yes counselor bosun yes counselor bodega yes counselor Davis yes counselor Gibson yes counselor Jones yes and counselor Harris's excuse that passes on a 700 vote thank you thank you ma'am sorry we're having some connectivity issues up in our office today but we'll see if we can get through this so first up we have a discussion about the the cares Act funding distribution relating to transit and so for that presentation I think we're going to turn that over to mr. Royale of his team mr. riah you have a presentation right you so to the folks in the mayor there we go to the folks in the mayor's conference room are you ready for the presentation [Music] [Music] dammit I think we see you or do you need just a minute to get prepared is that right councillors can you hear us yes sir Council we're having a little technical difficulty but David's got us back on the line here so give us one or two seconds and we're ready to go here okay I think we're back we see you now and we okay great good afternoon council president Davis and councillors and rest of the folks who are here in the council chamber the objective of this study session is to sort of discuss part one of two part cleanup bill generally we wait until end of September or beginning of October to do the cleanup bill for the previous fiscal year however this year is extraordinary there is a lot of anxiety from employees from the council even from the administration as to what is going to happen to the revenue decline and how are we going to fill the budget gap and we believe that if we can do the first part of the cleanup now it would appease these questions the anxiety therefore we are here there are two major pieces to part one of the year and cleanup they involve 150 million dollar relief rack money that we have received so how we are using some of the money that we know of as of now and the transit piece is important because department of transit is heavily subsidized by the general fund and there is a piece which would impact the general fund in a positive way so therefore we are going to days we are going to have to presentation the first one is going to be by the Deputy Director of transit and before I hand it over to her I would have Lawrence rile or CEO or talked about it a little bit good afternoon counselors and Thank You Sanjay just by way of just a brief introduction first and foremost the transit department did get a direct appropriation if you will or from the cares Relief Act for the city it came to as many of you sit on the real Metro board it came by way of funds that were appropriated for Rio Metro for the Rail Runner operations and for real Metro operations and then a portion of that was designated for ABQ ride so that's that decision in terms of how that money was split up was was to the FTA process in the NPO process that we are part of to the cog as a result the ABQ ride received 27 point three million dollars of chairs Relief Act funds are directly administered and reviewed by the Federal Transit Administration so unlike the 150 that we'll talk about as part of the overall city budget the the cares funds for transit have a if you will a broader oversight from the Federal Transit Administration as the funds were basically programmed by Congress to to the d-o-t and we lost our connection can you all hear me mm-hmm yes sir yes we can see part of your screen here but maybe you just talked us through the magic is going to happen I think what I don't like is then when is think disconnect they should say the reversal of magic ISM you you maybe sumo I'm just can you hear me mm-hmm yes so while we're getting the back to the video or to the presentation I'll just continue so as a result of the way the funds were programmed for for transit it is very specific about the uses of the funds if you will how we can use those and as you all know as Sanjay just described a big portion of transit operations comes through a direct general fund subsidy to the transit department so as the reason we lump these two together just by way of information is that because of the flexibility of the Kerr's funds for transit we are able to basically use the Kerr's funds to operate and to cover the cost of operations for transit over the last three to four months dozens I eliminating the need to transfer general fund dollars into the transit department so as a result of that it's a net opportunity for us to to recover some of the funds that would otherwise be expended in transit through the general fund so with that being said I'm gonna turn this over to Stephanie Dominguez who is our deputy director for finance and administration at the transit department to go through to the presentation and then we have Chris Payton who is our finance person we'll do the second portion of the presentation so with that Stephanie good afternoon council president Davis and councillors director Holcomb doesn't his apologies he is doing he's out on personal leave there's an illness in his family so he does send his regards so as we get started thank you for the introduction we'll go ahead and start with an overview of our department and we're ready for the next slide so transit transit is an enterprise and fund of the city in fiscal year 2019 our total revenues we're 53 million our revenue sources include passenger fares intergovernmental agreements advertising services and taxes we'll discuss this a little bit more in detail in the next slide and we're happy to report in fiscal year 2019 we had over ten point seven million passenger boardings so taking a more in-depth look at our fiscal year 2019 revenues will kind of go through each category fares represent seven percent intergovernmental agreements 13 percent those agreements include those that we have with Rio Metro as well as Bernalillo County and CNM and UNM advertising with Lamar one percent the largest portion at 79 percent it are from taxes that includes the general fund subsidy as well as our transportation tax and then there's a total again a fifty three million so coca 19 has had significant impacts on transit agencies all across the nation which we are not immune to this we found those to DeGraaf interesting it's just a depiction of the decline in the demand for services for transit agencies you know starting early March all the way through May so let's kind of take a look at what the impact to Coba 19 has been on our ridership in the next few slides so what we did was we wanted to provide some oversight of what our ridership numbers at fiscal year 2019 compared to fiscal year 2020 2019 ridership represented in the blue 2020 ridership represented with the grave portion we were actually seeing an increase in our ridership for the months of December through March March 11th was the date that the governor issued the state of emergency so right away we're seeing a significant impact to our ridership 16 pert down 16% in March and 59 down 59 percent in April they're taking a look at our ridership numbers for paratransit this is our Sun band services again comparing 2019 to 2020 we're seeing that significant impact starting in March engineering through April March decrease the 42% in April a decline of 83% our department has implemented several mitigation efforts in response to cut the 19 our response objectives have always been providing a level of service while maintaining the health and safety our staff and the public as well some of these measures include starting March 28 we reduced service offering Saturday service Monday through Friday Sunday service remaining the same on Sunday we also suspended our service starting that date we promoted social distancing on our buses Sundance and in our facilities so this included limiting the amount of passengers on buses our department did recognize there was still a need for service so in response to that we would still send out hugger buses to maintain that social distancing on each of our buses buses out on your route installed physical barriers and indicators to passengers would no have an indication of how they're supposed to maintain that social distancing on our buses we also implemented those same same efforts in our transit facilities we increased while we already clean and sanitized our fleet and facilities on a daily basis we've really focused on increasing that and we've done that in a few ways by reallocating current staff to clean and sanitize on a daily basis as well as increasing our temporary staff we also provided all of our drivers with face masks and cleaning products so that they can maintain a clean space we continue to do that on a regular basis we want to make sure that our drivers have access to those supplies and finally we've promoted safe practices for writers in a number of ways first we've done social media messaging we vince'll installed safe practice posters on our son mans and buses and finally we send out push notifications on our writer app and also we are distributing 7500 masks to passengers and the way that we're distributing those masks is making them available for drivers to hand out as passengers come on the bus that may not have one as well as making sure they're available through customer service at the ATC and our marketing staff is actually going to our transit centers and passing out masks as well Hagen well Chris will discuss with you the carrier's act in our spending plan yeah so hello council president Davis council members I'm Chris Payton transits fiscal manager and we'll begin with an overview of the cares Act as it relates to transit agencies New Mexico as we've said declared a state of emergency on March 11th the cares Act was signed into law in March 27th and it included 25 billion for transit agencies the purpose to prepare prevent and respond to coronavirus city of albuquerque transit was awarded 27 point three million these grant funds are received through reimbursements so a lump sum amount of twenty seven point three will not be paid instead as happens with all of our transit grants after expenses are incurred a reimbursement request is made to FTA for a draw down because transit didn't go ahead oh I'm sorry I think I heard something because transit is an enterprise fund legislation permits these funds to be used as revenue the placement press I'm sorry let me interrupt weakly can we just ask the mayor's conference room to mute on on our end we're getting the feedback from Chris a little bit and I think that would help that Thanks go ahead mr. Peyton I think we got it covered okay yeah thanks appreciate that so transit has obviously incurred quite a few budgetary impacts in response to the pandemic on the revenue side fare revenues have been down 67% from the prior year as we mentioned previously 79% of the transit revenue comes from tax revenue specifically the transportation tax as well as a subsidy from the general fund our chief concern is the extent to which the stay-at-home orders has impacted these tax revenues as far as expenses transit has added about 60,000 per month and direct Coe bid related expenses much of this is related to keeping buses clean and passenger safe 90% of transit staff is essential personnel thus only a small number can telecommute and transit has experienced drops in demand however the transit service continues to be an essential service for those in most need thus how has strands it practically responded and worked to recover from this after decreasing service on March 28th transit began to increase service on June 13th with this we'll be installing driver barriers on the buses to enhance social distancing as well as help keep drivers safe well we're installing plexiglass barriers at close contact locations in our facilities we've increased our security presence on buses for operational needs and to monitor social distancing you've added temperature devices at all entrances to transit facilities and we continue to clean and sanitize transit fleet daily constantly re-evaluating this process to ensure that it's effective based upon our immediate concerns related to how the transit department's operations are funded and the essential service that transit provides to our community this is our immediate spending plan for the FTA care exact funds number one provide funding that directly impacts protecting our passengers as we've mentioned cleaning and sanitizing our buses and vans involves refocusing current staff in these areas as well as adding contract staff for this immediate need thus far this is costing about a half a million to is provide funding that directly impacts protecting our employees this includes PPE for employees sanitizer driver face shields for our Sun band drivers partitions for bus drivers it also includes payroll expenses for employees quarantined and those who were sent home unable to telecommute this has a cost of about 700,000 so far 3 provide funding to enable the continuous operation maintenance and management of transportation services this includes labor costs for all transit staff we want to emphasize that no employees have been laid off or fur loyd furloughed and there are also maintenance annual costs related to our entire fleet and and our facilities to date these expenses are about 8.3 million since the state of emergency was declared in addition if needed we were amend reserving an amount to be used if any of our intergovernmental agreements are impacted as some of these are tied to actual ridership this is conservatively estimated at 200,000 thus we feel we have a total need right now of nine point seven million now this concludes our transits presentation we we thank you for giving us the opportunity to present transit spending plan for the FTA Kerr's Act funds and happy to answer any questions Thank You mr. Connolly and mr. president and members of the council let me add two pieces of information that I think are important for the council to to know as we go into the conversation on Monday on the overall budget one on the transplant the transit budget in particular keep in mind that item four on this slide talks about this basically this revenue if you will reserve and and the reason for that is that one of the impacts that will see is remember a good portion of at least 38% of the quarter cent gross receipts tax that was approved by the voters is goes to transit for operations another portion of the 1/8 of a cent gross receipts tax that's collected by Rio Metro for real Metro slash Rail Runner operations also has about a four million or roughly subsidy back to this to transit for commuter routes within the city all of those trello taxes are going to be impacted by the expenditures of folks in the community as our general fund gr Tia's and so when Chris talks about having a reserve we don't know what those forecasts are going to show for for example for Rio Metro in this particular case or how much of an impact we're gonna have off of the gross receipts tax on the quarter cent so putting some money into the reserve just gives us an opportunity to make sure that we can if you will deal with whatever revenue shortfalls might show up as a result of the lack of if you will expenditure /gr t4 for the city as a whole in that conversation obviously you'll have with at the next presentation with with finance folks talking about the revenue streams in the five-year forecast the other piece I wanted just to mention as well is that one of the additional issues that we had and that we've implemented in transit is adding additional security folks on our on our buses as we began to open up the service again on the 13th of June and by that is we have security guards especially on the art corridor as that is the corridor that sees the most ridership ensuring that those security guards are helping with just day-to-day security of the buses but also that they are helping with the social distancing requirements within those those buses themselves and so that is an additional expense that that is as chris mentioned earlier that is that is as a result billy of kovat and the impacts of kovat on our operations and then to add to that we also have helper buses that are in reserve as those routes get if you will as we get more people on those routes we run a second bus if we have to so that we can ensure that their social distancing in the buses and so that means that you had you may have a a bus running and then it gets to about 25 to 30 or 40 percent full anybody else on that platform is picked up by a second bus because again the social distancing requirements so that's added a whole wrinkle to this the way we operate transit that is very different than what we've done before so to the course of the conversations that we'll have on the budget I just wanted to make sure you all got a sense of of how unusual this is to run this service other than I know that what we have been used to under normal operations the good news is that we did get additional 10 you new 60-foot buses that were ordered a year ago that we were able to they're getting commissioned and it will be now available for us to put in to to replace the old buses on that 7 1996 ride I believe it is the when it comes at Cottonwood mall so we'll be able to start adding new equipment to the service and in expanding the service as as we go through the next two or three or four months but it's all going to be related to kovat and how long that the COBIT restrictions impact the operations and and what that does to ridership so just just by way of overall conversation just wanted to make sure I have highlighted those areas for you and as Chris said Stephanie Chris are available for any questions you might have thank you so much for console as I see a couple of counselors lined up for questions as a reminder if you have a chance to use your raise the hand function we'll put you in the list and excuse me mr. Ali I know your teams up there if it's possible for them to decrease the or deactivate the screen share it'll help us see all the good looking people you have there with you today they're answering those questions we have a little bit of hard time seeing it when we have that so thank you so much we'll start with councillor Busan who's up first then councillor Gibson then councillor Borrego and then I have a quick question about some of the fair proposals that we had if we don't get to the möhippa council Masson go ahead Thank You mr. president I have a few questions that came up through this presentation I'm going to start kind of towards the end of the presentation and work backwards in regards to that last slide with the spending can you clarify with the costs that were on there it said you know we were told up to date this is what they were and then the last one was a reserve so to me that isn't really clarifying I guess in my head or maybe misunderstanding something that it's not really a spending plan but what we've spent so far so is this something that's being estimated to recycle itself similarly from here on out every month or can you clarify that please Chris can you address that yeah president Davis council Abrego I I believe I understand your question about the estimate and number four that is kind of our estimate to date based upon the agreement like we have with Bernalillo County to provide paratransit service for them and and the anticipated amount that we feel like we're not going on receive and so I think that's fairly consistent throughout most of those points is this is the amount to date we would say through June 30th that we anticipate we're going to need and so this isn't what's the plan I guess going forward then because to me this is more of a report of what we've spent so far and am I just missing something obvious on that and I apologize if I am so counselor Busan can you hear me mr. president comes to Busan Lamia may be the one piece we did failed to say and that is that it's twenty seven point three million what we're asking to do today or on Monday night and a part of this study session is to appropriate the nine point seven million that's on disk and this if you will plan to cover the spending for the current fiscal year we will then have seventeen point six million available to operate transit going forward into fiscal year 2021 so the point about the two hundred thousand that's here covers any revenue shortfalls they may be as a result of the Cova impact to those agencies like the county in particular or others that that pay us a fee for service if this money is not if you will if you don't if we don't realize that that we need to spend this this money will carry over into FY 21 and it'll be available for reappropriation in the following when we do the budget for the following year okay that thank you mr. RAL for that because it does clarify to me it's not even the $200,000 that wasn't making sense that part actually more clear on it was that the other nine million dollars and the fact that we've already spent it so it's not a plan but you're saying we want to put it in its own bundle for this year and separating right so the mr. president in comes from Busan what this does for us as I said in the beginning is that it covers our operating costs for transit from March through the end of this year at the end of this month and thus permits us to have a reserve under the care funds that are from FTA for the following year to continue to be able to operate transit given the fact that the general fund is really our problem right that's what we have our shortfall so we're basically stopping the transfers from the general fund for a portion for the remainder of this year to cover the cost of transit and then as we start the discussions on the FY 21 budget we can then determine at what level from the general fund that we want to support transit given that we still have Kerr's funds available to for the whole year for 2021 okay thank you and does this grant expire does it have a time frame where you have to spend the money by I'll let Chris answer that question for you Chris mr. president councilor the son know this grant does not expired that's good to hear awesome and then my last question Thank You mr. president and at the very beginning and this is just more for a little bit of grief education for my purposes but when when we were talking about the paratransit and it was that graph that was on there it was consistently down this year even prior to kovat than it was last year and I'm wondering if something changed just for my own benefit to know if why how it was down and if there's a reason for it or if it's just coincidence Chris can you answer that or a Stephanie I'm sorry mr. friends date counselor Hasan thank you for the question so we also noticed that same trend we're still working with our planning staff to identify what in what impact was there to kind of you know to explain that decrease so once we have an answer we'll be happy to share that with you great I look forward to it and thank you all very much oh yes ma'am no sorry thank you um in regards to bus passes can somebody clarify why they're only being sold at Albertson's and most locations are out of stock because we've had several constituents call with a concern and I don't know if we can expand this to somewhere or if it's just if there's a better Avenue for me to have a discussion with all of you maybe not now but it is a big concern that I keep hearing regularly about from our writers Chris mr. president councillor lisanna that is definitely something that we can review to see if there's other places that passengers can buy passes I think it's primarily Albertson's it does have the passes but I think maybe some of the issues are related to my staff telecommuting and setting up this appointment times to meet with providers and things like that could be part of the issue but we definitely need to resolve that so let's let me look into a little bit further about he's providing those passes and seeing if we can expand it thank you Thank You councillor Bosson next up we have councillor Gibson followed by councillor Borrego and councillor been councillor Gibson and taking us through this I actually had a couple of questions and the first one I think has been adequately answered so for the questions from councillor Poisson and those responses so thank you for that but I will have one other thing I want to touch on you mentioned that there are more security officers that that were using on the buses there is different bus routes which I'm really glad to hear about but that that has introduced an additional cost so I'm wondering are these um security folks from DMD that we're using or are we contracting with a company to to bring these folks in mr. president and in councilor Gibson no we are actually utilizing the the allocated security guards that were paid for when art was first rolled out they are they are already in the corridor the DMV security folks but we've asked the department to hire a private contractor because we don't quite have enough security guards to be in every bus on every bus and so we're contracting out for additional security guards for several of the major art routes just so that we can ensure that we do the social distancing and that we have you know the safety that we would like to see on the corridor one of the issues that we noticed early on when we first opened our hearts before kovat is you'll recall we had some incidences on the buses and we didn't have enough security guards to be in every single bus so this was our way to not only to ensure that we're doing the social distancing but they were also using these folks to help us with with safety on the buses and also to monitor the fare box if you will to make sure that people are buying their their tickets etc so it's just an opportunity for us to do both so that's what we've done great thank you I'll give you a call later if I can think of it thank you thank you Thank You councillor Gibson next up we have councillor Borrego followed by councillor Benton and councillor Pena councillor Vega Thank You mr. president this seems like a reasonable financing plan for moving forward into next year I'm just wondering Lawrence is there any effect on our transit drivers contract have we had to reduce drivers I guess we have right mr. president in councilor Borrego you know our biggest challenge has been with transit for some time now is having enough drivers as you all may or may not know we've been doing special if you will outreach programs through our HR department to recruit drivers to the bus operations by just because of attrition we've had a lot of drivers that have left the department either whether they go to what city another City Department or just because of Colvin issues etc maybe decide to find another occupation nonetheless is that we've had some read up we've had we've lost some drivers we've not fortunately as a result of that we've not had to layoff any drivers or we've not had to have any issues associated with not having enough work for the drivers because what we did in some areas we also use them for Sun band operations as well whenever we or in that period of three months when we didn't have you know the full complement of service so I don't believe we have any issues Stephanie with with the contracts with our drivers at this point it's so council president Davis councillor Gregor we appreciate that we've been working closely with the Union we meet with them on a regular basis so we are happy to report we don't have any contractual issues so have you all have to combine your transit routes or eliminate any mr. Sol council president Davis councillor Griego so in that reduction of service we have reduced to some service and those mainly are those commuter routes okay and then my last question is with regard to the art I mean I know we were trying to get up to compliance on you know the art routes and the buses and so on so can you just give me a little status report on that mr. president in councilor Borrego obviously art continues to be a work in progress for for us as it relates to its operations let me start with equipment the equipment that we have now is the full complement of 20 art buses that were part of the original if you will scope of the project so we have those buses as you all remember we had some unfortunately some issues with accidents early on with during the beginning of the art and rollout I will say that we have some outstanding folks at ABQ ride in our maintenance department they did an amazing job of just keeping those buses operational and repairing them all the buses because of this because of Kobe obviously we were able to get them all refurbished and they're all back and ready to go so from the equipment standpoint we're in a good place additionally as I said earlier we did get an additional ten 60-foot buses that we will be commissioning in the next month or so to get them into the corridor as well what we did is we ordered the same type of bus with the five doors so that now we have an additional ten buses so altogether now we have thirty art type buses those ten buses that we just received will be utilized on that route from from Cottonwood mall that comes across a core and then connects with the art bus service down at Central in Rio Grande and then proceeds to points further east so and that is to replace those old red 60-foot buses that are really way beyond their life span if you will we need to replace them and so we're going to get those out into the corridor so the good news again is that we can then use 30 buses in the corridor and and not have to worry about the issues with doors on the left-hand side and the doors on the right because now they are all equipped with cross functionality if you will for both for all the routes as it relates to the station's we have done a lot of work in the stations just to make sure that they're in good shape added wind screens and the like so that they're all operational you will notice that there are three stations that still don't have canopies those three stations we've put in some temporary shade structures for the hot summer months so that folks that want to use those stations can have at least some level of shade if you will we are working with the State Historic Preservation officer and we'll be going out primarily in councilor Benton's district to visit with neighborhoods to look at some new renderings that might be more reflective of the historical nature of those three stations and the communities if you will to get some community input to build the new platform platforms that are required in that area and then the last I would say to all of you is that we continue to work on on the pin curbs throughout the corridor those pin curves have really shown that that they're needed and that it helps us with eliminating some of those left-hand turns at a spur-of-the-moment that often times come into contact with a big blue bus and we're trying to ensure that we do everything we possibly can to keep the corridor as safe as possible and the last piece as it relates to that we are looking at some work on the actual alignment of the signals to the to the actual lanes in the corridor part of what we discovered early on in the in the haste to bring art on early on in its inception some of those minor adjustments needed to be made and weren't made when it was being constructed and so we're doing some tweaks to the actuals signs that you see over the the signal masts so that they're more in line with the actual lanes we actually just recently finished painting the reversible or the I'm sorry the bi-directional lane in the university area with a now FTA FHWA recommended rate red paint so that we can ensure that folks crossing central there by the university realize that there that buses you know operate in both directions in that particular area as another early warning and safety if you will opportunity for us so that we can make sure that that art continues to operate in a safe manner look I will say to you that at the end of the day there's still some more work that we need to do as it relates to safety stronger education campaign and an additional review of the corridor all the time to sure that we're doing the right things but I know it's a long-winded answer but councilor Borrego I feel much better about where artists today as it relates to safety and and as people get more and more used to it I think it'll it'll get better and better for all of us and for the city appreciate your leadership Lawrence I know that you this has long been on your mind and and has been taxing to everyone and and all of you you know I know that there's been issues with the accidents and you know it's it's good to hear that you guys have made so much progress it sounds like you've dealt with all the turn radius issues and the platform height issues so I I applaud you guys for where you're at at this point Thank You councillor appreciate the staffs done a great job Thank You counselor next up we have counsel been in counselor Pena and as a reminder counselors we have another presentation as well about FY 20 but issues so we want to be sure to make time for that but I know these counselors have waited patiently and so counselor Benton go ahead yes a question regarding the security like a private contractor are we expecting that that level of security will then continue through into through I guess 21 is that the expectation that we're going to keep that kind of robust presence mr. president and counselor Benton that is certainly our our intent is to at least keep it going to - 2021 and let me just explain why we're using private I'd love to be able to continue to go out and recruit for more security guards so that they become part of the of our regular security guard if you will employee base we opted to use the private security guards just because we have the need immediately and recruiting security guards as you know it's been also a challenge for the city as a whole so it would be our intent that we use that private system for a period of time as as we try to increase funding for getting more permanent security guards if that makes more sense for the city going forward in 2021 yes in a you know had some some informal discussions with with Terry Doyle over at Rio Metro about perhaps segwaying into the future into perhaps a transit district security force of some kind you know is that something that you think might have promised mr. president and councillor Benton I think that that's enough journey for us to look at how we use our resources from both agencies in a way that makes sense the interesting part is that under the the railrunner operations years ago we were able to actually get the legislature to approve transit security for Rail Runner and transit for Rio Metro so yeah I think this is a an opportunity where we could use our combined resources to to help both the city and Rio Metro as we move forward yet be really interested in in in participating that conversation and facilitating any way that I can it and maybe thinking outside the box you know that and take that to a different level where perhaps they also provide a higher level level of protection you know on on all the routes and and maybe including the the bus stops and stations you know there's an opportunity there to to perhaps take on more of a public not just a transit security or transit presence but but that would help out APD and help out our overall public safety efforts the only other thing on the driver compensation is that something which you mentioned with union negotiations that's something and that's holding us back in terms of or it was anyway before the current circumstances on getting people interested in working for ABQ right mr. president in councilor Benton and members of the council if you'll recall in the last year's budget that you all approved in Y 20 you did approve a fairly decent increase in compensate or in our compensation schedule for transit operators that because we were having a concerned that our basically our drivers of commercial vehicles in solid waste we're making more money than the drivers of our buses in the bus in transit and so we we did do a nice adjustment to their pay scale we are need to do another evaluation as to whether or not that was enough we know that what happens with ours with with transit in particular is that just because of the nature of where we are today that a lot of folks are nervous about driver safety which is why we're putting in the protective glass or if you will plexiglass around the drivers all our new buses are coming in with with built-in safety if you will compartments so that that way drivers are protected a little more number two is coal bed issues they're dealing with a lot of folks coming off the street and they're nervous so there are some of those things I think are playing into this but we're gonna do another evaluation and as we get into union negotiations we'll have a little more information for you as it relates to what might be a better place to be as it relates to compensating our transit operators because we know that we're losing them or for a variety of reasons it has been as a driver you're pretty much a security officer in the past we have a more robust security force hopefully that'll give a level of comfort to people to stick with us Thank You mr. president Thank You councillor Ben councillor pain yeah you're up Thank You mr. president I actually had a few a few comments and questions I don't know that all of them have to be answered right now but you know it looks like as a result of the budget that you just showed us it's about a third of the what 2728 million dollars that you guys are getting so I think it sounds it sounds pretty reasonable with what you're trying to do and then I actually just kind of wanted to echo what councillor Benton was saying as well one of my primary things is that you know I had requested a study for transit in terms of their pay and I know the year after that study was completed we actually gave them a bump but as part of the study it really asked for like a long-term you know mechanism of how we how we increase their pay and then you know as part of this package and in the federal money that we're receiving is there any way that we can do some type of an incentive pay and I'll just do all my questions right away so that I'm done incentive pay or hazard pay because you know myself my husband and and somebody I care for ride the bus and it's you know it's tough just like councilor Benton said you know they're acting as security as well and then my other part to that question is that is there any way that we can dedicate and use some of this money for our Police Department to have some dedicated officers along the art route because the security officers there sometimes you know it's tough for them to really enforce anything and people know that their security officers so it makes for a a tough situation and then same I was glad to hear that you're really trying to increase the routes because as we're trying to ride the buses there's such a long wait period in between each bus and so once we can get back to something that's more predictable I think will be awesome and then my last thing is Lawrence I think you're doing a great job with art and trying to make lemonade out of lemons but I hate those pink curbs so thanks hard all of those will let you just take them off to one by one I will just say mr. president and councillor Pena that the I understand that you're concerned about the pin curves I wish we could have done something different but unfortunately we that may be the only solution we have let me just say this to you we'd love to visit with you and any other members of the council as it relates to the compensation issues and get your thoughts on that Mike my thought my comment earlier about we're gonna review those is that look these compensation issues come up every year especially in this particular group of employees because again because of the issues we just described so I think there's an opportunity for us to do both one is to look at this there celery's and secondly is to see if whether or not under the cares act we might be able to do something to give them some kind of an incentive pay of some level - as they operate in the corridor so let me let me get with you and any other councillors they might want and we'll talk a little bit more in detail about those and see what we can come up with thank you I appreciate that there was a question about you know APD in there as well well then if you could respond to that and then actually I had one more addition as that work councillor Bassam was saying is that with the son ban and bus passes you know I'd suggested that we develop some type of app that people can purchase online I'd like to know if that's you know been looked at any further because it really is and if you know most of the people who write some been are part of the DD waiver and they're actually still under the stay-at-home order so when they're having to go to appointments and the like they really it's truck they're very challenging for them to actually go anywhere to go by bus son ban tickets so I really hope that that can be kind of urgently addressed and that's it mr. president and councillor Pena as a relates to APB we actually have had a robust conversation with the area commanders for the corridor that were operating and we are working with them to do a basically a tactical sort of approach to responding to security guard issues as art operates in the corridor and so I can certainly have a PD give you a little bit of a breakdown in terms of the number of officers that they'll have assigned on central to respond to security guard questions etc it's and or issues that come up on these buses because you're right in many cases security guards can help manage the situation for a period of time but ultimately it does require unfortunately in some instances a uniformed officer an APD officer and we're working together with both area commands to to implements a system to respond to those issues as quickly as we possibly can and then I think that I know that trans has been working on an app for a lot of their services etc and love to be able to show you what they but they've put together and again it goes to concert of a science question earlier and Chris's perspective and that is we really got to go and do a better job of getting these bus passes to not just to Albertsons but to many other if you will outlet so that people have choices especially as we look at where folks are commuters are and in what areas of the city that we're trying to serve with our transit system thank you thank you mister president thank you and questions and mystery I just want to mention that speaking of bus passes you and I had a chance to visit earlier today about some of the to get ready for this meeting and I appreciate very much I know the administration is working on evaluating the make it free eliminating bus passes for our transit system we talked about that I know we're continuing to look at that and once the revenue stabilized a little bit and that might make a lot of these issues easier so thanks again for the administration's support and working through that with us as well so I hope we can pick that up in the fall once we get a better sense of where we're going Thank You mr. president and concert Thank You counselors I would just conclude our portion of remarks by saying that we will continue to have any writers under 18 years of age do right that the transit service for free going forward so we've made that that transition some time ago and we'll move forward we'll continue to have that as we move through FY 21 and hopefully into the future so thank you all very much president Glen Mazzara yeah I just I was wondering if me mr. al or one of his employees can forward that presentation to the councilors and myself so we have that thank you thank you next up on our agenda is item B which it is excuse me a discussion of upcoming budget considerations I assume that that's also in the mayor's conference room is that right before we get started is that right no it's going to be inside the economic development conference er we were having some technical technical difficulties here so we open up another pocket sir great are those folks on board with us now is it mr. video yes they are madam vice president Gibson if you don't mind I need to I expect that I will have to excuse myself from this meeting a few minutes early for another meeting with some community folks would you mind cheering the remainder of this meeting for this discussion items so I don't interrupt this one I do I didn't see discussion of fiscal budget fiscal year 2020 budget adjustment and so we should turn it over to I'm not sure someone over in the economic development yes thank you mr. president and councillors viewing the budget folks are in the economic development conference room right now and I think this is a perfect segue from finishing the transit grant to the main really fact kind of 150 billion dollar and how all this will impact the the closeout of 2022 distinct differences between the grants is that the transit grant is very flexible it explicitly allows revenue replacement some operational cost which when you spend that money 150 million dollar grant has a lot of restriction especially there is no revenue replacement allowed and it expires by December 31st one flexibility we have is that even though certain salaries have been budgeted previously given a blanket permission to charge the public safety and public health related salaries and we can charges through this fund even if it was previously budgeted so that is the only flexibility that we are going to use which would have impact on our budget with that I think we are going to talk about how much we have spent so far that we can identify as of June 30th including salaries and other expenses you have seen our revenue projections as of December 4 for FY 21 you present some revisions to there may be six weeks ago we have made some further revisions now so economics will talk about what do we think is the actual revenue decline so far and what we project for FY 21 and how we are going to use this hundred and fifty million dollar fund not entire point but how much we are going to use so 638 28th at there are a few folks here we have Martinez who is our Director of Finance we have Christine Rowland our economists we have Lawrence Davis the budget officer we also have herring Kurdish our performance and innovation officer who is actually helping us with some payroll items so I am going to hand over to her name who in 20 2008 cost taking counselors the cops associated with the city responds to the Kovach pandemic have been significant as shown in this table the total costs are estimated at fifty five point six million and you see that a lot of that is personnel I mean estimating the personnel costs we've used the definition under the cares Relief Act for public safety and public health employees who are substantially dedicated to responding to the pandemic and we held this was allowing the work that Haley and her team in the performance and innovation office helped us with we held meetings with each of the departments to discuss and understand how employees and operations are being impacted by the covin emergency so we feel very comfortable with that number the non-personnel costs that you see that eleven point seven million includes quite a number of things the significant items in there are PPE which is in close to a million dollars we have the non-congregate shelters that have been put in place and the contracts with those hotels and that was three point five million of that number we also has significant telecommuting cost to have our workforce transition to work from home that's about a million dollars and then we have had some reopening costs related to getting city services and facilities ready to be opened with plexiglass barriers with signage and so forth so that's what makes up that eleven point seven million non-personnel costs so we have the two primary funds to cover these costs the first is FEMA which is not limited but is very restrictive in what we can cover with FEMA and then we have of course the cares Act Relief Fund to cover that up until December 2020 just so that you know that you know of course each of these funding sources have their own set of rules for what's eligible and we are tracking that closely and yeah have a consultant on board I'm actually their contract expires expires this month but they've been on board the last three months that have have been helping us with interpreting the guidance for the all the funds and you're answering our questions about what's eligible and how do we account for it how do we document how do we justify it so just yesterday for example the US Treasury posted the latest guidance on the cares accurately fund and it was very helpful to us because it didn't confirm the accounting methods that can be used for payroll expenses if there were a lot of questions about well for public safety and public health which would actually have to track their time on timesheets to say these are the number of hours that they were devoting to specific komen activities and they said no that you can actually assume their whole payroll and wage and benefits is can't be covered and are substantially dedicated to helping the city with the pandemic so that was helpful they also the guidance told us that we can use the cares Relief Act to match the FEMA 75% so that is helpful as well and we are beginning to account for that so I'm going to go ahead now and turn it over to our city economist christine earner and she's gonna give you an update on revenues although they're members so this table represents our latest expected impacts today at 4:20 revenue due to Kovac 19 so the far left of course is the revenue source charity property tax the other category that includes a number of things building permits other licenses and fees and also charges for services so that category is where you'll find the declines due to the BioPark admissions and concessions and a number of other miscellaneous revenues that are being impacted and then to the right then is the FY 2008 as of December 19 so that's the budget we had in place for the five-year forecast and to the right of that then is the are the estimated impacts to each revenue source totaling at the bottom 227 million I'll get back to that in just a moment and then to the right then is the final estimate for the FY 2008 and the estimated overall impact each category so as I mentioned the decline is currently twenty seven point two million and you may you might remember a few weeks ago our very first stab at this with about 27 million as well however since then we've updated with a year-to-date analysis of City revenues and looking at franchise looking at those other revenues and we also now have the benefit of that April revenue that year directly that we told you we were eagerly waiting for to hopefully see what the bottom will look like right and so the final estimate then reduces the expected impact in GRT but increases the expected impact to franchise and other revenues so the bottom line is the 27.2 and though we're all declined in four point three percent and just a word about April I've got a lot of detail about April that I can send out later in a revenue report for this month but April was down thirteen point six below the FY nineteen budget and that brings our cumulative growth so far for the year to four point one if you recall we've been trending quite high and that cumulative growth just because of a strong growth generally and then we had the cold heartless lump sum at the beginning of the year we expect that cumulative roads to continue to come down a bit more since the the last two months of the year are also expected to be is going to be nificantly impacted by the home and I think we can go to the next slide now so this slide the solid blue line represents where we are for the June 2020 estimate for FY 2008 when t1 the dotted blue line is where we were for the five-year forecast and this this graph also points out a critical point that everything I've said so far of course is the baseline estimate right so there are a lot of unknowns in both they're still unknowns in the FY 2008 fed a lot of unknowns in the FY 21 and so I'll just name a few of those contingencies you know we don't know how these increases in cases in our neighbors states are going to affect us in the long in the longer term we know that no matter the outcome of the election there is likely to be some sort of impact to the economy and we don't know if businesses are able to access the support they need to keep their doors open and we don't know if individuals once this federal health you know phases out are they going to be able to keep paying their mortgages and there Ryan so there are just a lot of unknowns and on the optimistic side maybe we will find a vaccine or at least in the shorter term one for the frontline workers who came from not so those are just a few of the contingencies we have we leave every underscore sign that said the optimistic scenario for FY 2008 I knee in a little green line above the FY 2010 additional 2.7 million dollars to the estimate that's at 599 million right now the pessimistic scenario would reduce it by 3.7 million and then looking at 21 and I'll talk about this a little more in the next slide the optimistic scenario would add 13 million and the pessimist state would subtract 38 point what is that 4 million hey we can go to the next slide so this is the estimate for FY 21 and I'll note that this is the one you saw several weeks ago the only changes to this right now are an estimated three million dollars that is in there for the cancellation of Balloon Fiesta and what I will say about Balloon Fiesta is that you know there has been an independent study done on the economic impact of the 2019 Balloon Fiesta and it actually measured the impact in more like four million and they also point out 2.5 million in larger stocks that was generated what's not clear from the report honestly is whether the largest tax revenue was part of that four million and so I am in contact with the folks who did that study and I'll update it and let you know when they finally say about that at any rate that of course is going to have to be in the FY 21 estimate and the other thing you'll see here is that we've added 6 million to all the scenarios with the assumption that that internet sales tax revenue that's being shared by the state will double in FY 21 let's see so regarding FY 21 I am in the middle of updating just redoing FY 21 and it has to be because the not nationally those estimates have changed the experts at the national level and also FY 21 is going to change a bit just because our expected baseline for FY 20 I'll be finishing that in the next week but just in general when you're looking at the pessimistic scenario that currently has about a 25% probability and really that's just characterized by a deeper initial contraction and slower consumer spending and it's in a slower recovery more like you - honestly for New Mexico more likely Intel and then when it comes to the optimistic scenario also a 25% probability and those probabilities were just changed recently in the national level we're looking at a quicker recovery more you know I we hesitate to say being in New Mexico well maybe more like you recovery and you know perhaps it like I mentioned earlier a vaccine to be found so just to sum up FY 21 impact we're looking at almost a negatives sixty eight point four million and a total impact of ten point eight percent and I think that concludes my portion oh right thank you miss Christine counselors the slide illustrates our current estimates for closing fiscal year twenty four the city's general fund only the first row is the anticipated revenue shortfall Christine just discussed in the previous revenue slides of twenty seven point two million the next row is the estimated expense savings derived from the city's cost-saving measures and is comprised of four point five million from the operational savings six million from the hiring freeze for non-essential employees and five million in additional salary and operational savings from third quarter projections which totals of fifteen point five million the third row is the estimated amount of the use of care exact eligible costs which will be included in fiscal year twenty the close-up resolution which is part one of two of the fiscal year twenty clean up the fifty-two million does include the cares Act FTAA money also and the final roll is the anticipated fiscal year twenty reversion amount I know this seems counterintuitive however the reversion amount is absolutely necessary for the fiscal year twenty one budget as you will see in the next slide and is primarily a fiscal year timing difference from the use of cares Act funding this light illustrates the fiscal year twenty one budget plan that begins to address the fiscal year twenty one revenue shortfall as you can see apply the fiscal year twenty reversion to the anticipated fiscal year twenty one revenue shortfall estimations in every scenario the city will experience a net revenue shortfall with 28 mm twenty point nine million being the baseline sixty five point nine being the pessimistic and fifteen point eight being optimistic scenarios for fiscal year twenty one currently DFAS is working as Christine stated on the fiscal year twenty one estimates for the use of care site funding and other options to address the anticipated fiscal year twenty one shortfall and as they you can see in the graph we are using estimations from two to three weeks ago however the baseline is sixty eight million as soon as think is one hundred and six million and of course the optimistic is fifty five million a revenue shortfall for fiscal year twenty one in would threat stand for any questions anything else mr. Sanjay I would just to counselors I would just add that you know that forty million all the diversion is something we should not get excited about it because right now there are two things happening one is our ability to draw the money from the hundred and fifty million dollar grant and then sort of the other unknown is the revenue shortfall and additional expenses that we would be incurring due to the pandemic we absolutely have no control over that as far as whether there would be a vaccine whether there would be a second wave of this where the expenses will go up or go down so I think we should be prepared in either case there is going to be a deficit so this forty million dollar reversion is is a good thing to have to sort of help us in FY 21 because in FY 21 I believe that our ability to draw the money will decline because you know we had the the Hydra pandemic in the beginning months then later months of calendar year 2020 so I think we we can pick the advantage of sort of justifying the payroll right now and even though the federal guideline has say that my default to December salaries of public safety and public health personal is considered indicated to working on pandemic so so it seems good as of now however they are coming up with the guidelines every three four weeks and we don't know if they will change that characterization that you know we have this blanket ability to charge that payroll it may change and therefore having this forty million dollar buffer in the beginning of fiscal year 21 is something we need but we can't be spending that money we should be using that money for the deficit 2021 because we don't know how much more we will be able to do draw for the payroll with that if you have any questions we are here to answer that okay thank you checking the participants we have any questions hands raised will go to councillor bent bat mossad I'm sorry counselor of a son and then two counselors sent I'm don't know who raised their hand first but let's start there thank you uh thank you madam chair madam vice president I have several questions again so with the projections on the slide that said um services equipment supplies and other is that including the new APD engine for the helicopter and the 80 new vehicles or where does that show up in in what's been spent so far that counselor of a son so that does include the helicopter engine and it does include two hundred and fifty thousand four police vehicles I'm not sure that that shows up to the number of vehicles you just okay so - so we'll have to go back and and reconcile with that and that's that would be great I guess to me it's just um it's really hard and difficult to decipher and you know when we get these study sessions and I know you all are working very hard at making sure that you're keeping all of these I'm sure all of these different spreadsheets available with all the different line items but if we could be able to see kind of really what what services equipment supplies another is or things like that even if it's sent in an email I think that would really be good for the transparency so that when we have people ask us we're able to really be a little clearer or know what better questions to ask in regards to that but thank you and the next question you know with the deadline of December 31st for being able to spend this money um you know I I'm assuming that you're making the plans while we talk about this and I realize there's so many plates in the air right now but you know when do we get to the point where it's not necessarily an emergency anymore and then we have councils start appropriating and how should we start preparing for that in regards to making sure that we can kind of not have that 11th hour fire drill if we come down to it towards the end of the year so I think the major item counselor the major item that we can use is continue to use it for the barrel for the public safety health folks because you know the deadline for there is escalation December however the revenue decline continued even after December so that one option and that is a significant portion of the balance that we can use for the peril however we are not sure if there would be another guideline somewhat what we can charge to the payroll in addition to that we are gathering information from departments to give us ideas what what they would like to spend this money following the guideline and there are some pretty good ideas we are still gathering them and then we will evaluate them to see what is the best way to have you know the city benefit from this crime so I think we are in that stage okay thank you and I think that would be really beneficial because again I know that none of us want to see any of this this funding and grant money go back we definitely want to be able to utilize it but I definitely want to also make sure that the council is on board with being able to be prepared and in the event that they need to be for any kind of appropriations after the emergency and then I know that the last study session we had at a council meeting I believe we were talking about hiring the outside consultant to determine how we spend this money I believe if I'm remembering correctly and it was using a hundred thousand dollars or a hundred fifty eight did we do that who is it counselor pathan yes the company is named guide house and their contracts was originally at a hundred thousand dollars to prepare an initial assessment of our hospital rate program and then we supplemented the contracts by seventy-five thousand dollars to continue to have them for an initial month to help us with looking at our full funding strategy and making sure that we knew about all the funding opportunities to the city they're going to finish that work this month and then the contract will then we'll be done because we want to make sure that we can cover we want additional services but we want to make sure that it gets covered by our character or even FEMA so even their recommendation we're going to do this anyway we're going to go out RFP so be prepared an RFP for cost recovery services and the same sort of aim to help us with the funding and knowledge ability and to do actually auditing of our expenses and make sure our internal controls are moving up and so that RPE actually will be issued by the end of this week and we are intending to have that go for another year and with an option to extend we just didn't don't know how mom will be meaning you know to account for all these expenses so that is currently what it's planned in what's in motion okay thank you and then I just I just really really want to reiterate the importance of making sure that if we can get some kind of wine item of how we're spending this money or you know where it's going and and how it's done for the sake of transparency for for being able to make sure that we're clear to our constituents and back and that we're all on the same page I think that that would be really really ideal and and that we need to make sure to get anything you can send our way please hey thank you comes from Busan next we'll go to counselors Jenna my question is it was stated earlier the approximately a million I believe was spent on PPE was that PPE that was spent specifically for city employees in general was it for the testing sites just kind of curious as to what PPE was involving yeah Madam President and counselors data thanks for the question so that is PPE that it's been used on and used by our employees so it doesn't include anything that we have used for the public except for actually let me qualify that so we have screening at each of our city buildings and if there are members of the public that need to come into the building and they do not have a mask then all those all the screening staff have kits and lift some extra masks to give to them so that is included in that that cost okay lift two more know more about exactly how many have been purchased just because out of curiosity but we can talk about that later another question that I had was in terms of this Cove it cost how much was spent towards language access you know doing interpretation services and translate of services yeah Madame president encounter sent out looking just at my spreadsheet here I'm not sure we have that pulled out actually we do so translating information into other languages right now the estimate is seventy-five thousand dollars of cost for this fiscal year and difficult by Honda it asks whether or not that includes interpretation service event does not so this is just translation of materials into multiple languages okay thank you okay thank you uh checking my screen again I don't see any other questions so I would just like to mention a few things first of all a registered surprise that the incorrect me if I wrote this down wrong the year-over-year change in revenue anticipated by the end of this month saw a decrease in port by 14% which is nothing to sneeze at but but I think I was a little surprised that it wasn't greater so so I guess that's the first thing that I didn't really hear anybody make making the valuation of that is did that surprise anybody else or desserts I mean we didn't have we only had two what about four months of months maybe of the economic fallout from the covet virus so maybe for 15% us in keeping any comments on that Madam President are you referring to the April specifically the April revenue specifically uh I actually wrote down year-over-year 14% Madam President that for April specifically it was down let me find the number exactly okay there it is thirteen point six percent so what's good to keep in mind is that in 2020 we started getting five hundred thousand dollars a month in internet sales revenue being shared by the state right so that that boosts our revenue by about one point six percent right out of the gate and so so what you're seeing has been impacted by that and so but we also got a ridiculous amount it seems the food heartless went out more than we expected it went up by 91 percent in April even after the phase-out which is 70 percent at this point and so that extra revenue impacted this quite a bit and also increased the potential impact in April but that said those two things right definitely helped our revenue we still we still expected worst case scenario and decline at 20% I mean we've heard that some other entities have actually experienced approaching that much of it according so but I think you're you're right we're grateful it wasn't as bad as so I see now is the the year-over-year difference it was a decrease of 4.3 percent is that correct am i understanding that madam president correct so that's that's that is over the five-year budget estimate for the FY 2008 that's right and so you know we're looking at just a little bit of March and quite an impact for April and and further expected impacts for the rest of the year but you know overall 4.3 percent and again we've had significant growth for the first part of the year we've had a 6.8 million if I'm not expecting lump sum and hold harmless the internet tax a number of things that really help booyah so that the overall impact doesn't look as bad as you might expect it so that's great of course and I appreciate the fact that that we're being really conservative that you all are taking a really what appears to be a very conservative vote you know short-term planning into the next year but one thing that we I never hear talk about and III think it's really something that we need to prepare for is the second wave the second phase ecovillage you know we're hearing that will likely hit about the beginning of the flu season so possibly October maybe November so we haven't really considered that is that correct Madam President I would say that the pessimistic scenario does take that into account I know we can't we can't have a different scenario for all the different possible things that could happen obviously but the pessimistic scenario does assume that there is a prolonged impact from the virus among other possible things that comment on the downside that impact us so I I would argue that the off that the pessimistic scenario does take that look into account the baseline you know it like I said it can't capture all possibilities but it's just somewhere in between right right and and and I understand that I I think it would be impossible to you know certainly factor in all possibilities but this is a possibility with huge ramifications this isn't like a bad fire year which is bad enough I don't mean to minimize that so okay well thank you very much I don't have my agenda here just hang Andy I believe that was our last agenda item and I'll just ask one more time if any counselors anyone else when the administration has a any oh there is a I'm sorry counselor Benton I just now saw your hand go up so go ahead please thank you madam vice president X my question is the one that that keeps nagging at me it sounds as though it correct me if I'm wrong that we're we're identifying or practicing a little over one third of the total amount allocated under cares for possible reimbursements is that correct absolutamente yes that is correct however that one-third amount is reflecting just portion of March and then it remains you know six more months to go as far as to use that all right and you know in general the areas where we see opportunities to make good use of those funds just you could just speak to that briefly mr. back there or whoever would like to the easiest way to use the money is be reflexive so let's see if we continue to charge that indirect way it relieves budgeted I mean the source of the budgeted expense expenses so you know on one hand over ever use are defined it will take quite a while to to get back to you know last week year's level so I think using the money could be kind of free and money which is more flexible recommendation to that nutritionist to use that because it's allowed and that is the only flexible portion in that round but then a lot of other things we can do and that's what we are looking at we are asking the department directors to come up with some innovative products and we will find a balance as far as what what new things we can do versus just using it use that money at least for now but again you know if things get better or any way to justify that diminish if we have a second wave then I think we should easily I think there are a lot of moving pieces to this and we are just gathering the information but if you have any ideas okay kakie probably will Thank you Thank You Sanjay thank you Thank You mr. vice president thank you so apologize for taking a little time here I just wanted to check we do have another hand raised councillor Poisson do you have some questions or comments of one madam vice president thank you uh are a lot of study session we were told that the kind of projections for where we were hoping to get back to may be some kind of normal budget was going to be maybe three years I believe and that was before Balloon Fiesta was cancelled and before you know so many other things that have impacted our city have transpired do we have an estimate is it now five years is that what you were saying or do we I mean I know this is kind of a Hail Mary question at this in time you know I am assuming it is no longer three years before we kind of might get back to you some kind of normal but you know uh you know I'm sorry Prasad it's almost sort of predicting the future that's the question I I would say that we have good reason a baseline pessimistic the best mystery is basically in the l-shape recover so you know we may have V shag record and I don't think that if we have waxing near future then the recovery should be vision and then there is still decline but it would be much easier on us the the baseline scenario that we are using right now it's based on uShip recovery and I think it's very conservative of the pessimistic if we have a second wave and we don't have a vaccine in near future that that may be the actual scenario so I unfortunately can't really tell you how long it would be but on one hand you know we we talked to the business community the hotel industry decline is almost 75 and then you know the gross receipts tax decline was barely 30 percent so that was a pleasant surprise but that also worries us is there something that we don't know my viable projections are really far off 20% to 30% is pretty significant difference and it could be that you know there is a lot of pouring or if people mark things is betting you know things getting worst and even though we think that it really should be autumn it may not be we don't know there may be a bottom in fall sometimes we just don't know or you know people bought a lot of things in the anticipation of you know things going down and then that means that in May and June and we expect that things will start recovering it may not recover as quickly as we think so even that 27 million dollar have it has two more two months in that which are just projections here we have actually top only at the end of April so that 97 may also move up or down to answer your question we we can't predict how how long this will go on the only thing we know is that ability to recover some money expires on December 31st however the decline will continue at least maybe you know I hope that no more than two years that's my dog thank you Hey Thank You mr. bata and I don't see any more hands right it's so unless there's something else and anyone else would like to add we'll go ahead and adjourn this meeting thank you all for attending and see you next time thank you thank you