Let's call the meeting to order. Stand for pledge of allegiance, please. >> Thank you all. Roll call, please. Council member Nordby >> here. >> Council member Woods >> here. >> Council member McKenzie >> here. >> Council member Schwar is absent. Mayor Mongi >> here. Thank you very much. Can I have a motion to adopt the agenda, please? >> So moved. >> So moved. Council member Woods. Second. McKenzie. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Thank you very much. >> All right. First up, we have uh two presentations. First up is the Medallion Hunt presentation. Um, we have Nick Casey here to discuss. Step up, please. >> Hi, my name is Nick Casey. Um, and I came up with a great idea for uh a community involvement project that I wanted to do here in North St. Paul. Um, I help out a lot in South St. Paul, my hometown. Um, I don't live there anymore. I live in Maplewood. But, um, >> because they won't hold you against for Jimmy Francis. We'll let you give you a break. Yeah, I was I was just there last night at their city council meeting presenting for a taco feed we do for fill the backpacks for education over there. Um, >> but I help out a lot with parks and wreck in South St. Paul. Um, and we had come up with an idea when one of my friends was running parks and wreck over there a few years ago to get people back out into uh the parks because we were doing a lot of remodeling of the parks in South St. Paul. Um, and we figured like what better way than to do mini medallion hunts. It gets people out. It's fun for all ages. Um and and it's a family event as well. And um we started it in the fall that year um because you know it's not super hot out and it's nice and and gets kids out doing something right before school. But my idea was to also bring that here to North St. Paul. Um I think it's uh a good thing for the community and it and it gets uh more than just the people out. It gets uh businesses involved and stuff like that and it just kind of brings everybody together. Um, so with the slideshow here, um, I made this, this would be the poster. Um, my idea would be to run six hunts. Um, each hunt consists of four clues. So they're little, they're not meant to be super hard or anything like that. Um, and the clues come out once a day, usually Wednesday through Saturday. So it ends on the weekend because then people can get out too on the weekend. Um, because not everybody can just get out during the day. People have jobs and stuff like that. um the way that the businesses would work and how I do it in South St. Paul is I I'm a huge supporter of small businesses and we have a lot of small businesses here in North St. Paul. Um and we want people to go to those small businesses, right? We want to keep them in business. So you ask the small businesses to be sponsors for the hunts. So for instance, for an example, we could go to Max Diner and say, "Hey, would you guys want to be a sponsor of the first Medallion Mania hunt in North St. all. We're just looking for anything that you guys would like to donate. It could be like a $25 gift card, whatever they want. If they want to make a basket, it doesn't it doesn't really matter, right? Um that gets them out there, shows they support the community, shows that they're supporting parks and wreck, which I love. I'm a huge park and rec supporter. Um and and we all work together uh for a common goal of uh inclusiveness also. I believe it. Um examples of clues up here. Um, I know they might be a little hard to read, but those are usually how we send them out online. Um, the clues usually come out at the same time each day. Um, and then at the end of it, we would post something bigger like this where it shows what the explanations for all the clues were as well. Uh, these are pictures of Medallion Finders. So, again, fun for all ages. You can get the family out there. Doesn't matter if you're young, old, um, middleage, however you want to look at it. Um, everybody has fun and enjoys it. It's a good time. Um, these would be examples for you guys of kind of like how we've done the medallions over there. Uh, my buddy, uh, owns Tatono Woodworks. It's, small little woodworking company. And he laser engraves and CNC engraves a lot of my medallions that I use. Um, so the ones in the top leftand corner are the ones that we use for parks and wreck, um, wood medallions. Um, below that, the little pieces of paper, those are what we put in with the medallion so that when the uh, person finds it, they know who to call and how to claim their prize. Um, other things over here would be more of like concealing, so you can kind of get a little idea of how I might conceal something. um with that bigger one that was for Caposia Days which me and my buddies run through the Caposia Days uh board committee. Um we had uh a really interesting story with that one. We found a family in the community and we kind of wanted to base it around some historical stuff with theirs. They had a really old farm in South St. Paul and uh his grandfather was like the only milkman in the city so he would deliver it. So, I wanted to kind of pay homage and tribute to someone in the city, bring some history into the hunt, which is what I intend to do with these little hunts as well, because we don't only have just people from North St. Paul looking for it. We want to bring other people in from other cities to be able to look for these as well. And there is a very big medallion hunt community out there. I'm a part of that. So, um, that's also another thing that is good for getting people into the businesses as well here is getting other people to see what North St. Paul has to offer. Um, and then these would be the parks and spaces that I found online that you guys have provided on the website. Those would be the only places we would hide the medallions at. So, I would choose six places um out of those if that's how many the board decides that we can do, right? Um I think six is a good number for hunts. That's what we usually do in South St. Paul. Um and I will say that I have gone out and I've seen all of the parks in North St. Paul. It was awesome. And I've picked spots. I've picked six parks. So, I am ready to go. Um I've actually wrote clues for all of them as well. Um, other than that, the one thing I would like to do is change how the medallions are done here so that they're not exactly the same as the ones there. So, I do have an example of one that I can show you guys, but I don't want everyone to see because then everybody would know what they look like. So, if you don't mind if I just walk across the front to show you. Um, Okay. >> Um, you could, but in the rules we asked not to use a metal detector. Um, so I guess that's kind of at someone's own discretion. Um, or I could still do wooden ones. That's it's it's up to you guys, however you want to do it. That's a good point that you brought up. But in the rules, it does it should say that, you know, no metal detectors should be uh used. But yeah, so that would be the idea and uh I hope it's something that you guys would like to do. >> Ask you a question. Uh, six is a lot. How how many how long did these take and um how long of a time period are you talking about? >> Uh four clues per hunt. Um so it should only take four days with the last clue. It usually it walks you right to it, right? So you shouldn't not find it on the fourth clue. So it' run Wednesday through Saturday would be my idea to do it and then so a month and a half. >> And you said in South St. Paul you're doing six right now. >> Yeah, we do we do six. It's not happening right this second in South St. But every year we've we've ran six six hunts. >> Yep. In a row. >> And you So there is a big community of medallion hunters, medallion finders, I guess. >> Yep. >> In uh in Minnesota. So um I guess how I guess I have concerns with six in North St. Paul just because we have we are a smaller community. Um, so I think, you know, pairing that number down to two or three might be better just to start and see how it takes off. Um, make sure that it does, you know, because I guess some of our concerns as we've talked about it are, um, we know that generally, um, some North St. Paul residents, especially around the parks area, park areas can get a little squirly about, you know, people, you know, potentially intruding in their, you know, on border property lines and things like that if it's too close to their property or things like that or just even, you know, seeing a lot of people in the more people in the park than normal, things like that. You know, people tend to be a little more uh aware of things like that. >> Oh, definitely. you know, starting off easy, starting off slowly might be a better option. >> Yeah. No, I that's that is totally fine. Um and I'm really glad you brought that up actually because as I did go out and I talked to Sarah about it um when I was out at a few of the places like especially we'll use Silver Lake for example on um the more uh like northeast part of it. There's somebody's house right there by the lake. And I did actually knock on a few doors for some of those residents and ask them to be like out of respect like >> if I ran something like this and it was approved by the city, what is too close for you? Right? Because we always want to be respectful to the people in the community and stuff like that. So I did do due diligence for some of those areas to ask residents and talk to people and even just people that were in the parks. I just kind of like just pick their brain a little bit and ask them like would this be something you'd be interested in? Something like that. Um a lot of good feedback. >> Okay. Um, so I I would be uh could we meet in the middle at 4? >> Part of this my thing is too is um we do have the the parks commission and we haven't even talked to them. I mean they volunteer. They're you know part of the parks to me I would think this would be something that would be going through the parks to start with. When did when did you have the conversation with Sarah? Because >> I'm glad you brought that up also because um we did talk to uh Sarah did talk to the parks commission people about it and emailed me their emails and I sent them everything so that they could see the idea and the outline of everything as well. Um feedback >> one of them emailed me today and said she couldn't make it unfortunately. Um, and they they I just want to make sure we're we're mindful because we ask people to volunteer for things and then all of a sudden, you know, things happen and we don't even talk to them. So, that was my big concern is they work really hard with our parks that we're just not all of a sudden they come to us and we're, you know, I'd like to have their input. >> Yeah. No, definitely. Yeah. There's there's two names add some things or do something too. >> Yeah. And I'm not sure how many people are on the parks commission. Yeah. So, there was two that she had given me like I said. Um, so >> we Yeah, >> you go through all of that. I have no problem with any of that. >> I was just curious because I just want because I was on the planning commission before I was mayor. You know, it's nice to be respected as far as all of a sudden this is, you know, parks thing. It's like, you know, this is this is where we meet, you know. >> Definitely a sudden it's, you know, goes up and nobody even has any input. So, I just want to make sure that we we touch the appropriate to get our input. >> Yeah. Did did I understand right that the around the fall festival you is it a bigger hunt? So is it >> so that yeah that would be the idea I guess is what I had. Um so my thought on that was is if if this did work right and it was something that people really liked and really enjoyed then we would do one big hunt during fall roundup. So that would be like the one I do in South St. Paul for Caposia Days. That's our festival weekend there. Um it would be a bigger hunt. it would be more clues. Um, everything would go through me and the city because the city would have to approve of it. Um, and every like the city shouldn't have to pay for anything in in either of these situations, right? Everything is on my dollar. It's my idea. It's my project. It's something I want to do. Um, I love giving back to the community. Um, and I get pretty good deals um at my buddy shop, Carolina Creations on White Bear Avenue. Give a little shout out. um he makes everything merchandise-wise, anything you could ever think of and he's a great guy and he does a lot for me. So, um I try to go through him for most of my stuff that I do. Um but yeah, so the idea with that one would be it'd be bigger. It would be worth more money. Um >> more clues. >> Yep. More clues. So, usually how we do the one in South St. Paul is we run two clues a day. Um and so you can get it out a little faster. And then uh one of the nice things that we incorporated two years ago uh over there that I thought was awesome is um the finder got to ride in a vehicle in the parade. And that's I mean if you're a medallion hunter like yes it's great to find the medallion and get that little bit of recognition but there's nothing like being kind of the center of attention being like yes I'm the one that found it and you get just that cool little ride in the parade or walk the parade however the city would like to see it done. Um, but I think that would be a pretty cool idea to do there. And then usually we give uh a finders t-shirt as well for that one. So you you get something out of it for sure. >> So is it you work with the city of South St. Paul? Are you >> I don't work for them personally, but >> are you associated? I mean >> I do a lot uh so I belong to the Masonic Lodge in South St. Paul as well. So I do a lot of fundraising stuff. Um like I'd mentioned uh the big taco feed that we do for fill the backpacks for education. And so that's why I was at their city council meeting last night. Um, and then like I said, my friend, uh, Mercedes was running parks and wreck for a while. Um, and so that's how I kind of got connected more with parks and wreck and just kind of fell in love with doing a lot of things with them. And she had moved on and and moved with her husband to a different state. And, uh, Heather and Shannon that are over there uh, in parks and wreck, um, I've I've just been doing stuff with them over the years. And then they also run uh another city event called Flannel Fest. It's like our winter festival that over there. Um we do a medallion hunt for that one too. So we do a lot of the medallion hunts. Everything goes through parks and wreck over there. And then we try to incorporate things and I try to help out with other little projects that they might have whenever I can just in my free time. >> It was going to go through parks and wreck with ours then too. >> Yes, it would be parks and wreck. Not the not the big hunt. That would not be through parks and wreck. That would be through if there's a fall roundup board, it would go through them and through the city, not parks and wreck for that one because the Caposia Days one in South St. Paul doesn't go through parks and wreck. That one goes through the Caposia Days committee in the city. >> And you go around do all the collecting for the for the gifts and and you know. >> Yep. I do. I take care of everything. The only thing that anybody would have to do here at the city is Ava would just have to get the stuff online and I can work with her with that. Um, I'm pretty good at making posters and little things like that. So, I could literally have all the clues, all the pictures, and then just email them to her and then she would just have to put them online and have them set up on the timer for when they come out each day. And then Sarah also would be the one that they would contact um the finders would contact and then they'd be able to come to city hall and collect their prize. We get a list of I mean how does it what's the checks and balances for you collecting as far as you know from different businesses and things like that just to make sure that you know you know the businesses are represented and you know as far as the prizes and things like that. I don't know how that would work. Um, I essentially how I do it over there and I've lived there my whole life so it's probably a little easier over there for me to do it. I know all the business owners over there on a personal level and they're all um community event sponsors for the Masonic Lodge for all the things that we do over there. So, I've just known those guys for over a decade, more than a decade. And um I guess like how I would do it is maybe meet up with Ava or Sarah one day and we could go together so that there's some you know they see that there's some legitimacy that it's someone from parks and wreck or someone from the city and we just ask hey you know would you guys like to be a sponsor for these little medallion hunts that we're doing here in the city. We're trying something new. Um and we'd just like to recognize the the smaller businesses here and and get you guys some business. And um we're just looking for a donation. Whatever you'd like to do. It could be a gift card. It could be a basket, you know, shirt, mug, whatever it is that they have there. You know, for instance, village pizza, right? Um here, here's a free pizza for the family, right? A large pizza. That that's the prize. Um and then we collect all those things, bring them back, and then on the clues, um if you can go I don't know if you can go back to the one. Uh yeah, that one right there. Uh, so the little circular symbol with the bull on it down there, that's the Masonic Lodge symbol we used um for the hunts. So that's what got our name out there. And then usually in the first clue, I give recognition to that business as well. So it would have this the business's logo on all of the clues and I give them recognition on that. And then usually when um they post at the end of the hunt with the finders or whatever they they put in there on like the picture on Facebook like once again sponsored by this business. So essentially they're getting advertisement for whatever they are donating. So >> looking more towards you Jason you're you're much more familiar with things like this than I have no clue. >> So I guess I have several questions. A I'm in favor of this. I think it's going to be wonderful. But be like the mayor said to me it would have to go through parks and wreck. >> Yep. >> And then do you have a 501c? Are you a 501c? >> I am not. I do not. >> So So then my my next question would probably be for the the city lawyer. Are there insurance in insurance implications? Um what what does the um the other medallion hunts do? Um is there any liability the city's incurring? >> So we have like I know um not to cut you off. Sorry. Apologize. Uh we have like a big disclaimer that we use for those um and and they put that out. So it's on the website and it it goes through everything from you shouldn't be in the park after park close. You shouldn't it'll never be on a construction site. It'll never be at a swimming pool. It can't and here in North St. Obviously, we have lakes and stuff like that, like at Casey Lake, Silver Lake, um even the pond down at uh South. Um nothing will ever be hidden next to the shoreline because obviously we have to have stuff for safety. >> All of that is laid out in the disclaimer and stuff like that. And in South Stamp, I mean, we have the river, right? I mean, that's even worse. People drown in the river all the time and that's terrible. We don't want anything close or near that. Um, we do have a a pond there, too, and a couple streams, but that again would have to go through the city. I did send that over. I can email that to anybody else, whoever needs that so that you guys could go through it and fine comb what I already have kind of like drawn out. I essentially just took the one that we have over there and instead of it saying South St. Paul, it says North St. Paul >> and that should be fine. we have pretty broad immunity for um people using the parks for recreational purposes. Um you know, as long as we're not sort of creating new and hidden hazards, uh which as long as we're hiding them in responsible places, we wouldn't be. Um, so you know, I guess maybe we'd ask for something like um, you know, have we don't want it to be in public, so it can't be the whole parks and rec commission or the whole city council, but we we'll probably want, you know, the chair of the parks and wreck board to approve of each hiding place just so that we know we're >> Nope. Definitely. >> You know, we're not um putting it somewhere that that we think might be a risk. >> But other than that, we should be fine. Right. >> And and with that too, um like when I went around and looked at all the parks and chose like hiding spots and stuff like that, like I take pictures of everything, right? Because I have to know what's around me to be able to use for clues. So I can always send all of that stuff over to in picture form as well. Or I mean I have no problem meeting anybody at any park. No park is very far away. Our city's pretty little. >> Yeah. So for me, I think this is a wonderful event, you know, running it through the parks and wreck and the the city attorney as well as those two sign off on it. I don't see any issue. Um but maybe also include um what he was saying earlier in the official rules that whatever distance away from the border, nothing would be hidden within like 4t of the border just to be mindful of the residence or whatever number that is >> right >> chosen. So as long as you're reading the rules, you know, you never need to be within 10 feet, 4 feet, whatever is chosen of the border to alleviate any of the residents concern. >> Yep. And I would have no problem like coming down and meeting somebody down here any time to go over all that stuff too. I'm I'm pretty open. Um I'm very flexible. >> Yep. >> Would this have to do anything with uh special event permits or anything like that? >> No. >> I don't think so. Ken, >> I would Mr. Mayor, members of council, I I just want to make sure I get this out so I don't forget about it. Um you mentioned maybe bringing a city staff person along with for the donations. >> Um and that we are not able to do. We just we don't have um the state auditor has taken the position that cities do not have fundraising authority except for certain very specific purposes. Uh and this wouldn't be one of those purposes. Um there's there's concerns that it's seen as sort of coercive to have the city show up and ask for donations. Um so it would have to just be you on your own. >> Okay. Would there be something that the city could like give to me to show like that it was like approved and it is I am like working with the city just so someone's not like oh this guy's coming in for you know $25 gift cards at max every week. >> Yes, absolutely. So we could give um could be either a city council or parks and recck >> they know me over there. Trust me, they know I eat more than most people. >> There you go. Yeah, we could give a resolution from the parks and rec commission or something like that. It would be pretty easy to get. >> Be awesome, >> Mr. Mayor. Yes. Is this Do you have enough information to keep this moving or do you want to refer back to the parks commission for their next meeting for more formal blessing or review by those? >> Myself, I would like that. Yeah, because I want them to be then we can figure out the Yes. Have them move. Is that something I would be able to come to? >> Absolutely 100%. We encourage you to. >> We expect you. >> I would love to. >> I mean, it's just one of those things where that way, you know, they get excited about it because they're they're out there in the trenches, you know, with the parks doing a bunch of events. So, we want to make sure that we include them and see what their thoughts are. >> Definitely. >> Yep. >> All right. >> And the the next parks meeting is April 22nd here in council chief. >> Okay. Sweet. >> Um at 6:30. >> Sarah. >> Yeah. Just coordinate with >> All right. Wonderful. Yeah. and >> she's the leazison. >> But yeah, I agree with Jason. I think this is a great idea. I think starting off a little bit smaller than the six I think is probably a good option and then doing something bigger around either uh fall festival or the uh >> the >> well fire and ice might be too late in the >> fall. >> Um autumn March festival or the uh fall roundup would >> Yeah, I would I would say fall roundup would be the one to do. Um, and then, um, in the future, hypothetically speaking, if all of this goes well, then I think the fire and ice one would be a fun one to do. Okay. Just because I mean it is snow, then you get to hide it in snow, and then people are actually digging. Um, what month is that in again? I can't remember. >> December. Yeah. >> That and then that would probably get a lot of people ramped up and ready to go for the uh, winter carnival medallion hunt. He'll get them get them itching to get out there and find something. That's our biggest park, Casey, too. >> Yep. That's where we do the fire and everything else, too. >> I mean, I don't know if I would specifically hide it there because of that but >> they're all there. >> They are, but that's the best part. If you're not there, you might be in the right spot. >> I don't have enough patience for that. >> I did one one year I did it for Winter Carnival was Pierce Butler. I figured that out. It was New Park in St. Paul and I thought I was so smart. I went down there. It was wall to-wall people. >> Oh, jeez. I not as smart as I thought I was. >> I I am an I am a dieh hard. I am out there all potential 12 days. >> Great. Okay. >> But yeah, thank you guys so much for letting me come and present. This is awesome >> for doing this. >> Yeah, definitely. >> Have a great night. >> Appreciate it. >> All right. Next up for the presentation is uh for our invisible wounds project. We have Russ Hayes here to discuss and talk about the car show. Welcome. Good evening. Thank you for having me. I'm Russ. I'm the executive director and the founder of Invisible Wounds Project. Uh we are a nonprofit based out of Forest Lake. We serve throughout the state of Minnesota and western Wisconsin. I don't have a lot to uh let's say present on screen, so you're going to listen to me talk. Um I'm very familiar with uh automotive events. In fact, our uh our charity, which was founded in 2018, started as a car, truck, and motorcycle cruise uh in 2009. So, uh we run multiple different car events every year. Our biggest one uh is at running aces and um we have done just tons of them. So, our our biggest car show had about a thousand vehicles in it. Um, and that was in 2019 pre-COVID. And since COVID happened, it's like just events and stuff have just not been the same. Um, so we have uh a space up in Forest Lake where we do have five full-time staff, myself included, and we have hundreds of volunteers who help make our organization run. Um, very familiar with North St. Paul and and the uh Friday night car show. Um, again, I'm a car guy. My my brother's a car guy. My dad was a car guy. Uh lots and lots of friends, lots of club presidents, lots of people involved deeply in the car community within this area. Um so I was I I saw the uh post that um was put out on Facebook and kind of took everybody in the car community a little bit by surprise of half the shows uh for Friday nights in uh North St. Paul. Um I was made aware that there's an opportunity to uh potentially run the other Friday nights and we would like to do that. Um the invisible wounds project has a group of car truck and motorcycle enthusiasts mostly car and truck um but uh called the Motorhead Club and they are tasked with running our car events um and and managing that. Um, as we've grown, I used to do all that stuff. As we've grown, I've learned how to delegate and give other people responsibilities and and expectations. Um, I had a meeting this past weekend uh with the leadership of that group and um what I'd like to propose is that we would have uh the traditional car show season for North St. Paul. We would have we would start on on Friday, June 5th. um Friday, June 19th, which is normally shut down because of Back to the 50s. What we would like to propose is that it would be open. Um as I've seen over the years, Back to the 50s is starting to dwindle more and more, especially in the evening. Part of that is just the age of of the crowd. Um what I would propose on that uh Friday the 19th would it it would be an open show. So, um, show cars of all years, makes, models welcomed in. Anytime we have a car show, whether it's I don't care if it's restricted to 1975 or it's open, they still have to abide by their regular laws and and rules that would be required of any anyone on city streets and and and doing what they need to do. Um, we would have uh two in July, the 17th and 31st. The 17th is the Street Machine Nationals show. Um, so we would also propose that that be an open night. Um, because there's a lot of people coming from out of state and this might draw additional people in. They close down. I mean, they kick you out of the state fairgrounds at 6:00 and if not earlier. So, um, it would be potentially a way to bring more people in. um the 31st of July, uh 14th and 28th of August, and then our last show would be Friday, September 11th. Um what we would propose is that we would have one dedicated staff who would officially be in command of the show from the Invisible Wounds Project side. Um more than likely that is going to every week be our president of our Motorhead Club. He's very familiar with uh North St. Paul and with business owners down here um as well as with other you know clubs and stuff as well. Uh we would assign one staff member to be our official vendor uh coordinator for this event. Um assuring that there's continuity of rules, locations, etc. Um we would have of course a lot of volunteers that are involved with this. We've already had other car club leadership and and people involved who I've talked to um who are interested in volunteering. Volunteers are not going to be an issue whatsoever. Um we are not going to do a yellow shirt. We have vests um because not everybody's going to be able to volunteer every single Friday night that we're there. So we have a vest. Um we have all of the equipment that would be needed ever to host a car show. Um, so they would have a vest, uh, rules, restriction signs on every intersection that cars can come in and out of. Um, I think that's an important part. They don't just come from one direction and and cruise the whole thing. They approach in multiple ways. So, every intersection where a car would come through, I would propose that we would have an A-frame. And not only that, for also not only for the cars, but also spectators of certain rules that we would have to have in place. Um, based on just you can't have open containers just rolling around the street. Um, we would request that the intersection, the southwest corner lot at 7th and Helen, we would like to operate a farmers market there. Uh, farmers market/makers market during that time. Uh it's about 6,100 square f feet according to Google Maps. Um I'm looking at 20 to 25 uh spaces in there. Um and obviously we're running the seven nights or seven nights during summer. There's another group running the other seven nights. Um for ease of purposes, we would only do it on our seven nights. Um, and then we would not require North St. Paul PD to have a offduty present. Um, unless that is something that the city council says yes, you need to have them. I'm open to either. Um, I would request extra patrol anyway. I mean, it's the biggest event in the city that night, so they're probably going to be somewhere near and present. Um, most of our volunteers, a lot of the people involved in our organization are either current law enforcement, former law enforcement, former military, their first responders, or or involved in some way in that in that capacity. Um, many of them have a lot of deescalation training and experience. Uh, one thing that we're going to do differently, uh, is we are going to have a suggested donation of $5 at at each intersection. Same with those signs. It's a suggested donation. People do not have to donate. People might donate more. It's just it's a way for us to tie into the event. Uh we plan to work with other nonprofits both local and within our mission of serving vets, first responders, and their families uh to provide opportunities for food uh food and supply drives. Um just giving people the opportunity to get their word out and their mission out. Um we will be obtaining a permit from the state of Minnesota. um it's already in the works for a raffle that we do just we always do a fall raffle um and then we have it at our car show and concert for a cause. So if there's no objection, we would have that at our info booth um where people could buy those tickets. Um it wouldn't necessarily require a special permit anywhere else other than the the state of Minnesota because that's where we have to go through the gambling control board. Um, we may also uh request to do a like a bucket raffles or like a 5050 raffle potentially during our show. I don't know if I truly want to do that, but I'm I'm wanted to gauge if that if we wanted to do that, if that would be an option. Um, obviously within gambling control board rules and all that stuff, we're not trying to we're not trying to jam ourselves up over a $500 uh bucket raffle. Um, all current vendors uh have been contacted and the majority have returned our calls and are um excited about the opportunity to participate with us. Um, one thing that one thing that I think used to make North St. Paul and the show really vibrant was having a a central location off of 7th um near Rody's near Newman's near Max Diner and having a band and a a central location there. It's it's right in the middle of the strip of the show. Um that kind of went away. Um I would like to propose that we have a spot where there's room for us to set up room for our bands that we're looking at hiring. Um, I've already got five out of the seven nights committed to bands um with pay. And then also I'm looking at having a sponsor of the night that would have a booth tied into that same space. So it's all in the central spot. >> People are going to go by that area. It's naturally a larger presence of people because it's right dead center. Um, my question with that is with the command post and and all that stuff there. We would I don't know if there's power there. We have our own power that we can bring and and do generator just different stuff like that for the band. We're not talking about hairball. We're talking about a three four piece band that's you know going to be reasonably projected and you know I know there's music at you know other places as well. So, we're not looking to like call everybody in from the cities around. Um, but to be able to make announcements and and be able to do that piece of it. My question is if we have a sponsor of the night, if they're not selling anything, do they have to get a special permit? >> I don't think so. They would be rolled into your master permit for >> Okay. All right. Um, so I have that. Uh, the only thing I have, so one of the other things, so we're not going to deal with dash plaques. We're not going to deal with trophies. Um, what I would be looking at is we would be doing the sponsor of the night would have the opportunity to give away a promo item at the gate or at the gates, if you will, or at the info booth. Um, and if they didn't, we would do something. So, we also do a lot of woodworking. Uh, so there might be some just drawings um at our info booth for people to uh come up and win an item or see some of the stuff that we have and and register to win uh via that. Um, my only other side of it, I've provided a proof of insurance uh with the million-doll coverage that was requested. Um, Brian and I spoke. My my question and my question for my insurance guy was, okay, the liability side of this, and this is probably where the attorney comes in. Um, you know, we're on city streets. It's a public event. Um, we're hosting it, but, you know, people are coming from all over the place. How does that play out? Is there a, you know, a way that we're also indemnified in some way by the city? Um, or is there a declaration that is made or h how does that work? Obviously, there's disclaimers of, you know, if you get drunk and fall on the sidewalk, you know, something totally different, but just pulling up the code here so I can actually uh quote the specifics at you. Russ, while he's looking, do you have a maximum number of vehicles that you're envisioning? >> Well, I mean, I don't know if there's a way to even count the vehicles that, you know, come in really because they they park on the street and then once they're off the street, then they go elsewhere and there's almost no real way to control that. um you know I think we would just be reasonable and you know if it's if we had to start somehow restricting you know what's happening then we would um we're not looking to make major changes at all. Um we have a I mean ultimately this is a we have seven individual events that this is but it's it's one event. Our organization you know is is year round 365day operation. I don't want to do anything that's going to jeopardize our our true mission and why we exist. So we're we're not looking to you know have drag racing up and down the street. We're not we're, you know, we're looking to have this be a win-win. Um I think for us, this is a good opportunity for us to connect with a lot of people in one space. Um that will align with our mission of of serving vets and first responders and and their families and um doing it in a way that um also is something that's kind of how we started and is a passion of ours. Uh so as far as the liability uh items, so the city does require um public liability and property damage insurance as part of obtaining that um special event permit. Uh I forget what our exact limits are. I think it's a million and a half. Uh something like that. Um but it's we've worked with other people before on this one. It's it tends not to be that expensive um to just get that insurance. Uh and so that would cover your organization for anything sort of event specific. So that's things like sort of you know crowd movement or those sorts of claims. And then there wouldn't you wouldn't necessarily be indemnifying the city for anything for the sort of pre-existing conditions. So things like you know uneven sidewalks or um you know general traffic conditions. Um that's not something that changes and so that doesn't fall on you that way. That's kind of how how everything shakes out. >> Got it. >> Yeah. And I mean, we we have insurance. My wood shop is far more probably expensive than >> So, Russ, uh, thank you for coming, giving this presentation. Um, I I truly hope you are incredibly proud of what you built. If if you're not, you should be. Um, for those of you that aren't familiar with his your organization, could you just give a little background of of >> Yeah. who what Invisible Wounds is. >> Yep. Absolutely. And I'm going to hand these out to um >> Thank you. >> Thank you. So, the Invisible Wounds Project is a we're a nonprofit out of Forest Lake. We run uh a support center, but we serve throughout Minnesota, Western Wisconsin. Our focus is on uh current former military police fire EMS frontline medical staff, corrections, 911 dispatch, and then their families related to wellness, mental health, PTSD, suicide issues. Um, I was a police officer, corrections officer, 911 dispatcher for 17 years. I left with PTSD in 2016 uh from public safety. at that time. Um, it didn't exist as far as first responders with PTSD or or mental health and wellness stuff the way it does now. Um, when I looked around for help, I was I was suicidal. I was looking for help. I couldn't find any organizations that served uh first responders. It was all veteran related. Um and so eventually obviously I you know survived through that but uh the invisible wounds project was born from that car truck and motorcycle cruise that we started in 2009 with you know 12 cars and 25 people. It had grown over time into what is now the invisible wounds project. Um our organization last year to give you an idea we served over 2,000 individuals. Uh 70% of those individuals came from within a 40 mile radius of Forest Lake. Uh we did over 125 suicide and crisis interventions. Uh which averages I think 3.5 a week or something like that. Um I'm not I'm not the math wiz here. And um we uh provided over 8,000 hours of wood shop and uh creative arts uh instruction. Um and then we had over 1,500 hours of mental health uh therapy uh services provided. Um, we are run 90% of what we do is from fundraising and donations and sponsorship. Uh, I have $130,000 in grants from I have 100,000 from Washington County and 30,000 from Chicago County. Outside of that, it's all fundraising. It's all boots on the ground. Heavily involved with volunteers. Um, that's how we make it work. and um we do a lot of events. We're good at events. My uh second in command uh who's the support center director comes from an event background as well. Um so we do I mean if you look at the back of our at the back of that flyer, you'll see weekly activities. We do more in a week than a lot of organizations probably do in a month or in in a year. Um, we've constantly got uh fundraisers. Our support center is built in a way to uh we have an event center in there with almost 6,000 square feet that is rentable. So, we do weddings in there. We do other uh nonprofits, gallas, including our own. Um, we do retirement parties. We've done uh celebrations of life. So we understand scale of events and that you know how it works but um those that we serve um also get a lot out of being a part of something bigger. uh when you are a whether you're military, you're a first responder, um you know, you lead a life of service. And um whether you are still serving or whether you leave, um a lot of times when when you're not in that service role, things start to go a little bit sideways. And what we do by providing people a lot of different outlets in a lot of different ways related to their hobbies and their interests, it gives people a renewed mission and a renewed purpose. And this is just, you know, I look at this car show as another event that will get people out and help spread spread the word and the mission and bring, you know, some eyes to it. Um, I don't know how long you all have been involved here. Um, I can tell you, uh, the day that Richard Kitten was killed, I was working. Um, I heard that call, um, on the radio. Um, I listened to it. I had friends that that are people that were at that call. Um, we have an IWP member who was one of the medics at that call. um he took his life uh in the last year and a half. Prior to that, his partner who was a part of that call also took his life. And so this isn't just a you know, to me this is is something more. There's there's a tiein for it for that in this community for me um and for our organization as well. Thank you so much for what you do by the way. Uh but thank you for you've given a very short period of time to kind of pull all this together and um it's very important event to the city and just really appreciate how you pulled together so fast and um we're here to work with you anyway we can. Okay. Any anyone have any questions? Thank you for everything you do. >> Thank you. >> That was impressive. >> Thank you. >> Appreciate it. >> That was my birthday. Rick was killed. And the mayor next door to me calls over. He says, "You know what happened?" I said, "No." He said, "Rick was killed." Okay. That's about blew my day that day. >> Yeah. I remember that day. Well, great. I'll be in touch. >> Okay. >> And uh work our way through it. >> All right. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Forward to it. >> Thank you. >> All right. Move on to the consent agenda. Um item A, March 17th, 2026, city council workshop and regular meeting minutes. Item B, general claims of $747,99657. Item C, H claims of $14,112. Item D, special event permit, wilderness inquiry canoe mobile event. Item E, fee schedule updates. Item F, electric department land and gear purchase request. Item G, approve fiber use agreement. And item H, approve the 2026 invisible wounds project agreement. >> Thank you very much. Anybody like to pull anything at this time? If not, can I get a motion, please? >> So moved. >> So move. Council member Norby. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Woods. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Thank you very much. >> All right. Moving on to open to the public. John Schmall. John Schmall, 2750 Chisum Avenue. Um, a few items. Number one is is that the uh uh watershed district had a meeting. They didn't invite anybody from the uh uh north side of the lake. I don't know. It was put on by somebody uh Jim Mycow who was uh who lives in the area of Diane Street. They're complaining about the way um Casey looks during the summertime. They wanted to do something. Uh and basically they said we can't do anything about it. And the negative thing about the meeting was that they came up and said Casey is not a lake. Now there is a resident of North St. Paul who is a retired DNR uh employee and uh gave me the uh DNR site that specifically says that Casey is a lake. Is this important? I think it is. Uh but uh I he's given me ideas on where where to go to get this straightened out, but I'd certainly not like to have Casey not listed as a lake. Uh second item uh is the uh uh aftermath of snow plowing on Chisum Avenue. Been there 40 years. There's never been anything that uh occurred that would c catch your attention as something went wrong. But this winter uh started out with a wipe out of a a mailbox and you could see the way the plow was going and went right like he was looking for it. I doubt he was. But then we ended it with the last snowfall and they got the south side of Chisum at the uh lower end of it. And I don't know what the city does when they wipe out the two feet of the boulevard. Whose responsibility is that? I'd like you to look into that because the neighbor to the um east of me ended up with having the plow come in and uh deposit all the sod in his driveway before he had a chance to run the snowb blower. And I noticed him last week. He was he picked up all the stuff in uh or the facade and he was like uh making a jigsaw puzzle putting it back on the uh boulevard. I doubt if that is a good thing to do. I think it should be replanted, but that's up to the city to do. Last item is I'm ended my time. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. City business action items and recommendations. Uh, first up, item A, mobile food vendor ordinance update. I'm going to turn this over to Ken Roberts. >> Thank you, city manager, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. We're proposing and bringing to you tonight some updates to our mobile food vendor ordinance. We uh run through these. So, the council may recall that you just reviewed this back on February 17th and you're thinking, why are we talking about it again? Well, unfortunately or fortunately, we found a couple of things in it that were still not working and that's we're going to touch on those. Uh, first one, item L in the ordinance. Now, the ordinance says that it prohibits food vendors from operating mobile food vending businesses less than 200 feet from any other existing food service premises unless approval of that owner of the food service or retail center is given. That has not been a force for the car show all in all these years. and with the moving of the autumn arts festival, that would be a problem when they set up in that parking lot. So, that's one item that we're proposing to change. Uh we it was originally, as we understand it, and the current staff, my department wasn't here, was put in place, was to protect existing businesses. So, we didn't have three trucks set up outside of an existing business or a trailer. Apparently, that hasn't been a problem because we've never had a complaint as far as anyone knows. So, we're proposing to drop that 200 foot rule and so we're more accommodating uh for the events. Uh we we're clarifying that they c they uh mobile food vendors cannot be in the city right away unless they are part of a permitted event again like the car show automars festival that kind of thing. Uh, one thing we're also adding or proposing to add is some language that a mobile food vendor is a a food vendor that's in one location for fewer than seven consecutive days. If a vendor is parked longer than that, then they don't qualify as mobile food because now they're set up shop for however long more than seven days and that's not the intent. Lastly, we're proposing to change the hours to 8:00 a.m. to 900 pm instead of 8 to 8, and that's more consistent with our city park hours that we just uh we'll be talking about those in a minute. So, there's some ordinance words that we're changing or phrases. Again, these are just on the screen to show you strike out and strike through. Whoops. We're changing proposing and change those and item L at the bottom there that we're proposing the strength the 200 foot rule. That's a quick overview of these changes. I'll take questions. Otherwise, we're recommending you adopt the ordinance that's included in the packet that approves the proposed amendments to the mobile food vendor ordinance. >> So, is this kind of covering for the lions? They leave their trailer there all summer. Is that kind of what that helps them so they don't so they fall within what we have? >> No. >> Okay. >> So they would not be considered a Google food vendor then. >> Okay. >> So the and I guess that kind of answers my question but the mobile food vendor would it be with the intent to distribute or sell food or to sell or distribute food or beverages? Um so If they do it once in that period, is that kind of It doesn't have to be every seven, you know, every day necessarily. >> Correct. >> I noticed outside of Loves there's a truck there every day. Now >> there's a food vendor. >> Is that what that is that? >> Yes. >> He's he's got license to be there. >> Yes. >> That's I notic that's more of a permanent thought and and I don't know why uh does what they do outside the city have any effect on these ordinances >> for clarification beyond the borders. So, so if I have a mobile mobile if I have a truck and I park it at the state fair for the entirety of the 14 days, does that disclude me from being a mobile food vendor? No, >> it only means what happens in city property, right? Correct. >> Perfect. Then I have no question. >> Anybody else have anything? >> Bless you. >> No. >> So, go up for the vote now, right? >> Yes. >> Ready? We're >> all right. recommending approval of the ordinance and >> motion, please. >> All right, I got a motion on this, please. >> So moved. >> So moved. Council member Norby. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Woods. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> All right. Thank you. >> Next item up, item B, ordinance update to chapter 92 for parks and lakes. Back to you, Ken. >> I'll take this one also. Mayor, >> you're on a roll. Might as well continue. >> Get your money's worth. get their worth out of that new haircut. >> That's right. Uh we are we as a staff are proposing some updates and changes to the parks and lake ordinance which is chapter 92 of the city code. Uh this was initiated by Sarah on my team after reviewing the ordinance and realizing that most of it had not been updated since 1989. And u there were some things that were we felt were missing or incomplete or just times have changed. So, we're proposing a series of things. This draft ordinance was reviewed by the parks and rec commission back on March 25th and they recommended approval of what you'll see this evening. So, some highle highlights. We are proposing to add several provisions to the ordinance about the preservation of vegetation. So, that's very clear that we want people to protect the trees and not chop them down and do damage to vegetation. And there's many words in the ordinance that outline that. I'm not going to go through those, but it strengthens and clarifies those provisions. We're proposing additions about uh to the littering section, which is 9202 garbage and recycling. Again, to help clarify our city standards on those, we uh are proposing updates to the prohibited activity section to sure ensure consistently that if there are things some people are proposing that they get city manager written permission to do those things, otherwise they are prohibited. And if need be, I can get you some examples of those. And lastly, we're proposing in in this part to add language about the restrict the various types of vehicles in the parks, ebikes bicycles skateboards motorized foot scooters. Clearly, some of those weren't around in 1989. So, we want to bring it up to date uh or for those type of vehicles that may want to use the park. And essentially, we're saying they can stay on the trails, stay out of the grass, don't tear up the grass, those kind of things. We're also proposing updates to the animals in the park 9206 to restrict feeding of wild animals and birds and it further defines the responsibility of pet owners to clean up after their pets, keep them on a leash, etc. Uh adding a provision that prohibits persons from having glass beverage containers in the parks broken glass anywhere. And we're proposing the remove the aircraft regulations because it doesn't seem to be a need to have regulations about uh the starting or landing of aircraft in a park or potentially on Silver Lake. I guess may have been >> what happened to the pontoon >> planes. I'll cancel the mayor's jet then order anymore. >> Can't land it in the park. Forget it. >> Again, some real high level summary of what we're proposing. Um with that, I'll take questions. Otherwise, our uh recommendation is to have you review the ordinance. If you're proposed or supportive of it, there's a motion there to approve ordinance 2026 XXX amending various sections of chapter 92, parks and lakes or uh regulations. >> One question I do have um kind of back on the animals in the parks. >> Yes. Um, I know at one point for was it for autumn arts festival or something like that we one of the proposals was looking at like a petting zoo. Where would that fall into? Would that be because it's part of an event? Would that be outside of the scope of this? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And I'm sure they would be leashed and caged and >> Yeah. Yes. >> Not running a muck. >> Correct. >> We're also trying to prevent >> Sounds like some good housekeeping taken care of. So we have again full credit to Sarah because she started reading this and said >> this doesn't look so good. >> Here we are. >> Um two questions. First um I'll take item I guess on both questions. Have these rule changes been um reviewed by uh Ry? I mean I'm assuming Ray is going to and his staff is going to be the one that's going to have to enforce these >> police chief. Sorry. But we did not run those by police. But yes, they would be the enforcement agency. >> Um, and then I guess for the city attorney, um, specifically item H, is item H enforceable? And are there first amendment concerns? >> Pulling up the specific language here. He said to use twice today. I think there be some extra charges commercial. >> Yeah. >> Photographs of recording. >> Yeah. The restriction on um sort of photography for commercial purposes. Um I'm not going to say it's entirely clear um one way or the other. I will say it is very common to have this kind of a provision for commercial photography. Um you know that that's usually seen as distinct from um you know something like uh either personal speech or like journalism photography is generally not covered under something like this. >> So So you don't see any issue with the uh the way it's written? >> I don't. No. like a guy who's using the park at his own business. >> Yeah. Uh promo footage for a business or um you know a professional photo shoot down by the lake or something like that. Um >> all right. Can I get a motion, please? >> So moved. >> So moved. Council member Woods. >> Second. Second, council member Norby. All those in favor say I. >> I. Thank you very much. >> All right. Last item is the item C. Ballfield agreement between North St. Paul and Independent School District 622. Ken has a trifecta. >> Darn darn darn. I don't have PowerPoint for this, but that's okay. So the city has had historically had a ballfield agreement with the school district for the use of the Mcnike fields and conungle and again through time and changing uses uh it was determined that the agreement needed to be updated. Uh this was first established in 2011. Uh so the proposed major changes uh which are outlined in the staff report. So, we want to make sure that the school district notify via email the designated city staff person about scheduling fields and rescheduling fields or games or practices uh because of rain notes and just schedule changes. Make that clear that that's their responsibility to send us an email so we have a track record or written track if you will documentation. Second proposal is we are proposing a $300 fee to be charged to the district if city staff must tear down and store any school district temporary fences that are left behind. That has happened on Mcnite Fields. If the crew so if there's games in the evening, we expect the school district staff to take those fences down. So if we want to or we the city staff wants to mow or fertilize or something the next day, they don't have to take the time to take the fences down or work around them. That's on the school district. Uh and thirdly, the other major major thing is we are uh having the agreement that every capital improvement to a city field that they want to propose must go through the donation review process and approval process with the city. We just don't want some random improvement showing up and not know about it. Uh I don't know that that would happen, but it would include submitting plans, financial information, maintenance repair information of whatever it might be and it would come to the city council for approval of a donation. So again, it's documented who's going to do what, how it's getting put in, where it's going in, that kind of thing. The school district has reviewed this and has approved the agreement as written. In fact, your copy in the packet is their signed version of it. So, they uh they have blessed it and appear to be on board. So, it's our recommendation that the uh city council adopt the attached resolution which adopts the updated field use agreement between the city and independent school district 622. >> Perfect. I have a move. Any questions? I should ask that first. If not, can I get I'll make a motion. >> All right. Council member McKenzie. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Woods. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Thank you very much. >> All right. Moving on to reports u from the Andrew and the department. So today we had a staff meeting. Department's working on getting locates called in for their work they're going to be doing near the Northwood Park area for the next couple weeks. Um they're completing communication wiring running between buildings for the new door systems which are getting close. They've only got three doors that they're waiting on material for that's in the fire department. Um so that will be wrapping up here hopefully soon. Then they'll probably be moving on to the public works building after that. Um electric got 33 applicants for the open position that they have for their lineman. So that was nice to see. Um, communications is finalizing the 2026 road construction letter for distribution to let the residents know about the upcoming project. Uh, developing a small business promotional video, which is really going to be nice for the downtown businesses. Uh, and finalizing Autumn Arts Festival bookings, HR. Jenny's been very busy with uh, updating the personnel policy. Uh her and I have been working together on that and Jack's been double checking our work. So that's good. Been a while. Finance has had 40 applicants for their open position. So it's nice to see the numbers come up a little bit for the open positions for a while there. That was pretty small. Um and Dan is excited to move on already to the CIP and budgets session. So, uh, police has got their, um, body camera audit certification complete. So, that was a nice thing to see from them. They did a good job. Um, they had 37 applicants, um, for their open position. Uh, they narrowed it down to eight interviews and that'll be starting uh, next Tuesday. Didn't get any laterals, but uh, they had some people with some experience, so that's good. Uh chief will be attending the uh chief's conference in St. Cloud next week. Um the TZD campaign is underway. They've been working uh joint programs with other cities and we'll be having one come to our city uh in the not too distant future. TZD, by the way, is towards zero deaths for um uh drunk driving. Public works is doing their hydrant flushing. They're in over a week now. They're hoping to have that done in about another two weeks. So, that's when we will go on and try to get off chlorine again and then uh kind of go from there. Um, of course, ongoing pothole patching around the street. Winters are tough on our streets. Um, and they had 20 full-time applicants for their uh position down there for their public works position. Uh, fire has a badge pinning um ceremony next Tuesday at 6 PM. Um, just released that today. So, that's why you haven't heard about it before that, but if you can make it, wonderful. Um, they have the safe haven program ongoing with the CO alarms installs and promotional video posted pretty soon on that as well. Um, access control system roll out is underway. It's getting really close to actually implementation and community development uh amongst all the other things they're working on. Uh the cow elementary edition project pending final agreements is getting close. So that's great. Uh you know putting the finishing touches on all of the uh cleanup day organizing and uh that's about it. >> Thank you. I've got nothing. >> Okay. I'm looking here. I asked uh Sarah, she's so good. I asked her to give me uh this Cassie is not here tonight. So, I asked her for an update after their meeting on the 26th of March. They sent an update. So, what they talked about tonight going for the approval for the updated with the parks going in front of the council tonight, April 7th. They did talk about the medallion hunt. So they so there is they are knowing a little they know a little bit about it. So they said Nick was there and they talked about us him attending the meeting with that after working with and talking with Ava. So it sounds like maybe it wasn't officially but it was discussed at the at the parks. So that's good. I think they'll be able to go back and kind of tweak on some days and things like that. Citywide cleanup May 16th 10 to noon. Um they have uh urban um logical center. Is that right? Parks cleanup. No, I said yeah. >> Did I say parks or did I say cleanup? Oh, I'm sorry. Parks cleanup. My apologies. See this is why the mayor doesn't read. >> April 16th 10 to noon. So they got the urban a ecological is that how you say that? Center. You got the by the post office pond they'll be doing over there. Postal credit union pond which is ideal now. Mcnite Fields. Silver Lake. and they're still working with the Rotary for the Rotary Park and things like that. So, that was an update from the parks and wreck. Anything from Arts and Culture? >> Um, arts and culture met uh on April 1st. Um, but no real updates, nothing major. >> Okay. uh planning commission met a couple of days ago here in chambers and they passed two items that'll be coming before us I believe at the next city council a variance and a um pud or cud cu >> cu >> thank you >> be their first accessory dwelling unit >> okay really awesome all right anything else as far as new business or anything anybody wants to share >> mayor if I just give a shout out if I may. The cleanup day again is for the junk removal is May 9th. There are some changes this year. The council's well aware, but we're trying to make sure people know that you can't bring your box truck. You can't bring your semi. There are load limits, size limits, one single axle trailer. Uh electronics and mattresses are not being accepted this year. There will be charging uh for vehicles coming in. And on the fee schedule tonight, there was updated fees including those vehicle charges and AA will be has been getting the word out and just continue to remind folks it will be different this year. Uh we hope it'll be more manageable and run smoother. >> Okay. >> And uh yes, and we you can volunteer. If you haven't notified Ava, please let her know. >> Okay. >> Great. Just a quick addition to that. the uh we're not taking the mattresses or the electronics, but they are taken for free through Ramsey County um at the recycling center over in Roseville. >> And I will say that I personally took a mattress in Box Springs and some electronics over there and it was super simple, super easy. So >> awesome. >> If you have any, take it. It's easy to do. >> Awesome. >> So, >> and as always, please keep up with the newsletter. Ava does an excellent job. I mean, that's our town paper. So, that's where we have to We can't talk and knock on everybody's door. So, we have it out there. Please take advantage and uh get the I get it text on Wednesday. I always know. Boom. There she is. And I get the I get the newsletter text to me, too. So, please, if you don't have it, sign up for it because that's where we give our information. So, please stay on top of that. If nothing else, I'll ask for a German and we'll see everybody April 21st for our next meeting. >> German. So moved. >> So moved. Council member Woods. Second. Council member McKenzie. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Thank you all. >> Thank you.