This transcript appears to be from a **Planning Commission** meeting rather than a City Council meeting. While the City Council list was provided, Planning Commissions typically consist of different appointed residents. Therefore, I have identified the board members by their roles (Chair/Commission Member) and identified the staff and applicant based on the context provided in your list and the dialogue. [06:30 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Uh we're going to call to order the planning commission meeting for Wednesday, October 15, 2025, 6:30. First uh order of business is a pledge of allegiance. Please rise. [06:30 PM] **All**: I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [06:31 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay, we um need a motion to approve the agenda. [06:31 PM] **Commission Member**: Make a motion to approve the agenda as written. [06:31 PM] **Commission Member**: Second. [06:31 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay. Um all in favor? [06:31 PM] **Commission Members**: I. [06:31 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Motion passes. Uh next up is approval of the minutes. Motion to approve the meeting minutes of Wednesday, October 15th, 2025. [06:31 PM] **Commission Member**: I'll second. [06:31 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: All in favor? [06:31 PM] **Commission Members**: I. [06:31 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay. And then um first uh up here is then the um planning uh public hearing for the um registered land survey. We have a city staff report. [06:32 PM] **City Staff**: Okay. Good evening everyone. Um, tonight the planning commission is being asked to make a recommendation on registered land survey 132. Um, but before we get into the application, I just want to give a little bit of background on the process. Um, why does a registered land survey need to go through the minor subdivision process? Uh, typically an application that requests a lot line adjustment or a division can be uh processed administratively. Um, however, because this property is torrens, the county has required that it be processed via a registered land survey. And the city reviews registered land surveys through the minor subdivision process uh per state statute. So, that's that's why we're reviewing this one today. Um for a little more context, I don't think we've had an RLS in front of us for um a few years, so 2021 or 2020. So the applicant for this uh proposal is Trauma Mission LLC and John Pisha. Uh the property is at 3481 Liver Avenue. The location um is in the old village. So the request today is to reconfigure the property boundaries to ensure that the former creamery building, the building on the west side of the site is fully contained within its own parcel. Um the existing zoning is VMX and the future zoning is also VMX. Um a little bit of history, the western building on this site was formerly the Lake Elmo Creamery and the east side of the site was previously used as a lumber yard. Currently the buildings are used for storage and there is no proposed change in use at this time. So, here's an image of the proposed RLS on the left and an aerial of the RLS on the right. And this is also in your packet. I'll leave it here for a second. And then again, another side-by-side version is illustrated here. And you can see that the RLS is separated into tract A and tract B on the right to address um to address the creamery building. So outlined here is the minor subdivision criteria. I'll go through that with you quickly. The RLS um will result in no more than four parcels. So this property will become two parcels. The RLS will not require any new right-of-ways or streets. The existing right of way will be dedicated um to clean up the area, but it's not a new right-of-way. Easements will be dedicated where applicable. The request will meet the city's VMX zoning lot dimension and bulk building requirements. Um again, the building's already existing on the site and the request will comply with the city of Lake Elmo's access and spacing um location. No new driveways or access points are proposed with this request. So, this went out for agency review at the end of September and we received comments back from the agencies listed here. Uh conditions have been added where appropriate and we'll go over those in a few slides. Um, so the public hearing notice went out for this on September 30th, 2025. Public hearing notice was published in the city's official paper on October 3rd and staff have not received any comments at this time. So, moving on to those conditions, some of these are fairly standard and some are unique to the site. Um the first is that the applicant must obtain all necessary city, state, and other governing body permits, approvals prior to the release of the recording of the RLS. Two is the city attorney comments set forth in the RLS opinion should be addressed prior to the release of the RLS for recording. Three, any special assessments currently levied on the property should be transferred or paid in full um before recording. Fourth is that the city's engineer [Nate Stanley] comments in the uh memo dated 9/23 should be addressed prior to the release of any building permits to the satisfaction of the city. Five, prior to recording the registered land survey, the applicant must dedicate right-of-way to the satisfaction of the city engineer. Six, all proposed easements shall be subject to review and approval by the city prior to the release of the RLS for recording. Seven and eight um they kind of go together and they are that um both properties must obtain sewer and water permits and pay associated fees um prior to issuing any building permit and plans. They must be approved by the city engineer. And finally, uh the applicant should record the registered land survey and resolution within 180 days after approval or provide proof to the city if not recorded. Uh this would become void unless an extension is in writing and approved by the council. So with that, I'll leave you with the recommended findings, which is that staff recommend that the planning commission consider the following findings. The RLS 132 is consistent with the Lake Elmo comprehensive plan and the future land use map for this area. And second, that the registered land survey 132 meets the requirements of the city's registered land survey minor subdivision regulations. Um and with that I will leave you this motion and the applicant is here should you have any questions. [06:37 PM] **Commission Member**: Is there any new separation needed between buildings as far as a firewall or anything or— [06:37 PM] **City Staff**: Yep. That would have to be addressed with the building permit, but the applicant is also um required to submit a party wall agreement to separate both buildings and they were—they're already working towards that. [06:37 PM] **Commission Member**: So, as it stands right now, it's okay, but if they did anything different would be a building permit or still that wall would need to be addressed, right? [06:37 PM] **City Staff**: That would be addressed with the building permits. [06:37 PM] **Commission Member**: Okay. [06:37 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Any other questions? Is the applicant here? [06:38 PM] **City Staff**: The applicant is here. [06:38 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay. [06:38 PM] **City Staff**: Here he is. Do you want to speak? [06:38 PM] **John Pisha**: Um, sure. [06:38 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay. Step up to the podium and give us your name and tell us about it. [06:38 PM] **John Pisha**: My name is John Pisha and um so I own the little green building on the northwest side of the tract—or where am I?—southeast side of the tracks. And um I—I have a couple tenants in there now, but I was officing out of there for a while. And uh yeah, I just—I for the past four years or so have been slowly pursuing some plans for the creamery building. And um now we're finally at this point and my goal is at this point to um just clean it up and do what I can to find a good tenant in there that would be good for that part of town. So, yeah, that's the long and short of it. Yeah. [06:39 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay. Any questions for him? [06:39 PM] **Commission Member**: No, I don't have any. [06:39 PM] **Commission Member**: No. [06:39 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: All right. Cool. Thank you. All right. Well, then we will open the public hearing at 6:39. Do a motion to open the public hearing. [06:39 PM] **Commission Member**: Yes. Motion to open the public hearing. [06:39 PM] **Commission Member**: Second. [06:39 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: All in favor? [06:39 PM] **Commission Members**: I. [06:39 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay. Public hearing is opened at 6:39. And since we don't have—we don't have anybody who sent anything in or any comments. [06:39 PM] **City Staff**: That's correct. [06:39 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Uh well then we'll go ahead. Um we need a motion to close. [06:39 PM] **Commission Member**: Motion to close the public hearing. [06:39 PM] **Commission Member**: Second. [06:39 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay. Um so and it is closed—the motion um closes the public hearing at 6:39. All right. Um then we need to um—do we have a motion? Uh we have a motion on the table. [06:40 PM] **Commission Member**: Sure. I will move to recommend the approval of the proposed registered land survey number 132 for the property located at 3481 Lever Avenue based on the findings of fact and the conditions presented in the staff report. [06:40 PM] **Commission Member**: I'll second that. [06:40 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay, we have a motion and a second. Um let's vote on that then. [06:40 PM] **Commission Member**: All in discussion. [06:40 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Uh okay. Any comments? [06:40 PM] **Commission Member**: I don't see any reason not for this not to go forward. There's plenty of conditions that uh are put on it. I think to um make it satisfactory to all the parties involved. Um and I'm encouraged by the fact that Susan Dunn is also for it. So it's got to be good. [06:41 PM] **All**: [Laughter] [06:41 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Questions, comments. Okay. Um okay. Well then, uh let's see. Where are we at? We need a vote on that then. All in favor? [06:41 PM] **Commission Members**: I. [06:41 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Motion passes unanimously. [06:41 PM] **Commission Member**: All right. [06:41 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay. So, that'll go to city council. When we have a date on that? [06:41 PM] **City Staff**: Uh November 5th. [06:41 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay, great. Thanks. All right. And then we have a second hearing—public hearing uh regarding uh an amendment text for a tree fund. [06:41 PM] **City Staff**: Hello. Good evening. This is a zoning text amendment to add a tree fund to our zoning code. So the background is that the tree fund was presented at the June workshop this year—the council workshop. Uh the city received, if you may recall, $50,000 payment from Stillwater Schools for treatment mitigation when they um built—when they were approved for the new elementary school. And currently the code allows for a fee in lieu payment. Uh but it doesn't specify how the fund should be spent. There's three different ways—pots—where it could go. Um using the funds to replace trees was discussed during the approval process. So there was an expectation at the time that we would use the funds to replace trees. The city does not have a tree fund currently um separate than the park dedication fund. Also, the city does not have a right-of-way Boulevard tree replacement program, but that was something that was also discussed at the workshop. It's not part of this text amendment, but we're working on bringing that forward and having that passed by the city council. Um, just high level, it's basically an area where typically you would have a boulevard tree that died. It's for subdivisions that are beyond their warranty period, the two-year warranty period. The idea would be that we would open it up to people and they could request a tree. And then in the spring, we would have our landscape consultant, HKGI, manage the project. But essentially, we would try to plant as many trees as possible. And it would be up to the homeowner to water the tree; they would get a tree bag and try to keep it alive for typically the first two years. So that—that's how that program was presented to the council. So we're going to continue to work on that and hopefully if this gets approved we'll uh have that program launched by the end of the year and planting in around April or May. So the issue before the commission is: should the city of Lake Elmo consider a zoning tax amendment to create a tree fund? And the proposed language—it's currently we have a chapter for tree preservation—so this would just add section G to the end, which is a tree fund. The purpose is to provide a dedicated fund for tree replacement throughout the city. Funding sources: the primary funding source will be from fee in lieu of tree replacement funds allocated by the city council and individual and business donations. Eligible expenses: funds shall be spent on programs approved by the city council which include but are not limited to a boulevard tree program. So something there too is the expectation is that we possibly could also receive individual donations, business donations. Someone who receives a tree would have an opportunity to donate and pay it forward. Um this is pretty common in other cities where you would see like corporations donating um to tree funds or doing some type of tree giveaway. We have this—it's a public comment was included in the paper. We did not receive any public comments on this text amendment. And then the recommendation is that uh staff recommend the planning commission hold a public hearing for this item and consider the following recommendation to city council for approval. And then this is the motion: just move to recommend city council approve the tax amendment to create a tree fund. It's pretty straightforward. It's just an ability for us to move this and also accept more donations to create a fund so we can continue to replace trees in the boulevard. [06:45 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay. So, because this is a public hearing, we need to open the hearing. Uh do we have a motion to open the hearing? [06:45 PM] **Commission Member**: Move to open the public hearing. [06:45 PM] **Commission Member**: Second. [06:45 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: All in favor? [06:45 PM] **Commission Members**: I. [06:45 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Motion passes and we don't have anybody here and we don't have any comments. So— [06:45 PM] **Commission Member**: Motion—I've got a question. [06:45 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Go ahead. [06:45 PM] **Commission Member**: Um you mentioned about the $50,000 from the school district which is all of us of course—we're paying into this for the tree replacement for down on the corner of Lake Elmo Avenue and 10th Street. But what about the money that came from 3M? Because whenever they went in and clear-cut there, there was supposed to be money that was paid to Lake Elmo. Do you know what fund or where that money went? [06:46 PM] **City Staff**: I could look into that. I'm not sure about that. [06:46 PM] **Commission Member**: Because I know it's—I think it's over $200,000. [06:46 PM] **City Staff**: Okay. [06:46 PM] **Commission Member**: So, I would appreciate somebody just checking into that to see what happened to that because they did not selectively go in and choose, you know, save like black walnuts or oaks or something. They just went and clear-cut everything, but they were—they paid the city to be able to do that. So, I'd like to get some amount. [06:46 PM] **City Staff**: Do you know what year that was? [06:46 PM] **Commission Member**: Whenever they did that—whatever they did to Tartan Park or whatever they call it now? [06:46 PM] **City Staff**: Yeah. With the Royal Golf Development. [06:46 PM] **Commission Member**: Royal Golf Course. Yeah. [06:46 PM] **City Staff**: Would it be likely that that went into the parks fund at the time? [06:46 PM] **Commission Member**: It possibly could have been placed there because that's typically there. But I just—I'm just thinking: should something like that go into the tree fund? [06:47 PM] **City Staff**: It could be. If the tree fund is established, then the council could guide that when they go ahead and approve the tree replacement. [06:47 PM] **Commission Member**: Yeah. Something like that. And and just—just number two, um whenever they came in and redid roads and so on, some streets got trees put in because that was part of the the original plan from the county or whoever it was. But in other cities, other streets maybe where private homes were—they took out trees, those never got replaced because they were told that they didn't have that in their estimates or their costs. So would something like that be eligible to request a tree? [06:47 PM] **City Staff**: It's possible. It'd have to be currently within the public right-of-way or— [06:47 PM] **Commission Member**: Public right-of-way. [06:47 PM] **City Staff**: Public right. Yes, that would be possible. [06:47 PM] **Commission Member**: Okay. Thank you. [06:47 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay. Any anyone else? All right. So, um— [06:47 PM] **Commission Member**: Move to close the public hearing. [06:47 PM] **Commission Member**: Second. [06:47 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay. Um all in favor? [06:47 PM] **Commission Members**: I. [06:47 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay, public hearing is closed at 6:47. And um do we have a motion then? [06:48 PM] **Commission Member**: I'll move to recommend the city of council approve the text amendment to create a tree fund. [06:48 PM] **Commission Member**: Second. [06:48 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay. And all in favor? Discussion? [06:48 PM] **Commission Member**: I mean, I don't see any problem with creating a place for tree money to go to to be used for more trees. [06:48 PM] **Commission Member**: And—and we're supposed to be a Tree City. I mean, we used to have a plaque, I dare say, in Tree City. [06:48 PM] **Commission Member**: I think it's a great idea. I really like the fact that if we create the program where a homeowner can request a replacement tree for that or blew over in a storm or whatever and and that others can donate to it. Like you said, a lot of other cities have a program like this, so I think we should have one as well, too. [06:48 PM] **Commission Member**: I assume there's or will be a process for how things are prioritized or tracking where the dollars—because since it's a line item in the budget then I assume there's something built—how do we spend it? [06:49 PM] **City Staff**: So right now the discussion is only for this right-of-way tree program. [06:49 PM] **Commission Member**: It's only—okay. [06:49 PM] **City Staff**: So that's the only conversation that we're having. So hopefully that will get approved by the council and then the way this is structured, if they wanted to create another program, that would go back through the council and they would have to approve it. [06:49 PM] **Commission Member**: Okay. [06:49 PM] **City Staff**: So the idea here is it would be um a first come first serve. We don't really know what the demand's going to be. We have limited funds. So, we're just going to open a form on the website. Um we've talked about, you know, "add your address, all your contact information," give um homeowners a list of like types of trees and they can kind of specify and we'll go through. One thing that we do have to review is just the location to make sure it meets the planting standards. There needs to be certain distance from the curb, certain distance from sidewalks, utilities. So, we'll look at that. [06:50 PM] **Commission Member**: Gotcha. Okay. [06:50 PM] **Commission Member**: Yeah. It's really good because at one time there's quite a canopy over a lot of our streets and that's gotten lost over the last maybe 10 years or so. So, it'll be nice to see that get and it's getting to be restarted again. So, this is a good idea. [06:50 PM] **City Staff**: Great. [06:50 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay. Call the question. Uh let's take a vote then. All those in favor? [06:50 PM] **Commission Members**: I. [06:50 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Opposed? Yep. And uh motion passes unanimously. [06:50 PM] **City Staff**: Thank you. [06:51 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Thank you. Um new and unfinished business. Anything? [06:51 PM] **City Staff**: Nothing. [06:51 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Okay, communication updates. [06:51 PM] **City Staff**: Great. So, we just launched our public GIS tool. So, as you know, you may know that the county has a public GIS and you can look up parcels and other information. We've been working with our consultant Bolton & Menk on creating one for the city. And essentially the way it works is what you're seeing now on the screen is it pulls those data points from the county and puts it on a city map, but we have more information from the city that's relevant to residents and also developers. As you may know, we spend a lot of time talking to developers. We have a lot of development activity. So, it's good to be able to send them to one site and we talk over the phone and kind of guide them through different issues that they would see. So, if you look at the public viewer right here, we could just zoom in closer to City Hall in this general area and the plats. You'll show every plat that the county has. This is also on the county map. So, you could—you could click on the plat and look at the different platilities. This is important. This is just basic um water lines, sewer lines, drainage lines. So people, developers specifically, will know whether or not there are utilities close to a site. There's the parcel data. So if you just click on the old City Hall parcel, they give you information, tax history. All this information is pulling from the county's website. So if something happens at the county, they update it automatically updates with the refresh address points. And then we have a—planning. This is the big part of why we wanted um the parcel—the city parcel viewer because this will show you shoreland buffers. You can see there's a shoreline buffer over here at Northstar. [06:53 PM] **Commission Member**: That's nice. Very good. [06:53 PM] **City Staff**: It shows the subdivisions. Shows the MUSA boundary. It also shows the the phasing for the MUSA. So the green areas mean go—you can go ahead and develop. And as you can see the other ones are pushed out phases. So, we get this from time to time, specifically on the parcel next to us, you know, to the south of Northstar. We get calls on that parcel all the time. Currently, it's not in the um—sewer phase, right? So, you would actually have to amend it, put it into the current phase if someone wanted to develop it. So, that gets brought up a lot. Shoreland, obviously, just talking about that parcel gets brought up. So, these are all the things that we—we talk to developers about. [06:54 PM] **Commission Member**: This is awesome. [06:54 PM] **Commission Member**: Yeah. Yeah. Where is this on our website? [06:54 PM] **City Staff**: This is on our website. I'll show you how to navigate. [06:54 PM] **Commission Member**: Thank you. [06:54 PM] **Commission Member**: Yeah, this is really great. And I'm sure it's—it's going to move—can cut staff usage time down by half saying like "here just go here first. This will answer most of your questions and then call me back." [06:54 PM] **Commission Member**: Where is it pulling that shoreline buffer from? Is that at the county as well? [06:55 PM] **City Staff**: That shoreland buffer is something I believe—created but off of—we had a lot of these data files but um I did the check. I—I believe that was created through a different agency though. [06:55 PM] **Commission Member**: Okay. That's really helpful. [06:55 PM] **City Staff**: Got zoning, future land use, and then let's see, we get through here. Some of the easements are shown here. Um, we also have a parks—and this is going to be presented to the parks commission too, but there's another parks and trails map separately, but we wanted to show that because we have residents talk to us, email us all the time about where the trails are in the parks. So, you see that public works asked for irrigation zones. [06:55 PM] **Commission Member**: What are irrigation zones? [06:56 PM] **City Staff**: Um, it's when—when you're allowed to water. Yeah. So, A zones get to water this day and that day. And then B zones are different so that not everyone's watering at the same time and draining the water towers. So, if you see the B zone right here, Tuesday and Friday, and the times, so you can just go there and look at that. [06:56 PM] **Commission Member**: Yeah, this is great. Super—and—and I have to make a comment about: I really like how it's phased like the 2035 to 2040 for that section south of Northstar. I think that's a good idea and that should be kept there. [06:56 PM] **City Staff**: Any other parcels you want to make sure? [06:56 PM] **All**: [Laughter] [06:57 PM] **Commission Member**: I sure have you around my house. No, I—I—I want—this is something that's really bothered me because one of the issues that we had as we moved into this transition area was we were leap-frogging all over the city and I think it was unfair for our maintenance group. I think it was unfair for the guys that were plowing and stuff because it was just like—you know, it was like splatball. They'd throw something up where it stuck and whoever said, you know, gave the best show and tell and promised everything kind of got what they wanted. So I think the phasing was really a smart thing and for many many years I saw—it's always said phasing: go slowly, phase certain sections, not just open it all up to the whole world. But you know that's how it is, but I think the phasing things for the residents who are here—that's really important that that gets held to because that's the expectations of the city and other new residents are coming in they would expect that too. So it's just my comment, but I really do like this. This is an—this is a awesome program. [06:58 PM] **City Staff**: Thank you. [06:58 PM] **Commission Member**: But thank you for making sure that got done. [06:58 PM] **City Staff**: So one of the things just bring up—it's interesting when you see all these layers. It starts to tell a story of—you know, this one site around Kramer Lake is really difficult to develop. Right. So you have shoreline buffers. It's not in the current phase. Fifth Street would come through here. That's a connection that's required. It's a larger um wider roadway. But you can see all these different parcels. So, it's a challenge. We—we talk to developers and they're trying to assemble these parcels. So, it's just one of those things that's really difficult and you can kind of see when you look at the map why certain things are happening um and why others aren't. And you can see this area over here is in the current phase. You're starting to see development um in the southeast corner. So, it's just a lot of good information. Um, you know, obviously you can look at the parcel information too and and and see who owns their properties if you want to buy properties. So, I'll show you just if you go to the main website and you go to government, it's just under GIS maps and data. So, we have mapping applications. This is new and we have the old printable maps. We're updating these maps and these are just old PDFs. Um, so you just click on either of these. So if you wanted to look at the parks and trails app, you click here and it sends you to our site. We have a subscription to a mapping um ESRI, it's called ArcGIS. So we have a basically a community account, a city account where we can host and hold data and create maps within it. And then this is a platform. It's called a web web application that could be created. So that's what we're seeing here. So this is the parks and trails map. I haven't spent much time on it, but it's essentially that layer, but just on its own. So, people that are really interested in the parks can kind of see. [07:00 PM] **Commission Member**: Is there a key on here that tells what these different color of trails are? [07:00 PM] **City Staff**: I know it's really confusing. Um, yes, there's a legend. Okay, so you can go to the legend. That's something maybe talk about it. Jump back to public viewer. I think it's all the same, but you can measure. So if you're measuring acreage, you can go here. If you're looking at, you know, different sections, you can change base maps—there's different types of maps. You can print, draw, there's a legend. There's also—you can search by property ID and address if you know. [07:01 PM] **Commission Member**: Awesome. Look at those trails. [07:01 PM] **City Staff**: Yeah, it's right there on—on our main—in a good way. You can go down. That's really all I have about the, you know, to present on this, but it's—it's here now. So, it's one of our—I can't remember. I think it was on the EDA work plan. Yeah, it was on the EDA work plan for this year. So, I'm glad we were able to get this—this done this year. [07:01 PM] **Commission Member**: Yeah. Well done. [07:01 PM] **Commission Member**: Awesome. [07:01 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Great work. Thank you. [07:01 PM] **City Staff**: So, I can move on to the next item, the TAP update. So, as you may know—you should know because I believe you're participating in it—but the TAP—the Urban Land Institute Technical Assistance Panel is going to be uh conducting a TAP on October 22nd through the 24th. You should be included in the stakeholder list. I have the list here. You should have the print out. I believe you have the print out. [07:02 PM] **Commission Member**: We got it. [07:02 PM] **City Staff**: So, you see that's everybody that was invited. They asked us to—to find um just anybody who would want to participate. So we're looking at obviously council, planning commission, um parks commission, EDA, and then since that site is close to Oakdale, um some Oakdale people, Connect Lake Elmo, Washington County Commissioner [likely referring to Stan Karwoski], uh we reached out to Wildflower Shores. Basically the process—it's a three-day process, but the main day is going to be the Thursday where they interview stakeholders. The way it works is you also see the panelists. So, uh, basically the way ULI works is for a TAP, they'll bring on two leads. So John Slack and Mark Hug are the two leads and they're basically experts in the field and they have other people you can see like civil engineers, planners, public finance experts, developers, brokers. So they bring them together for three days and basically ask all the questions, get um the best understanding of the area and try to make recommendations and I believe in November—I don't know the exact date, but they'll make the presentation to the to the council. [07:03 PM] **City Staff Member (Ashley)**: I think that's going to be um November 18th. [07:03 PM] **City Staff**: So that's—that's basically that process. It's an intense three-day try to get as much information as possible on the site and make recommendations to the city. We have what they call a briefing book. Ashley [likely Ashley Arlow, Staff] put it together for them. Basically taking a lot of the old information and just giving them as much information as possible on the site um that they can work off and and review prior to that. But it should be fun. Um hopefully you participate. I think the window is—Ashley, is it 9 to 11 on—? [07:03 PM] **Ashley**: It's—it's between Yeah. 9 and noon. 9:45 to noon. [07:03 PM] **City Staff**: You should have received the invitation. So hopefully you'll participate. That's all I have for—for TAP. For the city council updates: just that the Inwood town homes, the first edition final plat. That's just the townhouse—the town homes was approved at city council. We're waiting on them to sign the development agreement and also to do a pre-construction meeting to start that um to start that project. The RFP, as you know, that process was a fairly long process that we managed to get through and it was at the council and the council uh went with the recommendation of the commission or the committee, the EDA committee and awarded the fire station to "Tap and Ladder" and "Machete." So, it's a tap room and then also a Mexican restaurant in the old parks building. We're going to start negotiating um with them and we still have a couple steps to go to get through the phase two. The testing has been completed. Hopefully we'll get that back in by November—the report—and hopefully it's clean and they don't need a response action plan. Uh we have an appraisal. We have to do an appraisal. We have to do a survey. There's steps that we have to do and then uh we're hopeful that we can close by January or February on the fire station and then they can move into construction sometime in the summer. [07:04 PM] **Commission Member**: What's in the testing phase? [07:04 PM] **City Staff**: So they've already tested—I would have to go back. So the phase one they look at um possible contaminants just of the history. So one was like the plume behind Hagberg's, the old creamery. Uh they were concerned about that site um just in general. Uh obviously PFAS or just anything and then obviously asbestos, lead—the common things that you would see—um the foam PFAS from the um foam for the um fire suppression for firefighters, anything coming off the—the trucks, the suits. Um so when you do that they recommend a phase two. The phase two is testing. They take samples of the building, soil samples too. Uh just so you know that uh we went through the Washington County Community Development Authority and requested money. They have a—a program for environmental assessment. So the phase one and phase two have been paid for by the county for redevelopment. So luckily we haven't had to pay for— [07:04 PM] **Commission Member**: Great. [07:04 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: Again, nice work. Thank you. [07:04 PM] **Commission Member**: Very interesting. [07:04 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: And then next is the upcoming meetings. It's scheduled for October 27th. We do not have anything as of yet, I believe. Correct. [07:04 PM] **City Staff**: It's pending. [07:04 PM] **Planning Commission Chair**: All right. Does anybody have any more questions for him or anything else? All right. Thank you. So the meeting is adjourned at 7:04.