This transcript features the Planning Commission meeting. Based on the names provided and the context of the dialogue, here is the attributed transcript. **Note on "Neil":** While not on your primary list, the speaker "Neil" is identified by a resident ([38:58]) as "Mr. Jensen," likely a contracted City Planner or Zoning Official working with the staff. *** **[7:32] Brian Douglas (Chair):** uh to the monday june 14th planning commission meeting call the meeting to order roll call please daniels absent duncan here emma here g lindell here christensen here matson here okay before we move to approve the agenda i would like to move item 7c which is uh the issue with nate's garage up to before the public hearing and with that i'll take a motion to approve the agenda **Emma (Commission Member):** i'll make a motion to approve that with the change **Brian Douglas (Chair):** motion in a second all in favor **[8:20] Brian Douglas (Chair):** all right okay uh next item is the approval of the may 10th uh minutes any uh corrections or changes and if not i will take a motion to approve those **G. Lundell (Commission Member):** i'll make a motion we approve **Brian Douglas (Chair):** okay emotion by lundell **Matson (Commission Member):** i'll second **Brian Douglas (Chair):** second by matson uh all in favor aye okay uh public input citizens may speak to issues not on the agenda please approach the microphone and before speaking give your name for the record please limit your comments to three minutes is there anybody who wants to speak in public input **[9:06] Babe O'Gorman:** yes my name is babe i think all you guys know me um i notice that you got public input on here and it's quite different than it is at council meetings and i'm wondering why the city isn't more consistent especially when it comes to finance committee meetings there is no public input police commission i've been to these meetings and there's nothing on there about public input so i'm wondering why there isn't and i think there should be unless of course you don't want to hear from the public kind of get that feeling once in a while **Brian Douglas (Chair):** well not all committees have public input **Babe O'Gorman:** and is there a reason for that i mean **[9:55] Babe O'Gorman:** i mean why do they call them public meetings then bill you know what i'm saying i'm just i'm just saying they're public meetings so you're saying you want them to include more issues than no no and the planning code the uh the input section only the wording on the public input for our meeting here is a little different than the one for the council and maybe we could change that and not only that like at the police commission you don't know all the public to speak or at least it's not on the agenda and it's not at finance committees and i've just been to those two in the last month and okay i don't even think in public works but it is i don't believe public works does have a public input does it i don't know at least it did **[10:41] Brian Douglas (Chair):** last time i was there the other night and i didn't see it but i was on the agenda so i didn't pay attention maybe i can do that too yeah okay all right uh anyone else wish to speak to items not appearing on the agenda if not we'll move on as i requested uh the administer administrative subdivision lot combination for nate's garage at 1717 north um diane you're you're gonna handle this one **Diane Johnson (Council Member):** yep nate's garage owns two parcels and they conduct business on two separate parcels they're asking for the lock combination um **[11:26] Diane Johnson (Council Member):** basically because they have water on one parcel but not another um if they do not combine these lots they would have to pay the um initial water and sewer hookup charges would i which i believe are eleven thousand two hundred dollars right neil yeah um if they combine the lots then they can hook up to the main and they can avoid those costs and being that they own both the lots and they conduct business on both the lots um we definitely um support that you're my i'm sorry oh is that better okay yeah yeah yeah um one question that comes to mind if **[12:13] Brian Douglas (Chair):** somewhere down the road nate decides to to sell one of the parcels will that create **Diane Johnson (Council Member):** well that's why we'd have a lot combination because once they're combined you'd have you'd sell them as one person **Brian Douglas (Chair):** yeah they'd have to come for a lot split later if that was there **Diane Johnson (Council Member):** exactly exactly yep **Brian Douglas (Chair):** are they two separate businesses **Diane Johnson (Council Member):** nope they're the same business they're the same business and they conduct business on both parcels yes **[12:47] Diane Johnson (Council Member):** we do have a representative here from nate's if you have any questions for them **Brian Douglas (Chair):** yeah jim is here if you guys have any questions he could answer for you **[13:01] Matson (Commission Member):** no questions no um on the other on the other you want water in these other buildings is that my um understanding right **Jim (Nate’s Garage Representative):** uh it was cold storage at one time okay and uh so now we want to put a bathroom in there for the text so what happened was just cold storage in about a year and a half two years ago we put in um seven new bays back there so it's the same business we've expanded the original building so we just we're gonna get some water and sewer back there for the guys just for uh bathrooms uh we're gonna put a drain in there in the bathrooms and flame trap a drain you know like a normal you know shop would have so we just want to expand that building and you know bring that up to where it should be okay and so it's just a combined so literally **[13:47] Jim (Nate’s Garage Representative):** that building actually is kind of touching or is already on the 1717 parcel as well so how that happened we're not sure but but yeah so we just want to kind of combine it all **Brian Douglas (Chair):** okay any other questions from the commission if not do i have a motion to approve resolution 2021-06 **G. Lundell (Commission Member):** move **Brian Douglas (Chair):** okay motion by glenn we have a second **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** all second **Brian Douglas (Chair):** okay second by john uh any other questions all in favor pass **[14:33] Brian Douglas (Chair):** all right thanks jim for coming in and get get you out of here uh next item is a public hearing variance for rick and jason knowlton at 66.95 bluff drive neil you want to give the initial **Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** sure in your package you'll find a site plan a development application and overhead new home plans development agreement for sandstone ridge and public works commission meeting minutes at the last public works meeting the notice has been published and meets criteria for the public hearing **[15:21] Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** what the jason and rick knowlton are at 6695 bluff drive are looking for is a 3.54 front yard variance the the setbacks on the front yard are 25 feet so it would be a 21.46 foot front yard setback and that was to allow a front porch the second variance would be a 19 foot variance in the rear back and that's also a 25 foot rear yard setback that would reduce the setback in the rear yard to a six foot instead of a 25 foot **[16:07] Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** um that is for the homeowner to put a 16 by 16 four season porch on the back of his house um so that's the two variances um we did we did bring this uh variance request to the city attorney um we've had some concerns on it uh simply because of uh the large amount of uh setback decreases that we have here when you issue a variance you have to have a some practical difficulties that accompany a a variance **[16:52] Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** um one of the things that we have a hard time trying to figure out with this variance is is this a uh difficulty based on the land or is it based on the land owner doing providing the difficulties such as the size of the home on the lot can be reduced or the lot could be find a bigger lot to put the home on so with that said i'll leave it at that at this point and you can do your public hearing **Brian Douglas (Chair):** okay at this time then i will open the public hearing **[17:37] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** whoever wants to speak on that rick if you want to come on up and um yeah i guess what the the situation here is is um the size of the lot that tapers um if you would face that house the other way it just simply wouldn't fit the houses or the lot is about 137 feet going north to south in the front going east to west it's 81 feet or 80 feet and on the rear it's about 87 feet um so we've tilted the house we actually **[18:22] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** kept the house square in the back 22 feet to the main part of the house from the property line and by putting a 16 by 16 porch in that comes within six feet of uh which you call now call rear yard setback if you had a smaller home and turned it the other way you could actually be five feet from that same property line this four season porch is 16 feet where if you had a garage potentially could run 50 feet along that line one foot closer than this porch is the four season porch won't have any windows facing the other lot which is also owned by **[19:09] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** jason and i uh there's no property owner to the no buildable lot at this time to the south and of course street on the north and street on the on the east there's also note on this uh paper that the the city attorney addresses that in addition sandstone is not open and therefore a driveway cannot be connected i'm saying sandstone is open on that end it's been open for four years the snow has been plowed there's been some maintenance on the road around the manholes to build them up because the final layer is not on that street yet **[19:56] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** so they do snow plow there the garbage trucks turn around mailmen firemen police if that uh sandstone road was to be blocked off just at this particular intersection i'm not talking about the majority of the road going all the way to 25. **[20:15] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** there a barricade the house across the street on the corner happens to be my son-in-law and daughter and that barricade is to on the north and back end of their lot that's where that street is barricaded so although it appears that in this letter the attorney says sandstone road is closed it is for the majority of the road but for that particular spot in my in my notion in terms it's open so i hope we can get by that a little hoop before we jump into the you know the setbacks um this the the potential particular homeowner that's buying this um has a family of four two children and **[21:00] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** uh his his fiancee and himself he is an amputee has an amputated leg uh he needs a slab on great home and it takes this much of a it's a three bedroom rambler under two thousand square foot uh this is his needs for his family and there is no other landowner butting up to this property other than myself and my son and we have no problems of course there's been some variances with four season porches in the past and canon some within a couple of years that that far exceed the **[21:49] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** 25 foot setback and then as far as the front set back it it only angles through that porch because we make it on the garage side of 25 feet the house actually jogs in six feet on the other corner and we're real close there it's the that corner of the porch that it cuts through where it's 21.5 feet [Music] so i guess that's um that's where i stand on that it's it's uh so it's the need oh excuse me go ahead well it just fits the need of the particular homeowner **Brian Douglas (Chair):** okay so the homeowner is an amputee **[22:36] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** yes so he has okay **Brian Douglas (Chair):** um you've answered a lot of my questions here that i did have for you you do own the adjacent lot to it **Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** that's right **Brian Douglas (Chair):** um and then when you purchase those lots was that road open going through **Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** yes it was okay the the uh when they when they sold the lots on bluff bluff lane or bluff road that particular barrier was put on these which would be in the north end of that other corner lot so that was open to traffic school bus traffic coming not to go through to 25 but just just basically the this road dead end sandstone wrote dead ends on the south **[23:22] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** side of that i think it actually goes past that property a little bit and [Music] **[23:34] Brian Douglas (Chair):** into my understanding also there still needs to be another lift put on that road right out front anyway **Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** yeah so they're well as circling around yes bluff drive uh needs a final lift so does that particular portion of sandstone road um it needs a little bit more improvement because i said the city was in there last fall put some blacktops so they don't yeah i didn't hit this storm not the storms were but um like somebody drives across it **Brian Douglas (Chair):** okay um i'm sorry did you say they did all the way up on sandstone then what was that **Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** did they **[24:21] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** did they tar all the way up onto this to the south on sandstone road did they it's tied all the way up the hill but this is not a final left it's still down an inch and a half or whatever from the curb **Brian Douglas (Chair):** did the city engineer say that that road was structurally sound or unsound or doesn't the city engineer want to say anything about it **Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** well is this road any different than what i see across on what i would call the mensing property there's no difference at all no different i think there's less i think there's more bumps up there than down here **Brian Douglas (Chair):** okay **Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** especially on the uh what would it be the north end of that final drive going up where the last new home was built but **[25:07] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** it's it it boils down to the workmanship that was done in the past that they didn't have soil compaction they didn't you know we take the the shale out all it to haul it off site unless it can be used in the yard and then all in fill so there's a considerable amount of expense that goes into building on these lots anyway **Brian Douglas (Chair):** okay **[25:40] Brian Douglas (Chair):** yeah i have no more questions for you on that um neil i guess i'm going to ask you to kind of explain what the city attorney is trying to say because we know new construction it does not meet the criteria to have a variance because you could always build a house a different manner on a particular lot it's not like it's an existing house where you can really consider a variance **Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** so yeah what she's trying to say is in order to approve a variance you have to have a practical difficulty and **[26:26] Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** the practical difficulty has to be because of the land not because of the land owner in this certain instance the land owner has chosen a house that is literally too big for the lot that's not considered a practical difficulty the house could be downsized to fit the lot things could be taken off the sunroom porch whatever could be taken off or it could be turned there's really two things going side by side here is the condition of sandstone road and and the variants and the and they should be addressed separately **[27:14] Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** i know there's uh it's that sandstone road has been on a lot of people's minds for many many years and now it's coming to where we have a individual wants to put a house on that particular road and it's not up to city specs i did bring this to the to the public works commission and they have made a recommendation to the planning commission to say hold back here for a minute we're we're investigating this and we're we're trying to figure out if we're going to abandon this road if we're going to what we're going to do with it right now **[28:01] Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** semkra who is is a non-profit owns all of the lots on there and they don't know what they're going to do with it they investigated the cost of fixing the road and and rick is absolutely right it's going to cost a a ton to uh to replace all that shale that was put back in there and and and i don't know if the city is is willing to spend that kind of money now if you allow a driveway to be put on sandstone roads the first thing that's going to happen is the homeowner is going to say city fix my road and i don't know if we're uh if if we have the uh **[28:48] Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** knowledge right now of how much that's going to cost or if we are going to fix it that's something that the city should be looking in the near future um so you've got two things going here you've got a variance request to fit a house onto the lot and you've got a driveway a budding a road that is not up to city specs **Brian Douglas (Chair):** but is that road it is owned by the city right it's a city right away **Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** yes **Brian Douglas (Chair):** okay now i just got one that really isn't with this but why isn't bluff why doesn't that have the top coat **[29:35] Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** i i don't know **Brian Douglas (Chair):** we're not talking about upgrading the entire road we're only talking about no just a little this lift in right right off to the right that part of the road **Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** yeah we already see it's blocked over here we understand that that's a totally different issue but you bought the lot knowing there was a road here yeah absolutely yeah also also knowing there's a city park directly across from the road that the city owns the front is designated for a park it has this angled slot parking um that butts up to that part **Brian Douglas (Chair):** well i see there's angle parking right across **Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** right because there's no water and sewer stub ins that go into that property **[30:20] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** that some of the best curb in the whole development because all the sags are where the water sewer was stuck on into these individual lots more so as you go into sandstone uh road or audition now at some point in time again agreeing there's two separate issues here but at some point in time somebody's going to want to develop that land up on top and is going to have to access this road to get in there or at least make a loop **Brian Douglas (Chair):** yes **Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** and we don't know if that road is blocked off that creates a dead end and everybody's going to back out instead otherwise they're going to back into these homeowners driveways correct and that land owner has not uh didn't purchase that property just to farm it because it's not your best farm ground now bluff drive also needs a wear coat **[31:06] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** correct **Brian Douglas (Chair):** correct neil when the public works department talked about the road did they give you a timeline as to when they would be making a decision **Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** uh they did not um because that's because it's never came up before okay um this is just surfaced yep and so um in essence what they're saying is uh hold off until we figure out what we're going to do here **Brian Douglas (Chair):** okay that's that's when they need that's when they need to put a timeline together right now what does hold off mean does this hold off mean a year two years five years never that i don't i don't know that answer **Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** yeah because **[31:53] Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** this is uh it was wasn't an answer they just said right yeah right **Brian Douglas (Chair):** so this was the first meeting that they had discussed you can see my point right if they say something like that they need to really start putting together um a solution to the issue it's not fair no correct and it is a road right and he does have a right to turn his house that direction now the matter is but it is an issue the offsets but it's still an issue that would cost the city significant **Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** it seems to me an issue going that way it's not an issue right out where you're going to turn the house what's that that's not an issue where you're going to turn that house that road is pretty good right there it needs a lift on it but it's not all further down it's not all tore up like the rest right in the right in the main **[32:39] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** uh the end of the road there's three mantle or uh sewer and and that area has sunk but you could never shut down sandstone road either way and not either have a cul-de-sac because you got to be able to turn around and go back and it's already there the curbing is already there so it'd be a matter of of taking the blacktop up in that more worse area and adding gravel and compact it and put it back down this problem in the street is poor compaction and it's been that way through sandstone road highway 25 when they rebuilt when they when the city lowered water i mean to go to the water tower they dropped that **[33:27] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** same thing the inspector goes home at four o'clock and the crew works till eight o'clock and they push it in they don't compact it that highway 25 dropped for four years until it finally stopped and then they tore it out and redid it you got the same some of the same problem up on i think it is a road you have a right to put the home in what direction you want that's my take on that's the way we tuck it when we **Matson (Commission Member):** i think we're missing the bigger picture and that is allowing a variance on a new house which according to yep our stuff is that's that's the real problem **Brian Douglas (Chair):** well yes i understand that but if you turn if **[34:12] Brian Douglas (Chair):** you turn the house the other way then it's only a five foot **Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** like i get i get the variances right if i if i turn the house that is the street make this make the house narrower unattractive i could build a 50 60 foot long garage wall five feet away from that line now that would be more of an obstruction to me than 16 foot of porch and then it jogs back to the house right **Matson (Commission Member):** well i i guess i have a real issue with the with a variance on new construction and that's you should build the home to fit the lot specifically 20 years and tell the council to allow bigger lots they keep going backwards on the size a **[34:57] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** lot cedar hills which was platted back in the early 70s they're all hundred foot lots everything in the city that's came forward after that they keep shrinking them 60 70 80. **[35:14] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** me as a builder i've been building for 40 years in this town i'd wish you'd go more than 100 feet you know because eventually people are going to improve their income they're going to want a fourth guard third car garage they won't be able to do it on a smaller lot [Music] this particular house and garage fits the needs and the landowners are basically the nearest landowner is one which would be me and my son and we would position the next house to have the house side on that so that would be a minimum 10 foot setback so it'd allow uh you'd have about 16 feet then i believe whereas if you put the garage on that **[35:59] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** side now we're only 11. **G. Lundell (Commission Member):** i'm inclined to agree with mr knowlton on this um about turning the house and granting them the setbacks i understand what these are but i can't say that i agree with our with our setbacks what the rules are but yeah i would not see it either because there's there's nobody on the other side i mean that's that's not buildable right i mean that's it's unpleasant **Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** you mean to the south to the left if you look at the picture **[36:44] Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** um south is bluff road or excuse me north and south is uh to the south of the garage right **G. Lundell (Commission Member):** and and so there's no one there so then then if you look to go across the street or something that's a cross bluff right across the street that's that's that's the city park or the city city park it is yeah so that's not going to bother anyone **Brian Douglas (Chair):** no i don't see what that's going to hurt anything either it's a small lot it seems to me that and i understand the setbacks but personally i'd i'd rather see a home like this in there than to see a big long garage taken up that five feet away from that lot line a 16 by 16 um three season porch would look a whole lot nicer in there **[37:32] Brian Douglas (Chair):** and if you decide to you know condemn sandstone road to this to the south that would would your setbacks apply then i mean if you don't have that road there what does that change for the lot **Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** i don't know i mean if it becomes an area you can have a problem condemn once that home's there **Brian Douglas (Chair):** not only that but the landowner to the south he owns land inside the city limits that he's farming and someday would probably want to develop that you're cutting him off as well you know you see what i'm saying though **[38:19] Brian Douglas (Chair):** i mean if if it isn't a road how does that affect the lot as far as setbacks **Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** well there's nothing there's a house you couldn't face the house you couldn't face there but i think the bigger picture is there like you were saying is he needs to access that up above someday whether it's 10 20 years down the road if we do cut this road off how is he going to get to that we did end this street someday this will have this sandstone road will have to be addressed as far as homes in the road the city owns that road right **[38:58] Brian Douglas (Chair):** is there um in addition to rick is there anyone else that wishes to speak on the subject absolutely okay i might go ahead you can come right back up here if you want to hang on though um **Babe O'Gorman:** my name is babel gorman mr jensen here well first of all he's not very happy with me okay i told rick that they were planning on closing this road well there's a process to closing this road and this ain't it okay and i would like to see the document that this lawyer has it says that the roads closed because one is not in existence so why are you talking about it there is not one in existence **[39:44] Babe O'Gorman:** let's start there and there has not been public hearings and they cannot close the road without having them and they haven't mr jensen said that the public works recommends to the planning commission to hold up public works does not recommend anything to the planning commission read your minutes they're right there in front of you they recommend to the council so that is a lie just so you don't that is not true it's never happened and i've never seen a public hearing run like this either where we're going back and forth and back and forth but it's okay with me but i haven't ever seen it and thank you **[40:29] Babe O'Gorman:** for letting me speak sch built this [Music] at sch engineered this when this road was constructed they turned it over the city it was up to city specs because it was workmanship is not his fault and it's not my fault but it is all of our fault because we allowed that engineer to continue to do this for 20 years in this town and i can take you out and i can show you all over town what they screwed up and i've been balling about it for years and they finally let him go away but with the bag of gold in hand and go away not to be responsible for any of it and john you know damn well that i told you about that up at the **[41:16] Babe O'Gorman:** dead-end dairy kitchen and when i went to arizona you turned around and paid them in full and you shouldn't have done it you should have held them accountable and the library what about the library i bet the wall still tore out of the library and it is him john and maybe you didn't pay him in full and i'm sorry but the point is it's been going on for years and years it went on across the road now i happen to be at this public works meeting for a curb that's going to get replaced at a new home over there and like he said the homeowner's going to say well fix my street well the homeowner didn't say anything i said i'm not pouring a driveway out to a curb that's got to sway back **[42:02] Babe O'Gorman:** because i'm not going to be responsible and i don't know what's even underneath where they were so we're going to go investigate it and that is the right thing to do we have a problem why don't we address it and why don't we fix it i've had problems i've made mistakes i still do all day every day but i address them and then i rectify them that's the problem here the city's trying to run away from this nightmare and it is a nightmare get it from semcra and own the damn thing and take care of it bring it up to standards and let people build on it shouldn't be that tough and and beating around the bush don't get the job done hit it head on thank you for your time **Brian Douglas (Chair):** okay is there anyone else that wishes to **[42:48] Brian Douglas (Chair):** speak for the public hearing if not i will close the public hearing and discussion items for uh for these uh rick and jason request on this property commission what do you have to say **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** well i think mr o'garman's right the road is not our concern what our concern is whether we're going to give them the what he is asking for and i think we should **[43:35] Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** so i would like to make a motion that we accept on what's sitting in front of us and allow mr knowlton to build his home **Brian Douglas (Chair):** okay neil a a question the resolution we have in front of us has to do with uh denying the variance so how do we adjust that **Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** change it change the wording on it but john's motion can assuming it passes that can all right if you can if you would uh mind coming up with a practical **[44:20] Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** difficulty for for the resolution under a whereas and then we can get it inserted into a into a resolution form and we'll uh we'll take it from there **Rick Knowlton (Applicant):** could i say one thing i would just recommend that a practical difficulty would be the soil i i don't recommend full basements on that side of the road we're doing slab on grade so we're having less square footage than we would have had if we would have a complete basement **[45:12] Brian Douglas (Chair):** so how do we proceed with this how do we word this **Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** well as i read the current resolution as written there are two whereases and one be resolved which do not fit into what you wish to do so they would have to be replaced and i'm not sure exactly how to how to word that you can make a motion to approve the variances and i will have the city attorney draft a resolution **[45:58] Neil Jensen (Zoning/Staff):** or that **Jon Radermacher (City Administrator):** okay okay well then i wish to make a motion to approve mr nolton's variances **G. Lundell (Commission Member):** i'll second that motion **Brian Douglas (Chair):** any other discussion all in favor opposed i okay uh next item is the uh administrative subdivision lot split for josie and zach hayes at 300 carlson road uh diane **Diane Johnson (Council Member):** all right this property was annexed into the city limits on april 4th 2021. the hazes are the owner of the property they're requesting this lot be split into two parcels one parcel would remain **[46:43] Diane Johnson (Council Member):** as their homestead parcel it's about almost four or four acres and the remaining amount approximately 8.5 acres would be developed this property was annexed for residential development annex ordnance zoned it property r3 which is medium density residential meaning more than one house the city would approve this application for a lot split on the conditions the lot split would take effect when a final plant was approved and would provide density of at least two houses per acre and josie is here as well if you guys would like any further information from her **[47:29] Brian Douglas (Chair):** josie do you wish to speak or you're just you're fine you're fine with what's being submitted that you would keep the basically where the farmhouse is and the other eight acres to be developed as is requested here with at least two houses per acre on our three **Josie Hayes (Applicant):** okay you're you're fine with that **Brian Douglas (Chair):** uh commission you guys have any questions **Matson (Commission Member):** so is there sewer and water in there is that going to be hooked up to our to our homestead or to the new development **Josie Hayes (Applicant):** to the new development yeah so the the development it butts right up to a viking so we're hoping we don't we're going to hope to sell to a developer who will **[48:15] Josie Hayes (Applicant):** come in with the the plat and then hook up okay hook up the development there hook up at viking there somewhere **Brian Douglas (Chair):** yeah and you are your house doesn't have city sewer water either and that's okay right you i mean you've got enough property around there that it's not a problem **Josie Hayes (Applicant):** yep or we do we do we do plan to hook up to city yep that was either depending on the timing either off of it's currently stubbed in at our driveway right now or coming off the new development so whichever one is recommended **[49:02] Brian Douglas (Chair):** okay um no other questions uh then i'll take a motion to approve resolution 2021-05 **Laura Kronenberger (Council/Commission Member):** so move **Brian Douglas (Chair):** motion by morris i'll second it **G. Lundell (Commission Member):** second by glenn **Brian Douglas (Chair):** all in favor all right okay uh [Music] that is everything uh any commission members have any comments or anything they'd like to make or if not uh i'll take a motion to adjourn **G. Lundell (Commission Member):** i so move **Matson (Commission Member):** wait a second **Brian Douglas (Chair):** motion in a second all in favor aye aye