>>COUN. DAVIS: OKAY, FOLKS. HERE WE GO. GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO THE 28th MEETING OF THE 25th CITY COUNCIL. I WILL CALL THIS TO ORDER. WE HAVE A FEW CHANGES. ALL OF THE COUNCILORS ARE PRESENT. COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR JONES WILL BE ATTENDING VIA ZOOM. WE'LL DO ROLL CALL VOTES ON ALL OF OUR VOTES. WE ASK YOU TO BE PATIENT. MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, PLEASE GET US STARTED. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MOMENT OF SILENCE FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BY COUNCILOR LEWIS AND IN SPANISH BY COUNCILOR PEÑA. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. GROUT: CIVIC PLAZA PARKING PASSES ARE FRIDAYED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN OBTAIN ONE FROM STAFF FROM THE STAFF NEAR THE CHAMBER ENTRANCE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CITY STAFF AND THE MEDIA HAVE THE ABILITY TO VIEW THIS MEETING IN PERSON AND ON LIVE STREAM THROUGH FOUR DIFFERENT PLATFORMS GOVTV, COMCASTTIONAL 16, GOVTV WEBSITE AND ZOOM. LIVE STREAMS CAN BE ACCESSED THROUGH MOST SMART PHONES, TABLETS AND COMPUTERS. THIS MEETING IS CLOSED CAPTIONED AND YOU MAY ENABLE THE SERVICES ON YOUR TELEVISION OR DEVICE AT THIS TIME. THE VIDEO RECORDING OF THIS AND ALL PAST COUNCIL MEETINGS WILL REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING AT ANY TIME ON THE CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE. COUNCIL STAFF IS AVAILABLE VEE ATELEPHONE IF THE PUBLIC NEEDS ASSISTANCE FINDING THE VIDEOS ONLINE. PLEASE CALL 505-768-3100 FOR ASSISTANCE DURING BUSINESS HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY 8 TO 5. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A BREAK AT APPROXIMATELY 7 P.M. IF NEEDED. WITH REGARD TO DECORUM, WE WANT -- TONIGHT'S PROCEEDING TO BE CIVIL AS POSSIBLE. PLEASE NO ATTACKS OR APPLAUSE OR OUTBURSTING DURING THE MEETING. THE MEETING WILL BE SMOOTHER IF WE'RE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. AT THIS TIME WE HAVE PROCLAMATION AND PRESENTATION. COUNCILOR JONES. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR JONES, CAN YOU HEAR US REMOTELY THIS EVENING? MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, WHY DON'T WE PUT THIS ITEM FURTHER ON THE AGENDA AND WE IF WE CAN TAKE THE OTHER ITEMS FIRST. >>COUN. GROUT: ALL RIGHT. WE'LL HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM APD DEPUTY CHIEF JOSH BROWN REGARDING ALARM RESPONSES AND FALSE ALARM CALLS. >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO GIVE YOU THIS PRESENTATION AND THE REASON BEHIND IT. LOOKING BACK OVER THE YEARS, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CALLS THAT COME IN AND LOOK AT HOW DO WE STREAMLINE THE CALLS MORE EFFICIENT. WE GET INTO THE RESPONDING THE CALLS UNDER 180 MINUTES. IF THERE'S CALLS AND WHAT OUR OFFICERS GET DISPATCHED TO -- YOU LOOK AT IT AND THE PRESENTATION NEEDS TO BE PULLED UP PLEASE. NEXT SLIDE. THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT ONE. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. IF YOU LOOK AT IN 2023, THAT LITTLE BIT OF TWO-YEAR SPAN WE HAVE 38,000 CALLS THAT ARE NOTHING BUT ALARM CALLS. RESIDENTIAL CALLS, BUSINESS CALLS. ALL SHAPE AND FORM. IN 2021 WE HAD 16,393. 2022 19,000. 38,619. ESTIMATED HOURS -- COST OF $1.3 MILLION A YEAR RESPONDING TO PHONE CALLS. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ONE SHOWS HOW WE DO YEAR TO DATE. THIS IS THROUGH 2023. THE FIRST PART OF THE YEAR IS THROUGH JANUARY AND FEBRUARY IT DECREASED AND IT GOES UP AS THE YEAR GOES THROUGH AND THE HOLIDAY SEASON RAMPS UP. IT SHOWS THROUGHOUT THE MONTHS WHERE THEY STAND. NEXT SLIDE. AND HERE'S WHERE WE SHOW WHAT THE ISSUES ARE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SLIDES UP THERE, IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE MONTHS AND THE LIGHT BLUE AND THE DARK BLUE ARE THE PERCENTAGE OF CALLS THAT WERE FALSE ALARMS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY BOTTOM WHICH THEY'RE WHERE THEY TOOK CALLS. AT THE BOTTOM IT'S 2% OF ALL CALLS ARE ACTUALLY ALARM CALLS. THAT MEANS OUT OF 30,000 CALLS FOR SERVICE LESS THAN 2% ARE ALARM CALLS. WHICH IS TO BE HONEST A WASTE OF TIME. WE RESPOND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THIS HAS GONE FOR YEARS. IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO. THIS IS WHERE WE CHANGE DIRECTIONS AND BECOME MORE EFFICIENT AS A DEPARTMENT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. OVERALL TURN AROUND CALLS PER MONTH THERE'S ABOUT 50% FROM 21 TO 22. THAT'S BEEN STUDIED OVER THE YEARS. APPROXIMATELY 2% OF ALL CALLS RESULT IN A TRUE ALARM. THE CALL DISPOSITION CURVE TO BE CONSIDERED TRUE. I'M NOT GOING TO READ OFF THIS THING FOR YOU. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WE GET ABOUT 11,000 THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL ALARM CALLS WHERE IT'S USUALLY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WORK OR COMING HOME AND IT'S A TRIPPED FALSE ALARM. IN ONE SHAPE OR ANOTHER THEY CONTINUE TO MAKE IT A CALL FOR SERVICE AND AN OFFICER HAS TO GO OUT AND MAKE CONTACT OR FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE THERE'S NO RESPONSE FROM THE ALARM COMPANY. P IF YOU LOOK AT THE ALARM COMPANIES AND WHOEVER MONITORS THE ALARM, LOT OF THE COMPANIES AREN'T IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO. THEY'RE IN A CALL CENTER. THEY'RE NOT LOCAL. THEY CAN BE WHEREVER. THE NEXT ONE IS RETAIL USE. AND COMMERCIAL. AND COMMERCIAL SERVICES IS THE THIRD. THESE ARE MORE INDUSTRIAL AREAS AND MOM AND POP BUSINESS. IT'S GOING TO BE MORE OF THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF IT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE INCREASE IN THE SLIDES OVER THE PANDEMIC WHICH IS 2020 WE DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT BECAUSE EVERYBODY WAS HOME. BUSINESSES WERE CLOSED AND THINGS SLOWED DOWN. WHEN YOU LOOK AT CALLS AND HOW WE SEE WHICH CALLS TO RESPOND, STARTED TO LOOK WHERE THEY FELL WITHIN THAT TIME PERIOD. IF YOU LOOK THERE'S RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL RETAIL, SURTIAL -- COMMERCIAL SERVICES. THEY'RE ON THE RISE SINCE 2021. IT'S A STEADY INCREASE AS WE GO THROUGH THE YEAR. I EXPECT IT'S GOING TO KEEP GOING. AS THINGS KEEP GOING. AS THE POPULATION GROWS WE'RE GOING TO SEE INCREASE IN ALARM CALLS. LESS THAN 2% ARE ACTUAL ALARM CALLS. NEXT SLIDE. A MAJORITY OF THE ALARMS ARE FROM COMMERCIAL. RETAIL USES. ONLY ABOUT .3% OF CALS HAVE AN ACTUAL REPORT. WHICH MEANS SOMEBODY BROKE INTO THE HOUSE OR BROKE INTO THE BUSINESS. OR CAUSED SOME KIND OF DAMAGE OR SOMETHING WHERE AN OFFICER HAS TO MAKE A REPORT. IF THERE'S A FIRE OR BURGLARY OR A BAKE IN OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE WE HAVE PROCESSES IN PLACE FOR THAT. WHERE THE OFFICER HAS THE READY TO CALL. THAT'S STILL BEING DONE. BUT THAT'S LESS THAN 2% OF THE TIME. OUT OF THE 30,000 WHICH IS ACTUALLY GOING UP. IT'S TAKING A LOT OF OFFICER'S TIME TO RESPOND. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. A LOT OF THE BUSINESS CALLS ARE GOING TO BE CLOSING UP FOR THE NIGHT. -- THE OFFICER RESPONDS TO THAT. THERE'S A FEW CALLS BETWEEN 11 P.M. AND 6 A.M. SOME ARE FROM 4 P.M. TO 7 P.M. WE HAD TO PULL EVERY ILARM CALL THAT WAS CREAING ALARM. THERE'S A GAMUT. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. HERE'S WHAT WE CAME DOWN TO. IF YOU LOOK AT, THIS TELLING. IMPORTANT ARRESTS. THERE'S 25 CASES WHERE AN ARREST WAS MADE OUT OF 55,000. THAT'S LESS THAN HALF A PERCENT. NEXT SLIDE. AGAIN, THIS GOES INTO THE SAME THING. THIS IS THE ALARM CALLS. IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THEY'RE OCCURRING WE HAVE THE HOT SPOTS WHERE THE ALARM CALLS OCCUR A LOT. NEXT SLIDE. AND NEXT ONE IS WHERE THERE'S A TRUE REPORTED ALARM CALL. SOME OF THEM OVERLAP WITH WHERE THE ALARMS ARE TRUE ALARMS. WHEN WE DO HAVE ANALYSIS ON WHERE THE HOT SPOTS ARE WE MAKE AN ATTACK PLAN OR DIRECT RESOURCES. LAST SLIDE. HERE'S THE MISSION FOR US. ONE OF THE THINGS I LOOKED AT IS WHERE DO WE GET THE INFORMATION FROM. THIS IS OUR VERIFIED RESPONSE. IT'S NATION WIDE. THERE'S ORDINANCE AROUND THE COUNTRY. WHAT IT IS IS WHERE ALARM COMPANIES HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF SOME AUDIO VISUAL OF A CRIME OCCURRING. THIS IS BE ACCOMPLISHED BY A COMPANY PROVIING AUDIO VISUAL IF A CRIME IS ACTUALLY BEAK COMMITTED. IF YOU HAVE A BROKEN WINDOW THERE'S VERIFICATION. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL RESPOND TO. INSTEAD OF HAVING THE ALARM GOING OFF AND GETTING EXTRA TRIPS AND WE'RE STILL SENDING AN OFFICER OUT THERE FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR 99.9% OF THE TIME. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO BRING UP IS FOR DURESS ALARMS WE STILL WILL RESPOND TO NO MATTER WHAT. BECAUSE IT'S THE NATURE OF THE ALARM CALL. I WON'T GET INTO THE MEDICAL ALARMS. WE STILL RESPOND TO SOME OF THOSE. THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE. THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE OTHER RESPONSE AT ALL. THAT'S KIND OF IT IN A NUTSHELL. IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILORS, COUNCILOR DAVIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. CHIEF, THANK YOU. I WAS AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO REMEMBER OUR FIRST TIME OR THE MOST RECENT TIME I GAVE MYSELF A HEADACHE TRYING TO DO ALARM RESPONSE ORDINANCE. IS APD PROPOING A POLICY CHANGE OR RUQUESTING AN ORDINANCE? >> WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS A POLICY CHANGE WITHIN APD ON HOW WE DISPATCH THE CALL FOR SERVICES. WHEN I BECAME CHIEF OF POLICE I REFERRED TO -- TALK ABOUT THREE MILES A GALLON. THIS IS ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO REDUCE THOSE CALL WAIT TIMES. LAST WEEK WE RELEASED SOME RESPONSE TIMES. AND OUR RESPONSE TIME SINCE 202 HAS GREATLY IMPROVED. WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS CONTINUE ON THE IMPROVEMENTS. WE LOOSING 30,000 CALLS WOULD HELP US RESPOND MORE QUICKLY. WE WANTED TO GIVE UPDATE TO THE COUNCIL. WE TOOK A LOT OF QUESTIONS. THAT'S WHY WE CAME TO THE COUNCIL TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION BEFOREHAND. >>COUN. DAVIS: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT CHIEF THANKS. THAT'S A BETTER PROCESS. I THINK COUNCILOR SANCHEZ AND I WILL ALWAYS DO THE FORMER COP THING. I THINK I CAN SPEAK MOST OF THE CALLS ARE A HUGE WASTE OF TIME. LOT OF FOLKS COUNT IT AS AN EXTRA LAYER OF COMFORT AND SECURITY. WHEN I TRIED TO DO THIS ORDINANCE LAST TIME I GOT RANG WITH IT. I WILL NEVER TOUCH THAT AGAIN. I AM NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION. IT'S A SMART THING TO DO. BUT THE ALARM COMPANIES SENT EMAILS AND LETTERS WITH EVERY PERSON WITH AN ALARM AND THEY SAID CALL THE CITY AND TELL THEM APD IS NOT GOING TO RESPOND OR YOU HAVE TO PUT A CAMERA IN YOUR HOME. WE'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD TWICE. AND BOTH TIMES WE OVERWHELMINGLY HEARD THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT RESPONSE. I THINK IT IS A RIGHT POLICY FOR APD. I'LL BE THE ONE TO SAY I THINK OUR COMMUNITY WILL GIVE US A LOT OF PUSHBACK. I HOPE THE DEPARTMENT WILL TAKE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK FALLS UNDER THE RULES AND REGULATION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO FORCE YOU TO DO IF YOU DO SOMETHING WE WANT TO REVERSE IT. I THINK WE WANT TO TREAD LIGHTLY AND ENCOURAGE US TO HAVE THE PUBLIC CONVERSATION. I HOPE APD WON'T DO THAT TOO SOON UNTIL WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION. I AGREE IT'S A BIG WASTE OF TIME. I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT COUNT ON IT ZAN -- AS AN EXTRA LAYER. THAT SAID, CONGRATULATIONS. RESPONSE TIMES ARE BETTER. THAT IS BRINGING EXTRA BODIES. WE'VE SEEN RESPONSE TIMES GO WAY DOWN. PRIORITY THREE CALLS WHICH ARE IMPRESSIVE. THEY'RE DOING GOOD THINKS WITH PSA. I THINK IT'S MAKING A DIFFERENCE. I'M ANXIOUS TO TREAD LIGHTLY ON THIS ONE BECAUSE I BANGED MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL A FEW TIME. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THE ONE THING I WILL SAY IS I APPRECIATE THAT. WE HAVE TO DO A GOOD CAMPAIGN PRIOR EXPLAINING WHAT THIS MEANS AND THE POSSIBLE IMPACTS ARE AND GET THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC. THE BEAUTY OF THIS TIME IS THE PUBLIC WILL HEAR FROM THE CHIEF NOT THE COUNCIL. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK THEY SHOULD CALL THE MAYOR. 768-3000 AND EXTEND YOUR INPUT ABOUT THE ALARM RESPONSE TO APD. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. I'M NOT A FORMER POLICE OFFICER. THANKS FOR THIS. WHEN WOULD YOU BE IMPLEMENTING THE PAUL -- POLICY? >> WE HAVE WORK TO DO AS FAR AS HOW WE VERIFY THE RESPONSE AND LOOKING AT THE CAD DATA. AND FINDING OUT THE CAPABILITIES OF THE ALARM COMPANIES. AND COUNCILOR DAVIS HIT IT ON THE HEAD, WE'RE NOT TELLING PEOPLE WE'RE NOT GOING TO RESPOND. WE'RE ASKING FOR A VERIFICATION BEFORE WE TAKE THE OFFICER OUT OF SERVICE AND SEND THEM TO ANOTHER CALL. IF YOU LOOK AT THE THIRD PARTY ACTOR TO A PRIVATE COMPANY MAKING MONEY USING US AS A FREE SERVICE TO CHECK YOUR HOUSE. I THINK THEY SHOULD TAKE SOME OF THE BURDEN. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU MENTIONED SOME IMMEDIATE HELPING THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND THE POLICY CHANGE. WOULD IT BE SAFE TO SAY ONCE YOU PUT THE POLICY IN PLACE THERE COULD BE SOME PEOPLE WHO MIGHT THINK I HAVE THE SYSTEM THAT WOULD REQUIRE A RESPONSE FROM APD WITHIN 180 MINUTES. YET WITH THIS NEW POLICY IN PLACE I MAY NOT HAVE A SYSTEM THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR AN OFFICER TO COME? >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, WE TAKE THE ADVICE YOU GIVE US. THE PUBLIC EDUCATION IS IMPORTANT. I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB TRAINING AND EDUCATING DISPATCH. MAKE SURE THE INITIAL CALL COMES FROM THE ALARM COMPANY THEY EXPLAIN THE PROCESS TO THE ALARM COMPANY AND HOPE THEY UNDERSTAND AND PASS IT OPTO -- ON TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE COMMANDERS PASS OUT THIS INFORMATION OUT. THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS THE THIRD BIGGEST SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO PUT ON THE SOCIAL MEDIA AND MAKE SURE IT'S GET TO THE PUBLIC THAT THESE CHANGES ARE UNDERWAY. WE ALSO GIVE IT A PERIOD OF TIME TO MAKE SURE ALL THAT IS OUT BEFORE. WE WILL TAKE COUNCIL'S ADVICE AND CONSIDERATION. SLOW THINGS DOWN AND TAKE IT THE TIME TO GET EDUCATION. AND THAT EDUCATION WITHIN THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT ESPECIALLY WITH DISPATCH. >>COUN. LEWIS: I THINK THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY EXTENSIVE EDUCATION PROCESS. YOU MENTIONED OTHER CITIES THAT IMPLEMENTED THIS. HAVE YOU GATHERED DATA ON -- I'M ASSUMING MANY PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY, THEY DON'T HAVE THE ALARM SYSTEMS THAT REQUIRE IN THIS POLICY A CALL FROM APD OR APD TO RESPOND. IS THERE DATA THAT SHOWS THAT THE COST, I MEAN, THE TYPICAL RESIDENT CAN INVEST TO BE ABLE TO GETRY RESPONSE FROM APD IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT -- ONE OF THE KEY THINGS IS MULTIPLE LAYERS WITHIN AN ALARM. MOST PEOPLE DO HAVE AN ALARM OF DIFFERENT ZONEPS -- ZONES WITHIN THEIR HOUSE. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TRIP RESPONSE FROM APD. YOU HAVE MULTIPLE SIGNALS FROM APD. MOST ALARM SYSTEMS DO HAVE THAT. WE CAN DO A LITTLE BIT MORE HOMEWORK AND COME BACK AND MAKE A PRESENTATION AND HAVE ANSWERS TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. AND AFTER WE TALK ONE LAST TIME. >>COUN. LEWIS: REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT OF POLICE OFFICERS THAT MIGHT BE RESPONDING AT THE TYPICAL TIME, THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMETHING YOU IMPLEMENT. I DO THINK, I WOULD THINK ALSO THAT THE AMOUNT OF POLICE OFFICERS THAT WOULD BE RESPONDING AT A TYPICAL TIME OF THE TIME WOULD IN -- IMPROVE. EVEN THOUGH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OFFICERS MIGHT RESPOND TO FALSE CALL YOU HAVE MORE OFFICERS RESPONDING TO CALLS WHERE PEOPLE NEED THEM. I GUESS I'M BRINGING THAT UP AGAIN TO THINK THIS IS NOT A STOP GAP BECAUSE HIING MORE POLICE OFFICERS IS OLD FASHIONED OR UNREALISTIC. I THINK THE PRIORITY IS ON WE WANT ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS WHERE WE CAN HANDLE ALL OF THOSE CALLS WHILE WE'RE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF FALSE CALLS. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. BUT, AGAIN, I WOULDN'T WANT SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO BE A STOP GAP FOR THE FACT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS RESPONDING TO CALLS. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I AGREE. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN THAT OCCURRED, WE'VE BEEN LATELY RELEASING STATISTICS. LAST WEEK OUR FIELD OFFICERS PRODUCED 240 MISDEMEANOR ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS. OUR NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT IS A LOT OF LOW LEVEL QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES. OUR OFFICERS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO INCREASE THOSE ISSANCE OF ACTIVITIES BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE FREE TIME. I THINK IT'S A BALANCING ACT. EVEN THOUGH WE GET MORE OFFICERS IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT THEM DEVOTING THEM TO BEING DISPATCHED TO 30,000 ADDITIONAL CALLS. I LIKE TO SEE THEM HAVE THE TIME TO LOOK FOR AND ASSIST INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE CRIMINAL TRESPASSING PROBLEMS AND WORK THROUGH SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE. AND GET TO THE COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY'RE WORKING THEM. I AGREE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TO GROW THE RANKS OF THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS MANY OFFICERS AS POSSIBLE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE CONTINUE TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF CALLS THAT WE'RE TAKING. SO OFFICERS HAVE THE UNDEDICATED TIME TO BE ABLE TO GOUT THERE AND HELP THE COMMUNITY POLICING AND BE PROACTIVE IN SOME OF THE MEASURES THEY'RE TAKING TO FIGHT CRIME. >>COUN. LEWIS: CHIEF, LAST QUESTION. YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR SENT DOWN A BUDGET THAT DOES FUND LESS POLICE OFFICERS THAN LAST YEAR AS FAR AS HIING NEW POLICE OFFICERS. MY QUESTION TO YOU IS DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED FROM THIS COUNCIL? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM THIS COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE HIING NUMBERS THAT IS THE GOAL, IF IT'S BUDGETED OF THE CITY, IS THERE ANYTHING YOU NEED TO HAVE THE KIND OF SUPPORT THAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO HIRE THOSE OFFICERS? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYBODY WITHIN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. WE KNOW AND RECOGNIZE WE'RE -N -- IN A BUDGET CRUNCH. I COULD CRY AND SAY WE NEED MORE MONEY. IT WOULD RESULT IN LOSSES TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS. I WON'T DO THAT. I RECOGNIZE THAT I'VE BEEN ASSURED BY MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL THAT IF WE GET TO THE HIING NUMBERS WE NEED AND ADDITIONAL FUNDING WE WOULD GET WHAT WE NEEDED. YOU ALWAYS FELT WE HAD THAT FROM CITY COUNCIL. I REACHED TO COUNCILOR BASSAN LAST WEEKEND. EACH ONE OF YOU WILL BE HIT UP BY COMMANDERS FOR FUNDING ISSUES TOWARD THE END OF THE YEAR. WE LIKE TO BUY LOCKERS FOR PROPERTY TO BE ISSUED AT SEECH SUBSTATION. HOUSE BILL NINE, IT'S A BIG HOUSE BILL WE SUPPORTED IT. SAFE STORAGE FIREARMS. WE PROPOSE TO MAKE SURE EVERY OFFICER HAS A LOCK BOX SO THEIR FIREARMS ARE SECURED AND WE DON'T VIOLATE STATE LAW. AND WE'RE PREPARED FOR IT. AS LONG AS WE'RE OPEN TO POSITIVE, CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATION TODAY AND WE'RE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER AND EVEN THOUGH WE GEINTO THE BUDGET SEASON WITH LESS MONEY I FEEL CONFIDENT I HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH ALMOST EVERYBODY UP THERE AND MAKE A PHONE CALL AND SAY WE NEED HELP AND GET ASSISTANCE. THE MAYOR HAS ALWAYS BEEN GREAT. LAWRENCE HAS BEEN GREAT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE FUNDING WE NEED. THE RAISE FOR THE CADETS IS HUGE. IT'S GOING TO BE MAKING THE DIFFERENCE TO BE THE TOP RECRUITERS IN THE STATE. AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE OPEN WITH EACH OTHER AND WE LEAVE THE COMMUNICATION OPEN I WILL ALWAYS SAY I WISH I HAD MORE MONEY. BUT I ALSO RECOGNIZE BEING SELFISH AT THIS POINT IS GOING TO COME AT A COST TO MY COLLEAGUES AND THEIR PROCESSES. >>COUN. LEWIS: CHIEF, EVEN WITH THE MONEY PROPOSED RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BE ABLE TO HIRE 1,040 POLICE OFFICERS. YOU DON'T NEED MORE MONEY TO HIRE THEM. I'M ASKING IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM THIS COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE GOAL OF THE OFFICERS THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THE KIND OF CALLS OUR CONSTITUENTS HAVE EVERY DAY? >> THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. RAEL. >> FOR THE FOLKS LISTENING TO THE MEETING, THE PURPOSE OF THE PRESENTATION WAS TO BEGIN THE CONVERSATION AS THE KREEF DESCRIBED FOR THE EDUCATION PROCESS TO DESCRIBE THE MAGNITUDE OF THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT OFFICER RESPOND WHERE THE THING IS FALSE ALARMS. AND EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALARMS FORGET TO CLOSE THE BACKDOOR OR FORGET TO TELL THE CHILDREN THE ALARM IS ON OR SOMETHING IS GOING ON THAT TRIPS AN ALARM CALL TO APD AND THUS TRIGGERS THE RESPONSE. THE KEY HERE IS THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS. I JUST WANT TO ASSURE YOU ALL THAT I'VE BEEN AROUND THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE. AND I GET THE CALLS THAT WILL COME TO YOU ALL. I THINK THE POINT IN THE PRESENTATION IS TO BEGIN TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. THERE MAY BE OTHER ALTERNATIVES OUT THERE WE CAN THINK OF COLLECTIVELY IN USING EITHER OTHERS THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE HELPFUL TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THE CALLS ET CETERA. BUT NO DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE. I ASK THE CHIEF AND DEPUTY CHIEF TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION TO BEGIN TO IMPRESS UPON YOU AND THE COMMUNITY OF HOW IMPORTANT THESE ALARM CALLS ARE AS IT RELATES TO THE TIME THAT IT TAKES TO WORK THROUGH THEM. AND TO THE POINT IF WE START TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE BEING REALLY CAREFUL WHEN THEY SET THEIR ALARMS AND ENSUING THAT WE'RE NOT TRIPPING A FALSE ALARM AND TAKING A POLICE OFFICER FROM AN IMPORTANT CALL TO A CALL THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN WHAT IT WAS WHEN THEY FIRST CALLED TO THE SCENE. WITH THAT, MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WILL WORK THROUGH THIS AND WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS AS WHY MOVE FORWARD. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE OFFICERS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. RAEL, YOU HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION YOU WANTED TO SAY? >> MR. PRESIDENT, IF YOU WOULD INDULLAGE US FOR A MINUTE. I WOULD LIKE A QUICK PRESENTATION THAT WILL BE VERY SHORT. >> THANK YOU TO THE ADMINISTRATION FOR INVITING ME TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU ALL. ALBUQUERQUE AS A CITY WAS JUST AWARDED THE FIRST PLACE AWARD IN THE CITY CATEGORY FOR CULTURAL DIVERSITY. IT'S A REFLECTION OF YOUR WORK AND THE POLICY WORK AND WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION HAS DONE. WE WANTED TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU. OUR TEAM GOT TOGETHER AND RECEIVED THIS AT THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITY SUMMIT LAST WEEK. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. IT WILL BE ON DISPLAY FOR ALL TO SEE IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. >>COUN. GROUT: CONGRATULATIONS. THAT'S WONDERFUL. GOOD JOB. [ APPLAUSE ]. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. COUNCILOR JONES, ARE YOU AVAILABLE TO DO THE PROCLAMATION? I'LL GO AHEAD AND DO IT FOR HER. >>COUN. JONES: HERE I AM. >>COUN. GROUT: GO AHEAD. >>COUN. JONES: THANK YOU. THIS IS A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING SEXUAL ASSAULT AWARENESS. WHEREAS, APRIL 2023 MARKS THE OFFICIAL 2 -- 22nd ANVEVERSERY F SEXUAL ASSAULT AWARENESS MONTH. AND IT'S A WIDESPREAD PREVENT ABLE PUBLIC HEALTH PROBLEM IN NEW MEXICO. ONE IN THREE WOMEN AND ONE IN FOUR MEN HAVE EXPERIENCED SEXUAL VIOLENCE INVOLVING PHYSICAL CONTACT DURING THEIR LIFETIME. AND WHEREAS NATIONALLY ONE IN EIGHT FEMALE RAPE VICTIMS REPORT THEIR SEXUAL ASSAULT OCCURRED BEFORE THE AGE OF DWREERNZ. AND ONE IN FOUR MAIL RAPE VICTIMS ALSO REPORTED THE RAPE BEFORE THE AGE OF TEN YEARS. WHEREAS ESTIMATES PUT THE COST OF RAPE AT $122,000 PER VICTIM. INCLUING MEDICAL COSTS, LOST PRODUCKATIVITY, CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND OTHER COSTS. WHEREAS IN 2022, THERE WERE A 537 SEX CRIMES. AND THE STATISTICS DO NOT REPRESENT THE TRUE INCIDENTS AND PREVALENCE FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. INCLUING NOT ALL VICTIMS REPORT THE CRIMES TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. WHEREAS FOR 50 YEARS THE RAPE CRISIS CENTER OF CENTRAL NEW MEXICO HAS PROVIDED SERVICES TO SEXUAL ASSAULT SURVIVORS. AND IN 2022 ASSISTED 1,146 SEXUAL ASSAULT SURVIVORS. THE YOUNGEST SURVIVOR IS UNDER ONE YEAR OLD. AND THE OLDEST SURVIVOR BEING 86 YEARS OLD. BE IT PROCLAIMED THAT THE COUNCIL THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF APRIL 2023 SEXUAL ASSAULT AND AWARENESS MONTH. AND WITH THAT, WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND TALK WITH US ABOUT THIS. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, THANK YOU FOR GIVING THIS TIME. COUNCILOR JONES, THANK YOU FOR GIVING A VOICE TO THIS ISSUE. SEXUAL ASSAULT DOES HAPPEN IN OUR COMMUNITY WAY TOO OFTEN AND WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT. APRIL IS THE TIME TO GIVE SPACE AND TIME AND THOUGHT OF THIS VILNALITY -- VIOLENT CRIME. THE PURPOSE OF -- AS MUCH AS IT'S A SERIOUS CRIME WE ALSO RECOGNIZE TO GIVE SPACE WE HAVE TO MAKE IT SAFE. WE'RE GOING TO PAINT THE TOWN IN TEAL. CITY COUNCIL IS ILLUMINATED IN TEAL. WHEN YOU SEE TEAL IN YOUR BUILDING AND AROUND THE CITY, WE'RE DOING SEVERAL CAMPAIGNS AND THEY ALL INVOLVE TEAL. YOU'LL RECOGNIZE THAT YOUR WORK AND YOUR VOICE HAVE ADDED TO OURS. WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT. MORE PARENTALLY THE AGENCIES HERE INCLUDE ALBUQUERQUE SEXUAL ASSAULT NURSE EXAMINERS. RAPE CRISIS OF CENTRAL NEW MEXICO AND THE COALITION OF SEXUAL ASSAULT PROGRAMS. WE WANT TO GIVE RECOGNITION TO THE SEX CRIMES UNIT AT THE FAMILY ADVOCACY CENTER. WE COULD NOT DO THIS WORK WITHOUT THEM. THEY'RE FULLY ENGAGED IN THE WORK. WE APPRECIATE THEM AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SUPPORTING OUR WORK AND STANDING WITH US. >>COUN. JONES: IF I MAY, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL OF THE LADIES FOR THE SUPPORT AND HARD WORK THEY PUT INTO THIS. IT IS ABSOLUTELY INVALUABLE. THANK YOU, ALL. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COUNCILOR JONES. I'M SO THANKFUL FOR YOU AND THE WORK YOU DO IN THE COMMUNITIES. MUCH NEEDED AND WE APPRECIATE YOU. WE HAVE A CERTIFICATE FOR YOU. >> FOR US? >>COUN. GROUT: YEAH. >> OKAY. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE ADMINISTRATION QUESTIONS AND ANSWER PERIOD. COUNCILORS, COO -- DO WE HAVE ANYONE WITH QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. I WAS HOPING WE COULD EITHER HEAR DTI. I KNOW THAT MANY OF US HEARD FROM CONSTITUENTS ABOUT EMAILS GETTING BLOCKED. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT I NEVER DIRECTED ANYONE TO BLOCK MY EMAIL FROM THIS. SO I DON'T WANT TO SIT THERE AND PICK AND CHOOSE WHO I HEAR FROM FROM MY CONSTITUENTS. MY QUESTIONS ARE WHO DID IT? WHO BLOCKED IT? WHO PERMITTED IT TO HAPPEN? THIS IS PREVENTING A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. THIS SEEMS LIKE A REALLY BIG ACCIDENT. AND IT'S WORRISOME TO ME. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, IF I CAN GIVE A BIT OF CONTEXT. I'M THE DEPARTMENT OF TECHNOLOGY OF INVASION. -- WRNG WE MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN GET IN CONTACT WITH CITY HALL. THAT INCLUDES EMAIL. LET ME GIVE YOU CONTEXT. WE HAVE AROUND 8 MILLION EMAILS THAT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE RECEIVED LAST QUARTER. 40% WHICH IS AROUND 3 MILLION WERE BLOCKED. WHEN WE DO RECEIVE MALWARE OR THAT KIND OF THING, I WANT TO GIVE YOU NUMBERS AS TO HOW MUCH THIS COST. IN JANUARY 2022 THEY ALLOCATE $2 MILLION IN REMEDIATION. APS ALLOCATED AROUND $300,000 IN REMEDIATION. IN 2018, $17 MILLION. IN BALTIMORE IN 2019 THEIR COST WAS $18 MILLION AFTER AN ATTACK. THESE ARE BIG NUMBERS. WE'RE OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO KEEP THE CITY PROTECTED. WE HAVE TO BE CORRECT EVERY SINGLE TIME AGAINST THOSE THREE MILLION EMAILS. TIME TO DIAGNOSE AND MAKE THE RIGHT CALLS IS GETTING SHORTER. THE I.T. SECURITY TEAM BASES THEIR ANALYSIS ON ESTABLISHED SECURITY PROTOCOLS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. IT'S NICE TO MEET YOU. HOW CAN WE REASSURE THE PUBLIC THAT WE ARE NOT SITTING HERE CENSORING THEM AND PREVENTING THEM FROM REACHING OUT TO THE PEOPLE THEY ELECTED TO SERVE THEM? THEY'RE VERY ANGRY. I AM AS WELL. I RESPECT WE HAVE TO BE SAFE AND KEEP THE CITY PROTECTED. BUT WE'RE HERE TO SERVE. IF WE CAN'T DO THAT, HOW DO WE REASSURE THEM THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. HOW DO THEY SLEEP AT NIGHT KNOWING THEY CAN GET A HOLD OF US? >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. OBVIOUSLY AFTER ANY TIME THIS THING HANZ WE LOOK FOR WAYS OF IMPROVING. AS DO OUR ADVER AIRIES. THIS IS LIKE AN ARMS RACE. WE DON'T BLOCK EMAILS JUST BECAUSE WE'RE BLOCKING. THEY'RE BLOCKED BECAUSE THEY MATCH MALWARE OR MALICIOUS ACTIVITY. IF YOU DON'T FALL INTO THOSE CATEGORIES WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THE EMAILS GET THROUGH. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I HAVE A QUESTION ON A DIFFERENT AVENUE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHER COUNCILORS HAVE QUESTIONS. >>COUN. GROUT: DO ANY OTHER COUNCILORS HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WHO PERMITTED IT? THAT BLOCKING. WHY DID IT HAPPEN? IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN THE DETAILS OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE ASKING A SPECIFIC QUESTION. COUNCILOR BASSAN ASKED A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT WHO DOES IT. WHO MAKES THE BLOCKS. WHO PERMITTED IT. HOW IS IT DECIDED TO DO SO? AND WHY IS IT DONE WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE EMAIL. YOU DIDN'T ANSWER ANY OF THE QUESTIONS. YOU WENT ON A DIFFERENT TANGENT. IF YOU CAN ANSWER THE SPECIFIC QUESTION. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, I BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF WHAT I SAY IS LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE OUR ANTI- VIRUS GOING ON AT HOME. A LOT OF THE TIME YOU DON'T KNOW THE EMAILS HAVE BEEN BLOCKED. IT'S BLOCKED BECAUSE THEY'RE SUSPICIOUS OR CONTAIN MALWARE OR THEY COULD POTENTIALLY CONTAIN MALWARE. COULD YOU GIVE ME MORE INFORMATION AS TO WHICH INCIDENT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BLOCKING? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: EVERY ONE OF US RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM AN INDIVIDUAL WHO STATED WITH TIMING IN REFERENCE TO A STORY HE PUT ON THIS BLOG THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN AFTER THAT STORY WAS PUT OUT HE WAS BLOCKED AND THE COUNCILORS WERE CENSORED. THAT'S WHAT I'M REFERRING TO. ALL WE NEED IS SPECIFIC INFORMATION. THE TIMING IS VERY SUSPICIOUS IN REFERENCE TO THAT BLOCKAGE. AND WHO PERMITS BLOCKAGE IN YOUR OFFICE? I'M STILL ASKING THE SAME QUESTION. IS IT THE MAY SNR >> MR. PRESIDENT, IT'S NOT THE MAYOR. WHEN WE BLOCK, IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE DETECTING SOMETHING THAT LOOKS SUSPICIOUS. AND IN THIS CASE IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS -- I BELIEVE THE REFERENCE YOU'RE MAKING THERE WAS A PRIVATE EMAIL ADDRESS THAT WE KNOW THAT IS USED. IT LOOKED LIKE THEY -- IT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE GOING TO ATTACK AND WE HAD A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME TO MAKE THE DECISION. WE MADE THE DECISION TO KEEP CITY ASSETS SAFE. IT WAS A VERY QUICK DECISION. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THIS SAME EMAIL HAS CAME TO EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO WAS ON THE LIST OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND WHAT I'M ASKING YOU IS AGAIN, WHO PERMITTED IT TO HAPPEN? AND I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF INVESTIGATION IN REFERENCE TO THIS. YOU'RE NOT GIVING US A STRAIGHT ANSWER. THIS HAPPENS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THIS BODY UP HERE, WE'RE THE CITY COUNCIL. WE'RE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY. OUR JOB IS TO CHECK AND BALANCE THE ADMINISTRATION. WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON. AND WE DON'T GET THOSE ANSWERS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, WE WERE SEEING SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY. THEREFORE WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION PRETTY QUICKLY. WE DIDN'T BLOCK ANY COUNCILOR'S EMAILS. THIS IS JUST ONE EMAIL ADDRESS, WHICH AGAIN, WE GOT INTO DETAILS TO MAKE THE DECISION. IF IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GETTING A POTENTIAL ATTACK FROM A PRIVATE EMAIL ADDRESS. WE KNOW THE PRIVATE EMAIL ARE A BIG PROBLEM. WE HAVE TO BE RIGHT AND MAKE A VERY QUICK CALL ON THESE. AS SOON AS WE REALIZED THIS WASN'T THE CASE AND IT WASN'T AN ATTACK WE UNBLOCKED THE EMAIL ADDRESS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I DO KNOW, THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I KNOW IT WAS UNBLOCKED. ONLY AFTER IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE ATTENTION. THAT'S ALSO CONCERNING. IT ALMOST SEEMS TO A NORMAL PERSON LOOKING IN AT THIS IS THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT WAS SAID ON SUCH AND SUCH BLOG, SO IT GOT BLOCKED. COUNCILORS GOT CENSORED. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE A RELEASE OF THE -- NOW IT'S UNBLOCKED BASED ON THE FACT THAT NOW WE KNOW IT'S NOT A THREAT. IT SOUNDS VERY, VERY FISHY TO ME. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WASN'T DONE PROPERLY AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE TO THE ACTUAL CENSOR FROM READING WHAT THIS PERSON HAD JUST BECAUSE IT MAY NOT AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO US. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. RAEL. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, LOOK ALL OF US IN THIS MODERN TIME OF COMMUNICATION THAT WE HAVE OUR OWN PERSONAL EMAIL AND OUR OWN MACHINES WE HAVE A SPAM BLOCK ON INFORMATION WE DON'T WANT TO READ AND HAVE CONTENT ABOUT. HOWEVER WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN ORGANIZATION THE SIT -- THE SIZE OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. AND THE POSSIBILITY OF WHAT A PHISHING MALWARE WOULD CREATE AGAINST THE CITY'S COMPUTER SYSTEM THAT IS HIGHLY DEPENDED UPON. ANYTHING FROM POLICE DISPATCH TO PAYCHECKS TO EMPLOYEES TO EVERYTHING ELSE PROCESSED IN THE CITY IS ONE SYSTEM. YES, WE DO BLOCK EMAILS FROM TIME TO TIME WHENEVER IT IS DETERMINED THROUGH THE SYSTEMS WE HAVE EMBEDDED IN THE -- I.T. WORLD THAT FLAGS THOSE. IT GETS THE SIGNAL THERE COULD BE SOME FOLKS TRYING TO PHIS INFORMATION OUT OF THE SYSTEM. THIS HAPPENED TO BERNALILLO COUNTY JUST WITHIN THE LAST 12 MONTHS. IT SHUT DOWN THEIR WHOLE SYSTEMS. UNFORTUNATELY, THE TIMING ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE AS IT RELATES TO THIS PARTICULAR EMAIL, BECAUSE I TOO GOT A NOTE FROM THE CITIZENS ASKING ME OR FROM SOMEONE ASKING ME THE QUESTION ON THIS PARTICULAR BLOG. ONCE IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IT WASN'T AN EXPEDITION IT WAS UNBLOCKED. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EXECUTIVE, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. I HAD NO CLUE THAT IT HAD BEEN BLOCKED EITHER. I KNOW THE MAYOR DID NOT, AS WELL. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS DONE FROM AN I.T. PERSPECTIVE. STRAIGHT UP AS A MECHANISM TO PROTECT THE I.T. SYSTEM OF THE CITY AND TO ASSURE WE'RE NOT SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN INCONVENIENING PEOPLE BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE THE SYSTEMS OPERATING. THIS IS WHAT OUR WORLD HAS EVOLVED. WE DEPEND ON THE SYSTEMS ALL THE TIME. AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS. IT SIMPLY HAPPENED THE WAY THAT EMAIL WAS FORMATTED AND THE, IF YOU WILL, THE DOMAINS USED CREATED A CONCERN AS IT RELATES TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS WAS A PHISHING EXPEDITION. IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IT WASN'T AND UNBLOCKED. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THE DIFFERENCE IS WE HAVE PRIVATE EMAILS AND THESE ARE PUBLIC EMAILS. BASED ON THE TIMING, AND THE FACT THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS SENT NUMEROUS, HUNDREDS OF EMAILS, WHY THE TIMING. I'M HAVING A HARD TIME BUYING. I UNDERSTAND YOUR EXPLANATION. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, BEFORE WE CONTINUE I WANT TO REMIND FOLKS WE HAVE NEW FOLKS JOINING US. IT'S A GOOD REMINDER TO REVIEW RULES. SOME OF YOU BEEN HERE BEFORE. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN HERE BEFORE THERE'S COPIES OF THE RULES. THERE'S RULES FOR YOU OUTSIDE. THERE ARE NO SIGNS, PROPS, POSTERS OR BANNERS ALLOWED IN THE CHAMBERS. ANY MATERIALS THAT CAN BE WAIVED OR IN A MANNER THAT BLOCKS THE VIEW OR CREATES A DISTRACTION IS NOT PERMITTED. ITEMS DISPLAYED MUST BE REMOVED AT THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENT. AND ONLY THE PERSON THAT WAS CALLED MAY STAND AT THE PODIUM. THERE BE NO TOLERANCE FOR PUBLIC OUTBURST. THERE'S A HANDICAPPED AREA. THOSE RECORDING THE MEETING WILL BE DIRECTED THERE AND THE FIRE MARSHAL WILL ENFORCE THE RULES. WE PROVIDE ONE WARNING FOR CAUSING A DISRUPTION AND RESERVE THE RIGHT TO TELL SOMEONE TO LEAVE THE CHAMBERS. GENTLEMEN, I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE, WE DON'T ALLOW FILMING THERE. WE MADE A SPACE IN THE FRONT ROW AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO JOIN US THERE TO DO THAT SO OTHER FOLKS CAN SEE. WE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. COUNCILOR BASSAN. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR ADMINISTRATION. I'VE HAD CONSTITUENTS REACH OUT TO PARKS AND THEY'RE CURIOUS WHY THE SENIOR RATES OF GOLF COURSES ARE NOT THE SAME AS WEEKENDS AS THE WEEK. I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN HAVE AN EXPLANATION. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, I DON'T KNOW IF OUR PARKS DIRECTOR IS HERE. >>COUN. GROUT: HE'S HERE. >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, SORRY. I TOOK THE LONG WAY AROUND. YES, WE RECEIVED QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT SUBJECT. WE'VE DONE RESEARCH INTO THE SUMTH SO WE HAVE A FULL GRASP OF HOW ALL COURSES IN THE AREA TREAT THAT ISSUE. WE HAVE PRETTY ROBUST DISCOUNT IN PLACE FOR SENIORS RIGHT NOW. AND THEY HAVE EXTENDED TO THAT TIME PERIOD PRESENTLY. IT IS THE BUSIEST TIME OF THE WEEK. SO, WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT HOW ALL THE COURSES ARE DOING IT. WHETHER WE LOOK AT A CHANGE TO THAT IS I'M TRYING TO GET A FULL PICTURE OF THAT RIGHT NOW. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. I MEAN ONE COULD ARGUE A LOT OF SENIORS ARE RETIRED SO MANY THE WEEK IS FINE. FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T RETIRED OR WANT TO GOLF ON THE WEEKENDS IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IF WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWER. >> SURE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, IF I MAY ADD A POINT. IN THE PAST, ONE OF THE CONCERNS HAS BEEN FOR THE VERY POINT YOU MADE, COUNCILOR BASSAN, WHICH IS IF THE SENIORS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE BEST TEE TEAMS ON THE WEEKENDS THEN THOSE FOLKS THAT WORK EVERY DAY CAN'T GET THEM. YOU HAVE TO BALANCE THE TWO. AS THE DIRECTOR SAID WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK INTO THAT TO OFFICER OFFER THE BEST OF THE BOTH WORLDS FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO USE THE GOLF COURSE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. THIS QUESTION IS FOR MR. RAEL. I RECEIVED YOUR MEMO TODAY ABOUT WHAT I CONSIDER A SEVERE LIMITATION ON ADMIN Q&A. I'M WONDERING THE RATIONALE FOR THAT. I'VE HAD ONE DIRECTOR TELL ME IN THE PAST THAT SHE WOULD NOT ANSWER MY QUESTIONS IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC UNLESS SHE WAS MADE TO BY THE MAYOR. IT'S NOT VERY TRANSPARENT. IT'S NOT VERY OPEN TO THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE. I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN GIVE INFORMATION ON THIS NEW LIMITATION ON OUR ABILITY TO QUESTION AND ANSWER DIRECTORS AND PEOPLE FROM THE STAFF WHO, YOU KNOW, IS ONE OF OUR ONLY CHANCES TO LEARN WHAT'S GOING ON. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I APPRECIATE YOUR QUESTION. ON THE PRACTICAL MATTER AND FROM OBSERING OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS FOR SOME TIME, A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM ALL OF YOU HAVE COME UP ON MANY OF THE COUNCIL MEETINGS. YOU INTEREST INTENT WITH THIS LETTER TO YOU ALL WAS THAT MANY OF YOU OR SOME OF YOU ARE SENDING YOUR QUESTIONS IN WRITING AND GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN EXPLANATION, IF YOU WILL, ON THE QUESTIONS YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. AND OTHERS DON'T. THAT'S FINE TOO. I THINK THAT'S OBVIOUSLY YOUR PREROGATIVE. MY MEMO WAS SIMPLY TO TRY AND PROVIDE ALL OF YOU, IF YOU WILL, WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ALL THE INFORMATION WE CAN. IT'S A LOT EASIER TO GET DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THEIR STAFF TO GET TOGETHER AND ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS IF WE GET THEM IN WRITING SOONER THAN LATER. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S ALWAYS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO ASK THE QUESTIONS AS WE ARE TONIGHT. WE'LL MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO TRY AND ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION WE WILL OBVIOUSLY AS I SUGGESTED WE WOULD RUFRN -- RETURN BACK AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING OR DURING THE COURSE OF THE WEEK AND ANSWER THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. THE IDEA IS IF WE WANT TO GET MORE OF AN ANSWER TO ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO US IF WE GOT THOSE IN WRITING EARLIER. AND IT WAS JUST AN ATTEMPT TO GET TO THAT POINT. I KNOW WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE. I KNOW SOME OF YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT ASKING THE QUESTIONS HERE AT THE MEETING. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND WE'LL DO OUR VERY BEST. THE IDEA HERE WAS SIMPLY TO TRY TO SET A PROCESS WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET YOU BETTER INFORMATION IN MORE THOROUGH DISCUSSION AT THIS MEETING. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THE CLAIM BY ONE DIRECTOR THAT QUESTIONS WILL NOT BE ANSWERED UNLESS MADE TO BY THE MAYOR. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS A RIGHT TO ASK QUESTIONS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK QUESTIONS. AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY MAY HAVE BEEN REPRESENTED, I WOULD SAY TO YOU, UNDER THE CITY CHART ER ET CETERA, THOSE QUESTIONS WILL BE DIRECTED TO ME AND I WILL ENSURE WE GET YOU THE ANSWERS. WE WANT TO BE COLLABORATIVE AND COOPERATIVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. I THINK WE'VE SHOWN WE'RE WILLING TO VISIT WITH ALL OF YOU AND TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AS BEST WE CAN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I THINK THAT'S TRUE FOR YOU, MR. RAEL. I DON'T THINK THAT TRANSLATES TO ALL OF THE DIRECTORS. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD WORK ON. I THINK THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO HAVE THESE Q&A'S HAPPEN SO THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE GOVERNMENT. THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWER. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILOR DAVIS. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. RAEL, YOU SAID THIS IS MEMO FOR ANY QUESTIONS RAISED DURING THE Q&A NOT PROVIDED BY THE DEADLINE OUR PRACTICE WILL BE TO RESPOND IN WRITING DURING THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. THAT SOUNDED LIKE THE DEFINITIVE PART OF THE MEMO. THERE WAS NO WE'LL DO THE BEST TO ANSWER THOSE IF THEY COME UP AFTER THE FRIDAY DEADLINE. I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. AND YOU ALL DON'T SET THE POLICY OR PROCEDURES FOR HOW WE OPERATE OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS. SO, I THINK THE WAY YOU DESCRIBE IT THOSE THOUGH IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU DESCRIBED IN THE MEMO. I EXPECT AND I THINK THIS COUNCIL WOULD EXPECT THAT EVERY DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY REPRESENTED AT A COUNCIL MEETING WHERE WE DO THE CITY'S BUSINESS FOR FIVE OR SIX HOURS AT TIMES EVERY OTHER MONDAY NIGHT AT 5 O'CLOCK AT THE END OF THE WORKDAY. I WOULD EXPECT THAT YOU HAVE STAFF HERE READY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU HAVE BEEN PREPPED ON THEM ON A FRIDAY THROUGH DAYS BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR LEWIS, THANKS FOR DOING THAT. MR. RAEL, I APPRECIATE THE CALL ABOUT THE MEMO. WE KNEW THIS WOULD CAUSE DISCUSSION. I THINK I HAVE TO DO A RESPONSE. I DO THINK THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T GET TO SET THOSE TERMS. I UNDERSTAND THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO COME UP WITH A PROCESS TO GET BETTER INFORMATION. THAT'S ALL IN GOOD TIME OR YOU KNOW IN THE RIGHT SPIRIT. I THINK THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS COUNCIL ONLY DOES MEET EVERY OTHER WEEK. YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR A NUMBER OF ADMINISTRATIONS BACK AND FORTH. THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THIS. THE FACT IS WE ONLY HAVE SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE CITY WORKS TO TRANSLATE TO THE COMMUNITY. AND SO I THINK IT'S ON THE ADMINISTRATION'S ONUS TO HAVE SOMEBODY HERE THAT UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY AND IF THE COUNCIL OR COMMUNITY HAS A QUESTION THIS IS THE FORUM. IF THE CAO DOESN'T HAVE THE ANSWER IT'S INCUMBENT ON THEM TO HAVE PEOPLE HERE. WE'RE HERE AT THE SAME TIME EVERY TWO WEEKS. I THINK THE YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB RESPONDING IN GENERAL. AND KNOWING WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY. THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T GET TO DICTATE THE TERMS. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO ANSWER OR WE NEED MORE TIME. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP ASKING QUESTIONS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE POINT. I WOULD SAY THIS, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE WILLING TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU ALL NEED TO MAKE YOUR DECISIONS. EVERY TIME WE MEET TOGETHER. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS REALLY THE SPIRIT IN THE CONVERSATION WHICH IS IF WE HAVE THE WRONG PERSON HERE FOR THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE ASKED, YOU ALL WOULD UNDERSTAND TAT WE MAY TO YOU THAT THE DIRECTOR IS GONE AND THE DEPUTY FOR THAT AREA IS NOT HERE TONIGHT TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. AND WE'LL GET BACK WITH YOU. IT FEELS LIKE I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL KNOW WE'RE NOT TRYING TO NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION. IN SOME CASES WE DO HAVE THE WRONG PERSON IN THE ROOM. AND THERE ARE NINE OF YOU WITH NINE OPINIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY TIME I COME TO THE COUNCIL MEETING I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO BE AND HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE. I DO APPRECIATE YOUR REMARKS. >>COUN. DAVIS: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I SEE COUNCILOR BENTON IS RAISING HIS HAND. MR. RAEL, I'LL SUGGEST OUR DIRECTORS WILL HATE US FOR THIS, SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, WE DO HAVE REMOTE OPTIONS. WE HAVE TWO COUNCILORS REMOTE. I THINK EVERY ONE HAS A REMOTE MEMBER. PERHAPS THE MEMBERS CAN BE ON CALL AND WORK OUT A PROCESS TO BRING THEM BACK AFTER THE LUNCH BREAK TO DO Q&A. TECHNOLOGY IS GREAT. THIS IS THAT FORUM. I DON'T WANT TO PICK A FIGHT WITH THE ADMINISTRATION. I THINK IT'S -- WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK BETTER TOGETHER. AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET THE INFORMATION WE NEED TO MAKE DECISIONS. I'M GRATEFUL FOR YOU. WE'VE SPENT A LOT MORE TIME TOGETHER WORKING ON THE THINGS THE LAST FEW WEEKS THAN IN A LONG TIME. I THINK THE COUNCIL WANTS TO BE SURE TO GET THE RIGHT ANSWERS. LET'S FIGURE OUT TO GET MORE PEOPLE FOR THE RIGHT ANSWERS INSTEAD OF DELAYING. THE PEOPLE FEEL IT TAKESES MONTHS AND WEEKS TO RESPOND TO ANSWERS. WE KNOW BETTER. AND THANK YOU FOR DOING BETTER. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS Q&A SESSIONS FOR A WHILE NOW. AND YOU KNOW IT IS A TWO-WAY STREET. I'LL SAY THAT WHAT I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO DO, WHICH IS WHAT I DO AND IT DOESN'T PEEN ANYBODY ELSE HAS TO DO IT THAT WAY. WHEN POSSIBLE, IS GIVE THE DIRECTOR OR THE DEPARTMENT A FAIR WARNING. OF WHAT THE QUESTION IS. AND IF I CAN GET AN ANSWER TO THAT, EVEN BEFORE THE MEETING THEN SOMETIMES THAT'S FINE. SOMETIMES I WANT THAT ANSWER TO BE STATED IN THE PUBLIC FORUM OF THE COUNCIL MEETING. I THINK WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITY OF OURSELVES TO GIVE A FAIR WARNING. I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE QUESTIONABLE -- IT COULD BE QUESTIONED AS TO IF EVERY DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE SITTING IN THIS ROOM. IN THE ROOM YOU'RE IN TONIGHT, I'M NOT. AT EVERY MEETING. AND THEN HAVING HEARD NO QUESTIONS FOR THEIR DEPARTMENT THEY'VE TAKEN THAT TIME THAT MIGHT BE BETTER SPENT ON MORE IMPORTANT CITY BUSINESS. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. WE'RE IN THIS TOGETHER. WE NEED TO MAKE THIS CITY GOVERNMENT WORK. AND I DON'T DISDWROOE BNG I DON'T -- WHEN THERE'S A HOT ISSUE THAT CAN COME UP. AND THERE'S NO CHANCE FOR THE FAIR WARNING. I THINK THE FAIR WARNING WHEN POSSIBLE IS ALSO INCUMBENT UPON US TO GIVE AND TRY TO GIVE THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR A PROPER ANSWER. AND AN ANSWER THAT WILL FULFILL THE ACTUAL QUESTION. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN THE PUBLIC FORP SOMETIMES IT'S A QUESTION THAT I WILL ASK AND IF YOU CAN'T GET ME AN ANSWER THEN I WILL ASK IT ON MONDAY NIGHT. THAT'S OKAY TOO. JUST AN OBSEATION OF QUITE A FEW YEARS OF WATCHING THE INTERACTIONS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BENTON. COUNCILOR PEÑA. OKAY. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. MR. RAEL, YOU MENTIONED IT EARLIER. THE REASON WHY TRADITIONALLY FOR A REASON WHY WE HAVE ALL THE DIRECTORS IN COUNCIL. YUPG BULGE THERE AND BLRTIAL BLRTIAL I'VE SAT THERE AS PART OF ONE OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S STAFF. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I TRADITIONALLY REMEMBER IS THAT WHEN A COUNCILOR ASKED A QUESTION OF THE DIRECTOR, THAT DIRECTOR SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET ON THE CELL PHONE AND FIND THE RIGHT ANSWER OR FIND THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IMMEDIATELY. THIS IS CITY GOVERNMENT. YOU HAVE A HIERARCHY AND A DIRECTOR. IF A COUNCILOR NEEDS TO ASK A DIRECTOR A QUESTION AND IT'S A SPECIFIC QUESTION, THEN THERE SHOULD BE NO REASON WHY THAT ACTUAL DIRECTOR CANNOT STAND UP THERE, IF HE KNOWS THIS DEPARTMENT, HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO STAND THERE AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION DIRECTLY. OR IMMEDIATELY GET ON A PHONE AND FIND OUT AND COME BACK WITHIN THREE TO FIVE MINUTES, EASILY, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY TRADITIONALLY THAT CAN'T HAPPEN. BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN DONE. I'VE BEEN A CITY EMPLOYEE FOR 26 YEARS. I'VE SEEN IT OVER AND OVER THROUGHOUT THE YEARS. WHY CAN'T THAT HAPPEN? THERE -- IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAPPEN. I JUST WANT TO THANK THE OTHER COUNCILORS FOR UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE UP OUR LEGISLATIVE ABILITY FOR CHECKS AND BALANCES BASED ON THIS LETTER. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. ONE, I JUST WANT TO SAY, THANKS TO COUNCILOR BASSAN AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ FOR RAISING ING THE QUESTION ABOUT THE BLOG. I WANT TO THANK OUR P.I. O. EVEN THOUGH I DON'T KNOW THE MAIN ADMINISTRATION OR I.T. IS DOING, AS FAR AS I KNOW WE'VE RECEIVED THE EMAILS. I KNOW HE SENDS US OUR DAILY NOTICE. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR MAKING SURE WE GET ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE BEING TALKED ABOUT. I ACTUALLY WANTED TO BRING UP ANOTHER ITEM, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. THE ISSUE ON GILBERT GALLEGOS. I KNOW HE'S A P.I.O. FOR APD AND SOME OF THE TWEETS THAT HAVE GONE OUT. I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION AND APD, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR THE CHIEF, I KNOW WE STAND BY THEM. I HOPE YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE POLICY. WE RECEIVED LOTS OF EMAILS AS COUNCILORS AND THERE'S PRETTY TOUGH ONES THAT WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO AND SWALLOW AND DECIDE HOW WE'RE GOING TO REACT TO THEM. AND YOU KNOW OFTENTIMES I DON'T REACT OR DISAGREE. I THINK ESPECIALLY AT APD, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ANYBODY WHO INTERACTS WITH APD, THAT'S THE BIGGEST GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE AS OUR PUBLIC SAFETY ARM OF OUR CITY. I THINK THAT ANY CITIZEN SHOULDN'T FEEL LIKE APD -- AND I KNOW IT'S HARD. I KNOW. WE JUST GOT AN EMAIL FROM SOMEONE WHO WAS TELLING US ALL OFF AND CALLING ME THE R-WORD. IF YOU KNOW, I HAVE A BROUGHT WITH DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES, AND WHEN HE CALLED ME THE R-WORD I'M LIKE THIS GUY IS GOING DOWN. ANYWAY, I DIDN'T. I JUST RESPONDED AND I RESPECTFULLY ASKED HE WOULD REFRAIN FROM USING THAT WORD BECAUSE IT'S IMPOLITE TO OTHER PEOPLE. EVEN HE INTENDS THAT I'M WHATEVER HE THINKS I AM. I HOPE APD AND THE ADMINISTRATION CAN LOOK AT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT. I APPRECIATE SOME KIND OF COMMENT BACK. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, COUNCILORS, LOOK, I THINK YOUR COMMENT AT THE END OF YOUR COMMENT IS REALLY -- SOMETIMES, LOOK OUR CITY EMPLOYEES WORK REALLY HARD. THEY ARE INVOLVED IN TRYING TO DO PUBLIC SERVICE AND OBVIOUSLY REALLY WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME ISSUE THAT COMES UP THAT PERHAPS IS UNFAIR OR MAYBE FOLKS ARE MISINFORMED OR MAYBE THERE'S OTHER ALTEARIER MOTIVES GENERATING THOSE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEING PROFESSIONAL AND MAKE SURE WE DEAL WITH THE ISSUE FOR WHAT IT IS. AND NOT MAKE IT PERSONAL. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT YOU. SIR, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO A FAVOR. YOU NEED TO REMAIN SEATED. YOU CAN SPEAK DURING THE BREAK OR OUTSIDE. NOT DURING THE MEETING. I'M ASKING YOU TO RETURN TO YOUR SEAT. >> THE POINT IS, I'D LET YOU KNOW, COUNCILOR PEÑA, AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THE CHIEF AND I HAVE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE WITH MR. GALLEGOS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE HAVING THAT CONTINUED DIALOGUE. I THINK THAT IN THE WORDS OF MS. OBAMA WHEN THEY GO LOW WE GO HIGH. I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT AS A CITY. MY LAST WORD IS I WANT TO THANK COMMANDER FOR GETTING ME INFORMATION. IT WASN'T NECESSARILY THE INFORMATION THAT I HAD REQUESTED. I'LL EMAIL BACK. I DON'T KNOW IF COMMANDER TORREZ IS IN HERE. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THIS. THE QUESTIONS I HAD ASKED WAS THE TOTAL AMOUNT WE HAVE FOR SHOT SPOTTER, THE JOURNAL HAD AN AMOUNT OF$3 MILLION. I RECEIVED AN EMAIL THAT SAYS 3.2. MY NEXT QUESTION WAS HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO PAY FOR THE SHOT SPOTTER TOTALLY INSTALLED, FOR EACH ONE. AND HOW MANY HAVE BEEN INSTALLED IN DISTRICT THREE TOTAL. AND THE LAST QUESTION WAS OF THAT TOTAL HOW MANY HAVE BEEN INSTALLED AFTER 2021. THE REASON I ASK THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE CONSTITUENTS AND LEGISLATORS FROM OUR SIDE OF TOWN WORKED HARD TO GET A SEPARATE APPROPRIATION FOR DISTRICT THREE FOR SHOT SPOTTER BECAUSE IT'S REALLY HELPED TO -- ONE OF THE SIMPLE THINGS THAT HELPS ALLEVIATE CONCERNS FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANY MONEY WE ADVOCATED AND RECEIVED, HAVE ANY SHOT SPOTTERS BEEN INSTALLED SINCE AFTER 2021. >>COUN. GROUT: HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WORK FOR THE CITY IN PUBLIC RELATIONS, OR SOCIAL MEDIA CAPACITY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I KNOW THIS QUESTION CAME UP ON THE APRIL 3rd MEETING WHEN I WAS NOT HERE. WE REVIEWED THAT. THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 30 AND 35 INDIVIDUALS IN THE CITY THAT HAVE A PORTION OF WHAT YOUR FIRST QUESTION ASKS IN THE TITLE. THERE ARE FOLKS FOR EXAMPLE THAT DO A LOT OF WORK AT THE AIRPORT AS IT RELATES TO DATA MANAGEMENT. CONTRACT MANAGEMENT. THAT ARE SUBSATIVE IN NATURE. NOT ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE THAT TITLE ARE STRICTLY DOING THAT LEVEL OF WORK. I'VE TALKED TO OUR HR DEPARTMENT TO GET THAT NUMBER REFINED. >> THERE ARE FOUR OR FIVE POSITIONS THAT ARE VACANT. OUT OF THE 30, THE MAJORITY, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 15 TO 20 ARE UNCLASSIFIED EMPLOYEES. SIMPLY BECAUSE THE CATEGORY OF WORK, IF YOU WILL, ESPECIALLY THE MARKETING WORK, USUALLY FOLKS MOVE ALL THE TIME AROUND THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND IT'S A LOT EASIER ON THE PERSONNEL SYSTEM IF THEY'RE UNCLASSIFIED. THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE UNCLASSIFIED SIMPLY BECAUSE THEIR JOBS ARE WITHIN THE WORK IN A COUPLE OF DEPARTMENTS. A LOT LIKE YOUR PIO IN THE COUNCIL. THERE ARE SOME POSITIONS FOR EXAMPLE IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. AND A COUPLE OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS. >>COUN. GROUT: WHAT ARE THE BASIC SALARIES FOR THE UNCLASSIFIED EMPLOYEES? >> I LOOKED AT THAT SALARY RANGE. THERE IS -- THERE'S AN OUTLIERS THAT TIPS THE SCALE. THAT POSITION IS REALLY A BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT POSITION. THEY RANGE FROM 35,000 TO 65,000. DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE DEPARTMENT AND THE LEVEL OF WORK AND HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY. >>COUN. GROUT: DOES IT HAVE PARAMETER FOR OFFICIAL DIALOGUE ON SOCIAL MEDIA? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY PARAMETERS PER SE. I MUST ADMIT I DID NOT LOOK AT THAT PIECE OF IT IN LIGHT OF THE CONVERSATION TONIGHT. I WILL DO SO. >>COUN. GROUT: WE NEED TO FIND OUT. I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT IT IS. WILL YOU PUT THIS PICTURE UP ON THE SCREEN? THIS IS A PICTURE THAT A CONSTITUENT SENT TO ME. IT'S FROM TWITTER. AND DOWN AT THE BOTTOM IT HAS APD POLICE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER. AND HIS REPLY TO THE TWEET. WE'RE ALL HERE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE. DO YOU THINK THAT RESPONSE IS GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, AS I REVIEW HIS RESPONSE, I WOULD SAY I'VE GOTTEN THE POINT YOU'VE MADE. AND WE'LL CERTAINLY VISIT WITH THAT. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN OF THE OPINION WE SHOULD BE PROFESSIONAL AND STICK TO THE SUBJECT MATTER AND NOT IF YOU WILL TRY AND GUESS WHAT THE PERSON ON THE OTHER SIDE IS TRYING TO SAY OR WHAT MOTIVATIONS MOVE THEM TO MAKE THAT COMMENT. HOWEVER, I CAN UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES PEOPLE GET AHEAD OF THEMSELVES AND LOOK, THIS INDIVIDUAL IS A VERY DEDICATED PUBLIC EMPLOYEE. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS TO MY ATTENTION. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S UNACCEPTABLE. AND I WOULDN'T PUT UP WITH IT IN MY BUSINESS. AN EMPLOYEE THAT I HAD. SO IT NEEDS TO CHANGE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >>COUN. DAVIS: ON THAT TOPIC, CHIEF MEDINA, COULD YOU HELP US FOLLOW UP ON THE APD PIO POLICY? THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE. WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS BEFORE. MR. RAEL, WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATION. WE GET ALONG FINE. BUT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS A HALF DOZEN TIMES. IT'S NOT THAT WE JUST BROUGHT THIS TO OUR ATTENTION. TO WHOM DOES THE PIO REPORT DIRECTLY? WHO IS THEIR SUPERVISOR? >> THE CHIEF OF POLICE. >>COUN. DAVIS: CHIEF, DOES THE APD HAVE A DIFFERENT SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY THAN THE CITY. IS IN >> YES, WE HAVE A SEPARATE MEDIA POLICY. >>COUN. DAVIS: WHY DOES IT HAVE A SEPARATE ONE THAN THE CITY? >> WE DO HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS WITHIN OUR POLICY. I HAVE TO RESEARCH THE HISTORY AS TO WHY IT OCCURRED THAT WAY. WE A SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY. WE STARTED OUT VERY EARLY. I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 2000. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION THE ADMINISTRATION HAD JUST ISSUED A NEW SOCIAL MEDIA PAUL ACE ACY -- POLICY FOR THE CITY. DID IT INCLUDE APD OR WAS IT SEPARATE FROM APD? IT WAS DIRECTLY IN RESPONSE TO THE ACCOUNT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, WE HAD A POLICY THAT APD HAD AS IT RELATES TO DEALING WITH VERY SENSITIVE INFORMATION THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE OF THE APD AND THE WORLD THEY WORK IN. WE HAVE SINCE DEVELOPED A POLICY THAT FOR THE REST OF THE CITY. AND IT WAS REALLY, IF YOU WILL, FASHIONED AROUND MOST OF WHAT APD HAD AS IT RELATES TO DEALING WITH THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. THE POLICY IS STILL -- OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT INTINATELY FAMILIAR TO GIVE YOU MORE DETAIL. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. CHIEF, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO APD TWITTER ACCOUNT? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, I WOULD SAY THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT THREE THAT COULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE PIO ACCOUNT. THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT THREE THAT HAVE ACCESS TO THE MAIN APD ACCOUNT. AND ABOUT FOUR THAT HAVE ACCESS TO MY ACCOUNT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, CHIEF. THAT'S HELPFUL. CHIEF, MR. RAEL, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO PERSONAL MATTERS. LET ME SAY THIS. THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME. WE'VE HAD PERSONAL KWAGZS, WE'VE HAD PUBLIC CONVERSATIONS. WE'VE HAD NEWS STORIES. IT'S VERY CLEAR THIS ACCOUNT AND THE WAY IT ENGAGES IN THE COMMUNITY IS DISRUPTIVE AND UNHELPFUL TO ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY. IT'S NOT WE'RE JUST BRINGING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION. WE'VE BROUGHT IT TO YOUR ATTENTION, CHANNEL 7, THE JOURNAL, EVERY COUNCILOR HAS BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION BY EMAIL, PHONE CALL. IT IS TIME TO STOP. WILL YOU COMMIT THAT PERSON WILL NO LONGER BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE THAT ACCOUNT UNTIL THEY'RE RETRAINED OR WILL YOU CONTINUE TO ALLOW THIS PERSON TO DO SO IN VIOLATION OF YOUR POLICY THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THEY MUST TREAT PEOPLE WITH RESPECT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, I WILL COMMIT WE'LL HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE INDIVIDUAL AND WITH THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE THAT IT IS ABOUT BEING PROFESSIONAL AND TREATING PEOPLE WITH RESPECT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. I REALIZE THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST WE CAN DO. LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR. I WILL WORK PERSONALLY TO DEFUND THAT POSITION, DEFUND THE ACCOUNT, AND PROHIBIT THE CITY FROM USING TWITTER IN THAT WAY IF WE CONTINUE TO NOT SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. WE'RE NOT GOING TO PICK WITH FIGHT WITH PEOPLE ONLINE ON SOCIAL MEDIA. WE'RE ENCOURAGING AND ELEVATING THOSE PEOPLE BY RESPONDING TO IT. IT'S BENEATH THE DIGNITY OF YOU AND THIS DEPARTMENT AND EVERYTHING YOU'RE WORKING ON. PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO DISAGREE WITH THIS. WE DO NOT MAKE FUN OF A FORMER POLICE CHIEF'S HEALTH. THAT'S ENOUGH. WE'RE DONE WITH THIS. I'M SORRY. THAT'S NOT A KWEG. -- QUESTION. PLEASE FIX THIS. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, WE WILL WORK ON THIS. THERE IS ONE THING. OUR OFFICERS WORK HARD EACH AND EVERY DAY. IN THE PAST WEEKEND I RESPONDED TO SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS WHO CRITICIZED OFFICERS FOR 33 MINUTES TO GET TO THE RESPONSE CALL. THAT IS NOT TRUE. I MAKE SURE ALL OF THE RESPONSES ARE GEARED TOWARD FACTS AND GEARED TOWARD SUPPORTING THE OFFICERS. THIS HAS BECOME A BIG POLITICAL BATTLE. THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT THEIR HARED FOR THE MAYOR WILL DO ANYTHING AGAINST OUR POLICE OFFICERS. LAST WEEK I RELEASED INFORMATION ON SOMETHING THAT WAS GREAT. CRIME STATS GOING OWN. AND THERE ARE PEOPLE FOR POLITICAL REASONS THAT WILL SIT THERE AND SMASH AND THEY WILL TALK ABOUT THE FACT IT'S NOT TRUE AND WE'RE LYING. THIS ISN'T MY WORK BEING QUESTIONED. IT'S THE WORK OF EVERY SINGLE OFFICER IN OR POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROFESSIONAL AND TO THE POINT WHEN WE RESPOND WITH FACTS AND INFORMATION AS WE DID THIS PAST WEEK. THAT WILL BE THE BIG MODIFICATION WITH HOW THAT ACCOUNT RESPONDS. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR THIS. THAT RESPONSE WAS ABOUT CRIME STATS. IT'S THE WAY WE RESPONDED EVERY OTHER WEEK WHEN SOMEBODY SAID WE'LL RESPOND DIFFERENTLY. LET'S HIT A RESET. FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO RUN THAT ACCOUNT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A COUPLE MORE. FOR THE DIRECTOR OF FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES. HI DIRECTOR. HOW DOES IT WORK WHEN AN AGENCY LIKE HEADING HOME THAT IS CITY FUNDED HOUSING VOUCHERS TO ADMINISTER? DO THEY SUBMIT INVOICES TO THE CITY WHEN THEY HOUSE PEOPLE AND PAY THE LANDLORDS FROM THERE? HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, THANK YOU FOR SENDING ME THESE QUESTIONS. YES, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH HEADING HOME TO ADMINISTER HOUSING VOUCHERS. WHEN THEY COMPLY WITH THE DETAILS OF THAT CONTRACT, AND THEY SUBMIT TO THE CITY THE RENT ROLLS WITH THE DETAILS NEEDED SO WE CAN REIMBURSE THEIR VOUCHERS. >>COUN. GROUT: IS HEADING HOME SUBMITTING THE INVOICES? IS THE HOLD UP WITH THE CITY NOT PAYING THE INVOICES? OR HEADING HOME NOT GETTING CASH OUT THE DOOR? AS OF TODAY WHEN >> AS OF TODAY WHEN WE FOLLOWED UP ON THIS. THE AGENCY REPORTED THAT 56,000 WAS NEEDED TO RECONCILE. NOW HEADING HOME BELIEVES THEY ONLY OWE $2,000. THEY'RE IN CONTACT WITH THE LANDLORD TO RECONCILE THAT. I WILL SAY THAT THE ISSUE IS NOT THE CITY PAYING, IT'S RECEIVING ACCURATE INVOICES FROM THE ORGANIZATION THAT WE CAN REIMBURSE. WE'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH THE AGENCY. THEY DO NOT HAVE A CFO AND DO NOT HAVE A CAO. AND THEIR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR INTERIM IN THERE. THEY HAD CHALLENGES OF LATE WHICH WE'RE AWARE OF IN WORKING WITH THEM. THE BIG THING, AND NOW THEY'RE GETTING CAUGHT UP WITH BILLING AND SENDING MORE ACCURATE INVOICES. >>COUN. GROUT: HOW MANY HOUSING VOUCHERS DOES HEADING HOME HAVE? >> LET'S SEE. I'VE GOT THAT. I THINK IT'S ABOUT 700. I CAN'T READ MY OWN WRITING. I APOLOGIZE. SORRY. I CAN READ MY OWN WRITING. 280 VOUCHERS. THEY HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ADMINISTER THOSE IN A TIMELY WAY. AGAIN, THEY JUST GOT TO SUBMIT THOSE RENT ROLLS ON TIME SO WE CAN TURN AROUND IT THE INVOICE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. CAN WE PLEASE GET A COPY OF THE HEADING HOME FINANCIAL STATEMENT? BECAUSE THIS WASN'T ON OUR REPORT. >> YES, COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT. I APOLOGIZE. I MEAN TO SEND THAT EARLIER. I DON'T HAVE 2022. I ASKED THEM TODAY. WE RECEIVED THEIR FINANCIAL STATEMENT FOR 2021 IN APRIL OF 2022. THIS IS THE INTERIM CAO. I ASKED THAT QUESTION TODAY. I'M ANTICIPATING WE'LL HAVE THAT SOON. WE HAVE THE 21 AND I'LL SEND THAT TO YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY, MAYBE WE'LL GET THAT 2022 THIS MONTH OF APRIL. I HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION. DO WE HAVE ANY CITY-FUNDED VOUCHERS FOR HELPING PEOPLE STAY IN THEIR HOMES? >> THE MAJORITY OF OUR HOUSING VOUCHERS ARE PEOPLE WITHOUT HOMES THAT NEED THAT HOUSING. SO THEY'RE UNHOUSED PEOPLE. WITH THE HOUSING VOUCHER MONEY AND OUR BUDGET THIS PAST YEAR WE ALLOCATED ABOUT $750,000 TO USE FOR AFFORDABLE UNITS IN MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTIES. THE MAJORITY OF HOUSING VOUCHER MONEY IS FOR PEOPLE UNHOUSED. >>COUN. GROUT: THERE ANY WAY WE CAN FIND SOME MONEY FOR THESE -- WE HAVE A LOT OF SENIORS THAT ARE CALLING US AND THEY'RE JUST A LITTLE BIT SHORT BECAUSE THEY'RE ON FIXED INCOME. AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR CREATIVE WAYS TO HELP THEM. WE'RE WONDERING IF WE CAN GET THEM VOUCHERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. PART IS LOOKING FOR AFFORDABLE UNIT. A SENIOR WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT. AND WE CAN TALK TO THE OFFICE OF SEEN I IER -- SENIOR AFFAIRS. >>COUN. GROUT: I HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION. IT'S FOR DIRECTOR SANCHEZ WITH ARTS AND CULTURE. IT'S A QUICK ONE. I'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE REACH OUT TO ME. APPARENTLY, THERE'S A FOUNTAIN AT THE B OIRBGS BIO PARK THAT IS GOING TO BE DEPAULISHED. THAT SADDENS ME. A LOCAL ARTIST MADE IT MANY YEARS AGO. I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO BE SAVED? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, ACTUALLY THERE HAS NOT BEEN A DETERMINATION ABOUT THE OUTCOME OF THE FOUNTAIN. IT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE PUBLIC ART COLLECTION. IT'S NOT THE DECISION OF THE BIO PARK. IT'S A DECISION OF THE ARTS BOARD IN TERMS OF WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO IT NEXT. THE ARTIST IS FROM NORTHERN NEW MEXICO. AND IT WAS BUILT 25 YEARS AGO. AND IF YOU HAVE VISITED IT LATELY, IT DOES HAVE SOME VERY SERIOUS ISSUES IN TERMS OF THE LMINATION OF THE TITLES, DISINTEGRATION OF THE TILES AND REAL PROBLEMS WITH THE STRUCTURE. AND PROBABLY AS IMPORTANTLY THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS OF MAJOR CONCERN. THE REASON IT'S EMPTY RIGHT NOW IS THE WATER HAS BEEN LEAKING AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE WATER IS GOING. IT'S NOT THAT WE CAN SEE THE LEAK BUT WE FILL IT UP AND WE LOSE WATER WAY TOO QUICKLY. THAT IS ALSO A CONCERN IN TERMS OF WHAT IS HAPPENING UNDERNEATH THE FOUNTAIN. THE ARTS BOARD HAS TAKEN IT UP. THEY ASKED FOR A FULL REPORT. THEY'VE ASKED FOR RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO RESTORE IT. ALL OF THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE PRESENTED TO THE ARTS BOARD. THEY WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ADMINISTRATION ASK THE ADMINISTRATION WILL ACT ON THE RECOMMENDATION. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. >> IT WILL BE A QUESTION OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE CAN OR HAVE OR ARE WILLING TO INVEST IN RESTORATION OF THE FOUNTAIN. >>COUN. GROUT: VERY GOOD. I'M GLAD THERE IS A RESEARCH FIRST. IT'S NOTS JUST GETTING DEMOLISHED. AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIND THE LEAK AND GET IT FIXED UP. THERE ARE LOT OF FAMILIES THAT LOOK FORWARD TO GOING TO SEE THAT. TAKE PICTURES THERE. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. THANK YOU. DIRECTOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. MS. SANCHEZ, SEVERAL MEETINGS AGO I ASKED FOR INFORMATION REFERENCING THE ONE ALBUQUERQUE FUNDS AND YOU WERE GOING TO GET THAT INFORMATION FOR ME. I'M STILL WAITING FOR IT. WHEN WILL I SEE THE INFORMATION? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I BELIEVE THE QUESTION ABOUT THE ONE ALBUQUERQUE FUND, THE WAY WE LEFT IS I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE ONE ALBUQUERQUE FUND. THE INFORMATION THAT I HAVE SPECIFICALLY ONLY RELATES TO THE BOOK. I FEEL LIKE I SHARED THAT AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ONE ALBUQUERQUE FUND, I FEEL LIKE THAT GOES TO THE ONE ALBUQUERQUE FUND OR THROUGH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO REQUEST THE INFORMATION. I ONLY KNOW SPECIFICALLY ABOUT ANY PROCEEDS RELATE TODAY THE BOOK. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: CAN YOU GET ME THAT INFORMATION, PLEASE? >> THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE BOOK? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE BEHIND THE NUMBER OF BOOKS SOLD AND PROCEEDS PER BOOK? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: AND WHERE THAT MONEY IS DIRECT TO. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THERE HAVE BEEN 97 BOOKS SOLD AT THIS POINT. $2.35 OF EACH OF THE BOOKS HAS GONE TO THE ONE ALBUQUERQUE FUND. IT IS SPESIFIED IN THE MOU THAT THE MONEY GOES TO THE ONE ALBUQUERQUE FUND TOWARD THE PRIORITIES THAT ARE SET OUT BY THE ONE ALBUQUERQUE FUND AND THOSE INCLUDE HOUSING, RECRUITMENT AND OTHER PRIORITIES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MARCH 30th JOURNAL. ANY QUESTIONS? CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. I'LL MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING EC270 ON THE GEND. IT'S APPROVAL OF THE FIRST SUPPLEMENTAL FOR FUNDS OUTSIDE SERVICES. I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR THE SUSPENSION. SEVERAL SECONDS. I WANT TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY, DO YOU KNOW WHY THIS IS A LATE INTRODUCTION? THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THE INITIAL INTRODUCTION AND THIS REPLACES IT? IS THAT RIGHT? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, THAT'S CORRECT. THERE WAS AN ERROR IN OF THE NUMBERS WHICH MADE THE COMMUNICATION INCORRECT. WE CORRECTED THAT AND RESUBMITTED. >>COUN. DAVIS: IT'S JUST A TECHNICAL CHANGE NOT CHANING SUBSTANCE? >> CORRECT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF RULES SUSPENSION TO PLACE IT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, ROLL CALL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILORS. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING EC272. LEASE AGREEMENT FOR THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE OF MENTAL ILLNESS. SEEING NO DISCUSSION. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO WITHDRAW THIS BILL. I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD JUST -- WE CAN WITHDRAW IT ANOTHER TIME OR MOVE THAT IT BE PLACED ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA AND WITHDRAW IT? WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS? >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK IT'S -- I'LL LEAVE IT TO MR. MELENDREZ. >> BECAUSE IT IS ON THE AGENDA AND ON THE LETTER, CROSS ALL THE T'S SUSPEND THE RULES AND THEN WITHDRAWN THROUGH A LATER VOTE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR THE THE PURPOSE OF PLACING R-119. IT'S CALLING FOR THE ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY INPUT AND GOOD NEIGHBOR COMMITMENT BY THE CITY FOR THE PROPOSED WEST SIDE HOUSING CENTER DROP OFF LOCATED IN THE SOUTHWEST AREA OF ALBUQUERQUE. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEVERAL SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R-120 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR ACTION. IT'S APPROVING THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT ANALYSIS OF THE PROPOSAL FOR PERMANENT ZERO FARES FOR ART AND SUN VAN SERVICE. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR INTRODUING R-124 AND PLACING ON THE APRIL 17, 20E 23 AGENDA. IT'S APPROVING TWO AWARDS FROM BERNALILLO COUNTY BEGINNING IN FISCAL YEAR 2023. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEVERAL SECONDS. CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FO INTRODUCING R-25 AND PLACING ON THE APRIL 17, 2023 AGENDA. IT'S AUTHORIING A GRANT APPLICATION REVIEW DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT FOR THE 2023 CONTINUUM OF CARE GRANT. AND PROVIING APPROPRIATION FOR TO THE DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023 AND FISCAL YEAR 2024. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE A SECOND. IF I MAY, I WANT TO ASK DIRECTOR PIERCE, ABOUT WHY THIS IS A LATE INTRODUCTION AND WHY WE CAN'T DO REGULAR ORDER ON THIS ONE? APPLICATIONS USUALLY GIVE US TIME. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, BECAUSE WE MADE A MISTAKE. WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS EARLIER. I MET WITH THE STAFF TODAY. ACTUALLY, WITH THIS HUD GRANT, THIS CONTINUUM OF CARE GRANT, YOU CAN ANTICIPATE BECAUSE IT'S ON THE CALENDAR, YOU WILL SEE THIS FALL. AND APPROPRIATE THAT AND IT GOES TO THE VARIETY OF AGENCY. WE GET NOTIFIED IN THE FALL AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON IT SOONER. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. NO OTHER QUESTIONS? ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. THAT ENDS OUR LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. JUST BY WAY OF ORDER. WE'RE COMING UP ON 7 O'CLOCK WHICH IS WHEN COUNCILORS GET GRUMPY. I THINK HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE'RE GOING TO ROCK THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA. I THINK THERE'S SOME DIRECTORS THAT ARE HERE FOR THAT PURPOSE. ALTHOUGH SOME OF YOU MAY BE FOR THE BUDGET BILL. WE WILL BE HERE TOGETHER UNTIL MIDNIGHT. FOR THOSE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'LL TAKE THAT UP WHEN WE RETURN FOR BREAK. WE'LL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER. IT'S OUR PRACTICE TO TAKE THE BIG BUDGET BILL LAST. FOR FOLKS THAT WANT TO SPEND DOWNTOWN AND SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESS YOU HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. COUNCILORS, WE HAVE REPORTS OF COMMITTEES, THERE ARE NONE. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO DEFERRALS. COUNCILORS, DO WE HAVE ANY OF THOSE? COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. R-19 CALLING FOR AN ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY INPUT AND GOOD NEIGHBOR BY THE CITY FOR THE WEST SIDE EMERGENCY DROP OFF LOCATED -N IN THE SOUTHWEST AREA. I MOVE WITHDRAWAL. >>COUN. DAVIS: PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANY WITHDRAWS? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I MOVE EC265 FROM CONSENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER CHANGES? SEEING NONE. I THANK EVERYONE WHO VOLUNTEERED TO BE ON THE BOARD. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE FOR US OR REMIND MING TO TAKE A VOTE? >> I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT EC IS NOT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. IT'S UNDER APPROVALS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I THOUGHT IT WAS UNDER CONSENT. I WITHDRAW THAT OUT OF MOTION MOTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: IT NEVER HAPPENED. GREAT. >>COUN. GROUT: I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. NOW IT'S YOUR TURN. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILORS. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ANNOUNCEMENT. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THERE WILL BE A FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING ON MONDAY APRIL 10, AT 5 P.M. VIA ZOOM. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THERE WILL BE A LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING ON WEDNESDAY APRIL 12 AT 5 P.M. ON THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE ROOM ON THE NINTH FLOOR. THIS IS A HYBRID MEETING. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE NO FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS. BEING IT'S CLOSE TO SEVEN. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD GRAK. -- BREAK. FOR THOSE WAITING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT STICK AROUND FOR US. WE'LL SEE YOU IN ABOUT 30 MINUTES. [ INAUDIBLE ] [ INAUDIBLE ] . >>COUN. DAVIS: FOLKS, WE'RE GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCILOR JONES AND COUNCILOR BENTON ARE AVAILABLE AND CAN HEAR US. IF YOU WILL LET US KNOW. I KNOW OUR STAFF CHECKED A COUPLE MINUTES AGO. >>COUN. JONES: HERE I AM. >>COUN. DAVIS: WELCOME BACK. THANKS. >>COUN. JONES: THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON WAS HERE AS WELL. RIGHT? GREAT. COUNCILORS, AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, SHE HAS SPECIAL GUESS FOR THE ITEM THAT STAFF PULLED OFF CONSENT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT. EC265 AND THEN WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I PULLED THE ALBUQUERQUE ENERGY COUNCIL ANNUAL REPORT FROM THE CONSENT. I JUST WANTED DO HAVE THEM GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE REPORT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE KNOW THE WORK WE'RE DOING THERE. WE'RE SAVING A LOT OF MONEY AND WORK WITH THE 3% SET ASIDE. SHE'S ON ZOOM. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HEAR. >> YEAH, I HAVE BEEN ON THE ALBUQUERQUE ENERGY COUNCIL SINCE 2021. NOW I'M THE CHAIR OF THE COUNCIL. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR, THE ALBUQUERQUE ENERGY COUNCIL SERVES AS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS FOR THE CITY. WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR WORKING WITH CITY STAFF FOR ENERGY CONSERATION PROGRAMS. RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL AND CITY GOVERNMENT. THERE'S A LOT OF SCHOOL -- COOL STUFF HAPPENING. I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF. PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY IS TO SEE OVERSIGHT OF THE CAPITAL IN PROVE -- IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM MONEY. THE ANNUAL REPORT SHOWS A VAST NUMBER OF THOSE. WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF VERY COOL THINGS. I'LL HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE KEY ELEMENTS THAT REALLY SHOWCASE THE COUNCIL'S -- WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE WITHIN THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS. AT THE TIME THIS REPORT WAS WRITTEN, THERE WERE 123 PROJECTS. THESE TOTAL ACHIEVE MORE THAN $25 MILLION OF ANNUAL SAVINGS. THAT'S A PRETTY BIG NUMBER. IT'S LLS -- ALMOST HARD TO BELIEVE THE SHEER AMOUNT OF SAVING POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THIS. PROJECTS HAD AN RECEIVE OBJECT RETURN OF INVESTMENT OF 5.2 YEARS. WITH ENERGY SAVINGS WE SAW HUGE AMOUNTS OF DECREASES OF CARBON EMISSIONS REMOVING MORE THAN 30,000 CARS FROM THE ROAD. ALSO, MORE THAN 3 MILLION TREES PLANTED. IT'S A LOT OF REALLY COOL METRICS THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN DOING. THE REPORT REALLY SHOWS ALL OF THE DIFFERENT DETAILS OF THEM. FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S A SOUTH BROADWAY CULTURAL CENTER AND LIBRARY. THAT WAS ENERGY EFFICIENCY INITIATIVE. THE PROJECT COST LOOKED FOR $133,000. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE ACTUAL -- IT ENDED UP AVOIDING 21,000 EACH YEAR. IT HAS VERY QUICK PAYBACK PERIODS AND IF NOT ALL OF THESE. I THINK WE'RE REALLY SEEING THE BENEFITS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S ALSO THE SENIOR CENTER WHICH IS VERY COOL. 402 LIGHTING FIXTURES REPLACED. I THINK A LOT OF POSITIVES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND HOW THESE PROJECTS ARE BEING RECEIVED FOR ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ONES. THE ONES MENTIONED ABOVE RECENTLY WERE ENERGY EFFICIENCY. WE ALSO HAVE RENEWABLE ENERGY PROJECTS. THE LIST IS VAST. I WON'T GO INTO ALL OF THEM. WE HAVE LIBRARIES. CENTRAL UNSER DOWNTOWN VISITOR AND BUSINESS FACILITIES INCLUING SUN PORT AND CONVENTION CENTER AND I'M SURE ALL OF YOU KNOW. COMMUNITY AND SENIOR CENTERS. ALL OVER THE CITY. THE ONE I MENTIONED ABOVE WAS THE LOCAL SENIOR CENTER. WE HAVE NORTH DOMINGO, ALAMOSA. LOT OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS. I THINK IT'S REALLY NEAT JUST HOW DIVERSE THE PROJECTS ARE. AND THAT YOU CAN REALLY SEE WHERE AND HOW DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITIES ARE BENEFITTING. THERE'S ALSO THE BRAIN WHICH STANDS FOR BALANCE RESOURCE ACQUISITION AND INFORMATION NETWORK. IT'S A DATA CENTER AND COMPUTER PLATFORM. AND IT'S REALLY NEAT. YOU CAN SEE REAL TIME WHAT IS GOING ON WITHIN THE ENTIRE CITY. AND FOR ENERGY NERDS LIKE MYSELF, I WAS FASCINATED WITH IT. JUST THE LEVEL OF DETAIL AND HOW WE CAN USE THAT TO REALLY REDUCE COSTS. SEE WHERE THINGS ARE NOT RUNNING AND IMPROVE THEM. ALSO JUST INCREASES THE LIVELYHEADS OF ANYONE USING THE BUILDINGS ESPECIALLY AS WE KNOW THE ENERGY IS ESSENTIAL FOR US. ONE OF THE MAIN ELEMENTS OF THE REPORT AS WELL IS TALKING ABOUT THE YEAR OUT ENERGY PROJECT. AS PARTNERING WITH THE YEAR OUT ENERGY TO PERFORM AN ENERGY FOCUS INVESTMENT GRADE OUGHTT OF 50 FACILITIES. THE PURPOSE OF IT IS TO IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO REDUCE ENERGY AND WATER CONSUMPTION AND DEVELOP A SCOPE OF WORK TO BE IMPLEMENTED TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT REALLY IS A NEED PROJECT AND IN THE WORKS FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW. BACK IN MR. RAEL 2021 WITH THE INVESTMENT GRADE AUDIT. LOOKING AT 55 MENTIONED TO IMPROVE -- H-VAC. LIGHTING WATER CONTROLS RENEWABLE ENERGY AND OTHER BUILDING SYSTEMS. AND THE CITY ESTABLISHED A TARGET OF $280,000. JUST IN THE FIRST YEAR OPERATIONAL COST SAVINGS. AGAIN, A BIG AMOUNT OF SAVINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING. THE PROJECT ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY OUTPERFORMS THE PROPOSED PROJECT -- I'M SORRY IT OUTPERFORMS THIS WITH POTENTIAL FOR SAVINGS OF OVER $800,000 PER YEAR. AGAIN, AS THE CITY CLIMATE ACTION PLAN PROJECT IS IN LINE WITH THAT. SEEKING TO SUPPORT FOUR OF THE SEVEN THEMES IN IT. TO REDUCE THE CITY'S ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT BY OVER -- I'M SORRY I'M TRYING TO READ THIS THROUGH ALLERGY-RIDDEN EYES. I ALSO -- JUST SO YOU ARE AWARE, THE COMPANY WAS CHOSEN BASED OFF OF INTENSE SELECTION PROCESS. THAT'S ALL OF THE DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS AND ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT. ACTUALLY EVEN EXCEEDED WHAT THE GOALS WERE. WE ARE HOPING THAT GETS DONE. WE REALLY WANT TO SEE THIS PROJECT TOUCHES ON SO MUCH. I THINK IT'S PRETTY EVIDENT IT WILL HAVE THE BENEFITS WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND LASTLY, FOR THE ANNUAL REPORT, IT IS OUR JOB AS THE ALBUQUERQUE ENERGY COUNSEL TO IDENTIFY WHAT IS WORKING, WHAT'S NOT WORKING AND OF COURSE OFFER RECOMMENDATIONS AND I WILL SAY BEING WITHIN THE COUNCIL FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAS BEEN REALLY IMPRESSIVE SEEING ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON. THE CITY JUST MOVING SO QUICKLY AND SUPPORTING A LOT OF COOL INITIATIVES. WATCHING ALL OF THE SENIOR CENTERS AND LIBRARIES. IT'S AN HONOR TO BE INVOLVED IN ALL OF THE PROJECTS. AS A COUNCIL, AND REALIING ALL THE POSITIVES, I WANTED TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO FURTHER THIS. AND THAT RESULTED IN US HOPING TO AND RECOMMENDING TO INCREASE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FUNDING FROM 3% TO 5% FOR ENERGY CONSERATION AND RENEWABLE ENERGY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. THE CURRENT 3% WAS SET IN 2006. ABOUT 16 YEARS AGO. INCREASING IT, I THINK IT JUST IN TERMS OF INFLATION AND ALL THAT, KIND OF IS IN TUNE. ALSO, JUST BECAUSE IT IS ALLOWING FOR THE ABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THE CITY'S RESOLUTION TO HAVE 25% OF THE ENERGY COME FROM SOLAR RESOURCES BY 2025. AND MAYOR KELLER'S COMMITMENT TO USING 100% RENEWABLE ENERGY FOR ALL MUNICIPAL OPERATIONS BY 2025 WHICH IS COMING UP VERY QUICKLY. AND LASTLY WITHIN THAT THE IS TO EXPAND THE ELIGIBILITY OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS TO ALSO INCLUDE WATER CONSERVATION. THERE WAS A LOT OF WATER EFFORT DONE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. I'M ENCOURAGING YOU ALL TO READ THROUGH THE COUNCIL ANNUAL REPORT BECAUSE IT IS -- IT HAS MORE DETAIL THAN I'M ABLE TO OFFER IN A SHORT PRESENTATION. YEAH, YOU KNOW I THINK IT'S PLAINLY JUST MAKING SURE THE CITY AND STAFF HAVE THE RESOURCES TO KEEP WORKING ON THE PROJECTS AND THAT BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING HUGE AMOUNTS OF SAVINGS AND HUGE AMOUNTS OF BENEFITS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I JUST WANT TO SAY THE I THINK THE ANNUAL REPORT IS REALLY WELL DONE. IT'S GOT LOT OF INFORMATION IN IT. I DID HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE REPORT YOU MENTIONED IS THE NEED FOR WATER CONSERATION AND POTENTIALLY INCREASING THE SET ASIDE. WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THE CIP BUDGET LATER TONIGHT. IT IS A 3% SET ASIDE. THAT'S A LUTE OF GOOD WORK BEING DONE FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. COULD YOU TALK THROUGH WHAT COULD BE ADDITIONAL IF WE DID WATER CONSERATION AND WHAT OTHER PROJECTS COULD BE ADDED IF WE'RE ABLE TO IN THE FUTURE PROVIDE MORE FUNDING? >> YEAH, THERE'S MORE ON WATER CONSERATION THAT'S OUT OF MY ELEMENT TO OFFER SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS SINCE WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THOSE. BASICALLY AS AN EFFERERT -- EFFORT TO REDUCE WATER COSTS. I'M HAPPY TO CIRCLE BACK WITH THE COUNCIL AND STAFF AND GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCRETE DETAILS OF EXACTLY WHAT THE COUNCIL WAS ENVISIONING WITH THE WATER CONSERVATION. I THINK FOR ALL OF THE PROJECTS, THERE'S JUST SO MARCH -- MUCH TO DO ACROSS THE CITY. A LOT OF IT IS UPGRADES THAT ARE NEEDED. AND GIVING THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. SO, THE MONEY WITH THE AMOUNT -- WE'RE REALLY HAVING TO SEE AND PRIORITIZE HOW WE WANT TO DO THE PROJECTS OF COURSE. AND JUST SO EVERYONE'S AWARE FOR EACH PROJECT THE COUNCIL REVIEWS IT AND RATE IT AND DETERMINES IF WE'RE ABLE TO PROCEED ON IT. THERE'S A RANKING SYSTEM. WE ARE SEEING A LOT MORE NEED. I THINK THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON THAT NOT HAVING TO LIMIT WHAT IS DONE I THINK WILL BE REALLY HELPFUL. AND YOU KNOW MAKING SURE THAT MORE PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY ARE ABLE TO BENEFIT. ESPECIALLY NOT ONLY FROM THE SAVINGS BUM -- FROM THE UPGRADES OF BETTER LIGHTING AND EVEN LIT PARKING. ALL THOSE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE BY WAY OF THIS FUNDING. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. I SEE THAT COUNCILOR BENTON HAS ONE QUESTION. I'M GOING TO ASK ONE MORE AND I'LL LET COUNCILOR BENTON TAKE OVER. I'M WONDERING IF IT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR YOU OR THE ADMINISTRATION, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF GETTING THAT YEAR OUT ENERGY SERVICE PROJECT MOVING? I'VE BEEN AWARE OF IT FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND I HAVEN'T STEEN COME THROUGH COUNCIL. CAN SOMEBODY GIVE ME AN UPDATE ON THAT? >> I THINK WE HAVE CERTIFICATION IN HAND. IT WAS CERTIFIED BY NEW MEXICO ENERGY MINERALS AND NATURAL RESOURCES IN 2022. IT IS CORRECT WE'VE BEEN WAITING AND THIS HAS BEEN PENDING FOR SIX MONTHS OR SO. I BELIEVE WE JUST NEED CERTIFICATION AND AMRUFBL OF FUNDING SO THIS PROJECT CAN MOVE FORWARD. I DID CIRCLE BACK WITH THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND THERE IS FURTHER INTEREST IN THE YEAR OUT ENERGY PROJECT. I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL OR CIRCLE BACK ON THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE SOME -- I KNOW THE ANNUAL REPORT SDRUZ A COUPLE PARAGRAPHS ON IT. I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE MORE. I BELIEVE WE NEED APPROVAL AND OF COURSE MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE CAPITAL TO BE ABLE TO MOVE IT FORWARD. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, IT IS ABOUT THE CAPITAL. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT. ARE WE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT? STARTING THE WORK? >> MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CONTRACT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE ENERGY COUNCIL'S PAST AND PRESENT CHAIR. I WANT TO APPRECIATE THIS PRESENTATION. ALSO ENCOURAGE THE COUNCILORS, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT ALREADY, CHECK OUT -- I'M SURE YOU RECEIVED AN INVITATION TO SEE THE BRAIN AND HOW IT WORKS WITH A SHORT PRESENTATION ON THAT. IT'S REALLY AMAZING. HAVING SPONSORED THE 3%, I THINK WE BUMPED IT UP BACK IN 2006 FROM 1% TO 3%, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. THANKS FOR COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN FOR HER ADVOCACY BACK IN THOSE DAYS AS WELL. IT TAKES AN INVESTMENT TO ACHIEVE THESE SAVINGS IN SIT A GOVERNMENT. SHORTLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OPERATING AND WHAT IT TAKES. THEY'RE VERY MUCH LINKED. HAVING THIS PANEL OF DEDICATED EXPERTS ON THE AC TO ADVICE US VALUABLE. I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THEIR APPRECIATION OF THEIR WORK. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CHECK OUT THEY'RE DOING WITH THIS BRAIN. THIS ABILITY TO MONITOR ALL OF OUR FACILITIES EVENTUALLY AND REALLY DOWN TO MINUTE DETAIL TO DISCOVER WHERE WE HAVE INEFFICIENCIES THAT CAN TURN INTO MORE DOLLAR SAVINGS FOR THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE AND THEIR OPERATING MONEY JUST DOESN'T GO DOWN UNNECESSARILY A WASTED ENERGY WORM HOLE. THANKS. >>COUN. DAVIS: OTHER COUNCILORS BEFORE WE GO BACK TO THE SPONSOR? SEEING NONE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO THANK HER FOR COMING AND GIVING US THAT OVERVIEW AND ALL THE WORK THEY DO. I SERVED ON THE ENERGY COUNCIL BEFORE IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT ASPECT OF CITY GOVERNMENT AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. WITH THAT, I MOVE THAT EC265 ALBUQUERQUE ENERGY COUNCIL FY2021 AND 22 ANNUAL REPORT RECEIPT BE NOTED. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. COUNCILOR BENTON, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING FURTHER? >>COUN. BENTON: NO, JUST SECONDING. >>COUN. DAVIS: GREAT. I'M SORRY. THANKS. WE'LL TAKE THAT ONE AS WELL. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. I KNOW I'M GETTING SEVERAL MESSAGES, I'M AWARE THERE'S A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BASKETBALL GAME. I CAN'T DO XG ABOUT THAT UNLESS THESE COUNCILORS DECIDE NOT TO ASK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. COUNCILOR PEÑA, YOU HAVE A BILL THAT WE'RE GOING TO DEFER. DO YOU WANT TO HANDLE THAT QUICKLY SO PEOPLE CAN GO WATCH BASKETBALL? >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. YES. I SENT AN EMAIL TO THE DIRECTOR. I DON'T THINK HE RECEIVED IT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE HE CAN GO HOME IF THIS WAS THE ONLY THING HE WAS HERE FOR. WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO -- >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK IT'S R-103. ITEM H. LAST ON THE AGENDA. >>COUN. PEÑA: DIRECTING THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE PROVIDE A BILINGUAL PAY DIFFERENTIAL ELIGIBLE TO CITY EMPLOYEES. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND SECOND. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE A FLOOR SUB. IT'S IN THE iPAD. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILORS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT. WE'LL MAKE THAT A MOTION FOR THE FLOOR SUB. IS THERE A SECOND? ANY DISCUSSION. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE FLOOR SUBPASSES. I DON'T SEE ANYONE SIGNED UP. IS THAT CORRECT? I'M TRYING TO DO BETTER NOT TO SKIP FOLKS. ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION BEFORE WE GO TO BACK TO THE SPONSOR. >> JUST ANOTHER POINT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMMUNICATION EARLIER. WE DON'T GET COPIES OF THE STUFF IN THE iPADS AS IT RELATES. I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THE ACTUAL BILL YOU JUST PASSED. JUST MAYBE A POINT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT IN THE PAST WE GET A COPY OF THOSE BEFORE THE MEETING. JUST FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I KNOW WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH. I SEE STAFF NODDING HEADS. WE'LL BE SURE TO CONNECT ON THAT IN THE FUTURE AND WE CAN GET YOU ACCESS. BACK TO THE SPONSOR. IN THIS CASE IT'S GOING TO BE DEFERRED. IF THAT'S OKAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO LET THE SPONSOR DO WHAT SHE DOES. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WORKED WITH THE ADMINISTRATION TO COME UP WITH THE FLOOR SUB. WITH THAT, I MOVE A DEFERRAL. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THERE A DATE? >>COUN. PEÑA: NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. >>COUN. DAVIS: 17th, I HEARD WHISPERS. MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON AN 8-0 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILORS, HONORED GUESTS, WE'RE BACK ON GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. WE ARE -- MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE AVAILABLE PROVIDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE COUNCIL IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY. IF YOU SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PER THE INSTRUCTIONS PUBLISHED ON THE AGENDA AND WEBSITE EACH FRIDAY. THERE ARE PUBLIC COMMENT GROUND RULES. LET ME GO OVER THEM TO BE SURE WE TAKE CARE OF THAT. HAVE UP TO TWO MINUTES TO PRESENT. YOUR COMMENTS MUST BE ADDRESSED ONLY THROUGH THE PRESIDENT AND ANY DISRUPTIVE COMMENT WILL RESULT IN REMOVAL. THERE'S A TWO-MINUTE TIME LIMIT. A BELL WILL RING. ON ZOOM YOU WILL SEE A TIMER ON ZOOM. WE'RE GOING TO TURN THIS OVER WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER, REMINDING OF COURSE THAT IF YOU ARE ON DECK, IF YOU'RE NEXT UP, SIT IN THE FRONT ROW SO WE CAN KEEP YOU GOING. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS BRIAN FOLLOWED BY DIEGO. >> I'VE NOTICED THERE SEEMS TO BE ISSUES WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WITH COMMUNICATION WITH THE COUNCIL AND PUBLIC. WHEN I REACHED OUT TO THE MAYORERS OFFICE, EVEN THOUGH I VOTED FOR HIM TWICE THEY SEE ANY CRITICISM AS PARTISAN OR POLITICAL OR ILLEGITIMATE. IN THE REAL WORLD CRITICISM IS A FACT OF LIFE. IF YOU'RE ABLE TO LISTEN IT'S HOW YOU LEARN AND EVOLVE. I RECEIVED A REPLY FROM THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. THE EMAIL STATED WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT THE STATUS QUO AND WE ALL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO STEP UP AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY. THE LETTER CONTAINED A LINK TO REJ SISTER FOR THE CRIME INITIATIVE. WHAT THE CITY NEEDS IS NOT MORE COMMISSIONS OR STUDIES BUT LEADERSHIP. WHILE DOING SPRING CLEANING I FOUND THE MAYOR'S CAMPAIGN PLAN. HE SAID REFUSE THE STATUS QUO AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. WE HAVE TO REFORM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. RESTORE TRUST BY REFORMING APD FROM TOP TO BOTTOM. INSTITUTE REAL COMMUNITY POLICING. FINISH DOJ EFFORTS. HIRE 400 QUALIFIED RECRUIT AND CHANGE THE CULTURE. WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE MEAN TWEETS WHICH I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING UP. TWEETING COMMENTS ABOUT THE DEATH OF A YOUNG 15-YEAR-OLD BOY ISN'T MEANT'S VILE. CALLING OUT BS ISN'T MEAN IT'S BENEATH THE DNITY OF THE CITY. CRACKING JOKES ABOUT ALZHEIMER'S IS SICK. I SUGGEST TO THE CHIEF AND MAYOR, THAT THEY VIT THE NEW MEXICO HOLOCAUST MUSEUM. THEY HAVE AN EXHIBIT ON PROPAGANDA AND MISINFORMATION. AND CRIICISMS NOT ISINFORMATION. THANK YOU. >> DIEGO FOLLOWED B CARL. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. I'M AN R B& HOST. I'M SAKING TONT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOUHAT AY B&B IS A GOOD OPTION FOR PEOLE THAT LIVE IN THETATE OF NEW MEXICO. I RECEIVED A CALL LATE SATURDAY EVENIN FROMHE CONDOMINIUM AND TAOS SKI VALLEY. WAS TALLY LL. AND THE TAOS SKIVALLEY LOST WATE THE MAIN WERAIN BROK IT ALO, LER THAT EVENING, TH GAS LIN GOT BROKE. THEY DIDN'T HAVE HEAT OR WAR. AND MR. MARTINEZ GOA HOLD O ME AND WE WEREBLE TOC FAMILIES WIT CHILDREN CLOSE TO THE AIRPT SO THE COULD RETURN TO CALIFORNIA EARLY. EIRACATION WAS GOING END. WANTED TO TRY TOET PPLE INTO SANTA E. UT HE WASN'T HAVING ANY LUCK FINDING ANY PLA FOR THE TO ST. D THE PEOP THAT HE PLACED WITH ME, THEY REALLY NEEDED A PLACE BIGGER THAN TWO BEDROOMS. ANDHEY NDED KITCHNECAUSE THEY HA CHIRE AND ERYTNG. OSE OIONS WON'T EXIS IF THIS PASSES BECAUSE FIRST OF L I WOULD HEO RT FOR AONG TIME. AND L AT NIG ON AATURDAY GHT,O DON'TAVEVERY MANY TIONS. AND A LOT OFUR GSTS AREEW MEXICANS THAT A HAVING PRLEMS WIT TEIRHOMES. AND THANKU. >>COUN. DAVI THANK YOU. >> CARL FLOD BYTACY. TNK YOU F ALLOWIN MEO EAK AIN. I'M HERE TO DISCUSS SHORT-TM NTALS IN ALBUQUERQU AND I LIKE TO STA BY DISCUSSING TELS. CUENTLY TRES THREE HOTS FOR SAL. THESE HOTELS RANGEN CO BETWEEILLION AND $9 MILLION. THESE PROPTIES DEAL WITH WE PAINT AND OTHER EIRONNTAL FACTS IS GOING TO TKEN INVESTOR OVER$2 MILLION TO STAND UPHAT HOTE. THE REGNALKS THAT ADITNALLY LEND MON RIGHT NOW ARERYING TO STAY SOLVENT. EY'R NOT PROVIING LOA RIT NOW. FORE THE BA INSOLVES BANKS WEREN'T LENG TO HOSPITALUE TO THERISK. HEN YOU LOOK ATHAT, THERE'S 00 HOSS PROVIING PLACE FO OP TO RENTINALBUQUERQUE. ONLY A HANFUL OF THOSE HOSTS, MAYBENER TW HS$2 MON TO GOINVEST. THIS DOEHAPPE THE 500 HOSTHAT O OPERES IN ALQUERQUE, THEY THE %. IDE RETIES, VETENS, SINGLE MS, THEY'REFALIE 'RE INNOVATIVE CIZENS AND WE'RE EMBRING TECHLOY. WE IESTED OR LIFEAVINGS INTO THEE VACATIO RENTALS. ANDE'RE TRYIN TOROVIDE HOING. WE'RE PROVIING HOUSINKERS AND PROVIIN HOUSING FOR TOURTS LAS -R LARS LAST YR WE GENAT $215 MILLION I. I'M AING YOU TO RESIST WT THE ADMISATIO IS DOING A ASKI YOU TO SUPPOR THISBIL N'T NEGOTIATE ONIT. WE NEED YOU TO STA BINDUR INVASION. WE ND YO TO EMACE US AND REALL NEE TO CONNUE WHAT WE'REOING WITH BNGG ALQUQUE BE MPETITIVE TY AND SUPPORT TOUSM AND HOING. THANYOU. >> STACY FOLLOWED BY SHANE. >> HELLO I APPRECIATHAT YOU DOHERE TONIGHT WIT THE SAFETY OF O CI. CULTUR ART ENERY, ALL OF THOS THINGS. IT'S FUN. I HERE TPEAKN THE SHT-TE RENTAL BILL I A SINGLE F GIRLS. PRARILY CONTCTOR. SIXENERATION ALBUQUEUE LOCAL. AND, YOUKN, ACTUALLY AM IMARY A CONTRACTOR, I LIKE RENOVANG HISRI HOME HAVEHREE INLBUQUERQUE A ONE IN SANFE. THENE IN ALBUQUEUE I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT. IT'S ON 1 WALTER IT'S THE OLDMcDOWEL MAFRZ. -- MANSION. IT'S A VRI PROPERTY THATI SANK 50,0 INTO. TO RENOVATE, THAT'S OY POSSIBLE BECAUSE AIR B&B MAKES ATPOSSIBLE. I DID 904 LVER. AND 60 MARBLE BUILT IN 1916. THAT'S CLED THE AW HADEN HOUSE. I'M LOING EDETH, PONTIALLY. THESE ARE HISTORIC RENOVATIONS AND RESTORATIS THAT IDO I KW LEZE LEZLY ES ARE PROJECTS THAT I COULDN'T DO WITHOUT AIR B&B. THEYE IN A TRUST FOR MY TWO DAUGHTER I THINK WE SHOULD BOKING AT FAMILY LUES, COMNITY VALUES, STRENGTHING NGHBORHOODS AND NOTUSHING AN AGENDA THAT LONG-TERMGENDA OF FAMILY VALUES IS WHAT CREATES HOUSING SECURI. WE'RE WORKING AINST EXACTLY WHAT YOUAY THIS BILL IS FOR. THAT'S MY OPINION. THAT'S MY TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU. FOR YOUR WORK HE. >> SHANE FOLLOWED BY JAS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COCILORS, THANK YOU FOR HEARING US SPEAK. I'M ALSO HERE TO SPEAKN REGARD TO THE SHORT-TERM RENTALOLICY WE'RE OBVIOUSLY AGAINST. AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNER MYSELF, I TAKE PRIDE ITHE AMBUSDERSHIP I BRING TO THE RLD, NOT THE CITY, NOT TO THE COUNTRY, BUT ALL OVER I HAV GUESTS THAT HAV STAYED WITH ME FROM JAPAN TO ITALY. OBVIOUSLY BALLOON FIESTA BRINGS PEOPLE FROM EVERYWHERE. I HAVE PEOPLE CONTRACTED WITH THE NATIONAL LABS. I HAVE PEOPLE THAT COME FOR TWO TO THREE WEEKS. AND THEIR CONTRACTS GET EXTENDED. AND I TENGSD MY PLACE TO THEM. THEY CAN STAY AS LONG AS THEY WANT AND HAVE SECURITY IN THE SAFE ENVIRONMENT TO STAY IN. I'VE HAD GUESTS FROM HOTELS BECAUSE THEY HAD CARS AND OTHER PERSONAL ITEMS AMBUSHED IN THE PARKING LOT OF THE BIG HOTEL CHAINS. IT'S A PROBLEM WE HAVE HERE AND YOU KNOW IT. I WOULD SAY TO YOU THESE AIR B&Bs ARE SAFER FOR THE GUESTS FROM OUT OF THE CITY TO STAY. I BELIEVE FOR MYSELF, I'VE HAD OVER 1,000 DIFFERENT STAYS IN THE FIVE HOMES I HAVE. AND I'VE HAD ONE ISSUE. THAT ISSUE WAS RESOLVED PRETTY QUICKLY. AIR B&B ALSO HELPS PEOPLE. WE WERE IN A MEETING YESTERDAY AND WE FOUND OUT SOMEONE'S CAR GOT VANDALIZED IN FRONT OF AIR B&B. AND THEY STOOD UP AND PAID FOR THE REPAIRS OF THE VEHICLE. IT'S SOMETHING THEY DO AND THEIR GUESTS GUARANTEE. THERE'S HOST GUARANTEES AS WELL. NOT ONLY IS IT TO HELP OUR CITY AND TOURISM AND WHAT IS NUMBER ONE IN ALL OF THE STATE, TOURISM, BUT WE'RE PROVIING AN ENVIRONMENT THAT'S MORE LIKE HOME. PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY OUR HOMES WE'RE SHARING WITH OTHERS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> JASON FOLLOWED BY TAD. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. I'M A VETERAN AND A LOCAL REAL ESTATE INVESTOR. I'M HERE TODAY TO EXPRESS MY VIEWS ON SHORT-TERM RENTAL CAPS. I'M A SMALL OWNER OPERATOR. I HAVE ONE SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND ONE SMALL MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY IN ALBUQUERQUE. I STARTED MY SMALL BUSINESS TO HELP SUPPORT MY FAMILY AND PROVIDE INCOME AFTER I RETIRED FROM THE FEDERAL SERVICE. OWNING MULTIPLE PROPERTIES IS PART OF MY BUSINESS PLAN. AND THESE RESTRICTIONS WILL LIMIT MY ABILITY TO GROW MY BUSINESS. MY SHORT-TERM PROPERTY HELPS ME PAY MY MORTGAGE OF MY FUALITY-FAM MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY. TOURISM IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST SOURCES OF INCOME IN NEW MEXICO. AND SHORT-TERM HELPS SUPPORT THAT INDUSTRY 100%. STATISTICS ON HOW A SMALL SHORT-TERM RENTAL MARKET SHARE IS COMPARED TO SEVERAL HOUSING UNITS VERSUS THE REVENUE IT GENERATES. IS REMARKABLE. AS THE INDUSTRY GROWS THERE WILL BE A POINT WHERE INCREASED REGULATION IS REQUIRED. IT'S MY OPINION NOW IS NOT THE TIME. ENERGY IS BETTER SPENT GETTING MORE SHORT-TERM PROPERTIES REGISTERED SO THE CITY CAN GET THE REVENUE BEING PAID TO THE STATE BY THE BOOKING PLATFORMS. THAT MONEY WOULD HELP FUND A VARIETY OF PUBLIC SERVICES. CAPPING SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THEY CURRENTLY REPRESENT LESS THAN 1% OF TOTAL HOUSING UNITS IN ALBUQUERQUE WOULDN'T DO MUCH TO SOLVE THE LACK OF HOUSING IN THE CITY. BUSINESSES LIKE MINE EMPLOY HANDY PEOPLE, CLEANERS, BANKING, LENDING MORE. WEAKENING THE JOB SECTORS WOULD WEAKEN THE ECONOMY IN ALBUQUERQUE AND MY ABILITY TO PROVIDE FOR MY FAMILY. IT'S MY OPINION THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION WILL HAVE MANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. PLEASE DON'T VOTE FOR THIS. THANKS. >> TAD FOLLOWED BY JANS. >> THANK YOU. NOW, LET ME START THIS WAY. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. NOW IN HIS MANAGERS. NOW JESSIE NUNEZ. HE IS CITY COUNCIL DRKT -- DIRECTOR. I DID FILE PUBLIC RECORDS EXAMINATION. THAT IS STATE LAW. WAY OVER PAST DUE. IT IS A TIMELY MATTER. I HAVE TO GET THE AG TO ENFORCE? NO, I'M NOT GOT PLAY THIS WAY. I WILL FILE LAWSUIT AND I RECEIVED -- I'M GOING TO SUE FOR PUNITIVE DAMAGES. WHY ARE YOU AFRAID THAT? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING? YOU MUST BE HIDING SOMETHING. NOW, I WILL LEARN THAT ONE INCH THICK WALLS AT CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS. SINCE EVERYBODY -- THE CORONAVIRUS. NOW, THE MAYOR OFFICE, ONE INCH BEFORE YOU GET TO THE HALLWAY. -- INSTALLED. WELL, YOU HAVE PROBLEM IN THE CITY IN THE COUNTRY. THIS CITY. THANK YOU. >> JANICE FOLLOWED BY CARLOS. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, GOOD EVENING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, I HAVE TO FEW ISSUES I'M GOING TO RAISE TONIGHT. I'M GOING TO START OFF WITH THE DECOMMISSIONING OF THE UNDERPASS AT I-40 NEAR SECOND STREET THAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK. I'LL START BY COMMENDING THE AGENCIES INVOLVED FOR THE THINGS THAT I THINK WENT BETTER THAN THEY HAVE IN THE PAST. THERE'S NO APD PRESENCE. I ONLY SAW MET ROSECURITY AND SANITATION STAFF WHICH IS GREAT. PETS WERE ALLOWED TO GO WITH FOLKS. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT A HOTEL WAS FOUND THAT TAKE PEOPLE'S PETS AND PERSONS. AND THE THIRD THING IS THAT STORAGE SPACE ALLOTTED FOR EACH OF THE PEOPLE LUCKY TO RECEIVE A VOUCHER. THE AREA WHERE WE CAN REALLY IMPROVE IS ON THE NUMBER OF VOUCHERS MADE AVAILABLE FOR FOLKS. I TALKED TO FOUR PEOPLE UNABLE TO GET VOUCHERS THAT DAY. IT SEEMS LIKE THE PROBLEM IS THEY HAD NOT FILLED OUT AN ASSESSMENT BEFORE THE DAY OF THE DECOMMISSIONING, IF YOU WILL. WHICH ARE A MILITARY TERM. WHICH I FIND STRANGE. IF THERE WERE ADDITIONAL VOUCHERS AVAILABLE THE DAY OF, I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BIGGER SUCCESS TO CELEBRATE BECAUSE THERE WERE QUITE A FEW FOLKS ANGRY THEY DIPT GET -- DIDN'T GET A VOUCHER AND DIDN'T GET ADVANCED NOTICE. I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRIEFLY MENTION IS I FOUND OUT THE NEW MEXICO -- IS NO LONGER OFFERING RENTAL ASSISTANCE. THE WEBSITE INDICATES BECAUSE THE COVID FUNDING WIND DOWN. IT TELLS FOLKS TO GO TO THE PREVENTION WEBSITE. THE ADDICTION PREVENTION WEBSITE ONLY PROVIDES HELP FOR THOSE IN ADDICTION COURT. THERE'S KIND OF A GAP THAT PEOPLE ARE FALLING THROUGH. THE EVICTION PREVENTION WEBSITE TELLS THEM TO GO TO THE NEW MEXICO HOME FUND. IT'S A CIRCULAR PROCESS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOU LEADING WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WORKED BETTER AND WELL. THE EQUITY COUNCIL WORKED WITH THE HOME LESS RESIDENTS AND MAKE THINGS BETTER. I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT IS INCREDIBLY USEFUL OF WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT AND WHAT WE CAN DO BETTER NEXT TIME. THAT'S VERY USEFUL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> CARLOS FOLLOWED BY TIMOTHY. TIMOTHY FOLLOWED BY ANDREA. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I'M A PROFESSOR OF POLITICAL SCIENCE WITH SPECIALIZATION WITH URBAN POLITICS AND POLICY. I'VE BEEN ASSISTING THE POLICY TEAM IN DEVELOPMENT OF HOUSING FORWARD ABQ. THIS MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH TO ALBUQUERQUE'S CURRENT HOUSING CRISIS IS BEST PRACTICES AND THE BEST CURRENT THINKING ABOUT HOUSING POLICY IN CITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. WHETHER IT'S HOPEL -- HOTEL, MOTEL, OR OFFICE SPACE CONVERSIONS, ZONING CHANGES TO STIMULATE HOUSING, AND EXPANDING THE HOUSING WORKFORCE, OR PROTECTING LANDLORDS AND TENANTS, THIS PLAN IS BALANCED, REASONABLE, AND EVIDENCE. -- EVIDENCE-BASED. MANY IDEAS ARE BRAND NEW. WHAT IS NOT PARTICULARLY NEW IS HOW WE THINK ABOUT ZONING AND REGULATION AND THE PRODUCTION OF HOUSING UNITS. THE CORE CHALLENGE TODAY ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, NOT JUST IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, THE CORE PROBLEM IS WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING. AND THE RESEARCH ON THIS QUESTION IS ABSOLUTELY CLEAR THAT THE NEGATIVE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE AMOUNT OF ZONING REGULATION AND SO FORTH AND THE PRODUCTION OF NEW HOUSING. THAT'S A CRITICAL PART OF IT. THAT ASPECT OF IT IS NOT PARTICULARLY NEW. SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS ARE CONVERSIONS, THESE ARE RELATIVELY NEW IN THIS CURRENT POLICY ENVIRONMENT. ADDRESSING THE HOUSING CRISIS WILL NOT BE EASY. IT WILL BE WORTH TO EFFORT TO PROVIDE DECENT AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS TO OUR FELLOW CITIZENS. AS THIS INITIATIVE FOR -- I URGE THE COUNCIL'S SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >> ANDREA FOLLOWED BY DALE ON ZOOM. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. IT'S REALLY GREAT TO HAVE TWO PROGRESS COMMISSIONERS SPEAK. I JUST WANTED TO SAY I AM A COMMISSIONER ON THE PROGRESS COMMISSION. I WORK FOR THE BLOOMBERING CENTER FOR GOVERNMENT EXCELLENCE. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU ALL INSIGHT ON A PROJECT WE STARTED IN ALBUQUERQUE. IT'S CALLED COMMUNITY ACCELERATOR. IT FOCUSES ON ECONOMIC ABILITY INITIATIVES FOR CITIES ACROSS THE U.S. WE'RE FOCUSED ON THESE INITIATIVES. WE ONLY HAVE FIVE JURISDICTIONS. SAN ANTONIO. OAKLAND. ALAMEDA. TULSA. ALBUQUERQUE. AND MEMPHIS. ALL OF THE CITIES HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS. THEY FOCUS ON DIFFERENT AREAS OF FOCUS AROUND ECONOMIC REBUILDING. AND FOR ALBUQUERQUE IT'S HOUSING STRATEGIES. I KNOW YOU HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TO HOMEOWNERSHIP AND HOUSING OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS. ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS I'VE BEEN UP HERE ADVOCATING FOR OTHERS. I HAVE APPRECIATED YOUR EFFORTS. I WANTED TO SHARE THE INDICATOR'S PROGRESS FORUM WE HAD FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS THAT WERE PRIMARILY INTERESTED IN HOUSING NRTS -- INTERSECTING WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT GOALS WE HAVE. HOUSING TRANSPORTATION ACCESS HOUSING FOR THOSE WITH DISABILITIES. LOTS OF DIFFERENT INTERSECTIONS. OR FOCUSING ON JOBS SPECIFICALLY IN THE BLACK HOMEOWNERSHIP STRATEGY. I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP TAT -- THAT POPULATION IN MINE MIND AND THE CITY BETWEEN 18 AND 45 YEARS OLD ARE ACQUIRING HOMES AT 45%. WHICH IS QUITE LOW. COMPARED TO THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY AND WHITE RESIDENTS AND RESIDENTS OF OTHERS. TALK TO YOU SOON. >> DALE FOLLOWED BY JESUS. DALE, YOU'RE MUTED. >> THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M HERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE, I'M SURE, OF MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR HOMELESS SITUATION. AND ALL OF THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOUSING WERE VERY, VERY INTERESTING. I APPRECIATE THE INPUT THAT PEOPLE HAD THIS AFTERNOON OR EVENING. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOMELESS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND FROM READING STATISTICS THAT WE HAVE SO MANY MORE HOMELESS THAN WE HAVE HOUSING FOR THEM. THEREFORE, WE HAVE THE TENTS AND THE THINGS ON THE STREET. AND ONE WAY TO START A MOVEMENT OF GETTING THEM OFF THE STREETICIZE FOR THE GATEWAY CENTER. I UNDERSTAND YOU MAY BE CONSIDERING NOT FUNDING THAT AND I WANT YOU TO PLEASE RECONSIDER THE GATEWAY CENTER WOULD PROVIDE HOUSING. IT WOULD PROVIDE COUNSELLING. AND JOB TRAINING. JOB COUNSELING. ANY NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WOULD HELP THE HOMELESS PEOPLE GET THEIR LIVES BACK TO TOGETHER. AND I PRAY THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER THIS. I SAW A CAPTION ON TV LAST SUNDAY OR FRIDAY ABOUT WHAT WASHINGTON D.C. HAS DONE. AND IT GAVE A WONDERFUL DESCRIPTION OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE HOMELESS -- IT WAS A HOMELESS HOTEL THAT HAD BEEN PURCHASED AND THEY WERE CHANING THEIR LIVES BY GETTING MEDICATION IN ORDER. BY BEING ABLE TO HAVE HOUSING. AND FOOD. TO BE ABLE TO THINK WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR LIVES. THANK YOU. PLEASE CONSIDER. >> JESUS FOLLOWED BY JULIE. >> HELLO. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT ZERO FARES IS A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES SUCH AS MYSELF. TO BE ABLE TO GET AROUND PLACES. THAT MEANS I DON'T HAVE TO DEPEND ON ANYONE. I CAN GET FROM A RIDE FROM THEM. FROM POINT A TO POINT B. AND HAVING FREE SUN VAN MAKES IT BETTER BECAUSE IF A RIDER ISN'T ABLE TO PAY THEY WON'T HAVE TO MISS A RIDE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO PAY THANK YOU. >> JULIE FOLLOWED BY MOLLY. MARY FOLLOWED BY LUIZ. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN REGARD TO THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL. I OWN AN AIR B&B. I LIVE IN THE HOME AND I RENT ROOMS. I WANTED TO BE AWARE THAT THE RENTAL GUESTS I'VE HAD AND BEEN ABLE TO SERVE FROM PEOPLE INVOLVING THE MOVIE INDUSTRY, FAMILIES THAT HAVE COME TO WORK IN THE CITY AND ARE LOOKING FOR SHORT-TERM WHILE LOOKING FOR PERMANENT HOUSING FOR THEMSELVES AND FAMILIES. AND I ALSO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I AM NO STRANGER TO THE HOMELESS SITUATION. YEARS AGO I WAS HOMELESS MYSELF. DURING COVID, I LOST MY JOB. I HAD TO TAKE CARE OF MY MOTHER-IN-LAW WHO HAD A STROKE. I WAS ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF HER AND MY FATHER WHO HAS CANCER. I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SUPPORT MY FAMILY BECAUSE OF THE AIR B&B. THE LIMITS THAT ARE BEING IMPOSED WITH THIS LEGISLATION WILL CREATE UNINTEND CONSEQUENCES. I HAVE BEEN AFRAID THAT I WILL FACE HOMELESSNESS AGAIN. I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SUPPORT MY FAMILY AND ALSO MY GUESTS THAT ARE COMING HERE FOR PERMANENT HOUSING. AND AS WELL AS MANY HEALTH CARE WORKERS. THE MAJORITY DURING COVID WERE MEMBERS OF THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY. AND I HEARD ANOTHER PERSON SPEAKING TO THE FACT THEY COME FROM THE SHORT CONTRACT AND EXTEND THE CONTRACT AND HAVE PERMANENT HOUSING DURING THEIR CONTRACT. I URGE YOU TO REALLY BE CONSCIOUS OF THE MANY, MANY OTHER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IF THIS PIECE PASSES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND LISTENING. >> LUIZ FOLLOWED BY KRISTEN. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. I'M A CONSTITUENT OF DISTRICT SIX. AND I JUST WANTED TO THANK COUNCILORS FOR HEARING US TODAY. AND I WANTED TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN KEEPING ZERO FARES FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. WHERE I LIVE IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO GET AROUND. USUALLY I BIKE. BUT, SOMETIMES IT GETS PRETTY LATE AND DARK OUT. THE WEATHER CHANGES UP ON ME. I WILL GET ON TO THE BUS. I LIKE TO TAKE THE ART BUS TO GET DOWNTOWN AND GROCERIES. SOMETIMES I FEEL UNSAFE ON THE STREETS WHERE THE ROUTES AREN'T THE BEST. I THINK THE BUS IS REALLY GOOD WAY TO GET HOME SAFE. I JUST WANTED TO URGE YOU TO DO THAT AND CONSIDER THAT AND KEEP ZERO FARES. THANK YOU. >> CHRISTIAN FOLLOWED BY ROSEMARY. >> GOOD EVENING, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS MY CONCERNS WHILE HUMANIZING RELATIONS AS A PROPERTY MANAGER. I'M A FOURTH GENERATION NATIVE NEW MEXICAN AND HAVE NO INTENTION OF MOVING OR LEAVING THE CITY OR STATE. MY INCOME AND EXPENDITURES STAY LOCAL. WHEN WE WERE IN SCHOOL WE WERE GILLED ABOUT INVESTMENTS AND FUTURE PROVING INVESTMENTS. HOUSING WAS A MAJOR GOAL TO INVEST IN. IT WAS NEVER A GET RICH QUICK SCHEME WITH THE MORTGAGE AND RENT AND UTILITIES. IT WAS STABLE INCOME. THE MAYOR PUSHED FOR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS BY SAYING SMALL BUSINESSES ARE THEBACKBONE OF OUR ECONOMY. HISTORICALLY THE CITY FOCUSED ON COURTING OUT OF STATE BUSINESSES. AND WHILE THIS IS STILL A KEY PART OF OUR WORK, WE ALSO NEED TO ADDRESS GAPS FOR THE HOME-GROWN SMALL BUSINESSES VITAL TO THE ECONOMIC GROWTH. SMALL BUSINESSES WILL CONNECT OUR LOCAL AUNT RUPUNEWERS, WITH THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WILL ENABLE THEM TO LAUNCH AND GROW SMALL BUSINESSES THAT LAUNCH AND BOOST OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. ALBUQUERQUE HAS PUSHED TO BUY LOCAL AND FOR EVERY $100 SPENT $68 STAYS IN THE LOCAL ECONOMY. AS COMPARED TO ONLY$43. AS WELL AS WITH VISIT ALBUQUERQUE. THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION WILL RESTRICT THE GROWTH OF MY FATHER'S FUTURE RETIREMENT. AND MY VEFRP RETIREMENT. FURTHER UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IS THE CITY IS LIMITING ECONOMIC BREATH AND LIMITING THE TAX REVENUE RECEIVED FROM THE HOSPITALITY AND CONGRESS RECEIPT TAXES. THIS IS JUST NOT THE LEGISLATIVE PIECE TO SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS. WE'RE CREATE MORE IN THE LONG RUN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. >> ROSEMARY FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL. >> THANK YOU, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I AM SPEAKING -- I SAW ON THE AGENDA THERE WAS -- YOU HAVE REMOVED THE CARIOUS CONTACTS TO THE DAWN LEGACY POINT APPLICATION FOR SAFE OUTDOOR SPACE BECAUSE I READ IN THE PAPER THEY REMOVED IT BECAUSE OF QUESTIONS RAISED. I UNDERSTAND THIS. AND I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY DETAILED COMMENT. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. THERE'S BEEN A PROPOSAL FOR SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES AND A REVERSE OF OUR WHOLE AT TWUD TOWARD IT. AND NOW AS WE'RE COMING INTO THE SUMMER I URGE YOU TO WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION TO TRY AND COME UP WITH SOME WAY OF HANDLING THE MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GOING TO BE IN SHELTERED SETTINGS. ARE NOT GOING TO BE IN INDOOR SETTINGS. WHO ARE GOING TO NEED WATER. WHO ARE GOING TO NEED SHADE. WHO ARE GOING TO NEED A PLACE TO SPEND THE NIGHT. AND WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, PLAYING ALMOST WHACK A MOLE WITH BUSSING ALL OVER THE CITY, IS NOT HELPING THE UNHOUSED AND IT'S NOT HELPING THE NEIGHBORHOODS. I KNOW WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS. I THOUGHT SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES WOULD BE A GOOD FIRST STEP. BUT IT HAS BEEN TURNED INTO SUCH A POLITICAL FOOTBALL THAT YOU CAN'T GET RID OF IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A BIG ENOUGH MAJORITY TO OVERRULE THE MARE BUT YOU CAN'T DO SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE MAJORITY TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. I HOPE THIS SUMMER WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE SUFFERING OUTDOORS AND NEIGHBORHOODS ARE EFFECTED BY NOT DEALING WITH THE SITUATION. THANK YOU. >> MICHAEL FOLLOWED BY ANITA. >> GOOD EVENING, THERE ARE NEW RELAXED RULES ENABLED AND THESE ARE NEW RULES ENABLED BY O-22-54 THAT MIGHT TO THE DELIGHT OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY DEVELOPERS, AIR B&B LANDLORDS AND RESIDENTIAL HOME INVESTORS. THEY HAVE A CATASPY TO AND THE PERSONAL AND ECONOMIC INVESTMENTS RESIDENTS HAVE MADE IN THEIR HOMES. NOT ALL NEIGHBORHOODS ARE AFFECTED BY THE RELAXING OF ZONING RULES. NEIGHBORHOODS TYPICALLY, THOSE IN AFFLUENT AREAS ALREADY HAVE PRIVATE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS IN PLACE PROHIBITING THE CHANGE THAT RELAXED RULES IN O-22-54 PERMITS. THESE RULES WILL FALL ON THOSE WHO MUST RELY ON GOVERNMENT AFFORDED PROTECTIONS. THOSE WHO ON THE WHOLE ARE LIKELY TO BE LESS AFFLUENT AND THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS AS THEY EXIST IN GATED COMMUNITIES AND MORE AFFLUENT NEIGHBORHOODS. ZONING RULES ARE INTENDED AMONG OTHER THINGS TO PROTECT THE LIFESTYLES AND INVESTMENTS OF RESIDENTS. I OBJECT TO THE RELAXATION OF THE RULES THAT AFFORD THAT PROTECTION. ALSO, HOPELESS IS AN ISSUE WE'RE ALL VERY CONCERNED ABOUT. PLEASE BUDGET FOR MORE CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF. MORE STAFF IS NEEDED. AND THE SYSTEM OF THE LAST MEETING WAS INCREDABLE, IT DID NOT WORK FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND PRESENTERSER. IF WRNG THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME I APPRECIATE IT. >> ANITA FOLLOWED BY CHRISTOPHER. >> GOOD EVENING, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'M A MEMBER OF THE ZERO FARE COALITION. BUS RIDER. AND BOARD PRESIDENT OF ALBUQUERQUE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COALITION. FOR TWO DECADES I WORK ON THE ISSUES OF HOMELESSNESS AND HOUSING. AND IN ALL OF THE AREAS OF INTEREST THE NECESSITY FOR PUBLIC HOUSING HAS BEEN ACTIVATED. AND IS IT ESSENTIAL. I URGE YOU TONIGHT TO VOTE YES FOR MAKING SUN VAN AND ART LINES PERMANENTLY FREE. TRANSIT DEPENDENT RESIDENTS, SENIORS, FAMILYS , ESSENTIAL WORKERS, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, ALL DESERVE ACCESS TO THE TRANSIT SERVICES. AS YOU ALL KNOW AND HAVE HEARD US SAY BEFORE, THE INTERSECTION BETWEEN ACCESSIBLE TRANSIT AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS TANGIBLE. 85% OF RIDERS WHO EARN $35,000 OR LESS ARE ALSO THE SAME PEOPLE WHO PAY 50% OR MORE THAT INCOME FOR HOUSING. AND AS A RESULT HOUSING BURDENED. PROVIING TRANSIT THAT IS BARRIER FREE FOR THIS GROUP IS AN ESSENTIAL STEP TOWARD HOUSING AND TRANSIT EQUITY BY ELIMINATING THE BARRIERS THAT PREVENT PEOPLE FROM GETTING TO THE PLACES THEY NEED TO GO AND LIVE HEALTHY AND FULFILLING LIVES. I WANT TO APPLAUD THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS BOLD JUST EFFORT TO MAKE ART AND SUN VAN PERMANENTLY FREE. PLEASE VOTE YES ON THIS ORDINANCE TONIGHT. WITH A LITTLE BIT OF TIME I ALSO LIKE TO TAKE TIME TO THANK THE MAYOR FOR AN ADDITIONAL$3 MILLION TO THE ZERO FARE PROJECT THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2024. AS NO SURPRISE TO THE COUNCIL THE ZERO FARE COALITION WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT KEPT AND FREE FOR ALL TRANSIT SYSTEMS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS ON SUN VAN AND ART. >> CHRISTOPHER FOLLOWED BY JULIE. >> GOOD EVENING, I AM THE BUS RIDER AND TOGETHER FOR BROTHERS. THE ALBUQUERQUE BUS RIDER'S UNION AND ZERO FARES COALITION TOGETHER FOR BROTHERS STAND IN SUPPORT OF MAKING ART AND SUN VAN PERFORM F PERMFANTLY. 75% OF BUS RIDERS HAVE AN ANNUAL HOUSEHOLD INCOME OF LESS THAN $25,000 AND 88% OF BUS RIDERS SEE KEEPING ZERO FARES AS A SINGLE BEST IMPROVEMENT ABQ RIDE CAN MAKE. IN 2017, 2018 TOGETHER FOR BROTHERS WAS FOUND BY THE KELLOGG FOUNDATION FOR THE FIRST YOUTH LED HEALTH IMPACT ASSESSMENT THAT RESEARCHED THE CONNECTION OF HEALTH EQUITY SOCIAL DETERMINE INSURANCE OF HEALTH AND TRANSIT. HERE IS SOME OF THE RESEARCH WE WERE ABLE TO GATHER ABOUT FREE PUBLIC TRANSIT. 78.5% OF YOUTH THOUGHT IT WOULD BE EASIER TO FIND A JOB. 81% REPLIED THEY WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO ACCESS OUTDOOR RECREATION. 72% OF BOYS AND MEN OF COLOR SAID IT WOULD BE EASIER TO GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL. AND 78% SAID THEY WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO PARTICIPATE IN NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITIES INCLUDING EXERCISE AND HEALTHY FOOD AND SEEING OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY. THE FINAL STATISTIC I WANT TO GIVE IS WE LEARN THAT 90% OF BOYS AND MEN OF COLOR USING TRANSIT DAILY ALSO COMMENTED THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE FARE. TOGETHER FOR BROTHERS AND ALBUQUERQUE BUS RIDERS UNION SEE ART AND SUN VAN AS STEPS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR TRANSIT EQUITY AND TRANSIT DEPENDENT BUS RIDERS GETTING WHAT THEY NEED. THANK YOU AND VOTE YES TO PERMANENTLY FREE SUN VAN AND ART. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT EXTENDED TO OTHER ROUTES IN THE ABQ RIDE SYSTEM. >> JULIE. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK YOU SAID SHE'S HAVING TECHNICAL ISSUES. MAYBE WE CAN COME BACK TO HER LATER. >> IT DOES APPEAR THAT WAY MR. PRESIDENT. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF YOU CONNECT WITH HER, WE'LL TRY TO SQUEEZE HER IN. IF YOU THINK WE MISSED YOU, WHY DON'T YOU SPEAK TO OUR STAFF AND WE'LL VISIT WITH THAT WHILE WE TAKE CARE OF OTHER BUSINESS. IN THE MEANTIME, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I BELIEVE WE MISSED YOU EARIER DURING Q&A AND YOU WANTED TO RESPOND TO COMING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. I WANT TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO GET THAT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I KNOW WE MOVED ON A LITTLE BIT QUICK. MS. DIRECTOR SANCHEZ ASKED ME TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THE FINANCIALS OF THE ONE ALBUQUERQUE FUND. I JUST WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND ASK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR THE ACTUAL INFORMATION IN REFERENCE TO THE ONE ALBUQUERQUE FUND. DONORS, FINANCIALS OF THE FUND, PENGSDTURES, BOARD OF DIRECTORS. ITEMIZED LIST OF HOW THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT. AND I ALSO WANTED TO ASK MR. RAEL IF YOU DONATED TO ONE ALBUQUERQUE FUND. >> MR. PRESIDENT, NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF FROM A DIRECT DONATION. I MAY HAVE BOUGHT SOMETHING THEY MAY HAVE BEEN SELLING AT SOME POINT. I DON'T RECALL. I WILL GET THE INFORMATION YOU REQUESTED. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I JUST WAS HOPING THAT YOU ANSWERED THAT WAY BECAUSE BASICALLY I WAS HOPING THAT IT WASN'T A REQUIREMENT OF ANY CITY DIRECTORS OR DEPUTY DIRECTORS TO ACTUALLY BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE ONE ALBUQUERQUE FUND. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. DO WE NEED TO RETURN OR ARE WE OKAY? THE OTHER FOLKS ARE FOR BILLS? >> I DO HAVE ONE PERSON THAT SIGNED UP UNDER ALIAS. I'LL CALL HER NAME. MAY -- THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THAT PERSON STILL WITH US? >> SHE IS PANELIST. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> MAY, ARE YOU THERE? PERHAPS MORE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, MR. PRESIDENT? >>COUN. DAVIS: OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON FOR JUST A MINUTE. IF WE CAN JOIN THOSE FOLKS AGAIN, WE'LL GET BACK TO THEM BETWEEN OR OTHER ITEMS. WE DO OUR BEST TO RESPECT FOLKS WHO ARE DOING THEIR BEST TO GET WITH US. WE'LL HAVE ONE MORE OPPORTUNITY AFTER THIS NEXT ACTION ITEM. NEXT ON THE AGENDA WE COVERED THE EC COVERED BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO O-70. COMMITTEE SUBAMENDING THE ALBUQUERQUE ALCOHOL LIQUOR ORDINANCE. DO PASS. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. THIS MAKES TECHNICAL CLEAN UPS TO THE LIQUOR ORDINANCE TO ALIGN FROM WITH CHANGES OF THE STATE LIQUOR LAW. IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> NO, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANKS. I THINK WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT. I WAS TRYING TO DRAG SOME TIME SO SHE CAN CATCH UP TO US. SHE'S ALWAYS ON TOP OF IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: GIVE US A MINUTE TO READ THROUGH THIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA, THIS YOUR AMENDMENT. DO YOU WANT TO PROPOSE IT? >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. THANK YOU. WITHOUT READING THE ENTIRE AMENDMENT. THIS IS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. WHAT THIS SAYS IS THIS AMENDMENT REINSTATES THE WAVER REVIEW PROCESS WHEN AN ALCOHOL ESTABLISHMENT IS PROPOSED WITHIN 300 FEET OF A CHURCH. APPLICANTS FOR CHURCH WAVERS ARE REVIEWED AS SCHOOL WAVERS THEY'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY LICENSE TYPE AND ANYWHERE IN THE CITY IN IDO ZONES THAT ALLOW LIQUOR SALE OR SERVICE ACTIVITIES PERMITTED UNDER THE LICENSE. IT ADDS THE VIRTUAL PROVISION. -- CHURCH PROVISION. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. MAY I ASK A QUESTION? I THINK THERE'S NEW LANGUAGE IN YOUR SECTION TWO. IT ADDS RECOGNIZED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I DON'T RECALL BEING -- WAS THAT IN OURS? OKAY. NEVER MIND. THAT'S MINE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? WE WENT AROUND ON THIS. I OPPOSE IT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL STANDS. ONLY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SEE A REASON TO TREAT CHURCHES ANYTHING SPECIAL IN DIFFERENT THAN WE WOULD IN OTHER THINGS TO MAKING THE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT CHOOSE TO SERVE ALCOHOL TREATING THEM LIKE EVERY OTHER BUSINESS. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY ISSUES WE HAD IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE CHURCHES HAVE OPPOSED AN ISSUE OR HAD A BIG ISSUE WITH RESTAURANT NEXT DOOR BECAUSE OF ALCOHOL. WE TRIED TO SIMPLIFY THIS PROCESS AND ENSURE THE BASICS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY AND LICENSE SURE AND INSURANCE ARE COVERED APPROPRIATELY BUT NOT TRYING TO GRANT SPECIAL STATUS TO ANY PARTICULAR TYPE CLASS OR PERSON WHO MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION. I RESPECT SOME FOLKS MAY NOT WANT THIS ADJACENT. I OPPOSE IT BECAUSE I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AS A NEIGHBOR TO PARTICIPATE LIKE ANY NEIGHBOR NOT BE GRANTED A SPECIAL STATUS. I WOULD OPPOSE IT. I URGE THE SPONSOR TO MAKE THE CASE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THIS WAS THEREIN ALREADY. IT WAS REMOVED. AND I WAS ADDING IT BACK IN BECAUSE I THINK THIS DOESN'T PROHIBIT ANYBODY FROM GETTING A LICENSE. THERE'S SOMETIMES CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE CHURCH OR SCHOOL FOR EXAMPLE AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SCHOOL PROVISION AND HAVING A LIQUOR ESTABLISHMENT SO CLOSE CAN CREATE ISSUES FOR SOME INITANCES. MAYBE THE CHURCH IS FINE WITH AN ESTABLISHMENT GOING NEXT TO THEM. THIS GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY IT. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WITHIN YOUR ORDINANCE THAT IS GOOD AND IT SUPPORTS EXPEDITING AND HELPING TO ENSURE WE CAN GROW BUSINESSES IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THIS IS ONE THAT I THOUGHT IT'S IMPORTANT TO BOW ABLE TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY INPUT IN THIS REGARD. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO DISCUSSION. WE'LL ASK THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NO. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: NO. >> PASSES ON A 5-4 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS OR AMENDMENTS? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. WILL THE CLERK CALL THE ROLL? >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. WE'RE GOING TO DO A LITTLE WEIRD THING. THANK YOU FOR ALERTING US TO THIS. WE HAVE A COMMENTER ON O-100. IT'S OUR LAST COMMENTER. HE HAS SCHOOL TONIGHT. WE'RE KEEPING HIM LATE. WE'RE GOING TO LET HIM SPEAK ABOUT 0-100 TO GET MORE REST THAN WE WILL TONIGHT. COME ON DOWN AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. NOW THAT WE EMBARRASSED YOU, YOU HAVE TO TELL US WHERE YOU GO TO SCHOOL. GREAT. THANK YOU, SIR. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL, GOOD EVENING. I AM 12 YEARS OLD AND I AM A STUDENT AT COTTON WOOD PREPATORY SCHOOL. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ALBUQUERQUE MUSEUM EDUCATION CENTER. MAYOR KELLER RECOMMENDED FUNDING FOR A NEW CENTER THAT HAS MORE CLASSROOMS AND OFFERS MORE CLASSES TO THE COMMUNITY. I WAS VERY EXCITED TO HEAR ABOUT THIS. BUT DISAPPOINTED THAT THE MONEY MIGHT NOT BE USED FOR THE MUSEUM. I AM SAD TO HEAR THAT. LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE MUSEUM. I'VE BEEN TAKING CLASSES THERE IN PAINTING, DRAWING, AND MANY OTHER THINGS SINCE I WAS SIX YEARS OLD. I TOOK CLASSES ON THE WEEKENDS IN THE SUMMER AND DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR. I TOOK CLASSES ON FRIDAYS, DURING THE PANDEMIC TO GET AWAY FROM THE -- WHICH WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR ME BECAUSE I COULD INTERACT IN PERSON AND DO ART. IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS OFTEN DO NOT MANY ART OPPORTUNITIES. THERE WERE YEARS WHEN I HAD NO ART CLASSES AT ALL. AND OTHERS WHEN I HAD ART FOR ONE SEMESTER. THEN I DISCOVERED THE ART CLASSES AT ALBUQUERQUE MUSEUM. THE MUSEUM CLASSES TART ME ABOUT ART FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD INCLUING MEXICO,JAPAN, INDIA AND AUSTRALIA. I LEARNED ABOUT DIFFERENT ART TECHNIQUE AND DIFFERENT ART. I -- IF I HAD NOT HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY I WOULD NOT BE THE ARTIST THAT I AM. THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE NEEDS TO OFFER MORE TO THE COMMUNITY. I WAS EXCITED -- I WAS EXCITED TO HEAR THE ALBUQUERQUE MUSEUM WAS PLANNING TO EXTEND THE SCHOOL AND I HOPE YOU AGREE TO THAT. THANKS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, SIR. I THINK SEVERAL COUNCILORS HAVE AMENDMENTS THAT HELP DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >>COUN. DAVIS: DID WE CATCH UP WITH ANY TECHNICAL FOLKS? >> I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. SDMRD I US . >>COUN. DAVIS: I SUSPECT FOR PEOPLE WAITING TO WEIGH IN ON HOMELESSNESS OR BUDGETS YOU'LL HAVE OTHER CHANCES. WE'LL MOVE TO R-120. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, COUNCILOR PEÑA, AND MYSELF. I'LL LET ME CO-SPONSORS PRESENT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS APPROVING THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT ANALYSIS OF THE PROPOSAL O-23-71 FOR A PERMANENT ZERO FARES FOR ART AND SUN VAN SERVICE. MOVE A DO PASS. THIS IS PART OF THE O-71 THAT WAS MONTHS OF NEGOTIATION. WE FINALLY CAME UP WITH SOMETHING WE LIKE. WE NEED TO DO THIS EQUITY ANALYSIS BEFORE WE COULD MOVE THIS PART OF THE BILL. WE REMOVED THAT SECTION OF THE BILL. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR NEXT. THIS IS THE EQUITY ANALYSIS THAT SUPPORTS THE BILL. ANY QUESTIONS I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'M WONDERING WHY THIS ISN'T AN ACCEPTANCE. WHY IS IT A RESOLUTION FOR APPROVAL? WOULDN'T SOMETHING LIKE THIS BE AN ACCEPTING THE STUDY? >>COUN. DAVIS: I SEE MR. MELENDREZ THINKING HARD ABOUT THAT. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, AS FAR AS I KNOW THE PREVIOUS TIMES WE HAD EQUITY ANALYSIS THAT'S CAME THROUGH RESOLUTION. PREVIOUSLY WE HAD AN EQUITY ANALYSIS THAT WENT THROUGH AND IT WAS ALSO IN THE FORM OF REGZ -- RESOLUTION. THAT'S WHAT I RECALL. >>COUN. LEWIS: THIS IS REALLY A STUDY THAT WE ASKED THE DEPARTMENT WAS REQUIRED TO DO. THEY SEND IT BACK TO US. AND WE'RE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT IT WAS COMPLETE. >>COUN. DAVIS: IT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR ANOTHER PIECE OF LEGISLATION. >> THAT'S CORRECT. IT IS PRECEDENT TO THE NEXT PIECE. >>COUN. DAVIS: MR. MENACUCCI. >> YES, HISTORICALLY IT CAME AS A RESOLUTION IN THAT IT IS TO BE ACCEPTED -- NOT ACCEPTED BUT BUT THE APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL. AND ADOPTED AS PART OF THE POLICY. TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WANTS THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO RECEIVE FUNDS AND RECEIVE THEIR APPROVAL ON WHENEVER THEY RECEIVE THEIR GRANTS OR ANALYSISES. WE'VE DONE IT AS A PAULSACY. THAT SEEMS TO BE WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR LEWIS, ANYTHING FURTHER? THANKS. OTHER COUNCILORS AND WE'LL GO BACK TO COUNCILORS. IF THERE'S A PRESENTATION. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? I KNOW THE STUDY IS AVAILABLE. WE HAD SOME SPEAKERS. IS THAT THE CASE? NO? OKAY. SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. WE'LL ASK THE CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: NOW WE'RE ON THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, COUNCILOR PEÑA MYSELF. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS A COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE FOR O-71 AMENDING CHAPTER ONE ARTICLE 2NDS ONE OF THE TRANSIT CORD INSURANCE TO ESTABLISH THE PERMANENT ZERO FARE AND RAPID TRANSIT THROUGH THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT QUALIFICATION PROCESS EXPANDING CHAPTER 12 ARTICLE TWO SECTION 19 OF THE CRIMINAL CODE RELATED TO OFFENSES RELATED TO PUBLIC SAFETY. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL SECOND. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. THIS BILL WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL TRANSIT LARGE BILL WE HAD. WE NEEDED TO GET THAT EQUITY ANALYSIS BEFORE WE HAD THIS SECTION PASS THROUGH COUNCIL. NOW WE HAVE THE ANALYSIS AND IT'S BEEN ACCEPTED, THIS IS JUST COMPLEING THAT FINAL PART OF THE BILL. AND THIS WILL CREATE PERMANENT ZERO FARES FOR SUN VAN. AND FOR THE ART. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I'LL GO TO COUNCILOR GROUT THEN COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. COUNCILOR, DO WE HAVE PROJECTIONS ON THE FUCHLER COST OF RUNNING THIS SERVICE? >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK WE'RE GOING TO PITCH THAT TO MR. MENACUCCI. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, IN THE FISCAL ANALYSIS IMPACT ON THE WRITE UP, IT GIVES THE EXISTING COST FOR 2019. THEY HAVE THE SUN VAN ON IT WHEN THE NUMBERS WERE FULL. BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC THEIR NUMBERS DECREASED. WE CAN'T GIVE YOU LAST YEAR'S COST. AGAIN, WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET THAT JUST CAME OUT ON FRIDAY TO SEE HOW INFLATION AND INCREASED RIDERSHIP. HOPEFULLY TRANSED T IS HERE TO ANSWER THAT. WE SHOW 2019 WHICH IS THE CLOSEST WE HAVE FOR SUN VAN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR ART. IT'S THE SAME STORY FOR ART. WE'RE DEALING WITH THE UNIQUENESS OF THE IMPACTESS OF THE PANDEMIC AND TRYING TO GET CLOSE TO GIVING YOU A NUMBER. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. CAN WE PREDICT THE FUTURE MAINTENANCE AND SECURITY COSTS? >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT MIGHT BE A MR. RAEL/TRANSIT QUESTION. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, OUR TRANSIT DIRECTOR IS HERE. I THINK THE REAL PRACTICALITY TO YOUR QUESTION IS IT'S VERY CHALLENING TO PREDICT. KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW TODAY AND WHAT WE'RE PAYING TODAY, MAYBE THE BEST ANSWER WE CAN GIVE YOU, I BELIEVE WE'LL HAVE THE TRANSIT DIRECTOR GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHERE THEY ARE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE A MORE IN-DEPTH ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE OUR BUDGET STAFF GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE GOING FORWARD IF THAT MAKES YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >> COUNCILOR GROUT, YES, AS FAR AS SECURITY AND MAINTENANCE COSTS. I DON'T HAVE PROJEKDZS FOR THAT. I CAN ASLEWED THOSE ARE BASED OFF OF FISCAL YEAR 2022. FOR ART YOU'RE LOOKING AT OPERATING EXPENSE OF $5.5 MILLION. THAT DID NOT INCLUDE THE DRIVERS COMING ONLINE OFF A GRANT WE HAD FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS FOR ART. IT WOULD BE ABOUT $5.5 MILLION FOR THE OPERATING. WE SAW ABOUT $810,000. LEAVING US ABOUT $4.7 MILLION. AND FOR OUR SUN VAN EXPENSES, THE OPERATING EXPENSE ABOUT $7.1 MILLION. AND THE FARE RECOVERY IS LESSON THAT ABOUT $258,000. LOOKING AT ABOUT $6.8 MILLION. I ANTICIPATE WE'RE GOING TO START SEEING OUR NUMBERS COME BACK FOR SUN VAN AND APPLICATIONS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. FOR FREE. HAVE FREE FARES IMPROVES THE SYSTEM IN TERMS OF FREQUENCY, EFFICIENCY, AND QUALITY? >> COUNCILOR GROUT, PART OF THE REASON FREE FARE IS FOR THE ON AND OFF BOARD ACCESS FOR ART. YES, WOULD SAY THEY HAVE INCREASED. >>COUN. GROUT: EFFICIENCY AND QUALITY. HAS THAT IMPROVED THE SYSTEM? >> COUNCILOR GROUT, I REFER AND YOU HEAR FROM THE GENERAL COMMENTS THAT IT HAS MADE IT OR ACCESSIBLE FOR LOT OF INDIVIDUALS. IT HAS IMPROVED IN THAT CASE. I THINK WE HAVE A LOT TO WORK ON AS FAR AS THE SAFETY OF THE SYSTEM AND CLEANLINESS OF THE SYSTEM. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY JUST BECAUSE OF THE ZERO FARES. >>COUN. GROUT: RIGHT. I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION. I'LL THINK OF IT. PERMANENT IS A LONG TIME. PERMANENT IS A LONG TIME. WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE ACCESSIBILITY AND YOU KNOW PEOPLE HAVE GOOD REASON TO GET ON THE BUS AND USE IT. PERMANENT IS A LONG TIME. WHILE I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT, IT'S EXPENSIVE. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST IN THE FUTURE. HAVE WE FINISHED THE PILOT PROGRAM? SEE -- DO WE HAVE THE RESULTS FROM THAT? >> COUNCILOR GROUT, WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF THE ANALYSIS OF THAT. WE WILL HAVE IT AT THE END OF JUP -- JUNE. >>COUN. GROUT: IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE SHOULD FINISH THIS BEFORE THAT IS DONE? THAT WAS AN ARGUMENT THAT WAS MADE PRIOR TO WHEN WE HAD FIVE DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS GOING. AND I'M WONDERING WHY WE'RE PUSHING THIS NOW WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT ANALYSIS DONE YET. >> COUNCILOR GROUT, IT'S FREE RIGHT NOW. AND ZERO FARES ARE ALSO WITH THE SUN VAN. IT MAKES IT PERMANENT. IT IS FREE UNTIL WE MAKE THAT DETERM DETERMINATION. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE QUESTION I HAD IS I STILL HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE TRANSIT SECURITY OFFICER. I HAVE BEEN CONTACTED OVER AND OVER BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE IN THE UNION AND ALSO BY DIFFERENT SECURITY OFFICERS THEMSELVES STATING THAT THEY'RE STILL IN DANGER BASED ON WHAT'S GOING ON. I ALSO HEARD THAT THERE'S PLAN TO BE A MASSIVE EXIT OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO WORK AT A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT THAN ACTUALLY HAVE TO ENFORCE THE LAW IN REFERENCE TO THE RIDERSHIP. ALSO, THE OFFICERS, THE SECURITY OFFICERS AS WELL AS THE OFFICERS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN HERE TODAY ARE DRESSED SIMILARLY TO AN APD POLICE OFFICER. BACK IN MY DAY AT THE CITY THEY WORE A LIGHT BLUE UNIFORM. NOW THEY'RE WEARING A POLICE UNIFORM THAT IS EXTREMELY SIMILAR TO AN APD OFFICER'S UNIFORM. SAME THING WITH EVEN OUR ANIMAL CARE PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT THERE. THE OFFICERS WHO ARE ACTUALLY WORKING ON ANIMAL CONTROL. THEY'RE WEARING A BLACK UNIFORM. CONCERNED FOR THEIR SAFETY BECAUSE THEY ALSO HAVE TOLD ME THAT THEY HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY CITIZENS WHO THINK THAT THEY'RE POLICE OFFICERS AND CAN HANDLE THEIR PROBLEM. WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING IT THE SAFETY OF THE BUS DRIVERS AND ALSO THE SAFETY OF THE INDIVIDUALS AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO IF WE HAVE THIS MASS EXIT OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ACTUALLY LEAVING FOR THE SAKE OF THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE HIRED TO DO? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I'M NOT SURE I QUITE UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. IS IT ABOUT SECURITY? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: IT'S ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE OFFICERS AND THE SAFETY OF THE SECURITY PERSONNEL WHO ARE ASKED TO DO MORE THAN BEFORE. AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL BE LEAVING THE DEPARTMENT PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE TIME IN CITY GOVERNMENT BEFORE THEY RETIRE. PROBABLY WANT TO TRANSFER FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS. APPARENTLY THAT'S GOING ON. DO YOU KNOW THAT? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I DON'T RECALL -- I DON'T HAVE ENTER ON THAT DIRECTOR CRAIG MIGHT. WE HE HAS THE SECURITY GUARDS FOR HIS LEADERSHIP. >> I'M THE DIRECTOR OF GENERAL SERVICES METRO SECURITY IS UNDER ME. WE HAVE ABOUT 24 OFFICERS THAT WILL BE BIDDING IN THE COMING WEEK FOR SECURITY POSITIONS AROUND THE CITY. 24 POSITIONS FOR TRANSED -- TRANSIT SECURITY OFFICERS SERVING THE TRANSIT BUSES. AND ART BUSES AS SECURITY PERSONNEL. WAS THE QUESTION REGARDING HOW WE KEEP THEM SECURE? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THAT'S CORRECT. >> OBVIOUSLY WE VALUE ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND WE HAVE TRAINING REGIMENTS FOR THEM. THEY HAVE TWO-WAY RADIOS TO CALL FOR BACK UP IF THEY NEED IT FROM ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH THEM REGARDING PROTOCOLS FOR RESPONDING TO INSTANCES THAT OUR SECURITY OFFICERS HAVE. WHETHER IT'S THE TRANSIT CENTERS OR ACTUAL BUSES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION IS BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO DO MORE. AND IN REFERENCE TO THE OLD JOB. HOW DO WE KEEP THEM IN A SITUATION WHERE CONFRONTATION THEY ENCOUNTER IS NOT GOING TO ESCALATE? WE'RE CALLING THEM PEACE OFFERS -- OFFICERS? >> THAT'S NOT CORRECT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THAT IS OUT OF THERE? THIS CATEGORIZES -- OKAY, GOT IT. THIS QUESTION STILL REMAINS. THEY'RE STILL DRESSED AS A POLICE OFFICER. WEARING THE DARK UNIFORM. THE BLUE UNIFORM. THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES IT LOOK DIFFERENT FROM POLICE OFFICER IS THE BADGE THAT THEY WEAR AND ALSO THE PATCH. TO A REGULAR CITIZEN THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THAT. IS THERE ANYTHING FURTHER YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING TO MAKE SURE THE GENERAL PUBLIC DOESN'T MISTAKE THEM AS A POLICE OFFICER? >> OUR OFFICERS ARE TRAINED THAT IF ANYONE APPROACHES TO HELP IN REGARD TO BEING POLICE OFFICERS THEY TELL THEM THEY'RE MET ROSECURITY AND THAT IS THE JOB THEY HAVE DONE. SO, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ISSUE IS THE COLOR OF THE UNIFORM. I THINK THE BADGE IS SEPARATE AND INSAYING NO IN TERMS OF METRO SECURITY, THEY'RE MARKED. THEY'RE IN UNIFORM. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: OKAY, THANK YOU. I THINK WE HAVE SOME FOLKS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FOR THAT ITEM? COUNCILOR BASSAN. ANYTHING ELSE? WE DO HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE SIGNED UP. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS JANICE FOLLOWED BY LUIZ. >> GOOD EVENING, I COME HERE AS A MEMBER OF THE ZERO FARES COALITION. AS A MEMBER OF THE HEALTH EQUITY COUNCIL AND ALSO AS A BIG SISTER. I WANT TO SHARE A PERSONAL STORY. MY YOUNGEST SISTER WAS BORN WITH DOWNS SYNDROME. SHOUT OUT TO COUNCILOR PEÑA ABOUT NEGATING THE USE OF THE R-WORD. I APPRECIATED THE COMMENT EARLIER. MY SISTER WAS VERY INDEPENDENT. SHE UNFORTUNATELY PASSED FROM LUCHEMOIA WHEN SHE WAS 20 YEARS OLD. IN HER LAST YEAR OF LIFE SHE WANTED TO GET MARRIED. SHE HAD A BOYFRIEND WHO HAD DOWNS SYNDROME. AFTER THE PASSING SHE -- HE WOULD VISIT WITH THE SUN VAN. AND OFTENTIMES FOR THE SAME REASON THAT HE WAS ELIGIBLE TO RIDE THE SUN VAN, HE STRUGGLED TO FIND HIS WALLET. HE CAME FROM A WORKING CLASS FAMILY. HE HAD TWO PARENTS WITH FULLTIME JOBS. SOMETIMES HE COULDN'T GET THE FARES TOGETHER TO COME ACROSS TOWN AND VISIT US. IT WAS REALLY DETRIMENTAL TO HIM. WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PERSONAL SITUATION AND I EXTEND IT TO OTHER FOLKS ACROSS THE CITY WHO ARE LIVING TIME WITH PERMANENT DISABILITIES. WE TALK ABOUT MAKING ZERO FARES PERMANENT, BUT THESE ARE FOLKS WITH PERMANENT THINGS THAT AFFECT THEM FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE. THEY CAN IMPACT THE ABILITY NOT ONLY TO SOCIALIZE AND CONNECT WITH THE COMMUNITY OR GET TO DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS OR TO SCHOOL. MY BROTHER-IN-LAW HAS A JOB. THESE ARE ALL THINGS HE WAS DEPENDENT ON THE SUN VAN TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS. I THANK THE COUNCILORS, COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR PEÑA, AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN FOR YOUR WORK TO MAKE THIS PERMANENTLY FREE. THANK YOU. >> LUIZ FOLLOWED BY ROSEMARY ON ZOOM. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILORS, I AM THE PRESIDENT OF LOCAL 18 THE ALBUQUERQUE OFFICER'S ASSOCIATION UNION. I WORKED FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE FOR 22 YEARS. THE FIRST FOUR YEARS I WORKED AT BCDC AND MDC. FOR THE LAST 18 YEARS I WORKED FOR CITY SECURITY AND METRO SECURITY. I'M HERE FOR THE SECURITY ASPECT OF THE TRANSIT PLAN. I HAVE MANY CONCERNS OVER HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND OFFICER SAFETY. SOME OF MY CONCERNS ARE THE LACK OF TRAINING, WRITTEN POLICY AND PROCEDURE, SOP, POST INSTRUCTIONS, SCOPE OF AUTHORITY, LIABILITY THAT WE'RE UNDER, THE CITY'S LIABILITY, PUBLIC APPEARANCE BECAUSE OF THE UNIFORMS, STAFFING, AND LACK OF STAFFING. CRISIS MANAGEMENT TRAINING. FENTANYL ACCIDENTAL EXPOSURE OR HAZARD CHEMICAL EXPOSURES. AND MEDICAL TRAINING. RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO IS POLICE WORK. FROM DOWN-AND-OUT MEDICAL CALLS TO ASSAULTS AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. CAN I SPOKE TO APD'S UNION. WE DYING HE HAS A IT'S THE UNION'S POSITION WE'RE BARELY OPERATING -- WE'RE BARELY BEING ABLE TO DO WHAT WE'RE ASKED TO DO. MUCH LESS BEING ABLE TO ADD MORE RESPONSIBILITIES AND DANGERS. I'M WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. IF NOT, IT'S MY HOPE ANY DECISION REGARDING THE SECURITY ASPECT OF THE TRANSIT BILL BE PLACED ON HOLD UNTIL WE CAN SPEAK WITH YOU AND ELABORATE AND EXPAND MORE ON THE CONCERNS WE HAVE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF YOUR MEMBERS. THEY MAKE OUR CITY WORK. WE APPRECIATE IT. WE'LL BE IN TOUCH. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. SISNEROS. ARE YOU CURRENTLY ASKED TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE YOUR JOB DESCRIPTION NOW? >> PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING ON THE TRANSIT CENTRAL CORRIDOR, WE'RE NOT TRAINED FOR. WE'RE NOT EQUIPPED FOR. IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE OFFICERS NOT WANTING TO DO IT, IT'S BECAUSE OF LACK OF TRAINING WE'VE BEEN GIVEN OVER THE YEARS. WE'RE CARRYING EQUIPMENT THAT HAS BEEN EXPIRED. MY OC SPRAY HAS BEEN EXPIRED FOR 16 MONTHS. THEY DO MONTHLY UNIFORM INSPECTION. THEY NOTE THAT EVERY MONTH. WE TALKED ABOUT IT EVERY DAY. ALL OF THE OFFICERS AFRAID OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IS A POTENTIAL CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION AGAINST THE HOMELESS POPULATION OF ALBUQUERQUE. WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY OR THE TRAINING TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE RESPONDING TO DOWN-AND-OUT CALLS. WE'RE GETTING THERE AND ASSESSING DOES ACS NEED TO BE CALLED. DOES AFR NEED TO BE CALLED. IS THIS PERSON COMBATIVE. DO I NEED TO CALL APD OR CAN THEY GET UP AND LEAVE ON THEIR OWN ACCORD. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE NEVER DEALT WITH AS SECURITY. WE WORKED AT OTHER PLACES. TRANSIT SECURITY, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. WHEN WE MERGED TWO YEARS AGO, THERE'S BEEN LITTLE TO NO CROSS TRAINING. AS OF TOMORROW, I'VE NEVER WORKED TRANSIT. I NEVER WORKED FOR PATROL. I CAN SHOW UP TOMORROW AND IF THEY WANT TO SEND ME OVER THERE, I HAVE TO GO. I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO PARK. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE OFFICE IS. AND I'M EXPECTED TO GO THERE WITH NO WRITTEN INSTRUCTIONS, NO TRAINING. AND DO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING US TO DO. SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET HURT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, IF I CAN INDULGE. MR. RAEL, CAN YOU CHECK INTO THIS? IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENT. >> COUNCILOR PEÑA, COUNCILORS, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT JOB THAN THE JOB THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IN MANY WAYS. IT IS A JOB THAT REQUIRES A LOT MORE TRAINING, A LOT MORE SUPPORT AND WE CERTAINLY RECOGNIZE THAT. WHICH IS PART OF THE CONVERSATION WE ALL HAD WHEN THE BILL WAS ACTUALLY BEING DEVELOPED WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT TAKING OFF THE PEACE OFFICER CATEGORY. THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT ROLE FOR THEM. WE CERTAINLY WILL WORK THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND DRIVE-IN THE TRAINING AND SUPPORT. AS WE ALL TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE ADOPTED THAT LEGISLATION, WE NEED TO MAKE THE TRANSIT, IF YOU WILL, SAFETY GROUP A VERY DIFFERENT GROUP THAN WHAT OUR STANDARDS SECURITY GROUP IS FOR THE REST OF THE CITY. BECAUSE WHEREAS OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY PROVIING SECURITY TO A BUILDING OR IF YOU WILL AN ENTRANCE TO A PROGRAM, ET CETERA, THIS IS EVERY DAY. THIS IS ALMOST A VERY DIFFERENT ROLE. TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILOR PEÑA, YES, WE ARE NEEDING TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF TRAINING THESE OFFICERS OR THESE INDIVIDUALS AND REALLY PROVIING THEM THE SUPPORT THEY NEED FROM APD. BECAUSE THEY ARE CONFRONTING SITUATIONS THAT REQUIRE THE WHOLE DIFFERENT SKILL SET. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, YES, THANK YOU. JUST HEARING THAT IS CONCERNING. OBVIOUSLY, WE JUST CAN'T ASK OUR CITY EMPLOYEES HIRED FOR A SPECIFIC JOB TO THEN JUST CARRY OUT ADDITIONAL DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES WITHOUT THE PROPER TRAINING AND INFORMATION AND SO, ANYWAY. I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MORE ABOUT THIS AS YOU MOVE FORWARD. >> IF I MAY? IT'S JUST WE ARE GOING TO -- WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF PEOPLE OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS WE'VE LOST 7 OFFICERS AND 14 SUPERVISORS. SOME TO RETIREMENT. SOME TO -- A LOT LEFT TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THIS. I'M TALKING TO THE PEOPLE EVERY DAY. THERE'S A SMALL GROUP OF US THAT ARE OKAY WITH DOING IT BUT NOT WITHOUT THE PROPER TRAINING. FOR THE MOST PART I SAY 90% OF THE PEOPLE I WORKED WITH DO NOT WANT TO DO THIS. AND IF THEY'RE MADE TO CHOOSE, AT THIS POINT THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE PAY CUTS AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE OF THE 18 YEARS I'VE BEEN WITH SECURITY WE'VE LACKED TRAINING, EQUIPMENT, AND TIME WITH A COUNSELOR OR SOMEONE ELSE THAT WE HAVE THIS TRAINING OR SKILL SET. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS SAYING YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED. I WANT TO ASK MR. RAEL, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF CREAING DISPATCH CENTER WE FUNDED IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET? AT ONE POINT IT'S JUST A SECURITY SUPERVIOR WITH A CELL PHONE THAT WAS OUR DISPATCH CENTER. THAT WASN'T GOING TO FLY. >> COUNCILORS, THE CURRENT POSITIONS ARE EIGHT INDIVIDUALS. WE'RE HIING ABOUT FIVE MONTHS. WE HAVE ONLY IDENTIFIED FIVE ELIGIBLE. THEY'RE WORKING AND BEING TRAINED IN THE DISPATCH AREA. THE AREA ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THIS BUILDING WHERE THE SECURITY DISPATCH WILL BE PLACED. THAT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED AS WE SPEAK. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. LET ME REMIND EVERYBODY. THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS TO GRANT SECURITY OFFICERS ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY WHICH CAME WITH ADDITIONAL TRAINING AND FUNDING IN THE BUDGET. BY HEARING FROM YOUR OFFICERS AND OTHERS WE DETERMINED THAT WASN'T THE APPROACH. THE ONLY THING THIS BILL ADDRESSES IS IT MAKES A SPECIFIC CRIME TO RESIST ORFUL FAIL TO FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS OF SECURITY OFFICER. GIVING THEM LEGAL BACK UP THAT WHAT YOU TELL THEM TO DO, IF IT'S ENFORCING THE RULES COUNTS. AND APD OR OTHERS CAN HELP ENFORCE THAT. I THINK WE HAVE A BROADER CONVERSATION ABOUT SENDING OUR CITY EMPLOYEES, I DON'T CARE -- I DO CARE, SECURITY OFFICER OR LIFEGUARD, TO ENFORCE RULES WITHOUT AUTHORITY. WE'RE DISPATCHING THEM INTO A SITUATION WE KNOW SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING WITHDRAWN AND THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO ISSUE CITATIONS WHICH COMES WITH TRAINING AND DESKILATION. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO IT THAT FAR, BUT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SPLITTING THIS BACK. IT WAS A GRAND EXPERIMENT THAT WE AGREE WAS NOT A GOOD FIT TO MERGE ALL OF THAT. DOES THE ADMINISTRATION'S BUDGET BREAK THAT OUT THIS YEAR? BREAK SECURITY INTO THE METRO VERSUS TRANSIT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, NOT SPECIFICALLY IN THE BUDGET. HOWEVER WE DID ESTABLISH THE SAME STRUCTURE WITH TRANSIT THAT APD HAS WITH THE AIRPORT IN THAT THERE IS A -- AS MR. CRAIG SAID, THERE ARE 24 OFFICER POSITIONS NOW DEDICATED TO TRANSIT. SO TRANSIT WILL HAVE A DEAD DEDICATED NUMBER OF SECURITY OFFICERS. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. I'M GLAD WE RECOGNIZE THE DIFFERENCE. IT IS A DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU'RE SECURING A BUILDING. THIS BUILDING REQUIRED DE-ESCALATION AND SAME TECHNIQUES. THERE'S A NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. THE WORLD IS MORE DANGEROUS AND WEIRD THAN IT USED TO BE. THE VERY BILL WE PASSED WAS ESTABLISH-RESISTANT VESTS AFTER ONE GOT STABBED AT THE ZOO. THEY DIDN'T HAVE TOOLS TO PROTECT THEMSELVES. THIS COUNCIL SUPPORTED US IN ADDING EXTRA FUNDING FOR THOSE EMPLOYEES AND OTHERS LONG THE WAY. I THINK WE OUGHT TO REVISIT THAT. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, COUNCILOR PEÑA. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT. MR. RAEL, YOU SAID THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT ROLE. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS. IT SEEMS LIKE ON THE SURFACE, I'M ASSUING IT. NOW, I'M HEARING MORE. YOU INDICATED WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF COMING UP WITH TRAINING THESE OFFICERS? OR IN THE PROCESS OF COMING UP WITH PLAN? WHAT WAS THAT YOU MEANT ABOUT THERE'S A PROCESS FOR TRAINING THE TRANSIT OFFICERS? >> FOR -- WHAT I MEANT IN THE COMMENT IS SIMPLY THAT THE ROLE OF THE 24, IF YOU WILL, POSITIONS ASSIGNED TO TRANSIT IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE GOT TODAY AS IT RELATES TO THE GROUP OF EMPLOYEES THAT WORK TO PROVIDE SECURITY. WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW DO WE DEPLOY THOSE INDIVIDUALS IN MOBILE UNITS AND THOSE THAT WILL BE, IF YOU WILL, RIDING THE BUSES AND PROVIING THE DAY TO DAY SECURITY. EVALUATING THAT WORK AND ENSURING THAT WE'RE PROVIDING, FOR EXAMPLE, THE QUESTION THAT COUNCILOR DAVIS JUST ASKED, PROVIING A DISPATCH SO WE KNOW WHERE FOLKS WHERE AND WHAT IS GOING ON AND CREAING THE CONNECTIONS WITH APD TO ENSURE THAT IF THERE IS A SITUATION THAT ARISES THEIRS IS DIRECT OPPORTUNITY OR CONTACT WITH AN OFFICER. AND PROVIING THEM THE -- IT'S VERY DIFFERENT IF YOU WILL, DEALING WITH FOLKS IN A CONFINED SPACE OR ON A PLATFORM WHERE IT'S A BUSY STREET. ALL OF THAT IS NEW TRAINING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. I DON'T KNOW IF DIRECTOR HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS TO ADD TO THAT. THAT'S THE TRAINING I WAS REFERRING TO. >>COUN. BASSAN: I HAVE MORE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. >> IT'S IN THE DEPARTMENT TO HIRE TRAINING COORDINATOR. BEING CLEARED THROUGH HOOUMEN RESOURCES. WE EXPECT THAT TO BE ADVERTISED TO HIRE FULL TIME TRAINER FOR THE SECURITY DEPARTMENT. WE'RE WORKING WITH APD TO ACS TO RECEIVE GENERAL TRAINING WORKING THROUGH THE TRAINER WE'RE HIING FULL TIME TO HAVE THE SKILLS AND BE ABLE TO ASSIGN THE SKILLS TO THE OFFICERS THAT ARE NOT ONLY GOING TO BE ON THE TRANSIT SYSTEM BUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU, DIRECTOR DIRECTOR. YOU'RE ALL GOING TO CHUCKLE, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, WHEN ARE THE TRANSIT OFFICERS GOING TO BE OUT IN THE FIELD WORKING? >> WE CURRENTLY ARE. >>COUN. BASSAN: RESPECTFULLY, THANK YOU. I DO WANT TO HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. DO WE HAVE TRANSIT OFFICERS WORKING OUT IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT NOW? >> YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: SO, MR. PRESIDENT, I WILL SAY, WE'RE HEARING WE'RE NOT TRAINING THEM AND PUTTING THEM OUT ON THE STREETS TO DO A JOB. THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. AND WE'RE PUTTING THEM, AND I WILL SAY AT FIRST WHEN I HEARD THE UNIFORM THING IT SEEMED MENIAL, BUT WE HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES FROM PEOPLE THAT YOU MISTAKE SOMETHING AND PEOPLE AUTOMATICALLY ARE MORE ABRASIVE TO POLICE OFFICERS, SOMETIMES. AND WHY WOULD WE SET UNTRAINED TRANSIT OFFICERS UP FOR MORE FAILURE BY NOT GIVING THEM TRAINING, HAVING THEM DRESS SIMILAR, AND PUTTING THEM IN THESE VERY DIFFERENT ROLES? I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR HOW LONG THE TRAINING IS GOING TO TAKE. HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE BEFORE THE TRANSIT OFFICERS ARE GOING TO BE TRAINED. I WOULD LOVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT DONE OR GET SOMEBODY ELSE TO BE A TRANSIT OFFICER UNTIL THAT HAPPENS. WE'RE PUTTING THE BLIND OUT IN THE FIELD. TO TRY PROTECT PEOPLE, AND THAT SEEMS DANGEROUS FOR MANY PEOPLE. AND REALLY IRRESPONSIBLE. >>COUN. DAVIS: DIRECTOR, AND THERE WOULD BE MORE INTEREST IN THIS. LET'S FIND TIME ON THE NEXT AGENDA. LET'S NOT DAWDLE ON IT. IT CAN BE DOCUMENT MEMO. TWO-MINUTE PRESENTATION, SOMETHING ABOUT THE STATUS OF THAT DEADLINE WHO IS RESPONSIBLE AND HOW THAT WORKS. THAT'S A CONCERN WE'VE HAD FOR SOMETIME. THAT WAY WE CAN REVISIT WHEN WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE BETTER DATA. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, AM PRESIDENT, THERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE TO FIND A WAY TO DEAL WITH WITHIN THIS BILL. IN MY OPINION IT'S FENTANYL USE. WE ALL KNOW THAT FENTANYL HAS A -- IT IS ACTUALLY SUSPENDED. IF SMOKES FENTANYL OR HAS IT IN THE SYSTEM AND EXHALES THAT FENTANYL, YOU'VE JUST EXPOSED THE ENTIRE BUS TO FENTANYL WHICH INCLUDES OTHER RIDERS, WHO ARE PROBABLY INVOLVED IN USING DRUGS. AND IT INCLUDES THE BUS DRIVER AND SECURITY GUARDS. AS WE KNOW, FENTANYL IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS DRUG. AND CAN KILL WITH A SMALL DOSE. WE NEED TO DEFINITELY FIND A WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE. BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO STOP THE USE OF FENTANYL IN ANY PUBLIC PLACE. AND RIGHT NOW, FENTANYL IS BEING USED AT EVERY SINGLE BUS STOP WHEN YOU DRIVE UP AND DOWN THE STREETS IN ALBUQUERQUE. YOU SEE THESE INDIVIDUALS TENTING AND USING THE FENTANYL AT THE BUS STOPS. EVERY SINGLE DAY. THREE, FOUR, TEN TIMES A DAY AT THE BUS STOP NEAR ME. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED THAT. >> YOU HAD FOUR OFFICERS IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS EXPOSED. TWO OF THEM NEEDED MEDICAL ATTENTION. ONE HAD TO BE NAR CANNED. WITHOUT NO WRITTEN POLICY AND PROCEDURE ON HOW THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO. HE WAS TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL AND RETURNED TO WORK AND TOLD TO GO HOME AND TAKE A SHOWER HE WOULD FEEL BETTER. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S INCLUDE THAT IN OUR THING COMES UP IN A FEW WEEKS. I WANT TO REMIND FOLKS WE HAVE OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK WE HAVE ONE OR TWO MORE. AND WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE BILL. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WE HAVE RECOGNIZE -- ROSEMARY. >> THANK YOU, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I CERTAINLY HAVE A SYMPATHY WITH THE CONCERN OF THE SECURITY OFFICERS WITH THE TRAINING THEY NEED AND GET THE BACK UP AND SUPPORT THEY'RE GOING TO NEED. I ASK YOU NOT TO LET THESE CONCERNS JEOPARDIZE KEEPING FREE FARES ON THE BUS. BECAUSE THE FREE FARES ARE SO VALUABLE TO SO MANY CATEGORIES OF PEOPLE. TO OUR YOUTH, TRYING TO GET AROUND BEFORE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN DRIVER'S LICENSES. I WORK FOR YEARS WITH PEOPLE WITH VARIOUS DISABILITIES FOR WHOM HAVING THE MONEY FOR TRANSIT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE AND HAVING VARIOUS KINDS OF PAPER PROOF OF YOUR BEING ABLE TO TRAVEL WOULD ALSO BE A PROBLEM. I'M ASKING YOU PLEASE DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE DEALT WITH SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN OUR FREE FARES AND SERVE OUR PEOPLE. I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT THE BUS SERVICE WILL BE BETTER AND LESS SCARY IF YOU WILL, WHEN WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE TRAVELING AND WHEN WE HAVE IT AS A PART OF THE COMMUNITY. TRAVELING ON THE BUS IS PART OF THE COMMUNITY. I LIVED IN WASHINGTON D.C., EVERYBODY USES THE BUS. EVERYBODY USES THE SUBWAY. AND THAT MAKES IT SAFER FOR EVERYBODY. PLEASE KEEP THESE FARES AS NECESSARY TO MAKE THE SYSTEM FUNCTIONAL. THANK YOU. >> WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ONE SPEAKER. THAT IS CHRISTOPHER. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO READ PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'VE ACTUALLY -- HOPEFULLY DELIVERING HER BABY. [ INAUDIBLE ]. I HOPE YOU SUPPORT O-73-21 TO MAKE THE SUN VAN AND ART LINE FREE. THERE'S TWO COMMENTS THAT I HOPE PERMANENT ZERO FARES. SUN VAN IS CRITICAL, PARATRANSIT SERVES SOME OF THE MOST VULNERABLE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. KEEPING SUN VAN FREE IS THE RIGHT MOVE. THE WAY THE ART BUS IS DESIGNED LENDS ITSELF BEST TO ZERO FARE STRUCTURE. ANY OTHER MEANS OF COLLECTIVE REPAIRS IS CUMBERSOME. AND CAUSING DELAY SHOULD A CONFLICT OF OVER FP FARE RISE. THERE'S TOO MUCH ROOM FOR DISCRETION WHICH CAN LEAD TO TARGETING MARGINALIZED. BY MAKING ART ZERO FARE WE HAVE EFFORTLESS ENTRY AND DEPARTURE ON BUSES AND A RAPID SERVICE. ZERO FARE IS THE PROMISE THAT TRANSIT IS EAIEST OPTION FOR GETTING TO BUSINESS EMPLOYMENT AND RECREATION AS A REGULAR BUS RIDER, I LOVE THE ACCESS TO ZERO FARES. AND I HOPE I CAN TAKE MY LITTLE ONE ON THE BUS WITHOUT HAVING TO FUMBLE FOR FARES. THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS:WEAR GOING TO GO BACK TO COUNCILOR COMMENTS. COUNCILOR JONES. >>COUN. JONES: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'M LISTENING TO THIS VERY, VERY CAREFULLY. I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE PROBLEMS. I THINK WE CAN SOLVE THEM BUT IT WILL NOT BE EASY. I DO ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO RETAIN FREE FARES. WE WILL NEVER MAKE MONEY ON A BUS SYSTEM. NO ONE EVER HAS, NOR WILL WE. WE CAN PROVIDE THE AFFORDABLE AND USABLE TRANSPORTATION THAT OUR CITIZENS AND OUR VISITORS NEED. HOPEFULLY SOMEDAY WE WILL EXPAND AND PUT MORE LINES. PUT, NUMBER ONE PRIORITY MUST BE TODAY AND I HOPE YOU ALL AGREE WITH ME WE MUST GET THE CRIME OFF OF THE CITY BUSES. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE A FREE SYSTEM TO TRANSPORT CITIZENS AND VISITORS OF ALBUQUERQUE THAT THEY'RE AFRAID TO USE. I'M NOT SURE HOW WE DO IT. I RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL GET INVOLVED AND WE START WORKING WITH APD, TRANSIT, AND ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO TALK WITH US AND WE NEED TO DO THIS AND WE NEED TO DO IT VERY, VERY QUICKLY. WE CAN'T LOSE THIS TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION FOR SO MANY PEOPLE IN ALBUQUERQUE WHO DEPEND ON IT. WE ALSO CAN'T PUT OUR CITIZENS AND VISITORS AT RISK. I HOPE WE WILL BE ABLE TO DEFER THIS UNTIL WE HAVE THE NEXT MEETING AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL WORK DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WILL DO ALL THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO MAKE OUR BUS TRANSIT OPERABLE. AND USEFUL. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEW ALL OF THAT OUT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. JUST TO CLARIFY, COUNCILOR JONES, ARE YOU ASKING FOR A DEFERRAL OR SUGGEST THAT WE DO THIS TONIGHT AND DEAL WITH SECURITY AT OUR NEXT MEETING? >>COUN. JONES: I ASK FOR DEFERRAL ON THIS. >>COUN. GROUT: I SECOND THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND SECOND UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING. WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU,MR. PRESIDENT. I WANT TO SAY, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH EVERYONE'S COMMENTS THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON SECURITY AND THAT IS WHAT WE DID IN THE ORIGINAL BILL THAT THIS IS CLEAN UP FOR. IN THAT BILL WE HAVE MANY, MANY, MANY TIMELINES SET FORTH FOR TRANSIT TO GET BACK TO US WITH THINGS LIKE A SHORT-TERM TACTICAL PLAN WHICH WAS TURNED IN LAST WEEK. I REVIEWED THAT. I SENT QUESTIONS BACK. I HOPE OTHER COUNCILORS WILL ALSO DO THAT. I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT STEP TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DOING THOSE THINGS. THAT IS THE SHORT-TERM TACKICAL PLAN. THERE'S ALSO A LONG-TERM TACTICAL PLAN THAT IS TALKING ABOUT MORE OF THE TRAINING, MORE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THIS BILL THAT WE'RE HEARING TONIGHT, AND I'M FINE WITH THE DEFERRAL IF THAT'S THE WILL. THE BILL HEAR HEARING TONIGHT DOES NOT DEAL WITH THOSE ISSUES. THE BILL WE'RE HEARING TONIGHT SAYS THAT WE CAN HAVE FREE FARES ON THE SUN VAN WHICH IS OUR PARA-TRANSIT VAN WHERE WE'RE GIVING OUR MOST DISADVANTAGED RESIDENTS FREE FARES WHICH I THINK WE AGREED TO THIS SEVERAL TIMES AND MAKE ART FREE. I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO THE NUMBERS THAT DIRECTOR GAVE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE. THE QUESTION WAS HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO OPERATE ART. $5.5 MILLION. HOW MUCH ART MAKE. IF WE START CHARGING FARES AGAIN, HOW MUCH DOES ART MAKE, $810,000. THE QUESTION WAS HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO OPERATE SUN VAN. $7.1 MILLION. HOW MUCH DOES IT MAKE. IT WE START CHARGING OUR MOST DISADVANTAGED NEIGHBORS FARES AGAIN, HOW MUCH CAN WE POSSIBY BRING IN, $258,000. I THINK WE SHOULD PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE. WHAT THIS BILL SAYS IS THAT FOR ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR WE'RE GIVING FREE TRANSIT TO OUR MOST DISADVANTAGED NEIGHBORS. AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE'VE ALL AGREED TO. I AGREE WE ALL NEED TO WORK ON THIS TRANSIT SECURITY. WE HAVE THE SHORT-TERM TACTICAL PLAN. I HOPE EVERYONE WILL JOIN ME AND ASKING A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AND MAKING IT BETTER. WE HAVE A LONG-TERM TACTICAL PLAN. WE HAVE TIMELINES THAT WE ALL PASSED THAT ARE RIDICULOUSLY DETAILED. BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS ISSUE OF SECURITY ON OUR TRANSIT IS COVERED AND WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING SO PEOPLE CAN GET WHERE THEY NEED TO GO IN ALBUQUERQUE WITHOUT BEING AFRAID TO GET ON THE BUS. AGAIN, THIS BILL SIMPLY ABOUT SAVING A MILLION DOLLARS BY CHARGING OUR MOST DISADVANTAGED PEOPLE FARES AGAIN. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE DEFERRAL? ON THE MOTION TO DEFER I WANT TO SAY I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN ON THIS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. ART IS FREE NOW. SUN VAN IS FREE NOW. LET'S LOCK THAT DOWN. LET'S GET THIS -- WE'VE DONE THIS FOR A YEAR NOW. VOTED IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO THAT. I THINK IT'S MORE USEFUL TO BE ABLE TO SECURE THAT AND FOCUS ON SECURITY FOR THE OFFICERS AND DRIVERS WHO ARE RIDERS WITHOUT DRYING TO CONTHY FLATE THE I PREFER WE MOVE THIS FORWARD. SO AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE'LL PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA, A PRESENTATION ON THE 17th ABOUT THE PLAN AND THINGS THEY DELIVERED. I'LL VOTE AGAINST THE DEFERRAL. OPEN TO OTHER CONVERSATION. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: I'LL REITERATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I THINK THE GREAT THING ABOUT THIS IS THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT REITERATION WHEN COUNCILOR LEWIS WAS WORKING HARD TO ADDRESS THE CRIME ON THE BUS. AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAD SOME DISAGREEMENT AND DISSENT ON THE COUNCIL AND WE ALL AGREE THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT THE TIMELINES AND LET THE EXPERTS FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES. AS THEY'RE STATING WE HAVE TIMELINES WHERE THEY COME BACK AND TELL US HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS. THE THING WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT WHICH IS GREAT IS THAT IT WOULD ESTABLISH THE FREE FARE BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY WE'RE NOT TACKLING THE SECURITY ASPECT OF THIS THIS EVENING. WHAT IS IN THE BILL, AND MENTIONED EARIER BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THE METRO SECURITY WOULD ACTUALLY ENHANCE AND -- I LOST MY PHRASE. KNOWING OR RESISTING OR OPPOING INDIVIDUAL. IT WOULD MAKE IT ILLEGAL -- THERE WOULD BE STIFFER PENALTIES FOR NOT ADDRESSING OUR SECURITY OFFICERS WRONG. I MESSED THAT ONE UP. MY WHOLE POINT IS THERE SOME IMPORTANT LEGISLATION IN THIS IN ADDITION TO THE FREE FARES. WITH THAT, I DON'T SUPPORT THE DEFERRAL. I CAN GO IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. THE VOTE IS FOR DEFERRAL UNTIL THE 17th. PENALIZE CALL THE VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >>COUN. BENTON: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NO. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: NO. >> THAT FAILS ON A 4-5 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL. AS PROPOSED. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE BILL OR ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? ON THE MATTER OF O-1 WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: NO. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON A 7-2 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. CONGRATULATIONS TO THE SPONSOR. NEXT UP, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE -- AND FOR FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT SET OF BILLS. O-72 AND 73 HAVE SPECIAL RULES. I'M GOING TO DO READ THIS FOR BOTH BILLS. IF YOU'RE PATIENT TO HANG ON. IT'S A QUASI-JUDICIAL REQUEST. THE COUNCIL PLANNING STAFF HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO PRESENT AND WE'LL HEAR FROM PUBLIC SPEAKERS THAT HAVE TWO MINUTES. AND WE HAVE A REBUTTAL BY THE APPLICANT FOR FIVE MINUTES. AND THEN WE HAVE CROSS EXAMINATION BY ANYBODY WHO SPOKE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. COMMENTS BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IF ANY. COUNCIL PLANNING STAFF HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AND THE CITY COUNCIL WILL DELIBERATE. I'M NOT ALWAYS GOOD ABOUT HOLDING US TO THIS. I'M GOING TO DO A BETTER JOB TONIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO. CITY STAFF WHO MAY WISH TO SPEAK AND ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WILL SPEAK HAVE TO BE SWORN IN LIKE IN COURT. IF YOU RAISE YOUR -- IF YOU SPEAK TO THE ITEM AS A STAFF MEMBER OF MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, I BELIEVE WE HAVE ONE PERSON ON ZOOM -- >> MR. PRESIDENT, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY BY THE NAME IN THE ZOOM WAITING ROOM. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF SHE JOINS WE'LL HAVE TO DO ALL THIS AGAIN. THAT'S GREAT. CITY STAFF WHO MAY SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM WILL HAVE TO BE SWORN IN. IF YOU'RE SPEAKING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. DO YOU AFFIRM THAT YOUR TESTIMONY WILL BE TRUE, SAY YES. I HEARD YESES AND SAW HANDS. GREAT. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, O-23-72 IS TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE RELATE TODAY THE NORTH CHARACTER OVERLAY ZONE. ALSO KNOWN AS THE NORTH CPO. THE CPO STRETCHES ALONG FOURTH STREET FROM APPROXIMATELY MOUNTAIN ROAD TO THE SOUTH TO THE CITY LIMITS TO THE NORTH. THIS TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE SMALL MAP AREA IS PRETTY TECHNICAL IN NATURE AND DOESN'T DEVIATE FROM THE ORIGINAL INTENTION. THE CHARACTER PROTECTION OVERLAY ZONE WHICH SOUGHT TO CREATE A KIND OF LARGE ACTIVE ACCESSIBLE PEDESTRIAN REALM SPECIFICALLY ALONG FOURTH STREET. WITHIN THE CPO THERE ARE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR SET BACK AND STEP BACK. AND THE REGULATIONS TO THOSE STEP BACKS AND SET BACKS SAY ANY FRONT FACADE OF A BUILDING HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE PARTICULAR SET BACK OR STEP BACK. THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF THE LANGUAGE BEING DRAFTED THAT WAY IS IF A DEVELOPER ALONG FOURTH STREET IS DEVELOPING ON AN ENTIRE BLOCK OR CORNER, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING MAY NOT BE ORIENTED TOWARD FORTH STREET. WITH THE INTENTION OF THOSE SET BACKS AND STEP BACKS ALWAYS BE APPLICABLE TO THE FACADE THERE'S A CHANCE FOR A LOOPHOLE TO HAPPEN. WHERE THEY CAN ORIENT THE FRONT FACADE TO A SIDE STREET OR REAR OF THE BLOCK. THE PROPOSED CHANGE IN THE CPO WOULD CHANGE THE EXISTING LANGUAGE IN THE IDO FROM SAYING FRONT STEP BACK OR SET BACK, TO ANY SET BACK OR STEP BACK ALONG FOURTH STREET. REPLACING THE LANGUAGE TO SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT THE FOURTH STREET CORRIDOR. THIS ITEM IS A COMPONENT OF THE 2022IDO ANNUAL UPDATE. AND FOLLOWED THE TYPICAL ADOPTION PROCESS FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE IDO. LETTERS WERE MAILED TO 2,000 PROPERTY OWNERS WHO OWN PROPERTY WITHIN THE CPO BOUNDARY AND THE 12 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. LAST FALL COUNCIL STAFF RESPONDED TO A DOZEN PHONE CALLS RELATE TODAY THE MATTER AND HELD TWO APPLICATION MEETINGS IN OCTOBER OF 2022. THERE'S A MEETING REPORT FROM THE PRE-APPLICATION MEETING THAT NOTED THE COMMUNITY APPRECIATED THE PROPOSAL AND THE PUBLIC REVIEW AND SUPPORTIVE OF THE CHANGE. THE ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING COMMISSION TOOK PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE ONE HEARING ON THIS MATTER IN DECEMBER OF 2022. THERE WAS ONLY ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC PRESENT AT THE MEETING AND THEY DID SUPPORT THE REQUEST. AT THAT EPC HEARING THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO THE IRKS DAEX EB EPC DETERMINED THAT ALL OF THE CRITERIA TO A MEDICAL EXAM AMENDMENT TO THE IDO, THAT'S CRITERIA 6-7E3 WERE JUSTIFIED AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING HEARD THIS AT ONE MEETING IN MR. RAEL OF 2023 AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. WITH THAT, I STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. NEXT UP WE'RE GOING TO TESTIMONY BY PUBLIC SPEAKERS. WE DON'T HAVE ANY REGISTERED. WE'LL GO TO REBUTTAL BY THE APPLICANT. IS THERE AN APPLICANT? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYBODY. THIS IS JUST A THING. OKAY. COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I SEE THE DIRECTOR HERE. HE SAYS NO. MS. SCHULZ, YOU'RE BACK. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO OFFER. THIS WAS SPONSORED BY COUNCILOR BENTON WHO I SEE HAS HIS HAND RAISED. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE GOING TO GET TO HIM NEXT. THAT STARTS DELIBERATION BY THE COUNCIL AND A MOTION. COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. YES, I JUST WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE BILL. I'LL MOVE A DO PASS. ON O-72. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN FOR THE RECORD. GO AHEAD, SIR. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILORS, I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE WORK DONE BY THE STAFF AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ON THIS CPO UPDATE. THIS SHOWS WHY AT LEAST BY GOVERNMENT TERMS WE'RE QUICK ON OUR FEET AND TEND THINGS THAT CAN BE UPDATED WITHIN THE IDO AND THIS IS AN EXCEPTION THAT WE DIDN'T STICK AROUND AND WAIT UNTIL THE ANNUAL UPDATE BECAUSE WE DID SEE AN IMPORTANT HOLE IN THIS PARTICULAR CHARACTER PROTECTION OVERLAY. THAPGZ THANKS TO EVERYONE INVOLVED WE CAME UP WITH A GOOD FIX. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ITEM? COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: I SUPPORT THE BILL. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE WHOLE IDO PROCESS WHEN WE DID AWAY WITH OUR ORIGINAL PLANNING PLANS, WE DID AWAY WITH SECTOR PLANS AND WE'RE CREAING THAT ALL OVER AGAIN. IT JUST REALLY IS A LITTLE FRUSTRATING BECAUSE THE WHOLE IDEA WAS THAT WE DIDN'T NEED THE SECTOR PLANS AND SOME OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICTS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CAN SIMPLIFY THE PROCESS. AND NOW WE'RE RECREAING THEM. ALTHOUGH I SUPPORT IT, IT JUST GOES AGAINST WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO DO ORIGINALLY WHEN WE DID THE IDO. >>COUN. DAVIS: OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. COUNCILOR BENTON, YOUR CLOSE. >>COUN. BENTON: JUST A CLARIFICATION. I THINK THE ORIGINAL CHARACTER PROTECTION OVERLAY WOULD HAVE HAD THE SAME GLITCH IN IT. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, YES, THE LANGUAGE THAT WE TRANSLATED FROM THE NORTH FORTH CORRIDOR PLAN INTO THE NORTH FORTH CHARACTER PROTECTION OVERLAY ZONE HAD SIMILAR FLAWS. >>COUN. BENTON: YES, JUST IN RESPONSE TO COUNCILOR PEÑA'S STATEMENT. WE DID CARRY THIS LANGUAGE OVER PRETTY CAREFULLY FROM THAT OLD CORRIDOR PLAN. UNLIKE THAT PLAN, WE'VE GOT A FAIRLY REGULAR SET OF EYES ON THIS TYPE OF OVERLAY WITHIN THE IDO. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO O-73. THIS IS ADOPTING TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE IDO FOR THE NORTH WEST MESA ESCARPMENT PROTECTION ZONE. THIS IS BY COUNCILOR LEWIS. WE'RE GOING TO USE THE SAME QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCESS. FOR ANY CITY STAFF OR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. I SEE SEVERAL HERE. AND PERHAPS ONE ONLINE. DO YOU AFFIRM UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY YOUR TESTIMONY WILL BE TRUE? >> I DO. >>COUN. DAVIS: PERFECT. WE'LL START WITH YOU, AND WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR LEWIS AFTER ALL THIS FOR A MOTION IF THERE IS ONE. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. O-23-72 IS AN AMENDMENT TO A MAP AREA. THIS IS TO THE NORTHWEST MESA VIEW ESCARPMENT VIEW PROTECTION OVERLAY ZONE ALSO KNOWN AS VPO2 WHICH EXISTS IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE CITY. THE PARTICULAR CHANGE PROPOSED TO THIS VPO RELATES TO HOW THE VPO BOUNDARY IS IMPLEMENTED ALONG A PARCEL. THE WAY IT WORKS TODAY FOR THE DEFINITION IN THE IDO IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A PARCEL OF ANY SIZE IF A SMALL AREA BOUNDARY COVERS ANY PORTION OF THE PARCEL THE ENTIRE PARCEL IS SUBJECT TO THE RESTRICTIONS WITHIN THAT SMALL MAPPED AREA. IF YOU A 60ERICAL PARCEL IT COVERS 10 ACRES, IT'S SUBJECT TO THE WHOLE RESTRICTION. FOR THIS PARTICULAR VPO, THE RESTRICTIONS AND BOUNDARY OF INTEREST IS THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION SUB AREA WITHIN THE VPO2 THAT LIMITS BUILDING HEIGHT TO 15 FEET. AND AGAIN THE WAY THAT THE BOUNDARY IS APPLIED THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO THE ENTIRE PARCEL. BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE PARCELS WITHIN VPO2 THEY'RE SOME OF THE LARGEST PARCELS WE HAVE LEFT IN THE CITY. A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE NORTHWEST PART OF TOWN GET CAUGHT IN THE 15-FOOT RESTRICTION. THE PROPOSAL IN O-23-73 PROPOSES TO TWEAK THE LANGUAGE IN THE IDO ONLY SPECIFIC TO VPO2. ALL OF THE OTHER YIS THAT EXIST IN THE IDO THE BOUNDARY RULE APPLIES THE SAME THAT ANY PORTION OF THE LAW COVERED BY THE BOUNDARY THE ENTIRE LOT IS SUBJECT TO THE RESTRICTIONS WITHIN THE BUNDRY. IN BP 0RBGS ONLY THE PORTIONS OF THE LOT ARE SUBJECT TO THE PORTION OF THE RESTRICTIONS. IT CREATES A UNIQUE APPLICATION OF THE BOUNDARY WITHIN THIS AREA. THIS CHANGE WOULD BRING THE APPLICATION OF THE VPO BOUNDARY MUCH CLOSER TO HOW IT WOULD HAVE BEEN APPLIED PRIOR TO ADOPTION OF THE IDO. THIS BUNDRY WAS CREATED FROM THE NORTHWEST MESA ESCARPMENT AREA WHICH WAS ADOPTED SEVERAL DECADES AGO. WITHIN THAT PLAN THE PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE IN O-73 TONIGHT AND HOW THE BOUNDARY LINE WOULD BE MEASURED AND APPLIED TO A PARCEL WOULD MUCH CLOSELY. HOW IT WAS IT WAS IMPLEMENTED PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE IDO. THIS HAD TO GO THROUGH EPC AND LUPZ AND HAVE PUBLIC PROCESSES. COUNCIL STAFF MAILED LETTERS TO APPROXIMATELY 12,000 PROPERTY OWNERS LAST FALL. AND SENTINOSE -- NOTICE. COUNCIL STAFF RESPONSED TO 17 PHONE CALLS FROM PROPERTY OWNERS ABOUT THE PROPOSAL AND WHAT IT MEANT. I'LL NOTE MOST CALLERS WERE NOT CONCERNED AFTER UNDERSTANDING THE PROPOSAL AND IT WOULDN'T HAVE IMPACT ON THE PARCEL. THERE WERE TWO MEETS. THE MEETING REPORT IN YOUR PACKET. AND THE REPORT NOTED THAT ALL ATTENDEES OPPOSED THE REQUEST AT THAT TIME. IN DECEMBER OF 2022 THE EPC HELD ONE HEARING ON THE MATTER. THEY TOOK PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WHICH SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC MOST OF THE ATTENDEES CAME AND EXPRESSED OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST FOR FEAR OF ALLOWING MORE DENSITY AND MORE HEIGHT WITHIN AN AREA THEY PERCEIVED TO BE SENSITIVE THAT SHOULD CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE 15-FOOT HEIGHT RESTRICTION. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF AT THE DECEMBER 2022 HEARING DID RECOMMEND DENIAL FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE EPC CONSIDERED THE CRITERIA REQUIRED FOR THIS TYPE OF REQUEST. THAT IS THE 6-7E3 CRITERIA IN THE IDO. AND DETERMINED THAT OR CLOSE CHOSE TO RECOMMEND THE REQUEST WAS NOT ADEQUATELY JUSTIFIED AGAINST THE CRITERIA. THE RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME BEFORE THE LUPZ COMMITTEE WAS DENIAL. THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE HEARD THIS MATTER AT ONE HEARING IN MR. RAEL AND TOOK PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE WERE 10 SPEAKERS AT THE HEARING AND IT WAS A PRETTY MIXED BAG OF BOTH SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION FOR THE REQUEST. THERE WAS A COMMITTEE AMENDMENT PASSED AT LUPZ THAT SWAPPED OUT THE FINDINGS IN THE BILL. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK WE SHOULD JUST GET IT ALL DONE. GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU. THE ONE COMMITTEE AMENDMENT THAT WAS PASSED AT LUPZ REPLACED FINDINGS OF DENIAL WITH FINDINGS OF SUPPORT. THAT COMMITTEE AMENDMENT IN THE BILL WENT ON TO RECEIVE A DO PASS OUT OF COMMITTEE. IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO DENY THIS REQUEST WE'LL NEED TO SWAP THOSE FINDINGS BACK. THAT WOULD SUPPORT A REQUEST OF DENIAL. WHERE THE BILL SITS TODAY THE FINDINGS AND EVIDENCE THAT EXISTS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE DO SUPPORT THE REQUEST. TO SAY THAT THE REQUEST HAS BEEN ADEQUATELY JUSTIFIED PER THE CRITERIA AND THE IDO. AND I -- THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. I HAVE VISUALS AND MAPS IF IT'S HELPFUL. THIS IS HARDER TO UNDERSTAND. I'M HAPPY TO SHARE IF REQUESTED. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL NOTE THAT. NEXT WE HAVE TESTIMONY BY OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS. SO, I'LL ASK YOU TO CALL THE ONES PRESENT AND IF WE NEED TO WE'LL JUMP INTO THE ZOOMS AND BE SURE THEY'RE PROPERLY SWORN. >> FIRST WE HAVE JAY FOLLOWED BY NANCY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I'M JANE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I AM THE REPRESENTATIVE OF SANTA FE VILLAGE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND PROPERTY OWNER IN SANTA FE VILLAGE LOCATED WITHIN THE VPO. INDIVIDUALLY AND AS A REPRESENTATIVE WHICH IS RECOGNIZED NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ENGAGED ON THIS AMENDMENT. RECEIVING A REQUIRED NOTICE LAST FALL. WE PROVIDED OUR EXTENSIVE WRITTEN COMMENT MARCH 31. WE OPPOSE THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE PROTECTIONS FOR THE NORTH WEST MESA ESCARPMENT. OUR OPPOSITION IS BASED ON THREE MAIN POINTS. CONCEPTS FOR THE PLAN GOES IN POLICIES RELATED TO THE PROTECTION OF THE VIEWS AND NATURAL AND CULTURAL LANDSCAPE OF THE ENTIRE AREA WHICH INCLUDES THE NATIONAL MONUMENT. SACRED CULTUREAL LAND CAME TO THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THESE CONCEPTS ALSO CITED IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT REPORT REFERENCED. SECOND THE CREATION OF A SEPARATE STANDARD OF APPLICATION FOR PROVISION OF OVERLAY AND THE IMPLICATION OF THE PROTECTION OVERLAY THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND EFFECTIVE ENFORCEMENT OF THE PROTECTIONS OF VP O2. THIRD DESCRIPTION OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS RETURNING TO THE PROTECTIONS OF THE RECTIVE LAND. THAT SUBJECT MANDATED LOWER HEIGHT WITHIN THIS AREA AND WOULD RESULT WITH ADOPTION OF THIS AMENDMENT. AND ENACTMENT WOULD PROFUNDLY AND DAMAGE THE NATURAL AND LANDSCAPE OF THE ESCARPMENT AND THE UNIQUE YOOIT -- WE ASK FOR DENIAL AND VOTE TO OPPOSE THIS AMENDMENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME EXTENSION. >> NANCY FOLLOWED BY RENE. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M GRATEFUL TO HAVE YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. ALLOW ME TO PRESENT THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE NATIONAL PARKS SERVICE. WE RECEIVED WRITTEN COMMENTS WHICHIOHOPE YOU READ. I LIKE TO FOCUS ON LEGACY. MORE THAN 30 YEARS AGO THE CITIZENS OF CITY ALBUQUERQUE EMPLOYEES AND ELECTED OFFICIALS WORKED TOGETHER TO PROTECT THE AREA WE KNOW AS THE NATIONAL MONUMENT. THIS AREA OF THE WEST MESA WAS BEING DESTROYED. PEOPLE WERE DUMPING HUGE QUANTIIES OF TRASH AND VANDALIZING ROCKS. USING THEM AS TARGETS FOR SHOOTING PRACTICE. AND BUILDING DEVELOPMENTS ADJACENT TO THE ESCARPMENT. WE PUSHED THROUGH LEGISLATION TO DESIGNATE THE NATIONAL MONUMENT IN 1990. IT'S A NATIONAL PARK DEDICATED TO THE PROTECTION OF PET -- CONSIDERED SACRED BY 29 TRIBES IN THE REGION. THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A HUGE SUPPORTER OF PROTECTING THE MONUMENT AND BECAUSE THE CITY DESIGNATED THROUGH LEGISLATION AS MANAGER OF THE MONUMENT WE ARE UNIQUE AMONG NATIONAL PARK SERVICES. IT ADDS VALUE TO THE SUTTEE WITH MORE THAN 3364,000 VISITORS IN 2021. THE BENEFITS CROSS THE SPECTRUM OFFENSE TOURIST INDUSTRY. ARE WE SILLING -- WITH BY ALLOWING TALLER STRUCTURES TO BE BUILT ON THE EDGE OF THE MONUMENT. THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND CITY STAFF AND TRIBES WHO SUPPORT AND WORKED ON THE 1990 LEGISLATION HAVE LEFT A POSITIVE LEGACY ON THE COMMUNITY. MANY OF THE PREVIOUS PLANNING DOCUMENTS SUPPORTED PROTECTED MEASURES AND THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO TOOK PART IN THE EFFORTS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR CITY COUNCIL PLEASE WORK WITH US AND WORK TOGETHER TOWARD MEASURES THAT BETTER STRENGTHEN THE PROTECTIONS AND VALUES OF THE MONUMENT WORSE -- VERSUS WORKING TOWARD REVERSING THE PROTECTION. PLEASE DO NOT PASS PROPOSED AMENDMENT. >> RENE FOLLOWED BY KYLE. >> GOOD EVENING. I AM WITH THE WEST SIDE COALITION. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. WE DO NOT SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT BECAUSE THIS OVERLAY ZONE AND THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN WILL BE MORE TO PROTECT THE AREA AROUND THE PET RROGLYPH ESSCARPMENT. YOU CAN ONLY BUILD TO 15 FEET. NO, IT SAYS YOU CAN GO UP TO 19 FEET. IT SAYS SO IN THE OVERLAY ZONE RIGHT HERE. THE BUILDINGS CAN GO UP 19 FEET. WHERE DID THEY GET THAT FROM? THEY GOT THAT FROM THE NORTHWEST ESCARPMENT PLAN DONE IN 1987. IT SAYS HERE THAT BUILDING HEIGHTS TO 15 FEET AND 19 FEET WITH A VARIANCE FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL. YOU CAN GO UP TO 19 FEET. BUT IT ALSO HAS LANGUAGE THAT IF IT CROSSES A LOT LINE THEN THE ENTIRE LOT IS SUBJECT TO THE STANDARDS. THIS LANGUAGE THAT WHEN IT CROSSES THE LOT LINE AND THE WHOLE LOT STANDARD IS APPLIED. THIS IS NOT THE ONLY AREA YOU SEE THE STANDARD. THIS IS ACROSS THE CITY. ANY PLACE THAT HAT -- HAS AN OVERLAY ZONE HAS THE SAME LANGUAGE. WHERE IT'S CORRALES, DESERT HILLS. COORS BOULEVARD. IT ALL HAS THE SAME LANGUAGE. IN A WAY YOU'RE CHANING THIS ONE AREA UP THERE THAT REALLY NEEDS THIS PROTECTION. YEAH. ANYWAY. THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND THE IDO WE'RE GETTING UP TO 38 FEET. THIS SAID KEEP THE BUILDING HEIGHT AT 40 FEET. WE'RE NOW GETTING UP TO 38 FEET. 68 FEET. UP THERE. THAT IS WAY TOO HIGH. THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT WILL PROTECT IT. I KNOW SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT SHOWED UP AT THE LUPZ MEETING SAID WE CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING IN 15 FEET. YOU CAN BUILD ON 19 FOOT. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SHOW YOU THE PICTURES. I HAD THEM -- >>COUN. DAVIS: I WAS GOING TO LET YOU FINISH THAT THOUGHT. WE'RE GOING TO CUT YOU OFF IN TEN SECONDS. >> OKAY. THIS IS MONTANO PLAZA. THIS BUILDING IS 18 TEAT. AND McDONALD'S 18 TEAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE GOING TO CUT YOU OFF. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO DO A COMMERCIAL BUILDING AT THE HEIGHT THAT ARE IN THIS. YOU WILL PROTECT IT BETTER IF YOU MAINTAIN THE CURRENT LANGUAGE. >> KYLE FOLLOWED BY BILLY. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I'D LIKE TO GO BACK SINCE WE'RE GOING INTO SOME HISTORY, BEFORE THIS PETROGLYPH MAUMENT -- MONUMENT BECAME FEDERAL PROPERTY MY GRANDFATHER GIFTED THIS PROPERTY WHERE PEOPLE HIKE AND ENJOY PICK -- PICNICS. BEHIND THAT IS ALL THE HIKING TRAILS. WE DO CARE ABOUT THE WELL-BEING OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE WEST SIDE. THIS WAS A GIFT OF PROPERTY THAT WE SAW AN IMPORTANCE FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. WE'RE ASKING YOU TO HELP US DEVELOP THE WEST SIDE AND KEEP A HEALTHY BALANCE. WHAT IS RESIDENTIAL NEEDS TO BE RESIDENTIAL. WHAT IS COMMERCIAL NEEDS TO BE COMMERCIAL. AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A HEALTHY BALANCE OF EACH. PLEASE PUT THE STANDARD OF 15 HEIGHT RESTRICTION AND ALLOW US TO BRING IN SOME BUSINESSES WHICH BENEFITS THE GREATER ALBUQUERQUE AREA. THANK YOU. >> BILLY FOLLOWED BY JAMES ON ZOOM. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILORS, I'M BILL. AND I'M PRESIDENT OF VOLCANO CLIFFS INC. I ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY IN 1979. THAT'S A LONG TIME AGO. IN 1985, THE SNORRA GROUP AND 15 PARTNERS REQUIRED 15% OF THIS PROPERTY. THAT'S ALSO A LONG TIME AGO. THAT'S 28 YEARS AGO. AND THIS -- IF YOU REALIZE THAT ALL THE PARK IS OUR PROPERTY AND ALONG WITH THE CITY AND STATE AND FEDERAL IN ACQUIRING THAT PROPERTY FOR THE PARK. THIS IDO DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THE PARK AT ALL. INSTEAD, IT HELPS THE PARK. WE JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE SUPPORT THE CHANGE AND THE PARK CONSTRUCTION. OUR REAL ESTATE BROKER TELLS US IT MADE THE PROPERTY UNDEVELOPABLE IF YOU DON'T CHANGE THIS RESTRICTION. WE SUPPORT THE CHANGE. AND WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD NIGHT. >>COUN. DAVIS: GO AHEAD. >> JAMES FOLLOWED BY JOHN. >> THIS IS JAMES. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK I HAVE TO CHECK. I SAW YOU A MINUTE AGO. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH? >> YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT OF THE TEXT AMENDMENT FOR BO02. SOME OF THE COMMENTS TONIGHT, YOU KNOW IT WAS TRUE THAT THE FACILITATED MEETINGS HAD PEOPLE RESPONDED TO IT. I'M IN THE PARADISE HILLS ORGANIZATION AND I WAS NEVER NOTIFIED OF THE MEETINGS. THAT'S WHY I ONLY SHOWED UP AT LUPZ BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED OR NOTIFIED ABOUT THE FACILITATED MEETINGS. ALSO, AS FAR AS THE GOING BACK TO THE PAST, IT'S NOT THE SECTOR PLAN AS THE SANTA FE VILLAGE SPOEKZMAN, IT'S GOING BACK TO THE NORTHWEST MESA ESSCARPMENT PLANT. IN SOME AREAS IT WAS BOUNDARIES FOR LOT LINES. PREMATURELY THOUGHT IN THE 1960s. NOT THE AREAS NOT PLOTTED WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF THE AREA UNDER BPO2. AS FAR AS THE BUILDING HEIGHTS GOING UP TO 19 FEET, YES, WITHIN THE BOUNDARY. NOT IN THE EXTENDED BOUNDARY WHICH IS AN ARTIFACT OF THE IDO. THE HISTORY IS THE ESCARPMENT WAS ESTABLISHED AND THE BOUNDARY WAS THE BOUNDARY. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. YOU KNOW, I URGE YOU TO APPROVE THE TEXT AMENDMENTS WHICH WILL TAKE US BACK TO WHERE WE WERE AND NOT INTRODUING ARTIFACTS THAT WERE INADVERTENT BUT NOT DESIRABLE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NORTHWEST MESA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> JOHN FOLLOWED BY RICHARD. >>COUN. DAVIS: BEFORE YOU GET STARTED WE HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE THING. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. THANK YOU. DO YOU AFFIRM UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT YOUR TESTIMONY WILL BE TRUE? >> IT WILL BE. >>COUN. DAVIS: GO AHEAD. >> I WANT TO THANK MR. FAULT'S FAMILY. WHAT A GIFT. WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE SOMEONE AS GENEROUS OF THEM. I HAVE A QUESTION WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. WHEN MOST PEOPLE LOOK AT THE MAP, IF THERE'S A LINE ON THE MAP, THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT ON ONE SIDE FRURS VERSUS THE OTHER. WHEN IT DOESN'T MEAN SOMETHING DIFFERENT, WHY HAVE IT THERE? IT'S MISLEADING, PEOPLE COULD HAVE PROTESTED THAT ON OUR BLUFF IT'S OVER 2,000 FEET FROM THE BORDER ESCARPMENT THAT IS LINE CROSSES OUR PROPERTY BY ONE INCH THE 2,000 LEANIER FEET IS AFFECTED. WE HAVE A 60 ACRE PARCEL FOR WHICH THIS RULE IS DEMINGSING IT DOWN TO 15 FEET. IT'S NOT EQUITABLE FAIR. IT'S A TAKING OF PROPERTY. I OPPOSE WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. THE EXISTENCE OF THE PETROGLYPH PARK IS WE HAD AN ECONOMY TO SUPPORT IT. IF WE DON'T HAVE AN ECONOMY WE CAN'T SUPPORT THE ENVIRONMENT OR EDUCATIONAL OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES. YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS IN PLACE. THIS NEW AMENDMENT THAT COUNCILOR LEWIS PUT FORTH AND THAT LUPZ PASSED 4-1. I HAVE NOTHING ELSE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, SIR. >> OUR NEXT SPEAKSER MRS. WARD. >> AM I AUDIBLE? >>COUN. DAVIS: YES, MA'AM. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND APPLY UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY YOUR TESTIMONY WILL BE TRUE? >> I ACTUALLY DID IT WHEN YOU DID IT THE FIRST TIME. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE CAN'T SEE IT, THAT'S PINE. I TRUST YOU. GO AHEAD. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. APART FROM THE NATURE OF REMOVING OR REDUCING VIEW PROTECTIONS IN A VIEW PROTECTION OVERLAY ZONE IT IS VERY TROUBLING THAT SOMEONE IS TRYING TO UNDO THE STANDARD PRACTICE OF APPLICATION FOR THIS AREA. FURTHER, THE PROPOSED CHANGES WOULD BE RETRO ACTIVE SETS OFF ALL THE ALARM BELLS. THIS VERY MUCHES LIKE SOMEONE IS TRYING TO GET OUT OF A SELF-CREATED MESS OR THERE'S A QUID PRO QUO AT PLAY. LET ME BE BLUNT. THIS LOOKS SKETCHY. IT'S BEEN REVIEWED. THERE'S BEEN PUBLIC TESTIMONY. WE'VE HAD AN OCCASION WHERE THE CITYSTAFF AND EPC RECOMMENDED DENIAL. PLEASE REJECT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE NORTHWEST ESCARPMENT BP0. VOTE NO. THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: BEFORE WE MOVE FURTHER INTO THIS DEBATE, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ HAS A STATEMENT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I ACTUALLY LIVE ON THE ESCARPMENT. AND MY HOME IS ACTUALLY SUBJECT TO HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS. THE LOT LINE RESTRICTIONS. MY HOUSE BORDERS THE ACTUAL PETROGLYPHS. OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. WE'LL ALLOW YOU TO RECRUISE YOURSELF FROM THE CHAMBERS AND WE'LL CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL RIGHT. THERE'S NOT REALLY AN APPLICANT HERE. WE'LL GO BACK TO PLANNING STAFF AND WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR LEWIS ON A POTENTIAL MOTION. ANYTHING ELSE, MS. SCHULTZ. >> THE ONLY THING I NOTE IS THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION IS ONLY APPLICABLE FOR THE MIXED USE ZONES AND NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONES. ANY DISTRICT OR PARCEL WITH RESIDENTIAL WOULD NOT BE IMPACTED BY THIS. OTHER THAN THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. COUNCILOR LEWIS, IT IS YOUR BILL. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, DID WE GO THROUGH ALL THE COMPONENTS OF THE HEARING? >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK WE DON'T HAVE AN APPLICANT. WE HAVE DONE PRESENTATION AND PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE ON DELIBERATION. >>COUN. LEWIS: JUST A COMMENT ON HOW THESE AMENDMENTS ARE INTRODUCED AND HOW THEY FALL. I THINK THIS IS ALL ON THE RECORD. YOU KNOW, SOMEONE MAKES A REQUEST AND IT GOES TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHO MADE THE REQUEST. IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. IN THE SAME WAY IT COMES TO EVERYBODY ELSE. SO, IT'S A COUNCILOR THAT WANTS OR REALLY IT WAS A COUNCILOR WHOSE DISTRICT IT'S IN TO CARRY THE BILL OR AMENDMENT FORWARD IN THAT REGARD. I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT PUBLIC COMMENT. I THINK IN THE LUPZ MEETING WE HEARD FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSION. SOME OF THAT HERE TONIGHT AS WELL. YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS, IN MY EXPERIENCE, SOME OF THE PREVIOUS SECTOR PLANS ESCARPMENT PLANS MENTIONED, WE'VE DONE A LOT TO REMOVE THE DEVELOPMENT FROM THE ESCARPMENT. IN FACT, WE'VE CONTINUED TO DO THAT EVERY SECTOR PLAN AND EVERY PLAN THAT'S BEEN PUT IN PLACE CONTINUES TO INCREASE THAT BOUNDARY. ALSO, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT AS MENTIONED SOME OF THE PREVIOUS LANDOWNERS AND PEOPLE THAT HAVE REALLY DEVELOPED THOSE AREAS YOU OUT THERE A LOT OF WONDERFUL PLACES TO LIVE AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR JOBS AND RETAIL AND THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT TAKE CARE OF THIS PARK. THIS IS, I THINK IT'S THE LARGEST -- I THINK IT'S THE ONLY FEDERAL PARK QUITE LIKE THIS WHERE IT'S SURROUNDED BY URBAN AREA. AND SO IT REQUIRES THAT THE SURROUNDING URBAN AREA TAKE CARE OF THE PARK AND PROVIDE FOR IT. CERTAINLY IT DOES. I KNOW MY EXPERIENCE IN THE CITY COUNCIL HERE IN PREVIOUS TERMS THIS CITY COUNCIL SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ALONG WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ON REMOVING DEBRIS FROM THE MONUMENT. WORKING WITH THE PARKS AND MANY, MANY DIFFERENT WAYS TO IMPROVE THE PARK. I WOULD THINK THAT THE PARKS ACKNOWLEDGES THAT. IT ACKNOWLEDGES THE FOLKS AROUND IT THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED IN MANY WAYS TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT IT. I WOULD WANT TO POINT OUT. THIS WAS SAID AT THE BEGINNING, THIS IS NOT A REDUCTION OF THE -- THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOOSENING OF RESTRICTIONS. THIS IS A BOUNDARY LINE THAT EXTENDED FAR BEYOND THE BOUNDARY LINE BECAUSE OF PROPERTIES THAT WEREN'T IDENTIFIED A GOOD WHILE AGO. GOT A BOUNDARY LINE GOING THROUGH IT. THE PROPERTIES ARE IDENTIFIED AS FAR AS PARAMETERS OF THE PROPERTIES AND WHEN THE IPO CAME ALONG THE NEW RESTRICTION WAS PUT IN PLACE THAT FURTHERED THAT HEIGHT RESTRICTION. SO, WHAT THIS IS DOING IS SIMPLY AS A GENTLEMAN MENTIONED IS MAKING THE BOUNDARY MEAN SOMETHING. YOU CAN SAY. RATHER THAN EXTENDING IT BEYOND WHERE IT EXTENDED RIGHT NOW TO THE ENTIRE PARCEL THAT IT MIGHT COVER, IT REALLY SIMPLY IS, I MEAN, THE ACTUAL BOUNDARY. SO, THIS IS NOT A LESSENING OF THAT BOUNDARY RESTRICTION. IT'S NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S A HIGHER HEIGHT LIMIT CLOSER TO THE MONUMENT. IT'S SIMPLY DEFINING THE BOUNDARY IS THE BOUNDARY AND NOT BEYOND IT WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN PARCELS. I DO SUPPORT IT. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS DO PASS. OTHER COUNCILORS FOR DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: I WAS GOING TO SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: OTHER DISCUSSION? GIVING JUST A SECOND FOR COUNCILORS OF REMOTE. THEY LOOK OKAY. SEEING NO OTHER. I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON THE MOEGDZ FOR A DO PASS. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NO. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: NO. >> THAT PASSES ON A 6-2 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THE VOTE? WHY HAVE -- WE HAVE SIX BECAUSE OF THE RECUSAL. WE'RE GOING TO BRING COUNCILOR SANCHEZ BACK ASK DO ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE WE HAVE FIVE MINUTES LEFT SO WE HAVE TO DO THE SPECIAL MOTION TO GIVE US MORE TIME TO BE HERE TOGETHER. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND EXTEND THE TIME UNTIL 11 P.M. AT LEAST. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILORS, NEXT UP IS COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. O-76. THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER. THERE'S NOT ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS. WE'RE GOING TO ASK STAFF TO WEIGH IN ALONG WITH MS. NAZZY. DO YOU SWEAR UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT YOUR TESTIMONY WILL BE TRUE? >> I DO. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES AND AN I DO. THAT'S GREAT. PLEASE GIVE US A BRIEF OVERVIEW. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. THIS BILL IS O-76 ADOPTING HISTORICAL PROTECTION OVERLAY ZONE TO THE EAST END ADDITION. THE EAST END ADDITION IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF LOMAS AND WYOMING AND CONTAINS 12 PROPERTIES. SHE'S GOING TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION AND THE HISTORIC CONTEXT AND THE NEED FOR THIS PROPOSED HISTORIC PROTECTION OVERLAY. AND WITH THAT, I HAND OVER TO HER. >> THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO CREATE A HISTORIC PROTECTION OVERLAY FOR PORTION OF THE EAST EDITION. IT'S NOT A REGISTERED HISTORIC DISTRICT. THIS IS A NEW WAY OF APPROACHING THE HPO. IT IS A VERY SMALL AREA. WE HAVE A LITTLE POWERPOINT. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THIS SCREEN. YOU CAN SEE JUST SOUTH OF I-40 AND WEST OF WYOMING NORTH OF LOMAS THERE'S A LITTLE BLOCK THAT REMAINS. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. IN 1950, THIS AREA WASSER PART OF A MUCH LARGER AREA OWNED BY A GROUP OF BLACK BUSINESSMAN. AND THE -- ONE OF THEM WORKED TO DEVELOP THIS AREA. THERE WAS A LARGE PLOT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. IT WAS OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. THERE WERE TUMBLEWEEDS AND CANS. THIS IS THE AREA FROM 1959. WHICH IS PART OF THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT WHICH WAS DONE BY -- INHERITED THE LAND. SHE GOT A DEVELOPER TO BUILD IT. AND IT IT WAS LARGELY FOR AFRICAN-AMERICAN FAMILIES BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T FIND PLACES TO BUY HOMES. AT THAT TIME THERE WERE 16 HOMES THAT WERE BUILT BY THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER. IF YOU CAN SEE THAT LITTLE PICTURE OVER THERE IT SHOWS THE HISTORIC AREA. IT'S QUITE EXTENSIVELY TO THE NORTH. BECAUSE OF FINANCIAL LIMITATIONS IT ONLY GOT AS FAR AS THESE HOUSES. OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS UP UNTIL THE EARLY 60s OTHER DEVELOPERS BUILT SOME OF THE OTHER LOTS. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS WHERE WE WERE -- WHERE WE ARE NOW. THESE ARE THE HOUSES THAT ARE DEMOLISHED. AND THE ONE WITH THE CIRCLE AROUND IT WAS THE LAST HOUSE THAT WAS DEMOLISHED ABOUT TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO. WE TRIED TO PREVENT THAT BUT IT DIDN'T. THE REASON WHY WE'RE WANTING TO GET THIS HBO DISTRICT IS WE WENT TO HOUSES IN THE 12 LOTS LEFT. THE IDEA IS WE WILL BE WORKING TO LET THE COMMUNITIES TO SEE WHAT ARE THINGS IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN AS WHAT THE DO WITH THEIR HOMES TO PUT RESTRICTIONS IN THE TERMS OF THE REVIEW FOR IN THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND IN THE HOPES IT WOULD BE ABLE TO PREVENT DEMOLITION. IT'S A VERY SMALL AREA. BUT IT IS SIGNIFICANT. IT'S A LITTLE PIECE OF ALBUQUERQUE HISTORY AND PART OF THE AMERICAN EXPERIENCE THAT IT'S NOT TO BE ABLE TO REMEMBER SOMETHING MORE THAN A FOOTNOTE IN THE BOOK. WE STILL HAVE THE COMMUNITY THERE THAT SUPPORTS THE PROPERTY OWNERS. THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF THIS. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE YOU GET A FEEL. THESE ARE THE HOUSES. THEY'RE SET UP LIKE LITTLE PUEBLOS. WE'RE NOT SAYING THE HOMES ARE HISTORIC MASTERPIECES. THAT'S NOT WHY WE'RE PROTECTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S THE HISTORY THAT SURROUNDED IT. WITH THAT, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS, OR IS THERE A MOTION FROM SOMEONE? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE A DO PASS ON O-P -- O-76. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND SECOND. DEBATE OR DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST THINK THIS IS AN AMAING OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY PAY HOMAGE TO THE OWNER OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN SUBURBS THAT I DIDN'T KNOW EXITED UNTIL THIS BILL CAME BEFORE ME. IT'S A COOL PART OF THE HISTORY. I WOULD HATE TO LOSE IT. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. 4. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: NEXT UP, THIS IS WHAT YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT. COMMUNITY SUB-R-100 IS APPROVING THE FUNDS AND PROJECTS FOR THE 2023 THROUGH -- INCLUING THE 2023 CAPITAL BUDGET. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND COUNCILOR BENTON IS IN THE MESSAGE THAT HE HAS A -- I WANT TO LET YOU PRESENT. DO YOU WANT TO PRESENT FIRST OR HEAR FROM COUNCILOR BENTON? >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HOPE AEFRN -- EVERYONE WAS LISTENING DURING OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING A PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAD A . >>COUN. BENTON: WE HAD A STATEMENT BY OUR FORMER CIP OFFICER BARBARA TAYLOR. WHO HAS PAPERED MORE THAN HER SHARE OF CAPITAL BUDGETS OVER THE YEARS. SHE SPOKE TO US ABOUT THE UNPRECEDENTED ACCELERATED PROCESS CONSIDERATION OF THE BUDGET. AND THAT RIGHT FROM THE START AT THE FIRST MEETING THERE WAS ABBREVIATED DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ET CETERA. AND IN FACT WE IMMEDIATELY DURING THAT MEETING WENT INTO AMENDMENTS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REFLECT UPON THAT, COUNCILORS. NEED TO REFLECT UPON WHERE WE ARE TODAY. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BUDGET. IT'S BEEN MOVING -- AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THIS DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN. IT'S BEEN MOVING VERY RAPIDLY AT THE END. THERE HASN'T BEEN MUCH ROOM FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE ORIGINAL BUDGET THAT IS AT HAND. I SUPPORT THE SUBSTITUTE HERE BEFORE US. EVEN WITH THAT, I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WHERE WE SIT. I THINK WE'VE GOT THE TIME. AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO TAKE THE TIME. TWO WEEKS. TO RECONSIDER WHERE WE ARE AND TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSIONS AMONG OURSELVES ABOUT WHAT EVERYONE NEEDS IN THEIR DISTRICT AND TO BE MORE DELIBERATE ABOUT THE BUDGET. MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE A TWO-WEEK DEFERRAL OF THIS BILL. >>COUN. JONES: I'LL SECOND THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCILOR BASSAN, I WANT TO LET YOU COME BACK TO THIS. I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT VERSIONS AND IDEAS OF HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. SOME FOLKS SUGGESTED IT'S LATE. BUT SEE WHERE YOU WANT TO GO. >>COUN. BASSAN: I KNOW COUNCILOR LEWIS WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING I WANT TO SAY I MET WITH ALL OF THE COUNCILORS EXCEPT FOR ONE. PREVIOUS, QUITE A BIT IN ADVANCE OF FIGUING OUT THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE AND TRIED TO WORK IN PRIORITIES. WE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS NOTIFYING PEOPLE SAYING THE COMMITTEE SUBWAS GOING TO HAPPEN. AT THE MEETING IN WHICH IT HAPPENED. I DON'T THINK I SURPRISED ANYBODY. PERHAPS MAYBE THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING AND PEOPLE DID NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT I SAID WHEN I MADE THAT STATEMENT. WITH THAT, I KNOW COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT ONE COUNCILOR WAS ME. I DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME TO DO IT. IT WAS MY SCHEDULE I IT WAS MY FAULT. I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD PROCESS. YOU HAVE GOOD BILL. I THINK THERE'S AMENDMENTS FLOATING BACK AND FORTH. I'M INCLINED TO CONTINUE THAT PROCESS BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE TIME. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON SAID WE SHOULD REFLECT ON THINGS. THERE'S OTHER THINGS WE SHOULD REFLECT ON TOO. THE COUNCIL, I BELIEVE, UNDER OUR POLICIES, THE CITY'S CODE, WE VOTE AND DO A FINAL VOTE ON THE FIRST MEETING IN APRIL WHICH IS RIGHT NOW. ON THIS BILL. WE GOT THIS INITIAL BILL FROM THE ADMINISTRATION 45 DAYS LATE. IN THE MEANTIME, WE DID HAVE SEVERAL MEETINGS, EXTENSIVE MEETINGS WHERE COUNCILORS HAD A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO INTRODUCE AMENDMENTS. I STILL CAN'T SAY THAT IN ANY WAY THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN RUSHED IN ANY WAY. I THINK THE SPONSOR, I THINK COUNCILOR BASSAN HAS WORKED PRETTY HARD TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAD INPUT. EVERYBODY HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. NOW, COUNCILOR DAVIS, MAYBE YOU DIDN'T TALK TO THE SPONSOR BEFORE TODAY, BUT I UNDERSTAND TODAY WAS THE FIRST CONVERSATION ABOUT IT AFTER A BUDGET NOOR -- FLOOR SUBSTITUTE PRESENTED ON FRIDAY WITH AMENDMENTS SUBMITTED BEFORE 5 O'CLOCK THAT LOOKDZ -- LOOKED THE SAME AS THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. THAT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO GET AROUND SOMETHING. WE SUBMIT THIS FRIDAY COMMITTEE SUSTITUTE AND IF THAT DOESN'T PASS WE HAVE THESE AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO GET IN BEFORE 5 O'CLOCK AND THEY'RE THE EXACT SAME THING. THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD REFLECT UPON. IF ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING FOR THE LAST MONTH, SEVERAL MONTHS, IF WE WERE TO VOTE ON SOMETHING TONIGHT WE REALLY SHOULD VOTE ON THAT. WE SHOULD LET THAT BE THE BASIS FOR WHAT WE VOTE ON. AND THEN THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BEFORE 5 O'CLOCK SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. BUT, YOU KNOW, MOVING A FLOOR SUBAND MAYBE THAT DOESN'T PASS AND THEN WE HAVE TO GET AN AMENDMENT THAT DOES THE SAME THING THE FLOOR SUBDOES, WHICH REALLY SHOULD BE A SUB, IT SHOULDN'T BE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT AS AN AMENDMENT BECAUSE IT DRASTICALLY CHANGES THE BILL SO MUCH. THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD REFLECT ON TONIGHT. IT'S LATE. YOU KNOW, 20 MINUTES, I'M NOT SURE IF WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING TONIGHT. MAYBE, YOU KNOW, I'D RATHER NOT DEFER IT, BUT IF WE DO DEFER, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD ALL CONSIDER THAT WE ALL PLAY A ROLE IN THIS. WE ALL SHOULD SIT DOWN AND CONSIDER AND IN A TRANSPARENT WAY PUT THE PROPOSALS FORWARD WE WANT AND MAKE SURE THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO DISCUSS IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I DON'T SUPPORT THE DEFERRAL. I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. MELENDREZ, BECAUSE I THINK THIS WAS USED WHEN I WAS THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE CHAIR ALSO. THAT THE PROCESS WAS RUSHED MY IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN WE SET THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS WE HAVE THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND USUALLY WHAT'S HAPPENED DURING THE COMMITTEE MEETING IS WE DON'T NECESSARILY PASS AMENDMENTS. WHAT WE DO IS GET ONE REPORT OUT FROM HALF THE DEPARTMENT AND THE NEXT MEETING WE GET OUT FOR THE OTHER HALF OF THE DEPARTMENTS. AND THEN IN THE INTERIM, WE MEET WITH THE COUNCILORS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THEIR ITEMS ARE AND THEN FOR ME THE ONLY THING THAT WE DID OUTSIDE OF THE PROCESS WAS THAT WE COMBINED THE MEETING WHICH WAS NOTIFIED THAT WE WERE GOING TO COMBINE THE MEETING AND HAVE THAT SECOND COMMITTEE MEETING BUT TYPICALLY, AND COUNCILOR BASSAN NOTIFIED EVERYONE THEY SHOULD SUBMIT THEIR AMENDMENTS AT THE TIME IF THEY HAD ANY, AND IF THEY CHOSE TO. BUT IF NOT, THE OPPORTUNITY WOULD ARISE OBVIOUSLY AS IT HAS THIS EVENING. MR. MELENDREZ, CAN YOU PLEASE JUST OUTLINE THE PROCESS FOR US AND WHAT HISTORICALLY HAS HAPPENED? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL, THE CIP COMES TWICE EVERY TWO YEARS. CONSISTING WITH THE PASS WE RESERVE TWO DATE FOR THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETINGS. THE PRODUCT OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE SHOULD BE A COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE THAT GENERALLY REFLECTS WHAT THE COUNCIL WILL ACCEPT WITH RESPECT TO THE CIP BILL. SOMETIMES THOSE MEETINGS ARE USED AND THIS YEAR IT WAS NOT. IT WAS THE PRODUCT WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL AT THE FIRST MEETING. SO, BECAUSE OF THAT, THE COUNCIL BY APPROVING THAT DID NOT NEED THE SECOND MEETING. THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DEPARTURE BY HAVING THE ONE COW MEETING THIS YEAR. BEYOND THAT THE PROCESS HAS BEEN THE SAME. AS REFERENCED BY COUNCILOR LEWIS, THE CIP BILL DID COME DOWN LATE. I THINK I RATTLED OFF ABOUT 45 DAYS EARLIER. BUT IT WAS CLOSER TO 20 DAYS LATE. BUT IT DID RESULT IN A ONE-MONTH DELAY OF THE INTRODUCTION TO GET TO THE COUNCIL. >>COUN. PEÑA: ANOTHER QUESTION. SINCE THE COMMITTEE SUBWAS PASSED IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING THAT WE DIDN'T NEED THE SECOND MEETING DOES THAT MEAN THERE'S OPPORTUNITY IN TIME AND IT WASN'T IF YOU WILL RUSHED AND ACCELERATED PROCESS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD MORE TIME THIS TIME TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE COMMITTEE SUB? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, I THINK TO BE FAIR I THINK THERE'S TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT THAT. ON THE ONE HAND YOU HAD MORE TIME, AND ON THE OTHER HAND YOU HAD LESS TIME TO DELIBERATE. ONCE YOU GET OUT OF COMMITTEE YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REDO THE SUB, AND COUNCIL IT'S LARGELY AMENDMENTS. YES, YOU DID HAVE MORE TIME TO REVIEW THE SUB AFTER THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, BUT YOU HAD LESS TIME TO DELIBERATE SINCE YOU DINT HAVE THE TEN DAYS BETWEEN THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETINGS. >>COUN. PEÑA: TYPICALLY, DURING THOSE TWO MEET COMMITTEEINGS WE DON'T NECESSARILY PASS AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: BACK TO COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, I DON'T SUPPORT THE DEFERRAL. WE'VE GOT ANOTHER 20 MINUTE. WE OFTEN EXTEND THIS MEETING TO MIDNIGHT IF WE NEED TO. WE TOOK MANY HOURS TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS. PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS EQUALLY IMPORTANT OR MORE. AND OUR RULES AND SAY THAT WE NEED TO DECIDE ON THIS FIRST WEEK OF APRIL. SO, I THINK WE GOT THE TIME TO DO IT. I THINK WE SHOULD WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS TONIGHT OR GET AS FAR AS WE CAN GO. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN, AND I'LL HAVE A COMMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT. WHILE SOME PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT I RUSHED THE PROCESS, AND THAT THE COMMITTEE SUBCAME OUT FAST OR THERE'S WHATEVER COMMENTS ALONG THOSE LINES, MAYBE NOT VERBATIM. I THINK IT CAN BE ARGUED THE OTHER WAY AROUND. THE FLOOR SUB IS BEING RUSHED. THE BIG AMENDMENT IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED. I DON'T SUPPORT A DEFERRAL. I'M WILLING TO STICK IT OUT TONIGHT. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET ME ADD MY COMMENT. I UNDERSTAND AND I AGREE. I DON'T HAVE A ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THAT'S THE CHAIR'S PEFERANCE ON HOW TO MANAGE THE PROCESS. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE. I DO THINK AS WE'VE TAKEN THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS COUNCILORS HAVE SUGGESTED DIFFERENT IDEAS AS LATE AS 4:30 THIS AFTERNOON AND THINGS WERE STILL COMING IN AND DATA WAS STILL BEING PULLED AND ADDING AND SUBTRACTING. I THINK THERE'S STILL WORK TO BE DONE. AND THERE'S INTERESTING IN WORK ING ON PROJECTS WITHOUT REVIEWING THE WHOLE SHOW AND DRAGGING THIS OUT, I THINK THERE'S TRANSIT PROJECTS THE ADMINISTRATION WORKED REALLY HARD AND FOUND OTHER SOURCES TO EXPEDITE THOSE PRIORITIES QUICKLY THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO THE COMMUNITY EARLIER. I THINK THERE'S PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECTS NOT CONSIDERED OR INCLUDED EARLY ON THAT CAN BE INCLUDED BUT MIGHT NEED DISCUSSION. WHAT I FEEL IS THAT EVERYONE NOW HAS THEIR AMENDMENTS AND THEIR IDEAS OUT WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. AND THAT THERE APPEARS TO BE ENOUGH MONEY TO ACCOMPLISH THE CITY-WIDE PRIORITIES AND COUNCIL PRIORITIES AND I THINK THAT IS THE BETTER GOAL TO BE SURE WE DO THAT WELL. I'D LIKE TO SEE US HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. WE DID GET THE BILL LATE. WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH BOND COUNCIL WHO SEEMS TO NOT HAVE A BIG ISSUE WITH US DOING THIS ONE MORE MEETING AS LONG AS WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS. I THINK THAT TO ME SEEMS TO BE THE BETTER OPTION. TO SURE EVERYBODY GETS TO PARTICIPATE. THAT THE CHAIR GETS THE BILL SHE DESIRES. WE HAVE A FLOOR SUBSTITUTE FOLKS WERE WORKING ON TRYING TO INCORPORATE THOSE IDEA AND SOME FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THE STACK OF AMENDMENTS INSTEAD OF THE FLOOR SUB TONIGHT. WE DON'T DO OUR BEST WORK AT 11 O'CLOCK EVER. WE ALWAYS COME BACK AND HAVE TO REDO IT BECAUSE WE MISS SOMETHING AND THE MATH DIDN'T WORK WELL. I WOULD RATHER DO IT WELL, MORE TRANSPARENT WITH MORE INPUT FROM EVERYBODY AND CONTINUE THE EXCELLENT PROCESS. I SUPPORT THE DEFERRAL SO WE HAVE TIME TO CONTINUE AND CERTAINLY NOT LOING ANYTHING THAT -- THE ELECTION IS NOT UNTIL NOVEMBER. WE'RE FINE. FOR FOLKS THINKING THEY MAY NOT HAVE HAD A CHANCE OR WANT MORE DETAILS. I'LL SUPPORT THE DEFERRAL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE DEFERRAL? IF WE DON'T DOIT WE'RE STILL BE FOREVER. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. JUST A COMMENT ABOUT AMENDMENT GOING IN AT THE LAST MINUTE. THAT'S HAPPENING ALL THE TIME. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANKS. COUNCILOR BENTON, YOUR MOTION ON DEFERRAL WAS YOURS, COUP -- DO YOU WANT TO CLOSE? I THINK YOU'RE MUTED. IT'S ALSO PAST MIDNIGHT WHERE YOU ARE. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET ME SAY IF WE'RE DOING ALL THESE AMENDMENTS TONIGHT I'M WORRIED ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK. WE HAVE TWO COUNCILORS REMOTE FOLLOWING ALONG. I'D LOVE TO HAVE THEM HERE. A BETTER PROCESS IN MY OPINION. COUNCILOR BENTON, GO AHEAD. >>COUN. BENTON: BUT, YEAH, I DIDN'T MEAN TO IMPUGN THAT THE CHAIR OF COW AT ALL, I'M JUST POINTING OUT SOMETHING THAT WAS POINTED OUT TO US BY SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS. AND I THINK MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN THAT IS THAT YEAH, WE'RE -- IT IS 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT WHERE EVERYONE IS. AND WHERE WE SIT RIGHT NOW, I THINK OUR PRESIDENT JUST SAID, IT'S VERY CLOSE TO GETTING WHAT EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO ACHIEVE FOR THEIR OWN DISTRICT AND FOR THEIR VISION OF THE BETTERMENT OF THE CITY FROM THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE STANDPOINT. AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE CAN DO BETTER THAN WHERE WE SIT RIGHT NOW. PERHAPS IF EITHER THE EXISTING COMMUNITYDYING THE EXISTING COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE OR FLOOR SUBSTITUTE THAT SEEMS TO BE SOME ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT. IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TWEAK THIS SOME MORE, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE MILES AHEAD. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT ON THE DEFERRAL. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT BEING THE CLOSE. I THINK -- >>COUN. JONES: MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'M SORRY. WE DON'T HAVE A RAISE HAND SIGNAL ANYMORE. IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT. I'M UNCOMFORTABLE DOING THIS AT THIS HOUR. PEOPLE LIKE TO WATCH AND SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING. I LIKE TO WATCH AND SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING. I DON'T WANT TO SIT HER AND GO TO SLEEP. IT'S LATE. I'VE HAD A LOT OF WORK. WE WILL DO A BETTER JOB, IN MY OPINION, IF WE GET BACK TO IT AT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN AT OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED AND GET THIS OVER WITH. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE HOLDING MEETINGS AT A QUARTER TO 11 AT NIGHT. I WILL VOTE TO DEFER. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. THE QUESTION IS IF -DFERRAL FOR TWO WEEKS. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: NO. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT FAILS ON A 3-6 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE ARE BACK ON THE BILL. THE COMMITTEE SUBFOR O-100. MADAM CHAIR. >>COUN. BASSAN: I DON'T THINK IT WAS 3-6. I THINK IT FAILED. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK IT WAS 4-5. >> THE CORRECTION WAS IT FAILED BY 4-5. >>COUN. DAVIS: IT FAILED, THAT'S THE BIG PART. COUNCILOR BASSAN, DO YOU WANT TO PRESENT YOUR BILL? >>COUN. BASSAN: I KIND OF STARTED TO SAY, LIKE I MEAN, I THINK I CAME UP WITH A PRETTY GOOD COMMITTEE SUB. I FEEL CONFIDENT WITH IT. I KNEW GOING INTO IT THERE WOULD BE SOME AMENDMENTS THAT WOULD HAPPEN. I KNEW THAT I COULDN'T MAKE EVERYONE'S DREAMS AND WISHES COME TRUE. I WASN'T IN DENIAL ABOUT EXPECTING ANY KIND OF AMENDMENTS. I AM DON'TED TO SEE THERE'S A FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT IT UNTIL TODAY. WHERE SPENT ALL WEEKEND TRYING TO WORK THROUGH IT. I TRIED TO MAKE PEACE WITH IT, BUT I FEEL GOOD WITH MY COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE. WITH THAT, I KNOW WE HAVE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. WE HAVE AMENDMENTS. I WILL LET YOU LEAD THE WAY, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S DO THIS FIRST. LET'S DO ONE MORE MOTION TO SUSPEND BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE TEN MINUTE AND WE AREN'T GETTING THROUGH THIS. HOW ABOUT WE DO A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND EXTEND UNTIL 11:30? >>COUN. LEWIS: I SUGGEST MIDNIGHT. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION UNTIL MIDNIGHT. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: NO. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON A 7-2 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANKS. WE'RE GOING TO BE BACK ON THE BILL. LET'S GET THE ELEPHANT OUT OF THE ROOM. COUNCILOR BASSAN AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS EARIER TODAY, I THINK WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO IS TAKE -- I DON'T HAVE THE AMENDMENT LIST. THE BIG AMENDMENT THAT HAS ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT MORE OR LESS WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE FLOOR SUB WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THESE AS AMENDMENTS INSTEAD OF A FLOOR SUB. I'M GOING TO LET THE STAFF PULL THAT UP. I SEE SHE'S GOT IT FOR US. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS -- HOW MANY AMENDMENTS? >>COUN. DAVIS: A THROUGH P. >>COUN. LEWIS: THIS IS FROM YOUR FLOOR SUB? >>COUN. DAVIS: NO, IT'S ALL OF THE POSSIBLE ONES. >>COUN. LEWIS: THE ONES HERE BEFORE 5 O'CLOCK? >>COUN. DAVIS: WE DISCUSSED AND TALK TO STAFF. IT'S A LITTLE OUT OF ORD. SINCE THERE'S ONE AMENDMENT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE -- IT HAS A NUMBER OF BIG PIECES. SOME OF THEM ARE IN THE FLOOR SUB. WE'RE GOING TO TRY THAT AND AMEND IT. BECAUSE IF WE PASS ALL THE INDIVIDUAL AMENDMENTS AND COME TO THE VERY END AND HAVE ONE THAT HAS 13 OR 14 THINGS IT'S GOING TO SCREW ALL THE MATH UP. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO BIG ONE. LET'S TRY TO WORK THROUGH THAT ONE. IF THAT DOESN'T WORK WE'LL GO LINE BY LINE. >>COUN. LEWIS: HERE'S MY QUESTION. THAT FLOOR SUB SENT OUR STAFF SCRAMBLING ALL WEEKEND AND TODAY. TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW ALL THOSE OTHER AMENDMENTS WOULD FIT TOWARD THAT. SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE THAT FLOOR SUB, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE THE FLOOR SUB, BUT YOU ARE GOING TO MOVE AN AMENDMENT THAT IS SIMILAR TO THAT FLOOR SUB, AGAIN, I THINK WE'RE ADMITTED IT'S A WORK AROUND. IT REALLY SHOULD BE A FLOOR SUB, SHOULDN'T IT? IT'S A MASSIVE AMENDMENT. I GUESS I WOULD ASK STAFF. MR. MELENDREZ, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF YOU WANT TO MOVE THAT AMENDMENT, YOU SHOULD DO A SUSPENSION OF THE RULES BECAUSE IT REALLY IS A COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE. AND IF IT -- WHY WOULDN'T YOU MOVE IT AS A COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE? >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK IT'S THE RULES PROVIDE TWO DIFFERENT ROUTES TO GET EITHER BY AMENDMENT OR COMMITTEE SUB AND THE COUNCIL AS THE OPTION TO APPROVE OR DENY. THAT'S THE RULE, THAT'S THE PROCESS. WE'VE DONE THESE COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENTS BEFORE. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHY WON'T YOU MOVE IT AS A COMMITTEE SUB? IT'S A BIG AMENDMENT WITH A LOT OF CHANGES. I ARGUE IF IT WAS JUST AN AMENDMENT IT REALLY SHOULDN'T BOW AN AMENDMENT. YOU NEED -- IF THE -- THE REASON WHY IS IF WE APPROVE THAT AMENDMENT TONIGHT, THEN THERE'S MANY OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT NOW WE HAVE TO AFTER FIVE O'CLOCK WE HAVE TO INTRODUCE MORE AMENDMENTS TO BE ABLE TO MIX -- MAKE IT WORK. IT'S SUCH A BIG CHANGE. I SUGGEST TO YOU, TO MOVE THE COMMITTEE SUB, IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT. OR DON'T MOVE ANY OF THEM. >>COUN. DAVIS: YOUR ADVICE IS TAKEN. IT'S THE SPONSOR'S CHOICE. WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A PROCESS THAT GIVES THE MOST TRANSPARENCY TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ALL THE MATH. >>COUN. LEWIS: THE COMMITTEE SUB -- >>COUN. DAVIS: I WAS SPEAKING. I WASN'T DONE. HERE'S OUR PROCESS. I INTEND TO CALL AMENDMENT M. WHICH I DISCUSSED WITH THE COW CHAIR THIS AFTERNOON AS THE FIRST PLACE TO GET STARTED. WE'RE GOING TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT. DO M, IF IT PASSES OR HOWEVER IT'S AMENDED BY THE COUNCIL, WE HAVE A PACKET OF AMENDMENTS. IF WE GET TO THE END AND PEOPLE HAVE OTHER AMENDMENTS THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADD WITH WHATEVER THAT FRANKENSTEIN VERSION IS, WE HAVE THE OPTION TO DEFER FOR TWO WEEKS TO BRING MORE AMENDMENTS. I THINK IT'S THE SPONSOR'S OPTION. I'M LAYING OUT OUR INTENT. COUNCILOR LEWIS, I'LL GO TO YOU, AND I HAVE TWO PUBLIC COMMENTERS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, THE FIRST AMENDMENT THAT YOU WANT TO MOVE IS REALLY THE COMMITTEE'S SUB. IT NEEDS A SUSPENSION OF THE RULES. I'M GOING TO ASK THAT -- IN ORDER FOR US TO ACCEPT THIS AMENDMENT WHICH IS EXACTLY LIKE THE COMMITTEE SUB, WHICH REQUIRES A SUSPENSION OF THE RULES, THAT WE WOULD CALL FOR A SUSPENSION OF THE RULES AND MOVE THE SUSPENSION OF THE RULES IN ORDER TO ACCEPT THE AMENDMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT NOT THE DECISION OF THE CHAIR. COUNCILOR PEÑA ON PROCESS. WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND COME BACK. >>COUN. PEÑA: I WAS RAISING MY HAND. I DON'T KNOW IF COUNCILOR LEWIS WAS DONE. >>COUN. LEWIS: I JUST WANT TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. MR. MELENDREZ, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COMMITTEE SUBTHAT'S IN THE PACKET SINCE FRIDAY THAT APPARENTLY THE SPONSORS AREN'T GOING TO MOVE AND WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE EXACT SAME THING IN AN AMENDMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED AT 5 O'CLOCK. ONE REQUIRES A SUSPENSION OF THE RULES AND THE OTHER ONE DOESN'T. OR DOES IT? BECAUSE ALSO IT CHANGES THE BILL SO MUCH. USUALLY WEB -- WHEN WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT THAT CHANGES THE BILL SO MUCH, WE WOULD -- IT WOULD EITHER REQUIRE A DEFERRAL OR IT WOULD REQUIRE THAT THERE'S A SUSPENSION OF THE RULES SO TO BE SUBMITTED. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S LET YOU RESPOND TO THAT REALLY QUICKLY. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, SO TO START AT THE BEGINNING. THE COUNCIL GETS BILLS BEFORE IT AND IT HAS THE PREROGATIVE AT ITS MEETING TO AMEND OR SUBSTITUTE THE BILLS. SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE CITY COUNCIL PUT A RULE OF PROCEDURE IN PLACE THAT SAID IF YOU MOVE A FLOOR SUBSTITUTE BILL THAT YOU CANNOT VOTE FOR FINAL ACTION AT THE SAME MEETING. THE FLOOR SUB IF THE FLOOR SUB WAS SUBMITTED TONIGHT IT WOULD REQUIRE A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE IN ORDER TO GET FINAL ACTION ON THE FLOOR SUB TONIGHT. HOWEVER, THERE'S NO VOTING STANDARD FOR AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE A HEIGHTENED VOTING STANDARD ABSENT THAT ASSIGNED THAT VOTING STANDARD. WE'VE BEEN IN THIS MURKY AREA BEFORE. WE'VE TRIED AS STAFF AND CONJUNCTION WITH CITY LEGAL TO TRY TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE -- IS THERE A LEGAL DISTINCTION A FLOOR SUBAND AMENDMENT. WE THINK WE WRITTEN DOWN A FEW RABBIT HOLES AND WEREN'T ABLE TO COME UP WITH A WORKABLE RULE ON WHERE THAT DISTINCTION LIES. WHERE WE SIT TODAY,THERE IS NO WRITTEN DISTINCTION AS TO X IS A FLOOR SUBSTITUTE AND Y IS A FLOOR AMENDMENT. THE WAY I ADVISED ON THIS IN THE PAST IS YOU HAVE YOUR VOTE AND YOU HAVE A -- YOU CAN EXERCISE THAT VOTE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. NIC -- INCLUING IF YOU BELIEVE AN AMENDMENT IS IMPROPERLY BEFORE YOU BECAUSE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED, SIMPLY VOTE AGAINST THE AMENDMENT. THERE IS NO RULE THAT IS IN PLACE THAT WOULD PREVENT THAT AMENDMENT FROM BEING PUT FORWARD. >>COUN. LEWIS: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE DISTINCTION. IF IT'S MURKY ON THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN AN AMENDMENT AND COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE, WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC DISTINCTION BETWEEN THIS COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE AND THIS AMENDMENT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, ALL REVIEW OF THE AMENDMENT AND BASED ON THE INFORMATION PROVIDED TO STAFF IS THAT THE AMENDMENT M IS EFFECTIVELY ACCOMPLISHING THE SAME SUBSITANTIVE OUTCOME AS A SUBSTITUTE WOULD HAVE. >>COUN. LEWIS: THE EXACT SAME THING. I'M SURE OUR STAFF RECOMMENDED TO THE SPONSORS THIS IS A COMMITTEE SUB. A WAY TO GET AROUND IT WOULD BE TO SUBMIT IT AS AN AMENDMENT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO A COMMITTEE SUBAND DO A SUSPENSION OF THE RULES. >>COUN. DAVIS: OKAY. >>COUN. LEWIS: HONESTLY, MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE THE SUB. I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THE SUB. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION TO MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE. IS THERE A SECOND? GREAT. WE HAVE MOTION AND A SECOND. I DON'T WANT TO BE A SPONSOR. HOW DO WE CHANGE SPONSORS ON THIS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, SIMPLY NOTING YOUR WITHDRAW AS SPONSOR. WE CAN'T CHANGE IT ON THE PAPER, AS IT'S MEMORIALIZED IN THE RECORD YOU'LL BE REMOVED. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, I THINK THE DISTINCTION IS THAT WE HEARD FROM COUNCILORS THEY PREFER TO WORK THROUGH AMENDMENTS. SO WE CHOSE NOT TO INTRODUCE THE COMMITTEE SUB. AND THOSE TO WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS THE COUNCILORS ASKED FOR. SO THERE WOULD BE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE. I DO NOT WISH TO PURSUE THE COMMITTEE SUBPROCESS. I WISH TO PURSUE THE AMENDMENT PROS. I WILL WITHDRAW MYSELF AS SPONSOR IF COUNCILOR LEWIS WOULD LIKE TO INSERT HIMSELF AS THE SPONSOR OF THE COMMITTEE SUBHE'S PROPOING TO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: HERE'S THE PROBLEM, IF YOU MOVE THIS AS AN AMENDMENT, NONE OF US HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO -- 5 O'CLOCK YOU PUT THE AMENDMENT IN PLACE. >>COUN. DAVIS: NO, SIR. >>COUN. LEWIS: PUBLICLY. RIGHT? >>COUN. DAVIS: I TALKED TO YOU AT 4 O'CLOCK AND SAID YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT SINCE LAST WEEK. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT WASN'T AN AMENDMENT. THE PUBLIC ONLY KNEW THAT AT 5 O'CLOCK. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE THIS ARGUMENT. I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. >>COUN. LEWIS: HIGHER'S THE POSITION IT PUTS IN. 5 O'CLOCK IS THEM. AND WE MOVE THE AMENDMENT NOT THE COMMITTEE SUB, AFTER THE FACT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT THAT MASSIVE AMENDMENT DOES AND WHAT OTHER AMENDMENTS WE CAN NOW INTRODUCE THAT WOULD BE ILLEGAL ACCORD TO THE RULES BECAUSE IT'S AFTER 5 O'CLOCK. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR, YOU'VE MADE A MOTION, THERE'S A SECOND. I'VE WITHDRAWN. DO YOU WANT TO ADD ON AS A SPONSOR FOR THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE YOU PROPOSED? COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. YOU TALKED ABOUT GOING DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE. IT FEELS LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IN YOUR RULES TO SAY A COMMITTEE SUB AND AN AMENDMENT, AND IT IS ERODES AT THE SPIRIT OF THE INTENT OF THAT IS TO DO. WHEN YOU PUT AN AMENDMENT THAT HAS ALL THESE -- BECAUSE THEN WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS THEN PUT AN AMENDMENT AND EVERY TIME WE DO THIS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A THROUGH G AND PUT IT IN AS ONE FULL AMENDMENT. WHAT HAPPENED IS THE REASON WE DO THE INDIVIDUAL AMENDMENTS IS BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS WITHIN THE AMENDMENT OR THE FLOOR SUB SAYING YOU'RE WANTING TO ADOPT THE FLOOR SUBIN TOTALITY. WITH AMENDMENTS IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO ALL DECIDE AS NINE INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS TO BE ABLE TO DECIDE ON EACH MOTION WHETHER WE WANT IT OR NOT. SO WHEN THERE'S AN AMENDMENT THAT HAS TONS OF AMENDMENTS IN THERE, I JUST DON'T THINK IT DOES ANYONE JUSTICE. ANY DISTRICT. I WOULD PREFER THAT WE DO IT AMENDMENT BY AMENDMENT AND THEN GO FROM THERE. AND IT'S JUST -- READING THROUGH THIS THING, THIS AMENDMENT THAT'S ACTUALLY A FLOOR SUB ONCE WE GO THROUGH THE FIRST AMENDMENT, IT ERASES SOME OF WHAT'S IN THE LARGE AMENDMENT. SO WHY ARE WE DOING THAT EXERCISE? I THINK THAT'S MISLEADING. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. I APPRECIATE IT. LET ME RESPOND. I THINK WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. I WANT THE FOLKS TO HANG ON. LET ME REMIND US. SOME COUNCILORS HAVE SUGGESTED, COUNCILOR PEÑA I HEARD YOU SUGGEST AT LOUD AT SOME POINT THAT THINGS LIKE COMMITTEE SUB TAKEN MONEY OUT OF ALBUQUERQUE MUSICM PROJECT. ABSENT THIS AMENDMENT M, THERE IS NO VEHICLE ON THE DAYS TO DO THAT. IS THERE ANOTHER AMENDMENT IN THERE FOR THAT? OKAY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: JIRBGS IS . >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: J DOES NOT GET US TO THE SAME PLACE AS M DOES. I WANT TO SAY, I THINK EVERYBODY THAT I SPOKE TO ON COUNCIL WAS PRETTY CLEAR THAT THEY WANTED TO GET AS MUCH MONEY BACK INTO THE ALBUQUERQUE MUSEUM AS POSSIBLE. AND THAT IS THROUGH M. EVERYONE I SPOKEN TO WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE MET OUR GOAL OF GETTING TO $10 MILLION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS ONLY AVAILABLE IN M. THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER ONES LIKE THAT I CAN GO ON ABOUT. MY POINT IS WE HAVE AGREEMENT ON THESE THINGS. WE HAVE AGREEMENT THAT ALBUQUERQUE MUSEUM NEEDS TO BE FUNDED TO THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT POSSIBLE. WE HAVE AGREEMENT THAT WE WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO BE AT LEAST TO THE $10 MILLION WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THE ORIGINAL BILL THOSE CHANGES ARE ONLY AVAILABLE IN AMENDMENT M THAT IS AVAILABLE IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. I WANT TO GO -- COUNCILOR PEÑA THEN COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. PEÑA: JUST TO RESPOND TO THAT, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. THAT'S WHY THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN AMENDMENTS. THAT'S WHY THEY SHOULD HAVE ALL BEEN AMENDMENTS AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THOSE AMENDMENTS AND WHOEVER DIDN'T, DIDN'T. NOW WE'RE HAVING TO DIGEST THIS SERIES OF AMENDMENTS THAT I CAN AGREE WITH MANY OF THEM, BUT I CANNOT AGREE WITH ALL OF THEM. WE'RE PUT IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO DO THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT IS FAIR TO THIS BODY TO DO THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT MAKES SENSE. I'LL GO TO COUNCILOR BENTON AND SAY MAYBE THIS GETS BACK TO THE DEFERRAL. I THINK THERE'S AGREEMENT ON WHAT WE TRY ACCOMPLISH. IF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE EITHER OF THE PROCESSES AVAILABLE TONIGHT, WE HAVE AN ESCAPE VALVE THAT ALLOWS TO GO BACK AND REWRITE EACH ONE AS AN AN AMENDMENT AND LET FOLKS OTHERS WORK ON THAT. EVERYBODY MADE THEIR POINT EXCEPT COUNCILOR BENTON WHO WAITED PATIENTLY AND WHOEVER IS IN PUBLIC COMMENT. COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: YEAH. I MEAN I DON'T HAVE ANY BRILLIANT POINT. I FIND THIS DEBATE RATHER FRUSTRATING. BECAUSE IT'S NOT ABOUT WHAT WE PREFER TO HAVE HAPPENED OR WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO BE OR THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN. IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT. IT'S WHAT IS ALLOWABLE ACCORDING TO OUR RULES. AND WE CAN SUSPENED OUR RULES BUT WE CAN'T REWRITE THEM ON THE FLY TONIGHT. AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON I FELT LIKE WE NEEDED A DEFERRAL. I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WHERE WE STAND RIGHT NOW. THERE'S A PATH THROUGH THIS LARGE AMENDMENT WHICH IS NOT A FLOOR SUB , AND I DID NOT RAISE A POINT OF ORDER ON THAT YET. BUT I WILL, IF NECESSARY. THAT IS NOT A FLOOR SUB, IT I AN AMENDMENT. IT WAS PUT IN APPROPRIATELY AND AVAILABLE ON THE DI DAY DAIS. -- THIS IS WHERE WE SIT. I REALLY AGREE WITH SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT THERE ARE GOOD THINGS IN ALL THESE AMENDMENTS. IN FACT, THIS IS NOT A SINGLE FLOOR SUBBECAUSE THERE'S MULTIPLE FLOOR AND I SUPPORT MANY OF THEM. SUB MOST OF THEM. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I SUPPORT. I THINK WHAT SEEMS CLEAR TO ME IS WE'RE AT AN IMPASS. WE NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON FOR PROPOING A DEFERRAL. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S TAKE A BREATH. HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE IF SIGHT FOR US. >> OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS CARRY FOLLOWED BY ANDREA. >> I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE MUSEUM BOARD. OUR BOARD MEMBERS AND OTHER MUSEUM REPRESENTATIVES HERE TONIGHT AS WELL. THE FOUNDATIONS SOLE PURPOSE IS TO RAISE FUND FOR THE ALBUQUERQUE MUSEUM. IT RECEIVES OVER 100,000 VISITORS. FREE ADMISSION AND BUS TRANSPORTATION PROVIDE TODAY THE FOUNDATION DONOR. IN ADDITION TO BEING A WIFE, MOM AND COMMUNITY VOLUNTEER I HAVE BEEN A LIBRARIAN IN APS FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS. THE MUSEUM FOUNDATION HAS CONCERNS BUT THE LATEST GO BOND PLAN AS JUST PRETTY PICTURES. THE PROPOSED BUDGETS ELIMINATED 80% OF THE CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDING INCLUING ELIMINATING EDUCATION TO EXPANSION WHICH WE HEARD FROM A PREVIOUS SPEAKER. SIGNAGE, LIGHTING AND IMPROVERED COLLECTION STORAGE FACILITY AND THE PROCESS. THESE HAVE BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR YEARS AND DECADES. AND ALLOWS THE MUSEUM TO GROW AND OPERATE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. NEARLY$3 MILLION IN NON-CITY FUNDING HAS BEEN RAISED THROUGH THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH MONEY RAISED THROUGH THE DONORS. WE THINK MORE IS POSSIBLE BUT FUNDING MUST BE REINSTATED FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. THE MUSEUM FOUNDATION KNOWS THE COUNCILORS VALUE THE IMPORTANT RULE THE ALBUQUERQUE MUSEUM PLAY INTERESTS THE CITIZENS. WE APPRECIATE THE WILLINGNESS TO RESTORE CRITICAL FUNDING FOR THE MUSEUM. WE HOPE YOU ACCEPT THE INVITATION TO VISIT AT TO A FUTURE DATE AND SEE THE CITY'S RESOURCES BEING PUT TO A VERY GOOD USE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: >> A >> ANDREA. >>COUN. DAVIS: WELCOME BACK. YOU STUCK IT OUT. >> SO, I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE ADMINISTRATION, EVERYONE AT THE CITY FOR MAKING IT CLOSE TO THE FINISH LINE IN THE CIP BUDGET CIRCLE. I THINK IT'S QUITE A BIT OF PROCESS. IT REQUIRES LOT OF WORK FROM THE COUNCILORS AND STAFF. AND ALL THE STAFF THERE TO SUPPORT EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT OF PROCESS. I'M HERE TO URGE YOU TO CONSIDER A SPEND ANALYSIS. OVER TIME, THAT EVALUATES PER CAPITA ALLOCATION USE. SUCH AS ZIP CODE, COMMUNITY PLANNING AREA, ASSESSMENT AREA. CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT LEVEL AND HAS ACCESS CHARACTERISTICS. AS WELL AS OTHER ELEMENTS TO MARKET RATE IMPROVEMENTS OR STABILITY. EVALUATING THE CIP FOR AREA AND PERNT GROWTH AND PUBLISHING THE FINDING IN A DIGESTIBLE WAY FOR THE RESIDENTS OF ALBUQUERQUE TO UNDERSTAND THE CITY'S INVESTMENTS. I THINK IT'S POFRNT TO ALSO NOTE THAT NOT ALL -- THERE'S GEOGRAPHY THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED THIS OVER GENERATIONS AND STARTING AT A DIFFERENT BASELINE. DUE TO THE PLANS GOALS THAT EXIST ACROSS THE CITY I ALSO SUGGEST STANDARDIZATION IF POSSIBLE FOR AN ANALYSIS WHICH INCLUDES BUT NOT LIMITED TO PER CAPITA ANALYSIS DISTINCTION MAPPABLE AND UNMAPPABLE PLACES AND OUTCOMES. MANY OF THE STANDARDS HAVE BEEN SHARED BY OTHER CITIES ENGAGED IN THE MEMBERSHIP. I HAVE ONE MORE THOUGHT, IS THAT OKAY? I ALSO MENTION OTHER INVESTMENTS CAN BE EVALUATED IN A DIFFERENT WAYS. CONTRACTUAL INVESTMENTS THROUGH CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS ALLOCATION PROGRAMS AND PROCEDURAL ACCESS AND REPRESENTATIONS AS THE HISTORIC -- ALSO WANT TO MENTION INTEREST OF THE PROJECTS IN PARTICULAR THOSE THAT ARE RELOTTED TO HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS AND SUSTAINABILITY THAT ARE OF INTEREST TO NATIONAL FUNDERS SUCH AS THE ONES I WORK THROUGH THE OPPORTUNITIES. THE OPPORTUNITIES -- IF YOU LISTENED TO MY COMMENT I MENTIONED WE HAVE FIVE CITIES WORKING WITH. SAN ANTONIO, OAKLAND AND TULSA AND ALBUQUERQUE. SAN ANTONIO AND MEMPHIS AND OAKLAND RECEIVED A 0$50 MILLION INVESTMENT WITH 100% REQUIRED LOCAL MATCH OF NON-PUBLIC DOLLARS WHICH MEANS SPENDERS LIKE THE PARTNERS KELLOGG AND QC AND ET CETERA WATCH INVESTMENTS IN ALBUQUERQUE NOT ALIGNED WITH JUSTICE 40 AND THE ENTIRE TOWARD INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEY'RE NOT MOVING IN A WAY THAT ARE STRATEGIC AND CONSIDERING EQUITY. WE'RE MISSING OUT ON HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. I WANT TO BE HONEST ABOUT THE FUNDING LANDSCAPE IS AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL AND THE ATTENTION NOT JUST RESIDENTS BUT NATIONAL CONSIDER IN THE CIP ALLOCATION. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: JUST A QUICK QUESTION. IS THERE ANY WAY, I KNOW RICHARD MORRIS IS PART OF THE JUSTICE BOARD. I KNOW THAT I'M VERY INTERESTED IN HOW WE SOMETIMES FIGHT OVER THESE DOLLARS DURING CAPITAL I KNOW IF WE HAVE A REALLY STRONG GRANT PROGRAM AND HOW WE ACCESS FEDERAL DOLLARS, BUT THEY'RE BEING LEVERAGED THROUGH THIS EQUITY LENS AND JUSTICE 40 IS PART OF IT. MAYBE NOT TODAY BUT ANOTHER DAY DOWN THE ROAD WE CAN LOOK AT HAVING A PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL MAKE NOTE OF THAT, THANK YOU. COUNCILOR LEWIS. YOUR MOTION WAS FOR THE FLOOR SUB. I THINK THERE'S NO GOOD OPTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: I THINK YOU WITH DREW THAT, MR. PRESIDENT. I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY OTHER MOTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M GOING TO TRY MY MAND AND WE'RE GOING TO GET TO AMENDMENT. WE'VE HAD CONVERSATION. LET'S MAKE A MOTION FOR DEFERRAL FOR TWO WEEKS. I THINK WE'VE HAD CONVERSATION, I THINK NOBODY LIKES THE TWO OPTIONS ON THE TABLE BUT WE DEFINITELY AGREE WE NEED TO MOVE AN AMENDMENT PROCESS FOR ALL THE PIECES WE AGREE ON INDIVIDUALLY. I WOULD LIKE TOER ENTERTAIN THAT MOTION AND SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT. WE HAVEN'T ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING IN AN HOUR. COUNCILOR BASSAN. MOTION IS FOR TWO-WEEK DEFERRAL. WE HAVE A SECOND. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, STAND BY -- I DON'T WANT IT DEFER THAT. I SAY THAT BECAUSE IN THE LAST FOUR DAYS THERE'S BEEN A WHOLE BUNCH OF WHAT I BELIEVE IS CHAOS. OTHERWISE, I REALLY WANT TO USE THE WORD GAMES. I'M TRYING NOT TO BE MEAN. I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT FOR ANOTHER TWO WEEKS. I WANT TO HANDLE WHAT WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION TONIGHT. SINCE I'M SPEAKING, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I DON'T THINK THAT EVERYONE IS IN AGREEMENT FULLY ABOUT TOTALLY ABOUT THE MUSEUM AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I THINK THAT'S OUR STATEMENT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE FULL COUNCIL. BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT PRIORITIES THAT WERE LISTED. AFFORDABLE HOUSING YES, BUT THE MUSEUM WAS THOUGHT SOMETHING THAT CAME UP IN DISCUSSION. ALTHOUGH I SUPPORT IT, THAT'S WHY I TOOK IT OUT. IT WAS NOT LISTED COMBIE ANY COUNCILOR COUNCILOR AS A PRIORITY AT THE TIME WHEN I HAD THESE MEETINGS. SO THAT'S WHERE I ENDED UP TAKING IT. I SEE THERE'S ANOTHER AMENDMENT THAT I HOPE WE START HEARING SOON. AND WE CAN START GOING THROUGH THEM ONE BY ONE. WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS. LET'S DO IT. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS BIG AMENDMENT, THEN THE OTHER ONES AREN'T GOING TO WORK. >>COUN. DAVIS: EITHER WAY WE HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES TO AMENDMENTS. WITHIN RULES WE CAN CHANGE SOURCING. AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS. BUT WE'LL DO IT LINE BY LINE. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE DON'T HAVE A SECOND FOR MOTION FOR DEFERRAL. >>COUN. BENTON: I MAKE A MOTION FOR DEFERRAL. -- I'LL SECOND THE MOTION FOR DEFERRAL. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE BACK TO THAT AGAIN. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THE MOTION IS FOR ANOTHER DEFERRAL FOR TWO WEEKS. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: NO. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. WE'RE BACK ON WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO DO. COUNCILOR LEWIS WITH DREW HIS MOTION. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT M LIKE MARY WHICH WE'LL CALL FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. THIS IS THE MUCH DISCUSSED SORT OF MASTER AMENDMENT TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE A NUMBER OF MALLER AMENDMENTS THAT DIFFERENT FOLKS SUGGESTED. I THINK WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF TIME TO LOOK AT IT OR TALK ABOUT IT. CLEARLY EVERYBODY LOOKED AT IT. THAT SAID, WE HAVE A MOTION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON M THAT WE HAVEN'T COVERED? YOEZ ANY. I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE THEY HAVE. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: NO. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: NO. >>COUN. PEÑA: NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: NO. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT FAILS ON A 4-5 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILORS. IS THERE ANOTHER PROPOSAL FOR -- OTHERWISE WE'LL TAKE THEM IN ORD ER. COUNCILOR GROUT, YOU ARE A, WE'LL CALL YOU FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. ON PAGE SEVEN, LINE 13 CHANGE THE TITLE FROM 3% OPEN SPACE LAND ACQUISITION TO 2%. AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT BY $500,000. ON PAGE FOUR LINE 29 ENTITLED REVISE EDUCATION CENTER INCREASE THE AMOUNT BY $500,000 AND INSERT THE FOLLOWING$2 MILLION SHALL BE AVAILABLE FOR LAND ACQUISITION IN THE BIO ZONE OR EDUCATION CENTER IN THE BIO ZONE. THIS EXPLANATION AMENDMENT ADDS TO AMENDMENT G FROM THE APPROVED COMMITTEE SUB-R-23-100 AMENDMENT G ADDED THE LINE TIJ ERAS AND PROVIDED $15 MILLION AND THIS AMENDMENT ADDS ANOTHER $500,000. IT CHANGES THE LANGUAGE FOR OPEN SPACE LAND ACQUISITION FROM 3% TO 2% AS REQUIRED PER O-16-9. % THE ADMINISTRATION'S REQUEST IT ALLOWS THE ORIGINAL 3% FOR EITHER LAND ACQUISITION IN THE ARROYO ZONE OR THE REFURBISHMENT OR CONSTRUCTION OF AN EDUCATION BUILDING IN THE ZONE TO BE USED BY COMMUNITY GROUPS AND OTHER VISITORS AS AN EDUCATION FOR THE OPEN SPACE PROGRAM. THE AND -- SANDIA NATIONAL AREA AND THE CULTURAL CORRIDOR. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE A MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENT? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT. I BELIEVE AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONFIRM WITH STAFF, BUT I BELIEVE THE NUMBER ONE SAID READ ON PAGE CHANGE THE TITLE FROM 2.25% BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE COMMITTEE SUB. IT WAS AMENDED. AND SO I THINK TO BE TECHNICALLY CORRECT IT'S NOT 3%. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR BASSAN, THE ONLY REASON IT SHOWS 3% IS THE CHANGES MADE DURING THE COMMITTEE SUB WEREN'T INCORPORATED INTO THE BILL. WE'RE GOING OFF YOUR COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE. IN THAT BILL IT SAYS 3%. >>COUN. BASSAN: IN THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE WE AMENDED SOMETHING AND IT ENDED UP SAYING 2.25. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR BASSAN, YES, WE DID AMEND IT TO SAY 2.25%. WHEN WE'RE MAKING THE AMENDMENT FOR COUNCILOR GROUT WE'RE REF RENESING THE BILL SHOWING WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE THAT AMENDMENT WAS PASSED. YOU'RE CORRECT. WITH THAT, BUT, BASED OFF THE BILL WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE CHANGES HAD NOT BEEN INCORPORATED. >>COUN. BASSAN: THAT MAKES SENSE. SO IF YOU'RE GOING FROM 3% TO 2% THE MATH OF $500,000 DOESN'T ADD UP. SO ONE OR THE OTHER HAS TO CHANGE ON THIS AMENDMENT, I BELIEVE. >> SO THE FIRST AMENDMENT IN THE COMMITTEE SUB DID BRING IT TO 2.25 WHICH LEF LEFT THE AMOUNT AT $4.5 MILLION. THIS TAKES US TO THE REMAINING TO GET US THE REMAINING. >>COUN. BASSAN: I DON'T THINK YOU CAN -- IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'RE SAYING WE HAVE TO KEEP THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE FROM THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE BEFORE IT WAS AMENDED BUT ALSO WE'RE SAYING THE $500,000 WHICH DOES NOT EQUAL A FULL 1%. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, I'M GOING TO TRY TO HELP A LITTLE BIT. THAT REFERENCE ON THAT PARAGRAPH ONE OF THIS AMENDMENT TO THE 3% IS FOR PURPOSES OF REFERENCE TO THE BILL. THAT'S IT. THE IMPORTANT THING IS THE OUTCOME WILL BE 2%. THAT WILL BE REDUCED FROM THE 2.25 AND THE BILL REFERENCED 2% AND THE 3% IS FOR BLASE WE CAN FIND IN THE BILL BUT IT'S NOT CHANING IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY, MR. PRESIDENT. AS LONG AS WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON THE FINAL OUTCOME TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT A DEVIL IN THAT DETAIL. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M NOT CLEAR AT ALL, BUT I TRUST THE MATH PEOPLE. COUNCILOR BENTON ON THE BAT PHONE AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. BENTON: YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION FOR STAFF OR FOR THE SPONSOR. I KNOW THAT THE OPEN SPACE ADVISORY BOARD I BELIEVE THEY WROTE IT IN SUPPORT OF THE BIO ZONE. VISITOR CENTER. AS FAR AS LAND PURCHASE, ISN'T THAT A PROCESS WHERE THERE'S A LIST OF PRIORITIES AND HAVE THEY TALKED ABOUT ADDITIONAL LAND PURCHASES AND THE VIT VISITOR CENTER? >> . >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, I TALKED -- LET SEE DIRECTOR SIMON ACTUALLY CALLED ME AND ASKED IF I WOULD DO THIS. DOING THIS AT HIS REQUEST. AND I'LL DEFER TO STAFF FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ANSWERS. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THAT A QUESTION FOR THE ADMIN? >>COUN. GROUT: I'M SORRY. BAR RUTAYLOR ALSO TALKED ABOUT LAND PURCHASES. I'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM AS WELL. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON, IS THAT A QUESTION FOR THE ADMIN? >>COUN. BENTON: YEAH, I GUESS IT'S A QUESTION FOR ADMAN OR ANYONE AT THE OPEN SPACE MEETINGS WHERE THIS WAS DISCUSSED. I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE VISITOR CENTER. I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE LAND ACQUISITION IN HERE. >>COUN. DAVIS: DIRECTOR SIMON, YOU'RE BEING SUMMONED. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE ARROYO BIO ZONE CONSTITUTE THE PRIORITIES ADOPTED BY THE COUNCIL FOR OPEN SPACE ACQUISITION. THERE'S A LIST OF PROPERTIES THAT THE COUNCIL HAS VETTED AND ADDED TO THAT PRIORITY LIST. AND AS I UNDERSTAND THE AMENDMENT THIS WOULD ALLOW THE OPEN SPACE DIVISION DEPARTMENT TO USE THE FUNDS EITHER FOR THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROPERTIES OR FOR THE PROJECT. I THINK DIRECTOR, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE PRIORITIES HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AND APPROVED TO ADD TO THE PRIORITY LIST. I HOPE I ANSWERED THE QUESTION. >>COUN. BENTON: I THINK YOU ANSWERED IT FOR THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY, MR. DIRECTOR. YOU KNOW, I GUESS ANOTHER QUESTION IS THERE A DESIGN FOR THIS CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AS WELL? THERE ARE MANY OTHER PRIORITIES THAT ARE THROUGHOUT THE CITY AS WELL. >> MR. MREZ DY ? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, I BELIEVE THERE ARE TEN PROPERTIES. THE BIO ZONE IS ONE OF THOSE. IT INCLUDES ALMOST 30 INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES. SO, WE DO HAVE PRIORITY RANKING. SO IF WE WERE TO USE FUNDS WE WOULD STICK TO THE PRIORITY. AND THEN THE ANSWER TO THE OTHER QUESTION IS WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR IN PLACE WHO IS BEGINNING THE PLANNING AND ANALYSIS OF THE EDUCATION CENTER PROJECT. IT'S NOT DESIGNED BUT WE HAVE THE CONTRACTOR WHO HAS BEGUN THAT WORK. >>COUN. BENTON: WOULD THIS FUND THAT PROJECT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, THAT WILL DEPEND ON TWO THINGS. THAT THEY FIND THE BEST DESIGN APPROACH AND IF THE MARKET WILL TELL US ABOUT HOW EXPENSIVE THAT WOULD BE. I THINK THIS IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT TOWARD THE PROJECT AND WILL PRODUCE SOME EXCELLENT OUTCOMES. >>COUN. BENTON: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: DIRECTOR. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: NUMBER TWO. COUNCILORS. GO AHEAD. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. SGLNL YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECRETARIES . >>COUN. DAVIS: ITEM B. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. >>COUN. GROUT: FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE, ON PAGE FOUR LINE TWO REDUCE THE AMOUNT FOR DISTRICT NINE TRANSIT STATION BY $1.5 MILLION. ON PIEJ TWO LINE SIX INCREASE THE AMOUNT BY $1.5 MILLION. AFTER LINE SIX ON PAGE TWO INSERT THE FOLLOWING. $1.5 MILLION IS DESIGNED FOR MAJOR PAVING REHABILITATION PROJECTS IN DISTRICT NINE. THE EXPLANATION HERE IS THE TRANSIT STATION IS IN DISTRICT NINE IS FULLY FUNDED THROUGH THE CNMAQ AND STPU PROGRAM. SEVERAL STREETS IN DISTRICT NINE ARE IN NEED OF PAVEMENT REHABILITATION. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE A MOTION IS THERE A SECOND? MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. MR. RAEL, DOES THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE SFUNT FUNDING -- SUFFICIENT FUNDING TO TRANSIT STATION? WHAT'S THE ADMINISTRATION'S PREFERENCE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THERE ARE ENOUGH FUNDS IN THE C-MAC PROGRAM TO CONSTRUCT THIS TRANSIT CENTER THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE BILL. >>COUN. DAVIS: MR. RAEL, IN THE FUTURE TAKE THAT 1.5 FOR THE MUSEUM, FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD THE ADMINISTRATION BE SUPPORTIVE OF TAKING THAT OR WOULD THAT LEAVE THAT PROJECT WITH A GAP? IN OTHER WORDS, CAN YOU DOIT ALL C-MAC AND DOES THAT FREE UP THE 1.5? >> MR. PRESIDENT, THE C-MAC FUNDS HAVE A MATCH. >>COUN. DAVIS: I UNDERSTAND. COUNCILOR BENTON. GO AHEAD. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. THIS IS ALSO A QUESTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. THE PROJECT IN DISTRICT TWO AS WELL THAT'S BEEN PLANNED SINCE EARLY 2000s. AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IT WAS ALLOCATED FOR YEARS. I BELIEVE WE'VE ALLOCATED SOME OF THE MONEY TOWARD A PROJECT IN THE WEST SIDE. THIS IS A PRIORITY OF THE DEPARTMENT? WE KNOW THE PROJECTS ARE IN COUNCILOR GROUT'S DISTRICT THAT ARE READY TO GO. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON -- WE HAVE NUMEROUS PROJECTS IN DISTRICT NINE THAT CAN USE THE FUNDS FOR REHAB, MAJOR REHAB, BOTH ON THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS AND ARTERIAL STREETS. THIS WILL NOT HAVE IMPACT ON ANY PROJECT HONEST THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER. ESPECIALLY COUNCILOR LEWIS'S DISTRICT OR COUNCILOR BASSAN'S DISTRICT. WE CAN USE THIS MONEY FOR ONGOING PROJECTS. EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE QUARTER CENT TAX THAT ENHANCES THE PROJECTS IN THAT AREA. >>COUN. BENTON: BUT, THE ORIGINAL FIGURE, THE ORIGINAL FIGURE FOR THIS LINE ITEM WAS -- HELP ME OUT. >>$3 MILLION. >>COUN. BENTON: AND THEN THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED BY THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, IF I UNDERSTAND THE AMENDMENT, NUMBER THREE, AND AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR GO HAND IN HAND. COUNCILOR GROUT HAD ALLOCATED$3 MILLION FOR THE TRANSIT STOP. WHAT THIS AMENDMENT DOES AND THE AMENDMENT RIGHT AFTER IT IS REDISTRIBUTES THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY WITHIN HER DISTRICT FOR ROAD PROJECTS. THAT'S SIMPLY WHAT IT DOES. >>COUN. BENTON: IT IS USING THE GENERIC LINE ITEM THAT TYPICALLY WE'VE HAD EVERY YEAR. IT'S ALLOCATING THAT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON. THAT IS CORRECT. IT'S USING THE GENERIC LINE ITEM WE USE BUT SPECIFYING FOR DISTRICT NINE. >>COUN. BENTON: I SEE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A LINE ITEM THAT IS ALLOCATED TO A SPECIFIC PROJECT AND WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO TAKE SOME OF THE GENERIC FUND MONEY AND ALLOCATED TO IT THE DISTRICT. CAN SOMEBODY EXPLAIN THIS? WE DO BOTH IN THE BILL WHICH SEECONFUSING. I DON'T GET THE DIFFERENCE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE MR. MELENDREZ OR MR. MARTINEZ MIGHT ANSWER THAT QUESTION. OR THE SPONSOR OF THE BILL. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL GO TO THE SPONSOR. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, IN THE MEETINGS I HAD, COUNCILOR GROUT HAD A$3 MILLION REQUEST FOR THE TRANSIT STATION AS ONE OF HER TOP MOST PRIORITIES. I PUT IT IN THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE. SINCE THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE WAS PASSED, SHE HAS OLIDIFIED FUNDING FROM ELSEWHERE. SHE'S REALLOCATING SOMETHING THAT WAS GIVING TO HER DISTRICT THROUGH THE VOTE OF THE COMMITTEE SUB, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MR. RAEL CAUTIONED ABOUT ABOUT EARLY ON THAT AS SOON AS PEOPLE START LINE ITEMING AND ADDING PROJECTS IT'S MORE OF A MESS. AT THE SAME TIME, THAT WAS OPEN, THE GATE WAS OPEN, THE CAT WAS OUT OF THE BAG. AT THIS POINT THAT'S HOW I END UP PHRASING IT. IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOOD PRACTICE, AND THAT'S WHAT MR. RAEL MENTIONED BEFORE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, COUNCILOR GROUT WAS ABLE TO SECURE$3 MILLION AND I DID PUT IT IN THE COMMITTEE SUBAND VOTED FOR IT AND APPROVED IT. NOW SHE WANTS TO MAKE SURE SHE TAKED AWAY FROM THAT PROJECT AND GIVES IT TO SOMETHING ELSE. IN MY OPINION I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THAT TO KEEP SOMETHING IN HER DISTRICT FOR HER DISTRICT. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, MAY I ADDRESS? >>COUN. DAVIS: GO AHEAD. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. WE HAD TWO TRAFFIC STUDIES GOING ON IN OUR DISTRICT RIGHT NOW. IN ONE OF THEM IT WAS THE HILLS STUDY AND IT ADDRESSES GOING TO KIRTLAND AIR FORCE BASE. AND THERE'S SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THERE. WE ALSO HAVE ROADS UP AGAINST THE MOUNTAIN. THERE'S LOT OF SHIFTING AND A LOT OF PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED. SO THERE'S A STRONG NEED FOR THESE ROADS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT. LET ME RESTATE MY QUESTION. MY QUESTION WAS NOT ABOUT WHETHER THE PROJECTS WERE NEEDED. I AGREE THAT THEY ARE. MY QUESTION IS WHY ARE WE HAVING SOME PIECES OF THIS BILL THAT SAY SPECIFICALLY THINGS LIKE PASEO AND UNSER ROAD WAY AND IT HAS ITS OWN LINE ITEM, AND OTHER INSTANCES WE GO UNDER SOMETHING LIKE MAJOR PAVING REHAB, AND WE ALLOCATE FUNDS SPECIFICALLY TO A DISTRICT UNDER THAT BROADER TOPIC. THAT IS MY QUESTION. NOT ABOUT THE PROJECTS OR NOT. I KNOW EVERY COUNCILOR KNOWS WHAT'S NEEDED -N IN THE DISTRICT. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE FOR LINE ITEMS THAT CALL OUT A PROJECT. OR TAKING FROM THE OVERALL GENERIC TOPIC. >>COUN. DAVIS: YOU LOOK READY FOR THAT AND WE HAVE COUNCILOR BENTON BEHIND YOU. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, LET ME BACK UP MY -- THE END IS THAT THERE ARE 11 BOND QUESTIONS THAT GO TO THE VOTERS THAT ARE UNDER BROAD CATEGORIES THAT ARE EVERYWHERE FROM PARKS AND RECREATION OR PARKS AND COMMUNITY PROGRAMS. THEY'RE VERY BROAD. THAT'S WHERE REALLY WHAT THIS IS REALLY ALL ABOUT. ALLOCATING THE FUNDS TO THE 11 CATEGORIES SO THE VOTERS CAN APPROVE BONDS OR AT LEAST HAVE. HOWEVER, THE WAY THE CIP HAS ALWAYS BEEN DONE IS WE PRESENT CERTAIN PROJECTS SO WHEN VOTERS AND OTHERS ASK WHAT YOU ACTUALLY FUND IN THE BOND PACKAGE, IF YOU WILL, I TALKED TO SOME OF YOU INCLUING COUNCILOR BASSAN, WHEN WE GO TO EARMARKING THE FUNDS FOR SPECIFIC COUNCIL DISTRICTS, THAT PROCESS NORMALLY TAKES PLACE AFTER THE VOTERS HAVE APPROVED THE BONDS IN TOTALITY AND WE COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL WITH A CLEAN UP BILL OR A CIP ALLOCATION BILL AND ALLOCATES THE MONEY APPROVED BY THE VOTERS. THAT'S WHERE THE BROAD CATEGORIES ARE DISSECTED INTO SPECIFIC PROGRAMS LIKE THE ONE THAT IS IN THIS AMENDMENT. THAT'S JUST THE WAY NORMALLY -- THE WAY IT'S DONE USUALLY. HOWEVER, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THIS IS A POLITICAL PROCESS THAT YOU ADVOCATE FOR YOUR PROJECTS AND DISTRICTS, I'M NOT GOING TO BE A PUREST ABOUT IT. IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE. THIS IS WHY I CAUTIONED COUNCILOR BASSAN BECAUSE WE'LL GET TO THE POINT TONIGHT WHERE WE'RE ARGUING WITH EACH OTHER OVER SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT THE VOTERS WILL NOT SEE IN A REAL SENSE WHEN THEY'RE VOTING FOR THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE THESE BROAD CATEGORIES OF BOND QUESTIONS. IT'S IMPORTANT, I SUSPECT, FOR ALL OF US TO BE ABLE TO GO TO OUR RESPECTIVE CONSTITUENTS AND SAY I GOT MONEY IN THERE FOR THIS PROJECT. BUT REALLY THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN UNTIL AFTER THE VOTERS WEIGH IN AND WE COME BACK WITH A BILL THAT ACTUALLY STARTS ALLOCATING THOSE FUNDS. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S NOT FORGET WHEN WE COME BACK T APPROPRIATIONS WE DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN. AND I'LL BE GRATEFUL TO BE AT HOME WATCHING YOU ONLINE. >>COUN. BENTON: I THINK THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING IS REINFORCES MY POINT. I'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO HAVE A PROJECT THAT WAS IN DESIGN, SHOVEL READY. WE HAD AN ESTIMATE FOR IT. WE KNOW WHAT IT IS. AND AT THAT POINT PERHAPS THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD SEE IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO USE THIS TYPE OF FUNDS FOR IT. AS OPPOSED TO US ALL SITTING AT THE DI DAY DIE TRYING TO MAKE A GRAB FOR THE MONEY. AS COUNCILOR BASSAN SAID, WELL, THERE'S OTHER MONEY FOR ONE OF THE PROJECTS SO LET'S KEEP IT IN THIS DISTRICT. I REALLY I THINK IT'S THE WRONG WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS KIND OF THING. I NEVER LIKED IT WHEN IT HAS OCCURRED. I'M NOT SAYING IT HASN'T OCCURRED IN THE PAST. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. I HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING NOW. THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT ACCURATE. BECAUSE WE'RE -- THE PROCESS IS A PROCESS BECAUSE YES EVERY COUNCILOR IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE VOTERS TO HAVE A HANDFUL OF PROJECTS THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY SUPPORT EITHER CITY WIDE OR FOR EACH OF THE DISTRICTS, ASK AND WHEN IT GOES OUT TO REAPPROPRIATION BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE SHOULDN'T FIGHT OVER THIS MONEY I'M GOING TO WHAT WAS PROPOSED EARIER AND SOME COUNCILORS RECEIVED ADDITIONAL MONEY AND ADVOCATED FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY SHOVEL-READY. SINCE THAT WAS SAID PUBLICLY, I WANT TO SAY THAT PUBLICLY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER? >>COUN. BENTON: NO. I'M JUST USED TO HAVE IT DROPPING DOWN AUTOMATICALLY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE? SEEING NONE. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON AN 8-1 VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR GROUT, YOU HAVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. ITEM C. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS C. ON PAGE FOUR LINE TWO REDUCE THE AMOUNT FOR DISTRICT NINE TRANSIT STATION BY $1.5 MILLION. ON PAGE TWO AFTER LINE 28 INSERT THE FOLLOWING STREET INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT. $1.5 MILLION. $1.5 MILLION IS DESIGNATED FOR ROAD WAY TRAFFIC JEERN ENGINEERING MAINTENANCE IN DISTRICT NINE. THE TRANSIT STATION IN D9 IS FULLY FUNDED THROUGH THE GRANT PROGRAMS AND SEVERAL STREETS IN DISTRICT NINE ARE IN NEED OF INFRASTRUCTURE STAFT -- SAFETY. THIS IS WHERE WE ARE GETTING WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDIES. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? CALL THE VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR LEWIS. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE. I.D. >>COUN. LEWIS: I MOVE FLOOR NEMENT FIVE. ON PAGE TWO AFTER LINE FIVE ADD THE FOLLOWING LANGUAGE. AFTER UNSER BULL VERDICT AND MCMAHON LOCATED IN DISTRICT FIVE, IT SHOWS YOU HOW THE LINE SHOULD READ. I MOVE DO PASS ON THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND SECOND. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, IT STARTED OFF WITH JUST UNSER BOULEVARD. THE DEPARTMENT REMINDED ME OF NEED FOR FINISHING OUT MCMAHON. I WOULD ASK FOR A QUICK -- DOES THIS REFLECT -- I KNOW YOU SUGGESTED AS FAR AS DIRECTING THE FUNDS TO MCMAHON? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS I REACHED OUT TO COUNCILOR LEWIS TO AMEND THE AMENDMENT AND THIS IS WHAT THIS DOES. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF I MAY ASK, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE MCMAHON PROJECT IS$1 MILLION SHY. DOES THIS MAKE IT WHOLE? IS THERE OTHER FUNDING NEEDED? >>COUN. LEWIS: TWL MAKE ONE SECTION WHOLE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THE 2024 LEGISLATIVE SESSION AND THE 2025 BOND PROGRAM. >>COUN. DAVIS: MR. MONTOYA, IF MCMAHON IS A PRIORITY WHY NOT STRIKE PASEO AND UNSER, AND LEAVE MCMAHON. IS THERE A REASON TO LEAVE THE FLEXIBILITY? >> MR. PRESIDENT, WHAT WE ASKED THE ORIGINAL REQUEST TO COUNCILOR LEWIS WAS TO MAKE PASEO BROAD IN SCOPE. WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR EITHER IF WE NEED ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR MCMAHON IT WAS BROAD ENOUGH TO REFLECT WEST SIDE PROJECTS IN DISTRICT FIVE WEST SIDE. THAT'S NOT IS REFLECTED. THE$1 MILLION DOES GO TOWARD THE PROJECT. ON THE PASEO WE'RE FULLY FUNDED FOR PHASE ONE. THAT'S WHY I REACHED OUT FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'M FINE WITH IT JUST SAYING MCMAHON. THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. THIS DOES ALLOW IT. IT DOES ALL YOU AND DO THE SAME THING. >>COUN. DAVIS: SGLD I UNDERSTAND . >>COUN. DAVIS: I UNDERSTAND. IT'S JUST THEFLUXABILITY SGLTD >> MR. PRESIDENT, WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE AMENDMENT AS IT READS. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER COUNCILORS? SEEING NONE. CALL THE VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX. SHOULD I READ THESE? >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK THEY'RE AVAILABLE. IF YOU WALK TO READ THE SUMMARY. >>COUN. LEWIS: THIS TAKES THE SEVERAL DIFFERENT SOURCES AND IT PUTS$2 MILLION TO THE$1 MILLION ALREADY IN THE SUBSTITUTE. BRINGS THE TOTAL FOR MULTIJEN CENTER TO THREE MILLION. >>COUN. GROUT: SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR GROUT AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN WITH A QUESTION. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MF. ON THIS ONE I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE SOURCE OF SOME OF THE FUNDING. PARK IRRIGATION SYSTEM RENOVATION. OUR PARKS ARE THE LARGEST WATER USER IN THE ALBUQUERQUE BERNALILLO COUNTY WATER UTILITY AUTHORITY DISTRICT. I REALLY DO THINK WE NEED TO DO ALL WE CAN TO MAKE SURE WE'RE HAVING IRRIGATION SYSTEMS IN OUR PARKS THAT WORK WELL. I WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON WHAT TAKING THIS MONEY FROM THAT LINE ITEM RESULTS IN. >>COUN. LEWIS: IF I CAN ADDRESS -- I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO ANSWER THAT. IF I CAN ADDRESS REAL QUICK. THESE ARE NOT UNRELATED. THE MULTIGENERATIONAL CENTER WE'RE BUILDING ON A PROPERTY THE CITY OWNS. IT REQUIRES PARK AND PLAYGROUND. IT INCLUDES NEW PARK DEVELOPMENT. IT INCLUDES IRRIGATION PORTION OF IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT THEY'RE NOT UNRELATED. THIS IS WHERE CERTAIN PARTS OF THIS PROJECT WOULD COME FROM ANYWAY AND SIMILAR TO THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: MR. RAEL, THE FUNDING FOR THAT ONE PROJECT WOULD COME FROM CITY WIDE BALANCES WHICH ARE NOT THAT BIG TO START WITH? >> MR. PRESIDENT, MR. SIMON IS HERE. HE CAN GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION RELATED TO COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN'S REQUEST. >> . >>COUN. DAVIS: MR. SIMON, PEOPLE LIKE TAKING ALL OF YOUR MONEY. >> IN THIS CASE I DON'T HAVE THAT AMENDMENT IN FRONT OF ME. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IT WAS HALF A MILLION FROM ONE SOURCE AND THEN THE TOTAL WAS ABOUT -- SO THE REDUCTION TO PARK IRRIGATION RENOVATION IS SUBSTANTIAL. IT IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FROM OUR ENVIRONMENTAL AND CONSERATION STANDPOINT FOR THE CITY. AND REHAB TO WATER CONSERVATION. THERE'S A REASON WHY I PUT AT THE TOP OF THE LIST EVERY TWO YEARS TO MY BOSSES. THIS YEAR WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST NUMBER THAT WE'LL NOT BE ABLE TO DO MAJOR CONSERATION PROJECTS. THE IRRIGATION SURVEY REDUCTION TAKES ABOUT 25% AWAY FLAUM -- FROM THAT LINE. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THOSE IS THE PUBLIC SAFETY AND THERE'S OTHER PLAYGROUND -- THEY NEED TO BRING IT UP TO CODE. TAKE THE ENTIRE AMOUNT, MR. PRESIDENT. THE NEW PARK PROJECT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, I WILL TELL YOU SORRY. BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOR. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO COUNCILOR LEWIS BECAUSE I'M A FAN OF THE CIBOLA LOOP PROJECT. THE PARK BENEFITS THAT COME FROM THE CIBOLA LOOP ARE MANY YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. THAT'S NOT FIRST PHASE OF THAT PROJECT. I THINK IT WILL BE QUITE A LONG TIME BEFORE WE SEE THOSE DOLLARS USED FOR A PARK OR GRASS OR ANYTHING ON CIBOLA LOOP. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, ALL THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION. >>COUN. GROUT: AGAIN, MY . >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MY CONCERN IS HEAR -- WE'RE A HUGE WATER USER AND WE NEED TO DO ALL WE CAN TO MINIMIZE OUR USE AT THE PARKS. IT'S IT THE ENVIRONMENTAL THING TO DO, IT'S THE SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO. MANY OF THE PARKS IN DISTRICT SEVEN ARE WELL OVER DUE FOR AN UPGRADE AND HAD BEEN ANTICIPATING THAT WOULD COME TO DISTRICT SEVEN. ALSO ON THE PARK AND PLAYGROUND RENOVATIONS THIS IS THE TOP FIVE OF THE FINGS THAT MY FOLKS ASK ME ABOUT IN MY DISTRICT. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR PARK AND PLAYGROUND RENOVATIONS FOR ALL THE DISTRICTS NOT JUST ONE. WHILE I DON'T HAVE ANY NEW PARK DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING IN MY DISTRICT IT MAKES ME NERVOUS TO TAKE THAT LINE ITEM TO ZERO TO HAVE NO NEW PARKS OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS. THAT SEEMS SLIGHTLY IRRESPONSIBLE. I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS. I SUPPORT THE MULTIGENERATION CENTER. WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE PARKS WE HAVE AND BEING SOCIALLY RESPONSIBLE. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COUNCILOR BENTON AND ME. BUT FIRST, YOU THOUGHT WERE TO -- I MAKE A MOTION TO TENGSD THE MEETING TO 1 A.M. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR BASSAN . >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NO. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: NO. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: NO. >> THAT PASSES ON A 5-4 VOTE. DIRECTOR SIMON. THANKS FOR STICKING AROUND. WE'LL BE HERE A LITTLE LONGER. COULD YOU REMIND ME BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILOR BENTON IN THE LAST CIP BUDGET I RECALL WE HAD $20 MILLION TOWARD MAINTENANCE BACKLOG ON IRRIGATION IN THE PARK. YOUR DEPARTMENT WAS WORKING THROUGH A DECENT CHUNK OF THAT PARTICULARLY OLDER PARKS DOWNTOWN AND COUNCILOR GROUT'S DISTRICT. BUT BALL PARK, WHAT'S THE BALL PARK? >> MR. PRESIDENT, WE HAVE I BELIEVE FOUR PARKS IRRIGATION SYSTEMS THAT ARE OVER 50 YEARS OLD. THAT'S THE HEIGHT OF THE HILL. WE CHIPPED AWAY AND DID REALLY GOOD FOR THE FIRST TIME. AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY HAVE $3.4 MILLION. IT'S A NICE NUMBER. ONE OF THE MOST THINGS IT GIVES US IS A MATCH GRANTS FROM THE STATE AND THAT TENGSDED THE MONEY YOU GAVE US. I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE THAT. TO LEVERAGE THE IRRIGATION FUNDS. WE MAKE PROGRESS, YES, BUT WOO HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO. >> MR. PRESIDENT. WE'RE REVIEWING THE VOTE ON THE RUL SUSPENSION. IT WAS A 5-4 VOTE. THE VOTE TO EXTEND THE MEETING FAILED. WE'RE SITTING AT MIDNIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION AND WE'LL CALL IT GOOD TO 12:01. >>COUN. DAVIS: MY CLOCK SAYS 11:59. DOES SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE A NEW MOTION. >>COUN. BASSAN: I MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND THE RULES AND OUR MEETING UNTIL 12:30. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION TO 12:30. >>COUN. GROUT: SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NO. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. JONES: NO. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: WHAT HAPPENS IF WE RUN OUT OF TIME. >> THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED WITH THE BILE ON THE TABLE. WE'LL PICK IT UP TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. WE'LL STRUCTURE TO PICK UP THE BILL AS OLD BUSINESS. LET'S PICK THIS UP IN A COUPLE WEEKS. WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING USEFUL DONE. SEE YOU IN TWO WEEKS.