. >>OOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THIS APRIL 16TH MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADVISES THE CITY COUNCIL ON DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, LONG RANGE PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES ON SOME ITEMS BEFORE THE PLANNING COCOMMISSION THEY ARE STUDY ITEMS WHERE WE WILL NOT TAKE FORMAL ACTION WELL OTHER ITEMS BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS WHERE WE ENCOURAGE PUBLIC TESTIMONY. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TESTIFY ON AN ITEM YOU CAN DO SO BY JOINING US HERE AT CITY HALL IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS. YOU CAN ALSO DO SO ONLINE BY FOLLOWING THE INSTRUCTIONS ON YOUR SCREEN. WE HAVE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS EVENING. SOME IDEAS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ARE FINAL DECISIONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHERE WE HAVE FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY. OTHER ITEMS BEFORE US WE ACT IN AN ADVISORY CAPACITY AND THE CITY COUNCIL WILL MAKE THE FINAL DECISION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MADE UP OF SEVEN VOLUNTEER RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. EACH PLANNING COMMISSIONER HAS BEEN APPOINTED TO SERVE A THREE YEAR TERM WITH A TWO TERM LIMIT. WE HAVE SEVEN COMMISSIONERS PRESENT HERE AT CITY HALL THIS EVENING SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM . OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS THIS EVENING IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. ALL RISE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ITEM NUMBER ONE THIS EVENING IS A UNIQUE ONE. WE ARE PLEASED TO BE JOINED BY OUR NEW CITY MANAGER MR. ZACK WALKER AND HE'S GOING TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE HIMSELF TO US . GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND FELLOW CITY STAFF MEMBERS. MY NAME IS ZACK WALKER. I'M THIS NEW CITY MANAGER. ACTUALLY THIS COMING MONDAY WILL BE MY SIX MONTH ANNIVERSARY WITH THE CITY SO GETTING GOOD AND SETTLED IN WITH THE ORGANIZATION. AND TONIGHT I REALLY JUST WANTED TO COME AND MAKE SURE I'D INTRODUCED MYSELF. I HAD SAID AS A GOAL WHEN I STARTED TO GET AROUND TO EACH OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND INTRODUCE MYSELF SO THAT YOU WERE FAMILIAR WITH ME BUT ALSO SO THAT I COULD MAKE SURE I APPROPRIATELY THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO AS COMMISSION MEMBERS FOR THE GUIDANCE AND HELP AND SUPPORT THAT YOU PLAY AND PARTICULARLY THIS COMMISSION AS THE CHAIRMAN JUST SAID WITH SOME OF YOUR STATUTORY AUTHORITIES THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE ACTIVE ROLE YOU PLAY IN ADVANCING ISSUES AND POLICY IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO FIRST AND FOREMOST THANK YOU FOR THE TIME THAT YOU GIVE IN SERVICE TO THIS COMMUNITY. JUST BRIEFLY ABOUT MYSELF, I CAME TO BLOOMINGTON HAVING SERVED IN TWO PREVIOUS COMMUNITIES MOST RECENTLY AS THE CITY MANAGER FOR INDEPENDENCE MISSOURI WHICH IS A SUBURB OF THE KANSAS CITY METROPOLITAN AND AREA. AND I'VE BEEN IN THAT COMMUNITY FOR THE LAST 13 YEARS. AND WHILE I WAS ENJOYING IT VERY MUCH I HAD KIND OF REACHED THAT PLACE WHERE I WANTED TO TRY MY HAND AT A NEW CHALLENGE IN A NEW ENVIRONMENT WITH UNIQUE ISSUES THAT I HADN'T FACED IN MY CAREER YET . AND I FOUND A COMMUNITY AND A HOME IN BLOOMINGTON THAT NOT ONLY ALLOWS ME TO DO THAT BUT ALLOWS ME TO DO IT IN A PLACE WITH REALLY A GREAT HISTORY OF STRONG PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT HIGHLY QUALIFIED, COMPETENT, TALENTED CITY STAFF AND A BUSINESS CIVIC AND A POLITICAL COMMUNITY. OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO REALLY SET THE BAR HIGH AND HAVE EXPECTATIONS FOR THIS COMMUNITY THAT I WANTED TO BE A PART OF SO I'M EXCITED TO BE HERE. I'M EXCITED TO WORK ALONGSIDE OF YOU IN SERVICE TO BLOOMINGTON. IF THERE'S EVER ANYTHING MY OFFICE CAN DO TO SUPPORT YOU, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. BUT I KNOW YOU'RE IN VERY GOOD HANDS WITH THE STAFF THAT YOU HAVE HERE SUPPORTING YOU WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT SO PLEASURE TO MEET ALL OF YOU. AND MR. CHAIR, IF THERE'S TIME FOR A FEW QUESTIONS I'M HAPPY TO FIELD ANY OF THOSE IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE. I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. MR. WALKER, YOU SAID YOU VISITED ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. I'VE BEEN MAKING MY WAY THROUGH THOSE. YUP. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN TO ALL OF THEM YET BUT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING MY WAY THROUGH THAT ROSTER AND I TRUST WHERE THE BEST DRESSED COMMISSION. ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. EXCELLENT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WALKER? SEEING NONE. THANKS FOR VISITING US. WE APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. WE WILL MOVE THEN TO ITEM NUMBER TWO. THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON IS THE APPLICANT REGARDING A PARKING STUDY IN THE CITY, MISSOULA'S O'DAY IS HERE WITH THE STAFF REPORT. THANK YOU, CHAIR AND COMMISSION. YES. ITEM TWO ON THE AGENDA IS FOR US TO DISCUSS THE OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS. EVERYONE'S FAVORITE TOPIC IS PARKING. SO WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS BOTH ON STREET AND OFF STREET PARKING TODAY. SO YEAH, LET'S DIVE RIGHT IN. SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT THIS PROJECT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION 26 WORK PLAN. OUR STANDARDS HAVE WERE CREATED DECADES AGO AND CONDITIONS HAVE CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE THAT TIME. WE'RE ALSO SEEING CONSISTENT USE OF OUR REDUCTIONS AND FLEXIBILITY TOOLS WHICH SUGGEST THAT OUR BASE REQUIREMENTS MAY NOT ALWAYS MEET THE ACTUAL DEMAND THAT WE SEE OUT THERE IN THE FIELD AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME PARKING HAS REAL COSTS BOTH FINANCIALLY AND ENVIRONMENTALLY. SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MODERNIZE OUR TOOLS AND BETTER MATCH TODAY'S CONDITIONS. SO THE OVERALL GOALS OF THIS PROJECT IS TO EVALUATE OUR CURRENT OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS ACROSS THE BOARD AND ALSO A CHANCE TO SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IN THIS REGARD AND THEN ALSO IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES IS FOR ANY UPDATES. SO A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. AND GENERAL PARKING MINIMUMS WERE ADOPTED ACROSS THE COUNTRY ABOUT MID 20TH CENTURY AND THEN BASED ON THESE MINIMUMS WERE OFTEN BASED ON LIMITED OR PEAK DEMAND DATA MEANING THAT THEY WERE TAKEN FROM SCENARIOS WITH LITTLE TRANSIT NEARBY SOMETIMES BASED ON OTHER CITIES CODES. SO THERE'S NOT REALLY A TON OF SCIENTIFIC DATA TO BACK SOME OF THESE REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN I FOUND UPON RESEARCH THAT BLOOMINGTON ADOPTED ITS FIRST PARKING STANDARDS IN 1958 AND IT ONLY COVERED SIX USE TYPES WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN JUST COPIED FROM THAT CITY CODE WHICH I FOUND KIND OF INTERESTING. AND THEN OVER TIME WE'VE OBVIOUSLY ADDED SEVERAL DIFFERENT USE CATEGORIES OR PARKING CALCULATIONS OVER TIME AND THEY'VE GOTTEN VERY SPECIFIC LIKE HEALTH CLUBS, OUR GROCERY STORES ETC.. SO THERE ARE IMPACTS TO OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, CONSTRUCTING PARKING IS VERY EXPENSIVE BASED ON RESEARCH A SURFACE STALL CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM 5000 TO $10,000 AND THEN STRUCTURED PARKING IS ANYWHERE FROM 25 TO $50,000 AND THAT INCLUDES LIKE EXCAVATION AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT MATERIALS SNOW REMOVAL AND THEN STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A STRUCTURED PARKING AND THEN THIS COSTS GETS PASSED DOWN TO RESIDENTS IN THEIR HIGH RENT OR AND JUST LIKE THE GOODS AND SERVICES THAT WE ALL CONSUME WHETHER WE USE THE PARKING OR NOT. AND THEN THE NEXT POINT IS ABOUT OPPORTUNITY COST WHICH IS BASICALLY THE LAND OR THE VALUE OF THE LAND OF WHAT COULD EXIST IF IT WEREN'T USED FOR PARKING. SO BLOOMINGTON HAS FULLY BUILT OUT WITH VERY LIMITED VACANT LAND AND A PORTION OF A SURFACE PARKING LOT COULD BE USED TO CONSTRUCT HOUSING, RETAIL, PUBLIC AMENITY SPACE ETC. AND THEN BUILDING VERTICAL PARKING OR STRUCTURED PARKING IS SOMETIMES JUST INFEASIBLE FOR MANY PROJECTS AND HIGHLY EXPENSIVE. AND THEN THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT BASICALLY THE ASPHALT ABSORBS THE HEAT WHICH MEANS THAT AREAS WITH EXTENSIVE HEAT OR PARKING COVERAGE STAYS WARMER WHICH THUS RESULTS IN HOUSEHOLDS USING MORE ENERGY TO COOL THEIR HOMES AND THEN ALSO HE CAN HAVE IMPACTS ON YOUR PERSONAL HEALTH AS WELL. AND THEN MOST NOTABLY PROBABLY THE STORMWATER IMPACTS EXCESSIVE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA GENERATES HIGH VOLUMES OF RUNOFF. SOMETIMES THIS RUNOFF CARRIES POLLUTANTS AND THEN ALSO CAUSES SOME LOCALIZED FLOODING DURING AN INTENSE RAINFALL. AND THEN LASTLY EXCESS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE MEANS THERE'S MORE SALT THAT'S NEEDED TO TREAT ICE AND THEN AS WE KNOW USING SALT CAN HAVE VERY DETRIMENTAL IMPACTS TO OUR AQUATIC LIFE. SO BLOOMINGTON TODAY OUR STANDARDS LIKE I SAID BEFORE HAVEN'T BEEN LARGELY UNCHANGED FOR DECADES. I THINK I SAW THE LAST EVALUATION DONE IN LIKE 2006 2007 BUT A LOT HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE MORE TELEWORK SINCE THE PANDEMIC GROWTH IN E-COMMERCE OR ONLINE SHOPPING IS DRASTICALLY INCREASED. SMALLER HOUSEHOLDS NOT AS MANY PEOPLE HAVING CHILDREN SMALLER HOUSEHOLD SIZES. AND THEN BLOOMINGTON SINCE THEN HAS BEEN FULLY BUILT OUT AND NOW A LOT OF VACANT LAND. AND THEN A JUST A COUPLE POINTS ABOUT AS YOU ALL KNOW USUALLY REVEAL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. SOME LARGER DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS RECEIVE PARKING DEVIATIONS THAT HAVE TO GO THROUGH YOUR ALL REVIEW. AND THEN ALSO IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT 100% OF THE OFFICIAL MULTIFAMILY PROJECTS HAVE RECEIVED PARKING INCENTIVE. SO THAT BEGS THE QUESTION IF IT'S REALLY INCENTIVE OR IF OUR BASELINE STANDARDS ARE JUST TOO HIGH IF EVERYONE'S UTILIZING THIS INCENTIVE AND THEN OUR PARKING EXISTING PARKING FLEXIBILITY MEASURES WE ALREADY HAVE A WIDE RANGE OF TOOLS IN OUR POCKET TO REDUCE PARKING AND APPLICANTS ARE USING SOME OF THEM I HIGHLIGHTED THE ONES THAT ARE USED MOST OFTEN SO PROOF OF PARKING PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THE PARKING REDUCTION THROUGH THE OHV INCENTIVE AND SO THESE ARE EVALUATED OBVIOUSLY ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND CAN SOMETIMES BE COMPLEX FOR APPLICANTS TO NAVIGATE. BUT AS I INDICATED EARLIER, THE QUESTION IS ARE THEY WORKING KIND OF AS INTENDED OR DO WE NEED TO KIND OF REEVALUATE THAT OUR STANDARDS MIGHT BE TOO HIGH AND THEN WITH KIND OF EVERY LONG RANGE PROJECT WE SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. SO ACROSS THE TOP OF THE SCREEN ARE KIND OF A COMPARISON WITH OTHER CITIES RETAIL HOTEL AND WAREHOUSE USES AND BLOOMINGTON ARE PRETTY HIGH ACROSS OTHER TWIN CITIES MUNICIPALITIES AND THEN OFFICE IS KIND OF ON THE LOWER END. BUT IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT MANY OTHER CITIES HAVEN'T EVALUATED THEIR OFFICE REQUIREMENTS SINCE THE PANDEMIC WHICH YOU KNOW, IF YOU EVALUATED IT NOW WOULD PROBABLY BE, YOU KNOW, ENTIRELY DIFFERENT AND THEN ALSO I THINK ARE ALSO PRETTY HIGH AND LIKE SENIOR HOUSING AND ASSEMBLY AS WELL SORT OF INCLUDE LIKE ALL OF THESE LAND USE TYPES. BUT THESE WERE KIND OF THE MOST NOTABLE AND MOST INTERESTING IN MY OPINION. AND THEN OTHER CITIES LIKE SAINT PAUL AND MINNEAPOLIS, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW AND DULUTH HAVE REMOVED THEIR PARKING MINIMUMS AND OTHER CITIES LIKE RICHFIELD, EDINA, SAINT LOUIS PARK ARE KIND OF MAKING LARGE STRIDES IN THEIR MIXED USE DISTRICTS AND ALSO THEIR MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS. AND THEN YEAH, SO SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR REDUCING OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS IT SUPPORTS REDEVELOPMENT UNDERUTILIZED PARKING LOTS CAN BE USED FOR A NUMBER OF VIBRANT THINGS LIKE GATHERING SPACE RETAIL SHOPS OR CAFES AND THESE CAN ENHANCE WALKABILITY AND VIBRANT AND ADD VIBRANCY TO AN AREA AND ALSO SPONSOR GROWTH AND USUALLY PARKING LOTS DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF ECONOMIC RETURN AND THEN THIS ALSO LOWERS THE COST BURDEN ON DEVELOPERS TO NOT CONSTRUCT AN OVERSUPPLY OF PARKING DEVELOPERS COULD OFFSET THIS COST AND USE IT FOR AMENITIES OR MORE AFFORDABLE UNITS OR OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THEN THIS ALSO ALLOWS FOR AN ENHANCED SITE DESIGN LIKE LANDSCAPING AND GATHERING SPACES, PUBLIC ART, OUTDOOR DINING THAT CAN IMPROVE AND ATTRACT CUSTOMERS VISITORS, RESIDENTS AND THEN LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS ARE HIGH INCLUDING REDUCING EXCESS HARD SURFACE AND IMPROVING THE STORMWATER INFILTRATION AND OVERALL HEALTH. SO WITH EVERY OPPORTUNITY OBVIOUSLY COMES SOME RISKS AND CHALLENGES. SO THIS COULD CREATE AT PEAK PERIOD SHORTAGES. SO PARKING DEMAND IS NOT ALWAYS EVENLY DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE CITY WHICH MEANS THAT CERTAIN TIME IS EARNED IN CERTAIN AREAS DEMAND COULD EXCEED A SUPPLY. SO IF PARKING ISN'T AVAILABLE OR IF PARKING IS INCONVENIENT AND CUSTOMERS COULD TURN AWAY AND THEN ALSO DRIVERS MAY SEEK OUT AVAILABLE SPACE ON PUBLIC STREETS OR ADJACENT PROPERTIES AS WELL. AND THEN KIRK IS HERE AND THE PUBLIC WORKS TEAM IS HERE TO KIND OF DISCUSS THE ON STREET PARKING WHICH IS RELATED TO THIS PROJECT AS WELL. AND THEN EXCUSE ME THERE'S THE MARKET UNCERTAINTY WITH THE RISE OF YOU KNOW, AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES AND ELECTRIC VEHICLE ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND CHANGING WORK PATTERNS AND THE WORLD IS JUST CONSTANTLY CHANGING AND SO IT'S HARD TO PREDICT KIND OF WHAT THE FUTURE MIGHT HOLD . SO THAT'S ALWAYS KIND OF LIKE A POTENTIAL RISK OR A CHALLENGE TO KEEP IN MIND AND MAINTAIN FLEXIBILITY AND MONITOR KIND OF THE OUTCOMES. AND THEN LASTLY THE NEED TO IMPROVE ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION. SO THAT'S JUST MEANS THAT REDUCING PARKING MIGHT NOT BE LIKE A ONE SIZE FITS ALL APPROACH THAT IT REQUIRES MAYBE SOME LIKE BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE OR TRANSIT ACCESS IF WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE PARKING IT MEANS IMPROVING KIND OF THE ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AS WELL. SO WITH THAT I'VE KIND OF COME UP WITH FIVE DIFFERENT APPROACHES OR OPTIONS AND THEY KIND OF RANGE ON A SPECTRUM OF LOW INTERVENTION ON THE LEFT SIDE ALL THE WAY UP TO HIGHER INTERVENTION ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND I'LL GO THROUGH THESE KIND OF ONE BY ONE. SO THE FIRST POLICY OPTION IS NO CHANGE PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY BUT PROS OF THAT IS IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE OR PREDICTABLE FOR DEVELOPERS WHO KNOW AND OPERATE IN OUR CITY CODE AND THEN ENSURES PARKING AVAILABILITY AND GREATER CONVENIENCE FOR FOR PEOPLE AND THEN CONS OF THAT IS MAY LIMIT INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND THEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND FINANCIAL FINANCIAL COSTS KIND OF REMAIN THE SAME. SO THIS IS A LOW INTERVENTION KIND OF NO IMPACT APPROACH. AND THEN THE NEXT OPTION IS TARGETED ADJUSTMENTS BASICALLY REDUCING OUR MINIMUMS IN SPECIFIC AREAS LIKE A TRANSIT CORRIDOR DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT OR COMMERCIAL NODE. THE PROS OF THIS IS THAT IT PRESERVES PARKING WHERE IT'S MOST NEEDED, SUPPORTS REDEVELOPMENT AND KEY AREAS AND THEN ENSURES THAT THERE'S AVAILABLE PARKING. THE CONS OF THIS IS THAT IT MIGHT REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS ANALYSIS FOR STAFF TO DETERMINE KIND OF WHERE THIS IS MOST APPROPRIATE. AND THEN THIS IS ALSO LIKE A LOW TO MEDIUM INTERVENTION AND MEDIUM IMPACT AND THIS IS KIND OF A ONE OF TWO KIND OF STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT I'LL GET INTO IN A MOMENT. AND THEN THERE'S MODERATE REDUCTION WHICH IS BASICALLY RIGHT SIZING OUR MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS ACROSS THE BOARD. IT'S ALSO A STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND SO HERE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET AS WELL IS LIKE A TABLE OF SUGGESTED OR RECOMMENDED REDUCTIONS. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT DOESN'T GO DOWN A TON BUT IT'S YOU KNOW, MODERATE ADJUSTMENTS ARE LIKE 10 OR 20% BELOW THE CURRENT REQUIREMENT . >> SO THE PROS OF A MODERATE REDUCTION IS THAT IT REDUCES DEVELOPMENT COSTS, ALSO SUPPORTS INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND THE CONS IS IT MAY MODESTLY INCREASE DEMAND FOR ON STREET PARKING DURING PEAK PERIODS AND THEN A STEP FURTHER IS PARKING MAXIMUMS WHICH BASICALLY CREATES KIND OF LIKE A CEILING A MINIMUM AS THE FLOOR PARKING MAXIMUM IS THE CEILING THE PROS IS IT LIMITS TOO MUCH PARKING AND MAXIMIZES LAND USE EFFICIENCY CONS OF THAT IS IT REDUCES FLEXIBILITY FOR CERTAIN USES. SO LIKE IF YOU THINK OF LIKE A HOSPITAL FOR EXAMPLE THEY USE THEY HAVE KIND OF A HIGH DEMAND FOR FOR PARKING AND SO THIS COULD YOU DON'T WANT TO SET THEIR MAXIMUM TOO LOW IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT SO IT COULD REDUCE SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR CERTAIN USES LIKE THAT AND THEN THERE'S POTENTIAL CONCERNS FROM BUSINESSES ABOUT LIKE NOT HAVING ENOUGH PARKING ACCESS FOR FOR THOSE BUSINESSES. SO THIS IS ON THE HIGHER END OF THE INVENT OUR INTERVENTION AND HAS KIND OF A HIGHER IMPACT. AND THEN LASTLY OPTION FIVE JUST REMOVES THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS ENTIRELY ALLOWING DEVELOPERS IN THE MARKET TO DETERMINE WHAT THE APPROPRIATE PARKING IS FOR THEIR PROJECT OR USE THE PROS IS IT MAXIMIZES FLEXIBILITY, SUPPORTS REDEVELOPMENT AND ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION AND THE CONS OF THAT IS THE POTENTIAL FOR UNDERSUPPLY AND WITHOUT SOME KIND OF COMPLEMENTARY STRATEGIES LIKE TRANSIT ACCESS AND BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN ALSO THE CONS OF THAT IS MORE PARKING SPILLOVER ONTO ADJACENT PROPERTIES OR STREETS IS LIKELY. SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE AT THE MAXIMUM. I SHOULD ALSO SPECIFY THAT THESE APPROACHES CAN BE KIND OF INCLUDED TOGETHER AND THAT YOU COULD SEE THAT KIND OF A LOT WITH OTHER CITIES TOO AS THEY HAVE LIKE A MINIMUM AND A MAXIMUM IN THEIR CODE AND SO YEAH, SO YOU CAN KIND OF USE MULTIPLE APPROACHES WITH THIS . SO YEAH, LIKE I SAID BEFORE OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO KIND OF DO BOTH A TARGETED ADJUSTMENT AND KIND OF LIKE A COMMERCIAL NODE OR DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS AND THEN ALSO JUST KIND OF RIGHTSIZING OUR CODE ACROSS THE BOARD ACROSS ALL LAND USES AND GIVEN LIKE BLOOMINGTON IS A REGIONAL DESTINATION AND AN AUTO AUTO ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, THIS IS KIND OF A BALANCED OR MORE INCREMENTAL APPROACH. THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION OPTION AND WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK LATER AND KIND OF TAKE THIS AS A PROJECT THAT IS KIND OF ALWAYS MOVING AND ALWAYS EVALUATING KIND OF HOW THESE IMPACT THE COMMUNITY. SO UM LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE GOT. OKAY SO REMOVING UNNECESSARY PARKING CATEGORIES THIS IS ONE OF MY LATER SLIDES SO SOME EXISTING LAND USE TYPES ARE VERY SPECIFIC AND CAN BE REMOVED OR CONSOLIDATED WITH SOMETHING ELSE EXISTING IN OUR PARKING TABLE. SO EXAMPLE OF THAT IS OUR CATERING AND WE SEPARATED ALL BY MAJOR AND MINOR. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO USE THE MANUFACTURING STANDARD. I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE WITH CATERING USES AND THEN ALSO HIGH INTENSITY OFFICE JUST USE THE GENERAL OFFICE STANDARD AND CONSOLIDATE IT WITH THAT. SO WITH THAT I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU ALL. I DO HAVE THREE QUESTIONS ALTHOUGH THE FIRST QUESTION IS KIND OF WHERE I WANT TO SPEND THE MOST TIME TONIGHT BUT I ALSO HAVE NUMBER TWO AND THREE. SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS PARTICULARLY ABOUT OUR PARKING FLEXIBILITY MEASURES OR IF YOU FEEL LIKE THERE'S A PARKING STANDARD THAT SHOULD BE REMOVED OR CONSOLIDATED WITH ANOTHER USE? I I'M OPEN TO HEARING THAT FEEDBACK AS WELL BUT I KIND OF JUST WANT TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON WHERE YOU ALL FEEL THE BEST APPROACH WOULD WOULD BE FOR STAFF TO TAKE THANK YOU A DAY I THINK BEFORE WE JUMP RIGHT INTO DISCUSSION I'D LIKE TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF BEFORE WE GET GOING. COMMISSIONER LEE THANK YOU CHAIR AND THANK YOU MS. O'DEA FOR THE PRESENTATION. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS ON REDUX IF WE REDUCE THE STANDARDS ON CALCULATING THE NUMBER OF HANDICAPPED PARKING PLACES IT PARTICULARLY IN COMMERCIAL ENTITIES? THANK YOU CHAIR. COMMISSIONER SO THE ACCESSIBILITY OR HANDICAP STALLS ARE NOT PART OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON THE BUILDING CODE AND SO THAT'S ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. SO THAT'S NOT CHANGING WITH THIS PROJECT. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF IS WHAT YOU SAID THERE COULD BE THE POTENTIAL OF MIXING AND MATCHING AND TAKING THINGS OUT OF DIFFERENT BUCKETS HERE. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY COMMISSIONER WAIT. THANK YOU CHAIR. JUST A QUICK QUESTION IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. YOU HAD MENTIONED HIGH DENSITY COMMERCIAL OR HIGH DENSITY OFFICE. WHAT IS HIGH DENSITY VERSUS GENERAL? SO HIGH INTENSITY OFFICE IS LIKE A CALL CENTER. IT'S LIKE SO MANY PEOPLE WITHIN LIKE 1000FT IT QUALIFIES AS HIGH INTENSITY OFFICE. YEAH. MS. O'DEA WHEN STEPH WAS LOOKING AT THIS ONE OF MY CONCERNS AS YOU MENTIONED IT WAS EVERY APPLICATION THAT'S COME BEFORE US THAT UTILIZES THE OPPORTUNITY HOUSING ORDINANCE HAS USED THE PARKING FLEXIBILITY. DO WE HAVE CONCERN ABOUT WEAKENING THE CHO BY LOWERING THE PARKING STANDARDS? I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND I THINK THAT WHAT WE'VE FOUND WITH I THINK I MENTIONED IN MY STAFF REPORT THE NEXUS STUDY IS THAT DEVELOPERS HAVE SEEN THAT 1.2 SPACES PER UNIT IS KIND OF WHAT THEY'RE SEEING WITH DEMAND. BUT I THINK WHERE YOU LIE TONIGHT WILL KIND OF INFORM HOW WE USE THE SHOW IN THE FUTURE MAYBE MAKING MODERATION TO THAT SHOW PERCENTAGES COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK AT. MR. JOHNSON ANYTHING THAT THANKS YOU'RE COOKED. AND I WOULD JUST ADD THAT WHILE THE PARKING INCENTIVE IS DEFINITELY VALUABLE I ECHO LIZ'S COMMENT ABOUT MAKING ADJUSTMENTS IF THE CITY WERE TO REDUCE OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR MULTIFAMILY SO IT DOESN'T GET TOO OUT OF WHACK I THINK IT'S NOT AS SIGNIFICANT AS AN INCENTIVE AS SAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND DOLLARS OR TIFF OR OTHER TOOLS THAT THE CITY USES TO DRIVE LOWER LEVELS OF AFFORDABILITY. SO I WOULDN'T PRECLUDE THE POSSIBILITY OF AN IMPACT THERE BUT I WOULDN'T SAY THAT IT'S THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CARROT THAT THE CITY USES TO DRIVE HIGHER LEVELS OF AFFORDABILITY FOR THAT REASON. THANK YOU CHAIR ARE THERE ANY EXAMPLES OF CITIES THAT ARE DOING OPTION FIVE CURRENTLY THE AREA? >> YEAH. SO MINNEAPOLIS AND ST PAUL HAVE REMOVED THEIR MINIMUM ENTIRELY. DULUTH HAS UM ROCHESTER I DON'T THINK HAS REMOVED MINIMUMS BUT I THINK THEY HAVE MADE SOME STRIDES LIKE IN THEIR MIXED USE DISTRICTS AND THEN OBVIOUSLY COUNTRY OR CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE REMOVED MINIMUMS LIKE SEATTLE, AUSTIN SOME OF THE LARGER CITIES BUT ALSO SOME SMALLER SUBURBAN COMMUNITIES OF A POPULATION LIKE BLOOMINGTON HAVE ALSO REMOVED MINIMUMS AS WELL . COMMISSIONER ANDY I'M NOT SURE I'M GOING TO GET THIS RIGHT BUT I THINK THERE WAS A STORY IN THE NEWSPAPER THIS WEEK AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE FROM THE STAFF READ THE ARTICLE THAT ONE OF THE ST PAUL JUST DISCOVERED SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF REDUCING THE THE MINIMUMS IS ANYONE FROM I THINK IT HAD TO DO WITH THEY WERE HOPING IT WOULD INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WHAT IT ENDED UP DOING WAS CREATING MORE STEW IT WAS AROUND ST THOMAS THAT'S WHAT IT WAS AND THAT IT ENDED UP BEING VERY HIGH DOLLAR HOUSING THAT WAS GETTING BUILT VERY DENSELY POPULATED BECAUSE THAT BUT THAT WAS LINKED TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS OF HOUSING IN BLOOMINGTON ARE THOSE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES IF YOU CAN REMIND ME I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CHAIR COOKED IN COMMISSIONER LAND. HEY, THANKS FOR THAT QUESTION. SO THAT ARTICLE WAS PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON SOME OF THE ZONING REFORM THAT ST PAUL HAS DONE ABOUT HOUSING TYPES. IT'S NOT AS CONNECTED TO THEIR ACTIONS ON OFF STREET PARKING. IT'S CERTAINLY ALL CONNECTED MOST CERTAINLY BUT THAT HAD MORE TO DO WITH SOME REFORMS THEY DID IN 2023 RELATED TO MISSING MIDDLE TYPES AND LOWER DENSITY APARTMENTS AND THOSE THINGS YOU KNOW , MISS O'DAY, CAN WE SEE THE QUESTION AGAIN ? COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU, CHAIR. MY RESPONSE TO THESE QUESTIONS I GUESS WOULD BE I'M I'M INCLINED TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. I HAD THE EXACT SAME QUESTION ABOUT I THINK I WROTE THE ALLURE OF THE OPPORTUNITY HOUSING ORDINANCE INCENTIVES. SO IF WE COULD MAYBE TOUCH ON THAT I'M NOT TRYING TO ADD TO THE 27 WORK PLAN I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY ALREADY FOR MR. JOHNSON BUT JUST IF WE COULD AS PART OF THIS STUDY JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING TOO CLOSE WHERE WE'RE TAKING AWAY AN INCENTIVE THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY PAUSE FOR REDUCING I DON'T THINK REMOVING MINIMUMS OR SETTING MAXIMUMS IS KIND OF THE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I FEEL LIKE THAT COULD DO AT SETTING MAXIMUMS COULD DO MORE HARM THAN GOOD FOR OUR NEXT ITEM I'M SURE MR. ROBERTS HAS SOME THOUGHTS ON PUTTING ALL THE CARS ON THE STREET SO I'M INCLINED TO GO WITH TARGETED ADJUSTMENTS OR MODERATE REDUCTIONS. THANKS. THANKOU. MR. DE IF I COULD ASK ANOTHER QUESTION HOW IMPACTFUL IS OUR ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION? OBVIOUSLY THE CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO SEE THIS BUT IS THIS REALLY CHARTING THE COURSE FOR THIS OR LIKE WHAT WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF THE DECISION OR THE GUIDANCE WE GAVE YOU THIS EVENING? >> IT'S A BIT VAGUE. I MEAN YOUR YOUR FEEDBACK IS IMPORTANT. I VALUE YOUR INPUT AND YOU'VE SEEN DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS COME THROUGH HERE AND YOU KIND OF HAVE THE CONTEXT AND YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'LL SAY THERE. MR. JOHNSON ANYTHING I THANK YOU. I MEAN WHAT I'D ADD TO THAT IS CERTAINLY WITH ANY POLICY STUDY ITEM THAT WE BRING BEFORE YOU THE ORDINANCE SHOULD THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZE THE PREPARATION OF ONE IS IT REFLECTS A COMBINATION OF THE FEEDBACK WE HEAR FROM PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. SO YES, YOU'RE CERTAINLY CHARTING THE COURSE. WE HAVEN'T MADE A FIRM DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD BRING THIS BACK BEFORE YOU IN A DRAFT FORM A MORE FIRMED UP DRAFT ORDINANCE AS OF YET I KNOW SOME PROJECTS LIKE THE SIGN CODE THERE IS MULTIPLE ROUNDS OF STUDY SESSIONS AND IT'S NOT TO LENGTHEN OR BELABOR THE ISSUE IT'S JUST THAT IN SOME CASES LIKE THIS ONE YOU NEED TO SET WHAT IS THE DIRECT POLICY DIRECTION BEFORE WE REALLY DRILL DOWN INTO EVERY LITTLE DETAIL. NOW THIS KIND OF REPRESENTS A BLEND OF BOTH WHERE PLANNER O'DEA HAS PROVIDED A TABLE OF RECOMMENDED ADJUSTMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH SOME OF THESE POTENTIAL POLICY DIRECTIONS. SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION TODAY. I THINK WE CAN USE OUR PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT IN THAT . BUT YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU'RE CERTAINLY PROVIDING THE POLICY DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING TO PURSUE WHICH WILL TAKE THE FORM OF IN AN ORDINANCE LATER ON. THANK YOU BOTH. WHERE I WAS KIND OF GOING WITH THAT IS YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE ARE THE BUCKETS OF OPTIONS BUT WE REALLY HAVEN'T DIVED INTO THE DETAILS YET AND WHAT I WAS GOING FOR THERE WAS LET'S SAY WE PICK OPTION FIVE DOESN'T MATTER WHICH ONE AND WE FIND THAT THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THERE WE DIDN'T EXPECT AND THIS IS WAY DIFFERENT THAN WE HAD KIND OF THOUGHT ABOUT AND WE'RE SEEING SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT MAY COME OUT OF OPTION FIVE OR OPTION THREE WHATEVER WE PICK HERE, WHETHER THERE STILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT FEEDBACK FROM STAFF SAYING WE WERE LOOKING AT OPTION THREE HERE'S ALL THE BENEFITS. THERE ARE SOME POTENTIAL DRAWBACKS OF THIS. IT'S STILL OPEN FOR OUR CONSIDERATION TO SAY NO OR ADJUST COURSE AT THAT POINT. YEAH IF I CAN PLEASE FOR THAT CHAIR CUSHION AS YOU KNOW YOU'RE WEARING YOUR LEGISLATIVE HAT IN THIS CASE YOU'RE NOT SUBJECT TO AN AGENCY ACTION TIMELINE. THE CITY CAN PREPARE AN ORDINANCE, BRING IT BEFORE YOU AND IF THERE'S CONCERN EITHER ON THE PART OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER CITY COUNCIL, THEY CERTAINLY CAN PAUSE AND ADJUST COURSE. SO THE THE ONLY URGENCY THAT KIND OF PUSHES US IS JUST THE POTENTIAL POLICY BENEFITS. I MEAN CERTAINLY THERE'S IMPACTS TO OR OTHER CHALLENGES DOESN'T NEVER COMES WITHOUT THAT BUT THE URGENCY IS REALLY JUST KIND OF SELF-IMPOSED TO AN EXTENT AND THE TIMELINE IS SELF IMPOSED REALLY IT'S JUST ABOUT THE MARKET RESPONSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OFFICIALLY NO SORRY I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. CHAIR CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW IT WORKS WITH WHERE I SEE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY IS IN COMMERCIAL AREAS WHERE THERE'S PARKING LOTS THAT WERE MAYBE BUILT FOR ONE CONFIGURATION OF THE MALL AND OVER TIME THINGS HAVE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY. I'LL USE FOR EXAMPLE LIKE 98 THE NORMANDY HILL WHICH HAS A LOT OF SORT OF SUB PARKING LOTS WITHIN IT. HOW DOES IT WORK IF ONE OF THOSE FACILITIES THAT'S NOT IN THE MAIN STRIP MALL DECIDES TO CHANGE USE DO THEY HAVE TO FIT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THEIR KIND OF WALLED OFF AREA OR CAN THEY COUNT THE UNDERUTILIZED PARKING SPOTS? DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS MAKING SENSE. CAN THEY COUNT THE UNDERUTILIZED PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE MAYBE IN THE ADJACENT LOT? BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S AN AREA THAT WITH ALL OF THE PARTICULARLY THE STRIP MALLS GOING THROUGH FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT CONSIDERATIONS OF REDEVELOPMENT AND USAGE OVER THE YEARS MAYBE OUT OF WHACK ALSO AND MAYBE SOMETHING WORTH LOOKING AT WITHIN THIS CONVERSATION. THINGS THAT YOU'RE COOKED IN COMMISSIONER LAND NOT TO DIVE INTO TOO MANY DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT IT REALLY DEPENDS IF THERE'S MULTIPLE OWNERS YOU HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL SITES THAT MIGHT BE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH MULTIPLE OWNERS. THEY MIGHT BE ENGAGING IN A SHARED PARKING ARRANGEMENT WHICH IS WHY THERE'S A SHARED PARKING FLEXIBILITY TOOL IN OUR CODE. SO WE LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MAYBE THERE'S USES WITHIN THESE SITES THAT PEAK AT DIFFERENT TIMES. YOU KNOW HOUSING VERSUS RETAIL VERSUS OFFICE VERSUS THOSE THINGS HEALTH CLUB ALL OF THEM HAVE DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS AND PEAK AT DIFFERENT TIMES SO WE DEFINITELY LOOK FOR THAT AND IN ADDITION TO THAT EVEN WITHIN A SITE THAT HAS ONE OWNER DEPENDING ON WHAT THE USE MIX OF A MULTI-TENANT RETAIL CENTER IS, YOU CAN LOOK AT SHARED PARKING IF THERE'S DIFFERENT PEEKING. THE ONLY CHALLENGE WITH THAT APPROACH IS THAT THAT'S KIND OF LOCKING IN A CERTAIN MIX OF TENANTS OR OCCUPANCY. SO SAY WHAT YOU ENVISIONED YOU KNOW IN ORDER TO REDUCE PARKING OR NOT HAVE TO ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT OCCUPANCY MIX CHANGES LATER AND THEN YOU HAVE IN YOU KNOW MORE OFTEN THAN NOT AN INADEQUATE PARKING SUPPLY. SO THAT'S JUST THE ONLY CHALLENGE OF THAT TOOL IS THAT THINGS CHANGE AND IT'S HARD TO ADJUST OVER TIME. GREAT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MUNSTER THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. JUST AS A GENERAL STATEMENT I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF SETTING PARKING MAXIMUMS PARTICULARLY WITH CERTAIN LAND USES MAYBE NOT ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EVERY SINGLE THING I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK IN TWO DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES IN TWO DIFFERENT STATES THAT WENT FROM MID-CENTURY ZONING ORDINANCES TO MORE MODERN ORDINANCES THAT INCLUDED PARKING MAXIMUMS GENERALLY THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE HIGH ENOUGH THAT THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO COMPLAIN ARE THE WALMARTS OF THE WORLD WHO CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH PARKING. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT THAT EVEN JUST MAYBE PUTTING A CAP ON THERE SO YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY THAT KIND OF COMPLETELY WANTS TO CROSS THAT LINE AND BUILD AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PARKING . WITH THAT SAID, AS YOU NOTED, WE ARE FAIRLY BUILT OUT LAND IS AT A PREMIUM. SO UNLESS YOU ARE A MAJOR TYPE OF RETAILER WHO WANTS TO PACK AS MANY CARS AS POSSIBLE IN THERE, MOST PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO PUSH AGAINST THAT LIMIT. SO THAT'S SORT OF MY THOUGHTS ON THE APPROACHES. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MUNSTER. >> FISHER WHITE THANK YOU MR. CHAIR AND APOLOGIES MY ALLERGIES HAVE NOT LEFT ME WITH MUCH OF A VOICE TODAY SO BEAR WITH ME. I AGREE THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS MAKE A LOT OF SENSE SUBJECT TO A MILLION DETAILS TO BE WORKED OUT BUT I APPRECIATE IN PARTICULAR MAKING SURE THAT WHILE WE HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING WE'RE NOT OVEREMPHASIZING SINGLE USE TRIPS AND WE'RE NOT OVEREMPHASIZING, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF VEHICLES AND INSTEAD WE'RE WE'RE ENCOURAGING THROUGH OUR BUILDING PRACTICES PEOPLE TO USE THE THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US. SO I THINK THINKING ABOUT DIFFERENT DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR AREAS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO TRANSIT, DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR AREAS THAT MAYBE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO TRANSIT, I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THE OF THE PUZZLE. I THINK THE OTHER IMPORTANT PIECE AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS NOT PUSHING CARS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SURROUND WHATEVER THE FACILITY IS. I THINK THAT THAT IS WELL, YOU KNOW, OCCASIONALLY FOR A SPECIAL EVENT IS ONE THING OR IF YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FROM 11 TO 12 ON SUNDAY MORNING IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. BUT IF IT'S A CONSTANT PRESENCE OF OF CARS PARKING IN FRONT OF HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE WE LOWERED THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, I THINK THAT WOULD CAUSE SOME UNINTENDED THAT WOULD BE AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE I HOPE WE CAN AVOID. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. WAIT. I HAVE A SMATTERING OF THOUGHTS. IT'S HARD TO GET THEM ALL IN ORDER BUT I'LL DO MY MY BEST HERE. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT WE'RE OVER PARKED IN THE CITY. YOU CAN SEE IT EVERYWHERE. I SEE IT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I SEE IT EVERYWHERE I THINK I CAN COUNT ON ONE TIME ON ONE HAND THE NUMBER OF TIMES I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND A PARKING SPOT IN BLOOMINGTON. IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN. WE'RE OVER PARKED AND SOME OF THESE NEW APARTMENT COMPLEXES ESPECIALLY THAT WERE APPROVING I MEAN THE FIFTH AND SIXTH FLOORS OF THOSE RAMPS JUST SIT EMPTY AND IT'S KIND OF HEARTBREAKING TO SEE EVEN FROM A SUSTAINABILITY STANDPOINT THE AMOUNT OF CONCRETE AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE PUT INTO THESE FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON OTHER THAN OUR CODE IS OUTDATED. SO I'M SUPER SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT LOOKING AT THIS FOR YEARS AND I'M REALLY GLAD WE'RE HERE. ONE OF OUR FORMER COMMISSIONERS WHO I SERVED WITH FOR A LONG TIME ALWAYS SAID, YOU KNOW BLOOMINGTON WAS BUILT AROUND CARS AND IT IT TOOK US 100 YEARS TO GET INTO THIS AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE US 100 YEARS TO GET OUT OF IT. AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT WHAT WE DECIDE TONIGHT IS GOING TO ALL OF A SUDDEN MAKE US A CITY THAT'S NOT CENTRIC ON CARS, PARTICULARLY WITH MALL OF AMERICA, ONE OF THE MOST CAR DEMANDING ASSETS IN THE ENTIRE REGION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO NEED CARS FOR A LONG TIME IN THIS CITY. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT PRECLUDES US FROM MAKING OUR WAY AND INCHING TOWARDS SUCCESS AND STARTING TO BITE OFF THOSE HUNDRED YEARS TILL WE GET TO A MORE WALKABLE AND PLEASANT, LESS CAR CENTRIC CITY. YOU KNOW IN TO THE CONCERN ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD SPILLOVER I I'M SUPPORTIVE OF SOME NEIGHBORHOODS SPILLOVER YOU KNOW MINNEAPOLIS AND SABLE HAVE A LOT OF IT AND THOSE RESIDENTS THEY'RE USED TO IT THEY BOUGHT THEIR HOMES KNOWING THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE CASE AND YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FOR BLOOMINGTON THAT IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT TO HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD SPILLOVER IN OUR RESIDENTIAL STREETS BUT WE'RE FULLY BUILT OUT AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO URBANIZE OVER TIME AND IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP ADDING PEOPLE INTO THE CITY OVER TIME WE'RE GOING TO START TO LOOK MORE LIKE MINNEAPOLIS AND ST PAUL. AND I'M NOT AGAINST THAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. I DON'T THINK THAT IF IN THREE MONTHS WE PASSED THIS AND LET'S JUST SAY WE WERE TO GO VERY AGGRESSIVE WITH THIS NUMBER FOUR NUMBER FIVE, OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NOT GOING TO BE FULL OF CARS RIGHT AWAY. IT'S GOING TO BE ONE DEVELOPMENT AT A TIME. IT'S GOING TO BE ONE DEVELOPER AT A TIME WHO HAS A LITTLE LESS PARKING AND STREETS SLOWLY START TO FILL UP AND I MEAN WE'RE TALKING YEARS AND DECADES OF TIME BEFORE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS REALLY FILL UP WITH STREET PARKING AND BY THAT TIME THOSE HOUSES HAVE TURNED OVER AND MORE DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE PURCHASED THOSE HOMES AND THEY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE GETTING INTO. THEY'RE MOVING INTO A MORE URBAN COMMUNITY THAT HAS AMENITIES OF AN URBAN, RURAL AND URBAN AREA AND THAT THEY BOUGHT THEIR HOME THERE WITH INTENTION. AND SO I'M NOT AGAINST SEEING SOME NEIGHBORHOODS SPILLOVER I'M REALLY NOT MY ONE CONCERN WITH THAT THOUGH IS IN ALL FAIRNESS I, I DO WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO HURTING BUSINESSES AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS I'M READY FOR IT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS ARE AND I LIVE NEAR A COFFEE SHOP THAT HAS VERY, VERY LITTLE PARKING. IT'S A WONDERFUL COFFEE SHOP BUT THERE'S NOT MUCH PARKING AND I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY I DON'T REALLY LIKE THAT ONE BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE I'M GOING TO FIND A PARKING SPOT AND THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE'S PARKING IN A STRUCTURE OF RAMP NEARBY, I'M NOT SURE THE YOU KNOW I'M PAINTING WITH A BROAD BRUSH HERE. THE AVERAGE BLOOMINGTON RESIDENT IS EXPECTING TO HAVE TO PARK IN A STRUCTURED RAMP TO GET A CUP OF COFFEE. I THINK PEOPLE IN MINNEAPOLIS AND ST PAUL ARE USED TO THAT. I THINK WE'RE NOT QUITE AS USED TO THAT AND IT COULD STOP PEOPLE FROM GOING TO THAT PARTICULAR COFFEE SHOP. THEY MAY CHOOSE TO GO TO YOU KNOW THE CARIBOU THAT HAS STREET PARKING AND SO OR OFF STREET PARKING RATHER AND SO I DO HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT. BUT I THINK I'D GO BACK TO AN EARLIER POINT THAT JUST SAYS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN ONE BUSINESS AT A TIME AND I'M A BELIEVER JUST MY OPINION THAT WE NEED TO URBANIZE AND ARE GOING TO HAVE TO URBANIZE TO GROW THIS CITY AND NOT STAY STAGNANT AND I'M WILLING TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE CONSEQUENCES THAT ARE SLOWLY GOING TO HAPPEN OVER TIME. THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN I DO HAVE IS THAT UNLIKE MINNEAPOLIS, WE HAVE SOME AREAS OF OUR CITY THAT DON'T HAVE ANY STREET PARKING AND SO I REMEMBER YEARS AGO WE WE APPROVED A PARKING REDUCTION FOR A SENIOR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IN NORMAN DALE LAKE OFFICE PARK AND MAN NORMAN THEY LIKE OFFICE PARK HAS NO STREET PARKING YOU THERE ARE HUGE STREETS YOU CAN'T PARK ON THOSE AND SO IF THAT LOT FILLS UP AND YOU'VE GOT SENIOR DEVELOPMENT THAT CAN BE A BAD SITUATION. AND SO I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY JUST GO WILD AND AND NOT HAVE ANY THOUGHT TO PARKING SO YOU KNOW WE DO HAVE SOME PLACES WHERE IT'S REALLY NOT APPROPRIATE TO UNDER PARK BUT I THINK THEY'RE RELATIVELY FEW AND FAR BETWEEN AND I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE ON STAFF THAT COULD TAKE THAT AS A CASE BY CASE BASIS SO LONG AS WE'RE BEING A LITTLE BIT CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE CRAFT THE LANGUAGE. SO ALL OF THAT IS TO SAY THAT I'M WILLING TO BE PRETTY AGGRESSIVE ON THIS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MASSIVE PROBLEMS OVERNIGHT. I THINK WE WOULD SEE THOSE CHANGES RELATIVELY SLOWLY IN OUR BUILT OUT CITY. I WOULD BE PRETTY COMFORTABLE GOING TOWARDS OPTION FOUR OR OPTION FIVE. I'D LIKE TO YOU KNOW, I WOULD WANT TO SEE THE REASON I CAN'T MAKE UP MY MIND ON THAT IS BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS OF WHAT THOSE TWO LOOK LIKE. BUT I'M PREPARED TO BE PRETTY AGGRESSIVE ON THIS AND IT'S MY OPINION TO GO TOWARDS MORE OPTIONS 4 OR 5. COMMISSIONER SUMMERS THANK YOU CHAIR. I AGREE WITH MUCH OF WHAT THE CHAIR HAS COMMENTED. I'M ACTUALLY SURPRISED TO SEE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION SO FAR TO THE LEFT OF THIS GRAPHIC YET I ALSO FEEL LIKE THE PRESENTATION HELPED ME UNDERSTAND WHY THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ENDED UP THERE. I WANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS SPECIFIC PIECE OF THE PUZZLE HAS BEEN VISITED IN A QUARTER CENTURY. SO IF WE ARE TO BE REALLY CONSERVATIVE IN OUR CHOICES I THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT THE WORLD IS CHANGING FASTER THAN IT WAS 25 YEARS AGO AND THERE ARE MORE URGENT NEEDS AND BETTER USES WE'D LIKE TO SEE SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS CIRCLE MOVE TO T RIGHT A LITTLE BIT. I ALSO WORKED IN ST PAUL AS THE REMOVAL OF THE MINIMUM PARKING WENT INTO EFFECT AND SAW IT REALLY IMPACT SMALL BUSINESSES PEOPLE WHO WERE MOM AND POP SHOPS OR OWNING A SMALL BUSINESS FOR THE FIRST TIME AND FEELING LIKE WOW THIS IS A GREAT SPLIT SPACE IN A REALLY BUSY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN THOSE SHUTTER AND REOPEN AND SHUTTER AND REOPEN. SO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER THERE BUT HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST KEEPING IN MIND LARGE BUSINESSES ALTHOUGH WE DO WANT TO KEEP THEM IN MIND THAT WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO HOW THIS IMPACTS SMALL INDEPENDENTLY OWNED BUSINESSES BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE BUSINESSES THAT REALLY DO IMPACT OUR ECONOMY LONG TERM AND PEOPLE LIVE HERE AND SPEND THEIR MONEY THERE INSTEAD OF THAT MONEY GOING TO WHEREVER WALMART SHAREHOLDERS LIVE WHICH SOME OF THEM COULD LIVE HERE AND NOT TO SINGLE WALMART OUT. WE HAVE A LOT OF BIG BUSINESS IN BLOOMINGTON AND THAT DOES CONTRIBUTE TO OUR ECONOMY BUT HOW ARE WE CREATING A MIX THAT IS BALANCED SOHAT OUR ECONOMY IN BLOOMINGTON CAN THRIVE LONG TERM? FOR ME THAT MEANS WE'RE SUPPORTING LOCALLY OWNED PLACES. THE REMOVAL OF MINIMUMS ALSO HAS SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IN THE ECOSYSTEM OF SNOW REMOVAL WHICH I'M GUESSING WILL PROBABLY COME UP IN THE NEXT SEGMENT. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I'M AWARE OF WHEN I'M THINKING ABOUT WHERE THIS CIRCLE MOVES TO THE LEFT OR TO THE RIGHT. SO I AM FOR MODERATE CHANGE. IF WE ARE REVISITING THIS AT MORE THAN A 25 YEAR INTERVAL AND I THINK FOR ME I'M LIKE SHOULD IT MOVE A LITTLE TO THE RIGHT? >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SUMMERS FISHERIES UH THANK YOU CHAIR I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH BOTH COMMISSIONER SUMMERS AND NEW CHAIR CLIFTON AS WELL. I'M FOR NOW I'M LEANING MORE TOWARDS THE RIGHT MORE TOWARDS FIVE. I THINK IT'S BEST TO ALLOW THE MARKET TO DETERMINE THE APPROVED PARKING SUPPLY. IT'S A BIT OF A PARADOX SEEING OR YEAH I GUESS A PARADOX SEEING HOW IT'S CONSIDERED HIGH INTERVENTION HERE. I KNOW IT'S IN RELATION TO WHAT IT'S AT BUT YEAH I THINK THAT'S AND BASICALLY LETTING THE MARKET DECIDE WITH THE CAVEAT OF FINDING NEW WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF POSSIBLE WE SHOULD YOU KNOW SO THAT'S THAT'S DEFINITELY IMPORTANT TO YOUR ONE OF THE EXAMPLES YOU BROUGHT UP I THINK IT WAS A WAS AN APARTMENT BUILDING THAT HAD A GARAGE PARKING. THEY HAD LIKE TWO LEVELS OF PARKING TWO PARKING LEVELS THAT ARE USUALLY EMPTY. I THINK THAT'S FROM THE DEVELOPER FROM A DEVELOPER'S ANGLE PRETTY WASTEFUL THAT COULD GO INTO OTHER DEVELOPMENT ESPECIALLY IF IT'S UH IT COULD BE MARKET RENT OR ESPECIALLY IF IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING YOU KNOW THAT'S TAKING AWAY FROM UH SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT COULD HAVE HAD TO DEVELOP THAT COULD HAVE DEVELOPED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM I WOULD DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE OR TRY TO I WOULD I WOULD HAVE DONE IT MYSELF IF I DIDN'T LOOK INTO IT A LITTLE MORE BUT DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE STAFF TO LOOK MORE INTO LIKE CITIES THAT ARE FILM SIMILAR POPULATION WISE TO LET ME TEN I THINK THE CLOSEST ONE YOU MENTIONED WAS DULUTH I GUESS IN MINNESOTA AT LEAST AND SEE AND GET FEEDBACK OF HOW IT'S BEEN LIKE FOR THEM. YEAH I THINK THAT'S THAT'S EVERYTHING. THANK YOU MR. JOHNSON ANYTHING THAT A CHAIR CORRECTION IF I CAN MAKE ONE JUST CLARIFICATION TO JUST TO HELP THE NATURE OF THE DISCUSSION IS THAT I KNOW THAT ON THE SLIDE IT'S KIND OF PRESENTED AS A RANGE OF YOU KNOW, LOW VERSUS MORE SIGNIFICANT INTERVENTION. BUT ONE THING I WOULD POINT OUT JUST IN THE THE BECAUSE YOU CAN SELECT MULTIPLE OF THESE STRATEGIES AT ONE TIME WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MODERATE REDUCTIONS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACROSS THE BOARD FOR THE WHOLE CITY, THE WHOLE JUST GEOGRAPHY AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SET PARKING MAXIMUMS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACROSS THE WHOLE GEOGRAPHY SAME FOR REMOVING MINIMUMS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE GEOGRAPHY. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU CAN CONSIDER IN THE TARGETED ADJUSTMENTS PIECE IS IF YOU FEEL LIKE THERE ARE PORTIONS OF THE COMMUNITY WHERE PARKING MINIMUMS SHOULD BE REMOVED AND YOU THINK OF THAT AS AN AGGRESSIVE OR MORE AGGRESSIVE STRATEGY. BUT IF IT'S LIMITED TO SAY A DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ONLY LIKE SOUTH LOOP LIKE PENN AMERICAN THAT IS AN OPTION WHILE STILL PURSUING MODERATE REDUCTIONS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE GEOGRAPHY. SO YOU KNOW, WE'LL RETHINK THIS GRAPHIC A LITTLE BIT. WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO PROVIDE HELPFUL VISUALS OF HOW TO THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS BUT IF YOU PUT EVERY SINGLE DETAIL IN THERE THEN IT GETS GETS A LITTLE BIT LOST IN TRANSLATION TO BUT IT COULD BE SOME BLENDING OF A MORE AGGRESSIVE POSTURE OR POLICY CHOICE IN THE AREAS WHERE THE CITY STRIVES TO SEEK THE MOST INTENSE DEVELOPMENT, THE MOST DENSITY THOSE THINGS WHILE STILL TAKING A MORE TEMPERATE OR MORE MODERATE APPROACH IN THE REMAINDER OF THE CITY. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE ASPECT OF THE MENU THAT'S YOU CAN CHOOSE MULTIPLE OF THESE THINGS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. JOHNSON NOTHING I WOULD LIKE TO ADD BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE CONVERSATION ABOUT SMALL BUSINESS AND I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER SILVER'S EXPERIENCE IN SAINT PAUL AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HER ON THE SENSITIVITY OF IT. I ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE KIND OF BEEN THINKING ABOUT IS YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH SMALL BUSINESS IN BLOOMINGTON ? AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE PARTICULARLY GOOD AT IN THE CITY. WE'RE VERY GOOD AT AT NATIONAL ATTRACTIONS AND OTHER THINGS SMALL BUSINESSES FAR FROM OUR STRONG POINT THERE IS A SECRET ABOUT THAT AS WE MOVE TOWARDS MORE URBAN CHARACTER IN OUR DESIGN CODE WHERE BUILDINGS ARE CLOSER TO THE STREET AND EVERYTHING AND WE'RE YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT REALLY IN THE AGE OF STRIP CENTERS ANYMORE. WE'RE IN TRYING TO HAVE MORE STREET FOCUSED RETAIL. YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES IN SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS WHATEVER THAT DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING AND THERE'S IT'S JUST ON THE STREET AND WHEN YOU TALK TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS I HAVE MANY COLLEAGUES ETC. WE ALL DO THAT LIVE THERE AND YOU ASK THEM WHY THEY LIKE IT SO MUCH IT'S BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE NO PARKING. I MEAN THEY'RE JUST AT A STREET CORNER AND IT'S THE IT'S THE COFFEE SHOP AND IT'S THE YOU KNOW, IN PREVIOUS YEARS MAYBE A HARDWARE STORE OR WHATEVER AND THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY PARKING BUT IT PROVIDES A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER. IT'S PEOPLE WALKING TO IT. IT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO BE OUT ON THE STREETS ON FOOT BY BICYCLE INSTEAD OF BY CAR. AND AGAIN I THINK THAT STARTS TO MOVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE TOWARDS GETTING AWAY FROM BEING SUCH A CAR CENTERED CITY INTO ONE THAT'S MORE WALKABLE AND INVITING AND AND I THINK THERE COULD BE ALSO ALTHOUGH WE WANT TO BE CERTAINLY SENSITIVE TO SMALL BUSINESSES AND NOT HURTING THEM, WE ALSO MAY OPEN DOORS FOR SMALL BUSINESS OVER TIME BY NOT FORCING PARKING AND HAVING SOMEONE BE ABLE TO HAVE A MUCH SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAT'S JUST ON THE STREET AND THEY CAN COUNT ON PEOPLE WALKING BY AND THEY DON'T NEED THE PARKING BECAUSE THERE'S JUST MORE PEOPLE ON THE STREETS COMMERCIAL IN IT THANK YOU CHAIR AND WHILE I GENERALLY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, I THINK THE ONE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE STAFF TO THINK ABOUT AS WE NAVIGATE THROUGH THIS IS HOW THIS INTERPLAYS WITH OTHER POTENTIAL INCENTIVES AND INITIATIVES SO FOR INITIATIVES IS MORE THE WORD I MEANT I'M STICKING WITH THE SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS EXAMPLE. YOU KNOW ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THEY'VE HAD IN PARTICULAR IN A COUPLE OF THE AREAS I USE BRYANT AVENUE AS AN EXAMPLE THE INSTALLATION OF THE BIKE LANE AND THE LACK OF PARKING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN REALLY, REALLY DEVASTATING TO A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES ALONG THERE. AND SO I THINK FACTORING IN WHERE AND THIS GOES TO THE TARGETED ADJUSTMENTS WHERE WE CONSIDER REMOVING MINIMUMS, BEING MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT THAT MAY LIMIT OTHER I SHOULDN'T SAY LIMIT BUT MAY FORCE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS DOWN THE ROAD AND OTHER ACTIVITIES WE PURSUE AT THE RISK OF HAVING NO PARKING AVAILABLE. WHICH GOES BACK TO THE REASON WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT HANDICAP BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER THING IS BEING MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE FOR WHOM THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BEING ABLE TO PARK RIGHT IN FRONT OF SOMEPLACE AND HAVING TO PARK A BLOCK AWAY IS A DEAL BREAKER AND RECOGNIZING THAT WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, NOT SIGNIFICANT ONLY TINY OLDER POPULATION IN BLOOMINGTON MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO GET THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO GET DONE IN THE CITY. >> THANKS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. THERE IS A REALLY GOOD COMMENT. WHAT I'M HOPEFUL OF IS THAT OUR STREETS, OUR GENERALLY LIGHTER HERE I THINK I DON'T KNOW MAYBE MR. ROBERTS CAN COMMENT ON THAT IN THE NEXT APPLICATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE. BUT MINNEAPOLIS HAS JUST BY NATURE VERY NARROW STREETS BECAUSE THEY ARE A MUCH OLDER CITY THAN WE ARE AND SO HOPEFULLY WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE ROOM TO WORK WITH FOR THOSE BIKE LANES AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT SO TIGHT AS AS THE TWO TWIN CITIES ARE. BUT LOTS OF INVESTIGATION TO COME. I SUSPECT OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON ON THIS, MISS O'DAY, DO WE HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS TO LOOK AT HERE OR DO WE? >> YEAH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE PARKING FLEXIBILITY MEASURES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND CITY CODE SHOULD THAT BE LOOKED AT IF IF I'M HEARING THAT MAYBE SOME OF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE GO A LITTLE BIT ON TOWARDS THE RIGHT, WHAT DOES THAT YOU KNOW MEAN FOR PARKING FLEXIBILITY IS SOMETHING THAT WE'LL NEED TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT IS KIND OF HOW TO HOW TO ADDRESS THAT PARKING FLEXIBILITY. SO YEAH, CURIOUS IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY IDEAS IF THERE SHOULD BE ANY CHANGES TO PARKING FLEXIBILITY. YEAH, I'LL STOP THERE AND IN FACT IF I CAN JUST ADD FROM A MR. JOHNSON THANK YOU. IF I CAN JUST ADD FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE WE THINK THE FLEXIBILITY MEASURES WE HAVE WORKED WELL WHILE THE BULK OF YOU KNOW THREE OF THEM ARE THE MOST FREQUENT THAT WE USE, WE USE A COUPLE OF THE OTHER ONES LESS FREQUENTLY BUT WE THINK THAT THE MIX OR THE MENU THAT WE HAVE DOES WORK WELL. SO YOU KNOW ABSENT JUST REMOVING PARKING REQUIREMENTS CITYWIDE WE THINK RETAINING THEM ON SOME LEVEL IS VALUABLE. WE MIGHT WE WOULD YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY ADJUST SOME OF THE LIMITS OR THE NUMBERS OF THEM TO CORRESPOND WITH SOME OF THE ADJUSTMENTS. BUT IF THAT JUST PROVIDES A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT, YEAH, MR. MUNSTER HAS ACTUALLY LOWERED HIS HAND. ANY THOUGHTS ON PARKING FLEXIBILITY ? SEEING A LOT OF SIDEWAYS SHAKING HIS MR. JOHNSON THAT'S OKAY. IT'S JUST A TEMP CHECK, YOU KNOW WE'RE LOOKING YEAH, LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE SO WE JUST WANT TO PRESSURE TEST SOME OF THE THINGS IN THE POLICY. >> IS THERE A THIRD QUESTION? YEAH. SO UM THERE ARE SOME OUTDATED OR UNNECESSARY PARKING CATEGORIES LIKE CATERING AND MINOR MAJOR MINOR CATERING AND THEN HIGH INTENSITY OFFICE. IF YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE THAT THAT SHOULD BE CONSOLIDATED WITH OUR GENERAL MANUFACTURING STANDARD FOR CATERING AND THEN THE GENERAL OFFICE STANDARD FOR HIGH INTENSITY OFFICE I WILL ADMIT I DON'T SPEND A LOT OF MY PLANNING COMMISSION TIME THINKING ABOUT CATERING BUT I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP CLEAN UP THE CODE. OKAY. SEEING A THUMBS UP FROM COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM AND SOME OTHER COMMISSIONERS AS WELL AND COMMISSIONER MUNSTER. THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. THEY'LL BE COME AND I WOULD HAVE IS TO JUST PAY ATTENTION TO HOW IT GETS STRUCTURED IN THE CODE AT THE END OF THE REVISIONS THAT EVERYTHING THAT IS A DEFINED USE ENDS UP NOT NECESSARILY WITH ITS OWN PARKING REQUIREMENTS BUT TO WHERE YOU CAN TELL WHICH ONE IT FALLS UNDER. SO TEN YEARS FROM NOW SOMEBODY IS NOT LOOKING FOR CATERING AND HAS NO CLUE THAT THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING UNDER MANUFACTURING. MM HMM. YEP. THAT'S HELPFUL. MR. WHITE THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SORRY TO THIS ISN'T ABOUT THIS QUESTION SO I SHOULD ASK. OKAY. YES, BUT IT JUST SORT OF POPPED INTO MY HEAD AND AND I IF I SHOULD KNOW THIS I APOLOGIZE BUT WHEN WE'RE ENCOURAGING SORT OF THESE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS WE HAVE RETAIL AND BUSINESSES ON T BOTTOM FLOOR AND YOU HAVE LIVING SPACE UP ABOVE POWER THOSE DO WE HAVE SEPARATE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE AS OPPOSED TO RESIDENTIAL OR RETAIL? CORRECT. AND HOW WOULD THAT BE IMPACTED POTENTIALLY BY WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING HERE IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? >> YEAH. SO WE CALCULATE EACH USE OUT SEPARATELY SO WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A MIXED USE LIKE BROAD LIKE PARKING CALCULATOR OR PARKING CALCULATION. SO YEAH, EVERYTHING IS KIND OF JUST ITS OWN SEPARATE USE AND THAT'S HOW IT'S CALCULATED. SAME THING WITH LIKE A SHOPPING CENTER WE CALCULATE EACH LIKE RETAIL HEALTH CLUB RESTAURANT EACH INDIVIDUALLY AND THEN PUT IT ALL TOGETHER IN A TOTAL AND THAT'S YOUR REQUIREMENT FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER. BUT BUT WHAT I'D ADD TO THAT IS THAT AGAIN VARIED PEAKING HAS BEEN A FACTOR IN SUPPORTING FLEXIBILITY MEASURES EITHER THROUGH A PLAN DEVELOPMENT OR SIMILAR PROCESS TO REDUCE THE OVERALL PARKING REQUIREMENT IF BY DOING THAT CALCULATION AS PLANNER IT MENTIONS GETS YOU TO 100, WELL WE KNOW THAT THEY DON'T NEED 100 BECAUSE THE PARKING THEY'RE GOING TO SHARE SOME OF THAT PARKING BETWEEN THE RETAIL AND THE RESIDENTIAL USE. RIGHT. SO GOOD FEEDBACK. THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR US, MR.. THAT IS ALL. ALL RIGHT. ANY FINAL THOUGHTS FROM THE COMMISSION? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MISSOURI. THANK YOU. JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT THE PARKING FUN WAS OVER, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER THREE WHICH IS ON STREET PARKING POLICIES AGAIN, THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON IS THE APPLICANT MR. KIRK ROBERTS I BELIEVE IS IN THE AUDIENCE AND MS.. AMY, YOUR OWN IS MAROON IS COMING UP AS WELL WITH THE STAFF REPORT THANK YOU WOULD BE GOOD THIS PULLED UP THERE WE GO. GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSION I'M AMY MORAN ASSISTANT TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND HAPPY TO BE DISCUSSING PARKING AGAIN WITH YOU TONIGHT. WE THOUGHT THAT THIS ITEM IT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND WORKING ON INTERNALLY A LITTLE BIT AND FELT THAT THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IT ALONG WITH THE PLANNINGS IMS FOR FOR DEALING WITH THE PARKING POTENTIAL REDUCTIONS IN PARKING SUPPLY. SO LET'S JUMP IN. SO THE PRESENTATION WILL KIND OF GO THROUGH THE HISTORICAL APPROACH ON HOW PUBLIC ON STREET PARKING WAS VIEWED IN THE PAST. THE CURRENT PARKING POLICY AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS SOME OF THE BENEFITS AS LONG AS AS WELL AS SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT COME ALONG WITH ON STREET PARKING GIVE SOME SPECIFIC KIND OF RESULTS OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE HAVE IN AREAS AND THEN WELCOME DISCUSSION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO SEE KIND OF IF IF WE DO LOOK AT DOING SOME CHANGES IN PUBLIC ON STREET PARKING AND HOW IT'S MANAGED IT REALLY WOULD BE COMMUNITY WIDE ADJUSTMENT AND EXPECTATIONS AND SO THAT'S WHY THESE THE DECISION MAKING AND THIS DISCUSSION SHOULD COME FROM THE POLICY LEVEL LEADER. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION AT A HIGH LEVEL. ALL RIGHT. SO HISTORICAL APPROACH BLOOMINGTON LIKE AS IT WAS BEING DEVELOPED THERE WAS A STRONG VALUE ON HAVING OPEN OR THE OPEN THE ROADS OPEN AND FREE OF PARKING. AND SO I KNOW LIZ MENTIONED IN 1958 WAS THE FIRST CODE ADOPTION OF SOME PARKING REQUIREMENTS WE KIRK FOUND A DOCUMENT FROM 1970 THAT TALKED ABOUT YOU KNOW PROJECTED THERE WAS THE PROJECTED STREET PLAN AND THERE'S SOME INTERESTING NOTES IN THERE THAT I THINK REALLY JUST KIND OF HELPED TO KIND OF GIVE US A VIEW OF LIKE WHAT THE THOUGHT WAS AT THAT TIME. SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S MANY REASONS FOR RESTRICTIONS ON FOR OF ON STREET PARKING ON THE MAJOR STREET SYSTEM PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR SAFETY MOVEMENT OF TRAFFIC AND ESTHETIC REASONS BEING THE MOST OBVIOUS AND THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT PEOPLE JUST NOT BEING ACCUSTOMED TO PUBLIC ON STREET PARKING IN BLOOMINGTON AND THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY ALLOWED ESPECIALLY AROUND APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND NONRESIDENTIAL AREAS. AND THEN LASTLY THERE'S THE REFERENCE TO VERY GREAT BENEFITS DERIVED FROM PARKING REGULATIONS AND THAT PARKING SHIFTS AND THAT THOSE REGULATIONS SHOULD NOT BE UNDERESTIMATED. SO WE JUST BRING THAT TO KIND OF SET THE TONE THAT WE YOU KNOW, THIS WAS HISTORICALLY THE APPROACH AND THAT IS HOW WE ENDED UP WITH A LOT OF PUBLIC ON STREET PARKING RESTRICTIONS. ALL RIGHT. SO SINCE THE TIME OF DEVELOPMENT THE CITY HAS REALLY TAKEN KIND OF A HANDS OFF APPROACH REGARDING PUBLIC ON STREET PARKING. SO THE ONLY LOCATIONS WHERE STAFF ACTIVELY GOES TO RESTRICT PARKING IS IF THERE'S BEEN AN IDENTIFIED SAFETY PROBLEM OR IF WE ARE CHANGING THE ROADWAY CONFIGURATION AND THERE'S NO LONGER YOU KNOW, WE'RE CHANGING THE USES ON THE ROADWAY AND THERE'S NO ROOM FOR PUBLIC ON STREET PARKING AND THAT WOULD BE LIKE IF WE'RE ADDING A BIKE LANE BUT OTHER THAN THAT PARKING CHANGES HAVE BEEN MOSTLY DRIVEN BY THE PREFERENCE OF THE ADJACENT ADJACENT PROPERTY RESIDENTS. I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO MUCH INTO THE EXISTING PARKING POLICY BUT THIS IS THE THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT'S LAID OUT AND I THINK THAT THE MAIN POINTS ARE THAT IT'S PLACING A LOT OF THE POWER OF THE DECISION MAKING ON WHETHER PARKING SHOULD BE ALLOWED LIKE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR NOT BE ALLOWED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT REALLY THE CURRENT POLICY PROCESS AND POLICY LEAVES MUCH OF THAT DECISION MAKING IN THE HANDS OF LIKE THE ADJACENT RESIDENTS. I MEAN ULTIMATELY IT IS THE CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION BUT THIS PROCESS REALLY IS TELLING THE ABOUT YOU KNOW, LIKE THE SURVEY OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEN WE TAKE THE FINAL DECISION TO THE COUNCIL FOR FORMAL APPROVAL. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT IT'S THIS PROCESS IS A LITTLE GOT A LITTLE BIT STREAMLINED AND 2013 SO IT'S A LAST TIME INSTANCE OF IS STILL HUGELY TIME INTENSIVE UNDER THIS CURRENT PROCESS AND THE OUTCOMES ARE REALLY WILDLY UNPREDICTABLE EVERYBODY THINKS THEY KNOW HOW THEIR NEIGHBOR FEELS ABOUT PUBLIC ON STREET PARKING. THEY DON'T. SO THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE GRAPHICS OF THE RESPONSES THAT WE GET BACK AND YOU KNOW IT'S THERE'S IT'S NEVER A UNANIMOUS DECISION I CAN TELL YOU THAT MUCH. ALL RIGHT SO WE WON'T HAVE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF PROVIDING PUBLIC ON STREET PARKING ONE IS THAT ON STREET PARKING CAN PROVIDE TRAFFIC CALMING AND SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS SO BLOOMINGTON'S TO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN A LOCAL ROAD RESEARCH BOARD STUDY THAT REALLY DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS GOING TO HAVE TO DO WITH PARKING BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE HUGE OUTCOMES I GUESS IT WAS CALLED THE SAFETY BENEFITS OF OCCASIONAL HAZARD WARNING SIGNS IN CASE ANYBODY WANTS TO GO. BUT WE WERE TRYING TO LOOK AND SEE IS THERE ANY SPEED REDUCTION VALUE AND ADDING LIKE PLAYGROUND SIGNS OR KIDS ARE IN THE AREA AND THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO SPEED REDUCTION FROM THOSE SIGNS BUT THERE WAS A VERY MEASURABLE TEN MILE AN HOUR SPEED REDUCTION AROUND THE PARKS WHERE PARKING WAS TAKING PLACE VERSUS WHERE THERE WASN'T. SO THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE WE HAVE OTHER PLACES THAT WE CAN SEE ABOUT AS WELL. THE OTHER BULLET HERE IS PERSONS INTERACTING WITH ROADWAY CAUSING DRIVERS TO USE GREATER CAUTION AND THERE'S A LOT OF RESEARCH THAT SHOWS THAT PEOPLE DRIVE BASED ON THE CONDITIONS ON THE ROADWAY AND ONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS AS IF THEY CAN MAKE EYE CONTACT OR CAN SEE FACES OF PEOPLE THE DRIVERS ACTUALLY REDUCE THEIR SPEEDS. ALL RIGHT. MORE BENEFITS OF PUBLIC ON STREET PARKING. IT PROVIDES OVERFLOW PARKING OPPORTUNITIES. THERE ARE SOME ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OF PROVIDING TOO MUCH ONSITE PARKING AND SO WITH THE WITH THE POTENTIAL OF ON STREET PARKING POSSIBLY REDUCE SOME OF THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND THEN IT WOULD BE A WAY TO FULLY UTILIZE OR FULLY USE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IN SOME CASES IS SITTING PRIMARILY UNUSED. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T WANT TO UNDERPLAY THE CHALLENGES OF ON STREET PARKING AND THERE WERE A LOT OF MENTION OF THEM AND SOME OF THE OTHER DISCUSSION SO THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE PUBLIC ON STREET PARKING CAN PROVIDE REDUCED VISIBILITY ESPECIALLY AT INTERSECTIONS, DRIVEWAYS CROSSWALKS. SO THAT WOULD BE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND SOME TIME MANAGING AS WELL THERE EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE WIDE ROADS IN THE MEANTIME WE STILL DO NEED TO BALANCE THE NEEDS SO IF WE HAVE ON ROAD BIKE LANES A LOT OF TIME AND ON BUSIER ROADWAYS A LOT OF TIMES WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE FOR ON STREET PARKING IN THOSE LOCATIONS. WE ALSO HAVE A HUGE NUMBER OF ROADWAYS THAT DO NOT HAVE ANY OFF ROAD BIKE OR PAD FACILITIES AND SO IF YOU DO START MIXING IN DENSE ON STREET PARKING ALONG WITH A TWO WAY TRAFFIC AND BIKES AND PADS ON THE ROADWAY, THOSE ARE LOCATIONS WHERE WE DO HEAR A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT WELL PEOPLE OFTEN CALL AND THEY JUST SAY THERE'S TOO MUCH TRAFFIC. WHAT IT IS IS SOMETIMES JUST THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH INTERACTION BETWEEN THE VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIANS IN THAT SHARED SPACE. THERE IS A STRONG SENSE OF OWNERSHIP BY OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES. SO WE ARE EVERYBODY HERE LIVES IN BLOOMINGTON AND SOME PEOPLE FEEL VERY POSSESSIVE OF THE SPACE IN FRONT OF THEIR HOME. SO I THINK YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT BUT IT TRULY DOES GET VERY EMOTIONAL FOR SOME PEOPLE. I MEAN THEY TAKE IT VERY, VERY PERSONALLY IF SOMEONE IS PARKED IN FRONT OF THEIR HOME YOU KNOW FOR TOO LONG OR IF THERE'S GARBAGE THAT'S SPILLED. SO I IT'S IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD DEFINITELY WOULD BE A CHANGE FOR PEOPLE TO GET USED TO IF IF THERE WAS A CHANGE IN HOW WE HANDLED PUBLIC ON STREET PARKING STREET PLOWING AND MAINTENANCE SO EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT WHEN THERE'S A SNOW EMERGENCY DECLARED IN THE MEANTIME YOU HAVE TO MOVE YOUR CARS OFF THE STREET UNTIL THE SNOW IS CLEARED CURB TO CURB BUT USUALLY WE ONLY DECLARE SNOW EMERGENCY WHEN THERE'S LIKE THREE INCHES OF SNOW AND THAT HAPPENS YOU KNOW, LIKE 3 TO 4 TIMES A YEAR. WE ON AVERAGE THEY PLOW 25 TIMES A YEAR. SO THAT IS A HUGE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT MAINTENANCE IS OUT THERE TRYING TO MEET THE EXPECTATIONS OF BLOOMINGTON RESIDENTS AND DRIVERS OF HAVING THE ROADS CLEARED PRETTY CURB TO CURB SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE AS WELL. THAT'S LIKE IT'S DEFINITELY AN EXPECTATION AND IT WOULD BE A CHANGE THAT HAVE TO BE IN THE ADJUSTMENT OF EXPECTATIONS. ENFORCEMENT IS SOMETHING THAT IT'S OF COURSE EASIER FOR POLICE WHEN IT'S JUST POSTED AS NO PARKING. I THINK THE NUANCE CAN BE IF ON STREET PARKING IS ALLOWED THEN WE HAVE A RESTRICTION THAT YOU CAN'T LEAVE YOUR CAR PARKED IN THE SAME PLACE FOR MORE THAN 24 HOURS, 24 CONSECUTIVE HOURS AND THAT IS THE INTENTION OF THAT IS THAT THE ROADWAY IS NOT USED FOR STORAGE OF VEHICLES THAT GETS MUCH MORE TRICKY AND TIME INTENSIVE IF POLICE GET CALLED TO ENFORCE THAT. SO THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENT NUANCES WITH ENFORCEMENT AND THEN FIRE AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE. SO IN LOCATIONS WHERE WE DO HAVE WHERE YOU DO HAVE DENSE ON STREET PARKING THE FIRE STARTS TO GET MORE AND MORE CONCERNED AND WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE CLEAR AND OPEN ACCESS TO FRONT FOR THEIR EMERGENCY RESPONSE. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT COME ALONG WITH PUBLIC ON STREET PARKING . NOW KIRK ROBERTS IS GOING TO COME UP AND GO THROUGH THE REST COMMISSIONERS SO I'M LOOKING AT SOME SOME POTENTIAL CHANGES AND THEN THE FIRST QUESTION COMES UP IS WHY IS AS AMY MARONE TALKED ABOUT WE HAVE ENDED UP WITH A LOT OF PARKING RESTRICTIONS AND A LOT OF THOSE FOCUS IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY PARKS, TRAILHEADS AND PUBLIC FACILITIES PARKING IS RESTRICTED AROUND A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE PARKS IN THE CITY TRAILHEADS FOR INSTANCE ALONG THE RIVER VALLEY THERE'S NUMEROUS TRAILHEADS THAT ACTUALLY ARE PRETTY NICE SPOTS TO TO GET DOWN TO THAT WONDERFUL AREA PARKING'S RESTRICTED YOU CAN'T DO THAT UNLESS YOU LIVE THERE THERE ARE NUMEROUS RESTRICTIONS AROUND MULTIFAMILY. THIS IS YOU KNOW TOWNHOMES, APARTMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. THOSE WERE AS MENTIONED VERY WHEN THEY CAME IN THE PARKING WAS JUST AUTOMATICALLY RESTRICTED. THE ROAD IS TYPICALLY WIDE ENOUGH TO HANDLE PARKING BUT WE JUST THAT WAS OUR PRACTICE AT THE TIME THAT WAS THE ESTHETIC AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID. PLACES OF ASSEMBLY THERE ARE NUMEROUS LOCATIONS WHERE PARKING IS RESTRICTED AND PLACES OF ASSEMBLY CAN BE ANYTHING FROM LIKE OUR RELIGIOUS USES COMMUNITY CENTERS THOSE OTHER PLACES JUST WHERE PEOPLE GATHER THERE IS PARKING RESTRICTED AROUND A LOT OF THOSE. MOST OF OUR INDUSTRIAL AREAS HAVE RESTRICTED PARKING SO AS THE LOCAL RURAL WROTE AUTHORITY THE WAY PUBLIC STREETS WORK IS IT IS PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY THE CITY DOESN'T OWN IT. WE MANAGE IT BUT IT'S ACTUALLY DEDICATED TOHE PUBLIC SO WE TRY TO MANAGE IT FOR ITS HIGHEST AND BEST USE. CAN WE MAKE THE MAXIMUM USE OF THIS SPACE TOWARDS THE PUBLIC GOOD? WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THESE RESTRICTIONS YOU KIND OF THINK WELL WE MIGHT NOT BE THERE, WE MIGHT BE MISSING THE TARGET ON SOME OF THESE. AND SO WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE CHANGES TO SEE IF THEY'RE NECESSARY JUST TO MAKE THAT THE BEST AND HIGHEST USE OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. A COUPLE OF THE THE RESTRICTIONS THAT I TALKED ABOUT SO AROUND PARKS WE'RE ON THE CUSP OF SUMMER AND I'M SO HAPPY ABOUT THAT AND WE ALL ARE AND OUR PARKS AND ONE OF THE CENTER POINTS OF THE COMMUNITY HERE THEY SEE A LOT OF A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE THIS TIME OF YEAR AS THE SPORTS THE PARKS AND RECREATION. SO THOSE ARE SPORTING EVENTS AND JUST THE NATURAL FLOW OF LIFE WHEN YOU RESTRICT PARKING AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE HERE IS DRED SCOTT PLAYFIELD THIS IS A REGIONAL FACILITY FOR ALL PROBABLY BEEN THERE THE WONDERFUL BALL FIELDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT PARKING IS RESTRICTED AROUND THE ENTIRE PARK AND VERY TYPICAL AND SO YOU HAVE TO BUILD THESE LARGE PARKING LOTS AROUND IT. THERE'S NO PLACE FOR OVERFLOW. SO WHEN YOU HAVE A VERY LARGE SPORTING EVENT HERE, THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THAT OVERFLOW. THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING IN THE PARK. IT'S NOT USED A LOT OF THE YEAR. IT'S USUALLY SEASONALLY AND SO YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF ASPHALT. THERE'S A SONG ABOUT PAVING PARADISE I WON'T PUT IN YOUR YOUR HEADS BUT IT KIND OF SPEAKS TO THIS SITUATION. AND SO THE OTHER IMPACT OF THIS IS YOU'LL SEE PARKING THE RESTRICTIONS START TO FADE AWAY AS YOU GET FURTHER AWAY FROM THE PARK THE DEMAND DOESN'T FADE. IT'S THERE SO YOU PUSH TRAFFIC FURTHER INTO THOSE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. SO THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT HAPPENS WITH THESE AND OTHER RESTRICTIONS. AND THEN THE WORSE ANOTHER THING IS THAT PEOPLE JUST START TO IMPROVISE AND SO YOU GET PEOPLE PARKING WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T GET IT AFFECTS THE LAND USE TRANSPORTATION BEHAVIOR AS LIZ ALLUDED TO CHANGES OVER TIME AND HAVING A SUPPLY OF OVERFLOW PARKING CAN REALLY KEEP THOSE AREAS VITAL. WHAT I'M SHOWING HERE IS AN AREA WHERE THERE'S MULTIFAMILY AND AN ASSEMBLY USE RIGHT TOGETHER THE MULTIFAMILY HOUSES TAKE SHAPE IS JUST FOR HOLIDAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE'S PROBABLY MORE THAN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF PARKING FOR NORMAL USE FOR THAT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. BUT WHEN YOU GET A HOLIDAY OR YOU JUST HAVE SOMEBODY WITH A REALLY GOOD GET TOGETHER, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PLACES FOR GUESTS TO PARK AND THE PARKING IS RESTRICTED ON THE STREETS. ANOTHER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE IS THE PARKING DEMAND DOESN'T GO AWAY IT JUST FINDS ITS WAY FURTHER INTO THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THIS WAS INTENDED TO KEEP GOOD THE ASSEMBLY USES THIS IS WHERE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT . THESE ARE WHERE OUR LIVES THESE THESE WONDERFUL COMMUNITY GATHERINGS THAT WE HAVE. THIS IS WHERE THEY TAKE PLACE AND SOMETIMES THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE. THIS IS WEDDINGS, THIS IS FUNERALS AND JUST SEASONAL AND HOLIDAY CELEBRATIONS AND SO RESTRICTING PARKING AROUND THOSE ASSEMBLY USES MAKES THEM LESS VIABLE AND IT REALLY IMPACTS THE ABILITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GATHER AND PUSHES IT INTO ADJACENT AREAS. THERE'S ONE OTHER POINT WORTH MENTIONING. WE DO HAVE A PROCESS THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN WHERE WE ALLOW PARKING UPON REQUEST IN AREAS LIKE THIS. SO LET'S SAY THE ASSEMBLY USE WAS GOING TO HAVE A BIG WEDDING FOR A VERY POPULAR PERSON THAT I DON'T KNOW LOTS OF GUESTS THEY CAN REQUEST THAT THE CITY ALLOW PARKING AND IF THERE'S NO SAFETY ISSUES WE DO THAT BUT IT TAKES TIME TO MANAGE THAT. WE ISSUE ABOUT YEAH OVER 200 OF THOSE A YEAR TOO. SO THERE'S THE STAFF TIME INVOLVED THERE. AMY TALKED ABOUT SPEED REDUCTION SO HERE'S A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE TOWARDS THE WESTERLY SIDE OF THE CITY REYNOLDS PARK IT'S WONDERFUL FACILITY OVER THERE. THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PARK IS PRIMARILY MULTIFAMILY PARKING IS COMPLETELY RESTRICTED. THE NORTH SIDE IS SINGLE FAMILY PARKING IS AVAILABLE. WE SEE A MUCH HIGHER HIGHER SPEED ON 84TH STREET WHERE THAT PARKING IS RESTRICTED THAN WE WOULD UP ON 83RD STREET WHERE PARKING IS ALLOWED. SO IT DOES HAVE A SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON TRAFFIC CALMING SPEED LIMIT IS 25 AND I'M SURE YOU ALL ADHERE TO THAT STRICTLY. AND THEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE WHETHER IT'S SPEED LIMITS OR ANY KIND OF ANY OTHER THING PEOPLE JUST START TO DISREGARD THAT AND SO YOU GET THE VIOLATIONS AND SOMETIMES THOSE VIOLATIONS TAKE PLACE IN AREAS WE WOULDN'T WANT PEOPLE TO PARK FOR SAFETY REASONS AND SO WE GET THIS ENFORCEMENT ISSUE AND SO THE POLICE ARE CALLED IN. WE HAVE INTERACTIONS THAT WE DON'T LOVE, DON'T WANT TO SEE AND IT'S ALSO FRANKLY A BIT CHALLENGING FOR THE POLICE. THIS COULD BE SOMEONE'S THAT'S JUST THERE TO WATCH THEIR KID LEARN HOW TO PLAY BASEBALL. THE POLICE DO NOT WANT TO GO AND GIVE THOSE PEOPLE A TICKET . SO THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO THE WAY LISTED WE WANT TO WANT TO GET A GAUGE ON ON WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THINKS ABOUT THIS ON STREET PARKING IS A COMMUNITY DISCUSSION. IT'S NOT THE ONE PERSON GETS TO DECIDE THAT AND BUT IT'S A COMMUNITY BASED DECISION AND WE WANT TO FIND OUT YOU ALL LIVE IN BLOOMINGTON. YOU'VE EXPERIENCED THESE THINGS. WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THIS? IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO ASK YOU TO GIVE YOUR OPINION WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND WHERE WE STAND ON THAT. THE RESTRICTIONS AROUND PARKS WOULD ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO REMOVE THOSE. THERE'S GREAT REASONS TO DO SO AS I MENTIONED AND THE CONSEQUENCES AREN'T AS PROBLEMATIC AS WE MIGHT SEE IN SOME OTHER AREAS. PARKS AREN'T USED IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER GENERALLY WHEN WE HAVE A LOT OF SNOW THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEARED OFF THE ROAD AND SO WE DON'T SEE THOSE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES LIKE WE DO WITH OTHERS AND WE SEE A LOT OF GOOD YOU KNOW, THAT SPEED REDUCTION THAT WE GET AND SO YES, ABSOLUTELY STAFF WOULD WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME CHANGES TO OUR POLICY THAT ALLOWS US TO GET RID OF MOST OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS PLACES OF ASSEMBLY. YES. THIS IS WHERE OUR COMMUNITY GATHERS TO TO MARK THOSE SIGNIFICANT EVENTS AND JUST GET TOGETHER AND DO THE THINGS YOU DO WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND LOVED ONES. REMOVING THOSE RESTRICTIONS IS IS IS WARRANTED. MULTIFAMILY THE RESTRICTIONS THAT DRIVE THE PARKING FURTHER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YES. THOSE SHOULD BE THOSE SHOULD BE REMOVED STAFF WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME LATITUDE TO REMOVE THOSE BEYOND THOSE IT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED AND SO WE WOULD TAKE A MIDDLE OF THE ROAD SORT OF OPINION ON THIS ONE BECAUSE YOU DO SEE TIMES WHERE THAT PARKING THAT TAKES PLACE CAN CAN BE SYSTEMATIC AND PERSISTENT AND CREATE SOME PROBLEMS THAT THEN IMPACT THAT COMMUNITY. AND SO I WOULD THINK WOULD ARGUE FOR A MORE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD THERE GET RID OF THAT GET RID OF THE RESTRICTIONS THAT CREATE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND BE CAREFUL AS WE LOOK AT THE REST OF THOSE. AND SO I THINK THAT'S THAT STAFF'S OPINION. BUT WE ARE MORE INTERESTED IN YOUR OPINION SO WE'RE HERE FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THANK YOU MS.. MAROON AND MR. ROBERTS GREAT PRESENTATION. SO WITH QUESTIONS MARISSA THANK YOU CHAIR FOR INDUSTRIAL OR I MIGHT HAVE MISSED THIS SO SORRY IF I DID BUT FOR INDUSTRIAL OR OTHER WHAT WHAT COULD OTHER BE FIND US ANYTHING THAT'S NOT INDUSTRIAL PLACES YOU KNOW I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE JUST HISTORICAL BASED ON SCHOOL SITES THAT THAT HAVE CLOSED DOWN AND JUST SORT OF MISCELLANEOUS RESTRICTIONS THAT THAT HAVE JUST BEEN SITTING OUT THERE. SO KIND OF WE PUT THOSE ALL INTO ONE BUCKETS. MR. CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY. EXCUSE ME UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY. ANY CHANGE MADE TO DECISIONS RELATED TO THE RIGHT OF WAY I THINK YOU GUYS MENTIONED EARLIER NEEDS TO BE A BALLOT REFERENDUM AS A COMMUNITY BASED DECISION OR I GUESS KIND OF WHAT'S WHAT'S THE ACTION HERE FROM CITY STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON YEAH I'M CHAIR CUNNINGHAM SO THE CURRENT IT'S AN ACTUAL POLICY THAT DRIVES HOW WE HANDLE LOCAL ON STREET PARKING AND REALLY WITHIN THE POLICY RIGHT NOW IF WE WERE TO IF IF STAFF WANTED TO GO AND REMOVE THE PARKING RESTRICTIONS AROUND A PARK WE HAVE TO SURVEY THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND SEE IF THOSE RESIDENTS WANT IT OR NOT. THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE GREATER COMMUNITY BEST INTEREST IN MIND WHEN THEY'RE SENDING BACK THOSE SURVEYS BUT THERE REALLY ISN'T A PROCESS OUTSIDE OF THE CURRENT POLICY. AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS YOU THINK DO YOU THINK THAT THERE IS LIKE ENOUGH INTEREST IN IN MOVING FORWARD WITH POLICY CHANGES THAT WOULD ALLOW THOSE TYPES OF CHANGES TO HAPPEN THAT DON'T REQUIRE LIKE A VOTE FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LADY THANK YOU CHAIR FOR THE REMOVING IN PLACE RESTRICTIONS WOULD OVERNIGHT PARKING RESTRICTIONS REMAIN OR SOME FORM OF OVERNIGHT PARKING RESTRICTIONS REMAIN OR THAT'S ALSO UP FOR DEBATE. YEAH SO I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT'S ALL ON THE TABLE. SO I THINK THE ONE THING I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE THAT WAS WE WERE BEING MINDFUL OF IS THE FACT THAT IF WE REMOVE THE OVERNIGHT PARKING RESTRICTIONS PARTICULARLY IN AREAS THAT ARE CLOSE TO WHERE ONE CAN GET TO THE AIRPORT, I THINK THAT WE WOULD REALLY RUN THE RISK OF PEOPLE I LIVED IN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO BY MIDWAY AIRPORT AND THAT WAS AN ENORMOUS PROBLEM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS PEOPLE WOULD CIRCUMVENT HAVING TO PAY FOR PARKING BY PARKING ON THE STREET TO THEN TAKE THE SUBWAY OR THE EL TO GET TO THE AIRPORT AND IT WAS A LOT OF WORK TO GET THAT UNDONE. SO I THINK WE'D WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. SO TO COMMISSIONER, TO BE CLEAR, WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A CITYWIDE OVERNIGHT PARKING RESTRICTION. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO EXPLORE OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LOCATIONS WHERE THAT MAY ALREADY BE SPECIFICALLY IN PLACE THAT MAY WE WOULD WANT TO EXPLORE IF I THINK WHAT I WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS IS THAT PLACES FOR EXAMPLE PARKS WHERE NO ONE IS THERE OVERNIGHT PEOPLE CAN IT'S MUCH EASIER FOR THEM TO FEEL IT'S A PUBLIC SPACE AND THEY CAN PARK OVERNIGHT THERE FOR SEVEN DAYS STRAIGHT AND LEAVE THEIR CAR THERE MUCH LESS LIKELY TO DO THAT IN FRONT OF SOMEONE'S HOUSE WHERE THEY KNOW SOMEONE HAS PAIN. YOU KNOW, I SO I JUST THINK BEING MINDFUL THAT PARTICULARLY IN AREAS THAT ARE NOT RESIDENTIAL AREAS ARE NOT IN FRONT OF SCHOOLS THAT PEOPLE CAN VERY QUICKLY VIEW THAT AS TRULY PUBLIC PARKING AT ALL TIMES IF THERE ARE ZERO PARKING RESTRICTIONS PARTICULARLY IN THE OVERNIGHT SPACE. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT. SO THE ONLY RESTRICTION NOW IS THAT YOU CANNOT LEAVE YOUR VEHICLE MORE THAN 24 HOURS UNATTENDED AND SO THERE IS THAT RESTRICTION IN PLACE AND SO YOU CAN'T FLY TO SOME FAR REMOTE LOCATION, LEAVE YOUR CAR THERE. BUT YOU'VE RAISED THE GOOD POINT IN A PLACE LIKE SOME OF THE SOUTH LOOP AREA WHERE YOU COULD PARK YOUR CAR, HOP ON THE LIGHT RAIL, HEAD OVER TO THE AIRPORT, FLY OUT TO SOME NICE LIGHT THAT THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE ANSSUE. SO YEAH, APPRECIATE THAT COMMISSIONER. SURE. MR.. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM'S QUESTION, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU SAY POLICY CHANGE, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AN ORDINANCE OF THE COUNCIL TO SAY THIS SHALL BE OUR POLICY GOING FORWARD OR IS IT SOME OTHER MECHANISM CURRENT SO POLICIES ARE COUNCIL ADOPTED AND THEN THEY THEY GUIDE THE THE PRACTICE ON HOW WE YOU KNOW, MOVE THINGS FORWARD SO THERE WOULD BE SOME LIKELY BE SOME ORDINANCE CHANGES THAT GO ALONG WITH THIS BUT THE THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T REFERENCE THE POLICY NECESSARILY BUT THE THE POLICY ONCE IT'S APPROVED IT'S A PUBLIC DOCUMENT AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE THAT'S LIKE THE FRAMEWORK THAT WE WORK UNDER. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT SNOW STORAGE AND TRY TO PUT THE POSITIVE SPIN ON THIS WHEN COMPARED TO MINNEAPOLIS AND ST PAUL, WHY IS BLOOMINGTON SO MUCH BETTER AT PLOWING? WHY WHY ARE OUR URBAN STREETS SO MUCH EASIER TO NAVIGATE THEN MINNEAPOLIS AND ST PAUL DURING THE WINTER? IS IT BECAUSE OUR STREETS ARE BIGGER? IS IT BECAUSE WE SPEND MORE MONEY ON IT? IS IT BECAUSE WE HAVE BETTER PLOW DRIVERS? WHY? WHY ARE OUR STREETS BETTER COMMISSIONED OR COOKED IN? I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN FULLY ANSWER THAT BECAUSE I DON'T SPEAK FOR ALL THE PUBLIC WORKS BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE HAS BEEN A HIGH VALUE PLACED ON SNOW REMOVAL AND SO THE COUNCIL HAS GIVEN THEM A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, ADEQUATE MONEY FOR GOOD EQUIPMENT AND STAFF TO DO MULTIPLE PLOWS SO THEY IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE OUT THERE JUST HITTING ONE. YOU KNOW, WHEN THE SNOW FALLS THEY DON'T JUST LIKE MAKE ONE PASS THROUGH LIKE THERE'S A LEVEL OF STANDARD CURRENTLY WHERE THEY WILL GO BACK IF THEY KNOW THAT CARS WERE PARKED AND THAT THEY NEED TO COME BACK AND CLEAN UP IN AN AREA. SO I WOULD I WOULD GUESS THAT THE LOW DEMAND FOR PUBLIC ON STREET PARKING IN THE WINTER KIND OF HELPS WITH THAT EFFORT OF TRYING TO GO TO BARE PAVEMENT AND CURB TO CURB PAVING. BUT OTHER THAN THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET NUMBERS ARE OR ANY OF THOSE SPECIFICS . THANK YOU. MR. SUMMERS THANK YOU, CHAIR SO YOU MENTIONED AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT THE SIDEWALKS SO IF THERE'S PARKING ON BOTH SIDES AND KIDS ON BIKES, PEOPLE WALKING AND TRAFFIC THAT THAT'S EVEN WITH SOME OF OUR REALLY WIDE STREETS THAT'S A LOT ON THE ROAD WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT I WHEN I LOOK AT THIS I'M LIKE YEAH I'M PRETTY IN FAVOR OF PARKS, TRAILHEADS PUBLIC FACILITIES, MULTIFAMILY UNITS BEING ABLE TO HAVE PEOPLE COME VISIT AND IS THERE HAS THERE BEEN THOUGHT TO MAYBE DOING ONE SIDE OF THE STREET WITH PARKING INSTEAD OF BOTH IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS WITHOUT SIDEWALKS COMMISSIONERS AND I THINK THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A CONSIDERATION. SO WE'RE NOT ASKING TONIGHT LIKE SHOULD WE JUST OPEN UP PARKING EVERYWHERE? WE'RE WE'RE ASKING DO YOU THINK THERE'S AN APPETITE BECAUSE SOME OF YOU HAVE SEEN LIKE HOW DEPTH THE PROCESS IS WHEN PARKING CONCERNS DO COME UP AND DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT THESE CHANGES WILL ALL BE EASY. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO LIKE SEE IS THERE IS THERE AN APPETITE DO YOU THINK THAT THAT THERE IS STRONG ENOUGH INTEREST AND KIND OF WILLPOWER TO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS? BUT WE'RE NOT NOT NECESSARILY SAYING IT WOULD BE ON BOTH SIDES WOULD BE NO RESTRICTIONS INVOLVED AT ALL BUT JUST IS THERE AN APPETITE TO MOVE TOWARDS MORE AVAILABILITY AND AND MODIFYING THE POLICY TO PROVIDE MORE OPPORTUNITIES? OKAY . I'LL JUMP IN A LITTLE BIT WITH SOME THOUGHTS. I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS SORT OF IN LINE WITH OUR LAST DISCUSSION. YEAH, I LIKE THE IDEA AND A LOT OF THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT WERE POINTED OUT I THINK ARE TOTALLY UNINTENDED AND THINGS WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIX AND NOT BEING ABLE TO STREET PARK AROUND PARKS TERRIBLE NOT BEING AROUND PLACES OF ASSEMBLY TERRIBLE RIGHT LIKE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO FIX SOME THINGS THAT AREN'T GREAT AND SO I'M PRETTY BULLISH ON BEING ABLE TO PARK ON THE STREET MORE AND I'M CERTAINLY HAVE AN APPETITE FOR ALLOWING THE LOOSENING OF RESTRICTIONS. MY MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS I SAID YOU KNOW I SAID IN THE LAST APPLICATION THAT OVER TIME WE'RE GOING TO START TO LOOK MORE LIKE OUR TWO TWIN CITIES. THE THING I REALLY DON'T LIKE ABOUT OUR TWO TWIN CITIES IS NAVIGATING THEIR STREETS IN THE WINTER. MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I DRIVE A TINY CAR BUT I REALLY STRUGGLE TO DRIVE IN THAT IN MINNEAPOLIS AND ST PAUL PROPER DURING THIS DURING THE WINTER THEY THEY DON'T PLAY WELL AND INTERSECTIONS ARE TOUGH TO NAVIGATE AND I, I WORRY ABOUT IT AND I DON'T WANT US TO TURN INTO THAT AND SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE'RE BETTER BECAUSE WE HAVE BETTER STAFF AND WE CARE MORE AND THAT WE'RE JUST BETTER AT IT AND THAT IT'S NOT AN INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEM BUT I'M SURE IT'S LIKE ANYTHING A MIXTURE OF ALL THOSE THINGS AND SO I DON'T WANT US TO BE SO AGGRESSIVE WHERE WE CAN'T PAY OUR STREETS ANYMORE. THAT IS TOO FAR FOR ME. I VALUE US HAVING CLEAN STREETS BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ROOM TO NUDGE FORWARD BEFORE WE YOU KNOW I'M SAYING THIS OUT OF OF YOU KNOW AS NOT AN EXPERT BUT I SUSPECT WE HAVE A LONG WAY WE COULD GO BEFORE WE START MAKING OUR STREETS AS HARD TO NAVIGATE AS IT IS IN THE TWO TWIN CITIES DURING THE WINTER. COMMISSIONER MOSTER THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WOULD SAY THAT AS A STARTING POINT IN ANY POLICY WE HAVE TO REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT YOU ALL SAID THAT THESE ARE OWNED BY THE PUBLIC. THE DEFAULT REALLY SHOULD BE HOW CAN THE PUBLIC USE THEM AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY FREE FOR ALL PARK WHEREVER YOU WANT BUT AS A STARTING POINT PARTICULARLY AROUND THINGS LIKE PARKS AND TRAILHEADS AND PUBLIC FACILITIES I'M SURE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM A PARK LOVE THAT THERE'S NO PARKING IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE BUT TOO BAD YOU LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM A PARK. IT'S THE PARK IS OWNED BY EVERYONE. THE STREET IS OWNED BY EVERYONE. EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO BE THERE. IT'S NOT YOURS. SO JUST AS A STARTING POINT THAT'S I THINK WHERE ANY REVISION NEEDS TO BE. MR. CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU CHAIR . I AGREE WITH YOUR SENTIMENT. WE ALL ON THE RIGHT OF WAY WE ALL ON THE PUBLIC PROPERTY OF THE CITY EVEN IF A SHIRT SAYS PUBLIC LAND OWNER ON IT BUT TO KIND OF TAKE THE CHAIR'S COMMENTS COMMISSIONER MUNSTER'S COMMENTS ON THIS MY THOUGHT IS IS PERHAPS INSTEAD OF ALLOWING FREE FOR ALL PARKING THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES I WORK IN EXCELSIOR AND THEY HAVE AN ORDINANCE WHERE ALL THE SIGNS SAY NO PARKING. I THINK IT'S LIKE 1 A.M. TO 6 A.M. SO THAT MIGHT ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PLOWING CONCERNS BECAUSE THEN THERE'S A STATED NO PARKING TIME OR IF A CAR IS THERE AT A CERTAIN TIME COULD GET A TICKET. OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO BURDEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH GIVING OUT PARKING TICKETS BUT IT ALLOWS A CHURN OF MOVEMENT OF CARS PARKED IN THESE AAS. ONE THING I REALLY WANT TO STRESS AND I'M FLIPPING BACK ON MY NOTES FROM LAST JULY AND AUGUST ALMOST EVERY PERSON THAT SPOKE OUT AGAINST THE WITH THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER HAD A CONCERN ABOUT THE PARKING ON NEWTON AVENUE. AND SO EVERY TIME YOU'RE UP HERE, KIRK I SEEM TO ALWAYS QUOTE YOU SAYING LIKE PARKING IN TRAFFIC IS AN EMOTIONAL SCIENCE AND SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THAT SINCE THAT'S TOP OF MIND FOR ME STILL IS WE HAD A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT ON THAT AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT UNDER A YEAR LATER WE'RE NOT UNDUE OR NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THEIR CONCERNS. I KNOW THERE'S NO PARKING SIGNS ON NEWTON AVENUE NOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. WAIT. LOOK, I SAW YOU MOTIONING THERE OKAY? PLEASE NO THANK YOU. CHAIR YET GENERALLY I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT APPROACH TO START WITH SOME OF THE PLACES THAT THAT LOGICALLY MAKE SENSE I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE. I CAN'T PARK IN FRONT OF MY OWN HOUSE FROM 1 A.M. TO 6 A.M. I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE THAT KIND OF A THING IMPLEMENTED BUT FOR PLACES WHERE IT'S A PARK OR YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT AIRPORT TRAFFIC I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF A LOT OF REASONS TO TO EXAMINE THAT AND I THINK THE THIS LIST THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS A GREAT PLACE TO START WITH CONSIDERING THAT I ALSO THINK THAT WE REVISITING THAT 2013 REQUIREMENT PROBABLY POLICY FOR BASICALLY A A VOTE ON BEFORE ANYTHING CAN BE CHANGED IS PROBABLY ALSO WORTH REVISITING AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS FORWARD. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. WAIT COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM I'D LIKE TO REPLY TO YOUR ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND IT'S NOT TO DISAGREE WITH YOU BUT I THINK IS TO ROUND OUT THE CONVERSATION AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ONE OF THE I, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE A PLANNING COMMISSION IS THAT WE SEE THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AND IF IF YOU'RE A PLANNING COMMISSION SUPERFAN LIKE I WAS AND STILL IN YOU'LL KNOW THAT THE LION'S SHARE OF THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK WE GET IS AGAINST AN APPLICATION AND WE GET FEEDBACK SOMETIMES WHERE TAKE ANY APPLICATION WELL FIVE PEOPLE TESTIFIED AND ALL FIVE OF THEM WERE AGAINST THE APPLICATION. HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY APPROVE THIS APPLICATION? WELL OUR RESPONSE TO THAT IS THAT IT'S NOT THAT WE DIDN'T HEAR YOU AND IT'S NOT THAT WE DIDN'T APPRECIATE YOUR TESTIMONY BECAUSE WE DO A LOT BUT IS THAT WE STILL HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THE LENS OF THE ENTIRE CITY. AND ONE THING I'M CERTAIN OF AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER IS THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE IN SUPPORT OF SOMETHING DO NOT TESTIFY AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. ONLY SOMEONE WHO HAS EMOTIONALLY CHARGED AGAINST AN APPLICATION IS IS GOING TO COME ALL THE WAY TO CITY HALL AND TESTIFY. IF YOU DON'T CARE OR LIKE SOMETHING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO COME HERE. AND SO MY POINT WITH THAT IS THE ALTHOUGH WE DO HEAR QUITE FREQUENTLY THAT I DON'T WANT PARKING HERE OR WE NEED TO RESTRICT PARKING OR THERE'S TOO MUCH PARKING OR WHATEVER, I THINK OUR ROLE AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO HAVE THE LENS OF THAT'S A VERY FOCUSED FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GETTING AND AGAIN APPRECIATE IT AND WANT TO KEEP HAVING PEOPLE HERE COME TO CITY HALL. BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T TESTIFYING, THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BENEFIT BY THIS BUT AREN'T CONVINCED ENOUGH TO COME HERE. AND SO I DO THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE HERE IS TO PROVIDE THE VOICE OF ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS AND NOT ALWAYS JUST THE ONES WHO LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM A PARTICULAR APPLICATION. MR. CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU FOR THOSE WORDS. I ALMOST 100% AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE REASON I BROUGHT UP THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER IS BECAUSE I BELIEVE AND MAYBE PLANNING MANAGER JOHNSON CAN HELP ME WITH THIS WE WERE UNDER THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND IT WAS A VARIANCE REQUEST AND SO ONE OF THE CONCERNS I RAISED WAS OKAY WELL IF IF I'M GOING TO PARK IN THE BACK PART OF THIS PARKING LOT OR IF I CAN PARK ON NEWTON AVENUE AND BE 300FT CLOSER, I'M GOING TO PARK ON NEWTON AVENUE. BUT YES, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THE PURPOSE OF KIND OF OUR COMMISSION AND LOOKING AT THE BROAD PICTURE IN MY PROFESSIONAL LIFE I COME TO A LOT OF THESE IN OTHER CITIES AND IT'S NEVER POSITIVE. THANKS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SILVERS THANK YOU CHAIR. I THINK THAT THIS QUESTION IS FOR PLANNING MANAGER JOHNSON BUT I MAYBE IS FOR SOMEONE ELSE AND I JUST DON'T KNOW ENOUGH. I'M WONDERING ABOUT HOW CHANGES TO THIS POLICY MIGHT IMPAIR FACT THE CONVERSATION THAT CAME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON WORK VEHICLES TRUCKS AND TRAILERS IS THERE AN INTERACTION THAT YOU COULD SEE OR ARE THEY YEAH, SURE COOKED IN COMMISSIONER SUMMERS. SO RIGHT NOW COMMERCIAL VEHICLES ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE PARKED ON THE STREET. THERE'S A VARIETY OF REASONS FOR THAT THAT HAVE TO DO WITH KIND OF ENFORCEMENT AND SAFETY TYPE REASONS. BUT I DON'T WHILE THERE CERTAINLY IS SOME CONNECTIVE TISSUE BETWEEN THAT POLICY DECISION THAT THE CITY MADE AND THIS DISCUSSION, I THINK YOU SHOULD BE THINKING MORE BROADLY JUST ABOUT TYPICAL PASSENGER AUTOMOBILES COMMERCIAL VEHICLES ARE PROHIBITED TO BE PARKED ON THE STREET. GREAT, GREAT COMMENT. COMMISSIONER SOWERS. COMMISSIONER MUNSTER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT CERTAINLY I DON'T MEAN FOR A PARKING FREE FOR ALL BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A HEAVY RELIANCE ON IT NOT TO PUT MORE WORK ON ALREADY OVERWORKED STAFF BUT ON YOU GUYS TO DECIDE WHERE PARKING SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED THAT THE SCIENCE CAN DICTATE THAT AGAIN IF IT'S ONE SIDE OF THE STREET IT'S ONE SIDE OF THE STREET IF IT'S YOU KNOW SOME OTHER CONFIGURATION SHOULD IF IT'S NOT WITHIN YOU KNOW, 40FT OF A CHURCH, WHATEVER IT IS, THERE NEEDS TO BE A LOT MORE OF A DEFERRAL TO YOU ALL AND WHAT IS BEST FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT THAN SORT OF AN ARBITRARY DECISION THAT THERE SHALL NOT BE PARKING HERE OR THERE. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. MR.. MR.. SUMMERS THANK YOU, CHAIR. IF OVER TIME THERE ARE MORE CARS ON THE STREET, DOES THAT IMPACT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THE STREET HAS LESS OR DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT YOU'RE YOU'RE SO CHAIR COOKED IN MR. SUMMERS I THINK WHAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IS JUST THATHERE'S A PAVEMENT WHERE OUT QUICKER AND THINGS LIKE THAT GENERALLY NO PAVEMENT CONDITION IS MUCH MORE A FUNCTION OF THOSE HEAVIER VEHICLES AND THE CITY ENGINEERS BEHIND ME AND SHE CAN COME UP AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS BUT YEAH GENERALLY THEY WOULDN'T WEAR OUT THE PAVEMENT ANY FASTER WHETHER THEY'RE PARKED THERE OR NOT. YEAH. SO ASSUMING ALL THE MAINTENANCE CAN BE FORMED BE PERFORMED AS IT WOULD BE ON A NORMAL ROAD SO YEAH WELL THERE IS A QUESTION BEFORE US AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING CLEAR TO OUR STAFF WHO HAVE GIVEN THEIR TIME TO US THIS EVENING. SO THE QUESTION BEFORE US IS SHOULD WE MAINTAIN STATUS QUO OR DO WE SUPPORT THE REVISION OF THE PARKING POLICY IN A WAY THAT WOULD START REMOVING IN PLACE RESTRICTIONS? COMMISSIONER AND I SO I THANK YOU CHAIR I FULLY SUPPORT A REVISION OF THE PARKING POLICY I THINK THAT I'VE AT LEAST IN MY CASE I'VE OVER ARTICULATED MY CONCERNS BUT YEAH IN GENERAL VERY SUPPORTIVE OF REVISION AND CONSIDERING WHAT BLOOMINGTON NEEDS GOING FORWARD AS AM I. I SAW SOME THUMBS UP FROM COMMISSIONER WHITE COMMISSIONER PUTTING HIS HANDS UP AND SEEING A LOT OF THUMBS UP HERE. SO I THINK WE HAVE GENERAL SUPPORT FOR THAT. >> IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU? THAT IS. THANKOU. THAT WAS REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION. WE BOTH TOOK NOTES AND IT WILL HELP US GUIDE MOVING FORWARD SO WE ARE IN THE PHASE RIGHT NOW GAUGING POLICY LEVEL INTEREST. SO WE'RE ALSO GOING TO HAVE A SIMILAR DISCUSSION CITY COUNCIL STUDY DISCUSSION AT THE END OF THIS MONTH AND THEN WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM YOU SO FAR AND PROBABLY OR WHAT WE ANTICIPATE HEARING FROM THE COUNCIL AS WELL BUT WE'LL WAIT AND SEE. WE'LL PROBABLY BE WORKING ON SOME DRAFT POLICY CHANGES ACCOMPANYING CITY CODE REVISIONS AND WE WILL PLAN TO REVISIT YOU LATER THIS SUMMER. GREAT. THANK YOU. MS. ROWLAND THANK YOU. MR. ROBERTS THIS ALONG WITH ITEM NUMBER TWO IS GOING TO BE A STUDY ITEM BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL ON MAY 4TH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THEN TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR WHICH IS THE CONSIDERATION OF THE DRAFT PLANNING MEETING SYNOPSIS FROM APRIL 2ND WE HAD ONE ABSENCE THAT EVENING. COMMISSIONER MUNSTER IS THERE A MOTION? MR. CUNNINGHAM I MOVE TO ADOPT THE JUST THE APRIL 2ND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM WE ALSO HAVE MARCH 19TH IN WHICH I BELIEVE EVERYONE WAS IN ATTENDANCE. I'LL START WITH MARCH 19TH. I MOVED TO ADOPT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SYNOPSIS FOR MARCH 19TH 2026 AS STATED IN THE AGENDA PACKET. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE MARCH 19TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SYNOPSIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES 70I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION FOR APRIL 2ND. >> COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM I MOVE TO APPROVE MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SYNOPSIS FOR APRIL 2ND 2026 AS STATED IN THE AGENDA PACKET IS THERE A SECOND HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND FOR THE APRIL 2ND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SYNOPSIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I OPPOSED ABSTAINED THAT MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO WITH ONE ABSTENTION FROM COMMISSIONER MUNSTER. MOVE ON TO OUR FINAL ITEM WHICH IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION POLICIES AND ISSUES UPDATE MR. JOHNSON THANK YOU CHAIR KIRKTON PREVIEWING YOUR NEXT TWO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS ON APRIL THE 23RD THERE'S TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED REZONING OF A30 OLD CEDAR AVENUE SOUTH. IT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING SITE FROM EVERY TWO TO B ONE TO PAVE THE WAY FOR A POTENTIAL RETAIL TENANT. SECOND PUBLIC HEARING AS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR HEAVY EQUIPMENT SALES AT 9545 PENN AVENUE SOUTH PREVIEWING THE MAY 7TH MEETING THERE ARE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS SCHEDULED ONE IS A VARIANCE FOR A FREESTANDING SIGN AT SOUTHTOWN AT 78 OR 3 PENN AVENUE. THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING IS FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLANS AND PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT TYPE THREE PLAT FOR DETACHED TOWNHOME AT THREE SITES AT THE SOUTH END OF BLOOMINGTON FERRY ROAD UTILIZING THE NEW MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING PROVISIONS THAT'S AT 111401128 AND 11216 BLOOMINGTON FERRY ROAD AND THEN THIRD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A REZONING PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR GALLERY APARTMENTS TWO PHASES AT 7900 XERXES AVENUE SOUTH THAT'S THE EAST SITE OF THE WELLS FARGO TOWER PROPERTY I THINK IT'S 360 TOTAL UNITS IN TWO PHASES ON THAT SITE. OTHER UPDATES I HAVE FOR YOU THE BLOOMINGTON HOME FAIR IS HERE AT CIVIC PLAZA ON APRIL THE 25TH SATURDAY FROM 10 A.M. TO 3 P.M.. SO IF YOU'RE A PLANNING COMMISSION SUPER FAN AND WANT TO MEET SOME OF US IN PERSON OR ACTUALLY HAVE SUBSTANTIVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IMPROVING YOUR HOME OR YOUR PROPERTY, YOU CAN MEET US HERE AT BLOOMINGTON CIVIC PLAZA FROM 10 A.M. TO 3 P.M.. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE TABLING FOR THE 2050 COMP PLAN SOME INITIAL AND EARLY TABLING OPPORTUNITIES AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THERE FOR THE COMPLINE. SECOND UPDATE YOU MIGHT NOTICE SOME SUBTLE CHANGES TO OUR PACKETS FOLLOWING THE MAY 7TH PLANNING COMMISSION PACKET. I SPOKE ABOUT THIS SOME ON OUR CITY WEBSITE. IT HAS TO DO WITH ADA COMPLIANCE SO IF YOU NOTICE ANY CHANGES THAT MIGHT BE TIED TO THE CITY GETTING IN COMPLIANCE WITH ADA REQUIREMENTS THERE ARE TWO TECHNICALLY TWO OPENINGS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE NEXT APPLICATION WINDOW THAT APPLICATION WINDOWS OPEN THROUGH MAY THE 6TH. WE HAVE ONE SITTING MEMBER WHOSE TERM IS ENDING AND CHAIR COOKSON'S SECOND AND FINAL TERM IS COMING TO AN END THIS YEAR SO WE'LL FIGURE OUT A PROPER WAY TO CELEBRATE THAT. BUT IF YOU KNOW OR WANT TO SHARE WITH CONTACTS OR SHARE WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS YOU KNOW WE'RE INTERESTED IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THERE IS AN OPEN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THAT AND SHARING THAT FOR THE PUBLIC. OF COURSE. FINALLY, ONE THING THAT THAT CAME UP I WON'T MENTION SPECIFIC ITEMS OR APPLICATIONS BUT WE KNOW SOMETIMES THERE'S QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT KIND OF THE SEQUENCE OR THE PHASING OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WHY IS THE CAKE NOT FULLY BAKED IN EVERY SINGLE DETAIL WHEN IT'S BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL AND ALL THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE COME UP FROM THE PUBLIC BEFORE. SO ONE ITEM BEFORE WE WENT INTO THE EFFORT TO PUTTING IT TOGETHER FOR YOU ALL WE WANTED TO CHECK AND SEE IF THIS WAS OF INTEREST TO YOU TO PROVIDE MORE OF AN EDUCATIONAL STUDY ITEM ABOUT ALL OF THE PHASES OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW THAT ARE PERFORMED BY THE CITY. WHAT IS THE ACTUAL PROCESS LOOK LIKE FROM POINT A ALL THE WAY TO POINT C? SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO YOU IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT WOULD HELP IN KIND OF NAVIGATING QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHERE YOUR ROLE PLAY IS OR WHAT IN TERMS OF THAT SEQUENCE AND WHATNOT, THAT'S FEEDBACK THAT WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO TAKE AND COULD PREPARE A FUTURE STUDY ITEM FOR THAT. THANK YOU. MR. JOHNSON COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM. THANK YOU. MR. JOHNSON JUST TO ADDRESS YOUR LAST KIND OF OPEN ENDED QUESTION, I THINK IT WOULD BE IMMENSELY VALUABLE FOR NOT JUST US BUT MAYBE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WEBSITE PAGE ON THE BLOOMINGTON DOT OR BLOOMINGTON . AMANDA GOV JUST SO THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND WITHOUT CRACKING OPEN THE CITY CODE BOOKS ON HOW THINGS PROGRESSED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. MR. WHITE THANK YOU CHAIR YES. ALSO IN REGARDS TO THE POTENTIAL PRESENTATION I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. TWO THINGS I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST ON A NIGHT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO WAIT UNTIL NEW COMMISSIONERS WOULD BE SEATED LATER THIS SUMMER IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO PARTICIPATE AS WELL. >> THANKS FOR THE FEEDBACK I WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT SAME RECOMMENDATION FOR SURE. WAIT YEAH LET'S LET'S GIVE YOU A GREAT FIRST ITEM WHEN WE ON BOARD 1 OR 2 NEW COMMISSIONERS ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOU, MR. JOHNSON? >> I DO NOT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOOD FEEDBACK. THANK YOU. AND CAN JUST TO BE CLEAR HOW DO YOU APPLY FOR THIS NEW AND OPEN PLANNING COMMISSION OPPORTUNITY FOR TWO SEATS? GOOD QUESTION. THERE IS A THERE ARE SEVERAL AREAS ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE IF YOU JUST SEARCH PLANNING COMMISSION THAT SHOULD GET YOU THERE. BUT THERE IS IF YOU CLICK ON THE TAB OF GOVERNMENTAL ADVISORY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IT'S RIGHT ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THAT ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE THAT ALLOW YOU TO FORM SUBMIT THAT APPLICATION. I BELIEVE THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER OPENINGS OPENINGS ON A COUPLE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS RIGHT NOW TOO. SO YEAH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF WAYS AND IF NOTHING ELSE YOU CAN CONTACT THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING DIVISION AT OUR PHONE NUMBER OR EMAIL AS WELL WHICH IS ALSO ON THE WEBSITE AND WE CAN DIRECT YOU AND IF FOLKS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ROLES OR RESPONSIBILITIES HERE, HAPPY TO CHAT THROUGH THAT WITH THEM. I AM VERY WELL THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO BRING UP ANYTHING THAT WAS NOT ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY TOPICS OF INTEREST? SEEING NONE. THAT CONCLUDES OUR APRIL 16TH MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION. >> GOOD NIGHT