I now declare that the Plano City councils reconvened into open session and that all members are present except for Mayor Munz and Council member Smith. He'll be here shortly We will begin tonight's regular meeting with invocation led by Father Jason, Cargo pastor with Saint Mark the Evangelist Catholic Church and please join the councilor, citing the Pledge of Allegiance in Texas pledge, please stand. So we are not quite finished with our executive session, So we're going to go back over there and try to be as efficient as possible. So I now declare that the Plano City Council is Reconvened into executive session and We are sorry, C, a closed executive meeting pursuant to the provisions of Vernon's Texas Code Annotated Government Code chapter. 551 Opens meeting Act in accordance with the authority in section 5 51 071 to consult with the attorney to receive legal advice and discuss litigation section 5 51 072 Discuss real estate matters in section 5 51 074 discuss personnel matters. Got it. Thank you. Check one. Check Two. Check. One. Check. Two. Yeah. Doing? Testing the microphone testing 12. Testing Verify that the, um microphone is being heard easily. Test. Testing out the microphones verifying that it can be heard in the back of the room. I now declare that the Plano City Council is reconvened open session and all council members are present except for Council member Ricky Deli Council member Homer and our mayor. All right. Our first item on the preliminary agenda is consideration and action resulting from executive session . Personnel appointments, reappointment for our North Texas Municipal water District board member Council member Horn. Yes, Mayor. Uh, Madam Mayor. Uh after discussions and interviews with, uh, Mr Ron Kelly. I'd like to reappoint him to the North Texas Municipal Water District. As our representative, he is serving admirably on the wastewater. He's chairman of the Wastewater board and also the solid waste board. So I think he represents the city well. And second As we have a motion in a second to reappoint. Ron Kelly to the North Texas Miss Water District. Please raise your hand if you are in favor. And that passes 5 to 0. All right. Next we have consent and regular agendas. Any items Anyone wish to remove. All right. Next council items for discussion action on future agendas. Any items. Great. So we will move on. For a regular meeting. And I will start with a proclamation. It is national volunteer month, whereas volunteers in Plano engages volunteers representative of the rich diversity of our community, from scouts to older adults and from lifelong residents to new arrivals, all who participate in service to better Plano. And whereas volunteers enhance services provided to city of Plano residents and extend capacity of city departments, and whereas volunteers give their time and talents to the many wonderful community organizations in Plano to contribute to a vibrant, healthy and stronger community. And whereas 6761 dedicated volunteers serve 78,069 hours with the city of Plano in 2023, and whereas national volunteer mutt takes place each year to celebrate the impact of volunteer service and the power of volunteers to tackle society's great challenges to build stronger communities and be a force that transforms the world now, therefore, I Casey Prince on behalf of John B, Ms Mayor of the city of Plano, Texas, do hereby proclaim April 2024 as national volunteer month in Plano. I do hereby encourage citizens to join me and the Plano City Council in honoring and thanking all who volunteer specially in our city of excellence. So thank you to any of you out here who volunteer in our city. Oh, yay! Yeah! Please stand up. If you're a volunteer Thank you so much. We? We appreciate all of your all all that you do to make Sydney our city. Wonderful. We couldn't do it without all of our wonderful volunteers. All right. We're going to move on to our consent agenda. The consent agenda. The consent agenda will be acted upon in one motion and contains items which are routine and typically, non controversial items may be removed from this agenda for individual discussion by a council member, the city manager or any citizen presiding officer will establish time limits based upon the number of speaker requests. Is there a motion? Madam mayor and make a motion. We approve the consent Agen it as presented. All right. All in favor. Alright that passes 7 to 0. Next. We will move on. To our regular agenda. Item number one. Public hearing items, Applicants are limited to 15 minutes presentation time with a five minute rebuttal if needed. Remaining speakers are limited to 30 total minutes of testimony time with three minutes assigned per speaker. The presiding officer may amend these times as deemed necessary, nonpublic hearing items. The presiding officer will permit public comment for items on the agenda not posted for a public hearing. Presiding officer will establish time limits based upon the number of speaker requests. To meeting efficiency and may include a cumulative time limit. Speakers will be called in the order to request are received until the cumulative time is exhausted. Item number one. Most . I love sorry. Sorry, y'all. Item number one public hearing and consideration of an ordinance as requested in zoning case. 20 24-8 to amend Article eight Definitions article 14 allowed uses and use classifications article 15 used specific regulations and related to sections and related sections of the zoning Ordinance of the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance of the City. Ordinance number 2015-5 Dash two as heretofore amended to extend Repeal the interim band. On short, short term rentals and permanently regulate short term rentals and regulated land uses, including associated development regulations and providing a penalty clause. A repeal clause is savings Clause. A severability clause, a publication clause and an effective date. Good evening. I'm Christina Day the director of planning and I will be speaking on the zoning case. 2024 008, which is an amendment proposed regarding short term rentals. Um I do have a lot of slides here just to make sure all the information is covered. I'm gonna move fairly quickly through. But if at any point we need to go back and reference anything the information should be there. So As you all are acutely aware we have been conducting a short term rental study. It was initiated by the council in November of 2022, and we are effectively at the end of that process where we're looking at permanent measures this evening. I want to touch on the amount of outreach that's been done through this process. So the short term rental task force was appointed by this council 22 Plano residents were appointed. They held six meetings over nine months. Additionally there were two open houses that had extensive participation. 2000 participants in August of 23 and 1200 participants in February of 24, and that includes an online participation as well as in person and then we also conducted a community survey. Over 6000 responses. Outreach. We Worked as hard as possible to use multiple mediums for outreach to the community. We had a project website throughout the tenure of the project that's still live now at WWW, Plano, str.com. Additionally, For the, uh, survey Initia. We did signs in parks and at rec centers, other city facilities. We use the city's newsletters to spread the word on issues related to this project. We also use social media. Uh, you see YouTube, Facebook, instagram and next door, uh, through the communications department. Finally we also issued press releases for our events and had a good turnout. With both print and television news coverage for those events. So what were the study outcomes? Study included four different types of outcomes . There were a set specifically related to land use and zoning that included nine so I'm just briefly showing those but I'll be relating those to the zoning ordinance. Uh, process here and at just a moment. So zoning process we did. Additional outreach were required by the law to do a newspaper notice. We also sent citywide postcards that was sent to all Plano addresses as well as all owners outside Plano. Those were delivered approximately March 22nd. So P and Z discussions. Um March 4th. They looked at the short term rental Phase two report the final report of the task force. A public hearing was called and we did touch on the basic concepts for an ordinance that evening. Fast forward to the next meeting. March 18th We discuss specific draft zoning amendments. The commission provided direction that eliminated the concept of limited and seasonal rental and a two night minimum for living management. Then finally, on April 1st, we held a public hearing and considered three options of the commission. Um they eliminated the distinction between live in management with one room versus multiple room in their final recommendation. So in summary. The amendments will require all short term rentals to be registered. It will look at The grandfathering the existing uses that were operating prior to the ban and It distinguishes between two different types of short term rentals live in management, short term rental and off site management. Short term rental, and this is based on the scale and impact of these different rental types. So Again. You'll see the green dots there. That means this relates to number nine of the task force. Uh, recommendations. So what does Live-In management mean? It means there is a specific operator required on site. Um it'll be consistent with the registration and they must stay in the dwelling overnight whenever guests are present at that rental. Additionally the property owner may act as the operator, but it does not require it to be the property owner. Off site management. Short term rental. There is no host required. The management can be completely off site, um, living in a different place and It is rental of a full dwelling unit. We detail those different types in the ordinance, but it would be the whole home, including the backyard cottage. If that's available, a duplex, a town home or a single apartment unit. So these are the shorthand for three options Considered by PNZ. They had the same treatment of off site management but varied by distinguishing between renting a single room or multi multiple rooms for living in management. And then the third option. Uh the second option included some density buffers. And the third option, uh, required live in management exclusively by Su in residential districts. So P and Z looked at those debated them and, uh, took several votes and landed on 1/4 option, which is live in management. Short term rentals are allowed in most residential districts, but with a 300 ft density buffer. Um so it sort of combines elements of option three where there's a single live in management type and the density buffer that we see in option two. So how do these relate? The zoning and the task force recommendations. So Task Force recommendation. One was prior to lifting the interim ban . There should be zoning ordinance updates to identify districts and locations where new SRS may be inappropriate or appropriate and you'll see in the ordinance that we're presenting there are locations. Uh for both live in management and off site management. Both being allowed in Non-residential zoning districts, except for one that is consistent with hotel uses some multifamily residences and a limited capacity. And then there's additional places where living in management is seen as a productive and heritage districts using the 300 ft buffer and then otherwise by specific use permit. This is a map of what that looks like, Um, the green areas. Uh, Are where some form is allowed as well as, uh, live in management. Um And then the Kind of tan or brown areas are the multifamily allowances. Pink is also residential, uh, often in non-residential zoning. Oh I think I just didn't notice it moved. So going trying to go back here off site management. This is the map for off site management. You can see the gray area. It's where off site management. Short term rentals would not be allowed as well as the white and then the other colors represent areas where off site management could be allowed. Existing short term rentals. We're gonna have a map, but this just is the numbers on the existing short term rentals. So you see, conforming or anticipated to be conforming. Based on the data we have is represented by blue, non conforming by red and then, uh, stars are living management. Uh, and circles are off site management. And then there are a few unknown. Type, So this is what it would look like Adopting the P and Z version, um, showing places that would be potentially non conforming and places that might be conforming. So Moving on to recommendation. Two short term rentals may be permitted anywhere. A hotel is allowed. I mentioned this earlier. So the live in management and off site management. Short term rentals are permitted both where hotels are permitted, and that's all non-residential zoning districts . Except for one. We also looked at the commercial mixed use in TOD areas, but that is largely overlapped. Uh, so we felt like that was addressed just through the zoning. Item Three maximum density of new short term rentals in a specified area can be limited as a tool to refine zoning. Uh in most zoning districts, the live in management are not permitted within 300 ft. So that is a limitation and then we also include a density analysis for SUPS. So another, uh, opportunity to limit in that specific scenario. Number four. A property must not be used for commercial amusement purposes. Such as a party with a cover charge and less permitted by the zoning and it has AC from the city. So we're looking at amending the commercial amusement definition to add a fee for charge, which was not previously in there that distinguishes we think it makes it a little more refined and aligns it with the outdoor commercial amusement use. And then there are additional regulations related to this in the registration program. Also the certificate of occupancy will be required. That's an ordinance requirement that exists today. So item number five council through the Planning and Zoning Commission should update the zoning ordinance definitions related to assembly hall, commercial amusement bed and breakfast in rooming and boarding house so there are updated definitions for commercial amusement assembly hall and boarding and rooming house And then the proposal, deletes bed and breakfast in and replaces that with a live in management, short term rental use. Item six from the task force is limit operation of some new short term rentals to a maximum number of rental nights per year to give flexibility to property owners. So the commission did look at what we call limited or seasonal rental to limit A short term rentals operation for a period of time that was rejected after feedback from the public and just some practical conversation, But Under the SP requirement that is a standard that is listed to consider maximum number of rental nights per year. Item seven is requiring that a short term rental stay, uh, must be for a minimum number of nights in certain areas or districts again as a tool to refine zoning so when a specific use permit is applied, um, they can You can consider restricting the short term rental to a minimum number of nights and then off site rental We have for all times, uh, two nights per booking, and that we've heard from several members, uh, of public feedback that that is, uh, a best practice and may reduce a party houses. So addressing on site parking requirements as part of a larger analysis is Item eight, and that just didn't fit within the time frame of this project, but is scheduled to be conducted. Uh At a later date, but soon Item nine, which is the last item is It is appropriate to have some different regulatory standards for live in management, uh than for other types of short term rentals because they have less impact on the community fabric. We heard testimony about this in the task force and you see they are treated differently in the proposed ordinance, Heritage districts. Outside the buffer and otherwise by S are exclusive to live in management versus the off site management STRS, which are allowed, but, uh, in fewer locations. So one of the data points that relates to that item number nine is the calls for service and you see that distinguished, uh, between live management and off site management in the living in management, short term rentals. There are fewer number, but none of those had three or more calls for service during our day time frame. Um and then a smaller percentage. Of those had, uh, 1 to 2 calls for service. So That is some data that points to the distinction between those two uses. So additionally we wanted to present there are a number of items that relate to the SUP requests that are included in the ordinance. Location minimum number of nights maximum number of rentals per year. Um all those relate back to the task force recommendations so additional considerations. Are that All STRS must register as a short term rental, uh, under zoning, so that points to the registration ordinance that you'll hear next comply with property maintenance code and may only occur in a dwelling unit so not in commercial property. And The continuation of non conforming uses, which also referred to as grandfathering or, UM, is also part of this ordinance. Multifamily residences are treated differently. Um it's a general practice that some units may be held for short term leases. Um for various reasons. And so the proposal is to allow up to 5% of the units to be used as short term rentals. Additional consideration is an admin administration of the buffer. This is something that was not discussed at P and Z. So we wanted to point to this specifically, but we found that buffer administration there's some complexity to it because of overlap and so forth, So we Added a sentence to the ordinance that says the director may promulgate rules and regulations to set forth processes and policies governing this buffer provision. That way when those complexities arise. We have, uh, coverage in the ordinance. The comprehensive plan, uh, through the staff report. You'll note, um, several citations to the comprehensive plan that support this action. Online responses received. Uh, this is as of noon on Friday. We have 84 in support, one neutral and 101 in opposition for a total of 186 unique responses you'll see we did receive many more. 264 However, 79 were duplicate responses. And so we've only included the latest response from the individual. Um so if that was updated, this includes the latest response and one of those From outside the city of Plano, and that was in a post response. So here's the map. Of the way things are looking from both support and opposition. And then other emails. We have received a number of other emails that were not part of our online registration system. 70 in total 45 in opposition 19 neutral and six in support. So Tim and considerations We want to point out to the council that anything that goes into effect tonight will be prior to expiration of the interim ban. But if an action is not taken tonight, um There is a need to table if that ban is not to expire, so an ordinance allowing tabling is included in your packet, and that is set as June. 15th is the date that would allow two more meetings in May, Uh and yet You are welcome to make changes to that date, if either more or less time is desired. So the summary of proposed amendments. STRS have to register. SRS are grandfathered allowed to continue operating if they've been existing prior to the interim ban. New STRS are permitted in Non-residential districts similar to hotels and some in multifamily properties. Live in management. Short term rentals are also permitted in Heritage properties. Where there are 300 ft from other STRS or otherwise by a specific use permit there. Definitions updated use standards are included, and the interim ban is lifted in the ordinance presented in your packet. The Planning and Zoning Commission did recommend this ordinance by a vote of 5 to 3. And that concludes my presentation. I am available for questions. Thank you, Christina. Has anyone have questions for Christina? All right. Thank you very much. Open the public hearing, and we have several speakers tonight. So um, each speaker will have a minute and 30 seconds to share their comments with us. Lisa, Do you want to call the first speaker? Absolutely The first speaker is Bill France, who will be followed by Elena Burke and Steven Kakos. Mayor Pro TEM Council. Good evening. My name is Bill France. I represent the Plano, Texas Neighborhood coalition. I ask all of our supporters in both rooms to please stand. Tonight. We support what is presented before you as option four of the proposed str zoning ordinance. It offers what we believe is a balanced approach. By first allowing existing SRS to apply for grandfathered status. Second allowing new STRS in spec in specified areas. And most importantly, safeguarding our community by disallowing any new SDRs in our existing single family residential neighborhoods. All other options , especially the P and Z proposal would open the city to a multitude of unintended and dire consequences. It opens up a Pandora's box that is left Un revocable and unenforceable, and it's a tinder box for litigation. Your neighbors are putting their trust in you tonight to defend our neighborhood and uphold the very purpose of our zoning laws. Option four is the only option presented here tonight that preserves the integrity of our residential neighborhoods, and it's the most conservative. Path to resolution of this issue. Please preserve the legacy of our city for all who will call it home for the next 150 years. Thank you for your service to our community. Elena Burke. Good evening council members. In a statement by the P and Z chairperson was there is a fear that we're going to get overrun with these ST RS, and there's a fear that they will get opened in every single neighborhood in the city. He then said, quote the market and the demand is going to resolve that issue. In the city of Plano. That fear exists for a good reason. The current zoning proposal provides virtually no guard rails to control the widespread proliferation in every neighborhood in the city of Plano. We cannot let the market determine the upper limit on how these new short term rentals can exist in our neighborhoods. Zoning must control that. Allowing them in our neighborhoods. If there are 300 ft, apart is effectively no zoning at all, and does nothing to protect homeowners and families who actually live in their homes. May your vote tonight, Send the message to the majority of your constituents that they survey responses and the data from the task force matter to you. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Steven Kyriakos. I'm a 21 year resident of Plano. Tonight you vote on P and Z's proposed ordinance on STRS. This concludes one year of careful data collection and analysis by the city. The task force and Gap strategies from various sources, including surveying our citizens. One exception is the online zoning case response tool for two reasons. This map driven tool only allows one yes or no vote on the three ordinance options outlined in the pre April 1 version of ZC 20 24-008. That was one of the maps you saw in the earlier presentation. The second issue is that this version of PN Z's proposed ordinance That is in front of you. Tonight was not the version presented to the citizens and voted upon by using the online tool. For these reasons, I would urge you to not use the zone case Response tool data in consideration of this evening's vote. Furthermore since the public was not able to effectively vote or comment on the current version of PN Z's ordinance, I would suggest Option four that you have in your hand as presented here tonight. Thank you. The next speaker is Katherine Parker, followed by John Burke and Marla Kyriakos. Good evening. I'm Catherine Q Parker. My husband and I have lived in Plano for 10 years tonight. I'd like to share with you something that was posted on my front door a few weeks ago. You can't really see it because it's a invitation written by a child, so I'll read it for you. It says Easter egg hunt and food in Cul-de-sac Sunday the 24th around 4 p.m. bring food to share. All the houses on my street got this handwrit notice. You might think this is just a cute story. But to me, this is the sign of a healthy, thriving neighborhood. How does a party like this happen? It happens because all the Children in my neighborhood play together, their parents know each other. My husband and I. We don't even have Children. But all the Children on our street know us and we know them. We are neighbors. Our neighborhood is 50 years old for the city. This child's invitation is a sign of success. This is what you want Plano neighborhoods to be. Active engaged and connected. Neighborhoods thrive because of the people who live there. Short term rentals are not neighbors. They are empty houses owned by investors, please put aside the P and Z proposal and ban short term rentals in single family neighborhoods. Thank you. Oh, good evening. Council members. Uh, my name is John Burke. I'd like to offer a perspective, uh, on a topic that you've heard from the second speaker, that I hope is a useful consideration for you as you vote on the proposal before you tonight, the ordinance proposal. Uh, in the April 1st meeting, the PNZ commissioner in responding to some of the expressed concerns about fears of proliferation did make that comment about the market will take care of that. My concern is that I don't trust the market to determine such important things. Um, I would use the example of texting phenomenon. In 1990 when texting was becoming popular. I think the estimates from most people in the industry thought that For every member who had a phone it would be a half of a text per month per member with a proliferation of networks Now that could communicate between networks. It jumped, where by now by 1995. Texting is the most dominant form of communication over phone calls. My point is that I don't really trust letting the market regulate the proliferation of short term rentals. I believe that we should ban new short term rentals allow grandfather short term rentals but ban them from neighbors based on an ordinance control mechanism. Thank you for your time and your ongoing work with us. Thank you. Mr France. I think you may have left your glasses up there. So just just in case you were looking to see me. I wanted to make sure I got it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Good evening All I'm Marla Kyriakos. I have lived in my home for 31 years in a Plano neighborhood without a mandatory HO. A um, I'm urging you to vote No on the proposed zoning ordinance from PNZ. It grants an STR by right to every home in Plano. As the last P and Z meeting. I live in Sr host said They are not always on site. They can't be. They have lives. The guests regularly get the whole house to themselves. This makes it a straight up. Off-site. Str There is no way for the city to monitor or enforce this. But this is a loophole that Airbnb will exploit to overrun our neighborhoods with many hotels. They can also take this definition to court and break it. All that will be left is STR by right citywide. You can always grant more STR rights later if needed, but you can never take this away. I support what is now called Option four. No new ST RS of any kind in single family, residential neighborhoods legally defensible , clearly enforceable task force supported and what your data shows the citizens want. Thank you. The next speaker is Mark Pulliam, followed by Laurie Green and Glenn Smith. Commission Good evening. My name is Mark Pulliam. I've been a plat resident since 1989. Been here a while, Um, you've heard already a lot of this, Um I'm here to support the council, um, urging the council to reject the proposed zoning ordinance, as presented by the Planning Commission is defective on several regards to I two And, uh, I saw her today. And uh, because it it's just it was. It was a Basically, it goes exactly against what was found by The task force and by the 6000 survey responses. 79% do not want Uh, STRS in their neighborhoods in the single family neighborhoods. So that's a defective, uh, finding by the PNC. So I was a member of the cast for you Go through that. OK so the option for that Mr France presented was conservative is responsive to the citizens is what the citizens want. Most of citizens want It is safe. It's the most conservative approach. The least likelihood of litigation. There's probably gonna be litigation over anything. As as we know anyone can file a lawsuit, so it's not a big deal. Um So I'm just urging you to do the right thing tonight and approve Option four. Thank you very much. Good evening. My name's Laurie Green and I've lived in Plano for 30 years. I continue to wonder why our city would allow short term rentals in our neighborhoods. Here's a quote from the National Institutes of Health Website neighborhoods whose residents no trust each other. And share common values are more able to establish and enforce social norms. In turn, they tend, they tend to have lower levels of crime. I know some cities like Fairview, Highland Park, South Lake and others have banned STRS. And the ban has been upheld. SDRs have a place in single do not have a place in single family neighborhoods. One article suggests that SRS may bring money to local restaurants and merchants. That's it. That's why we allow SDRS. I beg to differ, Uh, neighbors living in neighborhoods can provide those same things we use. Services that an STR renter would not use . We use CPS We use a hair salon. We use the dry cleaners. Um we have fewer students in schools so schools don't benefit from STRS. Plano has a lack of affordable housing and investor owned STRS contribute to that. Another quote from the NIH website is Airbnb has removed material capital from the market, raising prices for renters. Airbnb remove social capital from neighborhoods in the form of stable households weakening the Associated Community Dynamics. Hawaii is looking looking at banning STRS. There are five major cities in the US. That say owning an, uh, Airbnb as an investment property is illegal. Please support option for and ban STRS in single family neighborhoods. Respected city commissioners, city manager Israel S dedicated staff and fellow citizens and neighbors. My name is Glenn Smith. I am a US, Air Force veteran, a member of the SDR task force, and for over 27 years I've called Plano my home. Please do not approve the zoning proposal in front of you. 008 I implore you to consider the long term impact. Listen to the residents who stood firm for the past two years. The recent noise should not overshadow the progress we made last year when you halted Sr growth to study the problems and the solutions. Let's protect our beloved city and ensure Plano remains safe, secure and welcoming for all create legislation and zoning that makes it impossible for the events of the past years to occur again. PN Z's proposal allows managed short term rentals in all single family residential neighborhoods, and it threatens the very fabric of our community by allowing any form of SDR within 300 ft. Of another one. To be clear. The SDR task force held three major findings in our Phase two report in October. STR is negatively affect the quality of life in Plano, there could be appropriate places for STRS in Plano and the city should develop comprehensive permanent regulations to govern STRS 20 seconds. Imagine our neighborhoods saturated with these rentals, altering our community's character and deterring permanent residence. This isn't the Plano. That I moved to And I hope it's not yours. Thank you. The next speaker is Melissa Pulliam, followed by Anne Hill and Cindy Pitillo. My name is Melissa Pulliam and I strongly urge the City Council to reject the proposed zoning ordinance as recommended by P and Z and consider adopting a modified or being called Option. Four Tonight, Option four will ban all new STRS and single family residential districts. Grandfather existing STRS, Uh, there should be no litigation on that and grant right to new SRS and motel or other commercial districts as the city determines . We were originally drawn to Plano as a young family because every neighborhood is built around an element School or middle school. Bringing short term rentals into every neighborhood in Plano is detrimental to the fabric of our neighborhoods and our Children and grandchildren and, by definition, a transient occupant is not a resident. The very nature of transience breaks down a neighborhood not because of the visitors themselves who come and go, but because of the nature of transience itself, according to a study out of Northeastern university, the mass conversion of homes into STRS undermines the neighborhood's social organization. SRS themselves failed to contribute to critical neighborhood Social dynamics. Reject the P and C ordinance as proposed and adopt Option four tonight. Thank you. Good evening council members and city staff. My name is Anna Hill. I'm a 20 year. Plano resident. Plano is so close to resolution on this issue, and I thank you for all of your thoughtful work. What I want to make clear tonight to you is that you must vote against the PNZ proposal as an attorney. I am extremely concerned about the PNZ proposals expensive and unnecessary litigation risk the Live-In management distinction that is key in this proposal is part of an appeal that was just filed on March 15th in a case against the city of New Orleans in the fifth Circuit. Cost of litigation isn't the only risk the potential outcome of passing any ordinance that relies on this live in management distinction is dire and completely contrary to Plato's intentions. If you pass an ordinance that relies on this live in management concept, and that concept is invalidated by the courts. You must then allow Off-site managed STRS in any place where you have allowed live and managed STRS. In the case of the PNZ zoning proposal, this would be allowing STRS in All single family residential neighborhoods in play now. I don't come just with problems. 20 seconds. There is a solution. Plano doesn't have to wait for this case to be heard before it takes action. Rather Plano needs to continue what it's been doing, which is being thoughtful. Follow while the courts here this appeal and that will address the concerns of its citizens, This is what we are referring to as option four. Thank you. Good evening. You've been told that live in management SRS result in fewer calls for service justifying distinguishing Between living on and off site management, short term rentals. What is more true is that owner occupied short term rentals have resulted in fewer calls for service. The idea that management occupied short term rentals would have the same result is untested. We have no data to support this. And yet that is what is being proposed again because the courts don't allow live in owners to be specified over living managers. All of the available data is regarding owner occupied short term rentals. Versus live in management, short term rentals. We're asking you to rely on the available data again pursue the most conservative option, the one least prone to legal challenges, and that best protects our neighborhoods. Please vote no to the proposed zoning ordinance and adopt what we are calling Option four prohibiting all new short term rentals in our single family residential neighborhoods. Thank you. The next speaker is John Green, followed by Suzanne Popi and Mark Bauer. Good evening council. My name is John Green, and I've lived in Plano for over 30 years. As you all well know, the city conducted a study and found that the majority of citizens said they would be uncomfortable with an STR on their block. The more majority Also believe that STO that an STR Would decrease the value of their property. The city staff did a great job in forming the residents that input was needed on this topic. There were emails , signs at parks and flyers in the mail that encouraged us to give input, as was mentioned earlier by the city staff. The recommendation by the PNZ is contrary to this data. Please use the data that was collected for you to consider and vote for what's now being called Option four and permanently banned STRS in single family neighborhoods. Thank you. Good evening City Council and staff. My name is Suzanne Pappas. I'm a member of the Texas neighborhood coalition. And for over 24 years, I've been a resident of Plano and a homeowner. I stand before you again to ask the same thing that we've been asking for two years, and that is no new short term rentals of any kind in our single family residential neighborhoods. We have sufficient data from surveys open houses, the diligence of the task force, et cetera. That overwhelmingly supports our ask that no short term rentals of any kind. No new ones be allowed in single family residential neighborhoods. There is legal precedent upholding bans on new short term rentals. Other cities have been successful, and no appellate court has voided a ban on new short term rentals. Examples such as Ms versus the city of Grapevine Draper versus the city of Arlington. And both of these cases, the Texas Supreme Court denied a petition challenging the ban on new short term rentals. Plano can adopt a ban. A new short term rentals of any kind. I thank you for your time and consideration and respectfully ask that you vote No on zoning 2024 Dash double 08 and rather adopt the proposal referred to tonight as Option four, which bans new short term rentals of any kind in our single family residential neighborhoods. This is the best option for the city and for our neighborhoods. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Mark Bower. And I'm a 10 year resident of Plano. We live by two STRS and for two years our neighborhood has put up with prostitution, drugs, all night commercial events and teenage parties, with hundreds of teenagers descending on our block, many of them drinking. You might ask. Where were the police? They were there. Trying to direct traffic and keep our street open, But they could really do nothing to stop what was going on. You cannot police an Sr. You need to prohibit them where they where they don't belong. Even the STR guests that aren't so bad. Can be 5 to 15 cars and tear the fabric of the neighborhood. We request that you pass Option four and prohibit all new short term rentals and single family residential neighborhoods and deal with the existing ones through registration. The STRS cannot police themselves. An illegal openings you create will be exploited. This is not an issue where there is a compromise that will make everyone happy need to decide whether you're going to support the majority of Plano residents or the few 100 str owners Thank you for your time. The next speaker is Bill Baker, followed by Barbara France and Tatiana Ramirez. Good evening. City Council members. My name is Bill Baker. I do not support P and Z's. Proposed option. I do support the option You've been heard about Option four. And this is why Option four is a conservative approach. It's fair to both sides. And it's straightforward. It's simple. It's reasonable and it's enforceable. You should compare both. Side by side. Before you make any decisions. I believe it's the common sense solution. And I believe our judicial system will support it as well. Please adopt Option four. Thanks for listening. The forest start. The people in the overflow room who stood up just wanted to be recognized. They're all being very patient over there. So There is our friends. Good evening. My name is Barbara France. Option four that you've been presented is the best option for the city to adopt to preserve our neighborhoods. The Vision statement for Plano includes three main ideas, excellent education, world class businesses and vibrant neighborhoods. This shows the high value we place on our neighborhoods. The comprehensive plan was developed to steer new growth and development following this vision. In fact guiding principle number one states that new policies must meet the needs and priorities of current residents enhance the quality of life, promote safety, viability and vibrancy in Plano's existing neighborhoods and respect the suburban character of Plano. If the PNZ recommendation is adopted, it will significantly negatively and permanently alter the character of our neighborhoods, the only option which will maintain the safety, viability and vibrancy of our existing neighborhoods is option four. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Tatiana Ramirez. We never second guess our decision to move to Plano until Sr showed up at our doorstep. This proper advertise our neighborhood as private and quiet but failed to mention that we are now a crime watch area due to their guest criminal acts . When I step outside my door. I don't want to have strangers making threatening comments or ambushing my Children. I don't want to hear from my youngest mom. Don't say anything. They'll pull a gun on you. When I'm out of town. I don't want to receive a phone call from the Plano PD. Informing us that our property is secure due to another party. When I go for a walk, I don't want to be stepping on broken glass condoms drug paraphernalia nor be looking at these homes whose online reviews describe them as a shell with the bare minimum to call it rentable. When I am at home. I don't want strangers recording my family and my friends in our kitchen, our yard, our cars and yes, even in our bedroom when I come home at midnight after having an emergency. I don't want to see prostitutes being dropped off at the STR. My family and I shouldn't have to live in fear of being intimidated. Targeted followed. Watch abducted, preyed upon or expected any type of personal retaliation and vandalism to our property. No one will be surprised when tragedy happens. If nothing changes. It's just a matter of time and it will be someone. The next speaker is Enrique Ramirez, followed by Christy Davidson and Paige Palmer. Good evening City Council members. My name is Enrica Ramirez and I have been a Plano resident for 22 years. I first want to thank you all for your service to our community in general, and on this matter on this matter of STRS in particular, I'm here to ask you to support Option four. No new short term rentals in single family neighborhoods. Many arguments have been already been made have made by my fellow neighbors, but I want to emphasize the safety aspect. Because every plane of resident deserves to feel safe and at ease in their own home. We have a for rent party house as our next door neighbor. We actually have two STRS in our block, and every time one or both is rented out for the weekend, all my neighbors enter a state of apprehension and anxiety because we do not feel safe. A bunch of strangers pop up in our streets. Many act strangely. Doing things like staying in parked cars for extended periods. Some do not extremely at all. But their presence causes anxiety nonetheless, because we don't know who they are, they could be harmless. But they could also realistically be a sex offender. When a registered sex offender visits another county for less than one week. They do not need to register with the jurisdiction Law enforcement agency. So registered sex offenders can stay at these properties with anyone knowing it. Even air BNB declared in its IPO documents that they do not screen or have control over the user actions and that I quote the actions of hosts, guests and others have resulted and can further result in fatalities. Injuries Invasion of privacy and property damage. Please do not allow Plano neighbors to be anxious and fearful in their own homes. Please support Option four. No new short term rentals in single family neighborhoods. Thank you. Steve Davidson. I am Christy Davidson. I think you just heard from my neighbors, but we endure with the two short term rentals that we have on our street is Nothing short of ridiculous And it's not just the parties and the gatherings and the trash and the cars is the uneasiness that we feel going to our mailbox or watering our plants and strangers are standing out front watching us Come and go. My family would have loved to have watched the recent eclipse like everybody else, But there was an Eclipse Party next door and the pot smoke and the noise ran us off. I mean, even if we call the police the fear of retaliation in our Is real. I don't think it's a coincidence. The day after I put my band short term rental sign in my yard, the window above my front door was shot out. I mean, it's what we live with. It's We know our problem is going to be grandfathered in. There's nothing that's gonna be done The regulations, the registration will help but the only thing worse than having two short term rentals On one street is having three short term rentals, please. Ban these things we don't need anymore. Enough's enough. Thank you. My name is Paige Palmer, a 30 year resident of Plano. The proposed zoning, which would allow live in short term rentals . Every 300 ft is not acceptable. My husband served on the task force, and this proposal is not consistent with the task force findings or the Plano STR survey, with 74% of the respondents saying they're not. They're very uncomfortable with STRS in their neighborhoods. And further support a survey commissioned by the local Real Estate Association last month found that the majority of Plano homeowners have an unfavorable opinion of short term rentals. Half of those aware of SDRs in their neighborhood have experienced issues. I've worked in the real estate industry for 35 years if you allow what are essentially boarding houses to operate in our neighborhoods with Reynolds by the night, our neighborhoods and home values will decline. Safety and security is also a major concern in our neighborhood. We already experience the dangers associated with short term rentals with a gunfight at the STR across the street. And in Airbnbs own 10-K report. They state there have been shootings, fatalities, Other criminal violent acts on properties booked on their platform. They've had unsanctioned House parties incidents with sexual violence. They've seen a higher rate of incidents with Miss Palmer. Your time is up private rooms, the shared spaces. Thank you. The next speaker is ARN Parker, followed by Pat Morgan and Ephron Jorda. Hello. Um I had a speech. But I'm just gonna get to the point. Uh if you listen to these folks, everybody's got a horror story. Everybody has a bad experience. Uh so you get the gist of what we're talking about here, Uh, I'm retired US Air Force. My wife and I moved here because we love Plano. It's a great community. We like how it's run. People care. They count. They make a difference. That's where we want to live. We don't have Children. But everybody in our street has Children and they ride their bikes up and down and it's safe. It's great. We now have a short term rental next to us, and we've had nothing but problems. I've gone out in the middle of the night told him Get out of my yard. They're fighting. There's uh, beer bottles. There's urination. It's all bad. Uh, I am a professional safety person. I'm certified by the board Council of the safety professionals that I get paid by major corporations to come in and tell them where their risk is and how to mitigate it and how to correct it. Then I pass it on to management and management talks about it, and they say they've got a valid point. That's correct it. Let's make it safe where people can come to work safe and go home safe. These folks are talking to you. Please listen to them. They have a valid point. That's all I have. Thank you. High City Council. I'm Pep Morgan. And I've lived in Plano 24 years I've served on the Plano Board of Adjustment and the Plano Short term rental task force. I think back about raising our Children when we lived in University Park, the police force knew where everyone lived. And they knew practically who drove what kind of car it was a strong neighborhood fabric. It kept us safe. Also as a full time residential realtor for 24 years, I have buyer clients who want to know if there are rentals in the neighborhood. More especially they want to know if there are any short term rentals. I have yet to have a buyer who is thinking of purchasing a home to live in, say, Oh, good. There's a short term rental in the neighborhood. I think I want this house. Say no to new short term rentals in Single-family neighborhoods, but allow the ones that are here now to be grandfathered. I thank you. I hope you will use your mind. To do what's right for Plano and not be fearful of a lawsuit. Thank you. Good evening. My name is era Ardo. I leave it 31 04 corn flower drive. I move here for the North 29 years. I had chosen Plan of the Blue River schools that what I hear The revised auto number two defeat all the recommendations from the task force. We can have STR. Living management with one up to 25 room and the residence. Citywide. OK? I want also to congratulate The plan Administration all of you Because I hope that you have time to read my articles I sent to you this morning. Where the city Plano has been elected the second happiest city. And the United States. The F one is Arlington. We are the second And that is I oppose to number two E . I asking you please keep the city Plano. Happy Happy. Happy I please, uh, opposed to also number two. Ah, we don't want SRS. And white parties and our family and neighborhoods. Family is a big war. I mean family neighborhoods. Hm? Thank you for having me. The next speaker is Greg Pattillo, followed by Caroline Cal. Sorry, Caroline. Caroline Kay. And Pamela Barbera. He never said. Good evening, Mayor approach him and counsel. My name is Greg Batel for more than a decade, Airbnb in the short term rail industry have been the subject of countless studies. You will not find a single study that suggests STRS improve the quality of life and sense of community and residential neighborhoods because they don't You will find numerous studies that suggest that crime increases with the number of SRS because it does. You presented. You've been presented with quantifiable data that demonstrated the impact of converting residential housing to STRS on Plano school enrollment and businesses in the survey conducted by Gav Strategies you heard from more than 6100 residents evenly distributed across the Plano ZIP codes. Response to that gap strategy suggested you consider highly successful in comparison to other, uh, surveys conducted by local governments. In that survey, 74% of respondents told you that they moderately are very uncomfortable having an SDR on their block. That's with only 31, knowing whether they Neo SDR and 44% never experiencing an issue with an STR for the 56 Cent for the 56% that did experience an issue. Only 16% of those respondents indicated they involve law enforcement, which suggests that calls for service represent significantly under reported data at the other, 84% opted to involve law enforcement or code enforcement, you would have seen ratios that would have suggested STRS to be as high as 10 to 12 times more likely to have AC FS than non STRS. And while you've certainly heard anecdotes you have Been presented with quantifiable data that would suggest the city would realize benefits from STRS operating in single family residential neighborhoods that could possibly justify the public safety, quality, life and sense of community in which are the core values that help make Plano the city of excellence. Thank you vote no. Good evening. You guys all forgot how to say my name After all these years. My name is Caroline Caldo. I've lived here for 34 years I was on P and Z for seven years. 22 years on chair, Uh, Board of adjustment for nine years. No term limits three years as chair. We all know that in Plano, we regulate everything. Parking zoning SO BS four corner retail set back sidewalks, tree trimming yard weeds, historical districts, hospitals, districts. Uh, commercial districts. This is what we do as a city, and that's why the city is as good as it is. Now Today you are considering regulations on SDRS, just like other city councils did on all those categories. Every city is facing this in the Metroplex. And yes, it will probably be some type of litigation, but so be it. Plano strong and has faced that in all the categories we listed. You guys have listened as members of council and I don't know. Uh, the P and C recommendation will affect every homeowner. Whether their owner occupied or long term rental. We are not a tourist city when Frisco gets its act together, offering literally everything under the sun, we will bear the brunt of STR renters who will take their business to Frisco. But flood our neighborhoods with strangers . Be strong, Uh, support Option. Four Reject the P and C recommendation and legislate for all of us. Thank you. Hi I'm Pam Barbera and I have beat everybody. I've been here since 1971 and I still love it. And I'm not ever leaving until you know, after in in a little bit. I just want y'all to know if you've ever been to the musical. Uh, le mis. There's a song in there called. Listen to the beating of the drum. This is the beating of the drum, y'all. This is what we don't want the bad stuff we want. This Please listen to what the people want and keep us a happy town. Thank you. Have a bad bag. I gotta go home and get on ice. The next speaker is Sharon overall, followed by Alex Stein and Lynn McClean. I'm Sharon. Earl Baral. I urge you to maintain your current ban on ST RSI watched the planning and zoning Mini and I've never seen a bait and switch like I did. At that meeting. Mr Downs changed distance from another STR from a 600 ft to 300 ft and also included multiple rooms in the last 15 minutes that do not require SUP. There is no right to run a hotel in a single family neighborhood. Despite what the crook in Austin keeps saying, if you collect a hotel tax, it is a hotel. No mention was even made about multiple bookings versus renting to one family who needs several rooms. This is a single family neighborhood. The ONS site manager should have to be the owner on the top of the mortgage, which I've been told you can't even enforce. When a homeowner can hire a hotel manager to manage the house as an STR, then the argument the homeowners should be allowed to rent out a room to be able to afford. His home is ridiculous. When you are renting out the house to multiple families, it is no longer a single family residence Note. I am only allowed to have two garage sales permits a year. The argument is that they do not want people to use garage sales to have a home business that is selling goods. So you're going to allow Hotels, keep your B ban in place and review options again. Thank you. Alex Stein. We will go on to Lynn McLean. Hi Good evening. I'm Lynn McClean and I've lived in Plano for the last 28 years. Please vote no on the PNZ Amended Ordinance. The amended ordinance has two main flaws. The first flaw is it allows STRS and almost every house in single family residential neighborhoods . The proposed ordinance puts the interests of investors and people using their house. As a way to make money as more important than the people who bought a house in Plano to make it their home. Str owners make money from their ST RS But neighbors who live by the SRS pay a price from having an STR in the neighborhood. That price comes in the form of not feeling as safe in their neighborhood and a lower quality of life due to strangers coming and going. Excessive noise and more cars parked on narrow streets. The second flaw of the proposed ordinance assumes that all ST owner STR owners will be honest about living in the STR house, even when their primary residents is legally listed at a different address, or they own several STRS or don't even live in the state of Texas. In conclusion. Please do not put STR profits over people please vote no on the P and Z Ordinance and keep any new SRS out of single family residential neighborhoods. Thank you. The next speaker is James Fontaine, followed by John Arbuckle and Scott Gobel. Good evening. My name is James Fontaine. I've lived in Plano since 1980. Not as long. Well, she's she's missing. So I guess I'm the leader now. So I've lived here for 44 years and I've cherished the three different neighborhoods that I've lived in quite a bit. And uh, but the rise of a short term rentals threatens the sanctity of these neighborhoods, which we've loved for so long. Proponents of short term rentals are are they're not here defending their existing property. Those are gonna be grandfathered in. Make no mistake about it. STRS are business and I've been an entrepreneur my whole life. I think it's admirable, but they're a business and the businesses are advocating not for their current investment for the next investment for the next STR. For the 10th STR. And uh, let's paint a picture of the future. Um where every single block in every neighborhood is peppered with these short term rentals and uh our neighborhoods have become business districts. Well so what the heck? I decided to convert my house. I'm an empty nester into a business venture in West Plano. How about a West Plano pawn shop? I think that could be a very good market for that. And uh, you know, maybe I'll add a BYOB little jazz club at night because every other house in the neighborhood is an STR. Um so why not? It's my property. I have rights, right? Um this may seem really crazy, but it's not. How is this different from the problems caused by short term rentals with transient traffic late night disturbances? Gunshots As we've heard. I urge council to say no to pawn shops in our neighborhood, not a night clubs in the backyard and no new short term rentals. Hello My name is John Arbuckle. And no. I don't own Garfield so safe on that one. So I'm new here. I've only been here for two years I moved in, and my first meeting was over at the city Council. Uh, uh. Hall. And I was a stranger. Now I'm I have good friends here. Lots of them. Um and I love my neighborhood. I moved to Plano for this very reason. So I know what this is all about. It's all about being sued. That's the bottom line. We understand that as residents, I guess what I would have to say to you all as I challenge you to find the right solution that works and I know we're going to be probably sued, but we'll have litigation cases and so on. But it's your responsibility to make the right choice. I think there's an overwhelming opinion shared by all the residents who elected all the people here, um, to make the right choice and to and to challenge. Um uh, the corporation to make sure that that we protect our neighborhoods. Thank you. Uh, good evening. Mayor, Pro temp Prince Esteemed Plato City Council and staff. My name is Scott Gobel, and I'm, a resident of Plano and president of Quill Creek Neighborhood Association. I live at 6520 Pheasant run road. There's a three time Plano City Council appointee to FSS, Plano Parks and Rec and currently Plano Library Advisory Board. It's always been my goal to interact with the citizens. And bring them the best and most recent information and be a voice for them. My wife, Diane could not be here tonight because she's volunteering. With cultural arts doing scoring. Which she will be up past midnight. But if she were here between she and I, we would be representing more than a couple 100 people, So it's not just she and I and she and I and the people that we speak with to the many citizens I'm in contact. All are against STRS. The STRS are great until one is your next door neighbor. Perhaps the greatest negative is the ability to enforce what PPNZ is proposed . It's like our our crisis have people come in? Let them go, and they'll come back. Right Well have people say they're gonna manage their homes, But maybe they won't be there. Have the neighbors called Police. Look at all the different potential issues. Please support Option four. Thank you. The next speaker is Pam Holland, followed by Lisa Williams and Eric Killings. I'm Pam Holland, Long time resident of Plano, about 35 plus of those years have been a tireless neighborhood advocate for Haggard Park. My brother and I When we were kids, we were terrified of sleeping in the far upstairs bedroom under the eaves of my grandmother's house. And top floor of my house. Um we kind of drove her nuts about that, Um The reason we were so scared of sleeping down there was there was a little knee wall closet. And we knew for sure, no matter what grown ups said there were terrors in there. Uh I put my diary lock on there. We would wake my grandmother up in the middle of the night to go check on it. Those things made us feel a lot better like we are solving our problem. If we had known how to do this, I guarantee you we would have been down at Houston City Hall, keeping bio city Children safe. From the horrors that lay in that closet. Those things made us feel like we were doing something and we were scared, but it turned out those things really didn't fix anything. Uh, what fix it is our grandmother finally dragging us opening a closet, letting us go in there. Learn how Eves were constructed and we found some cool toys in there. It's great. So I can't tell you what to decide. Uh, came down. Uh, registered as opposed to these items just because I want you to be Careful that you Make sure what you're doing really does solve the problem. A real researcher would take the leanest approach. They would do what we already know. Works focus on live in management. Keep that going for a while. Building a sunset provision and come back and revisit in a year and see if we need to fix it. So we trust you to do what's right. Thank you. Good evening. City Council members. My name is Lisa Marie Williams. I represent myself. My husband. My three Children, who are also homeowners and the Wonderful city of excellence in Plano and the 142 homeowners in my neighborhood Glen Hollow Estates . I live in a single family residential neighborhood, which has limits and restrictions. For instance, If I want to build a gazebo in my backyard, I have to apply for a permit. Pay a fee, Get City Council or get city approval for the dimensions and the distance from my neighbor's fence in this perfectly planned and zoned city. I abide by the limits, and I believe my neighbors should also do the same. They should not be allowed to use their house in a single family residential neighborhood and make it into a hotel business. Thank you. Please vote in accordance with the majority of your constituents Appreciate your time. Good evening council members. My name is Eric killings, and I've lived in Plano 21 years. Um I ask you simply that you keep a short term rentals out of single family neighborhoods. Transient nature. Of the arguments of these houses detracts from the safety and security of our neighbors. I know my neighbors and they know me. This familiarity and trust is essential. And the constant stream of strangers is not what I envisioned when I bought my home. Please vote for Option four and protect family life in Plano. Thank you. The next speaker is Jean Goodwin, followed by Kristin Reiner and Cory Reiner. I'm not a public speaker. So here I go. Good evening City Council. I am Jean Goodwin. I live at 4513 Fargo Drive in Plano is 75093 Zip code and I have lived more of my life in Plano than anywhere else I brought bought my home 23 years ago to live in a neighborhood environment with neighbors and to build community. I cringe when any rental lease comes up in the streets, nearest me, not knowing who will move in and what kind of traffic and noise will be brought to the neighborhood. This is the same thought pattern I have when it comes to STRS. Not knowing what the weekend will bring with traffic parking noise trash thrown out arguments and other possible violent acts. I am opposed to the P and C proposal. No new short term rentals in our Plano neighborhoods. I am in favor with the option Number four that's presented tonight. I believe a lot of work has gone into this process this past two years. I believe this is the best option for Plano to continue to be the city of excellence. I ask that you take what is good for our community and not for commercial businesses in our neighborhood. Thank you. Good evening. I'm Kristin Reiner. I have on my home in Plano for over 12 years, I served on the task force on the short term rental task force as one of four short term rental rental advocates during the process. I felt not only outnumbered but also overwhelmed by the latter louder, anti short term rental members. From the first meeting, a supermajority of members expressed their desire to ban short term rentals . I acted in good faith, hoping for a productive and amicable outcome, making compromises even when I felt that I was being pressured Go along with the group. I trusted in the city in this process that my voice would matter now that I have seen the ordinances, it is clear that both sides were not equitably represented. I feel the need to step forward to report my experience on the task force despite best intentions it suffered from flawed execution and did not produce an accurate, balanced and fact driven report. At times I felt badgered and bullied into agreement upon statement, statements or wording. Despite my strong disagreement, I acquiesced. When it was clear my disagreements would make no difference. I was led to believe that my objections would be reflected in this final report, and it was not The proposed regulations are excessive and unfairly discriminatory against short term rental owners and impose excessive burdens on property owners. I support common sense rules that protect neighborhoods and responsible hosts. I ask that you slow this process down and direct staff to solicit feedback from the key stakeholders like US short term rental hosts. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor Pro TEM and council. My name is Corey Reiner. I'm a 12 year. Plano Homeowner. I speak on behalf of myself and the Plano short term rental Alliance, of which I'm a founding member. We are opposed to the zoning ordinance. As currently written, We support the fundamental right of Plano residents protected by the Texas Constitution to rent space within their primary residence for any length of time. We support the fundamental right of property owners to rent their entire property in ways that are compatible with single family residential use. The data does not support the restrictiveness of Learning ordinance before you. Dallas City Council adopted zoning and registration ordinances last year. Those ordinances are currently enjoined, in part because the ordinances are unconsti unconstitutionally discriminated against SR owners. This ban of new off site managed STRS in all single family neighborhoods is similarly discriminatory and without factual basis. I observed every task force meeting I watched at the January 17th meeting as a facilitator hammered the task force with questions about community fabric, this interrogation leading members to say Right words and phrases underpins the section of the Phase two report that finds ST RS are inappropriate in single family zones. The minutes reflect this discourse simply as discussion was held. This is not evidence. It is not data it is fabrication . It is unacceptable for a city of excellence to use such as a basis for restricting fundamental rights. I urge you to pause this process and take the time to get it. Right. Thank you. The last speaker in this section is Will Tarrant. Good evening Council Mayor Pro TEM. I'd like to speak on this issue as a matter of principle to you this evening, not a motion, not unfunded Speculation. Um, not unscientific surveys, not anecdotal evidence, not a personal agenda. At the heart of this issue is the fundamental principle of property rights. People should have the autonomy to decide how to utilize their own property, whether it be for long term rental, short term rental, a home office, a daycare , a dog grooming business, or or any other purpose that aligns with their interests and their needs. As long as it does not inherently infringe on anyone else's. Secondly short term rentals help make housing affordable for the people in Plano, who already live here. Housing affordability is not an issue unique to Plano, but we have the opportunity to give our residents some relief, and it doesn't cost taxpayers a dime. In fact, it actually contributes to tax revenues, and it provides additional income for property owners, making the ever increasing cost of homeownership so possible for many. Lastly on the topic of, uh, problematic rentals, the only way to reasonably address this is on a case by case basis, not sweeping regulations that penalize everyone and again if someone is compromising someone else's quality of life, such as noise or parking or anything like that . Luckily we already have municipal codes and ordinances that can enforce those to address these issues. We don't punish the overwhelming majority of people for the 1% causing problems on other issues. Why would we do that on this particular issue? I urge you to consider this Arm to come to a reasonable and a data driven approach to addressing these concerns. I know City Council has this city's best interest in mind. I ask you not to infringe on our citizens' rights to make a living and a life in the city of excellence. Thanks so much. So close the public hearing and we will open up discussion for the council. And we'll just go around. And, um We can share our comments. Council member Ricardelli Would you like to start and if we can keep our comments to He's two minutes if we can. Certainly I do have a couple of questions first, but then I I'll give some some brief comments. Uh I just wanted to confirm my understanding on a few things. The first is that, uh, we've talked a lot during this process from the inception about the Arlington model, and my understanding is that the Arlington ordinance does not have the live in versus off site management. Distinction that we, uh, are looking at in the PNZ proposal is that correct? I don't know The answer to that question. I don't know if there are others that do know. Sorry Councilman. I think the Arlington uh, model was more the Arlington process versus uh, some of the ordinance language because I think there were some differences in in some of that. Certainly, certainly I. I Just one council member. But II, I think Arlington has had a successful ordinance. So I, I think, even substantively I. I was interested in the, uh, the content of the Arlington ordinance, but Um And then just, uh, to confirm my understanding. I believe that the PNZ meeting, Uh, neighborhood services Director Howard was was asked. Uh uh. Can we enforce the live in requirement? Can we be sure that for, uh, properties that are designated as live in managed STRS that that that the, uh um that the live in manager is there and the answer? I if I, uh, remember that video correctly? Uh, please correct me if I'm wrong, Director Howard Butt was that that? No we really don't have AAA mechanism for enforcing that. Is that correct? OK I. I saw a director Howard answering in the Affirmative. Uh, sorry. What was it? Yes. Yeah. Di difficult to enforce that so Um, I also wanna mention I. I had a great, uh, call last week with Arlington City Council member Bowie. Hogg Uh, talked with him for about half an hour. Uh he was very nice to share their experience with their ordinance. Um He? Uh he said some great things. Uh, one was that I, uh, in the past two years, he could only recall one complaint, uh, from either side of the issue about STRS, so clearly, Arlington has a solution. That's that's working for people. Uh both STR operators and neighborhoods. And He told me that the biggest thing was that they had been clear about. STRS can go here. SRS can't go there. Uh they they they don't have. You know you can have this kind of str here and that kind of str there or we might approve this by SUP. Um And so, you know, I, I think when we look at administrative simplicity that that's really critical. Um I like Option four that that so many speakers have talked about, Um, you know, at least conceptually in in in in broad brush strokes, I think we need to say that we should not have new STRS in single family neighborhoods. I. I don't think that's a compatible use, and I think if we have a process for Su PS, we're setting ourselves up for, uh, you know, contentious debates and a huge administrative burden that I just don't think is beneficial to the city of Plano. Moreover um I think that uh uh if we, uh Have a live in management versus off site management distinction that there's really no practical way to enforce. Then we're setting ourselves up for problems. Also so a as a simple solution, I. I just think you know, we need to look at the data that we've gathered through this entire process. Uh keep in mind, uh, the importance of a community fabric of having neighbors around. Keep in mind all of the work the task force has done and then keep in mind other things like, uh uh, the fact that PDS school funding Based on uh, the number of students that are in schools, and so you know, residential uses that create students, uh are are beneficial to P. I SDS funding and also the point that was made about. Uh uh, you know, sex offenders not having to register when they're in in in a property on on a very short basis. So for all of those reasons and so many others, property values and many others, I just think we need to look at, uh at Option four and have Go for simplicity. Get rid of the sup process. Get rid of the live in management versus off site management Distinction. And just say there are certain areas where we can have STRS in the city of Plano. But in single family neighborhoods, ST RS are not appropriate so that that's how I would vote. Thank you. Council member Horn. It. Miss Uh Is that a motion council member Rick Deli? Uh, I was gonna wait until everybody had commented, but, uh, I'm I'm happy to put emotion on the table to pass that option. I'll I'll second I'll second it. Thank you, Deputy Mayor for T. Council member Horn. Would you like to make your comments? Well, thank you, Commissioner. Ricardelli. Appreciate that, Um I'm gonna be honest with you. I am very conflicted about property rights and the neighborhood. You know the integrity of the neighborhood. I live in a neighborhood. Um love my home. Love the neighbors. They're all great. Um I'm fortunate. I do not have anyone who is renting an STR. Though the map says there is several around my house. But I looked and checked on him and through air BNB and VRBO. And did not find any listings there. So I, uh But we are relying on the data that the sub the subcontractor provided us and that's where we're making our decisions. Again. I'm conflicted. It's almost like you're either We're either gonna be sued now or sued later. If we do a option four we will be sued. OK and you have to recognize that as citizens that that money is gonna go to attorneys instead of, uh, putting overlay on your roads. That's a fact. OK? So if you're good with potholes in that I don't wanna see your comments on next door. OK? But that is the case. We're either going to sue me now or sue me later, so the option four seems to appease all of you, but it does conflict with my position on, um Property rights. I felt like option two was kind of a good Go between there and that we were going to restrict STRS. In single family residence. But now I understand that the latest court cases are going to make no distinction between Live in STRS and off site STRS. So that puts us in another quagmire. But with that being the case, I will, um go with Option four as presented. The member to Well, Everybody already know my position because I second, um, Council Ricard Deli's, uh, motion, but I just wanna say I, I, um, Mr Polian, you know that I after you left, um in the morning, I continue to stay for the trial until, uh, until I came here, So I am really, um Really dying here. Um so I'm I was hurrying Anthony along Not because you know, I. I think that Anthony gets paid by the word but rather I. I am literally closing my eyes as we go. And tomorrow morning I am expected in court at 830 in the morning. So um, I, I really would hope that if you know we can wrap this up, I. I believe the second hearing the mayor will be here. So um, I, I wanna I wanna make sure that I'm here for this Most important vote for Everybody, including my neighborhood. That's all I have. I'll try to be brief. Um I am a strong believer in property rights. And since this issue first came onto my radar, the property rights I've been most concerned about are homeowners who saw a an actual home in an actual neighborhood with an actual community fabric. Um Even our police. Tell us know your neighbors, the three in front three behind and the ones on either sides That's for community fabric That's for safety. That's Staple item. Um I do want to point out that it was correctly said that a lot of the in favor responses we got you read through those. They're almost all in favor of the option three that was presented to planning and zoning, not what was actually passed by planning and zoning. Um I. I think this is important. I'm in favor of Option four. I'll skip to the punch line. Yeah. Because as we've heard so often for the past couple of years, even if there aren't there's not a party house next door. The uncertainty created by not knowing who is there, um, really wreaks havoc on a neighborhood look no further than Wall Street. Wall Street hates uncertainty. More than almost anything else. Um the same applies to neighborhoods so I'm in favor of Option four. Actually, I had a lot of comments, but I don't Know that I want to do it The wrath of Maria tonight, so I will keep it short. Um The, um I agree with everything that's been said Second hearing. OK, well OK, OK, so. Can. Yeah Let's clarification on the second hearing. So if we that's the registration Right now. We're just dealing with the zoning ordinance. So OK? OK, so on the zoning, Um I. I also am in favor of four but with a caveat. Um, I The point's been made many times about your home being the largest investment that you make and that we want people that are homeowners around us, and I wanna know who our neighbors are , and that being said, my experience has been and talking to those who are opposed to the short term rentals. Most of the issues are with the non owner occupied. I think most people who want to rent out a room or doing so because they're trying to supplement, um, paying the mortgage, and so I don't want to, uh open ourselves up for liabilities or additional litigation. I'd rather let other cities pay for that and let us learn from their their experiences. But I also want to leave the door open to revisit down the road. Um, maybe making it possible to, um, make it a little bit easier for those who have not been grandfathered in to rent a room if it means being able to stay in their home since we are the state second to You know, with the biggest affordable housing issue and shortage. So um, that is something that that I feel like, is important. That being said Is referring to any property. That's 30 days or less. So if you are a homeowner that needs to supplement you don't want to commit to a roommate. You could rent a room for 30 days. Um And not be so, you know, subject to that, um, and still be able to use platforms to advertise that. So, um I also want to Say that I feel like we need to do something to fix the grandfathered properties that are the problem properties So I hope we can come up with creative ways because I do really feel for those of you who are having to Well, I think even beyond the registration, but anyway, so yes, I'm in favor for thank you. Thank you, Mayor. OK I think everybody can see this is gonna go in a positive direction. So all I'm gonna say is I'm very glad we got to this point. We could not have done it without the hard work of our citizens and our staff. I think we've been saying all along is yes. You do have property rights. But as a neighborhood and as a single family home owner. You have the right of, I think even the deed says to have and to hold your property and to live in a peaceful environment you if you would have wanted to live Next to a hotel, you know, bought a home next to a hotel. So I think tonight we're finally delivering something. We've got the data now and I'm very proud to be able to support. Uh what we're calling option number four. It's very similar to what I had thought about with Option three and add thing. So thank you guys. You did it. It was great. So I'm in favor. Also. All right. Um OK, our staff. OK OK. Our our staff is putting up, um, on the screen. Exactly what we're going to be voting on. So Christine, did you did you want to clarify? Or have have some comments on this. I think this version on the screen and we have, um, paper copies of as well allows for live in management and heritage districts, so we haven't seen the option for that was handed out, um, by the public, so we're not sure how that aligns You know, And, uh, just on that point, looking at the paper here about option four. It it does mention, uh, that short term rental would be, uh, permitted in heritage properties, but keeping with that sort of bed and breakfast use. I do think that for those heritage Heritage districts where option four would allow, uh, short term rental that it's important to restrict that to live in management, even with the enforcement difficulties just because I think having that having, uh, that restriction versus not having it in the heritage areas is, uh, Beneficial. Yeah I would be supportive of leaving it in the Heritage districts. As it is, and as it is in this, uh Ordinances that was passed out to us. Does anybody have concerns with that? Does everybody understand the difference of what we're saying? OK so if you look at page five, or you want to explain it, I was OK. Well go ahead, Christina. I'm sorry. We don't have a copy of that. So I. I don't know. Says. So whereas uh uh on their option four, it says to remove all the stink distinctions between live in management and off site management on Page five of the ordinance that we have before us. They're still is Live in management. For the Heritage District. What do we This is a page question. Do we run into issues? Um with that, with the pending case on if we provided advice on that and executive session, So, um Just to ask the coal coalition. Do you wanna ask them? What Mr F. Would you mind answering a question real quick? OK? So I think our option has a slight difference than yours does with regard to the heritage. Uh, Districts. So heritage districts would require , uh, in the version we're looking at. Live in management, and I wanted to see if the coalition has an official position on that. We do not have a, uh OK? An objection as long as we believe, as long as the city believes that it's um it within the best interest of that district. But we don't have the knowledge. Uh Or or the, uh, experience of the folks who live there to be able to speak one way or the other to that, But we have no objection. Uh Mr. Thank you for answering on the on the fly. We appreciate it. I know. I know. We kind of put you on the spot, but I think its council has has taken all the input and considered this. We're looking to make the most informed decision that we can. So thank you. Council member Williams. Thank you. Just a little discrepancy. I noted for the boarding rooming house, it says single room occupancy in the definitions. But then the description seems to read as our existing description. Uh, where in three or more rooms are individually rented, And yet it says single room occupancy in the title. That's a single room occupancy is a technical term that's used in zoning ordinances throughout the United States that talks about your occupying a single room, essentially, so you're renting. A room. So that's That's the reference, so it's not meant to delineate that only one room in a dwelling is for rent. OK, thank you. Kay a RE there any more questions or a RE? We ready to vote? My only question is do I need to modify my motion to since I said option four in the motion, and I think I think we're actually going with something that is slightly more restrictive of short term rentals in that, um Even even what option four would allow in, uh, heritage districts. Uh, we're restricting that a little bit further to say it would be only live in management and Heritage district, So I will modify my motion with it. Was this within the packet? I think so. Rather so that we were referring. We're referring to this. Which option was this in the packet? This? Um This is just a nuance of what was in the past. It's a little bit of a different flavor it it is consistent with what's in the packet. And the main reason is that In Heritage districts today in the urban residential zoning district, which covers most heritage properties. Uh bed and breakfast is allowed by, right so that's why we're just making that parallel. So And did you modify? Yes I. I will so modify my motion. Okay I'll withdraw my second and then um, And then second modification. Sounds great. Thank you, Deputy Mayor Pro TEM. So we have a motion in a second. Uh please raise your hand if you are in support. All right. That motion passes 7 to 0. There you go. Hey, wait. OK? We will. We will take a brief We'll take a brief recess and come back at 10 o'clock. What's going on. Eight minutes, eight minute break until until 10 o'clock. OK, Here we go. There we go. Thank you. Yeah, well, Thanks. Hey, No. Yeah, you It's OK, I. I thought you Yeah. Why Thank you. You know, other than here? Yeah. Thank you. Way to go. Way to go. I know this has been a journey, so thank you. One more item, but I think that's it Take years long process. Oh, I, I would say Augustine. Thank you. 19 A while. Thank you so much. That it would be a lot. Five. You. Right? Hey, guys. My. Oh, thank you very much. Thank you. We. Exactly. Right? Yeah. Yes, definitely. About. We have. Or something. I. And it was weird because the fact that Not. And We are here. All right. Item number two item number two consideration of an ordinance to amend Chapter six buildings and building regulations of the Code of Ordinances of the city of Plano by adding Article 24 registration of short term rental properties providing for procedures for the registration of short term rental operation, providing for procedures for approval, denial, suspension and revocation of registration of short term rentals and providing a penalty clause a sever. Clause a repeal clause, a publication clause clause and an effective date. All right. Good evening. City Council. I was gonna tell, uh, council member two that I was gonna keep this brief, but she's not even here. She would. She would appreciate the brevity even in her eyes. I will appreciate it. So let's keep going. All right. Well uh, my name is Curtis Howard. I am the director of neighborhood services. And I am here to talk to you a little bit about, uh, the short term rental registration program. Uh, just a little bit. About the major provisions that I have discussed with you already. This this, uh, registration program requires all SRS to register with the city. Uh we have, uh, basically established a training program that we will provide. SDR owners and operators and then option will provide a reduced fee incentive so they'll get $100 off if they, uh off the registration fee if they complete that that, uh course on an annual basis, uh, also requires that STRS must designated contact to respond to issues. Uh, applicants must prove that they have liability proof of liability insurance up to a million dollars. Uh, occupancy taxes must be paid, Uh, owner must complete a self And maintain those records for three years. Uh, owners must post registration and host rules within the, uh, the entryway of the short term meal. It requires noise and video monitoring on all STRS. Uh, also prohibits advertising promoting or using an STR as an assembly hall. Uh, provides a process for denial, suspension or revocation of registration and a subsequent appeal process. So we have due process in place, And finally, it also includes a criminal offense for violations of this ordinance. Uh And if you look one of the things that we did is, we have a, um G the responses on the registration uh 85. Total responses on registration were received. 58 were in support. Uh, 16 were in opposition, and there were 11 duplicates. And so finally, one of the things that, uh, that we had is based upon last council meeting. We have updated some of the provision based on counsel's direction. So first of all, one of the things that we've done is, uh, is we do in in order to Um, uh, Make sure we do not disincentivize owners or operators from contacting the police or contacting the city. If there's a problem, we provide the director an option to disregard either a nuisance or serious incident. If the owner contacts the city and is Cooper about the process, so we're not going to penalize the owner if they're the ones who call the police, Uh, also clarifies the requirement for a designated contact to respond or resolve the issue within one hour or within a reasonable time. In the circumstances. So if the uh owner operator can make a phone call and solve the problem, That's what uh, that's what it that that's one of the things that they'll be able to do. Uh, if they need to come out, then they'll have to come out. Uh, but our, uh from an enforcement standpoint, one of the things we want to do is we want to make sure that they solve the problem and, um This will allow. Uh some flexibility in doing that also requires noise and outdoor video monitoring equipment and all STRS. One of the things we wanna make sure is, it's done that the noise stuff is gonna be decibel levels inside the, uh the STR. The video monitoring will be outside in areas where there's not an expectation of privacy. There is a, uh there. There is a provision in there that basically says that the they have to provide the city upon request. Uh, either video or monitoring data, uh and we'd ask. You take that out? Because we wouldn't do that. We wouldn't just ask for it. If we were gonna, uh, take enforcement action. We would certainly get a subpoena or get that through legal process. Also clarifies it a nuisance or serious incident are criminal conduct, as defined by city ordinance, state law or federal law, so basically a better ties and cleans up the language to de to, uh, define what? Uh either a nuisance nuisance in incident or serious incident is, uh, one of the request to counsel had is to kind of reduce the, uh, the renewal fee if they hit in order to incentivize good neighbors and good behavior by operators and, um, owners, and that is to The renewal fee. Uh, And we've done that by $100 if the STR has not had a incident within the prior 12 months. Uh, and also allows for an STR property to operate without updating the registration for up to 90 days upon transfer. That means if somebody sells it, uh and they've got bookings listed already that, uh, that they'll be able to maintain those bookings during that transfer process, which we have now, uh, at 90 days. And just some other recommendations. One of the recommendations by counsel was to you know, one of the concerns was is that if somebody an operator or owner gets a call, How are they gonna know what's on the STR? And we one of the things that we have is we don't necessarily have a good way of providing one single number That will do that. If we've got an officer responding at night, Uh, it might be the officer's cell phone could be dispatched. Could be our Arctic unit out of the records division could be neighborhood services, so we didn't really have a way where a call to a, uh, owner, operator or designated contact is going to come from one number. I also it's gonna be difficult to differentiate between serious incidents. You know, One of the things that we've done is because we've clarified the language. These are all going to be criminal offenses, and I don't necessarily want to get into the, uh, to the into trying to define what a serious incident is, Uh uh, through this ordinance, so that's going to be part of the process when we determine, uh, when we go through the enforcement process Uh, And then also one of the requests was is Hey, Is there a way that we can sunset this and look at this to see if it is working as intended, and we certainly will provide counsel reports, uh, on a quarterly basis, or, uh, annual basis, whatever you desire as to how these are working. And with that , uh, I know, uh, councils received information from Mr France and Mr Reiner, Uh, and others about this sort of stuff, so I'd be wel I welcome questions. Entertain any questions you might have. Uh, thank you, Uh, Curtis with our non conforming or grandfathered, uh, STRS that we have now, particularly the problem ones that were alluded to in several discussions here as our, uh, citizen. Look, uh, told us about today. What can we do? What is gonna be the immediate step now that we moved forward with, uh, zoning and we're talking about the grandfather in parts ones that particularly are the bad actors. Other than what? What are we gonna do? Different to change the behavior of the owner? To where they could be. Better neighbors. So I think what's gonna happen right now is what what we'll do is, uh, I believe we have an August 1st. Uh uh, date that this would go into effect. Uh, if you cancel decide to adopt this this ordinance this evening, Uh, what we would do is we would start sending out letters. Uh, informational letters to all owners that what they have to do is they have to register and they'll have to do that by August 1st. So we've got those letters already drafted, And so what'll happen is, uh, as we go through that process, uh, number one We'll do is we'll certainly look at their behavior and this will be another tool in the toolkit that we have to deal with. Problem properties. So uh, if we have, uh, neighbors who were having problems with the short term rental, please call the police start off with that. And then that, of course, will be documented. And uh then that stuff can be used to determine. Uh, as we go forward the you know whether whether the rigid go through the registration process and um and with that Documentation. Uh, that may start affecting their ability to either get registered or lose their registration at some point. So call the call the police, and we'll document that, and then we'll go to the registration process go from there. So back from a legal perspective if we have them lose their registration does that sort of Lead to a takings for lost revenue. We don't wanna talk about legal advice in open session and we talked about some of this before. But if we need to Go into closed session again or follow up. After Or table to get more advice. Are you good? You can follow up later. Yeah follow up like we'll follow up later with that. OK, Thank you. Member Williams. Thank you, Curtis. Um, you mentioned that if, uh, an operator were or a designated respondee, um, were required to be on site. They'd have to come on site. However what I'm reading in the ordinance doesn't say that they have to be available to be on site. Um, it simply says Um Let me get back to it. Um. To ensure the designated contacts are available and authorized to act in the described as described in the section above, um and that, uh, May be accessible by telephone, able to respond or resolve the report or request within one hour of being contacted, or within a reasonable time, considering the circumstances so respond within one hour. Definitely Um, but if, uh if it does require, if the situation whatever it is, does require them to be on site, and they're like I'm in Tennessee or worse. I'm in Belgium. Um the subsequent language or within a reasonable time considering the circumstances. OK, well, you'll be back in. You know a week we'll take it up then, um, I, I would feel much more comfortable. If, um Uh, If this required them to be able to be on site, if required If they can resolve anything over the phone, fantastic, no need to get them over to the property. But if it does require them to be on site at I'd want them to be able to whoever the operator is. Is there any other provision in here that we're aware of that addresses that there is not, you know, and what we're looking at is, we're we're When we take some sort of enforcement action. We want. We want to resolve the problem. And so Depending upon what the complaint is. You know if the complaint is, uh uh, A garbage bag is next to the trash can. It's not in the trash can And they call, uh and that can be resolved. Uh uh over the phone. However, however, it's done. We don't necessarily need the person to respond within one hour, so we're trying to give some flexibility to deal with all the situations that occur at at these places again in order to resolve the problem, So there is not another provision in there. Uh but the way that we drafted that was just with the thought being that, uh, if somebody Has their trash cans out, and it violates the ordinance of having trash cans out. And uh, their husband is gonna be get off work at five and he'll be there in in an hour and a half. Uh is that reasonable? Based on the, uh, the circumstances, you know, that's something that we'll have to address. But it gives us some flexibility. All right. Thank you. And regarding the, um uh, not counting as a strike if an incident is reported by the owner or the operator, Um, how do we count an incident there is that each individual call, Let's say in the extreme example 3030 shots fired in the neighborhood that that's gonna result in a lot of calls. Are we striking the whole incident from the record Just because the owner is one of the people who call OK, just that one call. So, for example, and you know when You try and try and try and Figure out ways of doing this. One of the things that this will require, is that they have a noise monitoring device. So if you have an owner operator whose noise monitoring device starts going off, indicating that there is, uh there's a, you know a party going on. Uh but it hasn't gotten to the point where neighbors have complained yet, and that, uh, that owner operator calls the police. The police respond. No neighbors have been inconvenienced at that point. We don't wanna disincentivize. Uh, those operators from from contacting the law enforcement if needy At such a time before it generates neighbor complaints. Exactly So if you have a situation if you and then on the other stream if you've got a party going on, right, uh there's a bunch of drunk and Boris going on. Uh And not only does the operator call the police, but you have all the neighbors. Well, guess what we have. We have now a nuisance and incident or serious incident, depending upon the situation, one that's not negated just because the operator was one of the people who called exactly OK, Thank you. Council member Homer. Um I just want to get clarification on the noise monitoring devices. Do we know what the cost is for that and what? What What's available as options? Uh, I. I do not know what the cost is. I do know that there are Several companies out there that offer that service to basically short term rental, Uh operators, and, uh, you know, it's basically a device that you put up and what it'll do is you've got an app on your phone. It'll tell you what the decimal levels and that sort of thing are do not know what the cost is, Uh, but I think it's fairly reasonable for that sort of service. I mean, I would be interested to know that before requiring it and just just so we kind of know what what we're expecting. Any other questions. OK, I'm just a follow up to a council member. William's question about section 6-7 45 G regarding the, uh Nuisance S incident reported by Uh, by the owner or by the manager. Um so That was something that that I had mentioned, adding into the ordinance. At the last meeting. Other council members I believe brought it up as well. And you know, I do think that's important because the intent is not to penalize and thereby Disincentivize, Uh, a manager or owner from self reporting an incident before it becomes bad enough that somebody else needs to report it, but like council member, Williams said. The intent, I. I also obviously was not to insulate, uh, the property owner where there are where there's more than one report, and only one of those comes from The, uh, F from from the owner or manager just not to count the owner or manager's own call against them. Uh, so I appreciate your response to council member Williams on that point that we're not. We're not, uh, we're in a situation where multiple calls are made. We're not, uh, immunizing. That from being a nuisance incident or a serious incident just because one of those calls was made by the owner or manager. Uh and I understood your response correctly in that regard, Uh, Right, And that's correct. And if, if you look at it, basically, the language is director may disregard So it's not a shell. OK, got you and you know I was just going to suggest Um That to make that intent more clear. Um Perhaps we could add language where I'm I'm interested in what the staff's thoughts would be on adding language. Just you, you know, just saying rather than relying on the permissive main language rather than mandatory shall language that's used there. Um, that we, um Add some language that says essentially that Um Where you know where another report is made at or prior to the same time that the owner reports it, or, um, you know, then, then the director will not disregard it. Um What would your thoughts on that be? You know I'd have to. I'd have to look at the language and play around with the language to make sure that we don't negate what we have here. Got you. So do you mean something to distinguish where the operator was the sole call? EE exactly because I think that's the at least what I was envisioning. You know, at the last meeting where I said, you know, we wouldn't want to penalize them for self reporting. Not the situation like you mentioned where you know if there were gunshots, you know, the operator reports it and so do 10, other people or 20 other people or whatever. You know the situation where a responsible operator Reports it before it becomes enough of an issue that anybody else reports it and not to have them sitting there by their phone thinking I could use law enforcement's help with this situation, but I don't wanna get dinged for this. So I'm not gonna call we wanna incentivize them to call and remove the penalty. You know for them to responsibly report it themselves, but not not create a situation where there's immunity and I. I think what I understand from your answer. Director Howard is that, um, essentially the way that we're accomplishing that with the current language Is that the director may disregard if it does not have to. So it's kind of within the directors. Uh, discretion. But Uh, what would your thoughts be on on just adding some type of language in providing guidance, you know, to future directors for all years in perpetuity that , um, you know that that basically We don't disregard it. If there are multiple calls only if it's a situation where the only call came from the operator. Uh, yeah, again. I put I without, uh, without knowing specifically what the language is. It'd be really hard to make sure that those don't conflict, but, uh, we can certainly look at that. OK, Got you got you reading this again. You know if I were to read this outside the context of this discussion right now, I could see where any and it says nuis incident or serious incident. Uh, or serious nuisance incident could be disregarded without respect to how many calls came in like that . That extreme example again of, uh, 30 shots fired. Um, which was a real example Not a hypothetical Um, you know that results in a lot of calls, but if the operator was one of those calls, this could be interpreted to dismiss the whole thing. Yeah. And I think that would be based upon the director's discretion. So but, um I mean, you know, and with any enforcement situation, you're gonna have discretion. And so in this, you know if we had a shooting, and we have 30 calls and the owner, it just happens to hear about it and calls the police as one of them. Uh I probably pretty safe to say that they're not the director will not disregard. Uh, all 29 other calls. Got you? Well, that that makes sense. Um what would your thoughts be? You know you you mentioned needing concrete language, which makes absolute sense. What if, uh what if that last line before the Sub part one and two in G, said the director. May but is not obligated to disregard such incident at the following criteria is met. I can probably put something like that in there. Fantastic I think that would that That would just make it clear. You know, because this ordinance will probably be around long after any of us are in the roles that we're currently in. So I just wanna make sure the wording is clear. Uh, on the intent So I was gonna answer, Councilwoman. Homer Um it looks like those devices cost between 50 $100, according to lovely power of Google. Um and registration is 10 to $15 a month for the monitoring service . So thank you. The power of just also came to me and told me something similar. It does look like it's very reasonable and affordable. So thank you. Do we have any other questions? No, OK. All right, I'm gonna open the public hearing. And we have Several speakers, so I have a proposition for everyone. Um we are allotting a minute and 30 seconds, but since it's 1021 at night, If you speak for less than a minute, you're gonna win coffee with Anthony. So, I. I think I'm gonna be over caffeinated. Just kidding. But yes, If you would like to speak for less, we will give you you'll get a gold star on my paper. All right. OK so we do have 47 speakers just giving you a heads up. The first speaker is Laurie Green, followed by Bill France and Elena Burke. I Star. I Here we go. Let me know when. Yeah. Please stop me at one minute, one second. Um Um Mayor Pro TEM Council. Good evening. I'm Bill France, representing the Plano, Texas neighborhood coalition. Over the past two years. We have pleaded with you, our city leaders to enact and enforce reasonable laws to remedy the many issues and concerns that have been brought before you. Tonight We stand at the brink of a decision that, although will not fix the problems of the past, will hopefully prevent, deter and correct in the future. The woeful conduct that we have had to endure in its absence. However. However, many words that we have codified In this ordinance. The true test of this law will be in the effectiveness of a ability to be enforced. Please allow. Please follow the Arlington model and enact, tested and proven rules that will provide the city management all the necessary tools to safeguard our community, protect our Children and ensure the peace and security of all who call Plano home. Thank you for your time and commitment to this process. My point was already made. The next speaker, then is Steven Kako, followed by Katherine Parker and Mark Pulliam. So, Anthony, I'll go for that coffee here. So just a couple of items here on the registration, um, that I believe it's really to provide the city with enforcement tools against bad actors. Um so I'm just a couple points and I think, Shelby you already really made one incident incident. Response time should be one hour and I'm separating incident response time from incident resolution so they would respond to an issue but probably not solve it because incident resolution could be a longer time, depending on the circumstances, But I do believe The designated contact should be actively engaged in the resolution process. Once notified, Um, finally, the fees. I don't think they should be overly burdens burdensome, but they should cover the city's costs and not really burden taxpayers. And finally maybe um something for citizens, and maybe this is more in the enforcement side and not so much in the definition of maybe Plano. Fix it or something has a non emergency option for us to report things. So a white venti latte would be great. You. You got it? I'm your favorite barista, I guess. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. The so the while you were gone, Mayor, the Mayor Pro TEM, uh, signed me up for coffee with anyone who speaks for less than a minute, So I'm I'm I'm gonna be bouncing off the words So you're enforcing tonight? I guess so indeed. And my next OK? Hello I'm Catherine Q Parker. My husband and I have lived in Plano for 10 years. For years, Plano residents have suffered living by short term rentals with no recourse. The city must pass a strong Reg Reg Registration Ordinance to address the health and safety of these lodging operations and to rein in those that are bad actors. For the past year, the STR task Force met six times conducted. Surveys took public info input from two Open house. Reviewed and analyzed data and reported their findings in two reports that have been shared with City Council planning and zoning and the public. Now is the time to enact a strong short term rental registration ordinance to maintain the health and safety of our Plano neighborhoods. Thank you. Good evening again, Uh, Mark Pulliam. Thank you for passing the zoning ordinance earlier. I appreciate that very much, uh, the registration ordinance. I had a couple of comments on specific clauses and there have been addressed primarily with one exception. Section 6.740. Uh I don't see a reason why the city should not Sure the city should be accepting the HOT. Taxes directly and not basically defer. To the hosting company to trust them. Uh, you're losing your audit controls. But that I just kind of disagree. I just throw that out there for you to think about. Um I think the ability for the there's been a discussion about the ability of the police to contact an owner or operator. Um if, uh, basically someone in your department is not available after five o'clock on Friday. How does someone get a hold of him? Does this does the police have a database of numbers? Can they get to it? I'm asking you. Question is can can do. The police have a database of numbers for the Is it available to contact? Yes, sir. Yeah, So it's at some point. What we're gonna do is, uh Once we get that information uploaded to our C AD system. So our dispatch center it wasn't obvious. I didn't know that. And finally I just wanna urge the City Council to basically To basically keep keep the foot on the staff. 20 seconds to enforce the ordinances. Uh, there there's been statements about proceeding with a review of parking ordinances, noise ordinances. Et cetera. Please Let's just keep keep going with those. Thank you very much. Thank you. The next speaker is John Burke, followed by Marla Kyriakos and Glenn Smith. Take off my purse. Good evening, Mr Merrett. Thank you for Well, this opportunity. Um I strongly agree with and support a robust registration process for all short term rentals. Um, I do want to make a comment regarding Shelby's, uh, question that he brought up regarding reasonable time frame for addressing incident reports. Um I agree with the language in the first phrase that says one hour Yet I object to the language of reasonable time frame, depending on the circumstance. Um I believe that an STR operator or owner if they choose to operate this particular type of business that they manage the business in such a way that has them positioned to respond within the hour, But I am out of the office. I rely on my contingency plans, um for the designated person or team to handle any concerns that are arise within a reasonable time, and I and I don't necessarily count on the patient's understanding and coping skills of the person reporting the problem. And I expect the same from the SDR operators. Thank you for your time this evening. My opinion in support of the strong ordinance has been covered so RFW You got it. I respectfully relinquish as well and express it. I hope someone's writing all this down. I'm not You are, if you were Yeah. Yeah, This is like like coffee with Anthony. It's our program for speaking short. Yeah, the next great idea. Melissa Pulliam, followed by Anne Hill and Cindy Patillo. She has caught me. They You got it. Thank you. OK, Anthony, Maybe I'm gonna need to take you to, uh, coffee, but I will keep it below the minute and a half. I promise. Um so I do support strong and clear requirements, um, in this registration process , and I wanted to give a little color on the section 6736 issue with time for responding by the designated conduct. I understand from talking to people in Arlington who are familiar with their ordinance that they require their equivalent of the designated contact to be on premises within An hour because they are needed in order to permit the police into a residence. So I live on the street with a party house. That's a big problem. We've had every reason that the police should be able to go in there underage drinking photographs, videos, whatever. You can see it happening. They can't go in there because there is no one authorized to let them into the house. So I would just ask that you consider that when we're wanting to deal with these real problem houses that they have those Flexibility, I. I appreciate and respect and think that we need to preserve that. But we need to be careful that it doesn't create loopholes. And so we are dealing with some bad actors that that will take advantage of flexibility and turn those into loopholes. So um , do your best and, um, allow yourself to revisit it and give yourself strong tools to work with. Thank you. Hi. I'm Cindy Patillo. I'll try to be quick, but I don't think I'm gonna make a minute. Um just really quick. I echo the concern about the response. The house behind mine had water coming under the gate and going down the alley for something like 36 hours over a weekend. And I called and was told. Yeah we can't jump the fence and turn the water off. We gotta have somebody there. So I get it, too, that somebody might not be able to physically get there within an hour, But I feel like if something's reported within an hour, whoever's in charge ought to have a response. They ought to know what's going to happen to resolve the issue. Um there's a comment about and I'm sorry. I don't have the numbers about, um No, I think that's zoning. Never mind. Um That I know that there have been conversations about cost, and I'm sure you're gonna hear about that from the people who have to invest their money in the, um, equipment and the insurance and all that kind of stuff. What I would say to that is, um every business has a cost of doing business. So this is going to this program is going to cost the city to administer it and I feel like the people who are engaged in the business of running a rental need to be able to put that money in to the process as appropriate. And finally I live in a no HO a neighborhood on a small lot with very close houses, so I would ask you to consider that situation as you're adopting. These ordinances because it's really what we're gonna be, depending on. Thank you. The next speaker is John Green, followed by Suzanne Papa and Maria Bauer. He doesn't get coffee. Suzanne. My name is Maria Bauer. Um my husband spoke earlier. I'm a Navy veteran. Combined We have 20 years of active duty service. We've been living in the city of Plano for 10 years. Um I wanna talk about time in three weeks. My son walks across the stage to graduate the last two years. He has seen his mother and his father spend an inordinate amount of time. I wanna thank you on this on this process. I wanna thank you for step one. I wanna thank you that there will not be a third. Term rental on my block, but there still are two and you've heard all night. These problems are not gonna go away with what was approved from number one. Thank you again that there won't be a third, but we still have those issues and I am 1000% behind the strictest ordinance because when my boys come home, they're two memories. They're memories of Plano The last few years of their high school years are prostitutes, drugs police that are basically impotent because all they can do is come and direct traffic. The 200 miners that are throwing condoms, alcohol and drug paraphernalia on our street that my son helped clean up the next day. OK this is real and to raise a family and to work your whole life to have your dream home and to have the last two years of your boys memories to be of this and the city being impotent to handle. It is heartbreaking. Please do the right thing. I'd rather you completely get rid of STRS. But since you can't make it uncomfortable. For them, so they go away. Thank you. The next group of speakers. Bill Baker, Barbara, France and ARN Parker. Good evening, Mayor. Members of the council. When I see Mr Mayor, I feel terribly underdressed. Whatever it was, it must have been. This is gonna be the norm from now on. Oh, Let me zip up my jacket. Just one short note I. Unfortunately I'll be honest. I didn't read the total. Registration process, but one thought I had is about fire safety. I don't know if there's anything in there. But my head is where fire safety What do we do to keep the occupants safe? Because every room that they may be sleeping in Have more than one exit. Does it have a door and a window? Or is it just a door? Just think about this. I don't in my houses. There's multiple exits. I'd have to kick a win out. But some of these homes may not have that. And there may be a legal requirement that I'm not aware of. But just a heads up. That's one item that's always concerned me. Thanks for listening. Good evening. My name is Barbara, France. I'm a registered neonatal IC U nurse. I'm required to have a license to do my job. I had to apply for this license and pay a fee. I had to submit to a background check and show that I have met all the necessary requirements. I'm required to pay for and renew my license. I must comply with all the rules necessary for renewal, including continuing education requirements. While performing my duties. I must conform to certain specific standards as set by my workplace and the Texas Board of Nursing. When I'm on call, and the unit needs me. I must arrive within one hour of the call. If something goes wrong and an egregious error is made, I could lose my license. I would be required to go before the board to review the mistake and they would determine if I could keep my license or if it should be revoked. An ordinance governing the requirements. Standards and expectations of STR operators is reasonable and necessary. Please adopt these regulations tonight to safeguard our community. Thank you. All right, Mr Parker passes so we will move on to Zoe reveal Lauren and Greg Patillo. Hi. My points have been made. And I'll take a double press now. You got it. Your order number is 73. I did have that line. Like the next But I'm gonna say that Lauren. OK, Greg Pitillo. Good evening, Mayor and council. I try to be brief. Uh, although I, I think Anthony doesn't really want to have coffee with me. Um Couple of things, III. I believe if, uh, the list of hosting platforms uh includes platforms that do not, uh, have a VCAI. I think we ought to require a tax ID that gives, uh, staff a heads up that this is someone that should be audited or at least viewed as someone who should be paying their taxes. Um The other thing that I would like to suggest is, um, we have to recognize at some point that 84. Of people have not been calling the police. And when I talk to residents, their biggest fear is a fear of Reprisal from the guest. So what I suggest, is something like that was mentioned earlier, either an app or a platform? I know. Uh, Arlington uses granicus where we can capture Digi digital data and upload that, uh, either through fix it, or, uh, portal and have that to be the instance of reporting an incident versus getting the police involved that allows us to do it after the fact doesn't require direct conflict, so that alleviates some of the fears, But if you go to Arlington's, uh, STR site, you'll see complaint and it has one number. And it has the Web platform. So I believe that I believe that, uh, gives us a lot of, uh, op opportunity there, and it gets a lot of the guess. Work out and sometimes the police don't show up. All the noise is still going on. And so gets all of that out of out of the way. Thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it. The next group is Pamela Barber and Sharon Overall and Kara Ireland. Pamela. Venture. Sharing overall , all short term rentals in the city should require permits. Permits of bad actors must be able to be revoked. Guidelines and procedures for revocation of the permit need to be set that are clear and precise. So they know the steps that will be taken. Thank you. Didn't give Anthony your word. Get that later, OK? Carol Ireland. OK, she was supposed to be on zoom and she isn't so we'll move on to Alex Stein. OK, Antonio Molina, Ben. I'll keep it short. But good evening mayor and members of the Plano City Council I'm Antonio Molina bedeck. I want to begin by expressing my gratitude to everyone involved in allowing me to continue operating my Airbnb despite the challenges I truly appreciate this opportunity. However, I must express My strong opposition to the blanket ban on Airbnb rentals and single family neighborhoods that are not owner occupied. This policy seems to require a conjuring of property rights to fit a certain narrative. It's concerning the property rights are being manipulated and potentially undermined. What registration itself may not constitute a property, right? The implication of registration and regulation are significance the influence for property owners can and cannot do with their own homes. I have a question since I don't know. Um so we talked about the fees, right? $300 is the initial fee. Um and the renewal is also 300. So I understood from the presentation. You get $100 discount from, um no incidents. And then you get the $100 discount from also, um, doing the training so that would leave it. That's correct, So it would be $100. So I think that's very good. I appreciate that. It's crucial that also any Regula regulatory framework regarding short term rental strikes. Balance between community concerns and property rights. Thank you for your attention and consideration. Thank you. Alright We have Rob Ingalls and Veronica Bullet. He's gone, OK? And so, Rob. No. Then our next two people will be on zoom and it is Mark Asher. It's just a couple seconds for him to pop in. Mister Asher. You'll put it on the, uh, turn on your camera and speak. OK, go ahead. You'll need to unmute. Yeah Hello. Can you hear me now? Yes, we can hear you now . Please go ahead. Thank you. Good evening, Uh, stay there for time. And like members of the City Council. My name is Mark Asher and I stand up for you today as a resident of Plano for the past 14 years, I wish to address the contentious issue of the proposed short term rental ordinances throughout the months of meetings, both here and in the Plano and finding a zoning sessions. I've observed a process driven by good intentions but marred by emotional reactions rather than grounded by factual data. I appreciate everyone's dedication for what they believe is best for our city. I must express my strong disapproval of rushing into legislation driven by fear rather than facts. We cannot afford to enact laws based on unfounded fears or transform our city into a nanny state with hastily imposed regulations that unjustly limit the rights of certain members of our community . I acknowledge the need for a reasonable registration process to prevent over saturation of ST RS in neighborhoods. The current proposal lacks the necessary due diligence and input from all affected parts. Before any decision is made. We must ensure a balanced approach through a thorough evaluation of ample time for discussion. Rushing to meet arbitrary deadlines compromises our status as a city of exodus. I urge you to consider the ramifications of hasty decisions and to prioritize the well being and rights of all Plano residents. Thank you for your time and dedication to serving our community. The next speaker is Jennifer Asher, who's joining us via Zoom as well. Go ahead. And is it Is it working? Yes. Go ahead, OK, perfect. My name is Jennifer Asher. I've been an Airbnb host since 2015 I love hosting. I did not even know the city was considering limiting our opportunities as residents hosting a short term rental unit until last fall, when an upcoming guest messaged me in a panic asked me to STRS had been banned in Plano. We had to search the Internet to learn about the temporary ban that had and that we had been grandfathered in. We assumed from what we found that NATO was just trying to put a registration in process so that you could keep track of STRS for S for tax and accountability purposes. We didn't think about it again until about just two months ago, when members of this alliance contacted us for our help. By that time, it seemed too late to be heard now seeing the proposed restrictions and registration, I feel hurt and attacked. I have heard that there are concerns about female residents, safety and comfort. I'm in favor of a reg registration, but the composed registration is unnecessarily complex and most requirements Have nothing to do with anyone's safety, but only provide an opportunity for non compliance. It is holding one small segment of poems to a much higher standard than any other resident or business for no good reason. I now have met and become friends with many other STR hosts. As a group. We are standing together and want to work with with the city rather than having to fight against an unfair or ordinance over which we were given little opportunity to be heard. Please give us the opportunity to be a part of this process. We would like to simplify the restrictions and registration in a way that does not infringe on our rights, but does protect our neighbors and ensure that a home being used as an STR is not propose any more danger or destruction than any other home. Thank you. The next speaker is Tatiana Ramirez, followed by Enrique Ramirez and John Arbuckle. Cleaning Major City Council for far too long. Both the SR owners and their guests have gotten away with everything. On the other hand, we the neighbors are the only ones that have lived with a negative consequences caused by the lack of accountability. In our neighborhood, the two STRS combined can take up to 30 guests in one single night. This means that the number of overnight guests allowed equals the same number of people that actually live in our street. In addition, at any point during their stay, this same guest can invite people over on top of that. When the event is posted online, there are additional unexpected guests. Can you imagine having a wedding in one STR and a bachelorette party in the other STR at the same time in one single day, we had at least 100 and 90 people in our neighborhood, please vote in favor of registration. Thank you. Hello again. My name is Enrique Ramirez. I think we've been hearing all night. How difficult it is to live, Uh, with two SDRS on the street that are used repeatedly for parties, so I won't repeat myself. But I wanna say that we definitely need regulation for STRS. And I strongly support registration. Lastly I wanna propose that those of us who took less than 30 seconds get steak dinner with Mr Anthony. Thank you. I don't know if we have the budget for steak, but, uh, you're welcome to C. On Arbuckle. Large Jones. Followed by Scott Go and Stacy Matthews. Laura. And we'll move on to Scott Goble. Stacy Matthews. She had to believe as well. OK? Woo hoo! Alright Jenna, Mo. Hi Thank you. Um my name is Gina Morey. I've lived in Plano majority of my life. Um and I have my current home for over 20 years. I strongly oppose the registration recommendations from the task Force report. It doesn't seem fair, and I don't believe it will solve the current issues with the problematic STRS. Well it may not be the intent it feels as though we are being discriminated against with the list of items suggested for the registration process really believe if we have a simple registration process with minimal fees, that is all that is needed. Then I personally would like to have a tiered system for those whom are not managing their properties accordingly. For example, the party homes First Send a warning . Second find the property owner and third suspend for a period of time and then maybe on the fourth and final strike shut that particular STR down for good. The idea of having one strike in your suspended for XYZ amount of time. Is not justice. It's extremely harsh punishment, especially for those of us who have worked tirelessly for to properly maintain their homes and protect the fabric of the city. Thank you for your time. The next speaker is Daniella Santana Letterer, followed by Eddie Letterer and J Goodwin. I City Council member. I am the Spanish girl usually no, you know? Sorry OK, I need to start to say that I regret that today. The registration for the speak today was not clear for me and I only prepare my intervention about the ordinance. I'm going to read my statement today because it's my opinion and I will be part of the city and this is going to be part of the city public record, OK? We understand the importance of the taking into consideration the future needs and requirements for all of the residents of Plano, but we believe that the current proposed ordinance unfairly restrict property rights. Rather than advance on short term rent as we should focus on finding solutions that balance the needs of the older community members. We are not just thinking about our current needs. We also about the future requirements of others who may want to use the property in different ways. The proposed ordinance would remove a property owner's right to decide how to use their own properties, which is a fundamental right We ask that you reject the extreme measure and rather were off to establish Regulation that protects neighborhoods from irresponsible or potato support. Responsible short term rental hosts and guests promote community engagement and understanding on how the constitutional right of the property additional established established, uh, percentage of density of all type of rental depending on it. The district zip code or neighborhood will allow for more balanced approach in Plano resident truly knew the impact of this proposed ordinance. On their property rights. You will need a much bigger room for this meeting. If everybody knows that, let's deal with a real issue with the real issues affecting our community rather than targeting a specific group. Let's create a more inclusive, diverse growing community and just decide for all ma'am. I finished. I know my ordinances in the mail that I sent to you. Ok, thank you. Hi. Eddie Letterer 40 Year resident of Plano. I also thought I was speaking on ordinances as well. So I'm gonna have my say to a certain degree, um, understanding the city's messaging here. If you're traveling with your family and pets and want to stay in a neighborhood home while visiting family that live here in Plano, please stay in Richardson. If you're looking to purchase a house in Plano and want to come experience neighborhood life in Plano and visit some schools for your kids stay in Allen. If you're coming for medical reasons and want to stay in a relaxed home environment where the private backyard and a pool please stay in Frisco, if you're traveling for business, coming to a corporate office in Plano and want to bring the family to relax in a nice neighborhood, stay in another city. These are 99.9% of my guests. Should I tell them that we Consider them transient in Plano. Is this the message of excellence that we want to deliver? Look at surrounding cities around us right? They have a registration process. That's fair. It's not heavy handed, and it does not have excessive regulations and suspensions that discriminatory that discriminates against a group of residents. Specifically on one of those topics in the registration process. One area of concern is noise complaints. For example, it is proposed that a single noise complaint could lead to a three month suspension. While I understand the importance of addressing noise disturbances, I believe it's crucial to have a fair and balanced process that does not under unduly punish STR owners. I suggest implemented reasonable registration rules in the area. Fines and penalties should be fair, and we should not be weaponizing neighbors. Against other neighbors by having an undue registration, having an undue process that you're putting forth here. Thank you. Thank you. J Goodwin. Jane left. OK? So our last three are Matt Bingham, Cory Reiner and will Tarrant. I have lived in Plano more than longer than most people in this room. Not everyone has a horror story. In fact, there's for maybe a few dozen people out of 300,000 people in Plano that have a horror story. I've never seen any prostitutes. I've never seen any drunken teenage parties in Plato. These are Very few occurrences in Plano. They they're not a huge problem. Please don't let these eggs exaggerations, straw man arguments, lies and manipulations. Fear mongering. Dictate legislation in Plano. The data shows that live in management STRS are not a safety concern. Um Only five calls. In fact. Were called to the police. One of those was me calling to get some of the was not was trespassing out of my property. So this person I couldn't have done that if I was Renting to the long term and they could have posed a threat to me and my neighbors. But because of evidence I was able to get them out on trespassing. I rent two rooms in my house. Yes. SDRs bring money in, but they don't always bring profits in many of us live in poor neighborhoods. We can't afford to raise our rates or people won't book with us. We'll be put out on the streets. We lose our homes and I'll be roaming the streets of Plano and not sleeping in a bed. If you increase our costs, there must be an exemption for those in poorer neighborhoods. Thank you. Thank you. Will took off as well. Yeah. So I'm last Good evening again. My name is Corey Reinecker. Chris and I have rented a spare bedroom in our home for going on seven years now on behalf of myself and the plan on short term rental alliance. We oppose the registration ordinance before you. We support fair and balanced regulations that apply equally to all Plano residents, protect the quality of life of our neighbors and provide the city with the tools needed to remedy nuisances last year after briefing from outside counsel, you all directed staff to follow the Arlington model to gather data collect public. Input and produce recommendations. Despite his best intentions, the task force failed in its purpose to objectively follow the facts and produce a report based on data and evidence. I will pass the task force reports and examine the underlying data. You will find that there are very few STRS in Plano that the vast majority are run without complaints, and that most complaints are generated from a few problem properties note that even among the problem properties the, UH, staff does not distinguish between calls for nuisance issues and those that Not for nascent issues as attested by chief drain at the September 13th Task Force meeting, Chief Train went on to state that the high profile crimes that have drawn so much attention are not unique to STRS and that STRS are not causing higher rates of such incidents. On March 25th. You were emphatic that our views as str owners are being heard. I urge you to follow the Arlington model. And to direct staff to engage with our stakeholder group and address our concerns in a meaningful and substantive way. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So this, uh This is a consideration of an ordinance and it's not an It's not a public hearing, is it? No. OK, I'm glad I'm back. Nights just started. So, um The proposal. From Curtis May. If I may, I've got a couple of, uh uh, small changes, based upon comments that were made earlier that if I may have a moment, go ahead. First of all. First of all, one of the Discussions we had earlier was under the registration. Uh, required section 6-7 35. What we're looking at is somebody who purchases a STR from somebody else. We had a 90 day limit where they didn't have to register. Uh There was discussion of reducing that down to 30 days. Uh so I make that that, uh, that proposal The second one. Uh when we talk about section 6-7 42 the noise and video monitoring section One of the R. One of the, uh, discussion items was the fact that where the city would request that information from operators, Uh, we wouldn't do it without legal process, So we ask you to strike the language and made available to the city upon request. And then finally, uh, based on council member Ricca Deli's Suggestion and I'm just gonna read it. Read you this, uh, this amendment. So uh, 6-7 45 G is now going to Uh, read as nuisance incident or serious incident reported by owner In a determination or proceeding to deny, suspend or revoke a short term rental registration based on a nuisance in incident or serious incident. Uh, comma. New language will say in order to encourage voluntary and prompt reporting of criminal conduct. Uh, the director may disregard such an incident at the following criteria is met. One an owner, operator manager of the STR reported such incident immediately to law enforcement and or code enforcement agencies responsible for investigating such incidents. And to the reporting person in STR owner were fully cooperated in the investigation of such incident by law enforcement and code enforcement. Uh uh, semicolon and in the new language will say the reporting person was not criminally responsible for the conduct reported and was not reckless in the rental of the SDR. And that concludes the amendment. Uh, In addition to the UM amendments director Howard just noted, Um I on further consideration. I'd like to amend to require that an operator or designated contact, be able to be on site within an hour. Uh, if required, and here, I'm thinking more of less of police response and of, uh, busted water lines. You when you said if required. Do we need to clarify that a little bit more? Um Maybe if required by city staff. Whoever whoever is whoever from the city is responding. A call for service or request or an issue that's reported. Presumably there would be reporting be unreasonable to ask. Somebody to always be on site within an Not on site have a designated contact, able to be on site within an hour. If required. That's what Arlington does. Arlington has language specifying that somebody that's what we had prior to the recent amendment, but if required is very vague. Yeah. What would that What would that mean, if required. So based on that request. Uh, I could modify this . So it says Designated contact. Uh, designated contact. She'll meet the following criteria number one accessible by telephone. Semi colon number two able to respond to resolve the report or request with one hour Of being contacted, if required. See Or within reasonable time considering or let me see. Hold on. Moving along here. But to me , they just need to be. They need to have somebody who can resolve the issue. So if it's a water line Right. It doesn't have to be them or their designated contact. It has to be somebody who can resolve the issue. You just can't have water. Running for days right so saying that they have to be the contact has to be able to be there in an hour. I think it's more that we have somebody who can resolve the concern. Yes. What, What I'm concerned about then then make the language to the effect that someone able to resolve the concern able to be on site within an hour. I mean, you raise a good point. I mean, somebody who's able to actually resolve the case you could. You could call a repairman or something. But even then, you know, Right? That's it's more to me. It's more. It's more reasonable about you have to have somebody who is a actively addressing the concern within a reasonable time versus saying a certain person has to be on site. Cause you can be on site and not well, that's where that's where I wouldn't be very helpful if I was on site. In terms of water. What I'm getting at the resolution. Whatever the issue is, and it could come in a variety of forms. Um if resolution requires somebody to actually get on site personally, I don't care whether that's the owner and operator, a plumber, a librarian who knows there could be AAA bib emergency. Um but I. I think it's important that we spell out that the somebody be able to actually respond to I. I think I think I have a resolution to this. All right, so basically it'll, it'll say, able to respond to resolve the report or request within one hour of being contacted. Comma arrive on site if required comma or within a reasonable time considering the circumstances. That addresses the hole that I saw. I have 1.6 points. 741 owner self inspections and reporting Uh, In that language, we said it's uh, suggest the submittal on an annual basis as required or requested by the director. Um I'm a little nervous about self inspections. These days. Anybody's flying in an airplane so Um, I'm thinking it should be a man in an annual submission. As soon as they register every year. You have to submit a long Uh, with any paperwork, any other paperwork this self inspection I. I think it just has to be manually done every year and if they don't spend it in a timely fashion. That's an opportunity to go back and revisit the registration process with that individual. Because again, um We've seen how self inspect how people have abused self inspections. So that's what I'm getting at. So it's it would be an annual self inspection has to be turned in. OK, so Curtis is that that might take some additional drafting on this, because if we do that, we're probably gonna have to include that in a different area. Uh and make sure that it all conforms. So. Can can that be part of the renewal process it it just that just one more. Um Item that has to be submitted. With the with the renewal. Um, let me see. I'll bet you I can. I could find the right spot here. So. Probably. Add an additional paragraph to 6-737. Explanation. Expiration of registration. And renewals. And require. A renewal application. Must And must include. The prior year prior Annual Self inspection report. Thank you. I think that would that. Would that covers it now as this STR process matures within the city of Plano. I suspect With the Pending court cases going on throughout Texas and the federal Um Process. That we'll have to revisit these ordinances down the line, so This affords opportunity for future changes as laws change, so that is something we have to be always cognizant of. But that's the last OK? Anthony Go ahead. Thank you, Mayor. So just a couple of questions about, uh, section 6-7 39 about the insurance requirement. Uh, Council member Homer asked earlier about the, uh, cost of Uh, monitoring equipment that we're requiring, Um do we have any idea what the million dollars of liability insurance will cost per year? One of the things that we're looking at, and that we've been, uh, informed by the short term rental operators is the fact that if you, uh, if you advertise on some of these platforms, they provide an insurance benefit to you of up to a million dollars. Oh fantastic. So uh, we have. Certainly we're looking at at the language on that, but that that is something that we've been discussing with in the short term operators. Whether or not that would, uh Meet that requirement. I see. So, so that's something that that's probably already included, Uh, listing on those common platforms. That's correct. OK, Got you. Well, thank you for that response, sir. I'll make a motion to approve the ordinance with the, um Changes and updates that we've just made. Second. Did you second it, Rick? So we have motion. Hold on. Just a sec. Julie I'll get to you. We have a motion, uh by Mayor Pro TEM The second by Council member Horn. Julie. Um As Mrs Patella said. Every business has a cost, and I don't think it's fair for us to be charging the same registration fees to owner occupied rentals that are renting out one room for as little as $28 a night as we are to people who are causing the issues with having weddings, parties and things like that, not to mention a higher registration for those problem houses might Help dissuade them from You know I from what I understand One of the problem house is the owner actually. Chose the home and purchased it from out of state specifically because it was in a neighborhood with no HO A and they could rent it out as a venue, so I don't think it's fair at all to treat that the same as someone who's running out a bedroom. I've spoken to a single mother who that helps her pay her mortgage. I realize that we're we're having to kind of eliminate the owner occupied manager occupied because of, you know, pending litigation and not wanting to step in anything there, but I feel strongly that we need to be treating them differently. Um I don't think we should be charging the same registration fees or renewal fees. I don't think we should be requiring the same, uh, insurance. Um And let's see. But I had another comment. Um. So that that's something that I mean, I would. I would really like to figure out a way to either eliminate Or Uh, for the grandfathered properties or like I said before , I, I believe as owner, uh, as a housing becomes less affordable and more of a challenge. I mean, I would like us to possibly be able to open the door. Down the road to owner occupied rentals, and I just Sorry, Anthony. I know you wanna say something. Go ahead. No no, I. I wasn't trying to cut you off. Council member Homer I. I honestly I was just going to, uh uh, respond to what you were saying. And say that I, I think you're raising a valid point. Uh you know Mr Bingham's comments for example, Um you know, we who we have people, perhaps who are not causing issues and Who are not, uh Not reaping the same revenue as some of these really problematic operators who are essentially operating event venues and party houses and hotels and single family neighborhoods. You know, you might have somebody like you said, who's just, you know, renting out a bedroom in their house to try to make ends meet, Uh, which does seem to be a different, uh, thing. II. I still think, uh, From a zoning perspective, we need to regulate it the same just because I as I said on that item Uh, I don't think there's any way to enforce . You know who's living there? Who's not I? I just don't think we have the capability of doing that. Before. Um For the purposes of the registration fee. I think you raise a fair point. Um you know for those that are grandfathered in, you know, to try Try to try to help people. You know, maybe it could be based on the value of the house. Uh And the, uh, you know, the room. Or or maybe really, just, you know if they're renting out one room or or two rooms, something like that with what y'all are talking about, so we would need to talk about that in private, but They can get up to a $200 waiver if they do training and don't have any nuisance incidents, and also if you rent just a little bit longer. Three or more days. You don't have all these issues so well, I think that's a good point. I. I certainly don't want to get into any, uh, any legal issues that would jeopardize the important regulatory scheme that we're looking at here in this registration ordinance, But I also think that this is an opportunity though to discourage people from Having problem you know absentee landlords that there's a significant cost. Um can measure it with what they're bringing in and I just I just don't agree with us treating them the same $300 for someone who's running out of room for 30 bucks a night is the same. I don't know what they're charging for. These These venues, But I, I just think, I. I just wanna be sensitive to that. Both. On looking out for the expense to the owner occupied and to your point on. How do you differentiate? I mean, for one thing that there's a homestead exemption, they mailing address is the same as the home address. I mean, there are some things that we can look at to, you know. Bet them out for that. So and Councilwoman, one of the things that that we might suggest is look, we know that this is the first year There's going to be, um, some things that we learn over the this first year. It might also give us the opportunity to study a little bit further of maybe what a tiered rate structure might look like. Um, over that time. Um so, I. I think we would feel comfortable in continuing to study this and looking this and possibly bringing back next year . A review of that, Um, and look at at what might be able to be done from a tiered structure. I don't know that starting off that way. Um I don't know that we're prepared to do that. At this point. I think it would take some time to be able to look at those options. Uh, But if council was council was, uh, interested in looking at this over the course of a year, So we have a better tracking of what those actual costs are What, Uh, a broader survey looks like and the ability to study this a little bit further. I would have no issue with bringing this back at a year for a further discussion and possible adjustment for uh, some of those fees. Yeah. Time frame that it And this may not be That I was thinking. Rental operators. No. You're creating a bigger risk their insurance. Right? That may. Well. Uh, Mayor and Council Since since this is going into effect in August, I don't wanna I don't wanna get too short. Um but after the first of the year would that suffice as far as the shorter time frame to be able to bring back? Certainly I mean to me $300 to someone who's running a room out for $30 a night. It's very significant. I mean, Even just if it's the first time. I mean, I guess you get the discount. First time if you do the training and that or is that only in the registration renewal So the first time uh so we reduce it down to $200. And if you don't have any incident serious or nuisance incidents within the prior 12 months, it, uh reduces down an additional $100. So uh, you get to a point where you're paying $100 for I still have an issue with charging the same amount to that person as someone who's running their entire house out. You know it and that aren't that I just I . I don't think we should treat them the same I. I feel like it's I mean, both on both sides. I think we should be charging more to one side and charging less or nothing. If it's someone that's never had an incident never had an issue. I? That's just something I feel strongly about II. I am happy to hear. I thought that there was still something in here that was requiring the additional insurance. So for accepting the Airbnb insurance that makes me happy to hear that for the smaller, you know, but again, if it's a higher liability, it's not just one room owner occupied then. Um, but I feel strongly about that. And I'll tell you on council member Homer's point, I. I do think that and it sounds like this is probably not something we can do tonight. But as we look at this as city manager Israelson alluded to I, I think it it it would make sense, especially on that insurance piece to calibrate the amount of insurance to the risk that the str operator is posing. And you know, like other things we've done with this ordinance. Have a carrot and a stick approach, right. If you're on really good behavior, it could be lower. And if you've had some incidents, it Be higher, you know, to be commensurate to the risk that that operator is posing. All right. We have a motion to second, uh, to approve . Uh, the item number two all in favor. Raise your hand. Motion passes. Right? There be no further business. Comment. Oh, do we? I didn't know we were doing that. Huh? Oh, Okay? We have one speaker in Zoom. That's Brett Cooper. I'll bring him in. Go on. OK? I guess I will say first. I guess it helps to read the agenda because I didn't really short term rentals were on the agenda or I would not have signed up for tonight. Um so I actually have spoken to two council members already, but just wanted to bring a point up as you look at the budget and things for the next fiscal year, Um, in regards to the great update rebate program. Um and I have some concerns about how that is, perhaps less. Um Able to be accessed by folks as the housing market has gotten more and more out of control. Um so, for example, I'm in a house that's 48 years old and for 2023 . And now for 2024. I am not able to access this program to do updates to my home. Um so I had a couple of things. Um right now we use the 85th percentile of the single family mortgage limit. Um that went up when I looked at last year to this year $30,000, but the value market value People's houses has gone up much more than that. Um so I again do not qualify this year. Um and so what I would suggest, or perhaps, uh, ask to look at is using the appraised value or the assessed value. Um, because my sense is we wanna actually target live in homeowners, for example, who have a homestead exemption are are folks who have the 65 and older exemption. Um, and if we had used assessed value I would qualify this year and would have qualified last year. Um So I think we just need to look at what we're using as the qualifications because I think we're gonna keep pricing more and more people out of homes, especially ones that are older who may need updates. And then second just looking at what the property improvements are so right now we require the improvements to be at least 10% of the home value, or $20,000, whichever is less. So now everybody has to spend $20,000 on projects so you may have people who are using adding things on solely to get to $20,000 and its full disclosure. We did that the last time we update, uh, access this rebate in 2020, because we were about $2000 short, Um, so I would just Also suggest looking at maybe doing a tiered approach, so that if somebody has a necessary home improvement, but it's only $10,000. Maybe they don't get the full amount, but they could get a partial rebate for that. And I think that also might allow more money to be allocated . Um so I'm just very frustrated at the lack of accessibility to this program is the housing market has gotten out of control, and so just really think this is also a point of pride. Um, and when I talked to our other council members when Googled. We were the only city in the Metroplex. I could find that has this program aside from Garland? Um, but their website had the limit at 268,000. So I don't think many people would qualify. Um so just wanted to bring that forward as something for counsel and staff to think about, um, as a unique program we have, but how do we need to rework it in This era of housing that we're currently in. Thank you. Thank you. So if Oh, yeah, no af af After you're going the same way place I was going well. Okay, if you so council member Homer, and I have actually been discussing the great update rebate and getting it on a, uh, council agenda in the near future. There are, uh, several items that, uh, that we'd like to look at. And I know, you know, Council member Homer has brought it up over the last couple of years. I know I've been bringing up some things like owner occupied rather than house flippers and stuff like that, since, uh, I think since 2022 so anyway, we I is that where you're going, we We'd love to put it on a future agenda. So thank you. Yeah, thank you. There. No further business. We're adjourned.