PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APRIL 3, 2023 >> Chair Downs: OKAY. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR TURNING MY MIC ON. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE THIS EVENING. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE A SHORT MEETING. W TOLD ALREADY BY SOMEBODY THAT THERE'S A TIPOFF TONIGHT FOR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. SO ANYWAY. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] >> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES MINUTES ITE OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NE. >> Chair Downs: DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. PLEASE MOVE TO CONSENT. >> CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTRO ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF. >> Chair Downs: DOES ANYONE WANT TO PULL AN ITEM FROM CONSENT? >> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. PLEASE VOTE. AND WE NEED VOTES -- THERE WE GO. SO THAT CARRIES BY A VOTE OF 7-0. PLEASE LET THE RECORD NOTE THAT MR. CARY WAS UNABLE TO JOIN US AND TONIGHT WE WELCOME, FINALLY, OUR NEW COMMISSIONER, MR. LISLE. MOVING ON. >> ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSID PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS: UNLESS INSTRUCTED OTHERWISE BY THE CHAIR, SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER REGISTRATIONS ARE RECEIVED. APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES OF PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL, IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME, WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIO LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY, EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL AGENDA ITEM NO. 1. PUBLIC HEARING - REPLAT: BILLINGSLEY OFFICE BUILDING ADDITION, BLOCK B, LOTS 2R, 3R, AND 4 - P GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE ON THREE LOTS ON 21.5 ACRES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF PLANO PARKWAY, 1,630 FEET SOUTH OF PARK BOULEVARD. ZONED REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT. APPLICANT: IBP18 LAND, LTD. AND IBP17 LAND, LTD. THIS ITEM IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERA. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I'M RAHA POULADI, THE PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REPLAT AS SUBMITTED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ITEM 1? THANK YOU. SEEING NONE, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. >> I MOVE WE APPROVE THIS AS SUBMITTED. >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY TO APPROVE ITEM 1 AS SUBMITTED. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM 1 CARRIES BY A VOTE OF 7-0. ITEM 2. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 2. PUBLIC HEARING - REPLAT: PLANO/544 BUSINESS PARK ADDITION, BLOCK A, LOT 4R - MINIWAREHOUSE AND PROFESSIONAL/ GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE ON ONE LOT ON 5.8 ACRES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF CHARLES STREET, 519 FEET SOUTH OF PLANO PARKWAY. ZONED GHT MMERAL APPLICANT: ALL STORAGE PLANO PARKWAY LLC. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS DONNA SEPULVEDA, SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS ITEM IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND I'M HPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. CONFINE THE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. COME ON, MR. LISLE, A MOTION HERE. >> I MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: ALL RIGHT. SO WE'VE NOW INITIATED MR. LISLE WHO HAS MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE. ITEM 2 IS SUBMITTED WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. PLEASE VOTE. GOT TO LEARN THE BUTTONS. THAT ITEM CARRIES 7-0. WE'LL GET YOU BROKE IN. >> NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS: THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY, AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT. AGENDA ITEM NO. 3. DISCUSSION AND ACTION: C FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP, BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION PLAN MAP, FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND OTHER RELATED SECTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021 SOCIED WH AN ONGOING UPDATE OF THE PARKS, RECREATION, TRAILS AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN. APPLICANT: CITY OF PLANO. THIS IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MIRIAM, PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT . THIS ITEM IS A REQUEST TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE UPDATE OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS WORKING TO UPDATE THE CITY'S PARK, RECREATION, TRAS, AND OPEN SPACE MASTER PLAN, ALSO KNOWN AS THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. THIS DOCUMENT IS THE DEPARTMENT'S LONG-TERM ACTION PLAN THAT PROVIDES GUIDANCE TO THE DEPARTMENT, ESTABLISHES GOALS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, AND BOTH EXISTING AND FUTURE FACILITIES. THE LAST MAJOR UPDATE WAS ADOPTED IN 2018 AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT ENGAGED HAFF ASSOCIATED IN 2022 TO SUPPORT THE DEPARTMENT WI ITS UPDATE. THIS WILL INCLUDE THE MASTER PLAN MAP AND BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN . ACTION 1 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN'S PARKS AND RECREATION POLICY IS TO IMPLEMENT THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN AND UPDATE THE PLAN EVERY FIVE YEARS. THE CURRENT UPDATE IS IN LINE WITH THE DIRECTION PROVIDED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TONIGHT WE ARE REQUESTING A CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE ASSOCIATED SECTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ONGOING UPDATE OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. SO AS MENTIONED, TONIGHT WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST A CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING. THE PUBLIC REVIEW AND OUTREACH PERIOD WILL BE THROUGH APRIL 2023 AND THE DRAFT OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN IS AVAILABLE ONLINE ON THE DEPARTMENT'S WEBSITE AND WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND COMMENT THROUGH APRIL 22. THE PARKS AND RECREATION STAFF WILL RETURN ON MAY 15th TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION AND ANSWER ANY QSTIO THAT YOU MAY HAVE. AND THEN WE PLAN TO RETURN IN JUNE OF 2023, SO THIS COMING JUNE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION CALL A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES AS PRESENTED. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE JUST CALLING A PUBLIC HEARING. THERE'S NO DATE-SPECIFIC. THAT WILL BE DETERMINED AT A LATER TIME? >> CORRECT. OLLEY.ir Downs: COMMISSIONER Olley: JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON THE TIMELINE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, OR FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH. IS IT JUST THE MONTH OF APRIL OR IS IT STARTING APRIL TO MAY 15? >> [OFF MIC] YOU KNOW ADDRESSING ANY OF THOSE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. >> Olley: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYONE WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS? >> WE DO NOTAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: I MOVE WE CALL A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS AMENDMENT USING THE PARKS MASTER PLAN MAP AND BICYCLE TRANSPORTATION MAP AND OTHER RELATED SECTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >> Chair Downs: GOOD ENOUGH. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING, SUBJECT TO THE INFORMATION IN THE ITEM, NO. 3. WE'LL GET A SECOND BY MMISSIONERATLIFF. AND PLEASE VOTE. >> Chair Downs: MR. LISLE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 7-0. ITEM 4. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 4. DISCUSSION AND ACTION: CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021 TO INCORPORATE ONGOING DEPARTMENT- STRATEGIES AND MORE PRACTICAL G APPLICANT: CITY OF PLANO. IT'S FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER. EVAN GARCIA, PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS ITEM IS A REQUEST TO CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FACILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY. THE FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY DIRECTS THE CITY TO STRATEGICALLY PLAN AND IMPLEMENT IMPROVEMENTS TO CITY FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE TO ENSURE THE NECESSARY NEEDS AND SERVICES ARE PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS DONE LARGELY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND PROJECTS ARE FUNDED AND PRIORITIZED BY THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PROGRAM. IN FAST-GROWING COMMUNITIES THE MAPS DRIVE THE CIP TO LAY THE FOUNDATION FOR GROWTH, BUT AS WE HAVE LESS AND LESS UNDEVELOPED LAND, MOST OF PLANO'S INFRASTRUCTURE NETWORK IS BUILT OUT. THE MAJORITY OF CIP PROJECTS ARE BASED ON MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR OF EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE WOULD LIKE TO ORIENT THIS POLICY TO REFLECT THE DEPARTMENT'S STRATEGIC GOALS AND PRIORITY-DRIVEN NEW IMPROVEMENTS AND ADDITIONS. EACH YEAR IT'S THE COMMISSION'S ROLE TO REVIEW THE CIP TO CONFIRM ALIGNMENT WITH THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL INCLUDE ONGOING STRATEGIES, MORE PRACTICAL GUIDANCE, AND INCREASED TRANSPARENCY. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION CALL A PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WITH THAT, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I KNOW WHEN WE WENT THROUGH OUR SUBCOMMITTEE PROCESS LATE LAST YEAR, THEACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE WAS ONE OF THOSE POLICIES THAT WE WERE LIKE, THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE RIGHT AWAY. SO I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS COMING FORWARD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER BROUNOFF. >> Brounoff: YES. DO YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF POSTING A PUBLC COMMENT ON THIS OR DO YOU JUST CALL A HEARING IMMEDIATELY? >> WE WILL BE POSTING A NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE WILL BE HOPING TO RECEIVE FEEDBACK THROUGH THAT PROCESS. Brounoff: DO YOU HAVEN APPROXIMATE TIMELINE? >> WE ARE TARGETING TO BRING THIS BACK EARLY SUMMER, SUMMERTIME. >> Brounoff: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: THIS SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE NOT JUST TARGETING FI1, THE POLICY THAT REQUIRES US TO UPDATE THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS . WE ARE TRYING TO DO IT A LITTLE BIT BROADER TO LOOK THROUGH THE OTHER SUBORDINATE POLICIES AND IMPLEMENT BEST PRACTICES. AM I READING THE ASK CORRECTLY OR IS THIS JUST SP WITH RESPECT TO HAVE IT UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS PART OF THE CIP? >> THIS IS REGARDING NOT JUST FY 1 BUT THE ENTIRE FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE POLICY . >> Chair Downs: DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, MR. OLLEY? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS OR ANYBODY ON THIS? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION WE HAD ABOUT THIS AND I WANT TO SAY I'M REALLY EXCITED TO KNOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON THIS BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE, AS YOU SAID, IT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT THAT THIS GETS UPDATED. I MAKE A MOTION WE CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY TO CALL A PUBLIC HEARING. ACCORDING TO INFORMATION IN ITEM 4. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 7-0. ITEM 5 WILL BE ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDA. ANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT? MR. BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: I DO. AFTER WE HAD THE LAST MEETING, I HAD ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT MITIGATION FOR EHA AREAS AND TO ME IT SEEMS A LITTLE ANTIQUATED THAT DISTANCE WAS THE ONLY ANSWER. SO I'D LIKE TO PLACE ON THE AGENDA SOME DISCUSSION IN LOOKING INTO OTHER TECHNIQUES BEYOND JUST DISTANCE FOR MITIGATION OF EHA AREAS. >> Chair Downs: SO LET ME ASK A QUESTION, ONLY BECAUSE FIRST I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU. I WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED WHEN WE WERE TOLD FROM THE LECTERN THAT WE HAD MEASURED IT BY DISTANCE, NOT BY PARTICULATE MATTER. PARTICULATE MATTER MEASUREMENTS HAS BEEN SOMETHING FOR A LONG TIME. I THINK IT'S WORTH GETTING AN UPDATE FROM THEM ON WHY DO WE NOT USE A PARTICULATE RATING AS A GUIDE, IF THERE'S SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THAT OR SOMETHING RELATED TO ZONING. I DON'T KNOW. SO I THINK WE WANT TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. SO RATHER THAN JUST, HEY, TALK TO US ABOUT EHA MEASUREMENTS, CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC? >> Bronsky: OTHER MITIGATION TECHNIQUES THAT COULD BE USED. I'M NOT ONLY SAYING -- >> Chair Downs: MITIGATION TECHNIQUES OR DO YOU WANT TO FIRST START WITH WHEN DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A MITIGATION TECHNIQUE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT WOULD TRIGGER THE NEED FOR MITIGATION, OTHER THAN DISTANCE. COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: TELL ME IF I'M IN ALIGNMENT. ESPECIALLY SINCE WE ARE GOING TO BE SEEING MORE AND MORE, I BELIEVE, REQUESTS FOR RESIDENTIAL USING EHA-2 THAT WHY DO WE NOT HAVE A STUDY OF SOME KIND THAT SHOWS MITIGATION FOR INTERNAL AIR QUALITY? WE HAVE NOISE BUT INTERNAL AIR QUALITY, WHY WE DON'T HAVE THAT AND WHAT PARTICULAR MITIGATION MEASURES COULD WE ADD TO THE ORDINANCE FOR EHA-2 THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY COST PROHIBITIVE. I THINK THERE PROBABLY SHOULD BE SOME COST PROHIBITION FOR THAT, BUT WHAT IS THE BUSINESS CASE BEHIND WHY WE DON'T HAVE IT AND IF THERE'S SOME WAY WE COULD IMPOSE A HIGHER THRESHOLD IN ORDER TO DISCOURAGE OR ENCOURAGE, IT DEPENDS ON HOW WE LOOK AT IT. >> Chair Downs: SO WE COULD GET MORE SPECIFIC, I THINK, IN OUR DIRECTION TO STAFF. TRYING TO DO.'M ULTIMATELY AND IT MIGHT BE -- AND MR. BELL, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE -- BUT REAL CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS WOULD BE -- WE ORDINANCE SURROUNDING NON-NOISE-RELATED HEALTH ISSUES IN EHA-2 AND EHA 1 AREAS, MITIGATION METHODS, AND HOW WE MIGHT ADOPT OUR ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE BETTER GUIDANCE FOR DEVELOPERS AND FOR THE COMMISSION WHEN MAKING DECISIONS. IS THAT KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE HEADED, MR. RATLIFF? >> Ratliff: ASK ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION. NOT JUST MITIGATION MEASURES BUT MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS. THE CASE FROM LAST MEETING ABOUT THE ELEVATED FREEWAY VERSUS AN AT-GRADE FREEWAY MAY GENERATE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS. >> Chair Downs: THE BOTTOM LINE, I THINK STAFF GETS THIS, IS WE WANT SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE CLEAR THAN DISTANCE WHEN IT COMES TO AIR QUALITY. TALKING ABOUT AIR QUALITY VERSUS NOISE. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE OFFERING OPPORTUNITIES FOR -- OR AT LEAST CONSIDERING THE DIFFERENT MITIGATION TECHNIQUES BEYOND DISTANCE THAT MAY BE A LITTLE MORE CUTTING EDGE, MAY BE A LITTLE MORE CREATIVE AND MAY NOT BE COST PROHIBITIVE BUT MAY BE MORE BENEFICIAL, EVEN. >> Chair Downs: SO YOU'RE TALKING STILL ABOUT THE NOISE, THOUGH. I THINK YOU BROUGHT THIS UP AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE SOUND WAVES BEING OPPOSITE. >> Bronsky: MORE SO THE AIR QUALITY BUT I WOULD BE CURIOUS. FRANKLY, AS I'VE SAID, I THINK PARKING GARAGES ARE A TERRIBLE VIEW OF O CITY AND USING PARKING GARAGES AS THE MITIGATION FOR APARTMENTS, I THINK WE COULD DO BETTER. WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT DOWN THE NORTH DALLAS TOLLWAY WHERE WE HAD FACADE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE OF, WELL -- WELL, THE FACADE REQUIREMENTS THAT IT WAS A HISTORICAL AREA OR WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE SEE WHEN THEY'RE DRIVING THROUGH OUR CITY, I DON'T THINK PARKING GARAGES ARE THE BEST EXAMPLE OF THAT AND I THINK THERE ARE OTHER TECHNIQUES THAT CAN BE USED BEYOND THOSE AND I JUST AM CONCERNED THAT WE'RE NOT OFFERING THOSE OPTIONS AS WELL. BUT MOSTLY I'M TALKING ABOUT THE AIR QUALITY. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. YES SIR. >> WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING SOMETHING BACK. I WANT TO CAUTION THAT PLANNERS, ACOUSTICS OR AIR QUALITY, WE HAD A CONSULTANT WHO PREPARED THE ORIGINAL ORDINCE IF WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL, WE PROBABLY NEED TO BRING A CONSULTANT BACK. I THINK WE CAN GIVE AN OUTLINE AS TO THE FIRST PHASE. >> Chair Downs: IF YOU WANT TO GO FURTHER THAN THIS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT. WE DON'T HAVE THE PURSE STRINGS BUT COUNCIL COULD. WE CAN ALWAYS, FROM THE COMMISSION, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL THAT THEY CONSIDER HIRING A CONSULTANT TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. WE JUST CAN'T DECIDE -- WE CAN'T TELL STAFF GO HIRE A CONSULTANT. SO MR. BELL, I'M SURE YOU'RE PRTY CLE WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM. WE HAVE AN AIR QUALITY CONCERN THAT WE'RE NOT SPECIFIC ENOUGH IN OUR ORDINANCE AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE, WHICH IS SHOULD WE BE MORE RESTRICTIVE IN OUR MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO NOISE, FOR EXAMPLE. >> THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: ARE WE PRETTY CLEAR? IS THERE ANYONE WHO DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION? YES. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY EVEN IF IT'S JUST GOING BACK TO THE LAST TIME THAT THE CONSULTANT DID PRESENT SOMETHING, I WOULD GO BACK AND WATCH WHAT WAS PRESENTED AT THAT TIME, JUST TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. AND EN I'VE SEEN THE CITY OF PLANO LOOK AT WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IN DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES. WHEN I DRIVE OUR HIGHWAYS AND I LOOK AT OTHER FOLKS AND THEY'RE NOT DOING IT THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT. EITHER THEY KNOW SOMETHING WE DON'T OR WE KNOW SOMETHING THEY DON'T. THAT'S A GOOD REASON FOR THIS CONVERSATION. >> Chair Downs: HISTORICALLY STAFF HAS ALWAYS DONE KIND OF A SURVEY OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING . I DO KNOW THERE'S SOME AREAS WHERE -- WL, FOR EXAMPLE, THEIR IDEA OF MITIGATION IS NOT AS ROBUST AS OURS, FOR EXAMPLE. THEY HAVE LOWER STANDARDS SO IT MAY LOOK DIFFERENT IN THEIR CITY. BUT LET'S -- >> YEAH, I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHEN THE LAST ONE WAS DONE AS WELL SO WHEN THEY BRING THAT FORWARD, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES OVER TIME SO -- >> Chair Downs: I THINK THE FIRST THING WOULD BE FOR STAFF TO GIVE US A REPORT ON OUR ORDINANCE RELATED TO PARTICULATES AND THE NOISE. IS ANYONE SITTING HERE THAT WAS PART OF WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THE EHA STUDY? ANYONE SITTING ON COMMISSION? I MIGHT HAVE BEEN ON COUNCIL WHEN THAT WAS DONE. I DON'T REMEMBER. 2018? MAYBE I WAS -- I MIGHT HAVE BEEN JUST BACK ON P&Z THEN. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO GET AN UPDATE AND MAYBE FROM THERE WE CAN ACTUALLY GIVE A LITTLE MORE CLEAR DIRECTION. >> Bronsky: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: ABSOLUTELY. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. YOU HAVE YOUR QUASI CLEAR MARCHING ORDERS ON THAT? SORRY. NOT MARCHING ORDERS. REQUESTS. STAFF'S GREAT. WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED AT THANK YOU. [MEETING ADJOURNED]