This transcript features **Mayor Mary Fasbender** presiding, with presentations from City Administrator **Dan Wietecha** and City Attorney **Matt Zebarth**. It includes a public hearing for a mobile food unit license for **Gregory Brandon**. [0:06] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Okay, all right. Ready, Council? Time being 7 o'clock, I call the Hastings City Council meeting to order. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Welcome, and let the role reflect we do have all members of our Council are present and a quorum has been established. Councilmembers, are there any corrections to the July 15th meeting? [0:52] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Okay. Comments from the audience? At this time, we will take live comments from the audience either through Zoom or anyone wishing to speak to the Council at this time from the audience. If you wish to speak to us, please step to the podium, state your name and address, and we will hear your comments. Any—anyone on Zoom? No one on Zoom. Okay. Uh, Councilmembers, are there any items to be considered? And Council, I would accept a motion for the consent agenda. Councilmember Leifeld? Councilmember Lawrence? Any discussion, Council? [1:39] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** All those in favor of the motion state by saying "Aye." (Group: Aye). Opposed to that motion state by saying "Nay." All right, we will have the awarding of a contract for the Mississippi River Trail erosion repair, and our City Administrator Dan Wietecha will have an introduction for us. Welcome, Dan. There's lots of buttons. Nope, no, there we go. Look at that, yeah. And then you can hit the um, podium on the display line... the PC right above the blue button right there. Perfect. [2:28] **Dan Wietecha (City Administrator):** Hey, this one's probably a little bit familiar. We—we saw this back in February, and I—I know we had some conversations on it uh, last year as well. Um, uh, some significant erosion uh, with flooding last year, worsened with flooding this year uh, uh, on the uh, uh, riverbank uh, in the uh, River Flats Park uh, and approaching the uh, County's trail uh, alongside the river there. Um, one of these... there we go. Here we go. Anyways, there's uh, that red dot sort of the location in River Flats Park. Probably the more interesting photo—well, aerial showing the area. Here's the more interesting photo showing erosion. [3:14] **Dan Wietecha:** Anyways, last year we sought uh, um, grants and emergency funding for it uh, unsuccessful in those routes. Um, uh, earlier this year in February, came to Council and said uh, "Hey, we're going to need to take care of this," uh, get approval on a budget amendment in order to um, uh, hire... uh, believe we hired Braun... um, maybe it was Barr—hired Barr Engineering to help with the permitting and uh, specs to do this. Uh, we put this out to bid uh, this spring and received eight bids. Uh, the low responsible bidder is Fitzgerald Excavating and Trucking at a little over $49,000. Uh, and our recommendation is to award that contract uh, and issue uh, notice to proceed. Uh, the work is dependent on the water levels of the river itself uh, but expect that we would have uh, substantial completion in about a month and a half and uh, final completion by mid-October. [4:45] **Dan Wietecha:** Um, couple interesting pieces on this. Although the—the bid itself's about 49,000 uh, there was also about $27,000 for the engineering and permitting. Total price just under $77,000, which is much better than the 130 to 140 that we were talking about back in February, so we're pleased with that. I—I think the other piece that's exciting about it uh, is—excuse me—is that our Parks and Rec Director Chris Jenkins uh, did some pretty good negotiating with Dakota County. "Hey, this is approaching your trail and has the potential to undermine it and cause significant uh, infrastructure damage and expense," uh, so we're looking at a 60/40 split, uh, with the City picking up 60% of the cost and the County 40%. Um, so our total is about $46,000. Uh, there is the potential that because of the flooding earlier this spring which worsened this uh, and contributes to the cost uh, there is potential that we would uh, be able to have a significant portion of the cost uh, recouped through state or federal assistance uh, but that's to be determined. In any case, the work needs to be done. We recommend uh, hiring Fitzgerald uh, and certainly appreciative having some competitive bids. I can take any questions. [5:32] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Sure, thanks Dan. Council, any questions? Councilmember Fox? [6:19] **Councilmember Fox:** Thank you, your Honor. Um, Dan, I appreciate uh, this update and um, I walk this path with Ingrid, my dog, often and um, my concern and I'm—I have a request. Um, could we add a little bit more snow fencing, and perhaps could the County do it for us on that part of the path? Um, just to keep people away as the waters potentially rise with um, the last couple weeks of rain. Um, it—I—I appreciate Chris's negotiation with the County, and I think that could be another way that they support this work um, since it will be up to um, two and a half months or mid-October until it's totally complete. Hopefully sooner. [7:05] **Dan Wietecha:** Hopefully, yeah. That's just—we—we can check into the addition of some additional snow fence. Yeah, thank you. [7:05] **Councilmember Angie Haus:** Thank you, your Honor. Um, I know we had talked about this earlier in a meeting, Dan, too, that this doesn't include the spot near the Legion. Any word on how long that would take to hear back on that? Um, on when we'd hear about the Legion, if that could be added or not in that area of erosion as well? [7:53] **Dan Wietecha:** Can't give you a timeline, but you're correct. This proposal as bid is for this specific location. Uh, there is a much smaller uh, erosion uh, area but still concerned um, uh, sort of below—below where the American Legion is located. Um, we have inquired if Fitzgerald would be uh, willing to add on a little bit and—and bundle this in. Um, there's also uh, completely unrelated uh, some work that the DNR needs done uh, with its boat launch and uh, have inquired about uh, as long as we got a contractor here, instead of continuing to spend our wheels trying to work with the DNR, can we assist them at getting a contractor and can we uh, add that to the project as well outside of the—the proposal here? Uh, don't know a timeline on their ability to um, say yes they could add or not uh, but I would say at least on the piece below the Legion um, that is on Parks Department's uh, radar screen and if Fitzgerald can't do it, we would—we would get that riprap placed. [8:39] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Thank you, Councilmember Haus. If no other discussion, Council, I would accept a motion—oh, Councilmember Pemble, I'm sorry, I didn't see your light. [8:39] **Councilmember Dave Pemble:** At this time, I'll make the motion to accept Fitzgerald for $49,510 for that repair work. [9:26] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** You have a motion on the floor. A second by Councilmember Fox. Any discussion, Council? All those in favor of the motion state by saying "Aye." (Group: Aye). Opposed to that motion state by saying "Nay." And that motion prevails. Thanks, Dan. Tonight under Administration, we have a mobile food unit license application hearing for Gregory Brandon, G's Sweet Truck. And for this item, we will have an introduction by Attorney Matt Zebarth, followed by an opportunity for Mr. Brandon to present his case and potentially action by City Council. Welcome. [9:26] **Matt Zebarth (City Attorney):** Thanks, your Honor and member of Councils. I'm uh, yeah, here to talk to you tonight about Mr. Brandon and G's Sweet Truck's mobile food unit license. Um, Hastings City Code 112.0 governs the licensing process for mobile food units. Generally, this process is handled by the City Clerk. It's administrative, and the City Clerk approves the license unless one or more grounds for denial exist. It's part of that process, the City Clerk investigates the truth of the application statements and the moral character and business reputation of the applicant. The City Council may refuse to grant any application in its sole discretion. Before refusing to grant or accepting the application for this license, the Council has granted applicant the opportunity to be heard in front of them, and applicant is present tonight. It's our office's recommendation that the application by G's Sweet Treat and Mr. Brandon for a mobile food unit license in the City of Hastings is denied. [10:58] **Matt Zebarth:** The City Clerk in the investigation brought to our attention a number of violations under city and state law. These include the applicant operating without a license in the City of Hastings; the failure as part of the application to disclose misdemeanor and felony convictions; a failure on the part of the applicant to provide the required insurance under Hastings City Code; and the fact that the applicant has shown questionable moral character and business reputation. The applicant has a pattern of non-compliance with the City of Hastings mobile food unit licensing requirements. In an email to Madame Mayor, applicant admitted that he has been operating at every downtown event for the last two years without a license, as well as operating at the middle school last day of school celebration for the last three years. The events attended by applicant without a license where he attempted to operate or operated his ice cream truck include: the summer kickoff event on June 6, 2023; the Story Time in the Park series in 2023 and 2024; the middle school last day of school celebration from 2022 through 2024; the Music in the Park series from 2023 through 2024; Movies in the Park series from 2023 to 2024; the 4th of July fireworks and parade at the Hastings Golf Club on July 4th of 2024; and operating within the South Pines neighborhood a week later on July 11th, 2024. [12:30] **Matt Zebarth:** The picture on the left is a picture taken of applicant operating his ice cream truck within the South Pines neighborhood on July 11th, 2024. This operation was a week after he was asked to leave the Fourth of July fireworks and parade celebration where he was attempting to operate his ice cream truck, and less than a month after a letter was sent by the City to applicant informing him that he was not in compliance with the City's requirement to be issued a mobile food unit license before operating his ice cream truck within the City of Hastings. After the non-compliance on the 4th of July parade and fireworks, as well as operating within the South Pines neighborhood, the City of Hastings issued an administrative citation to applicant for violations of the city code related to the license requirement. [13:17] **Matt Zebarth:** As part of all license applications in the City, applicants must disclose all felony and misdemeanor convictions that they have received. In this case, applicant failed to disclose two separate convictions. The first conviction was a misdemeanor threats of violence with the intent to terrorize. The original conviction was a second-degree felony, but as part of a plea bargain and successful probation, this charge was lowered to a misdemeanor conviction. Applicant failed to reference at all this conviction in his application form with the City. Applicant was also convicted of a felony drugs third-degree, possessing 50 or more dosages of narcotic mixture. In his application form, applicant did reference this conviction; however, he indicated that it was a drug charge. He did not admit to being convicted of a felony, and as part of that charge, the 50 or more dosages of narcotic mixture contained fentanyl, heroin, oxycontin, methamphetamine, and other drugs. [14:47] **Matt Zebarth:** The applicant was also seen operating a food truck without a valid driver's license. The applicant has nine convictions for driving with a suspended or revoked driver's license. During the aforementioned Fourth of July parade and fireworks where the applicant was asked to leave, Hastings Police Department pulled him over while he was driving and issued him a citation for driving with a suspended license. One week later, applicant was seen operating his mobile food unit within the South Pines neighborhood of Hastings. Applicant was aware that he was operating without a valid driver's license, yet continued to do so even after the citation from the Hastings Police Department. [15:34] **Matt Zebarth:** And finally, under the Hastings City Code, no license should be granted to an applicant who exhibits questionable moral character and business reputation. In this case, the applicant has exhibited both questionable moral character as well as questionable business reputation. As part of the required criminal background check for obtaining a license, and more specifically for allowance of operation of an ice cream truck within the city, uh, the criminal background check indicated 26 court cases in Minnesota and over 100 law enforcement contacts for the applicant. As part of the business reputation, the LLC, G's Sweet Truck, that is listed on the application as the business being granted the license, has been terminated by the state of Minnesota and is no longer an active business licensed in the state. Applicant has also knowingly operated his ice cream truck without a license from the city and without a valid issued driver's license on and off for the past 3 years. [17:07] **Matt Zebarth:** In this case, City staff went above and beyond to assist applicant with preparing the required application materials. Starting back in 2023, City staff reached out, attached application forms, responded with emails indicating what was missing from the application and what was required to still be completed. When applicant refused to respond to those emails, City staff sent a follow-up seeking confirmation that the application form and the correspondence from the city was received by applicant. City staff informed applicant on multiple occasions that as part of this process there was insurance that was required as well as a criminal background check that was required to receive an application. Those messages were often ignored by applicant and then revisited later after applicant had operated his mobile food unit within the city without a license. [18:41] **Matt Zebarth:** Having a license to operate a mobile food unit within the city is a privilege; it's not a right. These convictions and these missing requirements on the application are not for minor things. These convictions involve threats to the public safety and threats to children in the community, which an ice cream truck—its main focus is on children and families. While I'm all for second chances, in this case, there was not honesty and candor within the application process, there was a hesitancy to engage with City staff, and there was the knowing operation of a mobile food unit within the city without a license and without a valid state-issue driver's license. In front of you is a resolution uh, to deny G's Sweet Truck and Mr. Brandon a mobile food unit license. Before the applicant has a chance to be heard in front of the Council, do you have any questions for me? [19:27] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Council, any questions? Do not. Thank you. Mr. Brandon, please state your name and your address. [19:53] **Gregory Brandon (Applicant):** Okay, I'm Gregory Brandon, uh, owner of G's Sweet Truck. My address is uh, 1936 uh, Eddie Street, Unit C. All right, um, I want to speak to... I want to talk about the um, the criminal conviction. You know, um, the Peddler's license... it only said that they were going to do a background check. It never asked specifically if I was charged with a felony. If they did a background check, they would find out. And I did write you know, her, saying that I have been in trouble in the past and I'm no longer you know, involved with any of you know, those uh, criminal activities anymore. This—this happened in 2021; that was the last... you know, I've been clean and straightforward you know, uh, since 2021. Also did treatment, uh, a drug treatment you know, so I can solve my issues. [21:24] **Gregory Brandon:** And uh, you know, I like to address issues with my—oh, another thing, I have required my—I got my driver's license reinstated. You know, that's another thing that you know, I also did. And um, you know, I want to you know, express myself by by uh, complying with the City of Hastings regulation. Since submitting my Peddler's application in early May, I have diligently worked to meet all the requirements, including updating my insurance and paying all necessary fees. Despite the effort, I faced significant delays and have severely impacted my ability to operate my business and provide for my family, including my four daughters. Um, I've never heard not one thing about my truck you know, being you know, for the state of Minnesota... I've never heard of you know, that he said that it was cancelled or something. But um, you know, the key issues is uh, the delay in license/insurance. I submitted my application in May and it's August now and and still I have not have my Peddler's license. The continuous delays have made it extremely difficult to sustain my business operation. Each—each time I address one issue, another seems to arise, further delaying the process. Uh, contradictory enforcement... I was invited—I was invited by the owner of the golf course to participate in the Fourth of July bash with fireworks. Despite being informed that I do not need a Peddler's license if invited to an—to an event, I was kicked out. Do not have my license. I was invited you know, to the elementary event, the Fun Run, and the end of the school ice cream at the middle school. You know, despite all my preparation, I was sent home immediately from the elementary school event. At the middle school, I was allowed to work one day, but I was not permitted on the school property, so my girlfriend had to work instead. The next day we were told we needed a Peddler's license, but our attempt to get a day pass was unsuccessful due to the delays. [24:31] **Tony (Gregory’s Partner):** Okay, so I was just asking um, Emily Kang if um, we would need um, if we would need a Peddler's license if we were called to an event, home, or business um, by the person. Um, so she wrote, "As long as there are no sales conducted by driving street to street or door to door, you would not need a Peddler's license, but you would be required to obtain a mobile food unit license. And licenses are not required regardless of sales conducted on public or private property." So it's just confusing. [25:16] **Gregory Brandon:** Yeah, this is uh, from the City Clerk. You know, if my understanding was if—if I got invited to an event, I would be covered under their insurance you know. And I have you know, you know, uh, proof right here that you know, the owner of the golf course you know, she invited me. She—she wrote, "Hi there, this is Nicole from Hastings Golf Club. Got your card... hosting on my desk. I know it's short notice but we'd love to have you on the 4th." And then I put uh, "Yes, I'd love to be there. Thanks, I appreciate it." She goes, "Woohoo! If you want to be selling by 7:15 to 7:30." And I said, "I can be there whenever needed." [26:03] **Tony:** I just also want to say sorry about the application. I've never done an application like this before for a Peddler's license. I was the one that filled—filled it out for him, so for anything that was uh, untruthful, that was my mistake because I unintentionally—unintentionally did that. I wasn't aware that I was making um, false statements on the application, so that was my fault. It's in my handwriting as well, so I'm sorry about that. [26:50] **Gregory Brandon:** Yeah, but um, yeah... uh, sorry. I got to... All right. The you know, with the email that she wrote with Emily... you know, Emily did state that if I was invited by you know, you know, an event leader or whoever, that I wouldn't need a Peddler's license. But I—I turned my Peddler's license in in—on May. I paid the fees and you know, I know I was confused with the insurance. I did get my Commercial Auto and um, you know, with everything was right. But I—I wasn't sure when I thought I got my Commercial Auto, I thought the commercial general liability was part of it. I didn't know it was separate. When I found that out, I went and got the commercial general—commercial. And—and then she said she wanted the City of Hastings on there. But when I was at the school you know, talk to the principal, he said that he wanted—he wanted uh, the school, Hastings Public School, along with you know, um, the City of Hastings. So I had them both put together you know, on my insurance, and it stated you know, Hastings Public School and the City of Hastings. That was also insured in the policy. And then I send it to Emily and she says, "No, she wants strictly the City of Hastings." And I told her you know, like, "The school wanted me to add them also." And then she goes, "Just change it back to the City of Hastings, that's all that she wanted." You know, I have the emails here. And then so that delayed you know, for me getting my license. And then uh, once I got that done and sent it to her, she didn't contact me for over a week you know, after you know, I sent it to her. [29:10] **Tony:** She has all that. I think—I think she has all that... oh, you guys have all of that? All the messages that we sent? Yes. [29:10] **Gregory Brandon:** Yeah, you know, like I—I've made attempts to you know, do the right thing and you know, and uh, require it. But there's always something else, one after another. And and right after I finally got the—the insurance thing right you know, 'cause I was confused with the uh, commercial general liability you know, uh, she says, "Oh, I'm—I'm sorry you know, we haven't done a background check on Tony," which also delayed it you know. And—and you know, so I was you know, getting a little frustrated like you know, I'm trying to do the right thing, I'm trying to comply with the City, but it seems like every time I get one thing done it's something else I have to do you know. And I'm not—I'm not trying to get over on anybody. I'm just you know, I know I've been in trouble before in the past but you know, I'm not that guy anymore. I'm—I've been doing actually good since—since then. I—I've gave up all my friends. I've just—just at home all the time and I work. I don't associate with none of—none of the people anymore. I—I don't even—I'm not involved in that lifestyle anymore you know. Uh, so I had a feeling that was one of the reasons why I was getting delayed. I'm not sure if that was the reason, but I had a feeling you know, because of my past you know, that—that's the reason why things were getting delayed. And I just wanted to show you know, you guys that you know, I—I don't live that lifestyle anymore. I'm not nowhere close to being that way. [31:15] **Gregory Brandon:** And you know, and um... and you know, and uh, I do want to apologize for parking my truck in the driveway. I know that was another violation over 8 feet you know. I uh, the only reason why I would park in the—the truck is if I had a event in the morning you know. I—so I wouldn't have to drive you know, 'cause I park it out of town now. I don't park it in town 'cause I don't really have places to park it. So I know someone in Prescott and he allows me to park my truck in Prescott. So when I have an event in the morning or early, I would leave the truck at the house just you know, until the morning and then I'd go to the event. And then after the event at the end of the night or whatever, I would go park it back in Prescott you know. I mean, I'm—I'm trying to you know, comply with everything. But uh, you know, I you know, the City accused me of being unfaithful in my application you know. I've—I've been honest. I—I try... if there's anything that's not honest, I—I don't know what it was because I did write Emily and I—and I explained to her that I've been in trouble in the past. I didn't go into details because I figure when you do a background check you would see you know. [32:48] **Gregory Brandon:** And uh, you know, so it in the application didn't say, "Be specific with you know, are you can—convicted of a felony?" It said that they have a background check they have to do. So—so I explained myself that I've been in trouble you know, for... I didn't say specifically what but I did say drugs and you know, and I told her that you know, I'm not—I'm a little nervous but I'm not that you know, I don't involve myself in that anymore. I'm you know, I've been actually good for the last couple years. I stay at home and and then I go to work; that's all I do. And I hang out with my kids you know. I don't go out, I don't involve with same people I used to. I only move back to Hastings because my four daughters live in Hastings you know. Back in—in 2017 you know, my wife left you know, and she left and left me with the kids... like I had custody of my four daughters you know. And times got tough. We built ourselves to a mid-class life and and you know, and and I didn't want to you know... I got involved with all of this illegal stuff because I didn't want to go downgrade myself, which I know that was the wrong thing to do. And you know, I'm not no longer into into that you know, mess anymore you know. [34:20] **Gregory Brandon:** But I made poor choices back in the day because you know, time got hard and and I had a house, I had four daughters to take care of, and I didn't know what to do. Everything that I got paid for on my job back then you know, I paid for everything and I didn't not have $1 to spend for myself or for food or anything. So I needed to get help from the state and I wasn't you know... my—had an ego back then. I didn't want help... didn't want help. So—so I just you know, made poor choices you know. And you know, and I accept you know, all—everything that came with it you know. Like you know, they did give me chances. I've shown myself you know, that uh, you know, I'm not involved in that stuff anymore. The judge you know, let me go with uh, probation and stuff like that. And you know, and uh, you know, I'm just trying to do better like... I'm not living that way. I got my license back or reinstated you know, and uh, you know, I just trying to do the right thing out here and you know, I just want to redeem myself you know. I want to show redemption that I'm you know, no longer the person I was you know. [36:01] **Gregory Brandon:** And um, you know, and sometimes I do feel like I'm being treated unfairly you know, targeted due to my past. I've worked hard to change my ways and I'm committed to being a positive presence in the community. Despite this, I face undue scrutiny and obstacles that others do not seem to encounter you know. Um, my parking—my parking restrictions you know, I've been told I can't park my truck in residential area. I found a new location you know. Um, I've been dealing with lost income and financial hardship due to you know, lack of work you know, and uh, I've lost you know, significant income this year. I missed multiple events, including you know, the downtown events you know. And you know, my understanding was that if I was invited to a—event, because the lady who was running the events downtown, she told me I can come to the events. These are the ones that need vendors, and it was you know, like Story Time in the Park, Music in the Park, Wreck—Park Wreck, and police. I would show up to those events also... well, for one year. And uh, so while I was waiting for my Peddler's license, I would show up to those events you know, because you know, Emily wrote—said that if I'm invited, I'm—I don't need a Peddler's license. So that—those—that's the reason why I went to those events you know. I wasn't try—go to the events just you know, just on my own will. I just had the understanding that I was able to if I was invited you know. [38:07] **Gregory Brandon:** And um... and um, uh, let me see... You know, I wrote uh, that I'm trying to do everything right and comply with all requirements. I just want to work and provide for my family. The continuous delays, contradictory enforcement, and—and treatment are making it impossible for me to succeed you know. My mental health and financial stability are suffering as a result. Um, I do respectfully request that the City Council consider my situation and the efforts I've made to comply with—with all requirements. Denying my license would not—further impact my livelihood, but also send a message that efforts to reform and contribute positively to the community are not recognized. Um, you know, I'd like to thank you for your time and consideration. I am more [than] willing to answer any questions or information needed to resolve this matter. [39:39] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Thank you, Mr. Brandon, for your comments, your honesty. And I think Council may have a few questions. So, Councilmember Vihrachoff? [39:39] **Councilmember DawnMarie Vihrachoff:** Thank you, Mayor. Uh, thank you, Mr. Brandon, for being here tonight. Thank you, Tony, for being here tonight as well. And thank you to the City staff that I know has done an enormous amount of work and research and detailed recordkeeping to get us to the point that we were at. I know that everybody on the Council um, has read this and we've been talking about it today. Sir, I commend you for coming here today. That is not an easy thing to do. I commend you for making peace with your past. I have people in my family that don't live with me directly, but that are part of the recovery community. Trust—trust me, sir, I am incredibly empathetic. I am the product of—I am the oldest of four children. My mother was a single mother. Again, I empathize with you. I do not relish being um, part of a City Council that denies somebody an ice cream truck license. I mean, that—that seems to me something that we read in comics or see on The Daily Show or something like that. And I do see and I've read through your application and the City's response um, a couple of times between last night and today. [40:25] **Councilmember DawnMarie Vihrachoff:** And I guess my question to you is that when you were encountering um, multiple letters from the City and you had folks that were reaching out to you... because my sense from the City is that they do not want to—they did not want to deny you this. We—we want uh, business here in the City, especially an ice cream truck that's—that's bringing that. But at the same time, sir, when you—when we are emailing you and when the City Clerk is taking time one-on-one to say, "Hey, we need this from you," and then she's not hearing back from you immediately, that's really, really challenging. And I certainly don't want to overtake this meeting and go for a back and forth. I do want to thank you for your time. I want to commend you for coming here today. Um, I'm thankful for you and the City that has put this before us. Um, I guess I just—did you have any questions? Was there difficulty with the application? Did you not understand the process? I guess I'm just not understanding how we've gotten here. [41:11] **Gregory Brandon:** I've—I've replied. Maybe one or two emails that I—I missed and I didn't reply back immediately. But for the most part you know, I've you know, I got dates here and and me replying back you know. I was confused with the you know, the insurance process where it took me you know, a couple times to fix. I got that done you know, but it wasn't—I wasn't ignoring any of these you know, know, emails you know. It—I did miss maybe one or two emails and I didn't reply back immediately. [41:57] **Tony:** I think we were just confused most of the time. I was confused on the insurance part and I thought that we had the workers' compensation um, stuff figured out. But the... I think the general liability... I—I've never filled out an application like this before and I was helping him with it. So a lot of that was my fault, honestly, so I'm sorry about that. [41:57] **Gregory Brandon:** I also you know, once I got everything you know, once she explained to me you know, what I needed, I—I made steps to—to correct it you know. She... the insurance at first it said—it said uh, you know, it didn't have any the City of Hastings insured or anything. She told me to... it needs the City of Hastings. The school told me they wanted the—them under the... so I put both of them on—on there. And I have it, pictures of it where I had both insurance. And she wanted me to change it strictly to the City of Hastings 'cause maybe... and then I thought about it, maybe you know, the—the City of Hastings covers all of it, I'm not sure. But I just wanted to make sure that I had the Hastings Public School on there also and you know, and then that wasn't right so I had to change that again. And once I changed that, I sent it to her. Mm-hmm. And this wasn't time process, this was all matter of days you know. And and then I didn't hear a reply from her you know, for like over a week you know. And then I you know, I sent her another email saying that, "I'm not sure if—if you got this email, I'm going to send it to you again." I sent it to her. It was all correct. I know it was correct because that's exactly you know, I figured it out and got it right. Sent it to her, and then she says, "Oh, I forgot to do a background check on her [Tony]," and and then that delays me more. So I'm you know, at that time I'm just thinking you know, you guys—or, I'm not saying you guys—but I'm—I feel like you guys don't want me to have my Peddler's license just due to my past. That's the feeling I had you know. And and I don't want my past to be you know, like... 'cause I'm not living that way anymore like... [44:15] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Mr. Brennan, thank you. Um, we do have other questions for the Council, so let's go that route. Councilmember Leifeld? [44:15] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** Thank your Honor. Um, want to kind of agree with what Councilmember Vihrachoff is saying regarding um, how hard it is... (Mayor: Sorry, speak louder). Sorry. Understanding that you know, being sober, being clean, right, is one day at a time. And as a community, I—we you know, support you in that, um, knowing how hard that can be. Um, I do have um, questions and if you could just give me the dates as your answer, that would be great. When did you lose your license—when did I—when was your license taken away, driver's license? [45:00] **Gregory Brandon:** My apologies. Um, this—it was a—a long time ago, and it wasn't for any—it was— [45:00] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** Could you tell me what year? What year? [45:46] **Gregory Brandon:** I can't remember. It—it was for an unpaid ticket. Okay, so in another state like back in 2016... [45:46] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** When you say you're not sure... it—it was a while, a while. And then you said—one second, one second—and you said that you got your license back, your driver's license. When did you get it back? When did you reinstate that? [45:46] **Gregory Brandon:** After my last one you know, the—at the golf course when he gave me a—a ticket for... so July of this year. July, yes. I—I just decided to pay because I have a big—it was a big payment. [45:46] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** I know somebody in a very similar situation and I know how hard it is to pay those fines, to stay clean, to keep a job, to get all those things done. But I can also state that choices were being made during that to continue to drive, to continue to get citations. And I get it, it's a vicious cycle, right? You want to work, but you chose a profession that requires you to drive a vehicle without a valid state driver's license. (Gregory: Let me finish...) Mm... I've bought ice cream from you. I think it's a—a cute thing. You drove by my house and I come running out in my swimsuit with my money—turns out I needed more money; ice cream's gone up since I was a kid. Um, and I understand the value that this adds to community. However, um, my concerns are the vehicle itself: the decals, the colors, the music, the product is all intended obviously for children and families. I will say to you that I believe in more than second chances, I do. But I believe that there are areas that I'm more concerned about. I am not the moral police. When I heard that word—how many times, that phrase... I do not and was not voted to be the moral police. That being said, the decisions that were made to continue driving this vehicle without the appropriate licensing is a concern to me, as is the type of work. I—I am a firm believer that there is something for you to do out there and that you will be—continue to be an upstanding member of our society because we want that for you. But under the circumstances, Mr. Brennan, I couldn't possibly vote in favor of renewing your license under these circumstances. [47:18] **Gregory Brandon:** Uh, I got my license reinstated you know. I—I paid $2,100 just on the fines that I owed and and they reinstated my license and immediately I went to do my—uh, my uh, testing you know, my knowledge testing, and I passed that. So like I—I made steps to getting my license. And you know, I... the only thing is I need to do the driving test, which is hard to schedule you know, and that's the final step. [48:03] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** I'm going to go ahead and um, end my and let other members speak. And um, continue on this sober living and you know, one day at a time. Thank you. [48:03] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Councilmember Pemble? [48:51] **Councilmember Dave Pemble:** Mr. Brandon, the question up here is the issue of the ordinance says you have to apply and then meet the requirements that are in—what is laid out in the ordinance. And once you have the paper or the certificate that says you're good to go... did you get anything like that? And you—my question is what made you think that you could proceed forward with uh, incomplete application? [48:51] **Gregory Brandon:** I just need to you know, I'm—I'm you know, I'm alone here. I have no—no family except me and my kids. I need to provide you know. So I you know, I know I didn't follow all the steps the right way from the beginning you know, but I needed to make money somehow and I know if I make money I would be able to afford to get myself back together you know. Like you know, I you know, you know, I—I apologize for not you know, getting my license first before you know, getting behind the wheel. [49:39] **Tony:** He tried doing the diversion program but he got denied because he has a pending felony conviction. So it's very hard for him to pay over $2,000... [50:27] **Councilmember Dave Pemble:** Excuse me. My point is there's a process to make this work, and until it is complete, you don't have carte blanche to go ahead and just start selling. And and that is really where we're at. And and you know, I—I really understand your personal issues, and I know we have—I have family members that have some problems in the past and have had difficulty. But we're talking about an ordinance and requirements that go along with that. And then once those requirements are complete and you've been okayed and you have something that says, "Yep, you're good to go," then you're in business. But until then, you're breaking what the ordinance says. [51:13] **Tony:** We did get a day pass for the middle school though, so it's kind of confusing. [51:13] **Gregory Brandon:** You know, I—I turned this application in in—in the beginning of May you know. And I—I felt like it was just delayed and delayed like... I tried, done everything I needed to do and it was just... I—taking too much time and the season's almost over. I appreciate your concern you know, and I didn't know what to do you know. I just... [51:59] **Councilmember Dave Pemble:** My point is you know, we can rehash and talk, but this is an issue and it's precise. It—the ordinance requires this, this, and this. And once you've completed it, then you can move ahead. It's not complete. You you—it's—you don't have it all done and signed off. You don't have all the steps taken care of, but you were out on the streets of the City of Hastings not in compliance. And that's what we're talking about here. And right now I—excuse me, but we can carry this conversation on for hours—but the point is I think that this denial has to be accepted and voted on by this—this Council to move forward. I appreciate your concern and what's happened, and I think you could probably reapply and work more closely because you're hearing the understanding of what needs to be done and the process. And we certainly... I'm sure the City staff will help at their best ability to get this complete, but we're talking about these issues. Thank you. [52:46] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Council—excuse me, Mr. Brennan. I do—I think we've heard your story. Um, I think you hear where we're coming from. We are making decisions for the safety and betterment for this community, and you were continually being non-compliant. And we need this community and we want this community to be safe. Like Councilmember Leifeld said, you have a darling truck and kids run to it, and we want children of all ages to be able to be safe. We can't allow—we shouldn't allow people that are non-compliant to run a business within our community because it's not safe for all of us. We hear you. We hear you loud and clear. We appreciate you came; you—you poured your heart out to us. As uh, Councilmember Pemble just said, maybe a step back and just start all over clean and fresh. And we welcome your fully filled out um, forms and permits and everything all in order. And Emily at the—the Clerk's desk will help you do that correctly, so next year you'll have a fresh start, okay? Or whenever you try to reapply. But I think for now, we will go with the recommendation of denying you because of your patterns of being non-compliant. If that makes sense. [54:17] **Gregory Brandon:** Yeah, I understand. I apologize for the—me not complying you know. I just had a feeling you know, that this would happen you know, because of you know... [54:17] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** If—me sure—filling out in an application... I just felt like it was going to be denied regardless because of my... do you see why it's denied? (Gregory: Yeah, okay). Yes, I do. Because this isn't us... but it's complete now. Well, we're going in too many steps. We like things to be complete from the beginning, so we have a reason to say, "This is successful, we want you to be successful, and here's your permit." [55:04] **Gregory Brandon:** I don't know what to do now. Well, like I really don't. Like, I don't know where to—where to go, where to work or anything. It's just going to be tough you know. But uh, I appreciate it. [55:04] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Well, we appreciate you being here, thanks. Councilmember Vihrachoff, did you have something else to say? [55:52] **Councilmember DawnMarie Vihrachoff:** Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to again um, thank this body, thank the City staff that took the time to put this together. Um, I'm struck by that this was um, a hard, an emotional decision. I thank you, sir, for being brave, coming today, sharing your story. And I thank the City for all the work that they did and making sure that we could make an informed decision about this. Sir, I welcome you to reapply. I want you um, exactly like my other council members said here, to be successful. When you do get your license and everything in order, I will personally give you my address. There are at least five kids that live on my block; I would love for you to come over to where I live. I will buy all the kids ice cream. We want you to succeed; we just want you to do it in the legal, lawful way. Um, there's really nothing else I can say. I think that the Mayor and Councilmember Pemble and Councilmember Leifeld said it beautifully. Um, thank you, and thank you all. [56:38] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Thank you, Councilmember Vihrachoff. Well, we haven't voted yet. Councilmember Haus? [56:38] **Councilmember Angie Haus:** Thank you, your Honor. Um, I just wanted to let you know too, I just want to say congratulations on getting clean. I know it's extremely, extremely hard to get clean. Um, I pray every day for my brother and father to make the same decisions that you did. Um, it's truly a hard thing to do, so I—I really congratulate you on that. Um, it's extremely hard, but I do think that it's really necessary for you to do things in the lawful, correct way. Um, no one wants to deny a license to a food truck. We love food trucks; we love businesses here. That's what the City's about, is to help the City prosper. We want our constituents to prosper um, and the City will still help you do that. Um, so please, I hope you still fill out permits and you still fill out the applications, and I hope to hear from you still. Thank you. [57:24] **Councilmember Fox:** Thank you, your Honor. I'll be very quick. I'm a small business owner. I fill out tons of permits; it is very confusing. I hear you, I really do. Um, and we as a city want to be partners in—in business, but also in the permitting process. If somebody um—I heard you, Tony, say that um, somebody else told you you didn't need it for this, right, in—in a certain situation... because they've never had a permit, that's good information for us to know so that we can—we can adjust their behavior as well, right? And again, I'm going to say it one more time: this is not a personal decision, it's like a permitting decision, right? We need—we need the information. Um, I do have a quick question for Assistant City Administrator Murtaugh. Can you clarify um, a mobile food unit license versus a Peddler's license, and are they the—are they different or are they the same? [58:57] **Kelly Murtaugh (Assistant City Administrator):** Uh, they are different. Um, the ice cream truck license uh, last year uh, became part of the mobile food unit uh, adjustment that we did to ordinance recently. So it was under Peddlers under the first application uh, last fall; it was a Peddler's license uh. And then this spring there was a change in mobile food unit, and ice cream trucks were included in mobile food units. And so there was um... so that's where you'll hear the difference in the language. When he started the application process it was a Peddler, uh, but it's now a mobile food unit. [59:44] **Councilmember Fox:** Thank you so much. I was confused right there, right? And I was part of the discussion; that's why why it clicked. I was like, I know we talked about mobile food units in the ordinance change. So Peddler's license... I have one more question for you, one follow-up. Peddler's license is the um... if you move around, that's what you're licensed under, and if mobile food unit goes to an event and sits? Correct or incorrect? [59:44] **Kelly Murtaugh:** A Peddler goes from door to door. (Fox: Got it, so they move). But because an ice cream truck is more like a mobile food unit, it lives in that area. Okay, it made more sense because it's a vehicle that it would be tied more to a mobile food unit. [1:00:32] **Councilmember Fox:** I appreciate that so much, thank you. Um, so that's confusing too, right? It shifted during this conversation. Um, so I just wanted to point that out because that was clicking in my head as something that was a little askew. Um, we want you to be a success. We want you to apply um, whether that is next year, whether that's later this year. Um, we—we're here to support permitting processes, and we've got the best of the best to do it and and I—I hope that we get to work together in the future. Thank you. Um, I'll make a—a motion. Do we need a motion? Thank you. I'll make a motion to support the staff's recommendation, the recommendation of our uh, City attorneys, a resolution um, for denial of the license application. [1:01:18] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Thank you, Councilmember Fox. Councilmember Leifeld? [1:01:18] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** I'll second that first, and then I have a follow-up question to Councilmember Fox's wonderful question there. The—the piece about "if I'm invited to something"—explain that to me. So if I were to have a gathering at my house and I said, "Hey Greg, come on over and I'm going to pay for the ice cream," in this scenario, is there anything that needs to be done for that? Does he require—does the individual require licensing with the City? The peace with the state, is that still part of it? That's question A. And then to that, if I'm not paying for the ice cream because I'm not that you know, nice—not that nice—um, but he's parking at the event for instance... um, up at the golf course he was asked by the owner of the golf course to come onto their property to do this. There's some confusion there to what is required. Could you please... does that make sense? Okay, thank you. [1:02:05] **Kelly Murtaugh:** I'll do my best, appreciate it. Uh, I'll use the school as an example. You still need a day permit to be there as an invited guest. You still need a day permit to be there. (Leifeld: Okay, so one-offs, I'm invited once in a while to something, you just pick up the day permit). Absolutely. Otherwise, it's that yearly permit, annual—the annual. It's still a license, but it's still a license, correct. [1:02:53] **Matt Zebarth:** And then back to that state piece... you have to have the State Ag or Department of Health approval to operate a mobile food unit in the state. And so as a follow-up um, the designation of his LLC has been revoked, so the applicant itself, G's Sweet Truck, doesn't exist um. And so that would then create—if we go to an example of operating a motor vehicle without a driver's license—so if the applicant were to hit someone's car, damage someone's property, there would be no valid driver's license. And then because the entity itself doesn't exist, the only recourse would be against the applicant themselves. And so basically, the applicant being a business wouldn't exist; it wouldn't be a business. [1:03:39] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** So when you use the word "revoked," was it revoked or expired? [1:03:39] **Matt Zebarth:** Uh, it was revoked. It's called administrative termination. So basically the business wasn't operating, wasn't filing records, and wasn't indicating good standing with the Secretary of State. [1:04:24] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** Because I understand with the Minnesota Secretary of State you do need to apply annually. (Zebarth: Yes). And I also understand a lot of small business owners don't know that; I've been part of that with people. So understanding that that's something... so could it be as simple as he just wasn't renewing every year and that's why it was revoked? It doesn't need to be something bad; it just means that he wasn't going in every year and re—renewing. So—so just to confirm, he needs to go back and renew his Minnesota Secretary of State for his business licensing. He needs to—does he still have the state um, Peddler license? Is that still valid? [1:04:24] **Matt Zebarth:** To answer yeah, some of those statements... um, it wasn't indicated by Minnesota DVS whether uh, Mr. Brandon's driver's license has in fact been reinstated um. And in terms of the insurance requirement uh, there was never a provided Certificate of Insurance to the City with the commercial general liability or or the listing of the City of Hastings or the School District as an additional insured um. And then finally, just to defend the City's staff... the email that was listed about the Peddler's license, continuing on on that email uh, City staff informed them that while they didn't need a Peddler's license, they would in fact need to apply for a mobile food unit license. [1:05:12] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** I just want to make sure that Mr. Brennan understands the steps, 'cause we're all telling him, "We would love to have you complete all of the necessary steps at the same time." And he might need to make a visit to the City to speak with staff in order to do that, 'cause I'm confused as to what he needs. Yeah. So I just want to make sure that—come ask the questions rather than just being confused by it. Make sure: call the City, schedule something, come on in, okay? [1:05:59] **Gregory Brandon:** One—one second, your Honor. Just can I say... just a year ago, my daughter was part of ownership of the ice cream truck. And just last year I called the LLC company and I told—told them that I need—she didn't want her name on there anymore so because she moved to you know, Wisconsin. And I asked him to remove her and made me 100% ownership and... [1:06:45] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** You know, I know that that's all paperwork, Mr. Brennan, that you have to do online. That's something you'll have to take up with the Minnesota Secretary of State. (Gregory: Yeah, yeah). But—but as we just indicated, it's not necessarily because anything was wrong, but you have to renew every year. And if you're not renewing, well they revoke it. They're like, "Ah, they must not be doing this anymore." Deny you. So that's where that piece is. So I just want you to understand there's multiple steps here. But again to speak to everybody's point, we'd love to see you, we'd love to see all of the information back before us, okay? Thank you. Council? Council, you're good? Okay, there is a first and second motion. We are in discussion. Councilmember Pemble? [1:06:45] **Councilmember Dave Pemble:** Move the motion, please. [1:06:45] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Okay, thank you. There is a motion on the table. All those in favor of the motion state by saying "Aye." (Group: Aye). And those opposed to that motion state by saying "Nay." And that motion prevails, thank you. Uh, 2.0 under Administration, we have a PFAS update. It is our first um, meeting of the month, meeting of August, and that is when our City Administrator speaks and gives us some updates on our PFAS. Welcome again, Dan. [1:07:31] **Dan Wietecha:** Thank you, Mayor and Council. Um, really just hitting some highlights um, uh, particularly as they pertain over the last few weeks since we uh, discussed this uh, in July. Uh, one is the—term it the siting study um, uh, looking uh, at potential locations for water treatment plants two and three uh, sort of the central and west uh, locations. There is a strong preference to avoid as best we can residential neighborhoods um. At this point uh, there's several possible sites uh, that have been identified. Most of them are on private property uh, and because of that uh, uh, staff is reaching out to them directly and uh, gauging their potential uh, interest or willingness to um, entertain sale of the property to the City or if there's any particular concerns with uh, that property. Um, and that'll take a little bit of time, but I think it's the right thing to reach out to uh, property owners directly rather than suddenly throw them up on a map during a public meeting. So uh, there's a reason that you know, "Hey, where's this at?" It's in process. I—I very much hope that in two weeks, on the 19th, we would be in a position to bring those uh, but it depends how some of that—those discussions go forward uh. But there are several sites being looked at. [1:09:04] **Dan Wietecha:** Um, uh, this goes back a little ways, but the Minnesota Veterans Home uh, which is on a private well uh, which also has uh, PFAS exceeding the EPA limits... we very much uh—and this is conversations with the leadership at the—the veterans home here in town—had wanted it to be included in our um, project uh. And uh, have them uh, abandon their private well, connect to the City well uh, be on on a treated City system. Um, we certainly included that in our estimates and proposal to the state, but when the state did not provide uh, state—any bonding dollars, which they—they're their prerogative... um, we certainly cannot justify uh, the City in general picking up the cost to connect a uh, private property, as as important as they are in our community. Um, at this point, the Veterans Home is doing its own feasibility study to see if it makes sense for them to uh, build—build their own plant and maintain it uh, or still look at connecting to the City. We have offered that the estimated $1.7 million to connect, running the pipes uh, is something that we could uh, assess back to them and—and have be paid over time. Um, anyways, just wanting some clarity around that because it's a—a unique—a unique piece. [1:10:38] **Dan Wietecha:** Um, water rates... I know that we mentioned this before uh, but uh, as the budget progresses, these are certainly foremost in my mind. Uh, at the moment, we are looking at a water rate increase—it's not the entire utility bill, but a water rate increase—in the range of 35 to 40% at the first of the year. Um, uh, with that uh, we had originally intended, you know, "Hey, we're shovel ready, we—we need to get this solved, we—we'll go and start uh, this September 2024," uh, but uh, to do that would mean raising the rates already, and that just really wouldn't be fair to our residents uh. So that—we've delayed the start of the project uh, the construction of the first water treatment plant till early next year uh, allowing some time to um, communicate about the rate increase uh, tying it more directly to the budget discussions. Uh, it also gives us a little bit of time that if there—there's um, as an example uh, possibly a $3 million grant that we might get this September/October, it allows us to play that into the uh, the calculations and maybe a little bit lesser rate increase uh. But that's certainly uh, foremost in—in our thoughts as we progress. [1:12:13] **Dan Wietecha:** Uh, the other piece that's a bit more recent over the last few weeks is um, the state's uh, 2018 settlement with 3M. Uh, a year ago, the uh, Minnesota Pollution Control Agency told us that there needs to be a—or that they believe that there should be a direct connection to uh, one of 3M's disposal sites um. We have had a number of environmental studies conducted over the last year, year and a half um, by the PCA as well as uh, some required by 3M, and very much believe that uh, based on those studies, there are several uh, lines of evidence connecting one of our wells, Well Number 5 uh, to the 3M Cottage Grove site. Um, met uh, week ago, two weeks ago with the uh, State uh, and they agreed that there is a connection uh. They are proposing instead of the uh, existing dollars in the settlement, they are proposing to follow the Superfund process uh, and uh, require 3M to uh, cover the costs for Well 5. Uh, so uh, part of our system uh, unfortunately need to be just clear that Superfund is a long process uh, and not immediate. So uh, specifics on financial coverage or the impact on our construction schedule since we have a deadline at this point are unknown uh, until there's a draft Superfund agreement, which maybe as soon as this fall, maybe two years down the road um. We—we don't know uh, what that would look like uh, but it's in the works. Uh, obviously we—we're looking at several approaches to how to uh, uh, seek funding and and uh, uh, reduce some of the financial burden on our—our residents and businesses. Those are highlights in the last month, but with that I could certainly take any questions that Council might have. [1:13:50] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Sure, thank you Dan. Any questions, Council? Uh, thank you for the continual um, work efforts, and you and staff, and I know there—there's lots of work being done behind the scenes as always. Councilmembers, any announcements? Okay, I have a few um. National Night Out is an annual community-building event; please join us tomorrow, Tuesday, August 6th at Lions Park or in local neighborhood gatherings. Summer Rec programs at Levee Park Thursday, August 8th, Music in the Park with Buffalo Alice, which is classic uh, with a classic music supported by Ruth and George Doffing Charitable Fund. Friday, August 9th, Movies in the Park with Migration, sponsored by Ardent Mills; please bring a non-perishable food donation. Thursday, August 15th, Music in the Park with Root River Jam, rock, blues, and Americana, supported by Ruth and George Doffing Charitable Fund. Coffee with a Cop is Thursday, August 8th at Starkson Funeral Home; join the police to ask questions, voice concerns, and get to know one another. Makers Way Alley Market will be in the Levee Park on Thursday, August 8th; support area makers and artisans within our historic downtown and riverfront park by shopping at the markets. Concerts in the—or Orchard at LeDuc Historic Estate will feature New Pearl Buttons on August 11th and Darlene and the Boys on August 18th, sponsored by Merchant Bank. Wreck Art and Police is Wednesday, August 14th at Lions Park with nature suncatchers, inflatable rock wall, and giant slide, recommended for elementary and middle schoolers; supported by SC Toys, Country Financial, Hastings Lions Club, Hastings Family Service, Community Ed, and Hastings Prescott Arts Council. Cop on a Rooftop is Friday, August 16th; visit Dunkin' Donuts to support the athletics—athletes of Special Olympics Minnesota. This event is part of the Special Olympics Minnesota Law Enforcement Torch Run for Special Olympics Olympics. Meetings coming forward: Thursday, August 8th, 6 o'clock HEDRA. Monday, August 12th, we have a 7:00 PM Administration Committee meeting and a 7:00 PM Planning Commission meeting. Wednesday, August 14th, 6:00 PM we have a Finance Committee meeting and that will be budget uh, 6:00 PM Arts and Culture Commission. Thursday, August 15, 6:30 PM Public Safety Advisory Commission. And Monday, August 19th, 7:00 PM City Council. With that, I would ask for a motion to adjourn. Councilmember Vihrachoff and Councilmember Pemble. All those in favor of the motion—oh, Haus, I'm sorry—uh, state by saying "Aye." (Group: Aye). Opposed to that motion state by saying "Nay." We are adjourned. Actually, it was Pemble. I go to there, to there.