thing ironically was my dad's aunt was a non at habit. >> Oh, >> well then >> well then you just borrow a fan. >> Mhm. >> Where were you at school? >> Where did you go to college? >> Come on. How do you not know? >> That's right. He's Johnny. >> That's true. I'm sorry. I get confused on all the sweet ones. >> All the sweet ones. >> Yeah. I don't know which one's which. or it's not mentioned in merch. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. Is it on his >> Johnny's on there? >> Wrong color though. >> I was saying wrong your sticker that says Johnny's. Wrong color. >> Well, they do have baby blue in this. >> Oh, did you? >> It's Johnny Red, but then the blue is the accent. >> The accent. Yeah. >> Andrew loves this. We need to keep that computer awake. So, we're just going to aggressively move this now. >> So, just know that that's what we're trying to do. >> Okay. Okay. >> Can you go into the settings on it and set the thing so it doesn't >> It's a thing. >> Oh, >> you need to get one of those figures that just automatically >> put it put it on a fan. >> Yeah. So, what does the workout look like for the fire department tonight? Push-ups and after the award last week, >> they're going to work with the extrication tools. I think they're going to move some water, play with some hose. >> Okay. Thought you were going to give them a strenuous workout after last week's surprise. Yeah. Should you guys gonna come up and help? >> I got a thing. I got a thing. >> I'm good at this. Have the pen divot. >> Yeah, just a nice little Then it's got one here so that I can lock it in and it doesn't fall out when I'm running around with it. >> They do have a magnet there though. That's part of >> All right, it is 5:30. I will call our work session on this Star Wars day, May 4th, to order. Um, up first, we have our quarterly public safety update with Sergeant Josh Baker and the award-winning Fire Chief Tim Walsh. Welcome, gentlemen. >> Thank you. um afternoon I suppose early evening however you want to say it. Um I was asked to bring some data um do running some reports and making some graphs this time. So hopefully it'll be a little bit more educational and better looking. So here's one of the things that we or I decided to put in here is total calls by year. So back in 2013, I've been keeping track ever since then just to show you some of the trends in there. There is nothing really specific in our data to say it's more of these or more of these. Um I can tell you it's more medical related, but nothing really stands out other than that. But just wanted to show you the trend of calls jump >> even I'm just looking at this. Even in 2020 was the first year of uh Carver Ridge and it didn't jump that much that first year. >> Yep. >> Do you think maybe it has to do with the fact that more people work from home and the calls are coming in here rather than when they're at >> Yeah. when we when we got the big jump um during >> co >> you know a lot of people were working from home and still people are working from home but yeah I think that's part of that and then of course we're get just getting more people and the population's growing in age and those types of things but yeah we continue to go upward incident count by month so you can see here we're we're averaging about 34 calls a month Well, this back in April, we finished out with 36 calls for service. You can see a majority of our calls from January to April. 78 of um were medical related. Then we've got some public service calls in there. Um hazardous situations um are like CO alarms, gas alarms, those types of things. And then we've got um got the medicals and public service. Those are lift assists. Those could be service calls where we're out checking the smoke detector because they were beeping or chirping. We've had a couple of um vehicle crashes. So under rescue, non-emergencies were medical alarms where we get there and their pendants or something got accidentally pushed, that type of thing. And what was the other one? >> What are um car accidents? What is that categorized under? >> That's under rescue. >> There's no rescue on this. >> Is there not a rescue one in there? >> No. >> Well, that one didn't make it in there. >> Okay. I'm not misreading. >> It's It's on my sheet, but we must have missed that when we were making the chart. >> That's fine. I just thought I was misreading it and I'm not. So, we're good. >> Any other questions with that one? incidents by time of day. Um, this has been quite interesting this year so far. Before April, um, a majority of our calls were between between 12 and 4. And now you can see adding in April, now it's between 8 and 4. So, we get a lot of daytime calls. Um, we average one to six people during the day, give or take, depending on what it is. Um, more serious medical, cardiac arrest, and that kind of thing. More people leave work or leave their home office, that type of stuff. Rescue calls or fire related, more people will show up through this one in here. This is by district or zone. So you can see the city um the townships and then our mutual aid calls since January and I think that's the last one it is. Any questions with uh my stuff other than we are currently at 140 calls so we've got four more this month already. >> I have a question. >> Yes. Is our response time a tracked metric where we look at how we do year-over-year and getting to these incidents? >> It is tracked. I have not run that report yet. This is a new software this year, so I have not been able to play with that, but I will have some data for the next update. >> Great. Thanks. >> I understand it's recruitment season. >> It is. >> How's that going? I understand we already have one application from the gentleman to your left. I didn't ask I didn't pass the physical >> the video. I love the video. >> It was fun to make. >> It was great. >> Yeah, the the video stuff is out there. Um applications are are open and uh we're just waiting to get those in. I don't know if we've gotten anything yet. Okay. >> But >> what's your deadline? >> I wish I knew off the top of my head, but I don't. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um what else I was going to ask? Uh, I was just going to say to the social media end, you guys are doing some really great stuff. So, >> good. Thank you. >> Thank you. It looks great. >> I'll make sure I bring that back. >> Please do. >> All right. Okay. I think we're good with the fire department. >> All right. Mayor and council, thank you for having me. Um, I don't have a fancy graphic like uh Chief Walsh does. Um, I also just learned that the city hasn't received the quarterly update from the sheriff's office. So, I'm not sure why that didn't come through. It usually comes through in an electronic format. Um, I did reach out to our record staff today. Did not hear back as to why that happened, but I did pull our quarter 1 numbers uh for just specific to the city of Carver, and we handled 457 calls for service from January 1 to March 31st. Um, if we back out traffic stop numbers out of that, uh, we had 138 traffic stops made within the city limits of Carver. Uh, so it'd be 138 minus or 457 minus 138 for the number of people that are calling in or our patrol deputies finding stuff as they're driving around. Um, I I try to on a weekly basis and just the update of what has happened from Sunday to Sunday. Um, I I typically am kind of vague in the information I provide unless there is a large type response that drew a number of patrol vehicles and I will usually note that on there. I figure those are the types of questions city hall is going to get. Um, this quarter um when you get those numbers there there's a couple of stats that are going to stick out. Um, and these are the ones that I jump to as well when I see them. We had a what came through as a reported kidnapping. So, I don't want you to be concerned when you see that. That was a parent, a non-custodial parent situation. It was not a the kidnapping that we would normally think of, but under uh FBI stats, it's considered a kidnapping that, but the kids were never in danger or anything of that nature. Uh we did have one sex crime that occurred in the city. Uh that was a juvenile on juvenile incident that happened on a school bus. um that was investigated. Uh and then we had one burglary. So those are the numbers that that I always look for. The burglary was a new home uh under construction that somebody entered and stole some tools. So it was not an occupied home or something of that nature. Uh we responded to 51 medicals uh most of which would be with the fire department. The numbers don't necessarily match up though because that 51 was only within the city limits. Um, from a coverage perspective here, uh, you know, right now as I sit here, there's three of us, uh, assigned to the city of Carver that are in the city right now. Um, until I go home, then that number drops to two. Um, so there there usually is at least two of us on at any given time in the city during the Monday through Friday time period. Um, that's that that's kind of the numbers uh, as a whole. Uh, we continue to focus on quality of life issues. Those are probably the number one calls that we get. Speeding complaints. We have seen an uptick in animal calls as of recently and I think that the weather's getting nicer. People are out. People are noticing dogs off leash. Uh we did have an incident at Lions Park last week that did make social media. Um in terms of a dog uh attacking another dog, that was not an off leash situation. That was two dogs that were kind of interacting together and one got a little aggressive uh with the other. So, was not a dog off leash type situation. So, um any questions for me on any of those stats? >> Any questions? >> Not on the stats. I have something else. >> Go ahead. Um so, on and I noticed that Wednesday mornings because I drive up 11 um and then to hit 212 to go out to my office. I've seen this numerous times where hall trucks and I'm not saying it's any specific company. We know hall trucks are coming through from all over the place. Um, but they have been beyond running a yellow on red lights. And there was one I saw where it was so entirely red that I can't I just was happy that the cross car for some reason did not pull out because that dump truck would have taken them out. And I witnessed this just about every morning for the last I don't know month and a half where there's just they're just blowing through. And yellow's one thing, but I mean these are red and those dumb trucks can do some damage. So, is there any way we can have a little bit more patrol time? Maybe, you know, that 7:30 to 8:30 in the morning, especially with school coming in and out and um it's just it's a busy it's a busy thoroughfare on 11 just because people are coming from Jordan and we've got and there's a lot of construction happening all over. >> Absolutely. And I'm guessing the intersections would be Monroe and Ironwood where you were seeing that. Um, we had a single complaint earlier this year of that exact same uh concern that a neighbor that lives along, Jonathan Carver, brought to our attention. Um, I directed our patrol deputies to do extra patrolling up there, which I did as well. Uh, we had our unmarked uh, black Chevy Silverado in town. Not a single truck was observed going through the the lights at that time. Um, funny though, today I was behind a string of them and I think one was going to run the light until they saw me and a lot of smoke came up from the tires. So, um, >> the mere officer presence I think fixed that issue, that individual one. Um, I will readress this with our patrol staff, especially in the morning. Um, I have seen a large uptick in truck traffic probably over just the last couple of weeks. I mean, it's been steady. >> Well, road restrictions came off now, too. So, they're going. >> But especially with the construction going on on Highway Five, I'm seeing the trucks go a lot further north than I had been. Um, so I would can only assume they're going all the way up to five and beyond um for some of that road construction. >> Okay. Yeah, that would be great. I mean, it is springtime now. Kids are out, families are out, people are out in general, but I would just hate to see a car crash from one of those dump trucks and it's been numerous times. So, I appreciate you >> absolutely >> relaying that. Thank you, >> Eric. Anything from you? >> All right. Um, >> nothing additional from me. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, I'm going to ask the same question Eric asked about response times. Do you have any data about that? >> I don't, but I can pull that. Um, our response times are I take them with a slight grain of salt because there can be a human error factor in those. Um, if I am dispatched to a call and I fail to announce that I'm on scene and I just get out, it's going to show I went from in route to call complete. So, it's going to make it look like the response time >> 37 minutes, >> right? Um, and there have been times where we can call that out on the radio and for whatever reason the uh dispatcher doesn't know that we have arrived on scene. Sure. >> Uh, but we can at least get a general idea as to what response time looks like. >> Okay. Um, when you said that there are, and I'm going to be all over the place here. Um when you said there are two to three deputies on a shift, that's the coverage area of Carver and Victoria, >> correct? >> Okay. Um >> so we have in just so everybody if everybody's not aware, um between the city of Carver and Victoria, we obviously share police coverage. Um we have seven days a week. We have a daytime deputy that works 6:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. And we also have what we would call a power shift deputy that works 300 p.m. to 3:00 a.m. 7 days a week. Uh we then have a night deputy that works our team one night patrol schedule which is every Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, every other Saturday. They work 6 pm to 6 am and then you have me Monday through Friday approximately 9 to5 is what my usual shift is. So we have an opening on our team two patrol shift which is the Wednesday, Thursday, Friday every other Saturday that is open right now. There's there's uh nobody in that possible shift right now. So when we just when I just mentioned about kind of the time frames that I've been noticing up there, which I'm sure it's not just during those time frames, do we not have general coverage during that time? I maybe I missed the time >> during the day. >> Yeah. Like Well, cuz I, you know, I was talking about up on 11 here was like that kind of 7:30ish to 8:30 mark. Do we have an officer on? >> Yes. >> Yep. >> Which was that one? >> That we have day we have two day deputies that work opposite days. 6:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. >> Okay, perfect. Thanks. So there's always someone on during the day. And then at from 3:00 to 5:00 Monday through Friday, there's three of us on just in Carver and Victoria. And that does not include what we would call our general patrol deputies that cover a large uh more of the township area, but they can still respond to calls in Carver when we're tied up or we need backup or one of us is off. And I think it's a team of five deputies including yourself, right? With one opening right now. >> Yes. >> Okay. Is that that opening's been open for a bit? >> Correct. And that that opening was converted from that spot to my spot when Carver and Victoria uh moved to a sergeant as the liaison. >> Okay. So it >> So my spot is new to the city to to the two cities. >> Okay. But it will only be a team of four then or there's still an opening. There is we've got four patrol deputies currently. >> Actually, I take that back. We have five. >> Okay. >> Plus myself. So, we have a team one night, two team uh day shift, and we have two power. So, we've got we've got one that works Sunday, Monday, Tuesday nights, every other Saturday, 6P to 6A. Seven days a week. There's someone on 6:00 in the morning to 6:00 at night and then the two power deputies that come on and work 3:00 p.m. to 3:00 a.m. opposite days and then myself. So, six including me that are assigned just to the cities of uh Carver and Victoria, >> but still one opening correct among those. Okay. Okay. Um, switching topics, um, the topic of ebikes had come up during one of our county leaders meetings, which is, um, with the school district and all of the cities in eastern Carver County. Is there any way, and I've had a couple residents reach out to me saying, "What can we do? What can't we do? Would the sheriff's department ever put out a social media post on the guidelines and what's an ebike, what's an emoto, who can ride it, who has to wear a helmet, who can't ride it?" Um, I know you're not the communications department, but the request was asked there, too. And it would be great if the city could have something that we could share given that you're our law enforcement. I've seen some other communities do it, and I think it's fairly uniform state law that we're following, but correct. Um, it would be awesome. >> Um, they they are a little bit of a um it's almost a catch 22. We aggressively go out and enforce them and then people Why are you the fun police? You're We don't enforce them and an ebike goes flying down a trail and hits somebody that's walking. Why aren't you out in >> They're They're tough. Um, >> as someone who loves her ebike, I am in favor of you enforcing it. Mhm. >> So, we I will work with our social media team on getting something out because it is the appropriate time of the year for us to be posting something like that. >> Yeah, that'd be great. And a good segue into my next question. Speaking of appropriate time of the year, it seems like this is the time of the year when the weather gets warmer that we always hear of folks who have folks um come to our community and break into their cars, but these cars are unlocked and may have items of value in there. Can you give us your stump speech on why that's a bad idea and how folks should handle that? >> I do not want to sound like I'm >> at all victim blaming, but if you take away the opportunity, you take away the crime. Um, we have gotten the message out there and preached from the highest hill we can find till we're blue in the face. Lock your cars. If you have valuables, secure them hidden prior to you arriving where you're going. Cuz to take a minute and put it under your seat or in your trunk after you get where you're going um is almost defeats the purpose when they're breaking into vehicles. Most of the time they're going to try the door and that's only when they see something they want. If the door is locked and they see a purse, a laptop, a wallet, they're going to typically use a window punch, which makes little to no noise. I mean, it's a poof. Would that be a good Yep. >> So, unless you are right next to it, you're not going to hear it. They're not swinging a crowbar at windows. Um and almost exclusively if there's credit cards in what's taken they are immediately used at pick your merchant to and typically it's to buy gift cards. So they're buying Visa gift cards whatever prepaid gift card you can imagine. Um, and they can be diff. It's almost easier to track the use of the gift cards or the purchasing of gift cards than it is to prove the mayor's the one that broke into the car. I can say you went to Target in Chesa and used Tim's credit card, but I can't necessarily prove you're the one that broke into Tim's car. We know you did, but it's not it's not always what we know. It's what we can prove. >> All right. Thank you. That's it for my questions. >> So, in town here, we aggressive. I'm constantly in the parks, anywhere where people want to park and go for a walk because that's where we're seeing this type of stuff happen. Um, it would be in the community park over lunch in Lions Park and it happens so fast. I mean, people can lock their car, walk away, and a minute later somebody breaks in. Speaking of parks, this is also the time of year where a little bit of mischief often starts to happen um in our parks when it comes to some vandalism. So, uh I know you guys are driving through the parks. Lions Park is a great one because the shelter's tucked back. They love to spray paint that shelter. So, can we maybe remind the officers too to just kind of be swinging into the parks to make sure that the shelters aren't getting >> um I sent out an extra patrol directed patrol to all of our deputies earlier today uh specific to just that. Oh, >> okay. Perfect. >> All right, I think that's all we have. Thank you guys. >> Thank you. I do have one follow the law enforcement piece just >> if the council remembers you have a piece in your strategic plan related to kind of law enforcement kind of community planning or um visioning for that and for many years we've operated under a work plan through the sheriff's office and so uh Sergeant Baker and I have been talking about that we want to bring that forward to uh the council for discussion and kind of re-imagining or reinventing that The existing plan is multiple pages that it's a collection of I would say random comments from the last 15 to 20 years and all of a sudden you have a list of 15 streets that you should be checking speeding on. Whereas if you don't see your street on there, all of a sudden there's unintended consequences of why not my street, why that street. And so we're going to pose some questions to you to get you thinking about uh what does uh success look like for law enforcement? How do you want to be communicated with uh on events uh kind of major pieces of how you want public safety adopted? That's maybe in a more clear and concise one pager rather than three to four pages and then expecting uh patrol deputies to kind of memorize that. if we can give the message to our sergeant and then have uh them um share that out, we think we're better set up for success with that. So, uh I think we're scheduled for the first work session in June, sec first or second work session in June. But I just wanted to tee that up and get you thinking about uh law enforcement and planning in a in more of a planful way rather than a like a tactical way like the feedback that the council gave tonight on checking parks and looking for vandalism. Those are all things that we can do daytoday and we can continue that but we don't necessarily need that in a plan to say check parks and check you know knock on doors if a garage door is open that stuff will happen. And so what are the things that you don't think would happen unless you name it and prioritize it within the context of a plan? I miss anything on that Sarge? >> No, that that sounds perfect. I think what one of the things Brent and I have talked about is trying to move away from the boilerplate as as he pointed out last 15 years. If you looked at one from 2015 versus 2026 probably doesn't look a lot different. We would like to move away from that and make it a little more meaningful um for all the all the reasons Brent mentioned. >> Sounds good. Thank you. Um, up next we have the 10-year staffing plan update. Mr. Mer. >> Yeah, thank you, mayor and councel. So, a followup from your last work session. The council asked for some additional information on the full-time fire chief's position related to uh Chaza and Chanhassen and then uh excuse me, some information related to information technology specialist at the city of Victoria. So, I took on the fire chief's uh stuff and then uh Brenda Good uh connected with Victoria. Uh in the memo, you can see the followup. Neither Chaz or Chan hasn't connected their uh desire to add a full-time position to population. And I thought Chaza's um justification for it was probably the most spot-on were and uh they compared it to like a city administrator position. No matter the population of your community, whether it's 3,000 or 5,000 or 10,000, there typically is one. And really, it's akin to the administration of that position, human resources, communication, uh, as Chief Walsh could attest to, the reporting uh, that goes into it. the ironically the call volume is probably the you know the least significant related to the position even though it does help to have that daytime coverage. Um but they they function um relatively the same. uh Chad Hass did a a complete study that went kind of a toz through their department, not just the fire chief's position, but they looked at compensation and a number of factors related to response times, um duty crews, etc. So, that was a little bit more comprehensive than the uh CHASA justification uh model, if you will. So, happy to answer any questions. Chief Walsh is here too that he can provide uh a probably more uh specific context should you uh have questions related to the position. >> The information from Chaza and Chanfire, did that come from the city managers or from the fire chiefs themselves? >> Managers, Lori and Matt. >> Okay. >> And then on information technology, I'm just going to kind of breeze through that. I think the uh Brenda did a great job in providing some details. I think the the key metric here is looking at um what they're what Victoria spit with atomic. We actually had Atomic at one point. Uh we use Laughler now, but our IT out-of- pocket costs are about 50,000. So if you use that same metric, we probably aren't in the range of cost savings um that Victoria is getting. And you can see that that position also does a variety of other tasks. Um so I would I would offer that the position will surely be needed in the future. I uh editorial here. I think it would be a stretch at at least within the next you know 3 to 5 years but again it's something that that I think we should be constantly monitoring and uh managing looking at our cost but also looking at our internal processes and workloads uh to ensure that we don't get behind um in adding that position. But again uh those are our perspectives based on the information that we received. Uh, happy to answer any questions either for me, Chief Walsh, or or Brenda >> questions. >> All right. I don't hear any. >> So, any changes to the plan or are we Where is the council at with that? >> We're still at what 2036 for the IT manager position? >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Okay. Um, and when we did the planning for that, did we I mean what was the calculus for savings generated for that person? Did we have any there or did we just see it as an expense for that 20 36 year? >> I would say it kind of using our kind of justification model. We we didn't as a conceptual piece we didn't do a deep dive on um the cost modeling just with the exception of understanding that we have uh 50,000 in costs. So um you know using roughly the uh the same methodology as Victoria uh I think you could probably estimate that you could save roughly half. So you could save maybe in the neighborhood of 20 to 25,000 uh which I don't believe would or which wouldn't fund a position but I think as as we draw closer um and if the council wanted to move that up into the conceptual category uh or you want to move it to a transition category where we're doing some heavier analysis um we can certainly do that as well. So the full uh kind of board of options is available to the council. Well, I think having some idea here that uh you know whatever percentage of the cost to that person is saved in in things that we're paying to not just directly for IT support, but I mean this study goes on to talk about some other things that this person does that we also pay for. Uh again, I'm not sure 2036 is soon enough, but you know, that's a feeling, I guess. I just uh seems like we've got some numbers to to support that that person's going to help pay for their wages in in savings to the city. And does that move it forward? Um what does council think? I guess for me I'm much more comfortable. Just a really quick snip though is for the fire chief being 2028. I appreciate the information that you got. I think not that it it's super in-depth, but it's nice to hear just kind of the the real conversation about here's why we why we did it. So, um that one makes better sense to me now for 2028. Um so, thank you for that. And you know, Eric, 2036, yes, is seems like a lifetime away, but um I just I I I don't know that with all of the really when I look at the other positions that are coming up before that that I think moving the IT specialists forward right now makes sense. I think that so much of what we have here is really making the city, you know, function when it comes to, you know, streets and all of those other things. And who knows, you know, I mean, in in six years, people may whoever's on the council may look at this and say, "No, nope. We need to move this up." For me, right now, I just don't see the need to move it up yet. I'm feeling the same way regarding the IT manager. Um I don't know if you guys need to jiggle the mouse. Um I I'm feeling the same way regarding the IT manager. I think um like even if we moved it up five years, that would move it from the conceptual phase to the transition phase. And I just that still feels so far away. like respectfully, I'm not sure how much time we need to spend figuring that out. I also feel pretty strongly in that we have hired a company to do this work for us. So much like how we have a a city engineer that's kind of a outside bender, if you will, we have the breadth and depth of the entire company and their resources to work for us for what's a smaller number than I think what an FTE would cost. And you know, it's Laughafler that we have right now. Laughler doesn't go on vacation. >> Laughler doesn't, you know, need time off to get their gallbladder removed, which like that's totally fine and that happens with employees, but I think we just have something that is for sure for right now. So, I don't know that we need to to move that up. Um, as far as the fire chief, I just remember Cali talking to us probably last year at this time and him saying, "We really need a full-time fire chief." And I was like, "Let's do it in 2026." So, for me, the midpoint of what are we having in here for 2028 feels like a compromise and that's about as far as I would like to to compromise. I feel like that's a very big need in our community. >> Do All right. Well, I don't think um we're going to move the needle on this, but my final thoughts are >> most efficiencies are gained through technology. >> And Laughler, while they're, I'm sure, wonderful at responding to our asks, they're not looking for needs. They're responding to our asks. And that's a difference in having an employee for the city. But it can we'll wait and maybe another city council make a different decision. I do have one question on the fire chief. Go ahead. Um, so we have that as a July one start. Uh, remind me why we did that rather than a Jan one. >> It's a way to kind of navigate the budget impact. So rather than um budgeting for the entire salary in 28, you only have to do half of it and then the other you have to budget the full half in 29. Mhm. >> Uh but it's a strategy uh that we've used with other positions as you can see with the sheriff's office or public services technicians. You certainly >> uh could do it in January of 28. Um but with you know one of the data inputs that we added for this year's plan update as we show salary and benefits. So you're you're likely in the range of like $150,000. So, it's a matter of do you want to add 150 to 28 or do you want to do 75 and 28 and build kind of some budget stamina for 29 when you do the 150? Um, and frankly, part of my calculus with that was just understanding uh the likelihood of adding debt service for public services, county road projects, and so just trying to manage um some future budget expenses that are kind of TBD right now, but that we know are going to be significant. >> Okay, that's perfect. Thank you. >> Did everybody else have any other thoughts on that? No. Okay. All right. Um Okay. Do you have what you need from us? >> Yes. Thank you. >> Okay. Um moving on to the 10-year facilities plan update. Uh Mr. Simmons and Mr. Mayor, >> you pulling it up, Bren? You want me to pull it up? What do you got? I got it. All right. Um share All right. Thank you, Mayor and Council. Um, can you see it? >> We're good. >> It's really going to annoy me that's behind me. >> We're fixing We're working on that. >> Yeah. Um, so looking at the 10-year facility plan, if we remember last year, uh, when we did a lot of these updates, there were seemed like there were a lot of big changes and hopefully, uh, this year we don't have too many big changes. Maybe just a reordering of projects. Um, but looking at the facilities plan, we kind of have about four projects on there. Um there wasn't much change from last year. So next year we'll be tackling uh building repairs and painting my church by the river. Um the biggest change in this plan from last year is moving the public services facility from 28 to 27. As we kind of talked about uh was that last month already? and you know some of the financial impacts of maybe getting out ahead of that uh before uh costs go up even higher. um 2029 looking at, you know, city hall maintenance if there's carpet or other things around this building as that's 10 years old. And then fast forwarding to Carver Station. Um and just pocketing away some cash for the roof project there since that will be uh 20 year 20 years old then. Um, so just trying to get ahead of that. If that is functioning the way it's functioning in 2026 or 2025, we don't know. But, um, that's kind of the outlay of the facilities plan. Um, if there's any questions or comments or concerns, we can go over those. And >> I can just jump in, but we added some financial some more financial pieces here. Again, what you're doing tonight and looking at these plans is you're not approving anything. What you're agreeing to is including these in your overall financial analysis and then getting that back. And so, uh, just providing some data related to the past space assessment, identified a deficiency of about 37,000 square feet in public services. Uh the council authorized a design to meet a 20-year need, which the study had identified about 82,000 square feet for a 20-year need. And so we're anticipating at your second meeting in July, we should be able to show you a floor plan, building elevations, updated cost structure. So, um some of these numbers are actually out of date already, but this is based on our current data. So, we're not quite ready to produce those until we get to July. Uh the one thing I wanted to just kind of drill down to just to kind of uh add to the expectations that we talked about at your previous work session is uh we had $35 million based on that study and based on kind of our uh past engagement with the community on this. But just highlighting that $1.7 million has been identified as the cost savings or the delta between doing a spring and a fall bid in 27. Um, and then just based on that number, and again that's a sliding scale based on uh market, there'd be about a $44 monthly tax impact or $528 annually on a $500,000 home with that budget. And again, but that's a budget in a vacuum because you're not just when you budget in 20 for 28, you won't just be budgeting for the public services building and that debt if or whatever that looks like. that debt will be included in the entire spectrum of budget decisions you make for that year. So whether it's street maintenance, the general fund budget, and so you'll be able to tweak that based on the realities that you're dealing with in that uh sense. But uh that's based on a 20-year uh need debt service would be corresponding to that over 20 years. And again, those are things that you can play around with as this process unfolds. uh when we get a new number in in July, uh we'll be able to redo those calculations, but this gives you a good snapshot what we've been talking about of how conditions exist today. Um and then just floating back into the church by the river discussion, the council did set aside, I think it was $30,000 uh last year for the church by the river cost. So, there would be a $45,000 allocation in 27 to complete that project. And I believe uh Andrew, that's siding, doors, kind of miscellaneous repairs, correct? >> Yeah. >> So, >> all right. Any questions, comments? I I need a reminder and I could probably drive by there too, but did we do the new roof >> on Church by the River? >> I think we did that a couple years ago, did we not? >> I believe so. We'd have to check with Paul. I don't >> That'd be before. >> Yeah. The roof isn't included. >> Like two years ago. >> The roof isn't included with this scope of work >> is not included. >> Correct. Okay. I don't know what >> I think it was. Um, any other questions, comments? Eric, anything from you? Um, so thank you for putting those numbers in there, Brent. I appreciate it. That makes the city hall project, understanding that it's a sliding scale, and this is the first time we're taking a look at it, um, that makes it a little bit more clear as to what the potential tax impact could be. as it relates to the facilities plan. I think I just want to remind our tens and tens of folks who are watching this that this is just a plan. We're not going to spend $50,000 on city hall if we haven't identified a need in 2029. Um I think as we move that up, if there is a need, let's be more specific in that the next time we see that. So, if it is, the carpet looks great, but if we need a paint job or whatever that might be, like let's be a little bit more clear in that when it moves to the budget phase. Um, and other than that, I didn't have any comments. >> I have one. >> Go ahead. >> Um, so when we're looking forward at Carver Station roof, I mean, 35,000 in 2023 is a long ways away, but this is a little bit more. Okay. So, the questions I have is we have a huge parking lot up there and we have a small building that's used right now for the library drop off. Have we thought reimagining that or imagining that in general what that could be up there? Because while it's nice to own a city parking lot, it doesn't really it's not really adjacent to any of our city buildings or functions. So, is it something where we can sell half of it off to a developer and they can put row of town homes up there or I just it's nice, like I said, the size of the town right now, it gives us a place that we can do things like the vehicle fair and and things like that. And yes, we do have the buses coming in for special events, but most of the time besides people who um are parking for those things or the farmers market, which there's other places in town that could, you know, certainly fit these things as well, um we're kind of just sitting on some space up there and eventually that parking lot's going to need to be, you know, resurfaced or whatever it looks like. And we have a building that's used for not much. and what could be done. Obviously, it's not something I'm looking for that anyone has an idea of. I don't have an idea of it, but I think maybe it's something we need to start thinking about. Um, and maybe we just want it the way it is. That's fine, too. But for me, it just seems like we have a lot of unused space up there that just sits except for a handful of special event times during the year. >> That's on the city attorney's to-do list. We I think we talked about that a last fall. We acquired that with federal funds. And so Dave is >> kind of trying to untie some of those knots and understand >> um if we acquired it with those funds, what are the requirements or covenants related to a sale and how do those funds need to be kept? Do they have to be returned? Um and so that's in process, but all very good thoughts. >> Okay. Thanks. >> All right. Thank you. Um, moving on to the 10-year parks plan update, Mr. Simmons and Miss Smith. Okay, moving to parks. Um, you know, again, very similar. Um, let's fast forward to the budget. That's the interesting thing I think here. So right now the park improvement fund balance is I would say in its growing stage. We don't have a lot of capital to work with. Um so it's kind of building up that bank roll before we can do a project. So um I think the the big question on the parks plan is what do you want to tackle first? and it's probably a few years out yet before anything um substantially can get done. So, we have right now we have community park playground in 29, you know, and that's about $500,000 uh investment there, which will shrink our cash balance back down to about 15,000. And then we have a a time where we can build that bankroll again and then go after shelter. And then, you know, as we get into the the mid uh 2030s, we should be able to do a few more projects after that. But, um, that's kind of where the park plan is right now. Um, be very happy to talk about anything that you guys have some feelings on if you're had a chance to go through it. Um, >> I just want to be super clear. This is nothing to do with park dedication. This is just purely maintenance. >> This is just all separate. This is the park improvement fund. So, we're going to kind of separate those two things right now because they're um completely different pots of money. So, this is we're looking at existing parks, how we're replacing them, how we're taking care of them. Um you know, we have a lot of old playground equipment um at Community Park and Lions Park and um shelters that are that are getting to the same age. So, um, how we're going to attack to replace all these things as they're needed. >> Andrew, are you familiar with the group Kaboom? >> So, it's a nonprofit and what they do, their mission is to have a play space within walking distance of every child in the United States. Um, and they in a previous role that I was in, they build they're in the business of building playgrounds. And um what they do is they get third-party kind of corporate funders in. So the community has to do some fundraising, but it's essentially a gifted playground that they have volunteers help build and it's built throughout a day. They do all the site prep work, but then they have volunteers putting together the playground components. And that feels like something I don't know if the city of Carver would qualify, but it certainly feels like something that we should look into. Um, especially seeing the price tags on a playground and then seeing that we need not one but one, two, at least three of them repaired, replaced in the next 10 years. Mhm. >> So, I wonder if we could we look a little bit more into that to see if that's something that the city of Carva would qualify for if we can because I think it's a yearslong process um of getting a funer identified and getting folks um to participate. There is and I think um in the playgrounds that we did there's a sign that is maybe I don't know maybe 24 by 36 that has kaboom and the logo on there and then the instructions for a playground or the the rules for a playground and then in the bottom it has um a smaller logo for the funer. So there may be a larger conversation that I don't want to get into tonight about um like naming rights, but there is just that little logo that's on a sign like that. So yeah, I also would we can't you know for the Lions Park, if I remember correctly, the Lions, we put the playground in there back in the day. I don't know if they they may have purchased it. So, not that we can necessarily say that that we can't earmark that right here in this plan, but I think that when it comes to the Lions Park playground um and the fields that it might be at the time definitely worth talking to the Lions Club about putting some dollars towards that. >> So, um and we have because the gambling is going so well for the Lions that we actually have some extra money, right, Tim? So, um, so anyways, I'm not sure how >> Yeah, additional funding partners is what we're encouraging. >> So, keep that in mind, too. For Lions, >> grant opportunities. I know a couple other communities as I've been researching playground equipment because it is expensive. I have seen some that have gotten grants to, you know, put in some pieces of equipment. So, there are opportunities, but >> yeah, I know count on them >> really successful in getting grants. So, any way that we could do that? >> Wait, can I ask a question for the Lions one or just I guess for all the playground ones? Um, the 300,000 what is included? Obviously, it's the play equipment, but are you talking about edging and >> the frames and all that stuff? >> Definitely. You know, I think we need to discuss, you know, that more. um community park playground has a big container right now. Um so maybe that doesn't need to completely change. Maybe some one side of it needs to be changed. I think there's a a great opportunity for community park to turn into something, you know, kind of refreshed from not being touched for a while. Um, so it's probably working with a landscape architect like, you know, we have this existing, what can we use? What needs to be replaced? How can we save money and put money towards me equipment? Or maybe we want the port in place rubber to focus on, you know, so there's different opportunities to maybe we get a smaller equipment, but we get more port in place or maybe we have less port in place rubber and we have bigger equipment. You know, there's a lot of those types of things. So, a little bit concerned when you're talking about having a landscape architect come in um for this because that's going to eat up some of the funds and when it comes to the play equipment. I mean, we have very smart people on staff as well, but your distributors and your vendors for that should be able to advise on some of those material. >> A lot of that um especially with the fall protection and like the the spacing, they're critical on that. >> But if we're talking about master planning like a whole the park area then I think we would want to have at least some visioning. >> We use folks on Erin's team too so they work. >> Okay, thanks Aaron. >> Okay, thank you. >> I have a question. Um but and first also feedback. Thank you for ex kind of separating out what's park improvement versus the park dedication. I think often um it's a challenge to communicate with residents like why are you spending the money on this and that? So helping us communicate that is great. >> This um slide that you're on the page two if you scroll up I'm curious as to how Carver Creek phase two is improvement. I wasn't understanding that would be park dedication is phase two >> creek side. >> Creek side. Sorry I said that wrong. Creek said >> it it will be it we removed it and we the TBD items we didn't uh we just omitted so that that can be corrected. >> Thank you. >> Anything from you Eric? >> No. Okay. I have one more. So the Riverside boat launch is on here that is owned by the DNR correct? No, we own it. >> We did that change parking lot, but not >> We own the whole thing. >> How does >> Is that new? >> We've been told we've The DNR's had forb as long as I've been in this town. >> I've never been told the DNR owns any part of it. So, if that's information you have, it'd be new to me. >> Okay. I think we should maybe just check on that so that we know for sure because we I was always told that the bolt launch itself was DNR because it's on the waterway. and the parts >> because we don't get any funds for them from them. They don't maintain it. >> Okay. >> So, we can verify that. >> Can we just clarify that? >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> From long ago. >> Um, >> but yeah, so we I mean because the parking lot is ours and the solar lights and all of that, but I was under the impression that the actual launch itself because it was DNR. So, I'm glad someone else. I that like opens up more questions that I have. But um because I'm not going into where the construction area is like I'm staying on, you know, this good side of the trail. Um has it been rerouted? >> In the park yesterday's down there. It's a little overgrown. >> Um >> yeah, it's a jungle >> for a while. Um just to allow for the construction and like we rented out the Riverside Park for construction staging. Is that right? >> Yeah, it should be I think we're anticipating around June it'll be open just the boat launch uh because our levy >> and that's not my concern when the boat launch opens is because it used to just like dump straight out into the middle of the river but then when they were doing the work didn't they kind of move it? >> No, that's all been taken out. >> Has it all been put back the way it was found? >> Yes. I mean not put back. It's reconstructed with the bridge there, but the boat launches will function exactly how it had been. And the boat launch wasn't touched as a part of the construction. >> Okay. They built like a causeway down to the river and that's all been removed and rip wrapped and um will kind of align with our certified levy project once that commences. >> Okay. >> All right. Any other questions? >> Okay. Um do you have what you need from us on parks? >> Yeah. So we'll make that correction. get phase two out of there. But I I'm not hearing any changes uh to the plan that's been presented. Correct. >> Nor am I. >> Okay. >> Next year. >> Sounds good. Uh 10ear streets plan update. Mr. Simmons and Mr. Schmidt. >> Aaron is handing this. >> Everything is 10 years. Everything is 10 years today. Yes. All right. >> Uh, yeah, I'm good. I'm just look at the pictures. Um, so thank you for the time to discuss our 10ear streets plan. Um, I think what will be helpful is maybe we zip ahead and talk about maybe the Millan overlay projects in the next couple years and then we can circle back to the uh kind of the cover page overview which has some larger uh discussion topics that we were hoping to discuss tonight. So >> sure, just let us know what page you're on when you say zip ahead. >> So looking at the PMP, the pavement management plan, uh if you remember last year, we ran went out last year and raided all the streets, which gave us uh some good eyes on the roads as to what was what. Uh we have a new top five lowest ranking roads if you're into that type of thing. We have Broadway That north Broadway section is kind of leapfrogs to the to the number one spot. Uh Main Street West, East Pine East, the east half of White Pine Way. Kind of confusing because it was kind of in separate chunks there. Old Carver Road and then Spring Creek Drive. So, uh in the last couple years, we've taken off the other five, top five. So, we've really started to whittle down this list uh and make some great progress. So, we went out, rated all the streets 1 to 10, 10 to one where the one is the worst. Um let's zip to the maps quick here. Sorry. >> Can I interrupt you because I think this is a great opportunity to talk about milan overlay versus reclaim. So, we look at your top five like worst and I don't see any of those in the 2026 project. No, I'm >> not sure if any are in the 2027 project. And can you talk just real quickly again for folks who might be watching about how they're probably too far gone >> and there are others and there's probably an economic component of it too. >> Yes. Uh what was the top five here? I forget. >> So the this takes out so 2026 is not included in this just because it's the the 2027 plan. So obviously Mount Hope Road will be happening this year in 2026 which was was on the prior list. >> Oh okay. >> Um and then some of the streets in the in the Bluffs neighborhood were also on that list. So um they're just not represented here because this is the 2027 to 2036 plan. >> Okay. Well then never minds >> assuming those things all get done this year. They'll drop off the list. >> Okay. Fantastic. We're kind of fast forwarding. >> This is in the future. >> Okay. Got it. So, all the streets that uh hopefully are getting approved tonight at the council meeting, we're considering those done uh for 27, which they did get highlighted green on the overall pavement map. >> Um so, you can see hopefully in 27 we're going to finish off the bluffs um and turn those orange and yellow streets green. Um, we have Mount Hope going from, you know, what it was yellow to to green. Um, but the town is slowly turning green and then it's going to slowly turn light green and then yellow. Um but that is the point of our payment management program where we understand where you know we want more streets that are seven eights nines than we have you know threes and fours. So we have pavement age where you know Broadway north of Sixth Street is our oldest section in town. Um and that's reflected on you know when you're driving that that section of road. um you know some old streets in the bluffs that have not been retouched um since they got put in, but you know, we're getting after those. So, >> that map that you just showed, this is a minor request for next year, but could you use more of the color spectrum because I'm not sure that your eyes are younger than mine, but I don't know know that my old eyes can tell the difference when I'm looking at this map between a nine or a 10 or a >> four and a three. So, the other maps are plenty colorful and easy to distinguish between. >> I think it's good that they're all slightly the same color >> rather than if there was one big section that was red. >> Sure. >> Um, you know, it's a feature. >> That's just my opinion. >> I would rather have it all green. That would be awesome. >> We're not going to get there. >> All right. So this is a cool graph that we that I like to include every year where we have the age of the pavement and like how many square yards of that pavement that we have. So if you look like year fivey old pavement, we have a lot of it. >> Andrew, can you zoom in a little bit? >> Oh, that's so small up there. >> Right. I'm sorry. >> Speaking of old eyes, >> thank you. >> That's why I don't like it, too. Same. It was plenty big on my screen right there on that one though. >> Half my age. >> This is a really cool graphic because it shows us, you know, where we have these large sections of pavement and how old they are. And sometimes they correlate with street projects that we got done that year, but more often than not, they correlate with development. So, you know, five, six years ago, you had a lot of development. We had a lot of new pavement going down. So, you have these big spikes in pavement. So, as that continues out to that 20-year mark where we're starting to look at milling overlays and reclaims, that big chunk is going to have to get probably broken down into multiple years. Um, because the dashed line is kind of the amount of payment that we're able to tackle each year. So, you know, Broadway is a big chunk of pavement the way it sits right now. So, how did you know that number 33 was Broadway? >> It's on the page. >> It's on the page before >> the age map. >> Oh, okay. >> So, so let's go ahead and go to the projects for 2027 on the project map. And these are all kind of listed in detail in the individual years, but as a whole 27 will be finishing up the bluffs and Overlook and what is that one? >> Both Overlook Lane and Overlook Drive. >> Um and then Lylewood and then Old Carver Road is maybe 2027. That's one of the topics of conversation. Uh 2028 is the area of Spring Creek and Spring Creek Drive. Uh what is 29? 29 is the Hackberry, Aspen, and um White Pine Way. Right. >> That area. And then I think we start to move downtown. So we have the east side of downtown, then the west side of downtown, um, Broadway in 2030. So just kind of piecing off these chunks of of town as they continue to age. Mostly we're staying, I would say, on the east side of JCP. And as those roads on the west side start to age, then we're going to probably jump over to there, you know, in the late 2030s, mid 2030s. But that's kind of our plan right now. Um, should we look at cash flow quickly? Everyone's interested in that. Erin, do you want to talk about cash flow at all or? >> Sure. So, um, the main changes from the prior plan included, um, from a from an allocation standpoint, I had included $350,000 a year for MSAS funds, so municipal state aid street funds. Um, last year we got about $390,000 um, allocated. So where I had previous assumed a flat amount from a couple years ago, we we kind of chewed that up based on what we actually think is going to be hopefully reality um based on where we are today and then just doing a a 3% multiplier I believe we used uh year-over-year. So that would basically assume you know not getting any additional mileage as well. So, I think this is still a pretty conservative approach for a cash flow, which is I think I think good thing to be at. Um, the other change is the prior plan had um we were flat at 770,000 year-over-year for the uh local street maintenance component. And what we did here, we worked with um Lynn and Andrew obviously and we had kind of ratcheted that up gradually year-over-year just to start building a fund balance. As you can see here, we're we're sitting in a pretty good spot. Um at the end of the 10-year plan, we're projecting about 3 million in the in the street account, which is a good spot to be in because, you know, as Andrew alluded to, we're going to have some of these big chunks we're going to have to take off at some point. So, we want to start building a fund balance now so we can do, you know, a bigger project here and there. For example, you know, we're going to be doing a million dollars on uh Mount Hope this year. So, you got to start thinking a little bit um long term, too. So, which is why we increase the cash flow. >> And it's also something that hopefully presents or prevents us from having to do more reclamations. So if you think about the bluffs took us or will take us 3 years, you know, if we plan for this delicately but intentionally, you could perhaps avoid having to do some additional reclamations because you can do a whole neighborhood in one year with the cash balance rather than splitting it up. Again, it has to be thoughtful and mindful of the tax impact. Uh so that's where you can see us departing from that $100,000 increase to you know we have 10 thou you know basically $10,000 increments every other year since the fund has been uh built up. And then um basically in summary the the year of the projects and kind of the makeup of the projects in the near term really didn't change from last year to this year. So that's all constant. Um the only other thing we added from a from a maintenance standpoint was we added uh $25,000 a year assumed um for crack sealing. We want to really start being more intentional about the crack sealing program and Andrew you can talk to that. That's something that has been I'd say probably neglected a little bit. Yeah, I think it's, you know, we do a great job of um seal coating a lot of roads, but you know, as the initial pavement goes down and then, you know, the two years following that, the cracks develop, it's really important to jump on those cracks and seal those so that water intrusion doesn't get into those cracks and freeze and break up our roads. So, um hopefully this summer we will be you'll see some uh toilet paper on the streets as we do some crack sealing. >> Um >> can you go unless you have something to go along with that. I had one more question for Brent on that last slide >> but I did but if you what you're talking about >> pertains to it has nothing to do with >> um okay I just want to make sure Brent that I understood you correctly. So um when we talk about the additional allocation in that column so if we're looking at 2027 to 2028 the additional allocation so we we have 745,000 that we're allocating the next year we're only going up by whatever that well >> 50 >> 50 >> 50,000 >> but then yeah I know >> but then it goes to 10 and is that because we've talked about this and being careful because We have some really big expenditures coming out with city hall and where can we shave and push back if we have to and delay a little bit and not that we want to but there's only so much money in the pot, right? And we have to still have an affordable place for people to live. So is that why we go from 50 then to 28 is the the 10,000 the 10,000 the 10,000 >> in in part? Yes. I mean, I would say the the bulk of it is because you've built that budget muscle up so much that you don't have to do larger. Now, you could, you know, if you talk to the public services team, they would like to see more because they know the more you invest, the less you have to do reclamations or total reconstructs. Uh, but this funds the plan uh with the vision that you and the council had discussed about. uh we can't if everything's a priority nothing is um type of thing. >> Okay. And so I'm sorry remind me 2026 what our allocation was >> 720 >> 720 >> 720 okay so we're I guess we're already used to having that as part of our >> Yeah it's been going up a h 100,000 from like 80,000 five or six years ago. >> Uh but it's been going up in $100,000 increments. So this year based on the plan it would go up by about half that amount. >> Okay. And then we'll kind of just see that half and then a little bit lower. So I really appreciate that and this is really nice to see. Again, we're we're kind of used to this chunk coming out and to see that it's not going to be huge on top of it is going to is good. Thank you. I would like to I'll need Erin and Andrew's help, but I would like to run through those five discussion points that they identified in the overview just to kind of tee those up. So on the first page of the memo under the overview section, we talk about Old Carver Road. So that's a a project that we've been applying for uh local road improvement program grant funds for in 24 and 25 were unsuccessful. Uh we have a meeting scheduled with uh Mindot in June to kind of see where we missed or how we could make our application better. We finished one out of the funding. It is a very incompetitive process. So I don't I wouldn't necessarily say that we missed anything, but we're just looking to be more competitive if there's opportunities to be. Um Andrew and Aaron did identify that especially the old section of old Carver Road needs to be done. So, if we uh don't get funding in 26, uh we we'll want to have a conversation with the council on where do you want to go from there and to what degree you want to do some of the intersection improvements uh that have been identified previously. We've talked about Mount Hope. We've talked about Broadway. Maybe you do one, maybe you do none, and maybe you just do the the pavement reconditioning. Uh but just wanted to kind of get you thinking about that we do have county turnback funds that are sitting in an account um and have always contemplated some type of bond contribution depending upon the level of outside funding uh that we received. So I'll I'll just pause after each of these and see if we have questions for Aaron or Andrew or myself. If not, I'm just going to keep going. uh North Broadway as uh many of you know uh we have two homes on that section that used to be kind of the primary thoroughfare for the community. One of the things that we are talking about after you get to the kind of the last house on that kind of half culde-sac at the end, um rather than going that full street with to save cost, maybe making that a more traditional trail and so kind of reclaiming uh the kind of edges and just repaving as a 10-ft trail up into the Spring Creek trail system rather than having a full width road trail as it sits now. But, uh, if you walk it, you can see some deterioration. That's going to have to be a a reclamation. Uh, if you come up with any ideas that you can share with us related to how we could maybe not have to do the Broadway section for two, it's a lot of pavement restoration for two homes. Um, the reality is the topography in that section doesn't lend itself to any other access or alternative routes. So, I I think we might be uh stuck with that. Uh Monroe and Markets, uh we've had a handful of folks talk about uh enhanced pedestrian crossing. So, that's where a quick trip uh if you go south into Ironwood Park or the elementary school for uh enhanced pedestrian crossings. So, uh, as Carver Commons develops, uh, a new signal will be constructed at developer cost, which will include enhanced pedestrian crossings, a push button, uh, ped crossing. So, that's funded by the developer, but we just wanted to note that >> that's on the west side, the Quick Trip behind Quick Trip. >> No, South side, >> Monroe Drive and Market. I'm struggling with >> Oh, southwest. Yep. >> The existing crosswalk across Monroe from Quick Trip to Ironwood. >> Correct. >> Enhancing that. >> It will it will be enhanced as part of a signalized intersection. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Uh County Road 11 and 40. We talked about that quite a bit at your last work session. We had a really uh positive meeting with uh county highway staff last week and they're interested in exploring opportunities to try to get that project done. Uh Aaron Schmidt came up with an estimate that if we wouldn't do the full corridor, there would be if we had to do like a um extend utilities without a joint project, it would probably enhance. So more information to come on that. Um but essentially uh we're limited in requiring improvements only to the scope of um what the development is causing. So that could be turn lanes or a a one lane roundabout, but certainly not a two-lane roundabout and a corridor expansion of a county road. We can't link that to the development. And so that's going to provide some uh guard rails, if you will, to uh what the developer has to contribute. But uh the county is amanable to uh looking at this in a non-traditional way to try to get that project fasttracked knowing that um it would be coste effective and eliminate some construction fatigue the community might have. And then finally, this is an item on the uh consent agenda for tonight, but adjusted the mill and overlay to a reclamation on Spring Creek Drive, recognizing that uh that whole road is going to be reconstructed and by the time, frankly, that we get to it in 28, it could it'll likely be a reclamation. So, uh, contributing, I would say, quote unquote, our share towards that project at no interest, uh, having it be done this year, uh, rather than waiting till 2028. So, uh, we just wanted to highlight as a team those five areas that give the council an opportunity to discuss and debate and provide additional direction. Uh even though these five aren't really specific to the overall pavement plan and what you're levying toward, they're uh connected to street improvements and other sources of funding that you may consider in the future. >> All right. I have a really strange and outside the box for North Broadway. Okay. So, this is gonna Yep. You're gonna like all laugh. So, we have two homes, right? And that's a long stretch of road for two homes for just to redo that road, right? So once we get past, you know, we've got the turn the curve here to come on to Broadway and then we have that first home there. Past that. If we want to go cheap, turn it back to gravel, match the trail that Aaron put in. Um, it's for one home. We're paving a whole road for basically one house. So I would say, I don't know, really outside the box, have that have that be gravel up until you get to the the pave trail. Courtney's like, "Oh my word. But um it it it's a very it's seems like a lot of money for basically one home once you get up there. So I don't know. That's my two cents. Think about something a little different. >> Maybe the 10 maybe the 10 foot wild, you know, the trail comes down eventually, but maybe the that drive becomes how many 100 feet of gravel. >> I would support looking at, you know, something not traditional or creative outside the box. But when you do go on that north Broadway, then you keep going north that is paved. Yeah. But it's narrow. But then if you go pick up the trail that goes straight west, then that's gravel, which we wanted it to be. >> Yeah. >> Um or and just is that something where you make it a private road or it's it'll definitely look at some options. I don't but it doesn't seem worth the money. I don't know that we're there yet. Um I'm just thinking, you know, there's one house there. It is just one house, but that is a taxpayer. And what if we said, Chrissy, we're going to turn your road into gravel. I'm not sure that that would be super wellreceived. >> I don't know. >> I had a gravel alley in the back. >> That's a stretch. It's no longer gravel. >> Um it's been paid for years. Mhm. >> That doesn't mean you wanted to be, >> but it's like I just don't know that that would be a palatable like let's keep thinking, let's keep talking. >> Nobody today and put gravel down and think something different for an expensive road. >> Yeah. Yeah. Like it's a gut punch number to pave it for one home back there. Um >> well, does it have to follow the same interval for uh milloverlay that a welltraveled road does? Can't we just extend the useful life out of it? >> I would say it has got its useful life on that section of road. >> Okay, >> that's pretty rough up there. Um, we're kind of at time in keeping with our policy of ending these at around 650. So, um, do you guys want to continue talking about this during the meeting? >> I don't think I don't need to. >> No, I think this is Okay, then maybe I'll just put a pin in it. Um, I appreciate the old Carver Road timing. That seems more urgent than maybe anything else up here. Um, I appreciate the work that you're trying to do to get the the grant. I think we'll give it one more go and then it sounds like either way we've got to do it sooner rather than later. Do you guys need more from us than that? >> Okay. Nope, it was just a verification of the plan and then you know if there was any thing with those five discussion items that um um came to mind. So like my take away from that is on the north Broadway we can spend some time and research kind of out of the box thinking u but it's not something that we're going to need to do this year but by the ne you know next time we present next uh May we might have some scenarios for you to consider as a part of that. >> Great. Thank you. >> Um we'll hold everything else for the meeting meeting. Can I get a motion to adjurnn? >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn. I'm gonna give it to Eric and I think I heard the second from I will take the second. All those in favor say I need a roll call. >> Oh, I'm sorry. We need a roll call vote. >> Council member Pasco >> I. >> Council member Conrad >> I. >> Council member Ser >> I. >> Council member Hershman >> I. Mayor Johnson.