we're all here for you not you can leave so bear with us a little bit it's been a while since I've run a meeting and it's been a while since we've I've been in quite a while here so first step is roll call going down the line here Michael Costello John Beckett deep Thompson Jimmy Tremec Jed Macintosh Kristen this winter around attendance and Dave Thompson will be leaving at 8 o'clock tonight a little bit early and we want to bring nominate Michael as a voting member tonight I'll make a motion all those in favor all right you're in congratulations all right next item is acceptance of the agenda all those in favor accepted all right approval of minutes may 15th I move we accept the minutes favor so I can't it was I think everyone else can vote is for enough yes okay good yeah all right we have two items under new business the first is a minor site plan review application by the or no paddlers to locate a canoe storage structure at Bally's Park so the first step in this process why don't you come on up and tell us all about it Jeff yep to the microphone please so my name is Eric gallant professor at the University of Maine and vice president of the oh no partners so oral paddlers is an organization of community members that started in 2015 and our primary mission is to promote paddling sports in the community so getting people out on our rivers both recreationally and racing and one of the most popular events that we started right off was a Thursday night sort of community racing fun racing series where we would bring in these war canoes that the Penobscot River Keepers have and then other people would bring their boats and we've just get lots of family friends people paddling out on the river doing fun races or kids races things like this those what we're proposing is to build a timber framed canoe storage building it would be not really a building but an open-sided structure so it'd be opened on all sides constructed out of timber frame with cedar shake roofs with a cedar shake roof that would be tucked back in the corner as you walk down the path to get to Browns Beach the reason to do this is that these large boats that we use that are so effective at getting beginning beginning paddlers out are incredibly heavy it takes you know eight of us on each side to move these things up and down and by having something that can store these larger boats we would be able to do programs with much fewer number of adults presence fewer people to get these boats down to the river and I'm back it just make the whole thing way more convenient we've had on these Thursday night series we've had as many as I would say 65 or 70 people participating so five or six full war canoes and as well as a dozen or more tandem boats and single boats so it's been a really awesome way to connect you know bring you know University students out members of the community and we want to expand that program we think it's a great way to introduce people to the river by getting them in these big boats you can get two or three or no toddlers people that know how to navigate them and then you basically give the other people paddles and lifejackets and you can bring your whole team from work or a team from there a group of people from Dirigo Pines or a group of school kids and it gets people out enjoying our our waterways so that's pretty much the overview you know the the idea is to try to facilitate something so that the volunteers in our organization can make this happen more often something that would be beautiful along the river so you know we're not looking to just put up a 2x6 set of boards you know we want you know we're gonna raise money till we can afford to do something that looks nice so we've got plant the plans we submitted were a timber frame with a shake roof so yeah that's all right the next step is we're gonna actually up I'll give us a summary okay so we're done with you for now but we'll might call you back up sure so diving into just expanding off of kind of the purpose from the paddlers perspective to the purpose from the town's perspective there is a license agreement reached between the town and the paddlers that gave the paddlers permission to operate the canoe storage at brownies Park it wasn't really location specific but the council identified that the comprehensive plan one of the recommendations in the plan was that we use the rivers in town for recreational facilities more and have more opportunities like that so the Town Council saw this as an opportunity to create an agreement with the paddlers and then gave them a right title or interest which is a you know condition of site plan approval as the appellee needs right title or interest to use the property so it's a revocable license agreement either party can you know opt out of it at any time with proper notice but it allows the paddlers to operate as long as they you know maintain the structure you know in the correct fashion so that decision was made a couple months ago so then moving forward you know with our kind of you know what we're looking at tonight is whether or not the structure in the proposed location meets all the conditions and standards and zoning requirements laid out in the ordinance so kind of first you know just to run through the report and kind of touch on some highlights the structure itself would be considered an accessory structure to a recreational facility if you go by our normal land use table if you look at the shore lands owned land uses because this property is a lot is within the medium density residential zoning district but it's also within the limited residential district of the shoreland zone it's you know considered a recreational facility with a minor structure or something to that effect in the shore land zone in both cases it requires site plan review but it is an allowable use the structure would be you know roughly four hundred thirty-two square feet you know open structure as mentioned before the town has so the location of it would be sort in between and behind the existing monument and large tree already at the park in area that was previously kind of unmaintained by the town so I think for some time coming the town had already been preparing to sort of clear out this area to make it more usable and accessible as a part of the park so some of that work has already been done just for you know as you know part of the town's plan anyway so but this you know structure would then slot into that area you know where some of that clearing has been done moving on to you know the dimensional standards the you know the park the lot is nearly four acres so we more than meets the minimum lot size of 20,000 square feet it has more than enough road frontage and the structure would meet all the setbacks of the medium density residential district the one big thing to look at with this is because it's in the shoreland zone the structure has to be 75 feet back from the normal high water line which it is I believe they'd paddlers marked on the plan that it would be 84 feet back from the from the river there are no prominent wetlands or vernal pools or other natural features right in that area that would be of concern you know in fact our Parks and Rec directors here you know noted that it would actually help aid in the removal of invasive plant species that have been there so again kind of the project kind of goes into helping something a situation that the town probably would have had to do to begin with from a drainage and erosion control aspect there isn't you know the area there is mostly level so and some of the clearing has already been done so a lot of that work don't have to have to be done before the structure is put up Rob York so the public works director you know commented that there's no there's no prominent issues with any training or runoff becoming more of a problem because of the structure being put in as far as lighting and signage goes the applicant didn't make any proposals to add in anything like that there would be no utility usage it's a pretty minor impact outside of just placing the structure itself as far as traffic and parking you know paddlers already run various programs there you know there's the existing parking area and obviously it's a public you know recreational facility at any time any number of people could be there for any sort of defense so there's but there's no um you know there's really no proposed use here that would add any more traffic or negative impacts from that regard that already exists I think that pretty much summarizes everything enough for any questions or thoughts yeah thanks Kyle yep so now will comments questions and Award for Eric Kyle yeah I think this is a very good step forward it gets tolling outside away from computers the average person in this country spends eleven and a half hours a day looking at the screen so anything like this that gets a lot of it out there thank you very good I have four can lose myself on it you know using them for probably 50 years and I really think this is a great thing to do I'm fully behind it can you if you could go to that please thank you yeah so the question is are we worried about vandalism and yeah I don't I mean I think that's just part of putting doing something out in the public we I will comment we sort of started this project back in 2016 I just found my daughter's first rendition that we gave to the city manager you know and so we then had to raise money to get insurance and anyways we're quite committed to trying to make this work so we have you know volunteers and resources within our budget to handle those sorts of repairs so I don't know you know it's it's probably part of just you guys know you put something up for the town and somebody's going to tag it or do something then you just I guess I guess we haven't thought of it as something that would prevent us from going forward with it right now it's so the but the the footprint is 24 by 30 and again just for the reason to do this it might not be obvious if you're if you just own a discovery canoe that you leave out behind your garage but these boats are made out of composite materials so they have to be under protection from the Sun if they stay out in the Sun they get destroyed I should have probably mentioned that so right now we have two of those large boats that would occupy part of it and then for other ones so right now it would take up about half of it yeah I don't think other than us kind of kicking it out you know I think it's the same as if you drug it down and chained it to a tree like some people do along the the walkway there but but the the spirit of this was really not for us to have like a town facility that would collect the bunch of old plastic canoes but rather this would this is really to facilitate this this active programming so there might be some times when you know for example we've talked about having some summer programming related to stand-up paddleboarding in which case then we would move the large canoes to other storage and move in the stand-up paddleboard for a series of programs that might be related to that so you mentioned I have quick question so you mentioned earlier that you're fundraising for the construction of this building well I mean yes are you also fundraising as part of that are you also fundraising for an endowment from maintenance of it and potentially removal of it if the lease disappears and also is there any guarantees that the town won't become financially responsible for it we have not thought about we haven't done any sort of forecasting for what the maintenance would be on something like this I mean I think it would you would know better than I but I'm guessing that those cedar shakes are at least twenty years so we would think about adding that to the fundraising so it's a good point it's not something that we've had discussions about in terms of the responsibility for removal of the structure is on us in terms of what that would cost I don't have a number for that I'm guessing that we would you know it's a it would be a nice timber frame I think we could get rid of that on Craigslist for free if we had to do that plus there was one other part well just just a concern that the town may somehow inherit financial responsibility I think that's in the agreement that that once if either of us terminated then we have to deal with it and we have I think 40 or 60 days to deal with it so that's that's in there I just make the comment if you want you could make a condition of approval that there be some sort of maintenance agreement drafted before the code enforcement officer issues a building permit or something to that effect so right now the agreement is that they get inspected once a year right there's an annual review of the structure yes and if there is any you know there's the you know section about damaging property that the group will maintain and structure in the surrounding area too so dear point about you know other people using it for canoes if you know there were just canoes lying around there or being used when they weren't supposed to be and I would say that kind of falls under the agreement as part of maintaining that area and more of a neat fashion and kind of only utilizing it for its intended purpose any other comments or questions open it we haven't got to that point but I'm guessing no I don't think most timber framers would do pressure-treated lumber but but that's a detail that I don't have I think it would be pegged like in a classic timber frame style setting on then some sonotube post or something but again this is a all right any other questions all right thank you now we're gonna move on to the open it to the public for comments it's open so if you haven't you'd like to say your share feel free to come up to the microphone state your name please and then say peace sure yep yeah hi my name is Rick par a Lowen sunrise Terrace so we're sola a neighborhood brownies Park there okay been here 44 years retired psychology professor from the University of me I own si associates property management and I also own a new apartments down the road I too want to increase the use of the riverfront there it's great what you've been doing I see lots of action there and I love it so that's very good and I congratulate you on that however uh I'm gonna be a little thorn here that's alright first of all normal protocol is for the town council when they have an open meeting such as this one just to send these things which you did so thank you very much for doing that when the public hearing was announced for the issuing of the license you called it is that what you called it the license for the relations agreement license agreement never did I receive anything like this so you know I would have attended that meeting if there had been so I really feel bad that I could not attend that meeting because I wasn't notified of that meeting but the biggest thing that I'm concerned about is the natural beauty of that Park I mean you go down the air you look around what do you see beautiful trees you know shrubs and water people laying there and using it for canoes and kayaks and boats you were talking about it's such a nice thing and all of a sudden now with the structure that's gonna go up we're gonna see a big building I just wish there was another alternative then to a big structure that's 20 by 30 feet that's gonna start to make it commercial instead of recreation so I know it's just a fact of changing it and and making it that that I'm opposed to not more activity down there because I love that but I just don't want to see a building there okay thank you for your comments every I do want to make something clear so this board we don't we essentially are we look at things in a black-and-white way we have a town ordinance and each of these projects that come before us it's just a checklist it's yes you pass yet yes you meet the the ordinance you don't yes yes no no correct knows then we can you know make a decision but otherwise if it meets all of the ordinance then we have correctly and that's why I say I don't know why we didn't get notified of all of this until this very moment the the abutters notice which you received there is only required for the Planning Board it's not required for public hearings for the council and the license agreement actually didn't require a public hearing because it's a revocable license and therefore I think believe it was just agenda item at a normal council meeting which requires the normal sort of postings on Facebook or the town website but no actual card is in the panopticon times but it's not actually sent out on a card like that to abutters like the Planning Board meeting is that's really a shame and that's why I think the Planning Board deserves a lot of credit for doing it this way this way so that we can find out about it because you know not everybody is computer literate and I mean I am but not everybody is not everybody gets the Penobscot times not everybody goes on the town website so we're in the dark as far as what's being built around town and that's why I'm here because this is the first time I've heard about it but anyway thank you for comments appreciate you yes please I'm Fiona Sorenson live in Orono and I'm the treasurer of the Orono paddlers and you know I certainly understand your concerns and we we talk to a lot of people and the actual people that are members of our own o paddlers it's not huge but the number of people that are involved in meetings and we talk to is pretty large and we talk to our friends and we talk to neighbors and so on about it and this concern about what it looks like is comes up right away and we're very much committed to making sure that we don't put up something that people like oh my gosh what's gone down there so one of the things we're doing is so that when you're going past on the road you'll fairly see it because it's tucked right into the hill so your still when you go past on the road you're saying oh look at the Reverend Browns Park and it will look pretty much the same you'll maybe have a glimpse of the wood roof but not very much me a lot and then bear in mind that when you're down there because it's only a roof and a timber frame it's not like having a real building it's a shelter and so I really don't think obviously when you used to a place and it's beautiful and the river path is one of fantastic things about our town since I first moved here with little kids I've loved walking and riding along there and paddling from there and it's difficult to think of change when you love a place but I think I guess what I'd compare it to is this will have less impact on what brownies Beach looks like than putting in that launch area with the rocks it will it will be prettier than that so that's all I can say we have really thought about I understand your concerns but just in order to get more people out there and reduce the danger it's kind of I don't know whether anyone's driven past when we've had these Thursday night events but it's a bit of a zoo on Bennett Road and eventually someone's gonna get hurt so if we can have at least the big boats down by the water it's gonna make it a lot safer for the people involved thank you but anyone else okay please state your name I am an election Wallner and I am also a professor at the University of Maine associate professor in school of food and agriculture and and we own the house that's just above brownies Park on noise and benek and so this this you know we heard about that we love of paddlers we think this is really cool we heard about this some time ago when when it was in the early planning stages and we were like okay let's see what that's gonna be like because I share the concerns about changes along the River Trail I love the River Trail I use it a lot I do agree that this makes sense to me in that it's tucked away and that is land that you know you guys just went up and cleared up your town went up and cleared that just the other day as far as cutting back the vegetation but the vegetation has grown very wild and ranked in that area for a long time and so this will actually anything will help control some of the invasive plants that are in that area I you know I really think that I hope that and I trust that it's really not going to adversely impact the experience of being down there brownies Park you know matters a lot to us because it's not just what we look at every day but it's right where we live it's where our house is if we go to sell our house at some point it may affect the resale value you know there are a lot of different things that would affect our feeling about it but we also have appreciated over the years what the paddocks have done and I personally have a group of 10 students at the University this summer that are here for a program and I'm going to really push them to kind of join in with paddlers I think this is a really nice thing that they do so if this is helping I think that unbalanced you know I had to swallow a little bit hard to think about having a building going there but on balance I think done in the way that they propose to do it that it'll be an addition and not attract so you know we're right there it's in our front yard so you know I think I think it's a good thing I will add one thing and that is that one thing the town might want to consider at some point and I've not contributed to this at all in any way shape or form but possibly riru ting the way that you walk from the browny parking the brownies Park parking lot down to the water might be something to consider because everybody with boats gets out of the car walks back up to benek carries their boat along Bennett for a little while and then ditches down that trail which is also a bit of a water course in wet seasons and you know it might be a good idea to just put a trail that goes from the parking lot itself you know parallel to the river in some way shape or form and down to this this area so that might make life easier as well I can answer that the Arnold trail committees have looked at that several times and I've also walked with it was Bobby Eric's there and I think it's probably now is probably the time that we will do that but if it's been talked about before a couple years ago not surprisingly it's a good idea evening my name is Ruth Lyons and I am the owner of the house of 77 benek which is literally like right above brownie park and I think at one time that property was part of the parcel that I own before way before me um I guess I am just surprised that the first I'm hearing about this is through a postcard and I think that's more on the or no peddlers I I was a rower through college I've on like being a pet like paddling is I'm really happy that we have this program I just wish as an impacted resident like very impacted resident that I just would have been able to have been approached or some sort of material would have been made public I don't even know what this is going to look like it sounds like it's going to be beautiful or as beautiful as a structure like this can be I think you're doing a good job in trying to design that I just wish that there would have been a vehicle to find out about that some sort of public relations or mailer or knock on the door because that would have been nice to know about versus coming here and hearing it because it sort of feels like it's a done deal at this point so that's just my piece I'm again I like the up what it does to the town I you know mother mother of a young child so I you know will benefit from this but just the way that it happens doesn't feel great so and I'm how tall with this because I am a little worried that we actually will see it could you even answer the question so the question was how tall is it 16 foot 8 feet to the peak and it's a little hard to judge somebody suggested that we would make a rendering of what it looks like from the road and that's beyond my power point skill so it's when you're standing right there anyways it's it's hard to judge what that peak is gonna look like right from the road or what correct from your house but it's certainly something we could look at I also don't know what the I don't know enough about the engineering for the snow load to know if it could be slightly less that's certainly something that we could look at but certainly the intention of it in the location was that it wouldn't have a view impact again it's hard for me to visualize what that is going to be so 68 that Bank cut there is 12 feet or something yeah can they repeat your question so the question is how far from the monument it's the monument if your if your your back is to the river the monuments on the far left corner this would be as far to the right as possible so the right as you walk down the little path there it would be immediately to your right if you have a question come on up and ask the question in the mic come up to the podium to ask the question if you come to the mime up to the podium to ask the question just so it's on record and it's being really if you don't want because you'll have to answer logistics just kind of wondering if we might be able to surround it with greenery like fast-growing Pines or something that could hide this thing you know three sides could be shaded with kind of shrubbery or something it's just a thought that I had right then yeah I mean so I anything's possible though the consent of the town I don't know yeah I mean the the backside is already the bank well you only see that from the road if you're standing right there looking straight down because that's a that's a very near really a steep Bank in terms of that part I mean what you'll see from the road more is going to be the far end of the roof you have to go mock-up something listen sticks exactly in terms of planting stuff yeah I mean we could plant anything that the town wanted that have plant it down there I don't think that's something that we so I mean a buffer would not be required by the ordinance here but the Planning Board could you know make it a condition that a certain side of the structure have some level of plantings to blend it in more with the existing landscape yeah I mean it sounds like you're willing you're open to talking about it I'm just it's one of those things where I'm not sure if you're gonna go by 12-foot pines and plant them there I don't know if but it's certainly not required by they're not doing this for personal gain right no yeah we're doing this because we think it's gonna make our town a better place and so and part of that is being good to our neighbors I completely agree and I'm sorry but we didn't approach you you know to be honest that's yeah anyways it's just the problem of a volunteer organization you do your best and we didn't do that I'm sorry all right the public hearing is still open any other questions turns yep come right up and state your name please and your question I'm Bob Roarke up in Lebanon sunrise terror since 1964 my only problem is parking Finnick road is busy road that parking lot is really not too large and I think it should be evaluated or expand it as well to accommodate 60 people but with their vehicles - a cop - other than that no problem thank you any other comments questions alright I'll just keep the public portion open any more board discussion questions things you like to talk about okay all right I'm going to close public hearing next step is the finding of fact this is going to go down through the ordinance one by one and speak to each of those I'm going to read this in for the record proposed findings of fact on a babbler site plan review June 19th 2019 pursuant to article 6 section 18 - 177 of the Orono Code of Ordinances the 100 Planning Board has considered the application of or no or no paddlers for the construction of a canoe storage structure located at tax map 19 - for a lot 61 and the medium density residential district and based on all evidence presented by the applicant reviewing agencies town departments and the public found the following one requirements of the district that the proposed use is an allowable use in the medium density residential limited residential short-short surely on districts and will be located on a legally conforming parcel in the manner of fact that the structure meets the requirements of the district 2 compliant town ordinances and codes the proposed use structures setbacks buffers and layout meet the provisions of applicable regulations of the town including all pertinent sections of chapter 18 of the land use ordinance three utilization of the site that this construction is within the natural capabilities of the site is located in a suitable area of the site does not disturb environmentally sensitive areas it's with the existing topology of the site and can accommodate any drainage associated with the construction for traffic and pedestrian access that the use will not add any significant traffic that does not already exist that the use will be accessible off of the trail located by the river five stores of materials that there will be no exposed storage on the site beyond the equipment being stored as part of the use six stormwater management that the structure will not create any substantial impervious surface you cover that would result in stormwater runoff concerns seven rose control that in the public works director found there will be no potential erosion concerns and that the applicant will provide a plan for any erosion control that needed during construction that meets best management practices before the code enforcement officer issues a building permit eight water supply and sewage disposal that the use does not require any water supply or sewage disposal nine utilities the structure will not need any access utilities ten natural features that that that clearing will be limited to the area in which the structure will be placed and that the use will result in further maintenance of areas that are currently not maintained right eleven groundwater and surface water quality protection to the site is within the town's aqua Aquifer recharge overlay district but that the proposed use is not one of the prohibited prohibited uses listed all right groundwater the hazardous special and radioactive materials that the use of the site does not involve handling storage or use of hazardous special or radioactive materials thirteen trollin relationship that the proposed structure is within the limited to residential shoreland zone but meets all required setbacks and is an allowable use in the district fourteen solid waste management the proposed use will not need a solid waste management fifteen historic and archaeological resources that the site is not known to contain historic or archaeological resources sixteen financed will keep a capacity that the applicant has the financial capacity to carry out the project seventeen noise and lighting the facility will operate with them the noise standards and town ordinances and the applicant has no proposed light comments or questions on that alright also reading the conditions of glow yes what which happens with the motions with emotion I make a motion that we approve the project to following three conditions one that the soil erosion control methods be employed if needed around the entire work area during clearing excavation if there are if there is any our earth work the leveling the building the site and construction of the storage structure to that as required by state law title 38 section 439 HP any earthwork contractor hired for this project must be a person certified by the Maine DEP or by the Maine do T in erosion control practices and three and change the wording this the board can change the wording of this if they prefer but that the town of Orono would in no way become responsible for the maintenance upkeep or removal of the structure any questions on number three everyone good with that so second second all those in favor thank you all right so the next item on the agenda B is a proposed land use ordinance amendment to section 18 - 113 vernal pools overlay district a few minor changes to satisfy the conditions of approval set by the board of environmental protection that would give the town partial delegated authority this one is intriguing all right this one is not large all right so summary sure so this is a really small amendment to the existing vernal pools overlay district language that passed a couple years ago now in April Evan Rickard and then I attended we met with Maine BP - you know submit our application for the partial delegated authority which would allow the town to allow a developer to compromise a vernal pool with in the growth area of the town so long as they protected to vernal pools in a certain amount of space in the rural area in that forest in agriculture district so the amendments to the ordinance here were conditions of approval from DEP they're really just some you know minor things that were either already repeated in other places in the ordinance or weren't possible for us to say until we got that approval from ep you know so if you look at you know five there upon receipt of an application for a permit under the section the town shall provide Department of Environmental Protection with timely notice of such receipt well it wasn't possible until we got the approval to receive an application so that couldn't go in there until now the first you know on the first one there the provisions of the section apply only to land located within the fern opposed overlay district is shown on the official zoning map and if the impact occurs within the vernal pool or within a 200-foot 250 foot zone around the pool if it's outside of that 250 feet then the development can take place outside of that 250 feet without being considered as to compromising the vernal pool so it's just a minor changes to kind of officially wrap this whole process up that's been ongoing for several years now all right thanks so comments questions from the board yeah I guess they got a question you said 250 feet mm-hmm that's not adequate to protect the vernal pool I guess that's how its first a chill but it did yeah I just want to be on record okay that's not enough you need 800 feet in the Sam program you know I guess that doesn't address that the contractor does have the right to do that oh I understand right any other questions or comments it seems pretty straightforward conditions and one strike all right let's hope with the public hearing let's don't any other for discussion motion close it finding the fact are we good with this just to take a vote correct to recommend yeah is the recommendation back to Council for them to hold a public hearing so just make a motion to that effect is so can they make a motion to that effect all right that's fast all right so other new business is a review of the 2019 micro enterprises grant project consists of facade improvements to the buyer manufacturing building so those three and the summer weather project assistant the goals and strategies in Santa or know and somebody there he is good evening good evening my name is Dave Milan I am the director of community development for the town of are know and I appreciate you taking the time to hear this this evening Michael David make sure I can get you out of here by 8 o'clock so a Community Development Block Grant was I applied for a grant to help replace a facade on the property at 74 mill Street home by Myers manufacturing and we recently learned that we were successful in getting that grant it's a fifty thousand dollar grant that's leveraged by another $50,000 so that's we're talking about a hundred thousand dollar investment into the property to replace the all of the windows and the siding on the buyers building if you've seen it it's a in need of such work so part of the process once we've been notified of the that we we have been selected to move on into the phase two portion of the application it's about another ten steps that I have to go through hurdles that have to be jumped and one of those hurdles is that it is a requirement by the Planning Board to determine that the activity that the is identified in the grant application is consistent with the comprehensive plan so what I have given you this evening is a copy of the page out of the comprehensive plan that on number of section two volume two [Music] strategy three it talks about be the facade improvements and creating facade projects within the the downtown area so therefore it is my belief that that this application is consistent with the comprehensive plan and I'm asking that the Planning Board consider you know agreeing with that impression I'm perfectly stand ready to answer any questions you may have so I have a quick question journal does the town so how does that work financially does the town match so much of that or what's none this is a Community Development Block Grant is a HUD Housing and Urban Development federal grant that goes through the state there were seventeen as I understand there were seventeen communities that applied for similar type applications we were successful in getting that so these that $50,000 the app the application that we asked for your it's a maximum of 50,000 per property we applied for 45 we got the 45 that's all hundred percent of that money comes from HUD but it has to go through a municipality in order to - for a property owner the property owner cannot apply for the funding on their own they need it has to go through the municipality thank you that clarifies it it's a great program I've been involved with it for almost 20 years done many of these facade grants over the years and every single one of them really make a big difference and I think that if you look at a building in the downtown area there's probably not one that's more deserving of such attention who picks the siding and who's picking what it looks like the the owner does we don't have a we don't have a requirement as to you know what it is supposed to look like there is a committee that the council identifies can be the council himself that will look at the project and and and see what it is that is is being proposed and there is actually it's actually a good question so there is a an appeal process if someone if the committee didn't like what their if they were looking at hot pink and chartreuse vinyl siding them then you know someone could could make the argument but I would tell you my experience over the years has been a no one's done that be there really hasn't been much the you have - it's pretty high threshold to overcome that type of an appeal but there will be a on a committee that's identified by the council - to look at all of the application all of the projects this particular all of the project is one yeah thank you a great question any other questions through it okay and the okay so this grant provides half of the funds where did the other half of the funds come from from the prot again good questions comes from the property owner the property owner has already as part of the application has committed those funds and it's as I say it's a very it's a very thorough it's a long this projects been around since the 60s it's there have been hundreds of properties in the state of Maine that have been taking advantage of the this this specific facade project so I can tell you is is that the the amount of work that I have to do that this goes out to bid that there are there are multiple multiple steps that have to be done in order to ensure that it's being done aboveboard and it all has to be reported back to the state so just this one project will I'll have a three inch binder full of paperwork at the end of the year when I get audited by the Department of Economic Community Development next year they will want to know again everything there's a federal program for for wages called davis-bacon and this is a davis-bacon project so all of the the work when the owner got the estimates for the project he had to explain that to the folks who potentially could bid on it that it's a davis-bacon project so that they know that they have to pay prevailing wages national wages for anyone that's doing the work so as I said there's a there's hundreds of rules that come with this and as I like to tell anyone that applies for this free money is never free if there's a lot of work to it but in the end if you're okay with going through all this whole process it is an effective way to you know to invest in the property what is the timing for the project it is the the initial the initial phase two application which is what we're going through now has to be completed within three months of first to Jew middle of June once I get that they can't do but can't begin any work until we finish our part two so my guess is that would be and a lot of it is frankly bureaucratic conditions I've got to send out letters to inland Fish and Wildlife to make sure that there's no you know there's no bird habitat you know right next to the building or within the quarter of a mile of the property right to the sand dunes folks to make sure it's not the middle of a state sand dune there's like I said this number of ones too they have to sign off on this I mean in start preserve a I just received the letter back this week from Maine Historic Preservation saying that they did not see it as a problem and that's a big one because I've that's that's caused me a lot of delays in the past for different projects so once that happens and the phase two is is completed probably sometime late summer then they we can start putting it out to bid so there's a formal bid process review the bids you know I think that the the the the work that is that's being proposed as I said form the from the CDBG funds we're looking at the the applicant is looking to replace all of the windows of the building and all the siding on three sides not on the river side of the building because a facade is can only be on sides that can be seen from the street so three sides of this particular building I can I could get included what he's what the owner is doing with his match part of it is putting in a new heating system in the building so he can't again he can't begin Network and tell this phase to is done he can't start using his funds until this part is approved as well so he wants to be able to get that done I only offer that because he wants to get it done before the heating system us heating season this fall so I'm hoping that you know if you're pulling all the windows out putting new windows back in and he's putting in blown-in insulation in the walls you know prior to putting the new siding on that we're hoping to get that all done this this fall if for whatever reason there are any snags and they would probably hold off and do the waiting till the the 2020 building season if it had to be either way it's required from the time that we finished phase two and they give us the application we've got two years to complete the project probably a lot of information for a really simple answer but that's I hope I answered your question I'm not I'm not again I don't I don't know I would it wouldn't surprise me Ron Herman is the economic development director or my counterpart and in Old Town and Ron has always been known to be the king of CDBG grant so wouldn't surprise me if he's utilizing that for the city of Old Town we've done this here and we previously did one in before me in 2012 you may remember that there were some projects there was a similar grant that was at the town I had helped with a little bit of the application project when I was previously in Bucksport to help Oren I'll get to get that one done and Mehran Harriman was actually the over he contracted oversee or knows to do that I'm a certified CDBG administrator so I can do it it doesn't cost the town anything to to oversee the grant any other questions so you're looking for us to make a motion to stay that we agreed correct I'm just looking to say that you that you agree that this is consistent with what you know with the comprehensive plan is as you know saying that we should be doing do you want to vote please make a motion that we agree thank you second the motion all those in favor two minutes disparity of it I know from my prop my my portion of it thank you folks I appreciate it very much thank you alright item 6 discussion I mean 7 adjournment motion to adjourn all those in favor just for you [Music]