SEPTEMBER 6, 2022. PLANO PLANNIG AND ZONING COMMISSION >> Chair Downs: I'LL CALL THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING ON THIS EVENING, SEPTEMBER 6. WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] >> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PE SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON TH CURRENT AGENDA. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIF THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. >> Chair Downs: IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE HAVE ONE PERSON TO SPEAK BUT HE'S ALSO REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON ITEM 1A RIGHT? >> THIS IS CORRECT. HE WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT THE ZONING CASE AND FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS IT HAS TO BE ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. >> Chair Downs: THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO IF YOU REGISTERED FOR THIS AND ARE ALSO SPEAKING ON ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS, THEN WE WOULD NOT CALL YOU AT THIS TIME. LET'S MOVE ON TO CONSENT, PLEASE. >> CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON INNE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTROVERSIAL. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF. >> Chair Downs: WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MOVE AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HORNE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. PLEASE VOTE. CONSENT AGENDA CARRIES BY A VOTE OF 8-0. BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE REGULAR AGENDA, JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY A HEADS UP, WE KNOW THAT ITEMS 1A AND 1B ARE PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION TIME AND WE HAVE SOME ITEMS LATER IN THE AGENDA THAT ARE GOING TO MOVE VERY QUICKLY BUT THERE WILL BE PEOPLE SITTING HERE WAITING FOR THEIR POINTS. SO WE'RE GOING TO SHIFT THE AGENDA SLIGHTLY AND MOVE QUICKLY THROUGH ITEMS 3 THROUGH 7 SO THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT HERE LATE INTO THE EVENING AND ARE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR BUSINESS AND HEAD ON HOME TO SPEND THE TIME -- THE EVENING WITH THEIR FAMILIES. WOULD YOU CALL ITEM 3, PLEASE? >> ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSID. UNLESS INSTRUCTED OTHERWISE BY THE CHAIR, SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER REGISTRATIONS ARE RECEIVED. APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES OF PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME WITH THREE MINUTES PER ASSIGNED SPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY MEET CITY DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS. AGENDA ITEM NO. 3. PUBLIC HEARING - REPLAT: HOME DEPOT NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY ADDITION, BLOCK 1, LOT 1R - SUPERSTORE ON ONE LOT 10.1 ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF U.S. HIGHWAY 75 AND 13TH/14TH CONNECTOR. ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-472- CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NO. 618 FOR TRUCK/BUS LEASING. APPLICANT: HD DEVELOPMENT PROPERTIES, LP. ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS KATYA COPELAND AND I'M THE SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS REPLAT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? VERY GOOD. SEEING NONE, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE THE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. >> I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THIS ITEM AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY TO APPROVE ITEM 3 AS PRESENTED. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. ITEM 4. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 4. PUBLIC HEARING - PRELIMINARY REPLAT: PLANO/544 BUSINESS PARK ADDITION, BLOCK A, LOT 5R - MAJOR VEHICLE REPAIR ON ONE LOT ON 4.1 ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF PLANO PARKWAY AND CHARLES STREET. ZONED LIGHT COMMERCIAL. APPLICANT: PLANO PARKWAY PARTNERS, LLC. ADMINISTRATIVEON. >> THIS PRELIMINARY REPLAT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE THE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. >> I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE AS SUBMITTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY TO APPROVE ITEM 4 AS SUBMITTED. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. ITEM 5. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 5. PUBLIC HEARING - PRELIMINARY REPLAT AND REVISED SITE PLAN: MEMORY TECH, INC. PHASE 1 ADDITION, BLOCK A, LOT 1R - DATA CENTER ON ONE LOT ON 19.0 ACRES LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SUMMIT AVENUE, 1,315 FEET EAST OF JUPITER ROAD. ZONED RESEARCH CENTER AND LOCATED WITHIN THE 190 TOLLWAY/PLANO PARKWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT. APPLICANT: ALIGNED DATA CENTERS (DFW) PROPCO, LLC. ADMINISTRATIVE CON. >> THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND/OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. AND THE REVISED SITE PLAN IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS BMTED AND I WOULD BE HAP TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, THERE ARE NOT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE THE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NO. 5, PRELIMINARY REPLAT AS PRESENTED BY STAFF SUBJECT TO THE ADDITIONS AND/OR ALTERATIONS BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THEN WE ALSO MOVE ON TO APPROVE THE REVISED SITE PLAN AS SUBMITTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HORNE, WELL STATED, AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STONE TO APPROVE ITEM 5. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. ITEM 6. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 6. PUBLIC HEARING - PRELIMINARY REPLAT, PRELIMINARY PLAT, AND REVISED SITE PLAN: TINSELTOWN ADDITION, BLOCK A, LOTS 6R AND 9 - PROFESSIONAL/GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES ON TWO LOTS ON 11.9 ACRES LOCATED O THED BOULEVARD, 247 FEET SOUTH OF WINDHAVEN PARKWAY. ZONED REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AND REGIONAL EMPLOYMENT LOCATED WITHIN THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT. APPLICANT: ACRES OF SUNSHINE, LTD., AND PARKWOOD OFFICE PARTNERS, LP PR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. I'M PARKER McDOWELL WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND FINALLY RECOMMEND THE REVISED SITE PLAN FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED . >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, THERE ARE NOT. >> Chair Downs: I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WHO WANTS TO TAKE THIS ONE ON? >> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE REPLAT AND THE PLAT SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS TO QUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THAT WE -- I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE REVISED SITE PLAN AS SUBMITTED. >> I SECOND. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TONG TO APPROVE ITEM 6. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. ITEM 7. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 7. PUBLIC HEARING - REVISED PRELIMINARY REPLAT: WILLOW BEND POLO ESTATES PHASE B, BLOCK B, LOTS 1R-19 AND BLOCK X, LOTS 1-4 REVIEW PERIOD EXTENSION REQUEST FOR 19 PATIO HOME LOTS AND FOUR COMMON AREA LOTS ON 3.1 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF TURTLE CREEK DRIVE AND OLD WESTBURY LANE. ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-423- PATIO APPLICANT: SHADDOCK ACQUISITIONS, LLC. ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION GRANT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A 30-DAY REVIEW PERIOD EXTENSION AND TABLE THIS ITEM TO THE SEPTEMBER 19th PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. IT APPEARS WE HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. >> I DO. SO IF IN FACT THEY'RE NOT READY AFTER THIS 30-DAY EXTENSION, WHAT ARE THEIR OPTIONS PAST THIS? >> THEIR OPTIONS ARE THAT THE COMMISSION CAN TAKE A VOTE. IF THEY ARE REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL TABLING, THE COMMISSION CAN GNT THEM AN ADDITIONAL TABLE. >> SO THEY HAVE THAT AS AN OPTION? >> CORRECT. >> GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Chair Downs: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, THERE ARE NOT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GRANT THEIR EXTENSION FOR THE 30-DAY EXTENSION -- THEIR REQUEST FOR THE 30-DAY EXTENSION. >> SECOND. >> JUST FOR CLARITY, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO TABLE IT TO THE 19th BUT THAT'S NOT 30 DAYS. >> THAT'S CORRECT. THE STATE LAW ALLOWS A ONE-TIME 30-DAY EXTENSION SO THEY'RE REQUESTING THE 30-DAY EXTENSION. THEY COULD COME FORWARD AT THE NEXT MEETING ON THE 19th, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE TABLED TO. HOWEVER, IF IT'S NOT READY AT THAT TIME THEY MAY REQUEST A TABLE TO THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER, WHICH IS OCTOBER 3. BUT AT THIS TIME THEY ARE INTENDING TO GO ON SEPTEMBER 19th. >> THANK YOU. >> Chair Dns: S WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CARY TO APPROVE ITEM 7. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. PLEASE VOTE. GIVE US A SECOND. THERE WE GO. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO CIRCLE BACK TO ITEM 1. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, EVERYONE. WE'LL HEAR 1A AND 1B TOGETHER. IT'S MYNDERANDI WE HAVE ROUGHLY 24 SPEAKERS. OF THOSE, SEVEN ARE THE APPLICANT, THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. SO WE HAVE ABOUT 17 OTHER SPEAKERS. THE RULES SAY WE HAVE 30 MINUTES FOR ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION OR COMMUNICATION AROUND THIS ISSUE BUT I'M ALLOWED UNDER OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE TO EXTEND THAT TIME. TYPICALLY I WOULD SHORTEN THE SPEAKING TIME TO GET US CLOSER TO THE 30 MINUTES BUT I THINK I'M GOING TO JUST LEAVE IT AT THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON YOUR OWN, NOT AS AN APPLICANT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON YOUR OWN, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, IF SOMEBODY HAS STOOD UP AND SAID WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY SAID OR WANT TO SAY, FEEL FREE TO COME TO THE PODIUM, GIVE US YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND VERY BRIEFLY SAY I AGREE WITH WHAT WAS SAID BEFORE. I THINK THIS IS WRONG BECAUSE OF XYZ OR I SUPPORT IT BECAUSE OF XYZ. WE'LL MOVE MORE QUICKLY THROUGH IT. TRUST ME, IT WILL BE HEARD MORE CLEARLY FROM US THAN IF WE HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE SAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. IT'S MORE IMPACTFUL IF YOU'RE SHORT, SUCCINCT, AND TO THE POINT. WE'VE PROBABLY HEARD MOST OF WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD TO SAY ALREADY THROUGH E-MAIL COMMUNICATIONS, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO US TO HEAR YOU IN FRONT OF US. I KNOW IT'S NERVE RACKING IF YOU HAVEN'T STOOD UP BEFORE. WE DON'T BITE. IT WILL BE FINE. I PROMISE. LET'S GET ROLLING. AGENDA ITEM NO. 1A. PUBLIC HEARING: ZONING CASE 2022-00 - REQUEST TO AMEND AND EXPAND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-129- GENERAL OFFICE ON 63.6 ACRES AN TO RESCIND SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NO. 609 FOR HELISTOP ON 9.1 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF COIT ROAD AND 15TH ST ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-129- GENERAL OFFICE AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-137-GENERAL OFFICE WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NO. 60 FOR HELISTOP. PETITIONERS: HSP OF TEXAS, INC., COLUMBIA MEDICAL CENTER OF PLANO SUBSIDIARY, LP, HEALTH CARE PROPERTY INVESTORS, INC., DHC PLANO MEDICAL CENTER, LLC, ACRE OF SUNSHINE LTD., AND TEXAS PSYCHIATRIC CO., INC. LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION. ITEM NO. 1B. CONCEPT PLAN: AMERICAN DRIVE MEDICAL CENTER, BLOCK A, LOTS 1 AND 2R - HOSPITAL AND MEDICAL OFFICE ON TWO LOTS ON 42.6 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF COIT ROAD AND 15TH STREET. ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-129- GENERAL OFFICE AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-137-GENERAL OFFICE WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NO. 60 FOR HELISTOP. THIS PROJECT IS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. DONNA FALLETTA, I'M A SENIOR PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT . THIS REQUEST INCLUDES VARIOUS CHANGES TO EXPAND THE EXISTING HOSPITAL CAMPUS TO ALLOW FOR CONTINUED GROWTH AND IMPROVEMENT OF MEDICAL SERVICES. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. IN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES SURROUND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THERE ARE EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCES DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO WHERE THE HOSPITAL CHANGES ARE LOCATED . A CONCEPT PLAN HAS BEEN SUBMITTED WITH THE ZONING CASE TO SHOW THE PROPOSED CHANGES. THEETITIONER' REQST PROPOSES CHANGES TO SUPPORT THE HOSPITAL SERVICES. THE PETITIONER IS REQUESTING FOUR MAIN CHANGES. THEY ARE REQUESTING TO INCREASE AN EXISTING FOUR-STORY HOSPITAL BUILDING TO EIGHT STORIES AND PROPOSE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS FOR OTHER BUILDINGS, ALLOW HELISTOPS ON TOP OF THE EIGHT-STORY BUILDING AND RELOCATE THOSE STANDARDS FROM THE SPECIFIC-USE PERMIT TO THE PD AND LASTLY, MODIFY THE ORGANIZATION OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO CREATE THREE SUBAREAS . THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS EXTENSIVE ZONING HISTORY DETAILED IN THE STAFF REPORT. THE HOSPITAL PURCHASED THE LAND WHERE THE PROPOSED EIGHT-STORY BUILDING IS LOCATED IN 1988. ADJACENT SINGLE-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT OCCURRED BETWEEN 1972 AND 1989. THE PATIO HOMES WERE DEVELOPED BETWEEN 1991 AND 1998. LASTLY, THE PARK BLUFF CONDOMINIUMS AND THE APARTMENTS COMPLETED INSTRUCTION IN 1983. THE MOST RECENT ZONING CASE WAS IN 2018 TO ALLOW FOUR-STORY 80-FOOT TALL BUILDING APPROXIMATELY 80 FEET FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS FOR AN EIGHT-STORY BUILDING CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSAL IN THIS ZONING CASE. HOWEVER AT THE FEBRUARY 19, 2018 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, T AND RESPONSE TO THE DISCUSSION PETITIONER REDUCED THE HEIGHT FROM EIGHT STORIES TO FOUR STORIES . THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED EMPLOYMENT CENTERS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. STAFF ANALYZED THE PROPOSAL FOR CONFORMANCE WITH THE DESIRABLE CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS OF THE DASHBOARD. THE PROPOSAL INCREASES THE INTENSITY ON THE SITE BY INCREASING THE LOT COVERAGE. THE REQUEST BRINGS THE INTENSITY INTO CLOSER ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE DESIRABLE CHARACTER-DEFINING ELEMENTS FOR EM. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ANALYSIS INCLUDED SEVERAL POLICIES THAT ARE LISTED ON THE SCREEN. THE REQUEST IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAND USE POLICY, LAND USE POLICY ACTION 5. HOWEVER, THE PLAN IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY POLICY ACTION 5. THE SCREEN SHOWS A SUMMARY OF HOW THE REQUEST COMPLIES WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE PETITIONER IS PROPOSING TO REORGANIZE THE PD DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY IS CURNTLY ZONED PD 129 GENERAL OFFICE AND PD 137 GENERAL OFFICE WITH SPECIFIC-USE PERMIT AS SHOWN ON THE IMAGE ON THE LEFT . THE PETITIONER IS PURCHASING A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ZONED PD 137 GENERAL OFFICE. DUE TO THIS, THE PETITIONER IS REQUESTING TO REMOVE PD 137 AND INCORPORATE THE LAND INTO PD 129. THE PETITIONER IS PROPOSING TO SUBDIVIDE PD 129 INTO THREE SUBAREAS AS SHOWN ON THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT. SUBAREA A IS THE REMAINING LAND THAT THE HOSPITAL ISOT PURC. THE PD STANDARDS ARE NOT CHANGING. SUBAREA B IS THE HOSPITAL CAMPUS. THE HOSPITAL IS EXPANDING AND THE PETITIONER IS PROPOSING CHANGES TO THE STANDARDS TO ACCOMMODATE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. LASTLY, SUBAREA C INCLUDES THE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE HOSPITAL AND SOUTH OF 15th STREET. THE REQUIRED USES AND STANDARDS FOR THESE PROPERTIES REMAIN EXCEPT FOR PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SCREENING ALONG THE CORNERS. LASTLY, THE PETITIONER IS ALSO REQUESTING TO REMOVE THE SPECIFIC-USE PERMIT FOR THE HELISTOPS AND INCORPORATE IT INTO THE PD LANGUAGE. WITH THIS REQUEST THE PETITIONER PROPOSES TO INCREASE AN EXISTING FOUR-STORY 80-FOOT TALL HOSPITAL BUILDING TO EIGHT STORIES, 142 FEET IN HEIGHT. THE PROPOSED EIGHT-STORY BUILDING WILL BE SET BACK 80 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE. IF THE PETITIONER WERE TO CONSTRUCT THE EIGHT-STORY BUILDING PER THE CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A 259-FOOT SETBACK FROM THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT BOUNDARY LINE SHOWN IN YELLOW. TO OFFSET THE INCREASE IN BUILDING HEIGHT, THE ZONING REQUEST INCLUDES ADDING A RESIDENTIAL BUFFER AREA DESIGNATED BY THE BLUE LINE ON YOUR SCREEN. IT RESTRICTS ANY BUILDINGS TO A MAXIMUM OF TWO STORIES, 35 FEET IN HEIGHT. AND PLEASE NOTE THIS GRAPHIC IS FROM THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS THREE HELISTOPS LOCATED ON THE GROUND TO THE WEST OF THE EXISTING FOUR-STORY HOSPITAL BUILDING. THESE ARELLOW BY P NO. 609. THE SUP HAS A RESTRICTION THAT HELISTOPS MUST BE LOCATED A MINIMUM OF 300 FEET AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL ZONED PROPERTIES. THE PETITIONER IS REQUESTING TO REMOVE THE SUP FOR HELISTOP AND INCORPORATE THE NEW RESTRICTIONS INTO THE PD LANGUAGE. THE PETITIONER IS REQUESTING TO MOVE THE HELISTOPS TO THE TOP OF THE PROPOSED EIGHT-STORY BUILDING AS SHOWN ON THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT. THE PROPOSED HELIPAD SETBACK IS 98 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL ZONED DISTRICTS. AND 80 FEET FOR NETTING AND EQUIPMENT. THE PETITIONER IS PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN THE 300OOT SEPARATION FOR GROUND-LEVEL HELISTOPS. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN AND ENHANCE SCREENING ON SITE. THE MAIN CHANGES WILL BE OCCURRING IN SUBAREA B WHERE THE HOSPITAL IS EXPANDING. PROPOSED SCREENING METHODS INCLUDE MASONRY WALLS, TREES, AND LARGE LANDSCAPED AREAS. TO SUPPORT THEIR REQUEST, THE PETITIONER HAS PROVIDED VARIOUS DOCUMENTS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND HAS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. I WILL TOUCH ON A FEW OF THESE DOCUMENTS TONIGHT. FIRST, THE CLINICAL COMMENTARY ON TIME STUDY WAS SUBMITTED AS A RESPONSE TO STAFF'S REQUEST TO RELOCATE THE PROPOSED HELISTOPS FURTHER AWAY FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENTS. THE PETITIONER EVALUATED ONE OTHER LOCATION ON SITE, WHICH IS THE SIX-STORY -- THE PROPOSED SIX-STORY BUILDING TO THE WEST OF THE PROPOSED EIGHT-STORY BUILDING. THE PETITIONER FOUND THE TRAVEL TIME FROM THE HE HELIPAD IS 2 MINUTES AND 29 SECONDS. NEXT, THE PETITIONER SUBMITTED A SOLAR STUDY TO SHOW EXISTING AND PROPOSED CONDITIONS ON FEBRUARY 14. AND LASTLY THE PETITIONER SUBMITTED A NOISE STUDY TO COMPARE HELICOPTER NOISE LEVELS AT THE EXISTING HELISTOPS VERSUS THE PROPOSED HELISTOPS. THE NOISE STUDY SHOWED THAT IF MOVED TO THE FUTURE EIGHT-STORY ADDITION, THE DECIBELS WOULD INCREASE BY ONE AND THE STUDIES INDICATE BEEEN AND 95 DECIBELS.E AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER HAS SUBMITTED STUDIES FOR THE COMMISSIONERS' CONSIDERATION. THE STUDIES SHOWN ON THE SCREEN WERE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. SUMMARY AND ANALYSIS ARE NOT DONE ON INFORMATION SUBMITTED OUTSIDE OF THE PETITION PROCESS BUT IT HAS BEEN PROVIDED FOR THE COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION. AND THE NEXT FEW SLIDES SHOW THE PETITIONER'S RUESTED PLANNED DELOPMENT LANGUAGE. I'LLUICK SKI THROUGH THEM AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS WE CAN COME BACK TO THEM. THE SLIDE ON THE SCREEN SHOWS A SUMMARY OF THE REQUESTED CHANGES. IT IS A COMPLEX CASE BUT THERE ARE FOUR MAIN ISSUES. INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF THE HOSPITAL BUILDING, MOVING THE HELISTOPS, ADDING AND UPDATING SCREENING, AND MODIFYING THE ORGANIZATION OF THE PD TO CREATE THREE SUBAREAS. WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT A LOT OF INFORMATION HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC. THE HOSPITAL STAFF, THEIR REPRESENTATIVES, AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE ALL WORKED DILIGENTLY WITH STAFF TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION IN THE PACKET. WE RECEIVED SEVEN RESPONSES IN OPPOSITION WITHIN THE 200-FOOT BUFFER. AND WE DID RECEIVE FOUR DUPLICATE RESPONSES FOR A TOTAL OF 11 RESPONSES WITHIN THE 200-FOOT BUFFER. AND WE RECEIVED 185 CITYWIDE RESPONSES, 40 IN SUPPORT, FIVE NEUTRAL, AND 140 IN OPPOSITION. AND WE DID RECVE 19 DUPLICATE RESPONSES AND FOUR RESPONSES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF PLANO FOR A TOTAL OF 208 RESPONSES. AND THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ZONING CASE AND CONCEPT PLAN IS LISTED IN YOUR PACKET AND ON THE SCREEN. AND THAT DOES CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HEARD A CLICK. I KNEW MR. BRONSKY WOULD HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE SOME AS WELL BUT I'LL LET THE REST OF THE COMMISSION GO AHEAD. MR. BRONSKY. Bronsky: COU YOU GO BACK TO PAGE 18 ON YOUR PRESENTATION? >> YES. IT MIGHT BE EASIER IF PTN CAN GO TO SLIDE 18 FOR ME. >> Bronsky: CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE LAND USE POLICY AND THE LAND USE POLICY ACTION 5 DIFFICULTIES THAT THIS CASE IS PRESENTING? >> SURE. THE REQUEST IS NOT IN CONFORMANCE WITH THESE TWO POLICIES AND I MIGHT HAVE MR. BE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MANAGER, SPEAK TO THESE TWO POLICIES IN GREATER DETAIL. >> SURE. THESE SPECIFIC POLICIES ARE ABOUT HAVING A DEVELOPMENT PATTERN THAT IS MEETING MULTIPLE GOALS BUT ONE OF THOSE IS RESPECTING EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. AND SO THE HEIGHT AND PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, WE DIDN'T THINK THEY PROVIDED AN ADEQUATE RESIDENTIAL SETBACK TO MEET THE SPIRIT OF THESE POLICIES. >> Bronsky: OKAY. MY SECOND QUESTION WAS ZONING CASE 2017-37 THAT YOU REFERENCED EARLIER, AT THAT TIME YOU SAID IT WAS SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US AND IT WAS AN EIGHT-STORY BUILDING, CORRECT? WHAT WAS THE CITY'S POSITION AS FAR AS ITS CONFORMANCE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THEN? >> I BELIEVE AT THAT TIME FOR THE EIGHT-STORY BUILDING WE WERE RECOMMENDING DENIAL. >> Bronsky: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: CLARIFICATION ON THE LAND USE POLICY. SO THE LAND USE POLICY, YOU SAID THIS WOULD NOT BE IN CONFORMANCE BUT THAT POLICY DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING AUT IT JUST SAYS THAT WE SHOULD SUPPORT A SYSTEM OF ORGANIZED LAND USE THAT RESPECTS THE VIABILITY AND QUALITY OF LIFE, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO JUDGE HERE, IF THIS RESPECTS THAT QUALITY OF LIFE BALANCE CORRECT? >> YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. HOWEVER, GIVEN THE LARGE ACREAGE OF THE SITE, WE THINK THERE'S POSSIBILITIES THEY CAN BETTER MEET THIS POLICY BY SHIFTING THINGS AROUND A BIT AND PROVIDING A BETTER TRANSITION AND SETBACK FROM THE RESIDENTIAL USES AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PLACES A BIG EMPHASIS ON ADJACENCY TO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE'S A LOT OF EMPHASIS ON THAT IN THE PLAN AND FOR THOSE REASONS STAFF FELT IT WAS NOT IN CONFORANCE WITH THAT POLICY. >> Olley: SECOND QUESTION. ALL OF THE STUDIES THAT WE WERE SHOWN HERE BY THE APPLICANT, WHEN THEY CAME FIRST FOUR YEARS AO, WERE THOSE STUDIES A PART OF THIS PACKET OR THESE ARE NEW TO THIS CURRENT SUBMISSION? >> THESE STUDIES ARE NEW TO THIS APPLICATION. >> Olley: OKAY. AND LAS QUESTION. PD 134 V. 129, ARE THERE ANY DISTINCTIVE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE TWO PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS, WHAT IS ALLOWED? >> PD 137 HAS DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS BUT THEY'RE PLANNING ON CARRYING THOSE OVER INTO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 129. PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 137 CANNOT REMAIN BECAUSE SINCE THEY'RE PURCHASING LAND AND REZONING A PORTION, THE REMAINING IS UNDR FIVE ACRES, WHICH DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENT TO BE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. >> Olley: RIGHT. SO THEY ESSENTIALLY -- SO IS PD 137 A LITTLE BIT MORE FORGIVING THAN 129? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY IT'S NOT THE REVERSE CASE, WHY WE ARE ESSENTIALLY USING THAT SMALL PORTION OF LAND AND MAKING IT 129, WHY ARE WE CARRYING THE GUIDELINES OF 137 INTO 129? >> I THINK SINCE THE HOSPITAL IS PURCHASING A PORTION OF 137 AND INCORPORATING IT INT THEIR LARGER LOT, THEN THIS ONE LOT WOULD BE SPLIT BETWEEN TWO ZONING DISTRICTS AND THAT'S TYPICALLY NOT WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND DOING. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT WE REMOVE PD 137 AND INCORPORATE THOSE RESTRICTIONS INTO PD 129. >> Olley: OKAY. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: JUST A COUPLE OF SHORT QUESTIONS. ONE OF THE THINGS -- I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY WAS OTHER HELIPADS WOULD BE 300 FEET& AWAY AS OPPOSED TO THE ONES ON THE ROOF. DID YOU SAY THAT? MY QUESTION IS ARE THEY ANTICIPATING ADDITIONAL NEED FOR OTHER LANDING SPACES? >> THEY ARE NOT SHOWING ANY GROUND-LEVEL HELISTOPS WITH THE NEW REQUEST BUT IF THEY WERE TO ADD ANY MORE HELISTOPS ON THE GROUND, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE 300 FEET AWAY FROM THE THE >> Cary: THEY'RE ANTICIPATING A POSSIBLE NEED FOR THAT WITH THAT REQUEST, RIGHT? >> I WOULD DEFER TO THE APPLICANT. >> Cary: MY SECOND QUESTION IS THERE'S NOT ARAFFIC STUDY DONE HERE AND I GUESS IT WAS NOT ■NEEDED, MAYBE? BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IT SEEMS AS IF WE'LL HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE BUSINESS COMING THROUGH THIS AND IF WE DON'T HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY IN ADVANCE OF IT, MIGHT WE BE DOING A TRAFFIC STUDY TOO LATE LATER? YOU KNOW, SO -- >> WHEN THEY COME IN WITH THEIR PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, IF TRAFFIC DETERMINES THAT A THRESHOLD FOR A TIA IS NEEDED, THEY WILL HAVE TO SUBMIT ONE BEFORE ANY PERMITS WILL BE RELEASED AND IF THEY MAKE CHANGES IT WILL HAVE TO BE ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THE EXISTING ZONING DISTRICT. >> Cary: I THINK IT'S OBVIOUS IF THIS GOES THROUGH THAT THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC HERE. HOW SIGNIFICANT IT IS, I GUESS IS YET TO BE DETERMINED. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Chair Downs: ANYONE ELSE? >> YES. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER STONE. >> Stone: YES, JUST QUICKLY. DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH OF THE HOSPITAL TRACT, THERE'S A LOVELY FLAT GREEN AREA WHERE I'M SURE THE KIDS PLAY BALL. IS THERE ANY LIKELIHOOD THAT THAT TRACT MIGHT SHOW UP WITH A TEN-STORY BUILDING ON IT SOME DAY IN THE FUTURE? DO WE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT EMPTY TRACT? >> I DON'T HAVE INFORMATION AT THIS TIME. I DON'T BELIEVE THE HOSPITAL OWNS IT. >> Stone: IT DOES APPEAR IT'S NOT PART OF THEIR MASTER PLAN. >> IT'S NOT PART OF THIS REQUEST. >> Stone: BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHO HAS IT AND WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS MIGHT BE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Stone: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. I'VE READ YOUR REPORT LIKE THREE TIMES. I FIND SOMETHING NEW EVERY TIME I READ IT, SO BEAR WITH ME. THE EXISTING ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING HELIPADS HAS A 1,000 FOOT SPACING BUT AN EXEMPTION FOR HOSPITALS AND EMERGENCY MEDICAL FLIGHT OPERATIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Ratliff: IS THERE ANY RESTRICTION ON HELLI PORTS CURRENT ORDINANCE? >> EMERGENCY MEDICAL FLIGHT OPERATIONS? >> NO, THEY'RE EXEMPT FROM THOSE STANDARDS. THEY DO NEED A SPECIFIC-USE PERMIT IN SOME ZONING DISTRICTS SO THAT'S WHY IT'S BEING INCORPORATED INTO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT LANGUAGE HERE. >> Ratliff: YOU'RE AHEAD OF ME ONE STEP. THANK YOU. THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION. THAT'S THE NEED FOR THE SPECIFIC-USE PERMIT? >> AND THEN THEY ARE PROPOSING THE 300-FOOT SEPARATION. THEY'RE ADDING SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THEMSELVES. >> Ratliff: OKAY. THAT CLARIFIES MY THOUGHT. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: YOU TOUCHED ON ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT. JUST TO CLARIFY, SO UNDER AN EXEMPTION, HELLIPORTS CAN LOCATE HERE. I THINK THIS HAS BEEN SPOKEN BEFORE BUT THERE'S NOT A NOISE ORDINANCE APPLICABLE IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION EITHER, CORRECT? BECAUSE OF THEIR EXEMPTION TO OPERATE, ARE THEY SUBJECT TO ANY OTHER ORDINANCE RELATED TO NOISE? THE IS A NOISE ORDINANCE BUT EMERGENCY FLIGHT PURPOSES ARE ALSO OMITTED FROM THOSE REQUIREMENTS. >> Chair Downs: JUST TO VERIFY ON YOUR SLIDE, YOU SAID SOMETHING BUT THE SLIDE WAS SAYING SOMETHING. IS IT GOING TO TAKE THE HELICOPTER LONGER, THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR THE NOISE LONGER LANDING ON TOP OF THESE BUILDINGS THAN IT TAKES THEM TO LAND CURRENTLY ON THE GROUND? >> SO THEY WILL BE IN THE AIR FOR LESS TIME WITH THE EIGHT-STORY BUILDING BUT THE NOISE LEVELS WILL REMAIN ABOVE 92 DBA FOR LGER. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE 15 MINUTES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. PT, ADVANCE TO THE APPLICANT'S SLIDES. >> Chair Downs: MY GUESS IS WE'LL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU LATER. SO WE'LL GIVE THE APPLICANT 15 MINUTES AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO SPEAKERS AFTER THAT. AND THEN WHEN THE SPEAKERS ARE WRAPPED UP, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THIS IS KIND OF COMPLEX SO I MIGHT BE A LITTLE LENIENT ON THE TIMES. I'M NOT GOING TO BANG THE GAVEL A BUNCH, JUST UNDERSTAND THAT WE'VE ALL READ THROUGH ALL THE PROPOSALS. WE'RE GOING TO WATCH YOUR DEAL. WE MAY ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS BUT LET'S JUST ALL BE COGNIZANT OF THE TIME, OKAY? SO I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD AND ADDRESS T COMMISSION. >> WE HAVE SEVEN REGISTERED APPLICANT OR PROJECT REPRESENTATIVES. WOULD YOU LIKE ALL OF THEM TO COME DOWN AND BE SEATED TO PREPARE TO STEP IN WHEN IT'S TIME? >> Chair Downs: I WOULD ASK WHO'S HEAD SPEAKER, SO TO SPEAK? OKAY. ARE ALL SEVEN GOING TO SPEAK? THAT'S GOING TO GIVE YOU TWO MINUTES A SPEAK OR SOMETHING. >> ONLY THREE FOR THE PRESENTATION. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. IF THE THREE WANT TO COME DOWN AND JUST BE HANDY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. >> READY? >> Chair Downs: READY. >> GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> GOOD EVENING, JIRA SIMS, I'M THE CEO. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPRESENT OUR 1500 PHYSICIANS HERE . I THINK THIS PLAN INCORPORATES TWO MAJOR ASPECTS. NUMBER ONE IS PATIENT SAFETY. EVEN A FIVE-SECOND DELAY TO GET INTO THAT MOST CRITICAL CARE IS FIVE SECONDS TOO LONG. THE SECOND ONE IS AS WE GROW WITH THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE OUT OF SPACE. THERE ISN'T A DAY THAT GOES BY THAT WE DON'T HAVE 15 TO 20 PATIENTS HOLDING IN OUR EMERGENCY ROOM BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET A BED BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF CAPACITY. THOSE WERE THE TWO GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WE TOOK WHENEVER WE REFERENCED THIS. WITH RESPECT TO 2019 EQUALLY, WHAT NONE OF US FORECAST IS COVID-19 AND OBVIOUSLY THAT PLACED AN INCREASED DEMAND ON OUR ABILITY TO CARE FOR THESE PATIENTS BUT WE WERE HONORED TO BE ABLE TO STEP UP AND CARE FOR THE CITY OF PLANO AND COLLIN COUNTY AT-LARGE IN A VERY SPECIFIC WAY. BUT, AGAIN, I'M HONORED TO BE THE CEO OF MEDICAL CITY PLANO. OUR CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER WILL ALSO SPEAK, ALONG WITH DR. SCOTT, OUR CHIEF OF STAFF AND IS ALSO A MEDICAL DIRECTOR FOR ONE OF THE LOCAL -- STATEWIDE HELICOPTERS. WE WERE THE FIRST HOSPITAL IN THE COMMUNITY, BUILT IN 1975 . OVER 48 YEARS, WE WENT FROM A 68-BED HOSPITAL TO RIGHT NOW WE ARE A 603 LICENSED BED HOSPITAL. WHY IS THAT GROWTH IMPORTANT? IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE POPULATION IN 1975, IT WAS 34,000. CITY OF PLANO IS RIGHT AT 285,000 PERSONS. IN COLLIN COUNTY IT WAS 99,000. BUT THE COLLIN COUNTY IS NOW OVER A MILLION PEOPLE. AS WE HAVE ACTUALLY MATURED, OUR HOSPITAL SERVICES, WE HAVE MATURED IT IN A WAY THAT NOT ONLY MET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY BUT CONTINUES TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE THINKING OF A HIGH-QUALITY AND HIGH-CAPABLE WAY. LEVEL ONE TRAUMA IS DEFINED BY THE MOST ACUTE TRAUMA YOU CAN HAVE, THINK PENETRATING GUNSHOT WOUNDS, CAR WRES, ANHING THAT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU CAN BE TREATED AT MEDICAL CITY PLANO , THE ONLY HOSPITAL LEVEL ONE TRAUMA CENTER IN PLANO. SECONDLY, WE HAVE THE ONLY BURN VERIFIED IN COLLIN COUNTY. THERE ARE TWO BURN CENTERS IN DFW, ONE BEING AT MEDICAL CITY PLANO. WE JUST GOT TO DISCHARGE A PATIENT THAT WAS A 95% BURN FROM A GAS EXPLOSION. WE HAD TO GROW THE SKIN AND BOSTON HAD TO SHIP IT IN TO BE ABLE TO TRANS TRANSPLANT& IT ON THE PATIENT. EQUALLY YOU CAN SEE THE COMPREHENSIVE STROKE, BUT THESE SERVICES IS WHAT WE UNIQUELY OFFER TO THE CITY OF PLANO AND THE CAPACITY ALLOWS US TO NOT ONLY CONTINUE TO OFFER THOSE SERVICES BUT CONTINUE TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT MEETS THE GROWING COMMUNITY. YOU CAN SEE OUR LEVEL ONE TRAUMA CENTER. OUR BURN CENTER, AGAIN, ONE OF ONLY TWO BURN CENTERS IN ALL OF DFW. OUR ECMO CENTERS. THAT STANDS FOR EXTRA CORPORAL MEMBRANE OXYGENATION. IT'S LIFE SUPPORT FOR YOUR HEART AND LUNGS. DURING COVID-19, WE WERE THE ONLY HOSPITAL IN THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT OFFERED ECMO WHH MEANS IF NOT FOR ECMO,S, THE MORTALITY IS SOMEWHERE IN THE 80 TO 90% RANGE FOR THAT INFIRMITY. IT'S A LAST-DITCH EFFORT WE HAVE TO SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE BUT WE OFFER BOTH OF THOSE SERVICES AT MEDICAL CITY PLANO. YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER SERVICES THAT WE OFFER AND YOU CAN SEE THE 24,000 PATIENTS WE TREATED IN 2021. BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY WITH THE GROWTH OF THE COMMUNITY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BAR CHART JUST TO ORIENT YOU TO THE LOWER LEFT HAND, 2014, THAT'S OUR ADMISSION GROWTH UP THROUGH 2021. AS YOU CAN SEE JUST A PROFOUND GROWTH UP TO 24,000 OVER THE TRAILING NINE YEARS. AGAIN, WE'RE AT CAPACITY AT THIS POINT. YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE JUST A LIST OF OTHER WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER LARGER HOSPITALS. MEDICAL CITY PLANO IS THE FIFTH LARGEST HOSPITAL IN DFW WITH THE UNIQUE CAPACITY TO TREAT PATIENTS FOR ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES, BECAUSE I'M SURE,& LIKE MOST OF US, THEY WAIT IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM TO RECEIVE CRE. HERE'S OUR ECMO PROGRAM, THE LARGEST IN DFW, AND OUR MORTALITY RATES IS 40% BETTER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, WHICH MEANS ON AVERAGE, IF YOU COME TO OUR HOSPITAL FOR ECMO, YOU HAVE A 60% GREATER CHANCE OF SURVIVING OUR ECMO ENCOUNTER AS WELL. LEVEL ONE TRAUMA, AGAIN, THE ONLY LEVEL ONE TRAUMA IN THE CITY OF PLANO AND THE ONLY ONE IN COLLIN COUNTY. WE'RE TREATING THE SICKEST OF THE SICK AND PARTICULARLY THE ONES YOU OFTEN SEE ON THE NEWS HEADLINES ARE TREATED AT PLANO MEDICAL AS WELL. VERY PROUD OF THIS BURN CENTER. WE HAVE TREATED NUMEROUS PATIENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF PLANO BUT WE'RE THERE AND ABLEOAVE THESE PATIENTS' LIVES AS WELL. IN 2021 WE PAID $16 MILLION IN LOCAL TAXES. BUT THE OVERALL ECONOMIC BENEFIT OF OUR ECOSYSTEM IS $776 MILLION AS WELL. PROJECTED WITH THIS EXPANSION, WE'RE GOING TO INVEST RIGHT AT A HALF A BILLION DOLLARS OVER 10 TO 15 YEARS TO CONTINUE TO GROW AND MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S OUR SOLE FOCUS. THE TOTAL ECONOMIC BENEFIT WE PROJECT TO THE CITY OF PLANO AND TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS IS RIGHT AT $1.1 BIION AT THE CONCLUSION OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT AS WELL. WE ARE A TAX-PAYING ENTITY, UNLIKE OTHER HOSPITALS THAT ARE NOT FOR PROFIT OR FAITH BASED. FINAL SLIDE, WE TALK ABOUT THE GROWTH AND EXPANSION. WHAT I'M REALLY PROUD OF IS OUR QUALITY OUTCOMES. OUR MORTALITY INDEX IS .56, WHICH MEANS WE'RE 44% BETTER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, WHICH MEANS ON AVERAGE IF YOU COME TO MEDICAL CITY PLANO, THAT'S YOUR ABILITY TO SURVIVE WHATEVER AILMENT THAT YOU PRESENT WITH. IN 2021, 385ATIENTS WALKED OUT OF OUR HOSPITAL THAT OTHERWISE WOULD NOT HAVE BASED ON OUR AGGRESSIVE COMMITMENT TO QUALITY AND ULTIMATELY HOW WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REDUCE OUR OVERALL MORTALITY RATES AS WELL. A FINAL SLIDE FOR ME IS THAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 24, 25 PATIENTS HOLDING IN OUR EMERGENCY ROOM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR THEM AT THE HOSPITAL. THIS IS WHY THE EXPANSION IS SO IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT EQUALLY TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE, EVERY SECOND COUNTS AND WE FEEL THE PLAN WE HAVE IN PLACE LIMITS THE TIME TO, OPERATING ROOMS, AND MAKE IT TO A BED. LAST THING WE WANT IS THAT 95% BURNED PATIENT SPENDING A MINUTE LONGER IN THE HOSPITAL TRAVERSING THE HOSPITAL WHILE THE OTHER PATHOGENS ARE THERE AS WELL. WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO OUR CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER CHRISTINA. >> THANK YOU AND THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT ON THIS ON BEHALF OF OUR FACILITY THIS EVENING. SO WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS AN OVERVIEW OF OUR EXISTING CONDITIONS. OUR GOAL WAS TO TAKE OUR EXPANSION AND REALLY TNK THROUGH WHAT WOULD ARESS OUR CURRENT CAPACITY NEEDS AS WELL AS THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE IN THE FUTURE OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO GROW WITH THE CITY OF PLANO AS WE HAVE DONE HISTORICALLY. [LOST AUDIO] ENSURING A PATIENT-CENTERED APPROACH AND OPTIMAL CLINICAL OUTCOMES. SORRY. >> Chair Downs: KEEP TRYING. >> I'M WORRIED THAT IT'S MY JEWELRY OR SOMETHING. MAYBE IT'S MY HEELS. THE DESIGN CONSIDERATIS, WE FOCUSED ON ENSURING A PATIENT-CENTERED APPROACH. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REALLY ASSESS WHAT SERVICES WE WOULD NEED TO EXPAND, WHAT RESOURCES THOSE SERVICES WOULD NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL, AND IN WHAT PROXIMITY THOSE RESOURCES NEEDED TO BE. OUR PROPOSAL INCLUDES INPATIENT BED EXPANSIONS, PARKING GARAGE EXPANSION, AND MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS TO OUR SITE. THE MOST IMMEDIATE URGENT NEED THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IS EXPANSION OF OUR BURN, TRAUMA, AND CRITICAL CARE UNIT. THIS PATIENT POPULATIONEEDS TO HD TO THE ROOF, WHICH I WILL GET INTO DETAIL ON SHORTLY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY FOCUSED ON IN THIS PROJECT IS DESIGNING FOR CLINICAL OUTCOMES. I WANT TO ADDRESS WHAT MAKES A TRAUMA OR BURN PATIENT DIFFERENT FROM A STANDARD PATIENT SEEKING MEDICAL CARE AT OUR HOSPITAL. WITH TRAUMA PATIENTS, THE MOST IMMEDIATE RESPONSE UPON ARRIVAL IS CRITICAL TO THEIR SURVIVAL. AS JIREH SHARED, EVERY MINUTE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND CAN BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH. ENSURING WE CAN RECEIVE THEM IN A LOCATION THAT'S CLOSEST TO THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT OR THE OPERATING ROOM OPTIMIZING THEIR CARE, WHETHER WE ARE RECEIVING THEM VIA THE HELICOPTER OR EMERGENCY ENTRANCE. THE OTHER PIECE IS ENSURING THOSE PATIENTS HAVE QUICK AND EASY TRANSPORT TO THE OPERATING ROOM WHILE IN OUR SERVICE. A PATIENT MAY BE SITTING ON A UNIT AND IMMEDIATELY HAVE SOME SORT OF CLINICAL ABNORMALITY THAT REQUIRES SURGICAL INTERVENTION. ENSURING THEY HAVE THAT TRANSPORT TO THE OPERATING ROOM IS CRITICAL TO THEIR CARE. IN THE BURN PATIENT POPULATION, ONE OF THE HIGHEST RISKS TO SURVIVABILITY IS INFECTION. THESE PATIENTS ARE BEING TAKEN IN THE MOST VULNERABLE STATE AND EVERY TRANSPORT IS A VERY HIGH RISK ENDEAVOR. MINIMIZING TRANSPORT TIME WITH THIS PATIENT POPULATION IS ESSENTIAL BECAUSE UNNECESSARY EXPOSURE TO THE ENVIRONMENT, TO OTHER ASPECTS OF THE HOSPITAL CAN PUT THEM AT INCREASED RISK AND IT JUST TAKES ONE MICRO ORGANISM LANDING IN THE WRONG SPOT TO PUT THAT PATIENT AT RISK. WE CONDUCTED A TIME STUDY AS SUMMARIZED, THAT PROVIDED ANALYSIS OF ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS WHERE WE TRIED TO SEE IF WE COULD MOVE THESE PATIENTS WITHIN OUR PLANS. UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN THE CLOSEST LOCATION IN AN ALTERNATE TOWER DOUBLED THE TRANSPORT TIME FOR THESE PATIENTS AND CREATED UNNECESSARY RISK TO OPTIMAL PATIENT CARE. I'M GOING TO TOUCH BRIEFLY ON OUR HELIPADS, JUST TO GIVE SOME PERSPECTIVE ON OUR CURRENT STATUS AND OUR OPTIMAL REQUEST OF MOVING THEM TO THE ROOF. THESE HELIPADS BEING LOCATED ON THE GROUND AFFECTS US IN THREE SIGNIFICANT WAYS. NUMBER ONE BEING SAFETY. EVERY TIME A HELICOPTER ARRIVES TO OUR HOSPITAL CURRENTLY, OURECURY TEAM MUST BE DEPLOYED FROM THE HOSPITAL TO STOP TRAFFIC. HELICOPTERS MUST WAIT FOR THE AREA TO BE CLEARED. EMS AMBULANCES MUST ALSO WAIT TO DROP OFF THE PATIENTS UNTIL THE ROAD IS CLEARED. THIS RESULTS IN DELAYED CLINICAL CARE AND INTERVENTION FOR BOTH HELICOPTER ARRIVAL PATIENTS AND EMS ARRIVAL PATIENTS. THIS HELIPAD LOCATION ALSO IMPACTS OUR GROWTH PLANS. WE ARE UNABLE TO EXPAND NORTH ON OUR CAMPUS WITH THE ADDITIONAL TOWER THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PLACE AS WELL AS THE PARKING GARAGE BY KEEPING THEM IN THAT CURRENT LOCATION. THERE'S ALSO AN IMPACT ON NOISE. FINDN INCASE IN THEDID NOT OVERALL SOUND WITH THE HELICOPTER ARRIVAL ON THE PATIENT TOWER, WE DID IDENTIFY TAKING A HELICOPTER FROM THE HEIGHT THAT IT IS IN THE AIR ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND VERSUS ALL THE WAY TO JUST AN EIGHT-STORY BUILDING WOULD REDUCE DURATION OF THAT NOISE. ROOFTOP HELICOPTER PADS REMOVE THE RISK OF A VARIETY OF OBSTRUCTIONS AND INCREASE SECURITY FOR ARRIVAL OF MOST CRITICAL PATIENTS. THOSE THAT ARE TO ACCESS THOSE PATIENTS ON THAT HELIPAD ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE ACCESS TO THAT ROOF. ALLOWING DIRECT ACCESS TO THE DEDICATED ELEVATORS IMPROVES TIMELINESS OF CARE. BY RELOCATING OUR HELIPAD, THE SAFETY AND TIMELINESS OF CARE FOR OUR PATIENTS WILL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE. WE WILL BE ABLE TO EXPAND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CAMPUS AND EXECUTE ON THOSE ADDITIONAL EXPANSION PLANS. AND WOULD REDUCE THE NOISE DURATION WITH HELICOPTER ARRIVALS. OVER THE PAST NINE MONTHS WE HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS TO OUR PROPOSAL BASED ON COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WE PRESENTEDO RESIDENTS THAT WE INVITED TO HEARING AND FEEDBACK SESSIONS IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY OF LAST YEAR. SOME OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS THAT WE IMMEDIATELY ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS IN OUR FIRST REVISION OF THE PLANS WAS THE PARKING GARAGE LOCATION THAT YOU SEE IN SPOT LETTER A. THE RESIDENTS HAD RAISED CONCERNS REGARDING THE LOCATION OF THIS PARKING GARAGE BEING IN THEIR BACKYARDS AND THE PRIVACY THAT WOULD IMPACT. THE OTHER CONCERN THAT WOULD RAISED WAS THE PROPERTY LINE TRAFFIC OF CARS AND VEHICLES GOING TO OUR LOADING DOCK OF THE HOSPITAL AS WELL AS A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL PRIVACY IN THAT AREA. THE OTHER CONCERN THAAS RAISED TO ADDRESS WAS THE POTENTIAL NOISE IMPACT OF HELIPADS BEING RELOCATED TO THE ROOF OF OUR C TOWER. IN RESPONSE TO THIS FEEDBACK, WE RELOCATED THE PARKING GARAGE FROM THE EXISTING LOCATION -- FROM THE ORIGINAL LOCATION TO THE FRONT OF OUR CAMPUS ON THE CORNER OF COIT AND 15th. THIS REQUIRED US ELIMINATING A TOWER FROM OUR PLAN COMPLETELY TO ACCOMMODATE. THE SECOND THING THAT WE DID WAS PRIORITIZING BUILDOUT OF THE SECOND GARAGE WE HAVE IN OUR PLANS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CAMPUS FIRST. THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO NOT HAVE TO TAKE DOWN AS MUCH PARKING IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDI OUT A NEW PARKING GARAGE AS IT WOULD WITH THE OPTION NUMBER ONE. IN ORDER TO DO THAT WE EXECUTED PURCHASE OF A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING IN THAT EXISTING LOCATION AND WE'LL PLAN TO DEMO THAT LOCATION. TO ADDRESS THE PROPERTY LINE TRAFFIC AND PRIVACY, WE INCORPORATED A GREEN SPACE SETBACK TO SERVE AS A BUFFER ALONG THE SPACE RIGHT NORTH OF WHERE THE ORIGINAL PARKING LOT WAS GOING TO BE AND WE ALSO INCREASED HEIGHT TO THE ADDITIONAL -- INCREASED ADDITIONAL HEIGHT TO THE REPLACEMENT FENCE IN OUR PLANS THAT WOULD LINE THAT ENTIRE AREA ALONG THE PROPERTY. WE ALSO UNDEROOD THE NOISE IMPACT BY DOING AN ACTUAL SOUND STUDY VIA A HELICOPTER ANALYSIS AND UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WOULD NOT BE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN NOISE AND COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN THE DURATION OF THE NOISE OVERALL. THE FINAL ASPECT OF OUR PLANS THAT WE WORKED TO ADDRESS WAS THE ADDITION OF FLOORS TO THE C TOWER. AFTER WE DETERMINED THAT NO OTHER LOCATIONS WOULD BE VIABLE ALTERNATIVES FOR THE BURN AND TRAUMA PATIENTS THAT WE SERVE, WE COLLABORATED WITH CITY STAFF TO IDENTIFY WHERE WE COULD FIND COMPROMISES ON ASPECTS OF OUR PLAN. THIS INCLUDED ADDING A RESIDENTL BFER LINE THAT YOU CAN SEE BY THE DOTTED LINE ON THE IMAGE WHERE WE HAVE COMMITTED TO PREVENT ANY FUTURE HEIGHT ADDITIONS ABOVE TWO STORIES NEXT TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. IN ORDER TO EXECUTE THIS, REDUCING THE FAR NORTH MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING FROM FIVE STORIES TO TWO STORIES . WE ARE ALSO COMMITTED TO -- >> YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE. >> RETAINING WALL AND ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE BETWEEN TOWER C AND THE ASPEN COURT APARTMENTS. VILE AERNATIVE WITHOUTIFY A COMPROMISING PATIENT CARE BUT HOPE THAT OUR EFFORTS SHOW THE COMMUNITY WE ARE WORKING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR WHILE OPTIMIZING CARE FOR OUR MOST VULNERABLE PATIENTS. I'LL ASK DR. VAN POPPLE TO CLOSE US OUT. >> 30 SECONDS. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. SCOTT VAN POPPLE, I AM THE CHIEF OF STAFF OF MEDICAL CITY PLANO. FOR THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR, CHIEF OF STAFF IS I REPRESENT, AS OF THIS AFTERNOON, THE 2,206 PHYSICIANS THAT PRACTICE AT MEDICAL CITY PLANO. I'M ALSO A CRITICAL CARE PHYSICIAN. I'M A PRACTICING CRITICAL CARE PHYSICIAN AND I HAVE SEEN THIS HOSPITAL GROW QUITE EXTENSIVELY AND I SEE THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE AS WE BRING IN MORE PATIENTS. AS A PHYSICIAN, AS THE 2206 PHYSICIANS, WE FOCUS ON ONE THING, AND THAT'S TOTAL CARE. WE ALWAYS LOOK AT TOTAL CARE AS QUALITY AND SAFETY AS A RATIO OF QUATY AAFET OVER TIME. AND I BELIEVE THE EXPANSION WILL HELP US IMPROVE THAT RATIO OF TOTAL CARE. IF WE INCREASE OUR BED CAPACITY, WE MAKE SURE WE PUT THE RIGHT PATIENT IN THE RIGHT PLACE. THAT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE IF YOU'RE A CRITICAL CARE PATIENT OR A BURN PATIENT OR A TRAUMA PATIENT, IF YOU HAVE THAT PATIENT NOT IN THE RIGHT PLACE, NOT WITH THE RESOURCES, NOT WITH THE NURSES THAT YOU NEED TAKEN CARE OF, THAT PATIENT AT THE TIME, WITH SPD A WITH EFFICIENCY, THAT AFFECTS THE LEVEL OF CARE. AND SO BY EXPANDING IT, WE GIVE THOSE PATIENTS MORE OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN THE RIGHT PLACE. WE CAN MOVE THEM FASTER FROM -- MOVE THE PATIENTS FASTER OUT OF THE E.R. INTO A MORE DEDICATED ICU. WE CAN HELP OUR NURSES WORK MORE EFFICIENTLY BECAUSE THE RESOURCES ARE THERE IN THE UNIT INSTEAD OF BEING STRETCHED. AND WE CERTAINLY, BY MOVING THE HELIPADS, CAN MOVE THE PATIENTS FASTER FROM THE HELIPADS, EITHER TO THE E.R., TO THE ICU DIRECTLY, OR TO THE O.R. MUCH FASTER. THIS ALL ADDS TO INCREASED SAFETY, OF COURSE. IF THERE ARE EMERGENCIES, WHICH ALWAYS HAPPEN IN THE ICU, WE ARE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHERE THOSE RESOURCES ARE, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO MOVE ALL OVER THE HOSPITAL. WE HAVE THE RESOURCES THAT WE NEED. YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE GOLDEN HOUR, IT'S NO LONGER THE GOLDEN HOUR. IT'S THE GOLDEN MINUTE OR SECOND. SO WE BELIEVE, AS -- I BELIEVE AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THESE 2,000 PHYSICIANS, THAT EXPANSION ALLOWS US TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT PATIENT IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME AND ULTIMATELY THAT ALLOWS US TO REACH MORE PATIENTS BECAUSE WE ALLOW MORE CAPACITY AT THAT TIME. THANKS. >> Chair Downs: WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE SPEAKERS. FOR THE COMMISSION, WE WILL ASK OUR QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THEIR WRAP UP. >> IF I CAN HAVE MARK THOMAS, ERIC FRIEND, AND BARRY KNIGHT AVAILABLE. >> Chair Downs: IF SHE CALLS YOUR NAME, GO AHEAD AND COME DOWN, GRAB A SEAT DOWN FRONT. DO WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE DROPPED OFF? >> WE HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT'S ON ZOOM. MARK LEBER. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. THE ORDER YOU CALLED IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT SO I WAS TRYING TO FOLLOW ALONG. >> MY NAME IS MARK THOMAS OF THOMAS ARCHITECTS. WE'VE LIVED IN PNO FOR 40 YEARS, MY WIFE AND I. SHE'S A SCHOOL TEACHER FOR THE LAST 36 YEARS AND I'VE HAD AN OFFICE HERE FOR 37 YEARS. WE RAISED THREE KIDS IN PLANO AND WE THINK IT'S ONE OF THE GREATEST SUBURBS IN THE UNITED STATES. ACTUALLY, WE WERE BORN IN THIS FACILITY AND WE'VE ALSO BEEN TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM MORE TIMES THAN I CAN COUNT AND WE'VE BEEN PLEASED EVERY TIME WE'VE GONE THERE. WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCES ARE SET BOTH SIDES OF THE PROPERTY LINE. COMMERCIAL RESIDENCE, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS, THEY'RE NEIGHBORS. AND ONE OF THE MEDICAL HIPPO HIPPOCRATIC OATH IS FIRST DO NO HARM. ANY TIME WE AFFECT THE NEIGHBOR NEXT TO US NEGATIVELY OVER OURSELVES, IT CROSSES THAT AND IT BREACHES THAT TRUST. THIS IS A MONUMTAL BUILDING EIGHT STORIES NT TO A RESIDENCE. IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. IT'S OUT OF PLACE. ALL OF OUR ORDINANCES AND THE BETTER ORDINANCES AND SUBURBAN COMMUNITIES AROUND THE UNITED STATES DON'T ALLOW FOR IT. AND WE'VE GOT IT IN OUR LAND PLANNING AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT'S NOT RECOMMENDED. NOT TO DO IT. STEP AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL INTO THE INNER PART OF THE PROPERTY AND BUILD HIGHER. WE'RE NOT DOING IT HERE WITH EIGHT STORIES NEXT TO OUR HOME. IT'S LIKE GOING OUT TO YOUR FRONT DOOR AND LOOKING ACROSS THE STREET AT YOUR NEIGHBOR AND THEVE GOT AN EIGHT-STORY BUILDING. IS THERE ANY EFFECT THAT'S IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON YOU? WE BELIEVE THAT IN THIS CASE BLOCKING FROM THE WEST, IT BLOCKS THE SUN, THE HORIZON, THE SUNSETS. WHO WANTS THAT BLOCKED FROM THEIR HOME? IT CASTS HEAVY SHADOWS OVER THE PROPERTY, ESPECIALLY DURING ACTIVITY TIMES OUT ON THE PROPERTY. SWIMMING POOL AND BARBECUES AND BEING OUTSIDE. AND IT'S BROAD DAYLIGHT EVERYWHERE ELSE BUT HER IT'S NOT BECAUSE THE WESTERN SUN IS BLOCKED OUT. THIS IS SUBURBAN NOT URBAN. DOWNTOWN DALLAS IS URBAN. WE MOVED TO A SUBURBAN ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE WE WANTED THAT FEEL AND LIKE IT WAS HOME. THIS TAKES AWAY FROM THAT ASPECT OF IT SQUASHES THE HUMAN SPIRIT SEEING A LARGE BUILDING EVERY DAY COMING AND GOING FROM THE PROPERTY. WE BELIEVE THAT HELICOPTERS ON TOP OF THAT JUST ME IT WORSE. HELICOPTERS SHOULDN'T BE THAT CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES FOR NOISE AND SAFETY REASONS. HAZARDOUS AND EXPLOSIVE MATERIALS SHOULDN'T BE CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINES. THEY'RE THERE NOW. THERE'S GAS TANKS UNDERGROUND AS WELL AS ABOVE. WE THINK THERE'S BETTER OPTIONS AND WE HAVE 50 ACRES TO DO THAT IN. YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? WELL, WE'RE GOING TO EXPLORE THAT A LITTLE BIT. WE BELIEVE THAT'S NOT REALLYUR RESPONBILITY. WE'RE ARCHITECTS, BUT WE'RE NOT HERE FOR THAT. THEY'VE GOT THEIR ARCHITECT AND THEY'RE MOVING WITH ALTERNATES AND THEY'VE COME TO THIS RESOLVE THAT THIS IS THE BEST ONE. WE BELIEVE THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ARE A STRONG POSSIBILITY THAT NEED TO BE EXPLORED, BUT FIRST WE JUST WANT TO LOOK AT A SHAY W STUDY. WE DID ONE FOR ALL FOUR SEASONS. THE 21ST ■OF JUNE, DECEMBER, FEBRUARY. SEPTEMBER. WHEN WE DO THIS STUDY AND WE GO THROUGH IT WE'RE GOING TO SEE HELICOPTERS ON TOP OF THAT EIGHT-STORY BUILDING AND THE SHADOWS IT CASTS. THAT'S FOUR-STORY. AND THIS IS SEPTEMBER 21ST. AND WE DIDN'T PICK THESE BECAUSE THEY'RE THE WORST, WE JUST PICKED THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN SO THAT WE EXPLORED IT. AND SEE THE SHADOWS THAT PASS OVER THE COMPLEX WITH AN EIGHT-STORY BUILDING. WHEN YOU GET TO FEBRUARY 14TH, WE PICKED THAT AS A MEDIAN IN BETWEEN. THIS IS AT 4:30. AND THEN WE USED SOME PERSPECTIVE STUDIES BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO SEE IT LIKE IT WOULD REALLY BE S SEEN DURING THE DAY. WE'RE SHOWING THE DISTANCE 112 FEET TO THE CONDO, 84.27 TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND THAT'S A FOUR-STORY BUILDING RIGHT NOW. WHEN WE GO EIGHT, SEE THE SHADOWS THAT TAKE PLACE. SEE THE MONUMENTALITY. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THESE FAIRLY QUICKLY IN ORDER TO GET TO SOMETHING ELSE A LITTLE BIT MORE IMPORTANT. BUT THERE'S FOUR-STORY AND WE'RE GOING TO GO TO EIGHT-STORY. EACH TIME YOU DO THIS YOU'LL SEE HELICOPTERRERS FLYING OVER THE TOP. THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD SEE EVERY DAY FOUR-STORY EIGHT-STORY. AND THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT TO BE SAID BEYOND WHAT THE PICTURES SHOW. THIS IS WHAT YOU'D EXPERIENCE IF YOU LIVED THERE. AND THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS IS THAT WE'RE OPENING A TERRIBLE ECEDENT FOR THEITY PLANO. WHAT'S TO SAY THAT WE COULDN'T DO THIS AGAIN ON ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY WHEN WE WANT TO DEVELOP IT? GROUND LEVEL, FOUR-STORY NOW AND EIGHT-STORY TO COME. WHO WOULD WANT TO LIVE THERE? WE THINK THERE'S ALTERNATES. AND WE BELIEVE THAT'S PART OF THE -- NO EIGHT-STORY BUILDING SHOULD BE ON A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE OR HELICOPTERS WITH THAT KIND OF NOISE. IT SHOULD MOVE INWARD. WE PUT TOGETHER AN ALTERNATE STUDY. WE SAW THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT TH PRODUCED -- EXCUSE ME, THE TRAVEL TIME STUDY THEY PRODUCED. AND WE SEE THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT AND HOW QUICKLY CAN YOU GET A TRAUMA PATIENT FROM A HELLLY D AND CAN YOU AVOID GOING THROUGH HAZARDOUS AREAS TO DO IT. SO WE'RE SHOWING AN ALTERNATE. AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF POSSIBLY MANY. AND WHAT'S IN PURPLE IS WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING. WHAT'S IN THAT BLUE, THAT'S THE FOUR-STORY BUILDING AS IT EXISTS NOW. THE WHITE TO THE NORTH IS THAT BIG SQUARE. THAT'S A PARKING GARAGE THAT THEY PROPOSE. AND YOU SEE THE THREE HELICOPTERS. WE MOVED THEM ON TOP OF THE PROPOSED WOMEN'S BUILDING. AND WE THINK IF YOU CONTINUED THAT ROOFLINE OF THE PROPOSED WOMEN'S BUILDING, 35 FEET FROM THE EXISTING FOUR-STORY BUILDING TO THE EAST, BUT YOU ACTUALLY CREATE A LEVEL STRAIGHT SHOT TO THE CORNER, WHICHETS YOU CLOSER TO ED AND O.R. YOU ENTER INSIDE THAT CORNER PIECE. YOU GO INTO A SKYBRIDGE, CROSS INTO THE ELEVATOR SHAFT AND STAIR, AND AT THAT POINT YOU GO STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE CORRIDOR THAT LEADS TO THE E.D. AND THE O.R. IT'S QUICK, EFFICIENT, WHERE THE TRAVEL STUDY ACTUALLY STARTED FROM THAT POINT ONCE THEY GOT TO THE FIRST FLOOR AND CAME OUT OF THE ELEVATORS. THIS EXPLAINS IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARLY. YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING CALLED OUT AND THEIR HEIGHTS. THIS IS A 96-FOOT BUILDING. THE PURPLE WOULD ALSO BE A 96-FOOT SPACE. IT WOULD NOT GO TO THE GROUND. IT WOULD BE ELEVATED SO YOU WOULD PASS UNDERNEATH IT WITH THE AMBULANCE ENTRY AND DRIVEWAY. IT WOULD BE PROTECTED FROM THE ELEMENTS. IT'S GOING TO HAVE COVERED FROM THE ENTRY TO THE AMBULANCE AREA. WE SUGGEST THAT STILL BE THERE. WE'RE ALSO ADDING IN A GARDEN DECK IN THIS CASE, THAT'S ELEVATED AT THE SECOND LEVEL. AND SO THE PATIENTS -- THESE ARE ALL BED UNITS -- ROOMS THAT ARE LOOKING OUT AND THEY NEED NATURAL LIGHT. AND THEY CAN LOOK OUT OF THE FOUR-STORY BUILDING ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT AS WELL AS THE ALTERNATE DESIGN. AND THEY'RE GOING TO SEE TREES THAT ARE IN THAT GARDEN DECK. SO THEY'RE SEEING GREEN SPACE BESIDES THE NATURAL LIGHT. YOU CAN PUNCTUATE THE GARDEN DECK TO GET LIGHT INTO THE LOWER LEVEL WHERE THE AMBULANCE AREA IS SO IT'S NOT DARK AND IT'S TURALLY L, PT OF IT, DURING THE DAY. WE THINK THIS IS A VIABLE ALTERNATIVE. WE'VE GOT A FEW PERSPECTIVES TO SHOW WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. GRANTED, I LEFT THE PURPLE IN BECAUSE IT'S SHOWING UP. THAT WAY YOU CAN SEE WHAT BUILDING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT ELEMENT TO THE LEFT IS A STAIR AND ELEVATOR THAT YOU NEED FOR CODE COMPLIANCE. AND, OF COURSE, YOU'D HAVE WHERE THE OTHER ELEVATOR IS TOWARD THAT FOUR-STORY BUILDING, THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE AN ELEVATOR AND STAIR. THE STAIR AT THE BOTTOM EMPTIES GOING TO THE EAST. THERE'S AN OPENING THAT ALLOWS FOR IT. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE PREVIOUS PLAN. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BLUE TOWER C, THERE'S EXISTING ELEVATORS THERE DOWN THAT END AND ADJACENT IN THE PURPLE IS WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING ANOTHER ELEVATOR BE LOCATED. IT COULD BE DESIGNATED JUST FOR THAT ROOF SO IT'S A STRAIGHT SHOT. THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS IS THAT ONCE THE DISTANCE AND THE TIME IT TAKES TO GET TO THE E.D. AND THE O.R. FROM THE FURTHEST HELICOPTER FROM THE EIGHT-STORY AND FROM THE WOMEN'S BUILDING WITH A STRAIGHT SHOT OF THIS DESIGN. IT'S 36 SECONDS MORE TO GO FROM WHERE THAT HELICOPTER PAD IS THAN WHAT THEY HAVE FROM THE EIGHT-STORY. AND THE OTHER ASPECT THEY SHOWED IN THEIR STUDY IS WHAT'S THE FURTHEST ROOM IN THE EIGHT-STORY BUILDING AND HOW LONG DOES IT E.D./O.R. BASICALLY O.R. WE DID THE SAME THING. AND WHAT YOU SEE THERE IN THE BLUE DOT, THAT'S THE FURTHEST ROOM IN THAT BUILDING. IT TAKES 55 SECONDS, LESS TIME THAN IT DOES THE EIGHT-STORY TO GO FROM THEY'RE FURTHER -- THEIR FURTHEST ROOM TO THE O.R. THAT'S A STRONG CONSIDERATION. >> OUT OF THE 15? OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL WRAP IT UP HERE. THAT'S JUST ANOTHER VIEW. ANOTHER VIEW. AND WE'RE JUST SHOWING THAT IN PURPLE. WE'RE SHOWING THOSE GARDEN DECKS. AND THAT'S THE BUILDING BEHIND IT IN PURPLE. EIGHT-STORY FOUR-STORY. >> NEXT IS MARK. HE'S ONLINE. >> THANKS FOR HAVING ME. I'LL MAKE THIS RELATIVELY SIMPLE AND TRY TO EXPLAIN SOME COMPLEX ISSUES, AS WELL AS NOISE ISSUES AND WORDS IN ONE SYLLABLE SO THAT BOTH OF US UNDERSTAND THEM. MY BACKGROUND IN HELICOPTER IS LANDING ON CONFINED AREAS LIKE THIS. THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS, THE SHIPS WERE PITCHING AND ROLLING AND THE WEATHER CONDITIONS WERE NOT VERY NICE. AND SOMETIMES THEY WERE PRETTY COOL. AND THEN THE OTHER TIMES WE HAD THE PRESSURE AND EXCITEMENT OF HAVING TO FLY COMBAT MISSIONS. SO, I WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. I SPEAK FLUENT HELICOPTER. BUT THE REAL ISSUE IS IN TWO AREAS. ONE IS IN NOISE, THE OTHER IS IN AVIATION SAFETY. THE NOISE THAT STUDY THE HOSPITAL DID WAS USING A SMALL HELICOPTER, A RANGER. AND IT ONLY GENERATES 95 DECIBELS OF NOISE. MOST OF THE EMS HELICOPTERS ARE LARGER AND GENERATE MORE NOISE. TYPICALLY, A 76 OR BULLCO, 145, TWO COMMON EMS HELICOPTERS, GENERATE 105 DECIBELS. YOU HAVE NOISE, THE LIKES OF WHICH FROM TEENAGERS PLAYING MUSIC LOUDLY AND YOU WANT TO ASK TH IS THE SAME THINGS THE RESIDENTS OF FACING. THE NOISE IS NOT ONLY -- IT ECHOES. THE EIGHT-STORY WILL ACT LIKE A HUGE REFLECTOR. THE NOISE WILL EMANATE FROM THE HELICOPTER, BOUNCE OFF THE BUILDING AND COME BACK THROUGH THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. THE SECOND THING, ANY APPROACH THIS FACILITY FROM EITHER THE EAST, THE NORTH, OR THE SOUTH IS GOING TO REQUIRE THE HELICOPTER TO FLY OVER A RESIDENTIAL AREA AT LOW ALTITUDE. IT'S 140-ODD FEET. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE YOU'RE FLYING AT LOW ALTITUDE, BECAUSE THE HELICOPTER, I'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN A SECOND, IT'S GENERATING LOTS OF NOISE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE FLYING SLOWLY. THE TIME OVER THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS WILL BE LENGTHENED. SOMEBODY COMMENTED -- >> SIR, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> HELICOPTERS DON'T FLY LIKE AIRPLANES. WHEN YOU HAVE HIGH-POWER SETTINGS AT SLOW AIR SPEED, YOU'RE IN AN AREA KNOWN AS DEADMAN'S CURVE, AN AREA EVERY MANUFACTURER RECOMMENDS YOU STAY OUT OF IT. PILOTS FLY IN THIS ROUTINELY, BUT IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, MECHANICAL, WEATHER, WHICH COULD BE WIND OR TURBULENCE, YOU HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM. THE ONLY WAY OUT IS TO LOWER THE NOSE AND FLY OUT. UNFORTUNATELY,OU'RE GOI TO HAVE AN EIGHT-STORY IN FRONT OF YOU, WHICH MEANS A CRASH IS HIGHLY LIKELY. >> SIR, YOUR GROUP HAS EXCEEDED ITS 15 MINUTES. >> Chair Downs: LET ME TURN MY MIC ON. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. DO WE HAVE OTHER INDIVIDUAL SPEAKERS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE GROUP? [ OFF MIC ] >> Chair Downs: I UND IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME. I DON'T WANT TO SET A PRECEDENT WHERE 30 PEOPLE GET TOGETHER AND SAY I NEED AN HOUR. SO I THINK WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED SO FAR IS VERY INTERESTING INFORMATION FOR THE COMMISSION. SO IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ON -- NOT BEHALF OF THE APARTMENT OR SOMETHING BUT AS A RESIDENT ANANDTHAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO SPK ON, THEN I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO THAT. >> NEXT WOULD BE NATHAN BARBERA. >> Chair Downs: WHO ELSE AFTER NATHAN? >> JUDY, SORRY IF I MISPRONOUNCED YOUR NAME. AND ALSO RES -- ROYCE CLAYTON. >> Chair Downs: IF YOU'RE NOT IN FRONT, PLEASE COME DOWN. >> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN NATHAN 2629 MILLINGTON. I HAD THE PLEASURE OF SERVING ON THIS BOARD FOR THE PAST NINE YEARS. I'M HERE TONIGHT ONCE AGAIN MISSING MY SON'S FOOTBALL GAME WHICH I SWORE I NEVER WOULD DO AGAIN FOR THIS KIND OF STUFF, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY. WHY IS IT IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY? BECAUSE THE CONCERNS OF A FEW AFFECTED RESIDENTS OF A MULTIFAMILY UNIT DO NOT OUTWEIGH THE ESSENTIAL NEEDS OF THE ENTIRE CITY OF PLANO. LIVES WILL LITERALLY BE IN JEOPARDY AND BE LOST IF THE HOSPITAL EXPANSION PLAN DOESN'T GO THROUGH BASED ON THE WAY THEY HAVE STUDIED THE TIMING, THE RIGHT PLACE, THE RIGHT TIME FOR THOSE BODIES TO BE. THIS IS A CLASSIC ZONING CASE WHERE YOU'VE GOT SOME POLICY SUPPORT, SOME PARTS THAT DON'T SUPPORT THE COMP PLAN. YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. YOU CAN'T JUST RELY ON THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE THERE'S CONFLICTION. WHAT DO WE DO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE? WE LOOK AT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY OF PLANO AS A WHOLE. A PROJECTED $1.1 BILLION IMPACT ECONOMICALLY TO THE CITY IF THIS PROJECT GOES THROUGH, THIS IS AS A HALF AILLI DOLLARS MORE THAN IT CURRENTLY PROVIDES THE CITY. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. THE CARE THAT THE PATIENTS RECEIVE AT THIS HOSPITAL, WHEN I HEARD WHAT THE WAIT TIMES CAN BE AT TIMES, I WAS REALLY SURPRISED THAT THERE'S PEOPLE SITTING IN BEDS IN HALLWAYS AT MEDICAL CITY OF PLANO. THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. THE EXPANSION IS NEEDED SO WE DON'T HAVE PATIENTS WAITING THIS BEDS IN THE HALLWAYS. THE CURRENT HELICOPTER PAD ON THE GROUND STOPS ALL TRAFFIC AT THE HOSPITAL WHEN THE HELICOPTER COMES IN AND GOES OUT. TAKE MY MOTHER, WHO SUFFERED A FALL, SHATTERED HER ELBOW, TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM ON CHRISTMAS MORNING. I COULDN'T GET HER THERE BECAUSE I CAME IN FROM THE NORTH AND THEN THERE WAS A HELICOPTER COMING IN SO THE PARKING LOT WAS CLOSED. WE SAT THERE AND WAITING FOR SECURITY TO LET US DRIVE THE REST OF THE WAY THROUGH FOR ME TO GET MY MOTHER TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM. WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS PACKET, THE LANGUAGE STAFF PRESENTED WAS STRONG. I HIGHLIGHTED MANY THINGS LIKE I WOULD HAVE DONE SITTING IN ALL'S SEATS YEARS AGO. THE PURPOSE OF THE CHANGES TO APPROVE AND EXPAND THE HOSPITAL CAMPUS, WHILE PROVIDING MODIFIED STANDARDS INTENDED TO RESPECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE, THEY HAVE MOVED A PARKING GARAGE. >> YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> THANK YOU. THEY HAVE INCREASED THEIR GREEN SPACE. THEY HAVE HEIGHTENED FENCES. AT THE HOSPITAL MADE CONCESSIONS. THE HELICOPTERS WILL BE IN THE AIR LESS TIME. IT'S ONE DECIBEL DIFFERENCE ON THE ROOF. THE CONCERNS OF THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS ABOVE THE HOSPITAL IN NO WAY OUTWEIGH THE ESSENTIAL NEEDS OF OUR CITY AS A WHOLE AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT THE PETITIONER'S REQUEST. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. >> I'M SO SORRY IF I'M MISPRONOUNCING YOUR NAME, JUDY? >> I'M HERE. >> APOLOGIES. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU, JUDY. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> I'M JUDY. I LIVE AT 1700 AMELIA COURT, WHICH IS DIRECTLY NEXT TO MEDICAL CITY. I LIVE IN THE PARK BLUFF CONDOMINIUMS, AND I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE PARK BLUFF HOA, SO I SPEAK ON BEHALF OF A LOT OF OUR OWNERS. WE HAVE 71 UNITS THERE, PROBABLY 100-120 PEOPLE LIVE IN OUR CONDOMINIUMS. I AM A RETIRED TEACHER, SO I LIVE ON A FIXED INCOME. AND A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE IN THE SAME KIND OF BOAT. RIGHT NOW WE'RE A SMALL POCKET OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN PLANO RIGHT THERE, WITH ASPEN COURT APARTMENTS AND PARK CONDOMINIUMS. AND IF I HAD TO MOVE, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PROBABLY STAY IN PLANO. WHEN MEDICAL CITY OUTLINES ON THEIR DRAFT THAT THE NEAREST SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE IS 570 FEET AWAY FROM THE NEAREST SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE, IT'S THIN THEY'RE OVERLOOKING US. AND WE HEAR THESE HELICOPTERS EVERY DAY. SPEAK OFING OF THE HELICOPTER NOISE, WHICH I'LL TOUCH ON BRIEFLY, I HEAR EVERY HELICOPTER, EVERY ONE, EVEN THOSE THAT COME IN AT NIGHT. IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE TALKING TO SOMEBODY, YOU HAVE TO STOP YOUR CONVERSATION. AND WE WERE ASSURED WHEN THEY ADDED THE SECOND HELISTOP THAT HELICOPTERS WOULD COME IN FROM THE NORTH OR THE SOUTH. THEY DON'T. THEY COME DIRECTLY OVER OUR CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX, O OR OVERSA ASPEN. A LOT OF TIMES THEY HAVE TO GO SLOW, AS MARK OUTLINED EARLIER. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HOVER THERE. SO, IT'S ANNOYING. AND WHERE THE HELISTOPS ARE RIGHT NOW ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT FOUR-STORY BUILDING, IT ACTS AS A LITTLE BIT OF A SOUND BARRIER. AND BEING ON TOP THERE, I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE THE NOISE THAT IT'S GOING TO MAKE. AND IT'S NOT A SAFE PLACE. THERE'S AN AIR TANK LOCATED RIGHT NEXT TO THERE ALSO. IF THEY HAVE ONE LITTLE SLIPUP AND HIT THAT AIR TANK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE IN TROUBLE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. >> YOU HAVE 15 SECONDS. >> HOW MUCH? >> 15. >> 15. I LIVED THROUGH CONSTRUCTION OF THE FOUR-STORY BUILDING FOR TWO YEARS, AWFULLY LOUD. YOU KNOW, THE WORKERS PARKED IN THE LITTLE ROUNDABOUT THERE. THEY ATE ON OUR PROPERTY. >> MA'AM, YOU'VE DONE YOUR THREE MINUTES. IT'S CONCLUDED. I'M SORRY. >> Chair Downs: GO AHEAD. >> OKAY. ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS ABOUT THE WATER AND SEWER USA THAT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED. AND THIS GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION ABOUT TRAFFIC EARLIER, THAT SHOULD HAVE REALLY BEEN A GOOD STUDY, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE ENTRANCE GOING IN THERE. THEY WANT TO PUT IN A TEN-STORY PARKING GARAGE. AND IT'S GOING TO BE A MESS. I AM NOT OPPOSED TO THEM -- TO MEDICAL CITY EXPANDING, THEY JUST NEED TO GO WEST. THEY NEED TO GET -- MOVE OUT OF OUR FRONT YARD SO THAT WE CAN LIVE IN HARMONY AND MAKE OUR LIVING EXPERIENCE EXCELLENT ALSO. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. >> WHILE ROYCE CLAYTON COMES UP TO THE PODIUM, CAN I HAVE JAMES DOYLE, MIKE FARMER, AND JEFF MEZELL. >> MIKE FARMER LEFT. >> OKAY. THEN AFTER HIM, JEFF SMITH. GO AHEAD. >> HI, ROYCE CLAYTON, 3729 CARAMEL COURT, I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE. >> Chair Downs: YES, YOU HAVE. >> MY CONCERN HERE -- I'M NOT GOING TO BEAT THE HELICOPTER ISSUE UP. I'D LIKE TO SEE FAA APPROVAL OF THE LANDING SITE. SECONDLY, THERE'S THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION SAFETY ACT OF 2022 THAT REQUIRES A THREE-MINUTE RESPONSE TIME BY THE LOCAL RESPONDING FIRE DEPARTMENT TO THAT SITE. THAT BEING SAID, THAT MUST BE A FOAM APPARATUS. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MUST HAVE THE GEAR REQUIRED TO DO THAT. I STOPPED BY MY TWO LOCAL DEPARTMENTS YESTERDAY. NOPE, NO PLAN IN PLACE, EVEN FOR OUR EXISTING HELICOPTER, EVEN IF IT CRASHED TODAY ON THE GROUND. OKAY? SO APPARENTLY WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THAT ISSUE, OKAY. THE OTHER ISSUE IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN THAT THEY SUBMITTED ON 112 -- I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE A SLIDE -- BUT IT'S THIS PICTURE. IT SHOWS NO DRIVEWAY GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE CORNERS BEHIND OUR PROPERTIES AT 3729 CROMWELL COURT, THE THREE OF US THAT LIVE AGAINST THAT BRICK WALL. EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE A 50-FOOT SETBACK THEY'RE NOW SHOWING A DRIVEWAY GOING ACROSS THERE. SEMI-TRUCKS RIGHT NOW T MAKE AT CORNER ARE TURNING OUT TO THE EMPTY LOT TO MAKE THE CORNER. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO TURN OUT THROUGH THE EMPTY LOT, THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE BEHIND OUR PROPERTIES, OKAY? THOSE ARE DELIVERY TRUCKS THAT ARE MAKING DELIVERIES AT 2:00, 3:00, 4:00 IN THE MORNING, OKAY? MY OTHER POINT IS VERY QUICKLY ON THE NOISE ISSUE. THE AMBULANCES SHUT DOWN AT 15TH AND WOODBURN PRIOR TO 15TH AND COIT, THEY SHUT DOWN PRIOR TO AMERICAN DRIVE. SO THEY TURN OFF THEIR SIRENS RESIDENTIAL AREA, THE HEAVILY POPULATED RESIDENTIAL AREA. HELICOPTERS CAN'T TURN OFF, OKAY? THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE FAA-APPROVED LANDING SITE -- IT'S PRETTY EXPENSIVE, GUYS. THEY'VE GOT TO PUT FOAM UNDERNEATH THEM, CHAIN BARRIERS OUT. I DON'T THINK THE BUILDING THEY CURRENTLY HAVE IS LARGE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THREE HELISTOPS. I THINK IT WILL ONLY SUPPORT TWO, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. BUT THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET AN FAA APPROVAL ON LANDING ON THIS BUILDING. SO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> PAUSE ONE SECOND WHILE WE PASS ALL THESE DOCUMENTS AROUND MACHINE ?>> Chair Downs: WHAT ARE WE RECEIVING HERE? >> HAVE TIME TO GET THESE SO YOU CAN HAVE THEM HANDED OUT. >> Chair Downs: GIVE US A SECOND. >> OKAY. >> Chair Downs: COULD YOU HANDLE DISTRIBUTING THEM? LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. >> JAMES DOYLE. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JAMES DOYLE, I'M A PLANO RESIDENT. MY WIFE AND I ARE THE OWNERS OF A CONDOMINIUM AT 1700 AMELIA COURT, UNIT NUMBER 125. AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT. I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT NOISE. I'M GOING TO SAY THAT'S GENERALLY BEEN ADDRESSED ALREADY AND I'LL JUST PASS THAT ON. I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TRAFFIC. THAT'S BEEN PARTIALLY ADDRESSED. THE ASPEN COURT APARTMENTS AND THE PARK BLUFF CONDOMINIUMS, THEY'VE GOT ONE WAY IN. YOU CAN ONLY COME IN ON AMELIA COURT SOUTH OF AMERICAN DRIVE. THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC AS A RESULT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND A LOT OF THE LARGER PART OF PLANO WON'T FEEL THIS, BUT THOSE TWO DEVELOPMENTS WILL. AND I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. I ALSO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT EIGHT-STORY, WHICH IS GOING TO TOWER ABOVE THE ASPEN COURT APARTMENTS. THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED. SO, I'M GOING TO SAY I'M NOT AGAINST EXPANSION OF THE HOSPITAL. I AM AGAINST THEIR PROPOSED PLAN. I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO SEE IF THERE'S SOME WAY, SOMEHOW THEY CAN GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND FIND SOMETHING THAT WORKS. THERE WAS SOME SUGGESTIONS PUT UP HERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WILL FIT WITH THEM, BUT WE'D LIKE FOR THEM TO BE BETTER NEIGHBORS. FIND SOME OTHER WAY TO DO IT, PLEASE. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU, SIR. I APPRECIATE YOUR KEEPING IT SHORT LIKE THAT AND ACKNOWLEDGING PREVIOUS COMMENTS. THANK YOU. WHO'S NEXT, PLEASE? >> I UNDERSTAND MIKE FARMER HAS LEFT, SO, THANK YOU. AND WE NEED JEFF SMITH AND MICHAEL READY TO GO. >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. MOST OF THE POINTS THAT I WAS GOING TO COVER HAVE ALREADY BEEN COVERED. HOWEVER -- >> CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME? >> JEFF, I LIVE AT 1600 AMELIA COURT. I LIVE ON A SECOND-FLOOR APARTMENT. I SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON MY BALCONY. THAT EXISTING FOUR-STORY BUILDING IS LESS THAN 150 FEET FROM MY APARTMENT. I ENDURED THE CONSTRUCTION. WE HAVE HAD TO CALL THE POLICE SO MANY TIMES BECAUSE THEY DID NOT OBEY THE NOISE ORINANCES. THEY STILL DON'T OBEY THE NOISE ORDINANCES. ON AUGUST 28TH, ON SUNDAY, AUGUST 28TH, THEY HAD THEIR OXYGEN TANK FILLED UP. A BIG SEMI PULLS IN, THEY HAVE TO REV THE ENGINE UP TO, I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S 6:40 IN THE MORNING OKAY? WE FIGHT. MY POINT IS WE FIGHT NOISE WITH THE HOSPITAL ALL THE TIME. I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLACE. I JUST REALLY BELIEVE THEY NEED TO FIND A DIFFERENT VENUE OTHER THAN RAISING THAT BUILDING UP, OKAY? MY INVITATION IS TO ALL OF YOU ON THE BOARD. IF YOU WANT TO HEAR WHAT KIND OF NOISE WE PUT UP WITH, I'LL GIVE YOU MY NUMBER. CALL ME. I THINK SHE HAS IT RIGHT HERE, BECAUSE I TURNED IN A LETTER. IT'S GOT MY ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER ON IT. COME AND SEE WHAT WE PUT UP WITH AT ASPEN COURT APARTMENTS. I INVITE ALL OF YOU. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> NEXT IS JEFF SMITH. >> I'M JEFF SMITH, A REALSTATE INVESTOR AND COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE AGENT IN TOWN. I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT. >> Chair Downs: WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? >> I LIVE IN DALLAS, 5211 RIDGEDALE. I AM AN INVESTOR IN PLANO. >> Chair Downs: UNDERSTOOD. >> LIKE I SAID, I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT. SO, THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT I'M HEARING -- THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, THE TOWNHOMES AND THE HOMES. STARTING WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, CURRENTLY N FRONT OF YOU I PUT A COUPLE OF CELLS, DATA INFORMATION, ONE FROM NORTH AND ONE FROM COSTAR. THE AVERAGE LISTING PRICE FOR A UNIT IS $233,000 PER DOOR. CURRENTLY THE APPRAISED VALUE FOR THE ASPEN COURT APARTMENTS IS $75,000 PER DOOR. THE CAP RATE IS 3.9% PER COSTAR, 3.5% PER NORTH PARK. AND WITH THAT, BOTH ARE INDICATING THAT THE MARKET TRENDS ARE GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE NEXT 3-5 YEARS IN DALLAS BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING TO DALLAS AND THE BARRIERS T ENTRY TO BUILD IN THE METROPLEX. AND SECONDLY, THE TOWNHOMES, THE 1700 AMELIA COURT, WE HAVE MULTIPLE UNITS THAT ARE OWNED BY MULTIPLE PEOPLE, WHICH SIGNIFIES TO ME THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF RENTALS THAT ARE IN THAT PROPERTY. AND SO ON THAT, YOU'VE GOT A REPORT THAT'S GOT 1700 AMELIA COURT THAT I ALSO HANDED OUT TO YOU. SO THERE ARE CURRENTLY -- ON PAGE 26, YOU SEE THAT THEYE SELLING 97.3% OF LISTING PRICE AND 37 DAYS. IF YOU INCREASE THAT TO FIVE DAYS IT'S 99% OF ASKING VALUE AND THE DEMAND REMAINS STRONG. EACH CONDO UNIT THAT GOES ON THE MARKET THERE ARE THREE SOLID BUYERS THAT HAVE BEEN INDICATED. THEN LASTLY, I JUST WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE PAST THAT. SO, WE'VE HAD NINE HOMES THAT HAVE SOLD IN A ONE-MIMILE RADIUS IN THE PAST 60 DAYS, AVERAGE 105.2% OF ASKING PRICE. AVERAGE, $232 PER SQUARE FOOT. UTILITY RECORDS INDICATE THAT THIS MARKET HAS BEEN VERY STABLE WITH LESS THAN 3% TURNOVER IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS. AND WITH THAT, THE MARKET IS INDICATING THAT ADDITIONAL RENT INCREASES CAN BE OBTAINED THROUGH ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE LISTED THERE. AND KIND OF FINAL -- IN CLOSING, I JUST WANT TO SAY AS WE LOOK THROUGH AND COMB THROUGH ALL THIS INFORMATION, IT WAS INTERESTING THAT ALL THE REALTORS INDICATED ON THEIR INFORMATION CLOSE TO MEDICAL CITY PLANO. YOU'VE GOT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT ALSO INDICATES, CLOSE TO MEDICAL CITY PLANO, WHICH TELLS ME THEY THINK THAT IS AN ASSET TO THOSE PROPERTIES. SO. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> NEXT, WE HAVE MICHAEL. WHILE HE MAKES HIS WAY TO THE PODIUM, IF WE COULD HE DAVID UBBS AND MR. PATEL AND MATT AVAILABLE TO SPEAK NEXT. >> HELLO. I'M MICHAEL STANDEVEN, 1600 AMELIA COURT, UNIT NUMBER 1112. AND I JUST -- WHAT HAS BEEN ON MY MIND HAS BEEN MENTIONED ALREADY ABOUT THE NOISE LEVELS, AND, LIKE, T THE I THE H REVERBS BETWEEN THE HOSPITAL AND THE HELICOPTERS. THEY ARE TWIN JET ENGINES THAT ARE HOVERING. THEY ARE VERY LOUD, YOU KNOW. AND THERE'S ALSO THE GAS TANKS AND THE LIQUID NITROGEN TANKS BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND OUR APARTMENTS. AND IF ONE OF THOSE HELICOPTERS WERE TO CRASH, IT COULD HIT ONE OF THOSE AND IT COULD BE DEVASTATING TO OUR COMMUNITY. AS I AGREE WITH THE CONDOMINIUM OWNERS THAT HOA PERSON THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD BE BUILDING -- IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING HERE, THEY SHOULD BE BUILDING FURTHER WEST, NOT RIGHT UP ON OUR FRONT PORCH, YOU KNOW. JUST, YOU KNOW. I THINK THIS IS A TERRIBLE PROPOSAL. WE REJECTED IT IN 2018, AND I THINK WE SHOULD REJECT IT AGAIN. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU, SIR. >> NEXT IS DAVID GRUBBS. >> Chair Downs: GOOD EVENING. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> DAVID GRUBBS, 3709 CROMWELL COURT. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. ONE THING I HAVEN'T HEARD -- IT IS PRETTY NERVOUS BEING RIGHT HERE. >> Chair Downs: I UNDERSTAND. >> BUT IT'S OKAY. >> Chair Downs: IT'S OKAY. I'M IN AWE OF ALL THE PEOPLE WHO COME. THIS IS BIGGER THAN JUST ME. I THOUGHT I DIDN'T LIKE IT. I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER ALL THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T COME. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO WILL DEAL WITH THE NOISE AND LOOKING AT A LARGE BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO THEIR PROPERTY. ALSO, MOST OF US PROBABLY KNOW THAT A HOUSE REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF YOUR LIFE SAVINGS. THESE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE THE HOUSES GO UP IN VALUE. I BELIEVE IT WILL MAKE THEM GO DOWN. IT'S NOT A GOOD TIME FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. IT NEVER IS. SO THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT FAMILIES IN THAT WAY. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE NOISE. ONE LAST THING. NOBODY SELLING THEIR HOUSE SAYS, COME SEE, GREAT HOUSE, EIGHT-STORY BUILDING 150 FEET AWAY. IT'S NOT SOMETHING SOMEONE WANTS TO SEE WHO'S BUYING A HOUSE. THAT'S IT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU, SIR. THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO COME DOWN. >> NEXT IS HIRAN PATEL. >> RIGHT. 3725 CROMWELL COURT, PLANO, TEXAS. I THINK I SHARED A FOUR-PAGE LETTER WITH THE PLANNING COMMITTEE OF ALL MY CONCERNS. SO I'M JUST GOING -- AND THE APARTMENT'S DONE A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING WHAT ISSUES I WANT TO RAISE, SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO RAISE. ONE THING I DO WANT TO SAY IS THANK YOU TO THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER FOR ACTUALLY LISTENING AND MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PLAN. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN 2018. AND SO IN 2018, I WAS NEW TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I WASN'T -- I WAS JUST NEW. I SAID HEY, THERE'S A BUILDING, WHATEVER. I LOOKED BACK LIKE, THAT WAS A MISTAKE BECAUSE I LOOK AT THIS AND I SAY, THE OBJECTIVE HERE SHOULD BE EXPAND THE HOSPITAL, EXPAND THE FACILITIES, MAKE IT WIN-WIN, WHICH TO ME MEANS EXPAND WITH MINIMAL IMPACT ON RESIDENTIAL AREAS. IF YOU PUT A PLAN THAT HAS MAXIMUM IMPACT ON RESIDENTIAL AREAS, THAT'S NOT VALUABLE TO ANYBODY. IT'S VALUABLE TO THE HOSPITAL. IT'S VALUABLE TO THE 280,000 PEOPLE. IT'S NOT VALUABLE TO THAT COMMUNITY. AND SO ONE PERSON MADE THAT POINT AND I'M LIKE, GREAT. SO IF HIS OBJECTIVE WAS WELL, IT ONLY AFFECTS A FEW PEOPLE, THEN JUST COMPENSATE THE FEW PEOPLE. THERE ARE MULTIPLE SOLUTIONS BUT THE BIG THING I SAY IS, I MIGHT NOT KNOW MEDICAL PROFESSION, BUT I DO KNOW PLANNING AND REAL ESTATE. 63 ACRES IN PLANO IS EXTREMELY VALUABLE LAND. AND THE APARTMENT COMPLEX POINTED OUT THE WIN-WIN, WHICH IS PLAN WITH MINIMAL RESIDENTIAL IMPACT, IS YOU'RE BUILDING YOUR BUILDINGS AWAY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, NOT CLOSE TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THE 2018 APPROVAL VIOLATED THE ZONING LAWS. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 100 FEET NOT 80. WE COMPROMISED AND SAID IT'S FOUR STORIES NOT EIGHT. WE COME BACK FOUR YEARS LATER, SURPRISE SURPRISE, WE WANT ANOTHER FOUR STORIES. AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE END, BECAUSE THIS HOSPITAL IS OWNED BY THE SAME COMPANY THAT OWNS MEDICAL CITY DALLAS. THERE WILL BE FIVE OTHER BUILDINGS, MORE BUILDINGS. YOU'RE CHANGING THE ZONING LAWS SO THEY CAN BUILD WHATEVER THEY WANT WHENEVER THEY WANT. ALL I SAID WAS, AN EFFECTIVE PLAN IS BUILD YOUR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, MINIMIZE THE IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. I THINK THAT'S POSSIE. I DON'T THINK THIS PLAN DOES IT. IT SAYS PLANO, CITY OF EXCELLENCE. I WANT AN EXCELLENT PLAN. THIS IS NOT AN EXCELLENT PLAN. IT CAN BE BETTER. AND I SAY IT CAN BE BETTER, BECAUSE 63 ACRES IS A LOT OF LAND. AND IT NEEDS TO BE MORE EFFECTIVE. AND THE APARTMENT COMPLEX HIGHLIGHTED ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE. SO, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO ADD. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. NEXT IS MATT CARRIC. IF I COULD HAVE JAMES CROSS, BRANDON MEEK, AND DEMETRIUS WILLIAMS READY TO GO. >> HI, MATT, MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL CITY PLANO. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 12 YEARS. I'M ON CALL FOR 12 HOURS THEN BACK UP FOR 12 HOURS. IN THE LAST 12 HOURS I'VE BEEN THERE, SIX YEARS HAVE BEEN DEDICATED TO THE HOSPITAL AND THREE PHYSICALLY IN THE HOSPITAL. I'M DEDICATED TO THE HOSPITAL AND THE REGION AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT HERE. IN PLANO WHEN THERE WAS THE BIG FIGHT TO START A TRAUMA CENTER, WE HAD TO FIGHT WITH PARKLAND. THEY DIDN'T WANT THE TRAUMA PATIENTS GOING DOWN THERE. THE WHOLE TIME THAT THEY WERE GOING DOWN THERE, THEY'RE BLEEDING AND PLEADING IN THE BLO GET TO PARKLAND, WHICH IS WHY IT WAS SO IMPORTANT TO BUILD THE TRAUMA CENTER WHERE WE LIVE. WE'VE GOT A MILLION PEOPLE. WELL, IDEALLY LOCATED HERE, TRAUMA SURGEONS, WE TAKE CARE OF AREA BREATHING CIRCULATION. SO, THREE MINUTES OF TIME, MOTION STUDIES, TWO OR THREE-MINUTE DIFFERENC BETWEEN THOSE TWO FOR THE NEXT TWO MINUTES OF MY TIME, ANYBODY WANT TO HOLD THEIR BREATH WHILE THEIR AIRWAY DOESN'T WORK? PROBABLY NOT. THE PROPOSAL WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, I CAN GO UP THE ELEVATOR, BEAT THE HELICOPTER, SEE THE PATIENT COMING OFF. WHEN I HIT THE GROUND, TAKE A LEFT, A RIGHT TO GET TO THE O.R., E.D., TAKE CARE OF THE PATIENT, SAVE THEIR LIFE. IT'S A GREAT LOCATION WHERE IT IS NOW. ANY QUESTIONS? >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU. NEXT IS JAMES CROSS. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JAMES CROSS, MEDICAL CITY OF THE BURN CENTER MEDICAL CITY PLANO. I'VE BEEN IN THAT POSITION FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS. I'VE BEEN A BURN SURGEON FOR ALMOST 23 YEARS. >> Chair Downs: YOUR ADDRESS? >> 6023 MANDALAY DRIVE, FRISCO. THE NEED TO EXPAND IS CLEAR. THE DOWNSIDE IS IF WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY AND WE'RE FILLED UP WITH BURN PATIEN. THE NEXT TIME A HOUSE FIRE HAPPENS IN PLANO OR THERE'S AN EXPLOSION OR EVEN A KID WORKING DOWN IN THE BURGER KING DOWN THE STREET FROM MEDICAL CITY PLANO WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COME TO US AND WILL HAVE TO GO ELSEWHERE, EITHER DOWNTOWN OR THE NEXT CLOSEST BURN CENTER IS OUTSIDE OF DFW, OKLAHOMA CITY, LUBBOCK, SHREVEPORT. THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING FOR THE PATIENT AND THE PATIENT'S FAMILIES. ONCE WE HAVE AGREED TO EXPAND THE QUESTION IS HOW. FOR A BURN PATIENT, IT'S TO FACILITATE MOVEMENT INTO THE BURN UNIT EFFICIENTLY. THE HELIPAD HAS TO BE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE SO PATIENTS GO TO THE BURN UNIT, NOT LANDING ACROSS THE STREET AND TAKING ELEVATORS AND HALLWAYS. THE LONGER TRANSPORT TIME, THE GREATER THE DELAY OF OPTIMAL CARE. THE BURN UNIT NEEDS TO BE CLOSE TO THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT FOR THE SAME REASONS AS THE LOCATION OF THE HELIPAD. SOME OF THESE VERY LARGE, CRITICALLY INJURED PATIENTS WILL REQUIRE MULTIPLE TRIPS TO THE O.R. THE GREATEST NUMBER FOR ME RECENTLY IS A PATIENT YOU SAW WHO HAD AT LEAST 90% BURN. THEY WENT TO THE OPERATING ROOM 27 TIMES, CUTTING AWAY DEAD SKIN, TEMPORARY COVERAGE, DE-BREEDMENTS, SKIN CELLS AND SPRAY-ON SKIN. EVERY TRIP CAN BE DANGEROUS FOR THESE PATIENTS. IF WE NEED TO TRANSPORT THE PATIENTS THROUGHUT OTHER UNITS, THAT CAN NEEDLESSLY INCREASE THE RISK OF EXPOSING THEM TO BACTERIA FROM PATIENTS AND VISITORS. BESIDES GIVING PATIENTS THE BEST MEDICAL CARE SCIENCE CAN OFFER, WE CAN CONTINUE TO PRODEHE BESTUTCOS BY DESIGNING THE BURN CENTER TO MINIMIZE TRANSPORT TIME, EXPOSURE TO LEEO PATHOGENS, AND OPTIMIZE PATIENT FLOW THROUGHOUT THE HOSPITAL. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, SIR. >> THANK YOU. NEXT IS BRANDON MEEK. >> GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. PARDON ME. I'M THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR OF MEDICAL CITY OF PLANO. I LIVE IN FAIRVIEW. I'VE BEEN THERE FOR 17EARS ONE OF THE LONGEST OF THE GROUP. IT'S UNHEARD OF TO BE AT ONE PLACE FOR 17 YEARS. WE TYPICALLY CHANGE JOBS EVERY TWO TO THREE YEARS. MY GROUP AND I HAVE BEEN AT MEDICAL CITY PLANO FOR A DURATION LONGER THAN ANY OTHER EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT HELICOPTERS, NOISE, HEIGHTS OF BUILDINGS. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME STATISTICS. OUR EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT SEES 140-150 PATIENTS EVERY DAY. 40% OF THOSE PATIENTS GET ADMITTED EVERY DAY. THOSPATIENTS HAVE TO GO. SOMEWHERE. WITHOUT THE EXTRA CAPACITY OF THIS BUILDING, THEY SIT IN MY EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT. THE OTHER HUNDRED PATIENTS -- I'M SORRY, THE OTHER 60% THAT WE DON'T ADMIT SIT IN THE WAITING ROOM BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEM BECAUSE MY ADMISSIONS ARE HOLDING WITHOUT THE EXTRA CAPACITY. WE AVERAGE ABOUT 45-50 EMS PATIENTS A DAY. PLANO EMS AVERAGES 45-50 PATIENT TRANSPORTS. THEY BRING ME 40-50% OF THEIR PATIENTS EVERY DAY. WHEN THAT EMS PATIENT COMES TO MY EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT, AND I DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO PUT THEM, THEY SIT ON MY WALL. WHEN THEY SIT ON MY WALL, THAT EMS PROVIDER IS NOT TAKING CARE OF THE CITIZENS OF PLANO WHO YOU'VE HEARD FROM TODAY. IF I CAN'T GET THOSE EMS PROVIDERS BACK OUT INTO THE CITY, THE CITY IS UNCOVERED. AND THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS. WHY DO THEY BRING US 40-50% OF THEIR PATIENTS? WE HAD A SLOGAN, TAKE ME TO PLANO, MEDICAL CITY PLANO. THEY DO. THEY BRING THEM TO US BECAUSE OF ALL OF OUR SERVICE LINES. THEY KNOW THEY CAN BRING ANYTHING TO MY BACK DOOR AND WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. WE DON'T TRANSFER PATIENTS. WE TAKE CARE OF THEM. WE DO SOMETHING CALLED EMS TIMEOUT. THE EMS PROVIDER BRINGS A PATIENT, WE LISTEN TO THEM, TREAT THEM AS PART OF THE TEAM. WHATEVER THEY BRING IN, THEY SEE THE OUTCOME. WE TAKE THEM TO THE LAB, THE O.R., THEY WATCH OUR COMPREHENSIVE STROKE PATIENTS GET CLOTS RETRIEVED. THEY SEE EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON IN OUR HOSPITAL. WE ACTUALLY -- MYSELF AND ANOTHER PHYSICIAN NAMED DR. GAMBER WERE MEDICAL DIRECTORS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT -- >> YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE PROVIDE TRAINING TO THAT GROUP THAT THEY WOULDN'T GET OTHERWISE. MEDICAL CITY PLANO AND PLANO FIRE DEPARTMENT GO HAND IN HAND. WITHOUT THE EXTRA CAPACITY, WE HAVE TROUBLE TAKING CARE OF OUR EMS PATIENTS. THANK YOU. >> NEXT, WE HAVE DEMETRIUS WILLIAMS, AND THE LAST CARD IS THOMAS HEPPERNAN. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DE-MITA WILLIAMS, NURSING OFFICER AT MEDICAL CITY PLANO. I LIVE IN FRISCO, BUT MOST OF THE TIME I LIVE AT MEDICAL CITY PLANO. I WANT TO JUST SHARE WITH YOU ALL JUST A FEW THINGS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF OUR NURSES THAT ARE CARING FOR ALL THE PATIENTS IN OUR HOSPITAL. WE PRAY THAT NO ONE EVER NEEDS OUR SERVICES. IT WOULD MAKE US VERY HAPPY TO KNOW THAT WE DID NOT NEED TO EXPAND OUR FACILITY AT THIS TI, BU THAT'S NOT THEASE. THE PATIENT POPULATION IS INCREASING IN COMPLEXITY AND ONONLY AT MEDICAL CITY PLANO ARE SERVICES OFFERED THAT ARE REQUIRED. YOU KNOW THE STORY OF THE PAST FEW YEARS DURING A PANDEMIC AND IN COVID AND THE COMPLEXITY OF PATIENTS WE WERE ABLE TO CARE FOR. YOU KNOW MORAL DISTRESS THAT CAREGIVERS, HOSPITAL HEALTHCARE WORKERS WENT THROUGH. EVERYBODY HAD SACRIFICES TO MAKE DURING THAT TIME. MOST OF OUR STAFF STAYED AT THE HOSPITAL. WE PROVIDED HOTELS FOR THEM IN THIS COMMUNITY SO THEY COULD STAY DURING SNO VID. AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU KNOW THAT NONE OF US REALLY WANT TO BE HERE, BUT IT'S WHAT OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS. WE HAVE A MISSION THAT IS ABOVE ALL ELSE, WE ARE COMMITTED TO THE CARE AND IMPROVEMENT OF HUMAN LIFE. AND THAT'S OUR COMMITMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY. WE WANT TO BE THERE TO SERVE THAT COMMUNITY. ON MANY DAYS, AS MENTIONED BEFORE, WE AREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT. AS CHIEF NURSING OFFICER, I'M TO MAKE SURE I CAN FIND A BED FOR EVERYBODY PATIENT. CANNOT TELL YOU THE DISTRESS IT CAUSES WHEN I HAVE PATIENT IN NEED OF SERVICES WE CAN'T PROVIDE. WHEN YOU LIVE IN COLIN COUNTY AND WE SEND YOU TO DALLAS OR A SURROUNDING CITY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY IN THIS CITY TO CARE FOR YOU. IT'S OUR DESIRE TO EXPAND SO WE CAN MEET THE NEEDS OF THIS COMMUNITY TO BETTER SERVE. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. HOW MANY MORE SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE? >> WE HAVE THOMAS IS OUR LAST SPEAKER CARD. WE DO HAVE TWO APPLICANTS FOR AGENDA ITEM 1B THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO TALK IF THEY WOULD STILL LIKE TO, WHICH IS BILL AND TOM SCHUMAN. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. >> [ OFF MIC ] >> Chair Downs: COULD BE, BUT THEY'RE SPEAKING ON 1B. SO WE'LL LET YOU CONTINUE, SIR. WHAT I'M HEARING IS AN EXTENSION OF THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, SO I'M GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK AS WELL, OKAY? SO GO AHEAD. >> HI. I'M TOM, I I LIVE IN DALLAS AND PRACTICE OUT OF MEDICAL CITY PLANO. I DON'T THINK THAT WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY IS NECESSARILY REDUNDANT, BUT IT'S QUITE OBVIOUS THAT THIS IS A CITY OF PLANO. WE ARE NOT A SUBURB. THE CITY IS GROWING EXPONENTIALLY AND THE HOP NEEDS TO GROW WITH -- THE HOSPITAL NEEDS TO GROW WITH IT. WE ARE AT CAPACITY ALL THE TIME. I HAVE CANCER PATIENTS SITTING AND WAITING FOR ROOMS. I CAN'T ADMIT PEOPLE DIRECTLY WHO ARE BLEEDING AS A RESULT OF THE MAXIMUMAPACY THA WE ARE CONSTANTLY AT. I THINK IT'S WORTH INDICATING THIS HOSPITAL TRULY IS A JEWEL IN THE CROWN OF THIS CITY. WE'VE ALREADY ENUMERATED A LOT OF THE SUPERLATIVES. WE TAKE CARE OF YOU. WE TAKE CARE OF YOUR WIVES AND YOUR DAUGHTERS AND YOUR SONS, YOUR SPOUSES. WE TAKE CARE OF YOUR CHIEFS OF POLICE AND YOUR FIRE CHIEFS AND YOUR POLICEMEN. THAT'S WHAT WE DO AS A LEVEL ONE TRAUMA CENTER. AND I TNK THAT IT'S WORTH UNDERSTANDING JUST HOW TRULY VALUABLE THAT IS. WE DO NOT AS A HOSPITAL AND AS A BOARD DISCOUNT THE CONCERNS OF OUR NEIGHBORS. THEY'RE OBVIOUS AND I THINK ANY RATIONAL PERSON WOULD HAVE THOSE CONCERNS. AND WOULD EXPRESS THAT FRUSTRATION. AND WE GET IT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE CITY'S NOT GETTING ANY SMALLER. THE HOSPITAL CAN'T POSSIBLY GET SMALLER AND CAN'T RATIONALLY GROW ANY OTHER WAY. I THINK ALL OF US CAN REMEMBER A TIME WHERE YOU'VE BEEN LOSTN A HOSPITAL AND IT'S BECAUSE THAT HOSPITAL WAS FORCED TO GROW IN AN ILLOGICAL, IRRATIONAL WAY. WE ARE TRYING TO GROW THIS RATIONALLY CAREFULLY CLEANLY TO ALLOW FOR THE BEST CARE OF OUR PATIENTS. AND WHILE, AGAIN, WE DON'T DISCOUNT THE CONCERNS OF OUR NEIGHBORS, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 25,000 PEOPLE THAT WE TREATED LAST YEAR, I DO FEEL THAT THAT WEIGHS A BIT GREATER THAN THE 250 RESIDENTS NEARBY. AND I WILL STOP WITH THAT. THANK YOU. >> Chair Dow: THANK YOU, SIR. >> WE HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT SELECTED THE WRONG ITEM. HE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM. DAN THOMAS. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. >> THANKS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT -- >> Chair Downs: NAME AND ADDRESS. >> DAN THOMAS, 3518, I LIVED IN PLANO FOR 15 YEARS RAISING MY FAMILY, A HEALTHCARE ARCHITECT. ORNANC AND SHADOWS, ANDT EXPANSION. AND WE'VE GOT A PLAN TO EXPAND, I SUPPORT THE PLAN. BUT WHAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IS THAT THIS IS A LEVEL ONE TRAUMA CENTER THAT'S PROVIDING THAT CARE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND MY HOUSE IS IN THE PATH OF THE HELICOPTER AND EVERY TIME I SEE A HELICOPTER GO BY IT'S TIME SENSITIVE. I'M GOING LORD, SAVE THAT PERSON. AND ANYTIME WE CAN CREATE A BUILDING THAT HELPS OUR PHYSICIANS AND OUR HOSPITAL TO SAVE THOSE LIVES, WE SHOULD DO . AND SO IT'S ABOUT THE LIVES THAT ARE IN THAT HELICOPTER AND THOSE LIVES THAT ARE IN THE HOSPITAL. I BIRTHED BOTH MY CHILDREN AT MEDICAL CITY PLANO. MY FATHER-IN-LAW WAS IN THE STROKE CENTER. AND IT IS MY HOSPITAL. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE ABOUT, IS REALLY SAVING LIVES, A LEVEL ONE TRAUMA CENTER IN THIS AREA SUPPORTING PLANO AND COLIN COUNTY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. OKAY. I WANT TO GIVE -- YOU CAN PICK WHICH ONE YOU WANT TO GO, BUT YOU'VE GOT THREE MINUTES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. MY NAME IS ERIC. I WORK FOR AN ACOUSTICAL CONSULTING FIRM AND WE'VE BEEN HIRED TO LOOK AT THE NOISE ISSUES DUE TO THE HELICOPTER FLIGHTS. AND THE KEY ELEMENTS HERE ARE THE FLIGHT PATTERNS OF THE HELICOPTERS. THEY FLY FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH CURRENTLY, DOWN A NARROW ALLEY BEHIND THE BUILDINGS. AND THAT WAS -- THE NOISE FROM THAT WAS MIS-CHARACTERIZED IN THE REPORT FROM THE NCP'S CONSULTANT. IT SHOWED LEVELS COMING UP SLIGHTLY AND THEN DISAPPEARING. WELL, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS BECAUSE THE HELICOPTERS FLY BEHIND THE BUILDING. I'VE STOOD IN THE EXACT PLACE WHERE THEY HAD THEIR MEASUREMENT MICROPHONE AND IT WAS PERFECTLY OBVIOUS. THE REASON THE LEVELS WENT DOWN IS BECAUSE THE HELICOPTER WENT BEHIND THE BUILDING. THOSE NUMBERS ARE DISHONEST, EXTREMELY DISHONEST. THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS IS THAT THE PROPOSAL RECOMMENDATION THAT MARK MADE, HAVING THE BUILDING TURNED AROUND 90° FROM THE PLAN FO TER C KEEPS THE HELICOPTERS TRAVELING IN THE DIRECTION OF THE WIND, THE NATURAL WIND IN THE AREA, NORTH HAD SOUTH, SOUTH TO NORTH. .IF YOU HAVE THE HELL LIADDS ON BUILDING C, THE HELICOPTERS HAVE TO DIVERT AROUND OR OVER THE ELEVATOR AND STAIR TOWERS AT EITHER END, CREATING MORE INSAFE FLIGHT PATTERN AND A LONGER HOVER TIME OVER THE AREA. SO, THESE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUES IN PLANNING HOW THE HELICOERSRE GOING TO APPROACH AND DEPART THESE BUILDINGS. THE OTHER ITEM IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME ON-SITE THAT THESE HELICOPTERS LAST IS GREATLY UNDERSTATED IN MCP'S REPORT. THE HELICOPTERS TAKE QUITE A BIT OF TIME. I'VE MEASURED THEM COMING AND GOING. THEY'RE THERE FOR 5-10 MINUTES WITH THEIR MOTORS RUNNING. IF THEY'RE IN THE AIR RIGHT OVER, VIRTUALLY OVER THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, THAT SOUND IS ALL GOING TO COME DIRECTLY DOWN ON THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, IN COMBINATION TO THE REFLEXIVES RS OFF THE BUILDINGS THEY'RE PLANNING. NOT ONLY DO THE RESIDENCE OF THE APARTMENTS RECEIVE THIS OVERFLY NOISE, THEY'RE GOING TO RECEIVE REFLECTIONS OFF OF MULTIPLE BUILDINGS AT DIFFERENT TIMES AND DOUBLING THE SIZE OF THE FOUR-STORY BUILDING TO EIGHT STORIES WILL DOUBLE THE REFLECTIVE SURFACE. THEY'RE GOING TO GET AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MORE NOISE THAN WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING. RIGHT NOW THE HELICOPTERS GO BEHIND THE BUILDING. >> SIR, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> THIS IS OUR POINT, THAT THE MODELING THAT MCP DID IS COMPLETELY FALSE. IT DOESN'T REPRESENT THE PRESENTATION THAT THE HELICOPTERS WILL ACTUALLY DO. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO SET UP A SOUND DEMONSTRATION FOR THIS COUNCIL OR FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO HEAR WHAT THAT EFFECT WOULD BE IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING. THIS IS A HEARING. MAYBE WE SHOULD USE OUR EARS AND HEAR WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> BARRY KNIGHT, 3521 RANKIN STREET DALLAS REPRESENTING ASPEN COURT. I'VE REPRESENTED ASPEN COURT APARTMENTS IN 2018 WHEN THE HOSPITAL PROPOSED THEIR EIGHT-STORY EXPANSION. INSTEAD OF HAVING THEIR EIGHT-STORY EXPANSION IN ANOTHER LOCATION WEST OF THIS SITE, THEY NEGOTIATED A COMPROMISE OF FOUR STORIES. NOW THEY'RE BACK IN FOUR YEARS TO PUT NOT ONLY FOUR LEVELS, ADDITIONAL LEVELS, BUT ALSO THE HE LIPADS. THEY SAID THE FOUR-STORY BUILDING WOULD BUFFERRER THE HELIPADS. IT SOUNDS LIKE NO ONE IS AGAINST THE EXPANSION OF THE HOSPITAL. EVERY THINKS PLANO MEDICAL CENTER OUGHT TO EXPAND, IT'S HOW THEY EXPAND. THIS IS THE CHEAPEST WAY FOR THEM TO EXPAND. IT WAS KIND OF DISINGENUOUS TO AN EIGHT-STORY FOUNDATION WHEN THE CITY OF PLANO SAID NO TO THE EIGHT-STORY BUILDING. NOW THEY SAY WE CAN'T PUT IT ANYWHERE ELSE. THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY IN 2018 TO PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT THEY DIDN'T DO IT. THEY NEED TO DO IT NOW. YOU PROTECTED THE RESIDENTS IN 2018, PROTECT THE RESIDENTS NOW. AND IT'S REALLY DISAPPOINTING TO HEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S OKAY IF YOU LIVE IN ANOTHER PART OF PLANO, YOU SERVED ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. IT'S ALL RIGHT TO REALLY PUT IT TO CONDOMINIUM AND APARTMENT RESIDENTS. BUT BOY, DON'T DO IT TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTS IN PLANO. THAT WAS REALLY BAD FORM, I THOUGHT. SO, PLEASE, GO WITH YOUR STA RECOMMENDATION. FOLLOW YOUR PLANNING PRINCIPLES. FOLLOW YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND SEND THEM BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. DON'T SAY NO TO EXPANSION. WE KNOW PLANO MEDICAL CITY HAS TO EXPAND. BUT THEY HAVE A 50-ACRE BLANK CANVAS TO EXPAND. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THE TWO SPEAKERS THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON ITEM 1B? >> YES, THE APPLICANT, BILL, AND TOM SCHUMAN. >> Chair Downs: IS HE PART OF THE APPLICANT? >> HE IS. HE'S REGISTERED IN THAT RESPECT. >> Chair Downs: I WOULD SAY IT CAN BE PART OF YOUR FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL OR IF YOU'D PREFER TO HAVE . . . >> HI, CHRISTINA, COO, MEDICAL CITY PLANO. I'M GOINGO TOUCH ON THE HIGHLIGHTS AND DEFER TO SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS ON MORE SPECIFIC AREAS OF THEIR EXPERTISE. >> Chair Downs: THERE WILL LIKELY BE QUESTIONS, SO BE AWARE. THEY CAN SPEAK IF NEEDED TO ANSWER A QUESTION. >> THANK YOU. I THINK REGARDING THE ALTERNATE PROPOSAL PUT IN FRONT OF US, THIS BUILDING WAS USED AS PART OF OUR ANALYSIS AND OUR TIME STUDY. WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD PADS ON THE TOWER WITHOUT TAKING DOWN THE EXISTING HAMILTON HAMHELIPADS.THE SUPPORT BEAMS BE CONNECTOR ARE IN THE FIRE LANE AND THE EMS DRIVEWAY. IT WOULD DIRECTLY IMPACT OUR ABILITY TO EXECUTE ON NORTH PARKING GARAGE AND THE NORTH. M.O.B. AND WOULD REQUIRE ELEVATOR RIDES FOR CASE INTERVENTION FOR PATIENTS, WHICH WOULD CREATE UNNECESSARY RISK. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE AS PART OF THIS PROCESS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. A LOT OF THE CONGESTION THAT MAY BE EXPERIENCED CURRENTLY IS DRIVEN BY THE FACT THAT WE NEED ADDITIONAL PARKING. WE'RE WORKING TO ADDRESS THAT AS PART OF THIS EXPSION PLAN. TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AS FAR AS WHAT WE ARE DOING TO MINIMIZE IMPACT, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE TOWER EXPANSION IS A FRUSTRATION POINT. WE FEEL THAT THE COMMITMENT WE'RE MAKING WITH THE RESIDENTIAL BUFFER OF NOT EXPANDING ANY BUILDINGS BEYOND TWO STORIES IN ALL OF THE AREAS SURROUNDING THAT C TOWER EXPANSION SACRIFICING A BED TOWER, THE HEIGHT OF A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, ARE INTENTIONS OF GOOD FAITH TO SHOW WE ARE COMMITTED TO BEING GOOD PARTNERS. THIS COMES DOWN TO THE CLINICAL ASPECTS OF THE PATIENT POPULATION WE'RE NEEDING TO SERVE. I WISH WE COULD MOVE OUR E.D., OUR O.R., BUT THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS AND WE HAVE TO BUILD THESE BEDS FOR THESE PATIENTS IN THAT ONE SPOT IN PARTICULAR. I'M GOING TO DEFER TO TOM TO SHARE FEEDBACK ON THE HELICOPTER STUDY AND NOISE. >> ROB LEE, LIVING IN DALLAS, AND I REPRESENT BAI, WHO DID THE NOISE ANALYSIS FOR MEDICAL CITY. I THINK THE BIG THING THAT I WANT TO MENTION IS THAT OUR MEASUREMENT LOCATION WAS NOT A MIS-CHARACTERIZATION OR DISHONEST. WE'VE CHOSEN A MEASUREMENT LOCATION THAT PRESENTED THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF NOISE AT THE PROPERTY LINE FOR THE WE CHOSE A LOCATION THAT ACTUALLY STILL HAD LINE OF SIGHT TO THE HELIPAD IN QUESTION. SO OUR GOAL WAS TO GET THE MAXIMUM LEVEL OF NOISE AT THAT LOCATION, WHICH ACTUALLY HAPPENS WHEN THE HELICOPTER PASSES PERPENDICULAR TO THE -- TO OUR MEASUREMENT LOCATION AT THE PROPERTY LINE. >> Chair Downs: HOW MUCH TIME IS LEFT? >> TWO MINUTES. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. >> GOOD EVENING. TOM SCHUMAN, OWNER AND PRESIDENT OF FEC HELIPORT. WE BUILD, DESIGN, MANUFACTURE, INSTALL HELIPORT, GROUND PADS, ROOFTOP PADS. WE'RE FORTUNATE TO DO OVER 400 MA IN THIS AREA, CURRENTLYS., HAVE IN-HOUSE CONTRACT TO DO ROOFTOP HELIPAD VERY SIMILAR TO THIS AT CHILDREN'S PLANO. THERE'S A TREND AND A REASON WHY PEOPLE WANT TO MOVE HELIPADS UP. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT HELIPADS AND HELICOPTER OPERATIONS, THEY NEED CLEAR SPACE. THE FAA HAS AN ADVISORY CIRCULAR THAT DICTATES AND LAYS OUT CLEAR SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR HELIPADS, OKAY? THE FAA DOES NOT APPROVE HELIPAD STRUCRES, THEY APPROVE AIR SPACE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT A HELIPAD, THINK ABOUT IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S AT GRADE LEVEL OR ROOFTOP LEVEL. WHAT THE HELICOPTER LANDS ON, THE STRUCTURAL ASPECT OF THAT, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL CLEAR SPACES AROUND THAT AREA. THOSE CLEAR SPACES CAN HAVE NOTHING HIGHER THAN TWO INCHES TALL WITHIN THAT SAFETY AREA. THAT MEANS CARS, PEOPLE, TREES, LIGHTS, ALL OFHOSE THINGS. YOU GET A HECK OF A LOT MORE OF THAT ON GRADE THAN YOU DO UP ON A ROOFTOP. THESE PILOTS, THEY NEED CONSISTENCY AND THEY NEED CLEAR SPACE. YOU GET THAT AS YOU ELEVATE HELIPADS. THERE'S NO STATISTICAL DATA ANYWHERE THAT SAYS THAT ELEVATING A HELIPAD MAKES IT LESS SAFE. IT'S CONTRARY. MY OFFICE GETS CALLS EVERY DAY, CAN I MOVE MY HELIPAD? >> SIR, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> THANK YOU. CAN I MOVE MY GROUND PAD? I'M GETTING ROTOR WASH DAMAGE. I'M PINGING CARS, I'M KNOCKING THINGS OVER. WE GIVE THESE PILOTS, WHO ARE FANTASTIC PEOPLE, WHO LIVE AND EAT SAFETY EVERY DAY, MORE OPTIONS . THEY CAN COME IN AT A STEEPER ANGLE, THEY CAN COME IN FROM DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. THEY HAVE EVERY BIT OF SAFETY BUILT INTO WHAT THEY DO. THEY DON'T WANT TO FLY OVER PEOPLE'S HOUSES. THEY KNOW WHEN THEY GET PHONE CALLS. THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. THEY FLY TRENDILY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S TAUGHT TO THEM FROM THE TIME THEY GET THEIR HELICOPTER LICENSE. IT'S CALLED FLY FRIENDLY . >> SIR, YOU HAVE EXHAUSTED YOUR TIME. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. OKAY. I THINK AT THIS POINT WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS SEE IF THE COMMISSION HAS QUESTIONS.& I THINK THE FIRST THING I MIGHT ASK IS EVERYBODY GOOD OR DO WE NEED A QUICK RESTROOM? ANYONE NEED -- WE'RE ALL VE GD. KNOW WE HAVE QUESTIONS. EVERYBODY UP HERE, YOU CAN'T SEE US REACHING FOR BUTTONS. WHO WAS FIRST? COMMISSIONER HORNE? >> Horne: I'LL TAKE AWAY. QUESTION FOR MR. SIMS. >> Chair Downs: YOU CAN COME UP TO THE PODIUM. >> Horne: THANK YOU, MR. SIMS. FIRST, LET ME APPLAUD YOU, THE STAFF, THE DOCTORS, THE NURSES, THE VOLUNTEERS, THE CANDY STRIPERS, THE EMTs FOR AN OUTSTANDING WELL-RUN ORGANIZED HOSPITAL. THE ACCOLADES THAT YOU HAVE, THE NUMBER ONE RANKINGS IN TRAUMA, BURN, ET CETERA IS SOMETHING TO BE APPLAUDED AND PROUD OF AND I THINK THOSE OF US IN THIS ROOM APPLAUD YOU JUST FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND I PERSONALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE. [APPLAUSE] WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. YOU SAID YOU'RE E WITH E.R. OR E.D. I'M ASSUMING THAT THE E.R. WAS ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED IN '75 WHEN THE POPULATION OF PLANO WAS 65,000 PEOPLE. DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME IT WAS EXPANDED? >> 2016. >>2016. >> Horne: 2016 IT WAS EXPANDED AND YOU'RE STILL RUNNING OUT OF SPACE. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Horne: WITH THE TOWER C, ARE YOU PLANNING TO EXPAND FURTHER THE E.R.? >> AT THE MOMENT WE'RE NOT. IT'S NOT PART OF OUR CAMPUS MASTER PLAN BUT WE DO THINK OVER TIME THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL OF THAT BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT PLANNING FOR THAT. >> Horne: TOWER C IS REALLY EXPANSION OF THE BURN UNIT. >> BURN UNIT AND ALSO OUR TRAUMA UNIT. >> Horne: THAT'S GOING TO BE THE TOP FOUR FLOORS OF THE EXISTING FLOOR. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Horne: OKAY. SO TOWER C, YOU WANT TO EXPAND TO IT. I GUESS I HAVE TO ASK YOU, MAYBE YOU MAY NOT KNOW THIS ANSWER BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING SIGNIFICANT WEIGHT TO THE EXISTING FOUNDATION AND STRUCTURE. HAS THAT -- IS THAT FOUNDATION READY TO DO THAT, TAKE ON THOSE FOUR FLOORS PLUS THE HELISTOPS? >> YES. IT IS. >> Horne: I'M SORRY? >> IT IS. YES SIR. CORRECT. IT'S STRESSED TO GO UP TO EIGHT STORIES, INCLUDING THE HELIPADS. >> Horne: BACK WHEN THAT BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED, YOU SPENT ADDITIONAL MONIES, IF YOU WILL, TO BEEF UP THAT FOUNDATION AND THE SUBSTRUCTURE FOR IT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE UP. WHEN IN 2018 YOU MADE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT YOU WEREN'T. CORRECT? >> I WASN'T HERE IN 2018 SO I CAN'T SPEAK -- >> Horne: SPEAKING FOR THE CITY, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE NEGOTIATIONS WERE THAT YOU WERE NOT GOING TO GO UP BECAUSE YOU KEPT THE FOUR-STORY BUILDING SO IT WOULD MUTE THE NOISE OF THE HELISTOPS, HELIPADS THAT WERE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING. CORRECT? >> THAT WAS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING NO SIR. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS ORIGINALLY IT WAS AN EIGHT-STORY TOWER TO KP PACE WITH THEROWT OF THE COMMUNITY. IT WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE LANDOWNERS AND OTHERS TO DO FOUR STORIES BUT IT WAS NEVER STATED THAT WE WOULD NEVER GO UP TO EIGHT STORIES. THERE'S A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD THAT DISPUTES THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING -- >> Horne: I'M TRYING TO GET AN ANSWER HERE. I HAVE ONE GROUP THAT'S SAYING THAT WE HAD -- IT WAS AGREED TO BECAUSE OF MUTING THE NOISE OF THE HELICOPTERS BUT NOW I'M GETTING SOMETHING ELSE. MR. DAHLSTROM? >> BILL DAHLSTROM, 2323 ROSS AVENUE. I WAS HERE IN 2018. SEVERAL OF YOU WE HERE ON THE COMMISSION BACK THEN. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE HELIPADS WERE ALREADY THERE WHEN WE CAME BACK WITH THAT ZONING CASE IN 2018. THEY WERE ALREADY THERE. WE HAD PROPOSED AN EIGHT-STORY BUILDING. AT THE TIME OUR NEEDS WEREN'T FOR THE EIGHT STORIES. WE HAD AGREED TO COME DOWN TO FOUR STORIES AT THAT TIME. I LOOKED AT THE VIDEOS OF THE HEARING AND WE AGREED THAT IT MAY COME IN THE FUTURE AT SOME POINT BUT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE COVID. WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THE EXPLOSIVE GROWTH OF COLLIN COUNTY OR THE NEEDS OF THE HOSPITAL. SO AS A MATTER OF COURSE, BECAUSE OF ALL THOSE ACTIVITIES, ALL THOSE OCCURRENCES, WE FELT IT WAS NECESSARY TO COME BACK FOR EIGHT STORIES NOW. >> Horne: OKAY. WELL, MY CONCERN THAT I HAVE HERE IS THAT WE HAD AN AGREEMENT JUST FOUR YEARS AGO THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS AUGUST BODY PLUS THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEN WE'RE COMING BACK FOUR YEARS LATER AND YOU WANTED TO EXPAND UPWARDS AGAIN, FULLY AWARE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE A SUBSTRUCTURE THAT CAN SUPPORT THE WEIGHT OF T. SO IT APPEARS, TO A CASUAL EYE IF SOMEONE IS LIVING CLOSE BY, THAT IT'S ALMOST DISINGENUOUS THAT YOU WERE INTENDING TO KEEP YOUR PROMISE AS TO THE FOUR-STORY LIMIT. BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT NOW IT WAS NEVER REALLY A PROMISE TO KEEP IT AT FOUR STORIES. >> NO, SIR, THERE WAS NOT. ABSOLUTELY NOT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX STATED ON THE RECORD IN 2018 AT THE P&Z HEARING HE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE FOUNDATION WAS FOR EIGHT >> Horne: SO IT BRINGS US BACK TO A SECOND ISSUE WE HAVE HERE IS THAT RESIDENTIAL BUFFER LINE THAT WE HAVE DRAWN ON TO YOUR CURRENT PLANS. THAT NOTHING IS GOING TO BE LARGER THAN TWO STORIES ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE OF THAT BUFFER LINE EXCEPT FOR THIS FOUR STORY TO EIGHT-STORY BUILDING, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT, YES, SIR. >> Horne: IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AGREE TO THAT IT'S GOING TO BE PERMANENT? >> YES. >> YES, SIR, WE CAN. >> Horne: ALL RIGHT. AND THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE REALLY IS HAS THERE BEEN A VALUE ENGINEERING STUDY OF YOUR ENTIRE LAYOUT? I'M LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE HERE. I'M HEARING FROM MR. SIMS THAT YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF E.R. SPACE NOW AND IT WAS EXPANDED IN 2016. WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR PROPOSED PARKING GARAGE HERE, IT LOOKS LIKE A VERY LARGE BUILDING THAT'S ON THE INTERIOR OF THE PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A PARKING GARAGE. IT COULD BE A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING WITH A FULL FLOOR DOWN BELOW FOR E.R., IF YOU WILL, IN THAT YOU CAN JUST GO STRAIGHT UP. YOU CAN GO 12 STORIES AT THAT POINT AND MEET ALL YOUR E.R. AND TRAUMA NEEDS AND BURN NEEDS, ET CETERA. DID YOU GUYS DO ANY TYPE OF ENGINEERING EVALUATION ON THE INTERIOR SPACE OUTSIDE -- ON THE WEST SIDE OF THIS FOUR-STORY BUILDING? >> COMMISSIONER HORNE, I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO OUR ARCHITECT. >> MY NAME IS KELLEY WHITNEY, I LIVE IN DALLAS. WE HAVE DONE EXTENSIVE SURVEYS ON THE PROPERTY. AS YOU WERE STATING ABOUT DOING IT AS A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING, YOU CANNOT PUT A HOSPITAL IN A MEDICAL HOSPITAL BUILDING PER CODE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. MOVING THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT BUILDING WOULD NOT WORK BECAUSE YOU'RE MOVING 25 O.R.s AND YOUR E.D. WHAT THEY STATED IS THEY HAVE RUN OUT OF BEDS TO MOVE PATIENTS OUT OF THE E. D. SO RIGHT NOW WHAT I THINK YOU'RE GETTING HUNG UP ON POTENTIALLY IS THAT THE E.D. IS AT THE RIGHT SIZE BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE BEDS TO MOVE THE PATIENTS UP SO THEY CAN BE SOMEBODY ELSE IN AN EXAM ROOM. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SAYING IT'S HOLDING IT AND IT'S NOT ACCOMMODATING EVERYTHING. IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THE SIZE OF THE E.D. IS NOT AVAILABLE TO CURRENTLY FIT EVERYTHING, IT'S MORE OR LESS THEY DON'T HAVE BEDS TO PUT PATIENTS IN. AS FAR AS LOOKING AT THE CAMPUS, YES, BUT WE HAVE ALSO OTHER PARTS OF THE HOSPITAL THAT YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR. PEOPLE THAT GO INTO MEDICAL SURGICAL ROOMS COULD STILL CRASH AND THEY HAVE TO GET TO AN O.R. OR -- THEY HAVE TO GET TO THE O.R. YOU PUT IT -- WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING IT ABOVE AND FURTHER AWAY, THAT'S FURTHER FOR THAT PATIENT THAT'S IN THE REST OF THE HOSPITAL TO TRAVEL TO GET TO THOSE SPACES. SO IF ANY EXPANSION GOES ON, IT HAPPENS IN THE AREAS THAT WE HAVE SHOWN. >> Horne: IT SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU HAVE NOT EXHAUSTED ALL THE ALTERNATIVES YOU CAN TO EXPAND THE E.D., INCLUDING EXAM ROOMS, ICUs, ET CETERA. THAT YOU'RE JUST BASICALLY BETTING ON THIS FOUR-STORY BUILDING EXPANDING IT TO GO UP ANOTHER FOUR AND YOU'RE STILL NOT ADDRESSING YOUR E.R. ISSUES. >> [OFF MIC] >> Horne: MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING HERE. >> [OFF MIC] >> MAYBE I'LL OFFER A BIT OF CLARITY. AS MENTIONED EARLIER, NEARLY 70% OF THE PATIENTS WE ADMIT INTO OUR HOSPITAL ARRIVE VIA THE EMERGENCY ROOM. WHEN WE DON'T HAVE A BED FOR THEE EMERGENCY ROOM WHEREAS IF WE DID HAVE AN EXPANSION WITH ADDITIONAL BEDS, WE COULD MOVE THEM OUT OF THE E.R. INTO AN INPATIENT BED. THEY'RE BACKING UP THE E.R., WHICH IS LIMITING OUR CAPABILITY TO TAKE OTHER PATIENTS IN THE E.R. IF THE PATIENT IS OUT OF THE E.R., WITH ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, WE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACE TO CARE FOR THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE NOT IMMEDIATELY ASKING FOR AN E.R. EXPANSION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> CORRECT. WE HAVE 45 BEDS -- >> Chair Downs: FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS, COMMENTS FROM THE DIENCE, NO ONE AT HOME CAN HEAR YOU. SO THE SIMPLEST THING TO DO IS FOR SOMEBODY TO CONTROL THE PODIUM, IN THIS CASE I'LL LET IT BE YOU, SIR, THE CEO. IF YOU NEED SOMEONE FROM YOUR STAFF TO ANSWER A QUESTION, ASK THEM TO COME FORWARD. IF YOU WOULD SPEAK INTO THE MIC, THAT WAY ANYBODY WATCHING FROM HOME CAN HEAR WHAT'S BEING SAID. THANK YOU. >> DR. MEEK. >> WE HAVE 45 BEDS IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT AVAILABLE TO USE. ON DAYS THAT WE HAVE 25 ADMISSIONS, THEY CAN'T MOVE TO AN INPATIENT BED, I ONLY HAVE 20 BEDS. SO IT'S NOT A LACKF PLAS TO PUT THEM, IT'S THAT THEY NEED TO MOVE OUT AND THEY HAVEN'T MOVED OUT SO WE NEED THE CAPACITY ELSEWHERE SO I CAN KEEP MY E.D. FLOWING. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >> YOU BET. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER TONG. >> Tong: CHAIRMAN, I HAVE QUESTIONS TO THREE DIFFERNT GROUPS OF PEOPLE. SHOULD I ASK THEM ALL TOGETHER OR JUST FOR THE APPLICANTS? >> Chair Downs: WE'RE JUST SPEAKING TO THE APPLICANT AND ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. >> Tong: FIRST OF ALL, I TOTALLY UNDERAND THA THE NEEDS OF THE EXPANSION. AND I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. MY MOM HAD A SURGERY LAST WEEK AND THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE, IT WAS IN PLANO BUT WE HAD TO SEND HER TO MEDICAL CITY IN FRISCO TO DO THE SURGERY BECAUSE -- THEY DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY IT WAS A BED ISSUE BUT I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY EMPTY OUT THERE AND THE BEDS ARE PRETTY FULL HERE AND SHE HAD TO SUFFER THE DRIVE HALF AN HOUR BACK AND FORTH. THE DAY BEFORE THE SURGERY, THE DAY OF THE SURGERY, ON THE WAY BACK FROM THE SURGERY. I TOTALLY SUPPORT YOU ON THE EXPANSION. IT'S TOTALLY NEEDED AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE CITIZENS OF PLANO AND THE CITIZENS AROUND PLANO. I'M PRETTY SURE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING FROM OTHER CITIES TO OUR EXCELLENT SERVICE IN THIS HOSPITAL. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTENTION OF THIS PROJECT. IT'S NEEDED. THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IS BECAUSE THERE ARE CONCERNS OF OUR CITIZENS AND OUR JOB HERE IS TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. SO I CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE TWO MAJOR ISSUES HERE. ONE IS THAT YOU NEED MORE BEDS. AND TWO IS THAT YOU WANT TO MOVE THE HELISTOPS. THOSE TWO THINGS HAVE BEEN TALKED KIND OF ALL TOGETHER ALL EVENING. MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS IS THERE ANY CHANCE OR ANY PLANS THAT YOU HAVE EXPLORED TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO ISSUES? YBE HE A BUILDING THAT'S GIVING YOU MORE BEDS, NOT EXACTLY ON THE BUILDING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING NOW, MAYBE AT A SEPARATE LOCATION. BUT ALSO HAVE THE HELISTOP IN A SEPARATE BUILDING. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING. YOU HAVE TO BUILD HIGHER. YOU HAVE TO PUT THE HELISTOPS ON THE SAME BUILDING. CAN YOU SEPARATE THOSE TWO ISSUES? >> FIRST OFF, I HOPE YOUR MOM'S DOING WELL. >> Tong: THANK YOU. ACCOMMODE HER AT MEDICAL TO CITY, WHETHER IT'S FRISCO OR PLANO. YOU'RE RIGHT. THE CAPACITY DOES PLACE STRESS, EVEN WHEN WE'RE IN THE E.R., FOR OUR PATIENTS AND OTHERS. IT DOES ILLUSTRATE KIND OF THE POINT. TWO THINGS I WOULD ADD. NUMBER ONE IS WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS AND WE CANNOT SEPARATE THE TWO AT PRESENT BECAUSE WITH THE TOWER BUILD UP, IT WILL CREATE A CENTRIFUGAL FORCE WHERE THE HELICOPTERS HAVE A DIFFICULTY LANDING IN THE CURRENT EXISTING PADS THAT THEY CURRENTLY ARE AT. THE SECOND THING, WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR HIGHEST AND MOST CRITICAL NEED AT THE MOMENT AT MEDICAL CITY PLANO, IT IS FOR ICU, INTENSIVE CARE LEVEL FOR BURN SPECIFICALLY AND TRAUMA. THAT NEEDS TO GO FIRST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING THE INCREASE IN RELATIVE TO OUR COMMUNITY, THE GROWTH, THE AGING OF OUR POPULATION, AND ULTIMATELY WHEN WE DISSECT OUT OUR CAPACITY CONSTRAINTS AND WHERE WE CAN BE THE BIGGEST ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY, IT'S IN THOSE TWO AREAS. WE FEEL, ALL OUR CONSULTANTS FELT, THAT THE TWO PROJECTS WILL HAVE TO GO HAND IN HAND. >> Tong: THANK YOU FOR THAT. ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS THE REASON WHY OURTAFFIDN'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR NOT APPROVAL WAS BECAUSE THERE'S TRANSITIONS NEEDED, RIGHT, ACCORDING TO OUR COMP PLAN BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, THERE NEEDS TO BE TRANSITIONS, CORRECT? SO HAVE YOU EXPLORED ANY OPTIONS TO BUILD THAT TRANSITION OR FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN? >> YES, COMMISSIONER TONG, AGAIN, BILL DAHLSTROM. TRY TO PROTECT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND DO SOME THINGS THAT QUITE FRANKLY WE DIDN'T ORIGINALLY PROPOSE, FOR EXAMPLE MOVING OUR TEN-STORY PARKING GARAGE INTERNALLY FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY TO THE EAST. WE'RE PROVIDING AN EIGHT-FOOT MASONRY WALL ALONG THAT BOUNDARY WHERE THERE'S I BELIEVE A SIX FOOT TODAY. WE'RE PROVIDING A 50-FOOT LANDSCAPE EDGE ON THAT SOUTH SIDE AS WELL. AS WAS STATED EARLIER, WE'RE REDUCING THE SIZE -- WE HAD A MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDING ON THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWER C THAT WAS ORIGINALLY AT FIVE STORIES. THAT WAS CLOSEST TO THE CONDOMINIUMS. WE HAVE AGREED TO DROP THAT TO TWO STORIES. WE'VE ADDED THE RESIDENTIAL BUFFER AREA LIMITING THAT AREA THAT'S DEFINED JUST TO TWO STORIES. WE PROVIDED THE 80-FOOT SETBACK FROM THE EIGHT-STORY ELEMENT. THAT WASN'T REALLY DESCRIBED, I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT, WE HAVE AGREED TO PUT IN TWO STAT EVERGREEN SHRUBS EIGHT-FEET AT THE TIME OF PLANTING, ADJACENT TO THE APARTMENTS TO HELP SOFTEN THAT VIEW. WE HAVE AGREED TO PUT IN A THREE-FOOT BERM AND ORNAMENTAL FENCE ON THE CORNER. AS WAS PREVIOUSLY STATED IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION, THERE WAS A MINIMAL REFLECTIVE GLASS REQUIREMENT THAT WILL CONTINUE AND CARRY FORWARD TO THIS ELEMENT. WE BELIEVE WE'VE RESPOND AND WE'VE DONE WHAT WE CAN DO TO PROVIDE THE KIND OF SETBACK, I GUESS MORE OF AN ARCHITECTURAL OR BUFFERING SCREENING, IF YOU WILL -- THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD -- SCREENING OF THE PROPERTY FROM THE ADJACENT APARTMENTS AND ADJACENT CONDOMINIUMS. AND THE SETBACK FROM THE SINGLE-FAMILY AS WELL AS THE WALL. >> Tong: THANK YOU. LAST QUESTION FOR YOU IS THAT CURRENT EXISTING FOUR-STORYHE- BUILDING COMPARED TO THE EIGHT-STORY BUILDING AND ALSO I WANT TO THANK ONE OF THE APARTMENT REPRESENTATIVES THAT SHOWED THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FOUR STORY AND EIGHT STORY AND THE VISUAL DIFFERENCE FROM THE APARTMENT. HAVE YOU STUDIED ANY OPPORTUNITIES OR DO ANY ANALYSIS IN THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING THAT MAY KIND OF MITIGATE THE PROBLEM OF CASTING THE SHADOW OF THE APARTMENT BUILDING. >> I'LLEFER TO OUR ARCHITECT ON THAT QUESTION. >> SO YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT IF THERE WAS ANY DESIGN THAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT CASTING SHADOWS? IT'S ALL BASED ON THE SUN AND SOLAR. IN OUR REPORT, WE HAD A SEPARATE SOLAR STUDY, WHICH I THINK Y'ALL HAVE A COPY OF, THAT ALSO -- AND I THINK IT CLEARLY DEPICTS THE WINTER SOLSTICE, THE SUMMER SOLSTICE, ALL THE TIMES OF THE YEAR WHEN THE SUN'S THE HIGHEST IN THE SKY AND THE LOWESTN THE SKY AND IT SHOWS THE EFFECTS OF THAT EIGHT-STORY BUILDING. WE ORIGINALLY HAD THAT FIVE-STORY MOB AND NOW IT'S DOWN TO A TWO-STORY MOB. IN THAT LOCATION THERE'S NOT ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO MITIGATE THE SUN WITH THE EIGHT-STORY TOWER. >> Tong: OKAY. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: SO LET'S -- >> [OFF MIC] >> Chair Downs: HANG ON. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO COMMISSIONER RATLIFF NEXT. THAT'S FINE. LET'S JUST KIND OF SIMPLIFY THINGS A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF OUR QUESTIONS AND WHATNOT. I DON'T THINK WE CAN REDESIGN THIS PROJECT SITTING AT THE DAIS TONIGHT SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR QUESTIONS, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE ZONING SIDE, THAT'S FINE. BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT'S COME FROM BOTH SIDES AND SOME OF IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE -- WE'RE GOING TO HAVEO ACPT IT AT FACE VS MUCH MORE FOCUSED IN ON THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTROL. SO LET'S JUST KIND OF KEEP IT FOCUSED THERE, TRYING TO RECOMMEND A REDESIGN OF THE PROJECT FROM HERE IS PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE WE DON'T HONESTLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO DESIGNING A HOSPITAL. COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CHAIRMAN. I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE CEO AND I REALLY TRULY HAVE FOUR OTHER ONES AND THEN'M NE. >> Chair Downs: THAT'S FINE, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING -- >> Ratliff: I'M NOT GOING TO REDESIGN IT, AS MUCH AS I'M TEMPTED. I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT. JUST ONE GENERAL QUESTION. I KNOW YOU TALKED A LOT ABOUT YOUR SERVICE TO PLANO AND TO COLLIN COUNTY. I KNOW YOUR SERVICE BOUNDARY IS NOT LIMITED BY INVISIBLE LINES ON THE GROUND. GIVE ME AN IDEA OF REALLY WHAT YOUR SERVICE AREA IS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF A LOT OF YOUR PATIENTS ARE COMING IN BY HELICOPTER, THEY'RE COMING FROM FURTHER AWAY THAN AN AMBULANCE RIDE. HOW FAR AWAY ARE YOUR PATIENTS COMINGROM SPECIFICALLY BY HELICOPTER? >> THE MAJORITY OF OUR PATIENTS, OUR PRIMARY SERVICE AREA, YOU CAN ALMOST DRAW THE BOUNDARIES OF PLANO PROPER, CITY OF PLANO. THEN WE HAVE A SECONDARY SERVICE AREA THAT EXTENDS JUST SOUTH OF FRISCO BUT AROUND THE BOUNDARIES OUT NEAR TO THE McKINNEY. I CAN'T THINK OF THE CROSS STREETS. I'M JUST THINKING OF THE MAP IN MY MIND. WHEN WE COMBINE THEM, IT'S CALLED THE TERTIARY SERVICE AREA. THAT'S WHEN THE PATIENTS HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS. IF A PATIENT IN PARIS HAS AN AILMENT, THEY HAVE A BURN, THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO PLANO. IT'S SERVICE DEPENDENT BUT BY AND LARGE THE VAST MAJORITY ARE IN OUR PRIMARY AND SECONDARY SERVICE AREA. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU. AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR SOMEBODY IN THE E.R. DEPARTMENT. YOU HAVE THREE PADS TODAY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING 140, 150 E.R. VISITS TODAY OF WHICH 45 OR 50 OF THOSE ARE EMS. HOW MANY OF THOSE 45 OR 50 COME IN BY HELICOPTER? >> I'LL DEFER TO DR. MEEK FROM A MEDICAL PERSPECTIVE BUT ON AVERAGE WE DO ABOUT 105 OR 110 HELICOPTERS A MONTH SO IF YOU DID THE MATH ON THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY TWO TO THREE A DAY, A LITTLE MORE PROBABLY -- WELL, YOU CAN'T REALLY DETERMINE WHEN AN EMERGENCY -- MAYBE HOLIDAYS YOU CAN BUT IN GENERAL, CALL IT 105, 110 A MONTH, SO TWO TO THREE A DAY, JUST EMPIRICALLY SPEAKING. >> WE AVERAGE ABOUT 45 TO 50 EMS. AGAIN, 45% ARE PLANO EMS THE MAJORITY FROM OURRS ARE SECONDARY SERVICE LINES AND WE AVERAGE ABOUT THREE HELICOPTERS A DAY. >> Ratliff: I KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T PREDICT EMERGENCIES BUT YOU'VE BEEN THERE LONG ENOUGH THAT YOU PROBABLY KNOW TRENDS. IS THIS A NIGHTTIME, IS THIS A DAYTIME? IS THERE ANY TREND TO WHEN YOU TRADITIONALLY SEE HELICOPTER TRAFFIC? >> THE TREND IS WHENEVER TRAUMA HAPPENS, WHEN STROKES HAPPEN, WHENEVER BAD THINGS HAPPEN, THAT'S WHEN TRANSFERS HAPPEN OR EMS HAPPENS. EACH DAY IS DIFFERENT. TRAFFIC DURING E DAY.MORE EMS WE DO SEE MORE TRUE EMERGENCIES AT NIGHT, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. >> Ratliff: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOUR HELICOPTER EXPERT, YOUR HELIPAD EXPERT. IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND. I DON'T WANT YOU TO RESTATE YOUR RESUMÉ BUT YOU DO THIS A LOT. >> YES. CONCERNS THAT'S BEEN RAISED A COUPLE OF TIMES IS THESE OXYGEN TANKS AND STUFF ON THE GROUND. IS THAT AN UNCOMMON LOCATION? DO YOU SEE THAT ROUTINELY? IS THAOUT OF THE ORDINARY? GIVE US YOUR OPINION ON THE PROXIMITY OF THOSE TANKS TO THE PROPOSED HELIPADS. >> IT'S NOT OUT OF THE ORDINARY AT ALL. THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HELICOPTERS FALLING OFF OF BUILDINGS OR BEING BLOWN OFF OF BUILDINGS. ROOFTOP HELIPADS HAVE TIE-DOWN POINTS. AS I MENTIONED, THESE PILOTS KNOW THE WEATHER, WHEN THEY FLY -- THEY KNOW AN HOUR EARLIER AND AN HOUR LATER IF THERE'S A STORM COMING. IF THEY FLY INTO A ROOFTOP AND IT'S NOT SAFE TO LEAVE, THEY'LL TIE DOWN THE HELICOPTER AND WAIT FOR A STORM TO PASS. OR IF THEY HAVE A MECHANICAL ISSUE, THEY'LL TIE DOWN TO THE HELICOPTER PAD AND LEAVE IT THERE IN A SAFE SET UP. TANKS AT HOSPITALS IN ALL- ASPECTS OF IT. THAT ROOFTOP HELIPAD WILL HAVE A PHONE SYSTEM, IT WILL HAVE A FUEL CONTAINMENT. JUST AS PART OF THE SAFETY THAT'S DICTATED BY CODE AND RECOMMDEDY THE FAA. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU. AND A COUPLE OF FOLLOWUPS FOR YOUR LEAD ARCHITECT. SO ADDRESS THE SAFETY ISSUE OF THE TANKS BUT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROXIMITY OF THE TANKS TO THE NEIGHBORS AS WELL AS THE NOISE OF THE LOADING AND UNLOADING. HAVE Y'ALL EXPLORED OPTIONS FORTHER LOCATIONS OF THOSE TANKS? HAS IT BEEN CONSIDERED? IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE? >> MOVING AIR TANKS, YES, WE EVALUATED THAT. ERIC BROUGHT IT UP DURING OUR MEETINGS AND THE LOCATIONS TO PUT A TANK -- THE FURTHER AWAY YOU GET IT, THE HARDER IT IS. YOU'RE TAKING A TANK DOWN AND IMPEDING THE HOSPITAL SERVICES. YOU KNOW, IT HAS GROWN. THE HOSPITAL HAS GROWN TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION. THE TANKS HAVE STAYED IN THE LOCATIONS THEY'VE STAYED. AND SO WHEN YOU GON AND GO TO A HOSPITAL AND TRY TO MOVE TANKS, IT'S VERY IMPACTFUL TO THE HOSPITAL. AND SO IN OUR OPINION WE DON'T FEEL IT'S NECESSARY TO MOVE THEM BUT IT'S NOT NOT ABLE TO MOVE THEM. THERE'S NOT A GOOD LOCATION TO MOVE THEM. YOU CAN'T PUT THEM RIGHT WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN FOR TRAFFIC, SO IT'S KIND OF ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING. WHEN THE TANKS ARE BEING FILLED, IT'S BEING BLOED B THE TANKER THAT'S COMING IN SO IT'S OUT OF THE PATH AND SO, I MEAN, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT. IT'S VERY IMPACTFUL TO MOVE TANKS. >> Ratliff: SO YOU HAVE STUDIED IT? >> YES. >> Ratliff: AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE ALREADY TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR EIGHT STORIES. WERE THEY DESIGNED FOR EIGHT STORIES OR DESIGNED FOR ANYTHING TALLER THAN EIGHT STORIES? >> THEY WERE ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR EIGHT STORIES. WHENE WENT IN FOR THE ZONING IN 2018, I GUESS, WE WERE ALREADY UNDER THE DESIGN. WE WERE ALREADY DOING DESIGN ON THE PROPERTY SO WHEN THE BUILDING GOT LOWERED TO THE FOUR STORIES, WE ALREADY HAD STRUCTURAL, WE ALREADY HAD EVERYTHING ELSE. AFTER IT WAS PUSHED THROUGH, SHORTLY AFTER WE ISSUED DOCUMENTS. RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE DOCUMENTS ISSUED FOR AN EIGHT-STORY EXPANSION. WE'RE NOT PLANNING THAT UNTIL EVERYTHING IS APPROVED. THERE'S ONLY ONE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE GOING ON THAT WE ARE WAITING FOR THIS TO FINISH AND IT'S A ONE-STORY EXPANSION IN THE MIDDLE OF -- RIGHT BY WHERE THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS. BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE ON THE DOCKET SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S ALREADY PREPLANNED. WHEN WE DID THE LAST ZONING CASE WE ALREADY HAD THE DESIGN DOCUMENTS DONE SO IT WAS CHEAPER TO KEEP IT. >> Ratliff: BUT TO BE CLEAR, IT WAS DESIGNED FOR AN EIGHT-STORY STRUCTURE, NOTHING HIGHER? >> YOU CANNOT GO HIGHER . >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: A COUPLE OF COMMENTS AND A COUPLE OF, I THINK, SIMPLE QUESTIONS. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, PIGGYBACKING ON COMMISSIONER RATLIFF IS THERE HAVE BEEN& COMMENTS ABOUT THESE TANKS. HOW DANGEROUS ARE THOSE TANKS TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD? WHAT MIGHT GO WRONG? THE CITIZENS HAVE NOT ONLY EXPRESSED NOISE CONCERNS BUT THEY HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THEM BEING THERE. LET'S TAKE THE FALLING HELICOPTERS OFF THE TABLE BECAUSE THAT'S PROBABLY UNLIKELY. HOW DANGEROUS ARE THOSE? I DRI BY THEM, THEY DON'T SEEM VERY WELL SECURED TO ME IF THERE'S IN FACT DANGEROUS MATERIALS THERE. >> SO THOSE TANKS ARE MONITORED ON AN ONGOING BASIS. THEY'RE REFILLED AT A REGULAR INTERVAL BY THE VENDOR THAT WE HAVE COME AND REFILL THEM BUT THEY ARE MONITORED BY OUR FACILITIES TEAM. THEY ARE UNDER A LOCKED GATE. THERE'S ONLY SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE TANKS. AS FAR AS POTENTIAL DISASTERS, I CAN'T SPEAK OF ANY KNOWLEDGE OF FREAK ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED WITH TANKS OF THAT NATURE BUT I HAVE NOT DONE FORMAL RESEARCH ON THAT AS WELL. >> Cary: I UNDERSTAND WHY THE CITIZENS, SINCE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT RISKS THEY POSE, I GET THAT. THIS NEXT QUESTION IS SIMPLE. DO YOU HAVE WALLS THAT ARE FALLING DOWN? WHY ARE THEY NOT FIXED? THE MASONRY WALLS. THEY'RE FALLING DOWN. THEY'RE A TREMENDOUS HAZARD. I HAVE CONCERNS FOR CHILDREN GETTING HURT OVER THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY HAVE BEEN THAT WAY BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S NEGLIGENT TO ME. >> ONE OF THE PIECES WE HAVE PENDING IN THIS PROPOSAL IS REPLACING THAT WALL WITH A TALLER WALL TO INCREASE PRIVACY. GIVEN THAT WE WERE IN THE THROES OF THIS, WE WANTED TO SEE IF WE COULD GET THIS APPROVED AND EXECUTE GETTING THE ENTIRE FENCE REPLACED AND NOT EVEN DOING THE MASONRY WALL, DOING SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAT DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH OF A RISK OF DETERIORATION OVER TIME. >> Cary: WE HAVE HEARD FROM SOME OTHE IGHBORS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN THAT WAY FOR A WHILE AND IT LOOKS LIKE THEIR CONCERNS AREN'T BEING ADDRESSED, FRANKLY, I COULD SEE WHY THEY WOULD FEEL THAT WAY. >> I WOULD BE HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THAT AS WELL. >> Cary: YOU GUYS RUN A HOSPITAL, IT WOULD BE HORRIBLE IF YOU GOT PATIENTS BECAUSE YOUR WALL FELL ON SOMEONE. >> WE DON'T WANT PATIENTS THAT WAY. >> Cary: NO, YOU DON'T WANT PATIENTS THAT WAY. THIS IS ONE OF THE MORE CHALLENGING THINGS WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH BECAUSE I THINK THEY SEE THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO. THE FLIP SIDE IS IT'S EASY TO UNDERSTAND THE CITIZENS' POINT OF VIEW ON THIS, EECIALLY WITH THIS SIZE BUILDING SO I THINK IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING THING FOR ALL OF US. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO SAY IS THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF COMMENTS MADE THAT ARE BOTHERSOME TO ME BECAUSE THEY ARE DISMISSIVE OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. HEY, THEY CAN PUT UP WITH IT BECAUSE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. I JUST WANT TO STATE THAT BOTHERS ME AS A CITIZEN, NOT THAT YOUR TEAM NECESSARILY DID THAT BUT THAT'S NOT HOW I'M LOOKING AT THIS. I TH THINK IT'S A VERY CHALLENGING THING. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS AND POINTS. OH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, I'M SORRY. 110 HELICOPTERS A MONTH. HOW MANY ARE GOING TO BE IN THE FUTURE WITH THIS IMPROVED BUILDING? WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT HELICOPTER TRAFFIC TO BE ONCE THIS IS DONE? >> WE DON'T NECESSARILY PROJECT HELICOPTER VOLUME OVER TIME BUT I WOULD IMAGINE IT WOULD INCREASE, LIKELY WITH THE POPULATION GROWTH WE'RE SEEING. BUT IT ALSO DEPENDS ON HOW REGIONALLY WE'RE GETTING THOSE PATIENTS IN VERSUS TRANSPORTING THEM LOCALLY. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL HELISTOPS TO THE CAMPUS. THAT AVERAGE OF A HANDFUL PER DAY, IT'S VERY RARE THAT WE WOULD HAVE MULTIPLE HELICOPTERS COMING AND LANDING AT THE SAME TIME. >> Cary: I APOLOGIZE. I DID HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE HOSPITAL THAT'S ALREADY VERY BUSY WHERE YOU GUYS ARE STRUGGLING, AS YOU START TO DO THIS CONSTRUCTION? IT'S ONE OTHER QUESTION AND CONCERN I HAVE FOR THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A HECK OF A DISRUPTION FOR THOSE PEOPLE FOR SOME TIME. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR YOU. ONE IS HOW LONG DO YOU ANTICIPATE THIS CONSTRUCTION TO LAST ON THIS EIGHT-STORY BUILDING IF IN FACT THIS IS APPROVED. AND WHAT KIND OF DISRUPTION IS IT GOING TO MAKE TO YOUR HOSPITAL? I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THOSE TWO THINGS. >> SO THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TOOK TO BUILD THE FIRST TOWER, THE FOUR-STORY TOWER WAS 16 MONTHS. IT MIGHT HAVE GONE TO 17 MONTHS. SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO BUILD FOUNDATIONS THIS TIME. WE'RE NOT DIGGING DOWN ON ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BECAUSE OF A LOT OF THE PREFAB ELEMENTS THAT MEDICAL CITY PLANO DOES, THEY DO A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION OFF SITE TO MITIGATE A LOT OF THE CONSTRUCTION ON SITE. SO THE WALLS ARE SWUNG IN AND THE BUILDING IS DRIED IN A LOT FASTER THAN THE NORMAL CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. AND SO I KNOW THAT HOSPITAL IS VERY DEDICATED TO TRY TO NOT HAVE AS MUCH NOISE IMPACT AND EVERYTHING BUT ALSO TO GET THE BUILDING DRIED IN AS FAST AS POSSIBLE SO THE WORK WITH CONTINUE ON INSIDE AND AS WELL AS THE ITEMS INSIDE ARE PREFABRICATED AS WELL. THAT MEANS IT'S DONE OFF SITE, NOT ON SITE ON THE PROPERTY. ANDD ELEVATED UP. >> Cary: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHAT WERE YOU GOING TO SAY? >> ONE THING I WAS GOING TO SAY TOO IS WE DID RECEIVE SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS ABOUT SOME NEGATIVE IMPACTS WITH THE CONSTRUCTION THAT MOST RECENTLY HAPPENED WITH THE C TOWER INITIAL BUILDOUT. I THINK SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES WE IDENTIFIED THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO CORRECT MOVING FORWARD IS ENSURING THAT WE'RE MORE TIGHTLY MANAGING THE TRAFFIC OF MATERIALS THAT ARE COMING TO CAMPUS, HAVING BETTER CONTROLS AROUND ROUNDING OUT THE EXTERIOR AND ENSURING THEY ARE NOT STARTING CONSTRUCTION BEFORE THE SET TIME-FRAME THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO START. AND ALSO PROVIDING A CLEAR LINE OF COMMUNICATION TO OUR RESIDENTS ON OUR FACILITIES DIRECTOR'S CELL PHONE, MY CELL PHONE, WHOEVER THEY NEED TO GET IN TOUCH WITH TO SHARE CONCERNS SO WE CAN GET THAT CORRECTED REALTIME. WE COULD HAVE MANAGED THAT MORE PROACTIVELY THE FIRST GOAROUND AND THIS TIME WE HAVE LEARNED WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE CAN IMPROVE. >> Cary: YOU GUYS ARE CLEARLY DEDICATED TO EXCELLENCE. ONE MORE COMMENT -- THIS IS A COMMENT. IF THIS IS APPROVED, YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT THERE'S A ZONE WHERE YOU'LL ONLY HAVE TWO-STORY BUILDINGS AND THERE SEEMS TO BE CONFUSION OVER WHAT WAS ACTUALLY AGREED TO LAST TIME, FOUR STORY, EIGHT STORY AND I WOULD JUST SUGGEST IF THIS DOES MOVE FORWARD THAT THAT IS CRYSTAL CLEAR IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN BE DONE IN THE FUTURE SO THAT WE'RE NOT BACK HERE GOING WE DIDN'T SAY THAT OR IT WASN'T INTENDED. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT HAPPENED LAST TIME. A LOT OF US WEREN'T HERE. I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER STONE. >> Stone: FIRST OF ALL, A QUICK COMMENT, JANUARY OF LAST YEARHANK YOU STAFF AND DOCTORS. YOU RESCUED MY DAUGHTER FROM THE BRINK OF THE CLIFF AFTER A FOUR-DAY TYPE 1 DIABETIC COMA. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS FOR THE ARCHITECT, IF I COULD. I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 10 OF 19 OF YOUR EXHIBIT WHERE WE HAVE THE EXISTING EIGHT-STORY SETBACK LINE SHOWN AND THE PROPOSED EIGHT-STORY SETBACK LINE AND THE EXISTING ZONING BOUNDARY LINE AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE EXISTING FOUR-STORY BUILDING THAT YOU'VE GOT THERE ACTUALLY ENCROACHES OVER THE BUILDING LINE THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING. IS THAT A DRAFTING ERROR OR IN FACT IS YOUR BUILDING OVER THE LINE? >> CAN SOMEONE PUT THAT ON THE SCREEN? >> Stone: PAGE 10 OF 19. IT'S PAGE 73 OF THE PACKET. >> MS. FALLETTA, I THINK IT'S THE SETBACK. >> IF IT'S THE SETBACK LINE THAT WE SHOW, WE'RE SAYING THERE'S A STIPULATION IN THE PLAN THAT STATES THAT THE EIGHT-STORY BUILDING IS THE ONLY BUILDING THAT'S ALLOWED TO BE EIGHT STORIES. >> THERE'S A SHORTER PORTION OF THE BUILDING, IT'S 22 FEET TALL THAT IS 60 FEET AWAY AND THE REMAINDER OF THE BUILDING IS 80 FEET AWAY SO THERE'S A DIFFERENTIAL THERE. >> RIGHT. >> Stone: WELL, I JUST URGE SOMEONE TO CHECK IT TO BE SURE THAT WE HAVEN'T BUILT THE EXISTING FOUR-STORY BUILDING OVER THE LINE. >> WE DID NOT, FROM WHAT WAS AGREED LAST TIME. >> Stone: SO IT'S A DRAFTING ISSUE? OKAY. >> THE APPLICANT PROVIDED US AN UPDATED PLAN WITH THIS ZONING CASE. IT DOES MEET -- THE CURRENT BUILDING DOES MEET THE ZONING >>tone JT AN OBSERVATION, YES, THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. AND WITHOUT GETTING INTO REDESIGN, MR. CHAIRMAN, MADAME ARCHITECT, I'VE KNOWN MARK THOMAS FOR 25 YEARS. HE'S A HIGHLY-SKILLED AND DEDICATED ARCHITECT. HE SPENT A LOT OF TIME PUTTING TOGETHER THE INFORMATION THAT HE PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT. I THINK YOU GUYS GLOSSED OVER IT IN ABOUT 15 SECONDS. I WOULD ASK YOU TO TAKE A MOMENT AND LOOK AT WHAT HE'S DEVELOPED AND SEE IF THERE ISN'T A WAY TO FIND A WAY TO DO THIS WORK IN BUILDING 8, AS HE SUGGESTS, RATHER THAN BUILDING 3. >> WE HAVE EVALUATED THAT LOCATION BEFORE MR. THOMAS HAS GOTTEN INVOLVED. THERE'S A BIG IMPACT TO THE EMERGENCY SERVICES IN THAT LOCATION. AND SO IT WAS ELIMINATED FROM THE OPTIONS BECAUSE OF THE PACT FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES. >> Stone: AS LONG AS YOU GAVE IT YOUR ATTENTION. >> YES. WE LOOKED AT THAT WAY BEFORE WE EVEN SUBMITTED THIS PROJECT. >> Stone: OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: CAN I SPEAK TO MR. DAHLSTROM? HI. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. SO I WATCHED BOTH VIDEOS FOR FEBRUARY 19, 2018 AS WELL AS MARCH 5, 2018. DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES YOU ASSURED THE COMMITTEE THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE A FOUR-STORY AND NOT AN EIGHT-STORY BUILDING? >> I DON'T RECALL HOW MANY TIMES I SAID THAT BUT I DO RECALL I SAID WE'RE AGREEABLE TO GO FROM AN EIGHT STORY TO FFOUR STORY. >> Bronsky: YOU DID, TEN TIMES. AT ONE POINT IN THE FEBRUARY 19th VIDEO YOU MADE THE COMMENT, QUOTE, WE'VE AGREED TO LIMIT TO FOUR STORIES, NOT EIGHT. THEERE YOUR WORDS.. >> I LISTENED TO THE TAPES. I AGREE. I SAID WE WOULD LIMIT IT TO FOUR STORIES. I ALSO SAID IN THAT SAME PRESENTATION, THOUGH, WE WOULD TAKE THAT UP FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. I TOOK SOME NOTES. >> Chair Downs: LET'S FOCUS ON WHAT'S BEING ASKED TODAY. >> Bronsky: I STRUGGLE WITH THE COMMITMENT TO KEEP EVERYTHING ELSE AT TWO STORIES WHEN WE HAD AN AGREEMENT FOUR YEARS AGO AS A CITY TO KEEP EVERYTHING AT FOUR STORIES. I WORRY THAT THIS GROWTH TO THE EIGHT STORY INFRINGES ON THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE AS A CITY. WHEN WE BUILT THE FOUR-STORY BUILDING, WE COMPROMISED ON THE SETBACK AT THAT TIME, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT, YES. >> Bronsky: AND SO NOW, RATHER THAN THE REQUIRED SETBACK FOR AN EIGHT-STORY BUILDING, WHICH I THINK WAS 249 FEET, IS THAT RIGHT? 259. INSTEAD OF 259, WE GET 80. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE SOME OF THE CITIZENS HAVE A CONCERN FOR THAT? >> I DO UNDERSTAND, YES, SIR. I DO ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN. THIS IS A RESULT OF WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS LOCALLY, NATIONALLY, INTERNATIONALLY. INTERNATIONALLY WE'VE HAD THE PANDEMIC OBVIOUSLY. WE'VE HAD TREMENDOUS STRAIN ON THE HOSPITAL AS A RESULT OF THAT. BUT THE'S BEEN TREMENDOUS GROWTH IN THE COUNTY. AND THAT'S PUT A TREMENDOUS BURDEN ON THE HOSPITAL. GIVEN THE LAYOUT OF THE HOSPITAL, WE NEED THOSE FOUR STORIES NOW. >> Bronsky: SO YOUR CHIEF -- MS. MATHIS MADE THE COMMENT THAT YOU WERE PLANNIG 10 TO 15 YEARS AHEAD, OR 10 TO 20 YEARS AHEAD WAS ONE OF THE SLIDES. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Bronsky: I STRUGGLE WITH THIS IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ALTHOUGH I HR HOSPITAL. IN 2016 I SUFFERED A MILD STROKE AND THE STAFF TOOK GREAT CARE OF ME. MOST RECENTLY MY DAUGHTER WAS IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME WAITING. SO I PERSONALLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE HOSPITAL GROWING. BUT I FEEL LIKE YOU ARE MITIGATING OPPORTUNITIES AND COMING TO BITE AT THE APPLE A SECOND TIME AND THEN MAKING MORE COMMITMENTS THAT WE WON'T DO IT NEXT TIME. SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. MICROPHONE. >> [OFF MIC] >> Chair Downs: OF COURSE. >> Olley: THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER, EM DASHBOARD DESIGNATION FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE ALLOWS 20 STORIES BUT THAT WOULD BE, WITH THE 259 FEET SETBACK REQUIREMENT? >> IT DOES SAY 20 STORIES IS THE MAXIMUM. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PLAN ALSO SAYS THAT NOT EVERY PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE úELIGIBLR THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT. THAT'S TO ACCOUNT FOR THINGS LIKE SETBACKS AND ADJACENCY CONSIDERATIONS. >> Olley: THANK YOU. THE QUESTION IS TO THE HELIPAD PROFESSIONAL. THE FLIGHT PATH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE COMPLAINED THAT THE FLIGHT PATH IS BASICALLY COMING RIGHT OVER THEIR HEADS. IS THAT INFLUENCED BY THE CURRENT LOCATIO OTHE HELIPAD AND WOULD RAISING THIS FOUR FLOORS UP, WOULD THAT ELIMINATE THE NEED TO COME ABOVE THE HEAD OF THE RESIDENTIAL ZONES? >> THE FLIGHT PATH IS CURRENTLY -- WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WOULD BE ON THE ROOFTOP. BUT YOU HAVE MORE OPTIONS AS YOU GO HIGHER BECAUSE YOU HAVE LESS OBSTRUCTIONS AS YOU GO UP THERE. IN ADDITION, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE HOSPITAL HAS COMMITTED AND IS CURRENTLY LOOKING AT WHAT THEY CALL AN INSTRUMENT APPROACH PATH. SO TYPICALLY HELICOPTERS FLY UNDER VISUAL FLIGHT RULES. AN INSTRUMENT APPROACH PATH GIVES THE PILOT A POINT IN SPACE, HIGHWAY, IF YOU WILL, INTO AND OUT OF THOSE LOCATIONS. SO WE DON'T DO THOSE TYPE OF APPROACHES BUT I WORK WITH PEOPLE WHO DO AND I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT THEY CAN PUT AN INSTRUMENT APPROACH PATH IN PLACE THAT IS THE LEAST OBSTRUCTIVE TO THE COMMUNITY AROUND THIS AREA. >> Olley: THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT A REGULAR AIRPLANE GETS GUIDED INTO THE AIRPORT. >> CORRECT. >> Olley: SECOND QUESTION. I FEEL LIKE I'VE LEARNED ABOUT HELICOPTERS AND HELIPADS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. ARE THERE ANY, FROM A BUILDING MATERIAL PERSPECTIVE FOR BUILDING A HELIPAD, ANY MATERIALS THAT CAN FURTHER MITIGATE IS SOUND OR NOISE GENERATION OF THE LANDING AND TAKEOFF OF THE HELICOPTER? >> NOT NECESSARILY. THE TWO TYPICAL TYPES OF ROOFTOP PADS ARE EITHER CONCRETE OR ALUMINUM AND WHAT YOU DO IS YOU ELEVATE THEM OFF THE ROOF. YOU TRY TO KEEP THEM INSIDE THE ENVELOPE OF THE BUILDING SO THAT MAXIMUM LIFT -- IT'S ALL BASED AROUND THE SAFETY ASPECTS OF IT -- BUT THERE'S NOTHING NECESSARILY THAT'S GOING TO BE A NOISE MITIGATER THERE. >> Olley: THE NOISE ANALYSIS, THE RESIDENTIAL BUFFER BUILT INTO THE TWO OR THREE-STORY BUILDINGS, WHAT HAVE YOU, [INDISCERNIBLE] WAS THAT ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE NOISE ANALYSIS OR THAT 95 DB THAT YOU ARE SHOWING IS RAISED UP, IS THAT WITH THE IMPACT OF THE BUFFER OR NO? I SEE HEADS SHAKING NO. >> WE DON'T DO THE NOISE. SORRY. >> JUST SO I'M UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION AGAIN, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? >> Olley: YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A RESIDTIAL BUFR WITH THE TWO-STORY BUILDING, WHICH SHOULD HAVE SOME NOISE ABSORBING CAPABILITY. WHEN SOUND WAVES HIT AN OBJECT, IT DISPERSES IT SOMEHOW. WAS THAT ACCOUNTED FOR IN YOUR NOISE STUDY? >> NO, THE SECOND MEASUREMENT WE TOOK TO SIMULATE US AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE HELICOPTER 120 FEET, YOU KNOW, COMING UP OFF THE ROOF, THERE WAS NOTHING IN BETWEEN US TO MITIGATE THAT SOUND. >> Olley: OKAY. ONE COMMENT -- >> CAN I SPEAK TO THAT? >> Olley: YES, MA'AM. >> THAT AGREEMENT WAS DONE WAY AFTER THAT SOUND STUDY WAS DONE. NOTHING WAS IN THERE TO MITIGATE SOUND ON THE GROUND. THE ONE THING THAT'S NOT IN THE SOUND STUDY, BECAUSE IT'S HARDER TO DO, IS THE BUILDING IS GOING TO DEFLECT -- WHEN HOPES ARE COMING DOWN THE BUILDING WILL DEFLECT UP, IT'S NOT GOING TO DEFLECT OUT BECAUSE IT'S NOT HITTING STUFF OUT BECAUSE IT WILL DEFLECT DOWN AND BOUNCE BACK UP . >> Oll: JUST ONE COMMENT ON THE CONCERN I'VE HEARD ABOUT THE FOUNDATION BEING FOR AN EIGHT-STORY BUILDING AND WHEN THEY PUT A FOUR-STORY BUILDING. HAVING RUN LARGE CAPITAL BUDGETS IN MY CAREER, WHEN YOU BREAK UPON GROUND, YOU PUT IN THERE WHICH THE MAXIMUM YOU CAN PUT IN THERE FOR THE EXPANSION OF YOUR COMPANY, OF YOUR MANUFACTURING FACILITY OR WHAT HAVE YOU. YOU MAY NER USE IT BUT IT'S LESS COST-EFFECTIVE TO GO NOW AND REOPEN THE GROUND AND TRY AND PUT IN SOMETHING TO ACCOMMODATE YOUR EXPANSION. SO COMMUNICATION-WISE PROBABLY COULD HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATED A LITTLE BIT BETTER BUT I DON'T FIND IT DUPLICITOUS. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. MR. SIMS. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU. YOU GUYS ARE OUT OF THE FRYING PAN OR NOT INTO THE FIRE BUT OFF THE YAHTZEE. >> IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY. >> Chair Downs: YOU GUYS ARE LEVEL ONE, LEVEL ONE, LEVEL ONE, LEVEL ONE, LEVEL ONE. THIS EXPANSION, HOW DOES IT CHANGE THE LEVEL OF CARE THAT A CITIZEN OF PLANO COULD EXPECT TO RECEIVE BEYOND JUST BEING ABLE TO RECEIVE IT TWO MINUTES FASTER? >> FIRST OFF, THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION, CHAIR. I THINK IT ACTUALLY IMPROVES THE LEVEL OF CARE. THE QUICKER WE CAN GET YOU OUT OF THE EMERGENCY ROOM INTO A BED AND/OR INTO THE NEXT LEVEL OF CARE THAT WE NEED IN THE HOSPITAL, TIME IS TISSUE -- I'M NOT A MEDICAL DOCTOR, THAT'S WHY I DEFER TO MY COLLEAGUES WHO ARE MEDICAL DOCTORS. BUT THE QUICKER WE CAN GET YOU TO A BED IN A SECURE ENVIRONMENT THAT IS SAFE AND EFFECTIVE FOR YOU, IT IMPROVES THE QUALITY OF CARE FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS. OUR NUMBER ONE OBJECTIVE IS TO DECOMPRESS OUR EMERGENCY ROOM, GET PATIENTS INTO AN INPATIENT STATUS AND BE ABLE TO CARE FOR THE NEXT AMBULANCE, THE NEXT HELICOPTER OR NEXT PATIENT THAT WALKS INTO OUR EMERGENCY ROOM. TO THAT, I THINK IT'S THE ULTIMATE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FROM A HEALTH OUTCOME STANDPOINT AS WELL. IT JUST KEEPS US ON THAT JOURNEY IN TERMS OF GROWING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND MAKING SURE IT'S COST-EFFECTIVE AND READILY ACCESSIBLE TO INCLUDE EVERYONE IN THIS GALLERY TODAY. >> Chair Downs: DOES INCREASING THE SPEED AT WHICH SOMEONE RECEIVES CARE CHANGE YOUR PROCESSES IN THE CARE FOR EVERYONE JUST BEYOND THOSE THAT COME IN BY HELICOPTER? >> YES, IT DOES. BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE QUICKER WE CAN IMPROVE -- I'M USING QUICK BUT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT QUICK AND EFFECTIVE ARE KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND. WITH OUR PROCESSES, OUR TREATMENT PROTOCOLS, JUST BECAUSE WE'RE GOING AT A MORE EXPEDITED RATE DOES NOT COMPROMISE THE QUALITY OR EFFECTIVENESS OFT. THE QUICKER WE CAN FREE UP THE RESOURCES OF OUR NURSES IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM AND OUR TECHNICIANS AND DOCTORS TO SEE THE NEXT PATIENT IN AN EXPEDITIOUS FASHION, IT WILL IMPROVE THE OVERALL HEALTH OF EVERYONE ULTIMATELY INVOLVED. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> AND ONE LAST CORRELATETOR I WOULD MENTION, ON AVERAGE WE'RE DOING ANYWHERE FROM 40 TO 45 SURGICAL PROCEDURES A DAY. WHENEVER WE HAVE PATIENTS BACKING UP IN THE E.R., WE DON'T HAVE A BED, IT ALSO APPLIES TO THE PATIENT WHO COMES ON AN OUTPATIENT BASIS AND FOR A SURGICAL PROCEDURE. THIS THROUGHPUT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS, WE WORK ON EACH DAY BUT WE'RE AT A PHYSICAL DETRIMENT FROM A CAPACITY STANDPOINT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I'LL GIVE YOU MY THOUGHTS ON THIS. I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH OUR QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RUN A HOSPITAL. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESIGN ONE. I DON'T KNOW HOW HELICOPTERS ARE SUPPOSED TO OPERATE, WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO LAND ON OR ANYTHING ELSE. I KNOW THAT WE'RE SUPPOSEDTO SIT HERE AND GO HOW DO WE MAKE A DECISION THAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY? WE'RE ASKED TO DO THAT ALL THE TIME. MORE AND MORE FREQUENTLY MAKING THAT DECISION MEANS THAT WE'RE MAKING A DECISION THAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL BUT IN -- NOT NECESSARILY THE BEST INTEREST OF A FEW. THAT'S A TOUGH DECISION TO MAKE. IT'S A TOUGH POSITION TO BE IN BUT WE WERE APPOINTED TO SIT HERE BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF DECISIONS. I'M NOT GOING TO SOND GUESS THE ARCHITECT'S DESIGN BECAUSE I'M QUITE CERTAIN THEY DIDN'T GET TO BE AN ARCHITECT THAT DESIGNS A MEDICAL CITY OF PLANO FACILITY BY BEING THE CHEAPEST BIDDER OR THE ONE WITH THE LEAST EXPERIENCE OR ANYTHING ELSE. MEDICAL CITY PLANO HAS BEEN A PARTNER IN THE CITY FOR A LONG TIME. I'VE HAD A FAMILY MEMBER FLOWN IN BY HELICOPTER TO MEDICAL CITY OF PLANO. BOTH MY KIDS WERE BORN THERE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, ONE OF THEM WAS BORN DURING A VERY NASTE EXPANDING THE EXISTING BUILDING UP AND IT WAS LEAKING LIKE A SIEVE -- THE DOCTOR WAS MOPPING THE FLOOR OUTSIDE MY WIFE'S ROOM. SO IT'S BEEN EXPANDING FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN AROUND. WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE MEDICAL FACILITY HERE AND I THINK IT'S A LITTLE DISINGENUOUS TO QUESTION THEIR MOTIVES, RESEARCH, THEIR EXPERTISE, THEIR DESIRE TO CONTINUE TO BE ONE OF THE BEST FACILITIES IN THE ENTIRE REGION. IT'S TOUGH. AN EIGHT-STORY BUILDING RIGHT OUTSIDE THAT APARTMENT BUILDING. THAT WOULD BE NOT FUN TO LOOK AT BUT I'VE BEEN AROUND OTHER HOSPITAL COMPLEXES WHERE THERE ARE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO EIGHT STORY, TEN STORY, 12 STORY BUILDINGS. A LOT OF THEM SAY THEY'RE GLAD IT'S THERE BECAUSE THEY CAN WALK ACROSS THE STREET IF THEY GET SICK. MY IMPRESSION I'M GETTING TONIGHT, IS THIS A PERFECT CASE? IS IT AN IMPORTANT ONE FOR THE CITIZENS OF PLANO? YES. AND I THINK THE CORRECT DECISION TO MAKE HERE IS TO APPROVE IT. IT'S STILLOT TO GET BEFORE COUNCIL AND THEY HAVE TO MAKE THEIR CASE THERE AS WELL BUT FROM A ZONING CASE, I THINK IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS THAT WE APPROVE THIS. AND THAT WOULD BE MY MOTION TO APPROVE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE WE GET THERE. DO WE GET A CHANCE TO TALK BEFORE YOUR MOTION? >> Chair Downs: I'VE MADE THE MOTION. WE CAN GET A SECOND. >> POINT OF ORDER. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. >> Chair Downs: YOU CAN SPEAK. YOU CAN SPEAK EVEN AFTER A SECOND. THAT'S ASSUMING I GET A SECOND. >> WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WAS GOING TO GIVE YOU A SECOND BUT I WOULD LIKEO ADDRESS THIS POINT OF ORDER BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. >> Chair Downs: THAT'S QUITE FINE. ARE YOU SECONDING MY MOTION? >> I'M SECONDING YOUR MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Chair Downs: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SINCE YOU WERE SECONDING IT, I'LL LET YOU GO AHEAD WITH YOUR COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL TURN TO MR. CARY. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE PARTICIPATING. WE HAVE A COMPLEX CASE HERE. WE HAVE TO WEIGH THE NEEDS OF A FEW VERSUS THE NEEDS OF NOT JUST THE CITY OF PLANO, AS MR. SIMS TOLD U TY GO ALL THE WAY TO McKINNEY AND THEY'RE EXPANDING. WE'RE GOING TO GET ANOTHER HALF A MILLION PEOPLE MOVING TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE YOU KNOW IT IN COLLIN COUNTY. SO I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR TRAUMA ONE RECORDS THAT WE HAVE HERE, WE'RE -- THE CITIZENS OF PLANO ARE SERVED WELL, INCLUDING THE ONES IN THE APARTMENTS AND THOSE THAT LIVE IN THOSE NICE LITTLE HOMES, THOSE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN THE NEAR PROXIMITY. IT IS NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE CWITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON SEVERAL POINTS BUT THAT'S THE BEAUTY ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S A GUIDELINE. IT ALLOWS US TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO, AGAIN, MY OPINION, IS IT PERFECT? NO. WILL IT HELP US FILL AN IMMEDIATE NEED? YES, IT WILL. SO, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY I SECOND YOUR MOTION AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER >> Cary: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THIS IS A VERY CHALLENGING DECISION AND THERE'S THINGS ON BOTH SIDES THAT ARE COMPELLING. CERTAINLY THE EXPANSION OF THIS AND THE IMPROVEMENT IN HEALTHCARE FOR PEOPLE, NOT JUST IN PLANO BUT AROUND IS IMPORTANT. AT THE SAME TIME I HAVE A LOT OF EMPATHY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE PRETTY BADLY AFFECTED BY THIS. I DON'T THINK WE CAN MINIMIZE THAT. AGAIN, I HAVE TO SAY, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS THAT DID AND DIDN'T RESONATE WITH ME WELL FRANKLY. SO WITH THAT SAID, THIS IS AN IMPOSSIBLE DECISION AND I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. I'M DOING IT TO PUSH THIS TO OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AT CITY COUNCIL AND ULTIMATELY BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO TURN THIS DOWN. I WANT TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO DO WHAT THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO AND SO FOR THAT REASON I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S BEEN COMPELLING REASONS ON ALL SIDES AND IT'S MY OPINION THAT'S WHERE THIS NEEDS TO ULTIMATELY LIE, MAYBE NOT IN THIS COMMISSION. I DON'T WANT TO APPEAR THAT WE'RE SHIRKING OR I'M SHIRKING HERE, I JUST THINK THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT DECISION AND SO MTIFATED THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE ELECTED BY THE CITIZENS OF PLANO GET A CHANCE TO SEE THIS. THAT'S MY TWO CENTS. >> Chair Downs: I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT. LET ME ASK A QUESTION AND IT MAY CAUSE ME TO MODIFY MY MOTION SLIGHTLY. YOU HAD CONCERN AND OTHERS HAD EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THESE TWO-STORY BUILDING COMMITMENTS. I'M NOT SURE HOW WE WOULD MAKE THAT INTO A MOTION SINCE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF THE PD LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW BUT IN TERMS OF RESTRICTING THAT AND MAKING IT A PART OF THE PD, ALTHOUGH OF COURSE IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY COULDN'T COME BACK AND ASK FOR A MODIFICATION DOWN THE ROAD. WE'LL LEAVE THE MOTION AS IT SITS TO APPROVE AS APPLIED. COMMISSIONER STONE, YOU WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT? >> Stone: YES, JUST A FINAL COMMENT. WE'RE IN A TOUGH SPOT HERE TONIGHT AND WE'RE BEING ASKED TO VALUE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE NEIGHBORS AGAINST THE PRESERVATION OF LIFE FOR THE HOSPITAL. >> Chair Downs: WELL SAID. >> Stone: AND THAT'S A TOUGH SPOT TO BE. >> Chair Downs: YES, IT IS. >> Stone: MR. BELL USED THE WORD A WHILE AGO "APPROPRIATENESS." WHAT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THE DIRT? THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS BODY IS CALLED ON EACH WEEK TO TALK ABOUT. WE DEAL WITH THE DIRT. WHAT'S THE DIRT BEING USED FOR AND IS IT APPROPRIATE? I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CARY. I DON'T THINK AN EIGHT-STORY BUILDING IS AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THE DIRT AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION BUT I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO DEAL WITH IT. SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ECHO THE COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER CARY AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER STONE. I ALSO HAVE HAD SOME SIGNIFICANT BACK AND FORTH WITH THIS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT THEY'RE DELIVERING BUT I ALSO SPENT 18 MONTHS WORKING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF ALL THAT WE'RE PUTTING FORWARD THERE AND I AGREE WITH BOTH OF THEM THAT I AM GOING TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS HANDLE THIS BUT, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH FINDING SOME WAY TO MAKE A STIPULATION ON THE RECORD TO THE COMMITMENT THAT THEY HAVE ALL MADE TO KEEPING THAT TWO-STORY LIMIT BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR. WE WEREN'T CLEAR FOUR YEARS AGO. WE NEED TO BE MORE CLEAR THIS TIME THAT SOMETHING DOESN'T COME BACK IN FOUR MORE YEARS. OH, WELL, WE DIDN'T REALLY SAY THAT. THAT SAID, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: I ACTUALLY THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THE LAND. I AGREE THAT, YES, THE ELEED OFFICIALS SHOULD HAVE THE FINAL SAY BUT I ALSO THINK AS A BODY WE ARE CALLED TO STRUGGLE WITH ATTENTION BETWEEN THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES AND THE POLICIES THAT SEEM TO GO AGAINST ONE ANOTHER AND I THINK TOO OFTEN IN THE MOST RECENT PAST I HAVE BEEN GUILTY OF THIS. I HAVE NOT SERVED THE SPIRIT OF THE PRINCIPLES. I THINK THIS SERVES THE SPIRIT OF THE PRINCIPLES. THIS SERVES PLANO 2050. IT ACKNOWLEDGES THAT WE ARE GROWING INTO A MORE MATURE CITY AND IT PUTS IN PLACE, IF I'M GOING TO QUOTE, BEST PRACTICES AND APPROACHES, TECHNOLOGIES TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT ALLOWS THE CITY TO REMAIN ATTRACTIVE AND VIBRANT INTO THE FUTURE. THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS WILL BE AN INCONVENIENCE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS WHY I WAS TRYING TO ASK IF -- I WAS ASKING THOSE& QUESTIONS WHICH I THINK -- AGAIN, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT -- THAT WHEN THIS IS FINALLY BUILT OUT THERE'S SOME NOISE CANCELING PROPERTIES OF THIS PROJECT THAT ARE NOT CAPTURED HERE THAT POTENTIALLY WILL AT LEAST LEAVE THE NOISE INCONVENIENCE FLAT TO WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW OR PERHAPS EVEN REDUCE IT. SO I AM IN FAVOR. I THINK THIS IS WHAT THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES HAD IN MIND WHEN THEY WERE PUT TOGETHER AND LOOK FORWARD TO -- I DO AGREE WITH HOLDING THEM TO THEIR COMMITMENTS. LET'S PUT SOMETHING ON PAPER THAT WE CAN HOLD THEM TO. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? FINAL THOUGHTS? COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. EVERYBODY HAS SAID IT REALLY WELL. I THINK KIND OF WHERE I COME DOWN THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS -- AND I STRUGGLE WITH THIS A LOT. ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT STRUCK ME IN ALL OF THE REPORTS AND EVERYTHING WAS A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT SAFETY. THEELICOPTER PADS OF THE TANKS, OF ALL THAT. AFTER TONIGHT I'M CONVINCED THAT THE HOSPITAL HAS TAKEN ALL THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND THAT WAS A MAJOR ISSUE FOR ME. THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT IS THAT THOSE THAT CAME BEFORE US RECOGNIZE THAT HELIPORTS AND THE NOISE ORDINANCE HAD EXEMPTIONS FOR AIR OPERATIONS FOR HOSPITALS. AND THE REASON THEY DID IS BECAUSE OF THE SERVICE THEY PROVIDE. THAT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE AS WELL THAT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SAT AT THIS DAISEFOR US AND THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE US, RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE TO THE SERVICE OF THE COMMUNITY. TO ME IT COMES DOWN TO TRANSITIONS AND SETBACKS AND I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION BEFORE US TONIGHT IS REALLY ABOUT TRANSITIONS AND SETBACKS. AND THERE'S 140 TO 150 E.R. PATIENTS A DAY THAT ARE COUNTING ON THIS FACILITY AND THAT'S A REASONABLE THING TO ME TO TAKE THE SIDE OF THOSE 140 TO 150 PEOPLE A DAY THAT WILL BENEFIT FROM THIS AND SUPPORT THIS. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING. >> Tong: I'LL SAY SOMETHING. I KIND OF DISAGREE WITH EVERYONE HERE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK PROVIDING MORE BEDS IS A CONFLICT OF SACRIFICING -- HOW DO I SAY THAT? I THINK THE ONE THAT COMMISSIONER STONE SAID, LOSING THE QUALI OF LIFE TO PRESERVE THE LIFE -- PRESERVATION OF THE LIFE. IT'S VERY WELL SAID BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S A CONFLICT THERE. THERE MIGHT BE A WAY TO PRESERVE THE LIFE AND PRESERVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE. I JUST THINK THERE MIGHT BE AN OPTION THAT THIS HOSPITAL OR THE NEIGHBORS CAN HAVE A BETTER SOLUTION. HOWEVER, BUT I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CHAIRMAN. I'M NOT A DESIGNER. M N AN ARCHITECT. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESIGN -- OR ENGINEER. I'M GOING TO RELY ON THE EXPERTS OF THE HOSPITAL AND THE EXPERTS IN THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OR ENGINEER. THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST DESIGN YOU CAN EVER COME UP SO I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR IT. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. EVERYONE SAID THEIR PIECE. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A CAN WE PLEASE VOTE ON ITEM 1A? THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. WE NOW NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND ON ITEM -- WELL, I MADE THE MOTION ON 1A, I'LL MAKE THE MOTION ON 1B TO APPROVE AS SUBMITTED. AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARY. PLEASE SHOAT ON ITEM 1B. THAT ITEM ALSO CARRIES 8-0. THANK EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. I THINK THEY KNEW IT WASN'T GOING TO BE A SLAM DUNK. I'M SORRY WE KEPT YOU HERE FOR THREE HOURS. ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU PROBABLY GOT A DRY RUN F COUNCIL SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, ET CETERA, WILL PROBABLY BE REPEATED. WE'LL LEAVE IT TO COUNCIL TO INSTALL ANY RESTRICTIONS THAT WE DIDN'T DECIDE TO DO. THANK YOU. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK AND PICK UP ON ITEM 2A. [SHORT RECESS] >> Chair Downs: OKAY. WE WILL RECONVENE INTO REGULAR SESSION. TONIGHT FOR YOUR PATIENCE. YOU'RE PROBABLY WISHING YOU WERE ITEMS 3 THROUGH 7 ON THE AGENDA. SO, ANYWAY, WE SERIOUSLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING PATIENT WITH US. OBVIOUSLY WE WERE VERY ENGAGED. YOU HAD TO SIT UP THERE IN THE MEANTIME AND HOPEFULLY YOU HAD SOME RECEPTION AND WERE PRODUCTIVE ON YOUR PHONES. SHALL WE MOVE TO ITEM 2A? 2A AND 2B. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 2A. PUBLIC HEARING: ZONING CASE 2022-013 - REQUEST TO REZONE 5.4 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL TO PLANNED DE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE ATTACHE LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THUNDERBIRD LANE, 145 FEET SOUTH OF CAMBRIDGE DRIVE. ZONED AGRICULTURAL. PETITIONERS: HUFFINES COMMUNITIES AND SUSAN TRACY HAR LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION. AGENDA ITEM NO. 2B. REVISED PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN: THUNDERBIRD PARK ADDITION - 155 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE ATTACHE LOTS AND 13 COMMON AREA TS ON 27.2 ACRES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF THUNDERBIRD LANE, 145 SOUTH OF CAMBRIDGE DRIVE. ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND PLANNED DEVELO RESIDENCE ATTACHED. ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> GOOD EVENING, THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM AGRICULTURAL TO SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE ATTACHED AND THE PROPOSED REQUEST WILL TIE INTO EAST AND SOUTH SIDE.ING ON THE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. A REVISED PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN HAS BEEN SUBMITTED WITH THE ZONING REQUEST. THE REVISED PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN PROPOSES 19 SFA LOTS AND ONE COMMON LOT AND SHOWS HOW IT WILL TIE INTO THE EXISTING SFA ZONING. THE LAST ZONING CASE FOR THE PARCEL TO THE EAST AND SOUTH WAS ON NOVEMBER 8, 2021 TO PROPOSE THE SFA ZONG DISTRI. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THE PROPOSED REZONING IS NOT FULLY CONSISTENT WITH THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD FORM. HOWEVER IF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD UNIT IS IRREGULARLY SHAPED AND NOT BOUNDED BY A MAJOR ROADWAY. THE PLAN NOTES THAT INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY MAY NOT FIT THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD FORM. THE REQUEST RESULTS IN MINIMAL CHANGES. THE HOUSING MIX WOULD INCREASE THE PERCENTAGE OF S TYPES BY APPROXIMATELY .02%. THE SCREEN SHOWS CONFORMANCE WITH THE DESIRABLE CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE REQUEST MEETS THE UNDEVELOPED LAND POLICY AND THE REDEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT POLICY ACTION 8 IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THE SCREEN SHOWS A SUMMARY OF HOW THE PLAN COMPLIES WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE DID RECEIVE THREE RESPONSES IN OPPOSITION WITHIN THE 200-FOOT BUFFER AND ONE RESPONSE IN SUPPORT WITHIN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AREA. CITYWIDE WE RECEIVED 16 RESPONSES TOTAL, ONE IN SUPPORT, 15 IN OPPOSITION, AND WE DID RECEIVE ONE DUPLICATE RESPONSE FOR A TOTAL OF 17 RESPONSES. TO SUMMARIZE, THIS IS A REQUEST TO ADD 19 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE ATTACHED LOTS AND ONE COMMON AREA LOT. TTHE ZONING CASE AND CONCEPT PLAN ARE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS . >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, TECHNICAL QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER TONG. >> Tong: I HAVE ONE QUESTION REGARDING THE OPEN SPACE NOT MEETING THE COMP PLAN REQUIREMENTS. DID YOU GET A CHANCE TO DISCUSS WITH THE APPLICANTS WHETHER THEY CAN PROVIDE MORE OPEN SPACE TO MEET THAT REQUIREMENT? >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY ARE EXCEEDING THE PASSIVE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT. 50% IS REQUIRED AND THEY'RE PROVIDING 57%. >> Tong: GOTCHA. I MISREAD THAT. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: YEAH, MY QUESTION'S FOR MR. BELL. SO THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT HAD SUBMITTED OPPOSITIONS IN TALKING ABOUT MULTIFAMILY. BUT I KNOW AND I'M HOPING YOU CAN ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT RELATES TO ATTACHED AND DETACHED HOMES AND MULTIFAMILY. >> SURE. EXCUSE ME. SO MULTIFAMILY TYPES, PER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IS GOING TO BE THREE OR MORE UNITS ON A SINGLE LOT. AND AS OPPOSED TO THESE, WHICH ARE ATTACHED UNITS. EACH LOT -- ONE BUILDING IS SUBDIVIDED INTO SEPARATE LOTS. EACH UNIT IS ON ITS OWN LOT. THAT'S AN ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY TYPE. >> Bronsky: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: JUST TO MAKE SURE IT'S CRYSTAL CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY. THIS IS GOING TO BE AN EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING PD OF THE SURROUNDING AREA SO ALL ARCHITECTURAL CONTROLS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT AND APPROVED AND ALL ELEVATIONS AND SETBACKS AND ALL THAT HAS BEEN APPLIED TO THIS ADDITIONAL AREA AS WELL? >> THEY ARE REQUESTING TO REZONE TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT THE ADJACENT SFA ZONING IS A PART OF FOR CONSISTENCY. BUT THIS AREA IS COMPLETELY MEETING THE STANDARDS SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED ZONING DISTRICT SETBACKS, LOT SIZE REQUIREMENTS. >> Ratliff: BECAUSE THEY'RE ADDING IT TO THAT PD, ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL STUFF, WOULD THAT THEN APPLY, THE ONE FOR THE REST OF THE THUNDERBIRD AREA? >> SURE. TO MY KNOWLEDGE THERE AREN'T ANY ARCHITECTURAL EXISTING PLANNED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. >> Ratliff: JUST IN THEIR PRESENTATION. I'LL ASK THAT OF THE APPLICANT. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: A QUICK QUESTION ON THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY. SO WHAT WE ARE SHOWING IS ESSENTIALLY A COMPARISON BETWEEN BUILDING 57,000 SQUARE FEET OF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE VERSUS THE 19 SINGLE-FAMILY. WHY DID WE CHOOSE THE 57,000 AS A BASELINE? >> WE COMPARE REZONINGS TO OFFIC SO IF THEY WERE TO DEVELOP AN OFFICE USE, THAT IS WHAT THE PARKING AND TRAFFIC COUNTS WOULD LOOK LIKE. >> Olley: NO, NO. THE CURRENT ZONING WOULD ALLOW FOR AN OFFICE, RIGHT? >> I DON'T BELIEVE THE CURRENT ZONING WOULD ALLOW FOR AN OFFICE, THAT'S CORRECT. >> Olley: OKAY. BASELINE THREW ME OFF. SECOND QUESTION, SAY A LARGE PORTION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS WITHIN A FLOODPLAIN BUT A FLOOD STUDY WAS NOT REQUIRED? >> A FLOOD STUDY WILL BE REQUIRED WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR FULL CIVIL PLANTS AND IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES AT THAT TIME, THEY WILL HAVE TO MAKE THE CHGES. >> Olley: AT THIS STAGE IT'S NOT REQUIRED. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD. THANKS AGAIN FOR BEING PATIENT THIS EVENING, GUYS. >> HEY, GUYS. HOW'S IT GOING? MY NAME IS COLLIN HUFFINES AND I AM IN CHARGE OF PROMENADE PREMIER. A LOT OF THESE SLIDES YOU MAY HAVE SEEN PREVIOUSLY IN OUR FIRST PRESENTATION ABOUT A YEAR AGO ON THE ORIGINAL TRACT SO I WILL DO MY BEST, IN THE ESSENCE OF TIME, TO KEEP THINGS BRIEF AND GET TO QUESTIONS. IN ESSENCE WE ARE SEEKING A REZONING -- ACTUALLY, LET ME BACK UP AND EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT HUFFINES COMMUNITY IS AND WHAT WE DO AND SPECIALIZE IN. WE REALLY BUILD COMMUNITIES. WE BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER WITH A HEAVILY-MANAGED SUBSIDIZED BY THE DEVELOPER HOA THAT REALLY OFFERS A PLACE TO CALL HOME. WE HAVE -- ONE OF OUR FAMOUS AND REALLY EXPENSIVE MOTIFS WE DO WITH EVERY DEVELOPMENT IS OUR GRAND ENTRYWAYS THAT YOU SEE HERE. THAT'S WYLIE AND PROVIDENCE VILLAGE. WE LIKE TO GET CREATIVE WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT THAT OTHER DEVELOPERS DON'T DO. THIS IS WHAT WE CALL THE PORTAL EFFECT THAT IS REALLY FAMOUS IN ANY DISNEYLAND, ANY TIME YOU'RE ENTERING ONE PART OF THEIR PARKS TO ANOTHER, YOU'LL ALWAYS NOTICE THERE'S AN OVERHEAD FEATURE AND SIDE FEATURE THAT MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE. THESE GRAND ENTRANCEWAYS COMBINED WITH -- HERE'S THESE LIT UP, HEARTLANDS. WE GET REALLY CREATIVE WITH THINGS THAT OTHER DEVELOPERS DON'T PUT ENOUGH TIME OR DETAIL TOWARDS. LET'S SEE HERE. THIS IS OUR VERIDIAN LIGHT-UP ARCH IN ARLINGTON. WE GET CREATIVE WITH ART AND SCULPTURES. WATER SCAPE, EVERYTHING IS WATER-ESQUE. THE COLORS, PALETTE, ELEVATION. WE LOVE THE OVERSIZED AMENITY CENTERS. IN THE TOP LEFT CORNER IS INSPIRATIONS AND BOTTOM LEFT IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, THIS IS A WORKOUT CENTER, MEETING PLACE. THESE ARE ON THE MASTER PLAN LEVEL AND THIS JOB IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON OUR COMPANY AND US IN GENERAL. HERE'S SOME WATER PARKS WE'VE DONE BEFORE. THIS IS HEARTLAND AND FORNE. WATER SLIDES ARE REALL ATTRACTIVE FOR THE KIDS. WE GOT CREATIVE WITH THIS SOIL CONSERVATION LAKE AND DID A FISHING PIER AND PUT A TRAIL AROUND IT. REALLY AMENITIZED SPACE. PLAYGROUNDS, HAMMOCK PARK. WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST TO BRING A CREATIVE SPACE AS A HAMMOCK PARK INTO THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY SETTINGS AND THEY HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY POPULAR. THAT'S MY IDEA SO I'M KIND OF PROUD OF IT. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING TOO CRAZY WITH THIS SITE. IT IS A LITTLE CONSTRAINED. I DO WISH THAT I COULD GET REALLY, REALLY CREATIVE BUT WHAT THIS SITE DOES ALLOW US TO DO IS NOT ONLY BUILD A COMMUNITY BUT BUILD A PLACE CALLED HOME. OUR SOCIAL FABRIC IS GOING TO BE TIED INTO A REGIMENTED HOA. WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOT OF OPTIONS WITH BUILDERS AND VARIOUS MAINTENANCE COMPANIES TO ACTUALLY HAVE A COMMUNAL HOA MANAGED LANDSCAPING SO THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT SO IT'S ALL TIED INTO THEIR DUES SO HOPEFULLY NO ONE'S LANDSCAPING IS SUFFERING ANY LESS THAN THE NEXT GUY'S. THAT IS SOMETHING A LOT OF -- MAYBE SOME COMMUNITIES YOU'LL NOTICE THE LANDSCAPING IS THE FIRST THING THAT CHANG UNIT TYPE, HOUSE TYPE, BUYER TYPE. THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE AND OUR HOA IS GOING TO KEEP THAT TIGHT AND BUTTONED UP. WE ARE ALWAYS FOCUSED ON VALUE ENHANCEMENT. ALL OF OUR COMMUNITIES, YOU CAN TOUR THEM, THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE. THEY HOLD THEIR VALUE IN AN INCREDIBLE WAY. BUYERS REALTORS ADVERTISE THAT THIS IS A HUFFINES COMMUNITY. IN FACT WE HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF COMMUNITY. WE HAVE A STANDARD HUFFINES COMMUNITY THAT HAS A STANDARD THRESHOLD, A HUFFINES SIGNATURE COMMUNITY AND A WHOL OTHER MARKETING PACKAGE. MASTER PLANNED TRAIL SYSTEMS. UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TO UNIT COUNT IN THIS, I CAN'T SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO A HUFFINES SIGNATURE COMMUNITY BUT THIS WILL BE A PRIDEFUL HUFFINES COMMUNITY IN GENERAL. SOME QUICK NOTES ON OUR SOCIAL FABRIC WITHIN OUR HOAs AND THE GENERAL MASTER PLANS. WE DO YEAR ROUND SOCIAL EVENTS, QUARTERLY NEWSLETTERS, WE'RE HIGHLY ENGAGING. HEARTLAND HAS A FULL-TIME SOCIAL EVENTS CHAIRMAN NOT ONLY FROM THE RESIDENTS BUT TWO FULL-TIME PEOPLE BEHIND THAT SOCIAL COMMITTEE AT HEARTLAND JUST TO KEEP THINGS GOING. THEY'RE PLANNING SOMETHING EVERY OTHER NIGHT IN THAT AMENITY CENTER, AT THIS PARK PAVILION, THIS SOCIAL SEASON, THIS AND THAT. WE REALLY DO A GREAT JOB TYING THE COMMUNITIES TOGETHER THROUGH PARADES, EASTER BUNNY STUFF, FISHING TOURNAMENTS. THIS IS THE TYPE OF THING WE LIKE TO DO EVERYTHING BETTER IN GENERAL THAN THE NEXT GUY. WE GET REALLY CUSTOMIZED SIGNAGE. WE SPEND EXTRA MONEY ON LIGHTING ENTRYWAYS VILLAGES SO THAT WE HAVE PORTALS AND, YOU KNOW, LITTLE TOWNSHIPS WITHIN THE MASTER PLA AND WE DEFINITELY -- I FORGOT ABOUT THIS SLIDE. CUSTOMIZED MANHOLE LIDS, WRAPPED UTILITY BOXES. IF WE HAVE TO GET INTO BIG INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE WATER TOWERS AND THINGS, WE GET REALLY INVOLVED WITH EVERY BIT OF PLANNING, WHETHER IT BE BE ME, MY DAD, MY COUSIN AND EVERYONE ELSE AND THE STAFF MEMBERS UNDERSTAND THAT OUR CRITERIA AND OUR COMPANY IS TO SEE BEYOND THE OBVIOUS. HERE'S A COUPLE OF GOOD EXAMPLES REAL FAST ON SOME STREETSCAPE DESIGNS. WE GET SPECIFIC ON HOW TREES ARE PLANTED IN RELATION TO THE PARKWAYS. WE OVERSIZE ALL OF OUR SIDEWALKS. WE HAVE A STANDARD MINIMUM OF FIVE FOOT WITH OUR BUILDERS. I LIKE TO FIGHT FOR MORE. WE REQUIRE THEM VERY SPECIFICALLY TO PLANT TREES AND SHRUBBERY IN ANY TYPE OF LANDSCAPING SO TREES CAST SHADE ON SIDEWALKS AND CORNERS ARE ALWAYS GETTING TORN UP BY TRUCKS, TRAILERS, AND DELIVERY GUYS. WE TRY TO MAKE THEM AESTHETIC& BY GETTING NICE, BIG BOULDERS AND GET CREATIVE. TYPICAL STREET SUBDIVISION, CASE IN POINT. MAYBE FROM AN OLDER PART OF TOWN OR OLDERIME IN DEVELOPMENT SPACE HERE IN NORTH TEXAS. IT'S KIND OF PLAIN. NOT A LOT OF TREES REQUIRED IN A PARKWAY, SMALLER SIDEWALKS. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HERE THIS IS THE KIND OF LOOK AND FEEL FROM PICTURES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE VERY, VERY DIFFERENT AND STAND OUT FROM WHAT YOU SEE IN SOME SUBDIVISIONS AROUND NORTH TEXAS. AGAIN, THIS IS IN WATERVIEW, I BELIEVE IN ROWLETT. WE GOT CREATIVE WITH THE BOULDERS AND STONEWORK. THIS IS OUTSIDE THE AMENITY CENTER SO WE REALLY WANTED TO ENHANCE THE WALKABILITY AROUND THAT AREA AND POND ITSELF. CK TO REQUIRED LANDSCAPING, EDGED BEDS. WE WORK REALLY TIGHT WITH THE BUILDERS AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE UP FRONT IN THESE JOBS ABOUT WHAT PRODUCT THEY HAVE TO DELIVER. NOT JUST IN BUILDING AESTHETICS. WE DON'T GET INVOLVED WITH INTERIORS BUT WE ARE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE EXTERIOR ELEVATIONS AND LANDSCAPING. WE LIKE TO BENCH OUR LOTS A LITTLE HIGHER. I ALREADY KNOW THAT'S A REQUIREMENT HERE SO THAT'S GOING TO BE AN EASY ONE TO MEET. WE DISCUSSED THAT BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF. ELEVATED LOTS ALLOW FOR AWESOME VIEW SPACE DOWN FROM YOUR HOUSE AND UP TO YOUR HOUSE. IT BREAKS UP THE STREETSCAPE A LITTLE BIT. TYPICAL SUBDIVISION FENCING IS ONGOING MAINTENANCE. OUR HOA REALLY LOOKS TO ELEVATE THAT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, WHETHER IT BE SCREENING LANDSCAPING SCREENING HERE OR UPGRADED WROUGHT IRON FENCING IF IT BACKS UP TO A POND OR A LAKE. THESE ARE SOME OF THE DETAILS THAT HUFFINES COMMUNITIES FOCUSES ON AND WE'RE PRIDEFUL ABOUT. I HAVE BEEN DRIVING JOBS -- I'M 33 YEARS OLD -- MY ENTIRE LIFE. I CAN'T HELPUT REALLY LK AT THE JOBS AND HAVE A LOT OF PRIDE IN THEM. YEAH, MAILBOXES ARE ALWAYS UPGRADED, CUSTOM LOGOS IN EVERY ADDRESS BOX. SOMETIMES IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CVUs, THEN WE GO THROUGH THESE CUSTOMIZED WROUGHT IRON-LOOKING MAILBOXES. GENERALLY SPEAKING, HERE'S A GREAT ELEVATION OF THE PRODUCT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AND BRINGING IN HERE. THIS CAME FROM ONE OF THE BUILDERS THAT WE'RE TALKING TO. SINGLE-FAMILY SFA IS PRETTY MUCH WITHIN THE CONFINES OF EVERYTHING I T CITY OF PLANO DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES AND WHILE, AGAIN, WE DON'T CONTROL OR WORK WITH ANY OF THE INTERIORS, THE EXTERIORS ARE WHAT WE WORK WITH THE BUILDERS TO BEST FIT THE MOTIF OF THE COMMUNITY. RIGHT NOW THE NAME IS PROMENADE AT PREMIER BUT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEMING OF THE COMMUNITY, KIND OF POST TONIGHT AND SEEING WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE REST OF THE JOB. SO HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE. THIS IS A 25-FOOT FRONT ENTRY MORE LIKE WHAT YOU EXPECT TO SEE IN THIS JOB ITSELF AND, OH YEAH. A CONCERN THAT'S COME UP BEFORE IS THE CREEKWAY AND H WE'RE GOING TO MITIGATE AND WORK WITH THAT. I GUESS QUICKLY HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF A CREEKWAY THAT'S BEEN REROUTED THROUGH THE AGES WITH NO LANDSCAPING ENHANCEMENTS OR IMPROVEMENTS. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT. WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE NOT THIS EITHER. THESE ARE JUST BRIEF EXAMPLES OF CREEK REROUTINGS, CULVERT, FLOOD CONTROL. HERE'S A GOOD PICTURE I PULLED FROM GOOGLE DRIVE UP HERE AT RIDGEWOOD AND WILLOW CREEK. THESE TREES HAV GRO IN AND AROUND THE CR CREEK CROSSING. I'M A BIG TREE GUY AND I REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S THE VALUE AND THE SELLING POINT TO THIS COMMUNITY IS WORKING AROUND THAT CREEK AND THE EXISTING VEGETATION. I THINK THAT WAS MINIMAL DISTURBANCE. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR. THAT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT WILDER THAN MY TASTE BUT IT'S AN EXAMPLE FROM PLANO AND GOOGLE. THIS IS A CREEK THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP AND THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING WITH NOW. THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU'RE DOWN IN THE CREEK. IF THERE'S A WO AMENITIZE IT, I'M CERTAINLY LOOKING AT IT BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE FINALIZING THE FLOOD STUDY AND I'M NOT SURE OF THE BOUNDARIES YET, IT'S ALMOST READY FOR SUBMITTAL. THAT'S KIND OF THE GENERAL GIST OF WHO WE ARE. IF YOU DON'T MIND, THE SITE PLAN, HOW DO I GET BACK TO THAT? PUSH ALL THE WAY. SO WE'RE REALLY NOT CHANGING ANYTHING BETWEEN THE TWO SITES. WE BELIEVE THAT THIS FIVE ACRES OR SO ON THEORTHST CORNER, ADDING THIS REALLY BRINGS IN A COPACETIC DESIGN AND PLAN FOR THIS ENTIRE PARCEL AROUND THE CREEK THERE. THERE IT IS. SO THE EXISTING SITE, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THIS SITE AND THE EXISTING PD. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP THINGS COPACETIC AND MASTER PLANNED. THIS ACREAGE IS JUST SITTING THERE AND WE THINK IT'S BEST TO PULL IT INTO THE DESIGN, THE ENTIRETY OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT IS PRONADE AT PREMIER. SORRY I TALKED A LITTLE FAST. IT'S KIND OF LATE. I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> THERE IS NOT. >> Chair Downs: IN THAT CASE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HEAR A LOT OF TIMES THAT NOBODY WANTS TO BUILD SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN PLANO ANYMORE AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE IS THAT IT CAN STILL BE DONE AND I THINK IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL AND I'VE BEEN TO YOUR PLACE OUT IN WYLIE AND YOU GUYS DO AN INCREDIBLE JOB. THANK YOU FOR BUILDING SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN PLANO. >> YES. YES. THIS IS A TRICKY SITE. THE CONSTRAINTS OF THAT CREEK AND THE TIGHTNESS THAT THIS IS DO NOT ALLOW FOR A LOT OF OPTIONS AND WE ARE -- WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TRYINGTO MAKE THIS SITE THE WAY IT IS. I'M PROUD OF IT NOW. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: A QUICK QUESTION. I PROBABLY NEED GLASSES BUT WHERE'S THE ENTRY TO THIS? >> SO ON THE RIGHT SIDE ON PREMIER DRIVE IS GOING TO BE -- I GUESS IN THE DEVELOPER SPACE WOULD BE CONSIDERED OUR MARKETING WINDOW. THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR MAIN DRIVER FOR SURE SO ALL THE TRAFFIC AT PREMIER. >> Olley: ONE ENTRY, ONE EXIT? >> NO, THERE'S THREE ENTRYWAYS. WE HAVE PREMIER RIGHT HERE ON THE PLANNED RIGHT SIDE. WE HAVE THUNDERBIRD ACCESS ON THE FAR LEFT. AND THEN THE CONNECTION ON THE NORTH SIDE. >> Olley: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: I ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER BRONSKY SAID ABOUT BUILDING THESE. I'M JUST CURIOUS. WHAT'S YOUR TARGET COST MARKET FOR THESE? WHAT ARE THESE GOING TO COME IN, DO YOU THINK? >> THAT'S BEEN A REALLY, REALLY GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW YET, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. THE MARKET HAS BEEN FLYING AROUND AND WE HAVE A PLAN AND WE'RE TRYING TO STICK TO IT. >> Cary: JUST CURIOUS. >> I WOULD SAFELY ESTIMATE -- THIS IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE AND I DON'T EXPECT IT TO PROBABLY STICK GOING THROUGH CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE THE DELIVERY ON THESE IS SOMETHING TT'S ALMOST 20 SOMETHING MONTHS. I WOULD SAFELY EXPECT THESE STARTING AT LEAST IN THE 350s. >> Cary: THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY THAT'S ADJACENT TO EXISTING HOMES, REMIND ME WHAT'S GOING IN THERE, NOT THAT IT AFFECTS THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY BUT YOUR ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT. WHAT'S GOING AROUND THIS PROPERTY? I FORGET FROM YOUR LAST PRESENTATION. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WHAT WE'RE BUILDING OR WHAT PEOPLE ARE BUILDING AROUND US? >> Cary: WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOUR ENTIRE PREMIER NEIGHBORHOOD HERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF IT, ADJACENT TO THE HOMES, IS THERE A FENCE THERE NOW? ARE YO GUYS PUTTING IN A FENCE? >> NO, THERE'S ACTUALLY AN EXISTING ALLEY. >> Cary: THAT ALLEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE THERE? >> IT WILL BE BUT WE'RE NOT TAPPING INTO IT. THE UNITS ARE NOT DESIGNED OR GOING TO BE DESIGNED FOR ALLEY ACCESS. THEY'RE ALL FRONT ENTRY, 25-FOOT. >> Cary: DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE TRAFFIC? YOU'RE ADDING QUITE A FEW UNITS WITH JUST A FEW POINTS OF EGRESS. ANY CONCERNS THERE? >> NOT ANY MORE THAN ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT NO. >> Cary: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: NO MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMENTS? MOTION?TION?TION?TION?TION?TION? COMMISSIONER BRONSKY SAID, WE BADLY NEED MORE HOUSING STOCK IN THE CITY SO WITH THAT IN MIND, I MOVE WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NO. 2A. >> SECOND. >> Olley: AS SUBMITTED. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY TO APPROVE ITEM 2A. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON 2B AS WELL? >> Olley: SURE. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NO. 2B SUBJECT TO THE FLOOD STUDY, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WILL BE IMPORTANT TO THIS. >> I JUST HAVE A SIMPLE QUESTION. IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR 2B IT SAYS CIT COUNCIL APPROVAL OF ZONING CASE. >> Chair Downs: RIGHT. SO WE'RE APPROVING 2B BUT THEY CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING UNTIL COUNCIL APPROVES THE ZONING REQUEST. >> I JUST HADN'T SEEN THAT LIKE THAT. >> Chair Downs: IT'S TYPICAL. >> Bronsky: THAT'S ALL. >> Chair Downs: I HAD A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARY TO APPROVE ITEM 2B. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM ALSO CARRIES 8-0 . THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR PATIENCE THIS EVENING. OKAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM 8, BECAUSE WE WENT THROUGH 3 THROUGH 7 EARLIER. >> NON-PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS: T PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY, AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT. AGENDA ITEM NO. 8. DISCUSSION AND ACTION - PRELIMINA SIT PLAN: TOM UMB CENTER, BLOCK A, LOT 3 - RESTAURANT ON ONE LOT ON 0.9 ACRE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF ALMA DRIVE, 138 FEET NORTH OF BASS DRIVE. ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-113- APPLICANT: JAHCO SUNCREEK LAND, LEGISLATIVE AND ADMINISTRATIVE . >> GOOD EVENIN. THIS REQUEST IS FOR A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR A IS ZONED RETAIL AND ISN THAT ADJACENT TO LAND ZONED SINGLE-FAMILY 7 TO THE SOUTH. THE DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT HAS AN OUTDOOR SPEAKER AND BECAUSE OF THIS THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY STANDARDS ARE APPLICABLE. A 150-FOOT SETBACK FROM THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IS REQUIRED. IF THE SITE CANNOT MEET THIS, THE ITEM WILL BE SEEN AND REVIEWED IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. THE COMMISSION CAN REQUIRE ADDITIONAL SCREENING ELEMENTS OR BUILDING ORIENTATION IF EMEDECESRY. THE APPLICANT HAS DESIGNED THEIR SITE WITH THE SPEAKER AS FAR NORTH AS POSSIBLE, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE IS BEING PROPOSED, AND EXISTING CONDITIONS HAVE A FIRE LANE, EXISTING TREES, A MASONRY SCREENING WALL, AND AN ALLEY BEFORE THE RESIDENTIAL HOMES ARE PRESENT. AND WITH THAT, STAFF BELIEVES THAT THIS REQUEST MEETS THE INTENTION, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A 124 FEET FROM THE RESIDENTIALLY-ZONED PROPERTY AND WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. I WOULD BE PLEASED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. THE GREEN SPACE, IS THEIR PLAN TO LEAVE IT UNDEVELOPED OR GREEN OR DO WE KNOW -- IS THERE ANOTHER PLAN FOR ANOTHER PAD SITE IN THERE? >> WITH THIS SITE, WE CAN HAVE ONE BUILDING ON HERE AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SITE PLAN, IT'S A BIT SMALL ON THE SCREEN BUT IN YOUR PACKETS IT'S SHOWING THAT THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS REALLY PREVALENT IN THAT GREEN SPACE AREA TO EXTEND THAT DISTANCE AS FAR AS POSSIBLE FROM THE RESIDENTIALLY-ZONED DISTRICT. >> Ratliff: THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS TO PUT ANOTHER BUILDING IN THAT GREEN SPACE? IT'S GOING TO BE PERMANENTLY GREEN SPACE? >> IS THE APPLICANT HERE? >> NO, THEY ARE NOT. >> THERE'S NOT BEEN DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE APPLICANT THAT THERE IS PLANS FOR AN ADDITIONAL RTAURT OR BUILDING BESIDES THE SCOOTER'S COFFEE. >> Ratliff: OKAY. THANKS. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: JUST A QUICK QUESTION. SO IF THEY MET THE 150 FEET BUFFER, THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO PUT ANY MITIGATING FACTORS, NO SHRUBBERY BETWEEN THEM AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, CORRECT? >> THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO MEET THEIR LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENT BUT WE WOULD NOT BE HERE TONIGHT DISCUSSING RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY STANDARDS THAT REQUIRE DITIONAL LANDSCAPE TO BUFFER THE NOISE IMPACT THAT THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT -- THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT MAY CAUSE ON THE DEVELOPMENT. >> Olley: 25, 26 FEET IS WHAT'S TRIGGERING -- >> YES. AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT IN REGARDS TO PROVIDING ADDITIONAL SHRUBS AND TREES, TALKING ABOUT THEIR CALIBER, THE HEIGHT, IN ORDER TO PROTECT THOSE RESIDENTS FROM THE NOISE FACTORS OF AN OUTDOOR SPEAKER. >> Olley: WOULD THEY BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A NOISE STUDY OF MY KIND? >> NO, BUT I DID WK WITH THE APPLICANT DURING OUR PACKET CREATION AND BECAUSE THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD SCOOTER'S COFFEE, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO TURN THE VOLUME DOWN ON THEIR OUTDOOR SPEAKER TO REALLY CONSIDER THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE NEARBY. WITH SCOOTER'S COFFEE SOMETIMES THEY'RE IN SHOPPING CENTERS, SOMETIMES THEY'RE NEAR RESIDENTIALLY-ZONED DISTRICTS. THEY REALLY CONSIDER THAT WHEN DESIGNING THEIR SITES AND THEIR OUTDOOR SPEAKERS. >> Olley: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: I THINK IT'S FUNNY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NOISE FROM APEAKER ON A DRIVE-THROUGH. [LAUGHTER] TO WRAP UP THE EVENING. YOU'VE SEEN THE MEMES, RIGHT? WHAT DID YOU SAY? YOU CAN'T EVEN HEAR THEM. THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A HELICOPTER LANDING PAD ON TOP OF IT. THAT TELLS ME IT'S ALMOST 11:00 AT NIGHT BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING THESE KIND OF JOKES. OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SHE'S THINKING THANK GOD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT SCOOTER'S COFFEE'S ORDERING SYSTEM? OKAY. >> NO, THERE IS NOT. >> Chair Downs: NO, THERE IS NOT. HE LIKES SCOOTER'S COFFEE. OKAY. WE NEED ACTION, PLEASE. [SPEAKER SOUNDS] >> I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE THIS AS RECOMMENDED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF WITH A GARBLED SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HORNE TO APPROVE ITEM 8. PLEASE VOTE. YEAH, IT IS GETTING LATE, GUYS. OKAY. THAT CARRIES 8-0 EVERYONE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. NOW WE GET TO NO. 9. THIS IS OUR FIRST BITE AT THE APPLE ON OUR SUBCOMMITTEE WORK. MY EXPERIENCE WAS IT'S VERY PROFESSIONAL, VERY BENEFICIAL, VERY THOUGHT OUT, WE HAD GREAT DISCUSSIONS. I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A LOT OF ADDITIONAL WORK WE NEED TO DO OTHER THAN TAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE. I COULD RUN THROUGH ALL OF THESE BUT YOU GIVE YOUR REPORT AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S REALLY ANY QUESTIONS AROUND IT. >> ALL RIGHT. SO TONIGHT -- GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. DREW BRAWNER, LEAD PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. TONIGHT'S ITEM IS A CONTINUATION OF THE REVIEW OF OUR LONG STANDING POLICY DOCUMENT AND THE FIRST OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE DOCUMENT RECOMMENDATIONS. SO AS A RECAP, AT THE APRIL 18, 2022 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED A PROCESS TO REVIEW OUR SET OF PLANNING POLICY DOCUMENTS IN GROUPS BASED ON PRIORITY, EASE OF REVIEW, AND POTENTIAL NEED FOR DOCUMENT UPDATES. THOSE ARE GROUPED INTO ONE OF FOUR CATEGORIES. GROUP ONE WERE POLICY DOCUMENTS RECOMMENDED FOR RETIREMENT OR APPEAL BY STAFF. THAT REVIEW IS COMPLETE. GROUP TWO WERE PRIORITY POLICY DOCUMENTS TO BE ADDRESSED DURING FUTURE POLICY AND PLAN UPDATES. GROUP THREE ARE POLICY DOCUMENTS TO BE REVIEWED BY A COMMISSION SUBCOMMITTEE AND IS THE FOCUS OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION. GROUP FOUR ARE OTHER POLICY OR REFERENCE DOCUMENTS THAT DO NOT NEED REVIEW AND THEY WILL BE MAINTAINED FOR REFERENCE. SO FOR MORE DETAIL, GROUP THREE, OUR DOCUMENTS THAT MAY ORR DECISION MAKING AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT NEEDS ADDITIONAL DIRECTION FROM THE COMMISSION. POTENTIAL DIRECTION WE WERE SEEKING FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEES INCLUDE WHETHER TO RETAIN A DOCUMENT UPDATE OR INCORPORATE AS PART OF ANOTHER DOCUMENT. GROUP THREE DOCUMENTS WERE DIVIDED INTO SUBGROUPS BY SIMILAR THEMES FOR EFFICIENCY OF REVIEW. ON JULY 19, 2022 THE CITYWIDE STANDARD SUBCOMMITTEE MET VIA VIDEOCONFERENCE TO DISCUSS AND PROVIDE DIRECTION ON THE FOUR POLICY DOCUMEN RELATED TO CITYWIDE STANDARDS. THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS INCLUDED CHAIR DOWNS, COMMISSIONER TONG, AND COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. AND THE FOLLOWING IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE FOUR DOCUMENTS THAT WERE REVIEWED SO THE FIRST DOCUMENT IS THE MULTIFAMILY DESIGN GUIDELINES FROM 1991. THIS DOCUMENT IS INTENDED TO PROMOTE GOOD DESIGN OF MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND ADDRESS ITEMS SUCH AS PROPER SIZE AND LOCATION, COMPATIBILITY WITH ADJACENT LAND USES AND MAINTENANCE OF A LIVABLE RESIDENTIAL ENVIRONMENT. SOME LIMITATIONS ARE THAT SOME ELEMENTS HAVE BECOME OUTDATED AND ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH MORE RECENT UPDATES TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ZONING ORDINANCE. THE DESIGN GUIDELINES ONLY PROVIDE GUIDANCE FOR GARDEN-STYLE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND DO NOT ADDRESS NEWER STYLES OF MULTIFAMILY. AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021 INCLUDES A COMMUNITY DESIGN POLICY WHICH INCLUDES AN ACTION TO DEVELOP UPDATED REVIEW CRITERIA AS PART OF A COMMUNITY DESIGN PLAN. THE SECOND DOCUMENT REVIEWED WAS THE PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISION GUIDELINES FROM 1994. THE CURRENT ARE FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON GATED COMMUNITIES THAT ADDRESS LOCATION, INTERSECTION WITH THOROUGHFARES AND REQUIREMENTS TO REQUEST A SPECIFIC-USE PERMIT. PRIVATE STREETS ARE PRIMARILY LOCATED WITHIN MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENTS AS OPPOSED TO GATED SUBDIVISIONS AND DESIGN STANDARDS FOR PRIVATE GATED STREETS ARE CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW AS PART OF THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS UPDATE. THE THIRD DOCUMENT REVIEWED WAS THE WORKFORCE HOUSING STUDY FROM 2006. THIS STUDY CAME FROM THE TRANSITION AND REVITALIZATION COMMISSION TASKED WITH STUDYING THE AVAILABILITY OF WORKFORCE HOUSIN. RECOMMENDATIONS WERE FOCUSED ON THREE MAIN GOALS: ENSURING AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY OF WORKFORCE HOUSING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THOSE EMPLOYEES EARNING BETWEEN 80 TO 120% OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME, PRESERVING AND ENHANCING PLANO'S EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS, AND A FOCUS ON URBAN CENTERS WHICH MAY PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO REQUIRE WORKFORCE HOUSING AS PART OF AGREEMENTS TO UPGRADE INFRASTRUCTURE. DUE TO THE AGE OF THE STUDY, THE STUDY CONTAINS OUTDATED DEMOGRAPHICS AND FUNDING INFORMATION. AND FINALLY WE HAVE THE MASTER FACILITIES PLAN FROM 2008. THIS WAS DEVELOPED BY THE FACILITIES PLANNING COMMITTEE AND IS A PLAN TO GUIDE THE DEVELOPMENT IN REDEVELOPMENT OF FUTURE CITY FACILITIES. THE PLAN IS INTENDED TO BE A BIG-PICTURE TOOL DURING THE PREPARATION OF THE ANNUAL COMMUNITY INVESTMENT PROGRAM BUDGET AND AN UPDATE TO THE MASTER FACILITIES PLAN IS RECOMMENDED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021 ACTION FI1. SO THAT CONCLUDES THE OVERVIEW OF THE FOUR DOCUMENTS. THIS SLDE HERE SUMMARIZES THE RECOMMENDATIONS PROVIDED BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIR TO DISCUSS THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND STAFF IS AVAILABLEO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. YOU GUYS HAVE ALL HAD A CHANCE TO READ THROUGH THIS. BASICALLY WE DETERMINE THAT THE DESIGN GUIDELINES WERE SO OUT OF DATE THERE WAS NOT MUCH REASON TO KEEP THOSE. THE PRIVATE STREET SUBDIVISION GUIDELINES BASICALLY WERE LOOKING AT THE ADOPTION OF THE THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS AND SO RATHER THAN RESCIND IT NOW -- IT WOULD TAKE PLACE WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE NEW THOROUGHFARE STANDARDS. WE WOULD GET RID OF THE WORKFORCE HOUSING STUDY BECAUSE IT'S WAY OUT OF THE DATE. THEN THE MASTER FACILITIES PLAN IS ONE WE PROBABLY HAD THE MOST DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE IT NEEDED TO BE A HIGHER PRIORITY IN OUR OVERALL WORK PLAN. WHEN WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE TIMELINES FOR SOME OF THE FACILITIES THAT THE CITY'S USING, WE WERE REALLY CONCERNED THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE -- IT WASN'T HIGH ENOUGH PRIORITY SO WE WANTED THERE TO BE SOME ADDITIONAL WORK IN THAT AREA. I GUESS M QSTIO HERE AT THIS POINT WOULD BE HOW WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS IN TERMS OF MOTIONS. IF WE NEED SOMETHING INDIVIDUALLY FOR EACH ONE OF THESE OR CAN WE -- IS IT CLEAR ENOUGH IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION SUMMARY OR IN THIS PRESENTATION WHAT ACTION NEEDS TO BE TAKEN THAT WE CAN USE ONE MOTION TO ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THAT. STAFF, WHAT WOULD YOU PREFER? >> I THINK ONE MOTION WOULD BE FINE IF IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS SUMMARIZED ON THE SCREEN. I THINK THAT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER BRONSKY, GO AHEAD. >> Bronsky: I MOVE THAT WE FOLLOW THE FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR EACH -- FOLLOW EACH OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ALL FOUR OF THESE CITYWIDE DOCUMENTS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: WHO SAID SECOND FIRST? OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISONER BRONSKY WIT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S WORK ON THESE FOUR ITEMS. PLEASE VOTE. THAT CARRIES 8-0. THANK YOU REST OF THE COMMISSION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF OUR WORK ON THIS. BEFORE WE ADJOURN, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PATIENCE. TOUGH DECISION TONIGHT. I THINK IT'S RIGHT THAT IT GOES TO COUNCIL AND WE'LL SEE WHERE THEY GO FROM THERE BUT I THINK OUR DELIBERATION WAS IT WAS WELL-TOUGHT-OUT AND I ESPECIALLY WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO STAFF FOR STAYING LATE AND STICKING WITH US, ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS AND THE PROFESSIONALISM THAT YOU DISPLAY IN EVERY SINGLE CASE. THANK YOU. PARDON? BEST STAFF AROUND. I AGREE. OKAY. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 10:56. [MEETING ADJOURNED]