CITY OF TAMPA . >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP TO ORDER. AT THIS TIME, I YIELD TO COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON FOR TODAY'S INVOCATION. >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU, SIR. THE REVEREND JERRY NORDSIK SERVED AS PASTOR SINCE 2021. A NATIVE FLORIDIAN FROM JACKSONVILLE, PASTOR NORDSIK EARNED BACHELOR DEGREE IN HICKORY, NORTH CAROLINA IN 1994 AND MASTER OF DIVINITY DEGREE FROM THE LUTHERAN THEOLOGICAL SOUTHERN SEMINARY IN COLUMBIA, SOUTH CAROLINA, IN 1988. SERVED TWO CONGREGATIONS IN NORTH CAROLINA SINCE ORDINATION IN 1988. THEY ARE BLESSED WITH FOUR ADULT CHILDREN AND ON JANUARY 19, THEY BECAME FIRST-TIME GRANDPARENTS TO THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GRANDDAUGHTER IN THE WORLD, KATHERINE. PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> LET US PRAY. LOVING AND GRACIOUS GOD, YOU ARE A GIVER OF ALL GOOD GIFTS AND WE THANK YOU FOR ALL WHO HAVE GATHERED HERE THIS MORNING FOR THIS CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND FOR THE GIFTS AND THE TALENTS THAT ALL BRING. AS OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SERVE OUR WONDERFUL CITY, WE ASK THAT YOU BLESS THEM ABUNDANTLY. HELP THEM SEEK YOUR WISDOM, GUIDANCE, STRENGTH AND COURAGE IN ALL THEY DO. GIVE THEM INSIGHT TO LEAD WITH INTEGRITY THAT THEIR DECISIONS ARE FOR THE GOOD OF ALL IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT PLACED TRUST AND CONFIDENCE IN THEIR LEADERSHIP. AS THEY ENGAGE IN IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS, HELP THEM APPROACH ISSUES WITH OPEN AND INQUIRING MINDS. LISTENING EARS AND CARING HEARTS. INSPIRE THEM TO WELCOME DIFFERING OPINIONS AS A GIFT OF DIVERSITY AND AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE CREATIVE AS THEY WORK TOGETHER. GIVE THEM HUMILITY TO SEEK YOUR WILL AND A JOYFUL SPIRIT TO ENJOY THE WORK THEY HAVE BEEN CALLED TO DO. ALL GLORY AND HONOR BE TO YOU THIS DAY LOVING GOD, AMEN. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >> CARLSON? HURTAK? >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT. >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THERE IS A MEMO THAT WE RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON ASKING TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 1 UNTIL THE MAY 22nd WORKSHOP. HOWEVER, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 1, YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 1. CAN I GET A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO MAY 22nd WORKSHOP? MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THEN A REQUEST FROM MR. ROGERO TO FLIP THE ORDER OF 3 AND 4. SO WE WOULD TAKE 4 FIRST -- WE'RE TAKING THE ITEMS UP. WE'RE JUST FLIPPING THE ORDER. IF THERE ARE NO COMMENTS OR ANYTHING, WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM. DO WE OR NO? NO. OKAY. WE'LL KICK IT OFF. ITEM NUMBER 1 -- YES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I COULD MAKE A COMMENT FOR THE PUBLIC. JUST A REMINDER, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UNDER CITY COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE, THERE IS NO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE START OF THE WORKSHOP. YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THE CITY COUNCIL YOUR COMMENTS AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. EACH PRESENTATION OF THE AGENDA ITEM AT THE END OF THEIR PRESENTATION, THE CHAIR WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. IF YOU WISH TO REGISTER TO SPEAK, THERE IS A KIOSK OUTSIDE, AND YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REGISTER FOR THE ITEMS THAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK. THERE'S ACTUALLY A QR CODE IN CHAMBERS AND OUTSIDE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO EVEN DO THAT ON YOUR PHONE. LISA EDWARDS, THE CHAIR'S LEGISLATIVE AIDE, HAS BEEN WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY AND WE WANT TO THANK TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION DEPARTMENT FOR ACTUALLY INITIATING THIS AND IMPLEMENTING THIS. SO PLEASE DO MAKE USE OF THE QR CODE OR DO MAKE USE OF THE KIOSK IF YOU DO WISH TO SPEAK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM NUMBER 1, AS WAS MENTIONED, WAS CONTINUED TO MAY 22, 2025. BUT IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK, WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKER FOR ITEM 1 IS STEPHANIE POYNOR FOLLOWED BY CONNIE BURTON AND AILEEN HENDERSON. THOSE ARE THE THREE PEOPLE I HAVE SIGNED UP. STEPHANIE IS PASSING. CONNIE BURTON IS THE NEXT SPEAKER FOLLOWED BY AILEEN HENDERSON. >> GOOD MORNING. CONNIE BURTON. ITEM NUMBER 1, 20 YEARS OF LIVING IN ROBLES PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WAS THEN DISCOVERED TO BE A GRAVE SITE, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE CITY WOULD MOVE FORWARD BEYOND JUST THE PROPERTY OWNERS, MOVE BEYOND JUST PUTTING UP MARKERS. A LOT OF HARM AND PAIN ENDED IN THE RESULT OF SO MANY MASS GRAVES OF BLACK PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THIS CITY NOT BEING RECOGNIZED. BUT ALONG WITH THAT, I COME TO ALSO HOLD UP THE FACT THAT TODAY MARK THE 59th YEAR THAT JIMMY LEE JACKSON WAS MURDERED. JIMMY LEE JACKSON WAS A YOUNG MAN THAT WAS PARTICIPATING IN A PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATION OF JUST TRYING TO GAIN VOTING RIGHTS FOR BLACK FOLKS, SOMETHING THAT IS STILL NOT GUARANTEED TO ALL OF US HERE IN AMERICA. FROM 1965 TO 2010 FOR THE PERSON THAT KILLED JIMMY LEE JACKSON TO ONLY BE GIVEN A SIX-MONTH SENTENCE IN JAIL. DR. KING ASKED AT HIS EULOGY WHO KILLED JIMMY LEE JACKSON. DR. KING SAID WE KNOW WHO PULLED THE TRIGGER, IT WAS A STATE TROOPER BUT BY ORDER OF THE GOVERNOR WALLACE. AND ALL OF THOSE THAT SIT BACK SOLIDLY AND WATCHED THE MURDER OF JIMMY LEE JACKSON EQUALLY RESPONSIBLE. HE SAY WHITE LAWMAKERS, WHITE CHURCHGOERS, WHITE PREACHERS, HE CALLED IT OUT. HE EVEN SAID BLACK FOLK THAT SIT BACK AND WATCH THE BRUTALITY OF BLACK PEOPLE IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY SUFFER NEEDLESS HARM IS EQUALLY GUILTY. WHY DO I BRING THAT UP? BECAUSE EVERY WEEK WHEN YOU CHANGE AND MAKE POLICIES LIKE TODAY IN YOUR WORKSHOP, YOUR RESOLUTION 344 THAT WAS SIGNED BY THE MAYOR SAID RECOGNIZE KEY THINGS THAT YOU WAS GOING TO BE DISCUSSING TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR BLACK FOLKS, IT'S NOWHERE ON THE AGENDA. YOU JUST MOVED SWIFTLY BY AS IF IT MEANS NOTHING TO US. YET INSTEAD WHAT YOU DO DO IS ACKNOWLEDGE THINGS THAT YOU WOULDN'T EVEN PRESENT TO YOUR COMMUNITY. JOBS IN WORKSHOPS AND JOB FAIRS THAT DO NOT IMPROVE THE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS OF OUR COMMUNITY. SO WHEN THE QUESTION IS ASKED, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS CONTINUAL ECONOMIC DECLINE IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, I'M LOOKING AT IT. I'M LOOKING AT PAST ADMINISTRATIONS. I'M LOOKING AT NOW THE PRESENT MAYOR. WHEN YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE FORWARD TO BLACK FOLKS IN THIS CITY CAN HAVE A REAL RELIEF OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OUR NEXT AND LET ME MAKE SURE FINAL SPEAKER ON ITEM 1 IS MS. AILEEN HENDERSON. YES MA'AM. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. YES. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 1. I'M DEFINITELY HERE TO SUPPORT IT. IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. SOME OF YOU WERE NOT ON COUNCIL WHEN WE FOUGHT TO SAVE WOODLAWN CEMETERY. TECHNICALLY, IT WASN'T WOODLAWN. IT WAS PRIVATE PROPERTY, THE GREATER TAMPA SHOWMAN'S ASSOCIATION. RIGHTFULLY HAD A UNANIMOUS VOTE. HOWEVER THOSE FOLKS HAD TO DO THEIR OWN GPR. THEY DIDN'T DO A VERY GOOD ONE, I MIGHT ADD. WE HAVE ANOTHER SITUATION WITH MARTI-COLON. SOME OF YOU WERE HERE FOR THAT. AGAIN, A PIECE OF PROPERTY. THESE FOLKS HAD TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN GPR. WHY AREN'T WE DOING THAT? DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. COLLEGE HILL. WE ALL KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT. WE KNOW THEY HAVE DONE THE GPR. TELL YOU WHAT, WOULDN'T IT HAVE BEEN NICE IF WE COULD HAVE SAID TO THEM, HEY, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THE GPR. WE'LL SPEND THE MONEY FOR YOU, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE IN A FIGHT OVER THE FACT WHETHER THEY WILL ALLOW US TO SEE IT OR NOT AND THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. WE KNOW THERE ARE BODIES THERE. AND THE CITY REALLY NEEDS TO WORK WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IN OUR CEMETERIES. LOOK, NOBODY THOUGHT WE WOULD BE HERE TODAY WHEN IT COMES TO FINDING THESE CEMETERIES. NOBODY. WE DIDN'T KNOW WE WOULD BE HERE TODAY, BUT WE ARE HERE TODAY. I'VE HEARD COUNTLESS TIMES EVERY FIGHT I'VE HAD FOR CEMETERIES, CITIES NOT IN THE CEMETERY BUSINESS AND WHAT A BIG MISTAKE THAT IS. BECAUSE FROM A TOURIST PERSPECTIVE, WE CAN CAPITALIZE ON THAT AND WE CAN BRING IN THOSE TOURIST TAX DOLLARS. THERE IS A MULTIPLIER EFFECT THAT WE HAVE THERE, BUT WE HAVE TO FIND THEM FIRST. AND WE NEED THE CITY TO HELP WITH THAT. PURCHASE THE LAND AND THEN WE MAKE IT HAPPEN. FOR ME, IT JUST MAKES SENSE. I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE BUSINESS OF CEMETERIES, BUT IT'S HERE. THESE ARE WALKING MUSEUMS. WE NEED TO EMBRACE THEM AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ITEM NUMBER 1. WE REALLY, REALLY DO. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET ME JUST REFRESH HERE. THAT IS OUR FINAL SPEAKER FOR ITEM NUMBER 1. WE ARE GOING TO NOW START WITH ITEM NUMBER 2 OF WHICH WE HAVE QUITE A FEW PUBLIC SPEAKERS. ITEM NUMBER 2, IF THERE IS A PRESENTATION OR THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, WHICH IS COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. DO YOU WANT TO START OFF THE DISCUSSION SIR? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE AND HOW THEY ARE MOVING ALONG. I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE PRESENTATION ON THE BIANNUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT REPORT. I THINK IT IS BEST FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO START IT OFF AND BRING UP WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. DUNCAN, ARE YOU GOING TO KICK OFF THE PowerPoint? >>JEAN DUNCAN: GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. JEAN DUNCAN, ADMINISTRATOR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY. WE ARE HERE TODAY TO PRESENT GREAT 8 PROJECTS. WE HAVE A REPORT WE SUBMITTED AND WE SELECTED A HANDFUL OF THE PROJECTS TO HIGHLIGHT TODAY. OF COURSE, WE'RE AVAILABLE AT ANY TIME DURING THIS MEETING OR OTHERWISE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. MUCH OF THE MATERIAL OF ALL THESE PROJECTS IS IN OUR CITY OF TAMPA WEBSITE. IT'S ON THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS OF WHICH ARE THE OWNERS OF THOSE PROJECTS, WHETHER IT'S MOBILITY, WHETHER IT'S FIRE, ET CETERA. WE ALSO HAVE WHAT WE CALL THE C.I.P. VIEWER. WE CONTINUALLY TRY TO PROMOTE THAT TO OUR CITIZENS. YOU CAN CLICK ON THAT MAP AT ANY TIME OF ANY PARTICULAR LOCATION YOU'RE INTERESTED IN. PROJECT IN THAT AREA AND THE BASIC DETAILS AND WHERE YOU CAN FIND MORE INFORMATION. I APOLOGIZE. NOT SURE IF CTTV -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S ON THE SCREEN. >>JEAN DUNCAN: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD. >>JEAN DUNCAN: THANK YOU. CTTV, CAN YOU PROGRESS THE SLIDES FOR ME, IF YOU DON'T MIND? IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, AGAIN, JUST REFRESHING ON WHAT WE MEAN BY THE GREAT 8, IT'S BASICALLY OUR NAME WE HAVE GIVEN FOR THE INTERNAL PROCESS OF ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS WITHIN THE CITY ORGANIZATION THAT HAVE A HAND IN DEVELOPING AND COMMUNICATING THESE PROJECTS FOR FURTHER PROGRESSION AND FOR COMMUNICATION TO THE PUBLIC. CTTV, IF YOU ARE UP THERE -- NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. I'LL CARRY ON. AGAIN, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR HANDOUT THAT WAS PROVIDED ON THE PROJECT SUMMARY SLIDE, PLEASE, AGAIN, THE FORMAT OF THIS IS BASIC INFORMATION AS FAR AS THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION, THE DEPARTMENT, THE DISTRICT THE PROJECT IS IN, WHAT WE CALL THE OWNER, THAT POINT OF CONTACT PERSON YOU CAN REACH OUT TO TO GET BASIC INFORMATION. WE'VE ALSO INCLUDED PROJECT STATUS AND SCHEDULE WITH THE UPDATES THAT WE GIVE TO YOU. WE PROVIDE SOME FUNDING INFORMATION. WE WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR BUDGET DEPARTMENT TO STAY ACCURATE ON IT AS BEST WE CAN, AND WE ALSO TRY TO PROVIDE PHOTOS. AGAIN, A LOT OF THE CONTENT IS ON OUR WEBSITE AS WELL. SO THAT'S JUST SORT OF THE FRAMEWORK OF -- THANK YOU. FRAMEWORK OF THESE PRESENTATIONS. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OF THESE NOW. WE KNOW MOST OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE WHOLE FORMAT THAT WE'VE TAKEN TO TRY TO GIVE YOU CONDENSED INFORMATION IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. AGAIN, I'LL JUST MENTION, THE OPEN GOV. MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF THAT. OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM IS ON THERE. AGAIN, WITH THE BASIC INFORMATION OF ALL THESE PROJECTS, SUCH AS THE DESCRIPTION, FUNDING AND PLANNING FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND THE GIS MAP, A LOAD OF INFORMATION ON THERE. VERY EASY TO USE. CLICK ON DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND YOU GET THE INFORMATION YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. TODAY WE PICKED A HANDFUL OF PROJECTS THAT WE'LL SHARE WITH YOU. AGAIN, WE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS ON ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN TODAY. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF PROJECTS, LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT TEAM. TWO DECENTRALIZATION PROJECTS TO SHARE. SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT. FIRE STATION 24. TPD HOWARD AVENUE ANNEX BUILDING. AND THEN AN UPDATE ON THE SOLID WASTE COMPLEX RELOCATION. THE EAST TAMPA REC CENTER, AND TWO OF OUR PIPES PROJECTS, ONE FOR WATER AND ONE OF YOUR WASTEWATER. WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A NICE COMPLEMENT OF THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON TO GIVE YOU UPDATES ON THOSE KEY PROJECTS. SO WITH THAT, I'LL HAND IT OVER TO ADRI COLINA. WE HAVE SEVERAL DEPARTMENT LEADERS TO GIVE YOU THE PRESENTATIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS AFTER EACH BREAK? >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST HAVE A QUESTION OVERALL. THESE PROJECTS DON'T MATCH THE GREAT 8 PROJECT REPORT THAT YOU GAVE TO US. IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT? >>JEAN DUNCAN: THE GREAT 8 REPORT HAS MORE PROJECTS IN IT THAN THE PowerPoint. THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE PowerPoint ARE IN THE GREAT 8 REPORT. THERE'S PROBABLY TWICE AS MANY PROJECTS IN THE REPORT AS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT. WE JUST FEEL LIKE TO GO OVER EVERY SINGLE ONE IN THE REPORT WOULD BE QUITE TIME-CONSUMING. EACH TIME WE COME BEFORE YOU WITH THE MEETINGS, WE PICK OUT A HANDFUL THAT ARE IN A STATE OF PROGRESSION AND THINK WOULD BE OF INTEREST IN TERMS OF THE SCHEDULE AND SO FORTH. AGAIN, ANY PROJECT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT, WE'LL DO OUR BEST WITH THE TEAM WE HAVE HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS OR CERTAINLY GET BACK TO YOU IF WE NEED TO. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. ADRI. >>ADRIANA COLINA: THANK YOU, JEAN. GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL. ADRI COLINA, DEPARTMENT OF LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT. I WANT TO BEGIN ACTUALLY BY THANKING COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND HAGAR. A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, THEY SPENT SEVERAL HOURS TOURING THE FLEET SITES AND LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE FLEET DIVISION. WE GREATLY ENJOYED OUR TIME WITH YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THEY ARE THE BEHIND-THE-SCENES TEAM. TODAY, THE TWO SLIDES THAT I'M GOING TO COVER FALL UNDER THE DECENTRALIZATION INITIATIVE WHICH IS IS DESIGNED TO ENHANCE OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES BY STRATEGICALLY LOCATING FLEET MAINTENANCE SITES EMBEDDED WITHIN THE USER DEPARTMENTS. SO OUR CUSTOMERS. THIS WILL REDUCE THE DOWNTIME OF THOSE VEHICLES BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO TRAVEL FROM THEIR DEPARTMENT TO THE CENTRALIZED LOCATION WHERE WE HAVE SERVICED THEM FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND IT WILL INCREASE THEIR VEHICLE AVAILABILITY, WHICH ULTIMATELY AFFECTS THOSE DEPARTMENTS' ABILITY TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO OUR CITIZENS. I WANT TO THANK OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND THE CAD DEPARTMENT, BUDGET, AND T AND I BECAUSE THEY HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH US ON THIS INITIATIVE TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. FOR THE 40th STREET SITE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU ON THE SCREEN, THAT SITE WILL SERVICE WATER, MOBILITY, AND CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION. IT WILL BE THEIR HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT WE CANNOT SERVICE AT HANNA. SO THE FIRST SITE WE BEGAN WAS THE HANNA SITE WHICH SERVICES LIGHT-DUTY VEHICLES. WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO THAT COMMUNITY WE WOULDN'T HAVE HEAVY EQUIPMENT THERE, AND WE'VE KEPT THAT. HEAVY EQUIPMENT WILL BE SERVICED AT 40th STREET FOR THE DEPARTMENTS THAT I OUTLINED. WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT PROJECT, WE ARE CURRENTLY AT 60% DRAWINGS, AND WE ANTICIPATE HAVING THEM AT 100% AND A GMP BEFORE YOU IN MAY OF THIS YEAR. THAT WENT THROUGH THE COMPETITIVE CCNA PROCESS AND THE DESIGN BUILDER SELECTED WAS A.D. MORGAN AND WILDER ARCHITECTURE. THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL ON APRIL 20 OF 2023. THE ESTIMATED CURRENTLY JUST FOR THOSE TWO SITES IN THE DEPARTMENTS THAT WE SERVE, IT'S A ROUND TRIP 16-MILE TRIP FOR THEM TO BRING THEIR VEHICLE TO THE SITE THAT THEY ARE BEING SERVICED NOW. AND DEPENDING ON TRAFFIC, 20, 40 MINUTES TO GO ROUND TRIP. WE'LL HELP THEM THERE EXPAND THE LIFE SPAN OF THE VEHICLE BY LESS MILEAGE, AND IMPROVE CUSTOMER SERVICE. ANY QUESTIONS? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS? YES MA'AM. COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY I DO APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM PUT TOGETHER FOR THE TOUR. IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN IT, YOU SHOULD REALLY GO SEE THE NEW FLEET. IT'S AMAZING. I DID A TOUR WITH THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS TEAM. I WAS TALKING TO THEM WAS IT TUESDAY? THEY'LL BE ABLE TO DO THEIR RADAR OR OFFICER CAR, FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE CALIBRATION. AND THEY WERE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. THERE ARE SOME REALLY GREAT THINGS COMING. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT. AND THEY EVEN TOOK ME TO THE SITES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THESE THINGS ON. SO LIKE THE FIRST BUILDING IS ACTUALLY A REPURPOSE. IT'S NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT IN THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHAT SHE WAS TALKING, I WAS LISTENING, BUT I WAS ALSO WRITING, NOT THAT I CAN DO TWO THINGS AT ONCE BUT ADDING UP THE TOTAL OF THE PROJECTS, OVER $450 MILLION. RIGHT AT $450 MILLION WHAT I SAW IN THE BOOK FROM THE WHOLE 8 THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT. IT'S A LOT OF MONEY BUT HAS TO BE DONE TO CREATE EFFICIENCY, MODERNIZE. ALL THE EQUIPMENT HAS TO BE CHANGED. BUY SOMETHING, DOESN'T LAST FOREVER. ANYTHING YOU BUY TODAY, FROM AIR CONDITIONING TO VEHICLES TO TRUCKS AND THE INCREASE IN PRICE OF THESE THINGS HAVE REALLY GONE UP. >>ADRIANA COLINA: THANK YOU. YES. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. THE NEXT TWO COMING DOWN THE PIKE, SOLID WASTE DECENTRALIZATION AND FIRE FLEET SIDE. NEXT UP WILL BE OUR STORMWATER ENGINEERING MANAGER. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD MORNING. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> GOOD MORNING. SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF, YOU ARE ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROJECT. I WILL GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY FIRST AND THEN PROVIDE UPDATE, NEW ACTIVITIES SINCE NOVEMBER WHEN YOU APPROVED THE DESIGN-BUILD INITIAL SERVICES AGREEMENT. WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THE PROJECT IS ALONG THE SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE AND ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE FLOODING HAS BEEN A MAJOR CONCERN FOR THE PAST DECADES. IN THE SUMMER 2015, 23 HOMES IN PARKLAND ESTATES REPORTED FLOODING. MOST RECENTLY DURING MILTON, AT LEAST 150 HOMES WERE FLOODED. IN BOTH CASES -- REPAIRS ARE STILL ONGOING AT THIS POINT. IN BOTH CASES -- INACCESSIBLE PUTTING PEOPLE'S LIVES IN JEOPARDY. JUST BEFORE MILTON, STREET FLOODING WAS REPORTED FROM -- IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND RESTRICTING PEOPLE TO GET INTO THEIR HOMES. THREE YEARS OF ENGINEERING STUDY, WE CONCLUDED THAT INADEQUATE DRAINAGE CAPACITY IS A MAJOR CAUSE OF THE FLOODING ISSUES. JUST TO PUT THINGS A LITTLE BIT IN PERSPECTIVE, DURING MILTON, THOUSANDS OF HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER WERE -- BY THE HURRICANE. TO OFFSET THIS MASSIVE AMOUNT OF WATER, WE NEED 25-ACRE POND TO ACCOMMODATE THIS MASSIVE AMOUNT OF WATER. BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WE DO NOT HAVE THAT LUXURY. ONLY OTHER WAY TO GET THE WATER OFF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS DRAIN IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO THE BAY. SO THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS PROJECT IS TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. ADDING A MAJOR CONVEYANCE TO DRIVE THE MASSIVE WATER TO THE BAY FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BESIDES THE FLOOD RELIEF, THIS PROJECT ALSO BRING MANY OTHER BENEFITS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SUCH AS UPGRADED WASTEWATER AND STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALSO REIMAGINE STREETSCAPE ALONG SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE AND IMPROVE THE WATER QUALITY DISCHARGES TO THE BAY AND ALSO WE HAVE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY TO ACCOMMODATE THE DRAINAGE BY EXPANSION PROJECT AND ALSO WE'RE WORKING WITH TECO CLOSELY TO PUT UTILITY UNDERGROUND. NEW ACTIVITIES SINCE LAST NOVEMBER, SO THE PROJECT KICKED OFF IN JANUARY. WE HAVE A NEW DEDICATED WEBSITE AVAILABLE. IT WENT LIVE LAST FRIDAY. YOU PROBABLY GET A LITTLE BIT, THE WEBSITE, MANY GOOD RESOURCES. PEOPLE CAN SEND UP -- SET UP AN E-MAIL AND GET ALERT WHAT IS GOING ON AND ALSO PROVIDE COMMENTS BY PUTTING THEIR NAME AND CONTACT INFORMATION. THEY CAN ATTACH INFORMATION LIKE FLOODING PHOTOS. THE DESIGN-BUILD TEAM IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE ANALYSIS FOR FEASIBILITY. ALSO THEY STARTED SOME EARLY WORK LIKE DEVELOPING THE STREETSCAPE PLAN. AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT WORK CAN BE SHARED WITH THE PUBLIC IN ABOUT PROBABLY EARLY MAY. WE'LL BE HAVING A PUBLIC MEETING TO SHARE THE KIND OF INFORMATION. WE MADE PROGRESS WORKING WITH THE EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY. WE GOT THE AGREEMENT BACK FOR THE $11 MILLION THEY ARE TRYING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS PROJECT AND ATTORNEY SEND COMMENTS BACK EARLY IN FEBRUARY. SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET BACK SOON. THE TOTAL PROJECT FOR THIS ONE IS $64.5 MILLION. 39 FROM THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT. THIS WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2016 AND $4.5 MILLION FROM WATER DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR UPGRADE AND $10 MILLION FROM FLORIDA ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION RESILIENT FLORIDA PROGRAM. TO COMPLEMENT THIS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, WE ARE ALSO DOING SOME SHORT-TERM PROJECTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. FOR EXAMPLE, IN PALMA CEIA, THE PAVING STARTED IN FEBRUARY. WHAT WE ARE DOING THERE TO ADJUST THE PAVING, OPTIMIZE -- ALSO TRYING TO IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE BY INCREASING THE INLAND CAPACITY. AND ALSO WE ARE DOING THE SIMILAR WORK IN PARKLAND ESTATES, OPERATIONS AND ENGINEERING ARE WORKING CLOSELY TO IMPROVE THE INLAND CAPACITY IN PARKLAND ESTATES. SO THAT IS THE WORK WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING. AND THIS WORK SHOULD BE DONE IN APRIL BEFORE THE STORM SEASON STARTS. BY THE WAY, RIGHT AFTER MILTON, WE MET SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, NEIGHBORS. APPRECIATE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M LOOKING AT THIS MAP. I SEE TWO PROBLEMATIC THINGS. ONE FROM THE DISCUSSIONS ON TAMPA CITY COUNCIL. I SEE BRISTOL AVENUE STILL ON THERE AS A PROPOSED OPTION. THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY VOTED ON AND EXCLUDED FROM THIS COUNCIL. I DON'T EXPECT THAT TO SHOW UP ON OTHER MAPS. SECONDLY, THERE WAS ALSO A DISCUSSION DURING THE TIME THAT WE VOTED FOR THE DESIGN-BUILD THAT THERE WOULD BE OTHER ROUTES THAT WERE PURSUED ON THIS PROJECT, OTHER OPTIONS PURSUED, NO THAT THE WE WERE LOCKING IT INTO ANY ONE GIVEN ROUTE, BUT AT LEAST THEY WERE EXPLORED. WHERE IN THE PROJECT DOES IT SHOW THEY ARE EXPLORING OTHER OPTIONS? >> BEFORE COUNCIL APPROVED THIS PROJECT IN NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER 21st, WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING ON NOVEMBER 18. WE PRESENTED ALTERNATIVES THAT WE COMMITTED TO EXPLORE, ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS. BRISTOL AND MORRISON. WE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THOSE ARE THE THREE ALTERNATIVES. ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS AND TO COME BACK TO THE PUBLIC TO SHARE THE FINDINGS. AFTER THAT, A CONCERNED GROUP TRIED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL CONCEPTS. WE AGREED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE CONCEPTS. CURRENTLY, WE ARE WORKING ON -- INTERNAL STAFF ARE LOOKING AT THOSE ALTERNATIVES, AND WE'LL BE REPORTING BACK -- FUNDING IN THE SAME TIME FRAME, EARLY MAY TO SHARE OUR FINDINGS ALONG WITH THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS THAT THE DESIGN-BUILD TEAM IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU GUYS ARE BEHIND THE SCENES WORKING ON OTHER ALTERNATIVES OR AT LEAST REPORT BACK TO US AND CONFIRM THAT BRISTOL IS NO LONGER GOING TO BE DISPLAYED AS AN OPTION. >> BRISTOL IS ONE OF THE THREE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED FROM COUNCIL. THAT SHOULD NOT BE ON ANY OF THESE. SORRY JEAN. GO AHEAD. >>JEAN DUNCAN: I APPRECIATE THAT POSITION. HOWEVER, THAT WAS IN THE CONTRACT. THAT CORRIDOR WAS IN THE CONTRACT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS BODY. SO IT WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC TO TAKE THAT OUT AT THIS POINT. BUT WE RECOGNIZE THE POSITION THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE AND SOME OF THE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT WAS VOTED ON AND PASSED BY THE BODY UNANIMOUSLY. >>JEAN DUNCAN: WELL, I HAVE TO SEE THE TIME FRAME OF THAT. THE CONTRACT APPROVED BY THIS BODY INCLUDES THAT CORRIDOR AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS TO LOOK AT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF THAT'S GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC, I WAS ON THE APPROVING SIDE OF THIS, I MAY REVISIT THAT VOTE. I NEED TO HAVE THAT REPORT BACK TO SAY THAT'S GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC. >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE'LL CERTAINLY DO THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND CARLSON. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU PLEASE SHARE THE WEBSITE THAT WAS CREATED? BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON ANY OF THIS. IF YOU COULD SHARE IT SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHERE TO GO. >>JEAN DUNCAN: SURE. >> SURE. SHSTORMWATER.COM. >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT. I WILL MAKE SURE TO SIGN UP MYSELF AND ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO DO THAT. I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT FUNDING. I DON'T SEE MR. ROGERO HERE. I'LL ASK EITHER MS. DUNCAN OR MAYBE EVEN MS. KOPESKY MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP ME WITH THIS. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE WORKING WITH THEA TO GET THE $11 MILLION. YOU'RE WORKING ON THE CONTRACT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT UPDATE. DO WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH FDEP FOR THE 10 MILLION? DO WE HAVE THAT MONEY OR IS IT REIMBURSABLE? >> REIMBURSABLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: DO WE HAVE A SIGNED AGREEMENT ABOUT THE REIMBURSABLENESS OF THIS FUNDING? >> WE DO. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. THOSE WERE SOME OF MY QUESTIONS. I WILL ALSO AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, WE WERE EXPECTING TO SEE OPTIONS, ALTERNATE ROUTES. I KNOW THEY WERE NOT IN THE CONTRACT, BUT THAT IS WHAT WE ALL AGREED TO. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE WHAT WE'LL SEE GOING FORWARD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS AND I'M SURE WE'LL HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. WE KNOW FROM PRIOR TESTIMONY OF THE HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE IN PARKLAND ESTATES OR PALMA CEIA PINES FOR FOUR YEARS. IT'S NOT GOING TO PROTECT THEM IN A MAJOR STORM AFTERWARDS, INCLUDING INTEREST, IT'S $130 MILLION. IN ALL THE AREAS THAT ARE FLOODED IN SOUTH TAMPA, THERE ARE NO NEW PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED. WE DESPERATELY NEED MAINTENANCE. IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS AND NO MAJOR MAINTENANCE IS GOING ON IN PALMA CEIA PINES. I JUST DROVE THROUGH IT AGAIN YESTERDAY. IN TERMS OF THE ROUTES, AS I REMEMBER, AND SOMEBODY PULLED UP THE TRANSCRIPT YESTERDAY AND SENT IT TO US, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN'S VOTE WAS BASED ON LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL ROUTES. I THINK THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO MAY TESTIFY TO THIS, BUT WHAT I UNDERSTAND SECOND HAND IS THAT THEY WENT IN GOOD FAITH AND HIRED A CONSULTANT, ONE OF THE TOP ENGINEERS IN THE AREA, TO GO TO MEET WITH MR. BHIDE TO PRESENT FIVE ROUTES. WHEN THEY PRESENTED FIVE ROUTES, THE FIRST ONE HE SAID, WELL, WE ALREADY LOOKED AT THAT, WON'T LOOK AT IT AGAIN. THE OTHER FOUR, WELL, THOSE ARE NEW ROUTES, AREN'T GOING TO LOOK AT THOSE EITHER. THE MAYOR HAS SINCE INTERVENED. VIK TOLD THE GROUP AS I HEARD SECOND HAND THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL ROUTES. IF THE CONTRACT PROHIBITED OTHER ROUTES, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN STATED CLEARLY TO THE PUBLIC THAT EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC MAY NOT HAVE SEEN THE CONTRACT BUT SHOULD HAVE BEEN STATED CLEARLY TO THE PUBLIC. THE PUBLIC DOES NOT WANT THIS TO GO DOWN BRISTOL, WHICH WE ALREADY VOTED FOR. THE MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC DOESN'T WANT IT TO GO DOWN HOWARD. UNFORTUNATELY THE MAYOR AND HER STAFF MOSTLY MET WITH A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE IN PARKLAND ESTATES. WE KNOW NOW THROUGH PUBLIC RECORDS THEY HAVE GIVEN MISINFORMATION. THEY STIRRED UP TROUBLE IN THE MEDIA. STIRRED UP POLITICAL FIGHTING. STIRRED UP ANGER THAT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY ISSUE EVER IN THIS CITY. THE V FEROCITY OF THE ANGER, THE PERSONAL ATTACKS, UNBELIEVABLE. NOW WE KNOW THROUGH PUBLIC RECORDS, IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD HASN'T SENT THEM, WILL SEND THEM. STIRRED UP BY THE MAYOR'S STAFF. PUBLIC IS ASKING WHY. $130 MILLION PROJECT THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK, THAT'S GOING TO TEAR UP HOWARD. IT'S GOING TO POTENTIALLY TEAR UP BRISTOL, TEAR UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE VAST MAJORITY OF NEIGHBORS IN PARKLAND ESTATES ARE AGAINST IT, DESPITE WHAT THE FEW SAY. WE KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP PALMA CEIA PINES EITHER. AS I POINTED OUT TO VIK IN THE MEETING, PALMA CEIA PINES WAS NOT ON THE MAP. NOT ON THE WEBSITE. THERE ARE FEW LITTLE THINGS BEING DONE NOW. BUT A SERIOUS LOOK AT PALMA CEIA PINES. WE TALKED TO ENGINEERS, SERIOUS LOOK AT PALMA CEIA PINES WOULD INCLUDE A SERIOUS PROJECT WHERE THEY WOULD BE INCLUDED. THEY WERE INCLUDED OBVIOUSLY FOR POLITICAL REASONS. WHY IS IT THAT THE MAYOR AND HER STAFF HAVE MET THREE OR FOUR TIMES WITH A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE BUT JUST MET ONCE WITH NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS ELECTED BY NEIGHBORS IN PARKLAND ESTATES. NO NEED TO STIR UP TROUBLE. WE NEED TO BRING HONEST SOLUTIONS. SINCE FOLKS, EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FOR IT AND AGAINST SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS, NOW THEY ARE SEEING WE NEEDED SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS EVEN THOUGH THEY HECKLED US WHEN WE PROPOSED THEM BEFORE. FIND SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS. CANCEL THIS PROJECT. MISINFORMATION PRESENTED TO US AND THE COMMUNITY. NEED TO CANCEL IT, START OVER AND CREATE AN HONEST LOOK AT WHAT THE SOLUTIONS ARE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE, ALL THE PEOPLE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS DESERVE TO BE PROTECTED AS DO THE PEOPLE IN THE REST OF THE CITY WHOSE HOUSES WERE FLOODED. THANK YOU. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY AFTER THAT. I'VE NEVER BEEN PRESSURED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WAY. NOBODY HAS TOLD ME HOW TO VOTE, WHAT TO VOTE. NOBODY PRESSURED ME ONE WAY OR THE OTHER BECAUSE I TELL THEM TO GO TO HELL. BUT WE HAVE ENGINEERS WITH THE CITY. WE HAVE ENGINEERS FROM EVERYWHERE. WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT KNOW A LOT MORE. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, LET ME JUST SAY THAT. THERE COMES A TIME AS WE TALK AND PUSH THIS FURTHER INTO SOMEWHERE ELSE, THAT BAY IS THREE DEGREES WARMER AT THIS TIME THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR. WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN? GET A COUPLE OF DROPS OF WATER AND THAT'S IT. THERE'S NO MORE WIND, NO MORE NOTHING? WE'RE PLAYING WITH DYNAMITE AND WE'RE ABOUT TO LIGHT THE FUSE. IF THAT HAPPENS, NOT ONLY WILL THAT AREA BE FLOODED, BUT MOST OF DOWNTOWN WILL BE GONE AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD BE IN THE SAME BOAT. I'M NOT TRYING TO SCARE ANYBODY, BUT WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY. YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED? ELECTED OFFICIALS, INCLUDING MYSELF. UNTIL WE LISTEN TO PEOPLE THAT WE PAY TO DO WHAT'S GOT TO BE DONE, THE PUBLIC PAYS THEM. ALL OF US PAY THEM. ALWAYS JUMPING THEIR CASE IF THEY HAVEN'T DONE THE RIGHT THING. I'M NOT QUESTIONING ANYONE. I QUESTION MYSELF THEN. I TELL MYSELF, WHAT AM I DOING HERE? YOU ALL ARE THE EXPERTS, WHETHER I LIKE YOU OR NOT. IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AND YOUR IMMEDIATE BOSS' RESPONSIBILITY AND THE HEAD OF THE DEPARTMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY AND FINALLY THIS COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR TO SAY YEA OR NAY. GET IT UP OR GET IT DOWN. I'M NEVER GOING TO TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE NOT WORTH A DAMN UNTIL YOU PROVE IT TO ME. AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN. SO AS I SIT HERE, I WONDER, WHERE ARE WE GOING? EVERYTHING HERE IS ALREADY GOING TO THE NEXT ELECTION. I REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE NEXT ELECTION. I CARE ABOUT THE PROBLEM WE HAVE TODAY WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE NEED TO FIX THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE. WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY IN DOING THESE THINGS. BILLION PLUS, AND THAT'S WORKING FINE SO FAR. IT GETS TO BE SICKENING TO COME HERE TO WORK, NOT FOR ME BECAUSE I LOVE IT. YOU CAN EITHER GO UP OR YOU CAN GO DOWN. DON'T BOTHER ME ONE DAMN BIT. YOU KNOW WHY? IN LIFE, YOU DON'T WIN EVERY GAME IN SPORTS. DON'T WIN EVERY OPERATION YOU MAKE. YOU DON'T WIN ANYTHING THAT'S NOT WINNABLE. BUT YOU TRY. TRY TO FIX IT. THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO. THE PEOPLE ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, PARKLAND ESTATES, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION. BUT AT LEAST GIVE US A CHANCE TO PROVE US WRONG. WHAT ARE THEY GETTING IN SOUTH HOWARD IF IT HAPPENS? WE NEVER DONE IT. WIDER STREETS, UNDERGROUND ELECTRICAL. THAT MEANS SOMETHING HAPPENS, THEY WILL HAVE ELECTRICITY. MUCH BETTER AVENUE TO LOOK TO, AND I'M NOT AGAINST WHAT'S HAPPENING. I WANT TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE. MY CITY'S OPERATIONS AS I UNDERSTOOD IT WHEN IT FIRST STARTED THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME WAY OF MOVING TRAFFIC IN AND OUT AT A SLOWER RATE, BUT HAVE HOWARD OPEN TO SOME DEGREE SO SL COME IN AND OUT. BERNS IS THERE. YOU CAN'T GET A RESERVATION AT BERNS IF YOU KNEW GOD FOR AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS. YOU KNOW WHY? THEY TREAT YOU RIGHT. GIVE YOU A GREAT MEAL AT A REASONABLE PRICE. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT? OTHERS THAT ARE THERE. CICCIO'S OPERATION THAT MR. MIL REPRESENTS AND COMES -- THAT MR. MICHELINI GIVES AWARDS. I'M NOT AGAINST THEM. I HAVE TO GET THIS DAMN PROJECT DONE. I'M NOT GOING TO WASTE MY TIME SITTING HERE WAITING TO HEAR ALL THIS B.S. AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT BARBRA STREISAND. WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING HERE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA AND THEN BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES IN A DISTRICT THERE ARE TOUGH ISSUES AND I APPRECIATE COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S POSITION. SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS AGO IN FOREST HILLS, HAD AN ISSUE IN THE BABE ZAHARIAS WITH THE CURFEW. THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIKE ME OR TRUST ME BECAUSE OF MY POSITION AND HOW I WENT. I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S CERTAINLY PART OF PUBLIC OFFICE. I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, YOU'LL MAKE PEOPLE ANGRY. MIGHT AS WELL DO IT FOR WHAT YOU THINK IS THE RIGHT THING. ON THIS ISSUE, I'M GOING WITH CITY PROFESSIONALS ON IT. I'VE LISTENED TO EVERYBODY. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA MENTIONED SOME FOLKS. I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE. CONTINUE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS, BUT THAT'S THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF DEFERENCE IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION I GIVE TO. ISSUES MENTIONED WITH BRISTOL AND WE CAN, IF NEED BE, ROLL THE TAPE ON THE DAY OF THE VOTE, THAT'S FINE. I REMEMBER THAT WAS VOTED ON BEFORE HELENE AND MILTON AND AGAIN A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT ISSUES. I WOULD SAY, THOUGH, IN DEFERENCE TO WHAT COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN SAID, IN DOING THIS, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY -- IT IS A CONTROVERSIAL PROJECT FOR SOME. THE NEED FOR CONTINUED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AS WELL AS ELECTED OFFICIAL ENGAGEMENT LIKE OBVIOUSLY IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS OPEN AND OBVIOUS FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS. THAT'S WHY BRIEFINGS LIKE THIS ARE SO IMPORTANT SO THAT WE SEE ALL AVENUES ARE EXHAUSTED TO MITIGATE THE HARM THAT'S GOING TO COME FROM THIS TO THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THE IMMEDIATE IMPACT. IT'S GOING TO BE TIME LIMITED. I SAY THIS WHEN I MEDIATE CASES. IN LIFE THERE ARE THINGS BLACK AND WHITE AND THEN A LOT OF GRAY. THIS IS ONE OF THE GRAYS. I OPTED FOR THE SIDE OF THE GRAY THAT I THINK SUPPORTS THE GREATER GOOD. I HOPE THAT WE CONTINUE TO STAY THERE. FOR ME, THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE OF POLITICS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. FOR ME, I CAME TO MY CONCLUSION BASED ON AFTER HELENE AND MILTON AND LISTENING TO PROFESSIONALS AND TALKING TO PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DID MAKE A PROMISE TO PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON HOW I WOULD VOTE. AGAIN, NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS. I ANNOUNCED I'M NOT RUNNING FOR MAYOR. I DID THAT FOR A REASON SO WHENEVER WE DEAL WITH ISSUES LIKE THIS, OH, HE'S POSITIONING HIMSELF. NO NO NO NO. I'M JUST, AGAIN I OBJECTIVELY WENT WITH THE INFORMATION. IF THERE IS GREATER INFORMATION OUT THERE, PLEASE GIVE IT TO ME SO WE CAN CONSIDER. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. I'M GOING WITH WHAT I OBJECTIVELY CONSIDER TO BE THE GREATER GOOD ON THIS. I HOPE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY UNREASONABLE DELAYS ON THIS. AGAIN, IF MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WANT INFORMATION, THINGS HAVE BEEN MENTIONED ON BRISTOL, ON ALTERNATIVE ROUTES TO MAKE SURE WE CONSIDER EVERYTHING, I'M ALL FOR THAT. I THINK THAT'S WONDERFUL. AGAIN, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE DO THIS IN THE MOST COLLABORATIVE, INCLUSIVE WAY WITH ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS. I JUST DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT SERVES AS REAL BIG DELAY ON THIS. AGAIN, I SPEAK FOR LUIS VIERA. I MADE MY COMMITMENT ON THIS. I INTEND WITH THE INFORMATION I HAVE GO THROUGH. I THINK IT IS THE GREATER GOOD AND IN MY OPINION THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THANK YOU. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION I DIDN'T ASK. THIS GOES FOR SEVERAL OF THE PROJECTS IN THIS PRESENTATION. IT SAYS ESTIMATED PROJECT COMPLETION 2027. IS THAT FISCAL YEAR OR CALENDAR YEAR? AND WHAT QUARTER CAN WE EXPECT? IT IS A REALLY BIG YEAR. IF WE CAN NARROW IT DOWN. THAT IS A WHILE AWAY. QUARTER ONE OF '27 MIGHT BE A LITTLE CLOSER. I WOULD ASK THAT IN THE FUTURE IF YOU COULD -- EVEN IF IT IS NOT PERFECT, JUST A NICE WHETHER IT IS FISCAL YEAR AND WHAT DO WE EXPECT QUARTER-WISE BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE PUBLIC, THEY WANT THE PROJECT DONE BUT HAVING A LITTLE EXPECTATION AROUND IT IS HELPFUL. >>JEAN DUNCAN: APPRECIATE THAT SUGGESTION. WE TALKED ABOUT HOW TO BEST CAPTURE THE TIME FRAMES. WE DON'T WANT TO OVERPROMISE AND UNDER DELIVER. WE ARE WORKING ON A QUARTER TARGET VERSUS A YEAR TARGET. WE DON'T WANT CONFUSION BETWEEN FISCAL AND CALENDAR. APPRECIATE THAT SUGGESTION. WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON THAT. I DO WANT TO ADD THAT EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE A LONG TIME FRAME, AS EACH SEGMENT IS CONSTRUCTED, WHICH IS ABOUT TWO MONTHS PER SEGMENT TO GET IT OUT OF THE WAY OF THE BUSINESSES QUICKLY, AS EACH SEGMENT IS CONSTRUCTED WE ARE SEEING THE PROGRESSIVE BENEFIT OF THE PROJECT. WE DON'T WAIT UNTIL THE VERY END TO SEE THE BENEFIT. EACH TIME WE GET A CONSTRUCTION SEGMENT DONE, WE'RE GETTING MORE BENEFIT AND MORE MITIGATION COMING IN. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL BACK IT UP. IF THE TIMELINE GOES WITH WHAT YOU'RE EXPECTING RIGHT NOW, IF EVERYTHING GOES SMOOTHLY, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO BEGIN THE PROJECT? LIKE BETWEEN ONE TO TWO QUARTERS, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO BEGIN IF EVERYTHING GOES PERFECTLY? >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE HAVE EARLY WORK THAT WILL BE COMING UP. >> OUR TARGET FOR THE DESIGN IS 18 MONTHS. SO WE STARTED JANUARY, SO WE ARE SHOOTING FOR PROBABLY '26. SUMMER OF '26. DESIGN PHASE. >>LYNN HURTAK: SHOVELS IN THE GROUND IN SUMMER OF '26. >> RIGHT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN AND THEN CARLSON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, LET'S START WITH BASICS ON CONTRACTS. CONTRACTS CAN BE AMENDED. CONTRACTS CAN BE ADDED TO. ADDENDUMS. I'M SURE THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A SINGLE CONTRACT THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA ENTERS INTO FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE VERY END THAT WE HAVEN'T RENEGOTIATED OR ADDED SOMETHING TO OR TAKEN SOMETHING AWAY. JUST A COMMON PART OF BUSINESS. LET'S TAKE THAT AS AN ASSUMPTION. SOMETHING CHARLIE MIRANDA SAID I WANTED TO ECHO DOWN ON. THE VERY FIRST TIME WE WERE BRIEFED ON THIS, I WAS ASSURED THAT THERE WOULD ALWAYS BE ACCESS, VERY, VERY FIRST BRIEFING, EARLY ON IN THIS PROJECT, THAT BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD WOULD ALWAYS HAVE ACCESS. NOW, AS THIS PROGRESSED, THAT CHANGED, BUT THE VERY, VERY FIRST THING I WAS ASSURED ALL BUSINESSES WOULD HAVE ACCESS, THEY WOULD NOT BE CUT OFF. ON SOMETHING YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THE PROJECT, MAYBE I DON'T UNDERSTAND HYDROLOGY EVEN THOUGH I STUDIED IT A COUPLE OF YEARS IN COLLEGE. UNTIL THIS ENTIRE SYSTEM IS CONNECTED TO AN OUTFALL, I DON'T SEE HOW IT CAN BE INCREMENTALLY HELPFUL. UNTIL THE PROJECT IS FULLY FLOWING, THE WATER IS GOING TO ACCUMULATE WHENEVER IT IS ACCUMULATING. IT'S GOT TO GO TO THE OUTFALL. >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE START AT THE OUTFALL. WE WORK NORTHWARD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S STARTING AT BAYSHORE. >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS A GOOD ANSWER. THANK YOU. I WAS LIKE, HOW DOES THAT WORK. I WAS GOING TO GO THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE ALL THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. LASTLY, I JUST -- THIS IS PART OF THAT, AGAIN, PART OF THE FRUSTRATION AND I THINK IT IS THE AVERAGE CITIZEN'S FRUSTRATION WITH GOVERNMENT IS WHY NOT. WHY NOT, MAYBE IT WILL COST A LITTLE EXTRA MONEY, BUT AT LEAST, WHY CAN'T WE PUT IT -- MAYBE, MAYBE THE PLAN IS PERFECT. MAYBE THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE PERFECT PLAN. BUT WHY NOT EXPLORE, FULLY FLESH OUT ONE OR TWO OF THE OTHER OPTIONS SO WE CAN LOOK AT THIS, SO WE CAN LOOK AT EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE AT THE SAME TIME SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT THIS OPTION PROVIDES, WHAT THIS OPTION PROVIDES, HOW MUCH THIS COSTS, THIS IS HOW MUCH THIS COSTS. BECAUSE CLEARLY THE IMPACT -- IF IT COMES DOWN THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO SUCK IT UP, SO BE IT, SOMEBODY HAS TO SUCK IT UP, I THINK THERE ARE STILL UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. I THINK THAT WAS MY POINT DURING THE DISCUSSION WHEN WE PASSED THE CONTRACT IS ENSURING AT LEAST THESE THINGS ARE FLUSHED OUT. THE DISCUSSIONS ARE MADE OR HAD, AND ALL OF THESE IDEAS ARE OUT THERE ON THE TABLE. EVERYTHING IS FULL SUNSHINE, WHETHER YOU ARE BERNS OR PARKLAND ESTATES WITH WATER LAPPING UP ON YOUR DOOR OR IN PALMA CEIA PINES, THAT THEY CAN REALLY SEE THAT FULL TRANSPARENCY THAT WE LOOKED AT THIS WAY, LOOKED AT THIS WAY. THE BEST OPTION IS XYZ. I THINK PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THERE'S -- THAT THOSE THINGS WEREN'T FULLY, AT LEAST IN THE PUBLIC, AT LEAST FROM MY VIEW, ARE NOT FULLY FLUSHED OUT. >>JEAN DUNCAN: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. YOU HAVE HIT IT ON THE MARK. EXACTLY WHAT YOU DESCRIBED IS WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO PRESENT IN MAY. PART OF THE PROJECT FOR US HAS BEEN EVERYONE WANTS THE ANSWERS BEFORE WE HAVE GOTTEN STARTED. WE JUST GOT STARTED OFFICIALLY IN JANUARY. WE APPRECIATE THE CHANCE TO GET STARTED. WE WANT TO BRING A SIMPLE COMPARISON OF ALL THE ALTERNATIVES WE'VE RECEIVED, THE ONES WE HAD ALREADY PLANNED TO LOOK AT AND SHOW HOW THOSE STACK UP IN TERMS OF COST, TIME FRAMES, IMPACTS -- CONSTRUCTION IMPACTS THAT ARE INCONVENIENT, TREE IMPACTS, THE WHOLE GAMUT OF THINGS THAT ARE TOUCHED WHEN WE BUILD SOMETHING AND SHOW VERY SIMPLY TO EVERYONE HOW THEY ARE FLESHED OUT AND WHAT LOOKS LIKE THE QUICKEST, MOST REASONABLE, FEASIBLE OPTION TO GO WITH. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO IN MAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MS. DUNCAN. THAT WOULD EXACTLY MEET THE EXPECTATIONS AND MEET THE EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT WE DISCUSS DURING THE MEETING OF HAVING THAT DISCUSSION TOO. IF THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING AND THESE THINGS ARE STILL ON THE TABLE AND STILL DISCUSSING THOSE AND BRING THOSE TO US IN MAY, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: THE STATEMENT WAS JUST MADE THAT WE JUST STARTED. IT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE WHAT WAS SAID TO US A FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED WHEN YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, WILL ALL OPTIONS BE REVIEWED AND THE ANSWER WAS SOMETHING LIKE WE'RE -- THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO START BECAUSE WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT. WE ALREADY KNOW THAT IF WE'RE JUST STARTING AND NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WHY IS HOWARD ALREADY PICKED? WHY ONLY THREE OPTIONS? THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THEY ARE NOT DOING AN HONEST REVIEW OF IT. WE KNOW FROM PUBLIC RECORDS THAT THE REVIEWS DONE BEFORE, NOW THAT OTHER ENGINEERS OUTSIDE HAVE LOOKED, THOSE WERE NOT THOROUGH ANALYSES. NOW THE EXCUSE IS SIGNED AND SEALED AND ALL THIS. WE KNOW IN THE CASE OF TOILET TO TAP, PRESENTED MISINFORMATION. KILLED IT THREE TIMES. SHOULDN'T BLANKET TRUST SOMEBODY. IF ADMINISTRATION WANTS SOMETHING FOR POLITICAL OR WHATEVER REASONS, THEY'LL PUSH FOR IT. IN THIS CASE, THE MAYOR STEPPED IN TO FORCE THE DEPARTMENT -- THE DEPARTMENT SAID NO THEY WERE NOT GOING TO LOOK AT ANY NEW OPTIONS. THEY SAID IT LAST WEEK. NOW THE MAYOR STEPPED IN TO FORCE THEM TO LOOK AT IT. IF THE MAYOR FORCES THEM TO LOOK AT NEW OPTIONS, THAT MEANS THE CONTRACT HAS TO BE CHANGED. IF THE MAYOR CAN CHANGE THE CONTRACT, WHY CAN'T WE? WE VOTED BEFORE THE CONTRACT WE WOULDN'T INCLUDE BRISTOL BUT SOMEHOW SQUEEZED IN. JUST LIKE ON FRANKLIN STREET, WE ORDERED THE RED LIGHT BE PULLED OUT AND PUT IN AND THE CONTRACTOR HAD TO TAKE IT OUT. IF WE ARE DEALING WITH ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF WORKING WITH US AS WELL, THAT WOULD BE FINE. MOST OF THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT PEOPLE WORKED WELL ON PROJECTS. IN LEADERSHIP, BOUND AND DETERMINED TO GET IT DONE. OTHER ENGINEERS AND EXPERTS THAT LOOKED AT THIS OUTSIDE AND FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE CALLED EXPERTS ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY AND SOME AROUND THE WORLD, THEY NOT ONLY LAUGH AT THE PROCESS BECAUSE IT IS SO INCOMPLETE AND NOT SCIENTIFIC BUT THEY ALSO LAUGH BECAUSE PUTTING CULVERTS DOWN A STREET IS LIKE 50-YEAR-OLD TECHNOLOGY. CITIES DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE. IT'S NOT A REASONABLE THING THAT THE CITY SHOULD DO. SOMEHOW THE ADMINISTRATION HAS SOLD US ON AN OLD IDEA, BAD IDEA THAT WILL HARM THE COMMUNITY IN LOTS OF WAYS, INCLUDING THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF AND NOT EFFECTIVELY IN A MAJOR STORM. FOUR, FIVE YEARS, AFTER SPENDING $130 MILLION AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL FLOOD AGAIN AND COME TO US AND ASK US WHY. THE REASON WHY I'M PUSHING RIGHT NOW IS NOT POLITICAL REASONS. IT'S BECAUSE IT IS MY DISTRICT. I HAVE A DUTY TO MAKE SURE THE FOLKS DON'T GET FLOODED. NO SHORT-TERM SOLUTION FOR THEM. LONG-TERM SOLUTION IS NOT GOING TO PREVENT THEM FROM BEING FLOODED IN A HURRICANE. LET'S LOOK AT NOT ONLY NEW ROUTES, BUT BETTER, MODERN TECHNOLOGY TO FIX THIS. THANK YOU. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THIS WILL BE MY LAST ON THIS SUBJECT MATTER. I'M NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY, BUT I CAN TELL YOU MORE THAN YESTERDAY. SOME 30 YEARS AGO, BACK IN THE MID '90s, MAYOR GRECO ASKED ME TO GO TO THE OFFICE AND I THINK MAYOR GRECO STILL HERE, SO AM I. BOTH ON THIS SIDE OF THE ASPHALT STILL. FERNANDO NORIEGA WHO WAS THERE, NO LONGER HERE. THE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT FLOODING, ALL OF SOUTH TAMPA. I REMEMBER THE FIGURE, THIS IS 30 YEARS AGO, OVER $3 BILLION. YOU KNOW WHY? YOU HAD TO GO NORTH LIKE 20 SOME MILES, 30 MILES WITH A PIPE. WATER DOESN'T TRAVEL VERY WELL GOING NORTH. IT TRAVELS REAL EASY GOING SOUTH. HAD TO PUMP IT UP WITH MOTORS FROM ELECTRICITY, BUILD A RESERVOIR IN FOUR, FIVE HUNDRED ACRE PLACE THAT YOU HAD TO BUY. SIX, SEVEN BILLION GALLONS OF WATER, BRING THE WATER UP, AND WE WEREN'T EVEN SURE WE COULD FIX IT THEN. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WATER IS GOING TO FALL. WE KEEP ABUSING NATURE AND THEY THINK IT'S A JOKE, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN KENTUCKY AND TENNESSEE, WEST VIRGINIA, SOUTH CAROLINA, JUST RECENTLY, A WEEK AGO. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN CALIFORNIA, NOT ONLY GET FIRE, THEY HAD MUD SLIDES. WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THE RIGHT THING? I'M REALLY IN AWE ABOUT THIS. I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. IF YOU DON'T DRIVE DOWN THE BAYSHORE BOULEVARD, YOU SEE PIPES ABOUT 16, 20 INCHES, ABOUT 15, 20, 30 OF THEM. THAT'S WHERE THE WATER DRAINS INTO THE BAY. I'M NOT REAL SMART, AND I DON'T CLAIM TO BE A GENIUS, BUT I'LL TELL YOU ONE THING, THE VOLUME OF WATER BY WEIGHT COMING IN VERSUS THE VOLUME OF WATER GOING OUT, IT'S 1% VERSUS 100% COMING IN. WHEN THE VOLUME OF WATER HITS THAT WATER WHEN IT IS HIGH TIDE, WHERE DO YOU THINK THE WATER IS GOING? DO YOU THINK IT WILL CONTINUE TO GO OUT? MAYBE THIS COUNCIL OR THIS MAYOR, SOMEBODY CAN TELL ME THERE ARE OTHER REASONS YOU CAN TAKE THE WATER. TELL ME WHERE IT IS GOING IF WATER NATURALLY DRAINS SOUTH. DOESN'T DRAIN NORTH. SO IF THAT VOLUME OF WATER IS A HUNDRED TIMES MORE THAN IT IS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE BILLIONS AND TRILLIONS OF GALLONS VERSUS THOUSANDS AND MILLIONS GOING OUT, WHEN IT HITS, THE WATER WILL COME RIGHT BACK WHERE IT CAME FROM. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHAT IS THE NEXT PROJECT? >>JEAN DUNCAN: NEXT UP WE HAVE CHIEF TRIPP TO TALK ABOUT FIRE STATION 24 AND OUR CAD REPRESENTATIVE HERE TO SUPPORT HER AS NEEDED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING MA'AM. HOW ARE YOU? >>CHIEF TRIPP: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. TAMPA FIRE RESCUE. HOPE YOU ARE HAVING A BLESSED, THANKFUL THURSDAY. I'LL TALK ABOUT THE TFR, STATION 24. IT'S BEEN ONGOING. WE STARTED BACK IN '21 LOOKING FOR PROPERTY AND WE DID HAVE SOME CITY PROPERTY UP AT GRECO AREA. THIS IS KIND OF LIKE ON THE SOUTHERN PART OF GRECO, RIGHT OFF OF THE RECREATION CENTER, THE SOUTHERN PART RIGHT OFF OF WHITE WAY. I GUESS THROUGH THE MEASUREMENTS OF TWO PARCELS PUT TOGETHER, RIGHT AT THREE ACRES. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT A 1100 SQUARE FOOT FIRE STATION THERE. AS I GO BACK TO '21 AND '22 WHEN WE ADDED ANOTHER RESOURCE TO STATION 13 TO HELP OUT PER COUNCILMAN VIERA REQUEST TO HELP OUT -- VERY EXTREME AND BASICALLY UNSAFE FOR A LOT OF THE FIREFIGHTERS TO FIGHT. WE ADDED SOME ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO THE STATION. NOW WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR SOME PROPERTY TO HOUSE THEM. WE'VE LOCATED THIS POSITION. NEXT SLIDE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE WE GO. >>CHIEF TRIPP: THANK YOU. ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS JUST SOME BRIEF INFORMATION TALKING ABOUT WHERE IT'S LOCATED. 1100 SQUARE FOOT OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT AT THAT LOCATION. THAT IS THE PLAN. AND BASICALLY TO HELP WITH THE CONTINUED GROWTH OF IT. WE HAVE NOT STARTED THE DESIGN YET. WE HAVEN'T HAD THE KICKOFF MEETING AND THAT'S FORTHCOMING AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. THIS IS THE LOCATION. AS I STATED, IF YOU LOOK AT THE GRECO COMPLEX AREA AND LIKE I SAID, IT IS JUST SOUTHWEST OF THAT LOCATION, AND WE ARE LOOKING TO TAKE THOSE PARCELS THAT BELONG TO THE CITY AND COMBINE THEM TOGETHER. ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO HELP OUT WITH THE RESOURCES, THE CALL VOLUME THAT'S UP IN THAT NORTH TAMPA AREA TO KIND OF DECREASE THE WORKLOAD FOR THE ONE APPARATUS THAT'S IN THAT AREA. OF COURSE, DEFINITELY GOING TO HELP OUT WITH THE GROWTH OF THE CITY. THE COST THAT THEY HAVE, OF COURSE, IT'S BEEN PROJECTED AT 24 MILLION AND, OF COURSE, DEFINITELY GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO DECREASE THAT AMOUNT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS. THIS IS A LONG TIME COMING AND ALSO COUNCILMAN VIERA, WHO HAS BEEN FIGHTING AND PUSHING FOR THIS AND THE SUPPORT OF COUNCIL FOR GETTING THIS DONE BECAUSE IT'S SO NEEDED. WE HEAR FROM THE UNION. WE HEAR FROM YOUR TEAM. WE HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY. AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU PUBLICLY. COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU WERE FIRST. COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND MIRANDA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, I AGREE WITH -- THANKS. I REMEMBER CHIEF TRIPP, WHEN DID YOU FIRST COME IN? '21. >>CHIEF TRIPP: OFFICIALLY SWORN IN JUNE OF '21. >>LUIS VIERA: YOUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS WAS STATION 25. THE ISSUES AT STATION 13, IT WAS FUNNY, I LAUGH ABOUT THIS. I REMEMBER WHEN YOU ALLOWED ME TO PRETTY MUCH SPEND THE NIGHT AT STATION 13. THAT WAS BEYOND KIND OF YOU. AS AN ATTORNEY I LOOK BACK AND I'M LIKE, OKAY, COOL. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I APPRECIATE THAT. I WAS LAUGHING ABOUT THAT WITH A FIREFIGHTER A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. THIS CONTINUES TO BE URGENT. WE GOT THE SOLID DOWN PAYMENT THAT YOU FOUGHT FOR WHEN YOU GOT IN ON STATION 25, WHICH IS GREAT, WHICH REALLY HELPS OUT THE FOLKS OVER AT STATION 13. I KNOW WE'RE SEEING IMPROVED NUMBERS. BEFORE THAT, AS YOU KNOW, STATION 13 WAS ONE OUT OF 23 STATIONS, TOOK UP ONE OUT OF SEVEN CALLS. 54th BUSIEST STATION IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND WE'RE BUILDING BETTER ON THAT, WHICH IS GREAT. STATION 25 OR 24, EXCUSE ME, IS GOING TO BE FINISHING THAT, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD. LET ME ASK YOU IF I MAY, CHIEF, WHEN IT COMES TO THAT TIMELINE BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU FEEL THE SENSE OF URGENCY OBVIOUSLY AS THE FIRE CHIEF MORE THAN ANYONE AND WE WERE ALL FRUSTRATED LOOKING AT THAT PROPOSED TIMELINE. HAS THERE BEEN ANY AMENDMENT TO THAT TIMELINE, MA'AM, ON EITHER GROUND BREAKING OR RIBBON CUTTING? >>CHIEF TRIPP: SO PRIOR TO THE PowerPoint, THE INFORMATION I WAS GIVEN AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE, IT KIND OF STARTED OFF WITH THE TIMELINE STARTING IN MARCH OF '26 AND FINISHING IN '27. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CHANGED ANY. >>LUIS VIERA: IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO CAN ANSWER THAT? >>JEAN DUNCAN: I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY CHANGE. I WANT TO CLARIFY, THERE WAS SOME MISUNDERSTANDING -- APOLOGIZE ON OUR SIDE FOR THAT -- THAT THE DESIGN WAS APPROVED IN '22 OR '23. THAT WAS APPROVING THE FUNDING FOR THE PROCESS TO START FOR THE DESIGN. SO WE APOLOGIZE IF THERE WAS MISCOMMUNICATION ON WHAT THAT REALLY MEANT, WHAT THAT PHRASE MEANT. BUT WE'RE ON TRACK AS OF TODAY, LIKE WE SAID. SHE IS ASSISTING OUR FIRE CHIEF IN TERMS OF CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION SIDE OF THINGS. AS FAR AS I KNOW, AS FAR AS I'VE TALKED RECENTLY, WE'RE STILL ON TRACK. SARAH, IF YOU WANT TO CHIME IN. YOU HAVE THE ABSOLUTE LATEST DETAILS. >> SARAH RODRIGUEZ FROM CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION. WE'RE STILL ON TRACK. WE WILL HAVE A BETTER AND MORE DEFINITE SCHEDULE ONCE WE HAVE THE KICKOFF MEETING FOR THE DESIGN. WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION LATER ON. >>CHIEF TRIPP: I SEE THEY HAVE A PROJECT COMPLETION OF FEBRUARY '28. >> FISCAL YEAR. >>LUIS VIERA: IT'S FUNNY, I'LL SAY IT, AS THE FIRE CHIEF, YOU WANT TO MOVE WITH VIGOR AND MAYBE -- I'LL JUST SAY WHAT I THINK YOU'RE THINKING, WHICH IS FRUSTRATION. THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY. YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD. I'LL JUST SAY WHICH IS FRUSTRATION, WHICH IS AS I RECALL, WE DEALT WITH THIS IN THE 2023 BUDGET IN SEPTEMBER OF 2023, I THINK FUNDING DESIGN. AND THEN IN '24 WE STARTED FUNDING, A YEAR AGO, WE STARTED WITH THE BONDING THAT WOULD FUND THIS. SO TO HAVE THIS COMPLETED IN '28 THERE IS A LOT OF FRUSTRATION ON THAT, TO HAVE THAT COMPLETED IN '28 AND TO HAVE GROUND BREAKING IN MARCH OF 2026. SO OUR MESSAGE IS TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO SPEED THAT ALONG. AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE ALL TALKING AMONG FRIENDS HERE ON THE PURPOSE, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS SORELY AND BADLY NEEDED IN NORTH TAMPA. IT REPRESENTS, I THINK, THE FIRST PROJECT, LIKE I SAID, WHEN CHIEF TRIPP GOT IN HERE, THAT SHE STARTED WORKING ON AND THAT COMPLETES THIS. TO HAVE IT FINISHED IN '28 FOR ME AND I DON'T SPEAK FOR ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT THAT'S JUST WAY TOO OUT THERE. AND TO EVEN HAVE A GROUND BREAKING IN MARCH OF '26, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT SOMETIME THIS YEAR. I KNOW THIS YEAR IS GOING BY FAST, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT JUST BECAUSE OF, AGAIN, THE SENSE OF URGENCY WE ALL HAVE, INCLUDING CHIEF TRIPP. YES MA'AM. >>JEAN DUNCAN: COUNCILMAN, WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. THE PROJECT IS ON THE MOST EXPEDITED SCHEDULE THAT IS POSSIBLE. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE MORE SPECIFIC DETAILS ON THAT, BUT WE HAVE MET RECENTLY. WE'VE HEARD YOU PREVIOUSLY, AND WE'VE EXAMINED THAT SCHEDULE NOW THAT WE HAVE THE DESIGN TEAM ON BOARD TO START, WHICH THEY HAVE STARTED. SO THERE IS SOME FLOAT IN THE SCHEDULE AND WE WILL BE PINCHING DOWN ON THAT FLOAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. THIS IS A HIGH PRIORITY FOR US. WE WANT TO SUPPORT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WITH GETTING THIS DONE. WE'RE COMMITTED TO YOU TO DO THIS AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN AND WE'LL STAY ON THAT TRACK ALL THE WAY THROUGH. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR THAT. A COUPLE OF THINGS, BY MAKING THAT MOTION TO LOOK AT OCTOBER/NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR, I THINK, AND AGAIN, I'M CERTAINLY NOT IN THE PROFESSIONAL POSITION. I'M JUST AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IN THIS CAPACITY, WE CAN SHAVE SOME TIME OFF. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. I'M NOT LOOKING AT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST. IT IS WHAT IT IS. I'M NOT HERE TO DO WHATEVER TESTIMONY, IMPEACHMENT ON ANYBODY. I WANT TO LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE AND EXPEDITE THIS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. ONE OTHER THING I WOULD MENTION, LAST WEEK WE HAD A BIG MOVEMENT FORWARD ON THE FLEET MAINTENANCE. IF WE CAN FINISH BY THE END OF OUR TERM HERE STATION 24 AND GET REAL MOVEMENT ON FLEET MAINTENANCE THAT WILL OPEN UP STATION 9 IN WEST TAMPA TO FURTHER EXPAND SERVICE TO THAT GROWING COMMUNITY, THAT IS FINISHING OFF WITH A BANG AND A BIG WIN FOR TAMPA FIRE RESCUE. AGAIN, I LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE POSITIVE BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF POSITIVE, BUT WE GOT TO GET IT MOVING THERE. WHEN I SAY HUSTLE, I DON'T MEAN THAT ANYBODY IS NOT HUSTLING BUT CONTINUE TO HUSTLE TO GET IT THERE BECAUSE THAT IS A TALL ORDER. FLEET MAINTENANCE IN '24 BY THE END, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO IT. AGAIN, I'M HERE TO PROVIDE A WORD OF ENCOURAGEMENT AND TO SUPPORT YOU ALL IN WHAT YOU DO BUT TO MAKE SURE WE MOVE FORWARD, CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH VIGOR. AGAIN, I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE PAST. LET'S CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH VIGOR IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S MY MESSAGE. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HURTAK, CLENDENIN. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. YOU ARE A LOT NICER THAN I'M GOING TO BE BECAUSE THIS IS CLEARLY NOT A HIGH PRIORITY. A HIGH PRIORITY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT TAKES THREE YEARS. THAT'S DISINGENUOUS TO SAY. IF THIS WAS A HIGH PRIORITY, WE WOULD HAVE STARTED IT IN 2024 WHEN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE STARTED AND IT WASN'T. WE'RE KEEPING HAVING TO FIGHT FOR THIS. THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE FOR THREE MORE YEARS. JUST ISN'T. IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. I WOULD PUT MORE MONEY TOWARD THIS TO EXPEDITE IT THAN I WOULD PUT TOWARD ANY OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECT, INCLUDING THE ONE THAT'S ABOUT TO COME NEXT. WHAT UPSETS ME IS THAT WHEN I JUST DID MY RIDE-ALONG FOR STATION ONE, CHIEF TRIPP AND I TALKED ABOUT THE KICKOFF BEING I BELIEVE THIS WEEK. >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES. ACTUALLY IT WAS LAST WEEK. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT HAPPENED? >>CHIEF TRIPP: ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES WAS SICK AND IT WAS POSTPONED. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S JUST NOT OKAY. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT ONE INDIVIDUAL PERSON. I AM NOT OKAY WITH THAT. AGAIN, IF IT WAS A HIGH PRIORITY, WE WOULD HAVE HAD THAT KICKOFF MEETING THIS WEEK, LAST WEEK, BECAUSE I REMEMBER THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU WERE VERY EXCITED TO SHARE WITH ME WHEN I VISITED STATION ONE. I AM UPSET BECAUSE THIS IS NOT MOVING IN THE DIRECTION IT SHOULD WITH THE SPEED IT IS. I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA MOTIONED FOR MONTHLY UPDATES ON THIS. SO I EXPECT THAT WE'LL BE MUCH FURTHER ALONG AT THE NEXT MONTHLY UPDATE. I DO NOT SEE THIS AS THE HIGH PRIORITY THAT IT WAS CALLED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CLENDENIN, CARLSON. >>CHIEF TRIPP: JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, IT IS DEFINITELY A HIGH PRIORITY ON MY SIDE. WHATEVER I CAN -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. HONESTLY, I AGREE. I APPRECIATE YOUR POSITION ON THIS. I KNOW NOBODY WANTS THEIR EQUIPMENT AND NOBODY WANTS THEIR FACILITIES AND NOBODY WANTS EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANT MORE THAN THE CHIEF DOES FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE DEPARTMENT. I KNOW BEING A MANAGER IN GOVERNMENT, IT'S FRUSTRATING DEALING WITH SOME OF THE BUREAUCRACY AND HOW SLOW SOME THINGS MOVE. I EXPRESSED THE FRUSTRATION LAST WEEK ABOUT AN ISSUE AND I THINK YOU HEAR IT TODAY. WE ARE NOW, THIS COUNCIL IS 50% THROUGH OUR TERM. COUNCILMAN VIERA JUST SAID, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DEADLINES, HOPING TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE SOME ACCOMPLISHMENTS BECAUSE WE KNOW IN TWO YEARS OUR CONTINUATION, SOME OF US WILL BE HERE AND SOME OF US WON'T. WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME OF THIS STUFF DONE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE CITIZENS AND FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND FOR THE PEOPLE OUT THERE FIGHTING FOR OUR SAFETY, BOTH FIRE AND POLICE AND WASTEWATER AND FRESHWATER AND PICKING UP -- WE'RE TRYING TO FIGHT FOR EVERYBODY. I HAVE A SUGGESTION. THIS ISN'T FOR YOU, MS. TRIPP BUT THIS IS FOR MS. DUNCAN AND ADRI AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS A BUY IN THIS ISSUE. I THINK SOME OF THIS IS MESSAGING AND HOW WE MARKET BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF $24 MILLION, THAT 24, IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, THAT $24 MILLION IS NOT JUST THE CONSTRUCTION IS OF THE BUILDING. THAT'S BUILDING THE BUILDING OUT AS A FIRE STATION AND EVEN INCLUDES EQUIPMENT? >> YES. I BELIEVE -- AND EVERYTHING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I THINK IN ALL OF THESE PROJECTS, COMING AGAIN AS SOMEBODY ONLY BEEN HERE A COUPLE OF YEARS BUT I'M STARTING TO SEE THESE THINGS, WHEN WE'RE SELLING THESE PROJECTS AND TALKING ABOUT THIS, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE DO A BETTER JOB OF EVERY ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, COST -- OTHERWISE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE SPENDING $2500 A SQUARE FOOT TO BUILD THIS BUILDING. PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WHAT ARE WE BUILDING, A MARBLE TAJ MAHAL? I THINK IF WE'RE ABLE TO DESIGN, COST, CONSTRUCTION COST, BUILD-OUT COST, I THINK IF WE BROKE THOSE THINGS DOWN FOR EVERY SINGLE PROJECT, I THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR US TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS AND MAYBE MAKE THINGS SEEM MORE REASONABLE. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES -- I GET WEIRD CALLS AND E-MAILS FROM PEOPLE. WHY ARE WE SPENDING $24 MILLION TO BUILD A FIRE STATION, XYZ CITY SOMEPLACE ELSE ONLY SPENT $6 MILLION AND I GET A PICTURE OF A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AND I HAVE TO GO BACK AND EXPLAIN TO THEM, THIS IS THE COMPLETE BUILD-OUT COST. THIS ISN'T JUST THE COST OF THE MORTAR, CEMENT, DOORS AND ALL THAT. I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB AS WE PREP THESE THINGS JUST FOR THE SALE OF THE PROJECTS AND FOR THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MUCH TAXPAYER MONEY WE'RE SPENDING AND WHAT WE'RE SPENDING IT ON. I THINK IT IS EASIER EVEN FOR THE SEVEN OF US TO UNDERSTAND, TOO, TO REALLY DIGEST WHAT THOSE DOLLAR FIGURES MEAN. AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S EASY IN THE COURSE OF GOVERNMENT TO ACCEPT THE SLOW PACES. I SAID IT LAST WEEK, SOME OF THE STUFF WE'VE JUST GOT TO GET DONE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE, BUT ON SOME OF THESE HIGH PRIORITY, YOU'VE GOT TO DO THAT SHOT TO THE MOON PROJECT. WE'RE GOING TO BUCKLE DOWN AND SAY WE'LL HIT THE MOON AND SEE HOW WE CAN SHAVE SOME TIME OFF OF THESE THINGS AND HOW WE CAN PRIORITIZE IT AND GET THESE PROJECTS THROUGH. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY THAT WAS INVOLVED IN FINDING THIS PROPERTY AT THE GRECO PROPERTY. IT'S NOT PERFECT. THE CITY IS ALL THAT WAY. WITH THE STADIUM CONSTRUCTION UP THERE AND OTHER THINGS HAPPENING IN THAT AREA, IT'S AN IMPORTANT PROJECT. IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR THE CITY AND SAFETY. SO I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR LITTLE VERSION OF THE FIRE STATION PROJECT OF HOW WE CAN CUT THIS PROJECT TIMELINE. >>JEAN DUNCAN: I THINK IT IS A GREAT SUGGESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ANSWERING REAL QUICK. ASKED FOR MONTHLY UPDATES, THE CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS SARAH RODRIGUEZ, BY THE WAY, IS OUR MANAGER. THAT'S WHY I WANTED YOU TO SEE HER A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH CHEEP TRIPP ON THE MONTHLY UPDATES. SO SHE AND WE CAN SHARE WITH YOU, AT LEAST FOR THE FIRST UPDATE THE ARCHITECT TEAM THAT WE HAVE. WE'RE SUPPORTING CHIEF TRIPP WITH HIRING HER PROJECT MANAGER. THIS IS HER PROJECT. SHE NEEDS TO HAVE STAFF THAT SHE CAN DELEGATE TO TO MAKE SURE THE PROJECT IS MOVING ALONG QUICKLY. WE SHARE THAT WITH YOU IN THE FIRST MEETING AND ALSO OUR SCHEDULE AND WHY THAT SCHEDULE IS WHAT IT IS AND HOW WE ANTICIPATE TRYING TO CRANK IT DOWN AS MUCH AS WE CAN, AS WELL AS HOW THOSE COSTS ARE SHARED AMONGST THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THE FIRE STATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MAYBE YOU ALL COULD HAVE A SIT-DOWN MEETING AMONGST THE VESTED PARTIES, BETWEEN YOURSELF AND THE CHIEF AND ANYBODY THAT HAS A PIECE OF THE PUZZLE AND SAY, OKAY, LOOK AT IT, AS, OKAY, THIS IS A PRIORITY PROJECT. WHERE CAN WE CUT THIS TIMELINE DOWN? MAYBE YOU ALL NEED TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF SPIT-BALL MEETING TO PRIORITIZE. MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP. >>JEAN DUNCAN: WE ALREADY IDENTIFIED MANY OF THE FLOAT OPPORTUNITIES. SO AS WE PROGRESS, WE'LL BE LOOKING HOW TO MINIMIZE THAT FLOAT. FLOAT MEANING IT'S SORT OF TIME BUILT INTO THE SCHEDULE ANTICIPATING UNKNOWNS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I KNOW SOME OF IT IS STAFFING. WE'RE RUNNING ON A LEAN STAFF. EVERYBODY'S WORKLOAD -- FOR PEOPLE LISTENING TO THIS, YOU ALL DON'T REALIZE HOW OVERWORKED OUR STAFF IS. EVERYBODY'S PORTFOLIO IS JUST CRAZY. IT'S FUNNY WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR BUDGET MEETINGS, EVERYBODY'S PORTFOLIO, THEY ARE OVERBURDENED. PEOPLE ARE DOING TWO OR THREE JOBS. I GET THAT. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE IF WE COULD CUT SOME OF THE TIME DOWN. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT'S OKAY. KIND OF AGREE WITH FOLKS UP HERE IN TERMS OF TIMELINES. IT SEEMS TO LOSE THE MOMENTUM. THE ONE THING FOUGHT FOR UP HERE IS FIRE STATIONS. SO IT JUST KIND OF SURPRISES ME THAT THE TIMELINE IS THE WAY THAT IT IS. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN EXPEDITE IT, BUT INITIALLY WHEN IT FIRST CAME OUT, I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE 26-27 AND NOW IT SEEMS TO BE ROLLING INTO 28. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENS. HAPPENS EVEN WITH SMALLER PROJECTS. WE PAY FOR THE TWO HOUSES. JOHNSON HOUSES AND THOSE PROJECTS STILL AREN'T STARTED. FOR ME, ALL OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, AS SOON AS THEY ARE PRESENTED, WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT THE POSSIBILITY OF THE TIMELINE IS RIGHT AWAY SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS, WE KNOW, AND IT'S NOT THIS CONSTANT KICKING THE BALL DOWN THE ROAD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE. BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THAT ON THE NEXT, I THINK IT WILL BE QUARTERLY IN PERSON AND THEN MONTHLY BY WRITING, I WOULD -- AND WE CAN DO A MOTION ON THIS, THAT THE NEXT IN-PERSON REPORT THERE BE STATEMENTS DONE OR ACTIONS DONE WITH STATEMENTS IN FRONT OF COUNCIL ON WHAT'S BEING DONE TO MOVE FORWARD THE GROUNDBREAKING TO THIS YEAR. AGAIN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MARCH OF 2026, A COUPLE OF MONTHS CAN BE SHAVED OFF. AND TO GET THE OPENING IN '27, THAT'S NOT AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST. THAT'S TWO YEARS FROM NOW. THIS WILL BE I THINK THE THIRD FIRE STATION IN NORTH TAMPA SINCE I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE. 25 WAS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN 23. I JUST KNOW FROM GOING OFF OF 23 ON COUNTY LINE ROAD AND EVERYTHING DONE THERE. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION, IF I MAY. MAY I, MR. CHAIR? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S WAIT FOR COUNCILMAN CARLSON TO SPEAK. I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. LET'S DO IT -- CAN YOU HOLD IT UNTIL THE END OF THE MEETING? >>LUIS VIERA: AT YOUR DISCRETION. >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY, MR. CHAIR. MY LIGHT WENT ON AND OFF AS I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT TO SAY. LAST WEEK, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN TALKED ABOUT SLOW-WALKING PROJECTS. IT'S A FREE FRUSTRATING THING FOR US AND THE COMMUNITY. JACKSON HOUSE, TAMPA UNION STATION, ANY PROJECT THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T PRIORITIZE -- TAMPA UNION STATION IS LEAKING WATER. WE FIRST FUNDED IT FOUR, FIVE YEARS AGO THROUGH THE CRA. AND NOW I THINK FINALLY, THANKS TO ALL THE STAFF, ABBYE AND OTHERS WHO ARE MOVING IT FORWARD, I THINK IT WILL MOVE FORWARD NOW. WHY WOULD WE HAVE A HISTORIC BUILDING WHERE THE FUNDING AND REPAIRS FUNDED BY THE CRA AND NOBODY WANTS TO WORK ON IT? SOMEBODY UPSTAIRS IS SAYING DON'T DO IT OR SLOW WALK IT UNTIL AFTER AN ELECTION OR WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BUILDING AND WANT IT TO FALL APART. IN THIS CASE ON FIRE STATIONS, THE RUMOR IS THAT I HEARD FROM SEVERAL CURRENT AND FORMER EMPLOYEES IS THAT THE MAYOR HAS TOLD ALL OF HER SENIOR PEOPLE SHE DOES NOT WANT FIRE STATIONS. EVEN AFTER THE ELECTION THAT SHE CELEBRATED, MADE FOUR YEARS WITHOUT BUILDING A NEW FIRE STATION. I HAVE NOT DIRECTLY ASKED THE MAYOR WHETHER THAT IS TRUE OR NOT. BUT A WAY TO DISPROVE IT, I WOULD ASK THAT THE MAYOR SEND A LETTER TO CHIEF TRIPP AND TO CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION COPYING ALL OF US SAYING THAT THIS IS A HIGH PRIORITY OF HER ADMINISTRATION, THAT THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR CITIZENS IS IMPORTANT AND IS A PRIORITY. AND THAT SHE WOULD ASK CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THAT WOULD BE A GREAT HELP TO US TO KNOW THAT THE MAYOR HAS ORDERED THE STAFF TO MOVE QUICKLY. AT THAT POINT, IF THE STAFF CAN'T MOVE ANY MORE QUICKLY, THAT WOULD BE FINE, BUT AT LEAST IT WOULD DISPEL RUMORS THAT THE MAYOR DOES NOT WANT ANY FIRE STATIONS DURING HER TENURE. THE FACT NOT DONE UNTIL 2028 KIND OF HINTS THE RUMOR IS TRUE. HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT AND THE MAYOR CAN SEND A LETTER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WOULD SAY WE SHOULD EMBRACE THE PHILOSOPHY OF EVERYTHING IS JULIAN B. LANE PARK BECAUSE WE VOTED FOR THAT ALMOST TEN YEARS AGO, AND THE DEADLINE WAS FOR MOTHER'S DAY WEEKEND, AND IT WAS OPEN MOTHER'S DAY WEEKEND. THAT WAS A MASSIVE $36 MILLION PROJECT. IT IS A HUGE PARK. IT IS A HUGE UNDERTAKING. WE HAVE TO USE THAT PHILOSOPHY IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, A FIRE STATION, PUBLIC SAFETY IS SOMETHING THAT IS ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL. WE SEE THE POPULATION GROWTH IN THE COMMUNITY. WE SEE THE DEMAND. I WANT TO SEE CHIEF TRIPP CONTINUE TO SUCCEED IN HER LEADERSHIP. I WANT TO SUPPORT HER 100%. I THINK IT IS MAKE HASTE. THE MAYOR HAS JUST OVER TWO YEARS TO GO. LET'S DO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. MANY WONDERFUL PROJECTS HAVE COME OUT OF THIS ADMINISTRATION FROM PIPES ALL THE WAY DOWN. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE SAY, HEY, WE BUILT SOMETHING THAT WAS NEEDED. AGAIN, BACK TO JULIAN LANE, BECAUSE I DIDN'T BELIEVE THE BUCKHORN ADMINISTRATION WOULD BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING THAT BIG SO QUICKLY. I DOCUMENT EVERYTHING WITH THE PHOTOGRAPHS FROM MACHINE, BREAK GROUND, DIGGER, I THINK THE MAYOR WAS ON THAT. BY MOTHER'S DAY WEEKEND, 2017, WE WERE ALL CELEBRATING ON THAT STAGE THAT THE -- THE PARK WAS NECESSARY. IT IS A WONDERFUL, BEAUTIFUL PROJECT. BUT THIS IS A FIRE STATION, SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY HAS BEEN ASKING FOR. AGAIN, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE HERE. WHATEVER YOU CAN DO, I'M HERE TO SUPPORT YOU 100%. WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM. THE FUNDING, WHATEVER IT IS, BUT THIS IS AND SHOULD BE A VERY HIGH PRIORITY PROJECT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: QUESTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT WAS THE CLOSE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYBODY KNOW WHEN THE USF STADIUM IS SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED? >>JEAN DUNCAN: I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND. BULLS' ALUMNI, I HOPE SOON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DEFINITELY HAS TO BE COMPLETED BY THEN. THAT SHOULD BE THE ABSOLUTE DROP-DEAD DATE TO MAKE SURE THAT IS DONE BEFORE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS PUT IN THERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEXT IS THE OTHER HOWARD AVENUE. >>JEAN DUNCAN: TPD UP NEXT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE STADIUM COMPLETED FALL OF '27, FYI. >> MAJOR PATRICK MESS MER WITH TPD. ASSISTANT KATE IS OUT OF THE OFFICE. I'M ACTING ASSISTANT CHIEF. THAT'S WHY I AM BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING. THIS IS THE HOWARD AVENUE ANNEX BUILDING. I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHY THIS BUILDING IS BEING CONSTRUCTED. SO WE WERE ORIGINALLY, OUR IMPOUND LOT WAS ON SOUTH 34th STREET. WE HAD TO VACATE THAT FACILITY IN ORDER TO SUPPORT SOLID WASTE'S EXPANSION OF THEIR FACILITIES IN ORDER TO PROVIDE BETTER SERVICE AND MORE EFFICIENCY TO THE CITIZENS. THEY WERE TIED TO THE 34th STREET AREA BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THEIR OPERATIONS ARE. OUR IMPOUND LOT LOCATED OUT THERE DID NOT NEED TO BE DOWN THERE. SO WE HAD TO LOOK FOR A DIFFERENT FACILITY TO USE FOR THIS. CURRENTLY, A LOT OF OUR EVIDENCE IS BEING STORED AT A TEMPORARY OFF-SITE LOCATION IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE EVIDENCE ACROSS THE STREET AT OUR HEADQUARTERS BUILDING. THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY IS ACTUALLY GOING TO INCORPORATE ALL OF OUR EVIDENCE, ALONG WITH OUR FORENSICS INVESTIGATIONS UNIT AT THE SAME LOCATION. THAT WILL SAVE MONEY. THAT WILL SAVE SOME TIME, MAKE IT MORE EFFECTIVE AND MORE EFFICIENT FOR CITIZENS TO GO TO ONE PLACE WHEN THEY HAVE TO RECOVER EVIDENCE OR PROPERTY AND PICK THAT UP. OTHER AGENCIES SUCH AS ORLANDO HAVE SEEN SUCCESS WITH THIS MODEL. THEY HAVE THEIR FORENSICS AND EVIDENCE FACILITY TOGETHER AS WELL AND THAT WORKS VERY WELL FOR THEM. ALSO, PART OF OUR LONG-TERM STRATEGIC PLAN, OF COURSE, OUR BUILDING NEXT DOOR WAS BUILT IN 1962. THAT'S NOT GOING TO LAST FOREVER. BY SPENDING SOME MONEY HERE AND INCORPORATING TWO VERY LARGE FOOTPRINT UNITS AND THE FACILITY NEXT DOOR, THAT WILL ACTUALLY REDUCE THE SIZE OF A FUTURE STATION THAT WE WILL HAVE TO BUILD AND WE'LL EVENTUALLY SAVE MONEY THERE. WE ARE CURRENTLY IN THE DESIGN AND PERMITTING STAGE. THE DESIGN HAS BEEN DONE. THE PERMITS WERE SUBMITTED I BELIEVE IT WAS LATE JANUARY TO THE PERMITTING OFFICE. WE'RE HOPING TO HEAR BACK SOMETIME BY LATE MARCH ON THE PERMITTING. AT THAT POINT, THIS IS TURNED INTO A DESIGN BID BUILD PROJECT. AFTER THE PERMITS ARE DONE, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT OUT FOR BID. DON'T WANT TO DO THAT UNTIL THE PERMITS ARE COMPLETED IN CASE THE PERMITTING OFFICE HAS SUGGESTED CHANGES, WE DON'T HAVE TO REBID THE PROJECT A SECOND TIME. SO OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THE PROJECT BID SOMETIME IN MARCH TO HAVE A CONTRACT IN FRONT OF THIS COUNCIL SOMETIME IN JUNE TO AWARD THE BUILD PORTION OF IT. WE WILL START ON THAT. WHAT I'M BEING TOLD IS THAT WE'RE HOPING FOR ABOUT A DECEMBER 2026 DATE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION TO BE OVER. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO HURRICANE SEASONS IN THERE. SO THE WEATHER COULD CHANGE THAT. THE ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COST APPROVED SO FAR $40 MILLION. LIKE MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, THAT ALSO INCLUDES THE SOFT COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT AS WELL, NOT THE ONLY CONSTRUCTION COSTS. MULTIPLE FUNDING SOURCES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT AS WELL. AND THEN WE HAVE THE RENDERINGS FROM THE DESIGN PROCESS ALONG WITH A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE CURRENT SITE THAT HAS BEEN UNIMPROVED AS IT CURRENTLY IS. WITH THAT, I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL MAY HAVE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. $40 MILLION PROJECT. SAW A COMPLETION DATE. DID YOU MEAN TO SAY DECEMBER OF 2027? >> WE'RE BEING TOLD DECEMBER OF 2026 IS THE PROJECTED COMPLETION DATE, FISCAL YEAR 2027. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT BRINGS ME BACK TO THE PREVIOUS ITEM OF FIRE STATION THAT HAS TAKEN YEARS TO BUILD. THIS IS A MASSIVE PROJECT. I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE SITE IS. $40 MILLION. I'VE TAKEN A TOUR -- I'VE BEEN IN BIG BLUE A BLOCK AWAY TO SEE WHAT THE FORENSICS LAB LOOKS LIKE. VERY SMALL SPACE. OLD BUILDING FROM EARLY 1960s. I GET IT. I MADE A PHONE CALL TO THE CFO THE OTHER DAY, WHICH I RARELY DO, BUT, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN MOVING FORWARD IN THE CURRENT POLITICAL CLIMATE, IT WAS TALKED ABOUT OR BEING TALKED ABOUT ELIMINATION OF PROPERTY TAXES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL DOWN, AUDITING THE GOVERNMENT, AUDITING THIS. CERTAIN NEW AGENCIES CREATED. I KNOW THAT BONDING AND FINANCE IS GOING TO BE PART OF THE NEXT TOPIC. WE'VE APPROVED A LOT OF MULTI, MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS. THIS IS ANOTHER $40 MILLION ONE THAT, AND I HAVE A GOOD MEMORY, I DON'T REMEMBER VOTING TO APPROVE THIS UNLESS I TOTALLY MISSED IT. YOU HAD MENTIONED THIS WOULD COME BEFORE US IN JUNE, BUT DESIGN AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS ALREADY PROGRESSING EVEN BEFORE WE APPROVE THIS PROJECT. SO I SUPPORT TPD 100%. I SEE FIRSTHAND WHAT TPD HAS AND I KNOW WHAT -- I'VE HEARD ABOUT IT AND MAYBE SEEN -- I KNOW WHERE IT IS AT. BUT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS A TREMENDOUS FACILITY WHEN IT COMES TO THIS SIMILAR THING. MOVING FORWARD, YES, WE'VE APPROVED A LOT OF BIG CONTRACTS. WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS MOVING FORWARD ON THESE HUGE PROJECTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT WE HAVE THE MONEY, WE'RE BONDING AND BORROWING. INTEREST RATES AREN'T COMING DOWN. I GET BREAKING NEWS ON MY PHONE EVERY HOUR. SOMETHING MAJOR COMING FROM EITHER TARIFFS, THE FINANCE MARKET, STOCK MARKET OR THE GOLD MARKET. IT'S NOT POSITIVE NEWS. I'VE SAID A LOT OF THINGS AND I GO ON MANY, MANY TANGENTS WHEN I TALK BUT I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH THIS, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE FIRE STATION AND 2028. WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHO HAD THEIR MICROPHONE ON, CLENDENIN OR HURTAK. HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I'LL ECHO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. IT SEEMS THAT WHEN IT IS A PRIORITY PROJECT, MAN, THAT GOES FAST. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE APPROVED THIS FUNDING. I'M GOING TO ASK MR. ROGERO TO TALK TO US ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I KNOW I DIDN'T APPROVE THIS. I WOULD HAVE VOTED NO, AND I BELIEVE I DID. >>DENNIS ROGERO: DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. IF MEMORY SERVES, AND, OF COURSE, WE'LL GET INTO THE POTENTIAL FINANCING OF THIS PROJECT IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL IN OUR NEXT PRESENTATION. BUT IF MEMORY SERVES, REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL TO PROCEED SPENDING MONEY PREDICATED ON FUTURE ISSUANCE OF DEBT. WE HAVE NOT ISSUED THE DEBT. AGAIN, WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION. I WILL CONFIRM THAT. IF MEMORY SERVES, THERE IS AN APPROVED REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: GOING ALONG WITH THAT, THE FUNDING SOURCES ARE BANK NOTES, GENERAL GOVERNMENT FUNDING, UTILITY SERVICE TAXES AND NON-AD VALOREM BONDS. HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THIS PROJECT EXPECT TO BOND? >>DENNIS ROGERO: 40 MILLION AT THIS TIME. >>LYNN HURTAK: ALL OF IT? >>DENNIS ROGERO: NO. AGAIN, COULD YOU STICK A PIN IN IT, I HAVE MORE DETAIL ON A MULTIYEAR LEVEL FOR THIS PROJECT IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION. I CAN GRAB IT NOW, BUT I CAN ADDRESS IT THEN. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL ABSOLUTELY BRING IT UP THEN. >>DENNIS ROGERO: COPY. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT BEFORE THIS COMES FORWARD TO US, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS HOW WE CAN REDUCE THIS. DO WE HAVE TO HAVE EVERY BELL AND WHISTLE OR CAN WE ADD THEM LATER? I WILL NOT APPROVE $40 MILLION FOR THIS, MAYBE 20, AND WE CAN ADD TO IT AS WE CAN. BUT AS CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO SAID, EVERY SINGLE DAY, I MEAN, I JUST SAW THE NEWS THIS MORNING FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES ABOUT HOW FOLKS ARE FEELING, THEY ARE NOT MOVING FORWARD. WE AREN'T MOVING FORWARD FISCALLY. SAW SOME REALLY CONCERNING NUMBERS ABOUT PEOPLE'S INABILITY TO MAINTAIN THEIR BUDGETS HERE IN TAMPA BAY. WE'RE ONE OF THE WORST PLACES, ACCORDING TO THE TAMPA BAY BUSINESS JOURNAL FOR PEOPLE IN DEBT. ALL SIGNS ARE SHOWING WORSE, NOT BETTER. SO WE REALLY NEED TO BE MORE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO RIGHT NOW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CLENDENIN. YES SIR. AND THEN CARLSON AND THEN VIERA, MIRANDA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY. I WAS ALSO CONFUSED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I REMEMBER HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. AND MY ISSUE WITH THIS WAS WE HAVE THIS BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY AND WE ALSO HAVE THIS MONSTROSITY OF A BUILDING NEXT DOOR, BIG BLUE, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. MY CONCERN, LIKE, WHY AREN'T WE INVESTING IN A CO-LOCATION OF THOSE FACILITIES? I REMEMBER BRINGING THAT ISSUE UP AT THE TIME. MY GOODNESS, THAT IS AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY AND STILL NOT GOING TO HAVE A POLICE HEADQUARTERS OUT OF IT. THAT'S JUST CONFUSING TO ME THAT WE WOULD BE INVESTING THIS MUCH MONEY ON THIS LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT COULD PROBABLY, POTENTIALLY CO-LOCATE BOTH FACILITIES. I'M JUST BEFUDDLED BY THE WHOLE THING. GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHEN THIS REIMBURSABLE WAS DONE. ANYBODY REMEMBER THAT? >> IT WAS DURING BUDGET SEASON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE ACTUAL BUDGET? >> YEAH, INDICATE CAME BEFORE US. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DO NOT RECALL MOVING THIS FORWARD. >>DENNIS ROGERO: AGAIN, I'M GETTING CLARIFICATION ON THAT. I THINK IT WAS PART OF A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION ENCOMPASSING A NUMBER OF PROJECTS BASED ON THE POTENTIAL DEBT PLAN. >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS WHAT WE WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT A YEAR AGO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT WAS ROLLED INTO A BIGGER THING? >>DENNIS ROGERO: NO. IF IT WAS PART OF A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION IT IS ITEMIZED AS ITS OWN PROJECT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I KNOW WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, I KNOW I BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE THAT WE HAD THE PROBLEM WITH BIG BLUE AND WHY AREN'T WE RESOLVING THIS? WE HAVE THIS PARCEL. AS WE SAW WITH THE FLEET MANAGEMENT AND OTHER THINGS, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS LAND, TRYING TO FIND PIECES OF PROPERTY LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THESE THINGS. IF WE HAVE THIS BIG PIECE OF PROPERTY SITTING THERE, CENTRALLY LOCATED, IT SEEMS LIKE AT LEAST WE SHOULD HAVE EXPLORED CO-LOCATING RELOCATION ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE BONDING, SEEMS SHORTSIGHTED TO BE PIECEMEALING THIS. I'VE GOT SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK. I APOLOGIZE IF WE MISSED SOMETHING, BUT GOT TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT. ALL THREE OF US LOOKED AT EACH OTHER AND GO, WHAT? >>DENNIS ROGERO: I REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION ALSO. WE'LL GO BACK AND CLARIFY. I HAVE STAFF CLARIFYING IT RIGHT NOW. WE'LL PROVIDE AN ANSWER DURING THIS MEETING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CARLSON, VIERA MIRANDA. >>BILL CARLSON: WE SAID THIS SEVERAL TIMES. WE NEED A CLEAR DECISION POINT BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT SOMETHING AND IT'S INCLUDED KIND OF A YEAR FROM NOW, WE PRESENTED TO YOU IN THE GREAT 8 PLAN AND YOU DIDN'T OBJECT OR VOTE AGAINST IT, THAT MEANS YOU ACCEPTED IT. OR WE INCLUDED IN A CIP. WHEN APPROVING THE CIP, TAKE IT OUT AT ANY TIME, CITY COUNCIL HAS SEVERAL BITES OF THE APPLE. YEAR LATER, OH, NO, YOU APPROVED IT. YOU MADE THE DECISION ALREADY. THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGHT ISSUES EARLIER. IN TERMS OF ADMINISTRATION, WE HAVE ADMINISTRATION TWO ADMINISTRATIONS AGO THAT FACED THE GREAT RECESSION AND HAD TO CUT BACK ON A LOT OF THINGS AND HAD TO SAVE MONEY AND DID A GREAT JOB OF THAT. THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION SUBSIDIZED DEVELOPERS AND THE COMMUNITY OBJECTED AGAINST THAT. THEY WANTED INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT. THE GOOD THING IS THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS INVESTED IN INFRASTRUCTURE. THE PROBLEM IS THAT BECAUSE OF INFLATION AND WHATEVER ELSE, MANY OF THOSE PROJECTS HAVE GONE 50% OR MORE OVER BUDGET. NOT EVERYTHING THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS HAS BEEN MOVING FORWARD, A LOT OF THINGS THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T SEE, BUT AS COSTS HAVE BEEN GOING UP AND UP AND UP AND THE ADMINISTRATION ADDING PROJECTS, THE DEBT JUST KEEPS GOING UP AND UP AND UP. WE'LL SEE THAT IN A MINUTE. IT'S KIND OF LIKE IF ONE OF YOUR KIDS COMES TO YOU AND SAYS, WELL, I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY NEED IT, YOU LOOK AND SAY, I KNOW YOU REALLY NEED IT I CAN BUY IT IF I GET ANOTHER CREDIT CARD AND THEN THEY COME BACK TO YOU A FEW MONTHS LATER AND SAY, WELL, I REALLY, REALLY NEED THIS TOO. YES, YOU NEED IT. EVERYTHING PRESENTED IS NEEDED. SO IS FIXING THE ROADS, BUT WE'RE NOT SAYING PRIORITY FIX ROADS. THEN THE KID COMES BACK AND SAYS I NEED A THIRD CREDIT CARD AND FOURTH CREDIT CARD AND FIFTH CREDIT CARD AND NOW WE ARE ON THE TENTH CREDIT CARD. WE'RE MAXING OUT ALL CREDIT CARDS. PAYING HIGH INTEREST RATES. AND WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE TAKING AWAY FROM OUR GREAT GRANDKIDS. IF A PROJECT IS A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, IT'S A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN INTEREST. THAT EXTRA HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IS REAL MONEY THAT TAXPAYERS HAVE TO PAY. AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO BORROW THIS MUCH. I WOULD JUST ASK THE ADMINISTRATION, STOP -- THE TAX INCREASE WAS NOT APPROVED. I ALSO HEARD RUMORS FROM CURRENT AND FORMER EMPLOYEES THAT THE ADMINISTRATION BRAGGED THAT OKAY SINCE CITY COUNCIL TURNED DOWN THEIR TAX INCREASE THEY ARE GOING TO BOND EVERYTHING AND TEACH US A LESSON. THEY ARE NOT TEACHING US A LESSON. THEY ARE TEACHING THE COMMUNITY A LESSON BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO SUFFER BECAUSE OF THIS. IF THIS ADMINISTRATION ADDED A BILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT, THAT'S DEPENDING ON THE TIME THEY PUT IT IN, POTENTIALLY A BILLION DOLLARS IN INTEREST, A BILLION DOLLARS IN INTEREST IS NOT A GOOD FISCAL DECISION. THE TAXPAYERS DON'T WANT THAT. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO AGREE TO A TAX INCREASE. WE NEED TO BE GOOD CUSTODIANS OF THEIR MONEY. WE NEED TO START PLANNING TO BUILD IMPORTANT BUILDINGS LIKE THIS, BUT WE NEED TO STOP THE DEBT. IF DEBT IS NOT AN OPTION, THESE PRESENTATIONS ARE NOT GOING TO COME TO US ANYMORE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND THEN I'LL CLOSE IT OUT. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. THERE ARE TWO THINGS I'M GOING TO SPEAK OF. THE FIRST ONE, FORGET THAT THIS IS THE TPD PROJECT. IT'S ON THE IDEA OF SLOW WALKING AND HOW SHALL I SAY THIS, WHEN YOU'RE PRESENTED WITH CERTAIN OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE YOU MAKE REASONABLE CONCLUSIONS FROM THE EVIDENCE. WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROJECT, YOU COMPARE IT TO 24 WHICH HAS BEEN IN DISCUSSION A LONG TIME, YOU CAN MAKE REASONABLE DEDUCTIONS AND CONCLUSIONS FROM THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED BEFORE YOU JUST THE WAY IT IS. I LOOK AT IT, I MAKE MY CONCLUSION. AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION -- AGAIN, LET'S FORGET THAT IT IS TPD. I'LL DEAL WITH THAT IN A SECOND. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE APPARENT RESISTANCE WITH REGARDS TO 24. NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, SIR. YOU'RE THERE. YOU'RE NOT BUYING INTO THE ARGUMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YOU MAKE INFERENCES FROM THAT. YOU MAKE CONCLUSIONS FROM THAT AND SO FORTH. THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I MAKE. IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN SLOW WALKED IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. STATION 24 IS GOING TO HAPPEN. WHAT'S FRUSTRATING FOR ME IS THIS, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT 24, THERE WAS SOME HESITATION ON LOCATION. I TOLD FOLKS, WELL, LISTEN, LET'S GO WITH THE LOCATION. DOUBLE OR TRIPLE, DON'T WAIT FOUR YEARS FOR A HOME RUN. WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE FOUR YEARS RIGHT? THAT'S CERTAINLY MY FRUSTRATION IN THAT REGARD. IF IT WAS UP TO ME, WE COULD HAVE -- WE WOULD HAVE 25 FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS, 24 FOR NORTH TAMPA. HOPEFULLY WE CAN FINISH UP FLEET MAINTENANCE IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS AND BEGIN A REAL ROBUST DISCUSSION ON WHAT TO DO WITH STATION 9 AT CHESTNUT IN TERMS OF EXPANDING SERVICE FOR WEST TAMPA. WE CAN DO THAT AND LOOK AT DOWNTOWN, SOMETHING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT. WHEN IT COMES TO TPD, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST TO THE EXTENT ANY FISCAL CONCERNS, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN HAS TALKED ABOUT BIG BLUE, DIFFERENT THINGS, POTENTIAL MOVING OF THAT AND SO FORTH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DISCUSSION WITH THE PBA, WITH THE POLICE UNION AND WITH DR. CHIEF BERCAW ON THAT ISSUE TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE. IF THERE ARE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WAYS OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY THE UNIONS, THAT ARE SUPPORTED BY THE POLICE CHIEF, WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. THAT'S MY POSITION. OBVIOUSLY, IF THERE ARE MORE EFFICIENT WAYS OF DOING THIS LET'S DO IT. THAT'S COMMON SENSE AND GOOD GOVERNMENT AND EVERYTHING. THAT'S THE ROUTE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GO, CALL MR. BARCLAY WITH THE POLICE UNION, CALL CHIEF BERCAW, HEY, LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THIS. BETTER WAY TO DO THIS WHERE WE CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT? I THINK THAT IS THE WAY TO GO FORWARD ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. I THANK YOU FOR THIS. I'LL SUPPORT THIS IN PRETTY MUCH WHATEVER WAY IT COMES OUT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IF THERE IS A WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS ON IT TO MAKE IT BETTER TO MEET SOME OF THE CONCERNS, TOTALLY DOWN WITH THAT. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. IN FACT, IF I RECALL, THE CHIEF, WHO IS NOT HERE TODAY, THE ASSISTANT CHIEF REPRESENTING TODAY, SHE WAS HERE SOMETIME BACK, MONTHS, YEAR AGO, WHATEVER IT WAS. SHE GAVE A DETAILED -- IF I RECALL BECAUSE I'M GOING BACK. SIX OTHERS THAT HEARD THE SAME THING. MAYBE I HEARD DIFFERENTLY. I'M NOT SURE. SHE GAVE AN EXPLICIT REPORT ON WHAT THE NEEDS WERE. SHE EVEN HAD DETAILED INFORMATION ON ESPECIALLY ON THE OFFICE THAT YOU HAVE WHERE YOU KEEP YOUR FILE THAT YOU NEED FOR EVIDENCE, YOUR EVIDENCE ROOM. HOW WE'RE DOING IT IN BOXES, CARDBOARD BOXES, AM I CORRECT OR NOT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. I CAN AGREES A FEW OF THE COMMENTS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: -- GOING THROUGH SO MANY THINGS HERE. I REMEMBER SHE SHOWED US EITHER ORLANDO OR ST. PETE, HOW IT'S ALL SO WELL DONE IN A WAY YOU CAN ALMOST NOT DESTROY THE EVIDENCE. IF SOMETHING CATCHES FIRE ONE OF THE BOXES, THEY ARE ALL GONE. CRIMES THAT ARE UNSOLVED AND ONES COMING IN NOW. THAT EVIDENCE ROOM ALONE IS WORTH SOMETHING TO HAVE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THAT ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE LAW ARE PUNISHED BY THE LAW. I SAW THAT LIKE THE REST OF US DID AND I SAW OTHER THINGS NEEDED. THAT BUILDING THERE, WHOEVER BUYS IT MORE THAN LIKELY TEAR IT DOWN IF WE EVER SELL IT OR THEY HAVE TO SPEND MORE THAN TWICE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT COSTS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU, IT'S IN NEED OF EXTENSIVE REPAIRS, THAT'S MY KNOWLEDGE OF IT. THAT ASIDE, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE GOT TO BUY AND BUILD, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SELL TO REPLACE IT WITH? OR -- THOSE HAVE NEVER BEEN DISCUSSED, I DON'T BELIEVE. NO ONE HAS EVER DONE A VALUATION OF THE BUILDING THAT I KNOW OF. MAYBE THEY HAVE, BUT I'M NOT SURE. IN ORDER TO HAVE AN OPERATION, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN WORK. I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T WORK THERE. IT HAS -- THE LIFE SPAN OF THAT BUILDING HAS BEEN A LONG, LONG TIME AGO WHEN IT WAS A MARINE BANK, I THINK BEFORE THAT AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. IT WAS AN OFFICE BUILDING AT ONE TIME I BELIEVE. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. BUT THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE CITY HAS TO LOOK AT. WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM IF WE WERE NEVER GROWING. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM, WOULDN'T HAVE A CONVENTION CENTER. WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ARENAS SPORTS STADIUM. YOU WOULD HAVE NONE OF THAT PROBLEM BUT YOU WOULD HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM, THAT YOUR KIDS OR GRANDKIDS WOULD BE LIVING SOMEWHERE ELSE. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A LOT OF MONEY. LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, EVERYTHING IS GOING UP. A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T BUY EGGS ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T. THE MONEY TODAY IS UNBELIEVABLE THE COST. I'M ONE, AND I'VE FOLLOWED THIS MY WHOLE LIFE. MY FATHER TOLD ME ONCE, IF YOU CAN'T BUY SOMETHING YOU CAN'T PAY IN 30 DAYS, DON'T BUY IT. I MISSED A LOT OF DEALS BUT I DIDN'T BUY IT. I NEVER BOUGHT A NEW CAR, NEVER. I NEVER INTEND TO. WHAT I'M TELLING YOU IS IT'S GOT TO BE DONE IN A WAY THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THE NEED AND THE NECESSITY FOR THIS BUILDING, ALL OF IT. AND WHERE IT IS AND YOUR STORAGE VEHICLES, THOSE PUT IN SPECIAL STORAGE BECAUSE THEY COMMITTED A CRIME, NOT THE CAR, THE PEOPLE IN IT. AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS A NECESSITY, WHAT IS THE COST OF DOING ALL THAT AND WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT TO SOME DEGREE. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I'M NOT AGAINST THE PROJECT, BUT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE BEFORE I TAKE A VOTE ON IT. I'M NOT AGAINST THE PROJECT. LET ME SAY THAT RIGHT NOW. HOWEVER, THIS CITY BETTER TIGHTEN THE BELT ABOUT -- WHAT I SEE HAPPENING NOW, EVERYBODY WANTS TO CUT EVERYBODY ELSE OUT OF A JOB, WHICH I UNDERSTAND. SOME MAY HAVE A MINUTE THING, BUT WHEN YOU START TAKING DEPARTMENTS COMPLETELY OUT AND IT RUNS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STATE GOVERNMENT TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING, GOD BLESS THEM ALL. BUT THEY BETTER LOOK AT THEMSELVES FIRST. AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING. MAYBE THREE COUNTRIES RUN THE WORLD SO THEY THINK. THE WORLD ISN'T GOING TO TAKE THAT. IT'S GOING TO BE AN UNEASY YEARS TO COME. WHO KNOWS IF THE GRANTS WE HAD ALREADY APPROVED WILL BE HERE OR NOT. SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHAT'S NEXT? >> IF I COULD RESPOND TO A COUPLE OF THOSE. FIRST OFF, ON THE TIMING, I KNOW AS YOU ALL SAW FROM THE SLIDE, THIS IS AN EXISTING STRUCTURE. WE'RE NOT BUILDING FROM THE GROUND UP. SO I THINK SOME OF THE TIME, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAINLY A RENOVATION, NOT A NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO THAT MAY BE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A 2027, 2028 ISSUE. AS IT COMES TO THE -- WHAT'S BEEN COMMENTED ABOUT, THE HEADQUARTERS BUILDING NEXT DOOR, I WAS PART OF A SMALL GROUP BACK IN 2021 THAT DID A SPATIAL NEEDS ANALYSIS FOR A NEW FACILITY. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THIS PROJECT WAS DECIDED. WE'RE GOING TO NEED THE SPACE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT ORLANDO, THEY'VE HAD GREAT SUCCESS WITH COMBINING THEIR EVIDENCE AND FORENSICS UNITS AT AN OFF-SITE FACILITY THAT'S NOT WITH THE ADMINISTRATION FUNCTIONS OF THE DEPARTMENT. IF WE SPEND THE MONEY TO DO THIS NOW, THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO BE CHEAPER THAN IF WE SPEND THE MONEY TO BUILD A LARGER POLICE FACILITY FIVE, TEN YEARS FROM NOW. I TOURED ST. PETERSBURG'S FACILITY. WHILE I WAS DOING THAT, THEY BUILT A VERY MODERN, VERY EFFICIENT, VERY EFFECTIVE FACILITY FOR I BELIEVE IT WAS AROUND $80 MILLION. IF WE HAD TO REPLICATE THAT FACILITY TODAY, THE COST WOULD BE PROBABLY MORE THAN DOUBLE THAT. SO THE QUICKER WE CAN GET THIS DONE AND, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO GET THIS DONE AT A CERTAIN POINT BECAUSE WE HAD TO VACATE OUR FACILITY DUE TO SOLID WASTE'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT THEMSELVES, SO WE'RE IN A TEMPORARY FACILITY THAT IS NOT SERVING THE NEEDS. WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO STORE VEHICLES AT HEADQUARTERS. WE DON'T HAVE PROCESSING BAYS AT HEADQUARTERS. SO WE'RE HAVING TO TRY TO MAKE DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE HAVE. THAT'S THE REASON THIS IS IN FRONT OF YOU. I WAS PART OF THE INITIAL RFQ IN 2022 FOR THE DESIGN PORTION OF IT WHICH I KNOW WENT TO COUNCIL AT SOME POINT. I KNOW THE 40 MILLION FOR THE BUILD IS CLEARLY NOT. I KNOW WHEN THIS COMES IN FRONT OF YOU IN JUNE HOPEFULLY FOR THE BUILD PORTION OF IT, WE WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON EXACTLY WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS SAYING ABOUT A VERY DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE SPECIFIC NEEDS FOR THE FACILITY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. ROGERO. >>DENNIS ROGERO: AND I HAVE CLARIFICATION, WHICH MIRRORS SOME OF WHAT MR. MESSMER SAID AND ALSO COINCIDES WITH DISCUSSION OF MR. KOPESKY AND MR. PERRY. IT'S ALL COMING BACK TO ME NOW. I PULLED UP THE TIME FRAME. AS YOU HEARD IN OCTOBER OF 2022, COUNCIL APPROVED FOR DESIGN SITE IMPROVEMENT, ET CETERA. THIS IS MAYBE COUNCIL WILL RECALL, AND THE SUMMARY IS WE ALL REMEMBER ACCURATELY, IT WAS A COMBINATION OF A PROJECT THAT STARTED OUT AROUND $8 MILLION. WE HAVE SPENT, WITH COUNCIL'S PERMISSION, $7 MILLION OF THAT SO FAR AND CHANGE, ROUNDING, FOR DESIGN, SITE IMPROVEMENTS, ET CETERA. THE NEXT ITERATION, AND THIS IS WHEN THE DISCUSSION OCCURRED LAST YEAR, THE NEXT PLANNED ITERATION, AT LEAST OUR INTENT IS TO COME FOR THE LARGER ENCOMPASSING PROJECT OF 40 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS. I'LL GIVE YOU THE EXACT DATE OF THAT. THE DESIGN-BUILD WAS APPROVED, AS MR. MESSMER SAID, OCTOBER 2022. THE CONTRACT WAS LET. WE SPEND MONEY -- WE SPENT MONEY AND THE DISCUSSION OCCURRED NOT QUITE A YEAR AGO IN JUNE, THE DISCUSSION WE ARE ALL REMEMBERING ABOUT THE COSTS, BIG BLUE, RETURN ON INVESTMENTS, PROS AND CONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVEN'T COME TO COUNCIL YET WITH BIGGER OR LARGER REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION NOR HAVE WE COME TO COUNCIL YET WITH REQUEST TO ISSUE DEBT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AGAIN, I'LL HAVE MORE YEAR BY YEAR DETAIL ON THIS PROJECT FINANCING IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THE 8 MILLION TO 40 MILLION. I KNOW THINGS HAVE GOTTEN EXPENSIVE. BUT AS YOU NOTICE OUTSIDE, I DON'T HAVE A CAR BECAUSE IT'S AT THE MECHANIC. MONDAY THE ESTIMATE WAS 250. TUESDAY, IT WAS 350. 4:30 YESTERDAY, THE ESTIMATE WAS $850 FOR MY REPAIR AND I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO FIX IT. AND MY MORTGAGE IS DUE ON SATURDAY. SO THE TERRIBLE ANALOGY I'M TOYITRYING TO MAKE IS EVERYTHINS GETTING EXPENSIVE. SPEND SPEND SPEND. WE'VE BONDED SO MUCH. YES, I'VE SUPPORTED A LOT OF PROJECTS, BUT IT IS A DISSERVICE TO THE NEXT ADMINISTRATION AND YOU'VE BEEN HERE. YOU'VE BEEN HERE SINCE I STARTED AND BEFORE. I DON'T WANT TO BURDEN THE FUTURE WITH, WE TALK ABOUT INTERESTS AND JAMIE DIMON AND ALL THE BANKS ARE MAKING THE MONEY. THE INTEREST PAID ON THESE KIND OF PROJECTS IS UNBELIEVABLE. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA MADE A COMMENT ABOUT TALKING TO MR. BARCLAY AT THE UNION, SITTING DOWN WITH DR. CHIEF BERCAW. YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE ABSOLUTE NEEDS? DO WE HAVE TO SPEND THE ENTIRE AMOUNT? AGAIN, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS ALREADY IN THE PIPELINE THAT HAVE BEEN BONDED. WE BORROWED A LOT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T OVERBURDEN OURSELVES, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CHANGE IN THE POLITICAL CLIMATE FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS. I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVEN SEEN WHAT'S COMING YET. WE'VE ONLY GOTTEN THE TEASER TRAILER. I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL MOVING FORWARD. THESE THINGS KEEP YOU ME UP AT NIGHT. I'VE BEEN UP SINCE 1:30 THINKING ABOUT MONEY, NOT JUST FIXING MY CAR BUT GOING INTO THE WORKSHOP, LOOKING OVER THE AGENDA, LOOKING OVER BACKUP DOCUMENTS, ANYTHING. WE SPEND A LOT. AND WE HAVE TO REEVALUATE A LOT OF DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. WHAT IS THE NEXT ITEM? WE'RE STILL ON NUMBER 2. HOW MANY MORE ITEMS ARE AFTER YOU, MR. WASHINGTON? >> WE HAVE A FEW MORE. I BELIEVE THREE OR FOUR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND THEN WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF PUBLIC COMMENT. GOOD MORNING, SIR. HOW ARE YOU? >>LARRY WASHINGTON: LARRY WASHINGTON, DIRECTOR OF THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT, HERE TODAY TO PRESENT ON -- AGAIN, THIS WILL BE BRIEF -- TO PRESENT ON THE SOLID WASTE RELOCATION FROM SPRUCE STREET TO 34th STREET, TO HAVE A MORE INTEGRATED SYSTEM, AS WAS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY. SO WE HAVE NO MAJOR CHANGES. JUST MINOR UPDATES. THAT'S IT TODAY. JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS WAS ISSUED TO JACOB BY LACKIS AS THE BUILD DESIGN FIRM. THERE ARE A LOT OF BENEFITS AS MENTIONED BEFORE. WE PLANNED ON BREAKING GROUND IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, HOWEVER WE HAVE MINOR DELAYS WITH PERMITTING. WE HAVE TWO PERMITS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING REVIEWED RIGHT NOW. THAT IS THE DEMOLITION PERMIT AND SITE REVIEW PERMIT. THE PARENT PERMIT, THE OVERARCHING PERMIT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AND RECEIVED. WE'RE WAITING ON THE TWO PERMITS TO HAVE THE GROUND BREAKING. YOU'LL BE SEEING THAT SHORTLY. OUR GOAL IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GROUND BREAKING IN MARCH, MARCH OF THIS YEAR WITH AN ESTIMATED COMPLETION TIME FRAME -- WE SPOKE ABOUT QUARTERS AND THIS IS CALENDAR YEAR -- OF THE END OF THE FIRST QUARTER OR THE BEGINNING OF THE SECOND QUARTER OF THE CALENDAR YEAR 2027. WE'RE STILL ON TRACK. EVEN IF THERE ARE MINOR DELAYS, FORTUNATELY WE HAVE COKE LOOKIS -- COKE SO EVEN THOUGH THERE IS SOME MINOR DELAYS, WE DO HAVE THE SAME CONSTRUCTION FIRM THAT BUILT OUR TRANSFER STATION YEARS AGO. THEY ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, SO WE ARE EXPECTING SOME ACCELERATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE SO WE ARE TRULY NOT CONCERNED WITH MEETING OUR DEADLINES. I WILL MOVE FORWARD. JUST AS A REMINDER, WE WILL HAVE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS ERECTED ROUGHLY AROUND EIGHT. OUR PRIMARY GOAL TO MAKE THEIR OUR EVERYDAY SERVICES REMAIN INTACT. COLLECTION AND PROCESSING. ONE THING WE WILL HAVE TO ALMOST ADJUST IN REALTIME IS ACCESS TO THE TRANSFER STATION GIVEN THE FACT THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE SO MUCH CONSTRUCTION GOING ON AT THAT SITE. AND ONE OF THE CRITICAL PATHS IS THE SCALE HOUSES. SO WE HAVE A CURRENT SCALE HOUSE THAT HAS A FEW LANES. INCREASE THAT BY TWO. AND THEN WE ARE IMPROVING THAT SYSTEM BY INCORPORATING A NORTHERN SCALE HOUSE JUST FOR THE GARBAGE VEHICLES. THAT IS RIGHT AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT UP THERE ON THE POWERPOINT. THE NORTHERN SCALE. SO IT IS DIRECTLY UNDER, YOU KNOW, OUR WASTE MANAGEMENT FACILITY. A STRAIGHT SHOT STRAIGHT UP TO THE WASTE MANAGEMENT FACILITY ONE, YOU KNOW, WE DISPOSE OF OUR WASTE. WE TAKE THEM OUT OF THE LINE WITH THE PUBLIC WHICH IS GOING TO BE TEN TIMES BETTER. OUR FIRST PORTION OF THE PROJECT THAT WE WILL BE COMPLETED IS THE NORTHERN SCALE HOUSE. SO THEN WE CAN KEEP SERVICE INTACT. AND THEN WE WILL SHIFT GEARS TO THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SCALE HOUSES DOWN BELOW WHERE THE GENERAL PUBLIC USUALLY GOES TO. AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN KEEP ONE OF OUR SCALES OPEN THERE. WE HAVE AN AUTOMATED SCALE THAT IS SEPARATED FROM THE MAIN BUILDING. WE WILL START WORKING ON THE MAIN BUILDING AND HAVE THAT AUTOMATED SCALE HOPEFULLY ABLE TO TAKE THE PUBLIC IN AND KEEP OUR TRANSFER STATION RUNNING. IT MAY BE A SLIGHT DELAY, BUT THAT IS THE FIRST PORTION OF THE PROJECT THAT WILL BE COMPLETED. AND MOVING FORWARD, SO I DO WANT TO TAKE THIS TIME TO BRING UP AS ADRI MENTIONED BEFORE, THE FLEET BUILDING FOR THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT YOU CAN SEE ABOVE AS WELL. SO NEXT WEEK ACTUALLY, NEXT WEDNESDAY, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CC&A PROCESS. WE HAVE FOUR FIRMS. BANDY, MORGAN, COCOLAKIS A AA AND BILLT. >> MORE LOOKING FORWARD TO THEIR PRESENTATIONS AND ALL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE TO BE COMPLETED BY 2027. C&G LOCATED AT THE FIRST SLIGHTLY OCCASION THAT WILL COME A LITTLE BIT LATER AFTER WE GET THE C.O. OR OUR ADMIN BUILDING BUT ALL PROJECTS WILL BE DONE IN 2027. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND HENDERSON. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS PROJECT, I DO DON'T HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. I JUST WANTED -- FOR THE PUBLIC FOR YOU TO GO OVER -- OR MIGHT -- YOU MIGHT BE OR MR. ROGERO OF THE $107 MILLION. MOST OF THAT IS HAPPENING WITHIN YOUR ENTERPRISE FUND. WE ARE NOT TAKING GENERAL FUND DOLLARS FOR THIS EXPANSION. I JUST WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE PUBLIC. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: I WILL WAIT FOR THE CFO. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, AGAIN, DENNIS R TOOGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. YOU ARE QUITE CORRECT AND WE WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THE NEXT PRESENTATION. BUT NOT GENERAL FUNDING, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. WANT PEOPLE WILL KNOW WHY WE ARE NOT PAYING THE $107. WASTE FEES WE ARE PAYING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SOLID WASTE CHARGES. >>LYNN HURTAK: RECYCLING, ALL OF THAT. ALL OF THOSE THINGS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: JUST BRIEFLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION. THIS IS THE ONE PROJECT THAT WE WERE -- I HAVE BEEN A PART OF FROM START TO FINISH. IT HAS A TIMELINE. IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE. MULTIPLE PROJECTS GOING ON. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT IN EVERY WAY. EVEN -- YOU KNOW, EVEN IN THE BEGINNING UNDERSTANDING YOUR ALL AN ENTERPRISE ZONE -- ENTERPRISE BUSINESS. THE -- WHAT MAKES THIS SO GREAT IS THE ACCELERATION PROCESS IS VERY, VERY CLEAR. AND -- AND WELL REPRESENTED. EVEN IN ALL OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT WE HAD ABOUT IT. SO I COULD SEE WHY, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A NEED FOR TO YOU BE BRIEF TODAY. BECAUSE WE HAD THIS GREAT COMMUNICATION ALL ALONG. THIS IS JUST A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE FROM YOUR DIVISION OF A PROBABLY FROM START TO FINISH THAT I APPRECIATE. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESEN PRESENTATION. >> I WILL SAY LARRY WASHINGTON GETS "BLANK" DONE. GETS IT DONE. GOOD JOB. SO -- SOME -- FURTHER CLARIFICATION REFERENCE ON WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID. SO PART OF WHAT MAKES THIS PROJECT INTRIGUING IS WE ARE GIVING UP RELATIVELY VALUABLE LAND ON SPRUCE. AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THAT LAND -- WE SELL THAT LAND. WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE KEEP THAT MONEY. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION AND WILL YET TO BE DETERMINED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF WE SELL THAT LAND, BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: REINTRIGUE BEING THIS TOO. COST COMING OUT OF ENTERPRISE FUND AND PARLAY THIS VALUABLE LAND AND REIMBURSE OUR GENERAL FUND TO PAY FOR THINGS LIKE FIRE STATIONS AND OTHER NEEDS THAT WE HAVE. THIS IS A WIN-WIN-WIN, AND LARRY WASHINGTON GETS "BLANK" DONE. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: AND TEAM. IF YOU HAVE NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, I WILL MAKE ROOM FOR MR. TONY MULKEY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MULKEY. COME ON UP. GOOD MORNING. >>TONY MULKEY: GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. PLEASED TO BE HERE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE TO THE BOARD AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY ON THE FAIR OAKS RECREATIONAL COMPLEX THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN BEFORE YOU FOR ABOUT A YEAR ON THIS. A YEAR AGO, YOU APPROVED A NEARLY $35 MILLION CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT WITH SCANSKA AS PART OF A DESIGN BUILD PROJECT TO TRANSFORM THE EXISTING FAIR OAKS RECREATION CENTER INTO A -- INTO A MULTIFEATURE, TEN-ACRE CAMPUS IN EAST TAMPA OFF 34th STREET. THIS NEW FACILITY IS GOING TO FEATURE A 33,000-S 33,000-SQUARE-FOOT DUAL FACILITY WITH A SENIOR CENTER AND COMMUNITY CENTER SIDE, AS WELL AS A SPLASH PAD, PICKLEBALL COURTS, BASKETBALL COURTS, SYNTHETIC TURF FOOTBALL FIELD, PLAY SPACES, COMMUNITY SPACE FOR EVENTS AND GATHERINGS. AND I AM HAPPY TO REPORT, THAT AS OF THIS TIME, WE ARE IN BUDGET AND ON SCHEDULE. SO WE HAVE A -- IT IS A PHASED APPROACH. THIS FIRST PHASE IS WORKING ON THE CENTER IF ANYBODY HAS GONE UP THROUGH FAIR OAKS NEIGHBORHOOD OVER THERE. YOU WILL SEE THE CENTER IS UP. THE WINDOWS ARE IN. THE DRYWALL IS GOING. IT IS -- IT IS QUITE IMPRESSIVE. THEY ARE GETTING READY TO START INSTALLING THE TURF FIELD. WHEN THIS PHASE WRAPS F FALL. SECOND PHASE DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING CENTER OUT THERE. OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOLKS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A PLAN TO START BEING ABLE TO LET THE COMMUNITY SEE SOME OF THE PROGRESS, WORKING WITH SCANSKA. THEY HAD OUTREACH TO THE KID AND THE SENIORS OVER AT THE CENTER. JUST REALLY GOOD COMMUNITY FOCUSED ENGAGEMENT AND ACTIVITIES WITH ICE CREAM AND THINGS LIKE THAT DURING THE SUMMER. SO WE ARE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING THIS ALONG AND WANTED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE FOR EVERYONE AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. DO YOU HAVE ANY SLIDES OR ANYTHING TO SHOW? >>TONY MULKEY: I -- I WAS A LATE ADDITION BECAUSE -- I WANTED TO KIND OF TELL THIS STORY BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN A WHILE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM? >>GWEN HENDERSON: DISTRICT FIVE, MAKING PROGRESS. I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. YOU KNOW, ANOTHER ONE FROM START TO FINISH. THE COMMITMENT FROM SCANSKA TO GET IT DONE ON TIME AND WITHIN BUDGET IS EVEN A CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH THEM. I GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT. THIS IS A -- A PROJECT OF GREAT SYMBOLISM TO THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY. I KNOW THAT IT DIDN'T GET UNANIMOUS SUPPORT, BUT IT IS GOING TO BE A GREAT LEGACY PROJECT FOR EAST TAMPA A. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR UPDATE. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT IN THE PAST AND WHAT YOU CONTINUE TO DO IN THE FUTURE. GAME CHANGER FOR EVERYONE WHO IS YOUNG, ESPECIALLY. YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT YOU GROW UP BECOMING WHO YOU ARE. BUT WHAT YOU ELEVEN, ABOUT WHAT YOU HEAR, WHAT YOU SEE, AND HOW THEN YOU ACT. AND THIS IS GOING TO GIVE THESE YOUNG FOLKS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE THE BEST THEY CAN BE. THEY HAVE SOMETHING NEW. A VISION. REASON I SAY THAT -- I SAID THAT -- I WAS BORN NOT THERE, BUT CLOSE THERE 26th AVENUE. I WAS BORN THIS THERE RAISED -- BORN IN THE HOSPITAL BUT I WENT -- BUT ANYWAY, WHAT IT IS THAT HERE YOU SEE SOMETHING ABOUT COORDINATION, ABOUT WORKING WITH OTHER PEOPLE, ABOUT HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO MANY THINGS THAT YOU COULDN'T DO IN ANY ONE PLACE IN THE WHOLE AREA. AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, THERE IS HOPE FOR THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE. AND I LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND I SAY, YEAH, THE COST IS HIGH. BUT WHAT ARE THE RETURNS? MORE THAN LIKELY BETTER EDUCATION MORE THAN LIKELY BETTER CONTACT AND HOW YOU HANDLE. IT IS THE DAMN RIGHT THING TO DO SO EVERYBODY HAS WHAT THEY NEED. IT IS UP TO THEM TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO. TO GIVE THEM HOPE AND OPPORTUNITY AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DO. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING SO KIND WITH US. CONTINUE TO DO IT. WE HAVE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PARKS. OVER 09 SOME PARKS. MORE THAN THAT. BUT IT KEEPS GROWING BECAUSE THAT IS A NEED. KID HAVE TO BE HAPPY. KIDS HAVE -- THEY GO TO SCHOOL AND STUDY HARD, BUT YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING ELSE TO DO. IT JUST CAN'T BE ONE THING. AND TODAY IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO, BECAUSE OF THINGS YOU SEE ON TELEVISION. WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT WHEN I WAS A KID. SO YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE STRESS AND THE IMAGINATION OF, WHOA, LOOK AT THAT, LOOK WHAT I SAW HERE AND THERE. YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT. BUT DID HAVE PLAYGROUNDS WHEN I WAS I WAS A KID AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO WENT TO PLAYGROUND, 98% OF THEM WERE BETTER OFF WITH A PLAYGROUND THAN NOT HAVING A PLAY INGROUND. I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT. >>TONY MULKEY: THANK YOU, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. CAR . >>BILL CARLSON: I DIDN'T SPEAK ON THE LAST ITEM BUT I WANT TO THANK LARRY WASHINGTON AND HIS TEAM. THAT PROJECT HAS GONE ABOVE AVERAGE LIKE EVERYTHING HAVE FINDING NEW THINGS AND ALSO BECAUSE OF -- BECAUSE OF INFLATION, BUT HIS TEAM -- HE AND HIS TEAM HAS DONE A GREAT JOB COMMUNICATING. SAME THING WITH TONY AND HIS TEAM HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB. I HAVE BEEN IN SEVERAL MEETINGS IN THE COMMUNITY WITH TONY AND HIS TEAM IN THE LAST EVEN FEW DAYS AND APPRECIATE WHAT THEY ARE DOING. THIS PROJECT IS ADMINISTRATION SLOW WALKED IT. FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO WHEN I CAME ON BOARD THE COMMITTEE CAME AND ASKED THE CITY COUNCIL TO DO SOMETHING TO INTERVENE BECAUSE THE LAST MAYOR REJECTED IT. THE CURRENT MAYOR WAS UNINTERESTED IN DOING ANYTHING. WE CITY COUNCIL HAD A PUBLIC MEETING AT FAIR OAKS WHERE THE MAYOR ANNOUNCED SHE WAS GOING TO RENOVATE IT. PEOPLE BOOED IN THE MEETING AND SAID WE WANT YOU TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING. WE CAME BACK, CITY COUNCIL, AND PROPOSED BUILDING A NEW BUILDING AND STARTED PUSH TO ALLOCATE BECOME. MAYOR'S OFFICE SLOW WALKED IT FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND CAME BACK WITH A MUCH HIGHER PRICE. AND ULTIMATELY -- I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER, $40 MILLION PLUS INTEREST SOMEWHERE AROUND $70, $80 MILLION. GREAT ASSET FOR EAST TAMPA. EAST TAMPA DESERVES NEW ASSETS AND INVESTMENT THROUGH THE CRA AND OTHERS. EAST TAMPA WAS NEGLECTED NOR A LONG TIME. PARKS IN THE WHOLE CITY ARE FALLING APART. PARK IN SOUTH TAMPA ARE ABSOLUTELY FALLING APART. ONLY WAY TO GET RENOVATION IN SOUTH TAMPA THAT THE COMMUNITY PUTS IN MONEY. PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED. SMALL RENOVATIONS, SMALL REPAIRS ARE NOT GETTING DONE BECAUSE THERE IS NO MONEY. THIS PARK IS LIKE -- SOMETHING LIKE EIGHT TIMES THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR REPAIRING ALL THE PARKS IN THE CITY. PARKS IN EAST TAMPA ARE FALLING APART OTHER THAN THIS ONE. SO I WAS -- I THINK I WAS FIRST ONE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RENOVATE -- SORRY TO REBUILD THIS PROJECT SIX YEARS AGO. THE MAYOR'S OFFICE POLITICAL -- DID A POLITICAL MOVE AND WANTED TO UN-UP US AND CAME.WITH A HUGE PRICE FOR IT. A HUGE COST TO THE COMMUNITY. IT WILL BE GREAT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND IT. THE REST OF EAST TAMPA AND THE REST OF THE CITY, THEIR PARK ALSO SUFFER BECAUSE THEY SPENT TOO MUCH ON ONE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. THIS WILL BE A LOVELY PARK. I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT, ESPECIALLY FOR EAST TAMPA BUT THROW A LITTLE CURVEBALL IN HERE BECAUSE WE ARE HERE AND WE ARE TALKING AND YOU ARE HERE. WE JUST SENT YOU BE A E-MAIL OF SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL BEING OPENED IN JUNE OF 2025, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE STILL QUESTIONS OF SCOPE OF WORK AND COST ESTIMATE. I KNOW YOU SAID YOU WOULD KNOW MORE NEXT WEEK, BUT WHY HAVEN'T WE MOVED FORWARD ON THIS POOL? BECAUSE SOME -- I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET ANYTHING DONE BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE. >> SURE, PART OF THE CHALLENGE OF THE POOL HAS BEEN ENGAGING WITH QUALIFIED CONTRACTORS THAT COULD FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THINGS. THEY -- WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS WITH MULTIPLE FIRMS. I THINK THEY WERE TWO OR THREE PRIOR TO THE STORMS, AFTER THE STORMS, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY FOLLOW-UP FROM THEM. WE HAD A COUPLE OF OTHER FIRMS SINCE THEN. AND WE HAVE SOME PROPOSALS. AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE REVIEWING RIGHT NOW TO GO THROUGH THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT. I APPRECIATE IT. I AM CONCERNED IT WILL BE IN JEOPARDY FOR THE SUMMER AND I THOUGHT I WOULD BRING IT UP WHILE I HAVE YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: OVER THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE. I WANT TO CIRCLE BACK. ALL DUE RESPECT TO COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND HIS VIEWPOINT, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO ADDRESS OUR PARKS ARE NOT FALLING APART. IT IS AN UNFAIR ASSESSMENT. THERE ARE MAINTENANCE NEEDS THAT DO EXIST. I WANT YOU TO CLARIFY THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT IS A FAIR STATEMENT TO JUSTIFY THE HARD WORK GOING INTO PARKS AND RECREATION BECAUSE SO MANY DIFFERENT -- DIFFERENT MAINTENANCE NEEDS ACROSS PARKS. I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT WITHOUT IT JUST BEING AGREE GENERIC STATEMENT THAT OUR PARKS ARE FALLING APART. ALSO SULPHUR SPRINGS. THIS IS -- THIS IS -- IN MY OPINION BASED ON WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW SO FAR. AND I WANT TO SAY THIS BECAUSE PARTLY OUR DISTRICT, RIGHT, CHARLIE. I THINK THE PROBLEM AT SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL IS A LOT DEEPER THAN WHAT WE CAN PROBABLY SAY AND YOUR FINDING A DIFFICULT TIME FINDING SOMEONE TO COMMIT TO IT BECAUSE OF THE LAND IS ITSELF. AND THE FACT THAT A POOL SHOULDN'T REALLY BE ON THAT LAND. I KNOW YOU CAN'T SAY IT, BECAUSE I AM NOT AFRAID TO SAY IT BECAUSE I AM IN A POSITION TO SAY THAT. I SAID THAT TO THE PUBLIC RECENTLY AT A SULPHUR SPRINGS MEETING. I THINK THE PROBLEM IS A LOT GREATER. I KNOW IT WILL BE GREAT FOR THEM TO HAVE A POOL BY THE SUMMER AND THE MAYOR, I BELIEVE, ADDED $1 MILLION TO HER BUDGET BECAUSE DURING THAT SAME PERIOD TO ADDRESS SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME GREATER CHAL THERE THAT WILL BE EXTREMELY -- CHALLENGES THERE THAT WILL BE EXTREMELY COSTLY AND TO RETURN A POOL TO THAT GROUND BECAUSE OF THE LAND ITSELF THAT IT SITS DOWN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT PART NOW, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT, ALONG WITH -- YOU CAN NOW TALK ABOUT PARKS FALLING APART. AND JUST -- YOU KNOW, FOR A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TOO, WHEN IT COMES TO, YOU KNOW, PARKS, BECAUSE GREAT THINGS HAPPEN IN PARKS. AND YOU KNOW, I GREW UP GOING TO A PARK I THINK I AM IRRITATING SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE. BUT IT IS IMPORTANT THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE TIMELINES THAT YOU PRESENTED AND ON THE THINGS YOU ARE WORKING ON IS IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, TO THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T WANT TO DISMISS IT. WHAT EAST TAMPA IS GETTING. YOU KNOW I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO FEEL IN OTHER PARTS OF TOWN THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DESERVE SOMETHING TOO. THIS IS REALLY IN MY MIND AND OPINION DUE IN PART TO THE SIGNIFICANT DELAYS OVER DECADES -- DECADES OF NOT ADDRESSING THE NEEDS IN IF THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY THAT THEY ARE GETTING SOMETHING GREAT. HOWEVER IT STARTED FROM WHERE THEY ARE NOW TO WHERE IT IS GOING, IT IS QUITE WELL DESERVED. THANK YOU. >>TONY MULKEY: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN. ON THE POOL, THAT'S WHY WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. I AM NOT QUALIFIED TO SPEAK WHETHER IT IS A GOOD LOCATION OR NOT. IT HAS ITS CHALLENGES. AND I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT AND WE HAVE BEEN UP FRONT WITH THAT. AS FAR AS THE MAINTENANCE CONCERNS WITH THE PARKS, WE -- WE HAVE A VERY DEDICATED TEAM THAT HAS BEEN MAKING HUGE STRIDES IN TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND ITEMS WITHIN THE PARKS. WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE CITY. YOU KNOW, SOME ARE DIRECT FUNDED THROUGH OUR C.I.T. INVESTMENT WITH OUR CAPITAL PLANS. SOME ARE PARTNERSHIPS. AND OTHER AGREEMENTS THAT WERE ABLE TO TRY TO BE CREATIVE AND BE BEVERAGED AND GET MORE DONE. A LOT OF THIS HAS BEEN KIND OF OUTLINED. AND SUMMARIZED THROUGH OUR MASTER PLAN PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH IN 2020, 2021, AND KIND OF HAS A PLAN FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT IT IS, AGAIN, PRETTY GENERIC. I LIKE TO THINK THE PARKS ARE PRETTY NICE AND WE HAVE A DEDICATED TEAM TO KEEP THEM AT THE LEVEL THEY CAN. BUT THE PUBLIC LOVES OUR PARKS TO DEATH SOMETIMES. AND THEY GET USED VERY HEAVILY AND SHOWS DEMAND THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN I FINISH THIS TOO TO WRAP UP FAIR OAKS. I KNOW YOUR LIGHT IS ON. EVEN FAIR OAKS, WHAT I DO LOVE IS THAT EVEN THE CURRENT BUILDING IS STILL OPERATIONAL. GREAT PROGRAM SOMETHING STILL HAPPENING. MY FAVORITE TEACHER FROM HIGH SCHOOL TEACHES LINE DANCE THERE WEEKLY. THE CLASSES ARE FULL. EVEN THOUGH IT IS -- THE NEW PARK IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND GOING WELL, THE CURRENT FACILITY IS STILL BEING USED AND ALSO IMPORTANT TO MENTION. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO SAY AND I KIND OF SAID THIS BEFORE, TONY AND HIS TEAM DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB. AND IF I AM CORRECT, YOU HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE IN PARKS. PARK AND RECREATION. AND HE IS EXACTLY QUALIFIED. HE IS THE RIGHT PERSON. HE IS DOING A GREAT JOB. PROBLEM IS THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T GIVE HIM ENOUGH BUDGET. WE HAD ONE ADMINISTRATION THAT FACED A GREAT RECESSION AND HAD TO CUT THE BUDGETS. NEXT ADMINISTRATION GAVE MONEY TO DEVELOPERS INSTEAD OF REPAIRING PARKS OR ROADS. AND THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN STRIVING TO CATCH UP, BUT THE BUDGET IS STILL TOO LOW. WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL OF HOW WE SPEND MONEY. AND THERE ARE PARKS THAT ARE LITERALLY FALLING APART. THINGS ARE FALLING ON KIDS' HEADS AND OTHERS. I CAN -- I -- THE OPINION OF PARKS FALLING APART IS NOT MY OPINION. OPINION IT IS THE E-MAILS I GET FROM CONSTITUENTS AND POSTS THAT CONSTITUENTS PUT ON -- ON NEXT DOOR AND OTHER PLACES. AND I AM SURE YOU HAVE ALL SEEN THEM, IF YOU HAVEN'T, I CAN HAVE MY AIDE PUT TOGETHER SOME OF THEM. I SENT THEM TO TONY AND HE IS ALWAYS RESPONSIVE. HE DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE THE BUDGET TO FIX THEM. AS WE GET THROUGH PRIORITIES, YOU TALKED OF HOW IMPORTANT PARKS, THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY IMPORTANT AND PARKS ARE IMPORTANT IN EAST TAMPA. EAST TAMPA WILL HAVE THE BEST PARK IN THE WHOLE CITY WHICH I AM HAPPY FOR. THEY COULD HAVE HAD THE BEST PARK IN THE CITY FOR 20 MILLION INSTEAD OF $70 MILLION. AND WE NEED TO -- WE NEED TO -- TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE BUDGET GOING FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT -- THAT WE DON'T HAVE ONE REALLY NICE PARK AND OTHER ONE FALLING DOWN. KEEP IN MIND THE LAST ADMINISTRATION SPENT $12 MILLION ON A BOATHOUSE COMPETES WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR. THE PARK JULIAN B. LANE WOULD HAVE BEEN CHEAPER IF NOT SPENT MONEY ON THE POETHOUSE. WE NEED TO MAKE BETTER CHOICES BECAUSE KIDS NEED TO FEEL SAFE IN GOING TO THEIR PARKS. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST -- LISTENING AND LISTENING AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE FACTS, BUT MANY TIMES THAT I HEARD THAT THE PARK IS A $100 MILLION PARK. SO THEN I TELL MYSELF, WOW, I SAID, $40 MILLION WITH INTEREST IS $100 OR $70, 80, 60 OR WHATEVER. WHEN YOU BUY ANY EQUIPMENT IN THE CITY AND YOU BOND IT OUT, YOU DON'T SAY COSTS THE PRICE PLUS THE INTEREST. RAISE OUR HANDS IF YOU EVER DONE THAT. NEVER HAS THAT BEEN DONE. BUT WHEN YOU PUT A PARK UP, THEY WANT TO TELL YOU IT IS THE INTEREST ON IT. THEY TELL YOU WHEN YOU BUY AN ELECTRIC CAR OR FIRE ENGINE, WHEN YOU BUILD A BUILDING FOR OTHER THINGS. THEY DON'T TELL YOU THAT. BUT FOR A PARK, FOR KIDS TO PLAY IN, THE INTEREST THAT COMES IN. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST SPOKE BEFORE ME. IN GENERAL. SO WHAT ARE WE SENDING? WHAT MESSAGE ARE WE SEND SOMETHING IN THAT KIDS SHOULD HAVE A PARK WHERE THEY COULD BE PROUD OF. JOYFUL OF. IF IT WASN'T FOR THE SKATING PARK, MOST OF THE KIDS IN THE HOUSING PROJECT WOULD BE IN JAIL. BUT THEY ARE NOT. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT MULBERRY WE SHOULD -- FROM NOW ON EVERY TIME WE BUY SOMETHING AND YOU HAVE TO FINANCE IT, DON'T SAY THE PRICE WAS -- PUT THE WHOLE PRICE IN IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WANT WHEN WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. COST OF SOMETHING DOES INCLUDE INTEREST. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT UNLESS YOU CAN PAY IT OFF IN 30 DAYS. BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE SAYING. I UNDERSTAND ABOUT ELECTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I SAY, IF I MAY SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD,ER IS. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WAS GLAD TO SUPPORT THIS. THIS -- THIS IS NOT IN MY DISTRICT BUT SURE AS HELL IN MY HEART. A GREAT EFFORT. IT IS GOING -- A PARK LOOK THIS WHICH IS A ROBUST, FIRST-RATE ENDEAVOR IN THE EAST TAMPA COMMUNITY IS A REAL STATEMENT. I THINK THAT WE WANT TO SEND AS A CITY ON OUR VALUES. AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO PUT PARKS AND RECREATION IN PARTS OF CITY THAT -- THAT IT IS NOT JUST IGNORED BUT MALIGNED AND ATTACKED THROUGHOUT MANY, MANY YEARS. I SAID THIS BEFORE IF YOU READ KEENER COMMERCIAL REPORT FROM, I THINK, '67, IT TALKED OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN AREAS IN TAMPA AND HOW THEY HAD NO RECREATION CENTERS. SO FOR ME, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT GOES BACK A VERY LONG TIME. AND ITS JUST THE RIGHT THING TO DO. SO, AGAIN, I WILL GO BACK TO THE THICK ON THERE BEING GRAY. ALWAYS GRAY IN SOMETHING BUT THE OVERWHELMING GOOD LIES IN THIS AND I WAS GLAD TO SUPPORT IT AGAIN. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MULKEY. >>TONY MULKEY: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHO IS NEXT. >> GOOD MORNING, RORY JONES WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE YOU WITH AN UPDATE ON OUR CHEMICAL SYSTEMS IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. THIS A PIPES-FUNDED PROJECT. IT IS A $41 MILLION PROJECT DESIGN-BUILD, PIPES FUNDED THAT MAKES THE CITY OF TAMPA SAFER AND MORE RESILIENT END-OF-LIFE COMPONENT WITH OTHER SECONDARY DISINFECTION PROCESS AND BUILDINGS HYPOCHLORIDE GENERATORS. THIS PROBABLY HAD A EBO GOLD OF 14.8%. AND WE ARE ON -- ON SCHEDULE TO MEET THAT GOAL. THIS WAS PERFORMED IN TWO DIFFERENT PHASES. MAINTAINING 365-DAY, SEVEN DAY AS WEEK OPERATION THERE IS. WE ARE KIND OF WORKING IN AND AROUND OUR EXIST FACILITIES. SO THE FIRST PHASE WAS REALLY DECOM DECOMMISSIONING AND GETTING TO THE POINT TO DECOMMISSION OUR EXISTING CHEMICAL USE AND BRING IN BULK DELIVERIES FOR T THE HYPOCHLORIDE PROCESS WHEN WE MOVE TO PHASE TWO AND CONDUCT THE ON-SITE GENERATORS. IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY. WE HAVE DECISOMMISSIONED OUR 90-TON RAILCAR SYSTEM. DECOMMISSIONED THE SPUR LINE LEADING INTO THERE. AND WE ARE ACT STIFFLY IN CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE ON-SITE HYPOCHLORIDE GENERATORS. IN ADDITION TO HYPOCHLORIDE CHANGING FROM HYDRO AMMONIA TO AMMONIA. WE EXPECT TO HAVE THESE GENERATORS START TO GO INTO THE BUILDING IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS IN APRIL. WE WILL START COMMISSION THESE IN OCTOBER. AND WE EXPECT TO HAVE THIS PROJECT COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE YEAR. I AM EXCITED ABOUT IT. AND I AM OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE OF IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, YES, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO SAY JUST LIKE AS WELL SOLID WASTE. YOU GUYS ARE EN CREDIBLE. THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS THAT YOU ARE WORKING ON. THEY ARE REALLY -- THIS IS NOT SEXY BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T SEE IT. PEOPLE TURN ON WATER FAUCET AND EXPECT CLEAN WATER. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MAGIC YOU DO BEHIND THE SCENES. AND WHAT WE ARE REPLACING THE AGE OF THE TYPES OF EQUIPMENT WE ARE PLACING UP HERE AT TIPPIN ARE JUST -- YOU GUYS HAVE TAKEN OUT -- HOW OLD WERE THOSE WATER PUMPS YOU REPLACED. >> NEAR 100 YEARS OLD AND WE DECOMMISSION THEM LAST WEEK AND MOVING TOWARD STARTING THE OFFICIAL BUTTON ON ALL NEW PUMPS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THINK OF THIS. MECHANICAL WATER PUMPS 100 YEARS OLD USING AND DEPENDENT UPON. RESILIENT. WE HAVE ALL THIS EQUIPMENT UP THERE THAT THEY ARE IMPROVING AND MAKING THESE THINGS MORE RESILIENT. THEY ARE GOING TO NEWER TECHNOLOGY, SAFER TECHNOLOGY SO WE ARE NOT TRANSPORTING HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS. THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING IS JUST INCREDIBLE. THIS IS PART OF THE MAYOR'S PIPE PROBABLY THAT EVERY CITY IN THE COUNTRY WOULD BE ENVIOUS OF THE AMOUNT OF PROJECTS OF THAT PICK PROJECT AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS BEING DONE NOT JUST AT TIPPIN BUT AROUND THE CITY. NOT SEXY BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T SEE IT. NOT JUST THIS -- IT IS NOT A RIVER WALK OR NOT A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING OR NOT A -- THIS BIG INFRASTRUCTURE -- BIG PUBLIC PARK, BUT, YOU KNOW WHAT, PEOPLE THAT -- THAT WATER IS SEXY. >> I AGREE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I APPRECIATE THE FACT OF THE WORK YOU GUYS ARE DOING. YOU ARE INCREDIBLE. PROJECTS YOU ARE WORKING ON IS INCREDIBLE. I, FOR ONE, IS VERY APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR TEAM AND WHAT YOU DO FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE FUTURE OF CITY OF TAMPA. YOU ARE CARVING OUT A FUTURE FOR THE NEXT 100 YEARS. >> I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL ME MEMBER. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU FOR YOUR FINE REPORT. HE IS NOT GOING TO BRING IT UP, BUT THIS ONE OF THE BETTER DEPARTMENTS IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY, I BELIEVE, IN WATER. WHAT IS YOUR CURRENT RATE -- ONLY A FEW INDIVIDUALS IN THE WHOLE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, ENTITIES THAT HAVE A AAA RATING IN STOCK MARKET. AM I CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE OF THEM. >> ONE OF EIGHT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE OF EIGHT EIGHT, IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY? HOW MANY WATER SYSTEMS DO YOU HAVE IN THE COUNTRY. >> HOW MANY WATER SYSTEMS? THOUSANDS. THOUSANDS. EVERY CITY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW IF THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT. YOU DELIVER ON TIME, ON BUDGET. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE COME AND SAY, HOW ARE YOU DOING IT? WHY ARE YOU DOING IT THAT WAY? AND YOU GUY -- NOT YOU -- I SEE MR. /* BAIRD. BEFORE THAT MR. TIPPIN. CAN'T GO 100 YEARS BECAUSE CLENDENIN WILL JUMP ON ME THAT I AM 105. I KNOW HOW HE IS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO BACK TO TALK ABOUT WHEN THE FIRST WATER WAS CREATED. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT WAS THERE AND IT WASN'T THAT GOOD EITHER. WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE. ALL OF YOU -- MEN AND WOMEN -- EVEN THOSE THAT CHECK THE METERS. SAY THIS. TALKING OF METERS. METERS DO NOT RUN FAST. THE REASON YOU CHANGE METERS IS BECAUSE THEY RUN SLOW. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT HAPPENS IN THE METERS. SOMETIMES THERE IS A LEAK. AND IT IS -- SOMETIMES ONE SIDE METER OR THE OTHER SIDE. THAT IS HISTORY. THE GROUND SHAKES AND MOVEMENT OR TRUCKS OR SOMETHING. THAT CAUSES THAT. BUT -- BUT THE WATER DEPARTMENT OF TAMPA IS UNIQUE. IT IS EXCELLENT. AND WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR SERVICE TO ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT WORK THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> APPRECIATE. NOT A ONE-MAN SHOW. OUR TEAM AND SUPPORT FROM YOU GUYS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I DISAGREE WITH OBVIOUSLY MANY THINGS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE, BUT PIPES PROGRAM, I AGREE WITH. AND I SUPPORT IT. I STILL SUPPORT IT. I THINK IT WAS PROACTIVE. AND IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT AS MY COLLEAGUE SAYS PEOPLE NECESSARILY SEE AND SOMETIMES THEY ARE FRUSTRATED BY ROADS BEING SHUT DOWN PREEMPTIVELY REPLACING PIPES WE ARE PREVENTING ACCIDENTAL ROAD CLOSURES. IN THIS SYSTEM, THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH AND UPGRADED TECHNOLOGIES AND PUT IN MORE ADVANCE TECHNOLOGY AND I CAN THAT -- THEY HAVE BEEN PROACTIVE ABOUT THAT AND A VERY SMART THING. RORY IS EXACTLY THE RIGHT PERSON TO BE RUNNING THIS DEPARTMENT. HAS DONE A GREAT JOB. HE AND HIS TEAM ARE INCREDIBLY RESPONSIVE TO CONSTITUENTS. AND LOOKING AT. SO I DON'T HAVE TO GO TWICE. I WILL SAY SAME THING ABOUT HIM. MAYBE I SAID THIS BEFORE, WE WERE IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOUND THAT WASTEWATER FLOODED THE WHOLE STREET. WITHIN AN HOUR ERIC HAD A SANITIZING TRUCK GOING DOWN THE STREET. I THINK 45 MINUTES AND SO INCREDIBLY IMPRESSIVE HOW BOTH OF THEM RESPOND SO WELL TO THE COMMUNITY AND THEY ARE PROACTIVE AND COLUMBIA CA I HAVE IT. I WANT TO THANK THEM BOTH AND THEIR TEAMS FOR THEIR RESPONSES. THANK YOU. >> APPRECIATE THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOING INTO THURSDAYS EACH WEEK IS AN ADVENTURE IN THESE CHAMBERS OOP I AM GLAD WE ARE HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADED TO BECAUSE MULKEY WASHINGTON DUNCAN, EVERYBODY WHO HAS BEEN IN TODAY GOES TO SHOW HOW LUCKY WE ARE TO HAVE YOUR LEADERSHIP, ALL OF YOU. YOU RUN GREAT DEPARTMENTS. YOU DO A GREAT JOB. AS MENTIONED WATER IS NOT SEXY. THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT IF THEY ARE WATCHING THEY KNOW ABOUT BUT OTHER THAN THAT THEY DON'T KNOW. REPLACING THINGS THAT 100 YEARS OLD. WHEN I COULDN'T SLEEP AND WHICH IS COMMON AND WORTHYING ABOUT MONEY. MAYOR CURTIS HIXON AND A WASTEWATER SEWAGE PIPE PROJECT AT 15TH. AND WHAT WAS BUFFALO AVENUE WHICH IS MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. SO WHEN I DON'T SLEEP, YOU KNOW, THIS -- THIS IS WHAT I DO. I CAN'T STOP WORKING OR THINKING ABOUT WORK. BUT A COMPLIMENT TO THIS ADMINISTRATION AND YOUR LEADERSHIP AND ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS IS THAT NO MAY I DON'T REMEMBER BEFORE -- I WENT BACK TO HIXON. A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. I WENT BACK TO NUCCIO. ANY MAYOR BEFORE OR AFTER CAN TOUCH THE LEVEL OF INVESTMENT WE HAVE BEEN MAKING WHEN IT COMES TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND COMES TO THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE DON'T SEE. PIPES ARE HISTORICAL. MAYOR BUCKHORN, $215 MILLION FOR ONE MAJOR PROJECT. THIS IS A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR PROJECT ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE. I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD BE APPLAUDED FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR THE -- FOR THE SPEEDINESS OF GETTING THESE THINGS DONE. PEOPLE DON'T SEE IT AND PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW AND I HOPE THEY APPRECIATE IT. SOMETHING THAT IF YOU TURN FAUCET ON, YOU EXPECT CLEAN, SAFE WATER AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. A LOT OF THINGS IN THE CITY AND THIS IS THE IMPORTANT ONE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND MR. WEISS YOU AS WELL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MIGHT AND WITH TO FIND ANOTHER ACRONYM AFTER DAVID TIFFIN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WTF. THAT IS ON THE SLIDE. MR. WISE, ANYTHING TO ADD. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES THAT I CAN DO REAL QUICK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SURE, COME ON UP. >>ER RECOGNIZE WEISS, WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR. PIPES PROGRAM I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS OUR WASTEWATER PUMPING STATIONS. I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE OF SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY AND DIRECT IMPACTS DURING THE STORMS. WE HAVE 228 WASTEWATER PUMPING STATIONS THAT TAKE THE WASTEWATER FROM HOMES, BUSINESSES AND SCHOOLS AND GO TO OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. DIFFERENT THAN THE STORMWATER PUMPS, OKAY. WHY SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY IS IMPORTANT IN THE PIPES PROGRAM WHEN IT COMES TO THE PUMP STATION IS, ANYTHING BEFORE 1970, ALL ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT AND PITCHES WERE BELOW GRADE IN A BASEMENT. OBVIOUSLY WITH SEA LEVEL RISE AND HURRICANES, WATER GETS IN THERE AND BURNS THEM OUT. SO EVERY DESIGN WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW HAS REALLY THREE MAIN THINGS. ONE, IT HAS ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, LOW GRADE. WE BRING IT UP. ONE FOOT ABOVE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN. ANY PUMPS, MAKE THEM WATER PROOF. THIRDLY WHICH IS MOST IMPORTANT REPUT A STATIONARY BY PASS IN CASE TECO POWER GETS LOSS. A NEW DIESEL PUMP WILL KEEP IT RUNNING THROUGHOUT THE STORM. CURRENTLY WE HAVE 28 PROJECTS THAT ARE REHABILITATION OF PUMPING STATIONS. ABOUT $48 MILLION. IT IS GOING WELL. I JUST WANTED -- ONE MORE QUICK LEAD IS BECAUSE I KNOW IT IS RUNNING LATE. OOPS, SORRY. SO DURING THE STORM, THESE LAST TWO HURRICANES, WE HAD SEVEN WASTEWATER PUMPING STATIONS THAT GOT FLOODED OUT AND SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE. SO WHAT WE ARE DOING, IF YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT, THAT IS 18th STREET WASTEWATER PUMPING STATION. SO NORTH 18th STREET. EAST 97TH AVENUE, THAT IS OUR PUMPING STATION IN THE MIDDLE OF THE POND BECAUSE IT GOT SO FLOODED. OKAY. WHAT WE ARE DOING -- HOPEFULLY BY THE NEXT RAINY SEASON HERE ALREADY WE WILL DO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT LIGHT. WE ARE USING OUR IN-HOUSE ELECTRICIANS, ENGINEERS, ON THE ROOF OF THAT FACILITY AND FOR TO TOTAL OF SEVEN. WE ARE PUTTING UP NEW ELECTRICAL PANELS, BUILDING THEM OURSELVES AND PUTTING IT ABOVE 100-YEAR FLOOD PLAIN. CHANGING OUT THE PUMPS. UP CALL IT CIP LIGHT. NOT A FULL PROJECT BUT COST $2 MILLION OR $ 3 MILLION. $400,000 FOR ALL THEM AND IF GET US THROUGH THE NEXT RAINY SEASON BECAUSE HE DON'T WANT THE SAME THING TO HAPPEN THAT HAPPENED THE LAST TIME WITH WASTEWATER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA AND CLENDENIN. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I ASKED THE ADMINISTRATION TO LOOK AT DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT. AND THAT IS TO TAKE PEOPLE TO YOUR WASTEWATER PLANT, TO THE WATER PLANT, AND TO IT THE REFUGE ENERGY PLANT SO PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT TAKES TO RUN THE MAJORITY OF A CITY. YOU SEE GLAMOUR OF THINGS ON TV. BUT YOU DON'T SEE THESE THINGS THAT REALLY WITHOUT THEM, YOU COULDN'T HAVE A CITY WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO AN AGREEMENT HOMEOWNER AND SAVE ASSOCIATION THAT MEETS ON WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY. WE HAVE A BUS. WE TAKE THE BUS. AND AIM WORKING ON SOME FINANCING TO GET A LUNCH BOX SO THEY CAN SPEND THE AFTERNOON LOOKING AT YOUR PLACE. WHAT YOU GUY DO, ALL OF YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE WATER PLANTS AND WASTE ENERGY. AND THE REFUGE TO ENERGY. THOSE THREE ITEMS ARE POSH TO ANY CITY AND WILL PUT OUR THREE AGAINST ANYBODY IN THE COUNTRY. BECAUSE WE CAN CERTAINLY BE BE THERE AND TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT WE ARE DOING HOW WE ARE DOING. WATER, FLUSHING THE TOILET TRUCKS UP ADAMO DROVE. THAT IS ALL YOU SEE. IT IS NOT ENOUGH. THEY WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND THE WORK THAT ALL OF YOU DO IN THOSE THREE DEPARTMENTS. THANK YOU.VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: QUESTION. WHEN WE HAVE INUNDATION LIKE FRESH WATER INUNDATION AND FRESH WATER INUNDATION INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM. ANYTHING WE CAN TO DO PREVENT SEWAGE BACK-UPS. TRULY INNOVATIVE. A GRAVITY SYSTEM AND NO WAY TO PRESENT THAT STUFF FROM HAPPENING. >> I WILL SAY A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. WHAT WE ARE DOING LINING THE EXISTING GRAVITY PIPES. WE ARE FIXING LEAKS IN THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM THAT STOPS STORMWATER FROM GETTING IN THERE AND TAKING UP THE CAPACITY. AND THAT IS THE BIG THING NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, THE GENERATORS THAT WE ARE DOING. I CAN TELL YOU IN 2017, HURRICANE IRMA. WE HAD 25 TO 30 PUMPINGS, GENERATORS. AND WE NOW HAVE 74. THAT IS GROWING EVERY YEAR. INCLUDED THE 23 PROJECTS THAT, YOU CURRENTLY ACTIVE. THOSE WILL HAVE GENERATORS AND WILL ADD TO OUR TOTAL. SO I THINK ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS WILL HELP. >> NOT 100% PREVENTABLE BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF HOW WE REMOVE STORM -- >> DEPENDS UPON STORM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES EVERYTHING. YES, MA'AM. AND Q&A. WE ASKED -- A LOT PUBLIC COMMENT. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY PATIENT. MISS DUNCAN, IF NOTHING FURTHER, GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >>JEAN DUNCAN: NOTHING FURTHER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, INTEREST AND VOCHLTD W-- INVOLVEMENT WITH ALL THESE PROJECTS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUBLIC COMMENT. KEEL LA McCASKILL. COLN THOMPSON AND STEP STEPHANIE POYNOR AND JOE COLLIER. . >> GOOD AFTERNOON. COLIN THOMPSON. REPRESENTING THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS ALINES AND MANY OF ITS MEMBERS. IF I MAY, USE THE OLD FASHION WAY. SPEAK OF THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PLAN. WE SENT TO THE CITY AND EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS YESTERDAY A LETTER THAT I ASKED TO BE MADE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD. AND THE GIST OF THE -- OF THE REQUEST IS THAT WE INCLUDE, MODIFY THE CONTRACT TO INCLUDE A REQUIREMENT THAT I BELIEVE THE CITY COUNCIL WAS CRYSTAL CLEAR ON BUT THAT APPARENTLY HAS NOT BEEN HEARD BY THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT. AND THAT IS TO CONSIDER ROUTES THAT ARE AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE SOUTH HOWARD ROUTE OF THIS -- OF THIS PROJECT. I HEARD IT AGAIN TODAY. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE THAT IN -- IN THE CITY -- WHEN THE CITY TALKS OF ALTERNATIVES, AND THE THREE ALTERNATIVES. THEY ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE MAIN ROUTE OF THIS PROJECT THAT TAKES IT DOWN SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE. THE PRESENTATION FROM THE GRADE A PROJECT REPORT THAT WE JUST SAW SHOWS THAT THE -- THAT THE MANY LINE GOES DOWN SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE RECEIPT BY BURNS, EPICURIAN AND MANY OF THE BUSINESS THERE IS. THE ALTERNATIVES ARE WITH REGARD TO THE TOP PORTION THAT CONNECT TO THE SOUTH HOWARD SUR. THE BRISTOL TO HOWARD. SWANN TO HOWARD OR MORRISON TO HOWARD. THE PROJECT -- THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE -- THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE IS WITH REGARD TO HOWARD AVENUE. THE NEW STORMWATER INFORMATION PAGE BY THE -- THAT THE CITY HAS PUT OUT MAKES THAT ALSO CLEAR. IT IS PROBABLY MAP SHOWS THAT ALTERN ALTERNATIVES ON THE MAP ARE ONLY WITH REGARD TO THOSE SPURS. FEBRUARY SIX WITH A MEETING BEFORE THE COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN ASKED TO MAKE SURE AND REITERATED THAT WHEN HE VOTED FOR THE PLAN IT WAS TO MACK SURE THERE WERE OPTIONS US THERE. MR. BHIDE SAID THAT SWANN TO HOWARD, MORESSTON HOWARD AND BRISTOL. THAT IS ALL THAT WILL WAS THERE. NOT WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY CONTEMPLATED BY COUNCIL. MR. BHIDE SAID WE HAD TO HAVE THIS CONTRACT IN PLACE FOR THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE FOR EXPERTS TO CONSIDER OPTIONS. WHAT OPTIONS WAS IT IS THAT THE COUNCIL WAS TALKING ABOUT? AS COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN SAID, I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT A ROUTE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE HOWARD. AND MR. BHIDE SAID THAT IS OUR COMMITMENT. NOTHING IN THE CONTRACT PRECLUDES THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN SAYS AND I BELIEVE IT WAS ALSO THE INTENT AND THE UNDERSTANDING OF OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS, WE WILL TAKE A LEAP OF FAITH IN APPROVING THIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS STEPHANIEPOYNOR FOLLOWED BY JOE COLLIER AND MR. DAVID ADAMS. YES, MA'AM, STATE YOUR NAME. >> STEPHANIE POYNOR. THIS PRESENTATION WAS TEN POUND OF CRAP IN A FIVE POUND BAG. BECAUSE WE ARE BARELY GOING TO GO THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT IN MORNING AND WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT FOR THE RECORD, HANNAH STREET WAS APPROVED IN ACT 2021. RIBBON CUTTING IN 2023. STATION 24 WAS APPROVED IN THE FY '21 BUDGET AND THEY HAVEN'T BROKEN GROUND. WE OWNED THIS LAND SINCE 1978 PER MR. PERRY AT LAST WEEK'S BUDGET MEETING. $2 MILLION HAS BEEN SPENT ON ENVIRONMENTAL ALREADY. IS THAT PART OF THAT $24 MILLION? MY UNDERSTANDING MR. GRECO LOOKED AT IT IN A MEETING LAST WEEK AND HE SEEMED TO BE OKAY WITH THE PRICING OTHERWISE BECAUSE A LOT OF BELLS AND WHISTLES GOING IN THERE. MAYBE WE CAN PUT SOME OF THAT OFF AND PUT IT IN LATER. I DON'T KNOW. HERE IS MY BIG THING. FEDERAL DOLLARS ARE NOT GUARANTEED AT THIS POINT. IF WE DON'T, WE ARE MORONS. WE NEED TO RATCHET IT BACK. IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE NOT GET STAG PAYCHECK NEXT WEEK, YOU FIX YOUR SPENDING. MY PRIORITIES THE WASTEWATER PUMPING STATIONS WHICH WILL BE FABULOUS. STATION 24. I ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. $2 MILLION THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SPENT ON IT. WATER IMPROVEMENTS. WE HAVE TO HAVE YES, W.T.F. I LOVE IT HOWARD AVENUE FDEP MONEY FROM S.W.F.W.M.D. TOGETHER. THEY PAID $25 MILLION TOWARD THE $54 MILLION MacDILL 48 PROJECT. HOW MUCH MONEY IS COMING FROM THE FEDS? BECAUSE DOES NOT SAY IN ANY OF THE GREAT EIGHT WHICH WAS GREAT NINE I THINK THIS MORNING BECAUSE WHEN WE GOT AN EXTRA PRESENTATION OUT OF IT. WHAT IS THE PROJECTED VALUE OF SPRUCE STREET? ASHLEY DRIVE, WHILE I LIKE IT AND ONE OF MY FAVORITE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD SUBJECTED IT, I THINK IT IS AS HURRY UP AND WAIT THING, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THOSE FEDERAL FUNDS. I WANT TO KNOW EVERY BIT OF THE FEDERAL FUND DESIGNATED ON THERE. DO WE HAVE THEM YET, IF THE ANSWER IS NO, WE HAVE TO WAIT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE CAN'T CAN:COUNT OUR CHICKENS BEFORE THEY HATCH. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. FOLKS HERE FOR ONE PROJECT AND SURE NICE TO BREAK IT UP A LITTLE BIT SO THEY CAN TALK AND SO THEY COULD GO TO WORK. NOT EVERYBODY CAN SIT LIKE I DO. YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL OF RIVER WALK. I THINK THAT IS A VANITY PROJECT. YOU KNOW HOW FEEL OF THE TPD ANNEX. I THINK IT IS ANOTHER VANITY PROJECT. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MOST LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS DO NOT HAVE THEIR OWN FORENSICS LAB. WHY DO WE NEED ONE. AT $40 MILLION, WE ARE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY WE DON'T HAVE YET. AND I WAS -- I WAS AT ALL THE MEETINGS YOU GUYS WERE AT, AND I DON'T REMEMBER YOU GUYS APPROVING ALL THAT MONEY EITHER. PLEASE NOTE THAT. AND THE ONE IN '22. YOU DON'T REMEMBER. YOU GUYS MAY HAVE DONE IT BUNDLED UP IN SOMETHING ELSE WHERE NOBODY SAW IT BUT YOU DIDN'T APPROVE $40D MILLION, THAT IS FOR DAMN SURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. DAVE COLLIER, DAVID ADAMS, RYAN HAYES I DON'T SEE HERE AND MISS ELIZABETH DIMWITTER. >> GOOD MORNING, HOWDY, JOE COLLIER, GENERAL PARTNER EPICURIAN HOTEL. AFTER THE NOVEMBER EXCITING CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE DECIDED TO TOO I TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION AND JUMP IN WITH SOME CIVIC ACTION. AND SOME COOPERATION. WE HAVE -- WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD IN PARKLAND THAT FLOOD. AND WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO GET THE WATER OUT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST A MOMENT, SIR. MR. WEISS, IF YOU CAN TAKE THE CONVERSATION OUTSIDE. SIR? SIR? IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, PLEASE TAKE OUTSIDE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SORRY, SIR, GO AHEAD. >> SO WE SAID -- WE TRIED TO JUMP IN AND SAY WE HAVE A PROBLEM BE WITH PARKLAND, IT FLOODS. WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO GET THE WATER OUT. IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO DO IT? A QUICK RECAP. WE MET WITH THE MAYOR AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF. MET CAN KIMMINS. HIRED A LOCAL ENGINEERING FIRM BASED ON WHAT THE MAYOR AND CHIEF OF STAFF TOLD US. WE HIRED AN ENGINEERING FIRM. FIVE ALTERNATE ROUTES WERE DEVELOPED. WE MET WITH THE PARKLAND BOARD. I KNOW YOU WILL HEAR FROM THE SUBSET OF PARKLAND BUT NOT ON THE BOARD. WE MET WITH VIK AND HIS TEAM AND LEARNED A TON THROUGH THIS. A TON. A QUICK RECAP SO YOU CAN ASK THE MIGHT QUESTIONS TO HELP YOU GUIDE THE PROCESS. TO DATE, NOTHING HAS BEEN BUILT AND DESIGNED ON THIS PROJECT. NOTHING HAS BEEN BUILT OR DESIGNED. KIMMON HAS BEEN BROUGHT ON TO DESIGN IT TO GIVE YOU THE ANSWERS, BUT THEY ARE PRECLUDING ALL THESE ALTERNATE ROUTES. WE HAVE SOME REALLY GOOD ALTERNATE ROUTES WE PUT FORWARD. I THINK THEY ARE PRETTY SHARP IF YOU GUYS TAKE THE TOO EMTO LOOK AT THEM. IT TOOK OUR ENGINEER TWO WEEKS TO CREATE THE SAME LEVEL OF EXHIBITS THAN WHAT THE CITY HAS. EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY SAY NO MANAGE OAK HOWARD AVENUE AT ALL THIS AND THEA WILL CONTRIBUTE THE MONEY WITH ANY OF THE CONNECTIONS WE PROPOSE AND MANY OTHERS WE HAVEN'T PROPOSED .NO MAGIC TO HOWARD AVENUE FOR THEA, THE $10 MILLION, $11 MILLION, $12 MILLION. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME A ASK THEA. I ASKED VIK, IF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL TASK WITH A DRAINAGE ROUTE THAT DIDN'T CLOSE SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE, CAN DO YOU IT. THE ANSWER WAS ABSOLUTELY. MIGHT COST A LITTLE BIT MORE. BUT HE SAID THAT IS A POLITICAL SITUATION. THAT IS WHAT VIK. THEY SAID FIND THE FASTEST, CHEAPY ROUTE. DOESN'T MATTER THE COST OF THE BUSINESSES. COST OF THE BUSINESS IS A POLITICAL DECISION. THE PARKLAND BOARD THAT WE MET WITH, FOLKS THAT REPRESENT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY ARE BEHIND THREE OF OUR ALTERNATIVES. TWO THEY COULD GET BEHIND BUT NEEDED A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK. SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS GROUP AND YOU GOT THE PARKLAND GROUP. WE HAVE COME TOGETHER AND SAID THAT IS THE BEST WAY FOR CIVIC COOPERATION AND REDUCE THE FRICTION, SO I THINK WE HAVE GOT SOME PRETTY GOOD IDEAS IN THERE, BUT YOUR CONTRACT WITH KIMMINS PRECLUDES YOU FROM EVEN LETTING YOU STUDY WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED. SO IN GOOD FAITH, WE SPENT THE MONEY. WE PUT SOME ALTERNATIVES TIFFS O -- ALTERNATIVES TO THROUGH THE. AND TEAMS TO ME WHAT COOPERATION. WE WANT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM IN PARKLAND. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO SLOW THIS DOWN BUT NOTHING HAS BEEN DESIGNED YET. NOW IS THE TIME TO START THE DESIGN PROCESS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR. MR. DAVID ADAMS, ELIZABETH DIMWOODY AND HARRY COLEMAN. GOOD MORNING, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING, DAVIDED A DAMENTS, I LIVE IN PARKLAND EST ESTATES. I SEEK YOUR CONTINUED RELIEF OF THE HOWARD PROJECT. WHAT WE ARE DEALING DURING SUMMER RAINSTORMS PICTURE DECEMBER 23, 2024. DIRECTOR BHIDE SAY EAST PENINSULA GATHERS TENS OF MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER WITH HEAVY RAIN. TO KEEP THE STORMWATER SYSTEM UP TO DATE, NO PLACE FOR THE WATER TO GO ON OUR STREETS AND INTO OUR HOMES. DURING MILTON, OVER 150 HOMES WERE FLOODED IN THIS BASIN. MY HOME WAS THEM. 33 INCHES OUTSIDE OF MY FENCE AND 12 INCHES IN MY HOUSE. I LOST EVERYTHING ON THE FIRST FLOOR, FAMILY PICTURES ARE, FURNITURE, MY KITCHEN, LAUNDRY ROOM, DOORS, WALLS, YOU NAME IT. FINANCIAL AND EMOTIONAL TOLL HAVES YOUR HOUSE DESTROYED BY A FLOOD IS UNBELIEVABLY DEVASTATING. I AM STILL TRYING TO REBUILD. PICTURES OF THE DEVASTATION CAUSED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE NOVEMBER MEETINGS THAT WE HAD AND AFTER HURRICANE MILTON. HERE IS ANOTHER ONE. HERE IS ANOTHER ONE. I CAN GO ON A LONG TIME BECAUSE 150 HOUSES THAT LOOK LIKE THIS. YOUR STORMWATER DEPARTMENT HAS A SOLUTION AND THAT'S THIS PROJECT THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. THAT SOLUTION WILL MOVE THOSE TENS OF MILLIONS OF GALLONS OUT OF THE EAST PENINSULA BASIN TO TAMPA BAY WHERE THE WATER BELONGS. DOESN'T BELONG ON THE STREETS. IT DOESN'T BELONG IN OUR HOMES. HERE IS A GRAPH OF THE TAMPA METRO POPULATION LAST 30 YEARS. 1919 WHEN -- 1991 WHEN I MOVED IN, NOW THE POPULATION IS THREE MILLION PEOPLE. 74% INCREASE. OVER THOSE 34 YEARS, THERE HAS BEEN NO STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS ALONG SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE. PARKLAND ESTATES WAS PLATTED IN 1924. 100 YEARS IS A LONG TIME NOT TO UPDATE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT IS PARTICULARLY UNFAIR BECAUSE IN 2016, THIS COUNCIL PASSEDED A STORMWATER TAX FOR THE CENTRAL AND LOWER BASINS. THAT MONEY WAS EAR MARKED FOR PROJECTS JUST LIKE THIS ONE. THAT MONEY HAS BEEN BUDGETED AND READY TO PROVIDE FLOOD RELIEF RIGHT NOW. NO INTEREST, NOTHING. MONEY IS READY TO GO. TENS OF MILLIONS OF GALLONS HAVE TO BE MOVED FROM THE HEAVY RAINS THAT CAN'T BE DONE THROUGH MAINTENANCE OF STORMWATER SYSTEM WITH IDEA LIKE INCREASING THE SIZE OF THE INLET'S THAT GO IN THERE. THAT WILL BE LIKE TRYING TO FILL UP YOUR CAR WITH AN EYE DROPPER. IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. EXISTING PIPES CAN'T HANDLE THE MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER. WE NEED A LARGE GRAVITY-BASED CULVERT SYSTEM TO ELIMINATE THE STRUCTURAL FLOODING. OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, COUNCIL AUTHORIZED OVER $11 MILLION FOR OTHER FLOOD RELIEF FOR OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY. WE NEED RELIEF TOO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ELIZABETH DIMWITTY, HARRY COLEMAN. STEVE GARISH, GOOD MORNING, MA'AM. >> HI, I AM ELIZABETH DIMWITTY KNOWN AS LIZ ARCAD NEW YORK CITY E-MAILS. SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE FIVE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO VOTED YES TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD. IT MEANS SO MUCH TO ME AND MY FAMILY. I AM GOING TO TRY TO SPEAK TODAY WITHOUT CRYING, SO CROSS THE FINGERS. THIS IS JUST A VERY EMOTIONAL TOPIC. BECAUSE IT IS -- IT IS YOUR HOME. NOTHING MORE PERSONAL THAN THE SAFETY OF YOUR FAMILY. AND I WOULD NOT HAVE BOUGHT THIS HOME ONE AND A HALF YEARS AGO IF I KNEW THAT IT WAS IN A FLOOD ZONE. IT WAS SOLD TO ME AS A NO FLOOD ZONE PROPERTY. I SPECIFICALLY SEARCHED FOR A NO FLOOD ZONE PROPERTY. AND I BOUGHT THIS HOME IN FLOOD ZONE X. AND MANY HOMES AROUND ME IN FLOOD ZONE X DID NOT FLOOD. TO SO IT IS NOT LIKE, OH, BECAUSE IT WAS A RAIN EVENT OF A PARTICULAR -- IT WAS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THAT LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE IS WHAT CAUSED MY FLOOD ZONE X HOME TO FLOOD. AND THAT CAN BE FIXED. AND OUR ENGINEERS HAVE SHOWN YOU THE WAY TO FIX IT. OUR MAYOR WANT THIS TO BE FIXED. OUR CITY ENGINEERS WANT THIS TO BE FIXED. THIS LITERALLY WILL COME DOWN TO YOU AND HOW YOU VOTE NEXT. IF THE COUNTY TO BREAK GROUND OR NOT. I THINK WE HAVE VERY STRONG YES VOTES AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OF VOTES THAT ARE NOT STRONG YES VO VOTES. I PLEAD WITH THOSE SEQUOIA COUNCILMEMBERS THAT IT WILL BE YOUR CHOICE IF WHETHER OR NOT MY FAMILY IS SAFE. I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS. LIKE, THIS ISN'T A MAYBE. WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN TRAUMATIZED BY THIS LACK OF ACTION. AND I REALLY, REALLY ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT IT IS DOWN TO YOU AND YOUR VOTE WHETHER OR NOT THIS SAFETY WILL HAPPEN FOR MY FAMILY, FOR THE PEOPLE DRIVING ON THESE ROADS. IT IS A VERY BIG ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR -- FOR MANY YEARS. AND I ASK IS YOU TO REMEMBER THE BUS DRIVER NINE YEARS AGO. YOU KNOW, I CAN SHOW YOU THE VIDEO. NINE YEARS AGO THIS BUS DRIVER TRAPPEDED IN ALL IN WATER WITH ALL THESE PEOPLE. THIS ISN'T NEW. THIS IS NINE YEARS OF ENGINEERS LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT. NINE YEARS ALREADY OF VARIOUS ROUTES. PLEASE DO NOT BE CONVINCED THAT MORE I NEED -- MORE -- MORE -- LIKE LET'S CONSIDER ALL THESE DIFFERENT ROUTES. OKAY, THEY HAVE. THERE ARE NINE YEARS OF MULTIPLE ENGINEERS. I MET WITH ENGINEERS ON THIS PROJECT AND THEY ARE SO KIND AS YOU ARE BEING NOW TO HEAR FROM ME. APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. ENGINEERS HAVE DONE THEIR HOMEWORK. THIS IS NINE YEARS. NINE YEARS. HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY LIKE LISTEN TO THE SLICES SAYING WE NEED MORE -- MORE ROUTES. THEY -- THEY HAVE CHOSEN THIS ROUTE BASED ON THEIR KNOWLEDGE, THEIR EXPERTISE. PLEASE TRUST THE ENGINEERS OF OUR CITY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HARRY COLEMAN AND GASHISH. IT IS DR. GARISH. YOU ARE THE LAST SPEAKER FOR THIS ITEM AND WE GO TO THE NEXT ITEMS. GOOD MORNING, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> IT IS HARRY COLEMAN. GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR LET ME SPEAK TODAY. I HAVE BEEN IN THIS CHAMBER FOR SEVERAL OCCASIONS SUPPORTS MY NEIGHBORS, ADVOCATING FOR MY FAMILY. THIS VIDEO THAT I AM SHOWING IS WHY. ME AND MY FAMILY ARE NOT ALONE. 150 HOMES, ADDITIONAL BUSINESSES. THEY WERE ALLED INTOED ALL DURING SUMMERLONG AND DURING MILTON AS WELL. WE LOST 16 GRAND TREES WITH SOIL SATURATED AND IT FELL OVER. CITY WAS ON FOUNTAIN CUTTING DOWN PROBABLY AN 80-FOOT OAK TREE BECAUSE IT REARED UP AND CRACKED ONE OF MY NEIGHBOR'S ROADWAYS. THIS IS SHOWS WE NEED TO ATTACK THE FLOODING PROBLEM AT THE ROOT CAUSE, INADEQUATE STORMWATER CAPACITY. CURRENT SYSTEM IS SHOWN HERE. AND THIS OUT OF THE JMT STUDY. IT IS NOT KIMMINS. THEY ARE T-- NEITHER ARE THEY TE CITY ENGINEERS. AN OUTSIDE FIRM TO DO THE STUDY AND MAPS WE HAVE SHOWN ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2020. THE CURRENT ACTUAL SYSTEM AND BLUE AND FLOWS OUT TO THE SOUTHWEST AND DOWN BY FRED BALL PARK. SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT WILL AUGMENT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. WE WILL NOT REPLACE. WE WILL WE ARE COMPLETELY ADDING ADDITIONAL CAPACITY TO THE ACTUAL SYSTEM. THIS IS THE TIME FOR USES TO DO IT. I THINK IF YOU LOOK DOWN ON THIS MAP AS WELL, THERE IS NOTHING DOWN HOWARD WHICH IS CRAZY TO ME. I THINK HYDE PARK HAS THEIR OWN DRAINAGE. IF YOU LOOK TO BAY TO BAY THEIR OWN DRAINAGE AND NOTHING ON HOWARD AND HAVEN'T TOUCH IT IN 70 YEARS. YOU ALLOW ME THE ANALOGY AND MANY OTHERS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, PATCHING A TIRE ON A PICKUP TRUCK. EVERY TIME A BLOWOUT, WE PATCH A TIRE. THE CITY DOES THE PATCH. THE TRUCK TAMPA, CARRYING HEAVIER AND HEAVIER LOADS. AND WE KEEP PATCHING. CHOOSE TO BUILD HOTELS SO PEOPLE CAN COME VISIT TO SEE OUR AMAZING CITY. THEY GET TO VISIT OUR RESTAURANTS AND WORLD-CLASS WATER ACCESS AND THEY WANT TO BUILD HERE AND NEW HOUSING AND ECONOMIC. TO DO SO WE NEED TO STOP PATCHING. ADD MORE TIRES UNDER THE FLAT BED. CONVERT IT TO A DULY TRUCK AND FREEDOM TO LIVE THE LIVES WE ALREADY HAVE CHOSE. SOUTH HOWARD RELIEF PROJECT ARE THOSE NEW TIERS. MY PARTING THOUGHT IS WE NEED THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT BECAUSE GETS TO THE ROOT CAUSE OF OUR ISSUE. OTHER INITIATIVES THAT WILL AUGMENT IT, I'M ALL FOR THEM. BUT YOU CANNOT SUBTRACT FROM THIS BUDGET. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. MICHELINI, YOU ARE NOT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. DR. GARISH. >> I AM SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET ME REFRESH THIS. DR. GARISH, YOU ARE THE NEXT SPEAKER. >> YOU WANTED TO GIVE YOU ONE OF THESE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE THE LAST SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM, SIR. >> PUT THIS. >> MY NAME IS STEVE GARISH 22 WEST PARKLAND. FIRST, I WANT TO START BY SAYING THANK YOU TO THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL AGAIN FOR PASSING THE VOTE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT. IT HAS GIVEN US HOPE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AT A TIME WHEN VERY LITTLE OF THAT GOING AROUND. A RENEWED VIGOR OF SOME PARTIES TO SHUT THE PROJECT DOWN. TODAY YOU HAVE ALL HEARD REASONS WHY YOU SHOULD CONSIDER SHUTTING DOWN THE FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT. REASONS SUCH AS IT WON'T WORK AND ONLY A SMALL MINORITY SUPPORT THE PROJECT OR THERE ARE NO SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON. I PLEAD OF ALL OF YOU TO PLEASE THINK CAREFUL BEFORE BELIEVING BLANKET STATEMENTS. ASK FOR EVIDENCE, PROOF AND DOCUMENTATION. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A REBUTTAL TO SOME OF THESE STATEMENTS NUMBER ONE, IT WON'T WORK. WE HAVE EVIDENCE THAT THE PROBABLY WILL WORK. TEN YEARS OF STUDY AND RESEARCH BY DEDICATED PROFESSIONALS AND OUTSIDE ENGINEERING FIRMS HAVE WORKED ON DEVELOPING THIS PROJECT ALVA YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SUMMARY OF THE JMT FINDS. FLOODWATERS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE EXPECTED TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED BY THIS PROJECT. WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE THAT THE PROJECT WON'T WORK? IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT ENGINEERS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD LAUGH AT THIS PROJECT AND THEY HAVE A BETTER PLAN. WHERE ARE THOSE PLAN AS SOON AS IS IT READY TO START RIGHT -- IS IT READY TO START RIGHT NOW LIKE A PLAN THAT HAS ALREADY STARTED? SHOW US THAT THESE ENGINEERS ARE LAUGHS AT THE PROJECT, BECAUSE I CAN ASSURE YOU AFTER SPENDING A LIFE'S WORTH WILOF SAVINGS TO S LIFE LIFE, I AM NOT LAUGHING. TRY 150 FAMILIES WHOSE HOMES FLOODED. 30 OR SO PEOPLE WHO LIE ALONG THE POTENTIAL CONSTRUCTION ROUTE, ONLY OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT AMONGST HOMEOWNERS. HARDLY A MAJORITY. MOST OF THE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE UNAAFFECTED BY FLOODING OR CONSTRUCTION AND THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE AN OPINION. MAJORITY OF HOMEOWNERS WITH AN OPINION ARE MOST DEFINITELY FOR THIS PROJECT. NUMBER TWO, NO SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON. MOBILITY DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN ACTIVELY REPAVING ROADS NORTH OF SWANN. CLEANING AND FIXING RETENTION POND AND EVALUATE GOING CEMENT THAT MAY IMPEDE DRAINAGE. ACTIVE PROBLEMS DESIGNED FOR SHORT-TERM IMPROVEMENT. IN CONCLUSION, ALREADY SPENT WEEKS DEBATING THE MERITS OF THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT. A WELL STUDIED AND AT THE SIGNED PROJECT THAT WILL PROVIDE FLOOD RELIEF FOR DECADES TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. NO NEW OR COMPELLING EVIDENCE THAT CHANGES WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY HEARD AND DECIDED UPON. ONLY UNSUB STATE 1998ED STATEMENTS. TO SHUT DOWN THE PROJECT WILL BE TOTAL ABANDONMENT OF THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE ALL WE WILL HAVE IS MORE EMPTY PROMISES AND STATEMENTS WITHOUT MERIT AND ANOTHER TEN YEARS WILL PASS BY WITH OUR STREETS CONSTANTLY FLOODING AND OUR HOMES LIKELY FLOODING AGAIN AS WELL. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. MR. MECHANIK, YOU ARE THE LAST SPEAKER FOR THAT GROUP AND THE NEXT ITEM AND ANOTHER GROUP. YOU ARE IN THE NEXT GROUP. >> I SIGNED UP ON ITEM NUMBER 2. >> IT SHOWS ITEM NUMBER 3. >> THUD HAVE BEEN 2. >> YOU WANT TO SWAP IT. WE WILL CLOSE YOU OUT AS THE LAST -- OKAY, ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING,ER IS. STATE YOUR NAME. >> STEVE MICHELINI ON BEHALF BUSINESS ALLIANCE. LET ME PUT A DOCUMENT ON THE OVERHEAD THAT COMES FROM A REPORT THAT SAYS THE ENGINEERS WERE STOPPED FROM VIEWING ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE THREE ALTERNATIVES THAT WERE IN THE CONTRACT. ARE SAYS VERY SPECIFICALLY A RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE HERE BECAUSE IT WAS GOING OVER TO THE SWANN AND CROSSTOWN -- OR CSX -- LET ME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT. MOVE IT UP A LITTLE BIT. JUST A LITTLE. SLIGHTLY. >> WHERE AM I GOING? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD SO EVERYTHING FITS. >> ANYWAY, THE RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE INCLUDED ADDITION OF A STORMWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM ALONG SWANN, WHICH HAS SINCE BEEN -- WHICH HAS SINCE BEEN CONSTRUCTED; HOWEVER, IMPLEMENTATION OF RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE WAS NOT COMPLETED AT THE PROPOSED STORMWATER SYSTEM AND MUST CROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS SO THERE WERE TOLD TO DELETE IT. THIS START OFF. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATE 2018. FROM 2018, THEY HAVE KNOWN THEY WERE ONLY GOING TO PROPOSE THE ONE ALTERNATIVE FOR USING BRISTOL, MORRISON AND HOWARD. JUST FOR THE RECORD, YOUR MOTION TO DELETE BRISTOL PRECEDED THE ADOPTION OF THE CONTRACT AND MR. SHELBY ADVISED YOU -- WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO -- THIS WAS DURING THE HEARING. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CONFLICT. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO STOP THE PROJECT, WE WANT TO MAKE IT BETTER. GO OUT TO AND HIRE ENGINEERS THAT ARE REASONABLE. WE DID THAT. 43-PAGE DOCUMENT TRANSMITTED TO YOU YESTERDAY. TECO IS NOT ON BOARD, $1 50U7B,000 AND $200,000 CONNECTIONIN CONNECTION FEE TO GO FROM HOWARD TO EAST BUSINESS. AMAZING. THIS STORMWATER PLAN ONLY ADDRESSES THREE INCHES OF WATER. THEY TELL YOU THAT. SUMMER STORMS THEY SHOWED YOU VIDEO IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND IMPACT PARKLAND. THEY HAVE IGNORED THE EXISTING DITCHES. IGNORED THE FACTP WE GAVE ALTERNATIVES TO NOT DISRUPT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BUSINESSES. NO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ISSUE AT ALL. I AM ASKING FOR A RESOLUTION TO AMEND THE CONTRACT. BECAUSE VIK BHIDE HAS SPECIFICALLY TOLD US THAT HE IS LOCKED IN TO THIS -- TO THE CONTRACT. THAT DOES NOT ALLOW ALTERNATIVES. THIS INCLUDES BRISTOL. THEY ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO INCLUDE BRISTOL IN THERE. THEY CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY WILL LOOK AT OTHER THINGS. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT. CONTRACT IS VERY SPECIFIC. THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO MAKE A RESOLUTION TO ASK -- TO AMEND THAT CONTRACT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR. MENTESNOT IS THE LAST SPEAKER FOR THIS GROUP AND MR. ROGERO WILL KICK OFF THE NEXT INTO YOU ITEMS. >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLOR FLORIDA, UHURU, IT MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI. AND -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, GO AHE AHEAD. >> I WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATIVE IF THEY CAN FOCUS ON THE -- THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN SEE IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR. [BELL CHIMING] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. >> THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, MR. ROG,RO, ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND ITEM NUMBER THREE. COUNCIL, KEEP IN MIND PER THE RULES OF WORKSHOP, WE CONCLUDE BY 1:00. I DON'T KNOW -- UNLESS WE EXTEND IT. JUST A FYI. YES, SIR, MR. ROGERO. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, COUNCIL. DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP, PLEASE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY FOR BONDING OVERVIEW PRESENTATION. AS IT WAS LAST YEAR -- AS WE DID LAST YEAR, WE WILL SHARE A GREAT DEAL OF DATA WITH YOU. WE THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND VERY VALUABLE. A AND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU HAVE PAPER COPIES. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS WASN'T IN ON BASE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: TO YOU HAVE COPIES? I APOLOGIZE. HE IS ON IT. HE IS -- WHAT'S THAT? YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT, AS HE PASSES THOSE OUT TAKING A LOOK AT OUR AGENDA AND START WITH TAN UPDATE AS WE ALWAYS DO. SECOND COMPREHENSIVE DEBT AND BONDING CAPACITY UPDATE. WE TALKED OF THE UNCERTAINTY IN THE WORLD. WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT MORE. I AM NOT GOING TO DENY THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF THAT. YOU CAN SEE WE WILL GO THROUGH THE RATINGS, TOTAL CITY FINANCING, NON-AD VALOREM FINANCING WATER WASTEWATER SOLID WASTE FINANCING, BONDING CAPACITY AND OFFER QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION. AGAIN WE PERHAPS WE ARE PRESSED FOR TIME AND THOSE QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS MAY COME AT ANOTHER TI TIME. I LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR PRESENTERS TODAY. OF COURSE IT IS ME WITH A SMALL W, BELIEVE ME, MOLLY CLARK OF PUBLIC RESOURCES ADVISORY GROUP. ARE THEY HEAR YET? THEY ARE ENTERING NOW. AND THIS IS MOLLY CLARK, PUBLIC RESOURCES ADVISORY GROUP. WILL REID, OF FORD AND ASSOCIATES. AND OUR BOND COUNSEL AND THE PRESIDENT OF FORD ASSOCIATES COMING IN ALSO. AS YOU HEARD ME STATE BEFORE, WE HAVE A VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL HISTORY WITH THESE PROFESSIONALS. WE MAKE A GREAT TEAM. AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU PROOF POSITIVE OF THAT IN JUST A MOMENT. MR. REID, ARE YOU READY? MR. ROAD WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH A MUNICIPAL DEBT UPDATE. GIVING YOU CONTEXT OF THE ENVIRONMENT WE ARE WORKING IN AND THROUGH AS IT WE TRY TO FINANCE PROJECTS. MR. REID. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE COUNCIL. MY NAME IS WILL REID, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF FORD AND ASSOCIATES AND WE ARE YOUR MUNICIPAL ADVISORS OTHER WHERE YOU ARE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEMS. ADVANCE THE SLIDE. SO -- THIS YEAR HAS BEEN PARKED BE EXTREME VOLATILITY. FEELS AS THOUGH THE ONLY THING LESS CERTAIN THIS YEAR THAN THE MARKETS IS THE RAY STADIUM NEGOTIATIONS. WE HAVE SEEN THE STOCK MARKETS BOUNCE FROM UNDER 39,000 TO OVER 45,000 ENDING THE YEAR AT 42.5 THOUSAND. TREND HAS CONTINUED BACK TO 45,000 AND FALLING DOWN TO 43,000. FEDERAL RESERVE PLAYED THEIR ROLE WITH THREE CUTS STARTING IN LATE 2024, TAKING THE UPPER SEND FROM 5.5% DOWN TO 4 BE -- 4.5%. MUNICIPAL MARKET TO A MORE NORMAL ENVIRONMENT ALOSING EN VERSION, TRIPLE INDEX FROM 2% TO 4% OFF 30 YEARS. THE CHALLENGES THE CITY HAS PACED HAVEN'T BEEN JUST MARKET DRIVENL BUT WEATHER AS WELL. THIS CHART SHOULD SHOW YOU HOW THE CITY AND THE STAFF'S NIMBLENESS TO ENTER THE MARKET AT AN OPPORTUNE TIME AND PRINCIPAL REDUCTION AND INTEREST PAYMENTS. HELENE AND MILTON WANTED TO PLAY THEIR PART WITH HELENE MAKING LAND FALL DAYS BEFORE THE CITY WAS SET TO SELL $230 MILLION IN WEAR AND WASTEWATER AND IDENTIFIED IMPACTS TO THE SYSTEM IN REALTIME AND RELAYED THAT INFORMATION TO THE CITY'S FINANCING TEAM AND THEN SYSTEM NATING THAT INFORMATION TO THE RATING AGENCIES AND THE MARKET AS A WHOLE, MINIMIZING ANY IMPACT ON PRICING. THE CITY'S TEAM IS PRIMARILY LOCAL AND DEAL WITH IMPACT WITH MANY HOMES INCLUDING THOSE OF YOUR UNDERWRITER, FINANCIAL ADVISORS AROUND LAWYERS ALL EXPERIENCING SIGNIFICANT FLOOD AND EVACUATING INDIVIDUAL. WE GOT TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN WITH MILTON MAKING LANDU LANDFALL. AND THE CITY AND ITS TEAM HAD A SUCCESSFUL CLOSING ON OCTOBER 17. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE ABILITY OF THE CITY'S WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM TO BOTH MANAGE THE IMPACT OF BOTH STORMS AND THE ABILITY TO MONITOR THE IMPACTS IN REALTIME STAND IN STARK CONTRAST TO MANY OF THE CITY'S NEIGHBORS AND THE CITY'S FORESIGHT TO INVEST HEAVILY INTO ITS UTILITIES HAD IT IN GOOD STEAD. WELL, THAT ALL LAYS OUT WHERE WE HAVE BEEN, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE AWARE OF SOME OF THE CHALLENGES AHEAD. A GROWING PUSH IN WASHINGTON TO ELIMINATE TAX EXEMPTION. NOT THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE SEEN THIS. IN 2017, THE END RESULT BEING THE LIMITATION OF ADVANCED FUNDINGS WHICH COST THE CITY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. TAX FINANCING HAS BEEN A BOON TO LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND IN PARTICULAR IN TAMPA. IN THE 14th DISTRICT ALONE, $14 BILLION IN OUTSTANDING PRINCIPAL IN LOCAL AND OUTSTANDING TAX RELIEF BOND I DON'T OUT STANDING. WHEN YOU TAKE STATE FUNDED PROJECTS WITHIN THAT DISTRICT, IT RISE TODAY 25 BILLION. THESE PROJECTS ARE ALL ACROSS THE BOARD MANY OF WHICH THE CITY IS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR. I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO HIGHLIGHT THE FACT THAT MANY OF THE CITY'S CURRENT RATES IN ALL OF THE PROJECTION ARE BASED ON THE EXPECTATION OF TAX EXEMPT BORROWING. IF THIS GOES AWAY BORROWING WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE AND REDUCING PROJECT LISTS AND INCREASING RATES TO MEET THOSE INCREASED C COST. TODAY, THE GFOA HAS OPINION LEADING THE IMPACT OF. IT IS NOT ENOUGH. IMPORTANT THAT THE HOUSE AND SENATE UNDER STAND THE VITAL ROLE THAT TAX EXEMPT DEBT FOR THE CONSTITUENTS AND THAT YOU AS ELECTED OFFICIALS GO THROUGH AND MAKE AWARE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE BEING FUNDED HERE LOCALLY THROUGH THOSE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, SIR. AGAIN, HE MENTIONED SOME OF THEM IN BELLNESS, FLEXIBILITY AND EXPERTISE. AND THAT WAS WONDERFUL TIMING FOR OUR THIRD PIPES ISSUANCE AND OF COURSE DARK CLOUDS ON THE HORIZON IN THE EVENT, EXCUSE ME, AT THAT TAX EXEMPT FINDINGS GO AWAY. VERY ADVERSE IMPACT. IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP AGAIN, PLEASE. NOW WE WILL GET INTO OUR CREDIT RATINGS, FINANCING AND BONDING CAPACITY. START FIRST WITH OUR RATINGS. AGAIN, IT IS ALWAYS NICE AND EASY TO SHARE GOOD NEWS. COUNCIL WILL REMEMBER THIS SLIDE I THINK FROM JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO .WE ARE UP SEVEN CREDIT RATING UPGRADE SINCE 2019. AGAIN, I CONGRATULATED COUNCIL THEN. I WILL CONGRATULATE THEM NOW. I WILL REMIND COUNCIL THAT ALL OF THE AAAs YOU SEE THERE CAPITAL As OR SMALLAs ARE THE BEST YOU CAN GET AND WE HAVE QUITE A FEW OF THEM NOW. I SAID WE WERE BREATHING VERY RARE AIR LAST YEAR. WE ARE BREATHING VERY RARE AIR NOW. HOW RARE IS THAT? WELL, THAT TOP LINE, I WILL REMIND COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC, THAT IS THE EQUIVALENT OF OUR FICO. IF I AM DENNIS, MY FICO SCORE WILL BE THAT. JUST ABOUT AS GOOD AS YOU CAN GET. I SAY JUST ABOUT GOOD AS YOU CAN GET. HOT OFF THE PRESSES YOU MAY RECALL, COUNCIL, THAT WE WERE TIED FOR NUMBER TWO IN A COMPARISON OF OUR PEER CITIES LAST YEAR -- YOU SEE HERE. WE ARE NOT NUMBER ONE. WE ARE NOT NUMBER ONE YET. WE ARE NO LONGER TIED. A SOLID SECOND PLACE. INTAKE THAT -- NATIONWIDE. PEER COMPARISON. AND LAST YEAR YOU MAY RECALL -- AND YOU PROBABLY DON'T, AND I DO. MINNEAPOLIS -- PARDON ME -- AND INDIANAPOLIS WERE TIED FOR FIRST PLACE. ARLINGTON HAS DROPPED A NOTCH. WE ARE UP A NOTCH. JUST THE TWO OF US NOW AND WE WILL STAY AT IT. AT THE RISK OF SOUNDING I AM BASHING THESE OTHER CITIES. WANT TO CLARIFY AS I DID LAST YEAR, THESE ARE ALL FANTASTIC CREDIT RATINGS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE CITIES. THEY ARE VERY, VERY FOOD. OURS JUST HAPPEN TO BE VERY, VERY, VERY GOOD. AGAIN, A TEAM EFFORT. THE MAYOR. IT'S COUNCIL. IT IS REVENUE AND FINANCE. MIKE PERRY AND THE PROFESSIONALS THAT I JUST INTRODUCED. WE HAVE A FANTASTIC HISTORY. AND WE HOPE TO IMPROVE UPON IT IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT MINNE MINNEAPOLIS. YOU SEE SOME OF STRONG COMMENTS FROM THE RATING AGENCIES TO THE RIGHT. I WILL REITERATE THEM NOW. STRONG GOVERNANCE. VERY STRONG BUDGET FLEXIBILITY. WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON THAT PROACTIVE RISK MANAGEMENT AND, OF COURSE, OUR BUDGET RESERVES AND OUR EMPHASIS ON FUND BALA BALANCE. JUMP IN NOW TO TOTAL CITY FINANCING. A QUICK REFRESH SINCE THIS IS A COUNTY THAT IS NOT QUITE AS SIMPLE AS TELLING YOU EVERYTHING WE OWE. TWO MAIN CATEGORIES. GOVERNMENTAL DEBT AND ENTERPRISE DEBT AND SUBCATEGORIES AND SUBCATEGORIES WITHIN SUBCATEGORY S I WON'T BEHAVIOR THEM NOW NON-AD VALOREM, CIT AND THE ENTERPRISE DEBT AND WE WILL HIGHLIGHT EACH ONE OF THOSE AS WE GIVE YOU A COMPLETE PICTURE. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE COMPONENTS COMPARED TO EACH OTHER AND THEIR DOLLAR AMOUNTS. WE ARE CONCENTRATING ON PRINCIPLE. WET GET TO INTEREST. ALL TOTALED UNDER $1.4 BILLION IN TOTAL PRINCIPAL ACROSS ALL FUND AS OF THE END OF LAST YEAR. YOU SEE IN THE UPPER LEFT THERE AS OF SEPTEMBER 30, 2024 AS IS OUR STANDARD PRACTICE, WE TYPICALLY TRY TO COINCIDE THIS WITH OUR FINANCIAL STATEMENTS WHICH ALSO END SEPTEMBER 30, 2024. BUT -- AND I WILL HIGHLIGHT THEM AS WE GO ALONE. WE MADE SOME EXCEPTIONS IN THIS PRESENTATION BECAUSE WE WANT TO GIVE COUNCIL UP TO IN INOR UP TO THE WEEK INFORMATION AS TO HOW MUCH WE ARE INDEBTED IN CITY. MOST OF WHAT YOU SEE IN SEPTEMBER 30 WILL TIE UP FINANCIAL STATEMENTS NICE AND CONSISTENT SO ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED CAN FOLLOW. WE SHOWED THIS THANKS YEAR AND I ADMIT A VERY, VERY BUSY SLIDE AND I WON'T GO INTO IT IN DETAIL, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE DRASTIC INCREASE. GREEN LINE IN THE PROPORTION OF OUR DEBT -- OUR PRINCIPAL TO OUR BUDGET. YOU SEE 25 YEARS AGO, OUR PRINCIPAL WAS ABOUT TWICE WHAT OUR BUDGET WAS FOR THE ENTIRELY OF THE CITY. IT STARTED DECREASING YEAR AFTER YEAR AND PRETTY MUCH LEVELED OUT TO THE PERCENTAGES YOU SEE THERE MEANWHILE, THE PURPLE LINE, THE BUDGET HAS INCREASED JUST ABOUT EVERY YEAR. STARTING OFF, YOU SEE IN THE BOBBIC BOXES THERE, AGAIN, OVER TWICE AS MUCH AS THE BUDGET 25 YEARS AGO. SO FROM A MACRO PERSPECTIVE WE LIKE TO DECLINE AND LEVELING OUT. AGAIN, MANY, MANY ISSUES TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. YOU LOOK AT THE UPPER LEFT, ONE OF THOSE SLIDES WHERE WE HAVE INCLUDED ALL OF OUR ISSUANCES AS JANUARY 31, 2025. INCLUDES THE SOLID WASTE ISSUANCE WE DID AFTER SEPTEMBER 30 INCLUDES THAT THIRD PIPE ISSUANCE WE TALKED ABOUT AFTER SEPTEMBER 30. AND AGAIN, UP TO THE MINUTE OR AT LEAST UP TO THE WEEK INFORMATION FOR OUR TOTALITY PRINCIPLE AND INTEREST. YOU KNOW AS WE SAID BEFORE, YOU SHOULDN'T BALK ABOUT DEBT UNTIL YOU TALK OF PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST. $1.6 BILLION IN PRINCIPAL AND 70% OF THAT JUST UNDER $1.2. YOU SEE ON THE LOWER RIGHT THERE 2.7, 2.8 BILLION AS OF JANUARY 31. CONTINUING WITH OUR TOE PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST IN A MACRO PERSPECTIVE. IF YOU LOOK TO THE TOP THERE YOU NOTICE WE ARE BACK MATCHING THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS. YOU SEE A NICE DECLINING AND SMOOTH PICTURE, ACCEPT THAT JUMP IN 2029. AND THAT IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, THE FINAL PAYMENT FOR THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY WHICH IS A NON-AD VALOREM DEBT, PAID FOR BY SOLID WASTE FUNDS. WE INTEND AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED TO ISSUE SEPARATE LODGE TERM DATE UNDER THE SOLID WASTE CROWN GOING FORWARD. SO WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS THAT VERY LARGE LEAP GETS SPREAD OUT IN ORANGE ONCE WITH WE VIEW THAT. WE ARE NOT TALK BEING THAT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THE CURREN SITUATION. OBVIOUSLY A NOTICEABLE ANOMALY DEPENDING ON THE DECLINE. AND A SLIGHT DECLINE ON WHAT WE PLAN BLESS YOU. AND TO TALK OF OUR NON-AD VALOREM FINANCING, MISS CLARK WILL COME UP HERE AND TAKE YOU THROUGH THAT. AND A LITTLE MORE -- AND MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE DETAIL. IF WE CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK UP. >> GOOD MORNING -- GOOD AFTERNOON, MOLLY CLARK, SENIOR MANAGING DIRECTOR WITH PUBLIC ADVISORY GROUP. WE SERVE THE CITY AS GENERAL ADVISOR TO THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT CREDITS AS WELL AS TO THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT. THE PIE CHART ON THIS SLIDE WE ARE HIGHLIGHTING THE CITY'S OUTSTANDING NON-AD VALOREM DEBT APPROXIMATELY 480 MILLION IN OUTSTANDING BOND THAT MAKE UP 35% OF THE CITY'S TOTAL DEBT PORTFOLIO. THIS SLIDE IS SIMILAR TO THE PROCEEDING SLIDE THAT DENNIS SPOKE TO, ALTHOUGH THIS STRIPS OUT THE ENTERPRISE FUND DEBT AND SHOWS ONLY THE NON-AD VALOREM DEBT. YOU CAN SEE NON-AD VALOREM DEBT IS MADE OF FINANCING FOR GOVERNMENT PROJECTS, PARKING, TAMPA SPORTS AUTHORITY, TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX, SOLID WASTE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AS DENNIS SPOKE TO EARLIER, YOU CAN SEE THAT YEAR 2029 IS AN OUTLIER. THE REASON THERE IS THAT A BANK LOAN THAT THE CITY CLOSEDED IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR IS SCHEDULED FOR ALL MATURITY. ALL PRINCIPAL TO MATURE IN 2029. IN FACT THAT PRINCIPAL WILL BE REFINANCED BEFORE IT MATURES. THAT 2029 YEAR, WE WILL NEVER ACTUALLY REACH THAT POINT IN TIME. WE WILL SPREAD IT OUT OVER ACROSS SEVERAL YEARS INTO THE FUTURE BEFORE WE GET TO THE MATURITY DATE. AS THINGS STAND NOW, IN 2025 THROUGH 2028, THE CITY HAS APPROXIMATELY IN THE LOW 40 MILLIONS PER YEAR ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE UNDER THE NON-AD VALOREM CREDIT. 2029 IS SORT OF ITS OWN YEAR THAT WE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THAT DEBT WILL SPREAD FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE BEFORE WE REACH THAT 2029 DATE. AFTER 2029 AT THIS POINT IN TIME, ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE DROPS OFF SIGNIFICANTLY. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THERE, MID-TEENS. MID MILLIONS OF TEENS EACH YEAR THROUGH 2051. OF THIS SLIDE LOOKS AT JUST PRINCIPAL AND WHAT YOUR OUTSTANDING PRINCIPAL FLORIDA 2024 TO 2051 PRINCIPAL DECLINES OVER TIME AND WILL BE PAID OFF WHERE WE STAND FOR TODAY BY 2051. BETWEEN 2024 AND 2029 IS THE SOLID WASTE BANK LOAN THAT WILL BE SPREAD OUT SEVERAL YEARS INTO THE FUTURE AS WE GO FORWARD. AND WITH THAT, I WILL RETURN THE MIC TO DENNIS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, MA'AM. AND YOU CAN SEE A RECURRING EMPHASIS ON EITHER LEVELING OR DECLINES IN OUR OBLIGATIONS. AGAIN, KEEPING CAPACITY, WHICH I WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT -- TALK ABOUT IN A LITTLE BIT OPEN. GOAL A LITTLE BIT OF A DEEPER DIVE INTO A NON-AD VALOREM FROM A CATEGORY AND PROBABLY PERSPECTIVE. BIG PICTURE YOU SEE HERE, FIRE DEPARTMENT, PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECTS, ETC. RIGHT NOW, WE PLAN ON ISSUING THE FIRST COLUMN TO THE LEFT, 2025. LITTLE UN$81 MILLION. WE HAVE SUCCESSIVE I SSSUAISSUA YEARS ONE, TWO AND THREE. BASED ON THE TIMING OF PROJECT, THE APPROVAL OF SOME OF THE PROBLEMS BY CITY COUNCIL. AND THE TIMING OF THE NEED FOR THE MONEY. WE -- WE TYPICALLY AND WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE AVOID BORROWING MONEY, PAYING INTEREST ON IT AND NOT SPENDING IT. WE TIME OUR BORROWING TO COINCIDE WHEN THE FUNDING WILL BE NEEDED. YOU SEE THE MAJOR CATEGORIES THERE AND DRILLING DOWN INTO THE DIFFERENT DEMOCRATS AND, OF COURSE, RIGHT AT THE TOP THERE IS THE FIRE STATION 24. AND THE REST OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SPEAKING OF FIRE STATION 24 RIGHT NOW, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY WILL NEED THE ENTIRETY OF THAT MONEY WHEN WE ISSUE OUR DEBT, PROBABLY AROUND THE SUMMER. PROBABLY 1.8 ON DECK. AND THE $24 MILLION AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE DEPENDING ON PROGRESS. TIMING PROGRESS OF PROJECT. UP SEE THAT CARRY ON SUCCESSIVELY THROUGH EACH FIRE DEPARTMENT PROBABLY. AND YOU WILL SEE IT WITH THE OTHER PROJECTS ALSO. MOVING INTO PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE TPD HOWARD AVENUE PROJECT. AGAIN $4 MILLION. WE ANTICIPATE ASKING COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS YEAR WITH THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY IN A SUCCESSIVE ISSUANCE BASED ON WHEN WE THINK WE WILL NEED THAT FUNDING. OVER TO THE FAR RIGHT, JUST UNDER $45.3 MILLION. I WILL SAY THE ISSUANCE AMOUNTS ARE ON THE HIGH TIDE BY DESIGN. MANY OF THESE PROJECTS ARE ALREADY BEING DONE BASED ON PROJECT APPROVAL. WHETHER THE PROBABLY IN ITS ENTIRELY LIKE THE EAST TAMPA RECREATIONAL COMPLEX OR THE IMPOUND ANNEX FOR TPD WHEREAS, AGAIN, DESIGN SITE IMPROVEMENTS WERE APPROVED THESE ISSUANCE NUMBERS REMAIN A MOVING TARGET BASED ON WHEN THEY WILL NEED THE MONEY AGAIN OR HOW MUCH THEY ARE GOING TO NEED BECAUSE WE HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE ABSOLUTE EXPENSES. PURCHASES AND ENCUMBRANCES THAT MAYBE LEGALLY OUT THE DOOR AND MAY CHANGE AS THE PROBABLY CONTINUES. SO YOU ARE GOING TO SEE THESE AMOUNTS TYPICALLY ON THE HIGH SIDE. WE WOULD RATHER BRING YOU THE HIGHEST SCENARIO AND THEN LOWER IT RATHER THAN -- RATHER THAN THE REVERSE. WHEN WE CAN. CONTINUING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. YOU CAN SEE THE CONVENTION CENTER. YOU HAVE SOME GENERAL GEORGE PROJECTS HANNAH AVENUE RELOCATION OUR PLANNED ISSUANCE BASED ON THE TOTAL COST OF THIS PROJECT AND THE TWO RELATIVELY NEW HOUSING ITEMS THAT COUNCIL APPROVED PRESENTLY FROM BLUE TAMPA TOO AND THE AFLO LCC. I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT IS, BUT $10 MILLION OF HOUSING. I THINK COUNCIL WILL RECALL THAT AS WELL. IT IS RELATIVELY RECENT. WE TALKED ABOUT AND I RECENTLY JUST MENTIONED THE EAST TAMPA RECREATION CENTER. $38 MILLION IS WHAT WE PLAN TO BRING TO CITY COUNCIL THIS SUMMER TO ISSUE WHAT WE THINK WILL BE THE ENTIRETY OF THE DEBT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROJECT. SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. I BELIEVE COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON RECALLED THAT THE AMOUNT OF FUND HAD BEEN INCREASED AND YOU SEE THAT REFLECT HE HAD HERE. $3.6 MILLION AND ANY NUMBER OF ANY PROJECTS AND PARKS AND RECREATION AND MOBILITY. I WILL NOTE THE UNITED ASHLEY PROJECTS THIRD PRESIDENT BOTTOM UNDER MOBILITY PROJECTS. COUNCIL MAY RECALL A PRESENTATION RECENTLY ABOUT THAT PROJECT. COUNCIL CONTINUED IT TO ANOTHER DATE. I ASK COUNCIL TO RECALL THAT THE FUTURE FUNDING WE HAD -- WE HAD -- WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY IN HOW WE GO ABOUT FUNDING THAT. THIS IS JUST ONE POSSIBILITY. WE MENTIONED THE C.I.T. RENEWAL WHICH I WILL SPEAK TO IN JUST A MOMENT. WE ALSO MENTIONED CRA FUNDING. BUT, AGAIN, WE WANT TO GIVE COUNCIL THE HIGHEST DOLLAR AMOUNT ESTIMATES THAT WE CAN SO YOU ARE NOT SURPRISED, AND THE MAYOR IS NOT SURPRISED. I AM NOT SURPRISED WITH INCREASES IN THE FUTURE, AT LEAST AS MUCH AS WE CAN AVOID IT. THE HOUSING PROGRAM FUNDS AGREEMENT. RECENT APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL. MR. MILLER -- STEVE MILLER, OUT BOND COUNSEL, INTRICACIES AND NUANCES ASSOCIATED THIS THAT HE WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO BETTER THAN I. >> THANK YOU, DENNIS. STEVE MILLER WITH NABORS, NICHOLSON. BOND COUNSEL TO THE CITY. IN EX-SLIDE. THE HOUSING FUND LOAN AGREEMENTS. YOU DO THE GO THE IT? OKAY. WE WANTED TO EXPLAIN THIS ONE BECAUSE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT APPROVAL PROCESS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL ASK US TO PARTICIPATE IN DIFFERENT THAN PRIOR APPROVALS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS GIVEN. AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS TRANSACTION WE WILL COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A GENERAL BOND RESOLUTION THAT WILL LOOK SIMILAR TO OTHERS THAT WE HAVE APPROVED IN THE PAST UTILIZING THE COVENANT TO BUDGET AND APPROPRIATE NON-AD VALOREM REVENUE TO PAY THE DEBT FOR LOANS TO THE DEVELOPERS OF THESE PROJECTS. IN THIS CASE THOUGH, ONCE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE GENERAL BOND RESOLUTION. WE SEEK ON THE CITY'S BEHALF A VALUE DAEGS PROCS -- VALIDATION PROCESS. THE CITY HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN A LONG TIME. BUT UNDER FLORIDA LAW, A STATUTORY PROCESS TO TAKE A DEBT ISSUANCE TO THE CIRCUIT COURT IN ORDER TO -- TO IDENTIFY -- IF YOU HAVE A LEGAL ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT YOU NEED SOME CLARIFICATION FROM COURT AND THEIR APPROVAL, YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE COURT AND GET THEIR BLESSING AND DETERMINATION ABOUT ANY PARTICULAR LEGAL ISSUES YOU MAY HAVE. WE HAVE A LEGAL ISSUE WITH REGARD TO THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEBT THAT WE PROPOSE TO DO TO PROVIDE LOANS TO THESE DEVELOPERS. IT IS A VERY -- IT IS A FAIRLY SIMPLE LEGAL ISSUE BUT ONCE WE RECOMMENDED THAT WE GO TO THE COURT AND GET THEIR BLESSING FOR. IT WILL PREVENT NIL LEGAL CHALLENGES TO THE DEBT ONCE IT IS ISSUED. UNDER FLORIDA LAW, WHEN THE CITY OR ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUES DEBT FOR A GENERAL GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSE, WHETHER IT IS ROADS, WATER SEWER SYSTEMS, SOLID WASTE. SOMETHING THAT IS A GENERAL PROJECT, THE STANDARD IS, THAT HAS GOT TO MEET. GOT TO BE A PUBLIC PURPOSE FOR THE PROJECT. UP ISSUE DEBT AND USE THE CITY'S CREDIT FOR A PROBABLY WHERE A PRIVATE ENTITY IS GOING TO DERIVE MORE THAN AN UNSUBSTANTIAL BENEFIT, THEN THE STANDARD IS NOT A PUBLIC PURPOSE BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE HAVE A PARAMOUNT. THE FAMOUS VALUE OCCASION DAYS WHEN FORMER MAYOR POE CHALLENGED ORIGINAL RAY MAN AND JAMES STADIUM BACK IN '90s OF DOING THOSE BONDS. THAT VALIDATION CASE WENT TO THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT THAT DID DETERMINE THAT THE BUILDING OF THE STADIUM DID CONSTITUTE A GOVERNMENT PURPOSE. BECAUSE THE DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS OF THIS PROJECT WILL BE GETTING MORE THAN SUBSTANTIAL BENEFIT FROM YOU ALL ISSUING DEBT AND LOANING THOSE PROCEED, WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT WE SHOULD GO TO THE SECTOR COURT FOR THAT PROCESS. SO IT TAKES A COUPLE OF MONTHS, TWO TO THREE MONTHS TO GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS. ONCE THAT VALIDATION IS SUCCESSFULLY SOUGHT, THE CITY WILL GO THROUGH ITS NORMAL RFP TO GET A BAKE LOAN FACILITY FOR THE LOAN AGREEMENTS AND COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL WITH ALL SPECIFICS LIKE WE USUALLY HAVE WITH THE TRANSITION DETAILS, WHAT THE BANK FACILITY, TERMS AND INTEREST RATES AND SUCH TO BE ASKED TO APPROVE THE TRANSACTION AFTER THE VALUETATION AND GO THROUGH THE NORMAL TRANSACTION PROCESS AND FINAL LIES AND CLOSE IT. I WANT TO EXPLAIN IT BECAUSE IT WILL BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, SIR. SIMPLE. I HAVE KNOW WE ARE THROWING A LOT OF DETAILED INFORMATION AND A METHOD TO OUR MADNESS THAT WE WILL EXPLAIN IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. UPCOMING POTENTIAL FINANCING. AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS SLIDES AND CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS OUR PLAN AT THIS TIME. I REMIND COUNCIL JUST LIKE THE EMERGENCY, PLANS CHANGE. AND THIS MAY ALSO CHANGE ALSO. I WILL TOUCH ON THAT IN A MOMENT. THE NEXT MAJOR STEP IS TO BRING YOU DEBT ISSUANCE FOR THOSE PROJECTS AND A LITTLE BIT MORE. WHY A LITTLE BIT MORE? SHOULD COUNCIL APPROVE PROJECTS, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO START WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL KNOWS NOW WEATHER THEY WANT TO ISSUE DEBT OR NOT. AS COUNCIL WILL REMEMBER, THAT IS WHAT REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTIONS ARE FOR. COUNCIL APPROVES REIMBURSEMENT FOR PROJECT A, WE CAN START WORKING ON PROJECT A AND SPEND MONEY ON PROJECTA. DOES NOT OBLIGATE COUNCIL. IF WE ISSUE DEBT, PAY OURSELVES BACK FOR THE FUNDING WE ARE SPENDING ALL IN AN ATTEMPT TO EXPEDITE PROJECTS INSTEAD OF WAITING ON THE FINANCING. WE HAVE DONE IT BEFORE. I THINK WE WILL DO IT AGAIN AND PREFT MUCH THE NEXT STEP. LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT BARRING ANY CHANGES AND WE WILL SPEAK TO THAT IN A MOMENT THIS SUMMER. THIS A LITTLE REDUNDANT AND DUPLICATIVE. BUT YOU SEE A TOTAL ON BOTTOM WITH THE PROJECT THAT COUNCIL MAY DECIDE TO FUND WITH DEBT, AND MAY NOT. NOW I AM GOING TO ASK MISS DLOOSHG COME BACK WITH THE POTENTIAL FUTURE FINANCING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN WE PAUSE FOR A MOMENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY HAVE A LONG STUFF. >>DENNIS ROGERO: A GREAT DEAL OF INFORMATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: STILL 19 MORE SLIDES. LET'S JUST WAIT TO THE END. AARON RODGERS AGAIN. JUST TO SET THE TABLE. EVERYTHING WE SHARE WITH YOU IS WHAT ALREADY HAS OCCURRED AND WHAT WE PLAN ON DOING FROM A PROJECT DOLLARS AND CENTS. LITTLE MORE OF A DETAILED PREBLG THAT MISS CLARK WILL SHARE FROM A MACRO PERSPECTIVE WHAT THE EXISTING PLAN IS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WILL TAKE. JUST TELL ME NEXT SLIDE. >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION TO EXTEND TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOT YET, HOW MANY DO YOU WANT TO EXTEND. >> MOLLY CLARK. THIS SLIDE PRESENTS WHAT THE DEBT SERVICE PICTURE WILL LOOK LIKE AFTER THE ISSUANCE OF THE PERSPECTIVE DEBT ISSUES. WE WILL TAKE THE DEBT SERVICE THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE INTO ACCOUNT AND STRUCTURE THE NEW DEBT SERVICE AROUND THE EXISTING DEBT SERVICE SO YOU ARE PAYING AN OVERALL APPROXIMATELY LEVEL AMOUNT OF DEBT SERVICE IN EACH YEAR GOING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE. YOU CAN SEE WE REACHED 2055. WE ARE -- WE ARE AT A PLATEAU GENERALLY. AN THEN 56, 57 AN 58 SORT OF TRAIL OFF. THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT EACH OF THE FUTURE ISSUES WE ARE LOOKING AT WILL BE MOST LIKELY STRUCTURED AS A 30-YEAR DEAL. SO YOUR ISSUANCE IN 2026 WILL SEE ITS FINAL MATURITY IN 2056. 2027 WILL MATURE IN 2057 AND 2028 WILL MATURE IN 2058. AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN TIME, YOUR SET SERVICE STRUCTURE TRAILS OFF AS YOU SEE HERE IN THIS SLIDE. NEXT SLIDE. AGAIN, HERE, THIS -- THIS INCLUDES THE -- THE LARGE PAYMENT YOU CAN SEE IN 2029, AGAIN, THAT WILL GO AWAY, BUT THIS TAKES -- THIS IS, AGAIN, ALL OF THE NORTHERN AD VALOREM AT THE TIME SERVICE SHOWN OUT THROUGH THE 30-YEAR PERIOD. AARON RODGERS IF I CAN POSTSCRIPT THAT, UPPER RIGHT, TOTAL PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST ACCORDING TO THIS PLAN, JUST UNDER $1.29 MILLION -- OR $1.29 BILLION. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND THIS IS WHAT I HOPE TO BE THE METHOD TO OUR MADNESS. THIS IS WHY YOU HEAR ME TALKING ABOUT PLANS AND PLANS CHANGE. WE HAVE A PLAN, AGAIN, I SAID IT BEFORE LIKE TO SCUBA DIVE. YOU PLAN TO DIVE AN DIVE THE PLAN. DOESN'T MEAN THE PLAN CAN'T CHANGE. AND THIS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO CHANGE THE PLAN DRASTICALLY. AGAIN, WE ARE VERY, VERY FORTUNATE. CIT WAS RENEWED ON -- LAST YEAR, YEAR BEFORE -- ANYWAY, BUT IT STARTS DECEMBER 1. LITTLE LESS THAN TWO YEARS AND GOING TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU KNOW IT. YOU SEE SOME OF THE ITEMS THERE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION PASSAGE OF IT. WE MAY PLEDGE THAT REVENUE FOR DEBT. YOU SEE THE CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED THERE. I WON'T READ THROUGH IT. WE MAY INCLUDE THESE REVENUES IN A NON-AD VALOREM DEBT ISSUANCE JUST AS WE HAVE DONE WITH SOLID WASTE. YOU SEE THE DISTRIBUTION. IT IS WELL KNOWN. AND NOW WE WILL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. AND HERE IS WHY. OVER TO THE FAR RIGHT BOTTOM, YOU CRA OVER THE COURSE OF FIVE YEARS, NOT FIVE FULL YEARS BECAUSE WE WILL ONLY GET TEN MONTHS IN THE FIRST YEAR, OVER $ 00 MILLION IS AMENDED TO BE RECEIVED. YOU SEE, AGAIN, THE CATEGORY PUBLIC SAFETY, TRANSPORTATION, ETC. WHAT THIS WILL PROVIDE THE MAYOR, WHAT THIS WILL PROVIDE THE CITY COUNCIL, WHAT THIS WILL PROVIDE THE CITY IS A GREAT DEAL OF FLEXIBILITY IN WHETHER COUNCIL WANTS TO APPROVE ALL OR PORTIONS OF THE DEBT PLAN WE JUST PRESENTED TO YOU. WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH THE CIT RENEWAL. SO IT IS NOT PART OF OUR PLAN. MAYBE WE DON'T FINANCE AS MUCH. MAYBE WE PAY GO MANY OF THOSE PROBLEMS. MAYBE WE DO A COMBINATION OF BOTH, SIMILAR TO OUR PIPES PROGRAM. SO WE RUSHED THROUGH THE INFORMATION A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I FULLY ANTICIPATE THE PLAN TO CHANGE. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN FOR GUIDANCE TO TAKE ACTIONS NECESSARY AND PREPARATION OF THE BUDGET AND TO TAKE ACTIONS NECESSARY IN PREPARATION OF A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR YOUR REVIEW. WHAT I ANTICIPATE -- AND OF COURSE IT IS COUNCIL'S DISCRETION, IS MUCH MORE DISCUSSION ON WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. AND HOW WE WANT TO SAL KATE THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX FUNDING. FORTUNATELY, AGAIN, WE ARE NOT DID FOR ANY ACTIONS BY COUNCIL TODAY. FORTUNATELY BUDGET PREPARATION PROCESS IS STARTING FOR FISCAL YEAR '26. I THINK WE HAVE AMPLE TIME TO DISCUSS IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE GOING TO HOLD QUESTIONS UNTIL THE END. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT CIP TAXES WHAT IT IS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 16 MORE SLIDES. >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE CAN ELAB ELABORATE AT THE END. MR. REID TO WALK BLEW THE WATER AND WASTEWATER CURRENT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A CITY COUNCIL RULE THAT SAYS WE SHOULD HAVE BREAKS IN THE PRESENTATION TO ALLOW FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. TRANSITING TO THE WASTEWATER FINANCING, THIS WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT QUESTION TO BREAK FOR QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU GOT TO THE MICROPHONE FIRST AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO I HAVE A QUESTION. AARON RODGERS YES, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS CITY COUNCIL VOTES NO ON A DEBT ISSUANCE THAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AARON RODGERS COUPLE OF THINGS. IF IT WAS -- MANY OF THEM -- AND A CONTRACT WAS LET AND THIS MONEY WAS SPENT, I WOULD DEFER TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HOW MUCH OF AN OBLIGATION WE HAVE. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, ACTUAL EXPENSES. MONEY OUT THE DOOR. WE WILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH MONEY FROM SOME PLACE. MISS COPESKY WAS NICE ENOUGH. THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR ALL YOUR ASSISTANCE TO SEND COUNCIL A REFRESHER REMAINING THEM WE HAVE ABOUT $55 MILLION OF OBLIGATION FOR PROBLEMS BASED ON FUTURE DEBT ISSUANCE AN REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION. I HOPE THAT WASN'T TOO LONG-WINDED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A SPECIFIC PROJECTS I VOTED YES FOR AND WOULDN'T FOR BONDING. I VOTE NO FOR IT AND THREE OTHER PEOPLE VOTE NO ON BONDING, THAT MEANS WE WILL HAVE TO FIND THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR AND NEXT FISCAL YEAR HAS TO FIND THAT FUNDING IN THAT BUDGET. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OBLIGATION STILL EXISTS. METHOD OF BUDGETING OUT OF OUR OWN HIDE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YOU SUMMED IT UP BETTER THAN I DID. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO CLARIFY BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS COMING UP. >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE DO CLENDENIN CLENDENIN QUESTIONS OF DEBT ISSUANCE AND TAKING IT TO COURT -- >>DENNIS ROGERO: STORY, DEBT ISSUANCE AND WHAT? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TAKING TO COURT ON THE HOUSING ISSUE. MAYBE YOUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT -- >>DENNIS ROGERO: PRETTY HAPPY TO HAND IT OVER TO HIM AND HAPPY TO TAKE THE QUESTION CLEAN CLENDENIN IS THERE PRECEDENCE OF A MUNICIPALITY BORROWING MONEY AND USING DEBT TO SUBSIDIZE FOR-PROFIT DEVELOPERS? >> THERE IS PRECEDENT FOR THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING TYPE STRUCTURE THAT YOU IT -- THAT YOU GUYS ARE IN RIGHT NOW. THERE IS PRECEDENT IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT HAS PASSED. >> YES. THE WAY THE VALIDATION WORKS, IT IS CIVIC-SPECIFIC. -- CIRCUIT-ER. >> SPECIFIC. UNLESS IT IS SOMETHING OF THE SUPREME COURT. IT IS DEBT SPECIFIC. YOU HAVE SOMETHING APPROVED IT IS FOR THAT DEBT AND THAT DEBT ONLY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVER BEEN ELEVATED TO THE FLORIDA U.S. SUPREME COURT? >> OF THE HOUSING FRONT, IT HAS NOT BUT BEEN DONE IN SOUTH FLORIDA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MIRANDA, HURTAK, CARLSON. YOU ARE GOOD. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT -- >> PUT YOUR MIC ON. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOUR MICROPHONE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT IS A COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX FOR ANY NUMBER OF PROJECTS. IT EXISTS NOW. THE EXISTING COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX SUNSETS IN JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS. THE IDEA FOR THE RENEWAL OF SAID TAX WAS SURFACED AS A REFERENDUM THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PUBLIC AND TAKE EFFECT -- I THINK YOU SAW DECEMBER 1, 2026 OR '27. AGAIN, THE GOOD NEWS IS, IT STANDS TO PROVIDE US WITH A GREAT DEAL OF REVENUE GOING FORWARD. IT IS A 15-YEAR TAX, IN CONTRAST TO THE CURRENT 30-YEAR TAX. BUT THE FUNDING DOESN'T START FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, CARLSON. >>LYNN HURTAK: GOING BACK TO -- TO THE LEAD IS THAT TALKS ABOUT TAXABLE BOND AND THE POSSIBILITY OF TAXABLE BONDS. WHEN DO WE THINK WE WILL HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT? AARON RODGERS THAT IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. AGAIN I WILL TURN TO THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT. >> IT IS LIKELY TO BE HANDLED IN SESSION THIS YEAR. MAY COME UP AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT IS THROUGH MUCH OF THE COST SAVINGS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS GOING THROUGH AND TRYING TO REALIZE ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT IS ON TABLE IS THE ELIMINATION OF TAX EXEMPT ITEMS. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU ARE TALKING OF FEDERAL LEGISLATION. >> YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT I -- BUT REALLY NO, LIKE, SESSION PER SE. THEY GO ALL YEAR. WHAT IS A PREDICTABLE -- WOULD WE KNOW MAYBE BY THE SUMMER? OR IS THIS JUST GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE THING THAT IS JUST DRAWN OUT AND THREATENED FOR AGES. >> WE WOULD THINK SUMMER OR FALL WE WILL HAVE A GOOD SENSE IF IT IS GOING TO BE A NEAR-TERM PROBLEM OR SOMETHING THAT WILL COME BACK. AS I SAID BEFORE, IT CAME BACK -- IT CAME UP IN 2017. AND IT HAS BEEN DORMANT UNTIL NOW AND COME BACK. LIKELY EVEN IF IT IS FOUGHT BACK, IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT MAY COME UP IN THE FUTURE AS WELL. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. THANK YOU. I AM GOING TO MOVE ON. SLIDE 18. I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AGAIN. THAT IS $2.8 BILLION OF DEBT. THAT JUST MAKES MY SKIN CRAWL. OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM NUMBER 27 -- SLIDE NUMBER 27. SHOW SLIDE NUMBER 27. >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK UP, PLEASE. >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH. SO -- >>DENNIS ROGERO: THERE WE ARE. >>LYNN HURTAK: GOING BACK TO UNITED ASHLEY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE -- WE SENT AN -- AN E-MAIL TO YOU EARLIER THIS WEEK TO ASK IF THIS IS AN -- IF THIS IS MONEY THAT HAS BEEN RECEIVED. AN YOU SAID THAT, NO, IT IS NOT BEEN RECEIVED. >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT HAS NOT. >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS REIMBURSABLE. CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT? YOUR E-MAIL SAID THE GRANT IS REIMBURSABLE AND THE CITY MUST HAVE VALID EXPENDITURES PRIOR TO SUBMITTING A REQUEST. CAN YOU EXPAND ON THAT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM. REIMBURSE REASONABLE GRANT. MANY ARE REIMBURSABLE. GRANTOR WANTS TO SEE ACTION BEFORE THEY ARE GOING TO FUND FELL IN THE BLANK. A PERFECT EXAMPLE. WE NEED DEFINITIVE AND DEFENSIBLE EXPENSES UNTIL THEY PAY US BACK FOR WHAT WE ALREADY SPENT. AS YOU SAID, WE HAVE NO FUNDING RIGHT NOW. >>LYNN HU >>LYNN HURTAK: AND WE HAVE NO -- WE CAN'T DEPEND ON GETTING REIMBURSED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NOW, BUT ADDITIONALLY I AM CONFUSED, BECAUSE WHEN I LOOKED AT THE FUNDING THAT I BROUGHT UP LAST WEEK, THE FEDERAL GRANT IS $5.3 MILLION. AND THEN THE CIT SERIES OF BONDS BACK FROM 2016 ARE $4.7 MILLION. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: AN ATOUCHING THAT YOU WILL GET CRA FUNDS WHICH IS -- ASSUMPTION YOU WILL GET CRA FUNDS THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THIS. BUT THE FUTURE DEBT, MOBILITY FEES AND OR CIT RENEWALS WAS $3.94 MILLION. I'M NOT FEET SURE HOW YOU ARE GET THE $5.8 MILLION HERE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I THINK WE ARE HEDGING OUT BET. WE DISCUSS IT LAST TIME AND OFFERING WERE FUNDING SCENARIOS. AGAIN, THERE REMAINS A LOT FLEXIBILITY, WE IS A GOOD THEY THINK, BURR A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO CHART A DEFENSIVE COURSE. WE ARE HEDGING OUR BETS. YOU GAVE A PERFECT EXAMPLE IF THE CRA BOARD DOESN'T WANT TO AND DES APPROVE FROM THE CRA OR A LOWER AMOUNT WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK FOR FUNNELING SOURCES. GOOD EYE, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS ONE WE ARE GOING TO STICK WITH BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT RIGHT NOW. AND THE OTHER THING THAT I JUST THINK IS INTERESTING AS WELL IS PAGE 35 THE CIT RENEWAL PROJ PROJECTIONS. HOW -- HOW CONSERVATIVE ARE THESE PROJECTIONS? >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. AND THE PROJECTIONS ARE BASED ON ANY NUMBER OF INPUTS FROM ANY NUMBER OF EXPERTS. IF MEMORY SERVES A LITTLE UNDER $800 MILLION OVER THE COURSE OF THAT 15 YEARS. WHAT IT WILL DEPEND UPON, OF COURSE, IS THE GROWTH OR CHANGE IN THE SALES TAX. I WOULD CALL THESE -- I WON'T CALL THESE ULTRA CONSERVATIVE PROJECTIONS BUT I WOULDN'T CALL THEM OVERLY LIBERAL. I WOULD CALL THEM UNKNOWN. AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE EVASIVE BUT BEST GUESS THE EXPERTS HAVE AT THIS TIME. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, THANK YOU. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM. MANISCALCO MANISCALCO CARLSON AND MIRANDA. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN AV PUT UP SLIDE 17, PLEASE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: SLIDE 17, YES, SIR. >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK WE SHOULD BLOW THIS UP EIGHT BY TEN FEET AND PUT IT ON THE WALL AND ON THE SIDE AND THE HALLWAY AND EVERYWHERE ELSE. THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT SLIDE. THANK YOU, DENNIS, TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER AARON RODGERS YES. >>BILL CARLSON: FIRST QUESTION ON THE FAR LEFT, 2000. THAT WAS, WHAT, GRECO ADMINISTRATION? >>DENNIS ROGERO: BEFORE MY TIME. YES. CHARLESTON CHARLES SHOWS $1 BILLION IN DEBT AND 212% OF REVENUES. DO WE KNOW WHERE THIS DEBT ORIGINATE. HOW FAR BACK IT WENT BEYOND THAT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DO NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WE CAN CIRCLE BACK. >>BILL CARLSON: INTERESTING TO KNOW -- DEBT TIED TO IT THE CIT WHICH WAS '98. I WONDER THIS DEBT PROCEEDED THAT. I KNOW AT ONE POINT, CHARLIE TALKS ABOUT THE -- ABOUT THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND STATE-OF-THE-ART -- I THINK THAT WAS $100 MILLION. BIG ITEMS BACK THEN. BUT JUST CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THEY INVESTED IN. IF WE ARE GOING TO COMPARE THE PAST TO THE FUTURE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU CARLSON CARL I WONDER IF YOU HAVE THREE EX-PEPERTS. I LOOKED AT THEIR BACKGROUND. HOLLY CLARK, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? AND MAYBE THE OTHERS CAN JUMP IN ALSO. BUT I HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE WHO USED TO WORK AT THE RATING AGENCIES. THEY TOLD /* THEY TOLD ME EVEN THOUGH OUR RATINGS ARE GREAT NOW, BUT TO ME THE THING IS NOT TO PRAISE THE RATINGS THE WAY THEY ARE NOW. ONCE YOU ARE ON TOP, WHICH YOU ARE, THE PROBLEM IS HOW DO YOU STAY UP THERE. SO I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY MANY FINANCIAL PEOPLE AND PEOPLE WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT OUR DEBT RAY SHOTIO IS REALLY HIGH. WE ARE SEEING 78 TO 89% OF REVENUES. BUT WHEN YOU ADD -- WHEN YOU ADD THE -- -- DON'T SWITCH SLIDES PLEASE, ON PAGE 24 ADDING ANOTHER LDZ 349 MILLION OF DEBT. AT $1.9 -- $ONE BILLION, 970 MILLION IN DEBT. THIS YEAR'S REVENUE -- WILL BE EQUAL TO THIS YEAR'S REVENUE. AT WHAT POINT DOES THE BOND RATING AGENCIES SAY YOU ALL HAVE TOO MUCH DEBT. AND I WONDER WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE. I SEE YOUR ORGANIZATION IS IN SEVERAL STATES. MAJOR -- NOT SMALLER ONES, BUT MAJOR MUNICIPALITIES. HOW OFTEN IT TO THE DEBT-TO-REVENUE RATIO IS ONE TO ONE OR ABOVE 100%? >> I WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION, BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU GENERALLY, EACH OF RATING AGENCIES TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH. EACH HAVE THEIR OWN APPROACH AN GENEVIEVEAG GENERALLY THEY LOOK AT THE. IT IS A VERY -- A CRITICAL PORTION; HOW FAR, IT IS NOT THE ONLY POURING OF EAST ITS METRICS THAT GO TO OVERALL EVALUATION THAT GENERATES A RATING BEING ASSIGNED BY EACH OF THE AGENCIES. DEMOGRAPHICS ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, BUDGET, DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THE ISSUER, OF THE CITY, THE COUNTY, THE STATE, SO DEBT -- DEBT LEVELS WILL FLUCTUATE WITH EACH ISSUER, AS WILL BUDGET AND DEMOGRAPHICS. EACH OF THE AGENCIES TAKES A HOLISTIC LOOK AND LOOKS AT DIFFERENT COMPONENTS AND COMES OUT WITH THE RATINGS THAT WAY. >>BILL CARLSON: DENNIS, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. IDEALLY TO ASK THE RATING AGENCIES AND ASK OUR CONSULTANTS TO COME BACK AT SOME POINT AND TELL US WHAT ARE THE BRIGHT LINES. WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE CAN'T GO OVER. WE KNOW WE HAVE BEEN -- WE ARE KIND OF MANDATED TO HAVE A 20% RESERVE. HOVERING ON 23% TO 25%. 3% TO 5% IS THE REAL RAINY DAY AND CAN'T GO BELOW 20 BECAUSE WILL CHANGE OUR RATES. I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE BRIGHT LINES ARE. FROM EVERYTHING WE HAVE. TOLD BY OTHERS, WE SHOULDN'T PALS ONE-TO-ONE RATIO OF DEBT TO REVENUES WHICH I THINK WE ARE GOING TO PASS NO MATTER WHAT. I THINK THAT THAT IS WAY BEYOND WHAT MOST PEOPLE THINK THAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD DO. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INTEREST ALL OF THESE THE INTEREST IS NOT 100%. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INTEREST ANY CHANCE TO PAY GO IS DEFINITELY BETTER. START TALKING OF THE CIT COMMUNITY INVESTMENT AT THAT POINT REUP. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE ASPEN HILLING THE MONEY BEYOND OUR TERMS. DECEMBER 2026 NEW CITY COUNCIL TAKES OVER IN MAY JUST FIVE, SIX MONTHS LATER. KNOW THERE ARE SOME LAWS OF OBLIGATING A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL OR MAYOR, BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE BONDING ALL OF THAT IN THE FUTURE. WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE ORIGINAL CIT AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION LIMITED IT TO 15 YEARS THIS TIME. LAST QUESTION. IF WE FIND MORE FAVORABLE RATES IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, WHAT IS THE COST OF REFINANCING IT AS A BIG BUCKET OR IN BIG BUCKETS TO GET MORE FAVORABLE RATES? TRANSACTION TOO HIGH? >> ON A TRANSACTION BY TRANSACTION BASIS. EACH TIME YOU ISSUE DEBT AND DECISION IS MADE. HOW IT CALLABLE IN THE FUTURE. IS IT CALLABLE. THE CITY HAS ISSUED NONCALLABLE DEBT MEANING DIFFICULT OR EXPENSIVE AND WOULDN'T HAVE THE OPTION TO REFINANCE THAT DEBT. TYPICALLY TAX EXEMPT BOND ARE ISSUED WITH A TEN-YEAR CALL. MEANING IN TEN YEARS, YOU CAN REFINANCE THAT DEBT. AND, AGAIN, GIVEN THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT 30-YEAR DEALS. AFTER TEN YEARS, YOU ARE MOST OFTEN GOING TO HAVE SAVINGS BECAUSE 20-YEAR HORIZON TO THE FINAL MATURITY DATE. WE ANALYZE ALL OF IT ON A TRANS ACTION BY TRANSACTION BASIS. AND ON AN ONGOING BASIS. JERRY FORD AN HIS TEAM LOOKS AT ALL THE WATER AND SEWER DEBT. OUR TEAM LOOKS AT THE GOVERNMENTAL AND SOLID WASTE DEBT TO SEE IF THERE IS SOLID WASTE OPPORTUNITIES. WHEN THERE ARE, WE NOTIFY YOUR STAFF. AND -- TO THE EXTENT THOSE ARE LARGE ENOUGH TRANSACTIONS WHERE WE CAN COMBINE OR REFUND THE EXISTING DEBT WITH THE NEW MONEY PROJECT. WE DO THAT AND THE CITY HAS BEEN VERY GOOD OF STAVING ON TOP OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE SOME -- LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS AND PAGE 34 IN THE CIT. THAT WAS HISTORY THAT WAS TAKEN -- PASSED BY A COUPLE POINTS. THAT IS YESTERDAY'S NEWSN HOWEVER, LOOK AT CIT PUBLIC SAFETY. 99% OF SOMETHING. WHAT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GETTING BACK? THE QUESTION IN MY MIND IS, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T COLLECT ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY THE CIT TAX ON THE BONDINGS . WEL ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. BOND IT OUT AND GIVE THE MONEY AWAY TO TWO ENTITIES. MAINLY THAT IS WHAT IT IS. THIS IS OUR SHARE. WHAT IS OUR SHARE MEAN ON AT THAT -- ON THAT MULTI26 BARB I MEAN 15 YE-- OF THE HALF PERCEN HALF A PENNY. I DIDN'T KNOW PENNIES MAKE THAT MUCH MONEY. YOU GET ONE PENNY AND DOUBLE IT EVERY 30 -- HE DAY 30 DAYS, A MILLION DOLLARS IN CASH. YOU GET PENNY AND DOUBLE IT FOR 30 DAY, YOU GET MORE MONEY THAN IF YOU GIVE ME A MILLION DOLLARS. A MATHEMATICAL FACT. WHAT AUTOMATIC LOOKING AT, WHAT IS THAT FOR YOU CAN LEG, PUBLIC SAFETY, MOBILITY, PARKS AND RECREATION AND WHATEVER PUBLIC FACILITY. DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN WALK IN ANY STADIUM WITHOUT PAYING. PUBLIC FACILITY THIS WAY AND WAY IT WAS PUT ON BALLOT. THE BALLOT WAS FOR THEM AND THIS IS WHAT WE GET, 21%. I UNDERSTAND. WHAT HE DON'T UNDERSTAND AND NOT COMPRE COMPREHENDING, WHAT DO WE GET IF NOT BOND IT OUT AND DON'T ENOUGH TAX TO PAY THE BOND? >>DENNIS ROGERO: ANSWER THAT IN SEGMENTS. TO REITERATE A POINT. ABOUT UNDER. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CAN WE NOT BOND AND PAY THE TAX WHAT WE COLLECT TO THEENT TIES. I WANT TO PAY THEM. PUBLIC VOTED FOR THAT. CAN WE DO THAT WITHOUT BONDING. >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE CAN. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHY ARE WE BONDING. >>DENNIS ROGERO: ITS REASONS YOU WANT TO BOND ANYTHING. GENERALLY IF YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH BIG THINGS SOON SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAVE UP THE MONEY. PIPES -- THE PIPES PROGRAM IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. YOU NOTICE. THERE ARE OTHER REASONS, BUT GENERALLY WHY YOU WOULD BOND IT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAKE SURE MY HEAD IS A LITTLE CLEARER THAN BEFORE I ASKED THE QUESTION. WE CAN DO IT. COLLECT THE MONEY. DISTRIBUTE IT TO THEM ON A MONTHLY, BIMONTHLY OR WHATEVER THREE MONTHS. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE BOND IT, GIVE THE MONEY AWAY RIGHT NOW? I DON'T KNOW. >> WE WILL OWE WHATEVER WE ARE GOING TO OWE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT DOUBTING THAT. >> IF COUNCIL DECIDES TO BOND THIS FUNDING. IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY WE WILL BOND THIS -- WE WILL DO A NON-AD VALOREM BOND AND ONE OF THE METHODS OF REPAYMENT. FROM THAT FUNDING WE WILL PAY THE BILLS, FROM THE AMALIE ARENA OR FROM RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WILL YOU SAVE A LOT MONEY IF YOU DON'T BOND? >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES. YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. WE TYPICALLY FINISH OUR WORKSHOPS AT 1:00. AND WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE ASKING ABOUT LUNCH WHEN WE BREAK. WE HAVE A 5 D 01 P.M. MEETING TONIGHT. YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A PROPOSITION FOR ITEM NUMBER 3, WHICH IS TALKING ABOUT THE EXTRA FUNDING FROM FY 24. A LOT OF I BELIEVE OUR CONVERSATION HAS TOO DO WITH STORMWATER. NEXT WEEK WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ABOUT STORMWATER. IF IT IS OKAY WITH YOU ALL, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO MOVE THIS -- THAT ITEM TO NEXT THURSDAY KNOWING THAT IT WILL BE A BIT OF A LONGER DAY, BUT I AM -- I THINK -- WE CAN NOT PUSH IT ANY FURTHER BECAUSE WE NEED TO MOVE SOME OF THAT MONEY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN BLEND IT IN. >>LYNN HURTAK: MOVE ITEM NUMBER 3 FILE NUMBERCM 24-58 TO STAFF REPORTS AND UNFINISHED HIS WHICH WILL REQUIRE US TO WAIVE OUR RULES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT IS IT FINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOTION TO WAIVE THE RULES. >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I SECOND HERS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO CONTINUE AND ADD ITEM NUMBER 3 TO THAT STAFF REPORT AS YOU MENTIONED FOR THAT DISCUSSION. >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST AFTER IT. BECAUSE TECHCALLY TWO SEPARATE DISCUSSIONS. THIS WILL BE A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT SEVERAL OF US HAVE TALKED ABOUT AND -- SPENDING SOME OF THE EXTRA MONEY ON STORMWATER. SO A NATURAL PROGRESSION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS FINE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: REMAINING ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A MOTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TAKE THIS MOTION. JUST FOR ITEM 3. A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER MOTIONS, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK? >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE ANOTHER ONE. I HAVE THE COUNCIL SALARY DISCUSSION. AND I AM HAPPY TO MOVE THAT TO DOCTOR I BELIEVE IT IS MAY -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>LYNN HURTAK: APRIL WORKSHOP, APRIL 2024 WORKSHOP. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE NEED THE DISCUSSION OR A MOOT POINT? >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T KNOW. THAT IS WHY I WANTED TO ASK. SUPPOSEDLY NOW TIED TO ATU BUT DO WE WANT TO DO THAT? WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. AND A CONVERSATION WORTH HAVING. LET'S MOVE IT TO MAY'S WORKSHOP WHICH IS 22nd. MAY 22nd. >>LUIS VIERA: MAKER THE MOTION, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. IN MEANWHILE IF WE NEED TO HAVE IT, WE CAN PULL IT. BUT MOVE IT FOR NOW. >>LYNN HURTAK: FILE NUMBER CM 2 24-2658. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO MOVE ITEM 7 TO THE MAY WORKSHOP. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I SAY FOR ANYBODY WATCHING, MR. CHAIR. THAT ITEM WAS NOT ABOUT OUR COUNCIL, IT IS ABOUT THE COUNCIL STARTING MAY 1, 2027. A FUTURE COUNCIL, NOT OURS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I SECONDED IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. CHAIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE COUNCIL'S PERMISSION TO WORK WITH -- FOR ITEM NUMBER 5. ATTORNEY MORRIS MASSEY SUBMITTED A REPORT. THE AMOUNT WAS FOR STAFF TO PRESENT A DRAFT ORDINANCE. THAT WAS JUST A REPORT. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HAVE THIS COUNCIL'S PERMISSION TO HAVE MYSELF WORK WITH ATTORNEY MASSEY TO WORK ON A DRAFT ORDINANCE TO BE PRESENTED -- BECAUSE SOME ISSUES THAT I THINK I HAD WITH IT -- TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL ON MAY 15. >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE DISCUSSION FOR TODAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOVE ITEMS NUMBER 5 FROM TODAY'S DISCUSSION. >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 6 TO MAY 22. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REMOVE IT -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: WILL THE ITEM -- SORRY, THIS IS TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE ORIGINAL ITEM WILL BE CONTINUED -- SO -- BECAUSE HE -- HE IS SUBMITTING A STAFF REPORT TODAY, BUT I AM GOING TO WORK WITH ATTORNEY MASSEY TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE TO BE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL ON MAY 15. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE MOTION ARE REMAIN THE SAME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. CARLS CARLSON MOVE TO CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 6 MAY 22. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I MENTION ONE MORE THING. WHEN WE DO THE GREAT EIGHT, WE SHOULD HAVE IT ON ITS OWN WORKSHOP OR ITS OWN DAY AND WASN'T ENOUGH TIME. DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO DO THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, IN THE FUTURE WHEN IT COMES UP. >>BILL CARLSON: FOR STAFF. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OUR ONLY PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKER WILL BE MISS STEPHANIE POYNOR AFTER THIS DISCUSSION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOTION TO CONTINUE UNTIL 2:00 -- >>LYNN HURTAK: 1:30. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 1:30 BECAUSE I HAVE GOT TO GO TO THE McTO PICK UP MY CAR TO COME BACK HERE AND DO MORE CITY COUNCIL. A MOTION AND SECOND TO EXTEND TO 1:30. IF WE CAN KEEP YOU ARE IN NEW BUSINESS FOR TONIGHT. IS THAT OKAY? >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT. AT THE TIME I WILL MAKE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT, MR. ROGERO. I THINK YOU LEFT OFF AT SLIDE 35, 36. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I THINK IT WAS 36. IF I COULD HAVE -- IF I COULD HAVE PRESENTATION BACK -- OH, THERE IT IS. LET ME GET TO WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GO. AGAIN, MR. REID WILL COME UP AND GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW. DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THE SLIDES? I CAN DO THAT. >> THANK YOU, I WILL TRY TO MOVE THROUGH THIS VERY QUICKLY. ON THE UPSIDE, NOT ANYTHING TOO TERRIBLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WENT THROUGH AT THIS TIME. WATER AND WASTEWATER IS THE ENTERPRISE SIDE AND THAT IS WHERE THE VAST MAJORITY OF CITY'S DEBT IS YOU ARE CURRENTLY OUTSTANDING. AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE CITY -- THE CITY IDENTIFIED SIGNIFICANT NEEDS IN THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM AND EMBARKED ON A PROGRAM TO IMPROVE THOSE SYSTEMS THROUGH HELENE AND MILTON. WE HAVE SEEN THE VALUE THAT THOSE IMPROVEMENT HAVE MADE HAD. THIS SYSTEM DATE BACK TO THE 2010s WERE DESIGNED TO MAINTAIN THE AAA RATING WHILE KEEPING THE RATES SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW COMPARABLE SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT THE STATE. WE GO THROUGH -- EVERY TIME THERE IS AN ISSUE WORK WITH THE FEASIBILITY CONSULT AMOUNTS TO LOOK AT THE RATING AGENCIES WHAT THEY HAVE ON THE VARIOUS DEBT METRICS THAT RANGE FROM THINGS LIKE COVERAGE GOING THROUGH, MAKING SURE WE ARE MAINTAINING A REVENUE TO DEBT COVERAGE LEVEL AS WELL AS GOING THROUGH AND MAINTAINING TODAY'S CASH ON HAND WHICH IS ANOTHER PIECE THAT THEY LOOK AT PRETTY CAREFULLY. WE RUN THROUGH MULTIPLE ITERATIONS MAKE SURE THAT NOT JUST THE FIRST ISSUE MEETS THE AAA RATINGS, BUT ALL THE SUBSEQUENT ISSUE WE WAS THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE PEOPLES PROGRAM LEAVE ITS CITY IN A POSITION THAT WE MAINTAIN THOSE AAAA RATINGS. WE WORK WITH THE RATINGS AGENCIES AND FEASIBILITY STUDIES ON VERY CONSISTENTLY. GOING THROUGH IT, THE SYSTEM ACHIEVED ITS THIRD AAA READING IN 2020 IN THE MIDST OF COVID WITH A TRANSACTIONING THAT YEAR THAT WAS DECLARED YEAR-OVER-YEAR. WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THE PLAN WE PUT IN PLACE IN 2010s TO GO THROUGH AND FUND THE REST OF THE PIPES PROGRAM. AGAIN, AS WE DISCUSSED, THE CITY'S WATER AND WASTEWATER PROGRAM IN THE MIDDLE OF A MULTIYEAR INVESTMENT HAVING ISSUED $270 MILLION IN 2020, $298 MILLION UNTIL 2022, $ 31 MILLION IN 2023-24. AND PLAN RUNS THROUGH 2030. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE DEBT STRUCTURE FOR PREDOMINANT LOW PAYMENTS. AND THAT IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE OUTSTANDING. THE PRINCIPAL PORTION OF THAT WILL ROLL OFF OVER TIME. WE DON'T HAVE ANY LARGE SPIKES. IT IS JUST A PRINCIPAL MUCH IN THE SAME WAY THAT A NORMAL MORTGAGE WOULD LOOK AS WELL. GOING THROUGH, LOOKING AT THE -- THE FUTURE DEBT, THE PLAN IS CURRENTLY TO GO THROUGH AND WRAP THAT AROUND EXISTING DEBT WITH A PLAN OF GIVING THE CITY A LEVEL OVERSAUL PAYMENT STRUCTURE AND STRUCTURE IN CLOSE COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY'S RATE AND FEASIBILITY CONSULT AMOUNTS TO PROTECT THE AA RATINGS OF THE SYSTEM. THIS IS CURRENTLY BASED ON THE LAST RUNS THROUGH THE FEASIBILITY CONSULT AMOUNT IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR OFFICE. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT THE DEBT OF THE SYSTEM LOOKING LIKE AFTER THE SUBSEQUENT 2030 ISSUES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALONG THESE -- THE PIPES PROGRAM THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, THE WATER AND WASTEWATER. WE -- WE STARTED THIS SOME TIME BACK. I WANTED TO DO IT 30 EARLIER. $2 A MONTH AND NOBODY WANTED TO LISTEN TO ME. NOW IT IS AT $7 A MONTH. CAN YOU GIVE US A FIGURE, ANY ONE OF YOU GENTLEMEN, WHAT IS DOING EVERY MONTH SO WE ARE DOING IT PAY AS WE GO. HOW MANY ACCOUNTS WE HAVE. I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER. I CAN FIGURE IT OUT MYSELF. >> I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT TRYING TO GET YOU -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF YOU CAN'T. IF YOU CAN GIVE THE FILLINGS ON WASTEWATER AND WATER. HOW MANY ACCOUNTS DO WE HAVE AND HOW MUCH DOES IT PRODUCE ON A MONTHLY BASIS SO WE CAN FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS -- IN THE INTEREST OF TIME AND I DON'T THINK WE WILL SHARE ANYTHING NEW REGARDING SOLID WASTE FUNDING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. WASHINGTON WAS HERE EARLIER. I THINK WE WERE GOOD. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU. IN THAT CASE I WILL GET TO THE BONDING CAPACITY AND THE FINAL PORTION OF OUR PRESENTATION. SO IS YOU -- YOU HAVE SEEN WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO DATE. YOU SEE THE PLAN AND AGAIN, I EMPHASIZE THE PLAN FOR WHAT OUR DEBT ISSUANCE UNIVERSE IS RIGHT NOW AND I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT SOMETHING I SHOULD HAVE HIGHLIGHTED EARLIER. YOU WILL SEE THE WORD "POTENTIAL" THROUGHOUT THIS PRESENTATION. BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE ARE NOT TAKING FOR GRANTED THAT COUNCIL WILL ISSUE THIS DEBT, BUT A PLAN RIGHT NOW AND THESE ARE THE POTENTIAL ACTIONS THAT WE WILL ASK COUNCIL TO TAKE. SO HAVING SEEN WHAT WE HAVE DONE HERE IS OUR BONDING CAPACITY SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR. INCREASED A BIT $$400 MILLION COMPARED TO LAST YEAR AND BROKEN UP HERE. A LITTLE DIPLOMATIC. THEY ARE DEFINITELY CHANGE ESPECIALLY IN THIS ENVIRONMENT AND YOU HEARD MR. REID TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. THIS IS OUR CAPACITY. THE NEXT SLIDE. AND VERY SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR SHOW YOU WHAT OUR OBLIGATION IS AND WHAT OUR CAPACITY IS AND YOU WILL SEE THAT HERE. MIDDLE COLUMN IS THE CURRENT AMOUNT OF THE CAPACITY VERSES OUR BONDS OUTSTANDING FOR GOVERNMENTAL AND THE WATER WASTEWATER BOND. AND YOU SEE OVER TO THE RECEIPT, OUR CURRENT BONDING POTENTIAL. WALKING YOU THROUGH IT VERY, VERY QUICKLY JUST UNDER $1.2 BILLION WORTH OF POTENTIAL CAPACITY IN THE GOVERNMENTAL FUND AND A LITTLE UNDER $1 BILLION IN THE CAPACITY OF THE WATER WASTEWATER BONDS. AGAIN, HERE IS WHERE I WILL AGAIN STRESS POTENTIAL AND REITERATE THAT WE ARE BY NO MEANS ADVOCATING THAT COUNCIL ENTER INTO THIS LEVEL OF DEBT THIS IS MERELY OUR POTENTIAL TO GIVE YOU AND THE PUBLIC SOME SENSE OF SCALE. I HAVE SHARED THIS BEFORE AND WILL CONTINUE TO IT. OUR OVERARCHING PHILOSOPHY TO ADVOCATE AND RECOMMEND FINANCING ONLY IF IT MEETS COUNCIL COUNCIL'S AND THE MAYOR'S GOAL. DEBT FINANCING IS SIMPLY A TOOL, ONE OF MANY THAT WE SHARED AND EXERCISED IN THE PAST UNDOUBTEDLY EXERCISED IN THE FUTURE AND ASK YOU TO OPINE ON THE CAPACITY AND YOU SEE THAT THERE. THAT INCLUDES THE OFFICIAL PART OF MY PRESENTATION. AGAIN JUST TO SUMMARIZE WHAT IS COMING. I ANTICIPATE, LOOK FORWARD TO AND APPRECIATE COUNCIL'S INTEREST FOR WHAT I ANTICIPATE TO BE A LENGTHY DISCUSSIONS ON WHERE WE GO FROM HERE WITH THE CIT REMOVAL. WITH OUR PLAN DEBT ISSUANCES. WITH THE FISCAL '26 BUDGET AND WITH THE FISCAL '26-'30 CAP TALL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THANK YOU. A GREAT DEAL OF INFORMATION. COUNCIL IS FORTUNATE TO HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF FLEXIBILITY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU. BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU KNOW, I -- I OFTEN TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW -- I DON'T LIKE DEBT. I LIKE MY -- MY VERY HIGH BEACON SCORE. MAYBE I SAY THINGS I SHOULDN'T TALK ABOUT. BUT HE LEARN A LOT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA AND HE MENTIONED SOMETHING HIS FATHER SAID. IF I CAN'T PAY FOR IT IN 30 DAYS, I DON'T NEED TO BUY IT. I DON'T LIKE HEARING CREDIT CARD DEBT. LIKE KEEPING MY BEACON SCORE SUPER HIGH. I LIKE TO KNOW IF I NEED TO I CAN GO AND FINANCE CERTAIN THINGS WHATEVER. BUT AS I COMPARE THAT, MY PERSONAL FINANCES TO PUBLIC MONEY WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE HEARING IN OUR CAPACITY, I THINK WE NEED TO TREAT IT THE SAME JUST BECAUSE WE CAN. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO. YES. IS THERE CAPACITY AND AVAILABILITY AND AVAILABLE CREDIT. YOU BEGIN THIS PRESENTATION AS YOU ALWAYS DO, LOOK AT OUR CREDIT AND BOND RATINGS. I LIKE HAVING A $1800 BEACON. I LIKE KEEPING IT AND MONITOR IT EVERY MONTH. THE CITY OF TAMPA IS RANK NUMBER TWO BEHIND MILWAUKEE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: MIMS, BUT I AM NOT BITTER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I NEVER HAVE BEEN THERE. I LIKE TO KEEP IT LIKE THAT AND KEEP THE REPUTATION THAT TAMPA HAS THAT WE ARE IN GOOD FINANCIAL SPACE BECAUSE -- AGAIN, YOU HAVE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH. I SEE MAYOR IORIO EVER SO OFTEN. PASS IT IT IS A PARTICULAR MAYOR. SHE AND HER TEAM AND MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL HERE HAVE TO WEATHER A VERY TERRIBLE STORM OF LAYOFFS AND LOSS OF REVENUES. AND AS I MENTIONED THIS MORNING AS I GO INTO THE UNCERTAINTY POLITICALLY, WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT FEDERAL MONEY. COUNCIL HURTAK DOES A GREAT JOB AT SCRUTINIZING, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. NOTHING IS GARR RAN TEED, ESPECIALLY NOW. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE PROPERTY TAXES. THANKFULLY THE CIT WAS RENEWED FOR A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME AND WE HAVE THAT LIFELINE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL. YES, WE'VE LOT OF PROJECTS IN THE WORK. SOMEBODY MENTION THE FIXING THE FLOODING. DON'T CUT -- THAT IS A SEPARATE THING. AT THE SAME TIME, WE NEED TO TREAT IT RESPONSIBLY AS WE WOULD OUR FINANCES. DO WE -- DEBT IS NOT GOOD. I HAVE BEEN THERE WHERE YOU ARE PAYING CRAZY INTEREST RATES AND CREDIT CARDS. I DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE. A I DON'T WANT NOBODY THAT POSITION. I LIKE TO BE IN A FINANCIALLY STRONG POSITION JUST LIKE THE CITY IS. AND, AGAIN, WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL. AND I KNOW THE MEETINGS ARE LONG AND WE ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO LEAD THE NEXT GENERATION, NEXT MAYOR, NEXT CITY COUNCIL. I SPOKE TO ANOTHER UNNAMED FORMER MAY I DON'T REMEMBER. WHEN THOSE BONDS COME DUE, WHEN YOU HAVE TO PAY. I DON'T THINK IT IS A GOOD DEAL. YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY WERE ELECTED MAYOR FOR A REASON, YOU KNOW. AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN EXPERIENCE. BUT, AGAIN, WE NEED TO -- AS WE MOVE FORWARD, YOU THOUGH TREAD CAREFULLY. AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU FOR A VERY -- THIS IS A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. I LOOK FORWARD TO GOING INTO THIS INTO FURTHER DETAIL ON MY OWN. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. SO I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION OF THIS LAST SLIDE HERE THAT I THINK WILL BE BENEFICIAL. SO THIS GOVERNMENTAL -- THE GOVERNMENTAL BONDS OUTSTANDING. I SEE WATER AND WASTEWATER HERE AND I KNOW THAT SOLID WASTE IS NOT HERE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT IS BUNDLED INTO GOVERNMENT. CAN YOU TELL ME THE BONDS OUTSTANDING HOW MUCH OF THAT IS SOLID WASTE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: LIKE 100 AND -- >>LYNN HURTAK: 107. >>DENNIS ROGERO: 120, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE SORT OF I THINK THAT IS HELPFUL BECAUSE WE KNOW WE WILL BE PULLING THAT OUT. AND ON THAT NOTE, LOOKING AT THESE -- YOU KNOW, I AGREE CHAIR MANISCALCO TO A POINT. WE NEED TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS, BUT PERSONAL -- PERSONAL FINANCE IS NOT THE SAME AS GOVERNMENT FINANCE. A LOT -- I MEAN WE DO BOND. WE BOND AS A GOVERNMENT. AS A PERSONAL -- MY GOAL IS TO NOT HAVE MUCH DEBT AT ALL, BUT A GOVERNMENT IS ALWAYS GOING TO FLOAT SOME TYPE OF DEBT. AND I COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE OF THAT THAT IS NORMAL AND OTHER THING -- THIS IS SLIDE 19. IF YOU CAN BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO. THIS IS TOTAL CITY PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST AND ANNUAL PAYMENTS. AND THIS IS A HARD THING TO SEE BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT GOVERNMENTAL VERSUS ENTERPRISE. THIS IS WHERE THE ENTERPRISE GETS ON TOP. AND THE ENTERPRISE, EVEN THOUGH WE LOOK AT IT AS GOVERNMENT DEBT, THAT DEBT HAS A SOLID WAY OF BEING PAID BACK THAT HAS A TRAJECTORY THAT -- OF THE MONTHLY BILLS. SO I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE THIS IN THE FUTURE. IT IS NICE TO SEE IT TOGETHER, BUT ALSO PULLED SEPARATELY TO REALLY SEE WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT. THIS -- THE ORANGE IS VERY -- IT IS SCARY, BUT THAT'S THE LEAST SCARY PART OF IT FOR ME. BECAUSE IT IS -- IT IS DEBT THAT IS GOING -- I MEAN, WE HAVE A SOLID WAY OF PAYING FOR THAT, BUT THE BLUE IS THE STUFF THAT WE REALLY NEED TO DISCUSS MORE, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH ROOM. IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE TONS OF ROOM BUT WHERE WE HAVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF MONEY TO PAY THESE BACK. I WOULD LOVE TO LOOK AT THAT THIS WAY. AN THEN -- THEN THE SAME THING FOR -- FOR -- SO SLIDE 19 AND SLIDE 33 IS KIND OF THE SAME WAY. THAT IS -- CURRENT DEBT AND FUTURE DEBT. WHEN YOU SHOW A SLIDE LIKE THAT. AND, AGAIN, I KNOW THAT FY '29. CURRENT DEBT IS SO HIGH BECAUSE OF SOLID WASTE. WELL, AGAIN, CAN WE MAKE THAT LIKE A DIFFERENT COLOR. RIGHT NOW IT IS BLUE AND GREEN. IS THERE A WAY TO SECTION SOME OF THAT BLUE INTO ORANGE SO WE CAN VISUALIZE A LITTLE BIT BET EVERY WHAT THE ACTUAL CURRENT DEBT IS. IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: PUBLIC HAS BEEN SHOWN A DIFFERENT ONE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: WAS IT UP? I DID NOT NOTICE. >>LYNN HURTAK: DON'T WORRY. WE ARE OKAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE? >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, THANK YOU. THAT WAS IT. I'M SURE I WILL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS LATER BUT I APPRECIATE THIS REPORT AND APPRECIATE EVERYBODY WHO CAME TODAY. GREAT EXPLANATIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CARLSON AND CLENDENIN. >>BILL CARLSON: I AM TOLD THAT YESTERDAY THE -- THE LEGISLATURE FILED HOUSE BILL 991, WHICH WOULD MODIFY SECTION 163 REGARDING FROM CRAs AND LIMIT BONDING CAPACITY AND THOUGHT TOWN CRAs SOONER. BESIDE THE FACT THAT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, CRA IS SEPARATE FROM THE CITY. WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE DO WITH THE CRA MONEY IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF IT WILL SHALL BE THERE IF ANY. SECOND, THE GOVERNOR HAS PROPOSED GETTING RID OF PROPERTY TAXES AND SHIFTING TO SALES TAX. DO YOU KNOW WHAT -- WHAT THE SALES TAX AMOUNT WOULD HAVE TO BE TO COVER OUR REVENUES WE GET FROM AD VALOREM TAXES? AND WHAT -- I WONDER IF THE BONDING EXPERTS CAN TELL US WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR OUR BOND RATINGS IFLY THOSE REVENUE SOURCES ARE GONE AND SOME ADJUSTMENT PERIOD. >>DENNIS ROGERO: ANSWER TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, WE ARE CALCULATING THAT NOW. WE ARE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN WITH THE SALES TAX VERSUS THE PROPERTY TAX. SECOND QUESTION I WILL TURN TO ANY EXPERT WHO MAY BE ABLE TO THEN A AT THIS TIME? DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE ARE A THRONG OF PEOPLE COMING UP TO THE PODIUM. WE CAN RESEARCH IT AND CIRCLE BACK TO YOU, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK THE HIGHEST SALES TAX IN THE COUNTRY IS AROUND 10%. MAYBE MORE. MAYBE IN CALIFORNIA, LOS ANGELES, ARMED THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY HAVE STATE INCOME TAX. >>BILL CARLSON: LET ME SAY THAT I THINK THE GOVERNOR WILL HAVE TO HAVE LEGISLATURE PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND AVPT TO THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION. MAY BE A YEAR OR MORE AWAY, BUT IF IT PASSES. >> JERRYRD FORD WITH FORD AND ASSOCIATES AND MOLLY CAN SPECK SPECIFICALLY TO YOUR PARTICULAR NONENTERPRISE DEBT, BUT IN GENERAL, YOU HAVE NO DEBT THAT IS SECURED BY AD VALOREM TAXES. ALL NONLOFRMZ, SALES TAX AND OTHER FORMS OF REVENUE. THE CHALLENGE WITH ELIMINATING A PROPERTY TAX ANYWHERE WHERE THERE WAS PROP 13 IN CALIFORNIA WHEN HE WAS THERE IN GRADUATE SCHOOL WORKING FOR THE CITY OF CLEARMONT ORRER WHO TODAY, SALES TAX ARE ELASTIC THAN PROPERTY TAXES AND THE REAL ISSUE THIS ME RISE AND FALL. UNPREDICTABLE IS. SAW THAT BACK IN THE '07 AND '08 TIME FRAME. NOT DUE TO THE DEBT YOU HAVE TODAY BECAUSE THAT DEBT IS NOT SECURED BY AD VALOREM TAXES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONE STATEMENT ABOUT THAT, SALES TAX DISPROPORTION FASTBALL THAT NATALIE IMPACTS MIDDLE CLASS AND WORKING PEOPLE AND BENEFITS THE EXTRAORDINARY WEALTHY BY THE WAY. SO THAT -- THAT IS ONE THING TO SAY. WATCH OUT FOR THAT. ON BONDING, I WANT TO RE-EMPHASIZE MY POSITION ON THIS THAT BONDING -- GOVERNMENT BONDING AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HIT ON THIS. APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR GOVERNMENT BONDING THAT WE HAVE GENERATIONAL FINANCING OF INFRASTRUCTURE. IF DID YOU NOT HAVE BONDING, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE CITY TODAY WOULD HAVE TO PAY REALTIME FOR -- FOR INFRASTRUCTURE HAS GOT, LIKE, A LONGEVITY OF 40, 50 YEARS IN THE FUTURE. SO -- SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE OF YOUR YOUTH WOULD END UP HAVING TO FULLY PAY YOUR TAXES WOULD HAVE TO GO UP SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR $100 MILLION PROJECT TODAY THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE USING 30 YEARS FROM NOW. SO IT IS A -- IT IS OF INTEREST OF FAIRNESS AMORIZING COST OF THAT PROJECT OVER THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE CITY. PEOPLE WHO ARE THE EVEN BORN YET OR PEOPLE MOVING IN THIS SPARE I CAN'T. A REALLY APPROPRIATE USE OF THAT. AND, ALSO, JUST -- JUST ON A PURE -- TRYING TO RELATE IT BACK TO BE COUNCIL -- CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BONDING WANTS VERSUS NEEDS. AND YOUR NEEDS -- LIKE FOR YOUR HOME. YOU -- YOU WILL FINANCE A HOUSE BECAUSE THE AMOUNT -- THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THIS IT TAKES TO DO IT AND OVER THE COST -- OF YOU LIVING IN THAT HOME PER YEAR IS THE SAME THING WITH THE CITY. THESE LARGE PROJECTS, YOU CAN'T REALLY ABSORB ONE FISCAL YEAR. YOU NEED TO SPREAD IT OUT. AND THE WAY WE BRING REVENUE IN, IT IS JUST -- IT IS A WAY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DISPERSE THAT MONEY OVER MULTIPLE FISCAL YEARS IN A PREDICTABLE WAY. SO THERE IS -- AGAIN, A VERY MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NEEDS VERSUS WANTS. I WILL GO WITH YOU ON THE WANT STUFF VERSUS THE NEEDS STUFF. SO WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. VERY MUCH A LOGICAL PURPOSE OF GOVERNMENT FINANCING THAT WE SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHEN WE CAN. I MEAN, SHAME THAT WE DID NOT FINANCE EVERYTHING WITH HISTORICALLY LOW INTEREST RATES. I THINK IF WE CAN GO BACKWARDS, WE WOULD HAVE FINANCED EVERYTHING ON THE EARTH DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME AND WOULD BE PAYING VERY LITTLE INTEREST RATES ON THOSE THINGS AND BUDGET FAT, DUMB AND HAPPY LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK. WE DID NOT AND HERE WE ARE TODAY. I THINK THAT IS ALL I WANTED TO SAY. I WANTED TO RIGHT SET THAT CONVERSATION TO SAYS IT A BALANCE. I THINK THERE ARE THINGS WE SHOULD -- WE SHOULD SUPPORT THROUGH FINANCING. THINGS COMING UP AS I SAID WHEN WE VOTED ON THESE AUTHORIZATIONS THAT -- THAEFLS NOT GOING TO SUPPORT FINANCING THESE THINGS. WHEN THOSE VOTES COME UP, I WON'T SUPPORT BONDING THOSE THINGS AND HERE WE GO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>DENNIS ROGERO: MAY BE THE FIRST TIME TO POSTVERY BRIEFLY OF COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN AND YOUR INITIAL COMMENTS, MR. CHAIR. WE TALK OF BONDING CAPACITY, I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR -- REMIND COUNCIL TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC. WE ARE NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD. WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD IS UP TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL BASED ON PRIORITIES, REVENUE FORECASTS, ANY NUMBER OF THINGS. THIS IS SIMPLY THE FLEXIBILITY AND GRAVITY. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THAT MISIMPRESSION THAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO BOND ALL THAT MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. STEPHANIE POYNOR, THAT WILL CLOSE OUT TODAY'S WORKSHOP WITH NEW BUSINESS FINALIZING IT. YES, MA'AM. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, STEPHANIE POYNOR. $3.5 BILLION IN CAPACITY AND $2.8 MILLION IN CURRENT. THAT IS 80% OF OUR DEBT TO -- OUR DEBT RATIO -- I MIGHT BE WRONG. I JUST USED THE NUMBER THAT WASES IN THIS. I COULD BE. YOU KNOW, I -- AND I'M WITH COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. WANTS, NEEDS. YES. I WANT US TO BOND FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. BECAUSE WE NEED INFRASTRUCTURE. WE NEED IT DESPERATELY. BUT I -- SOME OF QUESTIONS THAT COME INTO MY HEAD IS HOW MUCH ARE THESE BONDING NUMBERS ARE PROJECTED TO COME FROM FEDERAL DOLLARS. WE LEARNED TODAY WE DON'T GET THE MONEY UNTIL WE SPENT THE MONEY. HOW MUCH WILL COME FROM FEDERAL DOLLARS? I AM TELLING YOU -- I AM -- I AM NOT GOING TO SAY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. BOTTOM LIONEL IS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE WE ARE RAISING OUR FEES AND GETTING OUR FEES UP TO OUR ACTUAL COSTS BECAUSE SOME OF THIS CAN BE OFFSET BE THAT. I ASKED FOR THE MOBILITY PLAN TO BE PRESENTED 15 TIMES. I HAVE HAD IT SINCE 2023 AND NOBODY FROM COUNCIL HAVE ASKED YOU TO BRING IT BACK SO WE CAN MAYBE START RAISING THE FEE. I DON'T GET IT. WHAT IS THE TIPPING POINT FROM DEBT TO INCOME WHERE YOUR DEBT FEES ARE. WHEN I SEE A CREDIT SCORE AND SOMEBODY HAS USED UP 80% OF THEIR CREDIT LILT, I AM TELLING THEM PROBABLY NOT UNLESS HE A CONSIDERABLE AT OF MONEY IN THE BANK. I WANT TO KNOW HOWLING DOES A TRANSACTION FOR FINANCING USUALLY TAKE OFF TO HAVE FAY OFF IN THE REAL WORLD. YOU REFINANCE AS PROPERTY, RULE OF THUMB IS THREE YEARS. YOU HAVE TO STAY IN THE HOUSE FOR THREE YEARS TO PAY OFF TO RE-FI. HOW LONG ALSO THAT TAKE. BUT MY BIGGEST CONCERN, AGAIN, IS THE FEDERAL DOLLARS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE WILL GET $5 FROM D.C. ANY TIME SOON. WE START COUNT BE CHICKENS BEFORE THEY HATCH. I FEEL THAT A REALLY BAD PLAN FOR ANYTHING BUT AN ABSOLUTE POSITIVE NEED, NOT A WANT, BUT A NEED AT THE. THEN WE CAN START SPENDING MONEY ONCE WE FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO LAND, BUT THESE GUYS HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THEY ARE DOING. THEY ARE SAYING -- THEY ARE -- THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE LINE EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. AND UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO AND WHETHER ANYBODY IS GOING TO STAND UP AND SAY, HEY, WE HAVE -- WE HAVE ROLES AND RESOLUTIONS. I HAVE A DOCTORAL CANDIDATE FRIEND WHO HAS NOT RECEIVED HER MONEY THIS MONTH OR THIS SEMESTER. SHE CAN'T EVEN ACCESS TO FINISH HER DOCTORATE BECAUSE THEY CLOSED DOWN ALL OF THE CENSUS DATA. CLOSED DOWN OTHER DATA SITES TO FINISH HER DOCTORATE IN BRIDGES AND HIGHLY NEED AREA. CAN'T FINISH HER WORK AND DOESN'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO PAY HER BILLS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THAT THROUGH STUDENT LOANS? >> NO, HER -- SHE IS A VETERAN. SO SHE -- SHE GETS HER VETERANS MONEY BUT -- WORK STUDY MONEY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND THEN WE WILL KICK IT OFF WITH NEW BUSINESS. >>LYNN HURTAK: A REAL QUICK QUESTION FOR MR. ROGERO. IN THIS GREAT EIGHT REPORT, THE REPORT, NOT THE PRESENTATION, AND I HATE -- Y'ALL ARE GOING TO KILL ME FOR BEATING A DEAD HORSE. BUT ON HERE, IT SAYS THE WEST REFERWALK A $24 MILLION FEDERAL BUILD GRANT. DO WE -- I REMEMBER CORRECTLY $5.7, NOT $24 MILLION. >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT WAS SUBSTANTIAL, $24 MILLION. >>LYNN HURTAK: DO YOU HAVE THAT MONEY IN THE BACK. >>DENNIS ROGERO: REIMBURSABLE GRANT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S REIMBURSABLE. THE WEST RIVERWALK, WE DON'T HAVE A PENNY OF THAT $24 MILLION. REIMB REIMBURSABLE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT MONEY AND WE 'PROVED THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. ANY NEW BUSINESS? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, WE HAVE A NIGHT MEETING TONIGHT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: FUNNY, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, I WAS GOING TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW I WOULD BE HERE. HAVE IT, KIND SIR. BUT I WANT TO SAY, COUNCIL, I SENT A MEMO THAT THIS EVENING I WOULD BE HERE IN PERSON. MY SON HAS A SCHOOL TRIP TO NEW YORK CITY. AND ONE PARENT HAS GOT TO BE FOR A PREPARATION MEETING A THE FREEDOM HIGH SCHOOL OF TAMPA PALMS. AND LONG STORY SHORT, I HAVE TO BE BE THERE IN PERSON. SO HE WILL BE HERE FROM 5 TO 6. RUN OVER TO FREEDOM. AS SOON AS IT IS DONE. I WILL BE BACK VIRTUALLY SO SO MY APOLOGIES. I WAS GOING TO:ASK IF SOMEBODY COULD MAKE THIS -- IN CASE I AM NOT HERE. MAY I MAKE A QUICK MOTION, IF I MAY -- ACTUALLY TWO, IF I MAY. TAMPA FIRE STATION 25 FOR THE QUARTERLY REPORT COMES UP ON MAY 15. MY MOTION PURSUANT TO WHAT I SAID BEFORE, THAT STAFF REPORT ON ALL EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS FOR 2025 RIBBON CUTTING AND OPENING IN 2027 IN THE MAY 5th MEETING TO SPECIFY ALL EFFORTS DONE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND. THIS IS ON MARCH 27. AND I AM GOING TO MOVE AN ITEM THERE ON CEMETERIES TO MAY 15. WE HAVE APPARENTLY FROM THE STATE -- FROM THE FED A GREAT DEAL OF MONEY THAT IS COMING TO US, SELF-HUNDRED MILLIONS FROM THE COUNTY AND POTENTIALLY PART OF IT TO THE CITY OF TAMPA. WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET AN UPDATE ON THE MONEY WITH ALL THE UNCERTAINTY HANG IN WASH-- HAPPG IN D.C. AND NEXT AVAILABLE REPORT IS MARCH 27 AND MOVE CEMETERY ITEM TO MAY 15 TO MAKE ROOM SO WE ARE GOOD WITH OUR RULES. THAT IS MY MOTION, IF I MAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >>LUIS VIERA: HE WILL HAVE A MEMO SEPTEMBER OUT ON THE CEMETERY ITEM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CHAIRMAN ASKED THAT HE WAIT UNTIL THIS EVENING TO INTRODUCE THIS RESOLUTION. CAN I ASK TO DO IT IN THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING -- THE COMMENDATION AND THE PRESENTATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO IT NOW. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THOUGHT YOU WANTED ME TO DO IT TONIGHT MANISCALCO MANISCALCO NO, YOU ARE GOOD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE. >>LYNN HURTAK: WOULD YOU LIKE MARTY TO PUT IT UP. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO -- YOU KNOW, TAMPA IS A VERY DIVERSE CITY. AND WE HONOR OUR DIVERSITY OF OUR COMMUNITY OF ALL WALKS OF LEAVE. AND AN INCREDIBLE PLACE TO LIVE AND RAISE CHILDREN IN. AND PART OF THAT INCREDIBLE DIVERSITY IS OUR MUSLIM COMMUNITY. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE A RESOLUTION CELEBRATING MUSLIM HERITAGE MONTH IN CONJUNCTION WHERE RAMADAN 2025, WHEREAS THE CITY OF TAMPA IS PROMOTED OF EN CLUE SIFT, DIVERSITY CULTURAL UNDERSTANDING OF ALL OF ILLS RESIDENTS. MUSLIMSES HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE SOCIAL FABRIC OF TAMPA ENRICHING OUR CITY WITH THEIR DIVERSE TRADITIONS AND PERSPECTIVE, WHEREAS, A RAMADAN THE NINTH MONTH OF THE ISLAMIC LUNAR CALENDAR OF PRAYER, WERE ELECTION IN OF MUSLIMS WORLDWIDE. WHEREAS THE 2025 RAMADAN COMMENCE ON THE EVENING FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2025 AND CONCLUDE ON THE EVENING OF SATURDAY MARCH 29, 2025 SUBJECT TO THE SIGHTINGS OF THE MOON. WRLZ CELEBRATING THIS PERIOD AS MUM HERITAGE MONTH PROVIDES AND OPPORTUNITY TO HONOR AND CELEBRATE THE RICH HERITAGE, HISTORY AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF MUSLIM-AMERICANS IN TAMPA AND BEYOND. SUCH RECOGNITION FOSTERS GREAT UNDERSTANDING, APPRECIATION OF ISLAM IC CULTURE WITH UNITY AND RESPECT OF ALL COMMUNITIES. WHEREAS SIMILAR NEGOTIATE TIFFS UNDER TAKEN, DECEMBER 22 ALVA MUSLIM HER TACK MONTH IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA OF RECOGNIZING THE MUM CONTRIBUTION INFORMATION OUR SOCIETY. A WHEREAS, THE CITY OF TAMPA ACKNOWLEDGES IMPORTANCE OF INCLUSIVITY CULTURAL AND RELIGIOUS. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA CELEBRATES THE PERIOD FEBRUARY 28 TO MARCH 29, BEEF AS MUSLIM HERITAGE MONTH IN CONJUNCTION WITH OBSERVATIONS OF RAMADAN. THE CITY ENCOURAGING EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS, BUSINESSES TO PARANORMAL IN PROGRAMS THAT IS CELEBRATE THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF MUM COMMUNITY. THE CITY SUPPORTS INITIATIVES THAT PROMOTES UNDERSTANDING, RESPECT AND COLLABORATION AMONG ALL CULTURAL AND RELIGIOUS GROUPS. IN RESOLUTION WILL TAKE EFFECT IMMEDIATELY UPON ADOPTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND BY HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. MANISCALCO. >>LUIS VIERA: DOES THAT MEAN WE ADOPT IT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. THIS IS A DRAFT -- THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT IS PRESENTED. IT CAN BE PUT INTO PROPER FORM AND BROUGHT BACK TONIGHT CLENDENIN CLENDENIN OKAY. >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, FUNNY -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TIM, DID YOU HEAR THAT? >>LUIS VIERA: FUNNY, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. BECAUSE MDF. I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WOK WITH THE MAY I DON'T REMEMBER'S OFFICES TO GET A PROCLAMATION ONLY THE SAME THING. I DIDN'T KNOW THEY SENT YOU THAT. I THOUGHT I WOULD MOTION AND WRITE SOMETHING UP INCOMES WEEK BECAUSE MARCH -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS STARTS TOMORROW NIGHT. RAMADAN STARTS TOMORROW NIGHT. >>LUIS VIERA: THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU FOR THAT, SIR. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. HE WAS GOING TO ASK IF SOMEONE COULD MAKE A MOTION IF I'M NOT HERE. THAT A HE WHY I AM GLAD. PLEASANTLY SURPRISED WITH THAT. HE WAS GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE NEW TAMPA REC CENTER. I DO IT EVERY YEAR WITH RAMADAN AND CHRISTMAS AND HANDLE CA. ONE FOR DIWALI AS WELL. HE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHENEVER THAT IS, MAKER OF THE MOTION WANTS TO PRESENT IT TO SOMEBODY THERE, HAVE IT. DELIGHTED. MANISCALCO MANISCALCO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. NOW HIGH TEMP NOW. >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE QUICK THING. I AM MOSTING THE REID THE BUS WITH THE NEW ROUTE ONE. SO WE ARE TAKING TOUR THROUGH TAMPA HEATS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GET ON AT THE SPROUTS ON TAMPA STREET AND TAKE IT DOWN TO THE STREET CAR. TACK THE STREET CAR TO SPARKMAN. AND EVERYBODY WILL GET THEIR OWN LUNCH AND COME BACK TO SHOW PEOPLE HOW TO USE THE BUS AND HOWL TO USE THE DIFFERENT APPS AND TO UPDATE Y'ALL ON THIS. LAST YEAR, THERE WERE -- THE RIDERSHIP WAS 3100 IN DECEMBER. AND IN JAME, IT WENT TO 4,000 A MONTH. AND AS OF LAST MONTH, WE HAVE HEARD THAT IT IS NOW 4800 RIDER AS WEEK. LAST WEEK, IT EVENLY GO THE TO 4950. THOSE ARE POLICEMEN NUMBERS, -- PRELIMINARY NUMBERS AND A WILD SUCCESS AND I FEEL LIKE I CAN SAY THAT. ANY MEMBER OF COMMUNITY WHO WILL BE FOLLOWING JONES US ON SATURDAY. AT 11 A.M. CLENDENIN CLENDENIN COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I WOULD LIKE TO OBJECT. SECOND TIME TODAY YOU HAVE STEPPED ON MY TOES WITH DAD JOKES. A WONDERFUL -- A ONE-DERFUL. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DID NOT CHOOSE THAT. AN ACTIVIST CHOSE THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MYSELF AND COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA OBJECT TO THAT. TWO TIMES TODAY YOU HAVE DONE THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY, SORRY, I GUESS, YOU KNOW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. THIS NEW BUSINESS. >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU FOR THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY FOR REACHING OUT US TO AND WE WISH THEM WELL OVER THE NEXT MONTH. FLOODING ISSUE BECAUSE WE WANT TO MOVE IN FORWARD QUICKLY. MANY PLACES IN SOUTH TAMPA AT LEAST WHERE IS THERE USED TO BE RETENTION PONDS, BUT SOMEHOW, HOUSES WERE APPROVED FOR BUILDING INSIDE FORM ARE RETENTION PONDS. I HAVE BEEN OUT TO THESE PLACES WITH STORMWATER AND WASTEWATER AND OTHERS. AND IN SOME PLACES -- I DON'T WANT TO MENTION ADDRESSES SOME PLACE PLACES TO BUY THE HOUSES AND REMOVE THE RETENTION BONDS. I WANT TO ASK CITY STAFF TO PROCURE LAND THAT WAS PONDS OR RETENTION PONDS TO ARE RETENTION AREAS AND REZONED TO HOMES AND REPORT BACK ON JUNE 5. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET HIM FINISH. >>BILL CARLSON: LAST THING. LYNN AND I WERE AT A TOUR OF HYDE PARK SATURDAY -- LAST SATURDAY. IT DOESN'T TIME IT WAS -- HAROLD WALKER A LONG-TIME LEADER OF HYDE PARK AREA AND COMMUNITY IN GENERAL RAISED MONEY TWICE WORKING WITH PARKS TO REDO KATE JACKSON AISH PARK. WAS IN THE PROCESS OF REDOING HYDE PARK. WE HAD MEETINGS WITH TONY MULKEY AND OTHERS ABOUT THAT. HE RAISED MONEY TO REPLACE LIVE -- LAUREL OAKS WITH LIVE OAKS IN HYDE PARK. PEOPLE WANT TO PROTECT THE -- THE TREE CANOPY, BUT TREES ARE FALLING DOWN. THEY REPLACED THEM. AND HE WAS -- THE -- SOME -- SOME NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS WERE RECORDING HIM SPEAKING SO THAT HE COULD TAKE THAT -- THAT INFORMATION THEN TOMORROW OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD TO REPLANT TREES. WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND A BLOCK AWAY FROM HIS HOUSE HE PASSED OUT AND NEVER RECOVERED. -- HIS SERVICE TOMORROW AT HYDE PARK UNITED METHODIST. AND THEN AFTERWARDS AT KATE JACKSON PARK. THANKS TO THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR WORKING WITH THEM. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR AN OFF-SITE COMMENDATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTIONING FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >>BILL CARLSON: FOR HAROLD WALKER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANY MOVEMENT OR DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT FORMER ARTS CENTER THERE OFF -- BY THE BASEBALL FIELD, BY THE OLD WYNN DIXIE. VACANT AND BURNT OUT -- >>BILL CARLSON: WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT OUTSIDE OF THIS FORUM, BUT THE BUILDING HAS BLACK MOLD OR SOMETHING IN IT. AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WILL START DEMOLISHING IT SOON WHY IT HAS BEEN EMPTY. CATHY, DONNA AND OTHERS WOULD LIKE TO PUT A NEW ART CENTER IN ITS PLACE. THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AT THE REQUEST OF HAROLD WALKER AND OTHERS IS ABOUT TO START A PROCESS. THANK YOU TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR MOVING THIS FORWARD. ABOUT TO START A PROS STOWS TALK TO THE PUBLIC WHAT SHOULD GO IN THAT PARK. THAT IS THE PARK ON SWANN NEXT NO WYNN DIXIE CALLED HYDE PARK. PARK IS CALLED HYDE PARK. IDEA IS TO COPE WHAT IS THERE AND PUT SOMETHING NEW. I AM SURE KATHY AND DONNA WILL PUSH FOR AN ART CENTER. OTHER PEOPLE MAY PUSH FOR SOMETHING ELSE. WE RECOMMEND THAT EVERYBODY PUT THEIR OPINION FORWARD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAY I ASK MISS POYNOR ONE POINT. OPINION THE FEES AND MOBILITY. I LIKE TO BE EXPLICIT WHEN AT THAT MOTION IS MAILED. >> THE MOBILITY STUDY THAT I HAVE HAD AT LEAST THE PRELIMINARY COPY OF SINCE SEPTEMBER OF 2023, AT THAT CAME BACK -- THE FEE STUDY. YES, THE FEE STUDY. BUT I HAVE HAD THAT COPY SINCE 2023. AND -- AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP. AND WE PAID FOR SOMETHING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. AND I ASKED ABOUT IT THEN. I SAID WHY ARE WE SPENDING MONEY -- DID WE GET -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE MOBILITY PRESENT TO US THE 2023 PRODUCT THEY PUT TOGETHER AND SENT IN TO SEE WHERE WE ARE AT TO VOTE IT UP OR DOWN. >> ANYBODY ASKING FOR IT, SEND ME AN E-MAIL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DIDN'T WE HAVE THIS HAND THIS OFF TO THE BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE. >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW ABOUT MAY 1. MAY 1 IS FREE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT IS ON FOR MAY 1. >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SORRY. I REMOVE WHAT I SAID. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST GIVING YOU A DATE. >>LYNN HURTAK: MAY 1. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO RECEIVE A.FILE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED. WE ARE ADJOURNED. WE WILL BE BACK AT 5:01 P.M.