[SOUNDING GAVEL] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. I CALL THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO START BACK UP WITH ITEM NUMBER 4. WE SHOULD HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON. I DO SEE ONE. COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. WE HAVE MR. GOERS, HEY AND COLLINS. >> THIS IS SHAUN COLLINS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO PRESENT THIS ITEM. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC PLANNING AND ENVIRONMENTAL RESEARCH FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. WE RECENTLY COMPLETED A BRIEF REPORT ENTITLED DEVELOPMENT IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, BEST PRACTICES POLICY ANALYSIS. I'M HERE TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT REPORT. THIS IS KIND OF A QUICK, SHORT REPORT, MEANT TO BE KIND OF A FIRST STARTING POINT ADDRESSING SOME OF THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH DEVELOPMENT IN THE HIGH HAZARD AREA. THE CITY IS ABOUT TO EMBARK ON A BROADER MORE DETAILED STUDY WITH HAZARD MITIGATION AND HIGH HAZARD AREA. THIS IS A GOOD STARTING POINT TO FEED INTOHAT STUDY. IF I CAN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY SCREEN. I CAN DO THAT AND START MY BRIEF PRESENTATION FOR YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE SEE THE SCREEN. GO AHEAD. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. SO THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA HAS BEEN PARTICULARLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO COASTAL FLOODING FROM STORAGE SURGE EVENT DEFINED BY FLORIDA STATUTES AS AREA BELOW THE ELEVATION OF THE CATEGORY ONE STORM SURGE LINE AS ESTABLISHED BY THE S LAK AND OVERLAND COMPUTERISSED STORM SURGE MODEL, THREE TIMES SINCE ITS INCEPTION AND THE MOST RECENT UPDATE IN 2016 SIGNIFICANTLY BROADENED THE AREA WE NOW KNOW AS BEING VULNERABLE FOR STORM SURGE IN A CATEGORY ONE STORM. THE REPORT GAVE SOME DEMOGRAPHICS TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH IF COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. IN 2010 THE TOTAL POPULATION IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA WILL CREASED BY 12.8% TO 67,000 PLUS. AND THE CITY OF TAMPA THE GROWTH RATE WAS 21.5% WITH A CURRENTS POPULATION OF 55,672. DURING THAT SAME TIME THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS LOCATED IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA INCREASED AS WELL, IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY THE NUMBER GREW BY 7 .4%, AND THEN TAMPA BY 17.5 PERCENT, OVER 25.5000 HOUSING UNIT IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. THE SLIDE I AM SHOWING YOU NOW ON THE RHT, THE GREEN IS THE CURRENT COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN. ON THE LEFT WAS THE PREVIOUS COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT EXPANSION AS TO WHAT WE UNDERSTAND TO BE THE VULNERABLE AREA THROUGH MODELING. WE DO EXPECT ANOTHER UPDATE IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS POLICIES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT PROVIDES GUIDANCE TO WHETHER OR NOT STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF AAND USE INCREASE IN DENSITY IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. THE SLIDE IS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE LIST AND IS ONLY MEANT TO HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE EXISTING POLICY LANGUAGE THAT WE DEAL WITH. COASTAL MANAGEMENT OBJECTIVE 1.1, DIRECT FUTURE POMMULATION CONCENTRATIONS AWAY FROM THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA TO ACHIEVE A NO NET INCREASE IN OVERALL RESIDENTIAL DENSITY WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. HOWEVER THE DEFINITION OF INCREASE IS UNCLEAR AS TO THE POINT IN TIME WHICH DENSITIES SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAPPED IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AREA AND IS NOT BEING TRACKED. IT IS ALSO UNCLEAR IF THIS IS IMPLEMENTED ON A PROJECT-BY-PROJECT BASIS OR SOME OTHER LEVEL. CONSEQUENTLY THE NO NET INCREASE IN OVERALL RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OBJECTIVE HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT. POLICIES 1.1.6 AND 1.2.2 LIMIT DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA TO SPECIFIC USES ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND BASED ON THE ABILITY OF AN APPLICANT TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT ON SHELTER SPACE LEVEL OF SERVICE. BETWEEN 2001 -- EXCUSE ME. LETE T SLIDE. BETWEEN 2001 AND 2020, 9 PLAN AMENDMENT WERE REQUESTED. PLANNING COMMISSION STAFF RECOMMENDED A FINDING OF CONSISTENCY OF 73 OF THE 89 CASES. THOSE APPLICANTS REQUESTING A LOWER DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, OR THE PROPOSAL WAS TO REPLACE RESIDENTIAL WITH INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL. 16 OF THE CASES OF THE APPLICATIONS WERE FOUND BY STAFF TO BE INCONSISTENT OR WERE SUBSEQUENTLY WITHDRAWN DUE TO STAFF'S FINDING THAT THEY WOULD INCREASE RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES IF THEY WENT FORWARD. NOW, OF ALL THE AMENDMENTS REQUESTED, 72 WERE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AND THERE WERE SEVEN INSTANCES IN WHICH CITY COUNCIL DEFERRED FROM -- DIFFERED FROM STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF INCONSISTENCY AND DID APPROVE THE APPLICATION. ACCORDING TO STAFF IN THIS REVIEW, THE REAL PLAN AMENDMENT REQUESTS BY STAFF IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA IS NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR, AND IS ESTIMATION INCONSISTENT, AND MAY NOT BE A REALLY PREDICTABLE PROCESS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE COULD BE POTENTIALLY SOME IMPROVEMENTS WITH MORE CLEAR POLICY. AN ANALYSIS OF BEST PRACTICES, EXAMPLES OF HOW DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS DEAL WITH THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA DENSITY ISSUE, THERE WAS A REPORT DONE BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES, AND IT FOUND THAT MANY COMPREHENSIVE PLANS IN THE STATE HAVE OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES THAT LIMIT OR RESTRICT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE CATEGORY, RESIDENTI DENSITY, IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. THEY ALSO LIMIT OR REGULATE THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ALLOWED IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND SOME ESTABLISH SPECIAL BUILDING REQUIREMENTS. NOW, I WANT TO PAUSE HERE AND MENTION WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOT LARGELY IS RESTRICTIONS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAND USE DENSITY CATEGORIES. WE ARE GENERALLY NOT TALKING ABOUT ZONING. THIS IS USUALLY AND GENERALLY THE PRACTICE HAS BEEN TO DEAL WITH THESE TYPES OF ISSUES NO LAND USE CATEGORY AS DENSITY LIMITATION. SO WHAT IS HAPPENING AROUND THE STATE WITH SOME OF THESE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL AND KNOWLEDGE BASED FOR WHAT TAMPA COULD POTENTIALLY DO IN THE FUTURE? ONE EXAMPLE IS THE CITY OF TITUSVILLE RESTRICTED DENSITY IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. ST. PETERSBURG USED TO INCREASE AND NOW INCLUDE DENSITY LIMITS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. HALF OF THE JURISDICTIONS REVIEWED HAVE SPECIFIC LIMIT FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. THIS CAN RANGE FROM ONE, IN HERNANDO COUNTY, OR UP TO LIKE SIX DWELLINGS PER GROWTH ACRE IN THE CITY OF BRADENTON. THE CITY OF PALMETTO USES AN AVERAGING FORMULA FOR PORTIONS OF THE RESIDENTIAL LAND USE CATEGORIES WITHIN A DENSITY ABOVE 6 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE THAT ARE LOAD DATED IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. THAT'S JUST ANOTHER DIFFERING METHOD THAT THE JURISDICTION USES. THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE, FOR EXAMPLE, ASSIGNED EACH FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY FOUND IN THE ASTAHIGHAZARD AREA WITH SPECIFIC DENSITY MAXIMUMS RANGING FROM 15 DWELLING UNITS FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO 60 DWELLING UNITS FOR HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. ANOTHER TECHNIQUE IS TO APPLY FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES THAT ALIGN WITH EXISTING DENSITY. ON THE GROUND. THE CITY OF NEW PORT RICHEY ALLOWS NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA WITH DENSITIES NOT TO EXCEED THOSE ALLOWED UNDER THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP CATEGORY GENERALLY REPRESETATIVE OF THE EXISTING DENSITIES ON THE GROUND. METHOD 6 COMES IN FROM THE CITY OF CLEARWATER AND THE CITY OF ST. PETERSBURG. THOSE CITIES USE BALANCING CRITERIA TO CONSIDER REQUESTS FOR DENSITY INCREASES IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. CERTAIN CRITERIA ARE WEIGHTED AS MANDATORY MINIMUM CRITERIA FOR DENSITY INCREASES, INCREASED APPLICATION, OTHERWISE THE REQUEST IS DENIED. THE REMAINING REVIEW CRITERIA ARE CONSIDERED AND BALANCED ON EACH CASE-BY-CASE BASIS FOR EACH APPLICATION REQUESTING A CHANGE. NOW, HOWEVER IT HAS NOT BEEN SHOWN THAT THESE REQUIREMENTS FULLY MITIGATE EVACUATION BY LEVEL OF SERVICE ISSUES, WHICH JUST ABOUT EVERY COASTAL COMMUNITIES IS DOING, INCLUDING THE CITY OF TAMPA. THE CITY OF WEST PALM BEACH USES POPULATION GROWTH IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. THE CITY CLOSELY MONITORS THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT NO MORE THAN 5% OF ITS ANNUAL POPULATION GROWTH OCCURS IN THIS AREA. HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ONCE HAD A MITIGATION IMPACT OFFSET, BY THE COUNTY COORDINATED WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. ALTHOUGH THIS CAPABILITY REMAINS THE PROGRAM IS NO LONGER IMPLEMENTED. THIS PROGRAM CAN BENEFIT SHELTERED SPACES USING -- BUT AGAIN IT IS UNCLEAR IF SUCH A PROGRAM COULD REASONABLY MITIGATION GAIT EVACUATION TIME. FINALLY, A LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAN REVIEW PROPOSED PRIVATE SECTOR DEVELOPMENT, SHELTER SPACE AND EVACUATION TIME MITIGATION PLANS THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR PUTS OUT DURING A PLAN AMENDMENT'S AGENCY REVIEW PHASE TO DETERMINE WHETHER THE PROPOSAL, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL MEET MITIGATION STANDARDS. THIS SIMILARLY IS UNCLEAR WHETHER THE DEVELOPMENT CAN REALLY EFFECTIVELY DEAL WITH THE EVACUATION TIME EACH YEAR. AND THAT WAS A QUICK SUMMARY OF WHAT THE REPORT SAYS. AS I SAID, THIS REPORT DOESN'T GIVE YOU ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR CONCLUSIONS AT THIS POINT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT THAT WILL FEED INTO THE EFFORTS THAT IS GOING TO BE STARTING UP VERY QUICKLY WITH CITY STAFF ON A BROADER, WITH A CONSULTANT STUDY, AND THIS CAN BE A BASIS THAT CAN INCLUDE IN THAT EFFORT TO HELP GIVE SOME DIRECTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. GOERS, ARE YOU GIVING A PRESENTATION AS WELL OR IS THIS IT? >>RANDY GOERS: I AM LISTENING AND AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? MR. DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL WAIT IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY? COUNCILMAN GUDES. >>ORLANDOUDES SEE THE PLANNING COMMISSION -- I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD GO TO RANDY. TO COME UP WITH A POLICY AS RELATES TO THE CITY OF TAMPA? >>RANDY GOERS: YES, WE WILL DO IT IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS. THIS REPORT, THE REPORT THAT WAS PRODUCED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THEN TO BE GIVEN TO THE CONSULTANT WHEN THEY START. SO THEY WILL HAVE -- THE RESEARCH THAT WAS COMPILED BY THE STAFF. THE STAFF IS ALSO GOING TO BE PART OF THE AGENCY TEAM THAT WE PUT TOGETHER AND DEVELOP THE CRAFTING OF POLICIES FOR THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE? NO? COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. SO RANDY, REMIND US WHAT THAT TIMETABLE IS IN REGARD TO THE CONSULTANT AND COMING BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ON THESE POLICIES? >>RANDY GOERS: WE ARE -- WE ALREADY STARTED ADVERTISING WITH THE CONSULTANT RFQ WITH THE RELEASE AND IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL IN TERMS OF THE SELECTION AND THE CONTRACT, WE WILL HAVE SOMEBODY ON BOARD IN JULY. I THINK ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO DO THE STUDY. IT JUST DEPENDS HOW QUICKLY THEY CAN GET UP TO SPEED. BUT WITHIN SIX MONTHS, I THINK WHAT WE THINK ARE THE POLICY CHANGES, OF COURSE WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE PLAN AMENDMENT PROCESS OF GETTING THEM ADOPTED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: PERHAPS THE END OF THIS YEAR, 2021, YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN WE ALL KNOW THAT COMP PLAN USUALLY TAKES ABOUT ANOTHER NINE MONTHS TO GET THROUGH. SO WE WILL BE DEE INTO 2022 BEFORE WE SEE ANY CHANGES. MY CONCERN IS THIS. WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THE OBJECTIVE 1.1, WHICH IS THAT SAME THING WE HAVE SEEN OVER AND OVER, NO NET INCREASE IN OVERALL RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. NOBODY IS ABLE TO INTERPRET IT, SO IT BECOMES MEANINGLESS. AND ARGUABLY THAT PROVISIN IS GOING TO REMAIN IN THERE AND BE MEANINGLESS FOR ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF. AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE THAT -- AND SHAWN, I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION, AND RANDY, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL THE TIME, BUT THE OTHER ISSUE IS THE POLICY 1.22 WHICH SAYS, WELL, DEVELOPERS IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND THEN HE HAS TO MITIGATE WITH ADDITIONAL SHELTER SPACE. BUT MITIGATING AS SHAWN MENTIONED, MITIGATING ADDITIONAL SHELTER SPACE DOESN'T NECESSARILY ADDRESS THE EVACUATION. CAN PEOPLE GET TO THOSE SHELTERS? CAN PEOPLE GET OUT OF THOSE AREAS, THOSE LOW-LYING AREAS, PERIOD? IT BOTHERS ME TREMENDOUSLY THAT THESE REZONINGS CAN CONTINUE TO COME IN IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY EFFECTIVE COMP PLAN POLICIES TO ADDRESS THEM, AND WE ARE GOING TO BE ARGUABLY, IF WE WAIT, FOR THE CONSULTANT, WE ARE GOING TO BE IN THAT SAME SITUATION FOR ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, YEAR AND THREE QUARTERS, OR YEAR AND A HALF. I THINK SOME OF THESE WE COU ADDRESS OURSELVES, AT LEAST ON AN INTERIM BASIS, AND THEN IF THE CONSULTANT COMES UP WITH SOME BETTER LANGUAGE, WE CAN ALWAYS IMPROVE IT. BUT WE ARE GOING THROUGH SOME COMP PLAN -- WE ARE DOING A COMP PLAN CHANGE RIGHT NOW AS RELATED TO THE SO-CALLED MORATORIUM. I THINK WE SHOULD ADDRESS THESE POLICIES, A COUPLE OF POLICIES IN THE SHORT TERM AS WELL. ANYBODY AGREE WITH M >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN? >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DIDN'T KNOW THE TIME FRAME WAS GOING TO BE THAT LONG, MR. DINGFELDER. I THINK WE ARE SPINNING OUR WHEELS IN THE MUD IF WE ARE NOT MOVING. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS GOING TO TAKE THIS LONG TO GET SOMETHING BACK TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION. AND ALREADY THAT'S A LONG TIME. >> WELL, WE MAY BE ABLE TO SHAVE SOME TIME OFF. I'M GOING BASED ON OUR TYPICAL TIME FRAME. THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME IN AND PRODUCE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS MORE EXPEDIENTLY. THEY HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO DEVELOP THESE ISSUES. THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS WHOLE ISSUE, WHETHER WE STARTED OUT, OR WHETHER WE GO TO COUNCIL, IS NOT COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION, IT'S THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. WE HAVE SEEN IT ALREADY IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS. IT'S GETTING THE COMMUNITY OUT AND SAYING, HEY, BY THE TIME IT COMES TO YOU, YOU HAVE A SOLUTION THAT IS SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY, BROAD COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT TAKES THE TIME. THERE IS AN ACTUAL REVIEW TIME BECAUSE IT WILL GO TO THE STATE TO BE REVIEWED, BECAUSE OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT. BUT THERE'S TWO ISSUES ON THIS. ONE OF THEM IS THE RIGHT MECHANISM. THE OTHER ONE IS GETTING THE COMMUNITIES TO BUY IN ON THOSE POLICIES. SELECTING THE MECHANISM, WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION PRUCES EVERY ONE OF THOSE CITIES HAS A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO REGULATING DEVELOPMENT IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. I KNOW THAT ONCE WE GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY, WE WILL HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT APPROACHES COME TO US, AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE BRINGING THE CONSULTANT ON BOARD TO LEVERAGE THEIR EXPERIENCE, TO LOOK AT THE TREND, ALL OF THE INFORMATION, AND COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT IS THE BEST APPROACH. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I RESPECT THAT RANDY. MY DEAL IS THAT THE COMMUNITY, A CERTAIN PORTION OF OUR CITY, HAS BEEN FIGHTING REALLY HARD, AND OF COURSE WE HAVE DEVELOPERS WHO HAVE THEIR SIDE, TOO. BUT TO ME, I'M A COMMUNITY GUY. AND SOME DEVELOPERS, THEY DON'T LIVE THERE. THAT'S A BUSINESS PORTION. BUT THOSE PEOPLE ARE LIVING THERE. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TAKING THE BULK OF THEIR CONCERNS INTO CONSIDERATION VERSUS OTHER ITSELF, BECAUSE THOSE FOLKS HAVE TO LIVE THERE. AND IT'S NOT LIKE YOUUT SOMETHING THERE, A BUSINESS DEAL, AND THOSE SKY RISE BUILDINGS, THEY COME AND GO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE BROADER COMMUNITY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MINUTE COMMUNITY OF THEIR NEEDS AND THEIR CONCERNS. THAT'S WHERE -- THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR AND NEED. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS RIGHT NOW. I'LL LISTEN TO OTHER COUNCILMEN. BUT THAT'S A LONG TIME, BECAUSE WE ARE GOINGO KEEP HEARING THIS FOR A WHILE UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS. YOU ARE TALKING WAY DOWN THE ROAD. I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER COUNCILMEN HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER TALKED ABOUT EVACUATION AND THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT COMES UP MOST OFTEN. BUT LISTENING TO CLIMATE SCIENTISTS AND NONPARTISAN CLIMATE SCIENTISTS, AND LISTENING TO THE RISK MANAGEMENT DUST, TALK TO INSURANCE INDUSTRY, THEY BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ON THE HORIZON MAYBE FIFTY YEARS OUT WHERE THESE COASTAL AREAS WILL BE COVERED WITH WATER. AND SO THE QUESTION IS, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE PROPERTIES AT THAT TIME? AND THE FEEDBACK I HAVE GOTTEN IS THAT THE RISK INDUSTRY WILL PULL OUT BEFORE THE WATER REALLY HITS, AND THAT MEANS THAT PEOPLE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET MORTGAGES, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO REFINANCE, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO SELL BECAUSE PEOPLE WON'T BE ABLE TO PELE WHO HAVE CASH WILL BEEN ABLE TO BUY THESE PROPERTIES. THEN THE OTHER THING IS PEOPLE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET INSURANCE WHICH ALSO MEANS THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET DEBT ON THAT, AND WHO KNOWS WHAT OTHER EFFECT THAT MIGHT HAVE? I WONDER IN THE CONVERSATION ABOUT COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THERE ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITY, OBLIGATIONS OR LIABILITY EVEN FOR COMMUNITIES TO, ONE, DEVELOPERS OR TO SET GUIDELINES BECAUSE MOSS SCIENTISTS ARE PREDICTING IN FIVETY YEARS THAT PROBABLY THE BUILDING MIGHT NOT BE WORTH ANYTHING? >> ARE THOSE DIRECTED AT ME? >>BILL CARLSON: SURE. WHOEVER WANTS TO ANSWER IT. >> THERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, OUR DEPARTMENT IS WRAPPING UP A STUDY IN TAMPA AND THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, AND SOME OF THE INITIAL IDEAS, I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE LONG-TERM IMPACTS, SIXTY, SEVENTY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. THE STUDIES RECOMMEND SOME IDEAS, SOME OF THEM WOULD REQUIRE CONSIDERABLE COMMUNITY DIALOGUE. THAT'S THE PROVISIONS THAT MANY OF THOSE IDEAS WOULD ACTUALLY NEED, FIRST TO AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER TO A COMMUNITY AND SO FORTH. BUT THAT STUDY WILL ALSO HAVE INPUT THAT WILL LEAD INTO THIS STUDY. SO THE CONSULTANT HAS THE BENEFIT OF UNDERSTANDING SEA LEVEL RISE IN ITS DYNAMIC FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SHAWN, THIS COMES BACK TO THE CORE QUESTION AND I THINK YOU BUMPED AGAINST IN THE YOUR PRESENTATION. WHAT IS THE RISK, WHAT IS THE DANGER OF ALLOWING THIS CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT AND INCREASE IN DEVELOPMENT IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA? I MEAN, ALLEGEDLY THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE BUILDING MORE SHHH SHELTER SPACE OR CONTRIBUTING TO MORE SHELTER SPACE. SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER RISKS, VIS-A-VIS EVACUATION, OR WHAT HAVE YOU? >> SHAWN COLLEGE: YES, A GOOD QUESTION. GENERALLY WE ARE DOING ALL RIGHT COUNTYWIDE. THE LAST I CHECKED WITH REGARD TO SHELTER SPACE. AND AS YOU MENTIONED, THE REAL PROBLEM WE HAVE IS EVACUATION TIME. THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF POPULATION THAT IS GOING TO GET INTO THEIR CARS AND THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO LEAVE THE COUNTY. WE CAN INFLUENCE HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT IS, BUT THERE'S -- WE CAN'T MAKE PEOPLE DO THINGS. THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE GET IN THEIR CAR AND TRY TO LEAVE THE COUNTY. AND AS YOU INCREASE THE POPULATION, VIA LAND USE CHANGES THAT INCREASE DENSITY, YOU ARE ADDING TO THAT POPULATION, TO THAT PERCENTAGE OF THAT POPULATION THAT'S GOING TO GET IN THEIR CARS AND TRY TO LEAVE, AND WE DETERMINED THAT WE CANNOT GET EVERYBODY OUT THAT IS GOING TO WANT TO LEAVE, AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT IS ESTABLISHED UNDESTAT LAW AND UNDER THE COMP PLAN. THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR PEOPLE TO BE STUCK IN THEIR CARS DURING A STORM SURGE EVENT, ON THE ROAD, AND IN DANGER. SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL, AGAIN, AND WE ALWAYS AS PLANNERS TEND TO LOOK AT THIS IN TERMS OF LAND USE CATEGORY CHANGES THAT INCREASE DENSITY. THAT'S ALWAYS THE DANGER. WE LOOK AT IT AS PLANNERS THAT THE LAND USE DENSITIES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED ON THE MAP, THEY ARE CONTEMPLATED. THEY HAVE BEEN CONTEMPLATED HISTORICALLY, AND POPULATIONS UNDER THAT LAND USE CATEGORY ARE WHAT WE HAVE CONTEMPLATED WILL BE BUILT THERE. SO THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE NATURAL GROWTH IN POPULATION IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD BECAUSE THERE'S A CAPACITY ALREADY AVAILABLE UNDER THE CURRENT LAND USE CATEGORIES THAT ARE ON THE GROUND. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT SOME OF THESE JURISDICTIONS, SHAWN, HAVE TAKEN A STEP FURTHER THAN THE LAND USE CATEGORY. THEY HAVE LIMITED THE REZONING -- I MEAN, GRANTED, IF SOMEBODY ALREADY HAS A ZONING AND THEY HAVE A LAND USE CATEGORY AND ALL THEY ARE WAITING TO DO IS PULL A PERMIT, THEN THOSE ARE ALREADY DONE, OKAY. BUT THE ONES THAT ARE COMINGWITH A LAND USE CATEGORY THAT ARE ASKING FOR A ZONING CATEGORY TO MEET THAT, LET'S SAY 30 OR 35 UNITS PER ACRE ON A CMU-35, A LOT OF THE JURISDICTIONS THAT YOU SHARED WITH US HAVE SAID, WAIT A SECOND, WE DON'T CARE IF YOU GOT A CMU-35. IF YOU ARE IN THE CHHA, WE ARE GOING TO LIMIT YOU TO TEN UNITS PER ACRE, SIX UNITS PER ACRE. I CHARACTERIZING SOME OF THOSE JURISDICTIONS? >> WELL, I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY PARSED OUT WHICH JURISDICTION VERSUS A ZONING POLICY AND WHICH JURISDICTIONS HAVE A LAND USE CATEGORY POLICY. I TEND TO THINK MOST OF THEM ARE DEALING IN LAND USE, AND HISTORICALLY THAT IS WHERE WE DEALT WITH IT, AND THAT IS THE STATE LAW TEND TO EVOLVE AROUND LAND USE, NOT SO MUCH REZONINGS. SO AS WE HAVE DEALT WITH STATE LAW IN THE POPULATION IN THE COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA, WE LAND USE SIDE.WITH IT ON THE >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT SOME OF THOSE JURISDICTIONS AND THE DESCRIPTIONS YOU PROVIDED, IT APPEARED TO ME CLEARLY THEY WERE TAKING IT FURTHER THAN THAT, AND SOME OF THOSE JURISDICTIONS. I DON'T HAVE IN THE FRONT OF ME. I KNOW YOU PROVIDED A COPY OF THE REPORT TO ME BECAUSE I ASKED YOU FOR ONE. DID YOU PROVIDE ONE TO ALL COUNCIL, OR COULD YOU? >> I THINK WE DID FORWARD TO THE ALL COUNCIL, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN IF ANYBODY DOESN'T HAVE THEIR COPY AND I WOULD JUST SAY, COUNCILMAN, I THINK AT THE END, THIS EXPANDED STUDY THAT RANDY GOERS IS ABOUT TO UNDERGO, THAT'S THE PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CONSULTANTS TO LOOK INTO THOSE IMPLICATIONS OF ZONING AND WHETHER THAT'S AN OPTION, AND WHETHER IT'S AN APPROPRIATE OPTION, AND WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS OF DOING THAT FOR THE CITY ARE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GUESS I TEND TO BE AN IMPATIENT GUY. AND WHEN I SEE THESE REZONINGS COME IN FRONT OF US MONTH AFTER MONTH, WEEK AFTER WEEK, WITH CONTINUED INCREASE, NET INCREASE IN DENSITY, OR NET INCREASE IN DENSITY, NO DOUBT IN MY MIND, THAT'S WHERE I GET EXTREMELY CONCERNED, BECAUSE LIKE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY FIRST AND FOREMOST. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS DISCUSSION IS ALL ABOUT. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMPLAIN. THEY SAY, OH, THE TRAFFIC IS BUSY AND THIS, THE SCHOOLS ARE CROWDED. AND THOSE ARE IMPORTANT ISSUES. BUT THERE'S NO ISSUE MORE IMPORTANT TO ME THAN EVACUATION AND PUBLIC SAFETY. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYBODY ELSE? COUNCILMAN CARLSON >>BILL CARLSOK QUESTION. THE SELMON EXTENSION JUST OPENED. WILL THERE BE NEW TRAFFIC MODELING NOW THAT THAT'S DONE TO SEE HOW THE EVACUATION TIMES ARE CHANGING? >> SHAWN COLLEGE. THE STATE DOES A REGIONAL HURRICANE EVACUATION MODEL, AND THEY DO IT ABOUT EVER FIVE YEARS, AND THEY JUST COMPLETED ONE, OR THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF COMPLETING ONE. THAT SHOULD COME OUT FOR THE NEW COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA WILL COME OUT IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. I'M NOT INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS. THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL AS TO WHETHER THEY MODELED IT WITH THE COMPLETION OF THE SELMON OR PRIOR TO COMPLETION. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. >> THINKING THROUGH, UNDERSTAND WAG THEY ARE USING AS THEIR BASELINE PROJECTIONS, I KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE USING THE MOST CURRENT TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT FOR THE MODELING. >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING EE? ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT. OUR LAST ITEM OF THE DAY IS GOING TO BE ITEM NUMBER 5 REGARDING SIDEWALKS AND WHATNOT. I SEE GREG HAHN. WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE. I BELIEVE WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN. GO AHEAD, SIR. >>VIK BHIDE: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL AND CHAIR. VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR, MOBILITY DEPARTMENT. I'M ALSO JOINED BY PATRICK PEREZ WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO ASK LEGAL QUESTIONS. WE DID SUBMIT A PRESENTATION, IF YOU COULD BRING THAT UP. THE ITEMS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS IS THE SIDEWALK -- THE SIDEWALK WORKSHOP AND THE MOTION MADE BY COUNCILMAN CITRO A FEW MONTHS BACK WHEN WALK/BIKE TAMPA MADE THEIR PRESENTATION, AND MADE THEIR RECOMMENDATION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. HERE IS THE WHOLE MOTION. I WON'T READ IT BUT BASICALLY IT HAS A COUPLE OF PARTS. ONE IS TO UNDERSTAND HOW SIDEWALKS ARE FUNDED AND WHAT THE CURRENT PROCESS IS, VIS-A-VIS FUNDING AND IMPLEMENTATION. THE OTHER ASPECT OF THE OTHER PART, NEXT SLIDE, OF THE PRESENTATION IS LOOK INTO THE FUTURE A LITTLE BIT, HOW WILL WE PRIORITIZE SIDEWALKS, VERSUS HOW WE ARE DOING IT CURRENTLY, WHICH IS THE PREVIOUS SECTION. AND THE THIRD PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS GOING TO BE WALK/BIKE TAMPA SPECIFIC PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS, AND STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE SAME. AS FAR AS Q AND A ARE CONCERNED, WE HAVE ADDED SLIDES IF YOU WANT TO BREAK UP THE DISCUSSION INTO THESE THREE ITEMS, OR WE COULD DO THE WHOLE DISCUSSION AT THE END. THAT'S COUNCIL QUESTIONS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. NEXT SLIDE. NEXT SLIDE. SO LET'S LOOK HISTORY IN-LIEU FEE. IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN APRIL OF 1990. THE IN-LIEU FEE IS DESCRIBED IN CHAPTER 22, STREETS AND SIDEWALKS PARTICULARLY UNDERSTOOD SECTIO A THAT DEALS WITH FEES. IN 2010 THE IN LIEU FEE WAS REDUCED. WHAT USED TO BE $43 WAS REDUCED TO $29. AND BASED ON WHAT WE RESEARCHED, IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE COST OF SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION AT THE TIME BY DEVELOPERS, AND MAKING A COMMDATION OF THE SAME. AND CERTAINLY NO ESCALATION WAS INCLUDED TO ACCOUNT FOR INCREASING COSTS AND CONSTRUCTION FACTORS, AND THIS CONSTRUCTION PROCESS DECREASED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE HAVE SEEN COSTS GO UP BY AROUND 40 TO 50% IN SOME CASES. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO POLICIES, THERE'S A LITTL INFE BOTTOM BUT BASICALLY WHAT IT SHOWS IS ON THE TOP, THE TABLE ON THE TOP IS IN-LIEU FEE BALANCES THAT WE HAVE AS OF DECEMBER 4th. THE NEXT TABLE IS WHERE THOSE IN-LIEU FEES ARE COLLECTED UNDERSTOOD. THEY ARE COLLECTED UNDERSTOOD IMPACT FEE OR MULTIMODAL FEES, AND THESE ARE OTHER FEES COLLECTED FROM 2013 THROUGH 2021, AND THE BOTTOM ROW OF THE SECOND TABLE ARE THE TOTAL. AND THE THIRD TABLE THESE ARE THE ACTUALS. MEANING THE CULMINATION OF THE FUND THAT WERE COLLECTED OVER TIME, AND THOSE THAT ARE BEING COLLECTED TO DATE. AND 2019, WE WERE USING IN-LIEU FEES ALMOST ENTIRELY FOR BUILDING SMALL SIDEWALKS, OR FOR A MAJORITY OF THE FUNDING WENT TO MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OR PRESERVATION OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM. AFTER 2019, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT RECOGNIZED THAT WE ARE NOT IMPLEMENTING OUR BUILD OR BUILDING ENOUGH NEW SIDEWALKS, AND SO WE STARTED SHARING THOSE IN-LIEU FEES BETWEEN CAPITAL AS WELL AS MAINTENANCE. SO CURRENTLY WE ARE USING IN-LIEU FEES, AND IT'S NOT A LOT, BUT WE ARE USING THEM PARTLY TO BUILD SIDEWALKS, PARTLY TO FILL GAPS, AND MAINTENANCE OF SIDEWALKS. WE'LL LOOK AT THAT IN THE NEXT SLIDE. HERE ARE THE ACCUMULATED BALANCES, IN THE IN-LIEU FEE TRUST FUND, THE SIDEWALK TRUST FUND. AND THIS IS A REFLECTION OF ALL THE BALANCES COLLECTED OVER THE YEARS, AND THEN OF COURSE WHATEVER HAS BEEN COLLECTED TO DATE. NUMBERS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY CONSTRUCTING A LOT OF SIDEWALKS, AND MITIGATION AS WELL, AND THE MAP ON THE RIGHT, HOW IT IS DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE REGION, AND IT CAN ONLY BE USED WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO IN 2019, WHEN WE STARTED DOING CAPITAL, ONE OF OUR FIRST PROJECTS WAS TAMPANIA FROM COLUMBUS TO TAMPA BAY BOULEVARD. THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE PROJECT MEANING THERE ARE NO STORMWATER CONSIDERATIONS OR MITIGATIONS TO THAT EFFECT TRE. WERE NO GRAND TREES AROUND WITHIN TEN FEET OF THE SIDEWALK, TO ADD TO SOME OF THE DESIGN CHALLENGES, AND THERE WEREN'T ANY ISSUES WITH CONTIGUOUS SIDEWALKS. SO WHEN WE BILLED BUILT THIS IN 20919, FOUR YEARS BACK, IT WAS ABOUT HALF A MILE, AND THE COAST WAS $66 PER LINEAR FOOT, WHICH INCLUDED DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE THIS SHOWS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FROM FY 20. AND AS WE -- THE FIRST IS THE ACTUAL TO DATE. THAT AMOUNT IN EXCESS OF $1 MILLION. AND IT IS REFLECTIVE OF IN-LIEU FEES. THIS IS REALLY A COMBINATION OF EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN COLLECTED TO DATE IN THE PAST, BUT REALLY WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT IS THE BUDGET ALLOCATED WHICH IS $182,000 WHICH IS PULLED FROM THE IN-LIEU FUND AND WE DID AS CAPITAL PROJECT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN SIDEWALKS. THIS IS REALLY FOR THE PURPOSE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THERE ARE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES, 25 BLOCKS AS WELL, AND WE COMBINED WITH STATE FUNDING TO SUHUR SPRINGS ROUTE TO SCHOOL. WE ALSO HAVE THE BOULEVARD ON LOIS AND OTHER PROGRAMS THAT ARE PROGRAMMED IN OTHER YEARS. SO WE ARE GETTING CREATIVE AND FUND SOME EXTERNAL SOURCES AND WHAT WE HAVE -- OTHER INCLUDE THE WESTSHORE NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT FUND, AND THAT IS A SPECIAL FEE WITHIN THE WESTSHORE DISTRICT, FUND FROM DEVELOPERS, AND WE ARE FUNDING A COUPLE OF PROJECTS, ONE ON FIG STREET, THE OTHER ON HUBERT AVENUE. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS ANOTHER SHEET WHICH SHOWS WE RECEIVE SIDEWALK FUNDING FROM THE CIT, HALF A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, SOME YEARS BACK, A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. HOWEVER, THIS IS GOING AWAY. THIS IS THE LAST YEAR THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET THIS HALF MILLION DOLLARS. AND IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY STARTING NEXT YEAR. XT SLIDE. SO THAT MEANS IN EFFECT THAT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS THAT FUNDS OUR SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE PROGRAM, CRACKED CEILINGS, AND LEAKING PANELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S GOING AWAY AND THE ONLY OTHER SOURCE AS OF WRECKS YEAR IS GOING TO BE LOCAL OPTION GAS TAXES WHICH ARE ALREADY STRESSED. BUT THAT'S OUR ONLY OPTION. OUR MAINTENANCE BACKLOG OVER 600 CUSTOMER SERVICE REQUESTS, AND THE ACTUAL NEED FOR REPAIRS IS MUCH HIGHER, AND THE REASON IS OUR PROGRAM, WE ARE GOING DOWN THE LIST OF VARIOUS CITIZEN REQUESTS THAT HAVE COME IN, AND WE ARE FILLING THOSE GAPS AS THEY COME IN, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THAT'S THE WHOLE PICTURE. THERE ARE MANY OTHER SIDEWALK GAPS WITHIN THE CITY THAT -- WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF IDENTIFYING, AND WE'LL CHECK ON THAT REAL SOON, AND WE JUST HAVEN'T RECEIVED COMPLAINTS FOR THAT, AND THAT'S POSSIBLE. OTHER NEIGHBORS MAY NOT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO THIS SHOWS OUR CURRENT COSTS AND HOW THEY ARE DRAWN UP OVER TIME. FROM 2012 TO 2020, WHERE WE ARE, LINE ITEMS COST PER LINEAR FOOT HAS GONE UP. OUR AMOUNT IS ACTUALLY $75. AND THE AVERAGE COST PER LINEAR FOOT FOR TYPICAL SIDEWALKS CONSTRUCTION, THIS NUMBER CAME IN FROM OPERATIONS THAT DOES A LOT OF SIDEWALK WORK. OVER 100 SMALL PROJECTS, 40 TO 50-FOOT LENGTH THANKS DOES NOT INCLUDE ENGINEERING OR DESIGN. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE MITIGATION FOR TREE CONCERNS, THE ROOTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT IS THE REAL COST TO CONSUCT LINEAR FOOT OF SIDEWALK, ASSUMING FIVE FOOT OF SIDEWALK. SOME YEARS BACK THAT USED TO BE FOUR FEET SO THAT'S ALSO A DIFFERENCE IN THE COST. THAT FOUR TO FEET FIVE IS ADA STANDARDS THAT HAVE CHANGED OVER TIME. SO THAT'S OUR NUMBER. $75. THAT'S A REAL COST. NEXT SLIDE. SO WE CAN STOP HERE AND DISCUSS HOW WE DO SIDEWALKS TODAY, OR I CAN PROCEED. WHAT'S THE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST A FEW COMMENTS BEFORE WE GET TO QUESTIONS. IN MY DISTRICT, OR IN MUCH OF THE CITY, THE BIGGEST REQUEST OR COMPLAINT OR CONCERN I GET -- IT'S A CONCERN, BUT PEOPLE ARE ASKING, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO PUT SIDEWALKS AND WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO BEHAVE THE ROAD? YOU DO THAT AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY. IN WEST TAMPA, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE OPEN DITCHES. WE DON'T HAVE THE MORE MODERN STORM DRAIN SYSTEM THAT WE DO IN SOUTH TAMPA AND OTHER AREAS OF THE CIT AND THOSE ARE VERY DANGEROUS BECAUSE IN A LOT OF THESE RESIDENTIAL ROADS, THEY ARE VERY NARROW STREETS. AND WITHOUT A SIDEWALK, IT'S NOT SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS, AND IT'S DANGEROUS FOR AUTOMOBILES TURNING. AND I HAVE SEEN MANY, MANY CARS FALL INTO THESE DIFFERENCE. YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP THE TAMPANIA PROJECT, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE STREET. AND IT'S ALARMING TO SEE THE PRICES GOING UP. IT WAS CHEAP WHEN I GOT A QUOTE FROM MAYOR BUCKHORN, ONE STREET THAT I COMPLAINED ABOUT SPEEDING AND WHATNOT. THEY SAID LET'S PUT A SIDEWALK. AND IT WAS $100,000 JUST FOR THAT ONE ROAD. WASN'T A VERY LONG ROAD. AND THEN THE PROJECT WAS SCRAPPED FOR OTHER REASONS. BUT WHEN TRANSPORTATION WAS PROPOSED AND ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WAS WE WOULD HAVE DEDICATED FUNDING FOR 30 YEARS TO BUILD THESE SIDEWALKS. AND AGAIN, BUILD THE SIDEWALKS AND PAVE THE ROADS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY. NOT JUST BECAUSE IT LOOKS GOOD BUT IT'S A MAJOR PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE AND CONCERN. KIDS CAN'T WALK TO SCHOOL SAFELY. FOLKS THAT ARE IN WHEELCHAIRS, THEY HAVE TO GO OUT INTO THE STREET, JUST TO MANEUVER, AND THE SIDEWALKS ARE NOT CONNECTED AND WHATNOT. IT'S A DANGEROUS THING ON TOP OF THE QUALITY OF OUR ROADS. I UNDERSTAND. IT RAINS IN THE SUMMERTIME AND POP HOLES POP UP AND THEY GET WASHED OUT. BUT THE QUALITY OF OUR ROADS IS TERRIBLE. THERE ARE SOME ROADS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PAID IN 30, 40 YEARS, AND IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING. I SAW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S UP. YES SIR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT EXACTLY YOU ARE SPEAKING ABOUT, AND THAT VIK JUST SPOKE ABOUT, IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT 2022, THAT THERE ILL BE NO LONGER THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX MONEY TO DO THIS, EVEN THOUGH IT GOES THROUGH 2027, 2022, 2023, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX. HOW IN THE WORLD ARE WE ARE GOING TO MEET THE OBLIGATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WHEN IT'S AT THAT TIME, FROM GAS DRIVEN AUTOMOBILES TO ELECTRIC AUTOMOBILE, TO START GETTING SOME UPWARD MOBILITY STANDARDS, IN OTHER WORDS, FROM ONE OR TWO PERCENT NOW, MAYBE TEN PERCENT OR EVEN GREATER BY THAT TIME, AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE LESS INVESTMENT TAX MONEY OR NONE AT ALL, AND OPTION GAS TAX WILL BE REDUCING BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET THE SHARE. AND THEN Y GO BACK, AND WE TALK ABOUT FIXING SOMETHING. YOU GO BACK TO 100 FAT WIDE LOT, 600, 735 ADDED TO THE COST OF A HOUSE, CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT'S HAPPENING? THAT 60-FOOT LOT WOULD BE ABOUT $4500. AND A 50-FOOT LOT WOULD BE 3,750 BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOT. SO WE ARE INCREASING ALREADY, AND THE COST -- AND IGREE WITH WHAT MY GOOD FRIEND VIK SAID -- THAT THE COST HAS INCREASED TREMENDOUSLY. MAYBE TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, NOW IT'S FOUR TO FIVE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF THAT PRICE. AND CEMENT HAS GONE UP. YOU LOOK AT ANYTHING INCLUDING WHEN YOU LOOK AT PLYWOOD, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE, I DON'T SEE HOW THEY CAN AFFORD IT. THE COST OF A HOUSE HAS GOEN UP, I WOULD THINK, 20: 30,000 JUST ON THE WOOD ALONE. WE DO ALL OF THAT, AND YOU ADD 4500 FOR 60-FOOT LOT, FOR A 50-FOOT LOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ARE GOING TO CALL ANYTHING AFFORDABLE. WE DON'T DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT WORD TO USE ANYMORE. AND I UNDERSTAND THE NATURE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OPEN DITCHES. SO LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS. THERE'S SOME THAT SAY THAT THEY WANT THAT IN LIEU OF. IN LIEU OF WHAT? YOU HAVE A DITCH. AND YOU HAVE NO PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. ARE WE GOING TO TAKE SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY TO BUILD A SIDEWALK THAT YOU HAVE TO JUMP A DITCH TO WALK 60 OR 70 OR 100 FEET AND THEN JUMP BACK OUT? I WOULD RATHER SEE CONNECTIVITY ON SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY THERE, MAKE IT SIMPLER, AND AT LEAST THE EYES CAN SEE THAT YOU HAVE A SIDEWALK FOR A BLOCK. SO WE MUST HAVE SOMETHING. AND WE DON'T NEED A PROFESSIONAL STUDY. SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO WALK THE STREET AND DIAGRAM HOW MUCH, OR MAYBE ONE OF THOSE DRONES TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH SIDEWALK YOU HAVE IN A DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD ANDO IT OURSELVES AND SAVE SOME MONEY, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE A WAY OUT OF DOING THIS IN ANY EQUALITY, SO THAT SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY MORE AND THEN GOING TO HAVE A SIDEWALK. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SIDEWALK, AND YOU ARE GOING TO PAY IN LIEU OF, WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO THAT PERSON? WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF YOU HAVE A DITCH IN FRONT OF YOU, AND YOU ARE STILL GOING TO PAY TO MOVE WHEN YOU BUILD A HOUSE? THOSE ARE THINGI DE WITH EVERY SINGLE DAY AND I'M SURE THE REST DO THE SAME. SO IT'S A PROBLEM WE HAVE GOT TO FIX. AND IT SEEMS SO EASY. THE COSTS ARE SKYROCKETING. THE LAND COST IS SKYROCKETING. YOU CAN'T BUY A LOT IN TAMPA FOR LESS THAN 100,000. SO WHAT I AM LOOKING AT IS, HOW IS ANYONE, EVEN IF BOTH HUSBAND AND WIFE ARE WORKING, GET SOMETHING GOING AND THEY A WORKING, WITHOUT A COLLEGE DEGREE, IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO BUY A HOUSE. AND ONLY THOSE THAT CAN AFFORD IT, ABOUT YOU THOSE THAT CAN'T NOT AFFORD IT, AND WE NEED ANSWERS AND I AM ASKING FOR SOME HELP TO FIND THE ANSWERS. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. >>GUIDO MANISCLCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, THEN COUNCILMAN GUDES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THIS MORNING I CALLED VIK AND I SAID, VIK, WHERE IS THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE IN-LIEU FEE? AND HE SAID, OH, THAT'S THE SECOND AND THIRD PART OF HIS PRESENTATION? SO I THINK THAT DISCUSSION IS COMING, AND IT'S A GOOD DISCUSSION, MR. MIRANDA, AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION. I THINK WERE GOING TO GET TO IT. BUT MY QUESTION AS RELATED TO WHAT WE HAVE HEARD ALREADY IS, VIK, YOU SORT OF GAVE IT AS A GIVEN THAT THE VIP MONEY IS GOING TO BE GOING AWAY IN 2022. WHY DO YOU SAY THAT? AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS, DOES YOUR $75 INCLUDE PROJECT MANAGEMENT COSTS? >>VIK BHIDE: SO THE FIRST PART OF THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY REVENUE AND FINANCE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE FUNDING RUNS OUT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE FUNDING RUNS OUT FIVE YEARS LATER, MR. MIRANDA SAID, LIKE IN 2025 OR 2027. SO WHY 2022? WHO IS MAKING THAT DECISION? I THOUGHT CITY COUNCIL WAS THE ONE WHO ESTABLISHES THE CIP EVERY YEAR. JEAN DUNCAN. >>JEAN DUNCAN: YOU CAN -- >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN YOU HELP US JEAN? >>JEAN DUNCAN: YES. WE HAVE BEEN INFORMED BY REVENUE AND FINANCE THAT THERE IS A LONGER LIST, AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER PRIORITIES THAT WE THINK ARE GOING TO WIN OUT OVER SIDEWALKS, WHICH ARE IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY AREA OF OUR NEED. SO IT'S NOT 100% DECIDED YET, AND GO THROUGH BUDGET PROCESS TO MAKE FINAL DECISIONS OF THE COUNCIL, BUT WE ARE APPARENTLY LOW ON THAT PRIORITY LIST AT THIS TIME. WORST.LIKE TO PLAN FOR THE WHAT THAT'S SAYING IS PLAN FOR THE WORST AND HOPE FOR THE BEST, IS BASICALLY WHAT VIK IS SAYING WHEN HE SAYS THOSE FUND ARE GOING TO GO AWAY. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELL, I KNOW AT LEAST THIS COUNCILMAN IS GOING TO KEEP A REAL CLOSE EYE ON THAT ISSUE ON THE SIP, BECAUSE SIDEWALKS ARE SOMETHING THAT WE ALL HEAR ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ON A VERY REGULAR BASIS. I NOT JUST THIS ONE GROUP, WALK/BIKE, THAT'S DOING A GOOD JOB. ALL HEAR ABOUT SIDEWALKS ALL THE TIME AND THE ENACT WE MIGHT DEFUND THEM SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO PAVE ROADS OR WHAT HAVE YOU? I JUST THINK IT'S THE WRONG DIRECTION. I WOULD HOPE THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD AGREE. SO MY OTHER QUESTION, VIK, WAX PERHAPS AN EASIER ONE, WAS THE $75 PER FAT INCLUDE ADMINISTRATIVE AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT COSTS? THANK YOU, JEAN. >>VIK BHIDE: NO, IT DOES NOT. >>.JEAN IT DOES NOT INCLUDE MANAGEMENT COST OR DESIGN. THAT'S ABOVE THE $75. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHEN YOU WERE GOING THROUGH YOUR SPREADSHEET, PROJECT MANAGEMENT COSTS WERE NOT INSIGNIFICANT. I SAW $50 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, PROJECT MANAGEMENT COST. >>VIK BHIDE: THE DELIVERY MECHANISM AS WELL, SO CONSULTANT, AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT COSTS ARE HIGHER, BRINGING IT IN-HOUSE IS MUCH LOWER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT IT STILL EXISTS NO MATTER WHAT. >>VIK BHIDE: ABSOLUTELY. THEN THOSE COSTS HAVE GONE UP BEE OF THE OVERALL. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING ABOUT THE IN-LIEU ISSUE THAT MR. MIRANDA WAS TALKING ABOUT, I GUESS WHAT MR. BHIDE FINISHES HIS PRESENTATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. AND WE HAVE COUNCILMAN GUDES. COUNCILMAN CITRO. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU MENTIONED $75. I KNOW A LOT OF GUYS WHO DO SIDEWALKS, AND $75 A SQUARE FOOT? THAT'S AOT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN -- ASTRONOMICAL FEES. WE PAY MORE OUT OF THE CITY BUDGET FOR STUDIES AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND. SOME OF THIS STUFF, I'M NOT PICKING ON ADMINISTRATION. BUT TO ME, IF I SEE A BROKEN SIDEWALK, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A STUDY? ALL THESE THINGS THAT'S COSTING US MONEY WHEN I CAN HAVE A CREW GO OUT THERE, ORAY HEY, THIS IS WHAT YOU GET NO YEAR, AND GO OUT AND DO SOME SIDEWALKS. 600 CUSTOMERS ARE WAITING ON A WAITING LIST. HOW ARE YOU GOING GET 600 PEOPLE AT $75 A SQUARE FOOT, CIP MONEY WILL STOP. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WATCHING. 600 PEOPLE, WHAT YOUR SCHEMATIC SAYS, ARE WAITING FOR SOME TYPE OF SIDEWALK REPAIR. YOU ACCOMPLISH THAT?NG, HOW D I DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING. I HEAR TALK, AND I HEAR TALK, BUT I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE IS THE SOLUTION? BECAUSE TO ME, NEGOTIATING SOME PEOPLE, BUT $75 A SQUARE FOOT, 600 CUSTOMERS A WEEK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR. >>VIK BHIDE: WE DO HAVE A BUDGET SHORTFALL. RE TN HALF OF OUR ROADS ARE IN SATISFACTORY TO POOR CONDITION. WE KNOW THAT. AND THAT IS TIED TO THE BUDGET. A BIG PORTION OF OUR TRANSPORTATION BUDGET, AND YET WE ARE IN A VERY BIG HOLE. AND IT'S NOT JUST SIDEWALKS. I DON'T HAVE A GREAT ANSWER BEYOND WE NEED MORE FUNDING TO MAKE SURE WE CLEAR OUT THE BACKLOG. AND AS FAR AS THE STUDY GOES, THE STUDY THAT WE ARE DOING WAS REALLY THREE FOLD. ONE IS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMMUNITY'S PRIORITIES ARE, AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE DOING THE LISTEN FIRST. AND SKIP OVER THAT PART AND TALK ABOUT IT NOW. THE OTHER ASPECT IS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE IN THE COMMUNITY AND APPLYING KNOWLEDGE BASED PARAMETERS WITH PROXIMITY TO SCHOOLS, OR HOSPITALS, AND TRANSIT CONNECTION, LIKE ROADWAY, ARTERIALS, THAT HAVE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE USED MORE BY PEOPLE THAN MAYBE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS. SO WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE ALL OF THESE THINGS. THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT ULTIMATELY, THE REASON WE ARE DOING THE STUDY NOW AND PREVIOUSLY, WAS BECAUSE THERE'S NO FUNDING ON THE HORIZON. PLANS GO BAD OVER TIME. SO WHEN YOU ENGAGE IN A PLANNING EXERCISE THE, HAS TO BE SOME SOMETHING IN FRONT OF YOU TO HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO BRING IT AND THE PLAN TOGETHER. BUT IF IT DIDN'T PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY, WE ARE ALSO GETTING STRONG SIGNALS FROM WASHINGTON AS WELL AS TALLAHASSEE THAT THERE MAY BE FUNDING FORTHCOMING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THAT PLANNING, LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY IS CRITICAL TO BE DONE RATE NOW. BUT AS THINGS STAND TODAY, LOOKING AT OUR BALANCE SHEET TODAY, YES, WE ARE IN A HOLE AS FAR AS ROADS AND SIDEWALKS ARE CONCERNED. THERE'S NO DOUBT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT SOUND ALL GOOD AND I APPRECIATE IT. BUT MY OPINION IS 600. SO WITHIN THE CITY, WE DON'T HAVE A SIDEWALK CREW THAT CAN GO OU AND PUT MUD AND REPLACE THE SIDEWALKS SO PEOPLE WHO HAVE CRACKS, IS EVERYTHING OUTSOURCED? ARE WE DOING THAT, DO WE HAVE A CREW THAT CAN GO OUT AND THEY SEE A SIDEWALK, YOU BUST IT UP, YOU TAKE THE MEASURES, YOU LAY THE MUD, AND KEEP IT MOVING? O WE HAVE THAT OR WE DON'T? >>VIK BHIDE: WE USE CONTRACTORS FOR THE MOST PART. WE ALSO USE IN-HOUSE FOR SMALL REPAIRS. AND WE TRY TO USE OUR CREWS AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. THE BIG CHALLENGE WITH DOING THINGS IN-HOUSE AND NOT USING A CONTRACTOR, OR EVEN VICE VERSA, IS ALSO WHAT IS THE FUNDING LEVEL THAT IS AVAILABLE? THAT'S ONE. THE OTHER, WHAT IS THE STAFF LEVEL THAT IS AVAILABLE? AND FROM 2008, WE HAVE BEEN DOING MORE WITH LESS FOR A LONG TIME NOW. AND WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THAT. WE ARE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. BUT WE DO NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING. THAT IS THE CORE OF OUR CONCERN. WE HAVE LOOKED AT MANY WAYS OF BEING MORE EFFICIENT WITH WHAT WE DO, AND WHAT FUNDING LEVELS WE HAVE, BUT IT DOESN'T TAB AWAY FROM THE LARGER PROBLEM. AND IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER THAN ANY OPTIMIZATION YOU CAN DO IN AN OPERATION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: AND LE I TELL PEOPLE, SOMETIMES IT'S NOT THE BIG THINGS THAT MAKE PEOPLE HAPPY, IT'S THE SMALL THINGS. AND SIDEWALKS ARE A SMALL THINGS TO PEOPLE. AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT LOOKING AT DOING SOME SMALL CREWS, TO SEE IF SOME OF THE OTHER SMALL ORGANIZATIONS THAT SHALL HAVE GUYS THAT CAN PUT THE WORK AND GO OUT THERE AND DO SMALL SIDEWALKS, AT BETTER COSTS THAN WHAT WE DO OUTSOURCES FOR, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE THAT DO THEORK, WHATEVER, BUT SOME OF THESE COSTS ARE ASTRONOMICAL, BUT TO SAY WE HAVE 600 PEOPLE ON A LIST, AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF THESE SIDEWALKS HAVE CRACKED. I DON'T SEE IT TAKING A LOT TO GO OUT THERE. I USED TO DO THAT WITH MY UNCLE, GO OUT AND BUST A SIDEWALK UP AND LAY SOME MUD. EIGHT HOUR SHIFTS. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHEEL AGAIN, DON'T REINVENT IT, BUT HAVE COMMON SENSE AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO. I YIELD BACK, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILMAN CITRO, WHY DOESN'T THE CITY CREATE A DEDICATED SIDEWALK DEPARTMENT? YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT IT. DO THE WORK OURSELVES, HIRE LOCAL INDIVIDUALS. WE TALK ABOUT CREATING JOBS, PUTTING A FEW PEOPLE TO WORK. I THINK COUNCILMAN GUDES SAID IT ONE TIME, WHEN THEY SEE A GOVERNMENT CONTRACT, THE PRICES GO UP, AND THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. WHEN WE CAN DO IT OURSELVES, IN-HOUSE TRAINING AND IN-HOUSE WORK, I'M SURE THE CITY HAD TO HAVE, YEARS AGO, MAYBE UNDER NUCCIO, MAYBE UNDER A MAYOR A HALF A CENTURY AGO, DEDICATED SIDEWALK DIVISION OR SOMETHING, ALONG WITH STREET PAVING. SO COUNCILMAN CITRO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. VIK, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO IN THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT. YOU ARE MY GO-TO GUY WHEN IT COMES TO ANYTHING MOBILITY, AND I THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR ME SO FAR. I WANT TO THANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR ALLOWING ME DICTLY AND THANK GOODNESS WE HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION THAT WE HAVE NOW FOR THAT. MY CONCERN, VIK, AND I SPOKE WITH YOU MANY, MANY TIMES, BECAUSE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD IS NOT BUSING STUDENTS WITHIN A TWO-MAIL RADIUS OF ANY SCHOOL, WE HAVE CHILDREN WALKING IN THE STREET TO GET TO SCHOOL. NOT ONLY IN WEST TAMPA, NOT ONLY IN EAST TAMPA, NOT ONLY IN SOUTH TAMPA, BUT ALL OVER THE CITY. I DON'T WANT TO SEE MOTHERS PUSHINGHEIR CARRIAGES IN THE STREET. NOW, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE VARIOUS DIFFERENT REASONS WHY WE CAN AND CANNOT PUT SIDEWALKS IN. TREES DITCHES. I UNDERSTAND. BUT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, WHEN WE STOP HAVING CONTRACTORS PUT IN A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF A HOUSE, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A MAINTENANCE FOR OUR SIDEWALKS, THAT THE SIDEWALK IS NOT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAINTAIN IT? NOW COMES THE QUESTION. THERE I A BUNCH OF CITIES DOING IMPERVIOUS SIDEWALKS NOW. THERE IS A RUBBER TRACK ON MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE THAT STRETCHES FOR MILES. AND THE LAST TEN YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN GOING ON THE BASE FOR CERTAIN EVENTS, NOTHING HAS RUINED THAT. WE ARE TALKING CONCRETE. MY VISION IS TO GET CHILDREN OFF THE STREET, GET MOTHERS OFF THE STREET PUSHING THEIR SOLLE. IS THERE ANY OTHER MATERIAL THAT WE CAN USE THAT DON'T COST $75 A LINEAR FAT THAT IS IMPERVIOUS WHERE THE ROOTS OF TREES STILL GET THEIR WATER AND ARE DISRUPTED? FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE, VIK, BUT IS THERE SOME OTHER MATERIAL THAT WE CAN USE TO MOVE THOSE PEOPLE OFF THE STREET AND ONTO SIDEWALKS TO MAKE IT SAFE? >>VIK BHIDE: THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. AND RATE NOW THAT'S THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION. THERE ARE OTHER MATERIALS TO BUILD SIDELKS WITH. THEY ARE RUBBERIZED MATERIALS THAT ARE MORE SHOCK ABSORBENT AND IMPERVIOUS AS WELL, AND THEN THERE ARE OTHERS, WE HAVE IN THE PAST, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR NATURAL RESOURCES TEAM, AND THE TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING DIVISION, TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE CONTINUE TO ROLL THE SIDEWALKS THAT WE NEED WITHIN THE CITY? AND ALSO MAINTAIN OUR STREET GRID, AND ALSO FROM THE TRANSPORTATION FUNCTION. THE RIGHT SHAPE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. DO YOU WANT TO WRAP IT UP? >>JOSEPH CITRO: YOU I DON'T KNOW IF I REALLY GOT AN ANSWER FROM VIK. IF I COULD, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I WAS JUST ASKING, WHAT OTHER WAYS CAN WE POSSIBLY HAVE? TOAVE A SIDEWALK SYSTEM, CONCRETE OR OTHERWISE? >>VIK BHIDE: THE THREE WAYS THAT I MENTIONED RIGHT NOW ARE THE ONES THAT COME TO MIND BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING. WE ARE NOT ALONE WITH THIS CHALLENGE FUNDINGWISE AND WE WILL COME BACK AND REPORT TO YOU WHAT WE FIND, IF YOU WISH, IN ABOUT SIX MONTHS. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, VIK. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU WANT TO GO? OR DO YOU WANT TO WAIT? CONTINUE WITH YOUR PRESENTATION THEN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: GETTING BACK TO THE SIDEWALK, THE SHERIFF HAS A WORK PROGRAM NOW, PRISONERS HAVE WORK PROGRAMS. MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT THESE PEOPLE RETURNING BACK AND GETTING INTO A POSITION WHERE THEY CAN GET SOME HELP AND CUT COSTS IN THAT WAY BY GOING TO THE SHERIFF, ASKING THE WORK CREW TO HELP US WITH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, THE SMALL PROJECTS TO CUT OUR COSTS DN. AND THAT WAY, PEOPLE GET A TRADE. NOW YOU HAVE A JOB, SO EXPLORE THOSE TYPES OF OPTIONS, TOO, TO GET THE 600, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER WAYS. WE CAN'T BE AFRAID TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND GIVE EVERYONE A HAND. I THIS YOU CAN DO THAT BY GETTING WITH THE SHERIFF, GETTING WITH DOC, AND THEY HAVE GOT TO LAY MUD. WITH THIS ASTRONOMIL F, SUPERVISED BY THE SHERIFF, SUPERVISED BY DOC, AND GET OUT THERE AND WORK ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT. I SEE IT ALL THE TIME IN OTHER CITIES THEY DO IT. SO JUST A THOUGHT. >>VIK BHIDE: I APPRECIATE IT, COUNCILMAN. AND WE WILL THINK OUTSIDE THE BOCA CIEGA AND COME UP WITH CREATIVE IDEAS. I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND OTHER PROJECTS. STARTING THIS YEAR, WE ARE SHIFTING FROM THE LIVE CAPITAL PROJECTS, MAKING ONE OR TWO, WHICH ARE ALSO IMPORTANT BECAUSE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS FALLING APART IN SOME CASES, TO QUICK BUILD PROJECTS WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO DO MORE PROJECTS, MORE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO YOUR POINT, YOU KNOW, TO REACH THE COMMUNITY AND DO WHAT WE CAN. AND ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT IS WITHIN THE LAST CALENDAR YEAR, OR RATHER FROM LAST MARCH TO THIS MARCH, WE HAVE CONVERTED 73 INTERSECTIONS TO CONTROL. THE CONTRACT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS. SO WE ARE DOING WHAT WE CAN, AND WE'LL LOOK FOR CREATIVE IDEAS. AND WITH SIGNALS WHAT WE HAVE DONE, WE STARTED PUTTING IN TEMPORARY TRAFFIC SIGNALS, SUPERVISED TRAFFIC CONTROLS, UNTIL WE CAN BUILD TOGETHER IN THE BUDGET LIKE WITH SIDEWALK FUNDING TO DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL. SO WE'LL DO THE SAME WITH SIDEWALKS. AKE THAT COMMITMENT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CONTINUE ON WITH THE PRESENTATION. >>VIK BHIDE: NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO THIS -- AND I WILL MOVE FAST THROUGH THIS. NEXT SLIDE. AGAIN, THIS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER TODAY, MORE DANGEROUS REGION FOR BIKES AND PEDS. WE WON'T GET INTO THAT. NEXT SLIDE. TAMPA MOVES PROGRAM. YOU HAVE PRESENTED WITH THE BASICS, BUT THE IDEA OF THIS PROGRAM IS DRIVEN BY INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, AND DRIVEN BY THE FACT THAT WE ARE RAPIDLY GROWING AND NEED TO KEEP UP WITH THE CHALLENGES OF OUR TIME. SO THE PLAN ITSELF IS A 30-YEAR VISION FOR MOBILITY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE FIRST ASPECT OF THIS PLAN IS LISTEN FIRST SESSION, AS THESE THINGS COME ON. AND THE IDEA AGAIN IS THE STANDARD AND PRIORITIES, AND CREATE A VISION OR TEMPLATE TO THE POINT THAT THE COUNCILMAN MADE EARLIER, THAT IF WE KNOW WHAT GOES WHERE BASED ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, WE CAN PROGRAM THINGS A LITTLE BETTER. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THESE ARE THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES. MOBILITY FOR ALL. OPPORTUNITY. VISION. EQUITY. AND PUBLIC SAFETY. NEXT SLIDE. AND THESE ARE KIND OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF HOW WE PRIORITIZE. WE PRIORITIZE REGIONAL ROUTES, BECAUSE THEY ARE THERE ARE MORE PEDESTRIAN, THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, AND THE NEXT THING, EXISTING SIDEWALKS. PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT, SCHOOLS, ADA ACCESS, COMMUNITIES CONCERNED FROM AN EQUITY STANDPOINT. WE MAY NOT RECEIVE THAT MANY COMPLAINTS FROM CERTAIN COMMUNITIES BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. AND THEN THE OTHER IS THE FLEXIBILITY -- PROXIMITY ACROSS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND PUBLIC SAFETY. SO PRIORITIZING HIGH SPEED ROADS, EVEN AS WE WORK TO CALM THOSE DOWN IN DECIDE AND SPEED REDUCTION AND OTHER MEASURES. AND CERTAINLY ESTABLISHING VISION ZERO CORRIDORS. NEXT SLIDE. THESE ARE DIFFERENT CEE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE. HERE ACROSS TWO CATEGORIES AND WEIGHTED. THE EXACT WEIGHT WILL BE DETERMINED AFTER THE PROCESS IS COMPLETE BUT THESE ARE THE PARAMETERS. AND EVEN AS WE SPEAK, WE ARE HOLDING THESE LISTENING SESSIONS TO ADD ANY OTHER PARAMETERS OR ANY PERFORMANCE MEASURES. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS JUST SHOWS THAT THERE ARE AREAS WHERE THERE IS MUCH MORE NEED, EVEN IF THERE ISN'T A LOT OF COMPLAINTS IN OUR 600 PLUS CONCERNS. NEXT SLIDE. AND THAT'S THE END OF THIS SECTION. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION MORE "MOVES"? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO? COUNCILMAN MIRANDA? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND I KNOW TS MEETING WITH THE CRA, AND PRO RESPECTIVE NEEDS BUT IN SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE SIDEWALKS ARE NEEDED, AS YOU WELL KNOW, THE CRA IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US THAT LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. POSSIBLY THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE IN THE CRA THAT MANAGE THE CRA, THAT GUIDE THE CRA THROUGH THE FUNDING MECHANISM, AND FOR WORK DELIVERED. I WOULD HOPE BY LISTENING TO THIS TODAY AND POSSIBLY THEY CAN PUT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THEIR PRODUCT BEING ASKED INTO THE SIDEWALK PLAN TO HELP THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I AM NOT TRYING TO TELL THEM OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT I AM JUST ASKING FOR THEM TO LOOK AT IT, TAKE A REAL GOOD LOOK AT THE AREA THAT THEY REPRESENT, FIND OUT THROUGH YOUR WORK, FIND OUT WHERE THE SIDEWALKS ARE NEEDED WITHIN THE C, AND SEE IF WE CAN HELP THEM HELP THEMSELVES BY HAVING SOME OF THAT MONEY, NOT ALL OF IT, OF COURSE, BUT SOME OF THAT MONEY, 30% TO GO INTO SIDEWALKS. IT'S VERYMPORNT. I'M NOT AGAINST SIDEWALKS. I'M FOR SIDEWALKS IN AN EQUITABLE MANNER. AND I KNOW SIDEWALKS ARE FACING A LOT OF CHALLENGES FROM YOU BUILT A SIDEWALK OR YOU FIX A STREET. AND I UNDERSTAND MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME NEIGHBORHOODS TO START -- DO THEY HAVE SIDEWALKS, ANY CONNECTIVITY? HOW FAR IS IT? HOW MUCH SIDEWALKS DO THEY NEED WITHIN A SQUARE BLOCK? IF JUST ONE PERSON OR TWO PERSONS COULD GET TOGETHER YOU COULD HAVE AT LEAST AN IDEA. I'M NOT SAYING IT WOULD BE PERFECT BECAUSE YOU IT WOULDNT BE. BUT IF YOU PUT THOSE FIGURES OVER, COULD YOU FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED WITH VERY LITTLE MONEY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN GUDES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. MIRANDA. FOR YEARS THE EAST TAMPA CRA HAS GIVEN MONEY TO TRANSPORTATION TO DO ROADS. AND THAT'S WHAT KEPT EAST TAMPA A LITTLE BIT. WE STILL HAVE SO CHALLENGES BUT EACH YEAR THEY HAVE GIVEN MONEY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALIGN ITEM IN THE CRA EAST TAMPA. THERE USED TO BE ALIGN ITEM REFERENCE TO SIDEWALKS. AND AGAIN, I GO BACK TO SAYING, THAT'S ANOTHER SOURCE, AS MR. MIRANDA SAID, THAT'S WHAT THAT MONEY IS FOR, INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL. CITY CAN'T DO IT ALL BUT THAT MONEY ISN'T GOING INTO THE GENERAL FUND, IT'S GOING INTO THE COMMUNITY FROM THE CRA TO BE UTILIZED FOR SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS. AND WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, AVENUE WEST TAMPA, A COUPLE OF FOLKS ABOUT THOSE SAME ISSUES. I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN TALK TO MS. VAN LOAN TO SEE WHAT THOSE LINE ITEMS ARE, IDENTIFY THOSE COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE CRA TO START DOING SIDEWALKS. BUT AGAIN, LOOKING AT WHEN I SAY PRENCESHIP, ENTREPRENEURSHIP, AND LOOKING AT THE SHERIFF AND DOC TO BE ABLE TO HELP IN THOSE CRAs, BECAUSE FROM THEY'RE MIGHT BE A CERTAIN GUIDELINE OR WHATEVER, BUT THE CRA DOESN'T. AND LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE FOLKS TO WORK, WHO KNOW HOW TO LEAVE MUD AND GET SOME OF THESE THINGS DONE. AGAIN LOOKING AT ALL AVENUES IN THIS POINT. THANK YOU AGAIN, SIR. >>JOSEPH CITRO: VIK, ARE YOU FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION, OR DO YOU STILLAVE MORE? >>VIK BHIDE: I STILL HAVE -- >>JOSEPH CITRO: OKAY, I'LL WAIT TILL THE END. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD. >>VIK BHIDE: NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. IN THIS SECTION WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE PROPOSED CHANGES, OR PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS FROM WALK/BIKE TAMPA, AND OUR REVIEW. NEXT SLIDE. SO WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH WALK/BIKE TAMPA OVER THE LAST, I WOULD SAY, ABOUT THE LAST SIX MONTHS. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC THAT THEY BROUGHT OUT. AND THIS IS THE CONVERSATION WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO HAVE. I THANK WALK/BIKE TAMPA FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE FORE, BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT IN-HOUSE FOR SURE, BESIDES JUST THE POLICIES AS WELL. WE ALSO MET WITH THE TAMPA BAY BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, AND HAD A FEW CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM SUBSEQUENT TO THAT AS WELL, AND OF COURSE WE HAVE WORKED WITH INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. PRIMARILY, OUR DEVELOPMENT IN GROWTH MANAGEMENT FOR WHAT USED TO BE THE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES DIVISION, BECAUSE THEY DO A LOT OF THE PERMITTING FOR RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS THAT IMPACT, THE COMMERCIAL PROJECTS ALMOST ALWAYS BUILD SIDEWALKS. I THINK FROM 2013 THROUGH 2021, THERE'S BEEN MAN ADA PROJECTS, COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, IN THE IN-LIEU OPTION, BIKE/WALK. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE DATA WE RECEIVED, THE CHART FROM THE RIGHT, DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT, THAT BASICALLY SHOWS RESIDENTIAL NEW CONSTRUCTION IN ADDITION, AND THE PERMIT WITH AND WITHOUT SIDEWALKS. AND IF YOU LOOK AT 2020, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT THE DATA SHOWS IS THAT 35 DEVELOPMENTS THAT NEVER RECEIVE IN-LIEU FEES WHICH MEANS THEY WANT TO BE AN REPLY FOR IT, AND AT THE END OF THE PROJECT,@T THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. THE OTHER 2021, AND 2020, WAS JUST A LINE ON THE BAR CHART. THAT REPRESENTS ALL THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT DID NOT FORMALLY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF IN-LIEU. SO THEY EITHER BUILT SIDEWALKS, OR THEY MAY HAVE NOT BUILT THE SIDEWALK FOR AN EXEMPTION. AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE DATA MORE IN-DEPTH AS WELL. I KNOW THAT OUR PARTNERS ARE WORKING ON AN UPGRADE TO ACCELA WITH DOCUMENTS, A LOT OF THE DATA, AND WILL REQUIRE ABOUT 6 TO 9 MONTHS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADD ADDITIONAL DEALS WITHIN ACCELA TO BE ABLE TO TRACK THIS DATA BETTER, AND OF COURSE ANY CODE REVISION THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CODIFIED. BUT THE STORY HERE IN ESSENCE IS THAT IT'S RESIDENTIAL UNITS FOR THE MOST PART THAT ARE CONSIDERED FOR THE IN-LIEU PROCESS, THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALMOST ALWAYS BUILD SIDELKS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO THE PROPOSED CODE MODIFICATIONS FOR WALK/BIKE TAMPA. THE FIRST ONE WAS AN AMENDMENT OR MODIFICATION TO SECTION 22-103 AND THIS RELATES TO REQUIRING SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION WITHIN TWO MILES SCHOOL. OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THIS CHANGE ISN'T NEEDED BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT REDUNDANT. CURRENT CODE ALREADY REQUIRES THAT ALL RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES MUST BUILD A SIDEWALK, UNLESS THERE ARE EXEMPTIONS, OR UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHERS. SO THIS PART IS ALREADY COVER. THE OTHER PART, IF WE DID APPLY OUR RULES, IN ESSENCE THAT WOULD REQUIRE COVER THE ENTIRE CITY, THE UNFINISHED SECTION, IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO THE NEXT CODE MODIFICATION, THIS IS THE CONNECTIVITY ISSUE, SO IF YOU ARE BUILDING A HOME ON THE STREET WHERE THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ALREADY, HAVING SAID BEFORE 40-FOOT OF SIDEWALK ISN'T GOING TO HELP THAT STREET AS MUCH. WE DO HAVE CERTAIN CONSIDERATIONS WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION, AND WE RECOMMEND ADVISING TO ALLOW IN-LIEU FEE PAYMENT IF THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS PRESENT ALONG THE PROPERTY. BUT THIS DOES NEED A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION. WITH UNHOUSE TEAMS AND SO ON. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND THIS WAS 22-103, AND A-3, AND WALK/BIKE TAMPA, A RECOMMENDATION FOR EXEMPTION FOR SIDEWALKS THAT ARE NOT LOCAL STREETS. STAFF RECOMMENDS ALSO PROVIDING DEVELOPERS WITH AN OPTION, BASICALLY CONSTRUCT AN EQUAL LENGTH OF SIDEWALK AT A HIGHER PRIORITY LOCATION. THE PRIORITY WILL BE ESTABLISHED IN PART OF THE MOVES PROCESS. THIS GIVES A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY. BUT IT WILL REQUIRE FURTHER STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT. BUT THIS WILL BRING FLEXIBILITY TO THE PROGRAM, AND ALSO ENSURE THAT SIDEWALKS ARE AUALL GETTING BUILT. WE WOULD JUST BE ABLE TO DIRECT THEM TO A CENTRAL LOCATION TO THE EXTENT FEASIBLE. SO THIS IS A CONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS SIDEWALK CONNECTIVITY ISSUE WHERE YOU HAVE A CONNECTION PROBLEM. THIS IS ON AZEELE CLOSE TO DALE MABRY. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SIDEWALKS DO NOT CONNECT. SO IT MAY HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES SOMETIMES. PART OF THE CHALLENGE HERE IS THE PROCESS NEEDS TO IMPROVE IN WORKING WITH ALL OF OUR PARTNERS, AND THAT IS NOT HOW SIDEWALK INSTALLATIONS ARE GETTING INSPECTED IN THE FIELD, AND THAT INSPECTION IS CRITICAL. AND DID YOU GET INSPECTED WHEN A PERMIT IS PULLED? AND THAT'S ALSO A FUNCTION OF CODING IN ACCA. SO WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS THERE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. INTERFERENCE SO THIS RELATES TO IN-LIEU FEE AND WALK/BIKE TAMPA FROM 29 TO $68. OUR RECOMMENDATION, IF WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE IT, LET'S INCREASE IT TO 75 BECAUSE THAT'S THE NUMBER WE KNOW WHAT IT COSTS US. THE OER IS THIS $75 DOES NOT INCLUDE ENGINEERING OR DESIGN IN ALL OF THAT W WHICH AN INCREASE IS SIGNIFICANT AND CAN DOUBLE IT. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONSIDER THE $75 PER LINEAR FOOT. WE KNOW THIS IS HEY, BUT THESE ARE ACTUAL COSTS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 22-103-C, AND PARTICULARLY RELATED TO ROVIN THE EXEMPTION OF PROXIMITY TO GRAND TREES. IN CONFERRING WITH VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS, THIS CAN BE SOMEWHAT PROBLEMATIC, BECAUSE THERE ARE CHALLENGES WITH ACCOMMODATING SIDEWALKS, AND THOSE CHALLENGES, RIGHTS-OF-WAY, ARE MOST EFFICIENT. AND WE KNOW THAT WE OURSELVES ARE FACED WITH THESE CHALLENGES, AND TO IMPOSE THEM ON A DEVELOPER WOULDN'T BE EQUITABLE WHAT WE DO RECOMMEND IS MODIFYING THE LANGUAGE AND REQUIRING ACCOMMODATION SO LONG AS ADA COMPLIANCE CAN BE OBTAINED, AND THAT WILL REQUIRE FURTHER COLLABORATION. THIS IS ALSO RESPONSIVE COLLABORATION AT THIS TIME. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE NEXT ONE IS ALSO SECTION 22-103-C, AND THIS HAS TO DO WITH STORMWATER DITCHES AND TO REMOVE THE EXEMPTION. THIS RECOMMENDATION WE DO NOT SUPPORT. ONLY BECAUSE FOR ONCE YOU HAVE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES LIKE THE PICTURE SHOWN ON THE RIGHT WHERE YOU CAN HAVE AN EXISTING SIDEWALK, IF YOU UNEXPECTED IT, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN CAUGHT. HOWEVER, THERE ARE OTHER CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH DITCHES. AND AGAIN, NOT ALL DITCHES ARE DANGEROUS. AND THERE ARE ADVANTAGES TO DITCHES AS WELL IN TERMS OF WATER AND DRAINAGE. SO I WOULDN'T RULE OUT DITCHES ALTOGETHER. PARTICULARLY AROUND MANAGEMENT OF WATER QUALITY AND STORMWATER, BUT ALSO COST IS A FACTOR. SO STORMWATER, AND WE CAN'T DO SEGMENT BY SEGMENT. WE RECOMMEND THAT WE NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS SUGGESTION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE NEXT PROPOSED MODIFICATION IS TO SECTION E-4 OF CHAPTER 22-103, AND THIS REQUIRES THAT CITY COUNCIL SHOULD APPROVE THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING FOR CERTAIN EXEMPTION. AND OUR CONCERN HERE IS THIS WOULD ADD SIGNIFICANT TIME TO THE PROJECT AND COSTS, AND SO AT THIS TIME WE RECOMMEND THAT WE NOT CONSIDER THIS AND WE MOVE FORWARD. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS WE GREATLY AGREE WITH. IMPROVE TRANSPARENCY WITH REGULAR REPORTNG OF STATUS AND USE OF SIDEWALK TRUST FUND. CURRENTLY, WE DO NOT REPORT ON HOW MUCH MONEY IS COLLECTED AND HOW THESE ARE UTILIZED VERY WELL. IT'S DONE FOR THE CIP PROGRAM THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF DETAILS, AND WE DO NEED TO DO THAT. THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO DO AS WELL. WE NEED TO CAPTURE BETTER DATA FROM THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE THROUGH ACCELA AND THROUGH OUR PARTNERS IN DEVELOPMENT, GROWTH MANAGEMENT. IN-HOUSE, WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER PLAN FOR HOUSING. AS COUNCILMAN GUDES MENTIONED, GETTING CREATIVE, AND JUST IN GENERAL, I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MUCH SIDEWALKS WERE BUILT LAST YEAR. SO WE NEED TO WORK AT SEVERAL LEVELS. WE HAVE IDENTIFIED MANY AREAS THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE ON, INCLUDING INSPECTION, INCLUDING ACCELA, AND WE WILL BE WORKING ON IT. THE TIMELINE THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH IS SIX TO NINE MONTHS FOR THE THE ACCELA UPGRADE TO HAPPEN SO WE CAN INCORPORATE SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND MOVE ACCORDINGLY. WE ARE HAPPY TO REPORT ON WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WE HAVE MADE TO THE PROCESS WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME IDENTIFIED BY DEVELOPMENT REVIEW. SO WE ARE NOT TRANSPARENT TO THE COMMUNITY, WE ARE NOT TRANSPARENT TO OURSELVES. WE NEED TO FIX THIS AND I COMMIT TO IMPLEMENT THAT, COUNCIL. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE DISCUSSION THUS FAR. SO I WON'T REALLY DWELL INTO THE TOPIC, BUT I AM HAPPY AT THIS POINT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DISCUSSION PORTION. NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES YOUR PRESENTATION? >>VIK BHIDE: YES, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU, VIK. WHOEVER IS RUNNING THE SLIDE, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE? SO I THINK WE NEED TO REVIEW THIS CAREFULLY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GO OVER REALLY A CRITICAL POLICY ISSUE, AND MR. SHELBY REMIND US OFTEN THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS POLICY AS RELATED TO OUR CODE. WHAT MR. BHIDE SHOWED US EARLIER IS THAT 98% OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY CONSTRUCTION OPTED FOR THE IN LIEU PAYMENT. OKAY. 98% OF SINGLE-FAMILY CONSTRUCTION LAST YEAR AND THE NUMBERS I SAW UP THERE SAID SOMETHING LAKE, I THINK, 2200 -- OPTED FOR IN-LIEU VERSUS THE 35. SO THE OBVIOUSLY THOUGHT IT WAS A BETTER DEAL TO PAY THAT $29 PER LINEAR FOOT AS OPPOSED TO BUILDING -- >>VIK BHIDE: IF I -- >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M SORRY? >>VIK BHIDE: IF I COULD CLARIFY THE INFORMATION. IT WAS THE 35 PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE AND FOLLOWED THE PROCESS. THE 2021, OR 2021 CASES, THEY DID NOT FOLLOW THE PROCESS AND PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE IN ORDER TO GET THEIR CO. SO WE DON'T KNOW COMPLICATE WHAT HAPPENED WITH EACH OF THOSE CASES, BUT IT'S LIKELY THEY EITHER BUILT THE SIDEWALK, OR A SIDEWALK WAS NOT BUILT FOR SOME REASON. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY. SO THE WORDING WAS VERY, VERY CONFUSING THEN IN TERMS OF THAT GRAPH, IN TERMS OF IN-LOU VERSUS NOT IN LIEU. YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE 35 WENT FOR THE IN-LAW, AND THE OTHER PEOPLE DIDN'T. SO THEN THAT LEADS TO MY NEXT QUESTION, IS HOW MANY FOLKS SOUGHT AN EXCEPTION? HOW MANY FOLKS WERE WAIVED OUT OF THE 2200, HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE WAIVED FROM DOING -- FROM DOING -- I DON'T KNOW WHO IS TALKING. BUT FROM DOING THEIR SIDEWALKS THAT WERE REQUIRED. THEY WERE WAIVED BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CONNECTIVITY. IS THAT A POSSIBILITY UNDER THE CODE? YOU CAN ANSWER IN A SECOND. HEAR IS MY POINT, IS RIGHT NOW, THE CODE AND TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT PROVISIONS THAT I HAVE SEEN IN 22-103 SAYS, IF YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN THAT STREET AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALK TODAY, THEN WE DON'T REALLY CARE, THAT WE DON'T REALLY CARE, OKAY? AND THE REALITY IS, IN MANY, MANY PLACES AROUND THE CITY, INCLUDING LIKE LET'S SAY VIRGINIA PARK, OKAY, TEN YEARS AGO YOU COULD LOOK, AND THERE WAS NO DEMO, THERE WAS NO TEAR-DOWN, THERE WAS NO NOTHING. NOW HALF THE HOUSES HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN F.EACH ONE OF THOSE HAD A SIDEWALK PUT IN, WE WOULD ALMOST HAVE A CONNECTED SIDEWALK AND A CONNECTED STREET. THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN PAID BY THE NEW PEOPLE WHO BUILT THOSE BIG NEW HOUSES. BUT IT'S NOT JUST VIRGINIA PARK. NOW IT'S ALL OVER THE CITY THAT WE HAVE GOT KNOCK DOWNS, AND YET WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW THEM. YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU ARE JUST THE FIRST HOUSE ON THE STREET. WHEN THE FIRST HOUSE ON THE STREET OPENS WE KNOW THEY ARE NOTOINGO BE THE LAST, AND WE NEED TO FIX THAT, AND WE NEED TO FIX IT NOW AND WE NEED TO FIX IT IN THE CODE. AND THAT I THINK IS WHAT THE WALK/BIKE TAMPA PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TELLING US. VIK, GOING BACK TO MY QUESTION, I DON'T THINK WE IN A -- WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE 2200 PEOPLE. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM BUILT A SIDEWALK. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM ASKED FOR AN EXCEPTION. I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, YOU ARE NOT QUANTIFYING THAT. I SEE MS. FEELEY'S HAND IS UP, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SAW COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S HAND UP BEFORE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CHARLIE, YOUR MIKE IS OFF. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: UNMUTE YOURSELF. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THINK I >>ABBYE FEELEY: I WANT TO BE CLEAR. SO 2200, THOSE ARE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PERMITS. THERE ARE 35 THAT ELECTED OR REQUESTED THE IN-LIEU. THE OTHER 2200 BUILT THE SIDEWALK. >>JOHN DINGFELDE RIGHT. VIK CLARIFIED THAT AND I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. THERE WERE SEVERAL DOUBLE NEGATIVES IN THERE AND THAT'S WHY I GOT MESSED UP. >>ABBYE FEELEY: OKAY. 2200 -- 2200 INSTALLED. ONLY 35 OF THE TOTAL PERMITS ISSUED LAST YEAR REQUESTED THE IN-LIEU AND PAID THE IN-LAW. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: BUT WHAT YOU SAID IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT VIK SAID. VIK SAID OUT OF THE 2200 WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACTUALLY INSTALLED. HE SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THE 2200, IT IS EITHER YOU INSTALL OR YOU ARE ONE OF THE 35. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OR YOU ASKED FOR AN EXCEPTION. >>ABBYE FEELEY: NO. THE 35 ARE THE EXCEPTION. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE IN-LIEU EXCEPTION. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THEY HAVE TO PAY IN-LAW. THERE IS NO OTHER EXCEPTION. >>VIK BHIDE: I WOULD DEFER TO ABBEY ON THIS BECAUSE SHE WOULD NONMORE THAN I. >>ABBYE FEELEY: SO THEY DO 500, 13 PERMITS AND 5 PAID THE IN-LIEU. TALL REST ARE BUILDING THE SIDEWALKS. THERE IS NO, I DON'T BUILD A SIDEWALK AND I DON'T PAY. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY. I AM GOING TO LOOK AT THE CODE REAL QUICK AND GET BUICK ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE WAY I REMEMBER IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE? >>ABBYE FEELEY: THOSE SELECTED THAT WERE PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: VIK, I PRECTE THE CHEAT SHEET HERE, BUT I HAVE YOUR PRESENTATION UP HERE SO I AM GOING TO GO PAGE BY PAGE IF I COULD TO GET BACK TO IT BECAUSE IT'S SO COMPLICATED. IN GENERAL, I WANT TO SAY I AM VERY COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE SIDEWALKS AND THIS WE COMMITTEE OURSELVES TO HAVING SIDEWALKS. I THINK IT'S VERY DANGEROUS NOT TO HAVE SIDEWALKS. ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE GET IS THAT PEOPLE ARE SPEEDING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD, CUTTING THROUGH, OR TRYING TO CUT MacDILL OR BAYSHORE OR WHATEVER, AND THEY ARE SPEEDING THROUGH, AND KIDS ANDAMILS AT RISK, AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DALE WITH THAT. SO NUMBER ONE WAS THE REQUIRED SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION WITHIN TWO MILES OF THE SCHOOL. I HAVE HEARD REPORTS, I DON'T KNOW FIRST HAND, BUT I HAVE HEARD REPORTS WHERE THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED CROSSWALKS BECAUSE NOT A SIDEWALK AND SOME OF THE HOMEOWNERS SAID I DON'T WANT A SIDEWALK BECAUSE QUOTE-UNQUOTE, THOSE PEOPLE WALK IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM A CHOICE. IT'S ALL RIGHT, WE CAN BUILD A SIDEWALK WHEREVER WE WANT. I DON'T THINK THAT BECAUSE SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT CERTAIN PEOPLE WALKING IN FRONTFHEIR HOUSE THAT WE SHOULD REQUIRE KIDS AND FAMILIES TO NOT HAVE CROSSWALKS TO SAFELY CROSSROADS RIGHT NEXT TO THE SCHOOLS AND THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE TO WALK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. AND SO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR. WE HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION COMING UP ABOUT THAT, TOO. WHERE CONTINUOUS SIDEWALKS DO NOT EXIST, I THINK WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY SHOULD REMOVE THEM. IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS PRETTY NICE STREETS, MY KIDS AND I, WHEN THERE A DISINTE JOINTED SEGMENTS OF SIDEWALKS, BUT THE CARS AND TRUCKS GO THROUGH SO QUICKLY THAT IF I GET A CHANCE TO WALK ON A SIDEWALK, I AM GOING TO TAKE IT EVERY WILL TIME BECAUSE IT'S TOO DANGEROUS TO WALK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. EVEN IF WE ARE WALKING ON A SIDEWALK JUST IN FRONT OF TWO HOUSES THOSE TWO SIDEWALKS MIGHT SAVE SOMEBODY'S LIVES BECAUSE THERE'S WAY TOO MUCH TRAFFIC. I THINK WE SHOULD REQUIRE SIDEWALKS, EVEN IF IT'S NOT CONTIGUOUS. YOU SAID MAKING SURE THEY ALIGNED PROPERLY SO MAYBE THE.E'S SOME DESIGN PROCESS REMOVING SIDEWALKS, YOU TALKED ABOUT STAFF PROVIDING AN ALTERNATIVE WHERE DEVELOPERS COULD OFFER TO PAY FOR SIDEWALKS EQUAL LENGTH IN SCHOOL PRIORITY ZONES. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA BUT I WOULD RATHER FIRST MAKE SURE WE HAVE SIDEWALKS, EVEN IF THEY ARE THE FIRST ON THE STREET, LIKE COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SAID, THESE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER TIME WILL DEVELOP SIDEWALKS, AND WE NEED FOLKS WITH NEIGHBORHOOD AND PEOPLE IN COMMUNITIES WANT SIDEWALKS. AND SO WE NEED TO START SOMEWHERE AND BUILD THEM. THEN YOU GO TO DOUBLE THE IN LIEU FEE. IF IT'S $75, YOU SAID EARLIER THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE MANAGEMENT FEE AND WHATEVER. THAT MEANS THE REAL COST IS PROBABLY 100 TO $150 SO WE SHOULD CHARGE MORE THAN $75. WE SHOULD CHARGE THE ACTUAL COST WHICH IS PROBABLY 100 TO $125. WE SHOULD NOT LET ANYBODY PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE THAT'S NOT -- THE ACTUAL COST OF BUILDING A SIDEWALK SOMEWHERE ELSE. REMOVE EXEMPTIONS FOR PROXIMITY. MY STREET IS FULL OF GRAND OAKS. AND I WOULD NEVER PROPOSE TEARING THEM DOWN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS THERE SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN OPINION. I WISH WE COULD FIND A WAY TO GET AROUND THEM. SOMETHING. BUT IT HAS TO BE ADA ACCESSIBLE AND WE CAN'T ENDANGER TREES, AND BRANCHES GROW, THEY RIP UP THE SIDEWALKS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS. BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU ALL COULD FIGURE THAT OUT. REMOVE AN EXEMPTION, WATER DITCHES. I WOULD LIKE THE REQUIREMENT TO SAY THAT WHOEVER BUILD ON THOSE STREETS WOULD HAVE TO PAY WHATEVER THE CITY WOULD PAY TO RO THERE COULD BE A SIDEWALK. YOU AND I HAVE MET IN NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE WHERE THERE IS A STORMWATER, AND THEY NEED TO PUT A SIDEWALK ON TOP. COUNCILMEMBER MANISCALCO TALKED ABOUT THAT IN WEST TAMPA. THEY ARE REALLY DANGEROUS. AND SOMEWHERE WE HAVE TO START. IF THE CITY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY IT, SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO FIX THE PROBLEM. EXEMPTIONS MUST GO TO APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL, PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE ATTACH ON OUR AGENDA RIGHT NOW, BUT IF WE NEED TO SET UP HAIR THRESHOLD, IF NOT CITY COUNCIL, THERE NEED TO BE SOME HIGHER THRESHOLD, COST MAY BE PART OF IT, MAYBE SOME OTHER PROCESS TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO OPT OUT. IT SOUNDS LIKE MRS. FEELEY'S NUMBERS THAT IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A PROBLEM OF PEOPLE OPTING OUT BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE MANDATE SIDEWALKS. TRANSPARENCY THERE, WERE RESUMES THAT THIS FUND WAS RAIDED YEARS AGO FOR OTHER THINGS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAPPENED OR NOT. BUT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW, AND THIS IS ALL SIDES. THE PEOPLE, THE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE PAYING, THEY WANT TO KNOW THAT THE FUND ARE GOING WHERE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO GO SO I APPRIATEOUR COMMITMENT TO THAT. AND I WILL BE KUWAIT. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDING THAT I WAS THINKING OF WAS THE STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT MONEY. I KNOW IT'S DEDICATED TO STORMWATER WORK. BUT OUT OF THAT CAN WE HELP BUILD SIDEWALKS? AND ALSO WITH PIPES, WHICH IS A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT, WE ARE TEARING UP ROADS, GOING TO BE REPAVING ROADS, BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME MONEY TO PERHAPS COVER SOME OF THOSE DITCHES IN WEST TAMPA. AND UNLESS EVERYTHING IS GOING TO GO OVEBUDG, WEON'T KNOW, BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO THE BILLIONS WHERE WE SHOULD LOOK AT ALLOCATING IF POSSIBLE MONEY TOWARDS SIDEWALKS. ANYBODY ELSE? >>JOSEPH CITRO: LET THE VOICE OF REASON, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, GO FIRST. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF, SIR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU DON'T KNOW IF TIM VOICE OF REASON OR NOT, BUT I CAN SAY THIS. I AM NOT A LAWYER, EITHER. AND TICK HE WILL WITH YOU THING, ONCE YOU BUY SOMETHING, WHEN YOU BUY BOND, YOU HAVE TO SAY SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE BONDING IS, AND ONCE YOU DO THAT, YOU CAN ONLY USE THAT MONEY, ONLY FOR WHAT YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO USE IT FOR. AT THE END OF THE BONDING PROCESS, YOU HAVE SOME MONEY LEFT OVER, AND YOU HAVE FACILITATED THAT THE PUBLIC NOW IS PAYING FOR THE PIPES PROGRAM ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, EITHER IN THE WATER USE OR THE USE OF WATER BONDED HOWARD STERN PLANT AND HAVE A FEE THAT TAKES THAT FRONT PART, LOAD IT, AND WE PAY 47%, WE BONDED OUT 52% IF I RECALL. SO IN MY OPINION, AGAIN, THE OPINION FROM A STREET LAWYER, YOU CANNOT USE THAT MONEY UNLESS IT'S FOR SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU BONDED IT OUT FOR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND THAT'S WHAT I HAD MENTIONED, IF WE ARE NOT OVER BUDGET AND WHATNOT, IF THERE'S ANY MONEY LEFT OVER, BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT -- ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, IF I MAY, MY MAIN CONCERN IS GETTING CHILDREN OFF THE STREET THAT ARE WALKING TO SCHOOL, MOTHERS WITH BABY CARRIAGES. THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN. I DO NOT TALK ABOUT ANY OTHER PRE LOCAL OR OTHERWISE. FAMOUS POLITICIAN ONCE TOLD ME THAT EVERY POLITICIAN MAKES HIS DECISION WHAT THEY FEEL IS RATE AT THE TIME. THIS ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO HELP CONNECT OUR SIDEWALKS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SIDEWALKS THAT CANNOT BE CONNECTED. THE IRONY IN TODAY'S MEETING, AND PEOPLE CAN BEAT ME UP FOR THIS OR NOT, I AM A BELIEVER IN CLIMATIC CHANGE. BUT WE TALKED ABOUT CHAING, POLICY THAT WE HAD FOR SOMETHING THAT MAY OAR MAY NOT HAPPEN FIFTY YEARS FROM NOW. THE PROBLEMS WITH OUR SIDEWALK AND THE NEED FOR THEM, BECAUSE OF CHILDREN WALKING IN THE STREET, IS HERE TODAY, RIGHT NOW. THIS NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT. AND THE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. AGAIN, THINGS WERE DIFFERENT EARLIER. I AM NOT GOING TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. BUT WE NEED TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE INTO THIS. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO:COUNLMAN DINGFELDER, BRING IT IN FOR A LANDING. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL BRING IT IN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE MR. MICHELINI ON THE SECOND FLOOR WANTED TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HE'S WILLIAM COME TO EARLIER. THAT'S THE CHAIRMAN'S PREROGATIVE. IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE SIDEWALK, THE RELEVANT SIDEWALK CODE, 22-102 -- EXCUSE ME, 103, AND I LOOKED AT IT LAST NIGHT, AND I LOOKED AT IT AGAIN JUST NOW, AND THIS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY BEFORE. AND IF I AM WRONG, LEGAL CAN JUMP IN AND CORRECT ME OR ANYBODY ELSE. BUT 22-103-G-2 SAYS THE FOLLOWING: IN THE EVENT THAT IT IS DETERMINED THAT THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SIDEWALK IS "NOT PRACTICAL AS PROVIDED FOR IN SUBSECTION C OR D OF ABOVE AND THE CITY'S CONSTRUCTION SERVICES DIVISION AND THE PERMIT IS BEING ISSUED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION FUND SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED IN ANY OF THE FOLLOWING INSTANCES." AND THEN I JUMP DOWN T 2. AND 2 HAS THREE PRONGS. SO THAT SINGLE-FAMILY BUILDER HAS TO MAYK MEET THESE THREE PRONGS AND THEN HE CAN ASK CONSTRUCTION SERVICES TO WAIVE% THE FEE. THOSE THREE TONGS ARE AS FOLLOWED. THE PERMIT IS ISSUED FOR CONSTRUCTION OF SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME LOCATED ON A LOCAL ROAD. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. AND MOST SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ARE BUILT ON LOCAL ROADS. 2, THERE ARE NO SIDEWALKS ON THAT LOCAL ROAD ABUTTING THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE AS MEASURED LINEARLY ON THE SAME SE OF THE ROAD. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE. OKAY. SO IF YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN THAT STREET AND HE OR SHE IS THE FIRST BUILDER ON THAT STREET AND YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN THE STREET AND THERE'S SIDEWALKS ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ROAD, HE SATISFIES THE SECOND PRONG. AND THE THIRD PRONG SAYS, AND THE CITY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN RELATIVE TO SIDEWALKS DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY PLANS FOR FUNDING OR CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIDEWALKS ON THE ABUTTING LOCAL ROAD WITHIN THREE BLOCKS IN EITHER DIRECTION. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PLANTATE SPECIFICALLY.ROVEMENT- BUT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY UNDER G-2 IN OUR CODE FOR DEVELOPERS TO NOT PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE IF THERE'S NO OTHER SIDEWALK GOING ON UP AND DOWN THAT LOCAL ROAD. AND I DO BELIEVE MR. BHIDE AND MS. FEELEY THAT IF WE DIG DEEP WE ARE GOING TO FIND THAT CONSTRUCTION SERVICES HAS PROBABLY BEEN GIVING THAT WAIVER OKAY? I CAN'T SAY IT DEFINITIVELY BECAUSE I AM NOT IN THAT -- I AM NOT IN YOUR WORLD. BUT I WOULD SUSPECT THAT IF G-2 IS AVAILABLE THEN THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, OKAY? IF ANYBODY SAYS I AM WRONG ON MY INTERPRETATION OF THAT PROVISION, PLEASE SPEAK UP. OTHERWISE, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO CLOSE THAT LOOPHOLE. >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES, SO WE DO NOT CURRENTLY TRACK THAT THAT WAY. I AM SURE THERE ARE SOME -- FOR THE PRESENTATION OF THE 2200 AND THE 35. THE 35 ARE THE ONES WHO PAY FOR IT, THE IN-LIEU FEE, AND THAT THEY DID NOT MEET THAT THREE-PRONGS, OR MEANING POSSIBLY THAT THEY DID BUT THEY PAID THE IN-LIEU. SO WE WOULD NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS IN ORDER TO CLARIFY. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAD ANY WITH 2-1 WHICH IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. MOST OF THEM DID INSTALL RIGHT NOW, WE ARE NOT DIFFERENTIATING -- NOT TO GET INTO THAT, BUT WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE 2200 THAT WOULD QUALIFY. >> IF YOU CAN JUMP IN AND CONFIRM WITH COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WENT THROUGH, THERE ARE PROVISONS IN THE CODE NOW FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL WHERE YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE AND YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BUILD THE SIDEWALK. AND I WOULD ALSO, NOW THAT I REALLY WANTED TO QUICKLY CONFIRM WHAT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WAS CONCERNED ABOUT USING MONEY BONDED FOR STORMWATER, OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE PURPOSES, WE CANNOT USE THOSE DOLLARS FOR SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, I KNOW MR. MICHELINI HAD REQUESTED TO SPEAK. HE'S ON THE SECOND FLOOR. HE'S HEAR? >>ORLANDO GUDES: SINCE MORRIS HAS CLARIFIED, I GUESS MRS. FEELEY IS GOING TO BRING THAT INFORMATION BAC I THE FUTURE AND LOOK AND SEE IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT G-2. IS THAT CORRECT, MR. DINGFELDER? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AT LEAST G-2 YES. >>ABBYE FEELEY: AT THIS POINT WHAT I AM HEARING IS THAT I BELIEVE -- I MEAN, I'M RECALLING WHEN THAT MODIFICATION TO THE SIDEWALK CODE HAD CHANGED, BECAUSE I BELIEVE -- AND I HAVE TO GO AND LOOK -- I SAW IT WAS A MOTION OF COUNCILMAN MIRANDA THAT WAS OVER 10 OR 12 YEARS AGO THAT WE LKED AT THIS, BECAUSE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHEN IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE SIDEWALK TO ACTUALLY GO IN, WAS HAVING TO PAVE, AND THAT IS WHERE THAT CODE MODIFICATION CAME FROM, SOME YEARS, IF IT IS THE DESIRE NOW OF COUNCIL THAT THERE WOULD BE NO WAIVERS TO THE IN-LIEU FEE, EVEN THOUGH THERE HAVE BEEN THREE-PRONG SECTION OF THE CODE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT THAT, AND THEN MODIFY THAT, WHEN COUNCIL FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE IN-LIEU TO BE WAIVED AND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES THEY WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE THE QUOTE-UNQUOTE LAP HOLE YOU ARE REFERRING TO AND CAPTURE THE CIRCUMSTANCE FOR WHEN THAT FEE IS NOT PAID. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF YOU ARE LOOKING TORE FOR A MOTION TO KIND OF WRAP THIS UP, I WOULD BE GLAD TO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD. WAIT, LET'S HEAR FROM MR. MICHELINI FIRST AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A MION SO THE PUBLIC CAN BENEFIT. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >>STEVE MICHELINI: I'M HEAR ON BEHALF OF THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION. AND BASICALLY, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK LEFT TO BE DONE ON THIS, AND THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS, AS WE HAVE ALL DISCOVERED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS. AND WE'LL CONTINUE WORKING WITH THE STAFF OF THE CITY AND TRY TO HELP COME UP WITH AND CRAFT SOME LANGUAGE THAT MAKES SENSE AND IS FAIR TO EVERYONE INVOLVED. I THINK WE RECOGNIZE THAT SIDEWALKS ARE A PRAYER, AND TRYING TO HELP FACILITATE THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AROUND NEIGHBORHOOD, AND PARTICULARLY SCHOOLS. AND I THINK VIK HAS ALREADY POINTED OUT TO YOU THAT THERE ARE STRATEGIES TO BE EMPLOYED, AND WE WILL BE HAVING MORE DISCUSSIONS, I'M SURE, IN THE FUTURE. SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR ASSISTANCE, AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, OFF MOTION. >>JOHN DINGFELDE: OBVIOUSLY WE ARE NOT CHANGING ANY ORDINANCES TODAY, BUT I THINK STAFF IS ALWAYS APPRECIATIVE WHEN THEY GET THE SENSE OF WHERE THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GONE IN REGARD TO THESE ORDINANCES. AND SO WITH THAT, I WOULD ASK THAT STAFF AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WORK WITH MR. BHIDE ON HIS PROPOSED CODE MODIFICATION, THAT I CONCUR WITH HIS RECOMMENDATIONS GENERALLY, BUT I WOULD ADD SPECIFICALLY TO ELIMINATE THE LOOPHOLE THAT I NOTED AS RELATED TO G-2 OF 22-103 AND ANY OTHER PENTI SIMILAR LOOPHOLES THAT I MIGHT HAVE MISSED, BECAUSE THAT ORDINANCE IS NOT TOTALLY EASY TO READ, BUT CLEARLY G-2, AS MR. MASSEY AND MS. FEELEY INDICATED AS WELL, PROVIDES THAT OPPORTUNITY AND LAP HOLE. SO I WOULD ASK THAT TO BE ADDED TO THE LIST OF MR. BHIDE'S LIST, AND ALSO AS OFFERED MS. FEELEY, THAT WE OK AT THAT 2200 NUMBER FROM THE YEAR 2020 AND SEE IF WE CAN IDENTIFY HOW MANY SINGLE FAMILY PROJECTS DID NOT PAY THE IN-LIEU FEE AND DIDN'T BUILD A SIDEWALK. MAYBE IT'S SOMEWHERE IN ACCELA THAT WE CAN PULL THAT INFORMATION OUT. I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW ACCELA HAS GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION AND A LOT OF DETAILS, BUT DON'T KNOW WHAT'S INVOLVED IN THAT. BUT, IF POSSIBLE, OBVIOUSLY I AM NOT ASKING STAFF TO GO DOWN A LOOK AT 2200 SIDEWALKS INDIVIDUALLY, BUT IF THAT INFORMATION IS READILY AVAILABLE ON ACCELA, I THINK IT WOULD BE VALUABLE INFORMATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. DO YOU WANT TWO WEEKS, SIR? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, JUST A WEEK. [ LAUGHTER ] NO, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHATEVER STAFF WANTS, SIXTY DAYS OR WHATEVER. SIXTY, NINETY DAYS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU WANT TO INQUIRE OF STAFF? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? SOMETIME IN JULY? MAYBE JULY 29? OR DO YOU NEED MORE TIME? >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE MAY NEED MORE TIME -- >>VIK BHIDE: WE MAY NEED MORE TIME BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING IN THE ACCELA SOFTWARE CURRENTLY, AND THAT IS CRITICAL, AND ALSO DATA. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE INTENTION OF MY MOTIVE IS NOT TO WAIT FOR SIX TO NINE MONTHS FOR ACCELA TO BE AVAILABLE. I THINK WE CAN LIVE WITH THE FACT THAT THAT CODE PROVISION PROVIDES A LOOPHOLE, AND MAYBE IF WE CAN ASSUME THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IT. BUT IF NOT, EVEN IF THEY HADN'T TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IT WE SHOULD CLOSE THE LOOPHOLE. SO I WOULD OFFER TWO OR THREE MONTHS FOR STAFF AND LEGAL TO COME BACK AND IMPLEMENT THROUGH CODE CHANGES MR. BHIDE'S RECOMMENDATION AS WELL AS THE ELIMINATION OF THE G LAP HOLE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW ABOUT AUGUST 5th? A LITTLE OVER THREE MONTHS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S GOOD WITH ME. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A QUICK COMMENT. MR. DINGFELDER MADE KIND OF A LONG MOTION. BUT WHAT I WOULD ASK MR. BHIDE TO DO IS CONSIDER ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WE MADE, LIKE I FEEL THAT IT SHOULD BE WAY MORE STRICT THAN YOUR RECOMMENDATION, LISTEN TO ALL OF OUR COMMENTS, AND THEN TAKE THAT AND MAYBE MAKE SOME PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS, BUT THEN USE THAT AS A BASIS TO GO TO THE PUBC, NOT JUST RECOMMENDATIONS AS THEY ARE. I THINK HE KIND OF SAID THAT BUT I WANTED FROM MY POINT OF VIEW MAKE IT CLEAR. AND THEN COME BACK. THANK YOU. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO THE MODIFIED MOTION THEN WOULD BE MR. BHIDE'S RECOMMENDATION PLUS THE G-2 RECOMMENDATION AND/OR, STRONGER MEASURES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BILL? >>BILL CARLSON: YES. OR JUST SAYING INPUT OF COUNCIL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON. ALL IN FAV? ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CHAIR, MOTION PASSED, RIGHT? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT VIK -- CAN WE JUST PLEASE WORK ON SOME KIND OF IMPLEMENTATION TO GET THESE SIDEWALKS DONE CHEAPLY AS FAR AS MAYBE GETTING THE MANPOWER AND THESE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE THAT HELP YOUNG PEOPLE GET BACK ON THEIR FEET, GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN, AND I THINK WE CA HELP OUR CITIZENS OUT BY DOING SOME OF THESE SIDEWALKS, RATHER THAN TRYING TO OUTSOURCE THIS STUFF. THE CRAs ALSO AS WELL MAKING SURE WE GET SOMETHING DONE. SO WE CAN JUST WORK ON THAT, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ABBYE FEELEY. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU, CHAIR. JUST ONE CLARIFICATION, MAYBE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER. IT WOULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE SOMEONE TO GO THROUGH ALL 2200 OF THOSE RECORDS IN ACCELA BECAUSE IT IS NOT TCKED THAT WAY. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER, I DID DISCUSS WITH VIK BHIDE THE 500 FROM THIS YEAR. WE DID CHART SOMETHING IN ACCELA AND THEN OBVIOUSLY FROM THIS MOMENT FORWARD ANYTHING THAT'S TRACKING THAT'S COMING IN UP UNTIL THIS TIME VIK BRINGS THIS BACK TO YOU, WE WOULD BE MONITORING THOSE AS WELL. BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE -- I THINK WE CAN DO A RANDOM SAMPLE, BUT I THINK IF WE GO BACK THROUGH THE 500, WE COULD DO THAT FOROUND BE ABLE TO WORK BACK. CAN'T BE GOING BACK MANUALLY THROUGH 2200. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: COUNCIL GETS ACCUSED OF BURDENING STAFF AND I DON'T WANT TO BURDEN STAFF. IF YOU FEEL THAT IT'S NOT A BIG BURDEN TO LOOK AT THOSE 500, THEN I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE. BUT I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO BURDEN STAFF. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD. THANKS VERY MUCH. WE HAVE A VERY, VERY LONG NIGHT AHEAD OF US. GO AHEAD. YES SIR. >>BILL CARLSON: ONE LAST BRIEF THING. I JUST WANT TO TELL ANYBODY WATCHING, MR. BHIDE IS A VISIONARY IN TRANSPORTATION, AND HE HAS A BIG VISION WITH THE COMMUNITY. HE LOOKS AT BEST PRACTICES, AND HE HAS GREAT IDEAS ABOUT WHAT WHERE WE SHOULD GO FOR THE FUTURE F.WEIGHED THE MONEY TO DO EVERYTHING HE WANTS TO DO, THIS WOULD BE AN EVEN BETTER CITY. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HIM CREATIVELY TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I SECOND THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND MR. MASSEY, IF YOU CAN STAY ON REGARDING NEW BUSINESS. WHICH IS COMING UP NOW. OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES THE AGENDA. WE GO TO NEW BUSINESS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS. COUNCILMEMBER DINGFELDER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR NEW BUSINESS, SIR? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AM CHECKING WITH MY AIDE, BUT NO, I DON'T THINK OF ANYTHING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CITRO? >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO, SIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP THIS AFTERNOON. COMMISSIONER OVERMAN GAVE ME A CALL. THE COUNTY PASSED A NEW ORDINANCE WITHIN THE CITY. I TOLD HER THAT I WOULD READ IT. I LOOKED AT IT. ALL OF YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN A COPYF IT. DAY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IN REFERENCE TO IT. I MAKE A MOTION FOR LEGAL ORDINANCE BY HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY REGARDING THE REQUIRD NOTICE OF HOUSING RIGHTS AND RESOURCES OBTAINED THROUGH RENTERS BILL OF RATES, THE PROVISION OF SOURCE OF INCOME, DISCRIMINATION, AND NOTICE OF LATE FEES. AND I HAVE A FULL COPY HEAR FOR THE CLERK AS WELL, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT DAY WOULD YOU LIKE THAT? >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK THE OFFICE WOULD NEED? >>MORRIS MASSEY: WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED ACD STAFF, BUT WE CAN PROBABLY GET BACK TO YOU IN SIXTY DAYS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT WOULD BE FINE SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIXTY DAYS WOULD BE PUT US -- LET'S GET TO HOW ABOUT JULY 16th? >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT WOULD BE FINE. MR. MASSEY, IS IT GOOD FOR YOU, SIR? >>MORRIS MASSEY: I THINK THAT'S FINE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK THE COUNTY HAS PRETTY MUCH HAS IT DONE. SMALL CHANGE OR WHATEVER. >>MORRIS MASSEY: I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ENACTED AN ORDINANCE FOR RENTERS BILL OF RATES, SO I APPRECIAT IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN GUDES. SECOND COUNCILMAN CARLSON. IT'S GOING TO BE STAFF REPORTS FOR JULY 15th. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING SIR? >>BILL CARLSON: YES, QUICKLY, OUR FRIEND ARIZONA JENKINS GOT A STATE WADE AWARD A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, IT'S THE VALDEZ LEADERSHIP AND ADVOCACY AWARD, USUALLY ONLY GIVEN TO ONE DISABILITY ACTIVIST STATE WIDE, AND THEY THOUGHT HE WAS SO GREAT THAT THEY GAVE HIM . IF YOU ARE OKAY, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A COMMENDATION AND IDEALLY HAVE HIM COME AND SAY HELLO TO US. >> ABSOLUTELY. I JUST SAW HIM LAST NIGHT. >>BILL CARLSON: ITEM HIM WE CAN'T SMOKE HEAR. >> WHEN DO YOU WANT HIM TO COME? JULY 15th? THAT'S THE CITY OF TAMPA'S BIRTHDAY. >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU WANT TO DO JULY 15th? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL DO THAT UNDERSTOOD CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES. IF YOU ALL DON'T KNOW, ARIZONA JENKINS IS GNG T BE A TREAT. HE'S A GREAT PERSON. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN GUDES. ALL IN FAVOR? >>BILL CARLSON: JOSE MARTI PARK IN YBOR, THERE'S A LEGEND THAT IT'S OWNED BY THE CUBAN GOVERNMENT. I WENT, BUT THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN MANAGED BY A PRIVATE ENTITY SINCE 1983, AND A YEAR AGO BEFORE COVID, I ASKED CHIEF OF STAFF TO LOOK AT IT. HE PULLED TOGETHER 12 PEOPLE ON A PHONE CALL AND WE STARTED LAG INTO THE LAND USE OF IT AND WHO ACTUALLY OWNED I A ALL OF THOSE THINGS, BUT I GET DAILY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE UPKEEP OF THAT PARK. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PARK FOR THE CUBAN PEOPLE AND CUBAN AMERICANS, AND I THINK IT DESERVES BETTER UPKEEP AND IT SHOULD BE MANAGED BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY STAFF AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING THE PARKS DEPARTMENT MANAGE JOSE MARTI PARK AND COME BACK TO US ON OCTOBER 7th. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. >>BILL CARLSON: DURING STAFF REPORTS. REPORTS, OCTOBER 7th.UNDER SFF THE PARK IS SMALLER THAN THIS ROOM, SO IT'S NOT A BIG UNDERTAKING. SO HOPEFULLY THERE'S SUPPORT FOR THAT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN GUDES. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING SIR? PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SEE YOU AT 6:00. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. I HAVE NOTHING. SO 6:00, WE WILL BE BACK IN SESSION. AND WE MADE SURE THE NOTICE ADDED A CATTILY AS POSSIBLE FOR THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ARE ADJOURNED. ARE WE IN RECESS TILL 6 OR ADJOURNED? >>MARTIN SHELBY: ADJOURNED FOR THIS MEETING AND RECONVENE AT 6:00. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL RECONVENE AT 6:00.