No, I know that we were waiting on one council member. Do we have the other council member online? I'm here, madame mayor. Oh, good morning. Good morning. Thank you. Okay. And then so we can we can get started. Did you? Oh, good. You were what? No. Oh, no. Before that. Hello. Hi, before we start the meeting, we have a very special guest. That's how I feel this morning, too. Savannah. Hi. Guess what? You're mayor for the day, Savannah. What do you think? We have the Down Syndrome Network in the house. Everyone give them a huge round of applause. Hi. And your brother is here. Is that your brother? Hello. Hi. Good morning. And this is mom Karen. And we are excited to have you. Thank you for having us. Good morning. [Music] Pretty special. Pretty special. So, future mayor right here, everyone. And so, tell me, I hear you love tennis. Is that true? And running and art. I love art, too. We all love art, right? All right. So, we're going to get this meeting started. And I I wonder Savannah, would you like a gavvel? You can hit me with it, too. A lot of people feel that way, so it's okay. especially on social media. No. Okay. You want to hold on to it? No. Okay. I don't like using it much either, so it's we're all good there. Um Okay. So, we are going to start off with the Pledge allegiance. And I would love it if Karen and Savannah would lead us in the pledge. So, everyone, please stand. All right. [Music] to the flag of which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible. Good job. Good job. Yeah, I get it. I like I said, I have those days, too, for sure. Okay, at this time, I'm going to send it back to you, Mr. Clerk. Okay, we ready for roll call? Uh, this is roll call for the uh council meeting and redevelopment agency board, Wednesday, February 22nd. Council member Breis here, Derer. Martinez here, Eert here, Taylor here, and Reese here. Thank you, Madame Mayor. You have a quorum of the Reno City Council. All right. Thank you so much. At this time, uh, I'm going to send it right back to you for public comment. All right. Thank you. Uh, our first item today is item A3, public comment. It should be noted for those in the audience that comments are to be addressed to the mayor and council as a whole. Comments heard under this item will be limited to three minutes per person and may pertain to matters both on and off the council's agenda. Please note that the council may not take action upon any matter not agendaized on today's agenda. When you are called on for public comment, please state your name for the record and begin speaking. The timer will begin when you say your name and you will be afforded three minutes. If you are an attendee in the Zoom meeting and would like to make a public comment, please raise your hand at this time. Lastly, while in this room, please be respectful. Warnings will be issued by the presiding officer if there is disruptive behavior and you'll be asked to leave chambers if the behavior continues. All right. And our first public comment today, sorry, thank you is Christina Yuggaldi followed by Karen Smalcom. Great to see you Christina. Great to see you too. So, my name is Christina Ugalde and I am the executive director of the Down Syndrome Network of Northern Nevada. And I would like to thank Mayor Shivi for all of the support that she has given our network um over the past few years. She has been just amazing and the awareness that you helped spread to the community is so important to our members. Thank you council members for including us in today's proceedings. I think we can all agree that Savannah is the cutest mayor that they're I'm sorry to interrupt. Can you tip the mic so we can hear you? Yeah. Okay. Is that better? A little closer. Is that okay? No. Better. Thank you. Um, our organization seeks to create a positive understanding of Down syndrome and envisions a community wherein all members are valued for their uniqueness, respected for their contributions, and assured the opportunity and choice to create their own path to fulfillment and success. We are so lucky to have so many wonderful community partners working to support us in our mission. I would like to thank the city of Reno for their generous support of last year's Uncharted Waters event for uh via the arts and cultures grants program. The funding this grant allowed us to provide or with this funding the grant allowed us to provide incredible art programming for 35 artists with Down syndrome as well as reaching hundreds of residents in the Reno and surrounding areas. If anyone is interested in more information about our organization, we'd love for you to check us out at dsnn.org. And thank you for your time. All right. Thank you so much. Are you going to join me in the buddy walk this year? We go everywhere every year. No. Right. So, I just want to encourage everyone. Not today, but we'll go. Um, but I just want to encourage everyone. And it's one of um I think the best local events that are put on in the region is put on in the region. And so please join Savannah and I in this year's buddy walk. Christina, when is it? September 9th. Okay. September 9th. And did you change the venue? No. Okay. So it's at at the sports dome, which is super impressive if you haven't been there. But last year I went to the ballpark first because we've had it there for many years. Thank you so so much. Really appreciate it. And everyone give a huge round of applause to Savannah, our our mayor for the day. Thank you. Next, we have Karen Smalcom, followed by Terry Brooks. Hi, my name is Karen Smallcom. I would like to thank Mayor Shivi and city council today for inviting the DSN to be here. As a parent to two kids with Down syndrome, this organization and other local programs have helped us navigate many of the challenges that come with having children with special needs. As much as it can be challenging to raise kids with Down syndrome, it does not define them. That distinction is only one part of who they are. They are just like kids in other kids in many other ways. Savannah loves school. She loves running across finish lines with her parents at trail races and plays tennis with the through the buddy tennis buddies program. Carson loves dancing to music, playing outside in the playground, and watching Seinfeld with his dad. Yes, he watches Seinfeld and even laughs along with it. Having activities and programs for them and others with disabilities to participate in is very important to the community. It gives them an outlet to do things they otherwise may not have the opportunity to do. Supporting city programs such as the adapt adaptive recreation program in Special Olympics is is very beneficial and please continues to support those things. Thank you for your time. Thank you so much for being here. We really appreciate it. I want to shout out to April Wolf. I know you're not in the room, but you probably are watching this council meeting for all the incredible programs that you do at the city of Reno that matter. The ones that you talked about so incredibly important. What do you think, Savannah? No. No. Okay. All right. All right. Thank you so much for being here. Appreciate it. Next, we have Terry Brooks, followed by Rhonda Tissson. [Music] Good morning. It's me, Terry Brooks, again, and today I come here to face the act of discrimination when it comes to race. Some people who consider themselves members of the majority race discriminate against people whom they consider members of a minority race. Such people sometimes consider themselves as superior and then they consider others as inferior. And if such people see one person of the minority do something bad, they often say that all the people of that minority will do something bad. When I hear someone talk like that, I can't help but frown because I know they try to build themselves up by trying to put other people down. Race itself is not traceable to a single gene, just like many human characteristics cannot be traced to a gene. Most anthropologists agree that there is no such thing as race. It's just an excuse for discriminators to try to put others in their place. When it comes to mammals, humans are one of many species. But all humans are members of the very same species. All human beings today who live in this world evolved from tribes that migrated from Africa and eventually colonized the whole world. Today, many of us humans have different colors of skin because when our ancestors traveled the the world, different environments affected the colors of their skin. It is through diversity that all humans have evolved. And diversity is the major factor involved. It's because of diversity that our human species can survive. If it wasn't for diversity, probably none of us would be alive. So instead of trying to discriminate against each other, we need to spend more time trying to benefit from each other. I would like to thank you all for listening to me today. And I look forward to evolving a bit so I can have even more to say. Okay. And that is two. No, that's chapter one. And just so you know, I've only got 45 more chapters to go. Thank you so much, Derek. Thank you all for hanging in there. Love it. Thanks. We have Rhonda Theson followed by Kelly Maxwell. Can I get the overhead? My name is Rhonda Tyson. This is my home 142 days after it was destroyed by the Reno Fire Department. It's been 105 days since I asked this body to conduct an independent investigation to answer the singular question I have and that is was this amount of destruction necessary. It's been 42 days since I advised this body that I was aware that the Reno Fire Department was not in compliance with the Reno Fire Code when it came to my high-rise apartment building. We are now millions of dollars into damage. Today, I found out it's going to be another 8 to 10 weeks before we have elevators in a high-rise. It's going to be another 16 weeks before they can get the equipment to repair the HVAC system in my apartment on top of the 12 weeks it will take to get kitchen cabinets. It's been also 42 days since I asked this body to please dedicate someone from the building department to help us with our permits so that we could get home. To date, I have heard nothing. I ha I was going to come to this meeting anyway, but I have to say when I saw on the agenda that the fire department is asking to expand its scope of services to the airport, not that I want to compare our situations, but I had to feel a little by like the residents of East Palestine who saw the president fly off to Ukraine and they said, "What about us? What about us? If this were your home, would you be satisfied with the non-answers you've received from the city? All I want is to know that Reno is equipped to fight high-rise fires, that the other thousands of residents who live here aren't in the same danger we have. I don't expect you to admit culpability. That's not going to happen. But is it too much to ask for a helping hand so that we can get home? Thank you. Thank you so much. Last time you were here, I thought Chief Cochran met with you. Chief Cochran, we we asked him to. He has not met with us. He made one, in my opinion, cavalier remark to the media in which he said water goes down. If I were on the city council, I would be wanting to know is does our fire department meet the professional standards exhibited by other fire departments in the region and nationwide? Why wasn't it in compliance with the fire code? What effect did that have on the residents at 1200 Riverside Drive? And how can we prevent this from happening again? So expand services to Reno Fire Department if you want, but you ought to take a look at your capabilities of fulfilling the responsibilities you have today. Okay. Thank you so much. And finally, we have Kelly Maxwell. Uh good morning, council and uh Mayor Shivy. Thank you for having me here. Um, my name is Kelly Maxwell. I'm the executive director of Babies Bounty, uh, a nonprofit working in southern Nevada primarily for 15 years. Uh, we're here today to announce our expansion to Wo County. Uh, so we're launching our diaper bank program. Uh, in partnership with uh, Silver Summit Health Plan. Uh, we uh, are launching on Tuesday, March 21st. Uh we've uh received 380,000 diapers to our warehouse here in Sparks and we'll be hosting that first diaper bank event from 9 to 12 uh on March 21st. Uh Devon Ree was uh as Councilman Ree was so kind to uh make introductions to uh some of you here today and also there's an agenda item of B13 uh to support our mission of providing a good start for every baby with $1,000 from the general fund. So, thank you for that consideration. Uh we hope that uh you'll all come out and see our diaper bank event. We're very we're anxious to expand our programming here to Wo County. We know uh that infant supplies are much in need here. Uh so we've been we've provided over two and a half million diapers to families in southern Nevada in diaper banks in Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, and in Henderson. We also have a mobile diaper bank program uh to assist with the rural areas, and we're bringing that same program here. So, we'll have a static diaper bank at our warehouse in Sparks the last Wednesday of every month. And we also have a diaper bank, a mobile diaper bank program that will take those resources out to the rural communities as well. Okay, that's awesome. Thank you. Because diapers are so expensive. They are. They've increased 185% by most brands uh since CO. So, we know the supplies are are much in need for families struggling in poverty, too. Right. We have Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, uh, and Henderson and now here in Wo as well. Okay. And just remind everyone how, um, someone can get in touch with you. So, at babiesbounty.org, they can, uh, register for our future diaper banks, but the one on March 21st, they just, they come from 9 to 12. The address is on the website. It's 1410 Greg Street. Uh, no documentation necessary. They just come on through, receive a week's supply of diapers and wipes. Uh, and we'll be hosting those monthly. And then the uh mobile diaper bank program which will be out at community fairs, community resource events, uh health fairs, things like that, folks can come to those as well. And there's no time limitation. They can come as often as they'd like. Um and uh yeah, we're here to help. Okay. So, if someone wants to donate diapers or donation, they can do that on the website. They can. And we're also uh in conjunction with the RTC, we're hosting a big fill the bus event uh in April. So, that'll be on our website as well. Great. Well, we'll be there. That's awesome. Are you local? We are. So, we're traveling back and forth from Las Vegas, but we do have a team here. Okay. Yeah. Good. Thank you so much. Awesome. Love it. Thank you. That concludes our public comments in the room. For the record, we received six comments which were general in nature or not directly associated with an agenda item prior to 4 p.m. on February 21st. These comments were written correspondents received via our reno.gov online public comment form or by email to our office. Copies of these comments have been distributed to the Reno City Council and are available to the public on the reno.gov meeting portal. They represented three in favor, one in opposition, and one concern. And in addition, we did receive one voicemail which won't be played due to vulgarity, but a transcript of which has been pro distributed to council. And we do have one voicemail to play today. Hello, my name is Kathy Lester. I will like to have a uh message to all the whatever $1 million for cityos. Don't forget low income people has a more opportunity than level little upper senior citizen. We have own home and we have everything but we do not have lots of opportunity as they have. We are pinch to penny every day and see if you can help us to free drop in fee for all the senior centers. So we all have a time to gather. $250 a drop in fee is too much for us. And I understand it $1 going up soon. So please help us. We need free senior centers. Thank you. Thank you. That concludes our public comment and we are ready to move on to item A4, approval of the agenda. All right. Um mayor's asked me to um stand in her spot for a few minutes. So um I'm looking for a motion to approve the agenda, but let me ask our manager, do you have any changes to the agenda? Council member Derer, I do not. Thanks so much. All right. You bet. All right. So, I'm looking for a motion to approve the agenda. Motion to approve. Second. All right. We have a motion and a second. Is there any comment? All right. All in favor, please say I. I. I. Any opposed? All right. Motion passes unanimously. We're going to move on to the consent agenda and we'll be looking for uh requests to remove items from the consent agenda. And I'm going to start to my right with Councilwoman Breas. Yes. I'd like to pull item B7, please. Item B8, please. And item B11. Okay. B7, B8, and B11. All right. Um, Mr. Martinez, nothing on my end, Council. Thank you. All right. Miss Taylor, uh, nothing for me, Councilwoman Dur. All right. Um, Miss Eert, nothing for me. All right. And my item was already pulled, so we're all good. I don't know that the mayor had any items. Do you uh Mr. Reese, do you have any items to Nothing. All right. I'll be looking for a motion to approve the remainder of the consent agenda. May I get that motion? Motion to approve. Second. All right. We have a motion and a second. Is there any comments on the motion? All right. All in favor, please say I. I. I. I. Any opposed? Please say no. No. Okay. We'll move on to item B7 which was pulled by Miss Breus and um that is about um the contract to Spanish Springs Construction for Teglas Paradise Park and this is actually the contract and so Miss Breus. Thank you. Um I'd like a staff report on this one. it can be combined with B8 because they're both related to Teglia Park and we've had a series of items related to Teglia Park and we've also heard a lot of input about the Teglia Park um senior citizen center and the qu and I did on my monthly tour last week um a week before last tooured um Tuglia Park. had been a minute since I'd been out there and I just wanted to orient myself to what improvement we're putting out there because there's a lot going on over in that neighborhood with the Audi Street redevelopment um which is coming along very well. Could you um explain where this is and and what's going on, Mr. Breta? Sure. Absolutely. For the record, Matt Brazina, City of Reno Parks Manager and uh for the city clerk, I did send over a presentation. When did you send that? um was sent over. My apologies. One second as we get the presentation pulled up. You know, um and if you need it, I have an iPad. that you could bring up. I I'm really looking for orientation of it. Um, and you could use that if you wanted to. I know I asked for a map. Here you Here you go. If you you so much bigger than I remember it being. It is. And we're up to how much on this project? Oh, 1.3 million. Uh, just a little over the construction contract we're estimating to be $1.3 million. That puts the project a little over $2 million. Matt, could you talk into the mic? Thank you. Sorry about that. So, I can um Let me ask our staff over here at the clerk's office, will you be able to bring up this presentation or not? Yeah, we will in just one second. Unless you have it. That's why I'm asking. We have it. We just need access granted. If we can get that right now, we can pull it up right now. All right. Why don't we uh move on to item B1 and uh we'll come back to this. So, Miss Breus, while they work out the details, item B1 involves a new scope of services for the fire department. And I just wanted to ask our chief about this and how this fits into our comprehensive audit that we did of the fire department um back in uh uh what was that 2019 the CS CPSM study. It was a performance evaluation of the fire department and it had 32 recommendations. I just wanted to know how this new scope of services of providing fee for services to the airport um because I didn't see it as one of our 32 recommendations for the DEA department. Thank you. And I I apologize if I missed the first part of the question, but I think if I don't answer, just let me know. Um so this was not affiliated with the CPSN report that was done. This is a need at the airport as part of their fire prevention services. We do their inspections the fire prevention inspections when they open a new business with conducted business license. Um after that they have not kept current on their inspections. So this is a mechanism to get them current. Well why don't they do it themselves? Because we have the capacity, we have the staffing and we have the expertise. They could do all that but it' be quite expensive. Um it's part of some ongoing discussion we've been having with them. It is a fee for service. We're not doing it gratuitously. we are going to be charging for our time. Well, the difficulty I'm having is I keep hearing how overtaxed your department is and I also have a very comprehensive study with 32 recommendations um that your department should be following up on. So maybe you're ahead of the game. Number nine was doing a formal risk analysis on cities downtown strip commercial establishment high-rise structures. Have you done that risk analysis yet? We do a regular we have a regular inspection program through our fire prevention bureau that we do. Um we have not done a formal risk analys formal. Okay. Because that was recommendation number nine. And then what about um number 10? A pre-fire planning process for all target hazards and high-risisk commercial projects. Did you do that one yet? We do do that. We have very robust system that takes care of. And then what about 16? An integrated risk management plan that focuses on structure fires in areas of the community. demonstrates the highest risk. Have you completed that risk management plan? We've not been directed to complete a plan. Okay. And what about 24? And I'm I'm really of the 32 recommendations, I am really focused on the ones that to me look like evaluating risk inspections because we're talking about inspections here. And also, we had that, you know, tremendous, you know, problem that happened with the high-rise building over on Boo Street that Miss Tyson just spoke about. Um, and I think it, at least from where I sit, you know, makes me concerned about other parts of the community as we build higher risk buildings. So, higher buildings, taller buildings. So, did you do um did you work with the building department, the planning department, the appraiser, and the finance department to create a master file of inspectable pro properties? Have you created? There is a there is a master file master file of inspectable properties that has existed for years probably decades that we do follow. Okay. But it seems to me and I recall when I read this that they wanted you to go back and you know we had a lot of properties come on the tax roles since then. I think it bears noting that these were recommendations that were never adopted nor were we directed to adopt them all. So well you know three minutes I'm gonna Thank you, Madam Mayor. Other people on the bottom. Yeah. was just going to say I had a question too on this. Go right ahead. Um so Chief, I was just wondering I thought I read that we were going to get um reimbursement for this. Is that correct? We are. And that I believe is in the agenda item title. We have a fully loaded rate that we're charging for the inspections that we're going to be doing. So like I said, this is not gratuitous. This is a fee for service and it's entirely possible that we may come back next budget cycle and say, "Hey, we need an additional inspector." But I think we'll also have the revenue to support that if we if we do. Have you estimated what you expect to collect at this point? No, because we have not been inspecting these properties. So, I Right. But I mean, did they give you an estimate of how many places you need to inspect or what that looks like? Yes, there's there's a couple hundred properties that we need to inspect. Couple hundred properties that are all owned by the airport. Exactly. And just to add a little more detail there, it's not just properties on the airport. What they call outside the fence or outside the airport. Those surrounding properties are owned by the airport and they have not been inspected either. And they haven't been inspected. Correct. Do you think this has gone on for like a decade or probably longer? Longer. Um, and it's really a safety issue because our firefighters are going to be responding to obviously. Yeah. No, I mean it's critical to me that these get inspected and it's astonishing in some ways that we're here, isn't it? Um, I agree. After a couple decades perhaps of not being inspected, a hundred properties, you said a couple hundred properties, but there's at least a hundred properties, it sounds like. Yeah, it's closer to two. And and I can tell you from my regular discussions with our firefighters, they they support this 100%. They they want this done for their own safety and for their own benefit, right? Um well, I'm glad to see it. I'm glad that we're going to get in there. Um I'm astonished that it's this situation and but I'm glad we're stepping up to address it and I'm glad we're getting reimbursement and I hope that you know, you have this fully burdened hourly rate, but I hope we've taken a close look at that and make sure it really does uh pay for the required services in it does. In fact, it includes some administrative overhead as well. So, we've captured all our cost. Okay. All right. Thank you. I don't know if you remember, Councilwoman Der, we also had a meeting on this right before the pandemic. We brought it to council. We did because it was so important. Yes. So, I just wanted to remind everyone. Yep. All right. Any other questions? Councilwoman uh Breus. Yeah. Um, you know, I think when we did this audit, it was very expensive, very comprehensive. the council did adopt it and whether or not it's on your work program or not, you know, it seems like this is on your work program to go do, you know, it's what you decided to do. I guess the airport made a request. Um, but I thought I understood that there's private companies that the airport could contract with to do this and they have their own fire department there, too. They do have their own fire department. They do not They're not private companies that do these type of inspections. Okay. Okay. Well, I am still troubled by this. I want a priority of looking at our own landscape first and seeing these recommendations that absolutely speak to what needed to happen to not have an issue like what happened on Riverside Drive could be, you know, it accomplishing these gets us further from what I understand and I'm problematic about it. Now, you have refused to meet with me on that issue. So maybe you could have brought a little more information to me, but I don't like your department going out and doing fees for service when you've got your own workload that needs to get addressed. What's next? We're going to go out to Story County and and look at the trienter. Are we are we a fee for service department? I don't think so. Um so I don't know. Maybe there was another way that we could have done this by them funding someone and do a joint a very specific contract of them having someone um and bringing the body in through the budget, but I'm not going to support this at this time. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I have a followup, too. Go right ahead. Okay. Thanks. Um just a quick question. Who responds to the offsite airport uh properties when there's a fire? When there's a fire, we will be responding. You respond, not the airport staff. both they will respond they will leave the airport to go respond to their properties now I didn't now you say or before yes because they weren't doing that before we were responding to all these properties that's what I thought I I didn't think the airport firefighters went off site to respond I thought it was all us they've expanded their capability so they're capable of doing that but the depth of resources that we can provide is critical and in terms of priority response we don't respond to county on a priority we but we do respond to the airport so just a quick question do we um charge for those because like if we were responding to another jurisdiction, we would charge after a certain amount of hours, my understanding. Correct. And yes, we were and we will continue to charge the airport for those responses except for the ones that they've taken over on the low-end low priority calls, the activated alarms where there's not an actual fire where they don't need our assistance. But anything where they need our assistance, yes, we will continue to to bill them for that. Okay. So, we are billing and we have been billing for a while, you say? Okay. And I too want to um I'm glad Councilwoman Breis brought up the audit because I think it is important that we we did adopt that to my recollection and I think it's very important to go through that and maybe give us an update or report on where things stand. I I'm fully supportive of where you're going here because I think we're better situated to do the work. But I also say once we're a year in, I think we have to evaluate that and perhaps we do need to request the airport to add staff um and training to bring to have their own fire inspectors, frankly. And I think your points are spot on because that's why we have a short-term contract so we can reevaluate it when it comes due. And that is certainly an option for the airport to take on staff and take on this responsibility. Okay. Oh, that would probably be better than us, you know, continuing to provide that service um and then charging. I mean, it adds a level of complexity that doesn't need to be there, but uh All right. Well, thank you. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Madame Mayor, I have one additional question. Hold on one second. Councilman Ree. Madame Mayor, just briefly, uh thank you, Chief Cochran, uh for uh doing the right thing, right? I mean, at the end of the day, uh we are the Reno Fire Department. The airport is in the city of Reno, and we respond to calls for service. So, it makes sense to me that we would be involved in the inspections. I I don't entirely understand why there's always the pitting of wards against one another or claiming that your inability to uh do the work is related to some Hunger Games style scenario. But for my part, I just thank you for making sure that safety is the number one priority. And if you believe that your folks have the ability to conduct these inspections and to provide for the safety of this community, that is sufficient warrant for me and I am supportive. I appreciate the comments and we do have the capability and safety is always job one for us. So I appreciate your support. Madam Mayor, thank you. Go ahead, Councilman Breers. Um, Miss Stewart's comments made me think of something. I've been reviewing um the massive industrial uh development agreement that the airport authority has with uh the Dermad company. I think it's 6,000 acres, millions of square feet. Will you be inspecting those? Yes, we will. Okay. And you'll be doing the annual inspections on those. that is since they don't exist. It's not uh specifically included our in our agreement but I think when we that comes up for reevaluation and as those properties are developed that yeah we will be having those conversations. Will those properties when airport develops on land that they own do they permit through our building department and pay those fees with the caveat that I that's not in my wheelhouse. I believe that's what happens. Yes. What do you know about that Mr. Manager? If ver Dermody comes in and builds a 500,000 square foot warehouse building on airport land, do they pay the planning fees and all those ones that are associated with that? The fire marshall tells me that yes, they they do play the they do pay the planning fees. Yes, this is her. Okay. So part of that is fire inspection. One minute. So then is this agreement involved in that? Well, do they, as I said, for new businesses, we inspect and we charge our fees. So it's just the annual fees. You'll go out to dermades for annual fees, annual inspections then on their warehouse buildings. But how's that differ then from the inspections you do for business licenses within the city of Reno? They're part and parcel of the same thing. A new project is inspected by us, whether it's a business license, warehouse, whatever the condition. If it impacts fire code, we inspect it and we charge the appropriate fees. Okay. So, first of all, I want to say thank you, but I want to remind everyone the airport is in the city of Reno, 100% surrounded by Reno. So, it's important that we're supportive that they have services, period. To me, it's about saving lives. I don't think people care what color that fire apparatus is that shows up. Um, I it has been no secret that I have been incredibly frustrated with the makeup on this issue over at the airport. Um, I have had meetings with them. I'm a little disappointed that it's taken this long. Um, something that I think needs to be completely reworked. We have representatives over there that I have expressed my concern to and um, I think, you know, Naomi's point, but all of us, I've been following this closely. Um, it it really needs a full overhaul. And to be honest with you, we should all be one fire department. It shouldn't be um the airport versus Reno fire. So agree 100%. If truly we want the best service for the citizens and the safety, it needs to be under one completely because I think what's happened is when they have their silos, they go and do what they want. And this is a clear indication of that with these buildings. And if you know anything about me, I'm very very serious and passionate when it comes to fire. And so this is a step in the right direction, but I also think it's important to uh support a regional approach and one approach because that's why you will see the issues because you have them saying no, this is our domain. This is your domain and it can't be like that. It's politics at its finest. So that's that needs to stop. Um I want to commend our firefighters who have done a tremendous job over there and navigating some very difficult waters. But to me the reason why, you know, I'm I'm not happy right now is it's taken way too long to get here. But I want to say thank you Chief Cochran for your leadership. Um Casey Mcome for your leadership. Dan Tapia for your leadership. But it needs to be a full-blown regional approach. I agree and I experience the same frustration with the delay gets taken out of it and so we will continue to have those conversations but um I think people get tired of conversations. It's time to act. So thank you. Really appreciate it. Okay. With that being said, uh may I get a motion? Yeah, I have a motion to approve this agenda item. All right. Thank you so much. I have a motion. Second. I have a second. Madame Mayor, I'd like to make a com I'd like to interject. Um, you know, I don't think one minute. Oh, thank you. And for those who are I know we have a lot of folks. We we keep a real tight time agenda on how much any council member can talk on any item. Um, I'm not going to support I don't think this is a poor idea, but we keep hearing how stretched our fire department is, you know, the runs and we have this audit and things are not getting done. And I think the Everport is important. when you go into the coffee kiosk, you want to make sure that you know they're not going to their grease pad, you know, whatever in that little kiosk is doing well. But heads and beds are important, too, Madame Mayor. I don't think it's a regional thing. I think it is a making sure our house is in order and our house is not in order in my perspective when it comes to responses to highrises where heads are in beds. And I'm very concerned about that. So with that, I'll vote no so time can be put into the other tasks that this council adopted in 2019 for the fire department to do. Thank you. Well, let me I just want to say thank you for your comments, Councilwoman Breus, but our house also needs to be safe and we are all one house and that's part of the problem whenever you have the us and them. So all of us need to be safe. That is our house. All of us. So thank you council breakfast. But that's how um I I see it. It's all our house and it also is the safety of our firemen and women that go in there every day and that's something that we owe to them and to the public. So that's why I am absolutely supporting this. All right. So I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. I. I. All those opposed? Opposed. Motion carries. Thank you. All right, Mr. Clerk. Okay. And we do have the uh presentation available now for items B, seven, and eight. Thank you, council. Madame Mayor, sorry for the brief technical uh issues that I had. Um my name is Matt Brazina, city of Reno parks manager, and I do have a brief presentation regarding the uh Paradise Park um restroom and playground improvement project if you'd like to see it. So I do have two agenda items to bring before you today. Um both regarding the improvements for Tegalia's Paradise Park. Um I will give a brief overview and background first. Um starting with this slide which shows a an overview of Teglas Paradise Park. You can see the four ponds um spread throughout the park. The activity center is um located underneath the words Teglius Paradise Park and then the proposed project site is located in the upper leftand corner of the map which is the shaded blue area. Uh Teglas Paradise Park is a 38 acre park located in northeast Reno at the corner of Audi Boulevard and El Rancho Drive. And um some of the recent park improvement projects are encompassed on this slide. Uh most notably the pathway improvements that we conducted in 2017, the installation of two lighted mini pitch footsall courts in 2021. The activity center received a new roof and exterior paint job in 2022. And then we are currently in the process of installing automatic entry gates for three of the parking lot entrances at the park. Um this summer we will see a new mural on the activity center as well as RTC is conducting a um pavement and roadway reconstruction of Audi Wells which impacts the north side of Teglius Paradise Park. And with that, we will see improved landscaping and irrigation, as well as a new decorative steel fence and an a pedestrian entry gate that will be located just north of the playground to allow access to the business district to the north. Um, also going on at Paradise Park, um staff have just initiated a comprehensive master plan for the entire park and uh the associated facilities. So that just started in February of this year and um we are hopeful to see a finished product master master plan by the end of 2023. The the project timeline for this um project that I'm here to speak about started back in May of 2022 when the CDBG uh accepted the recommendation for projects um for the surplus of the CDBG funding for fiscal year 22 23. Um council adopted the city budget and after the adoption staff immediately reached out to Exerlay, a playground manufacturer to get two options for the playgrounds uh which we then conducted an online survey and held a public meeting uh to gain public input. Um following the input process, staff brought both council or both agenda items to council for approval to purchase both the playground and the restroom equipment. And then um since the approvals in August, staff have been working on the implementation plan and um the full construction set which we then put out to bid in January of this year. Um the city received two responsible bids u with the lowest responsible bid going to Spanish Springs Construction, which I will talk about shortly. Um, should the contract be approved today, uh, construction will begin in early March of this year and then we estimate completion in July of 2023. Shown before you here is the restroom building that we purchased. Um, we're happy to say that we purchased from a local manufacturer out of mind, Nevada, and um, that being public restroom company. The unit is a multiple stall ad full ADA accessible restroom unit with timed entry locking system which means that the the restroom will shut down and lock on its own um to reflect the park hours and and reducing the the need for staff to respond to the to the park in person. Shown before you here is um the current state of the playground minus the snow that we received last night. Um, as you can see, there's a lot of open space, uh, unused area, and, um, the site is currently not ADA accessible. Um, there is an abundance of old playground equipment that is no longer functionable or usable. And so, we intend to install the new, um, newly purchased custom playground equipment that you see here. Um, this playground equipment includes multiple structures, um, a pair of zip lines, a ninja warrior style fitness course, and then multiple other spinners and, uh, climbers. Um, item B7 today is the award of contract for the installation of the playground and the restroom facilities uh to Spanish Springs construction in the amount of $1,322,900. Uh this will include the demolition of the existing park site. Uh preparation for the the installation of the restroom unit which includes um the relocation of some of the utilities as well as the installation of the playground, the playground structure, um safety surfacing associated. Uh the installation of all the the playground amenities and park amenities that are going to be surrounding the playground, including new sidewalks, benches, picnic tables, and uh standalone shade structures. There will also be upgraded landscaping and a protective fence that will be located between the playground and the parking lot. Um the second item that I'm bringing to you as well today is the approval approval of additional funding to be used for this project. Um $1.485 million was originally originally approved um to be used out of the CDBG funds for fiscal year 2223. And then after the um the plan design and the outsourced bidding process, the estimated project cost is $2,81,000. Uh leaving us with a difference of right around uh $600,000 that we uh request to be filled with the residential construction tax district 3 funding. And with that, I have the recommended motions in front of you. Um I'd be happy to answer any questions that you might have. All right. Thanks. so much, Matt. Great job. All right, I'm going to open up to the body. Go ahead, Councilwoman Der. Yeah, thank you uh for pulling this. I would have pulled it as well. Um my first question I talked to you uh earlier, Matt, was I wanted to understand the total all-in cost. Now, on a previous slide, you had 2 something million, but on this slide, it's only 1.9. So, I'm just wondering, you say previously approved 1.4. I'm having a hard time just squaring up the numbers. Can you help me? Sure. Originally, there was $1.485 million of CDBG funding available. Okay. Um after the design and the equipment purchasing, we are estimating or we're confident that the the total project cost will be a little over $2 million, which is the 2081. Um with that, the difference is just under $600,000. So, right. But I mean, so did we you said the planning and and so on. Was that how much was that? 200,000 or something. Um the the construction design was just under $100,000 I believe right around 95,000. Okay. So that was previously approved. So the total all-in cost is this 2.1 essentially and this one has the 1.9. So the two is the total cost for the project. Yes. 2 million 81,000 is the total cost. So my next question is on your um restroom and I don't know if you could go back to that slide. Does that include a um a place to fill bottles? I saw drinking fountains, but I didn't know if that was a bottle fill station, too. I believe that we did include the bottle fill station in in this. Will you make sure because I think it's critical. We want to encourage people to fill their own bottles and plain, you know, makes people thirsty. So, I think that'd be a really simple good ad. Sure. Um number two, uh on this list is you mentioned upgraded landscaping. Does that include trees? That does include trees. Okay. Um so currently there are five trees that need to be removed. Um all those are in poor condition and are in the proposed playground site. Um with the removal of the five, we are incorporating 17 new trees. So we'll have a net gain of 12 trees at the site. Could you go back on the PowerPoint to the picture of the layout of the playground equipment? My concern here is that what we've observed, we've been having to go to every park and retrofit putting trees around this black rubber pavement which gets very hot and ma basically makes it so you can't use this in the afternoon and summers. I mean, it's just too hot. So, I think that we have to make sure that they're planning correctly and that they probably at least on three sides surround this um playground area and with big shade species. And so is Mack going to be involved in that or is this an outside outsourced late um landscape company or what is it was an outsourced um landscape architect. However, we did get uh input through internal staff. So Matt Basil gave his input on the tree selection as well as our horiculturist Ryan Sher. Okay. Because I just want to make sure that they're not planted five years later. I want to make sure that we do not get the COO and pay them until the trees are planted and that we have a one-year at least guarantee on success on the trees like they do at Moana and other nurseries so that we know these trees are going to live. Okay. And they have to replace them if they don't. Yes. The landscape should be installed this summer and um and they do come with a one-year warranty. Okay. All right. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Right. Thank you, Councilwoman. All right. Counciloman Breus. Thank you. Uh, you know, I I had some broader questions about Teglia Park, but I do want to ask because I was on the CDBG committee when this first came out, and we keep talking about shade at these parks, and I'm not seeing any shade um for people who aren't doing the play, you know, activity under that uh canopy. And you know, people who take people who are going to play on the park, um, like caregivers, parents, grandparents, whoever, they don't want to be running around like the little kids. They just don't have that kind of energy. So, I've made a real big um, you know, push for seating areas around the parks. And I'm not seeing any seating areas. And they have seating areas that have like a canopy over them, so you're not sitting there where the black is, you know, the rubber is coming off to you. and the the shade that is closest are those trees and that's a little bit further away. So, I'm a little um you know, I feel like that concept just didn't get through or didn't progress that we need seating areas around these uh tots because they really are for you know even at 16 17 people are going to age out of those and so anyone taking someone there is just not going to be running around like the little kids are. That's why you take kids to parks to get their energy out. So, that's point number one and and a concern. But really, my other concern was that 23,000 to do that master plan. Is that part of this money or was that other money that came came throughout? Do you remember where that 23,000 came from? Yes. So, um to answer your first question, thank you for that. Um we did take your input to heart uh regarding the shade in previous meetings and um I should have mentioned earlier this diagram just depicts the playground design um from the manufacturer. So it only includes the equipment. We did incorporate uh two individual shade structures that will go on the east and west of the playground and then a multitude of of covered benches and picnic tables. What's is it what's the surface outside of the play area? Is it the sur the surface outside of the play area will be a mix of um shrubbery and landscaping and then also some turf will be included back in. Okay. And then the actual play surface we um we switched from or changed from this design and actually um incorporated some tan and light blue color. So So the color should help out with Okay. Okay. And and what about the the master plan is really my focus. Um because in my review I realized how large it is. Where did that is that money? Where'd you get the money for the Where's the plan? Oh, the then Oh, 100,000. Where'd you get that money? Was that a budget item that we did? That is a that came from the general fund um contingency. Did we approve that? We must have because we approve comes to council because it did not meet the threshold for purchasing. Yeah. Let's let's get an answer. Let's get some finance feedback when the when the contingency is tapped. Um I think that's important. You know, helps us understand because you know we we are the budget. Draw downs on the contingency I think should be reported to the council. Madame mayor, I didn't get through all my questions. So my three minutes are over. Yes, I'll come back to you. No worries. Okay. Any other questions? I have one, but maybe Mr. Reese. Councilwoman Der. I'll go to Councilman Ree and then back to Council. Okay. Um, I just want to make a note. I appreciate the 17 trees map, but I want to just say that we recently planted 60 trees at another park that is much smaller than this park. And I'm not really sure 17 is going to get it done. It sounds like a lot, but when you think we planted 60 trees in two hours at another park, I mean, with volunteer labor, the trees themselves aren't that costly. I just want to make sure I know you need spaces to do soccer, whatever, but I want to make sure we have enough. I'm not sure it's going to get it done. So, could you take another look at that? I don't want to have to come back and do separate whole tree planting when we could get it done right now. Absolutely. And um to be clear, the um the 17 trees is just incorporated around the immediate playground. So, there's only um so many trees you can fit within the project area and we can definitely look at incorporating more trees. And last thing, um I've put my hand on those lighter rubber things and they're still hot. The white ones, there's a gray one. Um it's surprising. You said it should, but I mean I would love to see us actually get some data from those surfaces like at the other parks and make sure this is the right answer. Okay. I mean it may be the best answer that we have right now, but I don't know if it truly is. If there's even a different way to go. Sure, we can figure. It's still pretty hot. Okay. Thanks. That's it. All right, Councilman Ree. Madame Mayor, I'm just excited for Matt and his team to keep doing the good work that they're doing. So awesome projects all and I can't wait to see uh Paradise Park really become the jewel of that part of town and and all of Reno quite frankly. Okay, thank you so much. Um quick question and you might not know this, Matt. Um I'm really interested in the RTC project. Do you know what that's projected to cost? Uh I'm I'm not confident on the cost of the RTC project. I just know um what is going to impact Paradise Park at this at this point. um just because I'd like to see more cycle tracks um RTC implementing them. And so at our next meeting, I'm going going to ask them to implement um sort of a cycling advisory board to get these in all the parks and also get a dedicated funding source just specifically for bicycling. Um but I I do think that they should come and show the other projects that once they you know sort of come to fru well they get approved that um we kind of have an idea so that we know that they are truly happening right and that they are dedicated that those funding sources. I think that that's important to work in conjunction with you. So, um, if you could, would you reach out to them and find out, uh, what that looks like, time frame, and how much money because I have not seen that on our agenda yet, but very supportive, but want to make sure that they follow through with what their intentions are. Sure. Okay. Councilman Brees, go ahead. Thank you, Madam Mayor. You know, she brought up a good point. Um, and I went by there uh yesterday, and they are putting those sound walls right up adjacent to the parking lot that it looks like the one that serves this park area. And I think that will be an improvement. But I want back back to the well, first of all, the activity center mural. Where did that idea come from? Who whose idea was that? The arts and culture division or or commission. The division. Okay. You know, here's my thinking. And now that I'm on the arts and culture, Leah Zelen, I'm thinking on is it goes on what we call the senior citizen place, right? I think that should hold until we get the master plan. I mean, I look at those beautiful ponds and I think, well, why don't we have an art piece in one of the ponds like we have in other parks? So, I'd like to give that input when we have the input on the master plan. Likewise, on the master plan, um, I want to understand what people's feelings are about there. We can put all the money we can, we are, but if people are saying they don't feel safe there, then we've got programmatic issues. Is the ranger there? Is a police patrol there every day? Let's get let's let's you know I'm hoping I haven't seen the scope because it came out of contingency. Um but I want to see the scope and understand the process to identify that master plan because I think this is an area that is seeing some very good private investment in real estate and our public investment I think is really going to work toward making this a a very dynamic part of town and I'm very excited about it. I also think when we do our public input, everything should be on the table for Teglia Park, but we really under need to understand current uses. I I've sat I was leaison in the parks commission for a long time. They do not want to DNX parkland ever, but you know, we've have a surplus of land there. Maybe that could be dedicated towards some housing or something like that. And we have to figure out, in my view, what we're doing with that senior citizen center. can't be one council member here, you know, proposing something or one group's talking to someone. We need through this park planning process to understand what the community works, you know, Bernice Matthews interests there too and so on. So, um, you're going to get us a schedule of that parks plan and and the input sessions and all that. Yes, absolutely. Okay, great. Thank you very much. Well, I I'm fine moving forward with this, but I'm going to be speaking at the Arts and Culture Commission that I think we need to kind of hold on a mural because what if through the master plan we decide we're not going to have the activity center, you know? So, anyway, thank you. Okay, Madame Mayor, a final comment um before I head to you. Yeah, Councilwoman, she's being so quiet over there, so I apologize. Go ahead, Councilwoman. Um I had a question on the playground equipment. If we can go back to that. Sure. And I know you said this is not exactly what we're getting, but is this play equipment what we're going to get? Basically, this is the the design of the playground equipment. Yes. Um there are some minor adjustments. Is any of this equipment um ADA accessible? It is. That was a top priority for us. So when we reached out, we we made sure that they provided us with fully ADA ADA accessible equipment. Okay. Um, so the the zip lines and the spinners, those are those are all fully accessible. A zipline is Yes. Um, so the zipline that's proposed there does have a bucket seat. So, um, the parents can place the child in the bucket seat and they can All right. Thank you. Okay. Yur. And then I think you go ahead. Okay. Just real quickly. Um, just a word on the art. My understanding is we have a 2% of capital improvements. We're spending 2 million. So, I think we're looking at $40,000 in art investment actually preferably in this park. So, just to address that issue, that's a ordinance that we have. Secondly, on the senior center, which is why one reason I wanted to pull this was I want to make sure I I I am concerned that we have almost a self-fulfilling prophecy. So during COVID, we reduced in-person activities uh in enclosed spaces, we reduced programming, we didn't have the staffing, etc. And then it strikes me that we use that as a rationale. Well, it's not being used very much. Therefore, we should use it for something else. And I've seen this happen with the NABs. Like um the building where the NAB is going to be held is locked. The meeting is canceled. They say, "Well, they canceled two or three meetings last year. We don't need a NAB." I I don't we we base a decision on I think somewhat faulty data and I want to make sure that in your park planning process that we account for that. It's like accounting for the variables and going back to maybe before COVID how was the senior center or the park being used then? Um what was the programming like because less programming we're going to have less attendance and then you'll say well we don't have very many seniors coming well we don't really need this. So, so that's the concern I have about that dynamic about sort of creating an environment and then making a dis different decision based on you know not very representational data. So I I want to caution you and I want to make sure that we account for that variable maybe go back before COVID when you're doing this analysis. So thank you. Hi this is Carl Hall. Can I just uh remind council that we need to stay on the agenda. So we're kind of getting off the agenda here. So please stay focused on the specific comment was on the master plan. So, I'm just being clear. That's $100,000 at this project. All right, we're good to go. Anyone else on council? Seeing that there are none, I'm going to send it over to Councilman Martinez, I believe. Yes, you're it's your motion. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. Um, sorry, I'm looking for the wording right here. Okay. So, I move to approve staff recommendation for these two items, B7 and B8. Okay. Second. I have a I have a motion. I have a second. All those in favor say I. I. I. All those opposed. Motion carries unanimously. All right. Thank you, Matt. Great job. Thank you. If we're ready to move forward, we'll open up item C1. [Music] Okay. And then Good. How are you doing? All right, Mr. Clerk, let the record reflect that the city council is opening the public hearing. Was proper notice given and any correspondence received. Uh, madame mayor, proper notice was given and we do have uh public comment. All right, going. And I'm going to go ahead and read this ordinance introduction. Okay. Go go go right ahead. And can we open uh C1, C2, and C3? All right. Let the record reflect. We will open C1, C2, C3. Was proper notice given. Any correspondence received? Madame Mayor, uh, proper notice was given and, uh, we do have three written correspondents received which were directly associated with the agendum, the agenda item received prior to 4 p.m. on February 21st. Um, those items were written correspondence received uh, via our reno.gov online public comment portal and distributed to city council. Okay. Thank you so much. Hold on one second because I've got I've got an agenda sort of jumping around a little bit. So hold on, M. Mr. Clerk, I almost called you Madam Chief. Okay. So, I actually I'm so sorry, uh, M Mr. Clerk. I am going to actually move an agenda item around because they have to catch a flight and I understand that taking these three items together could take a lot longer than we anticipate. So I need to get them out of the room. So, what I'd like to do is actually jump to item D2 and then we will come back the C1, C2, and C3 attorney Carl Hall. Is that okay? Okay. All right. So, I I apologize. That's okay. We will we will jump back to that. So, let's jump to D2. Okay. Opening item D2. Okay. So at this time this is going to be a presentation discussion and acceptance potential acceptance on direction to staff regarding the downtown management company marketing plan and annual operating budget and capital improvement plan for the ballroom facility fiscal year of December 31st, 2023. Mr. Clerk, do you have any public comment on this item? No, we don't on this item. Okay. All right, then. I'm going to let you take it away. And I also know that we have um some representatives from Caesar's Entertainment and the RSCBA here. So, after your presentation, um I'm going to call them up as well. Okay, perfect. Okay, go right ahead. Good morning, Madame Mayor and Council members. Vicky Van Beern, director of finance for the record. Before you today is a presentation and discussion of the annual operating budget and capital improvement plan for the ballroom facility. And it's for a calendar year. They work on a calendar year. So it will be through this December 31st of 2023. The Reno Ballroom opened in February of 2008 and it consists of almost 28,000 square feet of meeting and trade room space. Council approved the amended management agreement in December of 2011 and the agreement had an initial term of five years and can automatically extend for three additional 5-year terms. So if it goes the whole length, it would end in 2031. This agreement provides for the marketing plan, the annual operating budget, and the capital improvement plan. And it has to be improved each year by council. So every year they come back um to council and bring this. They submit these items through finance. We go ahead and review the annual financials and then we uh prepare the staff report and such for council. For 2022, there was a net profit of 30 391,155 and there were capital expenditures of 45,437. The balance in the capital account as of December is 511,000 and 5 511439. For 2023, the estimated net profit, so that would be for this current year that they're would be talking about would be 368,000 approximately. And the capital expenditures are estimated to be 105,000. And on the list, they have some audiovisisual equipment and signage that they're proposing. Representatives from the management company from Caesars are here and they're available to answer any questions. Thank you so much. Um, I know that we have Mr. Corano in the back. Would you like to come up at all or you I mean, you don't have to come up unless questions are asked or anything like that. I actually see Rick Murdoch is here and I would love for you to also talk a little bit about what's happening downtown. Yeah, come on up. Thank you. It's freezing out there. I know it's my fault. Everything's my fault. So, you can blame me. Sun's out, though. Okay. I'm taking credit for that, though. Yeah. I I'm just really here to introduce, you know, the Caesar's team. I'm sorry. Could you state your name for the record? Oh, I'm sorry. Rick Murdoch. Thank you. With the with Caesar's Entertainment for about 44 years. So, Okay. Thank you. Good morning, Madame Mayor, Council. Thank you. I want to introduce, you know, Ken. He is the senior VP and president of Caesar's Entertainment for the Row and Brian Corano who is our director of finance. Um, and they're going to present the numbers and talk a little bit about what we're doing in downtown Reno. We've got a lot of things going on, a lot of positives besides just the ballroom. Everybody thinks, "Oh gosh, the row runs the ballroom," but we do a lot more than that. And I think we're going to get some of that to you today so you really know what we really do. And uh, with that, I'll turn it over to Brian and Ken. And just to remind everyone, we have this presentation annually. Hello. Have you been here before, Ken? I can't remember. You know, this will be my first time for council chamber. So, thank you very, very much for having me. It's truly Welcome to Reno. Reno. No, I I truly love it and it's and it is an honor to be here. I I really do mean I'm glad I last year I had to do this in Zoom. It's great to be able to do it in person. with with me is our director of finance, Brian Carano. Uh I think uh Vicki hit all all the things he was going to talk about, so he's got nothing left to say other than wave. You know, she's that good. She's that good. So, she did do that. But uh um I just wanted to take a moment um thank you and everyone for your support um throughout this year. You know, Caesar's Entertainment and the Row are dedicated to see the city thrive. Um and that's really what we our goal is here to um you know, the ballroom is just one small piece of it. Um, but the goal is for us to be able to be partners, collaborative, and work in any way possible to make it continue to thrive. Um, 2020 uh2 was a remarkable year. Uh, we've seen three years of losses. Um, but then last year, I don't know what changed. I I wish I could take credit as the general manager, but you it was not me. It was uh we had a little bit we had a little bit of pent up demand and ended up uh resulting in a record year. Our previous record year was in 2019 of 240,000 in profit, but at 393,000 in profit is truly remarkable and is a testament to the team and the efforts that they've put forward. This upcoming year is pretty exciting as well. In 2022, as a point of perspective, we've booked um 40 uh just over uh uh 50 uh events, 51 to be exactly, and we have 43 events booked now in midFebruary with the remaining of the year to go. So, we feel confident we'll be able to uh to continue to push forward and and beat that number from the current year. Um, and the ballroom's just one piece of it. As I mentioned, we're we're very active and excited about further uh activating all of downtown, including the bowling stadiums. We have new we have additional years in the bowlers. We have additional concerts coming to the RECC. We just we have a packed march uh which we're super excited about. As everybody knows, we have um Reeba McIntyre coming down the REC. will be activating the space right in front of the ballroom with a block party for pre-event. So, uh be working hopefully be submitting our permits soon to uh to close the streets down and submit that. But um long story short, I guess what I want to be able to say is is that you know we're here for the city of Reno as a partner and a collaborator. Um and happy to answer any questions. And you have a new events marketing. I don't know if we call him director but doing the um the bowling stadium which is really exciting. So he's creating all the synergy that's happening. Absolutely. And so he his his he will play his cars perfectly. I'm very excited to see some of the things that we hopefully able to pull from other markets and bring on to Reno. And I appreciate your support in that because I know it's something that we have worked on getting the RCVA to the table to do that for far too long and because of your leadership that was able to happen. So thank you very very much. My pleasure. And sir, could you state your name for the record as well? Absolutely. I apologize. You know, I I heard you ask Rick, but I just So, it's Ken Austin. I'm the senior vice president, general manager for the row at Caesars's Entertainment. Okay, I'm going to open up to the body for questions. Any questions? See, we're we're easy. And and council members of I'm happy to talk about anything at any time. Um I'm I'm always my door is always open. Don't hesitate to reach out. Um, you know, my goal is to make sure that we all work together and find the best way to make Reno thrive. Okay. I have a question. Absolutely. Go ahead, council. You've encouraged me. Three minutes. Um, so I guess mine is not so much about the ballroom. Uh, congratulations on the performance. That's must thrill you. Um, and I it does us. Um, my question is that we have this huge placemaking study underway and tomorrow is the uh final report from the consultants. I know that they have reached out to individual stakeholders. I have to imagine you're one. Um, one of the things that many of us have talked about for a long time is opening up your walls um and potentially putting in um whether it's shops or coffee shops or or um small kiosks or whatever it is to create some um activation on the street and to get people um you know potentially walk into a quote Starbucks or whatever and then continue walking into your casino. Um is that a reality? I mean, are you actually amendable to that at this point? Yeah. So, I I I want to say first and foremost, um we have been actively involved um with uh uh Amy Pennington as well as the Gail group to uh make sure that we're collaborating with them. We've met with them twice already um to talk about and hear their thoughts. The great news is is that we, you know, we don't come in with a um a set plan. We're here to work together to come up with the best way to make it thrive. Um they I we are going to be come down tomorrow because we know some of the things that they're going to share. Um we've responded that we are very favorable of all the things they're recommending. Um and am happy to continue to discuss opportunities to uh to open up and make uh this Virginia Street and our forefront as active as possible. Okay. Well, I guess I'll follow on. Um, I saw a preliminary view of what Virginia Street might look like um in your general area and um it looked like there were some fairly um designated bike lanes potentially. It was just one draft. I think they're still considering many drafts, but what I was re what I noted was that the artist drew in a lot of trees that were bigger. And what that's going to involve is um tearing up the street and putting in what we call silver cells in order to have enough soil and water underneath the all the hardscape to actually allow these trees to grow. And I know I'm sure you're a welltraveled fellow and I try to be and wherever I go, whatever town I am, the areas that draw us are those that are shaded, that have create a sense of ambiance. It's not just you're walking by, but you're stopping. And I I want to make sure it's going to cost some money. you know, it probably would be right outside your door. Um, it might involve a double row of trees. We actually, uh, the manager and I looked at that. Um, so I just I want to hear I hope I hear that you're supportive of that. I know that you have planted trees down by the parking lot, the garage. Um, but this is going to take some more, you know, and I just wanted to put that out there. Um, we're one of the fastest warming cities in America. Um and if so if that you know the the it's supposed to enhance economic development by at least 15% just having a shady space to sit or hang out or visit. They have done all kind of economic studies in addition to cleaning the air and um preventing um the heat aggregation that we see. So I just wanted to put out a marker there. I hope you'll join us in this. Um it will take some funding but it is worth it in the end. Yeah. No, listen. I uh simply put as I can say, anything that helps um Virginia Street thrive will only help us as well. And so we as an organization um are supportive of finding the best path forward um whatever that may be. Do I know that path? I I really don't. And uh uh while I'm not a designer, um you know, I uh I run businesses. Um, but I am happy to be able to look at all options and we're a large organizations and people who are designers will will probably give their two cents and thoughts on what they think the best options are. Um, but we want to be partners. So, great. So, no. Well, thank you for that. I just wanted to go on the record. Thank you. I'm going to cut you off. No, I'm done. I just wanted to thank All right. Any other questions? Council member Ree has his hand up. Okay. Go ahead, Councilman Ree. And then, uh, Mr. Rick Marduk, any parting words from our CVA side and downtown side? Come on up. Go ahead. Uh, Councilman Ree. Sorry. Thank you, Madam Mayor. And I'll be brief. I I just simply wanted to express my thanks to the Corono family and Mr. Murdoch especially. I it's it gives me a tremendous sense of pride when I know that Caesar's Entertainment, one of the global leaders in this industry, is is a Reno based company and a family-owned company. I I understand it's publicly traded and all that, but it still is something where I travel and see uh you know the Caesar's name and and really gives me a great deal of pride to know that uh that's something that we can be very proud of as the city of Reno. Um every year as you make this presentation, you know, we're looking for the same things that every city I think is looking for. We want engagement, activation of our city streets, our roadways. We want um conventions and entertainment to be here and I believe that you have allowed us to elevate uh what Reno is capable of and I'm looking forward to the future. We have a number of partnerships including the downtown Reno business improvement district and a number of things that we're working on collaboratively and I think it's always a welcome opportunity to revisit what makes a city successful and thrive and I think one of the things that makes a successful city is having partners who share the same vision. So thank you for that. I know the mayor is leading the charge at the RSCVA with help uh and also knowing that regionally uh we have great ways in which we can continue to be the biggest little city but also take time to know that we have historical roots here. So thank you again to the Krono family and to Mr. Murdoch. I appreciate you. It's been a a privilege getting to work with Brian on a number of the internal committees as well. And so again, my thanks to all of you and and let's just keep sharing that positive vision for Reno. All right. Thank you, Councilman. Go ahead, Mr. Murdoch. Thank you, uh, Rick Murdoch for the record. Again, thank you. Um, interesting. You know, I sit on the I work for obviously the Caesars and I am on the RCBA. I am also on ENCOT. I'm a I'm a commissioner on the Nevada Commission on Tourism appointed by Governor Sislac. hopefully be reappointed by the other governor. But I I'm a downtown Northern Nevada guy, but when you sit on that commission, you know, you're for the region. So, it's been interesting. So, I wear a lot of hats and I wanted to let you know that we're always fighting for downtown or anybody that's in Northern Nevada. That's what we do on the Commission on Tourism. What's interesting is there's about seven points I just really wanted to make on bowling because I think we really need to uh clarify how what we've done as a collaborative the city. Caesar's Entertainment itself is now paying up to $30 $20 per bowler plus 10 back to the RCBA for a room night. Um just so you know we pay that. the RCBA doesn't Caesars does on top of a site fee that the RCBA pays as well that gets reimbursed back to RCBA from your linage in your building. So something that you you just need to know those things. I think a lot of people don't understand that this bowling stadium what it really does. It's right now as we sit from 212 to 221 that bowling stadium has made an impact of $455 million. Each bowling congress that's coming in, the one this year is a $70 million impact in this community. Tourism is what we pays our taxes. I hope we all realize that and I know you all do and it's important to keep that bowling stadium is thriving. We just signed the women to a a new agreement. We have four years of bowlers of the biggest conventions in the United States. The men will be 50,000. The women will be about uh probably 15 to 20,000. But the room nights generated by the men alone are 75,000 room nights in this community. Not always staying at the row, staying everywhere else. You also have compression is what we call it in our industry. When the row does this, when you bring in Reva McIntyre or you bring in the bowlers, it compresses the market. So everybody lifts the room tax, which comes back to all of us. and everybody lifts and fills their buildings because we're compressing and bringing business in to to lift the boats. All boats float high when we're bringing business to this downtown. We need downtown to be it's at the top of its game right now. We're moving in the right direction. Um in four years it'll be a $200 million impact. Those four events having four bowling events combined in four years. 200 million. I mean, we're lucky to have that bowling stadium and I I I think everybody just What does it do? What is it doing? It's doing it. We also are in contact with the university. We've got esports. We're looking at the bowling stadium changing out the hall of fame to a new esports center. University is coming down. This will also help the ballroom, also help the RECC. Got a lot of opportunity. Um, I think again we also fund the search charge which I think the council knows that $2. We're the we're our group downtown funds $3. The other group funds two uh south all the other properties but they don't that doesn't come downtown. Our money stays downtown for you for us to use for capex and a mile radius around downtown. So we pay a lot that I don't think everybody realizes how much money is coming back from us from every and and again it's not just us. It's the RCBA. It's all of us together making this money come back. And I just want to say one last thing. Tourism is the number one thing. We need to make it easy to do good tourism in this city. We need to keep the streets safe. We need to keep people moving. We need to find homes for for for the homeless and and make sure we can do business. So we won't we got to stay fresh. One more thing. If you don't have the bowlers, you don't have airport getting all those reservations. We're fighting for air service every day as our community needs it. Everybody's always saying why is that flight canceled? Why is this? We've got to get better at it. And the more business we book like this, the better the airport thrives too as well. A lot of jobs for everybody. So thank you. Thank you. I think you make such great points. Why is it so important that we all want tourism and gaming to succeed? And that's one of the things that one of the reasons why a lot of people live in the state of Nevada, right? The the the welcoming tax base, right? So, it's really important. Um, and it's our number one industry. We want to do whatever it takes to make it successful because then it helps all of us. Um, to your point, so I think you made some some excellent excellent points. I've never seen this much interest too um on that side of the street. There's a lot of energy. Things are happening. I want to remind the public too um that it was open to the public for National Bowling Day, I think they called it, and it was just a huge huge success. And so, we want to continue to promote local events being in there and the general public as well. And thanks to your leadership that's happening. And I also want to commend Mr. Murdoch because quite honestly um and I've not been shy about this but you have been very very instrumental in helping downtown get its fair share whenever it comes to the RCBA because that board can get very very territorial and honestly if you think about it most of the room nights are generated where downtown. So, we need to rem So, I need help over there and I really appreciate um you advocating for downtown Reno and the city of Reno quite honestly or else it would have cost us about I think it's $16 million a year um for those facilities to run those facilities. So, I want to say thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Uh that was a big big win and I don't think people realize how massive that was for the city of Reno or we would have had to take on that cost and then what does that happen? it goes right in back into the, you know, community and creates hardship. So, thank you very much for your leadership on that. All right, I'm going to send it to Councilwoman Taylor. It is your ward. Welcome. Thank you for being here. Thank you for being part of our city. Bring on the bowlers. Motion to approve. Staff's recommendation. All right. I love it. I have a motion from Councilwoman Taylor. I have a second from Councilman Martinez. Second. All those in favor say I. I opposed. Motion carries unanimously and congratulations. I remember we've done this many times where you've had to come here and say, "Oh, we're not doing so well. We didn't make a profit." But look at what you've done. Awesome. Thanks you guys. Thank you. All right. Have a great day. Appreciate it. All right. Okay. So, we're going to jump back to C1, C2, C3, Mr. Clerk. Perfect. And just to just to clarify and keep us on track, um we'll open C1 first on its own. the ordinance introduction. Um, after that, if we can have the city attorney read the bill and then we can open items C2 through 4 together. Okay. So, I'm going to send it back to you, Mr. Carl Hall. Thank you, Madam Mayor. And just for clarification, we're going to hear uh C1 first. That's ordinance introduction bill number 7229, case number 23-00001, 1045, Ho Hogue Road Annexation. Ordinance announcing to and making part of the city of Reno certain specifically described territory of one parcel being plus or minus three acres of property located northwest of Hogue Road plus or minus 670 ft west of its intersection with Mason Road. Subject site is located within the city of Reno sphere of influence and Truckucky Meadow service area TMS TMSA. The subject site has a zoning designation of unincorporated transition 5 acres UT5 and master plan designation of unincorporated transition UT W4. All right. Thank you so much. Just to clarify again, Mr. Clerk, uh was proper notice given, any correspondence received and any public comment? Uh yes, proper notice was given and we do have several public comment on this item. Okay. Uh so first we will ask uh Diana Kates followed by Lloyd Kates. And then there are Is that your picture? No. But you have a picture. We're just pulling it up here. There we go. There you go. Is it all in there? A little bit. Kind of. Not really. Okay. There you go. That's wild. I don't have control. Good morning everybody. My name is Diana Kes. I live at 1050 Hogue Road. Hog Road was established in the 1950s. Our home has been on top since 1968. The road itself spans from top to bottom of North Virginia Street, which is approximately one mile. The border that surrounds the Hope Road area are the city of Reno, private property, and national forest. The city limit ends on Hog Road where the pavement ends, which is 330 ft from the top of the hill. The dirt easement that extends from the pavement up and around the houses to 1045 is 1,720 ft of national forest and privately owned property. That easement or road was established and recorded by the homeowners in 1989. That document established that the easement to be private and maintained by the homeowners of said properties. If 1045 was to be annexed and reszoned, that property would become a peninsula and the city would have to either access 1045 Hog Road through privately owned property or national forest. There really is no place for the city to grow if annexed. The grade of the hill from Mason Road to the top is approximately 14 to 16%. the top of the road which ends on bedrock. As you can see when you look at the Google map picture, the tiny one, you can see the bedrock on the east side of 1045 extends north to south for 2 and a half acres over 5,000 ft to the north and to the south. To bring the road to city standards, 1045 would have to pay for the road to be paved, which they have already told us they cannot afford at this time. According to Sierra Stripers, this means the road would have to be dug down 12 to 18 in with a 6 to 8 in base and 4 in of asphalt. This would not bring the road down to a 10% grade or to city standards. The owners of 1045 would have to bring up water and utilities through the bedrock. Blasting through the bedrock may cause structural damages to the houses close to 1045 since they were built on cinder blocks and only have crawl spaces. According to Bruce McCay's well company, blasting and digging may or may not disturb our existing aquifers. However, they encourage the homeowners to have their wells checked before development to see if the quality of water changes for the worse and if so to seek litigation. So, I respectfully ask the city council and madame mayor not to approve the annexation or the reasonzoning of 1045. Thank you. All right. Thank you so much. Okay, Mr. Clerk, any further public comment? We do. Uh, we have Gabriel Burke next, followed by Vincent Wowski. Gabriel, you want to come up? Oh, I'm so sorry. I I think uh Lloyd K was next. I apologize. Followed by Gabriel Burke. Good morning. I'm Lloyd Kryson. I reside at 1050 Hogue Road. This property borders the south of 1045. The Wood Rogers application states that there's a ride of way on the northeast corner of 1050 property. There are huge rocks that are underground and above ground that starts quite a ways north of 1045 and continues south into the 1050 property for about 60 ft. It goes underground and it continues. The previous owners of 1045 back in 2015 request an additional electrical power to their property. In 2015, we made a one-time easement agreement with Envy Energy to bring a 300 amp circuit from the underground box that is down the hill on Hog Road. This trench started from the underground box that is 235 ft down the hill to the east and then it comes alongside Hog Road and into the property of 1050. It goes around the large rock outcropping up to the service panel to the south side of 1045's property line. It took weeks just to dig that. It took weeks to dig that and damaged quite a few equipment. The 450 ft trench measures 74 feet into the property of 1050 on both the north and east property lines. It circles the entire property and there is no separation. I spoke with Laura Shayene, senior rightaway agent with Envy Energy during the time of this agreement was established and just recently. She has stated that this is a one-time only easement for Envy Energy and is not for any rightway passage for any additional utilities of any kind. Measuring that section for the 33 ft easement on both the north and east property lines. It places that easement right in the middle of that rock pile. In 2017, we were making plans to build a shop on our property, and we went down with the blueprints, and the city of Reno told us that for no reason do they ever want to disturb or remove any natural rock formations. There is no access or rideway that can be used on the 1050 property due to the natural rock formations and electrical easement. I sincerely request that the city council not approve the zoning or the master plan for the 1045 property. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Next we have Gabriel Burke followed by Vincent Wowski. Good morning. Um, hello. My name is Gabriel Burke. Uh, I want to say thank you, uh, to all of you for hearing this and especially those council members that made their trip up there. I hope it made an impression to see it in person. Um, again, my name is Gabriel Burke. My wife, daughter, and I live at 1335 Hogue Road. That is three lots due west of 1045. We share about 700 feet of driveway off of Hog Road as well as obviously Hog Road um with the uh applicants um on a ride of way from the National Forest Service parcel that is uh separate to the uh to the west. Uh you've heard comments on the grade of the road uh at the top of the hill and uh some of you have seen it in person. It has been pointed out that after leaving city limits, the road becomes a gravel road on an assortment of easements and rideways that has been in place informally or semiformally since the 1950s, most formerly in 1989 when there were seven houses up there with an unimproved trail head and fire road access onto National Service land. Excuse me. The National Forest Service land has always been a draw. My grandparents on both sides moved up there in the 1950s and 1960s, and my parents grew up hiking and horse riding in those hills, as did I. I have watched the amount of use of the land change greatly. Um, from target shooting, hiking, and equestrian activities to, uh, mountain biking, sidebyside ATVs, and illegal dumping, everyone who lives up there appreciates the surroundings and understands that the National Forest Service lands are a public benefit that make for a better city and county as well as a beautiful neighborhood. And we understand that our colloquial backyard is everyone's backyard. But the increased population and popularity of various outdoor activities come at a cost. A cost to the land and a cost to the neighborhood. On the public lands, small trails and roads get rutdded out, becoming broader, uglier, and less passible. Every year it gets noisier and more littered. Every year the visitors park on more and more of the native vegetation. Every year and every subsequent spring brings a new crop of invasive weeds. Excuse me. And every year the road that was an informal agreement between neighbors gets worse and worse. We already deal with a bit of hodgepodge of expectations up there. If I want to build something, I talk to the city. If I want to report illegal dumping or poaching, I call into the National Fed Forest Service. If it's illegal target shooting, it's Wo County Sheriff's. If it's a fire, maybe it's the city fire station at the bottom of the hill. Maybe it's a federal outfit. They both have responded at different times and sometimes respond responded simultaneously. This annexation and resoning does nothing to address the hodgepodge of services. I would respectfully ask that you do not approve it. Thank you. Thank you. Next, we have Vincent Wiltowski followed by Cassandra Bum. Hi, I'm Vincent Wowski and I'm going to just show you the grade of the road that we have going up. Yeah, that's part of our our grade that we have to deal with every day. And when we uh we get snow like in this next picture, this is what happens. This is a common thing that happens on this hill. We get a lot of wrecks because it's it is pretty treacherous going up and down this road and we don't get any help maintaining it at all right now. It's a it's a mess up there. That's pretty much what I wanted to just show you right there as far as that goes. Thank you. Thank you so much. Next we have Cassandra Bum followed by Steve Mats. Hello, I'm Cassandra Bum. Thank you, Madame Mayor and fellow council members. Um, these pictures, these are show fires that were up at the top of Hog Road. Would you mind speaking into the mic? I'm sorry. You might need it. Sorry. My concern is the fires and the uh first responders being able to get up there and respond. Um this fire that happened in the early 2000s, there was uh only one fire truck that was able to get up there and there's a fire hydrant um down into the city limit. So it's we don't have any fire services up at the top. So, I stood watching the fire eat the house. Um, there was firemen up there that couldn't do anything. Um, their hose that they were able to hook up basically look like a little squirt gun trying to get the fire out. Um, there's not enough pressure that for going up the hill because it's so steep. So, there isn't the the pressure that the uh fire hose is needing to combat any fires. Um when they put the fire hose, it blocked all incoming and outgoing traffic. There's only one way in and one way out. Um so I was supposed to be leaving. I was not able to leave. Um I was blocked in to our residence. Um if the fire had spread, um other fire trucks weren't even allowed to get up the hill. Um there was one that was blocked because of the hose. So there was again the one fire truck and um I'm not I can't remember how many firemen we just stood and and watched while you know two or three were putting water onto the home. So my question is about the safety of if there's going to be you know they're supposed to bring bring utilities up there. um you know the closest fire hydrants and things like that are are down the way and um having the island that it would make I don't know if it would have fire safety if first responders would be able to get there um during the the storms um the uh waste management wasn't able to pick up our garbage or anything because it's too steep. It's over the 14% grade. So, what happens if we had a fire? What happens if we had somebody needing an ambulance or any other safety concerns up there? Because of the snow on the grade of the hill, it prevents a lot of utilities being able to go up and down. Our safety is at a great concern. Our neighbors lost our a home because the fire trucks weren't able to get up there. The fire hydrant was too far. and the the grade of the hill prevents the pressure of the water. So, um my concern is for the safety of the residents there and anybody who would be building up there. Um so, I don't think it's a good idea for any additional building up there because of the terrain. Um I am for other building in Reno, other areas where it makes sense. This area does not make sense. Um the terrain is just too hard to get to. Um thank you. Next we have Steven Matters, followed lastly by Cynthia Fednik. Um Mayor Shy and member of the city council. Steve Mats um a concerned citizen about some of the um uh annexation and zone changes at the top end of home hog road. I ran uh track cross country for the university for many years and as a runner after that and I can tell you this is a a very special area. Um I'm friends of many of the people up there and I'm concerned about the pros of development. The map the map over here shows the green is all forest service land where it says 1045 Hog Road. This is the subject property and this is Cindy and her daughter's property. Whether properties all the properties you see here are all completely Sir, I'm sorry. Could you use the mics so we can capture what you're saying? Thanks. Um, all the properties that are here are surrounded by Forest Service lands and large lots. There's a there's a grand total of 10 houses up here with one with one person asking for nine additional. So with that, I would uh I'd like to point out on this picture how people access this area. And so Hog Road comes up here across and and this is this is Hogue Roadway. Then all the roads that come off of that are driveway easements. This is a driveway easement across the Forest Service land. These are private driveway easements. So, and that's what I'd like to speak about for a second. Um, the the the applicant wants to continue to use this driveway easement as access uh to the subdivision is absurd. It's not a road easement. Uh secondly, this drive even was a meant to access two properties, not one at 1075 and nine at at the at the subject property. If the subdivision needs a road, this isn't it. To think that any resident should be accepted subjected to nine-fold traffic on their driveway easement is just not right. A a driveway easement does not a road make. I suggest you turn the applicant down because he doesn't have a road to his subdivision. Also problematic is the island that the subdivision creates. um the existent of a picturesized bedrock ridge starting where the pin is and going all the way up here is sometimes very high 20t 30 feet and and the biggest part of that is right at the end of the road. You see it as you drive up the whole road and it's it's the most beautiful part of getting up here. Um the property is geographically separated by this ridge from the city below. You none of the residents up above can even see the city below because of this high bedrock ridge. So my contention is it makes an island on that side because of that and then everything else around it is is either forest service land or private property. Um, I would suggest that you turn this project down because it of the island that that it creates. Again, nobody can even see the city from up there. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. And lastly, we have Cynthia Fednik. Good morning everyone. My name is Cynthia Fednik. I live at 1075 Hog Road. It's good to see the ones of you that came up to to meet us and to look around at our neighborhood. I put this picture on because of the bedrock. The other day, Wes asked me to help him measure. C. I'll tell you what, climbing around on that bedrock was an eye opener. My daughter you my daughter and her cousin used to spend hours playing on it. I never actually climbed around on the bedrock. It's massive. Massive. It towers over me. I mean towers. It goes for feet past 10:45. It it if this is 10:45, it goes way past him all along his east side of his his house, his whole property. And it goes on and on. On the other side of 1045 is me. I've always loved this bedrock. Bedrock makes an island in 1045 in his three acres that he wants to make into nine lots, nine third acre lots. The other day I'm laying in bed and I'm thinking, hm. So the the the the snow plow is going to come through city limits and then he's going to come through forest service and private driveway easements about a third of a mile to past my house to 10:45. and he's going to pick up his blade going all the way through the Forest Service and the private easements. And then he's going to put his blade down and plow 1045's nine nine houses that he has in there. And then he's going to get done with that and put his blade up and go all the way that third of a mile back and get to city limits and put his blade back down and go down the hill. I found that hilarious to tell you the truth. It I woke up and I was cracking up. And you've heard all the other reasons to deny this project. The easements, the road itself is not just a straightaway road. It's all kinds of different people own it. the fire danger, the cost to the city for fire employees for realistically what four houses maybe, I don't know, whatever. I don't know what those numbers are. That buggles my mind. I'm a nurse. I'm I don't do numbers. I do healthcare. But, uh, it doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense to any of us. And again, it was awesome to meet you. Um, deny this project, please. Thank you. Thank you so much. And that concludes our public comment in the room. Okay. All right. Thank you so much. I'm going to hand it over to staff. Go ahead. Good afternoon, council members. Grace McAdin, senior management analyst for the record. here to discuss the annexation of 1045 Hogue Road. So, the request before you is a voluntary annexation of one 3acre parcel. The subject site is 3 acres in size, located in Ward 4, east of Old Virginia and north of Hogue Road. The site is also within our sphere of influence. So before I get into this particular request, I would like to go over what an annexation is and what staff looks at during our review. These are the annexation review considerations found in code that lay out what should be looked at during an annexation review. So I'll go over each of these considerations individually in regards to this particular request. But from a high level, an annexation is when Wo County land becomes city of Reno land. So the next thing I would like to go over is the sphere of influence. The sphere of influence is a boundary that is outside the city limits where the city still has land use authority. So what this means is that if anyone within the sphere of influence would like to apply for a building permit for a shed, an addition or a zone change. They have to come into the city Reno city of Reno with those requests and they have to meet our standards. The sphere of influence is a boundary that was created with the master plan. This is an area where the city plans to expand based on population projections and capacity for growth. So now we can get into this particular request. Going back to our review criteria, this is close to existing city of Reno development and relatively close to downtown. Add additionally, it abuts city limits to the east, so it will not create any islands. Consideration three discusses discusses the need for for expansion to accommodate planned regional growth. So as you can see here, I took this from Truckucky Meadows Regional Planning Agency. We have an approximate growth rate of 0.92%. You can also see here that Reno accounts for a majority of that population growth. Consideration four is the location of existing and planned water and sewer service. The site is within the Truckucky Meadows service area. This means that the applicant would would be required to hook up to Tumbla at the time of development and Tuma would serve this site. The red line you see on your screen is an approximate location of existing services like sewer and storm drain and these are about 300 ft from the site. Review consideration six talks about the efficient and cost-effective provision of service areas and capital facilities. You can see here the subject site is highlighted in yellow and city of Reno Fire is about a half a mile away from the site. Reno Fire is the most logical response for this area. The closest Truckucky Meadows Fire Station is in Cold Springs and the next closest is in Sun Valley. Here are some additional review considerations that I did not touch on specifically. Consideration five is regarding community goals. I think things like adequate response time and housing are met by this request. Consideration eight is in regards to community management plan which Wo County does not have for this area. And condition uh consideration seven is only applicable for projects over 20 acres in size. However, the city would receive taxes from this site which would be a positive impact. Although public transit is not a specific review consideration, I think it's important to point out that Route 7 is just uh over a half a mile away from this site. You can also see here how close the site is from downtown and I think it's about 2 miles from the university. Based on the review considerations for the annexation, staff recommends approval of this request. The recommended motion is on your screen and I'm available for questions. I would also like to point out that the applicant's representative from Wood Rogers is here for questions as well. Okay. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Uh just get I want to get some clarification from um our city attorney so we can ask questions um and then we can vote on this or do you want us to wait to take a vote and open the other items? You can ask questions and vote on this item. Okay. And then we'll do the other ones together. Okay. Thanks, Carl. Um, okay. So, I heard from you to me it sounded like the recommendation was basically because of the fire response for staff and then it was like some community. Yeah. For staff's recommendation. So, for for an annexation, we have review considerations to consider during our review. Um, these are the 10 review considerations. So in the staff report, we kind of go over condition or consideration one through 10 and say how each request meets those considerations. Um the the fire response is one of those considerations. Um, and because City of Reno Fire is so much closer than Truckucky Meadows Fire Agency, um, that was kind of how staff met that particular uh, um, that particular element of an annexation. And then as far as a community management plan, another one of the review criteria that we have to look at, and Wo County does not have one for this area, so that was kind of a non-issue for this project. Do you know if any staff went and went to the area? Because I went there. The terrain is incredibly challenging. I think, you know, there were a lot of people that came and spoke about this on at public comment. And so to me, like looking at everything that I saw when I was there, this wouldn't make sense. So to approve this at all in any way. So I'm curious to know if staff went up there to see kind of what the landscape was. And I actually, like I said, I think people um spoke, you know, to that point. If you're up there, it's very stark and you can tell that, you know, you wouldn't want to annex this. Yes. So, me and Angela Fouse went to the site um along with some council members that that uh went with us. Um I think that the key point to point out here is that there's no development with this request. Um and I think access was brought up as a common concern and a common issue. um the only way that those things get approve improved is through development. So this is kind of the first step in that process. I also think it's important to point out that there's a a trail head um at the end of Hog Road which a lot of people frequent. Um so without this easement being improved u it'll stay the way it is. Um and so they're kind of in this space where if they want to do anything they have to come in for these types of requests first and then they can start improving the roadways and the easements. Okay. Thank you so much. I I have a hard time making the findings here. I I don't see it. That's just me. Okay. Uh Councilwoman Der, go ahead. Yeah, sure. Um I had the opportunity to go out to the site and uh not just visit with the residents, but also drive the whole area. Um I went during a period where there were snow in the ground. It was very muddy. Um I brought a four-wheel drive vehicle and even that was difficult. The reason I love that map and I don't know if you have it handy where it shows the purple and the Could you just put that up really quick? I think this um map really demonstrates why the city ends where it ends and where the paved road is. So the area in purple is serviced by Hogue Road u paved. But where it goes to Brown, the road is no longer paved and the grade changes significantly. Um, it's already a steep road, something you'd think of, uh, like by other steep roads, but at this point, geography plays a part, and it goes from, let's say, a 8 to 10% grade to a 14 to 16% grade. I really question whether the fire could get up there until I had heard this story today. I did not know that my suspicions have been confirmed. I said the only way to respond to a fire there would be to drag hoses over the rocks. That means our firefighters would have to go over the rocks. The only other alternative is to bring in a brush hook, a brush truck. And um when we respond now, and I just this is a question I wanted to confirm that when we respond now, because we are closer than the county, we get reimbursed for that response over a certain amount of time that we would spend. Um if we were to annex this, that response would be all on our dime. And I think to just annex one property of three acres, I don't really think this is where we want to grow and how we want to grow. I think this area because of its geography, because the change in terrain is uh meant is properly um addressed by being in the county and having that bigger property zoning, whether it's LR2.5 or or five um one home per five acres, whatever. I think that is appropriate. And um if I have a number of other issues in terms of um um you know while you say it is connected it looks like it's connected it would be extension of the purple but you can't get there from there you know it is an island because it's separated by a very massive rock formation is very hard and so that way maybe on a flat map without being out there it looks like it's connected but in reality you would have to go either far to the north and around or use these other access roads to the south. So, I don't really view it as a connected geographically. You know, it may be g connected on a map, but it's not physically connected. Um, it's very difficult to get in these services. You talked about Tamwa. I don't know how they would bring in water. They can't I mean, they would have to blast through this rock or go all the way around the properties. Um, and then when they brought it in, I guess that would mean other properties would probably want to or could hook up. And your point about um and I understand this is not about you but your point which is a good one which is that growth brings development I think is a good point. However to access the up back country the forest service country I really think that's a forest service responsibility to improve that road um for better access up to their um recreation area. So that's my perspective. What? Yeah thank you. That's my perspective. I may have more comments when we go back around. I too could not at this point make findings. So we'll see and then I'll come back to you guys. Thank you, Madame Mayor. Uh Miss McInn, first of all, thank you for the uh project uh overview and the presentation and also for you and Miss Boose going out with us to see the site. Um I think the my colleagues have really hit the nail on the head in many ways. So, I won't belabor the point, but I will say that as I focused on NRS 268.670, you know, I had some concerns. First, I'll note some concerns that I have about uh item number three, which is the need or expansion to accommodate planned regional growth. I just don't know that this is where the city of Reno intends to grow, although the sphere of influence identifies a potential option for growth over a period of time. I don't see the city of Reno growing in this area. Okay. The second part, and of course, all annexation decisions that we make as a body are perhaps one of the more critical things that we consider as a body because it's about the planned or future growth uh within the city limits. And when we make the decision to annex, I think it is one of the more awesome powers that we wield. Oftentimes those are voluntary annexations request by sometimes I suppose they are annexations that we initiate. But I think too the item number five in 268 670 talks about community goals that would be met by the proposed annexation. And in my mind, having met with the adjoining land owners and thinking about the access to the trail heads and the surrounding forest service lands, I cannot make that finding. And so for me, again, another concern I is raised by the the very specific criteria that we have to analyze. Um the other thing I'll say about item number six, which is the efficient and coste effective provision of service areas. Look, I think our firefighter personnel are the best in the country. We we really do have great uh folks working for us at the City of Reno Fire Department. Um and they would say they will be the first to roll when the call comes and I believe that under our mutual aid agreements and various required responses that we would still be serving that area. But I don't think that that is the determining factor. I think too um there is concern I think raised by our police officers about their ability to get up there and and service the area. So for me I cannot make findings related to um this particular property and whether it would be um wise use of our existing resources to serve that area. Um, again, I think all annexations are a difficult question and I thank the staff for allowing us to make the policy choices. I know that the recommendation was related really to the way in which you view annexations as very I would say black and white. You know, they meet the requirements of 268 670. But at a policy level, I simply cannot make the findings necessary to agree that an annexation would be appropriate at this time. All right. Thank you, Mr. Ree. Mayor had to step away. Let me ask if there are any other council members who would like to ask questions or make comments. Council member Breas. Yeah, if we could bring up the 10 findings. Now, you said this is in the sphere. That's 20 years, but is it in the annexation program that seven-year horizon? We do not have an annexation program at this time. I think the last annexation for that was um a couple a number of years ago. Yeah. The seven-year generally brings in a lot more information for each sub subject site and with that you go to the 10 and some of the comments you made about the 10 are um I heard you know it brings in tax revenue and well you know anything incorporated any development you know in theory incrementally brings in revenue but did you do did your analysis go as far to saying well what liabilities it brought into, you know, in terms of looking at some of the deficiencies that are, you know, the roadway I heard is not degrade. Did you did you say, oh, on the other side of the ledger, it brings in a road that, you know, adds to the public works road deficiency. Did you take it down in that level and did balance those against the taxes it brought in projected? And I think access is kind of a a key point here. Um, it it's currently private and that's not anticipated to change at this time. um at the time of development, that would be a whole separate request. So, because it's private and it would remain private, that wouldn't wouldn't be an addition for the city of Reno for for services. Okay? So, it'd be a private road, but you know, still it's a standard that's not being met, you know, for these new people. No, no, no cause of their own. They're coming onto a standard road. And so with not having a seven-year plan or even a management plan because there have been times and um and I know you're not a planner. I thought you were in the finance department and bringing more of the economics analysis in, but um uh there were times where the city would um you know go out to these areas that are probably on the path of development and having the city around and look at you know what city issues, what county issues maybe where the lines should be drawn because we've seen a lot of one annexation come in and the next the next and domino and I think I think you're at a real hard spot of looking into these 10, you know, not knowing some of the issues, you know, about waste management, can't get up there on anything without having that planning effort first for this area. That's what those management plans do. That's what the seven-year plan does. So, I think if the council says not now, it could go on the planning department work program for something to look at. And every community deserves that. Whether or not they're annexed or not, they deserve their deficiencies looked at. I hear a lot of deficiencies from these folks. We can partner with the county, but at this time, I'm finding some flaws in your analysis. One was, you know, mostly fire. Well, you know, what's the alternative not ha having fire and going through a subdivision process? It's it's the more non-urban rural response that Treky Meadows brings to them. and and you need to go deep into that analysis to propose I think an annexation to us as a as a your staff recommendation. So, I'm I'm kind of with the rest of the council, although I do think that this area could be addressed should be addressed through a planning effort, a management planning effort with the county. And I'd just like to say we've done those in the past. We should do those in the past, you know, in the future because the development pressure is is there and um and you don't deserve some of the in inadequacies you've had. Thanks, Council Member Breis. Thank you. Let me ask um is there any other comments from the members of the body? I have a second comment. Nothing from these members. Did you have any comments? No. Okay. Mr. Ree, any more comments? No. Thank you. Okay. Um, I had one uh final comment and this, you know, I don't know if our attorneys will say this is okay, but if we end up um not annexing this, if you know, I don't know how this vote is going to go, but if we end up um one thing to be considered is to roll back this fear, it sounds like this is being driven by wanting to add a ADU, you know, and understanding what was the driver to ask to be annexed. Um, I don't think that the city should stand in the way of a resident adding an ADU. um especially up in this area. Um maybe they can do it more easily under the county rules. Um so I would certainly be willing to um sponsor or co-sponsor or think about that if this annexation doesn't go through, but to facilitate whatever they want to do on their site. So something to think about. Um with that, let me turn to u our uh word representative uh council member Eert. Do you have a motion for us? Um one sec. You got it. No. In the motion, Angela Fouse for the record. Uh, we do have the applicant here. If you would at least let him speak for the record just to make sure whatever he wanted to bring to the table, he can get it on the record. All right. I'll turn this back over to May the mayor or I mean, it's Let's let the applicant come up. And I think I I appreciate it because I think yeah, we're kind of working backwards. It's kind of hard to figure out, you know, what the intent is and and I think to Councilwoman Dur's point, she makes you make a very a very good point. Um, but sometimes the picture doesn't come together and it and it looks like this instead of something that's more like this. So, I appreciate you coming. Go. Thank you, Madam Mayor and council members. Uh, my name is Eric Casey. I'm with Wood Rogers. I'm representing the applicant and the um resident of 1045 Hog Road. I actually have a presentation and I'll try not to go over what was already said. I just want to give you guys some background on how this came about and then um what the the long-term plans are. So, um we the applicant uh is looking to subdivide the part the property in order to allow some of his family members to also live there. um because he's in the sphere of influence, we could not go to the county. So, we had to come through the city. City Arena has jurisdiction over this area as it's been um already pointed out. And so, in order for him to go down this route, in order for him to go get the the correct master plan and zoning designation that he needs in order to propose a subdivision to this property, he has to go through this annexation request. Um, just looking again just real quick. I'm I'm just going to go to the the the options. The the applicant understands that the issues in this um area, he agrees with all of them, everything that the the neighbors have said. Um, and it's he understands that he's most likely not going to be able to solve them all, right? Um, to do what? To to solve them with with just with just this request. So he he wanted to highlight that there were three options that they're really looking at and this is again further down development but we need to get through the annexation master plan and zone change in order to propose any type of access um that would be developed to the city of Reno standards. So we would be required to develop this access to the city areno standards. So we have basically have three options here. The one that's highlighted in yellow is the existing um access right? If this annexation, master plan amendment, zone change goes through, this nothing will change. This existing access will stay the same. It's not until they until they propose future development will any improvements to any type of access be um go go forward. So, we have the yellow um line that's highlighted. That's the existing access that would need and be required to be improved. We have the black one that is showing City of Reno rightaway that goes right into the southeast corner of the property. Um, again, this can be used for either utilities or access. Um, but again, like they everybody has pointed out, there are large rockout croppings around there. Majority of those larger rock outcroppings are not on the property or within the city arena right away, but they they do exist. um the applicant's um hope and his his um pursue what he's pursuing right now is the the properties that are highlighted in orange are um one land owner and they are currently talking with those those land owners and to develop uh some type of access from the north and so that would be extending Mason Road or Harris Road in some form to go around the Iraq outcroppings and then to be able to access the property from the north. Um, so I just want everybody to kind of keep that in mind as we go forward with these these two requests that that that is that is a possibility, but we cannot propose that until we have the proper master plan and zoning uh to do so. So, um, I'm available for any other questions. So, thank you. Thank you so much. I'm going to ask Councilman Buckus. Go ahead. Yeah, you know, it's hard from our perspective. Although our staff is supportive, so they see issues that, you know, I don't see in terms, you know, the city right away, you know, um they think it's accessible, but I heard someone say that's just for, you know, a one-time electrical easement. I don't want to go that far into the details, but and then you say, well, you know, the legal way is this roundabout hogue, but we're kind of talking over here about this. That's just not the way we can really plan for an area like this where we're very aware that we have some infrastructure deficiencies, people on wells right in town, grade, all those sort of things. And so the burden does come to you and you're saying, "Well, we need the annexation and the new zoning and everything." And you know, no you don't. What we need for our community, which is these residents, whether or not they're incorporated and property owners, is an overall plan that, you know, collaborately sketches out what the issues are, what the development potential is. You know, should these properties occur, then, you know, come through for zoning changes in the future, this is what needs to happen, dedication of an easement. So that kind of gives some basis for where we're going to go because that orange property, you know, what's their development potential, what what's going on up up there, you know, the fire issues. We bring the fire the for the forest service in to help us understand what their recreational plans say for this area. So it's it's just very hard to do it from the perspective of you on behalf of your applicant who pays some dollars to come in and get a yay or nay on something. the issues are more complex in serving this area from what I see. Although I do want to acknowledge that staff thinks it's workable, but I'm I'm having a hard time. I don't think their analysis went deep enough. So, thank you. Okay. Any further questions? Councilwoman Der, go ahead. Uh, just one quick comment. I know that the you mentioned they want some family members to live there, but we have to look at the ultimate buildout, which is eight or nine separate lots, all having separate services, all using this deficient infrastructure. And that's what we have to look at is not what their specific goal is today because ultimately they could sell this property and a different person could come in and say, "No, I want to build eight or nine homes on third acre lots and get city services." And I just don't think we're in a position to provide those city services at the level that that we've adopted for the city. So I don't want to leave them in a bind. So I think there is a way forward, but that's just my feeling. So Okay. All right. Councilwoman I want to send it back to you. Okay. Um, so I I can't forgive me if I do this wrong here. Um, I can't make a finding to approve this just based on the fact that um it doesn't it doesn't meet um the efficient cost and effective provision for service and capital facilities. I believe uh for that location um fiscal analysis regarding proposed annexation. Um there's several reasons. I just don't think it's a good fit. It also doesn't conform with the guiding principles in our our master plan uh for resilient local and regional economy, responsible and well-managed growth, thriving downtown and univer university district, vibrant neighborhoods and centers, well-c centered city and region, safe and healthy inclusive community, quality places and outdoor recreation opportunities, and effective government. I just don't find that it kind of uh that it fits with any of the uh goals that we're trying to achieve with the city of Reno at this time. Okay. So, motion to deny. Okay. Thank you so much. So, I have a motion from Councilwoman I second. I have a second from Councilwoman Der. Any discussion? I would just add some um findings I can't make. Um in addition, I think that number one, the location of the property, while it appears that it's connected, it's geographically separate. Um I don't think it is a logical extension to the city limits based on um the grade change. Just geography speaks to that. Uh number three um the expansion to accommodate planned regional growth. We don't have a plan to have regional growth in this area. So I can't make that finding. Um the location of existing and planned water service. This number four. Um, we don't have a plan to expand Tamwa up there um or sewer up there with the lift station requirements, the pressure requirements that were brought up. Um, number five lists a whole, uh, catalog of uh, criteria that go to community goals. And I I won't go through all of them, but I can't find num a number of them. So, that's number five. Um, um, six was already mentioned, seven was already mentioned. Um, I don't believe that the county has adopted a community management plan. I think the staff mentioned that. Um, and I do believe it creates an island, a geographic island, if not an island on a map, a plan map. And, um, I'll just leave it there, but I just I don't think this is where we want to grow. Um, and to provide services, I think it would be a drain on the city. So, that's I wanted to further buttress her okay suggestion. All right. So, I had a motion, a second. All those in favor say I. I. All those opposed? Hi. Motion carries. Okay. Thank you. Sending it right back. Oh, I think Mr. Clerk, we're going to go into two, three, and four. Uh, with the motion being denied then? Nope. We got to do two, three, and four because it's extra territorial jurisdiction. Okay. Well, opening. Can you explain that, Mr. 2, three, and four? Thank you. Yes. So because this is in the sphere of in of influence, we exercise planning jurisdiction over the site and so the MPA and the reszone request are still legitimate requests to the body that need to be considered. Thank you for the clarification. So opening if I could just ask one more question. If um but if we denied annexation, what you're saying is we would still be responsible for potentially changing the zoning. Yes. So that's that's the net impact of uh your comment of saying hey maybe we rolled the sphere of influence back. That would be us saying we declined to exercise that planning jurisdiction over this space any longer. All we have to do if if to achieve that goal let me just make sure I understand. We would deny two three and four and say the words that we would decline to exercise the sphere of influence. Is that what you're saying? That alone would not achieve the goal. No. We would have to go through the process of amending the sphere of influence. Right. That's what I thought. But what were you saying? We still have to go through these. There's still applications that are live and pending in front of the city. And because we're the jurisdiction that's sort of oversees the the planning and zoning decisions in this space, we have to process them. All right. Did that answer your questions? It did. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So, uh, Mr. Clerk, just um, for the record, was proper notice given any correspondence received? I'm going to assume from our city attorney we can open two, three, and four. Correct. And then um with that being said, then I will let you read two, three, and four. I'm just going to read four. Oh, you just want to read four. Okay. Hold on one second. And do you have any public comment? Uh we do have three public comments which were directly associated with this item received prior to 4M yesterday. These comments were written correspondents received via our reno.gov online public comment portal and have been distributed to council and no further comments in the room. Okay. And proper notice was given. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Okay. I'm going to send it back to you. Uh our city attorney Carl Hall. Go ahead. Take it away. Madam Mayor, case number LDC23-00002 1045 Hog Road master plan and zoning map amendments. Ordinance introduction bill number 7230. Ordinance to amend title 18 chapter 18.02 02 of the Reno Municipal Code entitled zoning reszoning at plus or minus 3 acre site located northwest of Hog Road plus or - 670 ft west of its intersection with Mason Road from unincorporated transition 5 acres UT5 to single family residential three units per acre SF3 together with matters which pertain to or are necessarily connected there with word for Okay, thank you so much. At this time, I'm going to send it to Councilwoman Eert for a motion. Um motion to deny request to reszone. I have a question. Go ahead, Councilman Breus. Are we gonna have hear from the applicant? Yeah. Typically, an applicant will ask to withdraw at this point so as not to waste the time of the council, but maybe that's what they're planning on doing. Okay. All right. We can hear from the applicant. You do you want to come back up? Um so I also have a presentation for this too. Um this consideration because it's in the sphere city sphere of influence uh they still have the planning jurisdiction over this and so the whole goal of the applicant was to try to subdivide this and so we'd like this to be considered um going forward. So um if I can just give my presentation if that's fine with you. Um, sure. How long is it? I can go very quickly just kind of touch on what what's the time? Do you have the title of the present presentation? Um, it Yeah, it should be under the the case number. Just one moment. Pulling it up here. Is that correct? Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Uh my name is Eric Hasty for the record. I'm with Wood Rogers representing the applicant of 1045 Hog Road. Can we have you lean into the mic? We're having trouble picking you up. Thank you. All right. Um so I think we all know where this is located. Um the existing master plan uh with this is unincorporated transition and UT the zoning is UT5 which is a non-conforming zoning. Um again because of the sphere of influence designation that is the reason why it's unincorporated transition for the master plan as well as unincorporated transition five for the zoning. These are default um uh designations. So the two items before you is a request to uh ma amend the master plan um from unincorporated transition to single family residential um and then the uh zone change from UT5 to SF3. So the proposed master plan um states that anything that's in single family neighborhood is between two to eight uh units per acre. We're uh requesting the zoning designation to be around three. This is also a continuation of the master plan that is within the city of Reno along Hog Road. Um so it's very it's an appropriate um master plan designation for this area. These are primarily compromised of single family detached homes which the applicant is um going to pursue or hoping to pursue. Um we we can justify that this area should be um intensified with a master plan because there are um as as stated before utilities within the area um as well as the existing tier 2 land designation that is within the Truckucky Meadows Regional Plan. Um so this is a continuation of the master plan to the west. The proposed uh single family or SF3 is will allow three dwelling units per acre. Um and this is also a continuation of the the zoning designation that is uh to the east. But I just want to point out that just because we are allowed to put three dwelling units per acre, that is not their intention. If you look at the SF3 zoning designation within the city of Reno, there are many different lot sizes. This gives us flexibility to put a one-ird acre lot there if we need to, but the the goal is for the the the dwelling unit to remain there. Um, and so realistically, putting nine units on there is not the is not going to happen and it's not the applicant's um goals to do that. So, uh, I I again, if we do, if this goes through with the zoning, I just want to highlight that there's still an additional step to this, which is either a parcel map, which will have to get approved through the city, it will be reviewed by city staff, city engineers, um, fire, all that stuff to make sure. And that's where we will bring in the, uh, proposed um, access to the site and show that it can meet city areno standards. If we do more than four lots, then we will be required to do a tenative map which you'll go through the planning commission. Right? So there is additional steps after this process that will help to shape this development in a way that's appropriate for this area, but we can't get there until we have the correct zoning and um master plan designation. So thank you. I'm not going to take any more time. So if you guys have any more questions, I'd be happy to answer. All right. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Council on breakfast. Go ahead. Yeah. And good presentation. I didn't mean to send you off. It's just, you know, in different times it would be inconsistent for us to take the other items in the affirmative after that past actions. So, in past times, the consultants have said we withdraw our request and not go through it. But, you know, you're you're certain you guys paid fees, you did nice graphics. It's it's great to to hear from you. But, did the one thing I I didn't hear from you um was did this go to planning commission in in Yes. And they recommended approval. Correct. They recommended denial, but um Oh, okay. Sorry. Yeah. The the reasons for it were were a little um it was not did not have anything to do with the master plan or the zoning that Okay. I just um I I couldn't remember which way. I did read the material. So, thank you for your presentation. Okay. I'm going to send it back to Councilwoman Eert. Are you ready uh to make the the motion? Yeah. Um I can't make the finding based on uh you know provide safe environment. I feel like it's you know based on the location and uh you know the difficulties getting utilities there and um services, fire, police. Um I just don't feel like this is a um a good area to uh reszone. But um I would uh be interested in finding out if if we can kind of roll back this sphere of influence on this uh area to move it into the county. Um so at this time I'm going to make a motion to deny. All right. I have a motion. I have a second. All those in favor say I. I. All those opposed. Motion carries. Okay. You know, Madame Mayor, I just wanted to make a comment to Go ahead. Um it was stated on the record that the planning commission um had some confusion and I had a great u meeting with the consultants to better understand that. But in the staff report, it does it does acknowledge that um in the discussion with the planning commission um they actually did identify um a lot of issues with the site including water, sewer, roadway improvements, traffic access and density um and so on. Um the need the rock outcroppings access the maintenance responsibilities. And so I do think they at least discussed it wasn't just a technical denial about the annexation. They they were kind of wrapped around the axle regarding whether they should have a role in annexation or it was all up to us and maybe it was premature. But they also did identify some um key issues with the project. So I just I just wanted to acknowledge that um four of them were unable to make the findings as well. And so I just wanted to make sure that was on the record. Okay. Okay. Thank you so much. So, um, is that sufficient for two, three together, right? So, yes, madame mayor. So, we opened two, three, and four together, and the motion was to to deny the uh master plan and zoning map amendments. So, I think we're square on the record. Okay. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Okay, Mr. Clerk, do you need anything from us? We're all set for CeMS. Ready to close out. Okay. All right. Um, we're at D1. We are ready to move on to D1. Okay. Thank you so much, Madame Mayor. Let me ask. Go ahead. You may say no, but um, is there an interest in a short break? I I don't know where we are in that. Yeah, I think you know what? I want everyone to get up for 15 minutes and then I know it's going to be short, but like, you know, take a little break, get something to eat, go to the restroom, and then we'll come back. Um, but I want to just kind of push through. So, okay, we'll rejourn three of you to come back in 15 minutes. That'd be great. Okay. Thanks so much. All right. We'll readjourn at about 10:02 p.m. Thank you so much. Hello. Do have to go back. Yeah. I What was it? Doug, you know, I had um had about 80 people at the [Music] Uh, we can start because we do have a quorum. All right, Mr. Clerk, go ahead. Bring us up to speed, up to date where we're at. Okay, perfect. We are ready to move forward. Opening item uh department items D1. And for the record, we received one public comment uh which was directly associated with this agenda item prior to 4 p.m. yesterday. Uh it was a written correspondence distributed to city council. All right. Thank you so much. Okay. Take it away. It's all you. Good afternoon, madame mayor and council members. Vicky Van Beern, director of finance for the record. Before you today for your consideration is a resolution for a deposit and reimbursement agreement for a developer proposed spec special assessment district. In December of 2017, council approved the guidelines whereby developers could submit to come forward before council for developer special assessment financing. That was approved in December of 17. Um the proposed project will include approximately 1,300 residential units and the the bond would be approximately $25 million and would be for water infrastructure costs for this development. It would result in an estimated annual assessment of $1,700 per homeowner. So that's an annual. Representatives of the developer are present today and they are available to answer any questions if you have any related to the project itself. Okay. This agreement is what's before you today is just a deposit and reimbursement agreement. Okay. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. All right. Any questions? Go ahead, Councilman Breakfus. Thank you. Um those guidelines, did you I asked for copies of those? Did you upload those? I did not. I got them from uh legal legal sent them over to me. Okay. Um were those specific to the stonegate or were they specific to They are specific guidelines. so that um developers can request special assessment districts for financing options. Okay. Um I did want to see those. And also, Mr. Manager, I remember when we went through the AFAR and I noticed, surprise surprise, in the notes of subsequent events that the Stonegate agreement had more or less gone into default. It was notable enough that our auditors caught it up and said, "This has to go in the after." And at that time you said the stonegate item is coming back on agenda in January. This was before the end of the year. I have not seen it yet. Uh it is on the draft agenda for March 8th. The first of a couple of actions that we need to take. The rationale for the delay there was that we had to get through the first of the year for um certain conditions in that agreement to be met. We had to send a letter. We had to give a cure period. Uh those timelines have all now run and so we're ready to move forward with repealing those ordinances. You'll see the first step there on March 8th. Well, since this is such a novel tool that we've only used once and it's failed, didn't you think it was maybe a good idea to go over the guidelines and lessons learned and if we should have other criteria? I think when we get down to actually making a decision on whether or not to impose an SAD, that would be a relevant uh line of inquiry. But here, this is just a feasibility study and the question is whether or not we want to take the money on and be a pass through for that exercise. I don't know if I agree with that. May I ask you to put this up? It's the special it's the master plan policy related to um um SADs and um you know you want us to go into agreement to do due diligence. The finance department is heading it up here. So it's getting into the math but I'm really focused on the policy part of it. And if you look at 2.11 if special assessment districts could scroll in um and you don't have an application, right? they just sent you a letter and said, "Hey, bring this in front of the council and, uh, we want them the C city to finance us." So, um, consider the use of SADs. This is our 2017 master plan. Um, provide a, you know, districts provide a tangible benefit, align with the goals and policy of the master plan, advance priority initiatives of the master plan, meet the guidelines for use of special assessment districts. So, we have guidelines. I haven't looked at them in a minute and they weren't loaded up to the staff report. But the other things I think to even decide if we want a date and go into the math and bring the fiscal in, we should sketch all that out in an application by the people who want the city's creditworthiness behind them because I see other places for the city's credit worthworthiness like small business lending programs, rental deposit programs, not necessarily the Fortune um magazine's number one homebuilder um publicly traded company. So, I'm even having a hard time entertaining this without us doing our policy work knowing that the first time out it it fell apart and I don't even know what lessons were learned from that because I haven't had any information on it. Thank you, Councilman Breus. All right, hold on one second. I actually Council Member Ruckus, I think we're two sides of the same coin on this. I think it would be very difficult for staff to make a meaningful recommendation on the policy discussion that's outlined in uh 21 eye here um without understanding the feasibility of the project itself. And so that's the initial step that we're asking the council to consider today. It does not take away from the bandwidth of the finance department. It is simply a pass through and uh for us to have a meaningful discussion at a later date on on this inquiry. I think that this is a this is a a thing for which we need to have a baseline understanding. Well, I want a baseline understanding on the tangible benefit the goals and policies. Okay. Point of order. Thank you, Madame Mayor. Okay. Uh, Councilwoman Dur, go ahead. Sure. Just a I had a chance to meet with the applicant very briefly um the other day and the I I want to go on the record as a couple things. one, my understanding this is to help pay for the water system. Is that correct? Correct. The water infrastructure. Right. So, over at Tamwa, uh myself and council member Breas advocated for having Tamwa take over the Boomtown system and become the provider rather than have this small, uh Boomtown water system be the provider. You know, they they weren't of a scale and equality that I think we wanted to have our region served by. So that's check one is that I wanted us to and they did they they've acquired the Boomtown system. It was brought up to apparently improve uh its infrastructure status and so it's a better system. What where I'm confused right now and I just want to understand I understand this is just quote a deposit to go do a thing but I want to make sure I understand what the thing is. Right? So, this basically says seven that it would result in a an annual assessment of $1,700 per homeowner. So, they've already done enough math to figure excuse me to figure that out, right? Approximately. Yes. Okay. Well, they got it to the $1669 per homeowner. So, they did it kind of more than approximately. Um, so I guess what I'm wondering is that would be an annual payment on top of any other kind of fees. So that would be like about $150 a month. Would they would the homeowners have to be paying for 30 years or for 60 years or in this scenario? In that scenario, it would be a 30-year bond. Yes. So over the lifetime, $1,700 times 30 years, I guess, is three, four, five, is $51,000 per house. Correct. And I guess I just wonder is that like is anyone else paying $51,000 a house to get water to their house? Like when they buy their house, they usually have water like it's not uh it's opaque to them how that water got there. The developer handles it. So I just want to understand what is different with this than another a Demani ranch or a you know any other development. And we do have uh representatives here from the development, so they can probably come up and describe that for you. Great. Well, Madame Mayor, I'd like to continue to ask staff. I I really, you know, we've got people who want to, you know, pitch a project. It's all right. Okay. I got I have other questions for staff. Well, I I will let you go. Hold on. The reason why we do that, and I just want to remind the public, is so that other council members can get their questions on as well. It's not fair for one to monopolize all the time. So that's why I try really hard to make it fair and cut everyone off at three minutes. So every council member gets the opportunity to put their questions and comments on the record. So that's and the staff is not leaving. They just deferred. That's why we do that. So everyone will get Okay. Councilwoman Der, did you get all your questions answered because you were at you were still at like a minute 30. So go ahead. Well, I asked my question, they're about to answer. Okay. Well, I'm sorry we got interrupted, so I apologize. Go ahead. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Uh, and council Josh Hicks with McDonald Corano on behalf of Toll Brothers. Thank you. U I've also got there's also some other members here from Toll Brothers, Kyle Collinssworth who's the vice president of land, Julie Wong who's project manager, and then my colleague Lindseay Knox from McDonald Chrono as well. So, happy to answer your question. I think the the bottom line answer is that um anytime a home is built or a development is put together, there are variety of costs that go into it. One of those costs is going to be the water infrastructure to bring it. Um it may be somewhat opaque, I think was your word, by certain by certain people, but it it is built by the developer one way or another. So it is it is built and either added into the home price or there are ways like a special assessment district which is a legislative tool that's been in place since 1989 which allows these districts to be set up and provide certainty um on the property owners and they pay it during the life of the bond. Once the bond is done the assessment goes away. So just two thoughts. One is there's other developments out there like the Meridian like on the same side of the river as you just adjacent to you and I didn't know if they're also looking to do a sad and maybe this is a question for our manager or finance director. Are they all they have to get water from the same water system that's tam now are they also looking at doing a sad sad I could take a shot of that if you'd like. Um so because Vickiy's looking like no I have no idea the the water the water infrastructure that's being contemplated here is um over essentially oversized to to accommodate other developments as well. That's a requirement of Tamwa. Um they're basically as you know they're about capacity out in the Verdai area. Yes. So this project um not only would allow the toll project to proceed, but it also is oversized for these other projects. So and what are these other I mean is this is to the south to the east? would potentially be like the BT South project which is which is the other project there. And there's always, you know, we're right now we're just talking about the deposit agreement as your city manager said. This just starts the process. It it lets it covers the costs of the city to look at this district. The actual boundaries of the district um will be looked at in that process and a district requires 100% consent of all the property owners 100% but you own it. So you have the the toll project is is owned I'll come back but other property owners if if they want to participate in the district they you know we're certainly willing to talk to them but they're going to have to consent to it because that's how the district well your answer has caused follow-up questions so I will reserve those. Okay. Thank you. Uh I'm sorry I can't mine's not updating on here so I don't know who wants to speak. Is there are there any other council members? Yeah I have a question for staff. One second. One uh Councilman Ree. Thank you, Madame Mayor. Um, I have questions about, and perhaps this is a question first for staff. Um, the use of special assessment districts. I think the first time that we've done it, uh, was with the project uh, Stonegate up to the north of Reno. Is am I correct in that that that is the only other time we've used the special assessment district of this kind? Yes. And and I think Miss Van Beern as I recall we went through a fairly lengthy discussion about their appropriateness their usefulness visav the master plan policies which give us that as a tool. Do you recall that Miss Van Beern? I'm sorry. I apologize. I'm sorry. No, I was corrected. We we did do one for Somerset that was prior to my time here at the city. Well, and and I'll disclose as I have before, I live inside of Somerset and so I'm familiar with the use of the special assistant district, but I recall that when we talked about Stonegate and and going out for that particular type of financing arrangement that we had a long conf uh you know discussion at council about the appropriateness of the use of this tool. Um and so I I guess I'm trying to understand from my perspective we have said we are going to use this tool. Um now we have the opportunity for uh a particular projects that's come in to say hey we are going to utilize this tool. I don't think there's any reason for us not to utilize the tool. And so I'm trying to understand from the finance department's um perspective you aren't having any heartburn about it. Is that correct? I do not. I'm just bringing it forward based on the guidelines that council's already adopted. And so it was a policy that council adopted these guidelines. And so I'm bringing it forward because the developer requested a potential use of this type of financing. And I do want to mention that I did have the guidelines with me. I brought them and I gave them to the clerk just now and they will be making copies to distribute to all the council members. Okay. Thank you, Madame Mayor. That's all I have for now. Okay. Thank you so much. All right. Is there anyone else that I have not touched on? I think I've already um touched on Der Breus and Ree. Anyone else? Well, I'd like to go again. I'm going to let you. I just I have to wait because I don't I can't see up here. It's not working my screen, so I want to make sure I'm getting everyone fairly. Go ahead, Councilman Brackus. Yeah. And just to, you know, say is, you know, this is something that we don't have a lot of experience with and we're moving staff into negotiation terms. And, you know, that's why my questions there are for staff because they're going to be here on the public's behalf. Sometimes bringing up, you know, when staff wants to turn it over to the an applicant or someone who's pleading for something from the city, you know, it it it crushes my confidence because I want to make sure that they understand or willing to go forward. And the fact that I asked for the guidelines over a week ago and now they're just going to be handed out to me is concerning to me. But my question to you is you said that there would be say $1,600 or $1,700 per home. I thought when we had earlier discussions that all of the SADs once the property went into occupancy and was sold by in this case, you know, it would be Toll Brothers, the SAD would clear out. So, it wouldn't be a $1,700 a year hit for homeowner Jenny, who also has a mortgage and an HOA fee and utility costs and tumba costs. It was going to clear out and be incorporated into that sales property. Do you have any recollection of those discussions or do you see anything like that in the guidelines or the Stonegate one that you worked on prior? No, that is not the intent of this. It would be just like any other SAD we have and it would be due by the homeowners. Well, let's talk about the other SADs we have because comments were made about Somerset as an SAD. I think we also have one on trademark, but those were always for roads. Okay, those were always for roads and we do have through our road improvement project other ways that we've dealt with roads for assessment. this is bringing the very core infrastructure need to the area. Um, and it's it's causing me concern particularly because I don't see anywhere one that we're not going to do a feedback loop on why Stonegate failed and two those other priorities on the master plan. You know, how is it advancing how's it a priority area? how's it advancing benefits to the community and those sort of things. And and you just it seems like staff's just so ready to just rush to a deposit agreement and bring in fiscal analysis folks. I don't think that's right. I think we really need to ponder and learn first and foremost why this one didn't work. And you know what's I'm very concerned about the 58,000 being loaded onto households that could struggle um over years. And I want to see the model that I thought I understood, which was these would clear out a time of title sale. So, I guess now I'm ready to hear from, you know, the applicants. Okay. Thank you so much, Councilwoman Door. Sure. Go ahead. Um, here's here's my concern. Um, and I'm a little bit with Council Member Breas, and I've brought this up to the staff to applicants that I want to understand more about the project before I dive in. And I don't like to be, well, it's just one step. I mean, the lawyers taught me if you're not comfortable with something, stop at annexation, right? Don't go all the way annex and then see if you love the project. So, I wanted to understand the project, what it is. Um, I believe Mr. Hicks has a presentation, too. If you would like to see it, it's up to the mayor. I mean, I'm fine to see it. Do you do you want to show that, Mr. Hicks? If you'd like to follow the staff report, but I'd be happy to. Sure. Come on up. which I have read by now. Um, but here's here's my biggest issue. So, if you put this over time, 30 years, that means that you're not just paying the cost, but you're paying interest, right? And I think the whole purpose of this is to get our low interest rate. Is that right? Yes, that is. And what is our interest rate now? Right now, they're running around 4%. Okay. Which is phenomenal still. It's not 2% like it was, but it's still phenomenal. So, but spreading it out over 30 years means that um they're going to pay a lot in interest like you know like a mortgage payment. And so that's all I wanted to make sure I understood. Would there be another SAD for roads? Would there be another SAD for the sewer? What about the HOA fees? I just want to make sure will all that come back when you do this analysis. I don't believe anything else is anticipated. Am I correct or there's not nothing? Well, nothing specific at this time, but nothing to preclude them from coming back for the rest of the infrastructure costs like roads or fire or whatever. There's no plan. No plan. Okay. Thank you. We took one minute, but All right. Any other questions, Councilman Ree? Because I can't see you. Anyone else? All right. Mr. Hicks, you want to come on up? There's your little clicker. Yeah. Thank you, uh, mayor and members of the council. Again, Josh Hicks with McDonald Corano. Um, we've just put together a brief, um, presentation. I'm anticipating that there there might be some questions about what kind of infrastructure um, is envisioned. Uh and I also was was going to give a brief overview of the project itself because several council members are new weren't here in 2021 when the uh when the tenative map and the associated special use permits were all put together. So um this first slide just gives you a bit of a visual of the area. This is um the the project site which is out in Verdi. Um and you can see see it here. Um you can see at the top of this screen that's the bend of I80 where it goes from west going down to the south. Um at the top of that screen is Boomtown and Cabela's and on the um west side of that is is Verdi over there. So the the red parcels themselves um are the toll project. Uh and you can see it's it's all vacant undeveloped land. uh a couple points that we put on just just to walk you through them. This, like I said, this went came before council and was approved back in March of 2021. Uh you can see 1,225 residential units are planned. Uh 697 acres of open space. Uh you can even see some of the the dirt road there that goes up Garson Road up into the hills that's that's used by a lot of recreationalists. That will all be preserved. Um and that access will still be in place. Uh there's some commercial, there's some multif family. Um some things were actually changed as those of you on the council might recall here. Um some industrial was ramped down and changed into multif family to to to better accommodate what the council wanted to see. Uh there's two site two park sites. There's a school site that we're working with county right now to to dedicate. Uh and then there were also uh various commitments from Toll Brothers uh including uh money per door for fire facilities, money per door uh based on square foot at commercial for fire facilities and then uh money to the Reno land trust for the affordable housing projects as well as some roadway safety improvements that are actually offsite um that were were requested um by some of the Verdai residents. This is a visual that will give you an idea of the water infrastructure that we're talking about. Uh the first thing you might notice is that this infrastructure is offsite. Uh this isn't the water infrastructure that's going to uh the properties themselves. This is this is all Tamwa infrastructure. Uh it's off-site as I mentioned earlier. It's oversized uh because it would it would allow Tama to service other properties as they're developed. uh and you know that there's always a possibility they may want to participate in a district uh they may deal with it some other way but Toll Brothers being the first out of the shootute has to um be responsible for putting that infrastructure in place. So that's the uh that's the component of the of the SAD. You can see um on the right side of that screen uh which is the east side you can see where the infrastructure starts um with tunnel facilities and that's kind of over by um the Patagonia warehouse. You can see that down on the bottom along I 80 um and then it runs along um you know and it eventually makes its way out to the project. Um, again, this is um I don't want to speak for Tumbla, but I know this is part of TUMA's long-term plan to make sure there's adequate water service provided uh out to the area. And again, this this district when it is formed will provide uh assessments on u it won't the toll residents um and property owners won't pay the entire amount of that infrastructure. They'll pay a proratic share that's appropriate for their usage of the system. Uh, and then the district itself, um, I know we've talked about it before, but it will provide a set payment fee uh, for the life of those bonds for whoever the property owner is. Um, toll will be the property owner at first for a while and they'll pay the assessments once they're sold off. The ultimate property owners will pay them for the life. Um, and that's as opposed to those costs being baked into the house price of the home and carrying on with the mortgage and the higher mortgage interest rate over time. So, here you can see, and I apologize that we tried to make this blow this up as much as we possibly could. Um, but wanted to give you an idea of what the the infrastructure was going to look like. And again, I want to caveat this by saying because we're here on a deposit agreement, which is just providing funds to the city to start looking at this a little more carefully as we go through this process and come back to the council with the actual requests for the bond ordinance, the assessment ordinance, the the DFA, the development finance agreement. Uh there'll be more specifics in terms of what the infrastructure is going to look like, what the infrastructure is going to cost. Some of that comes down to what the appraisal values are uh and matching up with the guidelines that the city has has put in place on these special assessment districts. So, uh with that said, this is the east side of the infrastructure. Uh and then again, this the far right side of your screen there, that's kind of the area just um around where the Patagonia warehouse is. Um you know, at Fourth Street, um you can see a housing development across White Fur Drive there. And that's kind of where things start. Um, and I won't read the whole list to you, but I will tell you it's in your staff report. U, there is a section called project description, and there's 10 discrete components of this off-site water infrastructure OS1 through OS10. And those are all identified on here. And those are different things, their water manes, um, their water tanks, their connections. So, u you can actually see that if you have questions, but again, that will be very specific once we come back with the district boundaries and the ordinances um to know exactly what the the projects are going to be. But again, these are all projects that have been identified as necessary by TUMA um not only to provide service to toll, but to provide service to other projects out there uh as well. And then here's just a view of the west side. Um you can see most of the most of the infrastructure is is um significantly offsite along I 80. Um there are a few sections that that are um a little closer to the project. Uh and that's indicated here. You can also see uh the secondary access road that was that was put in place. Uh it's that red squiggly line on the left side. That's the access point um from the west side of the project. Otherwise, Garson Road is the the main way in. Uh, and with that, I'm happy to answer any questions. I hope that gave you an idea of what the infrastructure uh we anticipate is going to look like. Again, you know, we really appreciate the consideration of this deposit agreement, and we look forward to getting the city the information they need uh to hopefully come forward and and get this moving uh and get some infrastructure out there in a as in a cost-effective way as we can. Again, it's all publicly owned infrastructure. So, uh, the idea of doing that at the lowest interest rate possible, I think, uh, is a good one both for developers and for the city. Thank you. Great. Thank you so much. I'm going to ask Councilwoman Taylor, if you have a question. Um, actually, I have a question for Vicki. Madam May, go ahead. Hi, Vicki. Thank you for your help. Um, a couple quick questions. Based on the presentation we just saw, I heard Mr. Hicks say this is just something that we're looking at closer at this point right now. That's what this tool does. Correct. Um in reading the staff report, I can see that it says there's no direct financial impacts to the city. So are there any financial risks associated with moving forward with this to the city at this point? No, there are not. The next step after this, if if council approves, would be looking at doing a developer financing agreement where you would um figure out all those different terms as far as what the developer is going to do, what the timeline looks like and everything. So, that would be more spel spelled out in that. Okay. So, this is just a tool to look a little bit further, see what's feasible, correct? No risks, no financial commitment. Get reimbured for any cost associated by the city in doing the work for this project because it's not a city project. It's requested by the developer so we can get reimbursed for our cost for that. So we're not taking you away from any other major projects or moving your time. I'm able to do it. Yes. Okay. Thank you so much. That's all I have. All right. Any other questions? Go ahead. Councilwoman Der. I think um Councilwoman Breakus might be next, but okay. You go and then we'll you can go. Um so here I'll try to get my question in a nutshell and it may require Mr. Hicks coming back. But so in another world where we don't do an SAD, they have a cost to provide water and they embedded in the cost that they sell the house and the lot, right? So it's embedded already. And I thought Mr. Hicks made a great point that then they get a mortgage and they're paying a higher mortgage rate for that package. That logic holds if um the house price is priced accordingly. So my question and I guess this this document says the agenda says the purpose of this is to find define the terms and condition under which monies will be advanced. So this might be my term and condition one of them anyway which is that what would prevent the Toll Brothers from charging the same price as a next door neighbor but they don't have embedded the cost of the water system. So what strikes me is if they get to charge let's say the house next door in the next property over is 600,000. I think that was not in three minutes but is 600,000 and they're going to charge 600,000 also but the one next door has embedded in it the the water system. This one doesn't. It strikes me that that extra dollars would go to profit. And I guess what I don't want to do is do that. I don't I would want them to charge less for their house. maybe their house would only be 670 or I'm sorry 570 or something less than 600. So what I want to know is that we've taken away this cost and how do we make sure that they don't charge the same price and just make profit on that. Do you have a what I mean I think this is I think this is certainly something you can explore as we move along through the process. Well that's what I would like to do. I don't expect an answer in the moment. How you're going to prove that, but do you see what I'm saying, Josh? Thank you, Councilwoman Der. Josh Hicks with McDonald. For the record, I I think I understand what you're saying. Um I think it's important to think about the macroeconomics of home building. Okay. Um like I'd mentioned earlier, the the end price of a home is a factor of a lot of things, right? uh it's a factor of land costs, it's a factor of labor costs, it's a factor of material costs, it's the intangibles, it's the delays, it's the permits, everything that goes into that. Hopefully, at the end of the day, um and then of course at the time it's sold, market conditions are extremely important. Extremely what? Are extremely important. Yeah. And as we've seen right now, it depends what interest rates are doing. It has a huge impact on home prices. Um this the amount of demand and supply has a huge impact on home prices. is if there's high demand and not much supply, which is what we've experienced in Reno over the past few years, home prices um accelerate and that's just a market situation that is uh the loss. So, what I'm trying to get at is are we doing anything good if two two homes and next adjoining developments and they're being sold at the same time, which is common. Um can we can you know, we want to do something for the consumer. Can we lower the price? Woman, I'm going to cut you off. Oh, well, can we have this addressed? So, finish it. Yeah, finish what you're trying to Yeah. I'm just trying to get at Can we have this addressed so that we we understand what the impact is? We help buyers uh have a lower cost because they've gotten a lower interest rate for the infrastructure rather than betting it in their mortgage. And I I get Josh takes for the record. I would say that's exactly what we're trying to do here. Uh we are trying to create a situation where the costs are as low as possible to build a home. That's what he home can be sold for as competitive a price as possible. And this is again this is publicly owned infrastructure. This is a water system that Tumbl will own. So building that as cost-effectively as possible is helpful for everybody and it will be again like I said if it's baked into the price of the home, it's in the mortgage. It's there really probably forever. Um if it's on an assessment, it's on a set time schedule. It's a set amount and it's paid off earlier. Okay. Thanks. All right, Councilman Breas, go ahead. Yeah, you know, I asked for these guidelines on February 14th and we just got them at the table just like the other day. We got something at the table, a4 million dollar agreement that I'd been asking for for a week. And um you know, I'm really concerned because a lot of the questions Miss Stewart is asking about really get into time, money, market absorption that are never going to be definitive. you know, there's going to be ranges and I think a more full application outlining those is really what the council needs to evaluate this. You know, we look stupid with Stonegate going down. Okay. I I I I've read a lot of these after for a lot of years, but we look really bad. And you know, will that come on some rating? I don't know. Just doesn't look good. But you know if after an initial review the staff believes the application satisfies all section of these guidelines an item will be placed on the council agenda authorizing negotiations. This is a request to authorize negotiations but the factors of the application have not been brought forward. It's just a pitch. It's just kind of a concept. the guidelines have a lot of information that have to be filled before you even get to this point and bring it before us. So, I don't know. I mean, I feel like there's advocacy on behalf of the city staff rather than watching and implementing our guidelines, and I'm concerned. But my question for Mr. Hicks is, why does the number one home builder in the nation need the city of Reno $30 million bond help? Why [Music] don't you have resources? Doesn't your don't doesn't isn't capital available to the company or is there some cut that goes to the local people here in getting this through public money here? Josh Hicks uh for the record. Uh again, this is publicly owned infrastructure. So, uh Tol's position, I think, which is a reasonable one is that we should all work together to lower the cost of publicly owned infrastructure as much as possible. Um, special assessment districts. I mentioned this earlier, but I think this is a good time to to mention it again. They've been in place since 1989. Um, they're widely used in a lot of parts of the state. Um, southern Nevada in particular. They're very common down there for exactly that reason because it lowers the cost of publicly owned infrastructure and it ultimately lowers the cost of the home itself. So, the idea of lowering costs is always something to be done. Um, yeah. And that's why we've supported this. Uh we'd urge the the council to look at it. We think these are a good idea. Well, but that jumps up against concepts in our master plan that development pays its own way and also housing affordability. And you know, when you're going to be shoving on $58,000 of um debt onto a property over a life of a 30-year, um I'm not sure, you know, and we've had a failure. And also, you know, I was involved in these early on and they are not that successful. They're actually very disproven models. So, and we have case study with it. So, I I don't know. I'm not I'm having a hard time be because I don't even see that we've gotten to this point of analyzing the application to be informed of taking that next step. And that makes me unhappy that we're not even following our our policies. Okay. Our guidelines breakfast. I would like to make one comment. We have not spent a lot of time on this because this is the first step to take the deposit. If council chooses to take the deposit and determines that we need to spend some time on this, then we would spend t staff time on this and would be reimburseed for it. We have not spent a lot of time on this other than getting the materials together, getting the information to you so you can make that determination if you're going to take the deposit. And then if you do then we will spend the extra time to do the analysis work, hire the consultants and do the work and bring it back before council so that you can make a more complete decision. But we were not going to spend staff time on this without being reimbured for it. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. Um where are we at, Mr. Clerk? So with comments, we have uh three rounds from council members Breus and Derer and then one each for Ree and Taylor. Okay. Any questions from um Councilwoman Taylor? Go ahead. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'm I don't have a question, but Vicki, I just want to say um in our briefing and I don't say for the record very much, but I think it was inappropriate for Councilwoman Breus to insult you and I feel like it was something that just happened again and I apologize for that because I don't think that you are um taking preference on anything and I think it needs to be said. So, thank you very It's important that we we get reimbursed for our costs and this is the first step if we're even going to look at this. All right. Um okay. Any further questions? Seeing that there are none, I believe, um it's your word, correct? So, Councilwoman Taylor, uh give me a motion, please. Motion to approve staff recommendations. All right. I have a motion. I have a second. I have a question. Discussion for one minute. Yep. Councilwoman Dur, do you know Vicki? Um, there's there's a I think they said 1,200 homes here, but they also said that infrastructure would be oversized to accommodate more homes. If more homes came in, could it drive down the price? I was confused because Mr. Hicks said it was just the Toll Brothers portion of a cost and I didn't know. Right. Thank you for that question. That's really important. No, it wouldn't because they could only bond for and do the assessment for the portion that applied to this development. So any oversizing that they do for um to accommodate Tamwa or any of those other requirements, they would not be able to bond for. So the residents in this area would only be paying for the portion that serves them. Any oversizing would be on the developer. But they don't know the total or do we know the total cost that Tom will have? And then they understand a proportion like they don't know what the total buildout is. Based on the information that we had, I think they said around 32 million was the cost of the infrastructure. So they're not even so and the portion that they're asking for is about 25 million. So it is going to cost significantly more than what they are asking for in the bond. Thank you. Mhm. Um yeah, first of all, um the member from W five does not need to take any responsibility for my behavior just like I don't take any responsibility for her comments or her involvement in how she does her duties. Secondly, um, as mentioned previously, as a Toma board member, I made a great effort to see the Boomtown water utility, private utility incorporated and fold into TAMWA because I recognized that the council had made some annexations going back to the regional plan settlement way back when and did not want to see Reno residents come in on satellite wa water utility. We were getting away from satellite water utilities in uninc incorporated wa county certainly not a municipal standard. I always supported the concept of future planning out there outside of the legal settlement for everything we needed in the Verdide area from a an overpass freeway overpass that's is going to be servicing this area that's not queued up and lots of other areas. Okay. But no one wanted to do that. And I always thought with planned sequential growth, there could be an assessment district, but it'd be one organized at this table, not for someone who's going to just look out for themselves. Someone who came if I could. Someone someone who came in for a tenative map. Sorry. Sorry. You're over one minute. Oh, I'm sorry. Anyone else want to speak? Okay. On their Councilman Ree. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um I think for my part I want us to focus on the fact that we have a housing crisis in Reno. I believe that whatever we can do to reduce the cost of housing and I believe the SAD is one way of doing that uh by taking the lower financed interest that they can get by attaching themselves to the special assessment district path that means those costs are then not borne by the consumer. And so um I have supported the development of the project in this area and believe that uh Toll will be an excellent partner for the work that's ahead of us. And so we have to use the tools that we have in the toolbox. The special assessment district is one of them and I will be supportive. Um, I appreciate uh Council Member Taylor's uh leadership in this area and also appreciate Miss Vampurine very much uh your efforts to uh just stay focused on what's in front of us and not uh be baited into uh any shenanigans. All right. Thank you. So, I had a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. I. I. All those opposed? Opposed. Motion carries. Okay. Thank you. All right. Sending it back to you, Mr. Clerk. Thank you. We are moving on to item D2. D3, I'm sorry. Okay. All right. Item D3. Mr. Clerk, do we have any public comment on this item? We do not. Okay. Thank you. So, I'm going to just send it right to you, Mr. Flansberg. The floor is yours. Nice to see you. Nice to see you. Good afternoon, Madame Mayor, members of the council. For the record, John Plansburg, regional infrastructure administrator. I have spent a little time with you uh this year so far. Uh in January, I was here on the 25th to talk about some future items I would be bringing forward. This is one of those. It's the sewer capacity allocation program. What is the sewer capacity allocation program? In 2019, as we were getting uh to um less and less capacity available in North Valleys, we brought to council and it was approved to initiate a sewer capacity allocation program. Uh a couple things that change when we do this. When development comes in for their building permits, uh they're required to pay uh at the time of building permit because we're still under that sewer allocation program. Uh we also received direction on expansion of the wastewater treatment plant at Renoad and um other actions uh as like the advanced purified water project. So with that [Music] uh what I'm here to do today is I'm asking I'm requesting that we um additional flow available that we can use as part of a flowshape project. and I'll get into what that is in a moment. Uh we're asking for additional flow to come in uh in our sewer allocation program. Currently, we are down to only about 8,000 gallons. That's about 49 equivalent residential units. Uh that's because we had a development come in between the time I sent a council memo a couple weeks ago and today uh to request um for their subdivision. So, what do we do under a sewer allocation program? There's sewer will serve letters. Um we issue those at time of payment. that is saying that we will serve them at the Reno Stead plant. Uh and and so that's the paper capacity, if you will, of the plant that we work on. The actual flow that comes into the plant is different. Um and this past year, the actual flow coming into the plant was 1.9 million gallons. So although we have committed flows of uh say almost 2.2 million gallons, only 1.9 is flowing in the door actual flow. It takes at least 12, 18 months, 24 months for some of these projects to come in. And one of the major projects that came in in the last few months was Copper Mesa. It was an affordable housing project, 290 units. That was over 50,000 gallons by itself. It'll likely take at least three years for that project to be fully built out uh when we actually have people inside taking showers, washing dishes, and flushing toilets. Here is our current worksheet. You will recognize this from the memos that we write. Um uh the past one I I provided had showed that we had about 30,000 gallons, but as I mentioned, a Royal Crossing phase 2 came in for 142 units. So, we're down to about 8,000 today. One of the reasons why I didn't come to council sooner was I wanted to make sure we had the right sewer connection fees in place, which have now been approved and and are in place, uh because I think that's important that we're getting the right fee for the capacity that we have. Uh the these are all the projects that have come in in the last couple years uh and have and how much capacity they've used. At the very very top you'll see that there's four projects. That's only a total of,268. It's very small. Uh those are all commercial type. Those are the ones that are in plan review today. So not a lot in there. Um I want to bring to your attention though that on the uh next large uh column number five projects initiated but not to will serve in the multifamily column the lake sky Vista apartments and the silver peak apartments both have units remaining that could take an additional 67 um000 gallons and those could go to permit quite quickly. Uh they are not in for permit yet but when they go there is there aren't any other approvals. they've already been approved. So, they those multif family um projects can go quickly. And this just finishes out looking way out in the horizon of other projects that have been out there and what we could be looking at for planning in our longer term planning. So, I can't really talk to you about the sewer capacity allocation program without talking about the flowch. So, what is the flowch? In 2017, we had um we experienced uh very wet winter. Uh we had several atmospheric river storms that came through and Swan Lake uh was filling and during that time um uh we had the response and and flooding concerns that that had occurred. Uh we worked with Wo County. Wo County has the response for Swan Lake. Um as we were looking at options we could do in 2019. we still had a pretty high lake level. And so we uh did a project at the Renostead plant and what that plant what that does and just to remind you what we do at Renoad, the sewer comes in, we treat it um and then we discharge to Swan Lake except for in the summer when we have most of our water is going out for irrigation needs. Uh this project actually allowed for a portion of the sewage coming into the plant on the front end that we built a physical pipeline to tie it into uh a line that we pump our sludge. So when we treat all of the sewer and we get to the end, we end up with an effluent, a class A effluent, and we end up with sludge. The sludge we don't treat on site. We actually pump that through a pipeline over to Truckucky Meadows Water Reclamation Facility. So, we built this physical pipeline to connect from the headworks down to this area so we could divert that raw sewage coming in up to 500,000 gallons. That's what the flow shave is. It also gives us the ability then to um have more development occur in the short term until we get our water uh advanced purified water project completed. In this map, the red are those areas that are currently would be served by the Lemon Valley Water Reclamation Facility. The purple is are the flows that go to the Truckucky Meadows facility and the blue are where we would serve from the Reno Stead plant. So, what's changed? We also in 2019 uh installed a pipeline overland and a pump into Swan Lake so that we could pump the lake down. We physically have the ability in the flood response to to reduce the amount of water in uh Swan Lake. We pump that water up to the American Flat Farm. And so uh the amount that we pump is over 400 million gallons in a typical irrigation season. If we can pump that the entire time, that's um equivalent to uh about 1,200 acre feet. Uh that's important because that's something we didn't have in place in 2017 that we have in place today. Here is a graph and it the first set uh the first uh green uh lines if you will is the amount of rainfall we received in 2017. Uh then it was two times normal. In 2018 it was about normal just a little over that red dashed line in the middle. That's our average rainfall. In 2018, we again received um a lot more rainfall than typical. And so the blue line is following through to where the lake level is today. And so on the far far right of this graph, the blue line ends at 4,919 um is the elevation of the lake today. Why is that important? Because on this graph you can see on the bottom the elevation 40 thou 4919 uh colored shaded in orange equ is equivalent to about 3,900 acre feet of water total in the lake today. We get a flood response at 10,000 acre feet. So we're about 40% the lake has about 40% water um in it today. Uh I also wanted to mention that um snowtail data so we know how much snow we have in the peines because that will also contribute to the lake. If all of the snow were to melt today and go into the lake it would be about equivalent about 1.5 ft would take us up to about 4920 which would be about 5500 acre feet in the lake. Still quite a ways below the 10,000 acre feet. Um and as I mentioned previously, we will start um irrigating in April uh for the American Flat Farm and start physically pumping water out. It's important that we talk about this because we have two lake management strategies. One is using the flow shave for diverting sewage that then um that would have been processed at the Reno Stee plant and discharged to the lake and the other is for um the fact that we can actually pump directly out uh to irrigate American Flat Farm. So I bring I bring those to you really just to say that we have the ability to work with our um with these tools. I'm asking for an additional 125,000 gallons to get us up to 350. I'm still reserving 150,000 gallons of the flow shave for future council consideration. We don't know how fast we're going to grow up in the north valleys. I think it's good for us to have these periodic check-ins to see where we're at. 125,000 gallons um would give us equivalent with the 8,000 gallons remaining would give us about 700 uh single family homes equivalency. Uh that would leave about 800 single family homes equivalency remaining for future council consideration. And so that that's that's my request today. Um certainly happy to go over any more details on the flow on the flow shave or the sewer allocation program. Okay. Thank you so much, Mr. Flber. Council Dor. Sure. Um John, I have a question. I I talked to you offline and I asked you is it is there a world where you would see that we would allocate all 500,000 gallons of the flowch. And you said to me, at least I understood you to say no because we had to re reserve some room. If we have to pump water off the lake, we have to be able to take that. And if we allocate all of that, there won't be any room in the flow shave to to lower the water table. Certainly. Certainly we can pump um anytime during irrigation season and take all that water. It's the diversion of flow that when we actually start having to divert flow um because we've added because we're getting physical wet water into the plant over 2 million gallons, we would start diverting flow. For this last year, for instance, even though we were allocated at two 2 uh 15 2.2 million gallons through most of the year, we only our average flow into the plant was only 1.9. But um I think it's prudent to take a look at that and see what the actual um how much flow we've actually allocated and what the flows are coming in and take a look at those. That's my concern is that we started the flow shave as a way to reduce the water level in the lake twofold. Yeah. Twofold reduce water to the lake because we would divert some effluent and for future capacity for growth. Okay. So what I'm just saying is I don't think we can fill up the whole 500,000 with future capacity and I'm wondering where the cut off point is. Sure. How much should we reserve of the 500,000 as an overflow need so for in the winter when we can't irrigate out at the um American flat farm American flat then it has to go somewhere like we if we have an ability to not flood people then we want to do that. So will you sometime calculate that? I mean, what is your plan? I think this is the plan. Uh, we reserve 150,000 gallons for now so we can come back to council in the future as we get closer. And there is also the ability we have to swap out the types of pumps that we currently have in there to maybe gain some additional capacity uh in the current pump house. Uh, that has some cost into it, but it's probably it could be prudent. I think that's a good conversation to have when we get uh when we see how fast this next trunch of of uh sewer capacity begins to be used. And again, we'll continue sending uh you uh sewer allocation memos throughout the year so you understand where we are at. But the sewer allocation memos don't replace you standing up here explaining stuff to us. They just don't. And what I would like to see at this point is for you to calculate how much capacity we need to leave in the flow shave to be conservative to ensure we can protect people. We we've already um agreed to a settlement, very high settlement. We don't want to have to go replicate that. So, we do need to reserve some capacity. And I'm asking you, if we're at 350,000 and we only have 150,000 left, it strikes me that we might need to reserve virtually all of that for and Swan Lake. And we may and and that's why I'm not recommending going to f capacity. Well, I figured you weren't recommending higher because there wasn't demand for hire. No, I I think it's prudent for us to reserve this out and if if we get closer to come back to council for another conversation just like this. Okay. Well, my expectation is that Okay, I'll just finish. My expectation is that we're going to leave enough capacity in the flow shave to deal with the emergency situation. Okay. Okay. Council breakfast, I am really struggling from the acute situation of a pretty big winter with storm still coming in and the long-term plan. And um you know, I appreciate you feel you've made progress. I have a presentation here from August of 2019 and the the FEMA flood plane is 4924. You stayed on this and the top of the Hesco area is is 4926. What are we at right now? We're at 4919. So the orange shaded area, that's how full the lake is. And that equates to about 3900 acre feet. If we're at 4919 and the top of the Hesco barriers is 4926 and we got a lot of snow in the mountains, how do we know we're not going to top the Hesco barriers? Again, as I mentioned, um through the snowtail data at Big Meadow, which is a good, um location source to determine how much snow we also have at Peine, if all of that were to melt, uh we would get about a 1.5 foot response in Swan Lake, meaning we'd go from 4919 to 4920.5, which would take us up to about 55 5600 acre feet of water. Still quite a ways below that level. Well, the Huscoll barriers are like, you know, um having the net below you in a high-rise building to jump into. I mean, they're not like a cushion. They're they're desperation in my view from my understanding. So, but you feel you can bleed off. I think you showed 1.1 mg. Now, do you have But is that if you went 24 hour 20 12 months a year? No, that that's what we did the first year that we had the um American Flat Farm in place and we were irrigating. Um and just to to remind or just just as a general information for the for you and the public, we actually have sensors located in the ground at the farm so we don't overwater. We don't want to overwater the farm. We want to have enough that we grow the crop but not so much that we would um flood the crop to where we would get migration of the water down further. We just we we just want to just like you would any farming or turf operation. We operate it in that way. Well, we have an environmental permit, right, for that. I mean, yes, we're under EDP and D on that. So, that's that. Now, the second thing is um the long term and I'm I'm just I'm having trouble with the long term. I think the conversation needs to be flipped instead of these guys came in, these guys came in, these guys are out here. I think this council needs to say this is where the line is. This is where the line is because the one water is not coming on for five years and this is where we're putting it down. And I'm very very concerned about the Lemon Valley treatment plant which is always this little side thing over here but it was enough for you to show it as blue. It's it's the county one. I hear the county you know is you know nice talking ND all the time on their performance. And I also remember that plant in the middle of the lake four years ago. So I am having a very hard time with this on where we get with the Hesco barriers, but also I can't tell people where the long term is. Especially people who are like, well, what are you doing with the storm water utility? Where are your sewer fees going? That's Saul. But people in the broader community, what's it going to cost out there? Who's coming in line? I think the council needs to say this is the cuto off. So if you're and it's good for the market. They know certainty. No one's going to come in for a tenative map because the council says we're done. We're done until we can go for MGD. Everyone else go away. Make other plans. That's where the council needs to be right now because we are going way too close. I mean I don't live my life, you know, too close on that edge. And I feel that while technically you may feel that you know we're okay and you can engineer it and move water here and there I live 2017 2018 2019 and I'm hearing the same talk hesco barriers. I'm hearing you know another storm coming in. I am concerned council go ahead. Well uh just to answer that question I mean yes we have tools in place we didn't have in 2017. That's why we did that. In fact, it was the council and and some of the former council members that made those decisions that allowed us to uh take a bold move to put the pump and put the pipeline up to American Flat Farm and start this farm that we could use the irrigation that allows us to manage that lake level during the summer months that we didn't have in 2017, 2018. And we all remember I also lived those years. Um, and so I I do feel more comfortable uh with where we are. And I and I thought it was important to show you this is the situation where we are today and this is what um kind of kind of what we have in front of us. And I appreciate your point, Council Member Dur, that um you know, there may be a portion that we do want to reserve or we may want to come back with an alternate solution to increase size of pumps that allow us to have more capacity to pump through the through that pipeline. But uh today and where we are, I feel very comfortable with this uh recommendation and it falls right on the heels of the um connection fee discussion that we had and and the connection fee is how we got to what that fee needed to be was the infrastructure needed to be built to get us in the long-term solution. Right. The other thing I just want to point out for everyone is that you didn't create this problem. Matter of fact, I think you probably are thinking about it all the time. Um, this is something that you have really, I think, especially in tough circumstances. I mean, we get a lot of people here yelling at us and, you know, then they get onto social media and hating us and, you know, it's it's really hard to control mother nature. And then as I think as humans, the intent to is to do the best we possibly can. And I know that that's where your heart is. Sometimes we get it right, sometimes we get it wrong. But I also think, you know, there's this sort of underlying sentiment like shooting the messenger and these kinds of things. And um and I want to say thank you because you've always stood up here and done a very very good job. And I think you know you're very very talented and sometimes we don't have a crystal ball and I think that you have um been a target of unnecessary attacks often times and there is frustration. Everyone's frustrated and of course you know I I mean some of the comments at council have been just absolutely so so um I don't even know what the word is for it but just disgusting quite honestly. and I I just want to say thank you because I know you care about this a lot and we don't come in here and are like okay let's do this and make it worse and I hate that sort of feeling and there's you know there's sometimes I feel like especially from one council member that that sort of kind of energy and attack continues and I and I want you to be aware that I think most everyone is really appreciative of what you do so thank you so much Mr. Swansburg. Thank you, Madam Mayor. And I I would just want to recognize Wo County. They learned a lot in this process, too. They have the response for Swan Lake and they have geared up and put uh controls in place and they have already ordered Hesco barriers to put up if need be if they get beyond a certain level and they they are they are being very proactive in their response and being prepared for this if if we go that far. And we don't really see that it's going to get there. I I guess I I understand why people are angry, but also I think there's a lot of people doing the best that they can and maybe, you know, not always the right decision is being made, but there isn't a crystal ball. I'm not saying to you directly, but um there isn't a crystal ball, but I don't think the intent is for anyone to harm anyone. And again, mother nature is a very hard thing to control. So, I just ask people for a little bit of grace and mercy. And I understand, you know, um, and the city took responsibility, by the way. We certainly did. So, thank you. I appreciate you. And we're preparing for flood and for drought. Yeah. That I mean, I always think, oh my gosh. Oh, when we get into there, it always makes my stomach kind of turn. Go ahead, Council. So, I just wanted to thank you, John, for managing through, right? We have to get through the crisis. We also have to get to a landing spot for the future. get to the 4MGD, which I understand is not that far off, right? But what isn't that what is a little further off is what do we do with the discharge? Do we go to a reservoir? Do we is it all taken up by American Flat? Uh does some of it go out the flow shave? Um we don't know those answers and I'm concerned that we're going to have a plant that's sitting there done, but we can't use it because we don't have these, you know, these discharge options. I know you're working on all of them simultaneous. So, in this one, the flow shave, the only thing I would ask, you know, I'm going to support this today, but the thing I would ask is that you um kind of buckle down and figure out how much we should reserve being proactive and conservative. Not like how much can we push it to, you know, only save 10%. Um, but how much should we shave save for an emergency worst case scenario? That's what I would like to know. And then we have to know that when that day comes that's like a moratorum. It means we can't go beyond that means when we fill up this 350,000 uh we're done essentially if that's the number. I don't presume that I do know the number but whatever the number is that that's the end and there might be a period a year or two where the plant is ready the the discharge options aren't there and things have to be at a stasis or whole point until everything comes back together. We will always provide we always come back and make sure we provide you the options of what's out there and and and where we need to go. Well, when it comes to flooding and emergencies, I guess I tend to be a little conservative. We've already seen sort of some negative downsides that nobody wanted. And uh whether you live out at Swan Lake or you don't or you're managing through or you're us, nobody wanted that. But um and in order to prevent that from happening again, I'm going to tend to be conservative, right? because I don't want to lean in and say, "Well, probably won't happen." I I live in the world of it's a likely option. It could happen and I don't want it to happen. So, just a word of caution, you know, and I'd love to see you come back and kind of give us some sense of what that looks like. Okay, Madame Mayor. All right. Any further questions? Yeah. You know, Ree, thank you, Madam Mayor. No, I have no questions. All right. Thank you so much. you know, um, where are we at? Hold on one second. Where are we at, Mr. Uh, currently we have council member Derer with two rounds and council member Breas with one and everyone else with none. Okay, council breakfast. Yeah, you know, the statement was we have a lot of tools we didn't have before with the flow shave and the farm, but we also have a lot more development. And I think I'm the only person in this body who sat through the hearing with the flooding and watch the jury come back and the art the findings they had to make and it was runoff and it was the the plant. And so the storm runoff is also a concern with the impermeable areas. Now in theory, every single imper impermeable area and there's some monsters there. There's multiple new developments the size of Metawwood Mall over there with hard top even greater than Metawwood Mall because they're industrial and in theory they're holding back water. But we haven't tested that and they're moving further up the flank. That pee vine one is going to be cutting into the hillside soon. I I just don't know that you've even been run modeling to knit all those together to make sure that you know we're not going to see that that issue. And what are you going to do? Your your presentation said Swan Lake Pla, but you're not talking about Silver Lake. What are you doing with Silver Lake Ply if it starts to expand like it did? Yeah, thank you for the question. Uh it brings to mind two things. Uh the first point is uh and and I didn't describe this but we actually increased our mitigation for new development coming in. So all the development that's come in for the last several years has had a 1.3 to one mitigation requirement. So um so that's in place but uh to your other point in Silverlake City of Reno has responsibility for Silver Silver Lake uh we are in a similar position as in terms of where Swan Lake is where we're probably around that 40% um full before we would start hitting some of the flood stage and so we're monitoring that. Um but I would say it's very similar uh in terms of the uh the overall response that we do you still have a flow line over from Silver to Swan? You know we've never had a flow line between silver and Swan. However, when Swan Lake gets uh to a certain height, very very high, um it actually will flow into Swan Lake. So, it'll go back because Silver Lake is about 40 feet 45 feet higher than Swan Lake in terms of where it elevation, but it's got a ridge line between it, right? So, it has to you'd have to it'd have to be 20 feet or more before it would start flowing. Some flow would go to Swan Lake. We never saw that before. There was accusations that we had some sort of flow line between the two, but we did not. Yeah. I'm I'm struggling. You know, we we had an understanding and we had an understanding when times were earlier and the memory was more fresh knowing that we were even going to bring these things on. And we still don't know where we're going. We still don't know where we're going with the one water. That's five years apart. We've got the Red Rock Reservoir and Hungry Valley proposals. Still don't know where we're going with these. We've got thousands of units up top. I would tell the council, let's have those discussions first. Let's have the discussion of when the form GD is coming on and when we're putting the door down on this. The backup to the sewer rates fund said, you know, it was an outside consultant FAR who we hired said essentially RZWORF is done. It's at capacity. So, we're kind of playing some it it has a statement to that effect, Mr. Flandsburg. It does. It's kind of a throwaway statement. says you're at capacity now. You know, you're bleeding off capacity, but I think we need to tackle that question and then know the known and then make the decisions of where we have playroom. All right, go ahead. Um, Megan or Councilwoman, sorry. Um I I know that we have additional measures in here to help with flooding, diverting water to the agriculture and uh the flow shave, but hearing that Silver Lake would divert to Swan Lake if that starts to flood. Is that what Oh, it we're we're talking um we're talking a event that would be make 2017 look very minor. Okay. Um but I I think council member Breis brings up good points about um the development that's going out there and and making the ground you know more impervious areas. Um, I think that we should kind of take that more into account and also we are having a lot of development out there and to say that we'll have enough capacity for approximately 18 uh 800 more homes if we approve this that seems like not a whole lot of um wiggle room for us. Like I'm a little uncomfortable with that just considering you know we are having a lot of um winter weather this year. Um, I know we have a lot of ways to to divert water now, but I'm just really not comfortable with just leaving that little capacity remaining. Um, yeah. Let me ask you from your perspective, what do you do about that? Well, I mean, because I get that, but is there an alternative? So, I mean, again, wet water coming to the plant, 1.9 million gallons. So, we have we have the full 500,000 flow shape available as needed to divert those flows. Um, if we get to a situation where we feel like it's getting closer to where we, you know, where something's going to go way different. But the biggest difference is come mid to third week of April, we're going to start pumping Swan Lake and sending water up to the farm and irrigating and making hay. We're going to make hay. We let the sunshine and make hay. Okay. But is I'm sorry. Is there you said there was sensors in the ground at the agriculture site there. I'm assuming there's a limit as well, you know, to how much water we can pump out there. What happens if you hit that limit? Yeah. And we still have water. The limit the limit is just the limit is just like you would water your turf, right? You just you don't there it it doesn't do you good to water six feet down for your grass. Uh so you're trying to keep it in that root zone. And the same thing we do with the hay. So it so when we talk about limiting, we limit the amount of water because you don't want to just needlessly flood the fields. Um you're trying to look for healthy crops, insects, the whole the whole farming thing that you would get into that process. So that's why we want to limit our flow. We don't want to overwater. But we but we do send a lot of water. And then mother nature, as much water as we pump up to Swan Lake, mother nature does three times that in evaporation. Okay. So, I guess my question is if um is there a limit to how much we can divert out if we're pumping it out to this field, would there be a point where they would say, "Okay, you can't pump any more water out here, but we still have flooding at Swan Lake." If if that capacity to divert the flow shape is not there, and we've already put all the water we can in that agricultural area, then is Yeah, it's what would we do? So, just to be clear, the agriculture area isn't like a reservoir that you pump up till you get so full and you call it call it quits. You're sending water up there pretty much every day, all the time. There's no limit to what we could You're constantly sending water. You're sending a flow up there constantly uh through the whole irrigation season. So, it's not like you get to a spot and say, "Oh, it's a it's August and we if we filled it up and we can't do anymore." It's not like that. You keep you keep sending up there just like you would water your grass. Okay. And if you don't do it, then what? Well, if we don't do it, then we we end up leaving that much water in the lake that is there for the next storms that come in the following winter. And so, this is the whole idea of that we have in place that we didn't in 2017 and 18. Uh is that we have the ability now to pump that lake down so that we start with a low lake every fall. Um when you know October 1st is the water year start. It's kind of a little it's off of our other seasons, but October 1st, September 30 is a water year. That's because that's kind of when we see the storm start coming in. So by that September 30 time frame, that lake is at one of its lowest levels it's going to be. Do you anticipate that changing? Because look at I mean I don't think I ever remember seeing this much snow in Reno and because of climate change and I mean the patterns are just becoming more and more unpredictable. What do you what do you think? Are you also kind of thinking differently there too? Well, and and that's why I think it's important that we have a lake management plan so we can uh manage this lake because we don't know if it's going to be snow up in the mountains or if it's going to be warmer coming in and just be more rain earlier, [Music] right? So, this Well, I hate to say it. I think regardless, anything you come up here and say, people are always going to criticize what you're trying to do. But I always say when we stop trying is whenever we fail. We got to do whatever we possibly can. Um, and it's hard for us because we're not, you know, water engineers. I mean, Councilwoman Dur has a lot of background in that, but I think still there are times where it's pretty complex, you know. So, thank you so much. Thank you. Appreciate it. Mayor, um, hold on, Mr. Clerk. Where are we at? Uh, so we have two rounds from council members Der and Breus and one from Eert. Okay. Councilwoman Neighbor Jenny or Council Member Barkas, you could go. I'm still thinking. Okay. Can we go back to your slide of who who's Councilwoman Taylor? Go ahead. Oh, sorry. Just trying to make sure everyone there equal time. Go ahead, Council Taylor. John, thank you for all of the information. When I look at the staff report, I see um one of the council members made a comment about being conservative. And I'm just wondering if this approach is a little bit conservative because we're at Swan Lake is at uh 3,750 acre feet of water. And when does it start flooding? Closer to 10,000 feet. So we're like 40% full. That's where we are right now. Okay. So I I feel like we're moving forward in a very scientific conservative method with this. We know more we know much more today than we did before. Okay. And we even know how much snow uh and what that snow response is going to cause in the lake which is something we didn't know in 2017. Okay. And that gives me a level of comfort too. And then what happens in April if you could just make that a little bit more clear for me. Yeah. So mid mid say the second or third week say mid April the third week of April we're going to start pumping down Swan Lake and sending that water up to American Flat Farm for irrigating the alpha alpha fields and I think there's still a grass hay field up there as well. Okay, thank you very much. Okay, we're done. Okay, Councilman uh Reese. Madame Mayor, I'm prepared to make a motion. Oh, I have a Do you want We're gonna go um to Councilwoman Eert. I didn't know if you had any questions, so go ahead, Councilwoman. Oh, no. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Okay. Go ahead, Councilwoman Eert. So, this is just temporary, right? Until we get the new or Yeah. Okay. So, this this whole this whole flow shave is just temporary until the water out, the advanced purified water project um uh is is in place. And then actually the good news at that point is we'll actually remove the sewer allocation program altogether and we won't have this uh this item. But this gives us it gives us the opportunity to have these conversations. Okay. And when when what's the time frame on that? The finalization of the advanced purified water is looking at four years. So we've got some time that we're going to be under this. We may go sooner than that if we have um as we start to divert water up for during the testing phase. Okay, great. So, um yeah, again, I'm I'm really great to hear about we have these different options, pump the water out, and we have the flow shave and we know, you know, at what point we need to bring the Hesco barriers out. My concern is just, you know, again, that we don't know how many homes are going to be added. I mean, we have, you know, permits and things like that, but we don't know when the building's going to start, and we don't know how much water runoff and things like that is going to divert. So, I know we have a really good handle on things as they stand now, but we don't necessarily know um what that's going to look like with upcoming development. So, um I just agree with Naomi's points uh and Jenny's that we need to be conservative um and if we can just you know going forward reserve the remaining flow shape um just you know in case of emergency. Okay. Would you like to give me a motion? Madame Mayor, I'd like one more chance to speak. Um no, you'll get a minute when we make the motion. No, I think I think we get two three minutes each and then one additional minute before the motion is how our rules read. It's discretionary. It it would be two three minutes and then a additional minute at the presiding officer's discretion. Okay. Go ahead, Councilwoman Eert. Would you like to make a motion? Okay. I make a motion to approve. Okay. So, I have a motion. I have a second. Discussion. Council on Breus. Yeah. We've changed to our limited uh time allocations already because we always got a minute before discussion, but I've always voted against the rules because we're talking about serious issues and to have a council member just be able to do six minutes when a public member can come up for three minutes. Oh boy. But you know, the volume issue is different than the elevation issue. And the elevation issue going back to 2019 and where we are here makes me not not comfortable. I've talked to Tomar partners. They say five years. So there's a lot of people coming in for five years. I mean, think who's coming in before. We need to get ahead of it. But the the other concern that I have is, you know, the pumping and the delaying the alphaalfpha. I I I appreciate that, but let's wait till April and see where we're at. Can they set the seed in April in a big snow year? We don't know because we haven't been farming since then. But on the on the um screen there, you showed I want to know who's in the door waiting on this decision today. And I want to know who who says 5 years is heck cuz they seem to have a lot of influence because they they're working in different segments here, you know, through building or planning. I want to know where they're at because I know a lot of the residents in North Valleys who are experiencing, you know, even wash outs during construction projects. They are the ones who are not here in your ear, I don't think, because they they're not going through the community development department. So, could you walk through who's in the door waiting for this decision today? Council on breakfast, you're over. Oh, we're going to cut it off. Okay. Thank you. All right. I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. I. All those opposed. I. Motion carries. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. Okay. Okay. We are moving on to item D4. All right. Mr. Clerk, do we have any public comment on this item? We do not. Hello, Emily. Nice to see you, Miss Kid. Okay. You are going to give us a staff report discussion and potential direction to staff regarding audit report 2301. Yes. Okay. Go ahead. Take it away. Good afternoon everyone. For the record, Emily Kidd, internal auditor, city of Reno. I'm here today to provide you with an overview of the 2301 code enforcement audit metrics and reporting. I'd like to start with a brief overview of the internal audit function here at the city. Our objective is to provide the city of Reno with an independent appraisal function designed to assist the Reno city council, constituents, and city management in establishing accountability, transparency, and a culture of continuous improvements in city operations. At its core, internal audit helps the organization achieve its objectives. We do that by conducting performance audits of city departments and programs. The city manager's office directed internal audit to conduct an audit of the metrics and reporting documentation provided by the code enforcement department. The audit was initiated to provide an independent objective analysis of the internal control environment for code enforcement reporting and to determine if departmental invoicing procedures are reasonable and in compliance with established policies and best practices. To achieve these objectives, audit interviewed applicable city employees, reviewed departmental policies and procedures, sample tested report metrics, and evaluated current procedures against best business practices. In summary, accurate, equitable invoicing and collection is compromised with the financial methodologies in place at the time of this audit. The case reporting documentation provided by code enforcement is unclear, includes inconsistent invoicing practices, does not undergo review, does not include adequate hard preventative system controls, and includes unapproved adjustments to fees and fines. This audit identified 14 exceptions. An exception is noted when audit identifies an area of non-compliance with documented policies or processes in place that are outside of best practices. Simply put, exceptions identify areas of risk. I wanted to take a moment here to discuss what an internal control is. An internal control is a process that helps an entity achieve its objectives. It is the first line of defense in safeguarding public resources. For example, one audit recommend recommendation is to disallow code officers to adjust fees and fines. That is the objective. Designing those preventative controls is the next step. Audit recommends a hard control here to change the system access in the software to disallow that action from code officers. At the end of the internal control implementation, our objective will have been achieved, resulting in a red a reduction of the city's residual risk. Internal controls help an entity run operations efficiently and effectively. This middle p piece here is applicable for this audit as we're working towards using standardized repeatable reports for operational oversight. Also, internal controls do help us with legal compliance. The 14 exceptions in this audit are categorized into five distinct sections. Equitable consistent procedures, lack of internal controls, process errors, transparency improvements, and best practices. Under the first category, we have three exceptions. There is a poor internal control environment that would benefit from some hard system application controls to address these findings here. Process errors and transparency improvement findings are noted here with the details of course in the full audit report included in your agenda packet. And finally, best practices are recommended for these four topics. The final finding requiring a decision from the city manager's office. The recommendations in this audit do vary based on the condition. It should be noted a coordinated effort to include several departments is needed to effectuate the full complement of recommendations. The management software in use is a Cella and the code enforcement module within that program is created by and managed by city staff. The management responses to the prompts there in blue are included as an appendix to the audit report and do include the corrective actions planned by departmental management including a time frame for implementation. In addition, the responsibility to implement corrective actions lies with code enforcement management. It should be noted the following were not tested during the audit. Timeliness of citations, system access parameters, the appeals process, invoice reconciliations and equity analysis, and specific requirements detailed in the Reno municipal code and its parody with applicable Nevada revised statutes. With that, I'm available for any questions related to the audit itself and departmental management is here as well. Okay. Thank you so much. Okay, I'm going to open it up for questions. Anyone have any questions? Council. Um, go ahead. Sorry, Counciloman Taylor, you go right ahead. Okay, you I should always let you go first. Sorry. Go ahead. Um, I just Emily, thank you very much for the report. Um, I had a question of the items not included. How will those be addressed moving forward? So I see those as um a separate performance audit. Um when you do an audit, you you you build your scope. Um for this particular audit, it was the metrics and reporting piece. So if we wanted to do a performance audit on one or any number of those um those pieces that you see there, that would be the scope of that performance audit. Okay. So it's still part of the overall program. Correct. Okay. And it could use improvement at some time possibly if it's looked at. Yes. And with the annual um audit planning process, that would be your opportunity to bring up um to the audit division which one of those um items you might want to put on the audit list as we're planning our resources for the next fiscal year. Okay. Thank you. That's all I have right now. All right. Any other questions from council members? No. Okay. Yeah. Council Dura, go ahead. I have some. I just want to make sure everyone gets a turn before I do. So, go ahead. Um, turn this on. Um, I read the report. Um, I thought it was good, but I also thought it was brief. Like, I didn't feel like I had enough meat to understand how you made your conclusion. Do you have a more detailed report somewhere? There's detailed work papers that do flesh out um the the middle piece of an audit. So, you start with planning, you you gather your data, your research, you develop your audit findings, and the report is the final product. Um there are other um you know pieces of data that were included during this audit review. Okay. Right. But I just wondered I really wanted to get a better understanding like you said here's a problem here's a solution but I didn't understand really how extensive the problem was like I didn't feel like I got a sense of how wide ranging your observations were. Is it is there anything you could add or do I need to look at these workpapers or so this was focused on uh the the reporting specifically so the data set that's um exported from the system asella and understanding that so I really did just look at that piece well here's what you said in there you said there is no set report to spit out statistics and it each one has to be a unique query and you found that frustrating it sound alike because you couldn't really do your audit because you had to know more about your subject matter, characterize a specific query and then ask for information. So, it wasn't very easy to do it sounds like. Is that true? Correct. So, um a standard baseline operating procedure from a department would include a standardized repeatable report that could provide us um insight over periods of time. Right? So for the equity audit or something like that, if we were to go through for a different performance audit, I would need the availability for those baseline reports. So this is a stepping point for that. So it also seemed like the answer to a lot of your queries towards the end of the report was well the Excel isn't programmed properly. Excella isn't program Excel needs more programming. Is that I do believe Excella needs more programming. Yes. Right. But I mean that seemed to be the answer. It struck me that even if you didn't do more code enforcement that if you're in a management or supervisory role in code enforcement that you would make the time to do some of the things that you recommended even if a sella isn't a perfect document that doesn't abregate the manager from doing management right so I mean how are we to understand this I mean in the world of audits that you do is this pretty par for the course did you find uh fewer problems here than maybe other areas or more is 14 a big number of findings what could you characterize it for us so in terms of the count it's difficult to ascertain that just depending on the the use that audit includes if had I audited the entire department processes one would expect a number higher than 15 or 14 just based on the uh review if you did the whole department right right that would that kind of hinders us in order for us to implement the recommendations now and move forward uh in a step-by-step basis rather than biting off more than one could chew for for myself. I hope that answers your question. I think kind of maybe what you're getting at is some of the same questions I'm kind of getting. You kind of lost me a little bit. I you're kind of speaking audit audites. Okay. Right. And so like I think you got to give us like examples. What does that mean? And then like can you go back to some of your slides it said like number 14 or something like what does that mean? Yeah. So code enforcement responses what do you mean like one and three? Yeah. So these are all numbered in your report. Um so we start here one through three is this group of audit findings. And so the numbers relate to these. So number 14 um would be the fines may not be commensurate with the economy. So that's over here when the city manager's office is the responder for that since it it lies outside of the scope of the department. So you'll see the last page it's responded from the city manager's office because it's a different area of responsibility. So this is under city manager's office response. Just the last one. What last one? Oh number 14. Okay. So what you're saying is the city manager responds to the findings. Just the last one. Okay. Okay. Um, so yeah, I just I kind of feel like we're I I'm feeling a little lost and I think even before we get to this point because I think we the city is growing like we're now a medium-sized city. We want every tool possible for code enforcement to be successful because I think it's such a critical piece of what we do and as you grow that can be very difficult and I and one of the things and I'm and maybe this is a question for Alex in the sense like what drives like code enforcement, right? Is it when you're driving around you're looking for it or is it based on when people call it in or you know some of those things? And also like how many people do you have on your team right now? And like just give us kind of a little overview like if you had to explain to um a community member that doesn't know anything about code enforcement, what would you explain your department is and your elevator pitch? Yes ma'am. Alex Woodley, director of code enforcement parking enforcement for the record. So overall um in code enforcement we have two approaches which can be proactive and reactive. Uh currently with the size of our city and the amount of uh complaints that we receive on a daily basis. Um as you know code enforcement or you may not know code enforcement is the second highest call for service in Reno direct. Parking enforcement is first code enforcement is second. So with the current um resources that we have and the amount of complaints that come in that we have to respond to um currently what we do is respond to complaints. Just this last year we've been um blessed to receive benefit of additional staffing in the last fiscal year. So that has helped. So we've implemented slowly um a proactive approach uh of 10% for the officers. So the officers have been required to identify a 10% of their overall cases. On average officers have anywhere between 80 to 100 open cases throughout the year. Each officer addresses about 500 to 600 cases per year. When you compare that for example with um the county, their officers do about a 100 cases per year to 150. I've made contact with them. And then Sparks is something similar to that. It's it's a lot smaller community. we have a bigger community. We have an educated community that knows our laws and our codes and they call in. They're not shy. They call it in and so we do respond to those. So that's what um that's typically how we go out and address the code violations. Um our code violations go from anywhere from weeds to illegal businesses to um um car repair um businesses in violations of their SUP. So it could be a distribution center, it could be a bar, it could be a a store, it could be a motel, so on and so forth. So we have a wide range of what we address. And then of course as a tenant uh because we do we are the only uh city in the region, Northern Nevada, that actually does um housing inspections. So if a tenant has an issue, has a concern, they can call into the city of Reno. And I'm glad you brought that up because I know that you have done a lot of work in that space, right? Yes, ma'am. But then I, you know, then then I I get these reports of, you know, still some of these motel. I got to tell you, like the other day I drove by um the one over here, uh the Wonder Lodge, the Wonder Lodge. And I see, you know, broken windows and think about those people that are having to live like that. And I wonder, you know, I keep seeing it over and over again. And so I guess you're you're saying that we basically it's it's complaint driven. So we are we are going after every complaint that comes in. Correct. Correct. Correct. And with the motel we do have the proactive uh motel inspection program. Okay. So then do those get addressed? Because that's the one thing like I see it over and over again and sometimes I'll drive by and I'll be like, "Wow, this is like a crazy, you know, fire hazard and then I like, you know, on a, you know, separate property I'm talking about." Um, and so I would love to see a proactive approach and how we can sort of address it on that level instead of because I think that's the part part of government. This is government on all levels just for me is that we're always reactive instead of proactive and like how do we get to be proactive first so that we don't have you know when those complaints don't have to come in basically right you know and sometimes we do we do address them proactive and unfortunately sometimes like just recently we'll go and address it and we'll see it get fixed and unfortunately the individuals that whether they reside there or they visit there unfortunately it can repeat again cuz we've had multiple situations where we require and mandate the repair of windows and then for whatever reason the individuals living there or visiting the location two weeks later we find out there's more busted windows again and that that's the unfortunate part of it. So we do find ourselves on a cycle going back and forth but we are trying it's it's it's a determination of we can continue to try to be more proactive while still trying to address the complaints that are coming in. Okay. So it's a balance. All right. Thank you. Um, go ahead, uh, Councilman, uh, Martinez, and then I and then I would just ask Emily, let's kind of break down what we where you think we need to go. Hey, go ahead, Council. Yeah, thank you so much. I appreciate it. Um, Director Willie, I appreciate you being here and providing some more um, input um, to this report. I did have some specific questions um about some of the recommendations. So, I don't know if you or Emily can address some of those, but I do just want to start off by saying that I appreciate the work you all did in Northeast at the Montello Street, some of those houses that were going over there. So, I'm having sort of a difficult time um balancing uh allowing the discretion for your code enforcement officers um to have that discretion to use while they're out in the field, but also being a pro being being able to provide equitable and consistent processes um for our residents. So, maybe I'll start off with like the fees and fines um section of your recommendations. Uh you in that section you talk a little bit about the date of compliance. So, I was just wondering why um in your report you were specifying that the date of compliance should be a key component of the invoicing process. The date of compliance. I'm sorry. The data from what? The date of compliance. Date of compliance. Yeah, that's what I saw in the report. By the way, I hate Asella. Can I just say I think that Yeah, that's the term that was in there. Asella has some challenges that our our code people can can certainly get into. What about our business people? Like that's what we need an audit on the Asella. Asella has shown up in quite a few of my reports. Oh, it's the worst. Um so I believe we're on number three. The fees and fines adjusted without approval. So my understanding is the fees um you'll see that in our annual budgeting process the fees are updated every year and approved by council and they're very clear um in that resolution where we adopt the um the fee that any service charges changes should be submitted in resolution form for consideration and with the volume of um you know code cases that doesn't seem like the right path. So in establishing a um a baseline business practice for the department as a whole uh rather than discretion from start to finish is is the goal in this space. So um possibly uh we talked about a a one-month window for compliance and that and that point that would trigger the invoicing process and the invoicing process on down the road is um a place where I feel like um we could um get our subject matter experts in there i.e. the finance department does track invoicing, um that would be a little bit more of a sea change for how we do business. Um but because those fees and citations are meant to compel compliance, we might get um a lot more compliance across the board and um a reduction in the time that it takes for a case to be open and closed. Talk about time. So I believe this was um part three as well. This was in included as a graphic. Clerk, can you pull this image up for me, please? So, this is looking at um a point in time, which all audits look at a point of time. This is not a forever statement, but this is um what the data set was looking like when I came in. Uh for this audit, it begins at the at January 1. It's on the overhead. Thank you. So, the data set began January 1 and ran through October of last year. And in, you know, massaging the data and sorting it, you'll see that we have cases with an outstanding balance, uh, which is more than half of what's on the books right now, and it's it could be quite old. Um, so January 1, 2021 is two years ago now. Um, granted, this report was pulled last year. Um, but for me, um, that's a little too long for me to pay my bill. So wondering what those cases are doing um out there is is also challenging to pull from Asella uh just based on the reporting. So um those are my concerns. Uh the outstanding balance and and implementing the processes that we could streamline the um start to finish from code enforcement will allow us to scale also as we're growing um to keep the code enforcement officers in the field doing their work and keeping the um the accountants collecting on our invoices. Go ahead. Yeah, I had another uh question. There was um a statement I think there as well in recommendation number three. So avoiding and reducing fees. Um you mentioned undercuts the time and effort spent on some of these cases. And I I guess I'm seeing it a little bit differently to where my understanding was that compli uh code enforcement uh officers and the department their role was to get people into compliance, businesses into compliance. And so I I guess I'm having difficulty understanding. Maybe you can provide your perspective on how those fees getting collected or reduced or voided under cuts when the goal is ultimately compliance and not necessarily collecting or revenue making for the city. Sure. And that was uh driven more from a a culture observation that I experienced out at the courtyard when these officers put a lot of time and effort into a case and keep going month after month after month and um perhaps that gets reduced without um I guess it gets reduced. Um then their work is is is felt less important and that was the tone that I got. I certainly accept that that could be viewed in a in a different light, but that was what my observations were. Any more I have? No, that's all I have for now. Yeah, I'll wait till the next round Taylor. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um Emily, I guess I have a a high level question or a global question and it comes from your presentation and it in your professional opinion and with all of your ad you said something about risk. Is the city at risk right now with the way this division is currently operating in their perspective? Yes. Okay. So what are we going to do to fix this? And that's why I would like to talk to um I believe Miss Miss Turney is going to be helping us with that and maybe that's after everybody else has gone through their questions. But I just want to again the way we're operating now is broken and the report says that very clearly to me and you put it in black and white and we're the city's at risk. So we need to fix that. I want to make sure that we have the tools to do that moving forward and I appreciate you putting that all in the report. Thank you. All right, go ahead, Councilman Breas. I know maybe this is the first audit report we've had since the new members have come on, but you know, when I came on in 2012, the auditor position had been abandoned and it was real problematic in my view. And I worked, you know, with other city managers to get the audit position on. She's been here the whole time. So, it's nice to have stability in the position, but these ones that kind of come out because management sees a a problem area. I appreciate them, but I also don't want to lose the concept of the routine departmental overall because it is hard and I think I'm hearing some of this today to see them in a vacuum. Um, particularly with a lot of new members if we haven't seen them all. that CPSM study that I referred to with fire today and 32 recommendations. Everyone should have read that, gotten it when you on boarded because it's one of the fairly newest ones and it's very comprehensive. We also have one for police. But I really do want to see when the other functions come forward. But I I also see management went in had an issue. my what I gleaned because I've read these a lot for years now is um that you know the ability of the kind of the the line worker to make these decisions that in in when you roll them up could have unequal treatment of our public you know and that's the concern the circumstance of you know Jill in one neighborhood with one set of circumstances getting a different outcome of fees or so on and someone over here, you know, Leo in another neighborhood with a different code officer who may not have the same, you know, uh there wasn't just control above to make sure those that the manager that the officers out there have the marching orders that were achieving and trying to get equitable outcomes in how we deal with folks in similar circumstances. Is that an accurate um like heart of the matter of this some of these findings? Yes. Without a a baseline standard operating procedure um a business opens themselves up to risk if some those kinds of claims were to come forward. Yeah. And we're at people's homes. Okay. The most valuable you know property right anyone has. So I thought it was on target um you know in that regard. So thank you. I have some questions. Is that you? Yeah. Council, you're so quiet. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I just want to make sure I'm understanding. This is just an outline of deficiencies, right? It's not necessarily These are specific issues we need to uh address right now. Right. These are specific issues we need to address. Okay. But it's just an outline of, hey, we have a deficiency here. We're not enforcing the code. It's not a specific like this particular citation needs to be addressed, right? This is just this is meant as an overall an overall process review of the metrics and reporting and how we can drill those down to better report the way that we need for oversight. Okay. So, um, my next question is, can we use this to come up with a uniform process? Like, can this kick off a way for us to create a roadmap to say, okay, this is going to be our standard metric going forward because Kathleen and and Jenny um I'm sorry, Councilwoman Taylor nailed it. that this is extremely um opens this up for liability because we're not enforcing things uniformly. Um so I'm very very concerned about that. When when did this audit start? I began this audit fieldwork in October of last year. October. Okay. Okay. So I'm pretty good. Um and I believe one of the specific recommendations is is speaking to what you're talking about is the policies and procedures a recommendation to have them. Yeah. Um it's it's you know common parliament for auditors to say if it's not written down it's not a policy it's a you know it's how you do your job. Um but in my world we we have layers of policies and procedures that help us um know how to behave at work. We have our citywide policies and procedures if we have questions about things. And then we have our departmental policies and procedures and it goes down to something as simple as a desk manual so I understand how to do my workflow during the day. and they all are are ranked in hierarchal fashion, at least in my in my brain. And then it goes on up to Nevada revised statutes and and the CRF. So, um so that's that's where this will help the department um not have questions of do I wave it today or do I not wave it today? There will be clear um structure and outline and I believe the department has already started working on uh drafting those policies. Yeah. Okay. This is probably a really big deal. So, can you explain to me like what it look does anyone else have any questions? I just wanted to ask what maybe this would help you guys too. Can you explain like what does it look like when someone makes a complaint? So maybe walk me through that process. How long does that take? Um and why would someone sort of get a break on that? Because I think it's a sort of a double-edged sword. I'm a big fan of code enforcement, especially you know downtown people don't like it, but it's got to it's got to happen. But also that could be viewed as you're showing favoritism to other businesses that are bad actors. Right. So yeah, I I can give you I can give give us an idea of what that looks like. I'll give you a description of exactly what problematic this is exactly what occurs. So first and foremost, I just want to clarify that we do have policies and procedures and code enforcement. This particular audit found some. So we're we're going to create three more that will address the specific issues in the audit. Um, but I just wanted to make sure we do have a code enforcement manual and they do have over 30 policies and procedures for the department. But I'll tell you exactly what occurs, ma'am. And it's this. There's a case. Every officer deals with a certain amount number of cases and they're dealing with their cases and they're dealing with human beings. Most of our cases are not the businesses downtown. Most of our cases is Mr. or Mrs. Smith that owns a home that has a code violation. And what typically happens is that you may have the same scenario, the same violation. One property owner calls you and says, "I don't care. You don't have any authority in my property. Send me whatever fines you want. I'm not complying." And we actually do get um responses like that. That individual gets the next fine. They get a 14-day and they get a fine on the 14th day. Now, other situations, and this is very common, we have individuals that call and say, "Hey, I didn't get the first notice or I didn't see it or I got the citation. I just buried my mother. I'm recovering from cancer. Um going through a divorce. U this is not my property. This is uh my former what have you." So, those situations happen all the time. And they ask the officer, "Hey, I can get this fixed. I can get this taken care of by the date that you gave me on the citation. Could you weigh the citation? I can't afford it right now. I'm going through hardship. And those are the situations where the officers are dealing with that human element. Now, with that being said, we have created an immediate directive telling the staff that they will no longer provide any waiverss um and if they have a situation that they need to go through management and we have that in place now based on the audit as a result of the audit. So, we're doing that. We're also creating a process that will allow people the ability to apply for a waiver of their fines. So, we won't have the officers. That's very important to us that if we do take the officers out of it that we take them out completely to include the invoicing because we don't want the code officers chasing after invoices. We want them to chase after code violations. So, if if we can get that implemented, I think that's going to help us significantly. It's going to make a significant change. Yeah, definitely those waiverss because you never know what hardships people sort of endure endure and maybe maybe you know they pay the fine and then it gets reduced. You know what I mean? Like Yes, ma'am. But yeah, so anyway, um okay, go ahead, council. Madam Mayor, oh yes, sorry. And then I'll come to you um vice mayor in a minute. Okay. Um couple things. Um wow, I have like six things, so I'll try to make them as quick as possible. One, you just talked about the authority to wave. Our police officers have the authority to wave in the field rather than give a ticket to give a warning. I I do think that should be in the purview of code enforcement that they are able to give a warning versus a citation. That's just my feeling, but I don't think they should be able to wave fines. I think that should go to a higher level of management. So, I'm glad you're implementing that. Um, I want to talk about equity for a minute. I have an example, real life example where one person um puts a mulch on their rightway and um within one day of putting the mulch on their rightway, a city code enforcement officer came out and said, "This is illegal. You need to get this done and um the person did comply within two days." At the same time, two doors down from this same person. Um people have had mulch in there right away for three years, but no complaint has been issued. It's complaint driven. So what person A got a complaint, they had to rush around and deal with it. Person B hasn't received no complaint. Same exact issue. Mulch in the rightway. Sat there three, four years. So when we have it complaint driven, I think that creates this sense of inequity that why am I being singled out person A uh but person B is allowed to slide, you know, and have mulch in the right way. As the simplest example, it's not as bad as erecting a fence without a permit or something like that. Uh, next issue is that the size of the fines. We haven't increased our fine since 2006. This is over 17 years. I mean, to to our auditor's perspective, I mean, this is nothing to anyone. $500 fine. I think I brought it up eight years ago that our fines were too low. Uh, when you cut down a bunch of trees, you had a $100 fine. The value of the tree could have been $10,000. It was gone forever. The person got basically slap on the wrist, hundred bucks. It was not a deterrent. I think this has to be addressed right away by the manager to bring these fines commeasure with the economy is how you phrased it very delicately but it needs to be higher so it's meaningful but I do believe in warnings right before we get into fines um I'm very concerned if we go to a more automatic system we have complicated engineering violations storm water I'll just use that one in particular since on everybody's mind we cannot have in my opinion a code enforcement officer who cannot resolve a complex storm water situation that has four and five property owners involved and go and issue one person a fine and this has happened okay out in Double Diamond they've been issued a fine but the people upstream of them have not the people downstream of them have not um the school board in that case and the people downstream of them which is the um business management association they cannot fix the problem until everyone is part of a team to fix the problem so just going to a simple like they're out of compliance, we should find them is not going to get resolution. And so I want to make sure that we don't just go to this automatic situation, especially in these more complicated cases. I just don't know that even code enforcement should be the ones. I think it should be in our engineering department, our water quality department. Every place I've worked that have people like that, they have their own uh compliance efforts, their own enforcement uh for the engineering. I have a few more examples. I I'm going to give one more unless they shut me down. When I got here eight years ago, I used to manage an enforcement agency twice. And what we had was a consent order process to achieve your goal, which is getting the thing fixed. And we would negotiate a penalty as part of that. I've recommended to our attorneys for eight years. I stopped talking about a few years ago because it didn't seem but you seem very interested in it when I proposed it to you. So I would love to see that be as part of this overall review to look at do we have other procedures for getting compliance and working with very egregious problems bigger problems not mulch or a fence or whatever but bigger problems getting them resolved I think you have a readymade process has been used by many agencies a consent order so I'll leave it there I could probably write about four more things or five more things but there's a lot of work to do and I don't think I don't want to you're well the computer system's broken so we can't do these things. You know what I mean? Like we should be doing as much of this equity process improvements without the computer system until it gets fixed in my opinion and increasing the fines. You should include that in our budget. Okay. Vice Vice Mayor Ree. Thank you, Madame Mayor. I'll try to be succinct, but I have a lot of thoughts. First, I want to thank Miss Kidd uh for the work that went into the audit. um we have at times tasked her with the herculean uh work of an entire function with one person and so uh I thought the report itself was incredibly well done uh the depth of it was uh pretty apparent and it's really the first time when our audit has come back and I think we're being faced with a problem right we've had some other audits generally they've come back as saying, "Hey, we're we're doing good. Maybe here are one or two things that need to be um made to happen and could be improved." And so, kudos to Miss Kid. I appreciate you. This is not easy work. It's also perhaps not popular work, right? I mean, you're you're basically shining a light on a thing that has to be fixed because it has some parts of it are broken. Uh the second thing I want to talk about really is why we have chosen to uh you know uh undertake the process of doing audits and I think ultimately it's because we want to make sure the public is well served. We want to make sure that there are controls in place to ensure things like transparent uh equity and and in in particular in a function like this we're also trying to make sure that there's no graft going on right I mean we are looking for security in knowing that there are departments of our city which we don't manage right and so the audit helps us to understand that what we're doing is consistent with the things that we expect our various departments to do. And so, um, at at the end of the day, I am concerned. The audit is a big red flag for me. And I'll I'll sort of turn my attention to you, Mr. Manager, and say to you, this has to be fixed. Whatever is going on in this department cannot be allowed to continue. And without the audit to shine the light on it, we don't have the ability or the tools to know how to make that choice. Uh I um I think that there are are ways to improve. There's always ways to have process. I'm not um pointing specifically at any one person or anyone in code enforcement, but I'm saying something here is materially broken and now I want to see the fix. So during my briefing, I spoke a lot with uh the auditor about the recommendations that are attached because each thing that says there's something broken then has an element of it that could be fixed. And for my part, I want to make sure that we're talking about, you know, perhaps it's a threemonth timeline where we're going to be back in front of this council with the next steps about how are we taking this enforcement uh or this this audit seriously? What steps are in place? It sounds like some things are already being worked on, but like council member Derer said, I don't want to hear that it's a software problem, right? I also think that we can have accountability. Uh, but there's obviously going to have to be some oversight on it. And so I I I did say I would turn my attention to you, Mr. Manager, because, you know, this is uh, you know, they report to you, not to me. And I want to know what you were going to do to make sure that this audit and its findings are fixed. I understand. And as we as we build out a more robust plan to move the department forward, uh we'll make certain that we share that clearly with the council and with the organization as a whole. Can can we get like updates like set updates on this because this is a big concern. Can we do like an agenda item maybe monthly and just get status updates on this? Like maybe just, you know, take on one piece at a time, but just get status updates so this doesn't fall off. This is huge. I certainly think that we can build out a system of status updates. I am a little hesitant to commit in this moment to putting them on an agenda because of some of the things that those uh updates might need to entail. Um, but certainly we will keep the elected body in the loop as we move forward here. And has there been any talk about like and and I don't know what this looks like because I don't know how you structure it, but just specific for downtown like okay, you three are like the downtown team and you know or is it just sort of all over the place? because that's one of the things I really want to hone in on because you know obviously with um the things that we have seen you know with the market uh the rightway market and those kinds of things and Alex I thought you did a good good job there um but just you know knowing those intimately because again like I'm going to be relentless on downtown and how we revitalize it and make it safe and you know we're heading in that direction and we're going to probably do some pretty, you know, strict guidelines on what that looks like moving forward downtown. So, do do you kind of talk? So, right now we have the officers are assigned geographically. Um, we do have we've been taking advantage of the downtown daily walks. So, as we attend those walks, we are addressing proactive Okay. Uh, cases that we come across. So, that's something that's an approach that we've been using for the last couple months that's been very effective. Perfect. Awesome. Thanks. Okay. Uh, any further questions? One final thing. Yes. Go ahead, Councilwoman Dur. You know, I was told that um the only people that could do code enforcement is you, that you're the only person that has the authority. And I I had to question that a little bit. This is relating to my question about engineering. I mean, can they There's been permits issued. There's been storm water ponds to be built. they're better to inspect those ponds than one of your inspectors. They they designed them, they know them, they should be out there. Do they not have the ability or do they have to bring that back to you and you have to send the letter? How does that work? So, what we do is that's a great question, um, Council Member Der, because we have multiple departments that don't have an enforcement arm. So, what we have in place is a requirement for these departments to send out the initial notice, the initial courtesy letter, for lack of a better term. And in that courtesy letter, we require that they pro pro offer that they provide the information what the violation is, what code section is being violated, and then a a blurb at the bottom letting the individual know that it will be referred to code enforcement if they don't comply within the time frame. So we do that with parks, public works, engineering, traffic engineering. So and it's been effective and the urban forester as well. Okay. But again, are is that by or is that by statute or by ordinance that the letter can only come from you or Well, they they send the initial letter, but the actual enforcement the code does have enforcement officials identified and it includes business license. Just something too while you're looking at this big picture to just see if we can affectuate enforcement more quickly by having some of those three departments you mentioned parks, engineering, public works to to follow through and get the uh achieve the goal that you want, which is to get it fixed. I just wonder if we could incorporate them more instead of just loading it. Yeah. Okay. is um Ashley, what what role are you going to play and how I mean are you are you helping sort of address some of these things? What what does that look like? Thank you. Good afternoon, Madame Mayor and members of the council. Ashley Attorney, chief innovation experience officer. Uh part of my role as chief innovation experience officer is leveraging technology and human capital in order to provide better service to our residents across the entire region. Uh so part of my role as being brought in is to help with some more of that oversight as well as process improvement, taking a deep dive into their existing procedures and policies to identify ways that they can be more effective, more efficient, and create a more equitable system. as this council has noted that consistency is really really crucial in providing equity to all of our residents. So that's something that we'll be spending a lot more time on. Okay. All right. Thank you so much. Can what about Asella like sitting with them? So Alex will be remaining as the director of code and parking. So my role is to help him to be able to facilitate some of these changes through his team. That's one way to look at it is like an internal consultant of sorts. we've thrown that away at times. Um, it's really taking a lot of what I've done with the other departments that I've taken over in my role and looking at process improvement, figuring out where we have those deficiencies. Emily has helped us to identify where this risk is currently existing. And so, my job is to come in and help identify that stop gap to figure out how to make it better, faster. So, I will be helping him and dedicating a fair amount of my time to that. Okay. All right. Go ahead, counciloman. So, um I think it was Alex, you said that you guys handle 500 to 600 cases per year. Yes, ma'am. And that's each officer. How many officers do we have? Uh we currently have seven and we have one currently going through training. Okay. So, is it fair to say maybe you guys need a little more support, too? I mean, it sounds like that's an awful lot of cases. I mean, would that maybe help with some of the um follow through on enforcement and things like that? Um, in in consultation with the city manager's office and with Ashley, what we want to do first and foremost is take advantage of technology and process improvements first before we look at more resources, okay? See what we can do better. Um, and one thing that Ashley does bring is a different perspective because there's been things that we look at normal in in one way and she asks the questions and looks at it from a different perspective. So, it's resulted in some productive uh uh conversations and some changes. Okay. And I'm sorry I stepped away for a second. It do you get most of your um do people reach out mostly through Reno Direct or do they call the city or is it kind of like a combination of things? the the majority is through Reno Direct, but we do get requests from other departments as as council member Der mentioned. Okay. We do get those as well. Okay. Right. Thank you. All right. Anyone else? See that there are none. And I don't know, do we need to um accept the report? Okay. So, can I get a motion? All right. I have a motion from Councilwoman George to accept the report. I have a second uh from Councilwoman Councilman Martinez. All those in favor say I. I I All those opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Okay. Thanks so much. Next, Mr. Clerk. That closes item uh D4 out. And if you'd like, we can open the redevelopment agency board at this time. Let's do that. So, um at this time, I'm going to send it back to you to do um roll call. Okay. This is roll call for the redevelopment agency board. Wednesday, February 22nd. Council member Breis here. Derer here. Martinez here. Eert here. Taylor here. Reese here. And Madame Mayor here. You have a quorum of the Reno City Council. Okay. Any public comment? We have no public comment at this time. Okay. Thank you so much. Um, can I get a motion to approve the agenda? I have a sec or I have a first from Councilwoman Breis, second from Councilman Martinez. All those in favor say I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. All right. May I get a motion to approve the minutes? I have a motion from Councilwoman Eert. Yeah. A second from Councilwoman Taylor. All those in favor say I. All those opposed. Motion carries unanimously. L5 department items redevelopment agency board comments and announcements. Any We have We have nothing there. Okay. Thank you. What was it? Which one? Any comments? Oh, no. Sorry. From the body. No. Okay. Seeing that there is none, we're going to head into item L7, public comment. Is there any public comment, Mr. Clerk? There is none. All right. Thank you so much. At this time, I'm going to ask for item L8, a motion to adjurnn. Some moved. I have a motion from Councilwoman Der. A second by Councilwoman Taylor. All those in favor say I. I. All those opposed. Motion carries. Back to you, Mr. Clerk. Thank you. And with that, we'll open item H1, city council comments. All right. Any comments from city council? Any updates on your boards? Anything the body should know about? Councilwoman Breus, anything? Counciloman Martinez, Councilwoman Taylor, Councilwoman Der, I'll just say we had um about 80 participants in our NAB meeting yesterday. Wow. Congrats uh change to the Ranchera project. So that was a lot and it wasn't even on the agenda. This was all in public comment at the NAB. So just a sign of coming in Rancho will be on the agenda expected next month and it'll be going through planning commission and ultimately here two items they have to change. So just stay alert, be aware. Oh, madame mayor so much. Yes. Actually, um since Mr. manager said that March 8th the Stonegate agreement is coming back on. Could we also look at the guidelines because the guidelines that were passed out of the table seem to apply to um SADs within PUDS and as Mr. Hicks said the SAD is in a tenative map. So right there out the shoot uh the guidelines which we didn't have the chance to review uh you know until they were passed out aren't being applied and that's not great particularly since defaults don't look good on our balance sheet and if they want to get into a default situation you know if we got into a default situation they said well you're not even you know deploying your guidelines properly. Um that's that's kind of not good management. So, if the council is of a wish to, you know, uh, do an SAD for something that's not consistent with your guidelines, you might want to also change your guidelines. Thank you. I'd like to see that on the agenda. All right. Anything from you, Councilwoman Eert? Nothing. Uh, Vice Mayor Ree, thank you so much for attending today virtually. Do you have anything you want to add to the board? No. Thank you, though. Okay. Thank you so much. All right. Are we ready for um public comment? We sure are. Okay. Go ahead. Okay. For the record, we received one comment which was general in nature or not directly associated with an agenda item after 4 p.m. yesterday, the 21st. Uh these comments were distributed to council and represented one in opposition. And in addition, we have one voicemail which we'll play now. Hi, my name is Randy Mendes and I am the owner of 1250 Wedax Road in Reno, Nevada. I'm calling in reference to the 1045 Hogue Road master plan and zoning map amendments. I wanted to speak in opposition of any zoning change and or annexation specifically due to property values. Um, these homes, there's an a blended average value of about $680,000 on the few parcels that belong in this area. And one of the unique value propositions of each of these homes are that they have the acreage and the rural living within such close proximity to the city. Furthermore, it is the lifestyle that um these homes offer and allow. These are spec these are horse properties. These these homes have the ability to have the country living and changing the zoning and um and bringing in annexation would change the ability for horses, for livestock um not to mention heavily impact our natural wildlife that we have here and we definitely do not want to see that happen. For the most part, that is the gist of what I want to share. But again, I do want to go on record that we are opposed to any of these changes and do not want to see this happen in our area. Um there's already plenty of growth happening around us and we do have many concerns. One of my concerns that still hasn't been addressed is um you know just safety around the future development that is happening as far as um our air quality being impacted with some high levels of I I apologize. I have uh I was making this call and I have a lot going on today and I'm I've lost my train of thought on the item that I was looking for. Um, gosh, I have it right on the tip of my tongue and I'm thinking my neighbors know exactly what I'm I'm trying to reference here. Um, it was the air quality test we had. And when you when you start digging up the dirt, the radon, there we go. I apologize. I apologize for totally losing that there. But I also have concerns around the radon and different things. And so, if we started making those those changes and allowing more builds, um, that just kind of unlocks more questions there. So again, just want to preserve our quality, want to preserve our wildlife, and keep this little patch um you know, the rule living that it is. Thank you so much. With no further commenters in the room, no hands raised in Zoom, I'm looking for a motion to adjurnn. Okay. May I get a motion from council members? Councilman Martinez. I have a motion. I have a second from Councilwoman Taylor. All those in favor say I. I. All those opposed. Motion carries unanimously. All right. Thanks everyone. Appreciate your participation.