[Music] [Music] [Music] Miss Miss [Music] all with back [Music] Bri all right Madam clerk good morning is that Taylor Swift I'm hear oh it's her birthday we celebrate All Things appropriately inside councilor you Do's pretty all right mad mayor you ready we are all set can I all right good morning everyone thank you so much for being here we are going to start off the regular city council meeting it is Wednesday December 13 2023 and I am going to um let's see we are going to start off with the pledge allegiance we also have my mayor for the day future mayor mayor Pierce Presley Pierce so we're super excited to have you and so I would love if you would start off leading Us in the pledge what do you think yeah okay good I pledge alce to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for it stands one nation under God with liy and justice for all great job all right Madam clerk I am going to send it to you uh for roll call thank you Madame mayor council member breus I'm here der here Martinez here eert absent at this time Taylor here Rees here shivi here mayor for the day Presley Pierce here Madame Mayors you do have a quorum of the Reno city council okay thank you so much so good morning it is so nice to have you here I was very impressed when we met and I said you've got to come be mayor for the day and you took me up on it so why don't you tell our guests a little bit about where you go to school what do you want to be when you grow up all the future Visions tell us a little bit about it um I go to Bud Beasley Elementary School and I want to be an author um because I love to write and um you're working on a book yeah I'm working on a book right now okay tell them what your book is called it's called cities unknown cities unknown cities unknown but we're known right what is the book about um what unknown cities yeah pretty much very cool well we are very excited to have you today today so thank you very much for being here um is there anything else that you would like to um tell our audience um not really are you nervous M no you can't tell all right well thank you so much for being here before we go into roll call we have something also incredibly special I don't think he he knows it but um we have a special Proclamation for an officer that retired HED from the Reno Police Department so we are very excited about that I wanted to express my gratitude to this wonderful individual who has done so much work in our city that is Brandon cassanelli we would love he doesn't know it so this is a surprise to him so he's probably very embarrassed and I just want to say thank you so much I what people don't know about you is Brandon really paved the way for a lot of Mental Health Services with inside the department actually we were the first in the country because of his work and his advocacy y for an embedded re embedded re an embedded resource officer um that brings mental health with inside departments a lot of times um unfortunately some of our officers go for a long time without recognizing some of those symptoms but because of your work and everything that you have done um I honestly can't thank you enough I was so fortunate to work with you on Mental Health it was both of our it's still both of our passions so we have councilman Reese who really said I want to read it not only that I my readers are not strong enough today so councilman Reese please take it away well thank you it's an honor to be before you um Brandon and I go way back and so I'll read the proclamation but it says uh whereas Brandon cassanelli began his career with the Reno Police Department at age 19 and retired in September of 2023 after demonstrating dedication and leadership in advancing the well-being of the RPD personnel and whereas Brandon has conducted critical incident stress debriefs providing crucial support to RPD Personnel in the aftermath of high stress incidents has delivered deescalation training to local agencies to benefit the broader law enforcement community and whereas Brandon has Foster relationships with mental health partners regionally and nationally ensuring access to specialized treatment for First Responders facing unique mental health challenges and whereas working as an embedded resource officer Brandon positively impacted the lives of the RPD employees preventing adverse outcomes such as substance abuse criminal issues divorces and suicides and whereas Brandon while Brandon was working made a vital and lasting impact on RPD his most important Legacy is that he loves being a father and his wonderful partner to Danica now therefore I Devon ree on behalf of Hillary shivy mayor of the City of Reno Nevada do hereby declare December 13 2023 as Brandon cassanelli day yay thank [Music] you well so a little story here I want to just say Brandon before you run away yeah stay right here because we'd love to get a picture but I want to tell everyone Brandon retired without anyone knowing he thought he was going to get away quietly did and we wanted to make sure that we recognized him because I know that he's very embarrassed and shy right now but it was really important that we honored you because I don't we had had many stressful events together some of the toughest I have ever seen and you have gone and done such incredible work especially some very difficult tragedies in this city I I don't even know how you you did it honestly this one a good support well honestly um I received so many phone calls after you had been there held family members hands officers hands um citizens hands that called me and said I couldn't have made it through the loss and the tragic grief without officer cassanelli so you need to know how valuable um you are and have been to the City of Reno so thank you so much Madam mayor if I keep on a little extra praise Brandon although we didn't work directly together I was very aware of what you were doing the entire time and the fact that having an embedded mental health officer in our Police Department is really to my knowledge uh one of the first in the country uh to to take that step and recognize how challenging our uh police service is on a day-to-day basis the training the reality of the job and then as the years go by the impact that it makes that it has on our officers and for you to be an officer and a mental health specialist is very rare and very unusual and we are so grateful that you are here and that you uh blessed us with the work that you did for our community so thank you and and this uh Proclamation that um council member Reese r highly deserved thank you so much and thank you to your wife and family for sharing you with us it was my honor truly thank you for the opportunity yeah of course and I just want to you're exactly right we were pretty much the first City to do it and it was actually Brandon that paved the way and what's super cool about that is that now other cities are following suit because of his great work so I don't know if he really realizes the magnitude what you've done at the conference of Mayors to put other embedded resource officers throughout this country so that's quite a legacy so I want you to know it's very special and Danica you are amazing you're right you are the support system I don't know how you do it you have beautiful children and this one I would take home in a minute so if you want to give her up I'm I got you you can borrow her anytime anyway thank you so much for being here Brandon is there anything you want to say he's he's very red just thank you again thank you for the opportunity to do it it was it was my honor oh absolutely and the work's not done so no that's exactly right that's exactly right thank you all right all right thank you so much all right okay Madam clerk we are going to go into public comment thank you Madame mayor our first item today is opening public comment members of the public may hear observe and provide public comment virtually by registering through the following link which can be found on reno.gov meetings https colli i n KS period r r e n o period goov sl4 6 W capital f m g capital J it should be noted for those in attendance that comments are to be addressed to the mayor and Council as a whole comments heard under this item will be limited to 3 minutes per person and may pertain to matters both on and off the council's agenda Council may not take action upon any matter not agendized on today's agenda when called on for public comment please state your name for the record and begin speaking the timer will begin when you say your name and you will be afforded 3 minutes for those participating in Chambers in accordance with Council rules 6.3.1 one while in this room please be respectful disruptive behavior from audience members like clapping yelling whistling Etc which impede the meeting May result in a warning issued by the presiding officer if the if the behavior continues you may be removed from chambers if you're an attendee in the zoom meeting and would like to make public comment please raise your hand at this time our first public commenter is wasow County School Board trustee Adam Mayberry followed by Alexis motorx good morning Mr Mayberry good morning and my district is also Beasley Elementary so I'm delighted to see you here today good morning uh Madame mayor manager thornly members of the Reno city council my name is Adam Mayar I'm here today at the request of uh Board of trustee president Beth Smith for the was County School District I'm representing my capacity as an atlarge trustee uh representing as I said District F including several properties uh the school district has across the City of Reno the district is certainly familiar with the challenges providing critical services to our community to that end I want to begin by emphasizing that we appreciate the need for the proposed storm water ordinance and so much I will improve the city of Reno's ability to continue to deliver for our region the district has been engaged in every step of the way and that we provide a multiple business impact statements to the city and we appreciate the collaborative approach on the subject also want to emphasize a few a few key facts related to the school district number one it has been made clear that all capital revenue streams received by was County School District including specifically the wc1 funds are legally not allowed to be used to pay for this or similar ongoing fees that means that the general fund revenues must be used to pay this fee that's the same source which uh pays for our teachers and more than 98% of our general fund comes from the state and adjusted by annually and outside of our control uh that funding historically does not keep Pace with inflation and in fact in some years has been reduced and finally number three is the district has no ability to raise revenues nor pass a law on these new fees to our customers all impacts from this new fee must be absorbed by our general fund and so this is an extremely unique and strength uh across all city of renal customers from a school district's perspective again we very much respect and responsibility the city has to our community regarding storm water we appreciate the process and partnership which has allowed us to arrive at this point however I just want to make sure that the council is clearly aware of the unique constraints which wcsd must work with then consider these constraints carefully when finalizing any new impact fee upon our schools and we'll have our professional staff PR at the meeting during the hearing I think specifically this is item E4 that I'm speaking on I apologize I didn't note that at the beginning uh again thank you for all the the work you're doing in our city and your service and we wish you and your staff a very happy Hanukkah wonderful holiday season a merry Christmas thank you thank you for your service thank you Alexis motorx followed by Tammy Holt good morning good morning uh my name is Alexis motorx with the Nevada chapter associated general contractors the ACCC represents over 300 members in and around the commercial construction industry here in Northern Nevada unfortunately I am here in opposition to items E1 through 4 on the agenda today make no mistake the AGC understands the need for storm water infrastructure improvements and understands that there will be a cost to that we have long supported reasonable and responsible policies that make any number of investments in our community we are not opposed to a new fee but we are opposed to the method and approach in the proposed ordinance before you today in January of this year we met with City staff where they provided an overview of the need and presented our members with the first draft of the ordinance we expressed concerns at that meeting with the proposal were asked by staff to submit written comments which we did and were promised followup we appreciated that conversation and looked forward to an ongoing dialogue to find the right solution unfortunately that F followup never happened the next time we saw any proposed language was 11 months later when the agenda for this meeting was posted and that is also when we saw that none of our concerns had been addressed again we understand there is a need but there are significant flaws with this language that you will be considering later today by not exempting government-owned facilities you're taxing tax dollars this will likely result in Reno residents paying additional fees to numerous government agencies to support the storm water storm water utility fee effectively double taxing Reno residents and while we can appreciate the attempt to provide a credit to the school district for teaching storm water curriculum the City of Reno does not have that Authority that is the responsibility of the state we'd like to see a sunset on the collection of the fee while there will be ongoing maintenance costs there there is no reason to collect the same amount you need for construction as you will for maintenance we understand the impact of inflation that inflation can have on construction costs probably more than anyone but feel that automatic inflationary adjustments should be capped at 3 and a half% and require Council approval and similar to BAC we would also like to see an oversight board created consisting of business interest in the community and rate payers in order to ensure the effective and transparent use of these funds given those reasons we respectfully ask that you do not take action on the proposed ordinance before you and instead direct staff to continue to work with stakeholders in good faith to find solution to this issue thank you thank you thank you good job Tammy Holt still followed by Mark marel good morning Miss holtel good morning overhead overhead thank you Tammy Holt still for the record I am before you very disappointed very angry especially at 3 on the board um back in 2019 when you voted to put dewater Swan Lake and take it over to the Hayfield I told you at that time that that water was not a affluent and that it would damage somebody down the road and it did here is our proof in 20121 the um equal ey in caulif FL was off the charts along with the ph and I Told You So number two I went back this this year in 23 I had the water tested where it's picked up at same thing caulif or eoli off the Tarts arsenic off the Tarts pH off the Tarts then you add in the big hooa about the paa that nothing's been done as of yet neglected to talk about the of um waste the medical waste that had there was a thesis on that nobody wants to talk about and put it under the table and then I flew over Swan Lake by commercial plane there is the body of water right now it's close to getting ready to flood again and we're in Winter and you're putting in 2 million gallons of AFF fluent a day to show you how even more dangerous it is there is this is the stad or the wasow County Sewer facility that wasow County Sewer facility is supposed to have 9 to 11 individual retention detention ponds for evaporation of their class sea affluent do you see that there's not that there no water can't there's no way that that sewer plant can work properly at the way it is so after getting all my evidence together I have gone to congressman amaday and I have spoke with him he knows about it he's been working with with you guys trying to get the information that I had requested up team times regarding your um daily monitoring reports and the quality of the water discharged I am before you now one of you is on the Health Board we have clusters of cancer Among Us now we have a major health issue with that Lake it's going to take the Washo County Board of Health and the City of Reno and Washo County to do their jobs you have to find a solution and amade is willing to work with you guys to do so and I expect it to be done I am tired of being sweet and kind anymore it's time for you guys who have been on this board to do your jobs thank you thank you Mark marel followed by Bill shrimp can say good morning Mark good morning Mark good morning how are you Merry Christmas don't just hi good morning city council member m mayor and city council members and City I'm sorry city manager how are you F uh my name is Mark marel and I'm a concerned Junior resident I I was involved in a drun driving crash back in 89 and God R me alive and sent me here to warn you people and show you people what can happen if you drive with a drunk driver I was in the a motor vehicle crashed back in 89 we well I I was seriously injured the car landed on my head I can't walk anymore I have trouble talking as you can tell and I can't see very good or hear very good and I just don't want you people to go through what I went through what I'm going through I I lost my wife back in 97 I and my dad five months later I I went through a lot stuff and I just don't want to see you people go through what I went through please don't drinking drive a drive with drunk driver thank you thank you thank you good message good message thank you especially this time of year Bill shrimp followed by Terry Brooks think sorry am I your way you take all the time you need man no worries thank you absolutely you're cool dude I appreciate your message than go ahead good morning Mr Shrimp oh you even said it right good morning Madame mayor of the day how are you thank you good good thank you do you like stars mad mayor of the day yes yes I actually came here to kind of talk about that one thing that I want the council and everybody to know is tonight the Geminids meteor shower is peeking we don't have very many clouds tonight it should be clear we have a small Moon so tonight after dinner grab a warm drink go outside look up you should be able to see shooting stars tonight the other thing I came here to talk about is a Keystone Avenue Keystone Avenue Bridge replacement uh it's moving forward it's being managed by RTC they had a great open house last week something very interesting is happening with this or could happen anyway and it's the possibility to connect via pedestrian path or bike path uh but to connect newand Park up on California Avenue all the way down to ID wild through the river uh River Walk and potentially all the way down to Arlington so it's kind of an interesting opportunity uh I hope we keep an eye on that so thank you very much and have a wonderful day today you thank you my pleasure okay Terry Brooks followed by Wanda cardali Terry Terry good morning well hello mayor for the day good morning to you too and by the way I'm writing a book too I knew you would have something I just knew it good morning it's me Terry Brooks again and today I'd like to engage in the topic of discrimin ation when it comes to housing and age there are a lot of elderly people who have lived in houses that they did own but as they got a lot older the maintenance work for it had grown taking care of their house involved chore after chore and as they got a lot older they just couldn't do it anymore they realized that much of their energy came and then it went and they could feel more comfortable in a really small apartment some housing owners have respect for the elderly but other owners discriminate against the elderly they refuse to rent to the elderly calling them old and scile they say they'd forget to pay their rent and only live there for a while these owners don't want to waste their space to those who are so old even if such elderly people might wind up out in the cold they say that such elderly people are less likely to do a minor repair and are more likely to have an accident like falling out of a chair they say that the old are weak and have much poor eyesight and that they are less likely to remember to turn off the kitchen light they say that the elderly use a lot less hygiene and because they're old and lazy they won't keep the P Place very clean because of all these things many elderly people may find it very difficult to find a place to stay but there are housing owners who do have hearts of gold who make good and safe places available to those who are old I'd like to thank the City of Reno for all their affordable housing available to so many elderly people who need safe and affordable housing I would like to thank you all for listening to me today I really like coming here so this might be a good place for me to stay thank you oh and by the way I'd also like to say I hope everyone here has a wonderful holiday thank you thank you good job okay Wanda cardinali followed by Georgina Mendoza good morning I'm Wanda cardinelli I'm here regarding this storm water utility I'm asking that you please consider that the city has more than one drainage district and they should all be treated the same the lack of over oversight by the city of declarants and Builders when they develop and are under Army Corp Direction leaves homeowners on the hook when the declarant leaves and are not in compliance when the homeowner run boards or the next declarant if they choose to buy them out are trying to get those in compliance that that the city did not enforce nor know about because Army Corps rules and City lack of oversight they absorb the the HOAs absorb a very heavy financial burdened and this is just this just adds to it so all should be treated the same the prior build ordinance allowed for everyone in the Southeast Reen that paid to maintain drainage waterways to apply for a variance this was not clear as clear was it for the a homeowners or for the HOAs now it sounds like just double uh dman Ranch that is able to apply or will call qualify for that ordinance I am imploring you to treat everyone the same that is in the drainage districts dman has Don dman Ranch has not maintain the white top in Steamboat leaving others Downstream dealing with army Corp so that is a rewarding non-compliance Behavior I also want to confirm that there is an enforcement compon component to this ordinance I have been coming to the council since 2017 regarding more enforcement issues I have to pay into this as a homeowner and to both drainage districts and a Master Association seems like triple dipping and and while I have had to absorb the expenses of a declarant that has that was not forthcoming to the city nor its board has increased the cost of the HOAs in a hard-hitting way on all homeowners since NRS does not require full funding of reserves and HOAs when they leave and then suddenly turn over properties with costs not being funded I am not wanting to come and complain and not have Solutions and suggestions and I'm more than willing to meet and discuss a few simple ideas and items the city can do to make sure that the issues my drainage district has had to deal with are not continuing issue as for storm water utility oh what happened as for the storm if it is coming it is it needs to be fair to all parties and similar groups with compliant enforcement thank you thank you Georgina Mendoza followed by sylvana Olivier [Music] Martinez for [Music] for [Music] [Music] [Music] for [Music] foras thank you madam mayor may I just suggest that council member Martinez these would make some great members of the youth city council their passion for our unsheltered community is very impressive and very thoughtful great suggestion thanks good morning Renos Cel the issue that I would like to discuss with you all today is regarding the homeless people that have been growing in numbers around the city of Reno almost anywhere I drive around right now I at least see a few homeless people remaining around the streets it's not an applying look for people who come visit Rena I found that a lot of people that are here visiting ask if they are safe here it's more common to see tents sides and parks where it should be safe space for children and anywhere who who wants to have fun crawly time outside I have nephews of my own truthfully I don't feel safe taking them to the park at current time due to how many homeless people are around it's really sad to see how now that the weather is getting colder people have nowhere to go they usually run run to a Calon public area too to get a kind of rest of the in the religion to this I think think there should be more shelter to help out homeless espe especially around this time where un it is unable to outside for it's no no safe to be outside no longer for 30 minutes no one deserve to have have to sleep outside and be looked at a certain way to no one is perfect everyone has their Dawn fs and sometimes just needed little hope to get their life going again what said I think they think that having more shelters and offering more help to the homeless could fix the important issue that the world is facing today but we can start off today in the little biggest city in the world thank you for your time great comments thank you Scott Finley followed by Dina swart if I could uh get the overhead projector please please enter my comment and these documents into the record per NRS 241 my name is Scott Finley I am a resident of waso County and have a military background in the financial management and com controller career field of the United States Air Force global climate change is not a problem while environments all around the world might appear static in the short term in reality they are very Dynamic the main culprit being blamed for climate change is carbon dioxide this blame is a result of computer models that have been programmed to make predictions yet those predictions fail regularly despite the inaccuracies of the predictions carbon dioxide has been preemptively labeled as a pollutant which I find to be problematic the Reon reason is because by labeling carbon dioxide of pollutant it detracts from definitive verifiable and well documented pollutants like Mercury lead lithium past Arsenic and much more if we had to choose between reducing pollution from carbon dioxide or pollution from toxic compounds like the high levels of past Arsenic and medical waste found in Swan Lake government policy would likely dictate that the reduction of pollution from carbon dioxide is vastly more important and would take Pres heavy metals and compounds like past are toxic to virtually all life forms on Earth not carbon dioxide due to the immense complexity in the multitude of microclimates on Earth which all interact with one another forming Earth's macroclimate we cannot say for certain that the that a warmer Earth is a bad thing however what is certain is change and much of it is uncontrollable water vapor itself is a greenhouse gas no different than carbon dioxide however it would be silly to say water is a pollutant that must be reduced when water is necessary for photosynthesis to occur and is critical for all life on Earth while more water is necessary by tapping aquifers desalinization or other means in order to sustain global population levels a percentage of this new water brought to the surface ends up evaporating into the atmosphere combustion engines always have two products carbon dioxide and water I think the most pressing environmental problem facing our country and Humanity as a a a whole is the unknown in general there are way too many moving variables to be able to ascertain the source of global climate change or if it is truly even a problem for this reason it is best to stick with what we know what practices are most healthy and optimal for cultivating life in our environment environments and adapt the only thing for certain is change for these reasons the Renu city council must pass a resolution affirming that it will focus on M tigating the high levels of past Arsenic and medical waste found in Swan Lake over climate change propaganda like carbon emissions thank you good morning mayor shivi and council members my name is Dena swiger and I am the operations manager at notable Music Therapy Services I just came to say hi and give you a little update on what we've been up to um you guys have all been really supportive in our project of the last year we bought a building in 2021 and um have been renovating 177,000 Square ft as a regional center for music therapy and health in the community um and we are on the verge of finishing that remodel um we should be done in early March and we have been able to continue programming throughout that time and in the last six months have um started several new kids classes um we did an 8-week caregiver support group for um mothers and caregivers of adults and children with disabilities which was incredible um and we're hoping that we're on track to reach our goal in 2025 with doubling our capacity and serving over 2 200 people in the region um by that time so thank you so much again for your support for um helping us with our zoning Amendment for our commercial kitchen you guys have been really helpful with that it's been kind of confusing and so we appreciate that and your continued support um and I hope you all have really happy holidays and we'll see you soon we have actually a building update tomorrow all of you are invited it's at 4:30 we have a little cocktail party if anyone wants to come and see the progress and our new Auditorium um you are welcome to come do that and the next the next phase of this is is the outdoors so um we're partnering with Soulful seeds we'll have a community garden out there by next year we'll be doing free farmers markets and all kinds of fun things in an event space and so we look forward to your continuing support so 4:30 tomorrow if you want to come check out and have a coil so much it your building is impressive I was there when you you opened and we were awarding you with some um funding yes you were for the Ovation award I have to tell you it it is impressive I love what you're doing and it's so worthwhile it's exciting your partnership on the outdoor piece that's going to be so thank you yeah absolutely thank you thank you so much we appreciate the update too actually it's really good to know where everyone's at yeah it's nice to have people come back and tell you where the money is going right thank you so much yeah have a good holiday you too our final public commenter is amanii Davis good morning good morning good morning ladies and gentlemen of the re the Reno city of council my name is Amari Davis and I go to hug High School I came here to talk about the need of more public indoor basketball courts basketball has done a lot for me through thinking 10 times we need more indoor basketball courts for the community because there are times where we cannot just go to a park and put up shots and work on our game I can recall one time when I was a part of The Syndicate basketball team we had practice every Tuesday and Thursday at the local park this team wasn't just any team this team made me feel like a family this team made me feel like I belong a feeling I need it but then the winter it came around and it started to snow day by day so we had to cancel practice because of Courts being filled up with snow and during this time I had went into a depression stage because of the first time in my life I felt like I belonged and it was all taken from me just because of the winter the winter conditions basketball courts um indoor public basketball courts however indoor public basketball courts provide a safe and controlled environment for people to engage in physical activity and stay away from danger in throughout the city in the City of Reno where weather conditions can be unpredictable having indoor basketball courts ensures the residents can enjoy the the yearound game regardless of snow or extreme temperatures in this thing we call Life everyone needs their escape every once in a while public more indoor public basketball courts may just be that for some people in this world just being able to go through their local public indoor basketball courts can clear their mind block out any negative going on in their lives in conclusion the addition of more public indoor basketball courts is not just any about any sports it's about being building a healthier and more connected and Vibrant Community by making this investment we are ensuring the physical and social well-being of our residents than together we can make this a vision a reality thank you Amari great job thank you future Senator thank you I am impressed and I completely agree with you we need much more opportunities for our youth and especially in sports um it's really honestly it's so good for your mental health your physical health yes and your story is very compelling thank you it makes a difference whenever you come and speak to the council so they know what the community is really wanting to see yes and especially for your age group thank you I think your teacher would be proud who is your teacher Mr Johnson okay I'm going to write to Mr joh thank you I appreciate you great job thank you all right all right Madame mayor with that we have no additional live public comment we have no hands raised via Zoom so for the record we did receive five comments which were General in nature or not directly associated with an agenda item prior to 4m yesterday December 12th these comments were voicemail and or written correspondents received via our reno.gov online public comment form or by email to our office copies of these have been distributed to the Reno city council and are available on are available to the public on reno.gov there are five letters of concerns with that we're closing out opening public comment and we're moving on to item A4 approval of the agenda all right thank you madam clerk before we move on to approval of the agenda I'm going to send it over to our city manager I just want to know if you have any updates to this agenda I do thank you madam mayor with just a little bit of air traffic control today uh we have two items Delta 2 and Delta 3 um Delta 2 is the Acer the annual comprehensive financial report it needs a Time certain of 12:00 p.m. noon and uh Delta 3 is um an inquiry regarding the potential creation of a special assessment District uh and that needs to be heard immediately after D2 uh because of the number of Consultants who are involved in that all right thank you so much if I get ahead just stop me and keep us on track I'll move to approve all right I have a motion I have second all those in favor say I I all those opposed motion carries unanimously all right heading into Item B or no approval of the minutes see may I get a motion I don't see we don't have any minutes on this agenda to approve yeah we're moving on to item five says okay uh I'm G to head right into Item B consent agenda I'm going to start with how about um to my left Council Ebert yeah I'd like to pull um B5 B7 and B16 please all right thank you so much okay Council doer yeah um just see yeah I um I'm not pulling any today all right thank you so much councilman Reese nothing Madame mayor councilwoman Taylor nothing Mad May councilman Martinez me too you too councilman breas uh my uh one item was pulled already thank you that is which one um B hold on sorry B7 thank you for your interest okay thanks so much I'll move to approve all the remaining items okay I have a motion I have a second all those in favor say I I all those opposed motion carries uh let's head back to item B5 and I'm going to B2 oh no sorry B to councilman Martinez take it away thank you so much M mayor thank you m FR for being here I just had a quick question during the NAB I know this was a gendis and we heard a presentation from the applicants about it and so I see it listed in our agenda a little bit differently so I was just wondering if you can address some of the changes in the process for me sure Lance Fado uh director of business licensing for the record uh what specific question um would what would you like to What would like to know about project I think when they were coming to the nav it was more of a I don't know if it was a zoning Amendment or some sort of change this just seems like an approval um of their license so I was just wondering if they'll be fine going into business after just approving this license or will they still have to go through a different process after this they're good at the moment uh basically I believe what you're you're referring to is with a uh a conditional use permit and uh they had some conditions applied to them uh basically that the project is uh complies with code that that the applicant shall apply for a building permit for the project within 18 months priority to the license the applicant should have a copy of the final approval letter and then basically it just stipulated that indoor live entertainment activities sure uh require the doors and windows to be kept closed after 9: indoor live entertainment activities limited to 10: um or I'm sorry from 10: a.m. till 11:00 p.m. so that just specifically uh to have the live entertainment due to adjacency issues they had to have a conditional use permit and that got approved so now this is the approval of the privilege license okay perfect just want to make sure we were on track thank you so much forif absolutely with that I'm ready to motion okay second all right we have a motion from council member Martinez second from council member Rees um are there any further comments or questions on the motion see none all in favor please say I I I any opposed all right motion passes unanimously and then I think the next item was B5 as pulled by council member Ebert is there anyone here to talk about this Mr manager uh I can give you a brief synopsis of of what this is um some time ago as you'd see in the staff report uh the the Dutch Brothers there in South Virginia had a day where um some percentage of their sales was collected and pledged toward towards um I believe furniture and parts of the facilities that that that go towards making the uh MOA Springs Aquatic Facility um something we can be even more proud of uh they want to donate it today and our rules required to be on the agenda for the council to accept and I'll just mention if I may uh that myself and our uh Parks director were there that day to to kind of oversee what was happening and how this was working okay all right um okay thank you all right do you want to make a motion uh motion to approve second all right we have a motion from council member eert second from council member ree are there any further comments or questions on the motion all right seeing none all in favor please say I I any opposed all right motion passes unanimously and then we have item B7 as pulled by council member Ebert and it sounds like council member breast too yeah I just had some questions on um what this agreement is and how it works um something that was of interest to me in the last election was um how many polling places we had in my ward um there was only I believe one for the the primary and two for the general election so I just wanted to know a little bit more about um what this uh what this agreement is and how how it'll function of course so you see the city clerk uh is approaching the lect turn and she'll have the details on this but uh as you'll recall the city does not um although we have the authority to do so it is not coste effective for us to run our own Municipal elections when they run on the same schedule as the broader countywide Statewide and federal elections and so this is an interlocal agreement whereby uh waso County Prov provides for the polling places and the ballot Counting and things of that nature so that the clerk I think can answer your question in more detail thank you uh Mickey hunman city clerk for the City of Reno for the record um so council member Ebert not only or I guess I would say in addition to what manager Thornley indicated um we have two counties in the state of Nevada that are required to have a registar of Voters um and then in that there is language that also indicates that utilizing their services to manage elections in this capacity um is essentially the preferred method during Statewide and uh Federal elections okay so when we do this does the city have any um input on how many polling locations or where they go or anything or just we enter into agreement to say that they're going to handle this that's correct okay okay thank you um I'm going to just jump in here too and I'm going to ask um can we have input I you say we don't maybe we haven't ever but is it possible to send a request um I don't see how we've never done it before I don't see that that it would be um there would be any opposition at this point we're too late in the game to do that um the polling locations have already been designated and they're already established with the Secretary of State there's a series February elections for next no yes for next year's elections that's correct okay well I guess I would ask for for you Mickey to just check on both the primary in June and the November to see if there always seem to amending you know both with early voting and um establishment of voting locations I was a poll manager for about 8 years and uh the largest polling place in um wow County and um it just seems like there's always looking for improvement so it it could be a possibility great worth worth a conversation thank you um and then uh council member breus I think was next I do have a number of questions um so I've been you know I was just reading I haven't been briefed but that the process was county has really redoing and reorganizing they learned a lot from the last cycle and so they've they're working very hard to kind of reorganize how they're done elections and was that translate if that's true was that translated into this agreement being substantially modified from prior years so did anything change in this agreement yeah cuz we've done this rather it's on consent so it's routine and I'm just wondering if you I didn't get a red line copy how much was modified um there were a series of modifications that were made nothing that was really substantial um if anything we added more clarification we outlined the locations with which we were um authorizing the Washo County regist our voters to utilize for polling locations that has never been outlined in the in the agreement before so we really wanted to State hey these are the places that we're allowing you to be in um the other space that we modified or um indicated was a little bit more specificity to the Reno police departments and their involvement in um responding to polling locations that are in or out of um city limits so that was really the only two areas that we added any sort of substantial um language well I mean to the point of the polling locations um I noted um just by this conversation that one in my Ward plumis Gym you know it's our facility is not listed and it has been in the past and I'm just wondering why that one has dropped off or you know are we do you know are we seeing that plume um that um you know early polling locations need to be dropped down because there's so much more access through the mail is that I can't answer that question um our was County regar voters is the one that establishes the polling location so she specifically outlined can we have access to these locations for for these types of events and we basically worked with our parks department to um either identify if they were available or not so I don't know how how they manage where when who what why that's not that's not mine yeah in past years I think we have had the register come be present when we done this so might have been useful to have her you know if you're going to defer a lot of questions over to her are we're on a drop dead date deadline to to adopt this right we start taking or we um candidate filing start in January okay um the other question was about the Reno Police Department because I did notice that and I hadn't noticed that before and have there been any discussions on how the police department is going to have um protocols with the election workers like what's an election worker um role and what's a Police role I mean it are there going to be any directives from the police department it's pretty General in here it is General the the only language that's outlined in there is just what locations we will respond to as a priority over Washo County um and that's no different than years in the past we're not indicating any new information we're just simply outlining what I think something was an inference before we're just simply stating City of Reno is going to respond to City of Reno locations and wasow county is going to respond to wasow County locations within City of Reno limits okay I mean right thank you um back to you question we our our limits on time really stifle sometimes the flow come right back to you but um council member Reese thank you Miss Huntsman for the presentation I know it wasn't anticipated but what I will say is a couple things one is I have followed waso County's efforts to uh both respond to concerns that were raised following the last election cycle and some new Personnel uh in this country um election officers and voter register officers uh are finding increasingly challenging to uh do the work that they do so I want to speak a little bit briefly to that and just say our elections here in was County the state of Nevada are safe and secure the Integrity of that system is really incredible uh and so to you know assure their public that we have free safe and fair elections in this country I think is incumbent upon all of us I do take um note uh Miss Ebert raised a good question about the number of polling locations what I have noticed over the years is that as we have increased ways to vote whether early voting maybe at ry's which is where I have voted the last several Cycles oddly enough or by mail it's really reduced the number of people who are voting on Election Day and therefore in my uh neighborhood I note that I used to go for example to one of the elementary schools and do voting and that's really shifted so but what I do think is important is that we have enough voting locations that there are certainly um operational staff that the machines are working I know that last year in Clark County there were some exceptions where polling locations were just overwhelmed with people on Election Day and so what happened is courts had to keep those election sites open longer um what I will say too is that you I know during the election season are very engaged very Hands-On you are going between voting sites and and and also working at the County Complex to oversee the Integrity of our elections process so I thank you for the work that you've done again not easy work to do but uh certainly uh for a functioning democracy something it's very important I know county has also spent a considerable amount of money to overhaul a number of their different systems to avoid there were last year I think a couple of Ballot misprinting or maybe a candidate who shouldn't have been on the ballot was on the ballot they'd already won in the uh primary and so some things like that do happen and so what we're hoping for is just smooth sailing in this election cycle but again the system is is excellent anything we can do to encourage our colleagues at the county to make sure there are adequate locations in any of the communities that we serve I think is very important um because we want to make sure people have the opportunity to vote a very critical piece of a functioning democracy so again thank you um this is a great item and certainly will be supportive thank you all right thank you Mr Reese um back to you council member unless there's any do you have anything else Miss Hebert anyone else want to wait a second just miss Taylor did you oh yes uh Miss breus go ahead yeah I'll I'll use this I don't know if this is working um I do have a few other specific questions not really much else to say about it um because you know it's on consent we've done this many years but on page two sub three you're saying that um the LA the second to last paragraph you say the city shall provide within 1 three working days to the County's register of Voters the confirmation certification of all candidates and she'll provide the wording of issues for the ballot questions and Arguments for forn against so your office is set up to take the ballot any ballot questions which your initiative and referendum that might come through and do you or or do you plan to just like the secretary of state does go through the process to outline the timeline and the thresholds to get questions on the ballot that's kind of standard regist our stuff so all of that there's a there's a guideline that's provided to us by the Secretary of State for the acceptance of declarations for the acceptance of ballot like everything that can possibly happen in an election cycle we get a packet of information from the Secretary of State on how to manage it so yes you understand um for the city specific to get a question the signature threshold is based upon a certain number specific to Reno right correct yes and you'll have that number in your packet you have that you include that number in your packet and someone could walk in so I don't verify I don't verify signatures I don't verify any of that information mine is simply the filing clerk so I will accept it and then pass it off to the Secretary of State and the voter of registers to verify the signatures and that they've met the capacity that they need to in order for that to be an eligible item so who identifies the threshold and who verifies the signatures the secretary or the um voter of register which then goes to the Secretary of State and does the do you take in the ballot question though I'm the filing CL so it would come to me okay so it comes to you but then it says that you provide the wording of issues for the ballot questions and Arguments for and against so it is pretty bifurcated um and but it's outlined to someone who might want to propose a question they come to you then they have to go over to was County to understand what their signature requirement is nope the communication would go through me but I'm not the one that actually verifies the signature I don't have this the systematic capabilities to manage that okay okay so the for the wording for the ballot question that's that's not really outlined here I think I I mean as long as you understand how it's happening and someone and that's nothing new that's that similar language that has been in this agreement for long-standing years that's not something that was added into this agreement specifically yeah I just I'll I'll be honest I just want to make sure when these one-offs like we had a oneoff last time there was a lot of you go here you go here and I just want to make sure this is the one that jumped out to me on the making sure that there's Clarity of how someone would go about on on this you know oneoff we have only had since I've lived in Reno one initiative um and then the other question Miss breus do you have another question I I do um um you can have 30 more seconds oh thank you so much um page three of5 number seven it says um uh something about boards shall perform the dirties duties and function specified in them with respect to various boards and the that that question rise with respect to a particular board okay so can you answer that the clerk if I could just continue Madam um the after consultation with the clerk will make such appointments to such boards as can be made consistent with law what boards are referenced here and is this new language it's not new language like I said um the boards that I'm required to sit on are outlined in NRS 293 293c um actually it might even be outlined in 293 um but there's a series I think there's two or three boards that if it arises and there is a situation that either I have to appear or I have to appoint somebody from my staff to appear on my behalf to sit on the board um in order to verify if there are any issues with um the voter series but there's three or four boards specifically that are outlined in NRS that I'm required to sit on okay mechanically during the course of the election okay thank you all right thank you Miss Ebert you pulled this item do you want to make a motion uh motion to approve second all right we have a motion from council member eerd and a second from council member Reese um any further comment on the motion all right hearing none all in favor please say I I I any opposed all right motion passes unanimously thank you madam clerk really appreciate your work on this um I have item B16 that was also pulled I think by council member Ebert I'm not sure I just wanted to say thank you Kathleen for donating to hopes they're um group that I think does a lot of really great work in Reno and I know that they've been overlooked um in some arpa funding uh donations that we've done and I just wanted to say thank you for making this contribution so that was it thank you um I think that was item B18 which was not pulled but oh yeah but I'm very grateful too um to for the hopes donation um did you have any comments on B16 that you actually pulled no B16 B18 was hopes and B16 is about the um arts and culture unless I have the wrong agenda okay sorry I have the wrong sorry excuse me looks like I have an older version of the agenda hold on one sec all right so pulled B16 and that was the donation I apologize thank you move to approve here I have the current one all right so we have um from council member Taylor motion to approve council member Reese was a second all in favor please say I I I any opposed all right motion passes unanimously and we're moving on to public hearings which is item C and the first one up relates to Greystone Castle historic res resource designation and I think that we need um a whole ordinance introduction do we need to open the hearing okay so over to you madam clerk if we want to start with um City attorney Shipman to read the um introduction do you want to come up here or okay that's a good idea all right so just formally let me uh let the record reflect the city council's opening the public hearing item uh we'll have the reading of the ordinance yeah for the record John Shipman city attorney's office this is ordinance introduction bill number 7254 case number LDC 24-23 Greystone Castle historic res resource designation ordinance to amend Title 18 chapter 1802 the Reno Municipal Code entitled zoning rezoning of plus or minus 0.12 Acre Site from single family residential 8 units per acre sf8 to plus or minus .12 Acres of sf8 with a historic l Mark HL overlay zoning District the subject property is located at 970 hen um Miller Drive in the Newlands historic district the site has a master plan land use designation of single family neighborhood SF W one all right thank you um and then Madame clerk was proper notice given and any correspondence received okay uh thank you vice mayor proper notice was given and no correspondence was received for this item additionally we do not have any public commenters in the room okay uh given that let me ask do any council members need to make any disclosures on this item Madame vice mayor I have no disclosure to make but I am also um venturing that maybe a staff presentation is not necessary so I would be prepared to make a motion when the time is made all right let me ask um would anybody like a staff presentation on the body no okay seeing no request uh back to you council member Reese okay I'll move to approve second all right so we have a motion to approve from council member ree second from council member Taylor all in favor please say I I I any opposed A refer right yes it's a referral I'm sorry uh to refer yes um any opposed okay seeing none uh motion to refer is approved unanimously and I just on behalf of the historic Resources Commission want to thank um both our staff um the proponents of the Greystone Castle historic resource designation which it takes a lot to do this thing and uh for the council for approval thank you a fascinating staff report to be honest it was right thank the great stewardship of the current owners yes yeah that's what I'm speaking of they had to come forward and propose this and awesome vice mayor I apologize Bill shrimp was not in the room but he did sign up for public comment on this item if you'd like to hear from him okay sure Mr Shrimp thank you very much for the Indulgence I appreciate sure trying to multitask today um just want to express support for adding this property to the registry uh the family and owners of this property came to a recent W one NAB meeting so we learned some interesting things that I'd like to extend on to this body um most importantly the owners truly care about preserving runo's historical places the best they can the owners are not a big company or a mega charity it's a family we also learned that these same owners have invested invested in other historical resources in Reno I would encourage this body to extend a token of gratitude to these people for investing their time and treasure to preserve Reno's history since the owner is not here today I would encourage and ask each of you to please get in touch with staff Call these folks and extend a token of gratitude because they really are putting their time and treasure into it so it's pretty cool so thank you very much okay thanks for being here um again huge shout out to the owner um it really takes a lot to go first of all decide to make this or make this decision and then go through with it and go hit all the steps that are required um it's remarkable and I don't think we've had one for a little while so I appreciate it um we're going to move on to item D development services and the first item D1 um is about a presentation and update on the zoning code cleanup but specifically we asked staff to bring back the public Outreach process and the public feedback so we could better understand how this was moving a pace so to you Miss fo great good morning for the record Angela fous assistant director for development services I I do want to start by saying this is not an agenda item looking for feedback or looking for any kind of motion this is purely informational only typically we would provide this to you in some kind of a memo um but we do want to definitely keep the public involved on the process so I'll just highlight some of the feedback that we've gotten again as as part of the zoning code C cleanup I did want to start by just reminding the Council of what is included as part of the zoning code cleanup we have a number of different text amendments that we're working on last week we talked about the housing uh initiatives we're also looking at an Adu and a short-term rental ordinance so specific to the cleanup items we've highlighted maybe just the the top five or six things is what we are looking at the last code was adopted in 2021 so it's been almost four years and since since that time we've been keeping a list of of some of the things that we've seen on this list the basic ones are grammatical errors or punctuation errors or just we uh called out the wrong page number or the wrong reference the basic stuff but beyond that we also wanted to clean up some other things one of them is inconsistencies when you have a zoning code that's over 700 Pages there's a lot of opportunity for mistakes and we found that we had sections of code that did not have the same regulations um they differed so for instance you may have a section landscape that requires a certain number of trees and then maybe you have some screening regulations that required a different number of trees so we went through and we said well where are we inconsistent let's add those to the code cleanup list we also had areas that we as City staff were interpreting the code differently this is this is a huge problem we want all of our staff to be able to read the code and administer the code the same way so again we kept a list of areas where our staff really had conflict conflicting understanding of how we are regulating it so we cleaned it up we didn't try to make major changes but we said if even our staff who is trained on this code count figure it out how do we expect the general public to figure it out so we added that to the code cleanup list anything that was confusing again from an administrative level we said let's clean that up as well and then one of the big things that we've been seeing is is infill um and how do we better protect existing residential neighborhoods this is something we've heard quite a bit from this Council um you know we definitely want to see infill and we want to see development in all these different areas of our city but how do we do it in a manner that protects the character and integrity of those existing neighborhoods so we put that again as a code cleanup because again it was something that um we could do better at in addressing some of the council concerns and then finally with this last legislative session there was a couple things impacting zoning that we had to Chang and so we added those to the code cleanup so where have we been we held seven meetings with what we're calling our technical advisory committee this took place over August September and October this was made up of individuals that use the zoning code if you've never opened the zoning code I would not consider you to be a technical advisory committee member so we went we went back and we looked at who is submitting building permits who's submitting for entitlements and are they engineers and planners um Landscape Architects and general Architects so we had a wide list of about 30 individuals that were invited to participate in that process again we held seven meetings went through all of our Redline changes they gave us feedback as to again what worked and what didn't work so we made some changes and then we went out to the broader Community where we held nine meetings and we called these our stakeholder meetings this included anyone that wanted to participate we put together a list of of individuals that we thought would be interested including all of the NAB members um individuals from the urban forestry commission individuals from the parks and W commission excuse me me and then any from anyone from the general public that has shown interest we have almost 700 people on that email distribution list and so we continue to send them emails invite them to these meetings we also reached out through NEX door.com all of the city city of Reno social media and again through that direct email so we tried to get as much input as we could um through those nine meetings of those nine stakeholder meetings four were held in person and we spread it out across the SE we had one in North Valleys we had one in South Meadows um we had one here at City Hall and we had one at McKinley and then we actually held another five meetings virtually trying to reach every time of day we had meetings at 8 in the morning meetings at noon meetings at six o'clock at night so whether you were participating for your job or for your just pure interest we tried to give you as much opportunity to participate as we possibly could I will say that the stakeholder involvement was pretty minimal as many meetings as we had and as much Outreach as we tried to do we didn't get that much in terms of feedback some of the higher level things that we heard um definitely from the the downtown residents is concerns over our existing noise ordinance there's a lot of nightclubs in downtown that have music pounding at 2 am and 3:00 am. and 4:00 am and so they've definitely um asked us to look at our existing noise ordinance specific to the downtown area so we spent quite a bit of time um kind of just trying to address some of their concerns the idea of affordable housing also came up in almost every meeting we had um and this was everything from what what are we doing now to support affordable housing what are we doing to support infill and then on the opposite side of that can you do less to support infill and maybe move things further out so we got we got a lot of mixed feedback um but it was good it was good to have those conversations with both parties in the room of you know folks that I think are impacted by infill and and what they feel is is turning out to be a negative way um in folks that want to encourage more info but again looking back at the code one of the key priorities of this code update is what can we do to protect existing residential neighborhoods so trying to address all of this the stakeholder feedback in a way that um gives us a better zoning code ultimately is where we're going other big concerns are just feedback that we got um for the folks that use the zoning code on a regular basis their request was more of can we simplify our standards again our code is still very big and often times confusing often times it just leads you into a circle of check this section now this section now this section now this section so while we can't fix those with the code cleanup um we did hear quite a bit of feedback of can we simplify the code uh just general technical changes again things that folks that use the code have come back and said technically how do I address this issue can we make some updates to the code so in terms of next steps we've now gone through that stakeholder Outreach process next on the list is to go to Planning Commission we will be holding a number of workshops with the Planning Commission then they formally make a recommendation to council we'll be going to council through a number of workshops as well before you guys ultimately will be uh the the final decision-making body on the zoning code update so again this was not intended to be a motion agenda item but if you did have questions or comments I'm available for questions thanks Miss Foose um I do have some questions and maybe some others do um first of all I want to say I really appreciate you highlighting this process because as you pointed out um you said you held nine stakeholder meetings and there was very little attendance or participation so I I think that rings a bell that this this isn't grabbing the general Public's interest um they often have limited time right they're not in this field to your point the stakehold those in the technical advisory committee are the ones that are every day or every month dealing with the code but these people rarely are until a development comes into their neighborhood then they have to learn quickly what the rules of the road are and then that's often when their objections come up well why this how come not that um that's what we hear and so it's very hard for the average person I think to get involved in something like this um my next comment is that you went through the stakeholder um input or uh Big Ticket items but I didn't hear you do the same for the tech or did you embed those in the stakeholder or the Fe back from the we we before we went to the stakeholder Outreach we made those changes that the TAC members had commented on well every change some changes nope not every change some things we just didn't agree with as staff and so we have there's a a team of us that's as part of this process with the City of Reno so as a team we said is this something that is truly a code cleanup are they asking for something much more is this something that even makes sense you know from from that perspective makes sense um the issue about simplify the code that you listed under stakeholder I mean that seems to be in contravention to the idea of making the code more explicit so that the uh planners can better understand it right so if you put in the detail that we're all on the same page that's not very simple that's in detail and so is there a way to even square that I I don't imagine there is but yeah I mean I would say generally speaking this is not my favorite zoning code it is a difficult zoning code and you you you look at other jurisdiction and we say God they have a nice code yeah okay and ours is not there but because this is a code cleanup but you're going to help us get there I think if we were to do a major rewrite we would hire a consultant to help us we did that we did so we're definitely better off than we were we took out about 300 pages okay so we took out a lot but we also you know copied and pasted a lot so we again perfect world I would love to have a different code but this is is one that we can live with and continue to work with until then and the last thing I wanted to ask you about was um you mentioned um that one of the goals was to reduce inconsistencies and sort of come to agreement on what the thing says but I just want to caution that in doing so that decision that you made may be different than what council thinks that section of code meant and have been using for eight or 10 years or even more and so I just want to caution you that what again what appears to be clean up or we'll all agree this means this may be different than when you get here may be different than what we thought oh I have no doubt that I think there'll be some great discussion both at the Planning Commission level and at Council level what they thought at Planning Commission right correct okay all right well let me ask anybody else um council member breus yeah I mean I I applaud you for the Outreach effort with the you know the technical committee uh which we had before when we had the Consultants on and then the stakeholder meetings could you bring up her slideshow the one where she characterized the different types of um changes now I'm not surprised that you didn't get a lot of feedback on that um you and I presume this document that I got a copy of yesterday the red line was available for people maybe not everyone had a copy or was given a copy but maybe the technical yes it is on our website it's been there for about four months so the the general public has had the opportunity to it okay yeah and not everyone's going to do it you know it wasn't even attached I had to ask my staff to get it for me and that's fine but um you know a lot of time and effort into those meetings I think maybe could have been supplanted by an effort of a more refined um document that has and I I would like a motion when you come or any staff comes very rare exceptions do I not want to give them a motion you know so let's not preempt that for for ourselves but I want to know what's a grammatical errors I want to know what's an inconsistency I want to know what has been interpreted hard by staff and and what came out of the ledge so on I think that is a better way for the reader to say you know the grammatical ones I'll look at three of those but this tighten up restrictions to protect residential neighborhoods what does that mean because it can mean a lot of different things to a lot of people it'd be nice if you had a purpose statement for it and so that's where I'm that's where I'm landing as we move forward and I'll just give a few examples after my half hour review last night getting ready for this meeting page 211 of four 58 one and I noticed in other areas the word gross floor area gross has been added to floor area and so you know that's a measurement issue that's that I that's fine that I get but there's some other areas where I really I really need some annotations and I don't need you know and it's a big document so I need a fair amount of annotations there's maybe five or six changes where the Street faing Garage depth has been changed and you know is that protecting residential neighborhoods I'm sure it's not out of the ledge but I can walk you into my neighborhood where I see problems with garages over you know on new construction reaching into The Pedestrian environment so I want to understand that you also have seem to have gotten rid of the floors you know you're going to Building height and getting rid of floors in the residential what is that is has that been hard to administer because it's been in the code for 25 years so I um want to make things easy as we move forward I'm sorry you had to go to eight staff meetings and and you know public workshops but it shows intent but I think to to really get there is between now and March and April on this maybe code you know you've got one two three six is it a one is it a two is it a three is it a four is it a five is it a six and I think that would be really helpful and get us there cuz it has been too long I agree with that but I also think that um we we a document this hard just can't be thrown out to the world there needs to be a little bit more to understand there and there's something where uh um you know an example of very substantial procedural change has been made related to buildings over 200,000 square feet they used to be restricted in one foot note as far as I can interpret and now they go through a site plan review so a procedural change to me is you know from a restriction to an allowance in a certain zoning District goes a different way and those need the commentary um all right so oh I'm okay thanks Miss breus I uh we can come back to you is there any other council members Miss Taylor thank you Vice May Angela um or Miss F I just want to say thank you very much for taking the time in addition to all of the work that you did you met with the downtown stakeholders um and I appreciate you coming out and doing that explaining to them what we were doing and then you also followed up with some additional actions on that so I really appreciate the Outreach I know um there wasn't a lot of attendance but I think it meant a lot to the people downtown for you to take an interest in us thank you okay any other council members um I'm going to add one more thing I think the um comment that Miss breus made is actually very good about the one one through six what are we doing here when I've worked on regulation changes even ginormous ones I have sort of had a side comment one uh sorry column where I noted is this a just a grammatical or is this a interpretation cleanup and that is very helpful to people I know that's a lot of extra work but your Planning Commission may find that useful as well absolutely and I think when we get through the workshops um you know keep in mind too that planning Commissioners serves as much more of a technical group compared to the average home owner who doesn't even know what the zoning code is so we definitely will be going in through a lot into a lot more detail when we go through those workshops with plan commission all right perfect and then miss breus back to you yeah and I also think could you roll back in her um her presentation let's see the the comments that came forward no going going forward yeah right there so I I think what would have been helpful or maybe that you're um uh internalizing this is concerns for measurement of noise in the downtown area is that's a parking lot issue because it's it's a it's a we don't have a noise regulation per se in the city and so it's a whole new regulatory agenda and I think those you know a characterization of those that their parking lot this is clean up you know bifurcating would be helpful for everyone to you know understand conceptualize because I I'd hate to come to June and people saying where's the where's the noise ordinance for downtown and but no that was always parking lot because it's a sub substantive um but the one thing um I would say is I do want to make a motion I want to make a motion that we do have a characterization of each of these changes to help the process go forward now if the council doesn't want to do that and not have a motion and then have this 500 page one show up you know okay but I think we need to give a little I think we need to give a direction I think just not you know presentation we ask for this back and we want to progress to a certain point um let me ask our attorneys I don't see whether this is marked for action or non-action this is item d1y well there's no staff recommendation but I just wanted to know legally on the agenda is it U marked for action or no marked for okay okay well what I I what I will say is I think uh Miss F been pay paying careful attention to things we said and um she's heard from me from you from Miss Taylor um and and hundreds of other people so I think if you can take what we've said um well I don't think we're right I guess for could I be recognized cuz I think I was I didn't exhaust did not exhaust Mr attorney is your view that when staff prepares a staff report here and I mean they've always they've always write a proposed motion we can do whatever motion we want you know they're just proposing one but you're saying that be that there's no way under this context and the way this was populated by you know agenda review and management that we cannot give an an action a directive to stop on this matter right now I'm not saying what I'm saying is the conservative approach is don't have a motion because it's yeah okay thank you Mr attorney Miss breus would you like to make a motion no I want to continue the discussion okay why don't you finish up I don't know where we are in my point is um I think that's problematic I mean I understand it's an interpretation but you know if if if we can't give direction on a multi-year effort of our largest regulatory document you know under that we don't know what motion we're going to make until we get there you know and you're really I think coming from a position that whatever staff says that's the motion you know whatever they propose that's the motion I I think that's an un wrong interpretation or somehow the manager needs to make sure that we have the opportunity to make motions um I I think that is problematic and I will let someone know I received a phone call over the weekend of someone who watched our last week's agenda with the zoning code on the affordable housing and said what was that there was no closure there was no Direction no wonder you're not addressing affordable housing because it's here's what we're thinking no motion so I am responding to the feedback of people who spend the weekend watching our meetings understand like what are you guys doing doing all right Miss breus that's fine um your time's up but let me ask this would you like to make a motion I I think the attorney has said not to make one he advised not to but that's advice no I'm going to I'm going to ask and make a Clarity that staff reports come forward populated for Action by this Council okay otherwise it should be all right I I've heard you in a different place of the agenda you're um you're listening to our attorneys and follow their advice I really appreciate that let me ask is there any other public uh excuse me any more Council comment on this item okay thank you so we've heard the direction U Miss fous um take it under consideration and we really appreciate your time here today and with that um we'll turn to the next item which is item D2 and I'll hand it back to the mayor all right thank you so much okay hold on just one second um we have a Delta 2 we do have a Time certain are we okay if we're 15 minutes early Matt all right let rip M May it's not we don't have a time certain on the agenda I know you announced that you would like to take it around 12 but let me understand this from our attorneys yeah I mean if we told the public starting at 12:00 yeah we're starting at 12 correct okay right so we'll we'll wait right perfect okay so that's in 15 minutes um we could take a short recess or we could skip on to I think what item D3 I don't believe there's anything remaining on this agenda that we'll get through in the next 15 minutes yeah so Madam May thinking I'd like to uh recommend we take a um okay let's take a 15 minute break we'll see everyone back can we take the whole lunch break 20 minutes or whatever okay I okay let's do that cuz I I don't want you guys getting up in the next couple of items so 12:15 all right thank you hi and and just as a reminder please state your name and the timer will begin when you when you've done so right thank you very much Bill shrimp for the record um back seeing a lot of me today so the auto report so I'm not an expert in the complexities of government Finance I see that we have a couple of really good experts standing here behind me so start there uh but I can get through an SEC 10K report and understand at least most of it um the amount of work that went into in the detail in this report is impressive it's clearly a significant Endeavor to compile the data and then generate this report if I'm understanding the correct of items correctly the city was overb budget and surprised by about 18.9 million of expenditures in the workers comp and risk funds that is a big number and a meaningful percentage of the budget the question I hope this body asks or maybe it's already addressed in the presentation and find sufficient answers to is what will the city do going forward to ensure the city has better visibility to such movements down the road in complex organizations there's always surprises workers comp and risk are inherently unpredictable that being noted smart organizations apply Lessons Learned and Foster the positive principle and environment of continuous Improvement I assume that this positive work is already occurring and would appreciate a confirmation of that so thank you very much appreciate the time and look forward to the presentation thanks Bill thank you Madame mayor with that we have no additional public comment okay perfect good afternoon good afternoon Council and mayor I'm Matt Taylor I'm the assistant Finance director for the City of Reno and we have attending virtually our um audit partner Amanda McClary Moore who will be presenting on the audit and her findings and then after her presentation I have a brief one to go over everything else all right perfect nice to see you by the way Matt you I only get to see you in the um elevator yes so I've been hiding nice to see you great are you ready for me we are ready for you and as long as you can hear us you're all set to go yep I can hear you I have a presentation is is that going to be pulled up or is or can you already see that I can't see the presentation is up and Mr Taylor will run it for you okay see let me pull it up on my oh there we go I can see it now okay thank you um hi everyone I'm Amanda McClary Moore I'm a partner with moss Adams uh I've been in public accounting for 23 almost 24 years now I work solely with uh governmental agencies such as yourself I mainly work with city and county governments and uh currently am actually the regional industry group leader for the Pacific Northwest for our government practice I'm happy to be here with you today and share our audit results for the audited financial statements for the City of Reno you can go to the next slide huh okay so I'll start by going over the audit opinions that we issued as part of our audit so part of our audit we issue three audit reports the first audit report is over the financial reporting of the city's financial statements so this includes your U statement of net position uh statement of activities all your your major funds as well as the notes so this this is the financial piece of the audit as part of our audit we issued what is called an unmodified or clean opinion what that means is that in order to issue our uh our report uh the the city did not have any uh material errors that we identified as part of our audit process and we're able to deliver that clean or unmodified opinion which essentially means that the financial statements are presented fairly in accordance with the United States generally accepted accounting principles and the City of course follows those gby or governmental audit princip or accounting principles you go to the next Slide the next two reports that we issue are related to the fact that you have uh received well over $750,000 in federal awards that means you get to do this additional special audit which is the single audit and we test uh your major programs associated with the Federal awards that first report on the screen there is is our governmental auditing report so in addition to the generally accepted auditing standards we also follow the generally accepted governmental auditing standards which requires us to issue an additional report included in this report if we had findings would be uh if we identified some sort of internal control deficiency in the city's internal controls that we believe that was either a significant ific deficiency or material weakness so an internal control deficiency um at the base level is really just means that an air could slip through the cracks if we identify some sort of internal control deficiency we have to evaluate that and determine what magnitude of that air could slip through their cracks if it was if it was not going to be something that would be material and would have a material impact to your financial statements and but we thought that it was important enough to let you know about that that would be called a significant deficiency if we thought a material error could slip through the cracks based on that control deficiency it's a material weakness as you can see on the slide there we had no control um findings that Rose to the level of significant deficiency or material weakness to present to you today so nothing included in that report additionally under the governmental auditing standards we do audit for compliance that could have a material impact to the financial statements so this would be unrelated to your federal Awards compliance testing this would be something that would impact the financial statements in a material matter and you can see we have no compliance findings to report with respect to the financial statements so those two reports oh I have one more to go those two reports essentially cover the the financial reporting over the financial statements that the third report which is the one at the bottom is our report over the single audit so this year we audited four major programs for the single audit and so we test each one of those programs in accordance with uniform guidance and following the the compliance supplement that tells Auditors what they need to audit for those major programs as part of that audit we issue an opinion over each one of the major programs and we issued unmodified or clean opinions over each four programs in addition similar to a financial statement audit you do have to have internal controls over compliance and we have to look at those as part of our testing of the of the single audit major programs and if we identify an internal control deficiency over compliance we have to evaluate it the same way we would for the financial reporting and if we had found that uh that we that there was a risk of material non-compliance with one of your programs that is something that would be communicated in this letter as well and you can see on the slide there we had no compliance findings to report as well as um no internal control deficiencies that Rose to the level of significant deficiency or material weakness over your compliance with Federal programs so overall three very clean reports so um you know congratulations to you and your team um of of supporting the finance department and making sure that they can follow all of the requirements that they need to in order to get put together a document that's that's just over 200 pages and and get clean um opinions over over that uh you can go to the next slide in addition to those are the three audit reports that we issue that are included within your uh act for financial statement in addition to that our audit standards say you know there's some other important information that we should communicate to city council or those charged with governance uh that don't necessarily show up in our audit reports you can go ahead to go to the next slide so we we'll issue a a separate letter related to these communications um and they're really just to highlight some important things that either occurred during the the financial statement audit or just alert you to where specific items are within the financial statements in addition to a few of the items on the slide here something that we typically point out is that in note one to your financial statements those include your significant accounting policies so this is what management has to uh select in order to make sure that their financial statements comply with the generally accepted accounting principles if there was any significant changes in accounting policies it' be something that we would alert you to the only change that occurred in the current year is really to the the adoption of a new accounting standard that was effective this year which was gasby 86 on subscription based it arrangements so essentially leasing for software in the prior year you had to implement gby 87 which required you to put um leases of all types onto your statements um whether you are a lesie or a less or and so this follows those same principles but is specific to your software it arrangements so that was the only significant change there another thing that we like to highlight is that within your financial statements there are a number of uh amounts that are um estimated within your financial statements some of those items include uh your claims liability uh your Pur liabilities or other post-employment benefit liabilities all of those require some level of estimating in order to put together the financial statements the items that are noted on the slide here are really just to let you know things that we would communicate to you if we had identified and so these are really just U sort of negative statements here saying that we didn't have any adjustments that management had to record in order for the financial statements to be materially correct and then that there was no immaterial audit adjustments that management did not record which would not have impacted our financial statement opinion the last few items there are if we had any difficulties performing the audit that's something that we would let you know about or if we had some significant disagreements with management specific to the audit process or over accounting principles that's something that we would alert you to as well as you can see on the screen there we had no difficulties or disagreements with management everybody was very um helpful in getting us the information we needed uh provided the information to us very timely and was really attentive to the the audit process you can go to the next slide and I already highlighted this as I went through our audit reports but just to highlight it one more last time if we had identified any material weaknesses and internal controls or significant deficiencies that's something that we required to communicate to you and so as on the slide there we don't have any of those items to report and then you go to the next slide and with that I just want to say thank you and thank the whole team um Matt Taylor Vicky vanen uh Robert Carson Crystal Dean and uh Mark Stone which I didn't don't have listed there on the slide all were very helpful in making sure that we were able to complete our audit on time and get through it before year end so no extension this year and with that I'm open to answering any questions if you have any all right thank you so much I'm going to send it back to you Matt okay um we have another just a short presentation from Finance okay so we're asking you to accept the annual comprehensive financial report and its audit opinion today um this staff report aligns with the fiscal sustainability of the city um the audit is uh required by NRS 354 624 is to be done every year and the single audits acquired by federal code and typically they are done in conjunction with each other the audit is supposed to be turned into the state by December 31st but the single audits not due to the feds until I think March 31st or March 15 um this year we were able to get both of them done in conjunction and they're both issued on the same report so we're very happy with that so we don't have to do additional work after the fact um the city's results we were we received an unmodified or clean opinion from Moss Adams there's no material weaknesses or significance deficiencies like Amanda had noted and this draft was presented at the financial Advisory board on December 7th and they unan unanimously accepted the report as presented so with that that was all I had and we have a recommended motion if you have questions I'm free to answer them all right great job Matt I hope we see you more yeah okay um I'm going to hand Council one breus go ahead thank you madam mayor hey congratulations to the finance team on a clean audit and timely I I appla you on that I do have a few questions um number one and my questions and inquiry is for the record um under major initiatives on the the letter that miss van beran signed says each year the Reno city council revisits Reno's purpose vision mission and values from that Council identifies Strate strategic priorities which establish the program and services fund for current and F future fiscal years we haven't had a strategic Workshop in four years so um I don't understand I mean I I know I you know have a good calendar and I go to things what is that just dated language because we when I the first six years I was on seven years we had one every year and we haven't had one in four years we're considering the budget update that's done every every year as your review of the Strategic or strategic initiatives of the city oh yeah okay I don't you know I mean I I know you're a finance background I have a public administration black background and a planning background and I see that as separate and I just wanted to understand understand that now what is it um the one comment was about the um the pension liability grew by 103% is that just a calculation it's the pur actuaries go through and look at what the total Pur liability would be for the entire state and then it's allocated out to each individual organization based off of their contribution rates oh so the overall Pur liability has increased because of um interest rates that have been changing and fluctuating but also the staff at the city has also increased so we had a marginal increase of the total percentage of the F okay okay it was 103% but I do recall midy year that purs came out with some different contribution rates now that translated then into annual budgeting correct and we adjust question for the the pur rate change that has been placed in effect for the current year for the increase but it was not part of the increase overall that was due to forward-looking what the payments would be overall and then the workman's comp one I did capture that too um and that was what did we just do not do valuation for a couple years or do an actual aial what H what happened there we received the incurred but not reported the ibnr report after the year end which is typical we receive it in September setember or October and it had grown significantly from the prior year and the majority of it is from police and fire Heart and Lung claims that are going through and we might know what the claim is today but we don't know what the total expense will be going forward in the future so that's what they compile in the total amount it doesn't necessarily we will mean we will pay the total incurred but not reported but that's the best guess of what it would be going forward yeah and I get that I I I think we need some dashboard reportings during the year you know we're really kind of dropped off on a lot of our financial monitoring and and just dashboard reportings of what we're seeing in claims and so on I mean in addition to you know obviously the monthly reports and then the the next one was um today later um in a few minutes um we have a request for the city to do some Finance backing for a private party to access the the municipal market and councilwoman can I cut you off and go to councilwoman Taylor I'll come back to you okay go ahead councilwoman Taylor thank you madam mer thank you Matt very much um I just have a question about something that wasn't in your presentation that was in the letter and I'm super excited about this I'm proud of it and I was wondering if you could just talk a little bit about the awards and acknowledgements of your team so this year was the first year that we received the Triple Crown award from the GFA that was how many it was it was the first year that we received it we put out a paer a popular annual financial report last year and received the award for that as well as for the um AER and our budget book that's so awesome congratulations thank you very much thank you Vicki thank you all right any other um questions from Council Members no okay Council breus I'm going to send it back to you three minutes thank you madam mayor um page 58 it's the notes to the basic financial statements and we've got the bonding and this this request that's coming forward where would that be special assessment Bond a direct borrowing and direct plac it fall under a special assessment Bond if it's issued Okay so we've got right now special event special assessment bonds of 3.36 million and this private part is asking for 26 million I believe that's correct okay okay so we'd be caring a lot more on our financial note for bonds if if the council decides to go with that okay thank you and and again good job thank you I'd like to thank our team this was the second year we all worked with each other and Crystal Dean our accounting manager really stepped up and did a lot of extra work this year so I wanted to thank everybody for the work that they put into this you're so humble you like go calm yay that's awesome I'm so proud I know I'm sure Doug is very very proud right yes of course yes this the finance team is the business well that's why we end up getting shirts that say V VI Fest and all these things so we really um appreciate the work that you do and know that it's it's difficult and also like Vicky your direction means a lot to us it's impressive what you have been able to accomplish with your team and I know you give them a lot of the credit and I love that about you and I know it's a collective effort um you guys should be so proud because you guys know this a lot of cities don't that's a very dicey area for a lot of cities and I think we all sleep better at night knowing you guys are at the helm because you're incredibly brilliant but you keep us on track and um so it it matters your opinion matters a lot and obviously the work that you do thank you awesome yay give him a round of applause Megan we're flapping okay Megan you want to ask a question I didn't did have a question so on um page four um there was something about the OPB it says the Deferred inflows uh related to OPB declined by 7 million and deferred outflows declined by 0.5 million so the net impact on the statement of net position was a 18.7 million uh dollar decrease can you just explain that a little bit those are along the same lines is with the workers comp we have an Actuarial valuation done every year and the Deferred inflows and and outflows are based off of the what we project interest rates to increase and what benefits we plan to pay out in the future okay so it's a it's a future liability that's recorded and they get n there's inflows from Investments and outflows from expenses and then the net liability okay thank you good job okay I'm gonna I guess I'll make the motion then second I moved to accept the annual comprehensive financial report for the fiscal year ending in June 30th 2023 and approve the plan of corrective action I have a motion and I have a second all those in favor say I I all those opposed motion carries unanimously great job thanks you guys okay Madam clerk thank you madam mayor we're moving on to item D3 we won't forget okay go ahead um item D do you have any public comment D3 I do have public comment on this item from Dan Morgan okay let's do public comment and then we'll go into disclosures good after is this on it's on it is on okay good afternoon Madame mayor uh council members Mr manager for the record Dan Morgan on behalf of the Builders Association our 700 member companies I appear before you today in support of item D3 special assessment districts have proven to be successful and efficient financing tools to deliver critical infrastructures throughout the country the state of Nevada and specifically Northern Nevada and Reno not only do they deliver the needed infrastructure at a reduced and more economical cost in the end provides a savings to the community and ultimately the homeowner and the home buyer we ask for your support today and approval of the quy special assessment District thank you very much thank you Dan okay all right Madam mayor with that we have no additional Public public comment we have not received any correspondence on this item okay thank you then I am going to read a disclosure for the record uh fellow city council members and Madam clerk item D3 involves the approval of a resolution accepting a petition for the formation of a special assessment District located within the Morton and G Garson overlay District I understand that Josh xck an attorney from McDonald corano repres present Toll Brothers in this matter in my private life I have retained Adam Hosmer Henner a partner at McDonald corano on a civil matter unrelated to Toll Brothers uh this project and Mr Hicks again I am not represented by Mr Hicks this item has nothing to do any relation to my civil case I want to make sure that's on the record that said any action that I may take on item D4 would not be reasonably affected by my commitment in a private capacity to the best of my knowledge any action I may take today on this item will not have any impact on me or McDonald corano the fact that I am represented by McDonald corano will not impact my ability to impartially review and render a decision upon this particular agenda item Madame clerk better Miss breus please accept this disclosure for the record thank you all right anyone else no okay Vicki Miss be M Beren take it away thank you madam mayor uh good afternoon Madame mayor um manager Thornley and council members Vicki van Bean Director of Finance for the record uh before you today I'm bringing to you a resolution concerning the petition for the formation of a special assessment District it's formerly known as uh quy Ranch uh Council uh has the Strategic plan out there and this falls under economic and Community Development because it does deal with infrastructure and specifically water infrastructure is the petition in this uh particular case the special assessment District um is being petitioned and proposed by to North Reno and it's the formation of a water district in order to um Finance the water infrastructure the project out there is about 1,200 residential units the estimated cost is about $41 million for the water infrastructure alone what they're proposing here is only 26 million it's a portion of it it would just be the portion that applies to the quy ranch area and the average assessment for it would be about $1,756 per homeowner that would be annually and then it would be over 30 years what this item is if Council remembers you approved back in February the deposit agreement so that we as staff could work on this a little bit bring it back to you uh for further Direction and guidance and that way the costs of the city are covered under that deposit agreement so we have worked on this very little to bring it to you at this point but the time that we have spent on it including this time here will be charged against that deposit agreement so the city is not out any cost for that um what this item is is the proposal for the special assessment district for that public infrastructure the city costs will be reimbursed and um we this resolution that we're putting in front of you would just direct staff to work on the development and the financing agreement which would be the next step in this so this is the petition before you now and the the resolution would direct us that yes you want to move forward and you want us to move with working forward with the development and financing agreement what what this item is not this does not commit the city to form the district at this point it does not Levy any assessments it does not issue any bonds all of that would be coming forward back to council and would be um the direction from this council at this point to you want to move forward toward that process but at this point it does not commit you so before you is the recommended motion for the resolution and um we have from the applicant is here and would like to do a presentation to give you a little more detail on the project and what their thoughts are as far as how this is going to enhance the project and what that infrastructure is really going to look like so I want to turn it over to them good afternoon Madame mayor and members of the council uh my name is Josh Hicks I'm with McDonald corano I'm here on behalf of Toll Brothers today um I also have I just wanted to recognize in the audience Kyle Collinsworth who is the vice president of land acquisition for Toll Brothers is here uh Nick crawl who helped prepare the petition itself from launch is here and my colleague Lindsey Knox is here from McDonald cronto as well so uh like Vicki said uh we are here today really on just the petition um to start the process of working with the city there'll be multiple stops down the road uh before this district is actually formed um at any bond are issued um you can see this first slide um really just shows you a quick visual of the site you can see it's uh largely a lot of Sage Brush kind of a flat area I'll show you on a map in just a second where it is um so you can have a good visual for it uh we're referring to it as the quy project um on some prior matters you might have heard Santa sometimes it's been called that too but uh we're calling it the quy project just a quick background on Toll Brothers um Toll Brothers is a a a fixture in this community uh they've been building homes for over 50 years throughout the country and since 2005 they've built 42 communities in washer County uh 3,741 homes so a committed Builder to this community with a track record of success uh this just gives you a quick shot of uh the entryway into where the project is this project is in Verdi and uh this is looking North you can see kind of um right about in the middle Center that's boom toown and just to the left of that uh you can see with the green outline around it that's Cabella's that gives you an idea of where this is um this is garan Road and as you can see uh it is being graded as we speak uh this is a current picture um this is not a paper project this is a project that is real and it's underway and you can see some of the work being done in this picture these are just a couple visuals of the kind of homes you could expect from a builder like Toll Brothers they build very nice homes these are some renderings uh that you see there uh all the homes in this community will be fir sprinklered that was a condition of approval on the tentative map um and I do also want to note because we've had some questions about it um these homes do provide a lot of options for homeowners uh one of which is they can put in EV charging stations if they want to if they don't want to each of these homes has a 300 amp panel so putting in a station down the road is a simple matter for a homeowner they don't have to rewire the home to do that this is just a slide that just gives you a little bit of background so you can see uh the area I was showing you the picture with the grading is kind of in the top right corner there by where it says fire station uh that's Interstate 80 kind of going east to west at the top and then bending from north to south on the left side uh this picture just shows you the different Villages there'll be Villages built out at different times and just a little bit of context even though we're here today to talk about water infrastructure just as reminders of some of the history of this the tenative map and the scps on that did come before this body on March 24th 2021 and we approved the sad deposit agreement uh came before you on February 22nd 2023 uh like Vicky mentioned earlier that's what covers the city's costs as we go through this process the sad application was uh went to the Fab the financial Advisory board on December 7th uh was approved and then just some background um it's a 1,211 residential unit uh development 379 Acres of the just over a th000 acres are single family residential 578 acres are open space and then within the project there's a variety of other things there's a neighborhood commercial area uh there's a multif family community amenity kind of Clubhouse um location there's an 18 acre Regional Park site that's kind of on the West Side you can see it on that map uh there's a 5 acre neighborhood Park which is just to the north of the school site you can see on the map uh and then there is a 10 acre School site that it's a dedication to the washer County School District uh and there'll be an elementary school on that on that location uh the final three bullets are really just conditions that were conditions of approval on the tentative map uh and I I think they're important just because they show uh Toll Brothers commitment to a lot of the city's priorities uh there's a perdo fee and a per square foot fee for commercial for fire facilities uh there will be a fire station located not on Toll Brothers land but just to the north on land owned by BT South um and then that will help pay for for that uh there's a ,000 perd door uh affordable housing contribution so that'll be approximately a $1.2 million contribution to that fund and there was also some $150,000 for roadway safety improvements in verd that's outside of the development all the roads will in the development will be new and that's those will be the primary Ingress and egress points um but we all recognize verd has some other needs so to Brothers was happy to help with some of those this is a map of the actual water infrastructure that we're talking about financing with these bonds uh this is all Tuma U will ultimately be Tuma owned and operated water infrastructure there are 10 different U off-site components and two on-site components uh many of you familiar with T's Regional Water Management plan and uh they what they need to actually provide water out to Verdi so this is really the kickoff of that and makes that a reality um these water main extensions these booster pumps PS uh they will all and the tanks uh they're all oversized uh they benefit more than just the quy project as Vicki alluded to uh they allow Water Service to be provided by Tuma to other projects as well uh those might include the BT South project which you can see labeled on here just to the north of the quy site and also the Mortenson Ranch uh the Stan Lucas project which is on the Northern end um up there there'll be a tank located on that site so once this is all built out uh it will allow Tuma to to provide uh that water service and those backbone water facilities it's consistent with their Regional planning this slide deck is just a blow up of a few of the um individual components uh this is the East End um this is kind of where West four Street goes into the interstate and under the interstate um if you're familiar with that area this is an area with uh where you can see os1 through os5 are uh water Bain extensions and a booster station uh os9 and 10 is a water M and a water tank um those are all part of the the system they're all offsite and again oversized um to allow other developments to have water as well uh this is just the West Side uh you can see uh this is kind of the area north of Cabellas uh you can see there's a water tank uh there's some water main extensions as well this shows you the actual quy project and the red is the the boundaries of the district there are two on-site components of the water infrastructure a booster Pump Station um up there at the North End and then a water tank uh kind of right in the middle these are a couple tables uh that we pulled out they're in the actual petition itself so um you may have already looked at these but just to give you an idea of the timing this shows you the component the various components uh where the plan set status is and where the start dates are you can see some work's already underway um a lot of work will happen in 2024 uh and be completed in 2024 and 2025 uh this gives you an idea just of this table was the the home construction timing just gives you an idea that as I mentioned the homes are built out in different Villages Village 8 will be the first one uh construction start on that will be in August of 2025 uh finishing in July of 2028 uh and then homes will be built at various stages throughout then the full buildout is expected in April 2032 and this table table five just shows you the total water Improvement costs um this shows you how we come up with the $ 41.2 million uh that Vicki was talking about that's not the bond amount but that is the total cost to build out all this uh these projects you can see uh os1 through OS 10 on there and the tank and one and pump one um the hard cost the soft cost the inflation um sads do require prevailing wage so there is a oing wage uh component to this as well and that all comes up with $ 41.2 million for this water infrastructure Table Six is an allocation um this just is more background but it's important to know that because the bonds are really about $26 million uh the project is about $41 million uh there's an annexation agreement that to Brothers has with Tuma and this table gives you an idea of how the various costs are shared um like I mentioned this water infrastructure is all publicly owned uh and it's oversized it will benefit the BT South property it will benefit the Mortenson Ranch property so when they're ready to connect to the system they will have some reimbursement obligations under the Tuma annexation agreement this table is table seven this is uh this was on Vicky's presentation as well at least the bottom line number uh this shows the expected annual assessment um that will be paid by homeowners uh once they actually own their Lots and are paying the assessments uh and it's about $1,756 per year uh that stays static it doesn't change so that is a number that uh they will pay uh annually throughout the 30-year life of the bonds or however long they happen to own the homes this slide just kind of gives you an idea of our best uh good faith estimate of what it looks like to um a homeowner if this water infrastructure is financed through an sad versus if it's not uh if it's not not financed through an sad it has to be built with a construction loan uh those are typically at about 10% those costs are then rolled into the home price like any commodity the home buyer or the home builder uh needs to recover their costs at the end uh and then those typically roll into a mortgage right now we're at about 8% so that's what we used uh and you can see what we come up with is the total interest that the homeowner will pay uh in that scenario is about $42,000 under the sad um there's that certainty of the lower interest rate the 6% rate for a set time period and the interest cost that we're estimating there is 26537 so you can see a savings of just over 16,000 and probably another way to look at that is that's really $116,000 of equity that a homeowner gets uh buying one of these homes when the infrastructure is financed through an sad just a couple other slides to just show some consistency uh this is a some sections from the master plan section 2.1 H uh does urge the consideration and utilization of different financing Tools in priority growth areas um sads certainly are one of those many financing tools available to the city and priority growth areas do include as the bottom uh bullet there uh areas that are within City Limits that don't have infrastructure and service in place but but can uh be served by the city if it's built out uh section 2.1i actually specifically calls out uh special assessment districts so you can see that that is something that the city is urged to consider when we're talking about publicly owned infrastructure improvements uh in Tuma water infrastructure is certainly in that category a couple other sections from the master plan um there's the uh obligation to support efficient reliable Water Management U of surface water promote Tuma efforts and directives and as you'll see on a slide in a minute um this is part of the Tuma Regional master plan um so that checks the box for for that section uh there's an obligation to make sure Water Service can and serve present and future demand in the city so we're not talking about just the quacy project we're talking about some of the other projects out there too uh and that box is checked by this project uh and then there's a a a goal to pursue these opportunities for available tools for funding infrastructure so like I said sads like many other tools in chapter 271 are one of those uh obviously Toll Brothers is familiar with the um sad guidelines and there's uh the application is talking about those and making sure that those are complied with these will all be checked off as we go further down the process but uh the city uh will select the appraisal firm toll covers the cost uh the appraisal itself of the Asis land has to be 1.5 times the value of the bonds and once the uh the appraised value once the improvements are in place has to be 3.5 times that's the security for the bond holders is actually the land because this is not these bonds are not backed by um the city's taxing power there's not backed by the city's general fund they're backed by the land itself uh there is a requirement for a reserve fund to be established and then of course at the end U these water improvements are all granted to Tuma and they're owned and operated by Tuma thereafter uh legislative intent um I just will mention this this briefly because sads are in chapter 271 of the NRS the NR that those tools are designed to be available to local governments uh you know in order to actually build out infrastructure uh that's considered something that is in the well-being of the State uh most recently in our last session the legislature actually put in a declaration that a consistent robust supply of housing is an important factor in overall affordability of Housing and that's we feel very important all all housing is important and the more Supply we have the the more uh affordable options there tend to be for people uh this is a letter from Tuma it should be in the record for you as well um and I just pulled out a couple comments that I think were helpful um they they have reviewed uh you know this is obviously part of their Regional Water Management plan and the Trey Meadows Regional plan U all these booster pumps these water main extensions these tanks uh they're necessary for Tuma to ultimately serve the Verdi area um I did want to note too Tuma doesn't take a position obviously on that how this is financed but um I do think it is important that um this is all consistent with what their planning looks like we were very pleased to get a letter of support from Edon that should be in your in your record as well um I've pulled out a couple quotes from from that um we've worked well with them they're obviously trying to attract a lot of new jobs to this area and those jobs are going to need homes um so we're trying to build out the infrastructure for those homes uh boomtown's one of the local retail neighbors and Commercial neighbors uh they're excited about this too they've submitted a letter um you should have a copy of that as well well um stability of existing jobs existence of new jobs um they've got a new steakhouse out there so I can tell you they're very excited about 1,200 homes being sold uh right in their in their neck of the woods and uh with that one last visual of the project and I'm happy to answer any questions all right thank you Mr hick uh do we have anything else from our team that wants to is there anything you want to include Vicki Vicky V and Director of Finance for the record no I don't have any other comments on this this would be managed by the city similar to the other sads that we have on the books that um council member bra has mentioned um we do have a management company that manages those collects those if we don't receive payments once this is established it follows the same process where it comes back to council we go through a foreclosure process we do that currently with ones that we have and this would follow the same process okay so there's no special treatment no it would it would be run just like a normal ID for us okay the only difference is the setting up piece of it um would be paid for by Toll because they are the petitioner so right okay so um and maybe explain why that is um this is not a project that the city went out and looked for they are petitioning to do this as a special assessment so they will pay for the setup of it once once it's all done the bonds are issued as the project comes online um and they complete certain certain pieces of the water infrastructure those would be um uh inspected by TR by the Water Authority they would then either say yes or no we're accepting them and they accept them as part of their system so as it goes along we the city would just Dole out the bond proceeds as it comes online but we wouldn't do that until um trucky Meadows took on those okay um pieces and said they were good to go okay thank you so much I appreciate it okay we're going to open up to the body I'm going to start um first with uh uh Council Eber go ahead um this is for the applicant if you back up so you mentioned prevailing wage can you explain what that means uh in regard to uh this project uh yes happy to prevailing wage is just established by the Labor Commissioner of the state it tends to be higher than what you might otherwise see for construction labor it's a statutory requirement for special assessment districts it's a statutory requirement from many times that public money is involved uh but I think that was put in place in 2017 if I remember correctly that um prevailing wage does have to be on any kind of project that uses a special assessment District so does does that mean that this would require your uh Union work yes union labor okay that's good to know I just wanted to call that out um what also what would happen with um somebody that purchases the home and maybe pays in cash or pays off the loan early how how do they pay uh this assessment the assessments are an annual assessment um but they can pay off the assessment early if they want to okay that's an option if they don't paying off the mortgage doesn't pay off the assessments they continue to run the land until they're till they're paid off so would they get an annual Bill like their uh property taxes or what would that look like I believe they get it every six months okay yeah okay um and you mentioned that this infrastructure would be available for future developments would they pay in is that where your reimbursements would come from yeah under the Tuma annexation agreement any kind of future um users of this system would have to apply to Tuma to use it and then they would have certain reimbursement obligations um to Tuma to participate on that and then to would have some certain reimbursement rights from Tuma after that as well okay great um me see here okay and you went over um building in the cost of the bond so if if we did not approve this and this was just uh included in the cost of the homes [Music] um it would be more expensive for the person that purchased the home right this would be you know increase in the house cost increase in the the um percentage of interest that they're paying um because we all know mortgage rates are really high right so I just want to call out that this this way of doing things is kind of a cheaper way to get this infrastructure built out not just for this project but for future development as well correct yes absolutely it's a it's a good tool for any kind of infrastructure project uh because ites it carries a lower interest rate so those lower interest rates mean that the end user pays less in the long run okay thank you all right go ahead councilwoman dur yeah thank you um so back in the day on tomwa uh a couple of us including myself were very interested in having Tuma provide water service out here in this ver ver area I'll call it um prior to that the water service was either personal well homeowner well or a water system Boomtown water system which have five Wells and was considered a small water system and not regulated as um or not fully viewed as a public water system it was a public water system but not to the level of how uh the number of connections didn't have the 25 or 26 connections so I was very glad um serving on the Tuma board that we have uh worked to direct our staff at Tuma to build out this system and it's been complicated they had to upgrade the Boomtown water system they the tomwa had to buy the water system um but they needed to know that the water system was uh fully functioning so I'm glad to see that and on the basis of that I'm very supportive of this um I have a couple questions and one of those was the 41 million for the full bout versus a 26 million that would be part of this sad and I'm not sure who is best to answer this but what I don't know is is $41 million of infrastructure being built is is only $26 million of it being paid for by this sad or is it something else how does that work thank you councilwoman uh there's 41 million of infrastructure being built out 26 million of it which will be financed through this Saad so would Tuma be paying for the 41 million and getting reimbursed no to Brothers is pay is taking full 41 million but the bonds are only applicable to the quy project well that's what I wanted to understand so is it is the cost 41 million yes but you're saying the B could you explain that a little more I'm still a little confused well the because the infrastructure and the $41 million um benefits many properties other than the Toll Brothers properties the sad District can the assessments can only be on property owners who are directly benefited by the infrastructure so the district boundaries don't cover every property that could be serviced by this Tumo infrastructure that's why the bonding capacity is limited to the total the $26 million well I guess what I'm trying to understand so toll has a $41 million responsibility but they're only going to get paid back at this point 26 million if this full completion no they'll be entitled to reimbursement from the other properties when they come online but when they come online being the operative word and that might not be for five or 10 years that's right and that's just a risk that to Brothers T this project okay that's what I wanted to understand so they'll be carrying the note basically for the 41 million being paid over time that's the obligation of being the first one out the door okay um one other question so as I understand it the city issues the bonds um our security so to speak is the is this land the qualy land right that's right it's not necessarily the city security it's the bond holder security okay so my question is is what is the value of the land relative to this6 million are they equal or one is greater well it has to be one and a half times greater um per the sad guidelines and that's something that will be done through the appraisal process okay that's what I was wondering so the land is at least I don't know one and a half times 26 million it will to qualify for the bonds it'll have to be that all right thank you I have a second round when we get there thank you madam mayor for my part I think that we have sort of a mixed bag experience as a council with working with sads I myself live inside of an sad and know firsthand that my home would not exist but for the existence of that sad in Somerset there's a number of them I think uh they came in on different times so I won't speak to anyone specifically but for my part I think it's an excellent development tool it's one which allows us to you know not have the risk of something that we don't have the ability to through our sewer fund for example or to to pay for a system like this so uh in general I think uh we have underutilized these as a tool as a city um but I suppose we're learning to adapt to that and change economic climate so I think it's good I also would comment that you know Toll Brothers is I think the third or fourth largest home builder in this country just a fantastic Builder here locally I think there's been some really great families who have been able to get into homes and and and uh have that opportunity and so I really commend Toll Brothers for their interest in Reno and for this particular project because I do think it's a a great project and the last thing I'll really say is that the the I think the applicants presentation Mr hick was excellent in pointing out um the connection to our master plan this is an important part of the concept of why sads are a tool to be used because they further the goals that we have without having us have some of the Financial Risk at attendant with those goals so I appreciate the call out of those things ultimately um I think even as a state I looked it up online before we got here today um there are hundreds if not maybe thousands of these in Las Vegas they seem to have been a function of what Las Vegas used to grow so rapidly um but it hasn't been used elsewhere quite as much um I think last I checked there were something like um 172 active sads and they have a combined economic impact of of somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 million in property tax generated as a result now those numbers are sort of old because they're looking back at a historical period of time prior to 2017 um but it would be interesting to know what they are today so in general I am in favorably predisposed to the sad concept and think it's been applied well to this particular project all right thank you so much I'm going to go to councilwoman breus and then I'll come down thanks um you know I am struggling with this um and saw you know watch the stonate implode a lot of Staff time put on that but you know the lessons were learned so miss fbn if I buy out in this area a single family home I can expect a $800 Bill come to my mailbox twice a year correct Vicki B you're in Director of Finance yes that would be correct because you would be within the sad if if the sad moves forward okay so I have to be really on it to make sure that I've got that um with my mortgage with my utilities everything my homeowners association costs because I've got 800 twice a year coming to me and um and if not I get a lot of nasty emails and certified mail from the city appear here sort of thing and that's where I have trouble is why would the city want to make make it our issue to hold these folks accountable to their $800 a year twice a year bills I just I don't get it I think a better model would be well Toll Brothers you're selling a $800,000 home you're making a profit I don't know what the return of investment for home builders is on uh you know building a single family home say it's 10% 80,000 homeold whatever why don't we have Toll Brothers just clear it out right then and there so it's done not over 30 years that home could sell five times it could be inherited by a child who's barely you know able to keep things going or an elderly person who goes onto a single family mortgage why don't if the council really wants to do this sees this as an important tool to advance the growth of this the Perfection if you will of this tentative map that the council thinks they have the ability to serve fire and police which I doubt but why don't you tell Toll Brothers when you get your profit a part of your nut pays off this so this property is not going to be carrying this burden for 30 years at considerable expense because we all know a dollar today is you know more than a dollar tomorrow so um or less go gosh well we know we know the the interest costs are there the interests like any morgage are going to be carried a lot longer so paying it off clearing it off when toll makes their profit runs is in my view a nice middle balance now my next question is he went in about a lot about the school sites the commercial how is that going to aggregate through the appraisal process because they don't know if they're going to have um The Flying Jay or if they're going to have a logistics buildings how is that property's water net going to be valuated the the assessment District would only apply to the single family homes it wouldn't apply to those their Lots so so Toll Brothers or whoever holds back that land and is a free rider on the households in the way I see it um I get BT North and I get Mortenson but the the the value then is burdening someone 27 years later with their mortgage because Toll Brothers you know commercial pad this that and other thing get a ride free on the water investment that is not right in my view um and I I'm not hearing anything else to explain otherwise I have a few other questions on um Market um volatility but oh I guess I do have time so he showed a nine-year buildout and the appraisal is going to say the land security for the bonds so say only phase one and two go and they do 150 homes what's the payout for the bonds for the bond holders that all that land well the assessment is still due so in the time being while Toll Brothers is building out and doing that the assessment is still due until they sell to that new owner they're still making the payments on the bonds but say Toll Brothers you're over so let her answer are you are you um finished okay well I wasn't done with my question well you're also a minute over can I I waited 15 minutes for this meeting to start could I have a little bit of that time absolutely not you can't all right thank you so much I think it's only fair that we follow process we do the process for the same as everyone else so um that's how that works thanks uh go ahead councilwoman uh vice mayor der go ahead yeah thank you um so what is the total assessment per home uh I believe it's around 52,000 I think so it would be $1,700 a year times 30 years I think it's around 52,000 1700 per year times 30 years so in the case that they sell in 10 years do they have to pay off the 52,000 how does that work I'm not sure on that one I defer to Josh on that I think they can but I'm not sure if they can yeah the the assessments run with the land so whoever buys it will just take over the assessments okay unless it was paid off earlier well that's what you mentioned earlier about being paid off earlier and I didn't understand the case where that would happen so so they don't have to pay it off it just they paid it at the rate the $800 and I also understand talking to um the folks that you don't have to um there's no inflation it's always $800 per per six months well it it would be set at the point the bonds are sold yes okay like a mortgage I mean yes absolutely okay that's what I want to know um one other thing is that um when I met with the team I asked when when we did the Stone Gate I asked that all 5,000 homes install a equivalent of a dryer plug in the garage so if they had a electric car they could plug it in and not have to uh not only upgrade the panel but tear off the walls and put in um conduit and so on the reason I did that was that stone gates about 14 15 miles out from the um spaghetti Bowl this project is about 13 miles out at the at the front door not not in on the property so I was told that this is an option for installation uh if that people want to install a full system and I'm I wanted to just go on record of saying I'm still very interested in them installing the dryer plug equivalent in the garage um because that sets it up so that it's all ready to roll um just like we did for stonate I'm just trying to be very fair it's a very similar distance um there aren't many services out in the Verde area and probably won't be for a number of years um there is a restaurants obviously at Boomtown but grocery store dry cleaners all the things that people come to rely on uh whether it's a gym or medical appointment or whatever it is they have to go into town so um in Rino or Sparks so my question I'm going to be having further dialogue with the applicants this isn't the final the thing I asked you to do in a briefing was to lay out for us what is the course of um review by the council how many times do they have to come here and what are the decision points yes uh thank thank you for the question I did include with your packet uh a layout of what the financing would look like so um well what I mean is the trips to council right when will they be back and how many times and for what can you bring up that one slide has a timeline it's a separate one that was provided to and I think you said it would be a little different than what we did at stonate because you've revised the process well when we came with stonate we we came back to council we brought the deposit in front of council and then we also came back and with the developer financing agreement at that point we did not come back at the petition point I felt it was important that we come back at the petition point before we spend a lot of time and effort into this because if you approve this and approve the resolution going forward we would start moving with the developer financing agreement and what that means to us is we assign the assessment Engineers the appraisers the market consultants and we also start working on that development financing agreement so so that's really the really where the bulk of the work is going to come in I understand when will you come back to council it's simple back to you with the developer financing agreement so that would be that would be the next and kind of final that would be the next and then we would create the sad the assessments that go with that and the bond ordinance would all be on another meeting and then the next meeting after that would be the second rating of those ordinances so we'll have the developer financing agreement and the bond ordinance yes and then this it's the second reading yes potentially we could bring potentially the developer financing agreement I believe at the same time as the creation of the sad and such but that hasn't really been determined yet okay okay I'm going to cut you off you're a minute over like councilwoman breus so I'm going to hand it over to uh councilwoman Taylor go ahead thank you madam mariki I just have a couple of quick questions based on something we heard um in our last item does does this assessment do anything to the city's credit rating rating or our ability to bond or anything for our future initiatives no this is just like the other sads that we have it's secured by the land it's separate from our bonding because we're not bonding any of the city's finances or revenues or anything toward this this is separate from the city thank you okay Council neighbor thank you this is for the applicant again so I brought up prevailing wages earlier just because I wanted to talk about the fact that this is going to require union labor if we go this route um if we don't use uh this process would you be required to use union labor to build this infrastructure uh councilman the short answer is there would be no if there wasn't an sad there would be no prevailing wage requirement okay but as a practical matter many of the contractors who operate in this space uh our Union contractors anyways okay okay um all right so it might still be Union work um okay I think that's it for me for right now thank you okay I got a one minute all right okay um councilman Martinez go ahead okay thank you thank you so much Madam may I appreciate it um I believe this question is for the applicants Mr Hicks if you can I'm just going just to put on the record I think there was a question kind of about it but I just wanted to see where the difference is being made up you're asking for about 26 million right in bonds and the total amount infrastructure is 41 million so I'm just wondering if you can clarify on the record that 15 million is that coming out of to brothers or where is that funding coming out of yeah um Mickey if you could put my deck back up thank you so I think this uh councilman I think this this gets to your question so this is the 41 million and this shows the party's respective shares of that so um Tuma actually does have about 5.5 million that they're financing themselves uh there'll be some money coming from BT South um when they're ready to connect there'll be some money coming from the Mortenson Ranch property when they're ready to connect so there's a tmoa annexation agreement it's a recorded document uh that has been put together and it kind of governs all this that's where this information comes from so um what's those other properties Morton Ranch and BT South connect they'll have certain obligations to reimburse Tuma and Tuma will have certain re obligations to reimburse tol for advancing the costs on that work okay thanks for sharing that that definitely helps uh to understand the intricacies of those my other question was about the reserve fund that you spoke about I think in one of the slides I don't know if it was the one after this one or before um I was just curious about uh who is managing that and is that those funding sources going to pay for this Bond or what is the purpose I guess of their Reserve fund the reserve fund is a requirement of the city's special assessment District guidelines so that's there in case sub Property Owners aren't paying their assessments so that the bonds aren't jeopardized so that is has to be funded UPF front it's kind of safety valve um just in casee there's any kind of issues okay thank you so much appreciate it all right so Council I think we've had uh councilman breus and derer have had two rounds go ahead uh Council Ebert okay um this is for the applicant again sorry you just sat down okay so somebody's got to pay for this right this is just how are we G to pay for it correct is it going to be through uh these bonds well or you know through the cost increase of the home um I guess this isn't really a question for you maybe it's for Vicky I don't know I don't know how to how to State this but we have a lot of discussions about how to how to have affordable housing here and this project is is for you know uh 1,200 homes and we're also having discussions about storm water fees and you know how to how to make up for lost time on that and and raising the Bild for everyone and and this is an opportunity here to um build infrastructure and have the development um that's going to be using it and future developments pay for this and I just see this as as kind of a win um to have the the development kind of pay for itself and pay for other future developments for infrastructure so I guess this isn't really a question so much as a statement that you know the council talks a lot about affordable housing and this gives us an opportunity to kind of meet a lot of goals with housing and infrastructure um and keeping the the price fixed you know um who knows what mortgage rates are going to be at the time that all these homes are completed maybe it'll be lower than 6% but maybe it'll be higher than 8% we just don't know so um just wanted to call out that I think that this is a good a good process to U build out much needed infrastructure to help not just this project but whatever future projects come uh in that area so that's it right thank you Council m breus yeah go ahead thank you Madame mayor you know I think before I was cut off my point was look if say Village one and two go first you know and then they take six million and then there's 20 million sitting over there and the security is the land how's that valued because that land is not going to have value otherwise Toll Brothers would have moved forward on it and they're very able and capable of creating a an isolated entity Toll Brothers Santa to just just walk away with this land and we've seen that before we've seen projects go into ghost status and then there's no clawbacks on the um assessments and we saw that during the Great Recession it takes another workout I think also this proposed multifamily site that's on their map you know what's there where is that property's nut that property doesn't seem to be in OS one two three of through 10 so the single family is essentially carrying the $26 million for all this other property that Toll Brothers gets to sell and walk free I I just I don't see another way how how that could be um explained or commercial and the the school too um so you know there's cough shifting here and and here's my point on this um you know I always felt this was a dubious tentative map to begin with okay came out of the Verdi settlement I don't want to relitigate that but you know if we thought this was going to be our housing solution and if we thought this was going to be our best option to provide services to the citizens then maybe we would do a backbend but I don't think this is one that we should be doing back bendings for because or you know flips to help them get the infrastructure they need because it's stretched in other ways we had a fiery implosion on Plum Lane today in the middle of the morning we had a homicide on South Virginia 1300 block we are so stretched with that police response it is going to be nuts to get them out of here out there here in in the years that they're coming on talking about this Hillside is num has notably imploded a couple times in with fire I recall in the tenative Maps when we were having the discussions and so this is isn't our best housing and this isn't our best this is a a land playay simple and clear evidently there's a market enabled by us in our financial patterns or financial um approaches but it's just not the housing we need we need every document that we've done from Shane Phillips to the work we did for the master plan says get the urban housing on in place get the smaller lot refill there's infill there's only going to be so many Lots so many homes sold in any given year this is not the best example for us to be putting our faith and credit behind having Patrol officers come out here for whatever you know the calls are when they could be working in our inner core where we are so stretched than so much I gave you an extra four minutes oh I'm I'm appreciative of that sure than okay go ahead c yeah thank you um I just want to go on record is saying um when the project originally came I did have quite a few reservations I put those on the record um but we are here today and this is approved um PUD uh for the 1200 homes and what I what I wanted to just get on the record is about the uh affordable nature of this housing so as I understand if you could come up um as I understand um you're planning to do $1,000 a door for the 1,200 homes to go into our affordable housing uh Trust is that correct yes as was one of the conditions of approval on the tenative map right so that would generate if all 12200 homes were built which we they may not be but maybe have calculated 1.2 million um into the trust correct correct and um and then that would be as I understand because we just did an arrangement with the um Community Foundation that we would be partners with them and they would manage that trust for us so I just wanted to go on record I mean to your knowledge none of the homes as built will either be affordable or even Workforce level which is I guess calculated as 120% of Ami is that right these will be market rate homes is what we would call them market rate so I just wanted to put that on the record I know when we did the Stone Gate um they did have a phase that was for affordable housing they were going to include in their development a apartment complexes that were more affordable um one of the uh conditions of moving forward with the sad was we asked those to move move up in the development schedule but we don't have those here so I just wanted to just get it all clearly on the record I don't need to speak more about it but um I'll just leave it at that I'll just leave it at that thank you great right anyone else yeah uh you already had your final round no madame mayor you're incorrect I've only spoken twice and Miss Stew's spoken three times so under the rules of the council I get a third time I you get one I think you get one minute thank you you get one minute but I I want you to know I gave you an extra five minutes than everyone else here so I just want you to know that for the record go ahead one minute yeah one minute um I never voted for these rules anyway I think $26 million bonding to your C afer uh you know involves a little more thinking but I want to correct something Miss Stewart said she said this is a plan unit development it's not a plan unit development I was going to correct that too it's a tenative map right and under the law of Nevada tenative Maps expire they can't get it together on the infrastructure primarily it doesn't happen right so we're under no obligation here to help them with their infrastructure in fact we'd be doing ourselves a huge favor to say no no we're not going to help you along with this little effort here because we are so taxed with our patrols who are going to this this represents a huge swing of patrols out to another side of the freeway where we haven't gone to the the Far West expanse almost to the California you know the pinch of the canyon no sorry you guys have a tentative you had the judge settlement you can do it on your own and the clock's ticking or not because guess what we're going to make sure we have services in the core and in our other areas thank you madam mayor thank you all right uh Council mayor I have one comment okay go right ahead councilman um Rees thank you so much I want to um sort of build upon what council member Ebert said earlier which is it's really a win-win for all of us right the concept of having additional housing is very important I think the council member from Ward one's comments are subjective of a willful disregard for reality because that means that you would be have been voting for other projects that were Urban infill and 90% of them you have not voted for so this question is really sort of sient in many ways because it allows you to deflect from the reality which as we need housing of all types in this region and sort of blame us for the fact that that's not happened so um I I think it is important that we acknowledge that there are different housing types this is an area of Reno that has uh planned for a lot of homes a lot of work is going to be done on infrastructure improvements in the ver ey environment and so we've already U you know approv that tentative map application and I think it is disingenuous to say that we shouldn't use the tools that we have to make sure that the financing for those helps the ultimate end user and also creates the opportunity for more people to move into housing so I just think um Miss Ebert had it right that it's it's a win for all of us and and I think that's an important uh thing to sort of leave as we you know move towards a motion and I'm prepared to make a motion when you're ready Madame mayor all right please I'll move to approve staff recommendation second I have a motion I have a second all those Madam mayor I'm going to make a comment if I could go ahead yeah I mean um Mr um hick said it and Mr Reese too and um I think when we did our master plan way back when the technical work 27 2017 or so was well you just need more housing and you'll get there you know and actually the the literature that's coming out recently is no that's not what it is it isn't Homes at the far extent you know way out here where the infrastructures are so expensive they even be paid by the developer that translates into $800 $900,000 homes with HOAs that's not the solution it's not the number it is putting your focus in getting the most affordable product in place and that's the core and that's where we've lapsed our focus our staff's time in getting the more affordable affordable product into our pipeline so the the narrative which has been so pervasive that well we just need housing everywhere to build our way out that is not true that is not true okay you need the housing your people can afford we have an abundance of these above Deming Ranch and other places more other places that improved you need a different product and this is a wrong vote from that perspective and it's also a wrong vote from the perspective of um Equity to the votes who will be there but most of all from a tentative map that we cannot serve thank you all right all those in favor say I I all those opposed opposed motion carries all right Madam clerk go ahead thank you madam mayor we're moving on to our e ordinance adoption item so I believe um we we're opening items E1 E2 E3 and E4 together together okay adoption you mean introduction I'm sorry introduction yeah and just for the record Madame mayor we do have quite a bit of public comment on this item okay fantastic hold on one second I just all right so repeat that Madam clerk item E1 got E2 three and four all right okay go ahead take it away public comment um and for public commenters we're only taking one public comment session on all items so I will be calling you if you've signed up for E1 E2 E3 or E4 our first public commenter today is Bill shrimp followed by Lindy Lindsay Anderson great hello again um were you able to distribute the hand out thank you great okay um I understand you're hearing all these together um I think that uh the rules should allow that if you're commenting you should get toow comment on each item because they're different things so I'll just jump to probably this part so uh today's meeting packet is 888 pages long that's a lot of material okay uh I want to draw your attention to the is it rful I forgot I can't pronounce the name of the contractor uh their report Pages 21 and 22 section entitled impervious area referred to his IIA and eru calculations from their report I quote a number of comments received question the program rate structure based on IIA and the basis of IIA measurement although some feel this method may be overly complex rate confirmed that IAB based rate structure is the most fair and Equitable option for aligning the Nexus of storm water runoff generation contributing to the storm water system in order to simplify sfr rates the tiered rate was removed and all sfr properties will pay One eru Properties with less than 400 ft of calculated IIA will not be built end quote to summarize the method being used to calculate single family rate isn't the best there is a better way I understand the city pivoted based on feedback and that's a wonderful thing but unfortunately the pivot went in the wrong direction in my judgment and I was one of the folks Who provided feedback a year ago on this the chart that you're looking at clearly demonstrates the disparity of impact of using a flat fee I didn't cherry-pick any specific properties this only took a few minutes to find each property look up the county records and put this little chart together this is a clear and obvious pattern that the household with less impact on the system is being overcharged and the household with more impact on the system is being undercharged frankly the whole point of establishing erus for sfrs rather than tiers or flat rates uh rather than flat rates the sfr erus were calculated a year ago using available data in the gis system but has been removed that means we know how billing sfrs work for actual impact it's very doable we have the skills data and Technology at your disposal the one other thing that I'd like to call out and highlight uh since I have to abbreviate my comments is the calculation for credit for schools for private and public uh the language in the ordinance itself says that they have to have a curriculum based on storm water um I don't think that the city should be delving into school curriculum whether it's private or public it's one thing to support and provide an educational class it's another thing to tell them hey this is what you should be teaching in your classroom and telling these teachers so um you take that to work to to heart um I don't want to disparage any of the work from the staff it's tons and tons of work lots of work it's been going on for years and years and I am overall glad this is happening I'm glad you're putting it in an Enterprise fund that's good work um I see that there's been movement in the last year that's good work so thank you um we're really close to getting a a touchdown here we're like five yards away push a little harder get a touchdown you can do it I have faith in this body and in the staff thank you Lindsay Anderson followed by Trey abne thank you Bill great I don't think we've ever seen here before have we may I've ever seen Lindsay here at Council it's been a while so congratulations welcome thank you very much uh Lindsay Anderson on behalf of the Reno Tahoe Airport Authority uh I wanted to acknowledge that manager Thornley started the meeting with a reference to air traffic controllers and I just assume that was an homage to uh his love of the Reno Tahoe Airport so thank you Mr manager um I am here today to speak to you about the storm water uh proposed fee as you can imagine the Reno Tahoe Airport Authority uh includes both the Reno uh Reno Airport and the Renoe airport and we have a lot of impervious surface you can imagine by far the most uh that would be impacted by the imposition of this fee so we've been working really closely with your staff as this is unfolded I do want to thank them they've been um very helpful and helping us understand the potential impact uh to Reno Tahoe Airport Authority properties there's three things I want to leave you with today uh the first uh sort of technical item is in the ordinance that's been proposed we did make a suggest suggestion that I believe your staff has sent to the city attorney's office to change one word that would um basically change the word public aircraft to civil aircraft the FAA defines public as something different uh and so we want to make sure that's right that language in the ordinance basically would exclude runways taxiways and aprons that are part of the national Transportation infrastructure so we were looking for equity in transportation infrastructure if roads are not going to be charged uh then runways are basically serving the same purpose as so we appreciate that language being included it's very important to us the second thing is uh along with that one sentence basically that articulates what's been excluded uh there's a map that your uh consultant and team has provided to us so we can better understand what services would be included uh and that is very important to us as well I'd like to ask that that map be included in the public record for this discussion so it's clear what we've come to an agreement on what's included and what's excluded the third and final thing I'd like to leave you with is that uh part of the business impact statement process which we submitted both times that uh we were able uh there's a finding that this does not have an impact and I would just like to say that under the current understanding of where we are in terms of what's included and what's excluded we are estimating the impact on the Reno Tahoe Airport Authority to be in the neighborhood of $50,000 per month um that's not no impact that's a big impact to our budget we are a self-sustaining entity and those additional costs will be passed along to our tenants uh including our Airlines the businesses that do business at the Reno Taha airport that um ultimately uh use our space to conduct their business and so it will have an impact on their business and ours uh and so we just want to make sure we're working together we don't want to negatively impact things like Air Service uh that's important to us as a region to draw tourism and these additional costs potentially could make it less competitive for us uh when airlines are competing with other cities when this new fee is coming at them they're not expecting this uh and so it is new and it is a big impact but I do want to thank your team um they've been helpful and um we're willing to continue to work with this through the end of this process thank you right thank you Trey Abney followed by Tommy Ferraro good afternoon Madame mayor members of council Mr manager for the record Trey abne here today representing naop Northern Nevada excuse me uh Mr manager I especially wanted to thank your staff Trina and John for their hard work on this issue they have been very patient they have talked to us several times over the course of in-person meetings and emails and phone calls and we know that they have a very difficult job especially on this project so I do I do thank them for that I uh I will refer you to the letter that naop sent dated November 27th I will not read that uh here today but just want to make a couple of points I think Na's main concern let's be clear we are not opposed to storm water utility we're not opposed to having a better system for storm water and even not oppos to talking about what those costs would be but we have an issue with there being no credit system uh in this new ordinance originally uh when staff presented it to us there was a credit system in other words if you develop the property and you put retention detention uh facilities facilities that slowed down kept uh storm water from going into the system in the first place uh there would be a credit for that I thought um that you know when I read the community storm water management credit I thought that applied to commercial uh properties it is not so I was confused on that again on this latest iteration So currently there is no credit proposed uh for commercial projects you know you will see in the ordinance that there's 100% credit for undeveloped land and 100% credit if you have 100% retention we think that somewhere between that zero and 100% uh makes sense for again Parcels that have those not every parcel is created equally you could have property a and property B with the same amount of of impervious surface area a same amount of eru and have vastly different effects on on your storm water system um certainly concerned about um excuse me we had one me uh member of ours that that ran the number on their portfolio would be about $125,000 a year and that's before CPI uh you know hits uh we have had concerns about uh the parcel maps online there there's been several concerns brought to me that when you go to the city's website you put in your parcel and the eru is not updated I think that's fixable you know that's nothing that that this ordinance um you know can address but we we do have issues there if I'm correct there is currently about 5.25 million a year going from sewer into storm water uh we believe that if if this storm water utility is created and that sewer bill should be reduced accordingly or or include that 5.25 million in in in uh the storm water utility and and lower that rate on that side if that makes sense I would be derel uh in my duties if I didn't mention uh like Mrs Anderson did that this will certainly increase the cost of of living and doing business in Reno it will increase cost of all the tenants in your commercial buildings it will increase cost of all your customers as they walk in uh to those commercial tenants na believes we need to take a regional approach and not have a disjointed effort between the City of Reno city of Sparks and wo County we all use the same river and uh the same uh sewer system and Sewer treatment plants we know we need modern up-to-date infrastructure we just uh think that there's a better way to get there thank you Madame mayor for your time thank you so much Tommy Ferraro followed by Adam cersi thank you Madame mayor and members of the council Tommy feraro on behalf of the Nevada Resort Association uh while we appreciate the issues created by storm water and the need for resources to mitigate those issues the association cannot support the ordinance as written first and foremost given that storm water mitigation is an issue with broader impact regionally regionally and Statewide than just within the City of Reno we respectfully request that the action be deferred until after the 2025 legislative session as for the ordinance as presented we believe a less aggressive plan will with a lower fee collection will still adequately address the storm water issues we would also suggest a sunset or tapering mechanism to reduce the amount collected after major projects are completed and deferred maintenance is caught up the Enterprise fund will eventually shift to a maintenance Ru so tapering what is collected will ensure that there is an is not an over collection issu down the road additionally we'd propose the elimination of automatic CPI increases if the city determines that we need more revenue for the program we believe it would be most appropriate for the sake of transparency for the council to vote on an increase we would like to see the inclusion of a flexible credit program that permits fee payers including businesses to do mitigation on their own to reduce their bill the current ordinance limits proactive mitigation credits to Residential Properties finally and importantly we are deeply concerned that the ordinance could ultimately have a negative impact on air service and tourism the airport will likely have to pass a portion of storm water fees to their tenants which will include the Airlines and as we compete to bring additional routes to Reno Tahoe International Airport every dollar counts for those reasons we respectfully request the council defer taking action on this ordinance today thank you all right thank you so much I just have to comment I mean you sound like father I know I'm so sorry but your dad should be really proud even even the hand mannerisms I I love it I I love it and and he's probably very very proud of you I think you did a fantastic job because we don't get to see here I I this is the first time I think I've ever seen you I think so here at Council I think it's the first time so welcome and it's really a pleasure to have you happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to you all thank you so much I think you did a fantastic job and your dad would be very proud good job I just have to comment because it's I'm canny Adam cersi followed by Andrew McCay hi good afternoon uh Adam CI the Chief Operating Officer for the was County School District just got a few remarks to add uh we heard from our school district trustee Adam maybery earlier this morning um I wanted to highlight uh myself the business impact statement letters that were submitted by the school district on multiple occasions um quite a bit of independent analysis that went into those detailed reports don't appear to be included in the packets or unsure if they were provided to council and wanted to highlight a couple of key concerns that were detailed there one of the key points includes uh an in-depth analysis of the basically in in appropriate use of the Consumer Price Index to represent the cost associated with the storm water program um the CPI is a measure of retail prices across UT us consumers and factors in a significant percentage of it items like food and housing that really are not relevant costs for storm water utility um as was previously remarked this morning uh the school district does not have any ability to increase our revenues nor pass along increased costs to our customers as opposed to nearly every other impacted individual or entity within the City of Reno uh the school district must absorb the entirety of the impact of this ordinance uh estimated to be approximately $200,000 on year one uh which will automatically increase thereafter revenue streams such as wc1 revenues are not legally allowed to be used for such reoccurring fees and operating expenses so this burden must be borne exclusively and directly uh by the same budgets and revenue streams that pay for our teachers in our classrooms this impact is clearly substantial and it needs to be emphasized and made clear that uh escalation annual escalation of this rate is uniquely fiscally burdensome to the business of the wash County School District that is providing free public education to all citizens uh the city Areno staff has been uh outstanding and coordinating and collaborating with us particularly ACM Bryant um as a public works professional myself and the school district as an organization public organization we understand and appreciate the need for a healthy stormw water program we we absolutely appreciate the Educational Credit as currently proposed in the ordinance uh but we really wanted to highlight today the unique and dual constraints uh that the school district is subject to on both our revenue and expenditure side and request that the council consider these facts when evaluating the appropriateness of section 127 to20 the automatic CPI annual increases thank you thank you Andrew McCay good afternoon Madame mayor Madame vice mayor members of the council for the record my name is Andrew McCay I'm the executive director of the Nevada franchise Auto Dealers Association uh Madame mayor I never appeared in front of you guys it's been several years uh our trade Association we are all I we represent all of the franchised Auto dealers and heavy duty truck dealers across the state um so but I'm here to speak on behalf of those that do business within the city uh limits much of what I was going to hit on has already been discussed but I think it's important to note and uh put some context particularly with with respect to the CPI and the fact that we maintain that as part of the ordinance this should be something that in the event if this rate needs to be adjusted it should either up or down it should in fact go in front of the council each year uh when you look into terms of an automatic CPI increase and when you look at our business model when we historically run under a below a 2% margin something that auto automatically kicks up fixed costs can be somewhat Pro problematic and we're going to have no choice but to ultimately pass that onto the consumers and the biggest impediment right now getting people into new vehicles is simply cost uh no ifans or buts about it our concern too is is is with respect to the draft language there is no proposed sunset uh on the on the majure once it goes in it in in all the cost are for construction and um development of the uh enhanced storm water we think that it should theoretically drop because maintenance is obviously less than uh what construction is and it was brought to my attention uh by one of my dealers and uh for those dealerships that have catch basin where ultimately the storm water drains into the ground and isn't does not end up uh going into the sewer system excuse me I shouldn't say the sewer system the storm uh drains then ultimately into the river there is no credit on that so while their impact could be lower than a commensurate business with the same uh impervious area they're going to get no credit for it and so the question is and I may have missed that and if they did I apologize but that is a concern of ours as well and then lastly with respect to the business impact statement that this isn't going to have a fiscal impact on business we just maintain that simply incorrect uh in the comments that I put uh uh forward um dated on November the 6th I somewhat outlined it as well as put a spreadsheet in terms of what our estimated monthly costs are uh should this measure uh pass so Madam uh mayor uh Mr vice mayor or Madame vice mayor excuse me um thank you for the time happy holidays merry Christmas happy Hanukkah and uh God speed all right thanks so much thank you with that Madame mayor we have no additional live public comment we don't have any hands raised and for the record um we received the same comments for item E1 through E4 um there were two letters of opposition which have been distributed to the Reno city council and and are a part of the record and with that we're going to close out public comments on E1 E2 E3 and E4 okay thank you so much I appreciate it that being said I'm going to send it back to our team to come on up and show us what you [Music] got Madame mayor council members um good afternoon and for the record my name is John Simpson I am the engineering manager with utility services um today we are back before you today with the storm water utility now I know when we talk about the storm water utility and a new fee it's not all chocolate or chocolate coverage strawberries and cookies and ice cream cones I know this is going to be a difficult conversation and um and and I understand that however I do want to hopefully today impart the importance of a storm water utility and why it's it's needed here at this at the city Arena uh we have four items before you today um the first one is is establishing the fund itself the second is the business impact statement third is compliance with NRS and finally is is the ordinance and so we will be talking about those as we go through the process today what is the purpose of our storm water utility our storm water utility is a fee just like our sewer or Water fee to manage and take care of our infrastructure this means our Capital Improvements our engineering analysis our maintenance and operations and then compliance with the federal and state regulatory requirements and permitting that we have that kind of puts it all under kind of one bubble and and and that's really what we're looking at um I think the city has a responsibility to handle some of this stuff it's no different than our roadways or sidewalks if we have a sidewalk that is um damage uplifted um the public can walk down the road and walk around those things but when the city identifies those things it's something that we need to take care of the storm water infrastructure is no different although it's underground infrastructure and we don't see it it is an important aspect of our City's responsibility and obligation to really take care of this infrastructure we've heard a lot of comments about our storm water Improvement and our CIP and and the and the projects that we have before you this map I know it's hard to re to to read there's a lot of little dots on there we have 50 to 60 locations across the city that have been identified as deficient and deferred stormwater infrastructure this accounts to about $470 million of Capital Improvements that we're looking at um trying to tackle and again this is deferred projects over the last 20 years projects that we have not been able to complete because we haven't had the resources and the funding available to tackle these um if I do want to know because I've had this question quite a bit there's there are some projects that are in the downtown area in 2020 um there was a county initiative to um prop oh it was a county initiative um tax proposal through our um truy River Management Authority s our downtown um Management Authority to set up a feed to help manage and take care of storm water infrastructure related to the trucky River and flooding impacts that we've seen similar to the 1997 event this um funding mechanism did not pass and at that time the city looked at some of those downtown improvements that we had and included them into our CIP which included Bridges um flood walls pumps other items that are in there but I want to note that we do have Partners in this area our regional transportation agency um turfa so the flood agency is is also a partner in these things and the cost that we've we've allocated those things is what we feel is the city Areno share just like when the Virginia Street Bridge was constructed the city participated in some of those costs and so those costs are in there it's not the full cost but it's a portion of those things um I get a lot of questions about the CIP and what these projects are I really want to jump through and highlight just a few of them really quickly so you can really see what infrastructure that we're we're really need to take care of autumn Hills um Southeast Reno this location if you if you look at the the photo on there with the arrows on there you can see debris that's that's built up on that that property that was the water surface elevation in 2017 when that neighborhood flooded last that was in these people's properties in their homes carpet was removed Furniture was removed from those homes um we have an ongoing it's almost yearly where we have issues with our irrigation dishes and these tributary crossings that we have across these that um end up with with properties impacted by dit systems Aila Sagittarius another area I've been at the city maybe eight years and I've seen this twice I've been part of one of the projects to take care of the infrastructure they here and talk to the property owners with kids and and vehicles that couldn't get in out of their properties because of the damage and we come back and we repair the damage infrastructure but we don't necessarily fix the problem because we do not have the resources available point and slw this is a channel um out near um Huer Park I believe this um Channel backs up and the adjacent neighborhood often sees flooding if you look at the picture on the left that was this year instead we have an ongoing struggle with maintaining our channels and our storm drain system in these areas and and and taking care of the infrastructure in those areas in fact um this location Silver Lake Road instead we um saw Thunder burst that came down impacted the property owners but it's also adjacent to a railroad in that area where we've seen um the railroads concerns of impacts to the railroad and the impacts to our warehouse Industries and our other businesses in that community that can get impacted by by a storm waterer vent in that location I have a couple ditches in here too margrave ditch behind Costco if this continues we're likely to see fencing property impacts similar to that with chalk Creek in the Northwest and in fact I think on today's item we've strived hard to make sure that we're trying to provide resources and things and we have a grant right now to do some of the design on this on this project here and we extended that Grant today at council meeting and Council approved that so those were are deferred projects those are a portion of the $470 million projects that we have that we know that we need to take care of on top of that we own 685 miles of storm drain pipe 92 Bridges 163 miles of channels 35 miles of irrigation detention basins other infrastructure across the city that $470 million and that CIP is just a small portion of this infrastructure and what we need to manage we know after we tackle the Deferred projects we know we're going to have ongoing Rehabilitation and repairs that are going to need it this infrastructure has a service life and we have to come back and and manage that infrastructure and another example this year we we continually find new items and new issues that pop up each year R and dman Ranch this was a cover that clogged and impacted the roadway in that location we have to evaluate that do we need trash racks or improvements in this location to mitigate future flooding events the city has begun a storm drain master plan um process I want to say it's a process because it's going to take a number of years it's a multiphase approach but we're looking at our mapping our assets and modeling our storm drain system throughout the city we just completed phase one of the storm drain master plan and the master plan phase one identified $12 million of infrastructure needs and improvements in the storm drain system we know we're going to have ongoing issues after we tackle the theer infrastructure and problems that we have we do not include emergency response and our and our CIP cost that's in there um I don't want you to get too um worked up or or worried about it we know that our staff will expend all our resources available to make sure that we do what we can in in a in a in an event where there's a we need emergency response we know that's important however when we have those events that does defer the cost of our improvements in fact um the National Institute of building science has has done a research study and they've found that for every dollar that you spend on infrastructure and mitigation you save nearly $6 in in disaster costs where have we been and and and where are we going right now I think that's kind of the question that we all have um this storm water utility started in 2018 when Council directed staff to do a feasibility study and look at what we can do to manage and take care of our storm water infrastructure since then we've implemented a plan we've reviewed a number of we've brought a consultant on board and looked at a number of modeling scenarios we've done public Outreach um and have gone through um multiple business impact statements to to get where we are today I do want to go through a little bit more information on the structure of the program we've had some questions about the rate calculation and how that's derived impervious Services what is that well that's the area on your property that's your parking lot your building roofs your um patios and other surfaces where the water will not infiltrate into the ground as a result of that water not infiltrating into the ground that will increase ultimately the runoff on that property so you see a Nexus between your impervious area and your storm drain runoff and it was important for us to look at a program that provides a correlation to their contribution to the storm water system and what their fee and their rate is and so our consultant looked at um a number of properties across the city um and determine that a residential unit on average has about 3,500 square F feet of impervious area um we know that there's a range that's in there we know we have properties and when we looked at there was a you know 10 or 133% that were larger and and you know 15% that were smaller we know there's a range in there but we established that one eru for residential property commercial commercials and and other businesses you basically take that impervious square foot areas and you measure that and divide that by the 3500 square feet to come up with the property's eru total and this St R structure is is is was important to us to make sure that we were we're making it as fair and Equitable as possible to to the constituents and our and our property owners here in the city we in 2020 Council gave us Direction on a on a public outreach program where we had multiple meetings media events um went to our Wards and nabs and met with a number of stakeholders which we continued on to this last week and working with those individuals um as part of that public Outreach we received immense amount of comments I know on June 16th we sent Council a memo with a outline of a lot of the comments that we received ultimately we what we did do is based on the comments and the information that we received from that public Outreach we built a rate in a program there was quite a bit of information on or there's a quite a bit of different components and elements and credits Associated to this first round that we had um we had low assistance wasow County Education water quality credits which we've heard about earlier today um rate ramp ups and um the airport runways and taxiways we developed this program and came up with that $13 46 rate ultimately to manage and take care of that $47 million backlog in 20 years that was the goal is to try to take care of that backlog in the next 20 years um as a result of this rate when we went out to the public again with our business impact statement we received quite a few comments February 22nd we sent Council a memo with the outline of all the comments that we received um ultimately what we really came back to was the rate is too high and expensive the program is too complex and onerous to the property owners and so hearing that message the city went back and said okay how how do we lower this rate and and get something that we feel that our constituents are comfortable with and so um our 1346 we thought we were within the range we're within Carson City and Sparks kind of threshold of where they are um but that we were told that was too much so we went back and we first started out at a $5 rate okay if we just set it at $5 what does that look like we pulled out a lot of the components of of the storm water program that some of the people asked us for because that cost money when you give a credit it increase the cost and so we pulled out a lot of those things and ultimately we said what we saw with a $5 rate is that $47 million would take 98 years to complete that infrastructure right now how much are we spending in 2022 we went back and looked kind of dug through the numbers and and evaluated where we are right now we're spending $7.5 million right now on storm water infrastruct or on our storm water program about three million of that goes to our Capital Improvements our $5 rate is not that far off of that so you can kind kind of see that this infrastructure that we have right now 100 years to try to take care of a backlog of infrastructure is just not acceptable so going back to the drawing board and looking at other options I have two of them up here we looked at multiple options but we ultimately landed on $980 yes some of those crediting programs were removed But ultimately what we were able to accomplish is that $47 million in 32 years how does our rate compare with our other agencies um if you take our sewer and our storm drainer our proposed storm drain rate with Sparks we see that we're about 14% higher than where Sparks is out for a single family residential property we do know however that Sparks is currently in the process of evaluating their sewer rates they're in a study and and have um the same consultant that we had on the last sewer rate study that we have and and I anticipate that we're going to see some cost increases with the Sparks sewer system fees however Sparks does have a storm drain rate that's been in place for almost 20 years actually it might be more than 20 years that 2008 so maybe not quite 20 years but they've had a a program in place for for quite a while which allows them to manage and take care of the infrastructure that they have which ultimately helps them tackle those things and get ahead of those things and and and minimize some of the cost just as a highlight of a little bit more detail on the $980 and what's in that program and what it looks like um the $470 million is 32 years to complete um it includes well at least the model include a 3 and a half% increase with CPI um we have some additional maintenance and operations staff equipment and other staff that would be um brought on board to manage the program and then we ultimately redu some of the program elements itself with the crediting at least on the crediting side um we kept the K through2 education 60% reduction we kept our lowincome assistance and the airport runways and taxiways were all included in the system but we did add a new Regional storm water management credit that's in there and so when Property Owners come to the city Areno and they manage their storm water system they have to install detention basins and other infrastructure that they put in place and before we for property owners that did some of that work we tried to incentivize them to maintain and take care of that infrastructure and that was part of the crediting program that was in place we heard that it was very complex and owners some on the property owners and that um It ultimately was part of our city Areno code that that was a requirement that they needed to take care of and so with that and trying to reduce that fee we looked at a regional fee credit which means any development or area that builds infrastructure that's above and beyond their Community needs can receive a credit for those for those elements and lastly um the implementation of the program which was something that we heard often was when this fee takes place and having time to budget for those items and so the implementation of the storm water utility is not until January of 25 we went back out with another business impact statement this October um re received much um fewer comments this time around but we did provide Council another memo well it's actually attached to the storm water utility um staff report today on the business impact statement and some of the comments that we received from our businesses ultimately what was the finding in the business impact statement um this was clipped from the document there will be a financial impact to non single family Residential Properties with impervious Services we know that this fees is going to increase their costs however what we have said is the necessity of the storm water utility is important it's a need that we have and that outweighs the cost that we're seeing in the community to take care of and manage our storm water infrastructure again where are we and where are we going today we're here to talk about creating a fund talking about the business impact statement and whether council is interested in the adoption of an ordinance to move this forward um with that I have recommendations that are on there I'm open to questions but I would like to add one thing I know that if I can get the overhead we did have one minor change to the ordinance language that um was requested by the airport um I know Lindsay came up earlier and kind of mentioned that briefly um ultimately it was changing um a section about the air airport removal of the national transportation system and remove public and inserted civil aircraft in that item I think ultimately they want to make sure that when we say public um they didn't want that that to be confused with our commercial airlines and not being able to use those impervious or that Runway and taxi way as part of the national transportation system so that was just a minor correction that we had in the ordinance itself and with that I am more than happy to answer any questions all right I don't know Madame mayor if you want me to thank you so much I appreciate it uh I think you did a really a really great job um okay I'm going to send it back to our body uh I know we'll have a lot of conversation on this item so I'm I'll just start with councilwoman eert and then I'm going to go down Council nothing okay go ahead uh councilwoman D yeah thank you um so this is very complex and a lot of people are interested so I hope that we kind of Target our comments and questions very specifically um to help us move this along um to that end I have studied the proposal I have met with you I met with a number of the uh speakers today and I thought maybe the best approach I would have would be to go Point by point on some of the things I heard and say what I personally think makes sense and what it doesn't um I understand I'm coming at this from a potentially different perspective I'm a scientist I managed flooding in our region for many years um went through the same process of establishing a fee um delved into all the issues of is it a fee is it a tax where does it fit um it clearly fits that it's a fee because you are charging for a very specific thing and you're plugging that money back in to build that thing so it's very clear in my mind and over rep flood to um that what you're proposing here is a fee I want to say that I got a lot of com ments from uh public um since I represent South Reno um I heard from a lot of constituents that they're not happy to be paying anything many of them believe that this is a double taxation that they are already paying for this service um and so I even got a call up you know moments before I left today to come here and I asked the gentleman well I understand you don't want to pay are you an engineer he was going to become an engineer trainy but he's in news now and I said I get the issue if you don't want to pay but there's no free lunch and I think the council at the end of the day has to do with something when I started on Council uh well be six years before I started on Council back in 2008 I asked the city council then Reno to enact the fee so that we could have the benefit of time similar to what sparks did um they did not when I started here in 2014 I asked the council to enact a fee it was actually we'll call it 2015 um we did not and then you pointed out that we actually formally started this process around 2018 so um do I think we need one yes um Devil's in the details of course so um I'll try to jump right in and I'm going to ask Madame mayor to allow me to come back around at some point um should people be exempt I don't think so but I think that there's a way to parse the different types of uses that makes sense for that use so we discussed a b and we asked ourselves should non profits be exempt should government agencies be exempt and the resounding answer was no because it's much like do you exempt them from having to buy water buy fuel uh pay MV energy Etc pay for their sewer or no it's it's a cost of doing business it's not something we can just wave as if it doesn't matter um the big question was and and this was a philosophical one for me um I always thought that we would would reduce the sewer fee to compensate for the money we're taking out and putting over in the storm water fee but we would increase that storm water fee because it's insufficient that's where my basic premise came from um I think that um the staff have explained that that's more difficult to do and so I'm I'm open to reducing the fee uh to some number that feels right to people um and Madame mayor I I don't want to take up more time but I I have put together just a list of proposals whenever you want we'll come back fine okay thank you so much go ahead uh councilman Taylor okay thank you madam mayor um thank you for the presentation I have a bunch of questions um based on the public comment that I heard and that you heard but I think I might be able to capture it in one question so I'm going to do that I know we had an initial round um back in December of 2022 with the first bis and where we're at now based on the public comment that you have heard today and the concerns that you that have been brought up sunsetting taxing automated CPI um deferring it for another year is there anything that you have heard today that differs from the public comment that you have received in the last year that would change your recommendation no okay I do have one question also about um somebody said that there was a I think it might have been the school district that there was a $50,000 impact and that we defined it as no impact I don't know exactly if that if you could clarify that really quick that was the airport that was the airport if you go back to the um presentation um I did clip out that section from the business impact statement those are the exact words that came out of there we we do understand that there is an impact okay however the um the important thing to know is is yes there is an impact to those individuals sure we understand that but the stormw utility NE necessity outweighs the fact that there is impact we need to take care of that infrastructure if we don't we will continue to see deficient um and deferred projects eventually we're going to have failed infrastructure in our roadways in our in our community we already have seen multiple pictures today of channels that property owners and other things that are are are in dire me at this point right now so um my other my other question is have you ever seen anything get cheaper over the years because I heard a couple people say let's wait until 2025 this is great we need to do it everybody appreciates that we have to do it um just not now let's wait a little bit longer so what do you I mean I've never I work in the industry and I've never seen anything get cheaper as time go on I I have not seen our Capital Improvement costs get less since I've started as an engineer and done projects if I can get the overhead I can just put up a quick slide that shows the increase cost by waiting one year by extending a project 10 15 years and um you can ultimately see in here the cost SO waiting from 2024 to 2025 in in the program the inflation costs increase the project three to 5 per. okay if you wait 10 years you're seeing a 15 20% increase in those costs of that of that infrastructure typically so um and one question that councilwoman derer brought up our point was on that sewer fee that we're collecting we've been taking that out of the sewer fee to pay for storm water so we've sort of been depleting this the sewer fund to pay for storm water and we still need the improvements or the the the funding to manage our sewer improvements is that accurate I think that's an accurate statement so um the storm water utility is currently paid out of the sewer fund um however the sewer fund has always been the priority for all the infrastructure improvements and everything that we do here at the city and that's why we have 20 years of deferred projects and other items that are in there we haven't had the the funding the resources to tack those things through the so lowering the sewer fund fee isn't going to get us where we need to be either I I I agree with you with that statement that removing the fee and lowering the fee will impact the the sewer fee itself but we're we're typically not I mean there is a cost Associated to that in our in our in our sewer fund however like I said the sewer fund is the priority that's always been the priority in the sewer fund and that infrastructure is always has taken the the the first um I guess the the first approach or the first okay thanks John thanks mad mayor councilman Martinez go ahead thanks so much Madam mayor thank you Mr Simpson for the presentation um and Miss magon for all the work that you all have done to get us to this point I mean it's been five years that the conversations have started I been ongoing and obviously a lot of backlog of projects that need to happen and I don't think anybody disagrees with the fact that we do need to make these improvements and prepare for any sort of disaster that happens um in our region I'm glad to hear about the collaborations with the flood Management Authority and making sure that those projects kind of don't overlap and we're looking at different areas to mitigate and make sure that we put the money where those um outside of the scope of the flood Management Authority boards I appreciate your efforts there along with the storm water income assistance um program I had a question about um the flat fee the erus will not be um catered or adjusted to each parcel at every single family home will receive the same amount uh fee that is correct correct that is correct so originally we had a tiered system to try to account for some of the comments that we had where you have a house that's 10,000 square ft that's much larger than a smaller one that's 1100 square ft and and that the ineris area could have an impact but in the end part of the complexity of the project and and managing some of those things um one of the suggestion was to every single parcel in the City of Reno and looking at every individual residential parcel you know that takes a substantial effort on on staff time and other things and we don't want to create a storm water program that is cumbersome and costly on administrative side rather than um and and actually tackling those improvements and those things that we need in spending the money in the right place okay thank you I had one more question maybe for the attorneys uh we received a letter from the University um about taxes and state organizations or state buildings so I just curious if you all can comment um anything on that letter that we got from the University from your son Mr Shipman or Mr Hall Mr Thornley if any of you would like to comment on that so just to clarify there's a question about whether it's a tax or a fee is that correct it's uh we've done the research on it and it is a fee it's not a tax we're comfortable with that yep just wanted to double check with you all that you were okay um with some of those things um I will have a few other comments about we reserve that for the second round thank you all right go ahead councilman breus thank you Madame mayor um you know really good presentation today was very well done to kind of distill the complexity of it and easily understandable manner so I um early on you know I'm the one of the longest mayor and I are the longest standing members on the body um always advocated for the storm water utility when I understood you know the suit what was going on with the sewer um and um you know felt it a way to to get some equ Equity there particularly because the first year I came up the previous Council gifted us with the CIP escalator as an aside to my friends who talked about a CIP escalator something I've been talking about for 10 years now Reena SE on is CIP um haven't seen you around to join in the conversation but better late than never it stands in incredible contrast to tum that while they have a toll on water um does just a you know so a steady stream of funds coming in but they also do a wonderful CIP and prepare the board for five month fiveyear rate increments calibrated to those cips and I have been um very uh troubled by the fact that the city is not demanded the same on our sewer fund and hope that maybe a day would be where we do get there so the escalator was always going to be a problem for me in fact I've been calling for the sewer to not escalate but um little did I know when started down this road how taxed the sewer fund would be you know so my friends in the development Community can't have it both ways can't be demanding development that drives rzw worth expansions torf and then come and say you're against the sewer fund or the storm water because we've been stealing from the sewer to do the storm water so can't have both ways and I've sat at the corner of where um Santa is going to be draining a whole Canyon to know that there will be big maintenance operations when Toll Brothers is off and um made their you know nut on that one so I do support that I I think that I would see it come a little bit more with a you know a certain amount that the council is comfortable of getting the CIP giving you a longer life on the onm but then and being honest and not going on CIP I'm very uncomfortable with a CIP and even make the pledge out into the world that we're going to repeal the CIP the CIP on the sewer fund I think that'll make the Reno budgeting much more honest and we have a great example with Tomah to the public agencies I'm a little sympathetic um I'm glad you R didn't stand up but I guess they wrote a letter because you know I've seen a lot of money get invested through the sewer fund to enable certainly un are I think we have a drainage project right now that one behind Costco that we're doing pretty much to protect the airport the school district is a little bit more challenging for me but I know that we're always out there they're dispersed and that's why so I I think there's a balance to be had I'm not sure that the airport what they're asking for is exactly where I want to be right now if a single family home owner in Southwest Reno their driveway counts I think a Cessna owner who who has a lease on a hanger his their driveway should not count um so those are some of my Concepts on that but I think we're definitely very close to being on the right track and not only that it's getting perilous with what we've got sitting out there with the rzw worth expansion I think you know I think early on sta was saying ah we got it h handled from the sewer fee I think the fact that we've been got a stranded asset with rzw worth no idea really how we're going to turn that effluent into whatever we're turning it into knowing that the standards for T War are coming down is it's dire we got to stand this thing up got to stand it up right but I think we need to do it very fairly so um we'll see where it goes from here but I think we're close all right thank you okay I'm G to um send it now to councilman ree thank you madam mayor um my comment in this round will really just be brief and thoughts about what I'm thinking about the entirety and then I have a second round where I have more specific questions the first thing is I think the presentation Mr Simpson was outstanding uh it painted a real human picture to the issue that we're facing I think uh this Council has acknowledged some historical deferral of Maintenance in across multiple different systems including the sewer system or roadways uh now here storm water utility so um we're prior councils were dealing with different kinds of issues this council is now being left with the vestages of a long period of time it's more than 20 years I know it said 20 years and the and the principle is that it's probably been a 30 or 40 year kicking the can down the road and so I'm I'm hopeful that this Council will not do that although I do have some concerns about what we've talked about today um I'll say also that um with regard to some very specific properties I look at the history of our region I think back to the 1997 floods which did a billion dollars worth of economic damage to our Airport um I look at even uh you know if you lived here long enough you know about other flood events um and all of those flood events have resulted in a dramatic impact to our region in terms of uh damage in some cases loss of life because we have had experiences where we've had people who have died as a result of the flooding so what we know about our region is that we're going through more um the intensity and frequency of flood events is increasing so it's now is a Time where we've got to make some commitments I think it's part of our sustainability issue um so we have a half a billion dollars in deferred maintenance we have ditch companies that appear to be to me under capitalized and potentially ready to fail at any time um and so I think we're at a moment in time where we can make some good decisions now my my next start of this is to say that I think we still have some work to do I'm not sure that I'm prepared today to move forward with every aspect that's been proposed the reason why I say that is in part because we have so many of our good partners in the room today who have raised legitimate concerns about uh our involvement now what I will say is that most of these people spend a fair amount of time in the legislative process lobbying legislators is why we haven't seen them a lot in these rooms and the legislative process is a has a bit more time that allows things to percolate and be reworked and then they get through committees and hearings and staff and all those things it's not that we haven't spent time on it but I just wonder if we have included everyone that we need to uh when the AGC comes and they say look we're not opposed to the thing that you're proposing but we'd like a little bit more time we really weren't invited back to the table after the initial pass at it and we feel like we haven't had the opportunity to make all of our thoughts known you know that gives me pause um there are a number of different um constituent groups whether it's Builders or naop or Edon we don't generally have this number of people in the room who are all saying centrally the same thing which is we recognize the need for it we know that there are things that are going to happen that cost money and no one wants to spend but we'd just like a little bit more time to bake it so that's really where my concerns lie at this time so let's see what we get to in the next couple of rounds and I'd love to hear from my colleagues all right thank you so much Council mber um so I I agree that we need to do something and I was going to bring up something that council member ree mentioned you know the flooding at the airport in in 1997 I'm sure that was a huge cause to repair I I'm not sure who who paid for that at that time um but you know to council member Taylor's Point nothing ever gets cheaper you know we need to do something um but I wanted to ask have we made any efforts to try and regionalize this as well and work with the county because an area of concern for me is um you know my ward is kind of a unique shape and we have Swan Lake in the middle and there was some flooding that happened there um and it was an unusual circumstance where you know it was County Land and city land and I could see a benefit to having these kind of things regionalized not just for management purposes but also um it might be a cost saving so um has that been looked into and and you know what was the outcome there if if there was consideration I I think conversation about re region regionalizing not only the storm water but the sewer and other things have have been a conversation for a long time trying to do that is is something completely different you know trying to set up a a storm water a regional storm water program I would anticipate that taking years probably 15 maybe more years to try to accomplish something like that and get that in place um is is it a good idea yeah it very well could be a benefit for our community but it gets really complex and difficult to to establish something that like that and I think it's going to take years to do that you know my recommendation is let's try to take care of the infrastructure that we have now if we already have a fee in place that can be adjusted when a if a regional approach comes in yeah that would be my my recommendation is I do believe we need to do something now but also maybe take steps towards regionalization because Sparks is doing something um you know if if we could share that burden like I said it it would be a benefit um both with maintenance and potentially maybe with savings across the board so that's something I would like to see you know pursued even if we move forward with this today so and I I would like to point out that we work hard to work with our regional parsers waso County and Sparks and and our other agencies to make sure that we're coordinating and doing those things when when we have flooding issues or events and of those things that doesn't mean that's not occurring and that you know a regional you know look with our other agencies isn't happening but um establishing a a program and a in a for a regional storm water infrastructure is is something that's going to be difficult all right thank you okay we're um we did one round so I'm going to start now with Council and recas I just I I do want to speak to the regional nature I think we can always participate on projects when they're on our mutual cips but I think Sparks is happy with theirs and Washo County if they'd stand up one up for the unincorporated and that's just large lot residential for the most part you know the the meat is here and we need to deal with this now um with the airport I think we can get there I don't know about a map because then every time they change something it has to be done I just think that it needs to be the non-private Enterprises they have a lot of private Enterprises even someone who has a running a flight school that's that's not that's private and so I hope that's not included the pad for the Cessna owner you know that's not included so that's um a great great question we do have um um and worked with the airport the private hangers the private plane parking locations and those things are not part of the area that is removed as part of the previous area we're really looking at our runways our taxiways and the aprons for the commercial properties okay yeah and not Mr der's 8 million square feet you know where he's going to be bringing in Warehouse trucks the education criteria I'm very uncomfortable with I don't want to be involved in curriculum development you know let the legislature say you know you got to do this kind of education that kind of education I think it's really not a good place for a local government to go what do we do next time approve a School site and say you have to you know talk about the little weed that got tored down to build a school there no I just I I don't think the city's here to provide Direction on what that curriculum is but what we what we do know that can benefit our community is when we take these younger children and build them up with a knowledge of what flood risk is and what um storm water quality and what storm water is in our community we build advocates for our infrastructure in the future but we are not planning to provide any curriculum to the school districts what at all we're saying if you do provide this education opportunity you can receive this credit yeah I'm not even comfortable with that I'm comfortable with the way that tomwa has their you know one River fund and there's a set aside and we Grant out I'm just not even comfortable with that I I see you want to give them a break and I support you know if that's 5 10% bringing that down that now the but the re the two I really want to talk to are the two-tier residential um and I'll because I always get cut off and this is so consequential you know every study that's been commissioned says the more affordable housing is going to be smaller in size maybe attached product and I would really like to see some tier for what we're saying build which is attached product and we had that in the first draft and I understand your explanation about the complexity the second one is in the overall is I'll throw out here a seven-year with the CIP with a number to get the CIP to where we want to do seven years and I think we need to be realistic about how many projects we can get out in a year because I've heard over at Tuma you know if you can get out you know 50% of your CIP budget in one year so 7ye plus a 5year o andm budget for a 12year life and then after that 12year life I want to gift the next Council what I wasn't gifted with with is some decision making so that's the number I'm saying is a seven-year o andm and it can be as aggressive as what first came out but it has to be realistic on what you think you can spend down and then five years plus that of o and m and I want this sewer to come off the CI the escalator I want the sewer to come off the CIP thank you so much councilwoman um D go ahead yeah thank you um I'll just jump right back in um one of the issues F first of all I'm very grateful for the people in the audience and others have written in because they have revealed to us where the pinch points are and where the issues are from their perspective so I want to first um talk about the crediting um I think that it's quite artificial to establish a 15% credit I understand you needed something to work with but I really think that some of the communities the developers that are participating in the regional system it could be greater and I think when you put that number in the ordinance many people don't look at it as a maximum they look at it as a minimum so they want at least a 15% credit and I think each one should be evaluated on are they generating a Regional Credit and what is that and and appropriately credit it so it could be 30% credit and uh an example of a 30% credit might be where we have identified the critical flood zone um it where we've required 30% more like one 1.3 to one mitigation it's that 30% over that three um is going to address a regional system uh the one is what they have to do to to keep water from going on to their neighbor so that might be subject to a a credit process and so I would like to just delete the 15% number and just leave it open so that each group that's providing a regional benefit can have that conversation with you and address it in a very scientific manner um on the um uh the public issue about the was County School District the UNR and other really like the airport I think that potentially we could use a cap so that um no uh charge would be greater than a certain number and I think think that would serve to contain it but still acknowledge that they have to participate but that they should not participate to an extraordinary amount like 10 times more than other people um the there was a question about Community uh benefit and there wasn't a mention about developer and property I think developers Property Owners as well as communities and HOAs should be eligible for a credit based on what they're contributing perhaps someone contributes a piece of land that will help us that land might be more than you know the whole storm water credit far more and so I want to be able to recognize the contributions that people are making um the on the CIP I I similarly think like we've experienced 7% on the CIP this La you know last two years um I think that is way too much and I think that potentially we should look at a cap on CIP so it would never be more than 3% something like that um or to my colleagues points maybe not go on CIP CPI excuse me um maybe do another thing and at tomwa every couple years we have to make decisions on setting rates taking into account everything and I think that's appropriate I would like to see a review of this process every four years that means that every Council within a four-year period would have a crack at it so that's a thought I have um the regional approach I'm chair of Western Regional Water Commission I willing to commit to beginning that conversation about a regional fee but like you said um this is a lot more complicated than let's say regionalizing fire service and even that has been very complicated right I mean it's a simple act there's a fire you put a team you fight the fire you can identify the cost this is extremely variable and different than that and so I do think you are right it's going to take a long time to establish that I'll come back with more but thank you Madame mayor um those are the some beginning thoughts all right thank you so much all right any further questions councilwoman Taylor go ahead um thank you madam mayor I don't necessarily have any more um questions I'm just going to start with some of my thoughts too um I am I'm open to eliminating the 15% and looking at other options for that um as my colleague said I'm not sure I understand a cap for the other for the school districts or how that would work but I'm open to listening to those ideas I do not like us telling the school district what to do with any of their curriculum at all um I don't feel comfortable with that um I would like to see some sort of review in place not necessarily a sunset but something that comes back to make sure that we are doing what we said we were going to do and evaluating where we are um with our projects and being able to adjust either either way with our funding I think the rate rate is appropriate based on where we started and where we could go and looking at it's going to take us 32 years to accomplish $470 million um I I think I think that is a good start and that's where I'm at right now thank you so much okay thank you so much go ahead councilman Martinez thanks so much similarly I'm just going to take the opportunity to mention a few of my thoughts on this um we haven't brought up the fact uh of renters and having any protections I know during my briefings I've asked um about those opportunities and just seeing what other municipalities have done because the end of the day those landlords will get this bill and we don't know how those will be distributed to those renters and so if there's any way that we can protect or make sure that they're not being overburdened with these costs and those are associated with this so I don't know if you have it looks like you have some thoughts so I'll let you go we we do have a lowincome assistance program that's in place for for individual similar to the Sewer that if they meet a certain criteria they can see see um assistance for the fee itself um however um I do understand that um Property Owners um that are seeing this fee will will likely pass those on to those renters yeah and that's normally um how we see this I look at the 50% reduction and credits a little bit differently just having gone through the audit with code um I wouldn't want us to get into any situation where there is some discrepancies in the way that those credits are applied so I'd rather see some guard rails um where those are and making sure that staff has sort of guidelines on how those are applied for folks the the other thing I agree with my fellow council members is making sure that we review this every so often making sure there's a timeline of when this comes back for us to see and then maybe introducing a cap to those increases in CPI if we are to move forward forward with the attachment uh for that fee there so those are kind of the thoughts I have in that space yeah right sure that I'm Fair um so I don't want to skip over Council woman and breus nope I'm ready for round two Madame mayor okay and I think Council woman breus yet had two yeah but you know what I'm going to ask for a vote to wave these rules this is the most consequential vote of the year I of the Year longlasting fiscal number and I think we need to wave the rules it's 300 p.m. my my Christmas vacation doesn't need to start at 3:15 you know no one else is saying their Christmas Vacation needs to start at any time so I I we all think it's important I want you to know that so can I can I is that a motion are you making I'll make a motion to wave the rules okay I'll move to okay stay calm for the purpose of discussion I think miss breus you are not wrong but I also want to understand what you hope the rules wave or will mean will you be speaking for 20 minutes or do you just want another three rounds I I'm supportive of your our argument I'm trying to be lean what does that look like I I think it looks like everyone having their questions in a very thoughtful direction to staff and so I still have some questions will there be 20 minutes I doubt it but I do I I do still have some questions we've got a lot of public here I think we need to do that and I think we also need to to be uh not confined um as we craft motions because there's going to be a lot of different idea there are already a lot of different ideas on the table so miss breus I've seconded it because I agree with you in principle but what I will say is that there are of course procedural rules that allow us to call for the question and I wouldn't want to obviate that when we get to a moment where that looks like the will of the body yeah okay okay so I've seconded it okay okay so let me just say one thing here I always allow more more time I want everyone to understand that regardless of um what is ConEd up here so I I would like to propose why don't we do two more rounds I agree um and but we still some of you still have not I think everyone's had two no council neber hasn't so if you haven't then you get two more okay all right so that's my motion for your Amendment or specificity on yes that's what it would look like okay all right so all those in favor I all those opposed motion carries okay Madame mayor I want to just speak to some very specific points in my second round and the first one is um I for my part although uh it is not a well let me say this in a general sense there are lots of very fine details being pointed out by each of my colleagues many of which I'm not sure how we take each one individually and therefore then place them into an end result so I'm going to be sort of leaning on uh maybe our expert in that area which is Miss do when we get to that moment to figure out which of these various options there are because I've heard 237 uh different kinds of little tweaks or knits to it and I think it is important I think Miss breus was right the devils in the details um I for my part would exempt the waso county school district and the University of Nevada Reno in part because we have so little ways in which we positively impact educational opport unities in our region because the city does not really play a role in it um and so for my part um the the dollar amounts are so very small even over the lifetime of the the anticipated cost that I just am not sure that that's a burden I want pass along to uh both our was County School District students and our folks who are attending higher education so that is something to to be considered um the second thing is um I do think there's something that Miss bre has also touched on which was absolutely true which is that there should be an ability for each Council to have a role in the rate setting process and so what I wrote down just for my own edification and notes is that we would require Council review every three years or when CPI is greater than 4% so it might be a trigger that's related to that again I I'm not saying that's what I have to have in order to support I'm just suggesting that's true um the other thing is I think that there uh M B is Al on to something in mentioning some kind of a tier or a credit for micro units or smaller units um we've just gone through recently uh and over the course of the last couple years different uh uh ways of impacting positively the kind of development we want and if if one of those ways we can do that is through this type of targeting of credits I think that could be uh helpful to the development Community um but again these are just some of the thoughts I had and and I do return to something I said earlier which which is um there are lots of good ideas being thrown around I I worry that some of the good ideas will either get um overlooked or left on The Cutting Room floor because we have not been able to do the kind of work shopping that I I maybe had hoped we would be able to do with it but again I think the discussions here have been good and um appropriate and so I'm continuing to try to engage in the iterative process I did have one question Mr Simpson I'm so sorry I didn't mean to make you sit down and then get back up do business impact statements go stale what's the deal there if we don't run it out in a certain amount of time does it go away I will let legal answer that question thank you so much for the record city attorney's office John Shipman um yeah so they just have to be adopted within 10 days before the adoption of the final ordinance so you could te technically adopt it today and pass the ordinance in the future or you can where you can come back when you want to do the ordinance I but it just has to be 10 days before the final adoption yeah okay okay um so I just want to point out so breus 2 Martinez 2 Taylor 2 Reese 2 derer 2 eert one mayor zero am I correct um Council M nebert yeah okay all right um so just a couple of quick questions obviously there is still a lot of uncertainty here and I think um there was a lot of really valid points in public comment I also think my um call colleagues here on this body have asked some really good questions and have some very valid concerns uh why don't you reiterate what the fee is exactly because I know it's bounced around and so let's get some clarity correct so 980 a month and I why why do I want to say we started out at like s am I right 13 no we the Fe the feasibility had a structure that was it 8 to $10 $8 to $10 was the original feasibility study that that was sent out with the feasibility study our first round with the first bis was 1346 okay and then comparing in the region what is um Sparks Sparks is I can it's 15 um 52 Sparks and Carson City has a range on theirs and it ranges from seven to about $15 7 to 15 correct and those are for residential property owners okay so it's common to be in there and Reno would start out lower the other thing too I think the question because I did get a lot of um correspondant on this an email was the double taxing in dman so I think that needs to be very much clarified what that looks like because it seems so confusing I know um do has been on that so yes I I appreciate that but I think you're right like everyone uh you know I all of us probably have the same there's it's kind of broad so I want to make sure that we don't leave any of those out I would imagine councilor you're keeping a list I am and checking it twice I'm keeping a list on what everyone's saying so I can give a motion that everyone could agree with okay so just include those on there and then the other thing is um I was surprised because we work so well with AGC uh when Alexis said that she did not get a response I really think that this is one of those that we've got to get right and we've got to be super responsive and so if they have concerns um we've just got to have answers whether we know them or not I think sometimes people people you know uh respect the fact when you say you know what I don't know I'll find out we'll get back to you um that one is always a tough one when when you feel like you haven't been heard and I know that you guys have been so busy I think I've sent you a ton of people too and I appreciate you and you've been very kind um but I also know you've been inundated so I appreciate it but I do think like I mean there's probably 15 to 20 Questions here um so I don't think that we have come to full fruition to see the light of day yet so anyway okay um I just want to make sure councilwoman eert no you're fine okay then I'm going to go back down to councilwoman breus go ahead yeah I just I am prepared in terms of moving forward to kind of have a some touch points and just have this come back in January to take votes up and down on different specifics of it I think that would be a best process um and I um think the the airport one seems solved so I wouldn't put that in the bucket I do want to talk about the credit because it changed quite a bit from the two versions and the credit let's remember not applicable to single family okay so right there out the shoot single family homes don't get at this discount problematic to me I also want to say that you know I'm I'm in strong opposition to what Miss Stewart says is don't C at 15 make it you know this way that's negotiable that's subject to political pressure I don't want to put staff in that world and here's the other way how I see these the way it's drafted with the add-ons is you know some properties in modern times okay like say a Daybreak were so difficult to get to approval because they were so vulnerable that they had to put a lot in okay they're not going to get a credit out of of that in my world of fairness no in my world they'd be sitting on their old rural zoning because they're going to cause a lot of problems okay but this is set up to let them a let them off the hook a lot and that's not right so I am not even in favor of the 15% discount and I hear this double taxation thing I mean I was around when dman was permitting and a lot of that I recall was Wetland mitigation because under the laws of the United States you know they were not going to be able to develop there so let's let's come back in January and really noodle that because um and I get it you know I represent an older part of town where they didn't even have zoning okay so Mr nuland he could just do what he did but I don't think this 15% is on the right track at all and I think it's unfair to you know homeowner Joe or homeowner you know Joanne and I think it's also um uh going to throw in there for favorability ironically some of the most flood Hazard properties that are built on tough spots so that's that the single family tier I'd like a I'd like a a clear Clarity on that but this ramp up it it I noticed that was there a fouryear ramp up so a phasin of the fees we we had originally put a three a threeyear ramp up up knowing that um property owners are going to have to adjust and and account for the fee that was coming up um this round we just pushed that out a year so they have a year to prepare everyone single family too everyone okay so you know that helps the UN um that helps the school district on their two-year and I want to make another Point too on the school district I'm going to disclose that I am employee of uh Nevada system of higher education I have a um part-time job at trucky Meadows but I thought in here um cuz someone said UNR and School District well TMCC is going to be asking and then I thought also are Charter Schools even included in the language here the language says all K through 12 so even the the you know the parochial so um I just want to call that out because Mr um some I think it was Mr ree said you know let these ones out and um I I just don't know you know I would be more comfortable with a highly um rebated education structure you know we've got single family we've got non- single family and we have education if we want to go that way that's those are my comments thank you all right any other yeah okay one one second I just want to ask because this question has not been asked um city manager Doug Thornley has there been a conversation with the county on what this possibly could look like in collaboration or where are we at um what give me a little background there if you have some I can give you a very little background there um as Mr Simpson said earlier um regionalizing services like this is the topic of ongoing conversations between us and the county uh and while there is willingness uh from the county to continue having those conversations and and engage in ever more detailed discussion um to date there has not been what I would describe as meaningful Traction in that space so I think it is an aspirational goal of ours but uh what we are concerned about is as your staff is um the ever growing challenge of maintaining this infrastructure in the face of um in the face of failure right because we all know actually you know what affects our backyard affects everyone else's backyard so I think again the conversation needs to be had so that was another thing I'd like to have included in the motion councilwoman dur of um a letter to the county and having a conversation we have not had a joint meeting in a very very long time with was County and there is a lot going on and this is probably uh one of the top subjects mad mayor can I just ask you know um I think that we've got great Regional Partners in the county and the City of Sparks I understand that Sparks is a little bit out ahead of us and they've been doing this for a little longer I I sometimes think about the way in which Tuma was formed right it is something that came afterwards and then you know certain assets were then pledged or committed to tomoa I I don't know that it for me it tells me we should not act it just says that once we have acted if we continue down that path in the future it may lead to Greater opportunities for regionalization I fundamentally believe that sewer storm water um and um General um water related things anything that touches water should be something regionally thought about uh and so I think it's worth our pursuing it it doesn't mean for me I'm opposed to doing it but I do think those conversations should be happening uh as quickly as practicable agree all right Council Ebert no all right go ahead Council all right my third time um something I haven't touched on yet and but I have brought up to staff a lot is that as we move the storm water out of the sewer fee I think it's a time to take a close look at the sewer and how we're managing that we charge a flat rate so if you've got one person in your family or five your charge the same for the sewer dep despite the fact that you have one shower versus five showers like you know any number of times a week or that you do one load of laundry or five loads of laundry it really impacts it uh differently I I brought this up many years ago on Council I was told that there was a big implementation fee uh cost excuse me with bringing on the storm water we're going to have probably additional staff and additional time to look at this and I think it's critical just like we've said we don't necessarily want a flat fee on storm water which I happen to agree with the same thing we want to preference micro units and smaller INF impervious so we we need to charge these things differently so I want to while we're looking at that on storm water I think we need to right now we've already got the meters in place there's a process that we could follow is to meter uh sewer the second thing is that we have a sewer rebate program and undoubtedly we're going to come up with a storm water rebate program um that rebate program is only annual you get to apply uh during a period of 60 days uh people that have come to me and said like I am paying so much for sewer right now they've pointed out their rate went from like $40 or 30 some dollars it's now $71 per quarter they are looking for rebate they're again a single small person so I've understood that administratively we can fix these things and we don't have to fix it by ordinance but I wanted to go on record as saying that while we're implementing potentially a storm water rebate program we should be looking at the sewer rebate program and making that a 360 day you could apply any day uh nobody says everybody moves into their place on January 1 um I just I think that's artificially bureaucratic and I think we have the opportunity to do better um as far as the review period I think that we should review this let's say it implements in January of 2025 I think we should review it uh pretty soon after let's say within two years and then go on to maybe a threeyear or fouryear whatever review cycle um so that we understand how's it working almost always when you implement something this big and this new there's going to be tweaks you need to make and so we shouldn't hold off like for three or four or five years we should get right on them um council member if I might on the on the review process um this will come back in an annualized basis as part of the regular CIP workup and the budget process and so there will be already a process by which the council will have an opportunity very hard when we're dealing with a billion dollar budget to understand the impacts of a little program you know just one little program I think we should take an affirmative view but that's my thought I understand what you're saying I just don't want people to think that that it's never it's on aut never Revisited and it's on autopilot and it never comes back to this room then finally um I think we have to take a close look at what's included in the capital project for storm water I've already discussed this at some length with our staff things like big Bridges they don't have much to do with storm water they have a lot to do with flooding such as Virginia Street bridge that uh backed up water and caused flooding but generally they allow water to pass and storm water has a water quality component and a Overland flow component and so I just want to I know that the staff have gone back and they fine-tune what's in this Capital program but I just want to make sure some of these things should be on our regular um CIP for civil projects they shouldn't be bundled into the storm water program you know I I think that may have been done in the beginning but we just should be clear on What's storm water what's sewer and what's General civil CIP CP uh CIP thank you all right any further questions I'm going to send it Council breus this is your final one yeah I just um I agree concur with the you know through the budget process but I don't even think a review you know a review you know we do reviews I've seen reviews Skip and we haven't done reviews I really believe in a termination of it you know set it once in time and um that's how I would do it also um you know I know the the the fixed your count argument for the single family on the sewer let's just let's just not do the CIP let's just have that rate go flat at as a first step after a period of time so if I was to make a motion which this is not I would accept the fund set up I would accept the business improvements setup I would direct staff to come back in January to show us a proposal for dealing with educational institutions maybe that's a third tier non- single family sing single family and educational facilities that are you know have some definition I would also want to understand a little bit more the single family tier and and see if we can get somewhere for attached Lots it looks like between the two versions they they change some language and put um duplexes in um but I I really would like to understand that and I think we also need to plan for the probability of accessory dwelling units coming in too because that could be a gray area that we're going to lose L out on I would say let's work with the 986 but let's get a duration proposal from staff for a CIP to you know make some progress in seven years show the public we've made progress solve some things and then go and o&m after that I think then the case would be made to a council in the community we're going to up it after a year whatever like a CIP this is almost how you would treat a franchise agreement you know franchise agreements come up they're looming they're big and I think we can be disciplined and put a dead stop on this um you know and and show to the whoever's sitting these seats at that time that it's done and then I also really do want to revisit the credit program I I I have I have quite a bit of heart heartburn on it um I'm not saying I'm completely opposed to a credit program but um I think just the rate got knocked down the rate should be what the rate is the ramp up I think I'm comfortable with and I also think we need to have a discussion an up or down about if we're willing to pull off the CIP maybe you know in in eight years or five years um two for the sewer so that's how I would like to proceed is except those two but give some direction for up and down boats on some of the more meaty substantive issues that we've discussed today all right sending it to uh Council Mur go ahead you want me to make the motion is that what you're saying I think everyone has has there everyone had their final see Bert have you okay so in terms of this type of motion where we still H we we don't have consensus on some things and some things we do um my recommendation is to direct staff uh to address these issues and there's about 10 maybe a little more and to come back with a proposal we may not all agree so to council member breus this point we may have to have some up and down votes on a on a spefic specific thing where we're concerned we don't agree but the the so what I would like to do in the motion is to say staff please consider this issue you've heard what we said and come back with a proposal and we'll either like it or we'll amend it does that make sense well M St I just want to make sure and they've dragged the recommended motion up because there are so many different uh nits so I wonder I think Mr Shipman was sort of helping us to figure a piece of this out as it related to the staleness or or not of the bis so how might we accomplish the task yes so what what you can do today um is adopt the fund policy so E1 move to accept the business impact statement and make the determination under E3 and then all the um comments relative or items in direction to staff can become under E4 which will come back at a later date okay does that make sense want me to make okay okay does that yeah those three motions and then got it okay three just bear with me when we get there all right so I'd like to make a motion to adopt the resolution improve the storm water fund and the policy I think is how it was right to establish the storm water fund and I'm not sure what's in the policy so is it something we don't know we never talked about it here today and again for maybe for just clarification you you can just say I move to adop staff recommendation on item I'm not sure what the fund policy is versus the fund itself thank you for that question Vicky van and Director of Finance um the fund policy just allows us to set up the accounting for the revenues coming in in the expenditures for the storm water it's just the accounting background okay for it all right so item one I would recommend uh staff I would propose motion on staff recommendation to adopt second okay I recommend make a motion to adopt the storm water fund resolution and the fund policy okay all right so a motion a second say I I carries all right item two um I move to approve acceptance of the business impact statement and finding that it is in compliance with NRS 273.5 that a business impact statement was prepared and is in accordance there to and the Reno city council hereby finds that this ordinance this is my question I thought it does find that there is a a direct economic impact on businesses and this motion says there isn't but you said there was in your presentation I'm gonna um maybe um have Susan help me with with that um so so um yeah we that is the correct motion that it does not impose a direct and significant economic burden that's what I'm being told well if I may you you said Mr Simpson that the the bis did maybe we need to call it Miss Roth that looks like she's heading this way now sorry for the confusion well Square yes okay all right it s uh Susan B Deputy City attorney good afternoon mayor council members um pursuant to the business impact it's significant okay and so you're saying that it does not because as you if you read the business impact statement prepared and attached it lay out that all factors were considered to minimize theact okay so that was an important word for me that it does have an economic burden but it's not considered significant in light of the ultimate goal so my motion is to approve acceptance of the business impact statement and finding that it's in compliance with NRS 27308 uh that it was prepared and is in accordance there too and that the Reno city council hereby finds that this ordinance does not impose a direct and significant economic burden upon a business nor directly restrict the formation or expansion of a business right motion I have a second second I have a second any discussion all those in favor say I I all those opposed motion carries all right okay now on this one since I want to read a lot into the record that summarizes our discussion I'll ask our attorneys this doesn't really on item four you want me to skip over item three no that the Mr Shipman was that that the things that Miss derer want to talk about will come in E4 correct okay good so item E3 DET I motion that we make a determination that uh this is in compliance with NRS 354 613 the Rena city council hereby finds that a fee increase is not prohibited by law a fee increase is necessary for the continuation expansion of the purpose for which the Enterprise fund is being created and that the fees that are deposited in the storm waterer utility Enterprise fund are to be used solely for the purpose for which the fees are collected all right so I have a motion do I have a second I have a second all those in favor say I I all those opposed all right that's to item E4 um did you read the bill number uh Mr attorney you read it when we started do you want to read it now I can go ahead and read it now this is Bill number 7255 ordinance introduction ordinance amending the Reno Municipal Code title 12 entitled Public Works and utilities chapter 12.17 storm water utility creating a storm water utility establishing the amount and basis for the storm water utility fee together with matters which pertain to or unnecessarily connected there with okay since there's been so much uh recommended change and evaluation that we want hear back from the staff I'm not going to motion to introduce an ordinance what I'm going to motion for is to have the Staff address the issues that I'm about to read and come back with a revised ordinance introduction okay all right so all right so I'm going to read the things in okay um it's so these are the things that were brought up that should be addressed some of them have great concurrence and some do not uh we should address uh the question about civil aircraft uh we should either staff should come back with a recommendation to either sunset this ordinance at a period of time or specify a review period or periods okay specific and unique to this um staff should address the issue about tiering we originally had three tiers we went to one tier the question is should we come back to a two tier at least uh to preference smaller units and give them a lower cost um there is a proposal to eliminate the cap on the credit program at least one person would like to do away with the credit program so you should uh come back with a proposal on the credit program in more depth that we can understand and either approve or not approve uh there's a proposal to cap the CIP or eliminate the CIP so staff should address that issue okay for just yeah uh CPI not CIP just make sure I I'm sorry you're right it says CIP on my page and I reversed it cap on the CIP or a li no I I was doing CPI that's what I intended to say okay so let me just be clear uh to cap the CPI or eliminate it entirely okay all right um there's been a proposal to reduce the fee um in exchange for not reducing the sewer fee so I'd like to see what that looks like so what others uh there's a question about the double Taxation and while we've addressed it numerous times and the staff have we should address it one more time in public we I heard that there was a general consensus to eliminate the education credit but to propose something else that would provide and I'm going to interpret this educational institutions and I'm going to say Andor other public facilities with yet a third uh tier to be discussed so we have a residential a non-residential and a public facility okay um there's a proposal to have a letter to uh both the county and a Western Regional Water Commission uh to Begin work on regionalization and specifically ask the are they going to come to the table with their own fee first and then I guess the Second Step would be to talk about regionalization that's our expectation from our partner and then in there there's a request to clarify what community means in the words in the ordinance and to potentially include developers and property that are not quote under the category community and there was a request and I support this where there is not clear consensus from your perspective to have us do some up and down votes so we can just move right through this when it comes to ordinance introduction and say I a or nay on each thing and we can see where Council stands those are all the ones did I forget anything I don't think so you did a good job okay all right so I have a motion from Council wador you have a second second I have a second any discussion yes I'm go ahead Council on breus yeah so you know the the the opening of the motion was to bring an ordinance forward for the next meeting not this well the you couldn't craft an ordinance with this much variability um and have dialogue on it so so what's your open way well I think these issues need to come forward and when these issues are resolved then the introduction can't I mean unless staff wants to you know to do an in ordinance introduction you have to have it in form that's correct and I just I didn't see mechanically what you're doing so I think I would recommend that you amend that ordinance to say you know that that you know votes on these outstanding issues to then give direction for crafting that sounds fine to me but yeah and then I really do feel on the on the cap I think we need to give them a number to work with I think we should give them the 9986 to work with on the dur duration because now you're saying just come back with whatever what is 986 do come at 980 cents 9 yeah 980 I know that number yeah so they're working from the 980 or might we see another number from your concept I think we're starting at 980 and and they may based on where they get propose a different number okay I guess I can support this I see 10 points to it um and with that Amendment okay I'm fine with that I'd like to hear from others to not bring back the ordinance go through all the issues at the next time and then councilman ree go ahead um I I think Miss brickus is correct that we are not going to be able to bring back as a a bill for referral at that time but so it'll have to come back to another general meeting where we'll discuss the storm water utility great I will say I'm not sure that needs to be like the first meeting in January in part because um look I don't necessarily want miss magon and miss Simpson spending the next six weeks of their lives while we're in the holidays uh worrying about every jot and tit of the things that we've said today so I just think it's artificial to say when it should come back I will leave it to the city manager to um and and Madame mayor to you to bring it back when it's appropriate I also think that may address some of my concerns that I have about uh some of our friends in the audience who have not had the opportunity to spend as much time uh with the um substance of it that they would have liked to have had um I ultimately my hope is that by the time we work through each of these 10 or 12 or 237 things that we've raised that we'll have people who line up to say yes we are supportive 100% let's go because again I come back to something very positive that was said at the top which is I did not hear anybody in the audience or even in email say we do not want this period what they've said is we acknowledge the necessity of what you're proposing we can make it better and ultimately that's what I think all of us are doing and I'll also say this to my colleagues um we sometimes have Divergence of opinions in this body but the discussion today has been incredibly gracious um there's been a lot of thoughtful collaborative approach and I don't think we often get the credit as a council for the work that we do because you know unfortunately you know if it bleeds it leads and it's a lot easier to make news when you're talking about you know people sniping at each other but on this issue we have been really gracious to one another so I thank all of you for that all right thank you any further comments so Madame mayor I would um amend the motion to delete the time frame of the first meeting in January and uh direct the manager to bring it back when it's ready for prime time in our discussion and then number two not to bring back an ordinance per se but rather uh discussion of the issues we've identified okay all right and I the seconder does it I think were you the seconder okay you're Happ second okay so a motion and a second all those in favor say I I all those opposed motion carries unanimously okay all right thank you Council mandor appreciate sure good job all right Madam clerk I'm going to send it back to you thank you Madame mayor we're moving on to item E5 Edward 5 which is an ordinance introduction to be read by the City attorney this is ordinance introduction bill number 7256 ordinance to amend title four of the Reno Municipal Code entitled business license code by creating chapter 4.08 entitled sidewalk vendors together with matters which pertain to or are necessarily connected there with so move wait no I I'd like I want a discussion on this one sure and uh Lance f a director business license for the record I have a couple slides that I can go over to explain what happened here this is something that we thought was going to adoption and it didn't so I think that explanation at least at minimum is worth discussion correct um as I said I'm back here today uh before you to bring the sidewalk ordinance which is originally introduced on November 15th and ultimately referred for a second reading and adoption in preparation for the second reading an error was discovered in the in the draft and staff was uh by I'm sorry was discovered by staff and it was deemed substantial enough to reintroduce the item uh as you know the word merchandise is used throughout the ordinance in one particular section merchandise was omitted and pulled into separate subsection this was a drafting error clerical in nature and does not change the original explanation of requirements it would however create an Enforcement issue based on how it was worded and as you can see there there's a red line where that is uh deleted from the the second section and word merchandise is entered into that top section secondly as a matter of coincidence uh during this time staff had conversations with Northern NADA Public Health who noted the ordin noted that the ordinance referred to the health department and not the health district in order to avoid any future discrepancies the title of Health authorities was used and this applicable section was condensed for clarity and as you can see there it was basically two paragraphs combined into one just to make it a little bit more concise and clear and then lastly I just wanted to touch on this uh Council had concerns last meeting with regard to special events and uh to clarify those vendors authorized by the promoter and properly permitted would be allowed to operate within special event any vendors operating outside of the realm of the permitted event would be subject to the standards of this new ordinance uh and as I said with that nothing else substantial or material has changed to the report that you read last time or to the presentation you received and so I'm happy to answer any questions or go through anything from the previous presentation thanks so much okay Council breus go ahead yeah and I I appreciate the um you know EXP exp why we it didn't go to adoption at our last or at this meeting CU I think two weeks in a row but um wasn't there something else that happened isn't there some Statewide committee meeting on this working on this uh I believe you're referring to the uh safe sidewalk vending task force the safe safe sidewalk bending task force that's correct and did they meet they have met a few times already Yes since our little blip with the they did meet one time after that yeah what's going on what what was the outcome of that that it was more updates they had two presentations one from the Northern Nevada health district and the Southern Nevada as well as myself and uh it's just more discussion purposes on where everybody's at what are the requirements how can they make things better going forward um it's my understanding they'll be meeting on a I believe it's a monthly basis maybe it's a quarterly basis but uh as it kicks up they've they've met multiple times already and there's still we're still ahead even with our little holdup here we're still the first ones out to shoot with an ordinance I believe there are a couple other that are underway right now I don't know that anybody's actually AFF effectuated one or adopted one but it's coming into into that time period okay I mean I'm going to submit to the council again that you know this was an issue that came up out of Vegas and you know still going on no one is out of Vegas has put their ordinance in place I understand there's still a task force meeting you know we don't there's no prize for being first and what it does is it addresses quite substantially a non-issue in Reno which is gets all these cart vendors out of downtown because of the spacing I mean I just I I think we just hold and wait there's a task force hopefully you're you know we've never had any documented problems with these vendors in downtown and now that you know it's it's the ordinance the state law was called like helping small vendors you know the title of it and how does it help small vendors to tell them no you can't come to downtown Reno so you're you know bending up in neighborhoods it's it's just I think we just you know let's just we can take a pass on this it's not a burning issue if I may the uh the bill was passed and the law will be effective January 1st Statewide so there are certain Provisions in the state law that we have to abide by uh the task force will continue to meet but their job is to solely gather information and recommend back to the legislature so nothing in that law will change till minimum the 2025 session but even if it goes in on the first you know it doesn't put a vendor in the position of you know having to be not in downtown and I I just think that we don't need the prize of being first on a non- Reno issue that has substantive impacts I think this was Statewide legislation that really went counter to um a Reno need and so I think we just take a pass I'm not yeah I well my motion is no motion my motion is just to move on from this item right now that's how I would do it okay I think that's the best practice anyone else want to weigh in on this discussion go ahead councilwoman dur no no no okay well then let's just pass I I do agree I honestly think you know this was really to me from what I understand stood was Southern Nevada Centric and they were really having a lot of issues with it I see someone in our Gallery shaking his head um I also believe you know I like the sidewalk vendors I think um it's important it sort of adds some arts and culture and makes very very the smallest the smallest entrepreneurs uh you know have a place to be and we don't have that issue that southern has we you know so I really and we're always trying to be business friendly and you know so like I do think that the sense a really bad message I just do I don't I don't like it um now I do also want to say I get there's some issues in the sense because I have heard this before like maybe it's food and there's issues with um the health department now that could be very problematic obviously they're serving food that could be contaminated or whatever right like I get that stuff so maybe Lance help us get there like what does this look like for you how yeah so as you said trying to create an environment where these are where it's a where it's a business that people can actually participate in we're actually lowering the barriers we're making this if we don't move on this today we're continuing to make this a privileged license which requires a background check assignment locations public hearings excuse me the implementation of the new chapter will make this much easier for small businesses to operate and it's actually it's making it's lowering the berrier sty day thank you for explaining that because that's a whole other thing that businesses have to stop their day they have to start over and do that whole thing I know from firsthand experience so I'm glad that you brought that up so then I completely agree with you if we're taking down barriers for small business I think that's the direction we need to go so Madame mayor if I make comment I have been working on this at the health district for the entirety of its proposed introduction by Senators um donate and Flores in the Carson City legislature and and of course the health district has a very specific rationale for their in unique involvement I will say that this bill and the related work that Mr Fado's office has done have been supported by make the road Nevada and a number of the other um Hispanic related Community forums and political organizing groups because it does lower entry and barrier and access it makes it better for folks to be able to conduct the sidewalk vending that they wish to do but that also provides guard rails for making that safer so your um your point is well taken that we want to make sure that people are successful and that small businesses and these are kind of the smallest small business um other I suppose if you're working out of your h house selling Etsy items or something like that but these really are um good and valid things uh it is okay for us to have been out in front Mr Fado has been working very hard on it this is something that we should support and I would not be inclined to support Miss breus as pass uh it's the time to do this is now before the roll out in January and again I find it very curious to um have the groups that have come before of us for us like make the road Nevada who have said we support this the work that you're doing is Meaningful and is the correct direction you're the gold standard and you're you know Lance your office is often the gold standard Mr Fado for what we should be doing you've often uh worked hard to get out ahead of some of these things so I am supportive of the uh introduction that you've made today um okay anyone else no okay you just need a motion that's right okay motion move toer second right Madame mayor go ahead wait um I have a motion I have a second councilman breus go ahead yeah I'm still not going to support I mean what's the use of enabling uh you know some some more streamline if the center of where you can do the business has been highly restricted and I'll refer y'all to you know 4. 08.03 prohibited acts with a license sub a through d and a is pretty substantial 1500 ft of a resort hotel an event facility with a seating capacity of 20,000 people and is constructed to accommodate a minor league sports team that gets other parts of downtown that are kind of far away from the casinos a convention facility I mean really these people are just going to be in neighborhoods a Medan of Highway you know we I think we have that in other ordinances so um you know I just I'm not going to support it um you know maybe they and I don't and I think all the health and health items for the food is covered under any other regulations this just really puts these folks out of foot traffic all right thank you thank you so much supp all right so I have goad I do have a quick comment I I too don't get this we we identified this last time that rather than it seems like rather than helping small businesses we're actually restricting where they can work the these vendors I mean is that your assessment too if you mapped this out and oh absolutely uh the the area that they're able to operate downtown is prohibitive um and again that's out of our control that was that was passed at the state legislature and our hands are tied on right but what about the issue about the convention center and other that's all state law yeah I mean honestly our hands are tied too so right I mean we might not agree with that I think councilman breus has some good points then I also you know you can't have it both ways but also a lot of this is not something that we can control so but I do want less regulations for them you know the things that are really tough and all these things that we want to change we have no ability to do so now maybe if you get elected you might be able to do do something for us okay commercial um but do we then even want to adopt an ordinance right now like maybe we should be silent on this until I mean are we given a time frame for adopting this ordinance I mean I voted to do this before if I might explain a little bit more so if we don't act today yeah it remains a privileged licensed where background checks are required for small business let me just tell you I'm going through this right now it is ridiculous I cannot begin to tell you if you own a business anyone up here if you own a business you will understand how ridiculous that is and it takes a long time to do doesn't it and and also you can go through it a few times I'm I'm just saying you know um so it's ridiculous may I ask him a question go go right ahead how many cart vendors do we have licensed zero I mean so chances are you know maybe we'll have zero between now and when the legislature thinks about making some changes to this I mean you know what it is is it puts someone in a position of having more regulations on them where they are and suitable to you know enforcement whether it's a code officer or someone else I let's just take a pause and see how others so here's the thing I think small business they they're much happier knowing what their parameters are where they can be where they can't be versus the regulations that we put on them right and a lot of them are incredibly Antiquated and regardless of what happens today if you pass or you don't pass this or move this on those regulations will still be applied Statewide yeah so they will not be able to operate there regardless of what happens today you can like it you can not like it all day long say love all right so I have a motion and a second all those in favor say I all those postos motion carries thank Youk you thanks Lance all right moving right along Madam clerk take it away we're moving on to item E6 which is a bill introduction to be read by the City attorney all right bill number 7257 ordinance to amend title five of the Reno Municipal Code entitled privileged licenses permits and franchises by repealing chapter 5.15 entitled sidewalk vendors together with matters which pertain to or are necessarily connected therewith okay thank you um at this time I'm going to just ask do we have any public comment Madam clerk thank you madam mayor we do not have any public comment and have not re I have a motion from councilman Reese a second from Council Taylor all those in favor say I I all those opposed motion carries all right Madam clerk item we're moving on to item H1 or h city council comments all right any comments from the body go ahead councilwoman dur well I have an amazing announcement um okay give us an amazing announcement okay council member Reese and I'm sorry council member Martinez and I participated in the last Friday's flood board meeting and at that meeting we did two amazing things one we approved in concept A $17 million agreement with the Pyramid Lake pyute tribe uh to cover mitigation from the impacts of the up flood project this is significant this is the first time in over in 20 years that we've been able to come to concurrence with the tribe to allow our project to go forward so that they will not be um objecting at every minute thinking that they are uh being impacted or hurt they have will have the money if this goes through to address the impacts number two which is very exciting um we agreed to move forward with design of the living River plan the project on Mill and McCarron that would include uh new flood levies on the North Bank for Sparks on the South Bank for Reno and in between a restored River and in between a brand new park that would include uh Rec new recreation areas new flat fields and potentially more this we have moved forward on many other projects in the flood project I'll just recap a few few very highlights North trucky drain the Rea Sparks Indian colony Levy the Virginia Street Bridge the wasow county home elevation project four restored Wetland areas Downstream between here and uh uh the 102 Ranch uh Mustang Ranch down by um the trick turnoff so we've done a lot we spent a lot of money this is considered the centerpiece of the project and should be a cause for Celebration by everyone uh when I had the opportunity to make the motion I actually found myself welling up with tears I couldn't believe we're at this day and after I reflected on it after the meeting was over I actually might have broken down into sobs because this has been so long coming and our community has begged for this and here we are we're doing it and council member Martinez might have something to add I don't know but it's a worthy of celebration for sure all right thank you so much I that is amazing it is amazing I know you are incredibly proud but and um it was also something we never thought we would ever I wasn't sure we with G here right so good job okay anyone else seeing there is um no further comments let's send it back to Madame clerk thank you Madame mayor we're going to move on to item J which is closing public comment Elliot Mullen okay come on over Elliot nice to see you good to see you you as well good to see all of you I think I know all of you at this point in time good afternoon uh Elliot M for the record uh that's an old habit um I'm here in a different capacity today I'm here as a Jewish Reno white and a board member for Jewish Nevada uh last week you all passed a $500 Grant to Jewish Nevada and I want to thank all of you for that uh Jewish Nevada what we do here is provide services for our Jewish community throughout our state for security because anti-Semitism up is up 400% in America anti-semitic hate crimes are up 400% in America and our community is not immune from that uh we do programming for continuity of Jewish life and yes Jewish Community is very connected to the state of Israel and for the last 68 days the Reno Jewish Community has been struggling it has been hard for us and I want to thank all of you that have shown up for the our Jewish Community but I'm also extremely dismayed by this agenda item being pulled last week pulled to attack Israel uh under the idea of what proportionality is proportionality under the law is the idea where you measure the Strategic Benefit from a milit a legitimate military Target and the collateral cost of that war is a horrific thing we should all be horrified by War and I I want to say this too we should want as many innocent Palestinians to be saved that is a good thing we the Jewish community did not start this war Israel did not start this war it started because Hamas acted with the intent to destroy in whole or in part Israelis from the Gaza envelope region of Israel that is the definition of genocide that is why we are here and again this community is not immune from that the Reno Community myself I know people who have been taken hostage I know people who were slaughtered we have other community members who are in the same boat I know another Reno white here that's Jewish that has two cousins still being held hostage in Gaza and while I I address this I'm really here to talk about Jewish Nevada and how how reprehensible it was to me to see this agenda item pulled to attack Israel Jewish Nevada is here to support Jewish nevadans Jewish renoit we we get funding for security because again it's dangerous to be Jewish here I can't go to Temple and pray without armed security or RPD to show up we've had three events at the very least a vigil a hostage table to raise awareness about the hostages and the manor lighting um councilman derer you did a great job there um and I it's dismay I'm dismayed by not seeing the support from everybody um we do give funds to Israel we did yeah um we raise money for trauma senders Psychological Services uh the families of those that were taken hostage we have a sister Community from Nevada in Israel um that lost people in the attack and we sent services and support for them because that's what they we do and that was all civilians this is it's not about funding a war it's about supporting people and all people so thank you thank you Elliot very thank you Elliot very very powerful and I um am so sorry so I want to apologize uh for that personally because it is really unfortunate and you have been an incredible Community member activist um all the way around for a lot of causes and I'm I'm proud to know you and proud that you are part of this community so thank you my friend good job Madame mayor I was um here last week and and when Miss Ebert made her gracious uh donation and and I was a bit stunned by what happened and so I'm going to ask my staff to commit an additional thousand to um Jewish Nevada and they'll bring that back in a resolution format yeah thank you and I'm happy to do the same I'm happy to do the same I guess we just want you to know how much we support you so thank you madam mayor our final public comment today is Bill shrimp oh come on up Bill hi I just want to say and I don't mean to be patronizing I'm very proud of my city council today I'm very happy with the deliberation the smart good questions that everybody asked it was clean it was civil it was polite thank you so much um you made yourselves and me look good today so thank you uh go home and enjoy the meteor shower tonight have a good day that's right that's right exactly thanks Bill for letting us know really appreciate it thanks for being here all right all right Madame mayor with that we have no additional live uh public comment we do not have any hands raised in Zoom for the record I would like to state that we did receive five comments after 4M yesterday which were either General in nature um or received after 4M these have been distributed to the Reno city council there were three letters of support and two letters of concern and with that we're closing general public comment and we are moving into item K motion to adjourn all right thank you so much so I have a motion in a second all those in favor say I I all those opposed motion carries thanks everyone for a great day out there