THIS IS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. THIS IS ONE GROUP THAT DOES ALL OF THE GOOD THINGS THAT HAS THE FOLLOW UP THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR. AND THEY'RE JUST DOING GOOD THINGS. LIKE SHE SAID, THEY'RE DOING HAND -- THEY'RE DOING HAND-UP. THEY'RE GIVING THEM THE TOOLS AND RESOURCES TO BE ON THEIR OWN. I WAS SORELY DISAPPOINTED WHEN I HEARD THEIR CONTRACT HAD BEEN CUT. COULD YOU PLEASE FOLLOW UP WITH HER AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN? THE ONE PIECE THAT REALLY MAKES ME HAPPY IS ABOUT WHAT THEY DO. THEY DO GO IN AND MAKE SURE THAT THE APARTMENT THAT THEY'RE IN IS WELL CARED FOR. THE TENANT IS ALSO DOING THEIR JOB TO CARE FOR THAT PROPERTY. THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO FUND THEM. BECAUSE IT WAS A BIG CUT. LOOK INTO THAT AND GET BACK WITH THEM. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY WERE IN THE BUDGET WE SENT DOWN FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. AND THE COMMITTEE SUB WE RECEIVED BACK WAS WHEN IT WAS CUT FROM THE BUDGET. >>COUN. GROUT: IT WAS ONE PIECE IN IT. THERE WAS ONE PIECE IN THERE, BUT I HAD SPOKEN WITH TRINA, AND THERE WAS ONE PIECE THEY DIDN'T NEED ANYMORE. BUT THERE ARE OTHER CONTRACTS THAT WERE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. THOSE WERE NOT CUT. LET'S FOLLOW UP ON THAT. >> SAL FOLLOWED BY SARAH. >> GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS COMMITTEE. I'M ALSO A PROUD RESIDENT OF COUNCILOR GROUT'S DISTRICT. I'M SPEAKING ON RESOLUTION 163, WHICH IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND APPROVED THIS EVENING. IT PROVIDES BETTER SUPPORT FOR OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND PERMITTING SYSTEM. AND BRINGS MUCH-NEEDED HELP TO THE TITLE AND BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS. I WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR LEWIS AND ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL FOR SUPPORTING THIS RESOLUTION. THANK YOU. >> SARAH FOLLOWED BY SHELL ? >> I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO WALTER WITH ACS FOR RESPONDING TO A HOUSING NEED FOR A YOUNG MAN AFTER HOURS. I WANT TO EXPRESS GATITUTE TO THE SOLID WASTE EMPLOYEE WHO WAS COLLECTING TRASH AT 8 P.M. TONIGHT I HAVE A WISH LIST OF REQUESTS FOR YOU. THE FIRST IS ABOUT COOLING CENTERS. COULD YOU BE PROACTIVE IN ARRANGING COOLING CENTERS FOR THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WITHOUT HOME IN THE SUMMER HEAT. OPEN LIBRARIES ARE COOLING STATIONS. EVENTS WHERE PEOPLE CAN REST IN THE SHADE. MAYOR KELLER POSTED THAT EVERYONE DESERVES TO BE SAFE FROM EXTREME HEAT, NO MATTER THE HOUSING SITUATION. I FIND IT SAD HE FELT THIS IS WARRANTED WITH ONE ALBUQUERQUE. HE MENTIONED SPLASH PADS AND POOLS AND SHELTERS AND 24-7 TRANSPORTATION. AND HOPEFULLY THIS IS PEOPLE ACCESSING SPLASH PADS WITHOUT CRIMINALIZATION. ALBUQUERQUE NEEDS ACCESSIBLE PROGRAMMING FOR YOUTH OF ALL AGES. I LEARNED ALBUQUERQUE USED TO OPEN COMMUNITY CENTERS FOR DANCES AND GAME NIGHTS ON A REGULAR BASIS, CAN WE BRING THOSE BACK? WE NEED TEEN CENTERS ACROSS THE CITY. THIS PROVIDES THEM WITH OPPORTUNITIES TO CONTINUE TO LEARN, GROW AND CREATE RATHER THAN EXPERIENCE BOREDOM. COULD YOU PLACE AFFORDABLE VOUCHER IN RIO GRANDE PARK WHERE MANY PEOPLE PASS THROUGH ON THE WAY TO BIKE, RUN, WALK BOSQUE. I HAVE SEEN TOO MANY -- PLEASE CONTINUE TO SUPPORT ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE HELPING JOB CORPS PARTICIPANTS WHO ARE IN NEED OF SAFE LONG-TERM HOUSING THROUGH TRANSPORTATION AND EDUCATION AND EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES. MANY ARE COUCH SURFING. WE SAY WE CARE ABOUT OUR YOUTH. WE NEED TO SHOW THEM WE CARE. AM I OUT OF TIME? >> YES, YOU ARE. >> THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. >> YOU TOO. >> CHELSE LEFT THE MEETING. >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE RENT ORDINANCE GIVEN NO RECOMMENDATION IN THE LAND USE COMMITTEE. I -- IT WASN'T READY FOR PRIME TIME IS HOW ONE COUNCILOR DESCRIBED IT. MANY ORDINANCES CRIMINALIZING HOMELESS HASN'T SEEMED THOUGHT OUT BEFORE PRIME TIME. THIS ONE IS. IT GAVES CRUCIAL RIGHTS TO TENANTS THAT ARE VERY -- NOTICE ON RENT RAISES. TRANSPARENT FEES AND THE ABILITY TO GET TIMELY REPAIRS WHEN LEFT NEGLECTED. THINK ABOUT OUR CURRENT SITUATION. THINK ABOUT THOSE THAT RENT. RENT IS ALREADY GETTING HIGHER. MANYF OF US ARE GETTING READY FOR CUTS IN SNAP AND MEDICARE. LOOK AT OUR HOMELESS AND UNDERSERVED POPULATION IN ALBUQUERQUE. DO WE REALLY WANT TO MISS OUR CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING AT THIS MOMENT WITH SO MUCH UNCERTAINTY? YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO GIVE ONE THING THAT SHOWS THEIR COUNCILOR IS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THEIR LIVES FOR A MOMENT. THIS ISN'T THE END-ALL, I ENCOURAGE ANY REASONABLE COUNCILOR TO READ THE BILL AND FIND ANY SECTION THAT THE RIGHTS AREN'T FAIR WHEN SEEKING HOUSING. WE HAVE A CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING HISTORIC. PLEASE, IF THE SAKE OF SUSTAINABILITY, SURVIVAL AND THE PEOPLE OF THIS CITY, APPROVE THIS RENT ORDINANCE WHEN IT COMES TO VOTE. PLEASE. >> REDAUFL -- RUDOLPH FOLLOWED BY RHIANNON. >> WE HAVE A SERVICE DOG. LIKE EVERY SERVICE DOG, HE'S GOT THE RIGHT TO GET INTO THE MEETING. THE REASON I'M NOT IN THE MEETING I'M NOT THERE IS THE BUS DRIVER WON'T ALLOW THE DOG EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE CCREDENTIALS. I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE RIGHTS. LET ME EXPLAIN. AFTER GERMANY STOPPED PAYING FOR THE THIRD REICH THEY FORMED A NEW ECONOMY TRYING TO COME INTO POWER. WE FINALLY DEFEATED THEM. WHAT WE SEE IS THAT ALL THOSE PEOPLE MOVED TO FRANKFURT, SOROS, BLACKBROCK, AND RUSSIA. THEY'RE GOING TO FORM THE LGBT COMMUNITY REICH. WE SAW IN WORLD WAR II 66,000 MEMBERS IN GERMANY AND LOS ANGELES AND NOW WE HAVE 666,000 MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TOO. THEY'RE DRIVING THE MEXICAN COMMUNITY DOWN AGAINST THE UNITED STATES TRYING TO DESTROY THE DREAM OF THE PEOPLE. NOT EVERY STATE WON. NEW MEXICO LOST. CALIFORNIA LOST. BUT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE RESPECT FOR THE CHILDREN WON. THAT WAS MY COMMENT TODAY. WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE HATE THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE BRINGING. AND BRINGING TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY. THANK YOU. >> RHIANNON. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. ON BEHALF OF NAOP, I LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT FOR R-163 THAT WAS ALREADY PASSED ON CONSENT AGENDA. IT PROVIDES RESOURCES TO IMPROVING THE PERMITTING EFFICIENCY WITHIN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THIS IS A DIRECT RESULT OF MEANINGFUL COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, COUNCILOR LEWIS, THE ADMINISTRATION, AND PLANNING STAFF. WE'RE REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THIS LEADERSHIP IN MOVING THIS FORWARD. I ALSO WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY WE SUPPORT R-125-167 WHICH IS ON INLETTER OF INTRODUCTION. IT'S OFTEN ZONING CONVERSION WHICH IS THOUGHTFUL. AND VOLUNTARY APPROACH TO INCREASING HOUSING OPTIONS CITYWIDE. BOTH PIECES OF LEGISLATION REFLECT A STRATEGIC AND COORDINATED ACTION THAT IS NEEDED TO ADDRESS ALBUQUERQUE'S HOUSING AND DEVELOPMENT CHALLENGES. THERE IS CERTAINLY MORE WORK TO BE DONE. TO IMPROVE THE SYSTEM, PROCESSES, AND INCREASE A LOTMENT FOR ENTIRE DENSITY ACROSS THE CITY. WE'LL DEFINITELY WORK WITH STAFF ON THOSE THINGS DURING THE IDO AMENDMENT PROCESS THAT IS UNDERWAY. REALLY, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND FORWARD THINKING ON BOTH OF THESE THINGS. I HOPE YOU HAVE A GOOD EVENING. >> THANK YOU. MADAM PRESIDENT, CATHY AND ALAN ARE NOT FOUND IN ZOOM. THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS UNDER APPROVALS. I'M GOING TO START IT BECAUSE WE NEED TO TABLE IT SO THE CLERK CAN TALLY THE DECISION. OC-39 IS SELECTION OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE SECTED THE TOP CANDIDATES. WILLIAM HOFFMAN, JOSEPH THROWN BERRY AND GREGLY McCORMIC. ALL THREE CAN ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. I BELIEVE ALL ON ZOOM. COUNCIL RULES PROVIDED PROCEDURES FOR APPOINTMENT. AND WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THAT PROCEDURE THIS EVENING. BALLOTS ARE BEING DISTRIBUTED BY STAFF THAT LISTS ALL THREE CANDIDATES NAMES. COUNCILORS INDICATE ORDER WITH ONE, TWO, AND THREE FOR PREFERENCES. THEREFORE COMPLETING THE BALLOT, STAFF WILL TALLY THE RESULTS. WE'LL TABLE THE BILL WHILE THE VOTES ARE BEING TALLIED AND WHEN WE GET BACK FROM BREAK WE'LL UNTABLE IT AND ANNOUNCE WHO ENDED UP BEING SELECTED BY THE COUNCIL AS THE NEW INSPECTOR GENERAL. THE PERSON WITH THE LOWEST SCORE IS SELECTED. COUNCILORS, DID ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK TO ANY CANDIDATES ON ZOOM, OR ARE YOU SATISFIED? I KNOW EVERYBODY HAD MET WITH THEM AND INTERVIEWED. THANK YOU. TECHNICALLY SPEAKING, WHERE -- I MAKE -- I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AND WE HAVE TO TABLE IT. I SKIPPED THAT PART. WE JUST WENT TO THE VOTING. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. THERE'S MULTIPLE SECONDS. NOW I MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE. THAT WOULD BE COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILORS -- DID EVERYBODY TURN IN BALLOTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING OC-39, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL GO TO BREAK AND COME BACK AT 7:35. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE ARE BACK FROM OUR BREAK. THANK YOU, ALBUQUERQUE. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE ON OC-39. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE FROM THE TABLE. THERE'S A SECOND BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- THE OTHER COUNCILORS ARE ON THEIR WAY BACK. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF REMOVING FROM THE TABLE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND YES. THAT PASSES ON A 5-0 VOTE. COUNCILOR GROUT IS HERE. AND I KNOW THAT COUNCILOR LEWIS AND COUNCILOR ROGERS AND COUNCILOR BACA SHOULD BE JOINING US SHORTLY. IN REGARD TO THE OC-THIS IS THE SELECTION OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. PRIOR TO THE BREAK, WE WENT AHEAD AND SUBMITTED THE BALLOTS TO DETERMINE WHO WAS GOING TO BE SELECTED AS INSPECTOR GENERAL. THE ONE WITH THE LOWEST SCORE IS SELECTED BY COUNCIL. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MR. WILLIAM HOFFMAN. THERE'S A SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILORS, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING WILLIAM HOFFMAN AS NEW NECTAR -- INSPECTOR GENERAL. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 6-0 VOTE. WE'RE MOVING TO OC-41 APPOINTMENT OF TWOKENED -- CANDIDATES TO THE BOARD OF ETHICS. MR. HOFFMAN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. CONGRATULATIONS. I SEE YOU UP THERE. ON ZOOM. >> YES, I'M HERE. I THOUGHT I WOULD LINGER FOR A FEW MINUTES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M VERY HONORED TO ACCEPT THE POSITION. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU SOON. WE'RE MOVING TO APPOINTMENT OF CANDIDATES TO THE BOARD OF ETHICS. CLAYTON KING AND LEVI GREEN. BOTH INDIVIDUALS ARE AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS. SEEING THAT THERE ARE TWO VACANCIES AND TWO APPLICANTS FORWARDED. I MOVE CONFIRMATION OF MR. KING AND MR. GREEN. SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? COUNCILOR LEWIS AND COUNCILOR ROGERS ARE BACK. THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING OC-41 WITH CLAYTON KING AND LEVI GREEN RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE. THIS WAS ON OC-41. WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER. ADEO. I APOLOGIZE, SINCERELY, FOR SKIPPING OVER THAT. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. WELCOME BACK. I JUST REALLY WANT TO ECHO WHAT SOME OF THE PRESS HERE. THE INDEPENDENT PRESS TONIGHT WAS SAYING ABOUT HONORING THE OATH. I'M PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT LOYALTY TESTS TO ANY ONE PERSON. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT LOYALTY TESTS THAT VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTION. THAT THREATEN TO, YOU KNOW, OLIGARICHIZE. AND HOPE THE CANDIDATES MAKE AN OATH TO THE CONSTITUTION AND NEVER TO A MAN WHO CALLS HIMSELF KING IN AMERICA. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M SORRY THAT I SKIPPED OVER PRIOR TO OUR VOTE. COUNCILORS, WE'RE MOVING TO OC- -- HOLD ON. OC-40. SELECTION OF THE CITY AUDITOR. THIS WILL FOLLOW THE SAME STANDARDS AS THE SELECTION OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. STAFF IS -- THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE SELECTED THE TOP THREE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES IN RANK ORDER. ALL THREE CANDIDATES ARE AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS OR WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM. WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE BALLOTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE HANDED OUT FROM STAFF NOW. THE COUNCIL WITH RULES PROVIDE PROCEDURE FOR APPOINTMENTS MADE BY THE COUNCIL. WE'RE FOLLOWING THE PROCEDURE. THE BALLOTS DISTRIBUTED BY STAFF LIST THE THREE CANDIDATES. COUNCILORS ARE TO INDICATE ORDER OF PREFERENCE WITH ONE FOR FIRST PREFERENCE, TWO FOR SECOND AND THREE FOR THIRD PREFERENCE. AFTER COUNCILORS COMPLETE BALLOTS STAFF WILL TALLY THE RESULT. I BELIEVE ALL THREE CANDIDATES ARE HERE OR ON ZOOM FOR COMMENT OR QUESTIONS. BEFORE WE DO ANY KIND OF VOTING, COUNCILORS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK OR SAY ANYTHING TO THE CANDIDATES? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR -- I DON'T KNOW WHO ANSWERS THIS QUESTION. WE DO HAVE SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY WAS ON AN ACTING CAPACITY. WHAT HAPPENS AT THAT POINT IF SHE DOES NOT GET APPOINTED? DOES SHE GO BACK TO THE CAPACITY WITHIN HER REGULAR CITY JOB? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THAT'S CORRECT. SHE HAS BEEN IN AN ACTING CAPACITY FOR SOME TIME. SHE WOULD GO BACK TO HER PREVIOUS JOB, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS AN ASSISTANT TO THE AUDITOR. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I'M SORRY. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE COULD HEAR THAT. CAN YOU REPEAT THE POSITION? >> MS. VARGAS, STATE YOUR ORIGINAL ROLE. I KNOW YOU'RE INTERIM AUDITOR. >> MY ORIGINAL ROLE IS INTERNAL AUDIT MANAGER. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE GO AHEAD -- OH. PLEASE GO AHEAD AND SCORE FOR EITHER MARISA VARGAS, ABENET OR JOSEPH. AND RETURN YOUR BALLOT TO STAFF. I DID IT AGAIN. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OC-40. THERE'S A SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE OC-40. THERE'S A SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF TABLING OC-40 RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED? WE HAVE TABLED OC-40 SO STAFF CAN GO AHEAD AND VERIFY AND TALLY THE BALLOTS. MOVING ON TO -- MY PAGES GOT TWISTED. WE'RE MOVING TO LEASE BETWEEN CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND HEADING HOME. I MOVE APPROVAL. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING -- I'M SORRY. GOSH. OKAY. I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR INTERRUPTING AND MAKING SURE I'M ON THAT. LET'S GO TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JAMES TO SPEAK. >> GOOD EVENING. I JUST REALLY WANT TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT. I WAS A FORMER CLIENT OF HEADING HOME. I STAYED AT AOC FOR 90 DAYS. VERY IMPACTFUL AGENCY THAT IMPROVED MY LIFE TREMENDOUSLY. >> THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. . >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WHO IS CURRENTLY IN THE LOCATION? >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, WE HAVE GILBERT RAMIREZ THAT CAN CAN -- SPEAK TO THE CURRENT OCCUPANT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE HEADING HOME IS OCCUPYING THAT FROM A PREVIOUS CONTRACT THAT WENT INTO A MONTH TO MONTH DETAINER. NOW WE'RE SOLIDIFYING FOR JULY 1. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN IN THAT CONTRACT? >> I WILL HAVE TO GET YOU EXACT DATES. I'M ESTIMATING. BEFORE WE DECOMMISSIONED CORONADO PARK. THEY WERE PROVIDING SERVICES TO INDIVIDUALS THERE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE FACILITY WAS USED FOR? WAS IT ALWAYS A CITY BUILDING? >> MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE PREVIOUSLY IT WAS A LAW FIRM. AND THEN THE CITY ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY GIVEN THE LOCATION AND ISSUES WE HAD. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: DO WE KNOW WHEN WE ACQUIRED THAT PROPERTY? >> I'D HAVE TO GET YOU THE EXACT DATE. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T HAVE THAT AHEAD OF TIME. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'M THRILLED YOU BROUGHT THIS AND THEY'RE FOR JULY 1, YES? >> ASSUMING, YES. >>COUN. GROUT: WE'RE A COUPLE WEEKS AWAY FROM JULY 1. HOW LONG WILL IT BE EXECUTED? SIGNED AND DELIVERED. >> UPON COMPLETION, IT WOULD BE ALL SIGNATURES AND EFFECTIVE. >>COUN. GROUT: AWESOME. THAT'S THE WAY IMMEDIATE SHOULD WORK. WE DO THAT AND WITHIN A COUPLE WEEKS DONE. NOT FOREVER. I'M GLAD. THANK YOU. WE'LL BE FOLLOWING IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THE MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF EC-424. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES IF YOU APPROVE. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. COUNCILORS, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND REMOVE OC-40 FROM THE TABLE. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM A FEW COUNCILORS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF REMOVING OC-40 FROM THE TABLE RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES, 9-0. COUNCILORS, THE TALLIES ARE IN. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OC-40. WITH WITH MARISA VARGAS AS THE NEW CITY AUDITOR. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYBODY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. TO EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE AND FOR APPLYING. FOR THOSE OF YOU ONLINE AND ON ZOOM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. MOVING ON TO EC-425 APPROVING THREE SOCIAL SERVICE AGREEMENTS WITH HEADING HOME, NEW MEXICO COALITION TO END HOMELESSNESS AND SAFE HOUSE FOR SUPPORTIVE SERVICES. I MOVE APPROVAL. MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. MOTION IS FOR APPROVAL OF EC-425. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND -- OH. I'M NOT ON IT. I APOLOGIZE PROFUSELY. THANK YOU. PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE HAVE LISA AND JAMES. THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE DOING ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE OVERWORKED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I BELIEVE THAT THE SOCIAL SERVICES THAT WE HAVE -- SOME OF THEM ARE PHENOMENAL. THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT WORK OF OUR CITY. THIS IS FANTASTIC. YOU ALL HAVE IN THE TWO YEARS I'VE BEEN ATTENDING HAVE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF HOUSING AND SHELTER. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. HAVE YOU POSSIBLY CONSIDERED ON THE HEADING HOME JUST GIVING THEM THE BUILDING INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM PAY $10,000 IN RENT EVERY MONTH THAT COULD POSSIBLY GO TO HELP THE UNHOUSED? IN THE AGREEMENTS WERE IS THERE ANY OTHER WAY THE CITY COULD POSSIBLY HELP THEM WITH COST? THEY'RE DOING THE WORK FOR THE CITY. IS THERE AN IN KIND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO REDUCE RENT OR COST SO THEY CAN PROVIDE EVEN MORE SERVICES? THANK YOU, ALL, AGAIN. >> JAMES. >> HELLO, AGAIN. I REMEMBER WHEN CORONADO WAS -- IT WAS 2020 WHEN THEY MOVED INTO THE BUILDING. I COSIGN WITH WHAT LISA JUST SAID. JUST GIVE THEM THE BUILDING. THE AMOUNT OF WORK THEY DO. THEY ADMINISTER 150 HOUSING VOUCHERS. JUST GIVE THEM THE BUILDING INSTEAD OF CHARGING THEM $10,000 A MONTH IN RENT. I DON'T KNOW SAFE HOUSE, BUT I KNOW THE TWO AGENCIES. THEY'RE DIFFICULTLY DOING GOD'S WORK. I STRONGLY URGE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. THANKS TO EVERYONE FOR KEEPING ME ON POINT AND FOR YOUR PATIENCE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON EC-425. SEEING NONE AND KNOWING WE WENT TO COMMENT, LET'S VOTE ON MOVING APPROVAL OF EC-425. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. WE'RE ON TO FINAL ACTIONS. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. RA5. WE DO HAVE PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK FOR COMMENT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: RA-5 IS AMENDING ARTICLE TWO SECTION FOUR OF THE CITY COUNCIL RULE OF PROCEDURES REGARDING COMMITTEES OF THE COUNCIL. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN TO OPEN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS CAME ABOUT BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING IN THE RULES THAT ALLOWS A NON-MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE TO COME TO THE COMMITTEE TO PRESENT A BILL THAT THEY'RE SPONSORING. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WITHIN RULES SO IF YOU HAVE A BILL YOU DO GET TO ATTEND AND SPEAK IN FAVOR AND DO AN OPENING AND CLOSE AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BILL. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE'LL COME BACK IN CASE ANYTHING COMES UP. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE HAVE LISA FOLLOWED BY ADEO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, CITY COUNCILORS. AS SOMEONE WHO IS HERE ALWAYS COMPLAINING AND VERY SKEPTICAL OF GOVERNMENT, I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT ANY KIND OF A BILL THAT ADDS LAYERS OF TRANSPARENCY. I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I WATCHED YOUR COMMITTEES -- I'M ALWAYS PRESENT. I HAVE MY STUDENTS WATCH IT. THIS IS HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS. THIS IS HOW YOU WRITE. WE USE IT FOR ENGLISH. WE USE WHAT GOES ON, EVEN AFTER DAYS IN MY CLASSROOM. WE ENTRUST YOU WITH NOT ONLY OUR MONEY BUT OUR LIVES AND HOMES AND STREETS AND PARKS AND KIDS BEING OUT AND ABOUT. ANY LAYER OF TRANSPARENCY WE CAN HAVE, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WORKING WITH US. HAVE YOU NOTICED WE'RE BEHAVING OURSELVES? IT'S A GIVE-AND-TAKE. I'M NOT MAKE WE DON'T TRUST YOU ALL, BUT THERE'S SOME THAT HAVE A MAYOR POSITION THAT WE DON'T TRUST. THANK YOU. >> ADEO FOLLOWED BY TAD, BUT I DON'T THINK TAD IS PRESENT. ADEO PLEASE. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. MEMBERS, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT EFFORT TO ININCREASE TRANSPARENCY TO GET BETTER ARGUMENTS AND DEBATE FOR OUR BILLS. I WANT TO TAKE A SMALL MOMENT TO THANK COUNCILOR BASSAN FOR INVITING THE PUBLIC TO MORE OF OUR COMMITTEE MEETINGS. THESE ARE IMPORTANT. THESE ARE WHERE THINGS GET DONE. IF YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THEM YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE WHOLE PICTURE. I ALSO WANTED TO SPEAK TO COUNCILOR LEWIS. COUNCILOR LEWIS, HOW DID YOU ENJOY THE RANK CHOICE VOTING? BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS HOPEFULLY AN INTUITIVE EXPERIENCE. AND THAT INTUITIVE EXPERIENCE MIGHT BE ENJOYED BY MORE OF ALBUQUERQUE TO STRENGTHEN OUR ELECTIONS AND HELP MODERNIZE A LITTLE BIT. I'M A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT COMMUNITY MEMBER WHO SPOKE EARLIER ANAMI. I HOPE WE CAN ALL DO BETTER FOR HER. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ON THE SURFACE, I THOUGHT THIS WAS GREAT AND FINE. I'M REALLY KIND OF ALMOST NEUTRAL. BUT THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT, AND THERE'S NO DISRESPECT TO THE INTENT OF THIS OR TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT OR ANYTHING, BUT I SAID IT BEFORE. I KNOW I SAID IT TO MANY OF YOU PRIVATELY AND I SAID IT ON THE RECORD, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN, LET'S JUST GET RID OF COMMITTEES. I CAN'T STAND THEM. IF WE WANT TO START SHOWING UP TO COMMITTEES TO INTRODUCE OUR BILLS OR CLOSE OUR BILLS OR PARTICIPATE IN THE COMMITTEE, I THINK THAT KIND OF GOES AGAINST WHAT THE COMMITTEE WAS DESIGNED TO DO. IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FIVE TO NINE OF US AT ANY COMMITTEE MEETING, WHETHER THEY HAVE VOTING RIGHTS OR NOT, I JUST FEEL LIKE -- AND THE PUBLIC -- LET'S GET RID OF COMMITTEE AND HAVE COUNCIL ONCE A WEEK INSTEAD OF COMMITTEE EVERY OTHER WEEK AND COUNSEL EVERY OTHER WEEK. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME THAN US SOMETIMES SHOWING UP OR NOT. I DON'T WANT TO LOOK LAZY IF I DON'T SHOW UP TO TALK ABOUT MY BILL, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT I'M NOT TRYING TO DO. SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A NO-BRAINER IT SHOULD BE FINE. IF I DON'T SHOW UP IT LOOKS LIKE I'M ROLLING WITH IT, AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE WRONG APPEARANCE. EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT THE INTENTION. FOR THOSE REASONS, I DON'T SUPPORT THIS, EVEN IF THE INTENTION IS GO. I HOPE IF ONE OF US SHOWS UP AT THE MEETING, THAT CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE CHOOSES TO DO THAT NOT BECAUSE IT'S BY A RULE. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN TO CLOSE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WHERE FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT IF I'M SPONSORING A BILL I HAVE A RIGHT TO PRESENT THAT BILL AND BE PRESENT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ANY TIME IT'S BEING CONSIDERED BY MY FELLOW COUNCILORS. SO, THE SYSTEM WE HAVE DOES NOT GUARANTEE THAT RIGHT. AND I WOULD BE FINE IF THERE WAS A PROPOSE TO GET RID OF COMMITTEES, BUT WE TO -- WE DO NOT HAVE THAT BEFORE US. I FEEL IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY WHEN I SPONSOR A BILL TO ATTEND AND ANSWER QUESTIONS AND DO AN OPENING AND CLOSE. I'M NOT ASKING FOR THE RIGHT TO VOTE ON A COMMITTEE I'M NOT ON, OBVIOUSLY. BUT EVERY LEGISLATIVE BODY THAT I'VE BEEN A PART OF, INCLUDING STATE LEGISLATURE, OTHER CITY COUNCILS THAT I'VE SPOKEN BEFORE AND WORKED WITH, THE SPONSOR OF THE BILL HAS THE RIGHT TO BE PRESENT AND ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR OWN LEGISLATION. SO, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR WITH WITH THIS. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A CLOSE. WE CLOSED ON RA-5. THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NO. THAT FAILS ON A 2-7 VOTE. COUNCILORS, WE'RE MOVING TO COUNCILOR GROUT BY REQUEST. R-168. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. AMENDING THE ADOPTED CAPITAL IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM AT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE BY APPROVING THE PROJECTS WITH AND SUPPLEMENTING CURRENT APPROPRIATIONS AND CHANGING THE SCOPE OF EXISTING PROJECTS. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION AND SECOND BY MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. I SEE WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENTER. I DON'T SEE HIM HERE. I'M GOING TO MOVE FROM THAT. I DO KNOW THERE ARE SOME AMENDMENTS. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: JUST A COUPLE. I'D LIKE TO OFFER FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. IT IS ON PAGE THREE, LINE 32, WHICH IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT BY $300,000 PAGE THREE, AFTER LINE 32 INSERT THE FOLLOWING HILLS, BRENTWOOD HILLS PARK, 75K. ON PAGE FOUR AFTER LINE TWO INSERT THE FOLLOWING. MANZANO MESA PARK SECURITY INTERESTS. $150,000. THE EXPLANATION FOR THIS AMENDMENT REDUCES THE APPROPRIATIONS FROM THE BALLOON FIESTA PARK BY $300,000. INCREASING THE APPROPRIATION FOR THE PARKS THAT INCLUDES APPROPRIATIONS FOR MONZANO MESA PARK SECURITY. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION. I'LL GIVE IT A SECOND. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR GROUT DID GIVE ME A CALL TODAY TO DISCUSS THIS. AND INDICATED SHE'S ALSO TALKS TO PARKS AND RECREATION ON THIS AS WELL. I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO FINISH PROJECTS WHILE ALSO MAKING SURE THE ADMINISTRATION IS ON BOARD. YOU ALL CAN THROW ME MONEY NEXT YEAR SO I CAN FINISH MINE. APPARENTLY I'M DELIRIERIOUS TODAY. ANY COMMENTS? COUNCILOR GROUT TO CLOSE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION FOR AMENDMENT ONE. THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. COUNCILOR GROUT, AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. >>COUN. GROUT: ON PAGE THREE AFTER LINE THREE INSORT $500,000 SHALL ME SET ASIDE FOR THE EUBANK MULTIUSE TRAIL IN DISTRICT NINE. THIS AMENDMENT SETS ASIDE $500,000 IN COUNCIL DISTRICT NINE TRAIL PROJECT FROM JUAN TABO TO EUBANK. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR GROUT TO CLOSE. >>COUN. GROUT: I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION IS FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO TO R-168. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON AN 8-1 VOTE. COUNCILORS, WE'RE BACK ON R-168 AS AMENDED. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR OTHER AMENDMENTS ? THAT BEING SAID, COUNCILOR GROUT TO CLOSE. >>COUN. GROUT: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MOTION IS FOR DO PASS AS AMENDED. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 9-0 VOTE. MOVING TO OTHER BUSINESS. EC-418, LINE ITEM VETO OF COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE R-125-132 FOR OPERATING FUNDS OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE FISCAL YEAR 2026. ADJUSTING FISCAL YEAR 2025 APPROPRIATION AND APPROPRIATING CAPITAL FUNDS. IF THE COUNCIL WISHES TO ATTEMPT OVERRIDE THEY MAY MAKE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE. IF NO MOTION IS MADE OR IF A SECOND IS NOT RECEIVED THE VETO STANDS. IF A MOTION IS MADE, SECOND RECEIVED BUT SIX VOTES ARE NOT OBTAINED, THE VETO STANDS. IS THERE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE LINE ITEM VETO NUMBER ONE OFFICE OF PERMITTING LANGUAGE? >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE OVERRIDE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL? COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE JUST PASSED A RESOLUTION TONIGHT THAT WAS ON CONSENT THAT DIRECTS THE BUDGETED MONEY TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND AGREED UPON BY THIS COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON THAT AS WELL. IN THE BUDGET, WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE A GOOD AMOUNT OF DOLLARS OF BUDGETED DOLLARS TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH SOME DIRECTION. AND SOME DIRECTION TO HAVE PEOPLE WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT THAT REALLY OWN THE EFFICIENCY OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS. THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, WHICH WE DO NEED TO AMEND AT SOME POINT, AND I THINK WE CAN DO THAT IN AUGUST WHEN WE COME BACK, JUST TO REFLECT THE RESOLUTION OF WHAT WE DID TONIGHT. AND BY SIMPLY CHANGING SOME LANGUAGE IT TO REFLECT IT BETTER. I THINK THERE'S A MISUNDERSTANDING REGARDING -- THE MAYOR'S VETO IT DESCRIBED A REASON FOR ELIMINATING THAT LANGUAGE WAS BECAUSE OF A CONFLICT WITH THE STATE OFFICE AND THAT'S JUST SIMPLY NOT THE CASE. EVEN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE I DON'T BELIEVE AND CERTAINLY OUR ATTORNEY WHO HELPED US CRAFT THAT AND DRAFT THAT DID NOT BELIEVE THAT IT WAS IN CONFLICT AT ALL. SO, I DON'T WANT TO LET THIS STATEMENT STAND JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT'S INCORRECT. IT'S NOT A TRUE ASSESSMENT OF THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE. WITH WHAT WE SIMPLY NEED TO DO IS JUST COME BACK BECAUSE WE APPROVED THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT, JUST COME BACK WITH A QUICK BUDGET AMENDMENT ON CHANGING SOME OF THE LANGUAGE TO REFLECT THE RESOLUTION. MR. MORROW, IS THAT ACCURATE AS FAR AS A PROCESS THAT WE COULD GO THROUGH IN THAT REGARD? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I BELIEVE WITH YOUR DIRECTION WE'D BE ABLE TO INTRODUCE A RESOLUTION TO CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS VETOED IN THIS LINE ITEM. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MOTION IS TO OVERRIDE LINE ITEM VETO NUMBER ONE OFFICE OF PERMITTING LANGUAGE. A VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS WILL OVERRIDE THE MAYOR'S VETO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF OVERRIDING SAY YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? I THINK THAT FAILS. 5-4. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THIS -- WE'RE VOTING ON EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE OR ALL TOGETHER? >>COUN. BASSAN: WE'RE VOTING ON EACH LINE ITEM INDIVIDUALLY BECAUSE IT WAS A LINE ITEM VETO. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. >>COUN. BASSAN: WAS THAT 5-4? THAT OVERRIDE FAILS. THANK YOU. IS THERE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE LINE ITEM VETO NUMBER TWO CONDITION ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDING. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, FOR THE RECORD. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: MOTION TO OVERRIDE VETO NUMBER TWO. >>COUN. BASSAN: SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. THIS IS CONDITION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. LINES 22-23. SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I JUST WANT TO ASK THE COUNCIL SERVICES STAFF, DID THIS AMENDMENT CUT FUNDING FROM NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, NO, IT DID NOT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. ANOTHER QUESTION. DOES THE CITY HAVE A MULTIYEAR CONTRACT WITH AREA ON AWARDED RFP? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS A CONTRACT FOR UP TO $1 MILLION WITH AREA FROM JULY 2024 THROUGH JUNE 2029 WITH AN ANNUAL AMOUNT OF UP TO $200,000. THIS CONTRACT DOES HAVE AN APPROPRIATIONS CLAUSE THAT SAYS THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT ARE CONTINGENT UPON THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE MAKING APPROPRIATIONS NECESSARY FOR THE PERFORMANCE OF THIS AGREEMENT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. WAS AREA INCLUDED ON THE NONRECURRING LIST FOR THIS BUDGET? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, NO IT WAS NOT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WERE THE GROUPS WE MENTIONED LIKE THE INDIAN PUEBLO CULTURAL CENTER ON THE NONRECURRING LIST THIS YEAR? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, NO, THEY WERE NOT NAMED IN THE NONCONCURRING LIST. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. HOW DOES THE ADMINISTRATION DECIDE WHICH NONPROFITS GET FUNDED UNDER THIS PROGRAM? >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I'M NOT SURE WHICH PROGRAM YOU'RE REFERENCING. THE CONTRACT FOR AREA WAS AN RFP RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SPECIFIC PROMOTION OF THE ALBUQUERQUE AREA. THEY WON THAT RFP. THIS LANGUAGE THAT IS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THIS IS RELATED TO ONE SPECIFIC LINE IN THE NON-RECURRING LIST THAT WAS CUT FOR $53,000 THAT WAS -- I'M SORRY. MAYBE 50. BUT IT WAS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO ADVERTISEMENT PROMOTION AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE ALBUQUERQUE AREA. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SO, THIS DOESN'T CUT FUNDING TO ANYONE IT JUST FOLLOWED THROUGH ON A CONTRACT WE ALREADY AGREED TO. AREA WASN'T ON THE NONRECURRING LIST WE GOT. IT'S NOT COUNCIL PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS IT'S US HONORING THE COMMITMENT THAT ADMINISTRATION MADE. THAT'S BASICALLY THE GIST OF THIS. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR, I'LL COME BACK FOR A CLOSE. I JUST WANT TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION AS WELL. BECAUSE THERE'S CONTRACTS INVOLVED -- BECAUSE THERE'S FUNDING CUT FROM AREA, FROM WHAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING, IS AREA GOING TO BE MADE WHOLE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE CONTRACT BEFORE ANY OTHER NEGOTIATIONS MAY BEGIN? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THE LINE ITEM VETO LANGUAGE SPECIFICALLY SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET IS WITHIN THE BUDGET. WHEN WE LOOKED HOW WE ACCOMMODATE THE DIRECTION OF $250,000 WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS THAT WERE IN THE NON-RECURRING LINE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AVAILABLE FUNDING WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT WITH THAT LANGUAGE THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC. THAT GOOD PORTION OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT'S FUNDING GOES INTO INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTS WITH NON-PROFITS. AND STAFFING. SO, WE HAVE SITUATION IN WHICH WE WOULD EITHER LAYING SOMEONE OFF FROM A POSITION OR USING THAT FUNDING FROM A POSITION OR CONTRACTS WE HAVE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT EITHER IT'S GOING TO BE MONEY GOING TO AREA OR MONEY GOING TO THE NONPROFITS LISTED IN THE VETO MESSAGE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, IT IS -- THEY'RE ALL NONPROFIT AREAS AS WELL. IT IS DISTRIBUTING THE FUNDING FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AMONG THE NONPROFITS WE HAVE CURRENTLY PLANNED TO HAVE CONTRACTS WITH. WE'RE LIMITED WITHIN THE BUDGET WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: DIDN'T WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE FULL AMOUNT TO MAKE WHOLE? >> AS MENTIONED BY COUNCIL SERVICES STAFF, THAT CONSTRUCT DOES SAY IT'S RELATED -- WE ALWAYS HAVE THE APPROPRIATION LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWS US TO AMEND CONTRACTS WHETHER IT'S AREA OR ANY OTHER CONTRACTS THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONTRACTS WITH FOR SERVICES RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. SO, I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS. I DON'T KNOW -- BUT I JUST DO FEEL LIKE I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SLEEP IF I DIDN'T ASK. IS THERE A TRAVEL BUDGET FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IF I HAD HAD THE BUDGET FRONT OF ME. DEPARTMENTS DO SOMETIMES HAVE TRAVEL BUDGETS. I DON'T THINK IT'S A $50,000 TRAVEL BUDGET. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. I HAD TO ASK. AT THE SAME TIME, I GUESS MY CONCERN IS WHAT I REMEMBER US PUTTING IN THE BUDGET WAS SPECIFICALLY SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE TO PAY AREA. WE DIDN'T SAY WHAT HAD TO BE CUT OR WHAT DIDN'T OR MAYBE WE COULDN'T LOWER THE DOLLAR AMOUNT ACROSS THE BOARD FOR MANY PEOPLE, IF WE NEEDED TO. THE MESSAGE DID INDICATE THAT THE COUNCIL IS PITTING THE NONPROFITS AGAINST EACH OTHER. THE COUNCIL JUST SAID WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE AREA CONTRACT IS MADE WHOLE. I THINK IT'S UNFAIR THAT IT'S MADE TO SEEM THAT BY EITHER OVERRIDING THE VETO OR SUSTAINING THIS VETO THE COUNCIL IS PRIORITIZING ONE NONPROFIT OVER THE OTHER WHEN THE COUNCIL WASN'T DOING THAT, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WHEN WITH WE PROVED THIS. IT IS A STRUGGLE TO ME. I WAS TOLD EARLIER TODAY THAT AREAS CONTRACT WOULD BE MADE WHOLE AND THERE WOULD BE A WAY FOUND TO DO THIS. IT'S CONCERNING TO HEAR, NO, IT'S GOING TO BE RENEGOTIATION AND ALL OF THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE. IF I'M INCORRECT, PLEASE CLARIFY. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, MY STATEMENT OPTION OF RENEGOTIATING IS SIMPLY TO REMIND US WE HAVE THAT OPTION. WHETHER IT'S AREA CONTRACTS OR OTHER CONTRACTS. IT'S NOT JUST NONPROFITS. I THINK THE LANGUAGE AS IT IS WRITTEN INTO THE BUDGET AND WHERE IT'S WRITTEN IS IT COMES FROM THE AREA CONTRACT SHALL COME FROM THAT. THAT IS THE IMPACT WE HAVE WITHIN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUDGET. I BELIEVE THAT WE ALL BELIEVE IN THE AREA AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND WHAT THEIR CONTRACT DOES FOR THE CITY. WE IS HAVE GOAL OF KEEPING ALL OF THESE NONPROFITS WHOLE, BUT WE HAD A LIMITATION IN OUR BUDGET. WE'LL WITH WORK THE BEST WE CAN, BUT THE REALITY IS THE FUNDING HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE WHICH MEANS WE HAVE TO NOT DO SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO FACILITATE THIS IN THE WAY IT WAS IN THE BUDGET. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ TO CLOSE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. CAN COUNCIL SERVICES TELL US WHAT THE VOTE WAS WHEN WE OFM -- ACTUALLY APPROVED THIS? I'M ALMOST THINKING IT WAS UNANIMOUS. WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT, LET'S NOT FORGET THIS IS A BUDGET THAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE AND EVERYBODY THAT LIVES IN ALBUQUERQUE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. WE ALL KNOW WHAT AREA DOES TO HELP US OUT. ALSO, WE'RE DEALING WITH THE $1.5 BILLION BUDGET AND ALL WE MESSED WAS IN CITY COUNCIL WAS 1% OF THAT. I JUST CAN'T SEE THE LOGIC THE CITY COMES UP AND THE ADMINISTRATION TO DEAL WITH THIS SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THEN WE ALREADY HEARD ALSO THAT THESE GROUPS WEREN'T LISTED PRIOR TO THE VOTE. SO, WITH THAT, I JUST URGE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALL RIGHT. WAS THAT YOUR CLOSE? I KNOW YOU HAD A QUESTION ON THE TABLE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: LET'S SEE. CAN YOU FIND IT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WE HAD ONE EXCUSED COUNCILOR. IT PASSED WITH 8. >>COUN. BASSAN: THAT'S FOR THE WHOLE BUDGET? >> THAT'S FOR THE SPECIFIC AMENDMENT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: THE MOTION IS FOR AN OVERRIDE OF LINE ITEM VETO NUMBER TWO. COUNCILORS, I'M REMINDING THOSE WHO SAY YES MAKING THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE OVERRIDE, THOSE WHO VOTE NO MOTION TO SUSTAIN THE VETO. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES IF YOU LIKE TO OVERRIDE. THOSE OPPOSED? THAT FAILS ON A 5-4. IS THERE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE LINE ITEM VETO NUMBER THREE, PAGE 8, LINE 26? YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION IF YOU LIKE COUNCILOR. WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I MAKE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE ITEM NUMBER THREE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE'S A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. -- COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, YOUR QUESTION. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MY ONLY QUESTION IS IT STATES IN THE MAYOR'S JUSTIFICATION THEY MAY NOT COME TO ALBUQUERQUE IN FY26. WHAT IS THE MOTIVATION BEHIND MAY NOT? IS THERE AN EXPLANATION? >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM CAO. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, DIRECTOR SIMON IS HERE. PARKS AND REC HAS A RELATIONSHIP ON THIS AND HE HAD UPDATED INFORMATION FROM THEM. >>COUN. BASSAN: GOOD EVENING, DIRECTOR. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. WE DID HAVE A SERIES OF USA CHAMPIONSHIPS WE'RE HAPPY TO HOST. WE'RE NOT ON THE DOCKET TO HOST THE CHAMPIONSHIP IN THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, IF WE KNEW THIS, WHY WAS IT PUT IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, I THINK IT WAS A LABELLING ISSUE OVER THIS RECURRING -- NONREDURING AMOUNT THAT HAD BEEN ADDED TO THE BUDGET. IT WAS A TITLING AND LABELLING ISSUE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: IS THE MAY NOT ABSOLUTE? WHAT IF THEY DO SHOW UP? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, THESE ARE THE FUNDS THAT COUNCIL HAS GRACIOUSLY APPROPRIATED SEVERAL YEARS RUNNING THAT ALLOW US TO SUPPORT THESE EVENTS WHEN THEY COME TO ALLOW US TO PROMOTE PROFESSIONAL AND AMATEUR SPORTING EVENTS. IF THEY DID COME AND WE HAD THE FUNDS AVAILABLE, WE WOULD SUPPORT THAT. ABSOLUTELY. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. MADAM PRESIDENT, I STILL AM UNCLEAR. IF THEY MAY NOT OR MAY, YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE NOT. DO WE HAVE A DEFINITIVE YES OR NO IF THEY'RE COMING? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, WE'RE NOT SCHEDULED TO HOST THE USA CYCLING CHAMPIONSHIP THIS YEAR. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. A BUNCH OF CONFUSION OF WHY WE PUT IT IN THE BUDGET. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, IT WAS THE TITLE OF THE APPROPRIATION. IT'S GENERAL USED FOR A DIVERSE ACTIVITY TO SUPPORT PRO-AM SUPPORTING EVENTS. I THINK THAT ONE THINK BECAME THE LEAD NAME. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE INTENTION. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I SERVE ON THAT VISIT ALBUQUERQUE BOARD. TYPICALLY, WHEN THEY HAVE DIFFERENT EMPLOYEES THAT GO OUT LOOKING FOR EVENTS TO BRING TO ALBUQUERQUE. THE SUPPORTING -- IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY -- WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE IT THIS YEAR. THIS CALENDAR YEAR. IT WITH IRKS WITH THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. USUALLY, THEY PLAN THESE WELL IN ADVANCE. SO, FOR -- IT MIGHT COME BACK IN 2027. RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE HERE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR GROUT. IT ADDS TO MY CONFUSION IF WE KNEW ABOUT THIS IN ADVANCE, WHY WAS IT PUT IN THE BUDGET IN THE FIRST PLACE? IF WE KNEW ABOUT IT BEFOREHAND. IT'S ODD. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCILOR GROUT? COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT. IF THIS VETO STANDS, WHERE DOES THE MONEY GO? MR. MORROW? ANYBODY. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, THE TRANSFER STAYS. THE MONEY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR THE CYCLING CHAMPIONSHIP STILL REMAINS WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. IT IS LODGERS TAX FUNDING. THEY'RE REQUIRED TO USE IT FOR TOURISM RELATED ACTIVITIES. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, IF WE OVERRIDE THIS, WHERE DOES THE MONEY GO? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, IF YOU WERE TO OVERRIDE THE VETO IT STAYS AS PUT, IT STILL HAS TO GO TO THE CYCLING MASTER'S CHIP UNLESS THE COUNCIL BROUGHT FORTH A RESOLUTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: EITHER WAY, WE COULD BRING FORTH A RESOLUTION AND ALLOCATE THESE DOLLARS? OR IS IT IF WE OVERRIDE IT, WE HAVE MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOCATE THE DOLLARS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, EITHER WAY. AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL, THE COUNCIL WITH WILL HE TO REAPPROPRIATE THE FUNDS AND DEDICATE THEM TO A SPECIFIC PROGRAM. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT WE MIGHT AS WELL OVERRIDE THESE. IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE -- IT WOULD SHARE A REASON FOR -- IT WOULD PRESENT THE REASON FOR US COMING BACK AND APPROPRIATING THE DOLLARS WHERE THEY SHOULD GO, WHICH IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A COUNCIL, RATHER THAN LETTING THIS MONEY GET DISSOLVED WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. THAT'S TRUE FOR ALL OF THESE. EXCEPT FOR THE FIRST ONE. THAT MONEY IS GOING THEY'RE ANYWAY. EITHER WAY. ON THESE ONES, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS COMES BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOCATE THESE DOLLARS. IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD BEST DO THAT BY SIMPLY OVERRIDING THESE VETOES SPECIFICALLY THIS ONE AND MANY OTHERS. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR CHAMPINE TO CLOSE. I'M SORRY. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IN THE MAYOR'S MEMO HE SAID HE WANTS TO REALLOCATE IT TO ROUTE 66 CENTENNIAL. WOULD THAT MEANS WE CHANGE DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE IT'S IN PARKS AND REC. WHAT DEPARTMENT IS THIS MONEY HOUSED? I THOUGHT IT WAS HOUSED IN PARKS AND REC? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU, COUNCILOR ROGERS. I JUST WANTED TO -- ONE CORRECTION. THE DOLLARS DO NOT GO INTO PARKS AND REC. THEY'RE NOT ALLOCATED HERE. IT SPECIFICALLY STATES IT'S A TRANSFER FROM LODGERS TACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. THAT BALANCE WOULD SIT AVAILABLE FOR AN APPROPRIATION. REMEMBER, BECAUSE THEY'RE LODGERS TAX DOLLARS IT'S FOR TOURISM PURPOSES. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. SO, WE'RE SAYING ROUTE 66 CENTENNIAL IS FOR TOURIST REASONS? THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT. THAT PROVES MY POINT. IT'S JUST GOING TO GO BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND. IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ALLOCATE THOSE DOLLARS ANYWAY. IT MAKES SENSE TO OVERRIDE THESE AND THEN LET'S COME BACK AND ALLOCATE IT. THANKS. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE TO CLOSE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, AGAIN, IF YOU VOTE YES YOU'RE AGREEING WITH AN OVERRIDE OF LINE ITEM VETO NUMBER THREE. IF YOU VOTE NO YOU'RE AGREEING WITH THE SUSTAINING LINE ITEM VETO NUMBER THREE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF OVERRIDE RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THOSE OPPOSED. THAT PASSES ON A 6-3. WE'RE MOVING TO THE FINAL ONE. IS THERE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE BANDS OF ENCHANTMENT FUNDING. PAGE 8, LINE 27. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I MAKE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE. >>COUN. BASSAN: SECOND BY COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THIS IS STATED THAT THERE WAS -- BASED OFF OF ANTI-DONATION CLAUSE WITH WITH CITY ORDINANCE AND CITY CHARTER. I ASK OUR STAFF AND COUNSEL TO ADDRESS THESE THREE ISSUES. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. MORROW. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, AS MENTIONED, THREE DISTINCT ISSUES HAVE A COUPLE DIFFERENT ISSUES. THE PRIMARY CONCERN IS REGARDING WHETHER THIS CONSTITUTES ANTI-DONATION. IT DEPENDS ON THE NATURE OF THE SERVICES PROVIDED BY THE CITY. THE CONTRIBUTION TO PRIVATE ENTITIES WITHOUT SERVICES PROVIDED IN RETURN. MY UNDERSTANDING IS BANDS OF ENCHANTMENT PROVIDES AT LEAST SOME PUBLIC BENEFIT AND IT USES PUBLIC FACILITY FOR THE NATURE OF WHAT THOSE SERVICES PROVIDE WOULD REALLY NEED TO BE ANALYZED SPECIFICALLY. REGARDING THE PROCUREMENT, ALLEGED VIOLATIONS, IT HINGES ON THE NATURE OF THE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES PROVIDED. WE DISCUSSED SOME OF THE SERVICES PROVIDED COULD BE RELATED TO ACQUIRING MUSICIANS FOR PROVIDING ADVERTISING WHICH ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE PROCUREMENT CODE AND WOULD NOT REQUIRE COMPETITIVE METHODOLOGY. THE ANSWER AS TO WHETHER IT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE SEPARATION OF POWERS, AGAIN, DEPENDS ON HOW THE ACTUAL CONTRACT WAS EXECUTED. I THINK THERE'S SOME CONSIDERATION AS TO WHETHER THE FINAL CONTRACT WOULD ACTUALLY BE EXECUTED BY THE ADMINISTRATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I THINK THAT ADDRESSES THE ISSUE PUT FORTH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PROGRAM THAT AIRS ON PBS AND PARTNERS WITH THE CITY FOR THE LAST FOUR SEASONS OF THIS PROGRAM. I DON'T THINK IT VIOLATES ANTI-DONATION CLAUSE BECAUSE THERE'S OFTEN EXCEPTIONS FOR PUBLIC EVENTS. TAKING FREEDOM 4th WHEN YOU HAVE HEADLINERS THAT ARE PAID. AGAIN, WE TALK ABOUT ALL THESE DIFFERENT EVENTS PUT ON TAT THE MONEY GOES TO DIRECTLY. THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS ECPRESSED IN SECTION 5-5-20. IT HAS 31 EXPRESSED EXEMPTIONS THAT CAN APPLY TO THIS. AFTER DISCUSSIONS EARLIER TODAY AND TRYING TO READ THROUGH THIS, COUNCIL APPROVE WAS BUDGET BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT UP ON SEPARATION OF POWERS. IF THIS COUNCIL APPROVES BUDGET AND SAYING WE'RE DIRECTING OR WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE CONTROL OF THIS CONTRACT WHEN IT REALLY IS NOT WHAT IT IS. WE APPROPRIATE MONEY. THE ADMINISTRATION COMES FORTH AND WORKS OUT THE NEGOTIATION BUT THE CONTRACT STAYS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF MAKING SURE WE DON'T VIOLATE ANY LAWS OF ANTI-DONATION. SO, I THINK WE'VE ANSWERED THE CONCERNS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO COMMENTS FROM COUNCILORS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MS. KEEFE. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. I THINK WE HAVE ANSWERED THE CONCERNS. I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE THINGS. BOTH BASED ON THE STAFF WRITE UP, WHICH I THINK I HAD SOME MISLEADING STATEMENTS TONIGHT. THE CITY CAN'T GIVE MONEY TO A PRIVATE ENTITY, EVEN IF IT REALLY LIKES THE EVENT THAT IT'S HOLDING OR EVEN IF IT THINKS THE EVENT HAS A PUBLIC BENEFIT. A LOT OF EVENTS HAVE A PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT ARE GOOD FOR THE CITY. YOU CAN'T GIVE MONEY ON THAT GROUND. SOME OF THE EVENTS THAT PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT ARE CITY EVENTS. THE CITY CAN HOLD AN EVENT AND SPEND MONEY ON AN EVENT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN ALSO GIVE MONEY TO SOMEONE HOLDING AN EVENT. WHAT WE DO ROUTINELY ARE SPONSORSHIPS. SPONSORSHIPS, AS WAS SAID, WE SPONSOR FOR CONSIDERATION. PUBLICITY FOR THE CITY ITSELF. THAT'S HOW THOSE CONTRACTS SATISFY THE ANTI-DONATION CLAUSE BY BEING THAT THE CITY HAS CONSIDERATION. I THINK THE CONCERN WAS THERE WAS A LARGE INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT. WE NEGOTIATED FOR YEARS OVER THE AMOUNT OF CONSIDERATION. ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S A LARGER AMOUNT AND THERE'S NO EXPLANATION AS TO WHAT CONSIDERATION THE CITY WOULD GET. AFTER HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS, I THINK WE CAN PROCEED FORWARD. ALL WE'RE DOING IS ALLOCATING FUNDING. AND TRY TO WORK OUT A DEAL THAT WILL ENSURE THAT ANY CONTRACT THAT IS NEGOTIATED WILL BE WITHIN THE TERMS OF THE ANTI-DONATION CLAUSE. I FELT I NEEDED TO CLEAR THAT UP BECAUSE I FELT THERE WAS CONFUSING STATEMENTS. AND IN TERMS OF SEPARATION OF POWERS, MY MAIN CONCERN WAS THE MONEY FOR THIS PROJECT WAS INCLUDED IN AND ALLOCATED TO CITY COUNCIL BUDGET. IT WAS SUGGESTED CITY COUNCIL WAS GOING TO MANAGE THIS PROGRAM OR CONTRACT. THAT IS SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSING. >>COUN. BASSAN: REAL QUICK, BEFORE I MOVE ON. WHERE TALKED TO MS. KEEFE TODAY. I TALKED TO STAFF. A COUPLE COUNCILORS. IT SOUNDS LIKE -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE MY COMMENTS ARE VERY CLEAR BEFORE I PROCEEDED WITH MY VOTE. THE FUNDS ARE CURRENTLY APPROPRIATED TO COUNCIL SERVICES. CORRECT? I'M SEEING NODS. THE ADMINISTRATION, ESSENTIALLY, IN THIS BUDGET HAS BEEN DIRECTED TO CREATE A CONTRACT WITH BANDS OF ENCHANTMENT? OR IS THAT NOT CORRECT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I WOULD SAY THAT'S NOT CORRECT. IT'S ALLOCATED TO CITY COUNCIL. THAT IS NOT A DIRECTION TO THE ADMINISTRATION TO DO ANYTHING. >>COUN. BASSAN: DOES OUR COUNCIL STAFF HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR CHANGE? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, THAT'S CORRECT. CURRENTLY, IT IS ALLOCATED TO CITY COUNCIL. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. SO, FUNDS ARE IN COUNCIL BUDGET, AND COME AUGUST OR WHENEVER, SHOULD THIS GET OVERRIDDEN, THEN COUNCIL NEEDS TO COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION DIRECTING ADMINISTRATION TO CREATE A CONTRACT WITH BANDS OF ENCHANTMENT FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DOLLARS? >> YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: IS THAT CORRECT FROM COUNCIL SIDE? >> CORRECT. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. SO, THEN, AT THAT POINT, WITH WHAT BANDS OF ENCHANTMENT OFFERS AND THEY ARE WHO THEY ARE, THEY'RE EXEMPT FROM RFP PROCESS? >> THAT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT'S NEGOTIATED. I THINK THE CONCERN THE MAYOR IS RAISING IS RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS LIKE $580,000 AND WE REALLY CAN'T HAND OVER $580,000 WITHOUT GOING THROUGH AN RFP. IT DEPENDS WHAT'S NEGOTIATED. I DID HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE PROPOSAL THAT PAY THE BANDS BECAUSE THAT GETS INTO ANTI-DONATION. JUST PAYING FOR TALENT AT EVENT IS GIVING A DONATION TO AN EVENT. BUT IF THE ADMINISTRATION IS ABLE TO WITH WORK OUT THE CONTRACT OR PROGRAM, WE MAY HAVE A WAY TO ENSURE IT IS PROPERLY PROCURED. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. MR. MORROW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. WHERE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HEARS THIS CONVERSATION. MR. MORROW, MS. BRADLEY, IN THE CONVERSATION WE HAD WE DISCUSSED IT'S ADVERTISING OR TOURISM. HOWEVER THE HAIRS ARE GOING TO BE SPLIT, IT'S ALL DEPENDENT ON THE CONTRACT. HOW DO WE ENSURE WITHOUT VIOLATING THE SEPARATION OF POWERS AND WITHOUT VIOLATING THE RFP PROCESS, THAT'S BOTH THINGS. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE DO BOTH NOT ONE OR THE OTHER. THAT'S THE RISK I SEE US POTENTIALLY TAKING. HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THE CONTRACT IS CREATED BY THE ADMINISTRATION WITHOUT US BOSSING THEM AROUND TOO MUCH ON THE DETAILS WHILE STILL MAKING SURE WE CAN SUPPORT THIS FUNDING TO THE BANDS OF ENCHANTMENT? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILORS, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SHARE THE ANSWER ON THIS. THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL TO ASSIST BANDS OF ENCHANTMENT, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PROCUREMENT EXCEPTIONS THAT DO NOT REQUIRE IT TO BE COMPETITIVE. THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED WITH ADVERTISING AND HIRING OF ENTERTAINERS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHAT THE UNDERLYING PROPOSED CONTRACT TO BE. ULTIMATELY THE CONTRACT WOULD GO THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY OFFICE FOR FINAL LEGAL REVIEW. IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE PROCRURMENT DIVISION TO MAKE SURE IT CHECKS WITH THE METHODOLOGY. AND THE GENERALIZED APPROPRIATION OF $580,000 TO BANDS OF ENCHANTMENT ITSELF DOES NOT VIOLATE A LAW. IT REQUIRES A FINELY EXECUTED CONTRACT TO COMPLY. >>COUN. BASSAN: MS. BRADLEY, WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE TO ADD? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THE FUNDS ARE APPROPRIATED AND WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW TO PROCURE. AFTER THE APPROPRIATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. SO, THE LAST THING THAT I HAVE TO SAY IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF IT WAS THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE SEPARATION OF POWERS WHERE THE FUNDING IS IN COUNCIL SERVICES AND WE'RE GOING TO MANAGE THIS CONTRACT, WHICH IN THE CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH COUNCILOR CHAMPINE NEVER HAS BEEN THE INTENT. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING IT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE FOR IF AND WHEN THIS CONTRACT IS CREATED, APPROVED BY LEGAL, AND ALL OF THE THINGS THEN AN ACTIVITY NUMBER WOULD BE PROVIDED TO COUNCIL SERVICES AND THAT WOULD NOT VIOLATE THE SEPARATION OF POWERS AND WOULD BE OKAY? IS THAT CORRECT? BECAUSE THE FUNDS WOULD BE PAID FOR OUT OF COUNCIL SERVICES LIKE WE PAY THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS FOR PROJECTS FROM COUNCIL SERVICES. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I THOUGHT WE HAD DISCUSSED EARLIER WITH THE TRANSFER TO THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: AS LONG AS COUNCIL SERVICES TRANSFERS THE FUNDS VIA RESOLUTION OR SOME OTHER MECHANISM, THERE'S STILL NO CONCERN WITH SEPARATION OF POWERS. >> GENERALLY, YES. OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE WAYS SEP RAUGZ -- SEPARATION OF POWERS -- WE TALKED ABOUT THE LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY THERE COULD BE A RESOLUTION THAT VIOLATES SEPARATION OF POWERS WHICH IS THE TRANSFER OF FUNDS WITH THE DIRECTION TO CREATE A PROGRAM TO SUPPORT BANDS OF ENCHANTMENT THAT WOULD NOT VIOLATE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. MORROW, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? >> I AGREE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD. >>COUN. BASSAN: THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT'S THE WAY TO GO. LET'S KEEP IT IN THERE AND WORK TOWARD A LEGAL CONTRACT THAT THE ADMINISTRATION PUTS TOGETHER. I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH WORK ON THIS THAT WE'RE NOT FAR FROM PUTTING THIS. WE'RE NOT SAYING USE THESE DOLLARS IN A WAY THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. WE HAND CHECKS TO BANDS FOR SUMMER FESTS, LIKE DOZENS OF BANDS EVERY YEAR JUST TO PLAY. I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION COULD TAKE THIS POSITION ON JUST ABOUT ANYTHING PENDING CONTRACT IF THEY WANTED TO. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A PATHWAY FORWARD TO AT LEAST GIVE IT A SHOT AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A LEGAL CONTRACT AND DO SOMETHING THAT IS CULTURALLY GOING TO BE POSITIVE FOR OUR CITY. MANY EXAMPLES OF THIS, LIKE AUSTIN AND PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN BENEFICIAL TO TOURISM AND TO THE CITY AND THE WHOLE CULTURE OF LIFTING OUR CITY UP IN THAT WAY. AGAIN, I WOULD SUPPORT THE OVERRIDE AND KEEP THESE DOLLARS DIRECTED IN THAT DIRECTION. AND WE CAN ALWAYS -- AGAIN, IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO APPROPRIATE THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE IF THIS DOESN'T WORK OUT. I MEAN, OTHERWISE, AGAIN, IT GOES BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH IT. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE QUESTIONS. HEARING ALL THE DIALOGUE IS CONTRARY TO WHAT I'VE BEEN TAUGHT SINCE I STARTED MANY YEARS AGO ON COUNCIL. YOU KNOW, I JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN WHEN WE'RE SPECIFICALLY NAMING AN ORGANIZATION WE'RE GOING TO GIVE MONEY TO. AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE AN ORGANIZATION $500,000. LET ME PREFACE THIS BY SAYING, I KNOW THIS IS YOUR ONLY ASK. IT'S AWESOME. I WANT TO SUPPORTIVE. NOW, NEXT TIME WE DO BUDGET, WE GO TO COUNSEL SPONSORSHIP, IF WE NAME ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN SPONSORSHIPS I THINK WE'RE OPENING UP A WHOLE CAN OF WITH WORMS. I JUST WANT TO SAY WE HAVE BEEN TOLD -- AND THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE BEEN TOLD FROM OUR COUNCIL STAFF FOREVER IS THAT UNDER COUNCIL SPONSORSHIPS WE CAN ONLY GO UP TO WHAT IS THE THRESHOLD? 75 OR $100,000 WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO RFP. WHEN DID THAT CHANGE? I DIDN'T GET THE MEMO. BEING BUDGET CHAIR SEVERAL TIMES, I HAVE ALWAYS LIVED WITH THAT INSTRUCTION IN MIND. WHEN I RELATE TO THE COUNCILORS WE'RE -- YOU CAN ONLY DO YOUR SPONSORSHIP AND YOU MEET A THRESHOLD AND YOU HAVE TO GO TO RFP. NOW, WE'RE SAYING SEPARATION OF POWERS IS A DIFFERENT THING. WE ALWAYS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT SEPARATION OF POWER. I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO NAVIGATE SEPARATION OF POWER. FOR ME, THAT'S OFF THE TABLE. BUT I REALLY WANT TO HEAR ON THE RECORD WHAT IS THAT -- WHERE ARE WE HEADED WITH THIS? BECAUSE NEXT TIME WE DO BUDGET, THERE'S A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE THAT I CAN SEE THAT CAN USE $500,000. AND THIS IS A NONPROFIT. JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE. AND WE'RE CONVOLUTING -- WE'RE GIVING BAND MONEY TO PLAY FOR CITY EVENTS, WHICH WE GIVE ALL THE TIME. I DON'T THINK THIS IS PART OF THAT CONVERSATION EITHER. I REALLY WANT TO HEAR WHEN DID WE CHANGE NOT GOING OVER $100,000 WITHOUT GOING TO RFP? >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. MORROW. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, I THINK YOU MIGHT BE CONFUSING TWO THINGS. GENERALLY, WE CONSIDER SPONSORSHIPS TO BE $20-30,000. WHEREAS THE RFP LIMIT IS $100,000. THE DIFFERENCE HERE, WE SOMETIMES DO HIGHER SPONSORSHIPS. THE $20-30 IS RUN OF THE MILL SPONSORSHIP. THERE'S AN EVENT AND THEY PUT A TABLE FOR THE CITY FOR PROMOTIONAL ACTIVITIES. SOME ACTIVITIES GENERATE MORE PROMOTION AND WE CAN JUSTIFY A LARGER AMOUNT. CAN WE JUSTIFY $580,000? I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT IS WHY WE FLAGGED THIS ISSUE. CITY LEGAL WILL GENERALLY APPROVE $20,000-30,000 FOR SPONSOR. WE'LL APPROVE MORE IF THE CITY WILL GET MORE BENEFIT. IF THERE'S SOMETHING MORE WE'RE GETTING. WITH BANDS OF ENCHANTMENT WE GET MORE SOCIAL MEDIA ACTIVITY. THERE'S A LOT MORE THAN THE STANDARD SPONSORSHIP. >>COUN. PEÑA: MADAM PRESIDENT, MY POINT THERE IS WHEN WE'RE EXPLICITLY NAMING AN ORGANIZATION TO GET MORE THAN THE THRESHOLD OF YOU'RE SAYING $25,000 OR $50,000 OR $100,000 WITH WHERE DOES THAT LEGALLY PUT US? >>COUN. BASSAN: -- >>COUN. PEÑA: I'M SUPPORTIVE OF COUNCILOR CHAMPINE'S REQUEST. BUT IF I COME FORWARD NEXT TIME WITH REQUESTS -- >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE PROCUREMENT METHOD. PRIMARILY, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $100,000 THRESHOLD. IF IT'S SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT WE HAVE 40 OTHER WAYS FIND IT IN THE PROCUREMENT. WE'RE TALKING DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT HAS MORE THAN JUST PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS ALL LEAVES ME WITH MORE QUESTIONS. I THINK WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT HOW WE'RE DOING THIS BECAUSE NOTHING IS MESHING WITH WHAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS. >> IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GERMANE TO THE BILL. ALONG THAT POINT, TWO YEARS AGO I KNOW THAT MR. MELENDREZ MET WITH CITY LEGAL AND WE DISCUSSED THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT FOR SPAWN -- SPONSORSHIP. IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO LOOK AT YOU MUCH WE DO FOR A SPONSORSHIP. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: JUST A FOLLOW UP TO COUNCILOR PEÑA'S QUESTION. WAS THERE AN RFP FOR THE MASTER'S CHAMPIONSHIP FUNDING OF $350,000? YOU SPECIFICALLY NAMED THIS. THE ADMINISTRATION NAMED THIS GROUP TO GET MONEY. IS THERE AN RFP? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I CAN ASK DIRECTOR SIMON. I WAS NOT HERE WHEN WE HAD THE EVENT IN THE PAST. >>COUN. BASSAN: DIRECTOR. >> YES, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, IN THE CASE OF THOSE FUNDS THAT YOU JUST ADDRESSED FOR YOUR VOTE, THOSE FUNDS DO NOT GO DIRECTLY TO THE USA CYCLING ORGANIZATION. THOSE ARE FUNDS THE CITY SUPPORT USES TO SUPPORT THE LARGE EVENTS. PROAND AMATEUR EVENTS WE WANT TO ATTRACT AND HOST. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: IT WOULD BE SAFE TO SAY THE SAME THING WE WANT TO USE THESE FUNDS TO HOST A COMPANY OR U.S. CHAMPIONSHIP IN THIS CASE, BRING IN OTHER PEOPLE AND -- >> IT WOULD BE USED FOR EVERY ASPECT OF HOSTING AN EVENT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THAT COMES DOWN TO THE CONTRACT THE BANDS OF ENCHANTMENT OR U.S. CYCLING WOULD HAVE? >> YES, THAT'S HOW WE APPROACH IT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU. >>COUN. ROGERS: JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. IS BANDS OF ENCHANTMENT FOR PROFIT OR NONPROFIT? ANYBODY KNOW? >>COUN. BASSAN: MS. BRADLEY. >> IT IS A PRODUCTION OF THE NEW MEXICO PUBLIC BROADCASTING SERVICE. IT IS FOR PROFIT. >>COUN. ROGERS: WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT GIVING $500,000 TO NONPROFIT. THE MONEY WE APPROPRIATED, IS IT PUBLIC MONEY? YES, IT IS. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: IN YOUR AMAZING PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE PROCUREMENT METHOD FOR A CONTRACT OF THIS SIZE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING BEFORE THAT I WOULD SIT DOWN WITH EVERYONE INVOLVED AND I WOULD SAY WHAT IS THIS, WHAT'S HAPPENING. I KNOW THAT'S HAPPENED A LOT WITH FOLKS HERE. HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS AND WHAT'S OUR DECISION AND WEWIT WOULD GO THROUGH CITY LEGAL. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS, HANG ON. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR ROGERS, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE ANSWERING THAT QUESTION IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS CONTRACT IS FOR. >>COUN. ROGERS: I'M GETTING THERE. THANK YOU. YOU'RE TAKING MY THUNDER. MADAM PRESIDENT, BASED ON WHAT YOU KNOW OF THE EVENT WHAT THEY DO AND PRESENTED, WE HAD A WHOLE PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL. WE ALL KNOW WHAT THEY DO. BASED ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THEY DO, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCUREMENT METHOD FOR THIS TYPE OF MONEY GOING OUT THE DOOR? >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, THE WAY THE CONTRACTS WERE IN THE PAST IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN THIS ONE. BECAUSE THERE'S PRE-PRODUCTION, POST-PRODUCTION BANDS ADVERTISING. IT'S WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR A CITY PERHAPS. KIND OF LIKE THE NATIONAL SENIOR GAMES. THAT WAS A HUGE EVENT AS WELL THAT WE WORKED WITH THEM ON. IT WOULD BE A COMBINATION LIKE WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST OF CONTRACTS WITH SOME SERVICES AND SOME OEP, OTHER EXEMPT PURCHASE, WITH ADVERTISING AND MUSIC. >>COUN. ROGERS: THAT SOUNDS VERY COMPLICATED. AGAIN, THE PROCUREMENT METHOD WOULD BE AN RFP? SOLE SOURCE? SPECIFICALLY THE PROCUREMENT METHOD YOU RECOMMEND FOR THIS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, IT WOULD BE 55-29 FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICE PART OF IT. 55-20E FOR ADVERTISEMENT. AND 55-20A FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. IT'S SAFE TO SAY WE WOULD NEED MULTIPLE DIFFERENT CONTRACTS TO BE ABLE TO DISBURSE THIS MONEY IN THE FIRST PLACE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS YES. WITH A LOT OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE PUT ON RECURRING, WE HAVE MULTIPLE CONTRACTS FOR DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE PROGRAM. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILOR CHAMPINE TO CLOSE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, ALL, FOR THE DISCUSSION AND CLARIFICATION. THIS WAS NEVER INTENDED TO -- THE SPONSORSHIP OR IDEA WAS NEVER INTENED TO DO WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION SAID. I HAVE TROUBLE DOING MY JOB, I DON'T WANT TO DO THE ADMINISTRATION'S JOB AS WELL. YES, TO TAKE AWAY FROM -- WITHOUT ADDING IF IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM OR GREAT BENEFIT MUCH LIKE A LOT OF THE THINGS THE CITY DOES IN SPONSORS, IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT IT IS CONVOLUTED. IT'S A CONTRACT THAT WOULD WITH TAKE MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS AND MAKING SURE WE DO FOLLOW THE RIGHT DEAL WHICH ISN'T UNHEARD OF IN MANY OF THE ASPECTS WE DO. I THINK WE POINTED IT OUT ON JUST A SIMPLE MASTER'S CYCLING CHAMPIONSHIP. AS FAR AS AN RFP AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, I THINK SEVERAL WEEKS AGO WE DISCUSSED SOMETHING OF THE ADMINISTRATION AGREEING SOME LAND CONTRACTS WITH THE FARMS IN THE NORTH VALLEY THAT DIDN'T GO THROUGH RFP BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THOSE WERE OVER $100,000 AND THEY FELT THEY COULD COME UP WITH A BETTER IDEA. THIS IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THOSE THINGS IN THE SENSE THAT JUST BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN THE PAST DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE DONE THIS WAY IN THE FUTURE. PUBLIC AND PRIVATE MONEY GOING TOWARD HOUSING THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IN THE SAWMILL AT CENTRAL AND SAN MATEO. WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH WITH DIFFERENT WAYS TO ENHANCE OUR CITY AND WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THEM. THE DIRECTION IS HERE'S SOME FUNDING, ADMINISTRATION WORK ON THE CONTRACT TO MAKE SURE IT'S LEGAL AND WE'RE NOT VIOLATING ANYTHING AND THE EXCHANGE OF FUNDS. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT BENEFIT FOR NOT ONLY THE CITY BUT US A WHOLE. IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. IN THIS OVERRIDE. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILORS, MOTION IS TO OVERRIDE VETO NUMBER FOUR BANDS OF ENCHANTMENT PAGE 8, LINE 27. YES IS TO OVERRIDE, NO IS SUSTAIN VETO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 7-2 VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE IS ONE BUSINESS. ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM, SORT OF, UNDER OTHER BUSINESS. BEFORE WE GET TO Q&A, COUNCILORS, I WANT TO SAY A LITTLE BIRDIE MENTIONED TODAY THAT THERE WAS A PARTY AND WE WEREN'T INVITED. KEVIN SOURISSEAU IS GOING TO BE RETIRING. AND APPARENTLY, HE HAD A PARTY AND DIDN'T INVITE COUNCIL. THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE IT'S BEEN QUOIT A RIDE. CONGRATULATIONS. AND BEST WITH WISHES. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THIS MIGHT BE YOUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING. I HOPE THAT WE MADE IT PLEASURABLE FOR YOU, BUT Q&A IS NOT OVER. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. YOU ARE CORRECT. YOUR LITTLE BIRDIE WAS RIGHT. PROBABLY THE WORST KEPT SECRET IN THE CITY. I AM RETIRING. WE DID HAVE A PARTY AT LUNCHTIME TODAY. IT'S BEEN A RIDE. I'M THANKFUL THAT FOR THE MONDAY MEETINGS I'LL BE GONE. BECAUSE EVERY OTHER MONDAY MEETING IS ENOUGH. A GREAT THANK YOU TO EVERYONE. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN IN GOVERNMENT FOR 35 YEARS. BEEN IN THIS RETIREMENT SYSTEM FOR ALMOST 28. I'VE SEEN A LOT. I COULD WRITE A BOOK. I MAY WRITE A BOOK. BUT IT'S BEEN FUN. IT'S BEEN CHALLENGING. THANK YOU, ALL. AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY GOOD-BYE. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST A HEART-FELT THANK YOU, KEVIN. YOU'VE SERVED WELL. I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO. ANYBODY THAT SERVED AND HAS A CAREER YOU'VE HAD, I'M SURE COULD SPEND OTHER TIME IN A PRIVATE WORLD AND OTHER AREAS. YOU COULD HAVE PROBABLY MADE A LOT MORE MONEY AND DONE A LOT LESS FROM A CRAZY CITY COUNCIL AT TIMES. JUST A HEART-FELT THANK YOU. AND I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT RETIREMENT. AND HOPEFULLY THINK BACK AT NOTHING BUT GOOD DAYS HERE AT THE CITY. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT UNTIL JUST THIS MOMENT. YOU TAUGHT ME A LOT. BEFORE I CAME TO COUNCIL, YOU WERE SOMEONE I COULD COUNT ON TO GIVE ME STRAIGHT ANSWER AND SOLUTIONS TO THE ISSUES I FACED. I KNOW THIS IS A LITTLE WEIRD COMING FROM THAT TO THIS. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE I LEARNED A LOT FROM YOU. I HOPE YOU ARE NOT GOING TOO FAR BECAUSE NOW I WOULD LOVE TO PICK YOUR BRAIN. THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK. THANK YOU FOR TEACHING ME A LOT. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I LIKE TO WISH YOU WELL IN YOUR NEXT CHAPTER. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I'M GOING TO DO EVERYTHING. AND NOTHING. MY UNCLE, WHEN HE RETIRED MANY YEARS AGO AND HE LONG PASSED, HE SAID I WAKE UP IN THE MORNING WITH NOTHING ON MY TO DO LIST AND GO TO SLEEP WITH HALF OF IT DONE. I HOPE TO LIVE THAT DREAM. ALSO, IF THERE ARE -- IF THERE'S A NONPROFIT OR TWO LOOKING FOR A BOARD MEMBER, I'M GOING TO KEEP MY CPA CREDENTIALS. I THINK I CAN VOLUNTEER MY TIME AND BRING SOME OF MY EXPERIENCES WORKING WITH GOVERNING BODY AND BORES AND COMMISSIONS TO NONPROFITS. IF THERE'S ANY NONPROFITS OUT THERE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR BOARD MEMBERS, REACH OUT. >>COUN. BASSAN: YOU CAN APPLY TO SOME BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. THERE'S VACANCIES. COUNCILORS, THAT'S ENOUGH SAP FROM ME. IT'S EXTRA. THANK YOU. AND CONGRATULATIONS. MOVING TO THE LAST AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT. ADMIN Q&A. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I'M FIRST. JUST -- I HAVE ONLY A HANDFUL OF QUESTIONS BUT A COUPLE FOLLOW UPS. I ASKED ABOUT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT LAST MEETING. THE TIMELINE AND NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS FOR THE HOTELS THE SIT CLOSED. THEY SENT ME AN EMAIL STATING THE SEVEN THAT CLOSED, BUT THERE'S A LACK OF TIMELINE. IT SHOWED THE DATE YOU FOUND THE VIOLATION AND NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS. AND THAT YOU CLOSED IT BASED ON THE VIOLATION. BUT IT DIDN'T SAY IF THIS THE FIFTH OR SIX INVESTIGATION. IT JUST HAD THE SEVEN CLOSED BASED OFF OF MASSIVE VIOLATION. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE TIMELINE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I CAN ASK THEM TO FOLLOW UP WITH ADDITIONAL DETAIL. HE'S RIGHT HERE AND CAN DO THAT. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR. WE THOUGHT THE DATES WERE THE EVENTS. THEY WERE ALL IN SEQUENTIAL TIMELINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: WE'LL TAKE THE FIRST ONE. 6015 ILIFF. IT SHOWS YOU SAW THE VIOLATIONS AND LISTED THE VIOLATION. THERE'S NO INSPECTION PRIOR TO MARCH 11th? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY TIMELINE. YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY? >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >> EACH PROPERTY HAD NUMEROUS CONTACTS WITH THE CITY. SOME OF THEM GOING ON FOR YEARS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE. >> NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN. WE WILL BE GLAD, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, TO PROVIDE THE COUNCILOR WITH THE HISTORY OF EACH PROPERTY. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: PERFECT. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. I APPRECIATE THAT. MADAM PRESIDENT, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IF THE CAO CAN'T ANSWER THEM HERSELF. I WAS RECENTLY DOWNTOWN ENJOYING MY OFFTIME. NOT IN DISTRICT TWO. WHEN EVERYTHING IS BEING LET OUT DOWNTOWN IT SEEMED TO BE THE PROCEDURE TO -- FOR POLICE OFFICERS AND VEHICLES TO PARK THEIR CARS IN FRONT OF ESTABLISHMENTS AND RUN LIGHTS AND SIRENS CONTINUOUSLY UNTIL THE CROWD DISBURSED. IS THIS A PROCEDURE THAT'S IN THE SOP THAT YOU LEAVE LIGHTS AND SIRENS ON FOR HIGH DECIBELS? >> COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, IT'S NOT IN OPERATING PROCEDURE. IT IS A METHOD THAT WE USE WITH HOW THE CROWD IS. THE MAIN THING IS WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT WHEN THE BARS CLOSE THAT WE HAVE THE AVENUES AND EXIT OF PEOPLE NOT CONGREGATING AND CAUSING DISTURBANCE. THIS GETS THEIR ATTENTION TO MOVE PEACEFULLY. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: WHAT I SAW WAS 10 TO 15 MINUTES ON, AND FIVE MINUTES, AND THE CROWDS WERE NOT HOSTILE. THEY WERE HANGING OUT AFTERWARDS AND SLOWLY DISBURSING. IT WASN'T AS IMMEDIATE APPARENTLY TO THE COMMAND STAFF THAT WAS ORDERING THIS TO HAPPEN. IT SEEMS REDUNDANT AND AGGRESSIVE ON OUR PART TO SIT THERE AND HAVE A LOUD DECIBEL SIREN IN PEOPLE'S EARS BECAUSE THEY'RE SITTING AND TALKING FOR A FEW MINUTES AFTER CLOSE. THAT'S MY OPINION. I ALSO NOTICE THE HORSE-MOUNTED UNIT IS BEING USED A LOT. IS THERE A SOP FOR HOW THEY'RE USED? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THE HORSE-MOUNTED UNIT IS USED FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. YOU'VE SEEN THE STORIES THAT THEY ACTUALLY DO ASSIST. THERE'S A COUPLE VIDEOS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YOU CHASED SOMEBODY DOWN. >> YES. AND THEY'RE USED ON CROWD PUROTROLS. THEY'RE UTILIZED DOWNTOWN AT CERTAIN TIMES. AS FAR AS THEIR OPERATING IS CONSISTENT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. WHEN THEY'RE DOWNTOWN, THE CROWDS AND EVERYONE IS PEACEFUL. WE HAVEN'T HAD MANY INCIDENTS IN DOWNTOWN WHEN THEY'RE OUT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I AGREE. IT'S AWESOME TO SEE. MY CONCERN IS WHEN I WAS THERE YOU HAD MANDATORY DOWN -- WHEN I WAS IN AIR SUPPORT, YOU HAVE MANDATORY DOWER -- DOWN TIME. IS THERE MANDATORY DOWN TIME FOR THE HORSES ? >> WE ACTUALLY DO. WE GIVE THEM DOWN TIME. THERE'S TIMES THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO BE USE BACK TO BACK. THEY'RE LIKE POLICE SERVICE DOGS. WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE A LOT OF HORSES TO ROTATE HELP WITH OFFICERS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MY LAST QUESTION. ONE OF THE FOLLOW UPS I RECEIVED ABOUT WHAT THE NATIONAL GUARD ARE BEING USED FOR STATED THERE ARE 12 NATIONAL GUARDS ASSIGNED TO THE RTCC. AND DUE TO THE DRONE PROGRAM, WE'RE STARTING UP WITH APD NOT HAVING THOSE POSITIONS FILLED, THE NATIONAL GUARD PERSONNEL WILL BE REPLACING THE 12 OFFICERS NEEDED FOR THAT PROGRAM. WHEN IT SAYS 12 OFFICERS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE UNIFORMED OFFICERS AT THE RTCC TO FLY DRONES? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE THAT IS AN OPTION. WE WOULD LOVE TO -- ONE THING WE DO GREAT AS A DEPARTMENT IS WHERE WE DON'T NEED A BADGE AND DONE WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO CIVILIANS. BUT IF WE GET TO THE OFFICER LEVEL WE HAD HAD THAT WE HAD ENOUGH BOOTS ON THE GROUND WE'LL UTILIZE THEM. AS OF RIGHT NOW, THOSE ARE POSITIONS THAT WE DO HAVE TO HIRE. ONE OF THE GREAT SUCCESS STORIES, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU, ONE OF THE NATIONAL GUARD MEMBERS WERE ABLE TO WATCH CAMERAS AND THEY SEEN AN OVERDOSE ON CENTRAL AND THEY DISPATCHED OFFICERS BECAUSE WE HAD MORE EYES LOOKING AT THE CAMERAS. I THINK THERE'S SUCCESS STORIES LIKE THAT WHERE YOU DON'T NEED OFFICERS BUT THEY'RE HELPING THE RTCC. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: WERE THERE UNIFORM OFFICERS? >> RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SUPERVISORS THAT ARE SWORN. BECAUSE OF THE MANNING LEVEL AND THE PROGRAM WE'RE DOING, WE DON'T HAVE TO FILL THOSE. EVENTUALLY, WE'LL PROPOSE TO HAVE OFFICERS OR CIVILIANS. MY HOPE IS WE USE CIVILIANS SO WE DON'T HAVE OFFICERS AND WE PUT THE OFFICERS ON THE STREET. THAT IS ONE OPTION WE WERE LOOKING AT BEFORE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, IS THERE GOING TO BE TRAINING FOR THE CIVILIANS TO SEE WHAT A POLICE OFFICER MIGHT SEE? AND DIRECT OFFICERS TO IT? >> YES, THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH THE SAME TRAINING. -- IT WAS THE SAME TRAINING THE OFFICERS USE. THEY'RE UP TO DATE WITH TRAINING THAT AN OFFICER WOULD USE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, WILL THERE BE RIDE-ALONGS FOR. >> COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THEY COMPLETED THAT DURING THE TRAINING. THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: ANOTHER, MADAM PRESIDENT, THE FOLLOW UP WAS THAT -- I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE BUSY. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE PHONE CALL I AND WAS PROMISED TO YOU TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING IN DISTRICT EIGHT. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE YES. JUST TO THE SENSITIVITY OF IT, I NEED MORE INFORMATION. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I APPRECIATE THAT. >> I WILL CALL YOU FIRST THING IN THE MORNING. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST A CONVERSATION IN OUR CONVERSATION WITH MS. KEEFE. LET'S SAY A CITY COUNCILOR USED THEIR CITY EMAIL TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR CAMPAIGN MANAGER, AND NOT JUST A MISTAKE, LET'S SAY IF I DID THAT AND IT WAS A THREE FOUR TIMES OR MULTIPLE DAYS AND BACK AND FORTH WITH A CAMPAIGN MANAGER USING MY CITY EMAIL. WHAT WOULD BE THE EXPOSURE FOR A CITY OR ELECTED EMPLOYEE USING THE CITY EMAIL? >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, FIRST OF ALL, ARE YOU -- IN YOUR HYPOTHETICAL ARE THEY CAMPAIGN RELATED EMAILS? >>COUN. LEWIS:COME PAIN -- CAMPAIGN RELATED EMAILS SPECIFIC TO A CAMPAIGN MANAGER. >> I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE EXPOSURE FOR THE CITY. IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM FOR THE CANDIDATE. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT'S JUST POLITICAL? IT WOULDN'T HAVE LEGAL IMPLICS OR EXPOSURE TO THE CITY? >> NOT THAT I CAN THINK OF. >>COUN. LEWIS: WOULD YOU ADVISE IT'S INAPPROPRIATE? >> THERE ARE RULES PROHIBITING THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHAT ARE THOSE RULES? >> PERSONNEL RULES. PROHIBIT CAMPAIGN ACTIVITIES ON CITY TIME, ON CITY PROPERTY, WITH CITY COMPUTERS, WITH CITY EMAILS. THAT'S ALL PROHIBITED. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT? >> IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE INFRACTION. SOMETIMES THOSE -- I KNOW THERE'S BEEN PERSONNEL BOARD HEARINGS AND ISSUES RELATED -- THERE HAVE BEEN DISCIPLINE IMPOSED ON CITY EMPLOYEES THAT ENGAGED ON CITY TIME. >>COUN. LEWIS: IF IT WERE ONE OF US OR THE MAYOR, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCEDURES? >> SOMEBODY COULD MAKE A COMPLAINT TO BOARD OF ETHICS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT'S IT? IT'S SIMPLY BOARD OF ETHICS. IT WOULDN'T APPLY TO THE EMPLOYEE? >> IT DEPENDS ON THE EMPLOYEE. SOME CITY EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN DISCIPLINED. ELECTED OFFICIALS, THERE'S NO ONE TO DISCIPLINE THEM. IT WOULD GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF ETHICS OR A POLITICAL ISSUE. I CAN'T IMPOSE DISCIPLINE ON CITY COUNCILOR. IT WOULD BE HANDLED OTHER WAYS. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU WOULD ADVISE US THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE? >> THERE ARE CITY RULES PROHIBITING THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'M SORRY? >> THERE'S CITY RULES PROHIBITING CAMPAIGN ON CITY TIME AND ACTIVITY? >>COUN. LEWIS: WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE FOR INSPECTOR GENERAL TO INVESTIGATE THAT? >> YES. I KNOW THEY HAVE CONDUCTED INVESTIGATIONS INTO THAT TYPE OF ISSUE IN THE PAST. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT WOULD BE AN OPPONENT THAT WOULD WITH INITIATE WITH THE CLERKS OFFICE? WOULD THE CLERK'S OFFICE INITIATE? >> NO, THEY WOULD NOT INITIATE IT ON THEIR OWN. SOMEBODY COULD MAKE A COMPLAINT. IT COULD BE THE OOPPONENT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE. >>COUN. LEWIS: I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. IT'S NOT A GOTCHA QUESTION. IT'S SIMPLY THE MAYOR WROTE MULTIPLE EMAILS BACK AND FORTH WITH HIS CAMPAIGN MANAGER TALKING ABOUT CAMPAIGN BUSINESS. NOTHING BUT ABUSE AND MISUSE OF CITY RESOURCES. PARTLY, IT'S NOT A POLITICAL THING, THIS IS PARTY WE HAVE OVERSIGHT IN SOME WAYS TO CITY RESOURCES AND HOW THEY'RE USED. I GUESS IF IT'S A MATTER OF AN OPPONENT HAVING TO EXPOSE THAT, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT WOULD WITH APPLY TO THE INSPECTOR GENERALAL. AGAIN, MISUSE AND ABUSE OF INVESTIGATING -- INVESTIGATING MISUSE OR BUSE OF CITY RESOURCES IS WHAT THAT OFFICE IS SET UP FOR. I THINK AT THE VERY LEAST ON THE POLICY WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. I KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULDN'T DO. NOT ONLY THAT I MADE A MISTAKE, BUT I DID IT MULTIPLE TIME AND KNOWINGLY VIOLATED THAT. ARE YOU AWARE OF AN APOLOGY THAT THE MAYOR MADE? OR MS. SENGEL, AN APOLOGY THE MAYOR MADE OR THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT? TO SAY, I GET IT, I MISUSED CITY RESOURCES AND I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT AGAIN. WHERE LEARNED MY LESSON? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I'M NOT AWARE OF WHAT EMAILS SPECIFICALLY YOU'RE SPEAKING OF AND EXACTLY WHAT CONTENT WAS IN THE EMAILS. WITHOUT THAT CONTEXT, IT'S DIFFICULT TO ADDRESS. I CAN SAY THAT I KNOW THAT THE MAYOR USES HIS OWN PERSONAL EMAIL AND HIS OWN FOR CAMPAIGNS CAMPAIGNS. IF THERE'S EMAILS THAT WERE AUTHORED ON THE WRONG EMAIL ACCOUNT, I WOULD EXPECT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE EITHER AN ERROR OR THE CONTENT WOULD NOT INTENDED TO BE CAMPAIGNING CONTENT. THAT SAID, UNDERSTANDING THE CONTEXT THROUGH SPECIFICS MAY BE A WAY FOR US TO LOCK -- LOOK AT THAT AND KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THERE SHOULD BE APOLOGY. PEOPLE WRITE US ALL THE TIME ON CITY-ISSUED EMAILS. I HAVE RECEIVED EMAILS OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS OF BEING IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION IN WHICH I HAVE HAD TO DIRECT INDIVIDUALS TO MOVE THAT COMMUNICATION OUTSIDE OF MY -- BECAUSE IT WASN'T APPROPRIATE OR PART OF MY JOB OR APPROPRIATE USE OF PUBLIC TOOL OF EMAIL. WITHOUT ANY MORE CONTEXT OR MORE INFORMATION AND WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT EXACTLY YOU'RE ADDRESSING, BUT ALSO JUST FOR THE SHEER FACT THAT WE'RE DOING THIS EVERY DAY ALL DAY WORKING MANY TIMES EMAILS EMAILS WILL COME IN THAT NEED TO MOVE ACROSS TO ANOTHER PLATFORM IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE. I KNOW THAT OCCURS IN MANY CASES AND MOST ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE TO DO SO. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'M SURE IT'S HARD TO ANSWER FOR YOUR BOSS. I'LL GIVE YOU CONTEXT. THEY WERE ALL INITIATED BY THE MAYOR TO HIS CAMPAIGN MANAGER. MULTIPLE EMAILS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. THEY WERE INITIATED BY HIM. THERE'S BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CITY EMAIL. HIS MAYOR EMAIL, REGARDING GETTING VOTING AND TALKING TO THE UNIONS OF MAYBE GO TO THIS MEETING AND THAT WILL HELP US GET VOTES FOR THIS ELECTION. SO -- BY THE WAY, THESE WERE OBTAINED. I DIDN'T OBTAIN THEM. I UNDERSTAND THEY WERE OBTAINED THROUGH AN IPRA REQUEST. IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION THAT WAS SENT TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE. THE CLERK'S OFFICE INVESTIGATED. OUR CITY RESOURCES, ALL THE MONEY WE SPENT ON IPRA, TEASE ARE INVESTIGATORS THAT FOUND IT. PUBLIC INFORMATION BECAUSE IT'S ON THE MAYOR'S CITY EMAIL. IT WAS GIVEEN TO THE PUBLIC. THAT'S THE PUBLIC'S PROPERTY. THEY OWN HIS EMAIL AND MY EMAIL. THIS CONTENT AND CONTEXT WAS ON THERE. KNOWING WHAT YOU KNOW NOW, WOULD YOU ADVISE THE MAYOR NOT TO DO THAT AGAIN? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THE USE OF CITY EMAIL FOR CAMPAIGNING AS WE'VE SAID FOR EMPLOYEES OR ELECTED OFFICIALS IS NOT THE PREFERRED METHOD OF COMMUNICATION. I THINK I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH WITH THE MAYOR. I THINK IT'S MORE THAN APPROPRIATE FOR THAT CONVERSATION TO BE WITH HIM. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHEN I TEXT THE MAYOR HE SENDS MY TEXT TO THE ALBUQUERQUE JOURNAL. WHICH IS FINE, I GUESS. EVEN THOUGH IT'S ON PRIVATE TELEPHONE CALLS. I GIVE EVERYBODY HIS PRIVATE TELEPHONE NUMBER AND SAY IF THE JOURNAL GIVES IT ANYWAY. THIS IS A PRIVATE CITY EMAIL THAT WAS USED FOR CAMPAIGNING PURPOSES. IT'S ALL OUT THERE. THE PUBLIC KNOWS IT. THE PUBLIC OWNS THOSEO -- THOSE EMAILS. I EXPECT AN APOLOGY BY THE MAYOR. I'LL CERTAINLY CALL HIM AND TELL HIM HE SHOULD DO THAT. I WOULD HOPE HIS ATTORNEYS AND EVERYBODY ELSE REMIND HIM OF THE SAME THING. AT THE VERY LEAST, I THINK THIS COUNCIL, AGAIN, WAS GIVEN OVERSIGHT AND THE INSPECTOR GENERAL OF MISUSE OF PUBLIC RESOURCES DESERVES AT THE VERY LEAST AN APOLOGY FROM THE MAYOR FOR KNOWINGLY AND REPEATEDLY MISUSING HIS CITY-OWNED EMAIL FOR CAMPAIGNING PURPOSES. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. SDMRG THANK YOU . >>COUN. GROUT: I HAVE JUST A FEW QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR OF DMD. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR FINISHING THE PROJECT ON EAST LOMAS. THE PROJECT BETWEEN THE SIDE WALK AND CURB LOOKS REALLY NICE. WE HAD PEOPLE COMPLIMENT. THANK YOU. THE NEXT THING IS WE HAD ANOTHER CONSTITUENT VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE ART SHOW BEING AT THE ALBUQUERQUE MUSEUM OF MODERN ART OF GERMANY BETWEEN 1910 AND-1945. SHE'S CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROUND-ABOUT. I SENT YOU QUESTIONS THAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE WORD OUT THAT THERE IS A REALLY NEAT EXHIBIT COMING TO THE MUSEUM. ALSO, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THERE IS SOME CONSTRUCTION AND THERE'S A PLAN. HOW LONG IS THE ROUND-ABOUT CONSTRUCTION EXPECTED TO LAST? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR GROUT, DIRECTOR SANCHEZ ISN'T HERE TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE GREAT EXHIBIT COMING TO THE MUSEUM IN AUGUST. I WAS RESEARCHING IT AND -- IT'S A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR THE CITY. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, YOU CAN READ ABOUT IT. IT'S ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF ART AND POLITICS IN GERMANY BETWEEN THE WORLD WARS. IT LOOKS PHENOMENAL. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT CONSTRUCTION. WE KICKED OFF CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW ROUND-ABOUT AT 19th AND MOUNTAIN LAST WEEK. IT'S SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED AT THE END OF OCTOBER. DATA SHOWS THAT ROUND-ABOUTS IMPROVE SAFETY AND REDUCE SPEEDS AND CRASHES. WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO COMPLETION OF THIS CRITICAL AND TRAFFIC CALMING PROJECT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR MOVING PEOPLE ACROSS TO THE MUSEUM? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT YES. WE WORKED CLOSELY COORDINATING ROUND-ABOUT PLANS WITH ALBUQUERQUE MUSEUM AND NATURAL HISTORY MUSEUM. THE MUSEUM'S WEBSITE PROVIDES INFORMATION ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION AND DETAILED MAP TO DETERMINE AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE. ALTHOUGH THE SIDEWALKS AT 19th AND MOUNTAIN ARE CLOSED FOR CONSTRUCTION, THE SIDEWALKS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE MUSEUM ARE OPEN. VISITORS WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE MUSEUM AND PARKING LOT FROM 19th STREET. I ATTEMPTED THIS MYSELF LAST WEEK. NO ISSUES ACCESSING IT AT ALL. AND FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, CONTRACTORS ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT TRAFFIC CONTROL PLANS TO DMD RELATED TOCLOSURES. IN THIS CASE THEY SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN WHEN THE CLOSURE WAS PROPOSED. IT'S REFLECTED ON THE -- BARRICADE MAP. THERE'S WAYS ONLINE TO LOOK AT HOW TO ACCESS THE MUSEUM. IF YOU'RE OLD SCHOOL AND WALKING AROUND OLD TOWN, WE HAVE SIGNAGE ALL OVER DIRECTING THE DETOUR. >>COUN. GROUT: ONE FINAL QUESTION, IS THERE SUFFICIENT SIGNAGE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, YES THERE IS. WE HAVE A VARIABLE MESSAGE BOARD IDENTIFYING THE CLOSURE AND THERE ARE SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE AREA. I JUST WANT TO END BY SAYING HOW EXCITING THIS EXHIBIT IS AND ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO SAFELY ACCESS THAT AND ACCESS THE EXHIBIT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I THINK THIS IS GREAT. I WANT TO THANK THE ARTS AND CULTURE DEPARTMENT FOR BRINGING THIS EXHIBIT TO ALBUQUERQUE. I THINK WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE IT IN THE SOUTHWEST AND HERE SPECIFICALLY IN ALBUQUERQUE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: IS THAT IT, COUNCILOR GROUT? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: I JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON DISCUSSIONS FROM LAST MEETING REGARDING THE NATIONAL GUARD AND LABELLING ON THEIR UNIFORMS. CERT. DID WE EVER FIND OUT WHAT THAT MEANT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, IT'S COMMUNITY EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I GUESSED, I SAID THAT'S GOING TO BE THE NAME THEY CAME BACK WITH. ARE THEY DEPLOYED ALREADY? >> YES, THEY STARTED ON JUNE 12th. >>COUN. ROGERS: THAT MEANS WE HAVE A PLAN WHERE THEY'RE STATIONED ACROSS THE WHOLE CITY, NOT JUST DISTRICT SIX? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS YES. AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S A VARIETY. WE HAVE OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING THAT OCCURRED YESTERDAY. THE NATIONAL GUARD MEMBERS HELD PERIMETER POSITIONS AND ALLOWED OFFICERS TO RESPOND. WE HAD A SWAT ACTIVATION RIGHT NOW FOR A HOMICIDE. THEY'RE HELPING OUT AND RELIEVING OFFICERS AND POLICE SERVICE AIDS TO RESPOND TO OTHER CALLS FOR SERVICE. WE'RE USING THEM THROUGHOUT THE CITY NOT ONLY WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION. >>COUN. ROGERS: CAN I GET A BREAKDOWN OF HOW MANY, WHERE, WHEN FOR THE WHOLE CITY? >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME BUT I'LL GET IT FOR YOU SHORTLY. >>COUN. ROGERS: THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. THE LAST QUESTION YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER, BUT I HAVE BEEN VOCAL ABOUT THE HUMANITARIAN EFFORTS LISTED ON CHIEF MEDINA'S LETTER TO THE GOVERNOR ASKING FOR SERVICES. I'VE ASKED FOR SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES ON CITY PROPERTY THAT YOUR OFFICERS CONTINUE TO ASK FOR A PLACE THEY CAN TAKE FOLKS WHERE THEY CAN LEGALLY CAMP. IS THERE ANY MOVEMENT ON THAT REQUEST? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I KNOW THAT CHIEF MEDINA IS WORKING ON THAT TASK. I KNOW THAT THE NATIONAL GUARD -- I KNOW WE EXPLAINED WE WANT THEM TO HELP WITH HUMANITARIAN, HOWEVER WE WANT TO USE THE STAGES OF CRAWL, WALK, AND RUN. WE'RE SEEING THAT THEY CAN HELP US OUT MORE. AS THEY BUILD CONFIDENCE AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS GOING SMOOTHLY, WE'LL EXPAND THEIR ROLE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I DON'T THINK APD SHOULD BE THE LEAD OF THE HUMANITARIAN EFFORTS ON CENTRAL. JUST SAYING, ADMINISTRATION. PLEASE DO NOT INTERRUPT ME WHEN I'M SPEAKING. THAT'S NOT HOW THIS WORKS. YOU MUST SPEAK THROUGH THE PRESIDENT. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE FLOOR. I DESERVE THAT RESPECT. AND I DEMAND THAT REQUEST. THANK YOU. MADAM PRESIDENT, MY QUESTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION AND NOT CHIEF OF STAFF HERNANDEZ, I WOULD LIKE TO BE PERSONALLY INVOLVED FOR MY DISTRICT, NOT THE WHOLE CITY, ON WHAT THE HUMANITARIAN EFFORTS LOOK LIKE. AND I WOULD LOVE TO COLLABORATE WITH YOU ON THAT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE HAD DISCUSSION WITH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. THERE'S ONGOING DISCUSSIONS AND CHIEF MEDINA IS INVOLVED IN THESE CONVERSATIONS BASE BASED ON THE NATIONAL GUARD DEPLOYMENT BEING THE NUMBER OF BODIES AND HOW THEY GET ASSIGNED. THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE ONGOING. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LAST-MINUTE QUESTION. IT WASN'T ON MY LIST. IT'S FOR THE CAO. WHO APPROVES THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT FOR THE CITY? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, WE HAVE MULTIPLE TYPES OF SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS. SO, THERE ARE PERMITS ISSUED THROUGH PARKS. PERMITS ISSUED THROUGH ARTS AND CULTURE. AND THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE HAVE PERMITS THAT ARE EVALUATED BY MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT INVESTIGATES THESE ARE FOLLOWED CORRECTLY? >> MADAM PRESIDENT,COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, IT DEPENDS ON THE LOCATION OF THE EVENT, THE TYPE OF EVENT. IT REALLY DOES VARY EVERY TIME, BASED ON WHAT IS ASKED FOR WITHIN THAT PERMIT. SO, DIFFICULT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK IT'S ON EACH OF THOSE -- >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, THIS SPECIFIC PERMIT WAS PROVIDED TO US BY THE ADMINISTRATION. AND IT WAS ASKED FOR THE RALLY THAT HAPPENED ON THE 14th. AS MUCH AS I SAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ATTENDED THE RALLY, BUT IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT THE AMPLIFIED SOUND WAS NOT APPLICABLE FOR WHAT THIS IS ALLOWED, YET THERE'S SPEAKERS AND AMPLIFIED SOUND BEING USED. IT'S BROUGHT IT MY ATTENTION THIS WASN'T FOLLOWED PROPERLY. IF THERE'S A FOLLOW UP TO THEM NOT FOLLOWING THE PERMIT PROPERLY. >> MADAM PRESIDENT-CATCH ? >> I'M HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THE EVENT AND DETERMINE IF THERE'S ANY CONCERN. I THINK OUR VIOLATIONS COME FROM -- VIOLATIONS WOULD BE RELATED TO OTHER TYPES OF ORDINANCES OR OTHER THINGS WE LOOK AT TO GET TO. SDMRCH TAUNG FOR TAT . >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU FOR THAT. IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AND I'M DOING MY DUTY TO RIGHT THE ASK QUESTIONS. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? TO DRAG IT OUT TO 2 A.M. FOR MR. SOURISSEAU'S LAST MEETING. SEEING NONE. NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS COUNCIL MEETING IS ADJOURNED.