I'll call the meeting to order. And uh before we begin tonight's meeting, I would just like to ask everyone uh to join me in a moment of silence to honor the memory of uh Charlie Kirk as well as to keep his uh family, friends, and loved ones in our thoughts and prayers following the tragic events uh that happened, the tragic political violence that happened yesterday. Um so join me in that. Thank you. Okay. And we will proceed then with a roll call. Uh McKe here. >> Uh Lanterman >> here. >> Friedrich >> present. >> Bingham >> here. >> Nicholls >> here. >> Give me one second. Main sheet. I was looking for one thing I put somewhere that I can't find. That's fine. Okay. Uh we'll move on to the pledge of allegiance. If you'd like to stand and join me. >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. There we go. Okay. Agenda approval. Uh looks like there's a couple changes from the initial agenda but revised for today. Um so there any other changes for from staff? >> Uh no other changes since it was revised on September 9th >> which was just uh removing 7A I believe. >> That's correct. >> Okay. Uh and anything council? Okay, then I'll entertain a motion to approve the agenda as uh amended from the initial version or as presented in today's uh copy. >> So moved. Nichols >> second. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. Okay. Uh no presentations today and then we will move on to open forum which I believe we have at least a card. >> Uh yes, Mr. Mayor. Uh this is the opportunity when anyone in the audience who would like to address something that is not on the agenda has an opportunity to present to council. Uh they won't provide feedback. This is an opportunity to share your concerns or thoughts. Uh ask that you state your name and your address for the record. Uh we have two cards today. Mr. Mayor. Uh first up would be Mr. Ravi Kumar Relo. Um >> please. >> You may. Sure. >> If you could start with your name and address that'd be great. Thank you. >> Did you go over the five minutes? >> Uh, I did not. Yes. So, that you're limited to five minutes of comment. Thank you, >> sir. We decided reason and at the time she bought it as an investment and closed in October and then last week or last week we got a stating that the number of exceeded the reason is some people who bought it as a primary bought something initially they were sharing information and then they stopped sharing and converted it and bought the licenses and did not let any information I And they haven't g So I as they said nothing you take your contract and the contract and take the money. I said I followed all the procedures that I'm supposed to follow and what is remedy for that person and obviously zoning all the time. So that's why we here. So couple of things what we felt. someone and get function and came back and for the second one what is happening is because of the way that it is there and other things nearby and we take that and adds and that not to do so we have to come and ask you for your variance and >> Gotcha. Thank you. And generally we we kind of take this in, we have staff kind of take some notes and um answer questions if possible then or or if not uh follow up. Um council have any any further information they'd like to get or clarification on anything or otherwise staff? Did you get enough information to dig into that? >> Uh we do, Mr. Mayor. we've been aware of the challenge and and this isn't uh we we're kind of limited in in how we can respond. So, uh by by zoning 13% of a particular street can be uh available for rental property. Uh that that was determined by council. I forget how long ago. Uh and uh to to the speaker's point, uh if people come in, the only way that we're made aware that it that's of an interest to someone is when they come in to apply for the rental permit. That's that's the only control or uh and and so having not received a rental permit uh yet, we can't issue one. And so when when someone uh what the HOA is telling someone, we don't have any control over that. uh in terms of them saying what's available or not available. Uh and so by the time uh the speaker got here um the 13% was already accounted for on that street. >> Uh yeah, I'll just make a quick correction. 15% in this scenario doesn't I don't think it makes a difference. The number of units allowed within the block, but it's 15% of the block is the maximum amount of rental licenses issued for a particular uh block of residential homes. C can I ask a question? It looks like we're we have quite a few applications from Walcott. >> Have any of the LAR TA town homes applied for rental licenses? >> Um right now all of the rental blocks that contain town homes in both Wal Glenn and Tivera are at capacity. >> Okay, >> good to know. Thank you. But as far as the process, just want to reiterate what what the HOA is communicating to homeowners about what's available or not available. Uh really in terms of what's available or not available is determined by when someone applies and and when we reach capacity. >> Yeah. For people who are in the process of trying to acquire a property, I assume they can't apply until they actually get title. Is that correct? >> Correct. >> Okay. Sure. >> I definitely respect the process. And if you prop somebody for it, this thing and as a minister it's kind of difficult to do the business not knowing >> who controls what this is where it's kind of making it difficult. So there has to be some kind of coordination between the city and the HOA before they kind of issuing the numbers are right so that way there's a proper checks and balances for everybody so that we don't sit also our request is if there's any contract and we truly wanted to have this property and near and dear to her. Even though we have like five or six properties, this one she wanted to have it as a special thing because eventually move down as a family home to college and that's also the reason this one. I really appreciate that. >> Okay. Thank you. I think something we can And um I'm not sure what options we have in terms of >> of um potentially changing anything or the issue that you brought up about the timing of when licenses are are um you're able to get a license after closing. I don't know if that's something that's done differently elsewhere. I would imagine that's pretty standard for this type of >> So, Mr. Mayor, what we could do I I believe before it was written there was some analysis in terms of how it was practiced in other cities and so we tried to adopt best practice. Uh as far as the timing and the communication um we can look into it but I don't know how in terms of accountability uh we we don't have accountability for what and when the HOA communicates to potential home buyers. Uh and and so and we certainly experienced that in other developing neighborhoods in which the HOA uh is not accepting accountability for the misinformation that they're putting out and they're actually assigning the city responsibility when the city uh outside of you know responding when we receive a request. We we don't really have a way. We're not my readers. >> Right. >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yeah. Just real quick question. If and Dwight, you probably are able to answer this. If I were to come to a neighborhood and want to buy a property and want to turn it into a rental, we go online to our website. We have a rental ordinance. It's right there. Even though I don't own that property, if I were to come to the city and ask questions about rental property in that specific neighborhood, would I still be able to get the information? And would the city be able to share saying that neighborhood is already at capacity? There's no new rentals available. >> Yep. So, our rental license uh inventory is public information and if anyone wants to inquire on it, we're happy to provide that information. >> Good job. Thank you. >> Is it public in the sense that it's actively posted like on the website or is available for questions? >> Yep. So, we have an interactive map and I believe that might be the exhibit that you guys had today and we try to update it as frequently as we can um sometimes other things come up. So, it might not be fully up to date. So, we do have a disclaimer on there that if you have questions on it to contact I believe it's my email that's on there >> and I'm asking a question because I I looked so cool. Thanks. >> Sure. Yes, that information is public. In fact, I still own and updated by the build. So when we bought it was available and still some kind of right on my personoping it maybe an exception for that but at least as an investor I should have confidence and put the money in that I can follow the process and one more piece of information does not take the house so we can lend and we have now given an application in hoping that something can happen. So, thank you so much. >> So, to me, this seems like a civil matter between you and the HOA, correct? >> Certainly, >> so then what role do we have in this? >> No, you don't have any role in actually holding somebody accountable, >> right? >> I was like, there's some discrepancy if I can possibly get an exception for I'm going to resolve this matter. But what is the HOA license process? So now the builder wants a HOA. They have this one. >> Okay. And I think bringing the other part to our attention. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Any other >> um Yes, Mr. Mayor. We have one other card uh for Mr. Nate Kierani. >> Okay. Please state your name and address for the record. very detailed or can I give an overview and see if there's any opportunity to provide the best information? >> It's your discretion, sir. >> Okay. Okay. Um, so this is in regards to an outlook at the intersection of counter road 10, counter 19 just west of Elderly Lane where we developed a nine lot of large resision and um, but more specifically in regards to the resolution that was passed by council on outlaw a and I believe the two bullet points from the resolution um, are that there's a there will be a trail easement, you know, for future connection to the uh parks and planning commiss concept for future future trails. And then secondly, it refers to a mold trail. So, as I and I've learned quite a bit about the intricacies of easements and I guess future planning for trails. I I've been going back and forth with Kevin and uh also Stant Tech who's been out on site because I I really was having a hard time understanding, you know, exactly what what the specifications of this trail should look like and actually, you know, some delays in our process of wrapping up. So I when I finally got out there with Kevin I there were a number of new issues that really came to light and I was I'll just start with the fact that there's a large natural resource area. At one point when we were talking about this trail, the idea was that because it's not actually going to be a trail in use, like a a proper trail, we try to minimize, you know, the number of trees that we need to take down going through this natural resource area. And um I guess what I was envisioning is the mowing trail like I've got in my backyard. I'm on LAR and I got I got a little push mower. I'm you know, I got a trail. I got trails going all over the place. And I know my kids like to run around out there. Well, as Kevin raised a really good point. If you've got a trail like that, what do you do about maintaining, for example, flooding issues? I own that land for many years before I sold it. There's gigantic that come, you know, in the spring especially where um the farmer is is he has to take responsibility for it right now. As soon as I stick a pipe in that ground as soon as I start to burn water and I I would actually extend that to the city as well. I'm wondering who's going to be able to get equipment back there to clear that flooding and you know prevent not only does it create a safety issue potentially. I mean imagine kids on ebikes and snowmobiles racing up and down this trail in the winter. About the only people that wouldn't really be able to use this trail concept are probably it says the straight of staff report. It's not going to accommodate strollers, bicycles. It's not, you know, people that are, you know, um, you know, have a difficult time trails. So, I'm imagining the young folks of of Corkran that they're probably going to be using it. But you've got flooding issues. You've got the access coming up on a counter 10. So, very originally, I believe that 10 connection was intended for a future trail. Someday there will be trails coming down 10 that would connect up to this trail. So what I'm asking is that if the council and staff would consider deferring the improvements on the outlaw to the time at which that is developed. And I I do believe at point in time that was the intention, you know, but obviously what gets translated into into law and into specifications is what carries the day. So, um there's one other aspect of this and it's it's not just a cost thing, it's actually a practicality thing. In order to do that trail, right, Kevin described that you basically need probably like a 20 foot wide. You need to cut a sw through this woods and through these flood planes and the farmer's field and all that. The problem is as soon as you start mowing down crops, now the farmers going to maintain that you're going to start to get weeds. How do you mark the trail? Right now, you go look out at that lot. It's like a It's like a It looks like a cemetery out there. All the signs that I posted out all over that property. And now you're going to be posting more signs going through to mark, you know, where the trail is supposed to be. And um I just don't think >> Hold on one second. I'll make a motion to give Mr. Karani another couple minutes. >> Second. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. Hi, >> thank you. Um, but I'll I'll just try to wrap up to say that um I think there's some considerable safety concerns here. Safety and liability. I don't want to be responsible for misdirecting water because I know there's some neighboring cities that have had issues with soon as you put a pipe in the ground there's there's some liability and who's going to maintain it. Um, secondly, there's the fact that the farmer is doing a great job out there. He's got crops coming up. He sprays for weeds. trail through there. That's going to start producing weeds and it's going to be difficult to maintain. And third, just the practicality and the timing of the fact that you're going to be able to kind of redo this ement. You can make this ement wider if you want. You can make it go around. There's this huge tree line that all the way from 19 all the way across the field that would have to be completely removed in order to, you know, to create a 20 wide ement. And um I'm just thinking for for what purpose? You're you're really not the taxpaying citizens of this of this uh city are not really going to benefit from it. And I'm not even sure how to clear all these large mature trees within the easement that's currently there. So I think from a time standpoint you'll have a better crack at it when this all develops. There's some safety and liability issues coming out on the counter that I'm concerned about. And um and then of course there's the signage that I just more signs out there. Got so many signs out in that field. It's kind of silly actually. >> Just a quick clarification when you say deferring it to when that a lot develops. That's a separate owned parcel now, right? >> Correct. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, you really can't, you know, like I think if you were going to do the trail properly, like I I got this new vision after being out there with Kevin and I'm thinking, yeah, that's what a trail should look like. You'd probably have to bump those ements, you know. 20 ft on either side to really be able to accommodate that. At at the time that that outlaw develops, obviously the city would have a lot of discretion to make make a more make a plan with more specs rather than just describing a trail which I don't think are at this time. >> Okay. Got some stuff maybe we can follow up on. >> We can we can follow. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Mr. Mayor, if I may. >> Yes, please. >> And I I I mean no disrespect or anything, but we had a agreement for these outlots, this whole area, which included the trail, whether it be current or future by that landowner, which is obviously standing in front of us. And how do we defer that to the next property owner? the next property owner is still there, but the agreement to this whole area, if I'm wrong, Kevin, tell me, is set for that moment in time and such. And how do we do that? And I'm going to refer over to Ble and Farms. They have the same thing. They have a development around their property. Um, I believe all properties have been purchased and they're doing the same thing. They have a trail easement along a creek bed, a drainage ditch, whatever we call it nowadays, then they're still held accountable even though property owners have bought the properties and such. The original owner of that property is still responsible to put that trail. Yes or no? Or did I answer too many questions in two? >> I don't think I can answer yes or no to that because I think you had two questions in there. Um it's difficult to you can't defer like this trail cost like to the outlaw owner though right so this trail agreement and condition was part of the development contract between the city and Mr. Ky right >> so it's part of that development so I would be a legal conversation about what options there were if he's proposing a deferment it would somehow have to be attached to that development contract we couldn't place it on another property owner >> and then the farmer right now that's is obviously renting from the new owner and stuff. So that's nothing but I thought the delineation and everything was set. >> Yes, that easement was just was submitted to us before with plat recording. Y >> so the alignment was set with plat recording. So before the development started that easement alignment was selected. It was it was based on following the flood plane and the uh wetland buffer. So it's a very irregular natural trail, >> but it wasn't in the flood plane when the conversation >> parts of it were that's why it was chosen as a natural trail. >> Okay. >> Assume that sometimes during high water it may not be accessible. >> I remember that. But again, we aren't going to it needs to be moaned. It needs it would maybe be wood chipped, but >> that was that was kind of left in the report and that's what we've been trying to figure out and we have some solutions there. I don't think that's >> the current sticking whether it's wood chips or m it's more of the alignment and the tree removals but again those were all set in stone when the development >> and then when we were talking about it we already have a current trail the three rivers trail which is tred along the road correct >> along 19 >> along 19 >> on the west side yeah there's there's nothing currently adjacent to 10 >> this was still >> but there are >> we had conversations about it would hook up to that trail so to speak and it would be a trail to nowhere until more development happened out that trajectory. >> It was an acknowledged natural >> it was very clear during the agreements and everything else. So, okay. >> That that was supposed to be a constructed natural trail. >> Yeah, correct. >> By what time? >> Just with I don't It didn't have a condition. >> So, actually it did have a condition. Uh it was to be constructed uh by working with the city public works director on the final location of the out and that meeting is what happened for what occurred three weeks ago. >> Was the trail connect to the Three Rivers Trail on 19? >> Yes. >> So there will be access to it from that more significant public trail. Somebody could bike and then walk or >> you could theoretically go one way and not come back if you wanted to. would be a long dead end >> and get out on the 18th shoulder >> and then along 10 if if you were to head east >> uh it heads towards the Bal school. So that would be a possibility uh to connect the school. Uh we would have to work with the property owner to the west in order to get to the trail head that's on 10. Uh so that that regional trail trail head is right there on the corner of 19 and 10. >> This is all stuff that was talked about when own that property and such. It's set. There's escrow. There's all of those things. I in my mind I feel it needs to be executed, but to to push it out for longer term and stuff with everything we're trying to do with trails in our city. We are doing everything we can to get trails that don't impede good land. mentions it doesn't impede land that is an open space or anything but along the creek beds that's our been our plan for long before I even got up here so just my input on this whole thing so I appreciate you working with with the easement owner now and not the property owner right >> correct >> still >> so we're technically the easement owner the easements in the city's name but there's the obligation the developer >> the obligation from the previous owner development once it's constructed. My recollection is the city would be mowing the trail on an ongoing basis to keep it clear. Is that correct? >> Yes. So it would be a public city true natural trail once it's accepted from the developer. Correct. >> Okay. Can you talk a little bit Kevin about the number and size of trees that have to get removed in order for the trail to be usable? I imagine we want to keep as many of them as we can but I'm not sure how forested it is. >> So there's some sections that aren't forested. So, I would say the north half are kind of fringe, low quality trees, if no trees at all. Um, there's a section where it goes through what I would call fairly thick woods. So, we'd literally have to cut 20 ft path just to be able to construct the trail and maintain it and get access. Um, and then and then it just follows the tree line as it has kind of east west as it connects to 19. And that's like a farm tree line. It would basically take out the tree line. there some significant trees there primarily dying ash trees. So, so when you look at the tree in my opinion as a nonforester when you look at any tree concerns it would be kind of through the woods thicket but the trail would like literally cut right through the woods. So it wouldn't necessarily open up any view issues in my mind. It would be like a like a natural trail through woods. >> How long is that section? >> A quarter of the whole trail. I don't know. If could I make one request, Mr. Mayor? So, so uh since open form we're not supposed to be staffing this, could could I please bring a staff report back on the 25th? Uh we have this information available. >> Uh but but us going from the fly trying to provide data isn't >> Yep. >> Could I ask just one question it and correct me if I'm wrong. It seems to me, if I'm hearing you correctly, Kevin, there was already an agreement in place. both sides understood the terms and this seems to me uh to be a request for a doover. Am am I incorrect in that? >> It's correct that it was identified as a condition when the development got approved and recorded. >> Okay. And what how long ago was that? >> Uh do you have the date? Feels like three >> three years ago. >> Three or four years ago. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. I'm I'm coming to you today. I'm genuinely just from a practical standpoint. I don't know how to tell all these heavy trees on a 20 foot wide. It's a It's a really substantial It's that entire southern section of tree line. So, it's not I'm not trying to do around the city any I'm I'm just looking for I think Kevin's words were something like this. come back with a proposal and and I I just thought I don't know what exactly I would propose to do. So whatever the consideration and there's consideration is the term that you're driving at. >> Have you reached out to the property owner of the lot to maybe acquiring a temporary easement? Uh well that's that is an option I don't know how practical that would be. >> C can I ask one clarifying question? So so when the agreement came in and you understood the easement was there and the trail would have to be constructed. Those trees existed. How are you thinking about it then? >> Well see again that's that's why I mentioned to me a mullen trail. I just I'm I was envisioning something completely different. I thought we were literally talking about a moan trail like >> but even a moan trail would have to have these trees removed. How are you thinking about doing that? >> No, not at all. You could I mean not now to be able to access it and safely to bring equipment back there. That's completely outside the scope of of what I imagine the trail to be. And and just for a little bit more context, I've done similar my parents. We just did a subdivision with an ement like this and it's an island. It's not connected to a trail. There's farmer is there mowing his crops. So in terms of precedent, what I was anticipating was something similar to what we had just completed over on Rolling Hills Road. And I I realize now that's maybe that is a different type of trail, but um Mr. Mayor, I Jay, you said we've got this stuff. What I remember of this whole trail was it was going to be a certain distance wide in the agreement and everything else and not to have the entire property anymore and still responsible for this trail. I'm saying it's not our issue, but you'll bring back the report. >> I'll bring something back on the 25th. >> Appreciate it. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Uh we have no other comment cards, Mr. Anyone else for open form? Then we'll move on to consent agenda which consists of items 6A through 6 I. Does anyone Oh, thank you. Have a good one. >> Thank you. >> Does anyone want to pull anything? >> I do. >> Mark 6 C. >> 6C. Anyone else? >> Um, no. I'll hold my stuff until um council reports and stuff, but I agree with See, I'd like to have a conversation about that. >> Uh, anyone else on anything else? >> No. >> Okay, sounds good. Then I will entertain a motion to approve consent agenda items A, B, and D through I. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Okay. And then item C uh was pulled by Mark and Dean. Uh, why not start with Mark and then go to Dean? Sure. We can go to >> um I I I don't know what the catalyst for putting this together was. I have an idea, but to me this seems like a solution searching for a problem. Um I I you know I think that um you know this makes about as much sense as having a policy stating that we can park in the parking lot. Um and it seems to be a policy for the sake of a policy. So, I I for one, I don't support it and uh I would go so far as to make a make a motion to uh to deny it. >> Are you making that motion? >> I am making that motion. >> Is there a second on that motion? >> I'd like to have more of a conversation. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, >> so there I would say you can either second it for conversation then we can vote on it or it fails due to lack of a second and then we can discuss. So whatever no whichever path is I'm not trying to influence you one way or >> another think options. Yeah. >> Is there a second? >> Okay. And that dies for lack of a second. Um Dean, did you want to >> Yeah. While I understand the direction Mark is going and such, I want to understand also why it was created. Okay. Um, and it it may come back to, and if I'm speaking out of out of line and stuff, it may come back to we had been talking about our new city park being named Heritage Park for nearly 9 and a half months and we made the determination we would do that. um parks shortly before we had that meeting sent an email talking about possible names of city park and stuff. None of them which I believe were part of the direction we were going. Heritage Park was our farming community, what Court was about, those kind of things. And I think we made a good decision to continue and finalize and name it Heritage Park. Um, but to turn it into a three or four month pay, how much would that have affected us to be able to not start construction because we had talked about Heritage Park all along? So, I I that that's my quick on the soap box and stuff like that. I do like the documentation in this draft related to naming other than the timeline. Um but again I can come all the way back to an ordinance is a mute point when I think I count in three different play places and please correct me if I'm wrong in this document five or six page document when I read it. It comes back to the naming is a recommendation of the council. the council has final say on those things. Um, I like the relationship we had with our volunteer committees, the planning department, the planning commission, and then the parks um park and trails volunteers and such. U we've got a new city park coming in or coming online. Let's send it back to them to talk about naming and those kind of things. Um, there's a lot of stuff written in here and I I can go back to recent changes of park namings in Minneapolis and stuff because of people that were the way they were, but but parks and lakes and stuff were named what they were for years and now all of a sudden we're changing that. I I do like there's a short blurb I think on page four towards the end of page four into end of page five um that mentions that about if a change needs to happen but in my mind I think that is a common sense deal and a discussion for the city council and the mayor to have that discussion and such. But I'm saying all of this because I want your guys's input. >> Gotcha. For sure. Uh Jeremy or Michelle and actually I might jump in with um because I think you touched on it, maybe you did as well, Mark, and JCB, be correct me if I'm wrong, but I think maybe some of this uh some of the language and provisions might be newer um and maybe stem from the the Heritage Park naming um issue, but there's definitely some of it that predates that, quite a bit of it. >> I would love to give background if if I can. >> Sure, please. So, to be honest, this conversation dates all the way back to 2018. Um, where recreation coordinator Christian Simbach wrote a staff report regarding park naming and that was related to Wildflower Park. We ran into a similar issue of like how do we get to the end point of naming a park. Um, many cities surrounding and otherwise have park naming policies for that purpose. not necessarily to say no, you cannot name it this, but more so like here's the process to get to naming that park because otherwise we run into this issue of I mean truthfully I don't think the parks and trails commission had it presented to presented to them prior to that meeting. So that was genuinely one of the first times unless they had been listening to council meetings specifically where you guys had just touched on it. I don't know that it was an agenda item at council prior to that either. So I think they just felt a little taken it back by going, "Oh, okay. We're naming the park." So, I think this kind of establishes a precedence of like here is the process that we would follow. And there's still a lot of flexibility in there as well for like if you guys didn't like the name that they chose. At the end of the day, it is your discretion. And that is very very clear. And as far as the timeline is concerned, um I I was kind of thinking it through. If we find out that we're going to develop a park. I would envision that the process for naming said park would happen simultaneously so that that 3 to four months that might seem like too much time is actually in coordination with the planning of the park so that we can be naming it either after the amenities that are in there or the natural features that are nearby or what have you. Um, and as far as the Heritage Park being the catalyst, I don't feel like that's entirely true. Okay. >> They had this discussion in May of 24, June of 24, July of 25, and then in 2018 prior to that. I think we're really just trying to define what that policy would look like and what that process is to name a park. Otherwise, we sit here with people who have donations for specific amenities. And in this scenario, we have someone interested who wants to donate towards Heritage Parks and Playground. >> Y, >> but I have no means to bring it forward to you. I don't know how to present that. I don't know what the next steps are. So, this kind of helps define what does that look like? How can we bring it forward? And then from there, if we are doing engagement, what does it look like? And again, you would have final say on that as well. But parks and trails would be a recommendation. And so they would, not to make it sound so awful, but they would do kind of the heavy lifting is the vision I guess that I have. And then they would bring a recommendation to you that you can either choose to go with or audible if that's the choice. >> How is that different from now? >> How would you like me to bring it forward if not the way that it's listed in here? I guess would be my question. >> Potential solution to that. But >> I mean, if there's a process, I'd be happy to follow it and if there's something that you want changed in it. I just I think from the community development department and parks and rec specifically, we're looking for some sort of like process to follow so that we know how to bring it forward and when that process would start as far as if we're developing a park, does it start right off right off the bat or are we waiting until it's fully developed? Like there's a lot of caveats that go along with that. And we're a very lean staff. So, as much I know policies seem redundant sometimes, but it really does help give us something to fall back on. I think it's also helpful as we're considering allowing donations for specific parts of parks in lie of some kind of honorary statement. This gives you some context for those conversations with potential donors. So if you're talking with the JC's about sponsoring a new ball field, these would be the expectations. It's not going to be the JC field for 500 years. It'll be for 15 years till the ball field wears out. And these are the kinds of names we can consider. I think it's helpful to have that as part of the framework that staff can use when having those discussions. >> I would agree and I think that kind of touches on what Dean said um about that there's and correct me if I'm misunderstanding you Dean, but that there are some provisions that seem to make sense, but there's others that seem to maybe be uh changed in process that we don't like or you don't like. And I think I agree with you on on the one you mentioned. >> Um but there are maybe some other aspects like Jeremy was saying potentially or other things that here that aren't necessarily something we want to throw out. So, >> and and Mr. Mayor, great. Well said. I just I want I want everybody's input on this. >> Yeah. >> How did we arrive at a park that had play equipment that was a tractor, a silo look, all of that stuff. That's the stuff we were talking about. And we started talking Heritage Park >> almost at the beginning. and to to have the thoughts or issues related to like well wait a minute we didn't get to make a recommendation for a name it was already there we had talked about it as the previous council members I mean you were here I was here Jeremy was here John and and uh >> Allan were the other ones we went down the road picked this park and trails went after it you guys have all found some really cool equipment and it is Heritage Park. So that's why I brought it up again. Some of this stuff. This is a good start. I think you said that JCB. It gives you some direction and such. I just want to make sure that in the future, whether I'm up here or not, it's still up to the council and the mayor to make the final determination on naming. the concerns related to who's going to do the research and judging on if somebody says we want to donate money in this person's name and then ask for naming part of the park or putting up a plaque those kind of things going to manage that is that park and trail still out of all of this what's your vision on this >> my vision would be well we do have a caveat in there that generally the would be deceased for a specified amount of time then >> to help kind of air out any for all intents and purposes dirty laundry that may not come to light until then. Um beyond that I would envision it'd be me and then maybe the parks and trails commission again. I'd like to see them do >> recommendations and stuff. Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. So to that point too, we have Meister Field, we have Schneiderfield, we have Kevin Dale's Press Box, and we have Lionsfield. Is that Have I got them all right? Is there any other ones that are identified or named or anything? >> Meister. >> Meister, Lions. >> Thought I said Meister, Snider, Kevin. >> Yep. >> Those are the four right now, and they will stay that way until >> that is the intention unless I'm told otherwise by the city council. >> Okay. >> Yeah. as you help you hold the power to change that. >> And I brought up the Meister Field issue. When Meister Field was renovated, >> the sign never ended up back up. Are we ever going to get that >> or are we waiting? >> My understanding is that we have acquired the sign. I don't know if it got installed yet. >> I I don't know if installation has occurred, but we actually have uh new signs for all three of those fields because the other two fields were also in disrepair. >> Okay. >> So, the the Lion's field was at the end of its useful life. Schneider was as well. >> So those will get >> up and Schneider has it on the scoreboard, you know, so that looks a little bit different, but the three of them have similar design echoing back to what the design looked like before >> uh as part of a maintenance life cycle replacement. >> That naming is set on those. Everything else is open season, so to speak. And this would help you be able to manage it and such. So, so process-wise, I would want to clarify a couple things. And so, just like council approved the donation process, uh, in which we're taking donations through the the website or what is the right? >> See my legacy. >> See my legacy. Uh, if if someone were to come in, um, we would work with Mr. Things if a significant donor wants to come in to make sure that we've legally clarified for expectation management. That's been my past experience for major donors uh, on on fields 2. So, while we've provided policy, some things, but procedurally by unique circumstances, there will still be things that are appropriate for us to do to protect the city uh into perpetuity. >> So again, all of this stuff is just the timing of what happened to Heritage Park, stuff like that. It's just a coincidence, but you've been asking since 2018. >> Yes. I think the optics with it are what are kind of throwing people a little bit and >> and >> please with with that and I can help us get to the end sooner unless somebody wants to say something with that. Please let parks know. We appreciate each and every one of them their input and everything. I would love to see them show up. if there's something that they really feel passionate about such as this, it would be neat to be able to have that conversation with a representative and stuff. If they have, we aren't making anybody do those. We aren't forcing that >> like before. They're still welcome and encouraging. >> Please let them know to please come to us. The least I want is is hard feelings and stuff. And with that, if there's no other >> Could I make one comment? Council member Kim. So, so time timewise, just as my recollection, one of the things that I I wanted to point out is is process-wise, I was new to the city. Uh, coming from a park development background, we had just selected HKGI and we were starting the process. And so, the name Heritage Park came out at a parks and trails commission meeting when we were talking about the concept of what would happen with the playground and stuff. So the at that time we had a draft that looks way different than where we landed and so there was a lot of kicking around of ideas and it got traction and some momentum and enthusiasm in that and that enthusiasm shaped the design of the building. So, if you remember, we had big barn type, you know, we were looking at different barn designs and talking about all the different types of barns in the city to try and catch some of the architectural character and and capture that. And and then also trying to I I brought in a and that actually was on the agenda. I brought in a picture of all of these agriculturally themed playgrounds from across the country as inspiration uh towards that. So, I just wanted to for those who might be watching to be aware of that. Uh, that started soon after I got here. It might have been in December of 2023, but at the very least it was like January or February, and it caught momentum pretty quickly. Um and and so uh in terms of a naming, one of the things that I think might be helpful, the the character and the design of the park, having a design rallying theme, uh probably felt different to some folks than actually landing that as the naming of it >> that that that could have been the case, >> but recognizing commission. >> Yeah, there there's change of folks. So I just want to acknowledge that that there were people that changed out what what wasn't in question was celebrating the agricultural heritage per the vision >> mission vision and values of the city that wasn't in question. Uh but uh and and heritage was agricultural heritage was a rallying y >> concept. Uh but but the naming I can understand how that may have gotten lost in the process that some people had adopted it and understood that that's what it was and some people might have appropriated that as an idea >> good point >> to to happen later. >> So to summarize that it was all Jay's fault. And with that um >> hold on one second. We do have another Michelle when you're ready. >> So Jessica you did a nice job. Uh, you changed my mind. So, I'm gonna I'm gonna uh withdraw my motion to deny and I'll make a motion to approve. >> Okay. Do we have a second on that? >> Second. >> Uh, any further discussion? And Michelle, if you had anything? >> No, I was a part of this. No, that's okay. When when I was on the parks and trails commission, so I think this is a wonderful idea. I think it's a great resource to have for parks and trails. >> Okay. >> And then all those in favor say I. I. >> I. Again, apologies JCB, but please let the folks know. We appreciate. >> All righty. Thank you. Thank you. Good discussion. Um, moving on. We have no planning items after change in the agenda. No unfinished business. Uh, next is new business 9A, which is the Birchville uh, school charitable gamble gambling fund request. Say that five times fast. Um, and so I don't know who's taking the lead on that. >> Uh, that would be, Mr. Mayor. >> Perfect. >> Uh, so so ju just to summarize, we we have this treasure in the community, uh, that that is continuing to be protected. Uh, it's it's one of the few, if not the, it's the only one in Henipin County. Uh, I frankly had not been inside it until Summerfest. I wasn't able to make it there this year. I went there for Summerfest. It's It's pretty neat. uh we have one like that where I grew up. Um and uh the city also I want to acknowledge has has made significant investment in order to protect that amenity uh partnering with the North Henipin Historical Society uh to the tune of $108,000. Uh and so I just wanted to acknowledge >> over the last two years. >> Uh so so the first one came in 2016 that was $6,000 >> and and then in in the last year all the rest came in in 2024 uh of $102,000 >> $15,000 in February, 15,000 in July. And they came forward with uh three requests in late September of last year. And there was a discussion at that time to phase them out. and council at that time decided rather than paying for roof repairs this year and cabin roof and shed removal that next year and the chimney replacement decided to actually give them uh all the full cost of all of those expenses at once of $72,000. Uh and so that's uh it was 102,000 in 2024 and 6,000 in 2016. Um I would remind council that that uh these are um charitable gambling. We have restrictions in terms of how those funds can be used. It was included in the packet. One of the things before or one of the things after we get a some feedback and direction from council about how to address this request, staff would also request some direction in how to proceed with handling or or coming forward with proposals for future expenditures for those funds because to date, to my knowledge, uh it's only Virtual school present balance is roughly about $241,000. Uh exactly what we get each year varies from year to year. Anywhere between 20 and $40,000 on average depending on how that goes. And having um some clear direction towards the future would be helpful. So that that's the tail end. But the present request is $13,000 to repair um siding that's been damaged and to paint the building. >> Mr. Mayor, >> yes. Can I make a motion to approve funds in the amount of $13,000 to repair the sighting? >> Sure. And if I if you don't mind if I could just check. Bonnie, will you did you want to speak on anything or >> you pretty much covered it and then two weeks ago? >> Okay. >> Just wanted to double check. >> I I do have some questions. >> So, >> and again, we can either >> I'll second. >> Okay. We have a second. Uh any further discussion? I love >> you. Mr. Tobin, you mentioned Summerfest. How much money does Summerfest bring in? >> I will uh I will allow Bonnie to Could you come up to the microphone and respond to that question, please? >> Sure. >> Please state your name and your address for the record. >> Okay. Bonnie Molly 117450 road for 40 years now. And uh My request is um for the 13,000 to finish off the exterior of the school. Um now I forgot what question. >> Sure. My question is how much money does Summerfest bring in? >> We can bring anywhere between three to $4,000. We used to be able to bring in more when our food wagon was an alumni and he donated all the profits from that. Well, he retired after 25 years. He got tired of providing all the workshops. So now to we don't get that funds, but we've been very fortunate the last uh two years to make around $4,000, a little bit over sometimes. It just depends. Um we've had more and more alumni contact us and donating money. Uh take care of electricity, the mowing, any other outside maintenance problems that we have. Um So with that, oh, and our insurance, that's the highest one is paying for our insurance on property, and it's basically just liability insurance on the property. So, um, uh, we can pretty much cover all of those things. It's going beyond that that it took us, I think, four years to be able to save up 9,000 just to put concrete down underneath by one of the 89y old going over relatives and we were able to finally get this concrete covered for 9,000 underneath the pavilion. Um, but I'd like to go forward even farther than that and see if we can get someone in in the summer for kids camps, bring the children to the school, going out to schools and getting more kids in. They need to experience that. And so if we can take care of the exterior, make sure we're good, then we shouldn't have any problem bringing that in. Also thinking about, oh, sometime we need to get security and have, you know, something we don't have any problems with trying to break in. That's something that the storehouse in Rockford just put in two years ago now. And we've never had that in before either. So I mean there's other things coming to protect it, but also we want to open it. how this go forward. >> So my my concern is this. I think it was maybe a year year and a half ago I think you were here >> and uh then Councilman Botmma uh had some questions and he had asked is this it was a request for I think $100,000 >> that's probably the 72,000 >> 72 okay >> but a significant amount of money and uh and he had asked is this it is this the end do is is this all or are we going to keep coming back to the well? And I was here and I heard you say, "No, this is it." >> Well, I thought it was >> and now you're coming back to the well. >> So, I'm just >> And I'm hoping the g I think we can sustain as we are when this is completed. And if anything else should come up, we're just going to have to start putting out letters to alumni and community to say, "We need your help. We can't do it alone. And it's happening this year. We got about $5,000 just in donations coming in. So, I know it can happen. If Summerfest doesn't happen anymore, we can still reach out to those that are because they still live in the area. >> So, >> is there a reason why you haven't reached out to them for this amount? >> Um, I have and that's why we've got what we did. I got you know this year I have reached out sent out letters appeal letters to everybody. It's also we could probably do less than 13 but to cover what we have to do I think this will be secure so that we can go forward with some in our pocket so then we can not have to come back is what I'm hoping. >> Okay. So I don't want it to be. >> So this is for a repair and some >> painting. Some buffer. >> Oh, painting and then >> then some leftover. >> Yeah, the leftovers that I thought we would be fine and then when you go and look at it, we're not fine. It's all chipping off. >> Just they they've been they started working on it last Monday. >> Yes. Yes. I mean, they've been going to town and they are replacing some of the siding, but it's got to be replaced with the same type of pine and everything. >> I'm going to go ahead with it. >> He's going the weather's good now. And if I wait to hear from you. >> Yep. >> It's going to be sighting. So, >> and in in my mind and Mark to your point, I think I would asked, "Is this it? Is there anything else? Do you see anything else?" And and Bonnie said exactly that. Nope. This is it. And I'm like, >> it was I believe it was red. When was it painted was part of the conversation, too. It was changed to white because that was the original color. I remember you telling me >> on the national. >> So, I mean, they've been doing an awesome job for a bunch of folks that need more volunteers as everybody does around here. >> They've gone 30 some years with no help >> and just just struggling along and taking care of it themselves. >> If we would have stuck helped with that money, the the school would have been in dire needs. The new roof looks beautiful. The bell tower is outstanding. The chimney is in place. It is an historical piece. It would be if we could maybe get tree rivers interested in doing >> some joints and stuff like that just >> so it's it's been proposed to the planner on multiple occasions uh and we were going to be discussing it uh when they come back for uh if you recall they're going to be doing a regional park search area. >> Now we don't have the acreage surrounding the school that would make it an attractive an >> yeah attractive site inclusively, but it might be uh because we were just talking about the the trail that Mr. Kanimi must do. Uh so there's currently easement that could come off of that trail and and make it to the school. >> And if if we were to oh desire to we could work with the property owner potentially to connect the school and the trail to that uh to that trail head that's right on the corner. >> Could be a destination. So, so that would be a way that that could attract Three Rivers to it. We've started the conversation, but it's it's in the wrong spot in the planning cycle. >> Y So, >> so then too, just some of the other things that I was thinking about too, Bonnie, you brought that up is is insurance is liability insurance. It is it because if something happens to this property, how do you replace historical things? Um, and then I had been thinking quietly to myself of a security system, those kind of things. Right now, not much of a lock on the doors and the glasses, old school glass and everything else, but that it can just morph into something really really big. But, uh, >> I'm happy to help you suggest I can suggest some, uh, like ring type security stuff. It's relatively easy. I think most of us probably have it at home, right? um >> that you can kind of customize yourself and not too expensive um to kind of have some cameras, sensors for glass break type stuff like that. I'm happy to talk with you. >> Okay. So, >> and then last thing, summer fest happens every year. Try to get there. >> Yeah, it's fun. >> Please. It is >> great event. >> Um the mayor has won door prizes the last two years because they've had to bring them to him. Uh the city administrator miss with her tropical plant that currently resides in our >> backyard. I want a couple of Dominoes pizzas. I lost out on that. >> You want to end from Jeremy? >> It's great stuff. >> Just another fundraising opportunity might be it's very picturesque there. >> A lot of people like to take fall family photos. You might want to like arrange a photographer and maybe charge people to come in and get their photo taken by the school or the environment around it just as another way to get people interested in the site. >> We have people stopped by their weddings, but >> yeah, you could probably find a way to to monetize some of that. >> I know Michelle had some >> we can do so we can pull in our finances, not by having city numbers. So that's that's our goal. >> Gotcha. >> I would like to see us be able to spend some of the charitable gambling on other things. >> Yes. And I'm going to bring that up after. Well, and I was just going to add there's only specific things that charitable gambling can cover. Yep. >> So, I feel like our school is one of the only like historical monuments we have in Corkran. So, I think it's beneficial that the city can utilize gambling funds to assist with different repairs and maintenance. And to say that this is the last maintenance item you're going to have on the school is that's not realistic. I mean, there's going to be other things that come up. And I think that you should continue to come to the council and ask for assistance because I think it's an important part of our community and it's the last schoolhouse >> in how many miles like what is the nearest other schoolhouse like that schoolhouse? >> One only one in the state that's open. >> I know there's one center. I know there's one. >> No, they're not open like you are. Are they? >> Right. >> I know of the three. That's all I know in the state of Minnesota. >> Yeah, there's not very many. >> We were one of five that put PBS. >> Very cool. >> Wasn't there a book, too? I want to say there's a book with the school in it as well. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I I'm I fully support any maintenance projects. I think it's a a good way to use gambling funds and it benefits so many kids in our school districts. and I don't want to say I'll never come back, but I hope I will never come back. I'd rather not. >> So, thank you very much. >> Thank you. Um, so we did have a motion and a second on there. Is there anything else discussion wise? >> The motion uh was to fund the 13,000. >> Yes. >> Okay. Did we get itemized information on what we've already spent and then itemized information? No, I'm talking from the school on the entirety was spent, we get the bill or we just paid the bill. Do you know what I'm saying? So, so the reason we don't do that, >> okay, >> uh is is because when we give it away as funds, uh we then trust that they are going to be good stewards. >> I agree. >> Yeah. >> I just for public just so everybody >> so we we we do we do not audit them. Uh they don't submit invoices to us. We write them a check and trust that they will be good stewards of what they've been entrusted with >> and then we see it as evidence in the new uh the new chimney, the new roof. That was the only other thing that I had in the back of my mind that I just remembered. So, thank you. >> All right. >> You are trusted. >> That I will call the vote. Uh all those in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed. >> Opposed. 41. All righty. And then in the sake of time, I'd like to uh propose something for it. you know, as J mentioned, uh, the uses or looking at some of the additional uses we could do with these funds as we have still pretty substantial, uh, sum in there and as J mentioned about 20 40kish coming in per year. Um, I had been kind of I went down a rabbit hole and kind of came up with a couple ideas that I think might really be worth looking into more um and maybe synergize well with a couple projects we have going on and upcoming with the city that could really I think add a lot of value. Um, so if council's okay with it, what I would like to do is maybe um get a make a motion to direct staff and I to put together a couple ideas that Jay and I have been bouncing off of each other in a more uh presentable format, bring it back to a future council meeting, and then we can have discussions on you guys like it, you want something else, some other ideas, change it >> based off of the rules. >> Yes. Yep. And it's all based off of >> I like it. uh all based off of the rules off of three or four two or three of >> could we include an idea to do some sort of art project or art something in the city. >> Sure. >> Within that because that is one of the uses for the gambling funds would be a specific art. >> Yeah, I will make a note of that. And um >> one other thing too when I was reading >> parks could benefit as far as baseball, soccer, those kind of things. Isn't that >> do we take any money out of it now for parks and stuff? So, put that on your list. >> That's on the list, >> please. It already was. That was a big one. >> On the list >> is uh we have no or little backing from our schools districts that we're in >> to help with park stuff. >> They would have money for that. >> I'm just saying. I mean, everybody else has I mean, you go to Maple Grove, they've got plenty of parks and many of the parks are >> I think you'll >> associated with the schools, everything good. I like it. >> If that's okay, I will make that motion then for uh me and staff to work together and Jay and staff and I to work together on uh putting that together, bringing it back at a future meeting kind of at Jay's discretion as when it fits best at on the agenda. I'll >> second that. Perfect. Is that a fire motion? Um, >> he's making one. >> Yeah, I'm making one. I don't know. >> I'll vote for it. >> Okay. >> I don't know if you need >> motion. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> You made the motion, didn't you? Or did I make the motion? I made the motion. You seconded it. >> Okay. Uh, all those in favor say I. >> I. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you. And with that, uh, Jay, do we have any staff reports? >> Uh, on a personal note, my wife finished radiation. Thank you. So, uh, I will not be in the office tomorrow. We're headed to the woods. >> Good. Give her our best. >> And I hope, as I replied to your Dale, I hope nothing but better days >> going forward. I hope it works. It'll be a long time to know, but >> thank you. >> It's a big deal. >> I saw the picture ringing the bell and she looked pretty happy. If you heard her, she was laughing. She was just It was It was awesome. >> Every day for how long it's been? >> Uh, so this part has been six weeks. a long unknown. So, >> worse. >> Uh, so nothing else. >> Okay. And council updates. I just had reports, updates, whatever. I have a couple um things that are pretty obvious. Let's see here. Park in the park is tomorrow at >> 3 to 6 at um at Heritage Park, but it's not where it was last year. It's on the county road 10 side that >> park. You'll a giant sign that tells you to pull into that lot. >> So, if you can make that uh if you just want to be around pups or if you have a pup and >> or several dressing demonstration at >> Are we doing that too? >> Yeah, we've got two presentations. One at four to learn how to be the alpha and then one at 5 which is going to be our canine. >> I think Jay's bruised just healed. So, >> I will not be bit tomorrow. >> Yeah, I got you. Hope you won't. Can I nominate somebody to be >> Is it you? >> Too funny. Um, so there's that tomorrow. Uh, other upcoming events, uh, St. Thomas has a groundbreaking ceremony that's coming up. Just wanted to shout that out because it's Sunday, September 21st. >> Yep. >> It's big deal. 11:30. >> Yes. >> Very big deal. >> The Did you guys get number? >> I will be there. >> Perfect. I'll be there as well. Um, looking forward to it. Is is there anybody? Do we need to do a public notice? Sounds like you have three. >> I won't be there. >> Oh, you won't be there. You'll be there. Okay. >> Just immediate. So, it should be good. That change has let staff know. Um, but should be fun. I was excited to see that coming so quickly. Uh, I feel like every time they present something, it's like, well, that's a lot sooner than I thought it would. >> I'm excited for that building. Looks gorgeous what they're going to do. So, that should be great. >> Um, and then Obviously, at our next meeting or prior to our next meeting, we have our water treatment groundbreaking ceremony. Um, so for council that's here, >> I I will send you an email with the details. I don't want to put it fair enough out right now. >> Do we need to reply or send an RSVP? >> I'm presuming that you're going to be >> presuming council me. Yeah. >> Thank you. >> The the card is for other potential guests. >> Okay. >> We've gotten a few RSVPs. I think some of the um senators and house reps that we've invited, I think maybe one or two might make it and some will be in DC uh and maybe we'll send a chief of staff or someone on their staff in theirstead and then I think we should have um our state reps I believe. >> It'll it'll be details explaining where you need to be and what time. >> Cool. >> Great. And with that, does anyone else have anything? I've got a list I'll try and run through as quick as possible. How's that? >> Sounds good. >> Um, I've gotten phone calls related to construction time on Heritage Park. They're beefing, honking, moving equipment and stuff before the 7 a.m. start time. I've asked the people to call and issue a concern. They won't, so they call me. So, that was number one. Um, number two, Heather Lane Construction, the Heather Meadows, if that's what it's called. Um, somebody dropped off a huge piece of equipment between 3 and 4 a.m. this morning. I got a call. >> Um, and then, um, I got two other calls from the neighbors upset about construction. I wanted to confirm, Kevin, once this is done, if Heather Lane needs an overlay or repair, it will happen related to this construction. >> Yeah, we do. We documented the road condition before, and we'll document it after. And if there's something >> Okay. And I that's what I've told these people. They were even at council meetings. I asked those questions. I just want to make sure that hadn't changed yet. So, I appreciate that very much. I'm almost done. Um, a few weeks ago I talked about and I don't know if I put it on public record a crosswalk. Um, it was shortly after um, Night Unite, Robert Lane and Steve Road. Those neighbors to the north are concerned because there's paths to the road but no crosswalk there. And it was nice if their concern was related to their new neighbors to the south in Bellweather and Amberly and such. Those folks are crossing the road and walking through their neighborhood which they have no issue with, but a crosswalk there. I don't know if that was um put on record or anything, but I did have folks asking about that on 199. Um, thank you very much for the time spent cleaning up the yard around the water treatment and the water tower. >> It was a contractor, but we had we on them, but the contractor technically did that. >> Please yelling at them and thank them for that. >> I was going to bring it up as far as one of the payment plans there was seating and stuff and uh when I drove by today, everything was cleaned up. Actually, I drove by a couple of days ago and things were done. So, I appreciate that. Thank you very much. Um, I don't know how who to direct the people to on the noise and stuff in constru over at Heather Lane. They said they called the non-emergency number. An officer called back um but said there was nothing he could do because it was public a public road. But construction times, those kind of things need to be monitored. So, I don't know who was on. They didn't who was on it was this morning. Um but uh if if we could get that cleared up and straightened up, I'd appreciate no early calls in the morning. And then the last thing um and Jay, I talked to you about this, the emails from Mom Maj, specifically Greg Olsen. It looks like he is engaged now in some recent emails that you've had with him related to but the one email that I did have I shared with you Jay and if you guys want me to read it after a number of conversations with him I can because it's basically saying none of us or city staff which I assume would include police and such would be allowed on the property. You want me to read it quick? I'll read it in his words specifically. >> Dean, I guess you don't understand. I was hoping one positive thing could happen in my 25 years of dealing with the city of Corkran. Not a chance. Not a surprise as well. Guess I want to let you know you and your city members are no longer welcome at Mama G's establishment. I will put a formal no trespass in the mail regards Greg Olsen. Mama juice. Um I had worked with him or talked with him about um he had sent us all emails. Don't know if you guys have received them. Nobody has responded and I'm the only one that has responded is what he's saying. Um he continually writes, "We ran Quick Trip out of town." I asked him to specifically stop doing that because we passed that on with the biggest stipulation that probably um changed it was the hours of operation from 6:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. or 10 p.m. Um I told him he needed to contact staff related to a occupancy number in his building and it was related to believe he has >> he has said that again I I said we do not regulate the number of pull tab boxes electronic pull tabs those kind of things that is a state deal but he still keeps coming back to us and it looks like Jay you copied us on emails and such that you're working and he looks happy but it's not the emails I got as I I shared them with you directly last week when I got that but do I need to ask Are we allowed there? Are we back in good grace? I know Michelle, you play volleyball there and such. Do we I know our staff spends time there sometimes. Um and then do police respond since it would be no trespassing. Is that a different case? I'm not pleased because it is it is it is not been polite and all of a sudden I see emails when I get here that you've been doing him. I don't know why my tablet didn't update, but everything looks like there's no issues anymore. So, >> so Mr. Mayor, uh, of of the exchange, I I did provide an update related to his questions uh, about occupancy. The one that I am concerned, and I spoke with Mr. Thes about this, we have not received a no trespass in the mail. However, if it's been stated, uh, if if council directs me to, I think it's appropriate because we do have council members and staff, lots of different staff for different reasons that that frequent there to get clarity on Mr. Olsen's intent to ensure that we don't violate what he desires and put any of our employees or >> I'll make a motion to direct staff in that regard. >> I'll second it. >> Any further discussion? >> All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. I I I will come back and let you know what I find out. Perfect. >> Thanks. And I believe that's all everything on my laundry list. Sorry about that, folks. >> No worries. Anything else? >> With that, I will entertain a motion to adjurnn. So moved. Second. >> You get to pick. All those in favor say I. I.