this is going to be our short like the shortest meeting in history um I would like to approve the minutes council members of Honor councilmember Lawson do have any changes or are you willing to approve the minutes I have no changes okay so General business annual update from oil and gas very good good morning councilmanski and uh other council members pleasure to be here this morning let me share my screen and we'll get started all right for those of you listening my name is Jeffrey Moore I'm the manager of the oil and gas division pleasure to be here with you today uh as most of you know the oil and gas division is relatively new uh started in 2020 I was the first manager of the division and very honored to be so I did this update last year at this time at ped and it was well received and council members asked me to return on an annual basis and provide an update of what we're doing so that is the topics today we'll be talking about our staffing a number of Wells that we have looking at the operators permitting and inspections which are our main functions here in the division we'll be talking about the income that we have for the division our work in supporting the oil and gas advisory committee and future initiatives uh to begin with Staffing our senior inspector is formally Thornley today is actually his two-year anniversary with the division he's been with the city for five years but with the division for two very excited to have him bachelor's degree in Environmental Studies lots of experience and certifications with inspections our senior planner is new this year in July Maria Alvarez is very well qualified she has a master's in urban and Regional planning and she's also a native Spanish speaker which is exciting she's interested in helping us translate some of the educational materials that we are creating into Spanish for our website all right number of wells so I've got a running track here by year just so you can see how things have changed from year to year uh the most important category of course is the producing Wells currently we have 108 of those um and I'll talk about the different operators here in just a moment you can see how that's grown from 45 uh just three years ago so we've increased the number of Wells quite a bit uh Wells that are either being drilled or completed currently there's 22 of those next category is shut in Wells these are wells that are really no longer economic they're no longer producing very excited to see these numbers going down when I started with the division we had nine of those Wells but we've had several operators that have elected to plug their Wells which is a requirement by the state rules of course but some operators don't do that um City and County of Denver and Peterson Energy plug their Wells uh in 2020 and 2021 so we're done only two Wells remaining and I'll discuss those here on the next slide specifically finally on the plugged Wells PNA is plugged and abandoned that means a well that did produce but then ended its productive life and was later plugged uh DNA is dry and abandoned that's a well that was drilled but did not encounter hydrocarbons and paying quantities and was plugged immediately after drilling we have 58 of those in the city and then the final category is the future are projected Wells these are based on our operator agreements and based on the plans for the field with the different operators that we have you can see that we've kind of halved that from the end of last year the reason for that is that the work that crestone Peak Resources has done uh in the field to substantially reduce both the number of sites that they're Drilling and the number of Wells by over a hundred based on how they're designing and drilling the field compared to how conico Phillips originally planned to build out the field they made a substance reduction in those impacts which is really amazing so we think there'll be about 150 Wells drilled in the future from this point forward here within the city obviously the city is always growing by annexation we may Annex new wells into the city who may Annex new lands that that have wells to be drilled on them in the future but that's a good estimate for uh for the time being I'm talking about the operators crestone Peak Resources which is part of civitas is our major operator 108 producing Wells 12 Wells being drilled and completed axis expiration which is also part of civitas has two producing Wells and then they have eight Wells that they are going to be drilling and completing in starting in December that's the Jamison pad they uh started doing those quite several years ago but they're coming back to complete those in December the other two operators that we still have on the Nexus painted Pegasus petroleum they are officially out of business out of as of March of this year I testified at a hearing at the Illinois gas commission um about our efforts to contact them they are bankrupt out of business and that well has been placed on the state's orphan well program uh list the owp the state will plug that well at their cost um we are hoping to get that done in 2023 but we are at the discretion of the State uh planning uh and and how the commission wants to plug the wells they've got almost a thousand uh orphan wells in the state currently that they are working through the list to get those plugged the last operator we have is KP Kaufman um Kitty coffin has not been a very good operator either for Aurora or in the State uh they had a massive fine last year by the cogcc they agreed to do work in lieu of that fine or most of that fine they only have one well in Aurora which is great but technically it's still producing a barrel per month on some months but in general it is not economic it needs to be plugged we are working with them to try to get that plugged as soon as possible but we are at their discretion as well in that regard and they have many other Wells that are much greater concern uh to both them and the state all right so here's a map showing where those Wells are located the wells and the spots in green are the ones that are currently either drilling or completing the welt the rig today for Crest olympique resources is at the Lone Tree North that's where the star is there uh in the bottom part of the map they will continue drilling those through the end of the year and then be completing them next year so these green sites are all sites that uh are finishing up the completion process and then they'll come online for production in 2023 the red dots are all the other producing locations keep in mind you won't see 130 dots there because these represent well sites and each Well site has multiple Wells on the site and then of course the black dots are the plugged Wells which I'll talk about a little bit more next um the blue dots here that I will add these are the future well sites that are yet to be drilled um the Crescent resources has indicated they're planning to drill they're as I said there are other sites that are approved in the operator agreement but they have elected not to drill all of those uh sites so this kind of gets you a feel for where those locations would be uh Drilling in the next uh three to four years since um 2020 we have had 15 Wells out of the 58 plug Wells that we have either plugged originally or replugged now why is this important it's important because in historically the industry felt that when a well was plugged that was kind of the end of its story and there was nothing else to be done what we've learned in the last uh several decades is that the cement and the and the casing the steel casing in the ground due deteriorate over time and most wells will need to be replugged at some point in the future the rules at the state level have also changed over time excuse me I've also changed over time and um look I'm much more there's a lot stronger rules at the state level I'm plugging of the wells today than there was and the decades passed so bringing these Wells up to Modern standards is really exciting if the operator was not here if crestone was not here in the city they would not be doing this work um for us and so getting these wells re-plugged in a modern standards is really exciting it should put these on track to be uh very well um taken care of for for many many decades to come so that's a very exciting thing that's happening they have additional Wells that they're planning to plug in the next two years as part of their drilling program um so we're excited about that as well about another dozen in the city um those two shut-in Wells that I mentioned earlier painted Pegasus is uh both these are north of I-70 the painted Pegasus well is in the very far north eastern corner of the city the KP Kaufman well is uh there on the screen a little bit closer to DIA so that's the locations of those two uh Wells all right let's talk about a little bit about production and don't worry I'm going to zoom in on this graph right now next slide because I know that this is very difficult to see the numbers of this is all the production in Aurora since 1999 1999 is when the state oil and gas commission began splitting out um production to individual Wells rather than reporting on a lease or unit basis and so you can see there was some production back in the early 2000s but most of it's been in the last decade since the first night of bear well was drilled let me zoom in on this now all right so here's production in the last decade the first ni bro formation well which is the first horizontal well was drilled in February of 2013. on this graph we've got natural gas in the red um and the values on the graph itself are in uh units per month so for the natural gas that's mcf per month the green is the oil production and that is in barrels per month and the water is the produced water that comes out with the oil and gas and that is in blue also in barrels per month on the axis on the right is the well count and that's the Gray Line you can see that's increasing from about 10 back in 2013 all the way up to 94 which is the number of Wells that are currently contributing to this particular graph this graph is data through August of this year so it's very recent I just completed this update this week and added in those last couple of points uh in the last quarter for this particular presentation you can also see here uh where Conoco signed the operator agreement with the city in June of 2019 and then where crestone purchased the field from Conoco in the spring of 2020. um to break down those monthly numbers into daily values I have those on the right currently the field was producing within the city limits of Aurora natural gas of about 27 000 mcf per day oil of 14 500 barrels per day and about 1300 barrels per water per day so these are Big Numbers this is a lot of production that's coming from Aurora currently foreign with this data I've been able to generate um something that's called a type curve a type curve is where we take all the wells that are producing in Aurora and we take them back to a common time zero so whether they've been producing for 10 years or producing for you know a few months we take that production and bring it back to a common time zero and then see what does the production look like over time on an average basis and you can see the values here natural gas about 20 000 mcf a month at the very beginning oil over 17 000 barrels a month water or 14 000 barrels per month again this is a single well and a Well site would have anywhere from uh you know one to eight Wells typically but this is an individual well basis the reason that this is interesting and helpful is I'm now taking this data from the type curve and we'll be applying it to the Wells that are being drilled that have uh Aurora Minerals under them we have some production that we get now from from crosstone some royalties we'll discuss that in a few minutes and then we also have other leases that we've signed this year for Wells that were either drilled this year or we'll be drilling early next year so the city royalties do change over time you can see that all these production values here they do decrease significantly and rapidly up front there's a very steep decline within the first four years they recover somewhere between 65 and 75 percent of all the production that the well will have however there is a very long tail of production and how long the whelps produce really depends on commodity prices and operation prices for the operator how much it costs to operate the well on a monthly basis as long as they're profitable they're going to keep those Wells open and and producing likely for 25 years we would expect but I'll use this data and I'm working on some spreadsheets that try to project on a quarterly basis what we think royalty income might be for the city and the decade ahead I get that question from the budget office quite frequently these royalties are variable they change from month to month and year to year how do we know how much we're going to get and when is it going to come so that data is something that's going to be forthcoming all right let's talk a little about the two main functions that our department does the first is permitting these are the numbers of permits that have been actually submitted in this calendar year and approved in this calendar year keeping in mind that sometimes there is overlap uh and and year to year calendar years and how long it takes to get these approved the operator agreement allows 13 weeks for the well sites um that includes time for the operator to respond to each round of comments and sometimes they don't respond in the time that they're expected to respond so we're prepared to do these in three months 13 weeks but in some cases it takes longer than that if the operator does delay I'm very pleased to say that 100 of the applications we've received this year were all processed within the time frames agreed upon in the operator agreement I'm very pleased with the work we've done there um some of the details here the the laterals that you see the word lateral crude oil pipeline lateral Pipeline and natural gas lateral pipeline the details of that is we have a natural gas Gathering system that's constructed and we have a crude oil Gathering system that's mostly constructed here in the city but when the operator drills an individual Well site they then have to to put a Short Line in to connect the Well site to the closest point of the Gathering system itself and so that requires a separate application and those are the things you see here we receive those we've approved almost all of those so far this year we've got I think one remaining that needs to be approved on the well sites the reason they're not all approved yet one of them is the King North Well site which council members may know has been part of the discussion questions between crestone and Aurora Highlands and and the operator has not uh submitted the last submission on that yet we're expecting them to do so but I know that there may be some changes uh based on the deal that they have with Aurora Highlands which just happened last week so we'll look to see if there's any changes there the second one is one that we just had the pre-op for last week and we expect that submission here very very soon the other thing that we do with um on the permitting side is we do a review every pre-app that comes into the city so every a request for a pre-application meeting and then the subsequent application the only gas Division reviews that information for every developer and we help them understand and provide comments of how oil oil and gas may be affecting their particular project area whether it's in the urban area of the city whether it's out in the developing area we review those we let them know if there's any plug dwells on their property any pipelines any only gas locations or proposed future locations we make sure that they're aware they have the information that we have so that if they have questions about that we're available to answer that so we we've always done that and we will continue to do that in the future uh the next big part of our uh division is inspections we do inspections at every stage of development for the wells beginning with the construction phase then moving on into drilling completions production phase of course is the major uh opportunity to do a well-side inspections we do those on a quarterly basis um the other phases are as needed so anytime a site's being constructed we're out there to do inspections on that construction and then of course when Wells are plugged we also do inspections there in addition to the well side inspections we also have some Associated facilities or Midstream inspections the associated facility is related to pipelines and it's essentially anywhere that a pipeline comes out of the ground and does something at the surface it connects to another pipeline connects to other equipment or to a Well site anywhere where that happens we do an inspection on those points to make sure that they are they're clean they're they're sealed up and that everything is appropriate of course we also follow up on complaints I'm very pleased to see to say that we really have very very few complaints here about the operations in the city certainly we have comments from the public from time to time with different perspectives on oil and gas but in terms of the actual operations we have very few complaints one of the ones we had this year was noise on the yellow North site that's up near the acre parcel north of I-70 the complaint came from a resident that was actually an unincorporated Adams County uh nevertheless we follow up on any complaint that we would receive our inspector was out there talking to the resident visit him and they're home talked about their concerns and the operator made some adjustments to their operations and that work has all been completed now um also this year we purchased a specialized inspection camera this is called a FLIR camera it is an infrared camera um it's quite expensive it's 95 000 that was funded by some uh royalties missing royalties that I was able to locate talk about that here in a couple of slides um this camera allows us to see uh volatile organic compounds vocs that might be escaping from like for example flooded connections where two pipes connect together on a Well site um these are things not visible to the naked eye there's no liquids they're not it's not a spill on the ground it's something that's only visible with the specialized equipment we are able to find these and when Force goes out and does the inspections he may find one uh piece on a Well site that is leaking into the into the air and when I say one I would provide the context there that on a Well site there are literally thousands of such connections where two pipes come together or a pipe connects to a piece of equipment um that has the potential for for leaking um and to find only one out of thousands of opportunities is really really extraordinary again goes to the the high level of uh work that kind of crestum is doing for us here in the city nevertheless if they weren't corrected these leaks would be going on 24 hours a day seven days a week and it's our benefit for our environment to have those stopped it's also a benefit to the operator because that's product that they could be keeping in their system in the pipeline and selling so it's a it's a win-win for both of us um spells so we've had four uh minor spills this year you can see the dates there um and also the in the second column the number of barrels that were spilled these again are very low uh volumes of spills but they are reportable to cogcc in some cases spills even if they're on top of a liner and they never actually even get to the dirt they're still required to be reported to cogcc and that's one of the reasons that most people would say that um the rules in Colorado are very strict in fact in many cases the strictest rules in the nation at the state level so these are things that we do track and keep up with we make sure that if there is an incident or a spill that it's cleaned up right away which Cresson is very good about doing that we also make sure we discuss with them and make sure they analyze why it occurred and what happened so that they can apply that knowledge to other sites in the city and make sure we avoid spills in the future all right let's talk a little bit about income uh the first area of income that we get as a city is um as a division is inspection fees we do charge an annual inspection fee to The Operators um these are the amounts that you can see on the screen both Upstream Well site operators and Midstream operators which uh is the pipelines um that are throughout the city related to the production of course this uh these amounts are not designed to be income generating uh net revenue for the city they are designed to pay for the cost of the salaries of our division the equipment that we purchase and of course indirect fees that um that all City divisions have we do have um an issue with KP Kaufman as I mentioned before they have not paid their inspection fee for 2021 nor 2022 they are not we are not alone in that they don't pay Adams County uh Adam Adams County's fees either their annual inspection fees and haven't for a number of years they uh believe that they don't have the rights to do that or not required to do that under state law that's not true but nevertheless they aren't paying the fees we are discussions with City attorneys about this and how to resolve this obviously nine thousand dollars is not a huge amount currently but it is adding up year over year and so we're talking with them about what's the appropriate way to address this with Kaufman the next area of income is royalties again a good topic of conversation that comes up pretty frequently the first line there is crestone Peak Resources these are from Wells that are actually within the city limits themselves 142 000 in the last 12 months have a graph on that next that we'll talk about what that looks like on a on a monthly basis again that is uh Wells producing from crestone that are in the city limits themselves the other area of royalties that we receive is royalties that are related to properties that Aurora water has purchased in other parts of the state the next three examples are all from Weld County up north and so these are properties that Aurora Water purchase for water rights primarily but in many cases they also came with oil and gas rights and in some cases there are are producing Wells on these properties they're associated with the properties um so we've had two million dollars from ocidental petroleum oxy that goes into the Aurora Water accounts again that's the last 12 months the last two items on this list are something I'm especially uh pleased with so this is great western again this is Wells up in Weld County um as I begin to get into the division and look at the royalties that were coming in and start looking at the properties that we and Aurora water has in different parts of the state I realized that there were some properties that the city was not being paid royalties on at all and so I reached out to find out what was going on Great Western is the operator of those Wells they've merged with PDC now and the bottom line is when an operator um gets ready to drill well and produce a well they will create a page for each of the mineral owners called a division order and that division order States it varies explicitly to eight decimal places usually exactly the the percentage um that they're going to pay to each mineral owner on the production that that comes it's expected that the mineral owners would then sign those division orders and return them to the operator Colorado law prohibits operators from withholding payment of royalties simply for the reason they don't have a assigned division order but practically speaking a lot of operators do withhold mineral royalty payments they put them in an escrow account until they do have an actual signed division order while we had signed the leases and these cases and Wells have been producing since 2018 the division orders had never been signed by the city so I located those got a copy of the division orders we signed them we got them to the operator and late last year we got two million dollars and two payments that came into the City and then since then since those Wells are now in a monthly pay status we've been receiving about seventy thousand dollars a month so a total of another seven hundred thousand dollars um the grand total there being 2.8 million dollars again these were fees that are are royalties that were due to the city but were not being paid so very pleased that our division has been able to work um and and get these amounts actually into the city budget these are unbudget amounts they do go right into the Aurora Waters account they were unbudgeted and unexpected from what I I can determine this is a graph of those values that I just had on the last slide kind of to show you what it looks like on a monthly basis please note that the scale on the left the vertical scale is um a logarithmic scale I had to do that to get all the all the numbers on here so crestone and Blue's been very consistent about ten thousand dollars per month we expect that those will go up in 2023 based on the new drilling that they're doing the new leases that we've taken with Crest Dome um oxy there is in the gray they were about twenty thousand dollars per month but they drill some new wells this year they're now over a hundred thousand dollars per month and then of course Great Western that I mentioned the two large payments we got end of last year and then about 70 000 a month uh ongoing we also facilitate the oil and gas advisory committee I'm very pleased with the work that they do we did a field tour uh back in June with some of the members that were available Crest home was very gracious to allow us to come out to their site and take a tour which went very well um we've had one new member and five reappointments this year uh those went through Council and then there is one open industry position so if anyone's aware of someone that works for a licensed operator and would like to apply to that position we would welcome that to be a part of the the committee uh some other items we've done in addition to our regular normal work identifying the status of all the plugged Wells that's an important effort we presented to Council on the reverse setbacks and the permanent easement to the city around plug Wells we are finalizing the language of that ordinance now and we'll be bringing it forth to a Planning and Zoning commission and then to council uh after the first of the year uh air monitoring Network so we received funds and the budget in 2022 to do some analysis and research um what's the air quality in Aurora because there's very little data on that this is not just in the only gas producing area this is in the entire city um that we're looking at we've uh back in the spring we did a uh had a third party come with a mobile sampling van they sampled for uh several dozen different constituents in the air the bottom summary of that data the bottom line is that the air in Aurora is very clean um we're very pleased with that we do have some dollars and we're sending out an RFP tomorrow for purchasing some air monitoring equipment we'll get that set up in different areas around the city uh present that data on a website so the members of the public can see what the air quality is in real time we applied for an EPA Grant um last year or beginning of this year for some additional air quality Equipment um since I created these slides we were notified just last week that we were not approved for that Grant however I will say that the uh a group called the black parents United Foundation here in Aurora did receive a grant for some air monitoring equipment in Aurora which is very exciting I've reached out to Cherie there with that organization and um would be happy to coordinate with them in any way that we can so that we don't duplicate uh locations and things like that so we'll work try to work together with them um and make sure that we're not conflicting with the work that they're doing um some other things we've of course participated in multiple rule makings with cogcc our team participated in the energy and environment Symposium out in rifle back in April I was honored to be asked to be a panel speaker at that event we're continuing our work on the research of unpaid royalties I just found fifty thousand dollars last month from Crest olympique resources that was also unpaid because of a lack of a division order being signed so I think there's some more dollars out there we've been running the competitive lease sales that's resulted in over a million dollars of direct immediate income and then an expected future income of over 13 million dollars which again will be coming in the next five years and ongoing after that there is some um Cresson is also drilling some wells east of Ward six so east of Aurora Reservoir and southeast of Aurora Reservoir those Wells are in Arapahoe County so they'll be permanent at the Arapahoe County in the state but they're drilling back under the neighborhoods of Ward 6 and those many of those residents own the minerals under their neighborhood homes and so they're being contacted for releasing purposes and uh I've attended multiple town halls and a field of many emails and phone calls from residents in Aurora who are interested to learn more about the process and and what's going on and what this means that they're being asked to uh to lease their minerals and then finally just last month Karen Hancock retired and our division has been given the responsibility for all of the environmental issues in the city that she was previously caring for I'm very excited for that opportunity to contribute our skills um to that here in the city and we'll be adding those things in uh as we go I've had meetings with her before she left got connected with many of the external partners that she worked with in regards to environmental issues and so we'll be taking care of those in the in the immediate future and then finally some of future initiatives uh in 2023 the big push right now is to finish up our map-based website that's been in the works for quite some time we were very close to getting that done that's actually probably going to roll out here before the end of the year um I Marie and I just had some training this week on getting access to our web page and how we can modify that rather than going through the Communications Department they've been very gracious to help us in the past but it's time that we kind of take authority over that and start making those changes to the web page itself um incorporating the environmental issues I just mentioned completing the plugging of the two old shut and Wells we'd love to see that done next year uh we'll begin an annual soil testing over p a Wells again just to confirm that those are in good shape that there's no elevation of hydrocarbons in the soil around those wells and in future years we may have an additional inspector if needed forest does a great job with the work that we have now but as we get additional Wells we may have to hire an additional inspector uh updating on gas manual if needed creating additional informational materials physically locating all the currently plugged Wells that's something that we do primarily in conjunction with developers so when a developer moves into an area where there are plug Wells again we attend the pre-app we make sure they know that there's a plugged well on their project area and then we work with them to locate that well and then figure out what's the next step is it in good shape does it need to be replugged and then we help them to figure out those opportunities and then we're going to complete the search of the city property records for unpaid royalties and then finally one thing that's been on my list for since the beginning of the division is would love to consider adding in permitting and inspections for other types of energy resources such as solar wind geothermal into our division I think that our division does a great job with a very small number of employees we have two right now plus myself we do a very a lean Opera operation and I think that we could bring our skills to bear on other types of energy production in the city that's a long-term goal and I'll be working on that in the coming year I'll probably have some details about that maybe at this time next year and with that that is the end of my prepared presentation I'd be happy to answer any questions Kate thank you Jeffrey thank you for that presentation um council member zemonic or Lawson do you have anything yes councilmember jurinsky I just had a question um Jeffrey thank you for all the work that you've done on all of this I mean you're you've done a fabulous job and I really appreciate the work that you're continuing to do just a question on um when we were talking about the leaking and I know that those are those are you get those under control immediately but is there any um for any type of surrounding homes even though you get them under control and you stop the leakage and you you take care of it is there any type of notification that's just letting people know in neighbors or communities know that if it's it is within that boundary or whatever that that occurred just for transparency purposes thank you for the question councilmember Lawson um we do not have any notification of these specific leaks and the reason is because the volume is so tiny that there really isn't anything that um is going to be noticeable even at the even at the uh the air monitors around the location itself that the operator puts up what we see and we have videos of this is um the the volume of leaks we typically see are what you might see when you're gassing your own personal vehicle at the gas station um the the vocs that are coming off of the liquid gasoline that's going in um there are vocs there you can see that we've done videos of that with our camera so you can see the volume that's coming out while you're doing a refueling operation that's kind of the volume that you're you're seeing on a lot of these leaks they're not large they're not major um and they're like I said they're not otherwise noticeable unless you have this specialized camera okay thank you is there anything else I have one question uh Jeffrey I don't know if this uh Falls within your division or not but um I learned about the the local government Coalition um that includes us apparently uh Denver and Boulder um filing party status to participate in the aqcc's process for the the Sip um and I know there's some concern that um you know challenging the Sip and the uh and asking for additional rulemaking could lead to the EPA potentially holding back Transportation dollars and I just wondering if if is that something is that a decision our um the city's decision to be a park a party to that something that comes from your division or city management or where does that come from well it typically goes through my division so the first thing that will happen I'm part of the local government Roundtable which is just a monthly meeting of other people in the metro area in my position in different jurisdictions and then we talk about different things that are coming up what's going on in our jurisdictions any state rulemaking that's uh that's going on in terms of the local government Coalition we have participated in the past in some of those efforts to uh encourage rulemaking in different regards we don't always do that what we really look at is we look at see what is being requested what's what's the language that's being used uh in those requests and is it something that matches with our expectations in Aurora would it be helpful for our um our community or not and then you know is it something that we can um participate in so I typically would share those with Deputy city manager um to get you know his thoughts on those and and where we want to go before we would actually file something so we do have some discussions but they do generate or originate from my department in general and so is this what was the reasoning for us to to ask for or to to modify the Sip and to ask for additional rulemaking and this is specifically on the ozone um going from severe to whatever with that one step behind severe is um is there was there a reason for that that we decided to engage on it um some of those are not related to oil and gas some of those requirements are other types of Industries and so there was uh the language that was used you know in the in the documents are being prepared for filing um seemed reasonable to me in terms of um how they would affect the environment and seem to be positive rules that would be helpful for the communities that were being represented by the Coalition and and so if the Sip doesn't get changed and um so essentially what we might be doing by being a party to this is just holding up Transportation dollars because it seems like it's it's highly unlikely that the the plan that's put together in order to go get from severe to and struggling with the words before it um that it's unlikely that that's going to change with additional rulemaking or even challenging it so I guess one of my concerns is that we might potentially be like I said having the EPA hold up those Federal Transportation dollars that the city desperately needs as a result of us being engaged in this and that again if there's a likelihood of having something change that would be positive for the city it seem to make sense but if there's not I'm not I'm struggling to understand why we would file me a party to it sure that's a great perspective um I'm I'm not uh up on the transportation dollar hold up so let me research that issue and I'll get back to you on what that's what that looks like because I'm not familiar with that part of the issue I think it's only until the Sip is approved but I'm not that that could be and that's where the challenging asking for the additional rule making could hold up the final approval of it um and uh yeah it's severe so to get from severe back to serious and so if and again maybe that it doesn't actually impact us but um it seems like that's a potential uh a potential concern that we ought to look at before we challenge it and especially if there's a low there's a low probability of actually changing the the Sip and council members of vonic if I may uh council member jorinsky go ahead Janine restad director of planning and development services and and one of the advantage of uh oil and gas or oil in the energy and the environment hopefully soon coming under planning and development services as we will make sure we have the coordination with the transportation division so we'll work on that and as Jeffrey said get back to you okay thanks councilmember durinsky this is Brad Pierce from the oil and gas committee yes go ahead yeah thank you I just want to put a plug in for um the oil and gas advisory committee Jeffrey had the slide that talked about our committee so we meet our next meeting is next Wednesday November 16th on WebEx at four o'clock we meet every other month on the third Wednesday of um every other month at four o'clock on WebEx so in other words that'll be January March May July and then in terms of our vacancy on our committee for an industry person just wanted to expand a little bit so the industry person has to work for an oil and gas operator or rig company or other service company that does work in Aurora the applicant from the industry has to be a registered voter and um the operator or the company that he or she works for has to be registered with the cogcc so just want to put a plug out there for anybody there may know someone who may be interested in applying for the industry vacancy so thank you very much appreciate the time thank you does anybody else have anything okay with that um it doesn't look like anybody has anything to report so for the next meeting um it's tentatively scheduled for December 14th at 8 30 but I like to keep ped and Public Safety in the same week and I know um that on the 15th of December we can't have Public Safety that month so uh next month so um I would like ped to be December 7th at 8 30. is there any objection to that yeah okay perfect then December 8 30 a.m and with that this meeting is adjourned have a great day