>> Mayor Muns: I NOW DECLARE THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL HAS RECONVENED IN OPEN SESSION AND ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLMER WILL BE ON ZOOM. WE'LL BEGIN TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING WITH AN INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND TEXAS PLEDGE BY THE JUNIOR GIRL SCOUT TROOP 1664 FROM THE CUSTER ROAD UNITED METHODIST CHURCH. WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE STAND. DEAR FATHER THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND THE RESIDENTS IN THIS COMMUNITY AND WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH THEM AND WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH THIS COUNCIL TO MAKE DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS AND HELP US TO ALWAYS DO YOUR WILL IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DOND TREAT OTHERS WITH KINDNESS AND HUMILITY. BE WITH US TONIGHT IN MAKING THESE DECISIONS IN JESUS' NAME AMEN. >> PLEASE JOIN IN RECITING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE FOLLOWED BY THE TEXAS PLEDGE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE, TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. , BE SEATED. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT, COME UP HERE AND LET TAKE A PICTURE. [APPLAUSE]. >> Mayor Muns: COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. >> I DO HAVE SEVERAL SPEAKERS THIS EVENING. FIRST ONE IS BILL FRANCE. >> GOOD EVENG MAYOR MUNS, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS BILL FRANCE AND TONIGHT I REPRESENT THE PLANO, TEXAS NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION. WE ARE HERE AGAIN TO RESPECTFULLY PROTEST THE OPERATION OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OUR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. AT THIS TIME I ASK ALL OF OUR SUPPORTERS AND ANYONE WHO WOULD SUPPORT THIS POSITION TO PLEASE STAND. WE HAVE COME BEFORE YOU NOW FOR FIVE MONTHS, AND EVEN WITH T BEST WELL INTENTIONED EFFORTS THE CITY HAS DEPLOYED, THE PROBLEM HAS ONLY GOTTEN WORSE. THERE ARE NOW 700 SHORT-ERM RENTALS IN PLANO, 50 MORE NOW THAN THERE WERE JUST ONE EIGHT HOUSES DIRECTLY SURROUND EACH SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND MANY MORE ARE IMPACTED BY THE TRACT AND THE TRASH AND THE TURMOIL. RESIDENTS ARE AFRAID TO LET THEIR CHILDREN IN THEIR OWN BACKYARDS OR RIDE THEIR BICYCLES ON THEIR VERY OWN STREES INVADE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND CONDUCT WHATEVER ACTIVITIES THEY SO CHOOSE, LEGAL OR NOT. SPEEDING CARS, PUBLIC INTOXICATION DRUGS CRIME GAMBLING PROSTITUTION WHATEVER YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT CAN GO ON IN A HOUSE WILL GO ON IN THAT HOUSE. ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES THAT CANNOT BE ENFORCED, NOT BY OWNERS, NOT BY OPERATORS, NOT BY THE PLATFORMS, NOT EVEN BY THE POLICE. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW, BUT MANY ARE BEYOND THE LAW. 5,000 HOMES ARE AFFECTED BY THIS LAWLESS INCURSION AND THAT'S JUST THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT DIRECTLY SURROUND THE 700 SHORT-TERM RENTALS. 12,000 PLANO RESIDENTS LIVE IN THESE HOMES. I SPEAK WITH ONE NEARLY EVERYDAY. THIS IS NOT WHY THEY MOVED TO PLANO. AND THEY'RE NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT GRASS THAT'S TOO TALL OR A POTHOLE THAT NEEDS TO BE FILLED -- EXCUSE ME. THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THEIR FAMILY, THE SAFETY OF THEIR CHILDREN. WEEED TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORS, WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR FAMILIES, AND WE NEED YOUR HELP TO DO SO. POLICE ENFORCE OUR ZONING LAWS AND BRING BACK THE PEACE AND SECURITY THAT WE HAVE COME TO VALUE AND EXPECT IN OUR TREASURED PLANO COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND DEDICATED SERVICE TO OUR CITY. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, MR. FRANCE. [APPLAUSE]. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS JUDY NEAL. >> JUDY NEAL, PLANO. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A BELIEVER IN LIVE AND LET LIVE, BUT WHEN PEOPLE START DEMANDING THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THEIR LIFESTYLES, I HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE. I WAS SHOCKED TO HEAR OF AN EVENT THAT WAS HELD THIS PAST WEEKEND, NOT SO MUCH THE GAY ASPECT OF THE EVENT, BUT THE SATANISTS, THE EXORCISM, THE DRAG QUEENS INTERACTING WITH SMALL CHILDREN, THE PORNOGRAPHY ON THE TABLES. OH, AND THE VAN TO CHECK FOR STD'S, THAT WAS DISTURBING. NO CHILD SHOULD BE SUBJECTED TO THE SEXUAL CONTENT OF THE LITERATURE THAT WAS ON THOSE TABLES. GROOMI ANDT'S AGAINSTIS THE LAW. AS OUR CITY COUNCIL SITTING ON THIS DAIS, FOR YOU TO HAVE ALLOWED THIS DISPLAY IN PUBLIC IS VERY UPSETTING. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN HELD INDOORS, OUT OF THE REACH OF PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING UP TO THE PARK WITH THEIR OWN CHILDREN, NOT REALIZING WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE PARK THAT DAY. WOKISM IS KILLINGS AND WE'RE IN A BATTLE OF GOOD AGAINST EVIL, AND I'D HATE TO THINK THAT YOU'RE SUPPORTING THE EVIL. THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MORRIS GARCIA. >> MAYOR MUNS AND CITY COUNCILMEMBERS GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MORRIS GARCIA AND I'VE BEEN A CITIZEN OF PLANO SINCE 1992. I'M ALSO THE CO-FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF THE NORTH TEXAS PRIDE FOUNDATION, A 501(c)3 ORGANIZATION THAT ALLOWS INTEGRATION AND EQUALITY FOR THE LBGTQ PLUS AND ALLIES AND FORUMS AND EVENTS THAT PROMOTE PRIDE AND SELF ACCEPTNESS, EDUCATION AND AWARENESS AND SOAL IERACON. ON SEPTEMBER 17TH WE HELD OUR, NO PRIDE COME AS YOU ARE FESTIVAL, WHICH IS A FAMILY FRIENDLY EVENT TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY MEMBERS TO MEET OTHERS OF DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND MAKE NEW FRIENDS. PUTTING THIS EVENT TOGETHER TAKES QUITE A BIT OF TIME TO ENSURE THAT ALL GOES WELL AND SMOOTHLY FOR OUR SPONSORS, OUR VENDORS, OUR ENTERTAINERS AND OF COURSE OUR GUESTS. EARLIER THIS YEAR PLANO OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED JUNE AS PLANO PRIDE MONTH. WE WERE HONORED TO BE PRESENTED AND RECOGNIZED FOR THE WORK THE VOLUNTEER BOARD OF DIRECTORS DOES AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY. EACH YEAR SINCE 2011 WE HAVE DESIGNATED AN ORGANIZATION THAT BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, AS A BENEFICIARY. EACH YEAR THE NORTH TEXAS PRIDE FOUNDATION DONATES A PORTION OF OUR PROCEEDS FROM THAT ANNUAL EVENT. ORGANIZATIONS LIKE CITY HOUSE, ASSISTANT SISTER OF PLANO, HOPE'S DOOR, MY FRIEND'S HOUSE, ELEVATE AND OTHERS. THIS YEAR'S BENEFICIARY IS PLANO COMMUNITY HOME. THIS YEAR'S EVENT WAS A BIT MORE CHALLENGING FROM TIME TO TIME WE EXPERIENCED PROTESTERS, BUT NOT TO THE DEGREE OF THIS YEAR. WE WANT TO THANK THE CITY OF PLANO CITY COUNCIL AND THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF ED DRAIN, BY PLANO LEADERSHIP CLASSMATE. ADDITIONALLY SERGEANT BRIAN FRANCE, THE MEN AND WOMEN IN BLUE AND MANY OTHERS WHOSE PRESENCE AND SKILL KEPT EVERYONE WITH A SENSE OF COMFORT AND SECURITY. WE WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN AND WE ALSO WANT TO SINCERY APOLOGIZE FOR ANY UNNECESSARY PRESENCE OR UNWELCOMED PRESENCE, AND PROMISE TO DO DUE DILIGENCE IN OUR SCREENING IN THE FUTURE OF OUR VENDORS AND BE SURE THAT NO ONE IS EXPOSED TO ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE OFFENSIVE. I HAVE A PLAQUE HERE FOR THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO JUST PASS IT OVER HERE. >> Mayor Muns: YES, THANK YOU. >> AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS DIANA BISCANE. >> GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS AND EVERYBODY HERE. GOOD EVENING. I'M DIANA, I LIVE IN PLANO. I LOVE THE CITY. MY KIDS WERE BORN AND RAISED HERE. I LOVE TO LISTENING TO YOU, THAT WAS AWESOME. BUT NOW THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT SOMETHING I HAVE TO SAY THAT I'M DISTURBED, I GUESS THAT'S THE BEST WORD. MANY ADJECTIVES, MAYBE I'M ANGRY, MAYBE I'M UPSET, MAYBE I'M CONCERNED, BUT I'M CERTAINLY DISTURBED ABOUT THE EVENT ON THE 17TH ON SATURDAY. IT WAS PITCHED AS FAMILY FRIENDLY. I V A TOTAL OPPOSITION TO THAT. I DIDN'T SEE FRIENDLY AND I DIDN'T SEE FAMILY. I FELT LIKE IT WAS AN ASSAULT ON OUR TRADITIONAL VALUES, OUR CHILDREN AND OUR FAMILIES. WHY ARE YOU SAYING THIS DIANA? LET ME GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES. WHEN YOU ARRIVE, YOU GET A FREE MAGNET THAT SAYS SLUT. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO DO WITH THAT MAGNET TA THAT SAYS SLUT. I APPRECIATE THE GIVING OF THE GIFT, THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD BUT IT GETS WORSE FROM HERE. SO AS YOU GO INTO THE EVENT YOU SEE TABLES THAT ARE VERY LOW TO THE GROUND THAT WAY THE KIDS WHO GET IN FREE UP TO AGE 12, WHICH IS REALLY THE TARGET MARKET FOR SEXUALIZATION AND INDOCTRINATION, BUT ANYWAY, THE TABLES ARE VERY LOW TO THE GROUND AND THEY HAVE ALL THESE CUTE LITTLE MAGTS WITH BEAUTIFUL COLORS AND SAYINGS AND THE KIDS GET TO PICK ONE THEY WANT. WELL, ON THOSE CUTE LITTLE MAGNETS IS PORNOGRAPHY, OBSCENITY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO READ TO YOU, AND I HAVE ALL OF THEM RIGHT HERE. I HAVE THEM ON MY PHONE, THERE'S MUCH MORE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO READ TO YOU, ALTHOUGH SOME OF THEM ARE OBJECT SCENE. MAY I MOVE FORWARD? >> Mayor Muns: IS THAT NECESSARY? >> YEAH. IT IS NECESSARY. >> Mayor Muns: WELL, I THINK THE SAME OBJECON YOU HAVE TO OBSCENITY IS THE SAME OBJECTION I HAVE TO HAVE IT HERE. >> WELL, THE POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE IS -- >> Mayor Muns: WE GET THE POINT. >> DO YOU GET IT? >> Mayor Muns: YES, THANK YOU, BUT KEEP GOING, BUT DON'T READ IT, PLEASE. >> IT'S KIND OF AN IRONY, I CAN'T SAY THOSE WORDS IN HERE, BUT YET WE HAVE AN OPEN VENUE FOR THREE-YEAR-OLDS AND FOUR-YEAR-OLDS AND FIVE-YEAR-OLDS WHO COULD VERY EASILY READ ALL OF THESE DISGUSTING THINGS AND ASK MOMMY AND DADDY WHAT ARE THOSE? OKAY, WE'LL PUT THATSIDE BUT THEY ARE OBSCENE AND THEY ARE AWFUL. NEXT, THERE WAS AN EXORCISM RIGHT BESIDE ME GOING ON AND I THOUGHT, WELL, ISN'T THIS INTERESTING, WE HAD ONE YOUNG MAN LAYING ON THE GROUND WIGGLING, SCREAMING, YELLING AND OF COURSE WE HAD THE EXORCIST TALKING IN TONGUES SCREAMING YELLING CHANTING. I THOUGHT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I DON'T SEE ANY FUN IN THIS EITHER. THEN WE GET TO THE DRAG QUEENS WHICH WE CAN ALWAYS COUNT ON THEM. THEY LOVE SHOWING UP. THEY LOVE DANCING, DRESSING UP LIKE WOMEN, DANCING WITH THE SMALL CHILDREN, TWERKING JERKING SHIMMYING. IT'S UNFORTUNATELY PREDATOR'S FANTASY IS HAVING ALL THESE CHILDREN DANCING AROUND. [BUZZER]. I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS VERY FAMILY, THAT WAS VERY FRIENDLY. I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT WE HAD THAT EVENT IN THE CITY OF PLANO. AND I JUST THINK WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT. AND I JUST HOPE THAT YOU TAKE OUR WORDS TO HEART AND REALIZE THAT IT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE AND IF THEY COULD HAVE HAD IT INDOORS SOMEWHERE THAT WASN'T SO OPEN IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A BETTER SCENARIO. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> SO I THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GREG PATILLO. >> GOOD EVENING MAYORND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS GREG PATILLO, A 29 YEAR RESIDENT OF PLANO. IN THE PAST I'VE PRESENTED BUSINESS CASES THAT DEMONSTRATE THE NEGATIVE IMPACT THAT NOT OWNER OCCUPIED STRs HAVE ON OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES AND OUR SCHOOLS. TONIGHT I PREPARED AN ADDITIONAL BUSINESS CASE FOR YOU, BUT AS I WAS PUTTING TOGETHER THE NUMBERS I SIMPLY GOT LOST. ACTUALLY OVERWHELMED WHICH WOULD BE AN EXTREME SHOCK TO ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME. SO GOOD NEWS, TONIGHT SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT. I'M GOING TO PAUSE FOR A MOMENT AND DURING TTAUSE I WOULD LIKE FOR ALL OF US HERE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO REMEMBER ONE OR TWO OF OUR MOST FONDEST CHILDHOOD MEMORIES. YOU SEE, YESTERDAY WAS THE ONE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF LOSING MY FATHER. AND TODAY WOULD HAVE BEEN MY MOTHER'S 84TH BIRTHDAY. SHE, HIS WIFE OF 65 YEARS, PASSED IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR OF A BROKEN HEART. THE COMFORT THAT I HAVE IS IN YOUR FAITH AND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN REUNITED FOR ALL OF ETERNITY AND ALL OF THE MEMORIES THAT HAVE FILLED MY THOUGHTS OVER THE PAST SEVERAL DAYS, ONE OF WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT. THE HOME MY BROTHER AND I GREW UP IN IS IN SOUTHEAST DALLAS IN AN AREA REFERRED TO AS PLEASANT GROVE. FOR DALLAS IT IS ABOUT AS FAR GEOGRAPHICALLY AND ECONOMICALLY AS YOU COULD GET FROM PLANO AT THE TIME. A SMALL THREE-BEDROOM ONE AND A HALF SINGLE-FAMILY HOME THAT MY PARENTS BOUGHT FOR $14,000. THEY HAD TO SAVE THE MORTGAGE PAPERWORK. MY BROTHER AND I LOVED PLAYING SPORTS AND VARIOUS PORTIONS OF OUR HOUSE AND YARD WERE CONVERTED TO A BASKETBALL COURT, A BASEBALL DIAMOND, A TENNIS COURT AND EVEN A GOLF COURSE. ALL THAT ON A LOT HALF THE SIZE OF AN AVERAGE LOT IN PLANO. ONE EVENING AFTER COMPLETING OUR POST MEAL RESPONSIBILITIES MY BROTHER AND I HEADED OUT TO THE BASEBALL DIAMOND IN THE BACKYARD FOR A LITTLE BATTING PRACTICE. WHILE WE WERE JUST KIDS WE WERE SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT HITTING TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORS' HOME WAS A BAD IDEA. OUR HOME WAS MOSTLY BREAK WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO WINDOWS AND A BACK DOOR. ONE OF THE WINDOWS WAS OTECTED BY AN OBSTACLE THAT BELIEVE WAS TO CREATE OBSTACLES FOR US WHEN WE MOWED. THE OTHER ONE WAS A SMALL TWO FOOT BY TWO FOOT WINDOW AT THE HIGHEST UPPER REACHES AT THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE THAT SAT JUST ABOVE THE KITCHEN SINK THAT LET IN NATURAL LIGHT. THE KITCHEN SINK IS WHERE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T HAVE AUTOMATIC DISHWASHERS ACTUALLY WASHED THEIR DISHES AFTER THE EVENING MEAL. WE WERE BOTH FAIRLY GOOD WITH A BAT AND PITCHING AND SO THE BALL WAS HIT STRAIGHT BACK TO IT WAS HIT HARDER THAN YOU AUSTIN OR CONSIDERED SMART. BUT OF COURSE KIDS AREN'T REALLY KWN FOR THEIR GREAT JUDGMENT AND ARE PRONE TO BRAIN OUTAGES AND SOMEWHERE IN MY BROTHER'S HEAD HE HEARD A COACH TELLING HIM, HIT AWAY. THE RESULT WAS A LINE DRIVE HEINE ANY WINDOW ABOVE THE STREET WHERE MY MOTHER WAS FINISHING CLEANING UP AFTER THE MEAL. [BUZZER] WHILE SHE WAS SHAKEN SHE WAS NOT INJURED. MESH SCREENS DO A GOOD JOB OF SLOWING DOWN LINE DRIVES. THE RESULT OF THIS AND I'LL LEAVE IT HERE, IS AS THE GRASS BROKE, THE SIMULTANEOUS RESPONSE WAS MY HOUSE EJECTING MY FATHER FROM THE FRONT DOOR COMING WITH A WEAPON OF MASS CONSTRUCTION. TO KEEP IT G WE'LL KEEP THE VIOLENCE AND GORE OUT. WHAT I WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH TONIGHT IS IMAGINE YOUR CHILDHOOD MEMORIES WITHOUT YOUR CHILDHOOD HOME. HOW DIFFERENT THAT IS. WE REALIZE THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS EASY. WE'VE GIVEN YOU A GREAT RESPONSIBILITY AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE ACCEPTED THAT. BUT YOU HAVE A GREAT GIFT AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE THAT FUTURE CHILDREN OF PLANO HAVE A CHILDHOOD MEMORY WITH A GREAT HOME. THANK YOU. >> LINDA MCCONNELL. [APPLAUSE]. >> HI, EVENING. MY NAME IS LINDA MCCONNELL AND I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE IN PLANO FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS. I'VE BEEN IN AND OUT OF THIS BUILDING A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, AND TODAY I NEEDED TO COME BECAUSE I AM THE HOA PRESIDENT FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE HOMEOWNERS AND OUR 170 HOME COMMUNITY HAS DECIDED TO HAVE A COMMUNITY YARD SALE. OUR HOMES ARE ALL AT THE 20, 25 YEAR RANGE AND OUR CLOSETS ARE FULL. I WANTED TO GO ABOUT THIS PROCESS THE RIGHT WAY BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN RULES AND I HAVE BEEN APPLYING FOR PERMITS ONLINE. AND I CAME DOWN TODAY TO SEEK A BANNER PERMIT. IAS DISTURBED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIVING IN STRANGE TIMES. AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE PROBABLY LIVING IN THE GREATEST PLACE ON EARTH. WE'RE IN PLANO. WE ALL HAVE GREAT JOBS. AND WHEN SOMEONE COMES DOWN TO THE CITY THERE IS NO REASON WHY THEY SHOULDN'T BE GREETED WITH RESPECT AND KINDNESS. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU HAVE CAMERAS IN THIS BUILDING TO PLEASE GO BACK AND FOLLOW MY VISIT HERE TODAY. WHEN I MET WITH THE GENTLEMAN TO DISCUSS THE PERMIT, I WAS GREETED WITH "WE HAVE TO ENFORCE THE LAWS." SO THE LAW STATES COMMERCIAL BANNERS ARE PROHIBITED IN SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. ON MY WAY HERE I PASSED OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVING COMMUNITY-WIDE SALES. SO I WAS SURPRISED WHEN THEY TOLD ME WE COULDN'T HAVE A BANNER. SO I ASKED THE GENTLEMAN DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO GO BACK TO 170 HOMEOWNERS WHO ARE PAYING MAXIMUM TAXES AND TELL THEM THAT WE CAN'T HAVE A BANNER? THE PROBLEM IS THIS GENTLEMAN EARLIER SAYS TO HIS CO-WORKER, YOU SEE, THESE PEOPLE COME IN HERE AND THEY THINK THEY OWN THAT LAND, AND THEY DON'T. THEY CAN'T HAVE A BANNER. I WAS REALLY DISTURBED. I'M A REALTOR. I ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE MY BEST FOOT FORWARD. AND TO HEAR SOMETHING LIKE THAT -- >> 20 SECONDS. >> AND KNOWING ALL THE UPKEEP WE DO IN THOSE EASEMENTS, IT'S REALLY DISHEARTENING THAT IF YOU WANT TO CALL US COMMERCIAL ONE DAY, IF YOU WANT TO CALL US A 501(c)3 ANOTHER DAY OR A C CORP OR AN S CORP, ALL WE WANT TO DO IS HAVE A YARD SALE. [BUZZER]. THAT WOULD REALLY BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY. RECYCLING, IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ENRICHING THE LIVES OF THE FAMILIES THAT LIVE HERE. SO I'D ASK YOU TO PLEASE TAKE A SECOND LOOK AT MY APPLICATION, MAYBE LAW CAN INTERPRET THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND WE CAN FIND A CONCLUSION THAT WOULD REALLY SERVE THE CONSTITUENTS IN OUR CITY. AND THESE ARE THE CARDS OF THE PEOPLE THAT I SPOKE WITH TODAY AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PASS THOSE ALONG BECAUSE WE CAN DO BETTER. >> MS. MCCONNELL, JACK CARR IS UP HERE. IF YOU WOULD HAND THOSE CARDS OFF TO MR. CARR WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU TOMORROW. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> Mayor Muns: AND COUNCIL, SEVERAL SPEAKERS WERE MENTIONING THE EVENT ON THE 17TH. I JUST WANTED TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT THIS IS A PRIVATE EVENT THAT GOES THROUGH THE SPECIAL EVENT PROCESS WITH THE CITY AND OTHERS -- A LOT OF COMMENTS TOWARDS THAT, BUT JUST WANTED TO REMIND COUNCIL OF THAT ELEMENT. SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: LET'S MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> BEFORE WE DO THAT, SIR, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTITY TO HAVE IMS TH WERE PULLED FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. >> Mayor Muns: WELL, I WAS JUST GOING TO HAVE THEM PULL THEM RIGHT NOW. [LAUGHTER]. IS THERE ANY ITEM -- >> THERE IS ONE THAT WE NEED TO DO. IT'S ITEM I, IT WAS AN ORDINANCE AND IT WAS MISSING A COUPLE OF CLAUSES THAT WERE INCLUDED AND WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. COUNCIL HAS A COPY OF THE UPDATED ORDINANCE TO LOOK AT. SO IT SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO. >> Mayor Muns: IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE? ALL RIGHT. >> THE CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION BY A COUNCIL MEMBER, THE CITY MANAGER OR ANY CITIZEN. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS. >> MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA EXCEPT FOR ITEM I. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> HE DID. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: SRY. >> NO WORRIES. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM I. PLEASE VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLMER HOW DO YOU VOTE? >> Holmer: I VOTE YES. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES 8-0. ITEM I. >> ITEM I, TO AMEND SECTION 2-136 OF ARTICLE 6, MANAGE MANAGEMENT OF CHAPTER 2 ADMINISTRATION OF THE CITY OF PLANO CODE OF ORDINANCES TO REVISE THE COMPREHENSIVE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PLAN AND PROVIDING REPEALER CLAUSE, SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PENALTY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND T APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM I. PLEAST VOTE. COUNCIL MEMBER HOLMER. >> Holmer: I VOTE YES. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES 8-O. ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. >> ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL IF NEEDED. LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY AMEND THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT PUBLIC COMMENT -- NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, THE LENGTH OF THE AGENDA AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY AND MAY INCLUDE A CUMULATIVE TIME LIMITS. SPEAKERS WILL BE JOINED IN THE ORDER THE REQUESTS ARE REIVED UNTIL THE CUMULATIVE TIME IS EXHAUSTED. ITEM NUMBER 1, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF APPEALS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S DENIALS OF ZONING CASE 2022-011 AND EXCEPT PLAN 2022-9, REQUEST TO REZONE 7.8 ACRES FROM PLAN DEVELOPMENT 12 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE 7 TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 12 MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE 1 AND REQUEST FOR 80 MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING UNITS ON ONE LOT 6.8 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF JUPITER ROAD AND LOIS BOULEVARD ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 12 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE 7. THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT THE SEPTEMBER 20TH MEETING. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL EXECUTIVES. I AM CHRISTINA DAY, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. THIS IS CONSIDERATION OF AN APPEAL OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S DENIAL OF A ZONING CASE 2022-11 AND THE ASSOCIATED CONCEPT PLAN 2022-009. THIS I A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT SO A CONCEPT PLAN OR OTHER ASSOCIATED PLAN WAS REQUIRED AS PART OF THIS ZONING REQUEST. SO THIS PROPERTY AS NOTED IS AT THE CORNER OF JUPITER ROAD AND LOS RIOS BOULEVARD. IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 12 SINGLE-FAMILY 7. THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE IT TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 12 MULTI-FALY 1. IT WAS PREVIOUSLY ZONED AGRICULTURE AND WAS REZONED IN 2016 TO THE CURRENT ZONING. YOU CAN SEE THE NOTICE BUFFERS ON -- IN THE PHOTO OR THE GRAPHIC ON THE SCREEN. THE BLUE INDICATES A 200-FOOT NOTICE AND THE RED INDICATES A 500-FOOT NOTICE BOUNDARY. WILL AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH SHOWS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN LLOWND THE SURROUNDING LAND USE AND REMOTE DEVELOPMENT FROM AN AERIAL VIEW. IT INCLUDES VACANT LAND, SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND PART OF THE OAK POINT PARK AND NATURE PRESERVE. THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. IT IS A CONCEPT PLAN SHOWING AN 80 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT IS LIMITED TO TWO STORIES. IT ALSO INCLUDES A COMMUNITY BUILDING AND SWIMMING POOL. IT IS UTILIZING A FLOOD STUDY THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2016 AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT REQUEST THAT CAME THROUGH AT THE TIME THE PROPERTY WAS REZONED THEN. SO CONSIDERING AS THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS MOVES FORWARD, IF THE ZONING WERE TO BE APPROVED, THAT FLOOD STUDY MAY NEED TO BE UPDATED, BUT THE CURRENT -- THAT FLOOD STUDY WAS UTILIZED TO PREPARE THIS PLAN. THIS IS A SNAPSHOT OF THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT SHOWS THE PROPERTY'S DESIGNATED NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. ACCORDING TO THE CITY'S CURRENT LAND USE AND HOUSING INVENTORY, THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS UNDEVELOPED AND FOR HOUSING. YOU CAN SEE HOUSING SURROUNDING AS WELL AS OPEN SPACE. THE BLUEREA INDICATING A, THE AGRICULTURE ZONING, AND UNDEVELOPED PLANNED. -- THIS REQUEST, THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MIX ANALYSIS THAT WE DID. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE DETACHED SINGLE-FAMILY MIX BECAUSE THAT WOULD REMAIN IN CONFORMANCE BECAUSE IT WOULD DROP SLIGHTLY WITH THIS REQUEST, BUT THE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AND TODAYOULD REMAIN OUT OFXIST COMPLIANCE DUE TO THIS REQUEST. THE DESIRABLE CHARACTER DEFINING DEVELOPMENTS FOR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE LARGELY MET BY THIS REQUEST. YOU CAN SEE AS INDICATED BY THE KIND OF RADIO BUTTONS THAT WE'VE PUT BESIDE THE DASHBOARD FOR EASE OF USE THAT IT LARGELY MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS HIGH, DENSITY, INTENSITY, OPEN SPACE, PARKING ORIENTATION, TOMOBILES, MICRO MOBILITY AND PEDESTRIANS. THE ONE AREA THAT DID NOT -- THAT WAS A CONCERN WAS TRANSIT ORIENTATION. WE'LL TALK A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THAT LATER. OTHER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES THAT WERE NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT WERE THE SPECIAL HOUSING NEEDS POLICY. THAT STATES THAT PLANO WILL SUPPORT SPECIAL HOUSING NEEDS. SPECIFICALLY THERE WERE DETAILS THERE THAT 11% OF HOUSEHOLDS IN PLANO ARE COST BURDENED, AND TT PLANO WILL HELP INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS A HIGH PRIORITY DUE TO OUR CONSOLIDATED PLAN POLICIES. SO THIS PROJECT WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THE SPECIAL HOUSING NEEDS POLICY. IN REDEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT ACTION 8, MULTI-FAMILY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BASED ON INDIVIDUAL SITE CONSIDERATIONS DASHBOARDS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND THINGS SUCH AS SPECIAL HOUSING NEEDS. SO THERE WERE KIND OF A MIX THERE. BUT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DOMINATED THAT CATEGORY. THEN WITH REGARD TO REDEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT ACTION 1, IT STATES THAT THE REQUESTS THAT DO NOT CONFORM THAT THE DASHBOARD'S MIX OF USES, DENSITY AND BUILDING HEIGHTS ARE DISFAVORED. IT'S A VERY STRONG STATEMENT IN THE PLAN, BUT IT ALSO COUNTERS WITH OCCASIONALLY THAT THE COUNCIL MAY ALLOW PROPOSALS THAT ARE MEETING THE FOUR FOLLOWING CRITERIA CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BENEFICIAL TO IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOODS THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND GENERAL PUBLIC INTEREST, CAREFULLY DELIBERATED AND JUSTIFIED BY FINDINGS. SO IF THOSE FOUR STANDARDS ARE MET THAT WOULD BE THE TIME WHEN SUCH A PROPOSAL WOULD BE ALLOWS TO EXCEED THE DISFAVORED STANDARD. RESIDENTIAL USE IN THE AREA. THIS IS A VERY LOWENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREA. THEY'RE ACREAGE LOTS AND CITY OF PLANO PARKLAND. ALSO IN THE AREA THE ENVISION OAK POINT PLAN DOES PROVIDE FOR A NEW INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN RELATIVELY CLOSE PROXIMITY. WITH REGARD TO DENSITY AND HEIHT, THE REQUEST DOES INCREASE THE DENSITY FROM 6.2 UNITS PER ACRE TO 11.7 UNITS PER ACRE ON THE PROPERTY. IT IS LESS THAN THE MAXIMUM DENSITY ALLOWED IN THE MF2 DISTRICT AND THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROPOSED TO LIMIT THE HEIGHT TO TWO STORIES AND 30 FEET, WHICH IS NOT ONLY LESS THAN WOULD BE ALLOWED TYPICALLY IN THE DISTRICT, WHICH IS THREE STORIES AND 40 FEET, BUT ALSO IS LESS THAN A TYPICAL SINGLE-FAMILY DISTRICT, WHICH IS TWO STORIES AND 35 FEET. WITH THAT THE CONVERSATION CAME UP AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, LL, AT ABOUT THE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED DISTRICT? THIS LOOKS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THAT IN THE SENSE THAT THE DENSITY IS -- CAN GO UP TO 12 UNITS PER ACRE UNDER SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES IN THE SFA DISTRICT. THERE ARE SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES UNDER WHICH THAT'S ALLOWED. TYPICALLY SFA ALLOWS ONLY 10 UNITS PER ACRE. THAT'S WHEN MULTIPLE UNITS ARE PLATTED ON A SINGLE LOT, WHICH WOULD BE THE CASE HERE. MOST LIKELY BASED ON THE CONCEPT PLAN SUBMITTED. AND IT'S WHEN THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING ADDITIONAL AMENITIES SUCH AS OPEN SPACE LANDSCAPING SCREENING, THE SUBDIVISION DESIGN IS UNIQUE OR THERE'S A NEED TO HAVE A SPECIAL TREATMENT OF THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. SO THAT'S DEFINED BY THE ORDINANCE. SO SOME DIFFERENCES WE SAW WERE THAT SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED TYPICALLY HAS PROVISION OF THINGS LIKE GARAGES. IT'S REQUIRED, HAS PARKING PADS AND A DRIVEWAY, HAS NCINTHAT'S DIFFERENT FROM MULTI-FAMILY TO SINGLE-FAMILY. UNIT SIZES ARE DIFFERENT WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. AND THE OPEN SPACE CALCULATIONS ARE DIFFERENT. THERE'S TRASH COLLECTION THAT'S DIFFERENT SO THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENT STANDARDS WITHIN THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD MAKE IT DIFFERENT, SO IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE WHOLLY DIFFERENT, BUT THERE ARE SOME SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENCES. SO THOSE CHANGES MIGHT BE ACCOMMODATED THROUGH THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, BUT THEY WEREN'T PROPOSED, AND SINCE IT WASN'T REALLY A NATURAL FIT WITH THE PROJECT'S DESIGN IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY CONSIDERED. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE FUTURE IF IT WAS DESIRED. TRANSIT ACCESS. SO BECAUSE THIS IS PART OF THE DASHBOARD WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. THIS IS A PORTION OF THE DART MAP FOR EAST PLANO AND THEIR SERVICE AREAS, SO YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP EDGE OF DART'S GO LINK SERVICE AREA THERE'S EAST SPRING CREEK PARKWAY AND PARK BOULEVARD ARE SORT OF THE BOUNDARIES THERE AND WE SHOWED YOU THE PROXIMATE LOCATION OF THE PROJECT. SO THIS IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY ONE MILE OUTSIDE THE GOLINK ZONE. AND IT'S ABOUT AN EIGHT-MINUTE DRIVE WITH A PERSONAL VEHICLE OR A 3.5-MILE WALK TO PARK ROAD STATION. AND 2.8 MILES TO THE NEAREST BUS STOP. SO PROPOSED PD RESTRICTIONS FROM THE APPLICANT INCLUDE A MAXT 80, AND AGAIN WE -- THEY WERE SELF LIMITING OF THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT. SO TOTAL RESPONSES RECEIVED, WE RECEIVED A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF RESPONSES, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP. IT IS OF UNIQUE RESPONSES, WHICH IS THE NUMBER WE TYPICALLY GIVE TO THE CITY COUNCIL, 565 TOTAL RESPONSES, 551 IN OPPOSITION, SIX NEUTRAL AND EIGHT IN SUPPORT. WE DID RECEIVE MORE RESPONSES THAN THAT, BUT MANY WERE DUPLICATE RESPONSES. ADDITIONAL RESPONSES CAME FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY OF PLANO, 41 FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY. AND THEN WE RECEIVED FOUR IN OPPOSITION FROM WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE AREA THAT DID TRIGGER A SUPER MAJORITY REQUIREMENT WITH MORE THAN 20% OPPOSITION WITHIN 200 FEET. SO 20% OF THE LAND AREA IS OPPOSED. WE ALSO DID HAVE SUPPORT WITHIN 200 FEET AT 3.3% OF THE LAND AREA. SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND DENIAL WITH A UNANIMOUS EIGHT TO ZERO VOTE. THERE IS AGAIN A SUPER MAJORITY REQUIREMENT OF SIX OF EIGHT COUNCIL MEMBERS TO APPROVE THIS CASE. AND FINDINGS ARE ALSO REQUIRED UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I BELIEVE MS. HENDERSON HAS FINDINGS FORMS AVAILABLE FOR YOU. AND WITH THAT I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AND THERE IS A PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SORRY. >> YOU BRIEFLY MENTIONED THE FLOOD STUDY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID. THAT THERE WAS ONE DONE DID YOU SAY 2016? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> AND DID YOU SAY IT WOULD FOR SURE NEED TO BE DONE AGAIN OR POSSIBLY? >> I THINK IT'S POSSIBLY NEED TO BE UPDATED. IT WOULD JUST DEPEND ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE PROPOSAL. IT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? >> WE DO. DID YOU WANT TO HEAR THE APPLICANT FIRST? >> Mayor Muns: PLEASE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M ANGELA HUNT, I REPRESENT THE DEVELOPMENT. I WANT TO GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE CASE. THE PLANNER DID AN EXCELLENT JOB. THIS IS A 6-POINT -- THIS IS A 6.8-ACRE SITE IN NORTHEAST PLANO. THE PROPOSAL IS TO REZONE THIS TO ALLOW FOR MULTI-FAMILY. THE MULTI-FAMILY WOULD BE LIMITED TO THE LEAST DENSE OF PLANO'S MUL-FAMY DISTRICTS, MF1, AND WE WOULD ALSO LIMIT THE HEIGHT TO TWO STORIES. AS YOU HEARD, 30 FEET. IT WOULD BE LOWER THAN MANY OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN THE AREA. WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS IT IS A MIXED INCOME PROJECT. IT WILL HAVE 16 MARKET RATE UNITS ALONG WITH 64 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. WE THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR THIS PROJECT, PARTICULARLY CONSIDERING PLANO'S CHALLENGES AS ALL NORTH TEXAS CITIES, AND FINDING ENOUGH HOUSING FOR ITS RESIDENTS AT AN AFFORDABLE PRICE. I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO MANISH WHO WILL TELL YOU MORE ABOUT VERY KA DEVELOPMENT AND THE -- VERY SO DEVELOPMENT AND THE PROJECT. >> GOOD EVENING AND HELLO. I AM WITH VERSA DEVELOPMENT AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I WAS HERE A FEW MONTHS AGO TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT BACK IN FEBRUARY. IT WAS DIFFERENT WEATHER, WAS MUCH COLDER BACK THEN. BUT WE WERE HERE AT THAT TIME REQUESTING AT THAT TIME YOUR SUPPORT FOR OUR APPLICATION FOR THE STATE HOUSING AGENCY FOR OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, THE JUPITER APARTMENTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY. AFTERHAT MEETI WE LEFT THAT MEETING WITH YOUR SUPPORT. WE RECEIVED A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR THE APPLICATION TO MOVE FORWARD AND A UNANIMOUS SITUATION. WE SUBMIT SCHMIDTED OUR APPLICATION TO TDHCA. IF YOU DON'T KNOW IT'S A VERY COMPETITIVE PROJECT. THERE WERE 60 APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED SOME REGION THREE WHICH INCLUDES DALLAS-FORT WORTH AND SURROUNDING AREAS. OF THOSE 60 PLUS APPLICATIONS THERE WERE NINE APPLICATIONS RECOMMENDED FOR AWARD, JUPITER APARTMENTS BEING ONE OF THOSE APPLICATIONS. WE ARE IN A POSITION NOW WHICH IS A GREAT POSITION TO BE IN THANKS TO YOUR SUPPORT THUS FAR TO BE ABLE TO BRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO THE CITY OF PLANO AND THE COMMUNITY. I WILL NOTE THAT ONE OF THE PRIMARY REASONS THAT THE STATE HAS PRIORITIZED OUR APPLICATION IS BECAUSE THEY SEE THAT THERE'S A LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY OF PLANO AND THEY PRIORITIZE APPLICATIONS THAT DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THEIR EYES, BASED ON THEIR DATA, NOT OUR DATA, BASED ON OUR DATA. SO TO NOT TO BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD AFTER TODAY, YOU WILL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE APPLICATIONS FROM OTHERS GOING FS AREA WILL ALWAYS BE OF HIGH PRIORITY TO THE STATE UNTIL AFFORDABLE HOUSING STARTS TO BE BUILT HERE. AND IF WE ARE TO RECEIVE YOUR SUPPORT, THAT WILL ESSENTIALLY IN SOME WAYS TAKE PLANO OUT OF THE STATE'S PRIORITY LEVEL. THAT'S ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND AS YOU CONSIDER OUR APPLICATION. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO THIS CITY AT NO COST TO THE CITY. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A CITY SUBSIDY. WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION LIKE OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, WE'LL BE PAYING FULL PROPERTY TAXES, WE'LL BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY HERE IN PLANO AND AT THE SAME TIME SERVING YOUR NEEDS TO BRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO THIS AREA. I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND. WE ALSO RECOGNIZE WHAT A WONDERFUL ENVIRONMENT THIS AREA OF PLANO IS. AND WE ARE SENSITIVE TO THAT. WE ARE LOOKING TO BRING LOW DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU RARELY SEE. I DON'T KNOW THE LAST TIME YOU SAW SEONE PROPOSE TO YOU LOW DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY BUT I CAN GUESS IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. IT'S LOW DENSITY. THAT'S LESS THAN 12 UNITS AN ACRE WHEN MOST MULTI-FAMILY IS TWO TO THREE TIMES THAT AMOUNT. WE UNDERSTAND WE HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY TO THE NORTH, WE HAVE PRESERVE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH AND WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT ENVIRONMENT MOVING FORWARD. THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO GET DEVELOPED AT SOME POINT WHETHER IT BE THROUGH US OR SOMEBODY ELSE. WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE LONG-TERM STAKEHOLDERS AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE PRIVATE DEVELOPERS AND WE WILL BE LONG-TERM STAKEHOLDERS FOR AT LEAST THE NEX15 YEARS. YOU WILL RECEIVE OPPOSITION TONIGHT, NO QUESTION. EVERYONE SUPPORTS AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT NOT IN THEIR BACKYARD. NEVER. I'VE NEVER HEARD SOMEONE SAY WE SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN MY BACKYARD.KYARD.KYR IT'S UP TO YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEEDS ARE HERE AND HOW CAN WE WORK TOGETHER TO BRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WORKS WELL WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THIS DEVELOPMENT DOES THAT. I REALLY DO. I WOULD NOT HAVE COME THIS FAR IF I DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT. WE HAVE TRIED REALLY HARD TO KEEP THE DENSITY LOW, KEEP TWO STORY BUILDINGS. KEEP OUR HEIGHTS L, MAINTAIN SETBACKS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE, BUT THIS IS NOT SECTION 8 HOUSING. THIS IS A WORKFORCE HOUSING. EVERYBODY HAS A VEHICLE, EVERYBODY DRIVES TO WORK AND THEY'RE ALREADY LIVING HERE. MORE THAN 30% OF THE HOUSEHOLDS WITHIN ONE MILE OF THIS PROPERTY WOULD QUALIFY TO LIVE HERE, MUCH LESS THAN MARKET RATE UNITS. THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT I HOPE YOU CONSIDER AS YOU REVIEW THE REST OF OUR PRESENTATION. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I'M GOING TO PASS IT OFF TO DANIEL AND HE WILL CONTINUE WITH OUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. AS WE CONTINUE HERE WHAT I'LL DO IS JUST TIE BAC TO SOME OF THE CITY OF PLANO'S SELF-STATED GOALS AND HOW THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT TIES TO THOSE. AND REALLY IN WITH A CALL TO ACTION. AND WHAT WE FEEL IS A COMPELLING REASON FOR YOU TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT. WE'VE ALREADY COVERED THE SITE SO I'M JUST GOING TO MOVE ON. WE HAVE A BRIEF AMOUNT OF TIME HERE. SO HERE IS VIEWING NORTH YOU CAN SEE THE SITE JUST NORTH OF THE OAK POINT NATURE PRESERVE. ADDITIONAL APARTMENTS HERE DOWN JUPITER TO THE SOUTH AND DIRECTLY ACROSS ON JUPITER AS WELL. AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE SITE AMENITIES, REALLY HE TOUCHED ON IT THAT WE WANT TO BE IN PLANO BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE IN PLANO. IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. I WAS DROPPING MY SON OFF AT FIRST GRADE THIS MORNING AND I SAID THIS IS REALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN THE PRESENTATION THAT I'LL GIVE THIS EVENING. WHY DO PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE HERE? THEY WANT SAFETY, THEY WANT SECURITY, THEY WANT JOBS, THEY WANT OPPORTUNITY, THEY WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXCEL AND BETTER FOR THEIR CHILDREN. AND HERE JUST OUTLINES SOME OF THE AMENITIES THAT ARE VERY CLOSE. THE TRANSIT THERE IS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER IN YELLOW. IT IS 2.8 MILES AWAY, BUT I'LL COME BACK TO TRANSIT IF YOU FEEL THAT BASED ON CHRISTINA'S PRESENTATION THAT YOU SAW THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONFORMANCE FACTORS THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT MET ALL EXCEPT TRANSIT AND I BELIEVE THAT REALLY TRANSIT INCLUSION IN THE PLAN THAT MAY BE AN ARGUMENT FOR ANOTHER DAY. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME FALLACIES ACCORDING TO IT DISCUSS BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT LOCALIZES POVERTY AND HENCE IT'S UNLIKELY THAT ANYONE WOULD GET AN AWARD UNDER THE TDHCA GUIDELINES. AS WE LOOK HERE THIS IS REALLY A SLIDE TO SHOW JUST THE OPEN SPACE. WE DO HAVE ROUGHLY 60 TO 65% OPEN SPACE ON THIS SITE. YOU HAD MENTIONED THE FLOODPLAIN, MA'AM, AND I DID WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS BASED ON A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FEMA AND CITY OF PLANO CONDITIONAL LETTER MAP REVISION. AND WE WOULD BUILD IT TO THE EXACT SAME STANDARDS OF THAT AS A NEW UPDATED CLMR WOULD NOT HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED TO FEMA. SO THIS CONCEPT PLAN ABIDES BY ALL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT THE CITY OF PLANO HAS TO OFFER. WE WENT THROUGH FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT ITERATIONS AND THIS MEETS ALL OF THE ABOVE. THIS IS AN ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING. REALLY IT WAS OUR GOAL TO FIT THE SCALE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IN FACT, THIS IS LOWER SCALE AS TWO STORY HOMES TYPICALLY ARE 35 FEET HIGH OR UP TO. THIS IS CAPPED AT ABOUT 28 TO 30 FEET. YOU CAN SEE REALLY I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT HERE WHAT YOU DON'T SEE IS EXTERNAL BREEZEWAYS. YOU DON'T SEE ANY COMMON BREEZEWAYS. THESE ARE ALL INDIVIDUAL ENTRIES. AND REALLY IS MORE ALONG THE LINES TO MS. DAY'S POINT EARLIER ABOUT THIS IS REALLY ALIGNING TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED TYPE ZONING. THAT I GUESS DAWNED ON NOT ONLY THE CITY OF PLANO AND BASED ON OUR TIMELINES WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PURSUE THAT. ADDITIONALLY WITH THE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED A TWO-CAR GARAGE REQUIREMENT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE FOR A ONE BEDROOM UNIT. BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS. AS WE LOOK TO THE APPEAL HERE, WE'VE COVERED A LOT OF THIS SO I WILL NOT REITERATE. WE ARE LIMITING THE NUMBER OF UNITS TO 80. WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT 16 MARKET RATE UNITS AND 64 WOULD BE AFFORDABLE, BUT WHAT I THINK IS VALUABLE YOU CAN SEE THERE THE RENT RANGES FOR AFFORDABLE UNITS THEY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. THERE ARE EIGHT UNITS AT INCOME.ENT AREA MEDIAN ANOTHER 40% OF UNITS AT 50%. AND THEN WE HAVE THOSE THAT ARE UNDER 60% AS WELL. BUT MANESH MADE THIS POINT THAT WITHIN A ONE YEAR MILE RADIUS IS 80% OF THE PEOPLE IN THE AREA WOULD QUALIFY TO LIVE HERE. SO I THINK THAT POINT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. THE FOLKS THAT WOULD LIVE HERE ALREADY DO LIVE HERE. AS WE LOOK TO THE APPROACH TO ZONING, THIS IS FROM JUST THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN. D I -- REALLY I APPRECIATE EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM, YOUR CIVIC DUTY, EVERYONE WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING CHRISTINA, ERIC HILL, DONNA, THEY'VE ALL BEEN VERY HELPFUL HERE. WHAT WE FIND IS THAT THE ZONING CASES ARE VERY MUCH, VERY BINARY. THEY'RE SCREWED SPECIFICALLY AND SOLELY AS LAND USE DECISIONS WITHOUT THE QUALITATIVE FACTORS WE'RE BRINGING TO BEAR HERE TODAY AND HOW WE CAN ADDRESS OTHER ASPECTS OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE INITIATIVES AND DIRECTIVES THAT YOU HAVE ADOPTED. SO RIGHT NOW 4.6% OF PLANO IS RAW UNDEVELOPEDANDND THAT MAKES THEIR JOB VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE THEY ARE TASKED TO BE GOOD When it comes to the planning department. We have a lack of affordable housing in the city of plano. When push comes to shove -- AS WE MOVE FORWARD HERE, I WANT TO JUST OLINE THE POLICIES THAT -- THESE ARE QUOTES. I DID NOT WRITE THESE. MANY PLANO RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY RISING RENTAL RATES. MANY HAVE BEEN PRICED OUT OF THE MARKET ENTIRELY. I WILL ADD THAT HAS NOT ONLY CONTINUED, BUT HAS GOTTEN WORSE OVER THE LAST 24 MONTHS. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT ALL PLANO RESIDENTS WILL COME BACK TO THAT, AND THEN THE SPECIAL HOUSING NEEDS POLICY, WHICH WAS TOUCHED ON, THERE IS A SPECIAL HOUSING NEEDS POLICY. OF COURSE, OVER 5% OF OUR UNITS IN THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, ACTUALLY 7%, WOULD BE FOR BOTH MOBILITY, ACCESSIBILITY, AS WELL AS AUDITORY AND VISUAL ACCESSIBLE UNITS. NOT ONLY DOES IT TEND TO LOCALIZE FOLKS THAT ARE IN POLICY, BUT IT ALSO DOES PALESTINIAN MIZ THE FACT OF SELF-SELECTION. IF I'M GOING TO MOVE INTO AN APARTMENT COMMUNITY THAT REQUIRES ME TO DRIVE, I WOULD NOT MOVE THERE IF I DIDN'T HAVE A CAR. IN 2022, WE KNOW THAT THE INCOMES OF FOLKS THAT WOULD LIVE HERE ARE BETWEEN $30,000 AND $75,000 PER YEAR. NOT TO MENTION THE MARKET RATE UNITS. THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE DROP. AS WE LOOK FURTHER INTO THE RESOLUTION LANGUAGE, IT IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST THAT CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF PLANO, THATHE APPLICATION BE MADE FOR SUCH FUNDING FROM THE GDHCA, WHICH WE DID, AND WERE SUCCESSFUL AT. PLANO, THIS IS THE RECENT HUD ANNUAL ACTION PLAN ADOPTED ON JULY 25th PROVIDE DECENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY REHABBING 20 HOMES, DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE TO THREE FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS, AND CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR TWO HOUSEHOLDS. I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU TO REALLY MULTIPLY AND MAGNIFY THE POSITIVE OUTCOMES THAT YOU CAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 64 UNITS, AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN HERE THIS EVENING. CREATE SUITABLE LIVING ENVIRONMENTS. EXPAND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES, WHICH WE WOULD. THE LESS RENT BURDENED YOU ARE, THE MORE DOLLARS YOU HAVE TO SAVE, WHETHER THAT BE FOR A CHILD'S COLLEGE, YOUR OWN EDUCATION. THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS. THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS 3.3%. YET, 35% OF THOSE IN ONE MILE CAN STILL QUALIFY. I'M NOT GOING TO -- AT THE RISK OF BELABORING THE POINT, YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE LANGUAGE HERE IN TERMS HAVE EXPANDING ITS CAPACITY AND PARTNERSHIP. TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACTIVITIES AND CONTINUE TO SEEK OUT EFFORTS WHICH ACCOMPLISH THIS. THE PRIMARY LIMITED FUNDING. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING A HUD BUDGET FROM $4.1 MILLION TO APPROXIMATELY $20 MILLION OVERNIGHT. THE LOCAL MARKET, THE CITY SEEKS TO ASSIST DEVELOPERS THAT PROPOSE HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROJECTS IN PLANO. MOVING ON. REALLY I NEED TO CLOSE HERE. I ONLY HAVE 30 SECONDS REMAINING. REALLY WHAT I FEEL IS THE NEXUS OF THE CONVERSATION IS THAT WHILE WE TALK ABOUT THERE ARE NO PLANO POLICIES THAT STAND IN THE WAY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT HAS BECOME EVIDENT THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ITSELF IS THE IMPEDIMENT BASED ON THE FACT THAT NEIGHBORHOODS WERE CLASSIFIED WITH AN ARBITRARY NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMY HOMES WITH NO MULTI-FAMILY EVER BEING ALLOWED EVEN AS THEY FIT INTO THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY BASED ON AN ARBITRARY LIMITATION ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS. I WOULD LIKE TO FINISH, IF I MIGHT HAVE 30 SECONDS. I APOLOGIZE. TIME FLIES. REALLY, THE ARGUMENT IS THAT ZONING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING ARE LINKED. ESPECIALLY IN A DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS WHERE WE'VE GOT SMALL SCALE. WE CAN'T DEVELOP SOMETHING AS, I GUESS, QUALITATIVELY APPEALING. WE CAN'T MAKE IT FEASIBLE IN THOSE PARTICULAR LOCATIONS. IF WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF MULTI-FAMILY HOMES PERMITTED IN ZONING, WHICH THERE ARE LARGE SWATHS, IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHICH, AGAIN, WOULD HAVE THAT ARBITRARY CEILING NOT ALLOWING MY MULTI-FAMILY, T NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING WAS IN EXCESS IN MULTI-FAMILY UNITS WHEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS PASSED. THAT IS CHALLENGING. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RENT BURDENED HOUSEHOLDS, 30,000 HOUSEHOLDS ARE RENT-BURDENED. THIS IS BASED ON DATA IN 2015. IT'S ONLY GOTTEN WORSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT GROCERIES, CHILD CARE, GAS, THE COST OF EVERYTHING. THAT'S, WHAT, 12% OF THE TOTAL POPULOUS BASED IN 2015 IN THE LAST TWO YEARS WE'VE SEEN 30% RENT INCREASES. IT'S JUST GOTTEN WORSE. I' CLOSE BY JUST SAYING THAT REALLY THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE AND PLANO, I DON'T DOUBT, THAT YOU ARE IN PURSUIT OF THAT, BUT THERE IS NO QUALIFIER ON CITY OF EXCELLENCE. CITY OF EXCELLENCE FOR WHOM? OR THOSE THAT CAN AFFORD TO BUY A HOUSE? CITY OF EXCELLENCE FOR THOSE THAT MAKE ENOUGH AND ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO LIVE HERE? WE JUST ASK THAT YOU GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. >> MUNS: DO WE HAVE A QUESTION? >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU VERY QUICKLY TOUCHED ON ACCESSIBILITY, SOME OF THE HOMES. CAN YOU GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND WHERE THOSE HOMES MIGHT BE LOCATED ON YOUR SITE PLAN? >> THEY'LL BE INTERMINGLED BECAUSE YOU CANNOT DISCRIMINATE. IT HAS TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO ANYBODY THAT'S MOBILITY-CHALLENGED. THERE ISN'T A SPECIFIC LOCATION. EVERYTHING THAT IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, WHETHER IT BE THE CENTER OR THE POOL AREA, KIDS PLAYGROUND, THE SIDEWALKS ACROSS THE SITE, THERE ARE CERTAIN SLOPES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. >> THEN I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU. I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING YOU WERE GOING TO BUILD SPECIFIC HOMES THAT HAVE MORE ACCESSIBLE FEATURES WITHIN THEM. THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WERE -- >> YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE MORE. THAT REALLY COMES AS A CASE BY CASE BASIS. A LOT OF TIMES YOU END UP JUST ROUNDING UP AND HAVING THOSEA ACCOMMODATIONS. THERE'S ALSO AUDITORY AND VISUAL DISABILITIES. THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL UNITS FOR THOSE AS WELL. >> I THINK THE REASON I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE SITE PLAN IS GIVEN THE WAY IT'S CONFIGURED AND YOU HAVE, OBVIOUSLY, HANDICAP PARKING AND THINGS, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU WERE PLANNING TO PUT SOME OF THOSE UNIT CLOSER TO THOSE SPACES SINCE THERE'S NOT GARAGES HERE IT WOULD BE MOSTCONVENIENT. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE. WE DON'T WANT FOR THERE TO BE PARKING AS AN AMENITY, AND ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE THAT THAT PARKING WOULD BE AT A PREMIUM. >> ALONG THE LINES OF THE PARKING, SINCE YOU DO NOT HAVE GARAGES ATTACHED TO ANY OF THESE, I CAN'T TELL FROM THE SITE PLAN, AND MAYBE I JUST SAID IT, BUT ARE ANY OF THESE S SPACES COVERED? >> THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE ARE PLANNING AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME. >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE FARTHEST SPACE IS FROM A HOME THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE TO WALK, THE FARTHEST DISTANCE FROM A SPACE TO THEIR HOME THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO WALK? >> I WOULD SAY THAT JUST TO REITERATE THAT WE'RE SENSITIVE TO THAT SO THAT IF, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE LOOK AT THE UNIT IN THE UPPER RIGHT-HAND CORNER THERE WHERE THERE'S A SIDEWALK AND A HANDICAP SPACE THAT IS THERE, AN ADA SPACE, MORE SPECIFICALLY, THEN IT'S LIKELY THAT THAT THREE-BEDROOM UNIT ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT BUILDING WOULD BE AN ADA UNIT. >> I WAS THINKING IN GENERAL BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY COMES IN LATE AND THE PARKING SPOTS ARE FULL, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW FAR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> SURE. >> THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERRING THAT WAS DISPLAYED, IT APPEARED TO SHOW SINGLE UNITS THAT ARE TWO STORIES TALL. THE CONCEPT PLAN APPEARS TO SHOW TWO UNITS STACKED ONE ATOP THE OTHER. CAN YOU CLARIFY WHICH IT IS? >> THIS PARTICULAR RENDERRING IS FROM A PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENT FROM THE ARCHITECT. WHILE WE WOULD SET BACK THE FACADES THERE, THE ENTIRETY OF THE BUILDINGS ARE TWO-STORY. >> WHEN YOU SAID A SINGLE ENTRANCE, WERE YOU REFERRING TO THIS OLD PROPERTY OR THIS PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED PROPERTY? >> EACH OF THE ENTRIES WOULD BE SINGLEOORS NT TO ONE ANOTHER. IF I AM AT A UNIT THAT IS STACKED ON TOP OF ANOTHER, I HAVE MY INDIVIDUAL ENTRANCE, MY FRONT DOOR. IT WOULD THEN IMMEDIATELY OPEN TO A STAIRCASE. >> SO THIS ISN'T REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT THE UNITS WOULD LOOK LIKE? >> BESIDES THE END CAPS, I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS DOES. >> AM I INCORRECT IN THINKING THIS SHOWS SINGLE UNITS OF TWO STORIES EACH? >> NO, THOSE ARE STACKED UNITS ONE ON THE BOTTOM AND ONE ON THE TOP. I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILED PLANS HERE, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE THEM. I WAS A LITTLE DENSE FOR THIS PRESENTATION. >> I WAS NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE FOR THE SECOND STORY ON THESE IF THERE WERE SEPARATE UNITS. YOU WALK IMMEDIATELY INTO THE STAIRCASE UP. >> OKAY. INTERIOR STAIRWELL. >> THE ONE NEXT WOULD GO TO THE BOTTOM FLOOR. >> YOU MEAN AN INTERIOR STAIRWELL? >> CORRECT, YES. >> THANK YOU. >> IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE. GO AHEAD. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS CURTIS. I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING A HOMEOWNER AND RESIDENT OF PLANO SINCE ABOUT 2013. I ALSO SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA THAT IS TIMBERBROOK ESTATES. WE HAVE JUST ABOUT 813 HOMES IN OUR HOA, AND WE ARE ROUGHLY LESS THAN A MILE AWAY FROM THIS PROPOSED AREA OF LAND. I WANTED TO COME TODAY TO REPRESENT OUR HO BUT ALSO WE HAVE THREE HOAs ALSO WITHIN THIS VERY CLOSE AREA, IMMEDIATE AREA OF WHERE THIS PROPOSAL IS, AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO ALL THE LEADERSHIP. SOME OF THEM MAY SPEAK, BUT I'M ALSO GOING TO SPEAK ON OUR BEHALF. OVERALL, THE OVERWHELMING ANSWER TO THIS FROM THE HOMEOWNERS, THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE HERE, IS A RESOUNDING NO. FROM MANY THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THESE ARE PROPOSED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. MANY OF US ACTUALLY AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE REASON WHY MANY OF US ARE AGAINST THIS IS NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR BACK YARD. IT'S BECAUSE THIS IS A NATURE-FOCUSED AREA. WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE BECAUSE OUR BACK YARD LITERALLY FACING A PRESERVE. WE WANT TO KEEP IT AS A NATURE-FOCUSED AREA, AND HAVING EVEN A LOW-DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX RIGHT THERE TAKES AWAY FROM THAT IMMEDIATELY WHEN YOU TURN ON LOS RIOS. A BIGGER ISSUE IS THE FACT THAT NATURE PRESERVE ALL THE TIME. IN FACT, WE'RE PLANNING FOR THE BALLOON FESTIVAL THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE OF. LOS RIOS, WHERE THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE PROPOSED FOR, THAT AREA IS CONSTANTLY CLOSED DOWN FOR 5Ks, WALKS OF ALL LIKES AND NATURES. THAT WILL ACTUALLY CAUSE A VERY BIG IMPEDIMENT TO ANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY HAVE -- OR THAT ARE RENTING IN THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX BECAUSE THEY THR HOMES WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT S CHANGES TO OUR TRANSIT AREA RIGHT THERE, TO THE WAY THOSE ROADS ARE BUILT. IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT EVEN TODAY WHEN YOU LEAVE IN THE MORNING TO GO TO WORK -- >> 30 SECONDS. >> THE STOP SIGN AT LOS RIOS AND JUPITER WILL GET BACKED UP ALL THE WAY PAST THE ENTRANCE TO THE PARKS AND REC BUILDING RIGHT THERE. ADDING 80 UNITS TO IS AREA WILL DEFINITELY MAKE THIS LESS THAN ADVANTAGEOUS. MY LAST POINT IS I KNOW AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED IN PLANO. THIS AREA IS NOT FOR IT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS A NATURE-FOCUSED AREA, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, OVER 500 INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS HAVE MENTIONED AND SPOKE ON THIS, AND THEY SAID NO. APPROVING THIS TO WOULD SAY TO OUR HOMEOWNERS AND TAXPAYERS THAT OUR VOICES ARE BEING IGNORED IN FAVOR OF A PROPOSAL FROM AN ENTITY THAT IS NOT LOCAL TO PLANO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION. YOU ALL HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. MAYOR MUNS:>> MAYOR MUNS: THAN. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS PATRICIA COLE. >> MY NAME IS PATRICIA ANN COLE. I RESIDE ON BRIGHT STAR NE. WE MOVED INTO PLANO IN 1983 INTO CHARLES DUALLY'S HOME OVER ON 14th PLACE. THEN TEN YEARS AGO WE WENT FOR A SMALLER PROPERTY, AND ARE CURRENTLY JUST NORTH OF OAK POINT PRESERVE. WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WE STILL ARE BEING THE -- CHARLES DUALLY FOR WHOM THE DUALLY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS NAMED. WE ARE CONTINUING THE GOOD WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE ALL OF THESE YEARS. I WILL SAY I LOVED YOUR PHOTOS AND YOUR JUGGLING FOR THE PEANUT DRIVE. IF SOMEBODY NEEDS JUGGLING LESSONS, I HAVE A PERSON FOR YOU. OKAY. YOU'RE GOING TO BE HEARING THE SAME THING THAT YOU'VE BEEN HEARING ALL ALONG. NUMBER ONE, OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT DOES NOT THINK THIS IS SMART. ISN'T THAT THEIR JOB? NUMBER TWO, WENT TO PLANNING AND ZONING, AND IT WAS 8-0 AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. WE HAVE 24.7% IN MULTI-HOUSING IN OUR AREA, WHICH IS OVER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT ALSO VIOLENCE OTHER THINGS IN A XRENSIVE PLAN, SUCH AS BEING IN A FLOOD ZONE. REMEMBER IN 2018 WHEN WE HAD TO CLOSE THE BALLOON FESTIVAL DOWN BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING? THEY'RE RIGHT IN THAT LINE, AND IT WILL MAKE IT ABSOLUTELY WORSE. WE JUST HAVE THAT HAPPENING TO BE COMING UP IN A COUPLE OF DAYS. IN THE JUPITER AREA THERE IS NO OTHER CROSSROAD, AND YOU CANNOT GET INTO THEIR FACILITY EXCEPT MAKING A U-TURN IF YOU ARE COMING FROM THE NORTH AND TRYING TO GET INTO THAT PARTICULAR AREA. HAVE YOU TO MAKE A U-TURN, WHICH IS VERY DANGEROUS BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T DRIVE 40 MILES PER HOUR ON JUPITER. THEY DRIVE 5 A 55. ALSO, IT IS A VERY DANGEROUS ENTRANCE AND EXIT. WE HAD SOMEONE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WAS ALMOST IN A REALLY BAD ACCIDENT, AND THE TRAFFIC IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT TYPE OF UNIT. PLEASE DON'T LET US LOSE OUR BEAUTIFUL AREA THERE TO SOMETHING LIKE IS. THANK YOU. (APPLAUSE) >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ANN LO LOTT. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ANN LOTT, AND I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE INCLUSIVE COMMUNITIES PROJECT, A NON-PROFIT THAT WORKS TO EXPAND FAIR HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOW-INCOME FAMILIES IN HIGH-OPPORTUNITY AREAS. I SEE THAT IT IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ATTRACTIVE FOR LOWER-INCOME FAMILIES BECAUSE IT IS LOCATED IN AN AREA THAT WILL PROVIDE FAMILIES ACCESS TO REAL RESOURCE SCHOOLS, REAL RESOURCE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES NEAR THEIR HOMES, AND ALL OF THE BENEFITS THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS ALREADY OUTLINED. I WON'T OUTLINE THEM AGAIN. I BELIEVE IT'S A GOOD PROJECT BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE CITY'S CONSOLIDATED PLAN. IN YOUR CONSOLIDATED PLAN YOU RECOGNIZE THAT PUTTING HOUSING FOR LOW-INCOME FAMILIES IN HIGH-OPPORTUNITY NEIGHBORHOODS WILL ADDRESS THE BARRIERS TO AFF LOW-INCOME FAMILIES. LAST MONTH I WAS ALSO IN THE P & Z MEETING, AND I HEARD STAFF EXPRESS CONCERN THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WILL NOT WORK BECAUSE IT'S NOT LOCATED NEAR PUBLIC TRANSIT. THIS ACTUALLY CONTRADICTS AND IS NOT IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE REQUIREMENT OR THE BENEFIT OF IT BEING LOCATED IN A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA. THOSE TWO OFTEN DON'T ALIGN. I WANT TO ALSO EXPRESS CONCERN BECAUSE SUCH A REQUIREMENT ASSUMES THAT LOW INCOME FAMILIES DO NOT HAVE CARS ASK DRIVE. THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE TWO AND THREE CARS. THE FAMILIES THAT WE SERVE, THEY HAVE CARS. OR THEY HAVE ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION. I REALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU NOT ON PUBLIC TRANSIT.T BASED SOLY TO DO SO WOULD JUST REINFORCE STEREOTYPES ABOUT LOW-INCOME FAMILIES AND PERPETUATE POLICIES THAT TYPICALLY ISOLATE LOW-INCOME FAMILIES, MOST OF WHOM ARE RACIAL MINORITIES TO HIGH POVERTY AREAS. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT FOR ALL OF THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN OUTLINED BY THE DEVELOPER. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS EVENING. (APPLAUSE). >> MAYOR MUNS: THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS LATRICIA WOODS. GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF PLANO. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE. I AM A REPSENTATIVE FOR INCLUSIVE COMMUNITIES PROJECT OUT OF 3301 ELM STREET IN DALLAS TEXAS. I AM A FORMER RESIDENT OF PLANO FOR THE LAST 17 YEARS. THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE I WAS A RESIDENT THAT LIVED IN AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT, SO THIS SPEAKS VERY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, AND ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS IS A QUOTE BY WILLIAM BALDWIN. "A STRONG ECONOMY CAUSES AN INCREASE IN DEMAND FOR HOUSING. THE INCREASED DEMAND FOR HOUSING DRIVES REAL ESTATE PRICES AND RENTALS THROUGH THE ROOF IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECOMES COMPLETELY INACCESSIBLE." I KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO LIVE IN AN AREA THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO BE IN BECAUSE YOU WANTETTE FOR YOUR CHILDREN. THOSE WHO WANT BETTER, TEND TO DO BETTER. MY WISH IS TO REALLY APPEAL TO YOUR HUMANITY AND TO REMIND YOU OF A CORE BELIEF YOU'RE IN A POSITION OF POWER TO MAKE CHANGE. IT'S TO BRING CHANGE TO PEOPLE'S LIVES. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS YOU CAN DO IN A PERSON'S LIFE IS TO ALLOW THEM THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. I MOVED TO PLANO. I WAS A YOUNG MOTHER OFWO CHILDREN. WHEN I CAME HERE, IT WAS LIKE A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD TO ME, BUT BEING HERE I SAW THE OPPORTUNITY. WHAT YOU GUYS DID IS WELCOMED ME INTO YOUR COMMUNITY, ME AND MY SON. I WAS ABLE TO GET A GED. I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND COLLIN COLLEGE. I WAS ABLE TO GET AN ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE IN THE FIELD OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE. I WAS ABLE TO MOVE TO UNC'S OR TO MOVE FORWARD IN MY EDUCATION. >> 30 SECONDS. >> GRADUATED WITH A MASTER'S IN SOCIAL WORK. YOU GUYS SHOWED ME A WAY OUT THAT I NEVER SAW. YOU, THE CITY OF PLANO, ALLOWED ME TO BREAK FOUR GENERATIONS OF WOMEN WHO NEVER WALKED THE COLLEGE STAGE. THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO TAKE THIS EXTREMELY SERIOUS, AND WE JUST WANT THE ABILITY TO COME OUT HERE, LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE OUR SUCCESS. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR MUNS: THANK YOU. (APPLAUSE). >> MAYOR MUNS: I WANTED TO TELL THOSE THAT ARE HERE FOR THE BOARD AND COMMISSION APPOINTMENTS, WE'RE GOING TO PUSH THAT TO THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER. WE HAVE JUST HAD SUCH A LONG AGENDA THAT WE'VE SUSPENDED THAT UNTIL OCTOBER. I APOLOGIZE IF YOU ARE HERE FOR THAT, BUT THE NIGHT IS YOUNG. WE COULD ALWAYS PUT IT AT THE VERY END, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT. GO AHEAD. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS RUTH PL PLATT. >> MY NAME IS RUTH PLATT, AND I LIVE IN A HOME RIGHT BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU THAT I'M OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT FOR MANY REASONS. JUSTIND OF WANT TO GO OVER IT, AND I ALSO WANT TO VOICE THE CONCERN THAT ALL THE PEOPLE IN PLANO THAT LIVE AROUND THAT AREA ARE OPPOSED TO IT. ALL THE SPEAKERS THAT YOU HEAR THAT ARE OPPOSED TO IT, ARE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY LIVE IN THAT AREA, AND I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY. ONE OF THE REASONS IS WE ALREADY HAVE TOO MANY APARTMENTS IN THAT AREA ALREADY. MOST OF YOU GUYS HERE ON THE BOARD VOTED FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WAS JUST PASSED IN THE LAST YEAR. IT LIMITS HOUSING, MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING TO 20% OF THE AREA'S HOUSING UNITS. ALREADY IN THAT UNIT WE HAVE 24.67 ACCORDING TO THAT POWERPOINT THAT THEY PRESENTED EARLIER MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS I N'T KNOW IF THIS EVEN INCLUDES A REVITALATION OF THE ANTIQUE MALL, WHICH IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, AND THAT'S GOING TO ADD ANOTHER COUPLE OF HUNDRED AS WELL TO THAT AREA. WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT AREA IS NOT BUILT FOR AN APARTMENT. IT IS ON THE CORNER OF LOS RIOS AND JUPITER, BUT IS NOT A MAJOR INTERSECTION. LOS RIOS IS ONLY ONE STREET IN THAT DIRECTION. IT DEADENDED INTO JUNE TER. JUPITER IS ONLY TWO LANES ON THE EAST SIDE GOING NORTH IN THAT DIRECTION. THERE IS NOTNTSECTION THERE FOR AN APARTMENT. ACCORDING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT YOU GUYS ALL PASSED AGAIN, MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOMENTS FUNCTION AS TRANSITIONS FOR MODERATE AND HIGH INTENSITY COMMERCIAL AREAS TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THIS IS NOT -- THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL AREAS ON THAT CORNER. ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOME NEXT DOOR, YOU ACTUALLY DRIVE OVER THERE, THERE IS A NEW HOME GOING UP NEXT DOOR, A LARGE HOME ON A LARGE ACRE LOT. IT IS ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY 7, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOMES ALONG LOS RIOS AND ALONG JUPITER, THEY PROBABLY MORE KWAUL FOI FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY LARGER HOMES ON LARGER LOTS.VEN I WOULD ASK THAT EACH OF YOU THINK OF THE LARGEST HOMING IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE LARGEST LOT, THE NICEST ONE I CAN THINK OF, AND THINK ABOUT PUTTING AN APARTMENT NEXT TO IT. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. THIS IS NOT A LOCATION WHERE YOU ARE TRANSITION TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA. THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL HOME AREA. THEY TALK ABOUT 35% OF RESIDENTS WOULD ACTUALLY QUALIFY TO LIVE HERE. WELL, THEY WOULD BECAUSE WE HAVE PLENTY OF APARTMENTS ALREADY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. JUST DOWN THE STREET THERE'S A 300 UNIT SHARED AND PARK APARTMENT THAT'S RIGHT THERE. JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM THAT IS A GEOAPARTMENT THAT HOUSES OVER 700 UNITS OF APARTMENTS. WE HAVE LOW INCOME RIGHT THERE AT 75 AND -- IT'S NOT REALLY APARTMENTS, BUT IT'S THE TRAILER I THINK HAS 700-PLUS APARTMENTS THERE TOO, WHICH IS JUST A MILE OR TWO AWAY. THERE IS ALREADY PLENTY OF MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENTS AND PLACES FOR THEM TO LIVE IN THAT AREA. 20 SECONDS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS IS ALREADY UNANIMOUSLY VOTED AGAINST. ALL MEMBERS VOTED AGAINST THIS PLAN. THEY SAID 551 MEMBERS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD VOTED AGAINST THIS AS WELL. WE'RE OPPOSED TO IT. I KNOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TALK AND TUG AT YOUR HEART STRINGS AND SAY THIS IS NEEDED. THEY DON'T LIVE THERE, AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE WAY THAT IT IS BUILT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MAYOR MUNS: THANK YOU. (APPLAUSE) >> THE LAST SPEAKER IS RANDY CUN CUNKLE. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND CITY STAFF. THAT WAS A VERY NICE PRESENTATION. I'LL TRY NOT TO MAKE THE NIGHT GO ANY LONGER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID. I WOULD LIKE -- YOU KNOW THE PLANNING AND ZONING HAS REJECTED THE REQUEST BY A VOTE OF 8-0. YOU'VE HEARD THAT SEVERAL TIMES. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO OVERRULE THE P & Z POSITION, YOU MUST FIND THAT THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAY BENEFICIAL TO THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND GENERAL PUBLIC. I THINK YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT BE IN LINE WITH THOSE GUIDELINES. I HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS TO SAY, BUT OTHER THAN ADDING THAT IT WOULD EXACERBATE THE ALREADY TERRIBLE TRAFFIC CONDITION THERE TO PUT THOSE APARTMENTS THERE, AND THERE IS NOT, AS WE HEARD, NO TRANSIT THERE. THEY SAID THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS. ALL I WILL SAY IS PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR THIS OVERRULING OF WHAT P & Z HAS DECIDED INOT A GOOD DECISION, AND THANK YOU FOR SERVING OUR COMMUNITY. >> MAYOR MUNS: THANK YOU. (APP (APPLAUSE). (OFF MICROPHONE). >> MAYOR MUNS: I'M SORRY. WE HAVE A CUT-OFF PERIOD BEFORE THE MEETING STARTS, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT. THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. I WANTED TO BRING CHRISTINA BACK UP IN REGARDS TO THE POSSIBILITY OF -- THE POSSIBILITY OF STIPULATIONS REGARDING THIS ZONING. >> IF PLANO TELEVISION COULD MAYBE LET US USE THE ERHEAD CA CAMERA. I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT -- >> MAYOR MUNS: DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE A COPY OF THIS? >> I WOULD ABSOLUTELY GIVE THEM A COPY OF THIS. >> MAYOR MUNS: JUST SO THEY CAN READ IT. >> >> SHE'S ARE SOME STIPULATIONS WE DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT IN A MEETING ON THURSDAY BASED ON DISCUSSION WITH -- THAT HAPPENED AT P & Z ON THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED ZONING DISTRICT, SO BASED ON WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO MAKE THIS SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, I THINK BASED ON FURTHER INFORMATION AT THIS HEARING WE WOULD NEED TO INCLUDE STAFF UNITS. I'LL ADD THAT HERE. BUT, ADDING THESE -- THESE ARE THE TWO EXISTING STIPULATIONS THAT ARE PART OF THE P.D. AS PROPOSED, AND THEN BY ADDING THESE FOUR STIPULATIONS THAT IS WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DEVELOP UNDER THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED ZONING DISTRICT. I COULD READ THAT INTO THE RECORD OR WE CAN JUST LET IT BE ON THE SCREEN IF YOU PREFER. >> MAYOR MUNS: JUST LEAVE IT ON THE SCREEN FOR NOW. I WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT -- I WANT TO GIVE YOU PLENTY OF TIME, BUT WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE TO THIS? IF YOU NEED -- IF YOU NEED SOME TIME WE CAN TAKE A BREAK. I DIDN'T HEAR THAT. >> I'M SORRY. ASKING IF WE WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO THESE CONDITIONS AND WOULD WE HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN, OR IT WOULD BE AS OF -- >> MAYOR MUNS: WE'RE GOING TO TAKE FIVE MINUTES. YOU GUYS TALK IT OVER, AND WE'LL COME BACK IN FIVE MINUTES. THANKS. (BR (BREAK). >> MAYOR MUNS: THANK YOU, YS, FOR GIVING US A FEW MINUTES. I WANTED TO ALSO LET COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS MAKE A REQUEST. >> WILLIAMS: THANK YOU, MAYOR. LIKE MANY OF THE FOLKS HERE TONIGHT, I USED TO LIVE JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY. I HAVE DRIVEN PAST THIS HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF TIMES. WHAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID ABOUT TRAFFIC BACKING UP ON LOS RIOS IS 100% CORRECT. IT'S ONLY TWICE A DAY, BUT THOSE ARE HORRIBLE TIMES OF DAY. IT'S A MESS, AND T ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC AT THIS AREA WOULD ONLY EXACERBATE A BAD SITUATION. I WATCHED THE P & Z MEETING. I READ ALL THE MATERIALS. I ALSO WATCHED THE MEETING FROM WHEN THIS WAS APPROVED SINGLE-FAMILY BACK IN 2016. I EVEN HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT WAS BACK IN 2016. OF ALL THE CONCERNS I HAVE ABOUT THIS AREA, THE BIGGEST IS TRAFFIC. IN THE P & Z MEETING THE QUESTION WAS RAISED WHETHER THE DEVELOPER WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO SIGNALIZATION OR LANE WIDENING, AND THERE WAS -- I THINK IT WAS AN AFFIRMATIVE STATEMENT, BUT THERE WAS NO DEGREE DISCUSSED. IF THESE STIPULATIONS ARE BEING PROPOSED NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THEM TO PLACE THE FUNDS IN AN ESCROW ACCOUNT. I KNOW YOU CAN'T DO THE ACTUAL BUILDING OF THE SIGNAL OR THE LANE WIDENING, BUT TO PLACE FUNDS IN AN ESCROW ACCOUNT SUFFICIENT TO PUT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT THAT INTERSECTION AND WIDEN LOS RIOS SUFFICIENTLY ALL THEAY T THE EASTERN MOST EDGE OF THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR LEFT AND RIGHT TURN LANES AS YOU ARE HEADING WEST ON LOS RIOS. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT WOULD COST, BUT -- >> UNDERSTOOD. I DID MAKE THOSE COMMENTS AT THE . I UNDERSTAND THERE IS ALREADY A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THAT INTERSECTION AND THAT ROAD. I WOULD BE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT COST, WHETHER IT BE FOR THE TRAFFIC LIGHT OR THE INTERSECTION OR THE WIDENING. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE, BUT WE WOULD PARTICIPATE AT SOME LEVEL. WEUST NEED TO UERSTD WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE, BUT WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY PARTICIPATE. THAT'S WHAT WE SAID LAST TIME, AND WE WOULD STAND BY THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S -- >> MAYOR MUNS: TELL ME YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS DOCUMENT RIGHT HERE. >> YES. I THINK THE DOCUMENT LOOKS ACCEPTABLE. ON ITEM 6 IT DOES SAY BUILDING DESIGN, THE RENDERING AS WAS BROUGHT UP TODAY. THESE WOULD BE TWO-STORY BUILDINGS, SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY -- I KNOW WE WERE ADDING THE WORD STACK TO BUILDING FIVE. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE CROSSED OUT OR IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STACKED UNITS. OTHERWISE, THE REST OF THE STIPULATIONS MAKE SENSE.p>> MAY. APPRECIATE IT. Y'ALL CAN HAVE A SEAT. >> YES, ACTUALLY. >> MAYOR MUNS: I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. >> THIS IS A NATURE-FOCUSED AREA, AND IT'S WONDERFULOW GREEN THIS IS. I WAS WONDERING IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT COULD BE DONE TO MINIMIZE THE PARKING FOOTPRINT AND THE AMOUNT OF CONCRETE THERE AND MAKE THE OVERALL VISUAL APPEARANCE A LITTLE GREENER. >> YEAH, THE PARKING THAT'S DEPICTED ON THE SITE PLAN AS IT STATES TODAY IS BASED ON PLANO PARKING ORDINANCE. WE IN NO WAY SEEK TO INTRODUCE MORE PARKING THAN IS NECESSARY. A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS AND A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS YOU'LL SEE 1.5 SPACES MEAPER UNIT. IN PLANO IT IS TWO. THAT'S A CITY REQUIREMENT. BASED ON THE UNITS THAT WE HAVE, AGAIN, WE DO VIEW PARKING AS AN AMENITY TO A CERTAIN EXTENT BASED ON THE STATEMENT PROXIMITY TO YOUR UNIT. YOU DON'T WANT TO PARK ON THE BACK 40, SO TO SPEAK, BUT CERTAINLY WE WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT. THE SITE PLAN DOES ABIDE BY LANDSCAPE UPPERS AND SETBACKS, AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK WITH THE CITY ARBORIST, ET CETERA, ABOUT BEATIFICATION ALONG THE STREET, ET CETERA. A VTAGE OF THE PREVIOUS PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED DID DISCUSS A 6-FOOT MASONRY WALL. WE DID INITIALLY KEEP THAT. IT WAS REQUESTED THAT WE REMOVE THAT JUST BASED ON IT'S NOT UP TO CURRENT CITY STANDARD, SO WE CERTAINLY WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THOSE ITEMS. IN TERMS OF IMPERVIOUS COVER, IF THERE ARE WAYS WE CAN INTRODUCE LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT AND PUT OTHERS AT EASE WHEN IT COMES TO THE FLOOD PLAIN THERE, IT IS IN DISCHARGE AFFECTED. THE REPORT IS PRETTY DENSE, TO SAY THE LEAST, AND WHAT IT PROVES OUT IS THAT IT DOES NOT INCREASE THE VELOCITY OF THE STREAM SUCH THAT IT'S EROSIVE. LONG STORY SHORT. WE ARE SENSITIVE TO THAT, AND CERTAINLY IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO KEEP IT AS BEAUTIFUL AN ADDITION TO THE OPEN SPACE THAT WE HAVE, WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO IT THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. I APPRECIATE THAT. >> MAYOR MUNS: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER SMITH? >> SMITH: THANKS FOR COMING TO US TONIGHT AND BEING OPEN AND PRESENTING EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE TO US. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE HERE, PROBABLY ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE HAVE, IS IT SETS A GOOD STANDARD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND OUR CITIZENS BECAUSE WE ARE VERY DIVERSE, VERY GROWING, VERY WELCOMING COMMUNITY, BUT IT'S NOT TOTALLY RIGID, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE FINDINGS SECTION IN THERE. THAT DOES ALLOW THINGS LIKE TONIGHT WHERE IF THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT CHANGE, YOU'VE BEEN VERY AGREEABLE, TO GIVE COUNCIL THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME CHANGES. I DO APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. WE'LL DELIBERATE AND SEE WHERE IT GOES FROM THERE. >> MAYOR MUNS: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES QUESTION? ADDING A STIPULATION FOR T - PROVIDING FUNDS FOR THE SIGNALIZATION OF THAT INTERSECTION AND LANE WIDENING, I THINK WE SHOULD GET SOME AT LEAST MAXIMUM LEVEL OF COMMITMENT INSTEAD OF JUST WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE. EVEN IF THAT TAKES A LITTLE MORE DELIBERATION, I'M FINE WITH THAT. IT WAS LEFT AS NEBULOUSLY IN THE P & Z MEETING. >> MAYOR MUNS: GO AHEAD. CHRISTINA. >> I HAVE SOME LANGUAGEHAT FINANCIAL PARTICIPATION REGARDING SIGNALIZATION AND EXPANSION OF LOS RIOS WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE CONCURRENT WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY. I'M SORRY. FINANCIAL PARTICIPATION REGARDING THE SIGNALIZATION AND EXPANSION OF LOS RIOS BOULEVARD WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE CONCURRENT WITH ANY p BECAUSE THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE DOES HAVE DEVELOPER PARTICIPATION REQUIREMENTS FOR >>OKAY.CONSUCTI. CAN WE ADD THAT, PLEASE? >> IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? >> I THINK SO. DO YOU HAVE AN ENGLISH TRANSLATION? >> WE RAN IT BY CALEB THORNHILL DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING. I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU TOTALLY ON THE SPOT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO -- >> I'VE GOT NO MORE TO ADD. >> NO MORE TO ADD, OKAY. I KNOW THAT THERE IS PARTIAL -- IT'S BEYOND -- IT'S A CERIN PRCENTAGE. THE CITY BUILDS A PORTION OF THE STREET, AND THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL PERCENTAGE THAT THE DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTES, SO IT WOULD BE A PERCENTAGE BASED ON THE STANDARD, BUT IT IS AN EXISTING STANDARD THAT I THINK IS DEFENSIBLE BECAUSE IT'S ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE. >> ONE MORE QUESTION FOR CHRISTINA. SO THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WAS JUST ON THE SCREEN REGARDING BUILDING DESIGN, BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE RENDERINGS, THAT'S GOING TO BE ENFORCEABLE THAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE THIS RENDERING THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW? >> I THINK WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR IS A SIMILAR PATTERN OF INDIVIDUAL UNITS ESSENTIALLY. SO THERE ARE TWO-STORY UNITS. THEY'RE A KIND OF SIMILAR DESIGN. CLEARLY, THEY'RE NOT PLANNING FOR A SINGLE STORY UNIT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. >> THE REASON I ASK YOU IS,OU KNOW, I DON'T HEAR ANY OPPOSITION TO THIS BEING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND I THINK EVERYONE AGREES THAT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY IS A GOOD GOAL. THIS IS A VERY NATURE-FOCUSED AREA RIGHT NEXT TO OAK POINT NATURE PRESERVE, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER GETS BUILT CONTRIBUTES TO AND DOES NOT DETRACT FROM THE GREEN NATURAL FEELING OF THE AREA. >> RIGHT. THERE ARE INDIVIDUAL ENTRANCES AS WELL TO EACH UNIT THAT ACCESSED BY A SIDEWALK, SO I THINK IT'S THAT KIND OF PATTERN THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE REPEATED. WE WORKED THROUGH THAT IN THE DESIGN PROCESS. >> OKAY. >> CHRISTINA, I WAS JUST WONDERING TO COUNCIL MEMBER TRYING TO BLEND IN WITH THE AREA AND THE NATURE. IS THERE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL YOU SEE THAT COULD BE DONE ALONG LOS RIOS AND JUPITER TO HELP WITH THE GREEN ASPECT THAT ISN'T ALREADY BEING DONE? I SEE THAT IT'S A 6-FOOT METAL FENCE WITH THE MASONRY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ADDITIONAL THAT COULD BE DONE. ESPECIALLY ALONG THOSE TWO ROADS THAT WOULD HELP IT FIT IN MORE WITH THE AREA AND ADD MORE GREE GREENERY? >> IF WE CAN ADD, WE ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO THE ENVIRONMENT AROUND US. THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO US, AND IT WOULD EVEN BE WILLING TO ADD A LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG LOS RIOS WHERE WE HAD TREES, 25 FEET ON CENTER. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT SIZE OF THOSE TREES ARE, BUT AT LEAST IT SHOULD BE TREE-LINED ALONG LOS RIOS TO HELP THE PROPERTY BLEND INTO THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT'S THE IDEA. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL LOOKING FOR. >> RICCIARDELLI: I WOULD ASK THAT BE ADDED IN AS A SEVENTH STIPULATION. I THINK REALLY GIVEN THE NATURE FOCUS OF THIS AREA RIGHT NEXT TO OAK POINT NATURE PRESERVE THAT THAT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT THING. YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE SURE THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREEN DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR MUNS: OKAY. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, DO YOU HAVE ONE MORE THING BEFORE -- >> WILLIAMS: I MEANT TO ASK THIS EARLIER. IT SLIPPED MY MIND. ONE OF THE SPEESHGZ MENTIONED ROAD CLOSURES DURING EVENTS, WHICH IS VERY REAL. I HAVE LIVED THROUGH MANY OF THEM. MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT OR STAFF, BUT HOW DO YOU PROPOSE RESIDENTS GET IN AND OUT OF THIS PROPERTY DURING SUCH CLOSURES? HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED AT AL >> I GUESS WHAT COMES TO MIND WOULD BE THE -- NOT ONLY THE ALREADY PLANNED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THERE TO EXPAND IT, AND TO WHATEVER EXTEND WE COULD GO EVEN FURTHER AND WORKING WITH THE CITY AND PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT TO COME UP WITH A MUTUALLY AGREEABLE SOLUTION SUCH THAT WHILE IN THE P & Z MEETING THERE WERE RESIDENTS TO THE NORTH THAT ALSO HAD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT THOSE CLOSURES WHILE INFREQUENT WERE CERTAINLY INCONVENIENT SUCH THAT IF YOU HAVE THREE AND/OR FOUR LANES TO DEAL WITH IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, THEN MAYBE THERE IS -- OF COURSE, THERE WOULD BE A POLICE OFFICER WORKING TRAFFIC SUCH THAT YOU COULD MANAGE SOME SORT OF A CUE OR MAKE IT MANAGEABLE FOR THE RESIDENTS. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT AND THEIR CURRENT ACTIVITIES PLANNED, BUT -- >> WILLIAMS: I'M NOT SO MUCH CONCERNED -- WITH THIS QUESTION, I'M NOT SO MUCH CONCERNED WITH THE LANE WIDTH OR THE TRAFFIC. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE ROAD BEING CLOSED. >> I THINK WE CAN COMMIT TO ENGAGING WITH THE TRAFFIC OFFICER ON THOSE DAYS. WOULD OBVIOUSLY A KNO ABOUT IT AT THAT TIME AHEAD OF TIME SO WE CAN PLAN ACCORDINGLY WITH MANAGEMENT, WITH THE RESIDENTS, HAVE A TRAFFIC OFFICER ON SITE TO HELP MANAGE THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY AHEAD OF TIME. JUST LIKE YOU DO AT SCHOOL CROSSINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. >> >> PRINCE: I WOULD OFFER THAT THERE'S A TEAM -- WE ARE NOT GOING TO PERMANENTLY FOR ANY EXTENDED LENGTH OF TIME BLOCK ACCESS TO AN ENTIRE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION. WE MAKE ACCOMMOTION WHEN THERE IS A SPECIAL EVENT TO INSURE THAT RESIDENTS HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR RESIDENTIAL UNITS, SO IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO ANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE SPECIAL ABBING SESSION. >> MAYOR MUNS: ON THE SITE PLAN THERE'S AN EXIT ON TO JUPITER IN ADDITION TO THE LOS RIOS EXIT. THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL EXIT. THANK YOU, GUYS. DO I HAVE A MOTION? >> HE MENTIONED ADDING A -- DID YOU WRITE SOMETHING IN ABOUT THAT THAT WE CAN SEE? >> I DO HAVE ADDITIONAL STANDARDS HERE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER ON THE FINANCIAL PARTICIPATION AND NOT QUITE, YES, AS ELEGANT. >> MAYOR MUNS: THE WHOLE THING? >> YES, THERE YOU GO. >> MAYOR MUNS: JUST READ SEVEN AND EIGHT. >> I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PICK IT UP. NUMBER SEVEN IS FINANCIAL PARTICIPATION REGARDING THE SIGNALIZATION AND EXPANSION OF LOS RIOS BOULEVARD WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE CONCURRENT WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY , AD EIGHT IS -- I PROBABLY NEED TO EDIT THIS, BUT TREES -- PROBABLY SOMETHING LIKE -- I DON'T KNOW WHATHE SPACING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THAT. TREES SOMETHING LIKE 40 FOOT ON CENTER OR TREES REGULARLY SPACED TREES WILL BE PLANTED IN THE LANDSCAPE EDGE ALONG LOS RIOS. >> IF I MIGHT INTERJECT, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT SAID 25 FEET ON CENTER, SO I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT IF WE COULD. >> CERTAINLY. MAYBE -- >> THANK YOU. SORRY FOR THE TROUBLE. >> MAYBE ALTERNATING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE TREE HEALTH IS ADEQUATE HERE. >> MAYOR MUNS: DON'T KILL THE TREE. >> RIGHT. YES. >> MAYOR MUNS: I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE WE'RE AT. THERE WE GO. MAKE A MOTION AND STIPULATE. >> MOTION TO REVERSE THE APPEAL WITH THE STIPULATION. IS THAT THE WAY -- MOTION TO OVERTURN THE P & Z DECISION AND TO APPROVE THE PLAN WITH THE STIPULATIONS SET FORTH BY OUR ST STAFF. >> SECOND. >> MAYOR MUNS: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. GO AHEAD, CHRISTINA. >> DOES THAT INCLUDE CITY COUNCIL ALLOWING THE ORDER NANTZ TO BE SIGNED GRANTING THE APPEAL WITHOUT FURTHER CONSIDERATION BY COUNCIL? >> YES, I BELIEVE ALL THE STIPULATIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED. >> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR MUNS: YOU OKAY WITH THAT RICK? >> YES, SIR. >> RICCIARDELLI: WE DON'T HAVE TO READ ALL EIGHT OF THE STIPULATIONS. ALL EIGHT ARE WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON? >> MAYOR MUNS: CORRECT. >> SHELBY: THANK YOU, MAYOR. BEFORE WE TAKE THIS VOTE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO FRAME HOW THIS HAS COME ABOUT. HAVING LIVED HERE MYSELF, WE WERE TOLD EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION THAT REALLY THE HOUSING AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS THE PROBLEM. THERE ARE IMNUMERABLE PROBLEMS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLAN AND LET ALONE THE HOUSING MIX. EVERYBODY WHO CAME TO SPEAK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALL OF THE OPPOSITION THAT WAS CLUSTERED IMMEDIATELY AROUND THIS PROPERTY, THEY ALL KNOW IT BECAUSE THEY LIVE THERE AS WELL. THEY UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT A GREAT PLACE FOR SUCH A PROJECT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING, LOW-INCOME, OR ANYTHING OF THE LIKE. IN FACT, WITH A LOT OF THE LANGUAGE WE HEARD REGARDING THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR LOW INCOME INDIVIDUALS, EVERYBODY IN THE CITY WANTS GREATER OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR PEOPLE. QUITE FRANKLY, I'M OFFENDED AT THE SUPPOSITION THAT WE DON'T WANT LOW INCOME PEOPLE HERE, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE PROJECT SELECTION, THE WAY IT WAS FRAMED, THE WAY IT'S BEEN POSITIONED IS POSITIONING THE CITY FOR A PROTRACTED LEGAL BATTLE, AND WE'RE CALLED ON COUNCIL TO DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. SO, PERSONALLY I'M FACED WITH A DECISION BETWEEN MAKING A DECISION ON A ZONING REQUEST CHSHGS I KNOW IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, AND AVOIDING A LEGAL BATTLE WHICH MAY CONSEQUENTLY TURN OVER OUR ZONING DECISIONS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AS HAS HAPPENED IN CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY WHERE THIS HAS COME ABOUT. I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW HOW I'M GOING TO VOTE UNTIL WE HAVE THE VOTE. THAT'S HOW CONFLICTED I AM. HOWEVER IT COMES DOWN, IT'S GOT TO BE WITH THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. WE WORKED VERY HARD. THIS COUNCIL HAS. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW COMMITTEE AND ALL OF OUR CITIZENS TO MOVE PAST YEARS OF DIVISION AND RANKER, AND WE HAVE STARTED TO MAKE GREAT PROGRESS SO, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A ZONING CASE WITH SUCH OVERWHELMING OPPOSITION BY PEOPLE SO CLOSE TO IT, AND IF THIS PASSES, I DON'T WANT THE MESSAGE TO GO OUT THAT THIS COUNCIL DOESN'T CARE. THIS COUNCIL DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE INPUT OF ITS CITIZENS. THIS COUNCIL DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE INPUT AND THE CONSEQUENCES TO THE COMMUNITY. I WANT IT TO BE KNOWN THAT IF THIS PASSES, WE ARE TRYING TO DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST LONG-TERM FOR OUR CITY SO THAT OUR ZONING DECISIONS REMAIN OUR O OWN. >> RICCIARDELLI: I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS MAKES GREAT POINTS. THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE CITIZEN FEEDBACK, ESPECIALLY ABOUT PRESERVING THE GREEN, NATURAL CHARACTER OF AN AREA, ESPECIALLY ABOUT TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC SIGNALS BACKING UP IS IMPORTANT FEEDBACK. THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE. THAT'S MY MIVATG GOVERNING PHILOSOPHY. I BELIEVE THAT RESIDENT FEEDBACK ON ISSUES LIKE THAT MATTERS, AND IT CAN ONLY MATTER IF THOSE ZONING DECISIONS REMAIN HERE IN PLANO TO BE MADE BY THIS CITY COUNCIL AND TO SECOND WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIAMS SAID, YOU JUST HOPE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT AND THE IMPORTANCE OF MAINTAINING LOCAL CONTROL OVER OUR ZONING DECISIONS AND SO THAS A I HAVE TO Y PRIOR TO THE VOTE. >> MAYOR MUNS: SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. PLEASE VOTE. >> MAY I JUST SAY, SHELBY AND ANTHONY, FOR ULTIMATELY SAYING WHAT I THINK WE'RE ALL FEELING. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU, SHELBY AND ANTHONY. >> MAYOR MUNS: JULIE, HOW DO YOU VOTE? >> JULIE: I HAVE TO VOTE YES. MAYOR MUNS: OKAY. SHELBY. MOTION PASSES 8-0. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR MUNS: WE JUST NEED ABOUT TWO MINUTES TO FILL OUT A FINDINGS FORM AS PART OF OUR REQUIREMENTS. SO IF YOU'LL JUST HOLD ON, WE'LL START WITH AGENDA ITEM NUMBER T TWO. >> IS THIS SOMETHING I CAN DO ELECTRONICALLY? >> JULIE, I JUST SENT YOU AN EMAIL. >> THANK YOU. >> LISA, THIS DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE IPAD-FRIENDLY. SA,AN Y HEAR ME? >> YES. >> WHEN WE PRACTICED THIS BEFORE AT COUNCIL, IT WAS LIKE IT TOOK ME TO A WEBSITE, AND NOW IT'S A FORUM, AND I NIT'S NOT LETTING ME FILL IT IN. WHEN WE PRACTICED IT BEFORE, I IT THOUGHT I GOT A LINK. >> THAT FORM IS NOT ACCESSIBLE TO US TODAY, SO WE'RE HAVING TO DO THE PAPER FORMS. WE'RE CALLING ON MARK'S PHONE, AND I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE FORM. I CAN FILL IT IN HERE FOR YOU. >> OH, OKAY. PERFECT. YOU CAN MUTE ON YOUR END. >> LET ME JUST MUTE HERE. >> MAYOR MUNS: LISA, YOU READY? (BR (BREAK). >> MAYOR MUNS: WE ARE BACK IN SESSION. LET'S MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. >> ITEM NUMBER TWO. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2022-003 TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINAE OF CITY, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2015-5-2 AS HERETOFOREAMENDED SO AS TO AMEND AND EXPAND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 129 GENERAL OFFICE ON 63.6 ACRES OF LAND AND REPEAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2011-3-22 IN ITS ENTIRETY, THEREBY RESCINDING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT 609 FOR HELISTOP ON 9.1 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF COIT AND 15th STREET IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, DIRECTING A CHANGE ACCORDINGLY IN T OFFICL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY, PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> ITEM TWO IS ZONING CASE 2022-03. IT IS A REQUEST TO AMEND AND EXPAND PD129 GENERAL OFFICE. THIS SHOWSHE EXTENT OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. YOU CAN SEE THE AREA PROPOSED CURRENTLY INCORPORATES PLAN DEVELOPMENT 137 GENERAL OFFICE AND INCLUDES A VERY LARGE AREA OF THE CITY. AGAIN, THE BLUE OUTLINE INCLUDES THE 200-FOOT NOTICE BOUNDARY AND THE RED, A 500-FOOT NOTICE BOUNDARY. THE YELLOW OUTLINE INCLUDES, AGAIN, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE IT PRIRILY DEVELOPED WITH A HOSPITAL USE AND SURROUNDING RELATED USES SUCH AS MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS, INCLUDING PROPERTY SOUTH OF 15th STREET. A SUMMARY OF THE REQUEST TO CHANGES TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT INCLUDES -- THIS IS JUST SORT OF A HIGHLIGHT BECAUSE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CHANGES -- CHANGING THE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS RELATE TO RESINTIA PROPERTIES. SO THIS IS INCREASING AN EXISTING FOUR-STORY HOSPITAL BUILDING TO ALLOW EIGHT STORIES, AND THEN OTHERWISE RESTRICTING BUILDING HEIGHTS WITHIN A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, AND THAT IS THE CLOSEST TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES TO THE NORTHEAST. SECONDLY, REDUCING SETBACKS FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES SO THE EIGHT-STORY BUILDING SETBACK WOULD BE REDUCED FROM 259 FEET TO 80 FEET, AND THEN CHANGING THE ALLOWANCES FOR HELISTOPS FROM CURRENTLY 300 FEEON THE GROUND TO 80 FEET IF IT'S ELEVATED, THE 300 FOOT GROUND RESTRICTION WOULD REMAIN IN PLACE, MODIFYING SCREENING STANDARDS AND HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS. AGAIN, RELATED TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, AND THEN ALSO, JUST CLEANING UP SOME OF THOSE OLDER STANDARDS THAT ARE NO LONGER REALLY WORKING FOR THE PROPERTY. IT IS A VERY OLD PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT DATING TO THE 1970s. LOOKING AT MODIFYING THOSE TO MAKE THEM WOR FOR THE PROPERTY TODAY. REORGANIZING THE PD INTO THREE SUBAREAS, AND MAINTAINING AND UPDATING THE EXISTING STANDARDS FOR THE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE HOSPITAL CAMPUS. WITH THAT, THIS IS THE PRIMARY FOCUS. THIS IS A VERY LARGE CONCEPT PLAN, SO WE'VE JUST PULLED OUT THE NORTHERN AREA. THIS IS NOT THE MOST DESCRIPTIVE PART OF THE EXHIBIT, BUT THIS IS THE NORTHERN AREA THAT SHOWS THE LOCATION WHERE THE MAJORITY OF CHANGES ARE TAKING PLACE, SO THERE'S BETTER EXHIBITS, BUT THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN, THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED. E WERE ASKED TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ON ZONING HISTORY. FOCUSING ON THE EXPANSION AREA, WHICH IS IN THE RED AREA, IT'S THE PORTION YOU JUST SAW IN THE CONCEPT PLAN. THAT WAS PURCHASED BY THE HOSPITAL IN 1988, THAT PORTION OF THE PROPTY. THE HOSPITAL DATES BACK FURTHER, BUT THAT PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED IN 1988 ACCORDING TO OUR RECORDS. MORE DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST OCCURRED IN 1972 AND 1989. THE CONDOMINIUM AND APARTMENTS, WHICH ARE SHOWN IN ORANGE, DEVELOPED IN 1983. THE PATIO HOMES TO THE NORTH DEVELOPED IN THE 1990s. THE LAST REZONING THAT OCCURRED IN THE RED AREA WAS IN 2018, AND THAT ALLOWED A FOUR-STORY BUILDING TO BE BUILT, AND THAT IS THE BUILDING THAT'S REQUESTED TO BE EXPANDED TODAY. THE PROPERTY ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS DESIGNATED EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS ADJACENT TO OTHER EMPLOYMENT CENTER FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY AS WELL AS NEIGHBORHOODS. WITH REGARD TO CONFORMANCE TO TS THAT CONFORMANCE WITH REGARD TO BUILDING HEIGHTS. THE CATEGORY OF EMPLOYMENT CENTER ALLOWS UP TO 20 STORIES OF OPEN SPACE, PARKING ORIENTATION, AND BLOCK PATTERN ALL MEET THE STANDARDS, BUT WITH DENSITY BEING NOT APPLICABLE AND INTENSITY, IT IS STILL LOWER THAN ANTICIPATED IN THIS CATEGORY. BUT IMPROVING BASED ON THE REQUEST. ADDITIONALLY, IT MEETS ALL THE LTI-MODA ACCESS STANDARDS OF THE PLAN. THE CHALLENGES WITH THE REQUEST REALLY COME WITH REGARD TO LAND USE POLICIES, AND AS IT RELATES TO RESIDENTIAL AJACENCY. THE PLAN USE STATES EXPLICITLY THAT NEW AND REDEVELOPMENT AREAS RESPECT THE VIABILITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS, BUSINESSES, AND INSTITUTIONS. SO, SOME OF THE CHANGES IN SETBACK AND LAND USE CREATE CHALLENGES WITH REGARD TO THIS POLICY. ADDITIONALLY, INSURING THAT RESIDENTIAL AJAYS ENSY STANDARDS PROVIDE APPROPRIATE TRANSITIONS IN BUILDING HEIGHT AND BULK THAT ARE SENSITIVE TO THE PHYSICAL CHARACTER OF ADJOINING NEIGHBORHOODS, ACTION 5 IS A PARTICULAR CHALLENGE FOR THIS REQUEST. HOWEVER, SAYS IT DOES FALL DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH PUBLIC SAFETY POLICY, ACTION 5, WHICH STATES RESPONDING TO AND PREPARING FOR CONTINUED INCREASES IN EMERGENT AND NON-EMERGENT MEDICAL RESPONSES CONSIDERING THE AGING POPULATION, NEW SENIOR FACILITIES, AND IN THE INVOLVING SOBERO ECONOMICS OF THE PLANO COMMUNITY. YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A REAL SPLIT WHEN IT COMES TO THE POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THIS REQUEST. AGAIN, JUST GRAPHICALLY DEPICTED HERE, YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE BOTH PROS AND CONS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT RELATES TO THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. KEY CHANGES, AGAIN, THE ORGANIZATION OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. THE SUBAREAS ARE AS PROPOSED A, B, AND C ARE COLOR-CODED. THEN BUILDING HEIGHT AND SETBACKS, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE SAME GRAPHIC. WE JUST ZOOMED IN ON THE pRIGHT THE YELLOW REPRESENTS THE EXISTING ZONING BOUNDARY, THE GREEN COLOR REPRESENTS THE PROPOSED EIGHT-STORY SETBACK, AND THE KIND OF PURPLE COLOR REPRESENTS THEXISTING SETBACK UNDER SO THE RESIDENTIAL BUFFER AREA THAT'S BEING PROPOSED UNDER THE ZONING, SO AN ATTEMPT TO LIMIT FUTURE BUILDING HEIGHT, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, WHILE THEY WOULD LIKE TO BUILD THE 8 STORY BUILDING, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO LIMIT HEIGHT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL THROUGHOUT THE AREA ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE SEWHERE. SO THEY'VE CREATED A RESIDENTIAL BUFFER THAT IS INDICATED BY THE BLUE DASHED LINE, AND SO THAT IS, THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT LIMITATION ALL ALONG THE REMAINING PROPERTY LINE TO TWO STORIES, AND THAT IS A VOLUNTARY LIMITATION. SO THE EXISTING HELISTOPS ARE SHOWN ON THE LEFT. THERE ARE THREE HELISTOPS TODAY. AND THEY -- I WOULD THEN MOVE AS PROPOSED TO THE TOP OF THE 8 STORY BUILDING, AND THERE WOULD BE A SETBACK OF 80 FEET FOR NETTING AND EQUIPMENT. THE HELIPAD THEMSELVES WOULD BE 98 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. CHANGES REGARDING SCREENING AND LOCK COVERAGE, IN SUB AREA 8, THERE ARE NO PROPOSED CHANGES. SUB AREA B WHICH IS THE PRIMARY HOSPITAL AREA, THERE IS EXISTING GROUND MOUNTED MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SCREENING THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE, UPDATED -- THEIR UPDATES TO THE SCREENING FROM THE RESIDENTIAL BURNING AND WOOD BURN CORNERS SCREENING FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A STANDARD IN THERE THAT SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE SIX FOOT BERMS, TO CREATE THAT STANDARD TODAY, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST, BUT TO ACTUALLU WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE A WHOLE LINE OF VERY MATURE LIVE OAK TREES, SO THAT STANDARD IS UPDATED TO PRESERVE THOSE TREES, IT'S A PRACTICAL UPDATE. THE BERM RETAPING WALL, PHELPSING AND TREE STANDARDS ARE -- HAVE BEEN ADDED TO -- FOR RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, ALSO A MASONRY WALL IS PROPOSED ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING, AS WELL AS A LANDSCAPE EDGE, WITH STAGGERED TREES, SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ENHANCE THE AREA BETWEEN THEIR PROPERTY AND THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH AND EAST. AND THEY ARE ASKING TO INCREASE LOT COVERAGE FROM 30% TO 40% IN ORDER TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. SUB AREA C, AGAIN THE SAME SORT OF UPDATES TO THE WOOD BURN CORNER SCREENING. THE PETITIONER HAS PROVIDED A NUMBER OF STUDI TT HELP DEMONSTRATE THE NEED FOR THIS CHANGE. THOSE ARE LISTED HERE, SITE PLAN, THE NARRATIVE, TIME STUDY, SOLAR STUDY, NOISE ANALYSIS HELIPAD INFORMATION, CHANGES FROM RESIDENT FEEDBACK, AND MASTER PLAN FEEDBACK. THOSE INCLUDE -- WE'VE INCLUDED SOME DETAIL ON SOME OF THOSE KEY ITEMS. THEY TALKED ABOUT TRAVEL TIME, THE DIFFERENTIAL BEING 2 MINUTES AND 29 SECONDS FROM THE PROPOSED TOWER TO FIVE MINUTES AND 12 SECONDS. I'M SURE YOU WILL HEAR IN THEIR TESTIMONY THERE ARE OUTCOMES RELATED TO THE SPEED OF TREATMENT. AND THEN THEY ALSO PROVIDED SHADOW STUDIES THAT SHOW THE IMPACT OF BUILDING, AN 8 STORY BUILDING, SOUTH CAROLINA SEE AT THE TOP, IN FEBRUARY, THE CURRENT SHADOWS THAT ARE CAST ON THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS, VERSUS IF THEY WERE TO -- THE EXPANSION WERE GRANTED, THE ADDITIONAL SHADOWS DURING THE COOLER MONTHS, AND THE LACK OF SOLAR GAIN THAT MIGHT OCCUR ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. THEN THEY ALSO PROVIDED A NOISE ANALYSIS THAT SHOWED A ONE DECIBEL INCREASE AT THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE. ALSO INDICATED A LONGER DURATION OF NOISE FOR EACH, THE HELICOPTER LANDING. THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER ALSO PROVIDED A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF STUDIES INCLUDING A RESPONSE LETTER, ARCHITECTURAL REPORT, HELICOPTER REPORT, AND PRESENTATION, AND AN ACOUSTICAL ANALYSIS. SO THE NUMBER OF RESPONSES THERE WERE SEVEN RESPONSES, AND THIS WAS FAIRLY UNIQUE. WE WANTED TO NOTE THAT THERE WERE A -- THERE WERE RESPONSES FROM 1700 AMELIA COURT, WHICH ARE THE CONDOMINIUMS, WE HAD 34 RESPONSES, BUT BECAUSE NOT ALL UNITS INCLUDED THEIR UNIT NUMBER, WE DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER OF UNDUPLICATED RESPONSES THERE. AND WE ALSO DID NOT RECEIVE A RESPONSE -- FORMAL RESPONSE FROM THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, WHICH WOULD THEN COUNT ASHE -- WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY CREDIT THEM, COUNT AS A FORMAL RESPONSE FOR THE SUPER MAJORITY MAPPING, SO THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T -- THEY DON'T SHOW UP ON THIS MAP. WE DID ALSO RECEIVE 67 TOTAL RESPONSES FROM INDIVIDUALS LIVING AT 1600 AMELIA COURT WHICH ARE THE APARTMENTS. WE ALSO RECEIVED A RESPONSE FROM THAT OWNER, WHICH IS WHY THAT IS SHOWN IN RED ON THIS MAP, AS WELL AS HOMEOWNERS AT THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC. SO THAT IS WHAT THOSE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE SHOWN AS THE 7 RESPONSES THAT REACH THE 10.4%. MOVING TO THE NEXT SLIDE, CITYWIDE, WE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 1 97 UNDUPLICATED RESPONSES, 49 IN SUPPORT, FIVE NEUTRAL AND 143 IN OPPOSITION. FIVE WERE OUTSIDE, FIVE UNIQUE RESPONSES WERE OUTSIDE THE CITY OF PLANO, AND ONE DID NOT HAVE AN ADDRESS. SO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF 8-0 FOR THIS REQUEST, AND BE GLAD TO ANSWER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A >> Mayor Muns: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I WANTED TO SAY THE MAYOR PRO TEM HAS RECUSED HERSELF FROM THIS ITEM, SO I'LL ASK >> I'M HONORED TBE THE CEO AT MEDICAL CITY PLANO LOPT THAT HAS RICHLY SERVED THE COMMUNITY FOR 47 YEARS AT THIS POINT. I'LL INTRODUCE THE SPEAKERS ON THE NEXT SLIDE, I WANT TO AT LEAST SHARE WITH YOU THAT THERE REALLY WERE TWO GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WENT INTO THE PLANS THAT COME UP AND WE PRESENT TO YOU TODAY. NUMBER ONE IS THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY. AS PLANO CONTINUES TO GROW, WE ARE, AS A HOSPITAL, JUST PHYSICALLY OUT OF SPACE STATION. RIGHT NOW AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, WE HAVE 27 PATIENTS WAITING IN OUR EMERGENCY ROOM, LET ME DEFINE TO YOU THE TWOORTALS OF ENTRY INTO ANY HOSPITAL. NUMBER ONE, THERE'S A DIRECT ADMIT PROCESS IF YOU COME IN FOR OUTPATIENT ELECTIVE SURGERY, ET CETERA. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, COME INTO THE HOSPITALS THROUGH THE EMERGENCY ROOM, IF WE DON'T HAVE SPACE INSIDE OF THE HOSPITAL IN ORDER TO GET YOU OUT OF THE EMERGENCY ROOM, THE NEXT CARE VENUE, YOU HAVE TO WAIT IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM UNTIL THERE'S A BED THAT FREES UP, CONSEQUENTLY, THE AMBULANCES THAT COME, HAVE TO SIT ON THE WALL AND HOLD PEOE IN E AMBULANCE. I THINK THE SECOND GUIDING PRINCIPLE IS HOW WE'VE ORGANIZED THE PLAN, INCREASED TIME DIRECTLY CORRELATES TO MORTALITY AND MORBIDITY IN OUR PATIENT, THE CLOSER THAT WE CAN GET YOU TO THE NEXT VENUE, PARTICULARLY WITH BURN AND TRAUMA PATIENTS, THE QUICKER WE GET YOU I DON'T THE EMERGENCY ROOM, THE QUICKER WE GET YOU A BED, THE BETTER THE LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU HAVE OUOME, TT CARE ELEMENT AS WELL. OBVIOUSLY WITH COVID, DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS PUTTED STRESS ON THE HOSPITAL CITY. CHRISTINA MATHIS WILL PRESENT, OUR CHIEF OPERATING OFFICE, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE CHIEF OF OUR MEDICAL STAFF, AND HE'S ALSO A CRITICAL CARE PHYSICIAN AND ALSO THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF ONE OF THE HELICOPTER COMPANIES HERE AS WELL, BUT WE'RE OBVIOUSLY HONORED TO BE HERE REPRESENTING OUR GREATER THAN 2700 EMPLOYEES, OUR 1500 POSITIONS AND OUR BOARD AS WELL, WE STARTED IN 1975, 47 YEARS OLD IN THE COMMUNITY OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GROWN WITH THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. FIRST HOSPITAL IN PLANO, WITH THAT, WITH RESPECT, IN 1975, THE POPULATION WAS 35,000, THAT HAS GROWN TO A POPULATION OF 285,000 IN 2021. COMMIS RATE GROWTH HAS BEEN RIGHT AT 100,000, ALMOST AT 1.1 MILLION AS WELL. MEET THATEMAND AS WELL, RIGHT NOW WE'RE HONORED TO BE THE ONLY LEVEL ONE TRAUMA CENTER IN PLANO AND IN COLLIN COUNTY. LEVEL ONE TRAUMA IS DEFINED AS A HOSPITAL THAT HAS A CAPABILITY AND CAPACITY TO TAKE CARE OF ANY PATIENT INDEPENDENT OF WHAT THE AILMENT. PENETRATING ACCIDENT OR NONACCIDENT, THINK CAR WRECK, THINK CHEERLEADER WHO WAS AT PRACTICE AND ULTIMATELY HAD AN ADVERSE EVENT. THINK THE GAS EXPLOSIONS THAT HAPPENED OVER THE LAST YEAR OR TWO, ALL OF THAT COMES TO MEDICAL CENTER PLANO, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE ONLY HOSPITAL IN COLLIN COUNTY AND IN PLANO WITH THE LEVEL ONE DESIGNATION. SO ANY BURN PATIENT THAT HAS A -- IS IMPACTED BY A BURN WITH ACCIDENTAL OR INTENTIONAL ARE TREATED AT MEDICAL CITY PLANO RIGHT HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE A COMPREHENSIVE STROKE CENTER. CANCER HOSPITAL. WHEN YOU THINK OF THE HOLISTIC AND TOTALITY OF WHAT IS TREATED IN OUR BACK YARD AT MEDICAL CITY PLANO AS WELL. I MENTIONED THE LEVEL ONE TRAUMA CENTER, I MENTIONED THE BURN CENTER. THE THIRD CLINICAL PROWESS THAT I HAVE THAT WE WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU, WE HAVE AN EXTRACORPOREAL MEMBRANE OXYGENATION, THINK OF IT AS LIFE SUPPORT FOR YOUR LUNGS OR LIFE SUPPORT FOR YOUR HEART. WE WERE THE FIRST HOSPITAL IN THE STATE OF TEXAS TO TREAT COVID PATIENTS WITH ECHMO, OUR OUTCOMES CLINICALLY ARE 40% BETTER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, YOU COME TO MEDICAL CITY PLANO, YOU HAVE A GREATER LIKELIHOOD OF SURVIVAL THAN ANY HOSPITAL THAT USES ECHMO IN THE COUNTRY RIGHT HERE AT PLANO. THE REST OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE SERVICES AS WELL. 24,000 INPATIENT ADMISSIONS, IN CALENDAR YEAR 2021, 147,000 PATIENT DAYS AT OUR HOSPITAL, YOU CAN SEE OUR AVERAGE FOR 103. I MENTIONED THE POPULATION GROWTH, WHICH IS DRIVING THE NEED FOR OUR EXPANSION, YOU CAN SEE OUR IN PATIENT ADMISSIONS, IN 2021, YOU CAN SEE THE KIND OF LINEAR GROWTH RATE AS WE'VE GROWN WITH THE COMMUNITY UP TO 24,000 IN PATIENT ADMISSIONS AT MEDICAL CITY PLANO. YO CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE, TO YOUR LEFT, THE LARGEST HOSPITAL IN DFW, FIFTH IN DALLAS - FORT WORTH AS WELL. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT OUR ECHMO CENTER AS WELL, AGAIN, THIS IS THE LAST DITCH EFFORT BETWEEN A MORTALITY, UNFORTUNATELY, AND SAVING A PERSON'SIFE, AND BY DOING THAT, WE'RE ABLE TO SAVE MORE LIVES THAN OTHER HOSPITALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE HAVE THE BEST QUALITY OUTCOMES FOR ECHMO ACROSS HOSPITALS IN 16 STATES. THE MOST ADVANCED ARE ACUTE TRAUMA, IT'S TREATED AT MEDICAL CITY PLANO, OUR INTENSIVENESS, AND CARE FOR OUR PATIENTS, IT'S OUR PLEASURE TO DO THAT. THE BURN CENTER, THE GENTLEMAN YOU SEE UP THERE IS A 95% BURN PATIENT, FOR EVERY PERCENT BURN THAT YOU HAVE, 95% BURN PATIENT, MEANS YOU HAVE A 95% LIKELY HOOD OF MORTALITY, FOR THIS GENTLEMAN, WE RAN OUT OF NATIVE SKIN ON HIS BODY TO BE ABLE TO TRANSPLANT, WE HAD TO GROW SKIN IN BOSTON, HAD TO SHIP HERE AND TRANSPLANT ON THIS PARTICULAR PATIENT RIGHT HERE IN PLANO, THIS GENTLEMAN IS A RESIDENT OF PLANO. FINALLY, I WANTED TO SHARE THAT MANY OF THE HOSPITALS ARE NOT, BUT WE E A TAX PAYING ENTITY, MEDICAL CITY PLANO, IN THE YEAR 2021, OUR HOSPITAL DIRECTLY, THE CITY OF PLANO, $16 MILLION, IN 2020 -- OR WITH THE PROPOSED EXPANSION, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT UP TO $23 MILLION OF LOCAL TAXES PAID, GOES TO FIREFIGHTERS ROADS BRIDGES, ET CETERA, YOU CAN SEE THE TOTAL ECONOMIC BENEFIT IS $776 MILLION, THIS IN CALENDAR YEAR 2021, WHICH RUNS CONCURRENT WITH OUR FISCAL YEAR, WITH THIS PROJECTED EXPANSION, $1.1 BILLION OF ECONOMIC BENEFIT RIGHT HERE LOCALLY IN THE CITY OF PLANO THAT WE WANTED TO SHARE AS WELL, BEING A TAX PAYING HOSPITAL, AGAIN, MOST OTHER HOSPITALS ARE NOT FOR PROFIT AND DO NOT PAY TAXES. ONE OF MY LAST TWO SLIDES, I MENTIONED OUR MORTALITY, TALKED ABOUT THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT, AND IT BEING OUR PLEASURE TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF PLANO, OUR MORTALITY IS 44% LOWER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, ON AVERAGE FOR A PATIENT THAT COMES TO MEDICAL CENTER PLANO, THEY HAVE A GREATER CHANCE OF SURVIVING THE AILMENT, WHETHER IT'S IN OUR MARKET OR NATIONALLY. LAST YEAR 183 PATIENTS LEFT OUR HOSPITAL ALIVE OTHERWISE WOULD NOT HAVE BECAUSE OF THE GREAT QUALITY WE ISSUE RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY OF PLANO. THIS IS A QUICK PICTORIAL OF PATIENTS WAITING, AGAIN, THE GOAL IS IN PATIENTS FROM OUR EMERGENCY ROOM UP TO I CU, TO THE PROGRESSIVE CARE UNIT, WE'VE ORGANIZED THE PLAN THE WAY CUTS DOWN THE AMOUNT OF TIME, COMING TO HELICOPTER, E.M.S., THE TIME IT TAKES YOU TO GET TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM, TO INTENSIVE CARE UNIT, ULTIMATELY LESS TIME IN ARIZONA HOSPITALS IS A GOOD THING FOR IMMUNE COMPROMISED PATIENTS AS WELL. I WANT TO INVITE UP OUR CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER TO GO OVER THE EXPANSION. CHRISTINA? >> THANK YOU, GOOD EVENING. SO AS MENTIONED BEFORE, OUR GOAL IN THIS CAMPUS EXPANSION PLAN IS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING BOTH CURRENT AND FUTURE CAPACITY NEEDS. OUR NUMBER ONE PRIMARY FOCUS IN DEVELOPING ANY TYPE OF EXPANSION PROJECT IS ENSURING THAT WE HAVE A PRIMARY PATIENT CENTERED APPROACH. WE EVALUATED THE TYPE OF SERVICE WE NEEDED EXPANDED AND WHEN, AS WELL AS WHAT RESOURCES THOSE NEED, HOW CLOSE THOSE RESOURCES NEED TO -- TWO PARKING GARAGES AND THREE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS, BY PACKAGING ALL OF THIS IN ONE ASK TODAY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GROW MORE PROACTIVELY WITH THE COMMUNITY, OUR IMMEDIATE NEED WITHIN THESE PLANS IS TO EXPAND WHAT WE CALL C TOWER TO ACCOMMODATE OUR CRITICAL BURN CAPACITY AND CREATE OUR HELIPADS TO THE ROOF. THE BURN AND TRAUMA PATIENTS THAT WE SERVE ARE INCREDIBLY UNIQUE, WITH TRAUMA PATIENTS AS MENTIONED, THE IMMEDIATE RESPONSE UPON ARRIVAL IS CRITICAL, MINUTES CAN BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO KEEP THESE PATIENTS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE OR DURING THEIR ENTIRE STAY WITH US, MANY INTERVENTIONS MAY BE NEEDED AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE FOR THEIR CARE. ONE OF THE HIGHEST RISK OF SURVIVABILITY ARE INFECTION, THESE PATIENTS ARE TAKEN TO AND FROM THE OPERATING ROOM, UP TO 20 TIMES DURING THEIR SEVERAL MONTH STAY DURING THE SEVERITY OF THEIR BURN, WE HAVE TO MINIMIZE THE LENGTH AND EXPOSURE OF EVERY TRANSPORT FOR THEIR SAFETY. MOVING ON TO THE S.A.F.E. AT THIS OF HELIPADS, WE HAVE TO EMPLOY OUR SECURITY TEAM TO STOP TRAFFIC INCLUDING PEDESTRIANS AND AMBULANCES COMING TO OUR HOSPITAL TO ALLOW FOR LANDING. THIS ENSURES NO OBSTRUCTIONS AND IMPROVES TIMELINESS OF CARE TO THE PATIENTS ARRIVING VIA HELICOPTER AND AMBULANCE. THIS WILL ALLOW US WE CAN EXPAND TO THE NORTH SIDE OF OUR CAMPUS, AND IT WILL ENSURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO DECREASE THE DURATION OF HELICOPTER NOISE BY DECREASING THE TIME THE HELICOPTER GO FROM UP IN THE AIR TO THE 8 STORY ROOF INSTEAD OF THE GROUND. THERE ARE SEVERAL LISTED ON THE SLIDE IN FRONT OF YOU, IT INVOLVES EVERYTHING FROM MOVING A PARKING GARAGE LOCATION, ORIGINALLY SLATED TO BE VERY CLOSE TO OUR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE, AND COURT, ADDING SOME BUFFER BETWEEN THAT -- BETWEEN THAT ORIGINALLY PROPOSED PARKING GARAGE AND THE CROMWELL COURT AREA AND OUR RESIDENTIAL LINE, WE ALSO NEW THE HELIPAD LOCATION WOULD BE A GIANT CONCERN FOR RESIDENTS. WE'VE ALREADY INVESTED IN INSTRUMENT APPROACHES AND DEPARTS SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE GPS RELATED APPROACHES AND DEPARTURES TO REDUCE THE RISK OF THEM FLYING OVER THE RESIDENTIAL AREA UNLESS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. IN OUR FINAL REVISION, OR THE FINAL SECTION THAT WE REVIEWED, THE BIGGEST CONCERN AGAIN WAS OUR C TOWER AND ENSURING THAT WE WERE ADDING ADDITIONAL FLOORS THERE WAS NO OTHER OPTION, BECAUSE OF THESE TRAUMA AND BURN PATIENTS BEING MOST CRITICAL FOR US TO EXPAND, WE DETERMINED THIS WAS THE ONLY LOCATION THEY COULD GO. THERE WERE SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS MADE BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE IMPACTFUL TO RESIDENTS. WE ADDED A RESIDENTIAL BUFFER LINE AS INDICATED BY THE DASH LINE, WE'VE COMMITTED TO REDUCING ANY HEIGHT A ADDITIONS TO TWO STORIES, THIS INCORPORATED US REMOVING A PATIENT TOWER EXPANSION SLATED IN THIS SPACE AND REDUCING A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING HEIGHT. WE'VE ADDED ADDITIONAL MEASURES GO PRIVACY, WE'VE CONDUCTED SOLAR STUDIES AND TIME STUDIES TO MAKE SE WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER ALTERNATIVES FOR THIS PATIENT POPULATION. AGAIN, TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE REDUCING ANY UNNECESSARY TRAFFIC OVER THE RESIDENTIAL AREA BY THE HELICOPTERS, WE WORKED VERY HARD TO DEVELOP PLANS THAT HONOR GOOD COMMITMENT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS, IT ALSO MEANS PROVIDING OUR NEIGHBORS WITH THE CARE THAT WE WOULD EXPECT FOR OUR FAMILY MEMBERS AND OUR FRIENDS. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR CHIEF OF STAFF TO COME UP AND INCLUDE OUR PRESENTION. >> THANKS. THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR HAVING US, MY NAME IS SCOTT VAN POPPAL, THE CHIEF OF STAFF FOR MEDICAL CITY PLANO. I REPRESENT AS OF YESTERDAY 2230 PHYSICIANS THAT PRACTICE AT MEDICAL CITY PLANO, MORE IMPORTANTLY, I AM PRACTICING CRITICAL CARE PHYSICIAN. BEEN TO PLANO FOR MEDICAL CITY PLANO FOR 12 YEARS, I'VE BEEN IN THE CITY OF PLANO, RAISED MY CHILDREN HERE FOR 12 YEARS. I THINK AS A PHYSICIAN, WE THINK OF TOTALCARE AS A RATIO, TOTALCARE EQUALS QUALITY AND SAFETY OVER TIME. IF YOU INCREASE THE QUALITY, IF YOU INCREASE THE SAFETY, YOU INCREASE THE TOTALCARE, IF YOU DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF TIME, YOU INCREASE THE TOTALCARE, I THINK THAT THIS EXPANSION IS A PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION OF THAT. IF WE CAN INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF THE ICU, WE MOVE PATIENTS OUT OF THE ER, IF WE MOVE THE HELIPADS TO THE TOP, WE MAKE THE SPEED OF GETTING THAT PATIENT, THE RIGHT PATIENT INTO THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME, WE MAKE THAT FASTER, WE MAKE THAT BETTER, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE A CRITICAL CARE PATIENT LIKE WHAT I TAKE CARE OF, WHAT MY TRAUMA SURGEONS TAKE CARE OF, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE IN A ROOM WHERE YOU HAVE ALL THE RESOURCES WITHIN ARM'S LENGTH, OUR DOCTORS DO AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF STABILIZING, BUT TO GET THE FINAL CARE, YOU NEED TO BE IN THE FINAL RESOURCE, WHICH IS ICUOOM OR ER OR OR. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF IN TRAUMA THAT WE TALK ABOUT THE GOLDEN HOUR AFTER SOMEBODY GOES THROUGH A TRAUMA, THAT IS ACTUALLY NOT TRUE. I'S THE GODEN MINUTE. EVERY SINGLE MINUTE, WHETHER IT'S TRAVELING FROM A CT SCANNER OR TRAVELING THROUGH A HALLAWAY, OR TRAVELING OKAY CROSS THE STREET BECAUSE YOU HAD TO GO FROM A HELIPAD TO THE ER COUNTS. EVERY SINGLE MINUTE COUNTS IN CRITICAL CARE. THAT IS EXPONENTIAL TOWARD YOUR OUTCOMES DOWN THE ROAD. >> Mayor Muns: YOU NEED TO WRAP IT UP. >> SURE. I THINK THAT THERE'S ONE MORE COMMENT I WILL SAY ABOUT A -- ABOUT WHAT PHYSICIANS LOOK FOR, AND THAT IS NOT JUST TO TAKE CARE OF THE INDIVIDUAL PATIENT, BUT ALSO TO TAKE CARE OF THE COMMUNITY. SO I THINK THIS ALLOWS US TO SEE MORE PATIENTS, EXPAND DEEPER INTO THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. >> ALL RIGHT, OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS ROYCE CLAYTON. GOOD EVENING, I'M ROYCE CLAYTON, I LIVE AT 2 2749, LIVED ADJACENT TO IT FROM 1987, I HAVE NO CONCERNS ABOUT THE HOSPITAL WANTING TO GROW. OKAY? I UNDERSTAND. I'VE BEEN TREATED THERE MYSELF. THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB. BUT AS A NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENT IN THE CITY OF PLANO, I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE HELICOPTER NOISE, THERE ARE OTHER EXPERTS HERE THAT ARE GOES TO DISCUSS THAT ISSUE, BUT THE THINGS THAT I AM GOING TO DISCUSS ARE BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. ALL RIGHT? THE HOSPITAL HASN'T EVEN MAINTAINED THE BRICK WALL THAT'S BETWEEN US AND THEM VERY WELL OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. THEY REFER TO YOU, YOU REFER BACK TO THEM, IT GOES BACK AND FORTH, OKAY? THE OTHER THING IS THERE'S AN NFPA418 WHICH IS A NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ACT OF 2022. STANDARD HELLE COPTER, HELLE PORTS, IN SETTING SUCH AS HOSPITALS WITH ADDITIONAL OR MOD FACES, DRASTICALLY IMPACT THE SAFETY OF PATIENTS HEALTHCARE AND AIRCRAFT PERSONNEL. NOW, I TALKED TO THE FIRE CHIEF AND HE SAID WE HAVEN'T REVIEWED THIS DOCUMENT. WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT. OKAY? WE ALL KNOW ACCIDENTS ARE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO HAPPEN AND THEY HAPPEN WHEN WE LEAST EXPECT THEM AND WE DON'T WANT TO EXPECT EXPECT THEM. I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS SAFE IN THIS SITUATION OKAY? WE DISCUSSED THE 2018 BUILDING IN 2018, WE ALL AGREED, THEY GROWED THAT IT WAS GOING TO CONTINUE A FOUR STORY BUILDING, AND THAT WAS IT, NOW WE'RE COMING BACK, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT 8 STORIES, WHEN I'M DONE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAND OUT TO YOUR SECRETARY A LITTLE PICTURE YOU CAN PASS AROUND, IT'S AT 7:09 IN THE EVENING AND THE FOUR STORY BUILDING IS CASTING A SHADOW AS FAR AS 2749 CROMWELL COURT, IT'S BASICALLY OBSTRUCTING MY CITY OKAY? AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO US. I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO AS PEN COURT. THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THEY COULD DO WITH THESE BUILDINGS, THEY COULD RUN A BUILDING EAST AND WEST, THEY CAN TIE IT DIRECTLY INTO THE EXISTING BUILDING, THEY CAN REACH THE TRAUMA FACILITY AND THE ER WITHIN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME. SO WHAT I'M ASKING IS IF THEY GO WITH THIS PROPOSAL, WHAT LEGAL GROUNDS ARE YOU GOING TO ESTABLISH SO THESE CODES DON'T CHANGE AGAIN. BECAUSE WE'VE COME BACK, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME, WE'VE BEEN BACK HERE, OKAY? AND I REALLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO COME BACK A THIRD TIME. I'M GETTING TO BE AN OLD MAN OKAY? BUT I WANT MY CITY AND MY HOSPITAL TO BE FAIR TO ALL OF US INVOLVED. [ BUZZER SOUNDING ] SO PLEASE WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THIS, CAN WELL HAVE THE TY ATTORNEY, DRAWP A LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT SAYS THIS IS IT. THIS IS THE LAST ZONING CHANGE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ON THIS PROPERTY, AND THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR, THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: APPRECIATE IT. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS JUDY. I BUTCHERED THAT, I'M SO SORRY. >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS JUDY, I AM THE HOPRESENT OF PARK BLUFF CONDOMINIUMS, SO I DO REPRESENT ALL MY NEIGHBORS THERE. ARAND THE ONES, EXCUSE ME, WHO ARE UNABLE TO SPEAK HERE TONIGHT. I'M A RETIRED TEACHER. I LIVE ON A FIXED INCOME. THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS KIND OF A POCKET OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IF THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO YOU, AND WE ARE NEIGHBORS TO ASPEN COURT. THE SITUATION THAT MEDICAL CITY HAS PUT US IN FEELS LIKE A H KIND OF THING, AND GOLIATH IS A HOSPITAL, AND THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO FIGHT, SO WE'VE LIVED IN HARMONY WITH THEM FOR DECADES, BUT NOW WITH THE NEW CEO, HE SEEMS ADAMANT, OR THEY SEEM ADAMANT ON GETTING THEIR VERSION OF EXPANSION ACCOMPLISHED. WITH ZERO REGARD FOR HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND TO ME, THAT'S KIND OF A BAD NEIGHBOR. THEY LIED TO US WHEN THEY PUT IN THE LAST HELIPAD, THE EXTRA ONE, THAT THEY PROMISED THAT THOSE HELICOPTERS WERE GOING TO FLY IN A NORTH SOUTH PATTERN, UP RIGHT ALONG POINT ROAD, THEY DON'T. THEY FLY DIRECTLY OVER OUR PROPERTY. I HEARD THEM TODAY. I TOOK A PICTURE. EXCUSE ME, I'VE TAKEN -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN - LET ME SHOW YOU. THAT'S RIGHT OUTSIDE MY PATIO, THAT'S CLOSE. AND I DID, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM THE VIDEO, AND I DO HAVE THE VIDEO IF ANYBODY IS WILLING TO SEE THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S LOUD. YOU CAN EVEN TELL THE MARKINGS OF IT. THE THING ABOUT IT IS HOW ARE THEY GOING TO POLICE THAT? IF THEY WOULD DO WHAT THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO AND MAKE SURE THAT THE HELICOPTERS WENT IN THAT NORTH-SOUTH PATTER INSTEAD OF OVER OUR BUILDINGS, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. EVEN NOW WHETHER THEY EXPAND OR NOT. AND NONE OF US WHO SPOKE AT THE OTHER MEETING SAID WE DIDN'T WANT MEDICAL CITY NOT TO EXPAND. YOU KNOW, GO FOR IT. THEY NEED TO DO THAT. I SEE THE NEED AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE REFUSING TO LOOK AT AM TURNIVE PLANS, AND, UMM, I GUESS BECSE THERE NOT EXPEDIENT OR COST EFFECTIVE. BUT -- AND THE ONE THING THAT BOTHERS ME IS. [ BUZZER SOUNDING ] -- IS THAT MY TIME? ONE THING THAT BOTHERS ME IS THEY CHANGED THE SETBACK FROM 300 FEET TO 80 FEET. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE A HELICOPTER LANDING 80 FEET FROM YOUR RESIDENCE? SO THE CITY COUNCIL HAS A DECISION TO MAKE. WILL YOU DECIDE THAT PLANO IS THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE FOR ALL ITS RESIDENTS OR ST FOR BUSINESSES AND CORPORATIONS? THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU,. >> NEXT SPEAKER IS JAMES MERRILL. >> CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. I DO HAVE PARKINSON'S DISEASE, AND I'M ON NEW MEDICATION, AND IT'S CAUSING ME HAVOC TONIGHT, AND IT'S A LATE MEETING. WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES FOR ASPEN COURT APARTMENTS AND PARK BLUFF CONDOMINIUMS, AND THE HOUSES ON CROMWELL COURT. THE NOISE REVERBERATION IS GOING TO BE ENORMOUS WITH THOSE TWIN JET HELICOPTERS GOING OVER, BAI REPORT U NGLE ENGINE HELICOPTERS, NOT THE TWIN ENGINE HELICOPTERS, THEY TWO UP TO 105DB, DECIBELS, WHICH IS NIGHTMARISH, TO BE TRUTHFUL. THERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE AND THAT IS EARLY SHADOWS. ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, BEFORE DUSK COMES IN, THERE WILL BE SHADOWS ACROSS ASPEN COURT, EVEN SHADOWS ACROSS CROMWELL CURT PROPERTIES TOO, AND THEY'RE 500 FEETLUS AY. THERE'S GOING TO BE A COMPLETE BLOCKED VIEW OF THE HORIZON FOR ASPEN COURT TENANTS AS WELL AS CROMWELL TENANTS, AS WELL AS OTHER TENANTS, OTHER TENANTS AND RESIDENTS IN THE AREA, THERE'S ONLY AN 85-FOOT SETBACK, WHEN IT SHOULD BE 259 FEET SETBACK, IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS, I'VE BEEN A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL FOR MANY YEARS AND I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE COME UP TO THIS TYPE OF SITUATION. I WILL TELLOU THAT MARK THOMAS IS A RENOWNED ARCHITECT HAS DRAWN TOGETHER A PLAN, AND IT WAS COMPLETED JUST A FEW HOURS AGO, I BELIEVE, THAT WILL GIVE SOLUTION TO THE CASE. IT COULD BE A WIN-WIN, FOR ASPEN COURT AS WELL AS THE HOSPITAL, MAY COST MORE MONEY, BUT IT WILL BE A WIN-WIN. MARK'S PLAN WILL ACTUALLY GIVE A BETTER APPROACH AND DEPARTURE FOR THE HELICOPTERS BECAUSE IT'S ON A EAST-WEST BUILDING, SO HE CAN GO IN WITHOUT MAKING A TURN. SIDE TURN, NORTH SOUTH DIRECTION. IT'S A BIG DEAL FOR HIGH WINDS AND MODERATE WINDS THAT WE HAVE. I WOULD LIKE TO IMPLORE YOU TO RECONSIDER YOUR ACTIONS TONIGHT, APPROVING THEIR PLAN WITHOUT HAVING MARK THOMAS VISIT WITH MEDICAL CENTER PLANO FOLKS, SEE ABOUT THIS NEW PLAN HE'S GOT. THE TIMING ON HIS PLAN WILL ACTUALLY SHORTEN BY ABOUT 10 TO 20 SECONDS THE VISITS TO THE OR AND THE ER. >> 20 SECONDS. >> BY THE -- BY THE PATIENTS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS DAMITA WILLIAMS AND SHE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL STAND-EVEN. >> >> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS DAMITA WILLIAMS, I'M A NURSE AND I DO SERVE AT MEDICAL CITY PLANO, I COME TO YOU ON BEHALF OF THE NURSING STAFF IN OUR HOSPITAL. I WANT TO CONVEY A VERY DEFINITE MESSAGE THAT WE DO CARE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY. THAT IS OUR MISSION, AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT IS OUR COMMUNITY. WE'VE JUST COME OUT OF A TERRIBLE PANDEMIC, NOTHING THAT WAS PLANNED BY ANYONE. AND WE WERE ABLE TO CARE FOR MORE PATIENTS THAN ANY OTHER FACILITY IN DOING SO. WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE NEXT ONE COMES. WE NEVER ANTICIPATED THE VOLUMES OF PATIENTS THAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY, POST PANDEMIC. BUT IT'S A REALITY THAT THEY'RE HERE AND WANT TO CARE FOR THEM. THAT INCLUDES OUR NEIGHBORS. WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES. AND SO WE JUST COME TO YOU ON BEHALF OF THE CAREGIVERS WHO HAVE A DESIRE TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY, PROVIDE EXCEPTIONAL CARE TO THEM, BUT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT. WE ARE ALSO PARTNERS WITH THE E.M.S. COMMUNITY, AND WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THEIR EFFORT TO BE ABLE TO OFFLOAD THOSE PATIENTS. I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR CONSIDERATION, IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING THING WHEN YOU HAVE TWO GREATER GOODS AND YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THOSE TWO. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> >> HELLO. I'M MICHAEL STANDEVEN, 1600 AMELIA COURT, UNIT NUMBER 1112. I COME HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE REQUEST THAT'S HAPPENED THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO YOU ABOUT THE ISSUES WITH IT REGARDING THE SHADOWS. THERE WILL BEHADOWS THAT WE PUT NUMEROUS SPEAKERS TALK ABOUT THEM, THEY WILL BE OVERSHADOWING MY UNIT NUMBER AND OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS THE CONDOMINIUMS, AS WELL AS SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, YOU KNOW, AND THEY'LL ALSO THE HELICOPTERS, THEY'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BE REALLY CLOSE. IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY CLOSE TO US, LIKE 80 FEET, AND IT SHOULD BE A THOUSAND FEET FOR LIKE COMMERCIAL THINGS, AND LIKE 300 OR SO FEET FOR HOSPITALS. THIS IS WAY, WAY TOO CLOSE. YEAH. AND, YEAH, BUT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THEY IN 2018, THEY TRIED TO DO THIS, AND IT WAS REJECTED, BECAUSE IT WAS A BAD IDEA THEN, YOU KNOW? AND, YOU KNOW, SO THEY SHOULDN'T -- YEAH, IT WAS A BAD IDEA THEN. THINKING -- YEAH. BUT, YEAH, THEY WANT TO PUT THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IT CALLED, A BUFFER, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY HAVEN'T LISTENED TO US. WE WANT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HAVE THIS 8 STORY BUILDING. THIS IS NOT WHAT I CAME TO PLANO FOR. I DID NOT COME HERE, YOU KNOW, FOUR YEARS AGO THIS WAS REJECTED BECAUSE IT WAS A BAD IDEA. YOU KNOW, I CAME HERE FOR SAFE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND YOU -- YOU'VE HEARD LOTS OF REQUESTS ABOUT APPROVING SA AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE IN SAFE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ARE WE TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE THERE, YOU KNOW? THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA, THINK THINK, WELL, WE CAN JUST PUT BUSHES BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND OUR APARTMENT, AND THERE THAT DOESN'T SOLVE A PROBLEM, THAT IS LIPSTICK ON A PIG. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. THIS REQUEST IS A TERRIBLE REQUEST. AND, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY DON'T -- IT'S A HORRIBLE, YOU KNOW, THEY THINK THEY CAN BUILD -- YOU KNOW,HEY SAY TH, IF THEY BUILD THEMSELVES INTO A CORNER -- >> 20 SECONDS. >> IF THEY BUILD THEMSELVES INTO A CORNER, SHOULD WE BE LEFT HOLDING THE BAG, SHOULD WE BE LEFT HOLDING THE BAG WHEN THEY DECIDE TO FLY HELICOPTERS OVERHEAD, SHOULD WE BE LEFT HOLDING THE BAG WHEN THEY DECIDE THEY CAN HAVE THEIR FENCE LEANING OVER BEING A HAZARD AGAINST OUR TELEPHONE POLES. THIS IS A HAZARD TO OUR CHILDREN IN THE COMMUNITY, WE MUST OPPOSE IT, IT'S TERRIBLE THEN, IT'S TERRIBLE NOW. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS NATHAN BARBARA AND HE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JAMES DOYLE. >> GOOD EVENING, IF I CAN STILL SAY GOOD EVENING, NOT GOOD MORNING, I'M GLAD TO SAY THAT, MY NAME IS NATHAN BARBARA, I'M SURE Y'ALL KNOW WHO I AM, I'M HERE TO SAY I LIVE JUST WEST OF COIT AND JUST NORTH OF PARK, SO I'M NOT RIGHT NEXT TO THE HELICOPTERS, BUT I AM IN THEIR PATH FROM ANY TIME SOMETHING COM FROM THE NORTH. I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME. I DON'T EVEN NOTICE IT ANYMORE. BUT WHEN I DO NOTICE IT, I SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M GLAD THAT'S COMING HERE, BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONLY LEVEL ONE TRAUMA CENTER IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY. WE ARE A CITY OF EXCELLENCE. AND THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE PROVIDES ADEQUATE HEALTHCARE TO ALL OF ITS CITIZENS. OUR HOSPITAL IN PLANO CURRENTLY HAS 27 PATIENTS WITHOUT BEDS. THE HOSPITAL NEEDS TO AGREE. PRESBYTERIAN HASROWN. BAYLOR HAS GROWN, MEDICAL CITY PLANO HAS GROWN AND CONTINUES NEEDS TO GROW. IN 2018, THEY TALKED ABOUT PLANS GOT REJECTED FOR FOUR TO EIGHT STORIES, I WAS PART OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AT THAT TIME, IF I'M NOT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT PLAN WAS RESCINDED BECAUSE THE NEED AT THE TIME WASN'T THERE, AND THEY COULD GET BY WITH FOUR STORIES. IT'S 2022, THE WORLD HAS CHANGED. WE'VE HAD A GLOBAL PANDEMIC AND THE NEEDS OF THE HOSPITAL ARE GREATLY DIFFERENT NOW THAN THEY WERE IN 2018. I AM SORRY, I DO SYMPATHIZE WITH THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE THE BUILDING NEXT TO THEIR HOMES AND APARTMENTS IS GOING TO GO FROM FOUR STORIES TO EIGHT STORIES AND THAT IS AN INCONVENIENCE. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE INCONVENIENCE OF THE NEIGHBORING -- OF THE NEIGHBORS IS OUTWEIGHED BY THE NEEDS OF THE CITY AS A WHOLE, AND THE CITY OF THE WHOLE IS LUCKY TO HAVE MEDICAL CENTER PLANO, IT'S LUCKY TO HAVE BAYLOR, WE'RE LUCKY TO HAVE THE QUALITY WE HAVE. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE A GOT TO GO UP, AND FOUR TY STORIES IS NOT A WHOLE LOT TO ASK FOR KNOWING WHAT THE SERVICE THAT THEY PROVIDE, AND LASTLY, TO MAKE IT PERSONAL, THE HELICOPTER PADS NOW ARE ON THE GROUND, AND IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN THERE, TO THE HOSPITAL WHEN THERE'S A HELICOPTER LANDING, THEY SHUT ALL THE STREETS THAT COME IN THERE AROUND THE EMERGENCY ROOM DOWN WHILE THOSE HELICOPTERS ARE ON APPROACH. I KNOW THAT BECAUSE ON CHRISTMAS MORNING MY MOTHER FELL AND SHATTERED HER ELBOW DI I DROVE HER TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM. I MADE A MISTAKE OF COMING FROM THE NORTH OF THE PARK. >> 20 SECOND. >> Smith : THE HELICOPTER WAS COMING IN FROM A BAD CAR WRECK, THEREFORE WE SAT IN THE CAR FOR WHAT SEEMED LIKE AN ETERNITY, I'M SURE IT WAS ONLY A FEW MINUTES, WHAT SEEMED LIKE AN ETERNITY, BECAUSE THE ROADS GOING INTO THE EMERGENCY ROOM WERE BLOCKED BECAUSE OF THE HELICOPTER. YOU PUT THE HELICOPTERS ON THE ROOF, TRAFFIC DOESN'T GET BLOCKED, IT'S ONE DECIBEL DIFFERENT, AND IT'S SHORTER MINUTES ON APPROACH. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANKS, NATHAN. >> GOOD EVENING, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME AND SPEAK TONIGHT, I'M JAMES DOYLE, I'M A PLANO RESIDENT, MY WIFE AND I ARE THE OWNERS OF 1700 AMELIA COURT, UNIT 125, WHICH IS IN THE PARK BLUFF CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX. I LOVE THE HOSPITAL. I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THE EXPANSION. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF HOW THEY'RE GOING ABOUT DOING IT. I TOOK A WALK UP BY THE PEN URT APARTMENTS A FEW DAYS AGO, A FEW DAYS PRIOR TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, TO LOOK AT THAT FOUR STORY BUILDING THAT EXISTS THERE NOW, IT'S IMPOSING, AS IT IS. WHEN I SAW THE RENDITIONS OF THE ADDITIONAL FOUR STORIES ON THERE, THAT WAS SHOWN IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, THAT BUILDING WILL TOWER OVER THE PEOPLE IN THE ASPEN COURT APARTMENTS. I FEEL SORRY FOR THEM. I REALLY DO. I ALSO SAW A RENDITION BY SOMEONE WHO HAD DONE CREATIVE ARCHITECTURAL WORK THAT SAYS THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT CAN BE DONE WHERE YOU DON'T NEED TO EXPAND THAT BUILDING AN EXTRA FOUR STORIES. NOW, THIS IS NOT THE HOSPITAL COMING UP WITH THIS, IT'S SOMEONE ELSE. BUT I WOULD URGE THE HOSPITAL TO GET CREATIVE AND FIND A WAY, SOMEHOW FIND A WAY, THEY'VE GOT RO ROOM TO BUILD ON THAT COMPLEX WHERE THEY DON'T NEED TO GO UP THAT. IT MAY NOT BE A PERFECT SOLUTION. IT MAY NOT BE THE FASTEST WAY, THEY PROBABLY DON'T HAVE A PERFECT SOLUTION WITH THE WAY THEY'RE GOING, BUT I'M JUST -- WOULD URGE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, PICTURE -- PICTURE HOW THAT EXTRA FOUR STORIES IS GOING TO TOWER OVER THOSE PEOPLE IN THOSE APARTMENTS. AND NOISE WILL BE AN ISSUE. IT'S ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED BY OTHERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS DAN THOMAS WHO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MARK THOMAS. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, AND COUNCIL, I LIVE AT 3568 TACKE WOOD HAPPY, I'M AN ARCHITECT AND PLANNER FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS. I UNDERSTAND THE LIMITATIONS, I UNDERSTAND THE EXPANSIONS OR HOSPITAL, BUT THE REAL ISSUE IS TIME. WE'VE GOT SETBACKS, WE'VE GOT RULES, BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT TIME, AND IT'S ABOUT THE PATIENT RECEIVING THE CARE ON TIME. THE HELICOPTER PASSES OVER MY HOUSE, EVERY TIME I LOOK AT THE HELICOPTER, I'M HOPING AND PRAYING THEY MAKE IT THERE IN TIME, BECAUSE TIME IS LIFE, AND OUR FACILITY SHOULD NOT IMPEDE OUR HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS THAT TIME, IT SHOULD NOT IMPEDE THE DELIVERY OF CARE FOR OUR CITY AND OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> I'M MARK THOMAS. THOMAS ARCHITECTS, ON BEHALF OF ASPEN COURT, WE'VE LIVED IN PLANO FOR 40 YEARS, HAD AN OFFICE HERE FOR 37 YEARS. MY WIFE IS A SCHOOL TEACHER, AND WE HAD THREE KIDS IN THIS HOSPITAL, AND I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH GOOD THINGS ABOUT THAT, THAT EXPERIENCE. WE DO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS, AND YOU'VE GOT 50 PLUS ACRES AND WE THINK YOU CAN DO THAT. THIS MAY NOT BE THE EXACT PLAN THAT MEETS EVERY CRITERIA THAT THE ARCHITECTS WOULD DESIRE, MCP, BUT WE BELIEVE IT'S BASED OFF OUR EXPERIENCE, DOING PROJECTS, INCLUDING MEDICAL AND HEALTHCARE PROJECTS IN 20 STATES AND TWO FOREIGN COUNTRIES, THAT WE -- OUR EXPERIENCE TELLS US THAT THIS CAN BE BUILT. WE'VE MADE A COMPROMISE FROM THE P&Z MEETING. P&Z MEETING WE HAD THE HELLE LLI D PADS OVER THE WOMEN'S BUILDING, HERE WE'VE MOVED THEM TO THE EAST, THEY'RE ON THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN THE ALTERNATIVE DESIGN IS SHOWN IN PURPLE. THE BLUE IS THE FOUR STORY. WE BELIEVE IT NEEDS TO RETAIN FOUR STORY. WE NEED TO STAGGER UP, JUST LIKE OUR ORDINANCES IN THE BEST ORDINANCES IN THE COUNTRY, IN URBAN ENVIRONMENTS, THEY STAGGER UP AND GO TOWARD THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY WITH HIGHER BUILDING, AND THE SHORTER BUILDINGS CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. WE BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN DO BOTH. HAVE THERERVATION OF LIFE AND A QUALITY OF LIFE. AT THIS HOSPITAL. AND WE BELIEVE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. AND ONE OF BIG THINGS HERE IS TIME. AND WHAT WE STRESSED HERE, MOVING THOSE HELIPADS OVER TO THE EAST, WE'VE ACTUALLY CUT DOWN ON THAT TIME, 22 SECONDS, LET ME BACK UP, WE'RE 17 SECONDS FASTER THAN THE 8 STORY BUILDING ADDITION, FROM THE FARTHEST HELIPAD, AND WE'RE 22 SECONDS FROM THE FARTHEST ROOM IN THE ALTERNATE DESIGN, AND THAT IS TO THE ED AND OR RESPECTIVELY. WE THINK TIME IS AN ISSUE, AND THAT'S LIFE SAFETY, AND SO WE FIND A WAY TO REDUCE THAT. WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN -- THIS BUILDING IS RIGHT -- >> 20 SECONDS -- >> RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. VERY CLOSE. WE'VE GOT GARDEN DECKS THERE IN PLACE WHERE THE TREES AND GREENERY AND SO FORTH. AND WE THINK THAT HELIPADS CANE -- TWO OF THEM ARE GOING TO REMAIN WHERE THEY ARE, TWO OF THEM NEED TO BE NEW. WE ALSO BELIEVE THERE CAN BE OTHER ENTRANCES IN THE CONSTRUCTION, TO THE NUMBER ONE LOCATION THAT YOU SEE ON THAT SITE PLAN, AND THAT WOULD HAVE A SUB STATION TO GET INTO THE ED. THAT'S MY TIME. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MIKE FARMER, WHO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MARK LIEBERMAN. >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MIKE FARMER, I'VE LIVED IN PLANO SINCE 1994, THE CORNER OF PARK AND COIT, JUST ADJACENT TO THE MEDICAL CENTER, AND I'VE SEEN MANY THINGS HAPPEN OVER THE YEARS, BEING THAT CLOSE, THE DIFFERENT ADD ONS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. I WILL HAVE TO SAY THAT ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS, THESE HELICOPTERS HAVE FLOWN EXTREMELY CLOSE TO WHERE EVEN PICTURES ON THE WALLS OF MY APARTMENT WOULD RATTLE. THIS IS NOT AN EVERY TIME OCCURRENCE, BUT 40 TO 50% OF THE TIME. LITERALLY PICTURES ARE RATTLING, THAT IS PRETTY ALARMING, I WOULD SAY. THERE AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND EXPANSION, EVERYBODY HAS TO GROW, RIGHT, MOVE TO A BIGGER HOUSE FROM A SMALLER ONE, WHAT HAVE YOU, BUT I DO THINK THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS, OTHER THAN THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO IT. THERE'S NO OTHER CHOICES. THERE'S DEFINITELY CHOICES. AND I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE SHSHADOW OF THE BUILDINGS, I LIVE WITHIN FEET OF THAT BUILDING, AND BY ADDING TO THAT, THAT IS ONE CONCERN, BUT PUTTING THE HELIPADS ON THAT BUILDING RIGHT THERE, THAT'S TOO CLOSE TO COMFORT FOR ME, PERSONALLY. THERE'S NITROGEN TANKS THERE. HUGE TANK, RIGHT THERE NEXT TO WHERE THESE HELIPADS ARE GOING TO BE, ANYTHING TO HAPPEN, SOMETHING SQUIRRELY, GUESS WHAT, PROBABLY TAKE OUT OUR PROPERTY, AND THAT REALLY DOES CONCERN ME, LIKE I SAID, I'M ALL FOR GROWTH AND STUFF, I'VE GOT THAT, I'M ALSO FOR SAFETY, TOO, AND, YOU KNOW, PEACE, I'VE BEEN SINCE THERE '94, I DON'T WANT TO EXPAND INTO A CONCRETE JUNGLE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BEING WOKE UP ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE JUST NOT WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. OKAY? THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS MARK LIEBERMAN I'M A HELICOPTER PILOT WHO SPEND MANY AN HOUR CARRYING PEOPLE WITH BROKEN BODIES TO HOSPITALS. PUTTING THE HELICOPTER -- HELLE PORT, EXCUSE ME, ON TOP OF A BUILDING DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. WHAT HAPPENS IS IN PLANO, WHERE WE HAVE 120 PLUS DAYS A YEAR WHERE IT'S OVER 100°. WE ARE ACTUALLY FORCING THE PILOTS TO FLY IN A DANGEROUS PART OF THE FLIGHT ENVELOPE AND IT INCREASES THE CHANCE OF AN ACCIDENT. IT ALSO REDUCES THE SAFETY MARGIN AND INCREASES, NOT DECREASE, THE NOISE LEVELS. WHY? BECAUSE THE HELICOPTERS THAT ARE BEING FLOWN ON E.M.S. MISSIONS TODAY IN NORTH TEXAS ARE TWIN ENGINE HELICOPTERS. THEY HAVE AN AVERAGE NOISE LEVEL ABOUT 105 DECIBELS, WHICH IS, BY THE WAY, 35 TO 50, DEPENDING ON WHICH PART OF THE RANGE YOU WANT TO DO, THE PLANO NOISE ORDINANCE, BOTH DAY AND NIGHT. THE SECOND THING IS I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY, OH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE INSTRUMENT APPROACHES. WELL, THAT DOESN'T SOL ANOTHER PROBLEM EITHER, BECAUSE THE PREVAILING WINDS ARE FROM THE NORTH, THE SOUTH, AND THE WEST, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO APPROACH THE HELIPADS FROM THE EAST RIGHT OVER ASPEN COURT, RIGHT OVER AMELIA COURT, AND RIGHT OVER AMELIA -- EXCUSE ME, THE CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX, I GOT THEM MIXED UP. ANYWAY, THE NEXT POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WHEN YOU ASK A HELICOPTER PILOT TO FLY WHAT'S CONDITION KNOWN AS HOVERING OVER GROUND EFFECT, WHICH IS THE LAST 30 SECONDS TO TWO MINUTES OF THE APPROACH, AT 150 FEET OVER THE GROUND, YOU ARE PUTTING HIM IN HARM'S WAY. IT IS PART OF THE ENVELOPE THAT EVERY HELICOPTER MANUFACTURER SAYS DO NOT FLY IN FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME. WHY? BECAUSE ANY TIME -- ANY PROBLEM, WHETHER IT'S A MECHANICAL PROBLEM WITH A HELICOPTER, CHANGE IN WIND, CHANGE IN SUCH LENS, CHANGE IN ANYTHING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ACCIDENT. NOW, THE LAST THING I WANT TO -- POINT I WANT TO MAKE, SINCE I'VE BEEN A LONG-TERM PLANO RESIDENT, WE'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THE TOWN WAS LESS THAN 35,000, PEOPLE, I'VE SAT AND TALKED TO THIS -- THIS GROUP, ALBEIT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, AND THE ONE THING THAT WAS CONSISTENT WAS PLANO MADE COMMITMENTS TO ITS PEOPLE. FOUR YEARS AGO, MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE RESIDENTS OF THESE HOMES NEAR THE HOSPITAL. AND IT SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD A TALLER BUILDING. >> 20 SECONDS. >> CAN I HAVE TEN MORE SECONDS, FIFTEEN MORE SECONDS PLEASE. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: GO. >> SO ANYWAY, MY POINT IS THIS, THE HOSPITAL CAME IN, SAID, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO GO MORE THAN FOUR STORIES, YET HERE WE ARE TODAY, THEY WANT TO GO EIGHT STORIES, THE COMMITMENT TO THE CITY OF PLANO ISN'T WORTH THE POWDER TO BLOW IT TO HELL. THIS GROUP HAS TO DECIDE WHETHER IT WANTS TO VIOLATE ITS OWN ORDINANCES AND OWN PRACTICES AND VOTE TO APPROVE THIS HELIPAD THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED OR SEND IT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARDS, AND I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU SEND IT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT SAKER IS ERIK FRIEND, FOLLOWED BY BARRY KNIGHT. >> THIS IS ABOUT NOISE. I'M SORRY, MY NAME IS ERIK FRIEND, I'M WITH ACUSTANINICA. THIS IS ABOUT NOISE LEVELS, THESE HELICOPTERS ARE REALLY NOISY, MAXIMALLY NOISY, YOU LOOK AT THIS CHART AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE AMBIENT NOISE LEVELS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE WAY DOWN HERE, LOW, HAPPY PLACE TO LIVE, HELICOPTERS ARE CLEAR UP HERE AT THE END, THE ROCK CONCERT LEVEL. AND THEY DON'T JUST COME AND GO QUICKLY. THE HELICOPTERS, WHEN THEY COME IN AND HAVE EVENTS, THEY LAST A LONG TIME. A CAR GOES BY, A TRUCK GOES BY, IT'S GONE. HELICOPTER FIVE TEN MINUTES, THEY'VE ■GOT TO COME&-E 10:30 (10:30) THERE'S CRITICAL NEED FOR TRAUMA AND BURN FACILITIES. WHY ISN'T THAT WHOLE BUILDING BEING UTILIZED FOR THAT PURPOSE? I WILL TELL YOU, IF YOU DO NOT APPROVE THIS AND SEND THEM BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, THEY WILL COM UP WITH A SOLUTION. THEY JUST WANT TO DO THE CHEAPEST ALTERNATIVE. THEY WANT TO DO IT ON THE BACKS OF THE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS THE CART BLUFF CONDOMINIUM RESIDENTS AS WELL AS THE OTHER RESIDENTS IN THE AREA. I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU WANT TO LIVE THAT CLOSE TO A HELI-PORT OR AN EIGHT-STORY BUILDING. I HAVE TO SAY IF THIS WAS A SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD INSTEAD OF CONDOMINIUMS AND APARTMENTS, I THINK THIS ATTITUDE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I WOULD URGE YOU TO THINK OF ALL OF THE CITIZENS OF PLANO AND TREAT THEM WITH THE RESPECT THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT AS RESIDENTS YOURSELF. >> MAYOR MUNS: THANK YOU. (APPLAUSE) WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCILMAN RICIRARDELLI. >> I WOULD REGISTER TO SPEAK AS WELL. I WAS REGISTERED FOR TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. >> MAYOR MUNS: GO AHEAD. > RICIARDELLI: OBVIOUSLY, HOSPITAL SERVICES PROVIDE A HUGE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR EVERYTHING THEY DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY. EVERYBODY AGREES THIS EXPANSION NEEDS TO HAPPEN. THE QUESTION IS JUST WHERE ON THE MEDICAL CITY PLANO CAMPUS IT HAPPENS. AS PROPOSED OR IN SOME OTHER CONFIGURATION. I'M LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT THINKING ABOUT THE GOLDEN RULE. ONE, IF WAS A NEIGHBOR LIVING NEXT TO THIS -- I WOULD LIKE TO AVOID CHOOSING BETWEEN THOSE TWO GREATER GOODS A SEEK A WIN-WIN. THINK THAT'S STILL A POSSIBILITY THOMAS PROVIDED YESTERDAY AND I CONVEYED IT TO THE HOSPITAL AFTER RECEIVING IT, AND ON AN ADMIRABLY QUICK TURNAROUND, PERKINS AND WILL GOT BACK TO US TODAY, BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WAS AT 5:05 P.M. AFTER WE WERE ALREADY IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. I THINK WE NEED MORE TIME TO EVALUATE THIS. I THINK THERE'S STILL A WIN-WIN THAT PROVIDES EXCELLENT PATIENT CARE AND TAKE CARE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF WE LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER AND NOTHING MATERIALIZES, WE LOSE NOTHING. APPROXIMATE IF WE DON'T LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER, WE COULD LOSE SOMETHING IF THERE'S A WIN-WIN OUT THERE THAT WE DON'T FULLY EXPLORE. TAKING ALL OF THAT INTO ACCOUNT, I MOVE TO TABLE THIS ITEM TO OUR NEXT MEETING, AND I THINK AND I WOULD HOPE THAT ALL OF THE SPEAKERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS WOULD BE RESPECTFUL OF THE FACT THAT WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THAT FEEDBACK. THE PURPOSE OF THE DISCUSSION AT THE NEXT MEETING WOULD SOLELY BE FOR US TO HAVE, AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, FURTHER TIME TO DELVE INTO THE ALTERNATIVE PROPOSAL, THE SPIT'S FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS ON THAT, AND I THINK THAT WE LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THE ARCHGATE MONTESSORI CASE, AND IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS NO WIN-WIN. TWO WORTHY INTERESTS. GREAT SCHOOL AND A NEIGHBORS THAT DON'T WANT AN IMPACT ON THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT SEEMED LIKE WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A HARD CHOICE. AFTER FURTHER EXPLORATION THERE WAS A WIN-WIN THAT WORKED FOR BOTH SIDES BECAUSE I BELIVE THERE'S STILL A CHANCE FOR THAT, I WOULD MOVE TO TABLE THIS ITEM TO OCTOBER 10th, AND EXPLORE THAT FURTHER. >> MAYOR MUNS: GO AHEAD. >> I AM FINE TO SECOND COUNCIL MEMBER RICCIARDELLI, AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. SIMS. PLEASE COME UP. >> THE CUSTOMER EMERGENCY FACILITY ON MORE THAN ONE OCCAS AND RESPECTFUL FACILITY, 35-PLUS YEARS. BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HEARD AND THE INFORMATION THAT THE THOMAS GROUP AND ALL PUT TOGETHER, HAVE YOU LOOKED -- HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AND SEE IF THERE IS ANY WAY TO COMPROMISE OR ANY VIABILITY? DO YOU HAVE ANY FLEXIBILITY IN THAT. I KNOW YOU WORK FOR A LARGE CORPORATION. YOU ARE UNDER CERTAI I GUESS, PERFORMANCE GOALS. ARE THERE THINGS THAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT -- IS THAT A POSSIBILITY, OR ARE WE JUST SPINNING WHEELS THINKING THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? >> THANK YOU. I THINK -- FIRST OF ALL, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT AND YOUR APPEAL FOR THE HOSPITAL. IT'S OUR PLEASURE TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS EVERY WAY AND SUNDAY JUST TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH YOU. IN FACT, WE RECEIVED THE DRAWINGS, I BELIEVE, AT 7:00 LAST NIGHT. I HAVE THOSE ARCHITECT HERE TO GIVE YOU FEEDBACK. WE LOOKED AT EVERY ITERATION. THIS IS THE ONLY OPTION AT PRESENT. >> SMITH: WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER SOME OTHER OPTIONS IF THAT'S AT ALL FEASIBLE, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE HOSPITAL OPERATION NEGATIVELY IN SOME FAS SHION. >> MY NAME IS KELLY WHITNEY. I'M A PRINCIPAL AT THE FIRM. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 20 YEARS. I ALSO HAVE BEEN ON THIS STATE HEALTH. I'VE WRITTEN THE CODES WITH THE STATE OF TEXAS FOR HEALTH CARE, SO I'VE BEEN DOING HEALTH CARE FOR A LONG TIME, AND I'VE BEEN DOING WORK AT THE CAMPUS FOR 22 YEARS. I DID RECEIVE MARK THOMAS'S DRAWINGS LAST NIGHT AT 7:00. HE DID AN EXPEDITIAL REVIEW OF THE AWIN, AS I SHOW HERE. ONE IS A PROPOSAL OF OUR CONSTRUCTION AROUND OUR BUILDING. >> I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT I CAN'T SEE THE DRAWINGS. >> MAYOR MUNS: JULIA, I DON'T THINK IT'S SHAREABLE ON THE OVERHEAD PART. >> THERE WAS SOMETHING EARLIER THAT I COULD SEE. >> MAYOR MUNS: WE'LL KEEP TRYING. >> I'LL KEEP TALKING AND GO FROM THERE. WE HAD A DISCUSSION BEFORE THE MEETING TODAY. WE MET AT 5:30, AND DISCUSSED THE PROPOSAL OF PUTTING A TOWER HERE. NEGATIVE IMPACT. YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE DOWN THE AMBULANCE ENTRANCE AND EVERYTHINGORHIS PROPOSAL. AS WELL AS YOU WOULD LOSE ONE TO TWO POSSIBLE HELIPAD LOCATIONS. WE WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY THAT WE WOULD LOSE THIS HELIPAD LOCATION AT THIS POINT. BECAUSE OF THE CRANE, THE CRANE IS A CRAWLER CRANE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T USE A TOWER CRANE AND BE EFFICIENT IN IT. YOU WOULD USE A CRAWLER PLANE LIKE WE DID IN THIS, AND SO IT WOULD BE A -- FOR THE HEIGHT OF THIS BUILDING, IT WOB A 300 FOOT CRAWLER CRANE AT THIS LOCATION. THE GOAL OF -- THERE WAS PROPOSALS THAT WE TALKED THROUGH ERE THEY PROPOSED ALTERNATE LOCATIONS FOR EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. THE TIME THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO CONSTRUCT A BUILDING LIKE THIS IS AROUND 26 MONTHS. I TALKED TO A CONTRACTOR TODAY. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS DISCUSSING. TAKING DOWN THE MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE AMBULANCE ENTRANCE. PLUS, ALSO IMPACTING HOW YOU GET PATIENTS IN A BUILDING FROM THE HELIPADS IS A MAIN CONCERN FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. AT A MIMUM, IT WOULD BE DOWN AT LEAST 20 MONTHS. MOST LIKELY PROBABLY AROUND 24 DEPENDING ON HOW FAST YOU CAN BUILD A FACADE ON THIS SIDE. THERE ARE OTHER CONCERNS. FIRE ACCESS TO THE BUILDING BECAUSE YOU ARE HAVING TO EXCAVATE ALL THIS BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE A CRAWLER CRANE GOING HERE, WE HAVE A ONE-STORY BELOW GRADE PARKING GARAGE THAT WE WILL HAVE TO EXCAVATE AND IN-FILL AND DO ALL OF THAT SO YOU CAN GET A CRANE AT LEAST OF THIS SIZE TO THE BUILDING. THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS THE IMPACT TO THE ED. WE'VE LOOKED AT OPTIONS AT THIS LOCATION. >> MAYOR MUNS: SO IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, ANYTHING INVOLVING THE SUGGESTION COMPROMISES FOR THE RESIDENTS, WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT EMERGENCY SERVICES. IS THAT YOUR STATEMENT? >> THAT'S MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION YES. >> SMITH: LET'S FACE IT, WHAT IS THE LEVEL ONE TRAUMA CENTER FOR? TO PROVIDE ERGEN SERVICES. I WASN'T SURE ABOUT THAT. I'M NOT AN EXPERT. YOU KNOW YOU ARE. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION. IT'S A FINE LINE. WE HEAR THE RESIDENTS, AND WE UNDERSTAND. I LIVE IN THE FLIGHT PATH OF THE HELICOPTERS, BUT LIKE THE GENTLEMAN SAID EARLIER, EVERY TIME I HEAR THAT, I THANK GOD FOR THAT NOISE BECAUSE THAT MEANS SOMEBODY'S LIFE IS POTENTIALLY BEING CIAED. IN YOUR OPINION IF IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE EMERGENCY SERVICES AND THE LEVEL OF THE TRAUMA CENE QUESTION. THANK YOU. I WILL WITHDRAW MY SECOND. >> MAYOR MUNS: IF YOU WANT TO DO BUSINESS WITH THEM, THEY'RE MAKING THE PROPOSAL. OKAY? IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE DEAL WITH MEDICAL TY, THAS GRT, BUT WE'RE NOT HERE TO WEIGH SOMEBODY'S PROPOSAL WITH ANOTHER. THE APPLICANT IS MEDICAL CITY. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? >> I UNDERSTAND -- (OFF MICROPHONE). >> MAYOR MUNS: THEN TAKE IT TO MEDICAL CITY AND WORK THROUGH IT. TO COME HERE AT THE 11th HOUR AND MAKE IT SOUND LIKE YOU'RE MAKING THE APPLICATION, THAT'S NOT TRUE. >> (OFF MICROPHONE) >> MAYOR MUNS: AT'S WHAT WE IS WE LISTEN TO THE APPLICANT, AND WE MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL. OKAY? PLEASE SIT DOWN. THANK YOU. >> (OFF MICROPHONE) >> MAYOR MUNS: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. >> WILLIAMS: I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THIS. I WANT TO SAY OUT OF ALL WE'VE HEARD -- BY THE WAY, I WENT BACK AND REVIEWED THE VIDEO OF THE P & Z MEETING AND THE P & Z MEETING FROM 2018. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SUGGEST THAT MEDICAL CITY DOESN'T NEED THE ADDITIONAL SPACE. I'VE HEARD ALMOST EVERYBODY WHO SPOKE AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL ECHO THAT IDEA. YES. MEDICAL CITY NEEDS MORE SPACE. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE MORE BEDS, MORE FACILITIES, BUT I HEARD IN THE PEOPLE SUPPORTING THIS PROPOSAL WHAT SOUNDED LIKE A FALSE DICHOTOMY. EITHER THIS SPECIFIC PLAN HAS TO BE BUILT OR MEDICAL CITY GETS NO ADDITIONAL SPACE. IT WASN'T PHRASED THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S THE FEELING I GOT WITH SPEAKER AFTER SPEAKER. NOW, WE'VE GONE ALL THROUGH ENOUGH ZONING CASES, ESPECIALLY YOU, MAYOR, HAVING SERVED ON SO LONG IN PLANNING AND ZONING, THAT WHEN ONE APPROACH FAILS, YEAH, ANOTHER APPROACH OFTEN DOES WORK WHEN PUT TO IT. NOW, I JUST HEARD MR. SIMS, YOU SAY THAT YOU'VE LOOKED AT EVERY WHICH WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THESE NEEDS, BUT IF I'M -- UNLESS I'M RECENT PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING, WHEN IT WAS ASKED IF ANY ALTERNATIVES WERE EXPLORED OTHER THAN MR. THOMAS'S, THE ANSWER WAS NO. NOW, MAYBE I'M CONFLATING THAT WITH SOMETHING ELSE, BUT GOING BACK TO 2018, WE KNEW THERE WAS OPPOSITION TO EIGHT STORIES AT THE TIME. STAFF PRESENTED THAT AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING BACK THEN. THEN, IT WAS THE REQUEST TO BUILD UP TO EIGHT STORIES WAS WITHDRAWN AFTER RESIDENT COMPLAINTS. AS SOMEBODY MENTIONED EARLIER, THE DESIRE TO BUILD EIGHT STORIES WAS ALREADY THERE, SO I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT ALL OF THIS. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HASH THIS OUT TONIGHT IF WE'RE, INDEED, GOING TO TABLE IT. IF THE MOTION TO TABLE FAILS, THEN I HAVE NUMEROUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REPORT WE RECEIVED FROM PERKINS AND WILL WITH WHAT LOOS LIKE A REBUTTAL. I WOULD LIKE TO QUESTION THE ASSUMPTIONS ERE. I DO FEEL THAT IT SHOULD BE POSSIBLE TO ARRIVE AT SOME ALTERNATIVE PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS OF EVERYBODY. AGAIN, HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SUGGEST THAT MEDICAL CITY DOES NOT NEED MORE SPACE. JUST HOW IT'S GONE ABOUT. >> MAYOR MUNS: I DO HAVE THE MOTION TO TABLE AND A SECOND. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING -- JULIE, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> I'M SORRY. I'M HEARING AN ECHO. HOW WOULD IT AFFECT THE PROJECT IF WE TABLED UNTIL NEXT MONTH? >> MAYOR MUNS: DID YOU HEAR THAT? JUST ESTIMATE IT. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU DON'T HAVE -- WHAT'S YOUR TIMELINE? >> I THINK IT DEPENDS. I MEAN, WE'VE ALREADY -- KELLY HAS ALREADY SAT DOWN WITH THE OPPOSITION'S ARCHITECT TO DISCUSS THE PLANS. WE WOULD VET THOSE FURTHER, BUT I WAS XWRES INCREDIBLY IMPRESSED WITH THE LEVEL OF ANALYSIS AND THOROUGH THOUGHT THAT THE PERKINS & WILL TEAM DID AND THEIR ESTIMATION OF WHETHER THIS OTHER PLAN IS FEASIBLE. THERE IS NOT ANOTHER WAY TO ORIENT ANOTHER OPTION THAT WOULD GET ANYTHING ANY CLOSER TO OUR ED AND OUR O.R. THAT'S KIND OF THE ONLY OTHER OPTION THAT WE WOULD NEED TO VET. WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT IT WAS FULLY VET FROM PERKINS & WILL'S STANDPOINT. >> MAYOR MUNS: OKAY. >> JULIE: THANK YOU. >> MAYOR MUNS: THANK YOU. GOHEAD >> TU: IN OTHER WORDS, F WE WERE TO CAN YOU TO REVET OR TO RECONSIDER OR TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS, REALLY ULTIMATELY WHAT YOU AND THE EXPERTS ARE TELLING ME AND TELLING US IS THAT YOU'VE PRETTY MUCH ALREADY EXPLORED EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN, AND AT THIS POINT THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? >> CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT. >> THE ANSWER TO THAT IS A RESOUNDING YES TO IMPACT OUR EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW WITH 27 PATIENTS HOLDING AT PRESENIN O ER, IT'S SOMETHING UNTENABLE FROM NOT ONLY A HOSPITAL STANDPOINT, BUT FROM THE CARE OF THE COMMUNITY. >> TU: RIGHT. WHAT I HEARD FROM YOU IS WHAT HAPPENED BACK IN 20 16, THE POPULATION OF PLANO VERSUS THE POPULATION IT IS HERE IN PLANO AT THIS TIME IN 2022. IT'S QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT. >> THE SLIDE I PUT UP WAS CONTRASTING 1975 TO PRESENT DATE. HOWEVER, FROM 2018 WE EXPERIENCED COVID-19 AND PLACING AN INCREASED BURDEN, ABSOLUTELY, WITHOUT -- >> TU: IT'S NOT A POPULATION. IT'S RATHER THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE OF CIRCUMSTANCES IN OUR MEDICAL NEEDS. >> WELL, THAT AND ALSO THE DEEPENING OF OUR LEVEL ONE TRAUMA AND BURN CENTER, OUR ABILITY TO TREAT PATIENTS WITH MORE ILLNESS AS WELL. >> TU: THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. >> YES, MA'AM. >> RICCIARDELLI: I WANTED TO SAY IN SUPPORT MORE OF THE MOTION TO TABLE. ADRABLE.THAT THE TURNAROUND IS I'M LAWR MYSELF. WHEN YOU HAVE TO TURN AROUND SOMETHING ALMOST IMMEDIATELY, THAT'S A TALL TASK. GETTING IT HERE WHEN IT GOT HERE WAS AN INCREDIBLE ACCOMPLISHMENT. OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, IN FAIRNESS, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF WE HAD GOTTEN THIS PROPOSAL BEFORE YESTERDAY. IDEALLY, WEEKS AGO. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE INFORMATION THAT CAME IN FROM PERKINS & WILL CAME IN AFTER WE HAD ALREADY STARTED EXECUTIVE SESSION. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME PERSONALLY TO HAVE ADDITIONAL TIME TO REVIEWEW INFORMATION. I THINK THAT WOULD HELP OUR ANALYSIS AND ALSO I UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN'T CALL MR. THOMAS BACK UP HERE TO SPEAK, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR HIS THOUGHTS ON THE MEETING AT 5:30 AND A TABLING WOULD ENABLE THAT. >> MAYOR MUNS: COUNCILMAN -- >> GRADY: EVERYBODY IS WEIGHING IN, AND I'M LISTENING TO ALL THE CROSSFIRE. I LOOK AT THE PICTURES, ALL THE RENDERINGS. THE VERY FIRST REACTION I HAD WITH THE ALTERNATE PROPOSAL WAS THIS:THE ROAD THAT RUNS NORTH-SOUTH AND EAST-WEST THAT RUNS RIGHT UP TO THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT IS COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN FOR 24 MONTHS. YOU HAVE TO BRIDGE OVER THE TOP OF THE ROAD IF YOU WANT THE ROAD TO CONTINUE TO EXIST AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, AND SO YOU HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT BUILDING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO STRETCH A BUILDING OVER THE TOP OF AN INACTIVE ROAD SPACE. YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE AN ENTIRE HELICOPTER PAD, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO CUT DOWN FROM THREE TO TWO. ONE-THIRD OF YOUR RESPONSE CAPABILITY GOES AWAY. ETHER TWO ARE PROBABLY IN DOUBT ANYWAY BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOT CRANES AND A BUILDING BEING BUILT RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM, AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO BRING THOSE HELICOPTERS IN AS IT IS ANYWAY. I DON'T SEE THAT THE ALTERNATIVE OF BUILDING AND STRETCHING FROM THE WOMEN'S BUILDING OVER TO THE ER DEPARTMENT AS A VIABLE OPPORTUNITY AND DELAYING THIS ANOTHER TWO WEEKS IS NOT GOING TO GET YOU A VIABLE OPPORTUNITY. TO ME ALL THAT IT'S DOING IS SIMPLY WASTI ANOTHER TWO WEEKS. >> MAYOR MUNS: I AGREE. I APPRECIATE THE OFFER TO TABLE, BUT I THINK THE GROWTH OF ALL OF OUR HEALTH CARE FACILITIES HAS BEEN OBVIOUS FROM CHILDREN'S, TO BAYLOR, TO PRESBY TO MEDICAL CITY. THAT GROWTH HAS BEEN ENORMOUS IN THE LAST 15, 20 YEARS. YES, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN THAT GROWTH IMPEDES, AS WE'VE HEARD, BUT THE GREATER GOOD TO HAVE A TRAUMA ONE HOSPITAL IN OUR CITY WHERE PEOPLE FROM NEW MEXICO, OKLAHOMA, ARKANSAS, LOUISIANA FLY TO PLANO TO SURVIVE IS THE GREATER GOOD. WE DO HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE, SO LET'S VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR, VOTE YES. THOSE IN DENIAL, VOTE NO. JUE, HOW DO YOU VOTE? >> JULIE: NO. >> MAYOR MUNS: OKAY. MOTION FAILS 4-2. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS? >> SHELBY: YES, AND I MIGHT OUTDO ANTHONY FOR LENGTH. >> MAYOR MUNS: DON'T MAKE THOSE PROMISES. >> SHELBY: THE FIRST QUESTION I WANT TO ASK IS DID I REMEMBER CORRECTLY FROM WATCHING THE VIDEO OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING WHEN I BELIEVE ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS ASKED, HAVE YOU ENE EXPLORED ALTERNATE PLANS? I BELIEVE THE ANSWER WAS NO. CAN ANYBODY AFFIRM OR CORRECT M ME? >> PRINCE: I DON'T RECALL THE ANSWER BEING NO. I DO KNOW WE SAID IF WE WERE CONSIDERING A DIFFERENT PATIENT POPULATION, WE WOUD BE LOOKING AT OTHER SPACES FOR THIS TO GO. FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WERE AT CAPACITY FOR WOMEN'S SERVICES, WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO EBBING CUTE ON THE WOMEN'S SERVICES PLAN. BILL, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER FEEDBACK OR THOUGHTS ON THAT? I DON'T RECALL US SAYING WE HAVEN'T VETTED OTHER OPTIONS. EVEN BEFORE WEECEIVE THIS ONE MOST RECENT ALTERNATIVE PLAN, WE HAD ALREADY VETTED THE WOMEN'S TOWER ITSELF AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR THIS PURPOSE. STAFF HAS ASKED ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS IF THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES. WE'VE GONE THROUGH SPECIFICALLY WHAT ABOUT THIS BUILDING, WHAT ABOUT THIS BUILDING? WE'VE ACTUALLY KIND OF STEPPED THROUGH THE SITE ASKING THEM SPECIFICALLY FOR ALTERNATIVES. WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE ANSWERED OUR QUESTIONS ON THIS REPEA REPEATEDLY. >> SHELBY: I'VE BEEN THROUGH THE MEDICAL CITY -- I'M LESS FAMILIAR WITH THE OTHER AREAS. THE TIE GDIAGRAM OF THE FOUR-STORY BUILDING IN QUESTION IS CURRENTLY LABELED EDUCATION. WHAT'S THE PLAN? WHAT ACTUALLY IS THAT BUILDING FOR, ALL FOUR STORIES, AND WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR THE ADDITIONAL FOUR STORIES THERE? >> THE IMAGE THAT YOU MAY HAVE MAY BE FIRST FLOOR RENDERING, AND THERE'S AN ENTRANCE. THERE'S KIND OF A WAITING AREA. THERE'S, I BELIEVE, THREE MAIN CLASSROOMS, AND THEN A WALK-WAY. THEN THERE'S A SECTION THAT IS RIGHT ADJACENT TO THOSE CLASSROOMS THAT SERVES AS OUR SURGERY WAITING ROOM WHERE ANY ELECTIVE OR EVEN EMERGENT PATIENT FAMILIES CAN COME AND SIT AND WAIT FOR THEIR FAMILY MEMBER. THAT'S KIND OF GOING NORTH TO SOUTH. WE EVALUATED AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSIONS COULD WE ADD BEDS ON THAT FLOOR? AND THE OTHER HALF OF THAT BUILDING THAT'S NOT VISIBLE TO THE HUMAN EYE IS OUR MECHANICAL AREA. SO, ALL OF THE KIND OF BACK OF HOUSE, MECHANICAL SECTION IS IN THAT FLOOR AS WELL. THAT'S WHAT RESIDE ON THAT FLOOR. THE OTHER THREE FLOORS ON TOP ARE ALL PATIENT, IN-PATIENT FLOORS. >> SHELBY: I THINK THE BURN UNIT IS ON ONE OF THOSE FLOORS? >> CORRECT. THE BURN UNIT AND THE TRAUMA UNIT ARE ON THE SAME FLOOR, SO THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR RESOURCES ON A DAILY BASIS BASED ON THEIR CENSUS. >> SHELBY: WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC PLANS FOR THE PROPOSED ADDITIONAL FOUR FLOORS, AND WOULD ANYTHING CHANGE ABOUT THE CURRENT FOUR FLOORS? >> THE CURRENT FOUR FLOORS -- SO WE HAVE ONE FLOOR THAT'S PRIMARILY ONCOLOGY. WE HAVE ANOTHER FLOOR THAT'S A MIX. THOSE PATIENTS ARE -- WE HAVE A LOT OF OVERFLOW THAT HAPPENS AS WELL JUST GIVEN OUR CAPACITY IN THE HOSPITAL, AND THEN WE HAVE THE BURN TRAUMA FLOOR THAT'S SHARED. WE WOULD BE BREAKING OUT OUR BURN AND TRAUMA UNITS SEPARATELY. WE WOULD ALSO BE ADDING ADDITIONAL CAPACITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE PATIENTS STEP DOWN APPROPRIATELY OR HAVE ADDITIONAL ICU. WE KNOW THAT THIS EXPANSION IS THE ONLY EXPANSION WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO FOR BURN TRAUMA IN THIS TOWER. I MEAN, BECAUSE IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO BE CO-LOCATED TO TH O.R. AND E.R .. BEING ABLE TO BUILD THAT CAPACITY WHETHER IT'S A STEP-DOWN UNIT, PATIENTS, OR ICU PATIENTS IS KIND OF THE PLAN IN THAT SPACE. >> SHELBY: WHERE IS THE OR WITH RESPECT TO THE ER? BY THIS, UNLESS I'M READING IT WRONG, SURGERY IS TO THE SOUTH OF THE ER, WHICH IS WAY TO THE SOUTH OF THE BUILDING MARKED EDUCATION WHERE THE BURN AND TRAUMA UNITS ARE. >> THEY ARE CONNECTED. DO YOU WANT TO PULL UP THAT? >> EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT IS HERE. THIS IS PREP AND PACK U FOR SURGERY, AND THEN SURGERY IS ALL YELLOW. >> SHELBY: OKAY. SO EXPANDING -- INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF THIS BUILDING, THE ONE MARKED EDUCATION WHERE THE BURN AND TRAUMA UNITS ARE, HOW IS THAT GOING TO PROVIDE GREATER PROXIMITY TO THE OR? THAT'S AT LEAST WT I THINK YOU GIST SAID. WE WOULD EXPAND THOSE UNITS IN TERMS OF QUANTITY OF BEDS. FOR EXAMPLE, WE ONLY HAVE 14 BURN BEDS IN THE HOSPITAL. WHEN WE OVERFLOW, WE OVERFLOW ANYWHERE IN THE HOSPITAL THAT WE HAVE A BED AVAILABLE, WHICH IS NOT OPTIMAL FOR PATIENT CARE BECAUSE THE OPTIMAL DESIGN FOR A BURN UNIT IS TO INSURE THAT IT IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN, THAT YOU ARE LIMITING ACCESS TO THAT UNIT AND THAT ANY TRANSPORT YOU ARE MAKING IS LIMITING ANY MOVEMENT THROUGH ANY OTHER UNITS OR THROUGH PUBLIC CORRIDORS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. CURRENTLY WHERE THOSE BEDS SIT, WE TAKE THEM DOWN A DESIGNATED ELEVATOR OVER HERE THAT CONNECTS VIA A HALLWAY, AND WE CAN EASILY GET TO THE OPERATING ROOM KIND OF THROUGH THIS BACKWAY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> SHELBY: ALL RIGHT. WHERE ACTUALLY IS THE BACKLOG OR IN MULTIPLE PLACES? IF YOU HAVE, I THINK, IT WAS 27 PATIENTS IN THE ER WITHOUT BEDS, WHERE IS THE BACKLOG? WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR TO CLEAR BEFORE THEY CAN MOVE? IS IT THE OR? IS IT -- WHERE IS IT? >> DO YOU JUST MEAN KIND OF WHAT SERVICES ARE BEING WAITED ON? >> SHELBY: WHAT I'MHINKING ABOUT IS I JUSTAW THIS IN THE P & Z MEETING AS WELL. IF THE PROBLEM ISN'T THE ER ITSELF, IT'S NOWHERE TO PUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WAITING IN THE ER. HOW IS THAT CAPACITY -- THE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY GOING TO ALLEVIATE THE FLOW THROUGH THE ER? >> DO YOU WANT TO -- >> WHAT EXACTLY WILL HAPPEN IS THOSE PATIENTS WILL CREATE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY. AS SHE MENTIONED, WE'LL BE AT THE ICU LEVEL. THE FOURTH FLOOR BECOMES A CARE UNIT. AS YOU STEP DOWN OIFT ICU AND GO TO PCU, THEN IT WILL FREE UP AN ICU BED, AND THEN THE PATIENTS FROM THE ER CAN GO TO TT BED. IT CREATES CAPACITY ON THE IN-PATIENT SIDE THAT GETS THE PATIENTS UP. RIGHT NOW THE 27 PATIENTS HOLD. NINE OF THEM WERE ICU LEVEL. THOSE ARE PATIENTS THAT ARE GOING UP TO ONE OF THE BEDZ E BEDS THAT WERE NEW TO CONSTRUCT. >> IF I MIGHT EXPAND ON THAT. I'M BRANDON, THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT MEDICAL DIRECTOR. HE IS EXACTLY RIGHT, BUT IT ACTUALLY GOES EVEN FURTHER THAN THAT. WHILE WE'RE EXPANDING ICU AND PCU BEDS, WHEN I HAVE 28 ADMISSION HOLDS IN THE ED, THEY RANGE FROM MED SERB TO PCU TO ICU WHERE, MY ICU AND PCU ARE FLOWING OVER TO MY MED SERVE BEDS. BY HAVING ADDITIONAL BEDS IN THAT TOWER, I MOVE THEM TO THE BEDS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GO TO. I HAVE MORE CAPACITY TO GET TO MY ED. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUIDES UNDERSTAND WHAT AN ADMISSION HOLD IS, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT EARLIER. THAT IS NOT AN ER PATIENT WAITING TO BE SEEN BY ME. THAT'S A PATIENT THAT HAS BEEN SEEN BY ME AND IS WORKED UP AND NEEDS TO BE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL. THOSE PATIENTS ARE WAITING ON HOSPITAL BEDS. I'M STILL SEEING ALL THE OTHER ER PATIENTS. SOMETIMES IN THE WAITING ROOM, SOMETIMES IN THE HALLWAYS BECAUSE I CAN'T MOVE THOSE OUT OF MY ED. THE ADDITIONAL SPACE PUTS THESE ADMITTED PATIENTS WHERE THEY BELONG. >> SHELBY: OKAY. THANK YOU. I ALSO -- I DID HAVE -- I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO STUDY THIS EITHER, BUT I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THINGS I SAW IN THE PACKET WE WERE HANDED JUST WHEN THE MEETING STARTED FROM PERKINS & WILL. IN THE CONSTRUCTABILITY STUDY, COMPARING THE TWO PROPOSED OPTIONS, FIRST, I THINK IT'S WORTH NOTING SINCE COUNCIL MEMBER GRADY MENTIONED THIS, IT WOULD -- THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD REQUIRE SHUTTING DOWN THE FIRST HELIPAD. SO WOULD THE PROPOSED PLAN. IF YOU COMPARE THE CONSTRUCTABILITY FOR BOTH ONE AND TWO, IT INVOLVES GETTING RID OF THE CURRENT HELIPAD, THE SOUTHERN MOST HELIPAD. AND THAT'S -- THAT LEADS TO MY OTHER QUESTION, WHICH IS EVEN ASSUMING THE SCHEDULE IS TRULY TWICE THAT JUST TO BUILD THAT ELEVATION, TWICE THAT OF ADDING A FULL ADDITIONAL FOUR FLOORS ON THE PRIMARY BUILDING, SAYS WHAT NECESSITATES ACTUALLY SHUTTING DOWN THE FIRE LANE FOR ANY REAL LENGTH OF TIME. I'M NOT GOING TO PRETEND TO ENGINEER THIS, ESPECIALLY ON THE FLY, BUT JUST THINKING ABOUT THE RENOVATION OF COLLIN CREEK MALL, THERE WAS A VERY UNUSUAL SITUATION WHERE THE JC PENNEY THERE HAD TO REMAIN WHILE THE REST OF THE BUILDING WAS DEMOED AND RENOVATED, AND AN ALTERNATIVE LOCATION WAS BUILT, AND THEN THEY COULD GO FINISH OUT THE JC PENNEY. MY PNT IS THA POSSIBLE TO BUILD THINGS IN STAGES SO AS TO MAINTAIN ACCESS. WHAT ACTUALLY NECESSITATES SHUTTING DOWN THE ENTIRE FIRE LANE AND ACCESS TO THE ER FOR THAT LENGTH OF TIME OR ANY REAL LENGTH OF TIME, IF IT'S NOT STAGED WITH THE APPROPRIATE EQUIPMENT? >> LET ME ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. WOMEN'S TOWER IS NOT ON THE -- YOU KNOW, THE PLAN THAT IS PUT FORTH IS A 15-YEAR MASTER PLAN. WOMEN'S TOWER IS NOT REALLY BEING PROPOSED TO BE BUILT UNTIL THE HELIPADS ARE REMOVED FROM THE GROUND ON TO THE PROPOSED EIGHT-STORY TOWER. KNOW WITH THIS CONSTRUCTION OF THE WOMEN'S TOWER, NO HELIPADS WOULD BE IMPEDED BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY ON TOP OF AN EXISTING TOWER. I WANTED TO CORRECT SOMETHING I THOUGHT YOU SAID. AS FAR AS THE BUILDING LOCATION, THIS IS A BUILDING LOCATION IN PLAN. THERE'S STILL MORE ROOM TO THE EAST THAT WE CAN MOVE T TOWER SO THAT IF IT WAS GOING TO IMPEDE, THAT'S THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS TO IMPEDE THE DRIVE FOR THE AMBULANCE ENTRANCE AT THIS LOCATION. >> CAN YOU MOVE IT UP? >> I'M SORRY. >> SHELBY: OKAY. ACCEPTING THAT THE HELIPAD WOULDN'T NEED TO BE TAKEN OUT OF COMMISSION RIGHT NOW, I'M STILL NOT CLEAR ON THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION OF WHY DOES OPTION TWO NECESSITATE SHUTTING DOWN THE FIRE LANES AND ACCESS TO THE ER? >> BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BUILD THE BUILDING, THE FOUNDATIONS, AND EVERYTHING. YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE -- FROM WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION LINE IS, YOU HAVE TO TAKE UP ALL THE PAVING AROUND THE AREA. YOU HAVE TO BUILD THE FOUNDATIONS. YOU HAVE TO EXCAVATE AND BUILD ALL THE UNDERGROUND PLUMBING, EVERYTHING THAT'S UNDER THERE. THAT'S WHY THAT IS COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN. >> SHELBY: DOES THAT ALL HAVE TO BE DONE AT ONCE? THAT'S WHY I DREW THE ILLUSION OF PHASING IN CONSTRUCTION, AND EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, I DON'T WORKN CONSTRUCTION, I'VEEEN COUNTLESS CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT ARE PHASED SO SO AS TO NOT COMPLETELY INTERRUPT OR BLOCK OFF ADJACENT PROPERTIES. >> YOU HAVE THIS LOCATION RIGHT HERE WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE EXISTING EMERGENCY AMBULANCE ENTRANCE, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD PHASE THAT TO GET AMBULANCES IN AND OUT. >> SHELBY: THIS IS A VERY UNUSUAL SITUATION WHERE THERE'S A COUNTER PROPOSAL, BUT -- AND ALOUGHR. THOM INOT AN APPLICANT, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE WE HAVE HIS MATERIALS IN FRONT OF US. >> IF YOU DON'T MIND, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION, THERE'S BEEN AN AWFUL LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT HELICOPTERS. WE'VE NOT DISCUSSED EMS AND AMBULANCES. WE GET ABOUT -- >> SHELBY: I KNOW, BUT I'M ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT MR. THOMAS'S MATERIALS. >> RICCIARDELLI: IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ALSO ASK MR. THOMAS QUESTIONS. >> SHELBY: I'M DRAWING FROM PRECEDENT. I'M DRAWING FROM PRECEDENT. I'VE SEEN IN PRIOR MEETINGS. ASKING QUESTIONS OF OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES. >> WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT HELICOPTERS. WE'VE NOT TALKED ABOUT AMBULANCES. THE CITY OF PLANO AMBULANCES IN PARTICULAR. WE SEE ABOUT 50 AMBULANCES A PD. YOU SHUT DOWN ANY OF THAT, THAT REALLY LIMITS THE ACCESS OF THE CITIZENS OF PLANO TO COME BY EMS TO GET TO MY HOSPITAL. ANY TIME OF THE DAY, ANY PHASING IN THEY CAN'T GET TO THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT I'M NOT SURE HOW TO DELIVER CARE TO THE PATIENTS. I MEAN PHASING IT OUT TO THE SUBSTANCE TO THE ER AND THE FIRE LANES ARE ACCESSIBLE AT ALL TIMES EVEN IF IT MAKES THE OVERALL CONSTRUCTION LONGER OR COST MORE. >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE TO NOT EVER SHUT DOWN THE ENTRANCE TO THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT WITH THAT PROPOSAL. >> OR EVEN THE FIRE LANES. >> I CAN'T HAVE A DAY WHERE I DON'T HAVE EMS ACCESS TO THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. >> I KNOW YOU MAY HEAR THAT IT WAS EVALUATED BY THE OPPOSITION UTILIZING AN ENTRANCE THAT IS LOCATED ON THE BACK SIDE OF OUR FACILITY BECAUSE WE LEARNED THAT ANWASOOKING AROUND FOR L TODAY ALTERNATIVES ON SITE. I WILL SAY THE PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE OF WHERE WE COULD EVEN USE AS A TEMPORARY AMBULANCE BAY WOULD NOT BE IDEAL. YOU COULD MAYBE AT BEST FIT ONE AMBULANCE IN THAT SPACE AT ONE TIME, AND I SPENT THREE HOURS IN OUR EMERGENCY ROOM LAST NIGHT, OR YESTERDAY AFTERNOON. WE HAD UPWARDS OF FOUR AMBULANCES SHOWING UP AT ONCE. BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE NOT ONE, NOT TWO, NOT THREE, BUT FOUR, LITERALLY FOUR AMBULANCES, AT ONE TIME UNDER OUR AWNING IS AN EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE EVERY SINGLE DAY, AND SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE NO MATTER WHAT PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION WE'RE IN. WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THIS KIND OF THE PHASING OF CONSTRUCTION AS PART OF OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL AND OUR PRESENTATION TO YOU. THAT IS A CONSIDERATION WE NEED TO MAKE WITH THIS AS WELL. WHAT IMPACT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ON THE CURRENT CARE AND OPERATIONS OF THE PATIENTS THAT WE'RE SERVING IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS CONSTRUCTION PROJECT? THE EXPENSE IS NOT THE CONCERN. IT'S THE ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE TIMELY CARE ON AN ONGOING BASIS EVEN WHILE WE ARE GROWING TO MEET THAT ULTIMATE NEED IN THE COMMUNITY. >> SHELBY: I THINK I'M OUT OF QUESTIONS. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> RICCIARDELLI: THERE'S BEEN NEW INFORMATION JUST TODAY, AND SINCE WE'RE NOT TABLING, SO THANK YOU. >> MAYOR MUNS: I'LL SECOND. >> RICCIARDELLI: THANK YOU FOR THE INCREDIBLY QUICK TURNAROUND. T WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER IF WE HAD GOTTEN THE NEW ALTERNATIVE BEFORE YESTERDAY. I APPRECIATE YOUR AND YOUR TEAM'S HARD WORK A QUI TURNAROUND. YOU KNOW, THAT BEING SAID, I'M STILL GETTING UP TO SPEED ON THE NEW MATERIAL AND OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL HAVE TO VOTE TONIGHT. JUST -- YOU GUYS ALREADY KNOW THIS BUT JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, I'VE SPENT HOURS ON THE ZONING CASES. I'M SURE WE ALL HAVE, INCLUDING MEETING WITH BOTH SIDES AND GOING TO MEDICAL CITY, PLANO TO WALK AND DRIVE THE SITE. I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE I WAS ON THE COUNCIL AS A FEW OF US, SEVERAL OF US, AND THE MAYOR OBVIOUSLY WAS ON P & Z DURI THE2018 ZONING CASE. MY RECOLLECTION AT THE TIME WAS THAT ESSENTIALLY THERE WAS A COMPROMISE DIDN'T MEET THE SETBACKS, AND IT WAS APPROPRIATELY AN OVERRIDING SITUATION, AND I VOTED IN FAVOR OF THAT. IT IS A BIT SURPRISING TO BE BACK HERE JUST FOUR YEARS LATER FOR DIFFERENT ZONING AND THE DISCUSSION. I'VE WATCHED THE P & Z VIDEO AND THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN, WELL, THERE WERE NO ASSURANS ME IN 2 2018. WE DISCUSSED DURING OUR MEETING THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT SI LINE THAT SAYS THIS BUILDING WILL BE MAXIMUM EIGHT STORIES. OTHER BUILDINGS OUTSIDE OF THAT LINE BY OUTSID I MEAN TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORS FROM THAT LINE WILL BE MAXIMUM TWO STORIES I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IF WE APPROVE TH TONIGHT, WE'RE LOOKING AT NO MORE REQUEST FOR CHANGES EVER. THAT RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT SI LINE IS A PROMISE TO THE COMMUNITY IN PER PET OUT? >> IT CAME AT THE SUGGESTION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF. WE WERE TREEING TO REALLY SHOW THAT THIS TOWER IS THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE OF THE PATIENT POPULATION WE'RE SERBING, BECAUSE OF THE NEEDS THAT WE'RE NEEGT E NEEDING TO MEET, AND THAT IS OUR COMMITMENT. WE'RE WILLING TO SACRIFICE. WE SACRIFICED THREE BUILDINGS. WE ALSO SACRIFICED ADDING ANOTHERATIENT TER TT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT BUFFER LINE. WE COMPLETELY NEXTED THOSE FROM OUR PLANS. THIS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THIS, AND WE'RE WILLING TO SACRIFICE IN THE FUTURE. >> I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THEN, A QUESTION FOR DR. VAN POP EL. I JUST WANTED UNDERSTAND BETTER IT MEANS A PATIENT THAT IS ALREADY WAITING TO BE ADMITTED TO A HOSPITAL BED. THEY WOULD OB THEIR WAY TO A BED WHERE THEY WOULD BE STAYING FOR HOWEVER LONG THEY'RE THERE. >> THAT DEPENDS. I WILL USE MYSELF AS A CASE EXAMPLE. I WAS A CONSUMER OF HEALTH CARE TWO WEEKS AGO WITH A KIDNEY STONE. I WAS AN ADMISSION HOLD IN THE ED, AND I WAS WAITING TO GO TO THE OR TO HAVE MY KIDNEY STONE REMOVED. THEN I WENT TO MY ADMITTED BED AFTER THE OR. IT CAN BE ANY SORT OF PATIENT THAT IS WAITING. AN APPENDICITIS OR OR. ANYBODY THAT NEEDS THAT NEXT LEVEL OF KIR, IT'S NOT READY IS A HOLD. >> A STABILIZED PATIENT WAITING FOR A BED IS OBVIOUSLY NOT A GOOD SITUATION FOR ANY LENGTH OF TIME, AND THAT COMES INTO THIS DISCUSSION OF 12 TO 14 MONTHS VERSUS 26 MONTHS, BUT AN EVEN PATIENT WAITING TO GET GET INTO THE OR. IS THERE A CAPACITY PROBLEM WITH RESPECT TO ORs? >> THE OR TYPICALLY, NO. WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YOU LEAVE THE OR IS IF I DON'T HAVE A BED FOR YOU IN THE OR, NOW YOU'RE IN PACK-U HOLD. YOU'RE IN POSTSURGICAL CARE HOLD. THEY'RE WAITING IN THE RECOVERY ROOM. THAT -- IT'S A DIFFERENT LOCATION, BUT IT'S THE SAME PROBLEM. >> OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S A BAD SITUATION. NOT TO MINIMIZE THAT AT ALL. I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ARE WE TALKING SITUATIONS OF LIFE AND DEATH OR SITUATIONS OF STILL VERY SIGNIFINT NOT THE OUTCOME WE'RE LOOKING FOR, BUT NOT LIFE AND DEATH. I THINK THAT WAS ILLUMINATING. THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. A QUESTION FOR MS. WHITNEY REGARDING WHENEVER WHETHER IT'S NEXT YEAR, 15 YEARS FROM NOW, THE CONSTRUCTION AT THE WOMEN'S TOWER. THE DRIVE WILL NOT BE IMPEDED WHEN THE WOMEN'S TOWER IS BUILT, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT WOULD BE OUR GOAL TO NOT IMPEDE THE DRIVE. ANY SERVICE. WANT TO SHUT OFF >> I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS IF -- EVEN IF THE DRIVE IS NOT SHUT DOWN NOW, IF IT'S GOING TO BE SHUT DOWN LATER, THEN ESSENTIALLY IT'S SIX OF ONE, HALF DOZEN OF THE OTHER, AND THE CONSTRUCTION DISRUPTION WOULD BE A LESS SALIENT POINT TO THE ZONING SUBMISSION IF THE DRIVE UP TO THE EMERGENCY BAYS, YOU KNOW, IS GOING TO HAPPEN EVENTUALLY ANYWAY. YOU HAVE TO SWING THAT BRIDGE OVER, AND YOU WOULD PROBABLY TRY TO PREFAB THAT, SO YOU WOULD HAVE YOUR CONNECTION POINTS AT THIS LOCATION, THE CONNECTION POINTS AT THIS LOCATION SO THAT YOU HAVE SHUT IT DOWN HOPEFULLY FOR A DAY. BUT NOT. >> FOR A DAY, OBVIOUSLY; VERY DIFFERENT FROM -- >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO THAT THAT FAST. YOU HAVE TO CONNECT IT AND ALL. A DAY OR TWO. >> SMETHING ON THAT ORDER OF MAGNITUDE. OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL TO KNOW. THEN, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD BE DONE FOR NOISE MITIGATION AT THE PROPERTY LINE? I KNOW THERE'S A COMMITMENT TO BUILD THE EIGHT-FOOT WALL OR FENCE. IT MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE GIVEN THE HEIGHT OF WHERE THE NOISE IS COMING FROM FROM THE HELICOPTERS, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD BE DONE TO FURTHER MITIGATE THE NOISE IMPACT ON NEIGHBORS? >> WE TOOK WHAT THE -- MARK DREW UP, AND JUST OVERLAYED IT. I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DO WHAT OUR PROPOSAL WOULD BE. OUR GOAL IS TO PUT THESE HELICOPTER -- OR HELIPADS AS CLOSE TO THE FRONT OF THIS TOWER AS POSSIBLE IS THAT THERE'S NUMBEMORE OF A BUFFER ON THIS SIDE. AS FAR AS PUTTING SOUND MITIGATION SYSTEMS IN FOR THAT, I ARE NEVER DONE THAT ON ANY PROJECT. I'M NOT AN EXPERT TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU CAN PUT ON THE ROOF, BUT IF THERE IS, WE CAN EVALUATE THAT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM LOOKING AT THAT. IT'S NOT FEASIBLE AND NOT SAFE OR NOT LEGAL. WHO KNOWS? I GUESS FOR MR. SIMS OR MS. MATHIS, THAT'S SOMETHING THE HOSPITAL WOULD BE COMMITTED TO LOOKING AT NOISE MITIGATION OPPORT OPPORTUNITIES. >> VERY GOOD. I THINK -- I THINK THAT'S ESSENTIALLY MY QUESTIONS. I WANT TO MAKE A FURTHER COMMENT. I THOUGHT COMMISSIONER GARY HAD AN EXCELLENT COMMENT DURING THE P & Z HEARING THAT IN SPITE OF THE TREMENDOUS IMPORTANCE OF WHAT THE HOSPITAL IS DOING SAVING LIVES WE CAN'T BE DISMISSIVE OF THE IMPACT ON THESE RESIDENTS. I WAS EVEN FURTHER TROUBLED TONIGHT BY THE FEELING THAT BECAUSE THIS IS ORGANICALLY OCCURRING, SAFE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS RESIDENTS ARTICULATED, THE CONCERN THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE NOT GETTING THE DEFERENCE THAT A SINGL FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD GET, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I LOOK AT YOUR INTERESTS THE SAME AS IF THIS WAS RIGHT NEXT TO MY HOUSE. PRESBY IS NOT THIS CLOSE, BUT FAIRLY NEAR TO MY HOUSE. AT THE END OF THE DAY SAVING LIVES IS THE OVERRIDING CONSIDERATION FOR ME. I JUST -- I CAN'T CAST A VOTE WHERE SOMEBODY MIGHT DIE BECAUSE OF A ZONING ORDINANCE. I AM DEEPLY SYMPATHETICO THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS AND THE IMPACT THIS WILL HAVE. ILY VOTING FOR THIS, AND I WOULD ONLY DO THAT BECAUSE I WOULD VOTE FOR THIS IF IT WAS RIGHT NEXT TO MY HOUSE AS WELL. SOME DAY THAT COULD BE YOU OR ME ON THAT CARE FLIGHT OR SOMEONE WE LOVE. THIS IMPACTS THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. I REALLY DO ENCOURAGE THE HOSPITAL TO CONTINUE LOOKING AT MITIGATION EFFORTS, WAYS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. KNOW MS. MATHIS AND I TALKED ABOUT THE BEST OF PLANO AWARD THAT MEDICAL CITY PLANO GOT RECENTLY FROM THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. I WOULD JUST REALLY ENCOURAGE AS I KNOW MEDICAL CITY OF PLANO WILL DO CONTINUE BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. PLEASE I KNOW YOU WON'T DO THIS, BUT PLEASE DON'T JUST BECAUSE THE LEGAL PRESSURE IS OFF WITH THE ZONING CASE PASSING. PLEASE DON'T STOP ENGAGING WITH THE NEIGHBORS. PLEASE DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO MITIGATE THIS IMPACT, BUT I CAN'T VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD IMPEDE LIFE-SAVING EMERGENCY CARE IN OUR COMMUNITY. I'LL VOTE IN FAVOR. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO ACTUALLY. YES SIR. >> I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF. THANK YOU. >> I WANT TO NOTE THAT MULTIPLE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FELT THAT ALTERNATIVES HAD NOT BEEN SUFFICIENTLY EXPLORED FOR THIS. EVERYBODY AGREES MEDICAL CITY NEEDS THE SPACE, BUT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DIDN'T REALLY PASS THE ZONING REQUEST. THEY PASSED THE BUCK, AND THEY SAID SO THAT THEY FELT IT SHOULD BE EXPLORED MORE. THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH IT. THEY WERE GOING TO LET COUNCIL MAKE THE DECISION. HERE WE ARE, AND I THINK THAT MOST OF THIS PLAN IS POSSIBLE. IT'S GOOD. IT'S NEEDED. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S AN ALL OR NOTHING EQUATION. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IF THIS FAILS THEN NOTHING EVER GETS BUILT AND ANY LIVES ARE IN JEOPARDY. I BELIEVE PARTIES GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. I THINK I'M IN THE MINORITY HERE TO VOTE NO, BUT IT SHOULD BE STRESSED BECAUSE IT'S NOT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS SHOULD HAPPEN. JUST I THINK -- I THINK MORE EFFORT SHOULD BE MADE TO FIGURE OUT CREATIVE ALTERNATIVES. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO, RIGHT, LISA? PUT TWO. IT SAYS ONE. HERE WE GO. PLEASE VOTE. >> I VOTE YES. >> MAYOR MUNS: THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER HOLMER. MOTION PASSES 6-1. I HAD TO ADD AND SUBTRACT. THANK YOU. ITEM THREE. >> PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2020-22 -- SORRY. MY BRAIN IS DONE. >> MAYOR MUNS: WE'RE ALL RIGHT THERE WITH YOU. >> TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2015-5-2 AS HERETOFOREAMENDED. SO AS TO REZONE 5.4 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THUNDERBIRD LANE, 145 FEET SOUTH OF CAMBRIDGE DRIVE IN THE CITY OF PLANO COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, FOR AN AGRICULTURAL TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT 49 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE ATTACHED. DIRECTING A CHANGE ACCORDINGLY IN THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY, PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> THIS IS OUR LAST ITEM OF THE EVENING. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR 5.4 ACRES CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL. IT'S THE EXPANSION OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT THAT MAY LOOK FAMILIAR BECAUSE YOU SAW THIS IN 2021. IT'S PLAN DEVELOPMENT 49 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS ATTACHED. ALTHOUGH THE REQUEST COULD BE JUST REZONED TO STRAIGHT SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED BECAUSE IT'S PART OF A LARGER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. WE THOUGHT IT WAS MORE APPROPRIATE TO INCLUDE IT AS PART OF THE PLANNED DISTRICT, BUT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY MODIFICATION TO DEVELOP. HERE'S AN AERIAL OF THE SITE. IT'S BEEN UTILIZED. ALTHOUGH IT'S DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON THE THUNDERBIRD FRONTAGE AND KIND OF A WAREHOUSE TYPE BUILDING AT THE BACK, IT'S BEEN UTILIZED AS A LANDSCAPE COMPANY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. THIS IS THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT LAN THAT'S BEEN MODIFIED TO INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL FIVE ACRES. YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE AN ADDITIONAL 19 TOWNHOUSE LOTS, AND ONE COMMON AREA LOT TO INCLUDE BASED ON THIS ADDITIONAL ACREAGE. AGAIN, THE CITY APPROVED A ZONING CASE FOR THE PARCEL TO THE EAST AND SOUTH ON NOVEMBER 8th 2021. IT CREATED A NEIGHBORHOOD OF TOWNHOUSES, AND THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN PROPOSED 146 LOTS AND 11 COMMON AREA LOTS. IT IS SHOWN AS NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. IT IS FULLY IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN'S LAND USE MIX. WITH REGARD TO THE DESIRABLE CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT MEETS ALL OF THEM WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OPEN SPACE AND SOMEWHAT IRONICALLY, IT'S OVER ON OPEN SPACE. I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY A HUGE PROBLEM FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT IT'S REALLY RELATED TO THE FLOOD PLAIN IN THIS AREA. WE TRIED TO ADDRESS THAT IN THIS STAFF REPORTED BECAUSE WE OBVIOUSLY WOULNOT WANT TO BUILD HOUSES IN THE FLOOD PLAIN. IT'S THE RESULT OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR USABLE OPEN SPACE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. PLUS, THE FLOOD PLAIN DRIVES US OVER 50%. ADDITIONALLY, IT DOES MEET THE MULTI-MODAL ACCESS STANDARDS. AGAIN, THE SUMMARY OF POLICIES IT MEETS EVERYTHING EXCEPT IT IS NEUTRAL TO THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD FORUM. THIS IS A LITTLE -- IT'S AN INFILL SITE THAT'S NOT FULLY ALIGNED WITH THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD FORM BECAUSE IT'S JUST A LITTLE OUTSIDE THE NORMAL FORM THAT YOU SEE IN TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN PLANO WHERE YOU ARE SURROUNDED BY MAJOR THOROUGHFARES AND HAVE A SCHOOL AND OTHER TYPE OF INSTITUTIONAL USES AT THE CENTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS AND THE LIKE. WITH THAT, FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED INCLUDES THREE LETTERS OF OPPOSITION FOR 3.6% WITHIN THE 200-FOOT BUFFER. ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT WITHIN THE REQUEST AREA ITSELF OR 32%, AND THEN CITY-WIDE WE HAVE 15 LETTERS OF OPPOSITION, ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT AS UNIQUE RESPONSES WITH ONE DUPLICATE RESPONSE. WITH THAT, THIS CASE IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL UNANIMOUSLY BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF THE 8-0 VOTE, AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH THE PRESENTATION, AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU MAYOR. I DO HAVE ONE, GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON TODAY, I'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO READ THROUGH THE PACKET OF RESPONSES AND OPPOSITION THAT WEECEIVED TH AFTERNOON, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO PROVIDED WRITTEN RESPONSES IN OPPOSITION WERE SAYING? >> SURE, THE LETTER, I'LL TELL YOU, WAS ON FLOODPLAIN, HOW WILL THAT BE ADDRESSED, AND ALSO, IF THE INDIVIDUAL DIDN'T WANT TO SHARE AN ALLEY, WHERE THERE BE A FENCE ALONG THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE IT'S SINGLE FAMILY TO SINGLE FAMILY ZONING, THERE'S NO FENCING REQUIRED THERE. AS YOU SAW ON THE CONCEPT PL, GOACK TO THAT, I BELIEVE THERE IS A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL MAYBE IF I CAN GET THERE SEMI QUICKLY. I THINK BECAUSE OF THE FLOODPLAIN, YOU WILL SEE IN THE AREA THERE'S A DECENT SETBACK THERE, SO WHILE THERE'S NOT A FENCE IN THE AREA THAT'S BEING ADDED, IT'S FLOODPLAIN ALONG THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE, SO THERE'S NOT REALLY GOING TO BE ANY KIND OF LOT ADJACENCY THERE, IT WILL BE A GREEN BELT ESSENTIALLY, WHERE THE NEW PROPERTY IS BEING ADDED. SO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, THERE WRE FOUR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THE ONLINE RESPONSES. THAT AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE SMALL TRACT OF LAND WILL INCREASE THE POTENTIAL FOR FLOODING. PLEASE KEEP THE AREA AS GREEN SPACE TO IMPROVE AIR QUALITY, MAKE IT INTO A PARK FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NO MORE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT WILL INCREASE FLOODING, SO A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT FLOODING. >> Ricciardelli: OKAY. AND JUST TO GO OVER THAT, WE DON'T HAVE FLOODING CONCERNS OF THIS -- >> IT WILL MEET THE CITY'S STANDARD REQUIREMENTS FOR ENGINEERING REVIEW AND BE, YOU KNOW, TWO FEET ABOVE THE FULLY DEVELOPED FLOODPLAIN, SO -- >> Ricciardelli: OKAY. VERY GOOD. AND THAT ALSO INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS ABOUT THE IMPACT OF ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON EXISTING NEIGHBORS? >> THAT IS RIGHT. THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE FULL DRAINAGE BASIS WHEN THEY DO THAT ANALYSIS. >> Ricciardelli: OKA VERY GOOD, THANK YOU >> Mayor Muns: I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> HELLO, COUNCILMEN AND WOMEN, GOOD EVENING, I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT, SO I THINK I WILL MAKE THIS BRIEF, CHRISTINA, IF YOU DON'T MIND PUTTING ON THE SITE PLAN. MY NAME IS COLLIN HUFF FINES, I REPRESENT HUFF FINES COMMUNITIES, WE SPECIALIZE IN MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENTS, AND WE EOY SEEING BEYOND THE OBVIOUS, IT'S KIND OF OUR COMPANY SAYING. THIS SITE REQUIRES A DEVELOPER THAT SEES BEYOND THE OBVIOUS. THE FLOODPLAIN OFFERS A SIGNIFICANT CONSTRAINT TO THE SITE, BUT WE BELIEVE WE CAN BRING VALUE TO IT AND IMPROVE UPON IT TO ADD 155 SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOMES. GO BACK ONE MORE, CHRISTINA. THERE WE GO. WE HAVE A FLOOD STUDY COMPLETED THAT WE'RE PREPARED TO SUBMIT, POST APPROVAL, NOT TONIGHT, BUT SOME TIME LATER THIS WEEK. THE SITES LIKE I SAID BEFORE, RATHER CONSTRAINED BY THE CREEK GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE. OUR MARKETING WINDOW IS GOING TO BE TARGETED TON EASTERN SIDE OF PREMIER DRIVE, FOCUSING MOST OF THE TRAFFIC THROUGH THAT, AND WITH THE PROXIMITY OF 75 THAT BELIEVE MOST OF THE TRAFFIC WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY DRIVEN TO PREMIER. THE TOWN HOMES, WE HAVE THE RENDERING, I THINK, WE SUBMITTED IT IN THE PACKET, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH SLIDE, IT MAY TAKE ME A MINUTE TO GET TO. BUT I THINK -- DO YOU KNOW WHAT SLIDE THAT WAS ON, CHRISTINA, THE RENDERING OF THE ACTUAL PRODUCT TYPES. THE TYPICAL FRONT ENTRY, 25-FOOT, TWO STORY TOWN HOMES, SUBJECTED TO ZONING WITH HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS UP TO 35 FEET. A LOT OF BUILDER INTEREST IN THIS SITE. BUT GENERALLY THE BIGGEST QUESTION IS THE FLOODPLAIN AND WITH THE -- WITH ME TONIGHT IS O'BRIEN ENGINEERING THAT CAN HELP DIRECT ALL THE SPECIFICS RELATED TO THE HYDRO LOGICALS, AND OTHERWISE I WILL YIELD MY TIME AND TAKE SOME QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Muns: DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE ENGINEER? BEFORE WE -- IS THAT IT? >> YES, MA'AM. THAT WOULD BE VERY CLOSE. >> Mayor Muns: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. HUFFINES? >> Grady: I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK ONE, WHICH IS REALLY TO MR. HUFFINES AND TO OUR STAFF, FROM WHAT I'M GATHERING BY LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN, WE HAV ALREADY INOVEMR OF 2021, IMPROVED THE VAST MAJORITY OF THIS. REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ADDING ANOTHER PIECE OF LAND ON TO THAT, AND SOME MORE HOMES ON TO THE SITE. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WAS APPROVED BEFORE TO THIS OTHER THAN THERE'S SOME MORE HOMES. THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT CREEK BEHIND THERE THAT ADDS INTO THE FLOODPLAIN. I AGREE THAT IT'S A SIGNIFICANT BUFFER AS IT EXISTS TODAY. SO AM I READING THE PLAN CORRECTLY? >> Y, SIR. >> Grady: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Grady: SECOND THE MOTION. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SHELBY? >> JUST ONE QUICK COMMENT. AS WE DISCUSS HOUSING AFFORDABILITY WHICH DISTINCT FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I'VE LONG SAID THAT THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IN OUR CITY IS TO DIVERSIFY OUR HOUSING TYPES AND GET AWAY FR THE DICHOTOMY OF LARGE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND APARTMENTS, WHICH ARE LARGELY THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS WE HAVE. SO I'M VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: YEAH, YEAH, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3. PLEASE VOTE. JULIE, HOW DO YOU VOTE? >> VOTE YES. >> Mayor Muns: KAYCI? >> YES. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE MOTION PASSES 8-0. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS MEETING'S ADJOURNED.