Based on the context provided and the dialogue within the transcript, here is the formatted version with speaker names assigned. **Note on Identifications:** * **Chair Meyer:** Identified as the presiding officer of the Planning Commission. * **Hilary Dvorak:** Identified as the City Planner/Staff lead for the CPAC project. * **Nicholas Ouellett:** Identified as the City Planner for the Royalston project. * **Aurin Chowdhury:** Identified as the Ward 12 Council Member/Planning Commissioner who presented Item 8. * **Kimberly Holien:** Identified as the Planning Manager/Clerk who clarifies legal motions and voting procedures. *** [0:14] **Chair Meyer:** I'LL RECONVENE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. HILARY, IF YOU CAN CONTINUE. (SPEAKER NOT MIC'D.) [0:18] **Hilary Dvorak:** OKAY. JUST KIDDING. SO. SO I WAS SPEAKING TO THE AMENITIES THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FOR THE PUD. WE ARE RECOMMENDING 16 POINTS FOR THOSE AMENITIES. THERE IS ALSO A NEED FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. [0:48] **Hilary Dvorak:** THERE ARE THREE VARIANCES FOR YOU THIS EVENING ONE IS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES ON THIS SITE FROM 100 TO 287, AND TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING LOT FRONTAGE ALONG DOWLING AVENUE NORTH FROM 40 FEET TO 115 FEET, AND FROM 40 FEET TO 1,075 FEET ALONG WASHINGTON AVENUE NORTH. SO THE ZONING CODE LIMITS THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES ON A SURFACE PARKING LOT TO 100. THERE ARE 287 PARKING SPACES PROPOSED SO THE APPLICANT HAS APPLIED FOR THE VARIANCE. [1:20] **Hilary Dvorak:** AGAIN, THE ZONING CODE LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF PARKING LOT FRONTAGE ON A STREET AND IF IT'S ON A CORNER IT APPLIES TO BOTH STREETS OR ALL STREETS THAT A SITE WOULD TOUCH OF AND SO THERE'S MORE THAN 40 FEET OF PARKING LOT FRONTAGE PROPOSAL ALONG DOWLING AND ALONG WASHINGTON AND SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE. [1:41] **Hilary Dvorak:** THERE ARE UNIQUE NEEDS FOR A REGIONAL INVESTMENT SUCH AS THE CPAC IN ENSURING EVENT DAY OPERATIONS RUNS SMOOTHLY IS WITH THEM. THE CPAC IS BEING DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY THAT HAS LIMITED ON-STREET PARKING AND LIMITED TRANSIT ACCESS. [1:57] **Hilary Dvorak:** THERE ARE NO EXISTING TRANSIT ROUTES IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF THE VENUE. LOCAL METRO TRANSIT ROUTES 22 AND 32 RUN CLOSEST TO THE SITE. APPROXIMATELY WITH THE NEAREST STOP 1 MILE. I CAN SAY SINCE MY INVOLVEMENT IN THE PROJECT SINCE 2011 WE HAVE TALKED WITH MET TRANSIT OVER THE YEARS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH HERE TO BRING THE TRANSIT LINE SO WE NEED MORE HERE TO BRING CLOSER TRANSIT. [2:26] **Hilary Dvorak:** LIGHTS IT'S LIKE FIELD OF DREAMS. IF WE BUILD IT THEY WILL BRING THE ROUTES. IT'S ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO BE PATIENT AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO KIND OF MASSAGE THIS AND NURSE THIS DOWN THE PATH AND SO HOPEFULLY, WE HAVE A CPAC WITH 8200 SEATS AND 90 CONCERTS, 54 COMMERCIAL EVENTS OR UP TO 90 SHOWS A YEAR AND THEN WE GET HOUSING AND THEN WE GET THIS. [2:49] **Hilary Dvorak:** THEN WE HAVE A MASS OF PEOPLE, A MASS OF, YOU KNOW, ACTIVITY. THAT'S WHEN HOPEFULLY, MET TRANSIT COMES TO THE TABLE AND WE START REALLY HAVING THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT AN ACTUAL ROUTE CLOSER TO THE SITE. THAT HAS BEEN AND IS STILL A GOAL OF THIS PROJECT. NOT JUST THIS PARKING LOT NOT JUST THE CPAC BUT ALL OF THEM. [3:10] **Hilary Dvorak:** THE SITE HAS 158 FEET OF FRONTAGE ALONG DOWLING AVENUE NORTH. 1204 OF FRONTAGE ALONG WASHINGTON AND THE SITE NARROWS OF 3 FEET DOWN TO THE SOUTHERN END OF THE SITE. THE SITE IS LONG AND NARROW WITH A SOMEWHAT ATYPICAL STREET FRONTAGE WHEN COMPARED TO THE LOT WITH THIS IS A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE OF THE SITE. PROVIDING A PRINCIPAL SURFACE PARKING LOT FOR RIDE-SHARE AND PAID PARKING NECESSARY TO HELP ALLEVIATE CONGESTION IN THE STREETS. WITH THE AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE ALONG BOTH DOWLING AND WASHINGTON ALLOW THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT COULD FIT ON THE SITE. THE PROPOSED 287 SPACE PRINCIPAL SURFACE PARKING LOT WILL HELP ACHIEVE THE PLIT GOALS OF THE. THE PROPOSALS TO HAVE ONE PARKING LOT INSTEAD OF MULTIPLE PARKING SPACES IS MORE EFFICIENT LAND AND WILL ALLOW FOR BETTER TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT ON EVENT DAYS WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THAT VARIANCE. [4:15] **Hilary Dvorak:** THERE IS A VARIANCE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF EV CHARGING STATIONS ON THE SITE FROM 14 TO 0. THE ZONING CODE REQUIRES THAT WHEN YOU BUILD A PARKING LOT OVER 20 OR MORE SPACES, THAT THAT YOU HAVE 5 PERCENT OF THOSE SPACES BE EV CHARGING. THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING TO HAVE ANY EV CHARGING STATIONS ON THE SITE SO HAS REQUESTED THE VARIANCE. [4:43] **Hilary Dvorak:** AGAIN, THIS PARKING LOT WOULD SERVE THE CPAC WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE BUILT AT 3501 WEST RIVER ROAD NORTH, IT'S A 182 SEAT AMP THEORY IT COULD HAVE 154 LARGE TICKETED EVENTS. [5:00] **Hilary Dvorak:** AT THE VENUE. DURING ONE CALENDAR THE PARKING LOT WOULD BE USED UP TO 90 DAYS OR 25 PERCENT OF THE YEAR. THERE WOULD BE GATES LOCATED AT EACH OF THE VEHICLE INSTANCES AS THIS WOULD NOT BE USED ON NONEVENT DAYS. CHALLENGES EXISTS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCES DUE TO THE CIRCUMSTANCE OF THE PROPERTY. IT WILL ONLY BE USED 25 PERCENT OF THE YEAR AND GATED TO RESTRICT ACCESS WHEN THERE ARE NO EVENTS AT THE CPAC. [5:30] **Hilary Dvorak:** ADDITIONALLY 26 TOTAL PARKING SPACES PROPOSED WOULD BE USED FOR RIDE SLURRING WHICH WOULD TURN OVER MANY TIMES DURING THE COURSE OF AN HE EVENT. THE UNIQUE NATURE AND LIMIT OF THE PRINCIPAL SURFACE PARKING LOT OVER THE COURSE OF ONE YEAR CREATE CHALLENGES IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE PROVISION. [5:46] **Hilary Dvorak:** WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU GRANT APPROVAL OF THAT VARIANCE. THE LAST VARIANCE THAT IS NEEDED IS TO ALLOW OFFSITE PARKING IN THE CM2 DISTRICT FOR USE LOCATED IN THE PR1. SO WE DIDN'T QUITE GOT IT RIGHT WHEN WE ZONED THE SITE. WHERE THE AMPHITHEATER IS, IT IS PRODUCTION MIXED USE SO A PR ZONING DISTRICT WHERE THE CPAC IS, IT IS CM2 SO A COMMERCIAL PR CANNOT PARK WITHOUT A C VARIANCE THEY CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT A RIGHT, AND SO THEY HAVE REQUESTED THE VARIANCE TO AL ALLOW -- TO ALLOW OFFSITE PARKING IN THE CM2 DISTRICT FOR A USE LOCATED IN THE PR1 DISTRICT AND I CAN SAY THAT MY MANAGER WENT AROUND AND AROUND HOW TO WRITE THAT ONE SENTENCE FOR PROBABLY 15 MINUTES SO I HOPE IS READS WELL. THE ONLY OTHER SITES LOCATED IN THE P PRODUCTION MIXED USE WHERE THE CPAC WILL BE LOCATED ARE RIVERFRONT PROPERTIES ALONG WEST RIVER NORTH-SOUTH OF THE CPAC ARE OCCUPIED BY EXISTING USES THAT ARE NOT OWNED BY THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. [7:00] **Hilary Dvorak:** THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ALONG WASHINGTON AVENUE NORTH WITH THROUGH-ACCESS WHEREAS, THE RIVERFRONT PARCELS CAN ONLY BE ACCESSED FROM WEST RIVER ROAD NORTH. LOCATING THE PRINCIPAL SURFACE PARKING LOT FOR THE CPAC ON THIS SITE LOCATED AT 3701 AND 3601 WASHINGTON GREAT REDUCES THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES ENTERING THE UPPER HARBOR AREA AND. [7:24] **Hilary Dvorak:** THE PROPOSED AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES IS NOT EXCESSIVE AS THERE ARE LIMITED ON-STREET PARKING SPACES LOCATED IN THE UPPER HARBOR DEVELOPMENT AREA AND THE CPAC ITSELF WILL NOT HAVE ANY ONSITE PARKING. AGAIN, WHEN THERE IS DAYS THERE ARE EVENTS CPAC WILL HELP DIRECT TRAFFIC. [7:45] **Hilary Dvorak:** THOSE ARE THE VARIANCES. WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THAT VARIANCE AS WELL. THE LAST APPLICATION IS THAT IS NEEDED IS SITE PLAN REVIEW THAT IS NEEDED FOR ANY NEW PARKING FACILITY. THERE ARE A FEW CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT I WILL POINT OUT AND THEN THERE ARE FOUR AREAS OF A COMPLIANCE THAT IS REQUESTED FOR TOTAL NUMBER OF TREES. THEY NEED -- THE TOTAL NUMBER OF TREES REQUIRED IS 51. [8:16] **Hilary Dvorak:** THEY HAVE 39 WE'RE RECOMMENDING. WE'RE RECOMMENDING THEY HAVE 51 TREES. SAME THING FOR THE SHRUBS WE'RE RECOMMENDING THEY PROVIDE ALL THE SHRUBS AND ALL OF THE TREES FOR THIS PARKING LOT. AND THE NEXT ITEM THAT THEY NEED COMPLIANCE FROM IS THE PARKING LOADING LANDSCAPING AND CYCLONE AND THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF TREES ON NORTH WASHINGTON. THEY WOULD NEED 30 -- NO, EXCUSE ME, THEY WOULD -- THE TREE REQUIREMENT ALONG WASHINGTON -- SO JUST FROM THE SOUTHERN END UP TO HERE IS 43 TREES. MY MATH SEEMS TO BE -- THAT SEEMS HIGH BUT, NO. [8:53] **Hilary Dvorak:** THEY WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE 32 MORE TREES BECAUSE THEY'RE PROVIDING 11 ALONG WASHINGTON. AGAIN, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY UNDEFEATED GENERAL LANDSCAPING FOR HAVING THOSE 51 TREES SO WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING THEY HAVE THE 51 PLUS THE 42 TREES OR WHATNOT ALONG WASHINGTON. WHAT WE'RE ASKING -- OR WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS ALTERNATE COMPLIANCE IS TO PUT THE TREES WHERE THEY WANT ON THE SITES. THERE ARE TWO PARKING SPACES AND I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE SOMEONE TO POINT THEM OUT THAT DON'T MEET WITHIN 50 FEET. I'LL SHOW YOU RIGHT HERE. THEY ALSO NEED TO ADD ONE MORE TREE TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING ULTIMATELY WITH THESE CONDITIONS IS THAT THEY MEET THE TREE AND THE SHRUB REQUIREMENTS AND THAT ALL PARKING SPACES BE WITHIN 50 FEET OF AN ONSITE TREE. YES, THAT COVERS ALL OF THE ALTERNATIVE COMPLIANCE AND SO THE OTHER ITEMS THAT -- THE OTHER CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT ARE NOT COVERED BY THAT -- THEY HAVE DESIGNED THE LANDSCAPING TO BE AT AN ANGLE WITH THE PARKING LOT AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY DESIGN IT TO BE PARALLEL TO REALLY PROVIDE THAT SCREENING THAT IS REQUIRED. [10:15] **Hilary Dvorak:** THAT IS ALL. THAT IS THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL. SO THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS. THERE'S 9 CONDITIONS ON THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. SO THOSE ARE THE APPLICATIONS THAT IS. THAT IS THE PROJECT. I WILL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. [10:35] **Chair Meyer:** THANK YOU, HILARY. SO I WAS THE ONE WHO PULLED THIS SO THE ONES THAT I'M LOOKING AT IN PARTICULAR D AND E. SO FIRST, STARTING ON D, THE VARIANCE TO GO FROM 40 FEET TO 1,075 FEET ON WASHINGTON AVENUE -- THAT'S A REALLY LARGE VARIANCE. WHAT WOULD IT TAKE THEM TO MEET THAT? LIKE WOULD THAT JUST BE MORELAND ESCAPING ALONG WASHINGTON AVENUE -- [10:52] **Hilary Dvorak:** NO YOU'D LITERALLY TO HAVE CUT -- IT'S NO MORE THAN 40 FEET FRONTAGE -- SO YOU COULD HAVE 5 PARKING SPACES ALONG WASHINGTON AND YOU'D BE OUT OF -- YOU'D HIT YOUR MAXIMUM FRONTAGE SO YOU COULD MAYBE HAVE 5 PARKING SPACES HERE IF WE LIMIT IT TO THE 40 FEET WHICH IS NOT REASONABLE. [11:17] **Chair Meyer:** UH-HUH. [11:18] **Hilary Dvorak:** FOR THE NEED FOR THE CPAC. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW -- SO, YEAH, IF WE LIMIT IT TO 40 FEET ON DOWLING OR 40 FEET ON WASHINGTON, WE'D SEVERELY LIMIT -- IT ALLOWS ONE ROW OF PARKING AND A TWO-WAY DRIVE THAT'S HOW WE GET TO 40 FOR A TWO-WAY DRIVOUT, 215 OF PARKING SPACE SO -- AND THE COMMERCIAL DOWNTOWN -- I THINK THOSE ARE THE ZONING DISTRICTS -- LIKE YOU CAN'T HAVE A PARKING LOT WITH TWO ROWS OF PARKING. THAT'S NO LONGER ALLOWED. YOU CAN ON THIS HAVE ONE ROW OF PARKING AND A DRIVE AISLE, OTHERWISE, YOU EXCEED 40 FEET EVEN IF YOU MAKE THINGS COMPACT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE THEM 15 HUH. YOU CAN'T GET THEM SO SMALL. [12:02] **Chair Meyer:** SO ON THE OTHER SIDE IT'S ALLOWED BECAUSE -- WHY -- WHY IS THE LONGER SIDE ALLOWED? [12:08] **Hilary Dvorak:** NO, NEITHER OF THESE SIDES ARE ALLOWED. [12:11] **Chair Meyer:** OH, RIGHT -- [12:12] **Hilary Dvorak:** THE RECOLLECTIONS -- [12:13] **Chair Meyer:** THAT'S ONLY 116 -- [12:14] **Hilary Dvorak:** MAXIMUM ON 40 ON WASHINGTON. THEY HAVE 116 ON DOWLING AND 1,075 ON WASHINGTON AND IT REALLY IS -- [12:20] **Chair Meyer:** I GUESS I'M MISSING WHY IT'S SO MUCH MORE ON WASHINGTON. [12:24] **Hilary Dvorak:** JUST BECAUSE -- JUST THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE. [12:27] **Chair Meyer:** OKAY. [12:28] **Hilary Dvorak:** BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH LONGER. [12:30] **Chair Meyer:** IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CLOSER THAN THAT. OKAY. SO FOR THE VARIANCE FINDINGS FOR THE CHALLENGES -- I MEAN, SO IT'S ABOUT A REGIONAL AMENITY AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT ARE THERE ANY VARIANCE FINDINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, JUSTIFY MAKING THIS A SURFACE LOT INSTEAD OF A STRUCTURED PARKING LOT -- AN UNSTRUCTURED GARAGE? [13:01] **Hilary Dvorak:** THAT IS NOT THE REQUEST BEFORE US TO HAVE THE STRUCTURED GARAGE. I BELIEVE THE COST TO DO THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY PROHIBITIVE TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH YOU. [13:11] **Chair Meyer:** AND THEN ON E -- SO 70-SOMETHING OF THE SPOTS ARE FOR THE DROP-OFF -- [13:17] **Hilary Dvorak:** CORRECT. [13:18] **Chair Meyer:** SO THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE REST OF IT IS THAT IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE USED 25 PERCENT OF THE YEAR THAT'S THE REASON? OKAY. [13:25] **Hilary Dvorak:** CORRECT, AND 26 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL SPACES ARE FOR THAT RIDE-SHARE THAT WE'LL TURN OVER AND OVER. [13:31] **Chair Meyer:** OKAY. AND THEN JUST FOR THE ETMP, YOU WENT OVER THIS, I WAS STRUCK THAT ONLY 1 PERCENT -- [13:38] **Hilary Dvorak:** TRANSIT? [13:39] **Chair Meyer:** HAS MET COUNCIL SAID ONCE THEY BUILD THIS -- [13:42] **Hilary Dvorak:** NO ONE HAS MADE ANY PROMISES AS TO ANY FUTURE TRANSIT EXCEPT FOR WE WILL CONTINUE TO EVALUATE IT AS THINGS COME ONLINE AT UPPER HARBOR. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING COME UP ONLINE ON UPPER HARBOR. THE PARK -- THE PARK IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION I SHOULD NOT FORGET THE 20 ACRES OF PARKLAND THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THAT WILL OPEN NEXT SPRING. I BELIEVE THAT IS, LIKE, ANOTHER PARK BOARD. I BELIEVE IT'S NEXT SPRING -- SPRING OF '26 IS WHEN THE PARK WILL OPEN AND THEN SPRING OF '27 IS WHEN THE CPAC WOULD OPEN SO WE'RE STARTING TO BUILD ON MOMENTUM AND ENERGY AND, YOU KNOW, EXCITEMENT HOPEFULLY, THEN. BUT, YEAH. [14:35] **Chair Meyer:** THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. [14:40] **Commissioner Thompson:** I WAS CURIOUS BECAUSE I'M GRATEFUL YOU PULLED IT BECAUSE I KNOW THIS PROJECT VERY, VERY WELL IN THE LARGER SCOPE. [14:46] **Hilary Dvorak:** UH-HUH [14:47] **Commissioner Thompson:** AND I KNOW THIS PARTICLES VERY WELL -- PARCEL AND FOR MY COLLEAGUES JUST IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOU HAVE WASHINGTON -- IT SPLITS AS BIG SOUTH TO 2ND THAT'S THE LITTLE V AT THE CORNER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AND IT'S CURRENTLY LIKE A BRAMBLE MESS. IT'S NOT -- THERE'S NOTHING THERE AND IT DOES SIT ON A HILL. I'M JUST -- JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE CPAC -- IT SAYS APPLICANT IS THE PORT OF MINNEAPOLIS IS THIS TO BE DONE WITH THE FIRST -- [15:15] **Hilary Dvorak:** PORT OF MINNEAPOLIS IS FIRST AVENUE. PRODUCTIONS AND THE MINNESOTA ORCHESTRA. [15:24] **Commissioner Thompson:** OKAY. [15:25] **Hilary Dvorak:** THEY ARE PART OF MINNEAPOLIS TOGETHER. AND THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE DOING THIS PROJECT TOGETHER. THEY WILL BOTH BE USING THE CPAC. [15:33] **Commissioner Thompson:** THANK YOU. [15:34] **Hilary Dvorak:** UH-HUH. [15:35] **Commissioner Thompson:** I WILL ATTEST AGAIN TO MY COLLEAGUES. THIS JUST -- IT'S INDUSTRIAL REMOTE AREA. THERE'S NO UNTIL A BIKE LANE WAS STRIPED 10 YEARS AGO AND THEN THEY FINALLY PROTECTED IT A LITTLE BIT. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST TREMENDOUS -- AND I SAY THAT WITH SHEER TERROR BIKE RIDES YOU'D EVER TAKE BECAUSE OF THE HEAVY USE TRUCKS THAT GO DOWN TO WASHINGTON TO GET TO THIS SITE. SO I SUPPORT THIS AND I HOPE PEOPLE WOULD SUPPORT IT TOO. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, THOUGH, IS THERE ANY SORT OF TRAFFIC IMPACT BECAUSE, AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF THE ONLY ACCESS POINTS TO NORTH MINNEAPOLIS CROSSING THE BRIDGE. [16:09] **Hilary Dvorak:** UH-HUH. [16:10] **Commissioner Thompson:** AND THERE IS, OF COURSE, AN EXIT FROM 94 ARE TRYING TO. [16:15] **Hilary Dvorak:** UH-HUH. [16:16] **Commissioner Thompson:** IF YOU KEEP GOING, YOU BASICALLY ARE IN THE SUBURBS IF YOU DON'T GET OFF HERE. DO WE HAVE ANY SORT OF STUDY ON IT. IT WAS PROBABLY BEFORE MY TIME BUT I'D THOUGHT I'D ASK. [16:26] **Hilary Dvorak:** YEAH, FOR THE LARGER -- SO THE 53-ACRE DEVELOPMENT NEEDED ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AND WE DID A TRAVEL DEMAND MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE 53 ACRES WITH ALL THE PROJECTED USES. THE CPAC ALWAYS NEEDED AN EVENT TRANSPORTATION PLAN THIS IS SIMILAR WHAT WE DID FOR TARGET CENTER, U.S. BANK STADIUM -- YOU KNOW, ALL THE MAJOR THINGS LIKE THIS -- WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY HAVE EVENT MANAGEMENT PLANS AND SO AGAIN, IT WILL BE WRITTEN AND REFINED AS EVENTS HAPPEN BUT THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC CONTROL AGENTS OUT THERE ON EVENT DAYS HELPING WITH THE TRAFFIC AND SO WE DON'T MODEL IT BECAUSE YOU JUST THAT CAN'T PREDICT -- [17:03] **Commissioner Thompson:** YEAH. [17:04] **Hilary Dvorak:** HOW EVERYONE IS GOING TO COME BUT WE CAN PUT IN IT ALL OF THESE MEANS OF HOW TO GET TO THE VENUE AND -- WHAT WAS I GOING TO SAY. HOW TO GET TO THE VENUE AND WE WILL MONITOR AS IT GOES. IF WE HAVE STANDING TRAFFIC AT DOWLING AND WASHINGTON, AND WE NEED MORE TRAFFIC COLOMBIA AGENTS, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO. WE'LL PIVOT. WE'LL PIVOT BECAUSE IT HAS IT HAS TO WORK. WE CAN'T HAVE IT FAIL EVERY TIME WE HAVE AN EVENT BECAUSE PEOPLE WON'T COME AND SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO REFINE. I KNOW THIS IS, LIKE, TAKING A LOPE OF FAITH. TRUST ME, IT'S A LEAP OF FAITH BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE AN EVENT TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO WORK; RIGHT? AND WHAT DOES AND DOESN'T WORK AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED OR MODIFIED AND WHATNOT. IT'S A CHICKEN AND EGG PROJECT. IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN. IT PROBABLY ALWAYS WILL BE UNTIL WE GET TO THE LAST DEVELOPMENT WHERE NOTHING IS RELYING ON IT. (LAUGH.) BUT UNTIL THAT POINT, IT'S A CHICKEN AND EGG KIND OF HAVE TO BE -- THINGS HAVE TO KIND OF PEOPLE -- TEST THEM OUT IF THAT MAKES SENSE. [18:33] **Commissioner Thompson:** IT ABSOLUTELY DOES. WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS AT THE PARK BOARD AND I KNOW FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION -- I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT HATS -- THERE ARE DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS AND PEOPLE REALLY WORRY ABOUT SURFACE PARKING. THIS LOT IS NOT A BUILDAABLE LOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. IT'S JUST A WEIRD STRETCH ABUTTING THE FREEWAY AND IF IT HELPS AID THE SUCCESS OF THAT NORTH MINNEAPOLIS VENUE THEN I'D ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT IT AND I HOPE MY COLLEAGUES DO TOO. THANK YOU. [19:04] **Chair Meyer:** I NEED TO REMIND COMMISSIONERS IT'S A DIGITAL PROCEEDING WE CAN'T TAKE A POSITION UNTIL AFTER THE HEARING CONCLUDES SO WE CAN'T START THE HEARING. [19:15] **Commissioner Thompson:** SORRY. THANK YOU. [19:18] **Chair Meyer:** COMMISSIONER CONLEY. [19:19] **Commissioner Conley:** THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'M REALLY INTERESTED IN THE 75 PERCENT OF THE TIME THE PARKING LOT WILL NOT BE USED. AM I GETTING THAT; RIGHT? [19:33] **Hilary Dvorak:** UH-HUH. [19:34] **Commissioner Conley:** SO IT SEEMS LIKE THE 287 SPOTS WILL BE UTILIZED 25 PERCENT OF THE TIME. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE OTHER 75? IT JUST REMAINS GATED OFF? CAN COMMUNITY USE IT? THAT THAT JUST STANDS OUT OF A LOT OF TIME OF JUST SITTING. [19:48] **Hilary Dvorak:** UH-HUH. YES. OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF ZOOM IN TO IT A LITTLE BIT. SO THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR PARCEL 6A, WHICH IS SITTING RIGHT HERE -- IT'S A MIXED USE HOUSING PROJECT. IT'S APPLIED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND AND IT HAS NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THOSE DOLLARS. ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME BACK ON THE LAST ROUND WAS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PARKING IN THAT DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY AND SO THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM DID AND WHAT THAT MEANT IS THEY WOULD USE SOME OF THE PAID PARKING ON NONEVENT DAYS IF THAT PROJECT EVER MOVES FORWARD. I DIDN'T GET INTO THIS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS AND WHAT-IFS AND I DIDN'T WANTH TO CONFUSE YOU BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF CONFUSING ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE BIGGER HISTORY; RIGHT? AND SO THERE IS POTENTIAL IN THE FUTURE THAT THESE PARKING SPACES WILL BE USED ON A DAILY BASIS BY THOSE WHO LIVE IN 6B -- 6A, EXCUSE ME, NORTHERN LOT. SO THERE'S A POTENTIAL -- LIKE, IF THIS PROJECT HAPPENS, THAT THAT THIS -- AND THERE'S COMMERCIAL IN HERE NOT A LOT BUT THERE IS SOME COMMERCIAL IN HERE TOO THAT THIS PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE -- NOT THE SOUTHERN RIDE-SHARE IS -- IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE RIDE-SHARE PARKING BUT THIS NORTHERN HALF COULD BE USED BY 6A RESIDENTS OR TENANTS IN THE FUTURE BUT AGAIN I DID NOT WANT TO GET INTO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS. [21:44] **Commissioner Conley:** SORRY. [21:46] **Hilary Dvorak:** CAN I ALSO JUST COMPLETE THAT THOUGHT -- YOU KNOW, THESE ARE -- ALL OF THE LAND BE EXCEPT THE 20 ACRES OF PARKLAND ARE OWNED BY THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS AND WE WILL MAINTAIN THE -- THE CITY WILL MAINTAIN AND SO IT'S 99-YEAR LEASES SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ALL LEGAL DOCUMENTS THAT TOGETHER WITH THE GROUND LEASE AND EXCLUSIVE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND WHAT THE MINIMUM IMPROVEMENTS ARE AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND SO THE CITY'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS WORKING WITH PORT OF MINNEAPOLIS TO DEVELOP ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS FOR THIS SITE. IF IN THE FUTURE 6A HAPPENS AND THEY NEED OR WANT SOME OF OF THAT PARKING, ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS, LEASE LEGAL DOCUMENTS WILL GET REVISES TO ADD NEW USER OF THE SITE, SO THE CITY IS A LANDOWNER FOR LEASING AND WILL HAVE TO REVISE THINGS IF THERE'S A NEW LEASE HOLDER FOR THOSE SPACES ON NONEVENT DAYS. [22:45] **Commissioner Conley:** UH-HUH. [22:46] **Hilary Dvorak:** DOES THAT MAKE SENSE. [22:48] **Commissioner Conley:** IT DOES. I WAS JUST GOING TO FOLLOW UP WITH -- THAT'S STILL A LOT OF IF SO IF THE CITY IS THE OWNER, THEN I GUESS WOULD STATE NO RAIN SOME CONSIDERATION OF, WHAT -- WHAT ELSE -- YOU KNOW PLAN B, PLAN C, YOU KNOW, FOR 75 PERCENT OF THE TIME WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO LOOK AT. THANK YOU. [23:07] **Chair Meyer:** OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JONES? [23:10] **Commissioner Jones:** YEAH. JUST FOLLOWING UP SO THERE'S A PARK BEING BUILT AND HOW CLOSE IS PARK TO THOSE PARKING AREAS SO THAT IF PEOPLE WANTED TO USE THAT PARKING WHILING THE BUILDOUT -- [23:25] **Hilary Dvorak:** EVERYTHING IS PARKLAND ON THE RIVERSIDE WITH THE LARGEST BODY OF THE PARK WHERE THE RELICS RADIO. [23:38] **Commissioner Jones:** THAT'S MY POINT THE USE OF POINT OF THAT SPACE JUST IN TERMS OF THE PARK. [23:43] **Hilary Dvorak:** YEAH, THEY HAVE SOME 20 SPACES ON THEIR SITE AND 20 SUBSPACES -- SO COULD THE PARKING LOT COULD BE USED FOR EVENTS ON THE PARK BUT OUR ATTORNEYS AND THEIR ATTORNEYS WILL HAVE TO TALK AND MAKE THOSE AGREEMENTS BECAUSE THE PARK BOARD HAS TO ENTER THAT ONE. THE CITY, THE PARK BOARD -- EVERYONE HAS TO SIGN OFF AND REVIEW AND APPROVE AND MODIFY; RIGHT? SO I THINK ALL OF THESE ARE POSSIBLE OPTIONS. I JUST DON'T THINK ANYONE IS GOING TO GIVE THE PARKING LOT USE AWAY WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT WITH A -- WHO THE USER IS WHEN THEY WILL BE OPEN, HOW THEY WILL USE IT. I THINK WHEN THINGS START HAPPENING, WE'LL START LOOKING AT THOSE AGREEMENTS, YOU KNOW, TO USE THEM 'CAUSE, YES, I DON'T THINK ANYONE BELIEVES THAT THE PARKING LOT SITTING THERE FOR 75 PERCENT OF THE TIME IS A GOOD THING. BUT IT IS A GOOD I THINK THIS ON THE 25 PERCENT ON THE DAYS THAT WE NEED IT, AND SO I THINK -- YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE FIELD OF DREAMING. (LAUGH.) WE'RE GOING TO BUILD IT AND WE'RE GOING TO HOPE IT ALL WORKS OUT. [24:59] **Chair Meyer:** COMMISSIONER GORDON? [25:01] **Commissioner Gordon:** YEAH, JUST A QUICK POINT OF CLARIFICATION. THE ACCESSIBLE STALLS ARE POSITIONED MID-SITE RATHER THAN NORTH OF THE SITE DUE TO THE TOPOGRAPHY THAT YOU MENTIONED. [25:10] **Hilary Dvorak:** YES. [25:11] **Commissioner Gordon:** HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION DUE TO THE ACCESSIBILITY ROUTE TO ANY DROP-OFF AREAS SO THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING A THIRD OF A MILE AND -- [25:21] **Hilary Dvorak:** SO ADA ACCESSIBLE PARKING WILL ALSO TAKE PLACE HERE. YES, SORRY, I'M JUST MAKING SURE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AND EMAILS ABOUT THE PROJECT. I'M JUST MAKING SURE I HAVE THE MOST RECENT -- IS THAT THERE'LL BE TRAFFIC CONTROL AGENTS AND THE -- IF YOU NEED -- IF YOU HAVE ACCESSIBILITY NEEDS, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO COME DOWN DOWLING -- THE PARKWAY, DROP GUESTS OFF AND THEN IF -- AND THEN GO BACK AND PARK IN THAT LOT IN THE PAID PARKING SPOTS SO THERE ARE SOME SPOTS FOR ADA IN THERE CARVED OUT BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY SPOTS ON THE CPAC SITE. [26:10] **Commissioner Gordon:** THANK YOU. [26:13] **Chair Meyer:** COMMISSIONER BAXLEY. [26:14] **Commissioner Baxley:** QUICK QUESTION, THANKS HILARY. I THINK THIS IS INTERESTING USE HERE. MY GUESS IS THE TOPOGRAPHY WORK WE'LL PROBABLY SEE A LOT MORE PARKING HERE BECAUSE I IMAGINE WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT. BUT SINCE THIS IS A BIT EXPERIMENTAL, COULD YOU TALK AGAIN ABOUT WHY YOU WANT -- THE LANDSCAPE SCREENING GO MORE WALL-LIKE AS OPPOSED TO THIS WHICH LOOKS A LOT MORE INTERESTING AND POTENTIALLY -- [26:41] **Hilary Dvorak:** YEAH, AND -- JUST A LITTLE MORE PARALLEL JUST BECAUSE IT'S -- I GUESS IT'S -- HOW AM I TRYING TO SAY IT. IT'S NOT COMPLETELY SCREENED, RIGHT, WHEN YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE ROWS OF LANDSCAPE AND SO TRYING TO JUST MAKE THOSE A LITTLE BIT MORE PARALLEL, WILLING TO WORK WITH THEIR LANDSCAPE DESIGNERS -- [26:59] **Commissioner Baxley:** OKAY. [27:00] **Hilary Dvorak:** TO ALLOW SOME CREATIVE -- 'CAUSE I AGREE. OUR CODE IS SPECIFIC, 3 FOOT SCREEN. I CAN WORK WITH THEM TO ALLOW SOME OF THESE CREATIVITY OR FLEXIBILITY BUT STILL GET IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SCREENED AND THEY DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME GAPS HERE WHERE THERE AREN'T SHRUBS AND WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSING CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN, TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT CAN ADDRESS THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. [27:27] **Commissioner Baxley:** YEAH, I THINK I WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE UNIQUE SITUATION TO TRY SOME UNIQUE SOLUTIONS FOR THE CITY AND YOU SAY TOO. COULD YOU TALK HOW THE LIGHTING WORKS ON THIS SO IS APPARENTLY -- I'M ASSUME ASSUMING THIS IS GOING TO BE A LIT LOT AND WHEN IT'S NOT BEING USES ARE THE LIGHTS ON OR STAY DARK? [27:46] **Hilary Dvorak:** THAT IS QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANTS TO ANSWER. PALE ACTUALLY, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, PARKING LOT LIGHTS IN HERE AND THEN THERE ARE LIGHTS IN THE TREES AND SO I THINK -- LET'S ASK THE APPLICANT THAT QUESTION. [28:03] **Chair Meyer:** ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON. COMMISSIONER SHEPPARD? [28:13] **Commissioner Sheppard:** I HAVE A QUICK ONE, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. THE EV CHARGING VARIANCE IS ONLY ON THE CPAC PARKING IS THAT TRUE WELL, VARIANCES RUN WITH THE PROPERTY. NOW, IF THE USE CHANGED WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A NEW EV CHARGING REQUIREMENT MOST LIKELY AND SO IT WOULD -- SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE MIGHT TRIGGER ITS OWN REQUIREMENT. [28:30] **Hilary Dvorak:** THIS IS A FOLLOW-ON TO THE FUTURE BECAUSE I'M PRESUMING THIS WAS NOT A RECOVERABLE COST SO THAT'S WHY THE VARIANCE WAS SOUGHT; CORRECT? [28:41] **Commissioner Sheppard:** UH-HUH. SO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THIS AREA WERE TO -- WERE TO USE THIS PARKING LOT, IS THERE SOME MECHANISM BY WHICH WE COULD THEN REQUIRE THE ADDITION OF THOSE EV CHARGING STATIONS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE? [28:55] **Hilary Dvorak:** I MEAN, ONCE GRANTED I DON'T THINK WE CAN COMPEL THEM. -- I MEAN, WE COULD ASK THEM TO BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN MAKE THEM -- PUT THEM IN THE FUTURE ONCE THE VARIANCE IS APPROVED. UNLESS SOMETHING NEW COMES AND THE REQUIREMENT IS DIFFERENT BUT -- [29:10] **Commissioner Sheppard:** OKAY. [29:12] **Hilary Dvorak:** IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A BIGGER SURFACE PARKING LOT, I THINK, TO HAVE A BIGGER PARKING LOT REQUIREMENT BECAUSE IF THIS WAS A RAMP, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE EV REQUIREMENT. IT'S JUST FOR THE FOR THE SURFACE LOT. [29:26] **Kimberly Holien:** AND IF I MAY ADD TO THAT THE CODE REQUIREMENTS SPECIFICALLY STATES NEWLY ESTABLISHED SURFACE PARKING LOTS FOR THE EV PARKING LOTS SO ONCE ESTABLISHED -- [29:35] **Commissioner Sheppard:** SO THIS IS THE CHANCE TO DO IT OR NOT. [29:39] **Kimberly Holien:** CORRECT. [29:40] **Commissioner Sheppard:** IF WE WERE TO APPLY IT TO THE 213 NONRIDE-SHARE SPOTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 11 SPOTS? IF MY MATH IS CORRECT. [29:48] **Hilary Dvorak:** YOU'RE ANTICIPATING WHERE I WAS GOING WITH IT. [29:50] **Commissioner Sheppard:** YEAH, I WAS AN ENGLISH MAJOR SO CHECK MY MATH. [29:55] **Hilary Dvorak:** I CAME UP WITH 10.39. [29:58] **Commissioner Sheppard:** YEAH, YOU GET TO ROUND UP. [30:00] **Hilary Dvorak:** YOU ROUND DOWN IN OUR ZONING CODES. (LAUGH.) .5 AND HIGHER HIGHER YOU CAN UP .4 YOU GO DOWN. SORRY. [30:11] **Chair Meyer:** ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT WITH US TODAY. YOU CAN COME UP IF YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF, AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO GIVE ANY PRESENTATION, YOU CAN BUT EVEN IF YOU DON'T I THINK WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. [30:33] **Alan Tucker:** I DIDN'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THIS. I'M SORRY I'M ALAN TUCKER. [30:37] **Chair Meyer:** I THOUGHT YOU WERE THE APPLICANT. [30:39] **Alan Tucker:** NO, I'M NOT THE APPLICANT. [30:42] **Chair Meyer:** I'M SORRY IS THE APPLICANT HERE? [30:48] **Applicant Representative:** HELLO COMMISSIONERS. I CAN SPEAK TO THE LIGHTING COMMENT. SO THERE'S A MIXTURE -- LET ME PULL UP THE LIGHTING PLAN HERE. THERE'S A MIXTURE OF 35 FOOT HEIGHT POLES FOR LIGHTING -- LIGHTING FOR THE PARKING AREAS AND THEN THERE'S SOME 25 FOOT POLES KIND OF AROUND THE PERIMETER AND ADDITIONAL TO THAT ALONG THE 9 FOOT PARKING LOT ALONG WASHINGTON THERE'S SOME UPLIGHTING ON THE TREES SO WE THINK THAT'LL BE HELPFUL EVENTS GET OUT LATE, PASSENGERS GET OUT -- I DON'T THINK WE'RE NOT EXACTLY CLEAR WHAT HOURS WOULD BE IN USE. I THINK IF THERE'S A PREFERENCE TO HAVE THEM ON ALL THE TIME OR ON LESS, THEY'D BE OPEN TO WHATEVER IS BEST FOR THE AREA. [31:48] **Chair Meyer:** DID YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LIGHTING COMMISSIONER BAXLEY? ALL RIGHT. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. [31:58] **Applicant Representative:** THANK YOU. [32:00] **Chair Meyer:** ALL RIGHT. ANY ADDITIONAL PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, YOU CAN COME UP NOW. [32:08] **Alan Tucker:** SORRY. I'M ALAN TUCKER. I OWN THE -- BASICALLY THE WEDGE ON 2ND TO WASHINGTON WHERE THE BOAT PLACE IS. ONE IS THE INTERSECTION DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW IS ALREADY OVERCROWDED. IT BACKS UP A COUPLE BLOCKS SOME DAYS. I'M WORRIED ABOUT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IS ANY TIME THERE'S AN EVENT OR NEAR AN EVENT, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO GO TO THE PAID PARKING THEY'RE GOING TO BLOCK UP AND DOWN THE STREET WHERE I AND MY CUSTOMERS PARK. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN HAVE A NON -- NO EVENT PARKING AREA IN THAT AREA OR WHATEVER ELSE BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE DROPPING OFF BOATS ALL THE TIME AND I'M WORRIED THAT IF IT HAS AN EVENT -- INSTEAD OF GOING TO THE PAID PARKING THEY'RE GOING TO PARK ALL THE WAY UP WASHINGTON AND 2ND STREET. HAD BUT, OTHERWISE, THE INTERSECTION RIGHT NOW, THEY DID I'D SAY A POOR JOB OF PUTTING THAT BIKE PATH ON DOWLING. NOBODY USES IT. IT'S TOO STEEP. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TRIED -- EVEN THE BANK BIKE PEOPLE GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE OTHER END. BUT IT BACKS UP FOR BLOCKS NOW AND I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYONE IS GOING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THAT PARKING LOT UNLESS THEY HAVE OFFICERS TO LET THEM IN AND OUT. SO THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO SAY. THANK YOU. [33:35] **Chair Meyer:** THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO TESTIFY? ALL RIGHT. I'M NOT SEEING ANY SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. FIRST I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE PARKING OUTSIDE OF THE PROJECT. IT'S NOT BALANCED COMMISSION'S PURVIEW TO BE ABLE TO IMPOSE ANY REGULATIONS ON STREETS OUTSIDE OF THE PROJECT SO THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE ABLE TO DO TODAY. WE'RE ONLY ABLE TO LOOK AT THE APPLICATION THAT IS IN FRONT OF US SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T DO. I'LL SAY WHERE I'M AT ON THINGS -- COMMISSIONER SHEPPARD ANTICIPATED ME IN THAT I THINK THE DROP-OFF JUSTIFICATION MAKES COMPLETE SENSE FOR THE VARIANCE ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD EXUDE IT ENTIRELY SO MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO DO A VARIANCE IN LIEU TO GIVE THEM A VARIANCE TO GO DOWN TO 10 ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGERS WHICH WOULD CORRESPOND TO THE 213 VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING TO BE A REGULAR PARKING LOT. AND THEN FOR THE OTHER VARIANCE, D, I ACCEPT THE LOGIC THAT PARKING IS NEEDED AT THE SITE, YOU KNOW, FOR A REGIONAL AMENITY LIKE THIS BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE IN A STRUCTURED LOT. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS REQUIREMENT. THIS REQUIREMENT DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN NEVER HAVE MORE THAN 100 PARKING SPOTS. WHEN YOU HAVE SO MUCH PARKING DEMAND THEN WE SHOULD PUT IT IN A AT THAT STRUCTURED SITE SO THAT WE CAN REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PERMEABLE SURFACE AND -- AND THE POLLUTION INTO THE NEARBY PARKING RER AND ALL THE OTHER ECOLOGICAL EFFECTS. THAT COME WITH SURFACE PARKING LOTS SO I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THE OTHER -- TO THE LAND ACQUAINTANCE OR VARIANCE F. MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO -- TO MODIFY VARIANCE E LIKE I STATED AND TO DENY ONLY PART OF VARIANCE D. ONLY THE -- THE 100 PART AND I WOULDN'T -- WOULDN'T PROPOSE TO CHANGE THE OTHER PART. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT AND WE'LL SEE WHERE -- [36:18] **Kimberly Holien:** SO CHAIR MEYER, JUST TO CLARIFY, YOUR RECOMMENDED MOTION VARIANCE D WOULD ESSENTIALLY LIMIT THIS SITE TO 100 SURFACE PARKING STALLS SO THEN VARIANCE E SHOULD BE CALCULATED BASED ON A MAXIMUM OF 100 PARKING STALLS. [36:36] **Chair Meyer:** OH, RIGHT. [36:37] **Kimberly Holien:** IF THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GOING TO GRANT THEM. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BUT I CAN CALCULATE IT. [36:47] **Chair Meyer:** OKAY. YEAH, LET'S SEE WHERE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ARE AT AND DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY THAT GOES, WE CAN MAKE THAT MODIFICATION. OTHER COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER JONES? [37:05] **Commissioner Jones:** YEAH, I UNDERSTAND AND I AGREE WITH YOU. COMMISSIONER, THAT THE PREFERENCE WOULD BE FOR A STRUCTURED PARKING AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S COST-PROHIBITIVE AND IT'S GOING FORWARD AND EVEN NOW THE PARKING CALCULATION WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS GOING TO BE TIGHT FOR THAT REGIONAL 8200 SPACE THEATER SO -- BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT BEHIND, YOU KNOW, MAKING -- YOU KNOW, BUILDING UP, RIGHT, AND BUILDING STRUCTURED LOTS. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO INCENTIVIZE IT BUT AT THIS POINT I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON ALL OF THE -- ALL OF THE ITEMS AHEAD OF US. [37:55] **Chair Meyer:** OKAY. OTHER COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER THOMPSON? [37:58] **Commissioner Thompson:** YES, THANK YOU, CHAIR MEYER. I TOO WILL SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND FIRST OF ALL, I DO WANT TO THANK MR. TURK FOR COMING DOWN HERE. I -- TUCKER FOR COMING DOWN HERE. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I'M ALSO PART OF THOSE BACKUPS WHEN THEY OCCUR THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY AND I GET -- FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW THIS PROJECT AS WELL IT'S AN INCREDIBLE COBBLED TOGETHER RAY OF HOPE WITH ALL THESE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS TRYING TO GET IT PUT TOGETHER IN THE HOPES THAT IT -- THAT IT IS SOMETHING GREAT; RIGHT? AND IT HAS BEEN VERY CHALLENGING BUT I'LL JUST SAY -- I MEAN, AS -- AS -- AS FELLOW SAID, THE IDEA OF AN 8200 -- IF THIS PERSON EVENT CENTER AND ONLY 200 OR SOMETHING SPOTS -- WHAT ARE WE LOOKED AT, SORRY -- WHAT ARE WE LOOKED AT, SORRY. 287. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE UP THERE. IT'S ALL INDUSTRIALIZED AT THE PRESENT THERE'S ONLY STREET PARKING. THERE IS A VERY -- NOT VERY HIGHLY USED BIKE LANE. THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF THAT IS ON A WING AND A PRAYER HOPING THAT IT COMES HERE AND I WOULD HATE FOR US TO NOT BE PART OF THAT VISION SO, YES, I SUPPORT STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. I'M GOING TO GUESS THEY WOULDN'T THAT EVEN WANT ONE FOR AS LITTLE AS 100 SPACES. THANKS. [39:19] **Chair Meyer:** OTHER COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. SO MY PROPOSED ORDER OF OPERATIONS HERE WOULD BE THAT WE -- THAT WE TAKE A VOTE ON THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR D IF THAT DOESN'T PASS THEN I WOULD PROPOSE MY ALTERNATIVE MOTION WHICH WOULD LIMIT IT TO 100 PARKING SPOTS. AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHICH DIRECTION WE GO FROM THERE THEN WE WOULD TAKE ON ITEM E AND WE COULD HAVE WHATEVER PERCENTAGE COMES OUT OF THE VOTE OUTCOME FROM ITEM D AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON THE REST OF THE ITEMS THAT. IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH THAT ORDER OF OPERATION? OKAY. SO I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR D BUT FOR ONE OF THE TWO THAT WE SPOKE FOR WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR VARIANCE D? [40:15] **Commissioner Jones:** I'LL MOVE VARIANCE D. [40:17] **Commissioner Thompson:** AND I WILL SECOND THAT. [40:20] **Chair Meyer:** ALL RIGHT. THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND ON VARIANCE D. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE? GREAT, CLERK PLEASE TAKE THE ROLE -- TAKL -- TAKE T [40:35] **Kimberly Holien:** SO WE HAVE 8 AYES AND 1 NAY. [40:53] **Chair Meyer:** ALL RIGHT. SO FOR ITEM E, I WOULD PROPOSE A VARIANCE IN LIEU TO ALLOW -- TO STILL REQUIRE 10 SPOTS. SHOULD I ADD ANYTHING TO THAT TO WORD IT RIGHT KIMBERLY. [41:08] **Kimberly Holien:** SO I BELIEVE THE MOTION WOULD BE TO DENY THE VARIANCE AS PROPOSED AND IN LIEU THEREOF GRANT VARIANCE TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF EV CHARGING STATIONS FROM 14 TO 10. [41:20] **Chair Meyer:** YES. [41:21] **Kimberly Holien:** OKAY. [41:23] **Commissioner Thompson:** POINT OF CLARIFICATION. WE'RE NOT -- SO JUST THE VOTE -- WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS EXACTLY WHAT WAS SAID AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON, SO UP OR DOWN ON 10? [41:35] **Chair Meyer:** YEAH. [41:36] **Commissioner Thompson:** EV STATIONS. [41:37] **Chair Meyer:** YES. [41:38] **Commissioner Thompson:** OKAY, THANK YOU. [41:40] **Chair Meyer:** ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR WHAT KIMBERLY JUST SAID. IS THERE ANY SECOND -- [41:44] **Commissioner Conley:** WAIT, SORRY, POINT OF CLARIFICATION AS WELL, CHAIR. SO YOU'RE SAYING FROM 14 TO 10 OR JUST 10? [41:51] **Kimberly Holien:** SO I BELIEVE THE MOTION WOULD BE TO REQUIRE 10 EV CHARGING STATIONS BUT REQUIRED IT WOULD BE A VARIANCE TO REDUCE FROM 14 TO 10. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED A VIRULENCE TO REDUCE FROM -- VARIANCE FROM 14 TO 0. [42:10] **Commissioner Conley:** OH, OKAY. [42:11] **Kimberly Holien:** STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS 0. THE MOTION I'VE JUST MENTIONED AND CONLEY WROTE MAKE IT 10. [42:18] **Commissioner Conley:** GOT IT. [42:20] **Chair Meyer:** IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION -- COMMISSIONER SHEPPARD, YOU HAD YOUR LIGHT ON? OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. (ROLL CALL.) [42:45] **Kimberly Holien:** SO WE HAVE 6 AYES AND 3 NAYS. [43:02] **Chair Meyer:** SO THAT MOTION IS ADOPTED, AND NOW I'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION TO ADOPT ITEMS A, B, C, F AND G. [43:10] **Commissioner Jones:** I'LL MOVE A, B, C, F AND G TOGETHER. [43:15] **Chair Meyer:** NOT D. [43:17] **Commissioner Jones:** OR SORRY, A, B, C, F AND G. THAT'S HOW YOU SAY IT. [43:23] **Chair Meyer:** ANY SECOND? ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [43:28] **Commissioners:** AYE. [43:30] **Chair Meyer:** OPPOSED. THAT IS ADOPTED AND GOOD LUCK ON YOUR PROJECT. NEXT, 6, ROYALSTON STAFF IS NICHOLAS OUELLETT. [44:04] **Nicholas Ouellett:** MY NAME NICHOLAS OUELLETT I'M A CITY PLANNER WITH ZONING ADMINISTRATION. FOR YOU TODAY IS ITEM NO. 6. THE PROJECT IS TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS ON THE SITE. FOR THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE ACCESSORY PARKING IN THE DOWNTOWN PARKING OVERLAY DISTRICT. A VARIANCE TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS ALLOWED IN THE DOWNTOWN PARKING OVERLAY DISTRICT AND A VARIANCE TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS ALLOWED FOR A COMMERCIAL AND RECREATION ASSEMBLY USE FROM 39 TO 80. THE SITE IS A LITTLE MORE THAN 92 -- 92,000 SQUARE FEET IN AREA REQUEST FRONTAGE AROUND ROYALSTON AVENUE NORTH TO THE EAST AND BORDER AVENUE NORTH TO THE WEST. ACCESS IS PROVIDED FROM ROYALSTON AVENUE NORTH. THE WEST END IS ELEVATED ABOVE BORDER AVENUE NORTH BY APPROXIMATELY 10 FOOT RETAINING WALL WITH NO CONNECTION BETWEEN THE SITE AND BORDER AVENUE. THE EXISTING BUILDING IS VACANT AND THE APPLICANT IS IN THE PROCESS OF ESTABLISHING A FILING WAREHOUSE WHICH IS AN INDOOR RECREATION AREA TYPE USE. THE EXISTING PARKING AREA ON THE SITE IS 70 STALLS AND A SMALLER SURFACE LOT TOWARDS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS BY RESTRIPING THE EXISTING PAVED AREA IN A MORE EFFICIENT LAYOUT. THERE WILL NOBODY EXPANSION OF PAYMENT WITH THIS PROJECT. THE RESTRIPING PROJECT WILL YIELD YELLED 10 ADDITIONAL STALLS FOR A TOTAL OF 20 PARKING STALLS. THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED PARKING EXCEEDS THE PROPOSED PARKING FOR THE OVERLAY DISTRICT AND THE PROPOSED INDOOR RECREATION USE WHICH RESTRICTS THE MAXIMUM PARKING FOR ONE SPACE OF 1,000 FEET GROSS AREA. BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE 39 STALLS. WITH RESPECT TO THE FINDINGS REQUIRED FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL, THE ESTABLISHED OF 10 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE WILL NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE HEALTH PUBLIC SAFETY, COMFORT OR GENERAL WELFARE. STAFF HAS INCLUDED A CONDITION REQUIRING THE PROPOSAL TO COMPLY WITH DISTANCE TO TREES PARKING REQUIREMENTS WHERE NO PARKING SPACE SHALL BE LOCATED MORE THAN 50 FEET FROM AN ONSITE DECIDUOUS TREE. STAFF FINDS THERE'S ADEQUATE SPACE IN THE WEST PARKING AREA TO ALLOW FOR THE ADDITION OF LANDSCAPE TREE ISLANDS. THE ADDITION OF 10 PARKING SPACES FOR 80 TOTAL PARKING SPACES WILL NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE USE, ENJOYMENT OR ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, AND THE ADDITION OF 10 SPACES WILL NOT ALTER HOW THIS SITE OPERATES. ADEQUATE UTILITIES AND ACCESS ARE EXISTING. IT WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED BY AN INCREASE OF THE NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS. ADEQUATE MEASURES HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO ENSURE A SAFE AND EFFECTIVE INTERFACE WITH THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE PROJECT IS SUBJECT TO PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND APPROVAL IN WHICH PUBLIC WORKS HAS REVIEWED AND SIGNED OFF ON THE PROPOSAL. WITH THE ADOPTION OF STAFF RECOMMENDATION CONTINUE ON APPROVAL THE PROPOSED WOULD BE CONSISTENT OF MITIGATING THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS IT OF SURFACE PARKING LOTS WITH URBAN HEAT ISLANDS THROUGH THE ADDED LANDSCAPING. IF REQUESTED THE LAND USE APPLICATIONS ARE APPROVED, THE PROPOSAL WILL COMPLY WITH ALL PROVISIONS OF THE DISTRICT IN WHICH IT IS LOCATED. WITH RESPECT TO THE VARIANCES TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS ALLOWED IN THE DOWNTOWN PARKING OVERLAY DISTRICT AND FOR COMMERCIAL RECREATION AND ASSEMBLY USES, CHALLENGES EXISTS IN COMPLIANCE OF THE ORDINANCES WHICH IS UNIQUE TO THE PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY WAS PREVIOUSLY ZONED I2 MEDIUM INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AND USED FOR INDUSTRIAL PURPOSES. AND CURRENTLY MAINTAINS A NONCONFORMING RIGHTS TO 70 PARKING STALLS. THE SURFACE PARKING LOT WAS CONFIGURED TO ACCOMMODATE LARGE INDUSTRIAL VEHICLES AND WAS ESTABLISHED PRIOR TO THE SITE BEING REZONED, DT1 DOWNTOWN CENTER DISTRICT AND DOWNTOWN CENTER LAY DUE. RECONFIGURING THE SITE TO ACCOMMODATE PASSENGER VEHICLES IN LIEU OF TRUCKS RESULTS IN A MORE EFFICIENT LAYOUT WITH SMALLER DRIVE AISLES AND RESULTS IN AN INCREASED NUMBER OF STALLS. ADDITIONALLY THE WEST END OF THE SITE IS ELEVATED WHICH SIGNIFICANTLY LIMITS WHAT CAN BE DONE WITH THIS PORTION OF THE SITE WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE RETAINING WALL. THE CHANGE IN IT USE FROM TRUCK PARKING TO PASSENGER PARKING -- PASSENGER VEHICLE PARKING ON THE WEST RETAINING WALL ON THE END ARE CIRCUMSTANCES UNIQUE TO THE SITE AND NOT CREATED BY THE APPLICANT. THE REQUEST TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PARKING STALLS WITHIN THE EXISTING PARKING AREA ISN'T REASONABLE AND IN KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS CONDITION TREE ISLANDS WILL BE REQUIRED TO NO TO PARKING SPACES SHALL BE LOCATED MORE THAN 50 FEET FROM AN ONSITE DECIDUOUS TREE WHICH WILL MINIMIZE THE URBAN HEAT ISLAND TO SURFACE PARKING LOTS. THE PROPOSED VARIANCES WILL NOT ALTER THE ESSENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE LOCALITY OF BE INJURIOUS TO THE USE OR ENJOYMENT OF SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. THE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES WHICH WERE ORIGINALLY PROTECTED FOR INDUSTRIAL USES. WITH THAT STAFF REMAINS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND VARIANCES WITH CONDITIONS TO ALLOW FOR THE EXPANSION OF AN ACCESSORY LOT. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'LL BE AVAILABLE FOR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY [49:43] **Chair Meyer:** THANK YOU, NICK. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC NOT SEEING ANY I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IS THE APPLICANT HERE WHEN YOU SAY GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND GO AHEAD AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT. [49:55] **Chris Cunningham:** GOOD EVENING. OH, I GUESS I GET UP HERE I'M CHRIS CUNNINGHAM. THIS IS ANDREW CUNNINGHAM HELLO. HE'S MY BROTHER. THANK YOU FOR HEARING US TONIGHT AND LISTENING TO NICHOLAS' GREAT PRESENTATION ON OUR PROJECTS. I JUST HAVE ONE CORRECTION. IT'S FOWLING. I WOULD I WILL THROW THAT IN THERE. WE APPRECIATE I GUESS THE FLEXIBILITY AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONSIDER THESE VARIANCE REQUESTS. THE ONE, I GUESS, QUESTION OR REQUEST WE WOULD HAVE WOULD BE TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT TO ADD THE FOUR ISLANDS WITH TREES. YOU KNOW, IT'S -- WE'VE -- WE'VE WORKED WITH OUR CONTRACTOR. WE GOT PRICING FOR IT. IT'S LIKE $30,000 FOR THE FOUR ISLANDS WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT FOR OUR LITTLE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, AS OPPOSED TO SOME OTHER PROJECTS. SO, YOU KNOW -- FROM -- IT TAKES IT FROM A TRA NET ADD OF 10 STALLS TO 6 STALLS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE LOSE A COUPLE SPOTS, OBVIOUSLY, OUR GOAL IS TO GET AS MANY ONSITE PARKING STALLS AS WE CAN GIVEN, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT -- WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE PERVIOUS AT HER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO TREES. WE LIKE TREES BUT IT'S JUST A HARD THING FOR US TO ACCOMMODATE TIP OF IN THE PROJECT. YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DO'S ASK IF -- WE'D ASK IF THAT COULD BE REMOVED OR POTENTIALLY DELAYED TO A FURTHER EXTENSION OF 5 YEARS PERHAPS. OR MAYBE WHEN WE GET THIS CONNECTION FROM THE TRANSIT TO THE FARMERS' MARKET. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE'D LIKE TO KIND OF SHARE WITH YOU IS A PLAN FROM THE NORTH LOOP ASSOCIATION THAT WAS DONE IN 2019 THAT HIGHLIGHTED THIS PROPERTY. AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE TRANSIT STOP IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF OUR BUILDINGS, AND AS NICHOLAS SAID THERE'S ABOUT A 10, 12 FOOT DROP THAT GOES FROM THE BACK PARKI LOT TO THE FARMERS' MARKET. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE TO FOSTER YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF A PROMENADE THAT WOULD CONNECT THE FARMERS' MARKET TO THE TRANSIT STOP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT IS A WONDERFUL, YOU KNOW -- IT IS A WONDERFUL FEATURE THAT FARMERS' MARKET. YOU KNOW, IT TOOK ME 5 MINUTES JUST TO GET TO, YOU KNOW, MY BUILDING -- OR OUR BUILDING, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, COMING DOWN ROYALSTON AND AROUND BECAUSE IT IS JUST A HAPPENING KIND OF THING. YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF IT COULD BE DEFERRED UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS AT THAT POINT. THERE ARE NO PLANS BY US BUT WE'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, HELP IMPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER WE CAN BY -- BY FOSTERING THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE FARMERS' MARKET AND THE TRANSIT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, ONE COULD POSSIBLY SEE, YOU KNOW, THE REDUCTION OF FURTHER PARKING MAKE THAT PROMENADE HAPPEN. SO IT'S HARD FOR US TO LOSE STALLS IT NOW AND THEN LOSE MORE STALLS -- I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE -- WE HAVE MORE STALLS THAN WHAT WE'D NORMALLY BE ALLOWED AND WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY BUT ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT OR WHAT DID I MISS, I GUESS? [53:39] **Andrew Cunningham:** I THINK YOU GOT IT ALL GOOD, ARCHITECT. [53:42] **Chris Cunningham:** OKAY. SO, YES, ANDREW, EX-ENGINEER HE'S GOING TO BE THE GENERAL MANAGER AT THE FOWL BEING WAREHOUSE SO IT'S KIND OF A PERSONAL ENDEAVOR OF OURS SO WITH SOME OTHER INVESTORS AND IT'LL BE A GREAT PROJECT, AND WE'RE REALLY PLEASED TO BE IN THE NORTH LOOP AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR US THAT WE CAN STAND FOR? [54:07] **Chair Meyer:** I SAY JUST ABOUT TO OPEN THAT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER CONLEY? [54:13] **Commissioner Conley:** THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND. AND THANK YOU, GREAT PRESENTATION. I APPRECIATE THE WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE. LOOKING AT THIS, THOUGH, I WANT TO DIVE MORE INTO THESE TREES 'CAUSE WHAT I APPRECIATE ABOUT THIS REQUIREMENT IS THAT WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HEAT ISLANDS AND HEAT POLLUTION ALL THE THINGS AND SO I LOVE THE IDEA OF TREES AS A REQUIREMENT OF INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN SPECIFICALLY, ALL YOU SEE IS CONTRACT. I DON'T SEE ANY GREEN SPACE EXCEPT FOR A LITTLE SLIVERS HERE AND THERE. THAT'S URBAN DESIGN; RIGHT? BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STOOD OUT TO ME ABOUT YOUR PROPOSALS YOU'RE NOT DOING IT BY ADDING MORE CONCRETE BUT YOU'RE BEING INNOVATIVE AND I THINK IT'S TO GET WHAT YOU NEED WITHOUT EXPANDING -- ADDING MORE CONCRETE; RIGHT? SO TALK TO ME A LITTLE BIT MORE -- ASIDE FROM THE COST-PROHIBITIVE NATURE, I HEARD THAT. IT'S $30,000 FOR THE FOUR TREE ISLANDS WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ADDING COSTS BUT YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE, LIKE, 6 SPOTS. TALK ME THROUGH MORE HOW WE CAN BE MORE INNOVATIVE WITH THE TREES? [55:30] **Chris Cunningham:** SURE, YEAH. I GUESS WHEN WE RESTRIPED IT I WAS ABLE TO GET IT UP TO -- GO TO THE NEXT ONE. SO 71 STALLS -- OR I GUESS TOTAL OF 80 YEA STALLS THERE WITHOUT THE ISLANDS. WE DID SCRUNCH DOWN THE DRIVE AISLES. DID OUR MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, ISLANDS THERE. TO GET THE TREES 7 FOOT WIDE. SO WITHOUT ADDING THE ISLANDS, WE ARE ABLE TO ADD 10 STALLS TO WHAT IS -- TO A DIFFERENT -- BY IS TRYING TO LOT DIFFERENTLY -- STRIPING THE LOT DIFFERENTLY. SO RIGHT NOW THERE ARE 60 STALLS, I THINK,. PREPONDERANCE IF WE CHANGE AROUND THE STRIPING, WE CAN GET UP TO 70 STALLS AND THEN -- YEAH, 71 STALLS IN THE BACK AND THEN IF WE SCRUNCH THE DRIVE AISLES, PUT THE -- OUR NET ADD WOULD BE 6 STALLS INSTEAD OF 10 STALLS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? [56:49] **Commissioner Conley:** MR. -- IT DOES. SO ALL 4 OF THE ISLANDS YOU DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO TO GET TO THE 80 SPACES? [56:59] **Chris Cunningham:** NO. [57:01] **Commissioner Conley:** OKAY. [57:02] **Chris Cunningham:** NO. NO. NOT WITH UNDEFEATED OTHER -- I GUESS -- NOT WITH THE OTHER -- I GUESS STALL REQUIREMENTS IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. SO I SCRUNCHED AND STRETCHED AND LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THAT EXISTING PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE -- YEAH, SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE EFFECTIVE WITH OUR PROJECT AND OUR DOLLARS AND, YEAH, I DIDN'T WANT TO ADD TO THAT SO -- [57:31] **Commissioner Conley:** THANK YOU. [57:34] **Chris Cunningham:** YEP. [57:36] **Chair Meyer:** ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. [57:39] **Chris Cunningham:** THANK YOU. [57:41] **Chair Meyer:** WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? I'M NOT SEEING ANY SO I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL START OFF BY SAYING I FULLY SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. I THINK IT'S VERY REASONABLE TO RESTRIPE THE EXISTING SPACES ADDING MORE PARKING SPOTS WITHOUT ADDING MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT KEEP THE TREES THAT STAFF HAVE INCLUDED AS A CONDITION. I THINK IT WAS A MISTAKE TO ALLOW SURFACE PARKING LOTS LIKE THIS ONE WITHOUT THOSE AMENITIES BECAUSE IT HAS AS COMMISSIONER CONLEY WAS SAYING, LED TO A MAJOR HEAT ISLAND DEFECT AND THE TREES PROVIDES A REFUGE FOR BIRDS AND OTHER ANIMALS AND I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET MORE OF THOSE WHEN WE HAVE IT SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE FULL STAFF RECOMMENDATION INCLUDING THE TREE RECOMMENDATION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? [58:50] **Commissioner Jones:** I'LL MOVE IT -- I'LL MOVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. [58:54] **Commissioner Thompson:** SECOND [58:55] **Chair Meyer:** ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. (ROLL CALL.) [59:15] **Kimberly Holien:** WE HAVE 9 AYES, AND 0 NAYS. [59:24] **Chair Meyer:** THAT IS ADOPTED. CAN WE GET ADOPTED WITH THE CLOSED CAPTIONING AVAILABILITY. [59:30] **Staff:** WE WERE ABLE TO GET AN EXTENSION UNTIL 7:30. [59:35] **Chair Meyer:** OKAY, GREAT. SO OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 8, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON HAD SAID YOU JUST WANTED A PRESENTATION. DO YOU WANT -- [59:40] **Commissioner Thompson:** YEAH, I JUST WAS -- I JUST HAD -- I READ IT THOROUGHLY AND I DON'T KNOW PROCEDURALLY SINCE I REQUESTED A PRESENTATION IF WE HAVE TO DO THE WHO THING. I KNOW WE'RE HITTING ALMOST 6:00. [59:55] **Chair Meyer:** WELL, WE GOT AN EXTENSION ON THE CLOSED CAPTIONING SO IT'S OKAY IF YOU WANT TO -- [1:00:01] **Commissioner Thompson:** I WOULD LOVE -- I WOULD LOVE A SHORT ONE AND A CHANCE TO JUST UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT SLIGHTLY BETTER. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. [1:00:15] **Aurin Chowdhury:** ALL RIGHT. SO THE FORMER 150-ROOM SHERATON HOTEL AT THE MIDTOWN GLOBAL MARKET THAT WAS BUILT IN 2004 -- THE APPLICANT -- THE PROPOSAL IS TO CONVERT THAT FORMER HOTEL INTO 182-PERSON STAYED CREDENTIALED CARE FACILITY -- STATE CREDENTIALED CARE FACILITY. THERE'S FOUR USES AS PART OF THIS PROJECT ON THAT GROUND FLOOR, TWO ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, A COFFEE SHOP AND CAFE. A MEDICAL OFFICE SPACE AND THEN THIRD ELEMENT ON THAT FIRST FLOOR IS OFFICE SPACE FOR THE OPERATOR. UPPER FLOOR IS WHERE THE MAIN USE THAT STATE CREDENTIALED FACILITY WOULD BE LOCATED IS UPPER FLOORS, EXCUSE ME, FOR THE 182 INDIVIDUALS. ZONING CODE DEFINITION FOR OUR SFCFST IS A CONGREGATE LIVING USE WHERE TWO OR MORE PERSONS RESIDE UNDER THE CARE OR SUPERVISION OF PROGRAM LICENSED BY THE STATE OF MINNESOTA PROVIDING SUPPORTIVE SERVICES FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS. WHICH THE APPLICANT SPREADSHEETSING TO DO -- IS PROPOSES TO DO. THE ZONING DISTRICT WHICH IS LOCATED CM3 ALLOWS SCCF WHICH ALLOWS 17 OR MORE BEDS AS A CONDITIONAL USE. AND I CAN QUICKLY GO THROUGH THOSE FINDINGS IF YOU'D LIKE -- CPED SEIZED THE MEETINGS FINDING 1 AND 2 NOT BEING DETRIMENTAL OR ENDANGERED THE PUBLIC HEALTH OR INJURIOUS TO THE SURROUNDING AREA IT WILL COMPLYING WITH THE BUILDING REQUIREMENTS LICENSED BY THE STATE INTENDED TO PROVIDE A STAY ENVIRONMENT FOR INDIVIDUALS PURSUING SOBRIETY AND 24-HOUR STAFFING BY ONE OPERATOR. FINDING 3 -- THERE'S "UTILITIES ACCESS ROWS AND DRAINAGE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SITE PLAN WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT STAFF HAS TO MEET THE SAME LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS WHEN IT WAS COMPLETED. FINDING 4, SAFE RIGHT-OF-WAY WITH THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. AGAIN, HAVING A SITE PLAN THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED NOT TOO LONG AGO AND THAT STAFF FINDS THIS TO BE A GREAT LOCATION FOR ALTERNATIVE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION WITH PEDESTRIAN ACCESS BIKE AND BUS ACCESS AND MAINTAIN THE 71-SPACE SURFACE PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. AND FINALLY FINDINGS 5 AND 6 CPED SEES THE PROJECT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OTHER REGULATION THAT. . IT EXPANDS HOUSING CHOICES REPURPOSES AN EXISTING BUILDING AND MEETS THE CM3 REQUIREMENTS IN REPORTER NO AGO COMMERCIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL USE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. PROJECT THE SCCF ELEMENT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SPACING REQUIREMENTS. SO, AGAIN, SEES THE PROJECT MEETING THE FINDINGS. THERE WERE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS RECEIVED WITH THE PROJECT PROJECT NOTICING SO CPED IS RECOMMENDING THE PROPOSAL WITH THE CONDITIONS IN REQUIRING THE CONDITIONS OF THE COUNTY CONDITIONAL USE SITE PLAN, CONTINUING COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMMERCIAL REQUIREMENTS ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THE BIKE PARKING. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. [1:04:00] **Chair Meyer:** ANY QUESTIONS FOR AURIN? COMMISSIONER JONES? [1:04:05] **Commissioner Jones:** YEAH, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ARE THEY GOING TO BE DOING INTERIOR RECONFIGURATION, LIKE, PUTTING, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY SPACE AND KITCHENS AND OTHER FACILITIES TO SUPPORT -- I'M JUST CURIOUS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PLANNING COMMISSION QUESTION -- [1:04:20] **Aurin Chowdhury:** I CAN LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK MORE TO THIS BUT THERE'LL DEFINITELY BE -- I BELIEVE RENOVATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE THE FOUR DIFFERENT USES INCLUDING THAT CAFE AND COFFEE SHOP THAT DOES SHOW KITCHEN SPACE IN THIS AREA. BUT CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER JONES, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY. [1:04:45] **Chair Meyer:** ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. [1:04:47] **Commissioner Thompson:** THANK YOU, CHAIR. I THINK MOTIONS OF MY QUESTIONS PROBABLY -- I THINK THE MAJORITY OF MY QUESTIONS WOULD BE FOR THE APPLICANT. I'M JUST CURIOUS OF THE LEVELS SO THANK YOU. PROBABLY QUESTIONS SIMILAR TO COMMISSIONER JONES. THANK YOU. [1:05:00] **Chair Meyer:** ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING? SEEING NONE, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING DO WE HAVE THE APPLICANT WITH US. INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. [1:05:10] **Jacob:** MY NAME IS JACOB SEVENTEEN WE REPRESENT THE APPLICANT. EXCUSE ME. I WON'T REPEAT EVERYTHING THAT AT THAT AURIN MENTIONED BUT I WILL TRY TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. I DO WANT TO SAY THIS IS AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY TO TURN -- TO TAKE WHAT HAS BEEN A LONG CLOSED FACILITY INTO A VERY ACTIVE USE THAT WILL SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY IT'LL BE A SAFE AND ACTIVE USE AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY. WITH THE QUESTION I THINK WAS: WILL THERE BE KITCHENS? THERE ARE A NUMBER OF UNITS THAT CURRENTLY ARE KIND OF LONGER TERM STAY BUT THERE'S AN EXISTING KITCHEN ONSITE AND THIS WILL OPERATE IN MANY WAYS VERY MUCH AS A HOTEL. MANY OF THE RESIDENTS WILL COME AND GO. IT'S JUST SIMPLY A LONGER STAY WITH SOME SUPPORTIVE WRAP-AROUND SERVICES ONSITE SO THERE WILL BE A KITCHEN WITH FOOD AVAILABILITY BUT MANY OF THEM WILL HAVE JOBS JOBS TO GO TO THEIR FAMILIES AND EAT THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY [1:06:17] **Chair Meyer:** QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER THOMPSON? [1:06:21] **Commissioner Thompson:** THANK YOU, CHAIR. I GUESS YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO ABBOTT, I WAS CURIOUS IF THIS -- YOU KNOW, THESE NEW FOR THE STATE AND FOR THE CITY AND I KIND OF TAKE SERIOUSLY AS EVERYONE WHO COMES UP IN THIS ONE IS RATHER LARGE IN POSITIVE WAYS BUT CHALLENGING WAYS. IS THIS MEANT TO BE MORE OF LIKE A -- DARE I SAY LIKE A HOSPITAL/HOSPICE RECOVERY TYPE FACILITY OR MORE OF A TEMPORARY HOUSING FROM -- IS IT MEANT TO BE FROM THE HOSPITAL OR IS IT JUST AN OPPORTUNITY THAT IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY? [1:07:05] **Jacob:** SO THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION AND I'M SORRY CHAIR, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON THAT IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION BECAUSE THIS IS NEW USES AND THIS IS PERHAPS A LITTLE BIT LESS INTENSE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER MODELS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN. YES, THE INTENT IS THAT THESE -- THESE ARE GUESTS WHO HAVE BEEN DISCHARGED, IF THEY HAVE BEEN HOSPITALIZED. EVERY ONE OF THESE RESIDENTS IS COMMITTED TO SOBRIETY. THEY ARE VERY FAR LISTALONG THEIR JOURNE THIS IS A LESS INTENSE -- I THINK A LEVEL 3.5 OR 3.8 WHEN ONE IS STARTING. SO THERE WILL NOT BE INTENSIVE MEDICAL SERVICES ONSITE. AGAIN, THE PROXIMITY IS A IS A -- IT WILL BE REALLY A COINCIDENCE. THERE WILL BE MEDICAL OFFICES ONSITE. WE CAN'T DISCLOSE WHO THOSE -- THAT OPERATOR WILL BE, BUT IF WE HAVE OUR WAY, IT WILL BE A VERY LARGE OPERATOR THAT IS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY. [1:08:07] **Commissioner Thompson:** THANK YOU. JUST ANOTHER QUESTION AND I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER. HAS THIS -- AND I WAS LOOKING UP THE NAME AND I THOUGHT I WROTE IT DOWN BUT I DIDN'T. THE CONTRACTOR WHO IS GOING TO PUT THIS TOGETHER, DO THEY DO HAVE ANY OTHER LOCATIONS -- THEY'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. IS THIS A BRAND-NEW SERVICE FOR THEM AND SOBRIETY INCORPORATED I BELIEVE IS WHAT THE NAME IS. [1:08:31] **Jacob:** SOBRIETY -- AND THAT WILL BE THE OPERATOR OF THE SCCF -- OR ONE OF THE PARTNERS, BUT IT'S DESIGNED THAT IT CAN INTERCHANGE WITH ANY ONE OF THE OPERATORS. YES, THIS IS A SEASONED OPERATOR THAT HAS A NUMBER OF FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE TWIN CITIES. [1:08:49] **Commissioner Thompson:** OKAY. [1:08:50] **Jacob:** AND, AGAIN, THERE'S -- THERE ARE A LOT OF OPERATORS OUT THERE BUT THIS IS IN MANY WAYS A MUCH LESS INTENSE USE THAT REALLY FITS VERY WELL. YOU KNOW, ARGUABLY THIS, YOU KNOW -- GIVEN THE BROAD DEFINITION, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY FALL UNDER THE CLASSIFICATION OF A HOTEL BUT BECAUSE OF THIS VERY SPECIFIC NEW DEFINITION, WE FELT IT NECESSARY TO JUST GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS. [1:09:17] **Commissioner Thompson:** THANK YOU I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWERS. THANK YOU. [1:09:25] **Chair Meyer:** COMMISSIONER JONES, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER CONLEY? [1:09:30] **Commissioner Conley:** THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I APPRECIATE IT. ONE QUESTION THAT I HAVE TO START OUT WITH IS SOBRIETY, INC., A FOR-PROFIT ENTITY? [1:09:42] **Jacob:** YOU KNOW, I WILL HAVE TO -- I BELIEVE -- I BELIEVE IT IS A FOR-PROFIT ENTITY. IT IS A PARTNER AGAIN -- IF IT WEREN'T FOR THOSE PLANS THAT WERE PREPARED BY SOBRIETY, INC., WE WOULDN'T BE ADVERTISE A PARTNER SPECIFICALLY. WE ARE COMMITTED TO OUR PARTNER BUT WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO OPERATE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF -- PARTNER AGNOSTIC BUT, YES, THIS IS -- YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GENERALLY FOR-PROFIT. [1:10:08] **Commissioner Conley:** RIGHT. SO THESE TYPES OF PERMITS ARE NEW AS YOU KNOW. [1:10:14] **Jacob:** THANK YOU. [1:10:15] **Commissioner Conley:** TO MEET THE DEMAND FOR WHAT -- FOR THE TYPES OF TREATMENT NEEDS THAT WE NEED FOR OVERWHELMING INCREASES IN MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORTS AND OPIOID USE WITHIN -- WITHIN OUR STATE AND I'LL SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THIS AREA, THIS COMMUNITY THAT I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF REPRESENTING ON THE HENNEPIN COUNTY BOARD. THIS LOCATION HAS A SIGNIFICANT HISTORY AND I'M NOT SURE THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE AWARE WHO ARE ACTIVELY GOING AFTER THE PERMITS. WHILE WE DO NEED IT IN OUR COMMUNITY, I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THIS AREA -- THIS SPECIFIC HOTEL HAS A HISTORY TO IT, 5 YEARS AGO, THAT OUR COMMUNITY WAS PRETTY MUCH DEVASTATED BY AND NOT JUST -- NOT JUST THE FIRES AND THE UPRISING BUT ALSO THIS SPACE WAS USED TO GATHER. IT WAS USED FOR PEOPLE WHO WERE UNHOUSED AND IT WAS ALSO USED FOR MUTUAL AID. THE COMMUNITY TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES TO house PEOPLE THERE WHO WOULD HAVE BURNED TO DEATH HAD IT WEREN'T BEEN FOR THE SHERATON. WHEN I WAS COMING IN TODAY, I RAN INTO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE LAKE STREET COUNCIL WHO WAS PLANNING TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM TODAY BUT JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. SO MY CONCERN IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE REAL OUTREACH WITH THE RESIDENTS, THE COUNCILS AND THE COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THIS LOCATION, WHO HAVE IDEAS TO SHARE, WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN IT CONVERSATIONS -- IN CONVERSATIONS THAT HAPPEN BEFORE YOU GET HERE. I CAN THINK OF A FEW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT CENTER, LAKE STREET COUNCIL. THERE'S SOME GREAT PARTNERS ON THAT STRETCH OF LAKE STREET WHO WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT -- WHILE THE OPERATOR CAN'T BE DISCLOSED, I'M HAPPY THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY BUT ALSO I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITIES AROUND -- WITHIN THE MIDTOWN PHILLIPS AREA, IN AND AROUND -- WHAT WAS THE SHERATON HOTEL BECAUSE I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS CERTAINLY WHAT WE NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY, HOW IT'S SHAPED, HOW IT LOOKS, HOW IT OPERATES IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO NEED SUBSTANTIAL RESIDENTIAL IMPACT. SO WHILE THERE WAS A QUESTION IN THERE I THINK IT WAS ANSWERED BUT IT'S MORE SO SHARING WHAT I'VE HEARD AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS AREA FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS. [1:13:00] **Jacob:** YEAH, CHAIR COMMISSIONER CONLEY THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS AND THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT LOST ON US. YOU KNOW, I THINK -- I'D I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS YES, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP AND WE WILL BE PRESENTING TO THEM IN -- I BELIEVE IT'S EVEN NEXT WEEK WITH MIDTOWN PHILLIPS NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP AND WE DO FULLY INTEND TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE NEAT THINGS ABOUT THIS USE SPECIFICALLY IS, YOU KNOW, A HOTEL -- A STRUGGLING HOTEL IN PARTICULAR CAN'T AFFORD THE SECURITY THAT THIS SITE NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WILL BE A SAFE USE. THIS USE ITSELF WILL ACCOMMODATE AND REQUIRE 24 HOURS A DAY SECURITY BOTH INSIDE AND OUTSIDE AND WHO WE SEE IT AS A NET IMPROVEMENT AND WE'VE ALREADY -- WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN MAINTAINING LONGSTANDING DIALOG WITH THE OWNERS AND MANAGERS THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THE REAL ESTATE OWNERS ASSOCIATION WITH THE MIDTOWN EXCHANGE SO THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE CONTINUE TO HAVE AND WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO BE NIMBLE IN TERMS OF OUR OPERATIONS AND WE ABSOLUTELY WILL SO WE CAN BE RESPONSIVE SO IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT LOST ON US THAT THIS IS A PLACE, YOU KNOW, REAL COMMUNITY TRAUMA AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANT HE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A SAFE, ACTIVE HEALTHY PLACE FOR THE COMMUNITY. [1:14:15] **Chair Meyer:** ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER CHOWDHURY? [1:14:18] **Commissioner Aurin Chowdhury:** THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I ECHO A LOT OF THE SENTIMENTS THAT COMMISSIONER CONLEY SHARED. SHE BASICALLY TEED OFF THE QUESTION THAT WAS KIND OF GOING THROUGH MY HEAD AND GOING BACK TO 2020 AND JUST PART OF THE IS OUTSIDE COMMUNITY AND I KNOW YOU MENTIONED YOU'RE PLANNING ON MEETING THE MIDTOWN FILLIPS YOU NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION BUT I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT OTHER GROUPS ARE YOU PLANNING ON MEETING WITH BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY STAKEHOLDERS ALONG THE LAKE STREET CORNERED THAT ARE INVOLVED IN NOT ONLY THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND ITS FUTURE IN THRIVING BUT ALSO IN SUPPORTING UNHOUSED COMMUNITY MEMBERS. SUPPORTING WOMEN WHO ARE FACING DOMESTIC ABUSE, FAMILY PARTNERSHIP FOR ONE AND -- WHO ARE JUST LIKE REALLY, REALLY INVESTED FOR THE LAST -- I WOULD SAY, LIKE, 30, 40 YEARS IN THE SAFETY, VIBRANCY OF THIS CORNERED, SO, YEAH, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WHAT KIND OF OUTREACH YOU'RE DOING AND WHO'S IN MIND. [1:15:26] **Jacob:** WE HAVE MAINTAINED A LOT OF DIALOG CERTAINLY WITH LAKE STREET COUNCIL AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN FOCUSED VERY MUCH ON OUR -- KIND OF OUR INTERNAL PARTNERS WITH THE REOA WHICH INCLUDES, OF COURSE, ALLINA, RYAN AND ALL OF THEIR OPERATIONS FOLKS BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY EXTENSIVE THE ALLINA IS WITH OPERATIONS. SO WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU WE ARE COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO BE INVOLVED OF WITH REALLY ANYONE WHO WILL HAVE US AND STAFF HAS MY CONTACT INFORMATION AND IF THERE'S A SUGGESTION THAT YOU HAVE, WE CERTAINLY MET WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINCI AND WE WOULD HAPPILY TAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS AND MAINTAINING THAT DIALOG. IT REALLY IS INTENDED TO BE AN ONGOING DIALOG. [1:16:10] **Commissioner Aurin Chowdhury:** THAT'S GREAT. I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH SOME STAKEHOLDERS THAT I THINK WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTED IN HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH YOU. MY NEXT QUESTION IS JUST KIND OF GETTING AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHO THIS WILL SERVE. AND HOW CLIENTS/PATIENTS ARE GOING TO BE REFERRED TO THIS LOCATION? [1:16:34] **Jacob:** YEAH. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A POPULATION THAT IS LARGELY IN THIS COMMUNITY ALREADY. THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO AGAIN ARE VERY COMMITTED TO SOBRIETY. THEY NEED A KIND OF STABLE GROUND AND A FRAMEWORK TO HELP SUPPORT THEM AS THEY MAKE THAT NEXT STEP INTO FULL ON -- FULL-FLEDGED HOUSING SO THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE REFERRED THROUGH OFTENTIMES THROUGH THE HOSPITALS IN THE COMMUNITY AND OTHER MORE INTENSIVE PROGRAMS THAT IT EXIST AND, AGAIN, IT'S PART OF THE CONTINUUM OF CARE. YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY AFTER THE 30 TO 60 DAYS -- AND, AGAIN, THIS IS A REMINDER THIS IS -- NONE OF THESE ARE MANDATORY STAYS. EVERYONE IS HERE VOLUNTARILY. THIS IS A VERY SECURED FACILITY BUT IT'S NOT A LOCKED FACILITY AND WE DO ANTICIPATE PEOPLE BEING THERE 30 TO 90 DAYS BUT THEY CAN LEAVE AT ANY TIME, AND WHEN THEY LEAVE, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THEY'LL EITHER GO, YOU KNOW, LIVE WITH FRIENDS OR FAMILY OR INTO SOME OF THE SOBER HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY AND, FRANKLY, IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL SO, AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A NEW SYSTEM BUT IT'S PART OF THAT BROADER CONTINUUM OF CARE SO PEOPLE DON'T END UP BACK ON THE STREET AND END UP WITH THEIR -- YEAH, FALLING BACK INTO OLD HABITS. [1:17:57] **Commissioner Aurin Chowdhury:** GREAT, THANK YOU, AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE A BIG PRIORITY IN SERVING THE COMMUNITY THAT IS GOING TO BE WITHIN AND I KNOW THAT OTHER CARE FACILITIES HAVE H HAD PARTNERSHIPS WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY FACILITIES IS THERE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS? [1:18:17] **Jacob:** YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO DEPEND WHO OUR FINAL OPERATOR IS GOING TO BE. WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PRESSURE ON BEDS IN THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM IN THE COMMUNITY BUT AGAIN TO YOUR POINT WE'RE NOT -- WE DON'T ANTICIPATE OUR RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO COME TO US. WE'RE COMING TO THEM, WHERE THEY LIVE IN THEIR COMMUNITY [1:18:38] **Commissioner Aurin Chowdhury:** GREAT. I'LL JUST CLOSE WITH SAYING THAT -- I THINK THIS IS A VERY -- A VERY FORTUITOUS OPPORTUNITY THAT'S HERE BEFORE US. FOR AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THE SHERATON HOTEL GIVEN THE HISTORY OF 2020 AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO NOT ONLY NEEDED SHELTER BECAUSE OF THE FIRES BUT ALSO JUST THE ECONOMIC UPHEAVAL OF THAT TIME. AND I REMEMBER MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS JUST ARE NEIGHBORS, MANY STREET MEMBERS COUNCIL LOOKING TO ELECTED MEMBERS TO SEE IF THE SHERATON COULD BE A SHELTER AND SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY -- FROM MY VIEW PRETTY REMARKABLE TO SEE THAT IT'S HEADED IN A DIRECTION TO SERVE A POPULATION OF PEOPLE THAT WE CURRENTLY ARE VERY REGULARLY ACROSS ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT ARE UNDERSERVING AND I THINK A HUGE PART OF WHAT WE WE'RE MISSING IS A PLACE WHERE FOLKS CAN LEARN HOW TO REINTEGRATE BACK INTO COMMUNITY, BACK INTO EVERY DAY SOCIETY AFTER HAVING REALLY, REALLY DEEP STRUGGLE WITH SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER AND THEIR OWN SOBRIETY AND I THINK US AS ELECTED MEMBERS REGULARLY SEE THAT, OTHERS REGULARLY SEE THAT AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU ALL TAKING THE TRANSPARENT PROCESS AND GOING THROUGH THIS AND I APPRECIATE STAFF'S WORK IN BRINGING THIS FORWARD TO US [1:20:25] **Chair Meyer:** COMMISSIONER GORDON? [1:20:29] **Commissioner Gordon:** YEAH, THANK YOU. THIS IS ALSO JUST FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONERS CONLEY AND CHOWDHURY'S COMMENTS THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MORE BEDS ARE GREAT IN THIS ADAPTED REUSE PROJECT. YOU KNOW, YOU ARE DEALING WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THE CONTINUUM OF CARE. I WOULD ALSO JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT TO GROUPS LIKE IS OUTSIDE HARM REDUCTION AND NAC THOSE ARE TWO IN PARTICULAR WHO HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH UNDERSERVED GROUPS A LOT OF TIMES. PEOPLE WITH DEEP HISTORY, DEEP CONNECTIONS TO THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT YOU SEEK TO SERVE AND JUST HAVE A LOT OF CONTACTS AND KNOWLEDGE THAT WOULD HELP. THANK YOU. [1:21:14] **Chair Meyer:** THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. NOT SEEING ANY. THANK YOU. WROTE ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS -- [1:21:23] **Commissioner Thompson:** I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS ITEM FOR APPROVAL. [1:21:29] **Commissioner Baxley:** ALL RIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND. [1:21:31] **Commissioner Conley:** SECOND. [1:21:32] **Chair Meyer:** ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. (ROLL CALL.) [1:21:55] **Kimberly Holien:** WE HAVE AYES AND 0 NAYS. [1:22:03] **Chair Meyer:** THAT IS DUPED. NEXT ITEM 9 IS 1600, 1608, 1612 LAKE STREET. IN WARD 10. [1:22:15] **Kimberly Holien:** CHAIR MEYER, SO STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED THIS ONE FOR DISCUSSION ANTICIPATING THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WOULD BE PRESENT. I BELIEVE THE ONLY REMAINING MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IS THE APPLICANT ON THIS ITEM SO WOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION STILL LIKE A PRESENTATION ON THIS ONE, OTHERWISE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS WAS FOR APPROVAL. [1:22:33] **Chair Meyer:** ANYONE? ALL RIGHT. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? [1:22:40] **Commissioner Jones:** I WILL MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION. [1:22:42] **Commissioner Thompson:** SECOND. [1:22:44] **Commissioner Baxley:** SECOND. [1:22:46] **Chair Meyer:** ALL RIGHT. ANY SEDUCTION? ALL IN -- ANY DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. [1:22:49] **Commissioners:** AYE. [1:22:50] **Chair Meyer:** ADOPTED AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS FOR THE DAY. WE DO HAVE A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THURSDAY ON JULY 10TH AND THEN -- [1:23:05] **Kimberly Holien:** CHAIR MEYER, DID WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING -- WE STILL NEED A PUBLIC HEARING -- WE DO WE NOTICED IT AS A PUBLIC HEARING EVEN IF NO ONE'S HERE WE STILL NEED TO OPEN AND CLOSE IT. [1:23:10] **Chair Meyer:** ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK TO ITEM NO. 9? I'LL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING? (SPEAKER NOT MIC'D.) DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO IT? NO, OKAY. (LAUGH.) ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE NEED TO VOTE AGAIN? [1:23:35] **Kimberly Holien:** YEAH. [1:23:36] **Commissioner Thompson:** OKAY. I'LL MOVE IT FOR APPROVAL. [1:23:38] **Commissioner Jones:** A SECOND. [1:23:40] **Chair Meyer:** ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [1:23:42] **Commissioners:** AYE. [1:23:43] **Chair Meyer:** OPPOSED. ABSTENTIONS THAT'S ADOPTED. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'RE DONE. (LAUGH.) THANK YOU TO ASPEN FOR SITTING THROUGH THAT. [1:24:00] **Staff:** DAVE, YOU GOT A GOOD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. [1:24:02] **Chair Meyer:** ARE WE GAVELED OUT -- [1:24:04] **Kimberly Holien:** NO UPDATES FROM STAFF OTHER THAN WE DO HAVE ONE ITEM AT COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE THIS THURSDAY. IT IS A UPCOMING TEXT AMENDMENT RELATED TO THE MINIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS IN SOME OF OUR BUILT FORUM DISTRICTS SO THERE'LL BE A PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION ON THAT AS OUR CODEVELOPMENT TEAM WORKS ON PREPARING A FINAL RECOMMENDATION. [1:24:28] **Chair Meyer:** ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, EVERYONE. WE ARE ADJOURNED.