>>COUN. PEÑA: WELCOME, EVERYONE. TODAY IS APRIL 20th, 2026. THE 9th MEETING OF THE 27th COUNCIL WILL COME TO ORDER. ALL COUNCILORS PRESENT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COUNCILOR BACA WHO IS GOING TO BE JOINING US SHORTLY VIA ZOOM. AND COUNCILOR TELLES SHOULD BE SHORTLY AS WELL. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE PLEDGE. AND A MOMENT OF SILENCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. [ SERE RECITE [ RECITING PLEDGE IN SPANISH ]. >>COUN. PEÑA: YOU'RE DOING GOOD. OKAY. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. CIVIC PLAZA PARKING PASSES ARE PROVIDED FOR MEMBERS OF PUBLIC. YOU CAN OBTAIN A PARKING PASS FROM THE COUNCIL STAFF AT THE TABLE NEAR THE CHAMBER ENTRANCE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CITY STAFF AND THE MEDIA HAVE THE ABILITY TO VIEW THIS ON FORPLATFORMS, GOVTV, CHANNEL 16, THE GOVTV WEBSITE, YOUTUBE AND ZOOM. THE LIVE STREAMS CAN BE ACCESSED FROM SMART PHONES, TABLETS AND COMPUTERS. THIS MEETING IS CLOSED CAPTIONED AND YOU MAY ENABLE THE SERVICES AT THIS TIME. THE VIDEO RECORDING OF THIS AND ALL PAST COUNCIL MEETINGS WILL REMAIN VIEWABLE ON THE CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE. COUNCIL STAFF IS AVAILABLE IF YOU NEED HELP FINDING THE VIDEOS ONLINE CALL. 505-768-3100 DURING BUSINESS HOURS. IF YOU WANT TONIGHT'S PROCEEDINGS TO BE AS CIVIL AS POSSIBLE AND RESPECTFUL AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE DO NOT MAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS AND NO APPLAUDING OR SNAPPING OR ANY OTHER OUTBURSTS DURING THE MEETING. THE PRESIDENT WILL PROVIDE ONE WARNING TO ANYONE CAUSING DISRUPTION. UPON THE SECOND AND CONTINUED DISRUPTION OR CONTINUED DISRUPTION THAT INDIVIDUAL WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE THE CHAMBERS AND IF NECESSARY SECURITY WILL BE ASKED TO ESCORT THAT PERSON OUT OF THE CHAMBERS. SUCH REMOVAL FROM THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS WILL BE EFFECTIVE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE MEETING. IF CONTINUED DISRUPTION OCCURS THE PRESIDENT MAY RECESS THE MEETING UNTIL ORDER IS RESTORED AND IF NECESSARY MAY CLEAR THE CHAMBERS OF PERSONS PARTICIPATING IN THE DISTURBANCE. THE MEETING WILL GO SMOOTHER IF WE'RE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL GO TO ADMINISTRATION QUESTION AND ANSWER. ANY QUESTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. VICE PRESIDENT. MY QUESTIONS ARE FOR ARTS AND CULTURE. JUST WANT AN UPDATE ON THE BANNERS IN DISTRICT SIX THAT WERE ASKED TO BE REDONE. HAVEN'T RECEIVED AN UPDATE. I JUST WANTED TO CHECK ON THAT. I DON'T SEE ANYONE FROM ARTS AND CULTURE. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I'LL GET THAT ANSWER FOR YOU BEFORE THE END OF THE MEETING. >>COUN. ROGERS: JUST TO REMIND THE PUBLIC, WE HAD A CONSTITUENT THAT CAME AND DID PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS AMAZING. AND MADE SOME ANALOGIES TO THE BANNERS AND HOW THEY WERE PRINTED. IT DOESN'T BEG THE BEST FOR THE ROUTE 66. AND THEN, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR NOW. THANK YOU. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. VICE PRESIDENT. A COUPLE QUESTIONS. ONE, I THINK IT'S FOR MR. WHELAN. WE PASSED THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION LAST DECEMBER UNANIMOUSLY TO GET 1.5% ONE-TIME PAYMENT FOR STAFF. THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVE THOSE YET. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON GETTING THOSE OUT IN THIS WEEK'S PAY HP -- PAYCHECK. >> YES, THE 1% HAS ALREADY BEEN WORKED. WE'RE FINALIZING THE REMAINDER THAT GOES TO THOSE ABOVE THE $64,000. THAT SHOULD BE COMPLETED WEDNESDAY OR THURSDAY THIS WEEK TO GO INTO THE NEXT CHECK. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: JUST TO CLARIFY -- 1.5%. >> EXCUSE ME? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: 1.5% CORRECT? >> 1%. $64,000 AND BELOW, AND THE REMAINDER GOES TO THE $64,000 AND ABOVE. HOWEVER THAT IS SPLIT OUT. IT'S LESS THAN 1%. THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS WE'RE FINALIZING. THOSE ARE THE MOUs WITH THE UNION BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO AGREE WITH A ONE-TIME PAYMENT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THE FOLKS THAT NEED IT THE MOST, THE FOLKS THAT MAKE LESS THAN $64,000 A YEAR SHOULD GET THEIR PAYMENT -- [ INAUDIBLE ]. >> IT WOULD BE TWO WEEKS FROM THIS FRIDAY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IT WILL BE IN MAY? >> IT WOULD BE THE FIRST WEEK OF MAY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: OKAY. THAT'S A VERY LONG DELAY FOR FOLKS THAT NEED THAT MONEY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE GET IT OUT. AND LET THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT IS COMING. I FEEL A LITTLE FRUSTRATED BY THAT. AND MY NEXT QUESTION, I'M NOT SURE WHO THIS IS FOR. BACK IN JUNE OF 2023, WE PASSED THE BE FRIENDLY RESOLUTION UNANIMOUSLY THROUGH THIS BODY. IN THE LEGISLATION, IT REQUIRES AN ANNUAL REPORT. I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT ANNUAL REPORT FOR A VERY LONG TIME. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT. CAN I GET AN ESTIMATE OF WHEN WE WILL GET THAT ANNUAL REPORT ON ALL OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING TO CHECK POLLINATORS IN OUR CITY? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I'LL LOOK INTO THAT AND GET WITH OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT AND SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF WE CAN CAN GET THAT REPORT FOR YOU. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. WHELAN. THANK YOU, BUT IF YOU REMEMBER WE ALREADY MET ON THIS WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT AND THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN ANSWER AND THERE HASN'T BEEN AN ANSWER. I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY COME UP WITH A TIMELINE FOR WHICH I'LL GET AN ANSWER ON THIS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. VICE PRESIDENT. MY QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO START WITH DIRECTOR KEENER FROM TRANSIT. HI DIRECTOR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT POSITIONS. HOW MANY POSITIONS ARE YOU FUNDED FOR THIS YEAR DEPARTMEN WISE. >> I'M FUNDED FOR 540 POSITIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 26. >>COUN. GROUT: HOW MANY? >> 540. >>ING. >>COUN. GROUT: HOW MANY ARE VACANT? -- HOW MANY ARE FOR MOTOR COACH OPERATORS? >> THOSE POSITIONS FOR DRIVERS -- I'VE GOT 81 MOTOR COACH OPERATORS AND 11 FOR VAN CHAUFFEURS THAT ARE VACANT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. HOW MANY VACANT POSITIONS FOR MECHANICS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, BETWEEN MY LEAD TO MECHANIC HELPERS I HAVE 20 POSITIONS VACANT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THAT'S A LOT. HOW MANY -- HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE TRANSIT HAS BEEN FULLY STAFFED WITH MOTOR COACH DRIVERS AND MECHANICS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, NOT DURING MY TENURE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO 2017-2018. >>COUN. GROUT: A VERY LONG TIME AGO. ARE THERE ANY POSITIONS THAT HAVE EVER BEEN DIFFICULT TO FILL? I THINK I KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS. I WANTED TO HEAR FROM YOU. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, YES A LOT OF OUR POSITIONS ARE DIFFICULT TO FILL. OUR MOTOR COACH OPERATORS, SUN VAN CHAUFFEURS ARE EASIER TO FILL. WE GOT IT DOWN TO 8% VACANCY RATE THIS YEAR. I'VE GOT TEN IN TRANSITION. THAT WILL GET US BACK DOWN. OUR MECHANICS OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE DIFFICULT TO FILL INTO CURRENTLY. WE HAD SUCCESS AT OUR MECHANIC HELPERS THAT WERE OVERFILLED IN THAT POSITION. WE'VE STARTED SEEING PEOPLE WITH LESS EXPERIENCE THAN WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BRING IN AND START PROMOTING UP. VEHICLE SERVICERS THAT'S ANOTHER POSITION THAT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO HIRE AS WELL. WE'VE GOT 11 VACANCIES IN THAT REALM. AND WE'VE GOT SOME POSITIONS ON THE PLANNING SIDE THAT HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT TO FILL AS WELL AS ACCOUNTANT IS ANOTHER POSITION THAT'S DIFFICULT TO FILL ON THE FINANCE SIDE. >>COUN. GROUT: I'M SORRY IT'S SO HARD TO FIND PEOPLE. SINCE I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, I WANT TO ENCOURAGE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC REALM WATCHING AND NEEDS A JOB, THE CITY IS HIRING. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF POSITIONS THAT ARE GOOD POSITIONS. THEY COME WITH BENEFITS. I THINK -- WE NEED THESE POSITIONS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER POSITIONS -- I ALREADY GOT THAT. YOUR BUDGET NARRATIVE FOR FISCAL YEAR 27 SAYS YOU CUT 52 POSITIONS. ARE ALL THOSE POSITIONS VACANT RIGHT NOW? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT YES. ALL THOSE POSITIONS ARE VACANT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. MAY I? I HAVE ONE MORE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES, MA'AM. GO RIGHT AHEAD. >>COUN. GROUT: THESE QUESTIONS ARE FOR SOLID WASTE. >> COUNCIL PRED >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, WE HAVE OUR SOLID WASTE DIRECTOR COMING UP. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. WHELAN. HI DIRECTOR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. A CONSTITUENT THIS WEEKEND, I WAS AT A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, AND HE WENT TO ONE OF THE CONVENIENCE CENTERS TO DROP OFF OLD GASOLINE. AND WHEN HE GOT THERE, HE HAD TO GIVE UP HIS CANS. BROUGHT FIVE DIFFERENT GAS CANS, HALF FULL, AND AT THE CONVENIENCE CENTER THEY SAID YOU HAVE TO LEAVE THE CANS THERE. HE HAD TO GO OUT FROM THE FACILITY AND DUMP IT INTO ONE AND COMBINE THEM ALL. HE ENDED UP LEAVING ONE OF HIS CANS. MY QUESTION IS WHY DO THEY HAVE TO DO THAT? DOES IT HAVE TO DO DEPERMITTING? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, WE DO NOT HAVE STORAGE FACILITY FOR THE GAS INDIVIDUALLY. >>COUN. GROUT: DO WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH ANYBODY? >> WE DO. >>COUN. GROUT: TELL ME ABOUT THE CONTRACT. >> WE CAN TAKE IT TO OUR HAZARDOUS WASTE PROGRAM WE UTILIZE. I CAN GET YOU THE DATES AND TIMES. I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. WE DO HAVE A FACILITY. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. THE CONCERN IS IF WE MAKE IT REALLY DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO DISPOSE OF HAZARDOUS WASTE PROPERLY, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE IT AND DUMP IT IN THE OPEN SPACE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S EASY. THE CONSTITUENT NOTICED SOMEBODY ELSE WHO WAS HAVING TO DO THE SAME THING AND THEY WENT OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY. THIS IS SOMEWHERE ON GIRARD. THEY WENT DOWN THE ROAD AND DUMP EVERYTHING AND HAD TO GO BACK IN. I WANT TO MAKE SURE DUMPING HAZARDOUS WASTE IS DONE PROPERLY. WE ALL KNOW THE NEED FOR THAT. PEOPLE CAN ALSO TAKE USED OIL TO THE FACILITIES AS WELL? >> COUNCILOR GROUT, THE FACILITY THAT'S YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS ON GIRARD. THAT IS A HAZARDOUS WASTE PROGRAM. THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TAKE ALL OF THE CANS THERE. REGARDLESS OF THE CANS. THEY'RE LICENSED AND PERMITTED TO TAKE THAT. >>COUN. GROUT: THIS CONSTITUENT REPORTED HE COULDN'T DUMP HIS LITTLE CANS INTO A BIG CAN AT THE FACILITY BECAUSE HE DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT PERMITTING. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT I'LL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: COUNCILOR ROGERS. YOU'RE GOOD? COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MR. VICE PRESIDENT. JUST SOME COMMENTS. QUESTIONS FOR OUR CFO. I KNOW THIS IS NOT THE -- I KNOW THIS IS NOT A BUDGET HEARING. WE'LL BE DOING THOSE. IT SEEMS TO BE A REAL MASSIVE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THE MEDIA HAS BEEN REPORTING ABOUT OUR PROPOSED BUDGET ABOUT WHAT YOUR PROPOSED BUDGET -- AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING. RIGHT NOW, OUR STAFF -- WE'RE SPENDING TIME REVIEWING YOUR PROPOSED BUDGET. CERTAINLY, LISTENING TO WHAT'S BEING REPORTED AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE MEDIA REGURGITATED YOUR PRESS RELEASES AND WHAT YOU'RE PUTTING OUT ON THE BUDGET AND HOW YOU'RE CHARACTERIZING IT. BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS PROPOSED BUDGET, THE CITY'S NOT CUTTING $35 MILLION IN REOCCURRING FUNDS IN OUR OPERATIONS. THAT'S CERTAINLY WHAT HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED THAT THE MAYOR PRESENTED A BUDGET THAT CUTS $35 MILLION. IT'S NOT THE OPERATIONS THAT IS DECREASING CORRECT? IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN THAT -- THESE ARE NOT RECURRING OPERATIONAL FUNDS THAT ARE DECREASING. I'M LOOKING FOR THE DECREASE IN REVENUE. WE'RE CUTTING $35 MILLION OUT OF THE -- GOING WHERE'S THE DECREASE IN REVENUE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I THINK I HEARD A COUPLE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS IN THERE. I WILL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM. THERE IS, OVERALL, IN THE BUDGET FOR THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FY27 THERE'S AN OVERALL DECREASE OF $35 MILLION. ACTUALLY, I WILL BE SENDING OUT OUR POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT I SHARED WITH OUR MEETINGS WITH COUNCILORS THAT INDICATE THE NET DECREASE OF $35 MILLION. I THINK WHAT YOU MIGHT BE REFERRING TO IS THE GENERAL FUND. AND THE GENERAL FUND DID GO UP, BUT AGAIN, DURING THE COUNCIL MEETING WE HAD WITH THE INDIVIDUAL COUNCILORS, WE DESCRIBED THE PROCESS THAT WAS USED WITH THE BUDGET. THERE WAS AN EXERCISE THAT WAS DONE WITH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT THEIR CURRENT BUDGET AND FIND WAYS IN WHICH THEY COULD CUT CERTAIN COSTS THAT WERE HAPPENING. WHETHER IT WAS THEY DECIDED THEY COULD BRING THE WORK INTERNALLY OR IF IT WAS A SITUATION WHERE THEY WERE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY ON OVERTIME WHERE THEY COULD REALLOCATE THE WAY THEY WERE USING INDIVIDUAL -- BUT THERE WERE ACTUALLY CUTS THAT WERE MADE. AND THERE WAS A REALLOCATION OF SOME OF THOSE CUTS TO PRIORITY AREAS OR AREAS WHERE THERE HAD BEEN CLEAR BUDGET NEEDS IN YEARS PAST. I'LL USE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF -- WE'VE HAD DEPARTMENTS WHERE THEY WERE USING VACANCY SAVINGS TO COVER OPERATIONS. THIS YEAR, WE TRIED REALLY HARD TO CLEAN THAT UP AND RIGHT SIZE THE BUDGET. WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST THERE HAD BEEN PRUDENT PROGRAM SAVINGS THAT WAS USED TO ESSENTIALLY SHOW A DECREASE ON THE BUDGET. WE DEACTIVATED A TON OF POSITIONS. THERE WAS A LOT OF MOVEMENT THAT HAD HAPPENED. SO, IT WASN'T JUST A BASIC APPROACH TO THINGS. THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WENT INTO THE PROPOSED BUDGET. SO, I WILL SHARE THOSE SLIDES WITH EVERYBODY AND I KNOW WE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO MEET WITH YOU, COUNCILOR LEWIS. WE WERE HOPING TO DO THAT TODAY. WHEN YOU GET THOSE SLIDES, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME AND I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH THEM. >>COUN. LEWIS: I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THOSE. WE'LL RESCHEDULE THAT MEETING. I HAD TO CANCEL THAT MEETING SCHEDULED FOR TODAY. THE OTHER COUNCILORS HAD MEETINGS WITH YOU AND OUR STAFF. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WENT THROUGH AN EXERCISE, BUT -- LOOKING AT WHERE DEPARTMENTS COULD CUT. THE PROPOSAL DOESN'T SHOW THAT. THE PROPOSAL DOESN'T SHOW ANY TYPE OF OVERALL REDUCTION IN OPERATIONAL SPENDING. IN FACT, THE PROPOSED SPENDING FOR FY26 IS $5.9 MILLION MORE THAN LAST YEAR IN OPERATIONS. OVERALL, THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME DEPARTMENTS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME DEPARTMENTS THAT DECREASES. AND OTHERS THAT INCREASED. SO, OVERALL, OPERATIONS DIDN'T GO DOWN AT ALL. IN FACT, IT WENT UP $6 MILLION IN OPERATIONAL SPENDING. THAT'S WHAT THE PROPOAL SHOWS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A $35 MILLION REDUCTION IN SPENDING IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND IT'S NOT OPERATIONAL FUNDS. IT'S -- IN FACT, WE'RE SHOWING -- YOU'RE SHOWING A $20 MILLION INCREASE IN REVENUE. AND REDUCTION OF -- INCREASE OF $5.9 MILLION IN OPERATIONAL SPENDING. I'M NOT TELLING YOU TO CUT ANYTHING. I'M JUST SAYING LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT IT. IT SEEMS LIKE -- LET'S BE MORE CLEAR ABOUT IT. AND WE CAN TALK -- WE MIGHT HAVE RIGHT SIZED THINGS. I COMMEND YOU ALL FOR THAT. FOR YEARS, WE BUDGET FOR HUNDREDS OF EMPLOYEES THAT WE'RE NEVER GOING TO HIRE. SO, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD START TO -- WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO HIRE 100% POSITIONS IN TRANSIT OR ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. YET, WE BUDGET IT FOR IT EVERY YEAR. AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A CUT. THAT'S NOT A REDUCTION IN SPENDING. THAT'S JUST SIMPLY SAYING LET'S DON'T BUDGET FOR THOSE BECAUSE WE ANY WE'RE NOT GOING TO HIRE THEM ANYWAY LIKE WE DIDN'T HIRE LAST YEAR. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, A LOT OF THIS DISCUSSION YOU'RE RAISING WAS TALKED ABOUT IN THESE MEETINGS WITH CITY COUNCILORS. WE HAD SOME SLIDES ON SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHERE WE DID PUT SOME OF THE FUNDING. SO, AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE SLIDES AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. >>COUN. LEWIS: THIS IS JUST GENERAL QUESTIONS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THOSE SLIDES ARE GOING TO SHOW ME THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU CAN ANSWER RIGHT NOW. YOU AGREE WE'RE SPENDING $5.9 MILLION MORE IN OPERATIONS IN 2027 OVER 2026? >> I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE THE SLIDES IN FRONT OF ME. FORGIVE ME I I DON'T REMEMBER EVERYTHING ON THAT. LAST YEAR WE FLAGGED THE STATE INFUSED MONEY INTO THE TRIPLE-H BUDGET. WE AS A CITY WERE REQUIRED TO COME UP WITH PLAN TO REPLACE THAT. THAT WAS SOMETHING WE HAD TO ABSORB IN THE BUDGET. WE'RE LOOKING AT GIVING A PROPOSED RAISE, CITYWIDE TO EMPLOYEES. THAT ALSO HAS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET. IN DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR, THERE WAS A PLAN TO LEAVE FUND BALANCE. THERE'S A WHOLE HOST -- >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT MAKES SENSE. YOU'RE PUTTING MORE IN THERE FOR EMPLOYEES. GREAT. THERE'S A FUND BALANCE. AGAIN, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THERE'S $5.9 MILLION MORE PROPOSED IN SPENDING THAN LAST YEAR. AND THERE'S A $21 MILLION INCREASE IN REVENUE OVER LAST YEAR. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, AS FAR AS -- YOU JUST DESCRIBED REALLY WELL ONE-TIME MONEY. THE STATE RECEIVED ONE-TIME MONEY AND WE BUILT MASSIVE PROGRAMS. WE DON'T HAVE ONE-TIME MONEY ANYMORE. THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ALL THE TIME. WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE REAL CLEAR ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT CITY GOVERNMENT IS GROWING. AND THERE'S -- ALSO, BE CLEAR ABOUT FACT WE'RE NOT CUTTING SERVICES. YOU'RE NOT CUTTING ANY SERVICES. IN FACT, YOU'RE INCREASING IT BY $5.9 MILLION. SO, I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION OVER -- THESE ARE NOT REAL CUT. THESE ARE NOT SERVICE CUTS. THE REASON WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE YOU'RE ALSO SHOWING A MASSIVE GAP IN FUTURE REVENUES AND SPENDING. WE'RE PREDICTING -- AND YOU'RE PREDICTING, MASSIVE DEFICITS TO OUR BUDGET AND SPENDING. SPENDING AND REVENUE -- IN THE COMING YEARS. IF WE DON'T DEAL WITH THAT NOW, THIS YEAR, THEN WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT IN THE FOLLOWING YEARS. ALL THIS TO REALLY CHANGE THE DISCUSSION THAT LEADS TO WHAT IS OUR PLAN MOVING FORWARD FOR FIXING THAT? BECAUSE DOING AWAY WITH EXPECTED ONE-TIME REVENUE DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. JUST SAYING, LOOK, WE CUT $35 MILLION. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T. WE DIDN'T CUT $35 MILLION. WE CUT $35 MILLION -- SOME OF IT IN ONE-TIME REVENUES AND THERE'S LOT OF TRANSFERS AND REALLOCATIONS. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SPENDING TIME WITH YOU. THAT'S WHAT THE PROCESS IS. AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT SOME GENERAL QUESTIONS THAT ARE COMMUNICATED THAT I JUST DON'T SEE IN HERE. THE FACT IS, THERE'S NO $35 MILLION IN REAL CUTS. AND THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL PLAN TO FIX THE LONG-TERM IMBALANCE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MOVING FORWARD? YOU AND I CAN MEET AND TALK ABOUT THE DETDETAILS. I DON'T THINK IT CHANGES WHAT'S BEING COMMUNICATED WITH THE BUDGET OVERALL. IT'S THE REALITY OF THE BUDGET. WHAT I ASK IS WE GIVE A TRUE CLARITY INTO WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IF WE WERE TO PASS THIS BUDGET AS PROPOSED RIGHT NOW. AND THE SITUATION WE WOULD BE IN DOWN THE ROAD. THANKS, MADAM PRESIDENT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, ONE LAST THING. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS. IT ISN'T ONE-TIME COST. THE COST THAT THE STATE GAVE US ARE CONTINUING OPERATIONS WITH TRIPLE-H. THESE ARE CONTINUING OPERATINGING COSTS. THE OTHER THING IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING COMPENSATION FOR EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ONGOING. THEY'RE NOT ONE-TIME COSTS. AND THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS NET INCREASE. HAD WE NOT GONE IN AND DONE THE HARD WORK TO LOOK AT THE DEPARTMENTS AND MAKE CUTS AND MAKE EFFICIENCIES, YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN A LARGER INCREASE ON THE FUND BALANCE. AGAIN, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS REAL QUICK AND WE CAN MOVE ON. THERE'S AN INCREASE IN POSITIONS TO FUND SERVICES FOR ACS. THERE'S A PLAN TO PUT INTO PLACE DIVERSION PROGRAMS SO WE ARE NOT PENALIZING NON-VIOLENT OFFENDERS. THERE'S LOT TO THIS BUDGET. TO TRY TO SUMMARIZE IT IN FIVE OR SEVEN MINUTES IS REALLY CHALLENGING. I WELCOME TO HAVE A LARGER CONVERSATION. >>COUN. LEWIS: YEAH, GOOD JOB. MADAM PRESIDENT, GOOD JOB ON GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS. THE FACT IS -- SOME DEPARTMENTS GOT A MASSIVE INCREASE IN FUNDING, YEAR OVER YEAR. THE FACT IS, YOU CAN SAY ALL YOU WANT WE CUT MONEY, BUT WE HAVE $21 MILLION MORE THAN LAST YEAR IN REVENUE. AND YOU'RE SPENDING $5.9 MILLION MORE THAN YOU DID LAST YEAR. THAT'S YOUR PROPOSAL. YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK -- IT HAS IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT WE DO IN THE COMING YEARS. IT ALSO HAS IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT HAVE YOU DONE? AT SOME POINT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START SHOWING RESULTS. THIS ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO HAVE TO START SHOWING THERE'S A REDUCTION IN HOMELESSNESS FOR THE $55,000 WE SPEND PER HOMELESS PERSON IN THIS CITY. JUSTIFY THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WE SPEND ON HOMELESSNESS EVERY YEAR. AT SOME POINT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO JUSTIFY WHETHER IT BE TRANSIT OR WHETHER IT BE HHH, AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO JUSTIFY THE CRIME. WE CONTINUE TO HAVE SOME OF THE HIGHEST CRIME RATES IN THE COUNTRY. PLAGUED WITH SOME OF THE HIGHEST HOMELESSNESS CHALLENGES IN THE COUNTRY. YET, WE HAVE PROGRAM AFTER PROGRAM AND WE'VE GROWN THIS CITY'S SPENDING, YEAR OVER YEAR, OVER AND OVER AND OVER. I'M NOT EVEN REALLY QUESTIONING AS MUCH IS IT TRUE. I KNOW IT'S TRUE. I KNOW YOU DIDN'T CUT $35 MILLION. I KNOW WHAT IT SAYS. ULTIMATELY, WHAT IS IT DOING? IS IT A GOOD RETURN ON THE TAX DOLLAR FOR EVERY TAXPAYER IN THE CITY? I THINK EVERY TAXPAYER IN THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE TO SAY, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. AGAIN, I'M NOT PROUD OF THE FACT WE JUST BOOSTED AND BOOSTED AND GIVEN MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO EVERY SINGLE THING IN THIS CITY WITHOUT A WHOLE LOT TO SHOW IT FOR IT OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, OR MANY YEARS. I FEEL LIKE IT'S BEEN A LOST DECADE. WE'VE GOT A CHANCE TO LOOK AT A BUDGET AND AT THE VERY LEAST LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT IT. LET'S GET IT RIGHT. LET'S ACTUALLY SHOW SOME CLARITY ON IT. IT'S NOT THAT HARD. IT'S REALLY NOT THAT HARD. IT DOESN'T TAKE HOURS AND HOURS TO EXPLAIN IT. THESE ARE BASIC QUESTIONS THAT SHOULD JUST BE ABLE TO CLARIFY REALLY QUICK. THE $35 MILLION -- WHERE EXACTLY IS IT? I THINK THAT SHOULD BE EASILY EXPLAINABLE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHERE THE $35 MILLION IN CUTS IS. ONE-TIME SPENDING, REALLOCATION TO TRANSIT. YOU NEED TO SPELL IT ALL OUT. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES ADMINISTRATION QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS MOVE THE AGENDA AROUND A LITTLE BIT. I'M GOING TO GO UNDER APPROVAL. BEFORE WE GO TO PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS, I JUST WANT TO GO TO EC-82. APPOINTMENT OF RAUL BOJANDA. AND TO THE POSITION OF EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. AND EC-83, APPOINTMENT OF INTERIM CHIEF OF POLICE BARKER TO THE POSITION OF CHIEF OF POLICE OF THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THOSE WILL BE THE NEXT ITEMS. WE'LL TAKE ON RIGHT NOW EC-82. APPOINTMENT OF RAUL TO THE POSITION OF EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY. I WOULD MOVE CONFIRMATION. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR BASSAN FOR CONFIRMATION. DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> YES, WE DO. WE HAVE LISA FOLLOWED BY GRACE FOLLOWED BY JAMES. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS LISA. I WILL SPEAK TO THIS ONE. COUNCILOR LEWIS -- [ INAUDIBLE ]. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN BRAG ABOUT HAVING THREE FEMALE CHIEFS AND WE'RE PUTTING APD, AFR, AND IT'S ALL OVER THE LOCAL NEWS AND HOW PROUD WE ARE, AND FOR THE FIRST TIME THREE FEMALE LEADERS, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR MAYOR WHO WANTS TO APPOINT A MAN OVER THEM TO DO WHAT? TO BABY SIT? AT $187,000 AND WE'RE CUTTING FROM TRANSIT AND CUTTING FROM EVERYBODY ELSE AND WE WANT TO SPEND $187,000 ON ONE POSITION TO DO WHAT? BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE PEOPLE IN THE FORCES AND ON THE TEAMS, THEY'RE DOING ALL THE WORK. WHY DO THEY NEED -- THEY ALREADY HAVE A CHIEF. WHY DO THEY NEED A SUPERVISOR OVER THAT? IS KELLER AFRAID TO MEET WITH THE POWER HOUSE FEMALES ALL BY HERSELF? OR DOES HE WANT TO DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN THE CITY? HE'S OUR MARE. IT'S HIS RESPONSIBILITY. HE PROVIDES THREE PEOPLE HE RECOMMENDED AND THIS CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AND WHO THE PEOPLE IN BURQUE, WE WERE LIKE, LET'S GO. AND TO TURN AROUND, ALL THE POLICE CHIEF, AFR, AND ACF, AND WE SAID WE DID BELIEVE BUT NOW WE DON'T. NOW WE HAVE TO PUT SOMEBODY ELSE OVER THERE AT $187,000 A YEAR? SERIOUSLY? WHERE IS THAT JOB DESCRIPTION THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE REDUNDANCY THAT ALREADY HAPPENS WITH THE CHIEF POSITIONS. CITY EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN LAID OFF. FUNDS ARE GETTING CUT. WE NEED TO HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY IN OUR BUDGET. >> GRACE FOLLOWED BY JAMES. >> COUNCILORS, I COME UP FOR YOU AS A CONSTITUENT AND AS A WOMAN WHO QUESTIONS THE NEED FOR ANOTHER MAN TO OVERSEE THREE EXCEPTIONAL WOMEN. I QUESTION THE NEED FOR MORE WASTEFUL SPENDING WHEN YOUR BUDGET IS STRETCHED TO ITS ABSOLUTE LIMIT. MAYOR KELLER IS USING THIS POSITION TO SHIFT THE BLAME AWAY FROM HIMSELF AND HIS RESPONSIBILITIES HE HAS AS MAYOR. ALL WHILE IGNORING THE REAL PROBLEM OF APD AND AFR SLUSH FUND. ESSENTIAL SERVICES WILL PAY FOR THIS MAN'S $187,000 SALARY TO BABY SIT THREE WOMEN WHILE ORDINARY PEOPLE CAN'T PAY THEIR BILLS. YOU WOULD THINK THE CITY WOULD STEP IN AND PROTECT OUR ESSENTIAL SERVICES WHILE THE FASCISTS IN DC CONTINUE CRACKDOWNS ON CITIES THAT HAVE BASIC RESPECT TOWARD IMMIGRANTS. NO, KELLER IS CONTINUING WITH BUSINESS AS USUAL THAT WILL RUN THE CITY INTO THE GROUND. THERE'S NO NEED FOR MORE BUREAUCRACY, RED TAPE, MORE MISOGYNY, WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH OF THAT FROM COUNCILOR LEWIS. THERE'S NO NEED FOR THIS POSITION. THIS POSITION IS REDUNDANT. THIS IS THE MAYOR'S JOB. IF HE CANNOT DO HIS JOB HIMSELF HE SHOULD RESIGN AND LET SOMEONE WHO CAN DO THE JOB AND TAKE HIS PLACE. VOTE NO, REJECT MORE WASTEFUL SPENDING FROM AN OUT OF CONTROL, OUT OF TOUCH MAYOR THAT SEEMS TO NOT CARE ABOUT GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY. >> JAMES. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE JAMES IS HERE. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILORS? COMMENTS? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM PRESIDENT, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TO POINT OUT THAT I HAD CONCERNS WITH THE FUNDING OF THIS POSITION. ESPECIALLY NOW, WHICH RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF BUDGET SEASON. I DID MEET WITH HIM BUJANDA. I HAD MANY QUESTIONS. I HAD PHONE CALLS AND I ASKED PEOPLE WHO KNOW MORE THAN I KNOW ABOUT THE INS AND OUTS OF EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS. I EVEN TOLD HIM THAT I WAS A 50-50 ON CONFIRMING HIM. I'LL SAY AFTER HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS, I THINK THEY ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS. I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS POSITION. I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE COHESIVENESS. I'M GOING TO TRUST THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN I WOULD TRUST MY OWN PERSONAL THOUGHTS ON THIS BECAUSE I WANT TO DO WHAT I THINK THE EXPERTS AS WE'RE ALWAYS SAYING ARE ASKING FOR. I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT LEAP. VIN THOUGH I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. I DO LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS. GET ANSWERS. I THINK IT WILL BE GOOD TO HAVE LEADERSHIP IN A ROLE THAT CAN ACTUALLY MEET WITH EACH OF THESE DEPARTMENTS AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAYBE CONNECT THE DOTS AND GET THEM ALL TO WORK A LITTLE BIT BETTER TOGETHER VERSUS HOW IT HAS BEEN NOW WHERE SOMETIMES I THINK THAT MAYBE THROUGH NOBODY'S FAULT OF THEIR OWN, THERE STILL IS A MISSING LINK. BECAUSE THERE'S AN UPHILL BATTLE WHEN IT COMES TO SO MANY DIFFERENT HATS TO WEAR OR THINGS TO DO. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I THINK I WOULD GO TO THE ADMINISTRATION TO HELP TALK ABOUT -- SINCE WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENTERS ASK ABOUT WHAT THEY WOULD DO. -- I KNOW. FOR THE PUBLIC. WHAT WOULD THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY? WHAT IS THEIR MAJOR JOB DUTY? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE DO HAVE DR. SENGEL ON ZOOM. SHE WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND. >> GOOD EVENING, PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME? >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK AND HAVE HAD MANY DISCUSSIONS RELATED TO THIS POSITION AND THE VALUE IT BRINGS. THIS IS NOT AN ADDITIONAL POSITION IN THE BUDGET. WE HAVE REPURPOSED THE DEPUTY CAO POSITION THAT'S CURRENTLY VACANT INTO A VERY SPECIALIZED FOCUS FOR US AS AN ADMINISTRATION. THE GOAL IS TO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WORKS ACROSS ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDER TEAM TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A UNIFIED UNDERSTANDING OF THE BEST WAY WE CAN WORK WITH OTHER AGENCIES, COURT SYSTEMS, AND OTHERS TO DO EXACTLY WHAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER IN TERMS OF IMPROVING OUTCOMES IN OUR COMMUNITY SO WE CAN DO THE RITH THING AT THE RIGHT TIME AND WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS. THIS IS BOTH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND OTHER FIRST RESPONDERS THAT YOU MAY SEE IN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES. AS WELL AS WE THINK ACROSS OUR SYSTEMS OF CARE AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND OTHER PLACES. MANY TIMES OUR FIRST RESPONDERS ARE IN A POSITION THEY HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC ROLE. WE WANT OUR POLICE CHIEF FOCUSED ON FIGHTING CRIME. WE WANT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT FOCUSED ON EMERGENCY FIRST RESPONSE AND THE EMERGENCY MEDICAL CARE THEY PROVIDE AS WELL AS FIRE RESPONSE. WE WANT ACS FOCUSED ON BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND ENSURINGING THAT WE ARE PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR INDIVIDUALS TO HAVE A DIFFERENT RESPONSE IN AN EMERGENCY. I THINK THE KEY HERE IS THAT OUR -- THIS WORK HAS BEEN DONE AT THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL AND IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THESE CHIEFS. FOR MANY YEARS, THROUGH OUR ADMINISTRATION. AND THIS PROVIDES US TO HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO HAVE IN OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO NIT THIS WORK TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT HAS MORE EFFECTIVE OUTCOMES. HIS WORK WILL BRING FOCUS ON HOW WE WORK TOGETHER. THAT INCLUDES WITH THE COUNCILORS IN TERMS OF OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND WITH OUR PARTNER AGENCIES TO OUTCOME AND SHARING IN THAT RESPONSIBILITY. I THINK EACH OUR CHIEFS HAVE APPRECIATED -- WE HAVE THREE FEMALE CHIEFS, REPORTING TO A FEMALE CAO. WE HAVE MANY DEPARTMENTS THAT REPORT TO MANY OTHER -- THIS IS NOT ABOUT GENDER. THIS IS ABOUT BRINGING ADDITIONAL PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE FOR SUPPORT WORK. WE ALL KNOW THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE CAN DO IN OUR COMMUNITY IS FOCUS ON SAFETY AND WELL BEING OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE FIRST RESPONDERS. AND THE COMMUNITY THAT IS ASKING FOR THAT SAFETY. I'M ACTUALLY VERY HAPPY THAT MR. BRUJANDA IS WILLING TO BE ON OUR TEAM AND BRINGS HIS EXPERTISE TO SUPPORT US. HE HAS A VERY SPECIFIC JOB DESCRIPTION. WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WITH ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. THIS IS FULLY ARTICULATED AND PUBLICLY POSTED. WE CAN PROVIDE THAT. IT IS NOT FOR HIM TO LEAD ANY OF THE DEPARTMENTS. IT'S TO LOOK HOW TO HAVE THE SYSTEM WORK TOGETHER AND HOW WE CAN WORK WITHIN OTHER SYSTEM FOR OUR GREATER POSITIVE OUTCOME. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, CAO SENGEL. I LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT HIS SUPERVISOR IS A FEMALE. YOU WILL BE SUPERVISING HIM. I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH HIM IN EQUITY AND INCLUSION AROUND EDUCATION FOR HATE CRIMES IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY. AND I FOUND HIM TO BE REALLY KNOWLEDGEABLE. I THINK THAT EXPERTISE WILL HELP OUR CITY. I THINK THE OTHER THING -- I KNOW IT'S CONTROVERSIAL, BUT HE WAS ALSO ONE OF THE PEOPLE INVESTIGATING OUR DEPARTMENT WITH THE DWI SCANDAL. THAT'S SOMEONE WHO CAN ALSO HELP HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE AND KEEP US ACCOUNTABLE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PROCESSES IN PLACE, WHICH I KNOW THE DEPARTMENT IS ALREADY WORKING ON, SO THOSE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN AGAIN. TO ME, THAT'S EXTREMELY GOOD EXPERTISE WE NEED MAKE SURE ALL THE AGENCIES ARE PULLING IN THE SAME DIRECTION IN THE FIELD OF EXPERTISE. I THINK IT'S A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR EXPERTISE AT THE CITY. EVEN AS SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T THINK WE NEED MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT HIGHER UPS, BUT IT BRINGS COHESIVENESS WE DO NEED. I'M A FAN OF HIS WORK. I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING FOR THE CITY. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS IS THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT. HE HAS THE ABILITY TO DO THIS. I'LL CONFIRM IT. I CAN'T SAY I TRUST THE ADMINISTRATION. ABSOLUTELY NOT. I DON'T THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY TRUSTS THIS ADMINISTRATION OR EVEN THIS POSITION. TRUST IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE PROVED AND EARNED. WE'LL TRUST YOU. AND WE'LL TRUST HIM IN THIS POSITION. GIVE IT SIX MONTHS AND LET'S SEE IF THERE'S SOME REAL RESULTS AND CHANGES THAT TAKE PLACE. FOR SO LONG, THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY CHANGES WHEN IT COMES TO CRIME IN THIS CITY AND WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SATE. I DON'T WANT TO KID OURSELVES. WE HAVE SERIOUS PROBLEMS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS DEPARTMENT. PHENOMENAL POLICE OFFICERS. THEY NEED LEADERSHIP THAT HAS THEIR BACK. WE NEED TO BUILD A DEPARTMENT THAT EVERYBODY CAN BE PROUD OF. -- OF THE LEADERSHIP. WE'RE PROUD OF THE OFFICERS, WE JUST NEED TO BE PROUD OF THE LEADERSHIP FOR MAKING THE RIGHT DECISIONS AND GROWING THE DEPARTMENT AND MAKING IT WHAT IT SHOULD BE AND COULD BE. AT SOME POINT, WE NEED TO SEE SOME REAL RESULTS. YEAH, HIRE THIS POSITION. I HOPE HE DOES A GREAT JOB. I'LL TRUST YOU WHEN THERE'S SOME TIME THAT GOES BY AND WE START SEEING SOME REAL RESULTS. WE'RE REALLY GETTING AHEAD OF THE CRIME IN THE CITY AND WE'RE SHOWING SOME GREAT OUTCOME. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR LEWIS. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, OUR LEGAL COUNSEL ASKED THE ADMINISTRATION -- WE DIDN'T GET AN ANSWER. I'M GOING TO ASK NOW. CAN YOU PROVIDE A JOB DESCRIPTION, JOB DUTYS OR OTHER SIMILAR DOCUMENT FOR THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY? SINCE THIS IS A NEW POSITION, THERE'S INTEREST IN LEARNING MORE ABOUT WHAT THE ROLE WILL ENTAIL. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, JUST AS CAO SENGEL SAID, WE DO HAVE THE JOB DESCRIPTION. WE CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOU. WE DO HAVE THE JOB DUTIES WRITTEN. WE CAN PROVIDE THAT. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. CAN YOU GET THAT TO US IN THE MORNING? THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE NOW. OKAY. WHY DO THE PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS NEED ANOTHER LAYER OF SUPERVISION BETWEEN THEM AND THE CAO? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, THIS WILL BE THEIR SUPERVISION. HE WILL REPORT TO CAO SENGEL, WHICH IS LIKE MOST OF OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM. FOR INSTANCE, I HAVE SEVEN DEPARTMENTS THAT WILL REPORT TO ME. AND I WILL REPORT TO CAO SENGEL AS WELL AS CFO DEPARTMENTS THAT WILL REPORT TO HER. AND SHE REPORTS TO CAO SENGEL FROM THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL. >>COUN. GROUT: WHAT AUTHORITY WILL MR. BRUJANDA HAVE? >> HE WILL BE AN EXECUTIVE TEAM MEMBER JUST LIKE MYSELF. AND JUST LIKE OUR CFO. JUST LIKE OUR CHIEF OF STAFF. >>COUN. GROUT: WILL HE HAVE AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT LIKE THE POLICE CHIEF AND FIRE CHIEF? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I'M NOT 100% SURE. BUT I DON'T THINK SO. >>COUN. GROUT: DOES THE CITY CHARTER CONTEMPLATE REMOVING THE CAO OR ANY DEPUTY CAO? >> MADP PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT NO. THE CHARTER IS SILENT ONTO -- ON REMOVAL FOR THOSE POSITIONS. >>COUN. GROUT: WOULD THERE BE A WAY FOR COUNCIL OR THE MAYOR TO REMOVE THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY EVEN FOR CAUSE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, THAT IS NOT PROVIDED FOR IN THE CHARTER. NO. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR GROUT. CAO SENGEL, DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO THAT BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILOR CHAMPINE? IS THAT WHY YOUR HAND IS UP? MAYBE NOT. OKAY. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME? >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. MY MUTE WAS ON HOLD. I'M SORRY. I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, ALL POSITIONS IN THE ADMINISTRATION THAT ARE UNCLASSIFIED ARE AT WILL BASED UPON THE MAYOR'S APPOINTMENT. WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO TERMINATE ANY POSITION AT WILL FOR CAUSE OR OTHERWISE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU SO MUCH. RELATED TO THIS, OUR CITY ATTORNEY. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING. WHEN A DOCUMENT IS SILENT AS TO REMOVAL, THE POSITION IS AT WILL AND CAN BE REMOVED FOR ANY TIME OR REASON EXCEPT FOR DISCRIMINATORY REASONS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. IT WAS BASED OFF OF COUNCILOR GROUT'S QUESTION AND YOUR RESPONSE TO IT. THAT THIS IS NEEDED. WHY NOW? IF THINGS WERE WORK ING EIGHT YEARS IN THIS ADMINISTRATION, WHY NOW? WHY IS THIS A NEED NOW? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I KNOW CAO SENGEL IS STILL THERE. I'M HAPPY TO, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, ADDRESS IT. I THINK AFTER THE ELECTION THERE WAS A SHUFFLE, AS YOU KNOW, WITH SOME OF THE EXECUTIVES. MR. WHELAN WENT INTO COO, I WENT TO CFO. SO THERE WAS A SHUFFLE OF DEPARTMENTS. I BELIEVE CAO SENGEL TOOK ON ADDITIONAL DEPARTMENTS. SHE WAS TRYING TO BRING SOME EXPERTISE. FRANKLY, JUST THE SHIFTING. WE ALL WENT THROUGH A SHIFT AT DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS BASED ON EXPERTISE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, IT WAS FUNCTIONING FINE BEFORE AND WITH THIS ADJUSTMENT IT WILL FUNCTION FINE STILL? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE YES. WE'RE FUNCTIONING WITH ONE LESS EXECUTIVE MEMBER. MY OLD POSITION AS ASSOCIATE CAO, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S AN INTENTION TO FILL THAT POSITION. WE'RE ACTUALLY MANAGING THE SAME NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS WITH LESS NUMBER OF EXECUTIVE MEMBERS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: INTERESTING. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, IF I MAY? >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD -- WHY NOW? MAYOR KELLER STATED THIS PUBLICLY, MR. BUJANDA'S SKILLS AND EXPERIENCE PROVIDE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT MAXIMIZING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COLLABORATION ACROSS DEPARTMENTS AND LOOKING TO ELEVATE OUR OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPACT IN THIS THIRD TERM AND I APPRECIATE BRINGING THAT EXPERTISE TO THE TEAM. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. I'LL END WITH -- I HAD SIMILAR CONCERNS WITH WHAT SOME OF THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS STATED. I MET WITH MR. BUJANDA. I WAS IMPRESSED WITH HIS EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE. I REALLY FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL AND A LOT OF PROBABILITY OF HIM BRINGING HIS SKILL TO THE TABLE AND REALLY HELP TO BOLSTER THE GOOD WORK THAT ALL THE WOMEN ARE ALREADY DOING. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE PHENOMENAL. I KNOW HE MENTIONED THIS SISTER ASKED HIM THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT OVERSEEING ALL THE WOMEN. JUST TALKING TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS, SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILOR BASSAN SAID, PEOPLE REALLY FEEL THAT HIS LEVEL OF EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE WILL HELP OUR CITY AND MOVE IT FORWARD. WITH THAT, WE WILL GO TO A VOTE. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: CONGRATULATIONS. WELCOME ABOARD. GOOD LUCK. [ APPLAUSE ]. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO EC-83. APPOINTMENT OF INTERIM CHIEF OF POLICE BARKER TO THE POSITION OF CHIEF OF POLICE OF THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I MOVE CONFIRMATION. THERE'S A SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT AND COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? I DON'T SEE ANYONE EITHER. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM PRESIDENT, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH MS. BARKER OVER THE YEARS WHEN SHE WASN'T IN SUCH A HIGH ROLE. NOW, I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HER. I THINK THERE'S REALLY BARELY ANYONE ELSE I CAN THINK OF -- I CAN'T THINK OF SOMEBODY BETTER FOR THIS JOB. I'M VERY HAPPY. IF ANYTHING I WISH WE WOULDN'T HAVE DONE A SEARCH. THAT SAID, IT IS WHAT IT IS. I'M VERY EXCITED SHE HAS BEEN APPOINTED TO BE THE POLICE CHIEF. I DEFINITELY LOOK FORWARD TO CONFIRMING HER. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BASSAN. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I ECHO THAT. I THINK CHIEF BARKER WAS SOMEONE I ALWAYS WENT TO. FOUGHT THAT I HAVE A GOOD NOT THAT I HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH CHIEF MEDINA, BUT I THINK THE COMMUNICATION LEVEL HAS EXCEEDED MY EXPECTATIONS. AND I AM GRATEFUL FOR THE HELP IN MY DISTRICT ESPECIALLY. Y'ALL KNOW HOW IT IS IN MY AREA. THAT SOUTHEAST COMMAND AND OUR UNIVERSITY COMMAND -- I LISTEN TO THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND THEY HAD NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT CHIEF BARKER. TO ME, THAT WAS ALL I NEEDED TO HEAR. THE FOLKS ON THE GROUND DOING THE WORK HAD NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS TO SAY. THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THE DEPARTMENT GROW LEADERSHIP. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR ROGERS. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. MADAM PRESIDENT. I, TOO, HAVE ENJOYED WORKING WITH CHIEF BARKER AND HER TEAM. I'VE ALREADY SEEN THE CHANGES SHE'S MADE. I THINK THEY'RE POSITIVE. THEY'RE WONDERFUL. EVERYTHING WE SEE -- WE SEE SO MANY GOOD THINGS COMING. I LOVE THAT OUR TEAM RESPECTS HER SO MUCH. THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THIS INDIVIDUAL. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR GROUT. COUNCILOR TELLES. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO SAY HOW CRITICAL AND VALUABLE I THINK THE APPOINTMENT OF CHIEF BARKER AND MR. BURUNDA ARE TO THE WORK OF PUBLIC SAFETY. IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE SEEING A REALLY POSITIVE SHIFT IN THAT TONE AT THE TOP IN THE AGENCIES. AND IN APD. WHICH, AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS SPENT HER -- MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER IN GOVERNANCE AND ACCOUNTABILITY, AND OVERSIGHT, THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS. IT'S CREATING A POSITIVE TONE AT THE TOP SO THAT YOU CAN CREATE A CONTROL ENVIRONMENT THAT WORKS WELL. AND WHEN YOU HAVE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOU HAVE -- YOU CAN SEE FOLKS ARE OUT HERE IN THE CHAM CHAMBER -- THEY'RE POSITIVE ABOUT THE CHANGE. I SAT DOWN WITH SEVERAL DCs AND COMMANDERS OVER THE LAST FOUR MONTHS THAT I'VE BEEN PRIVILEGED ENOUGH TO SIT HER -- HERE. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE SHIFT AND THE REALLY POSITIVE TONE AT THE TOP THAT FOCUSES ON PUBLIC SAFETY. BECAUSE AS WE KNOW PUBLIC SAFETY AND CRIME ARE NOT THE SAME THING. THESE ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE THINGS. IF WE WANT CRIME TO GO DOWN, WE HAVE TO INCREASE PUBLIC SAFETY. IF WE WANT TO INCREASE PUBLIC SAFETY, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE INVESTING IN THE THINGS THAT WORK. LIKE YOUTH PROGRAMS. BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND THINGS LIKE SUPPORTING OUR OFFICERS WHO ARE OUR BEAT OFFICERS WITH BETTER AND MORE SUPPORTIVE ACS FOLKS WHO CAN TAKE THOSE TYPE OF CALLS. SO YOU'RE WORKING WITHIN YOUR DESIGNATED LANES. AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING HERE. THOSE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS I HAD. AND I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT. AND I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THAT THROUGH ALL OF THE GREAT PUBLIC SAFETY ORGANIZATIONS. AND IN ANY WAY THAT I CAN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH YOU SO THAT WE -- I SAID THIS TO SEVERAL OF YOU THAT WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THE WEST SIDE THE EXAMPLE. WE'RE GOING TO SHOW HOW COMMUNITY POLICING AND PUBLIC SAFETY AND THAT WORKS. AND I'M VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. AND THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR TELLES. WITH THAT, I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER COUNCILORS WANT TO SPEAK. I'LL END BY SAYING THAT I'M REALLY PROUD AND HONORED TO BE ABLE TO ME HERE AND MOVE CONFIRMATION AND TO CONFIRM OUR FIRST FEMALE CHIEF OF THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I KNOW WE HAVE THE FIRST FEMALE CHIEF OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I THINK THAT'S A HUGE MILESTONE. AND IT SAYS A LOT FOR OUR CITY AND HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. AND AS SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS SAY ABOUT BRUJANDA, I DON'T THINK THEY'LL LET HIM GET AWAY WITH DOING NOTHING. I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT. AND MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE CHIEF OUTSIDE OF HER BEING CHIEF HAS BEEN A PHENOMENAL EXPERIENCE. THANK YOU. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: CONGRATULATIONS. [ APPLAUSE ]. WE BROKE OUR OWN RULES. THAT'S OUR FIRST WARNING. WITH THAT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE WILL MOVE TO PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. TONIGHT, MADAM PRESIDENT, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM MS. TURNER OF THE DMD WHO WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE VULNERABLE ROAD USERS CAMPAIGN AND EFFORTS. DIRECTOR. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, GOOD EVENING. TONIGHT I'M HONORED TO PRESENT THE FOURTH OF SIX MONTHLY UPDATES TO YOU ON OUR TRAFFIC SAFETY EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN. JUST TO HIGHLIGHT SOME KEY POINTS FROM OUR TRAFFIC CODE CHANGES. A REMINDER THAT DRIVERS SHALL STOP FOR EVERYONE USING MARKED OR UNMARKED CROSSWALK. EVERY CORNER IS A CROSSWALK. FOR VULNERABLE ROAD USERS YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO CROSS SAFELY. AND THE CODE UPDATES PROVIDE CLEAR RULE FOR RACK TANGULAR FLASHING BEACONS. IN OUR MEETINGS, NO ONE EXPOSE WHAT THEY ARE. HERE'S A BRIEF HIGHLIGHT OF -- I'M SORRY. THIS IS NOT COOPERATING. SO, BASICALLY, A RECTANGULAR RAPID FLASHING BEAKSON A FLASHING LIGHT AND FOR VULNERABLE ROAD USERS AT A CROSSWALK YOU HIT THE BUTTON TO WAIT SAFETILY UNTIL THE SIGNAL. FOR DRIVERS, TO MAKE LONG STORY SHORT, IF YOU SEE A FLASHING LIGHT OR A CROSSWALK WITH A PERSON ON IT, STOP. DON'T GO AHEAD OF THE LINE. STOP BEHIND THE LINE. AND WAIT FOR THEM TO SAFELY CROSS. AGAIN, FLASHING LIGHTS, STOP. NEXT SLIDE. TURNING TO THE EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN PROJECT. WE'VE DEPLOYED BILLBOARDS AROUND THE CITY, HIGHLIGHTING THE CAMPAIGN. WE HAVE DIGITAL DISPLAYS AT SUN PORT, CITY HALL, AND CNM. WE HAVE VIDEOS ONLINE AND KRQE, KOB, ESTRELLA AND TELEMUNDO. WE PARTICIPATED IN COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND WILL CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN MORE. WE'VE DISTRIBUTED CAMPAIGN MATERIALS TO UNM AND APS AND OTHER COMMUNITY GROUPS. WE'VE FINALIZED A ONE-AGE FLIER ON THE CAMPAIGN. WE'RE FINING, TOMORROW, A WEBINAR. AND WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON ADDITIONAL DISPLAYS ON BUSH SHELTERS AND OTHER LOCATIONS. TO SHOW OUR CAMPAIGN IN THE WILD, WE'VE GOT IT ON BILLBOARDS ON THE TOP LEFT. AND WE HAVE IT AT THE CONVENTION CENTER. WE HAVE IT AT THE BIG INTERSECTION AT CNM WHERE COAL HITS UNIVERSITY. AND THE BOTTOM RIGHT SLIDE IS SHOWING THE AIRPORT ABOVE THE ESCALATORS GOING TO BAGGAGE CLAIM SO ALL VISITORS KNOW WHAT TO DO. AND JUST A REMINDER A CAMPAIGN WEBSITE IS WWW.CAB.GOV/STOP. OUR YOUNGEST SHOULD EVEN BE LEARNING ABOUT THE CAMPAIGN WITH STOP FOR EVERYONE. THANK YOU. I STAND FOR QUESTIONS. >>COUN. PEÑA: ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'M GRATEFUL. WE'RE ACTUALLY AT YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY WITH APS'S VISION ZERO. THEY'RE DOING CURRICULUM ROLLOUT. AND SOME OF OUR STAFF WAS THERE TO PRESENT ABOUT THIS. IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING HEARING THE TEACHERS GETTING THIS TRAINING AND A LOT OF FEEDBACK AROUND -- CAN'T YOU JUST WIDEN THE SIDEWALK TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEDESTRIANS? BUT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS ABOUT HUMAN BEHAVIOR. WE HAVE PUT THE BEACONS IN. THAT'S THE CHANGE TO THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT TO TRY TO MAKE PEOPLE SAFER. WITHOUT BEHAVIOR CHANGES, WITHOUT THE EDUCATION, IT WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING WITHOUT THIS. THIS IS SUPER CRITICAL. IT WAS REALLY AWESOME TO SEE ALL OF THE TEACHERS GET THE INFORMATION AND TURN IT INTO CURRICULUM IN THEIR CLASSROOM. THEY GAVE THEM A WAY THEY CAN ACTUALLY TURN THIS CAMPAIGN INTO CURRICULUM IN THEIR CLASSROOMS SO THEY'RE TEACHING KIDS ABOUT IT. I'M GRATEFUL AND WANT TO SHOUT OUT APS FOR TAKING A STEP FURTHER THAN JUST DISTRIBUTING IT IN OUR JAR. BUT ACTUALLY PUTTING IT INTO CURRICULUM INTO SCHOOLS, WELL BEFORE THE KIDS DRIVE, THEY'RE BIKING. AND STILL GETTING THE INFORMATION. IT WAS REALLY COOL TO SEE THAT ALIGNMENT. I WANT TO SEND A SHOUT OUT TO THE TEAM FOR THAT ALIGNMENT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS AWESOME AND ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE ASKED FOR. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: COUNCILORS, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. VICE PRESIDENT. THANKS DIRECTOR. I AM LOVING SEEING THE SIGNS. I'VE SEEN THEM AROUND THE CITY. THAT'S GOOD. I HOPE THAT IT'S VERY EFFECTIVE. QUESTION. HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO GET IN CONTACT WITH THE DRIVER'S ED SCHOOLS? >> COUNCILOR PEÑA, COUNCILOR GROUT, WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN FINALIZING MATERIALS TO DISTRIBUTE TO THEM. WE WILL HAVE A WEBINAR AND ALSO WE HAVE A ONE-PAGE FLIER. EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHEN THE STATE LEGISLATURE SIGNED THE NEW LAW REQUIRES THREE HOURS OF EDUCATIONAL TRAINING FOR OUR NEW DRIVERS, STARTING JANUARY 1st, THE STATE IS ALSO DRUPPING CURRICULA. THAT PROCESS IS GOING ON. I THINK THE CABINET SECRETARY JUST ISSUED GUIDANCE TO THE SCHOOLS SAYING, HEADS UP, THIS IS SOMETHING. AND I KNOW BIKE ABQ IS WORKING WITH SOME OF THE SCHOOLS ON QUESTIONS, THE WRITTEN KNOWLEDGE EXAM. YES, WE'RE AWARE OF THE EFFORT. WE'LL WORK WITH THEM. BUT THEY HAVE EXPERTS TO ADDRESS THE STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM OUR ROAD REQUIREMENTS. >>COUN. GROUT: VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. APPRECIATE IT. MADAM PRESIDENT, WE WILL NOW MOVE -- MOVE TO THE SECOND PRESENTATION TODAY. ONCE I FIND IT. MADAM PRESIDENT, PRESENTATION FROM DR. WAYNE LINDSTROM, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH MANAGER FOR BERNALILLO COUNTY. AND DR. BROWN NESSER WHO WILE PROVIDE ON THE SENATE BILL THREE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH INVESTMENT. DEPUTY COUNTY MANLER. MANAGER. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE ALSO MEMBER OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT COORDINAING COMMISSION, THIS IS THE SAME PRESENTATION YOU HEARD LATE LAST WEEK. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. DR. NEESER WILL DO THE BULK OF THE PRESENTATION. WE'LL BOTH STAND FOR Q&A SUBSEQUENTLY. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE DOCTOR IS A FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST. AND THIS WHOLE EFFORT AROUND SENATE BILL, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH REFORM, AND INVESTMENT ACT, IS REALLY ABOUT THE INTERSECTIONALITY BETWEEN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH. I THOUGHT WHO BETTER THAN A FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. I KNOW WE HAVE LIMITED TIME. I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH A VERY EXTENSIVE PROCESS IN FIVE MINUTES. I SEE MY CLOCK. SO, OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AT THE END OF THIS. THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH REFORM AND INVESTMENT ACT CAME INTO LEGISLATION IN 2025. IT HAD $150 MILLION ATTACHED TO IT. CONSIDERED GAP FUNDING. IN ADDITION TO THAT, SB1 WAS PASSED, WHICH IS THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TRUST FUND. THAT WAS INTENDED TO HAVE A BILLION DOLLARS INVESTED IN IT AND AT THE END OF THIS PROCESS WOULD HAVE A DIVIDEND OF $50 MILLION TO CONTINUE SUSTAINING THIS PROCESS. STATEWIDE. THE STATE WAS DIVIDED INTO 13 REGIONS, EACH CORRESPONDING TO A JUDICIAL DISTRICT THAT'S HAD A BIT OF PAIN. HOWEVER IT BEHOOVES TO APPRECIATE THAT OUR CORRECTIONS SYSTEM IS OUR LARGEST MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDER IN THE STATE. THAT IS ALSO A NATIONAL ISSUE. AN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF SEVEN MEMBERS WAS CREATED TO OVERSEE THAT INITIATIVE. AND EACH REGION IS TASKED WITH DEVELOPING A THREE-REAR REGIONAL PLAN ADDRESSING FIVE PRIORITY AREAS. THE FOCUS OF THE PLANS IS TO EXPAND AND ENHANCE THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CARRY FOR ALL AGE GROUPS. YOU'LL SEE ON YOUR SLIDES THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TRUST FUND, A LITTLE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. AGAIN, IT SUPPOSED TO BE 1 BILLION INVESTED. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE RUFB HOVERING AROUND $200 MILLION. THAT DOESN'T GET US CLOSE TO ONE BILLION DOLLARS. TRIBAL ENGAGEMENT WAS A HUGE COMPONENT. REGION TWO INCLUDES ESLETTA AND SANDIA PUEBLO. THEY'RE PARTNERING WITH US. AND THEY'LL HAVE THEIR PRIORITIES TO US BY JUNE 30th. SANDIA, WE'RE STILL COMMUNICATING, BUT HAVE NOT AGREED TO PARTNER WITH US YET. OUR TRIBALAL OUR TRIBAL ALLOCATION IS $1.6 MILLION. IT EQUALS $335,000 ANNUALLY PER YEAR. PARTICIPATION LEVEL FOR THOSE TRIBAL COMPONENTS IS DETERMINED BY THE TRIBES. THERE'S A LOT OF INTRICACIES INVOLVED. OUR PROJECT OVERVIEW INCLUDES BERNALILLO COUNTY AS IT THE ACCOUNTABLE ENTITY. ALL REGIONS WERE TASKED WITH PICKING AN ACCOUNTABLE ENTITY. WE WORKED WITH THE SIALITY -- CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE ALLOWED BERNALILLO COUNTY TO TAKE ON THAT REQUIREMENT. ENGAGEMENT INCLUDED COMMUNITY LISTENING SESSIONS, IF -- ENHANCED INTERCEPT MODEL. THE STAKEHOLDER COMMITTEE MEETINGS, WHICH ARE PUBLIC AND HELD WEEKLY. IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING THIS PLAN, THEY'RE MOVING TO MONTHLY AS WE ENTER INTO THE INTERIM BETWEEN APPROVAL TIME AND WHEN WE START IMPLEMENTATION. AND THE SENATE BILL THREE WEB PAGE THAT BERNALILLO COUNTY STARTED. WE'RE ALSO ON OUR PRESENTATION CIRCUIT. LIKE DOCTOR LINDSTROM SAID, WE PRESENTED TO THE LGCC. WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU THIS EVENING. WE HAD THE HEALTH EQUITY DO OUR FINAL REVIEW OF OUR DOCUMENT. WE PRESENTED TO THE ADDICTION TREATMENT ADVISORY BOARD, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ADVISORY BOARD, AND WE'RE SOON TO PRESENT TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COORDINATING COUNCIL. OUR TOP PRIORITIES ARE POLICY, ACCESS, CONTINUUM OF CARE, SOCIAL DRIVERS OF HEALTH, AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. SERVICE GAPS INCLUDE MEDICAID DATA, AND OUR ADULT ASSESSMENT TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON WHERE WE NEEDED TO DIRECT THESE SERVICES. AND OUR FUNDING CONSIDERATIONS CAME FROM MEDICAID FUNDING AS WELL AS LOOKING AT WHAT OUR PROCUREMENT PROCESS WAS LIKE. I AM USING WAY MORE TIME. THE FUNDING -- NATIVE AMERICAN SERVICE POPULATION, LIKE I TALKED ABOUT. HOWEVER, ACA AUTHORITY HAD A FUNDING FORMULA THEY UTILIZED. REGION TWO IS RECEIVING $13 MILLION. WHICH EQUALS $4.2 MILLION ANNUALLY TO ATTACK THIS ISSUE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE DID RECEIVE EARLY ACCESS FUNDING WHICH IS MADE AVAILABLE TO US. FOR $2 MILLION. THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE GOT $1 MILLION TO SUSTAIN THE VIOLENCE INTERVENTION PROGRAM. AND BERNALILLO COUNTY GOT $1 MILLION TO RENOVATE THE TREATMENT FACILITY ADDRESSING PREGNANT AND POST PARTUM WOMEN. YOU CAN SEE A BUDGET JUSTIFICATION AS THE LAST SLIDE WHICH I DIDN'T QUITE MAKE. WE STAND FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. VICE PRESIDENT. WHAT DOES ESIM STAND FOR? >> ENHANCED SEQUENTIAL INTERCEPT MODEL. >>COUN. GROUT: WHAT IS THAT? >> THANK YOU FOR ASKING. GREAT QUESTION. THE SEQUENCE INTERCEPT MODEL. IT WAS CREATED BY SAMSA. IT'S SUBSTANCE ABUSE MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES ADMINISTRATION. THEY CREATED THIS YEARS AGO TO TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT INTERCEPTS OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM WHERE INDIVIDUALS WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES CAN BE DIVERTED. GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM OR PERHAPS NEVER ENTERING THE JUSTICE SYSTEM DUE TO MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. DOCTOR, DIRECTOR -- >> I FEEL THE NEED TO DO A BIT OF ADVOCACY. I DID THIS IN FRONT OF THE LGCC LAST WEEK AS WELL. THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TRUST FUND WAS INTENDED TO BE A $1 BILLION TRUST FUND THAT GENERATES A DIVIDEND $50 MILLION IN NEW MONEY TO FILL SERVICE GAPS AND INNOVATE. AND THERE WAS A MEASURE IN THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION FOR 2026 TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL $650 MILLION TO MAKE THAT TRUST FUND WHOLE. THAT MEASURE NEVER MADE IT INTO THE BUDGET BILL. MY ADVOCACY FOR ALL OF YOU IS THAT I WILL BE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSION AROUND OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES FOR THE NEXT SESSION. AND I HOPE THAT WILL BE OUR PRIORITY ON OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA AND I HOPE THAT IT IS FOR YOURS AS WELL. BECAUSE WE HAVE THREE YEARS OF GAP FUNDING AND THIS IS JUST TO CARRY US OVER UNTIL WE GET ACCESS TO THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TRUST FUND. BUT IF THAT TRUST FUND IS NOT MADE WHOLE, WE'LL HAVE DONE A LOT OF THIS AND NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO MEET THE ORIGINAL INTENTION OF THE ACT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: DEPUTY MANAGER, DOCTOR, THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION AND PRESENTATION. MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT COMPLETES PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, VICE PRESIDENT. WE'RE NOW TO THE JOURNAL. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE APRIL 6th JOURNAL. THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, I DON'T SAY. [ ROLL [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. NOW, TO COMMUNICATIONS AND INTRODUCTIONS. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I MOVE TO PULL R-15 OUT OF FINANCE GOVERNMENT AND OPERATIONS AND PLACE IT ON THE MAY 4th COUNCIL AGENDA FOR ACTION. R-15 IS ADOPTINGING THE 2026 ACTION PLAN AND PROGRAM INVESTMENT SUMMARY FOR THE EXPENDITURE OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP, AND EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANT FUNDS AND WORKFORCE HOUSING TRUST FUND. PROVIDING AN APPROPRIATION TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS FOR THE 2026 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENT AND WORKFORCE TRUST FUND. THE REASON FOR THIS IS THAT WE HAVE A DEADLINE TO SUBMIT IT TO HUD. SO, WE CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEXT MEETING. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. TO PULL R-15 OUT OF FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R-21 FOR ACTION. APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING THE ACCEPTANCE OF GRANT FUNDS FROM THE NATURAL RESOURCES DEFENSE COUNSEL AND PROVIDING APPROPRIATIONS TO THE GENERAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT BEGINNING FISCAL YEAR 2027. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION, MULTIPLE SECONDS. I'LL TAKE COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THIS IS $4500 THAT IS COMING FROM NRDC TO CONTINUE THE COMPOSTING PROGRAM WE SET UP IN DISTRICT SEVEN. WE DID NOT REALIZE THAT IT HAD TO BE DONE QUITE THIS FAST. BUT WE RECEIVED WORD LAST WEEK THEY WANTED IT DONE BY THE END OF THIS MONTH. THAT'S THE REASON FOR THIS IMMEDIATE ACTION. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANKS. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: JUST A QUICK QUESTION. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I'M NOT TOO SURE IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS. IN THE WRITE UP, IT SAYS IT PLAN FOR EXPANSION. WHAT ARE THE EXPANSION PLAN? I KNOW IT'S WORKING IN A CERTAIN AREA. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. I DO HAVE THE -- IS ANN SIMON HERE? >>COUN. CHAMPINE: WE CAN HOLD OFF ON THE QUESTION AFTER THE VOTE. I APOLOGIZE. THIS IS JUST FOR THE VOTE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND BY -- WHO WAS THE SECOND? COUNCILOR ROGERS. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU SO MUCH. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM PRESIDENT, POINT OF ORDER. I THINK WE STILL HAVE TO APPROVE THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. >>COUN. PEÑA: OH, YES. I'M SORRY. JOURNAL? WE'RE ON THE JOURNAL. I'M SO SORRY. YES. I MOVAL A I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. NOW, WE'LL MOVE TO REPORTS OF COMMITTEE. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, THE FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MET ON MONDAY, 13th, AND REPORTS THE FOLLOWING. IN THE MATTER OF EC-56, 59, 76, APPROVED. 70, 80, 81, RECEIPT BE NOTED. R8, R9 DO PASS. O-17, PASSED SUBSTITUTED AND BE ACTED UPON THE MEETING. R-10, DO PASS. ACTED UPON IN THE MEETING WHICH REPORTED. O8 WITHDRAWN BY THE SPONSOR. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE REPORTS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION, AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. ANY QUESTIONS? [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM PRESIDENT, THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE WET ON WEDNESDAY, APRIL 15, 2026 AND REPORTS IN THE MATTER OF R2 AND R6 DO PASS. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE REPORT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE REPORT. MADAM CLERK. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. WE'RE NOW ON DEFERRALS AND WITHDRAWALS. I'M GOING TO START WITH O-26-7. I'LL LET THE STAFF TALK ABOUT THIS. THIS IS ABOUT PLANNING SERVICES FOR CITY COUNCIL. DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT, MR. PADILLA? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED AN EMAIL AT 4:30 SAYING THERE'S LEGAL ISSUES TO LOOK INTO THAT WAS FORWARDED TO US BY COUNCILOR ROGERS ABOUT TEN MINUTES AGO. WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU MOVE FOR DEFERRAL AND GIVE US TIME TO LOOK AT THE LEGAL CONCERNS AND WE'LL REPORT BACK TO YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PADILLA. WE'LL VOTE ON THIS AFTER. GO AHEAD. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I MOVE TO PULL EC-9-6 OFF CONSENT AGENDA. IT'S HOUSING FORWARD FUND, FY26 REPORT. I ALSO -- I HAVE TWO MORE. I PULL EC-99 OFF CONSENT AGENDA. THE ALBUQUERQUE ENERGY COUNCIL, FY25 ANNUAL REPORT. FINALLY, ITEM V, OC-5. CPOA'S FISCAL YEAR 26, ONE-YEAR OBJECTIVE UPDATE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. WITH THOSE ITEMS PULLED OFF THE AGENDA. FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS BEING APPOINTED TO SERVE ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. THERE'S A MOTION, AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. WE'LL START WITH THE FIRST ITEM. OC-26-7. RECOMMENDATION OF AWARD FOR ON CALL PLANNING SERVICE FOR CITY COUNCIL. I MOVE ADEFERRAL FOR THIS ITEM. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: SECOND. >>COUN. PEÑA: MOTION, AND A SECOND FOR DEFERRAL BY COUNCILOR GROUT. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. PEÑA: DEFERRAL TO MAY 4th. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. AFTER READING THE WRITE UP FOR THIS, I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. WHOEVER CAN ANSWER THESE. IN REFERENCE TO THE HOUSING FORWARD FUND, FY26 REPORT. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, WE HAVE OUR DIRECTOR OF HEALTH, HOUSING, AND HOMELESSNESS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: WHY YOU MAKE YOUR WAY DOWN, THE REPORT EMPHASIZES THAT THE FUNDING HAS BEEN FULLY COMMITTED. WHEN I QUICKLY ADDED UP THE FUNDING, WE'RE MISSING -- OF THE $23 MILLION, WE'RE ABOUT $7.1 MILLION SHORT. IF IT'S FULLY COMMITTED, WHERE DOES $7.1 MILLION GO? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, YOUR QUESTION IS WHERE -- I'M SORRY. I'M LOOKING AT THE TOTAL. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: IN THE REPORT IT LISTS -- I HAVE A SIDE QUESTION. IT LISTS FIVE AREAS THAT THE FUNDING -- OF THE $23 MILLION, THE FUNDING WENT TO. WHEN I ADD THOSE THINGS UP FROM THE REPORT THAT YOU PROVIDED, IT ADDS UP TO $15.8 MILLION, WHICH IS NOT $23 MILLION. I'M CURIOUS WHERE THE 7.1 GOES. >> I WOULD HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THE MATH TO SEE WHICH PROJECT IT WAS ALLOCATED TO OR MISSING ON THE SUMMARY I HAVE. I'M SORRY. I'LL DO QUICK MATH TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, MY TOTALS ARE COMING TO 23 AS FAR AS PROJECTS ATTACHED TO THE END, UNLESS MY MATH IS OFF. I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT SHORTAGE IS COMING AT. I HAVE THE LOS ALTOS. $76,000 TO THE PROJECT. MESA RIDGE, FOR $8 MILLION. QUALITY SLEEP STUDY OF $6,000 SPENT. ENERGY EFFICIENCY IMPROVEMENT. $1.5 MILLION. BEACH APARTMENTS, $67,000. AND $130,000 -- $6,500. AND $3.3 MILLION. 1 MILLION THERE FOR LOMAS. AND ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS OF 776 FOR 23. IS THAT CORRECT? THERE MIGHT BE TEN EXTRA DOLLARS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: LET ME MOVE BACK DIRECTOR. I CAN SEE WHERE THE ANALYSIS IS SHOWING. I'VE GOT $8 MILLION TO THE WEST MESA RIDGE. I'VE GOT $1.5 MILLION IN A PROJECT THAT WAS CANCELED. IT WAS PUT TOWARD IT, BUT THE FEDERAL FUNDING WAS CANCELED, SO YOU REALLOCATED $1.4 MILLION. $800,000 TO THE ENERGY EFISANCY PROGRAM. AND $3.3 MILLION GOING TO THE STAIR WAY REHABILITATION CENTER. AND I HAVE $3 MILLION ALLOCATED TO TO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY FOR HOUSING CONVERSIONS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: IT WASN'T INCLUDED ON THE WRITE UP. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE -- >>COUN. CHAMPINE: HOW MUCH WAS ALLOCATED TO THAT? >> $6.11 MILLION. AND AN ADDITIONAL FOR THE ARCHITECTURE SERVICES. THAT'S ROUGHLY 6.2. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: IS THAT WHAT'S MISS SOMETHING >> THAT MIGHT NOT BE ON YOUR WRITE UP. THAT PROJECT WAS COMPLETED AND SOME OF THESE ARE STILL IN THE UPDATE -- THE AIDATES ARECHARGE WES MOSTA RIDGE WAS ALLOCATED. THAT DEVELOPMENT IS GOING OUT. I BELIEVE THAT SHORTAGE MIGHT BE COMPLETED PROJECTS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: JUST AN ODD QUESTION, SOME OF THE THINGS REPORTED WERE EVEN NUMBERED. $8 MILLION, $3 MILLION. YET, THE STAIRWELL WAS REPORTED TO THE PENNY. IS THERE A REASON? OUT OF CURIOSITY. >> GREAT QUESTION. THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AND RENTAL FOR THAT FACILITY HAS EVOLVED PER PAYS. AND EVOLVED EVERYTHING FROM FEES FOR RENOVATION TO INDIVIDUALS WHILE DOING REPAIR WORK. SECTIONS AND DESIGNS FOR THOSE STAIRWELLS AND FINAL APPROPRIATIONS AND ACTUAL COST. YES, WE'VE BEEN SPENDING ON THAT QUITE A BIT. AND TALLIES ARE COMING IN AND THE INVOICES ARE BEING DONE. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE VARIOUS AMOUNTS FOR DIFFERENT AMOUNTS PAID. I CAN HIGHLIGHT FOR THOSE. STRUCTURE EVALUATION, DUE DILIGENCE, TWO FEES RELATED TO THAT. AND OVERALL CONSTRUCTION COST WHICH IS A LARGE BULK OF FUNDING. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. COULD YOU EMAIL ME THAT? COULD YOU EMAIL THE -- I'M MISSING SOME THINGS. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO ADD THEM UP AND GET ACS MATH GOING. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE ABSOLUTELY. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: ONE LAST QUESTION. THIS IS AN ANNUAL REPORT FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, RIGHT? THAT'S THE DATE OF JULY TO JUNE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE YES. THIS IS OUR UPDATE TO YOU ALL IN REGARDS TO WHERE THAT FUNDING SITS AND AS BEFORE WHERE WE ARE WITH THE ALLOCATED PROJECTS. WE PROVIDE THAT TO YOU VIA ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE FUNDING. THERE'S NO NEW FUNDING, BUT IT'S UNT EXHAUSTED AND DRAWN DOWN, WE'LL DO THIS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. DON'T GO ANYWHERE. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE BEACH APARTMENT. CAN YOU TELL ME HOW THAT PROJECT IS COMING ALONG? IT'S BEEN A WHILE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. I WANT TO GET PEOPLE BACK IN IT. >> COUNCILOR GROUT, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. PHASE ONE IS NEARING COMPLETION. WE'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT PHASE TWO. THE REDESIGN FOR THE STAIRS HAVE BEEN REDONE. WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE THE ARCHITECTURE DONE YEARS AGO. ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE LIGHTING THAT IS TRADITIONALLY KNOWN FOR WHEN YOU DRIVE BY ON THAT NEON LIGHTING. THEY'RE HONORING THE ORIGINAL DESIGN AND CONCEPT. WE'RE MOVING INTO PHASE TWO. I SIGNED OFF, THERE'S FOLKS BEING RELOCATED TO OTHER LIVING UNITS. WE'RE PROVIDING THAT BEFORE WE START. >>COUN. GROUT: WHAT WAS PHASE ONE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, THE ACTUAL APARTMENT COMPLEX WAS DESIGNED IN A VERY UNIQUE WAY. WHAT WE DID IS IDENTIFIED THE STAIRCASES THAT WERE FAILING MOST IMMEDIATELY AND IDENTIFIED THAT AS PHASE ONE AND ADDRESSING ALL OF THOSE. WHILE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH ASSESSING THE BUILDING, WE WENT STAIRCASE TO STAIRCASE ACCORDING TO THOU PROPERTY SITS. WE'RE PHASING THOSE OUT FOR REPAIRS. WE'RE PRIORITIZING THE MOST URGENT STAIRWELLS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WILL PEOPLE BE ABLE TO MOVE -- ARE PEOPLE MOVING BACK IN? WHEN WILL THEY MOVE BACK IN? WHAT'S THE PLAN? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, OUR GOAL IS TO KEEP THAT FACILITY IN OUR PROFOLIO AND HOUSE AS MANY INDIVIDUALS AS WE CAN. WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE, FOLKS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RETURN. SOME INDIVIDUALS HAVE CHOSEN TO MOVE INTO OTHER PROPERTIES IN OUR PORTFOLIO. THEY MAY WISH TO STAY THERE OR RETURN. THEY GET FIRST PRIORITY CHOICE. >>COUN. GROUT: HOW MANY APARTMENTS ARE THERE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I DON'T HAVE THE FULL NUMBER. I'D HAVE TO GET THAT FROM OUR RECORDS. I CAN'T REMEMBER THAT. >>COUN. GROUT: OVER A HUNDRED? >> I WANT TO SAY IT'S CLOSE TO THAT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANKS INTEREST THE UP . >>COUN. GROUT: THANKS FOR THE UPDATE. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. THIS REPORT DOES NOT SHOW A FULL BEFORE AND AFTER ALLOCATION TABLE. WHICH MAKES IT RECONCILIATION REALLY DIFFICULT. I'D LIKE TO ASK WE INCLUDE A TABLE SO WE CAN EASILY SEE -- SIMPLE TABLE THAT SAYS PROJECT, ORIGINAL ALLOCATION, AND I'LL SEND IT TO YOU. PROJECT, ORIGINAL ALLOCATION, RELOCATED REALLOCATED AMOUNT. I'M SEEING MONEY MOVED TO DIFFERENT PROJECTS, BUT I CAN'T FOLLOW THE MONEY. THAT'S REALLY HARD WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING FORWARD. FINAL ALLOCATIONS. SPENT TO DATE, AND HOW MUCH IS REMAINING WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE FINAL AMOUNT. WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IF YOU MOVE SOMETHING FROM HERE TO HERE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS SEVERELY UNDERFUNDED IS OUR ENERGY PROGRAM. WHEN I WAS LOOKING LINE BY LINE, ORIGINALLY IT WAS 1.5 ALLOCATED AND THERE WAS $25,000 SPENT IN YOUR REPORT. ALL THE OTHER FUNDS WERE REASSIGNED SOMEWHERE ELSE. I THINK THAT BEFORE AND AFTER ALLOCATION TABLE WILL HELP US BE ABLE TO RECONCILE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE FUNDS. AND WHAT WAS THE ASSUMED IDOH YOU PUT ON THESE PROJECTS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS -- >>COUN. ROGERS: I CAN'T DO QUICK MATH. I KNOW THE PROJECT TOTALS WAS $23 MILLION AND IDOH WAS 776,000 76,000 . >> IT'S CLOSER TO 3%. >>COUN. ROGERS: AWESOME. YOU TOOK WHAT WE PASSED. NOT 5%. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO CALL IT OUT. I APPRECIATE YOU USING WHAT WE PASSED WITH THIS BODY FOR IDOH. ESPECIALLY ON HOUSING. BECAUSE THEY'RE HOUSING DOLLARS. I THINK -- THANK YOU FOR ASKING ABOUT THE STAIR WAYS. I HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. I THINK THAT WENT WAY ABOVE THE ALLOCATED AMOUNT. I THINK THE ALLOCATION TABLE WOULD HELP ME SEE WE ROUGHLY SPENT 3.3 TOTAL ALREADY. I JUST WANT TO SEE HOW FAR OVER WHAT WE ALLOCATED BECAUSE THAT'S A MAJOR PROJECT. WE'VE GONE ABOVE, RIGHTFULLY SO, PEOPLE NEED STAIRS TO THEIR APARTMENT THAT THEY'RE PAYING RENT FOR. AND IN CITY PROPERTIES, WE CANNOT HAVE SLUM LANDLORD PROBLEMS IN OUR PROPERTY. WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT LANDLORDS AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING OR NOT DOING, AND IF THE CITY ISN'T DOING IT, THAT'S TOO ME MORE EGREGIOUS. I THINK THAT WOULD HELP ME RECONCILE. I HAVE SO MANY OTHERS I'D LOVE TO SEE HOW MUCH HAS BEEN REALLOCATED OVER THE YEARS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THERE. I THINK THE BIGGEST QUESTION TO OUR ADMINISTRATION, CAN YOU CERTIFY THAT NO HOUSING FUND DOLLARS HAVE BEEN SPENT OUTSIDE COUNCIL AUTHORIZED PROJECTS PURPOSES? WHOEVER FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WITHIN THIS APPROPRIATED FUNDING, I'M HEARING THERE MIGHT BE LARGER QUESTIONS THAN THAT. YES, WITHIN THIS IT IS APPROVED. WE TRACK REALLOCATIONS. AND I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THE PROPOSED ITEMS THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR ARE BEYOND REASON. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. MADAM PRESIDENT, I HEAR THAT AS A YES. I THINK THE RECONCILIATION TABLE WILL HELP US DO THAT. IF I I CAN'T FOLLOW IT -- I'M A TRUST BUT VERIFY GIRL. I WANT THE INFORMATION TO VERIFY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR ROGERS. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. FIRST, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING THAT COUNCILOR ROGERS WAS ASKING ABOUT. YOU AND I HAD A COUPLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT. WE HAD $1.5 MILLION FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY FOR CITY-OWNED PROPERTIES. AND ALSO, OF COURSE, MEETING OUR CLIMATE GOALS. THE CONTRACTOR THAT WAS GOING TO DO THAT WORK IS NO LONGER ABLE TO DO THAT WORK. THEY DID A VERY MINIMAL AMOUNT. LIKE $25,000. WE TALKED THROUGH HOW TO SPLIT THAT UP. THEY NEEDED MORE TO FINISH THE BEACH STAIRS, WHICH HAS TO BE DONE. SO, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHART, YOU'LL SEE $800,000. WHICH IS A LITTLE OVER HALF OF THE ORIGINAL THAT'S GOING TO GO INTO A NEW ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING THOSE UNITS UPGRADED AND THE REST WENT INTO THE BEACH STAIRS, WHICH AGAIN, IS A LOT OF MONEY FOR STAIRS. I HAD A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. TELL ME HOW MANY UNITS ARE AT THE SURE STAY LOFTS. LOS ALTOS LOFTS. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I MAY HAVE TO GET THAT BACK TO YOU. MY RECOLLECTION IS 101 UNITS. MOSTLY STUDIOS WITH A FEW ONE-BEDROOMS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. THE REST OF THE ACTUAL NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONSTRUCTION WITH THE $23 MILLION IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW. THAT IS THE ONLY COMPLETED PROJECT, IS THAT RIGHT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, SURE STAY IS DONE. WE JUST BROKE GROUND ON -- LOMAS TOWER IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND PARK CENTRAL. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: WE'VE HAD THIS HOUSING FORWARD AROUND FOR SEVERAL YEARS. AND WE ONLY HAVE ONE COMPLETED PROJECT. I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN CONSTRUCTION. I JUST WANT TO NOTE FOR THE PUBLIC THAT A MAJORITY -- WELL, MAYBE NOT A MAJORITY. THE LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE FUNDS IN THIS HOUSING FORWARD FUND HAVE BEEN USED FOR EXISTING UPGRADES, WHICH IS REALLY GREAT. BUT IT WASN'T EXACTLY THE IMPETUS FOR CREATING THE HOUSING FORWARD FUND. I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME OF THESE PROJECTS WE'RE GOING TO CREATE NEW HOUSING UNITS. UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE ONE WE HAVE. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK OF MORE REGULAR WAYS OF CREATING FUNDING FOR UPKEEP OF OUR ASSETS. AND USE FUNDING THAT COMES IN LIKE THIS FOR ACTUAL CREATION OF NEW HOUSING UNITS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, I MAKE A MOTION RECEIPT BE NOTED. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, EC-99 IS THE ALBUQUERQUE ENERGY COUNCIL FISCAL YEAR 2025 ANNUAL REPORT. I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION ON THIS. AND A QUICK EXPLANATION. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE 3% SET ASIDE? IT STATES IN THERE THAT THE 3% SET ASIDE TOTALS $840,000 WHICH WENT INTO THE GENERAL FUND. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THAT 3% IS SOMETHING THAT COMES OUT OF THE BOND FUND FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROJECTS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. IN THE PAST, WHAT BEEN THE CIP SAVINGS IN THE PAST? >> WE HAVE SAVED MORE THAN 855,000 KILOWATTS OF ELECTRICITY, BASED ON THE PAST TWO YEARS OF OUR INVESTMENT. IN DOLLARS, IT'S AROUND $500,000. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: ON TOP OF THE 847? >> I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK HOSE NUMBERS. I'M PINCH HITTING FOR MY COLLEAGUE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: SOME OF THAT, MADAM PRESIDENT, MONEY IS GOING INTO -- WANTING TO GO INTO REINVESTMENT INTO THE PROGRAM, CORRECT? INTO THE CITY PROJECTS AND THE CITY FACILITIES, IS THAT CORRECT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, ALL OF THE FUNDS ARE ONLY USED FOR CITY FACILITY UP GRADES. YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. IT'S NOTED IN HERE, MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT YOU WANT TO RAISE IT FROM 3 TO 5%. IF IT'S CREATING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THIS GREAT PROJECTS, WHY THE INCREASE? WHY NOT CURRENTLY, SLOWLY, KEEP GOING WITH THE CURRENT PROJECTS AND CURRENT 3%? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THAT WAS RECOMMENDATION FROM THE NINE-MEMBER BOARD OF THE AEC APPOINTED BY THIS BODY. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. MADAM PRESIDENT, WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THE UPCOMING $840,000? ONCE IT GOES BACK TO BE USED FOR ANYTHING. DO WE KNOW? >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THAT THE PROJECTS ARE ALL IDENTIFIED BY THE ALBUQUERQUE ENERGY COUNCIL MEMBERS. NINE COUNCIL MEMBER BODY. WE ALLOCATE THEM FOR VERY SPECIFIC PROJECTS. EACH ONE OF THE PROJECTS IS BROUGHT BEFORE THE BOARD EVERY MONTH. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: PERFECT. MADAM PRESIDENT, OUT OF CURIOSITY, THIS IS DATED JANUARY 27th OF THIS YEAR. IS THERE A REASON WHY IT TOOK SO LONG TO SHOW UP? DO YOU KNOW? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE I DO NOT KNOW. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, WHEN IS THE LAST TIME WE RECEIVED ONE OF THESE REPORTS? DO YOU KNOW? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I BELIEVE THAT THE FY24 ANNUAL REPORT WAS SUBMITTED TO THIS BODY AROUND JANUARY OF 2025. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: DO WE KNOW THE EC? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, WE DON'T. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. MADAM PRESIDENT, IS THERE A WAY I CAN GET THE ECs FROM THE PAST? TO REVIEW THEM. >> WE CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. MADAM PRESIDENT, THERE WAS A -- I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL GOAL WAS 25%. TO REACH 25% FOR MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS BY 2025. HAVE WE REACHED THAT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. THE GOAL IS 100% RENEWABLE ELECTRICITY ENERGY ON ALL CITY OPERATIONS. THIS IS NOT A NET ZERO GOAL. WE STILL HAVE BOILERS, WE STILL HAVE SOME CARBON-EMITTING ENERGY FORMS IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. BUT THE MORE WE PUT OWN SOLAR INFRASTRUCTURE ON OUR FACILITIES, THE MORE OFFSET WE HAVE WITH OUR FOSSIL FUEL ENERGY CONSUMPTION. WE SHOULD BE ON TARGET TO OFFSET ALL OF OUR ELECTRICITY WITH 100% RENEWABLE BY THE END OF THIS YEAR. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THAT MATCHES THE MAYOR'S GOAL THAT HE SET, CORRECT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE YES. THANK YOU. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: ONE LAST QUESTION. I KNOW IT'S PROPOSED TO GO FROM 3 TO 5%. IF IT DOES NOT GO TO 5%, WHAT'S THE FALL BACK OF THAT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, WE'RE DOING REALLY GOOD THINGS WITH THIS MONEY. WE'RE UPGRADING OUR LIGHTING WITH LED LIGHTING. WE'RE PUTTING ON SOLAR PANELS. WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR WATER SAVINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT GAS SAVINGS. WE'RE MAKING GAS BOILERS MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT. WE'RE MAKING OUR PARKS AND OPEN SPACE BRIGHTER AND SAFER WITH BETTER LIGHTING. IT'S GOING TO GOOD USE. IT WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, IT WILL GO 3 OR 5% AND IT WILL GET TO GOOD USE? >> CORRECT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS IN LINE WITH COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. YOU SAID THIS MONEY CAN ONLY BE SPENT FOR ENERGY SAVINGS PROJECTS, IS THAT CORRECT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, ENERGY EFFICIENCY MEASURES. LIGHTING, WATER EFFICIENCY, SOLAR. >>COUN. ROGERS: OKAY. THAT IS WHAT CONFUSES ME. WHEN YOU WRITE UP THE 5% SET UDSIDE, THE CITY WILL FREE UP BUDGET TO REDIRECT TO OTHER CRITICAL NEEDS INCLUDING PUBLIC SAFETY, INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE, COMMUNITY SERVICES, YEAR AFTER YEAR. CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT THAT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I THINK THAT THE THINKING WAS BECAUSE THESE ARE -- THERE ARE EXPENDITURES THAT HAVE TO BE MADE, SOMETIMES WE GO BEYOND WHAT'S IN OUR ALLOCATION. I THINK THE THINKING WAS THAT THOSE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO BE USED BY THE GENERAL FUND. >>COUN. ROGERS: BUT NOT -- YOU SAID IT WASN'T ALLOWABLE OUTSIDE OF ENERGY PROJECTS OR ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROJECTS? I WOULD ARGUE WE CAN'T SPEND IT ON THAT. THE OTHER THING THAT WAS IN HERE WAS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND LISTENING TOURS, TO COUNCILOR CHAMPINE'S POINT, IT SAID Q1, 2026. CITY COUNCIL WILL ENGAGE AND AEC WILL ENGAGE IN LISTENING TOUR. WHEN CAN I EXPECT ONE IN DISTRICT SIX? WE LOVE ENERGY SAVINGS. WE LOVE THE TRAIN. WE ASKED FOR -- WHEN CAN DISTRICT SIX -- COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS MY JAM. I'D LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU ON PLANNING THOSE. WHEN CAN WE EXPECT THIS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THIS IS AN IDEA THAT HAS COME FROM THE NINE-MEMBER AEC BOARD. AND THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN GETTING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY. AS SOON AS WE GET THOSE SCHEDULED, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW. >>COUN. ROGERS: OKAY. IT SAID Q1 IN YOUR REPORT. Q1 IS OVER. CAN WE BE SPECIFIC? I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOUR TEAM. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I'M PINCH HITTING FOR MY COLLEAGUE. AND WE WILL CONFER WITH ENERGY AND SUSTAINABILITY AND GET BACK TO YOU AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. >>COUN. ROGERS: I'LL HAVE MY TEAM REACH OUT TO YOU. YOU CAN HITCH YOUR WAGON TO OUR AND COME ALONG AND TALK ABOUT THAT. ESPECIALLY AS OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE PUTTING IN PROJECTS. A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN AROUND SUSTAINABILITY, FOOD ACCESS, AND ALL THE WORK ERR -- YOUR DEPARTMENT WITH FOOD ACCESS. YOU CAN COME ALONG TO THE ALL PARTIES WE'RE GOING TO BE THROWING AND TALK TO DISTRICT SIX RESIDENTS ABOUT THIS. THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR ALL OF US. I THINK AS -- I JUST WANT US TO DO WHAT WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO. THIS IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FOR MY DISTRICT. I'M EXCITED TO WORK WITH YOU ON THAT. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM PRESIDENT, IN EARLIER CONVERSATIONS I HAD, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THIS FUNDING DOES NOT GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND. DO WE HAVE STAFF FROM COUNCIL SERVICES THAT CAN CLARIFY THAT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, THAT IS CORRECT. THE 3% FOR ENERGY SET ASIDE IS PART OF THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND PROGRAM. OUT OF EACH DISTRICT, 3% IS RESERVED, JUST LIKE 1% FOR PUBLIC ART AND 2% WHICH IS NOW 3% FOR OPEN SPACE. IT IS A RESERVE SPECIFICALLY OUT OF THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND PROGRAM THAT CAN ONLY BE USED FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR ENERGY SAVINGS. NONE OF THIS MONEY GOES BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BASSAN. COUNCILOR GROUT. SDMRG THANK YOU, MAD . >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE WRITE UP. AND THE LAST TIME WE RECEIVED AN ANNUAL REPORT WAS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021-22. THAT WAS EC-23-265. IF THERE WAS ONE AFTER THAT, WE NEED TO KNOW. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. IAGE WANTED . >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. I THINK PERHAPS THE CONFUSION IS THE FUNDING FOR THIS COMES FROM THE GO BOND SET ASIDE. IT'S SET ASIDE FOR THOSE PROJECTS. THE SAVINGS THAT ARE CREATED FROM THESE PROJECTS DO NOT GO INTO THE FUND. THEY GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. THAT IS THE CASE. THE MONEY TO DO THE PROJECTS COMING FROM THE BOND SET ASIDE, THE SAVINGS AND UTILITY COST GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND WHICH CAN BE DISTRIBUTED HOWEVER WE DISTRIBUTE IT. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS. I CAN REACH OUT. BUT I WAS LOOKING AT SOME OF THE PROJECTS. THEY'RE REALLY GREAT PROJECTS. I'M AN ENERGY COUNCIL ALUM. I LOVE THE WORK OF THIS GROUP. I JUST NOTICED A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF OUR SAVINGS ARE STILL COMING FROM LED CONVERSIONS. THAT IS LOW HANGING FRUIT. ALL THE UTILITY PROGRAMS HAVE MOVED BEYOND LIGHTING AND INTO MORE IMPACTFUL AND LONG-TERM SAVINGS. I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN GET -- WE DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE THIS OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, BUT CAN WE GET AN ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH MORE TO SPEND BEFORE WE ARE THROUGH THE LOW HANGING FRUIT AND ON TO BIGGER PROJECTS? THAT WOULD BE A HELPFUL NUMBER TO GET. IF YOU CAN SEND IT TO ME SOMETIME. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. NO OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. ONE MORE. ON YOUR REPORT, SOME PARTS OF YOUR REPORT SAY PROJECT SAVINGS. AND WE KNOW WHAT THE SAVINGS IS. SOME JUST HAVE THE TOTAL FOR THE PROJECTS. CAN WE ALIGN THAT WHERE WE SEE THE TOTAL FOR THE PROJECT AND NEXT TO THAT THE SAVINGS? I'M SURE THERE'S IMPACT IN SAVING. I CAN SEE IT ON SOME OF THE LINE ITEMS. BUT SOME HAVE THE PROJECT TITLES BUT NOT THE SAVINGS TOTALS. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. WE LOVE TO POINT TO IMPACT TO SHOW WE SPENT THIS AND THIS IS HOW MUCH WE SAVED PACED -- BASED ON THAT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I MAKE A MOTION FOR RECEIPT BE NOTED. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. LAST ONE, OC-5. JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. DIRECTOR IS HERE TO ANSWER THEM. DIRECTOR, IT IS NOTED IN THIS THAT SUSTAINED FINDINGS HAVE INCREASED FROM 21 TO 49%, WHICH SHIFTED THE REVIEW FOCUS TOWARDS SUSTAINED CASES AND DELAYED REVIEWS OF EXONERATED, UNFOUNDED CASES. I KNOW WE USE AN OUTSIDE VENDOR TO ASSIST WITH THIS, IS THAT CORRECT? OR IS IT IN-HOUSE? >> NO, THE REVIEWS ARE ALL IN-HOUSE. I CONDUCT THE FINAL REVIEW OF EVERYTHING. PER THE REQUIREMENT. BUT I HAVE SOME SUPPORT, OBVIOUSLY, FROM OUR LEAD INVESTIGATOR AND OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: DO WE KNOW WHAT'S CONTRIBUTED TO THIS UPTICK? >> IT'S A COMBABZ COMBINATION OF A USE OF PSAs AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS. IT'S NOT THE DEPARTMENT IS DOING DIFFERENT THINGS. IT'S A MATTER THAT PEOPLE FILE COMPLAINTS AND THEY KNOW ABOUT US. WE'RE RECEIVING AND BEING MORE EFFICIENT IN OUR COMPLAINTS. SO WHEN WE RECEIVE A COMPLAINT, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT HAS SOME VIABILITY TO IT. YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED WE HAVE A HIGH NUMBER OF INTAKES, BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY DROPPED OUR NUMBER OF ASSIGNED COMPLAINTS BECAUSE WE'RE RESOLVING THEM THROUGH MEDIATION, INFORMAL MEDIATION, THROUGH OUR BETTER SCREENING PROCESS. THE LIKELIHOOD OF A COMPLAINT WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY ASSIGNED HAS A HIGHER LIKELIHOOD OF SOMETHING. THAT'S MOST OF WHAT IT IS. BUT THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND PEOPLE AND ADVERTISING TOO. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, WHAT'S THE CURRENT CASE LOAD PER INVESTIGATOR FOR CPOA? >> WE'RE RUNNING AT JUST UNDER 8-PER. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: EIGHT? AFTER SEVEN, BUT BEFORE NINE, EIGHT? >> 7.75 IS THE ACTUAL. APPROXIMATELY, 8, PER INVESTIGATOR. WHICH IS A MUCH BETTER NUMBER AND MUCH MORE MANAGEABLE NUMBER THAN WHAT IT WAS PREVIOUSLY, WHICH WAS 15, 20, 25, NOT THAT LONG AGO. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. MADAM PRESIDENT, JUST ONE LAST QUESTION. BASED ON SOMETHING THAT'S ON THE AGENDA LATER, AND THE REPORT BEING READ NOW, DO YOU FORESEE AN ISSUE WITH THAT GOING TO 15, OR 20, OR 25 IF THE ITEM LATER ON IS PASSED AND THE SCOPE IS WIDENED? >> I DON'T. BECAUSE ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT A WIDENING OF THE SCOPE, IT'S MAINTAINING STATUS QUO. WE'VE BEEN DOING THOSE INVESTIGATIONS ALL ALONG. BUT THERE'S A NEW CONCERN OF HOW THE LANGUAGE OF THE ORDINANCE MADE IT NOT FEASIBLE. I DON'T ANTICIPATE MUCH CHANGE. PLUS, WE'RE HIRING PEOPLE. WE HAVE TW MORE INVESTIGATORS TO FILL. I'M STILL CONFIDENT IT WON'T IMPACT >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I BELIEVE COUNCILOR ROGERS HAS A QUESTION. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. FOR THE CONTRACTOR, WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CASES THE CONTRACTOR CAN HANDLE? >> YES, MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, RIGHT NOW IT VARIES FOR THEM. THEY ARE HAVING A LOWER NUMBER OF AVAILABLE INVESTIGATORS THEMSELVES. THEY HAVE AN ACTIVE CAPACITY OF BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX, GIVE OR TAKE. >>COUN. ROGERS: OKAY. MADAM PRESIDENT, WHAT IS THE COST PER OUTSOURCED CASE? >> IT'S HIGH. WE DO TRY AND KEEP MOST THINGS INHOUSE. THEY CHARGE $75 AN HOUR, PLUS TAXES. WE TRY AND KEEP MOST CASES IN HOUSE. THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THE CONTRACTOR IS WE DO SOMETIMES HAVE CONFLICT OF INTEREST CASES WHERE IT'S BETTER TO OUTSOURCE TO AVOID ANY APPEARANCE OF POSSIBLE CONFLICT OF INTERESTS. AS WELL AS THERE ARE OCCASIONALLY A CASE THAT WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF REVIEW OF EVIDENCE. AND IF WE ASSIGN THAT TO AN INHOUSE INVESTIGATOR THAT TENDS TO BOG THEM DOWN. IT MIGHT EVEN BE THE PERSON IS TAKEN OUT OF ROTATION TO HANDLE THAT ONE CASE. IF WE USE THE CONTRACTOR FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE CAN KEEP THE FLOW GOING AND MAKE SURE THINGS DON'T BOTTLENECK AND ACCUMULATE. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. IF YOU WERE FULLY STAFFED, YOU WOULD HAVE THE NEED FOR OUTSIDE CASE REVIEW? >> A LITTLE BIT. WE TRY TO MINIMALLY USE THEM A MINIMAL AMOUNT. >>COUN. ROGERS: OKAY. JUST A COUPLE MORE. WHAT IS YOUR ANNUAL INVESTIGATOR TURNOVER RATE? >> WELL, IN 2023, WE HAD THREE LEAVE. ALL VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIMES. WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS GONE DUE TO BEING DECEASED. WE HAD HIRED SOME. AND TWO MORE LEFT. AND WE HIRED AND -- I'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE ACTUAL PERCENTAGE. IT'S BEEN A BIT OF ROTATION. >>COUN. ROGERS: DOES HR GIVE YOU A DEPARTMENT REPORT OF TURNOVERS? >> I'M NOT AWARE. I JUST KNOW INHOUSE. >>COUN. ROGERS: NOTHING YOU GET FROM HR DEPARTMENT? >> NO. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. LAST QUESTION IS THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION. READING IN THERE THAT SUSTAINED CASES COULD POTENTIALLY BE AT RISK FOR MISSING DISCIPLINARY DEADLINES. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY SUSTAINED CASES ARE AT RISK FOR MISSING DISCIPLINARY DEADLINES? >> THERE ARE NONE. THAT'S THE TRIAGE WE NEED TO DO. WE MAINTAIN ALL OF THE SUSTAINED CASES. ANYTHING THAT HAS A LIKELIHOOD OF BEING SUSTAINED, THAT HAS TO GO TO THE TOP OF THE LINE OR THE TOP OF THE PILE. AND THEN, WE MOVE FROM THERE. THE SUSTAINED CASES, WE STAY ON TOP OF MAKE SURE THEY'RE SUSTAINED. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, I MAKE A MOTION, RECEIPT BE NOTED. I REMOVE MY MOTION. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. I DID RAISE MY HAND. I JUST WANTED TO SAY, QUICKLY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US ON THE DAIS TO THINK THROUGH THE FACT THAT THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF SUSTAINED ALMOST PERFECTLY OVERLAPS WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE DOJ OVERSIGHT. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING CONCERNING TO ME. I THINK IT SHOULD BE CONCERNING TO EVERYONE. I JUST WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD. THANK YOU. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT. I MAKE A MOTION RECEIPT BE NOTED ON OC-5. SGRP THERE'S A MOTION . >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S MOTION, AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR BASSAN. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. WE'RE NOW ON ANNOUNCEMENTS. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THERE WILL BE A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING ON THURSDAY, APRIL 30, AT 5:00 P.M. >>COUN. PEÑA: WE'RE NOW ON FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS. >>COUN. ROGERS: O-17, AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION AND DELIVERY OF A WATER PROJECT FUND LOAN GRANT AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE NEW MEXICO FINANCE AUTHORITY AND THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. EVIDENCING AN OBLIGATION OF THE BAR OR GRANTEE TO UTILIZE THE LOAN AND GRANT AMOUNT SOLELY FOR WATER STORAGE CONVENIENCE AND DELIVERY PROJECT FOR PUERTA DEL SOL GOLF COURSE IN DISTRICT SIX. IN THE AMOUNT OF $3 MILLION INCLUDING THE LOAN FOR $300,000. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? I DIDN'T SEE SEE ANYONE EITHER. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILORS? COUNCILOR TELLES. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. I DIDN'T SEE THE DEBT OBLIGATION HAD A CONFIRMED REPAYMENT SOURCE. DID THAT GET WORKED OUT? >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE OUR BOND LAWYER TO ANSWER THAT. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU. I WASN'T SURE WHO TO ASK. >> COUNCILOR TELLES, YES. THE REPAYMENT SOURCE IS GROSS VOTES TAX ON A SUBORDINATE BASIS. THE CITY HAS MULTIPLE BONDS OUTSTANDING. WHICH IS A TRIPLE-A RATED CREDIT. THE NEW MEXICO FINANCE AUTHORITY WHICH IS LENDING MONEY TO THE TRANSACTION TAKES A BOTTOM LEVEL, SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE CITY'S CREDIT OR OUTSTANDING DEBT RELATED TO THE PAYMENT SOURCE AND LOAN ITSELF, THE LOAN IS AT 0.25%. UP TO 20 YEARS. IT'S ABOUT $15,000 ANNUAL. >>COUN. TELLES: OKAY. MADAM PRESIDENT, DID WE -- IS THERE AN AMORTIZATION OR APPRECIATION SCHEDULED FOR THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S GOING IN? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT STILL PAYING SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO REPAIR BEFORE THAT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES, I CAN SPEAK TO THE AMORTIZATION SCHEDULE FOR THE DEBT WHICH IS 20 YEARS. FROM A BOND FINANCING, THE USEFUL LIFE OF THE IMPROVEMENT MUST BE LESS THAN THE WEIGHTED AVERAGE OF THE DEBT. SINCE IT CAN BE REPAID AT ANY POINT, THAT'S GREAT. I HAVE TO DEFER TO MR. SIMON IN TERMS OF THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF. DO YOU KNOW? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY. THE USEFUL LIFE OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS -- TO SIMPLIFY THIS TITLE OF THE BILL, IT'S AN IRRIGATION RENOVATION. THE IRRIGATION MATERIAL WILL LAST A LONG TIME. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE WAS A MOTION, AND A SECOND FOR O-17 FOR DO PASS. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR GROUT, BY REQUEST. O-20. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. O-20 IS AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE AND SALE OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO, GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND. SERIES 2026. IN THREE SERIES AND COLLECTIVE PAR AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $89.6 MILLION. CONSISTING OF $56 MILLION GENERAL PURPOSE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS SERIES 2026A. $8.2 MILLION GENERAL OBLIGATION STORM SEWER BOND. SERIES 2026B. AND THREE, 25-MILLION TAXABLE SERIES 2026. THIS SERIES, 2026A BONDS, SERIES 2026B BONDS AND 2026 ARE REFERRED TO AS SERIES 2026 BOND. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. PEÑA: MOTION, AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: MADAM PRESIDENT, WE DO HAVE A FLOOR SUB. IT'S FLOOR SUB, O-26-20. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR FLOOR SUB. BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. GROUT: MADAM PRESIDENT, THERE'S USUALLY ALWAYS A FLOOR SUB FOR THESE THINGS. MR. HEREHEAD, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY? >> IN THIS CASE, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF BLANKS AS INTRODUCED. SO THOSE HAVE BEEN FILLED IN. IT'S THE SAME STRUCTURE FROM THE INTRODUCTION. >>COUN. GROUT: TITLE DIDN'T CHANGE? >> THAT GOES FOR THE RESOLUTION THAT'S NEXT ALSO. >>COUN. GROUT: THE BONDS WERE APPROVED BY THE VOTERS ON NOVEMBER 4, 2025. THEY'LL FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS AND PUBLIC SAFETY, $10.5 MILLION. PARKS $12.1 MILLION. STREETS $28.75 MILLION. COMMUNITY CENTERS, $9.8 MILLION. STORM SEWERS, $8.25 MILLION. AND SMALLER AMOUNTS FOR LIBRARIES, TRANSIT, CULTURAL FACILITIES. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE WAS ALREADY A MOTION AND SECOND FOR DO PASS OF FLOOR SUB. [ ROLL CALL ]. -- >>COUN. PEÑA: I'M GOING TO MOVE THE SUB AND VOTE ON IT AND GO TO THE PUBLIC SPEAKER. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: NOW WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL AS SUBSTITUTED. WE HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE HAVE JOHN TO SPEAK. >>COUN. PEÑA: THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. IT NEVER STARTED. WE ARE BACK ON THE BILL. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILORS? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. SERIOUSLY, I ALWAYS HAVE QUESTIONS. I'M SORRY, Y'ALL. QUESTIONS FOR MEREHEAD. WHY IS -- IN A HOUSING CRISIS, WHY IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING ZERO DOLLARS AND METROPOLITAN REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY -- WE AUTHORIZED $10.1 MILLION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSE, BUT ZERO ON THIS SERIES 26. WE THOSED 2.5 FOR METROPOLITAN REDEVELOPMENT BUT IT'S ZEROED OUT. THE ONLY TWO LINE ITEMS ZEROED OUT. CAN YOU TELL ME WHY? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M THE RIGHT GUY. BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE LAY OF THE LAND IS. SO, THE QUESTION AS SUBMITTED, YOU GETTING AN ISSUE OVER THE FOUR-YEAR PERIOD. GENERALLY, THE CITY ISSUES ALL OF THE VOTER APPROVED GO DEBT IN TWO CYCLES. THE FIRST CYCLE BEING $90 MILLION. THE SECOND CYCLE BEING $90 MILLION IN 2027, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT AND METROPOLITAN REDEVELOPMENT COMPONENT. I CAN SAY THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT -- IT LOOKS THROUGH THE PROJECT OF EACH CATEGORY THAT YOU APPROVE THROUGH THE CIP PROGRAM AND IDENTIFIED WHAT IS MOST LINED UP IN IMMEDIEYACE. >>COUN. ROGERS: I DIRECTOR TURNER WHY AFFORDABLE HOUSING WASN'T RAISED TO AN IMMEDIATE NEED? >> COUNCILOR PEÑA, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I AGREE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MRA ARE IMMEDIATE NEEDS. THE REALITY IS THAT WHEN COUNCIL PASSED THE ORDINANCE APPROPRIATING -- THE RESOLUTION, I APOLOGIZE. AFTER THE VOTERS VOTED IN NOVEMBER, COUNCIL APPROPRIATED THE FUNDS. ALL THE FUNDS THE VOTERS SAID YES TO IN NOVEMBER, AND THAT IN LANGUAGE IN THAT RESOLUTION SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT THOSE FUNDS WERE AVAILABLE TO SPEND IMMEDIATELY. SO, WE HAVE ACTIVITIES FOR ALL THOSE FUNDS AND WE CAN SPEND THEM PER COUNCIL ACTION IMMEDIATELY. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE BONDS ARE SOLD TODAY OR NEXT MONTH, WE ALREADY HAVE THE AUTHORITY PURSUANT TO COUNCIL APPROPRIATING THOSE FUNDS TO SPEND THAT MONEY IMMEDIATELY. THAT WAS LANGUAGE. I DON'T HAVE THE RESOLUTION IN FRONT OF ME. BUT THERE'S SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN THAT RESOLUTION. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. I VAGUELY REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THOSE. I DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL SAID NOT TO INCLUDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I HEAR MR. MEREICIDE SAID YOU MADE THE DECISION ON HOW TO DIVVY THIS UP. THE VOTERS IN 2025 ELECTION AUTHORIZED $10.1 MILLION FOR HOUSING. AND 2.5 FOR METROPOLITAN REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY. THAT'S WHAT THE VOTERS WANTED. I GUESS IT'S -- I DON'T KNOW HOW WE FIX THAT. WHAT I'M HAEG HEARING IS THE NEXT ONE YOU BRING UP WILL INCLUDE HOUSING AND MRA? >> THAT'S CORRECT. TRADITIONALLY WE'VE NEVER SOLD ALL THE BONDS AT ONCE. I'M SURE MR. MEREHEAD CAN EXPLAIN THE MATH AND LOGIC BEHIND THAT. WE DO THAT IN TWO CHUNKS. THE $180 MILLION IS ALREADY AVAILABLE FOR SPENDING. SO WE CAN SPEND IT ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW WHY THE CIP OFFICIAL DECIDED TO PUT HOUSING IN THE SECOND CHUNK, BUT IT HAS ZERO PRACTICAL EFFECT BECAUSE THAT FUND -- THOSE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE TO FEND RIGHT NOW AND ARE BEING SPENT. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. FINAL QUESTION. DID WE ALREADY ASSUME THIS FUNDING IN OUR BUDGET FOR AFFORDABLE HOUTS HOUSING? >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, THE HOUSING MONEY IS CAPITAL. IT'S IN THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND PROGRAM. THAT IS SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM OUR OPERATING BUDGET. >>COUN. ROGERS: RIGHT. I'M ASKING IS IT GOING TO BE IN THAT BUDGET. IN OUR NEXT CIP BUDGET. WILL AFFORDABLE HOUSING FROM THIS BOND BE THERE? >> COUNCILOR PEÑA, COUNCILOR ROGERS, SINCE IT WAS ALREADY APPROPRIATED, IT'S ALREADY BEEN -- THE DEPARTMENT ALREADY HAS AUTHORITY TO SPEND DOWN THAT FUNDING. I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO DIRECTOR RAMIREZ TO ADDRESS THE EXACT PLAN FOR THAT FUNDING. IT HAS BEEN ALREADY APPROPRIATED THROUGH COUNCIL ACTION. >>COUN. ROGERS: OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR TELLES. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE SERIES C BONDS. AND WHY THEY'RE SHORT-TERM TAXABLE BONDS. IS THERE A REASON FOR THE CASH FLOW BRIDGE IN HERE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES YES. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF GOOD REASONS WHY THAT IS DONE. THE 2026A BONDS AND 2026B BONDS ARE LONG-TERM DEBT. YOU LOOK AT THOSE OVER 15-YEAR PERIOD TO REPAY THOSE. THE 2026C BONDS, THERE IS MONEY COMING IN FROM YOUR DEBT SERVICE LEVY BASED ON APPRAISED VALUES OR SET VALUES OF HOMES AND THE PROPERTY TAXES COMING IN. I THINK IN TERMS OF SETTING THAT BY MUNICIPAL ADVISOR IN THE CITY, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE PERIODS WHERE THERE'S MORE COMING IN THAN NEEDED FOR DEBT SERVICE. ALTHOUGH THE MILL LEVY MUST BE USED FOR DEBT SERVICE. IN THIS CASE, THERE'S $25 MILLION OF EXCESS DEBT SERVICE MONEY SET IN THERE THAT MUST GO TOWARD DEBT SERVICE. BY DOING A ONE-DAY BOND, SHORT-TERM BOND WITH THE STATE TREASURER, YOU'RE ISSUING THE BOND AND PAYING IT BACK. THE STATE TREASURER GIVES YOU THE MONEY YOU ACCUMULATED. BUT YOU CAN DO IT TAXABLE SO THE IRS DOES NOT HAVE SAY. ALL THE VARIOUS RULES AND REGERATIONS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH IDO, ALL OF THE STATE LAW THINGS, THE IRS IS NOT INVOLVED IN THE SHORT-TERM BOND. NOR ARE YOU GETTING DEBT OVER LONG-TERM DOLLARS. THERE'S MONEY SET THAT CAN'T BE USED EXCEPT FOR DEBT SERVICE. PERIODICALLY, YOU HAVE A SHORT-TERM DEBT TO USE THE FUNDS SO THEY CAN BE CONVERTED TO CAPITAL USE FOR THE PROJECTS. THEY STILL GO TOWARD THE SAME VOTER APPROVED PROJECT, YOU'RE JUST NOT INCURRING THE LIABILITY LONG-TERM AND PAYING INTEREST IN ON IT. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. ARE WE HAVING -- I MEAN -- I GUESS I'M CONCERNED THERE'S SOME BACKDOOR BUDGETING GOING ON WITH THIS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE WAS. IT SEEMS STANDARD ON THAT PIECE. I DID HAVE A QUESTION -- THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU. MADAM PRESIDENT, ONE MORE QUESTION FOR OUR WONDERFUL DIRECTOR. ON THE PROJECT -- OF THE PROJECTS BEING FUNDED, HOW MANY ARE SHOVEL-READY? >> PLEASE RESTATE THE QUESTION. I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION. >>COUN. TELLES: I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY PROJECTS ARE SHOVEL-READY. JUST SO WE'RE NOT HAVING IDLE MONEY THERE AND INTEREST OCCURRING. I JUST WANT TO SPEND IT WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY EXTRA INTEREST. >> COUNCILOR PEÑA, COUNCILOR TELLES, WE HAVE $180 MILLION IN PROJECTS. MANY OF THOSE HAVE ALREADY STARTED. THEY'RE ALREADY IN CONSTRUCTION. FOR EXAMPLE, MY STREETS TEAM, WE GET A PENNY AND IT'S ALREADY SPENT. I THINK DIRECTOR SIMON IS -- I LOOK AT THE SSR EVERY MONTH AND I'M LIKE NICE WORK. BUT IT REALLY DEPENDS. BECAUSE SOME OF THE PROJECTS -- FOR EXAMPLE, THE POOL, WE'RE IN CONSTRUCTION BUT WE STILL NEED MORE MONEY. IF WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE MONEY AVAILABLE AND WE NEED FOR STATE CAPITAL OUTLAY, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO START CONSTRUCTION IMMEDIATELY. BELIEVE ME. MY TEAM IS AWARE THAT EVERY DAY WE WAIT ON A PROJECT THAT COSTS US MORE MONEY. SO, WE DO EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN TO SPEND THAT MONEY AS QUICKLY AS WE HAVE IT. AND WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT OLDER MONEY TO MAKE SURE IT'S GETTING SPENT DOWN. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND, MADAM PRESIDENT. I UNDERSTAND COSTS ARE INCREASING. FOR THOSE PROJECTS THAT HAD TO WAIT FOR THAT MONEY TO COME IN, HOW MUCH HAVE A LOT OF -- HAVE A LOT OF THINGS CHANGED AS FAR AS COST? ARE WE SEEING INCREASES ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT NOW. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE -- WE HAD PROJECTS WE HAD TO WAIT. THE COST CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY FROM WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY BID AND ACCEPTED. WHATEVER THOSE CHANGE REQUESTS MIGHT BE AND WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE. AND FOR ANY PROJECTS THAT HAVEN'T YET STARTED, BUT ARE SHOVEL READY TOWARDS THESE DOLLARS, IF I CAN GET A LIST OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKIES WELL. >> COUNCILOR PEÑA, COUNCILOR TELLES, ABOUT NINE MONTHS AGO WE DID DO A STUDY. WE HAD SOME CHARTS AND GRAPHS ABOUT COST ESCALATION WE'RE SEEING IN NEW MEXICO. I JUST ASKED MY TEAM TO UPDATE THOSE SO WE CAN SHARE AS WE KICK OFF OUR PLANNING CYCLE THAT'S STARTING NOW. THOSE ARE QUESTIONS AT THE TOP OF OUR MINDS BECAUSE FOR ALL THE REASONS YOU MENTIONED, COST ESCALATION IS A THING. COST WILL NEVER GO DOWN. WHEN WE PRICE A PROJECT, WE BUILD A CONTINGENCY KNOWING THAT WE EXPECT TO SEE PRICE ESCALATION. IF WE'RE EARLY DESIGN IN OUR CONTRACTORS GET AN ESTIMATE AND WE KNOW WE DON'T BE READY TO BUILD IT UNTIL A YEAR LATER, FOR EXAMPLE, WE WILL HAVE A 20-30% CONTINGENCY TO ALLOW FOR WHAT YOU SAID. WE'RE ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT THAT. I'M HAPPY TO GET YOU MORE NUMBERS IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >>COUN. TELLES: THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME. I WAS NOT HERE NINE MONTHS AGO. YES, IF YOU CAN GET THAT TO ME, I'D APPRECIATE IT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? FINAL QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR GROUT TO CLOSE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL AS SUBSTITUTED. O-20. SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR GROUT. R-10. . >>COUN. GROUT: R-10 AUTHORIZING THE GIVING OF NOTICES FOR BIDS FOR THE SALE OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS, CONSISTING OF $56 MILLION GENERAL OBLIGATION GENERAL PURPOSE BONDS. AND $8.2 MILLION GENERAL OBLIGATION STORM SERIES BONDS. SERIES 2026P. -- 2026B. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S MOTION AND SECOND FOR DO PASS OF R-10. SECOND WAS BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: MADAM PRESIDENT, THERE IS A FLOOR SUB. I'D LIKE TO MOVE FLOOR SUB R-26-10. >>COUN. PEÑA: MOTION AND SECOND FOR FLOOR SUBSTITUTE TO R-10 BY COUNCILOR BASSAN. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS IS JUST A COMPANION RESOLUTION TO THE BOND ORDINANCE WE JUST PASSED. IT AUTHORIZES AND DIRECTS THE CITY CLERK TO PUBLISH NOTICE OF THE CITY'S GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND SALE. THE DEBT SERVICE ON THESE BONDS WILL BE REPAID FROM PROPERTY TAX REVENUE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR FLOOR SUB. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR GROUT, BACK ON THE BILL AS SUBSTITUTED. >>COUN. GROUT: I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. PEÑA: SEEING NO QUESTIONS. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GO INTO APPEALS, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK. WE'LL RETURN AT 7:55. >>COUN. PEÑA: WE'RE BACK, EVERYONE. WE'RE NOW ON APPEALS. AC-02. MS. SOLIZ, APPLICANT, APPEALS THE ZONING HEARING EXAMINER'S DECISION TO DENY VARIANCE OF THREE FEET TO INSTALL SIX-FOOT PERIMETER STEEL FENCE FRONT YARD FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 237 WYOMING BOULEVARD NORTHEAST. ZONED MX-M. ZA202500162. MR. HALL IS HERE TO EXPLAIN BECAUSE THIS MATTER IS GOING TO BE WITHDRAWN. >> COUNCILOR PEÑA, THAT'S CORRECT. FROM THE PENDENCY OF THE LAST MEETING WHERE THE COUNCIL VOTED TO REJECT THE LUHO RECOMMENDATION AND SCHEDULE A FULL HEARING WHICH WOULD HAVE FALLEN ON THIS COUNCIL, THE APPLICANT REACHED OUT BY EMAIL AND ASKED TO WITHDRAW THE APPEAL AFTER CONFIRMATION WE RECEIVED -- COUNCIL SERVICES RECEIVED COMMUNICATION FROM THE APPLICANT REQUESTING IT WOULD BE WITHDRAWN. ALL IT REQUIRES IS FOR THE BODY TO ACCEPT THE WITHDRAWAL. >>COUN. ROGERS: I MOVE FOR WITHDRAWAL. >>COUN. GROUT: SECOND. >>COUN. PEÑA: MOTION, AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. WE'RE NOW ON AC-03. MATTHEW CUNNINGHAM APPEAL DECISIONING HEARING EXAMINER DECISION TO REJECT FIVE-FOOT WALL. ZONED MX-M. MR. HALL WILL EXPLAIN THIS APPEAL. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THIS APPEAL CONCERNS A PROPOSED VARIANCE OF 2 FEET TEN INCHES TO INSTALL A FENCE AT 2513 4th STREET, ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO. THIS IS COUNCIL DISTRICT TW IT'S AT THE INTERSECTION OF MENAUL AND 4th STREET. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS PROPOSED TO BE USED A BRIEF JERKY MANUFACTURING AND SALES FACILITY. UPON APPLICATION FOR THE VARIANCE OFT OF THE ZHE, THE ZHE FOUND NO SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES. AND BECAUSE ALL PRONGS OF THE VARIANCE TESTS, WHICH ARE FIVE, NEED TO BE SATISFIED AND THERE WERE NO SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, THE ZHE DID NOT NEED TO EXAMINE THE OTHER PRONGS OF THE VARIANCE TEST. THE APPLICANT APPEALED THE ZHE'S DENIAL. GENERALLY ARGUING THREE POINTS. FIRST OF WHICH IS THE FIVE CRITERIA UNDER THE VARIANCE TEST WERE NOT -- WERE DISCRETIONARY, NOT MANDATORY. SECONDLY, THAT THE PRESENCE OF CRIME AND UNHOUSED FOLKS AND DRUGS CONSTITUTED SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES. AND THIRD, THE ZHE APPLIED THE VARIANCE TEST IN A DISCRIMINATORY, AEROBICITARY OR CAPRICIOUS MANNER. THE LUHO HELD A HEARING ON THIS MATTER AND REJECTED ALL THREE OF THE ARGUMENTS. FIRST OF WHICH, THE LUHO HELD THE VARIANCE CRITERIA, WHICH THERE ARE FIVE CRITERIA, MUST ALL BE MET. THE RULE STATES THE VARIANCE SHALL BE APPROVED IF IT MEETS ALL FIVE CRITERIA. IT IS NOT DISCRETIONARY. SECONDLY, THE LUHO INDICATED THAT THE CRIME, DRUG USE, UNHOUSED PERSONS IN THE VICINITY DO NOT CONSTITUTE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES. AND PULLED FROM THE TESTIMONY THAT THEY ARE HAVING A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH WITH THE HOMELESS JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. THE LUHO REASONED IF THEY'RE HAVING PROBLEMS SIMILAR TO EVERYBODY ELSE, IT CAN'T BE A SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCE. LAST, THE APPLICANT -- THE LUHO REJECTED THE ARGUMENT THAT THE NEIGHBORING FENCES IN THE AREA WERE SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO SHOW THE ZHE APPLIED THE THE REQUIREMENTS IN A CAPRICIOUS MANNER. HE NOTED THESE FENCES WERE GRANTED CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WERE WITHOUT SUFFICIENT FACT FOR A FAIR COMPARISON. THE APPLICANT'S THEORY OF DISCRIMINATION HAS LACK OF SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. AND UPHOLDING THE DECISION WOULD NOT LEAVE THE APPLICANT WITHOUT OPTIONS TO SECURE THE PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT COULD CONSTRUCT A FENCING WITHOUT THE VARIANCE OR SETBACK. OR CONSTRUCT THE FENCE TO FIVE FEET IF IT'S SET BACK AND LANDSCAPING IS INSTALLED PURSUANT TO IDO57-3BC. THE LUHO RECOMMENDATION IS UPHOLD THE FINDING AND DENY THE VARIANCE AND APPEAL. I STAND FOR QUESTIONS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. HALL. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HALL. I'M GOING TO READ OPTIONS AND I'LL GO TO COUNCILOR BACA BECAUSE THIS IS IN HIS DISTRICT. THE OPTIONS ARE TO ACCEPT LUHO RECOMMENDATION AND FINDING. TWO IS ACCEPT RECOMMENDATION AND ADOPT DIFFERENT FINDINGS. AND LASTLY, REJECT LUHO RECOMMENDATION. COUNCILOR BACA, YOU FIRST. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HALL. I THINK IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR-CUT. THERE'S FIVE THINGS TO HAVE FINDINGS TO BE MADE. THEY WEREN'T FOUND. OF COURSE, I DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE HOMELESS AND CRIME THROUGHOUT OUR CITY. IN FRONT OF MY OWN HOUSE, TO BE HONEST. THAT SAID, WE ARE A QUASI-JUDICIAL AND OUR JOB IS TO LOOK AT THE FACTS OF THE CASE AS THEY ARE. TAKE OUR BIAS OUT OF IT, AND FOLLOW THE RULES AS THEY HAVE BEEN CREATED. WITH THAT, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE LUHO RECOMMENDATION OF THE FINDINGS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE LUHO RECOMMENDATION AND FINDINGS BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND COUNCILOR TELLES. YOU PICK. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'M GOING TO DEFER IT TO THE COUNCILOR WHOSE MAKING -- WHO'S MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION. THIS IS REMARKABLE. THERE'S BEEN MORE OF THESE BEFORE THE COUNCIL. MORE THAN EVER, I THINK. SINCE I'VE BEEN AROUND. BUT YOU HAVE TO -- I THINK YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE OUTRIGHT DESPERATION AMONG OUR BUSINESS OWNERS IN THESE AREAS. I THINK COUNCILOR BACA IS RECOGNIZING THAT TOO. IT'S PRETTY REMARKABLE THAT OUR BUSINESS OWNERS AND PARTS OF OUR CITY ARE HAVING TO RESORT TO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THEY CAN. THIS IS SOMETHING SOMEONE DEALING WITH THE CRIME AND DRUGS AND HOMELESSNESS THAT'S AFFECTS THEIR BUSINESS. I HAVE TO WONDER IF THIS IS SOME OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE LOSING BUSINESSES IN OUR CITY. PEOPLE ARE LEAVING OUR CITY. AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY START LOOKING AT OUR -- SOME OF THESE ZONING AND VARIANCES AND TO BE ABLE TO HELP FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY. JUST TO DO BUSINESS. TO BE ABLE TO EMPLOY PEOPLE AND DO BUSINESS. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO REALLY WORK HARD ON SOME OF THE THINGS PLAGUING OUR CITY RIGHT NOW, WHICH MAKES OUR BUDGET IMPORTANT. IT MAKES OUR EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR DEPARTMENTS AND PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE AS A CITY IMPORTANT. WHEN WE'RE SPENDING $55,000 PER HOMELESS INDIVIDUAL IN OUR CITY RIGHT NOW, THIS COUNCIL OR THIS MAYOR IS PROPOSING RIGHT NOW. WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND PROPOSING, AND WE REALLY HAVE TO STOP AND GO, YOU KNOW, IS THIS WORKING? AND IF NOT, WHAT CAN WE DO TO REALLY HELP THESE BUSINESS OWNERS TO BE ABLE TO JUST TO DO BUSINESS IN OUR CITY? I THINK THAT'S AT THE HEART OF THE ISSUE. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCILOR LEWIS. AND I UNDERSTAND COUNCILOR BACA'S RECOMMENDATION. AND FOLLOWING THE LAW AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. WE HAVE TO TAKE OUR BIAS OUT. LIKE YOU SAID. WITH THAT SAID, TODAY, A CUSTOMER OF MINE PICKED UP THEIR CAR AND THEY -- IT WAS TIMELY THEY SAID THIS. THEY SAID, I DIDN'T KNOW YOU'RE A COUNCILOR. HE SAID, YOU KNOW, EIGHT YEARS AGO CENTRAL LOOKED A LOT DIFFERENT THAN IT DOES NOW. IF YOU GO UP AND DOWN CENTRAL THERE'S FENCES UP AND DOWN CENTRAL. IT'S LIKE THE BUSINESSES AND THE EMPLOYEES ARE HAVING TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM THE OUTSIDE. AND IT'S SAD BECAUSE IT'S TRUE. ABOUT SIX WEEKS AGO, I GOT VANDALIZED AGAIN. AND SOMEONE SAID YOU SHOULD PUT A FENCE AROUND YOUR PROPERTY. I'M LIKE, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO -- NUMBER ONE, WE DON'T MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO PUT UP A $100,000 FENCE. I'M NOT GOING TO PUT MYSELF BEHIND A FENCE. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE THAT WAY. IT'S SAD THAT BUSINESSES FEEL THE NEED TO DO THAT. IT'S UNFORTUNATE. GOVERNMENT'S JOB IS TO PROTECT US. AND IT MAKES ME SAD WHEN WE FAIL. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. WITH THAT, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANY FINAL WORDS, COUNCILOR BACA? >>COUN. BACA: SURE. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COUNCILOR LEWIS AND COUNCILOR GROUT. WE REACHED A POINT WHERE ACROSS THE CITY FENCE IS WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO TURN TO. IT DOESN'T SEND A GOOD MESSAGE. JUST LIKE COUNCILOR GROUT JUST SAID. WHAT DOES SAY IF ALL OF OUR BUSINESSES HAVE GIANT FENCES IN FRONT OF THEM? TYPICALLY, IT'S NOT WHERE YOU WANT TO BE. THAT'S ACROSS OUR CITY. AND WHILE WE MAY NEED THOSE FENCES AND I LIVE DOWNTOWN, I KNOW WHAT EVERYONE IS GOING THROUGH. WE WANT EVERYONE TO THRIVE HERE. BUT WE DO NEED TO GET TO THE ROOT CAUSE. THAT SAID, THIS IS AN APPEAL THAT GUESS TO DISTRICT COURT AND YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON EMOTIONS AND NOT WHAT THE RULES ARE. I VERY MUCH WANT TO HELP BUSINESS. AND ALL BUSINESSES. WITH THAT, I URGE EVERYONE'S SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BACA. IN THE MATTER OF AC-03, THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION AND FINDINGS. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. WE'RE NOW ON TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE LIVE MROOIK -- PUBLIC COMMENT IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY IF THEY SIGNED UP ON THE AGENDA ON FRIDAY EACH PARTICIPANT HAS TWO MINUTES, COMMENTS ARE TO BE ADDRESSED TO THE COUNCILORS ONLY THROUGH THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT. ANY DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT WILL RESULT IN REMOVAL FROM THE MEETING. THERE'S A TWO-MINUTE TIME LIMIT AND THE BELL WILL RING TO INDICATE YOUR TIME IS UP. PURSUANT TO THE RULES AND PROCEDURES ARTICLE WHEREIN SECTION 8C, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT SHALL NOT BE PERMITTED ON QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTERS. NO COMMENTS INCLUDING CITY STREET RENAMING, LUHO APPEAL WE HEARD. FAILURE TO COMPLY MAY RESULT IN YOU BEING CUTOFF. PLEASE TAKE THIS TIME TO EDIT YOUR COMMENT. PLEASE NAME OF THE FIRST SPEAKER. >> JANET SHIFTED TO ZOOM. FIRST UP IS LISA FOLLOWED BY GRACE. >> IN LIGHT OF THE 4-20 DAYS, JUST AS A JOKE, WE'RE FRIENDS NOW. ONE MINUTE, I LOOKED AT 4-20 AND IT SAID 1 MINUTE UNTIL 4/19. YOU GET IT? HAPPY 4-20. COUNCILOR PEÑA, COUNCILORS, I THOUGHT I'D START ON A LIGHT NOTE. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LEGALIZED THC IN NEW MEXICO. COMPASSION REQUIRES EMPATHY AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS CAUSING A PROBLEM THAT HUMANS FACE. THE SWEEPS AND MOVING HUMANS AROUND TOWN AND HIDING THEM FROM PUBLIC VIEW. IT'S NOT THE LONG-TERM LOOK WE WANT FOR OUR CITY. WHAT THEN CAN WE DO? CIVIL SUITS HAVE BEEN SETTLED WITH THE CITY FOR INTERACTIONS WITH OUR UNHOUSED. THESE PEOPLE WITH MENTAL HEALTH BUSINESSES. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE US. BY THE WAY, COUNCILOR BACA, IN THE FUTURE, COUNCILOR PEÑA, FOR THE COUNCILOR WHO IS PROPOSING O-6-24, I WENT OUT YESTERDAY. A GROUP OF US WENT WITH SKYLINE ON THE STREET AND -- THANK YOU, SO MUCH, COUNCILOR ROGERS. WE HAD A GREAT INTERACTION FOR A GOOD TWO HOURS. AND RIGHT AT THE END, I LEARNED OF THE SITUATION WE HAVE NO MEDICAL SERVICES ON THE WEEKENDS FOR FOLKS WHO -- THIS GUY WAS BLEEDING. HE WAS IN A DIABETIC. IT WAS A BAD PROBLEM. THE POLICE SHOWED UP FIRST. WE CAN WORK ON THAT LATER. I WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND VISIT WITH US. IF YOU LIKE SKYLINE, WHY DON'T YOU DO PATROL WITH HIM? YOU CAN SEE THE IMPACT OF THE ORDINANCE. THERE ARE OTHER SOLUTIONS TO INCARCERATION. TOO PAD WE HAVE WEAK LEADERSHIP IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, AND AN ALBUQUERQUE COUNCIL WITH THE GOP LEAN. AND TWO PEOPLE VOTING THAT WAY. IT DOESN'T GIVE US A WHOLE LOT OF HOPE THAT SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WILL BE ADDRESSED. THANK YOU. >> GRACE FOLLOWED BY LEX. >> WE'RE AT A CROSSROADS. WILL THE CITY EMPRAISE PROGRESS? ESPECIALLY RUNNING THE GREAT CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE INTO THE GROUND. THAT IS THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU TODAY. THAT IS THE QUESTION PRESENTED TO YOU IN THE PAST. IT USED TO BE 5-4 VOTES OF THINGS STAYING THE SAME WAY. WITH THE ADDITION OF COUNCILOR BACA AFTER LAST MEETING THERE ARE NOW 6-3. ROUTINELY YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO CONTINUE WITH BUSINESS AS USUAL JUST LIKE MAYOR CELL. WHETHER IT'S ZONER OR RANKED CHOICE VOTING. YOU HAVE SHOWN YOUR CONSULTANTS OWN YOU. IT IS ALL OUT THERE IN PLAIN SIGHT. YOU VOTE AGAINST US BECAUSE ONLY VOICE YOUR ACCOUNTABLE TO IS YOUR CAMPAIGN MANAGERS. YOU WILL CONTINUE TO PUSH DRACONIAN POLICY TO CRIMINALIZE HOMELESSNESS WHILE DRIVING UP THE COST OF HOUSING FOR PRIVATE EQUITY LANDLORD BUDDIES. SO MUCH THAT WE'RE FORCED ON THE STREET BECAUSE WE CANNOT AFFORD HOUSING. WHEN WILL YOU STOP PRIVATE EQUITY? WHEN WILL YOU STOP THEM FROM SCAVENINGING OUR CITY? WHEN WILL YOU TAKE A STAND? BECAUSE YOUR CAMPAIGN MANAGER OWNS YOU. YOU DO WHAT THEY SAY. YOU WILL CONTINUE TO DO NOTHING AND CUT ESSENTIAL SERVICES LIKE TRANSIT TO LEAVE US WITH LESS OPTIONS AND A WORSE ECONOMY. YOU'LL CONTINUE TO CLAIM YOUR DISTRICTS WHILE NOT LISTENING TO OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FOR POSITIONS THAT YOU VOTE AGAINST. YOU WILL CONTINUE TO VOTE AGAINST YOUR CONSTITUENTS UNTIL YOU'RE UP FOR REELECTION WHEN YOU WILL SUDDENLY PIVOT. I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT THE PEOPLE WILL NOT FORGET YOU VOTED AGAINST THEM. WE WILL FIND BETTER REPRESENTATION THAT WILL VOTE US FOR IF YOU CONTINUE VOTING AGAINST US. IN HONOR OF 4-20, THANK YOU FOR LEGAL WEED. IT IS GOING TO BECOME A NECESSITY FOR US STRUGGLING TO STAY AFLOAT WITH DEPRESSING NEWS COMING FROM THIS CHAMBER AS YOU MAKE OUR DAILY LIVES UNBEARABLE. THANK YOU. >> LEX FOLLOWED BY BRICK. >> OVERHEAD, PLEASE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THIS NEW MEXICAN LAW. IT'S CRIMES AGAINST PUBLIC PEACE. IT'S NOT JUST STAFF AND PUBLIC OFFICIALS, BUT IT'S ALSO FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC. PAY NOTE TO A, NO PERSON SHALL AT OR IN ANY BUILDING OR OTHER FACILITY OR PROPERTY OWNED, OPERATED OR CONTROLLED BY THE STATE, OR ANY POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS WILLFULLY DENY TO STAFF, PUBLIC OFFICIALS, OR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, LAWFUL FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT WITHIN THE BUILDING OR FACILITY OR THE LAND OF WHICH IT IS SITUATED. LAWFUL USE OF THE BUILDING OR FACILITY OR THE LAND ON WHICH IT IS SITUATED. OR THE RIGHT OF LAWFUL INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THE BUILDING OR THE FACILITY OR THE LAND ON WHICH IT IS SITUATED. ANY PERSON WHO VIOLATES THIS PROVISION SHALL BE DEEMED GUILTY OF A PETTY MISDEMEANOR. NO PERSON SHALL WILLFULLY REFUSE OR OBEY TO LEAVE THE PROPERTY OR ANY OTHER BUILDINGS OR FACILITIES OWNED OR OPERATED IF THE PERSON IS COMMITTING A CRIME. I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING US OUR TWO MINUTES TODAY. I'D ALSO LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT WE'D LIKE TO GET THE COMMENTS PUT BACK. I DON'T THINK THEY WERE EVER THERE, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE THE COMMENTS ON YOUTUBE SO PEOPLE THAT CAN'T BE HERE CAN EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS. THANK YOU. >> BRICK FOLLOWED BY DIANE. >> OVERHEAD PLEASE. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON THE STATUTE YOU JUST HEARD. YOU SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH IT. THE ORDINANCE REALLY SHOULD REFLECT IT. REALLY, THE CRUX OF THE MATTER IS THE RIGHT OF LAWFUL INGRESS AND EGRESS. IF YOU RENT A SPACE LIKE A PRIVATE SPACE, IT'S RENTED FROM LOTUS MANAGEMENT. WHICH IS A PRIVATE COMPANY. YOU RENT THE BUILDING, OR YOU RENT THE ACCESS, SO LAWFUL INGRESS AND EGRESS MEANS YOU GO IN AND OUT. YOU CAN'T BE STOPPED FROM GOING IN THERE. WE CAN'T BE STOPPED FROM GOING IN THERE. WE COULD BE TRESPASSED IF WE'RE COMMITTING A CRIME. TECHNICALLY, IF WE'RE COMMITTING A CRIME, YOU CAN ARREST A PERSON. I DON'T SEE THE REASON YOU WOULD TRESPASS THEM. ARREST THEM. IF THEY'RE NOT COMMITTING A CRIME, AND THEY NEED ACCESS TO THE SERVICES, THE PUBLIC ENTITY WITHIN THAT BUILDING, JUST LIKE THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE, YOU CANNOT TRESPASS SOMEONE FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS. AND COUPLED IN THAT IS E, NOTHING SHALL PREVENT LAWFUL ASSEMBLY AND PEACEFUL ORDER PUFRIGZ PETITION FOR THE REGRESS OF GRIEVANCE. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO DO IPRA IF EVERY TIME I GO TO THE PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE OR TRESPASS US? YOUR OFFICERS WHO HAVEN'T SWORN THEIR OATH ARE INTERFERING WITH MY RIGHTS. THEY'RE COMMITTING CRIMES. THESE ARE CRIMES. I DI JUST ARREST ME IF I'M COMMITTING A CRIME. DON'T TRESPASS ME. FAIR ENOUGH? THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> DIANE FOLLOWED BY CLAY. >> HI, THERE. I AM THE CHAIR OF THE ALBUQUERQUE OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD. AND AS SUCH, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT AS YOU DISSECT THE BUDGET AND AS YOU GO THROUGH YOUR MEETING, YOU REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT MAINTAINING THE BUDGET FOR THE OPEN SPACE DIVISION. MAYBE IN LIGHT OF INCREASING ENTRANCE FEES OR OTHER FEES AT THE OPEN SPACE DIVISION. IN 1989, I CHAIRED THE NATIONAL OPEN SPACE CONFERENCE HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE. WE HAD OVER 250 OPEN SPACE ADVOCATES FROM MAUI AND NANTUCKET. I INVITED STEWART UDALL. HE ANNOUNCED THAT ALBUQUERQUE HAD THE BEST OPEN SPACE SYSTEM. THAT SENDS CHILLS DOWN BY SPINE. I BELIEVE WE STILL DO, 37 YEARS LATER. WE HAVE ONE OF THE BEST OPEN SPACE SYSTEMS IN THE COUNTRY. IT'S NOT JUST 30,000 ACRES OF WHAT WE CALL THE BIG FOOTHILLS, BOSQUE, AND WEST MESA VOLCANOS. IT'S THE LONG SKINNY GUYS THAT CONNECT THOSE. ARROYOS GARDENS ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES. WE CAN'T OPERATE BY JUST OPENING A GATE AND UNLOCKING A GATE. WE REALLY NEED OUR STAFF. I KNOW THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND BOTH COMMITTEES AS A WHOLE WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS. IT'S OPERATING A BARE BONES MINIMUM. WE'RE BARELY OPERATING. IN 1990, BECAUSE OF THE REPUTATION, ALBUQUERQUE WAS ASKED TO COOPERATIVELY MANAGE PETROGLYPH NATIONAL MONUMENT. THERE ARE 434 UNITS OF THE NATIONAL PARK SYSTEM. ALBUQUERQUE IS THE ONLY ONE OF THOSE. I ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT MAINTAINING THE BUDGET. THANK YOU. >> CLAY FOLLOWED BY JOHN. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. MADAM PRESIDENT, MY NAME IS CLAY. I'M A MEMBER OF THE OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD. I WON'T GET INTO THE LEGACY OF OPEN SPACE. BUT I THINK WE CAN AGREE IT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE HAS AND SHOULD BE PROUD OF NATIONALLY. IT'S THAT LEGACY THAT YOU'RE A BIG PART OF. WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT LEGACY THROUGH DEATH BY A THOUSAND CUTS. I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF PROPERTIES ADDED TO IT IN RECENT YEARS. THE POOL PROPERTY. THE BLUFFS. TIJERAS BIO ZONE. ROUTE 66 OPEN SPACE. CANDELARIA PRESERVE AND TREE NURSY. THE PUBLIC LOVES ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES AND THE OTHER ONES DIANE MENTIONED. THE TRAIL USE HAVE, THOSE ARE VITAL. 168 MILES OF THEM. EVERYBODY'S DISTRICT HAS THESE FACILITIES. AND ALL OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS VALUES ALL OF THIS. MY RESPECTFUL REQUEST TO YOU TODAY IS AS YOU PROCEED WITH YOUR BUDGET DELIBERATIONS AND CONSIDER REQUESTS AND CUTS, THINK ABOUT WHAT THE RIPPLE EFFECT OF THIS COULD BE WITH DECREASED HOURS, DECREASED ACCESSIBILITY, TALLER WEEDS, TRASH NOT BEING TAKEN OUT. AND THE SYSTEM COULD SUFFER WITH LESS PERSONNEL TO DO THE NECESSARY WORK, ESPECIALLY THAT'S REQUIRED WITH THE ACREAGE. I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL STAFF. YOU HAVE EXCELLENT LEADERSHIP. DIRECTOR SIMON AND SUPERINTENDENT McROBERTS. AND THEIR STAFF IS AWESOME. I HOPE YOU RECOGNIZE THAT AND ACT ACCORDINGLY. THANK YOU. >> JOHN FOLLOWED BY FABIAN. FOLLOWED BY JAMES. JAMES FOLLOWED BY TAD. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, YOU ARE NOW ENTERING THE PROCESS OF REVIEW FOR THE 2027 BUDGET PROPOSED BY THE MAYOR OF ALBUQUERQUE. I AM REQUESTING, AS A TAXPAYER, YOU CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING FACTS. FROM 2010, THE LAST YEAR OF MAYOR CHAVEZ ADMINISTRATION TO 2018, THE LAST YEAR OF THE BERRY ADMINISTRATION, THE TOTAL CITY BUDGET INCREASED BY 6%. FROM THE INAUGURAL 2019 BUDGET UNDER MAYOR KELLER TO HIS 2027 PROPOSAL, IT HAS GROWN BY 47%. THAT'S AN INCREASE OF HALF A BILLION DOLLARS. WE ARE NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO BE 47% BIGGER AS A CITY BY POPULATION OR GEOGRAPHY. THE COMMERCIAL CONDITION AND APPEARANCE OF OUR CITY AS MEASURED BY EMPTY PREMISES AND ABANDONED BUILDINGS AND VACANT LOTS HAS WORSENED. THE SCALE OF THE UNHOUSED PERSONS HAS NOT BEEN REDUCED WHILE THE CITY PAYS ON OUT OF STATE LAW FIRM $500 AN HOUR TO DEFEND IT FROM LAWSUITS THAT ARE BROUGHT TO PROTECT OUR MOST VULNERABLE POPULATION OF UNHOUSED PEOPLE FROM POLICIES THAT INCARCERATE THEM OR SWEEP THEM DOWN THE STREET FROM ONE PLACE LOCATION TO ANOTHER LOCATION. COMPOUNDING THE DAMAGE AND TRAUMA AND BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CRISIS THAT KEEPS THEM IN THAT POSITION. I HOPE THAT YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THAT THE SCALE OF THIS BUDGET SHOULD PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. WHICH CONNECTS TO SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE WRONG IN OUR CITY. I URGE YOUR DILIGENT FORENSIC ATTENTION TO THIS BUDGET PROCESS. THANK YOU. >> TAD FOLLOWED BY JOSH. >> LOWER IT DOWN. MY NAME IS TAD. WELL, HOW MANY PEOPLE IN ALBUQUERQUE KNOWS THAT WE DO HAVE AT CITY HALL IMMIGRANT IMMIGRATION OFFICE? THAT'S RIGHT. IN THIS BUILDING, WE PAY FOR THIS EMPLOYEE AND THIS OFFICE. AND SERVICES THEY'RE PROVIDING. NOW, WE HAVE ALSO -- WHAT THEY HAVE IN COMMON? CENTRAL MEXICNO AND MIGRANT. SAME THINGS. RACIST DISCRIMINATION. YES, THEY DISCRIMINATED. MAYOR DON'T GIVE A DAMN. I'M TALKING TO TWO OF YOU. THEY DO NOT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT TRUTH. WHAT'S GOING ON WITH YOUR OFFICE. WELL, THREE TIMES I WAS SENT PRO BONO TO MIGRANT OFFICE. AND ACTUALLY, TWO, THIRD AND ONE THEY TOLD ME THEY HAVE OPEN HOUSE OF EL CENTRO MEXICANO. >>COUN. PEÑA: PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS THROUGH ME. WE'LL GIVE YOU YOUR TIME BACK. YOU NEED TO DRKT YOUR COMMENTS THROUGH PRESIDENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH WAY I'M LOOKING. THESE TWO OFFICIAL -- I'M SORRY. THAT'S MORE THAN 11 SECONDS. ARE YOU RUNNING DELIBERATELY? >>COUN. PEÑA: YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL TIME. GO AHEAD. >> I'M SORRY? >>COUN. PEÑA: FINISH YOUR COMMENTS. I'M GOING TO ALLOW YOU -- >> YOU STOLE MY TIME. >>COUN. PEÑA: NO, I DID NOT. >> GOOD-BYE. I SEE YOU IN THE COURT. >>COUN. PEÑA: GOOD-BYE. >> JOSH FOLLOWED BY ILSE ON ZOOM. ILSE FOLLOW BY NICOLE. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. THE 2022 WILLIAM -- IS A DESPERATE CRY FOR THE KELLER ADMINISTRATION TO STOP DISPLACING PEOPLE AND TAKING THEIR -- THE KILLER ADMIN REMAINS HELL BENT ON FIGHTING RATHER THAN FINDING SOLUTIONS. BASICALLY, THE FIGHT IS TO SIMPLY CHASE PEOPLE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH NO POSITIVE OUTCOME. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS HAVE LEFT THE STATE. AT LEAST ONE OF THE BIGGER TRIAL ATTORNEYS GETS $500 PER HOUR. HE SPECIALIZES IN WRITING BRIEF AND THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY PLANNING TO PUSH THE CASE TO -- [ INAUDIBLE ]. REFUSING TO COMPLY WITH DISCOVERY PROEALITY PROTO THE TRIAL DATE HAS BEEN PUSHED BACK. THE CITY DOESN'T NEED TO COMPLY. TONIGHT, ANOTHER 200 [ INAUDIBLE ]. ON TOP OF ALL THE THOUSANDS OF EMPLOYEE HOURS TO STAND AND OVERSEE SO MANY DISPLACEMENTS ACROSS THE CITY. EVERY SINGLE DAY. NOT KELLER'S MONEY, OUR TAX DOLLARS WASTED. SQUANDERED AND STILL NOTHING POSITIVE TO SHOW. TRAUMATIZING NEIGHBORS AND FOLKS WHO MIGHT NOT EVER BE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY TRANSITION TO LIVING IN SOCIETY. THANK YOU. >> NICOLE FOLLOWED BY JOE. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I HAVE GREAT NEWS. IT'S NATIONAL LIBRARY WEEK. THIS YEAR'S THEME IS FIND YOUR JOY. WHAT BRINGS YOU JOY? WHETHER IT'S COZYING UP WITH A NEW STORY, LEARNING A NEW SKILL, GATHERING WITH COMMUNITY, OR SOMETHING ELSE, YOU CAN FIND YOUR JOY AT THE LIBRARY. NATIONAL LIBRARY WEEK, APRIL 19-25, 2026, IS A TIME TO CELEBRATE THE MANY WAYS LIBRARIES BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER, SPARK IMAGINATION AND SUPPORT LIFELONG LEARNING. FROM BOOK AND DIGITAL RESOURCES TO JOB ASSISTANCE AND CREATIVE PROGRAMMING, LIBRARIES ARE ESSENTIAL TO THRIVING COMMUNITIES. WHETHER YOU'RE A LONGTIME PATRON, NEW NEIGHBOR OR HAVEN'T VISITED IN A WHILE, NOW IS THE PERFECT TIME TO EXPLORE ALL THE LIBRARY HAS TO OFFER. THE ALBUQUERQUE LIBRARY PROVIDES FREE WIFI, PANS, MUSEUM PASSES, AND EVEN SEEDS TO PLANT IN YOUR GARDEN AT HOME. WHATEVER BRINGS YOU JOY, THE LIBRARY HAS SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE. FOR FOLKS WHO ALREADY EXPERIENCE LIBRARY JOY, THIS IS A GREAT WEEK TO BRING SOMEONE WITH YOU WHEN YOU VISIT THE LIBRARY AND HELP THEM SIGN UP FOR A LIBRARY CARD. THIS WEEK AT MY BRANCH, THERE'S A FIBER ARTS GROUP, AN AFTER SCHOOL THEME CLUB, PRE-SCHOOL STORY TIME AND A MOVIE DISCUSSION GROUP FOR ADULTS. WHATEVER BRINGS YOU JOY, YOU CAN FIND IT AT THE LIBRARY. THANK YOU. >> JOE FOLLOWED BY RUDOLPH. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. JUST A QUICK THANK YOU TO COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN FOR BRINGING FORTH O-26-22 WHICH PUTS THE CHIEF REQUIRES TO PROPERTY OWNERS TO REMAIN COOLING SYSTEM AND MEASURABLE STANDARDS. THAT I HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCES WITH. THERE'S AN ELDERLY INDIVIDUAL WHO ALL THAT ISSUE OCCUR LAST YEAR. AND THE PROPERTY OWNER REFUSED TO FIX THE PROBLEM AND WENT WEEKS AT A TIME LAST SUMMER WHILE THE TEMPERATURES WERE IN THE MID-90s AND LOW 100s. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BEARS WORTH FIXING. I ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO PASS THAT AND PUT THAT MEASURABLE STANDARD IN PLACE. I WANT TO MENTION THAT THE BIG PICTURE IS A LOT OF FOLKS ARE ALLUDING TO, IF WE WANT OUR CITY TO STAY VIABLE WE NEED TO ADDRESS HOUSING COSTS AND RENTERS AND WORKING FAMILIES IN THE CITY. AND PROVIDE REAL SOLUTIONS TO HOMELESSNESS. NOT JUST CRIMINALIZING POVERTY AND RUSHING PEOPLE ALONG. AND I JUST WANT TO OFFER A BRIEF COMMENT ABOUT THE PIECE OF LEGISLATION THAT COMES UP SPONSORED BY COUNCILOR BACA IN DISTRICT TWO THAT WOULD DO EXACTLY THAT. IT WOULD PREVENT PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO LIE DOWN OR SIT DOWN OR STAND IN PLACE. THERE'S A LOT OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THAT LEGISLATION. I ENCOURAGE THIS COUNCIL TO THINK CAREFULLY IN THE BIG PICTURE OF THE NATIONAL ECONOMY WORSENING AND FEDERAL POLICIES THAT ARE DRIVING UP COSTS FOR FOLKS AT A VERY FAST RATE. THAT'S NOT THE DIRECTION THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE GOING. ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO MORE WITH LESS WHILE WE'RE SEEING PROJECTS LIKE THE RAIL TRAIL COST $80 MILLION, THE GATEWAY WITH $100 MILLION WITH VERY LITTLE OVERSIGHT FROM THE COUNCIL. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE SEEING THE COUNCIL DOING THE BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY WORK. AND REALLY PROTECTING OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS. THANK YOU. >> RUDOLPH FOLLOWED BY PATRICIA. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILOR PEÑA, COUNCILOR CHAMPIN -- I WANT TO WELCOME COUNCILOR TELLES. I'VE BEEN WATCHING YOU. CONGRATULATIONS FROM TRYING TO BRING RIGHTS TO THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE. AND PRETTY MUCH TAKE CRIME OUT OF THE QUESTION. AND I WILL BE SUPPORTING YOU. WELCOME TO CHIEF BARKER. AND WELCOME MR. BUJANDA. I WISH I HAD PUBLIC COMMENT. THEY WERE NOT PUT IN TODAY. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. SERRANO. WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU. IF YOU WANT TO GET THAT CORRECTED, WE'LL GIVE YOU MINUTE BACK. WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SPEAKER. WHY DON'T WE TO THAT AND WE'LL GIVE HIM A 1:10 BACK. PATRICIA FOLLOWED BY RUDOLPH. >> THANK YOU, MADAM REZ, COUNCILORS. TEN DAYS AGO, EMAILED YOU ASKING YOU IF YOU AGREE THAT THE NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS IN THE 2025IDO UP -- UPDATE WAS NOT RELEVANT. I GOT ONE AUTOREPLY, FOUR ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF RECEIPT, NO RESPONSE FROM THREE. ONE DISTRICT AGREED. NO RESPONSE FROM THE MAYOR. DIRECTOR VARELA SAID IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW THE NUMBER OF IMPROVEMENTS. DATA IS CRITICAL TO MEASURING SUCCESS AND FAILURE. THE IDO WAS SUPPOSED TO INSTITUTE CLEAR, CONSISTENT LAND USE AND STANDARDS. THE PASSAGE OF OVER 700 AMENDMENTS IN SIX YEARS DOES NOT MAKE DEVELOPMENT SIMPLER AND MORE PREDICTABLE. THE UPDATE THAT BECAME LAW TODAY DIFFERS FROM WHAT WAS APPROVED ON FEBRUARY 18th AS PART OF O-26-2. COUNCILORS, AS THE ULTIMATE ZONING AUTHORITY FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, PLEASE STOP DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS. FIX THIS THING, PLEASE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> WE'LL GO TO RUDOLPH FOLLOWED BY YAZMINE. >> OKAY. NOW WE'RE HERE. GOOD EVENING, AGAIN, COUNCILOR PEÑA. I'M GLAD YOU'RE PRESIDENT AGAIN. IT'S ALWAYS PLEASANT TO BE IN THE MEETINGS WHEN YOU'RE PRESIDING THEM. TODAY IS 4-20. I WANT TO REMIND YOU THERE'S 240 CANNABIS RELATED TO SCHIZOPHRENIA. A LOT OF THE SCHIZOPHRENIA IN THE STREETS IS BECAUSE OF MARIJUANA. NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THAT. I WANT TO WELCOME COUNCILOR TELLES. FIRST YEAR. I'M PROUD OF YOU. AS YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. FIGHTING FRAUD. I WISH YOU THE BEST AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN BACK YOU UP ON THAT. WELCOME CHIEF. AND WELCOME TO MR. BUJNADA. I DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WELCOME YOU. THEY DID IT BEFORE THE MEETING. WELCOME TO THEM. I JUST CAME BACK FROM -- I WAS FEEDING THE HOMELESS. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE STREETS. IT'S GETTING SAD. SOME PLACES ARE GIVING -- THERE'S STUDENTS LIVING IN THE CAR. WE'RE COMPLETELY GOING THE OPPOSITE WAY AGAINST THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING PROBLEMS INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR WAYS TO HELP THEM OUT. I DO BRING SOME SOLUTIONS AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK ON THEM. I WAS NOT ABLE TO WORK WITH THE LAST ADMINISTRATION. THIS IS A NEW ADMINISTRATION. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. >> I GUESS THIS IS MY THIRD HONEYMOON WITH MAYOR KELLER. WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE A WONDERFUL REST OF THE EVENING. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. >> YAZMINE FOLLOWED BY SARAH. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILOR PEÑA, COUNCILORS. CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? >> YES. >> OKAY. GREAT. I AM NEW APPOINTEE TO THE CITY'S OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD. MY COMMENTS TONIGHT ARE REGARDING THE CITY'S PROPOSED 2027 BUDGET, SIMILAR TO MS. SOWEDER AND MR. CAMPBELL. SPECIFICALLY, THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT BUDGET. IN REVIEWING THE BUDGET ONLINE, I NOTED THE PARKS AND RECREATION BUDGET IS PROPOSED TO BE CUT 3% WITH 12 STAFF POSITIONS AND I ASSUME THE POSITIONS WILL IMPACT THE OPEN SPACE DIVISION. PRIOR TO MY RETIREMENT LAST YEAR I WAS A LIAISON TO THE OPEN SPACE DIVISION FOR 25 YEARS. I THOUGHT I WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE RESPONSIBILITIES, BUT LEARNING THE TRUE DEPTH HAS REALLY BEEN EYE OPENING TO SAY THE LEAST. IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, I'VE SEEN THE OPEN SPACE DIVISION PLAN FOR AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND OPEN FOUR NEW PROPERTIES AND TRAILS AND THAT'S IN ADDITION THE 30,000 ACRES THEY MANAGE. I LEARNED EARLY IN MY RESOURCE MANAGEMENT CAREER WHEN YOU CREATE A PUBLIC ACCESSIBLE SPACE THAT HAS RECREATION RECREATION OR IMPROVEMENTS YOU CREATE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT WILL BE MANAGED AND MAINTAINED TO CERTAIN STANDARDS. THE MANAGEMENT NEEDS ARE IMMENSE. OPEN SPACE WORKS HARD TO LEVERAGE STAFF AND OPERATIONAL BUDGET TO GET OUTSIDE FUNDING. THAT REQUIRES ADEQUATE OPERATIONAL FUNDS AND ALSO KNOWLEDGEABLE AND PERSISTENT STAFF THAT WILL DO AND LEAD THIS WORK. THAT INCLUDES WORK WITH VOLUNTEERS. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THE OPEN SPACE AND PARKS SYSTEM IS THE JEWEL OF ALBUQUERQUE. AND IT'S THE REASON SO MANY OF US CHOOSE TO STAY HERE AND ALSO TO MOVE HERE. HAVING SUFFICIENT STAFF AND THAT INCLUDES THE OPEN SPACE TECHES, AND THANK YOU FOR FUNDING THEM AND FOR THE FUNDING YOU HAVE GIVEN TO THE BOSQUE WHERE I USED TO WORK, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. HAVING THE STAFF TO PROVIDE BASIC SERVICES AND QUALITY PROGRAMS AND EDUCATION AND RESTORATION IS THE ONLY WAY TO ENSURE THESE LANDS ARE PROTECTED AND CONTINUE TO FUNK AS VITAL ECOSYSTEMS, CULTURAL MEMORY, AND SAFE NATURAL PUBLIC SPACES FOR US TO ENJOY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> SARAH FOLLOWED BY JANET. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT COUNCILORS. I WANT TO EXPRESS SUPPORT FOR O-26-22, COOLING RESIDENTIAL UNITS. AS I SHARED PREVIOUSLY, COOLING AND PEOPLE'S HOMES IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO MAINTAIN GOOD HEALTH WHEN TEMPERATURES RISE. RENTERS SHOULD NOT NEED TO LEAVE THEIR HOME TO STAY COOL. AND THE COOLING CENTERS ARE OUTDATED. RENTERS NEED TO PUSH FOR UPGRADES FOR SYSTEMS WITHOUT FEAR OF RENT INCREASES OR RETALIATION. SECONDLY THE VERBIAGE IN THE ENCAMPMENT ABATEMENT POLICY DATED APRIL 9, 2026 RAISES RED FLAGS. IT'S NOT IN LINE WITH ACTIONS THAT WE WITNESSES SINCE THEN. IT STATES THE CITY WILL NOT MAKE THEM MOVE BECAUSE THEY'RE SITTING OR STANDING ON PROPERTY. LAST WEEKEND, I WITNESSED FOUR APD OFFICERS CIRCLED A WOMAN, RESTING WITH A SLEEPING BAG, FOUR MEN, THREE APD VEHICLES, TOWERING OVER ONE WOMAN. REQUIRING HER ID, AND WERE PUSHING HER OFF. SHE WAS NOT CAMPING, OR CAUSING CRIME. SHE WAS RESTING ON THE SIDEWALK. SIX HOURS LATER, AN UNHOUSED WOMAN WAS SEXUALLY ASSAULTED AND NO RESOURCES WERE AVAILABLE BECAUSE IT WAS THE WEEKEND. EARLIER DURING HOLY WEEK, POLICE ON HORSEBACK WERE PUSHING PEOPLE AWAY FROM OPEN SPACES, CHASING THEM AROUND BLOCKS WITH NO END. UNDER PRIORITY ONE OF THE POLICY, PEOPLE WHO ARE UNHOUSED CANNOT EXIST TOGETHER ON PAVEMENT, ASPHALT OR ON PROPERTY, THE LIST IS LONG. PRIORITY TWO PROVIDES ONLY 24 HOURS WRITTEN NOTICE PRIOR TO CLEARING ABINCHAMPMENT WHICH IS REDUCTION IN NOTICE FROM THE PRIOR POLICY. WHEN CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT OVERSIGHT LOOKS LIKE FOR THIS POLICY. WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS NOT WORKING ON ANY LEVEL. WE'RE SPINNING IN CIRCLES AND RESOURCES. HOMELESSNESS IS A CIRCUMSTANCE, IT CAN CHANGE WITH HOUSING. ONCE AGAIN TODAY, A PERSON ASKED WHY DON'T THEY JUST KILL US? THEY PUSH US AWAY AND GIVE US NOWHERE TO GO. THEY CLEARLY WASN'T US DEAD. THEY SHOULD JUST KILL US. PLEASE REVIEW THIS POLICY TO UPHOLD HUMAN RIGHTS AND SHARE SOME LEVEL OF EMPATHY AND PROVIDE PUBLIC SAFETY. REGARDLESS OF INCOME OR STATUS. THANK YOU. >> JANET. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I WILL ALSO SHARE SOME GOOD NEWS. HAPPY BIRTH DAY, ALBUQUERQUE. 320 YEARS. AND FOR ANYONE WISHING TO FOLLOW UP AND GET GENEALOGY INFORMATION ABOUT LOCAL FAMILY OR FAMILY ANYWHERE ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, YOU CAN DO THAT AT THE MAIN LIBRARY. SECOND FLOOR, GENEALOGY CENTER. LAST THURSDAY, 145 STAFF FROM THE PUBLIC LIBRARY MET AT THE PATRICK PACA LIBRARY ON CENTRAL AND UNSER FOR A DAY OF STAFF TRAINING. THEIR LUNCH MEAL ALONG WITH BREAKS WAS TOTALLY PAID FOR BY THE FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY. THAT'S GOOD NEWS. THIS COMING SATURDAY, IN THE TAYLOR RANCH AREA, THERE WILL BE A POP UP SALE OF THOUSANDS OF BOOKS MAGAZINES VINYLS PUZZLES, ALL KINDS OF MATERIALS. AND SO, WE WELCOME AND ENCOURAGE WEST SIDE RESIDENTS TO COME AND PARTICIPATE IN THAT. AND TONIGHT ON THE AGENDA, CONSENT AGENDA, WE HAVE A NEW PERSON NOMINATED AND APPOINTED TO THE LIBRARY BOARD. WE'RE VERY HAPPY IN THAT. WITH MY LAST 30 SECONDS, I'VE BEEN READING THE 2027 BUDGET. I CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO TWO PAGES. PAGE 77, WHICH SHOWS THAT THE LIBRARY GOT AN INCREASE OF A MILLION DOLLARS IN ITS BUDGET FROM 16.9 TO $17.8 MILLION. I DON'T THINK SO. BECAUSE ON PAGE 213 IT SHOWS 145 STAFF, LAST YEAR. AND 145 STAFF IN THE COMING YEAR. SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THE INFORMATION ON PAGE 77 THAT SAYS THE LIBRARY GOT A MILLION DOLLARS MORE IN THE BUDGET. WE'D BE GLAD TO GET A MILLION DOLLARS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE DID. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE. GOOD NIGHT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. ASK THE BUDGET STAFF TO LOOK INTO THAT. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'RE NOW ON TO APPROVALS. EC-105. MAYOR'S REAPPOINTMENT OF DENNIS ARMIJO. SENIOR TO THE JOINT AIR QUALITY BOARD. I MOVE -- OKAY. WE'LL WAIT FOR MR. LEWIS. I MOVE CONFIRMATION. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? ANY QUESTIONS? NO? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. ALWAYS ON REAPPOINTMENTS I ASK THE SAME QUESTION. WERE THERE ANYBODY THAT APPLIED FOR THESE POSITIONS? ANY ACTUAL PROCESS INSTEAD OF JUST REAPPOINTING PEOPLE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT. TYPICALLY, WE DO TAKE APPLICANTS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST LOOK UP ON THE NEXT ONE. IT'S THE SAME, REAPPOINTMENT. I'M WONDERING HOW MANY APPLICANTS APPLIED FOR THESE POSITIONS. >>COUN. PEÑA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR CONFIRMATION OF EC-105. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YEAH. IT'S JUST HARD TO VOTE WITHOUT KNOWING THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION. -- >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THE APPLICATIONS THAT THEY DO ALSO GO TO YOUR STAFF. THE APPLICATIONS WE GET. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE VOTE. >>COUN. ROGERS: NO. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON A 7-1 VOTE. >>COUN. PEÑA: WE'RE NOW ON EC-110. MAYOR'S REAPPOINTMENT OF DR. GELTSKI TO THE BOARD. THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? ICALLY QUESTION COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. SAME QUESTION. ARE THERE ANY OTHER APPLICANTS? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I DO BELIEVE YOUR GUYS STAFF DOES RECEIVE THE APPLICATIONS. WE'LL LOOK INTO THEM. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE HAVE STARTED RECEIVING INFORMATION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THERE. I DIDN'T LOOK THROUGH THIS TO SEE IF THAT'S THERE. WHAT WE CAN DO MOVING FORWARD IS CHANGE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS IF ANYBODY IS BEING REAPPOINTED, THEN THEY HAVE TO LIST EVERYBODY ELSE, OR WE CAN WORK WITH YOU ON SOME TYPE OF LEGISLATION. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. >>COUN. ROGERS: IT'S HARD TO MAKE THESE DECISION. I CONSTANTLY GET FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE THAT APPLIED AND NEVER HEARD BACK. NEVER, AT ALL, HEARD BACK. WANTING TO SERVE, AND WE KEEP REAPPOINTING THE SAME PEOPLE. AND WE DON'T GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OTHER PEOPLE TO SERVE. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME, ESPECIALLY ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. ESPECIALLY WHEN I WORKED FOR THIS MAYOR, I WAS ASKED TO GO AND RECRUIT FOR THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AND THEN, TO HEAR THE PEOPLE I REFER HERE HEAR NOTHING. IT'S REALLY HARD TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION. ESPECIALLY ON A VERY IMPORTANT ONE LIKE THIS. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. MOTION, AND A SECOND FOR CONFIRMATION. EC-110. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: NO. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES ON A 7-1 VOTE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. IF SOMEONE CAN LET COUNCILOR LEWIS KNOW HE CAN RETURN. WE ARE NOW ON EC-100. TRAINING AND ENFORCEMENT PLAN UPDATE PURSUANT TO COUNCIL BILL R-25-196. I MOVE RECEIPT BE NOTED. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. RECEIPT BE NOTED. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> NO, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILORS? SEEING NONE. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: WE'RE NOW ON FINAL ACTIONS. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, O-22. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. AMENDING SECTION 14-3-2 OF THE UNIFORM HOUSING CODE TO ESTABLISH -- [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR TELLES FOR DUE PASS OF O-22. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS IS A TECHNICAL FIX TO O-24-47, WHICH THIS BODY PASSED BACK AT THE END OF 2024. THAT ORIGINALLY INCLUDED A TEMPERATURE SET POINT WHERE WE HAD TO BE ABLE TO COOL TO A CERTAIN LEVEL. WE HEARD FROM COUNCILORS THAT THERE WAS CONCERN AROUND HAVING THE SPECIFIC LEVEL BECAUSE OF EVAPORATIVE COLORS. THAT WAS REMOVED. I DID NOT TRY TO PUT IT BACK INTO THE BILL. WE WAITED A YEAR TO SEE HOW IT WORKED. LAST YEAR, WE HAD A FULL YEAR OF IMPLEMENTATION ON IT. AND I THOUGHT THINGS WERE LOOKING PRETTY GOOD. WE WERE STILL WORKING OUT SOME KINKS IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT. IT WAS LOOKING GOOD. AND THIS YEAR CAME. AND MARCH, I'M SURE WE ALL KNOW, MARCH WAS THE HOTTEST MONTH ON RECORD. THE HOTTEST DAY IN THIS MARCH WAS 91 DEGREES. THAT IS THE HIGHEST TEMPERATURE RECORDED FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE SINCE THEY STARTED RECORDING TEMPERATURES. DURING THAT EIGHT DAYS, THE TOP EIGHT DAYS IN HISTORY WERE ALL IN MARCH THIS YEAR. DURING THAT HEAT WAVE, I WAS REALLY SURPRISED AND SAD TO GET SO MANY EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS FROM CONSTITUENTS, NOT JUST MY CONSTITUENTS, CONSTITUENTS FROM LOT OF FOLKS BEGGING FOR HELP. THEY WERE HOT. THEY WERE UNABLE TO REALLY JUST BE HEALTHY IN THEIR OWN HOME. I SAID, WHY? WE HAVE THIS COOLING ORDINANCE. WHAT'S GOING ON? AND I LEARNED THAT THE LANDLORDS SAID WE DON'T TURN ON EVAPORATIVE COOLERS INTO THE END OF MAY OR WHENEVER. CLEARLY, YOU WOULD MAKE AN EXCEPTION SINCE IT'S A HEAT WAVE. AND THE ANSWER WAS NO. WE DON'T MAKE AN EXCEPTION. AND YOU CAN'T MAKE US. I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THIS IS NOT A SHOCK. IT'S NOT LIKE WE WOKE UP ONE DAY AND IT WAS SUDDENLY 91 DEGREES. THE NEWSPAPERS REPORTED AND THE MEDIA REPORTED THAT A HEAT WAVE WAS COMING FOR AT LEAST THREE WEEKS IN ADVANCE OF THE HEAT WAVE. DID THAT CHANGE ANYTHING? NO. LANDLORDS DID NOT TURN ON THE EVAPORATIVE COOLING FOR THE PEOPLE DEPENDENT ON THEM FOR LIFE AND SAFETY. SO, I CALLED MR. KAISER WITH OUR CODE INCOURSEMENT DEPARTMENT AND ASKED HIM WHAT WE WOULD DO. AND ALLOW SOME ENFORCEMENT AROUND YOU HAVE TO TURN ON THE COOLING. IT DOESN'T WORK IF IT'S NOT ON. AND HIS ANSWER WAS, YOU HAD AN 80 DEGREE SET POINT, WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT AGAIN? I SAID NO, WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT EVAPORATIVE COOLERS. WE KNOW THEY CAN'T BRING IT DOWN TO 80 DEGREE. WE WORKED TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA THAT WOULD ALLOW EVAPORATIVE COOLING BUT REQUIRE LANDLORDS TURN EVAPORATIVE COOLING ON. THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY. HIS SUGGESTION WAS 15-DEGREE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUTDOOR AND INDOOR. THAT IS WHAT EVAPORATIVE COOLERS CAN DO. THEY CAN'T DO 20-25 REDUCTION. THEY CAN DO 15 DEGREE REDUCTION. THAT IS WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US NOW. THERE'S AN ALLOWANCE OF WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY THAT ALLOWS SUPPLEMENTAL SEMPERARY COOLING DEVICES SO IF IT'S A REALLY HOT DAY AND WE KNOW THE COOLER CAN'T GET THERE, THEY CAN USE SOME SORT OF SUPPLEMENTAL DEVICE AS WELL. NOW, IF THIS PASSES, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS WHEN IT'S HOT, YOU HAVE TO TURN ON THE COOLING. REALLY THAT SIMPLE. THE REALITY IS THAT WEATHER CHANGES ARE HAPPENING ALL AROUND US. WHETHER WE WANT TO ADMIT IT OR NOT. THE TEMPERATURE IN MARCH WAS NOT NORMAL. NOT WHAT WE EXPECT. BUT IT'S THE NEW NORMAL. WE WILL BE SEEING THESE KINDS OF TEMPERATURE EXTREMES MOVING FORWARD. AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE IN THEM. THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE HAS A COOLING RESPONSE GUIDELINE WHERE WE HELP PEOPLE WHO ARE UNHOUSED AND ALL OF THESE THING. WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET PEOPLE TO TURN ON THE COOLING SYSTEMS IN PLACE AND ARE WAITING AT THESE ADDRESSES TO BE TURNED ON. IT'S SHAMEFUL. WITH THAT, I WILL SAY THAT I THINK -- IT'S SHAMEFUL THAT LANDLORDS DIDN'T TURN ON THEIR COOLING. I THINK IT'S SHAMEFUL WE HAVE TO SEND MR. KAISER OUT TO MULTIPLE ADDRESSES TO TELL THE LANDLORD THAT, YES, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE COOLING FOR THESE VERY VULNERABLE ADULTS. AND WHEN LANDLORDS REFUSE TO RESPECT THE LETTER OF THE LAW OR SPIRIT OF THE LAW, I THINK IT IS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO CHANGE THAT LAW TO MAKE SURE IT IS FOLLOWED IN THE FUTURE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. DO WE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE HAVE LISA FOLLOWED BY GRACE. >> COUNCILORS, 2024, I SAT IN THIS CHAMBER AND I HEARD PERSON AFTER PERSON TALK ABOUT THE DILAPIDATED RENTAL PROPERTIES, NO AC IN THE RENTAL DURING 90-100 DEGREE WEATHER. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, FOR BRINGING THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES. I WAS APPALLED BY THE STORIES OOFT NEGLECT AND SITUATIONS PEOPLE WERE LIVING IN AS WE ALL DID. THANK YOU TO THOSE ON THE DAIS THAT YOU ALL VOTED FOR THAT ORDINANCE. SO MANY PEOPLE WERE HELPED AND IT WORKED. IN 2025, ELDERLY PEOPLE CAME IN WITH WALKERS AND WHEELCHAIRS BECAUSE THE LANDLORD NOT PROVIDING SAFE SPACES WAS THE CITY. THANK YOU, AGAIN. O-25 WAS UPDATED. AC REQUIREMENTS WERE APPLIED TO THE CITY WHERE THE CITY WAS THE LANDLORD. AT THAT TIME, WHEN I HEARD THE THE DISCUSSION, I THOUGHT AC MEANT COOLING. IT WASN'T FOR A CERTAIN PART OF DAY OR CERTAIN PART OF THE YEAR. IT WAS IF IT'S HOT, I LIVE WITH ELDERLY PEOPLE. HOT IS LIKE 95. WE HAVE TO NEGOTIATE DOWN TO 75 OR 80. I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE LIKE HOT AND COLD. FOR ME AND MY HOUSE, IF IT'S HOT, YOU TURN ON THE AIR CONDITIONING. THANKFULLY WE OWN OUR OWN PROPERTY. THE CITY HAS -- THE CITY DELAYED ON MISPLACING OF HUMANS THEY MOVE AROUND. THE COURT CASE IN SECOND JUDICIAL COURT BEFORE JUDGE ALISON WHY? LOVE THY NEIGHBOR PART, THIS IS NOT THAT. IT'S A CLEVER WAY TO PUSH THINGS SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING. MY UNDERSTANDING OF O-25 IS AC IS REQUIRED, THE LANDLORDS IN TOWN WHO HAVE PEOPLE IN EXTREME HEAT, HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO -- THERE'S LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOOD AT BOYCOTTS AND PROTESTING AND BRINGING ATTENTION TO PEOPLE WHO HARM OUR NEIGHBORS. >> GRACE FOLLOWED BY ALAN. >> MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I COME BEFORE YOU AS A RENTER WITH A CONCERN FOR MY NEIGHBORS. IF THE STATUS QUO CONTINUES -- POSE TO THE WELL BEING OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT DON'T HAVE FUNCTIONAL COOLING UNITS. WITHOUT THEM, RENTERS AND PETS FACE HEALTH RISKS AND EVEN DEATH. AS A RENTER WITH A DOG IN OUR APARTMENT, THAT IS VULNERABLE TO EXTREME HEAT, THIS ISSUE HITS CLOSE TO HOME. LIVING IN CLASS C HOUSING AS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF OUR CITY DOES, MEANS THAT I WORRY THAT MY AC WILL SUDDENLY STOP WORKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER. WHICH WOULD START AN IMPOSSIBLE FIGHT WITH MY OUT OF STATE PRIVATE EQUITY LANDLORDS TO GET THE BASIC HUMAN RIGHT WE ALL DESERVE. THAT IS A RIGHT TO A FUNKAL COOLING SYSTEM IN OUR HOME. IT IS NOT FAIR THAT THERE IS NOT AN ENFORCEABLE STANDARD TO ENSURE OUR PRIVATE EQUITY COMPANIES, BUYING OUR HOUSING, USING AI, ARE MAINTAINING THE COOLING SYSTEMS THEY CHARGE PEOPLE TO USE. LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT SPEAKING IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION. PEOPLE SPEAKING IN SUPPORT ARE RENTERS WHO DO NOT WANT TO BURN ALIVE. RENTERS WITH PETS VULNERABLE TO EXTREME HEAT. THE OPPOSITION ARE LANDLORDS WHO THINK IT'S UNNECESSARY TO TURN ON A SWAMP COOLER IN MARCH. WHEN WE HAD EIGHT DAYS IN A ROW OF OVER 85 DEGREES. TURNING ON AND OFF THE SWAMP COOLER IS TOO MUCH? ARE ALSO. WHAT SHOULD BE TOO MUCH IS DEATH DUE TO THEIR FAILURE TO ENSURE ADEQUATE COOLING SYSTEMS. THEIR ABDUCTION OF DUTY IS SHAMEFUL. THIS DOES NOT BAN SWAMP COOLERS LIKE FACEBOOK IS SAYING. IT'S GENERATED TO PROVIDE REASON FOR IGNORING REASONS AND LISTENING TO CONSULTANTS. THIS IS STANDING WITH CONSTITUENTS AND PROTECTING RIGHTS. PLEASE VOTE YES AND TELL PRIVATE EQUITY THEY CANNOT IGNORE OUR LAWS. >> ALAN FOLLOWED BY JOSH. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCIL. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION. I STAND HERE IN SUPPORT OF COOLING. JUST LIKE WE DID IN 2024. BUT, WE REALLY NEED SOMETHING THAT'S PRACTICAL, THAT'S ENFORCEABLE, AND REALLY REFLECTS ALBUQUERQUE'S UNIQUE CLIMATE AND INFRASTRUCTURE. AND I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT THE ORIGINAL BILL DIDN'T FIX THAT. I WILL BEG TO DIFFER THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE CODE ENFORCEMENT DID GO OUT AND FORCED MULTIPLE PROPERTIES TO TURN ON AIR CONDITIONING. WHICH LED TO FROZEN PIPES MULTIPLE TIMES SINCE THEN AND LEFT ALL THOSE RESIDENTS WITHOUT HEATING UNTIL THE NEXT PERSON COMPLAINED. IT CREATES THIS NEVER ENDING CYCLE. WE NEED TO PUT GUIDELINES ON. I DON'T BELIEVE THE TEMPERATURE IS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT. I THINK WE'RE BETTER OFF OFFERING DATES RATHER THAN TEMPERATURES. WE HAVE HIGH TEMPERATURE SWINGS WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSITIONAL SWINGS. YOU HAVE DAYS THAT 90 AND IT'S 40 DEGREES AT NIGHT WHERE YOU CAN OPEN THE WINDOWS. I THINK WHILE WE STAND HERE IN FULL SUPPORT OF COOLING, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE ORIGINAL BILL DIDN'T FIX IT. AND I DON'T BELIEVE THIS LANGUAGE DOES EITHER. ESPECIALLY, THERE'S LOT OF VARIABLES. YOU TALK ABOUT 85 DEGREES, WAS IT AT THE SUN PORT? MY HOUSE? YOUR HOUSE? DO YOU LIVE IN THE SUN, SHADE? WAS THAT ROOM, WAS THE DOOR OPEN, HOW LONG WAS HAD COOLING GOING FOR? THERE'S SO MANY VARIABLES CAUSED BY THIS BILL, WE NEED TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT THE PARAMETERS. I THINK THERE'S PROGRAM PARAMETERS TO SET SO IT GIVES CODE ENFORCEMENT A CLEAR AND WAY TO ENFORCE THE BILL. I DON'T THINK HAVING THE TEMPERATURES IS THE CORRECT WAY TO DO IT. >> JOSH FOLLOWED BY CHARLES. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'LL MIMIC WHAT ALAN SAID. WE'RE ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOR OF COOLING. WE WANT TO PROVIDE COOLING AND THE BEST MOST COMFORTABLE HOUSING WE POSSIBLY CAN FOR THE TENANTS THAT LIVE IN OUR PROPERTIES. THAT'S WHAT HOUSING PROVIDERS DO. WE ALSO HAVE SCIENCE. WHAT HAPPENS TO WATER WHEN IT FREEZES? IT EXPANDS. LIKE, ALAN SAID, WE DON'T TURN ON SWAMP COOLERS UNTIL WE KNOW THE LAST FREEZE WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. HISTORICALLY, YEAR AFTER YEAR, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE HAD SNOW IN THE BEGINNING OF APRIL? WE JUST HAD A FREEZE WARNING THIS WEEKEND. UNSEASONABLY HIGH AND VERY HOT IN MARCH, BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN IN FREEZING IN THE BEGINNING OF APRIL. THOSE COOLERS, IF WE TURN THEM ALL ON, WE WOULD HAVE ROOFS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED BECAUSE WE HAVE FLAT ROOFS WITH COOLERS THAT NOW ARE FLOODED BECAUSE WE TURNED ON SWAMP COOLERS RIGHT BEFORE THE PIPES BURST. I'D LIKE THAT WE'RE DOING THIS, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS READY FOR PRIME TIME. I THINK YOU NEED TO WORK MORE ON IT. AND THAT 85-DEGREE LEVEL DOESN'T GIVE ALL OF THE CONNOTATIONS IT SHOULD. IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY PLAY OUT THE WAY YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> CHARLES FOLLOWED BY JASON. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, DISTINGUISHED COUNCILAL -- COUNCIL MEMBERS. I MANAGE 2,000 UNITS IN ALBUQUERQUE. I'VE BEEN A CITIZEN OF ALBUQUERQUE SINCE 1979. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THINGS COME AND GO. I WORK WITH SEVERAL OF THE COUNCILORS TRYING TO MEET AND HELP TENANTS HELP PEOPLE. AND PROVIDE A BETTER ENVIRONMENT. I WANT TO MAKE FIVE POINTS TOWARD THIS BILL. THE CURRENT BILL CAUSED CONFUSION AMONG CODE ENFORCEMENT, OWNERS, TENANTS DUE TO SILENCE CONCERNING WHICH SEASON REQUIRE COOLING AND HEATING. WE HAVE VARIABLE HEAT DURING THE DAY AND IT'S COLD AT NIGHT. IF YOU TURN IT OFF, WE HAVE NO HEAT AT NIGHT WHEN PEOPLE ARE HOME. TWO. THERE IS NO ALLOWANCE FOR SYSTEMS THAT EITHER HEAT OR COOL. FOR EXAMPLE, IN LARGE BUILDINGS WE USE CHILLERS. CHILLER YOU, YOU TURN IT TO HEAT AND STAYS ON HEAT. IN THE SPRING YOU TURN IT OVER TO COOLING. WE HAVE 100-UNIT BUILDINGS. YOU TURN THEM OVER AT ONE TIME. YOU CAN'T TURN ONE OR THE OTHER. THIS MAKES NO ALLOWANCES FOR THE SYSTEMS THAT USE THE SAME DUCT WORK. MAYBE YOU HAVE A FERNANCE AND EVAPORATIVE COOLER, YOU HAVE TO TURN IT TO KEEP THE COLD AIR FROM COMING IN. AND FREEZING THE PEOPLE UP. THOSE SYSTEMS DON'T WORK. THEY CANNOT WORK INDEPENDENTLY. FOUR. WE'RE LOOKING AT DOWN DRAFT COOLERS. COOLERS -- THE ONLY PLACE I EVER LIVED IN BEFORE I TRAVELED ALL OVER THE WEST COAST AND EAST COAST TO WORK FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHERE WE HAD COOLERS. WORKING WITH THOSE COOLERS, THEY MEASURE THEM A CERTAIN SPOT WHERE THE AIR COMES OUT. YOU HAVE NO WAY TO MEASURE IT ROOM TO ROOM. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE TO OPEN WINDOWS AND DOORS TO GET DRAFTS. MANY PEOPLE DON'T -- IF THEY MOVE HERE FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THEY WORK. YOU HAVE TO GIVE INSTRUCTION. YOU MIGHT THINK IT WORKS OKAY AND YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. DRIVING OWNERS TO INSTALL AIR CONDITIONING WILL AFFECT THE GRID OPERATIONAL COST AND RISE RENTS. WHILE EXACERBATING THE 20,000 UNITS SHORT OF BLUE COLLAR HOUSING. WE'RE GOING TO LOSE OLDER BUILDINGS. WE CAN'T -- THE ELECTRICITY -- WE HAVE A 60 AMP BOX AND AN OLD BUILDING. IT REQUIRES 120 AMPS. YOU HAVE TO INCREASE THE WHOLE SYSTEM IN ORDER TO CHANGE THE KIND OF ELECTRICITY NEEDED TO DO AN AIR CONDITIONED UNIT. THESE ARE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. THE INTENT TO GIVE COOLING, I GOT IT. MY WIFE LIKES IT HOT, I LIKE IT COOLER. AND WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH THAT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, SIR. I ALLOWED SOME MORE TIME BECAUSE COUNCILOR GROUT ASKED FOR IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> JASON FOLLOWED BY MARK ON ZOOM. >> MARK FOLLOWED BY BENJAMIN. >> IS IT MY TURN TO SPEAK? >> YES, SIR, IT IS 3467 -- >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'M A SMALL, LOCAL REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER INVESTOR. BRINGING IN QUALITY HOUSING TO THE AREA. REGARDING THE TOPIC OF SWAMP COOLERS AND PERFORMANCE. I RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE IT AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN. I AGREE RESIDENTS NEED COOLING DURING THE SUMMER. SYSTEMS SHOULD WORK PROPERLY AND BE MAINTAINED. THEY SHOULD BE OPERATINGING CONSISTENTLY WITH THEIR DESIGN. HOWEVER, MANY OF ALBUQUERQUE'S MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES WERE BUILT DECADES AGO. THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS WERE NEVER DESIGNED TO HANDLE WIDESPREAD CONVERSION TO REFRIGERATED AIR. THIS IS NOT A SIMPLE UPGRADE. PROPERTY OWNERS WILL FACE PNM TIMELINES AND REQUIRE CONGRATULATIONS AND ENGINEERING REVIEWS AND THE REALITY THAT MANY NEIGHBORHOODS DONE HAVE THE ELECTRICAL CAPACITY TO SUPPORT THE CHANGES. IN MANY CASES, THIS MEANS TRANSFORMER UP GRADES AND REWIRING AND FULL SYSTEMS CONVERSIONS. EASILY EXCEEDING $50,000. MANY MOP AND POP OWNERS IF PASSED, THOSE COSTS WOULD NOT STAY WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, THEY WOULD BE PASSED TO THE RESIDENTS THROUGH HIGHER RENT OR REDUCED HOUSING SUPPLY. EVAPORATIVE COOLERS HAVE WORKED IN ALBUQUERQUE FOR DECADES BECAUSE IT FITS OUR CLIMATE BUT UNDER STRICT PERFORMANCE STANDARDS EVAPORATIVE COOLERS WILL FAIL COMPLIANCE TESTS EVEN WHEN THEY ARE WORKING EXACTLY AS DESIGNED. MANY PROPERTIES ALSO RELY ON SYSTEMS THAT CANNOT RUN HEATING AND COOLING AT THE SAME TIME. MAKING SEASONAL TRANSITIONS A NECESSARY PART OF OPERATIONS. I ENCOURAGE FLEXIBILITY IN THE ORDINANCE. ALLOW SYSTEMS TO OPERATE WITHIN DESIGN LIMIT AND CONSIDER TIME-BASED STANDARDS RATHER THAN TEMPERATURE TRIGGERS AND USE LESS RESTRICTIVE LANGUAGE THAT REFLECTS ALBUQUERQUE'S HOUSE REALITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> BENJAMIN IS NOT PRESENT. WE'LL MOVE TO LAURIE. LAURIE, PLEASE ACCEPT PROMOTION TO PANELIST. YOU'RE FREE TO SPEAK, IF YOU WOULD LIKE. SHE DECLINED MULTIPLE PROMOTIONS. I THINK THAT WRAPS UP PUBLIC COMMENT, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'RE BACK ON O-22. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCILORS? COUNCILOR GROUT, FOLLOWED BY COUNCILOR TELLES. >>COUN. GROUT: I HAVE AN AMENDMENT I'D LIKE TO PASS OUT. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, I'D LIKE TO ENTER FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO O-26-2. BEGINNING ON PAGE 2, LINE 16, AMEND SECTION 14-3-3-2 AS FOLLOWS. ELIMINATE A LITTLE BIT OF IT. ADDING COOL FACILITIES SHALL BE CONSIDERED COMPLIANT WHEN THE SYSTEM IS INSTALLED AND MAINTAINED IN GOOD WORKING ORDER AND COPABLE CAPABLE OF OPRAPGZ OF MAY 1st THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30th. THE FOOLING FACILITIES SHALL PROVIDE A MEASURABLE REDUCTION IN AIR -- INDOOR AIR TEMPERATURE RELATIVE TO OUTDOOR CONDITIONS CONSISTENT WITH THE SYSTEM'S DESIGN, MANUFACTURING SPECIFICATIONS, AND TYPICAL OPERATING STANDARDS. THIS AMENDMENT WOULD MODIFY THE COOLING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THE ORIGINAL BILL. THIS AMENDMENT WOULD ELIMINATE PROPOSAL COOLING SYSTEMS REDUCE TEMPERATURE BY 15 DEGREES WHEN THE TEMPERATURE IS 85 DEGREES OR HIGHER. AND ELIMINATE THE LOCATION WHICH TEMPERATURE MEASUREMENTS ARE TAKEN TO EVALUATE COOLING SYSTEM PERFORMANCE. INSTEAD, THIS AMENDMENT REQUIRES THAT COOLING SYSTEMS BE OPERABLE BETWEEN MAY 1st AND SEPTEMBER 30th. AND BE CAPABLE OF PROVIDING A MEASURABLE REDUCTION IN TEMPERATURE CONSISTENT WITH THE CAPABILITIES OF THAT INDIVIDUAL COOLING SYSTEM. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND FOR FLOOR AMENDMENT ONE BY COUNCILOR BASSAN. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THIS AMENDMENT USES A PERFORMANCE-BASED TECHNOLOGY NEUTRAL STANDARD THAT ALLOWS COOLING SYSTEMS TO BE JUDGED ACCORDING TO HOW THEY'RE ACTUALLY DESIGNED TO WORK. IT ENSURES UNITS ARE INSTALLED PROPERLY MAINTAINED FUNCTIONING, AND PROVIDING MEASURABLE COOLING CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN. IT IS A PRACTICAL ENFORCEABLE AND CLIMATE APPROPRIATE STANDARD FOR COOLING SYSTEMS IN HOUSING. IT REFLECT'S NEW MEXICO'S UNIQUE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS, EXISTING HOUSING STOCK, AND WIDESPREAD USE OF EVAPORATIVE COOLING SYSTEMS. NEW MEXICANS USE MORE EVAP RUCONVINCE COOLERS THAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTRY. MANY HOMES WERE BUILT SPECIFICALLY FOR THEM. THIS AMENDMENT ESTABLISHES A COOLING SEASON BASED ON YEARS OF WEATHER PATTERN AND NOT AN ARBITRARY SINGLE DAY TEMPERATURE. IT REDUCES VARIABLES AND DISPUTES FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A LIST OF COUNCILORS WHO WANT TO SPEAK ON THE -- ON O-22. I THINK RIGHT NOW SINCE WE HAVE THIS FLOOR AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR, I'M GOING TO ASK COUNCILORS WHO WANT TO SPEAK ON THE FLOOR AMENDMENT. COUNCILOR ROGERS HAD YOUR HAND UP FIRST. THEN COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST A QUESTION. WHAT IS A RECOGNIZED COOLING SEASON? WHO RECOGNIZES THE COOLING SYSTEM BETWEEN MAY AND SEPTEMBER 30th. >>COUN. GROUT: THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. STAFF, CAN YOU HELP US WITH THAT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THE RECOGNIZED COOLING SEASON WOULD BE DEFINED IN THE HOUSING CODE AS MAY 1st THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30th. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. OUR HOUSING CODE OR THE STATE'S? >> IN HOUR HOUSE OUR HOUSING . >>COUN. ROGERS: I UNDERSTAND THIS AMENDMENT ESTABLISHES IT. YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S ALREADY A RECOGNIZED COOLING PERIOD IN OUR HOUSING CODE? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF IT. I CAN LOOK INTO THAT. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. THAT'S MY QUESTION. WHERE DID WE GET THIS FROM? I DID A GOOGLE SEARCH. THERE'S NO SINGLE COOLING SEASON LIKE THERE IS FOR HEATING. I WONDERED HOW WE GOT THIS AND HOW WE DECIDED THE TIME FRAME. JUST A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH. TALKED ABOUT IT BEING SPECIFIC TO LEGAL PRECEDENCE FROM JUNE TO SEPTEMBER 30th. AND SOME EXPAND IT TO APRIL THROUGH OCTOBER DEPENDING ON CLIMATE AND LOCAL RULES. THERE'S NO ACTUAL -- THIS WOULD ESTABLISH A -- THERE'S NOT ALREADY ONE. WHEN IT SAYS RECOGNIZED, I'M WONDERING WHO RECOGNIZED THAT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WHAT THIS DOES IS SAY THAT THOSE PEOPLE, ALL THOSE DOZENS OF PEOPLE THAT CALLED ME -- AND ALSO CALLED SOME OF THE SPONSORS OF THIS AMENDMENT, WHEN THEY WERE MISERABLE IN THEIR HOMES BEGGING FOR ASSISTANCE IN MARCH, THIS SAYS WE DON'T CARE. TOUGH. IT'S OUT OF SEASON. THEREFORE, YOU DON'T DESERVE TO BE COMFORTABLE IN YOUR HOME. THAT'S WHAT THIS SAYS. I THINK THAT IS UNCONSCIONABLE. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DEFEND TO MY CONSTITUENTS WHY I PROPOSED THIS. I CERTAINLY WILL NOT SUPPORT IT. BECAUSE HERE'S WITH WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE IS Y'ALL. SURPRISE, SURPRISE, YOU CAN TURN OFF AN EVAPORATIVE COOLER AFTER IT'S TURNED ON. IT MIGHT BE HARD, BUT IT'S DOABLE. I'VE DONE IT. THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW THE DISCOMFORT OF A FEW LANDLORDS TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER THE HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY IS PRETTY SHAMEFUL. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: I'M GOING TO GO TO COUNCILOR BASSAN NEXT. BEFORE I DO THAT, COUNCILOR BACA, I SEE YOUR HAND UP. IS IT ON THE OVERALL BILL OR THE AMENDMENT? >>COUN. BACA: THIS AMENDMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: I'LL PUT YOU AFTER COUNCILOR TELLES. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM PRESIDENT, I HAVE SWAMP COOLERS. EVAPORATIVE COOLERS. I SET THEM UP AND TAKE THEM TOWN AND DOES THAT EVERY YEAR. I USED TO DO IT EVERY -- NO EARLIER THAN MOTHER'S DAY BECAUSE OF THE FREEZE WARNING. AND THIS YEAR, IT GOT WAY HOTTER THAN IT HAS IN THE PAST. AND WAS PRETTY HOT IN MY HOUSE WITH MY FAMILY. AND WE MADE IT WORK. AND I STILL DIDN'T TURN THEM ON BECAUSE THE PIPES FREEZE AS EASY AS IT MAY BE TO DO IT. I ARGUE IT'S NOT AS EASY AS SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK. I BELIEVE IT'S NOT WORTH HAVING THE PIPE FREEZE, THE WATER RUN OFF MY ROOF, AND WASTE ALL OF THE WATER AND FOR ME TO TURN IT ALL OFF ONLY TO GO BUY PARTS AND REPLACE THAT. ONLY TO REDO IT IN AN ANOTHER SEVERAL WEEKS WHEN IT'S TIME. THAT'S ME AND MY HOUSE. THAT'S NOT HUNDREDS OF PROPERTIES. AS UNCONSCIONABLE AS IT MAY ME TO SOME, I FIND IT RUDE THAT THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE TO HAVE PROPER BUSINESS BUT WE ALSO NEED TO REALIZE THAT SOMETIMES THE SEASONS ARE CHANGING. WE ALL HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT. IT'S NOT OKAY THOUGH FOR US TO DEMEAN PEOPLE AND MAKE IT SOUND LIKE IT'S AN EASY FIX WHEN IT'S NOT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALL HAVE TO GET USED TO. I'M GETTING USE TO WARMER WEATHER JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. AND I THINK IT'S REALLY, REALLY SAD AND SHAMEFUL THAT WE'RE SITTING HERE BE TOLD THESE THINGS WHEN IT'S NOT JUST THAT EASY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BASSAN. COUNCILOR TELLES. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR ESTEEMED LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE ROOM. CAN I HAVE ONE OF THE OFFICERS COME UP HERE? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. HELLO COMMANDER. HOW ARE YOU? >> I'M DOING WELL. >>COUN. TELLES: WHEN YOU'RE WORKING LAW ENFORCEMENT AND CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES AND ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES. WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER THE DANGEROUSLY HOT TEMPERATURE FOR INDOOR WHEN YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AN ELDERLY PERSON OR A CHILD WHO MAY BE EXPERIENCING HOT TEMPERATURES AND IN DANGER? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. FOR INDOORS, I CAN SPEAK SPECIFICALLY FROM MY EXPERIENCE WITH VEHICLES. BECAUSE WE GET REALLY CONCERNED WITH DOGS AND HUMAN BEINGS INSIDE VEHICLES. GENERALLY, IT'S LIKE AS WE TOUCH THE MID-80s TO 90s THERE'S GOING TO BE ADVERSE EFFECTS WITH PROLONGED TIMES IN A VEHICLE. A HOUSE IS A DIFFERENT STORY BECAUSE THERE'S LOT MORE SPACE. THERE'S THE ABILITY FOR WINDOWS TO BE OPENED. CREATE THAT DRAFT AND I DON'T KNOW THAT MY EXPERIENCE WITH VEHICLES AND USING EMERGENCY MEASURES TO OPEN WINDOWS OF A CAR WOULD TRANSLATE TO A HOUSE. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU FOR THAT. I LOOKED IT UP. THE STATUTE -- NMSA78 STATUTE DOES SAY IT'S CONSIDERED DANGEROUSLY HOT FOR A CHILD TO BE INDOOR TEMPERATURES THAT EXCEEDS 80 DEGREES TO 85 DEGREES FAIR HEIGHT. THERE'S A TEMPERATURE CONSIDERED -- YOU CONSIDER TEMPERATURES IN VEHICLES. SO, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THERE'S CRIMINAL STATUTES THAT LISTS TEMPERATURES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE THAT. I DO ALSO WANT TO -- I JUST WANTED TO SAY THERE IS SOME VULNERABLE POPULATIONS WITH ELDERLY CHILDREN, CHRONIC ILLNESSES. I TAKE SSRIs. THEY'RE MY CRAZY LADY MEDICATION. FOR MY CHRONIC DEPRESSION. I DO HAVE TO KEEP TEMPERATURES AT A CERTAIN -- OTHERWISE I COULD EXPERIENCE STROKE-LIKE CONDITIONS. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS WITH REGARD TO INDOOR TEMPERATURES. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. IT IS TEMPERATURE-BASED. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR TELLES. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. NOT COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO THIS AMENDMENT. I DO QUESTION THE SEASON. [ INAUDIBLE ]. WE TAKE CARE OF THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE THE MOST VULNERABLE. IRRIGATION SEASON HISTORICALLY WHICH STARTED MID-MARCH, REALLY THROUGH APRIL, WE'RE GOING TO BE SHUTTING IT OFF AROUND SEPTEMBER BECAUSE IT'S LOWERING TEMPERATURES. THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE 30-YEAR AVERAGE. PEOPLE ARE IRRIGATING IN FEBRUARY. AND THEY'LL BE WATERING WELL INTO OCTOBER. WE ALL NOTICED NOBODY WEARING A JACKET AT BALLOON FIESTA. MARCH THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30th DOESN'T FIT REALITY AT THIS POINT. THOSE DATES ARE WAY OFF ON THE REALITY RIGHT NOW. I DON'T SUPPORT IT AS WRITTEN. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILORS? COMMENTS? NO. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WAS GOING TO SAVE MY COMMENT FOR THE BILL ITSELF AND NOT THE AMENDMENT. COUNCILOR BACA BROUGHT SOMETHING UP. MARCH 18th, 85 DEGREES, 48 DEGREE. MARCH 19, 88, 51. MARCH 20, 89, 53. MARCH 21, 91 AND 49. MARCH 26, 86 AND 56. 24th IS 88 AND 53. AND 25th IS 90 AND 53. THAT WAS THE RECORD TEACHTURES IN MARCH. APRIL 1st, 64 AND 51. 2nd 75-40. THIRD 65-48. 4th 66-40. THE AVERAGE PROJECTED TEMPERATURE IS DAYTIME OF 78, NIGHTTIME OF 53. MAY 2nd IT'S GOING TO BE 86 DEGREES IN THE DAYTIME AND 56 AT NIGHT. YOU HAVE A 20 DEGREE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 24 HOURS. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TEMPERATURES THAT ARE IN APRIL AND MAY AND THE HEAT IN MARCH THAT THERE'S NO SET TIME IN APRIL, OR MAY 1st TEAMS TO BE WRONG. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ONE WEEK, NOT EVEN EIGHT CONSECUTIVE DAYS. THERE'S A 77 IN THE MIDDLE SOMEWHERE THAT SPLIT IT UP. AND A MASSIVE BETWEEN ALMOST 50 DEGREES SHOWING THAT, YES, I DON'T THINK THE QUESTION IS WHETHER COOLING ISN'T RIGHT OR PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE PROVIDED COOLING. IT'S A COMPROMISE BETWEEN COOLING AND PROVIDING IT. COMMUNICATION WITH THE LANDLORD AND TENANT. AND ALSO THE REALISTIC EXPECTATION OF THE PERSON WHO GETS THE COOLING DURING THE DAY BECAUSE IT'S 91 BUT EXPECTS THE LANDLORD TO SWITCH THE UNIT. LIKE OTHER COUNCILOR, I SWITCHED MY SWAMP COOLERS IN MY AND MY FAMILIES HOME. IT TAKES ABOUT 30 MINUTES. THAT'S WHEN I'M THERE TO CHANGE OVER THE DAMPER. AND SWITCH OVER THE OTHER THING BY THE HEATER. AND I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THEY'RE HOME IN ORDER TO GET ACCESS TO DO THIS. IF I WAS A LANDLORD IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, AND IF YOU'RE REALLY GOOD AT IT AND IT'S 15 MINUTES PER UNIT, THAT'S TWO HOURS. TWO HOURS IN THE MORNING AND AFTERNOON. PLUS A ONE HOUR LUNCH THAT'S FIVE HOURS. REALISTICALLY YOU'RE GOING TO GET THREE HOURS OF WORK IN A DAYTIME BECAUSE DURING THIS WEEK I'M SWITCHING BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSET ABOUT 91 DEGREES IN THE DAYTIME ARE GOING TO BE JUST AS UPSET AT 47 DEGREES AT NIGHT. I DO KNOW THE CODE SAYS THAT THERE'S A HEATING THING. A TEMPERATURE OF 68 THAT THE HEATER NEEDS TO BE AND PROVIDE AT LEAST 68. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AT 47 OUTSIDE AND 48 OUTSIDE. I THINK THIS COMES DOWN TO A COMPROMISE OF SUCH. AND SAY THAT WHAT IS GOOD FOR EVERYBODY? NOT ONLY THE LANDLORD BUT THE TENANT. SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. I LOVE THE FACT IT WAS BROUGHT FORTH AND PASSED LAST YEAR. I WAS A SKEPTIC OF IT LAST YEAR. I COMMEND THIS COUNCIL IN THE SENSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PROBLEM, YOU'RE LOOKING AT A BILL AND ORDINANCE YOU SAID HERE'S THE PROBLEM LET'S ADJUST IT. INSTEAD OF JUST STICKING WITH IT. I COMMEND THE FACT WE'RE ADAPTING AND TRYING TO ADJUST SOMETHING AND FINDING A COMPROMISE. TO SAY THAT MAY 1st THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30th IS UNREALISTIC, THE NUMBERS IN THIS CITY ALONE DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILOR GROUT TO CLOSE. >>COUN. GROUT: I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NO. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: NO. >>COUN. TELLES: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON A 5-4 VOTE. >>COUN. PEÑA: WE'RE BACK ON O-22 AS AMENDED. I WILL GO DOWN THE LIST. UNLESS YOU WANT YOUR NAME REMOVED. I HAVE COUNCILOR GROUT FOLLOWED BY COUNCILOR TELLES, COUNCILOR ROGERS, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, AND COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. GROUT: I THINK COOLING IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY. BUT I ALSO KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT. AT MY BUSINESS, I HAVE THREE SWAMP COOLERS ON MY BUSINESS. AND WHEN WE CALL THE PLUMBER TO COME AND TURN THEM ON, IT WAS HOT. IN MARCH. WE TURNED THEM ON. AND HE HAD TO FIX A LOT OF THE PIPES BECAUSE THEY WERE EXPOSED FROM THE WINTER. MY THREE HEATERS -- OR MY THREE AC COOLERS COST US $674 TO GET THEM UP AND RUNNING AND DO ALL THE REPAIRS. THAT WAS SOME TIME IN MARCH. SINCE THEN, I HAVE BEEN VERY COLD AT THE SHOP BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN COLD. I CAN'T JUST GO UP AND SWITCH THEM AROUND BECAUSE IT WON'T COST ME QUITE AS MUCH TO SWITCH THEM OFF AND PUT THE HEATERS BACK ON, BUT WE JUST PULLED OUT OUR HEATERS AND WE'VE BEEN USING THOSE. IT'S DIFFICULT. THERE'S NEVER A SPECIFIC -- TEMPERATURES ARE CHANGING. WE HAVE TO ADAPT A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW I LIKE TO GARDEN. I GO TO THE HOME DEPOT AND LOWES. BUT I REMEMBER APRIL 17th IS THE LAST FREEZE. THEY SAY DON'T PUT YOUR ANNUALS OUT UNTIL AFTER THE FINAL FREEZE. THIS LAST WEEKEND I THINK IT FROZE. THAT WAS RIGHT AROUND THAT TIME. IF I WERE TO -- IF I HAD MY ACs RUNNING ALL THE TIME, THEY'LL END UP FREEZING. I'LL HAVE TO REPLANT THEM. IT'S HARD. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD COMPROMISE. NOTHING IS PERFECT. IT'S NOT JUST AS EASY AS TURNING OFF A COOLER AND TURNING ON A HEATER. IT'S NOT THAT EASY. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A COMPROMISE. I THINK THIS IS GOOD. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR TELLES. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I RECEIVED, LIKE EVERYONE, LOTS OF EMAILS FROM FOLKS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE AND THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO DO THESE PROVISIONS. YOU KNOW, WE EVEN HEARD FROM -- ABOUT ENTREPRENEURS COMING AND BUYING PROPERTIES DECADES AGO. THIS IS GOING TO CAUSE A LOT OF FINANCIAL STRAIN. AS A PROFESSOR AT THE ANDERSON SCHOOL OF BUSINESS, THAT IS BUSINESS 101 THAT BUDGETING AND PLANNING FOR FINANCIAL DUE DILIGENCE AND ESTIMATE FUTURE OPERATING COSTS AND ALL OF THAT IS HOW YOU OPERATE AND RUN A BUSINESS. SO, IT'S NOT A TENANT'S FAULT THAT IS LANDLORD FAILED TO DO THEIR FINANCIAL FISCAL DUE DILIGENCE OVER THEIR BUDGET OPERATING EXPENSES OR THEIR BUSINESS. JUST WANT TO PUT THAT IN THERE. ANOTHER THING IS A LOT OF FOLKS SAYING UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES ABOUT COST AND PRACTICALITY AND THE ONLY THING I KEEP THINKING OF -- I'M SPEAKING AS A FORMER LANDLORD. I'M NOT A LANDLORD ANYMORE. BUT I USED TO BE. I HAD TWO HOMES THAT I RENTED OUT. ONE IN LAS CRUCES, ONE IN COLORADO. I THINK ABOUT -- I GET IT. I KNOW WHERE ALL OF THIS IS COMING FROM. THE ONLY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE I THINK OF IS HARM. AND POTENTIAL -- AND CONSIDERING HOW DANGEROUSLY HOT IT CAN GET. AND WHEN THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS -- I HAVE AN EMAIL HERE THAT SAYS, I RENT TO VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN ALBUQUERQUE. I INCLUDE VETERANS WHO ARE DISABLED. IT INCLUDES ELDERLY. SENIORS WHO ARE UNFIXED INCOMES. YOUNG FAMILIES. SINGLE MOMS WITH YOUNG CHILDREN. AND THE ONLY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE I THINK WHEN I THINK OF HEAT AND COOLING EX-PES -- EX-PROGRESSESER IS THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO COOL THEMSELVES DOWN. OR THEY'RE ON MEDICATION LIKE I AM. I'M ON MEDICATIONS THAT I GET VERY, VERY HOT BECAUSE OF MY SSRIs. AND I CAN COOL MYSELF DOWN. BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ON A LOT OF OTHER MEDICATIONS WHO CAN'T. IT DOESN'T BECOME AS SIMPLE AS THAT. I JUST -- AGAIN, THE ONLY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT I CAN THINK OF IS VULNERABLE POPULATIONS WHO EXPERIENCE A HEATSTROKE. AND BECAUSE OF HIGH RISK ENVIRONMENTS. BECAUSE OF THESE HEAT WAVES THAT COME. THE ONLY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES I THINK OF OUTSIDE OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU LIABILITY IS GOING TO BE. IF YOU HAVE A TENANT THAT FALLS ILL OR HEAVEN FORBID PASSES AWAY BECAUSE OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE OWNER RESIDENT RELATIONS ACT, NMSA1978 SECTION 47-8-20, CLEARLY STATES THAT THE OWNER SHALL MAKE REPAIRS AND DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO PUT AND KEEP THE PREMISES IN A SAFE CONDITION AS PROVIDED BY APPLICABLE LAW AND RULES AND REGULATIONS. THAT'S IT. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS. YOU HAVE TO DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO PUT AND KEEP THE PREMISES IN A SAFE CONDIG -- CONDITION AS APPLICABLE BY LAW AND RULES AND REGULATIONS. THAT'S THE OBLIGATION OF THE OWNER. AGAIN, THAT IS PROPERTY LAW. I THINK IF THE OBLIGATION OF THE OWNER IS NOT MET AND SOMEBODY GETS SICK BECAUSE THEY'RE OVERHEATED IN A HOME BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE PROPER COOLING, THAT BECOMES NEGLIGENCE. WHAT'S AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE THERE? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE NEW MEXICO TRIAL LAWYERS ASSOCIATION WOULD LOVE TO PICK UP THOSE CASES. I KNOW THEY WOULD LOVE TO TAKE TO COURT ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I KNOW THEY WOULD LOVE TO TAKE EVERY SINGLE LANDLORD WHO CAN'T MEET THEIR OBLIGATION OF AN OWNER TO MAKE REPAIRS AND DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO PUT AND KEEP THE PREMISES IN A SAFE CONDITION AS PROVIDED BY APPLICABLE LAW AND RULES AND REGULATIONS. I WOULD -- I PERSONALLY WOULD TAKE AN EXTRA 30 MINUTES OUT OF MAY DAY TO SET UP AND TAKE DOWN AN AIR CONDITIONING UNIT TO MAKE SURE THAT I WOULD BECOME POTENTIALLY NEGLIGENT AND POTENTIALLY LIABLE IF I KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT A COOLING SYSTEM CAUSED AN INJURY OR FATALITY. THAT'S THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE I WOULD THINK OF. BECAUSE THEN I WOULD HAVE TO SELL THAT UNIT AND HOPE THAT SOME OTHER BUSINESS OWNER DOES THEIR FINANCIAL DUE DILIGENCE A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND UNDERSTANDS HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST THEM. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. MR. KAISER. DIRECTOR VARELA. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. WHILE YOU'RE COMING DOWN, TO SET UP MY QUESTION, I WAS AT A PRESENTATION FROM PNM. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT STRATEGIC ROTATING OUTAGES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN WHEN ELECTRICIANTY DEMAND EXCEEDS AVAILABLE SUPPLY. THIS IS A QUESTION FROM CONSTITUENTS. IN THIS ORDINANCE, IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN WITH PNM, WHAT HAPPENS TO CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THESE ISSUES? >> STRATEGIC OUTAGES, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN THE GRID IS OVERLOADED THEY MAY DECIDE IN ORDER TO PREVENT A CATASTROPHE OUTAGE THEY TURN OFF DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY. IF THERE'S NO ELECTRICITY, NONE OF THESE ARE GOING TO WORK. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT EXACTLY WE COULD DO IN THAT CASE. I PRESUME LANDLORDS HAVE A DEFENSE. WE WOULD REALLY FEEL TERRIBLE FOR THE PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY WERE EXPERIENCING HEALTH ISSUES. WE STATED WHEN THIS LAW WAS PASSED THAT PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE FREEZING IN THE WINTER AND THEY SHOULDN'T BE SUFFERING HEATSTROKE IN THE SUMMER. THAT WOULD BE A FIRST IMPRESSION. THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A LEL DEFENSE. I IMAGINE LIABILITY WOULD FLOW TO PNM. IF HAT IS SOMETHING APPROVED --. >>COUN. ROGERS: I'M SHOCKED THAT'S SOMETHING PNM IS LOOKING TO DO AND PLANNING. JUST INTERESTED IN THAT. POURING OVER THE DATA, I SAW A DIFFERENCE IN THE DATA FROM 2024 TO 2025 ABOUT HOW YOU DOCUMENTED THESE SPECIFIC TYPES OF VIOLATIONS. WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH THE DATA, IT SAYS UHC CODE VIOLATION, BUT IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY CITE WHICH ONE THIS YEAR. HAS THERE BEEN CHANGES TO HOW YOU TRACK THE DATA? >> SO, DEALING WITH THE DATA, WE HAVE FIVE YEARS DIFFERENCE. THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY INTERNALLY TO BE ABLE TO TRACK THAT INFORMATION A LOT MORE ACCURATELY. A GOOD EXAMPLE, PRIOR TO COME COUNCIL MEETING, I DID A CHECK TO SEE HOW MANY CALLS FOR SERVICE WERE AC RELATED. THIS IS AS OF MARCH 2026, CURRENT, THERE HAS BEEN 275 CALLS FOR SERVICE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND REVIEW THE AIR CONDITIONING. WITH THE DATA PRESENT, WE'RE ABLE TO EASILY REVIEW THAT CATEGORY. YES, IN A ROUND ABOUT WAY, YES, WE CAN GO THROUGH AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. SOME OF THE STUFF IS GOING TO SHOW UP AS UHC. AND AS WE'RE ABLE TO DRILL DOWN FURTHER, WE'RE ABLE TO FIND THAT INFORMATION. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. THAT HELPS A LOT. I THINK FOR ME THE DATA IS WHAT PAINTS THE PICTURE OF WHERE WE SHOULD BE MOVING POLICY WISE. LOOKING AT THE VIOLATION TYPE DESCRIPTIONS AND HOW MANY OF EACH OF THESE COME IN, IT WAS GOOD TO PIN ONTO THAT. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT -- I KNOW COUNCILOR TELLES SPOKE ABOUT VULNERABLE USERS. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE SENIORS? OR ANYBODY IN A VULNERABLE -- ESPECIALLY SENIORS. I'M WORRIED ABOUT SENIORS. I HAVE HOMEBOUND SENIORS IN MY DISTRICT. I'M INTERESTED IN THAT. >> WE DON'T KEEP EXACT COUNTS OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED ONE OF MY STAFF MEMBERS THAT OVERSEES THE CALLS FOR SERVICE -- I ASKED HER TO GIVE ME AN APPROXIMATE. HOW MANY WERE SENIOR CITIZENS. OF THE AMOUNT OF CALLS FOR SERVICE, SHE WOULD ESTIMATE 30 TO 35% WERE SENIOR CITIZENS. >>COUN. ROGERS: BASED ON YOUR -- YOU ADMINISTER THIS ENFORCEMENT. BASED ON WHAT YOU SEEN OVER THE LAST YEAR SINCE THIS IS ENACTED, AND YOU WERE HELPING RECOMMEND THIS, WHAT ARE YOUR OPINIONS OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TEMPERATURE AND THE TIME FRAME? >> SURE. COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THIS GIVES CODE ENFORCEMENT SOMETHING THAT'S MEASURABLE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. WHEN WE SEE THE TEMPERATURES IN THE OUTSIDE AT THE 85 DEGREES, THAT PROVIDES A CLEAR INDICATION FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO GO AND REVIEW THE PROPERTY WHEN THOSE TEMPERATURES START EXCEEDING THAT. DEALING WITH THE TEMPERATURES, IT IS COOLER. THAT IS VAGUE AS TO WHAT WE CAN ENFORCE ON. THAT'S ARGUMENTIVE. SOMEBODY MIGHT SEE IT AS COOL, SOMEBODY MIGHT NOT SEE IT AS A COOL TEMPERATURE. DEALING WITH THE AMOUNT OF CALLS FOR SERVICE, IT'S BEEN OVERWHELMING. IT'S A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ASKING FOR HELP AND INTERVENTION. AND FOR US TO HOLD THE PROPERTY OWNERS ACCOUNTABLE. AND REALLY DEAL WITH SOME OF THE COOLING. DEALING WITH THE AT RISK, A LOT OF THE CALLS I WAS RECEIVING FROM OUR SIDE WAS THOSE COMING FROM DISABLED VETERANS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART BECAUSE I'M A DISABLED VETERAN. THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF INDIVIDUALS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO HELP. ANYBODY THAT'S HIGH RISK. THAT'S WHAT THIS BILL IS INTENDED TO DO. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I YIELD MY TIME. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: NO COMMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES THAT. WE WENT TO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ALREADY. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN TO CLOSE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I WANTED TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS BEFORE I CLOSE. I'M SORRY. TURN AROUND ASK COME BACK. I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. MR. KAISER WAS THE ONE THAT HELPED ME ON THIS LANGUAGE. I JUST WANTED TO ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. WE HEARD TONIGHT THAT THE LANGUAGE WAS PROPOSED WAS CONFUSING TO CODE ENFORCEMENT. IS THE LANGUAGE IN THE ORIGINAL BILL CONFUSING TO YOU? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THERE'S NO CONFUSION. IT WAS STRAIGHTFORWARD. WE HAD NO PROBLEMS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: WE HEARD IT WAS UNENFORCEABLE. IS IT UNENFORCEABLE AS WRITTEN ORIGINALLY? >> COUNCILOR, NO. WE'VE HELD PROPERTY OWNERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR COOLING. WE'VE HAD SOME GREAT SUCCESS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. LAST QUESTION. WE HEARD IT WASN'T PRACTICAL. IS IT? >> THAT'S A QUESTION TO BE DETERMINED BY PROPERTY OWNERS AND CITY COUNCIL. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. KAISER. I APPRECIATE YOU WORKING HARD TO FIND AN ANSWER TO A PROBLEM THAT CAME UP THAT WE SHOULD BE FIXING. I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. I WANT TO APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY STRUGGLING. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY, WE HEARD A LOT OF EXAMPLES ABOUT HOW IT'S REALLY HARD AND IT'S NOT THAT BAD AND NOT THAT BAD TO BE HOT. I AGREE, FOR ME, IN MY NICE HOUSE THAT -- AND MY PRIVILEGED LIFE I CAN GO TO MY CAR AND GO TO A COFFEE SHOP, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. HEAT IS A PROBLEM FOR THOSE OF US THAT ARE MOST VULNERABLE THAT HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. THEY DON'T HAVE PROPER INSOLATION. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WAY OF GETTING AWAY FROM THE BUILDINGS. THEY HAVE MEDICAL ISSUES AND MANY OF THEM ARE SENIORS OR CHILDREN. AGAIN, I JUST HAVE TO SAY I FIND IT INCREDIBLE THAT WE WOULD AMEND THE BILL THAT WAS MEANT TO HELP PEOPLE INTO A BILL THAT MAKES IT WORSE THAN WHAT WE HAVE ON THE BOOKS. WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE TO WITHDRAW THE BILL. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR TELLES TO WITHDRAW O-22. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? WE'LL GO TO A VOTE ON THAT. IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO READOPT THE BILL, CAN WE DO IT IN THE SAME MEETING? OR COULD WE PUT THE NAME AS A SPONSOR? LET ME KNOW HOW THAT WORKS BECAUSE WE CLOSED BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE THE MOTION AND SECOND FOR WITHDRAW -- HER MOTION SUPERSEDES. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, IF THE MOTION TO WITHDRAW SUCCEEDS, THE BUILT IS DEALT WITH AND NO LONGER -- THE COUNCIL MADE THE DECISION TO WITHDRAW THE BILL. >>COUN. PEÑA: IF WE DECIDE NOT TO WITHDRAW IT, THEN CAN ANOTHER PUT THEIR NAME ON IT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THE OPTIONS. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. IF WITH THE DRAW VOTE FAILS, WE STILL HAVE TO VOTE ON THE BILL TONIGHT AS IS, RIGHT? OKAY. IT WOULDN'T NEED TO BE BROUGHT BACK. IF THE MOTION TO WITHDRAW FAILS, WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE BILL TONIGHT RIGHT? IF IT FAILS. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, YES, BUT SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO BE A SPONSOR. SO ANOTHER COUNCILOR WOULD HAVE TO PUT THEIR NAME ON THE BILL. IF WITH THE WITHDRAW FAILS, THEN THE COUNCIL HAS TO VOTE ON THE BILL. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, YOU HAD A QUESTION. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: IT WAS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. IF THE MOTION TO WITHDRAW FAILS, THEN THE SPONSORS CAN'T REMOVE THEIR NAMES BECAUSE THAT MOTION JUST FAILS. IT'S STILL THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM FOR DO PASS IS ASKED TO BE VOTED ON. THEY CAN'T JUST REMOVE THEIR NAME IF WITH THE DRAW FAILS, CORRECT? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THE ORIGINAL SPONSOR CAN WITHDRAW THEIR NAME FROM THE BILL. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: INTERESTING. OKAY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR WITHDRAWAL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILORS? I WILL JUST SAY THAT ALL THIS TALK ABOUT WHETHER FEELING BAD FOR PEOPLE. I THINK EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO ADDRESS THE SAME ISSUE. THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN, I HEARD THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS WITH THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN. IT SOUNDED LIKE COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS WITH HER BILL. BUT I DO SEE THE CONCERN WITH HOW YOU TURN AN AIR CONDITIONER ON AND OFF. WE'VE HAD SWAMP COOLERS FOREVER. IT WASN'T UNTIL LAST YEAR WE'RE ABLE TO PUT IN REFRIGERATED AIR. THAT BEING SAID, EVERYBODY IS GOOGLING UP HERE. I THOUGHT, HECK, I'M GOING TO GOOGLE. I ASKED MRS. GOOGLE WHAT TEMPERATURE DOES IT NEED TO BE OUTSIDE IN ORDER ACHIEVE 80-85 DEGREES INDOOR ON A TYPICAL HOME? IT GAVE THE TIME FRAME OF APRIL TO MAY, MID-APRIL TO MAY. I ASKED SUMMER MONTHS. AND I ASKED WHEN DOES IT RETURN TO THAT? IT IS SEPTEMBER. THE WAY THEY AMENDMENT IS WRITTEN IT SEEMS LIKE A COMPROMISE. THERE'S NO ONE HERE ON THE DAIS TRYING TO HURT VULNERABLE PEOPLE. WE'RE ATRYING TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT HOW BEST TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THIS WITHOUT PENALIZING PEOPLE DURING OTHER MONTHS WHERE YOUR HAVE TO BE GETTING PHONE CALLS TO TURN IT ON AND OFF. I THINK BASED ON MY BRAND NEW DISCOVERED GOOGLE SEARCH THOSE SEEM TO BE THE APPROPRIATE TIMES WE'RE BACK ON THE AMENDMENT TO WITHDRAW. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: NO. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: NO. >> THAT FAILS ON A 4-5 VOTE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MADAM PRESIDENT. POINT OF ORDER. I HAVE THE RULE BOOK. RULES OF PROCEDURE, PAGE 16, NUMBER 7, NO BILL SHALL BE ALTERED OR AMENDED ON ITS PASSAGE TO CHANGE ITS ORIGINAL PURPOSE. THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE OF THIS BILL WAS TO RESPOND TO A PROBLEM AROUND TIMING OF THE ABILITY OF COOLING. AND THE BILL BEFORE US NO LONGER DOES THAT. THIS IS NO LONGER THE INTENT OF THE ORIGINAL BILL. ACCORD TO THE CITY COUNCIL RULES OF PROCEDURE, DATED DECEMBER 1st, 2025, I BELIEVE THAT IS THE LATEST ONE. I BELIEVE I HAVE THE RIGHT TO WITHDRAW MY BILL. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. IF OUR STAFF CAN ADDRESS THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, I WOULD INTERPRET THAT RULE JUST AS THE BILL THAT WAS WITHDRAWN WAS AMENDED. DUALLY AMENDED BY THE COUNCIL. SO, THAT PARTICULAR RULE WOULD NOT APPLY TO THAT BILL. IT WAS AMENDED WITH THE COUNCILOR'S NAME ON IT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MADAM PRESIDENT, IT CLEARLY STATES NO BILL SHALL BE ALTERED -- >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: EXCUSE ME. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I DIDN'T GIVE YOU THE FLOOR. HE WAS WAITING FOR OUR STAFF TO GET A RESPONSE AND I WAS GOING TO THEM NEXT AND OF COURSE I'LL GO TO YOU. STAFF. DO YOU STILL NEED MORE TIME? I CAN GO TO COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. OKAY. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IT CLEARLY STATES, NO BILL SHALL BE ALTERED OR AMENDED ON PASS MG TO CHANGE ITS ORIGINAL PURPOSE. AMENDED IS WHAT HAPPENED. I AM THEREFORE REMOVING THE BILL. I THINK THAT'S STRAIGHT FORWARD. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, BILLS ARE AMENDED ALL THE TIME. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR LEWIS, HOLD ON ONE SECOND. COUNCILOR BASSAN HAS THE FLOOR NEXT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM PRESIDENT, AS THE BILL WAS WRITTEN BEFORE, IT WAS TALKING ABOUT WORKING ORDER AND OUTSIDE TEMPERATURES, INSIDE TEMPERATURES, TIMING, AND OPERATIONS. AND THE AMENDMENT THAT WAS PASSED BY THIS COUNCIL ALSO TALKS ABOUT WORKING ORDER, OUTSIDE TEMPERATURE -- IT REMOVED THAT, SURE, BUT IT TALKS ABOUT THE SEASON WHICH DEFINES THE TIME FRAME. AND REDUCTION IN AIR TEMPERATURE. WHICH, TO ME, MAINTAINS THE FACT AND WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL AM TENT. WE DO AMEND BILLS ALL THE TIME. WE DON'T GET TO SINGULARLY WITHDRAW. WHEN THE BODY HAS TO VOTE BY A VOTE OF FIVE NO MATTER WHAT WE DECIDE, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. ONCE IT'S PART OF THIS BODY, WHICH THIS BILL IS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BASSAN. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. THIS MIGHT BE FOR LEGAL. WHERE IT SAYS IN 16, NUMBER SEVEN, NO BILL SHALL BE ALTERED OR AMENDED ON ITS PASSAGE, AS TO CHANGE ITS ORIGINAL PURPOSE. BUT NUMBER EIGHT SAYS UNLESS A MORE STRINGENT VOTING STANDARD IS REQUIRED BY LAW, THE MAJORITY OF QUORUM OF COUNCILORS PRESENTED AT CITY COUNCIL MEETING VOTE IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING THE BILL IT'S A ADOPTED. WHEN IT SAYS ADOPTED, DOES IT APPLY TO AMENDMENTS OF THE BILL? >>COUN. PEÑA: I'LL ASK THE STAFF. ARE YOU PREPARED NOW? >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THE TITLE OF THE LEGISLATION SAYS THE UNIFORM HOUSING CODE TO ESTABLISH COOLING SYSTEMS PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS. IF THE POD -- BODY WISHES TO SAY THE AMENDMENT LONGER DOES SYSTEM PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS, THEN THE BILL CAN BE WITHDRAWN. BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE A DECISION OF THE BODY. WE CAN INTERPRET THE RULES AND WE CAN TELL YOU THE RULES, BUT THE BODY ITSELF HAS TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION. IT'S THE BODY THAT ACTUALLY INTERPRETS THE RULES. I SEE WHAT COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN IS SAYING. IT SAYS SYSTEM PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS. AND THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE BILL. >>COUN. BACA: MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE MY HAND UP AS WELL. >>COUN. PEÑA: I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO GO TO YOU, COUNCILOR BACA, AND THEN BACK TO COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN IN HER OPENING STATEMENT CLEARLY SAID THE INCENTIVE WAS THE AMENDMENT CHANGED THE BILL, HOWEVER COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN DURING THAT DISCUSSION CLEARLY STATED THAT WAS CHANGING THE INTENT OF HER BILL. WE CHANGED THE INTENT OF HER BILL EVEN THOUGH THE AMENDMENT WAS VOTED ON 5-4. THE CONCURRENCE OF WHAT SHE'S BEEN SAYING. WE'VE COMPLETELY CHANGED THE BILL TO ADD ARBITARILY CHOOSING WHAT IS A COOLING SEASON. THEY'RE SCIENCE QUESTIONS. NOT GOOGLE QUESTION. NOT WHAT WE THINK. I STRICTLY WORK IN THAT TYPE OF FIELD WHERE WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHEN THINGS FREEZE AND WHEN THEY DON'T AND WHEN IT AFFECTS PEOPLE. THE INTENT HAS BEEN CHANGED. THE SPONSOR OF THE BILL NOTED THAT MULTIPLE TIMES DURING THIS DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BACA. JUST TO COMMENT ON THAT BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILOR LEWIS. WE WOULD NOT -- IF SOMEBODY COULD WITHDRAW WITH A NO OTHER SAY, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO VOTE. THAT'S WHY I ASKED WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. OFFICIALLY WE HAVE TO VOTE ON WITH THE WITHDRAWALFAILS, THEN WHAT? COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM PRESIDENT, THE PROPER PROCEDURE WOULD HAVE BEEN IF THE AMENDMENT CHANGED THE TITLE -- I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY CONCERN THAT THE TITLE DID NOT RELATE TO THE AMENDED BILL. THEREFORE, IT WOULD SIMPLY JUST NEED TO BE DEFERRED IF IT DID. IF WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE WORD PERFORMANCE, CLEARLY THE AMENDMENT IS BOTH INTENDED AND MEANING RELATED TO THE WORD PERFORMANCE. SO, I DON'T SEE ANY CLEAR INDICATION OF ANY TITLE CHANGE OR NEED FOR A TITLE CHANGE. IF THERE WAS A NEED FOR A TITLE CHANGE IT WOULD GO AS A DEFERRAL AND BE VOTED ON LATER. IF WE ASK OUR STAFF ON MATTERS OF THE RULES, OUR STAFF WORKS FOR ALL NINE COUNCILORS. AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY WE UNDERSTAND WHERE EACH OF YOU ARE COMING FROM. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE US A DEFINITIVE RULING ON SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DECIDE ON. WE APPRECIATE THE CLARITY OUR STAFF GIVES US, THIS IS A MATTER OF DECISION BY THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR TELLES. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO STAND IN SUPPORT OF COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. INTENT HAS CHANGED. THE ORIGINAL BILL WAS BASED ON PERFORMANCE NOT REPLACEMENT OF ANYTHING WITH A CLEAR MEASURABLE STANDARD. THIS IS NO LONGER A CLEAR AND MEASURABLE STANDARD. THE INTENT HAS CHANGED BECAUSE THERE'S NO LONGER -- IT IS REPLACED WITH AN ARBITRARY TIMELINE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR TELLES. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. THE MOTION TO WITHDRAW FAILED. I THINK EVEN THOUGH IT FAILED, SHE COULD REMOVE HER NAME FROM THE BILL. HERE'S THE SEMANTICS. SHE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO DO THAT. BUT THE BILL ITSELF IS STILL ALIVE RIGHT? WHAT WE DO WITH IT NEXT IS -- DOES ANYONE WANT TO -- IS THERE ANY MOTIONS? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MADAM PRESIDENT, I DON'T MOVE. I AM WITHDRAWING MY NAME FROM THE BILL. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. I THINK WE ESTABLISHED THAT. THERE'S TWO THINGS. REMOVING YOUR NAME. AND THE BILL WITHDRAWAL FAILS. I DON'T KNOW WHO HAD THEIR HAND UP FIRST. >>COUN. LEWIS: THE MOTION IS ON THE TABLE, CORRECT SOME >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, SHE'S REMOVED HER NAME FROM THE BILL. IF THERE'S ANOTHER SPONSOR THAT WANTS TO ADD THEIR. >>COUN. LEWIS: THE MOTION IS WHAT'S BEFORE US RIGHT NOW. THE MOTION WAS SECONDED. THERE'S NO MOTION FOR REMOVAL OF HER NAME, IS THAT CORRECT? >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S NO MOTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: IS THERE A MOTION ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW? LET ME GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT. I THINK THERE IS. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THE MOTION IS DO PASS. IT'S SECONDED. WE'RE IN DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. AS AMENDED WITH NO SPONSOR. RIGHT NOW, I THINK, IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPONSOR IT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT, AS A SPONSOR OF THE AMENDMENT THAT AFFECTED THIS, I WILL SPONSOR THIS BILL NOW. >>COUN. BASSAN: I WILL AS WELL, MADAM PRESIDENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: FOR THE RECORD, THE SPONSORS WILL BE VICE PRESIDENT CHAMPINE, COUNCILOR GROUT, AND COUNCILOR BASSAN. NOW, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS FOR A DO PASS OF O-22 AS AMENDED. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NO. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: NO. >>COUN. TELLES: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES ON A 5-4 VOTE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. THAT IS YOUR FIRST WARNING. NOW, WE'RE ON O-23. COUNCILOR GROUT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. GROUT: MADAM PRESIDENT, O-23 IS AMENDING THE POLICE OVERSIGHT ORDINANCE TO CLARIFY THE CPOA'S AUTHORITY TO INVESTIGATE APD PERSONNEL. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND FOR A DO PASS OF R-23. SECONDED BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. GROUT: MADAM PRESIDENT, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MY FELLOW COUNCILORS AND ALSO WITH APD AND WITH THE CPOA DIRECTOR. WE THOUGHT HE WITH AN AMENDMENT THAT WE WANTED TO BRING FORWARD TODAY, BUT WE FOUND THERE'S STILL SOME QUESTIONS. I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO DEFER THIS BILL FOR TWO WEEKS AT THE REQUEST OF APD. BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING WITH CPOA. I THINK I WANTED TO WORK ON ALL PARTS. I WANT IT TO BE GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC. I WANT IT TO BE GOOD FOR THE OFFICERS. AND I WANT IT TO BE GOOD FOR THE CPOA BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS IMPORTANT. AND WE'RE VERY CLOSE. THEY HAVE COME UP WITH SOME GOOD LANGUAGE, BUT THERE'S STILL A FEW THINGS THAT ARE CAUSING SOME CONCERNS. I KNOW THAT WE CAN, IN TWO WEEKS TIME, I DON'T WANT TO DEFER IT AFTER MAY 4th. I WANT TO PASS SOMETHING THEN. I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT WE CAN. I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO DEFER THIS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION, AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, FOR A DEFERRAL FOR TWO WEEKS. TO MAY 4th. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? SEEING NONE. ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? OKAY. >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE HAVE TAD. >> THANK YOU. OKAY. MY QUESTION IS WHAT YOU GET -- YOU ALREADY COST ME TIME. >>COUN. PEÑA: WE'RE STARTING THE TIMER OVER. >> I'M SORRY. >>COUN. PEÑA: WE'RE STARTING THE TIMER OVER. YOU'RE NOT LOSING ANY TIME. >> THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: YOU'RE WELCOME. >> OKAY. WHAT DO YOU GET WHEN OVERSIGHT SUPPOSED TO BE CIVILIAN? AND THEY ALL ARE COPS OR EX-COPS. DO WE -- WHAT KIND -- I HAVE EXPERIENCED MANY EVEN WITH THIS DIANE SHE'S SUCH A LIAR MANIPULATING AND PROTECTING COPS. SHE'S WORKING WITH COPS AND ALSO ESPECIALLY WHEN COPS LIE IN A REPORT. TRY TO PROTECT CORPORATE SECURITY GUARD IN WITH DEADLY ASSAULT. ANOTHER ALMOST. BADLY INJURY. THAT'S WHAT WHERE IT'S AT CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT. THAT'S WHO THEY ARE. I REMEMBER DIANE. I REMEMBER WHO SHE WAS. DIRTY POLITICS. TYPICAL IN THIS CITY. THAT'S HOW DIRTY POLITICS WE HAVE. NOW, I LOST TRACK OF WHERE I WAS GOING TO GO. YES, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LAWSUIT. AND I WILL SUBPOENA APD RECORDING. DIANE, AND ALL COPS INVOLVED. AND ALSO SUPPOSED TO BE 50 PHOTOS. THERE ARE NO PHOTOS TO MY KNOWLEDGE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE NOW HAVE NO QUESTIONS. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR A DEFERRAL TO THE MAY 4th MEETING. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. WE ARE ON R-18. AMENDING R-24-22. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: MADAM PRESIDENT, TWO YEAR POLICY FASTTRAX ZONED PROJECTS WITHIN THE METROPOLITAN REDEVELOPMENT AREA. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND BY VICE PRESIDENT CHAMPINE. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU. PILOT PROJECT FOR TWO YEARS. IT'S WORKING. I'D LIKE TO EXTEND IT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. WE ALSO HAVE TAD TO SPEAK. >>COUN. PEÑA: YOU'RE SIGNED TO SPEAK ON R-18. >> OKAY. LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? LOOK ON JOHNS STREET BETWEEN LOMAS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO -- THAT IS 1st STREET. NEXT TO RAILROAD TRACKS. WHAT USED TO BE -- WHAT IS NOW? WHEN PRIVATE INVESTOR PUT MONEY ON FRONT, HOW BEAUTIFUL IT IS, DEVELOPMENT. LOOK AT OTHER SITES NOW. RAILROAD -- MARTY CHAVEZ SPEND $30 MILLION BUYING OLD RAILROAD. IT'S A DUMP TO THIS DAY. LOOK AT ALL THE -- ON THE NORTH FROM HERE. FROM DOWNTOWN. WHAT CITY DOING? THAT IS CITY PROJECT. AND THAT'S SLOW. IT TAKES 50 YEARS TO GET ONE BUILDING DONE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. WE ARE BACK ON THE BILL. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? COUNCILOR TELLES. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR -- IS DIRECTOR VARELA HERE? THERE YOU ARE. I COULDN'T SEE YOU. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS TO EXTEND THE PILOT PROGRAM. AND THE PURPOSE OF THE PILOT PROGRAM WAS TO EXPEDITE PERMITTING PROCESS. WE HAVE A PROCESS THAT HAS EXPEDITED OUR PERMITTING SO FAR NOW THAT HAS REALLY ADVANCED A LOT OF THAT BOTTLENECK. I SAW WE'VE GONE FROM 18 TO FIVE DAYS FOR RESIDENTIAL PROCESS APPROVALS AND 28 TO FOUR DAYS FOR COMMERCIAL. DO YOU FEEL THIS IS STILL NEEDED? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR TELLES, THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN GOOD BECAUSE IT PROVIDES A GUARANTEED TIME FRAME FOR PROCESSING PERMITS BY PUTTING THEM AT THE FRONT OF THE PACK. NOT ONLY DOES IT APPLY TO PERMITS, IT APPLIES TO DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS. THAT'S WHERE IT'S ESPECIALLY HELPFUL. DURING THE COURSE OF THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE HAVE EXPEDITED THE PROCESSING OF CLOSE TO 30, POSSIBLY MORE, IT'S IN AN EC HEADED YOUR WAY AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. IT'S A STATUS REPORT ON IT. I THINK IT'S BEEN VERY GOOD. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ABSORB THE WORKLOAD AND DEVISED AN ONLINE MAP WHERE PEOPLE CAN PUT IN THE ADDRESS AND TELL WHETHER IT'S ALIKEABLE -- APPLICABLE. THEY TELL US WHEN THEY APPLY FOR THE PERMIT. IT'S WORKED VERY WELL AND IT'S GUARANTEED TIME FRAME. WE'RE IN FAVOR OF EXTENDING IT AS IS. THERE WAS TALK ABOUT ABOUT NARROWING IT DOWN. WE DON'T KNOW THE FINANCING FOR THE PROJECT. WE WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD JUST CONTINUE AS IS. NOW, THE GREAT NEWS, WHICH I HOPE IS LONG-TERM, IS THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN INCREDIBLY FAST OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS BY SHIFTING OVER TO NEW SOFTWARE. [ SOMEBODY SPEAKING IN THE BACKGROUND ]. >> SPEEDING EVERYTHING UP OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, I HOPE IT'S PERMANENT. I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE IT'S GOING TO BE PERMANENT. OUR GOAL IN THE LONG RUN IS TO MAKE FASTRAX UNNECESSARY. IT'S NICE TO PROVIDE THAT GUARANTEE. CITY COUNCIL, DURING LAST YEAR'S -- AFTER THE BUDGET PROCESS, COUNCILOR LEWIS AND THE ADMINISTRATION WORKED TOGETHER. HE PROVIDED ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FOR US. PARTICULARLY, TO GO INTO THE ASPECT OF SPEEDING UP PERMITTING. WE USE THOSE. HE ALLOWED US TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO IMPLEMENT THAT OUR WAY. AND IT WORKED. THROUGH TECHNOLOGY AND TRADITIONAL STAFF. BUT I'D LIKE THE GUARANTEE FOR THOSE PROJECTS TO STAY IN PLACE. WE DON'T KNOW IF STAFF ARE GOING TO GET SICK AT THE SAME TIME, GO ON VACATION AT THE SAME TIME, OR RETIRE AT THE SAME TIME. THERE COULD BE SOME REASON WHY OUR TREMENDOUS PROGRESS THAT WE'VE MADE SLOWS DOWN, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE THESE GUARANTEES IN PLACE WHEN WE HAVE SUCH A HOUSING SHORTAGE. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU. MADAM PRESIDENT, DIRECTOR VARELA, FROM THE LAST RESOLUTION, THERE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE REPORTS EVERY SIX MONTHS. I'M ONLY SEEING TWO REPORTS HERE. WE'RE MISSING SOME REPORTS. HOW DO YOU KNOW IT'S WORKING IF WE'RE MISSING SOME OF THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS AND IT ALSO APPEARS SOME OF THE REPORTS -- BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THEM. THE TWO REPORTS THAT CAME -- IT WAS -- THEY'RE OVERLAPPING IN INFORMATION. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT ACTUALLY STATES IF THE PROGRAM IS WORKING. ALL IT'S DOING IS PROVIDING DATA ABOUT HOW MANY VOLUME OF PROJECTS PROCESSED. I DON'T SEE HOW MANY UNITS OR OUTCOMES, WHAT AFFORDABILITY OR LEVELS EXIST. HOW DO YOU KNOW IT'S WORKING IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY DATA AND WE DON'T HAVE THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF REPORTING TO ACTUALLY TELL US THAT IT'S WORKING? >> COUNCILOR PEÑA, COUNCILOR TELLES, I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID. THE REPORTS HAVE BEEN COMING IN. THE REPORTS STATE TO THE DEGREE WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WERE INVOLVED. ALL OF THOSE WERE EXPEDITED. EVEN DURING THE TIME FRAMES A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS TAKING AN AVERAGE OF 117 DAYS FOR A PERMIT. AND INSTEAD THOSE WERE PROCESSED WITHIN TEN DAYS. AT LEAST THE REVIEW TOOK PLACE WITHIN TEN DAYS. I WOULD NOT BE ANYWHERE NEAR AS PESSIMISTIC IN MY CHARACTERIZATION OF THE SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM AS I JUST HEARD, RESPECTFULLY. >>COUN. TELLES: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. I'M NOT BEING MESMYSTIC. I'M BEING REALISTIC. I EC-344 AND 384. THOSE ARE THE TWO REPORT FOR THE FASTRAX PERMIT REPORTING. I SEE WE HAVE -- I COUNTED THEM. EVERYTHING THERE, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN -- IF EVERYTHING HAS BEEN APPROVED, 394 UNITS BASED OFF THE MOST RECENT REPORTING. THAT'S WHAT IT ADDS TO BE THAT WE WOULD HAVE SEEN FROM THE APPLICATIONS. 394 UNITS. WE HAVE 14 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS THAT ARE COMPLETE. OUT OF THAT. THAT'S ABOUT 3.5% RATE OF COMPLETION. I SEE WE STILL HAVE APPLICANT NEED TO RESUBMIT. WE HAVE AN APPLICANT THAT LET THEIR PERMIT EXPIRE. WE HAVE AN APPLICANT -- IT SAYS YOU'RE STANDING BY TO ISSUE A PERMIT BUT WAITING ON THE APPLICANT. ANOTHER ONE HAS EXPIRED. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE PES DECEMBER PESSIMIST THIS IS A BIGGER PROBLEM I'M SEEING HOLISTICALLY WITH THE DATA AND REPORTING THAT WE ARE RECEIVING. THERE IS NO OUTCOMES PROVIDED TO US TO MAKE DECISIONS PROPERLY. WE HAVE A LOT OF GOALS. WE HAVE LOT OF OBJECTIVES. AND WE HAVE VOLUME. BUT NO INFORMATION ABOUT WHETHER WHAT WE'RE INVESTING IN IS PROVIDING REAL OUTCOMES TO BETTER THE COMMON GOOD OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. HONESTLY, I LIKE THE PROGRAM. I'M PROBABLY GOING TO VOTE FOR IT. MY SINCERE CONCERN IS THE REPORTING. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH REVENUE HAS BEEN FOREGONE BECAUSE THE FASTRAX COST THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT TO PROCESS. RATHER THAN GOING THROUGH THE REGULAR PROCESS. IT'S ONLY RESULTED IN 14 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS. HOW MUCH REVENUE HAVE WE FOREGONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS? I DON'T KNOW. BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS DATA SHOWS ME. AGAIN -- >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR TELLES, I HAVE TO INTERJECT. I APOLOGIZE. YOU CAN FINISH YOUR COMMENT. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MADAM PRESIDENT, I RELUCTANTLY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES, FIRST TIME IN HIS CAREER, TO EXTEND THE MEETING TO 11:00. WE DON'T HAVE TO USE IT ALL. >>COUN. PEÑA: I SECOND IT. NO DISCUSSION. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: NO. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: NO. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES ON A 5-4 VOTE. >>COUN. TELLES: I'M GOING TO BE FAST. >> MADAM PRESIDENT, THAT FAILED ON A 5-4 VOTE. IT REQUIRES 6 TO SUSPEND THE RULES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: WOW. MADAM PRESIDENT. IT'S 1029. I MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING 10 MINUTES. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND TO EXTEND THE MEETING FOR 10 MINUTES. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: -- >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES. >>COUN. PEÑA: PERFECT. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM. I DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING ANYTHING OUTSIDE THE RULES. WE WERE TAKING THE VOTE AS IT'S 10:30, IT'S OKAY? >>COUN. TELLES: I'M GOING TO WRAP UP. I'M SORRY. THIS IS UNFORTUNATELY MY TIRADE BEING DIRECTED AT THE SITUATION BUT REALLY IT'S A BIGGER PROBLEM ABOUT HOW DATA IS NOT BEING PROVIDED TO US IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO MAKE APPROPRIATE ANSWERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, DIRECTOR. AND THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I'LL SHUT UP. >> COUNCILOR PEÑA, I DO NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. WE CAN ONLY CONTROL WHAT WE CAN CONTROL. WE CAN CONTROL WHETHER WE EXPEDITE THE PROCESSING AND PERMITTING. WE CANNOT CONTROL THE ECONOMY. THERE ARE MANY PROJECTS WHERE PEOPLE GO THROUGH TO GET THEIR PERMITS, ESPECIALLY VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECTS. AND THEIR FINANCING FALLS THROUGH. WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE THAT RIGHT NOW LOOKS LIKE IT'S MOVING FORWARD. 300 SAN MATEO. ONE OF THE TOWERS BY CENTRAL, WHERE THEY CALLED US AND SAID WE'RE PUTTING FINANCING TOGETHER. WE HAVE OUT OF STATE INVESTORS AND WE NEED TO KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE IN THE FASTRAX PROGRAM. OUR INVESTORS NEED THAT AS ASSURANCE. WE SAID YES, IT DOES MEET THE CRITERIA. IF AND WHEN THAT WILL ACTUALLY COME TRUE, IT'S OUT OF OUR HANDS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR VARELA. WITH THAT, THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR FOR A DO PASS OF R-18. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES ON AN 8-1. >>COUN. PEÑA: WE'RE NOW ON -- THAT'S NOT THE FINAL ITEM. R-21, BY REQUEST. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MADAM PRESIDENT, R-21 APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING THE ACCEPTANCE OF GRANT FUNDS. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION AND MULTIPLE SECONDS. I'LL TAKE THE FIRST ONE WHICH WAS COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. PEÑA: ANY QUESTIONS? ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO QUESTIONS? [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BACA: -- >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. TELLES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >> PASSES, 8-0. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. WE'RE ON THE FINAL ITEM WHICH IS OTHER BUSINESS. AND THERE IS NONE. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS COUNCIL MEETING IS ADJOURNED.