or agreement we identified in 2014 um several different potential sites that were then narrowed down to four specific sites we then focused on the haynes creek reservoir site this site is has three drainages that come into it hangs creek the arkansas river and the guarphoneau river and it appeared to be a place where a gravel pit or reservoir could be built quite quite well and would serve our purposes we have done some feasibility work on that site over the last several years and council may remember about four or five years ago we brought an agreement which was to root to reserve an option to purchase this site and we have been paying every year our share of the option lease price that option to buy this site expires at the end of this year so here's a map and you can see the rocky ford office is down i don't know if you can see my pointer i'm sorry um the proposal for gaines creek storage site is in bright red so you can see that site and um and that's just upstream of rocky ford and it's downstream of pueblo reservoir and its downstream of the city of pueblo so the option expires for this site this year the feasibility work so far has been very positive and demonstrates that this site would be a good place to build a reservoir it would enable us to recapture that yield that is lost and exchange that yield back upstream where we would take it up to clear creek reservoir which is on higher up in the basin and you can see the red line which is the homestake pipeline comes out of twin lakes above clear creek and allows us to to recapture that water here's just another closer end picture of the site that we are looking at and then some key points around the site so um as i said we have an option to purchase it which expires at the end of this year the total cost to acquire the property is 2.8 million but we would only be paying 28.57 of that or 814 000 and we have done a preliminary design work and an initial initial feasibility study so we think it's a good site we think it's worth acquiring the group the roy group uh also thinks it's worth acquiring and going forward to do more work to make sure uh we can build a dam and a storage reservoir on that site and that is the um question before this that will be before council but that i'm bringing today just to study to uh go forward with that acquisition so when this comes to council you will have the agreement which should have been in um that you should have in front of you now but the agreement to go forth and acquire the hanes creek site for the roy storage acquisition so i blew through that very quickly and i am very happy to enter or to entertain any questions that you may have i have a question mayor um questions to staff uh memphian uh yes alex um thank you for the presentation so we're paying for our share to purchase the site before it expires but the capacity we think is 40 350 acre feet yes and that's not there's a full full capacity that we need to recapture all of our store all of our lost yield i think aurora loses about five thousand acre feet um and so we would want five thousand acre feet but it will get us it's a step towards that direction so what would be the next step we will continue to look for more storage opportunities on that on that site that's a great question right now you know the initial the initial feasibility study identified a probable storage reservoir of about 4 300 acre feet as you spotted and um and i'm not sure how big and whether the site would enable a larger reservoir at this time so i i don't know the answer to that question as to whether we could build big enough storage on that site but i i don't think we could build enough storage on that side to recapture all five cities foregone yield i guess so that's maybe where i'm a little bit wondering if this is a good return on investment because we're we don't we don't know if we're going to get our recapture or what we're losing we will recapture a portion of most of it yeah yeah a good portion and um as you as you know because you've you've been here for some time now um councilwoman berson at uh this agreement started in 2004 and we've been looking for a good site for a long time so sites are hard to come by there is another site that the city's had their eye on and we still hope that that site will become available at some point the owners of that particular site is called stonewall really got gold dust in their eyes and and apparently uh many years ago at the roy group aurora colorado springs pueblo uh approached the stonewall group and and did an appraisal on it the appraisal was somewhere in the eight million dollar range and the owners of the site wanted in the 30 million right now i don't know if that site will come up but that is one of the other sites that we have our eyes on if it ever becomes available okay but so this is a good uh temporary solution until we get to that next step i would say this is a good first step so this is part of the solution and then that other one would be like the second step that would allow us to get all of the yield or most of the yield so this will get us a good solid part of that that lost yield okay thank you so much for further questions of staff on our item number 3d further discussion on item number 3d saying none is there any opposition to moving iv number 3d forward as seeing no opposition item number 3d will move forward item number 3e resolution to approve the high plains trail and bridge maintenance iga 2021 pat schuler good evening arapahoe county the town of parker and the city of aurora along with other funding partners will build an extension of the high plains trail from e-470 west to parker road and then across parker road um this trail segment is primarily in aurora runs along the southern boundary of the kings point subdivision aurora's contribution for the building of this trail um was approved by city council in august of 2021. as a requirement of certain of the funding partners the maintenance iga for this trail segment between agreed upon jurisdictions includes aurora the town of parker and arapahoe county and must be in place before the construction funding can be released which is why we're bringing this iga to you tonight um the iga sets out segments of the trail that each of these three jurisdictions will have maintenance responsibility for um just as a refresher aurora currently maintains other high paying planes trail segments and will continue to maintain additional trail segments if approved by council as they are built aurora will be responsible for the day-to-day and capital maintenance of certain of these trail segments while arapahoe county and the town of parker will be responsible for day-to-day maintenance of another of the trail segments and the pedestrian bridge over parker road as well as the ramp on the west side all three jurisdictions will share equally in the cost of capital maintenance of the bridge itself a cap arapaho county will be responsible for the capital maintenance of the ramp on the west side of parker aurora maintenance responsibilities will begin when the warranty period associated with the trail construction is complete which will be approximately mid-2023 and funding of these maintenance costs will be requested during the 2023 budget cycle does council agree to move this item forward to the regular council meeting and also um if anybody has any specific questions i'd be happy to answer those questions on staff on item number three e i think no questions uh further discussion on item number three e let's say no further discussion on uh item number three item number three will move forward uh item number three f uh renewal of an agreement with wells fargo for various banking services teresa sedmak yes good evening i'm theresa sedmak and i am here to ask your consideration of the renewal of the city's contract with wells fargo for treasury management services the city entered into a contract with wells fargo in july of 2006 it's been extended a number of times and currently comes due at the end of the year treasury management services the city receives from wells fargo include ach or the electronic delivery of funds branch services cash flow block box wires account reporting and reconciliation so in determining a recommended action related to the contract we undertook an analysis of services and fees earnings credit rate and the credit strength of wells fargo versus its competitors we solicited pricing indications from three other financial institutions which included jp morgan chase key bank and u.s bank are the major competitors here that provide services to governmental entities in evaluating the responses from those banks it was determined that wells fargo had a price advantage to those banks and i should note that jpmorgan chase decided against doing a line item comparison pricing comparison but they did provide us a letter which confirmed that the current pricing that was offered was competitive and generally in line with market conditions and consistent with the prior pricing on the contract and that while they could provide better pricing on some services wells fargo offers lower pricing for others so that was the pricing comparison another comparison we asked for was the earnings credit rate an earnings credit rate is a rate typically offered by banks and it is specifically designed to offset the charges and fees so it's a bank management based upon market conditions and subject to periodic adjustments wells fargo offered an earnings credit rate significantly above those offered by its competitors is a premium variable rate with downside protection through the end of the year and a bottom um of 35 basis points through 2023 so the earnings credit rate was significantly above those of its competitors we also looked at financial strength those are summarized in your board packet and while all of the competing banks are capable and qualified to provide banking services to the city and all are eligible public depositories in the state of colorado their credit ratings differ the ratings of wells fargo and jpmorgan chase were slightly stronger than either u.s bank or key bank so as a result of our analysis and the fact that we are very happy and satisfied with the services we get from wells fargo is recommended the city the city's contract with wells fargo be extended from the end of this year for additional five year period and they have offered a six-month extension option uh at that expiration upon mutual agreement so i'm happy to answer any questions or concerns you may have in this regard and i thank you for your consideration uh questions of staff on item number three f a discussion on item number three f i see no discussion item number three f will move forward i'm number 3g proposed changes to amc uh 134 tag 38 uh lieutenant colleen delano thank you sir good evening if i can get my thing to work here for you guys um we are asking to update the language for aurora municipal code 134-38 i can go over the lines we'd like to change um we're asking to replace the following you are encouraged to also contact the watch commander of the aurora police department for the purpose of resolving a dispute governing the impoundment of your vehicle without the necessity of having a formal hearing we'd like to strike that language and instead have you may contact the watch commander of the aurora police department for purposes of resolving a dispute concerning the impoundment of your vehicle the aurora police department will consider fee waivers and reimbursements only in exceptional circumstances or by order of the court after an initial request for refund or waiver from the watch commander is denied and the aurora municipal courts determined the impoundment was lawful the aurora police department will not consider any subsequent requests for waivers or fees uh we're basically asking this to to just change and make it a little more transparent of what they can expect when they're asking for fee um waivers we still want to offer the citizens an option to speak with the department representative but we'd like to lay out um that only when exceptional circumstances i.e illegal tows are met will the apd reimburse fees the second portion we'd ask to change um is the changing the written notice shall be deposited in the u.s mail within 24 hours from the time of impoundment we'd like to change that too the written notice shall be deposited in the u.s mail by close of the following business day from the date of the impoundment updating this mailing requirement to make it more reasonable um changing that 24 hours to the end of the next business day we've run into some problems in the past where people have argued when things were sent out having no ability to know when things get postmarked or mailed by the city and by the usps this gives us a little bit more room and maybe stop some of the the arguments we have that it wasn't sent out um but still giving a reasonable amount of time that um people can get the information about their vehicle or their vehicles are there any questions uh questions to staff i have a question um um so the impoundment lot is the one down sixth avenue is that what it's on it's on cool facts ma'am on call facts yeah yeah and so they control all the fees um there and when someone's car is impounded who notifies them is it the police or the empowerment law they get two different notifications ma'am so if it's impounded by us they will get um what what i read at the beginning actually goes out on a um postcard um okay to the people and then they also get a certified letter from the eminem lot since we do not own the tow yard um that third party company um is required to also send a notification do you know if that's when that certification um is sent out i mean are they required to do it within 24 hours or i do not know theirs is a certified mail is what they send out i do not know what time frame they're required by law to send it out i only know what what we are okay um i i just know that there's been a couple instances where people didn't even know their you know the car was stolen and then it absolutely got impounded so yeah that happens all the time yeah and um i've always advocated that we should have our own impound lot but that's a different matter thank you thank you okay further questions of staff but i don't know 3g there uh uh councilmember mcconnell thank you sir while looking through the backup for this i noticed that this was flagged as not being it was being moved forward without recommendation um can we talk a little bit about that and how the discussion went at public safety is this i couldn't find minutes for this it was too recent we um went through i don't know if megan wants to answer that uh good evening members of council this item was presented for consideration at the public safety meeting a couple of weeks ago lieutenant delena essentially went through the changes no one had any questions or further discussion and the item was moved forward for consideration here at study session tonight okay so it was marked incorrectly though thank you further questions a further discussion on item number 3g but seeing none item number 3g will move forward item number 3h highline canal collaborative memorandum of understanding uh tracy young good evening council my name is teresa young i'm the manager of planning design and construction for the pros department so this resolution is to prove to to approve a memorandum of understanding between 13 stakeholders of the highland canal collaborative the canal collaborative's purpose is to jointly work toward the implementation of community plans to repurpose the canal from a water delivery system to a 71 mile recreational greenway the highland canal conservancy will serve as the lead organizational entity for the canal collaborative they'll provide facilitation communications and coordination between the 13 stakeholders i'm happy to answer any questions tonight if you have any and uh and ask if you would like to move this item forward to regular questions to staff seeing none is there further discussion um on item number three h i think no further discussion item number three h will move forward um item number four a barpa community engagement update um see acharya's charis uh canalis hey my name is mike franks i'm from the budget plus i'm actually going to kick this all off can i have a authorization share all right good evening mr mayor members of council our purpose tonight is to give you an update on the american rescue plan some reminders about exactly what the purposes of it are in the history as well as the overview of the public engagement process and also the main point is to get some feedback from council on the high level projects and priorities that you'd like to have we don't have enough enough funding to cover all the different priorities that have been mentioned by the public and the staff has recommended those projects so we're looking to you to get some guidance on what kinds of items that they see funded so we'll start with some brief history it was signed into law by president biden on march 11 2021 it was about a 1.9 trillion dollar package with a variety of funding some direct aid some grants for a variety of different purposes the city of aurora will receive 65.4 million in one-time funding additional funding provided for programs related to rent assistance and the funding will be divided into two payments the first payment the city already received and the second one we will receive in may 2020 and one of the important pieces to note is the funds will be available until december 31 2024 um and can be dedicated until it can be expended until december 31 2026 so we have until 2024 to dedicate the funding to name a project to allocate the funding for a specific item but we can spend the funding up until 2026. so how can we spend the funds so the first one is um to address the public health emergency and they get economic impacts in a variety of different things so you can think of this one as the variety of social economic impacts that have occurred because of covet what could we do to make those items better so what what was made worse by covid from a social economic perspective and what could we do to potentially make those items better provide essential workers premium pay for eligible workers the provision of government services to the extent that we lost revenue so essentially federal government has a formula that decided how much revenue we lost associated with or due to coven 19 so the amount that we lost to the government team could be spent for governmental services so it significantly broadens the requirements the city does believe that we have lost a significant amount of revenue based on the formula due to government 19. we have not yet finalized that but that does give us probably a significant amount of flexibility that being said we have still tried to align the projects with the federal government's priorities and with the community's priorities in terms of what they'd like to see funded the last item would be to make necessary investments for water sewer or broadband infrastructure how we can't spend the funding so either directly or indirectly offset a reduction in tax rates basically if we lost revenue based on tax change we could not use the revenue we're going to cover that and no funds shall be deposited into any pension funds i mean i would also add that you cannot use it to make debt service payments so factors to consider for council so we've talked about these before but one of the key factors that staff would recommend is to select one-time projects for short-term initiatives the reality is this is going to be one-time infusion for the city um so we'll get the 65.4 million dollars but any ongoing cost will be like likely to be the city's responsibility would not anticipate additional federal funding will come in and cover those costs so while we have at this point a fairly um stable budget moving forward as you saw in the budget presentation we already have small shortfalls in the future and any additional funding we would add would just add to those shortfalls we also have a variety of opportunities to develop regional partnerships and state partnerships this is one of the key things i want to talk about is the reality that we have an opportunity to leverage federal state and regional dollars as i mentioned we have 65.4 million dollars in funding we have over 200 million dollars in projects that have been submitted by staff so we are going to have to leverage a significant amount of funding we're going to come even close to meeting some of those requirements um we have a variety of different opportunities that are available that could provide regional opportunities and regional solutions that being said we also need to be patient some of the solutions are still in the works and have not yet been finalized so that's why we're coming to tonight with some more broad context we can get some ideas of what you'd want to see funded let's go and kind of work through those regional partnerships in addition this federal legislation has the potential to impact the project's election process i think everybody's probably aware that there's an infrastructure bill at the federal level that may or may not pass in a variety of other funding measures those measures obviously have the ability to have a significant impact on the projects that would be funded by orba we're not going to fund a project that the federal government will give us direct funding for or potentially a good grant opportunity um so that would obviously have an impact and again points towards the reality we need to be patient and be adaptable as we go through this process this is just breaking it down by the spending categories you'll remember these from cares so for community assistance 135 million infrastructure 137 million and for service preservation 17 billion dollars so a significant amount of funding has been requested for these various projects again this gives you context of what's been requested at this point i'll turn it over to chris who will give an update on the public engagement component and then we'll circle back to talk about the priorities for council thank you michael you can go to the next slide so good evening mayor members of council my name is karise canales and i'm the community engagement manager at the city you may recall i came to present to you in august to give an outline of our community engagement plan for getting the community's feedback into this arcma funding decision and so really we went out to the community to ask them what are their biggest needs and what are their big dreams and ways that we can make sure that we thrive as a community as we head into recovery from copen so over the last six weeks we have been out in the community gathering this feedback we created a project on engage aurora the city's online community engagement platform and on that project it includes both a survey and idea boards and those idea boards allow us to get more open-ended feedback from our community to really get their their ideas and their buy-in as we're trying to decide how to allocate these dollars so in addition to the survey well we did translate it into the top 10 languages in aurora [Music] we also distributed it throughout our libraries we had coasters in restaurants we held four community listening sessions and presented at different public meetings and at community events so through that whole engagement over the last six weeks we ended up hearing of as of this morning 768 surveys and i do want to note that the survey will be open until this friday so this is an update in our process but we can still give you some pretty good themes and highlights in addition to the surveys we had 100 people respond on our idea boards giving over 300 or almost 300 ideas and as you can see in this graph this shows respondents by ward so it's a pretty even distribution across the city which we're we're very happy to see so with all of our different engagement strategies we were able to to get a good cross-sector of our community and we did hear from really diverse perspectives from all backgrounds so what we'll dive into in the next few slides is just a snapshot on what we heard and then you know it's part of our ongoing conversation with you all we can dive in deeper as we wrap up all of the engagement but certainly want to to share some highlights with you so next slide michael so the first piece i'll highlight is in the survey itself we went out with those three spending categories that michael mentioned so community assistance infrastructure and service preservation and we went out to the community and asked them to rank different items within each bucket and so under community assistance we asked people to rank from one to five with one being the highest priority and five being the lowest priority so we have them rank affordable housing mental health support family assistance which i know can be a bit general so generally speaking that's immediate family assistance like income and food security and then as well as homelessness services and small business relief and so on the rankings you know there's not one topic that really rose to the top by a large means and so what that told us is that the needs of our community are diverse and what we heard and in some of the open-ended questions on this was that our community sees all five of these areas as extreme priorities so it was hard for them to rank it so so we did hear uh you know that this was one of the most important areas out of the rankings the ones that did rise to the top the most were affordable housing mental health support and family assistance next slide please so the next bucket was under infrastructure funding so we had people rank road and street maintenance water system enhancements broadband accessibility to city facilities and multimodal improvements and you can see here there is a bit more of a difference in the priorities where rodent street maintenance and water assessment enhancements were the top two but certainly again our community is very diverse in its needs and we're seeing that come out in the rankings and i'll dive in a little bit more on the open-ended surveys but you know a lot of these themes keep popping up and you can go ahead next slide so finally under the service preservation bucket we had the options for supporting public safety and essential workers assistance to nonprofits restoration of lost city revenue debt service and arba administrative requirements and again you can see a bit more of a difference with the rankings where there's a much stronger prioritization for support of public safety assistance to nonprofits and the restoration of city revenue really getting the funding back into the community and you can go to the next line so finally on the survey we did ask people to prioritize the three funding buckets themselves and community assistance did come in first and so one of the things that we had heard again was from our community they saw community assistance as getting more direct and immediate impact for recovering from coved so um that is a little bit on the rankings and then we can go into some more of the open-ended feedback that we heard and this was from both the idea boards and our community listening sessions really this was an opportunity for our community to to dream bigger and share their ideas that may have fallen outside of some of the focus areas that were already identified but the top themes that really rose up were affordable housing and homelessness supports mental health and rehabilitation services and disabilities as well as waste or recycling and compost solutions so that could have been including you know a single hauler system having bulky item disposal even having trash bins in our parks and trails things like that but when we did go through the feedback we heard so much rich i so many rich ideas of how our community feels that we could make the most impact with these arpa dollars and as michael frank said you know we're going to need to leverage the dollars to make all of these a reality but we certainly want to to share with you a snapshot of some of the things that we're bubbling up as priorities as the next slide and finally i just wanted to share with you at the last presentation i did in august to you all council member mario had asked about identifying barriers for people accessing covid relief in the past so we did incorporate that into our survey so that we can keep it in mind as we get further in these funding discussions about how to actually get the funding into the community and make sure that it's as easy as a pro of a process as possible and so some of the themes that we've heard were you know that it is a long and complicated process in the past to receive the funds people have challenges with documentation they may not qualify based off of either their income citizenship status or you know if they've already received public relief funding in the past but certainly a few other things to highlight that kept coming up was a lack of information or awareness that these resources even existed and also people being afraid or being intimidated to apply for the funding so i think these are all really tangible things for us to keep in mind as we think about how to get this relief funding into our community and with that i'll pass it back to michael and i think it makes sense before we get to next steps and asking council for their priorities if you council has any questions about the process generally on the history of it or the community engagement process um to be good and ask those now because i'm going to ask for your feedback so i don't want to have those questions get lost questions of staff i say none then uh um councilmember mcconnell sorry thank you um i just want to know if y'all are able to track the most effective methods of outreach uh for this because obviously this is i think better than a lot of the previous things i've seen we're like we get like three or maybe 400 folks we're creeping up on 800 here but you know what's working for us and what's not and how can we help absolutely so on engage aurora i can pull all those reports if if any of you ever want to see that the one that rose to the top was facebook that was really really driving people to the platform and then off of online our libraries made a huge impact in the paper surveys you know meeting people where they're already going especially some of our community members who are underrepresented i definitely got a lot of that from the paper surveys at the libraries thank you further questions to staff mayor councilman gardner since this wasn't included in our backup could this presentation be sent out to council absolutely thank you i'm happy to do that we were gathering data until today so i wanted to give you the most recent numbers so let's follow up what did you say the amount was that we're talking the amount four million the survey total or the funding no the the uh of amount in terms of dollars federal dollars 65.4 million with opportunities to leverage it but that's the amount of direct aid we'll receive okay sorry what do you mean by leveraging again is that working with the state or working with the county state regional partners and there's also federal opportunities to apply for grants okay so um let me um mention some areas that the governor's staff has has reached out to me and into our staff here but i don't think that council's in the loop yet and that is um i think the governor has expressed an interest in three areas um one is uh on the on the issue of homelessness uh what the governor would like to do for trans with the category of transitional housing uh is work with denver aurora and arapahoe county and the state in terms of leveraging our dollars uh and um putting putting some into the i think it's called the ridgeview uh facility uh which is just a little just a little bit outside of aurora on quincy road there was a there is a state facility a state-owned facility that was run under contract and for some for juvenile program and uh the state canceled that project and the governor would like to see that into a facility for homelessness wouldn't be emergency housing but it would be for those in programs that would be transitional housing for families and individuals the second issue that the governor uh asked is there anything uh infrastructure wise in terms of one-time spending that would be related to mental health i did inform the governor and about the the idea that aurora mental health has in terms of consolidating his services into a campus in the vicinity of um i believe it's 225 in mississippi south of mississippi on the west side of 225 and the governor asked anything about affordable housing um then one thing i mentioned to the governor was um that there were some staff we need to comment on this further some shovel ready projects uh for multi-family affordable housing along the colfax corridor between peoria and the denver line the governor liked that concept in terms of working with us because it it's all along a transient corridor i'll be at a bus route and that it's affordable obviously uh was one of his criteria and i think would have some other positive impacts in the area uh with that let me open up to further discussions meredith council member um mayor first off those three i i think they're spot on i think uh addressing the homelessness addressing the dod site and uh especially addressing the environmental health and their campus i think those are are spot on i'd like to ask a question about processor because what's we've got to 64 million dollars we've got uh opioid money coming in and we've got the input from 700 to almost 750 residents what process do you see council uh following in order to make decisions and also the other important fact is that the money doesn't have to be spent this year we have time uh to to do a more in-depth analysis and to spend it over a larger period of time um but but it would seem to me that that a couple of key decisions would be first off how much are we going to spend this year second off what process are we going to use how how do we vet each council members priorities so that those are put into some sort of grid that that can then be discussed by council uh before we we make the vote has that been defined yet yeah that's actually a great segue into the last part um and kind of the more guided component of um selected projects so for project prioritization the way staff has thought about it um in terms of prioritizing projects this is more of a timeline must be prioritization but we have the top bucket the top tier one being immediate assistance to residents and businesses by covenanting so those are things like directing the businesses food assistance that we could go ahead and do right now that have a direct impact and tier two service and operational enhancements to increase productivity so things that we could do long term that would allow us to be more productive product as a staff partnerships to address regional challenges obviously that's going to take a little bit more time than the first two so it's further down tier um and then transformational projects designed to have a lasting impact so that's kind of the the time continuing the staff is thinking about in the process the staff has uh decided on at this point with council's input obviously is to to engage councils tonight to get a feel of what council's priorities are so that can be considered and then to allow staff to potentially address projects that have been submitted if necessary but then to compose a team of cross-departmental staff as well as residents in the city to um review the projects and prioritize them based on four criteria so the first two are equitable and evidence-based so those are two things the federal government has really emphasized in terms of our reporting so we really want to be focused on those two items based on that being a federal government guideline 25 being citizen input so using the results of tonight um and the rest of the surveys um then using um cost benefit so that information would then service the framework for which would be taken down back to senior management to provide a formal recommendation but i do see this potentially being a process that we provide a recommendation here in the near future so that we can start to fund some of those items that have critical timelines there are going to be some projects where we need to have matching dollars here soon but also that we can continue to monitor the situation the federal level monitor regional partnerships and have it be an ongoing process so i would imagine there being kind of a continuation of this process as time goes on based on the feedback tonight and then the feedback we get from the um committee as well as then senior management um so that that's the the general process and we were hoping to set tonight to get some feedback from council on your high level priorities so we could obviously factor that in to the decision-making process mayor there um um yeah and i guess we're going to talk about infrastructure next but um i think in terms of the number of surveys you said 768 surveys out of our population of 386 thousand 390 000 um i mean it's that's still a very very very small percentage of the population so when you say that and i think it was a criteria of the funds that we need 25 public input what what 25 of our it population just be 25 of the rankings so we can bring the projects um based on that's based off such a small amount of people i mean i don't want to base my decisions on like and i don't remember how many were in ward six it looked like it was pretty spread out but still if even if you divide that by six that's a such a small percentage of the population i personally don't even feel comfortable using that as a guiding you know guidance i i would prefer to use my own knowledge with i mean with some of the survey but i don't want to put a ton of credibility on the survey because i think it's such a small percentage so with a lot of these public engagement processes we do look at a sample size of the population and then we we elevate that group what are the key themes and priorities that we keep hearing over and over and so then we can um you know kind of kind of broaden it um to the rest of our community and that's why we're really intentional with making sure we are outreaching to all the different words in the city that we were going to where our community was already gathering and making sure that we had it in all the different languages possible you know trying to be really intentional in that way and then just one follow-up please proceed community assistance and i know i heard you know regional um solutions because to me community assistance a lot of the the subcategories are county responsibilities we we don't do snap we don't do you know family assistance from that perspective we don't do mental health that's that's through various non-profits um and then also through the the counties so are we going to take that into account when we allocate monies that that under community engagement or community sorry community assistance that that really needs to be more of a regional partnership and and what we and then like under infrastructure that's our responsibility that is what our citizens expect us to you know to to take care of in terms of infrastructure and roads and so forth so is that how we're looking at that first category as more regional so i would say there there's ways that we can leverage those dollars as we've been mentioning um one of the categories that was under service preservation was assistance to nonprofits so you know some of what we can use the arpa dollars or to support non-profits doing those different family assistance programs so you get a little bit of crossover between some of the buckets right but my question is more are we overlapping with the counties like the counties also have arpa money so are they going to be doing these these services and then we're going to throw more money on top of it when we might be better served to put money in things that the county is not going to touch like they're not touching infrastructure that affects our city and our residents yeah i think the thought would be that in situations where we can leverage the county's dollars to find the ultimate solution to an issue that um council and community believes is a challenge that we would take advantage of those opportunities um but it would not necessarily be to take over the responsibilities of the counties but to potentially abuse those as leveraging opportunities and if council will there are a couple questions and we can kind of go through this exercise because we actually break it down and um kind of go through the slides again so the council can provide input in terms of the specific items so um like we're headed towards that conversation anyways but um so we don't want to make people repeat themselves as we go through it again please proceed mayor all right councilmembers thank you um you had mentioned um we that there's still more money floating around out there does aurora have any money that hasn't been expended or are we expecting more other than these arpa funds we would not be expecting any more um there were some other funding related to um the latest the arbor bill um at this point was is related to grants and then leveraging opportunities um so taking advantage of the fact that the counties and the state have a significant amount of funding but we have also of council remember to the it was the fall workshop and we did include two positions in finance department um one more grant compliance one more great development to try to get at the opportunity of leveraging those dollars applying for grades that are available both as this part of our but also as part of the infrastructure bill if that does happen because it appears that it would be the same in terms of there being opportunities but um you know we have to apply for those opportunities so at those this point that's that's primarily what we're looking at okay but let me say uh before we proceed and then i think we'll go through so i'm sorry customer reversals did you have anything else yeah well i i just wanted to know exactly how how does a group um apply for this i mean who do they go talk to who in the city did they make an appointment with to talk with you would mean like a resident or at this point we've had a company you know a company like aurora mental health you know they have a campus they're trying to get built so who do they go talk to um if i could uh as mayor and that is that so the governor's office has reached out to the city and the governor gave some kind of areas that he wanted to focus on to see if we could work together on and one of them in all of them were related to infrastructure so one was infrastructure to support mental health and that's where that that fit the what aurora mental health wants to do with the campus one that the governor was specific on that he wanted us uh to work with us on uh and that was the ridgeview academy facility and then the governor asked about do we have projects in terms of affordable housing so the governor has three categories that he'd like to work with we can negotiate with him what those uh projects could be but but i do think that there's an advantage in working with the governor's office in the leadership of the governor in terms of being able to leverage dollars not just state arpa dollars uh but also that the governor's office can bring us to bring us together uh with say arapahoe county with denver um uh you know and with the state in terms of looking at the rich he that's what he mentioned looking at the rich view facilities so um whatever the projects are i do think there's an advantage of working uh to leverage the dollars that we have mayor uh councilmember combs so as far as working with the state my understanding is that there are going to be a lot of opportunities to work with funds that were put forward by the state legislature and that they're currently in sessions right now determining how those funds are going to get sent set out with respect to grants and other types of programming so i would be conscious to say that our partnerships need to specifically go through the governor's office i also think that as a city council we want to make sure that we're not just giving over what we're trying to do to the governor's office and we have specific local needs um and finally i think for tonight i guess my question or my concern would be setting aside specific amounts for specific projects when there's all these opportunities that are still under development that are for partnerships with state federal and county partners so i would be concerned if we were to say x amount is going to this project and x amount going to that project when we have the amount of time that we have and we need flexibility on those projects and just as a side note with respect to the ridgeview campus it's extremely far from the city of aurora proper and from the main parts of our city where we're having folks experiencing housing instability and is not connected to public transit so i would be highly concerned about dedicating any significant amount of money to that project further discussion um this is jessica prosser uh dr crossing community services may i add something to so um you all are all right yes there will be several opportunities to leverage funding i just did want to mention that the state has set aside about 500 million dollars for both mental health it's under a behavioral health category actually and then also another about 500 million for um housing and homelessness through a housing task force and so the state is creating recommendations for how those funds are to be spent and leveraged there are some opportunities that are coming out sooner um in the next couple of weeks the state will be soliciting for projects so there is an opportunity to sort of have some quick wins some projects that are shovel ready to get going on and then the rest of those recommendations from those two different task force will be available around january and the state anticipates putting out a notice of funding probably in around the february time frame i think to the mayor's point with what the governor is really looking for is for cities to bring projects forward to the state through that process which are leveraging both local locality money this county monies and then the state money so they're looking for those kind of regional partnership pieces so staff has been talking with both adams and arapahoe county we've had a few conversations with denver we've even had conversations with other local communities about leveraging on on many of these projects because we know that our arpa dollars will not go as far if we're not leveraging those so i just wanted to add that to the conversation that the state is going through a process and it also feels like they're ready to have some sort of quick wins if there are some key identified projects we can bring to them sooner than the january february time frame mr mayor i'd also just add that status generally agree as well that the goal of tonight's session was not uh to allocate specific dollar amounts for specific projects it was um at this point to go through the focus areas um so the areas that karise noted and have council kind of blowing out um where their priorities were where they saw opportunities within those areas and that's what the staff was missing so it was again more of a brainstorming session um but as jessica mentioned we do also have to be ready to act so it's we want to tee everything up so the staff and ready to act um based on the council's input is there more of your presentation right now um it's just a guiding section so given uh community feedback and staff identified focus areas which topics in these categories council want to prioritize so um first with community assistance i mean this can just kind of guide the conversation we can take it where it goes but of the items that karis mentioned in that category the affordable housing the mental health support the family assistance the homelessness services and small business relief or other items that staff may have missed other items here that staff or council believe staff should prioritize well i think that i would hope that affordable housing would be a priority in terms of trying to move some projects forward i have mayor mayor jim yeah just something i don't it's not on the list but you know we have a lot of people that do have homes that are in disrepair that um you know need help with sometimes it's their landscaping sometimes it's their their just their home in in general is there anything in this just to help with with that aspect i know we do like that beautification grant every year which is minimal so just wondering if there's any help for those type of people that you know are working or retired and they can't afford to fix their homes it was not i believe including this list and chris can correct me if it was wrong if it came up um but that is certainly something that staff could include as a project that would certainly fit within the realm of what we're discussing okay thanks for the discussion mayor dave gruber because over again i'm still a little bit um concerned about the process i understand the presentation and i appreciate that we had a discussion about the counties uh when we had the covet money come in the counties were pretty good about coming to us to say we have this much money we're going to grant this money to you uh specifically for business support and we want it to be spent in this way and we want you to account for it in this way so it's going to be very important to understand how much money the county is going to be applying uh arapaho adams and and douglas counties are going to be applying to aurora and their guidelines on using that money because then what we should probably do is back out some of our money that we intended to duplicate what the county was going to do so that we could move that somewhere else i'm also a little bit concerned about the the timeline i understand that as i said earlier the entire process can take years however you know those quick killed or the you know the quick kind of like the word quick kill on this term but quick hits where we can make some progress um you know i think council does need to decide that we will take x percent of the money uh right away and um you know whether that's uh five million dollars 10 million dollars whatever that number is right away and we'll apply it to the highest priorities like we said earlier whether it's shovel ready or or other initiatives where we can have an impact immediately but i think that that decision that we're going to do that needs to be made first and then and then uh the process for me for deciding how the money is going to be spent would be made second so i would what i'm advocating for is that that process you know i first off identifying how much needs to be spent right away and what process we're going to use to make sure that that money is spent uh as best we can spend it and i agree with that um i think if council's council would like to allocate a specific amount for specific projects i think staff would be more than open to that um and i was not actually with the city or in the state um for the last uh the cares act but based on my recollection i think the slight difference was that that money had to be spent really quickly um so counties and localities are spending a little bit more time um kind of figuring out what they're going to do that being said um i appreciate your comments and we'll definitely we don't want to miss any opportunities so we will definitely be back before we miss any opportunities to provide that formal recommendation thank you further discussion yep um councilor marcano thank you sir i agree with you affordable housing uh is number one here um but i also would like to have us prioritize homeless services um very highly especially given um situation in the city and the country and the potential for more folks to unfortunately be displaced in the coming weeks and months so um that'd be my two cents on this slide that's remember you mayor i was actually going to ask about the distinction between affordable housing and homelessness only because you know our homeless strategic plan it kind of combines them so it's like our housing strategy on a spectrum so i guess the i was just curious why that was broken out because to me afford like affordability and housing um does i mean kind of relate to homelessness services but um you know i guess i don't think that's a question or more of a comment really but i think we i think we should uh prioritize both i mean all of these um it's hard to rank these because all these feel so important um i yeah um this uh you know but i i do like to see that there's more input than than less iris saw when when we were voting on the up zone of ward one uh the majority of city council was okay with a community input uh engagement process there's three meetings about 30 people each meeting and several duplicate members at each meeting so when we think about seeing a certain threshold for what people are comfortable with um you know i you know i can't help but recall that vote um so i'm hoping that you know moving forward i'm i am surprised to see so many um folks who have taken the survey i hope we can continue to get more that would be my ask of anyone who's watching tonight since this is open until the 8th to give feedback i know it's going to be really challenging for us to decide on how we're going to spend this but i think the more the merrier on folks taking the survey further discussion mayor council overcomes um so i do think that councilman gruber's idea of having deciding what percentage of the funds we are going to dedicate toward the immediate assistance category makes some sense i think the other three areas it seems like that's the area where we have or those are the areas where we have a little more time to look at exactly how the partnerships are going to play out with other entities um but i understand that there are some specific immediate things that we need to deal with i just want us to be careful about putting too much of our money into the immediate and not looking at that long-term planning and partnership but i i would like to move forward with talking about like how much money do we want to put into that immediate assistance category further discussion mayor i guess that was a proposal so i'll propose that 20 this is just off the cuff and if staff have other ideas um go to immediate assistance so do staff have an idea of how much might be needed for some of those immediate assistance categories or have any suggestions there steph i think um a personal thought would be that it makes more sense for perhaps to have to come back with a formal recommendation i think i will um because we haven't fully looked at there's there's a lot of projects that i think are going to be high priority that are going to cost just a significant amount of money right so first i have to go back and take a look at how what what the allocation should look like and come back of a formal record yeah i i certainly uh i i don't want to i understand the need to get some money out the door but but i also am concerned that um we might be missing out on a lever if we we might be missing our leveraging opportunities so um let's let's is there any objection to staff coming back with a proposal let's see none then staff will come back with a proposal on uh what should be uh immediate uh in terms of funding here um remember when they do that will can they give us you know kind of details in in a you know table format chart format something that shows how they you know what they're looking for an amount but what they're thinking sure i think that's a great idea that you know what are the examples of of um immediate spending and what what um you know and then we can prioritize it so i would think that would make sense sure um councilmember lawson um and also i think within the equation too for me i know we have some of the ready shovel projects or some things like that but also for these longer terms term projects i would like to look at the sustainability of these items because you're going to have this one-time funding and then all of a sudden if we have to take it away or we can't support it that's a real problem that the city is going to have to address so i would like for something like that to be on the spreadsheet maybe some of these projects we're thinking about long term that we will probably have to sustain ourselves even through partnerships i would like to maybe have a little bit of a some commentary on some of those and some of how we would support that will we have the ability i know we can't truly predict the future but sustainability is really important so it's very important because i think i just want to echo that i think it's very important because i think that um the intent here is that is is this is one time money and if you're going to do things that create uh an annual operating expenditure then i think that that that's going to have an impact on the budget on the general fund uh you know that that could be pretty tough in future years further discussion mayor all right council roman congo thank you sir um question for staff do you have an idea as to you know the other jurisdictions i would be able to partner with here uh or leverage uh some of this funding what their timelines look like for you know finishing their rule making or their programming uh just so that you know we know when it might make sense to move forward without potentially missing out on any of those opportunities i do not know specifics the last um engagement i had with other localities they were still working at their councils but other staff may have more specific needs but i'm i'm not aware of details at this point uh further discussion mayor mayor uh councilmember mcconnell yeah i guess a quick follow-up i mean are you aware at least mike if some of these other jurisdictions are taking a similar stance and just waiting to see what everyone else does i'm just concerned that you know some of us might be waiting a little too long um others might not wait long enough and you know we need to be in very constant communication here i feel so that we don't you know accidentally missed these opportunities yeah i think my sense has been that's that staff in the localities are trying to play the same game that we are where as mrs prosser mentioned there's a variety of opportunities that might come from the state here soon that we need to be ready for um in the next coming months but then there's also a lot of long-term regional partnerships that just take a fair amount of time to develop when there's a lot going on and there's long-term operational costs and it's just not um always that easy and then it's you know staff then working with their council and then coming back um so it just it does take some time there so um i think it's everybody's trying to play and manage that balancing act like we are um but i think staff could reach out to some other localities and find some more details or to provide you know some additional guidance for council i have a couple items to add to that so i went through the state's process obviously and i'm speaking only on the areas that i know more about denver has laid out their plan around housing and homelessness i think it's a 260 million dollar plan around hotel motel acquisition and rehab for permanent supportive housing they're putting a significant amount of investment into additional gap financing for affordable housing and things like that adams county has taken some preliminary proposals we've had some regional meetings with them they're also looking at the hotel motel piece they're looking at creating a d resource center kind of in the northland area they're interested in partnering with us on an overnight homelessness shelter arapahoe county is kind of in the same place we are they did a lot of community outreach in the july august time frame and have come back and i have less information kind of on where they are in the process but i know they had a meeting with the county commissioners i think a couple of weeks ago so we are keeping track of um those pieces and um you know at this point probably are at a point where we can circle back regionally and say kind of ranking them as a as a region together jessica i think it's fair to say when you talk about uh putting money out um for immediate purposes we're really talking about uh programs or spending that really don't lend themselves to leveraging is that categorically where we're at um possibly i mean you know things like cold weather shelter are pretty immediate and they would be opportunities to leverage um you know uh providing gap financing for affordable that would be pretty immediate um obviously if we're going to build a piece of infrastructure anywhere in this you know different buckets that's going to be a longer term piece okay further comments uh seeing none i'm sorry was there somebody else that wanted his face uh councilman thank you yeah um yeah i think it'd be great to have um projects that we think could be um quick to to kind of mobilize i know that um on the anschutz medical campus um our provider that my mile high baby health has had some conversations and we've been engaging in ongoing conversations um about the future of um their their facilities there how do we best plan for um you know the the concept and best practice around like a one-stop shop centrally located to um the the services that folks need and you know that project being kind of top of mind trying to get a better sense of if if that particular project would be an example of like a shovel ready type thing or is that something that we need to put a little more resource and time behind um uh on that particular one staff response councilman maria that would be a longer term one right we're looking at you know a site where is the site going to be we're looking at project design we're going to have to bring together partners for example that one's very expensive we have been working with our public works staff it's about a hundred million dollar type of facility um so that's probably private foundational support we'll need to gather for that so that to me is in that longer term sort of strategic transformational projects that's not shovel ready um but would be primed to start the process now to be able to spend the money by the deadline in the next couple of years further discussion i say none is there any objection to having staff move forward uh coombs a proposal of 20 of our per dollars uh to be uh to to uh have staff work on recommendations uh for um how to prioritize and spend those dollars counsel can i revise that proposal to just be that staff bring forward a recommendation of an amount of funding that they recommend for um immediate assistance very well is there any objection to uh the revised cummins proposal seeing none then that's the direction of staff thank you thank you thank you so much category sorry i don't know if you want to go through the other two um infrastructure and service preservation okay please um so the next one would be in the same exercise infrastructure so road maintenance water sewer enhancements broadband accessibility multi-module and there's one more after this is there any discussion on this on infrastructure uh councilman mcconnell thank you sir uh mike could you elaborate a little more on what water system enhancements mean because i know that there are a lot of residents uh who are in need of assistance maintaining their private you know i think i mentioned this earlier sewer and water lines um so just want to know if something like that was included in there yes so uh and some of the open feedback people did talk about needing sewer improvements especially when they're in certain geographies in the city making sure that they had clean safe access the other piece on water system water system enhancements that people mentioned was thinking long term about you know drought conditions and making sure that we had the right systems in place to to protect our water source great thank you uh mr tim yeah on the um accessibility technological improvements to city facilities does that include improvements to just overall um website i.t i have i get a lot of comments from constituents that it's really difficult to navigate they can't find information so it's just wondering if it can be used in that in that way as well um i think that'd be probably pushing the definition it was much more infrastructure in terms of large-scale investments so i think was the goal but that certainly i think i guess the big step in the book yeah so not a website redo re reinvent the website cannot happen oh it could definitely be a part of it um but i think that my sense was this was um thinking bigger picture of their technology so what about cyber security would that be under that bucket please so yes okay and then oh one more what about security of the building that would certainly be something that would fit in this category as well okay thank you further discussion on infrastructure saying none then please proceed to the next slide and the last one service preservation system for public safety and other essential workers assistance nonprofits restoration of lost city revenue debt service repayment paying back money those are administration requirements so more of the administrative tasks yeah councilman goes so in the past when we had the conversation about premium pay for essential workers with the cares funds it was determined that only public safety could receive that premium pay and that other essential workers were not eligible does that apply here or their other essential workers for example our water and wastewater employees were actually testing for covid at points during this pandemic um are public works folks um would those folks be eligible for premium pay yes further discussion um i have one on debt so it can be used for debt service repayment or we just put that on there i think we just put yeah i don't think i could it it can't um i did specifically mention that so i don't know how that ended up on there okay that's what i thought thank you okay further discussion i see none uh um so if so the um direction to staff is uh to come to determine an amount that could be spent uh in a very quick period of time uh on different projects and to bring those projects into bringing them out uh uh forward to uh council to review uh is there any objection to that no thank you so much for the feedback is there any objection i see none then that's the direction for staff thank you very much thank you so number 5a revised proposal for new climate action advisory commission good evening mayor and council members uh thanks for your time this evening this is the revised climate action advisory commission proposal this evening uh the major update from the previous uh discussion is that the information regarding the oil and gas advisory committee has been removed from this proposal and let me share my screen um and while i'm doing that i'm sorry jeff is this your proposal or is this councilmember coomb's proposal councilmember coombs yep i'm just saying that i will i don't understand why you're giving the presentation i apologize i was just introducing myself and and getting the slides ready mary i asked um mr moore to help with the slides so he's pulling up the slides um so thank you uh jeffrey for pulling those up um so and as i'm sure you're aware um staff were also involved in this proposal initially and i did ask um for their feedback in making and their help in making the changes so ian best karen hancock and jeffrey moore who were previously involved in the proposal were also involved in helping me revise the proposal to address the comments that were made in the last meeting i am hoping that since i didn't receive any comments or concerns that this addresses some of the concerns that folks did express i did my best to do so mayor i can't cure you let me relate uh comments to you and uh i will express those again as we move through this presentation okay i don't believe that you had seen this um in fact i think you said you hadn't seen it okay please proceed um yep and so the comments that were made at the last meeting were that the scope was overbroad um and so i did work with staff on addressing that section making it more specific and um making sure that the the charge of the commission is specifically to um make recommendations non-binding recommendations on issues related specifically to climate and sustainability and then we also changed the name so to climate action advisory commission to make sure that it was very clear that it's advisory in nature and to line up the name with other commissions that have uh previously or that already exist within the city um another comment that was made was on the composition and so jeffrey if you can go i think to the next slide is where we have the uh composition of the committee so still residents advocacy groups but then instead of the regional representatives which there were comments made about whether or not there should be regional representatives on the committee we replaced those with a land use expert and a transportation expert and then left it up to the commission as to whether they felt it was necessary to include regional and state governing bodies working on climate in the um in the process and on the commission so those are the changes that have been made along with of course removing all references to the oil and gas advisory committee and any dissolution of that committee and those were really kind of the the comments that i had in advance other than mayor we did have our conversation and so this does specifically talk about not only climate but also environmental sustainability more generally um and that's also within charge of the commission as laid out and as everyone received in the back that's the brief presentation that i have on the changes that were made and i would ask my colleagues to please support bringing forth this commission which i believe is essential to addressing really one of the major issues of our time which is the impacts of climate and sustainability on our future on our city thank you and i discuss with you an environmental committee i will go forward with the drafting then of an environmental committee the where um climate um climate change will be a component part of it uh as we look at carbon offsets at the local level but it will accomplish much more and i will put that forward before the end of the year further discussion mayor dave gruber councilman i think it's important we we went through it rather rapidly into consent items but the city of aurora completed a partners and energy plan which consisted of businesses individuals and excel energy where they've done an extensive plan to reduce uh various types of uh energy usage within the city um many of the things that that you know that this climate action group is supposed to do in the future has already been done by what we approved earlier tonight further discussion fair if i made and cause homes um i think that probably even excel would acknowledge that that's a first step and not a end-all be-all to addressing these issues um we're going to continue to see significant issues related to climate sustainability and environment in our community and energy use is not the only one transportation and land use are significant that's why they're specifically called out in the membership the cdot greenhouse gas rulemaking is going to have an impact on the city and on what we do moving forward um and the city's commitment in our strategic plan to a comprehensive uh environmental stewardship plan is also something that is going to require not only community input in developing that plan but also in continuing to implement the necessary pieces of fulfilling that plan into the future and so i do see this as something that's needed both immediately and long term above and beyond what's already been done and then i do know as well that karen hancock may be having uh technical difficulties but she also did participate in working on this so i wanted to see if she has any comments as well for the comments i just wanted to um i i hope that you can hear me and i'm not choppy um okay good um i just wanted to say that the excel energy um is particularly just for the utility to meet their obligations under the puc so um we are absolutely helping them with that because they offer resources to our businesses so um was there anything else that um council member combs you'd like me to address on that um no that's really helpful i just saw that you commented so i wanted to give you an opportunity to comment um i know part of our conversation has also just been about how these issues are very spread out across a lot of different staffs um and so having a centralized location to discuss these issues would be beneficial further discussion mayor i'm sorry uh councilmember hills thank you um i supported this the last time and i support it again i'm not sure why we would need a competing measure unless it's just to be adversarial councilmember coons brought this forward at least a month ago and was very forthcoming about being open to working with people and their concerns um so i'm just not sure why everybody was willing to work with councilman um and you're choosing to bring a a competing something later i just i hope that you can maybe find it in your heart to try to work together um with the person who who already brought this forward and not um putting the redundant work uh for both staff and counsel thank you first discussion yes um so we have um a water committee we have the pfizer committee that so fighter deals with the regulations that come down from the federal government and the state government i'm just i'm still trying to wrap my head around the need for this because that would be addressed at that committee the water committee addresses any water issues that we have and then we i mean we have the oil and gas that would address oil and gas so what what other regulations are we trying to address that that is our responsibility as a city okay not a utility or that you know that type of thing may i respond yes please proceeds um yeah so i guess i'll i'll say it again um the city in our strategic plan already committed to having as a city an environmental stewardship plan and so typically when cities put forth something like this they have a community engagement process typically through some type of a committee if you look to denver colorado springs other cities that have done this that's part of their process is having a committee that then does the community engagement piece and then once you've done the community engagement on creating the plan then there are going to be multiple steps right a environmental stewardship plan is not a one-time thing it's an ongoing thing that we're going to have to continue working through the actual steps for probably 20 30 years as a city and so having a home for that as far as community feedback community input seems very important to me and again as i've talked to staff about right now conversations about sustainability are really spread out across all these departments and committees and it would be of benefit to staff as well in doing that work to have a centralized location to have those conversations that doesn't mean it can also be had in those other committees but the focus the water committee is not sustainability that's a small consideration protection of water and conservation is definitely discussed but it's a part of what they talk about it's not their whole chart the oil and gas committee's charge is not conservation um none of these are charged with conservation so it's about bringing all of that together in one place okay so just to follow up um when you said staff is gonna be you know this is part of the plan and the staff has is supposed to come up with a plan why can't they do community engagement like we do all the time for all these other you know things that we're doing in the city you know staff is is charged with something and then we do community engagement i i just i look at it as like there's probably at least going to be at least 12 members possibly i don't know i didn't count them all up but it could be a 15 member um committee it just seems like it's going to get very cumbersome and i think i don't know if it's too broad personally but maybe it needs to be more narrowed down to specific you know charges okay so i guess my other comment would be that this has been available in our backups um and this is the second time that staff and i have taken the time to bring it forward to council and so if people had major concerns with the function the charge as it's laid out or the membership it would have been helpful to hear about that ahead of thank you thank you and i was um you know i didn't see the backup i didn't see your proposal until it was made available i'm sorry i was in dallas visiting my son didn't see it till today okay well if you have specific recommendations it would be helpful to have specific recommendations come forward in study session i thought this was the purpose of study session was to discuss it but maybe i'm mistaken and we'll just vote when we get on the floor yeah i mean i i brought it to a study session and then i brought it back to another study session based on the comments i received i also reached out to people individually to ask for recommendations and did not receive response from a lot of folks okay i didn't recall being that you reached out to me um and if i missed any kind of personal communication i apologize i thought the purpose of today was to further discuss this and you're making it sound like we're not able to discuss it and that we should just had our questions pre you know given to you way ahead of time well the concern is that every time i bring it to study session people don't have specific recommendations and they just want to say no and it is frustrating okay my recommendation is that you have too many members on the committee okay um remove the discretionary members then um that's fine further discussion and i certainly had a conversation with you about cml and right i think you're aware of where i'm at further discussion mayor all right councilmember mcconnell thank you sir uh i didn't have that conversation with you so if you could you know enlighten the rest of us as to where you're at i appreciate it uh that um that it should be an environmental committee and that uh no different than what i said earlier today that i expressed to councilmember combs that uh climate change and uh carbon offsets should be just uh sub component of it and it should should cover other areas as well and i will bring that forward before the end of the year uh further discussion if i may yes the revised description that was in the backup already says climate and sustainability issues and it lays out other areas besides climate um and so i'm not sure if you want those areas to be further specified like that we add water conservation or other things but like that is already in there that it's climate and sustainability and that's what you said at cml was sustainability and so that's in there i said it'd be an environmental committee and i and i think that we'll the council will have the opportunity to look at both proposals further discussion mayor councilmember mcconnell yeah respectfully sir you're advocating for this exact ordinance yeah you actually are though no i'm not wrong you haven't seen it yet how do you know i said that what you literally just said is already covered you you will have an opportunity to get around the books yes and you will have an opportunity do two proposals and you can make a difference and you can make a decision between the two further discussion okay mayor for the discussion mayor uh councilman carter thank you um at the last um study session that this item was brought forward i had brought up some of my objections i think one specifically was the scope i think how it's defined um this group could potentially or would potentially review essentially any ordinance that that comes forward and i just it's still written that way um because you know pretty much anything in the city that comes forward could you could argue that it would have a tie to sustainability and and i i just a like i said last time i think we probably have eight or nine too many boards and commissions as it is already um and secondly i have an issue with creating a board that essentially is going to review every ordinance that's brought forward and you know just putting cards on the table you know last time after this this item failed one of my colleagues posted on social media that those that voted against it were sadistic difficulties and councilmember coombs liked that post and so i frankly i didn't really feel like it was my place or like i really wanted to spend the time to get this to a place where i could i could support it further discussion yes mayor uh mayor for tim and i will echo that because i was quite offended that some that a council member would publicly put such a nasty comment out there that about us being sadistic death cultists um and again you know and then the other councilman liking it and it's you know how does that welcome um collaboration or conversation it doesn't it was very insulting it was it was insulting and it was rude and it was it i mean beyond i don't need to be on comprehension really to have an elected official put that out there sure yeah further discussion mayor councilman thank you sir uh so i do believe in radical candor um and i don't my intent is not to be a career politician so if you take offense to me being very honest with people and expressing to them what i see on the inside on the other side of this dais coming from republican elected officials i'm sorry i think you might need to do some soul searching because i do believe honest to god that the republican cult party is a sadistic death cult it is the most dangerous organization that has ever existed on this planet you ignore science you obstruct you refuse to have conversations with people this is something that i see at the local level all the way up to the halls of congress it cannot stand we can't have a functioning society like this so if you don't want me that's like just tell people yeah absolutely i stand by what i said councilmember berger i absolutely stand by what i said what is your further next question yes okay well yeah councilman um already killed a lot of people council member grouper that is gardner this is fun oh councilman i'm sorry i'm okay thank you uh councilmember gruber did you have a point no i just love being lectured by socialist it's always fun so um if there's no further discussion i'd like to call for the vote it sounds like people have made up their minds already um on this issue and it's not going to move forward regardless of what i do um and regardless of what staff do to try to make this a workable proposal uh is there objection uh to the cohen's proposal abject uh council member gardner i mean i am sorry council member groover partner councilmember gardner and we were also called goons too by the chair of the democrat party arapahoe county who's also a socialist further discussion i mean his arms are on to the there is our is our further opposition mayor as opposed uh so i have uh gardner gruber bergen versus uh in the mayor is there further opposition uh of seeing none the proposal will not move forward uh seeing uh no other business uh before us uh the meeting is adjourned [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] you