[0:16] Elliot Payne: GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS ELLIOT PAYNE, THE PRESIDENT OF MINNEAPOLIS CITY COUNCIL. BEFORE WE CONVENE OUR MEETING, WE HAVE PRESENTATIONS OF HONORARY RESOLUTIONS. WE ARE PLEASED TO WELCOME GUESTS TO THE SPACE TO SHARE IN THESE PRESENTATIONS BEFORE TAKING UP OUR AGENDA. FIRST UP IS A RESOLUTION RECOGNIZING MARCH AS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. AND I WILL INVITE UP COUNCILMEMBERS JENKINS AND COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON. [1:45] Andrea Jenkins: GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS ANDREA JENKINS, THE COUNCILMEMBER FOR WARD 8. AND I WOULD LOVE TO WELCOME SCHOOL BOARD PRESIDENT -- VICE PRESIDENT KIM ELLISON HERE WITH ME. AND SOME OTHER FOLKS FROM THE MS SOCIETY. AND WE HAVE A RESOLUTION THIS MORNING. JUST HONORING AND CREATING AWARENESS. [2:20] Andrea Jenkins: THIS IS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS WEEK. AND MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS IMPACTS MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. SO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING WHAT WE CAN TO UNDERSTAND, TO SUPPORT, AND TO ADVOCATE FOR PEOPLE LIVING WITH MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS AND OTHER DISABILITIES, AS WELL. SO RESOLUTION RECOGNIZING MARCH AS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS AWARENESS MONTH IN MINNEAPOLIS. MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS (MS) IS A NEUROLOGICAL DISEASE OF THE CENTRAL NERVOUS AFFECTING 2.8 MILLION PEOPLE [3:09] Andrea Jenkins: WORLDWIDE, INCLUDING ONE MILLIO PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES WHICH IS DOUBLE THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE; AND WHEREAS THE NATIONAL MULTIPLE S SOCIETY REPORTS THAT MORE THAN 15,000 MINNESOTANS LIVE WITH MS AND THAT THE DISEASE GENERALLY PEOPLE IN THE PRIME OF LIFE, BETWEEN AGES 20 THROUGH 50, AND THE CAUSE AND COURSE OF THE OFTEN DEBILITATING SYMPTOMS OF MS REMAIN UNKNOWN AND NO CURE CURRENTLY EXISTS; AND WHEREAS THE NATIONAL MULTIPLE S SOCIETY HAS BEEN COMMITTED FOR [3:57] Andrea Jenkins: 79 YEARS TO A WORLD FREE OF MS, HEIGHTENING PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE ABOUT AND INSIGHT INTO THE DISEASE; AND WHEREAS SINCE 1946 THE NATIONAL SCLEROSIS SOCIETY HAS BEEN A DRIVING FORCE OF MS RESEARCH, R PURSUING PREVENTION, TREATMENTS AND A CURE, AND HAS INVESTED MORE THAN $1 BILLION IN GROUNDB RESEARCH; AND WHEREAS FUNDS RAISED THROUGH TH NATIONAL MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS SOCIETY FUEL OVER $30 MILLION I ANNUAL INVESTMENTS FOR MORE THAN 200 NEW AND ONGOING MS RESEARCH PROJECTS AT THE BEST MEDICAL CE UNIVERSITIES, AND OTHER INSTITUTIONS THROUGHOUT THE U.S. [4:42] Andrea Jenkins: AND ABROAD, LEADING TO MANY BREAKTHROUGHS IN THE TREATMENT OF MS; AND WHEREAS STOPPING MS IN ITS TRAC RESTORING WHAT HAS BEEN LOST, AND ENDING MS FOREVER IS THE MISSION OF THE NATIONAL MULTIPL SOCIETY AND ONE THAT ALL AMERICANS AND MINNESOTANS SHOUL SUPPORT; AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF MINNEAP RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF FINDING THE CAUSE AND CURE OF M AND EXPRESSES ITS APPRECIATION FOR THE DEDICATION THAT THE NATIONAL MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS SOCIETY HAS SHOWN TOWARD CREATING A WORLD FREE OF MS; [5:28] Andrea Jenkins: NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE MARCH 2025 AS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS, AND THAT THE 35W BRIDGE BE LIT IN ORANGE ON THE EVENING OF MARCH 14. FURTHER, MARCH 9 THROUGH 15, 2025, BE OBSERVED AS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS AWARENESS WEEK AND WE COMMEND THIS OBSERVATION TO OUR RESIDENTS. [6:03] Andrea Jenkins: I NOTICED THAT OTHER BUILDINGS ARE BEING LIT IN ORANGE DOWNTOWN, AS WELL. SO I'M GOING TO OFFER THE SCHOOL BOARD VICE PRESIDENT AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE SAY A -- SAY A FEW WORDS. [6:18] Kim Ellison: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THIS RESOLUTION. I HAVE BEEN LIVING WITH MS FOR OVER 20 YEARS. AND I JUST WANT T TO SAY IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS IS. AND UNDERSTANDING IT AFFECTS DIFFERENT PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY. [6:37] Kim Ellison: AND THAT EVEN WITHIN THE SAME PERSON, ME STANDING TODAY IS NO GUARANTEE I'LL BE STANDING TOMORROW. BUT ONE THING MY NEUROLOGIST LIKES TO SAY, "IF YOU KNOW ONE WITH MS, YOU KNOW ONE PERSON WITH MS." IT'S THAT VARIABLE FOR EVERYBODY. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE FOLKS WITH MS OR ANY CHRONIC DISEASE TO FIND SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR YOU. [6:58] Kim Ellison: FOR ME, IT'S SWIMMING. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF. WHETHER YOU HAVE A DISEASE OR NOT. SO THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS TODAY. [ APPLAUSE ] [7:17] Andrea Jenkins: THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE A FEW WORDS ON BEHALF OF THE MS SOCIETY? [7:23] MS Society Representative: I WOULD LOVE TO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS AND COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON, THE REST OF THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS AND AWARENESS AND THE CRITICAL IMPORTANCE OF AWARENESS. I WANT TO THE THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO NONPROFIT WORK ACROSS THIS STATE. I LIKE TO QUOTE AND SAY, WE ALL DO BETTER WHEN WE DO BETTER. WE CAN DO BETTER WHEN WE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AND ACCOMPANYING ONE ANOTHER IN THE JOURNEYS WE HAVE. WHETHER IT'S THROUGH CHRONIC DISEASE OR ANYTHING ELSE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO VISIT THE NATIONAL MULTIPLE [8:02] MS Society Representative: SCLEROSIS SOCIETY'S WEBSITE. NATIONALMSSOCIETY.ORG FOR RESOURCES, INFORMATION, WAYS TO GET INVOLVED. AND IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT LIVING MS IS LIKE, VISIT MSENDSWITHUS.ORG. THANK YOU, LISTENERS AND VIEWERS, FOR HELPING TO INCREASE AWARENESS. [ APPLAUSE ] [8:26] Andrea Jenkins: THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I'LL JUST SAY DISABILITY JUSTICE IS A CAUSE THAT WE SHOULD ALL BE FIGHTING FOR. BECAUSE, AM AT SOME POINT IN LIFE, ALL of US WILL EXPERIENCE SOME FORM OF DISABILITY. YOU MIGHT NEED READING GLASSES, YOU MIGHT NEED A HEARING AID, YOU MIGHT MEAN A CANE OR A SCOOTER, LIKE I AND SOME OF MY FRIENDS WHO LIVE WITH MS DO. BUT WE ALL WILL BE IMPACTED BY A DISABILITY, [9:12] Andrea Jenkins: TEMPORARY AND/OR PERMANENT. SO THIS IS ALL OF OUR FIGHT. AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS JOINING. AND ONE THING YOU DIDN'T MENTION, IS THAT THE WALK FOR MS IS COMING UP. [9:24] MS Society Representative: YES. IT IS. [9:26] Andrea Jenkins: THIS MAY. [9:27] MS Society Representative: THAT'S RIGHT. [9:28] Andrea Jenkins: I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SUPPORT THOSE EFFORTS, AS WELL. [9:30] MS Society Representative: YES. THANK YOU. [9:31] Andrea Jenkins: ABSOLUTELY. [ APPLAUSE ] WE SHOULD SQUEEZE IN FOR A PHOTO, YOU GUYS. [9:37] MS Society Representative: SURE! [11:00] Elliot Payne: NEXT WE HAVE A RESOLUTION RECOGNIZING RAMADAN WITH AUTHOR COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN. [12:15] Jamal Osman: GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. TODAY WE ARE HERE TO RECOGNIZE THE HOLY MONTH OF RAMADAN. THE HOLY MONTH OF RAMADAN IS OBSERVED BY MUSLIMS WORLDWIDE A A TIME OF FASTING, PRAYER, REFL AND COMMUNITY. THIS HOLIDAY BEGINS AND ENDS WITH THE APPEARANCE OF THE CRESCENT MOOND WHEREAS RAMADAN IS ALSO A TIME GENEROSITY AND SERVICE, WITH INDIVIDUALS AND ORGANIZATIONS COMING TOGETHER TO SUPPORT THOSE IN NEED THROUGH ACTS OF CHARITY AND KINDNESS; AND WHEREAS DURING RAMADAN, MUSLIMS FASTING BETWEEN SUNRISE AND SUNSET. THIS SERVES AS A PRACTICE OF SELF DISCIPLINE, [13:04] Jamal Osman: SPIRITUAL GROWTH, AND EMPATHY FOR THOSE FACING HUNGER AND HARDSHIP; AND WHEREAS THE CALL TO PRAYER AND BREAKING OF THE FAST, OR IFTAR, ARE IMPORTANT TRADITIONS THAT BRING FAMILIES NEIGHBORS, AND FAITH COMMUNITIES TOGETHER IN OBSERVANCE OF THIS SACRED TIME; WHEREAS MINNEAPOLIS IS HOME TO A DIVERSE AND GROWING MUSLIM INCLUDING ONE OF THE LARGEST SOMALI AND EAST AFRICAN COMMUNITIES IN THE NATION WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CULTURAL AND ECONOMIC OF THE CITY; AND WHEREAS INTERFAITH AND CROSS-CU GATHERINGS DURING RAMADAN STRENGTHEN THE CITY'S COMMITMEN TO INCLUSIVITY UNDERSTANDING, AND RESPECT FOR ALL RELIGIOUS [13:52] Jamal Osman: TRADITIONS; AND WHEREAS, IN TIMES OF UNCERTAINTY AND DIVISION, IT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER TO UPHOLD THE VALUES OF COMPASSION SOLIDARITY, AND MUTUAL RESPECT THAT RAMADAN EMBODIES; AND WHEREAS, THIS YEAR, RAMADAN WILL BEGIN AT SUNSET ON FEBRUARY 28 CONTINUE FOR A FULL LUNAR MONTH CONCLUDING WITH THE CELEBRATION OF EID AL-FITR; NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL RECOGNIZES AND HONORS THE HOLY MONTH OF RAMADAN, EXTENDS ITS BEST WISHES TO ALL WHO ARE OBSERVING, AND REAFFIRMS ITS COMMITMENT TO FOSTERING A WELCOMING AND INCLUSIVE CITY FOR PEOPLE OF ALL BACKGROUNDS AND FAITHS. [14:44] Jamal Osman: THIS MONTH HAS BEEN A BLESSING PERSONALLY TO ME AND THE ENTIRE MUSLIM COMMUNITY IN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. IT'S A TIME TO REFLECT. FASTING BRINGS A LOT OF JOY AND HEALTH AND FAMILY COMING TOGETHER AND BREAKING FASTING TOGETHER. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBERS. AND I WILL PASS IT TO COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY. [15:18] Aurin Chowdhury: THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU TO MY MUSLIM COLLEAGUES. I AM EXTREMELY GRATEFUL TO BE HERE FOR ANOTHER RAMADAN. IT IS A REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT MONTH. [15:23] Aurin Chowdhury: NOT ONLY FOR OUR MUSLIM COMMUNITY, BUT OUR COMMUNITIES, IN GENERAL, IN MINNEAPOLIS. THIS IS A TIME WHERE I REALLY LOVE THAT IN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS, PEOPLE PUT UP LAWN SIGNS THAT SAY, "WISHING OUR MUSLIM NEIGHBORS A BLESSED RAMADAN." I APPRECIATE WHEN OUR COMMUNITY CENTERS FILL UP WITH PEOPLE TO GATHER AND BREAK BREAD FROM ACROSS DIFFERENT FAITHS, ETHNICITIES, RELIGIONS. AND GROUPS. TO COME AND UNDERSTAND ONE ANOTHER. I HAVE SO MUCH GRATITUDE FOR OUR MUSLIM COMMUNITY THAT IN THIS MONTH IS REALLY REFLECTING ON THOSE WHO ARE LESS FORTUNATE THAN THEM. [16:02] Aurin Chowdhury: AND ENGAGING IN SELF-DISCIPLINE AND SPIRITUAL GROWTH. ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE IN A HOUSING CRISIS IN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. THERE ARE WARS HAPPENING ACROSS ABROAD THAT ARE TAKING SO MUCH FROM OTHER MUSLIMS AND OTHER PEOPLE IN OUR SHARED WORLD. A MESSAGE THAT I DO WANT TO SHARE, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SHARE THIS RAMADAN, IS THAT REPORT RELEASED BY THE COUNCIL ON AMERICAN-ISLAMIC RELATIONS THIS LAST WEEK SAID THERE WERE OVER 8,658 COMPLAINTS REGARDING ANTI-MUSLIM AND ANTI-ARAB HATE INCIDENTS IN THIS LAST YEAR. [16:42] Aurin Chowdhury: REPRESENTING A 7.4% RISE IN A SINGLE YEAR. THAT WAS THE HIGHEST NUMBER SINCE THE GROUP BEGAN COMPILING DATA IN 1996. I THINK THAT'S REALLY STARTLING. AND I THINK OUR COMMUNITY SHOULD TAKE THAT AS A NOTE THAT WE HAVE TO LEAN IN ON COMBATING HATE IN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS AND AROUND THE WORLD. AND ISLAMOPHOBIA ISN'T SOMETHING THAT IS BACK OF MIND. IT'S REALLY PRESENT RIGHT NOW IN THE UNITED STATES. AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE ALL OF US TO COMBAT IT. [17:20] Aurin Chowdhury: I KNOW THE JOB I TOOK ON A MUSLIM-ELECTED OFFICIAL. I KNOW MY COLLEAGUES KNOW THE JOB THEY TOOK ON, AND THE HATE THEY'D FACE. AND I'VE EXPERIENCED IT MY WHOLE LIFE. IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT ME. I KNOW WHEN I EXPERIENCE HATE AS A MUSLIM-ELECTED OFFICIAL. WHEN I GET COMMENTS, IT EFFECTS THE MUSLIM MEN, WOMEN, IN THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS LOOK UP TO US. [17:50] Aurin Chowdhury: THEY LOOK FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS TO OUT FOR THEM. I THINK THE COUNCIL IS A REPRESENTATION OF THIS. WE'RE A CAUCUS OF FOUR MUSLIMS ON A CITY COUNCIL ACROSS DIFFERENT ETHNIC BACKGROUNDS. WE ALL SPEAK DIFFERENT LANGUAGES. AND THAT IS AMAZING! THAT IS SOMETHING TO HAVE SO MUCH PRIDE IN. I THINK WE HAVE THE MOST MUSLIMS ON ANY CITY COUNCIL IN THE NATION. I KNOW I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A COMMUNITY IFTAR TONIGHT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO. AS PART OF THE ADVICE OF OUR CITY ATTORNEY. [18:30] Aurin Chowdhury: THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK THERE, BUT WON'T DO THAT HERE. BUT I WILL SAY THAT AS A GENERAL ANNOUNCEMENT, WE'RE GOING TO WORK TOWARDS POSTPONING AND DOING AN EVENT WITH COMMUNITY PARTNERS AND FEEDBACK OF HEARING FROM OUR NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO DO AN INTERFAITH IFTAR. NOT IN THIS CAPACITY. [18:52] Aurin Chowdhury: BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO IN BREAKING BREAD AND BEING A PART OF BRINGING OUR COMMUNITIES TOGETHER. AND I JUST THANK MY MUSLIM COUNCILMEMBERS FOR BEING A PART OF THIS. THE COUNCILMEMBERS WHO HAVE BEEN IN ALLYSHIPS WITH US. AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS WHO REACHED OUT. JUST IN THE LAST 24 HOURS. AND I AM JUST SO GRATEFUL TO BE HERE FOR ANOTHER RAMADAN! THIS IS ALSO PROBABLY GOING TO BE OUR LAST RAMADAN AS THIS IS COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON'S LAST TERM. SHOUT OUT TO YOU! I'LL PASS IT OVER TO COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON WITH THAT. [19:32] Jeremiah Ellison: I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF. THAT WAS GREAT. THANK YOU, GUYS. A COUPLE OF YEARS -- IN YEARS PAST, DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS PROBABLY DIDN'T EVEN FEEL ALL THAT POLITICALLY CHARGED. AND SOMEHOW IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, IT FEELS WAY MORE POLITICALLY CHARGED TO STAND UP HERE AND SAY HAVE A BLESSED RAMADAN. AND SORT OF READ THE RESOLUTION. [19:51] Jeremiah Ellison: AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S SIGNIFIER OF HOW THINGS HAVE REALLY REGRESSED AND HOW ACCEPTANCE AND TOLERANCE IN OUR CITY HAS REGRESSED. I'M PROUD IN MY EIGHT YEARS OF -- NOT JUST THE INTERFAITH COALITION WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD DURING THE MONTH OF RAMADAN, BUT THE WAYS IN WHICH I'VE BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT WITH MY COLLEAGUES OVER THE YEARS WITH ALL FAITH BACKGROUNDS TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE STAND TOGETHER. HOW WE'RE STRONGER TOGETHER. AND, YEAH, THIS WILL BE MY LAST TIME BEING HERE AND HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, ENDURE FASTING WITH YOU PEOPLE. [20:27] Jeremiah Ellison: [ LAUGHTER ] BUT, NO. YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GROW AND MATURE AND INCREASE MY LEVEL OF, LIKE, CALM AND HOPEFULLY WISDOM YOU ALWAYS HOPE FOR THAT. RAMADAN HAS BEEN A PART OF THAT FOR ME SINCE I'VE BEEN IN THAT INSTITUTION. ALL OF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN A PART OF THAT PROCESS AND BEEN ACCOMMODATING TO US OVER THE YEARS. AND SO, YOU KNOW, ANY HICCUPS, WE'LL GET OVER. AND WE WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN SERVE OUR COMMUNITY BEST. AND WE CAN HONOR OUR COMMUNITY IN AN INTERFAITH WAY. AND YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO HOLD UP WITH MY COLLEAGUES SAID. IT IS DIFFICULT TO FAST WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT -- I THINK THE WORD "SOLIDARITY" IS IN THE RESOLUTION. WHEN YOU STAND IN [21:13] Jeremiah Ellison: SOLIDARITY WITH PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD, ALL FAITH BACKGROUNDS, BUT CERTAINLY OF THE MUSLIM FAITH, IT'S HARD TO KNOW THAT WHILE YOU ARE GOING THROUGH YOUR FAST IN A SAFE PLACE, REGARDLESS OF INCREASED HATE CRIMES. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE FACING BOMBARDMENT. [21:29] Jeremiah Ellison: THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE FACING CONSTANT FEAR FOR THEIR LIFE. EVEN AS THEY PRACTICE THEIR FAST AND THEIR DISCIPLINE AND GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS. SOME OF US DO THIS FAST AND WE LIVE PRIVILEGED LIVES. AND SOME PEOPLE -- BUT THE POOR STILL FAST. AND PEOPLE LIVING IN WAR ZONES STILL FAST. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE GENOCIDE IN GAZA AND THANK ALL THOSE WHO ARE STANDING IN SOLIDARITY WITH US. THAT'S IT. [ APPLAUSE ] [21:58] Elliot Payne: THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR THOSE PRESENTATIONS. AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO CALL THE REGULAR MEETING FOR MARCH 14th TO ORDER. THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. [22:43] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [22:45] Michael Rainville: PRESENT. [22:46] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ. [22:47] Jason Chavez: PRESENT. [22:48] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER VETAW. [22:49] LaTrisha Vetaw: PRESENT. [22:50] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON. [22:51] Jeremiah Ellison: HERE. [22:52] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER KOSKI. [22:53] Councilmember Koski: PRESENT. [22:54] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY. [22:55] Robin Wonsley: PRESENT. [22:56] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS. [22:57] Andrea Jenkins: PRESENT. [22:58] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO. [22:59] Linea Palmisano: PRESENT. [23:00] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY. [23:01] Aurin Chowdhury: PRESENT. [23:02] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN. [23:03] Gregory Cashman: PRESENT. [23:04] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN. [23:05] Jamal Osman: PRESENT. [23:06] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [23:07] Aisha Chughtai: PRESENT. [23:08] Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE. [23:09] Elliot Payne: PRESENT. [23:10] Casey Carl: 13 MEMBERS PRESENT. [23:18] Elliot Payne: WE HAVE A QUORUM. THE BROADCASTS INCLUDE REAL TIME CAPTIONING AS A FURTHER METHOD TO INCREASE THE ACCESSIBILITY OF OUR PROCEEDINGS TO THE COMMUNITY. THERE ALL SPEAKERS NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE RATE OF OUR SPEECH SO OUR CAPTIONERS CAN FULLY CAPTURE AND TRANSCRIBE ALL COMMENTS FOR THE BROADCAST. [23:37] Elliot Payne: WE ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO MODERATE THE SPEED AND CLARITY OF THEIR COMMENTS. WITH THAT, THE AGENDA FOR TODAY'S MEETING IS BEFORE US. ANY AMENDMENTS TO THE AGENDA? SEEING NONE. MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA. [23:51] Councilmember: SO MOVED. [23:51] Councilmember: SECONDED. [23:52] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [23:53] Michael Rainville: AYE. [23:54] Casey Carl: CHAVEZ. [23:54] Jason Chavez: AYE. [23:55] Casey Carl: VETAW. [23:55] LaTrisha Vetaw: AYE. [23:56] Casey Carl: ELLISON. [23:56] Jeremiah Ellison: AYE. [23:57] Casey Carl: KOSKI. [23:57] Councilmember Koski: AYE. [23:58] Casey Carl: WONSLEY. [23:58] Robin Wonsley: AYE. [23:59] Casey Carl: JENKINS. [23:59] Andrea Jenkins: AYE. [24:00] Casey Carl: PALMISANO. [24:01] Linea Palmisano: AYE. [24:02] Casey Carl: CHOWDHURY. [24:03] Aurin Chowdhury: AYE. [24:08] Casey Carl: CASHMAN. [24:08] Gregory Cashman: AYE. [24:09] Casey Carl: OSMAN. [24:09] Jamal Osman: AYE. [24:10] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [24:10] Aisha Chughtai: AYE. [24:11] Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE. [24:11] Elliot Payne: AYE. [24:12] Casey Carl: 13 AYES. [24:13] Elliot Payne: THAT CARRIES. AND THE AGENDA IS ADOPTED. THE NEXT ITEM IS ACCEPTANCE OF MINUTES FROM OUR REGULAR MEETING OF FEBRUARY 27th. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ACCEPT THOSE MINUTES. [24:22] Councilmember: SO MOVED. [24:23] Councilmember: SECOND. [24:24] Casey Carl: RAINVILLE. [24:25] Michael Rainville: AYE. [24:26] Casey Carl: CHAVEZ. [24:26] Jason Chavez: AYE. [24:27] Casey Carl: VETAW. [24:27] LaTrisha Vetaw: AYE. [24:28] Casey Carl: ELLISON. [24:28] Jeremiah Ellison: AYE. [24:29] Casey Carl: KOSKI. [24:29] Councilmember Koski: AYE. [24:30] Casey Carl: WONSLEY. [24:30] Robin Wonsley: AYE. [24:31] Casey Carl: JENKINS. [24:31] Andrea Jenkins: AYE. [24:32] Casey Carl: PALMISANO. [24:32] Linea Palmisano: AYE. [24:33] Casey Carl: CHOWDHURY. [24:33] Aurin Chowdhury: AYE. [24:38] Casey Carl: CASHMAN. [24:38] Gregory Cashman: AYE. [24:39] Casey Carl: OSMAN. [24:39] Jamal Osman: AYE. [24:40] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [24:40] Aisha Chughtai: AYE. [24:41] Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE. [24:41] Elliot Payne: AYE. [24:42] Casey Carl: 13 AYES. [24:43] Elliot Payne: THAT CARRIES AND THOSE MINUTES HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED. FINALLY, WE HAVE THE REFERRAL PETITIONS COMMUNICATIONS AND REPORTS TO PROPER COMMITTEES. MAY I HAVE THAT MOTION PLEASE. [24:53] Councilmember: SO MOVED. [24:54] Councilmember: SECOND. [24:55] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [24:55] Michael Rainville: AYE. [24:56] Casey Carl: CHAVEZ. [24:56] Jason Chavez: AYE. [24:57] Casey Carl: VETAW. [24:57] LaTrisha Vetaw: AYE. [24:58] Casey Carl: ELLISON. [24:58] Jeremiah Ellison: AYE. [24:59] Casey Carl: KOSKI. [24:59] Councilmember Koski: AYE. [25:00] Casey Carl: WONSLEY. [25:00] Robin Wonsley: AYE. [25:01] Casey Carl: JENKINS. [25:01] Andrea Jenkins: AYE. [25:02] Casey Carl: PALMISANO. [25:02] Linea Palmisano: AYE. [25:03] Casey Carl: CHOWDHURY. [25:03] Aurin Chowdhury: AYE. [25:04] Casey Carl: CASHMAN. [25:09] Gregory Cashman: AYE. [25:10] Casey Carl: OSMAN. [25:10] Jamal Osman: AYE. [25:11] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [25:11] Aisha Chughtai: AYE. [25:12] Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE. [25:12] Elliot Payne: AYE. [25:13] Casey Carl: 13 AYES. [25:14] Elliot Payne: THAT CARRIES AND THOSE MATTERS HAVE BEEN REFERRED. THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS PRESENTATIONS OF REPORTS FROM THE STANDING COMMITTEES. WE BEGIN WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND ENTERPRISE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. PRESENTED BY COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY, THE CHAIR OF THAT COMMITTEE. [25:34] Robin Wonsley: THANK YOU. THE ADMINISTRATION AND ENTERPRISE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE IS BRINGING FORWARD 12 ITEMS. THE FIRST IS A BID FOR CONSTRUCTION OF A VALVE VAULT AROUND MINNEAPOLIS AND GOLDEN VALLEY WATERMAINS. NUMBER TWO IS A BID FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE FIRST PHASE OF THE BIOCHAR PRODUCTION FACILITY. NUMBER THREE IS A CONTRACT WITH FCC ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES MINNESOTA, LLC FOR THE OPERATION OF THE CITY'S SOUTH SIDE MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE TRANSFER STATION. FOUR IS A CONTRACT WITH METERELLC FOR ADVERTISING SERVICES FOR HEALTH DEPARTMENT. FIVE IS A CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH MEYER CONTRACTING, INC. FOR THE HENNEPIN AVENUE SOUTH STREET RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT. SIX IS A CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH AUTO [26:19] Robin Wonsley: TRUCK SERVICE COMPANY INC. FOR COLLISION AND MECHANICAL REPAIR. SEVEN IS A CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH SHORT ELLIOT HENDRICKSON, INC. FOR ENGINEERING AND DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE MINNEAPOLIS HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT AND SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROJECTS. [26:36] Robin Wonsley: EIGHT IS A CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH NATIVE AMERICAN COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT INSTITUTE FOR FISCAL AGENT SERVICES FOR THE AMERICAN INDIAN MOU FOR METROPOLITAN URBAN INDIAN DIRECTORS. NINE IS A CONTRACT EXTENSION WITH THE VARIOUS VENDORS FOR CUSTOMIZED SAFETY TRAINING AND TRAINING SERVICES. 10 IS A LEGAL SETTLEMENT JON SHANAHAN V CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. [27:04] Robin Wonsley: 11 IS A GIFT ACCEPTANCE FOR COALITION OF LARGE PUBLIC HOUSING AUTHORITIES. AND 12 IS A URBAN SCHOLARS FUNDING CONTRACT FROM PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS. I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS AND MOVE APPROVAL OF ALL ITEMS. [27:27] Elliot Payne: COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY HAS MOVED APPROVAL OF THE COMMITTEE'S REPORT. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. CALL THE ROLL. [27:32] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [27:32] Michael Rainville: AYE. [27:33] Casey Carl: CHAVEZ. [27:33] Jason Chavez: AYE. [27:34] Casey Carl: VETAW. [27:34] LaTrisha Vetaw: AYE. [27:35] Casey Carl: ELLISON. [27:35] Jeremiah Ellison: AYE. [27:36] Casey Carl: KOSKI. [27:36] Councilmember Koski: AYE. [27:37] Casey Carl: WONSLEY. [27:37] Robin Wonsley: AYE. [27:38] Casey Carl: JENKINS. [27:38] Andrea Jenkins: AYE. [27:39] Casey Carl: PALMISANO. [27:39] Linea Palmisano: AYE. [27:40] Casey Carl: CHOWDHURY. [27:40] Aurin Chowdhury: AYE. [27:41] Casey Carl: CASHMAN. [27:41] Gregory Cashman: AYE. [27:42] Casey Carl: OSMAN. [27:42] Jamal Osman: AYE. [27:43] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [27:43] Aisha Chughtai: AYE. [27:44] Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE. [27:44] Elliot Payne: AYE. [27:45] Casey Carl: 13 AYES. [27:46] Elliot Payne: THAT CARRIES. THE NEXT REPORT FROM THE BUDGET COMMITTEE AND THAT WILL BE PRESENTED BY THE COMMITTEE'S CHAIR, VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [27:58] Aisha Chughtai: THANK YOU BRINGING FORWARD ONE ITEM TODAY. A PASSAGE OF RESOLUTION AND PROVING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR THE 2025 LOCAL BOARD OF APPEAL AND EQUALIZATION. I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM. [28:18] Elliot Payne: MOVED FOR APPROVAL. DISCUSSION? [28:20] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [28:21] Michael Rainville: AYE. [28:22] Casey Carl: CHAVEZ. [28:22] Jason Chavez: AYE. [28:23] Casey Carl: VETAW. [28:23] LaTrisha Vetaw: AYE. [28:24] Casey Carl: ELLISON. [28:24] Jeremiah Ellison: AYE. [28:25] Casey Carl: KOSKI. [28:25] Councilmember Koski: AYE. [28:26] Casey Carl: WONSLEY. [28:26] Robin Wonsley: AYE. [28:27] Casey Carl: JENKINS. [28:27] Andrea Jenkins: AYE. [28:28] Casey Carl: PALMISANO. [28:28] Linea Palmisano: AYE. [28:29] Casey Carl: CHOWDHURY. [28:29] Aurin Chowdhury: AYE. [28:34] Casey Carl: CASHMAN. [28:34] Gregory Cashman: AYE. [28:35] Casey Carl: OSMAN. [28:35] Jamal Osman: AYE. [28:36] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [28:36] Aisha Chughtai: AYE. [28:37] Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE. [28:37] Elliot Payne: AYE. [28:38] Casey Carl: THAT CARRIES AND THE REPORT IS ADOPTED. [28:46] Elliot Payne: NEXT THE REPORT FROM OUR BUSINESS, HOUSING, AND ZONING COMMITTEE WHICH WILL BE GIVEN BY THE COMMITTEE'S CHAIR. [28:53] Jamal Osman: BRINGING 12 ITEMS TO TODAY. ONE IS A LIQUOR LICENSE LIMITED ENTERTAINMENT. TWO IS APPROVING OPERATING CONDITION ON 22 RENTAL DWELLING LICENSE. COLLEAGUES, WE RECEIVED FINDING OF THE FACT FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY OFFICE IN OUR E-MAIL. AND THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE LIMS FILE. FOUR IS [29:39] Jamal Osman: A CONSIDERING A VARIANCE APPEAL FROM TREVOR BUTKIWICZ FOR A VARIANCE APPEAL FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 241 FIFTH AVENUE NORTH. THIS ITEM WAS SENT FORWARD WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. [29:54] Jamal Osman: FIVE IS DENYING APPEAL SUBMITTED BY JOEL ALBERS REGARDING HPC DECISION TO APPROVE DEMOLITION AT THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3501 AVENUE. SIX IS APPROVING TWO LIQUOR LICENSES. SEVEN IS APPROVING 11 LICENSES RENEWALS. [30:12] Jamal Osman: EIGHT IS APPROVING LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE REGARDING THE CITY TENANT RELOCATION ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. CENTER LINE AUTHORIZING CONTRACT WITH MNDOT AND GOODSPACE MURALS AND LAKE BRIDGE. 10 IS A PASSAGE OF RESOLUTION ACCEPTING AUTHORIZING 2024 BROWNFIELD GRANTS. 11 IS A PASSAGE OF RESOLUTION FOR THE BRIDGE FUND DANCE PROGRAM. AND LASTLY, ITEM 12, IS A PASSAGE OF RESOLUTION APPROVING THE BUDGET AND CONTINUED OPERATION FOR THE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM AT THE MACPHAIL CENTER FOR MUSIC. I'LL MOVE APPROVAL FOR ALL ITEMS, EXCEPT FOUR I'LL PULL ASIDE FOR [30:58] Jamal Osman: A SEPARATE VOTE. THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. [31:10] Elliot Payne: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN MOVED APPROVAL OF THE REPORT, MINUS ITEM FOUR. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE REMAINDER OF THE REPORT? COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [31:13] Michael Rainville: MR. PRESIDENT, I'M IN LINE FOR NUMBER FOUR. [31:15] Elliot Payne: GOT IT. COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN SAME? [31:18] Gregory Cashman: I WANTED TO SPEAK TO A COUPLE OF ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE LIQUOR LICENSE IN THE SEVENTH WARD. THIS BUILDING IS UNDERGONE A TRANSFORMATION IN THE PAST YEAR. [31:31] Gregory Cashman: AND NOW HOSTING A GALLERY AND NOW HAS THIS COLOMBIAN COCKTAIL BAR. IT WAS A JOURNEY FOR THE ENTREPRENEURS TO GET TO THIS POINT. I'M EXCITED FOR THEM TO HAVE THIS AND WANTED TO ALSO JUST SPEAK TO NUMBER 11, THE BRIDGE FUND FOR DANCE PROGRAM. [31:48] Gregory Cashman: THESE ARE THE GUIDELINES THAT GRANT PROGRAM WILL BE SUPPORTING THE ARTISTS WHO THE DANCE COMMUNITY WORKING OUT OF THE COWLES CENTER THAT CLOSED LAST YEAR. AND IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING BACK UP INTO OPERATING CONDITIONS. SO EXCITED THIS IS COME FORWARD. AND GRATEFUL FOR THE ARTS AND CULTURAL AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT FOR CHAMPIONS ARE ARTISTS IN OUR COMMUNITY AS A STRONG REVITALIZATION IN OUR COMMUNITY. [32:17] Elliot Payne: COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON. [32:19] Jeremiah Ellison: I WANTED TO BRIEFLY HIGHLIGHT THIS AT COMMITTEE. I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT IT HERE. NINE WHICH IS GOODSPACE PUBLIC MURALS PROJECT. AND I WANT TO THANK -- THIS IS GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANTLY LARGE MURAL. YOU GUYS KNOW I'M A FORMER MURAL PAINTER. I NEVER WORKED WITH GOODSPACE AS AN ORGANIZATION, BUT SOME OF THE ARTISTS WHO RUN IT, YOU KNOW, WERE AROUND WHEN I WAS STARTING EARLY IN MY CAREER. [32:42] Jeremiah Ellison: IT'S COOL TO SEE THEM TAKING ON PROJECTS THAT ARE MASSIVE IN THIS WAY! AND IT'S SUCH A COME UP FOR THOSE ARTISTS AND FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CONTRACT WITH THEM AND HAVE THEM DO THIS MURAL IN CONJUNCTION WITH MNDOT. IN ADDITION, JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT MARY ALTMAN. MARY HAS BEEN DOING BIG THINGS AT THE CITY. ALL THE PUBLIC ART YOU SEE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, I WON'T SAY ALL OF IT, BUT MARY HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH SO MUCH OF THE PUBLIC ART WE HAVE SEEN IN COMMUNITY AND SO I THINK THAT HER GOOD WORK CONTINUES HERE BRINGING PROJECTS ALONG. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE WAYS IN WHICH STAFF AND MAYBE STAFFS ARE UNDERSUNG. ARE MAKING OUR CITY SUCH AN AWESOME AND [33:28] Jeremiah Ellison: BEAUTIFUL PLACE. THANKS TO MARY! [33:38] Elliot Payne: SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN QUEUE, I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL ON THE REPORT MINUS ITEM NUMBER FOUR. [33:43] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [33:44] Michael Rainville: AYE. [33:44] Casey Carl: CHAVEZ. [33:45] Jason Chavez: AYE. [33:45] Casey Carl: VETAW. [33:46] LaTrisha Vetaw: AYE. [33:46] Casey Carl: ELLISON. [33:47] Jeremiah Ellison: AYE. [33:48] Casey Carl: KOSKI. [33:48] Councilmember Koski: AYE. [33:49] Casey Carl: WONSLEY. [33:49] Robin Wonsley: AYE. [33:50] Casey Carl: JENKINS. [33:50] Andrea Jenkins: AYE. [33:51] Casey Carl: PALMISANO. [33:51] Linea Palmisano: AYE. [33:52] Casey Carl: CHOWDHURY. [33:52] Aurin Chowdhury: AYE. [33:53] Casey Carl: CASHMAN. [33:53] Gregory Cashman: AYE. [33:54] Casey Carl: OSMAN. [33:54] Jamal Osman: AYE. [33:55] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI IS ABSENT. PRESIDENT PAYNE. [33:56] Elliot Payne: AYE. [33:57] Casey Carl: 12 AYES. [33:58] Elliot Payne: THAT CARRIES. AND THOSE ITEMS ARE ADOPTED. NEXT WE WILL TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER FOUR, AND I'LL RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN. [34:07] Jamal Osman: I WILL PASS IT TO COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN OR RAINVILLE. [34:10] Michael Rainville: THANK YOU SO MUCH -- [34:11] Elliot Payne: MICROPHONE. [34:12] Michael Rainville: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN, I HAVE THIS, PLEASE, COUNCILMEMBERS SPEAK UP, AS WELL. THIS IS A UNIQUE BUILDING THAT IS CONNECTED BY A UTILITY CORRIDOR OVER AN ALLEY. IT PRESENTS A LOT OF PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES FOR THE SIGNAGE. [34:34] Michael Rainville: WE HAD A GREAT DISCUSSION AT COMMITTEE ABOUT THIS. THAT'S WHY IT WAS FORWARDED WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. WE ARE GOING TO GIVE OUR ATTORNEYS TIME TO LOOK INTO THIS A LITTLE DEEPER. AND I SEE THE ATTORNEY OUT THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR HELP IN THIS. BUT THIS IS A COMPANY THAT HAS 150 JOBS. [34:51] Michael Rainville: THAT WANTS TO MOVE INTO THE NORTH LOOP. THEY WANT TO PUT A SIGNAGE, SMALL SIGN UP ON A BUILDING AWAY FROM WASHINGTON. AND I WENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP MEETING, THEY TALKED ABOUT THIS. AND THEY HAVE AGREED THIS IS NOT OBTRUSIVE. THERE ARE MANY SIGNS LIKE THIS ALONG WASHINGTON THAT HAVE BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN. AND I PROMISE ALL MY COLLEAGUES THAT COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN AND I, GOING FORWARD, WILL WORK WITH OUR STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOES NOT EVER HAPPEN AGAIN. [35:19] Michael Rainville: THAT OUR RULES CLEARLY STATE THAT THIS TYPE OF SIGNAGE IS ALLOWED RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THANK YOU. [35:34] Jeremiah Ellison: I WELCOME COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN GOING FIRST, IF YOU PREFER. [35:38] Gregory Cashman: THANK YOU. I WANTED TO FORMALLY MAKE THE MOTION TO GRANT APPEAL. BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF FACT, WHICH ARE IN FRONT OF US HERE TODAY. AND THERE'S A COPY FOR EACH OF YOU SUMMARIZING IT. PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES DO EXIST BASED ON THE SKYWAY THAT CONNECTS THE BUILDING FOR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. SECONDLY, THEY PROPROSE TO USE THE PROPERTY IN REASONABLE MANNER. AND IT TELLS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE PROPOSED VARIANCE WILL NOT ALTER THE CHARACTER TO THE LOCALITY. THANK YOU. [36:18] Elliot Payne: COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN HAS MOVED APPROVAL OF THE ITEM. A SECOND? [36:20] Councilmember: SECOND. [36:21] Elliot Payne: COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON. [36:29] Jeremiah Ellison: THANK YOU. I HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK OVER OUR COLLEAGUES' WORK. IT IS WITH A LOT OF SADNESS I'M GOING TO SAY I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS TODAY. BUT I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY. AND I DO HOPE THAT MY COLLEAGUES WILL JOIN ME. ALTHOUGH, YOU KNOW, I GET THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SIGNAGE DOWNTOWN, IT'S NOT THE MOST SUBSEQUENT MATTER WE DEAL WITH. I CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. WHEN IT COMES TO ZONING AND WHEN IT COMES TO THE RULES, AND HOW WE APPLY THEM, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A BAD PRECEDENT FOR US TO PROCEED IN THIS WAY. [37:02] Jeremiah Ellison: THIS IS A MANNER THAT -- THIS IS AN ITEM THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED THROUGH LEGISLATION. AND I WANT TO JUST TAKE A QUICK MOMENT TO REMIND OUR COLLEAGUES, WHEN WE MAKE DECISIONS IN THIS CAPACITY, WE DON'T MAKE THEM AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY. THE WAY THAT WE DO WHEN WE PASS AN ORDINANCE. WHEN WE MAKE DECISIONS IN THIS CAPACITY, WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS AS A JUDICIARY. WE MAKE THIS DECISION AS JUDGES. AND WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE LAW. [37:31] Jeremiah Ellison: AND IF WE DON'T LIKE THE LAW, OR WE THINK IT'S A LITTLE ARBITRARY, OR WE THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN EXEMPTION FOR DOWNTOWN FOR THIS SORT OF THING, THEN I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND WE HAVE THE DISCRETION TO MAKE LEGISLATIVE CHANGES. TO MAKE THIS ALLOWABLE. I THINK THAT AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD MAKE THIS ALLOWABLE COULD HAPPEN PRETTY QUICKLY. BUT BY MAKING THIS DECISION BY LEGISLATING IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL MANNER, WE RUN THE RISK OF SETTING PRECEDENCE. [38:03] Jeremiah Ellison: AND I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES IT CAN FEEL LIKE "WHAT IS ONE LITTLE SIGN AT THE TOP OF A BUILDING? WHAT PRECEDENT CAN IT SET?" AND THE SHORT ANSWER, AND I THINK IT'S A SCARY ANSWER, I DON'T KNOW THE FULL PRECEDENT IT COULD SET. BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME AND MAKE A PROPOSAL THAT HAD THE SAME ELEMENTS, THE SAME BUILDING BLOCKS AS THIS ONE, AND WE SAID, "ACTUALLY, THAT IS OVERREACH. WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT SIGN IN THAT ALLEY. WE DON'T THINK BUILDING THAT SHARES MECHANICALS CONSTITUTES ONE BUILDING. WE THINK IT'S TWO BUILDINGS.." IF WE SET THAT PRECEDENT, I THINK WE WEAKEN OUR ABILITY TO HOLD THE LINE ON THINGS WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE. [38:49] Jeremiah Ellison: AND I SAY THAT FULLY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, AT ITS FACE, NOT THAT BIG OF DEAL TO ME. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY IN WHICH WE GET TO MAKE THE DECISION. WE DON'T GET TO MAKE THE DECISION AT FACE VALUE. EVERY QUASI-JUDICIAL DECISION WE MAKE SETS PRECEDENT. WHILE THESE FINDINGS OF FACT, AND MY COLLEAGUES DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO TALK TO THE ATTORNEYS AND PUT THESE FINDINGS OF FACTS TOGETHER. I DO THINK -- I ACTUALLY FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO ASK THAT DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE ATTORNEYS' OFFICE DID PUT THE FINDINGS TOGETHER. THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SUPPORTS STAFF'S ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION, IS THAT CORRECT? MAYBE JOEL IS WELCOME TO COME UP. [39:35] Elliot Payne: DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? IF YOU COULD START BY INTRODUCING YOURSELF. [39:40] Joel Fussy: CERTAINLY. COUNCILMEMBERS, JOEL FUSSY, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, AND THE STAFF REPORT IN THIS MATTER HAS NOT CHANGED. I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S THE CITY ATTORNEY'S ROLE, NECESSARILY, TO SUPPORT ONE VIEW OR THE OTHER. I WILL SAY, IN THIS MATTER, WHEN IT COMES TO VARIANCES AND A LOT OF LAND USE APPLICATIONS, THERE ARE SOME WHERE THERE IS AN ANSWER, I THINK. AND THERE IS, PROBABLY, ONE SUPPORTABLE OUTCOME. THERE ARE, ALSO, LARGE AMOUNT OF LAND USE APPLICATIONS. AND I BELIEVE THIS ONE WOULD FALL INTO IT WHERE DEPENDING UPON THE DIFFERING VIEWS THAT THE [40:26] Joel Fussy: DECISION MAKERS, WHICH WILL BE ALL OF YOU, HAVE WITH REGARD TO THE RECORD IN FRONT OF YOU. DIFFERENT CONCLUSIONS COULD BE MADE. IN THIS CASE, THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES AND THE UNIQUENESSES OF THE PROPERTY. SO I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SCENARIOS WHERE PROBABLY EACH DECISION SET COULD BE THAT IS LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE. BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY STATE THAT THE POSITION OF THE STAFF, WITH REGARD TO THIS MATTER WHO DOES MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION, DOES REMAIN WITH THE STAFF REPORT. [41:00] Joel Fussy: AND I THINK THAT'S HOW I WOULD FRAME THE ISSUE FOR YOU, AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. [41:51] Elliot Payne: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY. [41:53] Aurin Chowdhury: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID, COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON. FOR ME, WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS IN COMMITTEE, WE WERE LOOKING AT, LIKE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION. THEIRS WAS NOT TO RECOMMEND TO GRANT THE VARIANCE. HOWEVER, I DO THINK IT WAS WORTH US KIND OF TAKING LOOK AT IT. AND I DID SHARE WITH COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN AND COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE THAT COMING TOGETHER WITH SOME FINDINGS OF FACT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. AND THAT'S WHY WE ULTIMATELY ENDED UP -- I ULTIMATELY ENDED UP SUPPORTING MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. I KNOW WE HAVE THOSE FINDINGS OF FACTS BEFORE [42:33] Aurin Chowdhury: US NOW. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE COULD HAVE MR. FUSSY COME AND KIND OF SUMMARIZE THE FINDINGS OF FACT. SO IT'S IN THE PUBLIC RECORD. FOR THOSE THAT ARE FOLLOWING ALONG. AND THEN JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BEFORE. SO THROUGH THE CHAIR, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. [43:03] Elliot Payne: MR. FUSSEY. [43:08] Joel Fussy: COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE, COUNCILMEMBERS. THE FINDINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR ANY VARIANCE ARE THREE-PRONGED. AND THEY ALL CENTER UPON THE CONCEPT OF PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES. SO THAT MEANS IT GENERALLY LOOKS AT THE UNIQUENESSES OR THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT MIGHT EXIST AT A PROPERTY THAT MIGHT CREATE CHALLENGES IN COMPLYING WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES ON ITS FACE. AND I THINK THE STAFF REPORT CERTAINLY RECOGNIZES THAT THERE ARE -- THIS IS A UNIQUE PROPERTY, IN TERMS OF ITS SHAPE. [43:38] Joel Fussy: IN TERMS OF THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE ON IT. AND IN TERMS OF THE STREET FRONTAGE THAT IS ON IT. THERE IS ONE STREET ON THE PRIMARY WALL, WHICH DEAD ENDS. THERE'S ANOTHER WALL THAT IS VIEWED AS A PRIMARY WALL UNDER THE ZONING CODE, WHICH IS ON A, I BELIEVE, A ONE-WAY STREET. [43:59] Joel Fussy: AND THEN WASHINGTON AVENUE, WHICH IS THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE, CERTAINLY, DOES NOT ABUT WHAT WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS A PRIMARY WALL UNDER THE BASIC TENANTS OF THE ZONING CODE. THE STAFF REPORT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF WHEN IT GOES THROUGH THAT ANALYSIS, AND IT REACHES THE CONCLUSION THAT THERE ARE, ESSENTIALLY, THE OTHER TWO PRIMARY WALLS THAT STILL COULD BE UTILIZED FOR SIGNAGE IN THIS MATTER. THE FINDINGS THAT ARE PROPOSED BY THE MOVEMENTS IN THIS CASE, PUT MORE WEIGHT INTO THE WEAKNESS OF THE PROPERTY CONFIGURATION. AND SO THE SIGNAGE CHALLENGES THAT ARE PRESENT WITH THE PROPERTY. [44:41] Joel Fussy: AND THEN, ALSO, GIVE SOME WEIGHT TO THE REASONABLENESS OF THE ASK, IN TERMS OF THE SIGN SIZE AND ITS LIGHTING ARE LESS INTRUSIVE AND LESS BULKY THAN WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER THE ZONING CODE. SO THAT, ALSO, IS A FAKE FACTOR THAT WEIGHS INTO THE POSITION IN THIS MATTER. BUT, ESSENTIALLY, IT COMES DOWN TO ANY PERSON, INDIVIDUAL COUNCILMEMBER SITTING IN QUASI-JUDICIAL CAPACITY TO USE THEIR OWN JUDGMENT AND EXPERIENCES AND VALUES AND ASCERTAIN WHAT THEY SEE WITH REGARD TO THOSE FINDINGS. SO ULTIMATELY IT'S UP TO YOU TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION OF WHETHER YOU THINK THE UNIQUENESSES OF THIS PROPERTY DOES EQUATE TO A PRACTICAL [45:28] Joel Fussy: DIFFICULTY AND WHETHER THIS ASK IS REASONABLE. AS I SAID, I THINK IT'S ONE WHERE IT'S MAYBE A CLOSE CASE. GENERALLY REVIEWING COURTS PROVIDE A GREAT DEAL OF DISCRETION TO LOCALIZED LAND USE DECISIONS, AS LONG AS THERE IS A RATIONAL BASIS, A CLEAR RECORD IN FINDINGS DISCUSSING THE DECISION THAT IS MADE. I THINK THAT IN EITHER CASE, THAT STANDARD WOULD BE MET. THANK YOU. [45:54] Aurin Chowdhury: THANK YOU. I HAVE JUST ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR MR. FUSSY. IT'S RELATED TO THE COMMENTS THAT COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON MADE. WHAT IS YOUR ANALYSIS ON SHOULD ANOTHER VARIANCE COME BEFORE US FOR SIGNAGE ON A NONPRIMARY BUILDING WALL, SHOULD THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL HAVE TO TAKE THAT UP? AND SHOULD WE TAKE A DIFFERENT POSITION MAYBE DENYING A VARIANCE, WHAT WOULD THE IMPACTS OF THIS ACTION BE, IN TERMS OF SETTING PRECEDENCE AND IMPACTING OUR ABILITY IN THE FUTURE. AND, AGAIN, TO LOCALIZE LAND USE DECISIONS. [47:01] Joel Fussy: THANK YOU. AND THROUGH PRESIDENT PAYNE, COUNCILMEMBERS, THE GENERAL RULE, ACTUALLY, IS THAT THESE INDIVIDUAL VARIANCE DECISIONS DO NOT SET PRECEDENT. THAT BEING SAID, EVERY APPLICANT IN THE REAL WORLD IS GOING TO LOOK AT SIMILARLY SITUATED HISTORICAL RECORDS OR PRECEDENCE. IT CERTAINLY COULD BE BROUGHT UP. IT COULD CERTAINLY BE POINTED TO. THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE PROPERTY. [47:06] Joel Fussy: THERE'S GOING TO BE SLIGHT DIFFERENCES WITHIN SET UP WITH REGARD TO SIGNAGE, PRIMARY WALL STRUCTURES, BULKAGE. SO THE GENERAL RULE, THERE ISN'T NECESSARILY HARD AND FAST PRECEDENT THAT IS SET WITH REGARD TO GRANTING OR DENYING OF VARIANCES OR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. THAT BEING SAID, IT IS A FACTOR. IT CAN BE USED AS A FACTOR IN ARGUMENTS IN THE FUTURE. IT DOES NOT ESTABLISH A BRIGHTLINE RULE. THANK YOU. [47:45] Aurin Chowdhury: THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR YOU, MR. FUSSY. I APPRECIATE IT. I'M JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO DISCUSSION THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE. FOR COLLEAGUES NOT ON THE BIZ COMMITTEE, TO GIVE YOU AN UNDERSTANDING, THIS IS TO GIVE SIGNAGE, I WOULD SAY JPMORGAN, ON THIS BUILDING WALL THAT IS PRETTY -- THERE'S NO SIGNAGE ON IT. AND IT'S ON A NONPRIMARY BUILDING WALL. BUT IT'S TO HELP WAYFINDING TO WHERE THE PARKING IS. SO JUST GIVING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A VISUAL AID FOR ANYONE ELSE LISTENING IN. [48:11] Elliot Payne: COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY. [48:13] Robin Wonsley: THANK YOU, PRESIDENT PAYNE. UMM, YEAH. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH THE QUASI-JUDICIAL MEETING. I APPRECIATE THE FINDINGS OF FACT AND RECOMMENDS FOR THE CATHERINE HILL PART BEING INCLUDED. BECAUSE IN TERMS OF THAT REFERENCE POINT OF WHAT PRECEDENT WE WOULD BE SETTING AND THINKING THROUGH THE SUBJECTIVE CONDITIONS WHERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE ASKING YOU ALL FOR THESE VARIANCES. AND IN THIS CASE, I AM TRYING TO PAIR BOTH THIS REQUEST BEING MADE BY THE REQUESTER FOR A PARKING LOT [48:58] Robin Wonsley: TO SUPPORT JPMORGAN. AND THEN WHAT I RECALL FOR CATHERINE HILL, IT WAS VERY HARD TO WATCH THAT ONE. WHERE THERE, ALSO, WAS ASKING FOR A VARIANCE TO SUPPORT A VULNERABLE ADULT THAT WAS LIVING WITH THEM. AND MY CONCERN, FOR SURE, OR WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEYS, POSSIBLY, OR EVEN MAYBE QUASI-JUDICIAL MEMBERS SHOULD THE VARIANCE THAT COUNCILMEMBERS CASHMAN AND RAINVILLE PASSED, JUST THINKING OF PARITY. IS THERE -- PARITY. IS THERE A WAY TO REVISIT THE CATHERINE HILL VARIANCE? [49:45] Jeremiah Ellison: I'M HAPPY TO CHIME IN. [49:47] Elliot Payne: COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON. [49:48] Jeremiah Ellison: THE TWO ITEMS ARE UNRELATED. ONE WE HAVE TAKEN UP. WHAT I WILL SAY, WHEN WE REVIEW WERE CATHERINE HILL'S APPLICATION, IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO STICK TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW. BECAUSE CERTAINLY FROM -- THERE WERE A LOT OF CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WERE NOT ALLOWED TO CONSIDER IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL MANNER THAT CAME UP DURING THAT MEETING. AND IF WE WERE NOT MAKING THE DECISION -- IF WE WERE MAKING THE DECISION LEGISLATIVELY, THEN [50:20] Jeremiah Ellison: I WOULD HAVE WANT TO GIVE THAT APPLICANT EVERYTHING THEY ASKED FOR. BUT WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL MANNER. AND IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE TO DO SO. THAT'S MY POSITION. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT THE RULES ARE FLEXIBLE FOR JPMORGAN CHASE, THEN I PUT ON THE TABLE THAT WE SHOULD -- I WOULD MOVE TO RECONSIDER CATHERINE HILL. IF THE RULES DON'T MATTER FOR JPMORGAN CHASE, THEN THE RULES SHOULDN'T MATTER. THAT'S MY POSITION. [51:14] Robin Wonsley: AND THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE SEPARATE MATTERS. I WAS CONFUSED WHY THIS WAS INCLUDED WITH ITEM NUMBER FOUR. THE FINDING AND FACTS FOR CATHERINE HILL, IF THAT WAS NOT ATTACHED TO -- I SEE SOME MEMBERS SHAKING THEIR HEADS. DID THE AUTHORS PROVIDE THIS? OR DID STAFF PROVIDE COPIES? OH, OKAY. GREAT. TO GIVE CONTEXT FOR THAT. OKAY. YOU PROVIDED THAT CLARIFICATION AND -- YEAH. I, ALSO, WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE VARIANCE. BUT I AM INTERESTED, TOO, IN LOOKING AT IF WE'RE ADJUSTING STANDARDS OR MAKING THEM MORE FLEXIBLE, REVISITING THIS, IF THERE IS A PATHWAY TO DO SO FOR THE CATHERINE HILL VARIANCE. [51:42] Elliot Payne: COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS. [51:44] Andrea Jenkins: THANK YOU, PRESIDENT PAYNE. YOU KNOW, I GUESS I WOULD JUST COMMENT THAT I THINK THE REASON WHY WE HAVE AN APPEALS PROCESS IS SO THAT WE CAN CONSIDER THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT ANY APPLICANT IS FACING. IF WE ARE ONLY GOING TO FOLLOW THE RULE OF LAW, THEN THERE'S NO POINT IN HAVING A VARIANCE PROCESS TO CONSIDER THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT A PARTICULAR [52:28] Andrea Jenkins: LAND USE OR BUSINESS USE, IN SOME CASES, OR HOMEOWNERS, AS IN THE CASE OF CATHERINE HILL. THERE IS NO REASON FOR US TO HAVE A VARIANCE PROCESS OR THESE JUDICIAL HEARINGS, IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO USE OUR OWN EXPERIENCES, DISCRETION TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE UNIQUENESSES OF THAT SITUATION. AND APPLY THE RULES AS WE SEE FIT. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK EACH OF THESE CASES ARE INDIVIDUAL CASES WHEN THEY COME BEFORE US. AND WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM AS SUCH. [53:15] Andrea Jenkins: SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS VARIANCE. I THINK THIS IS A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE AN ORGANIZATION SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST IDENTIFY THEMSELVES AS MOST BUSINESSES DO. AND TO HELP THEIR CLIENTS FIND THEIR LOCATION. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. [53:50] Elliot Payne: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [53:52] Michael Rainville: THANK YOU. SO I HAVE TWO POINTS HERE. FIRST, TO ADDRESS COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY'S CONCERN THAT THE APPLICANT FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE, CATHERINE HILL, DID NOT LEAVE HER SATISFIED. AND COUNCILMEMBER VETAW, THIS IS IN YOUR WARD. YOU CAME AND SPOKE. PERHAPS YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO ALL OF US HOW PLEASED CATHERINE WAS WHEN SHE WALKED OUT OF THESE CHAMBERS. [54:19] LaTrisha Vetaw: COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU CALLING ON ME FOR THIS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO POLITICIZE THIS MATTER. THIS WAS A VERY DIFFICULT THING FOR CATHERINE HILL AND HER MOM AND THEIR FAMILY TO COME DOWN TO CITY HALL, BE VERY PERSONAL ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE FACING IN THEIR HOUSE, WITH THEIR FAMILY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I PERSONALLY SEE THIS AS TWO DIFFERENT MATTERS. I DON'T APPRECIATE IT BEING BROUGHT UP AS A COUNTER TO SOMETHING ELSE. [54:43] LaTrisha Vetaw: IF ANYONE WATCHED THAT HEARING, THEY SAW THIS FAMILY STRUGGLING. I WORK WITH THIS FAMILY OVER A SERIES OF MONTHS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GOT WHAT WAS LEGAL AND WHAT WAS BEST FOR THIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY. NOT JUST THEIR HOUSE. AND, LIKE, COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS SAID, THESE ISSUES, FOR ME, I FACE THEM AS THEY COME BEFORE US. I DON'T WANT TO OVERPOLITICIZE THIS ISSUE. PICK THIS ISSUE WITH THIS FAMILY, THIS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE ABOUT ACCESS AGAINST THIS MATTER THAT IS BEFORE US. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CATHERINE HILL'S FAMILY NOW. I DON'T. IT'S GETTING UGLY. BECAUSE THESE FAMILIES ARE WATCHING THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW. AND I'M SURE THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING UP HERE ON THE MATTER THAT HAS BEEN VOTED ON ALREADY. [55:18] Michael Rainville: THANK YOU. AND I ONLY MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT -- I DID NOT BRING IT UP. SOMEONE ELSE DID. BUT WE WERE -- WE VIEW THAT AS AN INDEPENDENT AND WE HELPED THAT FAMILY. ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT WE HELP THIS BUSINESS SO THEY GET THE SIGNAGE. IF ANY OF YOU HAD A BUSINESS IN YOUR WARD THAT HAD 150 PEOPLE JOINING THE WORK FORCE, TAKING UP EMPTY SPACE IN A BUILDING, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. SO I'M ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT THIS FOR THE WARD THAT I REPRESENT. THANK YOU. [56:00] Elliot Payne: I'M SORRY. I STEPPED AWAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE I'LL JUST DO A REMINDER TO FOCUS ON THE TOPIC OF ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE VARIANCE. COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN. [56:05] Jamal Osman: THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I THINK THERE'S A PATHWAY FOR JPMORGAN TO HAVE THE SIGN. THAT'S THROUGH THE ORDINANCE. I TALKED TO THE STAFF. THE STAFF ARE WORKING ON, AND THEY ARE THE ONE WHO IS ACTUALLY BRINGING FORWARD FOR A CHANGE. SO THIS KIND OF CONDITIONS THAT ALLOWED TO DO THAT. AND JPMORGAN CAN WAIT UNTIL JUNE. IT COULD BE A PATHWAY. SO WE SUPPORT THE BUSINESSES. WE WANT THEM TO OPERATE AND CONTINUE DOING GREAT WORK. BUT WE GOT TO STICK TO THE FACT. AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, WHAT I HAVE SEEN DURING THE ARGUMENTS, THAT STICKING TO FACT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. AS I SAY, THERE'S A PATHWAY FOR TO HAVE JPMORGAN HAVE THE SIGN, AND THAT'S JUST WAITING A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. THANK YOU. [57:08] Elliot Payne: SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN QUEUE, COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON, DID YOU -- I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. [57:13] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [57:14] Michael Rainville: AYE. [57:15] Casey Carl: CHAVEZ. [57:16] Jason Chavez: AYE. [57:17] Casey Carl: VETAW. [57:17] LaTrisha Vetaw: AYE. [57:18] Casey Carl: ELLISON. [57:18] Jeremiah Ellison: NO. [57:19] Casey Carl: KOSKI. [57:19] Councilmember Koski: AYE. [57:20] Casey Carl: WONSLEY. [57:20] Robin Wonsley: NO. [57:21] Casey Carl: JENKINS. [57:21] Andrea Jenkins: AYE. [57:22] Casey Carl: PALMISANO. [57:22] Linea Palmisano: NO. [57:23] Casey Carl: CHOWDHURY. [57:24] Aurin Chowdhury: AYE. [57:25] Casey Carl: CASHMAN. [57:26] Gregory Cashman: AYE. [57:27] Casey Carl: OSMAN. [57:28] Jamal Osman: NO. [57:29] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [57:30] Aisha Chughtai: NO. [57:31] Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE. [57:32] Elliot Payne: AYE. [57:40] Casey Carl: THERE ARE EIGHT AYES AND FIVE NAYS. [57:48] Elliot Payne: THAT ITEM CARRY AND THE FULL REPORT IS ADOPTED. WITHOUT OBJECTION, VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE RECORDED THE REMAINDER OF THE REPORT AS AN AYE. [58:02] Aisha Chughtai: YES, I WOULD. THANK YOU. [58:05] Casey Carl: GREAT. [58:09] Elliot Payne: THE NEXT REPORT IS FROM THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. PRESENTED BY COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ. [58:15] Jason Chavez: WE'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD THREE ITEMS TO THE COUNCIL MEETING. ONE IS A APPROVING FIVE APPOINTMENTS TO THE CAPITAL LONG RANGE IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE. TWO IS APPROVING THE SETTLEMENT OF ALL CLAIMS ATTORNEYS FEES AND COSTS ASSERTED AGAINST THE CITY IN THE LITIGATION MATTER OF PRO LIFE ACTION MINISTRIES VERSUS CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. AND ITEM THREE IS AMENDING COUNCIL ACTION 2024A-0867 VERSUS THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS AND MINNEAPOLIS POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEMS. [58:53] Elliot Payne: MOVED APPROVAL OF THE COMMITTEE'S REPORT. I SEE COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN RAISING A QUESTION. YES, WE DID ACCIDENTALLY SKIP OVER CLIMATE AND INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'LL COME BACK TO IT. [59:05] Jamal Osman: SURE. THIS IS FOR COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON. [59:10] Elliot Payne: COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON. [59:12] Jeremiah Ellison: I WANTED TO -- MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE CLICKED ON THE CLERKS. I HAVE NOT CLICKED ON ANY MOTION BEFORE. IT'S NEW TO ME. I WANT TO SEE IF I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER AN ITEM. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE BUSINESS AGENDA. [59:31] Councilmember: SECOND. [59:33] Elliot Payne: THERE'S A SECOND ON THAT. MR. CLERK, TO YOU WANT TO GIVE GUIDANCE. [59:48] Casey Carl: THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE ITEM WAS ADOPTED UNANIMOUSLY. SO ANY MEMBER COULD MAKE THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER. IF IT PASSES BY A SIMPLE MAJORITY VOTE, THAT MATTER IS BACK BEFORE THE BODY TO BE CONSIDERED AGAIN. [1:00:15] Elliot Payne: OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON HAS MADE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER ITEM NUMBER THREE. IT'S BEEN PROPERLY SECONDED. COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON, DID YOU WANT TO -- [1:00:22] Jeremiah Ellison: YEAH. I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK ON THIS. AND I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE CATHERINE HILL ITEM. AND I DON'T MEAN TO POLITICIZE IT. I TRULY DON'T. I THINK THERE IS -- I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO THINK ABOUT OUR DECISION, WHICH IS A DECISION I DO AGREE WITH. WHEN WE MADE IT IN COMMITTEE. I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT A PARCEL HERE THAT IS NOT ON COMPLIANCE ON SEVERAL LEVELS. [1:00:29] Jeremiah Ellison: AND THE REASONS FOR THAT ARE UNDERSTANDABLE, BUT THE PATHWAY FOR THE REMEDY FOR THEM, THE PATHWAY TO A REMEDY FOR THEM WAS NOT THROUGH THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCESS. AND SO WE TOLD THEM THERE WERE CERTAIN THINGS THEY COULD NOT HAVE. WE TOLD THEM THERE WERE CERTAIN THINGS THEY COULD HAVE THROUGH THE QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCESS. AND THEN WE DIRECTED STAFF TO WORK WITH THEM, ESPECIALLY ON THE FENCE HEIGHT MATTER, TO GO THROUGH A PROPER CHANNEL FOR THEM TO ACCESS INCREASED FENCE HEIGHT. BECAUSE WE WERE CONVINCED THEY NEEDED IT. IT WASN'T THE PROPER AVENUE FOR THEM TO ATTAIN IT. THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THAT WE ARE IN A -- I THINK THAT WE'RE IN A [1:01:15] Jeremiah Ellison: SITUATION WHERE THERE ARE FINDINGS THAT ALLOW FOR THEM TO GET CERTAIN THINGS INCREASED. THEY HAVE A SUB STANDARD LOT SIZE. THEY HAVE A VULNERABLE ADULT LIVING THERE. AND IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO SORT OF TAKE A PRINCIPLED STANCE THAT PEOPLE GOT TO FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE AND THEY GOT TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS WITH, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD HOLD THAT STANDARD FOR CATHERINE HILL AND NOT JPMORGAN. I'M GOING TO -- I THINK BASED ON THE FINDINGS THAT EXIST THERE ALREADY, I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND EXTEND TO INSTEAD OF GRANTING IN PART AND DENYING IN PART, TO GRANT THEM THEIR FULL VENUE OF REQUESTS AND APPEALS. [1:02:03] Elliot Payne: MR. CLERK? [1:02:05] Casey Carl: I WANT TO POINT OUT, I APPRECIATE THAT HE IS FORESHADOWED THE MOTION HE INTENDS TO MAKE. THE MOTION WE'RE VOTING ON NOW IS TO RECONSIDER THAT MATTER. [1:02:16] Elliot Payne: OKAY. SO WE ARE -- THE FIRST PROCEDURAL VOTE TO REOPEN THE MATTER FOR RECONSIDERATION, AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON CAN MAKE THAT MOTION. ANY MEMBER OF THE BODY WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY MOTION. ON THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER ITEM NUMBER THREE, I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. [1:02:35] Casey Carl: I'LL REMIND, BECAUSE WE DON'T DO THIS FREQUENTLY, IT ONLY REQUIRES A MAJORITY VOTE TO PASS THE RECONSIDER, IF THE MOTION PASSES, THAT MATTER IS BACK BEFORE THE BODY. COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [1:02:39] Michael Rainville: AYE. [1:02:40] Casey Carl: CHAVEZ. [1:02:40] Jason Chavez: AYE. [1:02:41] Casey Carl: VETAW. [1:02:41] LaTrisha Vetaw: AYE. [1:02:42] Casey Carl: ELLISON. [1:02:42] Jeremiah Ellison: AYE. [1:02:43] Casey Carl: KOSKI. [1:02:43] Councilmember Koski: AYE. [1:02:44] Casey Carl: WONSLEY. [1:02:44] Robin Wonsley: AYE. [1:02:45] Casey Carl: JENKINS. [1:02:45] Andrea Jenkins: AYE. [1:02:46] Casey Carl: PALMISANO. [1:02:56] Linea Palmisano: NO. [1:02:57] Casey Carl: CHOWDHURY. [1:02:58] Aurin Chowdhury: AYE. [1:02:59] Casey Carl: CASHMAN. [1:03:00] Gregory Cashman: AYE. [1:03:01] Casey Carl: OSMAN. [1:03:02] Jamal Osman: AYE. [1:03:03] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [1:03:04] Aisha Chughtai: NO. [1:03:05] Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE. [1:03:06] Elliot Payne: AYE. [1:03:08] Casey Carl: THERE ARE 11 AYES AND TWO NOES. [1:03:14] Elliot Payne: THAT CARRIES AND THIS ITEM IS OPEN FOR RECONSIDERATION. COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? [1:03:19] Jeremiah Ellison: I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION -- [1:03:22] Elliot Payne: MICROPHONE. [1:03:23] Jeremiah Ellison: I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION AS FORESHADOWED. BUT I WILL NOTE THAT I MAKE THIS MOTION, A, BECAUSE THERE ARE EXISTING FINDINGS OF FACT THAT I THINK COULD EXTEND TO THE MOTION THAT I'M ABOUT TO MAKE. AND I ALSO MAKE THIS MOTION, DESPITE THE FACT I DON'T THINK IT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO BUSINESS, BECAUSE ON PRINCIPLE, I CAN'T STAND ON MAKING CATHERINE HILL FOLLOW THE RULES AND NOT MAKING JPMORGAN CHASE TO FOLLOW THE RULES. [1:03:52] Jeremiah Ellison: THAT'S MY POSITION. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE, AS WE GO FORWARD, EVEN IN COMMITTEE, THAT QUASI-JUDICIALS ARE GOING TO BE HANDLED IN THIS WAY, I PROBABLY AM GOING TO STOP SPEAKING UP ON QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTERS ALL TOGETHER. I DON'T SEE HOW WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN FAIRNESS AND PARITY, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITIES' INPUT AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. IN MY TIME IN OFFICE, IT WAS DRILLED. THIS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DECISION THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE. AND THAT YOU GOT TO BACK ALL OF THESE DECISIONS UP NO MATTER HOW DIFFICULT THE STORY BEING TOLD [1:04:38] Jeremiah Ellison: IS WITH THE FACTS ON THE GROUND. I DON'T THINK THAT THE FACTS ON THE GROUND SUPPORTED THE DECISION THAT WE JUST MADE IN FAVOR OF JPMORGAN CHASE. WHAT'S WORSE, IN MY MIND, THIS ISN'T TO PICK ON JPMORGAN CHASE. THERE'S A PATHWAY FOR THEM. THERE JUST IS. THERE'S A LEGAL PATHWAY FOR THEM. AND INSTEAD OF TAKING IT, WE TOOK THE SHORTCUT. INSTEAD OF TAKING -- INSTEAD OF REQUIRING CATHERINE HILL TO TAKE THE PROPER LEGAL PATHWAYS, I AM PROPOSING THAT WE PRESENT HER WITH A SHORTCUT, AS WELL. THAT'S THE MOTION. I THINK IN THE PREVIOUS MOTION, WE WERE DENYING ONE, GRANTING TWO, GRANTING THREE. AND DENYING FOUR. AND I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE GRANT ONE THROUGH [1:05:25] Jeremiah Ellison: FOUR. [1:05:30] Councilmember: SECOND. [1:05:33] Casey Carl: MR. PRESIDENT, BEFORE YOU RECOGNIZE SOMEONE ELSE, I -- MR. FUSSEY IS HERE. I APPRECIATE THE MOTION AND THE INTENT. I THINK IN ORDER TO GET THE FINDINGS OF FACT THAT ARE REQUIRED BY LAW, SO YOUR ATTORNEYS CAN BRING THOSE FORWARD FOR THE RECORD. SO WE'RE CREATING A SIGNIFICANT RECORD THAT BACKS UP THIS DECISION. THIS MATTER SHOULD BE REFERRED BACK TO THE COMMITTEE WITH THAT MOTION. THAT MOTION, AS STATED, TO GRANT THE APPEAL IN WHOLE, NOT IN PART. AND TO DIRECT THE ATTORNEY TO DRAFT THE FINDINGS OF FACT THAT SUPPORT THAT DECISION IS THE BETTER MOTION. AND THEN LET IT GO TO [1:06:12] Casey Carl: COMMITTEE SO THAT THE ATTORNEYS HAVE THE TIME TO WORK TO DRAFT THOSE FINDINGS AND BRING THAT BACK IN THE NEXT CYCLE. SO I THINK I WOULD ASK, IF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON, WOULD BE AMENABLE TO SAYING THAT'S A DIRECTION BACK TO COMMITTEE AS STATED. THAT IT IS TO GRANT IN FULL THE VARIANCE AND TO DIRECT THE ATTORNEYS' OFFICE TO CREATE THE FINDINGS OF FACT TO SUPPORT THAT. [1:06:33] Jeremiah Ellison: WITH APOLOGIES TO THE ATTORNEYS, I'LL AMEND MY MOTION. [1:06:38] Elliot Payne: ALL RIGHT. SO YOUR MOTION -- DO YOU WANT TO RESTATE YOUR MOTION, COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON? DO THE CLERKS FEEL LIKE -- [1:06:47] Casey Carl: IT'S A MOTION TO REFER BACK TO THE BUSINESS COMMITTEE FOR GRANTING IN FULL THE VARIANCE AND APPEAL ISSUED BY CATHERINE HILL AND DIRECT THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO PREPARE THE FINDINGS OF FACT SUPPORTING THAT CONCLUSION. [1:06:58] Jeremiah Ellison: CORRECT. [1:06:59] Elliot Payne: AND I NEED A SECOND. [1:07:00] Councilmember: SECOND. [1:07:01] Councilmember: SECOND. [1:07:02] Elliot Payne: ALL RIGHT. DO WE WANT TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO. [1:07:15] Linea Palmisano: YES. [1:07:16] Elliot Payne: GO AHEAD. [1:07:18] Linea Palmisano: YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON'S POINT HERE TODAY. UMM, AND I DID -- I WAS ASSUMING WE WOULD BE APPROVING THAT OTHER THING. COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON CHANGED MY MIND. AND I APPRECIATED WHAT HE WAS SAYING ON IT. I THINK WE SHOULD BE CAREFUL OF THIS. BUT GIVEN THERE ARE FINDINGS OF FACT HERE IN TWO DIFFERENT MATTERS, I DON'T SEE IT WISE TO GO BACKWARDS AND REVISIT OTHERS. COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON, YOU'RE MAKING THIS POINT CRYSTAL CLEAR. [1:07:39] Linea Palmisano: BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE EQUIVOCATING ON ALL MEASURES ON ALL THINGS. I WAS WITH THE COUNCILMEMBER ON THE OTHER MOTION, BUT THIS GOING BACK AND NOW REVISITING THINGS WITH THAT RATIONALE IS NOT GOOD PRACTICE. I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. [1:08:08] Elliot Payne: COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY. [1:08:10] Aurin Chowdhury: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I KIND OF JUST WANT TO SPEAK TO THE QUASI-JUDICIAL, LIKE, ISSUES BEFORE US. RIGHT. LIKE, THE WAY IN WHICH WE'RE TAKING THEM ON THE BUSINESS COMMITTEE. COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON, YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. I WOULD REGARD MYSELF AS SOMEONE AS A NEW MEMBER, AS SOMEONE THAT IS, LIKE, FOLLOWING WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN TERMS OF AS A STUDENT HOW TO HANDLE QUASI-JUDICIALS. [1:08:32] Aurin Chowdhury: WE HAD MULTIPLE QUASI-JUDICIALS IN THE LAST BUSINESS COMMITTEE. I DO THINK AN ISSUE AND A GAP WITHIN OUR COUNCIL, IN THIS MOMENT, IS GETTING BETTER TRAINING ON HOW TO HANDLE THESE. AS A NEW COUNCILMEMBER, I DIDN'T GET ANY ORIENTATION. I LEARNED FROM YOU. I LEARNED FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEYS. I LEARNED ON THE FLY IN PLANNING COMMISSIONS. AND I AGREE, LIKE, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THESE. ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE HERE NEXT YEAR. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO LEARN THIS. I DON'T WANT YOU TO STOP SPEAKING UP IN COMMITTEE. [1:09:03] Aurin Chowdhury: THOSE ARE OPPORTUNITIES. I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS KNOWING THAT YOU AND COUNCILMEMBER VETAW SUPPORT THIS. AND I THINK NEXT COMMITTEE COULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO KIND OF SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT IN REAL TIME. AND I ALSO WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU IN FIGURING OUT HOW WE CAN GET THIS BODY BETTER SET TO HANDLE QUASI-JUDICIALS MANNERS AND HOW TO THINK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF OF A JUDGE VERSUS A COUNCILMEMBER. [1:09:27] Elliot Payne: COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS. [1:09:30] Andrea Jenkins: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. YOU KNOW, I DO APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING TODAY REGARDING THESE CONCERNS. IF THESE WERE TWO SAME ISSUES, A FENCE AND A DRIVEWAY, THEN I COULD REALLY UNDERSTAND THINKING ABOUT FAIRNESS, ETCETERA. BUT THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES. AND SO I CAN'T SUPPORT GOING BACK AND RECONSIDERING THIS ITEM TODAY. [1:10:13] Andrea Jenkins: AND, YOU KNOW, COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON SPOKE ELOQUENTLY ABOUT THIS ISSUE IN COMMITTEE. AND ACTUALLY CONVINCED ME TO SUPPORT IT IN THAT WAY. AND I THOUGHT WE HAD COME UP WITH A REALLY GOOD SOLUTION THAT THE FAMILY SEEMED TO BE HAPPY WITH. AND COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON MADE THAT MOTION. SO I'M JUST UNCLEAR OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY. I DON'T GET IT. [1:10:49] Elliot Payne: COUNCILMEMBER VETAW. [1:10:51] LaTrisha Vetaw: CHAIR, I'M JUST KIND OF FEELING THE SAME AS COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS. YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON ABOUT THIS. AND I WORK WITH THIS FAMILY TO COME UP WITH, WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A COMPROMISE. THAT'S THE WORD THAT CAME UP A LOT IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FAMILY. [1:11:07] LaTrisha Vetaw: AND I JUST REALLY DON'T LIKE THIS, COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP. WE WORK ON THINGS FOR THE NORTH SIDE AS A WHOLE. AND THIS JUST DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TWO WEEKS WILL BRING. AND SO FOR ME, THERE WAS A LOT OF SECURITY IN HAVING SUPPORT FROM THIS COUNCIL TODAY, GETTING THIS FAMILY THE RESULT THEY NEEDED. [1:11:27] LaTrisha Vetaw: NOW WE'RE BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AGAIN. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. AND I ALSO DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M GOING TO TELL THE FAMILY TO MAKE SURE THIS FAMILY IS SECURE ABOUT OUR DECISION MAKING IN TWO WEEKS. I WOULD PREFER IF YOU DID WITHDRAW, COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON. THANK YOU. [1:11:46] Elliot Payne: COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON. [1:11:48] Jeremiah Ellison: THEN I'LL SAY THIS, BECAUSE I'VE GOT THE COUNCILMEMBER OF THE WARD WHO KNOWS THIS FAMILY PERSONALLY. SO I'M GOING TO RESPECT THAT ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT I DO WANT TO ADDRESS MY SUPPOSED LACK OF CLARITY. I DON'T THINK IT'S PRESENT. I THINK I'M VERY CLEAR. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO STAY. WE EITHER NEED TO DECIDE WHETHER PEOPLE HAVE AN APPEALS PROCESS, THAT CAME UP. I'M GLAD THAT CAME UP. IN AN APPEALS PROCESS, THE JUDGE HEARING THE APPEAL, AND THE ATTORNEYS CAN CORRECT ME, IF I'M WRONG. DON'T GET TO USE THEIR "DISCRETION" THEY STILL HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WITHIN THE FACTS TO DECIDE IF THE PREVIOUS DECISION WAS IMPROPER. IN THE CASE OF THE PREVIOUS ITEM, THE FACTS -- WE ARE DECIDING THAT STAFF'S CONCLUSIONS WERE IMPROPER. I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OTHER BUILDINGS IN DOWNTOWN, OR ACROSS THE CITY, SHARE MECHANICALS. HAVE WE JUST -- HAVE WE ACCIDENTALLY REDEFINED WHAT ONE BUILDING VERSUS TWO BUILDINGS IS? WE DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW HOW [1:13:04] Jeremiah Ellison: MANY OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD ALLOW FOR A SIGN IN A DRIVEWAY. HAVE WE JUST LEGALIZED SIGNAGE IN A DRIVEWAY? WE DON'T KNOW. WE MAY HAVE. I'M SEEING SOME DOUBTS. BUT WE MAY HAVE DONE THAT. WHAT I'M SAYING, IS THAT IF THE RULES HAVE TO APPLY TO CATHERINE HILL. AND I THINK THEY SHOULD. IT WAS HARD HEARING COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO, BECAUSE I BASICALLY AGREED WITH HER EVEN THOUGH WE WERE GOING TO BE VOTING DIFFERENTLY ON THIS. [1:13:35] Jeremiah Ellison: THAT'S MY RATIONALE. THAT'S MY EXACT RATIONALE. WE CANNOT SAY THAT CATHERINE HILL, HOWEVER HARROWING HER CIRCUMSTANCES, HAS TO FOLLOW THE LETTER OF THE LAW AND TURN AROUND AND SAY JPMORGAN CHASE DOESN'T. ESPECIALLY WHEN WE CAN OFFER JPMORGAN CHASE AS EARLY AS JUNE OR JULY. WITH AN ORDINANCE CHANGE. LEGISLATIVE VERSUS JUDICIAL. THIS IS A JUDICIAL MATTER. THAT'S MY POINT. AT ITS FACE, I GET IT. [1:14:08] Jeremiah Ellison: I DON'T ACTUALLY CARE. BUT IF FOLKS ARE WONDERING WHY I'M DIGGING IN SO MUCH ON THIS ISSUE, IT'S BECAUSE I'M LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE. AND I'M ASKING MYSELF, "WHERE ELSE ARE WE GOING TO HAVE INCONSISTENCY WHEN IT COMES TO QUASI-JUDICIALS DECISIONS. BECAUSE INCONSISTENCY ALWAYS BENEFITS JPMORGAN CHASE AND NEVER BENEFITS CATHERINE HILL. THAT'S MY POINT!" BUT I WITHDRAW THE MOTION. [1:14:36] Casey Carl: MR. PRESIDENT, THE MOTION BELONGS TO THE BODY. IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, WE COULD WITHDRAW IT. WE DID HAVE A PROPER MOTION AND SECOND TO PUT THIS IN FRONT OF THE BODY. IF THERE'S ANY OBJECTION, WE CAN'T WITHDRAWAL. [1:14:55] Aisha Chughtai: I'LL OBJECT TO THAT. [1:14:57] Elliot Payne: OKAY. ON THE MOTION TO WITHDRAWAL, WE HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE. COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY. [1:15:02] Aurin Chowdhury: THERE'S NO MOTION TO WITHDRAWAL. WE HAVE THE MOTION TO REFER THIS MATTER BACK. THE MAKER OF THAT MOTION SAID HE'D LIKE TO WITHDRAWAL. IT WAS ALREADY IN POSSESSION OF THE BODY. [1:15:16] Elliot Payne: ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE IN FULL. [1:15:19] Casey Carl: NO. THIS IS THE MOTION TO REFER BACK TO THE BUSINESS, HOUSING, AND ZONING COMMITTEE. THE MATTER TO CONSIDER THE CATHERINE HILL AND GRANT A FULL GRANT APPEAL IN FULL, GRANT THE VARIANCES AND DIRECTING THE ATTORNEY TO PREPARE THE FINDINGS OF FACT TO APPROVE THAT CONCLUSION. [1:15:34] Elliot Payne: OKAY. AND PRIORITY MOTION, COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY HAS A QUESTION. [1:15:38] Aurin Chowdhury: THANK YOU. I KNOW NOW THESE ITEMS HAVE BEEN TIED TOGETHER. RIGHT. WE'RE JUST KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THEM TOGETHER. [1:15:43] Elliot Payne: WE SHOULD FOCUS ON ITEM NUMBER THREE. THE MOTION TO REFER BACK TO COMMITTEE. [1:15:49] Aurin Chowdhury: I'LL JUST SAY THIS. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT JUST WHAT COUNCILMEMBER VETAW MENTIONED. LIKE, ADDING ANOTHER TWO WEEKS FOR THE FAMILY. LIKE THAT FEELS CONCERNING TO ME. AND I THINK MAYBE PERHAPS THIS ISN'T AN ITEM WE NEED TO RECONSIDER. BASED OFF OF THE DEBATE WE HAD. I THINK THIS IS CLARIFYING. I THINK IT'S GOOD WE'RE HAVING THIS DEBATE. I THINK WE'RE MAKING -- WE'RE HAVING A GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. SO PERHAPS THIS IS AN ITEM WE NEED TO RECONSIDER. [1:16:15] Elliot Payne: MR. CLERK, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE TO REFER THE ITEM BACK TO COMMITTEE FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIND A STATEMENT OF FACT, IF THAT PASSES, THIS ITEM WILL BE DISPOSED FOR TODAY. IF IT FAILS, WE WILL STILL HAVE THE ITEM OPEN ON THE TABLE THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DISPOSE OF, WHICH COULD INCLUDE PASSING THE ORIGINAL MOTION. [1:16:32] Casey Carl: CORRECT. AND I WANT TO CLARIFY, THE MOTION THAT WE'RE SENDING BACK TO THE BUSINESS, HOUSING, AND ZONING COMMITTEE IS NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION OF WHETHER WE PASS IT OR NOT. THE MOTION WE'RE SENDING IS, THIS BODY IS GOING TO GRANT THE FULL APPEAL REQUESTED BY CATHERINE HILL. THEY ARE GOING TO GRANT ALL THE VARIANCES AND THEY ARE DIRECTING THE ATTORNEY TO FIND -- CREATE THE FINDINGS OF FACT TO SUPPORT THAT. AT COMMITTEE, IT'S SIMPLY TO RECEIVE THE FINDINGS FROM THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT SUPPORT THAT OUTCOME AND SEND THAT BACK TO THIS BODY AT THE NEXT MEETING. [1:17:15] Joel Fussy: IF I CAN CLARIFY. IF WE WANT TO GET BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DETERMINATION THAT IT WOULD BE GRANTED IN PART AND DENIED IN PART, WE WOULD VOTE NO. IF YOU WOULD LIKE THE FULL SET OF VARIANCES TO BE GRANTED, YOU WOULD VOTE AYE. AND IT WOULD COME BACK AT THE NEXT CYCLE. [1:17:34] Elliot Payne: OKAY. ON THAT, I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. [1:17:39] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [1:17:40] Michael Rainville: NO. [1:17:41] Casey Carl: CHAVEZ. [1:17:41] Jason Chavez: NO. [1:17:42] Casey Carl: VETAW. [1:17:42] LaTrisha Vetaw: NO. [1:17:43] Casey Carl: ELLISON. [1:17:43] Jeremiah Ellison: NO. [1:17:44] Casey Carl: KOSKI. [1:17:44] Councilmember Koski: NO. [1:17:45] Casey Carl: WONSLEY. [1:17:45] Robin Wonsley: NO. [1:17:46] Casey Carl: JENKINS. [1:17:46] Andrea Jenkins: NO. [1:17:47] Casey Carl: PALMISANO. [1:17:47] Linea Palmisano: NO. [1:17:48] Casey Carl: CHOWDHURY. [1:17:48] Aurin Chowdhury: NO. [1:17:49] Casey Carl: CASHMAN. [1:17:49] Gregory Cashman: NO. [1:17:58] Casey Carl: OSMAN. [1:17:59] Jamal Osman: NO. [1:18:00] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [1:18:01] Aisha Chughtai: NO. [1:18:02] Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE. [1:18:03] Elliot Payne: NO. [1:18:05] Casey Carl: THERE ARE 13 NOES. [1:18:14] Elliot Payne: THAT FAILS AND ITEM NUMBER THREE IS ON THE TABLE. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO GRANT IN PART AND DENY IN PARTS, ACCORDING TO THE AGENDA. [1:20:15] Councilmember: SO MOVED. [1:20:16] Councilmember: SECOND. [1:20:18] Elliot Payne: I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. [1:20:21] Casey Carl: RAINVILLE. [1:20:22] Michael Rainville: AYE. [1:20:23] Casey Carl: CHAVEZ. [1:20:23] Jason Chavez: AYE. [1:20:24] Casey Carl: VETAW. [1:20:24] LaTrisha Vetaw: AYE. [1:20:25] Casey Carl: ELLISON. [1:20:25] Jeremiah Ellison: AYE. [1:20:26] Casey Carl: KOSKI. [1:20:26] Councilmember Koski: AYE. [1:20:27] Casey Carl: WONSLEY. [1:20:27] Robin Wonsley: AYE. [1:20:28] Casey Carl: JENKINS. [1:20:28] Andrea Jenkins: AYE. [1:20:29] Casey Carl: PALMISANO. [1:20:29] Linea Palmisano: AYE. [1:20:30] Casey Carl: CHOWDHURY. [1:20:31] Aurin Chowdhury: AYE. [1:20:32] Casey Carl: CASHMAN. [1:20:32] Gregory Cashman: AYE. [1:20:33] Casey Carl: OSMAN. [1:20:33] Jamal Osman: AYE. [1:20:34] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [1:20:34] Aisha Chughtai: AYE. [1:20:35] Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE. [1:20:36] Elliot Payne: AYE. [1:20:38] Casey Carl: 13 AYES. [1:20:39] Elliot Payne: THAT CARRIES. AND NOW THE FULL BUSINESS REPORT HAS BEEN ADOPTED. COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO, YOU'RE IN QUEUE. [1:21:03] Linea Palmisano: I WAS GOING TO SPEAK BEFORE WE VOTED. THIS IS AN INTERESTING AND NOTABLE DETOUR. I WANT TO THANK COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON FOR THIS. I THINK WE LEARNED A LOT HERE. I CAUGHT YOUR DRIFT FROM THE BEGINNING. THANKS. [1:21:18] Elliot Payne: NOW OUR NEXT REPORT IS -- OH. COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY. [1:21:23] Aurin Chowdhury: I -- I -- I APPRECIATED THE DISCUSSION WE HAD. I THOUGHT IT WAS CLARIFYING AND I THINK -- I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE HEED OF WHAT COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON SAID. UMM, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER ITEM NUMBER FOUR ON THE BIZ COMMITTEE AGENDA. [1:21:46] Councilmember: SECOND. [1:21:48] Elliot Payne: THERE'S A SECOND. I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. [1:21:55] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [1:21:56] Michael Rainville: NO. [1:21:57] Casey Carl: CHAVEZ. [1:21:58] Jason Chavez: AYE. [1:21:59] Casey Carl: VETAW. [1:21:59] LaTrisha Vetaw: NO. [1:22:00] Casey Carl: ELLISON. [1:22:00] Jeremiah Ellison: AYE. [1:22:01] Casey Carl: KOSKI. [1:22:01] Councilmember Koski: AYE. [1:22:02] Casey Carl: WONSLEY. [1:22:02] Robin Wonsley: AYE. [1:22:03] Casey Carl: JENKINS. [1:22:03] Andrea Jenkins: NO. [1:22:04] Casey Carl: PALMISANO. [1:22:15] Linea Palmisano: AYE. [1:22:16] Casey Carl: CHOWDHURY. [1:22:17] Aurin Chowdhury: AYE. [1:22:18] Casey Carl: CASHMAN. [1:22:19] Gregory Cashman: NO. [1:22:20] Casey Carl: OSMAN. [1:22:21] Jamal Osman: AYE. [1:22:22] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [1:22:23] Aisha Chughtai: AYE. [1:22:24] Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE. [1:22:25] Elliot Payne: NO. [1:22:27] Casey Carl: THERE ARE EIGHT AYES AND FIVE NAYS. [1:22:29] Elliot Payne: THAT CARRIES. AND THAT ITEM IS OPEN FOR RECONSIDERATION. IS THERE A MOTION? COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY. [1:22:39] Aurin Chowdhury: UH, I WOULD, UMM, -- I -- CLERKS, HELP ME MAKE THE MOTION. IF I'M NOT IN ORDER TO MAKE IT. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION -- DENY THE APPEAL IN LIGHT OF A POTENTIAL LEGISLATIVE PATHWAY TO ADDRESS THE SITUATION IN WHOLE RATHER THAN IN JUST MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PARTS WITH UNKNOWN SCENARIO OF SETTING PRECEDENT ACROSS THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. I THINK THIS IS THE PRAGMATIC AND COMMON SENSE WAY FOR US TO HANDLE THIS. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A SECOND. [1:23:18] Councilmember: SECOND. [1:23:20] Elliot Payne: COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY HAS MOVED TO DENY THE VARIANCE APPEAL. AND THAT HAS BEEN PROPERLY SECONDED. COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON. [1:23:25] Jeremiah Ellison: JUST, UMM, HOPPING IN TO SAY THAT I SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR ALL THE REASONS PREVIOUSLY STATED. AND I'M HAPPY TO BE A PART OF ANY TRAINING STAFF. I'M HAPPY TO BE A PART OF THAT AND TO WORK WITH MY COLLEAGUES ON WHY I FEEL THE WAY I FEEL. I FEEL LIKE THIS LEVEL OF PASSION ABOUT IT WAS INSTILLED IN ME BY PREVIOUS COUNCILMEMBER LISA GOODMAN, WHO I SAW MAKE A LOT OF DIFFICULT DECISIONS SHE WOULDN'T WANTED TO MAKE. SHE STUCK TO THE FACTS IN FRONT OF HER. IT TAUGHT ME TO DO THE SAME. I'M HAPPY TO IMPART THAT ON MY COLLEAGUES, AS WELL. AND I WANT TO STATE, JPMORGAN CHASE WILL HAVE A REMEDY BY THE SUMMER FOR THIS. AND IT WON'T BE A QUESTION. IT WON'T BE A DEBATE. IT'LL BE A MATTER OF ORDINANCE. AND I TRUST THAT MY COLLEAGUES WILL BE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH STAFF AS THEY REWRITE THE SIGNAGE ORDINANCE. WE CAN MAKE THIS POSSIBLE IN A REALLY REAL AND NONDEBATABLE WAY. [1:24:23] Aisha Chughtai: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'M GOING TO BE, UMM, I'M GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION. BUT JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION. EITHER FOR THE CLERK OR, UMM, MR. FUSSEY, DO WE, AH, NEED TO -- DOES THIS -- AH, MOTION TO DENIAL ALSO NEED TO INCLUDE SOMETHING ABOUT APPROVING STAFF'S INITIAL FINDINGS ON THE MATTER? [1:24:49] Joel Fussy: COUNCILMEMBERS, COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE, THAT'S SUBSUMED IN THE MOTION. BUT I THINK FOR CLARITY, MOVING TO ADOPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE APPROPRIATE WITH THIS MOTION. [1:25:05] Aisha Chughtai: OKAY. THANK YOU. AND CAN I ADD THAT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY'S MOTION? [1:25:12] Elliot Payne: DOES THAT NEED TO BE SECONDED? [1:25:14] Casey Carl: IF YOU WANT TO FORMALIZE THAT IN THE FORM AS MR. FUSSEY SAID, IT'S ASSUMED. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT MOTION, YOU SHOULD MAKE A MOTION AND GET A SECOND AND WE SHOULD DO A VOTE. [1:25:24] Aisha Chughtai: UMM, I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION THEN. [1:25:27] Councilmember: SECOND. [1:25:29] Elliot Payne: OKAY. THE MOTION IS TO DENY APPEAL AND ADOPT THE STAFF FINDINGS. AS PROPERLY SECONDED. COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE? [1:25:36] Michael Rainville: CLEARLY I'M GOING TO BE VOTING AGAINST THIS. THIS IS JUST PLAIN VINDICTIVE. THIS IS VERY DISAPPOINTING. THAT'S MY STATING IT CLEARLY SO YOU UNDERSTAND. [1:25:50] Jeremiah Ellison: WHAT VINDICATION AM I SEEKING COUNCILMEMBER? [1:25:52] Elliot Payne: COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON. AND PLEASE DO NOT ASCRIBE MOTIVES. [ COUNCIL CHATTER ] [1:26:07] Jeremiah Ellison: THIS IS WHAT I'LL SAY. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN THIS SIGN. IF YOU CAN PROVE THAT I HAVE AN INTEREST IN THIS SIGN, GO AHEAD AND PROVE IT. BUT I HAVE NO INTEREST IN THIS SIGN. I HAVE NO GRIEVANCE AGAINST DOWNTOWN OR ANY BUSINESS DOWNTOWN. SO -- AND, COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE, I'M ESPECIALLY DISAPPOINTED AND MAYBE HURT TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT. [1:26:30] Jeremiah Ellison: I FEEL LIKE I HAVE ENGAGED YOU IN GOOD FAITH. I'VE ALWAYS ENGAGED YOU ON THE SUBJECT MATTER, EVEN IN DISAGREEMENT. AND IF YOU CAN POINT TO WHERE MY DECISION IS NOT ABOUT THE FACTS ON THE GROUND. IT'S ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. I INVITE IT. I INVITE DEBATE. I INVITE BEING CHALLENGED AND PUSHED. AND, QUITE FRANKLY, I WAS OPEN TO GRANTING THIS. AND THROUGH MY DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU AND THROUGH MY DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF, I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT WAS NOT SUPPORTABLE. THAT'S ALL. THERE SHOULD BE NOTHING PERSONAL THAT YOU TAKE FROM LOSING A DEBATE WITH ME. I WILL LOSE THEM TO YOU, I'M SURE. BUT THERE IS NO INTENT, ILL INTENT HERE. AS I'VE STATED, WHEN YOU AND COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN REWRITE THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE THIS SIGN ALLOWABLE IN WHAT I AND STAFF WOULD SAY IS THE PROPER WAY. I WILL VOTE TO APPROVE THIS SIGN AND MAYBE WON'T EVEN HAVE TO. BECAUSE IT'LL JUST BE PERMISSIBLE. SO I HOPE YOU RESCIND THE PERSONAL ATTACK ON ME. I WOULD NEVER ASSUME THAT YOUR DISAGREEMENT WITH ME WAS PERSONAL. AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE FRUSTRATED BY THE DECISION THAT WE'RE COMING TO TODAY. BUT I DID NOT COME TO THIS CONCLUSION WITH ANY INTENT TO EMBARRASS YOU OR JPMORGAN CHASE OR THE DOWNTOWN COUNCILMEMBERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. [1:28:19] Aurin Chowdhury: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YEAH. I JUST -- I JUST WANT TO STATE FOR THE PUBLIC THAT IS FOLLOWING ALONG, LIKE, THERE IS A CLEAR PATHWAY FOR THIS SIGNAGE TO HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, LIKE, FRANKLY, I THINK THIS TYPE OF SIGNAGE IN THIS TYPE OF SPACE WOULD LOOK GOOD HERE. AND SINCE THERE WAS SOME ENGAGING OF PERSONALITIES, I FEEL LIKE, AS THE PERSON WHO BROUGHT FORWARD THE RECONSIDERATION IN THE MOTION, THAT I WANT TO SPEAK WITH CLARITY WHERE I WAS AT. IN OUR COMMITTEE, I HEARD OUT THE APPEAL FROM THE APPLICANT. I HEARD FROM MY COUNCILMEMBERS. I HAD STATED I NEEDED FINDING OF FACTS IN ORDER TO SUPPORT IT. [1:29:02] Aurin Chowdhury: HONESTLY, TODAY, LIKE, AS WE ENGAGE IN DEBATE. I VOTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS BECAUSE OF THE INFORMATION THAT THEY BROUGHT. BUT THE DEBATE WENT FURTHER ALONG, AND WE GOT NEW INFORMATION AND THERE WERE REAL CONCERNS. AND AS A NEW MEMBER TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND ONE THAT HOPES TO CONTINUE SERVING, ON THE BIZ COMMITTEE, I KNOW THE VALUE OF HAVING INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND TRYING TO BUILD IT, WHEN YOU HAVE IT AROUND. AND I LOOK TOWARDS COLLEAGUES LIKE COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON, COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO, I JUST PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT MEMBERS ARE STAYING IN THE -- SAYING IN THE BODY TODAY. THAT'S WHAT INFORMED MY RECONSIDERATION. THAT'S HOW I'M MAKING THIS DECISION. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR. LIKE, VERY HAPPY TO SUPPORT SIGNAGE HERE. SHOULD WE GET TO THE PLACE THROUGH A PATHWAY THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. [1:30:11] Michael Rainville: THANK YOU. WHEN I USE THE WORD "VINDICTIVE" I DID NOT DIRECT IT TOWARD YOU, COUNCILMEMBER. I SAID THIS MOTION WAS. YOU JUMPED ON ME FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT TRUE. WE CAN HASH THAT OUT LATER. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT IN FRONT OF TVS. I SAID THE MOTION WAS VINDICTIVE. NOT YOUR ACTIONS. I'M NOW HURT THAT YOU'RE ACCUSING ME OF SOMETHING I DIDN'T DO. SO LET'S WORK THIS OUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, TWO HUMAN BEINGS OFF CAMERA. AND, AGAIN, AS I SAID IN MY INITIAL SPEECH, I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN TO MAKE THIS RIGHT. I'M DISAPPOINTED WE CANNOT SEND A COMPANY WITH 150 EMPLOYEES THAT WANTS TO MOVE INTO OUR CITY THE MESSAGE THAT THEY'RE BEING WELCOMED. SO I WILL FAST TRACK THIS ALONG WITH COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN. [1:30:52] Elliot Payne: WITH THAT, THE MOTION TO DENY THE APPEAL ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND ADOPT STAFF FINDINGS IS ON THE TABLE. I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. [1:31:01] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [1:31:02] Michael Rainville: NO. [1:31:03] Casey Carl: CHAVEZ. [1:31:03] Jason Chavez: AYE. [1:31:04] Casey Carl: VETAW. [1:31:04] LaTrisha Vetaw: NO. [1:31:05] Casey Carl: ELLISON. [1:31:05] Jeremiah Ellison: AYE. [1:31:06] Casey Carl: KOSKI. [1:31:06] Councilmember Koski: NO. [1:31:07] Casey Carl: WONSLEY. [1:31:07] Robin Wonsley: AYE. [1:31:08] Casey Carl: JENKINS. [1:31:08] Andrea Jenkins: NO. [1:31:09] Casey Carl: PALMISANO. [1:31:10] Linea Palmisano: AYE. [1:31:11] Casey Carl: CHOWDHURY. [1:31:12] Aurin Chowdhury: AYE. [1:31:13] Casey Carl: CASHMAN. [1:31:14] Gregory Cashman: NO. [1:31:15] Casey Carl: OSMAN. [1:31:16] Jamal Osman: AYE. [1:31:17] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [1:31:18] Aisha Chughtai: AYE. [1:31:19] Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE. [1:31:19] Elliot Payne: AYE. [1:31:21] Casey Carl: THERE ARE EIGHT AYES AND FIVE NAYS. [1:31:38] Casey Carl: MR. PRESIDENT, JUST TO TAKE A MOMENT AND SAY I APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON'S VERY STRONG DEBATE AND POINTS ON THIS. BECAUSE THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE BODY, AND YOU OPERATE MOSTLY IN A LEGISLATIVE CAPACITY. I'M REALLY SPEAKING TO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY BROUGHT FORWARD. THAT THE BODY HAS HAD A LOT OF TURNOVER IN THE MOST RECENT YEARS. WE HAVE NOT AS STAFF. I'LL TAKE THAT WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB ON TRAINING. THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ACTING IN A LEGISLATIVE CAPACITY AND A QUASI-JUDICIALS. I APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON FIGHTING FOR THAT PRINCIPLE. WHEN YOU MAKE A LEGISLATIVE ENACTMENT, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY ADOPTING POLICIES TO GUIDE FUTURE DECISION MAKING. WE QUASI-JUDICIALS CAPACITY, YOU'RE APPLYING THOSE TO A SPECIFIC DECISION, WITH LIKE A COURT. SO THEY ARE SUBJECT TO VERY DIFFERENT PRINCIPLES AND STRINGENT STANDARDS. IN A LEGISLATIVE CAPACITY, THERE'S A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO OR CONSIDER FOR THE REASONS OF YOUR, YOU KNOW, THE BASIS OF YOUR VOTES. [1:32:33] Casey Carl: AND SO I TAKE THIS AS WE NEED TO GET SOME TRAINING FOR THE BODY ON QUASI-JUDICIALS APPLICATIONS AND ACTIONS. AND WE'LL TAKE THAT AS A FOLLOW UP. BUT, ALSO, I WANTED TO SAY AS MUCH TIME AS THAT TOOK AND HOW AWKWARD IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, I THINK IN THE END, IT'S GOOD FOR THE BODY TO HAVE THAT EXERCISE. I'VE HEARD SOME OF YOU TALK ABOUT FLEXING MUSCLES. THIS QUASI-JUDICIALS MUSCLE IS ONE THAT THE BIZ COMMITTEE GETS TO FLEX MORE OFTEN. WHEN THE DECISIONS COME TO THE FULL COUNCIL, IF YOU AREN'T OR HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE BUSINESS COMMITTEE, IT CAN SOMETIMES SEEM A BIT UNUSUAL. YOU'RE MORE USED TO FUNCTIONING IN THE LEGISLATIVE CAPACITY WHERE YOU HAVE BROAD DISCRETION AND AREN'T SO RESTRICTED BY THE CAPACITY OF ACTING IN A COURT OF LIKE OR JUDICIAL CAPACITY. SO I WANTED TO SAY, IT SEEMED MESSY AND AWKWARD, BUT THOSE, THE ATTORNEY AND I, AND MR. FUSSEY AND THE AUDIENCE, PERHAPS, IT WAS GOOD GOVERNMENT IN ACTION AND GOOD POLICY MAKING. AND THE SAUSAGE IS NOT PRETTY TO BE SEEN MADE BUT I APPRECIATE BEING A WITNESS TO IT. THANK YOU. [1:33:33] Andrea Jenkins: THANK YOU, PRESIDENT PAYNE. YOU KNOW, I JUST HOPE THIS DECISION DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE MOTIVATED BY SOME -- YOU KNOW, THE NAME JPMORGAN, WHICH THEY ARE THE APPLICANT. BUT IT KEPT COMING UP AS A REASON ABOUT HOW WE MAKE A DECISION ON THIS AND I'M JUST CONCERNED THEY ARE GOING TO SEE IT THE SAME WAY. AND WHEN WE MAKING QUASI-JUDICIALS, AND I HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, IT GIVES THE APPLICANT ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, PARTICULARLY WITH THEY'RE DENIED, TO TAKE LEGAL ACTION. IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FINDINGS OF FACTS TO SUPPORT IT. THANK YOU. [1:35:10] Aurin Chowdhury: I JUST -- JUST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT US TO BE IN LEGAL RISK AS A BODY. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO STATE MY MOTIVATION. I THINK THIS BODY'S MOTIVATION IS IN SUPPORTING FINDINGS OF FACT OF STAFF. THAT'S WHERE IT WAS ORIGINALLY. WE'RE GOING BACK. WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT. WE'RE HAVING A QUASI-JUDICIALS DISCUSSION. IT COULD BE ANY APPLICANT WITHIN THE CITY OF BUSINESS, LOCAL, CORPORATE, IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. WHAT WE'RE FALLING BACK ON IS FINDINGS OF FACT FROM OUR STAFF. [1:35:18] Elliot Payne: THE PROPER ORDER, WHICH IS THE CLIMATE AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE, WHICH WILL BE PRESENTED BY THAT COMMITTEE'S CHAIR, COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN. [1:35:28] Gregory Cashman: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD SEVEN ITEMS. ONE IS PROJECT APPROVAL AND ADOPTING SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS FOR THE PENNHURST PROJECT. TWO IS SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS FOR THE FRANKLIN AVENUE CONSTRUCTION. THREE IS AUTHORIZING COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WITH THE MET COUNCIL FOR COST PARTICIPATION IN THE HIGHWAY 55BRT STUDY. FOUR IS AUTHORIZING THE SUBMISSION OF A GRANT APPLICATION TO THE MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES FOR THE LOCAL TRAILS CONNECTIONS PROGRAM. FIVE IS AUTHORIZING THE SUBMITTAL TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE FOR AG GEOTHERMAL PLANNING. SIX IS NICOLLET MALL PEDESTRIAN. SEVEN OPEN IS ADOPTING FINDINGS OF FACT AND RECOMMENDATION OF A DENIAL OF THE STORMWATER CHARGE CREDIT APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY LAKEWOOD CEMETERY ASSOCIATION. I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF ALL SEVEN ITEMS. [1:36:24] Elliot Payne: COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN MOVED APPROVAL OF THE COMMITTEE'S REPORT. ANY DISCUSSIONS? COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS. [1:36:29] Andrea Jenkins: THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT NUMBER SIX. AND THEN IT TALKS ABOUT CONVERTING NICOLLET MALL TO PEDESTRIAN, BICYCLE, AND NONMOTORIZED VEHICLE USE. DOES THAT INCLUDE, LIKE, ELECTRIC WHEELCHAIRS AND SCOOTERS? I'M NOT SURE WHAT NONMOTORIZED MEANS. [1:36:58] Gregory Cashman: I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GREAT QUESTION. SORRY, WE'LL ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO ANSWER THAT. [1:37:10] Kristyn Anderson: I WOULD INTERPRET THIS. THIS IS ABOUT VEHICLES, IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO, YOU KNOW, ACCESSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS AND OTHER NEEDS. [1:37:24] Andrea Jenkins: THANK YOU. [1:37:25] Elliot Payne: SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL ON THE COMMITTEE'S REPORT. [1:37:29] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE IS ABSENT. CHAVEZ. [1:37:31] Jason Chavez: AYE. [1:37:31] Casey Carl: VETAW. [1:37:32] LaTrisha Vetaw: AYE. [1:37:33] Casey Carl: ELLISON. [1:37:33] Jeremiah Ellison: AYE. [1:37:34] Casey Carl: KOSKI. [1:37:34] Councilmember Koski: AYE. [1:37:35] Casey Carl: WONSLEY. [1:37:35] Robin Wonsley: AYE. [1:37:36] Casey Carl: JENKINS. [1:37:36] Andrea Jenkins: AYE. [1:37:37] Casey Carl: PALMISANO. [1:37:38] Linea Palmisano: AYE. [1:37:39] Casey Carl: CHOWDHURY. [1:37:39] Aurin Chowdhury: AYE. [1:37:40] Casey Carl: CASHMAN. [1:37:41] Gregory Cashman: AYE. [1:37:42] Casey Carl: OSMAN. [1:37:42] Jamal Osman: AYE. [1:37:43] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [1:37:44] Aisha Chughtai: AYE. [1:37:45] Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE. [1:37:46] Elliot Payne: AYE. [1:37:47] Casey Carl: 12 AYES. [1:37:48] Elliot Payne: THAT CARRIES. AND THE REPORT IS ADOPTED. THE NEXT REPORT IS FROM THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. WHICH WILL BE PRESENTED BY THAT COMMITTEE'S CHAIR, COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ. [1:38:02] Jason Chavez: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. BRINGING FORWARD THREE ITEMS ONE IS FIVE APPOINTMENTS TO THE CAPITAL LONG RANGE COMMITTEE. TWO IS SETTLEMENT ALL CLAIMS FOR CITY ATTORNEY'S FEES AND COSTS ASSERTED AGAINST THE CITY IN LITIGATION MATTER OF PRO-LIFE ACTION MINISTRIES VERSUS THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. AND ITEM THREE IS A LEGAL SETTLEMENT UPDATE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE. I MOVE APPROVAL OF ALL THREE ITEMS. [1:38:28] Elliot Payne: COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ HAS MOVED APPROVAL OF THE COMMITTEE'S REPORT. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO. [1:38:44] Linea Palmisano: MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO THANK PATRICK MACDOUGALL, FOR HIS WILLINGNESS TO SERVE ON CLIC. WHEN MY PLANNED APPOINTMENT WITHDREW AT THE VERY LAST MOMENT, PATRICK STEPPED UP AND VOLUNTEERED TO TAKE ON THIS IMPORTANT ROLE. PATRICK LOVES TO DIG IN ON A TOPIC AND LOOK AT THINGS WITHOUT ANY PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS. THESE ARE HABITS THAT WILL SERVE HIM WELL IN THIS ROLE ON CLIC. I WANTED TO MENTION IT. THANK YOU. [1:39:03] Elliot Payne: THANK YOU FOR THAT. BEFORE I CALL THE ROLL ON THIS COMMITTEE'S REPORT, COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE -- YOUR VOTE RECORDED FOR CLIMATE AND INFRASTRUCTURE REPORT. [1:39:18] Michael Rainville: PLEASE. THANK YOU. [1:39:21] Elliot Payne: AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE? [1:39:23] Michael Rainville: YES. THANK YOU. [1:39:25] Elliot Payne: OKAY. MR. CLERK? SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE REPORT, I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. [1:39:31] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [1:39:32] Michael Rainville: AYE. [1:39:33] Casey Carl: CHAVEZ. [1:39:33] Jason Chavez: AYE. [1:39:34] Casey Carl: VETAW. [1:39:34] LaTrisha Vetaw: AYE. [1:39:35] Casey Carl: ELLISON. [1:39:35] Jeremiah Ellison: AYE. [1:39:36] Casey Carl: KOSKI. [1:39:37] Councilmember Koski: AYE. [1:39:38] Casey Carl: WONSLEY. [1:39:38] Robin Wonsley: AYE. [1:39:39] Casey Carl: JENKINS. [1:39:39] Andrea Jenkins: AYE. [1:39:40] Casey Carl: PALMISANO. [1:39:41] Linea Palmisano: AYE. [1:39:42] Casey Carl: CHOWDHURY. [1:39:42] Aurin Chowdhury: AYE. [1:39:43] Casey Carl: CASHMAN. [1:39:44] Gregory Cashman: AYE. [1:39:45] Casey Carl: OSMAN. [1:39:45] Jamal Osman: AYE. [1:39:46] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [1:39:47] Aisha Chughtai: AYE. [1:39:48] Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE. [1:39:49] Elliot Payne: AYE. [1:39:50] Casey Carl: 13 AYES. [1:39:51] Elliot Payne: THAT CARRIES. AND THE REPORT IS ADOPTED. THE FINAL REPORT WILL BE OFFERED BY OUR PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY COMMITTEE, WHICH WILL BE PRESENTED BY THAT COMMITTEE'S CHAIR, COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ. [1:40:01] Jason Chavez: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WE BRING FORWARD TWO ITEMS. THE FIRST ITEM IS STATEWIDE HEALTH IMPROVEMENT PARTNERSHIP GRANT. AND ITEM TWO IS A AUTHORIZING A REVENUE CONTRACT WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA BOMB DETECTION AT HUNTINGTON BANK STADIUM. I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF BOTH ITEMS. [1:40:21] Elliot Payne: COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ HAS MOVED APPROVAL OF THE COMMITTEE'S REPORT. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, I'LL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. [1:40:31] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [1:40:32] Michael Rainville: AYE. [1:40:33] Casey Carl: CHAVEZ. [1:40:33] Jason Chavez: AYE. [1:40:34] Casey Carl: VETAW. [1:40:34] LaTrisha Vetaw: AYE. [1:40:35] Casey Carl: ELLISON. [1:40:35] Jeremiah Ellison: AYE. [1:40:36] Casey Carl: KOSKI. [1:40:37] Councilmember Koski: AYE. [1:40:38] Casey Carl: WONSLEY. [1:40:38] Robin Wonsley: AYE. [1:40:39] Casey Carl: JENKINS. [1:40:39] Andrea Jenkins: AYE. [1:40:40] Casey Carl: PALMISANO. [1:40:41] Linea Palmisano: AYE. [1:40:42] Casey Carl: CHOWDHURY. [1:40:42] Aurin Chowdhury: AYE. [1:40:43] Casey Carl: CASHMAN. [1:40:44] Gregory Cashman: AYE. [1:40:45] Casey Carl: OSMAN. [1:40:45] Jamal Osman: AYE. [1:40:46] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [1:40:47] Aisha Chughtai: AYE. [1:40:48] Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE. [1:40:49] Elliot Payne: AYE. [1:40:50] Casey Carl: 13 AYES. [1:40:51] Elliot Payne: THAT CARRIES AND THE REPORT IS ADOPTED. THANK YOU. THAT COMPLETES THE REPORTS OF ALL COMMITTEES. NEXT IS NOTICE OF ORDINANCE INTRODUCTIONS. ONE FROM COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE GIVING NOTICE OF THE INTENT TO INTRODUCE AT THE NEXT MEETING AN ORDINANCE AMENDING TITLE 15, CHAPTER 389 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AMENDING PROVISIONS RELATED TO OUTDOOR STADIUM EVENTS. ANY DISCUSSIONS ON THIS NOTICE? SEEING NONE, THAT NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN AND NO FURTHER ACTION IS REQUIRED. THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE INTRODUCTION AND REFERRAL CALENDAR. OUR ONLY INTRODUCTION IS FROM ME AND VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI MOVE TO INTRODUCE THE FIRST READING TO AND REFER TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD ON MARCH 25th, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ADMINISTRATION CODE TO UPDATE PROVISIONS RELATED TO COUNCIL STAFF AND POLICY, RESEARCH, AND OVERSIGHT FUNCTIONS. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS INTRODUCTION? SEEING NONE. I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS INTRODUCTION. SECOND IS ASSUMED AS VICE PRESIDENT IS MY COAUTHOR. AND I WILL RECOGNIZE VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [1:42:06] Aisha Chughtai: AH, THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'M SORRY. I WAS A LITTLE LATE JUMPING INTO QUEUE. BUT AS WE ARE GETTING READY TO REFER THIS ITEM TO COMMITTEE AND SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR MARCH 25th, 2025, I SEE OUR NEW CITY AUDITOR, ROBERT TIMERMAN IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY. WHO SAT THROUGH A VERY LONG, UMM, DISCUSSION ON LAND USE TODAY. AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE -- I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO JUST HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS PRELIMINARILY WITH HIM AS HE IS ONBOARDING INTO HIS NEW CAPACITY. AND, UMM, SINCE YOU ARE HERE, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, I WANTED TO, UMM YOU KNOW, JUST NOTE THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY [1:42:54] Aisha Chughtai: BENEFICIAL FOR THE BODY TO RECEIVE, YOU KNOW, JUST SOME COMMUNICATION FROM YOU. WHETHER THAT IS PRIOR TO THIS PUBLIC HEARING OR, UMM, FOR YOU TO BE PREPARED AT THIS PUBLIC HEARING TO SPEAK TO, UMM YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS ORDINANCE. AND -- AND WHAT YOUR PERSPECTIVE IS ON -- ON -- ON IT. ANY PIECE OF FEEDBACK YOU MAY HAVE TO SHARE. THE REASON I WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT NOW IS I JUST WANTED YOU TO HAVE AS MUCH OF A RUNWAY PRIOR TO MARCH 25th, 2025. UMM, TO GET THAT INFORMATION COMMUNICATED TO US. UMM, AH, AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS JUST REALLY IMPORTANT TO BE HEARING YOUR PERSPECTIVE AS THIS -- THE OUTCOME OF -- OF THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, REMOVING PRETTY SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES FROM THE -- THE -- THE DEPARTMENT -- UMM, THAT YOU ARE THE HEAD OF. THAT'S ALL, MR. PRESIDENT. [1:43:22] Elliot Payne: WELCOME, MR. TIMERMAN. DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT IN A BRIEF WAY? [1:43:31] Robert Timerman: YES, THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT AND CITY COUNCIL. I'LL DO JUST THAT. I'LL PROVIDE IN WRITING TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL, ANY COMMENTS OR THOUGHTS I HAVE RELATED TO THE ORDINANCE LANGUAGE, AS WELL AS PREVIOUS LEGAL MEMOS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL. I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH -- ABOUT HALF THE COUNCILMEMBERS, AT THIS POINT, AND QUITE A BIT WITH THE CITY CLERK AND CITY ATTORNEY. AND SO I DO HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ON HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. AND I DO HAVE SOME EXCITING PROPOSALS TO BRING [1:44:43] Robert Timerman: TO YOU IN THE COMING MONTHS, AS WELL. SO, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SHARE THAT THE RFP THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY INFORMED THE COUNCIL ABOUT FOR THE AFTERACTION REVIEW OF THE CASES HAS POSTED TODAY. IT POSTED ABOUT AN HOUR AGO. AND SO I WANTED TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THAT WITH THE COUNCIL. AND LET YOU KNOW THE MATURY IS OUT FOR RENDI VENDORS TO RESPOND TO. [1:45:13] Elliot Payne: THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL ON THE REFERRAL OF THIS. [1:45:30] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [1:45:31] Michael Rainville: AYE. [1:45:32] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER CHAVEZ. [1:45:32] Jason Chavez: AYE. [1:45:33] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER VETAW. [1:45:34] LaTrisha Vetaw: AYE. [1:45:34] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON. [1:45:35] Jeremiah Ellison: AYE. [1:45:36] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER KOSKI. [1:45:37] Councilmember Koski: AYE. [1:45:37] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER WONSLEY. [1:45:38] Robin Wonsley: AYE. [1:45:39] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER JENKINS. [1:45:40] Andrea Jenkins: AYE. [1:45:41] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER PALMISANO. [1:45:42] Linea Palmisano: AYE. [1:45:42] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER CHOWDHURY. [1:45:43] Aurin Chowdhury: AYE. [1:45:44] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER CASHMAN. [1:45:45] Gregory Cashman: AYE. [1:45:46] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER OSMAN. [1:45:47] Jamal Osman: AYE. [1:45:48] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [1:45:49] Aisha Chughtai: AYE. [1:45:50] Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE. [1:45:51] Elliot Payne: AYE. [1:45:52] Casey Carl: 13 AYES. [1:46:00] Elliot Payne: THAT MOTION CARRIES. AND THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS RESOLUTIONS. WE HAD TWO HON THEIR RESOLUTIONS PRESENTED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. ANY COMMENTS OR COUNCILMEMBERS? A MOTION TO ADOPT THOSE. [1:46:11] Councilmember: SECOND. [1:46:12] Councilmember: SO MOVED. [1:46:13] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [1:46:14] Michael Rainville: AYE. [1:46:15] Casey Carl: CHAVEZ. [1:46:15] Jason Chavez: AYE. [1:46:16] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER VETAW. [1:46:17] LaTrisha Vetaw: AYE. [1:46:18] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON. [1:46:19] Jeremiah Ellison: AYE. [1:46:20] Casey Carl: COUNCILMEMBER KOSKI. [1:46:21] Councilmember Koski: AYE. [1:46:22] Casey Carl: WONSLEY. [1:46:23] Robin Wonsley: AYE. [1:46:24] Casey Carl: JENKINS. [1:46:25] Andrea Jenkins: AYE. [1:46:26] Casey Carl: PALMISANO. [1:46:27] Linea Palmisano: AYE. [1:46:28] Casey Carl: CHOWDHURY. [1:46:29] Aurin Chowdhury: AYE. [1:46:30] Casey Carl: CASHMAN. [1:46:31] Gregory Cashman: AYE. [1:46:32] Casey Carl: OSMAN. [1:46:33] Jamal Osman: AYE. [1:46:34] Casey Carl: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [1:46:35] Aisha Chughtai: AYE. [1:46:36] Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE. [1:46:37] Elliot Payne: AYE. [1:46:38] Casey Carl: 13 AYES. [1:46:40] Elliot Payne: THAT CARRIES AND THOSE RESOLUTIONS ARE ADOPTED. THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ANNOUNCEMENTS. ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS? COUNCILMEMBER RAINVILLE. [1:46:44] Michael Rainville: THANK YOU. I DO WANT TO ANNOUNCE A NOTE OF GRATITUDE TO TWO BRAVE OFFICERS ON THE SECOND PRECINCT. THEY RESPONDED TO A CALL OF BABY NOT BREATHING. THEY STABILIZED THE BABY AND GOT THEM INTO THE AMBULANCE. THE HOSPITAL CALLED TO ANNOUNCE THAT THE BABY HAD FENTANYL IN THEM, WHICH CHANGED THE COURSE OF THE INVESTIGATION. THEY REALIZED THAT THE BABY HAD A TWIN AND WAS STILL IN THE HOUSE. THEY RUSHED BACK TO THERE. CALLING AN AMBULANCE ALONG THE WAY. WHEN THEY GOT TO THE FRONT DOOR, THE SECOND BABY WAS NOT BREATHING. THEY ADMINISTERED CPR AND NARCAN, WHICH IS TRICKY FOR A CHILD THAT YOUNG. AND GOT THAT BABY TO THE HOSPITAL, SAVING THAT BABY'S LIFE. THEY SAVED TWO BABIES. THOSE WERE OFFICERS HOOCH AND PERRY. I THANK THEM FOR SAVING THOSE YOUNG BABIES LIVES. [ APPLAUSE ] [1:47:50] Elliot Payne: SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN QUEUE. THANK YOU. THAT COMPLETES ALL AGENDAS ON THE AGENDA. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.