>>CLERK: YOU HAVE YOU A PHYSICAL FOR QUORUM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO OPEN THE 1:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS. MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE WE GET STARTED SOMETHING I NEED TO -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOUR MICROPHONE, SIR. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SPECIAL USE HEARING THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION. ADDRESS IS 3003 WEST CYPRESS ST STREET. MADAM CLERK, DO YOU KNOW WHICH NUMBER ITEM THAT IS? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SAYS 06. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD LIKE NUMBER 06 TO BE RECALLED PLEASE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GET A MOTION? >>LUIS VIERA: SO MOVED ON ADVICE OF COUNCIL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: A CHANGE AND A CORRECTION MADE DURING THE FIRST READING AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT CORRECTION WAS NOT REFLECT IN WHAT WAS RED FOR ITEM 60. DO YOU HAVE THE CORRECT ONE? >> I DO, SIR. >>MARTIN SHELBY: CAN YOU READ THAT AS IT IS IN THE ORDINANCE. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE NEED TO PULL IT. ALL WE DID WAS RETO ESPECIALLY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO DO YOU WANT TO RESCIND THAT VOTE AND THEN READ THE TITLE AND VOTE AGAIN? >>LYNN HURTAK: MOVE TO RESCIND. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ THAT FROM THAT PAPER. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, THE OFFICIAL ORDINANCE. ORDINANCE APPROVING SU-2 FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, LARGE VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISE AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISE CONSUMPTION AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEVERAGES REGARDLESS OF ALCOHOLIC CONTENT, BEER, WINE AND LIQUOR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED 3003 WEST CYPRESS STREET AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 3 PROVIDING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED, REPEALING ORDINANCE 8859-A ARE V-- PROVIDE AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> SECOND. >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET'S DO A ROLL CALL, IF YOU DON'T MIND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES CARLSON YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 65. A REQUEST TO CONTINUE FROM YOU, MR. MICHELINI. >> YES, SIR, I BELIEVE THE REQUEST IS IN THERE THAT WE SENT REQUESTING 06 DAYS TO CONTINUE THIS MATTER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 06 DAY ALSO PUT US INTO JULY. BUT WE SAUL JULY 17 WAS FULL. DO WE HAVE A SPACE IN AUGUST? WE MADE A MOTION EARLIER OF AUGUST 67 HOW ABOUT JULY 31. >> IS THAT CONFLICT WITH THE BUDGET PRESENTATION? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, THE 17th. >>LYNN HURTAK: LIMITS TO FOUR STAFF REPORTS BUT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING OF PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS. >> THAT IS FINE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AUGUST 7 IS WHAT THE CLERK IS SUGGESTING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW ABOUT AUGUST 7. >> YES, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO CONTINUE 67 TO AUGUST 7. MOTION AND SECOND. >> 1:30. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, 1:30, 315 E. KENNEDY, TAMPA, FLORIDA. THIRD FLOOR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM 66. >>LUIS VIERA: FOR 66 ROAR INQUIRING FOR THE FIRE CHIEF AND POLICE STAFF. HOW MANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR 66. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN PERSON AND A LOT OF SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS. >>LUIS VIERA: TALKING OF SOMETHING THAT WILL RUN -- WHAT DID YOU SAY, TWO AND A HALF HOURS OR SO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WAS GUESSING THREE. >>LUIS VIERA: GIVEN THE AGENDA. I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE POLICE CHIEF. NOT THE FIRE CHIEF ON THIS. WHAT IF WE MOVED THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN AND FIRE STATION 25 POTENTIALLY TO THE FOLLOWING WEEK OR SOON THEREAFTER AS WE CAN DO SO. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION ON THESE ISSUES. IF I FEEL -- SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUES IN TAMPA. I FEEL IF WE DON'T, IT WILL -- NOW NEXT WEEK IS A WORKSHOP. WE CAN HAVE IT ON THE WORKSHOP I THINK IF WE WAIVED THE RULES JUST TO GET IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THE WORKSHOP DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE TOO DARN BUSY AND LIMIT IT TO 30 MINUTES AS A WORKSHOP EQUIVALENT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T KNOW. IT HAS A LOT OF STUFF ON IT. I MEAN, DOES -- I HAVE THE MOBILITY THINGS ABOUT STORMWATER. THE JULY 24 AMENDMENT CYCLE. >>LUIS VIERA: WELL TAKEN. HOW ABOUT WE DO A WAIVER OF THE RULES FOR JUNE 5, OR INTERNALLY SOMEBODY WITHDRAWS ONE OF THE REPORTS FROM JUNE 5. NONE ARE MINE TO GET IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL MOVE -- I WILL CONTINUE THE LOWER PENINSULA WATER SHED PLAN PROJECT TO A FUTURE DATE. I WILL CONFER WITH CITY STAFF ON THE BEST DAY FOR THEM. I MOTION TO MOVE THE SOON TO BE COMPLETED LOWER WATER SHED PROJECT MOTION FROM JUNE 5 TO A DATE TO BE DETERMINED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >>LYNN HURTAK: ALSO MISS FEELEY IS HERE AND WILL SPEAK WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILWOMAN. I AM ACTUALLY OUT COUNTRY ON TUESDAY. AND ASK FOR A TURN WANTS TO JULY 17 TO GET THE NEXT UPDATE. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, WONDERFUL. SO THAT, I WITHDRAW THAT ITEM WHICH IS ABBYE FEELEY, ADMINISTRATOR FOR DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY TO APPEAR AND REPORT ON THE FIRST WEEK OF EACH MONTH ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REFORM PROCESS FOR THIS JUNE 5 ONLY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHILE WE ARE AT IT MOVING THINGS. FIRST ITEM STAFF TO PRESENT WILL BE REQUIRE FOR CITY OF TAMPA -- BECAUSE OF THE DEPARTURE OF OUR MOBILITY DIRECTOR AND THE CHANGES TO THE DEPARTMENT. I WILL SAY REMOVE THAT ITEM AND REVISIT THAT AS THAT DEPARTMENT IS MORE STABLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO REMOVE THE STREETCAR AND A SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, I MOVE ITEM 70 AND 79 TO JUNE 5 WITH THE REQUEST THAT THE FOLLOWING QUARTERLY UPDATES ON STATION 24 CONTINUES NOT WITHSTANDING THIS. I WILL LET CHIEF TRIPP KNOW AND HER STAFF AND CHIEF BERCAW IS BACK THERE. THAT IS MY MOTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANYTHING ELSE? IF NOT, WE WILL GO WITH THIS 1:0 HEARING. CHIEF TRIPP, YOU CAME ON, ANYTHING -- COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA IS GOING TO CALL YOU, CHIEF TRIPP. SO STAND BY FOR THE CALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S START THIS ITEM 66. MR. SHELBY, KICK IT OFF OR MISS ZELMAN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY WILL DO THE HEARINGS FIRST. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. I HAVE HERE SOME LIMIT MATTERS ON ITEM NUMBER -- NUMBER 66. THE SU 1-24- 98. AND I WAS WONDER GOING WE CAN HAVE THE ATTORNEYS AND THE PLEASE. T AT THE LECTERN, >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS MR. TRELLA HERE? >> YES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. TRELLA, ARE YOU GOING TO BE REPRESENTING -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE YOU ASK ANY QUESTIONS, ASK FOR EVERYONE TO BE SWORN IN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF YOU WERE GOING TO SPEAK ON ITEM 66, PLEASE STAND, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN. [SWEARING IN] I DO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY, GO AHEAD, SIR. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ADDRESS, IF WE CAN, AN ISSUE OF NOTICE HAS BEEN RAISED. AND I WAS WONDER GOING WE SHOULD ADDRESS THAT UP FRONT. I WANT TO KNOW WHETHER COUNSEL FOR THE APPLICANT AND COUNSEL FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER WISH TO ADDRESS THE NOTICE ISSUE AT THIS T TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> BEN DALCHIPALI ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER GLF 2 LCC. I AM SWORN IN WITH THE BRADLEY LAW FIRM 20001 WATER STREET, TAMPA, FLORIDA. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH REGARD TO THE NOTICE ISSUE, DO YOU -- THERE ARE TWO ADDRESSES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS, IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. AS A THRESHOLD MATTER CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. THE CITY CODE MANDATES THAT THE PETITIONER SHALL SERVE ITS PETITION OF REVIEW ON THE PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF FOLLOWING. SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR ITEM 66 IS OWN BY TWO SEPARATE AND DISTINCT LEGAL ENTITIES. ONLY ONE OF THOSE LEGAL ENTITIES, THE ONE I AM REPRESENTING OR PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF TODAY WAS GF ALT FINANCE TWO. THE FAILURE TO SERVE THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER 4565 WEST GANDY LCC VIOLATES THAT OWNER'S DUE PROCESS RIGHT AND WANTS A DISMISSAL OF PREJUDICE FOR THE PETITION FOR REVIEW. AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE 2761-E IS A MANDATED CONDITION SUBSEQUENT FOR A VALID PETITION FOR VERY RUE. IT IS CLEAR AND AMBIGUOUS IN THE LANGUAGE OF 27-61-E, THAT THE PETITIONER "SHALL," "SHALL" SERVE A PETITION VIA CERTIFIED MAIL WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF THAT FILING. UNFORTUNATELY ARE, MR. TRELLA DID NOT SERVE THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER. AND AS SUCH, CITY COUNCIL IS REALLY WITHOUT DISCRETION AT THAT POINT TO HEAR THIS PETITION AND THE PETITION MUST BE DISMISSED WITH DREDGE -- PREJUDICE. NOT DISCRETIONARY BECAUSE IT IS "SHALL" AND MANDATED THAT THIS MUST OCCUR IN ORDER FOR THE PETITION TO BE HEARD AND VALID. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, WHAT SAY YOU OF WHAT HE JUST SAID? >>MARTIN SHELBY: PARDON, IF I CAN. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CASE WHO NEED TO PUT ANYTHING ON THE RECORD OR WISHES TO PUT ANYTHING ON THE RECORD? >> THE ONLY THING I -- THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS THAT THE APPLICATION INCLUDED BOTH ADDRESSES, THE SITE PLAN, THE APPROVED SITE PLAN THAT WAS PART OF THE APPLICATION INCLUDED BOTH ADDRESSES. A CURSORY REVIEW OF THE PROPERTY RECORDS WOULD HAVE SHOWN THAT THE PROPERTY WAS OWNED BY TWO SEPARATE AND DISTINCT PROPERTY OWNERS AND BECAUSE 27-16-E REQUIRES THE PETITIONER TO SERVE ANY PROPERTY OWNER, IT IS FAIR TO DO SO OF THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER 44256 WEST GANDY LCC AND INVALUABLE ITS. AND MUST BE DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. >> PETE TRELLA. COUPLE OF THINGS TO THE CONTRARY. I AM GLAD THEY DID LET YOU KNOW THAT WE NOTICED THE OWNER AT THE TIME -- IS THIS ON. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TRANSITION AND PUT UP IT ON THE BIG SCREEN. >> THERE IS THE APPLICATION. I SEE ONE ADDRESS. I SEE ONE PROPERTY OWNER. OKAY. SECOND THING I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE IS HERE IS THE ACELA REPORT. ONE ADDRESS, ONE PROPERTY OWNER. LASTLY, HOW WE FILED OUR PETITION. BEAR WITH ME A MOMENT. IT WAS ACCEPTED AND WE NOTICED WHEN LOOKING AT THE STATE OF FLORIDA BUSINESS RECORDS ONE OWNER LISTED AND THAT IS THE OWNER THAT HE IS DISCUSSING. WERE THERE OTHER ADDRESSES INVOLVED? THAT IS UP TO YOU ALL TO DECIDE, BUT IN EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE AS A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WE FOLLOWED THE RULES TO THE T. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. COUNCIL, I PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET AN ACTUAL COPY OF CODE ELECTION 27-16, FOUR-PAGED DOCUMENT, DOUBLE SIDED. I HIGHLIGHTED IN PARTICULAR THE CODE -- THE PARAGRAPH IN 27-16, SUBSECTIONS E THAT PROVIDES THE PROVISION IF THE PETITIONER IS NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT THE PETITION FOR REVIEW SHALL TO BE PRO VIEDED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN FIVE -- WITHIN FIVE DAYS. THAT IS ALL THAT THAT CODE -- THAT PARAGRAPH PROVIDES IS THAT THE NOTICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN FIVE DAYS. WHAT THIS PARAGRAPH DOES NOT INCLUDE A PENALTY IF THAT ACTION DOES NOT TAKE PLACE SIMILAR TO ILLUSTRATE MY POINT. IF GO ON PAGE 3 -- CODE SECTION 27-16, SUBSECTIONS J, SUBSECTIONS 3. REMAND OF ALL PERMITS. THIS IS WHAT IT IS. SUBPARAGRAPH TALKS OF A PENALTY IF YOU FAIL TO PERFECT PUBLIC NOTICE WITH PUBLIC HEARING. THERE IS A PENALTY IF YOU PROVIDE AND THAT SPECIFICALLY OUTLINES THE PENALTY IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THAT PROCESS. HOWEVER, WITH REGARDS TO 27-261, SUBPARAGRAPH E. NO PENALTY IF A PETITIONER WHO IS AN AGGRIEVED PERSON FAILS TO PROVIDE THAT COPY FOR PETITION OF REVIEW TO THE PROMPT OWNER. THERE IS NO PENALTY OUTLINED IN THAT SUBSECTIONSO AS A RESULT, IT IS THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT'S OPINION THAT THERE IS NO DIRECTION OR NO -- IT IS NOT IN THE CODE FOR CITY COUNCIL TO DISMISS THIS WITH PREJUDICE. THAT IS NOT STATED IN THIS SUBSECTIONS PROVIDING NOTICE EXCLUSIVELY TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. THAT IS NOT THERE. THERE IS SIMILAR INFORMATION FOR IF YOU FAIL TO PROVIDE PUBLIC NOTICE. NOT IN SUBSECTIONS E IF THE PETITIONER, OHIO IS THE AGGRIEVED PERSON FAILS TO NOTIFY THE PETITION OF REVIEW TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNSELOR, YOUR OBJECTION IS NOTED FOR THE RECORD. I BELIEVE WE CAN MOVE ON. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HURTAK AND CARLSON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST CLARIFIED. I BELIEVE THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID THE ADMINISTRATION AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S POSITION THAT THAT WE ARE ROAR DOES NOT CREATE A FATAL FLAW. AND THAT THIS COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER TODAY AND BE WITHIN THE CONS OF THE LAW. SO THE DECISION OF COUNCIL TODAY WILL STILL BE ABLE TO BE DEFENDED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. IS THAT RIGHT? >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. CARLSON. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO BE PERFECTLY SAFE AND CLEAR HERE. IF -- IF THIS IS -- IS THIS -- IS THIS AN APPEALABLE ISSUE I GUESS I WANT TO KNOW FROM OUR CITY LEGAL STAFF. SO THE -- COULD THE GENTLEMAN ON MY RIGHT, COULD HE APPEAL BASED ON THIS ALONE. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. I CAN'T ANSWER WHAT HE MUD IS BE DOING. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM NOT SAYING SHOULDY, BUT COULD HE. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I AM ONLY HERE TO GIVE YOU WHAT THE CODE SAYS. >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: COULD -- NOT THE PETITIONER BUT THE -- THE OWNER -- THE PROPERTY OWNER, COULD THEY APPEAL BASED ON JUST THIS? SO BASICALLY WHAT I AM SAYING, DO WE NEED TO GO BACK AND MAKE SURE IT IS NOTICED CORRECTLY? >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. DAL PECHI'S ARGUMENT THAT IT IS NOT CURABLE. YOU ARE ADVISED BY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. WHAT THE CODE SAYS AND THE REMEDY THAT DOESN'T EXIST. YOU WOULD BE ACTING OUTSIDE THE CODE AND SHE HAS ADVISED YOU THEY ARE PREPARED TO PROCEED AND YOU HAVE BEEN ADVISED YOU CAN AND SHOULD MOVE FORWARD AT THIS POINT. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CARLSON. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOUR OBJECTION IS NOTED FOR THE RECORD AND I BELIEVE WE SHOULD MOVE ON. >> JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE RESERVE OUR RIGHTS ACCORDINGLY AND ARE PREPARED TO PREPARE OUR PETITION ON THE OWN THEIR WAS PROPERLY NOTICED AND THAT IS ONLY AS TO GF ALT FINANCE 2. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I CAN UNDERSTAND FOR THE RECORD, THAT THAT PERSON IS AWARE OF THIS -- THAT CORPORATION IS AWARE OF THIS HEARING TAKING PLACE? >> MY OBJECTION IS THAT THERE IS A STRICT REQUIREMENT THAT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ANY DISCRETION IN ORDER FOR A PETITION FOR REVIEW TO BE VALID. AND THE PRESCRIPTIVE ENVIRONMENT UNDER THE TAMPA CITY CODE IS THAT A PETITIONER SHALL SERVE ITS PETITION FOR REVIEW ON THE PROPERTY OWNER. AND BY FAILING TO DO SO ON THE PROPERTY OWNER 4465 WEST GANDY LCC. OUR PETITION THAT THE PETITION FOR REVIEW FATALLY FAILS AND SHOULD BE DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT BEING NOTED FOR THE RECORD, ARE YOU PREPARED TO MOVE ON TODAY. >> ON BEHALF OF GF ALT FINANCE 2, THE OWN THEIR WAS PROPERLY NOTICED, YES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU. I DON'T -- IS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO SAY SIR? >> SOMETHING THAT CITY -- THAT THEY MENTIONED AND I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM. IT IS SINGULAR OWNER IN HOW IT IS WRITTEN, CORRECT? NOT "OWNERS?" >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM NOT PREPARED TO MAKE A FINDING AND THE CITY COUNCIL IS NOT PERMITTED TO MAKE FINDING OF FACT TODAY. >> AS A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TRYING TO FOLLOW THE RULES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME ASK ARE YOU PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD. >> YES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SOMETHING YOU WANT TO SAY AS PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION. ONE OTHER POINT YOU WANTED TO? >> HOUSEKEEPING MATTER ONLY IS THAT IN LIGHT OF THE LIBERTY HOSPITALITY DECISION THAT WAS HANDED DOWN BY JUDGE MOE IN THE 13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT HERE IN TAMPA, CAN THE CITY ATTORNEY PLEASE CONFIRM THAT THIS HEARING IS A QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEEDING AND THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS SUCH AUTHORITY TO PROCEED. IF SO, WE ARE PREPARED TO PROCEED UNDER A RESERVATION OF RIGHTS ACCORDINGLY. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. IN REFERENCE TO THE LETTER SUBMITTED TO THE CITY ON MAY 13, 2025, NUMBER 7 OF THE LETTER. THE CITY DISAGREES WITH THE STATEMENTS IN NUMBER 7 AS NOTED IN FOOTNOTE NUMBER 3. ISSUE OF THE CIRCUIT COURT'S ORDER IS ON APPEAL IN THE SECOND DCA IN CASE NUMBER -D-2024-2082. SINCE THE MATTER IS ON APPEAL AND OUR APPELLATE ARGUMENTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES THE CITY WILL NOT ADDRESS IT AND PREDICT HOW THE SECOND DCA WILL RULE ON THIS ISSUE. IF LITIGATION IS FILED, THE SUIT WILL BE VIGOROUSLY DEFENDED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNSELOR, YOUR OBJECTION IS NOTED FOR THE RECORD. IF I CAN, MISS CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE HAS PROVIDED THE HEARING PROCEDURES FOR TODAY'S HEARING. AND THAT BEING THE CASE, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AT THIS TIME TO ASK CITY COUNCIL TO RECEIVE AND FILE ANY EX-PARTE WRITTEN DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTES. >>BILL CARLSON: SO MOVED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH REGARDS TO -- SORRY, COUNCIL. WITH REGARDS TO THE TIME FRAMES SET FORTH, I BELIEVE THERE HAS BEEN A REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY, AND I BELIEVE, SIR, IF YOU WOULD JUST PUT THAT ON THE RECORD, PLEASE, AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. TYLER HUDSON, 400 ASHLEY DRIVE. WE WOULD REQUEST EXTRA FIVE MINUTES FOR THE RESPONDENTER'S CASE IN CHIEF. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE PETITIONER GETTING THE FIVE MINUTES. BUYER AND DEVELOPER WHICH IS MY CLIENT. WE ASK FOR FIVE ADDITIONAL MINUTES AND WOULD LIKE THAT RECIPROCALLY FOR MR. TRELLA. >> I DON'T NEED AN EXTRA FIVE MINUTES. CAN I SAY I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE RULES INTACT AND LEAVE IT AT 15 MINUTES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WISH TO OBJECT TO IT, YOU CAN. AND THEN I WILL MAKE MY STATEMENT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD YOU LIKE TO FORMALLY OBJECT TO IT. IF HE USE IT IS OR NOT. >> PETE TRELLA, BAYSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, I AM GOING TO READ RULE 6-B. REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL TIME ONLY IF THE PARTICIPANT MAKING THE REQUEST ESTABLISHES TO THE SATISFACTION OF COUNCIL THAT ADDITIONAL TIME IS NECESSARY TO AFFORD PROCEDURAL DUE PROCESS. COUNCILMEMBERS SHALL BY A MAJORITY VOTE GRANT OR DENY THE VOTE IN THE ADDITIONAL TIME NECESSARY. IN THIS CASE, IT IS THE REQUEST OF FIVE MINUTES. IN THE EVENT A QUASI-JUDICIAL IS GIVEN ADDITIONAL TIME MAKE A PRESENTATION, THE PETITIONER, THE PARTY SEEKING REVIEW, MAY ALSO REQUEST ADDITIONAL TIME FOR PURPOSES OF REBUTTAL AS NECESSARY TO AFFORD PROCEDURAL DUE PROCESS. SO -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL SAY ASK -- HOLD THAT FIVE MINUTES IN RESERVE AND IF WE FEEL THAT THE COUNCIL NEEDS THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR THIS CASE TO PROCEED TO PROVIDE DUE PROCESS, HE THE ABILITY TO GRANT THAT KNIFE MINUTES AT THAT TIME. >> CAN I MAKE A COMMENT OF DUE PROCESS. THE PETITIONER MISNOTICED IN APPLICATION. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE IN MARCH. WE ARE HERE IN MAY. MISTAKES HAPPEN. WE MISS NOTICE. IT ALL HAPPENS. WE ARE TWO MONTHS DELAYED IN BEING HERE. FIVE MINUTES FOR TWO MONTHS? I THINK IT IS A FEAR TRADE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO GIVE HIM FIVE MINUTES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. YOU HAVE YOUR FIVE MINUTES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOW I BELIEVE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVERYBODY GETS FIVE MINUTES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MISS CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE, THE FLOOR. >> YOU-- THE FLOOR IS YOURS. >>. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: HELLO, AGAIN, CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. I'M HERE ON ITEM 66 SU-1, 4456 WEST GANDY BOULEVARD. THE PETITIONER IN THIS CASE AS I STATED BEFORE AND HAS BEEN INTRODUCED AS AN AGGRIEVED PARTY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MR. PETER TRELLA IS REPRESENTING THE ACHIEVED PERSON. THE REQUEST FOR THIS ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED TOWN HOME UN UNITS. STAFF APPROVED THE REQUESTS ON THE BASIS THAT IT MET THE TWO REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN CODE SECTION 27-132. THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE LISTED ON THE STAFF REPORT, AND THEY ARE ALSO IN YOUR PACKET. I PROVIDED, AS I SAID TO YOU BEFORE, A COPY OF CODE SECTION 27-61. STAFF HAS INCLUDED IN THEIR REPORT THE TWO REQUIREMENTS FOR CODE SECTION 27-132, WHICH ARE THEIR REGULATIONS GOVERNING INDIVIDUAL SPECIAL USES. CODE ELECTION 27-129 WHICH ARE THE GENERAL STANDARDS AND CODE SECTION 27-130 WHICH ARE THE CONDITIONS AND SAFEGUARDS. I ALSO PROVIDED SAMPLE MOTIONS AND AS YOU ARE AWARE, THE RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR THIS MATTER. AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED THE STATED REVIEW FOR THAT MATTER THIS REVIEW HEARING IT A DE NOVO STANDARD OF REVIEW OUTBEHINDED IN CODE SECTION 27-61 SUBJECTION J-3. ESSENTIALLY WHAT THAT MEANS YOU ARE SITTING IN THE SHOES OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. YOU CAN DETERMINE AFTER YOU HEAR ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT IS PRESENTED THIS AFTERNOON AND THE INFORMATION PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED FOR THIS APPLICATION ON WHETHER OR NOT IT MEETS THE CRITERIA OF -- THE APPLICATION MEETS THE CRITERIA CODE SECTION 27-1 2. YOU CAN RECEIVE NEW EVIDENCE AT THIS HEARING. STAFF IS PRESENT. MISS LAURA MARLEY. SHE WILL GO OVER THE WHOLE -- THE ENTIRE DECISION AND THE BASIS FOR THE APPROVAL. AFTER HEARING ALL THE EVIDENCE, CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE TWO ACTION ON THIS MATTER. CITY COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE DECISION OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND, THEREFORE, DENY THE APPLICATION FOR THE SU-1. OR CITY COUNCIL CAN -- CAN OVERTURN THE DECISION AND, THEREFORE -- SORRY IF I SAID THAT IN REVERSE. CITY COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE DECISION OF THE -- OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR AND, THEREFORE, DENY THE DECISION OR CITY COUNCIL CAN AFFIRM THE DECISION, AND, THEREFORE, AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR WHO APPROVED THE SU-1 APPLICATION. WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MISS MARLEY TO EXPLAIN THE APPLICATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >>LAURA MARLEY: LAURA MARLEY, LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION, ZONING COORDINATOR. ON MYLAR, SU 25-59. PROPERTY OWNER MR. TRELLA. PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 4465 WEST GANDY BOULEVARD. AND THE ZONING IS COMMERCIAL INTENSIVE, CI. SPECIAL USE REQUEST WAS SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED DWELLING UNITS. AND HERE IS THE PROPERTY. AND THERE ARE NO HISTORIC IN THE AREA. THIS IS THE OLD PLAT FROM 1995 OF THEIR COMMERCIAL SUBDIVISION. AND THIS IS THE ACCESS EASEMENT, ALSO RECORDED IN 1995. THIS WAS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION. THEY THERE HAS BEEN A QUESTION ON HOW THIS WAS REVIEWED. IT WAS REVIEWED AS DWELLINGS, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED. I WON'T READ THE DEFINITION FOR YOU, BUT THAT IS HOW WE REVIEWED IT. THAT WAS ON WHAT WAS ON THE SITE PLAN. THEY DID ADD AN ADDITIONAL TOWN HOUSE STYLE, BUT THIS IS THE SECTION OF THE CODE THAT WE USE TO REVIEW IT. OKAY, THE CODE REQUIREMENTS. THERE ARE TWO. THERE ARE TWO. THERE MUST HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO A MATERIAL OR COLLECTOR STREET AS SHOWN ON THE MAP. WHEN LOCATED OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL, THE SITE SHALL MEET THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE R SSHS-24 ZONING DISTRICT A WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR WHEN WE REVIEW A SPECIAL USE. THIS IS -- THIS IS ALL THAT WE USE TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE IT. IF THERE ARE COMMENTS OR CONTINUES BY OTHER DIVISIONS AND DEPARTMENTS, THAT IS TO BE ADDRESSED AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING. THE ONLY TWO CRITERIA THAT WE ARE USING TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE OR DENY AN APPLICATION. THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A -- BE A A CORRECTED ONE THAT SHOWS THE -- A CORRECTED ONE THAT SHOWS THE 25 FEET FROM OAK, AND THE 25 FEET FROM THE BOUNDARY -- >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU MOVE THAT UP. WE CAN'T SEE THAT. >>LAURA MARLEY: MOVE THIS UP? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST SLIDE THE PAPER UP. >>LYNN HURTAK: TOO FAR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE WE GO. >>LAURA MARLEY: SO, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT IS 25 FEET. THEY DO HAVE 25 FEET HERE. THAT THE END OF ANY PRESENTATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHO IS UP NEXT? SIR? >>MARTIN SHELBY: PETITIONER IS UP NEXT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS GENTLEMAN COMES UP FIRST. GO AHEAD. >> PETE TRELLA, BAY SIDE WEST NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. CAN WE HAVE THIS REFLECT THE 20? NOW WE HAVE GOT SOME TIME TO BECOME GOOD FRIENDS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU NEVER KNOW. SET IT FOR 20 MINUTES. >> PROCEDURAL TIME, ANY TIME LEFTOVER, CAN I RESERVE THAT FOR MY REBUTTAL? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WHY NOT. I WILL DO THE SAME FOR THE OTHER PARTY. >> COUNCIL, THANK YOU. REGARDLESS OF THE SITUATION, ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF YOU. I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS WHAT YOU DO. AS A YOUNGER MAN I ASPIRED TO DO WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND LIFE TAKES YOU DIFFERENT WAYS AND AVENUES. ABLE TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY IN DIFFER WAYS AND PART OF THAT IS TO BE HERE AND SPEAK FOR OUR BAYSIDE WEST NEIGHBORHOOD. SALKING OF 24-98. FIRST THING I WANTED TO DO WAS SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SOUTHWEST CONNOR NORTH OF GANDY OFF WEST SHORE MANHATTAN NORTH OF EUCLID. WE HAVE 5,000 RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN OUR BAYSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD. CONSISTENCY OF SINGLE-FAMILY BUNGALOW FROM THE 1950s AND 1960s. WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION OCCURRING OR THE NORTH END OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THE PROPERTIES THAT ABUT THIS ARE ONE-STORY HOMES. NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WAS LONGSTANDING UNTIL THE PRESIDENT UNFORTUNATELY HAD PASSED AND REESTABLISHED THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN 2021. PART OF DOING THAT WAS DUE TO MR. LUM. MR. LUM RASHEDLESS. NOT SURE HOW IT CAME ABOUT ORGANIZEDED A MEETING IN 4465 WEST GANDY. WE HAD A GOOD TURN OUT. 40 OF OUR NEIGHBORS CAME. AND UNFORTUNATELY THE PRESENTATION FELL FLAT. IT WAS ALMOST LIKE THEY WERE DOING US A FAVOR BY BRINGING IN HUNDREDS OF MICRO APARTMENTS RIGHT AGAINST OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND TAKING AWAY A BREWERY WE ALL CONGREGATE AT. A GYM WHEN IT WAS MAINTAINED WAS WONDERFUL PLACE FOR HEALTH AND COMMUNITY GATHERING. SALLY'S, FOR OUR BETTER HALVES TO GET THEIR HAIR PRODUCTS. A LOT OF GOOD RETAIL THERE THAT ANYONE WHO PURCHASED THEIR HOME BETWEEN 2018 AND PREVIOUSLY KNEW THAT. NEW WE WERE PURCHASING WITH A GIANT RETAIL PIECE OF PROPERTY AND SOMETHING THAT ADDED VALUE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE TALK SO MUCH OF WALKING. WE WANT WALKABLE AREAS. THIS PROPERTY WILL DO THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE ARE REALLY STRIVING TO DO. AND THERE IS REALLY NO TRUE POSIT POSITIVE INTRINSICAL VALUE. AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEED TO LAP BUT NO WALKABLE PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO BE EMPLOYED DOWN THERE. THEY WILL HAVE TO CAKE THE CROSSTOWN. COSTS MONEY. ONE BUS STOP. NO BUS STOPS ON GANDY BUT ONE ON MANHATTAN. OTHER BIG PIECE TOO IS THE ACCESS. TWO THINGS I WANT TO BRING UP BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PRESENTATION. THE FIRST THING IS THAT BOTH THE PROPERTY OWNER 4465 GANDY PARTNERS AND GLF HAVE THE EXACT SAME ADDRESS. SAME EXACT SUITE NUMBERS. WE SENT CERT FRIED MAIL, WE DIDN'T ASKED FOR IT TO BE REQUIRED SIGNING. ANYONE WHO RECEIVED IT AT THAT ADDRESS COULD SIGN FOR IT. SOFT DEDUCTIVE REASONING THAT ALL PARTIES WOULD HAVE BEEN AWARE THAT WE FILED FOR PETITION WITH THIS. NOW LET'S TALK OF DEVELOPMENT. WE KNOW DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. WE WANT IT TO HAPPEN. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY IN AN AREA OF TOWN THAT COULD USE A NICE UPLIFTING. I KNOW A LOT MORE PARTS OF TOWN THAT CAN USE A LOT MORE LOVE THAN OUR AREA. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. WE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY WORKED WITH THREE DEVELOPERS WHO APPROACHED OUR NEIGHBORHOOD KNOWING THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD A LOT MORE DENSITY IN OUR AREA. THEY TOOK OUR FEEDBACK AND USED OUR FEEDBACK AND RECIPROCATED AND KEPT IN COMMUNICATION WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IN ALL OF THOSE THREE DEVELOPMENTS, WE DID NOT OPPOSE THEM TO BUILDING THIS. CASA DEL MAR. 100-UNIT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT THAT IS RIGHT ON THE CORNER RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE JAN PLATT LIBRARY. BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY. WE ASKED TO EXTEND SIDEWALK TO SIX FEET. THEY DID. MAKE SURE PARKING IS NOT ON THE ACCESS ROADS 37. CAN WE HAVE IT BEHIND. THEY DID. LENNAR. THIS TOWN HOMES AT CROSSING. FOR DOWN A BEAUTIFUL OLD CHURCH. WE ASKED THEM, CAN YOU MAINTAIN SOME OF THE TREES? THEY MAINTAINED MORE TREES THAN WE EVER COULD IMAGINE. CAN YOU MAKE SURE THE SIDEWALKS ARE A LITTLE BIT LONGER. THEY DID THAT. FOLKS PULLING OUT CAN GO RIGHT-HAND ONLY WHERE THERE IS A PEDESTRIAN LIGHT. THEY DID THAT. EVERY SINGLE REQUEST THEY WERE ABLE TO ADDRESS. WE UNDERSTAND NOT ALL THE REQUESTS WILL BE ACCEPTED AND DONE WITH, WELL, SADLY, THIS DEVELOPMENT AND EVERY PROPERTY IN DEVELOPMENT THAT MR. LUM HAS BROUGHT FORWARD, ALL OF OUR FEEDBACK HAS FALLEN FLAT. I NEVER SPOKEN TO MR. LUM OUTSIDE OF THAT FIRST MEETING IN 2021 FROM THE HOLD NEIGHBORHOOD. I HEAR THAT HE IS GOING TO REACH OUT. HE IS GOING TO CALL YOU. NEVER HEARD A WORD. NOW MOVING ON TO THE REST OF -- WE ALREADY ADDRESSED THIS AS PART OF THE MATTER. ONE ADDRESS LISTED ON THE ACTUAL APPLICATION. THIS WAS SEPTEMBER 24. YOU CAN SKIP THROUGH A COUPLE OF THESE SEPTEMBER 24 WHEN THIS WAS FILED, WE WEREN'T NOTIFIED UNTIL OCTOBER 28 TO MEET WITH SOMEONE. A WHOLE MONTH PASSED BEFORE WE WERE EVEN MADE AWARE THEIR THIS FILING OCCURRED. THEY DIDN'T REACH OUT TO ME. BUT REACHED OUT TO OUR WONDERFUL FRIENDS STEPHANIE POYNOR AND CARROLL ANN BENNETT. WEST BAY HOMES. BRIAN LEBLANC THE MAIN PARTY REPRESENTING THEM. WE SHARED CONREDUCING ACCESS. WE DON'T NEED 300 OR 400 CARS TO ARE NO SIDEWALKS TO ENTER AND EXIT. WITHOUT SIDEWALKS, OUR CHILDREN PLAY IN THE STREET. I RUN IN THE STREET. RIDE BIKES. THE STREET IS UNFORTUNATELY WHERE WE HAVE TO CONGREGATE BASED ON HOW OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS SET UP. REDUCE THE BUILDINGS FACING OUR PROPERTY TO TWO STORIES. I REMEMBER SITTING HERE A FEW MONTHS AGO TALKING OF THE PROPERTY OVER BY THE YMCA UP ON -- WHAT IS THAT AREA, ARMATURE WORKS. A PROPERTY THERE. I REMEMBER THE DEVELOPER -- REDUCE IT EACH STORY AS THEY GOT CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THAT IS A REASONABLE REQUEST. FELL ON DEAF EARS. WE WANT TO INCREASE THE PARKING SPACE. THE GARAGE SIZE IS ABSOLUTELY DEFICIENT. IF YOU ARE PARKING GOLF CARTS, HOPE THEY ARE GOL CARTS. BECAUSE GOOD LUCK OPENING THE DOOR. SIX OF THE SPOTS ARE ENCROACHING OVER THE PROPERTY LINE. THOSE SIX SPOTS WILL NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO USE BECAUSE IT IS NOT ON THEIR PROPERTY. YOU CAN REMOVE SIX SPOTS ALREADY FROM THE VISITOR PARKING. DRIVEWAY LENGTH. JUST FOR SHOW. SEVEN TO 12 FEET LONG. A TOYOTA COROLLA IS 15. IF THEY PARK HORIZONTALLY WHICH THEY CAN, WE EXPECT PARKING TO SPILL OUT INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND A MAJOR CONCERN FOR US FOR NOT HAVING SIDEWALKS. IMPERVIOUS LAND. WE WERE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BY BOTH HURRICANES MILTON AND HELENE. 70% OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAD WATER INTRUSION. SOME OF THEM ARE JUST NOW MOVING BACK INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. COVERING MORE LAND THAT HANDLE THE TYPE OF RAIN THAT OCCURS IN OUR AREA IS NO BENEFIT TO ANYONE AT ALL. REDUCING THE -- REDUCING THE IMPERVIOUS LAND WAS ONE BIG THING WE PUSHED FOR. REDUCING THE DENSITY. MAN, WE ARE SQUEEZING EVERY INCH OUT OF THIS PROPERTY. IT IS MEETING EXPECTATION RIGHT TO THE MINIMUM. THAT IS WHAT WE WANT. TO MEET EXPECTATIONS. NEIGHBORHOOD ADDRESSES THEIR CONCERNS AND THE CONCERNS WERE NOT TAKEN IN GOOD FAITH. LASTLY, IMPROVE THE GREEN SPACE. THIS IS A GIANT PARKING LOT BEHIND IT. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE THERE. THEY WILL BE PART OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WANT THEM TO ENJOY THE AREA THEY ARE LIVING BY HAVING MORE SPACE. LET'S GO WITH THE DECISION. UNDERSTAND TWO SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THE DEPARTMENT WAS ONLY LOOKING AT. WE HAD 39 LETTERS OF OPPOSITION. SO IS IT A POINT TO SAY WHEN WE HAVE SITUATIONS LIKE THIS. >> SU. NO POINT SENDING OPPOSITION WHEN ONLY TWO THINGS WILL BE ADDRESSED WITH THAT. A POINT TO THINK ABOUT. ONLY ONE CONSISTENT DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMENT. ONE. FOUR WERE INCONSISTENT AND THE OTHER FOUR WAS CONSISTENT WITH -- I FORGET THE TERM -- CONSISTENT WITH, LIKE, COMPLETIONS OR QUALIFICATIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND WE HAD A LETTER, A LETTER THAT ACTUALLY HOW WE READ IT FROM THE URBAN PLANNER DOCTOR YOU CAN TAKE YOUR OWN FROM IT, THAT MAYBE THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. MAYBE THERE IS A BETTER WITH A TOY HAVE THIS REZONED. HOW DOES SOMETHING LIKE THAT GET APPROVED. ONE OF THE THINGS TO HAVE DIRECT ACCESS FOR ARTERIAL AND COMMUTER STREET DOES NOT HAVE DIRECT ACCESS. IT HAS CROSS-ACCESS. IT HAS TO CROSS TWO PARCELS TO MAKE IT TO GANDY BOULEVARD. OTHERWISE THE ONLY DIRECT ACCESS THEY HAVE IS ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET, OAK HELLER AVENUE. SO I AM NOT REALLY SURE HOW THAT CAME ACROSS OF BEING CONSISTENT CONSIDERING THE DEFINITIONS DON'T MEET WHAT WAS REVIEWED IN TERMS OF THE SITE PLAN. THE SITE PLAN HEAD SOMETHING MISLABELED. SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED TOWNHOUSE STYLE USAGE, 27-2810 WAS IN CONFLICT WITH THE HEADING THAT READ MULTIFAMILY TOWN. HOUSE STANDARDS. SITE WITHIN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT PURSUANT TO 27-132. MUST HAVE ACCESS TO AN ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR STREET. IT HAS CROSS-ACCESS. NO DIRECT ACCESS AND THE DWELLING UNITS ARE NOT STACKED VERTICALLY ABOVE EACH OTHER AND THE ATTACHED SIDES AND THE REAL WORLD IN BOTH. CONFLICT WITH 27-43. THE OTHER DEFICIENCIES. SECTION 27-43. UNIT ARE NOT BY SIDE WALLS ONLY AND DO NOT FIT THE DEFINITIONS OF MULTIFAMILY USE AND MULTIFAMILY TOWNHOUSE STYLE. DO NOT FACE COURT YARDS AND THE DESIGN STANDARD IT WAS NOT ADDRESSED AS REQUIRED PER SECTION 27-289. THESE ARE GOING TO BE FOUR-STORY BUILDINGS WITH A ROOFTOP THAT WILL BE OVERLOOKING SINGLE-STORY, SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. ZERO RENDERINGS OF ANY TREES BEING PLANTED ON THIS PROPERTY. DRIVEWAY LENGTH IS DEFICIENT. THE GARAGES ARE TOO SMALL. SIX OF THE VISITOR SPOTS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE BECAUSE IT IS NOT ON THEIR PROPERTY. ONLY ONE ADA-DESIGNATED PARKING SPOT ON THEIR SITELE SITE PLAN. AND NO DOOR ON THE GARAGE TIDE. UNLESS THEY WALK THROUGH THE GARAGE, NO WAY TO ENTER OR EXIT THEIR HOME FACING THE DRIVEWAS NOW NOW THIS IS WHERE IT REALLY HURTS US. A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE WHO LIVES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ENDED UP TAKING ON TWO FEET OF WATER IN HIS HOME. HE IS ONE OF THOSE FOLKS I MENTIONED THAT ARE GETTING BACK. HE HAS 12-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER AND THEY BOTH REALLY STRUGGLED WITH TIME AWAY TRYING TO FIND A PLACE TO LIVE. THANKFULLY THE COMMUNITY CAME TOGETHER AND GAVE THEM A NICE PLACE TO COMFORTABLY TO LIVE THEIR LIVES. THIS BEING IN A COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND AN EVACUATION ZONE, WE ARE HURTING OURSELVES. THE LARGE SECTION OF HOMES WERE FLOODED. FOUR OF THE NINE WERE CONSISTENT WITH CONDITIONS. THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR AND FOUR WERE INCONSISTENT, THE ONES THAT CAN REALLY IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. STORMWATER, SOLID WASTE, TRANSPORTATION, RIGHT-OF-WAY. THESE THINGS MATTER. SO I WANTED TO SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT ■OF A RENDERING THAT WILL B PRESENTED TODAY. BEAUTIFUL IS IT? I ACTUALLY AGREE. BUT THE ONE THING I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD APPRECIATE ARE THOSE ROOF TOPS LOOKING INTO PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS. THESE AREN'T THE BIG McMANSIONS THAT I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN COINED WHERE THEY ARE LITERALLY ABUTTING THE PROPERTY LINE OVERLOOKING FOLKS' BACKYARDS. THESE ARE FOUR STORIES. WE ARE TALKING OF TEN HOMES DOWN THEY WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK INSIDE PEOPLE'S HOMES AND PROPERTY. DOESN'T FIT THE STYLE AND WE ARE NOT ASKING THEM TO DELIVER IT EXACTLY THE WAY WE WANT IT. WE WANT REASONABLE. TWO-STORY FACING THESE HOMES SEEMS LIKE A VERY REASONABLE REQUEST CONSIDERING OTHER DEVELOPERS HAVE DONE IT AT A MUCH BIGGER SCALE AND I SAT HERE TO HEAR THEM DO THAT. I WILL SAVE THIS LAST PIECE FOR LATER. WE WANT TO WORK. WE ARE NOT FIGHTING ANYONE. I THINK WE WANT SOMETHING THAT WE ALL CAN ACCEPT. THEY HAVE TO MAKE THEIR MONEY. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. WE ARE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT INVESTED HOURS AND MONEY AND REALLY, TRULY, THE ONLY BENEFIT IS, THAT THE DEVELOPERS HEAR US. THEY KNOW HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT THIS CAN HAVE ON ALL OF US. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS HAS NOT COME TO FRUITION. SO I ASK YOU ALL TO PLEASE TAKE EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED INTO ACCOUNT. THERE ARE A FEW MORE SPEAKERS THAT WILL COME UP AND SHARE SOME OTHER CONCERNS AND ISSUES THAT I HAVEN'T ADDRESSED. AND I AM SURE OUR OTHER PARTIES WILL BRING UP SOME AREAS THAT MAY HAVE THEIR OWN VALUE. BUT AS WE ARE STANDING HERE TODAY, THE ONE THING I CAN SAY IS THIS NEVER SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS WENT THROUGH. THIS ABSOLUTELY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL. THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY THINGS AND THIS IS WAY TOO COMPLEX FOR ONE SINGULAR DEPARTMENT TO MAKE A RULE THAT CAN IMPACT A NEIGHBORHOOD SO SIGNIFICANTLY WITH SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT JUST AREN'T COMING TO PASS. COUNCIL, I THANK YOU. I RESERVE MY TIME RIGHT WHERE I THOUGHT I WOULD BE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MUCH TIME DOES THE GENTLEMAN HAVE LEFT. >> FIVE MINUTES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WILL PUT IT HERE IF NEED BE AND THE SAME WILL HAPPEN WITH THE OTHER SIDE. YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHEN DO WE -- DO WE ASK QUESTIONS AT EACH POINT? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER NOW SPEAK. AND 20 MINUTES AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENT, ADDITION ALE STAFF, AND THEN REBUTTAL. >>LYNN HURTAK: SAYS QUESTIONS BY CITY COUNCIL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS. GO AHEAD. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS DOESN'T CUT INTO ANYBODY'S TIME FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. CAN -- I AM CURIOUS. COULD THE GENTLEMAN WHO JUST SPOKE PULL UP THE -- THE PART OF YOUR PRESENTATION THAT HAS THE E-MAIL -- FROM WHOMEVER THAT PERSON WAS. >> YES, FROM ELIJAH GREEN. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS FROM OCTOBER 17. CAN WE HAVE ELIJAH GREEN COME UP? >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY. ELIJAH GREEN WAS NOT THE ONE PRESENTING ON THE APPEAL. IT IS MISS MARLEY IS THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM LAND DEVELOPMENT. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT THIS PERSON IS THE ONE THAT WROTE IT? >>ABBYE FEELEY: RIGHT. I DON'T BELIEVE HE CONDUCTED THE REVIEW OF THE S-1. WHAT IS BEFORE IS YOU A S-1. THAT WAS THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT WENT TO ONE OF THE PLANNERS IN IT THE OFFICE ASKING ABOUT THE ACCESS. THAT WAS ANSWERED, BUT THAT IS NOT THE INDIVIDUAL REVIEWING THE APPLICATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO I GUESS I WILL ASK THE STAFF PERSON OR ASK YOU. WHO DID THE REVIEW? >>ABBYE FEELEY: LAURA'S STAFF DID. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT WHO, AND ARE THEY HERE? . >> JUST -- >>LAURA MARLEY: LAURA MARLEY. THE APPLICATION WAS REVIEWED BY ALL OF STAFF AND LAND DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. USUALLY NOT DONE BY THE SINGLE PERSON. HE IS THE PERSON THAT SIGNED THE LETTER, CORRECT. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, THEN IT IS HIM. >>LAURA MARLEY: HE SIGNED THE APPROVAL LETTER. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHERE IS HE? >>LAURA MARLEY: HE IS NOT HERE RIGHT NOW BUT I CAN SPEAK TO THAT E-MAIL IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO. HE IS ONE OF OUR NEWER PLANNERS. AND THE PROCESS FOR THIS TYPE OF APPLICATION IS A SPECIAL USE ONE. A LOT OF THE TIMES THE PLAN INNER DO SEE APPLICATIONS THAT LOOK A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX AND THINK THAT POSSIBLY THEY SHOULD GO THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROCESS, BUT THE PROCESS THAT THIS APPLICATION SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH IS A SPECIAL USE PROCESS. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PIQUED MY. WAS HE ASKED TO APPEAR TODAY? >>LAURA MARLEY: TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HE WAS NOT. I AM USUALLY THE -- I AM HIS SUPERVISOR AND I AM THE ONE THAT DOES THE APPEALS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE PREPARE THESE CASE, MR. SHELBY, DOES THE APPELLANT HAVE -- HAVE A SUBPOENA TYPE OF LIST? HOW DOES THAT WORK? DO THEY HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO ASK FOR THE WITNESS THAT THEY NEED? >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY EXPERIENCE, NO ISSUANCE OF SUBPOENAS HERE. WITNESSES ARE PROVIDED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A LIST THAT YOU PROVIDED FOR PEOPLE THAT YOU WANTED TO BE HERE? OKAY, THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION. THIS IS NOT AN INTERNAL MEAL. THIS WENT TO THE APPLICANT. >> THIS WAS ON ACELA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COME UP TO THE PODIUM. >> BAYSIDE WEST. WE PULLED THIS FROM ACELA. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT I AM SAYING IS -- I AM SORRY, I AM STILL LEARNING NAMES. I AM GO TO HAVE TO LEARN YOUR NAME AGAIN. >>LAURA MARLEY: LAURA MARLEY. >>LYNN HURTAK: MISS MARLEY. SO MISS MARLEY, YOU SAID THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT FOLKS DO INTERNALLY. THIS IS NOT AN INTERNAL E-MAIL. >>LAURA MARLEY: LET ME EXPLAIN MYSELF. USUALLY WE HAVE MEETINGS INTERNALLY WITH ALL OF STAFF. THIS E-MAIL WAS NOT COPIED BY ME. I DIDN'T KNOW THIS E-MAIL WENT OUT. WHEN I SAW THE E-MAIL WENT OUT, WE DISCUSSED IT. THEY COULD GONE THROUGH A PD. THEY COULD HAVE, BUT SPECIAL USE ONE, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO THROUGH A SPECIAL USE ONE. THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW WITH THE SPECIAL USE ONE. THAT IS THE CORRECT PROCESS. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPLY TO DIFFERENT ONES BUT ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR A SPECIAL USE ONE. I THINK HIS WAS MORE OF A SUGGESTION, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW OF THIS E-MAIL UNTIL AFTER THE FACT. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHO IS LISA MIDDLETON. >>LAURA MARLEY: ONE OUR PERMIT TECH INITIAL SHANS AND DOES THE INTAKE AND ROUTES IT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MISS MARLEY -- >>BILL CARLSON: MISS MARLEY, IF I CAN ASK YOU AGAIN. WHEN YOU DISCOVERED THIS E-MAIL HAS BEEN SENT. MEET AS A GROUP AND PUT IN DOCUMENTATION OR SEND IN A RETRACTION TO THE APPLICANT? IS THERE ANY KIND OF DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU REVERSED OR SAID THIS WAS A MISTAKE OR SOMETHING? >>LAURA MARLEY: NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF. WE CONTACTED THE APPLICANT BECAUSE THEY CONTACTED -- I BELIEVE THEY CONTACTED ERIC AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WHY WERE WE SENT THIS E-MAIL? AND HE SAID TO CONFIRM YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT PROCESS, THE SPECIAL USE ONE. SO I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANYTHING ACTUALLY FORMALLY PUT IN ACELA, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS. >>BILL CARLSON: I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ELIJAH GREEN HERE. I AGREE WITH THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: I GUESS IF WE CAN'T HAVE MR. GREEN, THINNER RICK COTTON TO SPEAK TO THAT? >>LAURA MARLEY: HE IS NOT IN THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS CONVENIENT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE NO MEANS OF INTERVIEWING MR. GREEN. MAYBE HE ZOOMS IN IN AN HOUR OR TWO, TWO OR THREE OR FOUR. >>LAURA MARLEY: I AM NOT SURE WHAT ELSE HE WILL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THAN WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU. IT WAS -- IT WAS INCORRECT THAT HE TOLD THEM TO GO THROUGH A PD. THAT WAS AN INCORRECT STATEMENT. SPECIAL USE ONE IS THE CORRECT PROCESS. MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK ON WHAT DISCUSSIONS HAVE HAPPENED, BUT THAT WAS AN INCORRECT STATEMENT. THEY ARE IN THE CORRECT PROCESS. >>LUIS VIERA: I JUST SAY THAT IN CASE WE DON'T SPEND 20 MINUTES ON THIS ISSUE. IF THAT CAN BE EXPEDITED, THAT IS FINE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND CLENDENIN. >>BILL CARLSON: TO FOLLOW-UP. YOU SAID HE WAS A NEW PLANNER. SOME INTERNAL DOCUMENTATION THAT SAID JUST TO PUT IT IN WRITING, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT. YOU DIDN'T GET THE AUTHORITY OF THE OPINION AND THIS IS NOT OUR OFFICIAL OPINION. YOU DID THIS WRONG. SOME DOCUMENTATION. >>LAURA MARLEY: NOT DOCUMENTATION. JUST VERBAL COUNSELING. >>BILL CARLSON: RECORD OF THE VERBAL COUNSELING SOMEWHERE? >>LAURA MARLEY: NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DO NOT WANT TO BEAT THIS DEAD HORSE, SO -- IS THIS HORSE ALREADY DEAD? THE -- THE LETTER THAT I AM READING HAS COUPLE OF POINTS. ONE POINT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY AND THE OFFICIAL POSITION IS. SO THIS STATES THAT A SPECIAL USE APPLICATION IS NOT -- IS NOT APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THE SITE DOES NOT HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR ROAD ON THE STREET MAP. ARE YOU SAYING THAT STATEMENT IS NOT TRUE? >>LAURA MARLEY: CORRECT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU CAN HAVE A SPECIAL USE EVEN THOUGH ACCORDING TO SIT NOT ON A MAYOR ARTERIAL ROAD. >>LAURA MARLEY: THE INGRESS AND EGRESS EASEMENT IS THE DIRECT ACCESS TO GANDY. SO THE CODE DOESN'T SAY IT HAS TO HAVE ROAD FRONTAGE. DIRECT ACCESS. THAT INGRESS-EGRESS HAS DIRECT ACCESS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IN YOUR INTERPRETATION AS A REPRESENTATIVE TO THE CITY, THE PARCEL HAS DIRECT ACCESS TO AN A ADMINISTER Y'ALL ROAD OR COLLECTOR STREET SHOWN OFTEN THE MAP WHICH WILL MAKE THE SPECIAL USE APPLICATION APPROPRIATE. >>LAURA MARLEY: CORRECT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU SHOW ME ON A MAP WHERE IT IS AT? SHOW ME ON THE SITE PLAN? >>LAURA MARLEY: THIS RIGHT HERE WITH THE ACCESS ROAD AND THE COMMERCIAL PLAT. THE COMMERCIAL PLAT AND THE RECORDED DOCUMENT THAT SHOW THIS INGRESS AND EGRESS ACCESS ROAD. AND THIS DOWN HERE IS GANDY BOULEVARD. >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN, CAN YOU SHOW THIS ON AN ACTUAL MAP. BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE THAT -- I CAN'T TELL. >>ABBYE FEELEY: IF I MAY, FOR JUST A MOMENT. THIS A COMMERCIAL PLAT. A COMMERCIAL PLAT WHERE YOU HAVE SIX COMMERCIAL PARCELS THAT HAD A PLATTED ACCESS TO THEM. EACH OF THE COMMERCIAL LOTS ARE RESPONSIBLE TO HAVE ACCESS THROUGH THAT PLAT. SO SUFFICIENT APPLEBYs THERE. THE JERK CUT DRIVE THROUGH. YOU HAVE THE OLD CHURCH PARCELS. THOSE WERE THE PARCELS. WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PLATTED FOR THE COMMERCIAL USES, PLATTED WITH THAT MAIN DRIVE AS THE ACCESS. SO UNLIKE WHERE YOU ARE USED SEEING A LOT THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO A STREET OR HAS FRONTAGE ON THAT STREET THAT WE DEEM AS THE ACCESS, THIS IS A PLATTED ACCESS THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL PLATTING PROCESS AND THAT IS WHAT GIVES THEM THE LEGAL ACCESS TO THE STREET. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU SHOWED ME -- >>ABBYE FEELEY: IN THE PLAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SEE WHERE THIS WILL HIT THE STREET. >>LAURA MARLEY: IT IS RIGHT HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S THE ONLY ACCESS THAT WILL BE THERE? >>ABBYE FEELEY: THE ONLY ACCESS FOR IN PROPOSED PROJECT? >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>ABBYE FEELEY: NEVER TWO ACCESSES PROPOSED. SPECIAL USE, ACCESS ARTERIAL OR COLLECTOR AND THEN THAT IS -- THAT IS THE FIRST CRITERIA. SECOND ONE IS, IF YOU HAVE AN EXTRA ACCESS, THAT IS EXTRA TO THE PRINCIPAL. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHEN DOES THAT SAY THAT -- BECAUSE THIS DOES NOT SAY THAT. FEEFLZ FIELDS SAYS YOU MUST HAVE ACCESS TO AN ARTERIAL COLLECTOR WHICH THEY DO. IT DOESN'T SAY YOU NEED ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINTS OR YOU CAN NOT HAVE ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINTS BUT IT SAYS YOU MUST ACCESS. THE ACCESS FOR THIS PROPERTY, LIKE I SAWED SAID IF IT BECAME A COSTCO, JOHN, -- I DON'T KNOW THROUGH THIS COMMERCIAL PLAT THEY WOULD HAVE THAT ACCESS. >>LYNN HURTAK: IF THEY DID HAVE A COMMERCIAL USAGE, DID IT HAVE MORE THAN ONE ACCESS POINT? >>ABBYE FEELEY: ALWAYS HAD THE ACCESS POINT THROUGH THERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: IT WILL THE ONE ACCESS POINT. >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES. JUST YIKES BEN THE APPLEBEE'S. GO BACK TO THE THIS SIDE HERE IS THE PLAT. JUST LIKE WHAT YOU ARE USED TO SEEING IN RESIDENTIAL PLATS WHERE YOU SEE THE 50 X 100 LOTS. THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL PLAT. THIS PLAT HAS PARCEL D, PARCEL B, PARCEL A. THOSE PARCELS, THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL PLAT, THIS A RECORDED DOCUMENT JUST LIKE A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION PLAT. THIS IS HOW THESE PARCELS ACCESS IN. THIS PARCEL HERE, PARCEL B, THEY CAN'T ACCESS ON IT TO GANDY AND HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PLATTED ACCESS WHICH IS RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINAL LEAVE DONE, YOU HAD THE OPTION TO HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT PARCELS THAT ALL SHARED THAT INTERNAL -- WHAT WE SEE IN THE SHOOTING CENTER IS AN INTERNAL DRIVE BUT THAT IS THE PLATTED ACCESS TO THE STREET. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ONLY ACCESS AND NEVER HAD ANY OTHER ACCESS? >>ABBYE FEELEY: CORRECT. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WAS BEHIND THE BUILDING -- IT WAS A WINN-DIXIE, I THINK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JAYRE'S. LIKE A IN K-MARTE. OLD-FASHIONED K-MARTE. >>ABBYE FEELEY: NONCONFORMING. WASN'T UNTIL LAYER THAT THE CODE REQUIRED THAT NONACCESS ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR WHICH WOULD HAVE TAKEN THAT AWAY. CRUNCH FITNESS ON DALE MABRY, AN ACCESS ON BAY VISTA. WHEN IT GOT DEVELOPED, IT WAS TAKEN AWAY. THEY CAME IN FOR A PD AND GO THE THAT ACCESS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR CLARIFICATION AND LEAVE THAT THERE FOR A SECOND. JUST TO UNDERSTAND, EVERY ONE OF THESE PAR SELF-S THAT ARE NOTED ON HERE ARE INDIVIDUALLY PLATTED PARCELS THAT COULD BE SOLD INDIVIDUALLY AND TRANSFERRED INDIVIDUALLY. THESE ARE SEPARATELY OWNED AND CONTROLLED PARCELS. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THAT'S CORRECT. >>. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU HEIGHT ON THIS WHERE THESE PARCELS ARE. JUST THOSE TWO. >>ABBYE FEELEY: WHICH I THINK IS WHAT -- NOW I PROBABLY MESSED LAURA'S THING ABOUT -- THERE IS STILL PART OF THAT PARCEL. PARCEL JOGS AND COMES IN. NOT EXACTLY SQUARE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOTCHA. ONLY ACCESS IF ALL THESE OTHERS ARE BEING DEVELOPED INDEPENDENTLY, THE ASSESS TO GANDY WOULD BE RETAINED BY THE OWNER OF THOSE TWO PARCELS? THANK YOU. >>ABBYE FEELEY: SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO NOD MY HEAD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO TO MR. HUDSON? >>ABBYE FEELEY: IF I CAN CLARIFY FOR A MINUTE. THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM AND LAURA TOUCHED ON IT. ELIJAH WAS NEWER. HE DIDN'T KNOW OF THE COMMERCIAL PLATS. HOW THAT WORKED TO. HOW THIS THAT QUALIFIED AS THE EASEMENT TO THE STREET AND I THINK IN THE CORRESPONDENCE YOU SAW, WHILE IT MENTIONED A PD, WE STILL ALWAYS HAVE TO ALLOW AN APPLICANT THEIR DUE PROCESS. THEY WERE WERE IN A PROCESS THAT ALLOWED THEM THAT. NOT FOR STAFF TO THEN TELL THEM, YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS OTHER PROCESS. THEY APPLIED FOR A PROCESS. AND WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PROCESS THAT APPLICATION WHICH IS WHAT STAFF SHOULD HAVE DONE AND THEY IS IT DO. DIFFERENT PROCESSES ALLOW APPLICANTS TO HAVE DIFFERENT WAYS TO THE SAME RESULT, THEY WERE IN A PROCESS AND THEY FILED THAT APPLICATION AND WE HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO HAVE THAT DUE PROCESS TAKE PLACE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. HUDSON, PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. TYLER HUDSON. GARDNER BREWER HUDSON. ASHLEY DRIVE. IF YOU CAN BRING UP THE GBH POWERPOINT. WHILE THAT GOES UP I WANT TO RISE IN DEFENSE OF ELIJAH HERE. THAT WAS BACK IN OCTOBER OF 2024. FOLKS E-MAIL STAFF A LOT AND ASK QUESTIONS. AND THE STAFF DOES THEIR BEST TO ANSWER AN ABSOLUTE AVALANCHE OF QUESTIONS. WHETHER THIS SITE HAS ACCESS TO GANDY IS A LEGAL DETERMINE NATION THAT REQUIRED REVIEWING A 1975 SHOPPING CENTER DECK LARATION WHICH WAS DONE AND WHY THE ACCESS WAS DETERMINED. THIS MOTION TO BECAUSE HE SUGGESTEDED A PD, Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE NOTICE YOU HAVE YOU GET A LOT OF PDs, WE LIKE TO AVOID PDs WHEN WE CAN. INNOCUOUS 2024 E-MAIL SUGGESTING, LOOK LIKE THERE MIGHT NOT BE ACCESS. PD IS PROBABLY BEST. DOES NOT NEGATE THE LEGAL ACCESS THAT THIS LAND HAD SINCE 1959. WITH THAT, IF YOU CAN BRING UP THE POWERPOINT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE IT IS. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. WITH ANY LAND USE DECISION, WE WANT TO START WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WHAT YOU ALL HAVE INHERITED AND WHAT YOU ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW TO CHANGE. THIS LAND A UMU 60, SECOND HIGHEST MOST INTENSE LAND USE DESIGNATION OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN TAMPA. NEXT TO R-10. A LITTLE BIT OF R-50. UMU-60 IS CURRENTLY PRESENT IN THREE AREAS OF TAMPA: KENNEDY, GANDY AND ROCKY POINT. WHAT DO ALL THOSE HAVE IN COMMON? THEY ARE ALL ARTERIAL ROAD THAT END AT BRIDGES THAT GO TO PINELLAS COUNTY. THESE ARE ROADS OF REGIONAL SIGNIFICANCE. YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT YOU INHERITED DIRECTS GROWTH AND INTENSE DEVELOPMENT HERE. INTENSE IS RELATIVE SO LET'S USE NUMBERS. UP TO 50 TO 60 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. 2.5 F.A.R. BY RIGHT. UP TO A .325 WITH PERFORMANCE PRO-VISIONS. HIGH INTENSITY RESIDENTIAL USE. THAT IS WHAT THE LAND EXPECTS HERE. WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE EXPECTATION DOES AND THOSE WHO BOUGHT IN BAYSIDE WEST, WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD, HAD ON RECORD. BEEN IN UMU-64 FOR QUITE A LONG TIME AND WHY THERE ARE BIG BUILDS THERE. PULL PERMITS FOR 74,000-SQUARE-FEET OF DEVELOPMENT ON THE LAND BECAUSE SEVEN ACRES ON GANDY BOULEVARD. YOU CAN DO A BUNCH OF STUFF. WE TONIGHT LIST IT NOR TO YOU SCARE, BUT TO REMIND THERE ARE THINGS CHECK DO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK PERMISSION AND DOES NOT HAVE US BE HERE AT ALL. WHAT IS INSANE. NOT SKYSCRAPERS YOU HAVE ABOUT A PRETTY DENSE HOUSING PROJECT ON THE LEFT AND NORTH HYDE PARK. ENCORE BUILDING WHERE FOLKS RIDE OUT THE HURRICANES AT GTE. THE TGH FREE-STANDING EMERGENCY ROOM ON KENNEDY, THE OLD LOT. UMU-60. THAT IS WHAT UMU-60 LOOKS LIKE. PRIOR DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS TO SET THE TABLE. BACK IN 2021, 313 PARTS. 400 SURFACE STALLS. IS IT NOT ADVANCE. NEXT, LARGER BUILDING 257 APARTMENTS. 55 FEET OF MAXIMUM HEIGHT. THAT DID NOT ADVANCE. BEFORE I TALK ABOUT THIS, I WANT TO CAULK OF "COMPATIBILITY." A GREAT WORD. A HIGH-VOLUME WORD IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BAYSIDE REST, '50s, '60S-STYLE BUNGALOWS, THAT IS TRUE. MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS IN THE MIDDLE OF NEIGHBORHOOD. 400 UNITS DIVIDED PROPORTIONATELY BETWEEN THE TWO PROBLEMS SOME OF WHICH ABUT DIRECTLY SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOMES. AND WE ARE CERTAINLY AWARE OF THE PROJECTS YOU BRING BEFORE YOU. WE WATCH THE OTHER ONES TOO. THIS COUNCIL HAD ISSUES WHERE SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOME ABUT UP AGAINST MULTIFAMILY. SOMETIMES THE LAND USE ALLOWS YOU TO ASK FOR AND A SICK SIMILARITY. AFTER TWO "FOR MULTI FAMILY, PROPOSING THIS. I THINK IT WAS ACCIDENTAL AND MR. TRELLA'S PRESENTATION, HE WAS TRYING TO PUT PICTURES ON ONE SLIDE. GOT QUASHED IN. THAT IS A THREE-STORY BUILDING. IT HAS A ROOFTOP. THOSE IN TOWN HOUSES SHUFD HAVE A IRSPACE. GENERAL SENSE OF MASSING WE ARE THINKING OF PROPOSING. THREE-STORY BUILDINGS. THREE-STORY BUILDINGS. IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WH DENSITY SITS. YOU ARE AWARE OF THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. THIS SITE IS A AVAILABLE FOR THE LIVE LOCAL LIFE. 20150 PERMITS PER ACRE AND STRAIGHT TO THE PERMIT OFFICE. .25 F.A.R. TON OF DENSITY. YOU ARE PULLING PERMITS A 5.2 F.A.R. UM-06 ALLOWS TO YOU ASK FOR 60, 50 WITH A BONUS. 202144 AND A HALF UNITS PER ACRE. 37 I CAN'T HAVE. WE HAVE THAT 18.5. UMU 60. SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD PLAN. A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT 81 BAY. ACCESS ON OAK KELLER. YOU ALWAYS HAVE ACCESS ON GANDY. MOST OF THE SHOPPING CENTER LIKE WALTER'S CROSSING WHICH IS A TOUGH ONE. BELT WITH CONCRETE AND EVEN MORE LEGAL DOCUMENTATION. CROSS-ACCESS AND I WILL TALK IN A SECOND ABOUT THE DECLARATION. I DO WANT TO NOTE WE HAVE A 25-FOOT FRONT SETBACK AND WE HAVE SIDEWALKS TO THE NORTH SIDE. MR. TRELLA'S DIAGRAM WAS GREAT. A LOT OF RED. NEED FOR SIDEWALKS. A BIG GAP ON THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY. WE ARE PUTTING A SIDEWALK THERE. THAT IS ON THE SITE PLAN AS PART OF THE APPLICATION. GOT TO FILL THAT SIDEWALK GAP THAT EXISTS. I THINK WE KNOW TWO STANDARDS, A ACCESS, RM-24 COMPLIANCE. TALK OF ACCESS. ACCESS ROAD THAT EXISTS BY VIRTUE OF THE 1959 DECLARATION. LEGAL DETERMINATION THAT THE CITY HAS MADE. WE MADE IT. DON'T JUST TAKE OUR WORD FOR IT. FIRST AMERICA TITLE INSURANCE. READY AND FOLLOWING GIVE US AN INSURED EASEMENT TO GANDY BOULEVARD. FRONT AND IS NOT THE SAME THING AS DIRECT ACCESS. YOUR CODE IS REPLETE WITH FRONT AND. FRONTAGE, FRONTAGE, FRONTAGE. THIS SAYS DIRECT ACCESS. THAT IS WHAT DIRECT ACCESS LOOK LIKE. THIS SITE HAS DIRECT ACCESS TO GANDY BOULEVARD. PRECEDENT FOR THIS. FOR TUNA NEAR THE SAM'S CLUB BY THE HOME DEPOT OF DALE MABRY. THAT WAS APPROVED. MULTIFAMILY. DOESN'T FRONT DALE MABRY. A LEGAL ACCESS ROAD. IT HAS LEGAL ACCESS, DIRECT ACCESS TO AN ARTERIAL ROAD. SO DO WE. ALL RIGHT, SO -- THE SITE PLAN COMPLIES WITH THE REGULATIONS. THAT IS NOT SOME WILD ACHIEVEMENT. A BULK I DID VENTUALAL REGULATIONS AND TALK OF HEIGHT. 35 FEET OF HIGH IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR. THAT IS WHAT R S-1 50 HAS, THE LARGEST LOTS, THE MOST -- ANTI-DENSE -- THE LEAST DENSE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA TO DO 35 FEET OF HEIGHT. SO CAN MR. TRELLA OR ANY PERSON IN RED SITTING BEHIND ME CAN DO 35 FEET OF HEIGHT IN A SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR. THE SAME HEIGHT AS RS MACHINE 150. A GOOD DEAL. ALL RIGHT, THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT SLIDE OPINIONED AND GREAT BOOK OF JOHN McPHEE OF "THE SENSE OF WHERE YOU ARE" BY BILL BRADLEY AND IF YOU HAVEN'T READ IT. I THOUGHT OF THAT PHRASE A LOT AND WITH THIS APPLICATION, I IMPLORE YOU TO HAVE A SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. THIS IS NOT AT THAT BUILDING PERMIT ISSUANCE HEARING. NOT A SITE PLAN REVIEW HEARING. WE HAVE A USE PERMIT. MEANING STAFF REVIEWED OUR SITE PLAN AND SAID BASED ON THOSE TWO STANDARDS DIRECT ACCESS AND RM-24 COMPLIANCE, YOU SHOULD GO TO THE NEXT STEP. WHERE IS THAT? SITE PLAN REVIEW WE HAVE TO PRESENT AN ENTIRE NEW SITE PLAN TO GET TO THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS WHERE ZONING AND ALL OF THESE AGENCIES HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE SITE AGAIN. WHERE THIS WAS ISSUED. STAFF KNEW THAT YOU YOU NEED TO CHANGE STRAY TEXTURAL REFERENCE THAT WILL BE FIXED NOT BECAUSE WE ARE WALKING FROM THIS S-1 APPROVAL FROM ELIJAH TO THE BUILDING PERMIT OFFICE. NOT HOW THAT WORKS. I ASK YOU TO REMEMBER HOW THIS DOES WORK FOR THOSE PEOPLE IF YOU SPEND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO EVEN GET TO THIS POINT. BY THE TIME WE LEAVE HERE, WE ARE NOT WALKING IN THE PERMIT OFFICE. WE ARE WALKING -- NOT TO GET BUILDING PERMITS. WE ARE WALKING TO GET A SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND A BUILDING PROCESS COMMENCES AT WHICH TIME ZONING COMPLIANCE IS VERIFIED AGAIN WITH EVEN MORE DETAILED DRAWINGS TALK ABOUT TRIPS. IN THE BLUE IS BUILDING BACK THE 100,000 SQUARE FOOT OF RETAIL THAT IS THERE. HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THE CLOSED CAPTIONING, BUT THE GREEN IS WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. I WOULD SAY A MODERATE LIVE LOCAL ACT PROJECT. AND YELLOW IS THE TOWN HOMES. A FRACTION OF THE TRIPS AND OUR EXPERTS ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THIS FURTHER IF YOU WOULD LIKE. THE SAME -- SAME EFFECT HOLDS TRUE, ALSO, WHEN YOU LOOKED AT A.M. PEAK HOUR DISTINCTIONS. SO -- THIS IS A DIRT FIELD RIGHT NOW. THIS GENERATES ZERO TRIPS. IT IS 100% PERVIOUS. THERE IS NO ZERO IMPACT SCENARIO. SWIPE THAT WAY WAY. NO ZERO IMPACT SCENARIO AND THESE NEIGHBORS ARE CONCERNED OF STORMWATER AND TRAFFIC LIKE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR CONSTIUENTS IS. EVERYBODY IN COMPANY ARE WORRIED OF THOSE TWO THING. THERE IS GOING TO BE A DEVELOP HERE TO HAVE IMPACT UNQUESTIONABLY. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS HERE, SOMETHING WILL GO ON THAT SITE. WHAT IS THE MOST MINIMAL IMPACT DEVELOPMENT. UNQUESTION ME IT IS THIS. 18 AND A HALF UNITS AN ACRE ON A UMU-60 SITE. FRACTION -- P.M. 27 TRIPS VERSUS 186 TRIPS YOU GO DO THE RETAIL. IF YOU DO JUST THE 100,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL THAT IS ALREADY THERE. THERE IS NO QUESTION THIS IS THE MOST MINIMALLY INTENSIVE PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED FOR THIS SITE AND I IMPLORE COUNCIL TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE IT SO WE BELIEVE CONTINUE THE PROCESS OF DESIGNING IT IN A WAY THAT WORKS FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THINGS OVER TO BEN. IF YOU CAN BECAUSE THE TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HENDERSON WAS FIRST AND THEN HURTAK. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. HI, TYLER. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT THAT FOURTH STORY. IT APPEARS TO ME JUST BASED ON THE DESIGN, THERE IS A HIGH WALL THAT KIND OF COVERS -- IT IS NOT OPEN WHERE YOU CAN JUST SEE OUT INTO THE STREET. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT AREA IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT? APPEARS THERE IS A WALL, A BARRIER TO GIVE PRIVACY TO THAT PARTICULAR UNIT -- UNITS? >> THAT'S CORRECT. THE PRIVACY WORKS IN BOTH DIRECTIONS, RIGHT. ONE THING I WOULD NOTE IN CASE THIS COMES UP. SO THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS 35 FEET. STAIRS THAT GET YOU UP THERE. THE STAIRS ARE COVERED. SO THAT PORTION OF THE OVERAGE OF THE STAIRWAY COLUMN DOES BUNKER THROUGH 35 FEET AND THAT IS ALLOWED. BECAUSE UNDER Y'ALL'S CODE THE PROTRUSION ABOVE THE HEIGHT LIMIT IS LESS THAN 20% OF THE FOOTPRINT, EXCLUDED FROM HEIGHT. I WANTED TO RAISE THAT. AS FAR AS THE MIGHT OF THE WALLS, ASK BRIAN LeBLANC OF WEST HOMES FROM WEST BAY. IF YOU ARE STANDING ON THE ROOFTOP, HOW HIGH DOES IT COME. >> BRIAN LeBLANC, HOMES BY WEST BAY. A PARAPET WALT THAT ELEVATES HIGHER THAN THE FINISHED ROOF DECK. 3 FOOT 6 INCHES AND 4 FOOT 6 INCHES. IF YOU SEE THE MEASUREMENTS, FOR THE PRIVACY AND SAFETY OF PEOPLE USING THE ROOF DECK. THAT, TOO, DOES NOT COUNT AGAINST YOUR HEIGHT UNDER THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CLENDENIN AND HURTAK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR OUR STAFF BECAUSE I NEED CLARIFICATION OF WHAT WE ARE HERE TO DECIDE. WHAT IS BEFORE US AND THE TESTIMONY WHETHER THE SU-1 APPLICATION PROCESS THAT WAS APPROVED IS VALID, CORRECT? THESE SITE PLANS -- THEY HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH SITE PLAN APPROVAL. THEY CAN CHANGE DRAMATICALLY. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: UP APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S OKAY. GO GO. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FOR THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. CRITERIA IS ONLY ON SU-1. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONLY THING WE ARE HERE FOR TODAY. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CORRECT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NONE OF THIS STUFF -- PRETTY PICTURES ARE JUST PRETTY PICTURES IN THIS PROCESS KAGRIFFIN CANNING O. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: ONLY IF IT IS THE CRITERIA. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS QUESTION IS A LITTLE OUT OF BOUNDS BUT I WILL DO IT ANYWAY. >> LET'S DO IT. IT IS DE NOVO. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU HAD A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWED WHAT REALLY LOOKED LIKE ALL CONCRETE. PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED TREES AND GREEN SPACE. I KNOW WE ARE NOT THERE YET, BUT IT IS A CONCERN. SO I WOULD LIKE -- AGAIN, IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT JUST BRIEFLY, EVEN THOUGH THIS TECHNICALLY WON'T BE 100% WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. YEAH. THAT WILL BE GREAT. >> ABSOLUTELY. THESE S-1s ARE -- YOU KNOW ADVISED ME TO TALK ABOUT THIS BEFORE. BUT THE PROBLEM WITH PD THEY ARE SPECIFIC. BUT THE GOOD NEWS IT IS SPECIFIC. WE CAN SHOW YOU WHAT THE BARK LOOKS LIKE ON THE TREES. S-1 ARE THREADBARE AND MINIMAL. WE DON'T HAVE TO THOUGH THINGS WE DON'T HAVE TO. BUT UNDERSTANDABLY CURIOSITY FROM THE NEIGHBORS WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE. THIS A TEMPLATE -- I SHOULDN'T SAY A TEMPLATE BUT A SCHEMATIC OF WHAT THE GREEN SPACE WILL LOOK LIKE. A GIANT DIRT FIELD. TREES AROUND THE PERIMETER MOST OF WHICH CAN STAY. WE ARE PROPOSING TO EXCEED THE GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS BY OVER 20% ON A PER SQUARE FOOT BASIS. THAT IS PART OF THE SITE PLAN UP FOR YOU AFFIRMING OR DENYING TODAY. WE DIDN'T RENDER OR DEPICT IT IN THE SITE PLAN. ONE, BECAUSE IT IS NOT REQUIRED AND TWO, WE DIDN'T WANT TO GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES PREPARATION FOR THIS KNOWING THERE WAS CONCERN. WE PUT THIS TOGETHER. LITTLE DOG PARK AREA. THIS A RETENTION POND. THAT WILL BE EN CIRCLED IN GREENERY, I HOPE THIS HELPS A LITTLE BIT. MR. CHARLES IS 100% RIGHT. WE DECENT HAVE RENDERING WHAT THE ENTIRE LANDSCAPING PLAN LOOKS LIKE. WE WILL SHARE THAT IF WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT, AGAIN, WE ARE QUITE NOT THERE YET. >>LYNN HURTAK: OTHER THING RAISED THAT YOU HEARD FROM THIS COUNCIL MANY, MANY TIMES. IF THAT BUILDING IS 1 FEET WIDE, THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN PUT A 22-FOOT GARAGE IN THERE. BECAUSE THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR NOW. WE ARE EXPECTING TO SEE PRETTY -- GARAGES. >> PEOPLE HAVE BIG CARS. I CAN ANSWER THAT. CODE REQUIREMENTS IS 162 SQUARE FEET WHICH IS 18 X 9. THAT IS WHAT WE SAY WE ARE DOING AND OUR MINIMUM. BUT IN REALITY, EACH OF OUR SPACES WILL BE 19 FEET 10 INCHES BY 10 FEET. TWO OF THEM 19 FEET, 10 INCHES BY 20. TWO INCHES SHORT OF 206 X 20. BASED ON WEST BAY'S BUILDING HOME EXPERIENCE IS GOOD. THESE ARE NOT RENTALS. NO COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE VEHICLE -- LET ME REPHRASE THAT. NO CONSUMER MARKETED VEHICLE ON THE MARKET THAT EXCEEDS 20 FEET IN LENGTH. SOME OF THE CRAZY PICKUP TRUCK LIKE A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE THAT EXCEEDS 20 FEET, BUT NO QUESTION THAT VEHICLES WILL BE ABLE TO FIT IN HERE. IF PEOPLE THAT HAVE TWO SUBURBANS CHOOSE TO BUY IN, YOU KNOW, IT NIGHT BE TIGHT. BUT THAT GETS BEYOND THE POINT OF REGULATING THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT TO REGULATING HUMAN BEHAVIOR AND BECAUSE TRASH IS RELATED TO GARAGE WIDTHS, THERE ARE NO TRASH RECEPTACLES IN THESE GARAGES. SINGLE DUMPSTER POINT -- THE TRASH WILL HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE -- HE WILL STAY UNDER RECORD BECAUSE I AM UNDER OATH. A VALET TRASH SERVICE. THAT IS THE DUMPSTER. THAT IS WHERE TRASH GOES. YOU GOT TO WALK IT THERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I KNOW THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY TALKING LITERALLY NEXT WEEK OF THE 2024 AMENDMENT CYCLE WHERE WE WILL BE CHANGING GARAGE SIZE. BY THE TIME YOU GET THERE, IT MIGHT ALREADY BE CHANGED. >> UNDERSTOOD. >>LYNN HURTAK: MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER THAT FOR THE RECORD OF SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO BE EXPECTING GOING FORWARD. UNDERSTAND, YES, MA'AM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SIR, ARE YOU GOING TO FINISH THE PRESENTATION. >> YES, FLORIDA DALAPALI. >> HOUSEKEEPING, 1001 WATER STREET. I DON'T BELIEVE WE GOT THE EXTRA FIVE MEN ON THE TIME CLOCK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU HAD 20 MEN TOTAL. 20 MINUTES TOTAL ON THE TIMER. >> IF I HE COULD GET THE POWERPOINT PULLED UP, PLEASE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY. >> OKAY, GREAT. WE ARE HERE TODAY TO SIMPLY ASK FOR FUNDAMENTAL FAIRNESS. AS MR. HUDSON PRESENTED, THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THE APPLICATION AND HOW THEY WERE IN COMPLIANCE. I WANTED TO TALK OF THE IMPACTS OF THIS PROCESS AND THE APPLICATION TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. IF A PROPERTY OWNER FOLLOWS COMP PLAN AND THE RULES ADOPTED BY COUNCIL, ONLY FAIR THAT COUNCIL DO THE SAME AND THAT IS REALLY ALL I AM ASKING FOR TODAY. IT IS UNDESPITE BUTTED THAT THE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA WERE MET. IT IS UNDISPUTED THAT THE CITY STAFF FOUND THOSE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA WERE MET. AND THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR APPROVED THE SU-1 APPLICATION. THEREFORE, WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT THE SU-1 GET AFFIRMED AND YOU DENY THE PETITION FOR REVIEW. I WON'T GO THE SITE MAP AGAIN, BUT I WANT TO GET TO THE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA. AS MR. HUDSON HAD LAID OUT, THE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA ARE VERY CLEAR AND AMBIGUOUS. NOT A PD REZONING AS MISS FEELEY STATED. SPECIAL USE 1 APPLICATION FOR A PERMITTED USE. ONLY TWO CRITERIA THAT WE NEED TO MEET. AS LONG AS WE APPROVE IT BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR WHICH IT WAS, THE CITY COUNCIL'S POINT OF REVIEW IS ONLY LIMITED TO THESE THREE CRITERIA AND PRETTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SITE REVIEW, THE BUILDING PERMIT AND THE SITE PLAN TO GET RE-EVALUATED. SPECIAL USE ACTION WAS APPROVED BY CITY STAFF. IT WAS APPROVED IN DECEMBER 27, 2024. WE ARE NOW FIVE MONTHS SINCE THAT APPROVAL WITH STILL NO UNIT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY. CITY STAFF EVALUATED THE SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE AND DETERMINED THAT THE TWO SPECIAL USE CRITERIA UNDER 27-132 WERE MET. AND HERE IS THAT APPROVAL. THE STANDARDS OF -- I WON'T BELABOR THOSE AGAIN THAT WERE REPEATED. AND IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL SETTING SUCH AS THIS ONE, CITY COUNCIL'S DECISION MUST BE BASED ON SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE ON THE RECORD. I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THOUGH THAT BECAUSE THE NATURE OF 27-132 LAYS OUT VERY SPECIFIC OBJECTIVE MATERIAL. NO SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO DISPUTE COMPLIANCE WITH THE SU-1 APPROVAL STANDARDS. THAT IS THERE IS NO SUBJECTIVE DISCRETION AFFORDED CITY COUNCIL ON THIS KIND OF APPLICATION AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT CITY COUNCIL UNDERSTOOD THAT. MENTIONED THIS AT THE BEGINNING AND I AM REALLY JUST REFERRING THIS FOR THE RECORD BECAUSE THERE IS A DUE PROCESS DEFECT HERE IN THE SERVICE. THE -- ON DECEMBER 27, MR. TRELLA DID FILE THE PETITION FOR REVIEW. 27-61-E REQUIRES THE PETITIONER TO SERVE THE PETITION ON ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF FILING. HERE THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY TWO ENTITIES THAT YOU CAN SEE. THESE TWO ENTITIES HAVE VERY SPECIFIC FOLIOS. VERY SPECIFIC ADDRESSES. WILL TRELLA ONLY SERVED T THE GF ALT FINANCE INCIDENT. THAT I'M HERE TO PRESENT. AND THE OTHER OWNER IS RESERVING ITS RIGHTS. FAILURE TO TIMELY AND PROPERLY SERVE 4465 WEST GANDY RENDERING THE CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT JURISDICTION TECHNICALLY TO HEAR THIS PETITION FOR REVIEW AND TO ANSWER COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S QUESTION, IT WILL BE THE SUBJECT OF AN APPEAL SHOULD THIS APPROVAL NOT GET AFFIRMED TODAY. ADDITIONAL NOTICE FAILURES. I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM AS MR. HUDSON MENTIONED. LISTEN, WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES. I DON'T THINK ANY OF THESE WERE INTENTIONAL BUT SIGNIFICANT NOTICE FAILURES. OTHER ISSUE I WANT TO POINT OUT, IT HAS CAUSED DEFENSE LAY. ON APPROVAL OF THE SU-1 APPLICATION AND THE DELAYS ARE, IN FACT, COSTING MY CLIENT SIGNIFICANT DAMAGES. AND THOSE DAMAGE INCLUDE NOT JUST THE LOSS OF USE OF THE DOLLARS FROM THE SAIL, BUT CARRIED INTEREST COST AND OTHER COSTS THAT ARE OUTLINED HERE. INCREASED FINANCE COST. LOSS OF USE OF FUNDS. INCREASE CARRYING COSTS. I DIDN'T WANT -- I WANTED CITY COUNCIL TO BE AWARE OF THE IMPACTS. NOW IF THIS DOES NOT GET APPROVED, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE OWNER. AND KWHAT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE LIVE LOCAL APPLICATION THAT CURRENTLY HAS BEEN FILED DOES PROVIDE THE OWN WE ARE ANOTHER OPTION. AN OPTION WE CHOOSE FRANKLY. WE DON'T PREFER. WE WORATHER WITH THE APPLICATIO WITH THE PROPOSED DENSITY, LOWEST DENSITY OPTION THAT IS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE FOR THE OWNERS HERE. IF CITY COUNCIL OVERTURNS THE IN SU-1 APPROVAL, THEN THE OWNERS WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER THE LIVE LOCAL OPTION. UP WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, HOWEVER, THAT THE LIVE LOCAL APPLICATION WILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY GET WITHDRAWN AS SOON AS PERMITS FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS ARE RECEIVED. NOT THE PREFERRED APPROACH, BUT IT IS AN APPROACH THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IN THE EVENT T THE SU-1 APPROVAL HAS BEEN DENIED. IF, AGAIN, THE SU-1 APPROVAL IS OVERTURNED, I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT DAMAGES HERE. AS I MENTIONED DURING THE HOUSE KEEPING PORTION OF THIS CASE -- ORE THIS HEARING. THE LIBERTY CASE IS LINE. IS THE PRECEDENT. IF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT OR NOT, WE DO FIND IT AS THE LAW OF THIS SECTOR. SO WE HAVE TO USE THE ANALYSIS THAT JUDGE MOE OUTLINED. IN THE EVENT THE SU-1 APPROVAL IS DENIED, WE WOULD HAVE TO SEEK THE DAMAGES THAT JUDGE MOE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER OF UNAUTHORIZED USE OF QUASI-JUDICIAL AUTHORITY. WE HAVE A PROPOSED SALE AND THE DAMAGES CAN BE EXCESSIVE. WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN FILING A LAWSUIT. WE DON'T WANT TO GET THIS INTO A LEGAL ISSUE. WE WANT TO YOU VOTE AND CONFIRM THE SU-1 APPLICATION. THOSE ARE THE CONCLUSIONS WITH THAT AND I WILL RESERVE THE REMAINDER OF TIME. >> 1:08 AND FIVE MINUTES IN REBUTTAL OF WHICH TIME THE PRINCIPAL OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE OTHER PARTY HAS FIVE MINUTES PLUS THEIR REBUTTAL SO IT IS CLEAR. I AM KEEPING TRACK HERE. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS? COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR TRANSPORTATION. SO WE NOT HAVE ANYONE HERE FROM TRANSPORTATION? >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE FROM TRANSPORTATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. BHIDE IS HERE. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND WERE YOU SWORN IN. >>VIK BHIDE: I WAS NOT. >>LYNN HURTAK: RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. [SWEARING IN] >>VIK BHIDE: I DO. >>CLERK: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >>VIK BHIDE: VIK BHIDE, MOBILITY DEPARTMENT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION. ON THIS -- THE 'APPAPPROVAL LET IT SAYS WITH THE CONDITION, THE IT IS LEFT-AND RIGHT-OUT ONLY. WITH THE WAY PEOPLE DRIVE AROUND HERE, MEANING THAT SOMETIMES THOSE ARE SUGGESTIONS AND NOT RULES. WHAT DO YOU TO DO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN ONLY GO IN LEFT AND OUT RIGHT? WHAT KINDS OF -- LIKE, WHAT -- WHAT KINDS OF THINGS WOULD YOU TO DO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS THE ONLY WAY PEOPLE CAN MOVE WITHIN AND OUT -- JUST A QUESTION, BECAUSE IT IS IN THERE. AND I FORGOT TO HAVE ASK THIS EARLIER. >>VIK BHIDE: SURE, THERE ARE DESIGN OPTIONS TO ENSURE AND PREVENT MOVEMENT, ESPECIALLY THE RIGHT OUT IS THE ONE THAT YOU REALLY WANT. THIS IS FOR TRAFFIC CONSIDERATION. NOT UNCOMMON WHEN THEY DESIGN IS THE DRIVEWAY INTERSECRETARY OF THING WITH THE STREET. DRIVEWAY CAN BE ANGLED SUCH THAT IT NATURALLY HAS A MEDIAN SEPARATOR THAT PREVENTS A LEFT TURN AND THEN STILL MAKE THE RIGHT TURN. AND DESIGN CONSIDERATION CAN BE MADE ON THE APPROACH TO MAKE A LEFT IN. AND PREVENT A RIGHT N TO THE PROPERTY. I AM NOT VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION. AND THERE ARE DESIGN OPTIONS. THAT IS SOMETHING MY TEAM WILL BE LOOKING FOR. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. SO IT IS POSSIBLE TO PREVENT -- OKAY. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE. >> COUNCIL CHAIR, JUST FOR THE RECORD. I WILL GIVE A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT. KNOW A LOT OF SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS. PLEASE LINE UP TO THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM. SPEAKER WAIVER FORMS OR NOT, IT WILL START FROM THE PROCESS. SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE IT KICK IT OFF? >> SURE. >> WHO DO I THINK OF THIS ON THE BOARD. >>LYNN HURTAK: GOES TO MR. SHELBY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING THEY CAN TALK ABOUT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ARE THERE LIMITATION AS SOON AS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST TO BE SAFE. >> ARE WE READY? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT. >>LYNN HURTAK: MY QUESTION IS, THERE ARE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT PEOPLE CAN SPEAK TO -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: CAN WE HAVE SOME QUIET -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: KEEP IT QUIET IN THE CHAMBERS. WE CAN'T HEAR. YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: I ASKED MR. SHELBY, ONLY TWO THINGS WE CAN CONSIDER. IS THAT ALL WE CAN HEAR ABOUT OR HEAR ABOUT EVERYTHING DURING THIS? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR DECISION OF COMPREHENSIVE TENT SUBSTANTIAL APPEAR EVIDENCE. RELEVANT AND MATERIAL, THE DECISION YOU HAVE TO MAKE. NOW IF PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE THEIR TIME SPEAKING ABOUT -- I CANNOT -- I MEAN IF THE CHAIR AND THE COUNCIL WISH THEM AFTER THE PRESENTATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE TO ADDRESS THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE RELEVANT AND MATERIAL TO COUNCIL'S DECISION, YOU CAN ASK IT TO BE LIMITED TO THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL ASK THE CHAIR TO DIRECT THE PUBLIC -- IN THE INTEREST OF IT THEIR TIME AND EFFICIENCY KNOWING WHAT WE HAVE TO HEAR. ONLY THINGS WE CAN CONSIDER, IF THE CHAIR WILL DIRECT THE PUBLIC TO LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS ON THE COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SU-1. [ INAUDIBLE ] >>MARTIN SHELBY: MICROPHONE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THERE ARE A COMPLEX ISSUE. HE, I OR YOU MAY NOT UNDERSTAND IT. MAYBE MR. SHELBY CAN COME. LET HIM JOIN IN. THE CHAIRMAN NEEDS A LITTLE GUIDANCE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY, SIR -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN. I HAVE THE SPEAKER WAIVER FARM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU? >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DO. MR. GISBERG WILL BE SPEAKING. FOUR NAMES. ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR PRESENTATION SO HE CAN SEE YOU AND HEAR YOU. WANDA JOHNSON, ARE YOU PRESENT? WANDA -- >> SHE LEFT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: REMINDER TO THOSE PEOPLE WITH SPEAKER WAIVER IS FORMS AND THOSE PEOPLE PRESENT. TWO THINGS, NUMBER ONE, YOU HAVE TO BE PRESENT WHEN THE SPEAKER GETS UP SO I CAN ACT KNOWLEDGE YOUR PRESENCE. AND BY DOING SO, WAIVE YOUR THREE MINUTES TO GIVE THE SPEAKER AN ADDITIONAL MINUTE. THE OTHER THING IS, YOU CAN ONLY APPEAR ONCE ON ONE SPEAKER WAIVER FORM. YOU CAN NOT REPEATEDLY WAIVE YOUR TIME FOR OTHER SPEAKERS. MICHELLE MEYER -- MINOR. >> MILLER, SHE HAD TO LEAVE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: EDWARD JOHNSON AND A STEELE IS HERE. TWO ADDITIONAL MINUTES FOR FIVE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCILMEMBERS. MY NAME IS LARRY GISPERT. 4 4707 WEST CORTEZ AND WE RESIDE THERE FOR THE PAST 35 YEARS. I AM COMPELLED TO TELL THAT YOU I RETIRED FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY GOVERNMENT IN 2011 AFTER 31 YEARS OF SERVICE. THE LAST 17 YEARS, I WAS THE DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. FOR THOSE OF HOW ARE LIVING IN A COMMUNITY BACK THEN, YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER MY UGLY FACE ON TV TELLING YOU TO GET THE HELL OUT OF TAMPA, THE HURRICANE IS COMING. OKAY. DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT ANYMORE. I HAVE TO EVACUATE MYSELF. I HAVE WANT TO SPEAK VERY BRIEFLY -- I DON'T NEED THE EXTRA TIME THAT THEY SUCCEEDED TO ME. I AM GOING TO HIT HIGH POINTS. NOT GOING TO TALK OF THE TECHNICAL PLANNING AND BUILDING AND SITE AND ALL YOU HAVE THAT STUFF. THEY HAVE OTHER PEOPLE WHO WILL DO THAT. TALK TO YOU OF THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. I HOPE YOU KNOW THAT TERM. IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY/TAMPA, COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA IS DEFINED AS EVACUATION ZONE A. OKAY. OUR WHOLE COMMUNITY AND THE PROPERTY THAT IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED IS IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THE CITY OF TAMPA'S CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPEAKS TO ABOUT DISCOURAGING THE ESPECIALLY CREASE OF POPULATION IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU, 127 NEW CONDO UNITS WITH AT LEAST TWO PEOPLE IN EACH UNIT IS SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN POPULATION INSTANCE TEN TEE IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD. WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO THAT OR NOT, THAT IS YOUR CHOICE. TELLING YOU SOMETHING LIVING IN SOUTH TAMPA, IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO WESTSHORE BOULEVARD TO PORT TAMPA BY BAY. YOU SEE NOTHING BUT THREE OR FOUR STORY APARTMENTS. WORKING IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT I USED TO LOSE SLEEP AND NEVER GET THEM OUT OF DODGE IF I COULD GET THEM TO GO, I COULDN'T GET THEM THERE BECAUSE THE ROADWAY NETWORK COULDN'T SUPPORT IT. YOU NEED TO CONSIDER PUTTING 127 LIVING UNITS WITH 200-PLUS PEOPLE INTO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. DO IT AS YOU MAY. LOCAL FLOODING. DO ANY OF YOU LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA? OKAY. WELL, YOU KNOW IF YOU ARE A RESIDENT OF SOUTH TAMPA, YOU HAVE TWO MODES OF TRANSPORTATION, CALLED A DRY MODE AND A WET MODE. IF THE SUN IS SHINING, YOU GO TO WORK OR TO PLAY, ONE ROUTE. IF IT IS RAINING, YOU BETTER GO ANOTHER ROUTE, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET THERE WITH A DRY ROUTE. WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT LOCAL FLOODING ISSUES DOWN THERE. OKAY. IT IS OUR FAULT. MOST OF OUR PROPERTY IS SEVEN OR EIGHT FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL. IF TWO INCHES OF RAIN IN THE SUMMERTIME OCCURRED HIGH TIDE. GUESS WHAT, GANDY AND MANHATTAN BECOMES UNDER WATER AND TRAFFIC STOPS UNTIL THE TIDE GOES DOWN AND THE WATER GOES. THERE IS NOTHING YOUR STORMWATER DEPARTMENT CAN TO DO MAKE THAT GO AWAY. YOUR DIRECTOR -- WE ARE DOING THIS AND THERE AIN'T NOTHING YOU CAN DO. HIGH TIDE, TWO INCHES OF RAIN, WE HAVE FLOODING. WILDFIRE THAT MY GOOD FRIEND JEFF TOMALO A GOOD FRIEND IS OUT OF TOWN. HE TOOK PRETTY GOOD PICTURES AT HAD IS HOUSE -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE OTHER WAY. TURN IT OVER. >> THIS IS SIDEWAYS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FACE UP SO WE CAN SEE IT. >> I AM SORRY. I AM USED TO THE OLD ONE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE YOU GO. >> THIS IS JUST WEST OF THE POST OFFICE ON OAK KELLER. THIS 1 A.M., HURRICANE HELENE COMING IN WITH THE HIGH TIDE TO OCCUR ABOUT 2 A.M. THE FRONT OF HIS HOUSE IS COMPLETELY FLOODED. THE REASON -- I WOKE UP AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING TO GO OUT AND GAS MY GENERATOR BECAUSE WE LOSE POWER WHEN A BIRD FARTS. IT'S TRUE, OKAY. SO I HAVE A GENERATOR. I HAVE A GENERATOR RUNNING THE WHOLE TIME TOURING HURRICANE HELENE. I HAD TO GO OUT AND GAS IT. I TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT TIME GETTING MY FAMILY CAR. CORTEZ IS ONE STREET WEST OF MANHATTAN. OKAY. AND I WENT AND DROVE DOWN AND THE WATER WAS AT COOPER, TWO STREETS AWAY. I WILL DO THESE REAL QUICK. I THINK I GOT -- AS YOU CAN SEE, IT WAS A POND. AND BY THE WAY, THIS WAS NOT THE WORST CASE FLOODING THAT COULD HAPPEN. WE HAD SEVEN FEET OF STORM TIDE. A NUMBER OF OUR MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY HAVE NOT MOVED BACK INTO THEIR HOUSE. I AM GOING TO TELL YOU ONE THING -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, THE TIME IS UP, SIR. >> THIS GANDY ACCESS. GUESS WHAT -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOUR TIME IS UP. >> THEY CAN ONLY TURN RIGHT. THEY EXPECT TURN LEFT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOUR TIME IS UP. >> OKAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. DO OFF SPEAKER WAIVER FORM? GIVE IT TO THE ATTORNEY AND HE WILL CALL OUT THE NAMES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SYDNEY PASQUA SR. THANK YOU. PATRICIA LANGEL. THANK YOU. AND BILL LANGEL. THREE MINUTES PLUS ANOTHER THREE MAKES SIX. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> MAGGIE TRELLA. HELLO AND GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS LOCATION IS ALREADY SO FRAGILE. AS THE ATTORNEY SPOKE EARLIER TODAY, THERE IS NO SITUATION WHERE THIS IS A ZERO IMPACT. AND SO EVEN IF THIS WAS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, I FEEL LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD STILL BE HERE SAYING, PLEASE ■HELP US. AS HE JUST SAID, WE ARE IN A COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA WITH MASSIVE ISSUES WITH STORMWATER. YOU SAW THE FLOODING AND IT WAS DEVASTATING TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS PROJECT HAS AS 77.6% IMPERMEABLE SERVICE. UNDOUBTEDLY HAVE IMPACT WITH NEW RESIDENTS THAT WILL BE POTENTIALLY BE LIVING IN THESE TOWN HOMES. WE ARE NOT THE CITY WE WERE IN 2021 OR EVEN 2022. WITH THE CLIMATE CHANGE AND THE MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT. FLORIDA HAS BUILT MORE NEW PROPERTIES IN HIGH RISK FLOOD AREAS THAN ANY OTHER STATE REPORTED IN 2019. AND WE JUST CONTINUE TO HAVE RELENTLESS DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS PROVEN TO CAUSE INCREDIBLE FLOODING AND DAMAGE TO RESIDENTS ALREADY. THERE IS A MASSIVE LACK OF PARKING WHICH WILL UNDOUBTEDLY CAUSE SAFETY ISSUES AS CAR ALSO P PILL. WE ALL KNOW TAMPA DRIVERS REALLY CAN'T BE TRUSTED HERE. HERE IS THE DEVELOPMENT. IF EVEN THERE WAS A RIGHT ACCESS TURN HERE, WE KNOW THEY WILL BE UTILIZING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THESE RED LINES HERE MARK NO SIDEWALKS. THE ONLY SIDEWALKS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD -- HERE IS A LARGER SCALE -- ARE THE GREEN. THOSE ARE THE ONLY SIDEWALKS. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS OVER A 50% RESIDENCE UNDER THE AGE OF 35. THIS IS A LARGELY FAMILY DRIVEN NEIGHBORHOOD WITH CHILDREN WHO PLAY IN THE STREETS WHOSE PEOPLE WHO WALK THEIR DOGS, RUN, RIDE THEIR BICYCLES. THE AMOUNT THAT COMES THROUGH HERE WITH THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, IT WILL CAUSE NUMEROUS SAFETY ISSUES. ONE OF THE BEST NEIGHBORHOODS I BELIEVE IN SOUTH TAMPA. AND I WOULD SAY ALSO ONE OF THE BEST FOR TRICK OR TREATING WHICH MAY SEEM SILLY TO SAY, BUT IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS PEOPLE WALK AROUND AND FEEL SAFE WITH THEIR CHILDREN. SOMETHING LIKE THIS WILL ERASE ALL OF THAT. AND NOT AS IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH, YOU SEE THE OUTTURN AND THE EFFORT THAT ALL THESE PEOPLE THURSDAY AT 1:30 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AFTERNOON HAVING TAKEN OFF WORK. OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS HAVE IGNORED THEIR TIME TO MEET, TIME AND TIME AGAIN. THEY HAVE NOT LISTENED. THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR MUCH. WE ARE ASKING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO HAVE A SAY IN THE IMPACTS THESE DEVELOPMENTS WILL CAUSE. SITE PLAN HAS NUMEROUS INCONSISTENCIES. AND ONE THING THAT MAYBE WE HOPE FOR AT THE OUTCOME OF THIS IS THAT MAYBE THE DEVELOPER AND THE LANDOWNER WILL LISTEN AND WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY WILL LISTEN TO SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE ACCESS, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING, THE PRIVACY AND THE SAFETY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SIMPLE STATISTICS THAT TAMPA IS RANKED EIGHTH IN THE U.S. CITIES FOR PEDESTRIAN DEATHS. EIGHTH. NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF. THIRD DEADLIEST FOR BICYCLISTS. AND BAYSIDE WEST ALWAYS HAD A DEFICIENT SIDEWALKS AND 50% OF THE RESIDENTS ARE YOUNG APPEAR YOUNG FAMILIES ARE WALKING, RIDING BIKES AND ROLLERBLADING OUT IN THE STREETS. ALL I'M HERE TO SAY TO YOU TODAY TO CONSIDER THE AIM PACT ON THE CITY TODAY AND TOMORROW. NOT WHAT WE WERE TWO YEARS AGO. I UNDERSTAND CITY CODES AROUND LAWS IN PLACE AND WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE FUTURE OF YOU ARE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE FUTURE OF OUR RESIDENTS AND THE FUTURE OF TAMPA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR. COME ON UP. DO YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM AS WELL. >> WHAT'S THAT? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM. >> I AM STEVE HUGHES. A LOCAL AND BORN RESIDENT LIVED IN THE CITY OF TAMPA MY ENTIRE LIFE. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTH TAMPA AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BLIFLT BUSINESSES AND EMPLOYED OVER THOUSANDS PEOPLE OVER MY 42 YEARS IN BUSINESS, KNOWING FIRST HAND HOW HARD IT HAS BECOME FOR YOUNG PROFESSIONALS TO FIND A FOOTHOLD HERE. AND WE ARE ATTRACTING GOOD TALENT ENGINEERS TEACHERS NURSES, SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS ABOUT YOU NOT GIVING THEM A PLACE TO LIVE WHERE ENTRY LEVEL HOUSING IS NEARLY NONEXISTENT IN SOUTH TAMPA. WITHOUT IT, WE RISK LOSING THE VERY PEOPLE WHO WILL BE SHAPING THE CITY OF TAMPA'S FUTURE. AND THE TOWN HOME PROJECT IS NOT ABOUT OVERDEVELOPMENT, IT IS ABOUT OPPORTUNITY. IT IS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT THE NEXT GENERATION HAS A CHOICE BETWEEN THEIR CAREER AND THEIR COMMUNITY. LET'S BE A CITY THAT WELCOMES GROWTH THOUGHTFULLY AND RESPONSIBLY. AS FAR AS THE PRIVACY ISSUE WITH LANDSCAPING, YOU CAN EASILY BUFFER AND PROVIDE PRIVACY FOR THE FIVE OR SIX HOUSES TO THE SOUTH. TO THE WEST, THERE IS A GIANT RETENTION BOND. TO THE EAST, THERE IS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THERE. SO THE -- THE ONLY PUTTING IN 140 OR 142 UNITS COMPARED TO THE DENSITY 120 THAT IS ALLOW IS RESPONSIBLE PLANNING IN MY OPINION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YOU ARE WELCOME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SAY YOUR NAME. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COURTNEY LOPEZ, I AM 28 YEARS OLD AND I LIVE HERE IN TAMPA. I'M HERE TO URGE YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED SINGLE-FAMILY AFFORDABLE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT. I WANT TO PLANT MY ROOTS IN THE CITY I WORK, SPEND AND CONTRIBUTE, I CAN TELL YOU FIRST HAND THAT RENTING A SUN SUSTAINABLE AND BUYING A TRADITIONAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOME HAS BECOME NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE. RIGHT NOW THE AVERAGE HOME PRICE IN TAMPA HAS SKYROCKETED BEYOND WHAT MANY OF US YOUNG PROFESSION ALLEGES, TEACHERS, NURSES AND SERVICE WORKERS CAN REASONABLY PERFORM. TOWN HOMES A SMART SOLUTION, LOWER COST OF ENTRY, LOWER MAINTENANCE AND LON-TERM STABILITY WITHOUT PUSHING THEM OUT TO PASCO AND POLK COUNTIES. THIS DEVELOPMENT GIVES PEOPLE LIKE ME A CHANCE TO STAY IN A COMMUNITY I GREW UP IN AND LOVED L PLEASE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT NOT JUST FOR AFFORDABLE BUT EQUITY, OPPORTUNITY AND GROWTH THAT INCLUDES EVERYONE. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY WERE. YES, SIR, COME ON UP. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> RANDY THOMAS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LAST OF THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS OR MORE PEOPLE STANDING UP. I WAS GOING TO SAY. SORRY. >> THAT'S OKAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD. >> RANDY THOMAS. I'M HERE TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT ON GANDY BOULEVARD. AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, OUR CITY IS FACING A SERIOUS HOUSING SHORTAGE WHEN IT COMES TO OPTIONS THAT ARE BOTH AFFORDABLE AND ACCESSIBLE FOR NEW FAMILIES. YOUNG COUPLES, TEACHERS, HEALTH CARE WORKERS WHO WANT TO LIVE WHERE THEY WORK ARE BEING PRICED OUT BECAUSE THE SUPPLIES ARE NOT THERE TOWN HOME WITH A PRACTICAL SOLUTION. MORE AFFORDABLE THAN SINGLE-FAMILY, USE LAND EFFICIENCY AND ALLOW FAMILIES TO PUT DOWN ROOTS IN OUR COMMUNITY. WITHOUT DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THIS, OUR CITY WILL BE A PLACE THAT ONLY WEALTHY CAN AFFORD TO LIVE. THIS DEVELOPMENT IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YE YES, SIR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> I AM MATT MITCHELL. I HEAD UP A COMPANY BRICADIA WHERE WE EMPLOY SEVERAL YOUNG PROFESSIONALS. HE HEAR OFTEN IN OUR OFFICE HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO FIND HOUSING IN SOUTH TAMPA. YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS, IF YOU LOOK AT ZILLOW, THERE ARE EXACTLY ZERO HOMES UNDER $1 MILLION. SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES BETWEEN KENNEDY AND GANDY. SO I -- I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. I DO THINK THAT IT WILL HELP PROVIDE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR EMPLOYEES LIKE OURS. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR. YES, SIR. NEXT SPEAKER. >> SELLING MY HOUSE FOR $507,000. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COME ON BACK UP. >> FOR THE RECORD, ZERO HOMES BUILT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS THAT ARE UNDER $1 MILLION. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCILMEMBERS. DANIEL LEWIS. A 24-YEAR-OLD YOUNG PROFESSIONAL THAT MOVED TO TAMPA UPON GARAGE WAITING FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. GO GATORS. AND I AM -- I AM A YOUNG AMERICAN WHO DREAMS SO SOME DAY OWN A HOME IN THIS COMMUNITY. THAT DREAM SEEMS INCREASINGLY OUT OF REACH. SOMEONE WROTE AMERICAN DREAM IS NOT ABOUT OWNING A HOME BUT OWNING A PIECE OF YOUR FUTURE, BUILDING WEALTH AND PROVIDING SECURITY FOR YOUR FAMILY. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD WEALTH AND SECURITY FOR MY FUTURE FAMILY ONE DAY. BUT AS THAT DREAM BECOMES MORE UNTENABLE, SIMPLE FIX THAT I LEARNED ON THE FIRST DAY OF ECONOMICS, INCREASE SUPPLY AND YOU MAKE THE OPPORTUNITIES MORE AFFORDABLE. AS THOSE DESPERATE TO DREAM THE AMERICAN DREAM, THAT WAS AN AMERICAN REALITY FOR YOU ALL. ALL I ASK FOR TO YOU JUST GIVE US THAT SAME CHANCE TO DREAM. WHEN MY GRANDPARENTS WERE BORN IN 1940 OR SO, MOST OF LAND WAS BARREN IN THIS GREAT DEVELOPING NATION. 1 2 MILLION AMERICANS AT THE TIME. AMERICANS CAN TANGIBLY REACH OUT, GRASP AND BUILD THEIR OWN AMERICAN DREAM. TODAY THEY ARE 332 MILLION PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY. FORTUNATELY AND UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS MUCH MORE DEMAND FOR HOMES ACROSS THE BOARD. THERE IS ANOTHER STARK CONTRAST BETWEEN TODAY AND BACK THEN. MASSIVE INVESTOR GROUPS BUYING LAND ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. WE ARE DEALING WITH LOW SUPPLY, RISING PRICES, AND HIGHER INTEREST RATES. COUPLE THAT WITH LIMITED NEW CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE OF STRICT ZONING LAWS, HIGH CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND CITY COUNCIL DECIDING FOR PEOPLE TO AFFORD A HOME TO RAISE A FAMILY. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS JUST THAT, A DREAM. I IMPLORE YOU MYSELF AND PERS ARE NOT ABLE TO PURSUE THIS DREAM. THERE IS CONCERN IT COULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY. I RESPECT THE CHARM AND OF THIS TOWN WHICH IS I DIDN'T WANT TO LIVE HERE. THIS PLAN BRINGS DIVERSE HOUSING OPTIONS TO ALLOW PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO ARE NOT MILLIONAIRES IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS IN THEIR HOMES TO HAVE A SHOT OF BELONGING THERE. NOT ABOUT ERASE HISTORY. THIS WILL NOT FIX ALL OF THOSE PROBLEMS OFFERS US A CHANCE TO BUILD A HOME AND PLANT EQUITY AND ROOTS IN A PLACE WE LOVE. DENYING DOES NOT PRESERVE A VISION OF THIS TOWN BUT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR OTHERS TO JOIN IN THE GREAT TRADITION. COUNCI COUNCILMEMBERS, VOTE YES ON THIS PLAN. NOT ABOUT HOUSES BUT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A FAIR SHOT FOR THE POPULATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COME UP. LAST SPEAKER WILL BE STEPHANIE POYNOR. >> PAUL HOUSEMAN. A HEALTH CARE ENTREPRENEUR LIVING AND WORKING HERE IN TAMPA. I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT ON GANDY BOULEVARD. SOMEONE THAT RUN AS GROWING HEALTH CARE BUSINESS, I KNOW FIRST HAND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS FOR OUR WORK FORCE TO HAVE RELIABLE, HOUSING OPTION. THIS LOCATION IS WHY IDEAL FOR COMMUTERS. CONNECTS TO DOWNTOWN, WEST SHORE AND BRANDON WHICH ALL ARE MAJOR EMPLOYMENT HUBS .THAT KIND OF ACCESSIBLE FOR WORK PROFESSIONALS HEALTH CARE STAFF. PROVIDE MUCH-NEEDED ENTRY LEVEL HOUSING CLOSE TO JOBS, TRANSIT AND CLOSE TO OPPORTUNITY AND HELPS ADDRESS TAMPA'S HOUSING SHORT AND IN AT THAT SMART STRATEGIC WAY. I URGE TO YOU SUPPORT THIS PROJECT WILL AND DEEP TAMPA MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. LUM, ARE YOU PART OF THE PROPERTY OWNER PROJECT, ANYTHING? >> I WAS JUST TRYING TO COMMENT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BUT YOU HAVE A FINANCIAL STAKE. YOU PART OF THE TYLER HUDSON GROUP. >> THAT'S FINE. MR. SHELBY? >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THAT -- MR. HUDSON OR MR. DALAPALLI SUGGEST THAT MR. LUM WOULD SPEAK DURING YOUR REBUTTALS? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF IT IS MR. LUM. >> BEN DALCHIPALLI, BRADLEY LAW FIRM. MR. LUM IS NOT A PROPERTY OWNER AND NOT ONE OF MY CLIENTS. BUT MR. GREASE WILL BE USING SOME REBUTTAL TIME TO MAKE A STATEMENT WHICH IS ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS I'M HERE TO REPRESENT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU CAN JUST GIVE ME A MINUTE? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SURE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT BEING THE CASE AND THAT REPRESENTATION. IT WAS NOT ANTICIPATED THAT MR. LUM WOULD SPEAK. AND HE SAID -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND -- I AM NOT CLEAR WHAT MR. LUM'S POSITION IS, BUT LET ME STATE THAT ONE OF THE QUASI-JUDICIAL RULES THAT STATE ALL PERSON WHO PROVIDE TESTIMONY AND INFORMATION AND OPINION RASHEDING A PETITION OF QUASI-JUDICIAL BEFORE CITY COUNCIL MUST DISCLOSE ANY DIRECT OR INDIRECT BUSINESS AND PERSONAL INTEREST OF THE PETITIONER AND APPLICANT THAT IS REQUESTING ACTION. INFORMATION SHALL NOT BE USED TO DENY THE PETITION OF THE MAT ABOUT YOU GOES TO THE WEIGHT OF EVIDENCE, INFORMATION AND OPINION PROVIDED. AND I SHOULD SAY THAT HE -- HE -- I DON'T THINK -- HE IS NOT PART OF MR. TRELLA'S PRESENTATION WHO IS THE ONE THAT IS BRINGING THIS REVIEW HEARING REQUEST. SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE KNOWING MR. LUM TO ALLOW HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THIS. >> TYLER HUDSON, 400 NORTH ASHLEY DRIVE. IN PURSUANT TO RULE 6-G, MR. LUM CAN SPEAK. HE HAS TO DISCLOSE IF HE HAS A FINANCIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH ANY OF THE ENTITIES. IF HE DOES I WOULD LIKE FOR HIM -- UNQUESTIONABLY HE IS ALLOWED TO SPEAK AND I URGE YOU TO ALLOW HIM TO DO SO WITH THE REQUISITE DISCLAIMER AND YOUR RULES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CARROLL ANN BENNETT. DO YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM? >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WANT -- >> I WILL DO IT. >> FOR SOME REASON, THIS IS BLURRY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S GET IF IN FOCUS. A WHEEL ON THE TOP. >> I TRIED THAT AND IT DIDN'T HELP. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SEE IF THE TV FOLKS. >> I DID IT. IT IS NOT HELPING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LOOKS LIKE IT IS STUCK. >> MAKING IT BLURRY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE WE GO. DOES CARROLL ANN BENNETT HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SHE DOES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: RIGHT THERE WITH THE BLUE. [OFF MIC] >>MARTIN SHELBY: SIX NAMES WITH NINE MINUTES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> HI, MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT. THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD HAVE HAD NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORT. IF THE DEVELOP WILL MAKE A FEW CHANGES, THE COMMUNITY WILL SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. I KNOW THIS, BECAUSE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS HAD THREE OTHER MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS THAT THEY SUPPORTED. THOSE OTHER DEVELOPERS GOT COMMUNITY SUPPORT BECAUSE THEY LISTENED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BUILD HIGH QUALITY PROBLEMS. YOU KNOW THIS IS A POORLY DESIGNED PROBABLY BECAUSE FOUR DEPARTMENTS FOUND IT INCONSISTENT. STORM WATER AND RIGHT-OF-WAY SAID THE RETENTION POND IS IN THE WRONG PLACE. OVER A PUBLIC WATER EASEMENT AND A TECO EASEMENT. BIG RED FLAGS THEY ARE TRYING TO CRAM TOO MUCH ON THIS SITE. REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY SAY, ON THE SITE PLAN, THESE GARAGES ARE ONLY 18 X 18, A TWO-CAR GARAGE ONLY IN MAKE-BELIEVE WORD. TO MAKE THESE GARAGES TRUE, THEY WILL TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF UNITS. THAT IS WHAT THEY SHOULD IT DO. IN THE REAL WORLD WHERE PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIVE THESE ARE ONE-CAR GARAGES. MYTHICAL TWO-CAR GARAGES TO MEET THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENT. THEY SAY THEY HAVE 254 GARAGE PACES BUT IN THE REAL WORLD 127 BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL ONE-CAR GARAGES. THEY DO NOT MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. ALL THE FUTURE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE TRICKED HOW MAD WHEN THEY FIND OUT THEY ARE BEING SOLD FAKE GAR RAGES. WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PARK? THEY PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS BUT A THEY ARE FAIRFAX TOO. CITY COUNCIL CAN ONLY FIT THE FRONT HALF OF YOUR CARS IN THESE DRIVEWAYS. THE BACK HALF WOULD BE IN THE STREET. THEY ARE GOING TO PARK HERE ALL ALONG OAK ELLER AND COR CORTEZ, HERSPIRDIES AND GAINS. IF THE ACCESS TO OAK ELLER WAS REMOVED, IT WOULD RESOLVE A MAJOR PROBLEM AND JENKS? IS THIS WHAT TAMPA WANTS? NO REASON THEY CAN'T BUILD A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT THAT EVERYBODY WILL BE PROUD OF. THEY SEAT THIS MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. BUT THE ENVIRONMENT FOR DIRECT ACCESS. THEY DO NOT HAVE DIRECT ACCESS. THE E-MAIL TO THE APPLICANT SAID IT DOES NOT HAVE A DIRECT ACCESS. THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT SAYS IT IS DOES NOT HAVE DIRECT AC ACCESS TRANSPORTATION SAYS THEY ONLY HAVE CROSS-ACCESS. TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT FINDS IT INCONSISTENT BECAUSE THEY ARE PROVIDING CROSS-ACCESS INSTEAD OF DIRECT ACCESS. DOES THE CODE SAY BOTH ARE OKAY? NO, IT DOES NOT. IT SPECIFIES DIRECT ACCESS. IT IS VERY CONCERNING TO ME THIS WAS APPROVED WHEN IT OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF 27-1372. BECAUSE IT IS ONLY CROSS-ACCESS, THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT REQUIRED A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. THAT HAS NOT WITHIN DONE A TRIP GENERATION IS NOT A TRAFFIC ANAVAL SIS AND THEY REQUIRE AN ENGINEERED SITE PLAN SHOWING THE CROSS-ACCESS, SHARED DRIVE AISLE AND THE APRON TO GANDY. DOES IT LOOK LIKE THIS LITTLE YELLOW LINE SATISFIES THAT REQUIREMENTS? I DON'T SEE AN ENGINEERED SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS AN APRON TO GANDY. BECAUSE THIS HAS NOT BEEN DONE ACCORDING TO THE TRANSPORTATION REQUIREMENT, IT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SPECIAL USE AND WHY THEY FOUND INCONSISTENT. THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT'S INCONSISTENT MEANS IT DOES NOT MEET OF THE ENVIRONMENTS FOR SPECIAL USE. IN ADDITION 27-282.10, MULTIFAMILY TOWN HOUSE STYLE DESIGN STANDARD INSTEAD OF 282.8. THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR USED THE WRONG STANDARD WHEN THEY EVALUATED THIS. THAT IS BECAUSE POINT 8 CAN BE APPLIED IF SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED ON THE STREET RIGHT NEXT TO IT AND ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT. THIS PROBABLY HAS 2350ER9 -- HAS NEITHER. THE APPLICANT KNOW IT IS MUST COMPLY BECAUSE RIGHT THERE ON THEIR SITE PLAN BUT THEN THEY HAVE THE WRONG TITLE THAT GOES WITH THAT SECTION OF THE CODE. AND IT DOES NOT MEET THOSE STANDARDS. MULTIFAMILY TOWN HOUSE STYLE REQUIRES BOTH THE SIDE AND THE BACK WALL TO BE ATTACHED. IN DOES NOT MEET THAT REQUIRED STANDARD. IT ALSO REQUIRES THAT NONE OF THE UNITS CAN FACE THE SIDE LOT LINES. ALL THESE UNITS FACE THE SIDE LOT LINES. IT REQUIRES THE UNITS TO FACE A COURTYARD OR STREET. ALL OF THESE UNITS, NONE OF THEM MEET THAT REQUIREMENT. AND ITS NOT JUST.10 THAT HAS THE REQUIREMENTS. ALL TOWN HOUSE STYLES DO. THIS PROJECT DOES NOT MEET ANY OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF SU-1. HOW DID THIS GET APPROVED? PEOPLE IN LOTS OF NEIGHBORHOODS ARE REQUESTING APPROVALS LIKE SAYING THAT SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND WEST TAMPA OVERLAYS ARE GETTING IGNORED. POINT OUT MISTAKES AND SAY OOPS, SORRY. CODE IS NOT FOLLOWED AND BUILDERS ARE ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS INSTEAD OF PERMISSION AFTER APPLYING AFTER THE BUILDINGS ARE ALREADY BUILT. THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE STOMACH TO TEAR DOWN THEIR MISTAKES AND THIS PROBABLY GETS AWARDED WITH. THIS APPROVAL IS AN EXAMPLE WHY PEOPLE HAVE SAYING THESE THINGS. THE ZONING MASTER USED THE WRONG STANDARD. DOES NOT MEET ANY OF THE SU-1 OF 27-132 AND SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN APPROVED. PLEASE OVERTURN THE DECISION OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATION. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT OF THE ZERO HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT. HE GUESS THE EIGHT HOUSES THAT ARE BEING BUILT ON MY STREET WHERE THERE USED TO BE TWO ARE JUST MY IMAGINATION? THE DATA FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THAT SOUTH TAMPA HAS THE HIGHEST GROWTH RATE IN THE CITY IS SOMEONE'S IMAGINATION? WHAT I SAY IS, BUILD THESE IN THE UNIVERSITY PLANNING DISTRICT WHICH HAD A 1% GROWTH RATE WHERE THEY CAN SHELTER IN PLACE. WHERE JEAN DUNCAN SAID IS THE BEST PLACE TO INCREASE TRANSPORTATION. WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SAYS THE JOB CENTERS ARE. BUILD THIS THERE. THAT IS WHERE IT MAKES SENSE. SOUTH TAMPA HAS DONE ITS FAIR SHARE IN CONTRIBUTING TO THE HOUSING SUPPLY. IF EVERY DISTRICT IN THE CITY HAS THE SAME GROWTH RATE AS SOUTH TAMPA, WE WOULD HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE UNITS. WHEN EVERY DISTRICT IN THE CITY EQUALS THE GROWTH RATE OF SOUTH TAMPA, THEN COME TALK TO ME OF SOUTH TAMPA NEEDING TO HELP WITH THE HOUSING CRISIS. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: STEPHANIE POYNOR. DO YOU HAVE AVISPEAKER WAIVER FORM. >> WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT? >> I DON'T CARE. IT DOESN'T MATTER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JOHN LUM, YOU WILL BE THE LAST SPEAKER. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SEVEN NAMES. SHARON ROOSEVELT. JOYCE KILBREATH. THANK YOU. JOYCE PRATHER, THANK YOU. LORI DUSOL. STEPHANIE DOSOL, RACHEL SAMPLE. AND MARY BATE SABO. THANK YOU. SEVEN PLUS THREE, TEN MINUTES TOTAL, PLEASE. >> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THREE GROUPS HERE, THE OWNERS, THE APPLICANTS -- THEY ARE NOT THE APPLICANTS, THEY ARE THE DEVELOPERS. LET'S CALL THEM WHAT THEY ARE. ONE GROUP IS THE OWNERS. ONE GROUP IS THE DEVELOPERS. AND THEN THERE IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WELL, IT IS FUNNY HOW PUBLIC COMMENT ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO DID NOT WEAR RED TODAY WHO ARE GOING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPERS OR THE APPLICANTS, I DON'T KNOW. ANYWAY, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE, THREE GROUPS HERE. I WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU THAT MR. HUDSON -- MR. HUDSON'S CLIENTS DID NOT FILE THIS SU-1. THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY FILED THE SU-1. THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY NEVER TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU CAN ASK MR. TRELLA. SO PLEASE POINT -- TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS. BECAUSE WHEN THEY STAND UP HERE AROUND SAID THEY MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, GUESS WHAT, THE DEVELOPER MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE APPLICANTS DID NOT. THEY IGNORED US. OKAY. RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU LIVE IN BAYSIDE WEST OR SOUTH TAMPA, PLEASE. THANK YOU. AND THERE ARE A FEW IN HERE THAT LEFT. GO FIGURE. I WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU I AM AMAZED OF THE BIG GUN WHO ROLLED IN HERE TODAY. PEOPLE WE HAVEN'T SEEN IN YEARS TO COME SIT IN THE GALLERY JUST FOR THIS LITTLE OL' CASE. I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, IF THEY WERE HOT AND HEAVY TO SELL, THEY HAD -- THEY HAD A REZONING IN '21 THAT THEY LIVED THROUGH. THEY HAD ANOTHER -- SU-1 OR REZONING IN '22. OKAY. BUT SINCE 2020, THERE HAVE BEEN 11 CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES. NOT JUST COMPLAINTS, BUT CASES AGAINST THIS PROPERTY. IF YOU WANT HIGH DOLLAR FOR YOUR PROPERTY, YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT LIKE A TRASH PILE. SORRY, NOT SORRY. THEY DIDN'T EVEN PUT A FENCE UP. TWO MONTHS, WAH,U WAH. SORRY. I THINK COUNCIL NEEDS TO START ASKING PEOPLE'S ADDRESSES WHEN THEY GET UP AND SPEAK. THE APPLICANT -- LET ME SEE HERE. I GOT MYSELF SCREWED AROUND IF -- PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE. I LOVE HAD LIVE LOCAL THREAT. BULLYING WITH LIVE LOCAL IS A NEW THING. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE ASK MR. HUDSON'S CLIENTS IF THEY DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THEY DON'T. THEY BUILD REALLY NICE FANCY HOUSES. BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY GOT HERE TODAY. OKAY. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO THIS LIVE LOCAL. OWNER ALSO HAVE TO SHOP THIS OUT AGAIN. TWO MONTHS WEREN'T LOST TO THE LIVE LOCAL. GIVE ME A BREAK. I ALSO WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY, I LIKE THE WORD COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO SAY IT AND MANY OTHER FOLKS WILL LEARN HOW TO SAY IT TOO. IN PARAGRAPH IN THIS LETTER THAT YOU GOT YESTERDAY IS NOT COMPETENT TO OR SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. THANK YOU. CARROLL ANNE POINTED OUT ALL THE STUFF WHERE THE DOOR GOES AND THE GROUND FLOOR ENTRANCE. THIS IS WHAT KILLS ME. THIS IS THE INTERIOR. CAN YOU SEE NO DOORS INTO THE HOUSE. 18 FOOT BY 19 BUT YOU KNOW THIS LADY AND THEY HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE. STEPHANIE ,OYNOR TAUGHT EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL HOW BIG THEIR CARS ARE PLAINTIFF VIERA'S TRUCK IS FOUR INCHES HIGH OF THE 18 INTO THE. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE TO SEE MR. ELIJAH GREEN UP IN HERE. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HIM UNDER OATH ANSWERING QUESTIONS, BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING SHADY. OKAY. SO MR. GREEN SAYS DIRECT ACCESS. THIS APPROVAL LETTER WHICH IS ALSO SIGNED BY MR. GREEN SAYS DIRECT ACCESS. SAYS DIRECT ACCESS ON THIS OTHER DOCUMENT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS CALLED BUT ANYWAY, SAYS DIRECT ACCESS. LOOK AT THIS, OH, MY GOD. IT IS A TRANSPORTATION REPORT FROM OUR FAVORITE TRANSPORTATION GUY, JONATHAN SCOTT. LOOK IT SAYS. FROM TRANSPORTATION FOLKS. THE TRANSPORTATION FOLKS SAY CROSS-ACCESS. NOT CORRECT, BUT YET THE PEOPLE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT SAY DIRECT, DIRECT, DIRECT. WHERE IS MR. SCOTT? LET'S HEAR FROM HIM AS WELL, AND HAVE HIM UNDER OATH. NOW THIS IS THE 15 MACHINE FOOT, EIGHT-INCH DRIVEWAY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH YOU ALL KNOW IS DEFICIENT DRIVEWAYS ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THAT THIS CAR CAN'T PARK IN THAT DRIVEWAY. BACK AND FORTH. OKAY. BUT ON THIS SITE PLAN, AND I AM SORRY, I DID NOT EMPLOYEE IT UP. I USUALLY DO AND I TOTALLY FORGET, BUT THIS DRIVEWAYS ARE NINE FOOT OR 12 FOOT. EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL KNOW THAT CHARLIE HAS THE SMALLEST CAR UP THERE AND HIS IS ALMOST 15 FEET. NOT ONE OF THESE DRIVEWAYS WILL ANY OF YOUR VEHICLES FIT IN. MAYBE A SMART CAR. JUST A SMART CAR. BUT THAT WILL BE ABOUT IT. SO I AM JUST TRYING -- HERE IS THE THING. AND I -- I AM GOING TO DIGRESS FOR A SECOND. WHEN MR. TRELLA SAID THAT WE SAT DOWN WITH THE DEVELOPER. MIND YOU, I AM NOT SAYING THE OWNER, AND THEY ARE NOT THE APPLICANT. WE SAT DOWN WITH THE DEVELOPER, WHO DID NOT PUT THIS PLAN TOGETHER, OKAY. THEY DID NOT SUBMIT THIS PLAN, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. THEY MAY HAVE PUT IT TOGETHER. BUT WE ASKED FOR A VERY, VERY SIMPLE THINGS. WE ASKED FOR APPROPRIATELY SIZED GARAGES. WE ASKED FOR NOT DEFICIENT DRIVEWAYS. WE ASKED FOR LOWER HEIGHTS ON THE UNITS THAT FACE OAK ELLER. WE ARE TALKING 15 TO 20 UNITS. WE ARE ASKING THEM TO HAVE TWO STORIES INSTEAD OF FOUR. NOBODY OUT THERE THAT DOESN'T WANT TO LIVE IN A FOUR-STORY TOWNHOUSE? I AM SURE THEY ARE. BUT THEY SAID, OH, NO, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. OH, NO, THAT IS NOT REALLY IMPORTANT. YES, IT IS. AND AS FOR THE GENTLEMAN WHO GOT UP HERE AND SAID NOTHING FOR SALE IN SOUTH TAMPA UNDER $1 MILLION? GUESS WHAT, I AM GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. I HAVE A HOUSE LISTED FOR RENT AND ALSO LISTED FOR SALE BUILT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND 695,000. I HAVE ANOTHER ONE I AM GOING TO PICK UP IN THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR WEEKS THAT WILL -- BECAUSE IT IS NOT GETTING SOLD AT $625,000. AND IT IS -- THESE ARE BOTH FOUR BEDROOMS, THREE BATH DOMAIN HOMES IN BEAUTIFUL CONDITION. GIVE ME A BREAK. THESE AREN'T AFFORDABLE EITHER. ASK THEM HOW MUCH THEY ARE GOING TO COST TO BUILD? ASK THEM. IT IS JUST THAT SIMPLE. UNFORTUNATELY, FOLKS, THE DOORS AREN'T FACING THE STREET. NO DOORS ON THE BACK. COMMERCIAL DENSITY. GUESS WHAT. YOU BUILD A BIG OL' FRICKEN OFFICE BUILDING, GUESS TO EVACUATES FROM THERE? NOBODY! NOBODY EVACUATES FROM AN OFFICE BUILDING. NOBODY EVACUATES FROM A DENTIST OFFICE. NOBODY EVACUATES FROM A GROCERY STORE OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS COMMERCIAL. BUT YET WE ARE GOING TO PUT ALL THESE FOLKS HERE. AND SIMPLY -- IS WHAT IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO. HAD THEY JUST DONE A REASON REASONABLE ACOME STATION FOR THIS COMMUNITY, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. IF THEY HAVE JUST DONE A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION WHICH MEANS MAKING ENOUGH SPARKING SPACES ON THEIR PROPERTY FOR THE VEHICLES THAT WILL LIVE THERE. WHICH WILL MEAN IF YOU DO NOT BUILD A MONSTER BUILDING NEXT DOOR TO SOMEBODY'S SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. IT IS JUST THAT SIMPLE. AND, YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN A REZONING OR A PD. ONE OR THE OTHER. I AM SURE IT SHOULD HAVE. BUT YET WE ARE GOING TO PLAY GAMES. WHO APPROVED IT. WHY THEY APPROVED IT. AND WHY ISN'T HE HERE. WE HAVE BABY LAND USE FOLKS WHO COME HERE ALL THE TIME AND START TALKING IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, BUT THERE IS A REASON WHY SOMEBODY IS NOT HERE TODAY. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. LUM, PLEASE COME UP. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. YOU ARE THE LAST SPEAKER. >> HELLO, JOHN LUM, LIST DEVELOPERS, BAY POINT CIRCLE. SOMEBODY PULL THAT THAT UP. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ON TOP. WHERE YOUR THUMB IS AT. >> THAT IS SMART. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR YOUR TIME. LARRY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR DISCUSSION AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. LARRY'S HOUSE IS, LIKE, RIGHT HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN'T SEE YE YET. >> THE REASON LARRY DISCUSSED HE HAD TO GO TWO BLOCKS OVER TO FIND FLOODED HOUSES. HIS TWO STREETS DIDN'T FLOOD. THIS ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT DIDN'T FLOOD EITHER. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NO WATER TAKEN ON THE CHURCH WHICH IS ON GRADE THAT WE WILL SHOALS YOU A PICTURE RIGHT THERE. IT DID NOTED INTO. ANYWAY, THIS IS -- THIS IS 1954 ESTATES THAT WERE ESTABLISHED. AND IN MY ESTIMATION. THEY SOMEHOW -- THEY PUT THIS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT BESIDE THIS VERY DENSE RS-60 ZONING. I DIDN'T DO IT, BUT I AM GOING TO GET BLAMED FOR IT. THIS -- THESE THREE STREETS, THE MOST IMPORTANT STREETS ARE CLOSED OFF AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF ARE NOT AS DIRECTLY IMPACTED. BUT THESE THREE STREETS HERE, ME, MY PARTNER BOB AND I MADE THE DECISION TO PUT A FENCE RIGHT WHERE THE BLUE LINE -- NO LONGER -- TWO ACCESSES NORTH ON OAK ELLER. WE CLOSED THEM OFF. WE PROMISED FOLKS -- WHEN I MET WITH A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THERE -- AND THEY HAD ALL THESE, YOU KNOW, SLOW DOWN KIDS ARE PLAYING SIGNS AND ALL THAT STUFF. I GUARANTEE THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT THAT LITTLE DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN BLOCKED OFF ON THE NORTH SIDE. NO CARS COMING FROM THE SOUTH AND SCARING THE MOTHERS AND A LOT OF MOMS WITH YOUNG KID AND WE WANT TO TAKE INTO INTO FACT. AND THAT'S WHY WE DID -- THE ONLY NORTHERN ACCESS IS TO THE EAST OF THE MOST EASTERLY STREET. I AM A NASTY OL' DEVELOPER EVERYBODY DIDN'T HATE ME. I TOOK INTO ACCOUNT THAT DON'T WANT CARS GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE FOR THE BUILDING DOWN, IT THEIR LIVES ARE BETTER THAN WHEN ALL OF THAT STUFF WAS GOING ON. THERE ARE THE LITTLE SIGNS. I SEE THEM. BE MR. DOSOL. I TALKED TO THEM NUFL OF NUMEROUS TIMES. THIS PLACE DID NOT FLOOD. LAST THING AND THAT YOU GUYS ARE MISSING ON THE SITE PLAN, THE DRIVEWAY FROM FACE TO FACE ARE 45, 43 FEET WIDE. WE ARE ASKED TO DO 24 FEET. ALMOST DOING DOUBLE THAT, OKAY. WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAYS IN THE SUBDIVISION. PEOPLE WHO WILL PULL UP IN FRONT OF THEIR DOORS AND FIND A PLACE TO PARK. WE HAD AMPLE VISITOR PARKING. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR CHART. BUT THIS A VERY WELL-DONE SUBDIVISION. MAYBE YOU GUYS REMEMBER THIS LITTLE MAP. GUYS, THIS IS THE MISSING MIDDLE. YOU TALKED ABOUT IT LAST YEAR, THE BIG GROWING CONCERN FOR ALL OF YOU PEOPLE AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IS MISSING MIDDLE. WE NEED A PLACE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO BUY AND LIVE IN THIS EXPENSIVE TOWN. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. NOW WE GO TO ANY AN ADDITIONAL STAFF COMMENTS, IF ANY. IF NOT I WILL GO TO THE REBUTTAL. ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF? >>LAURA MARLEY: LAURA MARLEY, ZONING COORDINATOR. MY STAFF REPORT IN THE PETITION FOR REVIEW, THERE IS SECTION 27-130, CONDITIONS AND SAFEGUARDS. YOU ALL CAN PUT CONDITIONS ON THIS SPECIAL USE IF YOU CHOOSE TO. SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT. IF YOU WANTED TO ADD CONDITIONS. THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO BE AGREEABLE TO THEM AS WELL, BUT YOU CAN ADD CONDITIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TO WHAT EXTENT CAN WE ADD CONDITIONS? >>LAURA MARLEY: THERE IS NOT A LIMIT ON WHAT KIND OF CONDITIONS THAT YOU CAN DO. IT BASICALLY SAYS SUCH CONDITIONS AND SAFEGUARD OFF TO STATE REASONS FOR THE CONDITIONS AND STANDARDS. AND NO CONDITION OR SAFEGUARD SHALL HAVE SPECIAL LIMITATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS BEYOND THOSE REASONABLY NECESSARY FOR THE ACCOMPLISHMENT OF THE PURPOSE. SO THIS IS NOT REALLY LIMITED TO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF WE WANTED TO PUT A STIPULATION OF OAKKELLER. WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE AS A STIPULATION. >>LAURA MARLEY: COULD YOU. RIGHT NOW THE SITE PLAN SHOWS RIGHT-OUT, LEFTHORN IN ON-- LEFT-IN ONLY. IF YOU WANTED A DIFFERENT CONDITION, DO YOU THAT, YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST TO BE CLEAR -- I KNOW WE HEARD FROM A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT AND WANT TOP HEAR FROM STAFF AND LEGAL STAFF. WE ARE HERE TALK WHETHER THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION TO ACCEPT THIS AS A SU-1 BASED ON THOSE TWO CRITERIA. AND THOSE TWO CRITERIA. WHETHER APPROPRIATE FOR A SU-1 OR NOT APPROPRIATE. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE. YES, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO CRITERIA IN 27-132 FOR THIS APPLICATION TO CONSIDER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I WILL GO TO REBUTTAL BY PROPERTY OWNER OR REPRESENTATIVE. AND THAT INDIVIDUAL HAS FIVE MINUTES PLUS 1:0. SO 6:08 IS THE TOTAL TIME. YES, SIR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> MY NAME IS BOB GRIESE. GOOD AFTERNOON. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE TAMPA BAY COMMUNITY FOR THE PAST 34 YEARS. DURING THAT TIME, I COMMITTED MYSELF OF GIVING BACK TO IN COMMUNITY WHETHER PROVIDE WILLING COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIPS OF NEARLY $1 MILLION TO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY STUDENTS OR BEING A MAJOR DON'TER TO THE USF MEDICAL SCHOOL, THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA, THE STRAZ CENTER AROUND MANY OTHERS. I AM ALSO A RESPECTED BUSINESSMAN, AND SO IS MY PARTNER JOHN LUM, ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED PEOPLE IN THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY. YEARS AGO REBUILT THE KERTONA APARTMENTS 00-UNIT OFF OF GANDY AND DALE MABRY WHICH WAS A FORMER LAND FILL. WE HEARD THE SAME COMPLAINTS. BEAUTIFUL 300-HOUSE COMPLEX PROVIDING HOUSING TO FAMILIES AND PROVIDING $1.2 MILLION TO THE COUNTY FOR ANNUAL TAXES. 25 YEARS ONE RETAIL SITE AFTER THE OTHER HAS FAILED ON THIS SITE. FAILED IN FACT MISERABLY. THIS IS NOT A VIABLE RETAIL SITE. AND YOU WOULDN'T PUT A PERSON OF YOUR OWN MONEY IN IT AS A RETAIL SITE. WE ORIGINALLY PLANNED 257-UNIT SIMILAR TO CORTONA MET WITH THE SAME OPPOSITION. WE DOWNSIZE IT TO 127 HIGHER-PRICED TOWN HOMES THAT CAN SELL. 127 TOWN HOMES WOULD NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST WAY IMPACT TRAFFIC. AND WOULD, IN FACT, HAVE A TRAFFIC IMPACT OF LESS THAN 10% COMPARED TO ANY RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT. FROM THE BEGINNING, WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING RESPECTFULLY AND BUY THE RULES WITH RESPECT TO OUR APPLICATION AND THE CODE SECTIONS. I READ THE 25 NEIGHBORHOOD LETTERS. THEY ARE ENTIRELY WITHOUT MERIT, AND THEY CITE FALSE STATEMENT. THEY SAY BUILD MORE RETAIL OBLIVIOUS WITH THE FACT THAT RETAIL HAS NO CHANCE TO SUCCEED. THE SAME COMPLAINTS SAY THAT IS DEVELOPMENT WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC TO SUSTAINABLE LEVELS. THAT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. WE SUBMITTED A PLAN APPROVED BY THE CITY AND WITH RESPECT RULES THAT PROVIDE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF NO NEIGHBORHOOD DISRUPTION AND ONE THAT COULD ALLOW NEW AND EXISTING RESIDENTS A CHANCE TO OWN A NEWLY CONSTRUCTED HOME AT A PRICE MOST AFFORDABLE IN THIS SUB MARKET. IF WE ARE TURNED DOWN, WE HAVE THE RIGHT UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL ACT TO PUT IN 350, THREE TIMES WHAT IS PROPOSED. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY EVERYONE CONCERNED WITH TRAFFIC WOULD HAVE 350 UNITS INSTEAD OF 127. WITH RESPECT TO THE COMMENTS YOU HEARD TODAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS THEY DO NOT ADDRESS THE REASON WE ARE HERE TODAY WHICH IS SIMPLY, DOES THIS PROJECT MEET THE CRITERIA. DOES IT HAVE LEGAL ACCESS TO GANDY. THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES, VERIFIED BY THE CITY AND OUR ATTORNEY. DOES IN COMPLY WITH THE RM-24. ANSWER IS YES AS CONFIRMED BY THE CITY. WE MET THE CRITERIA ON BOTH ACCOUNTS AND HAVE BEEN CONFIRMED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU, MR. GREASE. >> TYLER HUDSON. FIRST BEFORE I GO INTO THE REBUTTAL, ONE CONDITION THAT WE WILL BE WILLING TO OFFER THAT I ALLUDED TO THIS IS ABOUT GARAGE SIZE. WHAT IS LISTED ON-SITE PLAN IS 18 X 9 KNOWING THAT IS THE CODE MINIMUM. WE ARE FOLLOWING PROVIDE 19 INCH BY 10 FEET. TOO SHORT OF 20 X 20. WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT WE ALREADY PLANNED TO DO. NOW LET'S GET INTO THE REBUTTAL. YOUR STAFF GOT THIS RIGHT. THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE. WE ARE HERE TO REVIEW WHETHER STAFF GOT THIS RIGHT. AND THEY DID. THEY CORRECTLY REVIEWED THIS AS SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, WHICH IT IS. THIS IS NOT MULTIFAMILY STYLE. THIS IS SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED. THESE ARE ROWHOUSES. THEY CORRECTLY DETERMINED LEGALLY AFTER REVIEWING THE REQUISITE LEGAL INFORMATION WE HAVE DIRECT ACCESS PURSUANT TO THE RECORDED INCIDENT ON RECORD SINCE 1959 AND WILL RUN WITH THE LAND. THEY GOT THAT RIGHT. DIRECT ACCESS IS A LINE FROM POINT A TO POINT B. IT IS NOT FRONTAGE BUT ACCESS, DIRECT ACCESS, EXACTLY WHAT THIS PROJECT HAS AND HOW OPERATED PREVIOUSLY. TWO THINGS. ACCESS AND RM-24. ZERO EVIDENCE MUCH LESS COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL THAT WE DON'T REACH RM-24. THAT IS THE STAGE THAT WE ARE EVALUATING THIS. REMEMBER WHERE YOU ARE. YOU ARE APPROVING A USE. DETERMINATION LETTER FOR THIS SAYS THERE ARE SOME COMMENTS YOU NEED TO ADDRESS IN PERMITTING. WE ARE PREPARED TO DO THAT. THIS WAS NOT AN EVALUATION OF THE STORMWATER TECHNICAL STANDARD MEMORANDUM OR MANUAL, SORRY, OR THE TECHNICAL STANDARD MANUAL. NONE OF THOSE THINGS OCCURRED BECAUSE NOT THAT TIME YET. THAT TIME WILL COME TO PUT TOGETHER THE WORK FOR THE PLANS. WE WOULDN'T HAVE ASKED FOR THIS SPECIAL USE IF WE DIDN'T THINK WE COULD. A LOT OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT CENTERED AROUND HOW THIS PROJECT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH CODE. BUT IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH CODE AS THEY WANT IT TO BE. TO BORROW CARROLL ANNE'S WORD "MYTHICAL" MAY NOT COMPLY WITH WHAT THE CODE WANTS TO BE, BUT AS A PROPERTY OWNER, EVERY CITIZEN IN TAMPA CAN BE HELD AGAINST A STANDARD OF WHAT THE CODE IS TODAY, TODAY RIGHT OUT IN. IF THAT CHANGES, WE WILL TAKE THE RISK OF THAT. THAT IS WHAT IS BEFORE YOU. REMEMBER WHERE YOU ARE. ARE TOWN HOMES ALLOWED HERE? YES. IS THIS DENSITY APPROPRIATE? YES. 18 UNITS PER ACRE WHEN YOU CAN GO 50 AND 60. NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE HARD. THIS CASE IS COMPLETELY PUT TOWARD IN THE APPLICANT'S FAVOR AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FLORIDA MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND ONE PARTICULAR ITEM FROM ONE UNIT TO THE OTHER UNIT IS WHAT, 45 FEET AWAY. WHY IS IT THAT LARGE? I AM NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU. I WANT TO KNOW WHY IT IS THAT LARGE. I SEE SOME THAT ARE MUCH LESS THAN THAT. >> WE THINK IT MAKES FOR A BETTER PRODUCT-TO-HAVE THAT WIDTH OF DRIVE AISLE. WEEP TALKED OF THIS BEFORE. WHEN DEALING WITH A PIECE OF EARTH, SPATIAL TRADE-OFFS IN EVERYTHING SINGLE THING YOU DO AND WE THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THAT BE A WIDER DRIVEWAY FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE MORE FREE ACCESS. AND CONSEQUENCES OF THAT ON UNIT SIDE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SOMETHING THAT WAS THOUGHT OF EXHAU EXHAUSTIVELY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: EXCUSE ME. I AM NOT TRYING TO INTERRUPT. THE UNITS -- RESIDENTIAL UNITS. YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL UNITS HERE. WILL IT BE ANY HELP IF THAT UNIT COULD BE MOVED BACK A FEW FEET? JUST SO THEY WON'T BE SO CLOSE? >> SURE. TO ALLUDE WHAT JOHN WAS SAYING OF MISSING MIDDLE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT TRYING TO READ -- >> A POINT WELL TAKEN. ONE ELEMENT OF THIS PROJECT IS MUEWS. IF WE ARE GOING TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWTH, IT IS ALREADY HERE AND THE PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE COMING, YOU CAN'T HAVE EVERY SINGLE FRONT DOOR FACE THE STREET. THAT WAS ON PURPOSE, I WOULD SAY. THAT WASN'T AN ACCIDENT. IT WAS PURPOSELY DESIGNED TO HAVE THIS COTTAGE COURT. BUNGALOW COURT FROM HYDE PARK VILLAGE. INTENTIONAL DESIGN CHOICE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. HUDSON. NIX SPEAKER IS REREBUTTAL FROM THE APPLICANT SPEAKER. TEN MINUTES. FIVE FROM THE UNUSED PREVIOUS PRESENTATION. START YOU AT TEN MINUTES AND WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MAKE OUR MOTIONS. STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN. >> PETE TRELLA, BAYSIDE WEST PRESIDENT. COUNCIL. WE HEARD A LOT. THIS IS A LOT SHORTER AND LAST TIME WE GOT AROUND 1 A.M. NICE TO KNOW WE CAN GET ABOUT OUR DAYS. SOME THINGS I WAS EXPECTING TO HEAR TODAY. SOME THINGS THAT KIND OF CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD A LITTLE BIT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS AFFORDABLE HOMES. SO I GUESS NOBODY REALIZED OR AWARE THAT CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW OR FINISHING BEING BUILT -- MEANING THE PROPERTIES ARE JUST NOW BEING LISTED OR THE STRUCTURE IS ALREADY UP AND NOW THEY ARE WORKING ON THE INSIDE. THERE ARE 38 LUXURY TOWN HOMES ALREADY LISTED AT THE CORNER OF FAIR OAKS AND MANISCALCO WI-- A MANHATTAN. 4511, ASTRONAUT MANHATTAN AVENUE, 40 TWO-STORY TOWN HOMES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ALREADY STRUCTURED. CURRENTLY HAVE THE ROOF TRELLISES THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE MARKET BY Q 3 AND Q 4 THIS YEAR. 100 UNITS MIXED TWO EN TWO TO THREE BEDROOM AT CASA DEL MAR THAT HAS A OCCUPANCY LESS THAN 26%. WHETHER YOU NEED TO PURCHASE OR RENT, THERE IS A PLETHORA OF OPTIONS IN SOUTH COMPANY AND JUST FOR FUN, I HAD TO PULL UP ZILLOW. OVER 295 PROPERTIES THAT ARE PRICED LESS THAN HALF A MILLION DOLLARS SOUTH OF KENNEDY. 295. FOR SALE. SO TO SAY THEIR HURTING PEOPLE'S DREAMS AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN HELP BREAK THEM INTO BIGGING A HOMEOWNER. NO WAY A THREE-STORY W A ROOF TRELLIS LIKE THAT THAN ANYTHING LESS THAN $750,000 ON THE MARKET. LET'S BE SERIOUS. OTHER PIECE THAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHICH REALLY SOMETHING THAT KIND OF HURTS THAT THE COMMENT WE HAD OF THIS LIVE LOCAL. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT US? THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS THE LEVERAGE THEY WANT TO PROVIDE. IF YOU APPRO OF THIS, WE WILL DROP IT. WE ARE ONLY HAVING THIS TO AMERICA SURE THAT WE CAN SCARE THE NEIGHBORS FROM WALKING AWAY FROM THIS WHICH IS A CONVERSATION THAT MR. HUDSON AND I DID HAVE. THE TYPE OF DEVELOPERS WE WANT TO BE BRINGING INTO OUR COMMUNITY? THAT THIS IS HOW THEY TREAT CITY COUNCIL BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW THEY TREAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IF YOU DON'T DO THIS, WE WILL MAKE YOUR LIVES A MILLION TIMES WORSE. HOW ELSE ARE WE SUPPOSED TO TAKE THAT PORE T-- OTHER THAN THEY DON'T CARE. ALMIGHTY DOLLAR HAS RULED THE CITY OF TAMPA. I AM PLEASED OF THE FOLKS WE HAVE ON THE DAIS. EACH ONE OF YOU SPECIFICALLY CARE OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AS A WHOLE. IN SITUATION LOOSE I CAN THIS QUESTION MYSELF. AND WHO DO WE HAVE FLORIDA OTHER APARTMENTS IN THE CITY. AND WHO ARE THEY REALLY WORKING FOR? I STAND HERE TODAY EXHAUSTED. OVERWHELMED. EMOTIONAL. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THIS WAY. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO SPEND 40-PLUS HOURS, OVER $500. THAT $500 WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE BACK. EVERY DIME, WHETHER IT IS NEXT YEAR OR OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS. THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE BACK WHAT THEY SPENT. TRULY OF THE PARKS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHAT WE WANT HAVE FOR EVERYBODY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA TO ENJOY. THERE IS NO PARK WITHIN THREE MILES EAST OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD -- EXCUSE ME WEST OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE DENSITY THEY ARE SAYING THEY ARE GOING TO BRING IN IF WE HAVE THIS MANY PROPERTIES AVAILABLE FOR SALE AND CASA DEL MAR HAVE BEEN OPEN AND THEY HAVE THAT VACANCY. IS OUR MARKET TRENDING UP OR SLOWING DOWN. NOT FOR US TO DECIDE. ONE THING THAT WAS SAID MULTIPLE TIMES THAT WE ARE DOING A DISSERVICE TO PEOPLE BY NOT BUILDING THIS TYPE OF DENSITY. THAT IS JUST NOT TRUE. I AM NOT HERE TO STIFLE DEVELOPMENT. WE WORKED WITH THREE FOLKS VERY SUCCES SUCCE SUCCESSFULLY. ACTUALLY PART OF SAYING THAT. ONLY FOUR DEVELOPERS THAT ACTUALLY WORKED WITH US. SO FUNNY THAT 75% OF THEM WORKED WITH US AND SUPPORTED THE PROBABLY. JUST ONE. AND ONE CONSTANT IN THAT SO I THINK THAT TRULY SPEAKS IS THIS TRULY IN GOOD FAITH. OR IS THIS TRULY FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO TURN A PROFIT. KNOWING WHAT THEY PAID FOR THAT PROPERTY BACK IN 2021, A LOT OF PROFITS TO BE MADE. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THIS MADE. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THIS WAY. LAST THING WE WANT TO SAY, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A LOT OF THE DISAGREEMENTS, EVEN WITHIN CITY STAFF ON WHETHER THIS IS A CROSS-ACCESS OR DIRECT ACCESS. WE HAVE A DOCUMENTED MULTIPLE TIMES. IT WOULD BE VERY NICE ESPECIALLY IF YOU ALL TO MAKE A DECISION ON SOMETHING THIS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE FOLKS THAT MADE THOSE ASKER ISTATIONS THAT WE HAVE DOCUMENTED AS PART OF PUBLIC RECORD TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THOSE. IF SOMEBODY MAKES A MISTAKE, MAX A PRETTY EGREGIOUS MISTAKE OF THE E-MAIL AND NO DOCK MEMBERTATION OF A CORRECTIVE ACTION TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T DO THAT? I HAVE BEEN A MANAGER FOR A LONG TIME. WHEN WE MAKE A MISTAKE. WE CORRECT THE MISTAKE. WE COACH AND DOCUMENT TO HAVE A BASIS TO STAND ON THE NEXT TIMING IS LIKE THIS COMES UP. I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. APPRECIATE 1998 YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THE CONCERNS AND I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I ASK STAFF SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START OFF FOR MISS FEELEY SINCE SHE AND I HAVE A LONG-STANDING RELATIONSHIP ON GARAGE SIZES. WITH THE CHANGES THAT COUNCIL IS PROPOSING AND MAKING, WHEN WILL THOSE GO INTO EFFECT, AND CAN WE IMPLEMENT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ON A PROJECT AT THIS STAGE? >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY. WE ARE BRINGING THEM TO YOU AT THE WORKSHOP NEXT WEEK. TYPICALLY, IT IS NOT UNTIL YOU HAVE A PENDING ORDINANCE. SO WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO CONSIDER NEXT WEEK WILL THEN GET TRANSMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN IT WILL BE -- HAVE A HEARING THERE AND WILL COME BACK TO YOU FOR ADOPTION. SO I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT ON WHEN THAT IS A PENDING ORDINANCE UNDER WHICH YOU CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, BUT IT IS FORTHCOMING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LEGAL, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I DO NOT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. STAY THERE FOR A SECOND. LEGAL. SO THE -- ONE OF THE CRITICAL POINTS THAT I THINK IN THE DECISION POINTS OF THIS CASE IS BASED ON DIRECT ACCESS. OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ARGUMENTS HERE. ONE IS THIS CROSS-ACCESS -- IS THAT EQUIVALENT TO DIRECT ACCESS? I UNDERSTAND CITY STAFF HAD MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT IT IS. DOES THIS COUNCIL HAS THE LEGAL AUTHORITY, DEFENDABLE AUTHORITY, TO REINTERPRET THAT THAT CROSS-ACCESS IS NOT DIRECT ACCESS? >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FOR THE RECORD. YOU CAN DETERMINE BASED UPON THE INFORMATION AND THE EVIDENCE THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR THIS APPLICATION ON WHETHER OR NOT IT MEETS THE CRITERIA OF THE CODE. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF WHAT DIRECT ACCESS MEANS, I HAVE TO DEFER TO STAFF. I CAN'T PROVIDE THAT YOU INFORMATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TAG. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ABBYE, YOU ARE IT. >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY. I BELIEVE IT WAS JOHN MARSH THAT IS ON THAT MEMO AND SAYS "CROSS-ACCESS." TYPICALLY CROSS-ACCESS, THERE IS AN EASEMENT. AND SOMEBODY IS GRANTING YOU PERMISSION TO COME ACROSS THAT PROPERTY TO THE OTHER PROPERTY. I DO NOT KNOW OF THAT MR. MARCH LOOKED TO THE PLAT. YOU KNOW, THAT'S RIGHT WHERE I WENT, BUT I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR 25 YEARS. SOME GOING TO THAT COMMERCIAL MAT AND SEEING ACCESS IS PLATTED AND THERE ARE SIX LOTS THAT ACCESS THROUGH THAT PLATTED PIECE OF LAND, THAT IS A DIRECT LINK TO THAT. TYPICALLY WHEN IT IS CROSS-ACCESS, YOU ARE CROSSING SOMETHING SO THEY ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THAT AS THE ACCESS. NO OTHER WAY TO GET THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I GET THAT POINT. YOUR CONTENTION AS A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ON THIS, THAT THAT DEFINITION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SU-1 FOR DIRECT ACCESS TO GANDY? >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES, IT IS. THAT ACTUALLY CAME TO ME IN THAT PROCESS BECAUSE TRANSPORTATION -- WHILE THEY ARE REVIEWING FOR THE TRANSPORTATION STANDARDS, THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY REVIEWING FOR THE LAND USE STANDARDS THAT FOLLOW INTO THE ZONING CODE THAT ARE THE AUTHORITY OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY. >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE CAN'T SAY TO DON'T PUT THAT IN A MEMO. SOMEBODY ULTIMATELY HAS TO MAKE CALL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BACK TO THE STIPULATIONS THAT WE CAN REQUIRE. WE ASKED BASICALLY NOT CLOSE ACCESS TO THE RESIDENTIAL STREET. THAT SEEMED TO BE A MAJOR CONCERN. STIPULATIONS. CAN WE STIPULATE THE GARAGE SIZES THAT EXCEED -- FOR THE NEW STANDARDS -- PUT THAT AS A STIPULATION ON THIS SITE PLAN? >>ABBYE FEELEY: THAT WOULD BE A REQUEST THAT WOULD YOU HAVE TO SPEAK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT. SPECIAL USE WORKS IN A COUPLE OF SECTIONNESS OF THE CODE. 129, 130 TO 132. 132 ARE THE SPECIFIC STANDARDS THAT RUN THAT ARE IDENTIFY IN THE USE TABLE AS A SPECIAL OR I REFER TO THEM AS A CONDITIONAL USE. SAYS IF YOU MEET THESE CONDITIONS YOU MAY BE PERMITTED TO HAVE THIS USE. WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU HAVE TO MEET ALL OTHER STANDARDS OF THE CODE BUT THE PREFERENCE OF THAT SECTION, THE 129 AND 130. GENERAL STANDARDS. THEY MUST BE APPROPRIATE USES AND SUBJECT TO AND COULD BE SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS IF THE REVIEWING BODY AND I BELIEVE IT EVEN SAY IT IS IT GOES TO COUNCIL ON APPEAL OR I CAN READ THAT SECTION, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE THAT ABILITY TO ASK ABOUT THOSE CONDITIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I GUESS THIS IS AN APPLICANT QUESTION. IF I AM READING THE ROOM CORRECTLY AND READING YOUR REPORTS AND READING THE STAFF REPORTS. I AM READING THE PLETHORA OF DOCUMENTS WE HAVE BEEN INUNDATED WITH. SEEMS AS THOUGH IF YOU HAVE RESTRICTED ACCESS TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND UP-SIZED THE GARAGE WHAT THE COUNCIL TO HAVE AS A GARAGE STANDARD BECAUSE, ONE, IT MAKES SENSE. BY THE WAY I LIVE IN A HOUSE THAT HAS A 19-FOOT-WIDE GARAGE AND NOT PRACTICAL. YOU CAN'T OPEN TWO DOORS -- YOU CAN'T OPEN THE DOORS IF YOU HAVE TWO CARS IN THE GARAGE. SORRY, NOT TO INSERT EVIDENCE -- SO I RESCIND THAT COMMENT. EMPHYSEMA IF YOU FIX THE ACCESS TO IT THE GARAGE, YOU WOULD HAVE RESOLVED SO MUCH FROM WHAT WE HEARD TODAY. >> TYLER HUDSON FOR THE RECORD, I RESPECTFUL LEAVE DISAGREE WITH THAT. I CAN'T SEE INSIDE PEOPLE'S HEARTS, BUT ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS MINUTED, ANYTHING WILL CAUSE THEM SOME CONCERN. I THINK THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF TAKING A MAGIC WAND TO THE GARAGE. OAK ELLER KNEELED TWO ACCESS POINTS. THIS LAND ALWAYS MILLION TWO ACCESS POINTS. WE DIDN'T WANT THE CONDITION. WE WERE FINE WITH IT. WE WERE NOT THE ONE WHO APPEALED IT. WE ARE FINE LIVING WITH THE STANDARD IT IS RIGHT OUT AND LEFT IN TO OAKELLER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DON'T YOU HAVE ACCESS -- I USED TO GO SHOPPING A THE ZAYRE'S. DON'T YOU HAVE ACCESS. >> NOT OAK Y ELLER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BEHIND THE BURGER KING. >> ALL UNDER CITY OWNERSHIP. GIANT POND -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I USED TO ILLEGALLY. >> MAYBE DID YOU AND WE COULDN'T COUNT ON THAT THERE. BUT WE ALWAYS HAD OAK ELLER ACCESS. WE ARE FOLLOWING TAKE THAT CONDITION AND ON STAFF TO TELL US WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO MAKE IT EXTREMELY IMPOSSIBLE TO TURN INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. TALK OF REGULATING HUMAN BEHAVIOR. IF SOMEONE JUMPS THE CURB AND TRIES TO DO THAT, WE CAN'T STOP THAT BUT WE CAN STOP 8,000 TRIPS COMING THERE BY ALLOWING THIS OF 127 TOWN HOMES TO BE APPROVED. YOU CAN LIMIT THE TRAFFIC BY LIMITING THE USE. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS. MOST LIMITED USE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE CITY BOO NOT GIVE YOU PERMISSION TO BUILD IT IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE SECOND ACCESS. >> WOULD THE CITY -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU BUILD THIS WITHOUT ACCESS TO OAK ELLER? >> IF THERE HAVE 234E6NEVER BEE ACCESS? I DON'T KNOW. LUCAS, CAN YOU COME UP. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OAK HE WILL AIR WANT OR A NEED. >> A HAVE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT IS PROBLEMATIC AFTERNOON, LUCAS CAR LOW. LEMON STREET. YOU NEED A SECOND ACCESS. ANYTHING OVER 100 UNITS, YOU NEED THAT SECOND ACCESS IF IT IS EMERGENCY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT IS A NEED. >> A NEED. YOU NEED THAT ACCESS TO OAK ELLER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY HE WAS? ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE MOTION TO CLOSE? >> NOTHING FOR ME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. WE HAVE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL ENTERTAIN ANY MOTIONS. WE HAVE OPTIONS. WE CAN UPHOLD THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S APPROVAL OR OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S APPROVAL. AND WHAT IS -- WHAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE? >>GWEN HENDERSON: I MOVE THE UPHOLD THE ZONING SU 24-98 FOR THE PROPERTY 4465 WEST GANDY BOULEVARD BECAUSE THE PETITIONER FAILED TO PROVIDE COMPREHENSIVE TEN AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THE APPLICATION IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS SET FORTH IN THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE 27-132-27-129 FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS: WHAT DID I DO WITH THEM? HOLD ON. WHAT DID I DO WITH MY PAPER? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. I HAD THE WRONG ONE. DO I NEED TO READ THE ENTIRE -- IN ITS ENTIRETY OR JUST READ THE CODE AS WRITTEN? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LIKE READ H-1 -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS IT? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: RIGHT HERE ON PAGE 1. 27-16 AND GO THROUGH -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: I KNOW. THANK YOU. TO APPROVE SPECIAL USE -- AND MINOR CHANGES. SUBSTANTIAL -- THAT'S NOT IT. THAT IS NOT IT. THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL BE -- THAT IS PART OF THE AUTHORIZATION OF WHO THE PROPERTY OWNER IS. THAT IS NOT THE PART I WANTED TO READ. TOO MANY PAPERS UP HERE. OKAY. CAN I HAVE THE LIST OF PAPERS WITH THE APPROVAL -- I HAVE A COPY OF THE STAFF REPORT FOR YOU BUT NOT THE POINT I WANTED TO READ. THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH. THANK YOU. 27-132 THAT THE DWELLING SINGLE-FAMILY FOR THE FOLLOWING STANDARDS HAS DIRECT ACCESS TO THE ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR STREET AS SHOWN ON THE MAP, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STAFF. THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND THE SITE SHALL METE THE DIMENSIONAL REGULATIONS FROM RM-24 ZONING DISTRICT SHALL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN -- HOW MANY DO I HAVE TO GIVE, ONE OR TWO, IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT YOU FEEL IS SUFFICIENT -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT WE MET THE COMPREHENSIVE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. UNITS ARE CONNECTED BY THE WALLS. -- SEE THIS IS MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS. BUT I DON'T MIND DOING IT IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: CONSISTENT WITH -- I AM CONSISTENT WITH THAT. MAYBE I CAN GET A SECOND ON THAT. >>LUIS VIERA: I AM GOING TO SECOND IT, BUT I WOULD ASK MR. SHELBY IF YOU TONIGHT MIND TO LOOK -- I WOULD ASK MR. SHELBY TO ASSIST IN MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN CRECITED CLEARLY FOR THE RECORD. >>GWEN HENDERSON: 127 -- I READ 127, SECTION 127-132. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN ASK YOU -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: 27-130 -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCILWOMAN, IF THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THE CODE HAS BEEN COMPLIED WITH AND IS CONSISTENT? >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I SAID IT WAS CONSISTENT -- IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE FROM SECTION 27-132. >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I JUST DON'T HAVE 27-132 IN FRONT OF ME ANYMORE. HERE IT IS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH REGARD TO THE ACCESS -- I BELIEVE YOU MIGHT HAVE READ THAT. IS THERE A SECOND. >>LUIS VIERA: I SECONDED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANYTHING YOU WISH TO ADD. >>LUIS VIERA: MR. SHELBY, I AM ASKING -- IF I MAY WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON HAS RECREATED, IS IT LEGALLY SUFFICIENT FOR PURPOSES OF HER MOTION? >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANY COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE YOU WISH TO STATE,OY STAY IN GENERAL THAT THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD SUPPORTS YOUR DECISION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, BUT I DON'T HAVE MY PAPER IN FRONT OF ME ANYMORE. I DON'T SEE WHERE IT IS. THAT'S NOT IT. I THINK I THREW IT IN THE TRASH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU NEED ANYTHING FURTHER. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I THINK WE CAN PROCEED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: WAIT. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT. I THINK WE CAN ALL -- OR THE RESIDENTS CAN AGREE WE HAVE A LOT OF HOUSING IN SOUTH TAMPA AND WE NEED TO INCENTIVIZE IT GOING ELSEWHERE. I THINK THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THE NEW COMP PLAN UPDATE AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE. UNFORTUNATELY ON THE FLIP SIDE, PEOPLE WHO OWN PROPERTY DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THAT PROPERTY FOR WHAT IT IS ZONED. AND THE UNFORTUNATE PART OF THAT IS THAT THEY CAN GO REALLY, REALLY BIG. LIKE CI ALLOW S ALLOWS FOR A TO DIFFERENT USES. IN THIS CASE, THIS WILL BE THE LOWEST DENSITY YOU WILL FIND ON THIS PROPERTY UNLESS THEY PUT SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, WHICH I -- GIVEN THE CURRENT MARKET I TONIGHT SEE THEM DOING PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ACCESS OF WEST OAK ELLER COMPLETELY TAKEN OFF. I AM REALLY HIGHLY DISAPPOINTED THAT THE DEVELOPER AND THE REPRESENTATIVES WHO ARE NORMALLY PRETTY GOOD WITH IT HAVEN'T BEEN WORKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD I FEEL THEY SHOULD HAVE. MOST OF THE TIME, WE HAVE TAKEN -- WE DON'T GET A LOT OF THESE HEARINGS ANYMORE BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME THEY ARE HANDLED WITH COMMUNICATION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF THIS GOES THROUGH, I WILL HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SHOW THEM THE SITE PLANS AND SHOW THEM THE LARGE -- I KNOW THAT MR. HUDSON SAID THAT THEY COULD COMMIT TO THE -- THE GARAGE SIZE BEING 19 FOOT, 10 INCHES WHICH IS CLOSE TO 20. SO I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT AS AN AMENDMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT MAKES IT. BECAUSE HE STATED ON THE RECORD WE DO THIS. GARAGE SIZE AS THAT ARE 19 FEET, 10 INCHES WIDE. SON I AM -- THANK YOU I THINK THAT IS THE PART I AM MOST DISAPPOINTED ABOUT. WE DIDN'T NEED TO BE HERE TODAY IF FOLKS HAD JUST TAKEN THE TIME TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS AND ACTUALLY GET DOWN TO THE ISSUES THAT MATTERED. TO BE ABLE TO PULL AWAY -- TO BOTH SIDES HAVING THE ABILITY TO SAY, OKAY, I AM NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO GET EXACTLY WHAT I WANT, BUT I AM WILLING TO COME TOGETHER. BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THIS COMMUNITY IS, ESPECIALLY IN A SPOT THIS YEAR OR LAST YEAR WHERE PEOPLE ARE REALLY SCARED. MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAD TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES BECAUSE OF FLOODING. AND I THINK THAT AS DEVELOPERS AND OWNERS, YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW THAT. AND TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT AND LISTEN A LITTLE BIT MORE. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE ALL DOING. WE ARE LISTENING ALL THE TIME. CRYING WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS AND HEARING WHAT IS GOING ON. RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL OF NEWS THESE TYPE OF POSITIONS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND WE DIDN'T SEE THAT HERE. AND I AM INCREDIBLY DISAPPOINTED BY IT. IT IS NOT A -- AGAIN, I DO FIND THE SU-17 DID WHAT IT IS SU SUPPOSED TO DO. BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE HERE BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE JUST, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO BE A LITTLE MORE COMBATIVE ABOUT IT. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO LISTEN. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED AND PREVENTED ALL OF US FROM BEING HERE. NOT EVERYONE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN WHAT THEY WANTED, BUT JUST TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. I AM JUST -- I AM -- I AM REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS HA H COME TOGETHER TO US AS A PD, WE COULD HAVE FIXED THE PROBLEMS. WE COULD HAVE ASKED TO YOU GO BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IN THIS CASE, WE CAN'T DO THAT. BUT MIND YOU, WE ARE WATCHING. WE PAY ATTENTION. YOU COME BACK TO US. YOU WILL COME BACK TO US AGAIN FOR SOMETHING ELSE. AND I AM GOING TO EXPECT TO SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WORK THANK YOU DONE. BECAUSE THAT WHAT MATTERS HERE. WE ARE ALL SCARED. WE ARE ALL WORRIED OF OF ADDITIONAL DENSITY BUT WE KNOW THAT SOUTH TAMPA IS A PLACE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE. A BALANCE UNFORTUNATELY. I TONIGHT THINK THAT -- LIKE I AM NOT THRILLED WITH IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THE LAW IS THE LAW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA WAS NEXT. MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD. I HAVEN'T SPOKE PRIOR FOR THIS, BUT I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT I WANT TO ENSURE THAT COUNCIL'S MOTION IS NOT -- WHATEVER ITS DECISION IS INDIVIDUALLY IS NOT BASED ON A NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY AND MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I KNOW YOU KNOW IT, BUT I HAVE TO STATE IT FOR THE RECORD. THAT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT IN YOUR CODE. AND, AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T GO UNSAID SO YOU ARE CLEAR THAT CANNOT FORM THE IT HE THE BASIS OF A DECISION. BASED ON COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. SHELBY, I DID NOT SAY THAT MY DECISION WOULD BE BASED ON THAT. I SAID THAT IS WHAT WE ARE EXPECTING AND THAT WILL BE IN THE LAND DOME EVER DEVELOPMENT. THAT WILL BE IN THE UPCOMING -- BUT WE FOUND DEVELOPERS FOLLOWING DO THAT AND THE REASON WE DON'T HAVE WASTE EVERYBODY'S TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY TO BE HERE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MAY SAY MY FEELING. I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. I THINK WHAT SHE SAID WAS FROM HER HEART. NOT FROM ANYTHING ABOUT I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE YOU FOR THE OTHER. AND I THINK SHE SAID IT WRITE. I THINK SHE WAS VERY ELOQUENT THE WAY SHE SAID IT. NEVER DEVIATED FROM THE FACT OF LAW. IN MY OPINION, I AM NOT A LAWYER OR A JUDGE. I WILL SAY WHAT YOU SAY IS FACTUAL AND THE STATEMENT WAS REALLY IN THE LAST SEVEN, EIGHT MONTHS, WE HAD -- I SAW SOME THINGS THAT -- I SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND DEVELOPER GET TOGETHER AND SAY A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. WHAT I AM SAYING COMMUNICATE SOMETHING BETTER THAN NOT COMMUNICATING. AND THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY. IN THE PAST LITTLE COMMUNICATING AND EVERYTHING WHERE EVERYTHING IS ABOUT BUILD-OUT THE SO YOU BETTER HAVE COMMUNICATIONS BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO BE LEFT OUT OF. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND CLENDENIN. >>LUIS VIERA: REALLY FAST IN TERMS OF MY THOUGHTS. I APPRECIATE YAIPTED THE -- IRGUESS THE MEASURED PAIN THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WAS SAYING IN TERMS OF COME TO OUR DECISION. I GET FRUSTRATION OF THOSE NEXT ARE HERE. SOUTH TAMPA IS AN AREA WHERE A LOT POOF PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE AND A LOT OF FRUSTRATION OF THOSE WANT TO LIVE THERE. I APPRECIATE THAT 110%. THIS COMES DOWN TO OTHER ISSUES WHICH -- IF THERE IS A RULE, DON'T HATE THE PLAYER, HATE THE GAME, RIGHT. WHICH ARE THE FOLKS WHO ARE HERE THAT ARE SEEKING TO DEVELOP THIS. THERE ARE RULES THEY ARE ABIDING BY, AND -- AND IF WE -- MY OPINION SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, IF WE WERE TO DENY THIS THROUGH OUR MEASURES OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND THE COURT SYSTEM AND DAMAGES ASSESSED AGAINST THE CITY OF TAMPA IN A CASE LIKE THIS WILL BE TOURETTE. A CASE BY WISH I FEEL AND INDIVIDUALLY FROM MY REVIEW WE WOULDN'T HAVE A REALLY GOOD SHOT I TELL PEOPLE I DON'T LIKE TO WRITE CHECKS THAT WILL BOUNCE. IF WE WERE TO DENY IT, IT WOULD ULTIMATELY BOUNCE AND CAUSE BIG OVERDRAFT FEES TO THE CITY OF TAMPA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM GLAD I HAD A FEW MONTHS. I DON'T KNOW WHO THE GUY IS IN THE BLUE JACKET AND THE LIGHT BLUE SHIRT. IF THIS WAS AS COURT OF LAW, I WOULD THROW YOU OUT FOR THE FACIAL EXPRESSIONS. IT WAS COMPLETELY DISRESPECTFUL AND NEVER WALK IN A CHAMBER AND WHAT IS BEST WITH THE COMMUNITY IN ACCORDANCE ACCOUNT LAWS. I FOUND THAT COMPLETELY DISRESPECTFUL. WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID Y'ALL SHOULD LISTEN. YOU WILL COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL AGAINST AND YOU WILL ASK FOR THINGS AND ASK FOR OUR GRACEWHAT SHE WAS SAYING TO YOU GUY IS SPOT DAMN ON. YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT IT DECISION. I DON'T LIKE IT. I AM LOOKING AT THE SAME LAWS THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT. I THINK THAT COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA IS RIGHT WHEN HE SAYS -- DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO LIKE IT. DON'T LIKE THIS PROJECT. I THINK IT IS TERRIBLE. I THINK Y'ALL COULD HAVE DONE SO MUCH BET PER THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE OF PROPERTY IN CITY OF TAMPA OPINIONED YOU COULD HAVE DONE BET EVERY. JUST LIKE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU HADDED TO HAVE TWO ACCESSES. EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS ONLY? I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE THAT WAS SOMETHING Y'ALL COULD HAVE STIPULATED TO FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. POSSIBLY? I DON'T KNOW. WE ARE PLAYING WITH WORD DEFINITION WHAT IS DIRECT ACCESS IS. COULD YOU HAVE BROUGHT A BETTER PLAN HERE? YOU KNEW -- I KNOW FOR A FACT MANY OF HAVE YOU BEEN SITTING IN HERE WHEN TALKING OF GARAGE SIZES. WHY WOULD YOU COME BEFORE US -- I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, RIGHT, BECAUSE MY STAFF PERSON SAYS -- WHY NOT COME WITH THOSE FEW EXTRA INCHES SO SATISFYING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA. I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. YOU GUYS ARE ALL LAND DEVELOPERS. YOU COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL AND ASK US FOR STUFF. GOING TO COME BEFORE US AGAIN. YOU KNOW WITH THE REFERENCE TO LIVE LOCAL. WE ALL UNDERSTAND IT. I DON'T APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN AND LECTURING US. I GET IT. YOU HAVE RIGHTS. IF YOU HAVE RIGHTS, EXERCISE YOUR DAMN RIGHTS. DON'T HOLD KNIFE OVER OUR NECKS WITH IT. WE GET IT. WE UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE RIGHTS. YOU HAVE LAND DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND YOU KNOW WHAT, I AM GOING TO VOTES FOR YOU BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND -- YOU GET THIS ONE TODAY. BUT JUST KNOW WHEN YOU COME BACK HERE NEXT TIME, I'M GOING TO BE THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF NOT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I JUST WANT TO SAY IN GIVING IT MY FIRST SHOT AND ACTUALLY APPROVING OR UPHOLDING A DECISION. THE FACT THAT 350 UNITS COULD BE BUILT UNDER LIVE LOCAL IS THE ALTERNATIVE. AND 127 TOWN HOMES BY I ACTUALLY THOUGHT WERE VERY NICE, BY THE WAY, THOUGHTFUL. GROUND FLOOR. THE GARAGE. AND PROBABLY THE SECOND AND SECOND AND THIRD FLOOR WERE THE LIVING SPACES AND A ROOFTOP I AM SURE PEOPLE WON'T HANG OUT EVERY SINGLE DAY WHICH HAS HEIGHT FOR THEIR PRIVACY AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBOR'S PRIVACY AND THAT CONSIDERATION. I HAVE LEARNED IN THIS ROLE OF MINE. ACROSS KENNEDY BOULEVARD IS THE MOST POPULAR PLACE. PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE THERE. NOT PEOPLE WHO NECESSARILY LOOK LIKE ME, Y'ALL WANT TO LIVE THERE. AND IT IS TRUE BECAUSE IT COMES TO US SO MUCH. ALTHOUGH THERE ARE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES OVER BY THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA. THAT IS NOT BEING PRESENTED TO US. IS THERE IS JUST -- SOUTH TAMPA IS JUST SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE. EVEN PEOPLE WHO MOVE HERE. THEY FIND OUT SOUTH TAMPA FIRST. THAT IS WHERE THEY GO LOOKING. IT IS JUST A FACT AND 127 NICE TOWN HOMES IS REASONABLE. I DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL DISRUPT TRAFFIC TOO MUCH. BUT I DO EMPATHIZE WITH YOU ALL THAT COME DOWN AND FIGHT EVERY SINGLE DAY, YOU KNOW, SAYING THAT SOUTH TAMPA IS FULL. I UNDERSTAND THAT TO A POINT. I REALLY, REALLY DO. BUT TODAY I THINK WITH THE ATTORNEYS SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD TAKE LEGAL RECOURSE. THEY SAID IT VERY NICELY AND ALSO TRUE. BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE ARE -- BECAUSE OF DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE THAT THEY STILL HAVE LEGAL RIGHTS AND WE HAVE TO FACE THAT AND THAT COSTS THE CITY EVEN MORE MONEY. I CONSIDERED THAT FACTOR AS WELL. THANK YOU, CHAIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I LIKE LIVING NORTH OF TAMPA BAY AND SOUTH OF HILLSBOROUGH. THAT IS JUST ME. BUT IN LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY, IF IT WAS A BUSY SHOPPING CENTER LIKE IT USED TO BE. A LOT OF TRAFFIC. DAY IN AND DAY OUT. FULLY STOCKED LIKE IT WAS, IT WOULD BE EVEN WORSE. I THINK THIS IS A -- IS A -- THE LOWEST IMPACT -- THE LOWEST TRAFFIC IS RESIDENTIAL IS THE -- IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. I THINK DENYING THIS AS COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA SAID PUTS NEWS PERIL BECAUSE SO MUCH MORE CAN BE DONE. I BELIEVE THIS IS ONE OF THE LOWEST IMPACTFUL DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU CAN PUT AS IT IS. I THINK THIS IS THE BEST ROUTE TO GO. YES, IT IS NOT PERFECT. YES, THERE ARE CONCERN. BUT I THINK THIS WOULD BE THE RIGHT MOVE IN SUPPORTING IT. COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO SAY AGAIN THAT NO CASE IS SIMPLE. NONE THAT COMES HERE. HOWEVER, SOME ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT. THIS IS ONE OF THEM. WHEN I LOOK AT THE AUDIENCE -- I COUNT THAT I KNOW, I KNOW 80% OF THE PUBLIC. THE OTHER LADY LIVES ON. ED OTHER ON CLEVELAND. I DON'T KNOW WHICH ADDRESS BUT I CAN NAME NAME THEM ALL. SO IT IS NOT EASY. I WROTE SO MANY NOTES IN SHORTHAND THAT I CAN'T EVEN READ THEM. IT IS A PROCESS THAT IS DIFFICULT. NOT EASY TO BE HERE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. WHAT I LEARNED TO AND SOMEBODY HAD TO LEARN TODAY THAT NEXT TIME THE GARAGE AND CRITERIA BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO CHANGE VERY SOON. MAKE SURE YOUR SETBACKS ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE. YOU KNOW WHAT, EVERYTHING IN LIFE CHANGES. WHY IS THAT PROPERTY VALUABLE NOW. BECAUSE IT WASN'T WORTH A DAMN WHEN IT WAS A BIG SHOPPING CENTER. ALL WILL CHANGE TO WHAT? INTERNALLY LIVABLE OF WHATEVER YOU NEED. INCLUDING DOCTORS. SO WE ARE CHANGING AMERICA. USED TO BE YBOR CITY AND DOWNTOWN. IT IS NORTH GATE AND BRITTON PLAZA. THAT IS GONE IN A WAY COMING BACK. AND NOW YOU LOOK AT THINGS IN LIFE TO CHANGE. WHY? BECAUSE LAZY. AMAZON DELIVERS THE NEXT DAY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO MOVE. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON OPINION AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I HAVE GOT TO LEARN HOW TO USE A COMPUTER, I GUESS, OR I WON'T BE ABLE TO EAT. THESE ARE THE THINGS COMING AROUND AND YOU HAVE TO LEARN THESE THINGS AND GO DOWN THE HOLE. YOU CAN'T MAKE IT. YOU HAVE TO DO THINGS IN LIFE THAT ARE DIFFICULT. I WILL BE SUPPORTING IT NOT BECAUSE MY COLLEAGUES SPOKE THAT WAY. BECAUSE I FELT THE SAME WAY THEY DID ON WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO ME, THE 127 UNITS. COULD HAVE GONE FURTHER, HIGHER AND MORE DENSITY; HOWEVER, WOULD YOU HAVE MORE PROBLEMS IF YOU HAD GONE BIGGER. THAT IS ALL I WANT TO SAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE CLOSED. MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. OPINION AMENDMENT FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND IT WAS ACCEPTED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVE THE AMENDMENTS AS WELL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REGARDING THE GARAGE LENGTH. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, 19 FOOT 10 INCHES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: 19 FOOT 10 INNER LOOP INCHES OF INCHES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET'S REOPEN IT FOR THE SAKE OF CLARITY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 18.9 FIGHTS TO 19 BY 10 INCHES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT IS NOT CORRECT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO RE REOPEN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR TO REOPEN. MR. HUDSON -- >> TYLER HUDSON FOR THE RECORD. WHAT WE PROPOSED AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IS THAT EACH PARKING SPACE IS 19 FEET 10 INCHES BY 10 FEET. AND EACH OF OUR -- EACH GARAGE CONTAINS TWO OF THOSE PARKING SPACES SO THE DIMENSIONS WOULD BE 19 FEET 10 INCHES BY 20 FEET. BUT I THINK THE WAY THE VOCABULARY OF THE SITE PLAN BY REFERENCE. 19 FEET 10 INCHES BY 10 FEET IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I ASK IF STAFF CONCURS WITH UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT CONDITION IS? >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL AMEND MY AMENDMENT TO BE EACH SPACE WILL BE 19 FEET, 10 INCHES BY TEN FEET. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ACCEPTED. >> COME UP HERE. LET'S GET THIS RIGHT. IT IS ONE PARKING SPACE -- >> WELL -- BRIAN WILL HE BLANK, HOMES BY WEST BAY. TOTAL TWO-CAR GARAGE 19 FEET, TEN INCHES BY -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: CLEARLY FORCED RECORD, SIR IF BRIAN WILL HE BLANK BY HOMES BY WEST BAY. >> IF I CAN EXPLICITLY HERE BECAUSE THIS DOES MATTER. WHAT WE LIST ON THE SITE PLAN IS 254 PARKING SPACES. THERE ARE TWO SPACES PER GARAGE. SO ONE PARKING SPACE IS 19 FEET 10 INCHES BY TEN FEET. ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? FIELDS WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS APPROVING WITH A CONDITION. THEIR CONDITION WILL SAY THAT THE SPACES WITHIN THE GARAGE NEED TO BE -- SO THAT WON'T IMPACT YOUR SURFACE SPACES. >> UNDERSTOOD. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THEY ARE SPEAKING TO THE GARAGE SPACES. >> THE SURFACE SPACES ARE GARAGE SPACES. >>ABBYE FEELEY: CAPTURE IT WITH THE GARAGE 19 FEET, 10 INCHES BY 20 FEET. UNLESS YOU HAVE SINGLE GARAGES. >> WE DON'T. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SINCE WE ARE OPEN, CAN YOU GUYS STIPULATE THAT OAK ELLER -- WHY CAN'T I SAY -- THAT STREET THAT RUNS BEHIND THIS PROPERTY THAT IS EMERGENCY ACCESS -- CAN IT BE STRICTLY EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY? TO BUILD THE PROJECT WITH EMERGENCY ACCESS ONLY? >> WE CAN'T DO THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I ASK YOU WHY NOT? GIVE ME SOMETHING -- >> PAINT A PICTURE ON SUNDAY 127 RESIDENTS GOING FAST GRACE FAMILY CHURCH, WHEN CHURCH IS IN SESS SESSION. >>. >> IT'S NEEDED. >> THERE IS A REQUIREMENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU IMAGINE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIDE -- YOU ARE SAYING NOW WE THROW OUT 120 RESIDENTS. >> IT IS RIGHT -HANDED ONLY. >> WE ACCEPTED THE CONDITION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTIONING TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. NOW WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA WITH THAT AMENDMENT. WE HAVE THE MEASUREMENTS ON RECORD. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>LYNN HURTAK: BEGRUDGINGLY YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BEGRUDGINGLY YES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >> MOTION PASSES WITH CARLSON VOTING NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS. IT HAS BEEN THREE HOURS. WE ARE RECESSED FOR FIVE MINUTES. >>LYNN HURTAK: BEGRUDGINGLY YES. IT HAS BEEN THREE HOURS. . >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS CITY OF TAMPA MEETING TO ORDER. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: MY FIRM USES ONE OR MORE OF THESE LAW FIRMS ON ITEM 35. I CLEARED IT WITH MARTY IN ADVANCE BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK HIM ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OFF-LINE. SO NOT TO RECUSE MYSELF NOW. I MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM 35 TO JUNE 5th. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 35. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST THAT. THIS IS WHY. I DON'T SEE -- UNLESS THIS ABSOLUTELY CAUSES NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER FOR OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT -- AND I WOULD LIKE TO INQUIRE ON THAT. I THINK WE CAN EASILY PASS THIS. CITY CAN RETAIN ATTORNEYS WHEN THINGS COME UP ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS AND SO FORTH. UNLESS IS GOING TO BE LIKE A TIE VOTE AND COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON NEEDS TO ACQINQUIRE ON THIS ISS >>ANDREA ZELMAN: ANDREA ZELMAN. CITY ATTORNEY. I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING THE CONFLICT QUESTION. >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO BE ABLE TO ASK -- MY FIRM USES ONE OR MORE OF THESE FIRMS AS LEGAL COUNSEL AND I WANT TO ASK MARTY. I THOUGHT I CLEARED HIM IN ADVANCE AND I REALIZE I HAVE TO HIM MORE QUESTIONS. SO AS TO NOT RECUSE MYSELF, I ASK TO DEFER THIS UNTIL JUNE 5. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YOUR FIRM IS USING THESE LAW FIRMS IS NOT A VOTING CONFLICT. >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS. I CAN RECUSE MYSELF OR DEFER IT. HIS QUESTION IF IT WOULD DISRUPT THE BUSINESS OF THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, I WOULD RECUSE MYSELF. IF NOT, WE WILL DEFER IT FOR TWO WEEKS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I TALKED TO TWO LAWYERS TODAY ABOUT THIS. >>MORRIS MASSEY: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, YOUR SON-IN-LAW WORKS FOR ONE OF THE LAW FIRMS AND YOU MUD IS RECUSE YOURSELF ON THE VOTE. WE ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING ON A $ 100,000. WE ARE BUMPING UP AND EXCEEDING IT IN A COUPLE OF CASES AND THE REASON WE ARE ASKING TO YOU MOVE ON IT. CAN WE WAIT UNTIL JUNE 5, I GUESS WE CAN. BUT WE NEED TO MOVE ON THIS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM DOING IT BECAUSE I HAVE TO, NOT BECAUSE I WANT TO. >>MORRIS MASSEY: I UNDERSTAND, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE. >>LUIS VIERA: MR. MASSEY, YOU ARE OKAY WITH A CONTINUANCE? >>MORRIS MASSEY: BUT WE NEED TO -- WE CAN'T HAVE THIS CONTINUED ON AND ON AND ON. IF THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT -- TO HAVE CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONTINUE ITEM 35 FOR JUNE 5. MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE -- WHAT, WITH THE SUBSTITUTE BECAUSE A CORRECTION THERE WITH ONE OF THE FIRMS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SUBSTITUTE WITH A CORRECTION. THE MOTION TO CONTINUE WAS BY -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND A SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: CLENDENIN MADE THE SECOND. AND MR. MIRANDA WILL BE ABSTAINING? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOTION TO CONTINUE NUMBER 35 TO JUNE 5, 2025. >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>BILL CARLSON: DO I NEED TO ABSTAIN FROM THAT? >>LYNN HURTAK: BILL AND CHARLIE ARE ABSTAINING. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIES WITH CARLSON AND MIRANDA ABSTAINING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: I. MY MOTHER IS IN TOWN -- SO I HAVE TO LEAVE AT SOME POINT RELATIVELY NOT TOO LONG FROM NOW. SO I HE DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A WAY WE COULD POSSIBLY LOOK AT A DIFFERENT DATE FOR MIDYEAR REVIEW? I MEAN, IT IS ALSO 5:00. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG PEOPLE WANT TO STAY HERE. WE HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTIONS. THESE ARE LONG CONVERSATIONS. I JUST DON'T SEE US HAVING THE ABILITY TO DO THAT TODAY. BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT JUNE 5 IS PACKED. SO WHAT DO YOU ALL WANT TO DO? DO WE DO A DIFFERENT DAY? WHAT DO WE DO? BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE MENTAL CAPACITY NOW TO GET THROUGH IT ALL AND I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT ALL OF US ARE TIRED AFTER THAT LONG HEARING AT LEAST MENTALLY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYTHING CRITICAL ON THIS AGENDA THAT WE CAN NOT HAVE FOR A DATE TO BE DETERMINED. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE PROBLEM IS NOT A DATE TO BE DETERMINED THAT IS NOT FAR OFF. THE ISSUE IS, THEY NEED THAT RESOLUTION PASSED. THE BUDGET RESOLUTION NEEDS TO GET PASSED IN A DECENT AMOUNT OF TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT THURSDAY AT THE END OF THE WORKSHOP. >>LYNN HURTAK: MY ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT WE HAVE THE GIANT PLANNING COMMISSION VOTE THAT NIGHT. THE ONE THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN 200 E-MAILS ABOUT, THAT IS COMING THAT NIGHT SO I JUST -- I THINK IT WILL BE A LONG -- I MEAN -- I DON'T WANT TO ADD ANOTHER MEETING ON THE 29th, BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF US WILL BE OUT OF TOWN OR OTHERWISE INDISPOSED. WE COULD DO THE 29th. NEVER MIND, OUR LAWYER IS NOT GOING TO BE HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUNE 26, THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL REGULAR SESSION. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, JUNE 26. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MAKE A MOTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU WANT TO MAKE INQUIRY OF STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT IS ACCEPTABLE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT MR. PERRY, THE MIDYEAR REVIEW THAT YOU WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. >>LYNN HURTAK: FILE NUMBER F 25-14353 AND ITEM 77, FILE NUMBER CM 25-13402. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY WITH YOU? >> MIKE PERRY, BUDGET OFFICER. I AM OKAY BUT I HAD FINANCIAL ADVISOR HERE SINCE 1:30. AND BOND COUNSEL HERE FOR A WHILE. NOW ON JUNE 5 OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, WE ARE GOING TO BRING FORWARD TO COUNCIL A BOND RESOLUTION REQUESTING THE ISSUANCE OF $65 MILLION IN NONAD VALOREM REVENUE BONDS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT THAT WITH THAT. JUNE 5 AND -- TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE ON THAT ONE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM FINE WITH THAT ONE. SO 73. FILE NUMBER F 25-14353 MOVING TO JUNE 5 TO GO ALONG WITH THE $65 MILLION BUDGET BOND RESOLUTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU SAID SOMETHING ELSE THAT WILL BE MOVED AS WELL. >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT AT THIS TIME. DO I HAVE A SECOND. >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. 77 FOR JUNE 26. >>LYNN HURTAK: FILE NUMBER 2 25-13402 TO MOVE TO JUNE 26. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OUR AGENDA REVIEW. 80 AND 18. I WOULD LIKE TO RESCIND THAT -- 80 AND 81. I WOULD LIKE TO RESCIND THAT. >>LUIS VIERA: ACTUALLY, IF I MAY. FOR 81, I DID NEED TO SPEAK ON THAT. BECAUSE YOU GUYS GO THE A LETTER FROM THE FOREST HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ASKING THAT THE SPORTS RECREATION FIELD BE NAMED AFTER ROLAND PAZ SR. WHICH I FULLY SUPPORT. WE WILL NEED TO HAVE A BRIEF DISCUSSION. MISS VAN LOAN IS HERE. BUT -- AND I WILL TELL YOU WHAT. THIS A COMPLIMENT TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IF SHE SAYS SHE IS TIRED. BECAUSE SHE ALWAYS HAS A LOT OF ENERGY FOR THESE MEETINGS. BUT SO FOR 81, I WOULD BE FINE WITH MOVING THAT TO ANOTHER DATE. BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ANOTHER -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ADD THAT TO THE END OF THE WORKSHOP. >>LUIS VIERA: FINE. IT WILL TAKE TEN MINUTES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE END OF NEXT WEEK'S WORKSHOP. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO STAFF FOR 80 AND MOVE THE OTHER ONE. >>LYNN HURTAK: MAY 22. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE NOT THERE YET. WE WILL TO THAT NOW AFTER THIS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SKIPPED 80. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: RECEIVED AND FILED THE 80. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA IS UP. WHAT IS YOUR DEADLINE NOW? >>LUIS VIERA: WITH THIS? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LEAVING SO WE DON'T USE YOU. >>LUIS VIERA: NOVEMBER -- I SOUGHT -- WE WILL GET IT IN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT. RESIG RESIGNING. >>LUIS VIERA: FREEDOM HIGH SCHOOL -- IT SAYS -- SAYS 45 MINUTES MORE OR LESS. 27 MINUTES, GUYS, I AM OUT. >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, HE PULLED 45 AND 46 I PULLED ONLY TO -- IT WAS ON CONSENT. I PULLED IT TO SIMP THREE VOTE NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, WAIT, WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF. 80 WAS A RECEIVE AND FILE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY -- I MOVE 81 TO BE HEARD. AND AGAIN SHOULD NOT TAKE MORE THAN FIVE OR TEN MINUTES ON JUNE 6, IF I MAY. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THOUGHT WE SAID MAY 22 AT THE END. HOW ABOUT AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE WORKSHOP SOME THAT -- BECAUSE OUR WORKSHOPS TEND TO BE EBB AND FLOW. SO LET'S DO IT FIRST THING. >>LUIS VIERA: GOOD IDEA. >>LYNN HURTAK: SEE HER LOVELY FACE FIRST THING IN THE MORNING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR ITEM 81 TO BE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MORNING EARS WORKSHOP. MAY 22. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT. AND -- SO WE GO -- COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. YOU PULLED 45 AND 46. >>BILL CARLSON: THE CONSENT AGENDA. I PULLED IT TO VOTE NO. I DON'T NEED A DISCUSSION. I WANTED TO VOTE NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT FOR ONE LITTLE BIT IF YOU DON'T MIND. SINCE WE HAVE RELATED PEOPLE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE. SINCE WE ARE KIND OF OPENING THIS UP AMONG MANY THINGS. DISCUSSIONS, WHAT. HE GOING TO SAY. TWO THINGS. ONE, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION OF THE COUNTY BUILDING THIS FACILITY ACROSS THE STREET. WHICH HAS HAPPENED SUBSEQUENT TO THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT AND THE DISCUSSION OF THE YELLOWJACKETS FORMALLY RESIDENTS OF THE PROPERTY AND PLAYING SOMEWHERE ELSE. SOME WAY TO GET AN AGREEMENT WITH RELATED TO REENTER CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ABOUT THE -- ABOUT THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT TO -- TO WORK ON BE THIS -- THESE PROJECTS TOGETHER? I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A RELUCTANCE TO KIND OF REOPEN THAT. SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD WORK TO YOUR BENEFIT AS A DEVELOPER BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ARE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON PARTS OF THE CB THAT MAYBE WE CAN FIGURE OUT A COMPROMISE THAT WOULD MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. AT LEAST HAVE SOME KIND OF DISCUSSION TO TALK ABOUT IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: REMEMBER, WE BROUGHT THAT UP -- CHAIR YOU, YOU WANT TO RECOGNIZE ME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: TO FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. I BROUGHT THAT UP, AND THIS AGREEMENT WITH RELATED GROUP EXISTS AND LOCKED IN STONE IN TERMS OF THE PROPERTY PORTION OF IT. SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPORT THE YELLOWJACKETS, BECAUSE THAT -- YOU KNOW, THAT WAS -- THAT WAS A BIG, BIG ISSUE FOR ME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN WE ASK -- WE ARE GOING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. CAN WE ASK THAT -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: I NEED TO FINISH TALKING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: LET MR. CLENDENIN FINISH WHAT HE IS SAYING. >> THE PLAYERS IS SITTING IN FRONT OF US AND SOMETHING THAT IS CONSTANTLY TALKED ABOUT. ENTER INTO THE DISCUSSION AND REOPENING THAT COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE NEW REALITIES OF WHERE WE ARE IN 2025 VERSUS MAYBE WHERE WE STARTED WITH THE COUNTY'S PROJECT ACROSS THE STATE AND WITH MAYBE HELPING -- MAYBE THERE IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL. >>GWEN HENDERSON: DIDN'T WE USE THE WORD "EXTORTION." PUTTING THEM ON THE SPOT TO SAY THEY SHOULD OPEN THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT, AND, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER STANDING RIGHT HERE BEFORE US. WHEN THERE IS PROGRESS ON ROME YARD. AND THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD REALLY TALK ABOUT IF WE WILL TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT. THE FACT PROGRESS AND WE CAN'T LET THE PUBLIC COMMENT GO BY AND LEAPT THE PUBLIC THINK THAT IS REALLY TRUE WHEN WE HAVE A TIMELINE. WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE HUD -- WAITING FOR CLEARANCE FROM HUD BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES ON THE PROPERTY AND REMEMBER A SITE WHERE ALL OF OUR TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING MAINTENANCE WAS -- WAS LOCATED, SO THERE WAS SOME THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE THAT HELD THAT UP. AND IF WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT, THAT IS THE PART WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY A REALITY AS IT RELATES TO THIS PROJECT, NOT THE WHAT IFS. AND TO THE POINT ABOUT THE CULTURAL CENTER. REMEMBER A COUNTY SITUATION. AND THERE IS A REVERTER CLAUSE ON THAT LAND. THAT IS A WHOLE ANOTHER CAN OF WORMS AND THAT ONE CAN HE WANT TALK ABOUT BECAUSE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PRESENTED TO US IF WE ARE GOING TO REMOVE THAT REVERT CLAUSE. SO THAT DISCUSSION WOULD BE A MOOT POINT, DESPITE WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE -- THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER OR WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THAT LAND. NOT NECESSARILY A REALITY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, NEVER MIND. GIVE ME A CALL WHEN YOU HAVE A CHANCE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MISS FEELEY, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD. >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD AFTERNOON, ADMINISTRATOR OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. WE WERE PREPARED TO MAKE A QUITE PRESENTATION ON ROMERA. THIS WAS ON CONSENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I SAY CALL THE QUESTION ON IT. >> NOW THAT WE ARE AT THE PODIUM AND WHAT HAD YOU JUST MENTIONED, IF I MAY, JUST A FEW THINGS. THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT -- AND IN THIS PROJECT, I AM REALLY MANAGING THIS PROJECT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH RELATED WHO WAS GIVEN THAT RELATED URBAN THAT WAS GIVEN -- AWARDED THAT RFP. REBECCA AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THE LEASES AND A TON OF OTHER THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT. AND I DID -- I DO WANT TO PASS THIS TIME LINE OUT. BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN MULTIPLE TIMES WHEN IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT NOTHING IS BEING DONE AT ROME YARD AND CONCERNING TO ME BECAUSE A LOT IS BEING DONE AT ROME YARD. JUST NOT VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION THAT WE ARE ALL USED TO. I WANT TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION YOU WITH SO YOU HAVE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IN MULTIPLE COPIES OR -- >>ABBYE FEELEY: THERE IS AS COPY FOR EACH OF YOU. THAT BEING SAID, PHASE -A, THE AMENDED LEASE BEFORE YOU TODAY BECAUSE RELATED HAS RECEIVED THEIR FUNDING AND CONDITION IN THAT FUNDING THAT NEEDED ADJUSTMENTS AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE BRINGING TO YOU TODAY IF THE PROJECT GETS DOWN THE ROAD, THAT COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT THAT WAS WORKED ON WITH THE COMMUNITY, IF THERE COMES A PIVOT POINT IN THIS PROJECT THAT THAT COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT SHOULD BE REEEOPENED. THAT WILL COME TO YOU A WENT HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. BURR WE ARE NOT THERE TODAY. A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS GOING ON WITH THE OTHER CULTURAL SENT EARNED WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT WORK WITH. WHAT WAS WORKED ON AND AGREED ON IT TO THE COMMUNITY AND BROUGHT TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL IS WHAT ON THE BOOKS TODAY AND MOVING FORWARD. UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THIS PROJECT MAY GET TO A DIFFERENT POINT IN A DIFFERENT TIME WHEN THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE REOPENED AND DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL MAY COME FOR THAT TO BE REOPENED, WE ARE NOT THERE YET. WHERE WE ARE IS THAT THERE SHOULD BE PERMITS BEING ISSUED HERE SHORTLY. VERT CONSTRUCTION WILL START. WE ARE ALWAYS THERE IS TO DISCUSS THIS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I CALL THE QUESTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CLENDENIN IS MOVING 45 AND 46. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM SAYING LET'S MOVE 45 AND 46. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I KNOW. ALL RIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN WITH 45 AND 46. HE HAS MOVED IT. SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES OUR AGENDA AND GO TO NEW BUSINESS. COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS BUT WANT TO MAKE THAT ONE MOTION FIRST, BECAUSE I WAS ON THE PREVAILING SIDE OF -- OF A VOTE ON THE LAST REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE VOTE FOR CHAIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, DO WE HAVE A SECOND. >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA IS A SECOND. AND COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, YOU HAD YOUR MICROPHONE ON. >>LUIS VIERA: THEN I WAS GOING TO MAKE COMMENTS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. FOR THE FIRST TIME, I DID READ THE MEMO THAT WAS PROVIDED TO OUR CHAIR FROM THE MAYOR, AND I ASKED OUR ATTORNEY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, SISTER WITHIN HER RIGHT TO WRITE THE ACTUAL CHAIR A MEMO AND NOT COPY US. AND HE SAID, YES, SHE IS ENTITLED TO DO THAT. IT WASN'T LIKE IT WAS A SECRET. AND THE THING IS THAT WHEN I READ THROUGH IT, SHE ADDRESSED SOMETHING THAT SHE ALSO IS ENTITLED TO ADDRESS. SHE TALKED OF RESPECT AND STAFF AND HOW THEY ARE TREATED BY US. AND SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND SHE ACTUALLY PUT IT IN WRITING. THEN THE PART THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO ME IS ON THE SECOND PAGE, WHERE SHE DIDN'T TELL THE CHAIR WHAT TO DO. SHE ASKED FOR A WORKSHOP THAT -- A WORKSHOP AND IT WAS ABOUT THE WORKLOAD. ABOUT THE WORKLOAD. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT POINTS THAT I TOOK AWAY FROM THAT. THE STAFF IS CURRENTLY PREPARING OVER 60 REPORTS TO BE PRESENTED OR WRITTEN FOR COUNCIL. AND THAT IS THE PART WHERE SHE SAID A SPECIAL WORKSHOP TO ADDRESS SCHEDULING OF STAFF REPORTS AND WORKING WITH THE CHIEF -- CHIEF BENNETT, YOU KNOW, TO COMBINE SIMILAR REPORTS, ETC., ETC. THAT HAPPENED TO REASON IS BEEN FOLLOWED BY THE DECISION OF OUR DHIER CALL FOR A MEETING TO DISCUSS DECORUM AND ETC. WHICH HE IS ALSO ENTITLED TO DO. WHAT THE "TAMPA TRIBUNE" DECIDED TO REPORT AND WRITE ABOUT AS IF THE MEMO WAS A SECRET. AND NOW PRESENTED WHERE -- WHERE WE ARE GOING TO RECONSIDER THE CHAIR BECAUSE OF -- OF -- OF A MEMO THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT WHEN WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT IT. I THINK IT IS JUST REALLY EGREGIOUS. AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE IS MORE TO IT THAN WHAT I REALLY KNOW. AND HOPEFULLY THE COUNCIL MEMBER WILL ADDRESS THAT. BUT AS A BODY COLLECTIVELY, WE HAVE DONE SOME REALLY GREAT THINGS TOGETHER UP HERE ON THE DAIS. WE HAD MADE HARD DECISIONSS MOVING OUR CITY FORWARD. AND TO -- TO PUNISH IS THE ONLY WORD THAT I CAN THINK OF DURING OUR LUNCH BREAK IS THIS IS SOME FORM OF PUNISHMENT TO -- TO EVEN SUGGEST THAT THE CHAIRMANSHIP BE TAKEN AWAY FROM SOMEONE BECAUSE OF A MEMO THAT THE MAYOR WAS ACTUALLY ENTITLED TO WRITE AND PROVIDE TO THE CHAIR EVEN THOUGH SHE DID NOT COPY CITY COUNCIL ON IT. THANK YOU, CHAIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER, VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I THOUGHT OF THIS ISSUE A LOT SINCE THE MOTION WAS MADE AND SO FORTH. YOU KNOW, THERE IS -- EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN RATION RATION NAL /* /* RATIONAL EE WHY THEY VOTE DIFFERENT WAY. MY QUALIFICATION IS THAT THIS IS BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN RATIONAL AND PREROGATIVE WHY THEY WILL VOTE A CERTAIN WAY AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. MINE IS NARROWLY TAILORED. ON THE ISSUE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON DESCRIBED, I DON'T SEE THAT HAS TO JUSTIFY SOMEBODY FLIPPING THEIR VOTE. WE ARE SEVEN PEOPLE AND EVERYBODY IS IN CHARGE OF THEIR OWN VOTES. IF I HAD SUPPORTED COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO AS I HAVE DONE THREE TIMES IN THE PAST, I -- THAT WOULD NOT JUSTIFY, IN MY VIEW, FLIPPING MY; HOWEVER, THAT IS COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON'S PREROGATIVE TO DO WHAT HE WISHES. I SEE SOMETHING THAT IS NARROWLY TAILORED FOR ME. I DOMINATED ALAN CLENDENIN FOR CHAIR. SO, THEREFORE, IF THIS MOTION IS -- IS INTENDED TO SUPPORT COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN FOR CHAIR, I WOULD ACT CONSISTENT WITH HOW I VOTED LEAST WEEK. IF NOT, I WILL NOT ACT CONSISTENT WITH HOW I VOTED LAST WEEK BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE A CONSISTENT EXTENSION OF THE VOTE THAT I HAVE MADE. AGAIN, I VOTED FOR COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. NOTHING AGAINST COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. A FINE GENTLEMAN AND HAS DONE GREAT. I NOMINATED HIM TWICE FOR CHAIR AND VOTED FOR THEM THREE TIMES. ON ISSUES, ONE, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN WOULD DO A GOOD JOB. NUMBER TWO, I THINK ONE INDIVIDUAL MO MATTER TO THEY ARE. NOT A COMMENTARY ON COUNCIL MEMBER MARZ MANISCALCO. A GREAT GENTLEMAN WITH GREAT HEART AND COMPASSION. IT IS TOO MUCH. AND MY VOTE IS SOMETHING THAT IS NARROWLY TAILORED OF HOW I VOTE LAST TIME. OTHER PEOPLE'S VOTES ARE THEIR OWN PREROGATIVE. I AM EXPLAINING MINE HOW I ACT TO VOTE CONSISTENT LAST TIME. I DO NOT KNOW OF THE RATION MALL IN OF COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. MINE IS HOW I VOTED LAST TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO SAY, IF YOU HAVEN'T, WE HAVE GOT A MOTION TRACKER -- DID YOU GET THAT? IF YOU LOOK THROUGH IT, A LOT OF THINGS THAT ADMINISTRATION PUT ON TO BEGIN WITH. I JUST -- IF YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT IS -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR THAT POINT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DO HIGHLY RECOMMEND. WE PRINT IT OUT AND FOUND OURS AND WE MADE SURE THAT WE ARE TALKING TO STAFF AND THERE IS NOTHING THAT WE ARE EXTRA NEWS ON THERE EXTRANEOUS. I LOVE THIS AND I WOULD LIKE ACCESS TO IT MORE OFTEN, BECAUSE IT ALLOWS US TO THINK THIS A LITTLE MORE. I REALLY LIKED THIS. I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT DOCUMENT AND FOUND IT HIGHLY USEFUL. I RECOMMEND YOU PRINT IT OUT AND LOOK AT IT BECAUSE GAVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHERE DID YOU GET THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: IT WAS E-MAILED TO US BY -- I WANT TO SAY MY MICHAEL BISHOP. >>GWEN HENDERSON: DARLENE, I WANT ONE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THAT. SO AS FAR AS THE -- THE LETTER, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE. AND I WILL SAY THAT I DID ASK FOR AN AGENDA AND DIDN'T GET ONE. I GUESS THAT IS WHAT THIS WAS ALL ABOUT IS THIS. SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO MENTION WHAT YOU MENTIONED. AND TO HAVE EVERYBODY GET THIS MOTION TRACKER, BECAUSE IT IS REALLY COOL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I JUST -- ONE MORE THING. OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS WHATEVER ANYBODY RUNS FOR, A LOT OF POLITICAL CHAFFE OUT THERE. AND PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PUSH ANY NEGATIVE THING THEY CAN ABOUT ANYBODY. WE AS INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER ALL THOSE QUESTIONS AND NOT WORTH RESPONDING TO SOME OF THE CRAZY ALLEGATIONS, BUT THE REASON I CITED THIS MORNING BECAUSE OF THAT LETTER, BUT I ALSO THINK WE ARE GOING TO NEED SOMEBODY BE WHO WILL STRONGLY REPRESENT THE CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS AN ELECTED POSITION TO REPRESENT CITY COUNCIL. I HAVE KNOWN CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO FOR MANY YEARS. AND I RESPECT HIM. I WOULD NEVER MAKE A DECISION ABOUT AN APPOINTMENT OR SOMETHING STUPID LIKE THAT. I AM REALLY OFFENDED AND THAT SOME POLITICAL PEOPLE HAVE USED -- TRIED TO USE THE POLICE AS A POLITICAL FOOTBALL. OVER ITS LAST FEW DAYS. IT IS REALLY DISGUSTING BECAUSE HARD-WORKING MEN AND WOMEN OF PUBLIC SAFETY WHO PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE EVERY DAY DESERVE TO BE TREATED WITH RESPECT. IF PEOPLE WANT TO HONOR THEM AND RESPECT THEM, SHOULD NOT BECOME A POLITICAL ISSUE. WE SHOULD UNITE AND RESPECT THEM. THIS IS NOT -- THIS -- MY RECOMMENDATION TODAY IS ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT OVER THE NEXT YEAR THAT CITY COUNCIL IS ABLE, PER THE CHARTER, TO BE ON EQUAL FOOTING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION. AND WE OUGHT TO BE PROPERLY REPRESENTED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BEFORE WE GO FOR A VOTE, WE HAD OUR SPECIAL CALLED DISCUSSION LAST THURSDAY. AN ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN ABOUT IT. AND THE "TIMES" REPORTER IN THE BACK AND BACK AND FORTH WITH THE MAYOR'S ADMINISTRATION AND MR. SMITH AND COMMENTS IN THE ARTICLE AND COMMENTS MADE DURING THE SPELLINGS CALLED MEETING REGARDING THE LETTER AND THE ADMINISTRATION. WE WERE THERE. WE ALL KNOW. BUT I -- THE -- THE BASIS OF THIS MOTION TODAY I DON'T THINK HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE LETTER. IT HASES TO DO WITH AN APPOINTMENT TO -- HAS TO DO WITH AN APPOINTMENT ON PUBLIC SAFETY THAT I MADE ON MONDAY AND CHANGED ON TUESDAY. TO HIDE BEHIND THE FACT THAT THIS IS THE LETTER IS JUST A COP-OUT. I DON'T BELIEVE IT. AND I GUESS TO GET TO THIS POINT I THINK IS RIDICULOUS. AN ARTICLE CAME OUT YESTERDAY. ARTICLES ARE COMING OUT TODAY. BUSINESS JOURNAL ALREADY WROTE SOMETHING ABOUT IT THIS MORNING. I HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. THAT IS WHAT TRIGGERED THIS. AND HERE WE ARE WITH -- >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST SAID IT IS NOT WHAT TRIGGERED IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I PUT UP THE COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS ON MONDAY AND I CHANGED THEM ON TUESDAY. BASICALLY GOING BACK TO WHAT THEY WERE LAST YEAR. AND THAT IS WHAT I THINK TRIGGERED THIS. >>BILL CARLSON: PROBLEM IS POLITICAL OPERATIVES TURNED IT INTO A POLITICAL FOOTBALL WHICH THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE BECAUSE IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO POLICE. GOES WAY BEYOND THAT. DURING THE ORIGINAL LOOK VOTE, I WAS ON THE FENCE DECIDED BETWEEN THE TWO PEOPLE I WAS THINKING OF VOTING FOR, I WAS ON THE FENCE AND I DECIDED AS I WALKED IN. NOT SEEING THE LETTER AND BEING BLINDSIDED BY THAT. I -- I THINK IT GOES BACK TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HAVE SEEN OVER ITS LAST YEAR. NO DISRESPECT TO THE CHAIR -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE LETTER WAS NOT ADDRESSED TO YOU. >>BILL CARLSON: PROBLEM IS -- NOT JUST ABOUT CITY COUNCIL BUT TRANSPARENCY. NOTHING WAS ON BASE. AT THE BEGINNING WE SAID WHAT IS THIS MEETING ABOUT? NO AGENDA. NO DOCUMENTS. THAT LETTER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDED BY THE ADMINISTRATION OR THE CHAIR. BECAUSE THE CHAIR CALLED THE MEETING. THAT IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE. WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT WILL TALK TO THE ADMINISTRATION WITH STRENGTH AND RESPECT, BUT TALK TO THE ADMINISTRATION IN A WAY THAT LET'S US FULFILL OUR DUTIES ON THE CHARTER WHERE YOU SHOULDN'T TRY TO GET ANY MORE POWERS THAT ARE IN THE CLEARER BUT PROTECT THOSE DUTIES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF THE LETTER WITH THE MEETING ON THURSDAY. >>BILL CARLSON: I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE LETTER UNTIL I SAW THE ARTICLE AT THE END OF THE DAY. BEEN REF REFERENCED IT I DIDN'T KNOW THE SIGNIFICANCE UNTIL I SAW THE ARTICLE. ONCE I SAW THE -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: IS IT WORTH THE REMOVAL OF A CHAIRMANSHIP? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHY DO WE KEEP BEATING THIS DEAD HORSE. >>LYNN HURTAK: MISS FOX- KNOWLES IS HERE. SHOULD WE HEAR WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY. >>LUIS VIERA: CAN I ASK, IS YOUR INTENT TO SUPPORT ALAN CLENDENIN FOR CHAIR? >>BILL CARLSON: I UNDERSTAND TWO VOTES. ONE IS TO REOPEN IT AND SECOND, I WOULD SUPPORT ALAN CLENDENIN. NOT TO PUNISH EVERYBODY -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOT ABOUT PUNISHMENT, IT IS ABOUT REVENGE. I DIDN'T COME HERE FOR REVENGE. I CAME HERE TO SERVE THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. I KNOW WHAT IT IS. WE HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER A LONG TIME. TO GET TO THIS POINT. IT IS YOUR PREROGATIVE. YOU MADE THE MOTION, FINE. BUT THE TIMES HAVE REPORTED REGARDING OUR SPECIAL CALL. BUSINESS JOURNAL HAS REPORTED. FLORIDA POLITICS REPORTED YESTERDAY. AND WITHIN 24 HOURS, THIS MOTION IS HERE. I WOULD CALL IT SUSPICIOUS. >>BILL CARLSON: THAT IS BEING PROMOTED BY POLITICAL OPERATIVES AND POLITICAL AGENDA. AND -- I KNOW WHO IS BEHIND IT. I AM GOING TO DO SOME PUBLIC RECORDS AND PROVE IT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. BUT THE MEANTIME, THIS IS ABOUT REPRESENTING CITY COUNCIL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOTION TO END DEBATE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. AND A SECOND -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: UNLESS YOU JUST WANT TO CALL IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO END THE DEBATE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION NOW FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. WE CAN DO A ROLL CALL VOTE. THIS IS TO RECONSIDER THE CHAIRMANSHIP. AND THEN WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT. OKAY, ROLL CALL VOTE. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO. >>CLERK: MOTION PASSES WITH MIRANDA, HENDERSON AND MANISCALCO VOTING NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MI MISS FOXX-KNOWLES, DO YOU HAVE TO TAKE CONTROL? THIS IS FOR CHAIRMAN. AND THEN WE WILL FIGURE OUT THE REST. >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: IS THERE A MOTION? >>MARTIN SHELBY: QUESTION. >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: YES, SIR. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER TO PUT COUNCIL ON THE SAME STEAD AS IT WAS ON MAY 1. AT WHAT TIME, THERE WERE NOMINATIONS MADE. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED WAS THEN YOU CALLED FOR VOTES ON THE NOMINATION IN THE ORDER OF WHICH THEY WERE MADE. >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: YES, INDEED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO BE IN A POSITION -- DO YOU WANT TO ANNOUNCE THE NOMINATIONS OR HAVE THE NOMINATIONS ANNOUNCED AGAIN AS THEY WERE OR THEY CAME -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN MISS SHIRLEY JUST DO HER JOB. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM ASKING HER TO DO HER JOB. I AM ASKING HER TO DO IT. RATHER THAN CALL FOR A VOTE, TO PUT IT IN THE SAME STEAD AS IT WAS ON MAY 1. THAT IS MOTION TO RECONSIDER IS. WHAT I AM SAYING, DO YOU WANT TOO TAKE NOMINATIONS AND DO IT AS DID YOU ON MAY 1 OR HAVE THE NOMINATIONS BEEN AS IT IS AND HAVE MISS FOXX-KNOWLES TAKE THE VOTES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: POINT OF INFORMATION, THE CHAIR -- PRO TEM, THAT WILL OFFICIALLY MAKE IT CHAIR. IF THERE WAS A ELECTION THAT I WAS A PART OF RELINQUISH THAT TO THE CLERK BASED ON THIS DISCRETION. WOULDN'T I BE CALLING THIS AND HAND IT OVER TO THE CLERK. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY RECOMMENDATION IS, WHEN A CHAIR IS MADE, NOBODY ON CITY COUNCIL PARTICIPATES. >>LYNN HURTAK: HOWEVER SHE WANTS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: LET HER JUST DO HER JOB. >>MARTIN SHELBY: A PROCESS SHE HAS DONE TRADITIONALLY AND I AM ASKING THAT THAT PROCESS BE FOLLOWED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S GO. >>GWEN HENDERSON: GO AHEAD, MISS SHIRLEY. >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES, CITY CLERK. IS THERE A -- I AM ASKING FOR NOMINATIONS. AND IT IS FOR THE FIRST NAME NOMINATED. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I NOMINATE CHAIR MANISCALCO TO RETAIN HIS POSITION. >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: MANISCALCO HAS BEEN NOMINATED. ANOTHER NOMINATION? YES, SIR. >>ALAN CCLEN CLENDENIN. >>BILL CARLSON: ALAN CLENDENIN. >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN HAS BEEN NOMINATED. IS THERE ANOTHER NOMINATION? WE WILL CLOSE THE NOMINATIONS ON MANISCALCO AND CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR OF MR. MANISCALCO, RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF MR. CLENDENIN, RAISE YOUR HAND. MR. CLENDENIN HAS BEEN NOMINATED OR ELECTED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE HAS BEEN SELECTED, YEAH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOW A VACANCY IN THE PRO TEM POSITION. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONDUCT THAT ONE AS WELL? >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: YES. IS THERE A NOMINATION FOR CHAIR PRO TEM? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: YES, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: MISS HENDERSON HAS BEEN NOMINATED. IS THERE ANOTHER NOMINATION? YES SIR? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: MR. CARLSON HAS BEEN NOMINATED. IS THERE ANOTHER NOMINATION? OKAY. WE WILL CLOSE THE NOMINATIONS ON -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: VICE-CHAIR. >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: YES, THE VICE-CHAIR. ALL IN FAVOR OF MISS HENDERSON -- OKAY. ALL RIGHT. REQUIRES FOUR VOTES. CONGRATULATIONS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. >>SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES: ALL RIGHT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: WE HAVE A SECTION COMING UP, A PRESENTATION -- A PRESENTATION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IT'S -- THE PRESENTATION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE HAVE GOT TO GO LINE BY LINE TO REVIEW WHAT THEY PROPOSE AND EDIT IT. I HAVE GOTTEN HUNDREDS OF E-MAILS FROM ACROSS THE CITY AND SOUTH TAMPA WHICH YOU PROBABLY HAVE AS WELL. I SENT A MEMO A DAY OR TWO AGO SUGGESTING A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP MAYBE IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER. WOULD YOU ALL BE OPEN TO A SPECIALLY CALLED WORKSHOP? >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CARLSON, DID YOU SAY WHEN IT WILL BE COMING TO CITY COUNCIL? >>LYNN HURTAK: COMING NEXT WEEK. >>MARTIN SHELBY: COMING NEXT WEEK. >>BILL CARLSON: NEXT WEEK WE WILL HAVE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN PUBLIC COMMENT. IF WE SET UP A SPECIALLY CALLED WORKSHOP. PEOPLE KNOW THEY CAN COME AND HELP US EDIT IT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING AND COMING BACK AND YOU ARE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL CALLED DURING THAT TIME? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A WORKSHOP ON SEPTEMBER 25. >>LYNN HURTAK: HAS TO BE A NIGHT MEETING. IF IT IS NOT A NIGHT MEETING, WE ARE STILL GOING TO GET COMPLAINTS. WE NEED TO ADD A NIGHT MEETING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OCTOBER 9. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS LATE. WAY TOO LATE. WE DON'T WANT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HAPPY BIRTHDAY PRESENT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: BUDGET ON YOUR CALENDAR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SEPTEMBER 18 LOOKS GOOD TO ME. >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW ABOUT AUGUST 28. WE DON'T ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO THE AGENDA. >>GWEN HENDERSON: AUGUST 28, YOU SAID? I LIKE AUGUST 28. >>LYNN HURTAK: AUGUST 28, WE THERE IS VERY LITTLE ON AND SAY NO MORE ON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SPECIALLY CALLED -- COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON A SPECIALLY CALLED WORKSHOP AUGUST 28, 5:30 AND CLOSE THE DAY AGENDA AS IT CURRENTLY SITS. IS THERE A SECOND? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT IS IT FOR? >>LYNN HURTAK: SPECIALLY CALLED MEETING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THOUGHT WE WANTED AN ALL DAY ONE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE PROBLEM WITH ALL DAY, THE PUBLIC WHO ARE UPSET WON'T. THE FACT THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DISCUSS IT AND TREAT IT LIKE A WORKSHOP AND DO IT IN THE EVENING TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC. I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN ITS ROAD -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION BY MR. CARLSON AUGUST 28 FOR SPECIALLY CALLED AT 5:01 P.M. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU SAY PLANNING COMMISSION, MORE SPECIFICALLY. >>LYNN HURTAK: 24-04. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT SHE SAID. A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? IT IS SET. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DO, THOUGH, WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY ON THE RECORD THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WROTE US AN E-MAIL THAT VERY CLEARLY STATES -- I JUST HAVE TO PUT THIS ON THE RECORD. THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF HAS BEEN ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY SINCE 2022 ON THIS AMENDMENT, HOLDING AND ATTENDING APPROXIMATELY 30 COMMUNITY MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THESE. I HAVE LISTENED TO SOME OF THEM. I JUST WANT TO SAY WE HAVE HAD AMPLE -- THERE HAS BEEN PLENTY OF TIME FOR PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT THIS. I DO WANT WANT TO GET MORE PUBLIC COMMENT BUT I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THERE IS STUFF OUT THERE. IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE THINGS ON THEIR WEB SITE. MAYBE ALL OF US -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AND YOUTUBE. >>LYNN HURTAK: AND YOUTUBE. MAYBE WE NEED TO PUSH THIS OUT AS A CITY FOR OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT GROUP PUSH THAT INFORMATION OUT SO THE PUBLIC COMES IN KNOWLEDGEABLE. UP HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU ALL LISTEN TO THEM IF YOU HAVEN'T. THEY ARE VERY GOOD. UP ACTUALLY LISTENED TO THE IT WAS VERY, VERY INFORMATIVE AND ENLIGHTENING. YEAH YEAH. THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE THAT REALLY WANT TO BE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. IT'S REALLY FUNNY THE GREEN ENVY IS SO THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MS. KNOWLES, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR US? >> YES, I DID NOT ASK IF YOU WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS, TO THE CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'LL TAKE THAT MOMENT OF PRIVILEGE. ONE, I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. HIM AND I HAVE BEEN FRIENDS FOR MANY YEARS. SIT DOWN AND HAVE A COCKTAIL AND ABOUT THE THINGS GONE BY. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING. HOPEFULLY ASK FOR GRACE AS THE LEARNING CURVE GOING INTO THIS. I'LL TRY TO DO MY BEST MOVING MEETINGS ALONG. DEFINITELY A DIFFERENT TYPE OF CHAIR THAN MANISCALCO. HE IS THE NICER ONES SOMETIMES AND MAYBE I'M NOT. HE GIVES PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT MORE GRACE THAN I DO OFTEN. BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CHALLENGE. LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CHANGE. HOPEFULLY I WON'T DISAPPOINT. IF YOU DO, PLEASE BRING IT TO MY ATTENTION. I'LL TRY TO IMPROVE. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? >>BILL CARLSON: ONE LAST THING, JUST FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE I KNOW SOMEBODY WILL PUSH THIS, I'M ON A LOT OF BOARDS. I DON'T WANT TO BE ON ANY BOARDS, MR. CHAIR. THE COMMITTEES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE, ARE JUST CEREMONIAL. WE'RE NOT LIKE ST. PETE WHERE WE HAVE MEETINGS WITH COMMITTEES. THE COMMITTEES ARE JUST PASSING THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO I HAVE TO BE ON ONE OF THOSE. I DON'T CARE WHICH ONE IT IS. I'M JUST OFFICIALLY NOT ASKING YOU FOR ANYTHING. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT'S NOT TRUE. I HAVE A PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING TOMORROW AND I WAS APPOINTED TO THAT POSITION. >>BILL CARLSON: NO, I SAID WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE NOTHING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >> OKAY THEN. [ LAUGHTER ] >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A.I. HAS GOT YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK TODAY SETS A VERY BAD PRECEDENT. AS YOU SEE, I DON'T GET ANGRY. I'M NOT VENGEFUL, I DON'T MAKE THREATS, UNLIKE OTHER PEOPLE. I DO WISH CONGRATULATIONS. CLENDENIN AND I HAVE BEEN FRIENDS ABOUT 15 YEARS. OF COURSE, I WISH HIM THE BEST. THIS IS A VERY BAD LOOK FOR THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT THE CITY COUNCIL AS A WHOLE AND I WANT US ALL TO SUCCEED. BUT WHAT HAPPENED TODAY DOES SET A BAD PRECEDENT AND IT DOES MAKE US LOOK BAD. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE HEADLINES. AGAIN, THERE IS A REPORTER IN THE ROOM, BUT THIS IS STRICTLY -- IT'S NOT PUNISHMENT. IT'S REVENGE. I DIDN'T COME HERE FOR REVENGE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MS. SHIRLEY, THANK YOU FOR DOING YOUR JOB SO ELOQUENTLY. I WAS NOMINATED AND I LEARNED FROM MY MENTOR WHEN YOU ARE NOMINATED TO JUST ACCEPT THE OPPORTUNITY. IT WAS A GREAT SURPRISE TO ME. ALL I GOT TO SAY IS, MR. CLENDENIN, YOU NEED TO COME TO WORK EVERY THURSDAY ON THAT SO I DON'T HAVE TO BE PRO TEM ON A REGULAR BASIS. ALSO, I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF. I DROVE DOWN MARION STREET TODAY, AND ALL OF THE BENCHES ARE BACK IN PLACE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HART BUS STATION. THAT WAS DONE REALLY QUICKLY. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO MOVE A MOUNTAIN TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. IT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE REPURPOSED. I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR GETTING THAT DONE. I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. IT IS AN AREA WHERE THE UNHOUSED ARE ALSO, ONE OF THEIR HANGOUT SPOTS, BUT THEY ARE STILL OUR CITIZENS AND DESERVE TO BE TREATED WITH DIGNITY. IF THEY WANT TO SIT ON A BENCH, THEY CAN SIT ON A BENCH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'VE BEEN GIVEN SOME MOTIONS. I GUESS I SHOULD DO ALL OF THESE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BECAUSE THE CHAIR DOESN'T MAKE MOTIONS, PRO TEM, PLANNING COMMISSION WILL SUPPLY THOSE TO YOU USUALLY THE DAY OF, TO YOUR AIDE, AND THEN YOU READ THEM INTO THE RECORD. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I HAVE FOR. MOTION ONE, A MOTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO RESCHEDULE THE ADOPTION HEARING FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA FY '2026 THROUGH 2030 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SECTION SCHEDULE OF PROJECTS UPDATE TO OCTOBER 30th AT 5:01 P.M. AND DIRECT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE THE CITY CLERK WITH THE FORM OF NOTICE FOR ADVERTISING THE PUBLIC HEARING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MOTION TWO, MOTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO RESCHEDULE THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING FOR TA/CPA 25-04 AND TA/CPA 25-06 TO OCTOBER 30, 2025, AT 5:01 P.M. AND DIRECT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE THE CITY CLERK WITH THE FORM OF NOTICE FOR ADVERTISING THE PUBLIC HEARING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: A MOTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO RESCHEDULE THE ADOPTION HEARING OF TA/CPA 25-09 TO OCTOBER 30th, 2025, AT 5:01 P.M. AND DIRECT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE THE CITY CLERK WITH THE FORM OF NOTICE FOR ADVERTISING THE PUBLIC HEARING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THERE ARE TWO MORE ACTUALLY. NOT FOUR. A MOTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REMOVE TA/CPA 25-13 FROM THE ADOPTION HEARING ON OCTOBER 23rd, 2025, AT 5:01 P.M. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE LAST ONE, CHAIR, A MOTION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REMOVE TA/CPA 24-18 FROM THE ADOPTION HEARING ON JULY 31st, 2025, AT 5:01 P.M. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE? OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. MS. SCHARFE, FILE TA/CPA 24-04, WHICH WE ADDED FOR THE WORKSHOP, WE NEED TO TAKE IT OFF OF NEXT -- OR OF THE MAY 22nd EVENING SESSION. THAT WAS 25-04. I LISTENED BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, NO, THIS IS 24-04. THIS IS THE THING WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, THE TRANSMITTAL HEARING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT CAME FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE JUST MOVED IT. I MOVED IT WHEN IT WAS MY TURN. WE ADDED IT TO A WORKSHOP OR A NIGHT MEETING. WE CREATED A NIGHT MEETING. WHAT I'M DOING NOW IS I AM TAKING IT OUT OF THE EVENING SESSION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK MOVING THAT -- REMOVING THAT ITEM FROM THE AGENDA ON MAY 22 AT 5:01 P.M. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? THAT WAS A SECOND FROM MANISCALCO. COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO, DO YOU HAVE AN ITEM? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LISA, DID YOU CANCEL THE THING FOR TONIGHT? NO, NO DON'T CANCEL. I'LL GO. I THOUGHT WE WOULD GET OUT LATER. MOTION FOR IN-PERSON COMMENDATION ON JUNE 26 TO RECOGNIZE THE FOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MAGISTRATES FOR THEIR YEARS OF VOLUNTEER SERVICE. PAUL ERNIE, 29 YEARS. LAURA, 21 YEARS, RICHARD 17 YEARS, ALEX DONE MIRE, 14 YEARS. THE CITY IS NO LONGER UTILIZING THE VOLUNTEERS AND HIRED A LAW FIRM TO HANDLE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE DUTIES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. AYES HAVE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A FIVE MINUTE PRESENTATION ON JUNE 26 TO RECOGNIZE NATALIE HERNANDEZ, THIRD PLACE WINNER IN THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF MAYORS AND CITY IF I WERE ELECTED MAYOR ESSAY CONTEST. SHE PLACED THIRD OUT OF 1900 SUBMISSIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE. OPPOSED NAY. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAN OF FEW WORDS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MOTION TO RECEIVED AND FILE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND BY MIRANDA. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. MOTION PASSES. GOOD NIGHT, EVERYBODY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE ARE ADJOURNED.