invitation and we'll remain standing. >> Our father of life, health, and as you have given us the responsibility as city to do the right thing to work with. We ask that you will get the glory and the honor of this in Jesus name we pray. Amen. Thank you. Freedom of information 32 laws 1976 an agenda. I'll make a motion by Edwards, Mr. D. Any further discussion? All in favor of approval of the cons. We have two public. The first is consider ordinance consider ordinance number 25-015 to amend section 2-6 here the code of ordinances for the city. This relates to appearances and presentations before city council. Um essentially what this does is um removes the public appearance the physical form from the ordinance itself so that it can be amended from time to time without um that having to come back to council for approval. It also has in writing a fivem minute time limit for speakers and establishes expectations of um respectful presentation um when people are presenting to council. Is anyone that wishes to speak in favor of ordinance? Is there anyone wishing to present council request? established by Mr. Just want to clarify this doesn't change our procedure at all except for consequences. Well, so so right now the form itself is included in the ordinance language. It really just doesn't make a lot of sense. So we struck that. Um and then we added the five minute time limit. There was not a time limit uh listed in your ordinance um prior to this. Um and then we added I which was not in there. >> All right. Any further discussion? All in favor of >> I did um as council requested look into um a clock or something that we could use for for speakers um and the IT folks found an addin that you can put in PowerPoint. So we just included that >> under public hearings. Item number two is considered ordinance number 25.016 amending the city of Greenwood zoning map by reszoning.34 acres of land located at 414 Long Avenue from R10 to DC. Um this property on Avenue is directly adjacent to property owned by the same people. He has an idea of what he wants to build on that commercial area all the way back to his commercial. So it was consistent with what we show the plan staff supported. Anyone wish to speak or anyone wishance? library. Any further discussion? No further discussion. All in favor of ordinance number 25. >> We have several public appearances this evening. Um the first one is to recognize um Josh Skinner. He is the Greenwood County Capital Projects sales tax coordinator and he is here at the request of of councel. 2016. Last time I was here at the end of May, we submitted the application to South Carolina Emergency Management Division. currently reviewing the application. Had a few questions. We had a little bit of back and forth email with our consultant. Answer all those questions documentation. The last time they were doing a review. Um that application is approved through EMD. go to FEMA on October 1st and the applications anywhere from 12 to 18 month and just review that application was for the out of town homes because they were buy property demolition and then property 75% by % to come from the homeowners. Total buyout was 4 million 3.3 3.4 amount if approved and 25 to property demolition administration since then we have heard from South Carolina office resilience meeting here June 12th which attended. They're coming back August 27th. They have 150 million federal disaster aid money as well. 80% of that 150 million has to be spent within counties that most fairly large chunk of money. Um that money can go toward buyouts buyouts. They can also pay for that 25% that way as well. seem to be talking and speaking with them seem to be what they encourage us. They also build a lot of homes home. We plan to that meeting August 27th plan. It's for local official jewelry and figure out how to do the application appointment for all local official kindual individual Last week we met with Josh County that process you feel pretty optimistic about a the obviously there's some concerns with the federal administration But we feel generally don't feel generally confident those consultants the funds were obligated on Congress for some reason completely got rid of those funds still individual statements. We're certainly interested to hear about I can't remember. questions. discussion about what we do here. Obviously fix the problem council tomorrow night presentation. of the washers. Part of that study was our next public hearing is to recognize Blake Dixon representing homeowners of thought. Good evening, good morning. >> Uh so uh specifically I am representation for Miss Brothers Harriet Brothers who is a resident of Fox Hollow and I think some of the things that she uh wants to echo I think is echoed through other residents at Fox Hollow as well. Uh funny enough we have this uh to be on the agenda and I think a meeting took place after that was already submitted and folks when things were discussed but um just want to make sure there is clarification uh alongside of documentation through city council meeting minutes as well of the things that were kind of addressed by Mr. but also others um to know what plans are in place. Obviously, Fox Hollow, we're talking about the floods that they've had uh with Hurricane Helen and also May again May of this year. But we also want to remember that this also began in 2015 with a very big flood. This is the start of for the residents of Fox. That's when this started for them, right? I don't know if you're all council then or part of this, but those were things that at that time they were addressed and told that um fans were going to be put into action at that point in time and here we are 10 plus years later and some of the feelings that they have are that things haven't changed. Obviously, it's not to say that in the background things haven't happened, but it just has felt that way to some that this is a nightmare they trying to live for 10 years now and now I think we have to wait till 2026 to have an application approved by FEMA, you know, so it's another timeline of having to wait and whatnot. Uh so, as Mr. er said application is to be submitted October 1st and then the hope is that approval could be by summer fall or the latest of 2026. Uh and then alongside with that that he said on the 27th uh he's going to try and get the the ball rolling for that SC state level grant uh which you're hoping will cover the other 25%. Um unfortunately for me and for a lot of people here I think we've learned in life that you can't put all your eggs in one basket. So there is concern or any questions of what are the backup plans that that could that may have to be instilled if doesn't or the if FEMA does and doesn't this 25% will be covered or vice versa or whatever the the fear is that there will not be any backup plans and therefore then we get to the end of 2026 to learn it won't happen and then how long would it for something else to come up. So I think the the concern the the fear is want to make sure that there are at least some other plans. Obviously the hope is that everything would be covered by these super but if not what are other options and just an encouragement to consider those things as well of always have a backup plan right and so you know some of the the residents are concerned of that right we live in a world where we want to have hope but hope doesn't always come through on everything unfortunately um you know when when the house were originally built and purchased in this area is not considered a flood zone. Um, however, due throughout the years of new subdivisions and construction coming around, this area has now been become designated as a flood zone. Um, and the concern is that every new subdivision built is causing significant environmental impacts such as turning areas that weren't originally a flood zone into a flood zone. Um, and if it's not construction. If y'all say that it's not from all the construction that we've had, we want they want to know what is what is the answer, what you're determining. Talk about a water engineer. So, if she says it's not from all the construction and subdivision that runs along that that creek and everything else, then what is the impact that is causing this change uh to make something become a flood zone? Um, another concern question uh that Miss Brothers and others have had is waiting another year to to have their houses potentially bought out. You know, there's concerns of things of AC units have taken a hit from being flooded, right? So many times AC units have been affected. How many more floods can they withstand if there are to be more floods in between us? Uh roof needing to be repaired and just concerns of not to put the money into fix these things to literally have it in a year. So that's why they wanted at least the sum of a more firm, you know, obviously have this plan, but firm back up as well to ensure that it's not another 10 years that they're waiting for things like that. Um, and she did want to say she doesn't she's not attacking anybody's job. She's not attacking anybody. She's just wanting to know these things. She she actually uh and I'll commend you as well. Mr. Mayor Smith, uh she spoke highly of you how uh when this last flood happened, you came back. You were you were dressed up, you met with them, you came back um and closed ready to work and you were helping the residents, helping move stuff up and doing stuff. So, I want to commend you for that as a mayor to stand behind your your people to do that. That was awesome. And Mr. Bal, he's been great with communication through all them as well. And then others have been mentioned, but those were just two that she wanted to commend and mention for that as well. But there's just a lot of concern and a lot of fear. You know, every time it rains, there's fear. Is there is there place going to flow? And I can't imagine that because I get to sleep at night when it rains. I love to hear the rain to fall asleep to. um to have a fear every single time that it rains that you can't sleep. It impacts their lives. Um and that's why they want to know is there a light at the end of the tunnel and this flight doesn't happen to mention with that process right now. We're trying to do everything we can If this does go through 100% every time it rains harder. My timer is not working. I apologize. But um I did test that before the meeting. So sorry about that. Um our next public appearance is uh to recognize Mr. Marian Moore and he's representing the property owners of Pine Tree Drive. J is here. additional just like we our group annexation meeting was held in tremendous concern that was this was the beginning of John's Creek were right I've gone through a period where they covered the springs up weren't even supposed to be in people developing the property. I tell my they cover the springs up. I had Carol I had she been out there on the property numerous times I've called people that were developing the property to get them to uncover the springs. I got a 9 acre pond down, 1100 ft downstream where this property and the biggest run off and things like that and see how much mass has already come in my nur rain that was about two months ago. Also, enough rain came down that rain put up since rain of that creek. It's mud. Red mud until we get enough leaf coverage, things like that. We have any significant rain that is going to come into the creek and we'll have my My orange one inch of rain on one acre land is 27,154 gallons of water. That's a little bit more than average. If you look on the GIS, that thing standed up about 37 to 40 acres. Last week when we had that 3 in range, that was over gallons of water. There's not a tree left on it. Not anything to help absorb in any water. It's dead. It's coming right into that creek coming into my pond down here. It was three last Tuesday morning deep on campus he was going to take care of everybody. He stood up in the I'll come and make that body water and all the concerns I had with the county called D call number I've talked to him probably 25 30 times when I have gotten on the phone and he has basically told me that it's out of his hands now in it up to enforcement. We don't know what that means. Nothing's been done. Every time it rains, I still get tremendous runoff. And it doesn't have to rain about an inch. And it's also behind my pond down there's a go drive. It's only three and a half in diameter. It can't handle the water. that water back up my higher than the fence. I show that I don't mean to cut off. >> Well, we invited him. I'm not trying to cut off, but um I thought you had something addressing the floods in these towns all this impervious area. ground. I mean, you don't have >> the Lakelands Homeowners Association. Mayor, thank you. I appreciate you just taking a minute to listen to us. So, I am Chad Charles with the Lakeland Stoers Association and I'm just here to kind of let you know that we do get calls on a regular basis from neighboring property owners developers to run it off and say it's impacting their I don't know the legitimacy a lot of those but I have seen a couple first [Music] association made up of trade contractors financial institutions real estate agents developers builders you name it wide variety of profession members we welcome development we need does need to grow and we appreciate you know that been in development for a little while in the city. We just would like to know we feel like there's some sort of breakdown of communication and oversight. We're here to figure out if there's a way we can work with the cities around new we're in the construction. We appreciate the like to see new people move in some industry better append. Again, the reason I'm here is to just let you know that as my here to there's anything we can do to work together to help with some of this because you know we're getting complaints and they look at us. We should be able to do something and we get paid that because we're doing the development. We are in some category, but we're not asking you to put restrictions on outside developers and not on us. Anything we have to be done, we expect it to be equal across the board, local appropate breath. the issue. I don't have all that's department in charge of this. I certainly have some issues about the trust factor we have when development what we can rely on with what certainly want to work with that folks downream don't have any issues I can established. So, we're going to move on to new business. Um, under new business, item number one is to consider authorizing allocation of SD opioid recovery fund to Greenwood County for implementation of the Greenwood County Community Action Plan. I have Stephanie Dorne. She's the county treasurer. I feel like y'all know her. uh since he comes tonight and uh she she represents the county um with regard to the community action plan and really has a a lot more knowledge than I do and I feel like um is in a better position to answer some questions you might have. For a little background, um, and the South Carolina opioid recovery fund board was created by the, um, SD opioid recovery, um, act to administer and and disperse these opioid funds that are coming from these like large, I guess you call them class action lawsuits against these large um, companies that distributed opioids. That's the smallest best explanation I can give. Um so in 2003 the scoreboard they authorized that you could draw down $25,000 to prepare a plan for how you were going to um address opioids in your community. Um so the county we decided let's pursue a collective plan because what does it do for us to try to implement a plan and the county's implementing a plan and they're not driving. So we did a joint plan. The city contributed $5,000 to the plan. Um, we're now in this sort of phase where the board is saying, "Here's the money you have available to draw down, and if you don't draw it down and use it, then it goes to this larger pot of money that anyone can apply for." Uh, we have about $11,000 available to the city right now. Um, that is a use it or lose it, so to speak. And what we're asking council to do is authorize that funding to go to the county for the implementation of the plan. Uh the other point I want to make is that um and I remember when you reminded me of this I remembered um while the county's allocation is so much higher than the city and I remembered it was because we had to produce um years ago they asked us to provide them with data um relative to um opioid response and the majority of the county's response comes through EMS in the jail. So they have a much higher allocation than the city does. Um, I believe ours is c we maybe have $33,000 available to us over the next three years. And I don't know exactly what their number is, but it's going to be closer to $2 million. So, our money is not going to be extremely impactful individually, but it will be a lot more impactful collectively. And so, that's what we're asking you to do tonight is authorize um me to reach out to SCOR and go ahead and get those funds designated over to the county. and I will turn it over to Stephanie for anything I said wrong. >> It's nice to stand in front of you. And it's funny because this all of this litigation started while I was here at the city and I can remember when we tried to find data and and police officers were responding to those calls, but as you said, the county has a much bigger response through um and through through all the other services that we provide particip I just want to tell you this kind of passionate subject for me. So I can just like I can stand in front of you a long time I can do this too but I'm going to try to keep brief and I'll be glad to answer any questions that that you all have. I do like to start off by saying in the interest of school disclosure the county manager is on the school board but every application we that specifies that that he is on that board. Um but as Julie said, we did prepare community action plan. county did. We prepared an RFP request for proposals and Carolina Health Centers was the um agency that we decided to uh prepare our community action plan and and really what happened is, you know, our county council, we met with different people in our departments and said, you know, we weren't really equipped to figure out how to spend this money. As Julie said, the millions and millions of dollars have available to us right now is is about two, but every year we get more and more designated to spend. And uh and our council and staff wanted to be sure that that we were impactful in in what we were doing for our community. And so we developed the um community action plan with the Carolina Health Center. And the action plan has three main goals. Uh one of those is to reduce the number of overdose deaths in Green County. Uh the other second is increase the number of county residents who are impacted by addiction be served by high quality local resources. I want to focus on that word for a minute. Impacted by addiction is not just people that are in addiction. It's all of the friends and the family members and the co-workers and the people that are impacted by what's happening to those in addiction. We want to serve everyone because what happens most of the time is you have somebody that you might know and you help them. And so these resources are available for whichever whichever impact of addiction that individual in county is having. And the third goal is to increase access to harm reduction resources. And I'll talk about that just this is everybody knows about it always to help somebody who's having an overdose and prevent them from dying. But there are some other reduction resources out there which something like safe needle exchange there's a lot of controversy around that um but also uh some some things like Matt and you know which are medicines to help people trying to fight addiction and those can be controversial but our goal is to do whatever we can do to help people break the cycle of addiction and have successful lives and stop impacting their families we have implemented since last fall. We hired a what we call Greenwood County opioid resource coordinator. Her name is Rebecca Moth. She's an employee of CHC. Uh we also just recently hired at CHC a peer support specialist. We have dedicated appointments at CHC, one in the morning, one in the afternoon, every day of the week for people to come in and get a medicine treatment. We also have >> no it is only at the um the main location but all that anybody has to do is call them everybody else. Um distributing those reduction supplies there is a website is called next best steps that's all together next steps.org that website has the phone number. It's on Rebecca and um just talks about some of the things that we're offering. It's kind of small website now, but we're working on it. Uh just this past week, we put up billboards that have that phone number on the website on them travel just trying to get that out. Another thing that we intend to do is actually submit to have mailers that go out to every county. letting them know about this service that's out there. And so another thing we're doing we already have funds for is to purchase a van and that van will allow the coordinator and peer support specialist to actually go out into the community get to people that can't get here to the treatment centers that they need. Um if there were cornerstone there um it's it's way outside the city center which it's not just city center that has a problem. everywhere. Um, your neighbor or somebody in your neighborhood, if you're in a big neighborhood, somebody in that neighborhood probably suffering from from addiction of both. Um, but anyway, that that will help with deal with some of these transportation issues, getting those resources to people, finding out how we can help them. We've also started working um in the jail system trying to get that information to um our incarcerated population, help them with a plan for when they come out. Um if you don't know much about that about the system that happens in our detention center, somebody goes in and they are currently addicted. They will be put into a sale while they detox with no medical assistance. And it is a um it is a difficult thing to watch if you're around. And most of our detention center officers, nothing against them, but they don't know how to address this. And the nursing staff will not give them medication. And so they detox and then they come out and they have no plans for resources and how to move forward in their life after they come out. And then what tends to happen is they go back and they get that same level of drugs and then they overdose because their system is, you know, they were using this level and now their body So, we we're attacking this from a lot of different avenues. Um, and then one other program that I'd like to just touch on is is called the Good Life program. This is going to allow us to get into the school system and work with our school children, which is where, you know, at its core, where it needs to stop. We need to teach our children how to adapt, how to deal with all of the challenges of life, how to deal with all the the um the difficult things that occur in life in our life. Um this program has already had measur success in county and throughout the country. But I mention and um so all of these um programs are guided through a stakeholders committee. Um that committee has the representation of Tanner Hall, your fire chief through the city. Uh we have county representation. We have self regional, the solicitor's office, the Boys and Girls Club, the United Cornerstone department ministry club transition centers church. And so we have a a a wide range of people because this requires a wide range of solutions to try and address all of the problems. So excuse me the last application period for this year is from September 15th to October 17th. And so the city would need to apply for those funds. And if you want to designate them, it would need to include a letter that this council wants to designate those funds. Those funds are still coming to the county and we would work with um with whomever at the city is responsible for filing for that application on how we want to use those funds. A couple of things that that we're looking at now is a critical incident command system. Uh this would be available responders in county and it would be a way to track those that we're having responses to for um for overdoses and it would allow CHC to be able to reach out to these people. And this is the thing that I said and I've learned a lot through my work here and in my personal life. Sometimes what somebody needs is to know that somebody out there. A lot of times they have alienated themselves from their and their network of friends. And so for somebody to just reach out and say, "I care about you and I want to help you." Maybe the time that person there's some hippa issues with that. So researching how we might be able to work toward that. We're also looking at some different treatment options that may not be covered by insurance. Ultimately the stakeholders meeting makes recommendations and then those recommendations go to county council before we apply for funds. Our next stakeholders meeting is next week and so we would be able to take to them if you all vote in that take that action that we have those funds and canate and of course the city can tell us how what action plan to use for as well. um mutually agreeable for this. I am more than happy to answer any any questions that you all might have. >> Question here. That's incredible work. We really appreciate it. Um and our packet here it talks about interventions that proposed for county. Number one is share and recover homes within county operating high standard further further treatments to all seeking help. We've been hearing that for a long time and I know we've been waiting on some folks of the state to be able to make decisions incredible for that. Can you expand on that at all? Because that's I think about house and they do incredible work. They help prevent they help treat the problem. incredible planning that's in place there. Um and but is that something that we're still working on? >> Right. We did apply for and have funds available for any recovery home like we want we want these homes to to understand what the um requirements are for those homes. certified recovery, >> right? And as as you all know, because it was a problem, you know, when I was here and we talked about it, um that state the state protects a lot of these um these places and unfortunately it means that um that not everything happens the way Right. There was some state legislation um was introduced last year because I I sent to our to the Association of Counties and said, you know, we need to do something about this. We're trying to do, you know, we're trying to make things better and bring the county and we need help from the state. And they said, well, we pass this legislation like we appreciate that, but still not doing what we needed to do. So, unfortunately, our hands are tied on a certain level, but what and her team. What we're trying to do is to work with those recovery that we know about and encourage them through us about applications and become certified so that they then number one know the the rules that they should be following and then also number two so that we can then support them uh through our efforts once they become certified. And then we also, you know, build our database, build the number of certified homes in Gley County. >> Yeah, I think we all have gotten the phone call that there's a house on this road that has 15 people living in it and and we constitutionally can't just go walk into the house and count the people that are there, right? and and um and I completely understand that but tends to be from my understanding comes to the detriment and the the wellness of the folks that are there >> and um because we know that too many people are living in the house. we can't just go do that unless there's an EMS call or there's something else that's going on that would permit that folks that are living there have constitutional rights and so um anything that that uh it appears that based on what's there even if we identify it as the recovery center recovery home that it would it would at least have them up to the standards that are there. So I'm very very happy to see that. So thank you guys for whoever you can to help that one move forward. I know the mayor has written letters to our um our state representatives, to our um to our federal representatives to try to get any assistance we can with some legislation that would actually help us, but not getting much traction there. I had not one of the things again I've been for many years is we have and it's not exactly worded like this but a transportation program if you will and so sometimes people from other communities and then they aren't successful in the program and then they and then they're turned out and down our street. And so >> so we have um funds that we can use if we are able to identify these people if they want to return to their home community and they want to get back to a support system that they may have in their home community. we have funds that we can get them on the bus or train or however however we can get them there. What Rebecca does is she connects with their home community and tries to find someone there so they call a warm one hand off someone that is there to get them when they get when they when they arrive on the bus they know to be there and then and get that person and then take them somewhere where they're able to get what they need. Whether it be um uh appointments you know, getting on treatment program, whatever it might be that they need. So, um, it's important, I think, for all of our first responders to know that that fund is available. So, if they come in contact with someone and that person, you know, wants to try and get back to their home community so that they can get support systems, all you got to do is call Rebecca and she will she will start working on the problem. I want to um commend y'all on a great job. when I was reading through this and one of the things that um I would like to um address is the faith community respond committees and when I was reading through I also noticed that y'all was in the process of getting a project coordinator that you don't have and no one I know you said over there I think his name Larry at Luther >> I think that's what his name when I saw uh anyway doing a survey uh early part of this year there was not one AfricanAmerican church that had a drug program or anything of people that where my church is located on East Cambridge Western Chapel there's a whole crew crew of drugs that people that have that addiction you can walk through the church we just launched a it's from Trinity Recover program which we got on pay now. So they got people that but I would like for us to partner to get this program you know in the faith church in the faith community because I know I'm the only church that's now housing these products >> and I can't do it alone right so when I see here it says volunteer members of the faith community were cherry board for link can you explain that that sentence right there and I'll be honest This is one of the areas that we struggle with back when she was developing the community action plan. She reached out to every faith-based organization that she could get her hand on um as them to come to our meetings and um and we we had very poor response. Now, some of that could have been um you know from uh the right person didn't get the information. could have been a bad timing for the meeting. So, you know, I'm I'm face to face myself personally. So, I was definitely not and I think that um that this is, you know, like I said, we're attacking it from so many angles and we're definitely going um we we have seen some reluctance in some of our faith based organizations to be involved. Um and that's that's one of the things we have to work on is the stigma associated with all of this. So this is is not something that we have really um worked on. Um and so it's something I can bring up to suggest Rebecca at CHD when we meet next week and ask them where are we at with all of this or where is that next in our um in our next steps to working towards getting our community involved. I know that um uh the church name is where he used to be. Uh they're non-denominational, but they had a a real big um a big program a couple of weeks or so ago. Um but specifically, they had some praise praise bands in working on bring some people in and they are primarily white, but they do have some several times. >> Okay. Thank you. I mean, the name is so um I'll talk to her um if I can um offer you as a connection to get started. >> And I would just like to say I appreciate I appreciate the commendations. this morning. As a matter of fact, department meeting this one of the most rewarding things I've worked on, but really the staff at CHB is doing the majority of the work. I'm just there making the application support. But certainly appreciate everybody's support to this endeavor. [Music] Now we have >> Let me ask Jack a question really quick. Um, do you know if we're in a position to allocate more than just what's available now? Could we request that I allocate all that's available >> versus just what we're the use it or lose it >> funds? Okay. So in your um motion, if you just consider um whether you want to allocate just what is getting ready to roll off or whether you want to allocate all that is available right now, which I believe is around 33. What's getting ready to roll off is about 11,000. >> I'm just see. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Yeah, but we don't have any of our business side of things that are going to be working on this, right? we're we're already utilizing the resources around us, but we're not going to be able to use that money for anything anyway, right? >> I mean, we could develop our own plan and say we want to use our money to do something else, but to me, it didn't make good sense not to use our funds to implement the plan that um is going to be more impactful countywide. >> I agree. I make a motion that we approve ordinance number 25. I'm sorry. >> It's right there. >> I got it. Okay. um that we authorize the city manager to allocate 100% of the allocation of South Carolina recovery funds to Grim County. Okay. Under new business item number two, Mr. Vass is to consider ordinance number 25-017 amending the city of Greenwood zoning map by reszoning approximately 105 acres of land located at 1900 East Cambridge Avenue from LIW and R3 from LW to R3. from >> Oh, I apologize. I don't know what happened there. >> Okay. So, we're So, the ordinance should read um reszoning approximately 105 acres of land at 1900 East Cambridge from LIW and R3 to R4. My apologies. >> This is part of the track in this area. You see there's already a solar farm on it. The first one is the piece on the right to the far right is just below you can see there and then the rest of it is R3. So we looked at this and the available density approximately on the R3 that's there now is about 2.6 units across density. They go up to the they were proposing um they could get up to three and a half units per acre. Um this area also and the applicant agent will explain it to you. The developer has acquired what's called Bren Landing which is a development that accesses just below it off of um Mar Road. That one came in front of you when I first came to work here and different developer had it up here for reszoning and they ended up withdrawing it because it was opposition. They came back into our office a few months later and proposed a cluster development plan and were able to get about the density they wanted by clustering it with extra open space buffers. Um we got a much better plan than they proposed in the first place but they want to have a development that goes all the way through Marshall Road to Chainbridge. So the first one that we're looking at is for single family development lot minimums would be reduced from 14,520 square ft approximately with our three green 3 acre to about 10,000 square ft in R4. You can see the location of it. Um the future land use in this area is medium density residential. The request still falls within medium density resial. So, how far you actually have I have a family home place across the road from here and my cousin came from California to oppose it. Um, after the opposition came through, the developer brought plan that showed more open space. Uh, one of the concerns was that there's potential that the the Cherokee or the Kiwi Trail runs through the property. You know, that's what's located in 96 and it goes on up into the Kiwi area. Um, so you can see all of that's not buildable anyway. So there's a big separation between what's proposed above the solar farm and what's below it. got what I do have to say and I think you got this in your report and we did do a map within a couple of miles of this and reminded planning commission of all of the developments that have been through that have been resoneed in the area. So we have Bronson Ridge which is on both sides of the 25 bypass east and west. We have Bolton Landing which is the one I mentioned that's considered part of this at this point. Kimberly Place which is the PD that we call four corners at Marshall in the Bass Emerald Village and Brighton's farm which runs all the way from the bypass through to New Market Street across from West the Commons. Kirsty Forest 2 which is already promised because it is a PD and that's a drop in the budget by comparison. Waverly station is what was known as Seabort Station that's right behind and then Salud which is outside of the outside of the city but it's on church road. If you add up all the units that um we have attached to those potential plans were almost 1700 units. So I mean we have we have to look at it again language supports it. Um we are taking some areas that zone LIW which could be used for commercial it could be used industrially have a potential for those uses and making it residential single family residential was some good things in my opinion um but um you still have to look at what we are and cumulatively where we have arrived and you heard the discussion earlier and as a planner I'll say the only way we're going to address storm water is if we clean the storm water utility. First role is extremely busy. >> They have not they have not done a study. We we've said that there would be a study. DOT has said that it can handle the traffic but what improvements will have to be made on it? I understand trust me I live on it. Um but they would yeah any any improvements would have to bring probably turn lanes lanes that kind of thing >> planning commission voted against it so that that's in your report. Um we can discuss this um we can go into the next one too if you want to. They're kind of a package deal. It's the same developer is also looking at the triangular piece in front of the solar farm for town homes. Um, again, the same thing there. It's does go up into the low density range, but again, you're taking light industrial warehousing property out of light industrial warehousing that could be developed at a commercial rate, which would increase traffic and bringing in a single family tax product. So, that's the difference there. That's here. >> Yes. >> And the agent is here if you have questions. >> So I know we have a pre-ordance that we have and I know that when you clear it and you don't lose enough buffer and when you take all that roof system now some of this land is already cleared. you know, we're we're behind eight ball anyway. But what I liked about the tree ordinance, it is actually it actually would put in ordinance farm. So they would have to put trees back. And by putting trees back and having root systems and having more trees there, especially since what we suffered with the loss of all that we had and the debris that we have in our natural drainage areas that have blocked drainage that we currently have. I would really like to see that ordinance passed before we start building more. It almost like put our put some more preemptive more um preemptive measures to help mitigate problems down the line. That's that's what I'm thinking. Not to say no no no, but to say what measures can we put in place to make development better causing less impact on current residents. I think one of the things we could do also and consider this we have discussions on the pre ordinance is possibly inherit um and encourage people not to clear cut the properties law. The developer is not taking the property not you the prior owner as part of the contract to sell the property comes along with having a cut. >> So the goal is to try and encourage them to leave trees and maybe maybe even offer a small tensity bonus. So in that case they may not even need to resell them. If they can get you nine times out of 10 if the margin is so tight that if they can get a few more houses that they could get by right then the project works. And if we can find a way to make that work and you know honestly the um what we were talking about the the um project that's below it they made it work by creating more open space and planting more trees. >> Correct. >> So if we can make that more common place and not the exception we may be in a much better position. And then basically again retention ugly ugly neighborhoods make ugly retention. There's got to be a way to make pretty retention retention ponds that are at least appealing that would handle more water. So we have some water. We have these things that are coming into place. Then why not get them in place before we keep on building all in the same area? It's all in the same Walmart. by flower three or four houses in there and none of those >> you got four cars coming up with an abundance of houses >> nothing I mean I don't I don't understand why >> and then you have and then also Well, that one's gone. >> That's gone. Okay, that's gone. Okay. >> And then you have something that's understand. >> That's why we put the map together. I'm not I'm not trying to say that. they couldn't help us, but that's that's all. So again I want I mean like Charles said you know a lot of us are in the business we want to see growth but we want to see growth and growth that doesn't scar the community and basically what was talking about was scarring community and so I'd like to see some more work done with DK the new environment and more teeth or more enforcement to the selfens request points in the city and county of Greenwood and we flooded we flooded twice in our basement and there's no water around it. But the groundwater table has been put so much by the way that we've had three feet of water in our basement twice. >> Well, listen, all those trees that went down this water, they're all gone. How many of them do we lose? You know, the bunch of it was >> I know it took me a long time to get into town. >> Every road was cut off. >> So, we are actually the problem in my but I'm not a scientist. I'm not a hydro engineer. I'm not any of those. It just doesn't it doesn't make sense. >> Yeah. I don't know that we're here to agree. It does seem like they're building a lot of houses. These developers know their message. They're not building houses to sell. But I have some real concerns about after what I saw this morning. I have real concerns of what we can trust in theory if they approve it to make sense but that is not that >> I think I think the the problem I've got um having been in this field for about 25 years now is that a lot of it is in theory. So the numbers that they use to figure out storm water management is it's all calculations and They calculate what they anticipate is going to happen and they design it based to a certain storm level and they have to have so much percentage above that level that they can contain. Um the place where you fail with it is number one when you're in the process of developing it. So they clear the property and they've taken away any way for it to actually drain the way it used to. And then once it's built if they're not maintained those systems have tendency to fail. I'm not let's get some things in place. >> It was not specific to this development. No, it's notific. you have to have some sort of enforcement. >> Hey, you know, I talked to the guy, the same guy that Marian Moore talked to. Um, and Marian's right. I mean, he said, "I'm just the inspector." And once I hand it off to compliance and enforcement, I don't know what's going on anymore. And so I said, "Well, then can I talk to that guy? Can I talk to somebody in compliance and enforcement?" And he gave me that guy's contact information. and I try to call him. You can't leave him a message. I send an email. I haven't heard anything back. And so, um, I don't know. It seems like right-handed doesn't talk to left hand. And, um, >> I feel like >> I don't think that's part of the process for them to notify us if somebody's in the information. >> Well, I even asked if I could I even asked if I could have I even asked if I could have copies of the inspection reports and be able to see what what the development was not in compliance with. And the guy said he said, "Well, I think you can probably have them, but I'm not sure." And so I'll have to I'll have to talk to somebody and call you back. >> So just so yeah, the process is a little frustrating. >> I think we need until this is fixed and I'm not that's a big word to talk about but I think we need to talk about that >> your city attorney is >> tonight I already have one concern about one of the new governments that's construction legal advice. >> We're trying we're trying to to fix a soccer field and fix some pipes underground and we have to get a formal permit to be able to touch the land and these developers both are supposed to have to do the same thing. But what's the plan to mean? That's not part of our processes, right? It's absolutely insane that we're having to have these discussions. I understand. >> But also, too, I think with the frustration that I have and I hate that I know Rhett had to leave. I had Ret here this evening, but he had to leave. Um, is just that there's no we don't have a direct link to DHE to say, well, come here and help us, right? I mean, I'm sure we can we can round up somebody, but like on a daily basis, um, if I reach out to Red and I say, "Here's the problem." You know, it's like, "Well, we don't permit it and we don't do the enforcement. We don't, like Carol said, we don't have a storm water utility. We don't do our own permitting. We don't do our own inspections. That's all done through deck. And it's like that for for lots of smaller communities. Um, so >> it's a it is a broader discussion for sure and nothing we're going to resolve this evening, but we have two ordinances to consider tonight. Obviously, you all can postpone the to a later meeting if you want to have additional discussion about other things. Um, I'm gonna leave that to couch. >> We have to bring forward to give a date for correct. >> So, if you do a postponement and essentially it's better to just vote to do a postponement. You could you could say you could make your mo you could craft your motion to say that you want to postpone until a specific date like a future meeting. You could postpone pending some sort of additional information that you're waiting for and then staff can put it back on the agenda once that information is available to you. Of course, we would need to know what that information is so that we can put it on the appropriate agenda. Well, I think some of the information ordinances that were now situation and also even talk to our state representatives about this issue for smallerities. It can't just be us. >> Yeah, it does. I'm demand that's absolutely talk to state level. certainly understandable. By comparison, we had a business developer walk away from a project in the city because of the storm water requirements on a commercial. water requirements are coming from >> we we have one we have a little extra layer in the city that requires like certain things have to be on the plans and um looked at and reviewed by the the engineer >> also the way it is and the county it doesn't make sense as far as storm But water doesn't stop at the city and countyw. >> I'll be happy to um try to find some connections with ec to schedule some sort of meeting and reach out to all council with that. And also >> and also um I don't know if Chad left um Chads I saw him in the hall. Yeah, and he had offered too when he spoke to try to um bridge some of that too. Um so, you know, I think there's some opportunities for some deeper discussion about how we can uh all work together and I'll be happy to facilitate that. >> So, you have to you have you're Well, I mean, if you're gonna I guess I don't think you have to do them separately. I think I'll make a motion to postpone ordinance number 25-017 until October 20th to receive legal advice um in order to make a good decision on this orance. Just want to make I just want to make a statement that we have to trust that the folks that are going to be that are supposed to be doing this work. That's what we do, right? We we have to trust that you know there's other things Mr. issue. You know, there's there's there's parts of the process that we have to trust that after it leaves us, it's going to work. If it's not working, we have to stop. And if that means stop orders or whatever it is, then that's that would be my suggestion. But something's broken and we have we do have responsibility to fix it. That's my version with a draft of what we have and planning commission is going to discuss it on what's meeting date. I anticipate until October 20th. to receive legal advice from from our attorney prior to making decision on that First, second by Mr. All of We know everybody here. Oh, can you share them with I asked for you Okay. All right. That's okay. I I'll try I'm trying to get >> totally totally fine. >> All right. Under new business, item number four is to consider ordinance number 25-019. This is to amend sections 2-59 and 2-81 of the code of ordinance for the city. So, just a real quick here. Um, currently our ordinances require that we operate under the Spurgeon stand standard code of parliamentary procedure. As I mentioned to you all in the work session, uh, we must be the only city in South Carolina that uses this. I haven't found another one that uses Sturgis. Primarily, everyone uses Robert's rules. And anytime I I need to reach out to the municipal association to kind of walk me through maybe a little bit of a of a complicated scenario. Um typically they're just kind of well we don't ever deal in Sturgis. So um it's not that they don't want to help me. They just um said that most municipalities are using Robert's rules. I know that we've talked about this a lot throughout the years and I believe that some of you even thought we were using Robert's rules. Um because typically you're not picking it up. you're looking to staff to offer that guidance. So, this is an option to update this section of the code and continue to do so. Um the other sections are related to um travel and attendance at conferences for council. This is one of those policies that um during recalification uh we reviewing it with the Munic code attorney and he just recommended that this is probably one that we wanted to review um and make changes to separately rather than making them in the full retification. So I'm going to just quickly kind of go through what these changes are. The first one is that just generally speaking, we changed um everywhere it says conventions, we changed it to um meetingconference. People don't really call them conventions anymore. It's kind of integrated. Um we also changed the actual expenses incurred to just clarify that city council members have to provide receipts. That's in accordance with state law and you can't be reimbured more than what the panium rate is. that um language is not extremely clear in our code. Now um and then C and D are items that were already included in the structure above. I just separated them out to make them more clear. So C just clarifies that if you have any a guest that attends conference with you. Uh they're they're reim they are not reimbursed for their expenses. Um those are considered personal expenses. Um and then Dean just clarifies that um city officials can be reimbursed for expenses relating to um entertaining guests of the city. They're only one that serves the public purpose. Again, that language is already in the ordinance. We just separated it out for some clarity. Any questions about that? >> Okay. Um the rest of it is e overnight travel. Again, everywhere you see convention, we changed the conference meeting. Um the only really big change here is going to come in one where it was very specific about um that you could only be reimbursed if you attended um meetings sponsored by the municipal association which we all know there's a lot of other organizations that offer work training for council members and so I added the language that says or other organization approved by the city manager and the reason I added that specific language is because it removes the need to vote if it's already in the budget so you have like the national league of cities the city County managers association, you have um uh a lot of those organizations offer um trainings and conferences that would be worthwhile. That's just a couple I'm just throwing out there. Um and then the last large change change basically says that these travel um reimbursements should be included in the budget and if they're not included in the annual budget as adopted, then city council should approve a resolution for those travel. That's all. We approve ordinance 25-19 further discussion. seem to be quite reasoned. All right. All in favor of ordinance number 251. Um, so we do we are continuing with our letter collection series. Next one is going to be Saturday, September the 13th um in W five, Mr. Miller. You know, I would just like to point out, brother, that I showed up to do the clean up in four, but I came on the wrong day and had my kids with me and everything. >> We pulled up in the parking lot. >> I said, "Oh gosh, guys, I reschedled I like Sister Glass asked me to work to have it rescheduled and I forgot." So, I apologize for that. So, the next one's September 13th. Um, the only other thing I wanted to mention, and I I meant to put it in here, and I apologize, is that um, uh, the building inspection and planning and engineering, they've all been working on rolling out new, um, permitting software, um, called citizens. This is a more forward facing, um, to the building community, be able to submit their permits online. So, that launched today. You can do electrical, mechanical, uh, plumbing, building, land disturbance, manufacturing homes. You can do all those permits online and then you can track your the progress of your permit, which is something that you were not able to do previously. Um, planning and engineering and lake management, they're all working to then roll out their portions of the portal as well. Um, you can still go in person and apply. You can still get a paper application, but you won't apply online. It's just a new option and you need to fill it out today. So, if anyone asks you about that, >> yeah, they'll enter it the same way they would have entered it previously. >> I believe they also have a kiosk in the office. So, if you didn't have your own computer or your computer was in low mode, you could go to the office and and enter it there too. the staff can help use. So, lot lots of options and just another one now available. >> Appreciate that. I I am hoping that the annual focus of our mayor which we start is to help whether you can still clean up. I don't need to answer whether they're good opportunities for people to do that. But we just want people to clean up whether it's with our group or on their own. That's the most important thing we can group any way to clean up. You know, I feel like we made a dent sometimes. We've all heard anyway. >> I did notice that there was not a lot of litter in that area though. And then later that day, I wrote down that didn't work as bad as it does. So I feel like maybe I was trying to >> not just a lot of fast food. So >> that's pretty heavily traveled corridors. So yeah, that's good. >> All right. Um, is there anything to report a lot better? I told the property that was open [Music] address um There's one on David Street. There's also one street. There is absolutely no housing. You have a bunch of tires. You have numerous array of things that have been done. I knew police as far as [Music] they're I want to thank you for giving me that information about the car wash. I call office attorney. I went up there called the next call as well. And then I want to Julie, I saw on East Cambridge today over on P Street on Cambridge. I thought I had told people I appreciate them very much. It was like six or seven trucks of them out there today hanging over on the roads. So, uh I commend them in this city for doing that, showing that they really cares about our city. And last in green I received a letter that he was going to retire. I mean, human resk Like Brandon said, we had a great pick up. Veryful. >> That was really good. Everybody came. Um, still think that in this next, believe it or not, the next month or so that we're going to start talking about my budget, right? And um I would like for us to explore the idea of how we can be more on a certain roadside collection and include that kind of I know that's a long det. But I think a lot of frustrations that our constituents have and it's not just from us to us, but I think that they would that they needed to set stuff out on the side of the road and they need to help a lot. Um, and I think we just need to explore the idea of a plan that would get us to that point. Um, and very lofty goal. I absolutely get it. There's 20 and and sometimes it takes over a day to get to a but I think We have an expectation from our community. They want us to be able to have really even if it's a time frame what it is, but I think the social media things have gone well. I think that us posting it, I think us getting the emails from trash emails that we get are very helpful. But by the end of the month, by the end of the time period when they're coming, like my my area is in the 20s, right? as it gets closer or excuse me as it gets closer to it that's when the tone calls come up right and I think that's what kind of blurs that there's this recurring cycle that we all have especially prior to a council meeting that we're just like we have these phone calls again and again and again which means that our position and so again I know it's a long I know it's far but as we ride Um I ran out Cambridge Cambridge and and I pick up what happened on Cambridge um I'm sorry all the time and they'll pick up the roadside then the next day back on I know it's I think from our standpoint education has been working. I think y'all did a great job with that. I think communication working well, but I do think of course the budget process. So, I'll be happy to be part of that. That's all right. Everything else? >> Yeah, I know that the work staff is in the process of putting them up now. >> Um, and then the way finding signs because the larger ones, they're still in production. We got an email from them today that they do in the next three to four weeks. I know they're actively putting them up. I believe they have approval, too. They may have two groups of two that are putting them up. >> Let's look about would be trees cut up, but I still got two trees on top of >> What are the addresses? Did you give them something already? >> One's on first. >> Yeah. Code enforcement has both of those. >> Code enforcement has both of those properties and they they're they're actively working on them. So, >> we've been talking about several Before we leave, I'd like to welcome our new assistant. Excited to have you on boarded here things pop up. With that being said, do we have a motion to journal?