>>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE MEETING OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP TO ORDER. ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >> VIERA? CARLSON? >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>THE CLERK: YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. THIS IS A WORKSHOP FOR TAMPA CITY COUNCIL. FOR THOSE OF YOU HERE IN THE PUBLIC, YOU'LL BE AFFORDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO EACH ITEM AFTER THAT ITEM IS PRESENTED BY STAFF AND COUNCIL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS. THERE IS ONLY ONE ITEM ON THE WORKSHOP TONIGHT. IT IS THE STORMWATER BUDGET. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. I SEE WE HAVE SLIDES IN FRONT OF US. ARE YOU GOING TO DO A PRESENTATION? >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF. I'LL DO A QUICK OPENER BEFORE THE MOBILITY, SLASH, STORMWATER TEAM, SLASH, BUDGET TEAM, EVEN LEGAL TEAM COME FORWARD AND KIND OF GIVE THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE. I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FIRST FOR BREAKING THIS OUT OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. WE KNOW WE HAD A CHALLENGING YEAR THIS LAST STORM SEASON. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DID ISOLATE THIS. AGAIN, THANKS TO COUNCIL FOR HAVING THIS EVENING WORKSHOP, TO ALLOW AS MUCH OF THE PUBLIC TO ENGAGE AS POSSIBLE. I I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHIN, EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT A STORMWATER ENGINEER, SHAPE THIS A LITTLE BIT. I THINK WE ALL DO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE MAGIC MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN. >>JOHN BENNETT: YEAH. I KNOW SOMETIMES WE'LL GET COVERED BY THE CLOSED CAPTIONING. BUT I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT WHEN YOU BRING THIS ALL TOGETHER, IT'S SOMETIMES GOOD TO COMPARTMENTALIZE THOUGHTS INTO THE RISK MODEL. AGAIN, THIS IS MY BACKGROUND SPACE. THE THREE AREAS OF RISK ARE THREATS VULNERABILITY AND CONSEQUENCES. IF YOU FOLLOW THE RED BOX ON THE TOP LEFT, WE KNOW THAT RAINFALL BY ITSELF, WHETHER IT'S QUANTITATIVE OR, IN SOME CASES, SATURATING LIKE WE SAW LAST YEAR, IT'S GOING TO CHANGE OUR LEVEL OF RISK. IF YOU COMPOUND THAT WITH STORM SURGE AND TIDAL TIMING, IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE RAIN, OF COURSE, THE FOUR ELEMENTS OF A STORM, ESPECIALLY A HURRICANE, IS THE AGGREGATE RAINFALL, THE WIND, THE TORNADIC ACTIVITY AND, OF COURSE, STORM SURGE. SO WHEN YOU BRING ALL THAT TOGETHER, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE A UNIQUE INCIDENT. I'VE BEEN ON THE STREET OR AT LEAST IN TAMPA AND THE REGION FOR 40 YEARS DOING THIS WORK. AND FOR ALL THE TIMES I'VE EVACUATED THE CITY, I NEVER SAW ANYTHING LIKE WHAT WE SAW LAST YEAR. SO WE ALSO KNOW THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING, SO WE MAY SEE MORE OF THESE KIND OF RISKS. AND THEN THE HUMAN INFLUENCE FACTORS. HOW DO WE KEEP OUR STORM DRAINS CLEAN FROM DEBRIS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WORKING AS A COMMUNITY AND A GOVERNMENT ENTITY. AND THEN YOU MOVE DOWN, WITHOUT VULNERABILITY, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE A THREAT. SO I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT AS A SYSTEM. THERE IS YOU AND YOUR PARCEL, AND THEN THERE IS THE COMMUNITY AND THEN THERE IS THE REGION. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR TONIGHT THAT WATER FLOWS DOWN HILL AND THESE BASINS AND THESE RETENTION AREAS AND EVERYTHING ELSE CAN MOVE ONLY TOWARDS THE BAY. DEPENDING ON WHAT THE BAY IS DOING. SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT YOUR ELEVATION AS A PARCEL, YOUR BARRIERS, YOUR CAPABILITIES OF PREVENTION, HOW YOU DRAIN AND RETAIN WATER IN YOUR AREA AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE REGIONAL TOPOGRAPHY, YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THAT TONIGHT. THE FAR BOTTOM RIGHT, ALL THESE CONSEQUENCES AFFECT YOUR HOME, YOUR WORK, YOUR SCHOOL, YOUR ABILITY TO MOVE AROUND, YOUR PHYSICAL EMOTIONAL FINANCIAL HARM, AND, OF COURSE, IN THE AGGREGATE THEY CAN ALL IMPACT YOU ON ANY GIVEN DAY OR ANY GIVEN SEASON. SO THE WAY TO DEFEAT THIS IN THE UPPER RIGHT IS HOW DO WE SHARE INTELLIGENCE. IT'S NOT REALLY FAR AFIELD FROM THE WAY WE HANDLE OTHER THINGS IN RISK MODELING, BUT WE UNDERSTAND OUR SEASONAL RISKS BASED ON THE ANALYSIS WE GET BOTH ON A NATIONAL AND LOCAL LEVEL. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, WE WE TRY AND WORK THROUGH OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICES WITH THE PUBLIC. HOW DO WE DESIGN OUR SYSTEM, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TONIGHT. ALL OF THAT BOILS DOWN TO A LEVEL OF SERVICE. WE WANT TO AVOID A RESPONSE THROUGH PREVENTION AND POSSIBLY SOMETIMES IF THAT RESPONSE LEADS TO INSURANCE AND MITIGATION, WRAP IT UP THERE. AS YOU HEAR EVERYTHING TONIGHT, IF WE COULD PARSE IT OUT AS A COMMUNITY AND SAY WHICH CATEGORY ARE WE IN, HOW DO WE MAGNIFY, AMPLIFY THOSE LEVELS OF SERVICE. THAT'S ONE THING I WANTED TO KICK OFF BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO THE EXPERTS. THE SECOND THING IS AGAIN, FROM THE ADMINISTRATION POINT OF VIEW, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN REPEATEDLY DISCUSSED OR INTERVALLY DISCUSSED OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. AND THAT IS THE ASSESSMENT. I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR UNANIMOUSLY APPROVING THE ASSESSMENTS FOR BOTH MAINTENANCE AND INFRASTRUCTURE. AGAIN, TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR WHERE THOSE LEVELS OF SERVICE MEET OUR OPPORTUNITIES TO AVOID RISK. ONE THING THAT KEPT COMING UP IS PARADES. THOSE THINGS ARE NOT WHAT WE NEED THESE FOLKS DOING. HOWEVER, WE'VE ALSO ACCEPTED A NEW LEVEL OF RISK IN SOCIETY WITH OPEN AIR EVENTS AND VEHICLE BORN ATTACKS. WHAT I DISCOVERED TALKING WITH THEM, THE INFUSION OF GENERAL FUND DOLLARS THAT SUPPORTED THE ASSESSMENT DOLLARS, REALLY, THE NUMBERS I'M GETTING ARE APPROXIMATELY 10% OF THE GENERAL FUND DOLLARS WOULD HAVE GONE TO THIS. AND EVEN THOUGH IT'S WORKED AWAY, ABOUT HALF OF THAT WAS ON OVERTIME WHICH DIDN'T TAKE AWAY -- AGAIN, THIS IS NOT RATIONALIZATION OR EXCUSING BECAUSE WE HAVE WORKED AS AN ADMINISTRATION. THERE WAS JUST A STAKEHOLDER CALL THIS WEEK ON HOW TO WORK THROUGH THE NEXT EVENT SEASON AND MAKE SURE THAT WE FIND A WAY TO NOT HAVE TO HAVE ANY OF THIS WORK BE DEFLECTED FROM THE PRIORITIES THAT IT NEEDS TO BE. SO, AGAIN, WE'RE GROWING. WE'RE LEARNING CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT. WE HAVE NEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR HARDENING OUR OPEN AIR EVENTS THAT WILL PUT LESS IMPACT ON THE PUBLIC WORKS RESOURCES TO SUPPORT THE PUBLIC SAFETY RESOURCES. AGAIN, WE'RE GROWING IN THE SPACE. I WANTED TO PUT THIS IN SOME CATEGORIZATION SO WHEN STAFF COMES UP, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AS A TEAM. THAT IS IT FOR NOW. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, CHIEF. I APPRECIATE THAT. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. BRANDON CAMPBELL, INTERIM DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY. IF I COULD GET THE SLIDES UP THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY UPLOADED. I THINK IT IS THE THIRD OR FOURTH SLIDE THAT SHARES THE OUTLINE OF THE EVENING'S PRESENTATION 37 ACTUALLY, I CAN ADVANCE THEM HERE. YES. JUST WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE ARE -- WHAT OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM IS, WHAT WE ARE WORKING WITH, WHAT WE ARE WORKING AGAINST. THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US TO JUST SORT OF REITERATE WHAT RESOURCES ARE BEING PUT TO GOOD USE. AND THEN THE BUDGET NUMBERS FOR THE FISCAL '26 BUDGET. I'LL START OFF TALKING ABOUT THE SYSTEM, AND THEN I'M GOING TO CALL LI UP TO TALK ABOUT ASSESSMENTS AND CAPITAL PROJECTS AND THEN WRAP IT UP WITH MIKE PERRY COMING UP, I BELIEVE, AND TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIFIC BUDGET THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED TO YOU ALL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PAUSE ONE SECOND. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST BEFORE WE GET STARTED, CAN WE JUST KIND OF SET SOME OVERVIEWS OF QUESTIONS. I SEE THIS AS DIVIDED INTO SECTIONS. CAN WE STOP AT THE END OF EACH SECTION FOR QUESTIONS? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE KIND OF PLAYED IT BY EAR THE LAST TIME. I WILL DO THE SAME THING, UNLESS IT STARTS DRAGGING US DOWN, WE'LL TRY TO -- IF YOU ARE OKAY WITH THAT. >> YEAH. CERTAINLY, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO DO IT EITHER WAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YUAN LI, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL? >> OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS COMPOSED OF MANY LINKS AND NODES IN A GENERAL FRAMEWORK THAT WE PUT OUT IN OUR QUARTERLY REPORTS BUT WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF GO OVER WHAT COMPRISES THOSE LINKS AND NODES. OUR PIPES AND BOX CULVERTS ARE THE PRIMARY LINEAR PORTION OF OUR SYSTEM. THAT IS ABOUT 600 MILES WORTH OF INFRASTRUCTURE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE ALMOST 200 MILES OF DITCHES AND CANALS, AND THEN THOSE INTERFACE WITH ONE ANOTHER AT VARIOUS NODES IN THE FORM OF OUTFALLS, HEAD VAULTS, INLETS AND THE LIKE. >>LYNN HURTAK: QUICK DEFINITION. WHAT IS A HEAD WALL? I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE NUMBERS EARLIER AND WE WERE DEBATING WHAT THE ANSWER WAS. >> A HEAD WALL IS WHERE A PIPE WOULD ENTER LIKE INTO A DITCH SYSTEM AND THEN A CONCRETE BLOCK THAT SORT OF HOLDS THE SOIL BACK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT. >> FAIR ENOUGH. I ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT OF NOTE WE HAVE 13 PUMP STATIONS. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN FRONT OF YOU AND IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY ON MANY OCCASIONS, AND WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING TO IMPROVE THOSE PUMP STATIONS HERE IN A MOMENT. BUT WHAT WE'RE WORKING AGAINST WITHIN THE CITY WITH STORMWATER IS OUR TOPOGRAPHY. YOU ALL KNOW WE ARE A FLAT CITY IN A FLAT STATE ON A FLAT PENINSULA, AND SO WHILE GRAVITY IS A CHEAP ENERGY SOURCE FOR US, WE CAN ONLY USE IT TO THE EXTENT THAT THE TOPOGRAPHY ALLOWS FOR IT. WE PUT A TOP GRAPHICAL MAP ON THE LEFT TO SHOW THE LAYOUT OF THE CITY AS YOU WOULD EXPECT IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE PENINSULA, LIGHTER YELLOW AND A SORT OF DEEP GREEN, THAT'S WHERE THE TOPOGRAPHY IS A LITTLE LOWER. RED AND THEN SPECKLES OF WHITE ARE HIGHER TOPOGRAPHY. AS YOU GO FURTHER SOUTH OR FURTHER INWARD WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, YOU GET TO THE LOW AREAS, WHICH, OF COURSE, IS WHERE OUR LARGER BODIES OF WATER ARE AND WHERE THAT STORMWATER FLOWS TO. THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE, A LOT OF IT IS AGING. SO WE ARE HAVING TO FOCUS ON MAINTENANCE OF SOME OF THAT AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, AND A LOT OF IT IS INADEQUATE TO CURRENT DESIGN STANDARDS. PORTIONS OF OUR SYSTEM THAT ARE 50 PLUS YEARS OLD MAY NOT BE ADEQUATELY SIZED OR THERE MAY NOT BE AN EXISTING PIECE OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED TO GET THE WATER TO THE BAY. OUR TEAM ITSELF IS COMPRISED OF TWO DIFFERENT PRIMARY FUNCTIONS WITHIN THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT. THE ENGINEERING TEAM IS ITS OWN DIVISION. IT IS THE STORMWATER ENGINEERING DIVISION. WE HAVE 22 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES WITHIN THAT DIVISION. 12 OF THOSE ARE FOCUSED ON ENGINEERING TASKS, AND AMONG THOSE 12, WE HAVE SEVEN LICENSED PEs, LICENSED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE 10 TECHNICAL AND SUPPORT STAFF WITHIN THAT TEAM. THEY DO A LOT WITH THOSE ASSESSMENTS AND ENSURING THAT THEY ARE CALCULATED CORRECTLY AND THAT WE ARE ADEQUATELY ASSESSING OR FAIRLY ASSESSING THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR WHAT THEIR CONTRIBUTION IS TO THAT STORMWATER RUNOFF. THE OPERATIONS TEAM IS HOUSED WITHIN THE OPERATIONS DIVISION OF THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT. HOWEVER, THE STORMWATER OPERATIONS GROUP IS FUNCTIONALLY SEPARATE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION OPERATIONS GROUP. THEY BOTH FALL WITHIN THE SAME DIVISION, BUT THEY HAVE COMPLETELY SEPARATE JOB FUNCTIONS. THAT IS COMPRISED OF 62 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES. AS YOU SEE BROKEN OUT THERE, ONE OPERATIONS CHIEF, THREE PLANNER SCHEDULERS, FIVE SUPERVISORS, AND 53 PEOPLE WHO SPEND THE BULK OF THEIR TIME OUT IN THE FIELD. SO WE LIKE TO SAY, WE'VE GOT 53 PEOPLE OUT THERE, THOSE ARE OUR EYES AND EARS ON THE STORMWATER SYSTEM, BUT THEN THERE ARE 400,000 OTHER PEOPLE THAT CAN HELP US TO SEE THOSE THINGS THAT WE MIGHT MISS WITH THAT SMALL TEAM JUST OUT THERE LOOKING. SO WE WELCOME ANY FEEDBACK THAT THERE'S SOME ISSUE WITH THE SYSTEM. THE EQUIPMENT WE WORK WITH WOULD FALL PRIMARILY INTO THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. THE FAR LEFT, WE HAVE DITCH CLEARING AND GRADING EQUIPMENT. THE TOP LEFT PICTURE THERE IS OUR SPIDER EXCAVATOR. IT IS A LITTLE MORE VERSATILE IN TERMS OF GETTING INTO SPACES THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT TO ACCESS, BUT WE HAVE OTHER PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE WOULD DEPLOY JUST BASED ON EQUIPMENT AVAILABILITY AND THE FIELD CONDITIONS. WE WANT THE RIGHT TOOL FOR THE RIGHT JOB. THE CENTER COLUMN THERE IS -- IT SHOWS A VACUUM TRUCK ON THE TOP. WE HAVE A FLEET OF VACUUM TRUCKS THAT WE OWN AND OPERATE. WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF TRANSITIONING THAT. WE HAVE A FEW RENTAL LEASE VEHICLES ON THE WAY. WE ANTICIPATE THOSE ARRIVING BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. AND THEN THE PICTURE BELOW THAT IS OUR TV TRUCK. IT IS A CAMERA BASED INSPECTION SET UP THAT WE OWN AND OPERATE WITHIN THE STORMWATER OPERATIONS TEAM. THOUGH WE DO HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE SIMILAR PIECES OF EQUIPMENT FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS IF AND WHEN NEEDED. ON THE FAR RIGHT, WE HAVE TWO STREET SWEEPERS. THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THE STREET SWEEPING OPERATION IS TO KEEP DEBRIS OUT OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM. IT IS NOT JUST AN AESTHETIC FUNCTION. IT IS LITERALLY TO KEEP GRIT, SAND, DIRT, WHATEVER YOU SEE ON THE ROAD FROM GETTING WASHED INTO THOSE INLETS, INTO THE DITCHES, CLOGGING IT UP. YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE THAT WE HAD A CITY OF TAMPA CITYWIDE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT DONE THIS YEAR. THIS WAS NOT A STORMWATER-SPECIFIC EFFORT, BUT IT DID ADDRESS SOME OF THE STORMWATER CHALLENGES THAT WE ARE FACING AS A CITY. SO I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A STATEMENT FROM THAT, WHICH SAYS, IN THE COMING DECADES, TAMPA WILL EXPERIENCE THE COMBINED EFFECTS OF GRADUAL SEA LEVEL RISE, EXTREME RAINFALL, AND STORM SURGE. WHILE MOST OF OUR EFFORTS AND MOST OF OUR SYSTEM IS FOCUSED MORE ON THAT CENTER STATEMENT, THE EXTREME RAINFALL OR RAINFALL EVENTS IN GENERAL, ALL THREE OF THOSE DISTINCT BUT MEANINGFUL IMPACTS ARE THINGS THAT MY TEAM WORKS ON. THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS A MAP OF OUR HOT SPOTS. YUAN WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR SERVICE LEVELS AND OUR ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, BUT WE HAVE A LIST OF HOT SPOTS THAT WE WOULD GET TO MORE FREQUENTLY THAN OUR SERVICE LEVEL COMMITMENTS MIGHT OTHERWISE COMMUNICATE. SO WE PUT THIS IN HERE, HOPEFULLY THIS VIDEO WILL WORK FOR US. I WILL MENTION BEFORE I PLAY IT THAT THERE IS A QR CODE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT. THESE VIDEOS ARE FROM NOAA, AND THAT QR CODE WILL TAKE YOU TO THEIR WEBSITE. IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR YOU TO SEE IT ON YOUR OWN DEVICE AT YOUR OWN PACE IF YOU ARE SO INCLINED. BUT THAT'S THERE FOR THAT PURPOSE. THE VIDEO ON THE LEFT IS A RAINFALL INTENSITY OF ONE INCH PER HOUR. AS I HIT PLAY ON IT, I CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THE VIDEO, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE RAINFALL BEST, IF I CAN FIND MY CURSOR. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE AN INCH PER HOUR IS A MODERATE RAINFALL. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYTHING THAT'S SCARY OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD NECESSARILY BE CAUSE FOR ALARM. BUT IN THAT SAME RAIN EVENT, YOU CAN SEE THE RED CAR IS STILL PICKED THERE. INTENSITY PICKED UP AND MEASURED IT AT 1.5 INCHES PER HOUR. IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIGHT, IT GOES FROM A MODERATE RAINFALL TO A PRETTY INTENSE RAINFALL. I SAY THIS BECAUSE WE GET INTO DISCUSSIONS A LOT ABOUT, HEY, IT RAINED FOR 20 MINUTES, AND THIS PARTICULAR SYSTEM OVERFLOWED. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. I JUST WANTED TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT INTENSITY MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT OUR SYSTEM CAN HANDLE OVER ANY GIVEN DURATION. WE HAD A RAINFALL EVENT IN EARLY JUNE THAT WAS ABOUT 2.5 INCHES OVER 20 MINUTES. THAT'S A 200-YEAR FLOOD EVENT. SO IT WAS MORE THAN THAT SYSTEM WAS DESIGNED FOR. AND THERE WAS TEMPORARY FLOODING IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. IT CLEARED OUT FAIRLY QUICKLY WITHIN AN HOUR, MORE OR LESS, BUT IT WAS AN INTENSITY THAT OVERWHELMED THE SYSTEM. THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR US TO ILLUSTRATE THAT ANY SYSTEM, WHEREVER YOU ARE IN THE WORLD, HAS ITS LIMITS. SO IF IT RAINS HARD ENOUGH FOR LONG ENOUGH, IT'S GOING TO OVERFLOW, GOING TO BACK UP. OF COURSE, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE MOST POSITIVE MESSAGE BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH YOU AND THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE LIMITS TO EVERY SYSTEM AND WE WANT TO DESIGN FOR A REASONABLE RAINFALL IMPACT. MOVING INTO WHAT WE ARE DOING DEALING WITH THE CHALLENGES WITH THE EQUIPMENT AND PERSONNEL. SINCE MARCH, OUR IN-HOUSE TEAMS HAVE BEEN WORKING SIX DAYS A WEEK? WE'VE BEEN PUTTING IN OVERTIME TO DO ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT SYSTEM IS CLEANED OUT AND OPERATING AT ITS PEAK CAPACITY AFTER LAST YEAR'S INTENSE STORM SEASON. I MENTIONED THE TV TRUCKS EARLIER. WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL THAT HAVE BEEN HELPING US OUT, OUT IN THE FIELD AS WELL. YOU ALL HAVE THANKFULLY APPROVED FOR US SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONTRACTS FOR ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE FUNCTIONS. I THINK THE MOST RECENT OF WHICH WAS THE WEEK BEFORE LAST, FOR ABOUT A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR DITCH GRADING CONTRACT. AND THAT ENSURES THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE RESOURCES FOR THE TASK FOR MAINTENANCE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS AWESOME. GO BACK ONE. WE DEFINITELY HAVE SEEN THE ALL HANDS ON DECK PHILOSOPHY, BUT WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT SIX DAYS A WEEK FOR EMPLOYEES, THAT IS NOW ESSENTIALLY MANDATORY, IS YOUR GOING TO HIT A TIPPING POINT. ADDITIONALLY, WITH GETTING CREWS FROM OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS, HOW LONG DO YOU ANTICIPATE BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE THIS RATE, SLASH, DOING MORE FTEs SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THIS RATE? >> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. IT IS AN ONGOING DISCUSSION INTERNALLY. AT SOME POINT, IT'S REASONABLE FOR US TO TAPER THAT OFF. THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS BURN OUT MY TEAM. I THINK THAT IN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT WHETHER WE NEED MORE FTEs, I THINK THAT WILL -- THAT DISCUSSION WILL BE BROADENED WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR UPDATED SERVICE PLAN OR BUSINESS PLAN AS IT'S SOMETIMES BEEN CALLED. AND WE CONSIDER WHAT LEVELS OF SERVICE REQUIRE WHAT COMMITMENT IN TERMS OF RESOURCES, BOTH BUDGETARY AND FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES. SO AT THIS POINT, WHILE WE ARE UPDATING THAT SERVICE PLAN, I HESITATE TO COMMIT TO SOME OTHER LEVEL OF RESOURCES THAT IS RECURRING UNTIL WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT WE WANT TO GET. >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST TO REMIND US AND THE PUBLIC, THAT PLAN SHOULD BE THAT SERVICE LEVEL ASSESSMENT SHOULD BE DONE -- >> YEAH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING AT LEAST A DRAFT TOWARD THE END OF THIS YEAR, EARLY NEXT YEAR, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT IMPACT WILL HAVE ON THE ASSESSMENT AND WHETHER THAT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED. SO THERE'S GOING TO NEED TO BE SOME TIME BUILT INTO THAT IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE NEXT FISCAL'S TAX ROLL. >>LYNN HURTAK: IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE CONTINUING SIX DAYS A WEEK WORK. >> FOR NOW. FOR NOW. WE MAY TAPE THEY'RE. I WON'T TELL YOU THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE SIX DAYS A WEEK UNTIL THAT SERVICE PLAN IS DONE AND WE KNOW. SO WE'LL HAVE TO PLAY IT BY EAR TO SOME EXTENT ON EXACTLY HOW LONG TO EXTENDS THAT, BUT IT IS AN ONGOING INTERNAL DISCUSSION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. >> YOU DON'T JUST GET A GENERATOR FROM HOME DEPOT TO PUT OUT AT A PUMP STATION. THESE ARE LARGE UNITS. THEY HAVE TO BE DESIGNED. THERE IS A CONSTRUCTION EFFORT EVEN TO HOUSE THEM. IT SHOULD BE ANOTHER 18 TO 24 MONTHS FROM NOW. IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH SUNBELT FOR RENTAL GENERATORS THAT ARE PORTABLE THAT WILL BE DEPLOYED TO THOSE PUMP STATIONS IN THE EVENT OF AN APPROACHING NAMED STORM. SO OUR INTENT IS TO SWITCH OVER TO GENERATOR POWER AND AWAY FROM LINE POWER, BECAUSE IT REMOVES TWO POTENTIAL POINTS OF FAILURE FOR THE POWER SYSTEM THAT ARE AT RISK IN A STORM. THE FIRST IS THE TECO LINE POWER, WHICH IS VULNERABLE TO HIGH WIND EVENTS. AND THEN THE SECOND IS THE TRANSFER SWITCH THAT ORDINARILY WOULD SWITCH POWER TO A GENERATOR FROM LINE POWER WHEN IT GOES DOWN. JUST BUILDING ADDITIONAL RESILIENCE IN A KNOWN APPROACHING EVENT. SECOND TO THAT, ON THE SLIDE ON THE FAR RIGHT, WE HAVE A RAPID RESPONSE TEAM THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO HOUSE IN THE FOREST HILLS EMERGENCY RESPONSE CENTER THAT IS DEDICATED TO STORMWATER PUMP GENERATOR SERVICE. SO THEY'LL MAKE SURE THOSE ARE RUNNING CONTINUOUSLY THROUGHOUT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: AND THE NUMBER OF STORMWATER PUMPS. >> WE HAVE 13 OVERALL. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT 9 OF THEM NEED THIS -- >> THE PORTABLE GENERATOR AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: OF THE PLACES THAT FLOODED IN SOUTH TAMPA, HOW MANY OF THEM FAILED BECAUSE OF A GENERATOR? >> I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY GENERATOR FAILURES IN SOUTH TAMPA. WHERE WE HAD STRUGGLES WITH THEM TENDED TO BE IN -- >>BILL CARLSON: THE REASON WHY I MENTION THAT BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMUNICATION ABOUT GENERATORS AND PEOPLE ON A MICROLEVEL, THE PEOPLE, I KNOW YOUR TEAM KNOWS THIS BECAUSE OUT THERE WITH US, ON A MICROLEVEL, PEOPLE KNOW WHY THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD FAILED OR FLOODED. AND GENERATOR WAS NOT PART OF IT. THERE WAS ONE WASTEWATER SYSTEM THAT'S ALREADY BEING FIXED, BUT BESIDES THAT, IT WAS NOT THAT. AND SO WHEN PEOPLE IN SOUTH TAMPA, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY, I THINK, IF YOU SHOWED A HEAT MAP, THE MAJORITY OF WHERE THE FLOODING OCCURRED, WHEN THEY SEE US TALK ABOUT GENERATORS MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, I THINK THEY LOOK AT IT AND THINK YOU'RE NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT SOLUTIONS FOR SOUTH TAMPA. YOU'RE NOT DOING THAT IN THIS PRESENTATION. I WANT TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT THAT WE NEED TO BE SENSITIVE BECAUSE EVERY POCKET OF EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD FLOODED FOR A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT REASON. YOUR TEAM HAS BEEN GOOD ABOUT CIRCULATING. BUT IN OUR PUBLIC COMMUNICATION, WE NEED TO NOT PRETEND LIKE THERE'S ONE SOLUTION FOR EVERYBODY. >> I UNDERSTAND. WE CERTAINLY WANT THE RIGHT SOLUTION FOR THE RIGHT SITUATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. >> OUR TEAM -- OUR STORMWATER OPERATIONS TEAM DOES ALSO DO SMALL CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. I'VE MENTIONED SOME OF THEM SPECIFICALLY IN FRONT OF YOU ON OUR MONTHLY STORMWATER MAINTENANCE UPDATES. BUT THEY DO SMALLER BUT IMPACTFUL PROJECTS LIKE REPAIRING -- THIS IS A PICTURE ON THE RIGHT OF REPAIR OF INLET TOP. ON THE LEFT IS REPAIRING A GRATE INLET. THEY DO THINGS THAT ARE SMALLER IN SCALE BUT HAVE A BIG IMPACT AND WOULD BE EXPENSIVE TO DEPLOY A CONTRACTOR TO FIX. I WILL MENTION, I PUT ON THIS SLIDE, WE ALSO DO IN-HOUSE PAVING, BUT JUST FOR CLARITY, PAVING IS NOT PART OF THE STORMWATER OPERATIONS TEAM. IT IS PART OF THE TRANSPORTATION OPERATIONS TEAM. IT DOES HAVE AN ANCILLARY BENEFIT OF MORE EFFICIENTLY CONVEYING STORMWATER INTO THE SYSTEM. JUST TO AVOID CONFUSION THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS COUNCIL KEEPS HITTING ON THAT, TOO. >> YES, YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE EMPHASIZE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PAVING BUDGETS. >> I WON'T GO OVER ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT BULLETS, BUT WE HAVE BEEN INCREASING OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH EFFORT, PARTICULARLY OVER THE LAST TWO TO THREE MONTHS. DONE SEVERAL PRESS CONFERENCES OR NEWS INTERVIEWS ON REQUEST. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE FIVE DIFFERENT COMMUNITY STORMWATER RESILIENCE MEETINGS THAT WE HAD SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT THE CITY, ALL DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY. THOSE WERE GOOD OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO HAVE A TWO-WAY CONVERSATION. WE GOT GOOD FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE WHO CAME TO THOSE MEETINGS. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY BROUGHT UP WERE SPECIFIC THAT WE COULD BEGIN INVESTIGATING OR RESPONDING TO RIGHT AWAY. BUT WE WANT TO CONTINUE TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION AS BEST WE CAN. AND APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GET OUT SOME OF THAT SAME INFORMATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, AND IT PROBABLY WASN'T YOUR IDEA. BUT IT'S JUST A COINCIDENCE THAT JUNE 30 THROUGH JULY 15 IS EXACTLY WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL BREAK WAS. ALTHOUGH THESE WERE SPLIT UP AMONG EACH OF THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, WE WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THE DECISION. WE WEREN'T REALLY INVITED, AND SOME OF US WERE OUT OF TOWN. IF THE PUBLIC RELIES ON US, I SPENT THE WHOLE AFTERNOON ON THE PHONE WITH PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THEIR STORMWATER ISSUES. I WORK WITH YOUR TEAM, BUT SOMEBODY MADE THE DECISION TO DO MEETINGS WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL. IT DOESN'T HURT US. IT HURTS THE ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE THE PERCEPTION IN THE PUBLIC IS THAT SOMEBODY WAS TRYING TO EXCLUDE US. IT JUST BUILDS CI TRUST IF WE AE THERE, AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH THEIR MEETINGS. WHOEVER IS MAKING THE DECISION ON THIS, IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA TO EXCLUDE CITY COUNCIL. WE'RE ON THE FRONT LINE. WE'RE TRYING TO PARTNER TOGETHER. I THINK WE'VE WORKED WELL WITH ALL THE TEAMS, STORMWATER AND WASTEWATER, AND WE NEED TO COLLABORATE TO SOLVE THESE. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. >> OF COURSE, WE'VE ADDITIONALLY PUT OUT SEVERAL DIFFERENT SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS. THESE ARE FAIRLY QUICK HITS. THEY DON'T REQUIRE A WHOLE LOT OF RESOURCES ON THE PART OF OUR TEAM TO DO THE COMMUNICATION ITSELF, BUT WHEN YOU ADD UP THE FOLLOWERS OF OUR DIFFERENT CHANNELS, WE HAVE OVER HALF A MILLION FOLLOWERS. OF COURSE, NOT EVERY POST GETS SEEN BY EVERY FOLLOWER, BUT THERE ARE PRETTY LOW-COST WAYS TO CONTINUE GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT OF THE WORK THAT WE ARE DOING. TO THE EXTENT THAT THOSE CAN BE TWO-WAY COMMUNICATIONS, WE MONITOR THOSE COMMENTS AS WELL. SOCIAL MEDIA BEING A SERIES OF ONE-WAY COMMUNICATION AS OPPOSED TO TWO-WAY. OF COURSE, IT HAS ITS LIMITS. WE WOULD WELCOME WHATEVER FEEDBACK PEOPLE HAVE FROM ANY CHANNEL TO BE HONEST. >>BILL CARLSON: JOSH IS NOT HERE. >> HE'S NOT. >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK HE'S DONE A GREAT JOB. I KNOW YOU HAVE VARIOUS PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING GREAT JOB. JOSH AND WHOEVER IS HELPING THEM, THEY ARE GOING NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD AND POSTING THE PICTURES. FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S JUST PRESENTING FACTUAL INFORMATION. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THINGS COMING FROM ABOVE AND STUFF COMING FROM HIM. AND THIS KIND OF INFORMATION, IT'S FACTUAL, LOOK, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE. TECHNICAL QUESTION, SOME PEOPLE ARE WONDERING, OKAY, IF YOU DIG THIS OUT, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT JUMP FROM ONE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ANOTHER ONE REALLY FAST. HOW DO THE NEIGHBORS KNOW THAT YOU ARE FINISHED WITH IT AND IT'S NOT JUST KIND OF A SUPERFICIAL CLEANOUT AND THEN YOU'LL COME BACK LATER AND DIG DEEPER. HOW DO THEY KNOW IT IS AT THE DEPTH THAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR THE FINAL SOLUTION? >> I WOULD SAY IF IT IS IN A SOCIAL MEDIA POST, THAT'S GENERALLY AT THE FINISHED STAGE. THEY ARE WELCOME TO CALL AND ASK IF THEY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER SOMETHING IS FINISHED. WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE LIKE A PROACTIVE, WE'LL GO TO EVERY HOUSE ALONG THIS DITCH AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE STARTING OR WE'RE ENDING. BUT WHEN WE DO PUT IT OUT THERE, THAT'S GENERALLY A GOOD SIGNAL. >>BILL CARLSON: I'VE BEEN OUT TO SITES LIKE THIS WITH JOSH AND THE TEAM, AND IT'S HARD WORK. LIKE I SAID, THERE'S STUFF, NOT THIS ADMINISTRATION'S FAULT, BUT THERE'S MAINTENANCE THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN DECADES. THERE ARE TREES GROWING OUT OF THESE. THERE ARE BUSHES. IT'S HARD WORK GOING IN, AND YOU CAN'T REACH ALL OF IT WITH A MACHINE. PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS BY HAND. JUST CLEARING OUT ALL THAT IS A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT. BUT THEN THE NEXT QUESTION PEOPLE HAVE, WELL, IS THAT THE DEPTH THAT THE DITCH IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE FINAL FORM. SO IF THERE WAS SOME WAY TO COMMUNICATE MAYBE NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD OR SOMETHING, TO SAY, HEY, YEAH, THIS WAS OUR GOAL. WE ACCOMPLISHED THIS, AND NOW THIS IS KIND OF DONE AND WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT AREA. >> SURE. I APPRECIATE THAT. I KNOW YUAN HAS A SLIDE COMING UP THAT SHOWS OUR NEWLY PUBLISHED AS OF LAST THURSDAY WORK ORDER, COMPLETED WORK ORDER MAP. AND SIMULTANEOUS TO THAT OR SIDE BY SIDE EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE AN UPCOMING WORK ORDER MAP. THAT WILL BE ONE ADDITIONAL PLACE. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AS INTERACTIVE LIKE FACE TO FACE WITH THE COMMUNITY, BUT IT IS A TOOL THAT WE'RE ADDING TO THAT TOOLBOX OF COMMUNICATING WITH THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT WE'RE DOING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. LOOKING AT THE SLIDES THAT YOU HAVE POSTED ON THE DITCH, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS BEFORE. THEN IN THE WHITE IS THE AFTER. IT'S ALL GRAVEL 37 I WAS LOOKING, TALKING TO SOMEONE IN THE CITY WHO LIVES NEAR ONE OF THESE AND SHE WAS SHOWING ME PICTURES JUST NOW RECENTLY BEFORE WE STARTED THE CONVERSATION TODAY, THAT WHAT WE DID NOT TOO LONG AGO, A FEW DAYS AGO, STARTED TO FILL IN BECAUSE THERE'S NO RIPRAP. DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO. YOU JUST CLEANED IT OUT. BY THE TIME YOU CLEANED IT OUT, IT RAINED, SO IT CAME BACK AGAIN. THAT'S A PROBLEM THAT WE'RE FACING, THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A TEAM AND FOLLOW-UP TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T CONTINUOUSLY HAPPEN. IT'S NOT YOU OR THE SYSTEM. WATER WEIGHS ALMOST 9 POUNDS A GALLON. IT HAS A LOT OF POWER TO IT. AND WHEN THAT WATER MOVES, IT CAN TAKE ANYTHING AWAY WITH IT, INCLUDING A TREE OR A HUMAN BEING WHATEVER. IF WE CAN DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND AT THE SAME TIME THEY FINISH CLEANING IT, DO SOMETHING TO SUSTAIN THAT FROM FALLING BACK INTO ITSELF, THAT WOULD BE CERTAINLY MOST HELPFUL, NOT ONLY TO THE TAXPAYERS, BUT TO THE COFFERS OF THE CITY. >> YEAH, TYPICALLY AFTER WE GRADE, WE'LL DO HYDROSEEDING. OF COURSE, IF THE SEEDING DOESN'T TAKE ROOT BEFORE WE HAVE A LARGE RAIN, THERE COULD BE ISSUES WITH THAT. WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT ANY SORT OF PROCESS IMPROVEMENT THAT WE COULD IMPLEMENT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. >> AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO END WITH, OF COURSE, I MENTIONED WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE. FEW DOZEN PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT IN THE FIELD ON ANY GIVEN DAY. 400,000 OTHER SETS OF EYES THAT I'M SURE THEY ARE NOT ALL OUT IN THE FIELD ON ANY GIVEN DAY EITHER, BUT IT SCALES UP A LOT WHENEVER WE HAVE PEOPLE SEEING THINGS AND BRINGING THEM TO OUR ATTENTION. OUR DIRECT CUSTOMER SERVICE LINE FOR THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT, 813-274-3101. ANSWERED 24 HOURS A DAY. WE HAVE A CALL SERVICE THAT ANSWERS THOSE OVERNIGHT. AND TAMPACONNECT.COM ALSO IS A GREAT PLACE, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT INTERFACE, TOOLS TO UPLOAD PICTURES AND THE LIKE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANKS AGAIN, MR. CHAIRMAN. REALLY APPRECIATE IT. ALSO SOMETHING WE PASSED A LONG TIME AGO, AND THAT'S WHEN THE WATER IS RAINING, AND THE GRATE WHERE THE WATER GOES INTO THE SEWER LINE, I'VE SEEN, AND I'M SURE ALL OF US HAVE AND PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WATCHING ON TV HAVE SEEN INDIVIDUALS, NOT ONLY HOMEOWNERS, BUT PEOPLE THAT WORK ON DOING LAWNS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, CUTTING TREES DOWN, SHOVING THAT STUFF INTO THE SEWER LINE. I'VE SEEN IT, THE PUBLIC HAS SEEN IT. WE'VE ALL SEEN IT. THERE IS A LAW PASSED BY OTHER CITY COUNCILS. THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING DONE TO PROHIBIT THIS THING. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE IN ANY WAY. WE HAVE TO CLEAN UP. IT'S GOT TO STOP. WE HAVE TO PUT THEM PEOPLE IN LINE. I THINK THE FINE IS A HUNDRED DOLLARS OR SOMETHING. BUT IT'S GOT TO STOP. WE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH IT ANY LONGER. >> SURE, YEAH. THERE ARE MULTIPLE ISSUES WITH THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO SORT OF FIGHT AGAINST FOR SURE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THERE WAS A NUMBER THEY COULD CALL. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY CALLED. IN FACT, I EVEN FORGET THE NUMBER. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, IT WAS PASSED SOMETIME BACK. >> THEY CAN CERTAINLY CALL OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE LINE AND GET THEM IN THE RIGHT PLACE. 274-3101. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I GOT IT. >> BUT NOW YOU HAVE TO DIAL 813. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO LONGER 1 -- >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE ALL HAD TO REMEMBER PHONE NUMBERS? I DON'T KNOW A LOT OF NUMBERS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO MEMORIZE THEM. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I CAN TELL YOU MY NUMBER FROM MIDDLE SCHOOL, HIGH SCHOOL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID YOU HAVE TO CRAWL UP A TELEPHONE POLE? >>BILL CARLSON: YOU KNEW THE NAME OF THE OPERATOR CONNECTING YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALEXANDER GRAHAM BELL HELP YOU OUT WITH THAT? >>BILL CARLSON: IN ADDITION TO THIS THAT YOU WERE SHOWING TAMPA CONNECT AND IT'S GREAT IF CONSTITUENTS CAN GO DIRECTLY THERE, BUT WHEN THEY E-MAIL US, WE FORWARD IT TO AN E-MAIL, I WON'T SAY UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO, BUT AN E-MAIL ADDRESS YOU GIVE US. ASSUMING WE'RE STILL ALLOWED TO USE THAT, I WANT TO SAY THAT WORKS REALLY WELL. >> YEAH, IT IS THE SAME TEAM. >>BILL CARLSON: BRIAN I THINK AND OTHERS. THEY RESPOND, LIKE PEOPLE RESPOND 24/7 TO THAT. IT IS A LOT FASTER THAN IT COULD BE BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE REALLY GOOD AT RESPONDING. PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS LIKE THE ANSWERS BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE SOLUTION IS FAR OFF. AND I APPRECIATE EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE ARE UPSET, SOMETIMES AT THE ANSWER, I THINK THEY APPRECIATE AN HONEST ANSWER. IF YOU SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIX IT FOR THREE YEARS OR SOMETHING, THEY'LL GET MAD BUT AT LEAST THEY KNOW YOU'RE NOT JUST DRAGGING THEM ALONG, SO THAT'S GOOD. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK IS, AS WE LOOK AT THIS, IS THERE A WAY TO LOOK AT IT LIKE WITH HEAT MAPS, LOOK SITE BY SITE. MY NEIGHBORHOOD, BAYSHORE BEAUTIFUL, FIVE OR SIX PLACES THAT FLOODED. I KNOW YOUR TEAM HAS SHOWN MAPS BEFORE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. WE ALSO HAD THE DATA ON INSURANCE CLAIMS WHICH I THINK YOU ALL DON'T WANT TO PUBLISH. IF WE HAVE THAT -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO ASSIGN A PROJECT NUMBER BY HEAT MAP. BUT IT'S EASIER FOR ME TO THINK ABOUT IT SPATIALLY THAN JUST, OH, WE DUG THAT DITCH AND DUG THAT DITCH. IF YOU SAID LIKE IN PROJECT 3, WHICH WE COULD SEE ON A MAP, WE'VE DREDGED THE DITCH. WE'VE GOTTEN THE CROSS DITCH AND DONE SOMETHING ELSE. NOW WE HAVE DONE 3 OUT OF THE 10 THINGS WE NEED TO DO, IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR US TO TRACK WHAT THE STATUS OF IT IS. >>JOHN BENNETT: JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF. I HAVE WORKED WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND T & I. I THINK LATER IN THE PROGRAM TONIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A BETA OF THAT MAP THAT WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU AND THE PUBLIC. T & I IS STANDING BY AND CAN FLIP THE SCREEN AND SHOW YOU. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. PEOPLE THINK IN PICTURES. THE WORK ORDERS ORGANIC IN WAYS OF POPULATING THE MAP. AGAIN, THE TEAM IS TRYING TO GET MORE SITUATIONAL AWARENESS TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHERE THEIR RESOURCES ARE GOING AND THE OUTPUTS. >>BILL CARLSON: I COULD GO THROUGH EXAMPLES. EVEN TWO BLOCKS AWAY, THE CONDITIONS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. HELPING PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE IN THEIR PARTICULAR SITUATION IS REALLY HELPFUL. ALSO, IS THERE SOME STRATEGY, AGAIN, IF YOU LOOKED ON A HEAT MAP BASIS, IS THERE SOME STRATEGY LIKE IN HIGH-RISK AREAS THAT ARE LOWER, LIKE THE COACHMAN AREA, FOR EXAMPLE, IS THERE SOME STRATEGY THAT WE COULD IMPLEMENT THAT WOULD PROMOTE LIKE RAIN GARDENS OR PERMEABLE PARKING, PERMEABLE DRIVEWAYS, TREE BOXES, BIOSWALES. ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE HOMEOWNERS TO DO OR EVEN INCENTIVIZE THEM TO DO THAT WOULD HELP REDUCE THE WATER. I MENTIONED LAST WEEK THE EXAMPLE ON MY STREET WHERE YOU ALL PUT PERMEABLE ASPHALT WHERE THE WATER PONDED. THAT'S COMPLETELY SOLVED THE PROBLEM. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE SOLUTION. SO MAYBE ON CITY PROPERTY WE COULD DO SOME THINGS, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE ALSO WE COULD ENCOURAGE SOME HOMEOWNERS, HEY, IF YOU ARE IN A PLACE WHERE THE WATER PONDS, CAN YOU PUT PERMEABLE SOMETHING IN THAT PLACE? >> I'M SURE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES. RIGHT NOW, WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BEING UNDER REVIEW, MAYBE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE. I'LL CERTAINLY TALK TO MS. FEELEY TO SEE IF THERE IS. IF NOT, I'M SURE THERE ARE -- >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU COME UP WITH AN IDEA, I KNOW OTHER CITIES, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE HOT SPOTS WE KNOW THAT ARE FLOODING, THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS BUILT IN LOW PLACES. WE KNOW THEY ARE ALWAYS GOING TO FLOOD. IN ONE CASE, IT WASN'T THAT THE GENERATOR FAILED. IT WAS THAT THE PUMP WASN'T STRONG ENOUGH TO PUSH THE WATER OUT BECAUSE THE SEA WAS COMING IN ALSO. SURGE IS A WHOLE OTHER ISSUE WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT. IT WOULD HELP IF WE COULD LOOK AT MINISYSTEM BY MINISYSTEM AND GO IN AND IF WE HAD LIKE MINI-GRANTS OR SOMETHING AND SAY, HEY, IF YOU COULD CHANGE YOUR DRIVEWAY TO PERMEABLE DRIVEWAY AND GET ENOUGH OF YOUR NEIGHBORS TO DO IT, MIGHT HELP. OR MAYBE YOU COULD PUT SOME OTHER KIND OF NATURAL SOLUTION THAT WOULD BE A BARRIER TO FLOODING. >> SURE. I BELIEVE IF THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT COULD IMPACT THEIR RATE THAT THEY PAY IN TERMS OF OUR ASSESSMENT AS WELL. THERE MAY BE A BUILT-IN INCENTIVE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, SIR. SORRY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK BRANDON IS READY TO HAND THAT MICROPHONE OFF. >>JOHN BENNETT: COUNCIL, I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAKE, WE HAVE A 60% HIGHER CHANCE OF A STORM SCENES THAN WE DID IN A NORMAL SEASON. I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR RECOGNIZING THE FTE CHALLENGES THAT ARE REALLY NOT SUSTAINABLE IN THE END. BUT WE CAN ONLY GET CAPACITY FROM THREE OPTIONS. EITHER MORE FTEs, MORE OVERTIME OR MORE CONTRACTING WORK. AS YOU SEE THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, IT IS A SUSTAINABLE MODEL BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE RESPONDING TO, WE HAVEN'T EVEN REACHED THE MIDPOINT OF THE SEASON WHICH IS TYPICALLY RIGHT AROUND SEPTEMBER 10. WE KNOW MOST OF OUR INCIDENTS REALLY GO BEYOND THAT, EXCEPT FOR THE FEW ANOMALIES WE HAD IN EARLY AUGUST YEARS AGO. AGAIN, IN THAT PREPARATION, YOU SEE THE SURGE, HOPEFULLY, AGAIN, WE PLANE OFF AND FIGURE THIS OUT AS THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, HOW WE INCREASE FREQUENCY IN HOT SPOTS AND MAINTAIN IN THE NORMAL STATE. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. HAND IT OFF TO THE NEXT ONE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HELLO. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. YUAN LI STORMWATER ENGINEER MANAGER. REGARDING OUR TEAM, I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE HAVE A GOOD NUMBER OF REGISTERED PROFESSIONALS IN FLORIDA, AS BRANDON HAS MENTIONED. AND ALSO, I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT EVEN OUR OPERATIONS STAFF PROGRESSED THEIR CAREER FOLLOWING STRINGENT TRAINING AND TESTING METRICS. BESIDES A HIGHLY SKILLED AND RESPONSIVE TEAM, WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE TWO DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCES TO PERFORM STORMWATER ACTIVITIES. SERVICE ASSESSMENT HAS EXISTED SINCE 2003 TO SUPPORT OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE. AND YOU HAVE HEARD OUR STORMWATER CHALLENGES. OUR SYSTEM IS AGING AND SOMETIMES INADEQUATE. THAT'S WHY THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT KICKED IN IN 2016 TO SUPPORT MUCH-NEEDED UPGRADES TO OUR SYSTEM. WE WANT TO THANK COUNCIL FOR APPROVING BOTH ASSESSMENTS LAST WEEK. SINCE THE HURRICANES LAST YEAR, AGENCIES ACROSS THE REGION HAVE RECEIVED MANY MAINTENANCE RELATED QUESTIONS. SO WE WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY HOW OUR CURRENT SERVICE LEVELS WERE DETERMINED. CITY OF TAMPA STORMWATER SYSTEM IS OPERATED UNDER NPDES, PERMIT, STANDARD INSPECTION AND MAINTENANCE PURPOSES PER -- TO MAKE SURE THE STORMWATER SYSTEM PROPERLY FUNCTION. MOST AGENCIES FOLLOW THIS STANDARD TO ALLOCATE THEIR RESOURCES AND ALSO KEEP IN MIND, THIS ALSO HOW WE DECIDE THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT RATES. SO OVER THE YEARS, TAMPA TEAM HAS BEEN STRIVING TO IMPROVE OUR EFFICIENCY AND MAXIMIZE OUR RESOURCES AND HAVE EXCEEDED THE STANDARD IN SOME CATEGORIES, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS TABLE. AND ALSO, AS BRANDON MENTIONED BEFORE, WE TAKE ADDITIONAL PROACTIVE APPROACH. WE DO THE PRE- AND POST-STORMWATER CHECKS, STORMWATER HOT SPOTS TO MAKE SURE THE SYSTEM PROPERLY FUNCTION BEFORE AND AFTER THE STORMS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE DITCHES. WE LIVE IN A TROPICAL AREA WHERE TROPICAL GROWTH OCCURS AT THE BLINK OF AN EYE. I WOULD THINK, WE SEE -- WE ALL SEE IT JUST IN OUR YARDS. YOU TRIM STUFF BACK AND THREE WEEKS LATER, EVERYTHING HAS GROWN BACK. IT'S CRAZY THAT A DITCH CYCLE CAN BE ON A TEN YEAR, EVEN SEVEN YEAR SCHEDULE, HOW QUICKLY NATURE OVERCOMES OUR MAN-MADE RESOURCES. THIS REGULATED OBLIGATED SERVICE LEVEL JUST COMES FROM THE TAMPA PERMIT. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT A STATE OR NATIONAL STANDARD. >> PRETTY MUCH IS A NATIONAL STANDARD. BASED UPON THE CLEAN WATER ACT BY EPA AND THE STATE FDEP IS BASICALLY -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD THINK WE HAVE TO RESET THIS FOR OUR OWN STANDARDS BECAUSE OF LIVING IN A TROPICAL ENVIRONMENT WHERE THINGS GROW AT AN EXTRAORDINARILY RAPID RATE AND VEGETATION TAKES BACK OVER SO QUICKLY, MOTHER NATURE RECLAIMS ITSELF. WORTHY OF REEVALUATING THAT. EVEN 7-YEAR CYCLE SEEMS UNREALISTIC TO KEEP UP WITH THE PONDS. -- PONDS 3-YEAR CYCLE BUT DITCHES 7-YEAR CYCLE. >> THAT IS A VERY GOOD OBSERVATION. BECAUSE LOOKING FORWARD, THE REGULATORY STANDARD IS BEING ENHANCED, IS ON THE HORIZON ALREADY. SO WE WILL WORK WITH COMMUNITIES TO FURTHER IMPROVE OUR SERVICES. >> IF I CAN ADD AS WELL, OUR MOWING CYCLE IS A 28-DAY MOWING CYCLE. THERE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT EXPECTATION ON MOWING AS OPPOSED TO RE-GRADING THE DITCH. OTHER VEGETATION THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEARED OUT, MAYBE THERE IS A CONVERSATION TO BE HAD. FOR CLARITY, OUR MOWING CYCLE IS 28. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE MOW THE DITCHES EVERY 28 DAYS. >> YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COMPLETELY. HOW DO WE END UP WITH TREES IN THE DITCHES? >> I DON'T KNOW. I'D HAVE TO LOOK CASE BY CASE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I SEE PALMETTO TREES IN THE DITCHES. I SEE MANGROVES GROWING IN DITCHES. THOSE DIDN'T OCCUR IN 28 DAYS. >> I THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO LOOK AT A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS WHEN WE DO SEE THAT, WHAT MAY HAVE GONE WRONG OR THINGS WE MIGHT NEED TO RECONSIDER. I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE PLANT THEM THAT YOU ARE SEEING. BUT CERTAINLY LOOK AT THEM CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHY PEOPLE CAN CALL THE NUMBER 24 HOURS. PEOPLE CAN CALL THAT NUMBER, RIGHT, IF THEY SEE A TREE. >> CORRECT. >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST WANTED TO CLOSE THAT LOOP. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I WANTED TO THANK YOU AND JEFF AND OTHERS FOR GOING OUT AND MEETING WITH THE PUBLIC. AS WE SAID BEFORE, AND THANKED YOU ALL, SOMETIMES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE COUNTY HAD THE MEETING. NOT AN EASY CONVERSATION. BUT YOU ALL HELD YOUR OWN AND TALKED TO THE PUBLIC AND STAYED TO THE END. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. FURTHER TO THE QUESTIONS HE WAS ASKING, SOME OF THE AREAS, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN OUT WITH ME AND SEEN SOME OF THE AREAS, I DON'T THINK THE TREES HAVE GROWN WITHIN THE LAST SEVEN YEARS. FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THINK IT'S BEEN DECADES BECAUSE THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING CLEARED IN THOSE AREAS. TO COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK'S POINT, IF IT IS SOMETHING YOU DREDGED AND SOMETHING IS GROWING, SOMEBODY WILL CALL. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE MOVED IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS OR SO AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE BEFORE. MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, OR BRANDON, WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF MAINTENANCE IS BEING DONE NOW, BUT WHY WAS MAINTENANCE NOT DONE FROM 2015 TO LAST YEAR? THERE WAS A NEW TAX PASSED SPECIFICALLY FOR MAINTENANCE, BUT HOW DID -- HOW IS IT THAT HUGE TREES ARE GROWING THAT LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN GROWING THERE FOR DECADES AND BUSHES AND THINGS ARE FILLED IN WITH DIRT AND INFRASTRUCTURE IS CRACKED. HOW WAS ALL OF THAT NOT ADDRESSED? WAS IT NOT A PRIORITY? WERE YOU GUYS UNDERSTAFFED? WAS IT NOT A DIRECTIVE? SORRY IF THAT IS TOO POLITICAL OF AN ANSWER. THESE ARE THE KIND OF QUESTIONS THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW SO WE CAN HELP PREVENT IT IN THE FUTURE. HOW DO WE CREATE A POLICY THAT GOES PAST ADMINISTRATION SO THAT WE MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THIS CORRECTLY? >> TAMPA HAS BEEN, FOR THE MOST PART, TRYING TO MEET THIS ONLINE -- THE REQUIREMENTS. AND THIS IS A TEN-YEAR CYCLE. I KNOW A LOT OF COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN DOING A BETTER JOB, AND WE ARE IN THE SAME CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING THAT COUNCIL HAS APPROVED FOR THE GRADING, FOR EXAMPLE. WE KNOW CERTAIN AREAS WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB. WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITIES TO FURTHER ENHANCE OUR SERVICES. >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S WHY, BRANDON, WHEN YOU ALL CREATE THE PROJECT LIST OR HEAT MAP PROJECT LIST, IF YOU HAVE THAT, IT WOULD HELP TO KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, CONCORDIA. SOMEBODY LOOKING TO MOVE IN PULLED UP THEIR AREA AND SAW, HEY, THERE IS A CHECKLIST OF TEN THINGS AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DONE IN 20 YEARS, THEN THEY MIGHT SAY, OH, WAIT, I NEED TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THIS. BUT EVEN NOW, INSTEAD OF FOLKS HAVING TO CALL US TO ASK US IF IT SAID, WELL, HERE ARE THE TEN THINGS WE NEED TO DO, AND WE'VE DONE FIVE OF THEM, WE STILL NEED TO DO THE OTHER FIVE BUT LOOK AT THE PROGRESS WE MADE. GET CREDIT FOR WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE, BUT THEN ALSO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT WHAT ELSE WE NEED TO DO. TO BE FAIR, YOU'RE TRYING TO HIT A LOT OF AREAS AT THE SAME TIME. IF YOU CAN HELP A LOT OF AREAS AND THEN COME BACK AND FINISH. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS YOUR STRATEGY OR NOT. BUT JUST SO WE CAN LET PEOPLE KNOW WHERE WE ARE. >> I WOULD SAY ON THAT WORK ORDER MAP, SHE'S GOT IT UP NOW, THERE PROBABLY WILL BE SOME REFINEMENT THAT HAPPENS TO THAT OVER TIME. HOW WE SORT IT VERSUS IN A CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD OF ONE WORK TYPE VERSUS ANOTHER, WE MAY BE ABLE TO BUILD ADDITIONAL TOOLS TO LOOK FOR THE INSIGHTS THAT EXACTLY YOU ARE SUGGESTING. >>BILL CARLSON: THE PROJECTS ARE EVEN ON A MORE MICROBASIS. COACHMAN, THE ISSUES WERE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN CONCORDIA AND THREE BLOCKS AWAY. KNIGHTS IS LIKE THREE BLOCKS AWAY AND COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ISSUE THAN THE OTHER TWO. HARBOR VIEW. SO WE'VE GOT LIKE FOUR OR FIVE WITHIN A FEW BLOCKS OF EACH OTHER AND ALL OF THEM HAVE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONDITIONS. SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL ON THAT REAL MICROLEVEL TO SHOW, AND MAYBE IF YOU HIT ON THE DOTS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A PROJECT THAT KNIGHTS AREA AND MAYBE IT SHOWS THE ADDRESS FROM HERE TO HERE AND HARBOR VIEW, SAME THING. CONCORDIA IS COMPLICATED BECAUSE IT'S A LARGE AREA. SO FOLKS CAN KNOW, OKAY, JUST IN OUR AREA, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. >> WE CAN WORK TOWARD THAT. THIS MAP ITSELF IS SCALABLE. YOU CAN ZOOM IN AND SEE WITH A LITTLE MORE PRECISION WHERE WE HAVE DONE WORK. I THINK THEY ARE ALL STILL JUST DOTS. I THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DEFINE THE LIMITS OF THOSE PARTICULAR WORK ORDERS A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY. THIS IS LIKE CHIEF BENNETT MENTIONED, IT'S KIND OF IN A BETA PHASE. IT IS PUBLISHED. THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS. SO IT'S AVAILABLE FOR USE NOW ON OUR WEBSITE. BUT, AGAIN, HAPPY TO TAKE ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR REFINEMENT AND TRY TO WORK THROUGH WHAT TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT IT MIGHT HAVE FOR T & I TEAM. >>BILL CARLSON: THE OTHER THING, TO AND FRO WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE VERSUS MAINTENANCE. IN EACH OF THE LITTLE AREAS, THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO GO IN LIKE CONCORDIA, A CULVERT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. THAT IS INFRASTRUCTURE. IT IS NOT A HUGE WATERSHED INFRASTRUCTURE. I THINK WE NEED TO SEPARATE HOT SPOT PROJECTS THAT HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAINTENANCE VERSUS BIG WATERSHED INFRASTRUCTURE AS A SEPARATE THING, BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THESE AREAS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO RIGHT DOWN THE LINE. MIRANDA MANISCALCO THEN HURTAK. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALONG THE SAME LINES, CURRENT TARGETED LEVELS, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT WILL BE HELD TO THAT, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE EMERGENCIES, DIFFERENT THINGS, THAT DOESN'T MEAN -- YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO FIX WHATEVER IS THERE. BUT I REMEMBER BACK IN 2014, SOMEBODY SAID ABOUT MOWING, I THINK THE MOWING CONTRACT, THE CITY DIVIDED IT INTO FOUR QUARTERS, AND THAT MOWING COMPANY, WHOEVER WINS THE CONTRACT, DOES IT 28 DAYS HERE, WHATEVER, 30, WHATEVER IT IS, AND THEN YOU GO AROUND TO THE NEXT ONE, THE NEXT ONE, THE NEXT ONE. AFTER YOU FINISH THE FIRST ONE, THERE IS SUPPOSED TO BE, IF I REMEMBER WHAT I WAS TOLD, SUPERVISOR FOLLOWS ALL THE THINGS DONE AND THEN THEY GET PAID. AM I CORRECT? >> YEAH, WE WOULD GENERALLY INSPECT THE WORK. MIGHT HAVE TO DIG INTO SPECIFICS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER FROM 2014. THAT WAS DONE, AND THE REASON I CHECKED, I THINK 2014 WAS A YEAR THAT THEY -- THAT THE NEW FIRE STATION WAS BUILT IN SOUTH TAMPA, WAY AT THE END, THE NEW ONE. AND IT RAINED LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT THAT DAY. I WAS DRIVING MY LITTLE OLD VOLKSWAGEN BUG AND I DIDN'T WANT TO GET STUCK IN THE RAIN. I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD AND I TURNED TO TURN AROUND BECAUSE I PASSED IT. WHEN I LOOKED, THERE WERE INDIVIDUALS WORKING ON THE DITCH, BIG DITCH, HALF THE SIZE OF THIS ROOM IN DEPTH. AND THEY HAD A SPECIAL TOOL THAT THEY HAD A MACHINE TO CUT ON BOTH SIDES AND THEY WERE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB. REGISTERED IN MY MIND. ABOUT TWO MONTHS LATER, I'M JUDGING HORSE RACING FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND I SEE A PICKUP TRUCK WITH ABOUT EIGHT GUYS IN THE BACK WITH WEED EATER. WHAT IS A WEED EATER DOING WITH THIS? SO I FOLLOWED THEM AROUND. WHEN I SAW THEY WERE CUTTING A DITCH WITH WEED EATERS I SAID I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT. WEEK AND A HALF TO GO WITH THAT MACHINE INSTEAD OF FIVE HOURS. WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? SOONER OR LATER, WHOEVER HAD THE JOB, WAS RELIEVED OF DUTY. NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID. THEY SAW THE SAME THING I DID. THEY RELIEVED THAT LOW BIDDER OUT AND BROUGHT IN THE ONE WHO HAD IT BEFORE TO CLEAN IT OUT AND CONTINUE DOING THE JOB. WHAT I'M SAYING IS EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE, NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE. HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING ON A DAILY BASIS. WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW IS GREAT. YOU SEEM TO HAVE THE ASPECT AND CONTROL OF WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN. DEPENDS ON NATURE NOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN. WE'RE STUCK IN THE MIDDLE WAITING FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN TO SEE IF THE LOGISTICS AND THE WORK THAT YOU FOLKS HAVE DONE IS GOING TO BE HELD TO WHATEVER IS COMING. RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A HURRICANE HEADING THIS WAY. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HIT THE U.S. IT MAY TURN. BY SATURDAY IT SHOULD BE OVER HUNDRED MILES AN HOUR COMING OFF THE COAST OF AFRICA. IT'S GOING TO RUSH PAST PUERTO RICO. HOPEFULLY THE WINDS WILL TAKE IT BACK NORTH. THAT'S WHAT I SAW JUST BEFORE I CAME HERE. I'M NOT A WEATHERMAN. LET ME SAY THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IN REGARDS TO THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT, I KNOW THAT IT WAS, FOR THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT, WE INCREASED -- WE VOTED TO INCREASE THE FUNDING. MAYBE IT WAS 2015. MAYBE IT WAS 2016. I KNOW THAT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT, THE BIGGER ONE WAS SEPTEMBER 1, 2016. THERE HAS BEEN A HISTORIC LACK OF MAINTENANCE. I'M TALKING ABOUT BEFORE. LET'S TALK ABOUT PRE-2016. BUT SINCE THEN WITH THE NEW CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ONE, YOU KNOW, IT TOOK TIME TO BUILD UP THE MONEY TO START THE PROJECTS. IT WASN'T WE VOTED ON IT THURSDAY AND FRIDAY WE'RE GOING OUT THERE AND THEN WE'RE BONDING AND FINANCING AND EVERYTHING. THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT THAT WAS EXISTING WAS FROM 2003. IT MAY HAVE BEEN UNDER THE IORIO ADMINISTRATION. I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS THE END OF GRECO OR BEGINNING OF IORIO. THAT ALLOWED US TO GET TO THIS MAYBE TEN-YEAR CYCLE, WHAT I SEE AND WHAT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO DO. WELL, ALMOST A DECADE HAS PASSED AND WE HAVE MONEY TO DO BIGGER PROJECTS. YOU'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT WAS LAKE HENDERSON AND CYPRESS STREET OUTFALL AND THE SUCCESSES OF THAT. BUT THE MAINTENANCE HAS BEEN IGNORED FOR SO LONG, PEOPLE ASK ME, AS WAS MENTIONED THERE IS A TREE GROWING HERE. I CAN TAKE YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ONE DAY, SOME ARE COUNTY ROADS, SOME ARE CITY ROADS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STORM DRAINS, I WANT TO REACH IN AND I SHOULDN'T AND CLEAN OUT. YOU HAVE PALM LEAFS. YOU HAVE STUFF GROWING OUT LIKE NO WONDER IT DOESN'T DRAIN. A GENTLEMAN LIVES IN BEACH PARK IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE, AN OLD-STYLE STORM DRAIN. IT FILLS UP WITH LEAFS, JUST THE ENTRANCE. THE WHOLE STREET FLOODS. HE'LL GO OUT THERE WITH A RAKE, RAKE OVER THAT GRILL-STYLE INLET AND THE WATER JUST SHOOTS DOWN. IF YOU LOOK AT IT YOU THINK WE'LL HAVE TO DIG UP THIS WHOLE STREET AND DO A BOX CULVERT. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE LEAFS OR THE DEBRIS WAS CLOGGING THAT DRAIN. MAINTENANCE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. IT'S JUST LIKE A CAR. I USE THIS EXAMPLE, I HAVE TERRIBLE ANALOGIES, BUT YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH YOUR CAR AND YOU THINK IT IS A $500 REPAIR. DO YOU SIT THERE AND GO, I'VE GOT TO BUY A BRAND-NEW CAR. NO, YOU INVEST THAT $500 AND MAINTAIN IT TO KEEP IT GOING, WHATEVER. SAME APPLIES TO THE MAINTENANCE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, BECAUSE OF THE ASSESSMENTS, WE ARE ABLE TO INCREASE THE CYCLES AND LEVEL OF SERVICE. STILL, IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH. WHAT IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE NEED TO BE OUT THERE, INSTEAD OF SEVEN YEARS, WE DO IT EVERY YEAR. WE DO IT RIGHT BEFORE HURRICANE SEASON. INSTEAD OF THREE YEARS, WE REDUCE IT. THAT IS ANOTHER DISCUSSION. GOING TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE. IN THE MEANTIME WHAT I'VE SEEN AND WHAT YOU'VE SHOWN, SIX DAYS A WEEK, THE CREWS ARE WORKING, I SEE THE SOCIAL MEDIA AND I SEE THEM OUT THERE DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WORK IS BEING DONE, ALBEIT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE YEARS AGO BECAUSE THAT DAY OF THE HURRICANE COMING THROUGH THAT WE WERE WAITING FOR, THOSE DAYS HAPPENED LAST YEAR. WE GOT LUCKY SO MANY TIMES, SO MANY CLOSE CALLS. I THOUGHT IRMA WAS GOING TO BE IT IN 2017. VERY LUCKY. LAST YEAR, IT WAS A WAKE-UP CALL TO EVERYBODY. MAINTENANCE IS THE BIGGEST THING. YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN SOUTH TAMPA. YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN FOREST HILLS, WHETHER IT IS PUMP FAILURE, WHETHER IT'S DEBRIS, WHETHER IT'S CLOGGED PIPES. I THINK YOU'LL SEE A MAJOR DIFFERENCE IF WE PROPERLY MAINTAIN OUR SYSTEM. BEFORE WE GO INTO BIG CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, I UNDERSTAND LIKE HENDERSON AND DALE MABRY IS A DIFFERENT STORY. THAT'S MASSIVE. THAT IS A PROJECT THAT BEFORE I VOTED FOR THE ASSESSMENT, I TALKED TO SCIENTISTS. I TALKED TO ENGINEERS. PEOPLE THAT I KNOW AND I ASKED THEM, ARE THEY JUST PULLING MY LEG? IS THIS GOING TO WORK? WE SPECIFICALLY STUDIED THE TRUNK LINE ON DALE MABRY. A FRIEND WHO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING, THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT. THIS IS HOW IT WORKS. IT HASN'T FLOODED AT HENDERSON AND DALE MABRY LIKE IT USED TO. I USED TO GO TO CHRIST THE KING WHEN I WAS A KID. AS FAR AS I REMEMBER, BIG RAIN AND THAT WOULD BECOME LAKE HENDERSON. LET'S NOT EVEN TALK ABOUT LAKE NEPTUNE. NEPTUNE POND, WHATEVER THEY CALLED IT THERE FARTHER DOWN THE STREET. MAINTENANCE IS THE BIGGEST THING. YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THINGS. SERVICE A WATCH, MAINTAIN A CAR. THINGS WILL LAST IF YOU PROPERLY TAKE CARE OF THEM. WE HAVE TO INVEST IN OUR SYSTEM BY MAINTAINING, BY INCREASING THE LEVELS, WHICH WE'RE DOING. TEN-YEAR CYCLE ON DITCHES, WE'RE DOING SEVEN YEARS. AGAIN, I WISH WE COULD DO EVERY YEAR BEFORE HURRICANE SEASON BEGAN. THAT'S IT. I THINK BY WORKING ON OUR SYSTEM, MAINTAINING, AND DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE WITHOUT HAVING TO SPEND TEN -- HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON TEARING EVERYTHING UP AND MAKING IT WORSE. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK IT'S INTERESTING, CLOSING OUT WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I JUST REMIND EVERYBODY, THIS IS ABOUT 2026 BUDGET, FINANCE. I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF GREAT DISCUSSION HERE, IF WE COULD FOCUS IT BACK DOWN TO ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE HERE TONIGHT FOR '26 IN THE DISCUSSION, THAT WOULD BE GREAT 37 COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU'RE RIGHT, BECAUSE I'M GOING BACK TO THE INTERACTIVE DASHBOARD, WHICH IS A GREAT IDEA. T & I HAD SOMETHING INTERACTIVE TO SHOW US OR NO? >> I KNOW WE HAVE THE SCREEN SHOT? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ROB? >>LYNN HURTAK: IF THERE IS A WAY TO SHOW IT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT USE OF TIME. MAYBE WE CAN TRY AGAIN. THERE HE IS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HI, ROB. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. >> THERE IT IS. SHOW MY SCREEN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE CAN HEAR AND SEE YOU NOW. >> CAN YOU SEE ME? CAN YOU SEE THE SCREEN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, WE CAN. >> FROM TAMPA GOV, IF YOU GO TO THE MOBILITY WEB PAGE, SCROLL DOWN, THERE IS A NEW MAP FOR STORMWATER INTERACTIVE DASHBOARD. CLICK LINK. IT SHOWS WHAT BRANDON AND YUAN WERE SHOWING EARLIER. HERE IS A LIST OF INTERACTIVE MAP UPDATED ON A REGULAR BASIS OF ALL THE CLOSED WORK ORDERS, AND YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, TOTAL COUNT ACROSS THE WHOLE CITY FOR THE LAST 180 DAYS. OVER ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, YOU SEE A LEGEND OF THE DIFFERENT WORK ORDER TYPES. YOU CAN ALSO FOCUS ON DIFFERENT LAYERS OF CITY LIMITS, NEIGHBORHOODS AND SO FORTH. SCROLL IN A LITTLE BIT, YOU CAN ZOOM AROUND. IT'S PRETTY QUICK. OVER ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, YOU HAVE FILTERS. IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK FOR INLET MAINTENANCE, YOU COULD SCROLL DOWN, SELECT INLET MAINTENANCE. YOU CAN SELECT ONE OF THOSE. IT SHOULD POP UP AND TELL YOU WHEN IT WAS COMPLETED. THIS ONE WAS DONE MAY 27th. FROM HERE, YOU CAN COME BACK. YOU CAN SAY RESET OR SELECT ALL. YOU CAN GO OVER TO THE COUNCIL DISTRICT. SELECT YOUR FAVORITE COUNCIL DISTRICT, AND IT WILL FOCUS ON THOSE. IF YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, IT SHOWS YOU THE TOTAL FOR THE COUNCIL DISTRICT. IF YOU GO OVER TO COUNCIL FIVE AND LOOK AT THAT YOU CAN SEE ALL THOSE. THIS IS THE FIRST GENERATION OF THIS. AS BRANDON MENTIONED, WE'RE LOOKING TO INCLUDE THE OPEN WORK ORDERS FOR THE CURRENT WORK LOAD THAT THE TEAM IS DOING. THAT KIND OF CONCLUDES THE DEMO. IT'S PRETTY EASY TO USE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. I STILL HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IT. WHEN YOU CLICK ON ONE OF THEM, ANY OF THEM, THE THING THAT TO ME IS MISSING IS MAYBE AN ADDRESS OR SOME STREET CROSSINGS BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE PARTICULARLY USEFUL. OH, I SEE. BUT HOW FAR DOES THAT GO? I GUESS IS THE QUESTIONS. >> SURE. THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER INFORMATION WE CAN ADD TO THIS. KEEPING IT BASIC FOR THE PURPOSE OF WHAT'S IN OUR WORK ORDER SYSTEM THAT TRACKS THIS. A LOT OF TIMES THEY ARE NOT AN EXACT ADDRESS. MIGHT BE AN INTERSECTION OR CULVERT THAT DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL ADDRESS. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT MAKES SENSE. I APPRECIATE THE SHOWING OF THIS TOOL AND WHAT'S UNDER DESIGN. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY WE CAN CONTINUE A CONVERSATION ABOUT LATER, ESPECIALLY WOULD LOVE THE FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF STICKING WITH THE BUDGET FOR '26, I WILL SAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS FOR LATER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ROB, THIS IS DONE BY IN-HOUSE TECH STAFF, CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S DONE BY OUR GIS TEAM, COUPLED WITH A PERSON ON MY TEAM WHO ACTUALLY SUPPORTS THE WORK ORDER SYSTEM. IT WAS A TEAM EFFORT. BRYAN RODGERS TEAM WAS INVOLVED HEAVILY WITH THIS, HE IS THE MOBILITY OPERATIONS MANAGER. SO A LOT OF INPUT FROM A LOT OF FOLKS AND SOME NAMES ALREADY HEARD MENTIONED HERE. JOSH AS AN EXAMPLE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT, REFERENCE OUR FUNDING AND THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE IN THE GIS DEPARTMENT, ALL THE PROJECTS THEY ARE WORKING ON. YOU CAN SEE REAL-TIME EXAMPLE OF THE PRODUCT THAT THEY ARE CREATING, WHICH I THINK IS INCREDIBLE FOR IN-HOUSE WORK. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, THIS IS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT OR GREAT TOOL THAT FOLKS CAN SEE. JUST USING HOW I THINK THIS TECHNOLOGY WOULD WORK, ONE SOLUTION THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT YOU ALL DROP PROJECTS INTO EACH OF THESE AREAS. I THINK A WAY YOU COULD DO IT IS TO USE THE GIS TO JUST DROP A DIFFERENT COLORED DOT OR A BIGGER DOT IN EACH OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. IN THE FIELD, IF YOU CREATE AN ADDITIONAL FIELD, YOU CAN PUT THE PROJECT STATUS AND PROJECT UPDATE SO THAT THEY CAN SEE THE INDIVIDUAL WORK ORDERS, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW LIKE WITHIN THAT PROJECT WHAT ALL IS ON THE LIST AND WHAT IS INCLUDED TO TRY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF THAT AREA. >> WE ALSO HAVE CIP VIEWER THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO INTEGRATE SOME INFORMATION, BUT EVEN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, THE CIP VIEWER HELPS TO EXPLAIN SOME OF THOSE LARGER PROJECTS AS WELL. I'M SURE THERE ARE REFINEMENT OPPORTUNITIES. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S LITERALLY THE NEXT SLIDE. >>BILL CARLSON: MY POINT IS THE WAY IT'S BEING COMMUNICATED TO THE PUBLIC IS INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS AND MAINTENANCE. BUT THE WAY HOMEOWNERS THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S FLOODING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THERE ARE VARIOUS REASONS WHY IT IS FLOODING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK ONE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS OF THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT, SOMEBODY, PROBABLY NOT ANY OF YOU ALL, BUT SOMEBODY THOUGHT OF IT AS A BIG INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT. INSTEAD, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AS HOW THESE THINGS AFFECT FOLKS. IN CONCORDIA, WE KNOW THAT THE WATER IS COMING FROM FARTHER IN THE WATERSHED AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME BIG INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT, BUT THERE'S SMALLER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN BE PUT IN TO MITIGATE WATER RIGHT NOW. AND FROM THE PUBLIC'S POINT OF VIEW, THERE IS NOT A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAINTENANCE. IF YOU REPLACE A CULVERT IS THAT MAINTENANCE OR IS THAT HARDWARE OR INFRASTRUCTURE? IT'S PROBABLY BOTH. SO THOSE DIVIDING LINES, IF THE DIVIDING LINES ARE BEING USED TO JUSTIFY PROJECTS LIKE SOUTH HOWARD, IT'S MISSING THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY WITH THE PUBLIC. ALL THEY WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT ARE THE SOLUTIONS YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE TO KEEP MY LITTLE AREA FROM FLOODING AND HOW FAR ALONG ARE YOU AND WHEN MIGHT YOU COME BACK TO FIX IT? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THAT IT FROM COUNCIL? CONTINUE. >> OKAY. GREAT DISCUSSION. WE DEFINITELY WELCOME FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND HOW WE CAN HAVE A BETTER WORK TRACKING SYSTEM. AS YOU HAVE SEEN THE COMPLETED WORK ORDER DASHBOARD HAS BEEN POSTED ONLINE AND READY TO USE FOR THE PUBLIC. ALSO THE WORK IN PROGRESS, THAT DASHBOARD IS CURRENTLY BEING TESTED INTERNALLY AND WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC IN THE NEAR FUTURE. SO, CONSIDER THE OPERATIONS AND THE MAINTENANCE AS SOMETHING LIKE PREVENTIVE CARE, JUST USING AN ANALOGY. AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IS LIKE SURGERY. SOME ARE MINOR AND SOME ARE MAJOR TO OUR SYSTEM. ENGINEERING DIVISION HAS BEEN KEEPING A LIST OF 100, BASICALLY THAT IS DOCUMENTING ALL THE FLOODING CONCERN LOCATIONS IN THE CITY. SINCE 2016, THE CITY HAS DEVELOPED ABOUT 40 PROJECTS TO GREATLY REDUCE THAT LIST TO ABOUT HALF AS OF TODAY. SO THIS MAP BASICALLY SHOWS THE MOST RECENT CAPITAL PROJECTS AT VARIOUS PHASES. THE YELLOW STARS ARE THOSE PUMP STATION UPGRADES. INCLUDING ADDING THE PERMANENT GENERATORS AND OTHER ENHANCEMENTS. THAT PROJECT WILL BE ANTICIPATED COMPLETED BY SUMMER 2027. ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF MANY GRANT OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPORT THIS LARGE-SCALE PROJECT. LOOKING FORWARD, ADDITIONAL CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE BEING DEVELOPED AS PART OF THE CITYWIDE WATERSHED MASTER PLANNING. AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT PROTECTION OF THE CITY WILL BE FURTHER INCREASED ONCE THESE PROJECTS ARE IMPLEMENTED. ONE OF THE SUCCESS STORIES YOU'VE SEEN SO MANY TIMES, THE HENDERSON TRUNK LINE PROJECT. IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO IMAGINE WHAT THINGS WOULD LOOK LIKE DURING AND AFTER MILTON IF THIS PROJECT DIDN'T EXIST. ANOTHER SUCCESS STORY, OUTFALL PROJECT. THIS LARGE SCALE REGIONAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ARE LIKE MAJOR SURGERY TO OUR SYSTEM. WE UNDERSTAND THEY ARE VERY IMPACTFUL. THAT'S WHY WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY FROM PLANNING TO DESIGN TO IMPLEMENTATION, AND THEY ARE NEEDED. THEY ARE WORKING TODAY, AND THEY WILL BENEFIT GENERATIONS TO COME. A LOT OF GOOD ONLINE RESOURCES TO TRACK STORMWATER PROJECTS AND ACTIVITIES AS YOU HAVE SEEN HERE. AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE TO LETTING US GO THROUGH THE STORMWATER OVERVIEW BECAUSE WE THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO PROVIDE CONTEXT FOR THE BUDGET TOPICS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. MR. PERRY. >>MICHAEL PERRY: GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, MR. CLENDENIN, MR. CHAIRMAN. MIKE PERRY, REVENUE AND FINANCE. WE'LL GO OVER THE HISTORY OF THE ASSESSMENT. WHERE IS THE CLICKER? JUST THE KEYBOARD. THANK YOU. JUST TO GO OVER THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT. THIS IS ASSESSED CITYWIDE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT. JUST TO PIGGY BACK ON MR. MANISCALCO, THE FIRST ASSESSMENT WAS IN 2000, STARTED IN 2004 AT $12 PER ESU. ESU IS ENVIRONMENTAL STORMWATER UNIT. IT IS THE BASIS ON WHICH THE ASSESSMENT IS ASSESSED. IN 2006, IT WAS RAISED FROM $12 TO $36 PER ESU. AND THEN IN 2016, IT WAS RAISED TO $82 PER ESU WHERE IT CURRENTLY STANDS. YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SEE THAT THE BIG BLUE LINES UP THERE IS THE REVENUE FROM THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT. WE'RE SEEING SOME MODERATE ESU GROWTH, PROBABLY ABOUT 1.2% PER YEAR. IF YOU GO TO -- THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AS PART OF THE DEAL, WHEN WE INCREASE THE ASSESSMENT IN 2015 IS TO MAINTAIN THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND COMMITMENT AT $2 AND WE MAINTAIN THAT THROUGH 2024. AND STARTING IN 2025, INCREASED TO $2.5 MILLION, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, WE PROVIDED ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT WHERE IT STANDS AT $6. IN '26, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE GENERAL FUND PROVIDING $4, AND WE'RE MAINTAINING THE STORMWATER ESU, REVENUES AT $15.5 MILLION. HERE YOU SEE THE REVENUES AND EXPENSES WITH THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT. AGAIN, THIS IS CITYWIDE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE EXPENSES AND THE REVENUES PRETTY WELL MATCH GOING YEAR OVER YEAR. WHENEVER THE EXPENSES EXCEED THE REVENUE, IF Y FUND BALANCE. STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT IS ASSESSED ON THOSE PROPERTIES SOUTH OF FOWLER AVENUE. WE INITIATED THIS ASSESSMENT IN FISCAL YEAR 2017, AND OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS, WE INCREMENTALLY INCREASED THAT UNTIL FISCAL YEAR 2022. THE INITIAL STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT WAS $44.99 PER ESU. WE INCREASED THAT OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS TO $89.55. YOU CAN SEE THAT WHAT WE'VE COVERED AS FAR AS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS SINCE 2019, THE OPERATING $136 MILLION AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, ABOUT $270 MILLION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PAUSE THERE FOR A MOMENT. COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SHOWING THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT HAS BEEN GENERATED SINCE WE FIRST PASSED. THIS IS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT FROM 2016. I'VE TOLD THE STORY BEFORE. I WAS A SWING VOTE ON THAT. IT WAS A TOUGH VOTE. DIFFICULT, TOUGH, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO USE. BUT THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE WAS WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TODAY TO DO MUCH BEYOND A LITTLE BIT OF MAINTENANCE AND SERVICE. AND SO WHEN I LOOK BACK AT THAT VOTE FROM SEPTEMBER 1, 2016, I GOT A LOT OF HEAT. I REMEMBER YEARS LATER, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER HARRY COHEN TOLD ME, NOW A COUNTY COMMISSIONER, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK BACK AND BE GLAD THAT WE SUPPORTED THIS. BECAUSE I COULD HAVE JUST SAID NO AND FOLDED TO THE POLITICAL PRESSURE, BUT IF IT WASN'T FOR THAT, WE WOULD NOT HAVE THIS KIND OF MONEY. BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT CYPRESS STREET OUTFALL, HENDERSON, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED, IT WOULDN'T BE FIXED. I REMEMBER COMPLAINING AS A KID OR AS A TEENAGER GOING, I WISH SOMEBODY WOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE FLOODING. AND THE OPPORTUNITY WAS THERE AND THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN FIXED. MOVING FORWARD, AS I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED IN THE PREVIOUS SEGMENT, IT'S REALLY ABOUT MAINTENANCE. WE HAVE THE MONEY FOR THE BIG PROJECTS, BUT WITH THE MAINTENANCE, I THINK WE CAN REALLY MOVE MOUNTAINS AND SEE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN ADDRESSING OUR FLOODING. I WAS READING AN ARTICLE THAT I PULLED UP FROM THE INTERNET FROM 2016 ABOUT BE KIND TO MOTHER NATURE. YOU CAN'T BEAT MOTHER NATURE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE STORM SURGE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HURRICANES. BUT WE CAN DO THE BEST WE CAN IN MAINTAINING THE SYSTEM AND PROTECTING OUR CITY AND BEING RESILIENT. AGAIN, THE FUNDING IS THERE. I KNOW THAT THE ASSESSMENT HAS NOW MAXED OUT BECAUSE IT WAS GRADUALLY INCREASING FROM 2016 ON, SO PEOPLE'S FEES AREN'T GOING TO GO UP. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE ON THEIR PROPERTY TAXES BUT THIS IS SOMETHING HISTORICAL AND PIPES IS HISTORICAL. THAT IS ANOTHER DISCUSSION. BUT WE JUST HAVE TO -- TAMPA, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY WATER. I TALKED ABOUT THE CREATION OF DAVIS ISLANDS A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. BIG GRASSY KEY AND LITTLE GRASSY KEY. LITTLE NAMES. BUT IT WAS DREDGED AND FILLED. AND IT WAS NOT NATURAL. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY WATER. WE HAVE THIS PENINSULA. WE'RE AT SEA LEVEL IN CERTAIN PLACES. WE TALKED ABOUT THE ELEVATION. BUT, STILL, WE HAVE THE FUNDING TO MAKE MEANINGFUL INVESTMENTS, AND WE HAVE BEEN. WE JUST NEED TO BE SMART GOING FORWARD. I THINK MAINTENANCE WILL GO A LONG WAY. BUT WHEN WE DO NEED TO DO THE BIG PROJECTS AS WE'VE DONE, WE'VE HAD THE FUNDING TO DO SO. THANKS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: AS I RECALL THE PART OF THE CONTROVERSY OF THAT WAS HOW THE TAX WAS MEASURED IN ESUs OR IMPERMEABLE SPACE. VERY OFTEN, WHEN TAXES ARE IMPLEMENTED, THEY HAVE A SOCIAL IMPACT WHERE PEOPLE WILL CHANGE BEHAVIOR, LIKE IF YOU HAVE A CIGARETTE TAX, THE THEORY IS THAT PEOPLE, THERE IS ANEE ALSO ELASTICITY THAT PEOPLE WILL STOP SMOKING OR CHANGE BEHAVIOR. CERTAIN THINGS COST MORE. NOTICING THAT THIS IS GOING UP, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA IF PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE STARTED PUTTING IN PERMEABLE SPACE SO THEY WOULDN'T GET CHARGED? I LOOKED JUST NOW, I THINK THERE ARE MITIGATION CREDITS PEOPLE COULD GET, BUT DO WE KNOW, HAS THERE BEEN ANY ENCOURAGEMENT OF DEVELOPERS TO TRY TO BUILD PERMEABLE SPACE TO OFFSET THE STORMWATER BUT ALSO TO REDUCE THEIR FEES ON THIS? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY NUMBERS ON THAT? >>MICHAEL PERRY: I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. I KNOW THE MITIGATION CREDIT IS GOING UP MODERATELY. >>BILL CARLSON: I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE IF THE TAX REVENUES ARE GOING UP, I THINK WE COULD SEE PRESUME THAT THE IMPERMEABLE SPACE IS GOING UP. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE USE PERMEABLE SPACE TO REDUCE THAT, IF THEY HAD NOT DONE THAT, THE REVENUES MIGHT HAVE BEEN HIGHER. BECAUSE THEY PUT PERMEABLE SPACE, HOPEFULLY IT'S HELPED SOLVE SOME OF THE STORMWATER PROBLEMS TOO. >>MICHAEL PERRY: I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION. >>McLANE EVANS: McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS EITHER. AS MIKE MENTIONED, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO ESSENTIALLY FILE FOR RELIEF ON A 10%, 40%, OR 100% BASIS IF THEY ARE REMOVING THE PERVIOUS AREA FROM THEIR PROPERTY THROUGH THE MITIGATION PROGRAM. SO PRESUMABLY, IF THEY QUALIFIED, THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN APPLYING FOR THAT. AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE SEEN REALLY AN INCREASE IN THAT APPLICATION. >>BILL CARLSON: THAT'S ANOTHER THING GOING BACK TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT A WHILE AGO, MAYBE GET TOGETHER, YOU AND ABBYE AND A COUPLE OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND TALK ABOUT HOW COULD WE COMMUNICATE TO BUILDERS AND OTHERS, PUT A PERMEABLE DRIVEWAY IN INSTEAD OF IMPERMEABLE ONE. YOUR TAX WILL BE LESS. SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT, PREVENT FLOODING IN YOUR OWN YARD IN THE STREET IN FRONT OF YOU. THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME COMMUNICATION WE CAN DO. IT MIGHT REDUCE THE FUNDING IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT MIGHT ALSO PREVENT US FROM HAVING TO PUT MORE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE FUTURE TOO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO RESPOND TO COUNCILMAN CARLSON, I KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL CASES WHERE PEOPLE HAVE EITHER GOTTEN 10, 40 PERCENT OR EVEN 100 PERCENT. IF THEY ARE RETAINING STORMWATER ON THE PROPERTY, I KNOW THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL WITH HIS HOME AND HE FOUGHT AND CHALLENGED THE CITY AND HE GOT 100% CREDIT -- YOU MIGHT KNOW THE STORY, NICE MAN -- OR BIGGER PROJECTS WHERE THEY HAVE STORMWATER VAULTS. THERE ARE CERTAIN PARCELS NEAR THE AIRPORT, HUNDRED PERCENT CREDIT. OFF DALE MABRY, BUT THEY ARE RETAINING. ONCE THEY ARE BUILDING SOMETHING COMMERCIAL, THEY ARE RETAINING THEIR STORMWATER SO THEY ARE NOT BURDENING THE SYSTEM. THEREFORE, NOT JUST BECAUSE IT IS IMPERMEABLE OR PERMEABLE, BUT THEY HAVE THE FACILITIES TO MAINTAIN THE WATER. TRUST ME, I HAD TO OBSESS OVER THE STORMWATER PROJECT AND VOTE AND EVERYTHING FOR THE LONGEST TIME. YEAH, NO, THERE'S OTHER FACTORS. I KNOW OF SEVERAL CASES. BUT, AGAIN, GOOD POINT IN COMMUNICATING THAT MORE, THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY. NOT PEOPLE JUST THINK THIS IS ON MY PROPERTY TAX BILL AND THAT'S IT. IF THEY KNOW, HEY, YOU CAN MAKE THESE CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS WITH MORE PERMEABLE SURFACE OR OTHER, MEASURES, YOU CAN GET THIS CREDIT. >>BILL CARLSON: OR WE SAY GO TO CHARLIE MIRANDA'S HOUSE AND COPY HIM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I THINK THAT IS A GOOD POINT ABOUT SOME CREDITS, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THE COMMENT THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL WHO GOES AND KNOWS THE GRATE IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE, IF HE JUST RAKES, MORE WATER COMES THROUGH, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW ABOUT THINGS CLOSE TO THEIR HOMES THAT THEY COULD, WHETHER IT BE THE INLET AT THE CORNER THAT TAKES IN WATER AND OVERGROWN WITH GRASS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE COMBINATION OF THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WOULD ABSOLUTELY DO THAT IF THEY KNEW THAT IT WOULD HELP. BUT I THINK FOLKS ARE AFRAID OF TOUCHING THAT. NOT KNOWING, IT CAN BE SOMETHING THEY CAN HELP WITH. I THINK THAT IS A BIGGER CONVERSATION. >>MICHAEL PERRY: THAT CONCLUDES MY SECTION, PENDING ANY QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANOTHER THING I BROUGHT UP BACK IN 2016 WAS WHEN WE WERE PAVING ROADS OR THE STATE WAS PAVING ROADS OR THE COUNTY, AS THE ASPHALT GREW, THE STORM INLETS GOT SMALLER AND SMALLER, SPECIFICALLY ON KENNEDY BOULEVARD. I EVEN DID MY OWN ANALYSIS OF A BRICK STREET BEHIND THE OXFORD EXCHANGE. BRICK STREET AND THE STORMWATER OPENING WAS AT ITS FULL CAPACITY. THEN YOU GO ON TO KENNEDY BOULEVARD AND BECAUSE OF THE LAYERS OF ASPHALT, YOU COULDN'T EVEN TAKE LIKE A PLASTIC 7-UP BOTTLE. YOU COULDN'T EVEN GET IT SIDEWAYS INTO THE DRAIN. I'M THINKING POOR DESIGN IS BACKING UP THE WATER. KIND OF LIKE A CLOGGED SINK. YOU HAVE IT FULL FLOW, BUT IF THERE'S GUNK IN THE SINK, IT'S GOING TO BACK UP, NEED TO CLEAR THE SINK. MAINTENANCE AND DESIGN. >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, I THINK IT'S KIND OF -- IT'S SOMETHING, AGAIN, I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO DISCUSS ABOUT MAINTENANCE BEING THE BIGGER PROJECT AND SMALL MAINTENANCE THAT FOLKS CAN DO IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE DEFINITELY WAYS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HELP. WITH 52 PEOPLE, THERE'S JUST -- I DON'T SEE HOW WE'LL GET EVERY GRATE DONE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT WHEN I TALKED. YOU LOOK AT THE STAFFING, I THINK THE EXPECTATIONS OF RESIDENTS, THIS IS A LARGE GEOGRAPHICAL CITY. A LOT OF NEGLECTED MAINTENANCE OVER THE DECADES, NOT RECENT, BUT NEGLECTED MAINTENANCE. 53 PEOPLE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THAT TASK, IT'S ALMOST INSURMOUNTABLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER TO DO THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. LIKE, WE CAN DO THE SMALL THINGS, BUT WE NEED THEM TO DO THE BIGGER THINGS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU GOT YOUR SHOVEL AND RAKE. >>LYNN HURTAK: DON'T EVEN. DON'T EVEN. WE HAVE DONE OUR ENTIRE ALLEY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HAVE YOU REALLY? >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, YEAH. OUR ALLEY IS WHERE OUR STORMWATER GOES. WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE IN 2015, IT WAS A VERY RAINY SUMMER, AND WE NOTICED THAT THERE WAS STANDING WATER, SO I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER HOW WE DID IT. WHOLE YARD DRAINAGE SYSTEM, THIS WILL SOUND LIKE AN ASTRONOMICAL AMOUNT OF MONEY. $4,000. AND NOW YOU CAN'T TOUCH A WHOLE YARD DRAINAGE SYSTEM FOR FOUR TIMES, FIVE TIMES THAT. PUMPS THE WATER OUT TO THE ALLEY, BUT THE PROBLEM WAS THE ALLEY WAS PAVED OVER MULTIPLE TIMES. WE HAVE ACTUALLY OVER TIME DUG IT OUT BECAUSE IT WAS NOT JUST -- IT WASN'T JUST PAVEMENT, IT WAS THEN DIRT THAT SETTLED INTO THE HOLES. SO NOW WE GO OUT WITH WEED WHACKERS AND MOWERS AND BLOWERS, BEFORE EVERY STORM WE BLOW ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE THE WATER IS SUPPOSED TO GO, SEVERAL HOUSES DOWN. YEAH, WE ABSOLUTELY MAINTAIN THAT OURSELVES, BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AND OUR NEIGHBOR FLOODS TERRIBLY. WE ACTUALLY HAVE OUR PIPE THAT GOES PAST THEIR YARD SO THAT THE WATER DOESN'T GO INTO THEIR YARD BUT GOES WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO GO. NEIGHBORS DO COME UP WITH IDEAS. AGAIN, I THINK IT IS JUST A CONVERSATION WE NEED TO START HAVING OF WHAT ELSE CAN WE ALL DO TO ASSIST. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, ONE THING IS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MITIGATION SOUNDS EXPENSIVE AND COMPLICATED. I LIKE TO TRAVEL TO OTHER PLACES. I WENT TO A BUNCH OF PLACES OVER THE SUMMER. AND THESE OLD CIVILIZATIONS THAT ARE LIKE A THOUSAND YEARS OLD, ESPECIALLY PLACES WITH NOT A LOT OF RAINFALL, THEY BUILT CISTERNS UNDER THE HOUSES TO COLLECT RAIN, AND IT FILTERED IT NATURALLY AND PUT IT INTO A WELL THAT THEY COULD GET WATER FROM. AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD COME UP WITH SIMPLE SOLUTIONS THAT DON'T REQUIRE ALL THE TECHNOLOGY AND EVERYTHING. THE OTHER THING IS THAT IF -- WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO BRING TOGETHER THE BUILDER'S ASSOCIATION, AND JUST TALK ABOUT THE MITIGATION CREDITS, BUT ALSO JUST SAY, LOOK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PERMEABLE DRIVEWAY AND IMPERMEABLE, HOW MUCH IT COSTS, BUT LET'S SAY IT IS A 20% DIFFERENCE. YOU PAY -- YOUR HOME BUYER PAYS 20% MORE BUT THEY'LL SAVE ON THE TAX IN THE FUTURE. HELP KEEP THEIR ROAD FROM FLOODING. SO WE JUST SHOW THEM ALL THE BENEFITS OF DOING THIS AND TRY TO USE A MARKET APPROACH TO TRY TO GET THEM TO BUY IN. THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT THE WORKERS, WENT OUT TO A COUPLE OF THESE PLACES, AND THESE FOLKS ARE WORKING REALLY, REALLY HARD. AND IT'S HOT OUT THERE. I THINK IF WE DON'T GET FLOODED HEAVILY DURING THE SUMMER, WE OUGHT TO GIVE A COMMENDATION TO ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME. I CAN'T IMAGINE SPENDING A DAY DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING, BUT THEY ARE DOING IT SIX DAYS A WEEK. TO ANY OF THEM WATCHING, WE NEED TO THANK THEM. EVEN IF THEY GET FLOODED, THEY ARE WORKING REALLY, REALLY HARD TO FIX THIS. I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THEM. >> JUST TO ADDRESS TWO QUICK THINGS. ONE, WE TALKED ABOUT MILLING AND OVERLAYING AND REESTABLISHING THE DRAINAGE. SOMETIMES THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF HISTORY, THERE HAVE BEEN PLACES WHERE WE HAVE MILLED WITHOUT OVERLAYING. I WANT TO REITERATE THAT WE ARE NOT DOING THAT NOW, AND WHEN WE WERE OUT THERE DOING OVERLAY PROJECTS, WE ARE MILLING BACK DOWN TO WHERE THE FINAL GRADE SHOULD GO. SOME OF THAT IS JUST NATURALLY CORRECTING SOME OF THE DEFICIENCIES IN THE SYSTEM. THE OTHER THING IS, WE ARE WORKING -- IT'S NOT QUITE READY, BUT WE ARE WORKING ON AN AN ADOPT A GRATE PROGRAM, THAT DOES SORT OF CREATE A SCENARIO WHERE A NEIGHBOR WHO HAS SOME INTEREST IN DOING THE SITUATION YOU ALL DESCRIBED IS ALREADY DOING, HAS THAT ENCOURAGEMENT AND HAS THE BACKING OF OUR CITY TO CONTINUE DOING THAT. I KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH LEGAL TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL LIABILITY CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED AND THE LIKE. BUT THAT IS FORTHCOMING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS THE FIRST THING THAT POPPED IN MY HEAD. BECAUSE I HAVE A PROBLEMATIC GRATE ON BAYSHORE. I'M NOT GOING TO STAND ON BAYSHORE AND RAKE. >> WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE POPPING THE GRATE AND DIGGING DOWN IN THERE. THERE IS A LIMIT TO WHAT WE WOULD WANT THE COMMUNITY TO DO. TO THE EXTENT SOMEONE WANTS TO HELP US, WE CERTAINLY WANT TO ENGAGE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL TELL YOU THIS RIGHT NOW, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, YOU JUST POP THAT IN. YOU HAVE PEOPLE GO OUT TO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. YOU ARE RIGHT. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY WANT TO HELP. IT'S KIND OF SOMETHING I FEEL WE'VE GOTTEN AWAY FROM. FOLKS REALLY WANT TO DO THE WORK AND PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING THE WORK. BUT NOW WE ARE SUCH A LITIGIOUS SOCIETY, I SUPPOSE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH LEGAL TO DO IT. THAT IS THE KIND OF STUFF IF WE CAN HELP, I KNOW SO MANY PEOPLE WOULD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I BELIEVE I HAVE SEEN YouTube VIDEOS OF SOMEBODY OUT THERE DOING WORK. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: FAMOUS PERSON. IN MY RESEARCH, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT POPPED UP WAS THE PROTECTION AROUND BUILDERS. YOU SEE THEM PUT THE FLOATING THINGS IN THE BARRIERS. DO YOU THINK OUR RULES REGARDING THAT ARE SUFFICIENT TO KEEP BUILDING MATERIALS AND DIRT FROM BUILDING SITES FROM RUSHING INTO THOSE DRAINS OR SHOULD WE STRENGTHEN THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE A GREAT ANSWER TO THAT. MORE A CSD ISSUE THAN MOBILITY ISSUE. I THINK CONTROLLING TO PATROL THOSE AND INSPECT THEM AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE IN GOOD CONDITION IS PROBABLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE INSTALLED THE WAY THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE. BUT THOSE ARE BASED ON NATIONAL STANDARDS THAT ARE PRETTY STRINGENT. WHETHER THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO STRENGTHEN THAT OR NOT MAYBE IS AN OPEN QUESTION. >>BILL CARLSON: DID I SEE WE HAVE A NEW SUSTAINABILITY PERSON? MAYBE THAT IS A PLACE WHERE THE SUSTAINABILITY PERSON CAN CONNECT THE DOTS BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS. IF WE HAD SLIGHTLY BIGGER BARRIERS AND IT PREVENTED SAND FROM RUNNING INTO THE DRAIN OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, THAT WOULD BE BETTER. I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T SEEN -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE'RE KIND OF WANDERING OFF THE BUDGET THING. I THINK EVALUATION OF BEST PRACTICES. >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I THINK ALL OF THIS IS MITIGATION TO TRY TO KEEP THE BUDGET LOW IS MY POINT. THE MORE WE CAN DO TO CREATE MARKET SOLUTIONS TO GET THE NEIGHBORS TO PARTICIPATE, TO GET BUILDERS TO PARTICIPATE, HOME ORDINANCE TO PARTICIPATE, REDUCE THE BURDEN OF HAVING TO BUILD HEAVY INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEN WE DO BASIC MAINTENANCE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ASSUMING YOU ARE FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION. >>MICHAEL PERRY: I WAS MISTAKEN. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, THE '26 BUDGET. I APOLOGIZE. I THOUGHT I WAS DONE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE BEST PART. THE NUMBERS. >>MICHAEL PERRY: ON THE LEFT IS THE REVISED STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT BUDGET. IT IS $26.1 MILLION. A LOT OF THAT IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTION THAT THE ADMINISTRATION PUT FORTH AND COUNCIL ADOPTED PROVIDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE $24.9 MILLION ON THE 26 STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT, I JUST WANT TO COMPARE SOMETHING HERE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERSONNEL NUMBER IN THE '25 AND YOU LOOK AT THE PERSONNEL NUMBER IN '26, WE REMOVED THAT $1.2 MILLION OF EXPENSES AND PERSONNEL OUT OF STORMWATER AND MOVED IT INTO TRANSPORTATION. SO IF YOU RIGHT FIT THAT, THE '26 BUDGET IS ACTUALLY EQUIVALENT TO WHAT WE ARE DOING IN '26 RIGHT NOW. SO IF YOU TAKE 1.2 AND ADD IT TO 24.9, YOU GET 26.1. SO THE AMENDED '25 BUDGET IS EQUIVALENT TO THE PROPOSED '26 BUDGET. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOT IT. >>MICHAEL PERRY: EVERYBODY GOT THAT? THE FIVE-YEAR CIP, USING THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT, I MEAN, THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT, WE HIGHLIGHTED THE PUMP STATION RESILIENCY UPGRADE PROGRAM THERE. COMPLETING OUT THE FINAL TWO YEARS OF THE FUNDING. THAT EQUIVALENT ABOUT $10 MILLION OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS, 26 AND 27. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU HAD A QUESTION. >>BILL CARLSON: I DO. I DIDN'T JUST HIT IT, BUT I DO. I'M VERY OPPOSED TO THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT. WHY IS IT JUST IN '26 INSTEAD OF ON AFTER THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL APPROVED SO FAR. >>MICHAEL PERRY: THE FUNDING THUS FAR HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. BASED ON WHAT WE CURRENTLY KNOW IS THE EXPENSES, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO ROUND IT ON UP. AS WE CAN IMAGINE, IF WE NEED SUPPLEMENTAL FUNDING, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT IN THE FUTURE. >>BILL CARLSON: WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WILL CHANGE. HOPEFULLY KILL IT OR POSTPONE IT UNTIL IT IS CORRECT. >>MICHAEL PERRY: NEXT STEPS. >> WE'LL BRING IT HOME WITH THE LAST TWO SLIDES. JUST TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND WHAT WE ARE PLANNING TO DO. THANK YOU TO COUNCIL. WE HAVE OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS OR SO INVESTED MORE THAN $350 MILLION IN THE STORMWATER SYSTEM. WE HAVE $39 MILLION IN CAPITAL PROJECTS PLANNED OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. WE HAVE $3.3 MILLION PLANNED FOR NEW AND REPLACEMENT VEHICLES IN 2026. FISCAL 2026. AND THEN AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER AND YOU ALL WILL CONTINUE TO DELIBERATE, THE GENERAL FUND SUBSIDY ON TOP OF OUR ASSESSMENT DOLLARS HAS GROWN AND THE CURRENT FISCAL 26 BUDGET NUMBER IS $4 MILLION. OUR NEXT STEPS, WE'VE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS. MAYBE ALL OF THESE THINGS PRIOR TO NOW. BUT I MENTIONED EARLIER THIS EVENING THAT WE ARE UPDATING OUR SERVICE PLAN IN PART IN ANTICIPATION OF REGULATORY CHANGES. AND WE WILL BE DISCUSSING WITH YOU ALL ANY OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE FOR ENHANCEMENTS IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR EXPECTED SERVICE LEVELS ARE. OF COURSE, IF WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE OUR SERVICE THAT WE PERFORM, THAT COMES WITH A DOUBLING OF THE RESOURCES NEEDED TO PERFORM IT. OR WHATEVER SCALE, WHATEVER INCREMENT THEREOF THAT WE ARE CONTEMPLATING. WE ARE WORKING ON THE WATERSHED MASTER PLAN, WHICH WILL IDENTIFY ADDITIONAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS NEEDED FOR THOSE INDIVIDUAL WATERSHEDS. THEN WE CAN GO OUT AND IMPLEMENT. WE WANT TO CONTINUE OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, LIKE WE MENTIONED EARLIER, REFINING SOME OF THOSE TOOLS THAT WE PUT OUT FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION. WE'RE REVISITING TECHNICAL STANDARDS TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN. RECENT LEGISLATIVE CHANGES ON THE STATE LEVEL HAS PUT IN SOME GUIDE RAILS ON WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO OVER WHAT DURATION. AND THEN, OF COURSE, CONTINUING OUR INTERAGENCY COORDINATION. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN US AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. IT MAY GO WITHOUT SAYING, BUT WATER DOESN'T KNOW JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES, SO THOSE PLACES WHERE THE STORMWATER FLOWS ACROSS THOSE JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES ARE OF SPECIAL NEED FOR US TO CONTINUE WORKING ON AND DISCUSSING WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. SO I WANTED TO LEAVE THE PRESENTATION WITH ONE LAST REFERENCE SLIDE FOR SOME OF THE TOOLS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT IS AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE, AND THEN, OF COURSE, IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BEYOND WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BRANDON, I JUST WANT TO SAY, I THINK YOU DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB TONIGHT WITH THE PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVERYTHING REALLY OUTSTANDING. I APPRECIATE ALL OF CITY STAFF FOR THE PRESENTATION THIS MORNING AND TONIGHT. I THINK IT KIND OF SETS US AND GIVES US GUIDELINES AND FRAMEWORK. I THINK IT REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE THE STANDARD FOR FUTURE BUDGET WORKSHOPS IN THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEARS. I THINK IT REALLY WORKED WELL. I LIKE THE WAY, AND AGAIN IT PROMOTES CONVERSATION. IT REMINDS US OF ISSUES WE'RE DEALING WITH. THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY VERY BIG ISSUES. IT HELPS REMIND US AND PROVOKE OUR QUESTIONS. SO THANK YOU ALL. THANK ALL THE CITY STAFF PEOPLE FROM THIS MORNING AND TONIGHT. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH. I WANT TO ECHO THE SAME THING. BRANDON, I'VE COMPLIMENTED YOU BEFORE. YOU HAVE A GREAT DEMEANOR AND GREAT WAY OF BUILDING TRUST I THINK WITH THE PUBLIC. I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE THE PUBLIC. WHEN THEY CALL US TO COMPLAIN, WE PASS THAT ON TO YOU ALL. SO THANK YOU TO THAT. AND THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO PRESENTED TONIGHT. COULD YOU GO BACK TWO SLIDES? SORRY, GO FORWARD ONE. I WAS THINKING -- CAN WE SEE THAT ON THE TV? I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS SYMBOL EARLIER. AND I WAS GOING TO SAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE A JOKE, BUT EVERYBODY KNOWS NOT TO PUT A FISH DOWN THE DRAIN. THIS SIGN I THINK DOESN'T FIT THE NEEDS TODAY. SOUNDS LIKE A JOKE. IT IS A PICTURE OF FISH. FIRST REACTION, OH, DON'T PUT THE FISH OR IF YOU READ IT, TAKE THE CHANCE TO READ IT, OKAY, IF I PUT SOMETHING DOWN HERE, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT A FISH, BUT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT CARE ABOUT A FISH. SO IF IT SOMEHOW SAYS, IF YOU PUT SOMETHING DOWN, YOUR STREET IS GOING TO FLOOD, PEOPLE MAYBE WILL WAKE UP. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE CITIES THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT. I LIKE THE SYMBOL OF THE FISH, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT COMMUNICATES AS WELL AS SOMETHING THAT, A SIGN THAT THIS IS TOO COMPLICATED, BUT STOP YOUR STREET FROM FLOODING. DON'T PUT ANYTHING DOWN HERE. THERE SHOULD BE SOME SIMPLE WAY TO COMMUNICATE THAT. THE NEXT THING IS, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND. WHEN THESE TWO TAXES WERE CREATED, WAS THERE NO ESCALATOR? WAS THERE NO INFLATION CLAUSE? JUST STATIC THROUGHOUT. >> McLANE CAN MAYBE TALK TO MORE OF THE HISTORY. I KNOW IT STEPPED UP BUT WE ARE AT THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT ON BOTH OF THOSE ASSESSMENTS AS ENABLED BY THAT PREVIOUS ACTION. >>McLANE EVANS: McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAY I TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TAX AND ASSESSMENT? IT WOULD HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. >>McLANE EVANS: A TAX IS BASED ON THE VALUATION OF SOMETHING. FOR EXAMPLE, A PROPERTY TAX IS BASED ON A PERCENTAGE OF THE PROPERTY VALUE. A SALES TAX IS BASED ON A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT YOU'RE BUYING AT THE STORE. A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT IS DIFFERENT. IT'S BASED ON A SPECIAL BENEFIT PROVIDED TO THE PROPERTIES TO WHICH ARE ASSESSED. THAT IS THE FIRST PRONG. AND THEN THE SECOND PRONG IS THEN THE FUNDS MUST BE FAIRLY AND EQUALLY DISTRIBUTED AMONGST THOSE PROPERTIES TO PROVIDE THAT SPECIAL BENEFIT. THE REASON WE USE ESUs, EQUIVALENT STORMWATER UNITS, BASED ON AREA OF IMPERVIOUS AREA, IS THAT'S HOW WE QUANTIFY THE SPECIAL BENEFIT PROVIDED BY THE STORMWATER SYSTEM AND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT FOR STORMWATER. SO TO THAT POINT, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE LAW WORKS FOR SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS, WE COULD NOT PUT AN ESCALATOR ON IT FOR THAT. IN FACT, EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE TO THE PUBLIC THERE WAS AN INCREASE OVER TIME ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED IN 2016, IT WAS ACTUALLY ADOPTED AT THE FULL AMOUNT, $88.55, BUT TIERED INTO THE FULL AMOUNT, IF THAT -- I KNOW THAT IS A LOT OF LEGAL MINUTIA, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT IN THE EVENT THAT WE EVER GOT CHALLENGED ON OUR ASSESSMENT, THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT IN WHICH A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT WORKS VERSUS A TAX. SO THAT WAS A LONG EXPLANATION, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT WOULD WEAKEN THE LEGAL STANDING OF OUR SPECIAL ASSESSMENT IF WE BUILT IN SOME SORT OF INCREASE BASED ON INFLATION WHEN IT'S ALL BASED ON THE SPECIAL BENEFIT TO WHICH THE PROPERTIES ARE PROVIDED. BECAUSE IF FOR SOME REASON, THE SPECIAL BENEFIT DIDN'T INCREASE EQUAL TO INFLATION, WE WOULD RISK OUR ASSESSMENT NOT BEING LEGAL. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >>BILL CARLSON: IS THERE ANOTHER WAY TO CREATE A FORMULA WHERE IT'S BASED ON ACTUAL COSTS? RIGHT NOW WE'RE DIPPING 4 MILLION INTO THE GENERAL FUND. SO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NORTH OF FOWLER ARE PAYING FOR STORMWATER THAT'S SOUTH OF FOWLER KIND OF, RIGHT? THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY TAXES OR OTHER FEES. >>McLANE EVANS: JUST FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT MAY BE WATCHING, IT MAKES IT EXTRA CONFUSING BECAUSE WE BILL OUR SPECIAL ASSESSMENT IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE MOST EFFICIENT, COST-EFFICIENT WAY OF DOING THAT THROUGH THE TAX COLLECTOR'S TAX BILL. THERE IS A STATUTE THAT SAYS THE UNIFORM METHOD OF ASSESSMENT, BUT JUST BECAUSE IT IS ON THE TAX BILL DOESN'T MEAN IT IS A TAX. GETTING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU'RE ASKING A LAWYER TO DO MATH, WHICH IS NOT USUALLY WHY WE WENT TO LAW SCHOOL. >>BILL CARLSON: MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT OFF-LINE. THE POINT I'M GETTING TO IS THAT IF SOME COUNCIL IN THE FUTURE OR MAYOR PROPOSES TO INCREASE IT, MAYBE THERE IS A FORMULA NOT BASED ON INFLATION BUT BASED ON ACTUAL COST OR SOMETHING, THAT WOULD FOLLOW IT. BUT THE NEXT QUESTION IS, BACK WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, I REMEMBER THE YBOR FOLKS IN PARTICULAR WERE AGAINST IT. HOW DO WE PROVE TO THEM THAT THEY GOT THEIR MONIES' WORTH? YOU WERE SAYING WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A SERVICE IN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE BEING ASSESSED, DO WE SOMEHOW SHOW THAT THE PEOPLE IN THE AREAS THAT DON'T FLOOD AS MUCH THAT THEY ARE GETTING A SERVICE? HOW DO WE PROVE THAT? >>McLANE EVANS: IF I COULD ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTION A LITTLE MORE COMPLETELY. THE MOST LEGALLY SOUND WAY TO JUSTIFY AN INCREASE, ALTHOUGH A VERY BUREAUCRATIC ANSWER, WOULD BE TO CONTINUALLY DO STUDIES TO EVALUATE THE SPECIAL BENEFIT AND WHAT THAT VALUE IS. SO AS THE ATTORNEY, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION, BUT I REALIZE THAT IS NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT, EASIEST WAY TO DO IT. ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT EVIDENCE TO THE PARTIES THAT ARE BEING ASSESSED, IT WOULD BE THE SORTS OF DATA THAT IS AVAILABLE THAT THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT, STORMWATER DIVISION IS MAKING PUBLIC. IN THE CASE OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY SOMEWHAT DISCREET 30-YEAR PERIOD IN A CERTAIN AREA, CENTRAL AND SOUTH ASSESSMENT AREA, BASICALLY SOUTH OF FOWLER, WHERE OVER TIME, AT THE COMPLETION, BY 2045, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THERE WAS A FAIRLY -- A FAIR AND REASONABLE APPORTIONMENT OF THOSE BENEFITS ACROSS THAT AREA. SIMILARLY, THE SERVICE AREA, WHICH IS CITYWIDE, TO THOSE THAT AREN'T MITIGATED OUT AND NOT PAYING INTO IT BECAUSE THEY MANAGE THEIR OWN SERVICE WATER -- I MEAN THEY MANAGE THEIR OWN STORMWATER SYSTEMS, THEY ARE BENEFITING FROM THE STREET SWEEPING AND THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE. NOW, IF YOU WANT TO GET DOWN TO THE MICROAREAS, THAT BECOMES A TECHNICAL QUESTION OUTSIDE OF MY LEGAL EXPERTISE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I HAD A QUESTION FOR I GUESS FINANCE. THE GENERAL FUND SUBSIDY, IF YOU GO TO THE SLIDE BEFORE THIS ONE, IT MENTIONS, AS COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON TALKED ABOUT, THE GENERAL FUND SUBSIDIES THAT WE HAD ADDED -- KEEP GOING. I'M LOOKING FOR THE BUDGET HIGHLIGHTS SLIDE. THERE WITH THE GENERAL FUND SUBSIDIES, IT SAYS 2 MILLION PRIOR TO 2025. 3 MILLION IN 25 AND NOW 4 MILLION. MY QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH OF -- WE ALLOCATED $3 MILLION EXTRA TO STORMWATER. IS THAT PART OF THIS 4 MILLION OR IS THAT IN ADDITION TO? >> THE RECENT FINANCIAL RESOLUTION THAT WAS ADOPTED, COUNCIL, IS IN ADDITION TO THIS. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. IT'S 4 MILLION PLUS AN ADDITIONAL 3, SO IT'S REALLY 7 MILLION THAT WE'RE ADDING THIS YEAR. >>MICHAEL PERRY: LET ME COME BACK HERE, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE 3.5. >>MICHAEL PERRY: $6 MILLION TOTAL GENERAL FUND IN '25. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S WHAT MADE THAT THE $6 MILLION. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE 6 MILLION CAME FROM THE 3 MILLION -- THE 3.5 THAT WE ALLOCATED THIS FISCAL YEAR? >>MICHAEL PERRY: I THINK THE ADOPTED BUDGET HAD 3 MILLION. THEN WE DID A $500,000 BACK EARLY IN THE SPRING AND THEN 2.5, WAS IT 3? OKAY THAT SHOULD BE 6.5. >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT 6 BUT 6.5. THIS ADDITIONAL 3.5 OF USE OF FUND BALANCE IS NOT FOR. OKAY. I SEE. TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN USE OF FUND BALANCE WILL BE IN ADDITION TO THAT. >>MICHAEL PERRY: YES, MA'AM. >>BILL CARLSON: QUICK FOLLOW-UP. WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, DENNIS WAS TALKING TO US ABOUT THE ENTERPRISE FUND BALANCE VERSUS THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE. THE 3.5 MILLION IS THAT COMING FROM THE ENTERPRISE FUND BALANCE OR THE GENERAL FUND BALANCE? >>MICHAEL PERRY: THAT IS COMING FROM THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT FUND FUND BALANCE. >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: MS. KOPESKY HAD A QUICK FEW SLIDES THAT I HAD REQUESTED AS PART OF THIS TO BE ADDED TO THIS. I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER A COUPLE. I BELIEVE -- DOES ANYBODY HAVE -- I THINK I HAVE THE WRONG. MISCELLANEOUS SCHEDULES ONE. YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YEAH, WE HAVE THEM. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. I'M PARTICULARLY INTERESTED -- I WAS GOING TO ASK STAFF, BUT IF YOU COULD GO TO PAGE 5, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING 3.5 MILLION, I BELIEVE, TOWARDS VEHICLES OR RATHER ASSETS. WHICH IN THIS CASE ARE MOSTLY VEHICLES. IF WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT. PAGE 5. TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GETTING. IS THIS -- SO THIS IS WHAT WE ASSUME -- OR THIS IS WHAT IS PLANNED TO BE PURCHASED. >>HAGAR KOPESKY: HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST. A COUPLE OF THINGS, PROBABLY A GOOD MONTH AND A HALF AGO, YOU HAD REQUESTED TWO THINGS. YOU WANTED TO UNDERSTAND MORE SPECIFICALLY WHAT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID YOU STATE YOUR NAME? >>HAGAR KOPESKY: YEAH. THE MAKEUP OF THE ACTUAL THIRD-PARTY MAINTENANCE EXPENSES WERE. SO TO GIVE CONTEXT -- THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN REFERENCE TO THIS. FOR CONTEXT FOR THAT, THAT'S CLOSE TO 4, $4.5 MILLION EXPENSE ITEM WITHIN THE STORMWATER SERVICE DEPARTMENT. THE QUESTION YOU'RE NOW ASKING IN YOUR SECOND REQUEST HAD JUST BEEN, WE HEAR THE DEPARTMENT TALK A LOT ABOUT ASSETS AND THE KEY ASSETS OF THE DEPARTMENT. THIS SLIDE THAT IS SHOWING CURRENTLY WAS MEANT TO BE A SKINNIED DOWN VERSION OF THE MOST, LET'S CALL THEM SIGNIFICANT ASSETS WITHIN THE GROUP. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO INCLUDE THE TRAILERS AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN WITH SIGNAGE AND SUCH. THIS IS WHERE WE STAND CURRENTLY AGAINST WHAT A TYPICAL USEFUL LIFE FOR THESE ITEMS ARE, AND WHAT I TRIED TO DO IS GIVE A REASONABLE AVERAGE BASED ON THE INVENTORY OF THOSE PARTICULAR LINE ITEMS, WHERE WE ARE. YOUR QUESTION I THINK IS MORE IN THE '26 BUDGET, THERE IS A $3.3 MILLION CAPITAL LINE ITEM FOR THESE TYPE OF THINGS. SO THESE ARE GOING TO BE IN EXISTENCE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY ARE AGE-WISE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE A LITTLE MORE INFO ON WHAT THE 3.3 MIGHT BE SPENT ON, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I THINK PERHAPS BRANDON IF YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE TARGETING TO. >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. CAMPBELL, IF YOU COULD TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE -- WHAT YOU ARE FOCUSING ON. BUT I THINK THIS SLIDE IS VERY IMPORTANT. CCTV COULD POP THE CLOSED CAPTIONING UP TOP LIKE YOU WERE DOING BEFORE, WHICH WAS REALLY AWESOME. THANK YOU. I WANTED TO SAY HOW MUCH I APPRECIATED YOU DOING THAT. I THINK LOOKING AT OUR ASSETS AND THEIR USEFUL LIFE IS, QUITE FRANKLY, SCARY, BECAUSE THIS IS, 3.3 MILLION ISN'T REALLY GOING TO TOUCH THIS. SO THAT -- SO MR. CAMPBELL, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. ONE, WHAT IS THE PRIORITY FOR THIS YEAR? TWO, I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME IT IS PART OF THAT PLAN, BUT HOW FAR, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WILL TAKE US AND WHAT KIND OF MONEY TO GET BACK TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE IN TERMS OF USEFUL LIFE? FOR THESE ITEMS? >> THAT IS A COMPLICATED QUESTION THAT I MIGHT NEED TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO GET YOU A COMPREHENSIVE ANSWER FOR. BUT I DO HAVE THE LIST OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE ARE PLANNING TO PURCHASE WITH THAT 3.3, IF THAT HELPS. SO WE'VE GOT SEVERAL TRAILERS. FIVE OF THEM. MINI-WHEELER -- TWO FORD F 750 TWO-TON FLAT BEDS. F-450 TV TRUCK AND VAC TRUCK. >>LYNN HURTAK: VERY BRIEFLY FOR MY EDIFICATION AND FOR THE PUBLIC, WHAT DO YOU USE THESE THINGS FOR? THE TV TRUCK AND THE VAC ARE PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY. >> I MIGHT ASK BRYAN TO COME UP AND GIVE A LITTLE MORE DETAILED ANSWER THAN I CAN DO OFF THE CUFF. >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST SO WE -- >> BRYAN RODGERS, MOBILITY OPERATOR. IT IS THE SPIDER EXCAVATOR. TWO TON FLOOD BED -- FLAT BED, CREW BED THAT WE DUMP MATERIAL IN AND USE DAY TO DAY. MINI-WHEELERS ARE USUALLY FOR DITCH GRADING, SO THEY ARE DUMP TRUCKS. ALL THE MATERIAL. TRAILERS, MOST OF THOSE TRAILERS ARE TO HAUL OUR EQUIPMENT AROUND THE CITY. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. AGAIN, NICE TO KNOW HOW THESE ARE ALL BEING USED. DON'T GO TOO FAR. JUST QUICKLY. IF YOU TAKE THAT OFF AND GO BACK TO MS. KOPESKY'S. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE ASSETS. WE SEE THE AVERAGE AGE AND THE USEFUL LIFE IN YEARS. THIS IS A HARD QUESTION BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW -- I ASSUME THAT YOU HAVE A PRIORITY -- PRIORITIZATION ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO FIX AND HOW QUICKLY YOU NEED IT. WITH MORE MONEY, WHAT WOULD YOU FOCUS ON NEXT? >> BRYAN RODGERS, MOBILITY OPERATIONS MANAGER. SO YOU ALREADY APPROVED A LEASE FOR THREE VAC WHICH WILL PROVE TO HELP US BE MORE EFFICIENT. THE EQUIPMENT WILL STAY UP MORE FREQUENTLY. SO THOSE VEHICLES, THE EXISTING VEHICLES WILL PHASE OUT. THE ONES WE OWN. SO WE WON'T HAVE TO REPLACE THOSE AT ALL BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THE LEASE PROGRAM. SO THE EXCAVATORS, STREET SWEEPER, ALL VALUABLE EQUIPMENT FOR US AND TO USE. EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM, FOR THE MOST PART, ARE USED EVERY DAY. SO WE ALSO HAVE A BIT OF REDUNDANCY, TOO, FOR WHEN VEHICLES DO GO DOWN, AND THEY ARE AT FLEET. I CAN SAY THE USEFUL LIFE, WE WORK WITH FLEET ALL THE TIME ON GETTING THEIR INPUT ON WHAT MAKES SENSE. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WHEN THEY GET TO THAT USEFUL -- END OF THAT USEFUL LIFE, FLEET, AND WE WORK WITH THEM AS WELL ON REPLACEMENT. AND FUNDING FOR THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THAT FLEET MAINTENANCE IS A CRITICAL ELEMENT. >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, ABSOLUTELY. AT THE SAME TIME, RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE FIVE VAC TRUCKS BECAUSE THEY COUNT ON TWO OF THEM BEING DONE AT ALL TIMES -- BEING DOWN AT ALL TIMES. REALLY WE'RE GETTING RID OF FIVE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE LESS UTILIZATION. WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE THREE THAT WORK. AND WHEN THEY DON'T WORK, THEY HAVE TO GIVE US A LOANER UNTIL THAT ONE IS FIXED. >> CORRECT. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHICH IS THE BEAUTY OF THE RENTAL. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. I'LL LET OTHERS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: THE SLIDES THAT COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK JUST HAD, SLIDE, PAGE 3 STORMWATER SERVICE PERFORMANCE TARGETS. I JUST WONDER, HYPOTHETICALLY, BRANDON OR SOMEBODY, IF -- SO -- MS. KOPESKY, DO YOU HAVE THAT? IF ALMOST EVERYTHING IS ON A SEVEN-YEAR, FIVE-YEAR CYCLE, IF A FEDERAL OR STATE GRANT OR SOMETHING SUDDENLY DROPPED IN OUR LAPS, HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO CATCH UP QUICKLY? LIKE WE OBVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE TO OUTSOURCE IT. BUT OUT OF THE WHOLE BUDGET, AND THIS IS NOT TO SET -- BUT JUST, IF YOU WERE -- EACH YEAR ALLOCATING JUST TO DO THE THINGS ON THIS LIST, IF WE SUDDENLY DID SEVEN YEARS' WORTH IN ONE YEAR, ANY IDEA HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST OR HOW MUCH DOES ONE YEAR COST OF MAINTENANCE SO WE CAN EXTRAPOLATE WHAT IT WOULD COST TO SHORTEN THE TIME CYCLE? >> I'M NOT SURE I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. >>BILL CARLSON: LET'S SAY -- DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE MAINTENANCE CYCLE COSTS FOR ONE YEAR USING THIS CHART THAT IS THERE? >>HAGAR KOPESKY: I'M NOT TRYING TO JUMP IN FRONT. I WANT TO SEE IF I CAN HELP AND HE CAN ADJUST SOME OF THAT. THIS OTHER SHEET THAT IS UP IS REFERRING TO THE SECOND REQUEST THAT WAS MADE BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK REGARDING WHAT MAKES UP THE MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR. TO YOUR POINT, AGAIN, I KNOW THIS IS A LOT OF DETAIL, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE RELATIVE RUN RATE THAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IN THE LAST, LET'S SAY THIS YEAR AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NEXT YEAR IS CLOSER TO THE $4 MILLION RANGE. THAT'S INCLUDING ITEMS THAT ARE CATCH-UP ITEMS. THAT'S INCLUDING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE MORE RECENTLY ADDED IN, FOR EXAMPLE, -- >>BILL CARLSON: LET'S ROUND UP TO 5 MILLION. MY QUESTION, BRANDON, IF YOU SUDDENLY GOT A GRANT FOR $35 MILLION, COULD YOU OUTSOURCE THAT TO SOMEBODY AND CATCH UP? >> I THINK WE'D HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF JUST CHECKING WITH THE CONTRACTORS THAT WE ARE ENGAGED WITH TO SEE HOW MUCH ADDITIONAL CAPACITY THEY HAVE. IT'S HARD FOR US TO FULLY KNOW HOW MUCH CAPACITY WE COULD ENGAGE A CONTRACTOR FOR WITHOUT HAVING THE REAL FUNDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF US AND SORT OF DANGLING THAT OUT, HEY, WHAT COULD YOU DO FOR US? THAT MAKES THAT A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER. THE SLIDE ITSELF, I THINK THESE ARE JUST THE CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE OUT, AND DON'T COVER THE INTERNAL WORK ORDERS THAT WE DO. I GUESS IF THE QUESTION IS GOING FROM A TEN-YEAR CYCLE OF MAINTENANCE TYPE X TO A FIVE-YEAR CYCLE, WE KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE THE AMOUNT THAT WE SPEND ON THAT. MAYBE WOULD BACK IT OUT THAT WAY. >>BILL CARLSON: ON TOP OF THE 4.7 MILLION, DO YOU HAVE ANY BALLPARK OF WHAT THE INTERNAL COSTS ARE THAT YOU WOULD ADD ON TO THAT, LIKE ONE YEAR -- >> YEAH, I WOULD RECOMMEND LOOKING AT THE OVERALL BUDGET AND THEN JUST BACKING OUT THE $5 MILLION OF CONTRACTS. SO WE'RE AT, WHAT, LIKE 18, 17, 18 MILLION DOLLARS? >> AGAIN, ROUGHING THIS UP, BY ALL MEANS, IF THIS IS SOMETHING -- >>BILL CARLSON: I GUESS MY QUESTION, IT US THAT 18 MILLION INCLUDE THINGS NOT DIRECTLY TIED TO THIS LIST THAT WAS ON PAGE 3? >>HAGAR KOPESKY: YOU'LL HAVE THE TWO GROUPS. THE 22 FOLKS THAT YOU SAID ARE MORE ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE 60 SOMETHIN- >> YEAH SO THAT BUDGET, THAT BUDGET CATEGORY FUNDS THE WORK OF ALL OF THOSE OPERATION FOLKS THAT WERE IN MY PRESENTATION. IT WOULD INCLUDE LIKE OUR PLANNER SCHEDULERS, THE SORT OF ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS THAT GO IN ADDITION TO AND ENABLE THE FIELD WORK THAT'S DONE. >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU. WE CAN'T TALK TO OUR COLLEAGUES, SO I WAS TRYING TO BRAINSTORM. >>HAGAR KOPESKY: SORRY ABOUT THE HORRIBLE HANDWRITING. TO YOUR POINT, IF WE ARE ANTICIPATING ROUGHLY 12 POINT -- 13 MILLION IN PERSONNEL COSTS AND 66 OF THE 90 PEOPLE RELATE TO THE GROUP THAT WOULD BE DOING THIS TYPE OF OPERATIONAL WORK, AGAIN, I'M JUST GIVING YOU ROUGH NUMBERS ON THE PORTION OF LET'S CALL IT 70%, 65% -- >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE? >> OF THE 12.9 OF PERSONNEL COSTS, JUST TRYING TO ROUGH UP AND SAY APPROXIMATELY 70% WOULD BE THE FOLKS THAT ARE BOOTS ON THE GROUND KIND OF PEOPLE. AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU A VERY HIGH, HIGH LEVEL. >>BILL CARLSON: LOOKING FROM A CASH FLOW BASIS, YOU HAVE DEBT ON THERE. DEBT HAVE SOMETHING ON THAT LINE? AND THEN CAPITAL. SO I WONDER IF, JUST MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT OFF-LINE ABOUT BALLPARKS. IS IT 5 MILLION TIMES 7 OR IS IT 18 MILLION TIMES 7? WHAT IS THE MAINTENANCE BUDGET LIKE AND THE MANAGEMENT LEVEL? IS THERE CAPACITY TO SCHEDULE MORE THAT COULD BE SPREAD ACROSS MORE PROJECTS? I DON'T KNOW. JUST HYPOTHETICALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION HAS CONTACTS IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AND TALLAHASSEE, BUT WE DO TOO. IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP WITH, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A HUGE CONCERN OF THE PUBLIC IF WE CAN SPEED IT UP. THANK YOU. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M SURE YOU HAVE DONE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE WHEN YOU SAY THE EXISTING VACUUM TRUCK WILL BE REPLACED BY THREE LEASED TRUCKS, AM I CORRECT? SO HAVE YOU DONE A COMPARISON OF WHAT THE COST IS FOR THE THREE NEW TRUCKS VERSUS LEASING AND WHO DOES THE MAINTENANCE AND SO FORTH AND SO ON AND WHO DOES IT AND REPLACE THE VEHICLE WHEN IT'S DOWN. >> THE LEASE IS FOR THREE YEARS. IT HAS A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT IN IT. IN THAT MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, THE VENDOR WILL MAINTAIN THE REGULAR MAINTENANCE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEY MAINTAIN WHATEVER THE VEHICLE IS WHATEVER BY NATURAL -- BY USE ONLY, NOT BY ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING. >> CORRECT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HAVE YOU DONE THAT STUDY, HOW IT COMES OUT? >> YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CAN YOU TELL US? >> I DON'T HAVE THEM ON ME. IT WAS BASICALLY A WASH. AFTER THE THREE TO FOUR-YEAR LEASE TERM. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT, IF YOU DON'T MIND. THE REASON I'M ASKING, I NEVER BOUGHT A NEW CAR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BRANDON, YOU CAN FORWARD THAT -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OR GO TO THE BARBERSHOP EITHER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S EVIDENT. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE FOURTH PAGE, MS. KOPESKY. I HAD A QUESTION FOR MR. CAMPBELL ON THE CAVE-IN REPAIRS FROM KIMMINS. THAT'S $1.2 MILLION. THAT WAS A CONTRACT WE GAVE THEM CORRECT? >> YES. SO, LIKE, FOR THAT 1.2 MILLION, WHAT WILL THAT GET US? HOW FAR BEHIND WERE WE? WILL WE CATCH UP? BECAUSE CAVE-INS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. CAN YOU TALK TO US ABOUT, LIKE, ARE WE GOING TO GET TO NET ZERO. ARE WE STILL GOING TO BE BEHIND? HOW ARE WE ON SPECIFICALLY ON THE CAVE-INS FROM THIS KIMMINS PROJECT? >> WE CAN REEVALUATE AS THEY GET CLOSER TO THE END OF THAT CONTRACT. AS I MENTIONED TO YOU ALL IN OUR MONTHLY STORMWATER MAINTENANCE REPORTS, WE ARE CONTINUING TO DO SOME OF THOSE. I THINK THE MONTH BEFORE LAST, IT WAS LIKE 50-50. THEY DID ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER AS WE DID. LAST MONTH, THEY DID MORE THAN WE DID. WE'RE SORT OF LOAD BALANCING BETWEEN HOW MUCH THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH AND HOW MUCH OUR INTERNAL TEAMS CAN ACCOMPLISH. AS WE GET TO THE END OF THE CONTRACT, WE'LL REEVALUATE AND SEE, ARE WE CAUGHT UP. CAN WE CATCH UP WITH OUR IN-HOUSE FORCES? DO WE NEED THAT ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FROM KIMMINS OR FROM ANOTHER CONTRACTOR TO HELP US CATCH BACK UP ONTO THOSE CAVE-INS THAT ACCELERATED AFTER LAST YEAR'S STORM SEASON. I ANTICIPATE MAYBE A MORE COMPLETE ANSWER AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE END OR THE CEILING OF THEIR CONTRACT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ALSO GOING TO MENTION. I KNOW WE SAW A LOT MORE CAVE-INS DUE TO THE WATER. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SORT OF PROJECT NOW KNOWING THAT IF WE GET SOME MORE STORMS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BUDGET FOR. >> I THINK THAT IS A FAIR STATEMENT. I THINK WITH LARGER STORMS WE'LL SEE A SIMILAR REACTION WITH THE SYSTEM. AS WE FIX SOME OF THE LARGER SYSTEMIC ISSUES AND REPLACE SOME OF THE SYSTEMS, THAT SHOULD COME DOWN. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. >> DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? HEARING NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE WILL TRANSITION TO PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME UP ONE AT A TIME OR LINE UP AND WE'LL CALL THEM OFF THE WALL. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ONLINE SPEAKERS. WE MISS YOU, MICHAEL RANDOLPH, IF YOU ARE LISTENING. WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? PAMELA. START WITH YOUR NAME, PLEASE. >> I'M NOT READY YET. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PHOTOS. OH. HOLD OFF ON THE TIMER. DO YOU HAVE A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM? TELL ME WHEN YOU ARE READY AND WE'LL START THE TIMER. >> OKAY. I THINK I'M READY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO. >> MY NAME IS PAM CANNELLA. OUR STORMWATER ASSESSMENT FEES NEED TO BE SPENT ON STORMWATER MAINTENANCE. PRIORITY NEEDS TO BE ON CLEANING. ALL THE STORMWATER DRAINS, DITCHES, AND PONDS, CLEANING, MAINTENANCE, AND REPAIR REQUIRES THE CITY TO STOP WASTEFUL SPENDING AND PUT NEEDS BEFORE WANTS. THE HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT IS NOT THE BEST SOLUTION FOR FLOOD CONTROL FOR PALMA CEIA PINES. THE IMPACTS ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND BUSINESSES ARE TOO GREAT AND TOO COSTLY FOR A PROJECT WITH VERY LITTLE POSITIVE OUTCOME. THIS MONEY CAN BE USED TO ADDRESS ALL OF TAMPA'S STORMWATER MAINTENANCE NEEDS. BECAUSE LACK OF STORMWATER MAINTENANCE CAUSES FLOODING, ROAD AND SIDEWALK CAVE-INS AND EVEN MOSQUITOES. THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS. YOU CAN PUT THE FIRST ONE ON. THE LACK OF MAINTENANCE OF THE TWO PONDS AND THE STORM DRAINS IN PALMA CEIA PINES CAUSED FLOODING. ALL STORMWATER RUNS AND FLOWS SOUTH TO THAT AREA. ALL STORMWATER RUNOFF FLOWS SOUTH TO THAT AREA. DON'T MOVE ANY PAGES YET. THE FIRST POND IS THE HOR RATIO POND. IT IS FULL OF PLASTIC, BOTTLES AND OTHER TRASH, CLOGS THE CULVERT AND PIPES AND DOES NOT ALLOW FOR PROPER DRAINAGE. THIS DRAINS TO AUDUBON, WHICH AUDUBON IS THE MAIN DRAINAGE ROUTE FOR MOVING ALL STORMWATER RUNOFF OUT OF THAT AREA TO SWANN. ALTHOUGH IT RECENTLY WAS CLEANED, IT STILL HAS ASPHALT IN THE DRAINS. THE SECOND POND IS THE HOSPITAL POND. THIS POND HAS NEVER BEEN CLEANED. IT IS LOCATED UNDER THE PARKING LOT. THIS POND REQUIRES A PUMP STATION TO REMOVE THE WATER OUT OF THAT POND AND TRAVELS OUT TO WESTSHORE TO THE OUTFALL. THIS POND HAS A FILTER THAT HAS NOT BEEN CLEANED EVER. IT IS FULL OF BOTTLES AND TRASH. I AM PERFECTLY SURE THIS PUMP IS A MAJOR FACTOR IN FLOODING. IF YOU NEED SOMETHING TO WORK, YOU HAVE TO CLEAN AND MAINTAIN IT. THE EXISTING DRAINAGE SYSTEM ALONG THE EXPRESSWAY IS ANOTHER AREA OF NEGLECT THAT HASN'T WORKED FOR YEARS. NEW STORM DRAIN SYSTEM IS BEING DESIGNED BY THE EXPRESSWAY IN PREPARATION FOR THE EXPANSION. THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY AND THEA TO COMBINE EFFORTS FOR A BETTER STORM DRAIN SYSTEM ALONG THE EXPRESSWAY. BY REPLACING THE OPEN SYSTEM WITH UNDERGROUND BOX CULVERT. CAN I CONTINUE? I HAVE A FEW MORE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT IS COUNCIL'S DESIRE? WE HAVE A MOTION TO EXTEND BY ONE MINUTE. WE HAVE A MOTION TO EXTEND BY ONE MINUTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >> BY REPLACING THE OPEN SYSTEM WITH AN UNDERGROUND BOX CULVERT AND UTILIZING PARTS OF THE EXISTING SYSTEM, WE HAVE TWO OTHER OPTIONS. FIRST, THE AUDUBON DRAINAGE ROUTE CAN CONTINUE TO SWANN THROUGH PARKLAND AND SOUTH TO EUCLID OUTFALL AND ADDRESS THE CONCORDIA FLOODING PROBLEMS. THE SECOND ROUTE FROM AUDUBON TO SWANN AND USE ALBANY TO THE ALBANY POND. THEA PLANS TO CLEAN IT AND UTILIZE THAT POND IN THEIR STORMWATER DESIGN, FINALLY MAKING IT FUNCTIONAL. ALBANY CAN CONNECT WITH THE EXPRESSWAY WITH AN OUTFALL ON BAY TO BAY. ADDRESSING DIFFERENT OPTIONS WILL ADDRESS SEVERAL STORMWATER PROBLEMS, SUCH AS PALMA CEIA PINES, FLOODING, ALBANY PINE, CONCORDIA AND EUCLID FLOODING AND THE EXPRESSWAY OPEN DRAIN SYSTEM THAT CONTRIBUTED TO OUR FLOODING AND MOSQUITOES. AND THIS IS LESS IMPACT AND MORE BENEFITS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, PAMELA. >> HOPE YOU UNDERSTOOD ALL THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE DID. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAS THIS IN REPLACEMENT OF THE HOWARD AVENUE PROJECT? >> YES, IT IS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NEXT SPEAKER. >> I'M ALREADY HERE. I GUESS I WILL BE THE NEXT SPEAKER. STEVE MICHELINI. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FOLKS, BUT ESPECIALLY THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS ALLIANCE. ANYWAY, MAINTENANCE SHOULD BE THE FIRST FOCUS BEFORE YOU ENTERTAIN ANY CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT ARE LARGE. SMALL CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE ONE THING. LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS SHOULD BE POSTPONED. SOME OF THESE AREAS HAVEN'T BEEN MAINTAINED FOR MORE THAN SEVEN TO TEN TO 15 YEARS. RESTORE THE EXISTING CAPACITY OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM FIRST. THE PUMP STATIONS WITH BACKUP GENERATORS SHOULD BE A HIGH PRIORITY. SMALLER PROJECTS SHOULD BE RECOMMENDED AND APPROVED. PONDS AND DITCH MAINTENANCE WITH HARDENING OF DITCH SITES SHOULD BE A PRIORITY. WHO CONTROLS THE MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE. SOME OF THE PROJECTS, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE BUDGETED, HAVE NOT BEEN CONDUCTED FOR QUITE A WHILE. BUDGET IS THE ISSUE -- IS NOT THE ISSUE. THE ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES IS THE ISSUE. INCREASE THE NUMBER OF FIELD STAFF AND EQUIPMENT. AND THAT SHOULD BE A TOP PRIORITY. CURRENT NEEDS NEED IMMEDIATE ATTENTION AND CAN'T DO IT WITH THE CURRENT CITY STAFF. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE THAT WITH PRIVATE CONTRACTORS. START WITH THE AREAS THAT FLOODED AND DO SMALL POCKET PROJECTS WHICH ADDRESS THE FLOODING IN THOSE AREAS. TRYING TO RESOLVE AN AREA-WIDE FLOODING PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE INEFFICIENT. YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO IT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO IMPACT TOO MANY OTHER PLACES. I HEARD THE COMMENT ABOUT LEGACY PROJECT. THE LEGACY PROJECT, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS. YOU CANNOT SOLVE THIS PROBLEM IN SOME MASSIVE PROJECT. YOU JUST CAN'T. THE CITY'S OWN ESTIMATE IS 3.3-INCH RAIN ALLOCATION FOR SOUTH HOWARD. ARE THE CRAs CONTRIBUTING FOR THEIR OWN FAIR SHARE OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH STORMWATER? SIDEWALKS AND LOCAL STREETS SHOULD HAVE PERMEABLE ASPHALT OR MATERIAL, AND THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN CREDITS AGAINST TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES. BRICK STREETS ARE PERMEABLE. DON'T ABANDON EXISTING FOR NEW PROJECTS. CREDITS AGAINST IMPACT FEES SHOULD BE LOOKED AT. MAKE THE FINES FOR DISRUPTING THE STORMWATER SYSTEM, THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY LAW. PAY THE STAFF AND THE FIELD MORE MONEY SO THAT THEY DO NOT DESERT THAT DEPARTMENT AND THEY REMAIN IN THAT DEPARTMENT. THE FIELD STAFF, NOT THE SUPERVISOR AND NOT THE MANAGEMENT STAFF. RESERVE FUNDS, IF NECESSARY, ALLOCATE RESERVE FUNDS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE. IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL PROJECT, I THINK I OUTLINED A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY THAT WOULD HELP. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MR. MICHELINI. NEXT SPEAKER. STATE YOUR NAME IS THIS PAUSE FOR DRAMATIC EFFECT? >> WAITING FOR YOU TO GET MY PAPER SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. I TOOK THE -- STEPHANIE POYNOR. I TOOK THE INFORMATION FROM THIS MONTHLY STORMWATER THING. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I HAD IT UNTIL FRIDAY. IT FELL OUT OF SOMETHING IN MY BAG. ANYWAY, I TOOK THE INFORMATION FROM THIS AND I PUT IT IN THE SPREADSHEET, BECAUSE I LIKE TO SEE ALL THE NUMBERS TOGETHER. THEY JUST MAKE ME HAPPY WHEN THEY ARE TOGETHER. IS IT TOO HIGH? SO I HAD SOME QUESTIONS. WE HAD 313 TREES IN DITCHES IN THE LAST YEAR. I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING. ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING THINGS ON THE SHEET TO ME WAS THAT EVERY QUARTER, ALL 13 PUMPING STATIONS WERE SERVICED. ONLY ONE OF THE FOUR QUARTERS DID THEY RECORD HOW MANY HOURS THEY SPENT SERVICING THEM WHICH MAKES ME QUESTION IT. THE OTHER THING IS, IT'S NOT ON THIS SHEET, I TOOK IT OFF. IT SAID 126 PONDS CLEANED EVERY QUARTER. I THOUGHT, OH, 126 PONDS, THEY CLEAN THEM EVERY QUARTER. YET THIS SPREADSHEET, THAT STORMWATER PRESENTED, SAYS THERE'S 148 PONDS. SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE ABOUT, HAS THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT EVER GOTTEN THIS INFORMATION TO THE COUNTY? BECAUSE THIS IS THE THING THEY HANDED OUT FROM THE STORMWATER MEETING FOR THE COUNTY AT JAN PLATT, AND THEY HAD NONE OF THIS INFORMATION. DO WE HAVE THE DATA AND HAS IT BEEN GIVEN? I'D LOVE TO SEE IT. OKAY, WE DID THIS LAST YEAR, TOO. LAST YEAR, I CAME UP HERE AND I SAID, OH, 104, 105 PEOPLE IN THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT. AND THEN WE FOUND SOME OF THEM, BUT WE EVIDENTLY FOUND MORE BECAUSE THIS NUMBER SAYS 62 PLUS 22, WHICH IS 84 IN MY WORLD. BUT STEPHANIE POYNOR LOVES TO COUNT. I WENT THROUGH THESE, AND THERE'S 95 PEOPLE ON THE LIST FOR STORMWATER. SO WHICH IS IT? 84? 95? AND SEE, WE TOOK THAT ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF HEAD COUNT OUT OF THERE FROM LAST YEAR. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE I GOT THIS PowerPoint FROM. SO I HAVE ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS. ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT SOMETHING I'VE FORGOTTEN A MILLION TIMES. THESE GUYS CLEANING OUT DITCHES ARE NOT CARRYING OFF THEIR YARD WASTE. THEY DO NOT CARRY OFF PALM FRONDS. THEY DO NOT CARRY OFF TREE TRUNKS. I WATCHED PUT SOME ON ROBINSON PROPERTY, BUT I DON'T HAVE ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD. PARADES ARE NOT ABOUT THE MONEY. THEY ARE ABOUT THE MANPOWER. THEY ARE ABOUT SOMEBODY NOT DOING THE STORMWATER. WHY ARE THERE NO GRANTS AVAILABLE THIS YEAR? IF YOU LOOK AT THE TIMELINE, THERE ARE NO GRANTS. NO GRANT PAGE IN OUR BUDGETS. THE POLICY, THE SCHEDULES OF REVENUE AND EXPENSES ONLY HAS ONE STORMWATER -- MAYBE IT CHANGED SINCE I SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT THE OTHER DAY. I DON'T KNOW. LET'S SEE. OH! AND HERE IS ANOTHER QUESTION. I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT WHAT MS. EVANS TOLD US THAT WE HAVE TO BE EQUITABLE IN THE DISTRIBUTION, SERVICING 23 HOUSES WITH THE HOWARD STORMWATER PROJECT IS NOT EQUITABLE TO EVERYBODY ELSE WHO LIVES IN SOUTH TAMPA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MS. POYNOR. NEXT SPEAKER. >> MY NAME IS MICHELLE. I'M HERE TODAY TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I CAN'T UNDERSTAND -- >> SPEAK UP, PLEASE. >> I'M TRYING TO MAKE UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THIS BECAUSE WHAT I SEE I'VE NOT SEEN A TRUCK IN MY AREA. I HAVE SEEN NO HELP. I'M JUST GOING TO SHOW YOU SOME FOOTAGES OF HOW THE WATER DRAINS IN THE AREA. IT'S COMING, IT GOT REROUTED IN 2022. SO WHERE THE APARTMENTS WERE, THEY REROUTED IT NOW TO THE MIDDLE OF MY PRESERVE, NOT MY PRESERVE, BUT TO THE PRESERVE. WATCH THE PRESERVE. YOU'LL SEE NOTHING -- IT'S GOING IN ON AN ANGLE. NOW IT'S DESTROYING THE PARK ON TOP OF DESTROYING THE PARK, THEY ARE SAYING THE PARK IS THE ISSUE WHEN THE PARK NEVER HAD AN ISSUE. AND THEY ARE JUST RUINING EVERYTHING. MY FRONT YARD IS BECOMING A POOL. THIS IS WHAT THE PARKS LOOKS LIKE NOW. THIS IS THE STREET WHERE MY NEIGHBOR IS. THIS IS WHERE -- LOOK AT PRESCOTT. ALL THE ROADS PILING UP. THAT IS THE PRESERVE. THE WATER JUST KEEPS FILLING, AND THEY ARE NOT COMING AND HELPING. SO THIS IS A PROJECTOR OF WHAT THE FUTURE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. AND MY HOUSE IS RIGHT HERE. IF YOU SEE, IT'S WATER RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE. SO HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? WATER HAS NEVER BEEN IN THE PRESERVE. THE PRESERVE USED TO LOOK LIKE THIS. I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF WHAT IS GOING ON AND WHY IS THERE NOTHING BEING DONE IN THE AREA. FURTHERMORE, THEY PUT A NEW PIPE SECRETLY IN 2022 TO REVERT THE PIPES, SO IT GOES -- SO THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE APARTMENT SHOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE, THE WESTSHORE POINT, ON THE POINT AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DID. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE. I SEE A LOT OF CONCRETE. FROM THIS TO THIS. WHAT A DIFFERENCE. THIS IS DURING THE PANDEMIC WHEN STUFF WAS OVERLOOKED. I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU, PRESCOTT IS GETTING RIPPED UP WHERE THE APARTMENTS ARE. AGAIN, THE ROAD IS FALLING APART WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS. EVERYTHING COLLAPSING. LANCASTER IS COLLAPSING AS WE WATCH. IT IS VERY DEPRESSING. THIS IS HOW THE PRESERVE USED TO LOOK. KIDS WERE PLAYING. IT WAS BEAUTIFUL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO EXTEND THE TIME FOR ONE MINUTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >> THIS IS HOW IT USED TO LOOK. YOU COULD PLAY. YOU COULD DO ALL THIS STUFF. THAT IS TAPPAN PARK. NOW IT IS BECOMING WATER. LOOK AT IT NOW. IT'S DESTROYED. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE TAKING IT SERIOUSLY. THIS IS A VIDEO OF HOW THEY SECRETLY REROUTED THE WATER TO MY NEIGHBOR. IT USED TO GO TO THE LAND WHERE THE APARTMENTS WERE AND THEY BLOCKED THE CHAMBERS. THEY UPROOTED MANGROVES. ONLY ALLOWED TO GET TWO ACRES TO UPROOT. THEY MOVED THEM TO RUSKIN. NOW YOU CAN SEE THIS PIPE, THIS IS WHAT THEY CONSIDER TO TAKE -- THEY DID THIS AND I CAN'T FIND NO PERMITS ON THIS. I CAN'T FIND NOTHING ABOUT THIS. THIS WAS VERY SECRETLY DONE IN 2022. IT'S VERY -- AND LOOK HOW BRAND-NEW IT IS. IT'S BRAND-NEW. EVERYTHING IS FALLING APART. LOOK AT HOW IT'S FLOWING. THEY DESTROYED A NEIGHBORHOOD. I FEEL VERDEX CONSTRUCTION NEEDS TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. OH, YEAH, THEY SAID IT WAS A FIRE HYDRANT. IT WAS A MAIN WATER BREAK. AND THIS IS WHAT WE GET. THEY PRIVATELY DID THIS SO NO ONE CAN SEE. THEY PUT IT AND MADE A BIG WALL. THIS IS WHY WE'RE NOT GETTING THE WATER OUT. THERE IS ALSO ONE OTHER THING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY DID NOT PICK UP YOUR NAME AT THE BEGINNING. >> MICHELLE MASS TRO CA TERRA. I WANT TO SHOW YOU THE APARTMENTS OBTAINED ACCESS INTO THE APARTMENTS AND THE APARTMENTS ARE OVERFLOWED WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF DEBRIS. THESE ARE THEIR RETENTION POND. I COUNTED ONE RETENTION POND ALONG THE TRACKS. AND THERE IS ONE DIRECTLY IN THE MIDDLE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MICHELLE. A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. JUST -- JUST A QUESTION FOR STAFF. SHE'S BEEN BEFORE US MANY TIMES. I'M SURPRISED SHE'S ABLE TO SPEAK BECAUSE OF FAMILY ILLNESS AND THINGS. >> TRIED NOT TO BRING THAT UP. >>BILL CARLSON: IS THERE SOMEBODY -- CAN WE PUT -- SHE'S HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE MAYOR. SHE'S HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF. >> JEAN DUNCAN. THE GOVERNOR. >>BILL CARLSON: BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANY SOLUTIONS. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SOMEBODY COULD JUST TAKE HER ON AS A PROJECT. >> I HAD SOMEONE TELL ME -- >>BILL CARLSON: LET ME SAY THIS REAL FAST BEFORE YOU SPEAK. I THINK I CAME TO YOUR HOUSE THE DAY AFTER THE STORM. >> YES, YOU DID. >>BILL CARLSON: BUT THE HOME, IT'S NOT JUST HER HOUSE, ALL THE HOUSES ON THAT STREET AND THE STREET BEHIND AND THE STREET BEHIND ALL FLOODED. >> 24 FAMILIES HAD LEFT. >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER? >> JEFF DeBOSIER, STORMWATER ENGINEERING. I DID TALK TO MICHELLE LAST FRIDAY AND TOLD HER THAT I'M LOOKING INTO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX ACROSS THE STREET FROM HER AND WE'RE LOOKING INTO THE PERMITTING AND ALL AND JUST CONFIRMING. WE'VE DONE A BROADBRUSH REVIEW ALREADY. IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE, BUT WE'LL DO A DEEPER DIVE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE. >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH. THE SECOND PART OF IT WITH STORM SURGE, WHICH WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT, TALK ABOUT LATER, I WONDER IF THAT AREA COULD BE A BETA TEST FOR SOME STORM SURGE SOLUTION. I KNOW IN PLACES WHERE THERE'S TSUNAMIS, LIKE IN JAPAN AND HAWAII, THEY PUT CONCRETE BARRIERS IN THE WATER TO TRY TO STOP THE SPEED OR FORCE OF THE WAVES. I WONDER IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN DO FARTHER OUT BEFORE THE WATER HITS THAT AREA. I'M NOT ASKING FOR A SOLUTION RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT AREA IS REALLY PRONE TO FLOODING BUT ALSO TO THE HUGE, EIGHT-FOOT WAVE THAT CAME ALL THE WAY ACROSS AND HIT YOU ALL. ANYWAY, JUST AN IDEA. IF YOU HAVE ANY SOLUTIONS, JEFF OR ANYBODY ELSE, PLEASE LET US KNOW. WE'D LOVE TO TRY TO HELP HER. >> WE KNOW STORM SURGE IS A BIGGER CHALLENGE, AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT, TOO, JUST TO SEE IF THERE'S -- >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALONG THE SAME QUESTION MR. CARLSON WAS -- IS THIS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED WITH THE STORM OR HAPPENING NOW? WITH JUST THE RAINFALL THAT YOU HAVE? AND WHO TOOK THE MANGROVES OUT? >> VER DECKS CONSTRUCTION WAS ALLOWED TO OBTAIN WITH A UNAM PERMIT, ALLOWED TO UPROOT MANGROVES ON PROTECTED WETLAND. THEY TOOK MORE THAN TWO ACRES. THEY TOOK A LOT OF MANGROVES AND BOUGHT PROPERTY IN RUSKIN AND PLANTED IT THERE. NOT EVEN NEAR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS. >> THEY RUPEENED THE -- THEY RUINED THE ECOSYSTEM. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD WHEN A BUILDING GOES UP THAT IT MET ALL THE STORMWATER AND WATER WOULD BE RETAINED ON THEIR PROPERTY. FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, I'M NOT ACCUSING ANYONE, BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT SOMEONE TOOK THE MANGROVES AND PLANTED SOMEWHERE ELSE SO THEY COULD GET MEDIATED CREDIT FOR TAKING OF SOMETHING AND PUTTING IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> SOME OF IT WAS IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. THEY BROUGHT IT ALL THE WAY TO RUSKIN. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M BOTHERED BY HER SITUATION. I'M BOTHERED MOST BY THE MANGROVES. I'M BOTHERED BY IF IT IS FLOODING NOW WITHOUT ANY HURRICANE COMING AROUND, WE HAVE A PROBLEM. I'M NOT SAYING WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE, BUT IT IS THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. IS IT THE CITY? IS IT THE DEVELOPER? WHO IS IT? I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. >> LACK OF MAINTENANCE. A LANGUAGE OF MAINTENANCE ALSO. -- A LACK OF MAINTENANCE. IN 15 YEARS, I'VE NOT SEEN NO MAINTENANCE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF THEY HAVE TAKEN MANGROVES OUT, THE STATE ALLOWS YOU TO DO IT I BELIEVE -- >> ONLY TWO ACRES. ONLY ALLOWED TO DO TWO ACRES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TWO ACRES IS A LOT OF LAND. >> I KNOW. THEY HAVE MORE THAN TWO ACRES AND YOU SEE ALL THE CEMENT VERSUS WHAT YOU SAW GREENSPACE AROUND. THE TWO COMPARISONS, ONE HAS ALL THE CEMENT AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. THEY ACTUALLY TOOK OUR CHAMBERS WHERE ALL OUR OVERFLOW WATER WAS AND THEY FILLED THEM IN. AND THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO THIS, AND I SPOKE WITH S.W.F.W.M.D.'S ATTORNEYS ABOUT THIS PERSONALLY. THEY TOLD ME THAT THEY DID THIS TO US. NOW -- THEY REROUTED IT IN 2022. SO NOW IT COMES IN ON AN ANGLE TO US. RIGHT DIRECTLY TO MY NEIGHBORS AND MY HOUSE. I'M GETTING SWIMMING POOLS AND I'M GETTING SINKHOLES. AND MY HOUSE IS HISTORICAL. MY HOUSE IS OVER A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING YEARS OLD. AND THAT IS WHAT GOOD BONES, AND THEY ARE DESTROYING SUCH A BEAUTIFUL -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU NEVER HAD A PROBLEM BEFORE THIS? >> NEVER IN MY LIFE UNTIL THOSE APARTMENTS CAME. AND MARK FORNEY, HE IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE BUILDERS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HOW MANY UNITS ARE THEY IN THE APARTMENTS? >> I DON'T KNOW. HUGE. THEY BLOCKED THE CHAMBERS WITH TWO HUGE WALLS WITH CEMENT AND THEY BUILT APARTMENTS WITH GARAGES. I'LL SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID. WHAT THEY DID WAS, THEY BUILT THESE APARTMENTS AND THEY LITERALLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DID IT, BUT THEY BLOCKED EVERYTHING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AFTER THIS I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF THE PURPOSE OF THIS HEARING FOR FY '26, BUT I THINK IT'S VALID ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE PURSUED, BUT I THINK PROBABLY THIS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR A COUNCIL MOTION FOR AN INVESTIGATION DURING AN OFFICIAL COUNCIL MEETING. I WOULD SAY WE'LL END THE DISCUSSION AFTER SHE PRESENTS THE PICTURE AND GIVES A DESCRIPTION. IF THE COUNCIL WISHES TO BRING THAT UP, I SUGGEST SOMEBODY BRING THAT MOTION IN NEW BUSINESS. >> THIS IS ACTUALLY THE PICTURE OF THEM BLOCKING. THEY PURPOSEFULLY BUILT THESE WALLS, PURPOSEFULLY TO BLOCK. THE LITTLE BLUE DOT ON HERE IS MY HOUSE. SO YOU SEE WHERE AND WHAT IT'S DOING. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'LL MAKE A MOTION SOMETIME, AFTER WE FINISH WITH THE STORMWATER. THANK YOU FOR COMING HERE. >> I WANT TO MAKE WHAT IS RIGHT HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH MICHELLE. NEXT SPEAKER. >> JAMES ADAIR, THE AGENT WHO CARES. I DIDN'T REALLY COME WITH ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO SAY. I JUST WANTED TO SIT AND LEARN AND GATHER MORE KNOWLEDGE. THANK YOU TO MANY OF MY NEW FRIENDS. I STARTED THIS JOURNEY NOT KNOWING WHERE IT WOULD GO. BOY, HAVE WE LEARNED A LOT. MOSTLY I STARTED THIS JOURNEY AFTER THE 20-MINUTE HURRICANE AND I REALIZED THAT I WAS STILL AT PERIL. SINCE THEN, MOBILITY AND STORMWATER HAS CLEARED OUT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM FOR ME. SO NOW IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF TRANSITIONING TO SAY, HEY, NOW THAT I'M GOOD, WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF MY NEIGHBORS. THAT'S MY MINDSET AT THIS POINT. IN MY NOTES, I AM LOOKING FOR A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, REALLY. COMMUNICATIONS. SMOOTH JOSH, MAYBE HE SHOULD START DOING VIDEOS THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE EXPLANATORY. I TALKED WITH HIM ABOUT A COUPLE OF POSTS AND WHATNOT. I THINK THEY ARE IMPORTANT TO GET PUBLIC BUY-IN ON THE GOOD THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING. AND HE'S GOOD ENOUGH ON CAMERA THAT I THINK VIDEO WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. I KNOW THERE IS A LEARNING CURVE. HEY, WHEN YOUR HOUSE FLOODS, YOU GET REMOTIVATED. PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE. SO THAT'S GREAT. ALSO ON FILLING IN THE STORM DRAINS BY LAWN CREWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, MAYBE WE COULD STAGE A BUS AND START HANDING OUT FINES ON CAMERA. SOME IDEAS. IF PEOPLE AREN'T SCARED OR DON'T THINK IT IS A REAL THING, NOBODY IS GOING TO CHANGE. CALL IT WHAT IT IS. HUNDRED DOLLARS, WHAT DOES THAT MATTER? IS -- AGAIN, SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE RANDOM AS THE MEETING WENT SO THEY WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OUT OF FLOW. IS IT BETTER TO KEEP A SLIMMER TECH STAFF OR HIRE THE CONTRACTORS AS NEEDED? HONESTLY, I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE ANSWER, QUITE FRANKLY. I THOUGHT WE WERE UNDERSTAFFED, NEED TO BEEF THAT UP. POSSIBLY ONCE WE CATCH THAT UP, MAYBE A SLIMMER STAFF IS THE WAY TO GO. EARLIER MEETING FROM FINANCIAL OUTLOOK FOR THE REST OF THE ECONOMY, MAYBE A SLIMMER STAFF IS SMART AS WELL IF WE ALL GET LEAN IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS. WHAT IF WE PRIORITIZE DITCH GRADING TO BE DONE BEFORE RAINY SEASON? IT ALLOWS THE REST OF THE SEED TO CATCH. IT'S TRUE. I'M GRATEFUL FOR WHAT'S BEEN DUG, BUT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF SLIDE STILL GOING ON. DEMORALIZING FOR THE GUYS WHO SCOOPED IT OUT, YEA, AND THEN GO BACK AND REDO THE WORK. I ENCOURAGE STAFF, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, DON'T MAKE IT UP. IT RUINS CREDIBILITY. SOMETIMES THERE IS A NEED TO GIVE ME AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW. I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE REAL ANSWER LATER AND TO FIND OUT THAN TO THINK IT WAS AN ERRONEOUS ANSWER OR A LIE. NOW THERE ARE A LOT MORE E-MAILS GOING BACK AND FORTH. DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO ANSWER IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER. LET'S WORK ON GETTING GOOD ANSWERS. THIS MAP, BY THE WAY, IS FREAKING GREAT. KUDOS. THIS IS ENORMOUS. UPCOMING WORK IS IMPORTANT TO ROLL OUT AS WELL. I TALKED TO SMOOTH JOSH ABOUT IT. THERE WAS SO MUCH WORK TO DO. DIDN'T LIKE WE -- THE CITY HAD GOTTEN MUCH ACCOMPLISHED. BUT THE REALITY IS IT IS A VERY GOOD TOOL FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO LOOK IT UP. IT CAN BE BUILT UPON. ONE THING I THINK WE DO NEED, UPCOMING WORK FLOW. THE HEAT MAP WHICH YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT, IMPORTANT TO SAY THIS IS WHAT IS NEXT. A LOT OF NEIGHBORS, ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE TYSON DONE. WHAT ABOUT ME? WHAT ABOUT MICHELLE? WHEN COMING TO ME. SHE MIGHT HAVE A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE. PLENTY OF DITCHES. NOT MY JOB TO ANSWER BUT I'M ADVOCATING TO TRY TO GET, HEY, YOU ARE ON THE WAIT LIST. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS A MOTION. -- ALL IN FAVOR AYE. >> WITH MICHELLE'S SITUATION, I WAS SITTING THERE BRAINSTORMING IT OUT. IF YOU CHECK THE BUILDER'S CREDIT ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE PAYING STORMWATER, WE CAN PROBABLY FIND OUT IF THERE IS HUNDRED PERCENT OR NOT ON THE MITIGATION AND FIND OUT IF THE DRAINAGE POND IS REMOTELY ADEQUATE. THAT IS A SMALL POND. EVEN THE FISH WOULD FEEL CRAMPED. APPRECIATE ALL THE HANDS ON DECK. JONATHAN, IF YOU TALKED TO HIM ON THE REGULAR, CRUSHING IT UP. PHENOMENAL GRADER. I DON'T THINK HE HAS TO WORK SIX DAYS A WEEK. I APPRECIATE THERE ARE SCHEDULING ISSUES, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO NOT BURN THE GUYS UP. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>BILL CARLSON: THERE IS THIS DISCUSSION WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE VERSUS MAINTENANCE. DO YOU THINK THAT MAINTENANCE WAS IMPORTANT TO PROTECTING YOUR HOUSE? DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO PROTECTING YOUR NEIGHBORS? >> YEAH, SO, AND HERE IS THE THING, WHEN WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS, THE CITY -- I'LL JUST SAY COLLECTIVELY, RIGHT, NO WAY TO PREPARE FOR THE STORM. I GET IT. WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE. MY DRAINS WERE CLEARED OUT AFTER THE STORM AND REFILLED UP THREE-QUARTERS OF THE WAY IN ONE YEAR. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A COLLECTION PROBLEM IN MY PARTICULAR AREA. THESE BIG IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ARE GOOD IN SOME WAYS THAT THEY ALLEVIATE THE NEPTUNE -- GREAT THAT IT IS FIXED. SERVES THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. BUT IF WE'RE NOT MAINTAINING WHAT WE'VE GOT, THESE ARE PLANTED TREES. THESE AREN'T FALLEN TREES. WE NEED THIS MAINTENANCE. I CAME TO THE AWARENESS THAT WE ARE ESSENTIALLY LOOKING AT $15 MILLION BUDGET AND $24 MILLION BUDGET. I HAD NO IDEA THE VOLUME OF MONEY. ONLY 4 MILLION IN PROJECTS AFTER DEBT SERVICE. IT'S NOT INTEREST. IT IS THE REST OF THE DEBT SERVICE. FIGURE OUT A WAY TO COME UP WITH MORE MONEY TO SERVICE THE PROJECTS AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE MEANINGFUL. RIGHT NOW $15 MILLION REGULAR BUDGET TO DO THIS MAINTENANCE STUFF. REALLY, THE QUESTIONS, I THINK, PROBABLY STAFF IS COMING UP WITH SOLUTIONS, HEY, WE NEED MORE CONTRACTORS TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF QUALIFIED TO RUN THE BACKHOES, CREWS TO WAIT IN THE TRUCKS. HOW THAT WORKS IS A WHOLE SET OF ISSUES THAT GO AWAY IF YOU HIRE PEOPLE TEMPORARILY. I THINK IF WE GET IT DONE BEFORE STORM SEASON, I THINK WE'RE SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR A WIN. ONCE WE'RE DUG OUT OF THE HOLE, I THINK THAT IS A PIECE OF THE PIE. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY KNOWS HOW TO GET OUT OF THE HOLE. I THINK THAT IS A FAIR CONCLUSION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANNELISE. >> THANK YOU. ANNELIESE MEIER, PARKLAND ESTATES HISTORIC PRESERVATION. I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR BEING ON EVERYTHING NOW SINCE THE HURRICANES. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT ALL OF THIS HAS COME UPON US, ALL THIS SCRUTINY SINCE THE HURRICANES. WE HAVE BEEN THE BEEN DOING A VERY GOOD JOB. OKAY. AGAIN, I'LL THANK STAFF BEFORE I GO INTO ALL THIS BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WORK HARD AND I THINK YOU ARE UNDERFUNDED. I KNOW YOU ARE UNDERFUNDED. I WANT TO DIRECT CITY COUNCIL'S ATTENTION BACK TO SOME AUDITS, SPECIFICALLY AN AUDIT DONE LAST YEAR ON THE BRIDGE AND STORMWATER PUMP MAINTENANCE. NO FORMAL SOP MANUAL FOR JOB ACTIVITIES, STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES. NO COMPREHENSIVE PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM. MAINTENANCE RECORDS ARE NOT BEING KEPT. INSPECTION CHECKLISTS ARE NOT BEING PERFORMED AND QUALITY REVIEW NOTES ARE NOT BEING TRACKED AND RECORDED. THAT IS THE PUMP STATIONS. I'M NOT BRINGING UP THE PAVING AUDIT. THEY ARE ALL UNDER WHAT CATEGORY MOBILITY. YOU HAVE GOT TO TAKE ALL THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AWAY FROM MOBILITY. THEY DON'T BELONG THERE. YOU ARE COMINGLING SO MANY THINGS TOGETHER. YOU CANNOT FOLLOW THE SALARIES FROM 2019. YOU CAN'T FOLLOW ANYTHING. STEPHANIE BROUGHT UP AN EXCELLENT POINT ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THIS DEPARTMENT, HOW MANY PEOPLE IN THAT DEPARTMENT. I STARTED LOOKING AT THE SALARIES. YOU'RE AWARE I POSTED SOMETHING ON NEXT DOOR. BOY IT GENERATED SO MANY COMMENTS. UNREAL. WE PAY VERY GOOD SALARIES IN THE CITY. WHY AREN'T WE GETTING THE TOP QUALITY CANDIDATES IN THESE POSITIONS. ON THAT NOTE, MR. SHELBY, YOU SHOULD BE EARNING $20,000 MORE BECAUSE YOU EARNED $20,000 LESS THAN THE ATTORNEY TO THE HIGHEST PAID ATTORNEY TO. YOU ALL NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE YOU PROTECT THIS BOARD VERY WELL. NOW BACK TO STORMWATER. THE LAST DIRECTOR KEPT MENTIONING BUSINESS PLAN, BUSINESS PLAN, WON'T BE DONE UNTIL DOSE OR JANUARY. WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD AND THINGS LIKE THAT? WE DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN. ELIE ARAJ GOT UP HERE, APPLIED SCIENCE, HE'S NOT FINISHED WITH HIS BASIN STUDY UNTIL JANUARY OR FEBRUARY. WATERSHEDS DO CHANGE. YOU PUT UP AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, A WATERSHED CHANGES. SO HOW ARE YOU POURING ALL THESE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO SOUTH HOWARD. I WON'T GO MORE ON SOUTH HOWARD. DID THE ENTERPRISE. THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT. THERE ARE TWO TAXES. THEY KEEP LUMPING THEM ALL KIND OF TOGETHER. EACH TAX BRINGS IN ABOUT 13 MILLION A YEAR. DID YOU LOOK AT HOW MUCH SALARIES WERE? 13 MILLION. HELLO. HELLO HELLO HELLO. SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT HERE. ALSO, THE CITY CHANGED EVERYTHING ON THE WEBSITE IN RELATION TO THE STORMWATER TAXES. >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE MORE MINUTE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FOR AN EXTRA MINUTE. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >> EVERY PAGE DEDICATED TO STORMWATER ASSESSMENT WAS CHANGED IN MARCH OR APRIL OF THIS YEAR. THE WEBSITE TRACKS ALL THAT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING TO NOTE. LET'S GO BACK TO WHAT IS OWNED AND WHAT IS RENTED ON ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT. I'M STILL CONFUSED. I HEARD WE ONLY HAVE TWO SWEEPERS. I HEARD WE RENT THEM ALL. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS OWNED AND RENTED. THAT WAS NOT THERE. IT JUST LISTED ALL THE TRUCKS. YOU HAVE 43 PERSONNEL IN THE FIELD. 80 SOME TRUCKS, SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT. I KNOW MANAGERS HAVE TO GO OUT INTO TRUCKS AND CHECK ON THINGS. YELLOW LINED PROPERTIES. NOBODY KNEW THEY LIVED IN A YELLOW L LINED PROPERTY. WHY ISN'T THAT ON THE DEED? YELLOW LINED PROPERTY, PROPERTIES THAT CAN FLOOD. MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS DID NOT KNOW IT. I DID NOT FLOOD. WHY? BECAUSE I HAVE A TROPICAL BACKYARD AND I ALSO HAVE A FRENCH DRAIN. BUILDING PERMITS, MY LAST ITEM HERE, SO OUR BUILDING SITES, RECENTLY THEY CAME AND THEY DUG OUT SOME OF THE PIPES, THE STORMWATER PIPES IN PARKLAND, AND THEY FOUND CHUNKS OF CONCRETE, OTHER THINGS, BUILDING DEBRIS. HOW DID THAT GET IN THERE? OUR BUILDING SITES ARE A MESS. WHY AREN'T OUR BUILDING INSPECTORS GOING AFTER OUR BUILDERS AND FINING THEM FOR KEEPING THEIR PROJECTS IN A MESS. HOW DOES CONCRETE GET INTO A STORMWATER DRAIN? MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. TRUCKS GOING BY, EVERYTHING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. THANK YOU, STAFF, EVERYBODY. I APPRECIATE YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYBODY ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, THREE QUESTIONS, ACTUALLY. BRICK STREETS. ARE THEY FACTUALLY MORE PERMEABLE THAN ASPHALT STREETS? IS THERE A SCIENCE BEHIND THAT? I'M LOOKING AT YOU ALL. >> JEFF DeBOSIER AGAIN. BRICK STREETS ARE SLIGHTLY MORE PERVIOUS, BUT OVER TIME, THE SPACES BETWEEN THE BRICKS KIND OF GET COMPACTED. EVENTUALLY THE PERVIOUSNESS KIND OF DIMINISHES. >> THAT'S WHAT I HAD BEEN TOLD. BASICALLY ALMOST LIKE CONCRETE. >> THE BRICK ITSELF IS NOT PERVIOUS. THE SPACE BETWEEN THE BRICKS IS WHAT'S PERVIOUS. AGAIN, OVER TIME, IT GETS COMPACTED AND LESS -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NEXT QUESTION. THE HOSPITAL PALM IN P PALMA CEA PINES. THE INTENTION OF THE POND, WAS THAT TO GET WATERSHED OFF OF THE HOSPITAL PROPERTY OR WAS IT A GENERAL FLOOD MITIGATION POND? >> FROM MY RESEARCH ON THE POND, IT WAS BUILT AS A COOPERATIVE EFFORT WITH THE HOSPITAL OR WHOEVER THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROPERTY AT THE TIME AND THE CITY TO GET MORE STORAGE CAPACITY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT JUST INTENDED JUST FOR THE HOSPITAL. IT WAS INTENDED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD RELIEF PROJECT. >> YEAH, THE CITY WAS INVOLVED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT POND. I BELIEVE THEY PERMITTED IT. CITY PERMITTED IT AS WELL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO WE MAINTAIN THAT POND? >> YES, WE DO. IT STILL NEEDS MAINTENANCE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS IT A CITY RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THE POND? >> IT IS, YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THERE EVER ANY PLANS TO CREATE AN OUTFALL OR A PUMP FOR THAT POND? >> IT HAS A PUMP STATION. I BELIEVE I MENTIONED BEFORE IN OUR -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW DID I MISS THAT? PUMP STATION FOR THE MEMORIAL HOSPITAL POND. >> IT IS A LITTLE BIT TO THE NORTH BY THE RETIREMENT CENTER. >> THE SOLE PURPOSE WAS TO DRAIN THE POND DOWN BELOW THE AMBIENT GROUNDWATER TABLE TO RECOVER THE TREATMENT VOLUME IN THE BOTTOM OF THE POND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT TO DISPLACE WATER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> IT IS NOT A FLOOD RELIEF. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. IS THERE A PLAN FOR THAT -- A PLAN TO HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY AND A PUMP TO DISPLACE WATER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD? >> WELL, ASSUMING THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT GOES FORWARD, OUR HOPE IS TO BE ABLE TO ELIMINATE THAT BY INSTEAD OF PUMPING ANYTHING, ALLOWING TO FLOW BY GRAVITY TO THE BAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LAST QUESTION, BECAUSE IT CAME THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE VEHICLES. WHAT DO WE OWN? WHAT DO WE RENT OF THOSE VEHICLES THAT WERE LISTED? >> IT'S NOT MY DEPARTMENT. SORRY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. THANK YOU. >> BRYAN RODGERS, MOBILITY OPERATIONS MANAGER. COMBINATION. WE LEASE OUR SWEEPERS BUT WE OWN PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING ELSE. YES, SOON TO BE LEASING THREE BOOK HOES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE LEASE ALL THE SWEEPERS. >> YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I BELIEVE THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR MS. EVANS. I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR YOU. WE HAD A LOT OF FOLKS HERE TALKING TODAY ABOUT MAINTENANCE VERSUS CAPITAL EXPENDITURES AND HOW WE NEED TO SPEND MORE ON MAINTENANCE. BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF YOUR EARLIER EXPLANATION, THE TO WHERE ASSESSMENTS ARE DIFFERENT. ONE IS SOLELY FOR MAINTENANCE AND ONE IS FOR CAPITAL. DID I UNDERSTAND YOUR EXPLANATION CORRECTLY? >>McLANE EVANS: ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. YES, WITH ONE EXCEPTION. THE TWO FUNDS ARE LEGALLY DISTINCT. THE STORMWATER SERVICE ASSESSMENT IS SLIGHTLY BROADER IN THE SENSE THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THAT ASSESSMENT CALLS IT SPECIFICALLY -- LET ME REFERENCE MY NOTES. IT WAS ESTABLISHED FOR THE PROVISION OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SERVICES. SO THAT CAN INCLUDE THINGS LIKE ENGINEERING PLANNING FOR THOSE SERVICES. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT BROADER THAN JUST CLEANING DITCHES. BUT, YES, YOU ARE CORRECT. YOU CAN'T COMINGLE THE FUNDS FROM THE TWO ASSESSMENTS WITHOUT POTENTIALLY VIOLATING THE LAW. >>LYNN HURTAK: BECAUSE FOLKS HAVE TALKED ABOUT MAINTENANCE, WHAT KINDS OF PROJECTS CAN BE DONE WITH CAPITAL? DO THEY HAVE TO BE LARGE SCALE PROJECTS? OR CAN THEY BE SMALLER SCALE PROJECTS? >>McLANE EVANS: I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND DELVE INTO THE EXACT WORDING OF THE ORIGINAL ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT IN 2016 TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT CORRECTLY. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T THINK IT IS QUITE THAT SPECIFIC. THERE WAS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT LIST OF PROPOSED PROJECTS AND GENERAL AREAS WITH DOTS ON A MAP OF SMALLER AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT ATTACHED AS I RECALL. IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE I GIVE THE MOST ACCURATE ANSWER AS POSSIBLE, MAY I GET BACK TO YOU. >>LYNN HURTAK: I ALSO SAW MR. AWAD IN THE BACK. HE MAY HAVE AN ANSWER. >> ALEX AWAD, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. AS YOU KNOW, THE 300 MILLION THAT WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER, THAT WAS NOT JUST HENDERSON, DALE MABRY, SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, NORTH TAMPA BASIN OR CYPRESS STREET, THAT WAS ALSO INCLUDING OTHER SMALLER CIP PROJECTS THAT WE DID WITHIN THAT FIVE-, TEN-YEAR PERIOD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT WAS A SUPER LONG LIST. I HAVE THE ORIGINAL PAPER WORK, I THINK, AND IT WAS LIKE NEPTUNE LAGOON. BUT THEN WE FIXED HENDERSON AND DALE MABRY. BIGGER THING. THEN THERE WAS, BECAUSE I REMEMBER ANNELISE TELLING ME ABOUT MORRISON. SHE GOES, YOU DON'T SUPPORT THIS, MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS GOING TO BE MAD. THAT WAS ON THAT LIST. YEAH, NOW I CAN TELL YOU THE WHOLE HOUR-LONG STORY. >>LYNN HURTAK: MS. LEE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT UP AS WELL. DO WE STILL HAVE AVAILABILITY IN THE CAPITAL PROJECT TO DO SOME OF THE SMALLER WORK? >> AS YOU HAVE SEEN WE INCREASED INVESTMENT FOR OUR REHAB PROGRAM, FOR PARKS, BEACHES AND ALSO THE -- THOSE ARE EFFORTS THAT BEYOND THE MAINTENANCE CAN HANDLE. FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE THE DITCHES, YOU SEE SOMETIMES THERE ARE SOME SMALL PROBLEMS THAT WE CAN FIX THROUGH THE REGULAR MAINTENANCE. ONCE IT IS GETTING WORSE AND EVEN BEYOND THE MAINTENANCE CAN HANDLE, THAT'S WHY EARLIER THIS YEAR, YOU APPROVED TWO DITCH REHAB CONTRACT, 43rd STREET AND ALSO THERE IS ANOTHER ONE. THIS KIND OF PROJECTS, WE HAVE INCREASED OUR INVESTMENT ON FIXING THAT. THAT IS THE REHAB, AND ALSO YOU SEE HIGHLIGHTS HERE, WE ARE ESTABLISHING A FORMAL PUMP STATION PROGRAM, INCLUDING THE INITIAL INVESTMENT FOR ADDING THE PERMANENT GENERATORS AND OTHER ENHANCEMENTS AND COMING BACK TWO, THREE YEARS FOR ANOTHER ENHANCEMENT IN 2030. THAT'S SORT OF THINGS THAT WE ARE ALREADY ENHANCING OR REHAB PROGRAMS CITYWIDE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I HAVE ONE QUICK RANDOM QUESTION FOR I'M GUESSING FINANCE STAFF. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU NEED TO EVEN GET UP FOR THIS. MY QUESTION IS, OR I GUESS FOR EVERYBODY. WILL THESE -- SORRY. IT'S LATE. WILL THIS PACKET BE AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT? >> YES. IT WILL BE POSTED OnBase TOMORROW. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS WILL BE ON OnBase TOMORROW. WILL MS. KOPESKY'S VERSION ALSO BE ON OnBase? GREAT. EARLIER TODAY AND LAST WEEK, ALSO IN OnBase? THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC WHO WAS WATCHING TONIGHT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, I'M SORRY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I WANTED TO ASK EITHER JEFF OR YUAN IN WHAT IS CALLED PALMA CEIA PINES, I VISITED THE DAY AFTER THE STORMS, I THINK I WAS THE FIRST CITY PERSON IN THERE BECAUSE I CALLED VIK AND CHIEF OF STAFF FROM MY CAR AND TOLD THEM ABOUT THE FLOODING THAT HAD HAPPENED THERE. I WALKED INTO PEOPLE'S HOUSES, WALKED AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. TWO OF THE NEIGHBORS GOT IN MY CAR AND WE DROVE AROUND. ONE OF THE THINGS WE SAW WERE DITCHES THAT LOOKED LIKE THEY NEEDED TO BE DREDGED. NUMBER TWO, WE SAW THAT THE DITCHES WERE FULL OF DEBRIS FROM THE PREVIOUS STORM SO THAT COULD HAVE ADDED TO THINGS. THERE'S NOT ONLY THE RETENTION POND BY THE DOCTOR'S OFFICES THAT APPARENTLY HASN'T BEEN WELL MAINTAINED, BUT ANOTHER RETENTION POND. ALSO A PARKING LOT WHICH POTENTIALLY COULD BE A RETENTION POND IF WE NEEDED IT, TO BUY IT. BUT WE ALSO HEARD ABOUT HOW ASHLEY STREET HAD JUST BEEN RESURFACED. THIS IS AT A PLACE THAT IS X FLOOD ZONE. THEY HAD LIKE 18 INCHES OF RAIN OR FLOODING, WHICH THEY HAD NOT HAD BEFORE. ONE OF THE THINGS I SAW IS BY THE RETIREMENT CENTER THERE, THERE WAS A PUMP STATION THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS NOT OPERATING, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS BEING MAINTAINED, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS SOME KIND OF MAINTENANCE GOING ON. DO YOU KNOW IF THAT PUMP WAS, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT IT'S FOR A MINUTE AGO. DO YOU KNOW IF THE PUMP WAS OPERATIONAL DURING THOSE STORMS, OR WAS IT BEING REPAIRED FOR SOME REASON? I WONDER WHAT IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE HAD. >> AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE PUMP AT THE HOSPITAL WAS FUNCTIONING. BUT AS STAFF PREVIOUSLY INDICATED, THAT PUMP IS NOT FOR FLOOD RELIEF. AND AFTER THE STORM. >>BILL CARLSON: HOPEFULLY THE PUBLIC SEES, AS FRUSTRATED AS THE PUBLIC IS, WHEN THEY MEET WITH YOU ALL INDIVIDUALLY, WE HAVE GREAT CONVERSATIONS. AND YOU ALL ARE DOING HARD WORK TO TRY TO HELP EVERYONE. YOU'RE MEETING WITH PEOPLE INDIVIDUALLY AND AS GROUPS. THERE IS ANOTHER POLITICAL LAYER ON THIS SOMEHOW THAT IS TAINTING EVERYTHING. THIS HOWARD AVENUE PROJECT IN PARTICULAR, THE PUBLIC PERCEIVES IT AS A CHECK THE BOX BY THE ADMINISTRATION. AND THE PUBLIC DOESN'T TRUST IT. EVEN IF SOME OF YOUR ENGINEERS BELIEVE IT IS THE RIGHT SOLUTION, IT'S NOT THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T TRUST YOU ALL. THEY DON'T TRUST THE POLITICS AROUND IT. WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS IS A SOLUTION NOW. I KNOW THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN -- HAS GONE AT LEAST BACK TO THE IORIO ADMINISTRATION, BUT IN ITS CURRENT FORM, THE MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC BELIEVES THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THE MONEY COULD BE SPENT ELSEWHERE BETTER. THAT'S JUST A STATEMENT. THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL CAN ANSWER THIS, BUT YOU SAW THE MAP THAT STEPHANIE POYNOR PUT UP, WHICH WAS REALLY A SURGE MAP. IT DIDN'T SHOW THE FRESHWATER FLOODING. IS THERE ANY SOLUTION? SO THE WEST COAST OF DAVIS ISLAND, THE WEST COAST OF THE PENINSULA OF SOUTH TAMPA WHERE MICHELLE LIVES, IT WAS ALL HIT WITH LIKE SIX, EIGHT FOOT WAVES. IS THERE ANY SOLUTION FOR SURGE? DO WE HAVE A DEPARTMENT THAT IS ADDRESSING THAT? HOW CAN WE ADDRESS THAT AS THE CITY OR IS THERE SOME STATE OR FEDERAL AGENCY THAT IS ADDRESSING IT? >> WE APPRECIATE THIS QUESTION BECAUSE CITY OF TAMPA IS NOT ALONE REGARDING SURGE. AND WE ARE -- WE JUST KNOW THAT THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL HAS FORMED A COASTAL PLAN. THIS PLAN WILL BASICALLY COVER THIS ENTIRE REGION. AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE -- GOING TO HIRE EXPERTS IN THIS AREA TO DEVELOP STRATEGIES MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE IT IS ALSO PROVIDING THE STRATEGIES TO SECURE THE FUNDING BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY A LONG TERM SITUATION WE ARE ALL FACING IN THE FUTURE. AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN THE VULNERABILITY PLAN, THIS IS NOT JUST A CITY OF TAMPA ISSUE. IT'S FROM SARASOTA ALL THE WAY UP TO CITRUS COUNTY. >>BILL CARLSON: COULD YOU TELL US AGAIN WHAT THE ORGANIZATION IS? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE WEBSITE IS? >> TAMPA BAY REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL. >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT IS THE PROJECT CALLED? DO YOU KNOW? >> THEY JUST INITIATED IT. COASTAL MASTER PLAN BACK IN MAY. TWO TRACKS. ONE IS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT TRACK AND THERE IS A TECHNICAL GROUP AS WELL. OFFICE IS PART OF THE GROUP AND ALSO STORMWATER STAFF ARE BEING INVOLVED IN THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL. IT IS A FOUR-YEAR PLANNING EFFORT. >>BILL CARLSON: WHEN IT MAKES SENSE, SINCE YOU SEEM TO BE TRACKING IT, WHEN IT MAKES SENSE, LET US KNOW IF IT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM TO PRESENT, GIVE AN UPDATE. BECAUSE THE PUBLIC THAT WASN'T FLOODED BY FRESHWATER, OF COURSE, THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT THIS AS WELL. >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANTED TO PUT LIKE A PERIOD IN THIS. FRANKLY, I THOUGHT THIS WORKSHOP WAS VERY BENEFICIAL, TALKED A LOT ABOUT FUNDING, WHERE IT'S GOING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE HANGING IS, WE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CONVERSATIONS TONIGHT ABOUT HOW TO FUND WHAT'S NEXT. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A REPORT COMING, A BUSINESS MODEL BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. >> PROBABLY EARLY NEXT YEAR. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHEN WOULD WE EXPECT -- BECAUSE TO ME, THIS IS A -- WHEN IT HAPPENS IS IMPORTANT. SO IF IT IS THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR, JANUARY, FEBRUARY AT THE LATEST, SO WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION SO THAT WE ARE PREPARED FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE STILL IN WHAT I WOULD CALL CRISIS MODE, FIXING, TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN, BUT REALLY TALKING LONG TERM HOW WE IMPROVE THIS, WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE A PRE-BUDGET CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS GOING FORWARD. >> THAT'S CORRECT. OUR INTENT IS EVALUATE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES AND TO BRING BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. >>McLANE EVANS: ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. FOR THE PUBLIC, THE WEBSITE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE TAMPA BAY COASTAL MANAGEMENT PLAN IS COASTAL TAMPA BAY.ORG. THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT PLAN AND LEARN HOW TO GET INVOLVED IF THEY GO THERE. COASTALTAMPABAY.ORG. >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT. THANK YOU. SO DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION? OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T TONIGHT, ABOUT THAT REPORT COMING BACK TO US? >> THIS IS A FOUR-YEAR PLANNING EFFORT. >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT THEIR PLAN. OUR BUSINESS PLAN. >> YEAH, WE ARE GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THE REGULAR MEETINGS AND WE CAN BRING BACK THE INFORMATION TO THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AT A COUNCIL MEETING, NEW BUSINESS, MAKE A MOTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE IT GETS ON OUR CALENDARS SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT SOON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: RIGHT SET THE CONVERSATION, TWO DISTINCT AND SEPARATE ISSUES TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. WE HAVE STORM SURGE AND WE HAVE FRESHWATER FLOODING. WHILE SOME OF THEM HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME, THEY ARE VERY, VERY DIFFERENT ISSUES AND THEY AFFECT DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY IN VERY DIFFERENT WAYS. THERE ARE CERTAIN LEVELS OF EXPECTATIONS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO REALIZE. ONE, WHEN THE GULF OF MEXICO KNOCKS ON THE DOOR OF ALL THESE COASTAL AREAS, WE'RE NOT ENGINEERING OUR WAY OUT OF IT. BUT I THINK THE PLAN FOR NOT JUST OUR AREA, BUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY AND THE WORLD IS TO -- IT'S OUR BUILDING STANDARDS AND HOW WE BUILD. WE BUILD UP. ALL THE SINGLE STORY RESIDENT HOMES IN COASTAL HAZARD AREAS, QUITE HONESTLY, END UP HAVING TO BE REPLACED AS YOU SEE ALONG THE BEACHES, THEY ARE BEING REPLACED, BEING ELEVATED. THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN OUR CITY. SEE IT ON DAVIS ISLANDS, UNFORTUNATELY. LOSING SOME OF THE CHARACTER AND CHARM. FACT OF LIFE THAT WE LIVE IN A LOW-LYING AREA. IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE. WE'RE NOT STOPPING THE GULF OF MEXICO. WE CAN'T AFFORD TO STOP THE GULF OF MEXICO. IT'S NOT HAPPENING. IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO FLOOD AND NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. I THINK ALSO WE HAVE TO -- SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO REACH A CONSENSUS BETWEEN THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA OF WHAT IS AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF RESILIENCE FOR FRESHWATER FLOODING. HOW MUCH CAN WE AFFORD TO BUILD FOR WHAT TYPE OF LEVEL OF PROTECTION. I THINK WE SEE, AGAIN, ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, IT'S AMAZING, CLIMATE CHANGE IS HERE, BECAUSE I CAN'T TURN ON THE 6:30 NEWS AND NOT SEE FRESHWATER FLOODING ALL OVER THIS NATION. ENTIRE CITIES BEING SWEPT IN, FLOODED, ESPECIALLY IN THESE MOUNTAINOUS AREAS, YOU SEE THE FLOODING, DEVASTATION, LOSS OF LIVES. FRESHWATER DOWN, THE THREE, THREE AND A HALF INCHES, SIX INCHES OF RAIN COMING DOWN IN VERY SHORT PERIODS OF TIME. SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO REACH A CONSENSUS OF WHAT CAN WE BUILD, HOW MUCH CAN WE AFFORD TO BUILD TO PROTECT US FROM HOW MUCH RAINFALL DOWN FALL AND WHAT IS THE ACCEPTABLE LEVEL? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT CONSENSUS YET BETWEEN ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THE PUBLIC. I THINK THOSE OPEN AND HONEST CONVERSATIONS ARE WORTH HAVING. THIS WORKSHOP TONIGHT IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I'M GLAD WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS. SOME OF THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE, SOME PEOPLE WILL HAVE TO MOVE WITH THE ASSISTANCE, I THINK FEMA HAS THOSE ASSISTANCE LEVELS, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN BUYING HOMES AND RELOCATIONS BECAUSE SOMETIMES -- WE SAW SOME OF THESE HOUSES LIKE IN NORTH CAROLINA, THEY CAN'T REBUILD THERE ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY KEEP GETTING SWEPT OFF THEIR FOUNDATION OVER AND OVER AGAIN. >>BILL CARLSON: TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN MORE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, BUT THERE WERE HOUSES THAT 20, 30 YEARS AGO OR A HUNDRED YEARS AGO WERE PERMITTED IN FORMER LAKES OR RETENTION PONDS. THERE'S SOME 1998, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT WHERE THE CITY SAID TO THE DEVELOPER, OKAY, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO BUILD IN A RETENTION POND, BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO, YOU HAVE TO SIGN A WAIVER SO WE'RE NOT LIABLE. SO THE CITY IS NOT LIABLE, BUT WHY WOULD THEY HAVE ALLOWED FIVE EXPENSIVE HOUSES BE BUILT IN A RETENTION POND. NOW IT FLOODS AND CAUSES FLOODING BEHIND. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT BUYING HOUSES, I THINK IN CERTAIN AREAS, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO BUY HOUSES AND BUILD RETENTION PONDS OR TEMPORARY PLACES FOR OVERFLOW. THE OTHER THING -- AND THAT WILL COME UP AGAIN. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THE BUSINESS PLAN THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING. I KNOW WE USE THE TERM BUSINESS CASE FOR SOME THINGS, LIKE THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IN THIS CASE, THE TERM BUSINESS PLAN MAY BE OKAY IN TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT, BUT SOMEHOW WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. MAYBE THERE IS A DIFFERENT TERM WE COULD USE. BUT I WONDER, WE SEEM TO BE ALIGNING ALONG PROJECTS WITH PRIORITY ON BIG INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, AND WE'VE SEEN THE IMPORTANCE OF MAINTENANCE AND WE TALKED TONIGHT ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE IN A LITTLE POCKET PROBLEM, LIKE FIXING A CULVERT OR PUTTING IN A MORE PERMANENT DITCH BEHIND JAMIE'S HOUSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I HOPE THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IT AS -- I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT TERMS RIGHT NOW THINKING THROUGH IT. I WISH WE COULD COME UP WITH THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN THE PLAN AND MAYBE HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THAT BEFORE THE ACTUAL PLAN COMES OUT, BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE IN A FORM THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND, THE PUBLIC CAN UNDERSTAND IT. BUT THE PUBLIC IS THINKING ABOUT IT FROM WHERE THEIR HOUSE IS AND WE CAN EXPLAIN WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS IN THAT MICROAREA. AND THEN THERE ARE SYSTEMIC SOLUTIONS AS WELL. I DON'T THINK IT'S JUST MAINTENANCE VERSUS INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S ABOUT THE MICROAREAS VERSUS THE LARGER AREAS AND HOW WE NEED TO ADDRESS THEM AND ANALYSIS OF THE WATER FLOW. ANYWAY, WE CAN TALK ABOUT ALL THAT OFF-LINE. WHEN THAT PLAN COMES OUT, I HOPE THAT -- I KNOW YOU GUYS WILL WORK ON IT WITH EARNEST. I HOPE IT DOESN'T BECOME A POLITICAL FIGHT, LET'S FIGHT FOR FUNDING. INSTEAD IT NEEDS TO BE A PROCESS WHERE WE EDUCATE, COUNSEL THE ADMINISTRATION AND PUBLIC AT THE SAME TIME. AND BRING EVERYBODY ALONG TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AND HOW TO FIX IT SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY AGAIN. THANK YOU, STAFF, FOR THE GREAT WORKSHOPS AND ALL THE INFORMATION YOU BROUGHT FORWARD. I THINK THESE HAVE BEEN EXCELLENT. I WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR COMING OUT AND SPEAKING TO US ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE FACING AND YOUR OBSERVATIONS ABOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA. THANK YOU. HAVE A WONDERFUL NIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THIS FINAL WORKSHOP IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. [ SOUNDING GAVEL ] HAVE IT. BUT IF I HAVE TO DO IT OVER AGAIN, EVERY TIME -- I WOULD BE RIGHT BY HIM STICKING MY HEAD IN THIS THING AND TAKING A PICTURE WITH HIM AND WITH COUNCIL ALSO. >> GETTING AN AGENDA. GOING TO COUNCIL MEETINGS. BUT KEEP YOUR AGENDA POSITIVE. KEEP IT POSITIVE NOW ADAYS, A CANDIDATE WILL START TALKING WHAT HE WILL DO WITH CANCER AND WHAT HIS GOALS ARE. STARTED ATTACKING THE OPPOSITION. THAT IS HOW YOU KNOW THE -- THE THING ABOUT THE