welcome to the maen city council meeting for Tuesday July 9th it's 6:04 and we're in maen council chambers can you rise for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all all right we got our agenda do we have any amendments no okay oh actually we have uh we did received the oral Police Department reports so I guess you could put that under um the agenda or just as a visitor whatever you prefer what is put him right after we'll just do it right away before comment okay so are we so we'll amend it to make a number four and push or to make it number five and push everything down yeah okay so we got our uh agenda with that amendment can I get a motion to approve it so moved okay and can I get a second second should did you need a second can you turn the speaker on if you can he's upstairs uh you got a second I'll second okay any other discussion all those in favor please say I I I those oppos all right that passes then we got consent agenda do someone want to go through those I can do that um consent agenda I'll just go items a through F A approve payment of claims B approve minutes from the June 28th Workshop special workshop and June 25th regular meeting C approve resolution approving the appointment of election election judges D approve resolution approving public gathering permit for bash Clash fish Lake contest on lake minona and Surfside Park on Friday August 23rd e uh Cony Road 15 Dakota Regional Trail Crossing Cooperative agreement F pay request number two in the amount of $ 26879 to Blackstone contractors for Public Works project 24-10 all right I got the consent agenda does anybody want to talk about those all right hearing n can I get a motion to approve the consent agenda I make a motion to approve the consent agenda all right got a motion can I get a second second okay roll call please council member Larson hi council member m hi council member Pew hi council member castalano hi mayor Hol hi all right that All Passes all right uh we got the orinal police here do you want to come up welcome [Music] hi uh so I got our briefings from the last uh the runs that I got from our secretaries was from June 1st through the uh 30th um nothing again nothing really has shown up that has had any uptick uh we've had juvenile problems with our DWI or Medicals motor vehicle accidents animal bites animals at large and some domestic and damage to properties that we've handled through the month of June um as for the instance uh Centerview Beach we just I just wanted to run some numbers they haven't really changed we had 24 uh calls for service down there uh mostly being our uh men and women checking the beach uh and continuing to monitor any issues that may approve it shows that we've kind of had been on top of it pretty well we've had some uh jet SE companies come down we talked to him we've issued or ushered them out of there as uh asked to do so um but other than that it's been mostly their spot checkings and are directly controls by um our staff so that's been kind of at a leveled off um over the 4th of July weekend in the mound area we' had like n we had 19 calls for service um it wasn't overly busy but uh they had enough to keep themselves going all night and all day uh it was most mostly again parking complaints animal complaints civil matters domestic uh mental health issues and some Medicals that we um attended to for the uh over the Fourth of July weekend Surf Side again same thing nothing is uptick there we've had a a few vehicles um I just listening to the men and women they kind of are showing some frustration where they're going down there and they're actually issuing a ticket because there's one vehicle out of all those cars parked there that has a trailer on it and they're just they're they want to know why that people can't figure that out if you're the only one in there why aren't you figuring that out so they're getting a little frustrated because they check it often check it regularly and next time you turn around there's a vehicle there so it's it's it's just one of those things and we'll stay on it and it's just one we'll just have to keep watching it and taking care of it as it pops up so and then our CSO has finished his uh June detail he is done now as of uh June 25th I think he was his last day down there so um and he said the whole time it's been pretty uneventful um there's been a few things but it's just been a matter of redirecting people and re-educating people on some stuff so um other than that uh mostly Orno has been we've been working hard on monitor monitoring issues that we see could be a big problem in the future I the um Construction in the area uh we're constantly monitoring that and trying to make sure everybody is uh obeying the detours and are not finding back streets to cut through to get out so the guys are trying to stay on that uh as you guys may know Orno does have a bike Patrol unit um one of the uh things I've seen just going through our reports and stuff is our motor our theft for Motor Vehicles at night have gone down and solely I want to think it's because these bikes Patrol guys are out in our neighborhoods constantly at night I know I have two bike Patrol officers on my shift and they are um and when the dark comes they get on the bikes and they go rolling through neighborhoods and um checking uh areas just to make sure people are out rolling around checking doors on cars that are parked on the streets and then they do a lot the guys that aren't bike patroled they have been doing a lot of door checking at night and finding finding a few open businesses that forgot to lock their doors and we get that secured so you know if there's one thing that you know you can stress the communties check your doors make sure they're locked but we found them and then the day shift uh sergeants have told me that we are kind of in an uptick of internet scams so we've been dealing with a few of them the last couple days they've kind of seemed to uptick so just people need to be careful when they go online there what people are requesting what information and uh and if they're asking for money be sure to double check that okay any questions does council have any questions I know no I know can you thank your the CSO officer because I know that he had some a lot of contact with people initially which I think really helped keep the problems at Bay which is what we kind of assumed after yep a couple of weekends with his presence it probably would make a difference and it did I believe it did too yeah yeah thank all right I will thank you thank you appreciate all right number five I guess that's now six uh comments and suggestions from anyone that's uh their item is not on the agenda want to come up your name and address Jason zatler I am at 2345 Commerce Boulevard I ear the commercial building by Our Lady of the Lake most of you know me on the council um and in the audience but the long of the short I've got just a couple of quick items um right outside my office there used to be the crosswalk sign Jesse and I already talked about this a little bit but someone actually tripped the other day um it's what they ended up doing is the sign broke off they pounded in with with concrete screws and they drilled like a cap and they put the sign down well that sign blew down sometime around April or May Ryan I think or one of the guys picked it up and it hasn't been put up since it's a tripping Hazard and I'm an insurance agent and I can tell you full well as well as Scott can too um that needs to be remedied pretty quickly someone's going to get hurt and they're going to break their arm or something along that lines so that's the first item um the other item that I have is this was a little while back and I want to say it was right around May Ryan can attest to this one of the guys came down and said hey your water seems to be running we have a basement very large basement nobody's in that basement we used to have a tenant there um normally they would keep an eye on had change filters that kind of stuff we had all of our uh uh like our main line replaced when we had the sewer breake out front of our office that all got replaced and um supposedly according to our guy that came in and re installed our water softener because we didn't have one prior to that um it clogged our water softener so it just started running constantly um didn't know about it had no idea we ran up a $500 bill um to give you some perspective $500 is half the year of my nearly half the year of my whole office building so my question is and I didn't bring the bill with me tonight but would like to know if the city council would entertain um you know a a partial refund or something meet me in the middle or you know what I normally get paid pay about $89 90 a month and get me the refund for the rest I had no idea what was going on and it was all stuff that was coming from this the the water line that came through and you should have seen I I told him to save some but he didn't but this stuff was so black I mean it was as black as this microphone uh the stuff the water that was pouring out into the buckets that it and he cleaned out my water softener or not water softener but my water heater as well and that was just as bad so or I would have burned the elements out on that on a thousand so what do you think this did you say the the the water guy that I had come in basically said it was all the mound water that was coming through the main line somehow there must have been junk in that line got shimmed up and cuz our water lines are all brand new it's the least path of resistance so it all came through my line and clogged my whole system up in my in my office I mean we had hardly any water pressure anything it just kept running my water softener and our water pressure went down and that's when r came through and or one of the guys and said hey your water's running and I said yeah I realized that because um my uh these guys came through and my water softener guy came over and looked at it so so it was all residual from I don't know what it was from it's it was in your L going I'm trying to understand is this going to be ongoing or no I haven't had an issue since you know I haven't put a filter in or anything along that lines I haven't had an issue sense but whatever was in that line if someone was you know maybe flushing the hydrant I have no idea what what was going on but it it clogged up my whole line so so have you worked with Jesse about this yet we talked about it okay yeah so I think the first step would be let's see if we can work out something with public works and Jesse um I I don't remember all the rules ins and outs of reimbursing but I I know I've seen at least one person way back in the day that had like a runny running water issue and I can't remember what we did with that but if I may uh actually Jesse and I already talked about it you said to come to the council meeting and just bring it up as a an item okay I I can speak to that yeah um so I this started uh obviously with utility billing and sort of matriculated um the issue is we have there's only one policy related to water bills as it comes to staff and that's that I believe it's once a year we can wave a single late but there isn't something that gives staff the unilateral power to say s some sort of payment plan because any time you don't make a full payment your water bill is going to accumulate late fees so I'm not necessarily suggesting a new policy but more so I'm wanted to sort of pass the torch and that if staff was just given full leniency to you know say this is one that we think is you know egregious but yours isn't and there's you know we just Case by case basis yeah and that's what we're looking to avoid so um and not necessarily saying we should do it here but uh if this is something that the council was thinking about pursuing um you know having that threshold for when we say set up a plan that might wave late fees or something that's sort of the direction that we would look for so that if something like this happens again we don't have to come back to council um so I guess I throw it to council to say is this something this is the type of situation if it's something that's demonstrably city um if it's something that is say because of our water or because of something that we were doing should the city staff have the authority to or or the responsibility to work with a resident or a business owner to say wave late fees or over the course of two months or 6 months or whatever it may be um so that's the sort of but this isn't a wait late fee just so you guys know which on the spot is this you think that this is a city problem that we did this to that if if that's what the the experts said I mean I don't know if so w you have to work with his water softener guy maybe's have some pictures or maybe write up a letter report sent it to you you want to look at it I don't know if we're prepared to make a decision right now on stage but I agree maybe in the future we maybe need more of a policy of like what we do with this situation and that would maybe be part of the standard is just to if it's like I mentioned if it's demonstrably City Le or city responsibility then that that would be a good Baseline right and we're just trying to avoid doing things arbitrarily and that's where the policy would come in or a policy or um so if we can do that I'm so you paid it and that's what yeah I've already paid it the you know the larger issue is we all know that our water is about as egregious as it gets you know from a filt because we don't even have a filtration system and I mean that's why I'm asking because this is on a case-by Case basis I would you know I think it would make more sense that the council retain that power but that's just me um and you and you do manage it on a case-by Case basis I mean I'm not coming to you going hey I didn't pay my bills and for the last 10 months and I want my all my late fees you know this is a this is an entirely different issue so for me I I would say this is me but I would say if you and Public Works think that this is a an issue that we caused that made this worse for him and then we should give him the difference between the 89 that he normally pays and I can get the bill just a second if if that's the case I think that's what we should do going forward for the next person that comes up here I think we need to create a policy of what do we do in this situation that's where I would say I agree with that I just want to make sure we don't open the floodgates and have every time Di and Harry not that you are Jason you're a wonderful Community yeah uh can we do one at please I have the same exact thing happen in my commercial building at the same time okay can you give us just sit down and then we'll get all I want to say is I can understand how this happened I just want to make sure that doesn't open the floodgates for anybody to come in and say this is caused from M water so um I think writing a policy going forward to let City Public Works handle it unless it's really out there makes a lot of sense I would say you you and Public Works deal with this issue if you guys come to an agreement that y all are happy with and and if it's too much or you don't want to make that decision bring it back to us with actually facts and pictures and reports from someone not just that this happen sure and and we could even write a policy or something that maybe we you bring that back at the same point yeah and and like I say I don't mean to push things off necessarily but um sometimes just having a policy in place could keep things from elevating over and over or you know at least it gives us some um something to lean on without having to come to the council every time yeah yeah didn't you mention something about like the authority to discuss it like it was a while ago but you uh maybe like not a policy but like you know you would have the sure the authority authority to discuss it with whoever and then bring it to we got hold on now we got three people talking just hold on you done yep okay go ahead I was just wondering if you if the bib in front of your door ever got resolved that problem no so that was the last item on the docket here Jesse and I also talked about this but um so that concrete that got put in um is actually cracked and I mean pretty much needs to be replaced already um it's chipped in a fairly decent probably 3 4 in section I you can tell there's other areas that are going to start shipping I know there's a warranty on that stuff but you know it's something that they came in and did all the concrete but they looked at mine and said and they walked they kept walking to the next one they didn't actually touch mine but then there's the low spots that we've already had discussions about you may recall where you know there's lips in there uh tripping hazards I get water that that gets retained in there um rather than replacing it I think the alternative CU we worked with uh Matt and um they basically said no but the maybe we go with a rather than take it out go with the styrofoam expansion where it lifts the concrete up which is a lot a lot less expensive and you're maintaining that that concrete the way it is today rather than pulling it up and then hopefully not you know it's not going to shift on you after you put a new piece in I think that's the larger concern but if we were to you know they drill a couple holes in that whole piece lifts up and they're done and there's only I think three pieces that need to be because they're all sectioned up and it may be all one piece but I'm not the expert but that's something that I'd still like to address on the on the council okay so and again have you talked with Ryan and let's not get into a whole debate tonight but we have a plan bid for the other side walk phase they're coming back I haven't planed to be done already I just haven't got communication with you yet cool already works okay thank you perfect cool all right thanks then we'll get back to on the water thing you want to give him what reports or whatever you can give them sounds good thanks all right can you give us your name and address hi there U Claudia Lacy 2529 Commerce Boulevard m Minnesota I own a commercial building right on Commerce Boulevard I wasn't going to talk about this but I didn't want to speak about this sit down and come back on another issue but I had the exact same thing happen with my water at the langden I we are there we are open 7 days out of the month we don't take showers we don't wash dishes we don't use the bathroom we don't run water my water bill went from about $100 to over $700 with no explanation so this is going to open up a Floodgate if I did call the city I did say this is a problem oh my gosh what's going on and you know I was told was your toilet running the toilet is I'm like the toilet's not running you can hear a toilet when it's running and so I was told there's really nothing you can do I paid the bill but this is going to open up a flood gate cuz now I'm going to go back and get that bill that's exactly what was told to me as well and when I called for example um the city of Minista they said well sometimes when there's something like this that happens they they work with you on the bill I got that is not going to happen so I'm another person lining me up with Jason you're going to be looking at my bill as well so um I'm actually here tonight to talk about the um are we on number six yet no okay so I should sit down I have a question though um did you have someone come out like Mr zatler did and kind of assess like they said it wasn't his water softener there was something on the other side yeah it was this miracle that one of the um Teamster guys one of the public utility Works gentleman was coming by and he said do you know your water's running and I said my water's not running we don't run the water and he said well it's running and uh you know and he told me that there was something going on we do have the same he said it was I can't remember it was what Jason said it's the same time frame the same situation that they must have been running water through the pipes or did something after they were working on it so uh that's not for me to figure out all I know is my water bill went from this to 600 Times Higher with no more additional water use um I wonder anyway so there's that do you want me to sit down until we get back up to 6 iose in case someone else has something they want to I don't know if anyone else does but I'll sit down thank you thank you for hearing that thank you thank you if you want to give Jesse your bill or whatever issues you have y next y can you give us your name and address Isabelle BR 3367 Warner Lane I have a few questions yeah my first one is when will the water fountain at the skate park be fixed um someone have an answer for that I can answer the fact that the Parks Commission just finished doing our annual you know we walk through all the parks and give a list of improvements um and there were items listed for the skate park um then the Public Works staff puts in the work orders so I don't know where they're at in their workers but I'm sure you know you could check with them to make sure it's on that list of things that they're looking at and they'll be addressing it I'm sure in the next year or next you know couple of months okay if if you want to hold a second he's right there yeah he's can you just tell us we actually have all the water shut off try to figure out a way to put inline filters in because of okay that was a recommendation by the health department not to have the public tricking fountains throughout town on because there's no way to label or a lot of people in town know we have high meganes but there isn't a great way to let anybody who just comes and enjoys our parks and all that so we're working on trying to figure out ways to filter each individual uh water surface and we I was actually down there with my Parks today trying to figure out to figure out great over there yeah we're just trying to figure out a way to get a inline filter cool um I'm an artist and I have a lot of interest in mural design I am a collage artist by trade um so I've put together a couple of vision boards those are just a collage of images and words representing a person's wishes or goals intended to serve as inspiration or motivation so this one I made cuz Bruce over at bigstone yeah you guys know Bruce yeah yeah we have an idea for a mural for the Tonka toys building and then I have an idea for murals around the skate park so I've created a couple of examples of like my art style um and this is the one for the skate park as well so I guess my question there is uh when can I start or how can I get a permit or how can I start you know helping the parks yeah so the first thing would be to probably go to the Parks Board yeah and the parks board for the new park that's going to be downtown um next to Essa and um lost Lost Lake Villas you know that's going to be a new park there is actually a designated art and hand walk in which we're going to be seeking artists to Prov I'm super interested in the skate park specifically we also cover the skate park we meet this Thursday uh I think it was can it got canceled oh sorry my mean got canel okay but anyway we we normally meet the first um the second the second Thursday of the month uh and we can put you on our agenda yeah that would be great and come forth and we can talk about how to proceed M there are state grants through the state Arts board yeah and Bruce and I were just throwing ideas of starting a GoFundMe to fund raise money to execute the murals um for the one with on the Tonka toys building our ideas refer to indigenous culture Tonka toys and Lake minat Tonka so those will be the themes now the Tonka toys building I think we'd have to contact the owners of that right the city doesn't have any it's privately owned it's priv totally but for the parks we're definitely looking for art to be incorporated yeah Bruce also so then it goes into my third idea which I think everyone will like it's a dog park um the wooded area behind City Hall and the skate park would be a perfect spot for a offleash dog park in my opinion I think the only thing you'd run into is that it's owned by the city it might have some indigenous culture like Indian burial mounds included um I've spoken with several dog owners who have expressed interest in seeing an offleash dog park it would be positive for all demographics and Bruce over at bigstone would be interested and being involved in the design of a dog park in that wooded area we've talked at the park board about dog parks and you know unfortunately the issues the the negative issues tend to rise yeah to the top of the conversation um but we've never talked about actually initiating a dog park so it's an idea that I'd say bring to us and we'll talk about and consider Sherry Pew can I yeah yeah if you want to email Jesse you've been emailing oh you okay you know I haven heard back Megan Deputy say it again Megan is our staff person for Parks right is that would it be good Maggie's Works through the with the parks uh commission but yeah I've spoken with Maggie and Colette Roberts about some of my ideas so guess I'm just waiting for the green light that's all so yeah SE parks and then um I I'll just say the one comment on the dog park thing we have three dogs I'd love a dog park it would be awesome um we well my wife uh runs them South uh or west I should say at the Ballpark it's kind of unofficial dog park yeah so I'm just saying if people want to run their dog over there the wooded area really would be perfect because it would serve kind of as a double like it could be kind of Citizen supervision of activities that happen at the skate park and the skate park can be a very dangerous place um but I'm only focusing on the positives that could come out of giving the skate park more TLC um but yeah so I've got lots of ideas and I'd love to share them yeah share them up cool um welcome you to the Parks Commission sweet this is a present to city council so oh thank you I'm not bringing this home where can I leave it leave it right there thank you appreciate it you're welcome all right do we got anybody else that wants to come up all right we're going to go on to Planning Commission recommendation uh public hearing consideration of proposed ordinance amending city code chapter 1 29 we got read that coming up all right good evening mayor members of the council um Rita trap um planning consultant for the city um so the uh request before you this evening uh is consideration of a proposed ordinance amendment to amend the City Zoning code related to Canabis businesses I'm going to provide a little bit of background and um the City attorney will also probably have some additional comments or may have some clarify clarifications um as this is a topic that touches zoning but it also touches areas outside of zoning so I'm going to kind of touch areas outside of zoning but that is not my area of expertise and so I'm glad that the City attorney is here to answer those questions but they are interrelated so it's hard to have the conversation about zoning without talking about the other elements so in 2023 the Minnesota Legislature um did approve expanded legalization of THC cannabis products and cannabis businesses uh at the time they established the office of cannabis management uh ocm um cities need new licensing SL registration and Zoning requirements as a result of this legislation uh sales were expected to begin in 2025 and so it was topic that we anticipated talking with you all about at the end of 2024 however uh in July so in May of this year they made a change to the state rules to establish a new social Equity licensing process and so the reason we're before you this evening the reason the Planning Commission considered this at their meeting last month um as you can imagine that happened in May so in June we have the information we're trying to move at the speed we can so that we can have at least the zoning regulations in place by the time any of those applicants may be considered in where they would want to locate um just a little bit of background social Equity um those are applicants that can qualify uh for cannabis related licensing because of a number of factors and there's actually a list and so it's hard for me to capture all of those elements but I I tried to summarize kind of the top ones that I anticipate um if you had been convicted of an offense prior uh related to cannabis prior um to May 1st of 2023 or if you were a parent child dependent spouse there was other people um convi of someone that was convicted of such offense a veteran or a current former member of the National Guard there are Provisions related to if you live in a neighborhood um that has a number of factors so there's a number of different ways that someone may qualify as a social Equity applicant uh the benefits for them is they have prioritization in the licensing process um there are also a certain number of licenses per license type um that are designated for social Equity applicants um and they have some access to resources so the reason that we're here is that there is a process that has already started um for social Equity applicants um they can apply to be part of a lottery um that the ocm is going to do and have the ability to get licenses and that'll be in advance of what we are anticipating at the beginning of 2025 so our goal this evening is to talk about potential zoning regulations so where might these be located in the community and and what if anything do we want to use um as factors into that consideration um licensing and registration um currently cities can license Edibles until 2025 and then the ocm will do licensing and so the city can do a registration process this is where we are tipping our toes out of zoning and into registration and Licensing which I don't normally get involved with and the City attorney would be more involved with so on that element I would anticipate you'll have more conversation and it will probably be outside of the planning elements um because business licensing is usually uh not something that the planners uh and Zoning typically deals with uh my understanding is that the cities must allow at least one business per 12,500 residents you could allow more if you wanted but generally the foundation is that we have to allow one um and then there's some other and this again if you have more questions the City attorney is here um if there's enough uh registrations if the threshold is meant countywide then you wouldn't have to allow a registration of such a business um in hen County my understanding is it's about 102 businesses um so it's likely that M may have to have one business but that's still not uh that's still undetermined at this point um and then the cities could operate a municipal cannabis store and again this is all about registration which is not part of what we're talking about this evening but it is good background and foundation for why some of the conversations we're going to have um we need to have happen um other Provisions also and I bring this up because the Planning Commission was asking some questions about this so um starting August 1st min residents 21 years and plus can use cannabis flow and products on their private property or if you are visiting a friend on their private property and they're okay with it but again the idea of it being on private property is the important part or events that are licensed for on-site consumption so those are kind of the two areas um they the Clean Indoor Air Act does if it's applied similar to how smoking is applied you wouldn't need you wouldn't be allowed to have that uh be allowed use indoors uh the use of cannabis and that's related to the Clean Indoor Air Act and then there's also the reality um that individuals can cultivate up to eight plants of which four can be mature as long as it's enclosed lock space not open to not open to public view so those are all Provisions um that are just foundation for you if you have questions the City attorney can provide probably more information than I can I'm going to turn now to the zoning side but I think these Foundation are important given the conversation we had with the Planning Commission oops I have a quick question if you can go back to the equity portion I'm still confused in this so if you've been convicted of what a cannabis for an offense related to having cannabis then suddenly they are eligible to register for a license to open a business that part that's my understanding the attorney may have other commentary on that but that's how I understood it go ahead for me okay so um as you know the the the statutes were passed to legalize um cannabis manufacturing retail and use in Minnesota um as stated the office of can canvas management was created um with the goal of having licenses for manufacturing and for um retail sales um starting in 20125 um the legislature made a determination that um in order to ramp up to the 2025 there need needs to be some cultivation done because only Minnesota grown my understanding Minnesota grown can be used for the sale in Minnesota so the um one that what passed was an early cultivation act it back in May of May of this year the bill was passed and the understanding is that the office Canabis management may be issuing licenses for this early cultivation um at the end of July um the opinion of my office um and and also the league of Minnesota cities is that um we need to take a look at zoning ordinances and I'll get into that in a little bit um to deal with this early cultivation now under the law there's retail and then there's everything else ret retail is dispensaries the um those places that somebody from the public can go and purchase the the product then you have you have the manufacturing where it's grown and also um where the where things are made okay that's different um the retail side of it that where the registration comes in there is no retail right now there's not going to be there there is no ret retail um at this point under the the what was passed so we don't need to worry about the registration what we're worried about is the cultivation part of it um and those items are going to take place that are non retail under the law statute right now we the city the city cannot prohibit The Establishment or operation of a cannabis business or hemp business that state statute cannot stop it um but we can put reasonable restrictions in through um through zoning okay the restrictions are to deal with as you stated there's for retail there's one bsiness you can have one business per 12,500 residents do the math that's one in the city okay that's nothing to do with manufacturing and non- Retail um also they can have and this and Rita will get into this too um there can be uh buffer zones there's a maximum buffer zone we can have and we can work within that buffer zone remembering that we can't prohibit you can't regulate out the business so you can't have buffer zones that create a basically that the businesses can't operate in the state in the city so that's that kind of The Balancing Act that we have with it um so the reason we're here today again is that early cultivation prior to 2025 was passed by the legislature um we have the city has the ability really only to control it through the zoning right at this for manufacturing and if we didn't have it if we don't create where can where can where the zones it can be in theoretically it can be in any zone so that's the reason why um I proposed zoning zoning to deal with this and if we're and in reality if we are looking at the manufacturing thought process was let's look at all of the different businesses and deal with it now the zoning part of it um now with regard you had a question with regard to the equity that's all state statute there's a laundry list of of of those that are considered Equity um um applicants and it it says a convicted of an offense involving possession or sale of cannabis or marijuana prior to May 3rd 2023 that's just so let's reward them I can't well with well it's not up to us no I I'm just trying to understand that thought process here I don't know the thought process but that's the state of Minnesota guess yeah I I I'm not going to make I'm not going to make yeah I'm not going to make the the Assumption of what the rational was because I wasn't part of the those legisla legislative hearings this is not even ocm this is this is the state legislature ocm doesn't even put ocm has as far as I know this point has not don't have any rules in place that so we're still basing everything off the statute this is so if anybody wants to see the list just Google Minnesota statutes 34217 that's the list so every everything we're dealing with right now as a city is what's created by the state legislature period I mean am I alone thinking this just makes zero sense let's reward a convicted person with the ability to get a license to distribute what you were convicted for thank Youk thank you for saying I just don't even it just makes no sense conv deserve I'm not trying to get into an argument I'm just trying to understand what logic there is in this so the why they get special priv well I I think I well if we want to talk about okay hold on this is not a town hall so we need to have discussion with regards to the council and myself on this we try to keep okay so what we need to do is provide information for you to understand the decision that you're making remember everything we have here whether it's right or wrong is what the statute says and what we're dealing with right now is the manufacturing side now we have not seen the rules and regulations going to be put in place by the Office of canabus Management one of the things that the office of CIS management is charged with doing is working with cities to create a model ordinance we don't have that so that's why we're here right now th this is this is ba what we have right here is based off of a zoning ordinance that my office and myself have used for other cities and apparently that is now being used as a model for other other cities that we don't represent so the this is this is working within the framework that we have under the statute we have you know this is something we have this is this is the control we have now if there is a concern about the control that or or anything in the in the statute that is there's a concern that's something to be taken up with the legislature um and and and go through that route or even the office of cannabis management as they're making their rules um okay that that's what that's what we have to do we have we have no the city has no abil the only ability that we have as the city to address this is through our zoning restriction in the number of retail businesses um and in registration but registration is really it's a different process we're not going to draft those at this point because we don't need those because it's only deal with retail but but like I said the zoning is dealing with everything as a whole cuz let's deal with it now thank you for reeling that back in Rita I just want you to clarify Rita you mentioned that you're pretty sure um all cities up to 12,000 people must have um it is it is it is a must one business per 12,500 have to you must you must under the state yeah under the state statute we must allow one business for 12,500 residents there some countywide language within there meaning if they ask you don't have to create one if there is one right right right you just have to basically have to allow but remember this is that then you can put that limit on there saying we only going to allow one in you know in the city um and remember it's not you have to have 12,500 residents it's if you're in a city and you're say even um something say like we we said we're under 9,000 now that means if we if if we were at if we were a city at 15,000 that means two so the the city of Mound has no ability to say at this time we don't want any cannabis in our city well or businesses rather not the drugs is that correct well you with the retail you can put a um moratorium in place but it doesn't make sense because there's no licenses for retail anyway so it was just an exercise and nothing passing the legislature towards the retail side is the Mana but there is truth that there is not an ability to totally ban it from the city correct you cannot do that yeah okay and that's and I I know it's been maybe frustrating listening at the Planning Commission this is not staff we're just telling you what the minimum that the statute says you have to do and that's what we're trying to put into place yeah and and in case if anybody wants to look um for the language with regards to the retail operations the one for 12,500 it's Minnesota statutes 34213 um uh sub paragraph H now this there's really only two statutes that deal with us it's it's this local control it's that's what it's labeled you can see that right here says local control and the other one is the registration which we're not dealing with today okay so again what we're what we're looking at is this is a reaction to what happened in the legislature this past session which was to allow early cultivation what we were planning on doing and every city was doing is waiting for those model ordinances and then take a look at those and adopt something uniform throughout you know that we could look at but the that basically think of the for in the rationale that thinking that you need to manufacture in order to have a license in 2025 um they have now allowed for this called early cultivation so that's what we're here do you have a I had a question so you can allow up to one business up to population 12 does that include a municipal dispensary or is it can it be is if you have a municipal dispensary is that the one or is it one plus answer that or no you can if to hear you so if if there's a municipal dispensary the city can still it doesn't count towards the cap so if M said well we just want one you know if there was a mun dispensary there could still be one private but then it's like the Optics of you want to compete or one is enough so am I wrong um say yes yeah no I would say that's part of the unclear part of it I think with regard and that's why hopefully the rules will do because the the way the statute reads um is that there's that language that it says you can limit the number of licensed cannabis retailers so on so forth you know the retail businesses but then there's also another section that says that you can have a municipal uh dispensary like a municipal liquor store with no rules beyond that the saying you can have it and we haven't seen how that interplays so you could be right you know or not we just don't we don't know how that's playing out yet but so my understanding is that so like the language that I last read was if there's a municipal dispensary then it doesn't count towards the cap so then we could still have one more but you can also decide that one is enough for Mound and if it's only immun then it's only immunity right right and I think that's where it's going at is and remember this is one for 12,500 if you want to have three go ahead this is the no this is sort of like this is the you can you can be less restrictive but kids can't be more restrictive yep exactly yeah but it and it's and when we deal with and and my understanding is that the way it's supposed to work out is that all the licensing goes through office of cannabis management they deal with the licensing of all these businesses they'll also take over the low potency um hemp you know the the the gummies they'll take once once they take it over then our licensing is been will be preempted so they're going to take over everything and um cannabis the the Cannabis retailers will be um have that limitation um I don't looking at it the low potency doesn't have that same restriction so that's so you can have you could have several licenses within a district that have like the low potency but they're but they still that's why we want to deal with the zoning on it I think we already have that in our our code that's so it's with a low potency it's kind of matching that but my understanding is that they get their license then they'll come you know we have this registration system that's we're not putting in place now but we will for retail and basically if they don't meet the Zone zoning requirements then they won't be allowed to operate in the city under the license I mean but but these but these are these like I said we can't Zone them out as a city if if they are are offered you know if they pass through the registration and given registration does the city have any recourse I mean or are they just going to come in to Mound not living here and say we're going to according to the statute and we're waiting for the rules too but the statute there is a process to for us to go to ocm and complaint make complaints and they're the licensing Authority but so you're saying the city doesn't have a lot of control and who comes into our city to do this correct that's insane wow that's this is this is I know no no I I know if law I mean nobody said laws are logical mhm okay okay but but you know but remember this is the the first thing you were reading the statute it says we may not prohibit The Establishment or operation of a of a licensed business a licensed business comes from the state we can we can we can have zoning to put it in certain zones because you can you can modify the time place and manner the looking at time place and manner so you can you can restrict the area you're in the zone and you can create buffer zones but if you're but if you're you know I look at it as as when they say time place and Manor I look at it as the same the similar analysis would be under businesses under the First Amendment you can't Zone them out of your city you have to allow it somewhere and so if you you have so you have to take a look at your the buffer zones The Zone you're in and allow it these businesses to operate well what if a cartel from Mexico decided I want to go to Mound we have no control of that they pass reg well they they would have to pass whatever stringent requirements the state has with regards to who gets license of the insurance and those things and again it's a state controller license so I guess if if you know in your in parade of horribles if it's a bad actor and they happen to get a license they want to come in here it's a state it's a license but there is a process in the statute um that provides for the city to complaints to license and simply because you have a license doesn't mean you get to keep that license if there's problems it can go away this is how the statute works yeah now we're again we're still waiting for the rules but the only reason we're here you know is because of this early cultivation we need to have some zoning in place so to make sure that we provide a place for them to manufacture if they want want to come in town and manufacture um that place and that we want to be able to box them into certain certain zones thank you yep all right keep going all right question let's see uh most of this we talked this part we've talked about um we can do the local zoning um but we cannot totally ban it which is why the discussion of the buffers as I introduced in the memo is important because of um how they can work together just for uh everybody's benefit of knowing there's a number of different businesses and we included in your packet at least some information if you go to statute you can't find a specific definition I was hoping I could do that but it's kind of more under the licensing so that's why we sent the summary sheet there's a lot of different things involved um in terms of the licenses and what they mean um the use table uh we included a use table in the ordinance and that use table looked at trying to establish where cannabis businesses would be allowed looking at the choices that we have in Mound uh the suggestion was retail businesses would be looked at for the Mixed use downtown and Corridor areas and the manufacturing processing cultivation would be in the industrial district um there's not a lot of other choices besides that otherwise we're into residential districts or into our neighborhood commercial of which there's just a few located right adjacent to our the residential neighborhood so the focus was um thinking about the downtown area um because there aren very other districts we can put them in um we can require setex um and our buffers is probably a better word meaning we can say that you can be in that District but you can't be within a certain distance of certain elements so statute specifically says cities can have it up to 1,000 ft from private and public schools or 500 ft from dayc carees um playgrounds athletic fields youth oriented Park facilities and Residential Treatment Centers um so we have we've done a variety of different iterations of maps and I believe in front of you are some additional ones than what were in the packet um we've done some that are in singular some that are combined um we I will walk through these but I certainly have more that I can show on the screen uh we started at the premise of the 1,000 ft from private and public schools and 500 feet from daycares and Parks um that we don't have as far as I could tell in the licensing any residential treat facility so that's why that's not included I did a search at the state in human services to find out any licenses we had so those Parcels are included in the buffers that you have um I believe this one um is a short a smaller buffer um and that only is related to what the Planning Commission talked about so we originally started with 1,000 ft for public and private schools and 500 ft for parks and we took all parks we were very liberal in the park definition we basically for those that are familiar there is a park map on the city website that has all of the parks listed um beaches Parks all of those and all of those were included in the map so the veterans both of the veterans um Parks Plaza memorials are included um and when we do all of those and we combine them all together there is a little bit of a concern about whether we have de facto zoned things out if we do that if we are in agreement that mixed jues downtown and Corridor are the appropriate locations and Industrial is the appropriate location um if we agree with that starting point then we need to look at the buffers and adjusting the buffers to make sense um I do have with me um the other buffer maps and I'll show them in a second uh the Planning Commission considered this at their July meeting um there was kind of a split in the Planning Commission about the need for buffers and how much the buffers would be um knowing that we needed to get something in place I think that's why there was a movement to move forward some type of recommendation um and they landed on the recommendation that they thought the most folks could support uh was the idea of a 500 foot buffer from Pro public and private schools um so there were some folks that felt like a buffer wasn't necessarily needed um but felt like made sense to buffer from schools other folks felt like to doing the maximum buffer was important so the biggest message that they took I think was without them moving a recommendation forward you wouldn't be able to hear it tonight um and then we wouldn't have our regulations in place so I think if they had had their opportunity they probably would have liked to have more discussion um and and council member m can correct me but I I don't feel like they did the 500 foot because everybody was a unanimous consensus it was we realize where we are at we're under this time constraint we need to keep moving this forward so we're going to do something that most people can agree with um and so I think it's understood that there'll be more discussion this evening um about those buffers um I do want to remind you and I think you all know it is a public hearing tonight um and so there will be an opportunity for community members to provide feedback um the reason I wanted to move through is I just wanted to talk about the buffers a little bit more and I'm just going to go to the PDF so that it's a little easier for us to see and look at yes uh a quick question so on these slides the Planning Commission landed on the recommendation of a 500 foot buffer from public and private schools but not a Parks buffer correct is that kind of like a that's what they landed parallel from alcohol I mean what is that kind of like the same as liquor stores I think that was part of it it was the question about how are liquor stores uh alcohol treated and so do we need to treat this different than that okay I was just wanted to clear that up unless is that what you understood okay you're understanding I don't want to speak out a turn but um that was my understanding and again that was not unanimous I would say there's certainly people on one side that was no buffer needed folks on the other side that said maximum and so how do you find a a middle ground for what that I agreed it I I felt really strongly that we just needed to move it forward so with a 500 buffer everybody agreed on that for a school so we we didn't have the Benefit of Mr lansman at the um Planning Commission and I think there were still a lot of questions so I think it felt good to be able to move it forward so we can discuss it tonight yes so I believe in front of you right in front of you is uh some other Maps um it was a little bit interesting because we provided combined Maps before the Planning Commission and then the Planning Commission felt they were too overwhelming but yet Council M mck said actually that was helpful so I'm back to having combined Maps but I do have them individual too if you want to look at schools versus Parks just cuz it gets to be very busy happy to do whatever works for you um oh I I forget that this does that sorry PowerPoint does a really good job of two screens and then I lose it when I go to this second I'm trying to find my mouse it's going oh there we go sorry it's kind of funny let's see if I can pick this up um so in front of you is the 1,00 uh foot buffer and 500 foot buffer um and we also zoomed it in and that also was at the request of the Planning Commission is if we are in agreement that mixed use down town and Corridor and Industrial are the districts which they felt were appropriate um I do have the maps that do do the whole city but they felt like if that was it that was our area then it would be better to zoom it in so that you can see those areas better um this 1000 foot buffer um the concern that staff has is just that it takes up a lot of the area for the Mixed use downtown in the quarter that's why there was a concern about the 1,000 um because we can't make it so that you can't have a business any place um and so we need to find a buffer that does that Balancing Act of allowing some places that we feel are okay um and then buffers the rest so that's one of the reasons why um 1,000 is the maximum you can do staff had a little bit of discomfort about the ability of that to withstand if someone would challenge our ability of weather that um knowing for example uh the one industrial area is covered on the part of the building that really is the part that people could use um of bboa so that's why we can certainly look at those um and then there was a 750 ft buffer uh done as well which I believe you also received and I know these are are tough um and I can pull up the individual ones as well um and then we do have the 500 and we didn't go less than 500 um and what happens is the buffers shrink uh as we move down those feet and kind of pop up areas that might be appropriate if the city was going to have one they might be the places that they could be so not to complicate things but bboa is considered industrial right correct but in that building there are youth businesses and so was that I we had a lot of just couldn't you know yeah I know and there was a discussion the Planning Commission about the trail and the trail has lots I it's one of those elements that I don't disagree with you and I know what's in there um yeah but if if we had another area that we thought would be appropriate we can certainly look at that it's a challenge in a community like yours to try and find a place that has the districts available and the buffers make sense and doesn't have other uses mixing in there um what's the uh use it's a there's a soccer team and there's a a a an indoor skate park arcade for kids and what we're working with again you know like being a dead horse is dealing with um the statute which talks about there it's the maximum setback you can have and that's where we're working with is that 1,000 feet from a school or 500 feet from a daycare Residential Treatment Facility or an attraction within a public park that is regularly used by miners like playgrounds and athletic field so that that's kind of what you know what we're dealing what we're dealing with that's so if there's happens to be a business like the soccer that happens to be youth goto it that's not in the statutory laundry list or the in stonate yeah it's the same situation do we have to look at businesses that are already established can't we just wipe the whole town out and just make a little piece somewhere around the corner right before Menat Trista and say well you can build your own place there and uh so we generally pick zoning districts and we and that are existing in the community but per the the ordinance I mean do we have to do it well no there there is no you have to let one person be in right does it have to be in like a a building that exists the the way the statute all the statute says is that we can adopt reasonable restrictions on time place a matter of the operation of these businesses you know you do it through zoning so so we drove enough circles around everything and my house is the only one left that's yellow that's a appr approved and I'm like I'm going to start up a grow my own weed at home I could just do it there well you can grow your own we you do well whatever to sell cultivate to sell um well we're not allowing in the residential zone so that's okay so you can't do Residential at all no we're we're saying you could you could but I don't you could decide you want no I I want to not do it right right now it is not right now we're only but you have to let them do it in a in a res or a business well that's what we're talking about we have to let them in some zone right and it has to be a zone that not correct okay it doesn't help when everybody's talking at the same time so we have to allow it in some zoning districts and then we can establish buffers to limit how much of you know so that's separated from those uses but we can't overlap the circle so much that there's nothing left and again remember it says here in the statute it says may we City may not prohibit right but we can so okay okay okay we're going to give public comment in a minute here let us oh excuse me we'll get there in a second um go ahead okay so statute specifically States you may not prohibit okay right but you can restrict through time place and manner so we could create that's that's what we're doing now is trying to narrow it down so that we can figure saying okay these are acceptable places within the city for this you know for One retail business because they have to allow that one retail business um or for um manufacturing we want to stick it you know I think we're sticking in the industrial Zone yeah because there's only one building one place in town yeah so and now I just to say that that the city's creation of this Zone these zoning ordinances doesn't mean these private property owners have to allow anything this is not the private property rights are completely different than what the city is owning it's just the city as a governmental entity cannot is Limited in how we can control it is but if a if if private property owners say no then it's just it's not going to happen I mean that's that's a different level but has nothing to do with this with the city government so we can restrict it as much as we can to say Harbor Wine and Spirits and Jubilee or maybe just Harbor and draw the circle so so we can just do it there and that's it in essence that's what we're talking about with these buffers is you know we're looking at what is Mount Marketplace stonate and commerce place I mean when yes there are others and you can we can certainly take out other districts but that's what we were looking at in the buffers because if you do them too big then those things aren't possible it's the it's the parking lot of mountain Marketplace and I think that doesn't really argue that you can do it I mean technically you could put a building up other than it's a PUD and the building is already the parking lot's already at capacity otherwise I mean that's you know those are the zoning things that make me so the re the reason why we're here in the first place is the state and their all great Powers decided that this was a good idea they push it down said we don't have local control anymore MH and now we're sitting here and again in coordination with our attorney we've said if we do nothing and we just let this pass and we passed through now we're in August how many can come in for well what has to do one no what's but's back up a little bit that that's the retail side of it the retail side is not up and running at what we're worried about is this Manufacturing which they can but July 27th or whatever which is manufacturing not retail right but how many like if we don't do anything tonight we just let this skre it and just see what happens we don't have a we don't say where they can go and they could go hypothetically if we just say screw this I don't want to even talk about it how many could come as many as can number one get a license from the state and two can find Space anywhere in the city okay so we could have 25 we could be like the you could have 25 applicant yeah yeah exactly so so the idea right the point with what we're doing is we're trying to like it sounds like we probably all agree that we want to like limit the power and let us have some of it back kind of by zoning this out and say well you can do that one chop way you know over here and cross the fingers nobody ever comes yeah remember it's it's the private person or company that owns that we still have to allow them in there just saying but right and we can't so we have to allow it somewhere right um there may I make a clarification no on the on the manufacturing side there's not a limit right so there's not a numbers limit that you can establish if we don't do anything that mean you could get but even if we do something technically there's not a limit but we are limiting where it can go and we are limiting it's eff so that's in essence how we're limiting it right but technically the the retail it's only the retail that has that limit manufacturing does not have a limit but you're looking like manufacturing an industrial like you play one don't even know that they're there well and if you just focus on retail storefront like you know Optics of in under State Statute manufacturing they have regulations on odor and stuff like that so it's so there is there's some control that that the that they put under their licensing and how they operate and so again if there are issues with it I believe what the city has a process to go to office cannabis management and and or a private person can too so um they heavily regulate the manufacturing um of it and we have but we have like I said you can't prohibit it but we have to we can deal with zoning so if we if we we say we let's take a stand let's be now we're not doing this at all tough go somewhere else we're going to get sued eventually potentially Maybe not maybe nothing happens and at least we just something will happen so let's just say some whoever looks at looks at up and says oh there's a good Target I'm going to go we're going to we're going to go Sue Mountain because they're discriminating against this new thing um well then then we're in a lawsuit and this and that way there I mean this is similar to uh First Amendment um uh Advocates right um and when I talk about First Amendment I'm talking about um strip clubs because that's considered to have First Amendment protections no it does it it has it has First Amendment first amend Amendment protections and we but you can control time place and manner but there are First Amendment Advocates that will scour through um city codes and go aha found one found one yeah and and go try to open one up and see what happens and then you then they got a lawsuit involved that mean it happens so my my advice my advice is when I'm looking at this is follow you know it's the statute's the statute and this is what it says and you know and and and do what I can to protect the city from liability right okay why don't you finish then we'll open up to the public I think the biggest message is you have the maps in front of you I assume at some point we'll have a conversation about whatever buffer you think is the most appropriate we tried to give you different options I do have with me ones that don't have the parks on it because I think the 500 feet of parks is the maximum we can do and probably there are impacts with like the veterans next to the transit ramp but otherwise a lot of the difference has to do with the 1,000 ft and whether that restricts us too much or whether we need to dial it back um and that's really your comfort level on how how we want to do that um I think staff's recommendation is to dial it back a little bit even though it's uncomfortable because in order to not have that lawsuit which is you know our best interest as the city attorneys is to protect the city's interest um is to find that kind of happy number that protects as much as you can without zoning it completely out that someone could say well you you zoned it out there's no place for for us to go um and we can go through the different Maps Okay um and otherwise the ordinance is fairly straightforward I hope in terms of there are definitions there's a use table and it says that there's the buffers and that's about as much as we're able to do and that's why there's not more is that there's a limit with statute on how much we're able to regulate with these so did that other questions or do you want me to walk I can walk through the maps more no we'll come back to you I figured that's a discussion after yeah okay okay thanks read yes all right does someone want to come up I got three minutes just give us your what's that hi Claudia Lacy 259 Commerce buard M Minnesota I wish oh sorry hold on what we need to open the public hearing first oh I just did that oh sorry does it have to be like official yes oh say this is a public hearing for the sake of zoning so it needs to be a official public hearing okay hold on okay I opened the public hearing for the consideration of the proposed ordinance chapter 129 zoning related to cannabis business go ahead thank you hi I'm Claudia Lacy 2529 Commerce Boulevard Mound Minnesota um I wish okay first of all you're doing everything you can to make it easy on the people that want to come here and sell genetically modified super strong marijuana why are you going out of your way to make it easy and I guess respectfully I I totally respect your um legal opinion Mr lansman but I spoke to several City attorneys today I spent three hour almost three hours talking to the league of Minnesota cities various other municipalities and their lawyers it's all in the zoning okay you can't prohibit a cannabis shop from coming to Mound but you can't Zone Mound for to protect our citizens are vulnerable I don't want to smell weed at the beach and the parks which if you go to Colorado it's rampant it's horrible it ruins your experience walking around Manhattan all you do is smell weed Colorado Boulder all you do is smell weed if your zoning matches Minneapolis it's 1,000 ft from Parks schools vulnerable IND individuals you don't have to go oh let's make it 500 and make it easier on everybody you don't have to do that and let me ask you this question to make it simple let's assume because of our beautiful geography and we've got lakes and Parks let's assume there isn't a single place in Mound that would allow a commercial space that is more less than 300 ft are you going to lower it to that to accommodate them don't accomm don't what what are you doing we don't want to Legal I mean what is this world coming to and you know I I bet how many of you spent any time do any of you even know who um John Corey is do you know who John Corey is I'm sorry Robert Corey Robert Corey 10 years ago was the architect of amendment 64 legalizing the growing sale sell selling distribution of of marijuana in Colorado liberal guy went to the University of Colorado then went to Stanford law came back wrote this bill he now 10 years later says oh my God I reget I so wish I could be proud of this I regret what I have done it's big government cronyism that's who's getting rich it's not it's not the little mom mom and pop with a organic marijuana Farm I am all about medicinal marijuana I don't I'm not saying I use it I I don't I don't uh begrudge anyone that needs it for any purpose but to put this highly genetically modified Frankenstein marijuana for sale on our beautiful Lake Langdon or anywhere around our town is this makes Monsanto blush the level of modification that's going into these new weed plants and so don't sit back lightly and go you know let's make it easy on them and give them five you know let's let them have 500 ft you're confusing everyone out here when you say you know what uh we have to do this no you do not you have to set your code and then you can stick by your code if there is nowhere for the the business to go then there's nowhere for it to go you don't have to make it happen and the city's not going to come after you I've you know the city's not g the the sorry the legislators in St Paul are not going to come after you because you didn't find a place for a weed shop in Mount I'm sure everyone here can drive you know 5 miles down the road to get their genetically modified marijuana don't make it easy on them what protect our Stu protect our kids this is not what we want here people used to fight to keep trip XX and porn shops and all these things out of our town start fighting for us that's all I'm I have to say I love this town we don't need you know again the the marijuana that God grows out in the field with natural Sunshine that's one thing that is not what's coming into these shops and you know who's getting rich big government and big corporations big government big corporations it's not the little guys so thank you God bless you thank you for your service I know how much work this is but you do not have to Zone it in to make it easy you should know this you should be protecting us you know what people used to call Mound most of us need drugs we want to get away from that all right thank you sorry about my passion I tried to be calm but it's because I'm passionate and I do love I I I so respect all of you for putting in this time but man you know you do not have to Zone this in so thank you thank you thank you all right you give us your name and address Jason zler 2345 Commerce Boulevard Jason uh sorry 23 45 Commerce Boulevard Jason zler um you're going to hear two different opinions and I love Claudia dearly um so but her and I definitely differ in some perspectives F first I'm just going to I'm just going to highlight what I've done for extensive research in this industry because I have to know it for insurance purposes and it has turned our insurance world upside down and I've talked to people from California Color you name it I've been to more seminars than I care to admit um the the long of the short is is that our farm bill started with the Delta 8 and the Delta 9 and they passed that as part of our farm bill and that was on the federal level okay and I go out there each year as well and talk with those folks and then that's the derivative of THC or hemp so things that they make with rope and all that so that's where you get your gummy your THC selers all of these other things then you have um big um corporations that are in these various states that do the cultivation that Scott was talking about that cult these these guys are big time so these are in multiple States they're big corporations and as soon as another state opens up they want to come into that into that state the issue with our state right now is is the cultivation issue and we have rules and regulations around how much they can cultivate and where and the and and so these BigTime corporations don't want to come in and do the cultivation because on the federal level if you transport marijuana true marijuana over state lines it's a federal crime and everybody goes to jail so that's one thing I want you guys to understand here is that when they're talking about cultivation you know how many people are cultivators right now and they've sped up zero so do you think that the the THC uh dispensaries that we're talking about here and this you you guys are in an uproar about stuff that isn't going to happen for at least another year let me give you just some statistics here cannabis cultivators the licenses in the state of Minnesota 25 the Cannabis manufacturers 12 the Cannabis retailers we're talking about the dispensary 75 and the Cannabis the those are the mixed businesses another 50 so they can have a dispensary and they can cultivate we have about 200 licenses that are going to be put out in in circulation in the state of Minnesota and of those licenses about a hundred are under this you know uh idea that hey if you've been convicted of X Y and Z you're going to be a good business Steward from now on and um at this point you can get a license so it's it' be about a hundred licenses that get issued the the other hundred other people can apply for at that point so that's just to give you some perspective right now I'll give you another larger issue and and I think your larger concern is going to be around um the insurance s of things and what that's going to do to to the city and all these other pieces so and they're dealing with all of this in the other in the other states so let's talk about liquor stores liquor stores are handling um your THC selers they're handling your uh gummies all these other things and then they're also that you can get them at the restaurants you can get them at uh and where you can get alcohol as well so you get all of these things and when someone gets into an accident what is it is it the THC that got you into the accident or is the alcohol that got you into the AC accident is it the cookie you ate or the gummy that you ate so th these are much larger scope issues that all these other states are dealing with so what we're talking about is very minuscule in the grand scheme of things so I'm trying to give you guys some perspective on this I understand the zoning I I see the passion in this room um I see some of the passion up on the council but I think when I think about regulation and I think about you as stewards of of our city and also citizens there's got to be a little more forethought into just rather than let's just put something on the books because when I look at this I mean buffer zones all these other things none of this means anything right now and it won't probably for another two years because you're ain't going to get any cultivators to come in here to actually even Supply the cannabis retailers not going to happen there ain't nothing to buy and you can't P you can't cross it over the state line so my point is is that I would recommend that you guys let some of this kind of this some of this dust settle wait for your uh uh rules that are going to come from the state legislature rather than adopting what the City attorney uh folks adopted because I think people are doing this in their haste because of their hatred of of uh marijuana um the reality is is if you don't let something in guess what you can do I can grow right now today eight plants in my house did you know that eight four of them flowering and I can grow them any way I want hydroponically or anywhere else on my in my backyard right next to the school guys you can't stop so we're having arguments about something you can't stop so wouldn't you rather have it regulated in our in our in our city where you have to show up in a dispensary do you know the rules around a dispensary right now you can't have you can only have 10% of your product out the rest has got to be in a safe you have to have locked security doors cameras all these rules and regulations and by the way the license just to apply for a license for a dispensary do you know how much that is just for the license you're not guaranteed that you're going to get the license five grand and it'll probably go up from there so this isn't this isn't for your everyday run-of-the-mill people or business because there are so much rules and regulations that haven't even been established yet and we have attorney's offices and other people city folks that are are applying rules that they know nothing about so what I'm saying is you really need to take a step back and consider what what you're doing because when I look at this let's just talk about the buffer zone for a second do we have buffer zones for liquor stores did you know there was a liquor store right over here right next to to uh Shirley Hills at one point we don't have any problem with that did you know that there's no security cameras in most cases there's no uh none of the the product is locked behind doors or behind cases so you can't even get to it anyways and had a dispensary versus a liquor store the little kids right over at the game machine could walk right into a liquor store and grab something and you wouldn't even know it if they're quick enough so be thoughtful about what you guys are going to do rather than just quick let's put something on the books um same with gun stores gun stores are more regulated than liquor stores there's no buffer zone on gun stores why are we doing that for our our cannabis uh smoke shops the wonderful smoke shop that we got up here have you been in there have you seen all of the Cannabis stuff and all the other things that they have in there you can't walk in and grab anything cuz guess what it's all behind cases and it's all security gated we're not having a conversation about a buffer zone there I can promise you if you've ever been in a dispensary and I have just to see what it looks like and how it operates it is such high security and most of them have security guards too did you know that so when we're talking about a buffer zone The Zone regulation I think we're really truly jumping the gun here and really need to take a step back and really consider what other rules are going to be forthcoming that we don't know about yet from the state legislature cuz I know that they're copying some of the stuff that came from Colorado and California as an example and it's not all written they're trying to do it better than the rest of them and Claud is absolutely right you know I have family down in in Colorado and it it it's pretty bad but there's nothing that you're you're not going to stop it so my point is is you're better off regulating it and having the dispensaries and have the people that are there to regulate it and they're monitored by the government big time rather than hey you know what we're not going to do any dispensaries or we might just do one here you know what they do today it's it's Black Market they grow their stuff anyways you're not going to you're not going to take that away so either you deal with it in a in an orderly manner or you just let everybody grow out here no matter where they grow all right that's all I got to say thanks all right next up can you give us your name and address yeah Tom zuuk Caroll 4760 Bedford Road I grew up in Mound I was born in 62 I left in 81 joined the military and I just moved back in the fall uh I've been away from home for a very long time uh I love this town it was the best move I made moving back here I'm grateful every day except for this uh I find this disgusting I love this town um just because it's legal doesn't mean it's not a vice it's still a vice and it's still very dangerous addiction can plague any one of you anybody in anybody's family and destroy it so legalizing this stuff and making it available is uh is not a good thing in my book I'm missing two siblings due to this so any any time that you guys can stand up and muster the courage to say no not in this town or at least make it as difficult as possible uh then you're then you're doing your job that's all I have to say thank you thank you thank you give us your name and address Isabelle Brandt 3367 Warner Lane I just have a couple of rebuttal I suppose um the acronym most of us need drugs is alive today many people use it to reference this town a little bit about me I also grew up in Mound I graduated from Mound aanka High School in 2016 and then I graduated from the University of Minnesota in 2020 and I had to move back due to the economy I suppose um I need drugs FDA approved like I think the conversation around addiction and mental illness go hand inand um I've attended numerous funerals for friends that have overdosed that I went to Mound with so I think I have a really valuable point of view of what dispensaries would look like in Mound I think it would be a positive thing I don't think it would necessarily mean it's coming from cartels in Mexico I think it could easily come from alumni from Mountain I have very close friends that have gone to college for Food and Drug Administration I do want to ask if anyone here knows what harm reduction means anyone reduction it's a term it's kind of a movement actually harm reduction is I don't really know a lot about it off the top of my head but I know it's something that a lot of really big Minnesota named famous people advocate for and it's it's something that's going to go hand inand as drugs you know pop up in society so harm reduction is a proven way to reduce people overdosing or getting addicted or going down the bad path of addiction um yeah that's all I want to say but I definitely think my generation of people would have a lot to say about this topic and yeah I'm open to talking about it more good thanks yeah thank you anybody else all right give us your name and address hi everybody my name is Charlie Lacy it's 6117 Beachwood Road howdy neighbor oh hey Beachwood yeah um being from her generation as well uh I actually take the alternative stance that there are and then there definitely is a mental health depress depression multiple different mental health issues uh that are starting to surface more and more especially in people our age um I think one thing people take for granted is the fact that basic diet exercise and getting out of the house especially with Co having being a thing and people got stuck that is an a remedy for a lot of of issues that people are facing and a lot of those issues are being handled by the substitution of using drugs smoking weed you know pain painkillers a lot of other things like that um we all know these things have uh or cause problems health problems specifically I mean no one in their right mind can tell you that smoking weed is good for you outside of the fact that it gives you know a little bit of mental and potential pain relief uh specic the example I'm using is specifically for cancer patients my grandmother whose house I now live in who passed away 12 years ago died of lung cancer and she would be the first one to tell any of us that there's nothing you can smoke on this planet that is good for you um it may have specific effects that you know releve pain or you know help you escape a sad depressed state that you might be in but there's there's no reason that we need to actively open our arms to something like this in this community I mean I I grew up here as well I didn't graduate from Mound High School but I lived in the mound area all my best friends went to Mound I wanted to go to Mound um I I ended up going to college out of state and I just moved back because all my friends and family are here uh I I do think that taking a conservative approach in terms of putting in a regulation Now versus you know and that's a fair argument wait and see what the state decides to do the state can make its own you know structures or policies or whatever it needs to that's not to say that we can't change ours in the future I'm just saying right now we should probably take a conservative stance in the sense that we don't want anything rushing in that we then will have to fight to get out I would say use the Minneapolis current standard of a th000 ft for part schools anything like that um or any City municipality keep keep this out of the reach of you know obviously you have to be 21 plus to buy weed but there are other ways around it um as was said earlier Black Market all that stuff people can grow it themselves I'd personally rather have someone growing weed in their backyard than having to have a you know Dispensary on our main street here in Mound I mean there are really three cities that are on Lake minona here that have you know something to offer the citizens who all live on and around the lake wetta it's just beautiful they're very very stringent with you know who what businesses they let in they're considered a high class neighborhood in Minnesota they're considered one of the best neighborhoods in the country exceler same thing they're very picky with what goes in there their regulations are very tight I highly doubt we're going to see a dispensary popping up in either of those in the next two years like Mound potentially has the single greatest landmark in Surfside Beach in Mound a a city with almost nothing outside of the beach to offer on the most beautiful Lake in the country the last thing we want to do is take that beach and you know 500t off the beach have a dispensary that does nothing good for our community I mean I feel like I've set and I'm not going to waste any more of your time I just another point of view from our generation thanks thanks Char anybody else want do can you give us your name and address uh Mary Davis 3021 infest Lane I um I like your point Jason to wait and see what they're doing but I also think that we um need to protect ourselves in the interim and my question is if if we were to come up let's say we followed what Minneapolis did can we retract it if we found out that it was not suitable I mean can we amend our zoning ordinance I don't I'm sorry I don't have the words oh the answer is you know zoning ordinances can be amended yes so I mean it would be kind of a wait and see but let's protect ass ourselves while we're at it and and you know my my biggest concern like right now I walk around the neighborhood I know who's growing pot in their house I smell it all day long my neighbors have been growing it for years so they basically could have been one of those first people they could have busted first and now could sell it um I understand the predicament better today that you guys are under kind of a a crunch because of the that what's coming up and I appre appreciate that and I appreciate you listening to us so thank you thanks thanks mayy I'm going to leave with one last thought real quick give us your Dam this is just related to just is Jason 2345 Commerce Boulevard and and I'll give you this thought to think about as you guys chew on all of this but there are there's marijuana that you can buy today right that's not available in a dispensary that someone either's grown or has gotten from somebody right and that marijuana often times can be laced with fentanyl and the kids are dying from it right now so just think about that for a second there's other stuff that they laced marijuana with these days that it never used to be that way and it is today so the regulation with these dispenseries I think is all that more important for our youthful kids and adults for that matter because otherwise they're going to buy it they're going to buy it here anyways they're going to buy it somewhere and who knows if it's laced with fentanyl or something else that's worse that's what I'll leave you with all right thank you all right anybody else want to come up all right here and N I'm going to close the meeting there um R are you gonna come back up any thoughts from Council yeah I mean you want to hear her first yeah yeah so I guess again the reason why we're talking about this in the first place is if we don't do anything then was it July 27th well it's yeah after like the end of the July then they may start issuing licenses for manufacturers right so hypothetically anything can turn into a big cultivating plant right and and the thing about zoning too is that zoning you kind of think the of the things that can happen it may not happen but you right prepare for it so basically by doing this in the first place we're trying to restrict the access in Mound as it is with maybe one potential business coming correct I mean we're we're we're allowed to narrow it down I mean again the way the statute says is that it says you can restrict on time place and manner of operation of cannabis businesses but it even says as long as the restrictions do not prohibit okay so if we put in that thousand from Parks and schools and whatnot like Minneapolis does would we still have enough for one person to just to clarify answer that one well I mean one clarification is State Statute specifically says 1,000 ft for public or private schools yeah 500 feet for Park so I don't if Minneapolis did it I don't know how they did it cuz that's statute is 1,000 ft and 500 ft and that's the max we can do okay so I know there was references and I actually was trying to find so we're already at the max of 1,500 yes and our only concern happy to do it the only concern is by doing 1,000 is we may be creating such a buffer that someone would have the opportunity to sue the city and say you've made it so I can't operate because there is no there's nothing left I think there's one possible place um but otherwise that's our only concern is where is that right number to give us the right amount of maximizing your ability and reducing the ability for someone to come in and say we did too much so do you have the 1,500 chart so we can just yes I got like 15 of them they don't say which on they say it right up here on the zoning on the legend on the side 51,000 oh so that's the one you got up here yes that's that's the maximum that's the maximum and that one you know so hypothetically old Tonka toy you could some of bboa is available well I just closed the public meeting so you Clos public meeting the I'm sorry the public hearing public hearing yeah so public meeting's close do you want to say something real quick I sure do okay I why don't you to come up real fast just give us your name and address pardon me come up to the microphone yeah and give us your name and address real fast yeah I'm P for long I live over on edwater Drive okay I came to Mountain in 1966 to teach school I taught here for 40 years I coached hockey here for 40 years and I fought for years and really am tired of the number of people that would talk about other communities our neighbors you know and I won't mention their names but our neighbors is being better than Mound and I would say to my students and I would say to my players nonsense and I would name names of the teachers and the coaches in Mound and I don't think you can get better people than what we had in Mound as far as a number of teachers and a number of coaches and now we we're talk talking about this dog on marijuana situation I don't drink and I don't smoke part of this CU I'm too cheap okay and I don't mind saying that and I said it to my students for years and years and years but now we're talking about allowing that to come into our community when in fact some of our neighboring communities are going to say no but yet we're going to allow it to come in now I'm not as smart as this guy that's for Doon sure cuz he's in a attorney and I know how smart you got to be to be an attorney and I can't compete to him with him but I know what's right and I know what's wrong and what's right is that we do everything on this community to keep that damn marijana out of here I can guarantee you the years that I taught and coached and what a job it was to get kids to not use alcohol and not use drugs so they can play with a clear mind and come to school with a clear mind so don't tell me you don't know what you're talking about cuz I do know what I'm talking about I didn't spend 40 years in Mound teaching and coaching and I know what it takes to be a good human being and be a standup human being and go to your job every day and marijuana is not going to help us thank you for allowing me me to speak yeah appreciate it thank you amen coach Furon okay come back kids everybody's kids was he hockey yeah so the big purple that's just the whole District the just second I'm this the one one industrial this one this one yeah that is the one one industrial correct okay and this is again you said with the the 1,500 there's no other way still go to the parking lot like you said they could plop up something in the parking lot at Jubilee if you look up up here yeah well I mean the center of jubilees but but remember this is industrial we're putting manufacturing industrial and that's not industrial so even even if that we're only talking right yeah cuz even if that was a possibility and and it's they're a PUD and and even if they could do something in the parking lot they're apparently at maximum capacity with parking so it's I they're they're close if they're not at it yeah so it's they're not getting another another out building the idea of another building is Slim I mean I suppose can make a change yeah and I don't think I mean right but remember that's the retail side of it this is manufacturing and we're looking at correct me if I'm wrong but we're looking at Manufacturing in the industrial right so the only the the question is if we do 1,000 ft is you know that fairly to me I think it looks like it goes across all of the main part of the bboa building so is that going to withstand the test right in here Jason does it go over all the B building here I mean on the other is this is that's a storage on the other side yeah they could be above the whole thing in there yeah right on the trail well that's right next to the West honka hockey yeah so that I mean that's I don't like that right you guys like that well I don't like any of it I mean I'm in favor of Maximum borders and I'm not or buffers 1,500 and I'm still concerned and this me this were I may be confused if if we can only do 500 buffers for Parks 500 is the maximum parks and that still leaves a vulnerable area right where Dwayne 66 used to be we also I mean can ask a question Rita if the two circles don't completely overlap and there's a sliver on a piece of property do they still have the ability to do something um so are we talking in this area on the on by Surf Site down by Surf Site I mean one option is to not allow it on the mixed use Corridor area that big blue area I I mean that oh okay again that's why I started with the premise of if we agree on the districts that are appropriate then we decide on the buffers next and those are the dist because so if Surf Side is a concern and I know the Planning Commission brought it up then that could get removed and it only goes to the mixed use downtown area oh that that's a whole new ball game that's all different yeah sorry and we're only talking as I understand it right now we're not talking about retail we're talking well hold on so the only thing that's allowed early will be cultivation which is will be in the purple part okay but we're but because we're dealing with zoning on this we might as well look at it as a whole for the whole business so we can put this in place and not have to come back to it again right and so that's why the discussion comes up with when we're dealing with the blue mixed use areas that's the retail part okay so and I think what Ria is saying is that let's look at what zones are appropriate we don't have to have the blue meaning the mixed juice Corridor yes the mixed juice Corridor you can keep it up into the retail part up that's you know where the it's or you can just do the blue I those were that's and maybe I apologize if that wasn't communicated of you have to choose the districts and then we talk about the buffers and maybe so if we did mixed juuse downtown downtown and mixed use commercial that that that's what I would vote for Jason can I look at that really quick for a minute I'll give it right back here I'll give you yours I'll get it for you I can get I can get for not there it is that's the max where are they going to cultivate them in that industrial area in trailers for maximum uh buffers period and and I do really like the idea of not even putting the mixed juice commercial part of the mix I concerned about Surf Side park yes mu can we just say mu cuz that way it doesn't matter what the actual T should I recuse myself because I have property that would be an attorney question not General Zing like this is doesn't doesn't I don't have to recuse General okay you're totally covered up in everything all all the buffers on okay so just so I understand I'm sorry Mr laning are we only talking about zoning and an ordinance for men manufacturing and cultivating of marijuana I will say that's what's that is what spurred this whole discussion okay but we are what we're looking at as opposed to trying to peacemeal the zoning ordinance so today we deal with this then we deal with that we're looking at the whole thing so this does deal with all types of um cannabis related businesses both the retail and the manufacturing and the the growing okay can can we say let's get around these circles and kind of get that's very confusing can we just say we can we're only going to allow it at the Jubilee Shopping Center or something we can't do that yeah you have to use the buffers to well one type of Zone it would be mud and then we could zone out the rest say that again M mud it's a mixed use District right that's all that green the blue yeah no d d is the green oh I'm sorry that's that's green but that's I mean that's a lot that's a whole lot of stuff but the buffers do take most of that away buffers right I mean if that's if you look at the buffer I'm saying if you only allow it so let's just say we take out the purple Zone one one this one no one one industrial where would you put the cultivation then the i1 I'm saying can't you take out one one the i1 yes sorry that's the industrial district you can take that out but then the cultivation is going to need to be allowed someplace in the city yeah do it in the in spirits we'll never let it happen but but there's a little sliver for Harbor right I mean can't you just that's not for cultivated you don't want to cultivated it's not big enough any I'm just saying yes you can cultivate it there in other words it's never going to happen we're allowing by the way we own this building so good luck have to try to find the C well if if you did the th foot and 500 oh no that there's too many conversations I'm not sure so I'm having a trouble knowing which one to address all right so say if we look at muud only that's the greenish this one here yeah so just yes Circle right by where jubile and then down here yeah so can't we just buffer theck out of that with the rest of the circles and then say now that little piece is open basically it's Jubilee and harbor I think it takes out like hamiga and well takes out that whole strip it takes out the liquor store too it takes out it takes out the liquor store oh so it's basically it's halfway through Jubilee yeah so can't we just say well that's your opportunity right there they could do it it look like part of the um vet and the City attorney can correct me if I'm wrong you can do whatever you would like responses you're hearing from the city attorney and myself are this is what you're opening yourself up to in terms of a lawsuit so we're not saying you can't do these things it's how comfortable are you about protecting yourself from the lawsuit which is where our jobs are is to say you can do this but if you only have half of Mount Marketplace and someone came and we said great you can be in the park parking lot of Mount Marketplace maybe the vet building and Jubilee is that going to withstand a court case and that's fine I can't answer that I don't think the City attorney can but that's the that's what we're just trying to offer whatever your comfort level is I mean what we what we've told you is that we you can use zoning and you have maximum buffers deadly that's all you can do um you know we're trying to find that H you know some balance so that and you can't prohibit the operation through zoning so that and so the qu the question is which we can't answer is if you did the maximum buffers and headed into that one Zone would that be would that prohibit The Establishment I it may be a case by casee analysis if it comes up it may be something we have to address okay well I guess I would say can we do that and then get rid of the purple so does that just to confirm what I'm hearing all cannabis businesses any type in the community would only be allowed in the mixed use D downtown district which is like mile Marketplace Commerce Place stonate that area with the buffers what but with the buffers and then add the buffers but all businesses that would be where they would be so the Ed table would change to just list the mud and everything else would be prohibited and the City attorney is doing this so I assume he's looking I'm looking at the thing at the chart so but you're taking out purple and you're taking out blue which is basically the whole strip all the way down I can use my cursor so this would go away yeah this would go away and this would go away so all that's left is this area but you but that's all covered by the buffer so you can't do it anymore half of it so the only thing I can't see very well but my guess is we're only talking is this the only part left yeah I like that so okay this is the only part left and if you take a look at the chart on page 1644 um of your of the agenda the the Cannabis is different than the low potency right now you know in our licensing system we you know we have we have allow um the low potency and I think we allow it as it is right as we're proposing it here we allow it in the muud and mu right now I believe so like I I'm I'm assuming we want it and low potency is is different it's the you know it's the um drinks and the and the 5 milligram gummies and those aren't changing at all through the through the statute uh do we want to I guess my question would be you know we understand what you want to do with cannabis or that's the consensus at least that we're hearing do you want to keep the low potency the way it is today can we change it to this too or no you can I I think you can do whatever whatever you want but low potency is what we sell at is what you do right now and you and you did allow it through City Licensing yeah in those in those zoning districts so you can you can make it the statute makes a differentiates between low potency and cannabis so you can still make you can still have that differentiate that if you want um it would impact the current and I don't know I don't think we have any licenses that were issued I don't or do we do yeah yeah and I don't know how that's located with the buffers T of we did that then that would they would't be able to sell it right um but let me see the statute real quick hold on the buffers it's retails cannabis retailers cannabis mesle businesses retail operations I don't know if those I don't have the definition maybe maybe you do is a low potency in I don't think that's a cannabis retailer I don't think it's in the definition of what would be subject to the uh buffers I didn't I thought those were Ted separately I think they are cuz they just were really dealing with this High potency cannabis I mean that's what it is language we're just dealing with cannabis not hemp deriv THC right and so and yeah so I don't I think the low potency if we put those buffers in and I mean the low potency doesn't have the same uh the same restrictions or limitations I guess so that could stay the the same even with the buffers the buffers wouldn't apply okay at least that's how it's drafted and that's how the statute says might does that sound they're added in the code yeah I just want to clarify though I don't think they're technically in the code currently but this ordinance establishes them in the code yeah we had we had what we did is that we had the licensing system that said this is where you can get a we never had the zoning that so right so what we're doing is bringing the zoning code up to up to what are regulations with regard to licensing said there was a rationale for doing it that way but now that we're know zoning we're just kind of cleaning things up so this would mirror how we're operating right now so the smoke shop it wouldn't prohibit the smoke shop from THC or if I remember at one point there was a like a holistic healing place that maybe wanted to do it it wouldn't if as long as it's within that zone it wouldn't prohibit but they still tobacco shops can't sell te sell cannabis either who can't tobacco shops won't be selling cannabis no just the TC just tobacco and cannabis has to be done by uh dispensary right I mean when we talking cannabis we're talking the high potency stuff so can or there's these meeso businesses where they it's kind of like a I don't know I don't even how to describe it but it's like they grow you I you know maybe it's a place where you seen the place where you can go cook your own steak I think it's kind of like that kind of thing you know it's it's like a it's a little bit more than just a retail place but it still has a retail component to it but remember that's one for 2500 so so I mean obviously it takes the vote of the council but I think what we're hearing is discussion on the Zone the buffer and um and then I've we just informed you but the about the low potency that it just mirrors what we already have all right so does council agree with doing only the green area which is mud mixed use but then putting the 500,000 buffer into it you do is she talking making decision okay um okay can you recap for that for me again because I was more amenable to the 500 foot buffer for par public and private schools so basically all we're saying is this one on the yeah on the right side the the uh zoning we're only all those will disappear and we're only going to say you can only do mud which is the green area all the green area well but then add the th000 and the 500 buffer so basically if you have this here take this one so here's the basically that's the area they can be right there I don't know I'm not really in favor of that I'm probably disagreeing with most people but I'm more concerned with like you know most people that were here speaking tonight too it's like we're concerned with what we think we're going to end up seeing and hearing and what we're going to be dealing with every day and we're not talking about mostly just thinking about retail you know not even though we're talking about cultivation and Manufacturing and all that stuff so I'm equally as concerned with the buffer as I am with the cap which I know we're not talking about the cap tonight the one for every 12,500 but I land more on this one where it's just the blue 500 ft from schools um and then when we get to the cap having you know so whether it's in the green area or one in the purple area you don't care where it is you one 500 from school that is in the definition for a cannabis business retail limit it says shall be limited to one business per 12,500 residents so this ordinance does do this okay but cities can say we want to allow more than one which you know the concern here tonight was you know we don't want like right nine retail shops which not but right now the ordinance is one that's with the retail limit being established so you would have to actively change it to increase that number Andi and prior prior to um the retail licenses actually going into effect then we'll revisit the non zoning part of it and address the registration um and so there is how um and so what happens on that is a license will be preliminarily issued by the state sent down to the city they have then the um applicant has to register with the city and then there's a review and if it doesn't fit the zoning and we already have one mhm then it goes back up the state and they're not allowed and for me I mean looking at someone who's cultivating wants a lot of space and this is really expensive space you know like I I see the 500t makes me happy knowing that the cap is one for for retail and then if they're going to be you know cultivating or manufacturing it's still only in can't name them all but still only in that area that's just my opinion so basically I think what the consensus is that we're trying to make it the most restrictive possible with allowing that one to come in if if they have to um you know I I think if we do this and it stands then it's probably not going to have anybody and it doesn't and it should State too that regardless of the zoning of the retail and the manufacturing it doesn't impact um the usage you know so like like you said is that people people can can for personal use can grow up to eight plants on their own personal property you can you if you're over 21 you you know you can you can buy and use some alcohol so it's not going to change that aspect of it this is just strictly looking at where businesses can be located M so I'm looking at what the Planning Commission ended up kind of coming to a non-unanimous conclusion on the 8:1 of the 500 foot buffer from schools and that's it we're not doing that no so we're we're looking at this exact thing just take out all the different uh zonings on on the right side there mhm you know residential the blue the purple so help me out here which exact one are you looking at I have it in front of me 1,000 public private school bumper and then the 500 Park but then mayor Hol suggested getting rid of this area the blue area and the purple area and only allowing it in this green area which would be mud right M mud mud so it's the most restrictive okay possible at at this point right it put the pressure in there most I don't know I'm not for that because they're the only location probably people can rent so it's only half yeah it's only half that spot it's the most expensive rental property May it's basically juvilee and the vet clinic it might be the hockey place a little corner of the pond the pond yeah out in the front a lot of parking lot so well is it the pond no it's not on by the school is it yeah I think it includes half you know a quarter of it so if it shaves right in a half you can't do it right can't be like I'm going to do it on this side of the building MH I wouldn't think so I mean it's again it's going to some of this will be kind of case by case as it comes in okay well again I I say that I would do this um use only mud mixed use the green one and then do the buffer of a th000 public and private schools and 500 on the public parking or daycare I hear you so what that will change the amendment before you is a change to the definitions for the buffer changing the allowable uses table down to just the mud for all the Cannabis and medical cannabis I believe we discussed the lower potency staying how it is so that would still allow that one in other districts to mirror what's in the city's registration system does that sound right so that's 1644 that's what p in on and there was somebody raising their hand well I mean it is we're Clos again and then under the Cannabis business the regulations we would remove any reference to the industrial district or the MU District yeah so how should we make a motion for that well you can make a see make a motion to adopt with the with those changes okay I mean and then um I'm sure Kevin with the help of Rita can capture those changes that we're talking about right Kevin Council you want to try it um sure um and the motion is on page 1642 1642 let me say one thing maybe what to say is that motion to adopt um with moving all cannabis businesses to the mud so this is really making it restrictive to like that one building m one dist yes yeah one District mud and with maximum maximum uh buffers of bounded or statute so I I'll help you okay so I make a motion to move all cannabis motion to to adopt ordinance adopt see I can't find that say motion to adopt a motion to adopt ordinance amending amending chapter 129 of the mountain city code regarding zoning related to cannabis business and we'd like to move that to the mud mixed use District uh with 1, foot buffers around public and private schools and 500 ft buffers around public perk and dayc carees so just to clarify the motion if I may uh motion to adopt the ordinance a as written um moving all kind of businesses to the mud and providing for maximum uh buffers as Allowed by State Statute does that sound right yes okay yes and those are the adjustments that I had noted and then yes yeah I won't say more cuz you're in the middle of a motion I got a motion can I get a second second you you you made the motion yeah oh I did second all right we got a motion and a second any other discussion yes yeah um I had three telephone calls today with the city Borno city of Spring Park and the City of Minista Minista currently this is what I heard three hours ago minist is still under a moratorium they haven't done anything yet uh Orno is still has their moratorium Al there they haven't done anything yet Spring Park decided just not to fool with more times and they're just doing what the state is telling them to do the seven people that I counted up here at the podium I believe three of them are Minista residents they pay taxes in Minista four of them are bound residents they pay taxes here the majority of the people well the people from Mound are saying they don't want this so I think we're doing the best job that we possibly can do to keep our residents that are coming here Minista people perhaps should go to Minista and see what they're doing with their marijuana laws I'm done I have a question what was the moratorium like exactly that they had I they just said they have the moratorium which I think what no with I I think that's what we did you that's it's a little bit different under once they pass the new laws you're allowed to have a moratorium up on Canabis businesses to the end of the year I think the end of this year um but it and then you still have but it's the thing is that it's July ju I mean it's it's coming I mean but whether you're doing here you're not I mean it's limited as you said manufacturing is going to require a large space so the moratoriums that I'm aware of were done in places particularly where they were concerned that cultivation was more of a possibility because of the nature of the community they are most of those communities are talking about it right now and working towards having it everybody was hoping that the model ordinance would be available to do that and that was one of the big reasons to do the moratorium is to let the office of cannabis management kind of create this and because of the change of the state legislature that's why we needed to move faster um otherwise we we would have looked at it in the same time frame as everyone else um but this forced us to do it a little bit sooner um and we can if something happens with that model ordinance that is a benefit to you we certainly will bring it back and make an adjustment to the code this doesn't have to be the end but this does put at the best protections and that's all we're looking for is for you to be able to have those protections that you want in place and I may say too remember you there there's this we're dealing with the manufacturing part but we're looking at it as a whole goal at this point um there's no you can't get a retail license right now um the legislature is done so that's not going to change um the one of what I'm what one of the things that the model ordinance is supposedly supposed to cover will be the registration part so this will be coming back at a certain point and it would be and we're hoping to get model ordinances if not some cities I have have already adopted it because they adopted the registration and the zoning prior to even knowing what the legislature was going to do because I saw everything coming down and they were like we got to get on this so I took you know mostly took looking at it is that I knew that there could be time to like we are right now to work within a window to get something adopted and I said too the the league is recommending adopting some form of dising ordinance so hopefully that helps thank you so one last comment um um we you know all of us have to do what we think residents want us to do right I mean that's why we're here whether they show up or not um how many you show up from our town or you know the West Tonka area we get a lot of that yeah um again this is this is something that in the spring remember we had um representative Myers I remember reaching out to us and saying is this what you guys want I I think he reached out to all of us and said hey you know you guys are going to lose local control is that something you want that's where we need to fight as a council here but also up the level or two we need to fight at the state to make sure that we're being heard locally and they're at the state stripping that away from us and there's you know it is what it is but remember that in November so we're doing what we can to make this this most restrictive whatever happens happens but unfort sorry we don't want in our town you can go to the next town over or the next one after that and I'm sure you can buy your stuff over there so anyway I got a motion I got a second any other comments all right uh all those in favor please say I I I those oppos n all right so we got four to one all right so that passes thank you for that and then are we doing 1646 too yes there is a resolution by title in summary that means that we don't have to put the entire ordinance into publication um so that is and that's required to have four um members vote in the affirmative to that that summary that we prepared is sufficient that's what that's about we will need to make a modification as you know because the summary talks about adding it into the mixed you C district and the industrial district um so those two things will need to be removed from that summary so I think uh you know motion to authoriz the resolution authorizing it with the notation of removing the references to the mixed use S commercial um and Corridor and now I started uh industrial districts would be helpful and he can say to be consistent with the adopted ordinance okay or see what the attorney said yeah Council you want to do that one again I'm not very good at these but um I make a motion uh authoriz author authorizing publication by title and summary pursuit to Minnesota statute 4121 91 subdivision 4 of an or ordance amending chapter 129 of the mountain city code regarding zoning related to cannabis business to be modified consistent with the adopted ordinance okay that sounds good modified with the adopted zoning ordinance all right good good like that yeah uh we got a motion can I get a second second all right motion a second any other discussion all those in favor please say I I those oppose n all right so we got four to one that passes so thank you guys for all your help and everything showing up and thank you for providing these Maps were really helpful with all the various that busy can't all right to the fun stuff number seven we got approval of bid for downtown paper sidewalks replacement project group two Matt is that a first fun stuff F that's how I usually feel when I'm here yes uh thank you bayor members of the council I'm at Balman city engineer on June 27th so a little while ago now we we held bids for the downtown P sidewalks group two project so this is the Final Phase just little lot of sequence here we had seven bids the low bidder was create construction with $370,000 92925 cents um and they were roughly 50 little over little over 50% lower than the engineer estimate and 84% lower than the high bid they did do last year's project and they were um definitely a responsible and responsive contractor so we recommend awarding bid to them and then the the county has seen the the numbers and they are they've agreed they're going to participate in the their portion of it so that going to be a little over half of the project as well so once we get all of those pieces put together we'll get going on construction you have a you have any questions for me otherwise you have a resolution approving the bid all right just have any question no just glad to see it getting done I rode my scooter over the weekend and it was pretty bumpy and I thought I was going to break down the thing because uh someone was watching me they said that's really rough because I was like all over the place but good project to come forth yeah uh remember a couple years ago with inflation going nuts remember that and I think I made a comment like well can I always just wait wait yeah nobody liked that comment it worked out anyway look at this all right so okay what we got a motion or a resolution does someone want to make that um I will make a resolution authorizing final quotes and proceeding with replacement of Marian Lane waterm project 2413 no this isn't Maran this is the side whoops uh 15 or 16 I listened to you I just read it was like anchor man I just read what was in front of me 40 nice 4 you can just look at there will read whatever is in front what whatever he says um accept make a resolution accepting bid for downtown paper sidewalks Public Works project 24-8 all right got a motion can I get a second second all right any other discussion all those in favor please say I I I those oppos all right that passes okay the next one you got Marian yeah thank you mayor members of the council Matt Bowman city engineer this one is a little different it's kind of hold on a second what asking if she should recruit because it's on her sorry okay sorry go ahead um do we want to say what just happened so the public knows oh um uh council member Larson just ask if uh there's a conflict of interest because of location of her business property um to this project um I told her that I in reviewing it um based on either uh uh statutory conflict of interest or common law conflict Adventures I didn't see one so good all right thanks go ahead okay um so you all know that the aresta development is well underway and getting close to completion so there are some pieces of that project that we needed to expose the water main that runs on Mar Lane at least the the North and South piece that's on the project there so what we' found within the last couple um excavations we'll say is that the the main is in pretty poor shape and there are some joints that have that have lead seals on them um so with those two things that we found and then the fact that the roadway is going to be you know brand new and completely rebuilt when they're done we we started looking into you know what it would cost to replace this main um we feel that we need to to make a move now to get it replaced digging through the as builts the record drawings um it's it's doesn't even exist in any of them as far as like when it was put in so we're assuming this is one of the oldest Mains in town and so we' talked to a few contractors we've got some idea of the price some quotes um so we're looking to get approval to proceed with um finalizing quotes and spending up to about $100,000 to to get this work done and then we do that in an efficient manner we don't have to pay for the full Street you know part of it only part of it is there now um and then the developer is really responsible for for putting most of it back and so we can do it for roughly $100,000 now if we waited and tried to do it all on our own open cutting it's probably going to be double that amount and then as for funding it um we' propose foregoing the um cast iron pipeline assessment line that's in the capital Improvement plan which was $880,000 so it's a a little bit more than that amount estimated right now uh but pretty close so it would um it it should come up you know about in that range so we are asking to finalize get finalize quotes and proceed with construction on this so that we can do it you know kind of quickly and stay within the art test stay closely within our testa's completion of of getting that street done as well I have a couple of questions and what's the $80,000 thing you just replaced it with was that going to go in the same area no it it's pretty broad it that was a a line we put in there a few years ago where we we were going to start you know looking at sections of town that have the old cast iron Mains and just so we can get a hand on what that's going to look like and getting that in the get the capital Improvement plan eventually um that spread out there's so that's a repeating item for like the next five years and so we haven't touched it yet and it just makes sense that let's get some of the worst cast iron repl place while we're while we're there and that's a good tradeoff okay I I have a couple of questions cuz um actually I I guess I missed this but when when artessa did their first presentation to us I thought that they were taking on Marian Road and that Marian was going to actually go into their their parking their open parking as an access to their underground and so when they put in the the I guess what I'll call the temporary new pavement and it curves it it does not enter into the Essa property at all but but they are responsible now for putting that road back correct uh Jesse can you go back of the figure there because I'm I guess what I'm trying to get at is what is Maran road is it really a road or is it an alley because there's no address on it um you know it's to the back of the properties on Commerce and and it's not going into the aressa property and you know it swings out and comes out into Commerce creating two driveways or three driveways actually yeah right after each other it's not pedestrian friendly so it it's going to be widened out to a full Street withd there and then the um the fire department is kind of relying on that close access as well for our one one of the pieces around there so when our test is done so you know they've cut off Auditors and this becomes their their drive and parking area this part of Auditors is going to um kind of wrap up and connect to Marian lane and then there's a piece here that we're not proposing to do anything with right now but so from here up this is all going to be brand new I can't really see it but that's that's okay no it's it's my vision isue from Auditors all the way up to Old Shoreline so you're saying that Maran will go into Auditors yeah they're going to they're adding in a a piece here to connect it all so right now this is um right now they have it curved so they're taking out that curve and I haven't been over there in a few days I'm not exactly sure what like exactly been a couple of weeks since I was over there last it's not connected to Harbor place right now it's curved like you said still yeah so yeah they're going to end up adding a piece and so so we are taking it as a city street it's going to be our responsibility it is a city Marian Lane is a city street right now which they are replacing it and rebuilding it because of the work that they had to do they had to replace some sanitary sewer in there and that's part of their project so right now it's where where the street exists right now it's was it's half built and they did that over the summer or over the winter so that it be plowed and then they have to finish that construction yet so so it's not even complete anyways that helps keep the cost down for us getting in there to do I saw it as being a temporary Road at this point I mean I think it makes sense to go ahead and do the um the the the piping work before Paving it you know because I hate the fact that you put down New Street and then go and dig it up a year um but I guess I was just concerned that it seems like it's a street that doesn't have a function and you know is should should we be thinking about that differently in other words not have a street there well yeah or or classify it as an alley um it is small or you know or if if it's an alley you know could you squeeze parking on there since parking is always an issue you know put half take one lane and make it diagonal parking kind of like what they're doing at the library I think we'd have to revisit a lot of the um the parts of the planning with artessa and then as far as the fire um code and stuff there with that review and I I don't remember all those details off the top of my head so do you think would this be kind of part of what we do across the street like all the parking you know the the stuff that we clean up behind the buildings on the west side of Commerce would it be part of that District that we the Public Works takes care of I don't know if I'm I don't know if I can answer that I'm not sure what conversation talking about um we we currently do plow it and we we maintain it so um I think Matt and I are both here tonight because the biggest thing is we found multiple lead joints yeah and to keep the water main going we need to remove that you know as soon as possible so that that's the biggest biggest this is that we we found enough evidence multiple joints that the whole section there is going to have to be replaced yeah and I I get that part and I I support that I'm just thinking about in the long term that we have this street that now we're having to maintain an ongoing basis and what is its functionality for the city which it's really it's I think it's really more this is really more of a question to our um not not our Testa what is it life what what's there devel Essa know well it's Essa is a development but it's Life Source lifestyle lifestyle communities yeah well it's providing right away over our pipe so you have access to to that and it Loops that whole block so this pipeline does this pipeline service Essa I'm sorry this pipeline that we're going to replace the joints does IT service the artessa building the the only um the only property that this one specifically has a service off of is the the ice cream shop right now but it is but it Loops though so that helps keep you know better water for the other buildings around in the future y the more dead ends that we create the more water issues we see so we want to keep it moving mhm so what you're saying right now is that where Maran Lane is right now and it used to curve up to join Commerce that's not going to it's not going to join Commerce anymore Maran Lane no it will this isn't changing going front Okay this is not changing they're they're just cutting out um what's it called now Harbor Place har yeah they're cutting cutting Harbor Place out okay and this is going to turn up and connect to a Varan as well okay so how wi if it's a city street how wide do city streets have to be and the reason I'm saying it's it is so narrow back there and like Sher was saying I think in the long you know the dinosaur days it was like an alley cuz it was so narrow back there but I don't I don't think you can have two-way traffic on that street so are there any plans on widening that the yes it's going to be widen from what it was um it's basically going to the roadway is going to be the full width of the RightWay that's left in okay so and I think it's 24 ft is it going to impact the ice cream shop is that no that well that side is staying the same that's the what that that side is staying the same that's the edge on that side okay that's the edge on that yep so but it's still going to feel narrow yeah it's not it's not normal our normal city streets are 28t wide I think this is 24 which is the the sense because when I drove it even blind like the roads on the island narrow okay uh someone want to make a motion for this could try to redeem [Laughter] myself let's see read off the screen this time res I'd like to make a resolution finalizing quotes proceeding with replacement of Mar and Lane water M all right got a motion can I have a second second okay got a second any other discussion all those in favor please say I I I those oppos uh Mr Mayor I I would like to make a comment to Public Works uh and you may be already working on this um right now the ice cream shop has some barriers and you know people are sitting out into the street and I know they have a zero lot line it's it's a really thriving business it's clearly an attraction point for the town because when every time I go there there are people from all over coming there and so I would hope that we could try and work with them on figuring out a more beautification um Improvement to accommodate their needs for their customers I think there are two parking spots that they basically have taken and are using that for um parking bikes and stuff but if maybe we can work with them on how to improve that and also make it safe for people going into marry him because the turn is right there um so that that's just something for the future I do know that that's been a temporary thing and they've had to be moved multiple times around due to construction but I'll take it back to Jesse and we can work with them and figuring out a solution moving forward okay thank you so did you vote yeah yes okay so it was 5 to zero right all right so that's approved okay um thanks thank you all right number nine we got city council 20204 priorities M your check-in I know we're getting late but yeah we put it on here so uh are you able to modify this like and make it green or do you want to just write a note for later I I should just make a note for later I word so well just yeah um again number one obviously one of our main main priorities is water getting the water treatment plant down the road and getting funding so we did get the 10.3 the comment there I need to release that remember this is done earlier in this year 2024 we did get that released and now that it is released we're trying to um design and do water main work which again we've already I think we voted on that last time or the time before I think it was last time yeah um so we're you know we're on the way there we also got another 957 I think thousand from the federal side uh the 26 million from the 2024 bonding Bill we did not get because nobody got anything they didn't do a bonding bill so I would just scratch that as red but I think that we do need to be diligent and whoever our new elected people are is to get them to one vote for a bonding bill right so that we can get money from the bonding Bill yep so I think it's kind of dual progress there so I know you and uh some of the other council members you've been down there um as well as you know using your contacts with people you know as well as us and we're trying you know we're trying to do what we can to you know get the right people down there but you know of course our just two people you know Senator and um Rapids you know there's so many other people so yeah we're going to keep fighting and yeah they got to vote so that colleagues will support them right right in funding so you know again we'll look at this next year but probably going to say you know 2025 down the road but anyway we're going to scratch that one because we didn't technically do it but we nobody got it so anyway uh look into the economic development whatever grants to community um we are constantly doing that with uh Bolton The Mink they they have uh as they hear things they'll you know let us know and submit on our behalf um so again I'd I kind of call that as a green personally let say we had a problem with that uh lobbyist we shot to next season again really we're the lobbyist we're lobbying for our city and lobbying our people but again maybe next year if we want to re bring that back up we can do that testing for magines we already did that um and we did talk about that back at the water um meeting back in March I think it was the state of the water you can see that on YouTube um still they're still high uh budget so this will be a big thing coming up here um in the next few months with the Buddy uh budget committee buddy committee um and uh so we've talked with our city manager Jesse of you know he has new eyes coming into the city and is there anything that you know hey we were kind of doing something you know before maybe we you know is there other ways to do that I'm give you know we're giving them a little grace period because he's trying to you know get up and going on everything but um that'll be a big thing that I'm going to kind of be pushing as we go through the budget here um as we look into next year's any other ways that we can you know do that so I would still maybe kind of keep that uh unchecked because we're going to do that in the in the summer here do you have a ballpark schedule for like one the first first budget committee meeting might be it's going to come fast here yeah it should be in the next month okay um pretty much August all of August we're going to be okay chatting not July 25th no is that you're gone or it's just like this one Thursday that yeah we won't do it that day uh the water bill monthly you know we kind of flirted with that kind of talked about it and again with a couple residents that came or I guess business owners that came uh this this earlier today again that's kind of why I wanted a monthly thing because by the time you get your bill after a quarter no I think they do get a monthly though right with businesses I believe it's still all quarterly they quar okay so you know by the time you get it you're like holy crap you know oh I have a leaky toilet again I would say put that as red though because we did not do that we did not put that part of our long-term financial plan at think it's somewhat wanted out there but at the same point like I pay my uh payment through like my bank on a bill pay and I just literally do just you know a certain amount every month and then I pay the the you know the overage as a secondary so I kind of budget it monthly anyway so I guess I we can teach people to do that but I would put that as we at or we're not doing any work long-term Financial plans we're not adopted but we're completed with that uh utility and then we got their last presentation communication website um again with the website that's kind of a yellow we're you know working on it per se and I know Council m m has a lot um of time and energy spent with with mag as well and different vendors so it is in process we're working on it um so that's good Facebook is is is official last fall um I do see Maggie putting stuff out there all the time um if any of the council or even residents want to put something out there um just let let us know and we can you know if it's appropriate we can maybe throw it out there uh just on that I don't know if you guys saw it but we have an uh Olympian a student to be Olympian um they reached out to me and said you know it'd be nice if we did something and I actually offered to have them come to the meeting tonight um but I'm I mean they're probably busy doing things but uh so I think they're going to do a sendoff this we week and then you know you can look for her uh is it Sarah Bacon there's two of them one was from our city and one wasn't it's bacon and cook like cooking bacon um anyway look for them but uh yeah that was on there Instagram is up and live we got that going um this fire department thing should be green I'm pretty sure we did that lior star I think same thing we did that it wouldn't hurt to do it again though I mean just hey just want to make sure you guys follow our City site I don't think that should be just a onetime deal but maybe have if you want to reach out to Maggie and just be like hey shoot it out you know every six weeks or something or whatever uh meet the staff Wednesday I know we were kind of putting that on hold a little bit for uh Instagram for one thing but then also um if I remember right it was kind of like the new website and stuff too right well it's all done I just need to get pictures like I think I'm meeting with the whole okay we've got all the questions yeah so pretty soon that'll be green correct we were waiting for Instagram because it's going to be a great Instagram post nice okay so that should be so i' leave it maybe yellow until we do it but the fire and the liquor store should be green newsletter again we we added the four pages we're doing our best there Park feature whole works uh digital newsletter again this is all i' I'd put that almost up with the website stuff because we're going to try to once we upgrade our website then we're going to you know do all that uh Surf Side park that's all done we did the the renting from the park we looked at ordinances and um the jet ski stuff so that's all done Harbor Park um just talked about that last week getting new bids um again big thing of for me personally was I want I want the whole thing done you know kind of at the same time you know so we go into like the New Year again that's phase one there's two two or three phases that you know whenever we do those U but at least phase one will be done Danny L's gone hopefully uh the funding we I'd put that as green because it's the 700 that we got from the uh uh the land in the first place but then also the funding we put that in the longterm financial plan for the phase two and three so I would call that green renaming the park we just did that so that's good adding to the Andrew sister sh I personally would say that's a done deal because we are adding with the pathway but yeah I don't know if you meant more than that but we are adding you know from the trail up to kind of like Dakota Trail right that concrete walkway um in phase one yeah but we're also looking at going all the way around Los Lake okay following Wilshire and um Jesse I met with Jesse and the staff about that and we have to talk to henen County because those are henin County roads but so that don't you know do that done yet right we work on that okay we working on it good uh crosswalk installed hopefully this year um it look like they're doing get getting things done so yeah I saw they got a lot all these other pork chops along the road um so that's a good sign for us uh the trail to put up signs and local businesses you guys are working on that way finding in Parks um so that stays that as is age friendly the grant did we ever hear by the grant we didn't get the grant that was written for Parks but we're looking at age friendly grants are going to come out in July okay the request so we're looking at that actually we cab got an age friendly Grant last year I found out so we did have a grant in the community so at least we appy for it unfortunately didn't get it but we can maybe do it again next year yep public Works director done Ryan uh quote enforcement I mean again I think we kind of did a lot of that didn't we Scott that's ongoing by Nature ongo I mean I'm still working with regard to the the the um minist of citation part that we talked about um still open that together but it's ongoing and um never ends yeah so I would say we are and remember we did tighten that up and how we respond right after three or whatever so I would call that yeah ongoing or you know done or whatever you want to call it uh I will say the housing insor thing uh we use who again we used minspect who sold to Safe build y so our contract with minck goes through the end of the year and we've been I would say cautiously looking around because we've got some new faces and things but yeah um so right now it is technically safe built but it was Min spe okay and just kind of a background on that some of the people that were in there and I heard some stuff over the the last couple years of they weren't exactly happy with some of the people that were part of that they're not at least dayto day there right or they're sold to a different group so that that's a good thing I think cuz that was I heard that um uh but second of all it's doesn't ever hurt to just bid our contract in the first place so I know we talked about you know by the end of the year you use your judgment if you think we should bid or not but you know I know there's other inspectors out there um but again if you really like this new group and you think we're getting a good deal then I'm open to that too uh I would get rid of the workshop because again I think we've already we kind of did that in the live meeting anyway uh m of the year we're going to do that we already did it um we're going to announce it again in this next newsletter in August um so I would all that's done uh Jason yeah that's a whole thing is done tree lighting I know you guys are working about working on that we just talked about that last was that a workshop or two weeks ago two weeks ago so I know you you guys are working on that um in our new park uh you know again I'd imagine it's got to be done by November middle of November when we have this um but we're looking you know Light walk through display kind of a deal if work with Public Works creating some kind of walkth through thing get some lights it doesn't have to be crazy the first year but you know there's something nice that we could do do a fire pit you know that kind of thing um so I'd put all that as yellow I guess that we're working on it email signatures um you guys did all that right as staff yes um I know I said include piics I don't think anybody has pictures but at least you all have you know all consistent now consistent dish at least you have something I don't know if it all says the same look but it does uh there might be some maybe some font issues here and there but right there's a format okay um and customer service obviously is an ongoing thing but you know thing that we're you always striving to to do St water update that's all done like we talked about development um I talked to Jesse about remember back when right the day that we did the moratorium remember there was some developers that wanted to come in here and like of all the times you could have picked you know the day that we do the moratorium so I said Can You Reach back out to any of these people and just so he's kind of had some struggles with Sarah trying to reach out to the or I guess on his own so then he had asked Sarah hey can you help me try to get you know if if these people own the land we're sending them a letter you know well I don't know we're not know if they're getting it have good contact information I know they came here and talked we know when they did but if they're listening to this you know we're we want develop in our town so come talk to us um storm water I think we we kind of rited this out we're not going to do this um talked about it with Public Works uh our new Public Works director as well and just not something we're going to take this year not not going to do it for now uh spirit of lakes tent we're definitely doing that um in the next uh couple weeks here um did we cut is that the end I know we had more oh there it is uh oral Police Department beut Lake calls been interesta look at the contract uh I would say that see the homeless problem social worker had put as either green or yellow I mean we're always that's an ongoing thing that we're working with them um but I will say A and B we just had a a workshop this tonight and um that's just something that we're you know kind of exploring our contract comes up the end of this year for our oral Police Department we're fully supportive of oral we love the police um as a city we do want to look at you know is there other options that we can look at with other places or doing their own thing or whatever but again very very uh first steps per se on that but we just did that tonight um more to come on that 16 City contributions to organizations I guess we didn't really do that per se but I know that came up with like the barrel thing or you know do we have like a Max that we would give organizations that they come for us you know for for money we could almost put the you know like a water thing just like what just happened tonight you know do we give him just you know some um leeway you know on what he can do I mean how much can you spend a day I mean you can spend a lot of money uh we talked about that the other day there's technically per this the uh purchasing policy I think it's 25,000 or something before granted I got to have uh Noah sign off on it right uh but you know statutory requirements and all that with quotes and things would prevent me from getting overzealous but um that this is actually interesting because if the skat Park came up two weeks ago as well yeah and we had a conversation with um Michelle the the skate park owner about looking for ways to help local groups use public facilities in charitable ways that would be outside of the normal scope of our public lands permits so I think that for what it's worth this is sort of still being worked on even if it wasn't being done directly so okay I don't know how you want to categorize it but yeah I mean that's that's fine um so I would just say like we're working we're kind of working on that but again if you want to be more specific about what exactly we should and shouldn't do and then you can at least point to you know hey this is what we've done in the past this is what our new way of doing it uh a versus B number 17 we've done that we decided not to go farther on changing how we are uh starting a council meeting at 6 instead of 7 and workshops so far have been at 5 so we've been here since 5: so four um but you know so far so good right uh Redevelopment um I guess we really haven't done that per se I guess I don't know who add of that but you remember anyway that that were not technically doing for say we're letting kind of the businesses come and do their own thing so I put that as for now almost like a read like we're not really going to even go down that road right now what do you well we're I mean we're always identifying blight especially when it's reported to staff and um that's sort of part of your code enforcement um section as well but um there's a couple projects one that was uh here for a council introduction two months ago that I would consider light light Redevelopment but um oh the Commerce project yeah I mean that which one's that the Commerce those um Condos for three building three fores three fourplexes oh yeah yeah well right now that's grass but if they extend it yeah I'm being generous yes okay well then let's go do a yellow that's good I think we've been worn down on the Williams building we've been talking about it for so many years yeah and it's still there all right well and I know I don't know how much you can or can't say on that but you say nothing you can't say anything on it okay that I will say that uh for informational purposes um it's getting close to getting at least the hazards condition part of it getting wrapped up okay I will say that it's but I always but I I've been feeling close for a year and a half consistent yeah we've been feeling close since yeah yeah since since fall and I got on Council that years ago so call that a yellow then um and there's other you know properties and stuff that I've I know I've had people or developers say you know interested kind of thing but it you know it has to come together so okay well let's do that so here's your shot um remember we kind of did this in the you know winter you know kind of right into the new year per se is there anything that we're missing here when you guys think about what else should we be doing right now what should we we be adding I know there's other things that we're probably working on that's not on this but like maybe what's a new topic that we're missing that yeah that's a lot you know I'm thinking of where are we with this building and selling it did we look into the title value any of those things um yes looked at the title valuation I have I think I found somebody who works for CBRE okay um he asked for information from me okay that's what these are so the I haven't even looked at these but Kevin thank you so I I I have pictures I don't know how much he needs to kind of get started on it but he just emailed me back and said yeah can you it's somebody I happen to go to undergrad with who works who's a vice president at CB so can you put number 20 as Centennial Building um any new ones that like again when we leave here and we go gosh this is bugging me why aren't we talking about this at city council here's your shot and if you can't tonight I mean just bring it next time but well I ran into a gentleman recently I spoke at um conference on isolation and he is with a group called um I'm not going to remember their name but anyway they they're a nonprofit and they will help seniors do um um adjustments to their homes for sustainable living like they'll help build ramps for free and things like that and having door knocked and you've done it too Jason you know the conditions of many of our houses in the frontways and I thought might be worth exploring with his organization if they could allocate and make maybe make a commitment that they do 10% of their work in next year in Mound helping people build ramps or doing easy access into their homes some of it's just replacing door knobs instead of knobs having handles that turn or um you know they they don't build chair lifts but you know they can certainly do in exterior ramps and adjustments like that to help f um just be able to live in their homes more sustainably so they so that could be a nice program where it wouldn't necessarily cost us money because they they get Federal money they got money from HUD before they had like a $2 million dollar to do this program Statewide so what do you want to call that on 21 what's the title then Live Well at home that's what they call it Jesse Live Well at home and then can you work with Jesse to figure out next steps if if what what that would look like okay any anything else all right well let's uh you got to read so we're going to move on to the close session number 10 city manager review attorney's going to read a thing okay so um the city of Mound or the city council for mound will be holding a closed session pursuant to Minnesota statute section 13 d05 subdivision 3A of the Minnesota Government data Practices Act to evaluate the performance of the city manager staff is asking for a motion to close this meeting for the performance evaluation pursuant to the Minnesota Government data Practices Act okay so can I get a motion to close uh the meeting so move okay and a second I got two motions second okay second uh any discussion on this uh once we close here we'll go back into the um conference room just just Council attorney and then is it just that or are we having Kevin or no no we don't um because we're going to do the recording yeah someone give me a recording a recorder okay and then we should probably turn off the video he will okay and we'll go into the well hold on that's a motion I got a second all those in favor please say I I those opposed all right we're closed for this we'll be back we need to move in there all right I'm going to open back the meeting for our city council meeting it's Tuesday July 9th and it's uh uh 9:58 p.m. uh we were in a close session to evaluate the city manager's uh performance and a review of our city manager and uh outcome was good uh he passed the review and we're GNA bump his salary uh to the year one table that uh that is on the city manager uh table site and uh in January he'll go to the the year two um table all right um so we're gonna I have my agenda now uh so now on number 11 we're going to go to comments and reports from Council Members council member Pew okay well um I did um contact UM commissioner Kevin Anderson from henan County we had had I think several of us have gotten calls from members of some of the condo associations who've had challenges with the appraisals on their units so I did get a um a response from Kevin he's pulled together some information and he's willing to do a conference call or a meeting with those residents to talk about what possible remedies they might have um and approach roaching getting their assessments redone I also talked to him about um the crosswalk needed at the trail on Commerce and also I brought up the fact that for the library the kids who were in my neighborhood were directly you know I'm directly east of the library on Commerce that all of the kids from my neighborhood have to cross Commerce which is kind of dangerous and that we need a crosswalk either at um balam or tonkawood and so he said he would also look into that he he said that he's going to be focusing more on um senior community in the next year and he's also going to be stepping up um putting articles in the newspaper about things that the counties he's going to be doing more Outreach um uh information work in the next year so that was good to meet with him um let me think what else did I have um oh with the um following up to you know I talked about us um looking at becoming more of a a attraction Center for Family tourism so I did get a contact name in henpen County Mr Hernandez who's part of the um he's part of the office of Minnesota tourism and he works with hennipen County cities and so I have a call in to him to meet with us hopefully we can get him to me with City staff and talk about what are some of the key components you need to look at if you're trying to build a tourism industry so those are my activities okay uh con um well uh the only thing I have to report is the Fire Commission meeting out St B that uh Jesse you and I uh attended today so I'm going to let you talk about it oh okay all right Council magany uh just a reminder that uh music in the park is this Thursday from 6: to 8 at surfite all right and this the steel drums right Ste oh I heard me yes it's the pan Handler drum that's what it is yeah I remember uh going on the boat or something on last year and I I heard that interesting um great my computer just okayo U I don't have anything just uh a request for Jesse on the Harbor Wine and Spirits report Ron used to include like the year-to date info for sales can you have them put it back in yeah it's interesting it's not on there they're doing great I just was noticed that the year the month to date was there but the year to date's not yeah and then maybe got cut off but I got nothing okay um so on just on the the fire department we uh we met with I think all the mayors of each of the cities that we our fire department currently serves as well as some council members and city managers uh or administrators I guess and uh yeah we just we were I guess Outsourcing uh a gentleman from the state uh fire board or something Fire Marshal Fire Marshall yeah um and he gave us a presentation and uh just you know if we go down this road and kind of you know the positive negatives the feelings that you might have you know one way or the other but um a couple we got meetings I mean monthly I guess and some couple in a month uh over the next you know till the end of the year basically um to kind of just see what this could look like if if we want to go down this road um again just a couple of my notes uh the volunteered paid on uh paid that we that we have you know they're uh you know page to the station when when they you know report whereas career uh you know they're staffed and um you know paid it's a career you know it's like that's what they do for a living uh and then we have duty crew and in Duty Crew we and again word is volunteer but Duty Crew does some some hours that they would actually live you know how many hours a night or so many per month at the fire department and kind of be the first to go so you know again one of the parts of why we're looking at this is kind of taking some of the pressure off the guys uh or I should say the staff uh the fire um group um Mutual Aid and auto Aid I mean some of these are topics we already know about but Mutual a is where um they kind of back each other up um typically it's a it's like an8 hour thing so if we get to a fire and we're called on the mutual Aid uh button we have to go help them out 8 hours is free it's just you know next time maybe they get us uh that's 8 hours total That's not including per you know firefighter you know each person has so many hours of what they're doing and our equipment whatever but it's you know it's eight hours eight physical hours uh and then after that then you can kind of charge for you know your time and and what you what you use so there's a couple ways that we can go about this and again a lot of this is way too far down the road that we're not really want to talk about right now but um anywhere from what's wrong with what we're doing all the way to you know let's change everything you know kind of how we're doing it but um one big takeaway too is the the staff um you know the the fire department you know pretty much everybody has according to Chief Peterson has been talked to about this potential change down the road for 10 years he said um it's somewhat expected that it's you know could happen potentially um and you know a lot of from what it sounds like you know people are on board with it you know with at least the possibility of you know this new way to do it so the average time which we found out tonight is a five-year process from start to finish so that was a little bit of a eye roll up for I think for both of us cuz you're like oh my gosh you know and part of it's you know it's time and energy for us but also staff and you know Greg and you know a lot of people so you know if we want to do this we want to make sure we're going down the right path making a good decision and I think through maybe towards the end of the year we'll know a little bit better about where we're you know if this makes sense if and the big other takeaway is why why are we doing this what's the point of it what's in whether it's our city or any other cities that you know team up for this we got to be able to explain to our residents why are we changing what's the point why are we changing what we got everything's working fine well is it you know we got to explain the why um so anyway so that's that uh more to come on that um can you pull up those pictures that so as you probably know the the we put in a three-way stop deal uh it was so hard to turn left um so we we did that so you'll see cones and stop signs everywhere um but this is the the other update where uh henan County after how many years of complaining um I think they they finally heard it and good bad other the the rules of the past was always you do not stop and you keep going and they got to you know the the people TR Crossing have to figure it out and kind of wait for their turn now this says you do need to stop um I've asked Jesse to reach out to henan county of here's a new sign it's great you know every but you know they're doing their thing listening to music and they don't know the new rules and right so like we need to put some kind of major thing here I mean I know we got major things all over the town but that's going to be dangerous do they still have the stop sign on the trail yes yeah yeah okay so so technically people should be stopping both but the the reason this is frustrating is you know people stop in the middle of the road you don't have to now they're going to be bolting right through it and running people over I think this is really dangerous so this change yeah so we're I think they should have made a huge gigantic stop at the trail that's what we're doing on the other side right Shoreline this is as of right now the answer for this remember we talked about this a couple weeks ago that was a missed opportunity but but I I don't think this is the right solution I think it's I wouldn't let my kids I'd say never cross that street stop and make sure there's no cars coming I would never trust yeah the traffic here so I think it's a messaging thing of how we get the word out that this has changed again there's the bike thing there with the person right and that's always been there right and that's over on Shoreline as well this new thing is that you know that you got to stop and you see the line that they painted right yeah which is Comfortably away from the crosswalk it's going to be a learning curve because it's been completely different people were trained you don't stop and you keep going and hon corn at people now it's going to be no this is a crosswalk so again what I've asked Jesse to do is we need some kind of flasher thing right you know when we changed over on three uh the island yeah you know we did the flasher on the stop sign thing I don't know how you can figure that out but we need something more an alert thing here um so if you can I know you've already looking into it but um Again part of this is the county we don't it's going through our our town but the county just it's their Road they'll do what they want so we don't we can't be like we'll take that down that's stupid I guess we can try but um I I I just I I I worry about kids on their bikes absolutely that's all I just so I hope if nothing else this helps over time that you know when you are crossing I mean I I've been at it a few times now where people have stopped and I do worry from Walgreens coming this way that it's just going to jam up you know that whole deal but the other way I'm not that as worried about but anyway so I just wanted to I know you guys have all seen this but just I think it's longer term it's going to be a win because this was needed in some aspect it's just going to be a retrain of everybody's brain that goes through this intersection so we're going to throw in the newsletter we're put it on social you know we're going to try to get the word out you know I'm saying it now so maybe it hits the paper who knows but um anyway look look look for that do you have that other thing that I U papers yeah so remember IID mentioned the P the bricks you know downtown yeah and how you can't read any of them so I walked down there the other day I I don't know if you guys can read that but I can I can almost not read so the guy look at the one on the right right you can see the one on the left tell me if you can read any of that I me it's prettyy in better shape than others right so I've asked Jesse to give me a master list of well not well he gave it to me I didn't really need it but I said find a master list find all these people that donate all this money so I you guys can get it too if you want but there's an Excel spreadsheet of each year and the different phases of what when they did this I think the one question I have still or me we're trying to find it still is what does all that say cuz it's we got the checks you know we got oh this person gave 75 this one gave 250 but what does all that say cuz literally you can't read how more of them most most of them so do you do you send a letter to each of those people saying hey you know are you trying to replicate I don't know I don't know what we're going to do and I I'm going to try to leave it might be a good project to give to an artist an artist can always figure out how to take those names and weave it or a quilter would be kind of interesting give it to a quilter I wouldn't need to you know it's been years right I mean I think I do know I think we need to really think through this right so my I just because I said this yday and I went down and took a picture I just want all you guys to know if you haven't walked down there lately it's pretty tough you cannot I down you can't read them and they're all crap you know so with this new plan of this Phase 2 park right and this is why it came up because if we're going to put that into the new thing we need to come up with we can't use this we can't use these bricks anymore these need to go in the garbage you know when we're done with this when we do phase two of this area as a council do we say well we're going to try to honor the past and move forward or do we say no going forward we're just I'm all about honoring the past but I think this is too laborious yeah um well and again right now and again I don't think most people that donated it was a brand new area was 20 years ago and people were really excited to try to donate towards this cause I think that we've all gotten our money and our memories and our joy out of it yeah okay that's just my feeling as as a donator so as this gets farther down the road and you guys want to talk about on Parks I just yes you you know how it looks so I would say we do we cannot Salvage these you know when we redo this these need these need to go away and then you're right do we either move forward or honor the past and try to re recreate it and then what is the cost of that that's a whole another thing and again we're trying to find the list of what people wanted to say because we can't find that right now so we might not have a choice might have a choice so anyway that's all I got any other comments from you guys okay uh do you have anything part of the Fire Commission was to bring a resolution basically solidifying that the cities are uh that we have a committee that's attending these if that's something you'd like I can have it at the next meeting um it's sort of a confirmation of what's already been confirmed by the m city council so I'm not sure I guess I'll yeah bring bring at at the next meeting yeah the only I'll just show you one quick one that Dutch Lake dock is in this was some pictures of in progress as of today it's they just there's some Ada work that needs to be done otherwise this was being installed over the last couple days and I I had Ryan make sure that he or whoever was there took plenty of pictures so there will be more but um yeah did the Neighbors come out he said a couple neighbors came out took a look but they there weren't any comments or anything um so that's all I got all right good thanks okay if there's nothing else I'll take a motion to adjourn I'll make a motion to adjourn the meeting okay got a motion can I get a second second okay any any other discussion all those in favor please say I I I those ofos all right we're