[0:04] John Mulder: are as we think about our financial management plan we also include a more specific uh presentation on some changes in the um fire department as we might move from a um uh non-separate non-profit to more toward a city Department with a paid on call staff and then Chief Craig's provided um you with uh annual report for the police department um that end report if not well it's in the agenda packet which is online but at some point time we'll also get that on our website thank you uh public discussion this is a time for individuals to address the council about any item not on the agenda we ask that you limit your time to three [0:51] Wayne Boucher: minutes per person we will be having public discussion for all items on the agenda that will be voted on this evening there are two that we won't and those are the first readings of ordinances where there won't be public discussion because we won't be voting on them this evening is there anyone that wishes to discuss any item not on the agenda with the council this evening if so please state your name and address either online or in Chambers if you're in Chambers you can step forward to the point is there any public discussion this evening from anyone on items not on the agenda [1:42] Wayne Boucher: so last opportunity for public discussion if anyone wishes to discuss anything with the council please state your name and address we'll close public discussion and move to the consent agenda this is minutes for the February 21st 21st 2023 council meeting and accounts payable do we have a motion for the consent agenda [2:05] Andy Hjelle: make a motion to approve [2:07] Joe Peterson: second [2:08] Wayne Boucher: motion by Council Hjelle second by councilman Peterson roll call please counselor Hjelle [2:14] Andy Hjelle: aye [2:15] Wayne Boucher: Council LeBlanc [2:16] Brian LeBlanc: aye [2:17] Wayne Boucher: councilor Peterson [2:18] Joe Peterson: aye [2:19] Wayne Boucher: counselor Geissler [2:20] John Geissler: aye [2:21] Wayne Boucher: mayor Boucher aye ordinances [2:29] Wayne Boucher: uh first is ordinance 2023-02 an ordinance amending a hermitone court of ordinances by adding a new section 405 sale of tetrahydroconanimate all products this is the first reading next is ordinance 2023-03 an ordinance amending the Hermantown Court of ordinances section 270 fee schedule this is also the first reading next are resolutions resolution 2022-131 resolution accepting an amended proposal from Northland Consulting Engineers for Engineering Services for design and [3:14] Wayne Boucher: construct engineering for the sanitary sewer trunk line spur from Oak Ridge Drive to the trunk line under the city Engineers contract with the city do we have emotion or an amended motion [3:26] John Geissler: well after much discussion I would like to uh amend the motion to extend the water and sewer as we've discussed and look at the need for additional right-of-way if needed so extend the water and sewer and not not build orchestrom road all the way through as once proposed but to rather create a dead end with a hammerhead the [4:01] John Geissler: road design would be an Urban Design with sidewalk and the Hammerhead would be running about approximately in the triangular shaped piece of property that the city already currently owns [4:17] Andy Hjelle: second [4:18] Wayne Boucher: motion by counselor Geissler second by councilor Hjelle Mr Mulder do you have anything [4:24] John Mulder: sure and just to kind of give some history on this um back in August of 2022 we looked initially looked at um extending this um sewer from the end of Oak Ridge and where it would connect with Peyton Acres [4:48] John Mulder: down directly to the east down to the trunk line in section 24. as we began that process um we um became aware that the residents along orchestrom Road north of Anderson Road were interested in sanitary sewer and so we then shifted to um try to connect that lift station in that general area and go south to the trunk line in Anderson Road um so that was kind of the the change of why you have an amendment um proposal and at that time we said well if you're going to build um [5:34] John Mulder: uh water and sewer then you should uh really covered up with a road it was our recommendation because at some point in time we're going to want to see um internal development in section 24 you need to build some kind of roads in between in there um based upon the discussions with um the council we're now looking at simply building the road to that triangle piece and at some point in time the road may go further um depending upon what kind of development if and when that happens [5:58] Wayne Boucher: thank you do you have any comments from Council [6:02] Andy Hjelle: um I'm curious if we can split the road in the city and Sewer I don't I mean I think the sewer and the water is necessary I think to grow there's a lot of opportunity to put that City the [6:21] Andy Hjelle: water and the sewer through there I just don't see the need for the sidewalk um you know there's not sidewalk on Anderson Road so where are people walking from to begin with um I just don't know if it's money will spend for us to do that I know where there's talk about erosion control is there erosion on that street as it is I'm not sure yeah so I mean if it's not if we can put the street back exactly the way it is and put water and sewer there I think that's the best course of action for us I mean you still could put a turnaround there but if we're going to put the trail through there it seems like we could do that at that time [6:59] Wayne Boucher: The City attorney can correct me if I'm wrong but the motion right now does include the road with the curb and gutter and that's the motion we either have to approve or vote down if it's voted down another motion could come forward in a different form but um right now the motion on the motion on the table doesn't allow anything other than what's in the motion what we're talking about [7:34] Joe Peterson: can we manage to take the sidewalk out [7:37] Wayne Boucher: well we did amend the motion now so what's on the table is what we have to either say yes or no to the only way we could change what's on the table right now is to say no and then come up with a new motion is that correct Mr Mulder? [7:53] John Mulder: I deferred it that the council president [7:55] Wayne Boucher: yes you you're doing so we have the motion we have right now we're at a point where we have to say yes or no and so we say no yeah the people that Prevail can bring it forward with a new [8:13] Joe Peterson: is there a way we could have had this discussion before we brought the motion up to put the sidewalk [8:18] John Geissler: ran out of time at least the pre agenda [8:21] Joe Peterson: ran out of time now correct me if I'm wrong if we don't put in a role or you know laptop or whatever we have to find that so funding source somewhere else down the road if they want to put that in because right now [8:38] Joe Peterson: that's where we're getting funding because we're putting in a sewer whatever road we put in is funded now uh there will be allowances if no if no blacktop was put in there's still allowances for gravel coming and to be clear if there is further development in that area that we're theoretically accessing with this road down the line there will already be blacktop access from Oak Ridge Drive [9:06] Joe Peterson: I I think the the original intent was is if another develop if a developer that owns that property further comes in they would extend what we're doing now or come in from Oak Ridge they would find their own path but uh so we're the [9:25] Joe Peterson: city's paying for 300 feet of blacktop and road that wouldn't be needed because we can already access it off of Oak Ridge Drive [9:37] Wayne Boucher: well we have we the road needs to be there to service the homes that are there now well I mean yeah but we you know the they already have a road right are we are we spending money that needs to be spent by blacktopping that road I I'm just personally I'm in favor of putting you know we're only putting in a short distance of the road but I am in favor of putting in the best quality product that we can put in and it's is similar to other areas of the community where there are developments I think that uh carbon gutter and sidewalk or blacktop and gravel shoulder are the two ways to go but the carbon gutter does you've got a short dead end [10:24] Wayne Boucher: role it just does make it look nice yeah it is a higher quality product than just gravel or gravel and yeah so Black Ops shoulder right away goes from 66 feet down to 40 something for um just blacktop Road versus blacktop with curb and gutter [10:43] Paul Senst: all roads are 66. 66. [10:48] Joe Peterson: so what what's the width right like what how much are we encroaching on these people's yards and their property with the sidewalk versus without a sidewalk [11:04] David (City Engineer): it would all be within the right-of-way I'll be within the 66. David what's the black top width that we have required on loans so okay um mayor and Council I'm hearing a lot of discussion I'd like [11:10] David (City Engineer): to try to um fill in some blanks maybe answer some questions as as we go along here so one thing I want to clarify is the city of Hermantown has three Road standards right now and I'm going to list them in hierarchy of um you know that maybe the the most cost to the least cost so what we call an urban section that's 28 feet wide curb gutter sidewalk on one side was storm sewer the the second section we have is a rural potuminous section which is 28 feet wide that's 24 feet of bituminous and two foot gravel shoulders on both sides that's what we built the Big Junction with a couple years ago and it has ditches on both sides the third typical [11:57] David (City Engineer): section we have is a rural section that is a gravel or class 5 section and it's the the identical to the bituminous section with the exception there's no blackout it's still 28 feet wide and it's but it's gravel and has ditches so my recommendation is city engineer is we apply one of those roadway standards to the road that we we're going to construct [12:28] John Geissler: my motion was for urban correct [12:30] David (City Engineer): and so um one of the questions I heard was why why should we build a sidewalk so I I'd kind of like to maybe stab at answering that [12:44] David (City Engineer): one is the adjacent development Peyton Acres the road section they are building is an urban section with curb Gunner and sidewalk in our road Improvement plan we're planning to redo Oak Ridge Drive which that's a rural bituminous section and we plan to reconstruct that to a Urban section with curb Gutter and sidewalk so by implementing the sidewalk here you'd be connecting a network of sidewalk then you get up the stubner road you know Maple Grove you can get to the a big part of the city from that piece um the other thing I'm hearing is okay [13:29] David (City Engineer): where we want to the the resolution the amended resolution is to include the water and sewer so when I originally studied this I kind of laid out four options in the feasibility study two of which went to the trunk line that we built in um you know 2018-19 and two of them were to come down Oakridge terminal so the two options coming down okerstrom are going to the north around Mr probette's property and then coming back through Northwoods and straight down the the section line where orchestraum the second option was coming down the property line between Lund and prevents that is a lot shorter option and if we're not building the road [14:16] David (City Engineer): that we should have some consideration for that alignment it's you know it's it's hundreds of feet shorter and thousands and tens of thousands of dollars cheaper um also I'm um as a city engineer and um looking at this for many years and different studies it's it's my strong opinion and recommendation that this road does go up to the Northwoods parcel and connect to Peyton acres and the reason being is this is one of the key access points to opening the development opportunities for Section 24. so with that I'll let [15:04] David (City Engineer): your discussion to continue and if you have any other questions let me I'm happy to answer them [15:10] Joe Peterson: um in your opinion I guess what's what's the benefit of accessing section 24 off of Wilkerson Road versus accessing out the Oak Ridge Drive [15:19] David (City Engineer): well they're um part of it is it's it's a shorter distance from if you're commuting from Anderson Road up to Maple Grove it's a shorter commute rather than going through um Bishop Woods or Peyton Acres the second probably um most compelling reason in my opinion is the elimination of a dead end it provides a better police and fire [15:51] David (City Engineer): protection and uh Chief crace has routinely said that the dead end prop developments rarely get patrolled because it's it's not convenient for them to um you know drive through it and turn around and come back so those those are the the reasons I would I would State as to um why I'm recommending that being connected and I guess the the other reason too is we have we have one opportunity here to use sales tax dollars to to make this happen otherwise um If This Were happened in the future High uh probability that there would be [16:36] David (City Engineer): you know an assessment against the adjacent properties [16:51] John Geissler: if something else happens in the future we've already gotten that part done and if something went further from this in the future it would be in that quality because of what it is and the type of laws we want to build in that area and this part was at least already be done and paid for without assessments for the people that live there but we would be stopping it at a hammerhead [17:15] Joe Peterson: I guess if we if we really do think that there's going to be future development down there I mean how come we're having the conversation about Dead ending it there as opposed to pushing the pavement through to Oak Ridge Drive I mean I feel like we're just pushing that pushing that decision down the line to appease of some people [17:34] Wayne Boucher: there's more of a what if on that portion there's a [17:38] John Geissler: there are people that own that property that haven't got any concrete plans for development right now and the idea of extending it all the way to Oak Ridge and connecting them with uh paint makers was give them an opportunity to make plans for their further development if that part fits in let's let them bear the financial cost of that in the future but we've already born it in our part that we're obligated to build and maintain those are just my thoughts on it [18:07] David (City Engineer): mayor and Council I'd also like to add that um in any scenario that we're discussing tonight there there will be easements [18:24] David (City Engineer): and or right away that will have to acquire whether it's for Road or utilities [18:34] Brian LeBlanc: David I had a question follow up um you had talked about the two scenarios the one we approved before running the just not even bothering with orchestrum Road just running it right down to the trunk and you said that's shorter distance than going down Orchestra no shorter correct okay so we are saving like the pipe and then also allowing those residents who don't have sewer the ability to pick up sewer [19:02] David (City Engineer): correct [19:03] Brian LeBlanc: okay so to me it still makes sense to run it down that way I mean we have people there that need septic systems replacement or sewer lines [19:10] Andy Hjelle: yes I I'll just make my position clear I think it should look like [19:20] Andy Hjelle: Junction roads up to that triangle I think makes the most sense because I mean we want to draw comparisons to the developments with gutter and sidewalk we talk about Anderson or Stephen Road having got her inside off we talk about Oak Ridge Drive and Peyton Acres haven't got her in sidewalk but this road you know with what we have on the table here doesn't doesn't connect to either those any of that [19:51] Wayne Boucher: but I think we would also be looking at Gutter and sidewalk if and when we redo Anderson Anderson something probably more like ugster does between your head and Maple Grove than it does now [20:00] Andy Hjelle: well and we have a potential for it we [20:07] Andy Hjelle: talked about the fajita meeting you know the thing will cite some other development that could include possible sidewalks Hermantown roads be nice to get him down Anderson Road it would be nice to connect if we could from Haines to okerstrom to pick up that development again that's there's a lot of what-ifs but it would be nice to have that and that's my mind is that if we're going to do it we should do it with the curb Gutter and sidewalk and the other thing too as far as um uh erosion there's probably not much erosion now because it's gravel versus you put in the paved Road um I think it'll be better easier to control the water with curb butter and [20:52] Andy Hjelle: sidewalk then then just ditches and I got ditches and after more wet dish every other week so um but so I would I would propose I mean I we could everybody's can vote however they want but my I would like to my motion is stance yeah [21:20] Councilor: perfect Ellen everything kind of with John I agree with stopping it and I agree if we're gonna do the road might as well to the urban standard that we're leaning on I do get your point where it doesn't make sense right now but eventually it will and then we'd have to go back and potentially redo it anyway so [21:38] Wayne Boucher: it's my stance everybody said but if we do then we'll open up public discussion any members of the public that wish to comment or talk to counsel about this can approach to Podium if you're in the chambers if you're online you can just simply start with your name and address is there any public discussion [22:06] Wayne Boucher: if if there is public discussion in Chambers please step forward to the podium and state your name and address for the record thank you [22:15] Dave Miller: hi everybody my name is Dave Miller I'm 4793 Anderson Road and just a point of clarification the Hammerhead that you're talking about where would that be in relation to the to the orchestra wrote it originally the talk was running it on up north of the the line where the uh or the existing uh pump station is but it sounds like it's going to be short of that now we could plan it out to you on [22:52] John Geissler: a map it's harder to describe yeah uh yeah counselor Geissler it's about it's about it's about half of what it would have been it's uh there's my scribble map I'm working on calling it up there's a there's a triangle I think there's a property yeah that's the one that I was thinking about it's kind of across from Mr Sunquest Pond there yeah [23:19] Wayne Boucher: and Mr Wicklund is trying to pull it up to put it on the monitors [23:22] Wayne Boucher: right folks uh we we have if you need to discuss something it's with the council at this time okay that is the map uh that triangular section that you see city of Hermantown is where we're proposing that the turnaround be made the Hammerhead go into so that there wouldn't be right away needed for the Hammerhead since the city already owns it there may be some right-of-way needed for sewer north of that spot [24:03] Wayne Boucher: we'll give everyone a few moments to digest that and then we'll ask if there's any other comments questions or concerns if anyone in Chambers wishes to speak to the council please approach the podium if anyone is online please start with your name and address [24:30] Wayne Boucher: okay one more opportunity for public comment [24:39] Robin Johnson: thank you hi name and address Robin Johnson 3909 old Christian Road and I was just wondering is that going to be blacktop that triangle that turnaround will be like a parking lot behind our garage I believe it would be like uh an l okay personally if it's going to go through I would rather just go straight up I don't like the idea of a turnaround right there behind their house that kind of came on board knowing that thinking that we're gonna do the road to the end of up to them property line and I like that idea I mean I it took a [25:27] Robin Johnson: while to get to that point but understanding that City sales tax is here and available yeah I'm just thinking people parking there and going through locks I could see that happening it could become a parking lot I would rather see it just roll and stop further we are on we want the sewer we were the first people to ask about the sewer so we're the ones that started but I've lived there 38 years we had to put in our own water line okay if we could get help with the sewer line with the road and I know it's hard for a lot of people [26:13] Robin Johnson: and I'm sorry it's hard for us too thank you [26:22] Wayne Boucher: thank you is there any other public discussion [26:30] Wayne Boucher: if there's no other public discussion we'll close that period um with no other comments from Council I'd ask Mr Mulder [26:37] John Mulder: just one comment and please understand what you're doing here is approving the engineering contract or the design of this work the finals plans and specifications will come back to you for approval at a later point in time and then we'll ask you to approve those plans and authorize advertisement but if you approve that then we will um get bids on that and award the contract so I'm gonna one clarificate clarification we can adjust those plans at a later date we're just approving this part you're approving the contract you have to approve the plans on a later date okay [27:17] Brian LeBlanc: I have one more question um um to bring up Mrs Johnson's point there about parking on on that turnaround and chief Chris is not here I guess but uh John do you know of any issues of any other similar dead end turnarounds or uh that we might have an issue with people parking [27:47] John Mulder: I do not recall in 14 years here where I've had where I've heard people say oh there's for instance there's a um here's here's the example um on Dana Road South of Morris Thomas um we extended that road several years ago and there is a hammerhead there I have never heard of complaint or of parking or activity there I've never heard that I'm not saying it didn't happen but I've never heard that yeah okay so and it's close to a trail there conceivably yeah I mean dead ends on the park um there is probably an informal trail from that Hammerhead down into the park experience but like you say I'm not saying it [28:33] John Mulder: hasn't happened yeah but we've not I don't I've never heard of a complaint there [28:38] Wayne Boucher: I I also if we have a hammer head if we have any kind of problems of parking on the Hammerhead the right of way we can make that an old parking Zone and have it posted you can reinforced on actions [29:05] David (City Engineer): mayor and Council if I could add so um the other thing I'm not sure if the council and uh and the residents are aware of on just west of that triangular parcel is a stormwater Pond that treats stormwater from Oak Ridge Drive so that hammer head is going to serve as an access for us to [29:19] David (City Engineer): um access and clean out that storm water pond so it would be my recommendation that we for sure no part that and there may likely be a gate at the end of that um turnaround so nobody drives down to the pond okay um that's something that you could put in your engineering [29:50] David (City Engineer): yes and the other thing I would add or slash offer is if you if you approve this um resolution this evening I would recommend that we have another public meeting with um at least with the residents so we know [30:06] David (City Engineer): what we're designing I don't want to bring the plans to a 90 and then say no this doesn't work that I I need direction as to where the sewer and water is going to go is it going to go down the property line or is it between um privet and Lund or is it going to go up around in the Northwest parcel that's that's the direction that I'm looking for [30:37] Wayne Boucher: thank you any other comments from console we have a little call [30:41] Wayne Boucher: Councilor Hjelle [30:42] Andy Hjelle: aye [30:43] Wayne Boucher: Geissler [30:44] John Geissler: aye [30:45] Wayne Boucher: LeBlanc [30:46] Brian LeBlanc: aye [30:47] Wayne Boucher: Peterson [30:48] Joe Peterson: aye [30:49] Wayne Boucher: mayor Boucher aye next is resolution [30:51] Wayne Boucher: 2023-22. resolution receiving bids and awarding contract for Street removal Improvement number 543 lindahl Road Bridge removal in the amount of seventy six thousand dollars you have a motion [31:07] John Geissler: motion to approve [31:09] Joe Peterson: second [31:10] Wayne Boucher: motion by Geissler second by Peterson Mr Mulder [31:14] John Mulder: so this is the a word in the bed um for that bridge removal as you recall at last meeting we approved the easements for the hammerheads on um the two dead ends that will be created the bridge has been closed for a couple of years um there's been no concern from residents about that issue so um this will as soon as the weather's permits will um have that bridge removed thank you [31:47] Wayne Boucher: any questions or comments from Council [31:51] John Geissler: awfully close bits [31:54] Wayne Boucher: yeah I saw that and we're creating a couple of hammerheads here with no parking side there'll be an experiment to see if people park down there well anybody that wants to fish in that Creek [32:01] Wayne Boucher: any other comments from Coliseum is there any public input on resolution 2023-22 if someone is in Chambers please step forward and state your name and address if you're online simply state your name and address [32:21] Wayne Boucher: any public input on the resolution for Road removal on the Lindell Road Bridge [32:33] Wayne Boucher: last opportunity for public input on resolution 2023-22 . roll call please Peterson [32:41] Joe Peterson: aye [32:42] Wayne Boucher: geissler [32:43] John Geissler: aye [32:44] Wayne Boucher: hjelle [32:45] Andy Hjelle: aye [32:46] Wayne Boucher: membership hi resolution 2023-23 resolution approving final plans and specifications and ordering advertisement for bids for Street Improvement project numbers 538 Richard Avenue Lindgren Road Stevie drive and a frontage road and Sam's way do we have a motion [33:14] Joe Peterson: motion to approved [33:16] Andy Hjelle: second [33:17] Wayne Boucher: motion by counselor Peterson second by Councilor Hjelle Mr Mulder [33:20] John Mulder: so this is um [33:20] John Mulder: a street Improvement project that we've been working on we originally planned on doing this in 22 um but um it just took a little longer than we had hoped um but we are now ready to proceed in 2023 we have a local Road Improvement grant for this um that will fund it in part the rest of it will be funded by various fund and um some assessments of the businesses that area but this will basically redo all of this um streets in between Haynes and loberg north of Maple Grove um up to Market Street so um all of the what we kind of call now the Hermantown Marketplace will have new streets um in in that area thank you [34:06] John Geissler: any comments or questions from Council Mr Mayor I have to say my standard uh item and I probably should [34:06] John Geissler: have up above except for above it was uh an amended proposal and I think I already sent it on the main proposal but as far as uh item 23 uh my son works for north and Consulting Engineers and the result of this contract has no Financial benefit for he or I thank you [34:33] Wayne Boucher: and Mr Mulder this also will build some new roadway um it would allow access to commercial property closer to Sam's and is currently developed [34:41] John Mulder: this will um um we currently have Lindgren Road there but we will also build we will extend Richard to Lindgren so we were building a new road on Richard to connect [34:52] John Mulder: Lindgren and Richard will connect then Lindgren over to Maple Grove thank you [34:57] Wayne Boucher: any other comments from console is there any public input on this resolution any public input on resolution 2023-23 [35:21] Wayne Boucher: last opportunity for public input on this road Improvement resolution roll call please counselor Peterson [35:32] Joe Peterson: aye [35:33] Wayne Boucher: Geissler [35:34] John Geissler: aye [35:35] Wayne Boucher: Hjelle [35:36] Andy Hjelle: aye [35:37] Wayne Boucher: LeBlanc [35:38] Brian LeBlanc: aye [35:39] Wayne Boucher: remember Shea hi resolution 2023-24 resolution approving preliminary and final plaid of stebner woods and imposing conditions on the final plat do we have a motion [35:58] John Geissler: a proportion to approve [36:03] Brian LeBlanc: second [36:04] Wayne Boucher: motion by counselor Geissler second by counselor LeBlanc Mr Mulder [36:08] John Mulder: uh we'll let Eric Johnson um represent this [36:12] Eric Johnson: great thank you very much Mr Mayor and members of the council um this is the uh eight acre property [36:12] Eric Johnson: that's on the east side of 4938 Hermantown road which is Bethany Cemetery uh for your call back in October uh this eight acres of land was subdivided and rezoned from P public to R3 for the purpose of Bethany Cemetery to Market that for potential residential development um since then the applicant Titan Premier LLC Uh Kevin coopless who is in the audience this evening has since purchased the property and is proposing an eight lot subdivision that meets the R3 requirements each one of these Lots is greater than a half acre in size and they also have a greater than 100 feet of lot Frontage so there is water and sanitary sewer available in stebner Road uh the applicant would be working then with the [36:54] Eric Johnson: city engineer and Public Works director on the best way to provide connections uh through that roadway uh there's no infrastructure new infrastructure being proposed other than these individual connections for each home thank you [37:11] Wayne Boucher: any questions or comments from Council [37:14] Joe Peterson: I have a question sure we're not talking about putting in any New Roads right they're connecting to existing stuff yeah um the Lots meet our standards currently [37:26] Eric Johnson: that is correct the R3 standards [37:31] Joe Peterson: I guess I'm wondering why this needs to be voted on by us I mean they're just subdividing a piece of property right [37:37] Eric Johnson: because the city council has to approve all plots [37:40] Joe Peterson: okay so if somebody owned a five acre chunk [37:40] Joe Peterson: of property one to split it into two two and a half acres we would have to vote on that [37:51] Eric Johnson: well that's not that that's a subdivision as opposed to this is a plat so there's a distinction there are some instances where um a subdue in a property could be done administratively but when we do a plot when it comes to the city council okay just some depth perfect yep [38:11] Brian LeBlanc: any other questions or comments that's two comments this plot gets registered with the county then correct [38:21] Eric Johnson: correct yes [38:22] Brian LeBlanc: okay and then my only other comment was I think it's a great use uh I don't think that the cemetery people think probably didn't think it would smell so quick I'm glad um and I'm hopeful that this will create some affordable in quotes lots for people since you know roads are there [38:26] Brian LeBlanc: utilities are there I'm hoping that this will create some you know some uh possible uh opportunities for people who might not be able to afford a lot in a brand new development so I think it's going to be a good for the community thank you [38:43] Wayne Boucher: anything else from Council is there any public input on this resolution I would be caught down here is there any public input on resolution 2023-24 [39:08] Wayne Boucher: any public input on the final plot of stebner woods roll call please answer Geissler [39:18] John Geissler: aye [39:19] Wayne Boucher: Hjelle [39:20] Andy Hjelle: aye [39:21] Wayne Boucher: LeBlanc [39:22] Brian LeBlanc: aye [39:23] Wayne Boucher: Peterson [39:24] Joe Peterson: aye [39:25] Wayne Boucher: mayor Boucher aye resolution 2023-25. [39:27] Wayne Boucher: resolution approving an extension of the final planned unit development plan for hangwell's redevelopment to have a motion [39:36] Joe Peterson: motion to approve [39:38] John Geissler: second [39:39] Wayne Boucher: motion from counselor Peterson second by counselor Geissler Mr Mulder should we have Mr Johnson sure address this Eric [40:02] Eric Johnson: uh great thank you again uh this is originally back in November of 2020 at 26 Lots PUD preliminary and final had been approved by the city council uh since that time this has been extended uh in the past and the applicant is looking to extend it for one more additional time period here this new extension would run through March of 2024 and this gives the [40:13] Eric Johnson: applicant a little bit additional time to speak to potential Builders of the property for Lots as well as infrastructure thank you [40:24] Wayne Boucher: any questions or comments from counsel [40:27] Brian LeBlanc: how many uh how many building sites are in there I guess two-part question how many acres is it how many building sites are in there we know that [40:37] Eric Johnson: I mean I believe it's plus or minus about 8.5 acres and there's 26 lots that have been approved for that it came under a planned unit development uh at that time essentially small lot residential this is on the Northern portion of the English property that a butts Anderson Road [40:51] Wayne Boucher: so we're talking about the potential to build 20 plus homes versus roughly 16 right half acre sizes [41:00] Eric Johnson: but that is correct [41:08] Brian LeBlanc: any other comments or questions does the setback from the road change or did this help to meet that [41:18] Eric Johnson: okay we're playing unit development uh basically all lot sizes a lot Dimensions setbacks Etc are individual per each planned unit development so in this case since they are small a lot said yes there are custom essentially setbacks associated with this development that are different than a standard R3 [41:40] Wayne Boucher: oh this was already approved in 2020 we're just extending [41:50] Wayne Boucher: anything else for any public input on this resolution [42:01] Wayne Boucher: any public input on resolution 2023-25 [42:11] Wayne Boucher: all right for any public input on the extension of the planned unit development plan for the Hang walls Redevelopment roll call please Councilor Hjelle [42:24] Andy Hjelle: aye [42:25] Wayne Boucher: LeBlanc [42:26] Brian LeBlanc: aye [42:27] Wayne Boucher: Peterson [42:28] Joe Peterson: aye [42:29] Wayne Boucher: Geissler [42:30] John Geissler: aye [42:31] Wayne Boucher: mayor Boucher aye resolution 2023-26 resolution approving a special use permit for construction of a two-family home in an R3 residential zoning District do we have a motion [42:47] Andy Hjelle: a motion to approve [42:52] Joe Peterson: second [42:53] Wayne Boucher: motion by counselor Hjelle second by counselor Peterson Mr Mulder do we want to hear it let's give Eric one more time Mr Johnson [43:00] Eric Johnson: thank you I'll go for the trifecta thank you uh this was uh originally heard in September of 2022 uh the application was by sumis Construction Inc uh that was approved at that time uh it took the Sumas group a number of months to finally close on this property and when they did they inadvertently put it under the title of the owner's name rather than the company's name in this case it's Jesse Jesse and Amanda Sumas as opposed to Sumas construction so what this essentially is doing is cleaning up the special use permit to reflect the sumases as the applicants and owners rather than Sue misconstruction and in [43:43] Eric Johnson: that case we can file the paperwork with St Louis County thank you [43:48] Wayne Boucher: any questions or comments [43:51] Brian LeBlanc: yeah just to be clear that this is a situation where it's like because it was two different names the county won't record it [44:03] Wayne Boucher: any questions from Council ready public input on this resolution [44:24] Wayne Boucher: any public input on resolution 2023-26 [44:24] Wayne Boucher: is there any public input on the resolution in front of the council at this time roll call please [44:32] Councilor: aye [44:37] Wayne Boucher: next is resolution 2023-27 resolution approving utility and infrastructure director job description and position do we have a motion [44:53] John Geissler: promotion to approved [44:56] Brian LeBlanc: second [44:57] Wayne Boucher: motion by counselor Geissler second by counselor LeBlanc Mr Mulder [45:04] John Mulder: so this is positioned as a long time in coming uh we've been looking at this for over a year and a half um proposed is a utility and infrastructure director that would do a lot of the administrative work relative to the road approvement plan the stormwater uh utility and then just kind of planning for some long-term improvements for water and sewer as well thank you [45:25] Brian LeBlanc: any questions or comments from Council I had a counselor um the this person will probably need to drive some or would we dip they just get paid mileage for their incentive incidental driving [45:45] John Mulder: yeah we pay a mileage [45:46] Brian LeBlanc: okay and then how would you plan to advertise the position [45:49] John Mulder: so we'll advertise in the Tribune the league of Minnesota cities we'll use indeed and we also um will probably reach out to like University of Minnesota Duluth the engineering program thanks [46:04] Andy Hjelle: calls for hjelle you got a question yeah how come it wasn't filled before just didn't have the right candidates or at the time um we were down to about two or three candidates [46:10] John Mulder: um and we just thought was like well let's take a second look at this is is this the right position um is this the right mix of things um just in terms of how it coordinates between Public Works the engineer Community Development and then so that's why we also had Baker Tilly do kind of an organizational review to say it's like what's the right mix of positions here and they recommended that we fill this go ahead and fill it so we're going to make another run of this [46:44] Brian LeBlanc: and it's you that makes the final decision on the candidate [46:48] John Mulder: typically on uh the directors we'll bring back a recommendation to the city council for formal approval [46:56] Wayne Boucher: and it in the past it's the compensation and the job description and the expectations didn't produce a large pool of desirable candidate [47:04] John Mulder: part of part of this issue part of that whole issue is is just the change in the employment sector from you know 2021 until now um you've seen inflation you've seen the quiet quitting by people people leaving the workforce and so it's like the recruitment pool is down for almost every position across the you know that the city is hiring so again it'll be interesting to see what we have here I think we can get um I'm confident we can get a good candidate that can grow into this position I mean I don't think we're going to get somebody who's got you know 10 years of experience but I do think we [47:43] John Mulder: can find somebody who's got the necessary technical skills that can grow into the position [47:48] Brian LeBlanc: do you think the pay is competitive [47:51] John Mulder: hard to say a little bit with this position it's it is comparable to all of our other uh department heads or Public Works director and our community development director um the way we have our our pay system set up is that they're in the same grade but this one will start at a step one versus you know if you've been here five years you'll be making more but it's at least in the same grade [48:21] Wayne Boucher: any other questions is there any public comment on this resolution [48:29] Wayne Boucher: any public comment on resolution 2023-27. [48:40] Wayne Boucher: any public comment on the resolution for the job description for utility infrastructure director roll call please counselor Peterson [48:51] Joe Peterson: aye [48:52] Wayne Boucher: Geissler [48:53] John Geissler: aye [48:54] Wayne Boucher: Hjelle [48:55] Andy Hjelle: aye [48:56] Wayne Boucher: LeBlanc [48:57] Brian LeBlanc: aye [48:58] Wayne Boucher: mayor Boucher aye resolution 2023-28 resolution authorizing the Director of Finance and administration to amend selected 2022 budgets and make transfers [49:15] Councilor: so moved [49:17] Councilor: second [49:18] Wayne Boucher: motion by Councilor Hjelle, second by Councilor Peterson [49:34] John Mulder: Kevin Orme can uh explain these better than I or maybe you can we'll give him a chance [49:38] Kevin Orme: thank you Mr Mayor members the council periodically we bring before you uh budgeted transfers or amendments and transfers between funds usually once sometimes twice a year and uh so this before you tonight is for uh 2022 like uh the resolution says to amend certain line item budget items and to transfers as well any questions feel free to uh to ask [50:18] Wayne Boucher: any questions or comments from console hearing that we'll open it up for public discussion is there any public discussion on this resolution [50:25] Wayne Boucher: any public discussion on resolution 2023-28 [50:41] Wayne Boucher: last public comments or discussion on the resolution to allow budget transfers roll call please counselor Geissler [50:49] John Geissler: aye [50:50] Wayne Boucher: hjelle [50:51] Andy Hjelle: aye [50:52] Wayne Boucher: LeBlanc [50:53] Brian LeBlanc: aye [50:54] Wayne Boucher: Peterson [50:55] Joe Peterson: aye [50:56] Wayne Boucher: mayor Boucher aye resolution 2023-29 resolution awarding contract for John Deere 1025r Sub-Compact utility tractor with implements for twenty nine thousand four hundred dollars and 20 cents which includes applicable taxes and fees to have a motion [51:12] Andy Hjelle: make a motion to approve [51:16] John Geissler: all second [51:17] Wayne Boucher: motion by Councilor Hjelle to have a second by Councilor Geissler Mr Mulder [51:24] John Mulder: this is for our utility tractor for kind of the um this building and this land here um it will replace the uh more that we've had for a number of years it'll also allow for putting a brush on and a snow blower so we can use it during the winter as well it's similar if you've seen it to the um utility tractor that the wellness center uses and it stays here and they're going to be here yeah thank you [51:57] Wayne Boucher: any questions or comments from Council any public input on resolution 2023-29 [52:04] Wayne Boucher: is there any public input on this resolution [52:12] Wayne Boucher: last opportunity for public input on the resolution to purchase a Sub-Compact utility tractor and implements yeah we'll call please counselor hjelle [52:21] Andy Hjelle: aye [52:22] Wayne Boucher: LeBlanc [52:23] Brian LeBlanc: aye [52:24] Wayne Boucher: Peterson [52:25] Joe Peterson: aye [52:26] Wayne Boucher: Geissler [52:27] John Geissler: aye [52:28] Wayne Boucher: mayor Boucher aye motion passes next is a motion to move to closed session after which we will move back to open session to adjourn [52:33] Joe Peterson: mushroom crew [52:35] Brian LeBlanc: second [52:36] Wayne Boucher: motion by counselor Peterson second by Councilor LeBlanc all in favor say aye