[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] all right we'll call the meeting to order uh good evening and welcome to the May 16th 2024 meeting of the minaka Planning Commission the commission generally meets on the 1 and third Thursdays of the month the schedule and tentative agendas can be obtained by calling the planning department or by checking the city website at minaka mn.gov the commission holds public hearings on land use applications from a specific process standpoint that means we make recommendations to the city council on rezonings subdivisions conditional use permits and amendments to the city's comprehensive plan zoning ordinance and subdivision regulations we also make final decisions on site plans signage requests and variance requests and expansion permits unless these requests are part of an application that must be heard by the city council in that case the commission makes a recommendation and the council makes the final decision the city notifies Property Owners within at least 400 fee of the sites post post signs on the properties and places notices in the Lakeshore Weekly News and the menaka memo any agreed party May appeal a final Planning Commission decision to the city council if you wish to appeal you must submit a written request to the city within 10 days of this meeting from a broader standpoint the city's comprehensive plan zoning ordinance and subdivision regulations are the city's best efforts to codify a balance between individual rights and Community responsibilities individual rights are easy to understand community respons responsibilities are more subtle but the idea is that we as members of the community agree to limit our individual rights for the common good of the group The planning department the Planning Commission and the city council are charged with managing this sometimes difficult Balancing Act we ask you keep this broader perspective in mind as we review tonight's applications again welcome staff please call roll Hansen is absent Henry here Maxwell here minion here Waterman here Banks here Cher here there are six of us here seated tonight uh next on the agenda is approval of the agenda any changes to the agenda uh no CH all all right then I will take a motion to approve the agenda as posted motion uh motion minion I'll second the motion second Henry all those in favor signify by saying I I I motion carries next is approval of minutes from April 18th 2024 meeting uh Commissioners any changes to those minutes doesn't look like it was a lengthy read I'm sure um all right uh then I will take a motion to approve the amend April 18th motion minion second uh second Maxwell all those in favor signify by saying I I I motion carries uh next is report from staff uh chair suul there's been two Council meetings since your last Planning Commission meeting the first was on April 22nd um we just had one item uh on the council meeting that was uh previously heard by the Planning Commission and that was the Redevelopment of the Hillcrest nuring home site um that was the Greco minaka uh proposal uh that was approved as uh recommended by the Planning Commission we anticipate that earthwork uh demolition of that building will probably happen in September with construction uh beginning thereafter and then the second meeting was held uh May 6 there were a couple of items on that agenda there was the ordinance amending um the sign regulations pertaining to Temporary non-commercial signs that was basically addressing um campaign signs in our community and then the interim use permit for the relocation of that Garden Market um on Highway 7 and County Road 101 and then the big item on that agenda was the Mills twin home project you'll recall uh that staff and the Planning Commission at a previous meeting had recommended denial of that project specifically because of the comprehensive guide plan Amendment associated with the request um all other aspects it was it was fairly clear from staff's presentation and and from the commission's commentary that you supported the project but for that comp plan Amendment um we had suggested that the number of units be reduced or that the site area be increased to eliminate that there was a change in the plan between the Planning Commission meeting and uh the council meeting essentially the applicants took your advice um and they chose to add some Site Area to the plan eliminating then um that comp plan Amendment um getting past that that that issue that both staff and the Planning Commission had with the project so staff uh indeed changed our recommendation uh we recommended approval of that project and the council uh indeed did recommend or did approve I should say um the site design with the 10 units the only change from what you saw at the Planning Commission meeting is the inclusion of uh that playground space into the overall site um so that was what happened at the council meetings my only other comment is that your next Planning Commission meeting will be on June the 6th great thank you all right next is report from uh Planning Commission members commission has anything to report yes I'd like to say thank you to the city management city workers and particularly Diana Pearson I hope I said her name correctly but I had the opportunity to attend the uh tree planting and Tree Care seminar they did another great great job and I really appreciate the education the stuff that comes out of uh the city and they do a great job but encourage everyone to participate and uh it's another way to have another opportunity to volunteer but uh great job Diana great thank you anything else from Commissioners all right we will move along to uh item number seven which is the consent agenda these are items that are usually pretty routine in nature that we'll pass with one motion unless someone would like to pull the item and have a a full discussion on it in which case we will do that uh so the item on the consent agenda tonight is item 7A interm permit for a coffee trailer at 15310 minaka Boulevard uh the recommendation is the council adopt the resolution approving the permit so pretty controversial one here I'm sure so uh Commissioners would anyone like to pull this item and have a full discussion on it doesn't look like it would anyone in the audience like to pull this item and have a full discussion on it doesn't look like it fantastic all right we will take uh I'll take a motion then uh to approve the recommendation uh the city council adopt the resolution approving the permit for interim use permit for a coffee trailer at 15310 minetonka Boulevard some like to make that motion yeah I'll make that motion that we approve motion banks second second uh minion staff please pull the commission Henry yes Maxwell yes minion yes Waterman yes Banks yes ch yes uh motion carries and that is to be heard by the city council uh on June 3D so uh good luck with the coffee trailer all right next uh up is item eight and we have nothing on the nonent agenda item uh which brings us to item nine other business uh which is tonight 9A which is a concept plan review for Amir Villas minetonka at 901 Carl Parkway and this is uh just that a concept review where we will not uh make any formal decisions because there's not even been an application this is just literally a concept of what do we think of it uh if it were to come forward how could we make it better that type of thing so uh that is the item on the agenda for tonight commissioner minion you want to I'm teing up here thank you thank you sir uh I do need to be in a matter of transparency that I work for the same parent company as United properties I do not get paid by new United properties I have no financial gain with them I do not take direction from them but I just want to make sure that everybody understands that we work for the same parent company thank you great thank you for the transparency um all right uh Miss Thomas I'll turn over to you then uh thank you chair Su as you noted United properties has uh submitted a concept plan for development of 901 Carlson Parkway the site is just over 2 acres in size and is located south of the Amir apartment building and I believe that some if not um all of the Commissioners will recall that this site was included in a two-phase master development plan that we reviewed and approved back in 2020 phase one of that Master development plan was for the uh 55 plus rental building um which is obviously uh been constructed and phase two was to be this 901 uh property uh a hotel to be constructed with no timeline um for uh that construction the concept before you tonight uh for feedback is to change the use of that Phase 2 United properties contemplates constructing uh rental town homes on the site rather than a hotel the 28 units would be located in nine uh three-story buildings as you can see here access uh to the site would be via um an existing North South Drive uh along the east property the East shared property line the town home use would be allowed under the site's existing PID zoning as well as the comprehensive uh guide plan designation of mixed use as a reminder uh to the Planning Commission and any members of the public as the chair said this is concept plan review it's intended really to provide the opportunity for the public for the Planning Commission to offer feedback uh to the potential developers just about this type of use in in general and the developers can use that feedback then to inform uh their future applications um so rather than detailed questions we're looking for um comments General comments but we are going to ask you some um questions uh three of them primarily if you think there's Merit to the concept um if yes why if not why and what would make the concept uh in your minds better if it were to move forward so that is our very short staff presentation and I would turn it back to um the chair great thank you Commissioners any uh brief questions already for staff um all right we're probably uh ready to hear from the real quick oh yeah commission can you tell me how far this proposed property is from R1 or regular residential single family homes I can chair let me get back to my um presentation here oh I apologize I took out a a a shot here uh chair minion so the closest Residential Properties single family Residential Properties are going to be across 394 um to the South so uh well over a quarter mile away thank you all right all right now I think we're ready for the I don't want say applicant uh the proposer maybe if you want to come forward and give us your name and address for the record we'd uh love to hear from you uh good evening chair members of the commission my name is Dave Young I'm with United properties 250 nicholet Mall Minneapolis thank you for the opportunity to review this uh sketch concept uh this evening uh thank you to uh planner um Thomas for putting together a brief overview some of my uh presentation is a little bit redundant to what she had included in the staff report so I'll just try to be quick and and hit on the on the key topics so's pull um oh is there a mouse in here oh look at this I get to we're pretty fancy right get behind the wheel here let's see if I can oh there we go so as uh as you saw earlier the the site is located just south of the uh current existing Amir manataka this just helps put it in a little bit of a context um along Deer Creek Parkway adjacent to the parking ramp and the 186 unit Amira minaka that opened last June this is a perspective looking on the lot looking North at the existing Amir minat tanka and and the amenity deck that is uh found just adjacent to the north I've got a few more pictures of that amenity deck for some additional context uh again just briefly touching on the project highlights you know as uh as planner Thomas mentioned nine three-story buildings uh we took into account some uh very nice attractive Urban Design with the walk up front doors from the uh from the city street or or the sidewalk um to the north south and and West over there rearload garages off of the private drive lane so they're more or less out of sight um shallow pitched roof uh as you as you saw in in the rendering just to reduce the massing um as much as possible and we intend to include um high-grade exterior m materials Metals um CFB smart side those those type of materials each building will have its own private entrance um there'll be a shared stairwell um some of the units are two unit buildings some of the units are four unit buildings um they will each have each building will have a an elevator it's called a Lula elevator so it's not a full-blown commercial elevator but it's a it's still a commercial grade it's the limited use limited access commercial grade elevator that will support uh the residents um vertically uh through the buildings guest parking is located on the the existing guest parking is located on the east side that's already constructed and and in place sidewalks will provide connectivity throughout the Villas community and will provide access into Amira mitaka to the north we're proposing a water feature and or additional amenity spaces to that southwest corner of the property the units as as we mentioned 28 units uh they are larger units so two and three-bedroom options ranging we haven't really you know defined the the square footage yet but they they will be considerably larger than what is currently found in Amir minona the largest home in Amir minona is roughly 1470 Square ft um these homes will start around 1,600 ft and potentially go up to 2300 square feet um each home will have one level living with as I mentioned the secured entry uh elevator access uh each home will have a private attached garage which is uh which is a little bit maybe unique um from a multif family uh setting um there will be uh a mud room off of the garage and then access to the elevator and or stair stairwell to get to the the private residences above uh on the lowest level uh behind the garages will be a flex room um for whatever storage flex room however the the resident would uh prefer to use the space each unit will have oversized decks upscale unit finishes um large Windows considering we have a lot of exterior wall to utilize here we're excited about that and then each home will have individual climate controls on May 9th last week we did host or we did U host a neighborhood meeting it was uh held at Amir minetonka coincided with their happy hour so it was very well attended um we we we think there was probably 75 or so participants in in the neighborhood meeting so again very very well attended uh we attempted to capture some of the um you know the majority of the comments that were heard uh the positive suggestions concerns I don't necessarily um unless you want me to read through each one of them but we just tried to to categorize you know that the comments that that that were heard um all this feedback is great we had lots of constructive feedback a lot of great conversations um well we'll take all this into account as as we move forward along with your feedback just touching on for those that may not be familiar with the existing Mir uh Amir manat tanka now that it is constructed and built here's some real um photos that we took uh in the completed State you know the this is the amenity deck that I I referred to this is just uh north of the the Villa's property line um you know between yard games patio seating Grill stations and then the the pool deck hot tub area so and then again just continuing on loung seating fire pit um to the north of the property is the large Courtyard area and then we also have uh several Community Gardens for for the M Community the indoor common areas uh again if anybody has not had an opportunity to tour the the building um I would invite you to do so it is a gorgeous addition to to minaka we are extremely proud of it it is our Flagship building this is our third am Mira in the in the Twin Cities area that that we've opened and and couldn't be happier with the turnout um but just to give you some some of the idea the scale the finishes of some of these these common areas they really are gorgeous and well received from the residents a little bit more of the Interior spaces uh Fitness area yoga studio you know golf simulator area private dining just really beautiful spaces The Villa residents will have full access to all the amenities offered at Amir motanka just a quick little takeaway um again for those that aren't familiar air metaton was developed by United properties it open in June of uh 2023 so just under a year ago um as of last month it was 85% occupied we do have um additional leases and people are continuing to move in so by the end of June we're expecting approximately about a 90% occupancy rate for that building which is which is just in incredible and uh and well received um Amir minona and Amir Villas will both be managed by the by the current management company Great Lakes management so there's a lot of efficiencies uh with staff um you know don't need to uh don't need to kind of reinvent the wheel there um we current currently have a 12 unit weight list uh for two and three bedroom homes in bigger um that's that's one thing that uh that we've heard from our marketing team is is residents just want bigger homes which again led us to to this concept of of the Villa Community um several residents have already expressed we have six residents um coming out of the neighborhood meeting last week that have already expressed interest on being on a on a wait list for for this community if it were to move forward um Villas are meeting the demand for the larger homes that we've heard um and then 10% of the Villas will uh meet the income qualifications required by the city so that is all that I have um any questions I'm happy to answer I appreciate your feedback thank you great thanks Commissioners any questions Comm Henry go ahead thanks chair you partially answered this one but maybe you can elaborate a a little bit too you had plans for a hotel was the main reason for switching from hotel to rental Villas just because there was an increase demand or did you see a drop off in an e for a hotel at that site um both yes to to be honest really I mean coming um watching the the lease up activity and and the feedback from the residents that we've encountered with at Amir minetonka we looked at doing a second phase there we actually looked at doing a larger building but felt this was the the right size coupled with the decrease um in interest in the hotel Market thank you ala saw one of the concerns from the meeting on May 9th was the some Shadows concerns did you do a Sun study or have you done one of those and is that going to encroach on any of the common areas uh we have not done a formal one we've done an informal one and we are being cognizant of um any shadowing on that amenity deck so we if that is required as part of the application we will for sure include that if it's not I think it's important to good idea thank you right other questions Commissioners one question I have is just maybe I thought it said in the packet but this will be 55 plus also correct correct same age restrictions as required at air manat tanka okay great sounds good uh other questions commissioner Banksy do you have a question no okay yeah commissioner commissioner Waterman go ahead sure thanks um I I don't know if there's another view that zooms out but what are the green spaces that are left for all the residents of both communities If This Were to be built okay so north of the yeah so this this whole area is actually just a a green space there is this large um Courtyard okay area um that is offered to all of our residents and then um whatever amenity space that we provide on this southwest corner will be in addition and will be shared amongst both communities great thanks yeah commissioner minion will you do a little bit deeper into your target market I know you said 55 plus but installing an elevator sounds like it's a pretty good investment would you just talk a little bit more about your target market and what you see is there a a little finer detail to it or am I just reading into it um our well our our target market is is obviously the U the 55 plus as as the name States but our average age is roughly about 70 years old and this is this is a a product that um is probably the last discretionary move that a resident wants to make before they have to seek services or somewhere in in more of a congregate housing type atmosphere um so we generally see residents um move in and again uh in our in our history of 5 years having a building open um we have very sticky residents I mean once they move in they generally stay there until until they need to move we talk a little bit about storm water treatment it might going too deep in the weeds I see that you have a little Pond there and uh we are always concerned about impious surfaces and the Green Space um is there going to be a separation between rainwater leaders and ground ground meaning Drive lanes and the collection Pond or tell me a little bit about just how you're going to manage that and uh what how that pond comes into that it's that scenario uh we have not designed any storm water yet um but based on the previous designs the impervious surface that was previously approved is majority of as is underground storm water Chambers and that's what we're proposing here my initial conversations with the Civil uh engineer for this site is that that storm water Pond is um minimal for storm water purposes it's more for an amenity space if anything else the majority of the storm water will be uh treated or held um under that drive that drive lane is there a reuse involved in that or is this strictly uh uh holding p and then then release I apologize we have not gotten to that I'm going way to deep I'm I'm going to pull back I will say I really like the the um truck turnaround I wish we had see that more often we are living in an Amazon world and being able to have a a delivery truck pull off the side and still maintain the 22- foot curb to curb I think is a great idea great oh that was they good questions just uh getting ahead of your skis that's all uh yeah commissioner Henry oh thanks I'll make a a short return to you said that the buildings either are going to have two or four units in each of the buildings yet on the plan it looked like there were three separate designs of the buildings is that conceptual or is that in effect what you're going to do and I'm assuming the difference is that you have either one car garages or two car for some of the units is is that right are there any other differences uh that is correct so to give you just an idea of what we are conceptually um contemplating at this time this is what we are considering a mixed building so a smaller unit and I'll use the numbers we have on the screen here um roughly 1, 1600 square foot here and then next to and that 1600 foot unit comes with a single stall garage um next to it would be a roughly 2,300 ft unit and that unit would have its own dedicated two- stall garage so that is one product type I will jump to the site plan um as you can see if if I could blow it up um I probably can't um oh thank you so this is a good example so this building um as you see it here these are the single stall garage and the double stall garage so that's what we're calling a mix we have a smaller two smaller units and two larger units um next to it over here on this corner are just two larger units next to two larger units so those are two large or four larger homes and then the third product type would be a standalone 2un building where all four sides have have exterior wall exposure with two car garages okay you mentioned there's going to be either two or four units per building the buildings are three stories the bottom story is garage and it looks like all these buildings unless I'm mistaking something they all would have four units in them they're just smaller sizes the top one has two yeah not necessarily so this top one is a standalone duplex oh I see the the garage level is is just that's garage mechanical mud room and a and a flex room okay and then they would take the stairs or the elevator up to the second floor which is all a unit and then the next floor the top floor is all one unit oh sure just half of the the large building that they have correct okay correct that makes sense and then the services offered in these are is there home care services offered everything that's offered in the adjacent property too or is this intended to be no services that are going to be there so Air minona does not offer any um home health care services at all so this is strictly active adult independent living and the Amir Villas um will follow suit with that so we are not offering any services with the with this residence okay thank you other questions Commissioners one question that I have is uh in the rendering here looks like there's the parking lot that runs vertical or I should say vertical but uh north south is that is that there now will that be available for parking for like guests and things like that for this building as well that is correct yes and any idea how many spaces are there there's currently 23 spaces um on there uh we that's what's currently there um we don't feel we need all 23 spaces so we're looking at uh potentially adding trash enclosure or something else in a few of those those spots but we will maintain um adequate guest parking yeah for the 2 and units and we don't build to max parking Demand right otherwise City would be filled with nothing but parking lot so uh just something to be aware of I I like that that feature that that's there so I'll trust that you'll put together the right appropriate amount of parking uh any other questions yeah commissioner H you have another question oh thanks CH just one more with the with the adjacent parking ramp has the Mera had a need for asking to have any overflow parking into the ramp and do you anticipate any of that with this future development I cannot answer that I I do not know I would have to check with our operator if they've had an event or something that uh required um Beyond those parking stalls that are there I think um the initial few months of occupancy in the mirror nanka was probably pretty active you know friends family everybody wanting to kind of come over and see their new home that typically kind of subsides after the first year uh but I I do not know if we've had a need to request additional parking from the Carlson Association I would have to ask our management company about that so right now there is no agreement with Amir and the Carlson Association not that I'm aware of no okay thanks any other questions Commissioners all right it doesn't look like but if we do we'll uh we'll call you back up thank you very much great thank you all right we will open the public hearing if anyone would like to come forward and offer any comments or suggestions or questions on this property or this potential project I should say um feel free doesn't look like it all right we'll close the public hearing then that was easy little easier than last time uh commissioners unless we have any final questions uh this is our chance to help shape it and and make it as best we can if it comes forward but let's answer these questions and then give some commentary who would like to maybe go first chair a suggestion Susan could you put up the from the presentation the list of of neighbor concerns and things they like about the project maybe that would help us with some of the comments thank thank you would anyone like to offer thank you commissioner Waterman for going first go ahead thanks chair and thank you so much for the presentation and uh interest in expanding this uh development in motanka um I overall I think that there's Merit to answer the questions I think there's Merit in this project I think it it slots in really well with NEX door uh originally I was thinking and you answered the question like oh is this an area where if you're not going to build a hotel it would lend itself to more density and more elevation but actually in seeing it I kind of like the slot in of the of the villa style um so that you're not obscuring views and and sunlight for the existing residents um though though I expect since it's such a recent development it would be expected that something will be developed on this land it wouldn't be vacant forever um I don't have a ton to add in terms of what I would expect to see other than what's here with working with the existing residents um not a lot of neighbors around and really working with the city in terms of all the all aspects of compliance I think it looks sharp I mean doesn't seem like there's going to be traffic issues or parking um the it's interesting to see some of the concerns and suggestions like I was thinking about Shadow and then just use of the existing amenities I figured that there are ways to solve for that uh if if those are even issues but I mean I just I don't have a lot of comment other than I I think it it looks good and I think it would slot in well I'd be interested if the city had a different a truly different Vision in terms of what we really would like a hotel realiz it's private property but it is um I don't want to say Zone that might might not be the right uh word but if if the city is you know if that's if the city's amenable to it but other than that I it looks good I'd be interested to kind of see how it develops great thank you that wasn't a pun wasn't all right other uh comments opinions yeah commissioner Henry is there Merit I think there is and why from a density point of view I agree with commissioner Waterman I think it's the the right amount of density and it does seem to be a good complement to what exists and from some of the suggestions or some of the positives that the neighbor the neighbors put in they say it's it's going to add to the community so I think it's a it'll be a good thing the amenities some of the concerns on here is saying they're adding amenities but since it's connected to the Amira I think what they what they have proposed is going to be sufficient these Villas seem like they're going to be independent living so they're not going to need as many shared spaces as the other area but if people who live there choose to do so it sounds like they're going to be able to go right across and then hang out with their neighbors which it sounds like a lot of people are excited to have new neighbors as well Green Space the holding pond it's storm water management is important it would be nice to see maybe an area for walking dogs but the the Green Space north of the development is so close that I think that's going to be sufficient in this case access it seems like from what was proposed with the hotel in terms of connections sidewalks I think that all looks good to safety I think it's it's fine as well Comm Waterman mentioned there's no safety issues I don't think there is any either what I would like to see as a member of the sustainability commission and you didn't present this in your proposal it's of course it's a initial presentation but when you come in front of us for the formal proposal I'd encourage you to put something in terms of reducing the carbon footprint so have some higher than what's required insulation have some solar panels on the roof do something to have a net zero it's a signature property I know but make it even more so have it environmentally sustainable I think that would go a long way to you can have it as the flagship area aside from that I think it looks great and and I thought that a hotel there while it had some Merit it there's no restaurants there's no other things around it and the change from people working in an office to working remotely it's only been accelerated in the last three or four years since the initial proposal came in so I think it makes sense and I'm looking forward to seeing how it progresses great thank you other Commissioners yeah commissioner Banks thanks chair um and uh thanks uh Mr Young for the the present and does it have Merit I agree with fellow Commissioners uh it does I believe it does have uh Merit and I want to hit on the same points that they've already made um one of the things that stuck out for me was um the size of the units um and the fact that um the your target um residence would be 55 and older and in in my mind what that does for the city of minaka is it gives a really really good good product for um people who are reaching that stage um who would be willing to you know sell their single family home and then in that case open up inventory for other families to move into minaka uh into those homes because these units are because of the size um it really makes it attractive for um someone to be able to transition into a place like this so um I do think it it has Merit and um for all the right reasons I didn't see any I saw the suggestions by uh some of the current residents um didn't see anything that really stuck out I mean I think you once you drw the final plan I'm sure that there'll be um you know as much green space in between the two buildings uh you take advantage of that and um parking and Landscaping doesn't seem like that would be of of um any concern in this in this space the the idea of doing the shadowing um study it' be interesting to see what that um looks like but um aside from that yeah I think it's a you're on the right track for a good project so thank you great thank you other comments commissioner Maxwell yeah I would like to see more density on this site for how much impervious surface we're adding here um and compared to a hotel use that we had anticipated um I would like to see more density we know we need housing in the city of minetonka and there are very few sites in the city like this that are so far away from low density residential that it's hard to find places where we can really add density and this I feel is one of those spaces in the city where we have an opportunity to do that where we'd already communicated there was going to be a larger structure here that being said with this proposal um I do think these are beautiful buildings I would say maybe remove one of the buildings bring the other one up an extra story and then have a little bit more green space reduce the impervious surface and still get the same number of units out of the space that would be my preference it sounds like I may be in the minority in terms of the Planning Commission but I would really like to ramp up with the density and the places in the city where we can support it great thank you commissioner minion youin in regards to Merit I am glad to see more quality housing coming to the city uh much like Mr Banks said is that it's good to be able to take a little pressure off other areas and Open Spaces up to families and it's a great idea like I said ear I like the truck turnar around I would like to iterate pretty much everything everybody said um personally though I think the scale and the looks what you have for design matching the existing buildings around I think it fits really well it's a good spot and um I think of a hotel there with a bright flashing neon sign I think this looks 10 times better and uh I'm very very supportive I think it's a it's a great opportunity great thank you any other final comments from commissioner yeah commissioner Henry back thank you just want to let commissioner Maxwell know that she's not alone and what you what you brought up I think it that's a great idea because if you look at the nine or the the buildings here they all are the same height for some visual interest I think it would be great to add some height in some areas that would accommodate it be cognizant of the Sun study to make sure that you're not going to add four five stories on the one right next to the amenity deck but on the other side on the farest out side I could see going up higher as well and if you could do that you could even add more than the number of units that you have as long as you keep that area nice and sunny and I fully agree with if you can have a one of those nine spaces as open Green Space it's going to be a whole lot more beneficial to the people who ultimately live there so I think something like that would be beneficial to everybody that's a great SU suggestion thank you great thanks any other final comments yeah commissioner Waterman I'm actually going to tack on to that as well you really you did bring up a really good point um so you know in the discourse we can you know I still think it's a great looking proposal as is and this is where I get back to if as if it goes to the city didn't repine on anything weren't asked to now but as there are discussions this is what I was saying in terms of like what what's the city's goal and continuing to work with that and if it is like hey to commissioner Maxwell's point we originally talked about this for much more um uh intensive use and it's really being pulled back now is there something in the middle um that might that might you know to to your point about like there's a lot of space here and not a lot of not a lot of plots like this left in the city so uh I like it as is but if if there is an opportunity for more density as as uh you work through it um I'd be open to that too great thank you all right my turn I'll go um so yes I do think it has Merit I was uh excellent points by every body stinks going last but it's what you get um so it does have Merit I was skeptical of the hotel I'm a little disappointed that we couldn't have developed this whole parcel at at once to be a little bit more cohesive uh but I think the proposal that you brought does a good job of kind of tying them together better than you know a a hotel of some kind I don't think that would have worked as well together but I also support and I remember uh commissioner Powers when he was on the commission I was talking about this this is a spot where you wanted to see a lot of density um again to your to your point that there aren't a lot of places where we can put density without the Torches and pitchforks coming out uh so this may be may be one of them and I like the idea of a sensible maybe remove one of the buildings and add a floor and the other we're not talking about Chang this changing this to a tower or anything like that but uh that way you can add the green space I am a big big proponent of doing the shadow study um it should be relatively easy at I don't think it's too terribly difficult especially for seasoned uh Architects like the Whitten group I know can do that so um while you don't own your view shed I do think everyone has a right to not be in a shadow especially if they didn't start off with a shadow so uh I'm a big supporter of that but otherwise uh I like it and I think I think this could be a good a good project so Commissioners anything else we're missing any other final comments otherwise uh I think we just real quick is there an opportunity I don't want an answer but just kind of thrown out there as an idea is there an opportunity across the street to make use of that green space um it's kind of Nic little area to run your dogs and just kind of throwing that out there as an idea to think about great suggestion yeah commissioner Banks going out of order here but I would say um with all of the comments about the support for increased density I would just suggest finding a way to if you go to find a way to do that where um the size of the units are not sacrificed because I think that's important so fair point all right anything else Commissioners all right uh and this is to be heard by the city council on May 20th is that right Miss Thomas correct that correct all right well coming up here soon all right uh good luck with your concept and we may see you back so all right Commissioners moving on to item number 10 a German someone like to make a motion to adjourn I'll make that motion chair commissioner Maxwell second motion Maxwell second I'll second minion I heard minion both all those in favor signify by saying I motion carries we are adjourned good night [Music] [Music]