>>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP TO ORDER. IF WE COULD TAKE A MOMENT, COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, DO YOU HAVE AN INVOCATION? LET'S PLEASE STAND FOR A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND THEN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. [MOMENT OF SILENCE] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] ALL RIGHT. IF WE COULD HAVE ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >> CARLSON? HURTAK? >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. HAD E. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON WILL NOT BE HERE TODAY. I BELIEVE HE SENT A MEMO REGARDING HIS ABSENCE. COUNCILMAN VIERA WILL BE POPPING IN ANY MOMENT. MR. SHELBY DO YOU WANT TO GO OVER THE RULES AND PROCEDURES? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, VERY BRIEFLY, MR. CHAIRMAN. GOOD MORNING, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON ANY ITEM ON THE WORKSHOP FOR THREE MINUTES AFTER EACH WORKSHOP ITEM. IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO STAY AND WANT TO TALK TO ANY ITEM THIS MORNING, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO AT THIS TIME. THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD ALSO PLEASE BE REMINDED THAT YOU ARE TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR INCLUDING MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS OR MAKING AND CAUSING DISRUPTVE SOUNDS. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST ANY CITY OFFICIAL, STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. THE CHAIR WILL RULE OUT OF ORDER PEOPLE WHO FAIL TO COMPLY WITH THESE RULES AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY BE REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBER FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY'S MEETING. FINALLY, CITY COUNCIL SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A SPEAKER UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT. THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT TAKE QUESTIONS OR HAVE DIALOGUE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA IS IN THE HOUSE. WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS IS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK -- WELL, IT'S GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. PLEASE COME UP. AND ALSO, BECAUSE THIS IS A WORKSHOP, THERE WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER EACH OF THE ITEMS AS WELL. BUT THIS IS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT NOT RELATED TO ANY OF THE ITEMS. COME ON UP. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> WE HAVE A CHOICE. GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL. SANDY SANCHEZ. REGARDING CIVIC ASSOCIATION, HOME OF THE VILA BROTHERS PARK. AND CONCERNED CITIZEN. I'VE COME TO CITY COUNCIL TODAY TO ASK YOU NOT TO MOVE FORWARD ON ITEM NUMBER 4. THIS ITEM WILL LIMIT YOUR DECISION-MAKING CONSIDERABLY. LAND DEVELOPMENT HAS RECENTLY HIRED CLARION CONSULTANTS TO CLARIFY AND SIMPLIFY THE PRESENT INEFFICIENT ZONING CODES. SOME COMMUNITY LEADERS MET WITH CLARION ON TUESDAY, AND I THINK MOST OF YOU MET WITH THEM YESTERDAY. I'M SURE YOU CAME AWAY WITH THE SAME POSITIVE FEELING AS WE DID. THAT WOULD ANALYZE THE AMBIGUITIES AND SIMPLIFY THE PROCESS. BECAUSE OF THIS, ANY CHANGES TO 27.61 WOULD NOT BE EFFICIENT AND WOULD BE PREMATURE. THIS CHANGE LIMITS YOUR DECISION MAKING, MAKES NO MENTION OF COMMUNITY NOTIFICATION, AND IS NOT TRANSPARENT. TAKING AWAY DECISION-MAKING AUTHORITY WILL KEEP YOU FURTHER AWAY FROM SUPPORTING YOUR CONSTITUENTS. CITY COUNCIL, THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA ELECTED YOU TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. WE DID NOT ELECT CITY STAFF. CITY STAFF -- PERMANENT DAMAGE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. PLEASE SAY NO TO MOVING THIS ITEM FORWARD. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MS. HENDERSON, GOOD MORNING. I RECEIVED YOUR E-MAIL LAST NIGHT, SO I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT. I'LL START WORKING ON IT. >> I'M HERE TO FOLLOW UP WITH PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT. AILEEN HENDERSON, THE CEMETERY SOCIETY. GOOD MORNING., COUNCIL, FIRST, THANK YOU TO THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND. I WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THE SITUATION AT OAK LAWN CEMETERY. I NOW THAT A COUNCILMAN BROUGHT THIS ISSUE UP AT A RECENT MEETING. I WANT TO REINFORCE WHAT HE WAS TOLD BY COMMUNITY MEMBERS SHARING WITH ALL OF YOU THE VOLUNTEERS WHAT THE CEMETERY SOCIETY EXPERIENCED WHEN WE DID THE OAK LAWN CEMETERY CLEANUP LAST MONTH. WHILE WE EXPECT EXTRA DEBRIS FROM THE UNSHELTERED WHAT WE WITNESSED WAS THE WORST I HAD SEEN. WE HAVE A SERIOUS ISSUE WITH THE UNSHELTERED IN THAT AREA. THEY CONGREGATE ALONG THE LENGTH OF LAUREL STREET, THE NORTH END OF THE CEMETERY. ALSO LINE THE WEST WALL. THE TWO AREAS IS WHERE THE DEBRIS IS THE MOST CHALLENGING. WHAT WE WITNESSED AT LAST MONTH'S CLEANUP IS AN ABUNDANT AMOUNT OF TRASH FROM LARGE CARDBOARD PIECES TO CLOTHING WHICH, BY THE WAY, IS STREWN ACROSS THE HEAD STONES, STYROFOAM FOOD CONTAINERS, BEER CANS, LIQUOR BOTTLES, NEEDLES AND OVERWHELMING SMELL OF URINE AND UNDENIABLE ODOR OF FECES. COUNCIL, WE NEED A PLAN OF ACTION IMMEDIATELY. THE SITUATION PROPOSES MANY CHALLENGES, ONE OF THEM BEING SAFETY. THERE ARE THREE RESIDET BUILDINGS, TWO ARE SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES AND ONE IS FOR MULTIFAMILY USE WITH THE PROPOSAL OF MORE LIVING FACILITIES IN THE WORKS LITERALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CEMETERY. THERE IS ALSO THE KIDS MASON COMMUNITY CENTER AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE CEMETERY WITH THE PLANNED COMPLETION DATE FOR AUGUST 2024. WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE THERE IS ENCORE, ANOTHER MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCE AND PERRY HARVEY PARK SENIOR. FOR ME, I THINK IT IS SHAMEABLE THAT TAMPA'S HISTORY HAS SUCCUMB TO THIS. WHEN WILL WE START RECOGNIZING THE VALUE IN THE HISTORY AND THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR HISTORIC CEMETERIES. THIS SITUATION WILL TAKE A MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL EFFORT AND IT SHOULD STEM FROM COUNCIL AS A DIRECTIVE IN THE FORM OF A MOTION TO GET THE BALL ROLLING FOR A PLAN OF ACTION. I HOPE WE CAN ACT SWIFTLY FOR RESOLUTION. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT SPEAKER, GOOD MORNING. >> HI. MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT. I WANT TO ADDRESS AN ISSUE THAT CAME UP AT THE TREE WORKSHOP RECENTLY. IT HAS TO DO WITH THE CITY MONITORING THE MITIGATION TREES THAT ARE PLANTED AND FOLLOWING UP TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE STILL THERE. RECENTLY, WE BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION HOW PEOPLE ARE SELLING THE MITIGATION TREES. NATURAL RESOURCES WAS CONTACTED RECENTLY ABOUT A SITUATION LIKE THAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. THEY ARE SELLING THEIR MITIGATION TREES AND CODE ENFORCEMENT SAID THAT SOMEONE HAS TO FILE A FORMAL COMPLAINT AND PUT THEIR NAME TO IT. AND THAT IS PROBLEMATIC SOMETIMES BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO LIVE NEAR THAT PERSON ARE WORRIED ABOUT RETALIATION OR SOURED RELATIONS. AND SO LORRAINE PERINO BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT THIS IS THE CITY'S MITIGATION TREE POLICY. THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO BE REMOVED. WHY DOES A CITIZEN HAVE TO PUT THEIR NAME TO A COMPLAINT? THE CITY NEEDS TO BE ENFORCING ITS MITIGATION RULES AND PROTECTING THESE TREES WITHOUT CREATING POSSIBLE PROBLEMS. SOMETIMES THINGS CAN REALLY ESCALATE BETWEEN NEIGHBORS AND NOBODY NEEDS THAT IN THEIR LIFE. I WOULD LIKE THAT EXPLORED BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT TO ME. AND THE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT, MITIGATION TREES IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW SOMETIMES NATURAL RESOURCES IS ALLOWING MITIGATION TREES TO BE PLANTED IN AN AREA THAT'S UNSUITABLE. AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM. ONE OF THE ONES THAT WAS BEING SOLD, THEY HAD A LOT THAT WAS 60 FEET WIDE AND ON THE REAR PERIMETER THEY PLANTED FOUR LIVE OAKS. WELL, 60 FEET IS NOT ENOUGH DISTANCE FOR FOUR LIVE OAKS. ONCE THEY BECOME MATURE. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT APPROVED THAT BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T PLANT THE TREES ON-SITE, THEY HAVE TO PAY INTO THE FUND OR DO OTHER THINGS. SO THEY WERE PLANTING THEM ON-SITE TO AVOID PAYING INTO THE FUND, BUT THE PLANTING ON-SITE WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. ALSO SOMETIMES THEY'LL PLANT THEM UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY OF ANOTHER LIVE OAK. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO THRIVE THERE. AND THAT'S WHY SOME PEOPLE ARE MOTIVATED TO SELL THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE RIGHT UNDERNEATH THE CANOPY OF THIS OTHER TREE OR THERE'S JUST TOO MANY OF THEM TOO CLOSE TOGETHER, THAT SORT OF THING. SO THE PLANTING GUIDELINES FOR PLANTING ON-SITE DON'T SEEM TO MATCH. THEY DON'T SEEM TO MATCH WITH THE BEST PRACTICES THAT THE CITY RECOMMENDS OR ENFORCES. ANYHOW, I'D LIKE TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION SO MAYBE WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT MORE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MS. BENNETT, IF I MAY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD EVERYTHING. CODE ENFORCEMENT IS PUTTING THEIR NAMES ON IT, THE REASON FOR IT, NOT BECAUSE WE CHANGED A LAW. THAT IS THE STATE CHANGING A LAW AND THAT CAUSES A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR SOMEONE. WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS IN SOCIETY BUT WE'RE NOT THE LEGISLATURE. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT PASSED THAT. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. LIKE IF YOU MAKE A CODE ENFORCEMENT -- I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. I'M JUST CONCERNED WITH HOW CAN WE ENFORCE OUR MITIGATION TREE WITHOUT ALWAYS HAVING TO PUT -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT THE PLANTING OF TREES THAT CLOSE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES MA'AM. NEXT SPEAKER. >> GOOD MORNING, STEPHANIE POYNOR. WHAT I HANDED YOU IS CHAPTER 24, SECTION 120 OF THE RENTAL LICENSING CODE. I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS RIDICULOUSLY UNDERPRICED. I'M SORRY. THE BUDGET COMMITTEE STARTED A YEAR AGO OR ACTUALLY AUGUST IT CAME OUT, THE FEES AND STUFF CAME OUT THE SAME DAY AS THE BUDGET CAME OUT LAST YEAR. AND WE STILL HAVE NOT MADE ANY AMENDMENTS TO THIS. EVEN FOR MULTIFAMILY, I COULD LIVE WITH THEM THE WAY THEY ARE, BUT IT IS $23 TO REGISTER A HOUSE FOR A YEAR. AND I STILL THINK THAT IT'S WOEFULLY UNDERVALUED WHEN THIS DEPARTMENT CAME BEFORE THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, THEY DID NOT BREAK DOWN ALL OF THE BUSINESS LICENSES, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH THESE BUSINESS LICENSES ARE ACTUALLY COSTING TO MAKE THAT TRANSACTION HAPPEN. I WOULD ARGUE THERE'S NO WAY THEY ARE ONLY DOING THEM FOR 23 BUCKS BECAUSE IT TAKES SOMEBODY TO PROCESS IT EVERY TIME. AND THEN THEY SEND ME A CARD IN THE MAIL WHICH ALSO COSTS MONEY. I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. THE OTHER THING, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE BEEN CARRYING AROUND FOR TWO MONTHS AND I KEPT FORGETTING TO SAY SOMETHING OR BIGGER THINGS TO TALK ABOUT BUT SOMETHING WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. LET'S LOOK AT OUR BUSINESS LICENSING, HOW MUCH WE'RE CHARGING FOR IT. WHY DO WE HAVE THAT RATE? WHAT IS THE REALISTIC VALUE OF THE SERVICES THAT WE ARE PROVIDING THROUGH THAT BUSINESS SERVICE? ARE WE BREAKING EVEN? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THAT. BUT COUNCIL NEEDS TO ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE WE NEED MONEY FOR THINGS. AND IF WE'RE PAYING MONEY TO DO THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING US TO DO, IF WE'RE IN THE HOLE FOR PROVIDING A SERVICE, THEN WE ARE TAKING AWAY FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO REMIND YOU, AND I GAVE THIS TO YOU BEFORE BUT DIDN'T MAKE IT INTO MY BACKPACK THIS MORNING, THAT WHOLE THING ABOUT IF YOU GET TURNED DOWN FOR A REZONING OR A PLAN AMENDMENT, YOU CAN'T COME BACK FOR 12 MONTHS UNLESS IT IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, IF YOU'RE MAKING SPAGHETTI AND YOU TAKE OUT THE GREEN PEPPERS, IT'S STILL FRICKIN' SPAGHETTI. AND TWICE THIS YEAR, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT CASES WHERE STAFF HAS APPROVED THEM TO COME BACK BEFORE A YEAR. YOU GUYS ARE BUSY. YOU HAVE A FULL SCHEDULE. YOU HAVE A FULL AGENDA. IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS FOR US TO COME BACK FOR SPAGHETTI TWICE JUST BECAUSE THEY TOOK OUT THE GREEN PEPPERS. LET'S STOP ACTING LIKE THAT AND STOP -- THERE SHOULD NOT BE AN EXCEPTION FOR SOMETHING THAT LOOKS THE SAME. IF IT LOOKS THE SAME, SMELLS THE SAME, IT IS THE SAME. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD DAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD MORNING. YES MA'AM. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> GOOD MORNING. CONNIE BURTON. I WANT TO COME AND FIRST ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK THE BOARD, THE COUNCIL FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH RESOLUTION 568. BUT SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE I'VE GOTTEN CONFUSED BECAUSE I SEE NOW IT IS BEING CALLED RESOLUTION 344. AND SO IF THE THINGS THAT WAS STATED IN RESOLUTION 568 WAS RESOLVED AS IT RELATES TO THE MISTREATMENT, THE ACTIONS, THE POLICIES, THE BETRAYAL OF A LEGACY OF A SYSTEMATIC OPPRESSION AGAINST AFRICAN PEOPLE, WHERE IS THE PROOF FOR THAT? HOW NOW DO YOU MOVE AND WHO DID YOU CONSULTANT? -- DID YOU CONSULT? COME DOWN EVERY THURSDAY, THAT'S THREE DOLLARS PER HOUR. I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS CONSULTED FROM THE AFRICAN COMMUNITY EVEN THOUGH YOU LAY OUT A LIST OF PEOPLE, SOME THAT HAVE GONE ON, BUT WHO WAS CONSULTED AS TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDED? AND THEN HOW DO WE VERIFY THINGS THAT HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED? THINGS HAVE NOT BEEN RESOLVED IN OUR COMMUNITY AS IT RELATES TO THE ONGOING PRACTICES, THE LACK OF INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY, THE MASS INCARCERATION OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND I CAN GO ON AND ON. YOUR OWN REPORT SHOW THAT IN EAST TAMPA AND THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF POVERTY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. SO HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD? THAT'S RIGHT. CAUTION. THOSE SIGN ON TO THIS NEW RESOLUTION 344. THAT IT MIGHT LOOK POLITICALLY SAFE FOR YOU, BUT IT'S NOT. BECAUSE WHAT IT SPEAKS TO WHAT DR. KING LAID OUT YEARS AGO, HOW MODERATE WHITE PEOPLE LIKE TO HAVE A PASSIVE PEACE. EVERYTHING IS GOOD. IT IS NOT THE JOB OF THIS COMMUNITY OR THE PEOPLE THAT HAS BEEN OPPRESSED TO WORK TOWARD AN INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY. THAT'S YOUR JOB. IT IS YOUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LEAST FORTUNATE IS RISEN TO THE POINT THAT WE CAN HAVE A SEAMLESS CITY. WE DON'T HAVE ONE. SO AS YOU MOVE FORWARD, WE GONNA KEEP ON TALKING ABOUT RESOLUTION 568. WE GONNA TALK ABOUT HOW YOU, THOSE FOUR OF YOU THAT WAS HERE WROTE, SIGNED ON YOUR OWN ACCORD THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT THIS CITY HAD NOT LIVED UP TO ITS OBLIGATION AS IT RELATED TO AFRICAN COMMUNITY. AND WHAT I DO REMEMBER HEARING, COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS NEW RESOLUTION WAS NOT THE SAME. NO, IT IS NOT THE SAME. DO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH 344. LET US GO BACK TO RESOLUTION 568 AND ONCE WE COMPLETED 568, WE THEN WILL LOOK AT 344. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR, GOOD MORNING. >> MENTESNOT, TAMPA, FLORIDA. ONE THING I'M GOING TO SAY, WHITE PEOPLE FULL OF TRICKS. THEY ARE GOING TO TRICK YOU EVERY TIME, EVERY SINGLE TIME THE WHITE FOLKS GOING TO TRICK US. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS FOR THE LAST 624 YEARS, WE GET NOTHING OUT OF THE DEAL. FOR THAT LAST 624 YEARS, WE GET NOTHING OUT OF THE DEAL. THE CITY GIVES US NOTHING OUT OF THE DEAL. SINCE THE CITY WAS FORMED IN 1855, WE'VE GOTTEN NOTHING OUT OF THE DEAL. NOTHING. THEY TRICK US. THEY KEEP TRICKING US AND TRICK US SOME MORE AND THEN HAVE TO STOP. IT HAVE TO STOP. THE BIG CALL IS REPARATIONS. THAT IS THE BIG CALL. REPARATIONS, $3 MILLION PER AFRICAN PERSON, MAN, WOMAN, AND CHILD ON THE PLANET EARTH. REPARATIONS. REMEMBER THAT WORD, REPARATIONS. AND WHO MURDERED THE PRESIDENT OF IRAN? THE SAME PEOPLE THAT MURDERED 70,000 PEOPLE IN PALESTINE IN THE 70-DAY PERIOD AND THE WORLD ACTING LIKE THEY AIN'T GOT NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT. THE SAME BUTCHERS IN WASHINGTON, D.C., THE SAME BUTCHERS IN OCCUPIED PALESTINE. CALLING THE ISRAEL, NO SUCH PLACE THAT YOU HAVE TO KNOW. WAR CRIMINALS. HENRY KISSINGER WAR CRIMINALS ALL OVER THE WORLD. ALL OVER THE WORLD. WAR CRIMINALS WALKING AROUND FREE. SOME PEOPLE PUTTING WARRANTS FOR THEIR ARREST NOW SO THEY CAN'T GO EVERY PLACE FREE LIKE THEY USED TO. AND THE WORD IS REPARATIONS. WANT TO SAY WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS CITY, WHAT WE WANT THIS CITY COUNCIL TO LOOK INTO IS THIS CHILD SUPPORT SITUATION. CALL THE CHIEF JUDGE AND TELL THEM STOP THE CHILD SUPPORT SITUATION IN DISTRICT 13 IN THE JUDICIAL DISTRICT 13. STOP THIS CHILD SUPPORT SITUATION BECAUSE IT'S HARMING, IT'S BEEN HARMING SINCE 1975 AFRICAN MEN. AND THESE CHILD SUPPORT HEARING OFFICERS NASTY, THE NASTIEST, LOWDOWN WHITE PEOPLE YOU CAN FIND. NASTY. ARABELLA CAMPBELL. CHARLES DENTON. A BUNCH OF OTHER ONES DOWN THERE. THEY ARE NASTY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RECORD, THEY ARE NASTY. AND WHEN YOU TALK THE LAW -- WHEN BLACK PEOPLE GO IN THERE, WE DON'T KNOW THE LAW AND CAN'T AFFORD ATTORNEYS. YOU TRY TO EXPLAIN YOUR SITUATION, THEY TREAT YOU LIKE DIRT. YOU GO IN WITH THE LAW, SAY, HEY, THIS IS THE LAW, THEY DON'T GIVE YOU ANY CASE. THEY DON'T SCHEDULE ANY CASE FOR YOU. SO YOU ARE JUST SITTING THERE, HEY, I HAVE THE LAW, WHAT'S GOING ON NOW. YOU CAN'T GET A HEARING ON IT. THEY ARE NASTY AND THAT NEED TO CHANGE. AND THIS CITY COUNCIL NEED TO CALL THE CHIEF JUDGE SABELLA. TELL HIM REVIEW THAT CHILD SUPPORT SITUATION AND STOP IT. MEN OR WOMEN WHO CHILD SUPPORT PAY DIRECT, DON'T PAY THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT. PAY DIRECT. THAT IS YOUR DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR FAMILY, PAY DIRECT. DO NOT PAY THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. GOOD MORNING, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING. SUE GREAT DAWSON. I HEARD A REFERENCE TO ME. I WANT YOU TO LISTEN TO THIS. THIS CAME DIRECTLY FROM ONE OF THE NASTY HEARING OFFICERS HE'S TALKING ABOUT, ACTUALLY TWO OF THEM. >> RECORDING: NOT FLIPPING THIS AROUND THAT'S WHAT YOU LIKE TO DO, TRY TO COME IN AND FLIP IT AROUND. YOU'RE NOT DOING IT. I'M NOT ON TRIAL HERE. THE DEPARTMENT IS NOT ON TRIAL. YOU ARE THE ONE WITH THE ISSUE OF CHILD SUPPORT FOR FAILING TO MAKE CHILD SUPPORT PAYMENT. >> RECORDING: MADE NOTICE OF THE RECORD, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANYTHING INCORRECT IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN TERMS OF THE DELAY IN SERVICE. THIS IS ALL SOMETHING THAT I WROTE ABOUT IN THE PREVIOUS ORDER. YES DELAYS. 120-DAY RULE THAT REQUIRES SERVICE. DIDN'T HAPPEN. DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE SECOND CONDITION, DIDN'T HAPPEN ON THE THIRD CONDITION. >> YOUR POSITION THAT THE RULE DOESN'T APPLY TO ME? >> APPLIES THEN BUT YOU'RE BRINGING IT UP TWO DECADES LATER. >> RECORDING: [INDISCERNIBLE] >> RECORD: NO, MY POSITION, WHY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO CHALLENGE UNDER 12540. >> AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE, I PUT REST IN PEACE TO BROTHER CRAIG -- I KNEW HIM AS DR. CRAIG COLLINS. HE WENT TO SCHOOL WITH ME AT JEFFERSON. I NORMALLY DON'T TALK ABOUT THE CHILD SUPPORT ISSUE. I AM MR. DAUS. CRAIG SAW US IN THE CHILD SUPPORT OFFICE. BEFORE HE PASSED AND HE WENT TO SCHOOL WITH YOU. BEFORE HE PASSED, SAID, DOS, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH MY PASSPORT. GENERALLY ASSOCIATED WITH PEOPLE WHO OWE $2,500 IN CHILD SUPPORT. I DIDN'T KNOW HIS PASSPORT WAS SUSPENDED AND HE COULDN'T GO OVERSEAS TO GET SOME MEDICINAL ASSISTANCE WITH HIS ILLNESS. NOW CRAIG IS AN ANCESTOR, SO I TAKE THAT PERSONALLY BECAUSE I KNEW HIM PERSONALLY. WHAT I'M HERE TO DO IS AMPLIFY WHAT BROTHER METESNOT SAID, IT DIDN'T TAKE ME TO BRING UP THE ISSUE OF BLACK SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION. THE REALITY IS I BELIEVE 90% OF THE CASES IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY -- 95 -- CAN BE REVERSED BECAUSE PROCEDURAL DUE PROCESS VIOLATIONS. I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME, I'LL TELL YOU SOMETHING. JOE BIDEN, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO WIN FLORIDA, JUST HAVE YOUR DOJ COME INTO TAMPA OR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND TELL THEM TO STOP USING FEDERAL FUNDS TO VIOLATE BLACK MEN'S FEDERAL RIGHTS AND POOR PEOPLE. BECAUSE IF YOU ARE POOR, YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE BLACK. SHOUT TO UNIVERSITY OF THOMAS JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A REGISTERED SPEAKER FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. MICHAEL RANDOLPH. IF YOU ARE ONLINE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> YES. GOOD MORNING. MICHAEL RANDOLPH, WEST TAMPA CDC. TODAY I'M HERE TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE ROME YARD PROJECT RELATED TO THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT. OUR LAST MEETING FOCUSED ON THE CONSIDERATION OF THE SPACE RELATED TO THE PROGRAM THAT BOTH THE WEST TAMPA CDC AND THE CDC OF TAMPA WERE HOUSED. WE'RE GOING TO BE SUBMITTING TO THE DEVELOPER. RELATED TO WEST TAMPA. OUR PROGRAM IS THE WEST TAMPA TECHNOLOGY WEALTH BUILDING AND JOB CREATION CENTER AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT. AND IT WAS DESIGNED TO CREATE JOBS AND CREATE WEALTH FOR BOTH INDIVIDUALS AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY AND INCREASE PUBLIC SAFETY. I'LL TALK ABOUT TWO TO SEVEN PROGRAMS. THE FIRST IS THE TECHNOLOGY CENTER. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND CREATING THE NEXT GENERATION OF JOBS. THIS INCLUDES, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, PEOPLE IN WEST TAMPA -- AS WELL AS SOFTWARE PRODUCTION. WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY, OPEN AI, BOTH YOUNG AND OLD PEOPLE CAN START BUILDING MONEY UP TO $80,000 AND YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA. THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST INITIATIVES THAT SPECIFICALLY FOCUSES ON LOW-INCOME INDIVIDUALS USING AI. THE NEXT IS THE HOME-BASE INITIATIVE. THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT BRINGING IN UP TO 50 BUSINESSES OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, INCLUDING THOSE WITH CRIMINAL RECORDS, LOWER INCOME AND SENIORS. EACH OF THESE PROGRAMS WILL BE PARTIALLY FUNDED BY ITSELF. OUR NEXT DISCUSSION WILL BE ON OPERATING COSTS AS PER THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT AGREEMENT. AS YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS THAT DO GIVE TO THE WEST TAMPA CDC AND THE CDC OF TAMPA GET A TAX WRITE-OFF, SO IT IS A WIN-WIN WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMUNITY. OVER THE NEXT FIVE MONTHS -- OVER THE LAST FIVE MONTHS, WE SHARED THE INITIATIVE THAT INCLUDES THESE INITIATIVES AND THE INITIATIVE THAT GOES BEYOND THIS. YOU SHOULD KNOW WITH EACH INITIATIVE, IDENTIFIED A FUNDING SOURCE. I'M HAPPY TO SAY WEST TAMPA, BECAUSE IN THE ROME YARD DEAL, BUT THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING. THIS SHOWS WHAT PUBLIC, PRIVATE, AND COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP CAN BRING ABOUT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. RANDOLPH. ALL RIGHT. THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. COUNCIL MEMBERS, I HAD A QUESTION. WE HEARD FROM ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 4 AND WE RECEIVED -- I RECEIVED A LOT OF E-MAILS. I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY ELSE DID. COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS WAS PUT ON THE AGENDA IN SEPTEMBER OF '23 AND IT WAS ASKED BY LEGAL STAFF TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. IT WAS CONTINUED IN SEPTEMBER -- SORRY, JULY 13 OF '12. CONTINUED SEPTEMBER 28, 2023. WE HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF COMMENT ON IT. I KNOW STAFF PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO IT. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO JUST RECEIVE AND FILE THE DOCUMENTS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DISAGREE BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE ASKED FOR WAS HOW TO SIMPLIFY THE PROCESS AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE GOT. I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS AT THIS ITEM CLARIFY WHAT WE WANT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WAS BROUGHT ON BY LEGAL. IT WASN'T -- NOW, MAYBE THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE -- THIS PARTICULAR ONE WAS BROUGHT ON, A REQUEST BY LEGAL AND IT WAS JUST -- >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE, SURE. WE GOT AN E-MAIL FROM MARY LOU BAILEY THAT HAS A GREAT SUGGESTION THAT WAS ELIMINATING THE AVENUE OF APPEAL TO A HEARING OFFICER, WHICH I THINK IS FABULOUS AND I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT COME FORWARD AS SOMETHING. WE MAKE THESE RULES. THAT WAS KIND OF THE POINT IS THIS WAS SO CONFUSING WE WANTED TO SIMPLIFY IT AND STAFF'S CHOICE WAS TO TAKE COUNCIL OUT OF IT. I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT'S NOT OKAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CORRECT. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT WHAT DO WE DO INSTEAD? IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE THE MOTION LATER -- I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THIS PARTICULAR ONE OFF, BUT I DON'T WANT TO FORGET ABOUT IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW ABOUT WE DO A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE DOCUMENTS RECEIVED BY LEGAL AND THEN FOR DISCUSSION WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM ITSELF. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT'S -- AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A LONG DISCUSSION. SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ALREADY IN AGREEMENT. BUT WHAT DO WE DO NEXT? I CAN MAKE A MOTION RIGHT NOW AND DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO COME BACK WITH LANGUAGE THAT TAKES AWAY THE AVENUE OF APPEAL OF A HEARING OFFICER AND SIMPLY BRING IT TO COUNCIL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION MADE AND SECONDED. >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL MAKE THE OTHER ONE AND WE'LL BE DONE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO SPEAK ON IT A LITTLE BIT. SINCE WE'RE DOING THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION, HOW MANY COME TO US, HOW MANY GET APPEALED, HOW MANY OVERRULED? I THINK THAT SHOULD BE PUBLIC INFORMATION. I WOULD ADD THAT TO THE MOTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FIRST WE HAVE THE MOTION BY CLENDENIN TO RECEIVE AND FILE WITH A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>LYNN HURTAK: LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SOMEBODY HERE TO TALK ABOUT 4. >> [INAUDIBLE] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT NOW ON IT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE YOUR MOTION. IN EFFECT WHAT YOU'RE DOING -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'RE TAKING UP NUMBER 4 RIGHT NOW. YES MA'AM. COME ON UP. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY. I WAS OUT OF THE ROOM. >> GOOD MORNING. STEPHANIE POYNOR. I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE% DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ONE WITH THE MAGISTRATE AND THE ONE WITHOUT, THE ONE WITH THE MAGISTRATE IS -- WITHOUT THE MAGISTRATE IS 271. THE ONE WITH THE MAGISTRATE IS LIKE $2700. IT TOOK ME A WHILE, I HAD TO ASK THE QUESTION A COUPLE OF TIMES BECAUSE IT CAME UP IN THE BUDGET MEETING LAST MONTH. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. YOU KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS? NOTHING. IT'S THE CHOICE OF THE APPLICANT. SO WHY IS THE APPLICANT DRAGGING A MAGISTRATE IN AND PAYING A BUNCH OF MONEY MORE? HERE IS THE OTHER THING, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, YOU PROBABLY ASKED ELAINE, I THINK WE GO IN THE HOLE ON THOSE AS WELL, THE $2700 ONES. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT THE CITY TOLD ME I COULDN'T FILE A PETITION FOR REVIEW LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO FOR THE LIVE LOCAL CRAP. I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO FILE ONE AND SHOULD COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND YOU GUYS SHOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR IT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT -- AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT -- THERE'S BEEN TWO PETITION FOR REVIEWS IN THE LAST 60 DAYS THAT MR. MICHELINI AND I HAVE STOOD UP THERE ON THE SAME SIDE OF THEM BECAUSE THESE PETITION FOR REVIEWS USE COMMON SENSE. AND WHAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS PROPOSED HERE IS EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE BY STATUTE. AND SOME OF THE COMMONSENSE STUFF, LIKE THE COUPLE THAT WERE ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY AND THEY FILED AN SU-1 BECAUSE THEY BOUGHT A HOUSE WITH ADU ON IT AND THEN THEY WERE TOLD, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. YOU HAVE TO LIVE ON THE PROPERTY AND YOU GUYS GAVE THEM RELIEF. THE OTHER ONE WAS, THERE WAS A DUPLEX THAT HAD BEEN AROUND 34 YEARS. SOMETIMES IT REQUIRES YOU GUYS TO USE COMMON SENSE VERSUS THE EXACT LETTER OF THE LAW. IF YOU MAKE THE PROCESS OUT AND I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY HERE, THIS IS NOT OKAY. I THINK THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE NEED COMMON SENSE TO BE APPLIED, NOT NECESSARILY THE LETTER OF THE LAW. AND THAT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYBODY WOULD CHOOSE TO SPEND 27 OR 28 HUNDRED DOLLARS TO FILE A PETITION FOR REVIEW. MR. SHELBY WAS IN THE MEETING. JUSTIN VASKE WAS IN THE MEETING AND THEY COULDN'T TELL US WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS BETWEEN THE TWO. I ASKED ERIC COTTON WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS AND HE GAVE ME A LONG BLOWN-OUT ANSWER. I HAD TO ASK HIM PERSONALLY FACE TO FACE, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE, IT'S JUST WHAT THEY CHOOSE. WHY SOMEBODY WOULD CHOOSE TO DO THAT BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE TO COME TO YOU GUYS ANYWAY DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. IF WE'RE GOING IN THE HOLE FOR IT. YOU KNOW I'M NOT FOR IT. SAVE OUR MONEY. OUR TAX DOLLARS NEED TO BE SPENT ON THINGS WISELY, NOT ON SUPPLEMENTING SERVICES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT SPEAKER. GOOD MORNING, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING, STEVE MICHELINI. STEPHANIE IS CORRECT THAT WE END UP GOING THROUGH THESE EXTRAORDINARY PROCESSES TO RESOLVE COMMONSENSE ISSUES. AND THE POOR MAN OUT THERE ON 31st STREET IT TOOK OVER A YEAR TO RESOLVE THAT. THREE DIFFERENT NOTICES FOR A DUPLEX THAT HAD BEEN BUILT IN 1972. PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOUR CODE SAYS IF IT WAS IN COMPLIANCE IN 1956, AND YOU'VE CHANGED THE CODE MANY TIMES SINCE THEN. SO THE NONCONFORMANCEYS THAT YOU'VE CREATED CANNOT BE CORRECTED BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET PAST A CERTAIN YEAR. AND THE RECORDS GOING PAST, I HAD A PETITION EARLIER TO CHANGE THAT TO 1987, WHICH WAS THE LAST MAJOR CHANGE YOU MADE. AND IT CREATED THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF NONCONFORMANCEYS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. YOU HAD A METHOD OF CORRECTING THAT BUT THEN YOU CHANGED IT. SO IT COST MORE MONEY.% IT TAKES MORE TIME AND A LOT OF INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE BEING AFFECTED. I WOULD SAY DO NOT ELIMINATE THE OPTION OF GOING TO COUNCIL. YOU ARE THE PEOPLE'S REPRESENTATIVES. WHETHER YOU'RE ON THE APPLICANT'S SIDE AND ON THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OR WHETHER YOU ARE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIDE, YOUR LAST APPEAL TO COME TO YOU TO RESOLVE AN ISSUE, UNLESS YOU WANT TO GO TO COURT. IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO DO THAT. SO TO AUTOMATICALLY GO STRAIGHT TO COURT IS A VERY EXPENSIVE OPTION AND IT PRICES PEOPLE OUT SO THAT WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO ADDRESS AN ISSUE, THEY SIMPLY CAN'T DO IT. I KNOW IT SOUNDS -- MAYBE THINK I'M TALKING AGAINST MYSELF HERE, BUT FAIRNESS IS PROBABLY THE BEST AVENUE HERE. AND PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE, AS SHE POINTED OUT, COUPLE THAT OWNS THE LITTLE DUPLEX OVER IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT EXTRAORDINARY MEASURES TO RESOLVE THOSE ISSUES. THEY WERE FLYING FROM DELAWARE TO TAMPA FOR EVERY ONE OF THOSE HEARINGS. JUST COMPLETELY UNCALLED FOR. BUT ANYWAY, APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND I THINK FAIRNESS SHOULD BE THE GUIDE HERE AND THE ABILITY TO ACCESS YOUR GOVERNMENT. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. YES MA'AM. GOOD MORNING. >> HI. MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT. I LIKE IT WHEN YOU ALL DECIDE THINGS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THERE'S NOBODY IN THE CITY THAT UNDERSTANDS THE CITIZENS AND OUR CONCERNS BETTER THAN THE SEVEN OF YOU. YOU HAVE THE MOST ACCESS, THE MOST INTERACTION, THE MOST KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE YOU ARE INTERACTING WITH THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. EVERY DAY I KNOW YOU INTERACT WITH CITIZENS. YOU REALLY DO UNDERSTAND WHAT CITIZENS CARE ABOUT. YOU DON'T ALWAYS WANT TO AGREE WITH EACH OTHER. YOU DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH ME, BUT THAT'S OKAY. I BELIEVE YOU REALLY GRASP WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE OF YOUR CONSTANT INTERACTION. YOU SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN OUT OF THE MIX. AS MUCH RESPECT AS I MIGHT HAVE FOR A HEARING OFFICER THEY ARE -- SOMETIMES THEY ARE FROM OUT OF TOWN. THIS COULD BE THE FIRST THING THEY HAVE HEARD IN TAMPA. THEY ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH US. THE COST, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THE AMOUNT THAT THE PETITION PAYS COVERS IT. I THINK THE CITY PROBABLY EATS SOMETHING. THERE'S TRAVEL. THERE MIGHT BE LODGING. THERE MIGHT BE MEALS. MENTION THEIR TIME. READ BRIEFS. THEN RENDER DECISIONS. I'M SURE THE CITY IS INCURRING COSTS ON THIS. I AGREE WITH MARY LOU BAILEY. IN MY OPINION, HEARING OFFICERS SHOULD BE ELIMINATED. I'M GOING TO READ A LITTLE BIT OF HER LETTER BECAUSE SHE'S VERY ELOQUENT. SHE SAYS THINGS BETTER THAN ME. SHE SENT IT TO YOU ALL. I HOPE YOU READ IT ALL. SHE SAYS THE CITIZENS HAVE A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD WAY OF PARTICIPATING AND THAT THE ALTERNATE AVENUE IS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT -- BUT YOUR DECISION MAKING IS RESTRICTED TO THE ORIGINAL RECORD. THANKFULLY THIS PATH IS NOT FOLLOWED VERY OFTEN. I SAY THAT BECAUSE IT IS HARDER FOR CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND AND EFFECTIVELY PARTICIPATE IN THE HEARING OFFICER AVENUE. I'VE DONE IT, AND I'M EXPERIENCED. I DID IT RECENTLY. IT'S HARD. I'M IN FAVOR OF ELIMINATING THE AVENUE OF APPEAL TO HEARING OFFICER. IT IS MUCH HARDER FOR CITIZENS TO ENGAGE EFFECTIVELY. I'M FURTHER IN FAVOR OF HAVING CITY COUNCIL REVIEW, DO A DE NOVO REVIEW, WHICH IS NOT LIMITED TO THE ORIGINAL RECORD. THIS ALLOWS THE FULL SET OF RELEVANT INFORMATION TO BE CONSIDERED WHICH LEADS TO MORE EFFECTIVE DECISION MAKING. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. FOR PEOPLE TO COME HERE AND PARTICIPATE SOMETIMES IN THE ORIGINAL RECORD IS IMPOSSIBLE. BUT FOR THEM TO PARTICIPATE LATER, IT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, PLUS MORE INFORMATION CAN COME TO LIGHT. IF THE HEARING OFFICER IS TO REMAIN AN AVENUE, I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF HAVING IT NOT GO TO -- CIRCUIT COURT INSTEAD OF CITY COUNCIL CUTTING OUT THE CITY COUNCIL ENGAGEMENT IN THE MATTER. THE CIRCUIT COURT PROCESS IS HARDER FOR CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND AND EFFECTIVELY PARTICIPATE THAN A HEARING OFFICER. EVEN HARDER. CITIZENS WHO PARTICIPATE IN THESE PROCESSES DO SO AS VOLUNTEERS WORKING AROUND THEIR OWN WORK, FAMILY, AND COMMUNITY. OUR CITY IS BEST GOVERNED IF THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO MAKE THEIR PARTICIPATION CONVENIENT AND UNDERSTANDABLE AS WELL AS TO ALLOW THEIR FEEDBACK TO BE WHOLLY CONSIDERED. THANK YOU, MARY LOU BAILEY. PLEASE READ HER ENTIRE E-MAIL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN AND HURTAK. WAIT. YES SIR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JOSEPH CITRO FOR THE RECORD, 33611. IN THIS ISSUE, YOU ARE THE TRANSPARENCY. MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA LOOK TO YOU TO FIND OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY. IT TAKES -- TO TAKE CITY COUNCIL OUT OF THIS LEAVES THEM BLINDED. YOU ARE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CITIZENS. IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING TOGETHER FROM DIFFERENT OPINIONS TO FIGHT FOR CITY COUNCIL TO STAY INVOLVED IN THIS, IT SHOWS YOU SOMETHING. CITY COUNCIL, I ASK YOU, DO NOT TAKE YOURSELVES OUT OF THIS PROCESS. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN AND COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YEAH, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MARK THIS DAY. IT IS THE SECOND TIME SINCE I SERVED ON COUNCIL THAT STEPHANIE POYNOR AND STEVE MICHELINI HAVE APPEARED ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ISSUE. I THINK SOMEBODY SHOULD BE BUYING SOMEBODY LUNCH. AGAIN, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO LEGAL STAFF. I KNOW THEY PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS. I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE DONE A LOT OF THINGS. BUT I BELIEVE -- I SUSPECT THAT IT'S PRETTY MUCH UNANIMOUS CONSENT AMONGST THE GROUPS OF PEOPLE THAT DO BUSINESS IN COUNCIL AND THE MEMBERS THAT SIT UP ON THE DAIS THAT THIS IS NOT AN INITIATIVE THAT WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON. ONCE AGAIN, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PUT A LOT OF WORK AND GONE THIS FAR, BUT I THINK IT'S PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE READY TO MOVE ON. WE'RE DOING THE CODE REWRITE. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. I'M GOING TO STICK WITH MY INITIAL MOTION AS THE MAKER OF THIS, AT THE REQUEST OF LEGAL. OF COURSE, MY FELLOW COUNCILWOMAN GWEN HENDERSON WAS THE SECOND. WE BOTH AGREE TO STRIKE THIS FROM THE AGENDA. >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL SAY SOMETHING AFTER WE APPROVE THIS AND DO THE NEXT MOTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN WITH A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THAT IS TO RECEIVE AND FILE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO LOOK AT 27-61 RELATED TO PETITIONS FOR REVIEW AND ASK STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER LANGUAGE TO ELIMINATE THE AVENUE OF APPEAL TO A HEARING OFFICER AND SETTING CITY COUNCIL REVIEW TO BE DE NOVO REVIEW AND TO FIND OUT HOW MANY CASES THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY HAVE AROUND THIS. THAT'S THE MOTION. MY COMMENT IS, I BELIEVE WE'LL FIND MORE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT WITH THIS REVIEW OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WHEN WE START SEEING MORE OF THESE. I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF HIDDEN FROM THE PROCESS AND THIS WILL ALLOW US TO REALLY HONE IN ON SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE WE DEFINITELY NEED TO MAKE CHANGES AS THE LEGISLATIVE BODY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO CLARIFY BEFORE I -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND. THIS IS NOT A DECISION POINT THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. THIS IS AN INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. I'M ASKING FOR THE LANGUAGE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WITH THE DATA -- >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT NOT JUST SUPPORTS IT BUT GIVES US BACKGROUND AND THEN MOVING FORWARD HOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK. I WANT THE LANGUAGE. THE PUBLIC HAS MADE IT CLEAR. WE HEARD VERY STRONGLY FROM BOTH SIDES, WHICH IS VERY UNUSUAL THEY DON'T WANT THIS. I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE LANGUAGE TO CHANGE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHE SECONDED. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK. DO YOU HAVE A DATE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: [INAUDIBLE] >>LYNN HURTAK: WELL -- >> DANA CROSBY COLLIER, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE US TO BRING FORTH LANGUAGE TO ELIMINATE THE HEARING OFFICER ALTOGETHER FROM 27-61, COULD I SUGGEST WE MAYBE FOLD IT INTO OUR JULY CYCLE? >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WOULD BE FABULOUS. >> I CAN WORK ON THAT LANGUAGE NOW AND WE CAN BRING IT WITH THE JULY CYCLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. THAT'S PERFECT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A DATE FOR THE JULY -- >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT WOULD THE DATE FOR THE JULY CYCLE? THE 18th? >> I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHEN STAFF IS BRINGING BACK THE JULY CYCLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S ALSO THE BUDGET. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE JULY CYCLE, IF -- DEADLINE. >> THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS THAT COME FORWARD. >>MARTIN SHELBY: UP UNTIL JULY AND THEN THEY PROCESS THOSE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE EARLIEST AVAILABLE DATE AFTER THE JULY CYCLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: AUGUST 1st. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT IS THE WAY IT WORKS FRANKLY. >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW ABOUT THIS? I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO HAVE STAFF COME BACK, IF YOU JUST REACH OUT TO MY OFFICE, I WILL MODIFY THE MOTION WITH A SPECIFIC DATE BY EITHER IF YOU GET IT THIS AFTERNOON, I'LL DO IT AT THE EVENING MEETING. IF NOT, THE JUNE 6th MEETING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK. WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? >>MARTIN SHELBY: COMING BACK WOULD BE A MOTION TO AMEND IT TO ADD THE DATE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO? >>LYNN HURTAK: THE MOTION IS THIS AND THEN I WILL HAVE A SECOND MOTION THAT GOES ON TOP OF THIS TO ADD A SPECIFIC DATE. RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST WITH THE JULY REVIEW, WITH THE JULY CYCLE. AND THEN MY NEXT MOTION WILL BE TO CLARIFY WHEN THE JULY CYCLE IS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: UNDERSTOOD, THANK YOU. >> I'LL GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WILL SETTLE THE DISCUSSION FOR ITEM 4 TODAY. WE'LL HAVE THESE THREE ITEMS NEXT UP. WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 1, MR. LARRY WASHINGTON IS HERE. WE HAVE A MEMO AND PowerPoint. WHO WILL KICK IT OFF? MR. WASHINGTON? ALL RIGHT. COME ON UP. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: THANK YOU. MAKE SURE THE PowerPoint IS UP. GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. LARRY WASHINGTON, DIRECTOR OF SOLID WASTE AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRAM MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. HERE WITH THE CFO, MR. DENNIS ROGERO, TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED SOLID WASTE RATE ADJUSTMENTS. NOW, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE FINANCIAL PRESENTATION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL READING FROM THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC. AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE READING FROM THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC BECAUSE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT AS A WHOLE IS A VERY DYNAMIC INDUSTRY. LIKE TO SAY AT THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A WAY. IT TAKES AN INTEGRATED SOLID WASTE SYSTEM TO MANAGE ALL OF THE WAYS THAT IS -- ALL OF THE WASTE THAT IS PRODUCED BY THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPA. THIS COMBINES THE ACTIVITIES NECESSARY FOR TO SAFELY COLLECT, TRANSPORT, TRANSFER AND DISPOSE OF WASTE IN A SUSTAINABLE MANNER WHILE PROTECTING HUMAN HEALTH AND THE ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH THE MAYOR'S T-3 INITIATIVE. WE HAVE A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING. WE HAVE ROUGHLY 300 EMPLOYEES, 300 TEAMMATES IN OUR DEPARTMENT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE 150 COLLECTION VEHICLES. 60% OF WHICH ARE POWER BY COMPRESSED NATURAL GAS VERSUS DIESEL. PROCESS 410,000 TONS COLLECTIVELY PER YEAR IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. MAJORITY PROCESSED AT THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY. AROUND 300,000 TONS THERE. SOME IS LAND FILLED. SOME IS RECYCLED AROUND 20,000 TONS PER YEAR RECYCLED IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE COVER 85 SQUARE MILES. WE DO NOT COVER THE NEW TAMPA AREA. SORRY, COUNCILMAN VIERA. MOVING FORWARD, WE HAVE THREE CORE DIVISIONS. WE HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION DIVISION, OPERATIONS AND THEN WASTE TO ENERGY. WHAT WE LIKE TO SAY, AND I HAVE MY TEAM BEHIND ME AS WELL. ONE PAYS THE BILLS. ONE COLLECTS AND TRANSPORTS. THE OTHER ONE PROCESSES. LET'S SAY I HAVE A FEW DETAILED DESCRIPTIONS OF WHAT EACH DEPARTMENT DOES FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA. ADMIN, EDUCATIONAL OUTREACH. WE HAVE MULTIPLE POINTS OF ENGAGEMENT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE CITY OF TAMPA PERSONNEL AND SPEAKING TO THE YOUTH AS WELL. WE ALSO HAVE A TAMPA TRASH AND RECYCLING APP FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO HAVE REAL-TIME INFORMATION ON THEIR PHONES WHENEVER THEY NEED IT. IN ADDITION TO, OF COURSE, CITY OF TAMPA SOLID WASTE WEBSITE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE A LOT OF WASTE REDUCTION INITIATIVES THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD MULTIPLE TIMES. WE HAVE CUSTOMER SERVICE TEAM. CUSTOMER SERVICE IS PARAMOUNT FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, ESPECIALLY OUR DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE ARE FORWARD FACING. MOVING OVER, WE PROVIDE COLLECTION SERVICES. GARBAGE COLLECTION TWICE A WEEK. RECYCLING ONCE AND, OF COURSE, YARD WASTE AS WELL. WE HAVE A SWEEP PROGRAM WHERE WE COLLECT BULKY WASTE. THAT'S CURBSIDE. WE HAVE TRANSFER STATIONS. WE HAVE TWO TRANSFER STATIONS. BRAND-NEW STATE-OF-THE-ART FACILITY, A CASH FUNDED $35 MILLION PROJECT THAT IS 40,000 SQUARE FEET. OUR ORIGINAL TRANSFER STATION, WHICH IS TRANSFER STATION A IS AROUND 20,000 SQUARE FEET AND THAT ALLOWS US THE ABILITY TO COLLECT ALL THE BULKY WASTE, THE TIRES, SO ON AND SO FORTH. COUCHES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WE PROCESS IT THERE. MOVING OVER AND LASTLY WE HAVE OUR WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY WHERE WE PROCESS LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE AROUND 300,000 TONS PER YEAR. WITH THAT, WE GENERATE ELECTRICITY. GARBAGE AND TURN IT INTO SOMETHING EVERYONE NEEDS AND THAT IS ELECTRICITY. WE ARE ABLE TO PRODUCE 150,000 MEGAWATTS PER YEAR. JUST FOR FURTHER UNDERSTANDING, THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD IS LISTED ABOVE AS FAR AS FLORIDA, AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD FOR FLORIDA USES 1 MEGAWATT PER MONTH. WE GENERATE A LOT OF ELECTRICITY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE DIRECT BURNS THAT WE PROCESS AT THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY. TPD UTILIZES THIS QUITE FREQUENTLY WITH DRUG BUSTS. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE SPECIAL COLLECTION OR SPECIAL BURNS AS WELL. THE FOREIGN WASTE PRODUCED BY THE PORT AND AIRPORT, THAT COMES TO OUR FACILITY, TOO. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE READING FROM THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC BECAUSE WE ARE A VERY DYNAMIC DEPARTMENT IN GENERAL. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL KNOW AND THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT WE DO MORE THAN COLLECT WASTE. THIS IS A BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN MYSELF AND THE CFO DENNIS ROGERO. WE'LL BE GOING BACK AND FORTH THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION. I'LL PASS IT OVER TO DENNIS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WE'LL KEEP MOVING FORWARD. >>DENNIS ROGERO: GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A LOT GOING ON OUT THERE. AGAIN, AS THE DIRECTOR SAID, WE'LL BE SHARING INFORMATION REGARDING THEIR OPERATIONS AND FINANCES THROUGHOUT THIS PRESENTATION. FIRST, WE WOULD LIKE TO PAINT A PICTURE FOR YOU, SPEAKING OF THEIR FINANCES, ABOUT CURRENT AND SHORT-TERM FINANCIAL SITUATION. FIRST, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS SLIDE, THEIR FUND BALANCE CONTINUES TO GENERALLY DECLINE. NOW, WHY IS THAT? HERE ARE A FEW REASONS FOR THAT. FIRST, I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS COSTS TYPICALLY JUST GO UP. IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, THEY HAVE GONE UP EXTENSIVELY. WE ALL KNOW THAT. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT THEY'LL GO DOWN. AT THE SAME TIME, THEIR REVENUES HAVE PLATEAUED. WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THE WHYS AND WHEREFORES IN A MINUTE. THEY HAD TO KEEP DIPPING INTO THEIR FUND BALANCE AND INTO THEIR SAVINGS. THAT IS THE SLIDE YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU, A GENERALLY DECLINING ONE. LITTLE UPTICK AFTER THINGS STARTED REOPENING POST PANDEMIC, BUT THEY ARE UNABLE TO MAINTAIN WHAT IS AN IDEAL 90-DAY RESERVE AND A RESERVE FOR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE REFURBISHMENT REPLACEMENT, THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY HAVE A NUMBER HAD OF DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS AS A BUSINESS FOR THEIR VARIOUS FUND BALANCES, BUT YOU CAN SEE THEY ALL CULMINATE IN NOT HAVING ENOUGH MONEY. I WOULD SUBMIT TO COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC THAT WHEN YOU HAVE INCREASING COSTS AND YOUR REVENUE PRETTY MUCH FLATLINED, IT'S SIMPLY UNSUSTAINABLE NO MATTER HOW WELL THE BUSINESS ENTITY IS BEING RUN AND WE THINK IT'S BEEN RUN VERY WELL, NOR HOW WELL YOUR FINANCIAL PLANNING. AND WE THINK WE'VE FINANCIALLY PLANNED VERY WELL. I WILL REMIND COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC, THIS IS A DEPARTMENT THAT RELATIVELY RECENTLY COULD AFFORD TO PAY $35 MILLION IN CASH FOR A NEW TRANSFER STATION IN LIEU OF FINANCING. SO WE'VE SEEN THIS COMING. I DON'T THINK IT'S A SURPRISE. WHAT WE'VE SAID IN THE PAST, WHAT I'VE SAID IN THE PAST IS IT'S NOT IF RATES ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE INCREASED, IT'S WHEN. WE THINK WHEN IS NOW. IN ESSENCE, WE HAVE A THREE-PRONGED PROGRAM AND PROBLEM. A LOT OF Ps IN THAT SENTENCE. I THINK WE'VE BROKEN IT OUT VERY WELL IN THIS SLIDE. FIRST OF ALL, IN THE DARK BLUE, THEY'VE GOT TO KEEP OPERATING. YOU SEE THAT OPERATING EXPENSES. REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY DO IN TERMS OF LARGE PROJECTS -- AND WE'VE GOT SOME VERY LARGE PROJECTS COMING -- REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY DO IN THEIR MIDSIZE PROJECTS, THEY ARE A BIG BUSINESS, AS THE DIRECTOR JUST EXPLAINED. THERE IS A LOT GOING ON. $130 MILLION BUSINESS WITH A $200 MILLION CIP. BUT THEY'VE GOT TO KEEP OPERATING REGARDLESS OF THOSE THINGS. AND YOU SEE FROM THIS GRAPH HERE THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. IF YOU TAKE AWAY THEIR OPERATING CAPITAL IN THE LIGHT BLUE, IF YOU TAKE AWAY THE ANTICIPATED DEBT SERVICE FOR THE LARGE PROJECTS, REVENUE, PURPLE FLAT LINE IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THEM ABOVE THE DARK BLUE LINE OF JUST RUNNING A DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. ROGERO, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, HE HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: QUESTION FOR YOU. COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE DECLINE IN REVENUES FROM '23 TO '24? >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES. THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ABSENCE REDUCTION ELECTRICITY REVENUES BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY UNDERGOING REFURB. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NEXT QUESTION, WHY IS REVENUE WITH GROWTH -- EXPERIENCING GROWTH, WHY IS REVENUE FLAT LINED? BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING CUSTOMERS, BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE ARE ADDING CUSTOMERS, BUT WHEN YOUR RATES -- AND, OF COURSE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN OUR PRESENTATION. I'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL IN A MOMENT. RESIDENTIAL RATES, FOR INSTANCE, HAVEN'T BEEN INCREASED IN ABOUT A DECADE. I THINK YOUR POINT IS DESPITE THAT, WITH THE GROWTH, YOU WOULD THINK REVENUES WOULD INCREASE SOMEWHAT, AND THEY SIMPLY HAVEN'T. PERHAPS THE DEPARTMENT CAN SPEAK CLOSER TO THAT. IT'S NOT A BAD QUESTION, BUT THE PLATEAUING OF THE RATES AND THAT'S NOT THE ONLY RATES -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I UNDERSTAND THAT THE RATES ARE PLATEAUED. I MEAN, JUST INTUITIVELY THAT WE CONTINUE TO BUILD HOUSING AND BUILD UNITS, SO WE'RE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS, YOU WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD -- WHILE IT WOULD INCREASE COSTS AS WELL BUT IT WOULD INCREASE REVENUE STREAM. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE A PROJECTION AS A FLAT LINE REVENUE STREAM. >>DENNIS ROGERO: PRETTY FLAT LINED. WHAT I SUSPECT IS THE GROWTH IS SIMPLY NOT PROVIDING ENOUGH ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR IT TO BE RECOGNIZED ON A GRAPH OF THIS SCALE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY. THAT WOULD EXPLAIN IT. THANK YOU. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: WE DID ACQUIRE THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY AS WELL SO WE HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I GET THE EXPENSE. I WAS CURIOUS WHAT IS YOUR REVENUE GROWTH. I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE OF GROWTH, EXPENSES GO UP TOO. IN THE PICTOGRAM, IT SHOWS LIKE NO GROWTH WHICH WOULD INDICATE INTO ADDITIONAL RESIDENTS OR BUSINESSES ADDED TO THE REVENUE STREAM. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE'LL RUN THAT DOWN. IT IS A GOOD QUESTION. WHAT I SUSPECT IS IT'S A MATTER OF SCALE. MOVING FROM OPERATING AND, OF COURSE, I'VE REFERENCED THE ANTICIPATED DEBT SERVICE. THAT'S ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE'LL BE HAVING LATER ON IN THIS PRESENTATION. YOU SEE, OF COURSE, THE REVENUES AREN'T NEARLY ENOUGH. IF THE REVENUES CAN'T ALLOW THE BUSINESS TO OPERATE, THEY ARE CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO PAY FOR ANY ANTICIPATED DEBT SERVICE. AGAIN YOU SEE IN THE LIGHT BLUE, THE OPERATING CAPITAL. SOLID WASTE HAS OTHER THINGS THEY NEED TO DO. THE DOTTED LINE YOU SEE IS OUR PROJECTIONS IF COUNCIL APPROVES THESE RATE INCREASES. YOU SEE THAT WILL BRING US NOT ONLY ABOVE THE EXPENDITURE REQUIREMENT BUT GET US BACK INTO THOSE LEVELS OF 90-DAY RESERVES, RENOVATION AND REPAIR RESERVES, ET CETERA, AND RESERVES THAT WE'LL NEED FOR THE DEBT ISSUANCE. OPERATING COST, AGAIN, THEY CONTINUE TO GO UP. THERE IS A SPIKE IN 2024 YOU SEE, AND THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY. THE GOOD THING ABOUT THAT IS IT'S PRETTY MUCH CONFINED TO 2024. THE BAD THING ABOUT IT, IT'S A LOT. AND YOU'RE SEEING THAT IN THEIR OPERATING COST SPIKE. BUT IT'S WORTH REITERATING, COSTS ARE NOT ANTICIPATED TO GO DOWN. ARE WE EXPERIENCING SOME INFLATION RELIEF? I THINK WE ARE LOCALLY AND NATIONALLY, BUT NOBODY THAT I KNOW ANTICIPATES COSTS ARE EVER GOING TO GO DOWN. IT'S JUST HOW MUCH ARE THEY GOING TO GO UP IN THE FUTURE? AND THE TIPPING FEES, AGAIN, AN EXAMPLE OF A REVENUE STREAM THAT HAS PLATEAUED. FOR A WHILE YOU SEE WE WERE ACTUALLY ABOVE AND WE'VE DONE A COMPARISON HERE FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. YOU SEE FOR A WHILE WE WERE ABOVE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, AND THAT WAS HELPING, BUT THOSE DAYS ARE LONG SINCE OVER, AS YOU CAN SEE IN 2022, WE'RE NOW WELL BELOW, I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU, AND WE FEEL THE NECESSITY TO INCREASE THOSE TIPPING FEES. >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION QUESTION FOR THE PUBLIC. WHAT IS THE TIPPING FEE? >>LARRY WASHINGTON: FOR OUR TRANSFER STATION USERS, A TIPPING FEE IS THE COST PER TON TO UTILIZE OUR FACILITY. >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THOSE AND THE RECOMMENDED RATES IN JUST A MOMENT. I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE DIRECTOR SIR. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: NOW THE NEXT THREE SLIDES SPECIFICALLY WILL BE EXAMPLES OF THE INCREASE IN COST FOR THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT. HERE WE HAVE THE MOST COMMON VEHICLE THAT WE HAVE. THIS IS OUR COLLECTION VEHICLE, OUR CNG AUTOMATED COLLECTION VEHICLE THAT YOU'LL SEE ON ROUTES COLLECTING EITHER RECYCLING OR GARBAGE. BACK IN 2019, ONE OF THE VEHICLES COST THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT $360,000. NOW, TODAY, IT COSTS THE DEPARTMENT $489,000 FOR ONE OF THESE VEHICLES. THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF HOW MUCH COSTS HAVE INCREASED OVER THE FEW YEARS. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, 60% OF OUR FLEET IS CNG. THE AVERAGE SOLID WASTE VEHICLE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE AT LEAST SEVEN YEARS OR YOUNGER TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE OIL SPILLS OR MALFUNCTIONS DOWN ROUTES -- WELL, MOVE INTO DELAYS IN SERVICE. DOWNED ROUTE OR A TRUCK THAT IS NOT USABLE WILL HAVE SEVERE DELAYS. ANOTHER EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE IS THE COST OF OUR 95-GALLON CONTAINER. SO BACK IN 2019, THESE CONTAINERS COST $44.50. NOW THESE CONTAINERS COST $54.68. WE ARE PROJECTED TO HAVE ANOTHER INCREASE OF 5 TO 10 DOLLARS AS WELL AND THAT IS UP FOR RENEWAL THIS YEAR. WE HAVE OVER 100,000 RESIDENTIAL GARBAGE CARTS ALL OVER THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE HAVE OVER 82ISH THOUSAND CUSTOMERS AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL. YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I'M JUST HERE THINKING BETWEEN MYSELF, THE PROBLEM THAT WE CREATED FOR OURSELVES IS THAT WE WAIT SO LONG TO MAKE THE CHANGE. WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US TODAY IS NOT SOMETHING THAT STARTED LAST NIGHT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT STARTED THE DAY WE GAVE YOU THE UP CHANGE, THAT DAY FROM NOW IT'S BEEN CLIMBING ALL ASPECTS, FROM INSURANCE, FROM PERSONNEL, FROM PAYMENT, FROM RETIREMENT, FROM THE COST OF THE CONTAINER, FROM THE COST OF TRANSPORTATION OF YOUR FUEL FROM WH WHEREVER YOU E GOING, REFUSE TO ENERGY. WE NEVER MADE A CHANGE. THAT'S THE PROBLEM WE HAVE. IN OTHER WORDS, WE TALK ABOUT RUNNING CITY LIKE A BUSINESS AND WE TRY, BUT WE ACTUALLY DON'T DO IT. BECAUSE IF WE DID, YOU WOULD HAVE EVERY YEAR A MINIMUM INCREASE, SO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE A BIG INCREASE AT THE END. AND THAT'S BUSINESS-WISE. SO WE DON'T DO IT FOR WHATEVER REASON TO SOME DEGREE. YOU'RE ONE OF THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, LIKE THE OTHER THREE, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE WHERE WE ARE AT. IN FACT, THE WATER DEPARTMENT IS DOING SOMETHING. REFUSE TO ENERGY DOING SOMETHING AND THEY ARE ALL OVER A HUNDRED MILLION. SO WE HAVE TO -- IN ORDER TO MAKE MONEY, YOU CAN'T BORROW MONEY. BECAUSE IF YOU DO, YOU'RE ONLY MAKING SOMETHING LESS THAN WHAT YOU WANT TO BREAK EVEN. THAT'S MY MOTTO FOR MYSELF. HATE TO GO BACK TO WHAT MY FATHER TOLD ME, IF YOU CAN'T PAY FOR SOMETHING IN 30 DAYS, DON'T BUY IT. THEREFORE I NEVER BOUGHT A NEW CAR. NOW THE CAR DEALERS HATE ME. BUT I HOPE YOU DO BUY A NEW CAR SO THEY LIKE ME. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT IT'S GOT TO CHANGE THE WAY WE DO BUSINESS IF YOU REALLY WANT TO COMPETE. I CAN APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING. I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF CHANGES AND COSTS IN MOVING AND RELOCATION AND ALL THAT GREAT STUFF THAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT IT'S GOT TO COME TO SOMETHING THAT YOU RAISE THE RATE. I THINK '04 AND '05 IS THE SAME RATE. 2024 AND '25? WHEN DOES YOUR RATE INCREASE COME ON THIS IF IT PASSES? >> OCTOBER 1. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OF THIS YEAR. THOSE TWO YEARS OR ONE YEAR YOU ALREADY HAVE THROUGH IT, SO YOU'RE GOING TO SWALLOW A LOSS, UNLESS YOU'RE ANTICIPATING THAT IN THE INCREASE YOU'RE ASKING FOR. IN '05, YOU HAVE THAT ONE COVERED. BUT THEN EVEN IN '06 AND '07, YOUR RATES GO UP A LOT MORE DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ARE, WHAT KIND OF CAPABILITY YOU'RE PICKING UP. HISTORY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS DEPARTMENT. USED TO BE NOT JUST ONE DRIVER. DRIVER, TWO THROWERS AND THE CATCHER. THEY WOULD GO THROUGH ALLEYS. THAT'S HOW IT WAS. MORE BACK INJURIES THAN THE FOOTBALL PLAYERS HAD IN THE WHOLE NFL BECAUSE IT WAS HARD WORK. THIS IS STILL HARD WORK BUT MODERNIZED TO TODAY'S SOCIETY NEED AND SAFETY ENVIRONMENT. IN THE OLD DAYS, DUMP IT IN THE BACK, SOMEBODY PICKED IT UP. AT LEAST YOU HAVE THE CANS, THE 95-GALLON CANS THAT REALLY DOES HELP THE ENVIRONMENT AND SPREADING OF DISEASE AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. WE MADE SOME STRIDES AND YOU'VE DONE WELL. NOW WE'RE FACED WITH SOMETHING THAT'S GOT TO GO ON FROM NOW THROUGH 2029 I GUESS. AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER CHANGE MORE THAN LIKELY. THAT'S HOW LIFE IS. WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING THAT CHANGE. THEREFORE WHEN WE GET THERE, WE WILL BE SHORT AGAIN. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I THINK YOUR OBSERVATIONS ARE DEAD ON IN TERMS OF A RETROSPECTIVE. I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. WE HAVE ACCOUNTED, YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT, IN THE PAST, THE REVENUE STAGNATION WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ESCALATION BUILT INTO THE PLAN. AGAIN, RESIDENTIAL RATES FOR SOLID WASTE, HAVEN'T SEEN AN INCREASE IN A DECADE. THE GOOD NEWS, AND YOU MENTIONED IT, SIR, AS PART OF THE PIPES PROGRAM, THE WATER AND WASTEWATER FEES HAVE THAT ESCALATION. WE HAVE BUILT INTO THIS RATE STUDY AFTER 2029 AN INDEXED INCREASE THAT KEEPS PACE WITH INFLATION. SO FOR WHATEVER REASON, THOSE INDEXES WEREN'T BUILT INTO THE PAST. AND YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT. THE GOOD NEWS IS, I THINK WE'VE SEEN AS YOU SAID AND I'VE SAID UNSUSTAINABLE. WE BUILT THOSE INCREASES INTO THE FUTURE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME GO EVEN FURTHER. TEN YEARS FROM NOW. IN TEN YEARS OR NINE YEARS THE CITY WILL BE IN A BETTER POSITION FINANCIALLY BECAUSE ONE OF THE CRAs IS GONE AND IT WILL BE BUILT OUT, I WOULD IMAGINE. THEN THE TAXES OFF THAT BASE, THE HIGH PART OF IT THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING WILL BE COMING BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. SO WHOEVER IS HERE THEY MIGHT NOT LIKE WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY. FROM THAT DAY ON, THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE A REBATE BACK TO THE PUBLIC FOR ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY HAD TO DO FOR THAT TIME TO BRING IT LEVEL TO NEW DEVELOPMENT BUILT THE CITY THAT WE BUILT. SO THERE'S ALWAYS, IF WE LOOK AT IT AND FORECAST TEN YEARS, WHAT'S COMING IN TEN YEARS, WHAT REVENUES ARE WE GOING TO HAVE. IN FACT, I STILL SAY I PREDICT -- NEVER TALK TO ANYBODY IN THE TAX ASSESSORS OFFICE, ANOTHER 10 OR 12 PERCENT INCREASE IN TAXES BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING GOING UP, THE VOLUME OF IT IS THERE. I'M ONLY GUESSING. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THINKING TEN YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN THOSE CRAs ARE GONE, ONE ANYWAY, 15 ON ANOTHER ONE, THAT THOSE FUNDS COME BACK TO THE PUBLIC IN A SYSTEM WHERE THEY GET PAID BACK FOR THE INCREASES WE GAVE OUT. THE CITY ALWAYS WINS, THE TAXPAYERS WIN, BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, THAT WOULD BE BUILD-OUT THAT WAS NOTHING THERE 15 YEARS AGO, LET'S FACE IT. VERY LITTLE INCOME. I CAN GET YOU THE NUMBERS IF YOU WANT FROM THAT AVENUE OF WHERE THE BUILDINGS ARE AT NOW. THERE IS SOMETHING THERE IN THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, MAYBE IN THE BILLIONS. ALL THE THINGS COME BACK IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY IN YOUR PLACE, OUR PLACE, HIS PLACE, THE POSITION WHERE YOU HAVE THE HEART TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU SUFFERED, WENT THROUGH IT, MADE THE CITY WHAT IT IS, WE'LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING BACK. IF YOU DO THAT THEN I'M ALL FOR THIS. IF NOT, I'M NOT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. IF I CAN RESPOND TO THAT, AGAIN, I THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. DIRECTOR WASHINGTON, DYNAMIC. BIG CITY, WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE IN A DYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT. THE TWO KEY-STONES OF THAT, I THINK, ARE GOOD FORESIGHT, GOOD PLANNING. I THINK THIS RATE STRUCTURE DOES THAT BUT ALSO THE FLEXIBILITY TO CHANGE. GOING FORWARD A DECADE FROM NOW, AS LONG AS OUR PROJECTIONS KEEP US WITHIN OUR DEBT COVENANTS, RESERVE REQUIREMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADJUST RATES. AGAIN, WHO KNOWS TEN YEARS FROM NOW, BUT THE KEY IS I THINK GOOD PLANNING. WE PLANNED FOR A PROGRESSION AND THE FLEXIBILITY TO CHANGE IF WE HAVE TO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. I HAD A -- >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CART GOING BACK TO THE SLIDE. THE NEXT SLIDE IS TALKING ABOUT CONTAINERS. WHAT IS THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT THE AVERAGE LIFE SPAN FOR THESE? >>LARRY WASHINGTON: FOR RESIDENTIAL GARBAGE CANS. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE CUSTOMER USES THEM FOR. WE DO HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY PUT THINGS IN THEM THAT THEY SHOULDN'T. THERE ARE OFTEN FIRES OR INDIVIDUALS MAY TAKE OTHER NEIGHBORS' CARTS FROM TIME TO TIME. WE HAVE SEEN THAT, AND WE RECEIVED THE CALLS. IF YOU ARE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT FOLLOWS ALL THE SOLID WASTE GUIDANCE, WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE THEIR CARTS FROM 2005. AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT MAY HAVE HAD THEIR CARTS FOR THREE TO FOUR YEARS. IT REALLY VARIES. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE REASON I'M ASKING ABOUT THAT IS BECAUSE FROM THIS IT LOOKS LIKE WE PAY FOR THE CARTS. NOW, MY NEIGHBOR WHO PUT A FIREWORK IN THEIR BRAND-NEW CART AND HAS A GIANT HOLE IN THE SIDE NOW, WE DON'T PAY TO REPLACE THAT KIND OF DAMAGE, CORRECT? THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CUSTOMER WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. THAT WAS KIND OF MY QUESTION, YES, IF YOU USE IT THE WAY YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO, WE PAY FOR IT, BUT WE DON'T PAY FOR PEOPLE THAT USE THEIR CARTS INCORRECTLY AND YOU ALL HAVE A PRETTY GOOD FEELING OF WHO CAN DO WHAT. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WE DON'T JUST REPLACE ANYTHING. I WANTED THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT. THEY ARE TECHNICALLY PAYING FOR IT IN THEIR FEES BUT REALLY WE PAY FOR REPLACING THEM WHEN THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED AS LONG AS THEY ARE JUST NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: YES, MA'AM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M DOING EXACTLY WHAT I HATE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T FINISHED WITH THE PRESENTATION BUT I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO JUMP IN HERE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I'M BACK HERE ON THE SOLID WASTE FINANCIAL PICTURE WITH REVENUE, PROPOSED RATES FAR EXCEEDING THE OPERATING CAPITAL AND DEBT SERVICES NEEDS AND REQUIREMENTS. NOT ON OUR PRINTOUT, SLIDE NUMBER FOUR. >>DENNIS ROGERO: SLIDE FOUR, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YEAH. ONE MORE. THERE WE GO. EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU WOULD COME BEFORE US AND ASK FOR REVENUE THAT WOULD EXCEED YOUR NEEDS. ROGERO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MIS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MISREPRESENTATION. OUR REVENUES EXCEED OUR EXPENSES BUT WE HAVE THOSE FUND BALANCE AND RESERVE REQUIREMENTS. IT MAY BE AN IMPROVEMENT ON THE SLIDE TO PUT THOSE IN THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TO BUILD THE FUND BALANCE AND RESERVES. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES. WE ARE SOMEWHAT MAKING UP FOR LOSS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHEN YOU COME BACK BEFORE US, WOULD YOU HAVE A PROPOSAL, THE IMPACT THAT IT WOULD HAVE? BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN FEES OVER THE PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD AMBITIOUS REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE. LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED RATES ON SLIDE 12, WILL YOU PRESENT OPTIONS FOR A LESSER AMOUNT? TO GIVE US OPTIONS ON FUND BALANCES AND REALITY. >>DENNIS ROGERO: LET ME WRITE THAT DOWN. WE CAN, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IN OTHER WORDS, IF AT THIS RATE THIS WOULD GIVE US RESERVES AND FUND BALANCES AT THIS RATE, RESERVES AND FUND BALANCES, X THIS EXPECTED OPERATING REVENUE. WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS, AGAIN, ON SLIDE 12 -- I APOLOGIZE, YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO IT. WE'LL HOLD OFF UNTIL YOU GET THERE. SORRY. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WILL GIVE YOU A KIND OF TEASER FOR WHAT'S COMING THOUGH. WE CAN BRING THOSE TO YOU. THERE ARE VARIOUS CRITERIA. AGAIN, WE INTEND TO ISSUE DEBT FOR THESE MAJOR PROJECTS, THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY AND THE SOLID WASTE COMPLEX. AMONG THE VARIOUS CRITERIA FOR BUILDING WHAT WE THINK WILL BE AN ATTRACTIVE PACKAGE FOR THE BOND MARKET ARE THOSE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF DEBT SERVICE COVERAGES, RESERVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE OVERALL GOAL, OF COURSE, IS TO GET THE BEST RATING WE CAN BECAUSE THAT WILL SAVE US MONEY IN THE LONG TERM. WE CAN BRING YOU THOSE AND YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THOSE SUBDIVISIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WOULD BE NOT JUST GOOD FOR THE DECISION MAKERS UP HERE BUT ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTND WHAT WE'RE DOING, ESPECIALLY IF IT BRINGS DOWN OUR INTEREST RATE ON THE DEBT ISSUANCE, IF WE HAVE CERTAIN LEVELS OF RESERVE. ALSO, SPECIFIC ON THE DEBT SERVICES, LIKE YOU KEEP SAYING WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT? ARE WE BUILDING CAPACITY? VERY GOOD. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YOU WANT US TO ANSWER THAT NOW? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S COMING IN THE PRESENTATION. THAT'S WHY I APOLOGIZED RIGHT IN ADVANCE FOR JUMPING IN. SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE. WHY DON'T I JUST JOIN THE TORNADO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'RE BACK TO SLIDE NUMBER 9 IS WHERE WE LEFT OFF. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: THIS IS ONE OF OUR COMMON CONTAINERS. FRONT-END LOAD CONTAINER. THE COST WAS $795 BACK IN 2019. NOW WE HAD A 98% INCREASE. THEY ARE $1500 FOR ONE OF OUR FRONT-END LOAD CONTAINERS. NOW, ROUGHLY AS FAR AS FRONT-LOAD SERVICE, ROUGHLY 6,000 CONTAINERS ALL OVER THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE WANT TO SHOW YOU THIS PICTURE TO SHOW YOU HOW THE PRICE ESCALATION HAS AFFECTED THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT. ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO FRONT LOAD CONTAINERS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO. IT'S RIDICULOUS THE PRICING RATES. WE'RE IN THE WRONG BUSINESS. CRAZY. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: WE DO WHAT WE CAN. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE, YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A LITTLE MARK AT THE FOUR FIVE INCHES FROM THE BOTTOM. WE REPLACE THE BOTTOMS OF THE CONTAINER. WE HAVE A WELDING SHOP HERE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE DO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. IF YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT THAT PUTS A LOT OF WET WASTE, THEY MAY GO THROUGH THEIR CONTAINER IN THREE TO FIVE YEARS, BUT IF YOU HAVE A BOOKSTORE, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CONTAINER -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: FOREVER. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: EXACTLY. [ LAUGHTER ] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE BOTTOM OF THESE CONTAINERS HAVE HOLES WHERE THE WATER WOULD DRAIN. IT DOESN'T FILL UP AFTER A RAINSTORM AND RUST AND ROT AWAY, CORRECT? >>LARRY WASHINGTON: THERE ARE LITTLE HOLES BUT IT DOES FILL UP. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BUT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FLUID TO DRAIN. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: IT IS. A LITTLE BIT. NOT A LOT OF FLUID DRAINING OUT OF IT. FIRES ARE ANOTHER CHALLENGE WE'VE HAD OVER THE YEARS. THANK YOU, I'LL PASS IT BACK OVER TO THE CFO. >>DENNIS ROGERO: HERE WE'VE BROKEN IT OUT A LITTLE BIT IN DETAIL CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDING REQUIREMENTS. MOSTLY TO ILLUSTRATE, YOU'RE SEEING A SPIKE IN THE CURRENT YEAR. AGAIN, THE WASTE TO ENERGY RETROFIT. IN THE LIGHT BLUE THERE, THAT IS THE SOLID WASTE RELOCATION COMPLEX PROJECT. THAT'S GOING TO BE SPREAD OUT OVER A COUPLE OF YEARS. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT HUMP, IF YOU WILL, IN TERMS OF THE EXPENDITURES. IN PURPLE, OF COURSE, THEY HAVE OTHER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO DO. ALTHOUGH MUCH OF THIS DISCUSSION IS CONFINED TO THE TWO BIG PROJECTS, WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT THEY ARE DOING NOW AND THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO IN THE FUTURE. THIS IS THE COMPARISON OF MONTHLY RESIDENTIAL SERVICES. RIGHT NOW, BASED ON OUR COMPARISON AND REVIEW OF OTHER PEER LOCALITIES, WE ARE A COUPLE OF CENTS OFF -- SHORT, EXCUSE ME, OF THE AVERAGE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, $34.91 IN THE LIGHT BLUE. THE INCREASE THAT WE PROPOSE WILL BRING US UP. YOU SEE IN THE DARK BLUE, ABOVE THE CURRENT AVERAGE AND LOWER THAN TWO OTHER LOCALITIES. BUT I THINK THE REALITY IS MANY, IF NOT MOST OF THOSE OTHER LOCALITIES, WILL ALSO INCREASE THEIR RATES. AGAIN, I'LL USE THE DIRECTOR'S WORD. IT IS A GREAT WORD, DYNAMIC. THIS ENVIRONMENT I THINK IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE DYNAMIC. WE CAN DO SNAPSHOTS IN TIME. YOU SEE WHAT THAT IS HERE. BUT ALL SIGNS POINT TO INCREASES IN THE FUTURE, DEPENDING UPON THE LOCALITY NEEDS, THEIR HISTORY, ET CETERA. I KNOW DIRECTOR WASHINGTON ALREADY HAS INFORMATION ABOUT OTHERS THAT ALREADY PLANNED TO INCREASE THEIR RATES. THIS IS A RETROSPECTIVE AND PROSPECTIVE LOOK AT THE RESIDENTIAL MONTHLY BILLING. HERE YOU SEE THAT NEARLY DECADE LONG FLATLINING OF THE RESIDENTIAL IN THE LIGHT BLUE. NO RATE ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE PAST NINE YEARS. YOU SEE WE HAD INCREMENTAL INCREASES PRIOR TO THAT. WE WOULD LOVE FOR COUNCIL TO APPROVE INCREMENTAL INCREASES GOING FORWARD, BUT TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA'S POINT THAT STAGNATION OF OUR REVENUES AND MY PREVIOUS ASSERTION IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE, ESPECIALLY IN AN EXPENSE INCREASE ENVIRONMENT. IF I COULD HAVE THE ELMO UP BRIEFLY CLEAN BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE SLIDE, BECAUSE THIS IS SLIDE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE SLIDE, THIS IS SLIDE 12 THAT I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT, YOU CAN SEE HISTORICALLY -- MEAN, IT IS A VERY PREDICTABLE, THE INCREASE FROM 12 TO 15 WASN'T TERRIBLY SIGNIFICANT. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE'VE HAD ALL THIS PERIOD, CREATED PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH NINE YEARS OF FLAT LINE. IT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT JUMP FROM 24 TO 28. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WANTED THE EXPLANATION. THE CONSEQUENCES OF DOING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A GRADUAL INCREASE TO NOT HAVE IT GO FROM WHERE WE ARE TODAY, JUST A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 35 TO UP TO $55 A MONTH IN ALMOST THE BLINK OF AN EYE. WE'RE REALLY ONLY TALKING JUST A FEW YEARS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: UNDERSTOOD. WE'LL BRING YOU A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. IF YOU LIKE THIS FORMAT, WE CAN LAY IT OUT IN THIS FORMAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WELL, I THINK PART OF THE THING IS, IF YOU WERE GRANTED THIS TYPE OF AN INCREASE, WHAT DOES THAT BUY THE TAXPAYERS? WHAT IS THE RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT? WHAT SHOULD THEY EXPECT FOR THAT? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I STARTED HEARING APRIL 15, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING HAPPEN SINCE. WE'RE GOING ON NINE YEARS. BUT IF WE WOULD HAVE ADDED OR INCREASED IT A DOLLAR A YEAR SINCE, WE WOULD BE 43. IT WAS LESS OF AN IMPACT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT 2019 TO 2014, AS YOU SHOWED WITH THE BINS AND THE CARTS, THE COST HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS. DOUBLE FOR THE BIG BINS AND FROM 44 TO 54 -- I'M SORRY, YEAH, THE CARTS 44 TO 54. THE BINS DOUBLING, WE'RE JUST NOT KEEPING UP WITH THE BASICS. AND IN THE PREVIOUS CHART YOU SHOWED OUR RATES ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, BUT I NOTICED THAT AT ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY YEAH GAINESVILLE THEY ONLY DO ONE TIME A WEEK COLLECTION WHERE WE'RE MAINTAINING THAT TOO. WE'RE GETTING MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK. WE'RE PROVIDING BETTER SERVICE IN COMPARISON, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THIS NINE YEARS AGO SAYING 50 CENTS MORE, A DOLLAR MORE, SMALLER, AND WE WOULD BE AHEAD OF THE GAME. WE CAN'T GO BACK IN TIME. AS COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN ASKED, WHERE CAN WE SOFTEN THE BLOW. YOU SAID YOU WOULD BE BRINGING DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. NOW WE'RE GOING FROM 34 TO 54 WITHIN A FOUR-YEAR PERIOD. WE'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YEAH, OBVIOUSLY SOME SORT OF AN INCREASE IS WARRANTED. I THINK THE OVERALL THING WE HAVE TO DISCUSS WITH THE PUBLIC IS THE OBVIOUS. SINCE -- COVID WAS 2020, SINCE THE RETURN TO WORK FROM COVID THERE'S BEEN MASS INFLATION. THE UNITED STATES HAS BEEN BLESSED TO HAVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF INFLATION RATE AMONG MANY, MANY COUNTRIES, BUT IT'S BEEN HIGH. IN 2021, I THINK INFLATION WAS AT 9, 10 PERCENT. FLORIDA UP UNTIL RECENTLY IT WAS 8, 9, 10% -- OR STRIKE THAT, IN THE TAMPA BAY AREA. NOW IT'S GONE DOWN TO 3 OR 4 PERCENT. BUT THAT'S STILL VERY, VERY HIGH. SO, YOU KNOW, AND OBVIOUSLY LOCAL GOVERNMENT MUNICIPALITIES HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY THAT ADVERSE INFLATION. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF MATHEMATICS WHICH IS IF WE WANT TO PAY FOR THINGS AND OUR BASIC NEEDS, THEN SOME ADJUSTMENT HAS TO BE DONE. THAT BEING SAID, I'M WITH COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN THAT OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO SOFTEN THE BLOW, BUT SOME LEVEL OF ADJUSTMENT HAS GOT TO COME UP. IT'S A BASIC MATTER OF JUST INFLATION. THAT GOVERNMENTS HAVE BEEN HIT BY AND WORKING FAMILIES CONTINUE TO BE HIT BY, BUT IF WE WANT TO PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE, THEN AN ADJUSTMENT IS UNFORTUNATELY NECESSARY. IT'S A MATTER OF HOW TO IMPLEMENT IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I WILL TELL YOU THE REASON THE CITY OF GAINESVILLE IS SO HIGH IS BECAUSE THEY INVESTED IN A BIOMASS PLANT. IT WAS A POOR DECISION. BASICALLY THEIR CITIZENS ARE PAYING FOR THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MUCH WAS THAT PROJECT? >>LYNN HURTAK: LIKE A BILLION DOLLARS A LONG TIME AGO. IT WAS BAD, BAD, BAD. SO THEY ARE PAYING FOR THE SINS OF THE PAST. BUT REALLY, I THINK THAT WHAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT HOW -- IF YOU LOOK AT SLIDE 12 ABOUT HOW WE DID NOT INCREASE THE DOLLAR. AND IF WE HAD, WE WOULD BE AT 45 RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS WHAT THEY ARE TRYING FOR IN 2026. SO WE WOULD ALREADY BE AT 45. SO THESE INCREASES WOULDN'T SEEM SO MUCH. I WOULDN'T SAY IT IS JUST THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY. THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL GET TO, WE'RE PLANNING TO MOVE THE ENTIRE FACILITY. THAT IS COSTLY. I'LL LET THEM TALK ABOUT THAT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF I COULD HAVE THE ELMO UP BRIEFLY, IF YOU CAN DO THAT IN THE BACK. THIS IS A SIMPLE 3%. I THINK TO ALMOST EVERYBODY'S POINT, IT CAN BE A DOLLAR, IT CAN BE A PERCENTAGE. OF COURSE, INFLATION ISN'T ALWAYS 3%. IT'S BEEN LESS THAN ONE AND AS HIGH AS SEVEN OR EIGHT. THIS IS A FLAT 3%. WE WOULD ALREADY BE TO THE 2026 LEVEL AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID OF NEARLY $45. WE ARE MAKING UP OR ATTEMPTING TO MAKE UP FOR LOST TIME. BACK TO THE PRESENTATION, PLEASE. THANK YOU. ALSO BACK TO DIRECTOR WASHINGTON. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: BEFORE I TOUCH ON THIS SLIDE, I DO WANT TO CLARIFY FOR YOU, CHAIRMAN, SO IF WE HAVE A CONTAINER IN OUR YARD, WE MAKE SURE WATER IS NOT COLLECTED THERE. BUT IF WATER TOUCHES GARBAGE, IT IS NOW LEACHATE WHICH IS GARBAGE JUICE FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS. WE'LL SAY THAT FOR THE PUBLIC. WE HAVE TO HANDLE THAT PER THE REGULATORY AGENCY. WE HAVE TO MANAGE THAT. JUST TO CLARIFY. SLIDE BACK UP, PLEASE. RATE INCREASE PROVIDE THE FOLLOWING. AS YOU ALL HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING. OPERATING COST THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 2029 WITH THE PROPOSED INCREASES IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE MCKAY BAY, CURRENTLY DOING NOW, WHICH IS THE RETROFIT FOR THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY AND BENEFITS FOR THAT IS LONGEVITY, THE RELIABILITY OF THE FACILITY. THE MORE DAYS AT THE PLANT, GETTING READY FOR QUESTIONS. THE MORE DAYS THAT THE PLANT IS UP AND RUNNING, THE MORE WASTE WE CAN PROCESS. WE'VE PROCESSED UP TO AT MAXIMUM, WE PROCESSED UP TO 330,000 TONS BEFORE. RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 300,000 TONS. SO OUR GOAL IS TO GET BACK UP TO AROUND 320. SHOOTING FOR 330 IS RUNNING TO FAILURE. THIS IS WHY WE HAVE A LARGE RETROFIT NOW. WE DON'T WANT THAT MOVING FORWARD. WE HAVE MULTIPLE INITIATIVES TO PULL WASTE OUT OF THE WASTE STREAM, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE POPULATION IS INCREASING SO RAPIDLY. WE'RE ANTICIPATING AROUND 3,000 TONS AS A SYSTEM. 3,000 TONS PER YEAR MOVING FORWARD. THAT'S YARD WASTE, BULK WASTE, GARBAGE. NOT JUST GOING TO THE WASTE FACILITY. BUT WITH THE FUTURE PROJECTS, WE'RE POISED TO HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE, WHICH REDUCE THE ADDITIONAL WASTE. RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PICTURES ON THE SCREEN. WE HAVE THE ASH BUILDING AND THE COOLING TOWER AS WELL. RIGHT NOW, IF YOU STEP FOOT ON THE CAMPUS, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE ADD A SKIN TO THE ASH BUILDING. WE'RE UP AND RUNNING. THE PROJECT IS GOING VERY WELL. LOOKING FORWARD TO FINISHING UP THE PROJECT VERY SOON. MOVING TO THE RIGHT, YOU HAVE A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE SOLID WASTE COMPLEX WILL PROVIDE <u>S.</u> I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THE NORTH SCALE WHICH IS VERY CRITICAL FOR US WHICH TAKES THE GARBAGE TRUCKS OUTSIDE OF THE SOUTH SCALE ENTRANCE, WHICH WILL HELP US REDUCE TIME AND INCREASE EFFICIENCIES. WITH THAT, THE BENEFITS OF THE RELOCATION ARE REDUCED TIME ON ROUTE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. WASHINGTON, THIS PROJECT, I KNOW A LOT HAS ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR -- NO? WHAT HASN'T -- WHAT HAVEN'T WE BUDGETED IN THIS PROJECT? >>LARRY WASHINGTON: WE DO HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION COMING UP. WE CAN GO ON TO DETAILS ABOUT THE RELOCATION -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I KNOW THE RELOCATION. BUT THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT PAID FOR, CORRECT? >>LARRY WASHINGTON: IT HAS. [ LAUGHTER ] >>DENNIS ROGERO: COUNCIL, OF COURSE, HAS AUTHORIZED A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION. SO WE ARE PAYING FOR THAT. BUT WE HAVE TO ISSUE DEBT SERVICE TO COVER THAT, OTHERWISE WE'RE NOT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. GOOD. WHAT I MEANT IS THIS PROJECT IS MOVING FORWARD. WE AUTHORIZED THE EXPENDITURES OF THESE FUNDS. >> YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID SOMEBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO SAY, YES, WE STILL HAVE TO ISSUE BONDS FOR THIS. SO THEN WE'RE PAYING FOR THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY. THEN WE WANT TO PAY FOR THIS. I WILL TELL YOU, IF YOU HAVE NOT GOTTEN ON A GARBAGE TRUCK AND GONE OUT WITH THESE FOLKS, YOU SHOULD. I'VE DONE TWO TOURS AND STILL HAVE ONE LEFT. PRETTY MUCH EIGHT-HOUR DAYS. IT'S BEEN AMAZING TO SEE WHAT HIS TEAM DOES. BUT RIGHT NOW TO GIVE HIM PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU PUT THAT SLIDE BACK UP, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THIS NORTH SCALE HOUSE. RIGHT NOW, THE BOTTOM IS WHERE THE SCALE HOUSE IS NOW. AND OUR GARBAGE TRUCKS HAVE TO SIT IN LINE WITH ALL OF THE OTHER PEOPLE. AND THEY HAVE NO OPTION. THEY HAVE TO SIT THERE. WE GOT THROUGH RELATIVELY QUICKLY. I THINK ONLY A 15-MINUTE WAIT. THEY SAID YEAH IF WE HIT IT AN HOUR LATER WE WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE 45 MINUTES. BY THE TIME WE LEFT, THE LINE HAD BACKED UP. SO IN ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE A SEPARATE SCALE WOULD ABSOLUTELY SPEED THINGS ALONG. A LOT OF THIS IS JUST IMPROVING EFFICIENCY AND RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. THIS IS ACTUALLY REALLY EXCITING WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING ON DOING HERE. I KNOW THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT DURING YOUR PRESENTATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU AND LARRY WASHINGTON, THE ONLY PEOPLE I KNOW WHO GET EXCITED ABOUT GARBAGE. [ LAUGHTER ] OKAY. CONTINUE. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILWOMAN, WE HAVE THE EFFICIENCIES GAINED THERE. WITH THAT, WE HAVE INCREASED THROUGHPUT FOR THE CUSTOMERS AS WELL WHICH RESULTS IN INCREASED REVENUE. AND DECREASED WAIT TIMES AND OVERALL, DECREASED OR AT LEAST A REDUCTION IN COLLECTION TIMES FOR THE CITIZENS AT-LARGE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: ENTERPRISE FUND, A QUICK REFRESH FOR THE PUBLIC. AGAIN, DISTINGUISHING SOLID WASTE AND SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS, WATER AND WASTEWATER, FOR EXAMPLE, FROM OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS. THESE ARE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE MANDATED TO RUN IN QUITE SIMPLE TERMS LIKE A BUSINESS. THEIR REVENUES ARE CONFINED TO ONLY THEIR OPERATIONS. WE CAN'T TAKE SOLID WASTE MONEY AND USE IT FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FOR EXAMPLE. AND WE DEMAND THAT THEY BE SELF-SUSTAINING, WHICH IS, AGAIN, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE BEFORE YOU TODAY. IN CONTRAST TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR, ANY PROFITS, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, PROFITS GENERATED ARE REINVESTED BACK INTO THE BUSINESS. AND THAT DEFINES AN ENTERPRISE FUND GENERALLY IN GOVERNMENT. AGAIN, PARKING IS ALSO, PARKING, WATER, WASTEWATER, SOLID WASTE. LITTLE REFRESHER ON ENTERPRISE FUNDING. THE RATE DESIGN STRATEGIES, AGAIN, AS WE GET INTO MORE DETAIL IN THE RATES THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING, OF COURSE, FIRST AND FOREMOST, SUFFICIENT REVENUES TO MEET PROJECTED REQUIREMENTS. BUT ALSO, BULLET NUMBER TWO IS PRETTY IMPORTANT. IT SEEMS PRETTY OBVIOUS IN RETROSPECT THAT THEIR RATES WERE NOT DEVELOPED TO FULLY RECOVER COSTS. THAT IS THE BEST PRACTICE AND THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO BRING THESE RATES TODAY. RECOVERING THEIR COST ALONG WITH THEIR OTHER NEEDS, NOT JUST THEIR COSTS, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LOOK FOR IN A BUSINESS. AND THEN NOT ONLY ADJUSTING THEIR EXISTING RATES, BUT AS WE'LL GET INTO MORE DETAIL, DEVELOPING NEW RATES AND CHARGES FOR THINGS THAT WE IN THE PAST WE HAVEN'T CHARGED FOR. WE THINK WE NEED TO NOW. FIRST UP, THE RESIDENTIAL COLLECTION RATE RECOMMENDATIONS. YOU SEE ANNUALLY FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEN INDEXED THEREAFTER AS WE'VE DISCUSSED. IT'S ABOUT THREE OR FOUR DOLLARS A YEAR FOR THE FIVE YEARS TOTALING ABOUT $20 OVER THAT FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. WE ARE GOING TO OFFER A CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE ALREADY OFFER, WHICH IS THE SENIOR DISCOUNT. SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO FOR THE WATER AND WASTEWATER FEES, GOING TO OFFER A LOW-INCOME DISCOUNT. AND THAT LAST BULLET WE WANT TO STRESS THIS IS PAID FOR BY THE GENERAL FUND. BECAUSE IT'S A BUSINESS, IT CAN'T OFFER DISCOUNTS. ANY DISCOUNTING HAS TO BE THE BURDEN OF THE GENERAL FUND. BUT WE WANT TO DO THAT. OF COURSE, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WILL HAVE A HARDSHIP FROM SOME OF THESE RATES, AND WE WANT TO ASSIST THEM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT IS THE PROJECTED ADDITIONAL COST OF PROVIDING THE LOW INCOME 50% AMI TO THE GENERAL FUND? >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DON'T HAVE THAT ON ME. BUT I'LL CIRCLE BACK TO -- TO THE COMMERCIAL COLLECTIONS, AGAIN, ANNUAL INCREASES OVER FIVE YEARS. THEY ARE MUCH TOO DETAILED AND NUANCED TO PROVIDE A SLIDE THAT I CAN SPEAK TO, ALTHOUGH MR. WASHINGTON WILL BE SPEAKING IN MORE DETAIL IN A MOMENT. VARIOUS FEES BASED ON VARIOUS CONDITIONS. OF COURSE, THE TIPPING FEW HE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. PER TON, YOU SEE THE ESCALATION OVER THAT FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, ALONG WITH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, A $100 ADDITIONAL CHARGE FOR OUT-OF-COUNTY -- YES, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? THE DIRECTOR SPEAKS TO IT BETTER THAN I DO ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. GO AHEAD, SIR. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: SO GO INTO DETAIL, AT TIMES WE RECEIV CUSTOMERS COMING TO OUR SCALE HOUSE FROM OUT OF STATE. UPWARDS TO ALABAMA, NOT A LOT FROM ALABAMA BUT WE DO HAVE SOME COMING FROM ALABAMA. WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS COMING FROM ORLANDO AS WELL. MOST MUNICIPALITIES HAVE AN OUT-OF-COUNTY ADDITIONAL FEE THAT THEY CHARGE THOSE INDIVIDUALS. WE UNFORTUNATELY DO NOT. WE WANT TO RIGHT THAT WRONG AND THEN CHARGE THEM ADDITIONAL WHEN THEY WANT TO UTILIZE OUR FACILITY MOVING FORWARD. WHEN THEY WANT TO UTILIZE OUR FACILITY MOVING FORWARD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S GOOD. MAKES SENSE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: WHEN I LEARNED THAT, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I ASKED THE DIRECTOR TO HIGHLIGHT IT, IT ASTOUNDED ME THAT OUR RATES ARE SO LOW. WE'RE NOT IN NORTH FLORIDA. PEOPLE ARE STILL COMING FROM ALABAMA BECAUSE OUR RATES ARE SO LOW. WE HOPE TO REMEDY THAT. THE NEW MISCELLANEOUS FEES, AGAIN, DIRECTOR WASHINGTON. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: THANK YOU, CFO DENNIS. THE NEW MISCELLANEOUS FEES, MOST OF THESE FEES ARE ALREADY -- WE ARE COMING FORWARD WITH THESE FEES BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY SERVICES RENDERED. WE HAVE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL CARTS AND I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN OUT EN ROUTE. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU HAVE. YOU'VE SEEN THIS FIRSTHAND. WE HAVE CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS THAT MAY HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE OR FOUR -- I'VE SEEN UPWARDS OF FOUR CARTS AT THEIR HOME. NOW, WE ARE COLLECTING IT PER THE ORDINANCE, WE MUST COLLECT THE WASTE. HOWEVER, SIMILAR TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AS WELL, THEY CHARGE THOSE ADDITIONAL CONTAINERS. NOW MOVING FORWARD WITH SOME OF OUR OTHER INITIATIVES, ROUTE WARE, GIVE US THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE AND VERIFICATION, WE CAN GUARANTEE, MA'AM, YOU HAVE TWO CARTS. DO YOU WANT TO ELECT TO KEEP THIS CART, YES OR NO? AND THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CHARGE YOU A NOMINAL FEE, WHICH IS ROUGHLY $20. THAT'S $20 A MONTH FOR EACH ADDITIONAL CART, UPWARDS TO FOUR CONTAINERS TOTAL. IF YOU NEED MORE THAN FOUR CONTAINERS, YOU MUST HAVE A SMALL BUSINESS GOING ON AND YOU NEED A FRONT LOAD CONTAINER. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A MAXIMUM FOUR CONTAINERS. MOVING FORWARD, COMMERCIAL RECYCLING CARTS. ONCE UPON A TIME WE WERE RECEIVING MONEY FOR RECYCLING. STOPPED ACCEPTING RECYCLABLE MATERIAL THEN WE HAD A SHORTFALL IN REVENUE. WE CURRENTLY ARE NOT CHARGING FOR COMMERCIAL RECYCLING CARTS. SIMILAR TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES LIKE ORLANDO THEY CHARGE AROUND $20 FOR THEIR COMMERCIAL RECYCLING CARTS. WE LIKE TO DO THE SAME THING AS WELL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU SAY ORLANDO IS CHARGING $20 AND YOU WANT TO CHARGE -- >>LARRY WASHINGTON: THE SAME, EQUIVALENT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: KEEP IT ON PAR. HOW MANY COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS REQUEST THOSE CARTS OR USE THOSE? >>LARRY WASHINGTON: WE HAVE A LOT. AROUND 10,000 CARTS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TIMES $20 A MONTH. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S A LOT OF REVENUE. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: IT'S SUBSTANTIAL. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING. JUST GOING BACK FOR A SECOND ON PAGE 16, WHEN YOU SAY THAT THE REVENUE INCREASED OVER FIVE YEARS IS $20.05. I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT BETWEEN THE 25 TO 26 THERE IS BASICALLY WHAT IS IT A 31-CENT INCREASE. MULTIPLY THAT. SHOULD PUT A FACTOR BY 12 EQUALS THE SUMS OF THE DIGITS. THE WAY IT IS PRESENTED, NOTHING ADDS UP BECAUSE IT IS INDIVIDUAL MONTHS BUT TALKING ABOUT THE TOTAL FIVE-YEAR SPAN WHICH IS 60 MONTHS. IN OTHER WORDS, FOR ANYONE TO UNDERSTAND PAGE 16, YOU HAVE TO MULTIPLY -- YOU GOT TO TAKE 363 FROM 332, WHICH IS 31 CENTS, MULTIPLY THAT BY 12 AND DO THE SUMS EVERYWHERE DOWN BY 12. IT IS NOT EXPLAINED AND DIFFICULT FOR SOMEONE WHO IS NOT INVOLVED WITH THIS TO UNDERSTAND IT. I'M NOT TRYING TO CORRECT IT. I'M SAYING IT'S FINE, BUT IN MY OPINION YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT 31 CENTS TIMES 12 EQUALS 33 CENTS BECAUSE IT DOES CHANGE FROM 31 TO 35, 35, SO FORTH AND SO ON. IT'S EXPLAINABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND THEY UNDERSTAND. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I AGREE THERE'S SOME CONVERSATION I HEARD ABOUT YOUR REGULAR CONTAINERS. AREA. IT LOOKS NASTY. SOME OF THEM SPILL OVER. I'M NOT SAYING YOU'VE GOT TO GET RID OF ALL OF THEM BUT SHOULD BE SOMETHING DONE TO MINIMIZE THE PUBLIC VIEW OF IT. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: AGREED. TO YOUR POINT, I'LL GO BACK TO THE SLIDE AS WELL. WE WANT TO MITIGATE SOME OF THAT WITH THE CHARGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ONCE WE RECEIVE APPROVAL PER COUNCIL. RETURN TRIP CHARGE AS WELL. IF WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT FAIL TO SET THEIR GARBAGE CURBSIDE AND THEY WANT TO ELECT, THEY DON'T WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THE SECOND SERVICE DAY, THEY ELECT FOR THE TRUCK TO COME BACK, COST $125 TO COME BACK AND CHARGE -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MUCH DID YOU SAY TO COME BACK? >>LARRY WASHINGTON: FOR US AS A DEPARTMENT $125. WE WILL NOT CHARGE THE CUSTOMER THAT. IT WOULD BE A LOT LESS THAN $125, BUT IT COSTS THE DEPARTMENT $125 TO COME BACK TO A HOME, DISPOSE, GO BACK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON AND -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE DATA ON THAT. HOW MANY PEOPLE REQUEST A RETURN TRIP? BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER DONE THAT, EVEN THOUGH I'VE WANTED TO BECAUSE I MISSED MY TIMELINE. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: SOME INDIVIDUALS, OR SOME CUSTOMERS WILL SAY, HEY, THE TRUCK JUST MISSED ME AND THEN WE'LL PULL THE VIDEO, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE VIDEOS TO RECORD INSIDE OF OUR TRUCKS. WE'LL SEE THAT THE CONTAINER WAS NOT SET OUT CURBSIDE. DEPENDS ON IF WE HAVE THE TIME TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THE VIDEOS BECAUSE WE RECEIVE THE CALLS QUITE OFTEN. WE WILL COME BACK BECAUSE IT TAKES SO MUCH MANPOWER TO GO BACK AND REVIEW THE ENTIRE VIDEO. WAIT UNTIL THE TRUCK STOPS, GOES INSIDE THE YARD. WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, IF WE KNOW THERE IS A DOWNED ROUTE, WE DON'T HAVE THE DRIVER TO SERVICE THAT AREA, THEN WE'LL JUST SEND THE TRUCKS BACK OUT TO COLLECT BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY TRULY KNOW, THE TIME TO GO BACK, SPEND THE MAN-HOURS REVIEWING THE WHOLE VIDEO. WE WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO QUICKLY PULL THIS INFORMATION WHEN THE ROUTE WARE COMES ABOARD BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MY QUESTION WAS, HOW MANY A DAY DO YOU HAVE. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: IT'S VERY OFTEN. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT MEANS WE'RE TAKING A LOSS IF IT COSTS $125 EVERY TIME WE DO IT AND THERE IS A LOT, THAT COULD END UP BILLION MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. SO WHILE WE HAVE A POLICY WHERE YOU GO OUT AND DO THAT, OBVIOUSLY IS A CUSTOMER SERVICE, ADDRESSING IT FROM A SERVICE -- BUT COSTING THE CITY WHERE WE ARE RUNNING A DEFICIT. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: TO YOUR POINT, ON SERVICE DAYS, LET'S SAY YOUR COLLECION WAS MONDAY OR TUESDAY AND YOU CALLED IN AND LET US KNOW, WE'LL HAVE AN INDVIDUAL COME IN ON A WEDNESDAY AND COLLECT ALL THE HOMES THAT WERE REPORTEDLY MISSED TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT FOR THE DEPARTMENT VERSUS HAVING TO GO BACK AND FORTH THROUGHOUT THE DAY OR PROVIDING COLLECTION FOR THE WHOLE ENTIRE CITY. WE DO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. WE'RE NOT SENDING OUT EACH TRUCK TO GO BACK AND FORTH EVERY SINGLE TIME WE HAVE A CUSTOMER CALLING IN A MISSED PICKUP. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU ALL ARE OFF WEDNESDAYS. SO YOU'RE PAYING OVERTIME TO GET FOLKS -- SO IT'S DOUBLY BAD FOR US. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: WE ARE NOT PAYING OVERTIME. WHAT WE DO IS WE SHIFT OUR SCHEDULES AROUND SO THE TEAM IS ON TEN-HOUR SHIFTS. CERTAIN DAYS TEN HOURS WORKING FROM START TO FINISH, USUALLY MONDAY AND TUESDAY, AND THEN THE WEEKS WEAN OFF OR THE COLLECTION WEANS OFF THURSDAY AND FRIDAY. SO WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE SCHEDULED FOR THIS TYPE OF COLLECTION. WE DON'T PAY OVERTIME FOR THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. BUT WE'RE PAYING LABOR COSTS THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO IF PEOPLE -- THE OTHER, YOU TOUCHED ON THE NEW SOFTWARE. THAT'S PART OF WHAT THIS IS GOING TO PAY FOR, CORRECT? >>LARRY WASHINGTON: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SOFTWARE? NOW THE TRUCK HAS TO GO BACK, BUT THE NEW SOFTWARE -- >>LARRY WASHINGTON: PROVIDES -- SO THIS IS A TURN-BY-TURN BASE SOFTWARE. THIS IS GARBAGE COLLECTION SOFTWARE SPECIFICALLY FOR COLLECTION VEHICLES. WE'LL HAVE TURN BY TURN. IT ELIMINATES THE USER ERROR OF I WAS ON MY ROUTE. I WENT AND DISPOSSESSED OF THE -- DISPOSED OF THE PACKED OUT TRUCK. RECEIVED 11 TONS OF WASTE, NOW I HAVE TO GO TO THE FACILITY AND DISPOSE AND COME BACK. SOMETIMES WE HAVE OUR DRIVERS, LET'S SAY THEY ARE NEW OR FORGET. THEY FORGET WHERE THEY ARE AT IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE MAPS, PAPER MAPS VERSUS HAVING A SYSTEM THAT SAYS TURN HERE, TURN HERE, TURN HERE AND USE RIGHT TURNS ONLY TO COLLECT. IT WILL PROVIDE TURN BY TURN SERVICE. AND IN ADDITION, SERVICE VERIFICATION. IT'S HARD TO SAY WE DID NOT SERVICE YOU WITHOUT THAT SERVICE VERIFICATION TOOL. NOW WE HAVE THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: OR WE WILL HAVE IT. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: YES, WILL, IN HAD AUGUST. >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE IT KIND OF GOES TO WHAT WE WERE HAVING THE ROUTES AND MAKING SURE THAT THE ROUTES MAKE SENSE AND YOU'RE SAVING MONEY AND TIME. WHEN I WAS RIDING WITH ONE OF THE COMMERCIAL DRIVERS WHO ACTUALLY THEY GO AND THEY PICK UP THE ENTIRE COMPACTOR, IT'S WILD. IT IS THE MOST INTERESTING THING. THEY LITERALLY WENCH IT UP AND TAKE THE WHOLE THING AND DUMP IT AND BRING THE WHOLE THING BACK. IT TOOK AN HOUR TO DO THAT. RIGHT NOW THE GUY I WAS DRIVING WITH WENT TO ONE SPOT, ACTUALLY, IRONICALLY, WE WERE AT HANNA CITY CENTER, WHICH THEY HAD TO COME BACK TO BECAUSE SOMEBODY WAS PARKED IN FRONT OF THE COMPACTOR SO THEY COULDN'T SERVICE IT. THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM IS THAT THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COMPACTERS WHEN PEOPLE PARK IN FRONT OF THE AREAS. THEN WE HAD TO GO ACROSS TOWN TO PICK UP THE NEXT ONE. IT WASN'T EVEN IN THE SAME GENERAL VICINITY AND THIS SOFTWARE IS GOING TO HELP THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOUR LEVEL OF EXCITEMENT WHEN TALKING ABOUT TRASH IS CONCERNING ME. [ LAUGHTER ] >>LYNN HURTAK: IT'S NOT TRASH. IT'S EFFICIENCY. IT'S SAVING MONEY. IT'S SAVING TIME. IT'S AN AMAZING SPACE TO FIX THIS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ARE JUST GIDDY. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM. I LOVE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHEN I TOURED THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY, I THOUGHT IT WAS AWESOME. I UNDERSTAND THE EXCITEMENT. IT'S ACTUALLY VERY FASCINATING. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: WE APPRECIATE THE SOLID WASTE ENTHUSIASTS. IF I CAN GO BACK TO THE SLIDE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'RE GOING TO SLIDE 19. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: ADDITIONAL FEES. PLACING COMPACTERS IN ROLL-OFFS. THIS IS INDUSTRY STANDARD CHARGES THAT WE ARE NOT UTILIZING. WE'RE NOT TAKING ADVANTAGE OF, SO WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT THAT INTO OUR SYSTEM. MOVING SOUTH, SO WE HAVE CART SPECIAL CLEANING, OUR RESIDENTIAL CARTS. AT TIMES WE DO RECEIVE CALLS, HEY, I MIGHT HAVE MAGGOTS IN MY CONTAINER. LET'S SAY YOU PUT FOOD WASTE AND THERE'S SOME SPILLAGE OF WHATEVER YOU HAVE IN THAT BAG. IF YOU WANT -- WE GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS HOW TO CLEAN THEM, BUT IF YOU WANT TO ELECT FOR US TO COME OUT AND CLEAN YOUR CONTAINER, WE'LL HAVE THAT SERVICE. AND THERE IS A FEE. THIS IS NEW, YES. WITHOUT ADDING PERSONNEL. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE PEOPLE WHO PROBABLY GET MAGGOTS ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO MISS THE TRASH PICKUP DAY. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ME. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: WELL, KUDOS TO YOU. THEN WE HAVE OVERLOADED CONTAINERS AS WELL. IF YOUR CONTAINER IS OVERLOADED, WE'LL CHARGE YOU A FEE TO COLLECT IT. IT'S BY TON. USUALLY THAT IS YOUR COMMERCIAL CONTAINERS. IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL. THAT IS NOT RESIDENTIAL. AGAIN, MOST OF THESE ADDITIONAL FEES ARE NEW MISCELLANEOUS FEES, ARE FOR SERVICES ALREADY RENDERED. NOW WE'RE RECEIVING THE FUNDS FOR THESE SERVICES. HEN INTERESTING. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: INTERESTING. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: THANK YOU FOR BEING INTERESTED. HOW OUR RATES AND SERVICES COMPARE TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. AS YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED ABOVE. CITY OF TAMPA $34.91. GARBAGE PICKUP, RECYCLING PICKUP. YARD WASTE AS WELL AND THEN WE HAVE A SWEEP PICKUP AND RESIDENTIAL AS FAR AS THE BRUSH SITE, THE TRANSFER STATION. THESE ARE ALL OF OUR SERVICES LISTED. YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE'RE GOING TO REACH AROUND $50 IN ROUGHLY FIVE YEARS. MIAMI-DADE COUNTY, THEY HAVE ANNOUNCED THIS ALREADY, THEY HAVE A TENTATIVE INCREASE OF 7.3% AND THAT BRINGS THEM UPWARDS TO $45.42. THIS YEAR. NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THAT JUST SHOWS THAT THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA AS LISTED HERE IS MOVING TOWARDS MORE RATE INCREASES. AND THERE ARE OTHER INDIVIDUALS, OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE DOING THE SAME AS WELL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I GET IT. BUT I RAN ON THE PLATFORM OF DON'T TURN TAMPA INTO MIAMI-DADE. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: JUST GENERAL EXAMPLE. I'LL PASS IT BACK OVER TO THE CFO. THANK YOU. >>DNNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, SIR. YOU SEE, COUNCIL, HERE AN EXAMPLE OF OUR AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL TOTAL UTILITY BILL INCREASE ACCOUNTING FOR THE ANTICIPATED INCREASES IN THE WATER AND WASTEWATER DEPARTMENT CHARGES AND SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT. INITIAL YEAR, $8.19. AGAIN, STAYS PRETTY CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE YEARS FOR A TOTAL OF $39 OVER THAT FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS WHAT I WAS SPEAKING TO. AGAIN, ALL OF THIS -- OR ALL OF THESE EXERCISES HAVEN'T BEEN DONE IN A VACUUM. NOT ONLY ARE WE TRYING TO INCREASE FUND BALANCES, COVER OPERATING EXPENDITURES, FUND PROJECTS, BUT ALL OF THIS WITH AN EYE TO GOING TO THE BOND MARKET. TO GET THE BEST RATE. THEY, THE INVESTORS AND THE MARKET DEMAND CERTAIN THINGS. YOU SEE THIS SNIPPET FROM MOODY'S RATING METHODOLOGY. AGAIN, WE WILL ADHERE TO AND PROVIDE PRESENTATIONS TO MOODY'S, STANDARD & POOR'S AND FITCH RATING AGENCIES FOR THESE DEBT ISSUANCES. YOU SEE SOME OF THE CRITERIA HERE. I ALSO WANT TO GIVE SOME CREDIT TO RAFTELIS AND PUBLIC RESOURCES ADVISORY GROUP. RAFTELIS IS OUR THIRD-PARTY CONSULTANT. JUST A TREMENDOUS DEPTH AND BREADTH OF EXPERIENCE IN DOING THESE THINGS. WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM IN THE PAST. OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS, PUBLIC RESOURCES ADVISORY GROUP OR PRAG, OUTSTANDING FINANCE PROFESSIONALS. THANK YOU TO THEM. AGAIN, NONE OF IT HAS BEEN DONE IN A VACUUM IN TERMS OF TEAM WORKERS, LARRY AND MY SHOP. SYSTEM CHARACTERISTICS. HOW OLD ARE THE ASSETS AND WHAT'S THEIR CONDITION? WE'RE TAKING CARE TO A GREAT EXTENT OF THAT FIRST BULLET POINT. ASSET CONDITION. THE EXTENSIVE REFURB AND REHABILITATION ON THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY. THAT IS GOING TO BE A BIG PLUS FROM THE MARKET'S PERSPECTIVE. WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT BORROW MONEY FOR SOMETHING THAT WILL COLLAPSE THE DAY AFTER THEY ISSUE THE DEBT. OUR SERVICE SIZE. OPERATING AND MAINTENANCE AND ANNUAL EXPENDITURES. YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE RANGE? IS OUR SERVICE SIZE 65 MILLION? IS OUR SERVICE SIZE 200 MILLION? OUR SYSTEM IS A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED MILLION. AGAIN, OF A DETERMINANT SUFFICIENT SIZE FOR THE DEBT SERVICE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE REQUESTING. IF YOU'RE IN A VERY SMALL LOCALITY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A VERY GOOD TIME REQUESTING A HUNDRED PLUS MILLION DOLLARS FOR SOMETHING. WE'VE GOT THAT SIZE. OUR SERVICE AREA, OUR MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME ARE YOUR RESIDENTS. FROM A STATISTICAL BE ABLE TO BEAR THE RATE STRUCTURE. THIS IS YEAR AFTER YEAR. WE THINK IT IS VERY MODERATE AND MINIMAL. WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE RATING AGENCIES ARE GOING TO SAY THE SAME BASED ON OUR AREA MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU MUST MADE A COMMENT. YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF RAFTELIS TO THE CITY, NOT CITY COUNCIL PROPOSING THIS RATE STRUCTURE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES. THAT WE ARE PROPOSING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU'RE TELLING US. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION. AGAIN, WE'LL COME BACK WITH DIFFERENT CRITERIA AND DIFFERENT SUBDIVISIONS BASED ON COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK. A COUPLE OF THE OTHER RATING CONSIDERATIONS FINANCIAL STRENGTH. WHY DOES IT MATTER? IT MATTERS FOR ANY NUMBER OF REASONS. THIS IS DIRECTLY FROM THE MOODY'S RATING CRITERIA, THE FINANCIAL HEALTH OF A UTILITY DETERMINES ITS FLEXIBILITY TO RESPOND TO CONTINGENCIES, RESILIENCE AGAINST POTENTIAL SHORT-TERM SHOCKS AND CUSHION AGAINST LONG-TERM UNFAVORABLE TREND. OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT ONE RIGHT IN THE REARVIEW MIRROR, THE PANDEMIC. BUT AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, AS THEY SAY IN THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PROFESSION, THINGS THAT HAVE NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE HAPPEN ALL THE TIME. SO WE HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE AND STRONG ENOUGH TO RESPOND TO UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES. AND THIS IS WHERE WE GET INTO SOME OF THOSE DETAILS I WAS TALKING ABOUT. THE ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE. TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THE HIGHEST RATING AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR, THEY REQUIRE 200% OF NET REVENUE AVAILABLE TO COVER ANY DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS. OUR FORECAST PUTS US WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR CRITERIA. AGAIN, WE'RE SHOOTING VERY HIGH FOR OUR RATING BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO TRANSLATE AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU FIGURES FOR THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING. THAT'S GOING TO TRANSLATE INTO CONSIDERABLE SAVINGS SHOULD COUNCIL DECIDE TO ISSUE THIS DEBT. DAY'S CASH ON HAND. ANOTHER CRITERIA SEPARATE AND APART FROM DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE. HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE? A HUNDRED DAYS? 150 DAYS? 250 DAYS. WE'RE SHOOTING FOR 150 DAYS. SHOOTING FOR ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT WOULD, OF COURSE, NECESSITATE AN INCREASE ABOVE WHAT WE'VE PROPOSED TO YOU. WE THINK THAT IS A HAPPY MEDIAN. DEBT TO OPERATING REVENUE, TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THE HIGHEST RATING, THEY WANT TO HAVE LESS THAN -- WE MUST HAVE LESS THAN TWO TIMES OUR RATE PLAN ACCOUNTS FOR THAT UP TO THE SECOND HIGHEST RATING CRITERIA. I SAY THAT BECAUSE, AGAIN, SO MANY DIFFERENT CRITERIA FOR THESE RATING AGENCIES, AND WE'LL GATHER MORE INFORMATION AS THEY GRILL US, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DO, BEFORE WE ISSUE THE DEBT. ALL THREE OF THEM WILL GET THEIR FEEDBACK, THEY WILL GET OUR FEEDBACK. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WEIGH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT CRITERIAS TO GET US THE BEST POSSIBLE RATING WITH THE FINANCE STRUCTURE AND RATE STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. MANAGEMENT. WELL, WE'RE A LITTLE BIASED. WE THINK WE HAVE A GREAT OPERATION MANAGEMENT IN PLACE. WE REALLY DO. I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT OUR STRENGTHS OF OPERATING, MANAGEMENT, AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT ARE WHAT HAVE ALLOWED US TO GET TO THIS POINT SO FAR WITH SUCH A PLATEAUED RATE STRUCTURE. SO WE FEEL VERY, VERY STRONG THERE. REGULATORY COMPLIANCE AND CAPITAL PLANNING. THAT'S GOING TO BE -- THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE DID THE RATE STUDY, TO CHECK ALL OF THESE BOXES AND, OF COURSE, THE RATING AGENCIES AND THE MARKET WILL GO THROUGH THE RATE STUDY WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB. LEGAL PROVISIONS. THE RATING AGENCIES WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A LONG-TERM STRATEGY. I'VE SAID IT BEFORE. I'M SURE I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. THE PIPES PROGRAM WAS A WONDERFUL TEMPLATE FOR THIS. COUNCIL APPROVED AN ONGOING, PROGRESSIVE RATE STRUCTURE INTO THE FUTURE THAT WE AND THE RATING AGENCIES AND OBVIOUSLY THE MARKET, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL, FELT ACCOMMODATED ALL OF THOSE BIG PROJECTS THAT WE PLAN TO DO, AGAIN, 20 YEARS, NEARLY $3 BILLION. SO THE RATING AGENCIES IN THE MARKET WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THAT AGAIN, THAT WE'VE PLANNED FOR THAT. THE RATE COVENANT. THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED IN OUR BORROWING PROCESS. AGAIN, WE ARE OBLIGATING FUNDS TO PAY FOR THIS. THE DEBT SERVICE RESERVE REQUIREMENTS. AGAIN, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CRITERIA THAT THE RATING AGENCIES AND THE MARKET WILL LOOK AT AS I'VE MENTIONED. THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT HAS NO DEBT NOW. SO THEY DON'T HAVE A DEBT SERVICE RESERVE REQUIREMENT, BUT THEY WILL. AGAIN, ALL PART OF BOLSTERING THAT FINANCIAL PICTURE NOT ONLY FOR OUR CONFIDENCE, COUNCIL'S CONFIDENCE, THE PUBLIC'S CONFIDENCE, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE BUYING OUR BONDS. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THAT. YOU SAID SOLID WASTE HAS NO DEBT SERVICE RIGHT NOW. HOW ARE WE PAYING FOR THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY? WE HAVE TO TAKE OUT BONDS ON THAT BUT HOW ARE WE PAYING FOR IT RIGHT NOW? >>DENNIS ROGERO: RIGHT NOW WE ARE FLOATING THE MONEY FROM CASH. AND THAT'S PART OF THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION THAT COUNCIL APPROVED. IT ALLOWED US TO START SPENDING MONEY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF AN UNKNOWN SITUATION WITH THE TURBINE OUT THERE THAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN SPEAK MUCH BETTER. WE WANTED TO GET A JUMP ON THAT. THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION WILL ALLOW US TO PAY OURSELVES BACK FROM THE DEBT SERVICE. VERY GOOD QUESTION. HOW WE'RE MANAGING TO KEEP BOTH THOSE BALLS IN THE AIR. >>LYNN HURTAK: REALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THIS RATE INCREASE IS GOING TO PAY FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW PLUS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: AGAIN, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS MANY TIMES. WE THINK AND HOPE WE DID A GOOD JOB OF TELEGRAPHING, AGAIN, THAT IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING A PROPOSAL TO CITY COUNCIL. YOU SEE THE VARIOUS TIMES WE'VE DONE THAT. OF COURSE, THE NUMBERS CHANGED OVER TIME. IN A DYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT, BUT WE THINK WE'VE GOT A LOCK ON IT NOW, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE BRINGING THIS TO YOU. OUR FINANCING PLAN, PREFERRED FINANCING PLAN, STEP ONE, IT WILL BE THIS MONTH -- EXCUSE ME, NEXT MONTH WE'LL ASK COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE A BANK NOTE FOR THAT WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY PROJECT, ABOUT $120 MILLION. I WON'T GET TOO INTO THE DETAILS UNLESS YOU'D LIKE ME TO. ONE OF THE REASONS YOU SEE STEP ONE, BANK NOTE, STEP TWO, LINE OF CREDIT, A BANK NOTE WILL ALLOW US TO TAKE ALMOST ALL OF THE MONEY OR ALL THE MONEY IF WE NEED IT RIGHT THEN. BECAUSE THIS SHOULD BE A ONE-SHOT. A ONE-YEAR EXPENSE. WE DON'T WANT TO BORROW MONEY FOR PROJECTS TWO, THREE, FOUR YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND PAY INTEREST ON IT AND WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR YET. THAT'S WHAT A BANK NOTE WILL ALLOW US TO DO. NOW, REGARDING THE RELOCATION PROJECT, AGAIN, YOU'LL RECALL FROM THE PREVIOUS SLIDES THAT'S GOING TO BE A MULTIYEAR PROJECT. WE DON'T WANT TO DRAW DOWN $130 MILLION AND BE PAYING INTEREST ON THAT. A LINE OF CREDIT WILL ALLOW US TO ONLY DRAW WHAT WE NEED WHEN WE NEED IT. SO WE'RE ONLY PAYING INTEREST ON THAT. THOSE ARE THE SHORT TERMS. IN A PERFECT WORLD WHAT WE WOULD LIKE IN AROUND 2027 IS TO CONSOLIDATE, AND WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, CONSOLIDATE THOSE TWO SHORT-TERM ISSUANCES INTO WHAT IS TYPICALLY RECOGNIZED AS GOVERNMENT FINANCE, A 30ISH YEAR BOND. ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS IN TOTAL. THAT'S SIMPLY THE COMBINATION OF STEP ONE AND STEP TWO. A COUPLE OF ADVANTAGES IN THAT, ONE, WE WOULD HOPE BY THAT TIME PERHAPS, BUT, AGAIN, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW, ESPECIALLY YEARS INTO THE FUTURE. WILL RATES BE LESS? AS I'LL TALK ABOUT IN A MOMENT, RATES ARE STILL HISTORICALLY LOW BUT NOWHERE NEAR AS LOW AS WE HAVE ALL GOTTEN USED TO IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. BORROWING AND MONEY WAS VERY, VERY INEXPENSIVE. IT'S NOT AS INEXPENSIVE AS IT WAS. SO THAT'S OUR FINANCING PLAN. WANTED TO BREAK THAT DOWN. AGAIN, IT'S ILLUSTRATIVE. IT WILL CHANGE SOMEWHAT BASED ON TIME FRAMES AND AMOUNTS. BUT GENERALLY IN 2027 WE'LL BE LOOKING TO ISSUE $250 MILLION BOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT INTEREST RATES AND HOW THEY WERE -- I MEAN, NOT FREE MONEY BUT YEARS AGO IT WAS VERY CHEAP. AND NOW WE SEE CAR LOANS AT 8% WITH GREAT CREDIT. MORTGAGES ARE HIGH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS GOING TO DO IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. TALKING ABOUT SMALL REDUCTIONS BUT IT REALLY HASN'T HAPPENED. FROM NOW TO 2027, BEFORE WE ISSUE THAT $250 MILLION HOPEFULLY -- AND WE ARE HIGHLY RATED. YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THAT VERY PROUDLY AND FOR GOOD REASON. WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE. BUT HOPEFULLY RATES COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS EXPENSIVE TO BORROW AND BOND THAT MONEY. TIME WILL TELL BETWEEN NOW AND THREE YEARS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, IT WILL. YOU'VE GOT ANY NUMBER OF GEOPOLITICAL AND U.S. POLITICAL THINGS GOING ON THAT COULD INFLUENCE IT TOMORROW. IT COULD INFLUENCE IT IN FIVE YEARS. BUT WE WOULD HOPE AND LOOK FOR OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS GENERALLY THE FEDERAL RESERVE RATE TO GO DOWN AND THEN SPECIFICALLY BORROWING COSTS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEN YOU HAVE PROJECTED DEBT SERVICE, CORRECT? >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, IF I CAN HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE. WE THINK THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE PICTURE AT THIS TIME. AGAIN, YOU SEE THE INTEREST RATE 4.5. FAR HIGHER THAN WE'VE EXPERIENCED RECENTLY, BUT NOT UNUSUALLY HIGH FOR THIS PARTICULAR ENVIRONMENT. AGAIN, IT'S ILLUSTRATIVE. WE'RE NOT ASKING TO GO OUT AND BORROW $250 MILLION RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU SEE AT THAT RATE FOR THAT TIME PERIOD, THE TOTAL INTEREST IS JUST ABOUT THE COST OF THE PROJECT. IN MY EXPERIENCE I'VE SEEN MANY PROJECTS WHERE THE INTEREST COST EXCEEDED THE COST OF THE PROJECT. AGAIN, PART OF IT IS THE MARKET. PART IS THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT. ANNUAL BOND PAYMENTS YOU SEE THERE OF A LITTLE OVER $14.5 MILLION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET ME ASK YOU, CIT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S COMING UP. IS CIT MONEY ALLOWED TO BE SPENT ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS INSTEAD OF HAVING TO BOND OUT THE $250 MILLION, CAN WE USE CASH BOND LESS BECAUSE $248.5 MILLION JUST IN INTEREST. IS THERE A WAY TO APPLY CIT TO THAT OR NOT ALLOWABLE? >>DENNIS ROGERO: YOU COULD. IT MAY BE A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX. I'LL PREFACE MY COMMENTS BY SAYING I THINK THE DEMANDS ON THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX AREN'T GOING TO ALLOW THAT. BUT FROM A CAPABILITY PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE WE ARE ISSUANCES -- [ENCODER DISCONNECT] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: -- I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT BORROWING THE LEAST AMOUNT POSSIBLE BECAUSE THE INTEREST IS RIDICULOUS. IT'S WHAT IS EXPECTED THE COST OF THE PROJECT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ON THESE TYPES OF INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW I FEEL PAY GO IS THE WAY TO GO. IN MY VIEWPOINT, PERFECTLY -- I.E., BONDING, BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING, ALL THESE PEOPLE WILL BE MOVING HERE. THEY NEED TO PAY THEIR SHARE AS WELL. WHEN THEY COME HERE, THEY CAN PAY INTO THIS AS WELL. SO THE BURDEN ISN'T ALWAYS ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY HERE FOR FUTURE RESIDENTS. THAT DOESN'T CONCERN ME AS MUCH IN THIS TYPE OF PROJECT. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANT AND COMPRESSED INCREASE IN TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE SOME PROPOSALS OF WHAT THE IMPACT IF WE COULD MAYBE STRETCH OUT THAT FIVE-YEAR TERM FOR THE RATE INCREASES FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER TO MAKE THE CLIMB IN INCREASES LESS IMPACTFUL ON OUR RESIDENTS. MR. WASHINGTON, YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THE NEED OF IN ABOUT 20 YEARS WE'LL HAVE TO REPLACE THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT. AND THIS IS FIVE YEARS INTO PROBABLY THAT 20-YEAR CYCLE. WE'RE ALMOST IMMEDIATELY TALKING ABOUT PLANNING TO BUILD -- IN TODAY'S DOLLAR, A BILLION DOLLAR NEW FACILITY. THIS DEBT IS 34 YEARS. IF WE HAVE TO REPLACE THAT THING IN 20 YEARS, WE STILL OWE 14 YEARS OF THIS DEBT AND HAVE TO TAKE ON ANOTHER BILLION DOLLARS IN FISCAL YEAR 24 MONEY TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE THAT. I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO YOUR EQUATIONS? >>LARRY WASHINGTON: WE WON'T HAVE TO REPLACE THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY IN 20 YEARS. THE RETROFIT NOW IS GIVING US THE LIFE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE IT FOR 20 YEARS MOVING FORWARD. WE DO HAVE MULTIPLE INITIATIVES TO MANAGE THE WASTE COMING IN. WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO TRY TO BUILD ANOTHER WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY. WE CAN MANAGE THE WASTE IN DIFFERENT WAYS. WE CAN TAKE THE FOOD WASTE. FOOD WASTE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA IS AROUND 40% OF THE WASTE GENERATED. SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS WHERE WE HAVE COMPOSTING PROGRAMS WHERE YOU CAN ELECT TO TAKE A CLASS AND THEN AFTER YOU FINISH THE CLASS WITH OUR DEPARTMENT, WE CAN GIVE YOU A COMPOSTING BIN SO YOU CAN TAKE THAT FOOD WASTE AND USE IT AND HAVE A NUTRIENT DENSE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I GET IT. REALISTICALLY THOUGH THAT FACILITY, IN 20 YEARS FROM NOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LOOKING VERY PRETTY. EVEN WITH ALL THE RUBBER BANDS AND BAND-AIDS WE PUT ON IT TODAY, IF WE DIDN'T INVEST IN THAT NOW, IT WOULD BE BROKEN TODAY. THOSE INVESTMENTS WE HAD TO MAKE TODAY THEY WERE IMMEDIATE. THEY NEEDED TO HAPPEN. THAT'S GOING TO GET US TO THAT 20-YEAR LIFE CYCLE. I'M JUST CURIOUS, AGAIN, WE'RE FINANCING THIS FOR 34. I ACTUALLY EXPECT -- I'LL BE DEAD. IN 20 YEARS SOMEBODY WILL COME HERE AND SAYING, OKAY, WE HAVE $14 MILLION IN DEBT ON SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HAVING TO REPLACE 20 YEARS INTO IT. I'M CURIOUS HOW THAT WILL FACTOR INTO OUR FINANCES. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: THERE IS PERIODIC MAINTENANCE ASSOCIATED WITH THE UPKEEP OF THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE IT GOING DOWN COMPLETEY BLACK AT ALL. WE'LL CONTINUOUSLY ADD MORE MONEY TO THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY. THE REASON WHY WE HAD A LARGE PROJECT NOW, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY RAN BY A CONTRACTOR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT WAS A MESS. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: THERE WERE CHALLENGES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ALL INHERITED A MESS. ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT. WHEN YOU COME BACK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME WAY, AGAIN, GIVE US THE OPTIONS BECAUSE AS WE TALKED ABOUT IN YOUR PROGRAMS WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF RESERVES, THE DOLLAR FIGURE AND HOW THAT FILLS IN THE GAP BETWEEN PROJECTED REVENUE ON YOUR CHARTS. THE IMPLICATIONS THAT WOULD HAVE ON INTEREST RATES AND WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE AS FAR AS MAYBE STRETCHING THIS RATE INCREASE OVER MAYBE A COUPLE OF EXTRA YEARS SO IT ISN'T AS DRAMATIC EACH YEAR TO RISE THE WAY IT IS THERE. BECAUSE I HAVE TO EXPECT THAT AFTER THIS PARTICULAR RATE INCREASE IN FIVE YEARS, DEPENDING ON THE ECONOMY, THIS TRAJECTORY IS GOING TO CONTINUE ON. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE CRYSTAL BALL THAT WAS NOT -- SAY THAT ISN'T TRUE. IF WE COULD FLATTEN THE CURVE, KNOWING IT WILL CONTINUE TO GO. IF WE COULD HAVE IT GO LIKE THIS, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE BETTER. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: POINT OUT ONE ADDITIONAL THING AS WELL WITH THE NEW MISCELLANEOUS FEES, WE HOPE TO TRY TO CURB THAT SOME WITHIN OUR SERVICES. WE'RE NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL SO WE CAN TRY TO CURB -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU HAVE MY 100% SUPPORT ON ADDITIONAL FEES AND THINGS YOU'RE DOING WITH COMMERCIAL AND ADDITIONAL FEES -- IN A BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT AND THE TYPE OF ENTERPRISE FUND THAT YOU'RE RUNNING, 100% SHAMEFUL THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING THAT FOR A LONG TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I DON'T DISAGREE THAT IT SEEMS A LITTLE STEEP AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE. I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY WRITTEN DOWN THE ASSISTANCE COST TO THE GENERAL FUND. WHAT DO WE PREDICT THAT WILL BE AT LEAST IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS. YOU GAVE US MIAMI-DADE BUT YOU SAID ABOUT OTHER CITIES DOING INCREASES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE WHAT WE KNOW THERE AND IF THEY ARE DOING IT OVER A MULTIYEAR PERIOD, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AS WELL. I'M GONNA SAY IT AGAIN BECAUSE THIS IS MY HOBBY HORSE. I REALLY STILL WANT A PILOT PROJECT FOR ONCE A WEEK PICKUP. I THROW ONE 13-GALLON BAG OF GARBAGE AWAY A WEEK. IT'S NEVER FULL BECAUSE I USE COMPOSTING AND RECYCLING, AND I DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS. AGAIN, I WAS TRAINED TO DO THIS BECAUSE IN THE CITY I CAME FROM OR GREW UP IN, WE HAD TO THROW AWAY GARBAGE BASED ON HOW MUCH WE USED. I LIKE THE WAY THAT YOU'RE HEADING TOWARD THAT WITH THE EXTRA BIN, BUT I DON'T THINK THE EXTRA BIN COST IS ENOUGH. I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD BE REDUCING THE COST FOR PEOPLE WHO THROW AWAY LESS GARBAGE AND INCREASING THE COST FOR PEOPLE WHO THROW AWAY MORE. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERY HUMAN BEING INHERENTLY UNDERSTANDS. I USE MORE. I PAY MORE. IT'S WHAT WE DO FOR WATER. IT'S WHAT WE DO FOR WASTEWATER. I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE BUILT-IN FEES. BUT I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO WANT MORE SERVICE SHOULD BE PAYING FOR MORE OF THOSE FEES. IF YOU WANT YOUR GARBAGE PICKED UP TWICE A WEEK, GREAT. THEN IN ADDITION, YOU SHOULD BE PAYING FOR THE ADDITIONAL COST TO DO THAT FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO WANT JUST ONCE A WEEK PICKUP, I THINK ABOUT THE FOLKS WHO LIVE BY THEMSELVES. OUR COMMUNITY IS JUST BECOMING VERY DIFFERENT. AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT A PILOT PROJECT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ONE IN THE NEXT YEAR JUST TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD BE, EVEN IF IT IS A SMALL PORTION OF THE CITY, WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. HOW MANY PEOPLE MIGHT BE INTERESTED. WHAT WE COULD DO RATE-WISE FOR THOSE FOLKS. AND THEN I ALSO KNOW THAT YOU'RE RETOOLING THE SWEEP PROGRAM WHICH SHOULD HELP WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HOW THAT WILL BE REDONE AND HOPEFULLY COSTS LESS IN THINGS PEOPLE THROW AWAY AND THE AMOUNT OF TRUCK AND LABOR COSTS THAT GO INTO THAT AS WELL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU. I AGREE WITH THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY. IF I DO THAT, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WILL BE BROKE IN 15 MINUTES. THE PHILOSOPHY IS GREAT, BUT WHEN YOU APPLY IT TO THE PRINCIPLE, HAVEN'T HAD A KID -- NONE OF MY CHILDREN WENT TO PUBLIC SCHOOL. I DID AND I LOVED IT. I WENT TO JEFFERSON. IF I DO THAT, THE MONEY I PAY INTO MY TAXES IS ELIMINATED FROM THE SCHOOL SYSTEM BECAUSE I HAVE NONE IN SCHOOL. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. IN A DEMOCRACY YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VALUE OF SOMETHING TO BE -- I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT, THOUGH. I REALLY DO. I HATE TO TELL YOU THAT YOU WERE A SCHOOLTEACHER AND A GREAT ONE. I WISH YOU HAD SCHOOLTEACHERS LIKE YOURSELF AND MY GOOD FRIEND FROM DISTRICT 5 BECAUSE YOU BOTH ARE VERY GOOD COUNCIL MEMBERS. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, I CANNOT USE THAT PHILOSOPHY BECAUSE IF IT DOES, IT DOES NOT WORK MATHEMATICALLY. THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WOULD BE BROKE IN 15 MINUTES. NOT THAT THEY ARE NOT BROKE NOW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? YES MA'AM. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING. IT IS A CATCH-22 BECAUSE IN THE SINGLE-STYLE FAMILY HOUSEHOLD WHERE YOU DON'T UTILIZE A LOT OF TRASH BUT YOUR NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR DOES, SO THE GAS AND COST TO BE OUT THERE ALREADY EXISTS. SO THAT IS THE PROBLEM. YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GET AROUND THAT. ONE NEIGHBOR WANTS IT. ONE NEIGHBOR DOESN'T. STILL OUT THERE ANYWAY. MIGHT AS WELL PICK IT UP BECAUSE IT IS JUST THERE. I DON'T SEE HOW WE COULD ELIMINATE THAT AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, MOST OF THEM HAVE TWICE A WEEK PICKUP. I THINK THERE IS A SENSE OF NORMALCY IN THAT AND IT'S NOT A NECESSARY CHANGE BECAUSE YOU'RE PRESENTING HOW THROUGH THIS ENTERPRISE BUSINESS, FACTORING IN THE COST WHERE WE CAN STILL PROVIDE THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE. IF YOU DO SPECIAL PICKUPS TWICE A WEEK IS FALLING INTO THE SAME CATEGORY FOR ME. IT'S ABOUT CUSTOMER SERVICE AS WELL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T SUPPORT THAT, BY THE WAY. I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, THERE IS A CERTAIN LEVEL OF EXPECTATION. ALSO CLEANLINESS INVOLVED WITH TRASH BLOWING AROUND. THAT'S ALMOST SAYING I ONLY FLUSH THE TOILET TWICE A DAY. TAKE THE WASTEWATER OUT X AMOUNT OF TIME. IT'S A BASIC LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT IS EXPECTED. >>LYNN HURTAK: HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DO THAT. ONCE A WEEK, THEY THROW TRASH AWAY ONCE A WEEK. IN FLORIDA IT WORKS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT IN TAMPA. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHY I WANT A PILOT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: RIGHT NOW I THINK IF YOU DID IT, CUSTOMER SERVICE -- AMOUNT OF DAYS THEY WOULD WANT TWO DAYS. IT IS FASCINATING.% THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU HEARD AT YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT MEETINGS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PUBLIC COMMENT -- >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY HAD MEETINGS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SURVEY. 400,000 PEOPLE LIVING IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT THE PEOPLE AT THAT MEETING, QUITE A FEW OF THEM SAID THEY WANTED MORE. SOME POPLE WANTED MORE SERVICE AND SOME PEOPLE WANTED LESS SERVICE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP HERE? WILL YOU COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL THAT SHOWS DIFFERENT OPTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN BROUGHT UP A VERY VALID POINT, INSTEAD OF SUCH A BIG IMPACT IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME CAN WE SPACE IT OUT? WE DIDN'T DO A RATE INCREASE FOR A DECADE, SO WE'VE BEEN VERY GENEROUS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN EATING THE COST. AGAIN, IF I COULD GO BACK IN TIME, I WOULD SAY 50 CENTS MORE, DOLLAR MORE BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE. HELP US CATCH UP. WILL YOU BE COMING BACK WITH DIFFERENT OPTIONS PRICE-WISE, INCREASE-WISE FOR THE CONSUMER? >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, WE'LL COME BACK JUNE 6 AND WE CAN COME BACK WITH DIFFERENT SCENARIOS FOR YOU.% I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE COME BACK TO YOU WITH BOTH THE PROS AND CONS. BECAUSE, AGAIN, ANY DEVIATION WILL HAVE A REACTION, POSITIVE, NEGATIVE. AGAIN, WE ALWAYS WANT COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I EXPECTED. IF YOU CAME BACK WITH X AMOUNT OF RATE INCREASE OVER X AMOUNT OF TIME, WHAT IMPACT THAT HAS ON RESERVES, WHAT IMPACT THAT HAS ON INTEREST RATES. ON SERVICE DELIVERY, ALL THE PROS AND CONS. YOUR RIGHT. PUSH HERE AND PULL THERE. I'D EXPECT THAT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU LOOK AT THE SAME PROJECT -- [MICROPHONE NOT ON] -- [INAUDIBLE] -- THE INTEREST EQUALS TWO ALMOST THE SUMS OF THE PROJECT. SO IF YOU HAD MONEY, 50 CENTS A MONTH SOMEWHERE, YOUR BOTTOM LINE OF 248 WOULD INCREASE BY THOSE SUMS. AND YOU WOULD GET MORE BUCK. THAT'S WHAT THE PIPES PROJECT. THE PIPES PROJECT I BELIEVE IS 53% PAID FOR BY CASH AND 47% LATER ON. IF NOT, YOU DON'T GET 100% OF YOUR PROJECT DONE. YOU ONLY GET 50% OF YOUR PROJECT DONE BECAUSE THE OTHER MONEY YOU PAID IN INTEREST. THAT'S IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SEE YOU JUNE 6. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, COUNCIL. THANK YOU, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? YES SIR. PUBLIC COMMENT. >>STEVE MICHELINI: STEVE MICHELINI HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SOHO BUSINESS ALLIANCE. WE'VE SPOKEN TO SOLID WASTE ABOUT THIS SEVERAL TIMES. THE SOHO DISTRICT IS UNDER A CONTRACT HAULER. AND WE FREQUENTLY HAVE PROBLEMS. AS YOU KNOW, THOSE RESTAURANTS ARE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. SO IF WE END UP HAVING A MISSED PICKUP, IT IS CATASTROPHIC. IT'S NOT JUST AN INCONVENIENCE. THE FOOD WASTE AND ALL THAT THAT GOES INTO THE DUMPSTERS. SO I'M THANKFUL FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA BECAUSE I END UP HAVING TO CALL STEVE WITH SWAN TO COME IN. USUALLY HAPPENS ON A FRIDAY BEFORE A HOLIDAY WEEKEND WHERE THEY HAVE MISSED PICKUPS AND THE GARBAGE IS COMING OUT OF THE TOP AND THE NEIGHBORS ARE ALL UPSET. AND UNDERSTAND THAT. THE GENERAL REQUEST HAS BEEN OVER SEVERAL YEARS TO TAKE THAT DISTRICT OUT OF THE CONTRACT HAULER AND TO PUT IT INTO THE CITY DISTRICT. I UNDERSTAND FROM THE FINANCES THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU I'M NOT SURE HOW THE CONTRACT HAULERS INTERFACE WITH WHAT THE CITY IS TALKING ABOUT. THAT IS A REQUEST THAT'S COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL. IT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO SOLID WASTE. IT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN IN THAT REGARD. BUT IT ALSO INVOLVES CAPITAL EXPENDITURES FOR ROLLING STOCK OF EQUIPMENT THAT THE CITY MAY NOT HAVE. IT MAY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT. HOWEVER, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN AT LEAST SOME REPORT ON HOW THAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED. THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS, THE FREQUENCY OF PICKUPS FOR COMMERCIAL IS EVERY DAY. AND THERE ARE SAFETY -- HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE ISSUES THAT ARE NEGOTIATED WITH IT. I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS AND VERMIN AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT THERE ARE SOME SERIOUS HEALTH CONCERNS REGARDING THOSE PICKUPS. AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST IS THE CITY HAS DISPATCHED A SMALLER TRUCK AND THEY HAVE HAND LOADED THE GARBAGE OUT OF THE DUMPSTERS INTO THE SMALLER TRUCKS TO HELP PREVENT THOSE KINDS OF PROBLEMS. IT WASN'T JUST THIS CONTRACT HAULER THAT WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH. IT'S EACH OF THE OTHER SUCCESSIVE HAULERS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST. I REQUEST YOU LOOK INTO THAT OR AT LEAST HAVE SOLID WASTE COME BACK AND REPORT AS PART OF THEIR REPORT IN JUNE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> HI. CARROLL ANN BENNETT. I TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE PEOPLE WHO MOVE HERE NEED TO BE PAYING FOR IMPACT. THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE SHOULD NOT BE PAYING FOR THAT. I HEAR, OH, IT WILL RAISE THE COST OF HOUSING. IT'S LIKE, SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS, THEY TALK ABOUT THE CONTAINERS ARE $55 EACH. THEY TALK ABOUT THE 8 YARD CONTAINER FOR COMMERCIAL IS 15.80. NEW TRUCKS ARE HALF A BILLION DOLLARS. IF YOU HAVE AN INCREASE IN UNITS, THEY SHOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THE ADDITIONAL CONTAINERS. IN OTHER WORDS, IF SOMEONE SELLS A HOUSE, THERE'S ALREADY A CONTAINER THERE. IT'S NO BIG DEAL. BUT I AM FAMILIAR WITH A LOT WHERE THERE WAS ONE HOUSE. NOW THEY ARE BUILDING SIX HOUSES. SO THAT'S TEN ADDITIONAL CONTAINERS AT $55 EACH. THOSE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE BUYING A NEW UNIT SHOULD HAVE TO PAY THE TWO $55 CONTAINERS. WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT? BECAUSE THEY ARE INCREASING MY FEES BECAUSE THE CONTAINERS COST $55 EACH AND THEY ARE PUTTING OUT A THOUSAND NEW ONES EACH MONTH. IF IT IS A NEW UNIT, YOU PAY FOR IT. A NEW BUSINESS THAT DIDN'T EXIST THERE BEFORE AND NOW NEED A COMMERCIAL CONTAINER, THEY SHOULD PAY THE $1600 FOR THEIR CONTAINER. THESE ARE START-UP COSTS FOR NEW. IF THERE IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT HAS FOUR UNITS AND NOW THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD 12 AND NEED MORE COMMERCIAL CONTAINERS, BIGGER ONE, WHATEVER, THEY SHOULD HAVE TO PAY THE START-UP COSTS. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT THROUGH OUR INCREASE IN OUR RESIDENTIAL. THE SECOND TRIP. I THINK WE SHOULD CHARGE WHAT IT COSTS, THE $125. WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS WHEN SOMEONE CALLS AND SAYS, OH, YOU MISSED ME, TELL THEM, OKAY, WE'LL COME BACK AND PICK IT UP, BUT WE DO TAKE VIDEO WHICH WILL BE REVIEWED AND WHEN THE VIDEO IS REVIEWED, IF IT TURNS OUT THE CONTAINER WAS NOT PRESENT DURING THE FIRST, YOU WILL BE CHARGED $125. THAT WILL BE A DETERRENT IN AND OF ITSELF. PEOPLE WILL STOP CALLING BECAUSE THEY REALIZE THE VIDEO IS GOING TO SHOW I MISSED MY PICKUP AND NOW I'LL GET $125, THEY'LL STOP CALLING. THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO REVIEW EVERY VIDEO. INSTEAD OF A STICK ABOUT INCREASED RATES FOR TWICE A PICK, HOW ABOUT A PILOT PROGRAM THAT OFFERS A DISCOUNT IF YOU WANT TO OPT FOR ONCE A WEEK. NOT SAYING IT IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO BUT MAYBE LOOK INTO IT. THERE'S TIME AND LABOR INVOLVED THAT IS A SAVINGS. THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE LOOKED INTO. ANOTHER THING ABOUT CHARLIE'S PHILOSOPHY OF SCHOOLS, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE IF YOU NEVER HAVE CHILDREN, YOU STILL BENEFIT FROM AN EDUCATED SOCIETY. EVERYBODY SHOULD BE PAYING FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS. AND BUSINESSES, WHEN THEY LOOK TO RELOCATE, WHAT IS THE QUALITY OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS? I THINK IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. A CARROT INSTEAD OF A STICK, A DISCOUNT FOR MAYBE ONCE A WEEK INSTEAD OF -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES MA'AM. GOOD MORNING. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> ALISON DATE. DO YOU NEED AN ADDRESS? SWORN IN? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, YOU'RE GOOD. >> I JUST WANT TO BE SURE BECAUSE I ALWAYS FORGET THAT. WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE, THERE WAS A PROTEST AGAINST DOING THIS FOR ECOLOGICAL REASONS BY SIERRA CLUB. I WENT TO ONE OF THE PROTESTS. I'M JUST SAYING THAT. AND THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS KIND OF ENERGY BECAUSE, YES, IT BURNS EVERYTHING BUT IT ALSO BURNS THINGS THAT SHOULDN'T BE BURNED THAT COULD BE RECYCLED ANOTHER WAY OR REUSED ANOTHER WAY OR GOTTEN RID OF ANOTHER WAY. BUT THERE IS TOXIC WASTE PRODUCED AND ALSO CO2 IS PRODUCED FROM THIS. THESE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO BE WORRIED ABOUT. I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO ALL THOSE DETAILS. BUT JUST THINKING ABOUT MAKING SURE WE HAVE A GOOD EFFORT AT, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT HOW MUCH RECYCLING, BECAUSE WHEN EVERYBODY THINKS PLASTIC IS BEING RECYCLED, IT'S NOT BEING RECYCLED, BUT REUSING, LIKE SOME OF THE -- THERE ISN'T AN EFFORT TO MAKE COMPOST. WE SHOULD BE COLLECTING THE FOOD WASTE. WE SHOULD BE COLLECTING THE GARDEN WASTE AND PUTTING IT BACK INTO THE GROUND. WE REALLY NEED TO BE DOING THAT. IN SOME PLACES THEY DO THAT. WHEN YOU DO IT ON A REALLY BIG SCALE, IT GETS REALLY, REALLY HOT, AND IT CAN REALLY WORK VERY, VERY WELL. YOU CAN SELL IT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO DO. AND ALSO, I THINK IN ALL OF THIS, WE NEED TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW. I'M WALKING AND RIDING MY BIKE EVERYBODY STILL THROWS GARBAGE OUT OF THEIR CAR OR WHEN THEY ARE WALKING ALONG, THEY THROW ONE LITTLE PIECE, WELL, THAT ADDS UP. I DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THINGS THEY COULD DO AND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DEALING WITH THIS, THE WASTE MANAGEMENT, REALLY NEED SOME SUPPORT FROM THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING THESE THINGS. MORE EDUCATION, WHICH I DON'T THINK THE CITY DOES A GOOD JOB ON. WE DON'T LET PEOPLE KNOW. AND SOMETIMES HAVING FINES AND MAYBE THEY'LL START USING THEIR RECYCLING BINS MORE IF THEY HAVE TO PAY A HIGHER RATE FOR HAVING MORE THAN ONE GARBAGE CAN. THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING. ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES MA'AM. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> GOOD MORNING. STEPHANIE POYNOR. MAN, I KEEP GETTING TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET TODAY. COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON SAID SOMETIME IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS SHE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND WHY SOLID WASTE IS AN ENTERPRISE DEPARTMENT. WELL, IT'S SUPPOSED TO MAKE MONEY. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WE ARE PULLING FUNDS FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO PAY FOR GARBAGE PICKUP AT THIS POINT. THAT'S REALITY. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MY VERY FAVORITE EXAMPLE BECAUSE I'LL HARP ON THIS UNTIL THE DAY I DIE BECAUSE IT WAS SO ANNOYING. WE GAVE $5.5 MILLION OF ARPA MONEY TO SOLID WASTE. SOLID WASTE IS SUPPOSED TO KEEP THEIR OWN MONEY IN THEIR OWN POCKET. THAT MONEY WAS FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND THAT MONEY NEVER GOT TO HOUSING. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO HOUSING, SHOULD HAVE GONE TO HOUSING. WHEN MR. WASHINGTON AND HIS FRIENDS HAVE THEIR MONEY BACK, I'D STILL LIKE TO SEE IT GO TO HOUSING. YOU KNOW WHY? WE WERE TOLD IT WOULD GO TO HOUSING. I'M SORRY, SOLID WASTE. I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, EVERY PLACE I EVER LIVED HAD GARBAGE PICK UP ONE DAY A WEEK. I VERY RARELY HAVE A FULL GARBAGE CAN FOR THE TWO DAYS A WEEK. AND WHEN I DEAL WITH ALL THE MILITARY FOLKS WHO COME HERE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD AND PLACE THEM IN HOUSING HERE, THEY SAY WHAT DAY IS GARBAGE DAY? I TELL THEM TUESDAYS AND FRIDAYS. AND THEY GO, WHAT? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? BECAUSE THIS IS LIKE A DIFFERENT PLANET TO MOST PEOPLE. IT'S THE EXCEPTION, NOT THE NORM. I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. THE LACK OF AUTOMATIC INCREASES IS A CITYWIDE ISSUE, NOT JUST SOLID WASTE. I'VE COME UP HERE THREE TIMES IN A ROW TODAY TALKING ABOUT HOW WE HAVEN'T INCREASED OUR FEES AND HOW WE OPERATE IN A DEFICIT, WHICH WAS THE PATH SET FORTH BY THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. THAT'S NOT THIS ADMINISTRATION'S ISSUE. IT IS THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION SAID WE'RE NOT RAISING FEES FOR ANYTHING. WELL, HERE IS THE PROBLEM. NOW WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION WE WANT, TO HAVE THE HOUSING WE WANT, TO HAVE THE STAFF THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE GOOD SERVICES. SO UNTIL WE GET OUR DUCKS IN A ROW, AS A MATTER OF FACT, COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON GAVE THE EXACT SAME EXAMPLE. SHE SAID, LOOK, THE CONVENTION CENTER MAKES MONEY. YOU KNOW WHAT? THE CONVENTION CENTER HAS A PLAN LAID OUT FOR WHAT THEIR FEES WILL BE FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS. WHEN THIS PRESENTATION WAS PRESENTED TO THE BUDGET COMMITTEE, I ASKED, WHERE ARE WE GOING AFTER '26 OR '27? IT ONLY GOES OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS. WHY AREN'T WE DOING THIS ANNUALLY? EVERY TIME A BUDGET ITEM COMES BEFORE YOU GUYS, THERE IS A CPI INCREASE ATTACHED TO IT. VERY RARELY IS THERE NOT. WHY IS THE CITY NOT FOLLOWING THE SAME PROCEDURES IN ORDER TO CHARGE FOR THE SERVICES THAT ARE BEING GIVEN. I'M NOT SAYING ROB ANYBODY. I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO HAVE REASONABLE INCREASES INSTEAD OF OPERATING IN A HOLE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHEN WE MAKE THE MOTION FOR THE FOLKS TO COME BACK, CAN WE DO FOR JUNE 20 INSTEAD OF JUNE 6 BECAUSE IT IS A VERY, VERY FULL AGENDA. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, COUNCIL, BEFORE YOU GET UP THERE -- YOU ARE WELCOME TO STAY. BEFORE YOU SPEAK, I JUST WANT TO INFORM COUNCIL THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PLACED ON THE JUNE 6 CALENDAR THROUGH OnBase AND IT IS GOING TO SHOW UP A RESOLUTION FOR CONSIDERATION ON YOUR CONSENT DOCK. THAT'S HOW IT IS CURRENTLY AGENDAED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY. WE'LL LEAVE IT AS IS. IT WAS A REQUEST FROM THE CLERK. NO MOTION NEEDS TO BE MADE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S CORRECT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>MARTIN SHELBY: BUT THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW IT WILL BE COMING FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER A RESOLUTION ON JUNE 6. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUNE 6 IS WHEN WE WILL BE VISITING THIS UNDER OUR CONSENT AGENDA. IT'S A REGULAR MEETING. WE WILL SEE YOU THEN. HOW EXCITING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT -- YES, MA'AM. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I HAVE SOMETHING, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR. I APPRECIATE IT. IS THIS THE TYPE OF PUBLIC COMMENT SITUATION WHERE YOU CAN RESPOND? NOT NECESSARILY, I WANT THE PUBLIC WHO IS LISTENING TO HEAR AFTER A PUBLIC COMMENT REGARD -- MR. WASHINGTON, I WANT YOU BACK UP HERE SO YOU CAN ADDRESS THIS. LET ME FIND MY WORDS. BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, ATTEND STAFF MEETINGS AND LEARN AND GROW, I WANT MS. POYNOR'S COMMENT TO BE ADDRESSED FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT I LEARNED WHEN I QUESTIONED THE BOTTOM LINE OF WHY SOLID WASTE IS NOT PROFITABLE. YOU EXPLAINED THAT TO ME VERY THOROUGHLY YESTERDAY IN OUR STAFF MEETING. JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT, WHY THAT LOSS APPEARS FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, I THINK IT WAS, WHERE IT SHOWED AS A LOSS BUT PRIOR TO THAT WE WERE PROFITABLE AS AN ENTERPRISE BUSINESS AND WITH THE INCREASES IN FEES, WE CAN BE THAT WAY AGAIN. CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? >>LARRY WASHINGTON: SIMPLY PUT, WE ACQUIRE THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY. UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WAS IN DIRE CONDITION AND WE NEEDED TO MAKE A CHANGE. GOING BACK TO THE WASTE TO ENERGY RETROFIT, IF WE HAD TO HAUL ALL THE WASTE FROM OUR TRUCKS FROM TRANSFER STATION OVER TO WIMAUMA, WHICH IS THE LAND FILL THAT WE PARTNER WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WITH, IT WOULD COST US 40 MILLION PER YEAR. OF COURSE, INCREASING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ACQUIRED THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A DECREASE IN THE AMOUNT -- INCREASE IN EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL, UPWARDS TO 50 PLUS, AND THEN CLEARLY WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE FACILITY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT ALWAYS HASN'T LOOKED LIKE THAT. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: NO, IT HAS NOT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WANTED CLARIFICATION BECAUSE IT IS A BIG NUMBER, THE DEFICIT IS LARGE AND I WANT THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THE REASON WHY CLEARLY, AND I APPRECIATE YOU EXPLAINING THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR, MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I RAISE AN ISSUE FOR COUNCIL ABOUT TONIGHT'S MEETING, IF I CAN COME TO THE LECTERN, PLEASE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >>MARTIN SHELBY: TWO MINUTES OF YOUR TIME. COUNCIL, MY APOLOGIES TO YOU AND THE PUBLIC FOR INTERPRETING. I WILL BE BRIEF, BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE A REQUEST BY THE ADMINISTRATION FOR A WALK-ON THAT IS GOING TO APPEAR ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT AT THE START OF YOUR 5:00 MEETING. THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO SET A SPECIAL-CALLED MEETING THAT IS REQUIRED AS PART OF THE PROCESS FOR PLACING THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX REFERENDUM ON THE BALLOT. SO RATHER THAN GET INTO IT, I WANT TO ASK YOU, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AND WORKING WITH YOURSELVES AND YOUR STAFF REGARDING THE SCHEDULE AND THE BEST TIME TO SET THAT IS BETWEEN THE CRA MEETING AND THE 5:00 MEETING ON THURSDAY, THE 13th OF JUNE. NOW I'M TOLD LOOKING AT YOUR CRA AGENDA THAT YOUR CRA SHOULD BE DONE BY 12:30 P.M. COUNCIL CAN EITHER SET THE CRA -- EXCUSE ME, THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING FOR THE CIT EITHER AT 1:00 OR 2:00 DEPENDING ON WHETHER YOU WANT TO TAKE LUNCH FIRST OR LUNCH AFTER. OF COURSE, YOU'LL HAVE A 5:00 MEETING. THAT IS THE BEST DAY THIS IS AVAILABLE. I WONDER IF ANY COUNCIL MEMBER -- I ALREADY, BY THE WAY, WAS ABLE TO CLEAR THAT WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S OFFICE. HE'S AVAILABLE THAT TIME TOO. HOPEFULLY YOU ARE. EACH OF YOU HAVE A CONFLICT ON THE OTHER AVAILABLE DATES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'M GOOD. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO REQUEST -- I KNOW WE ARE BUSY ON THE 6, THAT A MEMBER OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COMMISSION AND BODY-WISE, THE ADMINISTRATOR APPEAR JUNE 6, 2024, PROVIDE A PRESENTATION ON -- HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, BECAUSE I WASN'T AWARE. I WAS INFORMED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO BE COMING AT THE SPECIAL-CALLED MEETING. IF I CAN JUST HOLD MY COMMENTS. IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO SOMETHING BEING SET EITHER THE 6th OR THE 13th? >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE AN OBJECTION WITH JUNE 6. WE HAVE LIKE 18 ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA. I DON'T WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO JUNE 6. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SOMETHING WILL HAVE TO BE SET. JUNE 6 IS TOO SOON TO BE ABLE TO HAVE -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M NOT THRILLED WITH THE JUNE -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I TALKED T THE ADMINISTRATION AND EVIDENTLY SOMEBODY ON THE COUNTY COMMISSION I WOULD ASSUME -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: FOR THE PURPOSES OF WHAT I'M ASKING ON THE BASIS -- I'M NOT REQUESTING THIS. THE ADMINISTRATION ISN'T REQUESTING THIS. THE COUNTY ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT EACH TAXING DISTRICT, WHICH ARE THE THREE MUNICIPALITIES, THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE COUNTY HAVE A -- WITHIN THEIR ORDINANCE A PUBLIC HEARING, AN ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING TO SEEK INPUT AS PART OF THE PROCESS TO GET THIS ON THE BALLOT. THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO BE WALKED ON. MY SUGGESTION TO YOU -- LET ME JUST -- RATHER THAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION NOW, IF THAT TIME, IF NOT THE 6th, THEN THE 13th BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND STAFF COME IN AT 5:00 WITH THE WALK-ON. THEN YOU CAN ASK YOUR QUESTIONS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT TIME, NOW THAT I HAVE YOU ALL HERE IS ACCEPTABLE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE TIME WORKS. MY QUESTION IS BETWEEN NOW AND THIS EVENING, CAN WE FIND OUT WITH BONNIE WISE AND THE COUNTY IF THEY ARE GOOD WITH JUNE 13th? >>ANDREA ZELMAN: ANDREA ZELMAN, CITY ATTORNEY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: DID I SAY ANYTHING -- >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YOU SAID NOTHING WRONG. I WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON JUNE 6 VERSUS JUNE 13. I BELIEVE THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND A COMMISSIONER WANTED TO COME AND JUST SORT OF BRIEFLY ADVISE COUNCIL WHAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO DO. THE THOUGHT WAS AND PLANT CITY APPARENTLY DID IT THIS WAY, IS THEY FIRST HAD JUST A SHORT BRIEFING FROM THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND STAFF PERSON, WHICH IS WHAT CHARLIE IS PROPOSING SORRY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA I BELIEVE IS MAKING A MOTION FOR ON JUNE 6. AND THEN YOU FOLLOW THAT -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WITH JUNE 13. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WITH JUNE 13 WOULD BE THE ACTUAL MEETING WHERE YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED LIST WHICH WILL BE ON FILE IN ADVANCE, LOOKING AT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, ACTUALLY MAKING DECISIONS, BUT NOT BEING HIT WITH IT ALL COLD ON THE 13th. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO BE CONFUSED BY THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHEN YOU SAY BRIEF PRESENTATION, LIKE PLANT CITY AND EVERYBODY ELSE YOU MENTIONED, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THEY WILL BE SPEAKING IF THEY COME JUNE 6? TEN-MINUTE OR HOUR-LONG -- >>ANDREA ZELMAN: NO, NO. I THINK LIKE A TEN-MINUTE THING. I THINK IF WE ASK THEM TO, THEY WOULD WAIT AND COME ON JUNE 1. THE JUNE 6 OFFER WAS REALLY A COURTESY TO COUNCIL AND TO THE PUBLIC TO HEAR ON JUNE 6 WHAT% YOU'RE GOING TO BE ASKED TO DO ON JUNE 13. THAT PART IS UP TO YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: QUOWRM HURTAK AND COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE JUNE 6 FOR MANY REASONS. IF THEY ARE COMING TO US, IT SHOULD BE IN OnBase. WHATEVER THEY ARE PRESENTING SHOULD BE THERE ALREADY FOR US TO REVIEW BECAUSE GETTING STUFF TO US COLD IS NOT USEFUL. THE PROBLEM IS ALSO THAT WE ARE A CHATTY GROUP. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT FOR TEN MINUTES AND GO AWAY. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. I KNOW US. THAT'S WHO WE ARE. THE ONLY WAY THAT I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT IS IF WE TOOK ONE OF THE 15 STAFF REPORTS OR THREE COMMENDATIONS AND MOVED THEM. SO MAYBE WE COULD LOOK AT THAT AT LUNCH AND COME BACK AT THE EVENING TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S POSSIBLE TO BE MOVED. IF SO, I WOULD SUPPORT THE 6th AND THE 13th. BUT AS IT STANDS NOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST PACKED AGENDAS WE'VE HAD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OR WE CAN COMMIT TO NOT GETTING INTO A DISCUSSION ON JUNE 6 AND RESERVING IT FOR THE 13th. >>LYNN HURTAK: I LOVE THAT, LIKE THOUGHT. WE COULDN'T EVEN GET THROUGH THE SOLID WASTE PRESENTATION AND FOR GOOD REASON. THERE IS A LOT TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE CIT. VERY IMPORTANT THING. I HUNDRED PERCENT THINK WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS EVEN IF WE MINIMIZE WHAT COUNCIL DOES. I SEE IT AS EASILY A HALF AN HOUR THING. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THE 6th WAS SIMPLY TO GIVE COUNCIL MORE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT. IF YOU WANT TO CONSOLIDATE IT ON THE 13th, THAT'S FINE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD SUGGEST THE 13th. COUNCILMAN VIERA. CLENDENIN. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO CHECK WITH THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN COME ON THE 13th. I BELIEVE THEY CAN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FIRST, SO LET'S GET REAL. JUNE 6 IS CRAZY. I WOULD URGE MAKERS OF MOTIONS THAT ASKED FOR THE 150 STAFF REPORTS ON THIS THING AND ALL THE OTHER ISSUES TO DELETE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS JUST TO BE ABLE TO FIT THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE NOTHING IS EVER JUST TEN MINUTES. NOTHING. IF WE CAN DISCUSS THE COLOR OF THE SKY, IT WILL BE MORE THAN TEN MINUTES. AND IT'S NOT JUST ME. JUNE 13, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING. >> YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO WE'VE GOT A CRA AND THEN YOU HAVE THE EVENING SESSION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES. SORRY TO INTERRUPT, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. I'VE CONFIRMED THAT FOR THE NIGHT MEETING, THERE ARE 13 ITEMS ON YOUR AGENDA. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IF I MAY, I APOLOGIZE IF MARTY ALREADY SAID THIS BECAUSE I WAS COMING DOWN IN THE ELEVATOR. JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY COMMISSION HAS ALREADY VOTED TO PUT THIS RENEWAL OF THE CIT TAX ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER. AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING READY FOR THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE APPROVED BY AUGUST 1st. SO WORKING BACKWARDS FROM THAT, WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY TOLD US WAS THAT ON JULY 17, THE COUNTY COMMISSION WOULD PUT ON THEIR MEETING AGENDA THE FINAL INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, WHICH IS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO BE A PARTY TO AND THE PROJECT LIST OF HOW THE MONEY IS GOING TO BE SPENT BY THE CITY, THE COUNTY, THE VARIOUS CITIES AND THE COUNTY. THEY WERE GOING TO APPROVE ALL THAT ON JULY 17. SO WORKING BACKWARDS FROM THAT AND LOOKING AT YOUR CALENDAR WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE A MEETING IN JULY UNTIL JULY 18, WE SAID, OKAY, LET'S GET IT ON THE CITY COUNCIL CALENDAR FOR JUNE 20th. WE ACTUALLY HAD ALREADY PREPARED A RESOLUTION SCHEDULING THAT AND ALL THAT, AND THEN THIS WEEK, I BELIEVE IT WAS MONDAY, THE COUNTY TOLD US, NO, WE WANT TO TAKE IT TO THE COUNTY JUNE 20. SO, CITY, YOU HAVE TO DO IT SOONER. THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN THE SCRAMBLE WE ARE IN BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE MEETINGS -- WE CAN'T ADVERTISE IT AND DO IT ON JUNE 6. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM NOT GOING TO SUBJECT MYSELF TO ANOTHER BRUTAL, HORRIBLE DAY OF TRYING TO SQUEEZE TEN POUNDS OF SUGAR INTO A FIVE POUND BAG. I WOULD BE WILLING TO ADD ANOTHER DAY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'VE ATTEMPTED TO DO THAT, COUNCIL. I JUST LEARNED ABOUT THIS, BY THE WAY, AS THE CITY ADMINISTRATION HAS. I THANK THEM. THEY BROUGHT ME INTO THE PROCESS TO SEE HOW WE CAN BE ABLE TO EXPEDITE THIS. I TALKED TO EACH OFFICE, SOME PERSONALLY, SOME OF YOU HAVE APPOINTMENTS OR SOME OF YOU HAVE COMMITMENTS THAT YOU DON'T -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M SURE EVERY ONE OF OUR DAYS ARE FULL. CAN I CLEAR SCHEDULES. CAN I CLEAR MEETINGS I CAN CLEAR MEETINGS. I CAN CANCEL THEM AND RESCHEDULE THOSE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAVE A BOARD MEETING, SO WE CAN'T DO THAT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I THINK YOU HAVE A COMMITTEE MEETING. HART DOES NOT MEET ON THE 10th -- I KNOW SOME PEOPLE HAVE DOCTOR APPOINTMENTS. SOME PEOPLE HAVE ACTUAL EVENTS WHERE MULTIPLE PARTIES HAVE COMMITTED TO A PARTICULAR DATE, TIME AND PLACE THEY CAN'T MOVE AROUND. SOME PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF MEETINGS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE RESCHEDULED. THIS ALL HAS TO BE DONE, BY THE WAY, COUNCIL, IDEALLY IN ORDER TO MEET THE PUBLICATION DEADLINES, THAT'S WHY WE'RE REQUESTING OR THE ADMINISTRATION IS -- I AGREE WITH THEM IT IS NECESSARY -- TO HAVE A WALK-ON TONIGHT TO SET THE DATE. THEY REALLY NEED THE TIME NOW SO THEY CAN PREPARE THE DOCUMENTS FOR TONIGHT. THAT'S WHY I ASKED TO SPEAK. >>LUIS VIERA: I HAD TWO ITEMS I CAN TAKE OFF THE AGENDA FOR THE 6th. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. I ALREADY IDENTIFIED TWO. I SUGGEST WE DISCUSS THIS EVENING. IT'S 11:45 FOR WORKSHOP. I THINK WE CAN CLEAR THE ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO. I STARTED BY GETTING RID OF TWO THAT I WILL ON 30th STREET AS WELL AS THE ATHLETIC FACILITIES. I'M GLAD TO DO THAT. THEN I THINK IF WE ON THE 6th HAVE RULES ON SPEAKING, FIVE MINUTES, THREE MINUTES FOR FOLLOW-UP, THAT'S IT. WE CAN GET IT DONE. WE SHOULD CONTINUE THIS TONIGHT. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THE ISSUE ISN'T THE 6th. THE 6th WAS A COURTESY THING. CRITICAL ISSUE IS THERE HAS TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON APPROVING THE PROJECT LIST AND THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT THEY CALL THE PROJECT LIST, IT'S VERY SIMPLISTIC. AT THE RISK OF OVERSIMPLIFYING, IT'S NOT A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN PROJECT LIST TYPE LIST. THESE ARE THE CATEGORIES OF THINGS YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SPEND THE CIT ON AND WE ARE PROPOSING THEY BE SPENT IN THESE PERCENTAGES. THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT IS, THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 1996. I HOPE THERE WON'T BE THAT MUCH DISCUSSION, BUT THE CRITICAL THING IS UNDER THE COUNTY ORDINANCE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO COMMENT BEFORE YOU APPROVE IT. AND WE HAVE TO DO IT BEFORE JULY 17. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND IT HAS TO BE NOTICED AND A TIME CERTAIN. IT CANNOT BE SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE JUNE 6 AGENDA. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WE CAN'T DO IT ON JUNE 6. DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO ADVERTISE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT ABOUT US CURTAILING -- I CAN SEE ONE ITEM HERE THAT IS MINE KIND OF THAT I COULD REMOVE FROM THAT AND THAT IS THE STREETCAR. MAYBE WE CAN COMPRESS THE CRA TO A TWO-HOUR MEETING AND THEN RECONVENE AS THE CITY COUNCIL. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE ONLY THING YOU CAN'T CONTROL ON THE CRA OR PERHAPS YOU CAN, THE CRA BOARD CAN DO IT IS PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU SPEND AN HOUR, HOUR AND 15 MINUTES, THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU MUCH TIME LEFT. COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, YOU CAN DO A SPECIAL-CALLED MEETING FOR 11 A.M. ON THAT DAY AND YOU EITHER GET THROUGH THE CRA OR YOU GO INTO RECESS, AND WHEN EVERYTHING IS DONE YOU COULD EITHER TAKE LUNCH AND COME BACK OR GO BACK INTO THE CRA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OR CONTINUE EVERYTHING TO THE NEXT MEETING. WHY DON'T WE CONSIDER DOING THAT. ENDING THE CRA AT 11:00 AND RECONVENING THE CITY COUNCIL AND FINISHING THE BUSINESS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL THEN FOR TONIGHT TO HAVE THE WALK-ON COME BACK WITH IT SET ON JUNE 13, THURSDAY, 11 A.M. TIME CERTAIN AND ADVERTISED AS SUCH. >> YES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU FOR THE GUIDANCE. THAT WILL BE DONE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'VE BEEN WAITING ALMOST 30 YEARS TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE WHEN I WAS A LITTLE BOY IN MIDDLE SCHOOL, OUR TEACHER MADE US READ THE NEWSPAPER EVERY DAY. I FOLLOWED ALL THIS DISCUSSION. THE BUCS ARE GOING TO LEAVE, THE STADIUM WILL GET BUILT, THIS AND THAT. I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT IT, I CAN'T WAIT ANY LONGER. JUNE 13 WE'LL FIGURE IT OUT AND BRING IT BACK TONIGHT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU FOR THAT GUIDANCE. SORRY TO THE STAFF AND PUBLIC FOR THE INTERRPTION, BUT THIS IS A TIME SENSITIVE MATTER. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WHAT TIME -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: 11 A.M., JUNE 13. YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: DO AWAY WITH THE 6th COURTESY PRESENTATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. JUST JUNE 13. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: OKAY. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S ALMOST 12:00. WE STILL HAVE TWO ITEMS. COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU WISH TO TAKE UP NUMBER 2 AND THEN BREAK FOR LUNCH AND COME BACK ON THE TREE CANOPY? ANY SUGGESTIONS OR JUST GO THROUGH IT? WE HAVE FOOD COMING TONIGHT. DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. LET'S GO. ITEM NUMBER 2. ITEM NUMBER 2, MS. VAN LOAN. >> GOOD MORNING. MICHELLE VAN LOAN, REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT. WE PROVIDED TO YOU, JUST A TWO-PAGE OVERVIEW OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS. IF CTTV CAN PULL THAT UP. I'LL BE QUICK. SO I AM NOT GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE ENTIRE ORDINANCE. I'M JUST GOING THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS WHICH HAS BEEN THE FOCUS OF MOST OF THE DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL BACK IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY. SO OUR PROCESS INITIATION FOR HONORARY NAMING CAN EITHER START WITH AN APPLICATION BY SOMEONE FROM THE PUBLIC. WE DO HAVE A WRITTEN APPLICATION THAT THEY CAN SUBMIT TO OUR DEPARTMENT. WE ALSO CAN HAVE A CITY COUNCIL MOTION THAT MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN ALREADY PARTICIPATING IN THIS PAST YEAR. AND THE MAYOR OR THE ADMINISTRATION CAN ALSO BRING FORWARD AND INITIATE IN AN HONORARY NAMING. ALL OF THE THREE WAYS YOU CAN BRING FORWARD AN HONORARY NAMING PROCESS AND REQUEST WOULD REQUIRE THE FULL BIO AND TYPE OF NAMING REQUEST THAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED. ONCE WE HAVE THAT, STAFF THEN CONFIRMS ELIGIBILITY PER YOUR ORDINANCE THAT WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL, AND WE ARE ONLY, AGAIN, LOOKING AT ELIGIBILITY PER THAT ORDINANCE AND THAT THE INFORMATION IS COMPLETELY AND CORRECT, AS MUCH AS WE CAN VERIFY THAT THROUGH PUBLIC DOCUMENTS. THEN WE TURN ALL OF THAT INFORMATION AND RECOMMNDATION OVER TO THE AFFECTED DEPARTMENT. RECENTLY, THAT HAS MOSTLY BEEN THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT AND THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT. THEY WILL THEN COME BACK AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IF IT IS NOT THEN COMPLETELY SPECIFIC, WE'VE HAD SOME THAT SAID WE LIKE LOCATION WITHOUT IT BEING FULLY SPECIFIC. SO WE DO BRING THAT TO THE DEPARTMENT. I THEN COME BACK TO YOU -- CAN WE BRING IT BACK UP AGAIN? SO THEN I BRING BACK THAT REPORT. I COME BACK TO YOU AT A COUNCIL PRESENTATION. I PROVIDE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE BIOGRAPHY, TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE HONOREE AND THE LOCATION AND WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS FROM THE DEPARTMENT. AT THAT TIME, IF IT'S THE PLEASURE OF CITY COUNCIL AND YOU SET A FIRST READING, AT THOSE MEETINGS I PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE TO EVERYONE LISTENING. SO IT'S REFLECTED IN THE MINUTES WHEN WE POST THE INFORMATION TO OUR WEBSITE, THE PowerPoint THAT I PRESENT TO YOU IS POSTED TO OUR WEBSITE. I PROVIDE THE DATE OF THE POSTING. BY THE ORDINANCE, MINIMUM 14 DAYS. AVERAGING OVER 21 DAYS OF LEAVING IT UP THERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THEN AT OUR FIRST READING, I COME BACK AGAIN AND DO A MINI-OVERVIEW AND WE DO THE SAME THING AT THE SECOND READING, DEPENDING ON THE AVAILABILITY OF THE HONOREE AND/OR THEIR FAMILIES, THEY WILL ATTEND EITHER THE FIRST OR THE SECOND READING AT WHICH POINT IT IS APPROVED AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AFFECTED DEPARTMENT WHO IS IMPLEMENTING THAT. AGAIN, VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW. WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE PAST 18 MONTHS. AS YOU GO THROUGH WITH YOUR DISCUSSION, I AM HERE AND AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR IDEAS ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION. I'VE ALSO BEEN TALKING WITH SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS ABOUT HOW THEY MIGHT SUPPORT AND HOW WE MIGHT SUPPORT ANY CHANGES TO THIS ORDINANCE THAT MIGHT BE MADE BY CITY COUNCIL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY. THAT'S IT. THAT WAS VERY SHORT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY COUNCIL MEMBERS? YES MA'AM. GO AHEAD. THIS WAS YOUR MOTION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES, IT WAS. HELLO EVERYONE. FOR ME, WHEN I MADE THIS MOTION IT WAS SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF A PARTICULAR NAMING WITHIN MY DISTRICT THAT HAD A LOT OF EMOTION CONNECTED TO IT. I DISCOVERED THAT WHEN A COUNCIL MEMBER MAKES A MOTION TO NAME SOMETHING AFTER SOMEONE, IT GETS A SECOND AND IT GETS GENERAL SUPPORT. NOTHING IS PRESENTED TO US IN ADVANCE. YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION HOW THE COMMUNITY FEELS ABOUT THAT. WE HAVEN'T TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IF THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE THAT MAY BE WORTHY OF THAT NAMING, AND IT DOES CREATE A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT PRESENTED ITSELF IN THIS CHAMBER BECAUSE OF IT. IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS A VERY SIMPLISTIC THING TO DO TO OFFER THE NAMING OF SOMETHING BECAUSE MAYBE SOMEONE HAS ASKED YOU TO. TO HIGHLIGHT, TO BE VERY SPECIFIC, THIS MORNING ON MY WAY TO COUNCIL I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY ASKING WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO GET YOU TO REQUEST NAMING A STREET AFTER SOMEONE? THAT'S IT. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT'S JUST A REQUEST MADE TO ME. THAT'S LOBBYING ME TO DO SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW THE PERSON. IT SOUNDS GOOD AND I COULD EASILY AGREE TO IT. IF I WERE TO MAKE THAT MOTION, I THINK IT IS A COURTESY THAT WE ALL SAY YES. BUT THE VETTING PROCESS HAS NOT HAPPENED WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE SOMEONE COULD COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, 20 YEARS AGO, MY SUCH AND SUCH FAMILY CONTRIBUTED TO THE SAME VERY SITUATION AND YOU ALL DON'T OFFER US THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE IT NAMED AFTER THAT PARTICULAR PERSON. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST TRYING TO AVOID IS COUNCIL MEMBERS BEING LOBBIED FOR WHATEVER REASON. I KNOW I HAVE ACCEPTED THE FACT THIS IS A POLITICAL JOB, BUT I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE DOING THAT IF SOMEONE IS PRESENTING IT WITH ME BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW A COUNCIL MEMBER ACTUALLY GETS TO THAT DECISION TO SAY YES, IS IT BECAUSE SOMEONE ASKED YOU TO DO IT AND YOU THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE OTHER CONCERNS OR INTERESTS OF THE PUBLIC. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN -- SORRY, VIERA THEN CLENDENIN. >>LUIS VIERA: NO, NO, GO AHEAD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I CONCUR WITH COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON ON THIS. IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT WE'RE MISSING A LITTLE BIT IN THESE DECISIONS IS THE GRAVITAS OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR WHOEVER WE'RE RENAMING AFTER. I THINK A LOT HAS TO BE DONE BY THE RESEARCH AND STAFF REPORTS TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT PERSON'S LIFE AND CONTRIBUTIONS AND WHY IT RISES TO A LEVEL OF RENAMING A PUBLIC FACILITY OR PUBLIC STREET. I FOUND IT INTERESTING IN THE ONE SITUATION, VERY DIFFICULT AND CREATED A LOT OF EMOTION, ANIMOSITY AND UNNECESSARY EMOTION AND ANIMOSITY THAT PROBABLY THROUGH PROCEDURE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO AVOID. OBVIOUSLY, THIS -- SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAS TO HAPPEN. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE AND I REALLY FEEL LIKE WHO IS DOING ENOUGH OF THE RESEARCH. GETTING ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS, THAT WE'RE MAKING GOOD DECISIONS. IS STAFF SATISFIED THAT THIS PROCEDURE WOULD BE WELL UTILIZED AND ADEQUATE TO MAKE SURE -- ENSURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE MET THAT LEVEL OF GRAVITAS? >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN I SPEAK BEFORE MS. VAN LOAN, PLEASE? BECAUSE WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION. WHAT MS. VAN LOAN'S OFFICE DOES IS WHAT WE ASK HER TO DO. WE MAKE THE MOTION AND THEN THEY DO THE VETTING. IT'S NOT THEIR OFFICE, PER SE. THEY ACTUALLY DO WHAT WE'RE ASKING. IT'S BEFORE IT GETS TO HER OFFICE IS THE PART THAT WE MUST ADDRESS THAT IS AMONG US. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S SAY I WANT TO NAME A STREET AFTER MY DOG. EVERYBODY KNOWS I LOVE MY DOGS. I WOULD SUBMIT MY DOG'S NAME. MAYBE A PROCEDURE I SUBMIT MY DOG'S NAME TO THE STAFF FOR VETTING AND THEY COULD CREATE A REPORT ABOUT THAT, WHETHER MY DOG IS WORTHY OF THAT RENAMING AND THEN SUBMIT THE REPORT BACK TO US WHEN IT COMES BEFORE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL? >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE ARE CHARGED WITH, ARE THEY ELIGIBLE BASED UNDER THE ORDINANCE. WE ARE NOT JUDGING WORTHINESS. SO IF THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION BY CITY COUNCIL THROUGH A MOTION OR BY THE ADMINISTRATION, WE ARE NOT QUESTIONING THE JUDGMENT OF EITHER OF THOSE TWO ENTITIES COMING TO US TO RUN IT THROUGH A PROCESS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN AND TO IMPLEMENT IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ARE THERE ANY CRITERIA? I READ SOME CRITERIA THAT PERSONS FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF THINGS, FIRST CRITERIA IS THEY NEED TO BE DEAD. >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: FOR MAJOR ASSETS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FIRST CRITERIA, YOU MUST BE DEAD. ARE THOSE CRITERIA WE ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE FOLLOWING AND INCORPORATE? >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: I DON'T WANT TO SAY UNFORTUNATELY, OUR CONUNDRUM COMES UP IN A COUPLE ONE, IT SAYS THEY MADE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. I CANNOT JUDGE FOR YOU WHAT IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY. WHAT I MAY PERCEIVE TO BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, WHETHER I'M AN ENVIRONMENTALIST OR INTO RECYCLING OR INTO PARKS AND REC, FOR THE DIRT PEOPLE TO JUDGE WHAT IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THERE IS, WHEN YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, THAT YOU'RE ASKING US, YOU'RE NOT -- WE'RE ASKING ASKED TO PUT IT THROUGH THE PROCESS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION BY CITY COUNCIL TO NAME SOMETHING AFTER SOMEONE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M A CITY COUNCIL PERSON AND I SAY I WANT THE STREET RENAMED AFTER THIS BELOVED ANIMAL, THEODORE BARRINGTON BECAUSE HE MADE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE PEOPLE TO MY RIGHT AND LEFT ON THE DAY TOYS LOOK AT ME AND SAY YOU'RE FULL OF YOU KNOW WHAT, TO REJECT THAT. SO CITY STAFF WOULD NOT BE REJECTING. IT WOULD BE UP TO US TO SELF-REGULATE. >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: WHAT WOULD HAPPEN -- WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IS THE ORDINANCE SAYS WHEN YOU MAKE THE MOTION, A FULL BIO IS SUPPOSED TO BE AVAILABLE. WHAT NORMALLY HAPPENS IS THE MOTIONS ARE MADE AND THEN OUR STAFF IS WORKING WITH WHOEVER ASKED YOU TO MAKE THE MOTION OR ANYONE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CHASE DOWN THE BIOS, WE GATHER THAT INFORMATION AND THEN WE TRY TO LOOK AT PUBLIC RECORDS THAT VERIFY THE INFORMATION PROVIDED. SO IF THEY SAY THEY DID X, Y, Z, WE GO AND LOOK DID THEY SERVE ON THESE BOARDS? DID THEY PARTICIPATE IN WHATEVER IT WAS THAT WAS SAID AND THE INFORMATION PROVIDED USUALLY BY THE REQUESTER. THEN WE PUT THAT TOGETHER AND BRING THAT BIOBACK TO YOU IN THAT FIRST PRESENTATION FOR YOU ALL TO DECIDE, DOES THAT BIO LIVE UP TO YOUR LEVEL OF SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION, I'VE READ IT, DO THEY SPELL OUT EXAMPLES OF SIGNIFICANT -- >> NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S FOR OUR INTERPRETATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, SIR. IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE ONES WE'VE DONE RECENTLY, WE HAVE ONE COMING UP FOR SALVADOR MARTINEZ YBOR, THE GRANDSON OF THE FOUNDER OF YBOR CITY WHO UNBEKNOWNST TO MANY WAS KILLED IN ACTION IN WORLD WAR II. DR. WALTER SMITH. MIKE PHILLIPS, MADLY TRAINING MS TRAINING CENTER. I DON'T THINK WE'VE ABUSED THE DISCRETION. THERE WAS ONE SITUATION THAT WAS TRAGIC, IT REALLY WAS, BECAUSE IT'S SAD TO SEE A DISPUTE OVER PERSON A AND PERSON B, BOTH OF WHOM HAVE PASSED ON. THAT'S SAD, BETWEEN PEOPLE THAT IT MEANS A LOT. I REALLY THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE THE BURDEN IS ON US AS COUNCIL, IF I'M GOING TO PROPOSE SOMETHING, I'M GOING TO VET IT. AND WE ALL HAVE TO VET IT. IF WE SEE A RED FLAG GOING, HEY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. THERE IS A DIPLOMATIC WAY TO HANDLE IT. IT IS INCUMBENT ON CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO MAY MAKE THE PROPOSALS TO BE RESPONSIBLE WITH THEM. THAT'S IT. JUST TO BE VERY, VERY RESPONSIBLE WITH THEM BECAUSE ACUTE THINGS CAN HAPPEN. PEOPLE GET VERY EMOTIONAL, JUSTIFIABLY SO OVER THE LEGACY OF PEOPLE NO LONGER WITH US. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WISH IT WERE THAT BLACK AND WHITE. FOR ME, WE JUST DON'T NEED THAT LEVEL OF POWER TO MAKE THE MOTION AT ALL. THE APPLICATION PROCESS ACTUALLY DOES EXIST FOR THE COMMUNITY, CORRECT? THEY CAN FILL OUT AN APPLICATION. JUST LIKE HOW WE DECIDE ON ZONING ISSUES, IT CAN BE PRESENTED BEFORE US AND THEN WE CAN MAKE THE DECISION. WE DO NOT HAVE TO BE THE INITIATORS OF IT. WE SHOULD LET THE COMMUNITY PRESENT IT TO US AND THEN WE DECIDE. IT ACTUALLY CAN HAPPEN AND IT DID HAPPEN. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE ONES WE VOTED ON FROM ALESSI TO WALTER SMITH AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THAT I'VE BEEN A PART OF, YES, IT IS GOOD WHEN IT'S GOOD. BUT WHEN IT'S NOT AND BECAUSE IT CAME FROM UP HERE, IT SHOWS A LEVEL OF POWER THAT WE HAVE THAT WE JUST DON'T NEED TO HAVE IT. WE JUST DON'T NEED TO HAVE THAT LEVEL OF POWER. IT'S NOT NECESSARY. AND IT PUTS YOU -- IT CAN ACTUALLY PUT YOU IN AN UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. I GOT THE PHONE CALL TODAY AND I WAS GIVEN A LITTLE PITCH, AND IT SOUNDED NICE, YOU KNOW, BUT IF I'M IN A POSITION WHERE THAT'S NOT UP TO ME, YOU ALL CAN MAKE AN APPLICATION, AND IT DOES COME BEFORE COUNCIL AND THE SEVEN MEMBER BODY CAN MAKE THAT DECISION. WE DO NOT HAVE TO BE THE INITIATORS. I KNOW THAT THAT TAKES AWAY POWER FROM THIS DAIS, BUT IT ALSO PUTS YOU IN A POSITION WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE LOBBIED AND FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE JUST BECAUSE THEY ASK DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO SAY YES. HAVE YOU EVER DECLINED ANYONE THAT'S APPROACHED YOU? HAVE YOU EVER BEEN IN THAT POSITION? THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS WELL. WHERE YOU WANT TO SAY NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT ABOUT IF INSTEAD OF DOING THE PROCESS WE DID NOW, IF -- INSTEAD OF EXCLUSIONARY LIKE THAT, LET'S SAY I WANTED TO HAVE -- WHICH I NEVER HAVE. DON'T FORESEE MYSELF DOING IT. LET'S SAY SOMEWHERE IN THE FUTURE I CAME ACROSS SOMEBODY WORTHY THAT I WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE A MOTION TO REQUEST STAFF PREPARE A REPORT AND A BIO TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL AND THEN LET THE PROCEDURE GO FROM THAT POINT INSTEAD OF HAVING US MAKE A MOTION AND STARTING BLINDLY. GENERALLY WHEN WE HEAR THIS, IT IS THE FIRST TIME WE HEARD IT AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION AND THEN IT STARTS THE CLOCK. BUT WE GET ALL THE INFORMATION FROM STAFF AHEAD OF TIME AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT PUTS A LOT OF BURDEN ON THE STAFF. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO IS IF ONE COUNCIL MEMBER SUGGESTS IT AND IT IS A MOTION OF COUNCIL TO TELL IT TO STAFF, THERE IS AN INFERENCE THERE, A VOTE OF COUNCIL BEHIND SENDING IT TO THE STAFF AND THE PROCESS. A LOT OF THOSE NAMES MAY OR MAY NOT BE. POSITION OF EITHER STAFF SAYING IT DOESN'T MEET CRITERIA AND THEN TELLING THOSE PEOPLE OR COUNCIL MAKING THAT DECISION IN A PUBLIC MEETING ON ITS OWN. THAT IS A VERY AWKWARD POSITION TO BE IN I WOULD THINK. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK THAT WE RISK CREATING A PROBLEM, IN SEARCH OF A SOLUTION, WHATEVER IT IS. I SAY THIS WITH TONS OF STUFF, INCLUDING RESOLUTIONS, WE CAN SAY NO, RIGHT? IF SOMEBODY COMES UP TO ME AND ASKS ME FOR A RENAMING I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH, I SAY NO TO PEOPLE ALL THE TIME ON STUFF, RIGHT? THAT'S FINE. WE CAN ALWAYS SAY NO. IF WE LEAVE IT UP TO THE COMMUNITY TO COME TO US ON IT, NUMBER ONE, THAT'S GOING TO BE -- THE COMMUNITY IS IN CHARGE OF STREET RENAMINGS THROUGH US BECAUSE WE'RE ELECTED BY THE COMMUNITY AND WE ARE THE DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COMMUNITY. AND IF WE PUT IT OUT TO SOME PROCESS WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME, IT WILL STILL COME TO US AND STILL HAVE TO SAY YES OR NO. I JUST THINK AGAIN, MAYBE IF THERE'S MORE OF A BURDEN ON COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR VETTING THINGS. AGAIN, I WOULD QUESTION, WHEN HAS THIS BIT US IN THE PAST? ONE TIME IT HAS. AGAIN, THAT WAS VERY, VERY SAD. I HATED TO SEE THAT. I THINK IT BROKE EVERYBODY'S HEART BECAUSE FOLKS WHO WERE NO LONGER WITH US, PEOPLE GETTING EMOTIONAL ABOUT THAT, NOBODY WANTS THAT, BUT THAT CAN BE REMEDY, I THINK THROUGH PROPER VETTING AND WHATNOT. IF WE PUT IT OUT THROUGH SOME PROCESS WHERE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY CAN UNILATERALLY PROCEED AND -- WE STILL HAVE TO SAY YES OR NO TO IT. WE WERE ELECTED TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS IN CONSULTATION WITH THE COMMUNITY ON IT. BY THE WAY, I ACTUALLY HAVE HAD -- NOT GOING TO SAY WHO, BUT I HAVE PEOPLE COME UP TO ME AND ASK ME AND I GO I WISH YOU WELL, GO IN THE PEACE OF OUR LORD, I MUST DECLINE. I HAVE SAID NO BEFORE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. THE DIFFERENCE, THOUGH, IS RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST CAUGHT UNAWARE AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE BACKGROUND. IT COMES DURING NEW BUSINESS INSTEAD OF -- I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON'S IDEA IS HONESTLY THE BEST OF SOMEBODY COMES TO YOU, HEY, LOVE A STREET NAMING. GREAT, HERE IS THE PROCESS. FILL THIS OUT. THEY'LL DO THE BACKGROUND WORK OR WE WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME RULES THAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW. PASS THIS TEST, THAT TEST, WHATEVER, BUT WE COULD COME UP WITH THAT AND THEN THEY COULD BRING IT TO US. BUT BY THEN, I WOULD HAVE BACKGROUND INFORMATION. I WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT. RIGHT NOW, WE SIMPLY APPROVE IT BECAUSE MOST OF US DON'T KNOW WHO THE PERSON IS AND THEN WE'RE JUST AUTOMATICALLY SORT OF FORCED TO SAY YES BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. I UNDERSTAND WHERE COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON IS COMING FROM. I AGREE THAT THE PROCESS COULD BE BETTER. I SUPPORT YOU IN THE APPLICATION. IF IT ALREADY EXISTS, GREAT. IF NOT, CREATING ONE. >> IF I MAY, WE DO HAVE AN APPLICATION. WHEN YOU PASSED YOUR OWN ORDINANCE THAT APPLIES TO YOUR POLICY, CREATING A POLICY FOR YOURSELF, IT ALSO AS MR. SHELBY POINTED OUT PUTS US IN THE POSITION OF HAVING TO VERY POLITELY AND DIPLOMATICALLY REMIND YOU WHAT YOUR POLICY SAYS SO IT IS FOLLOWED. CURRENTLY THE POLICY SAYS WHEN A MOTION IS MADE IT IS THAT COUNCILPERSON'S RESPONSIBILITY TO HAVE THE BIO. SO YOU CAN ASK OF EACH OTHER THAT BEFORE MOTIONS ARE MADE THAT YOU PROVIDE THROUGH OUR PROPER CHANNEL AND THROUGH OnBase, YOU REQUIRE STAFF TO HAVE EVERYTHING ON OnBase PRIOR TO IT BEING BROUGHT TO YOU, THAT CAN ALSO BE SHARED PRIOR TO THE MOTION BEING MADE. >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, THAT IS A GREAT CHANGE TO BE MADE BECAUSE WE COULD PROPOSE SOMETHING OF SOMEONE AND YOU DON'T WANT TO BE DISRESPECTFUL AND VOTE NO, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S PATENTLY OFFENSIVE. MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHEN WE BRING IT UP, WE HAVE THE BIO, AND MAYBE YOU PRESENT IT TO CITY COUNCIL AND YOU GO, LISTEN, I WILL BE MAKING THIS MOTION IN TWO WEEKS. YU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION AT THE TIME AND PEOPLE HAVE TIME TO VET IT. THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL CHANGE. I THINK THAT'S MARVELOUS. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S NOT REALLY ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE APPLICATION. I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THE MOTION OUT OF IT, JUST, PERIOD AND GO STRAIGHT TO THE APPLICATION. THAT'S GOING TO BE MY RECOMMENDATION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YEAH, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WOMEN ARE JUST A LOT TOUGHER UP HERE, EVEN ON THE DAIS. WE COULD SAY NO VERY EASILY AND IT'S JUST NOT IMPACTFUL TO US. I THINK FOR ME, I JUST MADE A GENERAL RULE WITHIN MYSELF THAT I'M JUST NOT GOING TO DO IT AND I'M GOING TO DECLINE WHEN A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY ASKS ME TO DO IT. I WAS WATCHING A MEETING WHERE A COUNCIL MEMBER MADE A MOTION TO NAME SOMETHING AFTER SOMEONE AND THE PERSON HAD ONLY BEEN DEAD A WEEK AND THE RULE IS FOR A YEAR. BUT IT WAS UNANIMOUS. RIGHT UP HERE. WE CAN -- IF WE ELIMINATE TAKING WHEN IT'S PRESENTED TO US, I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE A LOT EASIER ON US AS INDIVIDUALS, BEEN ELECTED, I UNDERSTAND THAT, IT'S JUST THERE'S TOO MUCH POLITICS BEHIND IT. HAVING TO HAVE READ ALL THE DOCUMENTATION FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY REGARDING THE ONE IN MY DISTRICT, REGARDING A PARK, WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO MUCH. YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M LIKE, YOU CAN GET A BENCH AND GET A TREE OR YOU WANT THE TREE AND HAVE THE BENCH BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE THE NAME OF THE PARK. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MY SOLUTION TO BOTH FAMILIES. LIKE NOTHING CAN BE NAMED AFTER YOUR PARENTS, BUT YOU CAN GET A BENCH AT THE PARK AND YOU CAN GET A BENCH AT THE PARK. THAT'S HOW I FELT ABOUT IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO BE PUT IN THE POSITION TO DECIDE ONE OVER THE OTHER. IT'S JUST NOT FAIR TO ANY OF US OR EVEN TO THEM, BECAUSE YOU'RE DECIDING WORTHINESS. IT'S JUST AN UNCOMFORTABLE POSITION TO BE IN. I WOULD RATHER SAY THAT RIGHT NOW WHILE I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN FRONT OF ME. IT IS EASY FOR ME TO TELL A PERSON, NO, THAT THAT'S NOT THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW RATHER THAN BE PUT IN A POSITION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST VERY BRIEFLY COUNCIL. JUST A REMINDER THAT, OF COURSE, IF SOMEBODY DOES APPROACH A COUNCIL MEMBER AND ASKS FOR THIS AND THE COUNCIL MEMBER SAYS NO, IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE SOMEBODY FROM GOING TO LOBBY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GET SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YES. OF COURSE, YOU CAN'T EVEN DISCUSS HAVE YOU BEEN APPROACHED BY BECAUSE SOMETHING LIKELY TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL FOR A VOTE WHICH WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF THE SUNSHINE LAW. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M GOING TO PULL OUT MY MAN CARD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OH, BOY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT'S BETTER THAN THE OTHER ONE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ON BEHALF OF MEN EVERYWHERE, I CAN SAY NO. I HAVE NO PROBLEM SAYING NO. ASK ANY OF MY KIDS OR MY DOGS. I THINK THE THING IS, THIS IS POLITICAL RIGHT? WE ARE HIRED TO BE POLITICIANS. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I DO LIKE PROCEDURE. I'M A PROCEDURE GUY. I THINK HAVING THIS, THE BIOS AHEAD OF TIME, I THINK THE SUGGESTION OF HAVING THAT SUBMITTED IN OnBase SO THAT WE ARE BETTER PREPARED AND BETTER UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITAS OF THAT PARTICULAR REQUEST IS IMPORTANT. I THINK THAT WAS A REALLY WELL MADE DISCUSSION. I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID THAT OR STAFF, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE FIRST BROUGHT IT UP. I THINK COUNCILMAN VIERA ECHOED IT. I THINK HAVING THAT GRAVITAS IN FRONT OF US PRIOR TO THE FIRST VOTE BECAUSE I DO SEE AND SOMETIMES I THINK TO THE FRUSTRATION OF STAFF AND OTHERS, ON THIS AND OTHER ISSUES, WE OUT OF COURTESY TO FELLOW COUNCIL PEOPLE GENERALLY WILL SECOND MOTIONS OR PUSH THINGS ALONG OUT OF COURTESY AND MAYBE IF WE HAVE THIS IN ADVANCE WE WOULD BE BETTER PREPARED TO SAY NO. >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT DOESN'T DETERMINE WORTHINESS. THAT'S THE ISSUE. IT MAY BE, YES, THIS PERSON IS GOOD, BUT NOTHING ELSE HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK WE MAYBE EITHER NEED TO HAVE IN WRITING FROM COUNCIL'S PERSPECTIVE WHAT WORTHINESS LOOKS LIKE SO A BETTER PROCEDURE. THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS THESE PEOPLE HAVE MADE, MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO BE, AND THEN WE CAN COMPARE WHAT IS BROUGHT BEFORE US BEFORE OUR PREDETERMINED LIST OF WHAT WOULD BE WORTHY AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THAT QUANTITATIVE INFORMATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF I REMEMBER ON RIVERWALK, I THINK THE CRITERIA THE PERSON HAD TO BE DEAD 15 YEARS. THEY WERE VERY SPECIFIC. PERHAPS LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE MATRIX AND THEN THAT CAN BE HELPFUL. MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WANT TO TAKE TWO MINUTES, COUNCI. YOU ARE ABOUT TO ADOPT RULES WITH REGARD TO PRESENTATIONS AND COMMENDATIONS THAT ARE SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THAT. I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION. THESE ARE RULES THAT YOU WILL BE TALKING ABOUT ON JUNE 6 OR ADOPTING. WITH REGARD TO AN IN-PERSON COMMENDATION NOT RELATED TO CITY BUSINESS, YOUR RULE WILL BE THAT CITY COUNCIL SHALL REQUIRE A MEMORANDUM RECEIVED IN ADVANCE OF A MOTION SEEKING AN IN-PERSON COMMENDATION THAT IS NOT RELATED TO CITY BUSINESS, EXPLAINING THE BACKGROUND OF THE PERSON FOR WHOM THE COMMENDATION IS SOUGHT AND WHY AN IN-PERSON COMMENDATION IS REQUESTED INSTEAD OF BEING PRESENTED OFF-SITE BECAUSE YOU SAID AND I ADDED, IT IS THE PREFERENCE OF CITY COUNCIL THAT SUCH COMMENDATION NOT RELATED TO CITY BUSINESS ARE PRESENTED OFF-SITE. WITH REGARD TO PRESENTATIONS, RULE STATES CITY COUNCIL SHALL REQUIRE A MEMORANDUM RECEIVED IN ADVANCE OF A MOTION SEEKING A PRESENTATION ON A MATTER THAT IS NOT RELATED TO CITY BUSINESS EXPLAINING THE SUBJECT OF THE PRESENTATION, WHO WILL BE PRESENTING, AND WHY THE PRESENTATION AT THE MEETING IS NECESSARY. SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE SETTING THAT UP NOW FOR PRESENTATION AND COMMENDATIONS TO DO THAT IN ADVANCE. COUNCIL RECEIVING THAT IN ADVANCE OF MAKING THE MOTION UNDER NEW BUSINESS. >>LUIS VIERA: WOULD THIS BE SOMETHING CURED OR ADDRESSED THROUGH A RULE OF PROCEDURE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: CERTAINLY CAN. >>LUIS VIERA: DOES TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, GIVES PEOPLE TIME. THEN ALSO PUTS A BURDEN ON A COUNCIL MEMBER HAVING TO WRITE A MINI-BIOGRAPHY ON SOMEBODY AND EXPLAIN WHY THEY ARE WORTHY FOR THIS. SO THAT PUTS A BURDEN ON SOMEONE. I CAN'T FLIPPANTLY GO, HEY, I WANT TO DO SOMETHING AFTER SO AND SO. MAYBE RULES OF PROCEDURE COULD DEAL WITH THIS IN A GOOD WAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? >>GWEN HENDERSON: WITHIN MY OWN POLICY, IN ORDER FOR ME TO SAY, WELL, IF YOU WANT ME TO DO THIS, THEN I NEED SEVERAL LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OTHER PEOPLE, ORGANIZATIONS OR OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY SUPPORTING WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING, IF I'M -- AM I ENTITLED TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: TO GO BEYOND THE RULES? YOUR CRITERIA IS YOUR CRITERIA. >>GWEN HENDERSON: IS IT LEGAL FOR ME TO DO THAT FROM A STANDPOINT -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK WE SHOULD JUST PUT THAT AS PART OF OUR RULES. I LIKE THAT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: CAN'T JUST COME FROM ME. HAS TO BE A PROCESS WHERE IF YOU'RE GOING TO LOBBY ME FOR IT, THEN I NEED TO HEAR FROM OTHER PEOPLE BESIDES YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S FAIR. I'VE HAD REQUESTS LIKE THAT IN THE PAST, SO AND SO WILL COME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, TO GIVE IT CREDIBILITY OR VOUCH FOR THE SAID INDIVIDUAL. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF MS. VAN LOAN WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THIS, MAYBE I CAN GET IDEAS FOR LANGUAGE AND BRING IT BACK NEXT WEEK ON THE 6th. JUNE 6. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I AM A TEACHER. I LIKE COMING UP WITH IDEAS ON THE SIDE. THE OTHER THING THAT WOULD BE GREAT IS THE DAY YOU MAKE A MOTION, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMEBODY IN PUBLIC COMMENT BACKING YOU UP BESIDES JUST YOUR PAPERWORK, HEY, YOU NEED TO BRING AT LEAST ONE OR TWO PEOPLE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WORK WITH MS. VAN LOAN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SHE HAS A LOT ON HER PLATE. DO YOU HAVE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS? IS THERE A CHECKLIST OR A PROCESS THAT YOU FOLLOW? >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: MY CHECKLIST IS ALL BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE. THE ONLY THING THAT GOES BEYOND THAT IS WE DO SOME VERY BASIC ONLY BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE PUBLIC REALM OF BACKGROUND SEARCH. THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT ARE NOT WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE THAT'S ON OUR CHECKLIST. OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF CHECKLIST THAT DEFINES WORTHINESS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THAT CODIFIED IN MUNICODE? >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: IT IS AN ACTUAL ORDINANCE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S CODIFIED? >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: IT'S GOT NUMBERS DOWN THE SIDE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT SECTION OF THE CODE IS IT? WHAT CHAPTER WOULD THAT BE IN, RON, IF YOU KNOW, PLEASE? >> SECTION BEGINS ON SECTION 2 -- RON WIGGINTON, LEGAL DEPARTMENT. SECTION 2-828. CONTINUES ON. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'LL UPLOAD THAT TO COUNCIL OR SEND BY E-MAIL SO YOU HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF YOU. >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: THEY ALL HAVE IT. I BELIEVE IT WAS POSTED WITH TODAY'S AGENDA. IT WAS SENT TO YOU BY THE CHIEF OF STAFF'S OFFICE WHEN THEY SENT THE PowerPoint. IT WAS AN ATTACHMENT WITH THE PowerPoint. EVERYONE WHO GOT THAT GOT A COPY OF THE ORDINANCE. THE OTHER THING, I KNOW WE SORT OF ONCE THIS ORDINANCE WAS CREATED THAT HAS SORT OF BEEN THE BANDWAGON AND THE AUTOMATIC GO-TO. SOME OF THE COMMENTS I RECEIVED BACK FROM SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS ARE HONORARY NAMINGS SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS BIG AND IMPACTFUL. IT SHOULD BE THE EXCEPTION AND NOT THE RULE THAT EVERYBODY GETS HONORED WITH A STREET NAME OR EVERYONE GETS HONORED WITH A PARK NAME. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS AND OTHER NAMINGS THAT WE CAN DO THAT ARE MINOR. I USE MINOR WITH A SMALL M. MINOR ASSETS. AND THEN WE HAVE ASSETS THAT ARE SMALLER THAN WHAT IS IN HERE. WE TALKED ABOUT BENCHES BUT THERE CAN BE OTHER THINGS. THE PARKS DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE ITS OWN POLICY FOR THE SMALLER THINGS IF IT IS ABOUT THE PARKS. I'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING AND STAFF HAS DONE A LOT OF SORT OF BRAINSTORMING ABOUT WHAT ARE IDEAS AND PARKS AND REC IS POSSIBLY LOOKING AT HISTORICAL INTERESTING MARKERS THAT WE MIGHT PUT THAT WE MIGHT RECOGNIZE SOMEBODY'S CONTRIBUTION IN AN AREA WITHOUT OFFICIALLY NAMING SOMETHING AFTER THAT PERSON. SO WE WANT TO ALSO JUST REMIND YOU, THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. IF YOU FEEL SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE RECOGNIZED BUT MAYBE IT DOESN'T COME TO THAT FULL LEVEL OF HAVING SOMETHING AS BIG AS A STREET NAMED OR A FULL ASSET NAMED AFTER THEM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I CAN'T NAME THAT PART OF THE DAIS AFTER YOU, MR. SHELBY. SO SORRY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE IT BETTER. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT NOW AND TODAY AND CHECKING OUR EGOS, BUT EVEN FUTURE COUNCIL MEMBERS PUTTING A GOOD POLICY IN PLACE SO EVEN THAT ONE TIME DOES REALLY MATTER BECAUSE THINK ABOUT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED BEFORE US. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN RACIALIZED. IT COULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH BIGGER HAD WE BEEN FORCED TO MAKE A DECISION. WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. WE HAVE TOO MANY OTHER THINGS IN CITY BUSINESS TO ADDRESS NOT TO GET CAUGHT UP IN THE WEEDS OF IT BECOMING A BLACK-AND-WHITE ISSUE OR BLACK AND HISPANIC ISSUE OR ANY KIND OF ISSUE REGARDING RACE BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY HAPPENED ON THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT FOR ANY -- I'M NOT MAKING THEM. JUST SUGGESTING THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY ITEM. THAT FOR ANY HONORARY RENAMING THERE BE AT LEAST TWO OR THREE LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION TO BE PRESENTED WITH IT AS WELL AS A MEMORANDUM TWO WEEKS BEFORE MAKING THE MOTION, THE COUNCIL MEMBER MUST SUBMIT AT THE COUNCIL MEETING AND THAT COMES BACK TO US PROMPTLY BECAUSE I'M WORKING ON ONE RIGHT NOW THAT MEANS A LOT TO ME, BY THE WAY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: AND PUBLIC COMMENT. >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, THE PUBLIC COMMENT, HAVING SOMEBODY HERE SPEAKING, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THAT RESPECTFULLY. BUT THE OTHER TWO I'M GOOD WITH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MAKE A MOTION THAT MARTY SHELBY WORK WITH STAFF TO -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: [INAUDIBLE] >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT YOU TO DO IT WITH STAFF. I WANT YOU TO CALL ALL OF THE CITY STAFF TOGETHER. EVERYBODY. INCLUDING THE MAYOR. [ LAUGHTER ] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND THE OLD MAYOR. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I APOLOGIZE FOR CALLING THE MEN ON THE DIE THE DAISNICE. [ LAUGHTER ] >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MAKE A MOTION THAT MARTIN SHELBY WORK ON LANGUAGE BASED ON THE INFORMATION HE HEARD AT THIS MEETING AND REPORT BACK AT THE WORKSHOP ON -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: [INAUDIBLE] >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO, TOO MUCH. I'M THINKING SEPTEMBER 26. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >>MARTIN SHELBY: [INAUDIBLE] >>LUIS VIERA: I AM WILLING TO TAKE OFF TWO ITEMS FROM JUNE 6 TO GET THIS DONE ON JUNE 6. YOU HAVE MY WORD OF HONOR AS A GENTLEMAN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST TWO? >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS OTHER ITEMS -- LOOK AT YOUR CALENDAR FOR JUNE 6, THE NAME OF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION NOW APPEARS SO WE CAN DETERMINE WHETHER -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONE OF THE PERSONS WHO HAS MOST OF THE STUFF IS NOT HERE TODAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'LL BRING IT TO HIS ATTENTION. HE CAN DO IT BY MEMO, PERHAPS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. >>MICHELLE VAN LOAN: DON'T THINK STAFF IS WRITING A MEMO. JUST KIDDING. WHILE DECEMBER AND ALL OF THAT WAS UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT, I JUST, WHATEVER WE PUT IN, IN ALL OF THIS, WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO GO OUT AND RESEARCH WHO ELSE MIGHT BE ATTACHED TO. THAT COMES OUT TO YOUR CONNECTIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THEIR SUPPORT AND HOPEFULLY PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IT BEFORE AGAIN, THAT WAS VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT WE ENDED UP IN THAT. BUT EVERYTHING IS BASED ON WHOEVER IS THE PERSON BEING CONSIDERED. WE DON'T HAVE -- IT WOULD BE VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY OF US TO GO OUT AND TRY AND RESEARCH WHO ELSE OUT THERE MIGHT BE ASSOCIATED WITH SUCH AN ASSET, UNLESS IT WAS SOMETHING SUPER FAMOUS. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PREVENT THAT FROM EVER HAPPENING AGAIN. HOPEFULLY ENOUGH DISCUSSION AHEAD OF TIME WOULD BRING SOME OF THOSE POTENTIAL ISSUES TO LIGHT SO THAT THEY CAN BE DISCUSSED AND ADDRESSED BEFORE IT EVER GETS TO A FORMAL ACTION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: EVEN WITHIN THE DISTRICT, FOR ME, IF THIS WAS THE CASE FOR ME NOT JUST GETTING THE LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION, BUT I WOULD ACTUALLY COMMUNICATE WITH THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS HAPPENING. IF YOU ALL HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO SAY ABOUT IT OR IF YOU ARE COSIGNING ON IT, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, JUST TO MINIMIZE ANY PARTICULAR CONTROVERSY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE EYES ON IT. HE TOLD ME TO TALK INTO THE MICROPHONE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU DID. YOU'RE GOOD. YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: ACTUALLY, THAT IS A GOOD POINT AND SOMETHING BROUGHT UP WITH THAT ISSUE IS THAT THE COMMUNITY WASN'T NOTIFIED. I THINK ALONG WITH THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER SHOULD BRING FORWARD INFORMATION BASICALLY CERTIFYING THAT THEY HAVE SPOKEN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED, WHETHER IT BE A STREET OR A PARK OR WHATEVER. I THINK THAT HAS TO BE PART OF THE RULES OF PROCEDURE, MR. SHELBY, THAT BASICALLY -- YEAH, THAT THAT CERTIFIES THAT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER AND THEN NAME THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GET A LETTER OR SOMETHING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAYING WE KNOW ABOUT THIS. WE'RE OKAY WITH IT. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MAYBE THAT HAS TO BE ONE OF THE LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION. HAS TO BE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE AREA FOR WHICH THE NAMING IS GOING TO OCCUR. AND ABSENT THAT, IT WOULD GO TO THAN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE REPRESENTATION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: OH, MY GOODNESS. >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST SAYING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHEN I WANT TO RENAME TAMPA CHARLIE-VILLE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BETTER HAVE IT VETTED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. [ LAUGHTER ] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHARLIE-VILLE BUCCANEERS. >>LUIS VIERA: I'LL SECOND WITH A MOTION IF JUNE 6. >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUNE 6. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY TELL ME THEY'LL GO THROUGH THIS AND CULL THE SCHEDULE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: JUNE 6 IS TO FULL FOR ME. I CAN'T DO IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU'RE JOKING, RIGHT? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY TELL ME HE WILL CALL ONE OF THE COUNCILPERSONS NOT HERE. THE MOTION IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DIRECTS ATTORNEY MARTY SHELBY TO COME BACK ON JUNE 6 WITH A PROPOSED RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR RENAMING, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE INPUT THEY HAVE RECEIVED FROM CITY COUNCIL ON THIS DAY, MAY 23. >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? IT IS 12:30, IF YOU ALL WANT TO KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING. YES MA'AM. >> STEPHANIE POYNOR. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IF YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO START DELEGATING MORE TASKS TO US THAT WE NEED AN ASSISTANT. I AGREE. I THINK THAT HAVING MULTIPLE RECOMMENDATIONS IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO MAKE THIS CONVERSATION TAKE PLACE, BUT WHEN TEACHERS OR OTHER FOLKS IN THEIR PARTICULAR INDUSTRY WIN AWARDS, THEY HAVE TO GET MULTIPLE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND SO HAVING MORE PEOPLE PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS IS ALWAYS GOOD. I'M NEW HERE, SO I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE GOTTEN THINGS NAMED AFTER THEM. THE ONLY PERSON I EVER MET IN THE CITY THAT I THOUGHT WAS WORTHY OF HAVING SOMETHING NAMED AFTER HER WAS LISA CHESHIRE WHO DID A LOT FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND A LOT FOR VETERANS. I KNOW I COULD PROBABLY HAVE A HUNDRED LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION FOR HER. I THINK THAT IS A VERY REALISTIC EXPECTATION TO HAVE TEN, AT LEAST, BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY IS WORTHY OF US CHANGING THE NAME OF A STREET FOR, THEY HAVE TOUCHED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE'S LIVES, NOT JUST TEN. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE THEM THE HONOR THEY SERVE AND WE CAN'T EXPECT STAFF TO BE THE FBI, BUT IF YOU'RE GETTING THAT MANY RECOMMENDATIONS, THERE ARE GOING TO BE ENOUGH PEOPLE TOUCHING ENOUGH OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE -- THAT IF THERE IS SOMETHING IN AN UNDERCURRENT, IT'S GOING TO COME UP. THANK YOU. I LOOK FORWARD TO MY ASSISTANT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? COUNCIL, WE HAVE ONE ITEM TO GO. GO AHEAD, MR. BREMER. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. I THINK WE CAN DO THIS IN LESS THAN TEN MINUTES. REMER, RESILIENCE OFFICER. ITEM THREE TODAY, AND I WILL BE JOINED BY BRIAN KNOX. I'LL >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GREAT GREAT. >> IF HE CAN HAVE THE SLIDE SHOW PULLED UP, PLEASE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THIS IS MY MOTION? >> YOUR MOTION. WE WILL TALK ABOUT TWO THINGS TODAY. WE WILL TALK OF EXTREME HEAT AND TALK ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF EXTREME HEAT IN RELATIONSHIP WITH THE URBAN TREE CANOPY. THIS MOTION IS GREAT TIMING BECAUSE THE CITY O TAMPA IS WORKING ON FINALIZING A NEW POLICY PLAYBOOK FOCUSED ON EXTREME HEAT. AND -- LET'S SEE. -- AND EXTREME HEAT IS A REAL PUBLIC SAFETY THREAT. IMPORTANTLY, HEAT IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF WEATHER-RELATED DEATHS. SO STORM SURGE AND FLOODING TEND TO BE WHAT COME TO MIND WHEN WE THINK OF NATURAL DISASTERS AND LOSS OF LIFE. AND ALSO TORNADOES AND EXTREME HEAT. ESPECIALLY DURING MAJOR HEAT WAVES CAUSES MORE LOSS OF LIFE THAN ANY OTHER EXTREME WEATHER N REDUCING THOSE DEATHS AND IMPACT TO OUR COMMUNITY. SO WORKING ALONGSIDE PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS AND CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT PLAY A ROLE IN THIS, THE CITY OF TAMPA IS WORKING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE WHICH, EVEN JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO HAD NOT SEEMED TO RISE TO THE LEVEL OF SIGNIFICANCE THAT IT IS NOW WITH -- WITH THE AMOUNT OF DEATHS THAT WE ARE SEEING ESPECIALLY ACROSS EUROPE, THE SOUTHWEST, AND WE KNOW THAT HERE IN FLORIDA, YOU KNOW, WEATHERIZATION OF HOMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT WILL PLAY A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ROLE TO STOP THE WARMING CYCLE. I WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT I MEAN FOR THAT IN A MOMENT. WHAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT, THE CITY PLAY AS VERY IMPORTANT ROLE ESPECIALLY IN OUR PUBLIC SPACES REDUCING IMPACTS TO THE COMMUNITY AND ESPECIALLY VULNERABLE POPULATIONS. A COUPLE OF INTERVENTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT SEE CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY STARTING TO IMPLEMENT ARE INCREASING THE URBAN TREE CANOPY. WE TALKED BEFORE UP HERE OF HOW DIFFICULT IT CAN BE TO PLANT TREES ON APPEAR URBAN CONTEXT. TREES MAY NOT ALWAYS BE THE ANSWER AND BUILD SHADE AS A GREAT TOOL. ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA IS HOSTING FIVE INTERNATIONAL CITIES TO DISCUSS SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS THAT HOUSTON, PHOENIX NEW YORK, TORONTO AND MEXICO CITY ARE ALL IMPLEMENTING. I LEARNED YESTERDAY FROM THE CITY OF PHOENIX, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE LITERALLY A BUILT SHADE DEPARTMENT WITHIN THEIR DEPARTMENT OF PARKS AND REC. NOT EVEN URBAN FORESTERS, BUT BUILT TRADE FOR TREES WHEN SHADE IS NOT APPROPRIATE. HYDRATION, SPLASH PADS, MISTERS. THEY HAVE BENEFITS BUT OFTENTIMES THEY ARE NOT THE RIGHT FIT. WE LOOKED AT CITIES THAT OPENED UP COOLING CENTERS BEFORE. WE DID THAT LAST SUMMER FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER. THE PARKS AND REC SUPPORTED THAT. WE HAVE A STEADY FLOW OF PEOPLE COMING THROUGH THOSE COOLING CENTERS. WHAT WE LEARNED THAT THEY DON'T COME THROUGH THE COOLING CENTERS BUT GO TO WALMART INSTEAD. HOW DO WE WORK WITH THE COMMUNITIES AND STAND UP A COOLING CENTER MA THAT I SEEM LIKE A POLICY. AS MISS POYNOR POINTS OUT A LOT, SOMETIMES COMMON SENSE MAKES SENSE AS WELL. WE ARE TRYING TO ADAPT THESE THINGS TO SEE WHAT WORKS. CITY OF TAMPA IS EXPECTED TO SEE MORE THAN 100 DAYS OF THE HEAT INDEX GOING OVER 100 DEGREES IN THE NEXT DECADE. IT IS REALLY GOING TO BE A PROBLEM AND WE GOT TO GET AHEAD OF THIS AS A CLIMATE CHANGE TH THREAT. SO WITH SUPPORT FROM THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCE, THE CITY OF TAMPA SERVED IN A -- IN A PARTNER ROLE, BUT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA AND THE RESILIENT CITY CATALYST HOSTING THOSE FIVE CITIES HELP US DEVELOP THIS TAMPA HEAT RESILIENCE PLAYBOOK. FOCUSED ON EAST TAMPA WHERE COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON MADE THE MOTION. ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THE POLICIES AND TOOLS EXPLORED FOR THE HEAT PLAYBOOK COULD BE USED AT EVERY CITY OF TAMPA NEIGHBORHOOD AND FRANKLY, IN EACH CITY THAT WANTS TO START LOOKING AT THIS. THIS WAS DEVELOPED FOR TAMPA SPECIFICALLY. I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FOUR OVERARCHING GOALS. A PREVIEW OF THAT TODAY. THE FOUR GOALS ARE UP HERE ON THE SCREEN. REDUCED HEAT -- HEAT RISK FOR TAM PAIN IAN. REDUCE AUTO HEAT, MAXIMIZE THE TREE CANOPY AND MINIMIZE IMPACT FOR THE HEAT. >> WE SEE TAMPANIANS. IT IS TAMPINOS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I LI LIKE TAMPANIAN. >> DEPENDS ON WHAT SIDE OF THE RIVER. I LIKE TO SAY PEOPLE FROM TAMPA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHOA, WHOA, WHOA! [LAUGHTER] THEY ARE ALL PEOPLE. BUT GOOD NOTE. THANK YOU. I MULLED OUT A COUPLE OF THE POLICIES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THESE CHAPTERS TO HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU ALL. NUMBER ONE, POLICY 1.3, EXPAND ACCESS TO THE WEATHERIZATION WEATHER EFFICIENCY PROGRAMS. I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY I TALKED OF THE WARMING CYCLE. WHAT WE SEE IS INCREASE TEMPERATURES OUTSIDE. YOU KNOW HUMANS CAN THEN GO INSIDE AND SEEK REPRIEVE FROM THAT. AND IN DOING SO, THEY ARE GOING INTO AN AIR-CONDITIONED SPACE. THAT AIR CONDITIONING IS RUNNING OFF ELECTRICITY. OFTEN THAT ELECTRICITY IS BEING FUELED BY FOSSIL FUELS WHICH IS INCREASING THE GREENHOUSE GAS EFFECT. WE SEE THIS ENDLESS CYCLE. TRANSITION TO RENEWABLE ENERGY WHEN IT MAKES SENSE. AND OUR ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAM. THANKFULLY THE CITY HAS OUR FIRST ENERGY MANAGER AND WORK ON LOOKING AT OUR OVER 2,000 TECO ACCOUNTS AND THE $25 MILLION THAT WE SPEND A YEAR ON TECO BILLS. I LIKE TO GIVE THE ANALOGY THAT WE HAVE A WATER CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT. WE SELL BAUER TO PEOPLE. WE MAKE 34MONEY DOING THAT AND X PEOPLE ON OUR WATER MANAGEMENT TEAM. NOBODY FOCUSING ON ENERGY AND WE BUY THAT FROM A THIRD-PARTY COMPANY. I'M EXCITED TO HAVE A ENERGY MANAGER TO GO INTO HANNA AVENUE AND GO INTO OUR COMMUNITY CENTERS, WORKING WITH THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT WITH EV CHARGING. HAD RENEWABLE ENERGY UNDER THE ACT. A HUGE POSITION THAT PAYS FOR ITSELF IN A MATTER OF MONTHS. THAT IS GREAT. THAT 123478 ONE. NUMBER TWO, INCREASING ACCESS TO COOLER SPACES. WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT MEANS. OPENING PARKS AND REC AS COOLING CENTER. WORKING WITH TAMPA HOPE AND OTHER UN SHELTERED GROUPS DURING THE HOT DAYS THAT WE ARE PROVIDING SPACES. EVEN AS A KIND OF BRIDGE BACK TO NUMBER ONE. LAST YEAR WE USED OUR ALERT TAMPA SYSTEM FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER TO ALERT FOLKS OF AN EXTREME HEAT DAY. WE DON'T WANT TO OVERUTILIZE THAT SYSTEM BUT THE TOOL TO REACH THOSE VULNERABLE POPULATION IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. MAXIMIZING THE BENEFIT OF THE TREE CANOPY. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT STANDING UNDER A TREE IS MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE THAN UNSHADED AREAS. ADAPTING OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT TO THE IMPACTS OF EXTREME HEAT. WE ARE STILL LEARNING OF THE COOL STREETS AND SIDEWALKS. THERE ARE DIFFERENT PAINTS, DIFFERENT MATERIALS. SOME OF THEM ARE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN OTHERS. SOME OF THEM GIMMICKY. WE WANT TO FOCUS ON PROVEN TECHNOLOGIES. AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT WASTING MONEY ON THINGS THAT DON'T WORK. BUT WE WANT TO EXPLORE THAT. THIS IS A PREVIEW OF WHAT THE HEAT PLAYBOOK WILL LOOK LIKE. I -- I SHOWED THIS SLIDE TO YOU ALL BEFORE, BUT THIS IS -- THIS IS WHERE WE KIND OF USE DATA TO DRIVE DECISION MAKING. EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE IT IS HOT AND NOT HOT. AND WE HAVE FUNDING TO GO IN AND DO SOME OF THIS VERY DETAILED RESEARCH AND LOOK AT SOCIAL VULNERABILITY IN ADDITION TO THE TREE CANOPY. WE ARE LOOKING AT PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS, AGE, FOLKS THAT DON'T DRIVE, THE ELDERLY, AND OVERLAYING THOSE IMPACTS ESPECIALLY IN EAST TAMPA CAN THE TREE CANOPY AND MAKE SURE IF THERE ARE CERTAIN PARTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND POPULATIONS THAT WE SHOULD BE TARGETING AND I AM REALLY EXCITED -- AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A MOCK RENDERING. WE ARE WORKING TO APPLY A MAJOR ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE GRANT FOCUSED ON EXTREME HEAT. PUBLIC SAFETY AND FOOD ACCESS TO AN EXTENT ALONG EAST TAMPA AND THE 22nd STREET CORRIDOR AND THIS WILL BE A MAJOR, I THINK, SIGNAL THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA IS TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY AND PROVIDING SOLUTIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN TAKE THIS TYPE OF EXAMPLE FOR FUNDING AND REPLICATE IT OVER THE CITY SUCCESSFULLY. THAT'S -- THAT IS THE CONCLUSION OF MY PRESENTATION. BRIAN KNOX WILL COME UP AND TALK ABOUT A SPECIFIC STUDY THAT THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT PARTICIPATED IN TO SHOW WITH ACTUAL DATA HOW -- HOW CITY FOREST ACTUALLY DO CONTRIBUTE TO COOLING. BUT I JUST WANT TO PAUSE THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PAUSE FOR A SECOND. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. T THIS. THIS IS GREAT AND I HOPE THAT SOME OF THIS IS ACTUALLY -- I HAVE WRITTEN A NOTE HERE. I HOPE SOME OF THIS MAKES INTO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DISCUSSION, BECAUSE BUILDING HOUSES TO FOCUS ON CLIMATE CHANGE. MY HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 2007. SOUTH-FACING WINDOWS ARE TEENY TINY. ALL OTHER WINDOWS IN MY HOUSE ARE COVERED BY A PORCH. I NEVER PAID $100 FOR AN ELECTRIC BILL. IT MAKES A LOT OF DIFFERENCE. STUFF LIKE THAT WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO IMPROVE. I AM CURIOUS ABOUT SOME OF THE GRANTS WE ARE GETTING A GRANT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO HELP WEATHERIZE PEOPLE'S HOMES OR ARE REDOING THAT OURSELVES. >> A GREAT QUESTION AND WHAT I HAVE WORKED ON IN FOUR YEARS IN MY ROLE. A STATE FUNDED PROGRAM BY TAMPA HILLSBOROUGH ACTION PLAN. THAT RELATIONSHIP NO LONGER EXISTS WITH THE STATE AND THE WEATHERIZATION PROGRAM WAS SHIFTED TO A ENTITY BASED IN ORL ORLANDO. I'M FRUSTRATED THERE IS NOT. STATE FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR WEATHER ZATION THAT GOES THROUGH THE NONPROFIT APPLICATION AGENCIES. THEY NEED TO DO BETTER OF GETTING INTO EAST TAMPA AND PROVIDING THESE RESOURCE S RESO OF MONEY AND MORE MAID POSSIBLE FOR WEATHERIZATION AND NOT MAKING IT INTO OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE ARE CONTINUING TO PUT PRESSURE ON OUR AGENCIES TO GET INTO OUR COMMUNITIES. THERE IS ALSO NOW A SOLAR FOR ALL PROGRAM THAT THE CITY -- THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA -- A GROUP -- NOT THE STATE OF FLORIDA, BUT A GROUP OF ENTITIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA WERE AED $156 MILLION TO DO LOW INCOME SOLAR AND ROOF REPLACEMENT. PARTIAL ROOF REPLACEMENT. SOME OF THAT MONEY IN THOSE PROGRAMS ARE STARTING TO MAKE THEIR WAY HERE. A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE. A LOT OF MONEY IN THE STATE FOR THESE TYPES OF PROGRAMS IN FACT. THE STATE OF FLORIDA IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET IS INCLUDING A $356 MILLION GRANT FOR -- FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY REBATES THAT PREVIOUSLY HAVE BEEN RECORDED BY THE PRESS THAT THE STATE HAVE DECLINED. IT THAT APP THAT THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF N IS PULLING THOSE FUNDS AND WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT T THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS WONDERFUL. HOME REHAB. WE DO ROOFS AND ACs. BUT TO SAY WHILE WE ARE HERE, HELPING YOU REPLACE YOUR WINDOWS WOULD BE -- >> THE OWNER-OCCUPIED PROGRAM IS DOING THAT. WE SUPPLEMENTED WITH A FEDERAL GRANT THAT IS LOOKING AT MOLD AND AS BUSINESS TOES. I PUSHED HARD TO DO EMERGENCY EFFICIENCY ON THIS. A. AND WE DO BLOW TESTS THAT DETECT WHERE THE LEAKS ARE. I SHOULD MENTION THAT FICCO HAS A FREE WEATHERIZATION AUDIT AND WILL COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND DO THE PROGRAMS. STATE WEATHERIZATION, UTILITY WEATHERIZATION AND OWNER-OCCUPIED. THERE ARE RESOURCES AND WE NEED TO BETTER GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT AND HOPING THAT THE PLAYBOOK WILL GIVE RESOURCES FOR THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHEN WE ARE IN SOMEONE'S HOUSE, SAYS THERE A FEDERAL GRANT TO HELP THIS PERSON REPLACE THE WINDOWS. NOT PART OF OUR THING BUT LET'S HELP YOU GET THERE. >> GLAD YOU SAID THAT. ANOTHER GRANT TO, GRANT PROGRAM CALLED THE MY SAFE FLORIDA HOME PROGRAM. GET THIS. LAST YEAR OPEN TO ANYONE. NOW INCOME ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS. THE STATE OF FLORIDA WILL PAY YOU $2 FOR EVERY $1 OF MITIGATION RELATING TO ENERGY MITIGATION AND HURRICANE PROOFING. HURRICANE STRAPS ON ORRISM PACT RESISTANT WINDOWS. LET'S SAY THE WINDOWS COST $$5,000. THE STATE OF FLORIDA WILL WRITE YOU A CHECK FOR $10,000. >>LYNN HURTAK: WOW ALREADY THAT IS GREAT. LET'S GET THE INFO. >>GWEN HENDERSON: AS EXCITED ABOUT TRASH? >> I GET EXCITED ABOUT TRASH TOO. >>LYNN HURTAK: ABSOLUTELY. AS WE ARE LOOKING TO EXPANDS OUR OWNER-OCCUPIED REHAB PROGRAM, THINGS CAN PERSIST IN A WAY THAT WE AREN'T FUNDING BUT LEVERAGE FEDERAL FUNDING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR. COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IN OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, WE -- WE DISCUSSED, OF COURSE, YOU HAVE THE TASK OF TRYING TO FIND PLACES TO PLANT TREES IN THE CITY. HOW DIFFICULT THAT IS. AND WE TALKED OF THE IDEA OF YOU -- YOU ALL WORKING WITH MOBILITY. HAS THERE BEEN ANY PROGRESS IN THAT FRONT? >> I CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT AND THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT TO FIND PLACES TO PLANT TREE. WE ARE TRYING TOO GET BETTER OF INCLUDING THOSE THINGS UP-FRONT IN THOSE PROJECTS AND THE WEST RIVER PROJECT IS PLANTING HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF TREES. SO THERE ARE -- THERE ARE SYNERGIES THAT HAPPEN THERE. YES, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU FOR TWHAUF DONE IN THE PAST AND WHAT YOU CONTINUE TO DO. WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, FIRST OF ALL, THE TREES. DECISION MAKING FROM THE COUNCIL WHEN WE APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE SOMETHING AND SO MANY TREES THAT HAVE TO BE REMOVED. AT THAT TIME, I THINK SOMEHOW, THE CITY OR WHOEVER DEVELOPED IT SHOULD HAVE A PLAN WHERE THE TREES ARE GOING TO EVERYBODY KNOW WHERE IS THEY ARE AT AND HOW MUCH TIME YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU PLAN THEM AND WHO CAN TAKE TAKE CARE OF THEM FOR THE NEXT FIVE TO SIX MONTHS. WE DON'T CHECK IN THE TREE LIVES OR DIES? I DON'T THINK WE DO. HOW DO WE TELL. NUMBER ONE. NEW CONSTRUCTION, TECO HAS A GREAT PROGRAM WHERE THEY PUT 13 THINGS IN YOUR HOUSE IN T THE ATTIC AND YOU PUT THE NEXT FIVE AND IT WORKS VERY WELL. NUMBER THREE THEN, ON NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHAT DO WE HAVE WITHOUT INCENTIVES OR FOR INCENTIVES TO MAKE THE BUILDINGS APPLICABLE TO THE FUTURE OF WHAT IS COMING. NEXT, WE ARE BEYOND THE 8-PAUL. IT AIN'T MOVING AND PLAYING POOL WITH AND WE ARE NOT HITTING IT. WE NEED SOMETHING THAT FIXES EXISTING HOUSES AND NEW CONSTRUCTION AT THE SAME TIME. BECAUSE THE NEW ONES ARE NOT HAVING IT. I SEE -- I HAVE FRIENDS OF MINE. I DON'T CARE IF THEY DON'T LIKE ME OR NOT AND COME HERE AS AN ENVIRONMENTALIST AND THEY TELL YOU WHAT THEY WANT BUT THEY THEMSELVES HAVEN'T DONE IT. THAT BOTHERS ME. LIKE HAVING A BALL TEAM WITHOUT A BALL. >> MAYBE I CAN WORK BACKWARDS. NUMBER THREE, YOU FUNDED LAST TIME IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET -- ON THE BOOKS SINCE 2008 -- -- A REBATE REFUND PROGRAM FOR COMMERCIAL OR MIXED USE, FAMILY THAT ACHIEVED THE ELITE SILVER RATING OR CERTIFICATION JUST LIKE -- JUST LIKE THE CITY HOLDS ITSELF TO. THERE IS A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET THAT YEAR. I AM -- I AM ACTIVELY REACHING OUT TO THOSE PERMITS THAT WERE APPROVED THAT INDICATED LEAD CERTIFICATION. NOT $250,000 WORTH OF REBATES THAT I CAN REFUND RIGHT NOW. THAT IS THE GAP BETWEEN -- BETWEEN FOLKS DOING REGULAR CONSTRUCTION ANDING TO LEAD. SO WE HAVE GOT TO GET THE WORD OUT THAT THE REBATE IS AVAILABLE AND THE LEAD CONSTRUCTION PAYS FOR ITSELF. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SOMETHING WE CAN TIE INTO SOMETHING ELSE THAT MAKES IT FEASIBLE. I AM NOT ASKING ANYBODY TO TAKE CONTROL OF IT AND PAY WITH THEIR OWN MONEY. BUT GOT TO BE A WAY THAT YOU SAY, IF YOU DO THIS, YOU GET SOMETHING HERE. AND EVEN IN BUILDING HOUSES, WE SAY WE WANT 10%. GET THE 10%. 20 BILLION OR WHATEVER IT IS. I AM JUST -- I AM TALKING. AND IF YOU HAVE -- IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF HOUSING THAT IS AFFORDABLE, THE CITY -- THEY WANTS YOU TO PAY SO MUCH BECAUSE OF THE 30-YEAR LOAN AND HOW TO PAY IT BACK. BUT MAYBE WE CAN CHANGE THAT WITHOUT PAYING MONEY AND GIVE THEM ANOTHER 20 OR 30 UNITS IN THAT DEVELOPMENT SO IT PAYS FOR THE COST. THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS AND IDEAS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DISCUSSED. >> I THINK THE ONE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT YOU ASKED ABOUT WAS CHECKING ON TREES. J.C. REPORTED IN OUR LAST DISCUSSION THAT THERE IS ROOM IN THE CODE TO ALLOW THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO GO BACK, UP TO A YEAR AFTER THOSE TREES WERE PLANTED, TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE STILL ALIVE. AGAIN, A QUESTION OF -- OF -- OF HOW WE KIND OF ADMINISTER THAT SPOT-CHECK AUDIT PROGRAM. I KNOW THAT THIS MORNING, SOME VERY VALID ISSUES AROUND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A LANDSCAPE PLANS AND FEASIBILITY OF WHETHER THE TREES BELONG THERE OR NOT. WE HAVE GOT SOME WORK TO DO ON THIS, BUT THE EXCITING THING IS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU. YES SIR? YOU HAVE THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION? >> YES, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD. >> ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. BRIAN KNOX, CITY PLANNING. THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING ME THE TIME TO SPEAK OF THE PROJECT WE DID BACK IN 2022. AND IT WAS THE COOLING CITIES CAMPAIGN. WE DID IT IN CONJUNCTION WITH FOREST AND CITIES AND NATURAL AREA CONSERVANCY IN NEW YORK CITY. SO WE WENT THROUGH THESE BULLETS EARLIER IN THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, BUT JUST TO RECAP, THERE HAS BEEN A RETURN OF RECORD HEAT IN THE UNITED STATES THAT HAS TYPICALLY BEEN TWO TO TEN DEGREES HOTTER THAN IN RURAL AREAS. AND SO EXTREME HEAT, ONCE AGAIN, IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF WEATHER-RELATED DEATHS IN THE UNITED STATES. BUT WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT BY PLANTING TREES AND EXPANDING GREEN SPACE ARE KNOWN TO COMBAT THAT, BUT THE MAGNITUDE OF THE BENEFITS HAVE NOT BEEN QUANTIFIED AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE DECIDED TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS STUDY. WE JOINED -- WE JOINED THE FOREST AND CITY NETWORK IN 2018. AND NOW THERE ARE ABOUT 11 -- 12 CITIES INCLUDING OURSELVES, EACH ONE OF US PARTICIPATED IN THIS STUDY. AND FROM THERE, WE FOCUSED ON THREE AREAS IN THE TAMPA HILLSBOROUGH AREA. WE DID THIS STUD IN CONJUNCTION HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. THE THREE AREAS WERE ROCKY CREEK PARK, TOWN AND COUNTRY, AND IN SOUTH TAMPA, MacDILL 48. SO WHAT WE DID WAS PLACE THREE SENSORS ON EACH ONE OF THOSE PARKS AND A TOTAL OF NINE SENSORS WERE PLACED. THREE CATEGORIES THAT WE PLACED THESE SENSORS IN. ONE WAS A LANDSCAPED AREA. THE OTHER WAS ARRESTED AREA AND THE THIRD ONE ARRESTED AREA AS WELL AND A DEGRADED FORESTED AREA. WHAT THAT MEANS MAYBE DEFICIENT OF THREE CRITERIA THAT YOU TYPICALLY HAVE WITH ARRESTED AREA AND MAY HAVE INNOVATIVE SPECIES AND GAPS AND MAY BE OTHER ISSUES SURROUNDING IT THAT WILL LEND IT TO BE DEGRADED. AND SO, TYING THIS INTO OUR ECOLOGICAL ANALYSIS WE COMPLETED IN 2021, THERE WAS A -- THAT WE LOOKED AT MEETING LAND SURFACE TEMPERATURE. AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT TREE CANOPY PERCENTAGE AND WE DISCOVERED THAT, OF COURSE, AN INVERSE RELATIONSHIP WITH TREE CANOPY IN RELATION WITH LAND SURFACE TEMPERATURE AND TWO AREAS WHERE IT SPELLS OUT WHERE THE ISSUES ARISE. ONE IS NEW TAMPA WHERE WE HAVE PLENTY OF GREEN SPACE. WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF TREES AND ALSO THE TEMPERATURES ARE LOWER IN THAT AREA IN COMPARISON TO THE WEST PART OF TAMPA. LOOKING AT WEST SHORE AND THE AIRPORT AREA. VERY HOT BECAUSE INTO THE A LOT OF TREES. AND SO WE ALSO COMPLETED AN EQUITY ANALYSIS IN OUR -- IN OUR ECOLOGICAL ANALYSIS AND WHAT WE LEARNED IS -- WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL METRICS. WE LOOKED AT NINE OR TEN OF THEM. BUT I PULLED OUT A FEW OF THEM TO SORT OF DESCRIBE WHAT URBAN HEAT AND CORRELATIONS ARE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. WHAT WE LEARNED THAT BOTH NEIGHBORS ARE SUBJECT TO LOWER TEMPERATURES. LOWER SUMMERTIME TEMPERATURES. AND SOME OF OUR -- SOME OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT -- THAT MEET THE DEFINITION OF IN POVERTY EXPERIENCE AN INCREASE IN SUMMERTIME TEMPERATURES. MEANWHILE, RENTERS OR AREAS WITH HIGH CONCENTRATION OF RENTERS, THEY HAVE -- THEY HAVE LESS TREE CANOPY AND ARE LIKELY TO HAVE EXTREME HEAD EVENTS. SO THE LAST SLIDES TALKS ABOUT HISPANIC POPULATION. WE FUNDS A CORRELATION THOSE WHO IDENTIFY AS HISPANIC HAVE LESS TREE CANOPY THAN WITH YOUR HISPANIC RESIDENTS. TYING THIS BACK INTO THE STUDY, WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE LOWEST AIR TEMPERATURES AND ACROSS THE BOARD, FORESTED AREAS HAVE THE LOWEST LANDS SURFACE TEMPERATURES. BUT ALSO, WE NOTICED THAT THERE WAS OCCASIONALLY, LIKE, SOME BLIPS WHERE WE HAD REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK FROM OUR LANDSCAPED AREA. SO IT AFFORDED US TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON SOME OF OUR LANDSCAPE AREAS BECAUSE THAT CAN KIND OF CREATE A COOLING EFFECT IN AREAS WHERE THERE AREN'T ANY TREES AT ALL. SO CREATING THOSE COOL CORRIDOR ALSO BE REALLY IMPORTANT. AND HOPEFULLY AT THE END OF THIS SLIDE -- THE END OF THIS PRESENTATION, I CAN TIE THE LANDSCAPED AREA WITH THE FORESTED AREAS ALL TOGETHER TO SUMMARIZE, WHAT OUR ACTIONS ARE. AND SO -- I DID A BRIEF ANALYSIS OF OTHER CITIES IN THE NETWORK. THIS IS THE CLOSEST I CAN GET TO OUR TEMPERATURES WITH -- WITH MIAMI, HOUSTON AND AUSTIN. AND SO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR TEMPERATURES, LIKE OUR AVERAGE SUMMERTIME TEMPERATURES OF 90 DEGREES, I ALSO PICK THE AFTERNOON BECAUSE IT IS AN AREA WHERE YOU ENCOUNTER THE HIGHEST EXTREMES OF HEAT. AND IN LOOKING AT THAT THE, WE SAW SIGNIFICANT DROPS IN THE FORESTED AIR GLASS TEMPERATURES. AND THAT WAS -- THAT WAS A VERY, VERY EXCELLENT FIND. ONE OF THE AREAS -- WE NOTICE THERE WAS A SIX TO EIGHT-DEGREE TEMPERATURE CHANGE. AND ONE AREA WE FOUND IT EVEN LOWER THAN THAT AND WE COULDN'T REALLY CONCLUDE WHY THAT WAS HAPPENING SO WE DIDN'T PUT IT IN AS PART OF THE STUDY. THE TAKE-HOME IS THE FORESTED AREA ARE DOING THEIR JOB IF THEY ARE DEGRADED FOREST OR HEALTHY FOREST. AND IT IS GOING TO BE VERY MORN THAT WE START TO SAVE THOSE POCKETS OF AREAS IN TAMPA THAT HAVE HEAVILY FORESTED AIRBNB AREAS. STARTING TO LOOK AT THE QUALITY OF THOSE FORESTS WILL BE VERY IMPORTANT IN OUR ANALYSIS WHEN WE ARE DOING REVIEWS. WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT SITES PLANS. WHEN WE ARE IN REZONINGS AND OTHER PROCESSES THAT WOULD INVOLVE LIKE REVIEWS. SO THE TAKEAWAYS ARE THE NATURAL AREAS ARE THE COOLEST GREEN SPACES IN THE CITY. WE EXPERIENCE LOWER SURFACE TEMPERATURES, LOWER AVERAGE AIR TEMPERATURE, THE MAX AIR TEMPERATURES ARE LOWER. BUT WE ALSO DO BELIEVE THAT A WELL DESIGNED LANDSCAPE STREETSCAPE ASKING HAVE A COOLING EFFECT DURING THE HEAT OF THE DAY. AND SO ESPECIALLY IN AREAS WHERE THERE ARE TRANSITIONS FROM FORESTED AREAS TO ANOTHER FORESTED AREA. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TWO FORESTED AREAS AND THERE IS A GAP -- I THINK LANDSCAPE TREES CAN REALLY, REALLY PLAY A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN BOOSTING THE COOLING EFFECT OF THOSE FORESTED AREAS. AND SO OUR NEXT STEPS. WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE THE -- THE COOLING -- THE COOLING CITY STUDIES WITH FOREST AND CITY. WE WILL LOOK AT WHAT FOREST ATTRIBUTES CONTRIBUTE TO THE MOST COOLING AND LOOK AT THE RELATIONSHIP OF SURFACE TEMPERATURE, GREEN SPACE AND SOCIOECONOMIC FACTORS THAT COME WITH THAT. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YOU ARE WELCOME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUBLIC COMMENT? COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA? GO AHEAD, SIR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> STEVE MICHELINI. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT MAY REQUIRE SOME CODE CHANGES. FOR EXAMPLE, ENCOURAGING GREEN WALLS -- THAT'S NOT ME. ROOFTOP GARDENS. MINI PARKS. RELAX AATION OF THE TREE PLANTING PROGRAM. YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, WE AUTHORIZED TREES TO BE A AVAILABLE TO RESIDENTS WHO WANTED A TREE. A $100 FEE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SITE PLAN. TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT YOU ARE GOING TO MAINTAIN THE TREE. JUST GIVE THE TREES AWAY. THIS MAKES -- YOU KNOW, YOU MADE THE PROCESS COMPLICATED. AND SO WE HAVE THE TREES IN THE INTO THE PUBLIC WHERE PEOPLE WANT THEM. POTENTIALLY, YOU USE CRA FUNDS FOR CREATING THESE MINI PARKS. AND YOU HAVE MONEY IN THE ACCOUNT. PREVIOUSLY, THERE WAS OVER $3 MILLION IN THE TREE TRUST FUND THAT BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS PAID INTO THE TREE TRUST FUND THAT NO ONE COULD ACCOUNT FOR. THEY COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHERE THE MONEY WENT. IT DIDN'T GO FOR TREES. SO ANYWAY, I AM JUST SAYING THAT FREQUENTLY, THE BUILDERS GET BLAMED FOR NOT PLANTING TREES OR NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THE GREEN SPACE THAT IS REQUIRED AND NEEDED. AND IT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THE MONEY GOES INTO THE ACCOUNT. I SPOKE WITH ONE OF OUR ARBORISTS YESTERDAY, AND HE TOLD ME HE IS NOT AWARE OF A SINGLE APPLICATION THAT HAS BEEN PROCESSED FOR THE FREE PLANTING PROGRAM THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FREE. BECAUSE OF THE -- ALL OF THE COMPLICATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE APPLICATION. LASTLY, I WILL THROW THIS OUT. I WILL BE HAPPY TO GO BACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE -- THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION TO HELP WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY TO CREATE AN ARBOR DAY. WHERE THE TREE ALSO BE GIVEN AWAY. WHERE, YOU KNOW, SIMPLY PARTNERING UP AND GET THE TREES OUT. CREATE THE DAY. MAKE IT HAPPEN. AND GET THE TREES OUT. SOB ANYWAY. IT IS JUST -- IT HAS BECOME TOO COMPLICATED TO GIVE AWAY TREES AND SIMPLY WHEN YOU ADD THE EPC ON THE MALL THE OTHER DAY. I THINK THEY HAD LIKE 100 TREES. THEY WERE GONE WITHIN 20 TO 30 MINUTES. IF THEY DIE, THEY DIE. THEY CAN BE REPLACED. LET THEM GET OUT AND DON'T SIT IN THE TREE BANK FOREVER. ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY SUGGESTIONS FOR YOU AND MY COMMITMENT TO GO AND HELP RAISE IN THE BUILDING COMMUNITY A. I CO-SPONSORSHIP WITH THE CITY TO CREATE AN ARBOR DAY. THANKS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT. I WOULD LIKE A LETTER OF COMMENDATION FOR AGREEING WITH MICHELINI TODAY. [LAUGHTER] THE -- THE -- THE BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS PAY ALL THIS MONEY INTO THE TREE FUND. AND THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO IT. AND SO DO I. WHAT HAPPENS TO IT? THERE SHOULD BE A SEMI ANNUAL ACCOUNTING. HOW MUCH MONEY WENT IN. AND EXACTLY HOW THE MONEY WAS SPENT. WHY IT WASN'T SPENT. WE ARE 100% IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. IT IS A BIG PROBLEM. ALSO, I AM THRILLED THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO START EXERCISING ITS OPTION TO FINE THE TREE CUTTERS. HAVE YOU EVER GONE TO BE GIVE A CHILD A BATH AND WENT TO FILL UP THE BATHTUB. THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS CLOSE THE DRAIN. IF YOU LEAVE THAT DRAIN OPEN, WHAT HAPPENS? NOTHING HAPPENS AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE HERE. 30,000 TREES PLANTED IN -- BY 2030. THE TREE GIVEAWAY, THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM. THE TREE FUND IS MEANINGLESS IF WE DON'T PUT THE STOPPER IN THE BATHTUB. ALL THESE TREES THAT WE ARE LOSING, LOST 3300 ACRES OF TREES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA IN A TEN-YEAR PERIOD OF TIME FROM 2011 TO 2021. NOW 2024 AND MORE THAN THAT. WE CAN NOT PLANT OUR WAY OUT OF THIS PROBLEM. GREEN SPACE. THERE ARE WAYS TO -- TO -- FOR THE -- FOR THE INTEREST OF INTERESTING AND COOLING AND HEALTH AND GREEN SPACE AND AIR QUALITY AND CLIMATE MITIGATION TO DOVETAIL WITH THE HOUSING CRISIS. MORE UNITS. IT DOES NOT HAVE THE TO MEAN MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE. FOR INSTANCE, IF -- AND I AM JUST THROWING SOME IDEAS OUT THERE. IF -- LET'S SAY THE SETBACKS WERE CHANGED ON BUILDING. YOU CAN BUILD THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS, AND THEY ARE MORE AFFORDABLE, BUT NOW I HAVE PLACED -- A ROOM FOR A TREE AND I HAVE A PLACE FOR LANDS SCAPING. I WAS IN D.C. YESTERDAY. MAJOR CITY BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE BUILDINGS. THERE IS AS SMALL BUFFER OF GREEN SPACE. BEAUTIFUL CITY TREES PROVIDING ALL THIS SHADE. AND IT MADE THE CITY SO WONDERFUL AND PROVIDED SO MANY BENEFITS. WE CAN DO THAT HERE. THE TREE CUTTER FINES. WE HAVE GOT TO ACTUALLY DO IT. AND WE NEED TO HIT THEM HARD. THE STATE SAYS $15,000. FINE THEM $15,000. IF THEY THINK THAT IS TOO MUCH, THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO APPEAL TO THE TREE MAGISTRATE. AND IF THE TREE MAGISTRATE AGREES IT IS TOO MUCH, THEY CAN LOWER IT. HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN BEFORE THEY STOP ILLEGALLY CUTTING TREES. THEY WILL SAY TO THE HOMEOWNER. DO OFF TREE PERMIT? YOU DON'T, I WILL GET YOU ONE. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT. IT IS LIKE A KID IN A CANDY AISLE. HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU SAY NO BEFORE YOU LEARN NOT TO ASK ANYMORE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM, NEXT SPEAKER. YES, MA'AM. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> I AM ALISON DATE. I'M HERE BECAUSE I LOVE THE TREES. AND I -- I SPEND A LOT OF TIME OUTSIDE. AND IT REALLY DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU ARE WALKING DOWN THAT STREET AND THERE IS A TREE THERE TO GIVE YOU SOME SHADE. AND I -- AND I -- I THINK THAT THE IDEA THAT WE ARE ENTERING A TIME IN OUR LIVES WHERE THERE IS MORE HEAT THAN THERE IS NOW IS REALLY SORT OF SCARY. SO LET'S DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SAVE THE TREE. ESPECIALLY THE LARGE GRAND TREES THAT WE HAVE. AND THERE ARE STILL COMING DOWN. AND THERE IS A LOT -- THERE IS ALSO A LOT OF PLACES WHERE WE COULD BE PLANTING TREES THAT -- THAT THEY ARE NOT BEING PLANTED. I GO UP AND DOWN BAYSHORE THREE TIMES A WEEK ON A MY BIKE. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF SPACE THERE IS THAT NEW TREES COULD BE BEING PLANTED BECAUSE THE OLD ONES ARE GOING TO BE TOO BIG AND THEY ARE GOING TO DIE EVENTUALLY OR THEY ARE RUNNING INTO THE STREET OR THEY CAN GET HIT OR WHATEVER. WE NEED TO FILL IN THOSE SPACES AND TO IT BE PUTTING IN PLACE WHERE IS THERE AREN'T ANY TREES. AND I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING. I MEAN, THERE IS -- I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF POTENTIAL PLANTING AREAS AS THIS SHOWS. AND THAT WHEN THEY GAVE THEIR PRESENTATION ON THE URBAN TREE ANALYSIS, THAT IS WHAT THE PEOPLE SAID. AND THIS IS GOING FROM THEIR BOOK THAT, YES, THERE ARE A LOT OF POTENTIAL PLACES TO PLANT. ONE OF THE REASONS THEY ARE NOT BEING PLANTED, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RESOURCES. IN OTHER WORDS, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO GO OUT THERE TO HELP PLANT THEM AND THEY HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED. YOU CAN'T JUST PUT IT OUT THERE AND IT IS GOING TO SURVIVE. THOSE ARE COMPLICATIONS. SO JUST PLANTING A BUNCH OF TREES AND NOT GIVING THEM THE RIGHT ATTENTION OR PLANTING THEM WHERE THEY ARE IN A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN THRIVE DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. ANOTHER THING THAT HAS COME UNRECENTLY IS THAT WE HAVE -- WE NOW HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY TO REPORT TREES GETTING CUT DOWN. BUT PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. WHEN THEY ARE REPORTING SOMETHING, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THEIR NEIGHBOR NEXT DO ARE TO THEM KNOW THAT THEY ARE REPORT BEING THIS OR WHOEVER IS EVER GOING TO BE THERE. SO IN OUR LITTLE ORGANIZATION, THEY KEEP SAYING, WELL, YOU REPORT IT FOR US. BUT WHY ISN'T THE CITY RESPONSIBLE FOR GOING TO LOOK TO SEE, IS IT LEGAL? THEY SHOULD KNOW THAT RIGHT AWAY. WHY DO THE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE NEED TO BE IDENTIFIED? BECAUSE I THINK IT MAKES IT A VERY -- VERY TRICKY SITUATION. EVEN DANGEROUS SITUATION. SO I -- I WOULD LIKE SOMEHOW MAYBE THE TREES COULD BE IDENTIFIED THAT ARE -- THAT ARE -- ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CUT DOWN. THAT THEY ARE PERMITTED. THAT THERE COULD BE A SIGN OUT IN FRONT OF THEM. THIS IS PERMITSED TO CUT DOWN -- TO BE CUT DOWN AND THE OPPOSITE. THIS TREE CANNOT BE CUT DOWN MAYBE SOME SIGNS THAT ARE UP FOR THE VARIANCE REVIEW, VARIANCE BOARD THAT HAVE SIGNS PUT OUT TO IDENTIFY THEM TO THE PUBLIC. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, MA'AM. >> PAGE 69 OF THE TREE REPORT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, STEPHANIE POYNOR. BOB WHITMER MADE BEAUTIFUL SIGNS. THEY ARE VERY FUNNY. THE CITY SHOULD ADOPT THEM. IF YOU BUY A CAR, EVEN IF YOU PAY CASH FOR A CAR, YOU HAVE TO PUT GAS THAT IT, DO OIL AND MAINTENANCE ON IT. I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE TREE FUNDS WHICH HAVE SUBSTANTIAL. I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THEM SINCE LAST SEPTEMBER. AND I JUST TRIED TO LOOK THEM UP IN THE BUDGET AND I COULDN'T FIND THE PAGES ON THERE THAT IGNORES THE CRAP OUT OF ME, BUT ANYWAY, YOU GOT ALL THIS MONEY FROM THE TREE FUND WE ARE GETTING FROM DEVELOPERS WHERE THEY CAN'T PLANT WHERE THEY ARE AT. SO I WOULD A THAT TREE FUNDS MONEY SHOULD ALSO BE AT LEAST IN SOME PART SUPPORTING THE TREES. LET'S GET A WATER TRUCK. A GUY WHO WATERS -- WHO DRIVES THE WATER TRUCK AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE TREES GET WATERED. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MR. REMER, THE 100 X 100 LOT YOU NEED TO PLANT A GRAND TREE BLOWS MY MIND. BEC BECAUSE. WHERE ARE THE TREE POLICE IF HE PLANTS IT IN A SMALLER PLACE. I WANT THAT TREE POLICE TO SHOW THEM LIKE I SHOWED ALL OF YOU AT ONE POINT OR THE OTHER WHERE THEY PLANT AND OAK -- A LAUREL OAK ON A PIECE OF GROUND THAT WAS NO MORE THAN 3 FOOT X FOOT. I WANT THE TREE POLICE TO COME TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND TELL US HOW THAT IS A GOOD IDEA. MR. REMER CAN'T FIND ENOUGH SPACE TO PLANT THE TREES WE HAVE. GASTON PARK. GOOD EXAMPLE. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE PARKING LOT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF GANDY, THEY ALSO PLANTED BRAND-NEW TREES IN A 3-FOOT X -FOOT SPACE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND. WHERE ARE THE TREE POLICE. WHO WILL CHECK WITH HIM ON THE 100 X 100 AREA VERSUS THAT. I WANT TO POINT OUT, YOU MUST COMMUNICATE TO EDUCATE. I LEARNED SOME NEW THINGS TODAY BECAUSE THE FIRST TIME I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY THEM OUT LOUD. YOU ARE NOT COMMUNICATING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE IN THE CITY. WE ARE HERE TO COMMUNICATE AND EVERYBODY HERE LOVES A TREE. I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A FRICKEN TREE FOR THE GANDY CIVIC ASSOCIATION. WHY CAN'T I HAVE A TREE? WE AGREED TO WATER IT AND WE SAID WE WOULD TAKE TREES. WE WERE TOLD FOR OUR SU-1 TO PUT TREE BUFFERS IN AND NOBODY WOULD GIVE US A TREE. YET WE STILL DON'T HAVE A TREE. I ASKED FOR IT HALF A DOZEN TIMES. JUST SAYING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GIVE HER A TREE. I WANT A TREE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO GIVE HER A TREE. >> I AM NOT EVEN A TREE HUGGER. THOSE PEOPLE BACK THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STEVE, WILL YOU GIVE HER A TREE. >> I WILL WORK ON GETTING HER A TREE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I -- ONE OF THE THINGS -- I AM GOING TO PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE PRESENTATION OF WHAT I SAW IN CINCINNATI AND WHAT I DID AT THE CONGRESS OF URBANISM. I DID GO TO A RESTORATIVE URBAN FORESTRY SESSION THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I RECOMMEND FOLKS TO LOOK AT IS RE RELEAF CEDAR RAPIDS. R-E-LE-A-F, RELEAF. TORNADO CAME THROUGH AND TOOK OUT THE TREE CANOPY AND HOW TO GO FORWARD AND GET THE TREE CANOPY BACK. IT WAS INTERESTING WITH THE PRINCIPLES AND PLANS. ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING WAS THE AVAILABLE OF TREES. APPARENTLY HARD TO GET TREES AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING. I THOUGHT TREES WERE PRETTY EASY OOZY EASY. WE HAD OUR OWN LITTLE NURSERY GROWING OAK TREES AND THEY ARE PRETTY SMALL. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY LOVED AND WE HAVE NOT DONE VERY MUCH OF, BUT T-TAG HAS OFFERED MANY TIMES IS A TREE PROPRIETORSHIP WHERE YOUNG TREES ARE CARED FOR BY VOLUNTEERS. LIKE PEOPLE IN A NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THEN THEY ARE TRANSFERRED TO TATE I AFTER THEY ARE ESTABLISHED. THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF REALLY GREAT IDEAS IN THIS. AND I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO SHARING THAT WITH YOU ALL, BUT I COULDN'T JUST BELIEF SOME OF THE REALLY PHENOMENAL IDEAS THAT -- THAT WERE OUT THERE. AND I HIGHLY RECOMMEND PEOPLE LOOK UP THE RELIEF CEDAR RAPIDS OF WHAT THEY AE DOING AND HOW THEY CAME ABOUT DOING THAT AND SOMETHING WE CAN USE IN OUR CITY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SOMETHING ELSE, WE CAN WITHHOLD THE NEW BUSINESS UNTIL THIS EVENING. >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I HAVE THREE MINUTES ON SOMETHING REALLY FAST. JUST PRETEND I AM PUBLIC COMMENT. I DID WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING BROUGHT IN PUBLIC COMMENT THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT FOR US GOING HERE ON OUT WITH THE RACIAL RECONSIDERATION COMMITTEE. IT IS IMPORTANT TO ESTABLISH THE HISTORY ON WHAT WE HAVE DONE THE HISTORY ON THIS. BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS STAYS ON TRACK. AND MY OFFICE IS PUTTING A TON OF WORK. I WAS ONE THAT ORIGINALLY MADE THE MOTION. BRANDON, MY AIDE. MARTY SHELBY PUT A TON OF WORK ON THAT. I WANTED TO BRIEFLY IN ONE MINUTE TO GO OVER THE HISTORY OF THIS WHAT HAS BEEN DONE AND AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND VERY CRITICAL. SEVERAL MONTHS WE WERE LOBBIED FEBRUARY 22, 2024. I MADE THE MOTION WHERE I STATED THE SAME -- SUBSTANTIALLY THE SAME RESOLUTIONS THERE TODAY. THREE AND A HALF MONTHS AGO. TALK OF COMMUNITY INPUT. I WOULDN'T MAKE A MOTION LIKE THAT WITHOUT SPEAKING WITH THE COMMUNITY. I SPOKE TO THE NAACP, TOBA. I WENT TO WFLA AND SPOKE TO A CROWD OF 60 PEOPLE AND STATE REPRESENTS DIFFICULT DRISCOL, LEWIS AND OTHERS. FLORIDA RISING, MR. HITE. THISWMNF. MANY OTHER ADVICE CAME BACK ON APRIL 4. I DID A DETAILED MEMO THAT CAME TO CITY COUNCIL DETAILING WHAT WOULD BE BE IN THAT RESOLUTION WHICH WAS SUBSTANTIALLY IN THAT RESOLUTION AND CAME BACK AND APRIL 18 OF 2024 TO DISCUSS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AS TO THEIR INVOLVEMENT. WE FUNDS OUT THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WILL MAKE NO APPOINTMENT. THAT GAVE RISE TO FURTHER ENGAGEMENT IN MY PART AND I SPOKE WITH TAMPA HISTORY CENTER, ABBE BROWN MINISTRIES, FLORIDA RISING FOR SEATS ON THAT. IT CAME BACK TO US MAY 16 THUNDERSHOWER 2024. AGAIN, WHAT WE PASSED THEN IS THE SAME THING AS IT IS RIGHTS NOW. THE COMMUNITY WAS -- TO SAY IT WAS CONSULTED IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT, RIGHT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH REGARDS TO WHAT WE ALL UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED BECAUSE A REALLY, REALLY GOOD THING AND IMPORTANT WORK. IF WE SEE IT THROUGH AND KEEP IT ON TRACK, I THINK IT WILL MAKE A GREAT CHANGE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA. THAT IS ALL, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ARE RIGHT BECAUS EVENTUALLY 568 BACK IN 2020. THE RESOLUTION CHANGES NUMBERS BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE APPOINTMENT. YOU SUPPORTED WHAT THE RESOLUTION SAYS. IT -- THE PROCEDURE. IT -- EVERYTHING IS BEING DONE. SOB -- >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE NUMBER HAS TO CHANGE. >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, FOR THE RECORD, I WAS DEFENDING -- I WAS DEFENDING EVERYBODY UP HERE BECAUSE WE ALL SUPPORTED IN 7-0. NO DISSENT. AND EVERYBODY HAS BEEN A VERY ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORTER OF IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT POLITICS ARE POLITICS. THINGS HAPPEN. THAT IS FINE. WHEN YOU PUT MAKE A MOTION LIKE THIS, YOU WILL PUT YOURSELF OUT THERE. IF YOU CAN'T STANDED HEAT, STATE OUT THE KITCHEN. I THINK WE NEED TO PROTECT THE RECORD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: KNOWS RECEIVE AND FILE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. FAVOR. WITHER ADJOURNED. WE ARE BACK AT 5:01 P.M. AND TAKE ALL THE NEW BUSINESS THEN. [GAVEL SOUNDING]