>> Mayor Muns: IS MAYOR PRO TEM ON? NO? OKAY. I NOW DECLARE THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING IS RECONVENED INTO OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL COUNCILMEMBERS ARE PRESENT. MAYOR PRO TEM IS ON ZOOM. OUR FIRST ITEM IS ON THE PRELIMINARY AGENDA, CONSIDERATION AND ACTION RESULTING FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. OUR SECOND ITEM IS PERSONNEL >> Mayor Muns: OUR NEXT ITEM, STREET DESIGN STANDARDS. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, MY NAME IS MIKE BELL, THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM IS TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED STREET DESIGN STARTING AND ASSOCIATED UPDATES SCHEDULED FOR CONSIDERATION ON TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING AGENDA ITEM NUMBERS 8-13. WE WILL BE TAG TEAMING THIS PRESENTATION AND WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION TO COVER, SO WE'LL BE MOVING QUICKLY, AND ASK THAT YOU PLEASE HOLD QUESTIONS UNTIL THE END. WE HAVE KIMBERLY HORNE, THE PROJECT CONSULTANT,S WELL AS STAFF FRO THE ENGINEERING AND SPECIAL PROJECT DEPARTMENTS WHO WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR SPECIAL QUESTIONS AT THE END. THE CITY'S THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS RULES AND REGULATIONS OR THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS FOR SHORT REGULATE THE REQUIREMENTS. THEY WERE LAST UPDATED IN 2009, AND CITY STAFF WORKING WITH KIMBERLY HORNE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH UPDATES OF STANDARDS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, THAT WILL INCLUDE RENAMING THE DOCUMENT TO THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS. THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, LIKE THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS ARE INTERCONNECTED WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENT POLICIES AND REGULATIONS INCLUDING THE COMPREENSIVE PLAN, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE. AND THE INTERCONNECTEDNESS OF ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS IS WHAT REQUIRES THE PACKAGE OF ITEMS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT. MAJOR GOALS OF THE PROJECT, INCLUDING UPDATES OR INCORPORATING NATIONAL BEST PRACG MULTIMODAL STREET NETWORK AND CONTENT SENSITIVE DESIGN STANDARDS FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CONSOLIDATING DESIGN STANDARDS FOR STREETS INTO A SINGLE DOCUMENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND APPROVING OVERALL USER FRIENDLINESS. THE UPDATE OF THIS PROJECT REQUIRES SIGNIFICANT INTERNAL COLLABORATION FROM NUMEROUS DEPARTMENTS INCLUDING ENGINEERING PLANNING, PLANO FIRE RESCUE, PARKS AND RECREATION, PUBLIC WORKS, AND SPECIAL PROJECTS AND I WOULD LIKE TO QUICKLY THANK ALL THE STAFF FROM THOSE DEPARTMENTS FOR THEIR TEAM WORK, DILIGENCE, AND DEDICATION TO THIS PROJECT OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. DUE TO THE QUANTITY AND COMPLEXITY OF THE CHANGES INVOLVED, WE BRIEFED THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON MAJOR UPDATES STARTING IN OCTOBER OF 2022, THAT CULMINATED IN A PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH 1 OF THIS YEAR, WHERE THE FIRST DRAFT WAS PUBLISHED ONLINE AND INITIATED OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH CAMPAIGN. WHAT'S NEW TO THE STANDARDS? SINCE THE LAST UPDATE NEARLY 15 YEARS AGO, THE INDUSTRY HAS CONTINUED TO EVOLVE, AND SO THE GOAL IS TO IMPLEMENT THE LATEST AND BEST PRACTICES FROM THE STATE AND AND THE NATION. AND AS MENTIONED, WE'RE CONSOLIDATING STANDARDS ACROSS DOCUMENTS, SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS SPECIFIC TO MIXED USE THAT ARE IN CURRENT MIXED USE DISTRICTS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WE'RE RELOCATING THOSE INTO THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, ALL CITY STREET DESIGN STANDARDS ARE LOCATED IN ONE PLACE. IT'S ALSO INTRODUCING AN UPDATED STREET DESIGN TYPOLOGY THAT ALLOWS A NUMBER OF DESIGN OPTIONS DEPENDING ON THE SURROUNDING AREA. THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE COVER AND THE GENERAL TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR THE DOCUMENT. I'M NOT GOING TO COVER ALL OF THESE SECTIONS, BUT I WILL HIGHLIGHT A FEW MAJOR TOPICS IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES. SECTION 2 INCLUDES THE CROSS SECTIONS FOR THE CITYWIDE STREET NETWORK, THESE ESTABLISH THE NUMBER OF LANES, THE MEDIAN WIDTHS, THE CURBSIDE OPTIONS, SIDEWALK AND PARKWAY WIDTHS FOR EACH STREET TYPE. SECTION 3 DOES THE SAME CROSS SECTIONS FOR SPECIAL STREETS FOR PASEOS. ESE OSS SECTIONS ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. HERE YOU SEE THE EXISTING MAN MAP AND IT SHOWS THE ALIGNMENTS OF EXISTING ROADWAYS IN PLANO. EACH LIME COLOR ON THAT MAP REPRESENTS A DIFFERENT STREET TYPE RANGING FROM TYPE A EXPRESSWAYS, TYPE B ARTERIALS, COLLECTORS AND NOT SHOWN ON THE MAP, THE SMALLEST CLASSIFICATION IS TYPE G FOR LOCAL RESIDENTIAL STREETS. UNDER THE CURRENT STANDARDS, THE DESIGN OF STREETS IS UNIFM AN OTHER WORDS A TYPE F ON ONE SIDE OF PLANO SHOULD BE BUILT IN THE SAME STANDARDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PLANO. WITH THE ASSOCIATED UPDATES, STAFF PROPOSES ADDING LAND USE CONTEXT AS ADDITIONAL DIMENSION TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP, THAT INCLUDES THE ADDITION OF FOUR NEW CONTEXT ZONES, NEIGHBOR CORNER COMMERCIAL, AND MIXED USE, PLUS A STECIALALIZED DOWNTOWN ZONE, ALL OF WHICH ALLOW A VARIETY AND STREET DESIGN WHICH IS COMPLIMENTARY TO THE SURROUNDING AREA T CONTEXT ZONES A GROUPED ON SIMILAR CATEGORIES OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. LOOKING AT A TYPE F COLLECTOR, AS AN EXAMPLE, ON THE LEFT, YOU WILL SEE THE DESIGN ROADWAY IS PROPOSED FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL OR CORNER CONTEXT, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE CURRENT TYPE F STANDARD, NOW INCLUDE AS VARIETY OF PARKWAY AND SIDEWALK WIDTHS. OVER ON THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU SEE THE TYPE F IN A MIXED USE -- MIXED USE CONTEXT. THIS CROSS SECTION INCORPORATES ON STREET PARKING, STREET TREES, WIDER SIDEWALKS THAT COMPLIMENT THE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED NATURE OF THESE DISTRICTS AND MCH MUCH OF THE DESIGN WE SEE IN RECENT DEVELOPMENTS. MOST OF THE VARIETY YOU WILL FIND IN THE NEW CROSS-DEVICE SECTIONS ARE DOWN IN THE TYPE F AND TYPE G. A SPECIALIZED SET OF CROSS SECTIONS WERE ALSO DEVELOPED FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA WHICH WE'LL COVER MANY MORE DETAIL ON LATER SLIDES, SECTION 5 5-GET INTO THE DETAIL GEOMETRIC STANDARDS FOR ASPECTS SUCH AS INTERSECTIONS, TURN LANES AND DRIVEWAYS. SECTION 9 INTRODUCES COMPLETELY NEW GUIDANCE FOR MULTIMODAL FACILITIES FOR DESIGN FEATURES SUCH AS PEDESTRIAN SHELTERS, BIKE LANES, AND TRANSIT FACILITIES. AND THEN JUMPING AHEAD TO SECTION 12, THIS SECTION COVERS THE TRAFFIC STUDIES. THIS INCLUDES THE DETAILED STEPS FOR CONDUCTING VARIOUS RANGE OF TRAFFIC STUDIES BASED ON THE SCOPE, INTENSITY OF THE PROJECT RANGING FROM A TRAFFIC ENGINEERING ASSESSMENT TO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS OR TIA UP TO A REGIONAL TIA FOR THE MOST INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT. SECTION 13 INTRODUCES A NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, WHEREBY NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS CAN PETITION FOR TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON BUSY NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS AND THEIR PROCEDURES FOR STUDYING OR DEVELOPING POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS FOR NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC. ADDITIONAL SLIDE I DID NOT INCLUDE, BUT SECTION 13 ALSO INCLUDES CURB SIDE MANAGEMENT OPTIONS FOR THINGS SUCH AS UBER AND LYFT PROVIDES GUIDANCE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT ON THOSE ASPECTS. THAT COVERS THE BASICS OF THE NEW SEETESIGN STANDARDS DOCUMENTS. I'LL DIVE INTO THE ASSOCIATED CHANGES WITH THE OTHER DOCUMENTS. AS MENTIONED THE UPDATES TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP ARE PROPOSED TO INCLUDE THE NEW CONTEXT ZONES. REPLACING THE CROSS SECTIONS ARE A NEW SET OF DESCRIPTORS FOR THE STREET FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATIONS CONTEXT ZONES AND OTHER DESIGN ELEMENTS. COMPLETELY NEW ASPECT OF THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP IS A NEW DOWNTOWN STREETS PLAN INSET MAP. THIS TAKES THE DOWNTOWN AREA COMPLETELY OFF THE CITYWIDE SYSTEM INTO ITS OWN UNIQUE STREET CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM. THIS IS NEEDED BECAUSE MANY OF THE STREETS DOWNTOWN WERE CONSTRUCTED WELL BEFORE THERE WERE CITYWIDE STANDARDS AND THERE'S A MISMATCH BETWEEN THOSE STANDARDS AND THE DESIGN CHALLENGES TODAY. THE DOWNTOWN STREETS PLAN INTRODUCES A CUSTOMIZED RIGHT OF WAY PLAN FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA, ACCOMPANYING SET OF DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO CONTRIBUTE TO DOWNTOWN'S UNIQUE CHARACTER BUT ALSO ITS UNIQUE DESIGN CHALLENGES. A SIMILAR APPROACH WAS USED IN THE 1963 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BEFORE IT SHIFTED TO THE CITYWIDE NETWORK BEGINNING WITH THE 1986 PLAN. THESE RIGHT OF WAY I WIDTHS WERE DESIGNED TO ALLOW FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND BUT ALSO GENERALLY UTILIZED COMMONLY AVAILABLE RIGHT OF WAY SO THAT WE MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. THE ULTIMATE GOAL IN THE END IS TO ENHANCE THE STREET SCAPE. AS MENTIONED IT IS CUSTOMIZED PLAN, AND THE STREET TYPES IN THIS ARE UNIQUE TO DOWNTOWN AND INCLUDE THE DOWNTOWN COUPLET FOR K AND MUNICIPAL AVENUES. GATEWAY CORRIDORS FOR MAJOR STREETS SUCH AS 14th AND 15th. MIXED USE LOCALS AND OTHER SPECIAL STREETS. BELOW ARE TWO EXAMPLES OF THE CROSS SECTIONS FROM THE SECTION 4 OF THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, SO IN THE SAME WAY YOU SEE THAT THE CROSS SECTIONS FOR THE CITYWIDE NETWORK ARE IN SECTION 2 OF THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, THE ASSOCIATED CROSS SECTIONS FOR THE DOWNTOWN STREETS PLAN ARE IN SECTION 4 OF THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS. DREW WILL BE COVERING MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE DESIGNS OF THESE STREETS MOMENTLY. MOMENTARILY. MOVING ON, ASSOCIATED UPDATES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE INCLUDE RELOCATING STREET DESIGN STANDARDS FROM SEVERAL MIXED USE ZONING STANDARDS OR THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AS WELL ASSET BACKS IN THE PG AND U MANY DISTRICT HAVE BEEN UPDATE BASED ON THE PLANNED RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH RATHER THAN THE STREET CURB SIMPLIFYING ADMINISTRATION OF SETBACKS IN THESE AREAS. ARTICLE 25 UPDATED TIA REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH ZONING CASES AND SITE PLANS. OF NOTE, THE UPDATES WILL INCLUDE THE ZONING ORDINANCE FIRST COLOR GRAPHICS TO HELP ILLUSTRATE HOW THOSE UPDATED SETBACKS ARE MEASURED. AND THEN FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES, YOU WILL SEE HOW THE CURRENT SETBACK ON THE LEFT VARIES GREATLY DEPENDING AS IT'S MEASURED CURRENT -- IT'S MEASURED ON THE STREET CURVE. THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, THE SETBACK WILL BE MEASURED BASED ON THE PLANNED RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH, WHICH CREATES A UNIFORM DISTRICT WHICH IS MORE TYPICAL OF ZONING SETBACKS. ASSOCIATED UPDATE TO THE ZONING SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE ARE MOSTLY RELATED TO THE INTRODUCTION OF MIXED USE CONTEXTS FOR A LONG TIME, THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE HAS BEEN DIVIDED INTO RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL PROVISIONS WERE ADDED TO INCORPORATE A SYSTEM ALLOWING TRADITIONAL -- TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL NONRESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE. IT ALSO ADDED ALLOWANCES TO COMMIT THE CITY TO FULLY CONSTRUCTING STREET IMPROVEMENTS AND NEW STREETS INHE DOWNTOWN STREETS OF PLANO. AND THEN INCORPORATED VARIOUS BLOCK REQUIREMENTS IN OTHER DESIGN ASPECTS FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISIONS GUIDELINES. NEXT ITEM IT INCLUDES REPEAL OF OBSOLETE PLANNING DOCUMENTS WHICH APPROVED WOULD INCLUDE THE EXISTING THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS AS WELL AS DOCUMENTS SUCH AS THE TRAFFIC GUIDELINES AND THE PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISION GUIDELINES. ALSO INCLUDE AS NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, THESE ARE MOSTLY FOR CLEANUP, THERE ARE FERENCES TO T THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS IN THOSE SECTIONS AND WE ARE CLEANING THOSE UP JUST FOR CONSISTENCY, AS WELL RASE MOVAL OF SOME OBSOLETE BUILDING LINES FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT DATE BACK TO 1963. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OF TO DREW TO COVER PUBLIC OUTREACH. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M DREW BRAUNING, LEAD PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, I'M GOING TO HIGHLIGHT THE PUBLIC OUTREACH DONE AS PART OF THIS EFFORT INCLUDING FEEDBACK TOPICS AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION STAFF PROVIDED TO ADDRESS THESE QUESTIONS. STARRING WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE OUTREACH STRATEGIES, STAFF CREATED A WEBSITE INCLUDING A PAGE DEDICATED TO DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC STREET DESIGN INFORMATION. OUTREACH ALSO INCLUDED SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS IN A PLANO CITY NEWS VIDEO, A SERIES OF DISCUSSION ITEMS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT. WE ALSO DID STRATEGIC OUTREACH FOR THE DOWNTOWN STREETS COMPONENT DUE TO THE UNIQUE NATURE OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES, THIS INCLUDED A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE HELD ON MARCH 29th TO INTRODUCE THE FIRST DRAFT SET OF DOWNTOWN STREETS DESIGN STANDARDS. PROPOSED CROSS SECTIONS PRESENTED IN 3-D FORMAT TO HELP ILLUSTRATE THE CHANGES AND THIS MEETING HAD 48 TOTAL ATTENDEE. IN ADDITION TO THE OPEN HOUSE, STAFF MADE PRESENTATIONS AT THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN PLANO ASSOCIATION MEETINGS AND HAD COMMUNICATION WITH STAKEHOLDERS COVERING OVER 270 TOUCH POINTS THROUGH GROUP MEETINGS, INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS OR E-MAILS AND CALLS. WE RECEIVED MINIMAL FEEDBACK ON THE OVERALL CITYWIDE STANDARDS AANY COMMENTS WERE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THIS DOCUMENT. MOST OF THE FEEDBACK WE DID RECEIVE WAS RELATED TO THE DOWNTOWN STREETS COMPONENT. MANY COMMENTS WERE POSITIVE OR NEUTRAL PARTICULARLY RELATED TO IMPROVING CONDITIONS FOR PEDESTRIANS, BUT WE ALSO HEARD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES WHICH I'LL COVER ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDES. RESPONSES FOR ALL ITEMS RELATED TO THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS ARE PROVIDED AS A SINGLE BUNDLE, WITH 21 NEUTRAL AND FIFTEEN OPPOSED. STARTING WITH WHY ARE CHANGES NEEDED T PRIMARY REASON IS THAT THE EXISTING STANDARDS DON'T FIT THE DOTOWN.CHALLENGES OF WE HAVE ADOPTED PLANS THAT OUTLINE GOALS AND STRATEGIES FOR HOW TO IMPROVE THE DOWNTOWN STREETS, BUT THOSE GOALS HAVE NEVER BEEN REFLECTED IN OUR STREET DESIGN STANDARDS. THIS OPTION RESULTS IN INDIVIDUAL NEGOTIATIONS WITH DEVELOPERS, WHICH CAN LEAD TO INCONSISTENT RESULTS IN STREET DESIGN. SOME OF THE EXAMPLES I'LL HIGHLIGHT OF WHERE OUR CURRENT STANDARDS DO NOT PROVIDE APPROPRIATE DESIGN GUIDANCE FOR DOWNTOWN INCLUDE OUR LOCAL STREETS, THE DOWNTOWN COUPLET, 15th STREET, AND THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS GOVERNMENT DISTRICT SETBACKS. I MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE PLANNED GOALS FOR CREATING A DOTO PLANO AND THESE ARE NOT NEW. THEY ARE INCLUDED IN SEVERAL DOWNTOWN PLANS DATING BACK TO 19. THOSE PLANNED STRATEGIES INCLUDE DESIGNING STREETS TO BE A DESTINATION USING GRID STREETS TO CREATE SMALL BLOCKS TO MAKE WALKING EASIER, DESIGNING STREETS TO BECOME COMFORTABLE FOR PEDESTRIANS, ONE OF THE NEW STRATEGIC RECOMMENDATIONS TO PROMOTE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY WITH CONNECTIONS AT 12th PLACE, 13th STREET, AND 17th STREET TO BE BREAK UP THE LONG BLOCKS AND CREATE A MORE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT. DOWNTOWN, OUR DEFAULTREETS STANDARD ARE EITHER THE TWO LANE TYPE G FOR RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND THE WIDING 2 LANE TYPE F FOR COMMERCIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY TYPE AREAS, THESE ARE NOT THE BEST FIT FOR THE MILKED USE CHARACTER OF DOWNTOWN. TO ILLUSTRATE THIS, THIS SLIDE SHOWS I AVENUE, THIS STREET SERVES A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, BUT ITS DESIGN LACKS ELEMENTS TO ENHANCE THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE LIKE SIDEWALKS AND OTHER CURB SIDE AMENITIES. HOWEVER, ON OTHER STREETS, CERTAIN DEVELOPMENTS HAVE NEGOTIATED DESIGN IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE MORE TYPICAL OF A MIXED USE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT, G AVENUE NEXT TO RIC FIELD, THE TRAVEL WAY WAS MODIFIED TO PROVIDE SPACE FOR PARKING SPACES AND A WIDER SIDEWALK. THE RESULT IS A DESIGN SIMILAR TO THE PROPOSED MIXED USE LOCAL FOR DOWNTOWN. AND THEN HERE LOOKING AT 15th PLACE, ANOTHER EXAMPLE WHERE ON STREET PARKING WAS PROVIDED WITH CURB EXTENSIONS AND STREET TREES THAT THE TRAVEL WAY IS A LITTLE NARROWER, AND THE PEDESTRIAN AREA FEELS MORE COMFORTABLE. AND THEN ANOTHER EXAMPLE HERE IS THE PHARAOH MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT WHICH USED A DESIGN CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED MIXED USE LOCAL. AND THEN IT'S NOT JUST DOWNTO, BU DEVELOPMENT IN OUR OTHER MIXED USE ACTIVITY AREAS HAVE IMPLEMENTED ALTERNATE DESIGNS FOR LOCAL STREETS, HERE IS A LOCAL STREET IN HERITAGE CREEKSIDE. AND ANOTHER EXAMPLE IN LEGACY TOWN CENTER, SO YOU CAN SEE DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN DRIVING MANY OF THESE WALKABLE DESIGN ALTERNATIVE APPLICATIONS, THE UPDATED STREET DESIGN STANDARDS WILL MAKE APPROACH THE STANDARD FOR DOWNTOWN AND IBMED USE AREAS. IN ADDITION TO THE LOCAL STREETS AND ANOTHER MISMATCH WITH OUR CITYWIDE STANDARDS IS THE DOWNTOWN COUPLET, IT'S CLASSIFIED AS A TYPE C AND THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. GUIDANCE FOR HOW TO APPLYN THIS TO A ONE WAY COUPLET. ADDITIONALLY PORTIONS OF K AVENUE HAVE ALREADY BEEN REDESIDESIGNED FROM THREE LANES TO TWO LANES, WHICH INCORPORATES THE GOALS FOR DOWNTOWN STREET DESIGN, CURRENT DESIGN STANDARDS HAVE NOT ADDRESSED APPLYING THIS DESIGN STANDARD TO THE REST OF THE COUPLET. NOW, LOOKING AT 15th STREET, ANOTHER MISMATCH IN OUR CURRENT STANDARDS, IT'S CLASSIFIED AS A TYPE F ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN WHICH INDICATES IT SHOULD BE A TWO LANE ROAD. HOWEVER, 15th IS CURRENTLY A FOUR LANE UNDIVIDED STREET WITH VARYING RIGHT OF WAY AN SIDEWALK CONDITIS. THIS IMAGE ILLUSTRATES HOW THE RIGHT OF WAY VARIES FROM BLOCK TO BLOCK, WE KNOW THE INTENT IS NOT TO NARROW THE STREET DOWN TO A STANDARD TYPE F TWO LANE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR GOAL TO WORK TOWARD. WITHOUT A PLANNED RIGHT OF WAY GOAL, IT BECOMES DIFFICULT TO REQUIRE APPROPRIATE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION AS REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS. AND AS MIKE MENTIONED, BASING SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OFF OF CONSISTENT PLANNED RIGHT OF WAY WOULD PROVIDE PREDICTABILITY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. WE ALSO HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS WOULD BE WITH THE PROPOSED STRE SECON CHANGES IN DOWNTOWN, SOME STREETS ARE RECOMMENDED FOR A LANE REDUCTION, WHICH WOULD FREE UP RIGHT OF WAY SPACE FOR AN ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DESIGN, IN ADDITIONAL ON STREET WASHING PARKING, IN WORKING WITH ENGINEERING, THE PRIMARY LIMITING FACTOR FOR TRAFFIC FLOW IN DOWNTOWN IS THE INTERSECTIONS RATHER THAN THE NUMBER OF LANES, THE PROPOSED REDUCTION TRAVEL LANES ON 15th AND 14th ACTUALLY PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO OPTIMIZE HOW VEHICLES GET THROUGH THE INTERSECTIONS. HERE WE SEE 15th AT G AVENUE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO EASTBOUND LANES, BUT THE LEFT LANE ALSO FUNCTIONS AS A TURN LANE. MEANING THERE ARE OFTEN TURNING VEHICLES MIXED WITH VEHICLES TRAVELING THROUGH. THOSE TWO LANES CONTINUE EAST UNTIL THE DARK TRACKS. BUT IN THAT LAST BLOCK TRAFFIC IS FORCED TO EITHER TURN RITE IN MCCALL PLAZA OR MERGE INTO THE LATEST LANE TO CONTINUE THROUGH DOWNTOWN. MANY VEHICLES KNOW THIS AND MERGE TO THE LEFT MUCH EARLIER WHICH MEANS THE RIGHT LANE IS ESSENTIALLY JUST FUNCTIONING AS A LONG TURN LANE. HOWEVER, THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE LAST MINUTE MERGING AT THE TRACKS WHICH CAN CREATE SOME DELAYS AND SAFETY CONCERNS. SO THE PROPOSED LANE MODIFICATION FOR 1h STREET HELPS TO SIMPLIFY THIS BY MOVING THE MERGE POINT BACK TO THE G AVENUE INTERSECTION, SO THIS SLIDE HERE IS AGAIN LOOKING AT THE G AVENUE INTERSECTION BUT WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGES THROUGH TRIPS WILL CONTINUE IN A SINGLE LANE FROM THIS POINT AND THEN LEFT TURNING VEHICLES WILL HAVE THEIR OWN DEDICATED TURN LANE WHICH ALLOWS THE SIGNAL TIMING TO BE IMPROVED. RIGHT TURNS WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE A DEDICATED LANE AS CURRENTLY EXIST. TRAVELING EAST FROM G AVENUE THROUGH TRIPS WOULD ALREADY BE IN THEIR SINGLE LANE, THE CENTER TURN LANE WOULD ALLOW FOR LEFT TURNING VEHICLES WITHOUT HOLDINGP THROUGH TRAFFIC. AND THEN APPROACHING THE DART TRACKS A SHORTER RIGHT TURN LANE WOULD STILL BE MINUTE TAKENNED TO SEPARATE THE TURNING VEHICLES INTO THE MCCALL PLAZA PARKING AREA. SO IN SUMMARY, THE ANALYSIS AND BENEFITS OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES ON 15th STREET, TRAFFIC VOLUMES DO NOT WARRANT TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION, THE EXISTS CAPACITY OF THE ROAD IS MORE THAN THE DEMAND WE SEE DURING PEAK TRAVEL PERIODS. THE RECAPTURED STREET SCAPE ALLOWS FOR ENHANCEMENTS. INTERSECTION SIGNALIZATION IMPROVEMENT AT G AVENUE IS FORECASTED TO REDUCE WAIT TIS UP 30%. NEXT WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT 14th STREET, THIS IS HOW IT WORKS TODAY, BETWEEN THE DART RAIL AND THE MUNICIPAL AVENUE. WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO TRAVEL LANES IN EACH DIRECTION. AGAIN, AT THE INTERSECTIONS TURNING VEHICLES ARE CURRENTLY MIXED IN WITH THE THROUGH TRAFFIC. SO AS VEHICLES TURN, ANY VEHICLES NEEDING TO GO THROUGH MUST WAIT. YOU SEE THAT WITH RIGHT TURNS AT K AVENUE AND LEFT TURNS IN MUNICIPAL AVENUE. THIS SLIDE ILLUSTRATES THE ISSUE THAT CREATES. IF THERE'S A LEFT TURNING VEHICLE WHICH IS SHOWN HERE IN WHITE, THAT ESSENTIALLY REDUCES THE THROUGH LANES TO ONE LANE. THOSE WHO KNOW THE AREA WILL TYPICALLY MERGE TO THE RIGHT. THE SAME THING HAPPENS WESTBOUND AT THE K AVENUE INTERSECTION. THE RIGHT LANE CAN CONTINUE THROUGH. BUT THE LEFT LANE IS SHARED WITH LEFT TURNING VEHICLES WHICH CAN CREATE 'DELAYS FOR THROUGH VEHICLES. SO ESSENTIALLY, THE STREET IS CURRENTLY FUNCTIONING AS TWO THROUGH LANES WITH TWO INNER TURN LANES. SO THE SLIDE ILLUSTRATES THE PROPOSED CHANGE FOR 14th. GOING TO A THREE LANE DESIGN CREATES DEDICATED TURN LANES AT K AVENUE AND MUNICIPAL TO SEPARATE OUT THE TURNING VEHICLES. STREET SPACE IS MADE AVAILABLE FOR DESIGN ELEMENTS LIKE WIDER WALKS, ON STREET PARKING AND STREET TREES. AND THE SAME TRAVEL PATTERN WOULD OCCUR WITH WESTBOUND TRIPS, DEDICATED TURN LANES AT THE INTERSECTIONS WITH CONTINUOUS THROUGH TRAVEL LANES. AND IN THIS SLIDE, ILLUSTRATES A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE EXISTING FOUR LANE SECTION AND THE PROPOSED THREE LANE SECTION AND HOW THIS ACCOMMODATES THE SAME INTENDED TRAFFIC PATTERN, BUT FREES UP STREET SPACE FOR MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY DESIGN. AND THEN THIS SUMMARIZES THE FOURTEENth STREET ANALYSIS, SIMILAR TO 15th STREET, TRAFFIC VOLUMES DO NOT WARRANT TWO LANES IN EACH DIRECTION, THE PROPOSED DESIGN CHANGE WOULD OPERATE FUNCTIONALLY THE SAME AS EXISTIN CONDITIONS. THE NARROW TRAVELWAY WIDTH WOULD IMPROV SAFETY AND COMFORT AND PROVIDE STREET SCAPE ENHANCEMENTS. LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT 14th STREET EAST AND MUNICIPAL, THREE CROSS SECTION OPTIONS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED SO THAT THE BEST OPTION CAN BE SELECTED FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC STUDY WITH OPTIONS TO EITHER KEEP THE NUMBER OF LANES AS IS OR MODIFY THE NUMBER OF LANES TO PROVIDE ON STREET PARKING AND ALL THREE OPTIONS ARE DESIGNED TO WORK IN THE SAME RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH. MOVING ON THE FUTURE STETS,HE PROPOSED DOWNTOWN STREETS PLAN INCLUDES FUTURE EXTENSIONS OF F AVENUE, 12th PLACE, 13th STREET, O AVENUE, AND P AVENUE. THESE ARE INTENDED TO REINFORCE THE STREET GRID BY ENHANCING CONNECTIVITY, INCREASING WALKABILITY AND CREATING NEW STREET FRONTAGE OPPORTUNITIES. THEY'RE GENERALLY ALIGNED WITH EXISTING STREETS WHERE POSSIBLE AND CONSISTENT WITH SHORTER BLOCK LENGTH REQUIREMENTS FOR PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED AREAS IN THE CITY'S SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE. IT IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH DOWNTOWN PLANNING POLICIES THAT RECOMMENDED ADDING CONNTIVITY TOHE STREET GRID. SOME PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF SHOWING THESE FUTURE CONNECTIONS ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP. WHILE THE NEED AND BENEFIT FOR THESE CONNECTIONS IS APPARENT FROM THE DOWNTOWN PLANNING POLICIES, QUESTIONS ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION, TIMING AND FUNDING RESPONSIBILITY HAVE BEEN RAISED. IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED THAT THE CITY SHOULD COMMIT TO ACQUIRING THE RIGHT OF WAY AND FULLY FUNDING THE STREETS OR OTHERWISE REMOVE THE STREETS FROM THE PLAN TO AVOID UNCERTAINTY IN FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT. THE CITY MUST BALANCE SHORT-TERM PROPERTY INTEREST WIT LONG-TERM COMMUNITY INTEREST. MAXIMUM BLOCK MAY REQUIRE TURETREET CONNECTIONS TO BE MADE AS PART OF LARGE SCALE REDEVELOPMENT, SO IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT ITS FUTURE PLANS BY INCLUDING THESE NEW STREET CONNECTIONS ON THE MAP. WE ALSO RECEIVED QUESTIONS ABOUT CITY VERSUS PROPERTY OWNER RESPONSIBILITIES. IN RESPONSE, SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE CHANGES INCLUDE COMMITMENT OF THE CITY TO REIMBURSE FOR RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS AND FUND STREET IMPROVEMENTS. LONG-TERM IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DOWNTOWN COUPLET AND GATEWAY CORRIDORS ARE TO BE DEFERRED TO FUTURE CIP PROJECTS, SMALL RESCALE DEVELOPMENTS SHOULD NOT TRIGGER DEVOPMENTS. NOT SPECIFIC TO DOWNTOWN STREETS. THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF STREET DESIGN STANDARDS PROJECT AND COULD BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF UPCOMING ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE COMPREHENSIVE UPDATES. AND FINALLY, THERE WERE ALSO QUESTIONS ON THE TIMING OF IMPROVEMENT, IN THE SHORT-TERM WITH THESE PROPOSED CHANGES, RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION WOULD OCCUR ON ALL STREETS AS REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS FOR FUTURE CIP DRIVEN INVESTMENTS, THIS ENSURES WE'RE NOT LIMITING OURSELVES FROM MAKING IMPORTANT DOWN THE LINE NOT PLANNING FOR FUTURE. SIWALK AND STREET TREE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED ON MAJOR STREETS. AND THERE ARE NO IMMEDIATE OR SHORT-TERM PLANS TO RECONSTRUCT MAJOR ROADWAYS, MAJOR STREET REDESIGNS WOULD OCCUR IN THE LONG-TERM AND WOULD NEED TO BE PROGRAM AND RECONSTRUCTED THROUGH THE CIP, ADDITIONAL STUDIES MAY BE NEEDED TO DETERMINE THE FINAL DESIGN. THIS CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION. AND STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> I ACTUALLY HAVE SOME WITH REGARDS TO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BG AREA, PARTICULARLY 14th STREET, YOU SHOWED COUPLET, AND YOU SHOWED THAT CHANGE, WHAT ABOUT THAT S CURVE RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO, YOU KNOW, CROSSING THE DART, ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE THAT CONVERSION TO GO SINGLE LANE AT THAT POINT, OR BEFORE THEN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THEY'RE GOING UP 15th, THEY TAKE G, THEN THEY COME DOWN, THEY'RE HITTING EAST ON 14th, AD HAVE YOU TO NAVIGATE THAT S TURN THERE. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO CHANGE IT FROM TWO LANES TO ONE LANE? ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT BEFORE THAT S TURN OR -- WHAT'S THE PLAN THERE? DID I MISS THAT SOMEWHERE IN YOUR DESIGN? >> NO, SIR, WE WERE SHOWING THE SECTION THAT WOULD HAVE THE LANE, ALREADY REDUCED, BUT THE TURN WOULD STILL INCLUDE AT TWO TRAVEL LANES, AND WE DROP ONE AT J AVENUE. SO THERE WOULD STILL BE A DEDICATED RIGHT TURN LANE TO J AVENUE, AND THAT WOULD BE THE NATURAL TRANSITION POIT. >> RIGHT, FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE RIGHT THERE ON FOURTEENth, IS THAT THAT CURVE COMING OUT OF MCCALL OR COMING OFF OF THAT -- THAT PARKING LOT THAT IS OVER THERE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF DART. WE'VE GOT BND SPOTS, WHETHER YOU'RE TO THE LEFT OR TO THE RIGHT. IS THERE ANY WAY -- HAVE WE LOOKED AT THAT AND TRIED TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS AND TRAFFIC? >> TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING MANAGER. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, TWO DIFFERENT WAYS, FROM A CAPACITY STANDPOINT, WE ABSOLUTELY DEFINITELY CAN REDUCE IT TO ONE LANE. WEST OF THE DART TRACKS. AND PART OF THAT REASONING IS WHAT FEEDS THAT ONE LANE OR THAT TRAFFIC, YOU GO BACK TO THE 13th, 14th COUPLET, IN G AVENUE, AND IT'S ONLY ONE MOVEMENT OPERATING AT ANY GIVEN TIME, EACH ONE OF THOSE MOVEMENTS IS ONE LANE, SO FEEDING THAT STRETCH IS ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC AT ANY GIVEN TIME. SO FROM A CAPACITY STAND POINT, WE COULD -- WE COULD MAKE THAT CHANGE. NOTHING HAS BEEN FINALIZED AS FAR AS THE DESIGN. THIS IS ALL CONCEPTUAL, YOU KNOW, PLANNING, SO WE COULD DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT MAKING THAT CHANGE, BUT YOU DO BRING UP A GOOD POINT, THERE ARE ACCIDENTS THAT DO >> AND I WANT TO ASSURE ANYBODY WHO IS WATCHING, THESE ARE CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS RIGHT NOW. THESE AREN'T SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO IMMEDIATELY HAVE, BUT IT'S PART OF THE -- YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD, AND THIS IS AS GOOD A PLACE TO START. SO A LOT OF THE E-MAILS WE RECEIVED HAVE BEEN -- THEY THINK WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THESE CHANGES RIGHT AWAY. AND THIS IS JUST PLANNING CONCEPTUAL DOCUMENTATIONS FOR A PATH FORWARD. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER? >> Holmer: (OFF MIC). >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST? >> QUICK QUESTION. I THINK, MIKE, IT MAY HAVE BEEN ON YOUR SLIDE. THEY ALL LOOK VERY IMPRESSIVE. DID I SEE WHERE -- ON A FOLLOWUP TO COUNCILMEMBER HORNE'S QUESTION, THIS NOT ONLY IS PLANNED FOR FUTURE BUT NOT EVEN FINALIZED, THAT WE DO INTEND TO DO FURTHER TRAFFIC STUDY BEFORE WE FINALIZE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IN THE FUTURE? AM I CORRECT ON THAT? >> YES, THAT'S GENERALLY CORRECT. THE SHO-TER NEE IS REALLY THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WIDTH TO MAKE ANY FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS. WE'RE NOT PRECLUDING OURSELVS FROM DOING THAT. THE ADDITIONAL STUDY NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR DRIVEWAYS, SAFETY VISION, YOU KNOW, RIGHT-OF-WAY VISIBILITY ISSUES. THIS IS NOWHERE NEAR. THIS IS 5% OF THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO GET THESE ROADWAYS DESIGNED. >> I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED DRIVEWAY BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE DISTANCE BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS. AT MY AGE, WHEN I THINK OF DRIVEWAY, I'M THINKING OF BACKING OUT YOUR DRIVEWAY FROM YOUR GARAGE. WE CONSIDER DRIVEWAY ANY ACCESS FROM PROPERTY ON TO A STREET. IS THAT CORRECT? SO WE TALKED ABOUT COIT AND PARK BEING KIND OF A BAD AREA AT TIMES. SO LET'S SAY THE -- COMING OUT OF THE BASKIN ROBBINS OR ELLIOT'S PARKING LOT, THAT'S A DRIVEWAY, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT, THE DRIVEWAY IS THE AREA THAT CONNECTS THE STREET TO THE PROPERTY, THE LITTLE DRIVE THAT RUNS TO THE DRIVEWAY. >> AGAIN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MAKINGHOSE PROPERTY OWNERS CHANGE THE DRIVEWAYS THAT EXIST NOW. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE CHANGES. IF WE DO FOUR-CORNER CHANGES, RECONSTRUCTION, THAT WOULD BE APPLIED. BUT NOT RETROACTIVELY HAVING TO CHANGE IT. WHETHER WE'RE PAYING FOR IT OR THE PROPERTY OWNER IS PAYING FOR IT. >> CORRECT. THESE STANDARDS ESTABLISH THE IDEAL MID BLOCK. IT DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL DRIVEWAYS OR ISSUES LIKE THAT. >> GREAT, THANKS. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS? >> Williams: THANK YOU. FIRST, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, ALL OF THESE EFFOR GOING BACK COUPLE YEARS HAVE BEEN TO ESTABLISH A SET OF STANDARDS THAT WE RECOGNIZED THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED AS WE INCUR SOME REMAINING DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY REDEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE, CITYWIDE, IS THAT CORRECT? AND I GUESS TO YOUR POINT A MOMENT AGO, ANY IMMEDIATE EFFORTS THAT WE TAKE AS A RESULT OF THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE SCRATCHING THE SURFACE OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH THE FULL PLAN. IS THAT ACCURATE? >> YES, I BELIEVE THAT'S ACCURATE. WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY IS WHEN DEVELOPERS WANT TO USE THESE STREET SECTIONS, THEY HAVE TO DO IT THROUGH A PLANNED DEVELOENT. HAVING TO CHANG THE Z INCORPORATE THE DESIGN. THIS ALLOWS THE STANDARDS TO BECOME THE DEFAULT. AND THE NEGOTIATION HAPPENS OFF OF THAT DEFAULT. >> Williams: OKAY. AND GIVEN THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED REGARDING THE DOWNTOWN AREA SPECIFICALLY, WHICH I THINK YOU DID A GOOD JOB ADDRESSING HERE, IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE BASICALLY THE LANE CLOSURES IMMEDIATELY, ARE THERE THROUGH LANES IN THE DOWNTOWN - AREA THAT DIDN'T HAVE A TEMPORARY BALLOONING IN ADVANCE? LIKE ONE OF THE ONES WE LOOKED AT, I THINK THAT WAS ON 15th STREET. IT WIDENED OUT AND CAUSED SOME CONFUSION BEFORE THE RIGHT-HAND TURN. ARE THERE ANY AREAS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE REDUCING WHAT IS CURRENTLY A THROUGH LANE TO A SINGLE LANE? >> BRIAN. SO ON 14th STREET, CAN YOU DISCUSS -- BECAUSE RIGHT NOW ON 14th STREET, GOING BOTH DICTIONS, WE HAVE TWO LANES AND GOING DOWN TO ONE THROUGH LANE, I THINK IS WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED. YOU ACTUALLY, INSTEAD OF HAVING FOUR LANES, I THINK WE NOW HAVE THREE LANES IS BASICALLY THE CONFIGURATION, AND I THINK COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS IS ASKING THE QUESTION, ARE WE REDUCING THE TOTAL NUMBER OF LANES. >> Williams: SPECIFICALLY CURRENT THROUGH LANES. >> BUT I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS WITH THE DIFFERENT DESIGN -- AND I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, BRIAN IS. SO WITH THREE LANES, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE A DEDICATED TURN LANE, A SINGLE THROUGH LANE IN WHAT I THINK BRIAN HAS SAID IS THE TWO LANES RIGHT NOW, ONE IS FUNCTIONING AS A TURN LANE. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO SPEAK FOR YOU. I WANT THE ENGINEER TO SPEAK. >> YES, YOU ARE CORRECT. >> ALL RIGHT. >> THAT'S CORRECT, YEAH. >> Williams: OKAY. SO IT'S DUAL PURPOSE CURRENTLY. >> CURRENTLY IT IS DUAL PURPOSE. >> ADDING TO THAT, GETTING THE DEDICATED TURN LANE ALLOWS SIGNAL TIMING IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAXIMIZES EFFICIENCY. RATHER THAN HAVING THE ONE LANE HAVE TO YIELD LEFT, IT CAN BE A LEFT GREEN ARROW AND THE SIGNAL FUNCTIONS MORE EFFICIENTLY. >> Williams: OKAY. NOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT AS WE'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF THESE, THERE'S NO INDICATION RIGHT NOW THAT WE CAN'T FUNCTION WITH THE SINGLE LANE IN SOME OF THESE AREAS. HOW FAR OUT INTO THE FUTURE HAVE WE CONSIDERED, GIVEN THAT AS OUR PLAN, OUR ULTIMATE PLAN FOR DOWNTOWN PLANO TAKES PLACE, WE HOPEFULLY GET MORE AND MORE TRAFFIC TO THE AREA, ARE WE GOING TO CREATE ANY BOTTLENECKS WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW, MAYBE 5, 10, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD? >> SO WE ACTUALLY DID AN ANALYSIS FOR 15th AND G, 14th AND MUNICIPAL, 14th AND K, AND FAIRLY HEALTHY GROWTH RATES.E AND WE STILL ENDED UP WITH A LEVEL SERVICE C FOR THOSE INTERSECTIONS. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH LEVEL SERVICES, C IS ACTUALLY REALLY, REALLY GOOD. >> Williams: I JUST BECAME FAMILIAR WITH LEVEL SERVICES JUST TWO SECONDS AGO. [ LAUGHTER ]. >> SO SORRY. IT ACTUALLY OPERATES VERY WELL EVEN WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING. >> Williams: OKAY. >> THE VOLUMES ARE JUST NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO ANY OF OUR OTHER INTERSECTIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. >> Williams: OKAY. NOW, I UNDERSTAND YOU WENT THROUGH A VARIETY OF FORMS OF OUTREACH. AFTER HAVING LOOKED AT THE PACKET AND EVERYTHING, THE SLIDES WE JUST REVIEWED HERE WERE VERY HELPFUL FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMICS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. HAVE THE CONCERNED BUSINESSOWNERS THAT HAVE APPROACHED US, HAVE THEY SEEN ALL OF THAT THAT WE JUST REVIEWED HERE? >> YES, WE'VE TRIED TO MEET INDIVIDUALLY WITH EVERYBODY WE CAN AND LET THEM KNOW. ALL OF THE INFORMATION HAS BEEN ON THE WEBSITE, INCLUDING ALL THE PRESENTATIONS TO P&Z DATING BACK TO OCTOBER. SO WE'VE TRIED TOAKE THEM AWARE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, TALKING THROUGH WITH ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO TALK IT THROUGH. >> Williams: OKAY. HOW DO WE ANTICIPATE -- YOU TALKED ABOUT PROJECTING OUT TEN YEARS. WAS THE ANTICIPATION OF THE COMPLETION OF COLLIN CREEK BAKED INTO THAT? >> I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS. WE JUST USED GROWTH RATES. WE INCREASED THE GROWTH RATES. I THINK IT WAS 2.5% IS WHAT WE USED FOR OUR GROWTH RATES. SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT WAS INCLUDED IN THERE. >> Williams: OKAY. I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT ONCE COLLIN CREEK IS COMPLETED, THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE, GREATER TRAFFIC THAN WE WOULD EXPERIENCE OVER JUST INCREMENTAL GROWTH FROM EXISTING PATTERNS. I GUESS MY FINAL QUESTION IS, GIVEN THE CONCERNS FROM DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, IF WE'RE REALLY PROPOSING TO JUST RESTRICT SOME OF THE LANES RIGHT NOW TO FACILITATE THE THROUGH TRAFFIC AND THE TURNS, IS THERE ANY -- IS THERE ANY DIFFICULTY IN RUNNING A PILOT WITHOUT ACTUALLY INCURRING CONSTRUCTION COSTS? AND I UNDERSTAND WE DID SOME SORT OF LIMITED PILOT, BUT BLOCK OFF THE LANES IN THE ENTIRE AREA, RECONFIGURE THIS TEMPORARILY, THE WAY WE'RE PROPOSING THE ENTIRE AREA TO WORK FOR A MONTH, WHATEVER A GOOD PERIOD WOULD BE. IF FOR NOTHING ELSE, IF NOT FOR PROVING OUT THE IDEA -- SOUNDS LIKE YOU'VE DONE SOME EXCELLENT ANALYSIS -- TO ALLAY THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS >> SO THE ANSWER IS YES, THAT COULD BE DONE. WE ACTUALLY HAD A FOUR-MONTH PILOT OCCUR IN THE WESTBOUND DIRECTION OF 14t STREET WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS OCCURRING BETWEEN M AND O. AND THE OUTSIDE LANE IN THE WEST DIRECTION WAS CLOSED FOR FOUR MONTHS. SO WE TECHNICALLY HAD A THREE-LANE SECTION FOR THAT ONE STRETCH. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DEGRADATION IN QUALITY OF SERVICE. I HAD ZERO CALLS FROM THE PUBLIC ON, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD TO WAIT OR THEY HAD ISSUES. >> Williams: WAS THERE ANYTHING WORKING IN TANDEM WITH THAT? BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT REGULATING TRAFFIC FROM MULTIPLE STREETS IN MULTIPLE DIRECTIONS SIMULTANEOUSLY. >> WELL, ACTUALLY, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT. DART ALSO TOOK MUNICIPAL AND K AND REDUCED IT DOWN TO ONE LANE FOR MANY MONTHS. >> Williams: AT THE SAME TIME? >> THAT WAS OCCURRING AT THE SAME TIME. >> Williams: THAT'S HELPFUL. THAT'S HELPFUL. GREAT. ALL RIGHT. I'M OUT OF QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> I'LL JUST SAY, WE HAVE A PRECEDENT FOR THAT, TOO. WHEN WE NARROWED K AVENUE, WE DID A PILOT PROJECT AND PUT IN TEMPORARY TREES AND THOSE PARKING SPACES WERE TEMPORARY INITIALLY. SO WE'VE DONE THAT AND KNOW HOW TO USE THAT MODEL. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER? >> Holmer: I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TIMING IS OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT. OBVIOUSLY IF WE APPROVE THE PLAN, THEN THE ORDINANCES WOULD TAKE EFFECT, I ASSUME, RIGHT AWAY. WHAT DO YOU SEE FOR THE TIMING? AND I DON'T MEAN HOW LONG, BUT IN WHAT ORDER DO YOU SEE THIS TAKING PLACE? HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IF ONE THING NEEDS TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE OTHER? >> YEAH, THE TIMING IS GOING TO RELY LARGELY ON THE CIP PROGRAMMING. SO WITH APPROVAL, WE'LL HAVE A PLAN, AND THEN THAT PLANNING PROCESS FOR WHAT SHOULD COME FIRST WILL HAPPEN THROUGH THAT. WHAT YOU'LL SEE RIGHT AWAY IS, AGAIN, THOSE SHORT-TERM IMPROVEMENTS TO GET US THE NECESSARY RIGHT-OF-WAY TO ALLOW THAT PLANNING PROCESS TO HAPPEN ON THE SMALLER STREETS, YOU'LL SEE THROUGH REDEVELOPMENT, THOSE HAPPEN RIGHT AWAY. BUT THE LARGER STREETS WILL BE OVER TIME AND COORDINATED THROUGH THE CIP. IT'S SET UP THROUGH THE REGULATIONS TO ALLOW THAT. SO IF A DEVELOPER DOES A PROJECT ON 14th, THEY'RE ONLY PUTTING IN A LITTLE SHORT-TERM IMPROVEMENTS TO SIDEWALKS, AND THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO PUT IN THE LONG-TERM IMPROVEMENTS TO LANE REDUCTION BECAUSE THAT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DO AS A CITYWIDE EFFORT ACROSS THE ENTIRE STREET. >> AND COUNCILWOMAN, I WOULD JUST ADD THAT WITH OUR CURRENT LAND POLICY WE HAVE NOW, MOVING FORWARD WITH THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, IS THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY, IS AN OPTION WHILE WE MIGHT BE WAITING FOR THE CIP PROCESS TO TAKE PLACE, AND THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL BOND AUTHORITY QUESTIONS FROM CITIZENS. BUT IN THE MEANTI, WE HAVE THE LAND BANKING TO BE ABLE TO RELY ON SHOULD THERE BE OPPORTUNITIES TO MOVE AHEAD WITH SOME OF THOSE ACTIONS RIGHT AWAY. >> Holmer: THANK YOU. ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS ABOUT THE TIA. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON WHAT THE CHANGES ARE AND WHAT THE REASON IS BEHIND THEM? >> WELL, THE BIGGEST CHANGE IS GOING FROM 8,000 TRIPS PER DAY AS A REQUIREMENT TO START A TIA, WHICH IS IN FOR 20 PLUS YEAR DOWN TO A MORE REASONABLE NUMBER OF 3,000. THEN THERE ARE SMALLER NUMBERS TRIGGERING DIFFERENT LEVELS OF TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY REQUIREMENTS. THIS NUMBER -- ACTUALLY, THESE NUMBERS ARE ACTUALLY IN LINE WITH PRETTY MUCH EVERY OTHER CITY IN THE METROPLEX. AND MY SUPPOSITION FROM 20 YEARS AGO IS THAT THE 8,000 NUMBER WAS GENERATED TO MAKE PLANO A DEVELOPER-FRIENDLY CITY. UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE PAYING THE PRICE RIGHT NOW. MANY OF OUR INTERACONS WHERE WE HAVE LEVEL SERVICE Es AND Fs, VERY POOR LEVELS OF SERVICE, HEAVY CONGESTION, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THESE RIGHT TURN OR EXTRA LEFT TURN LANES THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TRIGGERED 20 YEARS AGO. >> Holmer: CAN YOU GIVE ANY EXAMPLES OF ANYTHING IN THE LAST 5 TO 10 YEARS THAT HAD THIS BEEN IN PLACE WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE DIFFERENTLY AND WOULD HAVE MITIGATED EXISTING TRAFFIC? >> WELL, LET'S START WITH COLLIN CREEK MALL. OR THE REDEVELOPMENT. THAT'S ACTUALLY A BAD EXAMPLE BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY WERE NOT REQUIRED AT 55,000 TRIPS PER DAY, THEY WERE NOT REQUIRED UNDER OUR EXISTING GUIDELINES TO DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY. THEY ACTUALLY DID A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY BECAUSE WE SUGGESTED IT TO THEM, AND IT WAS THE BEST WAY FOR THEM TO GET ACROSS TO ALL THE LOCAL RESIDENTS THAT THEY WERE GOING TO MITIGATE THE TRAFFIC THAT WAS BEING CAUSED BY THE DEVELOPMENT. THERE WAS LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS WE IMPLEMENTED, ADDITIONAL TURN LANES, NEW TRAFFIC SIGNALS AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT -- SURROUNDING THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND PUT IN. AS FAR AS 5 OR 10 YEARS AGO, I CAN'T THINK OF A DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S PROBABLY SEVERAL THAT ARE IN THE RANGE. ACTUALLY, WITHIN THE LAST SIX -- WELL, THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS, WE'VE HAD SIX OR SEVEN DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE 10,000 TRIPS PER DAY THAT DID REQUIRE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES, AND MAINLY WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DRIVEWAYS THAT WE REQUIRE RIGHT TURN LANES OFF OUR ROADWAYS. ANY TIME THAT YOU CAN GET THE RIGHT TURN LANES OFF THE -- OUT OF A THROUGH LANE, IT GREATLY DECREASES THE AMOUNT OF ACCIDENTS THAT OCCUR. SO THERE'S A WHOLE SLEW OF THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS. >> Holmer: DID YOU SAY COLLIN CREEK MALL WAS 55,000 TRIPS A DAY? >> 55,000. >> Holmer: WHY WASN'T IT QUED F THAT? >> BECAUSE THE WAY IT READ, IT'S HOW MANY NEW TRIPS PER DAY IS GENERATED BY THE DEVELOPMENT? WITHIN 100 TRIPS, IT WAS 55,400 TRIPS PER DAY THAT WAS GENERATED WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. AND THE EXISTING COLLIN CREEK MALL, WHEN IT WAS OPERATIONAL, IT WAS COMPLETELY FILLED OUT, SO IT WAS ONLY 200 EXTRA TRIPS PER DAY WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. [ LAUGHTER ]. >> Holmer: SO THE THRESHOLD F E STUDY, I UNDERSTAND IF IT GOES UP TO 8,000, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S ALSO A THRESHOLD RELATED TO AN INCREASE IN TRIPS. IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S NOT IN THE NEW pGUIDE >> Holmer: SO THAT WOULD BE TAKEN OUT? >> WE TOOK THAT OUT. >> Holmer: OKAY, GOOD TO KNOW. AND THEN IS THERE ANY CORRELATION BETWEEN THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE NUMBER OF TRIPS? I'M SURE IT'S DETERMINED MORE BY WHAT IS THERE. >> IT'S ACTUALLY THE LAND USE AND WHAT'S PUT IN THERE. EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT MULTI-FAMILY. YES, MULTI-FAMILY ACTUALLY CREATES MORE TRIPS PER DAY THAN SINGLE-FAMILY USE. BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE DENSITY IN AN ACRE. THE PROBLEM IS, WHEN YOU HAVE THESE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS OR THE -- WHAT PEOPLE FORGET, WHEN YOU HAVE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS AND YOU HAVE MULTI-USES ON THERE, SO YOU HAVE RETAIL, AND THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME RESTAURANTS, AND YOU HAVE MULTI-FAMILY OR EVEN SINGLE-FAMILY, THERE'S MIXED USE THAT OCCURS IN WHAT'S CALLED THE INTERNAL CAPTURE WHERE I MIGHT GENERATE 1,000 TRIPS FOR A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT, BUT 200 OF THOSE TRIPS ARE GOING INTERNAL TO THE OTHER PARTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND AREN'T TOUCHING OUR STREET SYSTEM AND IMPACTING OUR STREET SYSTEM. SO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON -- THE SIZE IS IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO THE MIX IN USE. IF IT'S ONLY MULTI-FAMILY AND THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, THEN ALL THOSE TRIPS TO OUR STREET SYSTEM AND IMPACT IT. >> Holmer: AND THERE'S NOT ANY KIND OF CORRELATION BETWEEN THE COST OF THE PROJECT THAT SOMEONE IS DOING AND -- WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH DOING THE STUDY AND THE COST OF DOING THE DEVELOPMENT. SO IF SOMEONE'S -- >> SO IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE P&Z. WHAT'S ACTUALLY NOT IN THE DOCUMENT, THESE SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS -- EVERY DEVELOPMENT, WHEN IT COMES TO PLANNI, IS GOING TO REQUIRE AT MINIMUM A TRAFFIC GENERATION STUDY OR REPORT. I WISH WE HADN'T USED THE WORD REPORT. WE COULD HAVE USED SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY A TABLE. IT TAKES MY TEAM 5 TO 15 MINUTES TOTAL, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, TO FILL THIS TABLE OUT. AND GENERALLY WHEN WE COME INTO THE FIRST MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPER, WE'LL TELL THEM AT THAT POINT, WE WILL ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE TRIP GENERATION IS AND WE'LL TELL THEM THEY NEED TO DO A MORE EXTENSIVE STUDY. AND THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVELS OF STUDIES, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SO IF SOMEONE CAME IN AND THEY'RE PUTTING IN A STARBUCKS, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO REQUIRE A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY FOR A STARBUCKS. BUT IF IT'S A LARGER-SIZED DEVELOPMENT, AND IT'S OVER -- JUST SAY 3,000 TRIPS PER DAY, THAT'S THE MOST EXTENSIVE STUDY, AND WE'LL SIT DOWN WITH THEM, IMCT IS, WHICH INTERSECTIONS THEY NEED TO STUDY, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. BUT UP FRONT, WE'LL TELL THE DEVELOPERS AT THE VERY BEGINNING WHAT LEVEL OF STUDY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO NEED. >> Holmer: AND THAT'S BASED ON, LIKE YOU SAID, THE QUICK CALCULATION. >> THE QUICK CALCULATION. >> Holmer: I THINK ONE OTHER QUESTION. ON 14th STREET, WHEN YOU NARROW IT DOWN TO ONE LANE, IS THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC BACKING UP AND NOT HAVING ANYWHERE TO GO OR GETTING STUCK OVER INTERSECTION -- I KNOW THAT'S JUST A SHORT STREET RIGHT THERE. AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S -- >> WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE QUEUEING AS PART OF OUR ANALYSIS, AND THE WAY WE DID OUR SIGNAL TIMING, WE PRETTY MUCH FLUSHED THE TRAFFIC OUT SO THERE WOULDN'T BE A QUEUEING ISSUE AND PEOPLE BACKING UP. >> Holmer: OKAY. WELL -- >> NOW, I DO NEED TO CLARIFY WITH DART COMING IN, THERE IS THAT POSSIBILITY THAT TRAFFIC GOING SOUTHBOUND COULD BACK UP INTO 14th STREET. AND THERE'S LITERALLY NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT AT THAT POINT. >> Holmer: OKAY. WELL, PRIOR TO THIS AGENDA ITEM, I NEVER THOUGHT I WANTED TO BE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER. I'M POSITIVE I DON'T WANT TO BE A TRAFFIC ENGINEER NOW. [ LAUGHTER ] SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK ON THIS. YOU DID A GOOD JOB. >> Mayor Muns: DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, RICK? >> Grady: Y-- >> YEAH, JUST A COUPLE. I REALLY WANT STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT WE DID A TEMPORARY, A MOCKUP FOR A MONTH OR TWO AND S. AND I APPRECIATE YOU MENTIONED THE FACT -- YOU WERE GOING, WE DIDN'T HAVE CALLS, COMPLAINTS AND THINGS. I CAN TELL YOU PERSONALLY, I GOT CAUGHT IN THAT TRAFFIC ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION. I DRIVE IN THAT PART OF TOWN QUITE A BIT. I DIDN'T CALL AND COMPLAIN BECAUSE I JUST ASSUMED, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON. IT'S JUST CONSTRUCTION. YOU GET CAUGHT UP AND YOU'RE SNARLED AND IT GOES AWAY. NOW HEARING THIS MAY HAVE BEEN PART OF SOME OTHER STUFF GOING ON. BUT I CAN TELL YOU, 14th STREET WAS SNARLED UP WHEN TSE CON WERE IN PLACE AND TRAFFIC WAS BEING MOVED OVER FROM TWO LANE INTO ONE LANE. SO I REALLY SUGGEST WE DO THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO DO AND PUSH THE BUTTON. THE THING THAT WOULD HELP IF THERE'S OTHER CONSTRUCTION GOING ON, WE NEED TO DO IT WHEN IT'S JUST OUR DISRUPTION. IN MY OPINION. I'M SORRY. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER EITHER, SO I WANTED TO GET YOUR OPINION ON IT. TO DO IT WHEN IT'S JUST GOING TO BE OUR DISRUPTION THAT'S MEASURING THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND SEEING HOW TRAFFIC IS EITHER MOVING SMOOTHLY OR IMPEDED BY THAT. >> WE CAN DEFINITELY SCHEDULE IT SO THERE'S NO OTHER DISRUPTIONS. I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DON'T SAY THIS. I MENTIONED THIS AT P&Z. IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE INTERSECTION AT G AND 15th, I WANT YOU TO VISUALIZE THAT INTERSECTION. I THINK EVERYBODY HERE GOES THROUGH IT MULTIPLE TIMES THE WAY. IT IS THE MOST INEFFICIENT OPERATIONS OF AN INTERSECTION THAT WE HAVE IN THE ENTIRE CITY. AND IT'S THAT WAY BECAUSE I CAN ONLY SERVICE ONE APPROACH AT A TIME. I HAVE NO DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANES EXCEPT FOR THE NORTHBOUND DIRECTION. AND THE ABILITY FOR US TO PUT IN LEFT TURN LANES, EVEN GOING DOWN TO ONE LANE, WE GREATLY IMPROVE THE OPERATIONS AT THAT INTERSECTION. WHICH ALLOWS ME TO HAVE MY EAST AND WESTBOUND THROUGHS GOING AT THE SAME TIME, SO I HAVE MORE TIME IN THE CYCLE TO ACTUALLY -- ON THAT PARTICULAR MOVEMENT. PEOPLE THINK, OH, I'M LOSING A LANE. YOU'RE ACTUALLY GAINING A GREAT THE OTHER THING IT WILL ALLOW ME TO DO IS COORDINATE THAT SIGNAL, WHICH IS NOT COORDINATED NOW, WITH U.S.-75. SOME TYPE OF PROGRESSION GOING THROUGH THERE. THE LAST THING ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION, IF YOU'RE GOING IN THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION, THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE TIMES YOU GUYS GO THROUGH THAT, ESPECIALLY IN THE MORNING, LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE DISTRIBUTION OF CARS ARE IN THE TWO LANES THAT ARE EXISTING NOW, THAT OUTSIDE -- OR THE FAR INSIDE LANE, WHICH IS ALSO THE LEFT TURN LANE, HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE STACKED UP THERE AND HOW MANY ARE STACKED UP IN THE MIDDLE LANE? U'LLEET'S PEOPLE WHO UTILIZE THAT APPROACH A LOT, THEY'RE STACKED UP IN THAT INSIDE LANE ALREADY. YOU'LL SEE 7, 8, 9 CARS STACKED UP IN THAT LANE AND TWO OR THREE STACKED UP IN THE MIDDLE LANE. SO FUNCTIONALLY, IT'S ALREADY OPERATING AS ONE LANE. >> Smith: ALL RIGHT. I AGREE. YOU JUST HELPED ME SEGUE IN THE NEXT QUESTION THAT I HAVE, WHICH IS ABOUT LEFT TURN LANES. I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN DOING REALLY GOOD WORK EXPANDING THE LEFT TURN LANES. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO A LONG-TERM SOLUTION TO THIS. BUT WE DEFINITELY HAVE SOME STICKY AREAS THAT YOU PROBABLY KNOW ABOUT. I CAN THINK OF, YOU KNOW, NORTHBOUND COIT APPROACHING PARKER. I CAN THINK OF EASTBOUND PARKER APPROACHING CUSTER. I MEAN, THERE'S A FEW. AND AGAIN, I'M OUT DRIVING AROUND A LOT DURING THE DAY AS WELL. THAT THE TURN LANES ARE GREAT, BUT YOU CAN'T GET TO THEM. AND WHAT HAPPENS, WHEN WE HAVE THREE LANES GOING -- WELL, YEAH, WE DO IN SOME PARTS. HAV THREE LANES GOING THROUGH, I HAPPEN TO KNOW ABOUT IT, SO I NEVER IN THE AFTERNOON WILL GET IN THE LEFT LANE GOING THAT WAY BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE BACKSTOPPED AND PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO JUMP OUT OF THE FAR LEFT LANE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MOVE. AND THEY DON'T WANT TO TURN LEFT. THEY WANT TO GO STRAIGHT. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD EXTEND THOSE LANES FURTHER BACK TO GET ACCESS AND KEEP THE TRAFFIC FLOWING PAST THEM OR TAKE THE LANE LIKE TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN, TAKE THAT OUT OF SERVICE AND MAKE THAT WHOLE SIDE A TURNANE FM HALF WAY DOWN BETWEEN THE TWO BLOCKS? NUMBER ONE, IT DOES IMPEDE TRAFFIC. AND NUMBER TWO, IT'S DANGEROUS. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT ANY STATS ON IT, BUT I GUARANTEE, I'VE SEEN MORE THAN ONE ACCIDENT, AND I'VE SEEN MORE THAN ONE ALMOST ACCIDENTS IN THERE. SO I THINK WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THE ONE THING I REALLY DIDN'T NOTICE, AND WE HAD A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION PRESENTED TO US, TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN AND SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS BUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO OR WHAT WE CAN DO TO EFFECTIVELY MINIMIZE TT DISRUPTION THAT THESE LEFT TURN LANES DO. AGAIN, THEY'RE GREAT TO HAVE, BUT IF YOU CAN'T GET INTO THEM UNTIL THE LIGHT HAS ALREADY CHANGED, WE'RE NOT HELPING ANYTHING ELSE. GREAT SEGUE. I APPRECIATE YOU LEADING ME INTO THAT ONE >> IF THERE WAS EVER A SOFTBALL THROWN AT ME, THIS IS IT. MARK -- SENT MARK AN E-MAIL LATE TODAY. I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S HAD A CHANCE TO FORWARD THAT ON TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I CAME ON BOARD TO DO WAS TO FIX OUR CAPACITY ISSUES IN THE ITEM THAT YOU JUST DISCUSSED. >> Smith: I REMEMBER THAT. >> BECAUSE I LOSE ONE EFFECTIVE LANE -- OF THE THREE LANES, I LOSE A LANE DURING EACH OF OUR PEAK PERIODS WHEN I HAVE ONE LEFT TURN LANE AND IT'S A SHORT LANE BECAUSE IT BACKS UP AND BLOCKS THE THROUGH LANE. WE STARTED LOOKING AT -- MANY YEARS AGO -- FOUR, FIVE YEARS AGO, THIS EXACT ISSUE. WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE LOCATIONS OF A THE INTERSECTIONS WE WANT TO ADD EXTENDED LEFT TURN OR DUAL LEFT TURN. OUR GOAL IS TO ON ALL OUR MAJOR, MAJOR LOCATIONS, TO HAVE DUAL LEFT, THREE THROUGHS, AND A RIGHT TURN LANE ON EVERY APPROACH. WE'VE ALREADY GOT A COUPLE OF DOZEN OF THOSE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I GUESS WE JUST WRAPPED UP, THE E-MAIL THAT I SENT TO MARK, NOT ONLY SHOWS THE LOCATION, WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. SHOWS THE LOCATIONS WHERE WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND SHOWS THE LOCAONS WHE WE'RE UNDER DESIGN AND THE REMAINING LOCATIONS WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE THOSE TYPES OF IMPROVEMENTS. THE MEMO ALSO TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE COST IMPACT IS. WE DIDN'T DO A BENEFIT COST BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE TIME, KIND OF A SHORT TIMELINE TO LOOK AT BUT THE BENEFIT, THE ONE-YEAR BENEFIT ON AVERAGE FOR ONE ADDITIONAL LANE, EITHER LEFT OR RIGHT, I'LL JUST LUMP THEM TOGETHER, WAS $133,000 PER YEAR. THAT'S THE BENEFIT TO THE MOTORIST IN REDUCED DELAY, REDUCED FUEL CONSUMPTION. ITLSO REDUCES STOPS WHEN THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. DID INCLUDE THAT. IT ALSO REDUCES THE EMISSION AND IMPROVES TRAVEL TIME ONCE IT'S IMPLEMENTED. >> Smith: GREAT. AND I THINK THE OTHER THING I KNOW WE'RE WORKING ON AS WELL IS -- I ALWAYS CALL IT LIVE TRAFFIC MONITORING, BUT REALLY GETTING MORE EFFICIENT AT LIGHT TIMING AND EVEN OVERRIDING LIGHT TIMING SOMETIMES IN REALTIME BASED ON TRAFFIC BACKED UP AND SNARLS. I KNOW THAT'S COMING ONLINE DOWN THE ROAD TOO. >> COECT. >> Smith: I THINK THES COMBINED WILL DEFINITELY HELP US. I'M LIKE YOU, I'VE BEEN DRIVING AROUND PLANO NOW FOR 37 YEARS, AND I WAS HERE WHEN WE DIDN'T WORRY ABOUT HAVING TRAFFIC JAMS, AND NOW IT'S GETTING TO REALLY BE WHERE I SEE IT QUITE A BIT AND I DO HEAR FROM CONSTITUENTS THAT HAVE ISSUES FROM TIME TO TIME. I THINK WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I STILL WOULD RECOMMEND DOING A TEMPORARY MOCKUP JUST TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHILE WE CAN DO IT BEFORE WE FINALIZE IT. WE MIGHT END UPCOMING BACK TO CHANGE. >> Mayor Muns: LET'S WRAP IT UP. >> Williams: QUICKLY, I WOULD FEEL BETTER WH HOLISTIC MOCKUP. I KNOW YOU CAN'T SIMULATE TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE FUTURE COLLIN CREEK, BUT IF WE COULD ANALYZE THE TRAFFIC COMING TO AND FROM WHERE WE WOULD ANTICIPATE IT WOULD BE RELATED TO THE TWO DEVELOPMENTS AND JUST TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT WOULD FACTOR INTO THE KEY INTERSECTIONS, THAT WOULD MAKE ME FEEL BETTER AS WELL. THANK YOU ALL. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THE STUDY. WE APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION WE GOT DURING PRELIMINARY OPEN. IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE. OUR NEXT ITEM IS CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDAS. WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE?CILMEMBER - >> Ricciardelli: ITEM H, MAYOR. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION ON FUTURE AGENDAS? OKAY. WE WILL TAKE A RECESS AND RETURN AT 7:00. >> Mayor Muns: I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IS RECONVENED INTO OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. MAYOR PRO TEM KAYCI PRINCE WILL BE ON ZOOM. WE'LL BEGIN TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING WITH THE INVOCATION LED BY PASTOR SAM FENCEROY, MT. OLIVE CHURCHFPLANO. AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND TEXAS PLEDGE LED BY GIRL SCOUT TROOP 8861. WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE? >> LET US PRAY. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOODNESS AND FOR YOUR KINDNESS. WE THANK YOU, ASK THAT YOU DIRECT THIS MEETING TONIGHT. WE THANK YOU FOR THE SERVICE YOU'VE CALLED TO GOVERN THIS GREAT CITY. WE PRAY, GOD, THEY WOULD BE USED AS YOUR INSTRUMENTS AND YOU WILL BE GLORIFIED. FOR THAT, WE HONOR YOU AND GIVE YOU PRAISE IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN. >> PLEASE JOIN US IN RECITING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, FOLLOWED BY THE TEXAS PLEDGE. (PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE) (TEXAS PLEDGE) >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. BE SEATED. LET'S TAKE A PICTURE. THANK YOU,. APPRECIATE IT. [ APPLAUSE ] GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PRESENTATIONS AND SOME PROCLAMATIONS TO READ. THIS MORNING AT THE FIRE STATION NUMBER 1, WE REMEMBERED THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES, SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2001. AND WE READ A PROCLAMATION IN THAT REGARD. WE DO THIS -- WE'VE DONE IT EVERY YEAR SINCE 2001. AND SO I THOUGHT I'D READ YOU A COUPLE OF LINES THAT WAS IN THE PROCLAMATION, WHEREAS ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2023, WILL MARK THE 22nd ANNIVERSARY OF THE DEADLY ATTACKS ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER IN NEW YORK CITY. THE PENTAGON, AND IN WASHINGTON, D.C. AND THE CRASH OF A PLANE IN PENNSYLVANIA, WHERE PASSENGERS HEROICALLY OVERTOOK HIJACKERS. AND WHEREAS WE GATHER EACH YEAR TO REFLECT ON THE UNFATHOMABLE LOSSE EXPERIENCED AS A NATION WITH THE DEATHS OF 343 NEW YORK FIREFIGHTERS, 23 POLICE OFFICERS, 37 PORT AUTHORITY OFFICERS, AND NEARLY 3,000 PEOPLE AS A RESULT OF THESE TERRORISTIC ATTACKS. AND WHEREAS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE OF THE CITY OF PLANO, IT STANDS VIGILANT IN OUR COMMITMENT TO MAINTAINING A SAFE CITY AND PROVIDING OUR FIRST RESPONDERS WITH THE RESOURCES THEY NEED SO THEY CAN CONTINUE TO DO THEIR JOBS COMMENDABLY. SO IT WAS A VERY SOLEMN PRESENTATION THIS MORNING WITH OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND POLICE OFFICERS THERE. BUT I WANTED EVERYBODY TO KNOW THIS WAS A REMEMBRANCE OF THOSE THAT LOST THEIR LIVES. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING ME READ THAT. I'D NOW LIKE TO CALL FORWARD CARRIE LITTLE, DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, AND CARRIE, WE ARE GOING TO CELEBRATE STEMB PREPAREDNESS MONTH, SEPTEMBER 2023. SO I'M GOING TO READ THIS. WHEREAS NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH CREATES AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PLANO COMMUNITY TO FOCUS ON PREPARING HOMES BUSINESSES CHURCHES SCHOOLS, INSTITUTIONS WITH AN ALL-HAZARD APPROACH FOR ANY INCIDENT OR EVENT. NATURAL OR HUMAN CAUSED. EMERGENCIES COME IN MANY FORMS AND CAN STRIKE ANYWHERE IN AMERICA. AND WHEN THEY HAPPEN, OUR NATION MUST ENSURE THAT COMMUNITIES HAVE THE SUPPORT AND RESOURCES THEY NEED TO RESPOND AND RECOVER. AND WHEREAS ALL PLANO RESIDENTS ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE IN MANY CITIZEN PREPAREDNESS ACTIVITIES AND TO REVIEW THE MANY INFORMATIVE WEBSITES OR THE PREPARE IN PLANO SOCIAL MEDIA FEEDS TO BECOME BETTER INFORMED ON PREPAREDNESS TOPICS. AND WHEREAS THE LOSS OF LIFE AND PROPERTY CAN BE GREATLY REDUCED IF APPROPRIATE PLANNING IS INSTITUTED BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER DISAER. NOW, THEREFORE, I JOHN MUNS, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PLANO, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 2023 IS NATIONAL PREPAREDNESS MONTH IN PLANO. AND I DO THEREBY ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN ME AND THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IN RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF PREPAREDNESS AND WORKING TOGETHER TO ENHANC OUR RESILIENCE AND READINESS IN THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE. CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. [ APPLAUSE ] >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR, AND COUNCIL, FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND FOR HELPING US TO PREPARE OUR COMMUNITY. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET'S GIVE HER A HAND. >> THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] >> Mayor Muns: SO NOW IT'S REALLY OUR PLEASURE TO READ A PROCLAMATION ABOUT ONE OF THE BIGGEST EVENTS, IF NOT THE BIGGEST EVENT, THAT WE HAVE IN THIS IS THE H-E-B CENTRAL MARKET PLANO BALLOON FESTIVAL. AND I'D LIKE TO CALL FORWARD JOE VIE. WHERE DID YOU GO? OH, YOU'RE RIGHT THERE. [ LAUGHTER ] THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE H-E-B/CENTRAL MARKET PLANO BALLOON FESTIVAL. AND I'D LIKE TO ALSO INVITE ANY BALLOON FESTIVAL BOARD MEMBERS, IF YOU'RE HERE. >> THEY'RE HERE. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY, YES. I KNEW THEY'D BE HERE. [ APPLAUSE ] COME ON DOWN. SO THIS IS SUCH AN EXCITING ENT FOR US. AND IT JUST HAS GROWN AND GROWN AND GROWN EVERY SINGLE YEAR. SO WHEREAS IN 1979, JIM AND HAFFERLY MARSHAL SET UP THE BALLOON ACADEMY OF TEXAS, A LOVE FOR HOT AIR BALLOONS INSPIRED THEM TO OFFER BALLOON RIDES TO THOSE ATTENDING THE CITY'S FOURTH OF JULY CELEBRATION. THIS SIMPLE ACT LED TO THE LAUNCH OF THE ANNUAL BALLOON FESTIVAL. AND WHEREAS OVER THE FOUR DECADES, THE LOVE OF HOT AIR BALLOONS HAS GROWN EXPONENTIALLY IN PLANO. CITIZENS OF ALL AGES AND VISITORS ALIKE CONTINUE TO BE MESMERIZED BY THE MANY HOT AIR BALLOONS DOTTING THE PLANO SKIES EACH FALL DURING THE BALLOON FESTIVAL. THIS SIGNATURE EVENT HAS ATTRACTED HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF VISITORS TO PLANO. AND WHEREAS THIS YEAR'S KICKOFF EVENT STARTS ON THURSDAY EV EVENING, THE 21st. IT'S NOT ON HERE. SO I -- WITH A SPECIAL OUTDOOR CONCERT PERFORMANCE BY THELANO SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA, LED BY MAESTRO HECTOR GUZMAN. NOW THEREFORE, I JOHN B. MUNS, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PLANO DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 21st THROUGH SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 24th, 2023, AS THE H-E-B CENTRAL MARKET PLANO BALLOON FESTIVAL DAYS IN PLANO. AND I DO THEREBY ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN ME AND THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IN INVITING CAPITALF TEXAS FOR THIS LLOON WONDERFUL EVENT. CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] >> WELL, JUST LIKE ALWAYS, WE HAVE REALLY BIG PLANS. SO BE SURE THAT YOU MARK THIS ON YOUR CALENDAR, LIKE MAYOR MUNS SAID. SEPTEMBER 21st THROUGH THE 24th. WE'LL HAVE BALLOONS. WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING NEW THIS YEAR HIGH IN THE TEXAS SKY, DRONE SHOW ON FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY NIGHT. THAT'S A FIRST FOR US. DUE TO SOME DROUGHTONTIONS WE'RE EXPERIENCING, NO FIREWORKS. BUT DRONES, ABSOLUTELY. SO WE'RE EXCITED TO SHOWCASE THAT THIS YEAR, AND WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU ALL THERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. [ APPLAUSE ] >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU SO MUCH. CAN'T WAIT. OUR LAST PRESENTATION IS THE PLANO CITIZENS ACADEMY, AND WE'RE HONORING THEM FOR THE 2022/2023 GRADUATES. SO I'D LIKE TO CALL FORWARDSHAWNA HAILEY, DIRECTOR AND CHRIS PUGA, ACADEMY GRADUATE. I'D LIKE TO ASK ALL THE GRADUATES TO COME FORWARD AND ANYLASSVER OUR RESIDENCY OPPORTUNITY. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN ABOUT OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ON IN THE CITY OF PLANO. SO I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE ALL OF YOU FOR BEING A PART OF THIS PROGRAM. WE JUST THINK IT'S GREAT. AND CONGRATULATIONS. >> ALL RIGHT, YES, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET EVERYONE SQUEEZED DOWN HERE. WE'LL GET BALANCED OUT. CITIZENS ACADEMY IS 12-MONTH PROGRAM. THE FOLKS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HAVE BEEN IN CLASS ONCE A MONTH SINCE LAST OCTOBER, LEARNING ALL OF THE INS AND OUTS OF HOW OUR CITY GOVERNMENT WORKS, FROM CITY MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET TO TODAY WE LEARNED ABOUT WAYS THAT WE CAN VOLUNTEER AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. THIS IS A FANTASTIC WAY TO GET KIND OF A FOUNDATIONAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE INS AND OUTS OF WHAT IT TAKES TO SERVE AS THE CITY, SERVE OUR RESIDENTS AND SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. I KNOW THEY'RE ALL VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE NEXT STE OF INVOLVEMENT. SO TONIGHT, WE'RE REALLY THRILLED TO HAVE ONE OF OUR CLASS MEMBERS SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT HE'S LEARNED. >> TRUST ME, I'LL KEEP IT SHORT. [ LAUGHTER ] ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SHAWNA, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. IT HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS PRIVILEGE TO BE PART OF THIS PLANO CITIZENS ACADEMY COHORT AND HAVE THE HONOR TO REFLECT ON MY EXPERIENCE ALONG THE WAY. I MOVED TO PLANO WITH MY WIFE AND STEPSON IN APRIL OF LAST YEAR. BECAUSE OF THE VAST PROGRAMS AND INITIATIVES THE CITY HAD TO OFFER TO INCLUDE THIS ACADEMY. I WAS OVER JOYED TO LEARN THAT I WAS ACCEPTED INTO THIS PROGRAM JUST BEFORE LEAVING OUT OF STATE TO CONDUCT TRAINING WITH MY ARMY RESERVE UNIT IN THE ALWAYS BRISK AND DELIGHTFUL WEATHER OF THE MOJAVE DESERT. THE ACADEMY TAUGHT ME SO MUCH, INCLUDING SPEEDY 911 SERVICES AND ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE BACK THE IGHBHOODS IN A SWIFT CES TO MANNER. I WOULD SAY ONE OF THE MOST IMPACTFUL SITE VISITS FOR ME PERSONALLY WAS TO THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT WHERE I LEARNED AND THEN ENROLLED TO BECOME A MEMBER OF PLANO'S COMMUNITY RESPONSE TEAM WHERE I'VE BEEN TRAINED TO ASSIST FIRST RESPONDERS IN CASE OF A LOCAL NATURAL DISASTER OR TIME OF CRISIS. THE MEMORIES AND LESSONS I HAVE LEARNED DURING THIS PAST YEAR HAVE TRULY MOTIVATED ME TO BE FURTHER INVOLVED WITH MY COMMUNITY, INCLUDING ENROLLING TO BECOME A REPRESENTATIVE OF TWO CITY COMMISSIONS AFTER VISITING THE LATEST EVENT AT THE PLANO EVENT CENTER JUST LAST MONTH. I COULD NEVER HAVE ASKED FOR A MORE ACCOMMODATING AND FRIENDLY ACADEMY COORDINATOR, WHICH SHAWNA HAS BEEN FOR ME AND THE REST OF OUR COHORT. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK ABOUT MY TIME WITH THE TENTH EVER PLANO CITIZENS ACADEMY. I ENCOURAGE ANYONE WHO HAS NOT GONE THROUGH THE PROGRAM TO DO SO. NOT JUST FOR THE FREE GOODIES PEOPLE GET FOR ATTENDING MEETINGS BUT TO EXPERIENCE WHAT OUR GREAT CITY OF PLANO, TEXAS, HAS TO OFFER AND WHAT YOU AS A PROUD CITIZEN, CAN GIVE BACK YOUR GREATER COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] >> LET'S GET CENTERED. >> Mayor Muns: NO, YOU'RE FINE. >> I'M NOT BLOCKING THE MAYOR. [ LAUGHTER ]. >> NOT TODAY. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. [ APPLAUSE ] >> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITE THAARE ON THE RRENT AGENDA. THE COUNCIL MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION. THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. AND JUST AS A REMINDER, PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH OR YELL INTO THE MICROPHONE AS YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM. AND WE DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS THIS EVENING. THE FIRST ONE IS DARREL RODENBAUGH. >> Mayor Muns: BEFORE WE BEGIN, LET ME JUST REMIND EVERYBODY THE RULES OF CONDUCT. SO THE RESIDENTS HAVE THE RIGHT TO CRITICIZE POLICIES, PROCEDURES, PROGRAMS, AND SERVICES. BUT SPEAKERS MUST STICK TO THE TIME LIMITS AND STAY ON TOPIC. BE RESPECTFUL AND COURTEOUS TO COUNCIL, STAFF, OTHER SPEAKERS, AND THOSE IN ATTENDANCE AT THE MEETING. BEHAVIOR THAT FAILS TO YIELD THE FLOOR WHEN THE SPEAKER'S TIME IS CONCLUDED IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE AGENDA ITEM OR CITY BUSINESS, REPEATEDLY INTERRUPTS A COUNCILMEMBER, DISTURBS THE ORDER OF THE MEETING, INVOLVES USIVE, VULG, A OBSCENE ILE, LANGUAGE, AND INTENDS TO BREAK UP THE COUNCIL MEETING WITH PROLONGED LOUD YELLING OR CLAPPING IS PROHIBITED. WHEN YOU SIGNED A FORM TO SPEAK, THIS WAS ACTUALLY ON THAT SAME FORM. SO THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I'M DARREL RODENBAUGH, A PROUD PLANO RESIDENT AND WITH THE NONPROFIT NORTH TEXAS PERFORMING ARTS. I'M JOINED BY THE FOUNDER, SARA ACRES, AND I AWAGON FULL OF PEANUT BUTTER FOR THE NORTH TEXAS FOOD DRIVE WE WANT TO CONTRIBUTE. WE BROUGHT OVER 300,000 VISITORS TO PLANO-BASED STAGES AND HOME OF THE LARGEST YOUTH ORGANIZATION IN THE COUNTRY, ENABLING OVER 11,000 CHILDREN TO I TAKE THE STAGE. NEXT YEAR, OVER 220 PRODUCTIONS ON A DOZEN STAGES, OUR NONPLANO OPERATIONS POSITIVELY CONTRIBUTE TO HELP UNDERWRITE PLANO-BASED OVERHEAD IN 8 OF THE 10 PERFORM IN PLANO BRINGING IN CLOUDS FROM DALLAS, FRISCO, AND BEYOND TO PLANO VENUES. FIRST, I AM PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE OUR 13th ANNUAL CHRISTMAS TRADITION OF SCROOGE, THE MUSICAL, PERFORMING EXCLUSIVELY ON PLANO STAGES IN THE 112th PERFORMANCE. WE'LL BE JOINED THIS YEAR BY THE EXCEPTIONAL TALENT OF COUNCILMAN SHELBY WILLIAM, FEATURING VOCALSES AND DANCING PROWESS. YOU WON'T WANT TO MISS THAT. CONGRATULATIONS, AND BREAK A LE COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. WE RECOGNIZE PERFORMING ARTS LEADERS AND VOLUNTEERS IN OUR REGION. LAST YEAR WE HONORED PEOPLE ACROSS THE REGION, INCLUDING THE PLANO SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA, AREA PISD SCHOOLTEACHERS AND MORE. AMONG THIS YEAR'S HONOREES INCLUDE LEADERS IN THE PLANO CHORUS, CHILDREN'S CHORUS AND OTHER ARTS LEADERS ACROSS NORTH TEXAS. IT IS MY HONOR TO ANNOUNCE THIS YEAR'S HONOREE FOR DISTINGUISHED ARTS ADVOCATE, AN AWARD WHICH CELEBRATES AN ARTS LEADER WITH AN IMPACT OF THE ARTS IN OUR REGION. THIS YEAR'S AWARD GOES TO AN ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM OF ART SUPPORTERS, MAKING PLANO THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE FOR THE ARTS. A TEAM MEETS, PRESENTING FINDINGS TO TEAM COUNTERPARTS IN THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL WHERE IT'S ADOPTED AND EXECUTED BY AN INCREDIBLE STAFF AT THE CITY OF PLANO. WE WORK WITH A DOZEN MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS THE CITY O EXCELLENCE, OFFERING ONE OF THE MOST PROGRESSIVE AND SUPPORTIVE ARTS ENVIRONMENTS IN THE REGION THROUGH ITS BESTN-CLAS FAIR AND OBJECTIVE GRANT PROCESS TO ALLOCATE HOTEL/MOTEL FUNDS. OUR PANEL CHOSE AS ONE OF THIS YEAR'S PERFORMING ARTS ADVOCATES THE PLANO CULTURAL AFFAIRS CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION AND THE CITY OF PLANO. >> 20 SECONDS. >> WE HOPE YOU CAN JOIN US TO RECEIVE YOUR WELL-DESERVED RECOGNITION AT THE STAR DUST AWARDS GALA ON NOVEMBER 4th AT THE INCREDIBLE MARRIOTT LEGACY HOTEL. PERFORMANCES FROM OUR OWN AWARD-WINNING COLLEGIATE PERFORMANCES. AND YOURUPPO FOR THE ARTS.HIP >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, DARREL. THANK YOU FOR THE PEANUT BUTTER. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ALEXANDER STEIN. >> I JUST WANT TO START OFF BY -- SEE, LOOK HOW THE GUY SHOOTS ME? CAN'T EVEN SEE ME. I WANT TO START OFF BY TAKIN A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR ALL THE VICTIMS S OF 9/11, THE 3,000 IN AMERICA AND 1.4 (INDISCERNIBLE) MUSLIMS THAT DIED FOR WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THAT DID NOT EXIST. I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE REDACTED REPORT THAT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT SAUDI ARABIA AND THE TERROR ATTACKS. IT'S SIMILAR TO THE GOVERNMENT CORRUPTION I'M PLACING HERE IN PLANO. THAT'S WHY I HANDED THE CITY SECRETARY THIS BECAUSE I'M SUING YOUR ASS AND YOU ARE NOT THE ARBITURE OF FREE SPEECH. I KNOW YOU THINK PLANO IS THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE. IT'S THE CITY OF LAWSUITS NOW. I'M SUING YOU AND I'M GOING TO GET OLIVE GARDEN MONEY. YOU'RE GOING TO PAY ME. YOU DON'T KNOW THE LAWS. YOU THINK YOU GET TO SUPERSEDE THE LAW. I KNOW YOUR BRAIN IS NOT VERY SMART, BUT YOU DON'T GET TO SUPERSEDE THE CONSTITUTION, BUDDY. YOU'VE GOT SHELBY WILLIAMS DOING SONG AND DANCE. HE LOVES TO DANCE. WHY CAN'T I COME UP AND DANCE? RICCIARDELLI DID SHOW TUNES IN HIGH SCHOOL. YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF THEATER NERDS. I DO A PERFORMANCE AND YOU GET BUTT HURT AND SHUT OFF THE CAMERA. IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A COWARD, MAYOR. LOOK AT YOU, SHELBY, YOU GET TO BE AN ACTOR. PRIME TIME 99. I HAVE A SHOW ON BLAZE TV. I WORK FOR GLENN BECK. I'M NOT DOING VOLUNTEER THEATER. I'M THE REAL PIMP ON A BLIMP. WHEN I SUE YOUR ASS AND I WIN, I'M COMING HERE SO MANY BUTT-NAKED HOS AND WE'RE GOING TO BE DANCING AND PRANCING AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO STOP ME BECAUSE I'M THE PIMP ON A BLIMP. LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS VIDEO. OH, ALEX STEIN IS IN THE CITY COUNCIL ROOM MAKING A FUNNY VIDEO. WHAT ARE YOU DOING FOR THE PEANUT BUTTER THING? LET'S WATCH THIS VIDEO AGAIN. MAYOR MUNS, I THINK MARIA TU, THE ASIAN WOMAN, IS THE ONLY ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE SHE'S AN ATHLETE. YOU'RE THROWING THE PEANUT BUTTER. DID YOUR DAD EVER PLAY CATCH WITH YOU? IT'S HYPOCRITICAL I COME IN HERE AND CREATE CONTENT ANDOU GS GET BUTT HURT. TEACHERS ARE ALLOWED TO SPEAK ABOUT DISGUSTING THINGS TO STUDENS, TEACHING KIDS ABOUT MASTURBATION, YOU SHUT ME DOWN. I'M TRYING TO SHOW HYPOCRISY, AND YOU SHUT ME DOWN. I'M GOING TO GET PAID. >> 20 SECONDS. >> I'M PRIME TIME 99 ALEX STEIN. MAYOR MUNS, YOU'RE GOING TO LEARN A LESSON. I HATE TO DO IT THIS WAY. YOU LET RICCIARDELLI SPEND ALL RICCIARDLI ITHE SHOW TUNE UNES. QUEEN. SHELBY IS ACTING. YET, IF I PUT ON A THEATRICAL PERFORMANCE, YOU SHUT ME DOWN. YOU'RE GOING TO LEARN THE HARD WAY WHEN I SEE YOU IN COURT. SEE YOU IN COURT. THANKS, MAYOR MUNS. >> Mayor Muns: CONSENT AGENDA. >> THE CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTROVERSIAL. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION BY A COUNCIL MEMBER, THE CITY MANAGER OR ANY CITIZEN. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS. >> Ricciardelli: MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA EXCEPT FOR ITEM H. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM H. PLEASE VOTE. HOW DO YOU VOTE, KAYCI? CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> Prince: YES. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES 8-0. ITEM H. >> City Clerk: ITEM H. TO RATIFY AN EXPENDITURE IN THE AMOUNT OF $185,000 FOR ONE (1) 4X4 CREW CAB BUCKET TRUCK FROM RING POWER FOR FLEET SERVICES; AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. >> THERE WAS A POTENTIAL CONFLICT WITH A COUNCILMEMBER. THAT WAS THE REASON THIS WAS PULLED DOWN. >> MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM H. >> SECOND. >>ayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE AOTIO A A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM H. PLEASE VOTE. >> Prince: YES. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, KAYCI. MOTION PASSES 7 WITH ONE ABSTENTION. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM. >> City Clerk: PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL, IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY AMEND THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. NONPUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY, AND MAY INCLUDE A CUMULATIVE TIME LIMIT. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER REQUESTS ARE RECEIVED UNTIL THE CUMULATIVE TIME IS EXHAUSTED. ITEM NUMBER ONE. PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PROPOSED TAX RATE OF $0.4176 PER $100 OF VALUATION FOR FISCAL YEAR 2023-24. THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD ON AUGUST 8th, 2023. >> GOOD EVENING. THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE TAX RATE, AS LISA MENTIONED. THIS IS THE SECOND ONE THAT WE HAVE DONE. ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS TO ADOPT A TAX RATE THAT IS OVER THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE. RIGHT NOW IT'S 41.76 CENTS WITH 40.26 CENTS GOING TO THE OPERATING SIDE AND 11.5 TO THE DEBT. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, KAREN. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> City Clerk: THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> City Clerk: THERE'S NO ACTION ON THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE'LL VOTE NEXT. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. >> City Clerk: ITEM NUMBER TWO. CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO APPROVE AND ADOPT THE TAX RATE FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2023 AND TERMINATING SEPTEMBER 30, 2024; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> GOOD EVENING. THIS IS TO ACTUALLY ADOPT THE TAX RATE AT 41.76 CENTS PER $100 OF ASSESSED PROPERTY VALUATION. >> SECTION 2605 B OF THE PROPERTY TAX CODE, I MOVE THAT THE PROPERTY TAX RATE BE INCREASED BY THE ADOPTION OF TAX RATE OF 0.4176, WHICH IS EFFECTIVELY AN 8.05 INCREASE IN THE TAX RATE, MR. MAYOR. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANKS. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST HAD SOME COMMENT. I WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT I SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THE BUDGET TO INCREASE COMPENSATION FOR OUR EXCELLENT EMPLOYEES. I'LL BE VOTING YES ON THE ITEMS RELATING TO PAY FOR POLICE AND FIRE. BUT THIS GOES BEYOND PUBLIC SAFETY. IT EXTENDS TO EVERY EMPLOYEE BECAUSE IT TAKES EVERYONE TO MAKE TEAM PLANO SO EXCELLENT. SO I SUPPORT EVERY DOLLAR THAT IS IN THIS BUDGET FOR EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION. THE 4.5% ACROSS THE BOARD RAISE, THE COMPENSATION PHILOSOPHY STUDY AND MARKET ADJUSTMENTS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AND ALL OF US THAT PLANO REMAIN AN EXCELLENT EMPLOYER. I DO THINK WE COULD HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE WERE DOING FOR THE EMPLOYEES WHILE STILL MITIGATING THE INCREASE THAT TAXPAYERS ARE GOING TO SEE AS A RESULT OF THE INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES AND MAINTAINING THE SAME PROPERTY TAX RATE AS LAST YEAR. I'VE TALKED ABOUT THESE AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS SO I WON'T BELABOR THE POINT. BUT I BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE DONE THE IDEA ABOUT THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FUND $5 MILLION DECREASE IN THE GENERAL FUND TRANSFER TO THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE FUND BECAUSE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, VERY LIKELY, AS LONG AS DART CONSIDERS US TO BE IN GOOD STANDING, TO GET FUNDS THAT WE CAN USE FOR THOSE PROJECTS ANYWAY. SECONDLY, AS I'VE TALKED ABOUT -- AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THIS MORE IN COMING MEETINGS, BUT FEES. I'LL GIVE THE EXAMPLE OF GYM FEES. I'M A REC CENTER MEMBER. I LOVE GOING TO THE MUEHLENBECK CENTER, BUT WHEN HOMEOWNERS ARE SEEING A 10% INCREASE IN THEIR PROPERTY TAX BILL, EMPLOYEES ARE SEEING A 15% INCREASE IN HEALTH PREMIUMS, THERE'S NO REASON THAT GYM FEES SHOULD NOT BE GOING UP 10% TO 15%. THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF FEES THAT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT MAKING SURE WE'RE NOT JUST USING PROPERTY TAXES TO FILL THAT GAP, BUT THAT FEES ARE COMMENSURATE TO THE SERVICE WE'RE DELIVERING. BECAUSE GENERALLY SPEAKING I BELIEVE FEES ARE PREFERABLE TO PROPERTY TAXES BECAUSE FEES FALL DIRECTLY ON THOSE USING THE SERVICE, WHEREAS PROPERTY TAXES FALL ON EVERYONE. WE'VE TALKED AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS ABOUT HOW A HOMEOWNER UNDER THIS BUDGET WHO HAS A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION BUT NO OTHER EXEMPTIONS WILL SEE A 10.2% INCREASE IN THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THEIR TAXES. WE KNOW ALSO THERE'S GOING TO BE A 20% INCREASE IN SOLID WASTE RATES AND WATER RATES ARE GOING TO INCREASE ALSO. I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE USING 1.16 CENTS OF ROLLOVER INCREMENT THIS YEAR OUT OF THE 2.95 CENTS THAT HAS ACCRUED OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS. THAT'S MORE THAN ONE-THIRD OF THE AVAILABLE ROLLOVER INCREMENT. AND WE HAVE THREE YEARS TO USE IT. SO AT THIS PACE, WE WOULD POTENTIALLY BE ON PACE TO USE ALL OF IT. AND I HOPE THAT IS NOT WHAT WILL HAPPEN, BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT THAT'S THE PACE THAT WE'RE SETTING FOR OURSELVES TONIGHT. AND IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, IT WOULD BE LIKE THE PREVIOUS THREE YEARS WHERE WE WERE AT OR NEAR THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE NEVER HAPPENED AND WE WERE INSTEADT THE MAXIMUM VOTER APPROVAL RATE EVERY YEAR. SO I DO THINK -- I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I WRESTLED WITH THIS VOTE PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF CONCERNS ABOUT HOW IT WOULD BE MISINTERPRETED. IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME TO MAKE SURE THAT TEAM PLANO KNOWS THAT WE SUPPORT THEM. FIRST OF ALL, I WAS WORRIED THAT -- BY THE WAY, AFTER WRESTLING WITH THIS, I'VE DECIDED I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN FROM THIS VOTE. I'M NOT VOTING AGAINST. I JUST CAN'T BE ALL IN ON VOTING . I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS NOT MISINTERPRETED AS NOT SUPPORTING ALL OF THE EMPLOYEE PAY INCREASES. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. AND I'M ALSO WORRIED THAT A BUDGET VOTE CAN SOMETIMES BE MISINTERPRETED AS A VOTE REGARDING CONFIDENCE IN CITY MANAGEMENT. I WANT TO SAY I THINK MARK ISREALSON IS THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS. I WANT TO THANK KAREN AND THE BUDGET RESEARCH TEAM. PLANO IS STILL THE BEST VALUE AROUND. I KNOW WE TAKE AFFORDABILITY SERIOUSLY IN PLANO. I DO THINK IT'S IORTANT TO LOOK AT THE TWO-YEAR VIEW AND HOW FAR UNDER POPULATION GROWTH AND INFLATION WE WERE LAST YEAR. AND ALSO THE 20-YEAR VIEW, YOU KNOW, THAT SHOWS THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE NOT EXCEEDED POPULATION GROWTH IN INFLATION OVER TIME. NONETHELESS, I AM CONCERNED THAT WE'RE EMBARKING ON A NEW PATH WHERE WE'RE INCREASING PROPERTY TAXATION. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS DID SOME GREAT ANALYSIS OF THE PAST 20 YEARS, CREATED THAT GREAT CHART, AND SHOWED THAT WE'VE HAD PERIODS OF HIGH GROWTH AND PERIODS OF RESTRAINT. AND I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE STARTING BACK ON A PERIOD OF INCREASE THIS YEAR. SO THERE ARE MANY THINGS. I'M NOT A MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY KIND OF GUY. I WOULD VOTE FOR A BUDGET HIGHER THAN WHAT I WLD HAVE NE. IF I WERE TO VOTE FOR THIS, I WOULD JUST BE GOING ALONG TO GET ALONG. AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US PTS EACH OTHER TO GOVERN THAT WAY. I'LL END WHERE I BEGAN. PLANO REMAINS THE BEST VALUE AROUND. I SUPPORT ABSOLUTELY EVERY DOLLAR THAT'S IN HERE FOR THE EMPLOYEES. WE HAVE TO DO THE 4.5 COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT AND THE MARKET ADJUS ADJUSTMENTS. OUR EMPLOYEES DESERVE IT. THE QUALITY OF SERVICE DEPENDS ON IT. WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO WHAT PEOPLE WILL SEE IN TERMS OF THE PROPERTY TAX BILL. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT WE'RE USING. I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN. I DON'T MEAN THIS TO BE A RED LIGHT BUT A YELLOW LIGHT. SO THANK YOU. >> Williams: JUST SOME BRIEF REMARKS. YES, THERE'S A 10.2% PROJECTED HOMESTEAD TAX INCREASE. THAT IS THE VERY FIRST IN TIF YEARS. AND I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT. I'VE WRESTLED WITH MANY OF THE SAME THINGS COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI HAS. ACCORDING TO THE ANALYSIS I DID THAT HE ALLUDED TO, THAT'S HALF OF WHAT CPI INFLATION WAS FOR OUR RESIDENTS DURING THE SAME TIME PERIOD. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT FOLKS UNDERSTAND NEARLY $4 MILLION WAS PIPED OFF THE TAX ROLLS WITHOUT APPROVAL BY THE PLANO CITY UNCIL. THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE UP, ABOUT HALF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO RATES, THE TAX RATE WE WERE DISCUSSING VENLT PLANO HAS THE LOWEST TAX RATE IN THE METROPLEX ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE AMONGST THE HIGHEST PROPERTY VALUES. A LOW TAX RATE TIMES A HIGH PROPERTY VALUE EQUALS YOUR TAX BILL. WHAT MAKES PLANO GATSN'T A LOW TAX RATE OR LOW TAXES OR HIGH SPENDING. IT'S THE VALUE YOU GET FOR YOUR DOLLARS THE ONLY REASON WE CAN CLAIM THAT IS BECAUSE OF OUR STAFF. THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT IT. BECAUSE OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, SEVERAL OF OUR METROPLEX COMPETITORS HAVE BECOME MORE COMPETITIVE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE REMAIN THE BEST HOME FOR THE MOST TALENTED STAFF AND WE ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR POSITION AS THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE MOVING FORWARD FOR NOT JUST YEARS BUT DECADES TO COME. ALL OF THAT SAID, BASED ON THE 20 YEARS OF ANALYSIS I DID, I BELIEVE WE HAVE ACHIEVED EQUILIBRIUM. THERE ARE SOME FACTORS SUCH AS THE DART REIMBURSEMENTS, WHICH I'M NOT GOING TO COUNT MY CHICKENS BEFORE THEY HATCH. AND WHAT WE CAN HOPE WILL BE A SALES TAX SURPLUS FOR THE CITY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE FUNDS BANKED TOWARDS NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, ASSUMING THEY MATERIALIZE AS WE HOPE SO THAT WE'RE NOT USING AN INCREMENT GOING FORWARD. AND ALSO HELPING FLESH OUT OUR RAINY DAY FUND. THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO WORK ON A LONG-TERM PHILOSOPHY FOR TAXING AND BUDGETING FOR THE CITY THAT RECOGNIZES THE EQUILIBRIUM WE'VE ACHIEVED AFTER, LET'S FACE IT, SOME YEARS OF TREMENDOUS UNCERTAINTY IN THE ECONOMY. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER TWO, WHICH WOULD BE THE TAX RATE. PLEASE VOTE. >> Prince: YES. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. MOTIONASSE 7 Y AND ONE ABSTENTION. ITEM THREE. >> ITEM THREE, CHAPTER 26 OF THE PROPERY TAX CODE, IF WE ARE GOING TO COLLECT EVEN ONE DOLLAR MORE THAN WE DID IN PROPERTY TAX REVENUE LAST YEAR, THIS IS JUST RECOGNIZING, IT'S RATIFYING THE TAX INCREASE THAT Y'ALL KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT ONE DOLLAR MORE. >> Tu: I MOVE TO ADOPT THIS, ENDING SEPTEMBER 2024. >> Williams: SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE. ANY COMMENTS? PLEASE VOTE. >> Prince: YESMENT. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES 7 YES, ONE ABSTENTION. ITEM FOUR. >> ITEM WITH AN EFFECTIVE DATE OF OCTOBER 1, 2023, AND PROVIDING A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> THE PARAMETERS FOR THIS ITEM ARE THE SAME AS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND WE ARE SETTING FORTH AND ASKING FOR THE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF THE ADJUSTED PAY PLAN BASED UPON THE NEW BUDGET FOR OUR CIVIL SERVICE POLICE EMPLOYEES. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, SHAWN. >> Ricciardelli: I SEE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM BECKONING M IILL MOVE FOR THE ADOPTION OF ITEM 7, THE AMENDED PAY PLAN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. >> Tu: SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7, PLEASE VOTE. >> MOTION PASSES 8-0. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I WANTED TO TAKE A QUICK MOMENT TO THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF THE EMPLOYEES FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN KEEPING THIS THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE, NOT ONLY ADDING TO THE COMPENSATION PLANS BUT THE POSITIONS THAT Y'ALL HAVE AUTHORIZED ARE MEANINGFUL TO KEEPING PLANO THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE, THIS WAS A VERY TOUGH BUDGET SEASON WHERE WE ALL DID A LOT MORE MATH AND SPREADSHEETS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAN WE'VE DONE IN ANY GIVEN YEAR, BUT THIS IS MEANINGFUL, AND THIS IS GOING TO KEEP PLANO THE BEST VALUE AND THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE AS WE GO FORWARD, BUT IT DOES NOT HAPPEN WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT, AND IT DOES NOT GO UNNOTICED. SO THANK EACH OF YOU FOR THIS. AND KAYCI, THANK YOUR FLIGHT ATTENDANT FOR PAYING ATTENTION AS YOU KEEP SAYING YES OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT ON THE PLANE SO THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: NEXT ITEM. >> City Clerk: ITEM NUMBER 8, CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT THE STREET DEFINED STANDARDS WHICH ARE MINIMUM STANDARDS TO BE FOLLOWED IN THE DESIGN AND DEVELOPMENT OF STREETS, THOROUGHFARES WALKWAYS APPURCHASE TEN NANCES WITHIN THE CITY, AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL AND EXECUTIVES, MY NAME IS MIKE BELL, PLANNING MANY MANAGER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO ADOPT THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, OVERVIEW WAS PROVIDED IN YOU'RE PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING INCLUDING A SUMMARY OF FEEDBACK RECEIVED. REMINDER, THIS IS THE FIRST OF SEVERAL ITEMS IN LINE WITH THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, AND THE OTHER ITEMS ARE PENDING APPROVAL OF THIS ONE ITEM. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL 7-0 WITH ONE ABSTENTION, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, ANY QUESTIONS TWO -- >> ACTUALLY, WASN'T GOING TO BE HERE TONIGHT, I CUT MY TIP SHORT SO I COULD BE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS. GET MY THREE MINUTES IN AND GET IT DONE. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE PUT OUR HEART AND SOUL INTO PLANO, ESPECIALLY DOWNTOWN. AS WELL AS A HUGE FINANCIAL INVESTMENT. I SENT ALL OF YOU AN E-MAIL ABOUT OUR THOUGHTS ON 14th STREET, AND I KNOW -- I HOPE ALL OF YOU GOT AN E-MAIL THAT I SEN O. I BELIEVE EVERYBODY HAS SEEN THE DRAWING. I APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME AND EFFORT PUT INTO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT PUT INTO THAT, AND OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON IT, BUT I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU WHAT I THINK ON 14th STREET ESPECIALLY. I KNOW THE PLAN IS CONCEPTUAL, WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO CONSIDER OUR CONCERNS. MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS REDUCING THE LANES ON 14th STREET. THIS IS A MAIN THOUGHFARE INTO DOWNTOWN PLANO. IF THIS IS REDUCED, IT WILL NOT JUST SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC, BUT WILL SLOW DOWN HOW MANY PEOPLE DRIVE INTO DOWNTOWN. THE LEFT TURN LANE AT AVENUE K WILL BACK UP SO MUCH THAT CARS WANTING TO GO STRAIGHT WILL BE STOPPED. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH SPACE BETWEEN MUNICIPAL AND AVENUE K TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING. ALSO CLOSING THE LEFT TURN LANE INTO THE PUBLIC PARKING LOT, GOING EAST ON 14th, WILL MAKE DRIVERS GO THE ENTIRE BLOCK TO GET INTO THAT LO. PLEASE DON'T VOTE ON THIS ENTIRE PLAN WITHOUT ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES. WE ARE COMING TO YOU BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IN THE BUSINESS GROWTH OF THIS CITY, AS WELL AS WHAT WE BELIEVE IN. THIS WILL NOT -- THIS WILL HARM OR GROWTH IF IF WE NARROW THIS DOWN TO ONE LANE. THIS IS A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE COMING INTO DOWNTOWN PLANO. PEOPLE WILL TAKE ALTERNATE ROUTES TO COME INTO DOWNTOWN. IT WILL AFFECT EVERY BUSINESS, NOT JUST ON 14th STREET, BUT EVERY BUSINESS IN PLANO. WE HAVE PARKING LOTS. THESE PARKING LOTS WILL BE AFFECTED. PEOPLE WON'T GO TO THOSE PARKING LOTS. I KNOW WE WANT TO SLOW TRAFFIC, BUT WE WANT TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THIS CITY, AND IF WE NARROW THIS STREET DOWN THERE'S NOT MANY OTHER AREAS TO COME INTO DOWNTOWN. THIS WILL AFFECT IT GREATLY. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. >> City Clerk: OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS HARD OVERBY, WHO WILL BE JOINING US VIA ZOOM. MR. OVERBY? HAROLD? HAD A -- THIS INFORMATION IN THE PRELIMINARY MEETING, THIS ITEM IS CONSIDERED OORPS ON THE STANDARDS. IS THERE ANY COMMENTS? COUNCILMEMBER HORNE? >> HORNE: YEAH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PASS THIS ON TO THE CITIZENS WHO ARE TUNING IN, AND THIS IS A PLAN, AND ANYTHING WE DO IN THE FUTURE WITH REGARD TO REDESIGN OF STREETS, IT'S GOING TO BE THOROUGHLY TESTED BOTH ELECTRONICALLY THROUGH MODELING, BUT ALSO WE'VE COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT WE THINK BEFORE WE GO FORWARD, WE'LL DO A MOCKUP, JUST TO SEE HOW TRAFFIC IS AFFECTED. MY BIGGEST CONCERN HERE IS WHEN I VISIT THE URBAN RESTAURANTS, ALL OF THEM, IS PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT NOW, PARTICULARLY DOWNTOWN. WE WANT DOWNTOWN TO BE VIBRANT. WE WANTED TO GROW. WE WANTED TO BE EXCITING. WE WANTED A DESTINATION. AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WHEN WE'RE CROSSING STREETS, AND WE WANT TO MAKE IT FRIENDLY FOR PEDESTRIANS, WITHOUT INTERPTING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC EAST, WEST, NORTH SOUTH. SO ANY OF THESE CHANGES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE, ANY CONCEPTUAL PLAN RIGHT NOW WILL OCCUR INCREMENTALLY OVER TIME, SO I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. YOU CAN'T DEVELOP, A CITY, A DISTRICT, WITHOUT HAVING A PLAN IN PLACE, AND THIS IS A GOOD PLACE TO START. NOW, LET ME REMIND YOU, PLANS CHANGE, CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS CHANGE. LOOK AT THE MICHIGAN JUG HANDLES ON LEGACY AND PRESTON. WE KNOW HOW SUCCESSFUL THAT WAS. NOT. BUT WE CHANGED BACK TO WAY IT WAS. SO THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO TELL EVERYBODY, THAT THIS IS A PLAN, AND I'VE LOOKED AT THIS COMP PLAN NOW THREE TIMES THROUGH VARIOUS ITERATIONS AND IT'S A START, BUT WE'RE THERE TO HELP OUR NEIGHBORS BOTH FROM THE BUSINESS AND RESIDENTIAL SIDE TO ENJOY DOWNTOWN, AND THE DOWNTOWN AREA IS UNIQUE IN ITSELF, BECAUSE WE HAVE LEGACY STREETS, WE HAVE NEW STREETS, WE HAVE PASEOS, ALL THOSE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT THROUGH THE TYPICAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU SEE. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF STANDARDS, AND FROM FOLLOWING FORWARD TAKEN FROM THE COMP PLAN THROUGH THE -- THE DESIGN STANDARDS TO THE ORDINANCES, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP OF US GETTING THERE. LET US ASSURE YOU, AND WE ALL TALKED ABOUT THIS AS A COUNCIL, WE WON'T GO FORWARD UNTIL WE HAVE ADDITIONAL INPUT FROM OUR NEIGHBORS DOWNTOWN. WE HAVE BOTH COMPUTER MODELS AND THEN ALSO HAVE MOCKUPS BEFORE ANYTHING IS EVER DETERMINED TO BE PERMANENT. IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT WHEN IT'S PERMANENT, WE'VE GOT ERASERS ON THOSE PENCILS AND WE CAN CHANGE IT BACK. SO THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANTED TO BRINGS A A COMMENT. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER? GO AHEAD. >> Holmer: I DID HAVE A QUESTION I FORGOT TO ASK EARLIER, A COUPLE, WHAT IF WE DON'T PASS THE PLAN TONIGHT, WHAT WOULD HAPN? >> THE EXISTING STANDARDS ARE IN PLACE FOR DOWNTOWN, THAT'S THE CITYWIDE SYSTEM, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A PRACTICAL FIT, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE IN PLACE. >> Holmer: OKAY. AND I ECHO EVERYTHING THAT COUNCILMEMBER HORNE SAID, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IF WE APPROVE THIS, AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PILOT, A MOCKUP BEFORE DOING ANYTHING PERMANENT WNTOWN HOW DOES THAT WORK? I MEAN, IS IT -- DOES IT -- IF IT GUESS GOES ON A CIP, UNTIL WE APPROVE THE CIP, WE HAVE TO SEE IT ON THE CIP. >> I HAD A MOMENT IN BETWEEN MEETINGS TO TALK WITH BRIAN ABOUT DOING A LITTLE BIT OF A PILOT AND DOING IT FOR A PERIOD OF PROBABLY SIX MONTHS. WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON DOWNTOWN, HOLIDAYS AND DIFFERENT ASPECTS, WE WANTED TO GIVE ENOUGH TIME TO GET A PRETTY GOOD PICTURE OF THINGS, BUT ALSO THE SCOPE AND MAGNITUDE OF THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THERE WAS SOME SUGGESTION OF DO ALL OF DOWNTOWN VERSUS DOING SECTIONS OF DOWNTOWN, AND I ASKED BAN TO THINK ABOUT THAT, AND THINK ABOUT A RESPONSE, SO IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS, BRIAN, WHAT WOULD YOUR RESPONSE BE? >> I WAS ACTUALLY VERY INTRIGUED BY COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, YOUR IDEA TO DO THE PILOT, WE'VE ALREADY SCHEDULED THE MEETING NEXT WEEK WITH PUBLIC WORKS, ENGINEERING PUBLIC WORKS TO BRAIN STORM HOW THIS -- HOW THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN. THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS DISCUSSION, SIGNALS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE REPLACED AS PART OF THIS, PAVEMENT MARKINGS, SIGNING, ONE OF THE ISSUES -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE POSBLY COULD DO, WE COULD SHUT DOWN CERTAIN LANES TO FACILITATE THIS, MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, THE PROBLEM IS GUARANTEED THAT CONSTRUCTION ZONE IS IN PLACE FOR 7 DAYS, AND THERE'S NOTHING HAPPENING IN IT, I'M GETTING CALLS, AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SEVERAL-MONTH TYPE TURN AROUND, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO POSSIBLY DO MORE PERMANENT SOLUTIONS, BUT WE HAD A MEETING SCHEDULED TO BRAIN STORM AND SEE HOW THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN. AS FAR AS THE SCHEDULING, THERE'S BEEN -- POSSIBLE DISCSION ABOUT DOING EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE. ESSENTIALLY, WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS, WE'VE GOT FIFTEENth IS ONE PROJECT, IS COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT FROM WHAT'S HAPPENING ON 14th, NOTHING CHANGES BETWEEN 15th AND 14th, AS FAR AS THE CONNECTOR ON AVENUE G. SO I PROBABLY PROPOSE TO SPLIT THEM UP, DO 15th AS ONE PROJECT AND LOOK AT 14th AS A SEPARATE PROJECT. YES SIR? >> I'M OPEN TO CONSIDERATION ON HOW TO GO ABOUT THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS I RAISED EARLIER I WANTED TO SEE SOMETHING HOLISTIC, UNDERSTANDING THAT 15th, AND 4th ARE TWO PROJECTS, PEOPLE ALTER THEIR DRIVING BEHAVIOR BASED ON CLOSURES OF ONE STREET, PERFECT EXAMPLE IS I'M NOT DRIVING ON PARKER CURRENTLY, WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION ON THERE, I'M JUST TAKING A DIFFERENT ROAD, BUT IF WE'RE MAKING CHANGES TO PARK AND PARKER SIMULTANEOUSLY THAT WILL BE A BETTER TALE AS TO WHAT THE -- WHAT THE EFFECT IS ON ONE OF THOSE ROADS. >> THAT IS ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD POINT. THANK YOU. >> AND COUNCIL, I THINK THE -- GIVEN THIS ASPECT, HAVE I NO PROBLEM WITH STAFF BEING ABLE TO MEET ON THIS AND TAKE SOME TIME TO PLAN OUT WHAT AN EFFECTIVE PILOT WOULD LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD. THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD STILL BE HAPPY TO BRIEF COUNCIL ON TO MAKE SURE THAT Y'ALL ARE AWARE OF WHAT IT WOULD ENTAIL, WHAT EXACTLY THE ELEMENTS WOULD LOOK LIKE. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE SOME COST TO THIS, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE DOING PAVEMENT MARKINGS AND IT'S REQUIRING SIGNALIZATION, I THINK IN ORDER TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT GIVES US VALUABLE FEEDBACK, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALLOW STAFF, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A PILOT, TO DO IT THE WHOLE WAY BRIAN. >> COUNCILMEMBER, HOLMER, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE COST, MAYBE USING CIP FUNDS, CIP FUNDS ARE USED FOR PERMANENT FUNDS, WE COULDN'T USE THOSE, BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE POSSIBLY TEMPORARY. >> Holmer: I WAS JUST MAKING SURE I UNDERSTAND WHEN -- WHEN SOMETHING WOULD TAKE PLACE, WHEN WOULD WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE? IF WE APPROVE IT, THE PLAN, THEN COULD IT JUST HAPPEN UNLESS WE CATCH IT ON THE CIP BUDGET, THEN HOW WLD WE KNOW IT'S COMING IS WHAT MY QUESTION REALLY WAS. I -- I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SO MUCH OF A QUESTION AS A COMMENT, I HAVE QUITE A FEW ACTUALLY. I GUESS IN MY MIND, I THOUGHT THAT IF THAT WERE TO WORK, THAT IT WOULD BE AFTER J PLACE -- NOT J, 13th WENT THROUGH, THAT THIS WOULD BE KIND OF A HOLISTIC. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO DERSTAND. WOULD WE MODEL LANE -- NARROWING THE LANES, THE STREETS PRIOR TO ANY CHANGES HAPPENING OUTSIDE OF THE DOWNTOWN? >> I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS LIKE 13th WILL DEPEND ON PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, MOST LIKELY. SO SOME OF THOSE -- I THINK BASED ON COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, WE'RE JUST GOING TO NEED TO DEVELOP A MODEL TO SEE WHAT'S MOST EFFECTIVE. SO WE'LL SIT DOWN AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT WITH ALL THE SMART ENGINEERS WE HAVE IN ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS AND DEVELOP A PLAN TO SEE REALLY WHAT MAKES SENSE. >> WELL, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SEGUE TO SAY THAT I THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO LOOK TO THIS PLAN -- AND I STILL HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE ABOUT THE PLAN. BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNCIL TO BE ON BOARD WITH COMMITTING TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF MAKING THE WHOLE PLAN WORK, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, WHERE NEEDED. AND SO I HOPE I CAN GET EVERYONE'S SUPPORT ON THAT. SOME OTHER COMMENTS, WHE I HEARD ABOUT THIS PLAN, I THINK COUNCILMEMBERS KNOW THERE'S A LOT ON EACH AGENDA, SO WE KNOW WHAT'S COMING UP AND WE CAN'T LOOK TOO FAR AHEAD. I MEAN, WE CAN. THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH TIME IN THE DAY. SO MY IMMEDIATE RESPONSE AS A FORMER DOWNTOWN BUSINESSOWNER WAS, OH, THAT SOUNDS CRAZY TO START MESSING WITH TRAFFIC AND LANES AND EVERYTHING. TO BE HONEST, AS I WATCHED THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND DID SOME MORE RESEARCH AND LOOKED INTO BEST PRACTICES AND LOOKED AT WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING AND EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT OUR METROPLEX AND SOME VERY POPULAR AREAS IN THE METROPLEX THAT HAVE A VERY SIMILAR DESIGN, I KIND OF -- YOU KNOW, I WAS VERY SKEPTICAL GOING INTO THIS. AND I WAS ACTUALLY VERY SURPRISED TO SAY, OKAY, I CAN SEE HOW THIS COULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR DOWNTOWN TO IMPROVE THE WALKABILITY, THE SAFETY, MAKE US A DESTINATION, A PLACE, YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE DO PARK AND HANG OUT AND WALK AROUND. BUT I DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS AS WELL. I THINK -- I APPRECIATED WHAT CITY MANAGER ISREALSON SAID ABOUT INCLUDING EVERYONE WITH STAFF AND TALKING ABOUT THE PILOT PROGRAM, BUT I THINK ESPECIALLY WE NEED TO BE INCLUDING THE BUSINESSOWNERS IN . AND INOW THAT YOU GUYS HAVE REACHED OUT AND REALLY APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE TIME AND EFFORT IN REPORTING BACK ON HOW THAT WAS DONE. AND EVEN IN THE NOTES ABOUT HOW YOU FELT IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THIS IS WHAT WE THINK IS BEST FOR DOWNTOWN. SO YEAH, WE COULD TAKE THIS OFF THE PLAN AND SAY, THIS ISN'T, YOU KNOW -- TAKE IT OFF AND NOT GIVE PEOPLE A HEADS UP. AS A FORMER BUSINESSOWNER THAT WENT THROUGH A PRETTY INTENSE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT I WASN'T ARE OF WHEN I COMMITTED AND SIGNED A LEASE AND SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON MY BUSINESS, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TRANSPARENCY. BUT I THINK IT'S ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE -- WHILE YOU'VE REACHED OUT, ALL OF THE MERCHANTS DOWN THERE AND BUSINESSOWNERS, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT THEIR DAY JOB. I MEAN, YOU GUYS DO AN EXCELLENT JOB. BUT THAT'S YOUR FOCUS. THEY'RE ALL RUNNING BUSINESSES, AND IT'S REALLY EASY, I MEAN, EVEN AS SERVING ON COUNCIL, IT'S REALLY EASY TO NOT REALIZE THIS IS COMING UP AND GO, WHOA, I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THIS. SO TO BE ENGROSSED IN YOUR BUSINESS AND THEN HEAR THIS, IT'S KIND OF A RUDE AWAKENING AND SHOCKING AND SCARY. AND I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THAT. SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. THE PILOT PROGRAM IS VERY IMPORTANT. BUT ALSO HOLISTICALLY, I THINK WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT -- I THINK IT ALL WORKS REALLY WELL TOGETHER. AND I THINK THAT -- I'VE HEARD CONCERNS FROM SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT MAY BE AFFECTED WITH THE STREET COMING THROUGH. AGAIN, APPRECIATE THE TRANSPARENCY. SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE, I'M NOT SURE IF THOSE ARE THE BEST SERVED FOR DOWNTOWN PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO START TALKING NOW WITH THEM AND FIND OUT HOW THEY CAN PLAN THEIR BUSINESS THE NEXT THREE YEARS, FIVE YES, AND BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS AND REALLY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE PART OF IT AND KNOW EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. I JUST THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. I KNOW THE SHAYS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT 14th STREET. I MEAN, THAT'S PROBABLY MY BIGGEST CONCERN AS FAR AS HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT DOWNTOWN, HOW IT WILL -- I THINK WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE CUTTING THROUGH DOWNTOWN. I ASKED SOMEONE THAT WAS INVOLVED WHEN MUNICIPAL -- NOT MUNICIPAL -- AVENUE K WAS PUT DOWN TO TWO STREETS INSTEAD OF THREE. AND THEY DID A PILOT PROGRAM ON THAT BEFORE IMPLEMENTING IT. AND SOMEONE TOLD ME THE FEEDBACK THEY PRIMARILY GOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT WERE DRIVING FROM ALLEN THROUGH TO GET DOWNTOWN. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT THEM DRIVING THROUGH AND, YOU KNOW. SO I THINK YOU SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF THE FACT THAT YOU ARE A DESTINATION. PEOPLE COME TO YOUR RESTAURANTS. THEY DON'T DRIVE BY AND GO, I THINK I'M GONNA GO THERE. THEY REALLY DON'T. SO HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO IMPACT YOUR BUSINESS. BUT I 100% UNDERSTAND THE FEAR AND THE CONCERN. YOU'VE POURED A LOT INTO DOWNTOWN. WE APPRECIATE -- I MEAN, YOU REALLY WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN SO MUCH OF THE GROWTH AND THE DEVELOPMENT? D -- IN DOWNTOWN. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S RESPECTED. ALL OF THOSE DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD FOR DOWNTOWN AND MAKING IT WHAT IT IS TODAY. AM I GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE FOR BEING TOO LONG WINDED? >> SMART BREVITY IS BEING THROWN OUT THE WINDOW. YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE. (LAUGHTER) >> YOU'RE NOT IN TROUBLE. >> Holmer: SO I JUST REALLY WANTED TO EMPHASIZE HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS, THAT WE INCLUDE OUR MERCHANTS AND KEEP THEM INVOLVED EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I THINK THE -- I THINK YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB. LIKE I SAID, I WAS VERY SKEPTICAL. BUT CAN SEE -- AND NO IT'S ON MY RADAR AND I'VE SPENT MORE HOURS THAN I EVER THOUGHT I WOULD SPEND LEARNING ABOUT TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, I'M PAYING ATTENTION WHEN I GO TO OTHER TOWNS AND I'M IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY AND I'M SEEING, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE BIG PICTURE. I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS STUDY. I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT ITEMS. DO THESE ALL FALL UNDER THIS ONE? >> MM-HMM. >> PRETTY MUCH. >> Holmer: I WANT TO MAKE SURE NOT JUST IN DOWNTOWN BUT ALL OF PLANO, THAT WE'RE AS BUSINESS FRIENDLY AS POSSIBLE. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE ANYBODY ADDITIONAL OBSTACLES FOR -- >> WOULD YOU LIKE MORE TIME TO STUDY IT? >> ARE YOU WANTING ME TO TABLE IT? >> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. >> Holmer: WELL, IT'S A PLAN, IT'S NOT A -- RIGHT? IT'S FLUID. AND THAT'S I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE, I THINK, EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS. >> TABLE PENDING A SUCCESSFUL PILOT? >> Holmer: WELL, I'D LIKE TO HEAR MORE DISCUSSION FROM THE DAIS. BUT I WANT TO MAKE THOSE POINTS. >> (OFF MIC). (LAUGHTER) >> Holmer: I WANT TO JUST MAKE THOSE POINTS. I THINK I REALLY AM SYMPATHETIC TO THE MERCHANTS. I REALLY DON'T THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW SCARY THAT IS WHEN YOU HAVE POURED SO MUCH INTO YOUR BUSINESS. I MEAN, MY SITUATION, WE DID. AND THEN FOUND OUT WE LOST ALL OF THE PARKING BEHIND US AND THEN HAD CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING. I MEAN, IT'S REALLY SCARY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL UNDERSTAND, LIKE, GET IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR OUR MERCHANTS. WE WANT WHAT'S SUCCESSFUL DOWNTOWN. WE WANT DOWNTOWN TO BE AS AMAZING AS IT IS AND CONTINUE TO GROW AND BE A DESTINATION. AND BUSINESSES WANT TO COME DOWN TO DOWNTOWN. AND OUR FOOTPRINT GROW. I'M EXCITED, ACTUALLY, ABOUT THE PLAN. I DIDN'T THINK I WOULD BE ABOUT SEEING THE EXPANSION, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SILVER LINE COMING, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE. SO I JUST REALLY WANT TO EPHASIZE THAT I HOPE ALL OF COUNCIL WILL BE SUPPORTIVE OF SUPPORTING THE CONSTRUCTION, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SUPPORT THE PILOT PROGRAM AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INVOLVED, WE'RE KEEPING THE MERCHANTS INVOLVED, AND THAT WE -- >> TABLING. >> Holmer: I WASN'T MAKING A MOTION. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY COMMENTS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY. I THINK I'VE COVERED -- >> RICK'S NEXT. >> Smith: I WOULD BE INAVOR OF TABLING. BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FIRST BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE EVERYBODY SAID, SINCE WE HAD THESE PLANS AND STANDARDS WERE ADOPTED. THINGS CHANGE. WE NEED TO CHANGE WITH IT. SO CHANGE CAN BE A GOOD THING. SO I'VE LOOKED AT THIS. THE MAJORITY OF IT, I THINK, IS GREAT. THE STANDARDS, YOU KNOW, CROSS WAYS, THE IDEAS YOU'VE GOT ABOUT IMPROVING TRAFFIC FLOW ARE GOING TO BE GOOD BENEFITS. BUT DOWNWN,IKE JULIE WAS SAYING, IS A SPECIAL PLACE. IT'S A SPECIAL PART OF PLANO. WE'VE DONE -- ALL OF US HAVE DONE A LOT TO HELP DOWNTOWN FLOURISH AND TO GET PEOPLE TO COME THERE, TO GET PEOPLE TO OPEN BUSINESSES THERE AND MAINTAIN BUSINESSES THERE AND LIVE THERE. I DON'T KNOW THERE'S A FEASIBLE WAY TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT CHANGING PLANS. BUT I'D BE IN FAVOR OF THE PLANNING WITH THE EXCEPTION IF WE CAN EXEMPT THE DOWNTOWN PORTION OF STANDARDS AND NOT MESS WITH THOSE UNTIL WE DO HAVE SOME MORE DEFINITIVE, UNTIL DO MOCK SOMEHINGS UP, STUDY THE TRAFFIC FLOW, WE FIND OUT FROM THE PEOPLE WHO WERE IMPACTED, IS IT HURTING THEIR BUSINESS? THEY'LL TELL US. AS A FELLOW BUSINESSPERSON, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. I WOULDN'T WANT ANYBODY MESSING EMPLOYEE LIVELIHOOD WITHOUT KNOWING THERE WAS JUST NO OTHER WAY TO DO IT. SO I'D BE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE STANDARD CHANGES, THE LANGUAGE CHANGES AND IMPROVING THOSE, BUT KEEPING THE DOWNTOWN PORTION AS A -- ALMOST LIK WE VE T HISTORIC DISTRICTS HAVE -- HERITAGE DISTRICTS HAVE. I'D LIKE TO DO THAT HERE. LEAVE THE STANDARDS THE WAY THEY ARE, LET'S MOCK THESE THINGS UP. MARK, IF YOU THINK SIX MONTHS, I'M WITH YOU ON THE SIX-MONTH THING. LET'S DO THAT FIRST. AS COUNCILMAN HORNE SAID, THIS IS A PLAN. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET OUT THERE WITH BULLDOZERS AND CHANGE THINGS IF WE APPROVE THIS PLAN. RATHER THAN HAVING TO COME BACK POTENTIALLY AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE AND UNDO LIKE WE DID WITH THE ROUNDABOUT LEFT-HAND TURNS AT LEGACY AND ALL THAT, I'D RATHER WAIT A LITTLE WHILE, BE SURE THAT WE'RE COMFORTABLE AND OUR BUSINESSES ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THESE CHANGES BEFORE WE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT A PLAN. YOU KNOW, IF ANY WILL CHANGE OR AFFECT THE DOWNTOWN AREA. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF. >> I THINK THE THING THAT PEOPLE ARE THE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT ARE THOSE NARROWING OF THE STREETS. I'M NOT SURE THAT WE WANT TO -- AND MAYBE I'M WRONG. THAT'S THE COMPLAINTS THAT I'VE HEARD. AND THE IMPACT TO THE BUSINESSES. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT -- BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR PLANNING PURPOSES IF WE'RE NOT CONSISTENT. THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS WHY THIS IS TAKING PLACE. AND SO I WOULD HATE TO DELAY EVERYTHING IF THOSE ARE THE MAIN CONCERNS. IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE HEARING? >> YES, AS FAR AS DOWNTOWN, THE CONSISTENT FEEDBACK HAS BEEN THE NARROWING OF THE LANES AT 14th AND 15th, AS WELL AS THE FUTURE STREET EXTENSIONS. THAT'S THE TWO POINTSS OF CONTENTION. >> Holmer: SO I THINK I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF MAKING SURE WE DON'T -- I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY SAID, WE WON'T MAKE ANY CHANGES UNLESS IT'S -- I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE WILL DISCUSS IT AND THAT IT WON'T BE -- PAIGE, >> [ OFF MIC ] SO IF THEY CAN -- I'M SORRY, IF THEY CAN REMOVE THE PORTIONS THAT YOU GUYS ARE INTERESTED IN, AND NOT IMPACT THINGS BYPASSING THE REST OF IT. >> Holmer: BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE SAYING WE WANT TO CHANGE, THE STANDARDS -- HERE IS ONE OPTION, RIGHT, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, HERE IS ONE THING WE CAN DO, HERE IS ANOTHER THING WE CAN DO, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU'VE RECOMMENDED, BUT I -- IF IT'S A GUIDE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S SAYING THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, I'M JUST ASKING THAT WE DON'T MAKE ANY DECISIONS LIKE THAT. >> COUNCILWOMAN, I THINK FOR CLARITY, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IF WE'RE ADOPTING THE PLAN, WE'RE ADOPTING THAT AS THE VISION FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT FROM A CAPITAL MAINTENANCE AND A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, WE'RE STILL BRINGING BACK THOSE PROJECTS FOR APPROVAL, BUT IT'S TOWARD THAT VISION, SO IT GIVES US A GUIDE POST TO AIM FOR, AS WE'RE DESIGNING, AS WE'RE WORKING, AS WE'RE WORKING WITH TAING ABOUT RIGHTS OF WAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIDEWALKS, WE SAW THAT JAGGED MAP GOING DOWN 15ETH STREET, I THINK WHAT WE'RE HEARING IS THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO PROVIDE SOME CONSISTENCY AND PREDICTABILITY WITHIN THAT, SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE COMMITMENT SIDE OF THINGS OF HOW TO GO ABOUT THAT, I THINK THIS PLAN PROVIDES THAT CONSISTENCY AND ROAD MAP FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THOSE ELEMENTS. NOW, BRINGING THOSE THINGS BACK, I HEARD FROM BRIAN, WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH DOING A PILOT PROGRAM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT I THINK THAT, YOUNOW, IF WE TRY TO PULL THIS APART IN SEVERAL WAYS AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS ELEMENT, VERSUS THAT ELEMENT, IT SOUNDS -- LOOKING AT STAFF'S FACE, I THINK IT BECOMES MORE CHALLENGING WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO ISOLATE ELEMENTS VERSUS HAVING THE PLAN IN PLACE, AND SAYING LET'S DO A PILOT AND BRING THAT BACK IN SIX MONTHS AND BE ABLE TO SHARE OPENLY WHAT THE RESULTS ARE, AND LET COUNCIL EVALUATE, DO WE KEEP IT, DO WE NOT KEEP IT, DO WE MODIFY THE PLAN, IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT DESIGN THAN TRYING TO KIND OF ONLY MOVE CERTAIN ELEMENTS TO THAT, AND I'M LOOKING AT CHRISTINA, SHE'S NODDING HER HEAD, BUT I INK AT FROM A LOGISTICAL PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF READING THE BODY LANGUAGE OVER THERE, SO CHRISTINA, WOULD YOU -- >> CERTAINLY. I THINK THIS IS SO COMPLEX, BECAUSE IT REQUIRES CHANGES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE ZONING ORDINANCE, TRYING TO EXTRACT ANYTHING IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY CHALLENGING FOR US. I THINK IF COUNCIL HAS DIRECTION OF CHANGES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, OR THEY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION SUBJECT TO CERTAIN ITEMS, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO ENSURING THERE'S A SIX MONTH TRIAL, IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THAT WOULD BE MUCH MORE FAVORABLE. >> ANTHONY? >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU MAYOR. SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO MAKE A SMART BREVITY RECOVERY FROM MY EARLIER. [ LAUGHTER ] TWO POINTS, FIRST, I WANT TO ADD MY VOICE TO THE CHORUS OF VOICES CALLING FOR A PILOT. LEARNING MORE ABOUT THIS HAS REALLY MADE A DIFFERENCE IN MY VIEW ON IT. THE IDEA THAT YOU COULD DECREASE THE NUMBER OF LANES AND IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW IS COUNTER INTUITIVE, BECAUSE WE THINK, YOU KNOW, MORE IS BETTER, YOU KNOW, SO THAT -- THE PILOT IS REALLY GOING TO HELP. THE PROOF WILL BE IN THE PUDDING, AND I TOO WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PILOT TO PROVE THE CONCEPT, BECAUSE I'M SURE IT WILL WORK, BUT IT WILL BE GREAT TO HAVE THAT PROOF. THE SECOND THING IS VERY SPECIFICALLY ON SECTION 8.13 ABOUT NONCONFORMING DRIVEWAYS, FRANK TURNER HAD SENT A LETTER, THE STAFF PROVIDED A GREAT RESPONSE THAT I THOUGHTFULLY RESOLVED MOST OF THE CONCERNS EXPRESSED IN MY MIND AT LEAST, BUT THERE WAS ONE THAT REMAINED, WHICH WAS THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT SOMETHING LIKE THE ADDITION OF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL COULD TRIGGER A NONCONFORMING DRIVEWAY NO LONGER BEING ALLOWED TO REMAIN IN USE, AND THE STAFF RESPONSE WAS, OF COURSE, WE WOULD TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT, IT'S HIGHLY LIKELY WE WOULD REMOVE THE SOLE OR PRIMARY MEANS OF ACCESS TO A PARCEL, YOU KNOW, DUE TO, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, B I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A CHANGE TO SECTION 8.13 TO MAKE THAT OFFICIAL, BECAUSE IF I WAS A PROPERTY OWNER, WITH, YOU KNOW, ONE DRIVEWAY IN AND OUT, I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PLAN, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE'RE SAYING, WELL, THAT PROBABLY WON'T HAPPEN, I WOULD LOVE TO PUT SOMETHING IN WRITING WHERE THAT DEFINITELY WON'T HAPPEN IF THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, THE SOLE MEANS OF ACCESS TO A PROPERTY. NOBODY IS GOING TO LOSE ACCESS TO THEIR PROPERTY. THANK YOU. >> I CAN RESPOND. THERE WILL BE A VETTING PROCESS TO THAT, BECAUSE IF THAT'S THEIR SOLE POINT OF ACCESS, THAT'S GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, SO WE WOULD NEED -- RATHER THAN NONCONFORMING THE PROPERTY, WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE THEM TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR A WAIVER TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, SO KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE VETTED THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. >> Ricciardelli: WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT FEEDBACK. JUST TO UNDERSTAND, THEY WOULD REQUIRE -- THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD REQUIRE A WAIVER FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, EVEN THOUGH THE USE PREDATED THESE NEW STANDARDS. I GUESS I'M CONFUSED, BECAUSE NORMALLY, IF YOU HAVE A NONCONFORMING USE, PRIOR TO THE DATE OF A NEW -- I GUESS THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE LIKE THE ZONING ORDINANCE, TYPICALLY THAT JUST AUTOMATICALLY REMAINS OKAY UNTIL YOU MAKE A CHANGE. >> WE WOULD BE TAKING AWAY THE DRIVEWAY IN THIS SCENARIO, AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, SO WE'RE EXACTLY -- WE'RE CRECREATING THE NONCONFORMITY BY REMOVING THE DRIVEWAY, SO WE WOULD NEED TO ASK P&Z, AND MAKE OUR CASE, THAT THIS IS SUCH A SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUE THAT THIS DRIVEWAY NEEDS TO BE REMOVED, AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT TO GIVE A WAIVER. >> SO THE ONUS WOULD BE ON THE CITY, THE CITY WOULD BE THE ONE APPROACHING P&Z, WE WANT A VE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS A PREVIOUSLY EXISTING NONCONFORMING DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S SUCH A SAFETY HAZARD THAT WE'VE GOT TO GET RID OF IT, IT WOULD REQUIRE A VOTE OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO GET RID OF IT. >> RIGHT, WE WOULD BE MAKING A CASE IN OUR STAFF REPORT AS TO WHY WE WANTED TO REMOVE THE DRIVEWAY, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO KEEP IT, THEY COULD MAKE THEIR CASE FOR WHY THEY WANTED TO KEEP IT, AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WOULD MAKE A DETERMINATION. >> Ricciardelli: OKAY, GOT YA', WELL, THAT'S HELPFUL, THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: WE TALKED ABOUT APPROVING THE PLAN WITH -- SUBJECT TO THE MOCKUP, SIX MONTH MOCKUP OF THE THOROUGHFARES IN DOWNTOWN. IS EVERYBODY -- >> I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO PROPOSE TABLING IT PENDING THE MOCKUP. >> Tu: I'M SORRY, I'M REALLY LOST. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TABLING THIS WILL MAKE IT ANY -- I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PLAN, RIGHT? AND THEN IF -- AND THE PLAN IS JUST A VISIO I MEAN,E'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY GOING DOWN THERE, WE'RE GOING TO PLOT IT OUT, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, RIGHT, AS A -- WE'RE GOING TO START PILOTING AT THIS POINT. ACTUALLY, JUST PLANNING ON DOING SOME SORT OF STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE THOROUGHFARE. AM I -- AM I CORRECT ABOUT THIS? >> IT WILL IMPACT -- RIGHT NOW THIS IS REPRAISING THE CITY STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, RIGHT NOW -- IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, FOR THE MAJORITY OF PLACES THERE ARE FOUR FOOT SIDEWALKS REQUIRED, IF SOMEONE COMES IN, WANTS TO REDEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY, THEY PUT IN A STANDARD FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK, UNLESS THE CITY CAN NEGOTIATE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. THIS WOULD CHANGE THAT STANDARD TO WHERE WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN, WE'RE LOOKING AT A WIDER URBAN STYLE SIDEWALK DEPENDING ON THE STREET THAT IT'S ON. SO IT WOULD CHANGE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN CERTAIN AREAS, BECAUSE WE WILL ASK FOR A DIFFERENT STANDARD DURING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. >> SO HOW DOES THE TABLING OF THIS -- THIS PPOSAL IMPACT HOW OUR CURRENT PLAN IS IN PLACE? I JUST WANTED TO -- >> WE'LL JUST CONTINUE TO OPERATE WITH THE EXISTING REGULATIONS. >> Tu: WHICH IS BASICALLY NO SIDEWALK AND YOU CAN BASICALLY DO WHATEVER YOU WANT? >> RIGHT, JUST THE -- THE SAME THINGS THAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY WHERE WE -- FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA, WE TRY TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO MAKE A CASE TO DO SOMETHING BETTER. >> Tu: SO CAN YOU DO A PROPOSAL IN WHICH YOU ADOPT THE PN IN EXEMPTING THE DOWNTOWN AREA? >> I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT. >> Tu: AND THAT'S THE PART THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE INCONSISTENCIES, RIGHT? SO ULTIMATELY WE STILL WANT CONSISTENCIES, SO I'M NOT SURE WHETHER OR NOT TABLING ACTUALLY -- I MEAN, ARE WE -- > >> Smith : I THINK THE MAYOR HAD A GOOD IDEA, COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, WHAT I THINK HE WAS GOING TO SAY IS WE COULD TABLE IT AND HAVE INSTRUCT THAT DURING THIS NE SIX MONTH PERIOD, WE DO THE STUDY ANALYSIS THAT WE HAVE, THEREFORE NOTHING IS CHANGED, BECAUSE AS DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM WAS ASKING, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS WE DO APPROVE THIS TONIGHT, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THE STUDY, WELL, LET'S JUST SAY BUILDING FELL DOWN, DOWNTOWN, SOMEBODY CAME IN AFTER THIS WEEK, AFTER NIGHT, AND WANTED TO REDO SOMETHING, THEY THEN WOULD BE BOUND BY THE PLANS AND ORDINANCES THAT WE APPROVE TONIGHT. THAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCAL YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT ANYBODY TOMORROW, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO IN THERE AND START TEARING UP, I DON'T THINK, TEARING UP STREETS AND MOVING THINGS AROUND -- >> Mayor Muns: BUT IT IS ALL OF PLANO SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT -- >> Smith : THAT'S THE HARD PART. > Mayor Muns: -- NO REDEVELOPMENT OR DEVELOPMENT CAN, YOU KNOW, CAN WORK WITH THE NEW PLAN, ANYWHERE IN PLANO. >> Smith : RIGHT, UNTIL -- >> >> Mayor Muns: SO THAT'S THE PROBLEM. >> Smith : IF WE TABLE IT, THOUGH, THEN I THINK -- FOR, AGAIN, I LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS FOR THE OTHER PART, BUT DOWNTOWN -- DOWNTOWN IS SPECIAL. I MEAN, IT IS. IT IS SPECIAL. D IHINK UNTIL I'M SATISFIED, AT LEAST ME, I CAN'T SPEAK -- I'M SATISFIED THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO NEGATIVELY AFFECT OUR BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT, BUT I THINK WE COULD DO THINGS THAT WOULD GET SUPPORT TO GET THAT STUDY, AND THEN WE COULD HAVE MORE DETAIL TO GO FOR IT. >> RYAN, IF THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BECAUSE I KNOW WE FOCUSED IN ON DOWNTOWN WAS REMOVED FROM THIS, WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO THE TRAFFIC -- HAVE YOU DONE THAT ANALYSIS OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF DOWNTOWN WASN'T A PART OF THIS PLAN? >> SO I DEFER TO CHRISTINA, THE -- THERE ARE SO MANY MOVING PARTS, THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT IN EACH ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS, I THINK IT WOULD BE TROUBLE SOME, IF THE RISK OF CHRISTINA, REACHING OVER AND SLAPPING ME ON THE HEAD, MY UNDERSTANDING, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS INTERNALLY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS -- WAS NONE OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS ON 14th OR 15th ARE HAPPENING UNTIL THE REDEVELOPMENT OF SOME OF THESE BLOCKS ACTUALLY STARTS OCCURRING. IT'S NOT LIKE TOMORROW WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND WE'RE GOING TO START MAKING THESE IMPROVEMENTS. I WILL GIVE YOU A REALLY PRIME EXAMPLE. THERE IS A FRUIT STAND, FRUIT AND VEGETABLE STAND ON 15th STREET, THAT WHOLE BLOCK THAT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 15th, IT IS LITERALLY JUST WIDE OPEN, LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A CONTINUOUS DRIVEWAY FOR THE ENTIRE BLOCK. I DON'T SEE THAT PROPERTY OR SERIES OF PROPERTIES, I THINK THERE'S FOUR PROPERTY OWNERS THERE, REDEVELOPING ANY TIME IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS, SO THAT'S THE TRIGGER POINT IS THE REDEVELOPMENT, AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE REDEVELOPMENT PART, IT HAS TO GET APPROVED BY -- I'M SORRY, BY P&Z, AND IT HAS TO GET APPROVED BY COUNCIL, SO THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING IMPLEMENTED UNDER THE PLAN, YOU STILL HAVE A CHANCE TO SAY, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, NO, AT THE TIME OF REDEVELOPMENT ACTUALLY OCCURS, DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY CHRISTINA I'LL DEFER BACK TO YOU. >> I THINK THAT WE TALKED WITH CALEB ABOUT ACTUALLY INCLUDING SOME OF THE PRIMARY STREETS IN THEIP PROGRAM SO IT'S NOT PIECEMEAL, SO THAT WE WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT ADDING THOSE STREETS TO THE CIP SO THAT THE CITY WOULD GO IN AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT OF COURSE WE'D WORK IT WITH THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS AT THE TIME JUST LIKE THEY'RE DOING ON 15th STREET NOW NEAR FIRST BAPTIST, THE CITY HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH A PROCESS OF LOOKING AT REDESIGNING THAT STREET, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, SENDING OUT NOTICES, IT'S A STANDARD PRACTICE THAT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS WHEN THEY'RE MAKING MAJOR CHANGES TO A STREET. >> AND THO T ADDITIONS, THOSE EXTENSIONS WOULD NOT HAPPEN IF WE PULLED THIS BACK OUT, CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT, AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE, IT WOULD TAKE US SOME TIME TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO EXTRACT IT, BECAUSE IT'S SO INTERRELATED. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. >> Williams: OKAY. AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF EFFORT HAS GONE INTO THIS, I'M DEEPLY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT OVER A VERY LONG TIME T REASON THAT I SUGGESTED TABLING THE WHOLE THING IS BECAUSE, AS I UNDERSTAND SEVERAL ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NIGHT, IST'S NOT JUST THE PLAN, IT'S UPDATES TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OUR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, ALL OF IT IS WRAPPED IN TOGETHER. BY THAT TOKEN, THAT'S WHY I UNDERSTAND, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT IF WE TRIED TO PASS ALL OF THIS BUT DECOUPLE DOWNTOWN, THAT WOULD BE VERY PROBLEMATIC. THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED MAYBE WE JUST TABLE THE WHOLE THING PENDING THE OUTCOME OF A PILOT, SPECIFIC TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA. THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS I CAN SEE GOING ABOUT THIS IS JUST PASSING IT, BUT TRYING TO DECOUPLE THE DOWNTOWN PORTION, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WOULD BE AN ISSUE. WE COULD TABLE THE WHOLE THING. COULD WE -- COULD WE PASS IT BUT STIPULATE THAT -- AND HERE IS WHY I SAY IT'S NOT JUST A PLAN, BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES INTO THE CIP AND THE UPDATES TO THE ZONING ORDINANCES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, COULD WE PASS THIS TONIGHT, BUT STIPULATE THAT NO CHANGES TO THE ACTUAL LANES AND TRAFFIC FLOW DOWNTOWN WILL -- WILL BE PART OF I OR WILL BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD UNTIL AFTER COUNCIL HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE THE RESULTS OF A PILOT, AND IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE A THOROUGH THOUGHTFUL PILOT, I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME WORK TO DESIGN, IT'S ALSO GOING TO TAKE SOME EXPENSE, BUT I VIEW IT AS -- OKAY, IF THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE MOTION, THEN I'LL TRY TO WORD IT CAREFULLY. OKAY. THEN I MOVE THAT WE PASS THIS ITEM BUT RESTRICT ANY CHANGES TO LANES -- LANE DIRECTION, LANE CLOSURES AND SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO TRAFFIC FLOW DOWNTOWN PENDING THE OUTCOME OF COUNCIL REVIEW AND ACCEPTANCE OF A SIX MONTH PILOT PROGRAM. >> I THINK WE HAVE THAT. STAFF -- BRIAN, ARE WE OKAY -- OKAY, DOUBLE CHECKING. >> Tu: I'LL SECOND THAT. >> Williams: ON THE FLY. >> Tu: I'LL SECOND THAT. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> DOES ANYONE ELSE ON THE COUNCIL HAVE ANY OPINIONS ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS? >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE -- WE SAY PILOT, REALLY TWO TYPES, THERE'S COMPUTER MODELING, WHICH IS SIMPLEST APPROACH, BUT IT DOES FAIRLY ACCURATE, AND THEN THERE'S A SECOND PART WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE, WHICH IS -- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REPAINTING REPAINTINGSYNCHRONIZATION LIGHT >> Williams: I VIEW THIS AS SPENDING A FRACTION OF THE AMOUNT TO BUILD A PROTOTYPE, BUT A REAL PHYSICAL PROTOTYPE. >> (INDISCERNIBLE). >> WE WILL TRY TO AVOID CONES. WE UNDERSTAND IT'S THE MODEL OF THINGS SO WE GET A GROUND LEVEL IMPACT. >> Williams: IF THAT RESULTS OF THE ANALYSIS GIVES YOU ANY DIFFERENT IDEAS WHAT TO DO IN DOWNTOWN YOU CAN BRING THOSE FORWARD IN SIX, SEVEN MONTHS, WHATEVER THAT TAKES. >> Mayor Muns: MION AND COND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8 AS STATE BID COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. >> Tu: I STILL -- I MEAN, I STILL HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT, RAISING THE THRESHOLD ON THAT, AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING VERY PRO BUSINESS AND NOT ADDING THAT ADDITIONAL -- I'M STILL NOT COMPLETELY SOLD ON THAT, AND IF I DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT FEELS THAT WAY, THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW EITHER WAY. >> Williams: HOW DO YOU MEAN. >> Holmer: SO RIGHT NOW THE THRESHOLD IS 8,000 TRIPS, SO YOU -- YOU KNOW, THE MATH ON HOW MANY TRIPS ARE EXPECTED, NEW TRIPS ARE EXPECTED TO GO TO A DEVELOPMENT OR A REDEVELOPMENT, AND IF THE THRESHOLD NOW IS 3,000 TRIPS, THEN THE -- IT'S ON THE APPLICANT, THE DEVELOPER, TO DO A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS STUDY WHICH, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, COST THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, AND I'M JUST -- I'M NOT SURE I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO EXERCISE OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE AND MAKE A -- AN AMENDMENT MOTION? >> REAL QUICK, BRIAN, FROM AN INDUSTRY PERSPECTIVE IN SURVEYING OUR SURROUNDING CITIES AND HEARING SOME OF THE CONCERNS, ASK IS THERE A STANDARD THAT IS IN THE METROPLEX FOR THAT SORT OF TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY? >> WE ACTUALLY STUDIED THIS WHEN WE CAME UP WITH THE 3,000 OF ALL OF THE SURROUNDING MAJOR CITIES, SOME OF THE BIGGER CITIES SUCH AS AUSTIN. WE HAVE A TABLE FLOATING AROUND SOMEWHERE, I CAN DUST IT OFF AND SEND IT TO YOU, BUT THE AVERAGE ISROUND 3,000. ACTUALLY, NO, THE HIGH END WAS AROUND 3,000. THERE WERE ACTUALLY SEVERAL CITIES, THEIR TRIGGER POINT WAS 1500 OR 2,000, SO IT WAS MUCH LOWER. >> IS THIS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS STAFF THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ASSIST WITH TO REDUCE THE COST OF OR IS IT REALLY -- >> WE'RE GIVING IS THE INITIAL TRIP GENERATION SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO HIRE A CONSULTANT TO GENERATE A 15-MINUTE -- GO THROUGH A 15-MINUTE EXERCISE TO DETERMINE HOW MANY TRIPS ARE TAKE CAR OF THAT PART UPG T FRONT SO THAT THEY KNOW WHEN THEY COME INTO THE CITY FOR THE FIRST TIME WHETHER THE TRIP GENERATION, I'M SORRY, TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY IS NECESSARY OR NOT. I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE MORE THING. THERE ARE VARIOUS LEVELS OF DETAIL NECESSARY IN THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA IS DIFFERENT, THE LARGER -- LARGER TRIP GENERATIONS -- LARGER DEVELOPMENTS SUCH AS COLLIN CREEK MALL, WE WENT A MILE, MILE AND A HALF AWAY AND LOOKED AT THE INTERSTIONS WAY AWAY FROM THE DEVELOPMENT. THE SMALLER ONES, LET'S SAY LESS THAN 8,000, USUALLY LOOKING AT THE INTERSECTIONS SURROUNDING THE DEVELOPMENT. SO THE SIZE AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS CONSIDERABLY DIFFERENT. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU MAYOR. I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT, BECAUSE I AGREE, WE WANT TO BE BUSINESS FRIENDLY, WE DON'T WANT TO FINANCIALLY OVERBURDEN PEOPLE, BUT I DO THINK THAT LOWERING THE THRESHOLD FROM 8,000 TO 3,000 IS IMPORTANT. WHEN THAT 8,000 STANDARD CAME INTO BEING, TRAFFIC IN PLANO WAS VERY DIFFERENT. I MEAN, I REMEMBE I USED TO DRIVE AROUND, EVEN AT RUSH HOUR, YOU COULD DRIVE AROUND TOWN AND ZIP FROM PLACE TO PLACE. WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC CHALLENGES NOW, I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS WE ALL HEAR ABOUT FROM RESIDENTS IS TRAFFIC. SO I THINK THE 8,000 TRIP GENERATION STANDARD IS CAUSING US TO MISS OPPORTUNITIES FOR TRAFFIC MITIGATION THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO US IF WE HAD THIS STANDARD IN PLACE. SO EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND IT'S AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON THE DEVELOPER, I THINK IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO REALLY TAKE TRAFFIC BY THE HORNES AND GET PROACTIVE ABOUT TRAFFIC MITIGATION THAI THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO FOR THIS AREA WHERE PLANO'S TRAFFIC HAS BECOME SUCH A CONCERN. >> Holmer: I DON'T DISAGREE IT'S IMPORTANT TO MITIGATE TRAFFIC. AGAIN, MY FOCUS WAS ON MAKING SURE, ESPECIALLY SMALLER BUSINESSES AREN'T OVERLY BURDENED IN BEING ABLE TO -- ESPECIALLY WHEN I THINK ABOUT DOWNTOWN AND THE AREAS LIKE THAT. >> Mayor Muns: I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THE SUBJECT, TOO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RIGHT ON THIS PARTICULAR PART OF IT. SO I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO COVER OUR BASES ON THAT. I'LL JUST SAY FROM A SMALL BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, ANYTHING THAT IS A -- WHAT WE CALL A SUBSTANTIALLY CONFORMIVE, MINOR TO A PLAN, REQUIRES NO ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, THERE'S NO CHEECHANGE. SO WE KIND OF -- WE TRIED TO MAKE IT KIND OF VERY INCREMENTAL APPROACH FROM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO YOU'RE GIVING US A TABLE ALL THE WAY UP TO A GIANT PROJECT THAT DOES A REGIONAL TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, SO WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO MAKE IT THE IMPACT RELATIVE ON THE BUSINESS RELATIVE ON THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE CHANGES THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. AGAIN, A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 8. WITH THE SUBJECT TO. PLEASE VOTE. KKAYCI IS -- I THINK SHE'S ACTUALLY LANDED. MOTION PASSES 7-0. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, ALSO REITERATE MICHELLE HAWKINS WHO IS OUR DOWNTOWN MANAGER SITTING UP HERE WATCHING CLOSELY, WE WILL ENSURE THAT WE ARE DOING ALL WE CAN TO COMMUNICATE DOWNTOWN BOTH WHEN THE PILOT IS GOING TO BEGIN AND OUR PLANNING EFFORTS, SO WE WILL MAKE SURE WE'RE REACHING OUT, AND MAKE SURE WE COMMUNICATE WITH DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. ITEM 9. >> ITEM 9, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 2023-001, TO AMEND THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND CROSS SECTIONS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ORIGINALLY ADOPTED BY ORDINANCE NUMBER 2021-11-1, INCORPORATING AMENDMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> INCLUDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO UPTAT THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING, ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 6-1 WITH ONE ABOUT ABSTENTION, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTNS THAT YOU HAVE. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, MIKE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MIKE? >> Smith : THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR PAIGE, BUT WOULD APPROVING THIS ITEM REQUIRE A -- AN AMENDMENT LIKE I OFFERED ON THE LAST ITEM? >> NO, IT WOULD NOT. >> Williams: THANK YOU. . >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS. >> City Clerk: THERE'S ONE SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM, NATHAN SHEA. YOU'RE GOOD? >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COUNCIL.THE COMMENTS TO THE >> MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 9. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 7-0. ITEM NUMBER 10? >> City Clerk: ITEM NUMBER 10, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2023-002 TO FRAMEWORK, ARTICLE III, SITE PLAN REVIEW, ARTICLE IX, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, ARTICLE X, NONRESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, ARTICLE XI, OVERLY DISTRICTS, ARTICLE 12, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, ARTICLE XIII, LOT AND BUILDING STANDARDS, ARTICLE XV, USE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS, ARTICLE XVII, LANDSCAPING AND TREE PRESERVATION, ARTICLE II 1, RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY STANDARDS, ARTICLE II 2, SIGNS, ARTICLE 25, TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, OF THE COMPREHENSIV ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2015-5-2, AS HERETOFORE AMENDED TO INCORPORATE AND ALIGN WITH THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, AND A PUB -- A PUBLICATION CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> ALL RIGHT, THIS ITEM AS WE JUST NOTED IS A CHANGE TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE RELATED TO STREET DESIGN STANDARDS AS MR. BELL MENTIONED EARLIER, FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, WE'VE BEEN PUTTING STREET STANDARDS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE AS A WAY OF AFFECTING THE NECESSARY CHANGES DEMANDED BY THE MARKET, SO YOU SEE WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS THAT HAVE THEIR OWN STANDARDS, SO WITH THIS CHANGE TO THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ALLOWS US TO EXTRACT THOSE FROM THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH REALLY IS THE BEST PRACTICE, WE ALSO HAVE THE RELATED CHANGES TO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS SECTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE. AND THIS ALSO AS WE'VE DISCUSSED EARLIER, IMPTS SETBACKS SO YOU SEE THERE'S SOME NEW GRAPHICS BEING ADDED TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR ADDITIONAL CLARITY, AND YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE HOW THE SETBACKS WILL BE MORE STANDARDIZED BY THIS ZONING ORDINANCE CHANGE. WITH THAT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DOES RECOMMEND APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF 7-0. THERE WAS ONE ABSTENTION DUE TO A CONFLICT, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS? >> Williams: THANK YOU, CHRISTINA, SAME QUESTION I ASKED ON THE LAST ITEM. >> I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF THE ADDITIONAL ITEMS REQUIRE STIPULATIONS, THE SAME STIPULATION BECAUSE IT SHOULD BE COVERED BY THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS. >> Williams: THANK YOU, THEN MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Mayor Muns: HOLD ON. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY SPEAKERS. >> NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> Williams: MOTION TO APPROVE. I KNOW THAT CAUGHT YOU OFFGUARD. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 10, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 7-0. ITEM 11. >> ITEM 11, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AMENDMENT 2023-1 TO AMEND ARTICLE I, GENERAL PROVISIONS, ARTICLE II, DEFINITIONS, ARTICLE III, PLATTING PROCESS, ARTICLE V, REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS RESERVATIONS AND DESIGN, AND ARTICLE XVI, PARTICIPATION IN ESCROW POLICIES OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2017-11-4 AS HERETOFORE AMENDED TO INCORPORATE AND ALIGN WITH THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> THIS IS THE FIRST SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE CASE OF THE YEAR FOR AMENDMENTS. IT IS AGAIN AN UPDATE RELATED TO THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, SO IT DOES CREATE NEW SUB SECTIONS IN THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES THAT ARE REQUIRED UNDER THE STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, SO IT REORGANIZES SOME SECTIONS TO ADD CLARITY. ALSO, IT INCORPORATES THE BLOCK REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISION GUIDELINES THAT ARE RELATED TO THE NEXT ITEM THAT YOU WILL SEE. THERE'S ALSO UPDATED LANGUAGE TO INCLUDE PLANS IN THE WAIVER FOR DEVELOPMENT EXACT SHUN PROCESS. THE ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, 7-0, WITH ONE ABSTENTION DUE TO A CONFLICT. I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHRISTINA? I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> City Clerk: THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> MR. MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11. >> Ricciardelli: SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON ITEM 11. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 7-0. ITEM 12. >> ITEM 12, CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO REPEAL OBSOLETE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AND DESIGN DOCUMENTS INCLUDING ORDINANCE NUMBERS 2009- -- SORRY 2009-6-10, AND 2009-9-12, WHICH ADOPTED THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS RULES AND REGULATIONS, RESOLUTION NUMBER 89-8-15 (R), WHICH ADOPTED THE TRAFFIC ISLAND GUIDELINES AND RESOLUTION 94-6-10 (R) WHICH ADOPTED A PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISION GUIDELINES, PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> ALL RIGHT. SO THIS IS THE ACTUAL REPEAL OF THE CURRENT NOW PASSED AFTER THIS ITEM THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS RULES AND REGULATION DOCUMENT. WE ALSO HAVE TWO OTHER DOCUMENTS THATHE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAD LOOKED AT IN THEIR SUBCOMMITTEE AND THEN FINAL FULL COMMISSION REVIEW OF OLDER GUIDELINES AND POLICIES THAT WE HAVE, ONE IS THE TRAFFIC ISLAND GUIDELINES. THOSE HAVE BEEN REPLACED IN THE NEW STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, SO WE HAVE SOME NEW MODERN STANDARDS THERE. AS WELL AS THE PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISION INFORMATION WHICH HAS BEEN ALREADY INCORPORATED INTO THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE, SO WITH THAT, WE RECOMMEND REPEALING THESE THREE DOCUMENTS. AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION WAS 7-0. >> Mayor Muns: THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, SO COULD I HEAR A MOTION? >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Ricciardelli: SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 12. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 7-0. ITEM 13. >> ITEM 13, CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO REPEAL ARTICLE V, BUILDING LINESN SPECIFIC STREETS OF CHAPTER 6, BUILDINGS AND BUILDING REGULATIONS, OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, OF THE CITY OF PLANO, TO REPEAL SECTION 19-21, RULES AND REGULATIONS ADOPTED OF ARTICLE II, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF CHAPTER 19, STREETS AND SIDEWALKS, OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF PLANO TO AMEND SECTION 19-91 DEFINITIONS OF DIVISION 2, STREET CLOSURE ARCLE V, STREET ANDENT,F THOROUGHFARE CLOSURES OF CHAPTER 19, STREETS AND SIDEWALKS, OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF PLANO, AND TO AMEND SECTION 11-302, APPLICATION OF ARTICLE EXCEPTIONS OF DIVISION 1, GENERALLY, OF ARTICLE VIII, SPECIAL EVENTS OF CHAPTER 11, LICENSES AND BUSINESS REGULATION, OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF PLANO, PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> ALL RIGHT, THIS IS THE LAST ITEM RELATED TO STREET DESIGN STANDARDS, AND SO IT DOES REPLACE REFERENCES TO THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS RULES AND REGULATIONS DOCUMENT THROUGH -- THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. IT ALSO REMOVES SOME OBSOLETE BUILDING LINES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA THAT DATE BACK, MIKE MENTIONED TO THE 1963 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SO WE'VE HAD THOSE AROUND FOR AWHILE, SO THOSE ARE GETTING REMOVED WITH THIS UPDATE, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL BECAUSE THIS IS IN EODE OF ORDINANCES, IT DID NOT GO THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> Tu: COME ON, ANTHONY. >> Ricciardelli: SECOND. I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTED IT, BUT SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 13. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 7-... >> I'M HE A NIGHT. THIS IS REQUESTING TO TABLE -- I'M SORRY, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO READ THIS. >> City Clerk: PUBLIC AND CONSIDERATION -- [ LAUGHTER ] [ INDISTINCT CHATTER ] CLERK PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2023-003 TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NO 2015-5-2 AS HERETOFORE AMENDED SO AS TO RONE9 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF LEGACY DRIVE AND PARKWOOD BOULEVARD IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY TEXAS FROM COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 62 COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT DIRECTING A CHANGE ACCORDINGLY IN THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY, PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, REPEALER CLAUSE, SAVINGS CLAUSE, SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO CONTINUE THE TABLING OF THIS ITEM UNTIL OCTOBER 23. >> Mayor Muns: HOLD ON, I GOT -- IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? I DIDN'T THINK SO. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, ANY SPEAKERS -- >> THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> Holmer: MOTION TO TABLE >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. >> Ricciardelli: SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14. PLEASE VOTE. TRY IT AGAIN, RICK. MOTION PASSES 7-0. ITEM 15? >> City Clerk: ITEM 15, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2023-016, TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NO 2015-5-2, AS HERETOFORE AMENDED GRANTING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 47 FOR DAY CARE CENTER ON 5.2 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF CROSS BENDOAD AND BRANCH HOLLOW DRIVE IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, PRESENTLY ZONED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE 7, DIRECTING A CHANGE ACCORDINGLY IN THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, REPEALER CLAUSE, SAVINGS CLAUSE, SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND EFFECTIVE DATE. >> ALL RIGHT, THIS ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A ZONING CASE, ZONING CASE 16, IT IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR A DAY CARE CENTER. YOU SEE JUST OFF ALMA DRIVE IN CROSS BEND ROAD. SO THIS SHOWS YOU THE AREA OF NOTICE, BOTH THE 200-FOOT NOTICE AND THE 500-FOOT NOTICE AS REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE. HERE IS ANOTHER AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF THE PROPERTY. IT IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH THE RELIGIOUS FACILITY THAT IS OPERATING ON SITE AND THE DAY CARE CENTER WILL BE UTILIZING THIS EXISTING RELIGIOUS FACILITY IN OURS THAT I BELIEVE ARE NOT CURRENTLY REALIZED BY THE GROUP THAT IS THERE. AT OTHER TIMES. SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES HAVE THIS AS NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND DASHBOARDS, AND FINDS THAT THIS DOES MEET BOTH THE DESCRIPTION AND PRIORITIES AND MIX OF USES, SO THIS CHANGE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE DID WANT TO NOTE THAT THERE IS SOMEWHAT OF A CONCENTRATION OF DAY CARE CENTER USES IN THIS AREA. TH YELLOW PROPERTIES NOTE OTHER DAY CARE SUPs IN THE VICINITY, AND THE BLUE AREA BEING THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. SO REGARDING RESPONSES, WE HAD TWO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION RECEIVED FROM PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET THAT RESULTED IN A 4.7% AMOUNT OF PROPERTY IN OPPOSITION, SO THERE'S NO SUPER MAJORITY REQUIREMENT ON THIS VOTE. THE TOTAL RESPONSES RECEIVED CITYWIDE DID HAVE A NUMBER OF CHANGESFTER P. THERE WERE TWO IN SUPPORT. 6 IN OPPOSITION FOR A TOTAL OF 8 RESPONSES. AND WITH THAT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS BY VOTE OF 7-0. THERE WAS ONE ABSTENTION DUE TO A CONFLICT. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> City Clerk: THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. THE PUBLIC HEARING CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO COUNCIL. >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBERS 15. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 7-0. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.