>> WE HAD A LITTLE CONSERVATION BEFORE OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS FEDERAL MONEY. AND WE AREN'T REALLY SURE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE FEDERAL MONEY WENT AWAY. PLAINTIFF ROGERO TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME AND THIS IS LEGAL. NOT TO SAY THIS ISN'T A GOOD PROJECT, BUT SOMETHING WE ALL SHOULD CONSIDER. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH FEDERAL MONEY. >> YES, AFTERNOON, GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL CH CHIEF ROGERO. A DZ MILLION NO MATCH GRANT AND APPROACH YATES THE FUNDING ALSO BASED ON THE AGREEMENT FOR PICNIC ISLAND PROJECT. FURTHER TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S COMMENTS, YES, A REIMBURSABLE GRANT. WE NEED TO SPEND THE MONEY BEFORE WE GET THE MONEY BACK. AND THIS IS AN INTERESTING TIME, IS IT NOT. THAT IS BEING -- ME BEING A LITTLE DIPLOMATIC IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT COUNT ON FROM FEDERAL FUNDING RIGHT NOW. A PASS THROUGH, SO FEDERAL MONEY BUT COMING THROUGH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION. SO YOU GOT TWO COMPONENTS. OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE, THE FDEP AND YOU HAVE WHATEVER AGREEMENT THE STATE HAS WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IN DISCUSSION WITH LEGAL AND THANK YOU, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WE ARE AS SECURE AS WE CAN BE IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OUTCLAUSES WITHIN THE AGREEMENT WHICH SEEM TO SECURE US FOR ANY WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE AND HAVEN'T BEEN REIMBURSED YET. JUST MAKING IT UP IF WE GET HALFWAY THROUGH AND THE FUNDING IS PULLED, THEN I CAN THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE A DECISION AS TO HOW HIGH OF A PRIORITY IT IS. DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE WITH CITY MONEY OR TRY TO FIND OTHER GRANT MONEY. WE ARE AS SECURE AS IT CAN BE IS THE SHORT SUMMARY. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS I THOUGHT WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU SAY WE HAVE OUTS? AN OUT? >>DENNIS ROGERO: AN OUT CLAUSE, TERMINATION FOR CONVENIENCE WHERE ONE PARTY GIVES NOTICE TO ANOTHER PARTY. AND I THINK IT IS 60 DAYS TO -- TO PAY ALL THE BILLS, TO BRING EVERYTHING UP TO SPEED IF WE ALREADY HAVE DONE WORK. BUT, AGAIN, THAT IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE STRENGTH -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SAFETY NET. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. WE DON'T HAVE A MONEY SAFETY NET. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THIS IS A -- AN INTERESTING TIME. THERE IS A LOT OF VAGARIES IN TERMS OF WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT THIS POINT WILLING TO CONTINUE TO COMMIT TOO. WE HAVE MADE IT AS PROTECTED AS WE CAN. WHEN I SAY "WE" REVENUE AND FINANCE, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, BUT THERE DON'T APPEAR TO BE ANY HARD AND FAST RULES AT THIS TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: MY COLLEAGUE, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, HAS MENTIONED IT A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT THE POTENTIAL ECONOMIC CLIFF OR TAX CLIFF. I SAW FLYERS THAT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE ASKING PEOPLE TO REDUCE THEIR TAXES BECAUSE OF STORMS. DO -- I KNOW YOU WILL BE PRESENTING NEXT WEEK, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY LINE OF SIGHT YET AS TO WHETHER REVENUES WILL BE DOWN NEXT YEAR? >>DENNIS ROGERO: RIGHT NOW -- WE WILL PRESENT MORE IN DETAIL NEXT WEEK. NOT AT THIS TIME. WE TALKED TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE. WE TALKED HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. A LOT OF X FACTORS. WE LOOKED AT WHAT WE WERE COLLECTING BASED ON WHAT WE COLLECTED LAST YEAR, AND THAT LOOKED VERY POSITIVE AND PRIOR TO THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARDS AND QUITE A LONG LIST OF THOSE WHO WANT THEIR VALUATIONS REVIEWED. THERE IS ALSO THE -- THE UNKNOWN AS TO HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE IMPACTED, YOU KNOW, FOR INSTANCE, THERE WAS A CAVEAT IF YOU WERE OUT OF YOUR PROPERTY FOR 30 DAYS, THEN YOU GET -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GET IT ALL REMOVED FROM MEMORY, BUT YOU DO GET A DISCOUNT. SO THEY ARE STILL -- THEY ARE STILL COLLECTING ALL THE INFORMATION OVER THERE. WHAT WE HAVE GOT SO FAR LOOKS POSITIVE, BUT THERE IS STILL -- WE WILL TRY TO BRING YOU MORE INFORMATION NEXT WEEK. BUT NOBODY REALLY HAS A FIX ON IT RIGHT NOW, SIR. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU KNOW ANOTHER THING THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL NEXT WEEK. NOT TO HOLD YOU TO THIS, BUT SINCE THE STATE IS TALKING OF DOING AWAY WITH PROPERTY TAXES, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO KNOW HOW MUCH WE -- EXTRA WE WOULD HAVE TO CHARGE IN SALES TAX TO COVER FOR IT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WILL SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: 8, 8.5, WHATEVE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS, BUT INTERESTING TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL START ASKING. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE? YES? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MEAN, I THINK WHAT I AM JUST HEARING IS THAT LEGAL ADVICE IS [ INAUDIBLE ] -- SORRY, I THOUGHT I WAS GETTING A COLD THIS MORNING. AND TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE JUST WITH -- WITH TAKING THIS ACTIONS. I MOVE ITEM 18 AND 19. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>LYNN HURTAK: ASK HER TO COME UP WITH AND TALK ABOUT THAT. I -- I DON'T KNOW THAT -- I KNOW THAT THIS IS COST EFFECTIVE. AND GIMP THIS IS THE UTILITY SERVICES TAX CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDS, A LOT WE CAN DO WITH $300,000. FOR 600,000 OCCURRING AT THE SAME FACILITY. >> THERE IS THE INSTALLATION OF THE SOLAR EQUIPMENT. >>THE SAME >> BECAUSE NOT. NOT GUARANTEE TO WIN AT WAR. AND ABOUSED NATURE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. AIR CONDITION IS FINE. WASTING WATER IS FINE. NOT WITH SOLAR IS EVEN IF. USING MORE WATER THAN YOU NEED IS FINE. AND KEEP ON DOING THE FINE THINGS AND AT THE END OF YOUR LIFE CYCLE WHEN IT IS MY AGE, WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. WE WILL BE BETTER OFF. OR YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE BETTER OFF. SO IT IS NOT ABOUT WHAT THE COST IS. IT IS ABOUT WHAT THE COST AND THE RAMIFICATIONS NOT DOING IT IS EQUALS SUM -- THAT IS GREATER OR SMALLER THAN THE ACTUAL CAUSE. I LOOK AT MATH A LITTLE DIFFERENT. IT IS NOT ABOUT ALL SAVING MONEY. IT IS ABOUT REALLY SAVING YOURSELF. WHEN YOU SEE THINGS HAPPENING NOW, ESPECIALLY IN THIS FORM OF GOVERNMENT THAT WE HAVE, WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO DO THINGS DIFFERENT. MAYBE IT WORKS. I AM NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T. THEY ARE GOING TO MORE THAN LIKELY ALL THE BENEFITS OF GETTING A ELECTRIC CAR AND 3,000, 5,000, 7,000, WHATEVER IT IS. AND THEN, THE CHARGING PORTS. CUT THE FUND OUT AND PUTTING MORE AND MORE CHARGING PORTS. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE THEM. BACK TO THE OLD WAYS? EVEN HORSES AND COWS, MANEUVER, THEY TO DO THE ENVIRONMENT. BUT WE STILL ARE GOING TO HAVE IT. I AM NOT SAYING YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE IT. EVEN THE PRICE OF EGGS HAS GONE UP. SO IT IS -- IT IS A WIN SITUATION AND A LOSS SITUATION AT THE SAME TIME. I AM NOT TELLING PEOPLE TO DO WHAT I DO. I AM JUST SAYING YOU GO THE TO WAKE UP AND LOOK AROUND, BECAUSE WHAT YOU SEE TODAY YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SEE TOMORROW. IF THOSE STORMS COME BACK, AND THAT STORM, THE LAST ONE, MILTON, IT COULD HAVE COME 10, 15 MILES THIS WAY. MAYBE WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS BUILDING TODAY. AND WE HAVE TO BE FORTUNATE THAT WHAT HAPPENED UFRL /* URT UNFORTUNATE FOR PEOPLE WHO GOT HURT. IF THEY COME THIS WAY, 50% OF THE TAMPA AREA WILL BE REBUILT. LOOKED WHAT HAPPENED IN KENTUCKY..OTHER DAY AND IN TENNESSEE. IT NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE AND ANYWHERE YOU GO, NOT FOLLOWING LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE CAN MAKE SOME CHANGE. I GAVE UP FOR FIVE MINUTES. BUT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHILE I A EMPATHETIC WITH THE POINTS THAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. AFTER HEARING COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I HAVE TO AGREE, WE HAVE SO MANY UNMET NEEDS IN THE CITY. I MEAN, JUST SO MANY UNMET NEEDS IN THE CITY AND WHEN YOU BALANCE THESE THINGS OUT, IT IS NOT -- THAT THIS IS NOT A NICE TO HAVE THING, BUT WE HAVE NEEDS IN THE CITY AND ESPECIALLY WITH OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT AND SERVICING OUR KID AND AFTERSCHOOL CARE AND ISSUES WITH SILVER SPRINGS. AND THE -- I MEAN, WE HAVE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE. AND A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES. SO, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE MEET ALL THOSE NEEDS, WE START FILLING IN. ONCE WE HAVE ALL THE NEEDS HAVE BUCKETS FULL, I WILL SUPPORT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ON THIS AND I WILL VOTE AGAINST THIS WONE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYONE ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND THEN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SHE HAD SPOKEN FIRST. >>LUIS VIERA: I KIND OF GO WITH WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN SAID, THAT I AM VERY -- NUMBER ONE, WE ALL APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, NOT JUST HIS WORDS AND PASSION BUT LIVING -- LIVING HIS LIFE CONSISTENT WITH HIS DEEDS. IT IS ONE THING TO SAY I AM LIBERAL ON THIS ISSUE. ANOTHER THING TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT OUT OF YOUR POCKET BOOK AND MAKE LIFESTYLE CHANGES AND EVERYTHING AND I REALLY APPLAUD COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. I SAY THAT FOR A GUY THAT DRIVES A CHEVY PICKUP TRUCK. I AM APPLAUDING THAT 100%. IT IS A CAR. A GAS THING. I REALLY APPLAUD HIM FOR THAT. BUT WHEN I WILL LOOK AT CHANGE ON THIS ISSUE, IT -- THE REAL -- THE REAL EFFECT THAT I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA IS -- IS PASSIONATE ABOUT IS TO GET TO IS NATIONAL CHANGE, KIND OF STUFF WE HAVE BEEN LEAVING AS THE UNITED STATES MORE AND MORE OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS OR SO. AND THAT IS UNFORTUNATE, BUT THERE IS A SAYING WHICH IS, YOU THINK GLOBALLY AND YOU ACT LOCALLY AND HE IS ACTING LOCALLY. COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN TALKED IN A LAND USE HEARING. 50/50. I WILL OPPOSE IT BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR NEEDS THAT ARE IMMEDIATE HERE IN THE CITY. WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT ADDITIONAL FUND AVAILABLE NEXT WEEK. WE HAVE PEOPLE -- AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ALL 100% SYMPA SYMPATHETIC. SOMETHING OF HOMES AND SO FORTH AFTER HELENE AND MILTON. I THINK IT IS -- YOU KNOW 2011, 35% VOTE FOR CURRICULUM MOTION. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DIDN'T -- THING -- I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS THAT MADE ME CONCERN IS IT IS NOT MAKING THIS FACILITY. IT IS NOT MAKING IT FREE AND BRINGING IT DOWN 40% TO 50% OF THE COST AND THAT IS THE PART THAT REALLY WORRIED ME. BECAUSE WE ARE STILL HAVING TO PAY UTILITIES FOR THIS. AND, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH THIS, BUT WHERE THIS MONEY IS COMING FROM MAKES IT -- THAT WE CAN USE IT FOR OTHER THINGS. THIS MONEY IS COMING FROM SOME LOCAL OPTION TAXES, UTILITY SERVICES TAX -- CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND THAT CAN REALLY GO FORWARD A TON OF DIFFERENT STUFF, BUT CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE THINGS THAT RIGHT NOW WHEN WE LOOKING AT ALL THE STUFF THAT IS GOING ON WITH THE HURRICANES. I AM JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE -- WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT MONEY NOW BECAUSE OF WHAT HAS HAPPEN HAPPENED AND WHAT IS COMING, WE ALL OWE IT TO THE CITIZENS TO LOOK MORE CAREFULLY AT WHERE IT IS GOING. THE REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP. I OFTEN WONDER IF AGAIN THE OPPORTUNITY, WOULD -- WOULD THIS COMMUNITY CENTER WANT SOMETHING ACTUALLY FOR ITS CENTER INSTEAD OF SOLAR. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE ASKED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS THAT THEY WANT. THE OTHER THING IS THAT I THINK ANY -- ANY THING THAT WE SPEND MONEY ON NOW, THE TEST HAS TO BE, WHY ARE WE NOT FIXING PEOPLE'S ROADS. A BASIC SERVICE OF GOVERNMENT TO FIX PEOPLE'S ROADS AND THEY ARE NOT FIXED. AND THIS IS -- THIS IS IMPORTANT IN THE LONG RUN AS COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA SAID. BUT IT'S -- IT IS LIKE CHECKING THE BOX. WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, GREEN -- GREEN -- GREEN MAILING OR GREEN MARKETING? IT IS LIKE WE WANT -- WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO CHECK A BOX AND SAY WE PUT SOLAR SOMEWHERE AND NOT 100%. WE ARE NOT -- WE ARE NOT DOING IT IN LOTS OF OTHER PLACES. WE JUST DO IT TO CHECK A BOX. THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT WE NEED TO SPEND MONEY ON. BUT THIS -- IF IT ENDS UP THAT -- THAT NOBODY HAS TOLD ME YET FROM THE CFO'S OFFICE. IF IT ENDS UP NEXT WEEK THAT WE HAVE EXTRA MONEY, WE GOT TO HOLD THAT IN SHORT-TERM RESERVES BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE A FINANCIAL CLIFF. AND IF WE SPEND ON SOMETHING THAT EVEN SOUNDS LIKE A SHORT-TERM NEED, AND THEN -- AND THEN IN A FEW MONTHS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY SALARIES AND WE HAVE TO LAY UP 100 PEOPLE, WE WILL BE IN BIG TROUBLE. THAT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR ECONOMY. WHATEVER -- WHATEVER WE HAVE EXTRA MONEY -- WHATEVER WE COULD SPEND MONEY ON, THE EXTRA, WE HAVE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE HOLD IT BACK BECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD TO RAISE TAXES. IF WE RAISE TAXES, OUR ECONOMY IS TOAST IN THIS COMMUNITY. WE TAKE ON MORE DEBT, IT IS GOING TO HURT OUR CITY. WE CAN'T BE SPENDING ON ANYTHING ANYMORE. WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PREVENT FROM LAYING PEOPLE OFF. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DOES ANYBODY PLAN ON SUPPORTING THIS? >>GWEN HENDERSON: IS THAT TRUE THAT WE WOULD BE LAYING OFF OVER THIS LITTLE MONEY? >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S NOT WHAT I SAID. I WAS TALKING ABOUT -- IF IT TURNS OUT -- LET'S SAY THAT WE COLLECTED MORE TAXES THAN WE EXPECTED. LET'S SAY $20 MILLION. WE ARE POTENTIALLY FACING A SHORTFALL NEXT YEAR. AND THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO LAY PEOPLE OFF. AND RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE -- UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE, AND THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF CASES FOR WHY WE SHOULD SPEND MONEY ON THINGS. ALREADY WE CAN'T DELIVER ON CITY SERVICES. IF WE HAVE TO LAY PEOPLE OFF, WE WILL BE IN EVEN WORSE SHAPE. FOLKS EXPECT US TO PROVIDE BASIC SERVICE AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. NOT FAIR TO THE PEOPLE WE MAY HAVE TO LAY OFF ULTIMATELY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE IORIO AND THE, 750 PEOPLE WERE LAID OFF. >>DENNIS ROGERO: CLOSE. DENNIS ROGERO, I CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION IF YOU WOULD LIKE. CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. WE ELIMINATED ABOUT 700 -- MAYBE 750 POSITIONS. HALF OF THOSE WERE FILLED. ABOUT 300-PLUS PEOPLE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, MIRANDA AND HURTAK. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I AM JUST -- YOU KNOW, WHEN I READ THIS, AND MY RESEARCH. IT IS UNAPPROPRIATED SURPLUS, IS THAT WHERE THAT IS COMING FROM, IS THAT CORRECT? >>DENNIS ROGERO: A PORTION OF IT. A SMALL PORTION. LESS THAN $20,000 IS COMING FROM A PROJECT ALREADY COMPLETED AND HAS A BALANCE. REMAINDER IS COMING FROM PARKS AND RECREATION'S MAINTENANCE BUDGET. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I THINK WHAT IS HARD FOR ME TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IS NOT NECESSARILY THIS. IF WE CAN GIVE HART $1 MILLION FOR PEOPLE TO RIDE A BUS FOR FREE, WHY IS THIS SUCH A BIG ISSUE. THIS IS FOR COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. BECAUSE THIS IS YOUR -- YOU WANTED TO PULL THIS ONE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. WHY WOULD WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND NOT SUPPORT THIS? >>LYNN HURTAK: WELL, IT IS ACTUALLY PRETTY SIMPLE. IN AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, WE HAD A DIFFERENT FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION. AND TO IT BE HONEST, AFTER THAT, LIKE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW WE WILL GET THE FEDERAL MONEY PROMISED TO US. WE CERTAINLY ARE NOT GOING TO GET ANY MORE OF IT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU READ THE BUSINESS JOURNAL, EVERY WEEK MORE PEOPLE ARE BEING LAID OFF. AND AT SOME.WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AND PREPARE. THIS IS NOT JUST ONE ISSUE FOR ME. MY WHOLE POINT IS TO HAVE US LOOK AT THE CONSENT ITEMS A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I JUST WANTED TO ASK BECAUSE WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT BEHIND THE SCENES. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS A TIM TOMORROW. IF YOU ASK PEOPLE IN PORT TAMPA IF THAT IS WHAT THEY WOULD WANT THEIR PARKS MONEY SPENT ON. WE HAVE SO MANY NEEDS IN PARKS, WHY ARE WE CUSSING ON SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T REACH THE AVERAGE CITIZENS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: FOR LORETTA INGRAM TOO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO JUST FOR PORT TAMPA. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. PORT TAMPA -- A LOT OF NEEDS IN PARKS AND I THINK THAT IS A LOT OF WHAT WE LEARNED DURING THE STORMS. RIGHT NOW A LOT OF TREES OUT IN PARKS, AND SOME OF THOSE HIT SOME BUILDING. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS FAIR. I MISSED THE TALK OF IT. I WANTED TO KNOW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT IS HAPPENING IN TALL HAS SEE. BILL FILED TO ELIMINATE PROPERTY TAXES. THAT IS ANOTHER THING TO THINK. COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, I THINK I CAN COUNT TO FOUR, BUT I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT. SOMEWHERE, SOMEHOW, EVEN THE ELECTRIC COMPANIES, THE POWER COMPANIES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD ARE PUTTING SOLAR. ALL OF THEM ARE. THOUSANDS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ARE SPENT EVERY YEAR TO CONVERT THE SUN INTO SOLAR ENERGY TO REDUCE YOUR COST OF LIVING AND REDUCE A LOT OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT COME WITH THAT. LIKE THE PRODUCTION OF ELECTRICITY ITSELF. WHAT DOES IT DO FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU THINK IT IS WONDERFUL FOR THE ENVIRONMENT THAT YOU PRODUCE ELECTRICITY THE WAY WE DO NOW? YOU WON'T SEE A LOT OF HANDS GOING UP. WE HAVE A PROBLEM. AND THE PROBLEM ARE, WE DON'T ADDRESS THINGS IN THE FUTURE. WE WAIT UNTIL THEY ADDRESS US. AND THEY SENT US A MESSAGE LAST YEAR. AND THAT MESSAGE IS GOING TO BE HEARD OVER AND OVER. I HOPE I AM WRONG. I HOPE THERE ARE NO HURRICANES ANYWHERE. WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN CALIFORNIA, KENTUCKY, OHIO, AND ALL THOSE STATES THAT ARE -- IF LOOK AT TODAY'S NEWSPAPER, ANCHORAGE, ALASKA WAS WARMER THAN AKRON, OHIO. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, LOOK AT IT. FEAR B -- FAIRBANKS THAT IS CLOSE TO THE NORTH POLE IS WHERE IT WAS A FEW YEARS BACK. ALL I AM SAYING WE DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS EVER IF YOU DON'T WANT IT TOMORROW. SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, WE ARE GOING TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE TOMORROW IS NOT GOING TO COME. AND I CAN UNDERSTAND ALL YOUR PERSONAL NEEDS, PRIVATE NEED. I UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT IS MORE OF A NECESSITY TODAY, TO KEEP DOING WHAT WE ARE DOING, TO KEEP BUILDING HOUSES THAT HAVE ROOFS THAT ARE MADE OUT OF WHAT? WOOD? SHINGLES? WITH AN EAVE 18 TO 24 INCHES WHERE THE WIND PICKS IT UP, LIFT THE ROOF AND THE WALLS CAVE IN. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO. CONTINUE DOING HOUSES THE WAY THEY ARE. NO MATTER WHAT THE COST IS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE COST JUST WHAT WE WENT THROUGH IN REPAIRING THINGS AND IMPROVING THINGS IS GREATER THAN PUTTING THE WHOLE CITY OF TAMPA UNDER SOLAR WE THINK ABOUT RIGHT NOW OUR NEED FOR TODAY. FORGET OF PEOPLE WHO NEED ANYTHING. I AM REALLY JUST TALKING TO MYSELF. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I ENJOY SOMEWHAT BEING A REBEL ONCE IN A WHILE. I AM NOT A REBEL. I AM TELL YOU THE FACTS. HOW THEY ARE. AND I'M GOING TO START AS SOON AS I GET ON MY FEET A LITTLE BIT MORE PUTTING -- AND EVERY HOUSE THAT I CAN TOUCH SOLAR. IT PAYS OFF. MINE PAYS OFF IN LESS THAN TEN YEARS. I GOT INVOLVED IN TEN HOUSE AT ONE TIME. AND MY SOLAR COST $14,400. SO WE CAN DO THAT OR WE CAN JUST WEIGHT AND SAY DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. TOMORROW WILL COME. SUN WILL RISE. IT IS NEVER GOING TO RAIN. THE HURRICANES WON'T COME. EVERYTHING WILL BE PERFECT BECAUSE I LIVE HERE. THANK YOU FOR DREAMING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY LIKE TO MOVE THIS. >>BILL CARLSON: I THOUGHT OF THE WORD I WAS TRYING TO THINK ABOUT BEFORE "GREEN WASHING." EVERY TIME CITY COUNCIL VOTES AGAINST SOMETHING WITH ADMINISTRATION, ADMINISTRATION CALLS THE ACTIVISTS AND WE GET E-MAILS, AND HOW STUPID ARE YOU. HOW STUPID ARE YOU TO VOTE AGAINST SOLAR. THIS IS GROWN WASHING. MAYOR DID DID PROGRESSIVE AND THE FIRST SUSTAINABILITY OFFICER AND THE BRILLIANT GUY THAT IS CAPABILITY AND PRESENTED A PLAN WITH 58, I THINK IT WAS, THINGS TO DO AND PRAISE BY THE MEDIA AND THEY PUT HIM ON TOILET AND TAP FOR THREE YEARS AND THEY NEED TO PUT HIM ON THINGS LIKE THIS AND TALK OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IF WE ARE IMPLEMENTING SOLAR IN ALL THE PARKS AND THIS IS ON LIST THAT IS IN ORDER AND WE ARE ONLY GOING TO DO A FEW A YEAR AND PART OF OUR LARGER PLAN, IT WOULD BE UNDERSTANDABLE FOR THE PUBLIC. OTHER THAN THAT IT LOOK LIKE GREEN WASHING. YOU CREATE A PAGE ON YOUR WEB SITE AND YOU SAY WE DID SOLAR AND YOU CREATED A SMALL THING ON YOUR PAGE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MOVE THE ITEM. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL MOVE IT TO SEE IT WHERE IT GOES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: VERY RESPECTFUL NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO. >>CLERK: MOTION FAILED WITH CARLSON HURTAK CLENDENIN VIERA AND MANISCALCO VOTING NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHOEVER HAS THEIR PHONE NOT SILENCED IF YOU CAN SILENCE IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: NOT ME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOT ME. MAYBE SOMEBODY LEFT -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE ELECTRIC COMPANY CHECKING ON US. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT WAS TEAKCO. ITEM NUMBER 49 WAS THE LAST EYE THEM A YOU PULLED. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. ONE OF THE REASONS I PULLED THIS, WE ALL GOT AN E-MAIL FROM MISS COPESKY ABOUT THIS ITEM. WHEN WE ARRIVED IT IN 2023, THIS WOULD BE A $10.7 MILLION PROJECT. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS GIVING US $ 5.35 MILLION AND WE WERE GOING TO PROVIDE $4.7 MILLION. NOW $22 MILLION TO TAKE DOWN A SMALL SECTION OF ASHLEY. AND THEY ARE BELIEVING THAT THE CITY STAFF OR ADMINISTRATION IS SAYING THEY WANT TO TAKE $8 MILLION OF CRA FUNDING TO DO THAT. WE ALL KNOW WE DON'T HAVE $8 MILLION IN THE DOWNTOWN CRA TO SPEND ON THIS AND THEY WANT TO PUT $4 MILLION ON FUTURE DEBT. MOBILITY FEES AND CIT RENEWAL. AND QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK WE CAN AFFORD THIS PROBABLY ANYMORE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS WOULD RE-ESTABLISH OR CREATE NEW BLOCKS WITHIN THE NORTHERN PART OF DOWNTOWN HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS A GREAT I IDEA. BUT WE ARE GETTING $5 MILLION FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE $17 MILLION. I CAN'T CONSCIOUSLY VOTE FOR THAT MANHATTAN MANISCALCO MY QUESTION, ESTABLISH COMMERCIAL BLOCKS -- WHATEVER. DOWNTOWN BLOCKS THAT DON'T EXIST BECAUSE OF THE HIGHWAY IS THERE. WHAT WOULD BE THE VALUE OF THE PARCELS SHOULD WE SELL THEM TO DEVELOPERS. >>LYNN HURTAK: IF WE WERE ACTUALLY GETTING PARCELS FROM IT, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. WE ARE GETTING A LITTLE BITCOIN -- SLIVERS OF LAND BUT NOT ACTUAL PARCELS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LIKE A SQUARE BLOCK. WE ARE NOT GETTING MULTIPLE BLOCKS TO SAY $10 MILLION APIECE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT PROJECT HAS TOO DO WITH THE ARMY-NAVY BUILDING AND IT IS OUR LAND ALREADY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WILL THIS AFFECT THE ARMY-NAVY PROJECT. >>LYNN HURTAK: COULD AFFECT THE RFQ -- RFP, I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH. THAT IS SOMETHING I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT. I DON'T WANT TO JUST RUBBER STAMP IT. I CAN'T VOTE FOR THIS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE WILL FIND $17 MILLION. AND, AGAIN, I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT IS GOING -- THAT THAT -- THAT WILL COME BACK US TO IN ENOUGH TIME SINCE WE ALREADY HAVE A PLAN TO PUT SOMETHING THERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHO HAD THE -- I WILL GO CARLSON, CLENDENIN AND VIERA. >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH. I THINK THE TOTAL IS $22 MILLION? SO THAT IS -- THAT IS SEVEN TIMES WHAT THE MAYOR PUT IN THE BUDGET FOR ROAD REPAIR. AND I DON'T HEAR PEOPLE EVEN DOWNTOWN COMING TO ME SAYING WE NEED TO DO THIS ASHLEY PROJECT. WHAT PEOPLE ARE COMING TO ME EVERY DAY AND SAYING, ARE IS THE TRAFFIC -- WHY IS THE TRAFFIC JAMMED UP OVER THE CITY AND WHY ARE THE STREETS FALLING APART. WHY IS THE CITY NOT FIXING THE STREETS. AND WE NEED TO REALLOCATE MONEY. SECOND THING WE ARE HEARING, WE DON'T -- PEOPLE DON'T WANT THE CITY TO PUT ON ANY MORE DEBT. IF WE HAVE ALREADY TAKEN OUT DEBT, WE NEED TO USE IT VERY WISELY BECAUSE WE ARE BORROWING FROM OUR GRANDKIDS. THE OTHER THING IS -- WITH THIS AND THE WEST RIVERWALK, IT IS VERY PRESUMPTUOUS TO SAY WE WILL TAKE THE CRA MONEY. IN THE WEST RIVERWALK, THEY FINALLY GOT IT. AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF PRIORITIES IN -- THAT WE CAN -- THAT WE CAN SPEND MONEY ON IF WE HAD IT. BUT I THINK THE CITY SHOULD KEEP THE CRA MONEY SEPARATE FROM THEIR -- FROM THEIR PET PROJECTS. WE NEED TO FOCUS ON POTHOLES AND FIXING TRAFFIC. YESTERDAY, AT ABOUT 5:00, I WENT FROM MY HOUSE NEAR GANDY TO YBOR CITY AND TOOK ME A WHILE. BAYSHORE WAS COMPLETELY BACKED UP. KENNEDY WAS BACKED UP. EVERY ROAD IN EVERY DIRECTION WAS BACKED UP, ALL THE WAY HOW THAT THE SOUTHERN PART OF TAMPA HEIGHTS, YBOR, EVERYTHING IS BACKED UP. WE NEED TO FIX THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT AND GET THIS CITY MOVING AGAIN. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CLENDENIN, VIERA AND COPESKY. >>LYNN HURTAK: I PUT THE MONEY AMOUNTS ON THE SCREEN SO YOU GO SEE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S GET THE OVERHEAD. >>LYNN HURTAK: I EXPLAINED IT TO YOU ALL. IF YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE MONEY ISN'T COMING FROM -- WHERE THEY WANT THE MONEY TO COME FROM AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF SOMEBODY FROM THEED A IN LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE? -- FROM THE ADMINISTRATION TO DISCUSS THESE ISSUES? >> I CAN SPEAK TO THE FUNDING AND THE POTENTIAL -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE BRANDON. >> BRANDON CAMPBELL, MOBILITY DEPARTMENT. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GOT. I WILL SAY THAT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION HOW IT INTERACTS WITH THE ARMY-NAVY RFP AND THE REDEVELOPMENT THERE. THE NORTHERN PART OF THAT WILL NOT BE AFFECTED BY THE ASHLEY DRIVE PROJECT. BUT THE SOUTHERN PART DOES REMOVE THE SLIP LANE THAT GOES FROM ASHLEY TO TAMPA, THEREBY INCREASING THAT DEVELOPABLE LAND. THE PROJECT OVERALL DOES DROP THE EXISTS GRADE SEPARATION WITH THAT SLIP RAMP. GOES UNDERNEATH. IT INCLUDES TWO NEW TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND SQUARES OFF THOSE BLOCKS. AND CREATES A PATHWAY BASICALLY ACROSS THE NORTHERN PART OF DOWNTOWN TO THE RIVER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU BREAK THIS DOWN FOR US? WHAT PORTION -- BECAUSE I KNOW FDOT HAS GOT A LOT OF FUNDING HERE FOR THE ASHLEY RECONFIGURATION. WITHOUT US PASSING THIS, WHAT PORTION OF THAT PROJECT IS FUNDED WITHOUT US? >> I AM NOT SURE I KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. SO THE GRANT ITSELF, THE FEDERAL DOLLARS BEING CONTRIBUTED TOWARD THIS IS ON THE SIDE AND THE MEMO. JUST ABOUT $5.4 MILLION. REMAINDER IS CITY/RCRA FUNDS. WE WILL CONTINUE TO ASK FDOT IF THEY HAVE ANY INTEREST IN SUPPLEMENTING THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ENTIRE TIME FOR THE LAST YEAR I HAVE BEEN HEARING OF THIS ASHLEY DRIVE RECONFIGURATION AND CONNECTING THE GRID. I WAS LED TO BELIEVE THAT MOST OF THAT FUNDING WAS FEDERAL AND STATE. IT IS NOT, IS WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME? >> AT ON THIS THIS PORTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING, TO BREAK DOWN THE PROBLEMS FOR US. >> I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION A LITTLE BETTER. NORTH OF THIS SEGMENT THAT WE ARE COVERING WITH THE GRANT PROJECT, THE -- THE RAMP ON TO I-275, THERE IS SOME RECONFIGURATION OF THAT AND SCOTT STREET THAT WILL BE ON FDOT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR TOTAL COSTS WILL BE FOR IT. BUT THEY -- THAT IS A SEPARATE PROJECT BUT RELATED TO THE EFFORT TO ACCOMMODATE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT I AM HEARING IS THIS ITEM NEEDS TO BE CONTINUED RATHER WE VOTE ON IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD RATHER WE CONTINUE IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD SUGGEST -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WANT TO DO MARCH 27? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THAT A GOOD DAY? LET US LOOK AT IT. SOMETHING TELLS ME THAT WAS REALLY A BUSY DAY. IT IS. >>LYNN HURTAK: APRIL 3? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: APRIL 3. I MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 49 TO APRIL 3. >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, DO YOU WANT. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU FOR THAT, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT WITH THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF SOMETHING TO NOT PURSUE THIS FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. I MEAN, WE MENTIONED OUR DOWNTOWN CRA. A LOT OF BIG TICKET ITEMS THAT GO 00% -- 100% FOR CRA TO DO FOR OTHER THINGS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND TAKE GENERAL FUND AND MOVE THEM -- [DINGING] -- WHOSE PHONE IS THAT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ITS NOT MY PHONE. >>LUIS VIERA: IT IS SOMEBODY'S. THAT IS FUNNY. TO CONTINUE THAT WITH GENERAL DOLLARS THAT WE MADE CONSCIENTIOUS CHOICES WITH THE CRA. A TUNE OF $40 MILLION, $50 MILLION, $60 MILLION. AND THEN TO GO HERE, I JUST -- BUT WE NEED TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, GREAT ON PULLING THIS AND BEING A FISCAL WATCHDOG DOG. THAT IS WONDERFUL. >>GWEN HENDERSON: DON'T GIVE HER THE NAME WATCHDOG. GIVE HER OTHER NAME. >>LUIS VIERA: HAWK. I AM SORRY. I ONCE TOLD -- WHO WAS IT -- THE MAYOR. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING. I SAID JUST AS LONG AS YOU KNOW I MEAN WELL. I MEAN WELL, THAT'S ALL. BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT, YES, I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS INCLUDING THE CHECK ON THE FEDERAL RELATIONSHIP, WHAT WE ARE GIVING UP AND SO FORTH WITH THE INFORMATION I HAVE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: UNDER STAFF REPORT AND UNFINISHED BUSINESS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL VOTE NO RATHER THAN HAVE IT HAPPEN AGAIN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OPPOSED. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIES WITH CARLSON VOTING NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT CONCLUDES THE PULLED ITEMS. 65, GASWORX AGREEMENT HERE, INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. AND MR. MASSEY IS HERE. >>MORRIS MASSEY: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. MORRIS MASSEY. PROPOSED AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE GALGS WHITE SOX, CITY OF TAMPA AND THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY. TO FUND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THREE SEPARATE CRAs. CENTRAL PARK, YBOR 2, AND DOWNTOWN. AND YOU ALL VOTED ON THIS CONCEPTUALLY ABOUT A YEAR AGO AS A CRA AND VOTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS SUBJECT TO THE NEXT OF THIS AGREEMENT. THIS AGREEMENT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON YOUR AGENDA FOR YOUR CRA MEETING LAST WEEK. AS YOU ALL KNOW IT WAS CONTINUED, I THINK, TO ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS OF MR. CARLSON'S. MR. TYLER HUDSON IS HERE. HE IS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE DEVELOPER. THEY MADE SOME CHANGES TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS I REVIEWED THEM. CLIFF HELP HERD YOUR RRA ATTORNEY REVIEWED THEM. IN OUR OPINION THEY ARE NOT SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES. WE OFFER A NUMBER OF CHOICES. APPROVE THE AGREEMENT AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS ON THE AGENDA. APPROVE IT WITH THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. MR. HUDSON WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THE CHANGES AND WHY THEY WERE MADE. OR IF YOU FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE, IT IS CRA. UNTIL YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL AFTER YOU MEET IN MARCH AS THE CRA. THESE ARE OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. THANK YOU, SIR. >>BILL CARLSON: TYLER CAN SPEAK FOR CLIENT, BUT THE CAPITAL MARKETS ARE VERY TIGHT RIGHT NOW AND SENSITIVITY OF TIMING ON DEALS. I WILL LET HIM SPEAK TO THAT. BUT I WANTED TO LET MY COLLEAGUES KNOW BECAUSE WE CAN'T TALK OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING THAT THE ISSUE, AS HE SAID, A WEEK OR TWO AGO WAS BECAUSE OF ME AND THE REASON THERE WAS SOME LANGUAGE THAT NEEDED TO BE CLEANED UP INSIDE IT. AND THANKS TO TYLER, MORRIS AND OTHERS FOR GETTING THAT DONE. IN THE PAST, THE CITY THROUGH THE CRA HAD SUBSIDIZED DEVELOPERS. I AM AGAINST SUBSIDIZING DEVELOPERS. EVEN WHEN THE CITY WAS PAYING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE THEY WOULD PAY A DEVELOPER. AND IT GAVE THE IMPRESSION TO THE PUBLIC THAT IT WAS SUBSIDIZING THE DEVELOPER. AND ALTHOUGH SOMEONE COULD PULL PUBLIC RECORDS, THERE WASN'T A LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY ONCE THE MONEY GOES TO THE DEVELOPER. SO IN THIS CASE, THE -- THE DEVELOPER -- FIRST OF ALL COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT CRA PAID FOR WAS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. INFRASTRUCTURE BY THE TIME IT IS DONE WILL BE OWNED BY THE CITY. AND SO IT'S PAYING FOR SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ORDINARILY OWN AND BE ABLE TO DEVELOP ON THE PROPERTY THAT THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, THINGS LIKE ROADS, SEWER AND THINGS NEED TO BE DONE. BUT WHAT THEY DID WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE IN CRA AND THE CITY HAS DONE IN THE PAST, THEY CREATED A CDD. OPINION. ACDD IS AN ORGANIZE THAT IS SUBJECT TO SUNSHINE AND PUBLIC RECORDS AND THEY HAVE PUBLIC OVERSIGHT AND THE CDD WITH DETERMINE WHO TO ENGAGE TO IMPLEMENT ANY OF THIS. THIS IS REALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER DEALS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER IN THE PAST. AND THE PROBLEM WITH THE LONG A WEEK AGO THAT THEY STILL HAVE THE DEVELOPER IN IT. AND THIS IS A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY, THE CRA AND THE CDD AND NOT WITH A DEVELOPER. THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHICH IS REFERENCED IN THIS. BUT -- BUT THE -- THE -- THE CITY AND THE CRA DIRECTLY ONLY -- ON THIS FUNDING ONLY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE CDD. AND SO WHAT I ASKED THEM TO DO IS TAKE OUT THE REFERENCES TO THE DEVELOPER BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER OTHER THAN THE -- THAN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS NOT A PARTY OF THE FUNDING. FUNDING GO GOES TO THE CDD AND THE CDD THROUGH A PUBLIC PROCESS DECIDES WHERE THE MONEY WILL GO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. MASSEY. MY CONCERN, THIS SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING THAT HAD THE CRA SHOULD DEAL WITH FIRST. CAN YOU SPEAK IF IT REALLY MATTERS. >>MORRIS MASSEY: IN MY OPINION, IT DOES NOT REALLY MATTER. A TRIPARTY AGREEMENT. YOU AS CITY COUNCIL MUST APPROVE IT. THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN IT THAT ARE COMMITMENTS OF THE DEVELOPER TO THE CITY OR THE CITY IS AGREEING TO CERTAIN THINGS. FOR INSTANCE, WHILE MR. CARLSON IS CORRECT, THE CDD IS PERFORMING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. THIS ALL ARISES OUT OF A SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT MR. HUDSON'S CLIENT, THE DEVELOPER, IS DOING AND ARISE OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER. A NEXUS BETWEEN THE TWO AND CITY NEEDS TO MAKE THEIR THAT THIS IS HAPPENING. CONSIDERED A REVENUE BOND BECAUSE A LONG-TERM COMMITMENT. UNDER THE STATUTE, THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, MUST AUTHORIZE THE CRRA FOR CONTRACTUAL. IN MY OPINION, THE ORDER DOES NOT MATTER BUT YOU HAVE TO APPROVE IT AS CITY COUNCIL AND CRA. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTION. THAT IS ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW. THAT WAS MY BIG CONCERN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SUCH A CON SEQUENTIAL PROJECT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA. AS COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON SAID ARE, THIS AGREEMENT PROVIDES WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CITY WILL NORMALLY BE PROVIDED ANYWAY AND RETURN ON THIS INVESTMENT WILL BE EXPONENTIAL. IF WE ARE READY, I WOULD SAY MOVE ITEM 65. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO CHEMO IN. YOU WHO CAN AT A NUMBER $14 MILLION OR $15 MILLION IF BUT -- 14.7 OR 14.9. YOU WOULD INVEST IN YOURSELF OR NOT. IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE THE DEVELOPMENTS COMING THERE, AND WHAT YOU ARE COLLECTING YESTERYEARS? NOTICE I SAID YESTERYEARS, BECAUSE IT WAS VACANT FOR A LONG TIME. AND WHAT YOU ARE COLLECTING NOW AND WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO COLLECT WHEN ALL THAT IS COMPLETED AND DONE. THE CRAs DO NOT LAST FOREVER. THAT IS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND I AM NOT COMPARING THIS TO A CRA. MOST IS 30 YEARS. SOME LAST LESS. WHAT DO YOU GET WHEN YOU LAST LESS, ALL OF THIS GOES WHERE? TO THIS GENERAL FUND. WHAT DO YOU HAVE? A PART OF THE CITY THAT WAS NEVER LIKE THAT BEFORE. I RIGHT NOW -- SOMETIMES I WALK AROUND THE CHANNELSIDE AND INTO WATER STREET AND ALL THAT, AND I LOOK AROUND AND SAY HOW THE HELL DID THIS HAPPEN. >>GWEN HENDERSON: AMAZING. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT IS JUST AMAZING TO ME. I AM LOOKING AT EIGHT OR NINE YEARS YET. THINKING IF I AM NO LONGER HERE NOT IF I AM DYING. I WILL JUST BE SOMEWHERE ELSE. I WILL CLARIFY THAT. THIS CITY HAVE AGREE AMOUNT OF CASHOLA. MONEY IN OTHER ENGLISH LANGUAGE, AND WILL HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS UN-- DIFFERENT FROM EVERYWHERE ELSE AND DOESN'T NEED MUCH MAINTENANCE AND DONE RIGHT WITH THE WATER GOING UNDER AND FEEDING THE TREES AND EVERYTHING ELSE AS I UNDERSTAND IT. YOU WILL HAVE AN AREA THAT IS DIFFERENT CLEAN BEAUTIFUL AND THE MONEY ALL GOES TO YOU. WHO WINS? EVERYBODY. AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT. I DON'T MIND INVESTING MONEY IF AT THE END OF THE DAY, SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, YOU ARE GOING TO GET IT ALL BACK, PLUS HAVE IT ALL DEVELOPED IN AT THAT WAY THAT YOU, YOURSELF, COULD NEVER HAVE AFFORDEDED TO DO IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. AND SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, ITEM 66. HE HELLO. >>BRAD BAIRD: GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL. BRAD BAIRD, DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE. A VERBAL REPORT ON THE WASTEWATER ENERGY PLAN AND COST COMPARISONS. I HAVE ALSO WITH ME DIRECTOR OF SOLID WASTE LARRY WASHINGTON TO SUPPORT. I WILL START WITH THREE QUICK IMPORTANT DATES ON THE PROJECT TIMELINE. ON JUNE 18 LAST YEAR, WE COMPLETED THE McKAY BAY WASTE ENERGY FACILITY OUTAGE. AND STARTED THE COMMISSION. AUGUST 30, SOUTHWEST STOPPED DIVERTING GARBAGE TO THE LAND FILL. AS YOU KNOW THAT WAS COSTING US A LOT OF MONEY. AND THEN OUR DATE OF SUBSTANTIAL COMPLETION WAS LAST MONTH, JANUARY 7, 2025. SO THAT PUTS IN CONTEXT TIMELINE TO GET IN DONE. PLEASED TO REPORT THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT CAME IN UNDER THE BUDGET OF $99,931,279 WAS THE EXACT BUDGET, THE TOTAL THE THREE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICES. THE MOTION ASKED US TO COMPARE THE ORIGINAL PROJECTED COST AND WHAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR OFFERS AT THE TIME. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT OUR CONTRACT OPERATOR WILEBRATER HAD AN OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT. WE OWN THE FACILITY, BUT THEY WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS JUST MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITY. SO INSTEAD WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS REPORT ON THE FIVE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED PUBLICLY -- ACTUALLY FOUR OF THE FIVE HAVE BEEN PRESENTED PUBLICLY. I THINK YOU WILL FIND THESE PRICES AND TIME FRAMES INTERESTING. SO FIRST IN MAY OF 2019 WE CONDUCTED A FEASIBILITY STUDY WHETHER TO TAKE OPEN THE PLANT WHETHER TO NEGOTIATE NEW CONTRACT WITH WILBRATER TO GO WITH THE FURTHER CONTRACT OPERATOR COVANTA. AS PART OF THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY, WE DETERMINED THAT THE ACTION FOR US TO TAKE IT OVER, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO OPERATE THE PLANT FOR ABOUT FIVE MILLION LESS THAN A CONTRACT OPERATOR AND THE PLAN WAS TO PROVIDE THAT BACK INTO THE FACILITY. AND I DID REPORT THAT TO CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME AND THE FIRST CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND PART OF THAT FEASIBILITY PLAN TO GO FOR $152 MILLION. AND IT WAS TO BE CASH FUNDED IF $5 MILLION A YEAR OVER 30 YEARS. OBVIOUSLY WE DID NOT END UP USING THAT ONE. THE SECOND OPTION IN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY WAS AS 12-YEAR PLAN FOR $81 MILLION. AND THIS IS A COMBINATION OF CASH AND BONDING. FAST FORWARD TO THE FOLLOWING NEAR OCTOBER OF 2019, WE PREPARED A TRANSITION PLAN TO TAKE OVER THE PLAN. AND THE CITY OF TAMPA OPERATED IT. AND MADE THAT DECISION AND PART OF THE TRANSITION PEC, $11 MILL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR ROUGHLY $61.5 MILLION. THAT WAS COMMUNICATED AT THE TIME AS WELL TO THE PUBLIC. IN 20622, DID AN INTERNAL UP UPDATE, $131.3 MILLION OVER TEN YEARS FROM 2023 TO 2032. THAT COMPLETE PLAN MASS NOT COMMUNICATED PUBLICLY, THE FOLLOWING MONTH, MISS DUNCAN PRESENTED IN DECEMBER 2022, THE FIRST HALF OF THAT PLAN, THE FIVE YEARS. SHE HAD A SLIDE ON THAT AND DETAILED YEAR BY YEAR WHAT WAS TO BE SPENT. AND THAT WAS $91.5 MILLION. AND IT WAS A CITY COUNCIL PRESENTATION IN DECEMBER OF 2022. AND THEN WHERE WE ENDED UP IS THE NUMBER I JUST SAID A FEW MINUTES AGO, WHICH WAS $99.9 MILLION. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, BY THOSE DIFFERING TIME FRAMES, DIFFERING COSTS, WE HAVE APPLE AND ORANGES ON ALL FIVE OF THOSE PLANS. DIFFERENT TIME FRAMES. DIFFERENT COSTS. BUT I WILL SAY THAT LAST ONE WAS PRESENTED BY MISS DUNCAN AT $91 MILLION. INCLUDED ALMOST ALL YOU HAVE WHAT WE DID IN THE RETROFIT. SO WE CAME -- YOU KNOW, SCRUNCHED IT DOWN FOR A ONE-YEAR SPEND, DESIGN-BUILD PROJECT. AND IT WENT FROM $91.5 MILLION TO $99.9 MILLION. NOT TOO BAD OF A JUMP. BUT I WANT TO -- I HAVE JUST TWO EXAMPLES. I HAVE MANY MORE, BUT I WANTED TO USE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF HOW THIS PROJECT MORPHED THROUGH -- THROUGH THE YEARS. SO PROBABLY THE BEST EXAMPLE IS THE ASH HANDLING SYSTEM. IN THOSE ORIGINAL OR EARLY CIP PLANS, WE ONLY -- WE ONLY PLAN TO REPAIR THE EXISTING ASH BUILDING AND THEN REPLACE THE FOUR EXPELLERS AND THE MAIN CONVEYER IS OVER A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. SO JUST REPAIR THE FLOOR AND OTHER CONCRETE IN THAT ASH BUILDING. AND, OF COURSE, REPAIR THE STRUCTURE OF THE ROOF. WELL, AS -- AS WE -- WE MOVE FORWARD IN TIME, WE DECIDED TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE ASH BUILDING. WHEN CPPI ENGINEER DID THE FULL REVIEW OF THE ASH BUILDING AND DETERMINED IT WAS BEYOND REPAIR. AND BEYOND ITS USEFUL LIFE. SO WE -- WE DID DO THAT. WE NOT ONLY REPLACED THE ASH BUILDING, BUT WE REPLACED THOSE FOUR EXPELLERS AND THE VIBRATORY CONVEYOR IN THE RETROFIT PROJECT. THAT WAS THE RIGHT DECISION. I DON'T THINK THAT THE OLD ASH BUILDING WOULD HAVE MADE IT THROUGH ANY ONE OF THOSE TWO STORMS. ANOTHER EXAMPLE -- ANOTHER VERY GOOD EXAMPLE WEIGH ORIGINALLY PLANNED ON LINING THE EXISTING UNDERGROUND PIPELINE AND WATER CIRCULATION SYSTEM. ORIGINALLY WE YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING TO IN THE IF ONE MORE TIME. LINE IT. WHEN IT CAME BACK, WE INSPECTED AS PART OF THE CCPI TASK NUMBER ONE. IT WAS NOT IN GOOD CONDITION. AS A MATTER OF FACT, IN BETWEEN THOSE TIMES, IT DEVELOPED A LEAK. AND ALSO, IT HAD MANY MORE BENDS THAN WE THOUGHT IT DID. NOT AS-BUILTS FROM WILBRATER AT THE TIME AND DID NOT INSTALL A LINER IN THAT PIPELINE. INSTEAD WE BUILT -- IF YOU GO OUT THERE TODAY, YOU CAN SEE IT A BIG OVERGROUND -- OVERHEAD LARGE TRUSS SYSTEM. WE UPSIZED THE PIPE JUST TO BE SAFE. ONE PIPE SIZE. AND THAT BE CAUSED WHITE A BIT MORE THAN WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO ORIGINALLY. THOSE ARE JUST TWO EXAMPLES. FINALLY, WE HAVEN'T FINISHED NEGOTIATIONS. IT IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLETE, BUT WE STILL HAVE NEGOTIATIONS ONGOING, BUT WE ESTIMATED THAT WE SHOULD END UP BETWEEN 98 AND $99 MILLION. UNDER THAT 99.9 MILLION. THAT LEAVES ENOUGH MONEY TO DIRECTLY PURCHASE THE SIX TRANSFORMERS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY UNDER THIS CONTRACT. AND DIRECTLY PURCHASE, WE -- WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAX. YOU KNOW, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE A MARK-UP ON THAT. SO WE ARE ABLE TO DO THAT AND REMAIN UNDER BUDGET. AND I WILL -- I WILL STOP THERE WITH THE CAPITAL. AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN YOU -- THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT HISTORIC PERSPECTIVE AND EVERYTHING. SO THE $62 MILLION IN THE BEGINNING. THE $62 MILLION FROM THE ORIGINAL DIAGNOSTIC THAT THE CONSULTANTS DID, WASES THAT OVER -- WAS THAT TEN YEARS OR FIVE YEARS? >>BRAD BAIRD: IN THE TRANSITION PLAN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? >>BILL CARLSON: ASSESSMENT THAT THE CONSULTANTS DID BEFORE WE TOOK IT OVER. >>BRAD BAIRD: 61.5. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO? YES. THAT WAS 11 YEARS FROM 2020 TO 20 2030. >>BILL CARLSON: AND SO, THE 91.5, AND THE 99.9. THAT IS FOR FIVE YEARS, RIGHT? >>BRAD BAIRD: NO -- YEAH, THE 99.5 WAS FOR FIVE YEARS AND THE RETROFIT ENDED UP A YEAR. >>BILL CARLSON: SO THE 99.9, DOES THAT COVER EVERYTHING THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT CONSULTANT PLAN THAT WAS ORIGINALLY 62? OR -- SO THEIR ORIGINAL IDEA WAS TO DO ALL THAT OVER 11 YEARS. DO WE DO ALL THAT IN ONE YEAR, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? BR . >>BRAD BAIRD: YES, IT INCLUDE -- NOT EVERYTHING MATCHES PERFECTLY BUT WE HAVE SMALLER PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD. >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT WAS THE REMAINDER, $150 WAS THE TEN-YEAR PROPOSAL, 130. >>BRAD BAIRD: WHICH ONE. >>BILL CARLSON: THE TEN-YEAR PROPOSAL WAS 130? >> THE TEN YEAR INTERNALLY BEFORE THAT JEAN PRESENTED WAS $131 MILLION. >>BILL CARLSON: THE THINGS IN THE $31 MILLION. >>BRAD BAIRD: IN THE 131 MILLION. >>BILL CARLSON: EVERYTHING INCLUDED IN THE 131 MILLION IS NOW DONE FOR 99.9. >>BILL CARLSON: EVERYTHING THAT WAS PROJECTED IN THE 131 MILLION IS DONE IN 99.9? >>BRAD BAIRD: IT HAS NOT. WE STILL HAVE QUITE OTHER THINGS TO DO OVER AND ABOVE THE 99.9. >>BILL CARLSON: BESIDES THE TRANSFORMERS, HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU NEED TO FINISH THAT? >>BRAD BAIRD: I WOULD SAYS IT PROBABLY -- I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, COUNCILMAN, BUT I WOULD GUESS THAT IT IS ABOUT $31 MILLION ESCALATED TO TODAY'S PRICES. >>BILL CARLSON: THAT WILL MAKE US ION WITH THE ORIGINAL 11-YEAR PLAN TO ACCOMPLISH EVERYTHING. HOW MUCH IS THE THREE TRANSFORMERS THAT YOU SAY? >>BRAD BAIRD: THE TRANSFORMERS CAN BE PURCHASED FOR LESS THAN A MILLION AND A HALF. >>BILL CARLSON: OH, TOTAL, ALL THREE? >>BRAD BAIRD: HOPING FOR $2 MILLION TO PURCHASE THOSE TRANSFORMERS. >>BILL CARLSON: INCLUDED IN THE $131 MILLION BUDGET? >>BRAD BAIRD: OH, YES. >>BILL CARLSON: IT IS AS SOON AS GREAT, THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT WAS A TRAGEDY WAITING TO HAPPEN. THANK GOD IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. WE HAD, WHAT, ONE GENERATOR. >>BRAD BAIRD: ONE GENERATOR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE LIFESPAN OF THAT GENERATOR? >>BRAD BAIRD: THE LAST TIME IT WAS OVERHAULED, NINE AND A HALF YEARS AGO NINE AND A HALF YEARS AGO LAST YEAR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEY DON'T LAST FOR EVER. HOW MANY REPLACEMENTS. >>BRAD BAIRD: ZERO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE BOUGHT A NEW ONE? >>BRAD BAIRD: NO, NO, REREPABL STATED THE OLD ONE. AND THAT WAS THE DRIVER OF THIS PROBABLY. SO YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO OVERTURN AND REHABILITATE A GENERATOR EVERY FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT HAD GONE HOW LONG? >>BRAD BAIRD: THEY CAN LOST 40 TO 50 YEARS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE IS THE THING. IF THAT PLANT WOULD HAVE GONE DOWN. WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ADDITIONAL COST IF AVAILABLE TO HAUL ALL THE WAY TO THE COUNTY LANDFILL AN HOUR OR SO. >>BRAD BAIRD: $40 MILLION A YEAR FOR DISPOSAL AND HAULING COST. I DO WANT TO MAKE A POINT, A BUSINESS -- A CURRENT BUSINESS CASE POINT. WE BUILT IT -- OR WE RETROFIT IT FOR $100 MILLION. WE -- IN 2023, OUR ELECTRICAL REVENUE WAS $15 MILLION. $15.3 MILLION. IF YOU DO THAT MATH, TAKE THAT $85 MILLION NET. AND DIVIDE IT BY $40 MILLION. YOU ARE TALKING OF A .2.1 YEAR PAYBACK. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BETTER THAN MY SOLAR SYSTEM. >>BILL CARLSON: WE ARE ALREADY COLLECTING THAT AREN'T WE? WE ARE NOT GETTING NEW POWER GENERATION. WE WERE COLLECTING THAT BEFORE. >>BRAD BAIRD: WE WERE COLLECTING IT AGAIN. >>BILL CARLSON: IN THE ORIGINAL BUSINESS CASE WHY WE TOOK IT OVER. COST NET OF THAT. ORIGINALLY $25 MILLION A YEAR, NET $6 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER. >>BRAD BAIRD: THATS WITH A THE ORIGINAL BUSINESS CASE. AND YOU HEARD ME MENTION ON THAT VERY FIRST PROPOSAL IN 2018, SPENDING $5 MILLION A YEAR FROM OUR SAVINGS. SO THAT WAS ALSO A PART OF THAT ORIGINAL BUSINESS CASE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND IF I MAY CONTINUE. IF I RECALL -- SOMETIMES MY MEMORY IS A LITTLE WHACKO, BUT I THINK THAT PLANT IS PRODUCING ENOUGH ELECTRICITY FOR 15,000 HOMES ON A DAILY BASIS. >>BRAD BAIRD: I THINK IT IS ACTUALLY MORE THAN THAT. >> 15? >>BRAD BAIRD: YES, YOU ARE CORRECT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE HAD A DEAL WAY BACK ANOTHER TWO COUNCILS OR THREE TO BUY SEEKSCO. EVERYTHING. TRANSMISSION LINES AND WORK IT >>BILL CARLSON: SO THE CASH FLOW AND WHATEVER THE INTEREST IS. I ASSUME THAT IS BEING APPLIED TO THE COST. SO HOW MUCH HAS THE OPERATING COST GONE UP. AND HAS THE -- HAS THE REVENUE STAYED THE SAME. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION CONNECTED TO THAT IS WE HAVEN'T ADDED ANY NEW CAPACITY, RIGHT? >>BRAD BAIRD: THAT'S CORRECT. I WILL LET LARRY CARLSON CARL YOU GET IT. SO. >>BRAD BAIRD: NOW I AM EXCITED. SO, ARE WE -- OUR WASTE ENERGY STAFF AND OUR ENGINEER OF RECORD PUT TOGETHER A DETAILED OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE PRO FORMA. IT WAS TWO PARTS. >>BRAD BAIRD: FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, THE RETROFIT YEAR. WAS TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN THE PLANT ON A LOWER COST BASIS THAN THE CITY FOR FOUR OF NOSE YEARS. WHILE THE CITY WAS ESTIMATED TO RUN IT ON A LOWER COST BASIS FOR 25 OF THOSE YEARS. SO THAT -- AND THE SAVINGS RANGES ON THOSE 25 YEARS FROM $3 MILLION TO 6.6. PRETTY CLOSE TO THE $5 MILLION WE ESTIMATED BACK IN 2018. SO I WAS PRETTY HAPPY ABOUT THAT. AND ADDITIONALLY ON TOP OF THAT, WE CONTROL HOW THE FACILITY CAN BE OPERATED AND MAINTAINED MUCH BETTER. SO BASICALLY IN CONCLUSION WE MADE THE DECISION CARLSON CARL CAN YOU TELL US GOING FORWARD THE OPERATING COST AND THE INCOME. >>BRAD BAIRD: WE DO HAVE THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN YOU E-MAIL THIS TO US TOO, PLEASE. >>BRAD BAIRD: PROBABLY WILL BE BETTER IF WE SENT THE WHOLE PRO FORMA TO CITY COUNCIL. IT IS A LOT OF NUMBERS AND WE CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER YOUR. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN YOU TELL US TOP LINE WHAT IS THE TOTAL COST PROJECTED FOR THIS YEAR AND NEXT YEAR AND WHAT THE TOTAL REVENUE IS PROJECTED? >>BRAD BAIRD: YES. SO FOR 2025, OPERATE CAN EXPENSES ARE EXPECTED TO BE 25.7 MILLION. FOR 2026 -- >>BILL CARLSON: DOES THAT INCLUDE INTEREST OR NO? >>BRAD BAIRD: THESE DO INCLUDE ESCALATIONS AS THEY GO OUT. >>BILL CARLSON: THEY INCLUDE THE INTEREST OF THE BONDING? >>BRAD BAIRD: LET ME SEE HERE. THAT IS THE PLANT OPERATING COSTS. AND THEN WE ADD IN I AM NOT PICKING IT ON RIGHT AWAY, BUT ADD IN THE BONDING COST LATER IN THIS PRO FORMA. IN IN 2026, IT IS $20.6 MILLION IN EXPENSES. AND YOU ASKED OF CAPACITY, SO -- >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. LARRY WASHINGTON. DIRECTOR OF THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT. IN TERMS OF CAPACITY. WE TONIGHT HAVE A CAPACITY ISSUE. WE HAD A LIABILITY ISSUE AND WENT FORWARD WITH THE WASTE ENERGY OF RETROFIT. I WILL TAKE IT BACK SOME. BACK IN 2017, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WAS HAPHAZARDLY STUMBLE ON OUR. IN 2017, WE DID A COMPOSITION STUDY AND WITH THAT BEING SAID WE NOTICED AND RESULTS WERE 17% OF THE WAY IT WAS GOING THROUGH THE FACILITY WAS YARD WASTE. AT THAT POINT IN TIME WE REMOVED THAT COMMODITY GOING TO THE FACILITIES. WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE LAND FILL. MOVING FORWARD NOW AS YOU ALL KNOW WITH APPROVAL FROM YOU ALL, NOW WE COMPOST. AND 21 MILLION POUNDS OF YARD WASTE NOW GOES TO A MULCHING AND A -- AND A RECOVERY FACILITY. MULCHING AND COMPOSTING. WE DO OTHER THINGS TO REMOVE THE ITEM WHICH GIVES US THE CAPACITY, QUOTE, UN, QUOTE. THE THINGS WE SHOULD BE BURNING. AND THE REASON FOR THAT. NOW WE ARE GETTING MORE AGGRESSIVE IN FOCUSING ON RECYCLABLES AS WELL. PULLING THEM OUT OF THE WAY STREAM. 300,000 TONS PER YEAR IN THE NEXT TIN YEARS ON THIS AS WELL. 30,000 ADDITIONAL AND THAT IS CITY WIDE. YARD WASTE AS BULKY WASTE AND -- AND GARBAGE IN GENERAL. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE THE SPACE TO BURN WASTE FOR YEARS TO COME. WE ARE FOCUSSING ON REMOVING THAT WASTE FROM THE WASTE OF ANY FACILITY AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO USE IT. WE ARE GOOD TO GO AS FAR AS RELIABILITY AND FUTURE CAPACITY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY, CONGRATULATIONS. WE NOW HAVE BEEN USING THE BROWN PAPER BAG AND SYSTEM FOR A YEAR NOW. AND I KEPT SEEING PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU CAN -- YOU KNOW. SO EXPENSIVE TO BUY ONE OF THOSE BINS. I HAD TO THINK ABOUT IT. BUT I BOUGHT MY FIRST BIN WHEN I POUT MY FIRST HOUSE IN 2024. I STILL HAVE IT. 2004. MY FIRST -- I STILL HAVE THE BIN, 21 YEARS LATER. WE HAVE HOLES IN THE BOTTOM. AND SO THE WATER CAN DRAIN. I WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS FOR THAT. AND I ALSO SAW WHY YOU NEW SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN AROUND RECYCLING AND I THINK THAT IS REALLY AWESOME. AND KIND OF TO COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON'S POINT. TALKING OF HOW WE CONTINUE TO -- WE MIGHT HAVE CAPACITY FOR NOW, BUT WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE AREA. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: WE DO. >>LYNN HURTAK: OUR CONCERN IS EVEN WITH THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE AND YOUR TEAM IS DOING, WHEN -- DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE TO REACH THAT CAPACITY. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: OUR GOAL IS NOT TO REPEAT THE CAPACITY. AND JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE YARD WASTE AND SWITCH GEARS AND FOCUS ON RECYCLABLES. OVER 20% OF THE MATERIAL GOING THROUGH THE PLANT IS RECYCLEABLE. AND WE WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR MORE TEN YEARS. >>LYNN HURTAK: GOOD TO KNOW. I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN WORK AGO ON SOME COMPOSTING. YARD POSTING. AND TO FIND OF FOCUS MORE ON T THAT. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: WE DO, OF COURSE, RESIDENTS AND TO PARTNER WITH DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. AND WE HAVE COMMUNITY GUARDIANS THAT ARE SOMETIMES A HARD SELL AND TAKES A LOT OF WOULD, FROM THE PUBLIC AND THOSE WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE, WE WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THEM AND OUR TEAM IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE FUTURE. >>LYNN HURTAK: NEAT. I ALSO HAVE BEEN COMPOSTING FOR AMERICAN, MANY YEARS AND IT ALL WORKS OUT. I DON'T THROW THAT MUCH GARBAGE AWAY BECAUSE MOST OF GARBAGING GOES TO RECYCLING AND COMPOST. I AM SORRY I MISSED MY TOUR THIS WEEK. I WILL MAKE THAT UP SOON. >>BRAD BAIRD: ALL FOR A TOUR FOR UPGRADES. >>BRAD BAIRD: THANK YOU TO THE TEAM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A FIVE MINUTE IN PERSON REPORT. HELLO, SIR. >> I WILL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF. I AM NOT SURE MY PRESENTATION WILL BE AS EXCITING AS THE WASTE -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOTHING MORE EXCITING THAN THAT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, DAVID INGRAM, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER. THIS AFTERNOON WE ARE HERE TO TALK OF THE MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN HURTAK TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE $45 MILLION EXPANSION/RENOVATIONS OF THE CONVENTION CENTER. WITHIN THE MOTION, WE ASKED -- ASKED FOR PROJECT TIMELINE, COST BREAKDOWN FOR GMP 1 AND 2, ANY DESIGN, ANY CHANGE ORDERS, CON I THINK IT AGAIN SEE FUNDS, DEABLES, ANY DELAYS AND USE OF THE FUNDS AND BENEFITS FOR IT. FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO START WITH BUDGET TO ACTUALITIES. MEMORY SERVES, BUDGET WAS CREATED TO INCLUDE OUR EXPANSION, OUR HVAC UPGRADES. IF I USE THE WORD HVAC AND AIR HANDLER UNIT, IT IS ALL ONE THING. THREE PHASE TODAY THIS PROJECT. FIRST PHASE IS THE DESIGN PHASE GMP 1 AND 2. TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET WAS $44 MILLION. WE HAVE ACTUALS THAT WERE MET FOR THOSE PROJECTS AS WELL AS WE HAD TWO CHANGE ORDER. ONE WAS AN INCREASE OF CHANGE ORDER FOR $258,000. SECOND A CREDIT BECAUSE WE WERE UNDER BUDGET, $843,000. SO OUR TOTAL ACTUAL TO DATE IS $44,444,215. SO, AGAIN, UNDER BUDGET WHICH WAS A BIG PROJECT FOR US TO UNDER STAKE. AS A REMINDER FOR SOURCES OF FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT WAS CONTRIBUTIONS FROM BOTH THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX THAT THE COUNTY AUTHORIZED AND MONEY FROM THE CRA. I BELIEVE IT IS $2 MILLION FROM EACH OF THOSE ENTITIES THAT ALLOWED US TO DO THIS. BEFORE I GET INTO THE OFFICIAL PROJECT TIMELINE SINCE I WASN'T HERE BACK IN 020 PROJECTS I RECEIVED INFORMATION, THE PROJECT WAS SUPPOSE TO START IN 2020. ALL THAT HAPPENED WAS COVID. AND IT DELAYED THE OFFICIAL START TIME IN OCTOBER 2020. DESIGN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES APPROVED. TWO MONTHS LATER IN DECEMBER WE HAD GMP 1 APPROVED. AND COMPLETION WAS SET FORDOWN OF 2021. AND CONSTRUCTION STARTED IN. THERE WE GO, SEPTEMBER OF 21. WAS MET IN 2023 OF JUNE. IN THAT TIME FRAME, WE HAD ONE CHANGE ORDER WHICH I ALREADY MENTIONED WHICH IS JULY OF 022 AND FINAL CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION. THERE IS A DELAY BETWEEN THE DELIVERABLES AND THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. ONE WE DID THE RIBBON CUTTING IN JUNE WE WERE ABLE TO GO BY THE END OF JUNE AND JULY FOR EVENTS. >> THE FIRST DESIGN WAS PROFESSIONAL. SCOPE WAS EXPAND RENOVATION THAT WE NEED DEVELOPMENT OF A BUDGET AND INDICTMENT OF FORMAL MATERIALS. YOU CAN SEE THIS THE ACTUALS WE HAD. WE REACHED OUR BUDGET OF $2.2 MILLION. GMP 1, SCOPE OF SERVICES MODERNIZING TWO OF OUR HE WILL VARIES. WE DID A REHAB AND BUILT OUT THREE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS ROOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR. ADDED A MATERIAL, SERVICE LIFT THAT ALLOWED US TO SERVICE IT AND UPGRADED OUR EXISTING HVAC UNITS. WE MET THE PROJECT OF $ .9 MILLION. DIRECT COST OF WORK WAS .5. ALL THE ANCILLARY STUFF IS BONDING, SERVICES FEES, THINGS LIKE THAT. FINAL PHASE WAS THE GMP 2, NEW MEETING ROOMS, REPLACEMENT FOR UPPER RIVERWALK FOR HANDRAILS. HRAC UNITS. CURRENT THEME IN THIS PRESENTATION. RENOVATION OF OUR REST ROOMS AS WELL AS OUR BALLROOM. IT IS SPLIT INTO TWO PHASE. ONE WAS ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION COST AND THE OTHER SEPARATE INCIDENT FEAR FOR UPGRADES FOR THE HVAC. YOU SEE TWO DIFFERENT LINE ITEMS. DIRECT COST 23.5. AND UPGRADES FOR 5.8. AND THEN WHEN YOU PUT ALL THE OTHER SERVICES, 37.8 MILLION, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE BUDGETED TO BE EX-PENDING FOR THIS PROJECT. AGAIN, WE DID HAVE TWO CHANGE ORDERS. FIRST ONE $258,000 FOR US. THAT INCLUDED ADDITIONAL M.O.T. COSTS. WE HAVE SOME FEBRUARY IMPACTS FOR OUR SCHEDULING DUE TO EVENTS. AND IN THE UPPER RIVER WALK REPLACEMENT; HOWEVER, THE SECOND CHANGE ORDER WHICH IS POSITIVE NEWS CREDIT OF 8 3,000 FROM GMP 1 AND 2 COMBINED WHICH MAKES LIFE A WHOLE LOT EASIERY ERR FOR EVERYBODY. CONTINGENCY WHICH IS $1.7 MILLION. WE USED $175LE THAT. REMAINING $225,000 UNSPENT ROLLS INTO THE CREDIT. AND THE CONTINGENCY FOR ANY UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES DURING CONSTRUCTION. WE ARE A 30-YEAR-OLD BUILDING AND SOME OF THE AS-BUILTS OFF THE CONSTRUCTION WEREN'T QUITE ACCURATE AND WE DID HAVE TO CHANGE THAT A LITTLE BIT. ONE OF THE BIGGEST EXPENSES WE DID WAS MITIGATE OUR WORK SCHEDULES AND NORMALLY IN CONSTRUCTION, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8 TO 5. AN ACTIVE BUILDING DURING THAT TIME FRAME AND WE HAD TO MAKE CHANGES TO ACCOMMODATE OUR EVENT. THAT SHIFT OF OVERNIGHT, SECOND SHIFT HAD TO BE A SORBED OUT OF THE CONSTRUCTION COST -- CONTI CONTINGENCY, EXCUSE ME. THE ONE REQUEST I MADE WHILE I WAS HERE. HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY SPIN AS NEW EXPANSION AND OF THE CARPET. A BEAUTIFUL SEAFOAM CARPET THAT IS TO THE ESCALATORS. SET UP FOR THE ELEVATOR AND NOT SET UP FOR THE ENTIRE FOURTH FLOOR AND THE STARES. AND I MADE IT EUROPEAN TEE. I MADE THAT DECISION TO USE THE CONTINGENCY FUND. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE GMP 1s HAD 16,000 UNUSED FOR THE CONTINGENCY AND GMP 2 HAD 203,000. DELIVER BIBLES, I CAN GO THROUGH MOST OF THEM IF YOU WOULD LIKE. WE FOCUSED ON GET CAN NEW IMPROVEMENTS FROM STEEL EXPANSION, TO SUPPORT THE EXPANSION. OUR 18 ROOMS WERE DONE. UPGRADED HVAC. RENOVATED REST ROOMS, ELEVATOR. RELEVANT IMAGES. I GAVE YOU A I LOT OF INFORMATION AND A LOT OF NUMBERS ON THE PRESENTATION, BUT SOMETIMES IT IS EASIER TO SEE IT THAN IT IS TO HEAR IT. WE INCLUDED ON THE LEFT, YOU WILL SEE THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER. EXTERIOR WALL ON THE RIVER. ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THE UPDATED EXPANSION. MAKES A HUGE WORLD OF DIFFERENCE FROM AN AESTHETICS STANDPOINT AND ATTRACTIVE PIECE FOR THE RIVERWALK. PHOTOS UNDERNEATH. NEW BALLROOM RENOVATIONS. AS WELL AS THE NEW MEETING ROOMS THAT WERE BEING USED. WE DO HAVE DELAYS. OBVIOUSLY I DID SAY THAT THE FIRST PART OF THE DELAY WAS DUE TO COVID. AND THERE WAS MATERIAL DELAYS BECAUSE OF COVID. WE HAD DELAYS GETTING ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT. THIS ONE IS HARD TO SAY, CERTAIN EVENTS THAT CONTRACTED NO MISSION TO, NO VIBRATIONS, NO INFORMATION CAN BE DONE AT ALL TIMES FOR THEIR EVENTS AND THAT PUSHED ALL OF CONSTRUCTION BACK, ANNUAL EVENT OF SOFT WEEK. FLORIDA COMBAM TWICE A YEAR AND HOSTING THE SUPER BOWL. CENTER MADE A DECISION AT THAT TIME TO BOOK EVENTS AND WORKING IN BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK AT TIMES. WE HAD TO PUSH SOME DELAY BARK FOR WORK BEING DONE. USE OF UNUSED CAPITAL FUND, THERE IS ABOUT 600,000 LEFT. WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT WE ACTUALLY USE THAT FOR THE THREE PROJECTS WE HAVE LISTED HERE, EXTERIOR LIGHTING PICTURE REPLACEMENT, REMAINING HVAC. WE HAVE NINE LEFT TO REPLACE IN THE FACILITY. A TOTAL OF 41. WE REPLACED 39 ALREADY. AND UPGRADE OUR ELECTRICAL SWITCH GEAR. $600,000 WILL NOT COVER ALL THREE ARE YOU WHATEVER IS LEFT OVER WE WILL HAVE IT IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, ONCE WE HAVE THE ASSESSMENT DONE FROM THE FACILITY. AND BENEFITS. THE HIGHLIGHT WHERE THE SHOW COMES INTO PLAY. EVERYONE WANTS A ONE OR ONE. IN THE CONVENTION INDUSTRY, YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET THE ONE TO ONE. 25,000 SQUARE FEET ALREADY YIELDED US 7.1 MILLION IN REVENUE AND BASED ON THE RENTAL AND CONTRACTED FROM 2024. CURRENTLY THE FURTHEST OUT WE HAVE A CONTRACT IS 2031. REALISTICALLY, THAT NUMBER GOES UP AS WE CONTINUE TO BOOK BUSINESS. INDUSTRY USED TO BE FOUR TO FIVE YEARS IN ADVANCE WE WOULD HAVE A CONTRACT. NOW DOWN TO TWO TO THREE YEARS. SO OUR NUMBERS WILL ALWAYS BE WITHIN THE TWO TO THREE-YEAR RANGE. THAT NUMBER SHOULD GO UP. OTHER ONE I LOOK AT WHICH IS HIGHLY IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY WHAT I CALL AN INDIRECT BENEFIT WHICH IS OUR ECONOMIC IMPACT. ON THE -- ON THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. SO BY MODERNIZING THE FACILITY, WE ULTIMATELY ARE ABLE TO ATTRACT HIGH LEVEL EVENTS THAT SPEND MORE MONEY IN OUR COMMUNITY. THIS YEAR TWO OF THE TOP TWO, NCAA TOURNEY COMING IN END OF APRIL, AMERICAN LEGION IN SUMMER AND LAST YEAR TSAL THAT CONTRACTED SPECIFICALLY AT THE CONVENTION CENTER FOR -- BECAUSE OF THE NEW ROOMS. NUMBERS ON SLIDES ARE THE ECONOMIC SPENDING IMPACTS. I SAW THAT LOOK FOR TSAL. IT IS TEACHING ENGLISH LANGUAGE -- TEACHING ENGLISH FOR SPEAKING -- OF SPEAKER OF OTHER LANGUAGES. THERE WE GO. THAT IS A MOUTHFUL. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, NOT ONLY THAT, WE HAVE TWO -- OUR TWO LARGE EVENTS ARE SOFT WEEK AND IVEX, THE INTERNATIONAL BOAT BUILDERS EXPOS. THOSE TWO SHOWS ARE GROWING YEAR-OVER-YEAR AND MAXIMIZING THE SPACE. YES WHEN THAT EXPANSION CAME IN, IT ALLOWED USES TO RETAIN THOSE EVENTS FOR A COUPLE MORE YEARS BEFORE WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO EXPAND. AND BRINGS IN ECONOMIC IMPACT. BED TAX, SALES TAX, PEOPLE IN OUR RESTAURANTS, BUYING SERVICES, BUYING FOOD, ALL THOSE THINGS. I PUT THE HIGHLIGHT FOR THE YEAR, THE ■ESTIMATED ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR '25 JUST TO GIVE A PERSPECTIVE IS $169 MILLION THAT OUR EVENTS BRING TO THE COMMUNITY. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT IS A CALENDAR YEAR NOT A FISCAL YEAR AND IT HAS THE FLUX OF IT. WE GET HVAC EFFICIENCY. WE HAVE OUR OWN CHILLED WATER PLANT BUT WON'T HAVE TO USE IT AS MUCH BECAUSE OF THE NEW UPGRADED HVAC AND IMPROVED A IT,A ACCESS TO THE RIVERWALK. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. BEFORE I OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR MISS COPESKY FOR PROVIDING A GREAT FORMAT FOR ME TO FOLLOW AND ADMINISTRATION TO GIVE ME A LOT OF INFORMATION SINCE HE WASN'T HERE. WHAT TO PUT IN. WHAT NOT TO PUT IN. AND THE FINANCIAL -- REVENUE AND FINANCE. ANY QUESTIONS? I'M HERE FOR YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, YOU HAD YOUR MICROPHONE ON. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, I AM SORRY. I WAS LISTENING TO INTENTLY. >> NO IT IT YOU . >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CLENDENIN AND HURTAK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ARE NOT USED TO PEOPLE AGREEING WITH YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT FROM YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A GOOD SEGUE, WHEN CAN WE EXPECT FOR TO YOU GO I HAVE A PLAN FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER. >> ONE IS THE FACILITY ASSESSMENT. THAT SHOULD BE READY TO GO IN MAY, PER COUNCILWOMAN'S REQUEST -- COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S REQUEST, WE WILL BRING THAT BACK TO INDIVIDUALS TO WE CAN REVIEW THAT AND ADD TO PRESENTATION. AND THEN PRESENT TO COUNCIL. HALFWAY THROUGH OUR FEASIBILITY STUDY WITH OUR CONSULTANTS. THEY FINISHED THE STAKEHOLDER AND THEY SHOULD HAVE A PRELIMINARY REPORT TO US BY THE END OF APRIL AND THE FULL-FLEDGED REPORT HOPEFULLY BY MAY IF NOT SOONER BASED ON WHAT COMES BACK FROM THE INDUSTRY. >> I THINK WE HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE DAYS OF OUR LIVES OF MOBILITY, ACCESS TO HARBOUR ISLAND. >> NO ISSUES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOTHING TO SEE HERE'S. I THINK AS YOU LOOK AT THIS EXPANSION AND POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES HERE, THAT WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT KEEPING THE TRAFFIC FLOWING UNDERNEATH THE CONVENTION CENTER. PEDESTRIAN ACCESS CROSSING. AND ACROSS FRANKLIN BETWEEN THE -- BETWEEN THE -- THE -- BETWEEN THE CONVENTION CENTER AND HARBOUR ISLAND. >> SORRY TO INTERRUPT. FOR CSL, WHAT WE TASKED THEM TO DO TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION FOR FUTURE EXPANSION HOW TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUES FRANKLIN STREET. DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY WE GO, A COUPLE OF OPPORTUNITIES TO SOLVE THE PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR ISSUES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON FRANKLIN STREET. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK YOU WILL END UP WITH A LOT MORE CITY COUNCIL SUPPORT IF -- AND MAYBE MORE EXPEDITIOUS CITY COUNCIL SUPPORT IF THOSE THINGS ARE FACTORED IN AND WE ARE ABLE TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC FLOW IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA AND THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY ISSUES. YOUR REQUEST FOR THE MONEY FOR THE CIP. IS THAT A MOTION YOU ARE ASKING FOR US FOR TODAY? >> JUST ASKING FOR OVERALL IF YOU GUYS WANT TO INCORPORATE THAT TO ME. THAT IS GREAT. MOVE IT TO SOMEWHERE ELSE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY, SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO AUTHORIZE THE MONEY TO BE SPENT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS? >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR WHICH FISCAL OTHER? NEXT FISCAL YEAR? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: UNUSED MONEY FROM THIS FISCAL YEAR. HE WANTS AUTHORIZATION TO SPEND IN THE CIP. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WILL BE ADMINISTRATIVE. WOULD NEED TO TALK TO THE ADMINISTRATION OF HOW TO DO THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BRING THAT FORTH AND OBVIOUSLY I AM SURE YOU WILL GET SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL. >> OKAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SORRY MICROPHONE WAS NOT ON. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HURTAK, CARLSON. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT WONDERFUL THOROUGH PRESENTATION. GLAD WE CAME IN UNDER AND YOU CAN PUT MONEY TO OTHER THINGS. I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. I WOULD SUPPORT YOU IN THAT KNOWING THAT WE ONLY HAVE A FEW MORE AIR CONDITIONERS LEFT, LET'S JUST GET IT DONE. I KNOW WE TALKED OF THE FACT THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH THE STORMS. WITH HELENE AND SOME STORMWATER. SO WOULD THAT BE INCLUDED IN WHAT TO USE THAT -- THE EXTRA CAPITAL MONEY FOR? >> NO, THAT ACTUALLY GOES UNDER OUR INSURANCE. THAT IS COVERED AS A SEPARATE PIECE. AND WE CURRENTLY ARE ABLE TO -- WE NEED FOR STARTERS FOR OUR CHILL WATER UNITS. WE ARE ABLE TO ORDER ONE AND HAVE IT IN. AND INSTALLED AND READY TO GO SO THE RENTAL UNIT IS GONE AND THE OTHER THREE HAVE BEEN ORDERED. THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING FIXED. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU TALKED OF HAVING A FENCE A LA TGH. STILL A CONFIGURATION. >> WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY COME OUT TO SEE IF THAT IS FEASIBLE FOR US. A TIGER DAM THEY PUT ON THE PUMP STEAKS ACROSS THE STREET FROM US. GAVE US THE INSPIRATION RAKES IF THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO. OUR CHIEF MAINTENANCE ENGINEER IS LOOK AT IT TO SEE IF WE CAN USE THAT OR THERE WILL BE A ANOTHER SOLUTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHATEVER EXPANSION YOU DO NEXT, THAT IS NUMBER ONE ON MY LIST FOR YOU. BECAUSE THAT KEEPS YOU RUNNING. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO IF THERE IS MONEY LEFT AFTER THOSE THREE ITEMS, THAT IS WHERE I WOULD VOTE TO PUT IT. FOLLOWING COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, I KNOW WE TALKED BRIEFLY THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE -- OR THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE RATHER -- I'M HERE ALL THE TIME -- ABOUT THE BRICKYARD AND POSSIBLY DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN THAT AREA WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EXPANSION AND POSSIBLY GETTING RID OF SOME OF THE CAR TRAFFIC, AND TO HELP THAT FRANKLIN STREET AREA. I WILL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THAT WITH ANY TYPE OF IDEAS -- PROPOSALS COMING FORWARD. THEN -- I THINK -- I HAD ONE MORE THING AND I DON'T. I DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE -- OH, THAT IS WHAT IT WAS. SO BASED ON GETTING THIS MONEY, BRINGING IT BACK IN, WHEN DO WE THINK WE WILL BE KIND OF -- WE WILL BE CLEAR OF THE -- WHEN DO WE BASICALLY GET OUR MONEY BACK FROM $ 44 MILLION? WHEN DO YOU BELIEVE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE COULD RECOUP THAT? >> TOUGH QUESTION. BECAUSE BUSINESS IS CYCLICAL. OUR CLIENTS HAVE CHOICES TO GO TO. NOT LIKE THEY ONLY COME HERE. REALISTICALLY, WE ARE PROBABLY LOOKING AT A 15 TO 20-YEAR RETURN IF YOU DO IT ON THAT RENTAL COMPONENT BUT WE ARE NOT ABLE TO FACTOR IN WHEN YOU HAVE THAT SPACE YOU HAVE INCREASED UTILITY USAGES, EX-PUNTURES ON FOOD AND BEVERAGE AND THAT COMES BACK INTO THE CITY AS WELL. AND MINIMIZE THE 15 YEARS. BUT REALISTICALLY WHAT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON IS ECONOMIC IMPACT, BECAUSE REALISTICALLY IF THE $25 MILLION GOES AWAY FROM SOFT WEEK AND LIVEX THAT NOW SEVERELY HINDERS SALES TAX, BED TAX. LIKE I SAID, THAT IS WHY IT IS NOT A ONE OR ONE WHEN I MADE THE COMMENT. NOT NECESSARILY ONE FOR ONE. WE SPENT X AND WE ARE GOING TO GET Y BACK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU DON'T ESTIMATE A TIME WHEN THE CONVENTION CENTER WILL GENERATE A SURPLUS THAT CAN BE MOVED TO OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY. >> NOT REALLY, THE SHEER FACT THE WAY STRUCTURE IS SET UP, OUR EXPENDITURE BUDGET IS EQUAL BECAUSE I TAKE CARE OF OUR MAINTENANCE PORTION AND COMES OUT OF THE REVENUE. ANYTHING FOR GENERAL FUND SOMETHING ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND WITH CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BECAUSE SOMETHING I CAN'T AFFORD TO BE ABLE TO PULL OUT OF. BUT I HAVE GIVEN MONEY BACK. I WILL SAY THAT. LAST YEAR GAVE $800,000 BACK TO THE CITY AND MANAGE OUR EXPENDITURES AND GET A LITTLE BIT MORE ON REVENUE. >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY. THANK YOU. HOPEFULLY THE NEXT QUESTION WILL HAD BEEN SOFTBALL. BUT FORMER MAYOR BUCKHORN IN THE MEDIA SAID WE AS THE RAA BOARD HAVE WASTE MONEY INVESTING IN CITY-OWNED FACILITIES. AND SAID THE NONPROFITS THAT SUPPORT THE CITY-OWNED FACILITIES AND WE SHOULD BE SPENDING CRA AND OTHER MONEY TO SUBSIDIZE DEVELOPERS WITH THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND THE AD VALOREM TAXES. BESIDE ECONOMIC IMPACT. I WENT TO GRAD SCHOOL TO SHOOT HOLES IN ECONOMIC NUMBERS. ASIDE FROM ECONOMIC IMPACT, WHY IT IS IMPORTANT FOR A CITY TO HAVE A CONVENTION CENTER AND INVEST IN A CONVENTION CENTER. WHY SHOULD THE CONSTITUENTS CARE. >> WHETHER WE AGREE OR DISAGREE ON THE PHILOSOPHICAL OF ECONOMIC IMPACT. HAVING MONEY COME TO THE COMMUNITY IS A FAR BETTER BENEFIT THAN NOT. WE ARE NOT A NATURAL DRAW. WHEN I SAY A NATURAL DRAW, NOT TRYING TO COMPARE TAMPA TO ATLANTA, DISNEY, UNIVERSAL. A NATURAL DRAW FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND ON VACATION AND SPEND THE MONEY THERE. OUR FRIENDS IN CLEARWATER AND ST. PETE HAVE A BEACH TO GO THROUGH. ONE WAY TO BRING THAT IN HAVING A CONVENTION CENTER AND HAVING OUTSIDE BUSINESS. FOR US AT THE CENTER, WE ARE HERE NOT TO MAKE A PROFIT. NOT A DEVELOPER TRYING TO BUILD A HOTEL. I'M HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FOLKS IN WATER STREET WHO HAVE RESTAURANTS HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME TO THEM AND HAVE JOBS. THAT IS THE MANY POINT I HAVE FOR IT. >>BILL CARLSON: HAVE YOU BEEN -- THIS IS A PHILOSOPHICAL COMPANY. HAVE YOU TRACKED COMPANY THAT COME TO CONVENTIONS AND INVEST IN CONTINUE. USED AS AN ECONOMIC TOOL AT ALL. I WOULD HAVE TO REACH OUT TO VISIT TAMPA BAY. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU ONLY HAVE BEEN IN CHARGE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT LONG HISTORY. >> PAST PRECEDENCE ORLANDO. THE AMUSEMENT PARK LEFT THEIR HEADQUARTERS KZ TO MOVE TO ORLANDO BECAUSE IT WAS IN ORLANDO. THERE IS A TRACK RECORD OF CERTAIN AGENCIES TO MOVE IF YOU HAVE THAT COMMUNITY SUPPORT. >>BILL CARLSON: IN CASE IT IS NOT CLEAR, I THINK IT IS GOOD IDEA TO HAVE A CONVENTION CENTER AND COMPETITIVE FOR THE REASONS YOU MENTIONED AND MORE. AND I THINK IT IS AS GOOD INVESTMENT. JUST LIKE I THINK IT IS AS GREAT INVESTMENT FOR CRA TO INVEST IN OTHER CITY-OWNED FACILITIES. ONE LAST QUESTION THAT MAY BE SLIGHTLY TOUGHER. CONVENTION CENTER THAT ASKED FOR THE ARE HE HAD LIGHT AT GRECO PLAZA. >> THE DICK GREKSCO BOULEVARD. >> THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT IS TRYING TO HAVE RED LIKE AT GRECO PLAZA. THE CONVENTION CENTER -- >> THE ONE I SUPPORTED WAS STREET AND FRANKLIN BECAUSE THAT IS A NATURAL CHALLENGE FOR US WHEN IT COMES TO -- WHETHER IT IS JUST THE CONVENTION CENTER OR NEWS AT THE MARRIOTT THAT HAPPENS. THAT IS A CRITICAL INTERSECTION FOR US. AND FROM -- I WILL SAY A NONPOLITICAL STANDPOINT, WE WILL DO WHATEVER IT DECIDED FROM BOTH THE COMMUNITY AND MOBILITY. WE ARE JUST TRYING TO BE GOOD PARTNERS AND MAKE SURE OUR PEDESTRIANS ARE SAFE, OUR TRAFFIC IS SAFE, AND I DON'T GET CALLS FROM EVERYBODY WHO SIT THERE AND SAY THE STREET IS BLOCKED UP BECAUSE TRAFFIC IS HORRIBLE. >>BILL CARLSON: A SKY BRIDGE THAT GOES OVER THE EMBASSY SUITES. DO MANY PEOPLE USES THAT? >> IT WAS BUILT AND OPERATED BY EMBASSY SUITES. THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. IT IS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACCESS TO THE STREET LEVELS TO GET TO THE STAIRS AND OWNER OPERATOR OF A HOTEL. I WOULDN'T WANT THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO GO UP AN OVER. >>BILL CARLSON: APPRECIATE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HENDERSON, MIRANDA. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MY QUESTION IS EASY SO DO CHARLIE FIRST. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE YOUR SINCERITY, FORWARDNESS AND EXPLANATION. MORE IMPORTANTLY CONVENTION CENTER ARE A FACILITY TO BRING MONEY FOR OTHER PEOPLE IN A WAY. YOUR JOB TO MAKE SURE IT IS DONE RIGHT, APPROPRIATELY AND NOT LOSE ANY OF THE CITY'S MONEY. WHAT WE HAVE DONE HERE -- NOT WE, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE. YOU TALK OF ORLANDO AND CHICAGO AND ATLANTA, THOSE -- THOSE CONVENTION CENTERS ARE FIVE TIMES LARGER THAN OURS, AM I CORRECT? >> A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, BUT SURE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T WANT TO KNOCK DOWN MY CITY THAT BAD. SEVEN OR EIGHT, OR FIVE OR SIX TIMES BIGGER THAN US. BUT WE DO WHAT WE DO. WE ARE A B CONVENTION CENTER COMPARED TO THE SIZES -- THEY HAVE DIFFERENT SIZES. >> NEVER LETTER BY LETTER. ALL BY TIER. TIER ONE, TIER TWO. WE ARE A TIER TWO CITY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TWO, I WOULD IMAGINE WE ARE ONE OF THE SUCCESSFUL CONVENTION CENTERS IN THE COUNTRY. >> WE ARE. WE PULL OUR OWN WEIGHT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T TALK TO YOU. I DON'T TALK TO ANYONE. WHEN YOU CAN'T GET OUT OF THAT. YOU SEE PEOPLE HAPPY WALKING THE STREETS OF DOWNTOWN TAMPA AND AT NIGHT GOING YBOR CITY AND SPEND THEIR MONEY AND CONVENTION CENTER AND WALK AROUND WATER STREET AND DO THE THINGS THEY HAVE TO DO, THAT THEY WANT TO DO, IT IS A WHEN-WIN FOR EVERYONE. AND -- AND I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT OTHER ENTITIES SAY WITHOUT US, YOU CAN'T DO IT. WE ARE MORE THAN LIKELY ONE AND TWO IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY IN HOTEL OCCUPANCY. AM I CORRECT, SORT OF? >> OR OCCUPANCY RATE FOR THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE, WE ARE IN THE TOP FOR THE COMPETITIVE SET. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT IS BECAUSE IN PART -- NOT ALL OF IT -- THE CONVENTION CENTER PEOPLE COME TO HAVE CONVENTION. THEY RENT HOTEL ROOMS AND RENT BALLROOMS AND DO ALL KIND OF THINGS. THEREFORE, YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT THING NOT ONLY FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, BUT FOR THE REGION, INCLUDING THE SALES TAX THAT THE STATE COLLECTS MOST OF IT FOR THEMSELVES. SO WE -- WE HAVE DONE -- WE -- WHEN I SAY "QUESTION" I MEAN YOU, NOT ME. WHAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM HAS DONE IS CONTINUE TO BETTER THE CONVENTION CENTER. YOU HAVE TO CHANGE EVER SO MANY YE YEARS. RESTAURANT BUSINESS OVER EIGHT TO TEN YEARS. IF YOU DON'T CHANGE THE INSIDE OF IT. THEY EAT WITH THEIR EYES AND TASTE WITH THE MOUTH. YOU SEE RESTAURANT NOT CHANGING, YOU ARE SAYING WHY AM I HERE FOR. IMMACULATE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE AND THAT PLACE IS IMMACULATELY CLEAN. I DON'T KNOW WHO DOES IT BUT THEY DO A FANTASTIC JOB. >> THEY DO. I WILL SHARE THAT WITH THEM. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU CAN LOOK DOWN AND SEE THE FACE ON THE FLOOR. NOT MINE BECAUSE I AM BALD AND THE GLARE BOTHERS ME. ALL OF THESE THINGS ON YOUR SIDE AND WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. YOUR TEAM ALONG WITH VISIT TAMPA BAY. CAN'T BELIEVE WE HAVE CONVENTIONS COMING FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. WE DON'T HAVE CIGAR MAKERS ANYMORE. SO THEY CAN'T GO SEE A CIGAR FACTORY OPERATION. WHAT WE HAVE IS THE ENTITY CITY OF TAMPA WITH DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT PEOPLE COME TO SEE AND THEY LOVE IT. ZOO TAMPA AQUARIUM, BOTH -- OVER A MILLION PERSONS THE BLAST TWO YEARS IN A ROW. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN BEFORE. IF I RECALL THAT. AND WHEN THEY WERE OPEN, THEY WERE BOTH STRUGGLING AND DOING THE BEST. EN LARGING THE PLACE. CREATING OTHER THINGS. YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ATMOSPHERE TO SUCCEED AND YOUR OPERATION HAS TO HAVE A BETTER OPERATION FOR THEM TO SUCCEED. IF YOU HAVE A PARTNERSHIP LIKE THAT, EVERYBODY GETS A LITTLE PIECE OF THAT DOLLAR BILL, AND EVERYBODY IS HAPPY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CHARLIE, HOW SO YOU SPELL C-GAR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DEPENDS IN EAST YBOR CITY AND CITY. I KNEW SOMEBODY LIKE YOU WOULD BRING IT UP, SO HE WAS PREPARED. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY. I AM JUST CURIOUS AND TRIGGERED IN MY HEAD WHEN YOU SAID THE LOCAL STAKEHOLDER MEETING. EXACTLY WHO DOES THAT INVOLVE. LOCAL STAKEHOLDERSES. >> VISIT TAMPA BAY. HOTELIERS. MOST OF THE DEVELOPERS FOR HOTELS. THAT COMPONENT -- YOU KNOW ME I AM VERY TRANSPARENT AND I CAN'T HIDE BEHIND IT. WE NEED ADDITIONAL HOTEL ROOMS. WHEN IT COMES TO EXPANSION ADDITIONAL WHO HOTEL SPACE. WE HAVE TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION OTHER DEVELOPERS AND WHAT THEIR RESPONSE AND IF THEY ARE SUPPORTED. AT THE MOMENT, THEY ARE ALL FOR IT BECAUSE WE ARE LIMITED FOR SPACE FOR HOTEL ROOM CAPACITY. THAT LOCAL STAKEHOLDER PIECE FROM THE FEASIBILITY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MARKET IS THERE. WE MOVE TO THE EXPANSION, WE INVOLVE MORE OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY FOR POTENTIAL DESIGN, LOCATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I ASK. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A QUICK QUESTION. AS I RECALL, THE EMBASSY SUITES WAS BUILT TO BUILD A SECOND TOWER ON TOP OF THAT. >> YOU ARE CORRECT. >>BILL CARLSON: POTENTIAL CAPACITY THERE. >> CORRECT. >>BILL CARLSON: RENDERING THAT SPECULATED PUTTING A HOTEL ON TOP OF THE CONVENTION CENTER BUT JUST ACROSS THE STREET, THERE IS SPACE AS WELL. >> PRIVATE ENTITY THAT OWNS THE EMBASSY, YES. IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR IT FROM US. THERE IS STILL A LACK OF ROOM CAPACITY FROM THAT BUILDING. YOU STILL -- REALISTICALLY FOR COMMUNITY WE PROBABLY NEED 8,000 TO 1,000 ADDITIONAL ROOM NIGHTS TO TRULY BE SUCCESSFUL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BRANDON CAMPBELL. MOBILITY TO EXPLAIN WHY DOWNTOWN TRAFFIC PLAN IS NOT BEING FOLLOWED. NO, TALKED TO COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. YOU SAID YOU WERE GOOD ON 68. >>LUIS VIERA: YES I AM. THANK YOU. IF I MAY. LIKE I SAID WE ARE GOOD ON THAT AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK ON STAFF ON THAT FOR PEPPIN AND LISA BONNER, FORMER TAMPA POLICE OFFICER. GREAT -- GOOD WORK. APPRECIATE YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE DOWNTOWN TRAFFIC PLAN NOT BEING FOLLOWED AS ALLEGED BY DOWNTOWN PROPERTY OWN OWNERS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, BRANDON CAMPBELL, MOBILITY DEPARTMENT. I SUBMITTED A MEMO THAT EXPLAINS IN GENERAL WHAT THE PROCESS FOR THE DOWNTOWN TRAFFIC CONTROL FOR -- FOR SPECIAL EVENTS. WE DO PUT FORTH ATTRACT CONTROL PLAN THAT TPD IMPLEMENTS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS AND THEN ADJUSTMENTS CAN BE MADE ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, YOU MADE THE MOTION. >>BILL CARLSON: ARGUE AGAINST THE ISSUE, NOT AGAINST YOU. APPRECIATE YOU COMING UP BEFORE US. TRAFFIC IN DOWNTOWN WAS TERRIBLE. MENTIONED THAT YESTERDAY IT TOOK ME AN HOUR TO GET FROM GANDY DOWN BAYSHORE AND CROSSTOWN AND OTHER METHOD -- TOOK ME AN HOUR TO GET FROM GANDY TO YBOR CITY. IF THERE IS ONE EVENT OR EVEN MORE THAN ONE EVENT DOWNTOWN, IT IS COMPLETELY JAMMED. ONE OF THE RBS, I HAVE EXPLAINED TO OTHER STAFF MEMBERS IS THE OTHER TURN LANE -- THE RIGHT-TURN LANE IS BLOCKED BECAUSE THE -- THE TRAFFIC PLAN IS NOT FOLLOWED. EVEN VIK SAID IF THE POLICE AND EVERYONE JUST FOLLOWED THE LIGHTS AND SIGNALING AND DIDN'T LET A CONSTANT STREAM OF PEDESTRIANS, THAT IT WOULD CLEAR IT UP. THE PROBLEM IS, BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T TURN RIGHT, THE LEFT LANES ON THE CONVENTION CENTERS ARE OPEN. BUT BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T TURN RIGHT MOSTLY TO GO TO HARBOUR ISLAND, IT IS BACKED UP ALMOST EVERY DAY TO HOWARD AVENUE. AND YESTERDAY WAS BACKED UP -- ALSO A SIGNALING PROBLEM ON BAY TO BAY ON BAYSHORE. BACKED UP ALL THE WAY TO GANDY YESTERDAY. WE GOT TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. AND I HAVE TALKED TO EXPERTS. I TALKED TO OTHER MAJOR PLAYERS DOWNTOWN. I TALKED TO HARBOUR ISLAND. AND THEY WANT -- EVERYBODY AGREES TO A -- TO ATTRACT PLAN. AND SOMEHOW WE NEEDS TO ENFORCE IT. AND I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW EITHER THE PLAN IS NOT WORKING, OR IT IS BEING HAPHAZARDLY IMPLEMENTED. I WAS AT AN EVENT THE AMALIE ARENA. AND STARTED HEADED SOUTH TO GET OUT, THE POLICE REDIRECT MY -- A BLOCK LATER DIRECT ME BACK T TO AMALIE ARENA AND I HAD TO GO BACK AROUND AGAIN. WE ARE A LARGE CITY. AND WE SHOULD OPEN THE ROADS. WE SHOULDN'T CLOSE ROADS AT ALL, MAYBE WITHIN ONE OR THREE BLOCKS. BUT SHOULDN'T BE BLOCKING DOWNTOWN. OTHER BIG CITIES DON'T DO THAT. AND I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A BETTER -- I BROUGHT THUMB THREE OR FOUR TIMES TO CITY COUNCIL. NOTHING IS HAPPENING. LIKE I SAID, SEVERAL TIMES BROUGHT UP. UP TALKED TO STAKEHOLDERS DOWNTOWN. NO BECAUSE OF THE CUMBERLAND GARAGE WASN'T BUILT BECAUSE NOT PLANNED TO BUILT. NOT BECAUSE PRECIOUS SIGNAGE PROGRAM WAS NOT APPROVED BECAUSE MODERN-DAY EVENTS GOING BACK TEN YEARS. PEOPLE REBOOKED THEIR PARKING GOING TO PLACES LIKE AMALIE AROEHN THAT. SHOULD BE VERY FEW PEOPLE SHOWING UP AT THE CONVENTION CENTER HAPHAZARDLY LOOKING FOR PARKING. BECAUSE THAT SIGNAL AT FRANKLIN STREET IS NOT CONTROLLED PROPERLY. WHAT IS THE NEXT ONE, NEXT STREET, FLORIDA. THAT SUN WITH NOT BEING CONTROLLED. CAN'T GET TO THE PAM IORIO BAR CAN RAJ AND TURN RIGHT TO GET TO HARBOUR ISLAND. THIS IS A CRY CITIES IN ON OUT COMMUNITY. NOT TALKING TO YOU ABOUT YOU TALKING TO THE TV THAT I HOPE THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND MAYOR DOES SOMETHING. THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT I GET OF POT HOLY BUT CATCHING QUICKLY ARE TRAFFIC JAMS .PEOPLE ARE STUCK IN TRAFFIC. DOING THAT FOREVER ON 275. EVERY TIME THEY EXPAND IT, IT GETS FILLED UP AGAIN. HAPPENING ALL THROUGHOUT OUR ARTERIAL ROADS. WE GOT -- WE GOT TO FIX THIS SHOWER. AND THERE IS NOT -- WE CAN'T PUT IN RAIL AND BUSES RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NO MONEY TO DO THAT. BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS FIX THIS TRAFFIC JAM IN DOWNTOWN BY NOT HAPHAZARDLY SHUTTING DOWN THE ROADS. AND GOING TO MAKE ANY OTHER MOTION ON THIS RIGHT NOW, BUT I APPEAL THAT CONSTITUENTS ARE WATCHING STARTING TO SEND E-MAILS TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE THE MAYOR. YOU GOT TO FIX THIS. WE HAVE MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH MOBILITY. GRIDLOCK ALL OVER THE CITY. POTHOLES ALL OVER THE CITY. ROADS FALLING APART. THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND MOAT BUILT ARE SPENDING TIME ARGUE BEING RED LIGHT ON FRANKLIN STREET. SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ENGINEERS TO FIGHT THE CITY OVER A RED LIGHT WE DON'T NEED, THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WE DON'T NEED. AND -- AND INSTEAD, THEY SHOULD BE FIXING THESE PROBLEMS. TELL THE POLICE WHO ARE THERE TO OPERATE THE PLAN. TELL THEM NOT TO SHUT DOWN THE ROAD HAPHAZARDLY. GO TO NO NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL. SOME OF THE WORST ROADS EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY. IT IS RIDICULOUS THIS IS HAPPENING. WE GOT TO PRIORITIZE. AGAIN, I WOULD APPEAL TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF. PLEASE STEP IN. WE GOT TO REORGANIZE. YOU KNOW WE HAVE MORALE ISSUES AND STAFFING ISSUES SINCE THE LADIES TESTIFIED. A FLOOD OF FORMER EMPLOYEES. I KNOW 12 OF THE SENIOR MANAGERS OF THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT HAVE LEFT BECAUSE THEY ARE UNHAPPY WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE BEING RUN. THE COMMUNITY IS UNHAPPY WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE RUNNING. WHEN IS THE MAJOR GOING TO CHANGE IT. PUBLIC IS FED-UP. NOT DIRECTING FOR YOU. THANK YOU FOR STANDING IN FRONT OF US AND I HOPE THAT YOU CONTINUE TO HELP US IN THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT, BUT SYSTEMIC ISSUES THAT WE NEED LEADERSHIP IN THE CITY. NOT CITY COUNCIL'S PLACE. ALL WE CAN DO IS ASK. WE ARE GETTING HIT BY HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CLENDENIN. CLENDENIN YOU MAKE IT DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW. I WAS GOING TO SAY I I AGREE HE WITH THE BILL FOR 100% AND THEN YOU PIVOTED. COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, THE ISSUE HE SPEAK OF DOWNTOWN, HE IS 100% CORRECT. IT IS DIFFICULT SITTING ON CITY COUNCIL AS HE SO -- AS HE OUT IT, WE DON'T RUN THE CITY BUT SOMETHING ROCK. AND I HAVE ACTUALLY STOPPED MY CAR AT LEAST TWO TIMES AND SPOKE TO THE POLICE OFFICER AT THE CORN OF FRANKLIN -- WHAT IS IT -- PLAT? IS IT PLAT? FRANKLIN AND PLATT. YOU WOULD THINK THAT I DIDN'T LIVE ANOTHER FOR 40 SOMETHING YEARS. WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? THEY HOLD UP TRAFFIC. CAUSE THE BACK-UP. AGAIN, IF THEY -- IF TH THEY CORRALL PEOPLE, LET THEM GO WITH THE LIGHTS, THINGS WILL MOVE. BUT THEY DON'T. IT IS PROBLEMATIC. ON TOP OF THAT COMING OFF THE CROSSTOWN AT MORGAN, THEY FORCE PEOPLE TO MAKE THE RIGHT TURN NORTHBOUND PUTTING THEM BACK INTO THE DOWNTOWN TAMPA TRAFFIC COMPOUNDING THE PROBLEM UP STEAD OF LETTING TRAFFIC GO ON THE ONE OPINION WAY STREET STRAIGHT AHEAD. AND NO SIGNAGE ON THE CROSSTOWN INDICATING THAT YOU CAN'T GO OFF AND GO STRAIGHT. AGAIN, THEY FORCE INTO DOWNTOWN WHICH BACKS UP KENNEDY AND ALL THESE CROSS STREETS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON AND IS THIS A TAMPA PD ISSUE. A MOBILITY ISSUE. SOME LEVEL OF INCOMPETENCE THAT IS ABSOLUTELY DRIVING ME CRAZY WHEN I WITNESS IT EVERY SINGLE DAY. JUST LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. I AM -- WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM? COMING FROM MOBILITY OR TAMPA PD? >> WE WORK WITH TP IN CONCERT ON THE TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN. AND SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO THE ISSUE OF THE RAMP ON TO BRREIN. HISTORICALLY, THAT THROUGH MOVEMENT HAS BEEN CLOSED OFF. FAIRLY RECENTLY, WE HAVE BEEN OPENING THAT BACK UP. THAT IS ONE OF THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT HAVE COME OUT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO AM COMING FROM EAST TO WEST, COMING OFF THE CROSSTOWN, AND -- WHERE THEY MAKE YOU TURN RIGHT ON TO MORGAN IS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? >> YES CLENDENIN CLENDENIN YOU ARE KEEPING THAT OPEN? >>. >> YES, CORRECT CLENDENIN CLENDENIN I CURSE YOU OUT EVERY TIME I GET ON THAT CROSSTOWN. >> THAT IS OUR COOPERATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK SAY I HAD SOMETHING ABOUT TO THE CHIEF AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND VIK. AS COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON SAID THAT INTERSECTION AT FRANKLIN AND PLATT. IT IS A MESS. AND SEEMS PAINFULLY OBVIOUS THAT IT IS AN -- IT IS AS CONTROL ISSUE THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE RESOLVED. BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE -- WHEN YOU HAVE THAT IMPACT, BACKING TRAFFIC DOWN BAYSHORE, YOU KNOW, PAST ROME OR MORE, I MEAN, CLEARLY YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG. BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT IS A ONE-WAY STREET. TRAFFIC IS ABLE TO FLOW ON A ONE-WAY STREET. AND YOU HAVE CYCLE LIGHTS. AS COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON SAID, USED THE CYCLE OF LIGHTS. AT LEAST IT SHOULD BE FLOWING, INSTEAD OF JUST COMPLETE GRIDLOCK. >> AT THAT INTERSECTION, I THINK YOU KNOW WE DID CHANGE THE PHASING AND REDUCED THE CROSSING TIME ACROSS THAT SOUTH LAKE, AND ADDED THE RIGHT TURN ARROW. THERE IS STILL A COMPLIANCE COMPONENT TO THAT MAYBE IS NOT ALWAYSING FOLLOWED. WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME POSITIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT THAT CHANGE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WON'T GIVE YOU ONE POSITIVE FEEDBACK OF IT BECAUSE IT IS STILL A MESS. IT IS ABSOLUTELY -- IT SHOULDN'T BE ROCKET SCIENCE. IT IS -- AGAIN, I -- I NEVER STOP. I NEVER CRITICIZE PEOPLE BECAUSE I AM A BIG SUPPORTER OF THE TAMPA PD. BUT I SAID, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? THIS IS RIDICULOUS. IT IS JUST -- I SIT HERE AND WATCH THIS. I WAS SITTING THERE IN THE LEFT LANE AND WATCH WHAT THEY ARE DOING, AND I AM GOING, IT IS TERRIBLE. JUST TERRIBLE. TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MIRANDA AND HURTAK. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU. KNOW I AM A LITTLE DIFFERENT. IN FACT I AM A LOT DIFFERENT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT ATTRACT PROBLEM, WHAT CAUSED IT? IT AIN'T THE CARS. IT IS NOT THE INTERSECTION. IT IS NOT THE POTHOLE. SO WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE. IT IS NOT A HARD THING TO FIGURE OUT. JUST YESTERDAY I WAS IN TOWN AND COUNTRY ABOUT 5:15, 5:20, I STARTED HEADED EAST. ON HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE. BY THE TIME I GOT TO THE SECOND RUNWAY TO THE EAST OF TAMPA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, FROM THERE TO HABANA WHICH CAN'T BE MORE THAN THREE HOURS, IT TOOK ME 42 MINUTES TO GET THERE. YOU KNOW WHY? IT WASN'T THE PEOPLE. IT WASN'T THE CARS. IT WAS THE TRAFFIC. WHAT WAS THE POPULATION OF THE CITY OF TAMPA 15 YEARS AGO? WHAT WAS IT FIVE YEARS AGO? WHAT WAS IT THREE YEARS AGO? HOW MANY CARS -- YOU CAN'T LOOK AT TAMPA, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING GEOGRAPHICAL AREA OF ST. PETE. WHY DO YOU THINK BUILT A NEW BRIDGE -- THE HOWARD FRANK LAND, BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO BUILD IT? I KEPT SAYING IF YOU EXTEND THE FREEWAY, DON'T WORRY, YOU WILL LIVE IT. AND WON'T CHANGE EVERYONE'S HABIT UNTIL YOU MAKE THEM DO IT. THAT IS THE PROBLEM WE HAVE. IT IS NOT THE CARS BUT THE PEOPLE THANK HAVE COME IN TO PASCO, PINELLAS COUNTY, BRADENTON AND SARASOTA. ALL OF THAT AREA MOVES AROUND ON A DAILY BASIS. IT GETS THERE ON TOP OF THAT, YOU HAVE -- AND HAY IT TO TALK TO SCHOOLS ARE NOW -- WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL A BICYCLE OR WALK. NOW EVERYBODY DRIVES TO SCHOOL. THE PARENT DROPS OFF THE LITTLE KID AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. TALKING ABOUT WESTSHORE AND ALL THAT. JULIA AND WESTSHORE AND YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS THERE IN THE MORNING AND THE AFTERNOON WITH ONE OF THE NICEST FEMALE SCHOOLS IN THE COUNTRY LET'S OUT. YOU CAN'T GET IN. AND YOU CAN'T GET OUT. YOU DO THE SAME THING ON BOSS PRE AND ARMENIA. YOU DO THE SAME THING ON HIMES THE OTHER SCHOOL. YOU DO THE SAME THING WHERE EVERYBODY DRIVES. AND THE PROBLEM CAN BE NOT BE SAYING FIX IT. THE PROBLEM IS, HOW DO YOU FIX IT. NOT JUST YOU -- YOU ARE JUST A RAT TAKING A HEAT. I HATE TO TELL YOU LOST FOUR INCHES SIN YOU STARTED TALKING. LAUGH LAUGH BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND IT IS OUR PROBLEM. NOT YOUR PROBLEM. IT IS EVERYBODY'S PROBLEM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE HAVE GROWN SO FAST AND SO RAPIDLY THAT IT IS LIKE A GROWTH SPURT ON A TEENAGE THEIR CAN'T FIND HIS WAY TO PLAY BASKETBALL BECAUSE THE BODY IS SO BIG -- GREW UP AND SAILED OOH, I AM AN ALL AMERICA. THE SAME THING. YOU HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS AND DIFFERENT -- EVERYBODY WANTS A CAR. THAT IS WHAT LIFE IS. I AM NOT SAYING IT IS THE RIGHT THING, BUT I AM SAYING THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAVE OUTGROWN ALL OF OUR FACILITIES. AND LET ME TELL YOU ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE NEVER BROUGHT UP. YOU THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM NOW? WHAT ABOUT 30 TO 40 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN YOU RUN OUT OF WATER. 20 YEARS AGO, OUR POPULATION -- 30 YEARS AGO, POPULATION 250,000. NOW WE ARE SERVING NOT ONLY US BUT THE FED, THE STATE MADE US -- LINE GOING OUT TO THE COUNTY. WE HAVE OVER 700,000 ACCOUNTS OF 250. GUESS WHAT. IT WAS 82 MILLION GALLON THEN. A 82 GALLONS NOW. IF YOU HAVE A MINIATURE DROUGHT, YOU WILL BUY A LOT OF WATER. THAT IS ALL I AM GOING TO TELL YOU. NOT TELL FROM YOU WHERE AND HOW. AND THEY WILL SAY MIRANDA DID THIS ON PURPOSE. I AM BRINGING THE FACTS ARE THAT. THOSE ARE THE FACTS. YOU WANT TO SOLVE ATTRACT PROBLEM, TAKE 40% OF THE CARS OFF. THAT THE INCREASE YOU HAD. AND YOU SOLVE A PROBLEM. YOU WON'T WANT TO LIVE LONG, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO DRIVE A CAR. I UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU FACILITATE EVERYTHING THE BEST YOU CAN. WE HAVE EQUIPMENT THAT IS NOT LASERED IN. TWO CARS ARE IN. AND UNTIL WE GET FIVE CARS. WE DON'T HAVE NONE OF THAT EQUIPMENT I KNOW OF. I KNOW IT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT AND PUT IN ONE AREA. THOSE THINGS ARE NEEDED AND THOSE THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE. A BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL -- EVERYBODY INVENTS SOMETHING NEW AND BECOMES MULTIMILLIONAIRES AND WHAT MAKE IS ALL ABOUT. I WILL STOP NOW. THANK YOU FOR LET ME SPEAK, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. PROBLEM IS CARS. I DISAGREE, EVERYBODY WANTS A CAR. IF I COULD GET RID OF MY CAR TOMORROW, I WOULD. I KIND OF DO, BECAUSE I TAKE THE BUS EVERYWHERE AND HOP ON A BIKE. BUT THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS, IS THERE A TIME THAT WE CAN JUST SIMPLY TRY NOT PUTTING THE BARRIERS UP? LIKE ONE WEEKEND WHERE WE CAN GO, LET'S GIVE IT AGREE? >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM SERIOUSLY ASKING BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING. IS THERE A WAY WE CAN JUST TRY IT. AND THEN IF WE ARE WRONG, WE OWN UP AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD TO GIVE IT AGREE. >> I THINK I WOULD HAVE TO TALK TO TPD ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS ABOUT THAT. WE WORKED TO TRY TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF PRODUCT THAT IS PUT OUT. BUT, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF THOSE IMPLEMENTING AND ENFORCING IT AS WELL. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, WELL MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO HAVE IS TO HAVE MOBILITY AND TPD COMES IN. I THINK THAT JUST ONCE, LET'S GIVE IT A ONE-WEEK OR THREE DAY -- SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO SAY, OKAY, JUST PROVE US WRONG. BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE PUT SOME THINGS BACK THAT HAVE WORKED, AGAIN, I WOULD JUST -- WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT TPD HAS TO SAY ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE IF IT IS NOT JUST Y'ALL, CURIOUS WHAT THEY WILL HAVE TO SAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SEE WHAT I TO DO AVOID THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION IS I JUST WALK DOWN TO MAMALIE AND WALK TO THE COULD BE VENTUAL CENTER AND TAKE THE STREETCAR INTO YBOR. AND I DON'T SIT IN TRAFFIC, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS ME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: REFERENCE ABOUT TAKING CARS OFF THE STREETS. FOR THOSE OF US WHO SERVE ON TPO, THEY WILL TELL YOU IT IS A PRIORITIZATION ISSUE. WE HAD SUPPORT FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CITY OF TAMPA VOTE TO SPEND A HALF A BILLION DOLLARS TO ADD ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC BETWEEN HILLSBOROUGH STAND BEARSS. ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CARS WE CAN TAKE OFF THE ROADS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WITH HALF A BILLION WITH OTHER MIXED MODAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS? HALF A BILLION DOLLARS. THAT IS PART OF THE PROBLEM. WE SERVE WITH FOLKS THAT ARE BEHOLDEN TO AN OLD MODEL OF MOVING PEOPLE AROUND INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT NEW OPPORTUNITIES. I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT EVERY SINGLE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE FROM COHEN AND KEMP AT THE TIME AND THE THREE OF US SERVE ON PTO -- AND COMMISSIONER GWEN MYERS AS WELL. WE ALL VOTED AGAINST IT AND THE FOLKS FROM THE NONELECTED PEOPLE AND FOLKS FROM THE COUNTY COMMISSION VOTED IN FAVOR OF IT. AGAIN, A PRIORITIZATION ISSUE. I AM SORRY, I KNOW YOU ARE STANDING THERE TAKING ALL THE HEAT BECAUSE MOST OF THIS STUFF DOES NOT CONCERN YOU AND MY MOMENT TO PONTIFICATE OF YOU WITH THAT. AS ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, WE BALANCE OUT THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF GOOD FOR THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE. WHAT WOULD THE CITY -- AND AM I ABSOLUTELY OPPOSED TO PUTTING LANE OF TRAFFIC. NO. WE HAVE TO BALANCE OUT. GIVE ME A HALF A BILLION. WHERE ON MY PRIORITY LIST WILL ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC BE WAY DOWN IN THE BOTTOM OF LIST. I WOULD HAVE FULFILLED 30 OTHERS THINGS BEFORE HE SPENT HALF A BILLION DOLLARS TO ADD ONE DAMN LANE OF TRAFFIC ON TO I-275 BETWEEN HILLS AND BEARSS. PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR THAT SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES AND INDICATION OF LACK OF RESPECT AND LACK OF UNDERSTANDING HOW WE MOVE PEOPLE WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY MORE? YES SIR? >>BILL CARLSON: JUST ONE LAST THING. I KNOW THE HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT IS ON VACATION. AND WELL DESERVED. BUT, YOU KNOW, HE HAS A BOSS. AND THE HEAD OF PUBLIC WORKS SHOULD BE HERE. AND I DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY INVITE TPD. AND I HAVE THE GREATEST RESPECT FOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS, BUT THEY NEED TO BE GIVEN DIRECTION BY SOMEBODY, BECAUSE THE PLAN THAT IS THERE THIS JUST NOT WORKING. AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE HEAD OF PUBLIC WORKS ISN'T HERE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE HEAD OF PUBLIC WORKS IS NOT FIXING THE PROBLEM. GO TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND MAYOR FOR GO AHEAD AND FIX THIS DEPARTMENT. I AM TO THE POINT I WILL STOP VOTING FOR ANY NEW FUNDING FOR ANY PROBLEMS FOR MOBILITY UNTIL SOMEBODY FIXES PROBLEM IN MOBILITY. THIS IS A HUGE SYSTEMIC ISSUE. WE HAVE APPARENTLY GOT TO START MAKING SOME BIG DECISIONS TO GET -- GET MOVEMENT HERE. THE PUBLIC IS NOT HAPPY AT ALL. AND WE HAVE GOT-TO-FIX THIS. AGAIN, IT IS NOT YOUR ISSUE, BUT JUST IN GENERAL, THE MAYOR AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF HAVE SAID STOP FIGHTING US. STOP FIGHTING NEIGHBORHOODS ON SOMETHING LIKE A RED LIGHT AND START DEMANDING THAT -- THAT THE BETTER TRAFFIC PLAN BE MANAGED. TAKE YOU TO THE THESE PASSENGERS FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS. BIG CITIES DON'T DO THIS. WE ARE ACTING LIKE A SMALL TOWN IN THE WAY WE ARE MANAGING IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MUCH. OUR LAST ITEM ON THE AGE IS ABBYE FEELEY. TWO? WHICH IS THE OTHER ONE. SO, IT WAS TAKEN CARE OF. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT IS GONE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, YES, MISS FEELEY, GO AHEAD. >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. ABBYE FEELEY, ADMINISTRATOR FOR DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. I'M HERE WITH THE MONTHLY UPDATE ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE UPDATE. AND I AM -- I AM EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE PUBLIC ASSESSMENT OF THE CODE WENT OUT ON FEBRUARY 12. AND WHAT I PROVIDED FOR YOU TODAY IS -- IS A QUICK HANDOUT THAT HAS THE THEMES OF THAT ASSESSMENT. WHAT THE ASSESSMENT DOES IS IT LOOKED AT HOUR OUR CODE WAS WORKING AND HOW OUR CODE WAS NOT WORKING AND DEVELOPED A ROAD MAP FOR HOW THE UPDATE IS GOING TO GO. AND THAT IS THE PROJECT THEMES THAT ARE CONTAINED ON THE HANDOFF. THAT WILL SERVE AS A ROADMAP FOR HOW WE ARE MOVING FORWARD. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU PUT THAT ON THE -- >>ABBYE FEELEY: SURE. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN -- NO, WOLF. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAD A HAWK, A DOG AND A WOLF. FIELDS FEEL EACH MONTH THEY COME TO YOU. I GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE. WHAT IS GOING ON. THE ADVISORY TEAM DID MEET ON THE ASSESSMENT. THEY HAD TWO SEPARATE MEETINGS. I KNOW THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WAS PRESENT FOR BOTH OF THOSE. WHERE THEY PROVIDED FEEDBACK. AND THE -- AND OUR CONSULTANT TEAM DID MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS BEFORE THE ASSESSMENT THEN BECAME A PUBLIC DOCUMENT. BECAUSE THAT IS OUT NOW ON THE TAMPA FORWARD WEBSITE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE IS A SURVEY INSTRUMENT OUT THERE THAT GOES THEME BY THEME TO ASK THE PUBLIC FOR THEIR FEEDBACK. WE ARE NOW WORKING TO GET READY FOR THE NEXT PUBLIC MEETING WHICH WILL BE MARCH AT THE CITY CENTER FROM 7 TO 8:30. CLARION WILL BE PRESENTING. BUT REMEMBER AT MY MONTHLY UPDATE LAST MONTH, I HAD ASKED -- WE HAD HOPED THAT THE PUBLIC MEETING WAS GOING TO BE FE FEBRUARY. AND A PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL WITH CLARION ON FEBRUARY 6. HOWEVER, THE ADVISORY TEAM DID HAVE AN EXTRA MEETING AND PUSHED BECAUSE BACK A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF THAT IN ORDER TO ALLOW USES TO HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION ON THE ASSESSMENT. SO MARCH 3 WILL BE THE PUBLIC MEETING AT HANNAH. AND MARCH 6, CLARION WILL BE COMING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE A BRIEF 15 TO 20 MACHINE-MINUTE PRESENTATION TO BRING YOU INTO THE DISCUSSION OF WHERE WE ARE ON THIS CONTRACT AND THE CODE UPDATE. AND WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE. SO THE NEXT STEPS -- AND ON THE BACK OF THAT HAND OUT, THERE IS A TIMELINE. AND IT SHOWS YOU HERE WE ARE. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PUBLIC TOUCHPOINTS DURING THIS PROJECT. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE BEEN UPDATING THE WEB SITE. WE NOW DO A MONTHLY ANNOUNCEMENT ON THE WEBSITE. THIS MONTH, I AM THERE DOING A QUICK VIDEO ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO COME OUT TO THE MEETING. TELLING THEM WHAT THE ASSESSMENT IS ABOUT. SO WHEN WE -- THE NEXT STEP WILL BE THE CODE UPDATE. AND THAT WILL COME IN THREE DIFFERENT INSTALLMENTS AND EACH. AS YOU ALL KNOW OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS QUITE LARGE. AND IN THIS STREAMLINING AND REORGANIZATION, IT WILL COME IN THREE INSTALLMENTS. EACH OF THOSE INSTALLMENTS WILL GO TO THE ADVISORY TEAM AND GO TO THE PUBLIC AND THE SAME FORMAT THAT WE ARE DOING WITH THE ASSESSMENT AS WELL. SO ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS NOW UP ON THE TAMPA FORWARD PAGE AS WELL. AND WE ARE MOVING -- WE ARE MOVING FORWARD. WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING. SO FOR MARCH 6, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE IF WE MIGHT BE ABLE -- I THINK WHEN WE WERE COMING BACK ON FEBRUARY 6, YOU HAD GIVEN US AS TIME CERTAIN FOR THAT PRESENTATION. AND IF THAT IS POSSIBLE. AS YOU KNOW, CLARION IS ON CONTRACT WITH THE CITY AND I AM TRYING TO BE MINDFUL OF THE HOURS THAT THEY ARE PLANNING TO BE BE THERE. THEY WILL BE IN TOWN THAT MONDAY AND WILL BE IN TOWN THAT THURSDAY. THEY ARE WORKING ON OTHER CONTRACTUAL THINGS TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY AND I THINK WE HAVE DONE LIKE 10:30 ON FEBRUARY 6. BUT IF THAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. IF NOT -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU MEAN MARCH 6. >>ABBYE FEELEY: MARCH 6. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MARCH 6 AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THAT WILL BE GREAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THAT GOOD WITH COUNCIL. A MOTION FOR CLARION TO BE AVAILABLE RIGHT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT ON MARCH 6, WHICH A REGULAR MEETING. DO WE HAVE A SECOND CARLSON CARD SHE WAS SUGGESTING A TIME CERTAIN FOR 10:30. >>MARTIN SHELBY: TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR CALENDARS FOR THAT DAY. YOU HAVE A REVIEW HEARING SCHEDULE FOR 10:30. AND YOU HAVE ORDINANCES SCHEDULED FOR SECOND READING. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT IT IS ALREADY ON HERE. LAST THING UNDER STAFF REPORT. WE ARE ASKING IT TO BE MOVED UP. >>MARTIN SHELBY: CERTAINLY. HE UNDERSTAND -- FRANKLY, I WOULD THINK -- I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU WANT TO -- -- IF YOU SET IT FOR 10 D 30, TO CONFLICT WITH THE REVIEW HEARING. WOULD YOU PULL THIS FOR THE REVIEW HEARING OR DO THE REVIEWER HEARING. >>LYNN HURTAK: DIDN'T DO A TIME CERTAIN. AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TAKE CLARION FIRST AND GO TO THE REVIEW HEARING. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW LONG IT PRESENT. >>ABBYE FEELEY: 15 TO 20 MEN, YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REVIEW HEARING IF IT IS A LITTLE BIT AFTER THE FACT, THEN -- BECAUSE THEY -- THEY CHARGE US AS THEY WAIT. DON'T THEY GO BY THE HOUR OR WHATEVER? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I IMAGINE PUBLIC WILL WANT TO COMMENT. DO IT PRIOR TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND GIVE THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: ONLY THING WE HAVE THREE PRESENTATIONS. WE WILL HAVE TO ASK FOR ONE OF THOSE PRESENTATIONS TO THE MOVED. PLAYER OF THE MONTH, FIRE FIGHTER OF THE QUARTER AND PURCHASING DEPARTMENT CELEBRATING PURCHASING MONTH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN WE MOVE PURCHASING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA'S MOTION. MOVE IT TO ANOTHER DATE COMPLETELY? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YEAH, WE CAN MOVE THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: TO THE 27th. WE HAVE ROOM ON THE 27th. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEW BUSINESS. DO YOU WITH A TONIGHT MAKE THE MOTION NOW? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO RESCHEDULE THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT PURCHASING MONTH COMMENDATION FROM MARCH 6 AT 9 A.M. TO MARCH 27 AT 9 A.M. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FINE WITH ME. I GUESS SENDING -- SEND AN E-MAIL TO THEM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT SUR WHY MOTION. A SECOND. >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THAT OPENS THAT UP. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN, CAN WE HAVE THAT MOTION AGAIN? BECAUSE THAT MOTION MOVED COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA'S. >>LYNN HURTAK: FROM THE 6 TO THE -- SCHEEL SCHEEL MISS FEELEY, YOU ARE LAST ON THE STAFF REPORT. >>LYNN HURTAK: LET ME DO THAT. I WILL MOVE THE CLARION LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE REFORM PROCESS UPDATE TO THE 9 A.M. PRESENTATION FOR 15 TOO 20 MINUTES. >>ABBYE FEELEY: I WOULD NOT HAVE A CODE UPDATE FOR THAT YOU DAY, BECAUSE CLEARLY WE ARE GOING USE THAT TIME COLLAR I HAVE ITLY WITH CLARION TO PROVIDE THAT UPDATE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? YES. YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ADDING THE ASSESSMENT, THE PUBLIC ASSESSMENT. THE PUBLIC -- THE VERSION OF THE ASSESSMENT ON THE TAMPA FORWARD PAGE. WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET THE ADVISORY MEETINGS TO BE POSTED ONLINE TOO. WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? >>ABBYE FEELEY: I WILL CHECK WITH COMMUNICATIONS. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. >>ABBYE FEELEY: ON WHERE THOSE ARE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THOSE NEED TO BE POSTED. ANYBODY WHO REALLY WANTS TO KNOW WHAT IS IN THAT ASSESSMENT. THAT IS A GREAT PLACE FOR THEM TO START INSTEAD OF READING THE WHOLE ASSESSMENT. IF YOU CAN JUST GET BACK TO MY OFFICE AND LET ME KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THAT, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYTHING ELSE, MISS FEELY. >>ABBYE FEELEY: NO, SIR, THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT COMPLETES OUR AGENDA. NEW. COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE A COUPLE, ASK OFFICER WHITMER, CHARGED OF SOLICITING BETTER ENVIRONMENT APPEAR THINGS FOR THE CITY AND WORKING THE BEST WE CAN W WHAT WE HAVE TO COME BEFORE US. I DON'T HAVE DATES THAT ARE AVAILABLE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SOMEWHAT IS IT AGAIN SIR? >> INVITE THE CHIEF OF RESILIENCY AND SOLAR TO CHANGE THE ENERGY VALUES TO COME AND GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHAT -- WHAT THE COST WILL BE ON DIFFERENT THINGS. AND WE LOOKED AT THIS TODAY. WHAT WILL BE THE COST IN ALL OF THE PARKS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO APRIL 17. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT IS FINE WITH ME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND IS SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. ANYTHING ELSE? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WENT TO REFRESH MYSELF -- I WENT TO THE OFFICE AND CLEARED MIND HEAD. I REALIZED I MADE A MISTAKE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, I DID. THE MISTAKE I NEVER INCLUDED THE 9% TO 14% OF ELECTRICITY GOING UP WHEN DISCUSSING THE ITEM OF SOLAR. ALSO MADE ANOTHER MISTAKE, THAT COST IS CONSTANT WITH SOLAR. IT DOES NOT GO UP FOR THE YEAR -- 20-YEAR LIFE IT DOES NOT GO UP. I DON'T WANT TO ARGUE. YOU MADE A MISTAKE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO FORGIVE. GET A MOTION? NO? I WILL FORGIVE YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOTION TO CHASTISE CHARLIE MIRANDA FOR HIS MISTAKE. >> SECOND. >>GWEN HENDERSON: LEAVE THE DRAGON ALONE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE FORGIVENESS DIDN'T GET SECOND. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SEE WHO VOTES FOR THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: COUPLE OF QUICK ONES. YOU HEARD FROM A COUPLE OF KNOWS PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE RACIAL RECONCILIATION COMMITTEE AND THE MO EX-THAT PASSED. CHIEF BENEFIT THAT DOES A GOOD JOB OF TALKING TO PEOPLE AND BEING A BRIDGE BUILDER IS WORKING ON TAKING CARE OF THE ISSUE. THE MAIN ISSUE WAS -- I WON'T GO INTO THE WEEDS, BUT -- BUT THE COMMITTEE FEELING THAT THEY NEEDED SOME SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS THERE. CHIEF BENNETT IS WORKING ON THEM WITH THAT. HOWEVER, TO SHOW OUR SUPPORT OF WHAT THE COMMITTEE IS DOING, I WANTED THE MOTION TO FORWARD THE FOLLOWING MOTION BY THE RACIAL RESON CELEBRATION MEETING TO ADMINISTRATION AND THE MOTION IS AS FOLLOWS: THAT WAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA RACIAL RECONCILIATION MEETINGS GOING FORWARD. WE REQUEST THAT A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT COMPLETES AN ANALYSIS WORKSHEET THAT CORRESPONDS TO THE AREA AND ANGELA CHRIS THIS DAYS AND ADDRESSES THAT POLICY AREA AND ATTENDS THAT CORRESPONDING MEETING. THAT IS THE MOTION THEY PASSED. I AM JUST IN SUPPORT OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. >>LUIS VIERA: NO, OF COURSE. I TRY TO GO TO THE MEETING. FIRST I DIDN'T BECAUSE OF A LEGAL CASE THING IN MISSOURI, THE OTHER TWO I HAVE BEEN IN. AND YOU KNOW -- IT IS NEAT TO WATCH ALL THAT. ANOTHER ONE THAT -- I HAVE A OF QUICK ONES. A COMMENDATION TO BE GIVEN OFF HIM PREN THISFALERO RAMOS. HART WORKERS EVERY YEAR GO TO A LOCATION. ONCE YEAR THEY HAD IN HILLSBOROUGH. YEAR IN GAINESVILLE WHERE THEY DO A BUS RODEO AND THE BUS WORKER FALERO CAME IN FIRST. WHICH IS A BIG DEAL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS COOL. >>LUIS VIERA: KIND OF COOL. LIKE A MONSTER TRUCK THING BUT NOT REALLY. I LIKED IT. I. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. YES, SIR. >>LUIS VIERA: REALLY QUICKLY. A MOTION -- I WAS TALKING TO STAFF ABOUT MEMORIAL AND MONUMENT POLICY, AND THEY WERE INTERESTED IN HAVING COUNCIL PROSPECTIVELY AUTHORIZE STAFF TO COME BACK AND BRING US TO A MEMORIAL AND MONUMENT POLICY. SO THEREFORE -- I CAN GET INTO WHAT THAT WILL BE. MOTION FOR STAFF FOR NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY IN IF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL ON THE PROSPECTIVE ESTABLISHMENT OF A MONUMENT AND MORE THE POLICY OF OUTDOOR MONUMENTS IN THE CITY PROPERTY AND STAFF PROVIDE A WRITTEN REPORT OUTLINING POLICY PROPOSALS FOR MAY 15. THIS WILL BE ON -- ON -- THE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR MEMORIALS AND MONUMENTS. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW MY UNDERSTAND THERE IS ONE. AND WE WILL HAVE OBJECTIVE CRITERIA BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HURTAK, CARLSON -- -- I MEAN CHARLESTON, HURTAK. >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING. WE WERE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. STARTED TALKING OF NAMING AND A NAMING POLICY. THE ADMINISTRATION CAME UP WITH A WHOLE POLICY WHICH IS GREAT. AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT SAYS OH, THE MAYOR GETS TO IS HE SIDE. WITH WE HAD TO PUSH BACK FOR A YEAR ALOWELLING EACH OF US, CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR TO NAME -- THE CHARTER IS SILENT TO IT. . THE CHARTER IS SILENT TO MEMORIAL. SO I I WOULD SAY TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND WHOEVER IS GOING TO DO THIS, PLEASE DON'T COME BACK WITH SOMETHING WE WILL HAVE TO EDIT AND SPAY ONLY THE MAYOR HAS THE POWER TO DO THIS. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: MY COMMENT IS WHEN STAFF COMES BACK, THEY ABSOLUTELY INVOLVE THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT IS THE ISSUE. PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MONTHS ARE COMING. SO THAT WILL BE A BIG, BIG ONE FOR ME. SO FOR THEM TO INCLUDE -- HOW THEY ARE GOING TO INVOLVEMENT COMMUNITY. >>LUIS VIERA: A GREAT EDITION AND I AM HOPEFUL THEY ARE WATCHING. THERE YOU GO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL TAKE ACT 15-FOOT EFFIGY OF MYSELF. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. LAST -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE LAST ONE -- >>LUIS VIERA: THE LAST ONE IS A MOTION. YOU REMEMBER A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. LOCAL 754 TAMPA FIRE FIGHTERS WERE TRYING TO GET INFORMATION FROM TAMPA FIRE RESCUE TO DO THEIR OWN PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN. ADMINISTRATION HAD DONE ONE IN 2022. THEY ARE WORKING ON UPDATING IT. LOCAL 754 WANTED CERTAIN INFORMATION AND REQUESTED IT THROUGH COUNCIL. I PUT IT MARCH 27. LET'S -- WHAT IS THE FIRST DATE IN APRIL? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: APRIL 3. >>LUIS VIERA: IF TFR NEEDS MORE TIME ON THIS, THAT IS TOTALLY FINE. MOTION OF THE FOLLOWING ASK OF 754 TO REQUEST A WRITTEN REPORT. AGAIN, NOT ANY REPORT HERE BEFORE COUNCIL, BUT A WRITTEN REPORT ON APRIL 30 AND EVEN MORE TIME THAT IS 100% FINE. LOCAL 754 FORMALLY REQUESTS AVAILABLE GIS FEELS AND COMPUTER-AIDED DISDATA FOR 20R 20 TO 2024 TO INCLUDE OUR RELEVANT TIME STAMPS SPELLED OUT IN THE WRITTEN REQUEST FOR COMPREHENSIVE STAFFING AND WILL BE COMPLETED BY THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FIRE FIGHTERS AND EMS OPERATION DEPARTMENT. THIS IS INFORMATIONING THAT WAS RECEIVED FOR THEIR 2019 PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN THAT THEY WOULD NEED FOR AN UPDATED ONE. AGAIN, FOR SOME REASON IF TFR FEELS THEY CAN'T DO THAT PROVIDE IT IN A WRITTEN REPORT. IF THEY NEED MORE TIME, I WILL BE GLAD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. CLENDENIN CONTACT LENSES AMEND THE MOTION TO STRIKE THE REFERENCE TO 754. I THINK THERE ARE TWO THINGS HERE. WE AS COUNCIL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST INFORMATION. AND THE UNION HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AS WELL THROUGH OTHER MEANS. SO THEY HAVE OTHER LEGAL AVENUES AND MEANS. SO I THINK YOU SHOULD PROBABLY -- IF YOU GO ET THIS INFORMATION -- >>LUIS VIERA: FROM CITY COUNCIL, SURE. THAT IS A GREAT SUGGESTION. SO I HEARBY AMEND MY MOTION AS SUGGESTED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN TO BE A REQUEST FROM CITY COUNCIL. IT IS OBVIOUSLY ON BEHALF OF 754, BUT BY CITY COUNCIL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND. >>BILL CARLSON: ALONG THOSE LINES ALSO, I WANT TO SAY I AM SUPPORTING IT, BUT NO DISRESPECT TO CHIEF TRIPP. KNOW, SHE IS WORKING HARD TO WORK WITH ALL HER CONSTITUENTS WITH THE LIMITED BUDGET AND RESOURCES SHE HAS. AND HAVING ANOTHER GROUP HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA TO GIVE THEIR OPINIONS I LOOKING AT IT AS AN ADDITION REALLY RESOURCE, NOTHING DISRESPECTFUL OF CHIEF. >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY. ON THAT, I AM GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. FUNNY BECAUSE THE THING THAT CHIEF TRIPP WANTS, THE FIRE FIGHTER UNION WANTS. WITHOUT GETTING INTO CONVERSATIONS, SHE -- THE FIRST THING SHE DID WHEN GOT IN THERE WAS PUSH FOR STATION 25. NOW THERE IS STATION 24 IN FLEET MAINTENANCE. WE VOTED ON SOMETHING ON THAT TODAY WHICH IS GREAT. THOSE ARE THE TWO BIGGEST PROJECTS. AND CHIEF TRIPP AND LOCAL 754 ARE, AGAIN -- I WON'T SAY MUCH, BUT THEY ARE PUSHING FORWARD. AND SO THIS IS ON FEASIBILITY. IF IT CAN'T BE DONE, LET US KNOW. >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCILMAN, IF I CAN, IF YOU CAN GET THAT LANGUAGE AND MOTION TO THE CLERK. THAT WILL BE GREAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. >>LUIS VIERA: THAT'S IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WILL LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE THE REQUESTED WRITTEN STAFF REPORT FOR THE JUNE 26 ON HIGH-RISE STRUCTURES IN BAYSHORE BOULEVARD. I HAVE DONE MY DUE DILIGENCE ON MY OWN AND NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>BILL CARLSON: SAY THAT AGAIN. WHAT IS THE MOTION? >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE MOTION TO PROVIDE STAFF ON HISTORICAL ZONING OF HIGH-RISE IN BAYSHORE, FIVE STORY OS ARE TALLER. I DON'T WANT IT ANYMORE. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU DON'T WANT IT ANYMORE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? ANYTHING ELSE? >>GWEN HENDERSON: THIS IS PERSONAL. AERIAL AMERA DANLEY, WATCHING FROM MARLON WASHINGTON WISH YOU A HAPPY 35th BIRTHDAY FOR THE FIRST TIME PUB WILL ILY. AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU THIS WEEKEND. >>LYNN HURTAK: HAPPY BIRTHDAY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: 35 IN THE ONE CLUB. 35 FEBRUARY 1, 10:51, 8 POUNDS, 6 OUNCES, 24 INCHES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU WILL SHARE PICTURES OF HER LATER ON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE WILL BE IN DENVER SO -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU INVEST MUCH. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION OF THE EQUAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY COUNCIL. IT HAS BEEN INACTIVE SINCE COVID-19. AS A RESULT, ALL OF THE TERMS OF THE MEMBERSHIP HAVE EXPIRED. WE HAVE 29 ACTIONS FROM ELIGIBLE CANDIDATES FROM THE SEVEN AVAILABLE POSITIONS. SO BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE, WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION -- AND YOU TELL ME YES OR NO FOR MARCH 6 OR MARCH 27. MARCH 6 IS VERY BUSY .BUT WE SCHEDULE INTERVIEWS WITH THE APPLICANTS ONCE AN INTERVIEW DATE IS SET. WE WILL HAVE THE UPLOADED INDIVIDUAL ACTION FOR EACH CANDIDATE IN ON BASE FOR OUR RE REVIEW. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY ARE BOTH BUSY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE THOSE THE ONLY TWO DATES? [ INAUDIBLE ] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SINCE 2020. >> THE INTERVIEWS WILL TAKE PLACE HERE AND IN CHAMBERS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, YOU ARE ALSO GOING TO HAVE ACTIONS TO REVIEW. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MAY I LOOK AT A LATER DATE LIKE APRIL 17. >>CLERK: I WAS ABOUT TO RECOMMEND. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN I ASK. YOU KNOW THERE ARE SPECIFIC POSITIONSES THAT EACH PERSON FILLS. I WAS WONDER GOING YOU COULD JUST SEND US THE ACTIONS BECAUSE -- I MEAN, THERE ARE SOME -- I MEAN SITTING ON THE VRB, WE NEVER GOT AGREE PERSON. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE PUBLIC CAN'T HEAR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU HAVE TO GO UP TO THE -- >>LYNN HURTAK: WAS THIS TODAY? >> PROBABLY A WEEK AND A HALF AGO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: A DISCUSSION UNDER NEW BUSINESS. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO HOW MANY INTERVIEWS DO WE REALLY NEED TO DO THEN? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE SHOW UP. THEY MAY NOT ALL SHOW UP. >> EVEN IF THEY DON'T ALL SHOW UP, THEY STILL HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION, COUNCIL. BECAUSE A RATHER COMPLEX SITUATION AND WITH APPOINTMENTS, I NEVER FACED ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE. MAYOR, AS YOU SAW, WAS DONE BECAUSE SUNSHINE LAW DOESN'T APPLY. ACTION HAS BEEN REVIEWED WITH WHATEVER PROCESS. THE DECISION BY THE MAYOR WAS MADE AND RESOLUTION AND PUT ON THE AGENDA. COUNCIL'S PROCESS IS VERY DIFFERENT. HAS THE SUNSHINE LAW. YOU CAN'T MAKE YOUR DECISIONS OUT OF THIS HEARING INDIVIDUALLY, BRING THEM IN, HAVE THE CLERK ADDRESS IT. COME UP WITH A SHEET TO MAKE A DETERMINATION. BEEN FOUND BY A COURT TO VIOLATE THE SUNSHINE LAW. IT HAS TO BE DONE VERY DIFFERENT LOW. MORE COMPLEX BECAUSE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OUT OF THE CRITERIA. SO MY SUGGESTION IS IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT, DON'T DO IT ON MARCH 3, PUT IT LATER THAN THAT, BECAUSE -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 17th OF APRIL. HILLARY CLINTON IS SHELBY APRIL 17. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT IS MY MOTION. APRIL 17. I HAVE THIS HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE CLOSE THAT DATE FOR ADDITIONAL NEW BU BUSINESS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MADE THE MOTION AND THE SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT. THAT'S IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DO. DO, I DO. I WANTED TO EMPHASIZE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA SAID THE IRONY THAT WHEN THE LABEL IS TAKEN OFF OF THE BADGES, THEY WERE ALL FIRE FIGHTERS, WHETHER THEY ARE MANAGEMENT OR SITTING IN THE TRUCKS. THEY ARE ALL THE SAME PEOPLE. SO IT IS ALWAYS IRONIC, THE ARTIFICIAL DIVIDE BETWEEN LABOR AND MANAGEMENT. I AS WE ALL HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTED OF THE ISSUE OF GARAGE WIDTHS. I REACH AS MY WIT'S END. I SAT DOWN AND Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF IT. I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION FOR STAFF TO REVIEW -- WROTE THE LANGUAGE SO WE DON'T HAVE A TIMING ISSUE. THEY JUST HAVE TO REVIEW IT TO MAKE SURE I DID IT MOTION FOR STAFF TO REVIEW THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO TAMPA MUNICIPAL CODE PRIOR TO THE MEETING MARCH 6, 2025. ADD RESIDENTIAL GARAGES WITH TWO OR MORE WALLS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IF SECTION 27-283.7, THE NUMBER OF OFF-STREET PARKING SPACES. PARKING TABLE ONE, TABLE OF REQUIRED PARKING SPACES. SECTION 27-283.1.2. OFF STREET PARKING SPACES AND CAR PARKING GARAGE LAYOUT. AND A NEW PARKING TABLE THREE. AND THE DIMENSION AND FEAT OF GARAGE OF PERPENDICULAR GARAGE DOOR OF PERPENDICULAR PARKING 20 FEET. GARAGE WIDTH WOULD BE 20 FEET. GARAGE LENGTH BACK TO GARAGE DOOR. AND DELETE THE REFERENCE TO TEN APARTMENTS WHICH IS -- WHICH IS -- WHICH WILL ALLOW LANGUAGE CURRENTLY SAYS SECTION 27.283 OF REQUIRED PARKING SPACES. ZONING ADMINISTRATOR MAY AUTHORIZE THE REDUCTION OF THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES FOR THE FOLLOWING SITUATIONS. THREE TANDEM FOR SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED OR SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED DESIGNS. ADD THAT TANDEM PARKING IS ALLOWED. SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ONE SPARKING SPACE IN 27-283.7. NUMBER OF OFF-STREET PARKING SPACES, TABLE OF REQUIRED SPACES. AND -- THE REASON FOR THE DELETION OF TANDEM IS PART OF ISSUE WITH THE GARAGE WIDTHS AND THE TANDEM PARKING IS IN PRACTICE WHAT HAPPENS. WHEN YOU HAVE UNDERSIZED GARAGES AND PEOPLE END UP PARKING ACROSS THE SIDEWALKS, ACROSS BIKE LANES. BLOCKING MOBILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE. BECAUSE THAT IS THE REALITY OF THE HUMAN BEHAVIOR. AND THAT IS -- WHEN YOU HAVE THAT. THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE NOT PARKING LIKE THAT. THEY ARE COMING OUT OF THE GARAGE AND PARKING WHEREVER THEY ARE GOING TO PARK. THAT IS JUSTIFICATION. SO I WILL I AM GOING TO MAKE -- HE AGAIN. ABBYHAD ADVANCED COPY OF IT. AND THIS IS TURNKEY LANGUAGE HOPEFUL LEAVE AND ALL COPACETIC AND MAKE THE FINAL MOTION FOR AMENDING THE TAMPA CODE AND IMPLEMENTATION GUIDELINES ON MARCH 6, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE A GUIDELINE OF -- THERE MAY BE PLANS THAT IN PROCESS AN WE HAVE TO THAT DISCUSSION MARCH 6 OF HOW TO STAGGER THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO I HAVE A SECOND. >> I WILL SECOND IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A SECOND AND HURTAK WAS FIRST. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO YOU ARE ONLY TALKING OF TANDEM GARAGE PARKING? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TANDEM PARKING TO MEET THE MINIMUM PARK -- SO TANDEM PARKING. SO WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS -- THIS IS THE INTERESTING THING. BY THE WAY, A MUNICIPAL CODE. YOU WERE TOLD IT WAS TECHNICAL, IT IS NOT. MUNICIPAL CODE. REFERENCES FOR THE TECHNICAL GLEANS OF FEDERAL AND STATE GUIDELINES ISN'T ABOUT RAGES BUT PARKING SPOTS. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PARKING GARAGE AND GARAGE IS ASH TAR RELIANCE. WHEN YOU OPEN UP A CAR DOOR, NOT A WALL THERE. IT IS JUST IN THE PARKING LOT. THAT IS THE -- THAT IS IS THE INTELLECT CAL INCONSISTENCY OF EXTRAPOLATE PARKING SPACES TO A GARAGE. THIS IS ALL IN REFERENCE TO MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS. SO THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT IF IT WASN'T ATTEMPTS TO MEET A MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I GUESS I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED. I WILL SUPPORT YOU WITH NO TANDEM GAR RACK PARKING. THAT IS A TERRIBLE IDEA. BUT IF THERE ARE ACTUALLY DRIVEWAYS. MAINTAIN DEMOCRAT PARKING IS -- IS KIND OF WHAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. IF YOU TAKE THAT AWAY FROM -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL TAKE THE IOU TO CLARIFY -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM FINE WITH THAT BECAUSE IT IS COMING BACK TO US. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TANDEM PARKING WILL CAN PERMITTED IN A SITUATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: BASICALLY HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET MORE HOUSING IN THE CITY IS TANDEM DRIVEWAYS. HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU, BUT ONE OF THE GREATEST WAYS WE CAN DO THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE PROBLEM IS THE DRIVEWAY HAS TO BE LONG ENOUGH SO NOT DOUBLE PARKED ON THE SIDEWALK OR THE BRICK LANE. >>LYNN HURTAK: 100%. WITH THE LENGTH FOR THE GARAGE, WANT TO ADD THAT. LENGTH FOR TANDEM DRIVEWAYS. I AM JUST SAYING. I APPRECIATE YOUR ADDITION FOR THE GARAGE. BECAUSE, YEAH, I WOULD TAKE OUT "TANDEM GARAGE PARKING," I MEAN, LIKE PERIOD. NO WAY PEOPLE ARE USING THAT. PEOPLE HAVE BUILT THEM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: RIGHT IN CHANNELSIDE. >>LYNN HURTAK: HOPEFULLY WE CANNISM PROVE THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LENGTH OF DRIVEWAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE THAT AND I AM NOT AGAINST THAT AT ALL. MY MIND GOES BACK HOW WE TREAT EVERYTHING DIFFERENTLY. A TALL BUILDING WITH A GAR RACK ATTACHED TO IT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A .04 PARKING RATIO AN PASSED SOME WITH .02. DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REDUCTION IN A TALL BUILDING BECAUSE THEY HAVE FRIENDS THAT WANT TO COME IN AND VISIT THE ONE ON -- ON N. BOULEVARD AROUND CLEVELAND. IT WILL BE A BANK RIGHT THERE. AND THE BANK IS STILL CLOSED. AND -- NOT A THING HAS HAPPENED IN THE LAST -- THE ONE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA THAT CAME AND COMPLAINED. PRESIDENT SAME AND EVERYBODY ELSE. HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PARKING. AND THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING. NOTHING AT ALL. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW IF WHAT WE DO FOR ONE. WE LOOK FOR THE OTHER. I AM NOT SAYING I AM AGAINST THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY SAVE FOR PEOPLE TO GET THE DOORS SCRATCHED AND FIXED AND EVERYTHING ELSE AT THE BODY SHOP. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE YOU GO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY. IF I CAN ASK. EVERYTHING FOR MARCH 6 IS DUE NEXT TUESDAY, THAT INCLUDES THE LARGE SCALE SIGN REPORT AND A BUNCH OTHER THINGS. AND GIVEN GIVEN THE CONVERSATION THAT JUST HAPPENED ON THE DAIS CONCERNING THIS MATTER, WE DID JUST BRING YOU A SET OF TEXT AMENDMENTS THIS COULD HAVE ROLLED INTO AT THAT TIME. BUT SOUNDS LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE BE A WORKSHOP. AND ALSO -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO. Y'ALL HAD THIS ISSUE FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG I HAVE SAT ON CITY COUNCIL. AND Y'ALL HAVE SAT ON YOUR BUTTS AND NOT DONE A DAMN THING ABOUT IT. SO, NO. NO. THIS -- IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON ON THIS. AND -- AND ACTUALLY DID THE WORK. WROTE IT. IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT, PLEASE TALK TO MY OFFICE AND WE WILL DO WHATEVER TEXT CHANGE IS LEGAL. BUT IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS GOT -- SOMETHING THAT HAS GOT TO HAPPEN. I AM EMPATHETIC WITH THE ISSUE AND HERE IS THE LANGUAGE AND LET'S MOVE ON IT. WE HAVE A COMPLETE MISUNDERSTANDING. WHAT IT DOES IS PUTS THIS COUNCIL IN A DIFFICULT POSITION EVERY TIME THESE LAND USE ATTORNEYS COME BEFORE US WITH SOME OF THESE CRAPPY PROJECTS WITH UNDERSIZED GARAGES AND WE HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST THEM TIME AFTER TIME. THEY WASTED THEIR MONEY. THEY WASTED OUR TIME. THEY HAVE WASTED THE CITY OF TAMPA'S TIME. THIS IS A AN ISSUE -- THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT HAS BEEN GOING -- Y'ALL HAD THIS FOR LONGEST TIME AND NOBODY, STEPHEN BENSON WORKED ON IT AND HE IS GONE. >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT ENDED WITH MR. BENSON UNFORTUNATELY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE PICKED UP THAT WORK LOAD. >>ABBYE FEELEY: I WOULD SAY I DON'T THINK A GARAGE BUT A DRIVEWAY. PEOPLE DON'T WORK IN THEIR GARAGE, THEY PARK ON THE DRIVEWAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU KNOW WHAT, ABBY, RUN FOR OFFICE AND YOU CAN DO THAT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SLEDGE LAY SIEVE -- >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT WILL NEED TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND GO THROUGH THE REGULAR CYCLES. -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MUNICIPAL CODE CHANGE. >>ABBYE FEELEY: STILL HAS TO GO TO THE PC JUST LIKE THE TEXT AMENDMENTS. WE CAN ROLL IT INTO THAT WHICH IS WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST BASED ON LANGUAGE YOU ARE PROPOSING THAT WAY IT GOES TO PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETING. I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE SET THAT YET. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY. >>ABBYE FEELEY: START OF CHAPTER 27. JUST LIKE THE TEXT AMENDMENTS WE JUST BROUGHT YOU. SO WE CAN PUT IT IN THERE, THEN IT WILL GO TO PUBLIC INFORMATION. IT WILL GO TO THE ,C FOR THE BRIEFING AND THE HEARING AND COME BACK TO YOU FOR ADOPTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, SIR. >>MARTIN SHELBY: INQUIRE OF MISS FEELEY WHAT IT WILL TAKE TO COME BACK WITH WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR IN THE MOTION, WHICH IS TO LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE, SEE, REVIEW IT, AND IF THEY HAVE COMMENTS ON THE PROPOSED CHANGES, SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU ARE REQUESTING, HAVE IT COME BACK ON A DATE. SEE HOW LONG SHE NEEDS AND FROM THERE YOU CAN DETERMINE WHAT YOUR OPTIONS ARE WITH REGARD OF HOW YOU MOVE FORWARD. IT WILL AT LEAST ADDRESS YOUR MOTION WITH THE LANGUAGE AND YOU CAN DETERMINE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FROM THERE. SO IF MARCH 6 IS TOO SOON. IF COUNCIL AGREES THAT MARCH 6 IS TOO SOON, HOW MUCH TIME -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHY IS MARCH 6 BE TOO SOON IF THE LANGUAGE WITH SPOON-FED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: A WRITTEN OR ORAL REPORT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT I ENVISIONED THAT MISS FEELEY AND ANY ATTORNEYS THAT HAD A VESTED INTEREST IN TALKING BEING THIS WOULD TALK TO THE OFFICE -- MY OFFICE, TALK TO MYSELF OREGON COUNCIL PERSONS OF THE CHANGES TO COME BACK ON MARCH 6 AND START THE PROCESS AT THAT POINT. SO WE MAKE THE MOTION ON MARCH 6 TO BEGIN THIS PROCESS OF INSTITUTING THIS POLICY. AND WHATEVER THAT PROCESS IS. IF IT IS THE LEGAL OPINION THIS HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, THEN SO BE IT, BUT THAT WILL BE PROCESSES THAT WILL START ON MARCH 6 WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT WE WOULD AGREE TO ON MARCH 6. >>ABBYE FEELEY: I THINK I AM GIVING YOU A BETTER SOLUTION WHICH IS LET'S ROLL IT INTO THE TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT YOU JUST LOOKED AT THAT WERE DONE CONCEPTUALLY THAT WE ARE RICK JUST PRESENTED, I THINK, A WEEK BEFORE LAST, GET IT INTO THE CYCLE AND COME INTO THAT PACKAGE FOR YOU. WE DIDN'T EVEN BRING YOU THE LANGUAGE ON THAT. I THINK YOU REMEMBER REBROUGHT YOU THE CONCEPT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHY WASN'T THIS SUGGESTED WHEN WE SENT THIS TO YOU? >>ABBYE FEELEY: IT WASN'T -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHEN TIM SENT THIS TO YOU. >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES AFTERNOON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BEFORE COUNCIL SO WE WOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION. >>ABBYE FEELEY: BECAUSE IT WASN'T EXPLAINED TO ME THAT IT SAID YOU MIGHT BE ASKING FOR IT TO COME BACK MARCH 6. THAT DATE WASN'T SURE YET. AND I DID NOT THINK THROUGH WHAT THE BEST PROCESS FOR INCORPORATING THIS INTO THE CURRENT CYCLE WILL BE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CLENDENIN. MAY YOU -- JUST TO REFRESH EVERYBODY'S RECOLLECTION WHAT THE TIMELINE IS FOR THAT PROCESS. ARE YOU SAYING, FEELEY, IT IS STILL AVAILABLE TO BE ADDED TO THE CYCLE. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO COMPLY TO COUNCIL'S REQUEST BY ADDING IT TO THIS CYCLE. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THIS CYCLE, YES, JUST BROUGHT -- POSTPONED FROM THE HURRICANES FROM SEPTEMBER THAT WE ARE RICK JUST BROUGHT WEEK BEFORE LAST. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ARE YOU COMFORTABLE -- I GUESS THE ISSUE IS, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THIS LANGUAGE AND MOVING FORWARD. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YET. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS THE WHOLE. THEY TAKE IT TO THE COMMUNITY. THEY GET FEEDBACK. THEN THEY BRING IT BACK US TO FOR -- FOR THE INITIAL FEEDBACK AND GO BACK AND FIX THE LANGUAGE. THIS WAS ONLY -- THIS IS ONLY THE IDEA OF IT. AND THEY WILL TAKE THE IDEA. AND -- AND WORKSHOP IT. AND BRING IT BACK TO US TWICE MORE BEFORE FINAL READING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW LONG IS THAT PROCESS? >>ABBYE FEELEY: I DON'T HAVE THE SCHEDULED THAT WE ARE RICK PUT UP LAST WEEK, BUT I KNOW IT IS FORTHCOMING. I CAN GET THAT TO YOU AND GET IT BACK TO YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU CAN FIGURE OUT MY BLOOD PRESSURE ON THIS ISSUE. THIS ONE OF THE THINGS -- THIS PART OF FRUSTRATION OF THE DAIS AND DEALING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ON SO MANY DIFFERENT ISSUES. THINGS GET SLOW ROLLED THAT WE FEEL LIKE -- I KNOW WE GET THIS FEELING THAT EVERYTHING GETS SLOW ROLLED. AND I -- I LOVE TAMPA CITY STAFF. LOVE EVERYBODY THAT WORKS HERE. BUT IT IS JUST -- WHEN WE GET PLEASURE AND -- WE HAVE A LOT OF PRESSURE TOO. WE GET THIS STUFF. OH, COME ON. LET'S JUST GET IT DONE. I MEAN, LET'S JUST GET IT DONE. THAT IS SO MANY THINGS. OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN LIKE WE WERE TALKING OF THAT TRAFFIC ISSUE ON FRANKLIN AND PLATT. THE MORGAN STREET EXIT ALL OF THE EXPRESSWAY. NONHOW MANY TIMES WE BROUGHT THIS UP TO COUNCIL AND NOTHING EVER COMES OF IT. AND THAT ENDS UP -- YOU GET A GUY LIKE ME THAT TRIES TO BE LIKE THE MITIGATOR AND THE -- THE GO-BETWEEN AND THE GUY THAT GIVES -- LIKE, OKAY, I AM DONE. I AM SO FRUSTRATED AND SO -- I AM SO DONE. >>LYNN HURTAK: PUT IT FORWARD. ADD IT TO THE CYCLE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S ADD IT TO THE CYCLE. HI MAKE A MOTION TO ADD IT TO THE CYCLE AND CAN MISS FEELEY TO MOVE IT THROUGH, AROUND LET'S LET'S GET IT DONE. >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND. ORDINANCE MANISCALCO MORE DISCUSSION, COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO SAY REAL FAST. COUNCIL MEMBER COMPLENZ, I OBVIOUSLY SHARED YOUR FRUSTRATION TODAY AND MANY OTHER TIMES. AND IT IS FRUSTRATING FOR THE CONSTITUENTS BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION WILL SLOW ROLL OR KILL THROUGH ADMIN AND GETS DELAYED, DELAYED, DELAYED. LIKE THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS. THEY KEPT DELAYING DELAYING AND THEY SAID THEY PRESENTED IT THE LAST MINUTE. ALWAYS LIKE THAT. ABBYE CAN YOU COME BACK -- WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS MISS FEELEY, I FOUND THAT -- YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T -- I DIDN'T VOTE FOR MISS FEELEY WHEN SHE GOT THIS NEW POSITION, BUT I TOLD HER, I AM VERY IMPRESSED WITH HER WILLINGNESS TO HELP, SINCE SHE -- THIS IS WHAT I WAS LEADING UP TO JUST NOW. I AM VERY IMPRESSED WITH HER WILLINGNESS TO HELP SINCE SHE GOT ON BOARD IN THIS NEW POSITION. AND I FIND HER -- I THINK WE HAVE TO SEPARATE -- AT LEAST WITH THIS POSITION, WHATEVER HAPPENED IN THE PAST GOOD OR BAD, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT FEELEY DIFFERENTLY IN WHATEVER WAY IN HER NEW POSITION. I AM VERY IMPRESSED AND APPRECIATIVE OF THE WORK SHE HAS DONE IN THIS NEW POSITION. I HOPE THAT AS WE MOVE THIS FORWARD IN GOOD FAITH, SHE WILL WORK YOU WITH TO MOVE IN FORWARD. BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN SO FAR. VOTED AGAINST HER. AND HELPING ME WITH PROJECTS THAT SHE HAS NO REASON TO HELP ME BUT BEING A GOOD PUBLIC SERVANT. I APPRECIATE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE MORE PLUG IN. FEBRUARY 11, WE GOT AN E-MAIL THAT HAS THE MONTHLY REPORTS. IN THIS CASE, IT IS KIND OF A QUARTERLY REPORT FROM OCTOBER 1 TO DECEMBER 31. THEY ARE USUALLY LIKE A MONTH BEHIND. BUT I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU GO THROUGH THIS BEFORE NEXT WEEK'S MEETING JUST TO TAKE A LOOK. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT DATE? >>LYNN HURTAK: THE MEMO IS DATED FEBRUARY 11. SOME TIME NEAR THAT. AND I WOULD JUST HIGHLY RECOMMEND GOING OVER IT. TAKING A LOOK AT HOW WE ARE DOING, WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH -- BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF BIG THINGS COMING UP. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY. SO THAT -- THAT IS JUST MY PLUG AGAIN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I AM SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, I APOLOGIZE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS WAS THE SHORT PART. >>BILL CARLSON: HOPEFULLY WILL BE FAST. HARBOUR ISLAND HAD THEIR EXPERT HERE THIS MORNING AND THEY SPOKE, AND THEY WOULD LIKE FOR US TO ASK THE STAFF TO CONDUCT NOR STUDY -- OR A MORE THOROUGH STUDY OF THE SIGNALING NEEDS. AND I WILL MAKE THIS MOTION. AND MOTION TO ASK CITY STAFF TO RETURN ON NAY 1 WITH OPTIONS OF HIRING A CONSULTANT FOR THE SIGNALING NEEDS OF FRANKLIN STREET FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER OF HARBOUR ISLAND. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL SECOND IT, IF I CAN ADD AN AMOUNT. TO -- TO CONSIDER THAT -- FOR STAFF -- FOR WHATEVER CONSULTANT TO CONSIDER WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE TO CLOSE SOME CONVENTION CENTER TRAFFIC, LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET IN AND DROP PEOPLE -- JUST TO KIND OF CLOSE THAT AREA OFF FOR THE PUBLIC. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO WE KNOW IF THIS STUDY HAS BEEN DONE? >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY DID A LOT A WHILE AGO. >>BILL CARLSON: ENGINEER FROM HARBOUR ISLAND LOOKED AT IT AND SAID ITS NO AT COMPLETE STUDY. NEW EXCUSE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, IT IS SEALED AND SIGNED. THE SAME THING THEY DID WITH THIS TRAFFIC PLAN WITH ALL THE CONGESTION DOWNTOWN. SEALED AND SIGNED BY THE ENGINEERS THEY CAN'T TOUCH IT AND SENT ANDREA THE OTHER DAY TO SAY WE WOULD BE PERSONALLY LIABLE. WE KNOW FROM MANY CONSULTANTS THAT WE DON'T NEED THIS LIGHT. ANYWAY, DID YOU SECOND OR NOT. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL THIRD IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: TO ADD SOMETHING ABOUT -- WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT THE, TO LOOK AT FLOW IN AND OUT OF THE CONVENTION CENTER. >>BILL CARLSON: AND LOOK AT CONVENTION CENTER FLOW. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, WHICH THE IDEA IS NO PUBLIC ACCESSES TO THAT AND IT BEING ONLY FOLKS BE WHO HAVE TO GO IN THERE. >>BILL CARLSON: LOOK AT CONVENTION CENTER TRAFFIC FLOW TO LOOK AT OPTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR DIVERTING THAT PROCESS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: AN OUTDOOR AGENCY THAT TO DO THIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OUTSIDE INCIDENT. >>BILL CARLSON: THEY ALREADY HIRED AN OUTSIDEM ENTITY. BUT THEY DID A SUPERFICIAL LOOK OF IT. THIS WILL BE TO DO A THOROUGH AND UPDATED RED VIEW BECAUSE AGO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR MAY 1. >>BILL CARLSON: COME BACK AND TALK TO US OF HIRING A CONSUL TANT. THEY ARE NOT ASKING THEM TO DO IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHY NOT COME BACK SOONER. >>BILL CARLSON: BECAUSE YOU WILL TELL ME THAT THE AGENDA IS FULL. A DATE TO COME BACK SOONER, I WOULD. >>LYNN HURTAK: IF ALL WE ARE DOING IS TALKING ABOUT IT. WE NEED IT GOING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: APRIL 17. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT DATE WE JUST CLOSED. HOW ABOUT APRIL 6? I AM SORRY, THE 3rd. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MEETING ON MY BIRTHDAY. >>CLERK: WE SCHEDULED, LIKE, THREE TODAY. >>BILL CARLSON: NOBODY SCHEDULE MAY 1. >>LYNN HURTAK: MAY 1 IS MANISCALCO MOTION AND A SECOND. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THIS ISSUE IS NOW COMING INSIDE BLACK ENGLISH BOOK STORE, AND THAT IS VERY INTERESTING TO ME. CUSTOMERS WANT TO TALK OF -- OUR CUSTOMERS WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE YOU GO. >>BILL CARLSON: AS LONG AS IT IS GETTING BUSINESS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I AM A BOOK SELLER. >>BILL CARLSON: SELL TRAFFIC. >>GWEN HENDERSON: NO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CARLSON, A QUESTION FOR YOU IN TERMS OF THE TIMELINE THAT TRANSPORTATION HAS FOR THIS TRAFFIC LIGHT. I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE TOO LATE IF THERE IS GOING TO BE ANY ACTION ON THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT BY THE ADMINISTRATION. >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT DATE DID WE PUT IT ON. >>LYNN HURTAK: MAY 1. >>MARTIN SHELBY: DOES IT INCLUDE A REQUEST -- >>LYNN HURTAK: WHY NOT DO A WRITTEN REPORT. THAT WAY WE COULD DO IT -- WE CAN GET IT BY APRIL 6, IF DID A WRITTEN REPORT. WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT DURING -- DURING OLD BUSINESS. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I SAY CREATE A WRITTEN REPORT AND RETURN -- >>LYNN HURTAK: DOOR A WRITTEN REPORT ON -- YOU SAID APRIL -- >>BILL CARLSON: MAY 4. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CAN DO IT APRIL 3. SAVINGS A MONTH. >>BILL CARLSON: APRIL 3 TO CREATE A WRITTEN REPORT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU REF MOVED CHARLIE'S PREVIOUS MOTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST AMEND. >>LYNN HURTAK: A MOTION TO AMEND. >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: APRIL 3. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>BILL CARLSON: LAST THING. I AM GOING TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD ON THIS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ON THIS? [LAUGHTER] >>BILL CARLSON: ON THE NEXT ONE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW ABOUT AN ALBUM -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT IS IT CALLED WHEN FIVE OR SIX -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: TWO LPs. >>BILL CARLSON: GIVE ME 30 SECONDS. SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF. SINCE THE VOTE AND IT WAS 5-2. I HAVE GONE ON THE DISSENTING SIDE AND I CAN'T REOPEN IT. ONE OF YOU ON THE FIVE CAN. SINCE THEN, I PULLED THE TRANSCRIPT. THE TRANSCRIPT SAY THAT THEA IS CONTRIBUTING $11 MILLION HOW THAT PUBLIC RECORDS, PARKLAND STATES ASSOCIATION HAS CONFIRMED THAT THE THEA BOARD HAS NOT EVEN BROUGHT THIS UP YET. IT IS NOT CONFIRMED AND WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WAS -- THAT THEY WOULD BE CONTRIBUTING. WE FOUND OUT THE LAST FEW DAYS THROUGH MEETINGS WITH STAFF AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT -- THAT WE WERE -- THAT COUNCILMEMBER CLENDENIN WAS PROMISE BY STAFF THIS WILL BE OPEN TO -- COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN ASKED A QUESTION, SLOPING THIS IS OPEN TO ALL POSSIBLE ROUTES. THE ANSWER WAS YES. AND NOW IN WRITE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS BEING TOLD THAT THERE ARE ONLY THREE ROUTES. BUSINESSES DID THEIR OWN STUDY THAT THEY PAID FOR AND FOUND FIVE POSSIBLE ROUTES TO THE STAFF. THE FIRST ROUTE, THE STAFF REJECTED BECAUSE IT HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO A MORE THOROUGH 'MALL IN SIS. FOUR OTHERS BECAUSE THEY WERE NEW AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO THE ANALYSIS. THEY ARE BOUND AND DETERMINED TO BUILD SOMETHING DOWN HOWARD AVENUE THAT WE KNOW WILL NOT WORK. YOU ALL VOTED UNDER THE PREMISE OF THESE AND MANY OTHER THINGS WERE NOT TRUE. ALSO IN THE TESTIMONY, WHEN -- WHEN I ASKED, WILL THE NEIGHBORHOOD BE PROTECTED OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS WHILE THIS IS BEING BUILT. THE ANSWER WAS NO. THEN WILL IT BE PROTECTED IN A MAJOR STORM, LIKE MILTON AFTER FOUR YEARS, AND THE ANSWER WAS NO. IF IT IS NOT GOING TO THEM IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, PEOPLE RENOVATING THEIR HOMES, IT WILL NOT HELP AFTER FOUR YEARS IN A HURRICANE. WHY WOULD WE HAVE APPROVE THIS? WHY WOULD WE NOT IT? PUBLIC RECORD PULLED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONFIRMS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION STIRRED UP TROUBLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAD CONFLICT BECAUSE THEY STIRRED UP TROUBLE. AMONG OTHER THINGS COACHING THE LEADER OF THIS GROUP OF HOW TO TALK TO THE MEDIA TO ARGUE IN FAVOR OF THIS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS. >>BILL CARLSON: IN PUBLIC RECORD. TALKED TO THE PARKLAND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. PLUS INTEREST WHICH IS $130 MILLION. WE CAN USE A PORTION OF THAT MONEY TO DO ALL THE SHORT-TERM MAINTENANCE IN PALMA CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND HE IS STATES AND PREVENT FLOODING ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AND USE THE REST OF IT TO PREVENT FLOODING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE IS IT I. I HOPE ONE OF WILL YOU REOPEN THAT TO RECONSIDER IT AND CANCEL THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HURTAK AND CLENDENIN. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM JUST -- I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY FOR US TO GET THIS INFORMATION SO WE CAN READ IT FOR OURSELVES AND THEN COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT UNDER OLD BUSINESS AT ANOTHER TIME. BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY WHAT IT IS AT THIS POINT. IF THERE IS A WAY THAT -- I DON'T KNOW, MR. SHELBY. WHAT WOULD BE LEGAL WAY FOR -- FOR THEM TO DO IT. WOULD IT BE THE PUBLIC PUTTING TOGETHER THE -- SO MAYBE PARKLAND ESTATES PEOPLE OR THE HOWARD AVENUE BUSINESS PEOPLE, PUTTING TOGETHER A MEMO THAT THEY CAN SEND TO ALL SEVEN OF US TO READ ABOUT IT. THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH THE -- WITH THE PUBLIC RECORDS -- >>LYNN HURTAK: WITH ALL THE INFORMATION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND THE DOCUMENTATIONS THAT SUPPORT THE ASSERTIONS THAT ARE MADE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LIKE TO READ THAT IN A COHESIVE DOCUMENT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO WOULD I. >>LYNN HURTAK: IF THAT IS A POSSIBILITY AND THEN TALK ABOUT IT DURING OLD BUSINESS. THAT IS WHERE I WOULD BRING PERSONALLY RIGHT? >>GWEN HENDERSON: THEY PAY THEIR OWN CONSULTANTS. THESE COMMUNITIES -- ANYWAY, NEVER MIND. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CARLSON, WAS THERE IS A CHARGE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEY CHARGED -- THE CITY CHARGED THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE -- MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THEN TO -- TO MAKE THAT REQUEST OF -- MR. CARLSON. THIS IS YOUR DISTRICT. THAT'S CORRECT? >>BILL CARLSON: IF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WANTS TO MAKE THE REQUEST AND PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. THAT IS FINE WITH ME. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM NOT GOING TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. >>GWEN HENDERSON: FOR THE INFORMATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: A WAY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COLLATE AND SHARE THAT INFORMATION TO ALL SEVEN COUNCILMEMBERS, SOMETHING I WOULD LOVE TO BRING BACK DURING OLD BUSINESS FOR DISCUSS IF WE WANT TO ROW OPEN CHAELZs. >>BILL CARLSON: MACED ON THAT CONVERSATION, I ASK FOR THE PARKLAND ESTATE CIVIC ASSOCIATION AND BUSINESS ON HOWARD AVENUE TO SUBMIT A WRITTEN REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL WITH BACK-UP. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MAKE MOTIONS FOR COMMUNITIES. >>BILL CARLSON: WE CAN REQUEST WITH BACK-UP DOCUMENTS TO SHOW HOW -- WHY WE SHOULD REVISIT THIS AND CANCEL THE CONTRACT. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I -- YOU AGREE WITH THE REQUEST. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND, AND COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM GOING TO READ THE ENCYCLOPEDIA NOW. I DO WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID. BECAUSE I CONCUR. DURING THAT ENTIRE DISCUSSION, I WAS VERY SPECIFIC IN VERIFYING AND THE CONSULTANT GROUP WAS GOING TO EXPLORE MULTIPLE ACHGSING OPTIONS. 100% ON THE RECORD TO EXPLORE THOSE OPTIONS. IF YOU ARE LISTENING, THE FOLKS WHO ARE DOING THIS. YOU HOPE YOU HAVE NOT ARBITRARILY RULED OUT. WHY YOU WOULD DO THAT, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. >>BILL CARLSON: THREE OPTIONS DOWN HOWARD AVENUE. BRISTOL, MORRISON AND SWANN. THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE OPTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HOPE THEY HAVE AN ANSWER TO EXPLORE THE OTHER OPTIONS AND WHY THEY RULED IT OUT. >>BILL CARLSON: THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT IS WATCHING INCLUDE AN E-MAIL TO STAFF. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE ALL PERT EMINENT PUBLIC RECORDS THAT WERE OBTAINED IN SUPPORT OF WHATEVER ASSERTIONS THEY MAKE. SO -- AND TO BE INCLUDED. WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, COUNCILWOMAN, SOUNDS LIKE -- SOUNDS LIKE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY -- I THINK THE BEST EVIDENCE. >>LYNN HURTAK: CORRECT, THE BEST EVIDENCE. I CAN SAY IF ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE CAN PUT TOGETHER A NICE BIEMDER, IT WOULD BE THEM. SO I AM -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU LIKE YOUR BINDERS. >>LYNN HURTAK: OR E-MAIL. I WOULD LIKE THE INFORMATION TO FLESH IT OUT AND TALK ABOUT IT. >>BILL CARLSON: I SAID WELL-EDUCATED PEOPLE IN PARKLAND ESTATES AND THEY WILL BE HAPPY TO DO THIS. >>LYNN HURTAK: I SAW BEAUTIFUL POWERPOINTS. NO DOUBT. WE KEEP HEARING THIS, LET'S SEE THE DATA AND SEE THE REPORTS AND THE PUBLIC RECORD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: I AM HAPPY TO GET THE INFORMATION IF THEY WANT TO SEND IT TO ME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION TO EXTEND FOR 30 MINUTES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SUFFICIENT A FULL DAY. WANT TO PUT SOMETHING ON YOUR RADAR THAT ESPECIALLY NOW THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE CONSIDERING AND MOVING INTO BUDGET SEASON. SECTION -- SECTION 10.10 OF THE CITY CHARTER IS ENTITLED "CHARTER VERY VIEW." COMMENCING IN 2025 AND EVERY EIGHT YEARS THEREAFTER ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE A CHARTER REVIEW ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND GOES ON FROM THERE. SO WE ARE ABOUT AT THAT TIME AGAIN. AND WHAT TIME GOING TO SUGGEST IS -- I DON'T BELIEVE ANY MONEY HAS BEEN PLACED IN OUT INFY '25 BUDGET ABOUT THIS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PER YOUR CHARTER YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CONSIDER FOR FY '26. AND YOU CAN GET UNDER WAY IN CALENDAR YEAR STARTING THE PROCESS IN TWREEF. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT NEXT WEEK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO MOVED. >>LYNN HURTAK: >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FAVOR. WE ARE ADJOURNED.