WELCOME. I WILL CALL THIS BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER. IT'S MONDAY, NOVEMBER 27TH, 2023. THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THANKS TO EVERYBODY WATCHING THIS EVENING ONLINE. WE WILL START OUR MEETING AS WE ALWAYS DO IF YOU'RE ABLE PLEASE STAND AND JOIN IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ONCE AGAIN. WELCOME TO EVERYONE. HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A GOOD LONG HOLIDAY WEEKEND. COUNCILOR FIRST ITEM THIS EVENING IS TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA AND ON OUR AGENDA UNDER INTRODUCTORY ITEMS WE HAVE ACTUALLY SIX ITEMS UNDER THE INTRODUCTORY ITEMS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A COUNCILMEMBER TAKING THE OATH OF OFFICE. WE'VE GOT A PROCLAMATION FOR BLOOMINGTON SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA. LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. WE'VE GOT APPOINTMENTS THEN TO OUR HRA BOARD, OUR PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE MERIT BOARD AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN UPDATE ON OUR FEDERAL LOBBYING EFFORTS UNDER ITEM THREE OUR CONSENT BUSINESS COUNCIL MEMBER LOWMAN HAS THE CONSENT ITEM ITEMS THIS EVENING AND WE HAVE 11 OF THOSE TONIGHT HEARINGS, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES. WE'VE GOT SEVEN ITEMS THERE AND WE KIND OF GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS. THE FIRST IS A RESOLUTION REGARDING APPROVAL TO THE ISSUANCE OF REVENUE BONDS. THE SECOND IS ALSO A RESOLUTION REGARDING OUR PROPOSED CHANGES TO FEES AND CHARGES SCHEDULED. THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT. WE'LL HAVE THEN TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ONE ON AN ORDINANCE TO INCREASE OUR WASTE WATER AND WATER RATES. ITEM 4.4 IS AN ORDINANCE TO INCREASE OUR SOLID WASTE AND REFUSE COLLECTION FEES. BACK TO RESOLUTIONS RIGHT AND FIVE TO CHARGE A DO TO CHANGE OUR STORMWATER CHARGES. AND A RESOLUTION AND IN 4.6 APPROVING THE 2024 UTILITY FUND BUDGETS AND THEN BACK TO A PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN THIS BEIN THE HUMAN RIGHT COMMISSION ORDINANCE. OUR FINAL ITEMS OF THE EVENING ARE UNDER OUR ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS AND IN 5.1 IS REGARDING OUR VISTA BUSINESS ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS. AND ITEM 5.2 IS REGARDING OUR SIGNED ORDINANCE STUDY DISCUSSION. THAT'S THE SECOND TIME WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING THAT ON AND WILL WRAP UP AS WE TYPICALLY DO WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATES COUNCIL ANY CORRECTIONS UPDATES OR ADDITIONS TO OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING? IF NOT I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF TONIGHT'S AGENDA. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL TSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I AM OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. AND WITH THAT IT'S MY OPPORTUNITY TO MENTION THAT COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO WAS NOT WITH US THIS EVENING. SHE IS ACTUALLY ON VACATION SO GOOD FOR HER. I'M HOPE SHE'S ENJOYING SOMEPLACE WARMER THAN IT IS HERE IN BLOOMINGTON RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN AGENDA SO NOW OUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM IS ITEM 2.1 WHICH IS THE OATH OF OFFICE FOR COUNCILMEMBER MOUA, OUR CITY CLERK CHRISTINA SCIPIONE IS GOING TO BE ADMINISTERING THE OATH OF OFFICE. BUT FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU COULD ON THIS SCIPIONE COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHY COUNCILMEMBER IS BEING SWORN IN TONIGHT AS OPPOSED TO JANUARY 2ND? CERTAINLY HELLO MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL AND SO COUNCILMEMBER IS BEING SWORN IN THIS EVENING BECAUSE WE HAD A VACANCY AND OUR COUNCIL OFFICE FOR HIS AT-LARGE SEAT EARLIER THIS YEAR DUE TO THE ELECTION OF NATHAN COULTER TO THE STATE'S LEGISLATURE. AND SO THE COUNCIL MADE AN APPOINTMENT WHICH WAS SOMEWHAT UNTIL THE SUCCESSOR WAS ELECTED AT A REGULARLY SCHEDULED CITY ELECTION AND SO WE HAD THAT ELECTION EARLIER THIS MONTH AND THE RESULTS ARE NOW OFFICIAL FOUR THAT THEY WERE CANVASED THE RECOUNT PERIOD HAS PASSED AND SO NOW SAMUEL'S NEW TERM IN OFFICE IS EFFECTIVE TODAY AND SO WE'RE DOING OUR SWEARING IN TODAY AND THE OATH OF OFFICE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE ELECTED AND OUR NEWLY INCOMING COUNCIL MEMBER WILL BE AT THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY WHEN THOSE TERMS BEGIN. THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. I THINK PEOPLE WOULD JUST WONDER WHY WE'RE SWEARING IN COUNCILMEMBER AND NONE OF THE OTHER OFFICIAL SWEARING INS. SO I APPRECIATE THAT EXPLANION. COUNCILMEMBER WHY DID YOU TAKE YOURSELF TAKE YOURSELF CENTER STAGE AND LET'S DO THIS. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF FAMILY HERE AND THIS IS A BIG AND SPECIAL NIGHT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU DO NOT BE SHY. THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND IT'S A SPECIAL TIME. SO IF YOU NEED TO GET UP AND GET YOURSELF IN A GOOD POSITION TO TAKE A PICTURE GET IN A GOOD POSITION TO TAKE A PICTURE I I RIGHT. PLEASE RSE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND REPEAT AFTER ME I SAW WHAT DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR I SAW YOU I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES THAT I WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF COUNCIL MEMBER AT LARGE OF THE OFFICE OF COUNCIL MEMBER AT LARGE OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON IN THE COUNTY OF HENNEPIN THE COUNTY OF HENNEPIN AND STATE OF MINNESOTA AND STATE OF MINNESOTA TO THE BEST OF MY JUDGMENT AND ABILITY TO THE BEST OF MY JUDGMENT AND ABILITY. CONGRATULATIONS. WILL NOW HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER MUST SIGN HIS OFFICIAL OATH PLEASE TO PRESENT YOU WITH YOUR CERTIFICATE OF ELECTION. CONGRATULATIONS OR CONGRATULATIONS COUNCILMEMBER. VERY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU SWORN IN OFFICIALLY I THINK I MENTIONED LAST AT OUR LAST MEETING THESE PAST FEW MONTHS IT'S LIKE YOUR REDSHIRT YEAR. IT'S LIKE YOU'RE A REDSHIRT YEAR AND NOW YOU'RE YOU'RE FULLY ON BOARD AND LOOKING FORWARD TO ALL THE GOOD THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ACCOMPLISHING OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. SO I TO SAY ANYTHING THANK YOU MAYOR. I MEAN FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO THANK MY FAMILY FOR BEING HERE. THANK MY MY WIFE SHAWNA FOR PUTTING UP WITH EVERYTHING OVER THE LAST YEAR. SHE'S REALLY BEEN OUR ROCK AT HOME SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT HERE AND THEN ALSO SEE MY KIDS HERE AND HOW EXCITED THEY ARE ABOUT CITY COUNCIL. I THINK THEY BRING THE VIEWERSHIP OF OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS DOWN PROBABLY ABOUT 50 YEARS SO BUT THAT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE HOW THAT'S ENGAGING THEM AND BRINGING MORE LIGHT AND TO WHAT WE DO HERE IN CITY COUNCIL. SO LOOKINGORWARD TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS HERE AND SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS OUR PROCLAMATION FOR THE BLOOMINGTON SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA DAY. I'M GOING TO HEAD DOWN TO THE U. I'M TELLING YOU READ I'VE GOT HAVE I YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LEAVE OUR PROCLAMATION THIS EVENING IS REGARDING BLOOMINGTON SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA DAY AND IT'S RECOGNIZING THE 60TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE BLOOMINGTON SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA. I KNOW WE HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES COME ON UP. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS HAVE YOU UP HERE WITH ME AS I READ THE PROCLAMATION AND WE'LL TURN THE MICROPHONE OVER TO YOU AND THEN OF COURSE WE GOT TO DO THE GRIP AND GRIN AND GET THE CAMERA OUT AND TAKE OUR PICTURES AS WELL. SO GOOD EVENING. WELCOME. THANKS FOR BEING HEREHIS EVENING. PROCLAMATION THIS EVENING FOR BLOOMINGTON SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA DAY NOVEMBER 27TH, 2023. WHEREAS IT IS WITH GREAT PLEASURE AND PROFOUND HONOR THAT I EXTEND HEARTFELT CONGRATULATIONS TO THE 75 MEMBER BLOOMINGTON SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA AND THEIR MUSIC DIRECTOR MANNY LIRIANO ON THE MOMENTOUS OCCASION OF THE 60TH ANNIVERSARY. AND. WHEREAS, FOR SIX DECADES THE BLOOMINGTON SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA HAS BROUGHT MUSIC LOVERS AND ACCOMPLISHED MUSICIANS TOGETHER TO EXPERIENCE INSPIRATIONAL PERFORMANCES ORCHESTRAL MUSICITH COMMUNITY AS THE CORNERSTONE. AND. WHEREAS, THE TALENTED MUSICIANS OF THE BSO WHO ARE GUIDED BY THE VALUES OF EXCELLENCE, COLLABORATION AND DEDICATION HAVE COME TO THE CITY, HAVE COME TO THE CITY TO REHEARSE EVERY WEEK FOR THE PAST 60 YEARS. AND. WHEREAS THROUGH COUNTLESS PERFORMANCES EDUCATIONAL INITIATIVES AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENTS TOUCHING THE LIVES OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF AUDIENCE MEMBERS THE BLOOMINGTON SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THE CITY'S MISSION OF CULTIVATING AN ENDURING AND REMARKABLE COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE AND. WHEREAS, THE ORCHESTRA'S UNWAVERING DEDICATION TO THE PURSUIT OF MUSICAL EXCELLENCE HAS NOT ONLY ENTERTAINED BUT ALSO INSPIRED GENERATIONS OF RESIDENTS TO APPRECIATE THE BEAUTY AND THE POWER OF MUSIC AND PROVEN ITS COMMITMENT TO THE CULTURAL AND ARTISTIC GROWTH IN BLOOMINGTON. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT I TIM BARRESI, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 27TH AS BLOOMINGTON SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA DAY IN CELEBRATION OF THEIR 60TH ANNIVERSARY I URGE ALL RESIDENTS TO JOIN ME IN RECOGNIZING AND APPLAUDING THE OUTSTANDING ACHIEVEMENTS OF THE BLOOMINGTON SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA AND EXPRESS OUR DEEPEST GRATITUDE FOR THEIR ENDURING CONTRIBUTION TO THE CULTURAL VITALITY OF OUR CITY . STATED THIS 27TH DAY OF NOVEMBER 2023 CONGRATULATIONS. I MEAN 60 YEARS IS AN IMPRESSIVE RUN OF ANY COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION ANYWHERE FOR ANY REASON BUT FOR A SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA THAT IS SO UNIQUE TO A COMMUNITY OF 90,000 PEOPLE IT IS ABSOLUTELY UNIQUE. SO CONGRATULATIONS AND I HOPE YOU OFFER AND EXTEND OUR CONGRATULATIONS TO THE REST OF THE ORCHESTRA AS WELL. AND I'M JUSTO PROUD AND SO VERY HAPPY AND AS I PROMISED I WILL BE HAPPY TO TURN THE MICROPHONE OVER. PLEASE. PLEASE. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PROCLAMATION ON BEHALF OF THE MUSICIANS, THE BOARD AND QUITE FRANKLY THE AUDIENCES THAT HAVE COME TO MY TALK TO OUR CONCERTS WHETHER THEY'VE BEEN AT THE NORMAN DALE BANDSHELL OR AT THE SCHNEIDER THEATER OR THE MASONIC HERITAGE CENTER OR ORCHESTRA HALL WE HAVE BEEN VERY PROUD TO PRESENT CONCERTS WITH THE NAME BLOOMINGTON ATTACHED TO THEM AND WE HOPE THAT THIS CONTINUES ON FOR A GOOD LONG TIME. WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE A REALLY OFFICIAL WHO WANTS TO GRAB THE OFFICIAL PICTURE WHEN WE STEP OVER HERE WE SHOULD CLEAR THE PODIUM AND DO THE PROCLAMATION . CONGRATULATIONS ON OPENING. CONGRATULATIONS GRADUATIONS. THANKS VERY MUCH . LET'S GO FOR OUR NEXT UP OUR ITEMS 2.3, FOUR AND FIVE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING APPOINTMENTS FOR 2.3 IS FOR OUR HRA BOARD AND 2.4 IS FOR OUR PLANNING COMMISSION AND 2.5 IS FOR THE MERIT BOARD AND COUNCIL THE HRA BOARD APPOINTMENT IS A BIT OF A UNIQUE ONE BECAUSE OFFICIALLY ACCORDING TO OUR OUR CITY CHARTER IT IS A IT IS A MAYOR IS APPOINTMENT AND NOW WE WENT THROUGH THE INTERVIEW PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE WOULD DO OTHERWISE. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE THE LANGUAGE OF THE CHARTER THAT IT IS AN APPOINTMENT AND IT ISN'T A VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. AND SO AFTER THE THE WORK THAT WE DID AND THE LOOK THAT WE HAD I'M GOING TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION COUNCIL THAT WE APPOINT SAMARIA YOU SEE TO THE TERM FROM JANUARY FIRST I'M SORRY CORRECT ME JAMIE SAMIR THANK YOU SAMARIA ESI TWO A TERM FROM JANUARY 1ST 2124 TO DECEMBER 31ST 2028 TO REACH OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS. SECONDLY WE HAVE A MOTION AND THE SECOND TO MAKE THE APPOINTMENT AS STATED NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. NEXT UP ARE PLANNING COMMISSION APPOINTMENT APPOINTMENTS AND WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION WE HAD I BELIEVE FOUR APPLICANTS AND I THINK THERE ARE THERE'S THERE WILL BE ONE APPOINTMENT MADE AND ONCE AGAIN IF YOU WITHIN YOUR PACKET WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE INTERVIEW PANEL THAT DID THAT DID DO THE INTERVIEWS I'M TRYING TO CATCH UP HERE WITH MY AND THEY ARE ON OUR INTERVIEW PANEL WE HAD I BELIEVE COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO AND AND THEN PAIGE ROHMAN, THE CHAIR OF OUR PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL. AND COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US A JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE DISCUSSION THAT THE PLANNING OR THAT YOUR INTERVIEW PANEL HAD AND THE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU'D BE MING FOR THE COUNCIL TODAY? YEAH ABSOLUTELY. I WAS REALLY HURT AND WE HAD SOME REALLY ENTHUSIASTIC EXPERIENCED FOLKS PUT THEIR NAMES FORWARD TO PARTICIPATE EIGHT ESPECIALLY OUR FINAL TWO AS THE PACKET RECOGNIZES MR. YOU SAY MR. CUNNINGHAM BOTH HAD SOME REALLY INTERESTING TAKES ON THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD AND THE EFFECT IT HAD ON WORK THEY'VE DONE PREVIOUSLY. I KNOW OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATION FOR ABDI SHAKER AS A BUSINESS OWNER IN THE COMMUNITY AND HAD THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW THE DECISIONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AFFECT THEIR DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS SO IN THE END WE DID RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARD WITH MR. ISAY BUT AGAIN I WAS I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY INCREDIBLE TO SEE SO MANY FOLKS WILLING TO TOSS THEIR HATS IN THE RING AND SPEND A LOT OF TIME TO MOVE THE COMMUNITY FORWARD. COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN WELL THIS UNLIKE THE HRA APPOINTMENT THIS IS ACTUALLY A VOTE THAT WE DO GO THROUGH HERE WE HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE INTERVIEW PANEL AND WE WILL BE TAKING A VOTE ON EVERYBODY GETS ONE VOTE FOR THE ONE OPENING THAT WE DO HAVE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL MEMBER AND LET'S SEE I WAS LOOKING AT MY LIST HERE. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO WAS SCHEDULED TO START OUR OUR VOTING HERE TODAY BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO START WITH OUR COUNCILMEMBER GETS OUR FIRST VOTE THIS EVENING AND WE'LL WORK OUR WAY RIGHT DOWN THE LINE. COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU MAYOR OLIVER FOR ABDI SCORE I SEE COUNCILMEMBER NELSON KEVIN CUNNINGHAM COUNCILMEMBER CARTER CUNNINGHAM COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN I'LL GO WITH ABDI HIS CAR IS COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN I WILL DO MR. SAY AS WELL AND I WILL CAST MY VOTE FOR A COUNCILMEMBER FOR MR. ISSA AS WELL WHICH IF MY MATH IS CORRECT, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE FOUR VOTES. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPOINT ON MR. SAY TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OPENING THAT WE HAVE I WOULD SAY MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER MERRITT AND SECOND MY COUNCILMEMBER TO APPOINT ABBE THIS CAR IS SEE I'M SURE I BUTCHERED THE NAME ONCE AGAIN AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. ABDI SHUKRAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THIS YOU CAN'T SEE TO OUR APPOINTMENT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND IF THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED A MOTION CARRIES FIVE ONE WITH COUNCILMEMBER NELSON IN OPPOSITION THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND NOW WE HAVE OUR FINAL APPOINTMENTS OF THE EVENING HOUR FOR OUR MERIT BOARD AND WE HAVE TWO OPENINGS AND ACTUALLY TWO ONE APPLICANT SEEKING REAPPOINTMENT. WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF WE HAVE TWO OPENINGS AND TWO APPLICANTS ONE OF THEM SEEKING REAPPOINTMENT. WE'VE GOT CASEY KANE AND JOHN LONG LOCKS AND APPLYING FOR OUR MERIT BOARD. WE CAN EITHER THROUGH GO THROUGH THE VOTE COUNCIL OR WE COULD WE CAN MAKE THE MOTION TO MAKE THE APPOINTMENT SO MOVE SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMEMBER LUO AND SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER NELSON OH EXCUSE ME. YES NELSON TO APPOINT CASEY KANE AND JOHN LOCKS TO OUR MERIT BOARD NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSE THE MOTION CARRIE SIX ZERO THANK YOU VERY MUCH OUR FINAL ITEM TONIGHT UNDER ITEM TWO OUR INTRODUCTORY ITEMS IS AN UPDATE ON OUR FEDERAL LOBBYING AND WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR FEDERAL LOBBYING CREW HERE THIS EVENING IN FROM DC BY WAY OF MARYLAND AND IN BLOOMINGTON, INDIANA FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. HI. I AM SO GLAD TO BE WITH YOU TODAY. I'M EMILY TRANTER WITH PRIVACY STRATEGY GROUP. WE ARE THE CITY'S FEDERAL TEAM IN WASHINGTON D.C. AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN DOING WORK WITH YOU REFER ABOUT FOR YEARS NOW BUT I THOUGH I'VE BEEN IN DC SINCE 2004 I DID GROW UP IN THE METRO AREA AND OUR FIRM IS BASED HERE IN THE METRO AREA SO WE HAVE A REALLY NICE KIND OF FEEL OF BACK AND FORTH AND HOME VERSUS D.C. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON YOUR FEDERAL PRIORITIES AS WE YOU KNOW, NOT THE FULL PICTURE BUT JUST A COUPLE OF PIECES THAT HAVE BEEN MOVING FORWARD AND KIND OF GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT. SO AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN CHAOTIC TIMES IN WASHINGTON, D.C. THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS RIGHT. WITH LOTS OF SPEAKER ELECTIONS AND ALMOST SHUTDOWNS AND NOT GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNS BUT FOR RIGHT NOW WE ARE HOLDING THE LINE HERE AND WE DO HAVE A FEDERAL BUDGET THAT GOES UNTIL JANUARY 19TH AND FEBARY 2 RESPECTIVELY. IT'S VERY CONFUSING. BUT IN ORDER TO AVOID A SHUTDOWN THAT THE MOST RECENT SHUTDOWN ON NOVEMBER 17TH CONGRESS DECIDED WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF MIKE JOHNSON SPEAKER THAT THEY WOULD DO A LADDERED APPROACH WHICH FUNCTIONALLY DOES NOTHING AT THE END OF THE DAY EXCEPT THAT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO TO DEBATE SOME OF THE BILLS EIGHT OF THE 12 THAT NEED TO BE PASSED IN FULL FOR US TO HAVE A FULL FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET WHICH WE ARE TECHNICALLY IN RIGHT NOW THEY TECHNICALLY GO FROM SEPTEMBER 30TH OR OCTOBER FIRST TO SEPTEMBER 30TH. IN MY TENURE MY 20 YEARS IN D.C., I HAVE NOT SEEN A BUDGET PASS ON TIME BUT WE'RE USUALLY IN A SCRAMBLING RIGHT. CAN I INTERRUPT FOR JUST A SECOND AND ASK YOU TO PULL THE MICROPHONE CLOSER? OH SURE. IF I COULD PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN HEAR YOU THROUGHOUT THE THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING AND THROUGHOUT ON CABLE CITY. IS THAT BETTER? THAT'S MUCH. OKAY GREAT. THANK YOU. SORRY. SO WE ARE UNDER A CONTINUING RESOLUTION RIGHT NOW WHICH USUALLY DURING RIGHT AROUND THE HOLIDAYS IS WHEN THERE'S A MAD SCRAMBLE TO HAVE A FULL BUDGET BUT THEY AVOIDED THAT BY EXTENDING IT TL NEXT YEA IN EARLY IN THE YEAR AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WITH ANY CERTAINTY THAT THERE WILL BE LESS ISSUES YOU KNOW, NEGOTIATING A FULL BUDGET COME JANUARY FEBRUARY BECAUSE WE'RE STILL IN THE SAME CONGRESS, STILL WITH THE SAME MAJORITY IN MINORITIES AND STILL WITH THE SAME PRESIDENT. HOWEVER, RIGHT NOW WE'RE SET UNTIL THEN AND WHAT WE DO IN DC IS REALLY JUST WATCH FOR YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES TO PLUG IN THE CITY'S PRIORITIES AND RAISE YOUR YOUR PROFILE WITHIN YOUR MEMBERSHIP YOU KNOW, YOUR FEDERAL DELEGATION WHICH Y ARE ALL, YOU KNO EXCEPTIONALLY WELL KNOWN AMONG OUR SENATORS AND YOUR CONGRESSMEN. BUT AS YOU KNOW, AS WE ALL KNOW, CONGRESS CHANGES AND NEW MEMBERS COME IN WHICH WE WILL BE LOOKING AT IN 2024. SO HAVING THAT THAT BLOOMINGTON PRESENCE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. IS REALLY, REALLY KEY TOWARDS TOWARDS YOUR GOAL. SO I WANTED TO JUST GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF YOU KNOW, UNDERNEATH THE CHAOS ALTHOUGH IT'S REALLY YOU KNOW, CAN SEEM LIKE WASHINGTON DOESN'T DO ANYTHING WHICH YOU KNOW, AS A FAIR ASSESSMENT SOMETIMES THERE ARE THINGS HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BEHIND THE SCENES IS THE WRONG WORDS BUT A STEADY FLOW OF MOTION FORWARD ON THINGS THAT MATTER TO MUNICIPALITIES. AND REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS THE PLAYING OUT OF THESE MAJOR FEDERAL POLICY INITIATIVES AND FUNDING INITIATIVES THAT WERE PASSED IN THE LAST THREE YEARS THAT ARE NOW LONG TERM BILLS LIKE AIG, THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT AND JOBS ACT THAT'S A FIVE YEAR BILL AND THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT IS A TEN YEAR BILL AND THERE ARE NEW PROVISIONS IN EACH OF THESE THAT YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE REALLY INTERESTING FOR MUNICIPALITIES. ONE EXAMPLE IS DIRECT PAY FOR OUT OF IRA FOR INVESTMENTS IN RENEWABLES THAT THAT FEDERAL FUNDING OR EXCUSE ME THE TAX BENEFIT CAN COME STRAIGHT BACK TO THE CITY. THAT HASN'T HAPPENED BEFORE THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THIS BILL BUT TWO OF THE PROJECTS THAT YOU AS A COUNSELOR LAST YEAR MOVED FORWARD AS SORT OF PRIORITY PROJECTS TO KEEP IN THE PROCESS THE EARMARKING PROCESS WHICH I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN A MOMENT THERE. THOSE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU JUST A SYNOPSIS OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE WITH AN EARMARK PROCESS AND THEN WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT. SO UNDER THIS CONTINUING RESOLUTION THAT WE ARE WE ARE OPERATING UNDER NOW IT'S THERE IS NO NEW FUNDING. IT'S ALL THE SAME LEVELS AND THERE'S NO NEW POLICY. HOWEVER, WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE EARMARK PROCESS OR CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING PROCESS SINCE LAST MARCH AND WE DID SUBMIT IN THAT PROCESS FEDERAL FUNDING FOR REQUESTS FOR THE FOR A NEW DRINKING WATER SUPPLY FOR THE CITY AND ALSO FOR THE SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTER. AND RIGHT NOW ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS MOVES FORWARD IN THIS YEAR'S PROCESS. SO IN THE HOUSE THE WELL PROJECT HAS ABOUT $979,000 AND IN THE SENATE THERE'S 1.01 MILLION AND IT'S WE ARE PUSHING FOR THE HIGHER AMOUNT TO BE IN THE FINAL BILL WHICH WILL BE FANTASTIC. THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER DID NOT MAKE IT IN THE FINAL BILL ALTHOUGH OUR SENATORS DID PUT THAT FORWARD AND SUPPORT IT VERY, VERY STRONGLY. SO ESSENTIALLY WHERE WE'RE AT IS WE ARE WAITING FOR A FULL BUDGET TO THAT WILL HAVE THESE MEMBER DIRECTED PROJECTS ARE CONGRESSIONALLY DIRECTED SPENDING THEY ARE ITEMS THAT YOUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS THE AND PHILLIPS AND THE SENATORS SAY HEY THAT PROJECT IS GOOD FOR MY DISTRICT TOO IT'S NOT A YOU KNOW IT'S NOT A DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY DECISION OR INTERIOR DECISION. IT IS A CONGRESSIONAL DECISION AND THAT IS A REALLY STRONG TOOL FOR OUR MEMBERS TO BRING BACK TO THEIR CITIES AND COUNTIES AND ONLY MUNICIPALITIES AND NONPROFITS ARE ARE EGIBLE FOR THIS PROCESS AND THEY ARE HUGE AMOUNTS. THESE ARE NOT THE $60 MILLION THAT THE CITY WAS A LEADER ON FOR INFRA GRANTS. THIS ISN'T YOU KNOW $100 MILLION FOR A BIG BRIDGE. THESE ARE 1.2 TO 5. BIGGEST ONE IS AROUND 7 MILLION KIND OF IN THE WORLD OF EARMARKS. AND SO WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT IS BECAUSE WE ARE UNDER THIS CONTINUING ROLUTION WE STILL HAVE TO NEGOTIATE A FULL BUDGET WHICH WILL INCLUDE OR WOULD INCLUDE THESE PROJECTS. AND THERE WAS SOME FEAR OR CONCERN THAT THE EARMARKS WOULD JUST BE SLASH AT THE END FOR US TO GET A FULL BUDGET AND IS CERTAINLY NOT, YOU KNOW IMPOSSIBLE. I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT EARMARKS WILL STAY IN THIS THIS BUDGET ONCE WE GET A FULL FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET DONE. HOWEVER, THEY ARE NOT IN ANYONE'S CROSSHAIRS. THEY ARE BECOMING INCREASINGLY POPULAR ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE AND BOTH CHAMBERS. SO WE FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE WELL PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE FINAL BILL AND WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF AND YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S NEXT WHICH IS RIGHT WHEN WE PASS THE FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET PROCESS BECAUSE THAT MOVES ALL THE WAY BACK. YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN IT'S SUPPOSED TO PASS IN SEPTEMBER. IT WORKS BACKWARDS TILL ABOUT MARCH WHERE WE HAVE TO START THIS PROCESS. SO OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS WE'LL BE WORKING TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT VIABLE, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS THAT THAT THE COUNCIL MAYOR AND COUNCIL SUPPORTS THAT WE PUT FORWARD IN THIS PROCESS. BUT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT INFRASTRUCTURE AJ AND IRA FUNDING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY PLACES THERE THAT CAN BE USED FOR THESE PRIORITY PROCTS OR OPPORTUNISTIC PLAYS BASICALLY. OKAY, THIS JUST POPPED UP. THIS WOULD BE GREAT FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. LET'S CONNECT ON IT AND AND REALLY DIG IN AND ADVOCATE AND AND AND SUPPORT IT OUT OF WASHINGTON D.C. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. IT'S IT'S INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED EVEN YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS AND MOST PEOPLE THAT I WORK WITH HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN WASHINGTON, D.C. IT'S REALLY KIND OF BIZARRE AND UNPRECEDENTED AS THEY SAY. HOWEVER, AS I SAID, THERE ARE THINGS HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES AND WE CONTINUE TO PUSH FORWARD AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, BLOOMINGTON IS FRONT AND CENTER AS AS THERE'S FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT COME DOWN THE PIKE. AND AS YOU KNOW, A MAJOR POLICY DECISIONS ARE MADE THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ONLY BEING PROACTIVE ABOUT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES BUT PLAYING DEFENSE ON THINGS, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH YOUR COUNTERPARTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN MUNICIPAL IS YOUR SIZE LARGER AND SMALLER? SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH YOU TONIGHT ALTHOUGH IT IS WAY COLDER HERE THAN IT IS IN D.C. BUT I DON'T MIND THAT MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. RANG QUESTIONS CNCIL I'M JUST GOING TO TURN TO MR. VERBRUGGE VERY QUICKLY HERE AND IF YOU COULD GIVE A QUICK DESCRIPTION OR SYNOPSIS OF THE WELL PROJECT THAT MR. ED WAS TALKING ABOUT MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS ACTUALLY I SEE THAT SCOTT ANDERSONS ARE UTILITIES SUPERINTENDENT. HE'S BEEN WORKING HARD ON THIS PROJECT SO I'M GOING TO INVITE MR. ANDERSON UP TO TALK ABOUT IT REAL QUICKLY. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. THANK YOU MAYOR MEMBERS I'M NOT EXPECTING THIS NIGHT BUT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME SO I'M PRETTY IN TUNE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE HAVE AS YOU AS YOU LIKELY KNOW THE CITY HAS A DUAL WATER SUPPLY FOR OUR FOR OUR CUSTOMERS AND RESIDENTS. WE PURCHASE SURFACE WATER FROM THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS AND THEN WE LIME SOFTEN AND TREAT GROUNDWATER FROM SIX EXISTING DEEP WELLS HERE IN BLOOMINGTON A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. ONE OF THOSE WELLS BEGAN AND ULTIMATELY REACHED ITS END OF LIFE AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON PLANS TO ABANDON THAT WELL AND THEN DEVELOP A NEW WELLS SO THAT WE WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN KIND OF THE FIRM CAPACITY OR THE MINIMUM CAPACITY OF OUR TREATMENT PLANT, MAINTAIN THE RESILIENCY OF THAT DUAL SOURCE SYSTEM AND MAINTAIN OUR WATER QUALITY SO WE WE THROUGH THAT PROCESS COMPLETED A FEASIBILITY STUDY, A SITING ANALYSIS AND THEN PUT TOGETHER A BUDGET AS MR. CANTOR POINTED OUT, A COUPLE OF OF STARS ALIGNED AND WE SAW AN OPPORTUNITY SO WE PUT SOME THINGS TOGETHER AND AND D.C. AND MADE OUR OUR PITCH FOR FOR THAT PROJECT AS WELL AS THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER PROJECT AND WE MADE SOME MADE SOME HEADWAY THERE, YOU KNOW, SO FAR. AND SO HOPEFULLY IF THINGS CONTINUE AS IS EMILY MENTIONED WE'LL WE'LL SEE SOME WE'LL ACTUALLY SEE THAT COMING THROUGH HOPEFULLY IN 2024 WE PLANS AND SPECS ARE UNDERWAY CURRENTLY AND WE'RE LOOKING TO TO BUILD THAT PROJECT EARLY IN 2024 SO WILL BE MOVING AND HOPEFULLY HAVE THE FUNDING TO HELP US OUT. THANK YOU FOR THAT AND JUST FOR EVERYONE'S INFORMATION WHERE WOULD IT BE LOCATED? IT WILL BE LOCATED AT TANNEHILL PARK SOUTH KIND OF SOUTH EDGERTON HILL PARK JUST NORTH OF 98TH STREET AND GOOD THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. ANY QUESTIONS AND A QUICK UPDATE. COUNCILMEMBER LOGAN NO, I'M SORRY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF MS.. TRANTER COUNCILMEMBER LOGAN THANK YOU. I CAN'T LET YOU COME ALL THE WAY HERE. I'D ASK ONE QUESTION AND I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT QUICK BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE GOT A BUSY AGENDA THERE SO I KNOW WE'VE GOT A FAIR AMOUNT AND YOU MENTIONED THE EARMARK PROCESS HAS GOT ITS LIMITATIONS BUT THOSE OTHER TWO BILLS THAT YOU MENTIONED SO I'M NOT A FEDERAL PERSON I'M NOT GOING TO EVEN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO NOTE THOSE. BUT I'M JUST WONDERING TERMS OF , YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU SEE IN OTHER CITIES DO YOU KNOW WE HAVE A FAIR NUMBER OF CAPITAL THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN OUR RECIPE THAT WE CAN I KNOW I DON'T WANT TO TALK DETAILS HERE BUT YOU KNOW WHAT ARE SOME THINGS WE COULD MAYBE LOOK TO TRY TO DO TO TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THOSE FUNDS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US AS A CITY SINCE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, QUITE A FEW CAPITAL EXPENSES THAT ARE IN OUR OUR CAP THAT NEED TO BE RESOLVED LIKE YOUR QUESTION IF WE. YEAH, I THINK I MEAN UNPRECEDENTED IN THE IN THE CHAOS AND THEN UNPRECEDENTED IN THE INVESTMENT RIGHT NOW AND HOW THAT'S PLAYING OUT. AND SO I THINK A LOT OF THE INVESTMENT IS INTO HARD INFRASTRUCTURE. SO YOU ARE PUTTING FORWARD YOUR WATER PROJECTS. YOU KNOW YOU DID SECURE $60 MILLION FOR NUMBER ONE TRANSPORTATION PROJECT OUT OF INFRA GRANTS FOR FOR 94 WHICH THAT PROGRAM EXISTED BEFORE THE BIG INFRASTRUCTURE INFLUX OF FUNDING BUT IT WAS YOU KNOW, REALLY, REALLY FLOODED WITH MORE FUNDING. SO IN YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW STREET IMPROVEMENTS AND THOSE PORTIONS OF THOSE CAN BE IN THE EARMARK PROCESS BUT A LOT OF WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN BOTH INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT ACT AND THEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR EXCUSE ME THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT IS NEW PROGRAMS FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY. SO INSTALLATIONS OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY YOU KNOW, CAPABILITIES IN YOUR BUILDINGS AND THEN ALSO ALL OF YOUR SORT OF STREET AND ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IF THEY HAVE A COMPONENT THAT SAVES MILES YOU KNOW, MILES DRIVEN OR HELPS WITH CONGESTION, THINGS LIKE THAT THOSE ARE ALL THAT'S THE LENS THAT THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS REALLY LOOKING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S EXCITING TOO IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIST OF PROJECTS PRIMACY CAN CAN YOU KNOW WE'LL TALK TO STAFF AND LOOK AT ALL THE PIECES AND SAY OKAY, YOU KNOW THIS THIS PROJECTS 5.6 MILLION. BUT IF YOU IF WE CAN GET A MILLION FOR IT IN EARMARKS, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR IT OR THIS IS BIG ENOUGH AND HAS ALL THE COMPONENTS TO GO FOR RAISE GNTR A PROTECT GRANT WHICH HAS A LOT OF OF THE SORT OF ENVIRONMENTAL AND PIECES TO IT AS WELL. SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE DISCRETIONARY GRANT PROGRAMS AND PROCESSES THAT WE CAN REQUEST HARD INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS FOR AND. THEN THERE IS ALSO FORMULA DOLLARS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SIT UP AND AT THE STATE THE STATE OF MINNESOTA HAS RECEIVED FEDERAL FUNDS FROM AND WORKING THROUGH FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION THOSE FUNDS FOR FOR MINDAT AND PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE CITY THAT ARE LED OR MANAGED YOU KNOW THAT MONEY HAS BEEN BOOSTED UP TO SO WE CAN LOOK AND SAY THIS WOULD REALLY BE SENOR YOU T GO THAT STATE AND GO PARTNER WITH MINDAT HERE BECAUSE THIS THIS FUNDING STREAM HAS REALLY BEEN PLUSSED UP SO WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS BUT WORKING BACKWARDS THE SIZE SIZE OF THE PROJECT MATTER AND COST OF THE PROJECT MATTERS IN TERMS OF WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK IN INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT OR YOU KNOW INFLATION REDUCTION ACT AND AND THEN IF IT IS A SMALL ENOUGH PROJECT FOR EARMARKS, THAT'S WHERE IT GETS EXCITING BECAUSE IT CAN MOST OF THE 12 BILLS SO ENERGY AND WATER INTERIOR TRANSPORTATION AND HUD EVEN FINANCIAL SERVICES THEY'RE ALL EARMARKS. SO YOU CAN BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OUTSIDE THE BOX RATHER THAN JUST YOU KNOW, STREET INTERCHANGE OR OR WASTEWATER TREATMENT WHICH THOSE ARE REALLY GREAT PROJECTS TO PUT FORWARD AND PUT FORWARD IN THAT PROCESS. BUT BUT THERE'S SORT OF A MORE EXPANSIVE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF CATEGORIES IN THE EARMARKING PROCESS ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS COUNCIL VERY GOOD. WELL THANK YOU. THANKS FOR MAKING THE TRIP HERE AND THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WORK AND I KNOW YOU DO A LOT OF WORK IN DC ON BEHALF OF BLOOMINGTON AND I KNOW THAT IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T KNOW PRIMUS HE WAS A GREAT ADVOCATE FOR THE CITY AS WE WERE DEEP IN THE EXPO AND SO THEY DID OUTSTANDING WORK AND THANK YOU FOR THAT AND IF YOU COULD EXTEND YOUR THANKS TO THE REST OF YOUR STAFF AS WELL AND JOHN AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THEM SOON. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND HAVE A WONDERFUL REST OF YOUR EVENING AND WE'LL SEE YOU SOON I HOPE. THANKS . MOVING ON COUNSEL TO ITEM THREE ONUR ANDA THAT'S T CONSENT BUSINESS COUNCIL MEMBER LOWMAN HAS OUR CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN THANK YOU. HELP MAKE ONE LAST CALL FOR HOLD SEE NON I'LL GO AHEAD MOVE 3.1 THROUGH 3.11 SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S CONSENT BUSINESS AS STATED FOR THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR ARE HEARINGS RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES AND OUR FIRST ITEM TONIGHT IS A RESOLUTION ITEM 4.1 IS A RESOLUTION PROVIDING PRELIMINARY APPROVAL TO THE ISSUANCE OF REVENUE BONDS FOR THE BENEFIT OF SRP BE STRATEGIC HOUSING LLC WITH RESPECT TO A MULTIFAMILY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND THAT'S A MOUTHFUL AND I'M SURE LORI ECONOMY SHULER, OUR CFO HERE IN BLOOMINGTON IS GOING TO EXPLAIN THIS TO US. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. BEFORE YOU AGAIN IS THE RESOLUTION FOR THE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL. THIS WOULD BE A CONDUIT BOND ISSUE AND WE ARE LOOKING. THIS IS THE 700 AMERICAN PROJECT AND THIS IS FOR 128 UNIT AFFORDABLE SENIOR MULTI FAMILY BUILDING WITH 1500 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL SPACE. THE DEVELOPER SHAFER RICHARDSON WAS SELECTED BY AN RFP PROCESS IN LATE 22. THE PROJECT IS A DEVELOPMENT ENTITLED PROJECT AND WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 16TH. THE CITY COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE LAND USE ENTITLEMENTS ON 18TH WHE THIS PROJECT COMES BACK AND THE PROJECT WAS RECENTLY RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING FROM THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL'S LIVABLE COMMUNITIES DEMONSTRATION ACCOUNT GRANT FOR 1.1 MILLION 791,790,000 WHICH IS EXPECTED TO BE APPROVED BY THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 13TH. JULIE EDINGTON IS WITH US OR OUR BOND ATTORNEY AND SHE WILL EITHER CONDUIT BOND ATTORNEY FOR THE STEEL. MY GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS IS ONCE WE GIVE THE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OR COUNCIL GIVES PRELIMINARY APPROVAL FOR THIS THEY WILL SUBMIT OUR APPLICATION TO THE STATE TO GET BONDING AUTHORITY AND DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY'RE AT IN THE MIXTURE OF ALL THE OTHER APPLICATIONS THEY MAY GET THE AUTHORIZATION IN JANUARY AND THEY MAY HAVE TO WAIT TO THE NEXT ROUND IN MID-SUMMER. SO THIS IS JUST THEIR PRELIMINARY PROCESS AND WE WOULD BE ACTING AS THEONDUIT ND ISSUER FOR THEM FOR THIS STATE BODY AND AS OUR KIND OF RESPONSE. THIS IS NOT AN OBLIGATION OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. GOOD. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. SO COUNCIL THIS IS 700 AMERICAN BOULEVARD. I THINK WHEN WE APPROVED THIS WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT THIS WE TALKED ABOUT THE VARIETY OF FUNDING SOURCES THAT THEY WOULD BE WORKING TOWARD AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE FUNDING SOURCES THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO TO WORK THEIR WAY THROUGH AT THIS TIME. ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL COMMENTS AT ALL? COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ROBERT, THIS IS NOT THE FINAL APPROVAL. THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AND THEN IT'LL COME BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL THAT GENERALLY. OUR BOND ATTORNEY DOES NOT ALLOW US. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. SOUNDS GOOD. AND THAT WE ARE NOT FINANCIALLY OBLIGATED. DOES THAT INCLUDE IF FOR SOME REASON THEY DEFAULTED WE STILL WOULD NOT BE OBLIGATED ON A CONDUIT BOND TO STATE WE WOULD NOT BE PART OF ANY DEFAULT. THE CITY IS EXEMPT FROM ALL OF THAT. OKAY. AND COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? COUNCIL AS I SAID, THE COUNCIL THIS A A RESOLUTION AND SO I'D BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION. COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN WE'RE ALL MOVED TO A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE 2024 IT WILL BE I'M THE WRONG ONE HERE. LET ME TRY THAT. I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION PROVIDING PRELIMINARY APPROVAL TO THE ISSUAN OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSING REVENUE NOTES FOR THE BENEFIT OF SRP B STRATEGIC HOUSING LLC. SECOND MOST OF MY COUNCILMEMBER AND SECOND MY COUNCILMEMBER TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION ON PROVIDING THE PRELIMINARY APPROVAL OF THE ISSUANCE OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSING NOTES AS STATED. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I AM OPPOSED . MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 4.2 AND THIS ECONOMY SURELY WILL STAY WITH US. THIS IS A A RESOLUTION REGARDINGROPOSED CHANG TO OUR FEES AND CHARGES SCHEDULE. WE WILL HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS. MS. ECONOMY SHOULDER YES, I'D AS I'M WAITING FOR THE PRESENTATION TO PULL UP I JUST HAVE A FEW SLIDES FOR YOU IN JANUARY TO THE APPENDIX B IS WHAT WE'VE CREATED THROUGH OUR FEES AND SERVICE CHARGE SCHEDULES. THERE'S AN APPENDIX A THROUGH THE ORDINANCE APPENDIX B IN APPENDIX C ARE THE APPENDIX B PIECES OF THAT FOR FEES FOR SERVICES AND CHARGES ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION TO BE INCORPORATED IN THE PUBLIC CITY CODE SHORTLY BEFORE YOU WILL BE AN ORDINANCE ONE FOR A FEE FOR UTILITIES BUT FOR NOW THIS IS THE FEE SCHEDULE BY RESOLUTION STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION WITH OTHER PROPOSED FEES AND CHANGES IN THE PACKET AND POSTED BEFORE YOU IS NUMEROUS LINES OF FEE CHANGES MAJORITY HAVE BEEN AND LET'S SEE. MO OF THE FEES ARE DOING THROUGH IN THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS YOUTH PROGRAMS. THERE'S AN ANIMAL SHELTER PIECE THAT ALIGNS WITH OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES AND IT REALLY IN ALIGNS WELL WITH THE COSTS TO MAINTAIN THE ANIMAL AND THE ANIMAL SHELTER FOR THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT THEY'RE NORMALLY THERE AND THAT WENT UP TO $75 AND THEN WERE LOOKING FOR SOME PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT AND THAT'S ALL I HEAR THAT THE MOTION. VERY GOOD COUNSELOR. ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. ECONOMY SHOULDER? COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS I TYPICALLY ASK EVERY TIME WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE FEES AND IN TERMS OF HOW WE EITHER INCREASE OR DECREASE THE FEES WHAT IS KIND OF HOW DOES THE STAFF GO ABOUT DOING THAT WOULD BE MY AND MY FIRST QUESTION WHAT'S KIND OF THE YOU KNOW, THE POLICY OR DECISION MAKING PROCESS IN WHICH TO DO THAT MAKE IT AND TN THE SECONDARY PIE WHEN WE LOOK AT BUSINESS IMPACT AND AROUND EQUITY PIECES HAVE HOW DID YOU DEAL WITH ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS SO IN REGARDS TO THE EQUITY PIECE I MAJORITY OF THESE HAVE BEEN IN PROCESS FOR MANY MANY YEARS THESE. SO AS WE LOOK TO INCREASE AND CHANGE THEM WE LOOK AT INFLATION RATES, WE LOOK AT ALSO THE COST TO OPERATE THAT PROCEDURE OR THAT PROGRAM AND THEN SEEING WHERE WE CAN DO THAT AND WE ALSO LOOK AT COMPARISON WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES TO SEE THAT WE ARE IN ALIGNMENT OR IF OUR COSTS ARE GREATER THAN OUR COMMUNITY IS WE WILL LOOK TO FIND DIG DEEPER INTO WHY THOSE COSTS. ALL RIGHT THERE. SO WE WANT TO BE COMPARABLE WITH CITIES. WE ALSO WANT TO BE FAIR AND REASONABLE ON WHAT WE'RE ASKING OUR RESIDENTS TO PAY FOR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS OR BUSINESSES AS THEY'RE COMING TO ENGAGE WITH US. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THREE VERY QUICK QUESTIONS. MOST OF THE INCREASES WERE MODEST WHICH ON HAND IS GOOD. MY QUESTION ABOUT THAT THOUGH IS I MEAN WE'VE SEEN SIGNIFICANT INFLATION. WE'RE SEEING THAT OUR OTHER BUDGETS. WHY ARE FEES NOT REFLECTING THOSE SAME COST INCREASES? AGAIN, I WOULD MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBER NELSON WE WOULD LOOK TO SEE WHAT WE CAN AFFORD AND WHAT THE PROGRAMS CAN SUSTAIN. MAJORITY OF OUR PARK AND REC PROGRAMS TO RECEIVE SOME TAX LEVY SUPPORT. SECOND QUESTION VERY SPECIFICALLY TO COMMUNICATIONS I SAW THAT THERE WERE NO FEE CHANGES AND THIS GETS BACK TO THE BUDGET QUESTION AGAIN THAT YOU KNOW WE HAVE CHALLENGES WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS BUDGET BECAUSE OF OUR FEES THAT WE COLLECT FROM THE WHATEVER IT'S CALLED I FORGET THE NAME OF IT NOW BUT E AND I NOTED THAT WE DIDN'T WE HAVEN'T INCREASED THOSE SINCE 2019. SOME OF THEM GO BACK TO LIKE 20 OR 26. AT WHAT POINT DO WE START TO LOOK AT THOSE FEES? GIVEN THE BUDGET CHALLENGE OF THAT FUND? MR. PERRY THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THE FEES THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING THAT ARE REVENUES FOR OUR COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION COME FROM THE FRANCHISE FEE, THE THE CABLE FRANCHISE FEE. THOSE ARE DESCRIBED IN THE FRANCHISE THAT WE HAVE WITH COMCAST AND THEY ARE FIXED FOR THE TERM OF THAT CONTRACT. SO THE NEXT OPENING FOR THE THE FRANCHISE I BELIEVE COMING DUE IN 2026 IF MY MEMORY SERVES AND WE WILL ACTUALLY REACH OUT AND TRY TO COMMENCE NEGOTIATION WITH THEM AS EARLY AS 2024 WHICH IS THE PROCESS WE NORMALLY USE. IT'S TEN YEAR CONTRACT AND OFTEN THERE ARE MANY ISSUES THAT TAKE A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME TO WORK THROUGH IN ADDITION TO RUIRING SOME STUDY AND I'D SAY THAT THIS NEXT FRANCHISE IS GOING TO BE VERY COMPLICATED IN TERMS OF NEGOTIATING RATES AND UNDERSTANDING THE CAPITAL ISSUES AND MANY OTHER THINGS IN LIGHT OF WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. MAYROON COUNCILMEMBER NELSON I WOULD ALSO ADD THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE BACK IN 2006 AND EVEN TEND TO BE THE MEDIA OF PEOPLE WANTING TO BUY A DVD OR CD OF EVENTS FROM US AND YOU KNOW AND GENERALLY WE POST A LOT OF THE VIDEOS AND STUFF NOW RIGHT ON YOUTUBE. SO PEOPLE CAN DOWNLOAD FROM YOUTUBE AND WATCH IT ON YOUTUBE WITHOUT HAVING TO PURCHASE A CD OR DVD FROM US FOR THAT INFORMATION. AND JUST FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I KNOW THEY'RE FUNDED BY FRANCHISEES BUT I DON'T THINK THESE ARE THE FRANCHISE FEES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. AND YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT LIKE AN INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP FOR THE COMMUNICATION BCT 80 $50 IT'S BEEN $50 SINCE 2000 FOR YOU KNOW AND I GUESS THAT THAT'S MY QUESTION IS THEEES TH WE CAN CONTROL. AT WHAT POINT DO WE LOOK AT THAT IF IT'S BEEN NEARLY TWO DECADES AND IT HASN'T CHANGED YET? MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND I THINK THIS ONE HAS MORE TO DO WITH WHAT THIS ECONOMY SHULER WAS REFERENCING. LIKE WITH OUR PARK AND RECREATION PROGRAMS RIGHT WHERE THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THAT A PARTICIPANT IS WILLING TO PAY SO WE HAVE TO STAY IN LOCKSTEP WITH WHAT WE THINK THE MARKET IS. THESE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT JUST DON'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT OUNT OF USER SHIP. RIGHT. AND SO I THINK THE SENSE HAS BEEN WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET BLOOD FROM A TURNIP AS IT WERE. AND SO CONTINUING TO INCREASE RATES THERE IS IS NOT GOING TO HELP US ATTRACT MORE USERS SO WE PROBABLY LOSE MORE MEMBERS THAN WE GAIN AN FEE IF PRICE ELASTICITY OF DEMAND. MY LAST QUESTION IS WHAT IS WINTER SNOW SOFTBALL BECAUSE IT SOUNDS FASCINATING AND IT WAS NEW ALLISON VAUGHN JUST HAPPENS TO BE SITTING HERE. HERE WE GO. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. SNOW SOFTBALL IS EXACTLY WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE PLAYING SOFTBALL IN THE SNOW. A NUMBER OF OUR OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND HAVE TRIED IT OUT AND SO WE THOUGHT WE'D GIVE IT A SHOT THIS WINTER AS WELL. SO WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHO RUNS AND YOU CAN COME CHECK IT OUT. ABSOLUTELY. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS SO I SEE A COUPLE OF NEW FEES UNDER THE SECTION THE BLOOMINGTON ICE GARDEN SECTION. SO HIGH SCHOOL GAME FEE CLEANING FEE THAT I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT ARE THOSE? I GUESS I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND LIKE ARE THOSE ARE THE CLEANING FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL GAMES AND THE CLEANING FEES THERE? MS. CATCHER GOOD EVENING. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COULD YOU TELL ME AGAIN WHAT THE SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT A CLEANING FEE? YEAH. SO UNDER THE BLOOMINGTON ICE THERE ARE SOME BRAND NEW FEES AND ONE OF THEM IS A HIGH SCHOOL GAME EVENT FEE AND THEN THERE'S A CLEANING FEE AND A CLEANING FEE FOR ALL THREE SHEETS AND I GUESS I'M JUST I WASN'T SURE IF THE CLEANING FEES WERE ASSOCIATED THE HIGH SCHOOL GAME EVENT FEE OR IF THEY WERE JUST SEPARATE. SO IF THERE WAS A BIG TOURNAMENT HOSTED BY, YOU KNOW, THE LOCAL HOCKEY ASSOCIATION, WOULD THEY THEN HAVE CLEANING FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE RENTAL OF ALL THREE SHEETS FOR A TOURNAMENT? IS THAT HOW I'M. AM I TAKING THAT THE RIGHT WAY? MR. SABLE, DO WE HAVE ANY? YES, MA'AM. LENNY, DID YOU HEAR THE QUESTION FROM COUNCILMEMBER CARTER? I DID. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER CARTER, WE ADDED THESE FEES IN FOR THEIR SEPARATE SO THE CLEANING FEE IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE HIGH SCHOOL GAME FEES, SPECIAL EVENT FEES SO MAJOR TOURNAMENTS, OTHER MAJOR EVENTS AT THE RINK THAT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL LIKE MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE CLEANUP AND MUCH MORE TRASH GENERATION IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE STARTED LOOKING AT ADDING AND SO THIS LAST WEEKEND WHEN WE HAD A TOURNAMENT RENTING ALL THREE SHEETS OF ICE AND HAD STAFF IN THE BUILDING SIGNIFICANTLY LATER THAN THEY NORMALLY WOULD BE. I'M CLEANING UP AFTER A LARGE EVENT. IT'S ONE WAY TO RECOUP SOME OF THOSE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT BETWEEN THE STAFF TIME AND THEN JUST THE EXTRA AMOUNT OF TRASH THAT GOES INTO THE DUMPSTER. OKAY. SO IT'S MORE FOR THOSE BIGGER EVENTS. IT WOULDN'T PERTAIN TO SAY I KNOW LIKE THE LOCAL ELEMENTARY SCOLS WILL DO A FIELD TRIP TO BIG. LIKE WOULD THAT APPLY TO THEM AS? WELL. NO. THESE WOULD BE JUST APPLIED FOR OUR MAJOR TOURNAMENT WEEKENDS OR MAJOR COMPETITION WEEKENDS WHERE THEIR RANKING MULTIPLE SHEETS OF ICE. SO IT MIGHT BE ONE SHEET OF ICE FOR THE ENTIRE WEEKEND OR IT MIGHT BE MULTIPLE SHEETS. IF THEY RENT ALL THREE SHEETS WE GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCOUNT ECONOMY OF SCALE PER SAY LIKE THIS LAST WEEK AND WE AT THE GOBBLER THEY HAD ALL THREE SHEETS RENTED ALL DAY FRIDAY ALL DAY SATURDAY AND SUNDAY MORNING. IN THAT CASE THEY WOULD HAVE PAID TO THE THREE SHEET FEE EACH DAY FOR THE CLEANUP. GOT IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S A PARKS AND REC QUESTION. SO CAN YOU JUST REMIND US THERE'S RECOGNIZED YOUR USER GROUPS WHICH I SEE MOST OF THOSE FEES DID NOT CHANGE AND THEN THERE'S PRIVATE GROUPS WHICH THOSE INCREASED. SO ARE THE RECOGNIZED USER GROUPS LIKE SOME OF THE YOUTH ATHLETIC ASSOCIATIONS AND MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER THE RECOGNIZED GROUPS ARE THE LOCAL ATHLETIC ASSOCIATIONS AND THEY NOW PAY A PER PLAYER FEE INSTEAD OF A PER FIELD FEE THAT ARE LISTED IN THERE FOR THAT. DID THAT INCREASE? IT DID INCREASE TO $13 PER PLAYER THIS YEAR. IT WAS 11 THE LAST TWO YEARS AND IT'LL BE 15 STARTING IN 2026 AND ALL OF THE ASSOCIATIONS ARE AWARE OF THOSE UPCOMING. OKAY SO THAT'S THE R.B. Y ECHO CORRECTLY RECOGNIZED BLOOMINGTON YOUTH ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION. WE LOVE OUR ACRONYM. OKAY. I WAS WONDERING. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION WOULD BE RELATED TO THE BETWEEN 15 TO 20% INCREASE IN CAMP PROGRAM FEES. AND I WILL SAY YEARS AGO I WAS SHOCKED BY HOW LOW HOW LOW THE COST WAS FOR CAMP COTA. SO I'M NOT NECESSARILY AGAINST THAT CHANGE. I THINK WE'RE STILL PROBABLY LOWER THAN LIKE YMCA CAMP PROGRAMS BUT I GUESS I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN JUST HEARING YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING INTO THAT INCREASE JUST SO THAT THOSE IN THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR WHY THEY'LL BE SEEING THOSE INCREASES AS WELL. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER CARTER ALONG WITH THAT LIKE LORI SAID ,WE DO COMPARE WITH OTHER CITIES AND OTHER PROGRAMS AROUND THE AREA AND WE ARE STILL EXTREMELY LOW INCOMPARABLE TO OTHERS ESPECIALLY FOR A WEEK LONG PROGRAM THAT INCLUDES AND OVERNIGHT IT IS EXTREMELY TAX SUBSIDIZED AT THE MOMENT AND SO WE ARE USING COST RECOVERY AND MANY BUSINESS PLANS TO IDENTIFY WHERE WE CAN INCREASE FEES AND THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THEM ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT WE DO HAVE OUR FEE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM THAT IS STILL AVAILABLE AND CHANNG FOR THE UPCOMING 2024 SEASON TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL FEE ASSISTANCE IF NECESSARY. THANK YOU. I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE FEE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM BECAUSE I KNEW THERE WAS ONE IN PLACE. SO THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE THINK THANK COUNCILMEMBER. MR. RUBY THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER CARTER. APPRECIATE THE RESPONSES FROM WARREN AND THE EMPHASIS ON THE COST RECOVERY CONCEPT BECAUSE YOU MIGHT RECALL THIS WHEN WE WENT THROUGH OUR PARK SYSTEM MASTER PLANNING THAT NOTION OF COST RECOVERY WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND AS WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR BUDGETS GOING FORWARD WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT YR EXPTATIONS ARE GOING TO BE BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMEMBER CARTER, I THINK THAT MANY OF OUR USERS AND CUSTOMERS HAVE BEEN USED TO A CERTAIN LEVEL OF CHARGING FOR FOR OUR PROGRAMING. AND AS MS. WARREN MENTIONED, THEY'RE VERY HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED RATE AND SO TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE BALANCE ON WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE CHARGING FOLKS AND WHAT THE COUNCIL'S EXPECTATIONS ARE GOING TO BE WILL BE UPCOMING DISCUSSION COUNCIL ANYTHING ADDITIONAL AND THEN FOUR POINT TO ANY QUESTIONS. VERY GOOD. AS I SAID, THIS IS A PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY AND I WILL OPEN THIS PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY NOW. IS ANYONE HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO ITEM 4.2 RESOLUTION REGARDING THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO FEES AND CHARGES SCHEDULE NO. ONE COMING FORWARD. MR. SABLE, IS THERE ANYONE ON THE PHONE THIS EVENING? THANK YOU, MARY. COUNCILMEMBERS I DO HAVE A CALLER WITH THE PREFIX 617519 YOU ARE NOW UNMUTED . CALLER 617519 YOU ARE NOW LIVE . ALL RIGHT. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE ON THE LINE. VERY GOOD, MR. MAYOR. I ALSO HAVE A MICHAEL DARGIS ON THE LINE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER NUMBERS BETTER. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE, MR. SABLE THEN MAYOR THAT'S IT. LAST CALL FOR ANYONE IN THE CHAMBERS WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TOTEM 4.2 THIS EVENING COUNCIL. I DON'T SEE ANYONE COMING FORWARD SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD PUBLIC COMMENT OPPORTUNITY FOR ITEM 4.2 COUNCIL ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON ITEM 4.2 OR IF NOT I WOULD LOOK FOR ACTION ON IT. UM 4.2 COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN MAYOR I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THAT MOTION. JUST ONE LAST CALL FOR ANY COMMENTS OR ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL ALL RIGHT COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN, I WILL MOVE THAT WE ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE 2024 SCHEDULE OF FEES AND CHARGES. APPENDIX B FEES AND SERVICE CHARGES SCHEDULE ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION SECOND MOST OF MY COUNCIEMBER MARTIN SECOND MY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE 2024 SCHEDULE OF FEES AND CHARGES NO FOR THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. NEXT UP IS OUR ITEM 4.3. THIS ONE IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND THIS IS REGARDING AN ORDINANCE TO INCREASE WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES. CR CARL CENTER DEPUTY FINANCE OFFICER IS HERE THIS EVENING AND I THINK ACTUALLY YOU GET THE NEXT FOUR ITEMS AS WELL. SO YES, WELCOME. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENG MOR AND COUNCIL TONIGHT IS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 2024 UTILITY RATES AND CORRESPONDING BUDGETS AND THIS INFORMATION WE ARE PRESENTING TONIGHT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE OCTOBER 16TH AND NOVEMBER 13TH COUNCIL MEETINGS. HOWEVER I AM GOING TO RUN THROUGH IT AGAIN QUICKLY SINCE THIS IS THE OFFICIAL PUBLIC HEARING AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE WATCHING TONIGHT HAVE THIS INFORMATION IN CASE THEY DIDN'T SEE THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETINGS WHERE IT WAS DISCUSSED. I WILL BE PRESENTING THE INFORMATION THIS EVENING BUT WE DO HAVE THE UTILITY FUND MANAGERS HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS INCLUDING UTILITY SUPERINTENDENT SCOTT ANDERSON AND WATER RESOURCES MANAGER BRIAN GRILL THAT ARE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND ALSO SOLID WASTE PROGRAM COORDINATOR LAURA HORNER. SHE IS ONLINE AND SO AS I SAID, THEY'RE ALL AVAILABLE FOR ANSWERING QUESTIONS. SO THE FOUR UTILITY FUNDS ARE THE WATER FUND THE WASTE WATER FUND, THE STORMWATER FUND AND THE SOLID WASTE FUND. THE WATER UTILITY PROVIDES HIGH QUALITY AND DRINKING WATER AND THIS FUND ACCOUNTS FOR THE COSTS RELATED TO THE OPERATION MAINTENANCE AND RENEWAL OF THE WATER SYSTEM . THIS GRAPH HERE IS THE THAT DEMONSTRATES THAT BLOOMINGTON CONTINUES TO PROVIDE SAFE AND WATER AT A RELATIVELY LOW COST. THE BLUE BARS REPRESENT SOFTENED WAT. THE RED BARS REPRESENT UNSAFE UNDER WATER AND THE WHITE BAR HERE REPRESENTS HOME SOFTENED WATER COST. SO BLOOMINGTON HAS THE SECOND TO THE LOWEST SOFTENED WATER RATE COMPARED TO THESE OTHER CITIES IN FOR 2024. WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE RATES FOR BOTH TIER ONE AND TIER TWO BE INCREASED BY SEVEN AND A HALF PERCENT. THE TIER TWO RATE GOES INTO EFFECT OVER 12,000 GALLONS FOR A BI MONTHLY PERIOD SO A TWO MONTH PERIOD. AND THEN THIS IS THE WATER FUND LONG TERM BUDGET MODEL WITH THAT SEVEN AND A HALF PROPOSED RATE INCREASE. YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE BUDGET MODEL THAT THE WORKING CAPITAL BALANCE IS IN THE GREEN WHICH WHAT IS OUR GOAL WITH THIS PROPOSED RATE INCREASE FOR 2024? REVENUE IS PROJECTED TO BE $21.7 MILLION AND EXPENSES ARE SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THAT AND $21.9 MILLION WITH ABOUT 4 INAPITAL AND THAT WILL BRING DOWN THE WORKING CAPITAL BALANCE BY AROUND 200,000. BUT IN 2024 BUT KEEP IT IN LINE WITH THE GOAL FOR THIS FUND. NEXT FOR THE WASTEWATER UTILITY THE WASTEWATER UTILITY PROVIDES CITY SEWER SERVICES AND THIS FUND ALSO ACCOUNTS FOR THE COSTS OF OPERATIONS, MAINTENANCE AND RENEWAL FOR THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM AND AS DISCUSSED BEFORE US SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE IN THIS FUND ARE THE WASTEWATER SEWER COLLECTION SYSTEM CHARGES FROM FROM THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES AND IN 2024 THAT WILL BE $9 MILLION. THE SLIDE SHOWS THAT BLOOMINGTON'S WASTEWATER RATES ARE AMONG THE LOWEST IN OUR PEER CITIES AND FOR 2024 WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THE RATES ARE INCREASED BY 4%. SO GOING FROM $5.29 TO $5.50 PER 1000 GALLONS. AND THEN NEXT HERE'S THE WASTEWATER LONG TERM BUDGET MODEL WITH THAT 4% INCREASE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND WITH THAT THE FORECASTED REVENUES WOULD BE AT 14.9 MILLION AND EXPENSES AT 15.2 MILLION BRINGING DOWN THE WORKING CAPITAL BALANCE BY ABOUT 248,020 24 BUT STILL REMAINING PRETTY MUCH IN THE GOAL UNTIL 2027. E NEXT UTITY FUND IS THE STORMWATER AND THAT MANAGES RAINWATER TO PREVENT FLOODING AND IMPROVE WATER QUALITY BEFORE AND ENTERS OUR PONDS, LAKES AND RIVERS. THIS GRAPH SHOWS AN ANNUAL FAMILY STORMWATER RATE FOR BLOOMINGTON RESIDENTS COMPARED TO SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AND ON THIS ONE BROOKLYN CENTERS AT THE LOWEST THEY'RE AT $73.17 PER YEAR. MINNEAPOLIS HERE IS THE HIGHEST A $216.75 PER YEAR AND THEN BLOOMINGTON HERE IS IN THE UPPER MIDDLE AND SO WE'RE CURRENTLY AT $105 PER YEAR FOR 2023 WHICH IS SHOWN IN BLUE THERE AND THEN THE PROPOSED IN ORANGE IS AT $112.32 PER YEAR SHOWN IN THE ORANGE ON THIS GRAPH WE'RE PROPOSING THAT THE RATES INCREASE BY 7%. THE STORM WATER RATES ARE DETERMINED BY LAND USE CATEGORY AT A PER ACRE RATE. SO AS I SAID WE'RE PROPOSING A 7% INCREASE EACH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOT CONSIDERED TO BE ONE THIRD OF AN ACRE. SO THE PROPOSED 2024 RATE AT THAT ONE THIRD ACRE WOULD BE $9.36 PER MONTH. HERE'S THE LONG TERM BUDGET MODEL WITH A 7% INCREASE WHICH WOULD HAVE REVENUES FORECASTED AT $8.2 MILLION AND EXPENSES AT $9.6 MILLION WHICH WILL BRING DOWN THE WORKING CAPITAL AMOUNTS BY AROUND 1.4 MILLION LITTLE BIT UNDER AND IN 2024. SO THE WORKING CAPITAL BALANCE DIPS DOWN TO 80% OF THE GOAL FOR THE FUND IN 2026 BUT IT'S PROJECTED TO GO BACK UP TO 90% IN 2027. AND THEN THE LAST UTILITY FUND TONIGHT IS THE SOLID WASTE UTILITY WHICH PROVIDES SERVICE FOR GARBAGE RECYCLING ORGANICS, YARD WASTE, BULKY ITEM MANAGEMENT, STORM CLEANUPS AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH ABATEMENTS. SO IN 2024 BUDGET THE FOREST FORESTRY ACTIVITY FOR DECEASED TREE REMOVAL IS MOVING FROM THIS FUND TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION SPECIAL REVENUE FUND. NOW THAT PARK MAINTENANCE HAS MOVED FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. HERE ARE THE PROPOSED 2024 GARBAGE RATES THATRE MADE UP OF FOUR DIFFERENT COMPONENTS. SO THE COLLECTION RATE THAT'S SET IN OUR CONTRACT WITH THE GOVERNMENT HAULERS CONSORTIUM IS A PART OF THE RATE DRIVER. ALSO THE DISPOSAL RATE THAT'S SET IN THE CONTRACT CONSORTIUM. THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE FEE THAT COVERS BILLING SERVICE, EDUCATION AND CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION. AND THERE IS KIND OF A PASS THROUGH FEE FOR THE STATE SOLID WASTE TAX AND THE COUNTY FEE NEXT THE RECYCLING RATES ARE PROPOSING A 3% INCREASE AND THE RATE DRIVERS CONSIST OF A PRICE AGAIN SET IN THE CONTRACT FOR COLLECTION AS WELL AS A RECYCLING COMMODITY ADJUSTMENT OFFSET THAT ESTABLISHED ANNUALLY AND THAT IS DETERMINED BY THE PUBLISHED COMMODITY INDICES AND THE COMPOSITION OF WHAT OUR RESIDENTS RECYCLING THE ORGANICS RECYCLING SERCE BEGAN LAST YEAR AND MARCH 2022 AND LIKE REGULAR RECYCLING THE RATE IS PAID BY ALL RESIDENTS WHO HAVE CITY GARBAGE AND RECYCLING SERVICE. THE RATE IS INCREASING BY $0.17 PER MONTH SO IT'S GOING FROM $5.50 TO $5.67 AND RESIDENTS DO NEED TO SIGN UP FOR A CART AND CURRENTLY JUST UNDER 8% OF HOUSEHOLDS ARE PARTICIPATING . AND THEN THE BULKY ITEM MANAGEMENT THAT WAS REDUCED BY 16% LAST YEAR AFTER SOME PROGRAM CHANGES AND THE PROGRAM CHANGES INCLUDED GOING FROM AN EVERY YEAR CURBSIDE CLEANUP TO AN EVERY OTHER CURBSIDE CLEANUP. SO 2024 THERE'S GOING TO BE A CURBSIDE CLEANUP. THERE'S ALSO NOW A COMMUNITY DROP OFF EVENT COMMUNITY SWAP EVENTS IN A PORTION OF THE STREET DOES GO TOWARDS CLEANUP IF THERE'S A MAJOR STORM EVENT . THIS IS THE SOLID LONG TERM BUDGET MODEL WITH ON AVERAGE 4.66% INCREASE FOR THE GARBAGE AND 3% FOR RECYCLING AND ORGANICS INCREASES. 2024 HAS REVENUES AT $10.2 MILLION AND EXPENSES BUDGETED AT 10.9 MILLION. THE 2024 BUDGET HAS 1.4 MILLION BUDGETED FOR THE CURBSIDE CLEANUP AS I TALKED ABOUT IN THE WORKING CAPITAL DOES DIP DOWN TO 74% OF THE GOAL AND 26 IS PROJECTED TO GO BACK UP TO ABOUT 87% IN 2027. THIS NEXT SLIDE IS JUST SHOWING SOME KEY RATE DRIVERS FOR UTILITY RATES SO THE WATER WASTEWATER AND STORMWATER UTILITIES , THE KEY RATE DRIVERS ARE THE INCREASES IN SUPPLIES, CONTRACT SERVICES, MATERIALS COSTS THAT WE'RE SEEING THERE IN PROJECT COSTS FOR ASSET RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT THE WASTEWATER UTILITY ALSO HAS THAT SIGNIFICANT CHARGE FROM THE MET COUNCIL ENVIRONMENTAL AND FOR SOLID WASTE. THE DRIVERS INCLUDE THE COLLECTION PRICE ESCALATOR THAT'S SET IN THAT CONTRACT WITH THE HAULERS, THE DISPOSAL COSTS FROM HERC ADMIN CHARGES AND THEN THOSE PASS THROUGH FOR MINNESOTA STATE SOLID WASTE AND HENNEPIN COUNTY AND AS WE'VE SAID BEFORE IT'S NOT JUST THE OPERATIONS MAINTENANCE OF THESE UTILITIES SOME OF THE BIG EXPENSES FOR THE WATERWAYS WATER AND STORMWATER ARE THE PLANNED ASSET RENEWAL OF INFRASTRUCTURE. SO JUST SOME JUST SOME OF THE EXAMPLES OF PLANNED UTILITY PROJECTS INCLUDE THE $1.3 MILLION TO REPLACE ONE OF THE CITY'S SIX DRINKING WATER SUPPLY WELLS $9 MILLION PLAN FOR CONSTRUCTION NECESSARY FOR DEWATERING SECONDARY SOLIDS AT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT $6 MILLION FOR MRI OR ADVANCED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THOSE ARE ALL FOR THE WATERFORD YARD AND THEN 2.7 MILLIO FOR PEN LAKE STORMWATER PROJECT WHICH HAD BEEN LISTED BY THE MINNESOTA POLLUTION CONTROL AGENCY AS IMPAIRED FOR NUTRIENTS. AND THIS WORK WAS IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE PENN LINK HYDROLOGY STUDY COMPLETED LAST YEAR . SO HERE IS A RECAP OF THE PROPOSED RATE INCREASES FOR TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING. SO WATER AT A SEVEN AND A HALF PERCENT WASTEWATER AT 4%, STORMWATER AT 7%, AN AVERAGE OF THE SMALL, MEDIUM AND LARGE CURVES FOR GARBAGE AT 4.66% RECYCLING 3% BULKY ITEM MANAGEMENT 3% AND ORGANICS 3% . AND THEN THIS IS THE RECAP WITH ALL THE READS COMBINED JUST TO SHOW A TOTAL INCREASE BASED ON AVERAGE USAGE. AS A REMINDER UTILITY BILLS ARE SENT ONCE EVERY EIGHT WEEKS SO THEY'RE SENT OUT BI MONTHLY SO FOR LET'S SAYMALL RBAGE USE MINIMAL WATER USE OR SMALL GARBAGE CAN MINIMAL WATER USE WOULD BE AN INCREASE OF $5.50 FOR A TWO MONTH PERIOD OR $33 PER YEAR. A MEDIUM GARBAGE CAN AND MEDIUM WATER USE WOULD BE AN INCREASE OF $10.05 FOR THAT TWO MONTH PERIOD OR $60.30 FOR THE YEAR AND THEN A LARGE GARBAGE AND LARGER WATER USE WOULD BE AN INCREASE OF $19.54 FOR A TWO MONTH PERIOD OR $117.24 A YEAR. THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU MISS CARLSON. COUNCIL QUESTIONS COUNCIL MEMBER LOGAN SO WHEN WE LOOK ACROSS MANY OF THE BUDGETS THERE WE SAW A NUMBER OF THE WORKING CAPITAL PERCENTAGES AND THIS IS MORE SO FOR A QUESTION FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE WATCHING AT HOME AND THEY SEE THIS WORKING CAPITAL IT'S OVER 100% AND IN GREEN YOU KNOW SOME MAY LOOK AT THAT AND SAY YOU KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL OF THE EXAMPLES THAT EARLY MAY SAY HEY WELL GOSH IN OR YOU KNOW WE'RE GETTING TAXED. IS THIS A PLACE WHERE THE COUNCIL COULD REDUCE THAT AMOUNT AND GET IT DOWN TO 100% AND THEN GIVE THOSE DOLLARS BACK TO THE TO THE RESIDENTS? AND I WANTED TO JUST SEE JUST IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS WHEN WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE CAPITAL EXPENSES THAT ARE OVER 100% IT' MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. COUNCILMEMBER LOHAN, YOU CAN SEE WE'RE SHOWING A PORTION OF THESE LONG TERM BUDGET MODELS. IT'S HARD TO EVEN KIND OF SMALL GOING OUT TO 2027 BUT IN ALL OF THOSE YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING OUT IS FOR THEM NOT TO BE OVER 100% OF THE GOAL BUT FOR THEM TO SOMETIMES EVEN DIP DOWN TO UNDER 80%. AND SO ONCE IT GETS BELOW THE 90% OF THAT GOAL IT GETS SHOWS YELLOW JUST AS A COLOR INDICATOR KIND OF CAUTION. AND THEN ONCE IT GETS BELOW THE 80% IT GOES DOWN TO IT TURNS RED AUTOMATICALLY. SO IT'S JUST SHOWING THAT WHAT WE HAVE WHAT WE ARE PLANNING TO HAVE AVAILABLE FOR A FUTURE CAPITAL PROJECTS MIGHT NOT BE THERE AND WE MIGHT NEED TO FIND A DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCE THAN THE ACTUAL MONEY IN THESE FUNDS. SO REALLY THESE THESE SHORT TERM KIND OF THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT KIND OF IGNORE THE LONG TERM KIND OF MODEL THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE TO SOME DEGREE WHEN YOU KIND OF SEE THAT I MEAN IT'S THERE BUT DON'T WE HAVE THOSE SHORT PIECES THERE? IT SOMETIMES CAN GET A LITTLE BIT LOST IN THERE. I I DO KNOW THAT WHEN FOLKS ARE JUST TUNING IN , YOU KNOW, THEY HAVEN'T WATCHED ANY OF THIS STUFF. THEY'RE JUST SEEING THIS FOR THE FIRST TIME. THERE MAY BE SOME CONCERN WITH THAT BUT I JUST WANTED TO JUST KIND OF BRING I KNOW WE HAD A QUITE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT BEFORE BUT I WANTED TO JUST BRING THAT FORWARD AS FOLKS ARE LOOKING AT THAT AS WE KIND OF MOVE TOWARDS THE END OF THE THE PIECES. AND THEN I ALSO WANTED TO JUST MENTION MORE COMMENTARY, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE GARBAGE RATES AND THAT TYPE OF THING THAT THERE IS A STUDY THAT THE COUNCIL ON THE STAFF ARE LOOKING TO TRY TO DO TO TRY TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES WITH WITH THOSE RATES. SO THAT'S ALL I HAD TO COMMENT OR QUESTION THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER AND TO YOUR POINT REGARDING THE CAPITAL FUND BALANCES YES, WE DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND WE ONE OF THE DIRECTIONS WE GAVE TO THE TO THE STAFF WAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION IN DEPTH AND SEE WHERE THE COUNCIL IS COMFORTABLE IN TERMS OF NOT JUST WHERE THEY ARE IN TERMS OF THE RED, GREEN, YELLOW BUT WHERE THEY ARE SET OUT JUST IN GENERAL IS AT AN APPROPRIATE LEVEL AND IF NOT, WHAT IS THE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE THE GOALS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND ALL THE GOALS WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH TO HAVE THAT WORKING CAPITAL BALANCE BUT AT THE SAME TIME TRYING TO BALANCE THE THE TAX REVENUE THAT IS COLLECTED TO THOSE BALANCES WHERE THEY ARE. COUNCIL ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON MISS CARLSON'S PRESENTATION OR HEARING? NONE WE HAVE AND 4.3 IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ORDINANC TONCREASE WATER AND WASTEWATER RES AND IN 4.3 ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WISHING TO SPEAK DONE IN 4.3 THIS EVENING MR. SABLE ,IS THERE ANYONE ON THE LINE? THANK THE MAYOR. NO ONE ON LINE. LAST CALL FOR ANYONE IN THE CHAMBERS TO COME FORWARD. SPEAK ON IT AND 4.3 COUNCIL NO ONE ON THE LINE. I SEE NO ONE COMING FORWARD IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS I WOULD LOOK FOR MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IN ITEM 4.3. SOME WOULD SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOW AND SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ATTEND 4.3 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO CANCEL ANY DISCUSSION HONOR AND WASTEWATER RATES I THINK THIS IS I MEAN WE SEE EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE IN WHAT WE DO AND THE COST OF THINGS BUT THE COST OF WHAT WE HAVE FOR OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER IS LITERALLY THE COST OF THE WATER AND THE WASTEWATER IT'S THE THE OPERATIONS OF IT IT'S THE DELIVERABLES THE INFRASTRUCTURE. I HOPE THERE'S THE UNDERSTANDING FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC THIS ISN'T THIS ISN'T A CITY MONEYMAKER. THIS ISN'T, YOU KW, A CASH GRAB. THIS IS SIMPLY A CITY SERVICE THAT IS PAYING FOR ITSELF AND AND THAT'S THE CASE WITH WITH GOOD JUDGMENT A GOOD CHUNK OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT CERTAINLY WITHIN THIS DEPARTMENT OR WITHIN THIS SPECIFIC CATEGORY. WELL SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, COUNCIL IF NOBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I'D LOOK FOR ACTION ON THAT IN 4.3. COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU MAYOR . I WERE MOVED TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AMENDING APPENDIX A OF THE WELLINGTON CITY CODE TO INCREASE WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES A INDATED IN CHAPTER 11/2 MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN THE WOMAN TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AMENDING APPENDIX SAY OF THE BLOOMINGTON CODE INCREASING WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES FOR THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO COUNCILMEMBER SUMMARY PUBLICATION AND MOVED TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION DIRECTING SUMMARY PUBLICATION OF TO INCREASE WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER SECO BY COUNCILMEMBER MTIN FOR SUMMARY PUBLICATION IN 4.3 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES ZERO WE HEARD THE PRESENTATION WILL MOVE RIGHT ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM 4.4 WHICH IS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ORDINANCE TO INCREASE SOLID WASTE AND REFUSE COLLECTION FEES SO ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WISHES TO SPEAK TO HIM. 4.4 MR. SABLE ANYONE ON THE LINE? MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS NO O NEWN THE LIN LAST CHANCE FOR ANYONE IN THE CHAMBERS COUNCIL NO ONE COMING FORWARD FOR ITEM 4.4 THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE ORDINANCE TO INCREASE SOLID WASTE AND REFUSE COLLECTION FEES. I LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SOME OF SAY A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LAU AND SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC ON ITEM 4.4 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES ZERO PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED COUNCIL ANY DISCUSSIONS ON AN AND 4.4 SOLID WASTE AND REFUSE COLLECTION FEES HEARING NO QUESTIONS I LOOK FOR ACTION I DON'T AND 4.4 COUNCIL COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU MAYOR I MOVE TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AMENDING APPENDIX A OF THE INTENSITY CODE TO INCREASE SOLID WASTE AND REFUSE COLLECTION FEES INDICATED IN CHAPTER SECOND MOTION OF COUNCILMEMBER SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AMENDING APPENDIX SAY OF THE BLOOMINGTON CITY CODE TO INCREASE SOLID WASTE AND REFUSE COLLECTION. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEAS SIGNIFY BY SAYING I'M OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO COUNCILMEMBER SUMMARY PUBLICATION THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION DIRECTING SUMMARY PUBLICATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO INCREASE SOLID WASTE AND REFUSE COLLECTION FEES SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER FOR SUMMARY PUBLICATION ON ITEM 4.4 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSE MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO AND ITEM 4.5 THE RESOLUTION TO CHAIR OR TO CHANGE STORMWATER CHARGES. THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. WE'RE BACK TO A RESOLUTION AS WE BOUNCE AROUND HERE BETWEEN OUR RESOLUTIONS AND OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. THIS WOULD BE A RESOLUTION COUNCIL. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AND 4.5 REGARDING THE CHANGE IN STORMWATER CHARGES COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THANK YOU MAYOR. JUST A REALLY BRIEF COMMENT I'M KIND OF ADDING TO WHAT YOU HAD SAID EARLY EARLIER RELATED TO ALL OF THESE CHARGES ACTUALLY ARE ALL OF THESE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY VOTING ON? I JUST WANT TO REMIND THOSE THE PUBLIC WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING THAT WE HAVE HAD HOURS, HOURS AND HOURS OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THESE INCREASES. AND SO FOR THOSE WHO ARE CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THAT DISCUSSION LOOK LIKE, I REALLY HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THEM TO GO BACK AND WATCH PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE AGAIN HOURS AND HOURS OF DISCUSSION AROUND THESE AND IT'S NOT JUST YOU KNOW I KNOW DURING THE CAMPAIGN SEASON THERE WAS THE YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S A SEVEN HOUR SIX OH VOTE AND OFTENTIMES IT'S BECAUSE WE SPEND SO MUCH TIME IN THESE CONVERSATIONS. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T THINK WE'RE JUST UP HERE APPROVING WITHOUT DISCUSSION. I APPREATEHAT COMMENT. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER AND PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF I MOVE QUICKLY TOO QUICKLY THROUGH SOME OF THESE THINGS. BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, WE LITERALLY I THINK ARE ON OUR FOURTH DISCUSSION ON A LOT OF THESE ITEMS AND THERE IS PLENTY OF TAPE TO BACK THAT UP AND SO AND GOOD DISCUSSION BUT WE ARE TO THIS POINT BECAUSE OF THAT DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD AND THE GOOD DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD BETWEEN COUNCIL WITH STAFF AND AND THIS IS WHERE WE AS I SAID THIS IS WHERE WE ENDED UP. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT COUNCIL ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AND THEN 4.5 THE RESOLUTIONO CHANGETORMWAR CHARGES HEARING NONE I LOOK FOR ACTION ON THIS RESOLUTION COUNCILMEMBER CARTER I MOVE TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING A BASIC SYSTEM FOR THE PURPOSE OF CALCULATING STORMWATER DRAINAGE CHARGES PURSUANT TO SECTION 16.15 OF THE CITY CODE . SO MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER SECOND MY COUNCILMEMBER ADOPTING THE RESOLUTION OF ESTABLISHING A BASIC SYSTEM RATE FOR THE PURPOSE OF CALCULATING STORMWATER DRAINAGE NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I AM OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO ITEM 4.6 IS THE RESOLUTION APPROVING THE 2024 UTILITY FUND BUDGETS IS CARLSON ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO ADD TO THIS AND MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBERS NOTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN JUST A PLUG FOR THE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE A CITY BUDGET PAGE SO IT'S RIGHT OFF THE THE LANDING PAGE THE HOME PAGE FOR THE CITY SO YOU CAN GET THE CITY BUDGET AND WE HAVE CUED UP ALL OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, ALL THE DISCUSSIONS RIGHT UO THAT POINT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO SEARCHING WITH PAST COUNCIL MEETINGS AND YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE PRESENTATIONS AND ALL THE DISCUSSION THERE AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT CLEAR FOR EVERYONE. COUNCIL ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE 2024 UTILITY FUND BUDGET? IF NOT AGAIN THIS IS A RESOLUTION AND LOOK FOR ACTION ON THIS RESOLUTION ON THAT IN 4.6. COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN MAYOR I WILL MOVE THAT WE ADOPT A RESOLUTION ADOPTING THE 2024 WATER WASTEWATER STORMWATER AND SOLID WASTE ENTERPRISE FUND BUDGETS SECOND MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER ADOPTING THE RESOLUTION TO ADOPT THE 2024 WATER WASTEWATER STORMWATER SOLID WASTE ENTERPRISE FUND BUDGETS NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MISS CARLSON THANKS FOR YOUR WORK OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS AS WE'VE PULLED ALL THIS TOGETHER. THANKS FOR YOUR WORK ALL SUMMER BASICALLY I KNOW YOU WERE THE FACE OF BLOOMINGTON IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT EVENTS AND TAKING IN THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND THE FEEDBACK AND AND APPRECIATE YOUR WILLGNES TO DO THATND THE ABILITY YOU DO THAT THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DO THAT AND DO IT AS EFFECTIVELY AS YOU DO BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE A GREAT REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE CITY IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS BUT CERTAINLY AS THE FACE OF THE CITY TALKING ABOUT SOMETIMES DIFFICULT ISSUES AND I KNOW YOU DO A FANTASTIC JOB WITH THAT SO THANK YOU. THANKS, WALDEN THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THAT. ABSOLUTELY. MOVING ON I DO DO ITEM 4.7 OUR LAST ITEM UNDER FOR OUR HEARINGS RESOLUTIONS ARE EXCUSE ME ARE HEARINGS ORDINANCES AND OR RESOLUTIONS. THANK YOU. I KNEW I HAD A RIGHT UNDERSTAND IN THE WRONG ORDER IS ITEM 4.7 THIS IS ALSO A PUBLIC HEARING AND THIS IS AN REGARDING OUR HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION AND THIS MATTER SITE GOING TO LEAD US THROUGH THIS AND I THINK THIS IS A KIND OF AN UPDATE AND A CLEANUP TO TO BRING US UP TO SPEED AND UP TO DATE IN A LOT OF OUR LANGUAGE WITHIN OUR HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION ORDINANCE AS OF SHAME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND MEMBERS I AM PRESENTING TONIGHT ALTHOUGH THIS IS THE RESULT SEVERAL PEOPLE'S WORK AMEERA MALIK WHO YOU'VE MET EARLIER THIS YEAR PETER ZUNIGA FAITH JACKSON ERIC HOLTHAUS DAY AND KIRBY MEMBERS OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ENGAGED ERIC COLEMAN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING THESE THE DOCUMENT BEFORE YOU AS WELL AS THE CITY'S FAIR HOUSING POLICY THAT YOU ACTED ON EARLIER TONIGHT ESSENTIALLY IT'S CLEAN UP BACK IN OCTOBER THIS BODY ACTED TO APPROVE SOME UPDATED BYLAWS FOR THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION. THIS ORDINANCE ALIGNS THE BYLAWS EXCUSE ME ALIGNS THE ORDINANCE WITH THOSE BAWS UPDATES WHICH BY AND LARGE WERE TO UPDATE THE DOCUMENT TO REFLECT WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING BOTH WITH STATE LAW CHANGES STATE LAW WORDS, DEPARTMENT NAMES THAT SORT OF THING AS WELL AS WHAT SORT OF TECHNICALLY HAPPENS ALL OF OUR COMMISSIONS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE HRA, THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE PORT AUTHORITY ALL OF THE OTHER ONES ARE ADVISOR ADVISORY TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE CLEAN UP THINGS THAT YOU SAW HAPPEN. THE OTHER THING THAT IS LATER ON IN THE ORDINANCE RELATES TO CONTRACT CONTRACTOR COMPLIANCE AND WE MADE SOME EDITS TO THAT SECTION OF THE CODE IN TO CLEAN UP THE PROCESS AND SHORTEN IT THE PROCESS THAT WAS WAS QUITE LONG AND WE WERE OF OPINION THAT WE WOULDN'T WANT TO WAIT AND GO THROUGH WEEKS AND WEEKS OF AN HEARINGS AND WHATNOT WHEN WE KNEW THAT WE COULD TAKE ACTION MUCH MORE QUICKLY TO ADDRESS A HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION. SO THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT THERE IS A REFERENCE TO A 1970 RESOLUTION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WE DID RESEARCH ON THAT AND CONCLUDED THAT WE DID NOT WANT TO WAIT TO UPDATE THIS ORDINANCE UNTIL WE HAD A CONCURRENT CONVERSATION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL BE A MEETING SUCH AS THAT IN 2024 AND THIS WOULD BE PLACED ON THAT AGENDA FOR FURTHER DISCUION. I SUSPECT THAT MIGHT BE TIME TO DUST IT OFF BUT I COULD BE WRONG TOO SO I BRING THIS BEFORE YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT THERE'S TWO ACTIONS ONE IS THE ORDINANCE AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS A SUMMARY PUBLICATION RESOLUTION AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MISS MADISON AND COUNCIL QUESTIONS ON THIS COUNCILMEMBER LAMENT YOU KNOW I DID ASK THE QUESTION EARLIER AND IT DIDN'TEALLY GET A RESPONSE. I MEAN I GUESS MY QUESTION I ASKED WITH REGARDS TO THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE WAS WITH THE PROCESS ITSELF IF WE ACTUALLY DID THE PROCESS WOULD THERE BE ,YOU KNOW, ANY LIABILITY RISK IF THERE WAS AN ERROR OR AN ISSUE WITH RESPECT TO CONDUCT IN THAT PROCESS IF WE ACTUALLY WERE DOING THAT THAT PROCESS MAY REMEMBER AS MANAGER AND COUNSEL AND COUNCIL MEMBER, CAN YOU DEFINE THE PROCESS THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING HER? WELL, THE PROCESS THAT I ASSUME THAT WE'RE ELIMINATING HERE WAS THE THE ABILITY OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION TO GO OUT AND ADVOCATE FOR FOLKS OR OR OR WORK THROUGH ISSUES. IF IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE GETTING INTO HERE. SO I MANAGEMENT MAY REMEMBER JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE TO WHAT IS SUBPARAGRAPH C ITHE TOP I GUESS WOULD BE AT THE TOP OF PAGE TWO OF THE ORDINANCE OR ARE YOU REFERRING THE CHANGES RELATED TO CONTRACTOR COMPLIANCE? I THINK IT'S C IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. OH OKAY. YEAH I THINK IT'S C I'M TRYING TO GET THERE. SURE. SO THIS IS ON THE TOP OF PAGE TWO OF THE ORDINANCE WE REMOVED THE REFERENCE ATTEMPTING TO CONCILIATE WITHIN ITS AUTHORITY AND INSTEAD MADE A CHANGE TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR THAT WHAT REALLY HAPPENS FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE IS THAT WERE REFERRING THOSE GRIEVANCES TO THE STATE ESSENTIALLY OR THE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT DEPENDING UPON WHAT IT IS AND . SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS ACTION RIGHT AWAY WE WOULD WANT TO REVIEW IT EXCUSE ME REFER THOSE ITEMS IMMEDIATELY TO THE STATE HUMAN RIGHTS DEPARTMENT OR TO THE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OR OTHER RELEVANT AGENCY. THIS IS A CHANGE THAT AS I UNDERSTAND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE BYLAW CHANGE. YEAH GREAT. MY QUESTION THOUGH IS THE LIABILITY PIECE. THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT GETTING. I G BECAUSE OF A PROCESS CHANGE. I TOTALLY GET THAT BUT THAT THAT WAS MY QUESTION. MAY MEMBERS I I'M STRUGGLING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE AS MUCH AS I UNDERSTAND IT THE HISTORY IT'S NEVER BEEN USED SO IF YOU'RE I COULD HYPOTHESIZE AS A POSSIBLE LET ME LET ME ASK IT THIS WAY IN OTHER CITIES THAT ACTUALLY DO USE THAT, IS THERE ANY LIABILITY FOR THE CITY IF THEY DO THAT? MAYOR REMEMBERS WE REVIEWED THE ORDINANCES OF LOTS OF OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSIONS. SEVERAL CITIES HAVE GOTTEN RID OF THEM ALTOGETHER OR. THEY HAVE ENLARGED THEIR SCOPE OF AUTHORITY TO ALL CIVIL RIGHTS AND FOR EXAMPLE, MINNEAPOLIS IS MUCH LARGER IN ITS SCOPE. IT IS NOT I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT LIABILITY OF OTHER HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSIONS THAT THAT'S HOW IT AFFECTS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COUNCIL ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS SEEING NONE THANK YOU MS. MANAGER I DID 4.7 IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION ORDINANCE ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WISHING TO SPEAK TO AM 4.7 THIS EVENING NO ONE COMING FORWARD. MR. SABLE MR. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS NO ON THE LINE LAST CALL FOR ANYONE IN E CHAMBERSO SPEAK TO IN 4.7 COUNCIL NO ONE ON THE PHONE. NO COMING FORWARD IN THE CHAMBERS I'D LOOK FOR MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IT ENDED 4.7 SO A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER BOWMAN BY COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN WHO CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING ON IT AND 4.7 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I PROPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING IT OUT AND 4.7 COUNCIL ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON THIS? IF NOT I WOULD LOOK FOR ACTION VERY HAPPY WITH SEVEN COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN HAPPY TO MAKE THAT MOTION ME TO APPROVED ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER TWO OF THE CITY CODE RELATED TO THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION AND THE CONTRACT COMPLIANCE MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER GORMAN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER TWO OF THE CITY CODE RELATED TO THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION AND CONTRACT COMPLIANCE ANY FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION HEREIN? NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSE THE MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO COUNCIL MEMBER ALONE SUMMARY PUBLICATION REMOVED APPROVE A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING SUMMARY PUBLICATION OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER TWO OF THE CITY CODE RELATED TO THE HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION IN CONTRACT COMPLIANCE MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN FOR SUMMARY PUBLICATION AND THEN 4.7 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I ALWAYS THE MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO THANK YOU MS.. MANAHAN THANKS FOR THE CLEANUP. APPRECIATE IT. AN THAT WRAPS U ITEM FOUR ON OUR AGENDA. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE OUR ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS AND OUR FIRST INFORMATIONAL ITEM IS ITEM POINT ONE. THIS IS REGARDING OUR BUSINESS ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, OUR BUSINESS CONTINUUM, OUR SITE AND FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, OUR BUSINESS RETENTION PROGRAM A PARTRIDGE IN A PEAR TREE. AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A GOOD PORTION OF OUR PORT AUTHORITY HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS MY NAME IS HOLLY MESSICK. I AM THE PORT AUTHORITY ADMINISTRATOR AND I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUES MEREDITH FENWICK, BARB WOLF AND NICK JOHNSON. THE PORT AUTHORITY RECENTLY UNDERWENT SIGNIFICANT ORGANIZATIONAL CHANGES EXPANDING BOTH ITS GEOGRAPHY AND THE TYPES OF SERVICES OFFERED. THE PORT AUTHORITY, WHICH PREVIOUSLY WORKED EXCLUSIVE WITHIN SOUTH LOOP, NOW OFFERS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CITYWIDE. THE PORT IS NOW HAS ALSO ADDED BUSINESS ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS. PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON SMALL BUSINESSES TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND PLACEMAKING SERVICES ALREADY OFFERED BY OUR TEAM. A NEW STAFF PERSON POSITION WAS CREATED TO SERVE AS A LIAISON TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND WOLF DURING THE PORT AUTHORITY IN THIS ROLE IN 2023. THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON BEGAN FOCUSING MORE ATTENTION ON SMALL BUSINESS SUPPORT DURING COVID 19 AS THE CITY BEGAN LOOKING FOR EFFICIENT WAYS TO DISTRIBUTE FEDERAL RELIEF FUNDING, IT FOUND THAT IT DID NOT HAVE AN EASY WAY TO REACH THIS GROUP OF CONSTITUENTS. FROM THERE THE CITY BEGAN CREATING PROGRAMS TO DEVELOP RELATIONSHIPS WITH AND SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES INCLUDING DEVELOPING THE FACADE IMPROVEMENT AND RETENTION PROGRAMS THAT YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT THIS EVENING. SMALL AND LARGE BUSINESSES PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN SUPPORTING BLOOMINGTON'S ECONOMY. AS YOU ALL WELL KNOW THEY PROVIDE EMPLOYMENT, CONTRIBUTE TO THE TAX BASE AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER WITH LOCAL GOODS AND SERVICES. IN ADDITION SMALL INDEPENDENT BUSINESSES CONTRIBUTE TO BLOOMINGTON'S UNIQUENESS AND SENSE OF PLACE. AT THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE I HAVE THE CLICKER. MM AS A TEAM IN THE PORT AUTHORITY EXPANDS BUSINESS ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS TARGETED AT SMALLER BUSINESSES, IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE PROGRAMS WILL JOIN A LARGER SUITE OF SERVICES MEANT TO ASSIST BLOOMINGTON'S BUSINESSES EVERY STAGE FROM STARTUP TO EXPANSION. THIS EVENING I PRESENT TO YOU BLOOMINGTON'S BUSINESS CONTINUUM WHICH SHOWS THE RANGE OF SERVICES AVAILABLE TO BUSINESSES OF ALL SIZES THAT OPERATE WITHIN THE CITY. THE BUSINESS CONTINUUM IS MEANT TO BE A LIVING DOCUMENT WILL GROW AND ADJUST AS OUR COMMUNITY CHANGES. THE DOCUMENTS SW IS BUSINESS STAGES FROM START UP TO EXPANSION AND BREAKS THE PROGRAMS WE OFFER INTO THREE CATEGORIES. INFORMATION CONNECTION AND PROMOTION. GRANTS. LOANS AND ASSISTANCE AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND CONSULTATION PROGRAMS MAY GROW OUT OF DIFFERENT CITY DEPARTMENTS AND TEAMS AND YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT SOME TODAY OR INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL COLLABORATIONS. BUT THE PORT AUTHORITY WILL WORK TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE COHESIVE UNDERSTOOD BY OUR CITY COLLEAGUES AND PROMOTED TO OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY. ITS ALSO IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE PORT AUTHORITY IS ONE ENTITY IN A WIDER REGIONAL TEAM THAT SUPPORTS BLOOMINGTON'S DEVELOPMENT. EXTERNAL PARTNERS PROVIDE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND CONSULTATION TO OUR BUSINESSES HELP AMPLIFY OUR MESSAGE TO THEIR OWN AUDIENCES, OFFER LOANS AND GRANTS AND COLLABORATE ON REGIONAL BUSINESS ATTRACTION EFFORTS. SO GREATER DETAIL WHAT WE HAVE HERE AND I APOLOGIZE THIS ONE IS DENSE BUT LOOKING FROM SMALL BUSINESSES TO LARGE BUSINESSES THE TOP AND SMALL BUSINESSES TO US ARE TECHNICALLY FEWER THAN 500 EMPLOYEES. BUT IN BLOOMINGTON WE'RE PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON EMPLOYEES WITH FEWER THAN 50. WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM FROM LEFT TO RIGHT FROM IDEATION AND STARTUP TO EARLY STAGE AND LAUNCHING TO OPERATING, GROWING AND EXPANDING AND RELOCATING. YOU'LL SEE IT ON THE LEFT. BLOOMINGTON IS PROVIDING A NUMBER OF SERVICES AND THEN WE LEAN ON OUR PARTNERS FOR OTHERS IN THE TOP BAND OF BLOOMINGTON SERVICES WE HAVE INFORMATION, CONNECTION AND PROMOTION. WE HAVE A PROGRAM CALLED WELCOMING WEDNESDAYS WHICH INVITES OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO COME INTO CITY HALL AND SPEAK TO CONLTAN OF OURS. WE'RE WORKING ON DEVELOPING A SMALL BUSINESS CENTER WHICH SHOULD OPEN NEXT YEAR. WE HAVE A GROWING BUSINESS RESOURCE NEWSLETTER NEWSLETTER WHERE WE CAN SHARE RESOURCES FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. BARB WOLFE WORKS ON ASSISTING BUSINESSES WITH PERMITTING THAT CAN BE COMPLICATED AND INTIMIDATING TO A NEW BUSINESS. DO OFTEN ACROSS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TALK TO DIFFERENT BUSINESSES ABOUT SITE SELECTION AND BROKER REFERRAL AS THEY LOOK FOR SPECIFIC SITES. OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM WORKS CLOSELY WITH US TO PROMOTE BUSINESSES IN THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE PROACTIVELY PERFORMING BUSINE RETTION VISITS NOW GOING TO VISIT BOTH SMALL SMALL BUSINESSES AS WELL AS LARGE. WE OFFER BUSINESS NETWORKING WITH A NUMBER OF PARTNERS INCLUDING OUR REGIONAL CHAMBER HACH BLOOMINGTON YOU HEARD ABOUT RECENTLY WHICH HAS A NEW COMPETITIVE PITCH PROGRAM. AND THEN WE HAVE THE WORKFORCE BLOOMINGTON COMMITTEE LED BY OUR MAYOR WHICH INCLUDES EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS AND LARGE BUSINESSES. MOVING DOWN TO GRANTS, LOANS AND INCENTIVES. YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THE SITE AND FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM TONIGHT AS WELL AS THE RETENTION PROGRAM WE HAVE SET CREDIT AND DEFERRAL THAT WAS DEVELOPED DURING COVID. WE HAVE A BUSINESS SUBSIDY PROGRAM. WE HELP MANY LARGE BUSINESSES WITH STATE, COUNTY AND FEDERAL GRANTS. AND THEN WE HAVE FINANCIAL PROGRAMS LIKE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING THAT WE USE AS WELL . AND FINALLY WE DO LEAN A LOT ON PARTNERS FOR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND CONSULTATION. THERE ARE SO MANY RESOURCES AVAILABLE IN THE AREA AND SO TWO POPULAR ONES THAT WE USE ARE OPEN TO BUSINESS WHICH IS RUN BY THE METROPOLITAN CONSORTIUM OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPERS AND ELEVATE HENNEPIN BY HENNEPIN COUNTY THAT REFERS TO FREE CONSULTING. AND THEN HENNEPIN ALSO RUNS SEVERAL COHORT PROGRAMS FOR NEW AND EXPANDING BUSINESSES. AND BLOOMINGTON AND BROOKLYN PARK ARE ACTUALLY PILOT LOCATIONS FOR THE NEWEST ONE WHICH IS CEO START AND YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT IN THE END OF THIS YEAR AND THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR. AND WITH THAT I WILL TURN THAT OVER TO NIK JOHNSON, SENIOR PLANNER TO TALK ABOUT OUR SITE AND FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAMS. THANKS HOLLY. THREE MEMBERS SO HAPPY TO PRESENT TO YOU INFORMATIONAL UPDATE ABOUT OUR PROPOSED SITE AND FACADE IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM . SO FIRST OF ALL JUST WHY PURSUE A PROGRAM LIKE THIS YOU MAY OFTEN HEAR ABOUT THEM MORE IN KIND OF HISTORIC DOWNTOWNS OR OTHER AREAS THAT ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE KIND OF A UNIFORM ESTHETIC. BUT THE MORE WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT CD WHICH IS WHERE THESE DISCUSSIONS REALLY LAUNCHED BETWEEN AS A COLLABORATION BETWEEN PLANNING STAFF AND PORT STAFF WAS THAT THERE REALLY IS KIND OF A MISSING LINK OF PROGRAMING THAT YOU CANFFER SMALL BUSINESSES, MANY OF WHICH ARE BUYBACK AND WOMEN OWNED TOOLS IN ORDER TO IMPROVE THEIR SITES. AND HISTORICALLY BLOOMINGTON HAS DONE SOME LARGER REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS OF SOME COMMERCIAL NODES. BUT WHAT WE FELT WAS KIND OF MISSING IS KIND OF THAT LOWER HANGING TOOL OR THAT SMALLER TOOL IN ORDER TO IMPROVE SITES FROM THEIR CURRENT CONDITION WITHOUT THE KIND OF THE HARDSHIP OR SOME OF THE DIFFICULTY THAT CAN RESULT FROM FOR REDEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT MADE US LOOK TOWARDS THIS AND OF COURSE WE KNOW THAT SOME OF OUR AGING COMMERCIAL NODES HAVE BEEN A LONGSTANDING PRIORITY OF BOTH THIS COUNCIL AND COUNCIL'S PAST. SO THAT'S WHY WE LOOK TO THIS PROGRAM IN TERMS OF PURPOSE REALLY JUST STRAIGHTFORWARD JUST TO ENHANCE THE PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT AND THE BUILDING ESTHETICS OF COMMERCIAL NODES IN BLOOMINGTON. SO I YOU KNOW, YOU CAN KIND OF LOOK AT SOME OF THESE KEY PURPOSE STATEMENTS ON THE SCREEN BUT REALLY WHAT YOU'RE THE KEY CONNECTION IS WHAT ARE THE ELIGIBLE ACTIVITIES? AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE PURPOSE IS. IT'S TO IMPROVE THE VIBRANCY THESE SPACES TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ACTIVATION AND MORE, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRN CONNECTIONS, PATIOS BUT ALSO JUST IMPROVING THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES. JUST GETTING TO THE BASICS OF HOW IT'S PUT TOGETHER. THE MINIMUM GRANT AMOUNT WOULD BE A $5,000 GRANT WITH A MAXIMUM AWARD OF $25,000. THIS WOULD BE A 1 TO 1 MATCH. SO PART OF THE PART THE PLAY HERE IS ALSO TO INCENTIVIZE INVESTMENT AND IMPROVEMENT OF SITES BY PROPERTY OWNERS AND TENANTS. I WILL NOTE THAT RELATED TO THE MONEY I'M NOT REALLY THE MONEY GUY BUT THE RELATED TO THE MONEY. WE GOT SOME GOOD NEWS THAT HENNEPIN COUNTY IS GOING TO AWARD BLOOMINGTON WITH A $35,000 GRANT TO HELP LAUNCH THIS PROGRAM AND HELP BUILD THE BUDGET. SO THAT WAS EXCITING NEWS THAT WE GOT. BARB WOLF WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THAT GET INTO THE ELIGIBLE EXPENSES. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO RATTLE THE LIST BUT HOPEFULLY WHAT WE'RE KEYING IN ON IS THINGS THAT WE THINK MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN ORDER TO IMPROVE THE VIBRANCY AND ESTHETIC CONDITNS OSOME OF THESE SITES AND WHAT IT'S REALLY NOT INTENDED TO DO IS JUST DO GENERAL MAINTENANCE. SO I THINK THE STAFF WILL HAVE SOME JUST GENERAL DISCRETION TO ENSURE THAT. IT'S REALLY KIND OF FURTHERING THAT PURPOSE AND INTENT AS SHOWN IN THE POLICY. SO I MENTIONED IN ELIGIBLE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE PARKING LOT IMPROVEMENTS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT OTHER YOU KNOW, PROPERTIES WHICH ARE COSTLY DOUBT BUT DON'T FURTHER THAT PURPOSE. WE HAVE BEEN DOING SOME ENGAGENT CERTAINLY WE DID THE ONLINE ENGAGEMENT PIECE LIKE WE TYPICALLY DO BUT MYSELF AND SEVERAL OTHER STAFF BEEN OUT DOOR KNOCKING SOME OF THESE COMMERCIAL SITES AND WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON IS B-2 AND BEFORE ZONE SITES THOSE ARE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONE SITES WHERE. ALL OF THE EIGHT PRIORITY NODES ARE LOCATED BUT BUT OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN BLOOMINGTON AND I WILL SAY THAT THEY WERE VERY APPRECIATIVE AND EXCITED JUST TO BE TALKING TO CITY STAFF ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I THINK OFTEN AS I MENTIONED, I THINK THE CITY'S EFFORTS HAVE BEEN FOCUSED MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON REDEVELOPMENT IN THE PAST. SO THEY WERE EXCITED ABOUT THIS AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BUT THEY WERE THEY WERE HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH US. SO I THINK THAT WE WILL GET SOME APPLICATIONS. OOPS. YEAH. SO WE DID YEAH I KNEW IT. WE DID DO AN AREA ON THIS. WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS NO UNINTENDED NEGATIVE KIND OF RESULTING FROM THIS POLICY AND IN FACT SUPPORTING SMALL BUSINESS IS ALSO A MEANS TO SUPPORT BIPOC AND WOMEN OWNED BUSINESSES IN BLOOMINGTON. YOU KNOW THE BETTER THESE SITES FEEL THE MORE SUCCESSFUL THOSE BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO BE AND ATTRACTING NEW PATRONS AND NEW CUSTOMERS. SO WE WERE PLEASED WITH THAT. AND THEN JUST IN TERMS OF GENERAL ALIGNMENT, OF COURSE IF YOU WANT TO CREATE A REMARKABLE CITY TO LIVE IN THEN YOU NEED TO CREATE REMARKABLE PLACES AND WE THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A TOOL THAT HELPS DO THAT. AND THEN OF COURSE ONE OF THE BIG PRIORITIES IS EQUITABLE ECONOMIC GROWTH AS I MENTIONED ,WE THINK THAT THIS PROJECT WILL HELP OUR BUSINESSES AT THESE PRIORITY SITES THROUGH TH ADMISTRATION OF THIS PROGRAM. SO IT'S KIND OF A PILOT. THE PORT I THINK IS COMMITTED TO REVIEWING IT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS TO SEE HOW EFFECTIVE IT IS. BUT THIS IS KIND OF THE KICKOFF. SO HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS BUT OTHERWISE I'M GOING TO PASS IT OFF TO MEREDITH DOING COOL QUESTIONS AT ALL. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. YEAH, I GOT A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS. HOW EXACTLY IS THIS FUNDED OTHER THAN WE GOT THE GRANT FROM HENNEPIN COUNTY? WILL IT BE THE PORT LEVY OR OTHER PORT LEVY? MAYOR THAT'S COUNCILOR NELSON THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THE TWO QUESTIONS I HAVE IN TERMS OF THE THE THIS PROGRAM, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THE MONEY GOES TO THE SMALL BUSINESS FOR UPDATES BECAUSE I LOOK AT A LOT OF THESE COMMERCIAL NODES AND I LOOKED AT THE ONE IN MY DISTRICT AND I MEAN THE ECONOMICS THERE ARE THE PRICE THE MARKET VALUE OF IT BY LIKE $2.3 MILLION. THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY A REALLY SMALL BUSINESS THAT OWNS THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO BE GIVING THEM SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY FRO THE LEVY TO HELP UPDATE THAT. YET THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF THIS THAT GO TOWARDS SIGNAGE AND LIKE THAT THAT WOULD BE USED BY THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE TENANTS. HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THE MONEY GOES TO THE SMALL BUSINESS AND NOT FRANKLY A LARGER ENTITY PROPERTY OWNER THAT IN ALL LIKELIHOOD MAY NOT NEED MONEY AND I DON'T BEGRUDGE THEM FOR BEING SUCCESSFUL IN OWNING PROPERTY. THAT'S THAT'S GREAT. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT OUR MONEY SHOULD BE USED TO INCENTIVIZE. SO THAT'SY FIRST QUESTION THEN I HAVE ONE OTHER ONE YEAH. MAYOR COMES FROM NELSON AND I WELCOME PORT STAFF TO SPEAK TO HOW THEY'LL ADMINISTRATE AND ADMINISTER IT EVENTUALLY. BUT I THINK ONE OF THE WAYS YOU DO THAT IS YOU ALLOW TENANTS TO APPLY. I MEAN THEY DO TEND TO SEEK PROPERTY OWNER IT IS PROPERTY OWNERS BUILDING SO YOU DO WANT TO EMPOWER THEM TO APPLY AS TENANTS. THAT'S ONE WAY THAT YOU DO THAT. ANOTHER WAY IS THAT YOU DO THE ENGAGEMENT WITH TENANTS AS OPPOSED TO JUST MAILING IT OFF TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO YOU KNOW AND BARB HOLLY OTHER PORT STAFF WHO ENGAGE WITH BUSINESSES A LOT THEY'RE THEY'RE ALREADY PROMOTING THIS AS A MEANS TO DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS SO I RECOGNIZE THAT CONCERN DEFINITELY DOES EXIST AS FAR AS OTHER ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THOSE THINGS BUT THEY ALWAYS DO HAVE A LEGAL COMPONENT AS WELL. YEAH SO BUT YES I THINK IT'S HOW YOU GET THE WORD OUT AND HOW YOU WHO YOU ENCOURAGE TO APPLY AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS JUST DON'T TALK TO LEGAL SO SO MY SECOND QUESTION IS IN SOME WAYS IS THIS COUNTERPRODUCTIVE SOME OF OUR OTHER GOALS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AND DONE A LOT WITH COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORHOOD NODES AND HAVE TALKED ABOUT A CONCEPT OF REDEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF NEWER FORMATS WHERE WE HAVE THE PARKING LOTS IN THE BACK OF THEM SIMILAR TO WHAT HAS HAPPENED AT OLD SHOCK AP AND FRANCE AVENUE AND SOME OTHER PLACES. I MEAN WE DID THE YOU KNOW LYNDALE RETROFIT WITH THAT GOAL IN MIND IS INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE TO UPDATE THESE SPACES COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO REDEVELOPMENT IN THE LONG TERM AND MARY COUNCILOR NELSON I THINK YOU DEFINITELY WANT TO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT. THE ONE THING I'D SAY HAVING WORKED ON YOU KNOW SOME OF THESE COMMERCIAL NODES IN THE PAST IS THAT SOMETIMES WHEN IT IS OF AN ALL OR NOTHING YOU'RE SETTING THE BAR PRETTY HARD ARE PRETTY HIGH TO MAKE THAT PROJECT GO OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED WILLING PARTICIPANTS EITHER SELLERS AND OR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TAKE THAT FULL BLOWN THAT PROJECT OF THAT AND THEY HAVE IF THEY HAVE YOU KNOW, GOOD OCCUPANCY RATES SOMETIMES JUST NOT GOING TO OCCUR IF THEY'RE GETTI GOO REVEE FROM THE BUILDING SO IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THAT APPROACH ISN'T DEFINITELY WARRANTED IN SOME LOCATIONS AND WOULD MEET OTHER CITY GOALS. JUST THINK ADDING THIS TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX WOULD BE BENEFICIAL AND THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTIES NOT IN THOSE PRIORITY NODES WHERE I THINK THAT MORE SIGNIFICANT INTERVENTION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD ALSO BENEFIT ALONG LYNDALE AND OTHER PLACES. SO YEAH, LET'S REMEMBER LOHMANN IF I CAN KIND OF PICK UP WHERE COUNCILMEMBER NELSON LEFT OFF BECAUSE I WITH ONE OF THESE PURPOSES BEING THAT TO PROVIDE TOOLS AND STRATEGIES SUPPORT OF SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE DISPLACED IN REDEVELOPMENT THAT IS THAT'S STILL A PART OF THIS PROGRAM OR DATASET OR IS IT THE NEXT ONE OKAY. I'M AHEAD OF MYSELF HERE. OKAY. I'M WAY AHEAD OF MYSELF. OKAY. SO LET ASK MY OTHER QUESTIONS THEN. OKAY. I WILL. THANK YOU. SO THEN YOU KNOW WE HAVE THESE THESE THESE PURPOSES THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM. MY QUESTION IS WHAT DOES SUCCESS LOOK LIKE WHEN YOU KNOW, WE'RE SAID AND DONE AND WE'VE WE'VE SAID ALL THIS MONEY, YOU KNOW, IN THESE PARTICULAR PROJECT DEPRESSION I KNOW THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME EVALUATIONS THAT I HAVE SOME THAT'S MY KIND OF MY SECONDARY QUESTION IS AROUND HOW WE'RE GOING TO EVALUATE THAT BUT YOU KNOW AS A POLICYMAKER, YOU KNOW, HERE ARE THE PURPOSES THAT YOU'VE GOT LAID OUT HERE. HOW DO I KNOW WHAT SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE? YEAH. AMERICAN SUMMER LOWMAN THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN CERTAINLY ON SOME HOPEFULLY THE PRICE OF THE PROGRAM IS GOING TO SUPPORT PROJECTS THAT LOOK AND MAKE THESE SITES FUNCTION AND FEEL BETTER. SO THAT'S ONE PIECE OF IT. THE SECOND PIECE IS CERTAINLY YOU CAN LOOK I MEAN IT'S GOING TO TAKE YEARS TO FIGURE SOME OF THAT OUT. BUT IF THE OVERALL PERFORMANCE OF SOME OF THOSE MULTITENANT SPACES IMPROVE AND JUST FROM AN OCCUPANCY OR RENT STANDPOINT CERTAINLY OUR ASSESSING STAFF LOOK AT THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER WAY TO EVALUATE HOW THIS PROJECT HAS INCENTIVIZED SOME INVESTMENT AND. I THOUGHT MAYBE COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YOU MIGHT ASK ME ABOUT JUST THE AMOUNT OF MONEY. OBVIOUSLY CONSTRUCTION IS VERY COSTLY RIGHT NOW. HOW FAR DOES $50,000 OR 25 IN TERMS OF THE MAJORRANT GO ? BUT IF IT'S JUST THAT LITTLE EXTRA ADDED PUSH TO KIND OF GET SOMETHING GOING AT A SITE, WE THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY BENEFICIAL. SO WE'RE GOING TO MEASURE IT JUST IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF PROJECTS IF WE'RE ACTUALLY USING THESE FUNDS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS THAT'S MAKING PROJECTS GO THAT OTHERWISE WOULD NOT AND WE CAN TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT THAT THAT THAT'LL BE THE REAL TEST. AND AS I SAID THEY WILL LOOK AT IT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. AND THEN FINALLY IN TERMS OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS, THERE'S RENEWED SCRUTINY IN THE COMMUNITY AROUND PEOPLE APPLYING FOR THINGS. HAS STAFF AT ALL LOOKED AT WHAT THAT APPLICATION LOOKS LIKE AND HOW YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST LOOKING AN ANSWER TODAY. BUT HAS THAT BEEN A PART OF THE DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW, HOW THAT APPLICATION PROCESS LOOKS LIKE AND YOU KNOW WHAT IT HELPFUL TO MOVE THEIR WAY THROUGH THAT PROCESS? MAYOR COUNTS FURLOUGHS MOMENT AND HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION INTERNAL TO STAFF. WE ORIGINALLY STARTED WITH A VERY GRANDIOSE SCORING SYSTEM AND CRITERIA WITH AN OPEN APICATION WINDOW WITH THE AWARD AT THE END OF THE YEAR. BUT AFTER TALKING TO THE MINNEAPOLIS REGIONAL CHAMBER AND OTHER ENTITIES THAT KIND OF ADMINISTER TYPES OF PROGRAMS, THEY IMPRESSED UPON US THAT BEING ABLE TO BE NIMBLE AND FAST IS ACTUALLY REALLY IMPORTANT IN A LOT OF THESE CIRCUMSTANCES BECAUSE IF YOU CAN GET IF SOME OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS HELP A BUSINESS GET ESTABLISHED THAT TIME WINDOW CAN BE EIGHT OR SIX, SIX OR EIGHT WEEKS OF TIME IN ORDER TO MAKE SOMETHING GO. SO ONE THING THEY IMPRESSED UPON US IS NOT TO DO A KIND OF RIGID SCORING CRITERIA THAT ALL MEETS OR ALL IS DECIDED AT EITHER ONE OR TWO POINTS OF THE YEAR. SO THAT'S ONE THING AN EASIER APPLICATION PROCESS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE DID FOCUS ON. SO WE DID WE WENT AWAY FROM THE KIND OF THE GRANDIOSE SCORING CRITERIA AND I WILL SAY APPRECIATE THAT. YOU KNOW, I ALSO THINK THERE'S SOME EQUITY COMPONENTS OF THAT TO THEM. BUT ONE THING I WOULD WANT TO WANT TO JUST AS ADVICE IS JUST IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO EXPLAIN OUR PROCESS AND IN TERMS OF I KNOW WE YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND THAT KIND OF THING. AND SO THE DECISION MAKING WAS VERY CLEAR IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S MADE AND WE CAN KIND OF , YOU KNOW, LAY THAT OUT AND MAKE IT MAKE SENSE SO THAT FOLKS DON'T FEEL THAT THERE'S SOME KIND OF SPECIAL ADVANTAGE OF THAT KIND OF THING AND I KNOW STAFF IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. SO AGAIN NOT LOOKING FOR JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE I STATED THAT NO THANK YOU. I WELCOME THAT COMMENT FOR SURE. COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN THANK YOU MAYOR. I'M SORRY WE ALMOST KEPT CRUISIN THEN WE OPENED UP THE QUESTIONS. IT WAS I I ASKED FOR IT. I APOLOGIZE. THIS MIGHT BE KIND OF A ELEMENTARY QUESTION I GUESS ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CODE DEFICIENCY OF SITES . ARE WE ANTICIPATING THE CODE DEFICIENCIES WE'RE SEEING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY? I'M PICTURING SAY KIND OF A TIRED STRIP MALL? ARE THOSE DEFICIENCIES LARGELY THE RESPONSIBILITIES THE OWNER AT THIS POINT OR ARE WE SEEING A LOT OF DEFICIENCIES THAT WOULD BE SAY IN INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES SIGNAGE IN THAT LARGER STRIP MALL I'M JUST TRYING TO PICTURE ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO CODE STUFF WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR MOST WHAT WE'RE SEEING OUT THERE, YOU KNOW. YEAH. COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE TO DEAL WITH THAT ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY. SO YEAH THAT MAKES SENSE. AND JUST GETTING BACK TO I KNOW I'VE MENTIONED IT WAY BACK IN THE PAST BUT MAYBE A CONVERSATION FOR NEXT YEAR AGAIN BECAUSE IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH WHEN IT COMES TO CODE DEFICIENT BUSINESSES FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE STRICTURES THAT STATE LAW PUTS ON SAY OUR FINE STRUCTURE THAT WE CAN LEVY AGAINST BUSINESSES THAT ARE CONSISTENTLY OUT OF COMPLIANCE AND IT BEING A LOW ENOUGH AMOUNT WHERE SOME BUSINESSES JUST WORK IT INTO THEIR BUSINESS MODEL AND WRITE THE CHECK TIME AND TIME AGAIN. SO I'M TREMENDOUSLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND APPRECIATE THE WORK. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN ADEQUATE I WE'VE GOT THIS GOOD OF A CARROT WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A MORE FUNCTIONAL STICK TO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. LET'S PRESIDENT I'M STILL HERE . I'LL BE HERE ALL NIGHT. OH GOT FOR ME. GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS MAYOR TONIGHT I'M A PRESENT TO OUR BUSINESS RETENTION PROGRAM . SO WHY THIS PROGRAM? IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE VERY SIMILAR TO NICK'S FACADE IMPROVEMENT THAT THIS ORIGINATED FROM THE CD3 WK PLAN OF 2022 AND 2023. IN THE SUMMER OF 2022 WE CAME TO YOU AND CITY COUNCIL TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT OUR INITIATIVES ,WHAT WAS ON OUR WORK PLAN AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ONE OF OUR SUBCOMMITTEES WAS WORKING WAS DOING SOME RESEARCH INTO DISPLACEMENT AND ANTI DISPLACEMENT POLICIES AND HOW THOSE MIGHT FIT INTO THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. SO AS MANY OF OUR SMALL BUSINESSES ARE UNDERSERVED BUSINESSES ARE AN AGING BUSINESS NODES AND THIS RETENTION PROGRAM WOULD STRIVE TO BE A TOOL BOTH FINANCIALLY TO SUPPORT WHEN THESE LOCATIONS WOULD LOOK TO REDEVEPMENT. IN THIS CASE WE DID NOT ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC ON THIS MOSTLY BECAUSE IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE KNEW THAT THIS WAS A BENEFIT. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN THE CITY TO SUPPORT DISPLACEMENT FOR BUSINESSES SO WE SAW THAT AS A PLUS. WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IN SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS WHEN YOU'RE MENTIONING RELOCATION OF DISPLACEMENT, IF WE BROUGHT THAT TO THE PUBLIC IT MIGHT BE PERCEIVED THAT THERE COULD BE A PROJECT ALREADY UNDER HAND AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE THE MISCONCEPTION OR UNDUE CONCERN. SO THE PURPOSE FOR THIS IS TO BETTER ENSURE THAT WE CONTINUE TO CULTIVATE A DIVERSE, VIBRANT BUSINESS COMMUNITY. THIS PROGRAM WOULD PROVIDE A PATH TO MAINTAIN BUSINESSES WITHIN BLOOMINGTON CITY LIMITS WITH INITIAL OPTIONS WHEN FACING DISPLACEMENT AND RELOCATION. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING THESE SMALL BUSINESSES PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS. SO FOR THOSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO APPLY FOR THIS, IT WOULD BE AN ONLINE APPLICATION THEY'D HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PRECEDING STEPS IN THIS CASE THE INTENT AND HOPE FOR WOULD BE A ONE YEAR FORGIVABLE LOAN S THA IF YOU DO APPLY FOR THIS YOU DO GET THE EITHER MINIMUM AMOUNT OF 5000 OR MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF 15,000 PER BOWER BORROWER IF YOU WERE ABLE TO RETAIN IN YOUR NEW LOCATION WITHIN THOSE 12 MONTHS YOU COULD HAVE THIS BE FORGIVABLE. THE FUNDS WOULD BE ON A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS. SOME OF THE ELIGIBLE EXPENSES FOR THIS WOULD INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING THAT ARE LISTED HERE AS MANY NO PERMIT FEES OR EXPENSES IT COULD HELP WITH LEASE PAYMENTS, INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS SO REMOVING OR RELOCATION RELOCATING COULD BE QUITE EXPENSIVE AND ELIGIBLE EXPENSES WOULD INCLUDE SOME OF THE FOLLOWING YOUR ACCOUNTS PAYABLE INVENTORY COST OR DIRECT BUSINESS RELATED BILLS WOULD BE SOME OF THE FEW THAT WE WOULD NOT INCLUDE IN THESE EXPENSES OR ELIGIBLE OUR RACIAL EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT WAS DONE AND THAT SIMILAR TO NIK'S THAT WE FOUND THAT THIS WOULD ONLY BE A BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THIS CURRENTLY ANY OF OUR CITY PROGRAMS AND WE FELT WE'D BE CONTINUING TO UPLIFT OUR SMALL BUSINESSES SO THE RESEARCH THAT WE DID SEEMED LIKE THIS WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO THOSE IN OUR SMALL BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND ALIGNMENT WITH OUR CITYWIDE PLANS AND PRIORITIES AND WE BELIEVE IT ALIGNS WITH OUR BLOOMINGTON TAMAR TOGETHER. IT HELPS WITH THAT EQUITABLE ECONOMIC GROWTH. PUBLIC RELATIONS COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING STRATEGY WE'RE THERE TO HELP ADVANCE OUR BUSINESS ADVOCATES AND OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND OUR PORT AUTHORITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FIVE YEAR PLAN THIS DIRECTLY TO THE RETENTION PORTION AND THE EXPANSION OF THAT PLAN. LET'S TAKE IT BACK. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS PROGRAM QUESTIONS? COUNCIL LOWMAN IS THE CENTER OR NOT SO I SEE THAT THERE'S A FORGIVABLE LOAN SLASH GRANT. WHY NOT A GRANT. WHY A LOAN? YEAH. SO WE WERE ADVISED TO CALL THIS A LOAN THIS CASE VERSUS A GRANT THE INTENT BEING THAT IF WE WERE WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THESE FUNDS UPFRONT. SO UNLIKE THE MATCHING PLAN OF THE FACADE IROVEMENT THESE WOULD BE GIVEN TO THOSE TO RECALL TO RELOCATE IT IMMEDIATELY. IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED LIKE A LOAN AT FIRST ONCE THEY SUPPLY THEMSELVES WITH A SIGNED LEASE WITHIN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND THOSE CITY LIMITS IF THEY CAN MAINTAIN STAYING IN THAT LOCATION WITHIN THE 12 MONTHS OF THAT LOAN DISBURSEMENT IT WOULD BE THEN FORGIVABLE. SO THE HOPE IS THAT WE'RE HELPING GET OUR SMALL BUSINESSES OVER THE HUMP OF THAT RELOCATION STAYING IN BLOOMINGTON AND YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING A THRIVING BUSINESS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABITY SUPPORT THAT RELOCATION. SO THE HOPE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS GOT INTO THEIR HANDS RIGHT AWAY, WENT TO THE PROCESS OF MOVING AND RELOCATE AND HOPEFULLY A COST THAT THEY THEY COULD HAVE FORGIVEN AT THE END OF THE DAY AS LONG AS THEY STAY IN BLOOMINGTON, IS THERE ANY CONCERN ALL IN TERMS OF THE HEALTH OF ANY OF THESE BUSINESSES IN TERMS OF THE OR WILL THAT BE HANDLED THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS? PART OF THAT WILL BE IN OUR APPLICATION PROCESS. AT FIRST WE WILL BE MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE QUALIFIED. SO WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT SMALL BUSINESSES SO THATOULD BE 5 FULL TIME PEOPLE OR LESS WITH UNDER 2 MILLION IN REVENUE. SO WE'D BE MAKING SURE THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO A LARGER BUSINESS. WHO WOULD UTILIZE THESE FUNDS TO RELOCATE INCORRECTLY AND THEN FROM THERE IT WOULD BE ON A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS SO IT WOULD BE DEPENDENT ON HOW MANY OTHER APPLICANTS WOULD BE APPLYING AT THIS TIME. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A COMMERCIAL NUMBER, SEVERAL COULD BE RELOCATING. THAT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE BASED ON A TIMING ASPECT OF WHO'S APPLYING FIRST. SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THE VIABILITY OF THE BUSINESS NECESSARILY APPLYING OR ARE WE? WE ARE WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOK AT OUR COMMERCIAL NODES THAT WOULD BE A PRIORITY IN THIS PROGRAM AND WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE BUSINESS ITSELF . BUT AS LONG AS IT DOES MEET THE MINIMUM CRITERIA WE WOULD BE AT THAT AS A POTENTIAL VIABLE LOAN. ALL RIGHT. LAST QUESTION FOR YOU IS THEN AND SINCE THIS IS A GRANT, HOW ARE WE GOING TO SUSTAIN THIS FOR THE LONG TERM? SO OUR HOPE IS TO START OFF WITH SOME SMALL SEED MONEY TO SEE WHERE THIS COMES AT THE MAXIMUM HERE IS 15,000 SO WE ARE GOING TO BE TAKING 45,000 FOR OUR FIRST RUN AT THIS PROGRAM AS A PILOT PROGRAM. THIS IS ONE OF THOSEROGRAMS TH MAY NOT BE USED FOR A OF TIME. THIS WOULD BE VOLUNTEER REDEVELOP MENT SO WE'RE WAITING ON SOMEONE TO DEVELOP WHERE THEN SOMEONE COULD NO LONGER RETAIN LEASE IN THAT LOCATION. THERE MAY BE MANY TIMES THERE ISN'T A NEED FOR IT AND THEN THERE MAY BE TIMES WHERE A LARGER OLDER COMMERCIAL NODE WOULD BE YOU KNOW, REDEVELOPING AND WE COULD NEED MORE FUNDS. SO THE HOPE IS TO BUILD ON THIS YEAR BY YEAR AND EVENTUALLY ADD MORE TO OUR FUNDS. COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU MAYOR MUCH MORE OF A COMMENT. THE ONE THING I REALLY WANT TO SEE COME BACK ESPECIALLY AS I'VE BEEN OUT IS HEARING SOME OF THE CHALLENGES AND HURDLES THAT BUSINESSES INTO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS I REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE COMMON THEMES THAT ARE COMING UP THAT THESE BUSINESSES ARE SHARING WITH US SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE ARE AND AND PUT THINGS IN PLACE TO HELP ALLEVIATE THOSE HURDLES SO THAT THESE CAN BE MORE EFFECTIVE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I DEFINITELY WANT TO SEE COME BACK. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER AND THE OTHER QUESTIONS COUNCIL VERY GOOD. THANK YOU . IS THERE ANYONE NEXT OR IS THAT THAT IS IT VERY GOOD IF YOU DO HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF US WE ARE HAPPY TO TAKE THEM. VERY GOOD COUNCILMEMBER CARTER. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO YOU SHOWED THAT BEAUTIFUL SLIDE OF THE BUSINESS CONTINUUM AND I LIKED THE DETAILED VERSION. IS THAT GOING TO BE ON OUR WEBSITE SOON ARE GOI TO BE PROMOTING THAT AMONG THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY? CERTAINLY WE WILL BE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE TWEAKING OF IT. BUT AS I SAID DURING THE PRESENTATION MEANT TO BE A LIVING DOCUMENT SO YES AND THEN I WILL BUILD OFF OF SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMEMBER MUA SAID AND. I KNOW THIS COMES UP IN CONVERSATIONS FREQUENTLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SMALL BUSINESSES IN BLOOMINGTON AND I SO I KNOW STAFF ARE HAVING COERSATIONS ABOUT ANY KIND OF ISSUES WHETHER IT'S RELATED TO OUR CODE OR OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT MAKE IT HARDER FOR SMALL BUSINESSES IN BLOOMINGTON AND AND SO I JUST I DON'T KNOW CAN YOU TALK MORE ABOUT IS THERE IS GOING TO BE KIND OF A MORE FORMAL STRATEGY DEVELOPED OR ARE YOU JUST KIND OF DOCUMENTING THINGS AS YOU GO AND THEN TRYING TO OUT YOU KNOW, IS THIS A REOCCURRING THEME AND ARE WE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT I GUESS I FEEL LIKE IT COMES UP FREQUENTLY AND SO AM WONDERING WHAT STAFF IS THINKING AS A PROCESS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH TAKING IN THAT KIND OF INPUT AND FIGURING OUT THROUGH THAT ASSESSMENT IF THERE ARE SOME KEY THEMES TT THAT WOULD INFORM SOME POLICY DISCUSSIONS FOR US? YES, COUNCILMEMBER CARTER MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT IS THE EXACT RIGHT QUESTION TO ASK. I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING OUT WHAT TYPE OF CADENCE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT AND I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER TEAMS THAT HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS AS WELL. SO RIGHT NOW JUST INITIALLY WERE THINKING EVERY SIX MONTHS OF BRINGING TOGETHER EVERYBODY WHO WORKS PERMITTING TO BE AN AI ETC. WITH SMALL BUSINESSES AND HEARING THAT FEEDBACK AND SEEING WHAT TYPES OF POLICY CHANGES WE MIGHT NEED TO MAKE ALSOHESE PROGRAMS A MEANT TO BE REVIEWED ANNUALLY TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE STILL RELEVANT IF WE NEED TO CHANGE SOME OF THE APPLICATION PROCESSES OR REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. SO I DO THINK I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE A REGULAR CADENCE AT WHICH DO THIS SO THAT YOU KNOW WE DON'T HEAR SOMETHING THEN IT SORT OF SLIDES ASIDE OVER TIME. THANK YOU. AND I THINK FROM A COUNCIL PERSPECTIVE IT'S ALSO SUPER HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO YOU JUST KIND OF HAVE A SHARED UNDERSTANDING OF THE TYPES OF POLICIES THAT WE ARE WORKING ON THAT ARE IN SUPPORT OF SMALL BUSINESSES AND BUSINESSES IN GENERAL. SO I THINK ABOUT THE SAME POLICY DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LATER TONIGHT. RIGHT? LIKE THAT WAS REALLY THE LANGUAGE IN OUR CODE HAS BEEN VERY TRICKY FOR STAFF AND FOR PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY I ASSUME. AND SO JUST THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON COLLECTIVELY TO HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT AND THEN CONTINUING TO DOCUMENT THOSE AND WORK TOWARD SOLUTIONS. THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. SO COUNCILMEMBER AND SO THE AND HOLLY JUST KIND OF BRIEFLY TOUCHED ON THE WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND WE'VE COME TO THE END OF OUR WORK LOOKING AT POSSIBILITIES FOR FOUR SUBCOMMITTEES AND WORK PRODUCTS AND WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH AND ACTUALLY A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THAT GROUP REALLY DO DOVETAIL VERY NICELY INTO THE WORK THAT'S GOING ON AT STAFF LEVEL AND AT OTHER PLACES WITHIN HERE CITY HALL. TELLING TELLING BLOOMINGTON'S STORY IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IDENTIFIED WITH THIS GROUP AND MARKETING BLOOMINGTONN A SPECIAL AND WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. I MEAN OBVIOUSLY HERE WE SEE THE PUBLIC RELATIONS AND MARKETING STRATEGIC PLANNING. WE KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON IT AT THE CITY LEVEL AND WE'VE GOT THE SUBCOMMITTEE TALKING ABOUT IT. SO YOU HAVE TO BRING ALL THAT WORK TOGETHER. BUT THEN ALSO A DISCUSSION ON REMOVING BARRIERS FOR FOR BUSINESS JUST IN GENERAL AND NOT JUST AT THE STAFF LEVEL AS AS AS HOLLY WAS SAYING, NOT JUST TO BRING THE STAFF TOGETHER AND PUT THEIR HEADS TOGETHER BUT ACTUALLY TO GET OUT AND TALK TO SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND HAVE THEM SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF AN ISSUE THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO ADDRESS AND TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT ON A RECURRI AND CONSISTENT BASIS AND TO HAVE THAT FEEDBACK LOOP NOT JUST BE NOT JUST BE A SOUNDING BOARD BUT ACTUALLY THEN WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ISSUES I THINK IS AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT PART OF ALL THIS. SO I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY AND I THINK I KNOW WE'VE GOT AT LEAST A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WHEELS IN MOTION IN TERMS OF THIS AND I HOPE WE CAN ACCOMPLISH WHAT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF REMOVING BARRIERS SO ANYTHING ELSE COUNCIL? VERY GOOD. WELL THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT MAYOR AND AS COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THREW THE TEASER OUT FOR OUR NEXT ITEM ITEM 5.2 OUR SECOND PART OF OUR DISCUSSION ON OUR SIGNED ORDINANCE STUDY. WELCOME BACK. WHOOP CAREFUL NOW SORRY STATIC ELECTRICITY WILL GET YOU EVERY TIME SHOULD HAVE LEARNED THAT ONE BY NOW FORGIVE ME HERE I'M JUST GOING TO SHARE MY SLIDES BRIEFLY . OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THE STUDY SESSION BEFORE THIS EVENING, MAYOR MEMBERS IS TO PRESENT OUR NEW DRAFT SIGN CODE . A COUPLE OF POINTS ABOUT THAT DOCUMENT THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET REPRESENTS ALL OF THE NEW CONTENT THAT WOULD REPLACE EFFECTIVELY REPLACE THE EXISTING SIGN CODE . WHAT I WOULD SAY IT DOES NOT INCLUDE IS THE MULTITUDE OF CROSS-REFERENCES AND ALL OF THE OTHER KIND OF ORDINANCES OR SECTIONS OF THE CITY CODE THAT REFER TO THE SAME CODE . AFTER KIND OF DEBATING IT INTERNALLY IN TERMS OF WHAT THE BEST APPROACH WAS, WE DECIDED THAT IN ORDER TO BUILD IN ORDER TO KIND OF GIVE US THE BEST CHANCE GOING FORWARD IT WAS BEST TO BUILD CONSENSUS ON THE DRAFT NEW SIGN CODE BEFORE TYING AND WEAVING OF THE OTHER CONNECTIVE JOINTS AND TISSUE OF THE CITY CODE INTO THIS DOCUMENT IN THE PREPARATION OF A FORMAL ORDINANCE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT . AND SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT? WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A DISCUSSION AUT WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK THAT THIS NEW SIGN CODE READY FOR A FORMAL PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. IS IT ADVANCED A LONG AND IS IT MEETING KIND OF THE VISION FOR HOW BLOOMINGTON TO REGULATE SIGNAGE AND GO FORWARD? I WOULD JUST ADD A NOTE THAT WE DID THIS SAME EXERCISE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 16TH AND IT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION. I KIND OF SHARE THE SAME THING WITH YOU THAT I WILL WITH THEM. WE'VE EVEN CONDENSED THIS DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR YOU GIVEN THE NATURE OF YOUR AGENDAS. BUT YOU KNOW THERE'S 35 PAGES IN THE NEW DRAFT SIGN CODE THE EXISTING 1 TO 79. SO I STILL THINK IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT. I WISH IT WAS SHORTER THAN IT WAS BUT IN THIS PRESENTATION I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO EVERY SECTION OF THE DRAFT CODE BUT I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT SPECIFIC ELEMENTS IF IF THERE ARE SOME. SO JUST GETTING INTO AGENDA HERE JUST FOR THE STUDY SESSION HERE, SOME OF THE TOPICS I JUST WANT TO GO OVER I WANT TO PROVIDE A QUICK BACKGROUND COMPONENT. JUST REITERATE THE PROJECT GOALS GIVE YOU A SHORT UPDATE ABOUT THE LEGAL REVIEW OF THE EXISTING AND THE DRAFT CODE , PROVIDE YOU SOME IIGHT INTO OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES WE'VE BEEN DOING AND THEN JUST DO AN OVERVIEW OF SOME OF THE KEY ELEMENTS OF THE NEW DRAFT SIGN CODE AND THEN WE'LL JUST WRAP UP WITH OUR PROPOSED TIMELINE THE NEXT STEPS FOR THIS PROJECT. SO IN TERMS OF WHY WE ARE HERE OF COURSE THE SIGN CODE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WORK PLAN IT'S BEEN A TARGET UPDATED FOR A YEARS NOW. THE EXISTING SIGN CODE WAS CREATED IN 1996. WE TALKED I MAY HAVE MENTIONED THAT IN JANUARY WHEN WE WERE LAST TOGETHER TALKING ABOUT THIS TOPIC IN THE PERIOD FOLLOWING THAT ENGAGEMENT AND AROUND THAT TIMELINE WE DID ENGAGE WITH SIGNED INSTALLERS SO WE HAVE CONTINUED TO SPEAK WITH SOME SIGNED INSTALLERS THROUGHOUT OUR DRAFTING PROCESS AND WE ALSO DID A SURVEY AND ENGAGEMENT WITH SEVERAL LOCAL JURISDICTIONS SOME OF WHOM HAVE RECENTLY UPDATED THEIR SCIENCE STANDARDS. IN FACT I'VE LEARNED THAT A FEW MORE CITIES ARE WORKING ON THIS PROBABLY FOR SOME OF THE SAME LEGAL REASONS WITH RECENT CASE LAW AND WHATNOT. SO I ANTICIPATE MORE CITIES TO BE WORKING ON THIS IN THE COMING YEAR OR TWO. SO AND THEN JUST TO REITERATE WE DID A STUDY SESSION IN JANUARY THAT'S WHEN WE DID THE POLLING EXERCISE. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT THOSE ACTIVITIES WERE MAINLY USED TO TRY AND DELINEATE OR BUILD OR OUT WHERE WE HAD BROAD CONSENSUS AMONG THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL. WE DID HAVE SOME INSTANCES OF KIND OF CLOSE TIE VOTES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WHERE WE HAD WHERE WE HAD CLEAR CONSENSUS CERTAINLY DROVE IN THOSE DIRECTIONS WHERE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT A LITTLE MORE MIXED. WE HAD TO KIND OF USE SOME BEST JUDGMENT CALLS ON BES PRACTIS A RESEARCH AND OTHER THINGS. I'LL TRY AND IDENTIFY THOSE THINGS JUST IN TERMS OF RESEARCH METHODS OF WHAT INFORMED THE DRAFT CODE . IT'S REALLY A WIDE COLLECTION WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE TAKE WHAT'S BEST OF WHAT'S LOCAL THE BEST OF SOME NATIONAL EXAMPLES THAT HAVE BEEN POINTED TO US AND THEN THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT MODEL ORDINANCES THAT WE'VE KIND OF PULLED FROM AND NOT ALL OF THOSE ARE GOING TO ALIGN WELL WITH WHAT BLOOMINGTON'S LIKE LAND USE OR KIND OF WHAT OUR COMMUNITY CHARACTER IS OR KIND OF WHAT THE ESTHETICS HERE ARE. SO WE KIND OF HAVE TO PULL TOGETHER ELEMENTS OF DIFFERENT SOURCES AND PUT IT TOGETHER IN SOMETHING THAT WE THINK MAS SENSE FOR BLOOMINGTON . OKAY. I PRESENTED THIS SAME SLIDE TO YOU PREVIOUSLY IN JANUARY THESE PROJECT GOALS HAVE NOT CHANGED. THIS IS STILL THE THREE MEASURING STICKS THAT WE ARE TESTING THE DIFFERENT POLICY AND WE'RE DEBATING CERTAIN STANDARDS INTERNALLY WITH STAFF. THESE ARE KIND OF THE THREE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT. DOES IT CONFORM WITH CURRENT LEGAL STANDARDS? DOES IT IMPROVE CLARITY, REDUCE THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS ORDINANCE AND DOES IT IMPROVE THE ORGANIZATION FORMATTING AND USER EXPERIENCE? THOSE ARE THE THREE THINGS THAT WE REALLY TRY AND STRESS. I MENTIONED THE OVERALL REDUCTION IN CONTENT SO THE NEW SIGN CODE IS OVER 50% SHORTER. HOPEFULLY IT'S LAID OUT IN A MUCH MORE SENSICAL MANNER AND THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE OF DOING KEYWORD SEARCHES AND TRYING TO USE A MAGIC TRICK, FIGURE OUT WHAT TYPE OF SIGN OR HOW BIG IT CAN BE ALLOWED AT THEIR PROPERTIES. SO HOPEFULLY WE FEEL LIKE IT'S BEEN LAID OUT IN A PRETTY LOCALAY BASED ONHE MODEL ORDINANCE RECOMMENDED BY OUR CONTRACTED LEGAL COUNSEL IN THAT INSTANCE. SO I THINK HOPEFULLY WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IN ALL THREE OF THESE CATEGORIES. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ABOUT THE LEGAL ELEMENTS, KEVIN TASK IS HERE THIS EVENING FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OF COURSE, MELISSA. BUT AND THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FROM SOME TYPICAL COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AUDIENCES ARE PLANNING PROJECTS IN THAT LEGAL DEPARTMENT BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY AND NATURE OF THIS PROJECT. THEY ARE BASICALLY A COAUTHOR IN THIS IN THIS PROJECT. SO KEVIN'S HELDE DRAFT LARGE SECTIONS OF THE NEW SIGN CODE AND I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT HELP BUT SO IT'S JUST REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THEY ARE THERE TO REVIEW KIND OF THOSE CONTENT NEUTRALITY AND OTHER LEGAL ELEMENTS THESE PROVISIONS. AND SO IN SUPPORT OF THAT AS I MENTIONED BACK IN JANUARY WE DID CONTRACT WITH A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED LEGAL EXPERT IN THIS REGARD, JOHN BAKER WITH GREENSBORO. SO HE HAS REVIEWED OUR EXISTING SIGN CODE AND KIND OF IDENTIFIED IT ALL THE LANDMINES RED FLAGS FOR US WITH CURRENT CASE LAW AND WE HAVE SENT HIM THE NEW DRAFT SIGN CODE AND WE ANTICIPATE HIM TO RETURN HIS COMMENTS TO US IN DECEMBER. SO WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IN THAT REGARD IN TERMS OF ENGAGEMENT PROCESS BECAE THE SIGN CE TOHES ON SO MANY DIFFERENT INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISIONS WITHIN THE CITY WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE A LOT OF INTERNAL ENGAGEMENT FRANKLY BECAUSE EVERY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT DIVISION AT THE CITY INTERACTS WITH THE SCIENCE STANDARDS IN DIFFERENT WAYS. PARKS AND REC FOR EXAMPLE, HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACILITIES THAT THEY HAVE SIGNAGE FOR POLICE AND FIRE HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY INTERESTS AND IN SOME OF THESE PROVISIONS LIKE ADDRESSING AND OTHER THINGS THE CITY CLERK JUST WENT THROUGH AN ELECTION PROCESS I'M SURE LOTS OF SIGNS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY FOR THAT TYPE OF THING. SO YEAH IT'S A PROCESS THAT MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED WITH IN TERMS OF THE INTERNAL ENGAGE EXCUSE ME EXTERNAL ENGAGEMENT REALLY DEALING WITH DIRECT ENGAGEMENT. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN BOTH WITH GROUPS AND INDIVIDUALS. OF COURSE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT TRADE ASSOCIATIONS OR ORGANIZATIONS THAT REPRESENT VARIOUS INTERESTS. SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE MINNEAPOLIS REGIONAL CHAMBER I ACTUALLY JUST MET THEM THE OTHER DAY AND THEY INCLUDED OUR SIGN ORDINANCE IN THEIR DRAFT EMAIL BLAST OUT TO ALL THEIR MEMBERS THAT WAS APPRECIATED ON THEIR PART THE MINNESOTA RETAILERS ASSOCIATION, THE SHOPPING CENTER ASSOCIATION, THE INDUSTRIAL LAND OFFICE PROPERTIES COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE ASSOCIATION. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ALL THESE GROUPS. THEY'RE ALL AWARE OF OUR EFFORT TO DO THIS BUT IN TO THAT WE ALSO REGULARLY INTERACT WITH A LOT OF BLOOMINGTON OWNERS SOME OF WHOM OWN AND OPERATE KNOW VARIOUS COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS AND EVERY CHANCE WE GET WE LET THEM KNOW HEY WE'RE WORKING ON THIS. SOME CHOOSE TO ENGAGE, SOME DON'T AND THAT'S FINE BUT THEY'RE ON OUR LIST AS WELL AND THEN JUST VARIOUS INDIVIDUALS WHETHER THEY BE ARCHITECTS WORKING ON BEHALF OF A CLIENT OR JUST OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS WITH INTEREST IN THE SIGN CODE WE'VE GOT WE'VE GROWN A GOOD LIST OF ONGOING CONTACTS AND THEN OF COURSE OUR ONLINE ENGAGEMENT PAGE HAVE BEEN UTILIZING THAT AS WELL HAD CENT TRAFFIC ON IT AND IT'S PICKED UP A LITTLE BIT LATELY SO THAT'S GOOD IN TERMS OF SIGN TYPES. SO THIS IS WHERE I'M GOING TO GET INTO SPECIFIC TOPICS WITH THE NEW SIGN CODE AND THE THINGS THAT I KIND OF HIGHLIGHT AND BOLD I SUPPOSE THAT'S KIND OF MY SUBTLE NUDGE TO TRY AND MAYBE SOLICIT MORE DIRECT FEEDBACK FROM YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE POINTED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE NEW SAYING CODE WE TRY AND UTILIZE AND IMPLEMENT TABLES WHEREVER WE CAN WHEN YOU'RE KIND OF LAYING OUT LOTS OF INFORMATION. SO THIS LOOKS VERY SIMILAR TO THE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE USE TABLE IN THE CITY ZONING CODE WHICH IDENTIFIES ALL THE ALLOWED USES BY ZONING DISTRICT. THIS IS VERY MUCH A SIMILAR APPROACH. SO AT THE TOP YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE DIFFERENT SCIENTISTS PICKS. THE CURRENT SIGN CODE HAS EIGHT OF THESE WE'VE CAN CONSOLIDATE THAT INTO FIVE SAME DISTRICTS BASICALLY AND WHAT THIS TABLE IS LAYING OUT FOR YOU WHAT ARE ALL THE DIFFERENT SIGN TYPES THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THESE SIZED DISTRICTS? SO IT SHOULD BE FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD OR SHOULD BE MORE PREDICTABLE IN TERMS OF PEOPLE AND BEING ABLE TO LOCATE THIS INFORMATION. WE HAVE REMOVED SOME OBSOLETE SIGN TYPES OF SOME OF THE COMPLEXITY WE DEAL WITH AS THEY EITHER HAVE VERY SIMILAR SIGN TYPES THAT THEY'RE KIND OF CONFUSING OR IT'S JUST UNNECESSARY. IT JUST ADDS UNNECESSARY COMPLEXITY TO THIS DOCUMENT AND MAKES IT MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT NEEDS TO IN TERMS OF BUILDING SIGNS. ONE THING I DO WANT TO TOUCH ON IS THAT WHEN WE DID THE POLLING EXERCISE WE TALKED UNIFORMITY OF CONSTRUCTION. SO AS I MENTIONED, SOME CITIES DO REQUIRE AND PARTICULARLY IN MULTI-TENANT SITUATIONS THAT SIGN TYPES ACROSS A ACROSS A MULTI-TENANT BUILDING ALL HAVE THE SAME CONSTRUCTION TYPE AND AS A REMINDER THERE'S TWO BASIC BUILDING TYPE TYPES OF SIGNS THERE'S CABINET SIGNS WHICH ARE GENERIC GENERAL SHAPES WHERE A TRIANGLE OR WHATEVER WITH A LIT CABINET TYPICALLY AND THEN THERE'S THE CHANNEL COACH CONSTRUCTION WHICH IS INDIVIDUAL LETTERS AND SYMBOLS PUT TOGETHER. SO OUR CURRENT CODE HAS A UNIFORMITY CONSTRUCTION SIGN TYPE. THIS WAS AN AREA IN THE POLLING EXERCISE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL WERE BOTH PRETTY SPLIT ON IT. THERE WASN'T CLEAR MARCHING ORDERS TO GO IN ONE DIRECTION OR THE OTHER. I WOULD SAY THAT THE START OF THE DRAFT BEFORE YOU DOES NOT INCLUDE A UNIFORMITY OF CONSTRUCTION REQUIREMENT AND THERE'S SEVERAL REASONS FOR THAT NOT JUST HAVING TO DO WITH THE PROJECT GOALS ADDING COMPLEXITY IN THOSE THINGS BUT PLANNING STAFF IN TERMS OF AND WE'VE INTERACT WITH A LOT OF SIGN INSTALLERS AND BUILDING OWNERS AND THERE'S DOWNSTREAM THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH UNIFORMITY OF CONSTRUCTION. ONE IS THERE'S CERTAIN BUSINESSES WHOSE LOGOS ARE BRANDING DON'T MARRY WELL WITH ONE SIGN TYPE OR THE OTHER SO EVENTUALLY NOT OFTEN BUT IN SOME CASES IT CAN CAUSE KIND OF SOME PROBLEMS FOR THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS IN TERMS OF MANUFACTURE FABRICATING THE SIGN OF THEIR CHOOSING THAT THEY WANT ON THEIR SITE. THE SECOND REASON IS THAT A LOT OF PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THEIR VERY OWN SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS AT THEIR MULTI-TENANT SITES. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE THINK IS HAPPENING MORE EFFECTIVELY BETWEEN THE PRIVATE PARTIES AS AS THEY SIGN LEASES AS THEY ESTABLISH THEIR BUSINESSES IN BLOOMINGTON. THAT'S ONE PIECE OF IT. ANOTHER PIECE OF IT IS THAT IT ADDS AN EXTRA LAYER OF REGULATORY COMPLEXITY WE HAVE WE REQUIRE ALL MULTI-TENANT TO HAVE WHAT'S CALLED UNIFORM SIGN DESIGNS WHERE WE ESTABLISH AT EVERY BUILDING HAS MORE THAN ONE TENANT WHAT THE SIGN CONSTRUCTION HAS TO BE. THOSE DOCUMENTS TO BE TRACKED OVER TIME UPDATED OVER TIME STAFF HAS TO REFERENCE THEM THE INSTALLERS NEED TO REVIEW THEM IT JUST ADDS ANOTHER EXTRA LAYER. THE FOURTH THING JUST FROM AN EQUITY PERSPECTIVE CHANNEL CUT SIGNS ARE MUCH MORE COSTLY THAN CABINET SIGNS IN MANY CASES. AND SO WHEN YOU'RE REQUIRING UNIFORMITY OF CONSTRUCTION IN SOME CASES, YOU KNOW A SIGN THAT WAS SAY $5,000 TO MANUFACTURE NOW BECOMES TEN. THOSERE JUST, YOU KNOW, GENERIC NUMBERS. I'M NOT REFERENCING A SPECIFIC QUOTE OF RECENT TIME BUT I'M SAYING THAT THERE IS A THERE'S A DOWNSTREAM IMPACT OF THAT WHICH WHICH WE FIND SOME DIFFICULTY WITH. AND THEN FINALLY JUST FROM A PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU READ THROUGH ALL THE PURPOSE ABOUT THE SIGN CODE , WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO DO IT IS INTENDED TO VISUAL CLUTTERED IS TENDED TO PREVENT HARM TO THE PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENT TYPES OF THINGS. BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PUT A TEST OF PUBLIC SAFETY, HEALTH, WELFARE TO A LOT OF THESE REGULATIONS THAT WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER FOR SIGNAGE AND THAT'S ONE THAT WE THINK KIND OF VEERS CLOSER MORE TO THE ESTHETICS LANE THAN IT DOES ON KIND OF PROTECTING THE PEACE, HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE PIECE OF IT. SO THAT'S JUST OUR PIECE AND IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT YOU CAN'T DO A LOT OF CITIES DO GO THAT ROUTE. I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU THE THE UNVARNISHED STAFF PERSPECTIVE ON THIS SIGNAGE ALLOWANCES SO IF YOU RECALL ANOTHER THING THAT WE DID DURING THIS POLLING EXERCISE WAS TO EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT WE FELT THAT THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE IN MOST SITUATIONS IN BLOOMINGTON WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TYPES THAT WE HAVE HERE AND THERE WAS GOOD CONSENSUS ON THAT. I THINK BOTH GROUPS WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SIGNAGE AND ALLOWANCES THAT WE ESTABLISHED AND SO WE TOOK THAT GUIDANCE AND WE REVIEWED EVALUATED A LOT OF RECENT SIGN PERMITS THAT WE HAD REVIEWED AND WE PUT IT THROUGH THE TEST OF OUR NEW SIGN CODE . ONE WAY THAT THE NEW SIGN CODE IS DIFFERENT THAN THE EXISTING SIGN CODE IS THAT WE ACTUALLY UTILIZE LOT FRONTAGE AND BUILDING OR TENANT SCE FRONTAGE AS A MEANS TO ESTABLISH THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED. AND THE REASON THAT WE DO THAT IS THAT THESE ARE TWO PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT ARE MUCH MORE READILY AVAILABLE ALL PROPERTIES IN BLOOMINGTON AS OPPOSED TO ALWAYS HAVING DETAILED SAY ELEVATION PLANS OF EVERY BUILDING ARCHITECTURAL PLANS IN EFFECT . SO ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU ON THE IMAGE IS JUST AN EXAMPLE I THINK WE HAD THE SAME IMAGE IN OUR JANUARY SLIDE BUT KNOWING THAT A BUILDING TENANT SPACE IS 75 FEET WIDE IS A MUCH EASIER THING TO CALCULATE AND KNOW WITH CERTAINTY AS OPPOSED TO IF YOU HAVE INCOMPLETE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS AND BASING SIGNAGE ON A PERCENTAGE OF WALL AREA. SO AGAIN GETTING BACK TO THOSE PROJECT GOALS LESS COMPLEXITY, MORE CONSISTENCY. WE JUST THINK THIS IS A MUCH APPROACH THE WHAT THIS MEANS HOW WE ACTUALLY DETERMINE THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE IS BASED ON MULTIPLICATION FACTORS. SO I'LL SHOW YOU THAT WHEN IT COMES TO BOTH FREESTANDING AND BUILDING SIGNAGE BUT BASICALLY WHAT THOSE ARE INTENDED TO MEET IS STILL TO ACCOMMODATE AND PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE FOR 90 TO 95% OF THE SITUATIONS OF WHAT YOU SEE IN BLOOMINGTON THERE ARE OUTLIERS. I CAN THINK OF A FEW BUILDINGS I DON'T WANT TO NAME THEM OR LIST THEIR ADDRESSES THAT HAVE MAYBE A VERY LARGE SIGNS BEYOND WHAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE BUT BASICALLY WHAT WE THINK IS THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CREATE A LOT OF NONCONFORMITY IS KIND OF THE KEY THERE WITH SOME OF THESE RATIOS WE'RE RECOMMENDING. SO GET INTO AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. SO FREESTANDING SIGNS SIMILAR TO MY COMMENT ABOUT SAME TYPES WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE ALL THIS INFORMATION INTO A TABLE SO HERE YOU'VE GOT THE NUMBER OF SIGNS ALLOWED SETBACKS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE SIGNS AND THEN THE AREA OF THE SIGNS BROKEN DOWN BY ALL THESE SIGN DISTRICTS HERE. AND SO SOME SIGN DISTRICTS WILL RETAIN JUST HAVING A FLAT AMOUNT OF FREESTANDING SIGNAGE LIKE SAY FOR A PLACE OF ASSEMBLY IN THE CLASS ONE DISTRICT OR A MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING IN THE CLASS TWO DISTRICT THOSE KIND OF REMAIN THE SAME. BUT IN OUR CLASS WOULD BE THE NEW CLASS THREE DISTRICT WHICH IS WHERE THE MAJORITY OF OUR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IS GOING TO FRONTAGE CALCULATION WITH A MAXIMUM WITH A CAP BASICALLY AND WHERE WE LANDED FOR THAT IS POINT FOUR. WE ALSO ARE PROVIDING LARGER SIGN HEIGHTS AND ALLOWANCES UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES ALONG THE FREEWAY I-94 I'M SORRY FOUR 9435 W AND 77 SO THERE IS SOME CONSIDERATION OF THAT ELEMENT WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD TO PUT TOGETHER THROUGH CONSOLIDATING SOME OF THESE SIGN DISTRICTS. AND THE OTHER THING I'LL ABOUT THIS TOO IS WITH THE CURRENT SIGN CODE BY HAVING A FLAT AMOUNT FOR EVERY PRORTY IF YOU HAVE A PROPERTY THAT HAS 50 FEET OF FRONTAGE VERSUS A PROPERTY THAT HAS 250 FEET OF FRONTAGE RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY THERE BOTH GET THE SAME SIGN WHICH DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF PRACTICAL SENSE IN TERMS OF THE SIZES OF DEVELOPMENT AND HOW MANY TENANTS THEY CAN HAVE IN CONSIDERATION OF THAT. SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT THERE. YEAH, THE JUST ON THE SLIDE AGAIN THIS IS JUST A VISUAL EXAMPLE SO YOU'VE GOT KIND OF A CORNER SITE HERE A SITE WITH MULTIPLE STREET FRONTAGE AS THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED A FREE STANDING SIGN AT EVERY SIDE THAT HAS A STREET FRONTAGE AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THOSE FRONTAGE AREA OR A LOT FRONTAGE DISTANCES AND WHAT IT TRANSLATES WHEN YOU UTILIZE THAT POINT FOR MULTIPLICATION FACTOR AND THE MULTIPLICATION FACTORS ARE KIND OF THE THOSE ARE THE THAT YOU CAN PULL TO EITHER INCREASE OR DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE THAT YOU WANT TO KIND OF DEPLOY IN THESE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS GETTING THE BUILDING SIGNS SO VERY MUCH SIMILAR STRUCTURE AGAIN WE'RE USING TABLES TO TRY AND DEPLOY ALL THIS INFORMATION TO SO PEOPLE CAN FIGU OUT OKAY I'M THIS SIGN DISTRICT I WANT TO DO BUILDING SIGNS HERE'S WHERE I GO SHOULD BE PRETTY. ANOTHER CHANGE IS THAT THE CURRENT SIGN CODE HAS DIFFERENT SIGNAGE ALLOWANCES FOR ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDING SIGNS WHILE SIGNS ARE CLEARLY THE MOST POPULAR KIND OF BUILDING SIGN BUT WE WANT TO MOVE IN A DIRECTION WHERE EACH ELEVATION IS GRANTED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE. HOWEVER YOU DEPLOY THAT BETWEEN ALL THE DIFFERENT SIGN TYPES THAT'S KIND OF UP TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE TENANTS IN THE BUILDING. SO NOTABLE CHANGES I HIGHLIGHTED AGAIN THE CLASS THREE IS THE ONE THAT WE DEAL WITH THE MOST ON A HIGHLIGHT THAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS 1.25 SQUARE FEET PER LINEAR FOOT OF TENANT SPACE OR BUILDING FRONTAGE. WHAT THIS REALLY MAKES EASIER TO IS JUST WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A SIGN INSTALLER YOU'RE TYPICALLY NOT REWORKING THE WHOLE BUILDING. YOU'RE DEALING WITH ONE DISCRETE TENANT SPACE OR ONE STORE FRONTAGE AND JUST HAVING THAT FRONTAGE CALCULATION MAKES IT SO MUCH EASIER FOR THEM. WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING A CAP FOR INDIVIDUAL SIGN EXCEEDING 250 FEET SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING TO NOTICE THAT KIND OF GETS I TALKED ABOUT THE SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE SOME VERYARGE SIGNS JUST ON THE BASIS VERY LARGE BUILDINGS WITH VERY LARGE FACADES. SO SOME NOTABLE CHANGES THAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT HERE IN KIND OF SEEKING FEEDBACK ON ONE CHANGE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS CURRENTLY ALLOWING BUILDING SIGNS ON ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS OF THE WHAT WOULD BE THE NEW CLASS THREE AND THAT'S TODAY'S CLASS FOUR BUT IT'S WHERE MOST OF OUR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY. THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED ON ANY SIDE THAT FACES THE PUBLIC STREET WHICH MAKES SENSE BUT ALSO EITHER A PRIMARY OR SECONDARY ELEVATION ANOTHER. TRICKY THING ABOUT THAT IS THEY HAVE DIFFERENT ALLOWANCE SIZES FOR THE PRIMARY AND THE SECONDARY. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS LESS COMPLEX BUT. WE THINK THAT THE THE NUISANCE CHARACTERISTICS ASSOCIATED WITH SIGNAGE ARE DRIVEN BY TWO MAIN THINGS SIGN ILLUMINATION AND THE BRIGHTNESS OF THE SIGN ONCE IT IS LIT. SO IF YOU HAVE STANDARDS ON WHEN A SIGN CAN BE LIT IN TERMS OF PRACTICE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL USES IF IT'S TOO CLOSE THEN IT CAN'T BE LIT THAT CAN ADDRESS ONE OF THE CHARACTERISTICS IF IT CAN BE LIT THEN AGAIN WE ALREADY HAVE PRETTY EFFECTIVENSPECTION PROGRAM KIND RUN BY PLANNING STAFF WHERE WE DO MEASURE THE BRIGHTNESS OF SIGNS SO WE WOULD TO DO THAT AND ALL THAT CONTENT IS CURRENTLY IN THE CITY'S LIGHTING ORDINANCE SO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING IN A DIRECTION TO ALLOW MORE SIGNS ON MORE ELEVATIONS OF BUILDINGS WHICH WE ALREADY DO IN OUR MIXED USE DISTRICT. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE BEFORE AND ALEX'S AND HSR AND KIND OF THAT THOSE MORE MIXED USE TYPE AREAS THEY'RE ALREADY ALLOWED THAT GRANT THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THAT AND OF COURSE IN A SMALLER AREA BUT WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD ISSUES WITH IT SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING AND YOU KNOW TO THE OTHER THING IS JUST THAT BUILDINGS JUST TO GIVE THEM MORE CREATIVITY YOU CAN YOU CAN THINK A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE SOME INTERNAL ACTIVITY OR EVENT SPACES WITHIN AN INTERNAL OF A BUILDING IF THEY'VE ALREADY MAXED OUT THEIR BUILDING FRONTAGE THEY CAN'T PUT ANY ADDITIONAL BUILDING BRANDING OR SIGNAGE ON THAT INTERIOR FACING AREA CURRENTLY. SO IT JUST KIND OF STIFLES CREATIVITY TO A CERTAIN EXTENT . OKAY, SPECIAL USE SCIENCE STANDARDS. SO OF OUR GOALS WAS TO TRY AND ELIMINATE THIS AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND THE REASON JUST THAT THE MORE KIND OF CARVE OUTS I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT THAT BUT THE MORE SPECIAL STANDARDS YOU HAVE FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL USE IT JUST KEEPS LAYERING COMPLEXITY INTO THE CODE THAT YOU KIND OF TAKE THAT TO THE EXTREME JUS GETS REALLY DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH. THAT BEING SAID, THERE DOES NEED TO BE SOME SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS FORERTAIN USES IN BLOOMINGTON NOT ONLY TO CREATE A LOT OF NON-CONFORMITY WITH WHAT EXISTS TODAY BUT ALSO JUST AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THESE STANDARDS EXISTED FOR A REASON THEY WERE CREATED IN MANY WAYS WE WERE ELIMINATE WE'RE ABLE TO ELIMINATE A LOT THEM. BUT THERE WERE SOME THAT WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT WE COULD ELIMINATE. SO WHICH ONES ARE THOSE FREESTANDING SIGNS? WE DO HAVE SPECIAL STANDARDS PROPOSED COLLEGE AND SCHOOL CAMPUSES. WE ARE CONTINUING SOME OF THE SAME SIGNAGE STANDARDS FOR HIGH USAGE PARKS. YOU KNOW THAT'S YOUR DRE SCOTT. THAT'S YOUR VALLEY VIEW. THAT'S THE THE MOST UTILIZED PARKS IN BLOOMINGTON AND OF COURSE THE GOLF COURSES THAT'S NEW WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD THAT AND THEN PLAY FIELDS I KNOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS WORKING ON OF COURSE HAS LINCOLN BUT ALSO IS WORKING ON PROPERTIES OR IS WORKING ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF SOME ADDITIONAL PLAY FIELDS AND IT'S BECOMING MUCH MORE COMMON TO HAVE SOME SIGNAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE SO THAT IS BUILT INTO THE DRAFT. I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT TERMS OF BUILDING SIGNS. WHERE DO WE THINK SPECIAL USE STANDARDS ARE NECESSARY? SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE THE OFFICE TOWERS THAT HAVE LIMITED NUMBERS OF SIGNS PER ELEVATION AND HAVE SOME SPECIAL SIZE CONSIDERATIONS GIVEN THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE SO FAR THAT THEY DO NEED TO BE LARGER SERVICE AREA CANOPIES THAT'S KIND OF A UNIQUE FEATURE OF THAT TYPE OF USE THAT IS PRETTY COMMON TO THE PLACE TO PLACE SIGNAGE ON AT A GAS STATION OF COURSE COLLEGE CAMPUS SIGNS SO LIGHT POLE SIGNS THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THEN SIGNAGE ON PARKING STRUCTURES. SO CURRENTLY THE EXISTING SIGN CODE ALLOWS SIGNS ON PARKING STRUCTURES ONLY IN CERTAIN SIGN DISTRICTS. SO WE'RE PROPOSINGO NOT HAVE IT BE ONLY APPLICABLE TO ONE OR TWO SIGN DISTRICTS BUT JUST APPLICABLE FOR PARKING STRUCTURES THAT ARE ABOVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF STORIES BUT LIMITED TO ONE SIGN FOR ELEVATION AT A SMALLER SIZE. SO ELECTRONIC SIGNS WE GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT THIS ONE. THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION BOTH INTERNAL EXTERNAL BUT I'LL TOUCH ON A COUPLE STANDARDS HERE A NEW STANDARD WOULD BE CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE A CAP ON A MAXIMUM SIZE FOR AN ELECTRONIC SIGN AND I SHOULD START BY SAYING THAT THE ISSUE WITH ELECTROC SIGNS I JUST KIND OF MORE DISTRACTED DRIVING MORE DISTRACTION WITHIN THE PUBLIC REALM CAN RESULT SOME SAFETY CONCERNS JUST IN TERMS OF PEOPLE UTILIZING THE RIGHT OF WAY WHETHER THEY BE MOTORIZED OR NON-MOTORIZED TRANSPORTATION INCLUDING WALKING OF COURSE. SO WE ARE PROPOSING A SIZE CAP THAT CURRENTLY EXIST IN THE CODE . IT IS SOMEWHAT COMMON AMONG SOME OF THE ORDINANCES THAT WE STARTED TO KIND OF RECOGNIZE THAT THESE SIGNS HAVE A HIGHER DO DO PRESENT A HIGHER INCIDENCE OF POTENTIAL PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERN AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT FEEDS INTO THAT SET BACK FROM RESIDENTIAL THAT'S RETAINING THE SAME STANDARD. I WILL TALK ABOUT ORIENTATION HERE IN A MINUTE BUT WE CUENTLY HAVE 100 FOOT SETBACK FOR THESE SIGN TYPES FROM RESIDENTIAL USES DWELL TIME THIS IS KIND OF THE HOT TOPIC FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE GET OUR EXISTING STANDARDS IS FOR CHANGEABLE COPY ONLY IS 8 SECONDS AND FOR GRAPHICS IS CURRENTLY 20 MINUTES AND THAT JUST MEANS THAT THE SIGN CAN'T CHANGE FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME IT HAS TO STAY STATIC OR REMAIN THE SAME. OUR OUR DRAFT SIGN CODE INCLUDES REDUCING THE DWELL TIME TO GRAPHICS 10 MINUTES BUT I'LL YOU KNOW I WANT TO BE VERY KIND OF STRAIGHTFORWARD ABOUT THIS ISSUE IS THAT THE PREFERENCES RANGE ALL OVER THE MAP AND THAT'S NOT JUST EXTERNAL THAT'S INTERNAL TOO THERE ARE YOU KNOW CERTAINLY ELEMENTS OF THE CITY THAT WISH THEY COULD DO MORE PROGRAMING PARKS AND REC AND FIRE PUBLIC SAFETY MESSAG ON THESE SIGN TYPES. AND THEN KIND OF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COIN IS CERTAINLY TRAFFIC AND OTHER STAFF WHO ARE HAVE MORE CONCERN ABOUT THE VISUAL CLUTTER BUT ALSO THE DISTRACTION AND THOSE KIND OF ELEMENTS WHAT TO MY OWN AND SO THE EXTERNAL PIECE OF IT YES THERE'S CERTAINLY A LOT OF EXTERNAL PARTIES THAT WANT TO REDUCE OUR DWELL TIME FOR THESE SIGN TYPES THE FRUSTRATING PIECE THE CHALLENGING PIECE MAYBE FOR THE STAFF WORKING ON THE ORDINANCE IS THAT THERE IS A TON OF RESEARCH OUT THERE ABOUT THIS VERY TOPIC BUT IT HAS NOT ABLE TO ESTABLISH A BROAD CONSENSUS AS TO WHAT THE EXACT WHAT THE BEST STANDARD SHOULD BE FOR CERTAIN EVEN DRIVING SPEEDS LIKE ROAD TYPES BECAUSE THAT'S TRUE THAT'S BY SOME OF IT BUT ALSO JUST KIND OF VARIOUS ENVIRONMENTS IN TERMS OF LAND USE TYPE IN THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU SEE IS 8 SECONDS A LOT AND THE REASON YOU SEE 8 SECONDS IS BECAUSE THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION ISSUED A REPORT SOME AGO WHERE THEY LANDED ON CAN ABSOLUTELY BE NO SMALLER THAN 8 SECONDS OR SHORTER THAN I SHOULD SAY NOT SMALLER. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT KIND OF A LOT. BUT WHAT I WOULD TELL YOU IS THAT EVEN WITHIN OUR OWN REGION HERE YOU'LL SEE THE RANGE IS I KNOW OF A CITY THAT HAS A 3/2 DWELL TIME AND THAT'S FOR GRAB THAT'S FOR ANYTHING VIDEO BUT JUST OBVIOUSLY BUT THEY HAVE A 3/2 DWELL TIME AND THEN THERE'S A COMMUNITY NEAR US THAT HAS A 60 MINUTE DWELL TIME. SO THAT'S THE RANGE THAT WE'RE DEALING ON THIS STUFF. SO IT'S KIND OF CHALLENGING SO MEAN I CERTAINLY WOULD WELCOME YOUR FEEDBACK PARTICULARLY ON THAT. WE PULLED THIS QUESTION THERE WAS A MIX OF WANTING TO KEEP OUR EXISTING STANDARDS IN PLACE OR REDUCE THEM SO KIND OF JUST TAKING TEMPERATURE ON THAT HERE YET AGAIN. I THINK IT'S A TRICKY ISSUE AND DEPENDING ON WHAT AND WHAT WHAT AIR YOU'RE COMING AT IT FROM IT I RESPECT ALL THE OPINIONS ON BOTH SIDES OF IT IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR GOALS ARE ON THE NIGHT TIME RESTRICTION PIECE. SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S NEW CURRENTLY WE HAVE AN ORIENTATION STANDARD THAT THESE ELECTRONIC SIGNS CAN'T BE VISIBLE FROM A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WITHIN 150 FEET. IT ACTS AS ANOTHER DE FACTO SETBACK IN WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE TO GO AWAY FROM THAT AGAIN IS BEING MORE CONSIDERATE OF THE NUISANCE CHARACTERISTICS IS THAT IF IT'S WITHIN 150 FEET THE SIGN EITHER BE TURNED OFF YOU KNOW DURING THE NIGHTTIME HOURS HOWEVER YOU DEFINE THAT OR STATIC BECAUSE ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THE ELECTRONIC SIGNS OF WHAT MAKES IT A HIGHER NUISANCE IS THAT THE MESSAGE IS CHANGING FREQUENTLY WHICH CASTS IN DIFFERENT WAYS TO NEARBY PROPERTIES SO EITHER STATIC OR TURNED OFF YOU THAT DOES HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR SOME ADDITIONAL ENFORCEMENT COMPONENT BUT WE ALREADY WITH THAT IN SOME LEVELS ON SAME BRIGHTNESS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS TO CONSIDER THINK ABOUT THAT'S THE EXTENT OF THE MAIN THINGS I WANTED TO PRESENT TO YOU IN TERMS OF THE CONTENT THERE ARE OTHER SECTIONS OF THE DRAFT SIGN CODE THAT I DIDN'T TOUCH ON THIS JUST IN TO TIME AND WE CERTAINLY CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS BUT IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT AS I MENTIONED WE DID THIS SAME EXERCISE WITH PLANNING COMMISSION. IT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION THEY FELT READY OR COMFORTABLE WITH THE STATE OF THE DRAFT TO GO FORWARD INTO PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS RECOGNIZING A THAT THERE CAN BE A LOT ENGAGEMENT AND FEEDBACK DONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS BUT ALSO WITH THE CITY BEING THE WE'RE NOT SUBJECT TO ANY AGENCYCTION TIMELINE REQUIREMENT AND ALONG THOSE LINES SO WE REALLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO START THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS BUT CONTINUE TO REFINE IF NEED BE DEPENDING ON WHAT ADJUSTMENTS NEED TO BE MADE. SO IF WE GET KIND OF THAT KIND OF THAT GREEN LIGHT OF THAT THUMBS UP WE WOULD BEGIN DRAFTING THE FULL VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE DEALING WITH ALL THOSE CROSS-REFERENCES AND CONNECTIVE TISSUE LIKE I TALKED ABOUT. WE'LL CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE WE'VE A NUMBER OF MEETIS WH DIFFERENT PARTIES WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THIS TOPIC. I WOULD EXPECT THAT THEY WILL BE SUBMITTING COMMENTS AND REACHING OUT TO YOU ALL AS THE DECISION MAKERS ABOUT THIS PROCESS. SO I THINK THAT I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET GOOD ENGAGEMENT ON THIS PROCESS AND THEN AGAIN FINALLY JUST GOING FORWARD AND SCHEDULING PUBLIC HEARINGS IF WE THINK WE'RE READY IF WE WERE TO MOVE THAT STAFFER AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED TIMELINE WE WOULD BE DOING THESE REFINEMENTS AND REVISIONS IN DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR AND THEN SCHEDULE A BLIC HEARING AT PLANNING COMMISSION IN JANUARY AND AN ANTICIPATED HEARING AT CITY COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT FROM A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE. HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. JOHNSON. SO I WAS GOING TO TRY AND HELP YOU OUT AND GO BACK TO ALL THE SLIDES AND LOOK AT WHERE YOU HAD THE BOLDED AREAS AND THEN REALIZE THAT THE PRESENTATION DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THOSE BOLDED AREAS IN THEM ALTHOUGH YEAH SO I MISSED I MISSED ON THAT. I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I WTED TO GO THROUGH STEP BY STEP I THINK YOU SAID YOU DID SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS OR AT LEAST HAD THE DISCUSSIONS WHERE YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION. YEAH THANK YOU MAYOR. I CAN IDENTIFY THOSE POINTS WOULD BE HELPFUL BUT AND I ALSO WELCOME JUST GENERAL QUESTIONS TOO BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S AN EXTENSIVE DOCUMENT BUT I CAN LEAD YOU THROUGH THOSE WHEN WE START WITH ANY GENERAL QUESTIONS AND THEN WE CAN DOUBLE BACK SOME OF THE MORE SPECIFIC DISCUSSION AREAS THAT MR. JOHNSON WANTS TALK WITH COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THANK YOU MAYOR. SO FIRST GENERAL QUESTION I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES WHO HAVE STRUGGLED WITH THE SIGN ORDINANCE RELATIVELYECENTLY MEANING LIKE THE LAST FOUR YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON. AND SO I'M WONDERING IF IF YOU ENGAGED WITH AND MAKING THESE DECISIONS OR GETTING TO A POINT OF RECOMMENDATION I SHOULD SAY AND OR ARE YOU PLANNING TO BRING THIS TO SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES SO THAT THEY COULD WEIGH IN ON WHETHER THIS MEET WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE HELPFUL IN THEIR EXPERI ENCE WITH THE CITY? YEAH. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER CARTER WE GENERALLY HAVE LET IF IEAN DEPENDS ON WHICH INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OF COURSE BUT THE PEOPLE I'M AWARE OF THAT I KNOW HAVE EXPRESSED SOME OR HAVE HAD SOME CHALLENGES. WE HAVE BEEN PROMOTING THIS PROCESS TO THEM OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVES. SO I YOU KNOW, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB IN THAT. THAT BEING SAID, I MEAN I STILL I THINK WE'RE ONLY YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'VE ONLY TALKED WITH 20% OF THE PEOPLE WHO WILL ULTIMATELY ENGAGE THE PROCESS BECAUSE SOMETIMES ALL JUST COMES IN ONE BIG WAVE AND THAT'S OKAY IF IT DOES. BUT I'D BE IN I MEAN IF ANYONE IF THAT WERE HIS WAY GET A WORD OUT. I'M HAPPY TO ENGAGE WITH ANYONE ABOUT THEIR SPECIFIC CONCERNS. OKAY. YEAH, GO AHEAD. SORRY. WHEN I CAN JUST EMAIL YOU TWO OF THE BUSINESSES I'M THINKING OF SPECIFICALLY SO ANOTHER GENERAL QUESTION I'M JUST CURIOUS WHEN YOU MADE THE DECISIONS OF THE THE DIFFERENT CLASSES CLASSES THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CALLING THEM. YES. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY BE ONE AND I ONE WERE INCLUDED IN THE NEW CLASS T IN THAT CLASS THREE WITH OTHER THE OTHER B AND C MOST OF THE OTHER B AND C ZONES. YEAH. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO B ONE AND I ONE ARE CURRENTLY IN OUR EXISTING CLASS THREE AND THEY FUNCTION AS A VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT OR LOW IMPACT KIND OF COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. NOT ONLY THAT BUT THERE'S VERY FEW OF THESE PROPERTIES AND WE'RE TRYING THEM ON OUR MAP AND I COULDN'T EVEN FIND THEM SO YEAH SO THEY'RE YOU KNOW NOT B ONE WELL MAYBE NOT EITHER BUT IT'E GOOD TO TRY AND GET YOU KNOW, CONSOLIDATE SOME THOSE THINGS BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY THESE PROPERTIES ACTUALLY HAVE YOU KNOW THEY'RE CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL IN MANY CASES AS FEW OF THEM AS THERE ARE AND THEY HAPPEN TO BE MUCH SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS. SO HAVING A FLAT LOWER FREESTANDING AND BUILDING SIGNAGE ALLOWANCE IS ACTUALLY MORE IN LINE WITH OUR MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS THAN IT IS WITH THE ALLOWANCES WITHIN CLASS THE NEW CLASS THREE OR WHAT ALL TH OTHER COMMERCIAL. OKAY THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT MAKES SENSE. I'LL JUST ASK TWO MORE QUESTIONS. I'M GOING BACK TO THE ELECTRONIC AND VIDEO SIGNS AND TALKING ABOUT DWELL TIME I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CHANGEABLE COPY SIGN AND A GRAPHIC DISPLAY SIGN SO IS CHANGEABLE COPY JUST WORDS MAYOR COMES FROM OCCUR. THAT'S CORRECT. SO JUST TEXT ON A UNIFORM BACKGROUND OF SOME COLOR. OKAY. AND THEN JUST SPECIFICS LIKE THIS PICTURE RIGHT HERE. THAT'S A GRAPHIC, CORRECT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION. I MEAN I CAN WEIGH IN ON THE SPECIFICS THAT YOU WANT BUT KIND OF MORE GENERAL IN THE INITIAL FEEDBACK FROM EXTERNAL AND THIS WAS LIKE GOING WAY BACK INTO THE DOCUMENTS THE THERE WAS AN INDICATION THAT IN OTHER CITIES IT WAS LAID OUT IN TABLE FORMAT AND SO IT WAS EASIER UNDERSTAND LIKE WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WERE AND SO I NOTICED WE HAVE TABLES IN OUR NEWLY DEVELOPED ORDINANCE LANGUAGE AND IS THAT WHAT THEY WERE REFERRING TO OR IS THERE SOME WAY WE COULD EVEN HAVE LIKE THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE BUT THEN HAVE A TOOL THAT MAKES IT EVEN MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND SIMPLE AMERICANS FROM DECATUR AND GENERALLY WE CAN UTILIZE WE WOULD TRY AND UTILIZE TABLES AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO TYPICALLY WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF INPUTS LIKE THE NUMBER OF SIGN DISTRICTS AND A LOT OF ROWS IF THAT MAKES SENSE SORRY THE STANDARDS ON TOP ROWS ARE THE SAME DISTRICTS IN THE ROWS BUT TAKE FOR EXAMPLE ELECTRONIC YOU COULD EASILY MOVE THIS INFORMATION INTO A TABLE. IT WOULD BE A SMALLER DISCRETE TABLE BUT YES WE TRY AND UTILIZE THAT FORMATTING BECAUSE. IT'S MUCH EASIER FOR INSTALLERS IT'S MOSTLY SIGNED AND INSTALLERS WHO REVIEW OUR CODE SOMETIMES BUSINESSES USUALLY ONLY WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG BUT YES SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IT'S MUCH EASIER TO LOCATE THIS INFORMATION. OUR CURRENT SIGN CODE IN DEFERENCE TO, YOU KNOW, THE STAFF AND THE GROUP THAT PUT THAT IN THE NINETIES IT'S JUST A VERY LONG REDUNDANT LIST UNDER EACH SIGN DISTRICT AND IT BECOMES VERY FFICULT TO FIN WHA YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN THAT FORMAT. WELL THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE SO I DID AND YOU RECALL THE UNIFORMITY OF CONSTRUCTION STYLE WAS ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND I AM IN FAVOR WITH WHAT THE STAFF PROPOSING AND THEN I ALSO AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE CHANGE TO ELECTRONIC SIGNS IN NEAR RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND I'M NOT REMEMBER THE NIGHTTIME RESTRICTION. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN I WILL JUST PLANT THE SEED NOW I WOULD LOVE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT BILLBOARDS BUT I WILL NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT YET IF THERE ARE OTHERS WHO ARE ALSO INTERESTED IN HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR STANDARDS. ALL RIGHT, AGAIN, GENERAL QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL DOUBLE BACK TO THE SPECIFICS HERE. COUNCILMEMBER WOMAN TO ME WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE SLIDES EACH ONE OF THEM OR YEAH I THINK THERE WAS MAYBE A HALF DOZEN I THINK WITH SOMETHING PULLED IN ON THAT THE STAFF WAS LOOKING FOR SPECIFIC DISCUSSION ON OKAY I'LL HOLD THOSE OFTEN SO THEY MIGHT JUST THE ONE OKAY SO THEN I HAD THE ONE QUESTION WITH TO MUNICIPAL ENTITIES ALONG WITH NONPROFIT SERVICES YOU KNOW I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC ZONING YOU KNOW COMPONENTS OR CODES FOR THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT YOU KNOW WITH THAT WITH THAT RESPECT DO OTHER CITIES HAVE AN ADVANTAGE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THOSE SEPARATE DISTRICTS DISTRICTS WHEN IT RELATES TO HOW THEY ENFORCE YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE PARTICULAR ENTITIES THERE ARE LIKE THAT AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY QUESTION YOU KNOW BECAUSE I SEE THAT WH THE WITH THE THE SPECIAL USE SCIENCE STANDARDS WITH RESPECT TO SCHOOLS BUT THEN MY QUESTION THEN RELIES RESPECT TO YOU KNOW, YOUR FIRE STATIONS AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE MY QUESTION LIES. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW OF THE LAWS THOSE CITIES HAVE AN ADVANTAGE WHEN THEY HAVE THOSE THOUGH SEPARATE YOU CAN SEPARATE THAT OUT YEAH MAYOR COUNCILOR ALONE AND I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD SAY THEY HAVE AN ADVANTAGE BUT THERE'S TWO PRIMARY WISE WAYS FROM THE SAME ORDINANCES I'VE REVIEWED TO KIND OF ORGANIZE REGULATORY ALLOWANCES AROUND SIGNAGE THERE'S EITHER THEIR ZONING DISTRICT OR ASSIGNED DISTRICT BY CONSOLIDATING ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE SAME DISTRICTS OR IT'S BY USES SPECIFICALLY. AND SO YOU'LL SEE SOME SIGN CODES THAT HAVE INDUSTRIAL USE SIGNAGE STANDARDS OR RETAIL OR YOU KNOW SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND SO THEY CERTAINLY COULD HAVE A GOVERNMENT ONE YOU'RE CORRECT IN THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED SOME OF THAT ISSUE BY HAVING SPECIAL STANDARDS FOR LARGER PARKS WHICH ARE ZONED R ONE WHICH IS ALL THAT MOST OF OUR PUBLIC PROPERTIES OR GOVERNMENT PROPERTIES ARE ZONED R ONE BUT THE OTHER THAT WE DO THAT IS BY HAVING ALLOWANCES FOR NONRESIDENTIAL USES IN CLASS ONE WHICH IS ALSO UTILIZED BY PLACES OF ASSEMBLY WHICH ARE R ONE. AND SO THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN WAY THAT YOU GET AROUND IT NOW YOU CAN KIND OF CREATE EITHER MORE SIGNAGE OR LESS SIGNAGE FOR NON RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE R ONE THAT'S UP TO US WHEREVER WE SET THE PARAMETER SO TO SPEAK. BUT I MEAN ANECDOTALLY FROM GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS PREVIOUSLY WITH THE FIRE STATIONS FOR EXAMPLE THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE, THE QUANTITY OF SIGNAGE THEY FOUND ADEQUATE TO MEET THEIR NEEDS. SO YOU CERTAINLY CAN VISIT THOSE SITES AND SEE IF THAT'S KIND OF AN APPROPRIATE OR AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE THEY UTILIZE A FLAT AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE. THERE ARE SOME CAPS ON THE NUMBER AND THEN JUST IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT PER WALL AREA. BUT WHAT WOULD SAY IS THAT THEY EFFECTIVELY UTILIZED A SIMILAR ALLOWANCE BECAUSE THE ALLOWANCE ISN'T PROPOSED TO CHANGE THAT MUCH FROM EXISTING THE CODE , THE FORMATTING AND HOW THE INFORMATION IS DELIVERED IS MUCH DIFFERENT BUT THE OVERALL ALLOWANCE AND THE CLASS ONE REMAINS RELATIVELY THE SAME. YEAH I THAT'S SORT OF I MEAN NOT SO MUCH FOR THAT ASPECT OF IT THAT CERTAINLY GETS ME PART OF IT BUT IT'S JUST THOSE ALL THOSE NONPROFITS IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING DO OR WHEN COUNTY COMES IN OR OTHER YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES COME IN AND THEY WANT TO TRY TO PROVIDE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SERVICE THOSE ARE KIND OF THE CONCERNS I KIND OF HAVE, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT AND SINCE ARE LOOKING AT IT THAT'S SORT OF WHERE MY QUESTION IS IF WE ARE TO YOUR OR DAVE OR DEEPER INTO THAT THOSE PIECES SO IN PARTICULAR WITH WITH THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION WE TALK ABOUT CREATIVITY AND THAT TYPE OF THING YOU KNOW AS WE KIND OF MOVE IN OUR DIRECTION AS A CITY I WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE LOOK AT LARGER AND WHAT THEY DO YOU KNOW MINNEAPOLIS SAINT PAUL HOW DO WE ALLOW THAT CREATIVITY TO EXIST SINCE WE HAVE THAT THAT RESIDENTIAL STANDARD CLASS? I THINK IT'S WELL TAKEN AND YOU COULD YOU KNOW YOU COULD TWEAK SPECIAL USE STANDARDS FOR AGAIN THERE'S WANT TO TRY AND LIMITHE USE OF SPECIAL USE DISTRICTS BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S CERTAIN PROPERTIES IN THE R-1 THAT ARE MUCH HAVE MUCH DIFFERENT NEEDS THAN THAN MOST YOU SEE IN OTHER HAND COUNCILMEMBER NELSON PLEASE. YEAH THANK YOU AND I WILL KEEP THOSE GENERAL ALTHOUGH I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF SPECIFIC THINGS THAT I DON'T FRANKLY THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO TAKE THE COUNCIL'S TIME GOING THROUGH. SO MY QUESTION IS YOU'RE STILL LOOKING FOR INPUT FROM OTHER GROUPS AND THINGS TO THE SPECIFICS. OKAY. IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN BECAUSE I SEE SOME THINGS WITH REGARDS TO REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY, THE HOME REMODELING INDUSTRY SPECIFICS IN HERE THAT I THINK WOULD BE GOOD. I'LL HELP CONNECT YOU AND SHARE SOME THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU AND BE VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER HERE FOR THROUGH WITH A GENERAL QUESTIONS WANT YOU JUST IF YOU COULD RUN THROUGH THE YEAH AND I APPRECIATE AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT IN THAT REGARD TOO I KIND OF STRUGGLE WITH THIS TYPE OF THING PAGE DOCUMENT OF YOU KNOW HOW TO HOW TO BEST UTILIZE YOUR TIME AND YOU KNOW AND TSE THINGS BUT YEAH SO LIKE ONE OF THE THESE ARE JUST THE THINGS THAT TO THE MORE I'LL BE FRANK TO GLENN AND I THESE THINGS ARE THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR THE MOST OR WHERE WE THINK THAT WE JUST WANTED THE MOST DIRECTION ON. SO THIS UNIFORMITY OF CONSTRUCTION ISSUE I KNOW THAT SOME CITIES ESTABLISHED THAT STAFF HAS PRESENTED TO YOU FOR FIVE OR SO REASONS WHY WE DON'T THINK THAT'S THE BEST ROLE OF THE SAN CODE TO ENFORCE THAT THING BUT THAT BEING SAID ONE OF THE PURPOSES IS MANAGING VISUAL CLUTTER. IT'S WHERE YOU WANT TO DRAW THAT LINE IN TERMS OF HOW VALUABLE OR IMPORTANT YOU THINK THAT IS TO THE ESTHETICS OF THE AS YOU LOOK AT IT. SO WE WOULD BE SEEKING GUIDANCE ON THAT. BUT I'LL BE BLUNT IT DOES ADD LAYERS OF COMPLEXITY THAT ARE SOMETIMES FRUSTRATING AND NOT JUST FOR STAFF FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH, THANK YOU. IS THAT OFTENTIMES ALSO JUS CLARIFIED B THE BUILDING NER SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN STANDARDS THEY FOR UNIFORMITY AS WELL? IT MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED IN . YEAH MAYOR COUNCILOR NELSON ONE THING I DIDN'T MENTION IN MY PRESENTATION SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE THIS PROCESS CALLED A UNIFORM SIGNED DESIGN AND IT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR ALL MULTITENANT PROPERTIES AND DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS AS WELL AS FOR HOTELS AND A FEW OTHER REASONS THAT UNNECESSARY FOR BUT THIS NEW SIGN CODE HAS A SIMILAR PROCESS CALLED THE COMPREHENSIVE SIGN PLAN WHERE IN PROPERTY OWNER CAN APPLY TO ESTABLISH THIS TYPE SYSTEM ON THEIR PROPERTY WHERE THEY DO VE T HAVE UNIRM CONSTRUCTION SO I SHOULD SAY THAT THIS SANCO DOESN'T IT COMPLETELY THERE IS A PATHWAY FOR PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WANT AN APPROVAL TO BE ESTABLISHED ON THEIR LOT SO THAT NO ONE CAN APPLY FOR A SIGNED PERMIT OF THE SAME TYPE THAT DOESN'T MEET THEIR NEED. THERE IS A PATHWAY TO THAT IT'S JUST NOW OPTIONAL DISCRETIONARY BUT YES A LOT OF TIMES I KNOW I DON'T WANT TO SINGLE OUT CHRIS ANDERSON BUT EITHER ONE USER JUST COMES TO MY MIND THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM THAT THEIR SIGNAGE BE MET AT SOUTHTOWN FOR EXAMPLE OR SOME OF THE OTHER MULTI TENANTS. SO IT'S VERY MUCH SOME IT'S SOMETHING THAT SOME PROPEY OWNERS ARE JUST WANT TO GET THE TENANT IN AND ESTABLISH THE BUSINESS. THEY'RE NOT TOO PARTICULAR ABOUT WHAT THE SIGN LOOKS LIKE AND OTHERS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM TO REMAIN UNIFORMITY AND THAT'S WHERE WE THINK THAT DISCUSSION IS BEST HERE. GOOD. SO WITH THAT I'LL MAYBE GO ON TO THE NEXT LET'S DO THAT. SOUNDS GOOD AGAIN. I'M JUST GOING TO FOCUS ON THE BOLD ONES. WAS THERE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING SIGNS ON ALL FOUR BUILDING ELEVATIONS OF COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES SO LONG AS WE MANAGE THE LIGHTING AND BRIGHTNESS NUISANCE ISSUES THAT OC SEEING AND HAD NOT AND THAT WAS MARY LOHMANN QUESTION I'M GOING TO HOLD MY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE TOO LATER ON. I THINK WE'RE ON ONE NOW. SO IF YOU'VE GOT A QUESTION I GUESS I THINK IF YOU DON'T I WOULD I'D LIKE TO COME BACK TO THIS ONE AFTER I HAVE THE OTHER OTHER PIECE BECAUSE I THINK THAT MIGHT ANSWER MY OKAY IF YOU DON'T MIND. I MEAN IF NOT I DON'T WANT TO GO TO THAT SLIDE AND THEN HAVE A JUMPING AROUND SO I CAN MAKE THAT WORK. I GUESS SO DWELL TIME ELECTRONIC SIGNS AGAIN THIS IS ONE THAT WE GET A WIDE RANGE OF FEEDBACK ABOUT AND JUST AGAIN JUDGING FROM THE RANGE THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE REGION 3 SECONDS ALL THE WAY UP TO 60 MINUTES THIS IS REALLY SOMETHING THAT THE GOVERNING BODIES AND THE PLANNING AND COUNCIL CAN REALLY KIND OF SETTLE IN AND ESTABLISH WHAT THEY THINK IS APPROPRIATE FOR THEIR COMMUNITY. SO THIS COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, THANK YOU SO. IF WE COULD START OFF WITH THE RESIDENTIAL SET BACK PIECE BECAUSE WHEN I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WITH THE THE LIGHTING STANDARD WHAT IS THAT YOU KNOW JUST GENERALLY WE HAVE WITHIN THAT STANDARD SO I'M THINKING ABOUT YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING DOWN YOU KNOW PAN AVENUE AND WE HAD THAT THAT ISSUE WITH THE WITH THE STORAGE UNITS WHERE YOU HAD THE BRIGHT SIGN GOING HOW DOES THAT FIT WITH THIS THIS PIECE? HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SO EVERY SIGN IN BLOOMINGTON IS SUBJECT TO A MAXIMUM BRIGHTNESS. IT'S CLED NITS. KENDALL IS PER SQUARE METER AND THE INTENSITY OF THE LIGHT THAT YOU CAN CAST OFF THAT IN IS DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHETHER YOU ARE WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND SO THAT'S WHAT ESTABLISHES THAT WHEN WE GET A SIGNED PERMIT AND IT'S NEAR RESIDENTIAL IT'S A IT'S A BLATANT CONDITION RIGHT ON THE PERMIT THAT GOES OUT YOU CAN ONLY BE THIS BRIGHT YOUR SIGN AND IT WILL BE INSPECTED AND WE DO AND SO WE DO ISSUE ORDERS WHEN THEY DON'T CONFORM TO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BUT THAT'S HOW THE BASIC PROGRAM WORKS. IF YOU'RE AND WE WE ARE STILL KIND OF A DIRT WE'RE NOT WE HAVEN'T ADOPTED THE FORMAL DARK SKIES ORDINANCE. I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT BUT WE HAVE MANY DARK SKIES ELEMENTS OUR LIGHTING CODE AND ONE OF ONE OF THOSE IS WHICH IS ESTABLISHING MAXIMUM BRIGHTNESS ON DIFFERENT SOURCES OF LIGHT INCLUDING SIGNS. AND SO WHEN I USE CLOSE AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A STANDARD SIGN OR, AN ELECTRONIC SIGN THERE'S MAXIMUM BRIGHTNESS LEVELS THAT THAT SIGN CAN AND WHAT IT REALLY DOES EFFECTIVELY IS IN THE EVENING TIME IT DULLS IT DOWN TO A LEVEL THAT CREATES LESS OF A NUISANCE THE ABUTTING OR ADJACENT PROPERTIES. OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE MY MAIN YOU KNOW MAYOR WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS IS WHERE MY MAIN CONCERN IS IT'S AROUND NUISANCE YOU KNOW RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES YOU KNOW SO IF YOU GOT THAT YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW A HUNDRED FOOT STANDARD OR WHATEVER THAT IS WHICH FROM THE LIGHTING PERSPECTIVE OR IF IT'S A YOU KNOW IF IT'S PLAYING ALL THE TIME WHICH IS KIND OF MY NEXT MY NEXT QUESTION IS AROUND THE AROUND THE VIDEO WHERE DOES THAT DOES THAT FIT INTO EITHER OF THESE CHANGEABLE COPY OR GRAPHICS? IS THE VIDEO FIT INTO THAT OR IS THIS WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY TO THAT STANDARD WE RELY YOU HAVE A WHOLE VIDEO PLAYING YEAH MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN VIDEO SIGNS AND BILLBOARDS GET INTO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT BILLBOARDS SO THOSE ARE THE RESTRICTIONS ON THEM TODAY ARE EFFECTIVELY KIND OF ELIMINATES NEW OPPORTUNITIES TO DO IT NOT FOR NOT SO MUCH FOR VIDEO SIGNS BUT IN SO MUCH AS THIS VIDEO SIGNS ARE NOT ALLOWED WHERE THEY'RE VISIBLE TO ADJOINING PROPERTIES OR THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY SO THAT ELIMINATES A LOT OF THE LOCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE VIDEO SIGNS IN BLOOMINGTON. SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION YEAH. NO, I THINK THAT ANSWERS IT PRETTY CLEARLY. SO THEN I GUESS MY NEXT MY NEXT PIECE THEN I'LL GO TO AND THEN I'LL JUST STATE MY I THINK I'M DONE WITH MY QUESTIONS HERE SO I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT THIS POLICY FOR SUCH IS THE NUISANCE COMPONENT OF I'M CONCERNED I WANT TO I'D RATHER BE MORE CAREFUL OR MORE RESTRICTIVE AT THE BEGINNING OF IT AND THEN LOOSEN THAT STANDARD UP A LITTLE BIT MORE YOU KNOW OKAY WELL IS THIS IS THIS OKAY DOES THIS WORK BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A LOT HARDER TO KIN OF RAMP BACK YOU KNOW IT OR YOU KNOW YOU HAVE YOUR RESIDENTS TO SAY HEY YOU KNOW I'M OKAY WITH THAT YOU KNOW HAVING THIS THIS RIGHT THING HERE, YOU KNOW I SUPPORT THAT. YOU KNOW THAT'S ALWAYS AND THE OTHER THING AROUND YOU KNOW, THIS THIS GRAPHIC PIECE IS THAT I KNOW THAT THE THE NATIONAL AND NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES THING WE HAVE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION TALK ABOUT YOU KNOW THE ZERO DEATH KIND OF PIECE AND I KNOW YOU'VE KIND OF TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SURVEY OUT THERE OF THE LITERATURE OUT THERE. BUT I'M REALLY YOU KNOW, I'M CONCERNED AND I KNOW THAT PLANNERS THAT I WORK WITH BEFORE WHEN I WAS WAS HERE WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE GRAPHIC I KNOW SIGNS OR VIDEO SIGNS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE. YOU KNOW HOW THAT COULD LEAD TO THAT AND THAT'S THE MAIN CONCERN I HAVE A SAID YOU KNOW EITHER DEATH OR SOME TYPE OF CASUALTY AS YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD OR INJURY THAT TYPE OF THING. SO AGAIN I'D LIKE TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN YOU KNOW, BE CAUTIOUS AS WE KIND OF MOVE DOWN THAT THAT THAT PROCESS OF THAT AND THEN OPEN UP THE STANDARDS OR IF THERE'S SOME TYPE OF EVIDENCE THAT'S OUT THERE THAT SHOWS THAT YOU KNOW, THAT YOU KNOW, LESS TN 8 SECONDS IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL OR LESS THAN 10 MINUTES, YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CREATE THAT. THAT'S MY MY GREATEST CONCERN THAT I HAVE AROUND THAT. AND THEN ONCE YOU KIND OF DO THAT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO PULL THAT BACK IN WE'RE ALSO A VERY LARGE CITY SO WE'RE YOU KNOW, I THINK FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING TO SEE WHAT WE DO AROUND THE SIGNAGE STUFF AND TRY TO ADOPT YOU KNOW SIMILAR SORT OF SO I WANT BE CAREFUL WITH THAT SO AS I LOOK AT THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT AND I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS WE HAVE HERE I THINK SO AND IT AND MAYOR COUNCILOR MALONE IF I CAN ADD TO TWO ELEMENTS AND I SHOULD HAVE EXPLAINED THIS BETTER WHEN THINKING ABOUT KIND OF THE SCIENCE ODWEL TIME WHAT YOU'RE REALLY I MEAN YOU CAN GO VERY STRICT AND SOME CITIES HAVE AS I MENTIONED BUT WHAT YOU'RE REALLY TRYING TO MINIMIZE IS THE AMOUNT THAT THE SIGN IS CHANGING WHILE THE NUMBER OF TIMES THE SIGN IS CHANGING WHEN ONE IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MOTOR VEHICLES WHEN ONE TRAVELER IS PASSING THAT SIGN AND THAT OBVIOUSLY DEPENDS ON ROADWAY SPEED LIKE I SAID. BUT WHAT THAT GETS YOU TO IS IF YOU ONLY WANT THAT SIGN TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE ONCE FOR THE MAJORITY OR EVEN A GOOD PROPORTION OF DRIVERS YOU TO DWELL TIME THAT'S A MINUTE OR MORE NOT YOU KNOW A FEW SECONDS BECAUSE THEN THERE'S THE POTENTIAL TO SEE MULTIPLE CHANGES A PASSING MOTORIST OR TRAVELER. SO THERE'S THAT PIECE OF IT. DARN IT. I FORGOT THE SECOND PIECE OF IT. FORGIVE ME. OOPS I'LL RETURN TO IT IF I THINK OF IT. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THE OTHER THING I'D SAY THOUGH THAT A LOT OF CITIES DON'T HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS BETWEEN CHANGEABLE COPY AND GRAPHICS AND THE REASON THAT BLOOMINGTON DOES AND SOME CITIES DO IS THAT GRAPHICS ARE MORE DISTRACTING OR MORE HAVE MORE ISSUES. THERE'S JUST THERE IS SOME SCIENCE BEHIND THAT. SO YOU'RE SAYING IF WE WERE TO TAKE THE GRAPHICS DOWN ONE MINUTE THAT MIGHT ONLY DEPENDING ON THE SPEED REALLY AMOUNT TO BEING ONE YOU KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE ONE CHANGE WHILE YOU'RE WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH THE AREA. IS THAT WHAT I'M GOING SAY? AND THEN WE WOULD INCREASE THE CHANGEABLE COPY UP TO ONE MINUTE IS THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOUR FORGIVE ME I DIDN'T AND COUNCILOR ALONE I DIDN'T MEAN TO CONFUSE I THINK THE EIGHT WE WERE ONE THING WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WITH FIDGETING WITH 8 SECONDS IS THAT TRE'S A LOT OF PROPERTIES THAT HAVE THESE SIGNS THAT ARE ALREADY KIND OF OPERATING UNDER THAT SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO PUT THE DRAGON BACK IN THE BOX WHICH ILLUSTRATES MY POINT EXACTLY. SO YES, FORGIVE ME BUT SO I THINK WE I WE STILL THINK IT IS SENSICAL TO MAINTAIN TWO DIFFERENT STANDARDS BECAUSE THEY POSE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF CONCERN OR THREAT TO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO USE IN THAT REGARD. SO WE THINK THAT'S GOOD. IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IF YOU LOWER IT JUST TO A MINUTE THAT IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE TRAVEL SPEED IN TERMS OF HOW MANY TRANSITIONS OF THE SIGN YOU'LL SEE IF Y'REN AOW SPEED ROADWAY AND IT'S A 32ND DWELL TIME AND YOU'RE ON A VERY LONG QUARTER YOU CAN IMAGINE A QUARTER LIKE LYNDALE IT'S POSSIBLE COULD SEE TWO TRANSITIONS IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME AND SO IT JUST KIND OF DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR TOLERANCE IS. THE SECOND THING I REMEMBER I WAS GOING TO SAY I AM GOING TO GO BACK TO THAT BUT THE NIGHTTIME YOU SAID YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE NUISANCE CHARACTERISTICS IF THERE'S GREATER CONCERN ABOUT THE NUISANCE CHARACTER AND I HAVE SEEN OTHER CITIES DO THIS YOU COULD REQUIRE THE SIGNS TO BE EXTINGUISHED DURING THE NIGHTTIME WHEN THEY'RE IN PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL USES. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS EITHER STATIC OR EXTINGUISHED AND THE REASON THAT WE'REROPONG IS JUST THAT THEY DO IT DOES HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF ENFORCEMENT ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. IF YOU'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH A STANDARD THAT ALL ELECTRONIC SIGNS CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL USES AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT IT'S A LOT OF PLACES ASSEMBLY TYPICALLY HAVE THESE SIGNS THE CITY IS GOING TO BE DOING SOME ENFORCEMENT ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS IF IT HAS TO BE TURNED THEY MIGHT HAVE TO STILL BE DOING SOME OF IT JUST TO REMAIN STATIC TO BUT IN OTHER WORDS THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THE LEVERS YOU CAN PULL TO BE MORE CAUTIOUS AS YOU SAID THAN LESS THE OTHER I DIDN'T SAY AUT ELECTRONIC SIGNS IS ONE DYNAMIC IS THAT THIS IS BECOMING MORE AFFORDABLE AS TIME GOES ON AND SO WE WE WITHIN THE PLANNING DIVISION VERY MUCH CAN ENVISION ENVIRONMENT 40 OR 50 OR MAYBE EVEN SOONER YEARS FROM NOW THE MAJORITY OF SIGNS ARE ELECTRONIC SIGNS NOT NOT LESS OR A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THEM BECAUSE OF THE COST. SO WITH A LOWER DWELL TIME YOU CAN IMAGINE EVERY BUILDING NOW HAS ONE OF THESE SIGN TYPES AND THEIR FREESTANDING SIGNS ARE THAT SIGN TYPE AND IF THEY'RE ALL ALLOWED TO HAVE VERY LOW DWELL TIMES YOU'RE BASICALLY IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO MANAGE THE VISUAL AND ALL OF JUST THE BOMBARDMENT OF COMMERCIAL MESSAGES THAT ARE ALONG YOUR STREETSCAPE. SO THAT'S WHERE IT REALLY BECOMES A CONCERN AND THAT MIGHT BE A CITY COUNCIL'S PROBLEM THAT YOU KNOW THE 2016 CITY COUNCIL'S PROBLEM NOT THE 2023 PROBLEM BUT BUT I ALSO ABOUT THE DRAG AND BACK IN THE BOX DYNAMIC THAT I ALSO JUST SAID SO IT'S IT'S TRICKY I DON'T KNOW IT'S TOUGH AND I APPRECIATE AND HONESTLY I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT FROM THAT PERECTI ALTHOUGH IF YOU PLAY OUT THAT SCENARIO BOY WE CAN GO TO A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS IN TERMS OF THAT AS WELL. NO CARS OR I WAS THINKING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF ADVERTISEMENTS ON YOUR WINDSHIELD ON THE INSIDE OF YOUR WINDSHIELD ALL PROJECTED YOU KNOW ANY NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS REGARDING THE DWELL TIME I WOULD SAY THAT 3 SECONDS IS PROBABLY WAY TOO SHORT AND AN HOUR IS WAY TOO LONG AND TOO LOOKS THANK YOU AND SO THAT'S I APPRECIATE JUST JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH THIS JUST THIS 8 SECONDS IN 10 MINUTES MAKES SENSE I MEAN TO MAKE A AN ELECTRONIC SIGN WORTH ANYTHING IF THE HAS GOT TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE EITHER AND FRANKLY I THINK WE SEE THAT ALSO WITHIN THE CITY I MEAN YOU LOOK AT NORM DALE AND 84TH AND RIGHT OUT FRONT HERE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE SEE THAT IF IT'S IF IT'S HANGING ON THE SAME MESSAGE FOR FAR FOR TOO LONG ITOES THERE'S NO BENEFIT TO IT THERE REALLY IS NO BENEFIT TO IT. SO I APPRECIATE THE THE 8 SECONDS THE 10 MINUTES IT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE. I CAN'T SAY IT'S THE ABSOLUTE BEST THING. I CAN'T SAY IT'S THE ABSOLUTE WORST THING BUT I THINK IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE THE RESEARCH AND THE DATA ON IT AND CAN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT SAYS THIS IS THE MAGIC NUMBER, I THINK THIS MAKES AS MUCH SENSE AS ANYTHING ELSE. TO COUNCILMEMBER LOEHMANN'S POINT REGARDING THE NIGHTTIME I THINK ABSOLUTELY STATIC BETWEEN NINE AND 7 A.M. I YOU'RE AWHERE NEAR A RESIDENTIAL, I THINK THAT JUST MAKES A LOT OF SENSE AND AND I DON'T KNOW IF TURNED OFF BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT THERE WITH THE ENFORCEMENT COME UP BUT ABSOLUTELY STATIC I WOULD HATE TO SEE THINGS CHANGING AND FLASHING AND BEING THAT MUCH OF A DISTRACTION YOU KNOW IN THE NIGHTTIME HOURS ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT COUNCIL MARY THE LAST THING I'LL SAY ABOUT IT IS THAT I THINK WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN SOME FDBAC CONCERNED ABOUT 10 MINUTES SO I'M JUST THAT THAT'S GOING TO COME YOUR WAY BUT YOU KNOW IT'S GOOD TO KNOW COMING DOWN THE PIKE HERE BUT YES IT'S A TRICKY THING. SURE. THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK THOUGH. I THINK THAT WAS IT ON THE SPECIFIC OKAY. ON THE SPECIFIC TOPICS AGAIN THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ORDINANCES WHERE WE ALMOST DON'T KNOW WHERE TO DO THE SPECIFICS AND COUNCILMEMBER NELSON MENTIONED THE DIFFICULTY OF GOING LINE BY LINE THROUGH A YOU KNOW, A 35 PAGE DOCUMENT. SO BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE REALLY INTERESTED IN IS THE BIGGER PICTURE IS ARE DO WE FEELE'RE IN A PLACE TO MOVE TOWARDS A PUBLIC HEARING TYPE SETTING? I FEELING CONFIDENT COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN DID YOU WANNA MAKE YOUR YOUR POINT TRYING TO ASK YOUR QUESTION NO THEY'VE GOT A COUPLE OTHER ONES AND AND I CAN BE JUST REAL REAL QUICKLY WE DID TALK ABOUT THE SPECIAL USE SCIENCE STANDARD PIECE AND I'D LOVE TO COME AND TALK WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. I DON'T WANT TO WASTE OUR TIME UP HERE. YOU KNOW GET INTO THOSE DETAILS. I REMEMBER I WAS HERE WHEN WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING AND I KIND OF LOVE THIS STUFF. SO THEN MY OTHER OTHER ONE IS AROUND THE AREA SIGN PIECE SO WHEN YOU KNOW WE HAD THE FOOTAGE LIMITS FOR THE DIFFERENT CSSES'M CURIOUS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOU KNOW ABOUT THOSE LIMITS ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE SIGNAGE WE HAD IT BACK THERE THE OTHER WAY GO BACK ONE MORE I THINK YEAH THIS ONE HERE I THINK IS THE AREA WITH THE FREESTANDING SIGNS SO THE LIMITS THAT ARE ON ON THOSE PARTICULAR SIGNS WAS THE RATIONALE TO TO GET YOU TO THOSE MAXIMUM LIMITS. AND THEN YOU KNOW BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT YOU KNOW WE HAVE WITH THE PMP OR THE YOU KNOW WE DO THAT THAT WHOLE KNOW FRONT FOOTAGE TYPE OF THING AND THEN KIND OF YOU KNOW BASE THE TAXES ON THAT I WOULD JUST JUST CURIOUS I'LL STOP THERE AND LET YOU KIND OF ANSWER IT SO I MAY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. YEAH. MARIN MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER LONG AND GOOD QUESTIONS AND I THINK IT'S SO ONE THING I DIDN'T MENTION TONIGHT THAT I'M GOING TO MENTION IT WHENEVER THIS DOES COME BEFORE A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS THAT I THE CITY IS GOING TO BE IN A BETTER POSITION WITH THESE REGULATIONS TO DO A ONE YEAR LOOKBACK FOLLOWING ADOPTION BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF DATA IN THAT FIRST YEAR OF LIKE WHERE T ORDINCES PERFORMING WELL AND WHERE STANDARDS MAY ARE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF STEP OR SHOULD BE EVALUATED DEPENDING ON KIND OF WHAT WE LEARN OR WHAT WE GLEAN IN THAT FIRST YEAR. SO THAT'S ONE PIECE OF IT. HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THAT CURRENTLY? WE HAVE FLAT ALLOWANCES NOW SO THE 100 SQUARE FEET AUALLY MATCS A LOT OF THE ALLOWANCES FOR A SINE TENANT AND ALL THE MAJORITY OF OUR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL STANDARDS. THERE IS SOME LARGER ALLOWANCES FOR LARGER MULTITENANT SITES IN EXISTING SIGN CODE AND SO THE CAP AT 100 THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN IT'S INFORMED BY WHAT WHAT EXISTS TODAY IN THE SIGN CODE IT'S ALSO INFORMED BY WE LOOKED AT OVER 50 WAL SIGNS AND 25 FREESTANDING SIGNS WE'VE REVIEWED IN THE PAST I DON'T KNOW FIVE OR SEVEN YEARS OR WHATEVER IT WAS AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THIS CAP AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THAT POINT FOUR OF HAVING A FRONTAGE THAT THE EXISTING SIGN THAT WAS THERE MET IT. BUT JUST FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AGAIN GETTING BACK TO THE PURPOSE OF ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF SIGNAGE REGULATIONS IS TO MANAGE THE VISUAL CLUTTER OF SPEECH AS YOU TRAVEL IN THE PUBLIC REALM HAVING A STANDARD THAT IS TIED TO THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY WHICH AT THE BEST MEASURE IS THE LOT FRONTAGE ALONG A PUBLIC STREET JUST TO US MADE THE MOST SENSE IN TERMS OF HOW TO DISTRIBUTE THE AMOUNT OF SIGNAGE WE HAVE SOME SMALL COMMERCIAL SITES OR EVEN ALMOST FLAG SITES THAT EVEN IF YOU HAD JUST A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE YOU WOULD BE GRANTED THE SAME SIGNAGE ALLOWANCE AS A VERY LARGE YOU KNOW, IN SOME CASES MULTI-TENANT PROPERTY. AND WE JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S IN IN THE SAME VEIN OR IN LINE WITH MANAGING VISUAL SO SO THAT'S WHAT INFORMED IT SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT IF YOU HAVE A LARGER SITE THAT YOU COULD GAIN ADDITIONAL FOOTAGE FOR THAT FROM THAT MAXIMUM IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS IT'S DRAFTED IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHERE YOU LOCATED. SO THERE ARE PROVISIONS FOR SOME SITES AND SPECIAL ZONING DISTRICTS BUT ALL THE SITES ALONG 494 SO THE CAP GOES UP BASICALLY AND THE SIGN HEIGHT GOES UP IF YOU'RE ALONG THOSE ROADWAYS BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE DOWNSTREAM EFFECTS OF CONSOLIDATING SOME OF THE SIGN DISTRICTS IS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE CLASS FIVE SITE WHICH IS THE SOUTH TOWN AND THESE LARGER FREEWAY ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT SITES. THEY HAVE VERY LARGE ALLOWANCES FOR SIGNAGE BOTH FROM AN AREA HEIGHT PERSPECTIVE AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE THINGS YOU HAVE TO CREATE LOCATIONAL CRITERIA AS OPPOSED TO WANTING TO HAVE THEM BE SIGN DISTRICTS. SO I GUESS WHERE I'M CHALLENGED WITH AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING CHANGE IT BECAUSE AGAIN YOU KNOW BASED ON THE PRINCIPLE I JUST SAID BEFORE ONCE YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT MUCH LARGER AND NOW YOU'RE TRYING TO SHRINK IT, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT THE THING THAT YOU KNOW YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU KNOW, I TEND TO AGREE WITH ISHAT TH IDE CREATIVITY BY HAVING THIS MAXIMUM ON SOME THESE YOU KNOW THESE RATHER LARGE SITES YOU KNOW THAT THAT CAN RESTRICT CREATIVITY. SO IT ALMOST CONTRADICTS WHAT WE'RE SAYING IN OF OF THAT SO THAT'S WHAT YOU KNOW I'M NOT SAYING FOR THIS DRAFT BUT MAYBE AS WE'RE SORT OF GOING OUT FURTHER WE WANT TO AT THAT AND SEE IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I LIKE TO LOOK BACK AT EXACT KIND OF COVERS THAT BUT THAT SEEM TO BE OF , YOU KNOW, JUST A NUANCED CONTRADICTION. YOU KNOW WHAT CREATIVITY? WE'RE GOING TO MAXIMIZE THIS. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT FROM THE RESTRICTION I DON'TET THAT BUT THAT SEEMED TO AND I SUPPOSE YOU COULD COVER IT BY A VARIANCE BUT YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY OUR GOAL IS THAT THE THE LIKE I'M GOING TO KEEP YOU THIS THE THE LEVERS OR THE LEVER OF WHAT YOU TWEAK SAY NOT PROVIDING ENOUGH SIGNAGE IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN IT CAN BE A VERY SIMPLE OR DISCREET CODE CHANGE JUST TO THAT ONE NUMBER OR THAT ONE MULTIPLICATION FACTOR LATER IF WE CAN GET THE RIGHT STRUCTURE IN THE RIGHT FORMAT IN THE RIGHT ORGANIZATION OF THIS ORDINANCE THEN THE THE LITTLE LEVERS CAN BE EASILY TWEAKED QUITE EASILY DOWN THE ROAD. BUT YES YOU DO HAVE TO LAND SOMEWHERE LIKE COMPUTERS DAY. I THINK THAT'S A SIGN THAT'S ABSOLUTELY A SIGN BY THE END OF MY QUESTIONS THAT I THINK THE FINAL QUESTION THAT HAVE LOOKING AT THE ANTICIPATED TIMELINE AND LOOKING AT THE THAT YOU'VE ALREADY PUT INTO IT INTO ALL OF THIS IS THAT ANTICIPATED TIMELINE ONE THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH AND TRUST ME WE'RE GOING TO GET YOU OUT OF HERE IN JUST A FEW MOMENTS ANYWAY. IT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE ANTICIPATED TIMELINE IN TERMS OF GETTING OUT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION PUBLIC HEARING AND THE CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING IS ON. YEAH. KEVIN AND I ACTUALLY SPOKE JUST BEFORE THE MEETING AND WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT WHAT ARE WE KIND OF STRATEGIZING GAME PLANNED OUT THE NEXT MONTH OR SO OF ACTIVITY THAT SETS THAT UP PROPERLY AND WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT WE CAN MEET THAT IT'S GOING TO BE PULLING TOGETHER AS I SAID ALL THE DIFFERENT CROSS-REFERENCES WITHIN OUR CODE THERE ARE THERE ARE MANY OF THEM SO WE'RE AS I TOUTED THE 35 PAGE SANCO DOCUMENT THE ORDINANCE ITSELF IS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY LONGER THAN THAT. UNFORTUNATELY WE WILL NEED YOU SHOULD DO SUMMARY PUBLICATION AS WELL THAT'S EXACTLY BUT YEAH I THINK WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THIS TIMELINE AND ARE EXCITED TO MOVE THIS ALONG. COUNCIL ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. COUNCIL MEMBER GARDNER THANK YOU MAYOR. SO I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION AROUND THE BILLBOARD IN THE STAFF REPORT. I DO AGREE I MEAN I DON'T THINK WE ALLOW MORE BILLBOARDS BUT THE CURRENT BILLBOARDS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEN THAT THEY THEY ARE SUBJECT TO THE SAME REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS SO IF ONE OF THE OWNERS OF ONE OF THE BILLBOARDS WANTED TO CHANGE TO BE AN ELECTRIC ELECTRONIC SIGN THEY COULD WITHIN A REQUIREMENT THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW POLICY HERE AMERICANS WOULD OCCUR THEY DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW THE DWELL TIME AND WHATEVER YOU ESTABLISH FOR THAT THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO IT. THAT'S AN OPERATIONAL FEATURE. IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO A NON CONFORMITY LIKE BUILDING A STRUCTURE THAT NO LONGER MEETS A SETBACK TYPE OF THING. SO IT WOULD MEET THAT KEVIN'S GOING TO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ONE BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF HIS SWEET SPOTS. SO BUT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFICULTY IN UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE IN TO MAKE A SIGN ELECTRONIC INEVITABLY IT GETS BIGGER BECAUSE THE COMPONENTS OF IT SO YOU'RE EXPANDING THE PHYSICAL SIZE OF THE SIGN AND THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS EXPANDING AND NON-CONFORMITY SO JUST AS A LIKE TO PUT THIS TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT ONE REASON I'M CURIOUS IS BECAUSE I'M A FORMER V BOARD MEMBER I THINK YOU ARE NOW SO MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE OWNS ONE OF THE OR EARNS SOME REVENUE ONE OF THE BILLBOARDS IN BLOOMINGTON SO ONE OF OUR LOCAL NONPROFITS. RIGHT. AND THEY WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT ELECTRONIC AND HAVE MORE MARKETING OR WHATEVER ON THAT SIGN THAT WOULD INCREASE THEIR REVENUE. SO ANYWAY I JUST I WAS THINKING OF IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AND SO SO WANTED TO JUST BETTER UNDERSTAND YEAH . BECAUSE IT WOULD BE MAKING IT SLIGHTLY BIGGER WITH WOULD THE OWNERS OF THESE ROADS BE ABLE TO DO THAT OR NOT? IT DEPENDS. SO KEVIN TO ASK ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY AND MAYOR AND MEMBERS IT'S NICE TO BE HERE. YEAH. SO OUR CURRENT BILLBOARDS ARE LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING SO SUPREME COURT HAS KIND OF TOLD US THAT YOU REALLY HAVE TO KEY IN ON PHYSICAL OF NON-CONFORMITY NOT SAY THINGS LIKE INTENSITY OR BRIGHTNESS THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IF THEY CAN SWAP OUT AND GET AN ELECTRIC BILLBOARD WITHOUT YOU KNOW, EXPANDING THE SIZE OF THE SIGN THE CABINET DEPTH. THEY COULD DO IT. THEY'D BE SUBJECT TO THE UNIFORM WITH DWELL TIME LIKE NICK TALKED ABOUT. BUT I'M THINKING TO BE PRETTY TOUGH TO DO THAT JUST BASED ON CHANGE CHANGING OUT OF CABINET SO THE STATE STANDARD IN SAY A STATE LAW IS SUBSTANTIALLY EQUIVALENT. SO WHENEVER YOU'RE THOSEIZES LARGER TYPICALLY YOU'RE ENCROACHING FURTHER INTO A NON-CONFORMING SETBACKS OR CREATING OTHER PROBLEMS TOO. IT'S NOT JUST THE NATURE OF THE THERE'S OTHERS KIND OF DOWNSTREAM THINGS THAT HAPPEN. SO IF IF SOME OF THE OWNERS OF THESE SIGNS CAME TO US AND SAID HEY WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS, WOULD WE HAVE TO BECAUSE THEY'RE LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING WE JUST HAVE TO CHANGE LIKE WE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR POLICY AS IT RELATES TO BILLBOARDS TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN OR COULD WE MAKE SOME CHANGES AS WE ARE NOW MAYOR AND STILL BE LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING BUT THEY WOULD JUST BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. YEAH MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER CARTER WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT WE'D HAVE TO CHANGE CODE PROBABLY TO GET THERE BUT . IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT DOING BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE A CODE CHANGE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW. SO I MEAN I PERSONALLY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT BUT I AGAIN I'M NOT INTERESTED IN LIKE OPENING UP AREAS FOR MORE BILLBOARDS BUT THE ONES THAT ARE IN PLACE I THINK YOU SAID THERE'S FOUR I MEAN IT SEEMS LIKE IF THEY WANTED TO BRING THEIR BILLBOARDS UP TO THE YOU KNOW, CURRENT CENTURY LIKE THEY THEY THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT BUT SO I'LL JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE. THANK YOU. AND OUR MAYOR AND MEMBERS ARE OUR CURRENT CODE . YOU KNOW BILLBOARDS ARE NON-CONFORMING BUT IF YOU DO SWAP TO AND CAN GET THERE TO SWAP TO ELECTRONIC THERE'S ALL THESE SEVERAL STANDARDS THAT APPLY THAT YOU KNOW HELP WITH NUISANCES SO THE DWELL TIME THE OTHER SEVERAL OTHER KNOW REQUIREMENTS THAT APPLY TO JUST ELECTRONIC BILLBOARDS TOO NUISANCES WILL BE MANAGED SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT THANK YOU. OKAY. FORGIVE MY POOR COMPUTER CHARGING SKILLS. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. COUNCIL OUR LAST ITEM TONIGHT IS 5.3 OUR CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE. I'LL JUST START WITH A QUICK RECAP OF OUR LISTENING SESSION. WE HAD ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC COME INTO OUR LISTENING SESSION KEVIN HANAN AND KEVIN WAS PARKING IN THE BACK OF HIS HOME AND PARKING ON WHAT HE SAID WAS AN APPROPRIATE SURFACE AND HE GOT A COMPLIANCE NOTICE FROM THE CITY SAYING IT WASN'T APPROPRIATE SERVICE. WE DID ASK MR. RUDY TO DIRECT ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH TO TO TO RECTIFY THINGS TO, FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE SITUATION WAS AND TO TO ACT ACCORDINGLY. MR. ALSO HAD OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT A HOLE IN HIS BACKYARD FROM A REMOVE UTILITY POLE AND CUT CABLE LINES AND A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS AGAIN ASKED MR. RUDY TO LOOK INTO THAT AND AND WE'LL GET A REPORT BACK HOPEFULLY THAT THINGS WORKED OUT TO EVERYONE'S SATISFACTION. AND THE SECON TNG THAT I WANT TO BRING UP TODAY I BACK ON NOVEMBER 22ND BLOOMINGTON LOST A A TITAN OF THE CITY GIL GIL WILLIAMS WAS JUST HUGE AND HE PASSED AWAY AT AGE 87. A HECK OF A GUY DID SO MUCH FOR THIS COMMUNITY OVER SO LONG AND WE'RE VERY SAD TO SEE HIM GO DID NOT REALIZE THAT HE WAS ACTUALLY THE CHAIR OF THE BLOOMINGTON HRT BLOOMINGTON SCHOOL BOARD AND SERVED WITH THE JAYCEES AND THE BLOOMINGTON YOUTH COMMISSION. BUT HIS BIG OF COURSE WAS THE BLOOMINGN CMUNITY FOUNDATION. HE WAS PRESIDENT THERE SINCE 1996, ALSO WORKED QUITE A BIT WITH NORMAN DALE COMMUNITY COLLEGE WITH ART HISTORY. HE WAS HE HAD A HUGE IMPACT ON THIS COMMUNITY AND HE'S GOING TO BE MISSED AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AND SEND OUR CONDOLENCES TO FAMILY AND SEND A THANKS TO GIL FOR ALL HE DID FOR THIS COMMUNITY OVER A LONG, LONG TIME. HE DID A GREAT WORK GREAT WORK . MR. BRUIN, ANYTHING TO ADD TONIGHT, SIR? COUNCIL ANYTHING TO BRING FORWARD COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN THANK MAYOR. I'M GLAD YOU WERE ABL TO MENTION THAT IT CAME UP AT THE ROTARY MEETING. WELL TODAY HE'S ALSO A MEMBER OF THE ROTARY AS WELL SO I WANT TO BE SURE WE MENTION AS WELL THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS VERY MUCH TO ENJOY OUR EQUITY OUR RACE AND EQUITY AND INCLUSION REVIEW OF ALL OF OUR POLICIES . YOU KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE I THINK WAS LAST YEAR IS THAT WE PASSED A CLIMATE AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO DO JUST AS A AS A DELIBERATIVE BODY IS TO START LOOKING AT MAYBE ADDING IN THAT SUSTAINABILITY POLICY REVIEW WE GET TO THE END OF A LOT OF OUR ARE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT MAYBE NOT EVERYTHING YOU KNOW BECAUSE ONE QUESTION I HAD THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO ASK YOU KNOWAS ASSIGNED THESIS YOU KNOW YOU KNOW IS THERE ANYTHING AROUND THAT IS THERE LITERATURE ON THAT TO DEAL WITH THE SAME THING OR IF YOU YOU KNOW HAVE THE SIGNS LOCATED A CERTAIN WAY OR CERTAIN MATERIALS IF YOU COULD PUT THAT IN THERE, IS THERE A SUSTAINABLE BENEFIT TO REDUCTION OF GREENHOUSE IMPACTS? SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW THAT OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS WOULD BE INTERESTED IN , I KNOW THAT I AS A CONSUR BE INTERESTED IN THAT AS IT I DON'T KNOW AGAIN YOU HAVE TO YOU KNOW, CRAWL, WALK AND RUN WITH ANY POLICY TYPE OF THING AND I THINK WE'VE WE'VE GOTTEN PRETTY FAR ALONG WITH THE THE RACE AND EQUITY REVIEW PIECE BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE US TO START LOOKING AT THE SUSTAINABILITY AND IT MIGHT MAKE SOME SENSE AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SUSTAINABILITY PIECE SINCE WE HAD THEM LINKING THAT WITH THE HEALTH COMPONENT OF IT TO KIND OF TRY TO DO BOTH THINGS AT THE SAME TIME. SO POINT BY POINT COUNCILMEMBER CARTER SO I AM DEFINITELY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT I ACTUALLY I THOUGHT WE WERE GOIN TO BE MOVING FORWARD ON THAT. MR. MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER CARTER AND LOWMAN WE HAVE BEEN INCHING TOWARDS IT. WE WERE USING MORE OF A HEALTH AND OR PRISM THAT SORT OF WRAPS IN THE EQUITY AND THE SUSTAINABILITY AND THE HEALTH IMPACTS. SO HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T PERFECTED IT YET BUT WE ARE WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS IT. THANK YOUOUNSEL. ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING UP? IF NOT WE ARE THROUGH OUR AGENDA COUNCIL I WILL LOOK A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS EVENING SOME OF WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND TO ADJOURN THIS EVENING. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSE MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO THANKS MUCH COUNCIL FOR YOUR WORK TONIGHT THANK YOU TO THE STAFF FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE INFORMATION AND TO EVERYBODY WHO TUNED IN . HAVE A GOOD REST OF WEEK. THANK YOU