. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THIS JUNE 20TH MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADVISES THE CITY COUNCIL ON DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, LONG RANGE PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES EACH PLANNING COMMISSIONER HAS BEEN APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL TO SERVE A THREE YEAR TERM OR A MAXIMUM OF TWO TERMS ON SOME ITEMS THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS FINAL DECISION MAKING. ON OTHER ITEMS WE ACT AS AN ADVISORY COMMISSION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THEY WILL MAKE THE FINAL DECISION. WE HAVE SIX COMSSIONERS PRESENT HERE SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM THIS EVENING AND AS WE GET STARTED ASK EVERYONE IN THE CHAMBERS TO PLEASE RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC WHICH ASSISTANCE ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL . AND SOME OF OUR ITEMS THIS EVENING THEY ARE STUDY ITEMS WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE STUDYING AN ITEM WITHOUT A PUBLIC HEARING. HOWEVER, ITEM NUMBER ONE THE CEILING IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND THE PUBLIC IS ENCOURAGED TO TESTIFY HERE AT CITY HALL IF THEY SO CHOOSE. SO WE WILL GET STARTED WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE WHICH IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN APPLICATION FOR RECREATION AND ENTERTAINMENT. AND MS. HERSCHBACH, YOU HAVE A STAFF REPORT. YES. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I HAVE A PRETTY QUICK PRESENTATION HERE FOR YOU SO YES ITEM ONE IS FOR INDOOR RECREATION ENTERTAINMENT FOUR SEE YOU P 4:00 ZONE ARCADE THE PROPOSED IS 7700 WEST OLD CHALK AP ROAD WHICH COUNTRYSIDE CENTER TO THE SOUTH YOU HAVE WEST OR CHICKPEA ROAD AND THEN TO THE EAST YOU HAVE BLOOMINGTON FERRY ROAD. THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING A 2186 SQUARE FOOT ARCADE AND. IT WILL BE TOWARDS THE NORTH OF THE BUILDING IT'S UNITS 193 200 THE PROPOSED HOURS ARE MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY 11 A.M. TO 8 P.M. AND FRIDAY THROUGH SATURDAY 10 A.M. THROUGH 8 P.M.. HERE YOU CAN SEE THE FLOOR PLAN SO THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF ARCADE GAMES VIRTUAL REALITY GAMES CALL GAMES AND THEY ARE ALSO PROPOSING TO HAVE LIKE A BIRTHDAY PARTY ROOM AND THEY WOULD HAVE FOOD POTENTIALLY DELIVERED FROM SURROUNDING RESTAURANTS SO PARKING IS BASED ON OUR RETAIL SALES SERVICES REQUIREMENTS OF ONE SPACE PER 180 SQUARE FEET, THE SHOPPING CENTER HAS 179 SPACES TOTAL WHERE 212 ARE REQUIRED RECENTLY THE FOR PEG ATE MY PIZZA CAME BEFORE YOU ALL AND WAS APPROVED ON MONDAY AT CITY COUNCIL WHICH IS ALSO IN THE SHOPPING CENTER AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDING PROOF OF PARKING FOR 30 SPOTS AND DUE TO THE DIVERSITY OF HOURS BETWEEN ALL THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES STAFF IS NOT WORRIED PARKING AND ALSO WITH THE PYGMY PIZZA A PROOF OF PARKING OTHER THAN THAT THE PARKING LOT LIGHTING GONE IS IN COMPLIANCE. THERE'S A CONDITION TO HAVE TRASH AND RECYCLING INSIDE SIDEWALK NETWORKS AND BIKE RACKS ALREADY EXIST SO LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. THE MOTION IS ON THE SCREEN AND THEN THE APPLICANTS ARE ALSO HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM. THANK YOU MRS. BECK. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEM NOT WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK ON SITE NOT NECESSARY. OKAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WITH THAT THEN I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY HERE IN THE CHAMBERS TO TESTIFY. MR. MCCRACKEN IS THERE ANYBODY ? JURY CAPTAIN NOBODY ONLINE FOR THIS ITEM VERY WELL. I'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO MOVED SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER HOLTZMAN THANK YOU CHAIR. IHINK THIS APPLICATION IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. IT'S EXCITING TO SEE THIS IS THIS COMMUNITY AMENITY AND THE STRIP MALL BEING REVITALIZED. I THINK THIS IS GREAT ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE KNOW WE'VE GOT YOUNG FAMILIES HERE THAT WILL BE ENJOYING THIS THIS GROUP IS THIS SO AND IT'S A LOCAL BUSINESS SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE IT COME TO OUR CITY AND WE'LL BE SUPPORTING OTHER COMMENTS I WOULD AGREE THIS SEEMS TO BE TURNING INTO THE HOTTEST CORNER OF BLOOMINGTON SO EXCITED TO SEE A NEW BUSINESS COMING IN AND WE WELCOME YOU AND HOPE FOR YOUR SUCCESS. THANK YOU MUCH. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENTS I'LL LOOK FOR A MOTION. COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THANK YOU, CHAIR IN CASE P.L. 2024-76 HAVING BEEN ABLE TO MAKE REQUIRED FINDINGS I MOVE TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN INDOOR RECREATION AND ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY AT 7700 WEST OLD CHUCK B ROAD UNITS 190 AND 200 SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND CODE REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSE AND THE MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO . THIS IS A FINAL DECISION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNLESS AN APPEAL IS RECEIVED THE CITY COUNCIL BY 430 ON JUNE 25TH. THANK VERY MUCH YOU. THANK YOU MR.. WE WILL MOVE NOW TO ITEM NUMBER TWO WHICH IS A STUDY ITEM FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE RIVERVIEW CORRIDOR TRANSIT PROJECT AND IT'S AN UPDATE FROM RAMSEY COUNTY KEVIN ROGGE AND BUCK IS HERE REMOTELY AND HE HAS A PRESENTATION FOR US THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CHAIR I'M SHARING MY SCREEN I HOPE YOU CAN ALL SEE YES WE CAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU AGAIN. MY NAME IS KEVIN ROCKETBOOK. I'M A SENIOR TRANSPORTATION PLANNER WITH RAMSEY COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS. I LEAD THE WORK ON PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND STATIONARY PLANNING FOR THE RIVERVIEW CORRIDOR MODERN STREETCAR AND I'M VERY PLEASED TO BE HERE TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE PROJECT. I HAVE NOT BEEN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE I PRESENTED TO THE PORT IN OUR PREVIOUS PHASES AND PRESENTED TO THEM ON TUESDAY. SO FROM SCRATCH A BIT HERE WHAT IS THE RIVER VIEW MODERN SPEAKER PROJECT? WELL IT'S A 12 MILE PLANNED TRANSPORTATION CONNECTION THAT WOULD CONNECT NEIGHBORHOODS IN SAINT PAUL DEVELOPED AREAS HERE IN SOUTH LOOP IN BLOOMINGTON. IT WOULD CONNECT DOWNTOWN SAINT PAUL WITH THE AIRPORT AND WITH THE MALL OF AMERICA. SO IT'S A CONNECTION THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY CREATE A TRANSIT TRIANGLE WITH THE BLUE LINE AND GREEN LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM. SO WE HAVE IN SAINT PAUL MINNEAPOLIS THIS IS A MAP SHOWING WHAT WE CALL THE LOCALLY PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE. NOW THIS WAS SELECTED BY OUR POLICY ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHICH INCLUDES MAYOR BOSSI. IT INCLUDES HENNEPIN COUNTY SAINT AND RAMSEY COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. IT INCLUDES ELECTED OFFICIALS FROM SAINT PAUL, COMMISSIONER LEVEL STAFF FROM MINNESOTA, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION METROPOLITAN COUNCIL, THE MITCH MORELAND AIRPORTS COMMISSION AND OTHERS BUT OUR ROUTE THAT WE CHOSE IN 2017 AFTER THREE YEARS OF STUDY WE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ROUTES AND DIFFERENT TO TRANSIT MODES AND WE SETTLED ON MODERN STREETCAR AS ALTERNATIVE IN 2017. THIS IS THE ROUTE SHOWN IN PURPLE IN DOWNTOWN SAINT PAUL WOULD CONNECT WITH THE GREEN LINE WAS OUR ATTENTION IN 2017 OUR RUN DOWN WEST SEVENTH STREET CROSS ON THE HIGHWAY FIVE BRIDGE I HAVE A NEW STATION AT HISTORIC FORT SNELLING CONNECT WITH THE BLUE LINE AT FORT SNELLING BLUE LINE STATION AND THEN UTILIZE AND SHARE A BLUE TRACKS THROUGH THE MSP INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT BOTH TERMINALS AND THEN GET INTO BLOOMINGTON THE SOUTH LOOP OF THE MALL OF AMERICA AND WE ARE OUR ENDPOINT FOR SERVICE WHERE WE KNOW THAT WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO. SINCE THEN DIRECTION OF THE POLICY ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS FOR STAFF AND OUR CONSULTANT TO REFINE THE LOCALLY PREFERRED ALTERNATIVES. SO WE'VE BEEN THE ALIGNMENT AND STATION LOCATIONS BE DOING A LOT OF PRELIMINARY REENGINEERING BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT FORMAL PROCESS. THE FEDERAL ADMINISTRATION CALLS CALLS OF PROJECT DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THAT WORK UPFRONT. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON ENVIRONMENTAL SCREENING AND WE'VE ALSO EVALUATED BUS ALTERNATIVE. WE'VE DEVELOPED THAT AS WELL RIGHT NOW AT THIS PHASE STARTING I THINK IN MARCH WE HAVE BEEN ENGAGING THE PUBLIC ON THE PROJECT BID, SHARING INFORMATION, DISCUSSING THE PROS AND CONS OF BOTH THE STREETCAR ALTERNATIVES AND THE BUS WITH THE PUBLIC TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK, THEIR CONCERNS, THEIR IDEAS ON BOARD ON BOTH THE DESIGNS AND BOTH PROJECT STYLES. AND THEN FINALLY IN THE FALL OF THIS YEAR OUR POLICY COMMITTEE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO CONTINUE PURSUING THE STREETCAR OPTION AND CONTINUE TO DEVELOP THAT OPTION OR OR TO FALL BACK AND THEN LAND ON THE BUS. ALTERNATIVES. SO I'LL SHARE WITH YOU SOME SLIDES THAT DESCRIBE WHAT THE MODERN STREETCAR AN ULTERIOR ARTERIAL BUS RAPID TRANSIT ALIGNMENTS THAT WE ARE THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED IN THIS PHASE OF WORK HERE'S THE STREETCAR ALIGNMENT AGAIN IT'S MUCH WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE THAT I SHARED EARLIER WITH THE LOCALLY PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE EXCEPT FOR THE DOWNTOWN PORTION WOULD RUN ON KELLOGG BOULEVARD RATHER THAN FIFTH AND SIXTH STREET AND SAINT PAUL AND CONNECT WITH THE BLUE LINE. WE WOULD HAVE A STATION AT UNION DEPOT THE END OF LINE STATION AT UNION DEPOT ABOUT A BLOCK AWAY FROM IT'D BE ON KELLOGG SO IT'D BE A BLOCK AWAY FROM THE GREEN LIGHT STATION IN FRONT OF UNION DEPOT WOULD ON KELLOGG BOULEVARD THEN DOWN WEST SEVENTH STREET WE'D HAVE 20 OR 22 STATIONS. THERE'S TWO VARIATIONS TO THE STREETCAR DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH OF THE STREETCAR ROUTE WOULD BE DEDICATED AND HOW MUCH WOULD BE RUNNING IN SHARED TRAFFIC. THERE ARE MORE STATIONS IN THE ALTERNATE ROUTE THAT HAS MORE SHARED USE LANES WITH WITH TRAFFIC AGAIN ROUTE WOULD CROSS ON THE HIGHWAY FIVE BRIDGE NEW STATION AT HISTORIC PORTS NO CONNECT WITH BLUE LINE AT FORD'S GOING BLUE LINE STATION AND THEN ON ITS WAY BUT TO A NEW STATION BUILT AT THE MALL OF AMERICA ABOVE 24TH AVENUE I CAN SHOW YOU WHAT SOME OF THAT LOOKS LIKE IN IN SOME COVERED SLIDES HERE'S A KIND OF A ZOOM IN LOOK AT THE STREETCAR ALIGNMENT IN AS I MENTIONED IT WOULD BE ON WEST SEVENTH STREET THROUGH SAINT PAUL NEW STATION UP AT DOTY HISTORIC FORT SNELLING LARGELY IN THE PARKING LOT NEAR THE NEW VISITOR CENTER. WE WOULD MAKE A SHARP TURN CONNECT WITH THE BLUE LINE JUST NORTH OF THE FORT SNELLING STATION. WE CAN MAKE THAT CONNECTION. I DON'T KNOW THAT'S A BIG TRANSFER POINT KIND OF A LARGE PARK AND RIGHT FOR PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF WHO LIVE IN DAKOTA COUNTY WE PARK A LOT OFTENTIMES AT FORT SNELLING AND TAKE BLUE LINE AT THE DOWNTOWN SO WE CAN MAKE THAT CONNECTION WITH THE RIVER VIEW FOR FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET INTO DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS IN THAT PART OF THAT PART THE CITY WOULD CONTINUE AND SERVE BOTH TERMINALS AT THE AIRPORT TERMINAL AND TERMINAL TO THEN GET INTO THE SOUTH LOOP AND STOP AT THE THREE STATIONS THERE. THE BLUE LINE STOPS AT NORTH AMERICAN BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL 30TH AVENUE AND THEN THE NEW STATION I MENTIONED THE 24TH AVENUE AT THE MALL OF AMERICA HERE GRAPHICALLY IS A DRAWING THAT SHOWS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE THE BLUE PORTION IN THE TOP CORNER OF YOUR SCREEN IS EXISTING BLUE LINE WE PROPOSE THAT RIVER VIEW AND THE BLUE LINE LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT WOULD USE THE GOLD COLORED DRAWING THERE THAT WOULD BE AN ELEVATED PORTION OF RIVERVIEW AND BLUE LINE THAT GRADUALLY RAISES UP TO A TO A PLATFORM LEVEL ABOVE 24TH AVENUE ADJACENT 82ND STREET AND THE PLATFORM WOULD WOULD WOULD MEET AT THE SECOND STORY OF THE PARKING RAMP THERE AT MALL OF AMERICA PASSENGERS WOULD ENTER ALL OF AMERICA BY WALKING THROUGH THE SECOND LEVEL PARKING DECK PASSENGERS THAT ARE THAT ARE CONNECTING WITH BUS OR VICE VERSA BUS PASSENGERS WHO ARE LOOKING TO CONNECT WITH WITH RIVERVIEW STREETCAR OR BLUE LINE LRT WOULD GO UP AND DOWN SOME STAIRS. ELEVATORS ESCALATORS AND MAKE THAT CONNECTION FROM THE TO AND FROM THE EXISTING TRANSIT CENTER. SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THAT THAT I DESCRIBED I MIGHT GO BACK AND JUST YOU AGAIN THE PURPLE COLOR THAT YOU SEE RUNNING DOWN TO EIGHTH AVENUE AND ACROSS KILLEBREW BOULEVARD THAT'S THE CURRENT BLUE LINE ROUTE. THIS PROPOSAL WITH RIVER VIEW AND BLUE LINE BOTH USING THAT ELEVATED PORTION AND THE NEW STATION ABOUT 24TH AVENUE WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THOSE TRACKS ON THE EAST AND SOUTH SIDE OF THE ADJOINING LANDS TO THE MALL OF AMERICA BRING THAT AREA UP FOR REDEVELOPMENT. IT WOULD ALSO ELIMINATE THE NEED TO HAVE CROSSING GATES ON 24TH AVENUE THERE AT KILLEBREW BOULEVARD SO THOSE COULD THOSE COULD GO AS WELL. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE SOME OF THE BENEFITS IT ELIMINATES THAT CROSSING. IT MAKES THE ADJOINING LANES NEXT TO THE MALL OF AMERICA EASIER TO REDEVELOP. IT ALSO SHORTENS TRAVEL TIME FOR BLUE LINE RIDERS BY ABOUT 2 MINUTES. IT'S VERY SLOW RIDE AROUND THE ADJOINING LANDS AND THEN CROSSING FOURTH AVENUE AND GETTING IT TO THE TRANSIT CENTER THERE AT THE MALL OF AMERICA. IT HAS SOME FLEXIBILITY TO STAGE BOTH TRAINS AT ENDS FOR EVENTS IN MINNEAPOLIS AND SAINT PAUL. THE PLATFORM YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE IMAGES THERE IN THE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SLIDE THE IF YOU WERE HOVERING ABOVE THE ADJOINING LANDS AND LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED ACTION THERE, THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE A COVERED STATION FOR TRACKS TWO PLATFORMS THE SMALL SINGLE CAR YOU SEE THERE ON THE LEFT OF THE IMAGE THAT WOULD BE THE VIEW BY THE STREETCAR. THE STREETCAR WOULD STOP THERE. THE BLUE LIGHT TRAINS WOULD STOP ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PLATFORM. THE APPROXIMATE COST TO BUILD THIS ELEVATED ABOVE 24TH AVENUE IS ABOUT $285 MILLION AND THAT'S ESTIMATED IN THE YEAR OF EXPENDITURE IS WHEN IT WOULD BE BUILT APPROXIMATELY 2020 3132 HERE'S SOME MORE IMAGES. THIS IS JUST A BIGGER IMAGE OF THE A BIGGER IMAGE OF WHAT WE SAW EARLIER ON THE OTHER SCREEN. THIS IS WHAT WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT'S 24TH AVENUE RIGHT THERE IN FRONT THE STATION RISING ABOVE IT AND GETTING INTO THE SECOND STORY OF THE MALL OF AMERICA PARKING RAMP. HERE'S A LOOK LOOKING NORTHWEST IF YOU'RE ON 24TH AVENUE LOOKING TOWARD THE MALL TOWARD THE TRANSIT CENTER AND THEN VICE VERSA IF YOU'RE LOOKING SOUTH FROM 82ND STREET AND THEN YOU SEE THE THREE CAR TRAIN THERE THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE THE BLUE LINE STOPPING THERE. WE'VE ALSO DEVELOPED ARTERIAL BUS RAPID TRANSIT OPTION NOT SO MUCH FOR COMPARISON BUT FOR JUST KIND OF ANOTHER OPTION WE WERE ASKED TO DEVELOP TO TO GET THAT READY TO GO IN CASE THE POLICY ADVISORY COMMITTEE DID NOT WANT TO PURSUE THE STREETCAR. SO WE'VE DEVELOPED AN ARTERIAL EXCUSE ME AN ARTERIAL BUS RAPID TRANSIT ROUTE. IT'S BASED ON THE MALL OF AMERICA AND THAT INCLUDES 21 STATIONS THAT YOU SEE THAT ARE SHOWN THERE MOST OF THEM ARE IN SAINT PAUL PARDON ME AND IT WOULD FOLLOW WOULD KIND OF MIRROR THE ROUTE 54 ROUTE WHERE ONCE IT CROSSES THE RIVER AND GETS BLOOMINGTON GETS INTO THE AIRPORT AREA IT WOULD STOP ONLY AT TERMINAL ONE IN AND OUT AT TERMINAL ONE AND THEN COME DOWN AND SERVE THE SOUTH LOOP AND THEN STOP AT THE MALL OF AMERICA TRANSIT STATION OF THE AT THE EXISTING TRANSIT STATION THERE HERE'S A KIND OF A CLOSE UP OF THE OF THE ARTERIAL BUS RAPID TRANSIT ROUTE IN BLOOMINGTON COMING DOWN 34TH AVENUE WOULD HAVE A STATION THERE AT AMERICAN BOULEVARD IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE TO THE BLUE LINE STATION THERE. THEN IT WOULD BE ON AMERICAN BOULEVARD FOR ABOUT BLOCKS AND AND THEN TURNING NORTH SOUTH AGAIN ONTO LINDA LANE. THERE'D BE A STATION THERE AT 30TH AVENUE VERY CLOSE TO THE BLUE LINE STATION THERE AT 30TH AVENUE. SO THOSE TWO ARE ARE VERY CLOSE FOR TRANSFERS AND THEN MOVING ON TO THE TO THE REST OF THE ROUTE, GETTING INTO THE MALL OF AMERICA STATION ON LINDA LANE PROPOSING TO HAVE A STATION AT 26TH AVENUE THAT WOULD BE THAT'S THERE TO SERVE EXISTING BUSINESSES THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE MALL. THE THE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS THERE, THE HOTELS CONDOMINIUM ,APARTMENT BUILDINGS, ETC. AT THE STATION FOR FOR THOSE LARGE THERE AND THEN CONTINUE ON IN AND OUT OF THE MALL OF AMERICA AT THE AT THE EXISTING TRANSIT STATION THERE AND THESE WOULD ALL BE IN SHARED LANES ESSENTIALLY LIKE A REGULAR BUS DOES NOW ARE RUNNING IN LANES WITH TRAFFIC I CAN SHARE WITH YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT TRAVEL TIMES AND RIDERSHIP GETTING SOME OF THE NUMBERS ABOUT THE PROJECT. HERE'S A TRAVEL TIME LOOK NOW THIS IS END TO END FROM UNION DEPOT ALL THE WAY TO THE MALL OF AMERICA ARE TWO STREETCAR OPTIONS ARE ESSENTIALLY ANYWHERE FROM 43 AND A HALF TO ALMOST 45. WELL LITTLE OVER 45 MINUTES ARTERIAL BUS OPTION IS FASTER. IT'S 40 MINUTES AND THE LET'S SEE THE CURRENT I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CURRENT ROUTE 54 BUS YES IS ABOUT 42 TO 43 MINUTES DEPENDING ON ON DIRECTION AND TIME OF DAY. SO THE TRAVEL TIMES ARE COMPARABLE. THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LONGER FOR THE STREETCAR AND SOME REASONS FOR THAT IS IS THAT THE STREETCAR OPTION HAS MORE STOPS ESPECIALLY IN THE BLOOMINGTON AREA. WE STOP AT TERMINAL TWO, WE STOP AT THE BLUE LINE FORT SNELLING STATION AND WE CREATE A NEW STATION AT HISTORIC FORT SNELLING. THOSE ARE PLACES THAT THE ARTERIAL BUS DOES NOT STOP. SO THOSE ARE PLACES THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO IN AND SAVE TRAVEL TIME. THEY'RE ALSO DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE STREETCAR AND ARTERIAL BUS RAPID TRANSIT SYSTEM. WE MODEL AND HAD TO MODEL FOR EXAMPLE THE ARTERIAL BUS CAN SKIP STOPS IF THERE'S NO ONE ON THE BUS WHO CALLS A STOP AND IF THE DRIVER DOESN'T SEE ANYONE AT THE STATION WAITING LOOKING TO GET ON THE BUS, THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF BYPASSING BUS STOPS. THEY DON'T HAVE TO PULL OVER, STOP, DWELL AND THEN GO AGAIN. THAT'S A TIME SINGS FOR THE BUS THE STREETCAR IS IS REQUIRED TO STOP AT EVERY STATION SO EVERY STATION WE SET UP FOR THE STREETCAR WOULD BE A STOP WHETHER ANYONE GETS ON OR OFF . HERE'S A LOOK AT ESTIMATED RIDERSHIP. THE STREETCAR RIDERSHIP IS MID 11,000 PER DAY. THE ARTERIAL OPTION IS ABOUT 8000 RATES PER DAY. THE STREETCAR IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER IN RIDERSHIP BECAUSE THE ADDITIONAL STATIONS AND BECAUSE IT OPERATES ON DEDICATED INFRASTRUCTURE IT HAS A QUIETER COMFORTABLE MORE COMFORTABLE SMOOTHER RIDE. IT'S MORE TO TRANSIT RIDERS AND EVEN PEOPLE WHO DON'T TYPICALLY RIDE TRANSIT THEY'LL USE A TRAIN, A LIGHT RAIL OR A STREETCAR MORE OFTEN THEN THEY'LL USE A BUS BECAUSE THE PARTLY TO BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE PEOPLE SEE THE STATION, THEY UNDERSTAND THE ROUTE. THERE ARE ONLY 20 OR SO STOPS. THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S GOING AND HOW OFTEN COMES. SO THEY FEEL THAT'S A VERY RELIABLE SERVICE WITH BUS ROUTES OFTENTIMES NOT SO MUCH YOU HAVE STOPS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT LOOK LIKE A BUS STOP AND YOU'RE AND IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT LESS CERTAIN WHEN WHEN YOUR RIDE WILL ARRIVE. TALKING ABOUT COSTS FOR BOTH OF THESE OPTIONS THE MODERN OPTION IS QUITE EXPENSIVE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT NORTH OF $2 BILLION. THE STREETCAR OPTION ALSO HAS HIGHER OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE COSTS THAN BUSSES TYPICALLY DO IT $34 MILLION PER YEAR AND THE REASONS FOR THIS IS THAT SO MUCH OF THE STREETCAR CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE ARE KIND OF OUTSIDE WHAT WE CALL STREETCAR INFRASTRUCTURE. IT DOESN'T COST $2 BILLION TO SIMPLY INSTALL THE RAILS BY THE VEHICLES BUILD THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE FACILITY AND THEN $34 MILLION TO OPERATE THE SERVICE BUILDING BUILDING THAT INCLUDES A COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION OF WEST SEVENTH STREET IN SAINT PAUL THAT'S ESTIMATED TO COST ABOUT $325 MILLION. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF THE COST OF THE STREETCAR PROJECT OR RATHER NOT PART OF THE COST THE ARTERIAL BUS RAPID TRANSIT PROJECT THAT WOULD JUST USE THE STREET AS IT IS WOULD ALSO BE IMPROVEMENTS ON COWAN BOULEVARD IN SAINT PAUL KELLOGG BOULEVARD IS IT'S A MIX OF OF ACTUAL ROADWAY AND BRIDGES KELLOGG BOULEVARD IS MOSTLY BRIDGE STRUCTURE AND WE'D HAVE TO WE WERE BUILDING IN COST TO IMPROVE THOSE BRIDGES STRENGTHEN THOSE BRIDGES ON KELLOGG OVER TO HOLD UP THE STREETCAR STREETCAR COST ALSO INCLUDES REPLACING THE HIGHWAY FIVE BRIDGE ABOUT $415 MILLION FOR THAT IN TALKING WITH METRO TRANSIT AND ROUTE RATHER WITH VENKAT RATHER THEY TOLD US THAT RETROFITTING THE BRIDGE OR JUST INSTALLING TRACKS THE BRIDGE TO ACCOMMODATE THE STREETCAR IT'S A 63 YEAR OLD BRIDGE. THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT WOULD WORK EVEN THOUGH THE THE BRIDGE WAS RECENTLY REDACT. SO WE LOOKED AT THAT AND AGREED WE'LL REPLACE THE BRIDGE COMPLETELY. WE'LL PUT TWO LANES OF TRANSIT ON IT AND THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC AND THAT'LL OUR BRIDGE $450 MILLION FOR THAT FOR THAT WORK. AND THEN THE NEW MALL OF AMERICA STATION THAT I MENTIONED IS $285 MILLION. SO ALL OF THESE ALL OF THESE CONSTRUCTION ELEMENTS HERE ARE REQUIRED PART OF THE STREETCAR PROJECT BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY PART OF THE STREETCAR ITSELF COST IF WE WERE IN A DIFFERENT TYPE OF VERY A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT WE WOULDN'T NEED TO BUILD ALL THESE THINGS BUT THESE ARE CONSTRUCTION BENEFITS WILL LAST DECADES AS PART OF THE STREETCAR PROJECT COST AND FUNDING OF THE STREETCAR WILL BE FUNDED THROUGH SEVERAL SOURCES. FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION WOULD PAY FOR HALF IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR BLUE LINE CONSTRUCTION AND SOME OF THE OTHER TRANSIT WAYS THAT METRO IS BUILT IN HENNEPIN COUNTY FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION PROGRAMS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THESE REALLY TRANSIT PROJECTS LIKE THIS. SO WE WOULD LOOK FOR ABOUT HALF OF THE MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION TO BUILD TO BUILD THE RIVER ELMIRA STREETCAR PROJECT RAMSEY COUNTY WOULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR ALMOST THE OTHER HALF . WE'D USE OUR EXISTING SALES TAX THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE AND DEDICATED TO TRANSIT. WE WOULD ALSO LOOK TO HENNEPIN COUNTY AS A FUNDING PARTNER UNDERSTANDING. THAT PART OF THE ROAD IS IN HENNEPIN COUNTY AND THERE WOULD BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS MADE IN AN OPEN COUNTY AND THEN THAT WOULD BE A FINANCIAL PARTICIPANT TO PUTTING STREETCAR AND HIGHWAY FIVE. WEST SEVENTH STREET IS ALSO HIGHWAY FIVE. IT'S A MINI HIGHWAY PUTTING STREETCAR TRACKS IN HIGHWAY FIVE. MENDOTA HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR THEY SAID THEY WOULD NOT LIKE CONTINUE OWNING AN URBAN ARTERIAL WITH STREETCAR TRACKS IN IT. IN FACT THEY DON'T WANT TO OWN URBAN ARTERIALS AS IT IS THEY PREFER TO MANAGE REALLY THE FREEWAY SYSTEM AND SOME OF THE AND HIGHER SPEED EXPRESSWAYS SO THIS WOULD BE TURNED BACK AND EVERY KIND OF TURN BACK PROPOSAL WITH WITH MDOT THERE'S ALWAYS A YOU KNOW THEY MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROAD BEFORE THEY TURN IT BACK TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT EITHER THE COUNTY OR THE CITY. SO PART OF THE COST THAT YOU SAW EARLIER IN THE ROAD RECONSTRUCTION OF WEST SEVENTH STREET WOULD BE BORNE BY MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION LOOKING AT EVERY OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE COSTS CAPITAL IN OPERATION. THE MAINTENANCE COSTS THE CAPITAL COST IS $131 MILLION OF OPERATION MAINTENANCE ABOUT HALF OF THE STREETCAR $16.8 MILLION PER YEAR ESTIMATED. AND SO PROJECT COSTS OUTSIDE OF WHAT WHAT WOULD JUST COST TO BUILD THE STATIONS AND PROVIDE THE VEHICLES THERE ARE SOME ROADWAY AND PEDESTRIAN PROVISIONS THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY AT THE 14 NEW STATIONS THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE ARTERIAL BUS RAPID TRANSIT PROJECT AND THIS CAME LARGELY FROM NEW LEGISLATION JUST PASSED RECENTLY THAT REQUIRES TRANSIT TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AT ALL FOUR QUADRANTS OF AN INTERSECTION WHERE THEY HAVE A MATERIAL BUS RAPID TRANSIT STATION RATHER THAN JUST MAKING IMPROVEMENTS ON TWO CORNERS WHERE THE JUST WHERE THE THE PASSENGER SHELTERS ARE AS I MENTIONED ARTERIAL BUS RAPID TRANSIT COSTS UNDER $21,000,000.14 NEW STATIONS SEVEN STATIONS WHICH ARE SERVED BY EXISTING ROUTES LARGELY IN DOWNTOWN SAINT PAUL AND HERE IN BLOOMINGTON ON THE SOUTH LOOP AND AT THE MALL OF AMERICA STATION, THE NEW VEHICLES ARE INCLUDED TRAFFIC SINGLE PEDESTRIAN UPGRADES ARE PLANNED PART OF THIS THIS WORK AND THE ARTERIAL BUS RAPID TRANSIT OPTION WOULD BE FUNDED THROUGH METRO TRANSIT EXISTING FUNDING SOURCES AND ABR TWO PROJECT WOULD NOT BE UNDERTAKEN FUNDED OR FINANCED OR LED BY RAMSEY COUNTY IT WOULD BE LED BY METRO TRANSIT. THEY DEVELOP ARTERIAL BUS RAPID TRANSIT PROJECTS IN REGION SO THAT WOULD BECOME IT WOULD BECOME THEIR PROJECT AT THAT POINT IF THAT DECISION WAS MADE BY THE POLICY ADVISORY COMMITTEE LOOKING AT BRIDGE THE BRIDGE IS VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S A BIG CONNECTION BETWEEN . HENNEPIN AND RAMSEY COUNTY BETWEEN BLOOMINGTON AND SAINT PAUL. HERE'S AN AERIAL VIEW IT DOESN'T SHOW YOU TOO MUCH BUT IT SHOWS YOU WHERE THE BRIDGE IS LOCATED BETWEEN SAINT PAUL AND FORT. LOOKING AT A LITTLE CLOSER HERE SOME SOME ARTIST'S RENDITIONS OF WHAT A NEW BRIDGE MIGHT LOOK LIKE. HERE WE ARE LOOKING THINK DOWNSTREAM FORT SNELLING IS ON THE RIGHT BLUFF THERE I THAT'S THE VISITOR CENTER THERE ONE OF THE BARRACKS THIS WAS THE NEW THE NEW BRIDGE OVER HIGHWAY OVER THE RIVER IT'S ACCESS FOR PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS CURRENTLY IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE BRIDGE THERE IS A MAYBE A SIX FOOT KIND OF CHANNEL ON THE SIDE OF THE BRIDGE FOR BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS BUT YOU HAVE TO GO UP TWO FLIGHTS OF STAIRS ON THE ON THE FORT SNELLING END AND TWO FLIGHTS OF STAIRS ON THE SAINT PAUL IN THERE'S A CHANNEL THERE WHERE YOU CAN CAN RUN YOUR BIKE UP AND DOWN BUT YOU HAVE TO WALK UP AND DOWN STAIRS. IT IS NOT ADA ACCESSIBLE TO ANYONE WHO USE THAT FACILITY. THIS PROJECT WOULD CHANGE. I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE UPPER PICTURE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE ALMOST A DOUBLE DECKER BRIDGE AND THEN THERE ARE THE BOTTOM IMAGE THERE IS STANDING EFFORTS KNOWING YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE BRIDGE MIGHT LOOK LIKE LOOKING TOWARDS SAINT PAUL AND THAT'S THE PEDESTRIAN FACILITY WITH THE THE TRAFFIC AND TRANSIT UNDERNEATH THE BIG BIG PLAZA ON TOP ESSENTIALLY PROVIDES FOR AND CULTURAL PROGRAMING TO NATIONAL PARK SERVICE WAS INTERESTED IN HAVING PROGRAMING ON TOP OF THE BRIDGE THE TRIBAL GOVERNMENTS THAT WE WORKED WITH IN DEVELOPING THIS PROJECT AND TALKING TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THIS BRIDGE MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN THIS AREA OF THE DELTA THAT IS THAT IS SACRED TO THE DAKOTA TRIBES. THEY ALSO THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE AN INTERESTING AREA FOR THEM TO HAVE PROGRAMING AS WELL. AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THE APPROXIMATE COST OF JUST THE REPLACEMENT WOULD BE ABOUT $415 MILLION. HERE'S AN IMAGE OF WHAT THE OF THE BRIDGE MIGHT LOOK LIKE. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT AN RENDITION OF OF WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. NO DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE BUT IT COULD BE CURBED OCCUR BASICALLY ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE BRIDGE AND FORT SNELLING IN THE IN THE BACKGROUND THERE AND HERE'S WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AS YOU'RE TRAVELING ON ON HIGHWAY FIVE CROSSING RIVER THERE'S THE STREETCAR ON THE LEFT TWO LANES OF TRANSIT AND THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC. ONE LADY HEADED TOWARD BLOOMINGTON HEADING SOUTHWEST AND TWO LANES HEADING NORTHEAST INTO SAINT AND ONE OF THOSE LANES SOON AS YOU CROSS THE BRIDGE ENDS UP BEING BASICALLY AN EXIT RAMP ONTO EDGE OF ART THAT TAKES A LOT OF TRAFFIC OFF THE BRIDGE AND INTO THE HIGHLAND NEIGHBORHOOD IN SAINT PAUL. TALK TO YOU BRIEFLY ABOUT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND NEXT STEPS IN THIS PROJECT. WE STARTED THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IN MARCH THE POLICY ADVISORY COMMITTEE MET IN FEBRUARY AND DIRECTED TO ENGAGE THE PUBLIC ON OPTIONS AND SHARE THIS INFORMATION. WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT EVER SINCE MARCH. WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF POP UP EVENTS AND OPEN HOUSES. WE'VE GOT ANOTHER OPEN HOUSE PLANNED ON JUNE 20 THE FIVE TO 7 P.M. AT THE WHAT'S GOING TO CENTER SO THE FOLKS ABOUT THIS PROJECT GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON IT. WE'RE ALSO DOING OUTREACH TO AREA BUSINESSES CERTAINLY RESIDENTS TRANSIT RIDERS WE'D LIKE TO TO SURVEY TRANSIT RIDERS AND THEN UNDERREPRESENTED COMMUNITIES TO THE PEOPLE WHO TYPICALLY DON'T COME TO PUBLIC OPEN HOUSES AND AND SHARE THEIR FEELINGS AND THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS ON IT. WE TO REACH OUT TO THEM SPECIFICALLY AND GET THEIR GET THEIR FEEDBACK WE ALSO HAVE AN INTERACTIVE MAP ONLINE. WE HAVE A PROJECT WEBSITE RAMSEY COUNTY SO WE'VE COLLECTED A LOT OF COMMENTS ON THIS INTERACTIVE MAP KIND OF A COOL FEATURE WHERE PEOPLE CAN MAKE COMMENTS ON THEY CAN ZOOM IN ON THE PROJECT, SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, MAKE COMMENTS ON THE MAP THEN OTHER PEOPLE CAN SEE THOSE COMMENTS AND PEOPLE COMMENTING ON THE MAP CAN HAVE A WITH THEMSELVES SO IT'S NOT JUST A A BACK AND FORTH WITH STAFF IT'S IT'S A CONVERSATION AMONG PEOPLE VIEWING VIEWING THE MAP. OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WILL WRAP UP AT THE END OF SUMMER PROBABLY END OF JULY, MAYBE JUST A BIT INTO INTO AUGUST AND THEN OUR POLICYMAKERS ON THE POLICY ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL MAKE DECISIONS ON THE NEXT NEXT STEPS FOR THE PROJECT LIKELY SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER THIS YEAR. OVERALL TIMELINE IF WE END UP PURSUING A STREETCAR PROJECT IN SEPTEMBER THE DECISION IS MADE WE WOULD LOOK TO GET TO PROJECT DEVELOPMENT IN 2020 526 SOMETIME NEXT YEAR TWO YEAR WINDOW TO GET EVERYTHING GET IT ALL DONE. THE ENGINEERING PHASE OF MORE MORE DESIGN MORE FINAL DESIGNS WOULD BE ANOTHER REHASH OF YEARS 2027 TO 2030 CONSTRUCTION COULD START 2030 AND BE OPEN IN 2033 NOW IN THE ENTIRE ROUTE WOULD UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR FOUR THREE YEARS IT JUST MEANS PARTS OF IT WOULD BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR THREE YEARS. THE BRIDGE IS A BIG ITEM THAT WOULD TAKE A VERY LONG TIME AND THEN THE LINE WOULD BE EXPECTED TO OPEN LATE 2033 IF THE POLICY ADVISORY COMMITTEE DECIDES NOT TO PURSUE THE STREETCAR OPTION AND GO INTO EARLY MATERIAL BUT TRY TO PROJECT AS I MENTIONED, METRO TRANSIT THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLY THEIR SCHEDULES DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE IN THE QUEUE FOR ARTERIAL BUS RAPID TRANSIT PROJECTS THEY HAVE I THINK TWO PROJECTS ALREADY IN THE QUEUE TO BE DEVELOPED AND TURNED INTO OPERATIONAL AIRPORT PROJECTS. SO 2030 LOOKED LIKE THE EARLIEST TIME THAT THEY COULD ESSENTIALLY GET AROUND TO STUDYING REVIEW AS AN ARTERIAL BUS RAPID TRANSIT PROJECT AND GETTING THAT AND GETTING THAT PROJECT UP AND RUNNING WITH THAT. MR. CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS ON THE OF MY PRESENTATION I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU, MR. HAGENBECK. AND I'D LIKE TO START WITH A QUESTION. WE ARE CALLING THIS A MODERN STREETCAR. WE'RE VERY SURE NOT TO CALL IT LIGHT RAIL AND I'M SURE THAT'S INTENTIONAL. WHAT'S THE BETWEEN LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT AND A STREETCAR? THE DIFFERENCE, MR. CHAIR, IS IS IN THE OPERATING ENVIRONMENT METRO TRANSIT OR RATHER METROPOLITAN COUNCIL THAT IS THE JURISDICTIONAL BODY OVER TRANSIT THAT HAS TO LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT IN THIS REGION AS BEING FULLY DEDICATED FOR FOR THAT RAIL. SO IT'S NOT FOR THOSE CARS A MODERN STREETCAR CAN BE INDICATED AS MUCH LIKE LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM OPERATE IT VERY WELL WITH TRAFFIC IT'S MUCH LIKE A PIECE OF WOOD WITH TRAFFIC BUT IN SHARING THE SAME LANES WITH WITH TRAFFIC SO THE DEFINITION OF THE STRICT DEFINITION IN THIS REGION OF LIGHT RAIL IS BOTH THE DE THE RIVER VIEW WOULD NOT BE FULLY DEDICATED SO WE'RE NOT IT'S NOT A SMALLER FOOTPRINT MUCH MORE LIKE WHAT WHAT YOU MIGHT SEE IN OTHER CITIES LOOK AT ALL THE OAKS MR. ROD AND LOOK IF YOU'RE STILL WITH US I MEAN ASK TO TURN OFF YOUR VIDEO. WE'RE GETTING SOME BREAKING UP OF YOU AND PERHAPS THAT WILL HELP. ARE YOU STILL WITH OH OKAY YES . THAT'S STILL ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT YOU BACK LET'S SEE OF THAT VIDEO. LET'S SEE IF THERE ARE LOTS OF QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT . COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN, THANK YOU GOOD? YEAH. I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR YOU, MR. REICHENBACH IS WHEN YOU ESTIMATE RIDERSHIP BETWEEN A STREETCAR, A BRT, THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT COUNT WHERE DO YOU SEE THAT THAT DIFFERENCE IN DEMOGRAPHICS YOU REALLY ISOLATING YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS USING YOU KNOW, THAT DEDICATED SERVICE OR IS IT MORE OF A TOURISM CORPORATE IT I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT TYPE OF PERSON IS AS USING THAT ABR VERSUS THE STREETCAR AND DOES THAT MAYBE LOOK INTO THE DECISION OVER ONE OVER THE OTHER WHAT WELL MEMBER BOLTZMANN I THINK THE RIDER NOTICED THAT THE SAME IN RIDER TRENDS IN TRANSIT WE'VE SEEN A DIFFERENCE IN HOW PUBLIC TRANSIT IS BEING USED THERE ARE FEWER EXPRESS ROUTES THAT BRING PEOPLE IN FROM THE SUBURBS INTO THE DOWNTOWNS EVEN INTO DOWNTOWN BLOOMINGTON FOR WORK. A LOT OF THESE OFFICE EMPLOYEES LIKE MYSELF ARE WORKING ONLY TWO DAYS IN THE OFFICE AND THREE DAYS AT HOME THIS WEEK I'M NOT EVEN IN THE OFFICE AT ALL BECAUSE OF A DAY OFF SO AND NOT USING TRANSIT MUCH FOR THAT COMMUTE THERE ARE THERE ARE MORE ALL DAY KINDS OF TRIPS THAT ARE BEING MADE WHERE PEOPLE ARE USING IT MORE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY THEY'RE RUNNING ERRANDS. THEY'RE FITTING OTHER KINDS OF THINGS TO THE YOU KNOW I USED GET MORE DURING THE TYPICAL OFF PEAK TIMES BUT TYPICALLY WE'RE SEEING KIND OF A STEADY USE OF IT ALL SO IT'S BEING USED BY AREA RESIDENTS, IT'S BEING USED BY PEOPLE WHO DO USE IT FOR COMMUNITY TO TRAVEL TO WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S MULTI YOU KIND OF TRAVEL SITUATION NOW IT WOULD ALSO BE A BENEFIT NEXT TIME IT'S A BETTER CONNECTION FROM THE AIRPORT TO DOWNTOWN CONVENTION THERE'S CERTAINLY IS MORE WILLING TO IN SAINT PAUL FOR EXAMPLE GET ON THE STREETCAR AT THE AIRPORT AND YOU CAN GET IT TO SAINT PAUL AND YOU GET DOWNTOWN YOU CAN FIND YOUR HOTEL ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO TAKE A BUS IS JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT CONVENTIONEERS DO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD PROVIDE BETTER TRANSIT TO BIG EVENTS IN DOWNTOWN THAT ARE HAPPENING NOW AT THE EXCEL CENTER FOR WILD GAMES FOR CONCERTS AND THAT VENUE IS IS BUSY ALMOST EVERY WEEKEND OF YEAR SO THAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT IN MOVING MOVING LOCALS AND TOURISTS I GUESS AROUND TO TO GET TO THOSE BIG VENUES. THANK COMMISSIONER LISA ON THE ESTIMATED RIDERSHIP AGE AT THE BOTTOM THIS STATE'S RIDERSHIP TO BE RECALCULATE SUMMER 2024 IS THIS THE RECALCULATED VERSION OR THE VERSION PRIOR OH OH IS THIS IS NOT THIS HAS NOT BEEN ADJUSTED YET WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT LATER THIS YEAR THE RIDERSHIP NUMBERS YOU SEE THERE WERE OF WERE USING METRO TRANSIT MODEL ESSENTIALLY USING A LOT OF THEIR DATA AND THEIR THEIR ASSUMPTIONS THE THINGS THAT GO INTO INTO MODELING THEN FORECASTING RIDERSHIP WE NEED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT TO MORE OF A POST-COVID NUMBER MORE OF A 2020 2021 RIDERSHIP BASE . SO WHAT WE WILL BE DOING THAT LATER THIS SUMMER I THINK YOU I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. MARKETER WITH THE REROUTE OF THE BLUE LINE AROUND THE ADJOINING LANDS THERE EAST OF THE MALL OF AMERICA, I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE PRESENTATION ABOUT THAT MAKES THAT LAND POTENTIALLY MORE DEVELOPABLE OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. WHAT IS THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE ON REROUTING THE BLUE LINE THERE IN IN RELATION TO THAT LAND IS THAT DO YOU SHARE THAT PERSPECTIVE? YES. JARED COOK TWO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION IT DOES OPEN UP SOME OPPORTUNITIES ON THE ADJOINING LANDS FOR ACCESS TO BOTH WINSTEAD WAY AND WALCZAK B ROAD ON THE SOUTH THAT ARE NOT PRESENT TODAY THE DISADVANTAGE IT ELIMINATES ACCESS TO THE NORTH BUT ANOTHER BIG ADVANTAGE BEYOND SUBWAY ACCESS IS THE FACT THAT THE INTERSECTION OF ORCHARD CAPPY AND 24TH AVENUE ONCE YOU ADD BOTH THE LRT TRAFFIC, THE NEW STREETCAR TRAFFIC BECOMES VERY, VERY CONGESTED. THERE'S NOT MANY TIMES WHERE TRAFFIC COULD PROCEED THROUGH THE INTERSECTION SO THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGER ELEMENTS OF REALIGNMENT AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR ENGINEERING STAFF ELABORATE ON THAT IF YOU LIKE I THINK I'M OKAY WITH FURTHER ANALYSIS. THANK YOU. MR. MARKER GOOD. MR. ROZENBERG HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MALL OF AMERICA AND HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THAT REROUTE? BUT MR. CHAIR WE WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MALL OF AMERICA A LONG TIME AGO. WE HAVEN'T HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM RECENTLY. I THINK YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL ISSUE RESOLUTION TEAMS BASICALLY TECHNICAL PEOPLE, PLANNERS, ENGINEERS WORKING ON THIS AND WE'VE BEEN MEETING AND IT'S INVOLVED IN THAT. WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN GETTING KIND OF LIKE THROUGH CITY AND THROUGH COMPANY STAFF BUT WE DO HAVE WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE MALL TO DO PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AT THE MALL MALL OF AMERICA NOT SPECIFICALLY WITH MALL OWNERS, OPERATORS, MANAGERS BUT WITH WITH TRANSIT TRANSIT WHO WILL FREQUENT THE MALL? I'M NOT SURE IT'S MY PLACE TO SAY IT BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT TO THE MALL THERE A PARTNER IN THIS AND A HUGE PART OF THE RIDERSHIP I WOULD IMAGINE OF THIS AND I THINK HAVING THEM AS A PARTNER WILL BE REALLY KEY. SO I WOULD MAKE THAT ENCOURAGEMENT. OTHER QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT ANY DISCUSSION WE'D LIKE TO HAVE COMMISSIONER JUST ONE MORE THING JUST A COMMENT ON THE STATION AT THE MALL OF AMERICA. I THINK MOVING IT TO A SECOND LEVEL MAKES IT MORE ACCESSIBLE, MAKES MORE USER FRIENDLY AND BRIGHT RIGHT. NOW I KNOW THE TRANSIT STATION FOR THE MALL OF AMERICA IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S IN THE BASEMENT WHERE IT IS IN THE BASEMENT AND SOMEBODY WHO IS COMING TO OUR CITY AND UTILIZING OUR OUR TRANSIT GOING TO A BASEMENT DOESN'T SEEM SUPER INVITING AND FRIENDLY. SO I EXCITED TO SEE IT ELEVATED. IT'S MORE ACCESSIBLE VISIBLE RIGHT. SO I LIKE THAT IDEA. THE COST IS QUITE EXPENSIVE TO DO THAT BUT I CAN SEE THE APPEAL THERE. I CAN SEE THAT TOO. ONE OF THE CONCERNS OF IT'S A CONSERVATIVE THOUGHTS HAVE IS YOU KNOW, PARKING, PARKING WE HAVE TO HAVE AN END OF LIFE AND THE MALLS PUSHING 30, 35 YEARS SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR MAINTENANCE IS LIKE THEIR PARKING RAMPS BUT IT MAY REACH END OF LIFE AT SOME POINT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE THERE. DO THEY WANT TO MOVE THAT PARKING RAMP WHERE THEY RATHER HAVE MORE OF A FACADE? LOOKS LIKE A MALL I DON'T KNOW. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE COORDINATING WITH THE MALL IS THAT THAT PARKING RAMP BEING THERE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE IN THEIR LONG TERM PLAN. AND SO BEFORE WE PUT A MAJOR INVESTMENT INTO INFRASTRUCTURE I THINK WE HAD BETTER HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING WITH THE MALL OF WHAT THAT WHAT THAT FUTURE LIKE. GOOD POINTS, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, MR. REAGAN? LOOK, IF WE YOU EVERYTHING YOU WERE LOOKING FOR YES, YOU DID, MR. CHAIR, YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU AND TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THIS PROJECT. YES. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON THEN TO ITEM NUMBER THREE WHICH IS ANOTHER STUDY ITEM REGARDING THE STREAMLINED DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS PROCESS AND MR. JOHNSON HAS A STAFF REPORT FOR US. THANK YOU CHAIR COOKSON APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THIS ONE AGAIN WELCOME TO COMMISSIONERS MCGOVERN YOU SAY WHO WERE NOT ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR LAST CONVERSATION IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO DIG INTO SOME OF THE KIND OF BROADER THAT MAY HAVE RELATED TO THE FIRST PRESENTATION, DON'T HESITATE TO LET ME KNOW BUT JUST BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION KIND OF WHAT THE GOAL IS FOR THIS STUDY SESSION PREVIOUSLY WENT THROUGH ALL OF THE SUBPROJECTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT I THINK THERE WAS CONSENSUS IN THE ROOM THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE AND THE DECISION OF WHAT TO DO WITH THE USE STATUS OF ALL THOSE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS NEEDED MORE TIME, MORE OXYGEN AND MORE INTENTIONAL STUDY ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS. SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU THIS EVENING JUST AS A REMINDER OF KIND OF WHAT GOALS ARE OF THIS PROJECT WHY TO INVESTIGATE STREAMLINING DEVELOPMENT IN BLOOMINGTON WE DEVELOPED FOR MAIN GOALS ALL AIMED AT LOWERING BARRIERS AND COST FOR DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL AND THAT INCLUDES REDUCING TIME, REDUCING FINANCIAL COST ,INCREASING PROCEDURAL SIMPLICITY AND CERTAINTY AND CONFIDENCE IN THE OUTCOME ARE IN THE APPROVAL ALL OF THOSE THINGS COMBINED WOULD IN STAFF'S VIEW STIMULATE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY AND MAKE THINGS MOVE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER. THE OF THAT ARE REALLY JUST TO ENCOURAGE MORE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY MAKE THE BAR TO START NEW BUSINESSES A LITTLE BIT LOWER AND IN ADDITION TO THAT WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF 2023, 2024 TALKING ABOUT HOUSING HOPEFULLY TO STIMULATE ADDITIONAL HOUSING PRODUCTION AS WELL. ONE POINT WE WANTED TO EMPHASIZE LAST TIME IS THAT STREAMLINING DEVELOPMENT IS A POSITIVE STEP FROM AN EQUITY PERSPECTIVE. THE MORE COMPLEX ENVIRONMENTS ARE, THE APPROVAL PROCESSES ARE IT REALLY DOES MORE RESOURCED, MORE EXPERIENCED DEVELOPERS OR BUSINESSES. SO THAT IS A CONSIDERATION THAT STAFF HAS. AND THEN THE LAST POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT WITH ANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE MAKE STAFF REALLY DOES STRIVE TO PROVIDE A REALLY THOROUGH AND ROBUST INTERNAL REVIEW PROCESS WHETHER IT BE A SIMPLE BUILDING PERMIT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE MOST COMPLEX ENTITLEMENT OR DEVELOPMENT PACKAGES YOU SEE HERE AND JUST WANT TO BE ON THE RECORD OR STRESS THAT YOU KNOW IN ORDER TO STREAMLINE DEVELOPMENT HAVE THAT BE EFFECTIVE IT ALSO HAS TO BE PAIRED WITH REALLY EFFECTIVE INTERNAL REVIEW PROCEDURES THAT CAN'T BE RELAXED IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN A HIGH LEVEL OF QUALITY CONTROL AS IT WERE. SO AS A REMINDER SPECIFIC TO THE CONDITIONAL USE SUB PROJECT SO THE CONDITIONAL USE REVIEW WAS A FIVE BASICALLY WHAT WE DID IS WE EVALUATED OF THE USES THAT ARE DESIGNATED AS CONDITIONAL IN THE USE TABLE AND OTHER SECTIONS OF THE ZONING CODE . SO I KNOW YOU HAD A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS YOUR FIRST ITEM TONIGHT SO HOPEFULLY THAT WAS A GOOD PRIMER OF KIND OF THE PURPOSE OR VALUE OF WHAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SERVE BUT BASICALLY THEY HAVE SOME STRENGTHS, THEY HAVE SOME WEAKNESSES ON THE STRENGTHS SIDE OF THINGS IT OFFERS THE CITY GREATER DECISION MAKING DISCRETION YOU KNOW NOT AS MUCH AS A REZONING OR CONFERENCE PLAN AMENDMENT OR WRITING YOU KNOW WRITING ORDINANCES LEGISLATING THOSE TYPES OF ACTIONS BUT MORE SO THAN JUST YOUR BASIC SITE PLAN REVIEW, IT DOES GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO ADD CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT CAN ADDRESS NUISANCES OR CONCERNS THAT ARISE FROM THE PROCESS. ANOTHER STRENGTH IS THAT IT DOES HAVE A PUBLIC ASSOCIATED WITH IT TYPICALLY A 500 FOOT MAILING BOUNDARY AROUND THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS A NOTICE IN THE LOCAL PAPER. SO THERE IS PUBLIC GREATER PUBLIC AWARENESS OF THESE PROJECTS AND THEN I WOULD SAY IN THE LAST ONE AND MAYBE MORE IN JUST A VERY LIMITED OR RARE CIRCUMSTANCE IF CITY IS DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CORRECT CODE VIOLATIONS AT A USE THAT IS A CONDITIONAL USE THE CITY COULD TAKE THE MORE SUBSTANTIAL STEP OF REVOKING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE THAT HAS NOT OCCURRED. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THAT'S OCCURRED IN GLENN'S TENURE BUT IT'S EXCEEDINGLY RARE TYPICALLY THROUGH THE CITY'S TOOLS WHETHER IT BE THROUGH LETTERS, FINES OR OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, WE CAN TYPICALLY GET A CORRECTION OF MOST NUISANCE CHARACTERISTICS WITH THE OTHER TOOLS THAT WE HAVE ON THE WEAKNESS OR COST SIDE OF THINGS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT IT DOES ADD A LAYER OF UNCERTAINTY FOR SOME APPLICANTS PARTICULARLY PROBABLY LESS EXPERIENCED APPLICANTS. IT DOES COME WITH A COMPONENT OF TIME A TYPICAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS TAKES ABOUT SIX WEEKS JUST ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO FOR THE FEW USES THAT REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL YOU TYPICALLY WOULD WANT TO TACK ON AN ADDITIONAL TWO WEEKS TO THAT TO GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND THEN ON THE FINANCIAL COST SIDE OF THINGS THESE ARE AND COMPARISON TO OTHER DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION FEES NOT AS SUBSTANTIAL BUT TYPICALLY APPLICATION COSTS TURN $20 RANGING UP TO 880 IF IT HAS TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT THAT BEING SAID THERE COULD BE OTHER EXTRANEOUS OR MISCELLANEOUS COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH PREPARING PLANS AND DOCUMENTS TO GO THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. YEAH, SO HOPEFULLY THAT PROVIDES A GOOD OVERVIEW OF KIND OF SOME OF THE PROS CONS OF THE PROCESS. SO AGAIN STAFF ALL OF THE USES THAT ARE DESIGNATED CONDITIONAL AND THE CITY ZONING THERE'S 112 USES THAT CURRENTLY ARE DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL CONDITIONAL. SO WE PUT ALL OF THESE USERS THROUGH A RIGOROUS EVALUATION PROCESS, HAD MULTIPLE INTERNAL STAFF MEETINGS WHERE WE DISCUSSED ALL OF THEM INDIVIDUALLY. ONE BY ONE AND WE REALLY WANT TO ALSO WANTED TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO CONSISTENTLY EVALUATE THEM IN COMPARISON THROUGH ONE ANOTHER THROUGH EVALUATION METRICS. SO THE FIRST QUESTION WE ASK WITH EVERY SINGLE USE IS DOES THE ZONING CODE HAVE YOU SPECIFIC STANDARDS THAT USE USE? SPECIFIC STANDARDS ARE REALLY HANDY TO KIND OF ROOT SOME OF THE NUISANCE CHARACTERISTICS OR SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT CAN ARISE WITH CERTAIN USES THAT HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO CREATE CONFLICTS. WE ALSO EVALUATED ALL THESE USES FOR THE POTENTIAL FOR NUISANCE. YOU KNOW SOME OF THAT IS ANECDOTAL BASED ON STAFF EXPERIENCE YOU KNOW MANY YEARS IN THE ROOM KIND OF THING. SOME OF IT HAS TO WITH WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE KIND OF THE OUTPUTS OF THE USE IS IT NOISE, IS IT ODOR IS DUST WHAT OTHER ASPECTS OF THE USE MIGHT CREATE NUISANCE FOR SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS? AND THEN FINALLY THE USE COMPLEXITY THERE ARE A FEW USES WITHIN OUR ZONING CODE THAT HAVE MANY DIFFERENT SUBCOMPONENTS OF THEM SO THERE MIGHT BE ALMOST FIVE SUB USES WITHIN A SINGLE CAMPUS OR HAVE WIDELY VARIED SERVICES OR OFFERINGS. THINK OF KIND OF A COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY WHERE YES OF ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS THEY'RE PROBABLY PROVIDING INSTRUCTION BUT THERE'S A WHOLE ASSORTMENT OTHER EVENTS THAT GO ON AT PLACES LIKE THAT SO THAT KIND OF FALLS IN THE USE COMPLEXITY CAMP AND SO ON THE BASIS OF PUTTING IT THROUGH THESE THREE KIND OF EVALUATION STAFF ARRIVED AT CONSENSUS BASED ON ALL 112 USES AND DETERMINED THAT 57 OF THEM COULD BE MADE PERMITTED ON SOME LEVEL. I UNDERLINE THAT ON SOME LEVEL WHAT THE OUTGROWTH OF THIS EFFORT WAS IS WE CREATED THE MATRIX WHICH TO OUR CHAIR COOK DANCE DESCRIPTOR AND CREDIT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION TO PUT ON ANNUAL SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT BUT THIS IS A SNIPPET OF WHAT THE MATRIX LOOKS LIKE. THE COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT HERE NUMBER ONE IS THAT WE HAVE ALL THE USE NUMBERS LISTED. THEY'RE ALL IDENTIFIED BY A NUMBER. SO AS WE TALK ABOUT THEM TONIGHT YOU CAN REFERENCE THE USE NUMBER AND I'LL HAVE THAT IN THE SLIDES THAT WE PROCEED THROUGH. THAT'LL BE HELPFUL. THE SECOND THING IS YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THAT EVALUATION CRITERIA THAT I TALKED ABOUT IN MY EARLIER REMARKS. ANOTHER THING IS THAT ALL OF THE RELEVANT ZONING WHERE THE USE IS ACTUALLY DESIGNATED AS CONDITIONAL OR LISTED IN THE MATRIX ARE SOMETIMES IN ORDER TO EVALUATE WHETHER A USE CAN BE OR PERMITTED YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHERE IT'S ALLOWED. I MEAN THAT'S AN INTEGRAL PART OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS ARE THAT MAY EXIST IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT. THE THIRD THING I'LL SAY ABOUT THE MATRIX IS THAT ON THE FIFTH COLUMN NO I'M SORRY THE SIXTH COLUMN ON THE RIGHT SO WE IDENTIFIED OF THE USES THAT WE SUGGEST TO MAKE PERMITTED ON SOME LEVEL BUT ALL OF THEM HAVE A INDIVIDUAL OR SPECIFIC NOTE ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD TAKE IN A SUBSEQUENT ORDINANCE. SO IN SOME CASES A USE MIGHT BE ALLOWED IN FIVE ZONING DISTRICTS BUT WE ONLY RECOMMEND MAKING IT PERMITTED IN THREE OF THOSE FIVE ZONING DISTRICTS. SO THAT WOULD BE IDENTIFIED IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OR THE NOTES INCLUDED IN THAT COLUMN. THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS THAT SOMETIMES THERE ARE LIMITATIONS IN THE DEFINITIONS OF THESE USES THEMSELVES NOT REFLECTED WITHIN THE MATRIX. I DO HAVE DEFINITIONS AVAILABLE THAT WE CAN REVIEW TONIGHT IF THAT COMES UP THAT'S NOT OFTEN THE CASE BUT MAYBE IN LIKE A TEN OR 20% OF THE TIME CASE THERE IS SOME RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE EXPLICIT ARE INHERENTLY INVOLVED IN THE USE ITSELF THE DEFINITION OF THE USE. SO WITH THAT THERE'S NOT A PERFECT OR AN EASY WAY TO GO THROUGH WAIVER SEVEN USES THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AND SO UNLESS CHAIR HAS A BETTER IDEA WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS THAT I HAVE ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT OF THESE USE USES LISTED ON EACH SUBSEQUENT SLIDE AND SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS TO PRESENT EACH SLIDE TO YOU AND PAUSE FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME THE CHAIR CAN SEE IF ANYONE WANTS ME TO STOP AND DISCUSS AN INDIVIDUAL USE THEN WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT INDIVIDUAL USE AND THEN PROCEED ON TO THE NEXT USE. HOPEFULLY BY WAY OF THIS PROCESS THAT DOESN'T TAKE UP TOO SUBSTANTIAL WHILE WE'RE NOT HERE ALL NIGHT KIND OF THING BUT I COULDN'T THINK OF AN EASIER WAY TO GO THROUGH THE LIST THAN THAT AND IF NEEDED I CAN PULL UP THE MATRIX AND YEAH AND IF NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE USES LISTED ON THE SLIDE I'LL CERTAINLY WAIT AND PAUSE AND WE CAN PROCEED ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST DOING. I MEAN I CLEARED MY CALENDAR OKAY. BUT ALL RIGHT, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER CURRIE THANK YOU CHAIR YEAH I MEAN I KIND OF WONDER JUST A BASIC IN GOING THROUGH THEM IS DO WE JUST KIND OF TAKE DO YOU IDENTIFY SOME OF THE MORE MAYBE SOME OF THE LOWER HANGING FRUIT AND KNOCK THOSE OUT IN ONE MEETING AND THEN MAYBE KIND OF GROUP SOME I DON'T KNOW GROUP OTHER USES THAT MIGHT BE THAT PEOPLE MIGHT ACTUALLY WANT TO SPEND SOME TIME REVIEWING OR THINKING ABOUT RATHER THAN TRYING TO DO ALL 57 AT ONE TIME LIKE I THINK OF THE ONE THAT WE SAW TONIGHT I'M LIKE WELL WE PROBABLY DIDN'T NEED TO REVIEW THAT BUT MAYBE ABOVE A CERTAIN SIZE WE DO SO I DON'T KNOW IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT STILL SEEMS LIKE A LOT GO THROUGH TO ME PERSONALLY. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT MR. ALBERT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I, I I AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ABOUT GOING THROUGH THESE AND THE WAY THAT MR. JOHNSON PRESENTED. I DO THINK THAT A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY WAS PUT INTO THIS FROM THE STAFF AND I THINK MAKING NOTE OF THE WHERE YOU HAD MORE SUBSTANTIAL CONVERSATION PROBABLY WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US TO DIRECT US IN AND MAYBE WHERE WE SHOULD ASKING QUESTIONS OR LOOKING INTO THINGS FURTHER BECAUSE YOU AS A STAFF GROUP MADE RECOMMENDATIONS AND HAD QUITE BIT OF DISCUSSION SO RELAYING WHAT WHICH AREAS WHERE YOU HAD MOST DISCUSSION WOULD BE I THINK HELPFUL FOR ME. YEAH. COMMISSIONER CORY, ONE THING I'LL OFFER IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE SEEING SOME TURNOVER BY THE TIME OUR NEXT MEETING ROLLS AROUND AND I WOULD HATE TO OFFER CONFLICTING INFORMATION TO STAFF NOT THAT THE NEXT GROUP COMMISSIONERS WON'T BE JUST AS VALID AS THIS CURRENT ONE IS BUT PERHAPS IT BEHOOVES TO TRY TO FINISH THIS THIS EVENING WITH ONE BODY SO MR. JOHNSON I THINK I'D LIKE TO PROCEED AS YOU'VE PROPOSED. YEAH. CHAIR THANK YOU AND IF I CAN MAKE JUST KIND OF ONE COMMENT ABOUT JUST THE LAST DISCUSSION ITEM, IT WOULD BE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GET GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THIS IN A SUBSEQUENT STUDY SESSION AS WELL AND I WILL TELL THEM THE SAME THING THAT I'LL TELL YOU NOW IS THAT GIVEN MORE TIME TO REVIEW SOME OF THESE RESOURCES, WE'RE GOING TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY AND WE'RE NOT SUBJECT TO AN AGENCY ACTION TIMELINE. ANY DECISION YOU MAKE TONIGHT OR THE FACT THAT YOU DID NOT PAUSE ON A USE TONIGHT DOES NOT PRECLUDE YOU FROM RAISING IT AS AN ISSUE LATER AS PART OF A FUTURE RECOMMENDATION. SO YOU KNOW, THERE CERTAINLY COULD BE A CHANGE OF MIND OR CHANGE OF HEART ON SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS YOU MAKE TONIGHT. BUT I THINK FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE WE DO WANT TO PRESENT THIS INFORMATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN ORDER TO KEEP THE MOMENTUM A PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. AND I WOULD ALSO IF ANYONE WANTS TO MEET INDIVIDUALLY WITH ME TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS OR ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT INDIVIDUAL USES, PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME AND HAPPY TO DO THAT. ALL OF THAT SAYING THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION AND IT'S DIFFICULT SO SORRY I DON'T ENVY NEW PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WELL BUT YEAH OKAY THANK YOU CHAIR SORRY FOR THAT DIGRESSION. SO THE FIRST LIST OF USES INCLUDES TWO FAMILY GROUPINGS EXISTING MULTIFAMILY DRAWINGS ,SINGLE FAMILY ZONES, RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES OF SEVEN OR MORE PERSONS CONGREGATE LIVING FACILITIES EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD UNIT DEVELOPMENTS, TENNIS COURTS ACCESSORY TO SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS LICENSED DAYCARE WITHIN A SCHOOL AND PLACE OF ASSEMBLY AND UNLICENSED FAMILY SHELTER ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, TWO FAMILY GROUPINGS HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION AS PART OF OUR RECENT ZONING REFORM EFFORTS AT OUR ONE ZONING DISTRICT SO THAT WE CERTAINLY HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT ONE. ONE POINT I'LL MAKE ABOUT EXISTING MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS AND THIS APPLIES TO SEVERAL USES WITHIN OUR IS THAT YOU'LL NOTICE SOME USES THAT ARE IN EXISTENCE BY AND SUCH DATE. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT YOU CAN'T CREATE ANY NEW LET'S SAY AUTO REPAIR IN YOU KNOW A RESIDENT OR OFFICE IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT SO THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THE USES YOU SEE THAT IS LIKE EXISTING EXISTING BY SUCH AND SUCH DATE THOSE ARE OUR EXISTING SITES. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE NEW MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS FOR EXAMPLE IN SINGLE FAMILY ZONES THESE ARE SITES THAT ARE KIND OF A REMNANT OF DEVELOPMENT IN BLOOMINGTON WHERE THESE USES WERE CREATED IN DISTRICTS THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER ALLOWED IN . HOPEFULLY THAT MAKES SOME YES SORRY IF I MAY MR. CHAIR. I DID NOTICE ON THAT POINT THE JANUARY 26, 2015 OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT SPECIFIC ACT BECAUSE THERE WAS AT LEAST TWO MENTIONS OF IT I THINK EVEN MORE OF THEM. I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THAT DATE REFERS. I'M LESS SURE THAT ONE CHAIR KICKED AND COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THAT WAS THE DATE THE ORDINANCE WENT THROUGH THAT MADE REVISIONS SO PRIOR TO THAT DATE MULTIPLE FAMILY DWELLINGS WERE THROUGH A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND SINGLE FAMILY ZONES AND THEN THAT APPROACH WAS AMENDED IN 2015 TO REQUIRE A MULTIFAMILY ZONE TO DO A MULTIPLE FAMILY HOUSING COMMISSIONER. GOTTESMAN THANK YOU CHAIR A QUESTION ABOUT THE TENNIS COURTS I US TALKING ABOUT THAT WAS REPLACED BY SPORTS COURTS OR CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IF IT'S SPORTS COURTS TENNIS COURTS IT SEEMS LIKE BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONER GOLSON, THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. SO CURRENTLY A SPORT COURT IS ALLOWED AS ACCESSORY TO A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AND WE HAVE STANDARDS THEM, WE HAVE SETBACKS, WE HAVE YOU KNOW IT HAS TO MEET IMPERVIOUS THOSE KINDS OF THINGS PRIOR TO THE CREATION OF THE SPORT COURT USE THE ONLY THE BASIC THE ONLY FORM OF A SPORT COURT THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED AT A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING WOULD BE A TENNIS COURT AND AT THAT TIME PREVIOUSLY THE CITY MADE IT A CONDITIONAL USE MY ASSUMPTION IS BASED ON NOISE CONSIDERATIONS BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE A SPORT COURT USE AND WE HAVE STANDARDS FOR THEM WITH SETBACKS STAFF DOESN'T SEE MERIT AND CONTINUING TO MAINTAIN THAT AS A SEPARATE CONDITIONAL USE THE REASON BEING IS THAT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE THE IMPACTS OF WHETHER BE A PICKLEBALL COURT OR A BASKETBALL COURT OR ANY OTHER KIND OF SPORT COURT ARE ALL COMPARABLE FROM THE IMPACTS THAT THEY HAVE AND SO ON THAT PARTICULAR CASE AND THAT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF IN FACT I THINK THAT ONE IS ON NOW IF IT'S NOT BUT IN THE KNOW YOU WOULD SEE IS JUST THAT WE WOULD DELETE THAT IF IF WE MOVED FORWARD WOULD JUST DELETE THAT USE TYPE AS OPPOSED TO MAKE IT PERMITTED. THANK YOU. THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. YEP. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE USES ON THIS SLIDE? AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT BUT THIS IS NOT THE THESE ARE NOT THE FULL USE TERMINOLOGIES ON THE THIS IS KIND OF A PARAPHRASED VERSION OF IT DOWN IF YOU WANT TO ASK ABOUT ANY OF THESE I CAN GO TO SPECIFICALLY TO THE MATRIX AND WE CAN THEM AND WE CAN GO BACK TO IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ANY SO USE IS RECOMMENDED BE PERMITTED AGAIN ON SOME LEVEL SO CEMETERY MAUSOLEUM EXISTING HOME IN OUR ONE EXISTING OFFICE CLINIC MEDICAL OR DENTAL OUR FOUR EXISTING OFFICE AND OUR ONE IN OUR FOUR EXISTING PLANT NURSERY AND GREEN HOUSE OUR ONE OF WHICH THERE'S ONE AND LEAMINGTON RESTAURANTS WITHIN A MULTIFAMILY FACILITY DAYCARE FACILITY, INSTRUCTIONAL AND SPORTS TRAINING FACILITY STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND MAKING THIS PERMITTED ON SOME LEVEL NO QUESTIONS ON COMMISSION. ALL RIGHT THANK YOU CHAIR AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS LIST. I'M KIND OF SEEING SOME THINGS THAT WE HAVE APPROVED AND PASSED ALONG. HAS THERE BEEN ANY ANALYSIS DONE LET'S SAY FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS? HOW MANY OF THE HOWEVER MANY PROJECTS HAVE COME IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING WOULD THAT ELIMINATE? CHAIR COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT I HAVE NOT DONE THAT ANALYSIS ANECDOTALLY I THINK THE THE MOST FREQUENT CONDITIONAL USES YOU PROBABLY SEE ARE I WOULD SAY IN ORDER ATTAINMENT AND RECREATION SPORTS RESTAURANTS WITH OUTDOOR SEATING OR ROOFTOP SEATING PRETTY COMMON ONE. I DON'T KNOW IF GLEN WANTS TO PROVIDE HIS TWO SONS DAYCARE IS PROBABLY A MORE FREQUENT ONE. SOME OF THESE ARE MORE RARE CIRCUMSTANCES AND DO REFLECT A VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF PARCELS THAT THEY ARE APPLICABLE TO. BUT NO I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS THAT WOULD KIND OF REDUCED FROM YOUR PLATE. I DO KNOW THESE ITEMS TEND TO BE LOWER TIME VOLUME ITEMS AND I THINK REMOVING SOME OF THESE ITEMS PROBABLY WOULD ALLOW MORE TIME FOR THAT LEGISLATIVE FOR YOUR LEGISLATIVE ACTIVITIES TO IN COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT I WOULD BE GUESSING BUT I WOULD VENTURE OVER HALF OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY SEEING WOULD GO AWAY WOULD PERMITTED USES THE BALLPARK IS HELPFUL THANK YOU MR. CURRY THANK YOU CHAIR MAYBE I MISSED IT WHY DO WE NEED TO TAKE EXISTING STRUCTURE? I MEAN IT SAYS DOES IT WHEN YOU SAY EXISTING OFFICE AN HOUR ONE AN HOUR FOR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT JUST REMOVING THE CONDITIONAL USE OF THE EXISTING OFFICES IN THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS AND THEN IF SO LIKE WHAT IS THE BENEFIT REMOVING THE COPY TODAY WHEN THEY ARE ALREADY APPROVED. YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONER CURRY SO SAY YOU'VE GOT AN EXISTING OFFICE BUILDING IN AN HOUR ONE AND THEY WANT TO DO A VERY MODEST ADDITION ONTO THEIR BUILDING RIGHT NOW THEY WOULD HAVE TO BEFORE YOU THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS THEY MIGHT HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU FOR FINAL SAY IN BUILDING PLANS OR FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS DEPENDING HOW LARGE THE ADDITION IS. AND AGAIN THAT TIES BACK TO THE SUB PROJECT ABOUT THE LEVEL OF WHERE SET THE BAR AT ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS BUT CURRENTLY A LOT OF THESE USERS HAVE TO GET A AN AMENDMENT TO THEIR EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO EXPAND IN ANY WAY EVEN IF IT'S A VERY MODEST ADDITION OR CHANGE TO THE SITE . AND SO REMOVING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE INSTANCES OF SOME OF THESE SITES IS BASICALLY JUST ALLOW THEM AN EASIER WAY TO MAKE THESE MORE MODEST CHANGES. IT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. OKAY. MR. JOHNSON, COULD YOU TALK JUST A LITTLE MORE ABOUT DAYCARE FACILITIES? YEAH SO DAYCARE FACILITY. THANK YOU TO OUR DAYCARE FACILITIES AND AGAIN THESE ARE NOT IN-HOME DAYCARES. THESE ARE NOT DAYCARES IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES FOR THE MOST PART. WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK UP THE NOTE AS WELL BUT THESE ARE YOUR DAYCARE FACILITIES THAT TEND TO BE MORE AND COMMERCIAL AND HAVE LARGER VOLUMES OF CHILDREN ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. I HAVE IT AVAILABLE SO I MIGHT AS WELL GO TO IT NOW I FORGET THE NUMBER WHICH I HAD 333 I DIDN'T EVEN FOLLOW MY OWN INSTRUCTIONS YEAH SO RIGHT NOW IT IS A CONDITIONAL USE AND B1 B2 BEFORE C FOUR AND ALEX STAFF WOULD TO MAKE IT PERMITTED THE REASONING KIND OF BEHIND THAT IS THAT WE DO HAVE DAYCARE STANDARDS IN THE CODE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IT DOESN'T PRESENT A LOT OF USE CONFLICT OR NUISANCE CHARACTERISTICS IN THOSE AREAS IF ARE ALLOWED IN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS WHICH THE CITY HAS LEGISLATED THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY A GOOD USE OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO KIND OF MIX THAT USE WITH LARGER TRUCK TRAFFIC OR KIND OF USES THAT HAVE EMISSIONS OR ODORS OR THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF POLICY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE THAT IF YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE MORE OF A USE MAKING PERMITTED AS A IS A GOOD SIGNAL TO SEND AND A GOOD EASIER APPROVAL. YOU KNOW EVERY CITY COULD USE MORE DAYCARE AND MORE CHILD CARE WITHIN IT SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY PART OF WHAT INFORMS STAFF RECOMMENDATION. SO JUST CLARIFYING OR REINFORCING WHEN WE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TURNING THIS FROM CONDITIONAL TO PERMITTED WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE DISTRICTS WHICH IS CURRENTLY CONDITIONAL. WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY DISTRICTS TO THE TO THE USE. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION THIS PROJECT IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS TIDY AND NOT CONFUSING WHICH IS ALREADY IMPOSSIBLE NO NO DISTRICTS WOULD A USE BE ADDED TO OR IT'S NOT CURRENTLY ALREADY LISTED AS A CONDITIONAL USE THE THE FIRM BOUNDARIES AROUND THIS SUB PROJECT OR EFFORT IS DESIGNATE USES THAT ARE ALREADY ALLOWED IN THE DISTRICT BUT THEY'RE ALLOWED CONDITIONALLY IT'LL ONLY MAKE THEM PERMITTED IT DOESN'T CONTEMPLATE ADDING THEM TO ANY NEW DISTRICTS. OKAY. AND IN THE CONTEXT OF DAYCARE FACILITIES YOUR REASONING THERE WAS BECAUSE WE HAVE DESIGNED STANDARDS THAT HELPS PROTECT AGAINST BAD THINGS FROM HAPPENING. CHAIR A FAIR DESCRIPTION IN ADDITION TO FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE A FAIRLY LOW RISK ASSOCIATED WITH NUISANCE OR USE CONFLICT FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE. OKAY COMMISSIONER ALBERT THANK YOU MR.. THE MY QUESTION IS SORT OF PIGGYBACKS OFF OF THIS DAYCARE DISCUSSION. I KNOW WE HAVE SEEN CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS THAT HAVE A FIRM TIMELINE OR THE THE REQUIREMENT TO COME BACK TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT I THINK IN I'M SORRY WE'RE GOING BACKWARDS BUT IN A PLACE OF WORSHIP I BELIEVE THERE'S A THERE'S A TIMELINE ON IT IS THAT CORRECT? I'M NOT SURE IF MR. ALBRECHT SO IF THERE IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OF RECORD IT RUNS WITH THE LAND IN PERPETUITY UNLESS THERE'S A VACANCY PERIOD OF A YEAR OR MORE ONCE THEY GET TO THE 366 DAY AND A VACANCY THEN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HAS EXPIRED. IT RUNS WITH THE LAND IT CAN TRANSFER FROM OPERATOR TO OPERATOR BUT IF IT BUT IF IT'S VACANT FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME OR THE USE CEASES FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME THEN A FUTURE OPERATOR TO AN OCCUPIED THAT SAME SPACE WOULD HAVE TO GET A NEW CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO IS THAT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? NO, I'M THINKING OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WHERE THEY CAN THEY CAN HAVE THEY CAN USE THAT THAT SPACE FOR DAYCARE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. BUT THEN IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AFTER A THREE YEAR PERIOD OR SOMETHING ALONG. THOSE LINES YEAH GO AHEAD GLEN JERICHO CORRECT IN . COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME A LONG PERIOD IN LONDON'S HISTORY WHERE THERE WERE TEMPORARY CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND TRADITIONALLY THEY WERE APPROVED IN THREE YEAR INCREMENTS. SO THERE WERE A LOT OF DAYCARES OVER THE YEARS THAT HAD THREE YEARS, THREE YEARS, THREE YEARS THAT CHANGED I DON'T KNOW TEN, 15 YEARS AGO. SO THAT PRACTICE WAS ELIMINATED STILL HAVE INTERIM USE PERMITS FOR VERY FEW USES . SO THE DAYCARE THAT WE SAW A FEW MONTHS BACK PROBABLY WAS LIKE SIX OR MAYBE EVEN A YEAR AGO THAT WAS SORT OF A CLEAN UP BECAUSE THEY HAD A EXPIRING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BUT THEY CONTINUED TO OPERATE. CHURCHWARDEN COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT I'M NOT REMEMBERING THE EXACT SITUATION BUT IT MAY HAVE BEEN IN THEIR HISTORY THAT THEY HAD GOT TEMPORARY USE PERMIT IN THE PAST. THANK YOU. AGREE A TEACHER IN THE INSTANCE OF A CEMETERY AND MAUSOLEUM BEING PERMITTED IN A R-1 DISTRICT DO YOU USE REGULATE WHERE THAT CAN BE PUT OR WHAT IT CAN BE PUT NEXT TO OR HOW DOES THAT HOW DOES THAT WORK? THIS ONE WHERE I THIS IS ONE WHERE I RECALL THAT WITHIN THE FORGIVE ME CHAIR COMMISSIONER CURRY THIS IS ONE THAT I RECALL WITHIN THE SPECIFIC STANDARDS OF THE USE AND WE CAN PULL THAT UP IF WE NEED TO. I BELIEVE IT HAS A VERY MINIMUM LAND AREA REQUIREMENT SOMETHING LIKE TEN ACRES I WANT TO SAY. AND SO BASED ON THOSE USE STANDARDS OF OF ASSOCIATED WITH THE USE AND THE FACT THAT VERY FEW NEW CEMETERIES ARE BEING CREATED NOWADAYS ON THE BASIS A KIND OF CHANGE OF CONSUMER HABITS DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY THAT OR JUST RELIGIOUS OR CULTURAL PRACTICE . WE'RE NOT SEEING A LOT OF NEW CEMETERIES. IT'S NOT THE USE MUST BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PLACE OF ASSEMBLY BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT HAS LIKE THE CITY CEMETERY FOR EXAMPLE LYNDALE AVENUE IS A FREESTANDING CEMETERY. WE'RE JUST NOT SEEING DEMAND FOR THAT USE AND I THINK THE USE STANDARDS ARE FAIRLY RESTRICTIVE. I WOULD NOTE THIS IS AN EXAMPLE IN THE TABLE IF LOOK IN THE MATRIX THAT WE LISTED THIS AS A YELLOW AS USE CONFLICT MAYBE BUT IN ADDITION TO CITY STANDARDS THERE'S ACTUALLY PRETTY STRICT STANDARDS AROUND BURIALS AND CEMETERIES AND STATE STATUTE AND SO IT'S PROBABLY NOT NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES USE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE THAT IT'S A MORE REGULATED ENVIRONMENT ON A STATE LAW BASIS OF OF HOW CAN BE ESTABLISHED IN PRACTICE DID YOU ASK. YEAH A COMMISSIONER OR CHAIR COOKED IN COMMISSIONERS IT IS A TEN ACRE MINIMUM SIZE TO DO A CEMETERY IF WANTED TO DO A HAVE A NEW CEMETERY SO PROBABLY MORE REALISTICALLY THE ISSUE WOULD BE AN EXPANSION OF EITHER OF THE TWO EXISTING CEMETERIES EITHER ONE OF THOSE WERE TO EXPAND WOULD YOU WANT TO JUST SEEK A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR WOULD YOU ALLOW IT AS A PERMITTED USE? PROBABLY THE POLICY THANK YOU . THAT MAKES MAKE SENSE. RICHARD ALSTON I SAW HIM WAS AT ABOUT OR SOMETHING ELSE I THINK YOU SHARE I THINK THE COMMENT YOU KNOW I THINK THAT ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO OR MAYBE THREE WE DID HAVE A MAUSOLEUM APPLICATION IN FRONT OF US AND IT WAS PART OF A PLACE OF ASSEMBLY. I'M MORE COMFORTABLE THAT AS IT CAN BE SOMEWHAT RELOCATED IF SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN TO THAT PROPERTY WITHOUT DISTURBING OBVIOUSLY THE THE THE REMAINS. I'M A LITTLE BIT MORE APPREHENSIVE ABOUT A CEMETERY BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE STAFF IS COMFORTABLE WITH JUST THE STATE REGULATIONS AND THINGS AROUND THAT. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SENSITIVE TOPIC THAN JUST LETTING IT BE PERMITTED IN MY MIND. MR. JOHNSON FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE IS A MAUSOLEUM THE SAME THING AS A COLUMBARIUM. CHAIR THERE'S SIMILAR THEY BOTH REPRESENT THE REMAINS ABOVE GROUND BUT NOT THE CREMATED REMAINS. IT'S A I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT TERM IS I'M SORRY FOR REMAINS. WELL, COMMISSIONER, ALSO I CAN TELL YOU THAT APPLICATION WAS FOUR YEARS AGO BECAUSE AS THE VERY FIRST MOTION I MADE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION SO ALMOST EXACTLY FOUR YEARS AGO TIME FLIES. MR. GOLTZMAN, I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU. I'LL GET TO YOU IN SECOND COMMISSIONER. HE'S ON THE CEMETERY. I'M A LITTLE MORE HESITANT THAT ONE IT SEEMS MORE SENSITIVE AND YEP I WOULD SECOND YOUR THOUGHTS. COMMISSIONER ISA, I THINK YOU. I WAS WONDERING FOR THIS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EXISTING SCOPES IS THAT THREE YEAR? I KNOW YOU SAID ABOUT 1015 YEARS AGO THAT IT WAS CHANGED TO BE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD AND DEFINITE IS THAT IT IS. OKAY. AND THEN DO THEY STILL HAVE TO GET INSPECTION OR ANYTHING OR JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE? HOW DOES THAT WORK? I GUESS MY QUESTION YEAH SO GENERALLY. THANK YOU CHAIR COMMISSIONER ISA SO IF THEY PREVIOUSLY HAD TEMPORARY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT LET ME KNOW IF I'M NOT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION RIGHT. BUT IF THEY HAD TEMPORARY CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FROM THE STOPPED STOP THAT PRACTICE IN EFFECT THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A PERMANENT USE PERMIT AND THEN THAT WOULD CARRY ON THROUGH THE LAND IN PERPETUITY UNTIL EXPIRATION OR THEY JUST CEASED OPERATION AT THAT TIME. SO IT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF TWO OUTCOMES THAT HAPPENED ON THE BACK END OF THAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION AND THEN FOR DAY CARE FACILITIES, DOES THAT INCLUDE ADULT DAY CARE TOO THAT CHILD DAYCARE OR CHAIR FISHERIES THAT WOULD INCLUDE ADULT DAY CARE? YEAH, WE DO NOT SPECIFY THE CLIENT OR WHO'S BEING CARED FOR IN THE DEFINITION. THANK YOU. SO JUST TO CLARIFY CHAIR AND COMMISSION JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FROM YOUR DIRECTION WOULD LIKE TO STRIKE CEMETERY AND MAUSOLEUM FROM THE LIST THEN THAT'S FOR SURE GARY I MEAN THE IDEA I THINK WHERE IT WOULD BE LIKE ADDING A MAUSOLEUM TO A TEN ACRE MEANS THINK OF THE TEN ACRE SITES ARE IN THE CITY ARE ARE LIKE PARKS AND MAYBE CHURCHES SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. GOLTZMAN THANK YOU. I THINK TO CLARIFY THE TEN ACRE IS ON A CEMETERY. THE MAUSOLEUM DOES NOT HAVE THAT TEN ACRE STANDARD. IS THAT ACCURATE. THINKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S DOWN THE STREET ON OLD SHAKA AND PENN THEY ARE NOT ON A TEN ACRE AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAD THE COLUMBARIUM. YEAH, IT WAS THAT A COLUMBARIUM? NO, NO YES IT WAS. I SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER AS VERY FIRST MEETING OF THE PLANNING CHAIR COMMISSIONER I THINK IT MAY BE I'M SORRY JUST THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THIS PROJECT SO IT'S NOT ALL ON RECORD BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THAT IN THE DEFINITION OF CEMETERY IT INCLUDES MAUSOLEUM. THAT'S THAT'S JUST MY QUICK FIRE RECOLLECTION BECAUSE I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR THE MAUSOLEUM DEFINITION AND SO CEMETERY IS DEFINED AS AREAS FOR BURIAL OR INCLUDING GRAVEYARDS IN MOSLEMS IN CUMBRIA. SO ON THE BASIS THAT I WOULD BE APPLYING THAT STANDARD I WOULD SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET A TEN ACRE MINIMUM TO HAVE MAUSOLEUM AS WELL. YEAH. AND CHAIR COOKED IN COMMISSIONERS AND TO CONFUSE YOU EVEN MORE. I CAN'T COLUMBARIUM ARE ALLOWED AS ACCESSORY USE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A PLACE OF ASSEMBLY FOR WORSHIP. SO YOU WOULD NOT NEED TO MEET THAT AN ACRE IS LISTED SEPARATELY IN CASE OF COLUMBARIUM IN THE USED TABLE. OKAY . SO MR. JONES, YOU CLARIFY YOUR QUESTION THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO CHAIR THANK YOU. SO IF GIVEN DIRECTION WE CAN REMOVE CEMETERY AND MAUSOLEUM THE LIST OF USES THAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED TO MAKE PERMITTED WHEN WE PRESENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL. SO THAT'S IF THAT PUTS A FINER POINT ON WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. THE LIST THAT YOU DECIDE THAT GOES FORWARD IS WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL. MR.. ALBRECHT THANK YOU, CHAIR. GIVEN THE TEN ACRE REQUIREMENT I'M KEEPING AS STAFF RECOMMENDS TO BE ON THE PERMITTED LIST WHICH I AGREE I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK WE HAVE TWO IN FAVOR AND TWO AGAINST. WELL GREAT. SORRY I'M GOING TO SAY I'M BACK I'M GOING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION BECAUSE I IT'S JUST I MEAN IF YOU HAVE TEN ACRES AND IT'S SAY WELL ANYBODY CAN JUST PUT IN A MAUSOLEUM LIKE I DON'T KNOW IT SEEMS VERY RANDOM TO ME AND I, I DON'T KNOW. JUST SEEMS LIKE A WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT I THINK WE'RE HEARING THREE VOICES IS NOT RECOMMENDING THAT TO BE PERMITTED USE SAID WE SHOULD RAISE OUT RECOMMENDED JUST BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY SCENERY RARE FOR IT TO EVEN HAPPEN TO BEGIN AND THIS YEAH BUT RECOMMENDED DO YOU MEAN HAVE IT PERMITTED OR REMAIN CONDITIONAL HAVE IT BE PERMITTED STAY ON LIST? OKAY IS THERE AN OPTION WHERE YOU PRESENT THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THIS SPECIFIC BREAK IN THE DECISIVENESS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE WITH ME. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU. CHAIR, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE USES LISTED ON THE SLIDE HERE? WELL, AS WE CAN PROCEED SO A NEW LIST OF USES, CLUBS AND LODGES 36 MAJOR GOLF FACILITY MANUFACTURER AS PART OF AN APPROVED WAREHOUSE WAREHOUSING LIMITED CRAFT MICROBREWERY DISTILLERY WINERY HOTEL MOTEL VEHICLE MAJOR VEHICLE REPAIR MINOR AND VEHICLE RENTAL FACILITY. I'M HAPPY TO BRING UP THE MATRIX. I'D LIKE TO START WITH ITEM NUMBER 40 IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN WHAT WAREHOUSING LTD ENTAILS. YES. LET'S FIRST LOOK AT THE MATRIX AGAIN. NUMBER 40. SORRY. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S CONDITIONALLY LIMITED THE B1 DISTRICT AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE USES THAT HAS INHERENT LIMITATIONS IN THE DEFINITION. I'LL BRING THAT UP HERE IN A MINUTE. BUT B1 IS LIKE A VERY LIMITED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT BASICALLY KIND OF LIKE OFFICE ONLY DOESN'T LOT OF RETAIL USES. SO WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO MAKE IT PERMITTED BUT KEEP IT ON A LIMITED MEANING BE LIMITED TO 25% OF FLOOR AREA THE WAREHOUSING LIMITED USE IF I CAN FIND IT IS AS INDOOR STORAGE MATERIALS EQUIPMENT PRODUCTS, CUSTOMER INCIDENTAL ACTIVITIES AS APPROVED WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT HAS LIMITED HAS INFREQUENT TRUCK TRAFFIC NO OPEN STORAGE MATERIALS AND DOES NOT INVOLVE MANUFACTURING. SO THOSE ARE THE LIMITATIONS INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION. IT'S FUNNY HOW WE'RE GOING BACK IN TIME BECAUSE THIS ALSO CAME BEFORE US IN ONE OF MY VERY FIRST MOVIE BECAUSE I REMEMBER I WAS STILL IN MY APARTMENT. WE HAD IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE PAPER STORAGE IN A STRIP CENTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND I WAS I WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF USING COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE FOR STORING PRODUCT AND SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF ITEM NUMBER 40 . I LOOK FOR FEEDBACK ON ITEM 40 OR ANOTHER ITEM. COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN SO JUST TO CLARIFY THAT NUMBER 40 IS WITHIN B2 ONE B1 ONE. CAN YOU BRING UP A MAP OF B1? I CAN. IT'S A VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF SITES. MIGHT TAKE ME JUST ONE MOMENT HERE. APOLOGIES, MR. MARKER . MR. MARKER . YEAH. WELL MR. JONES IS BRINGING SOME HISTORY ON HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS IS IT WAS A PRIVATELY INITIATED CODE AMENDMENT AND IT SOUNDS LIKE FOUR YEARS AGO IN WHICH THIS IS A RARE CIRCUMSTANCE IN WHICH YOU HAD AN OFFICE WAREHOUSE FACILITY THAT HAPPENED TO BE ZONED B ONE WHERE WAREHOUSING WAS ALLOWED BUT THE USE OF THE FACILITY WAS ALREADY THERE OF A SPACE FOR WAREHOUSING AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENT AND IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE GIVEN THE ZONING AND SO THEY APPLIED FOR PRIVATELY INITIATED AMENDMENT TO ADD THE USE. YEAH, FORGIVE ME. I WISH I COULD GET RID OF THIS KIND OF PROP BOX ON THE SCREEN BUT THERE'S A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT B1 IN THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S A SITE HERE ASHFIELD CEDAR KIND OF NEAR AMERICA AND THERE'S A SITE OFF 90TH WEST OF PENN KIND OF A SERIES OF A COUPLE OF SITES THAT ARE B1 AND THEN AT NORMAN DALE AND THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT OF NORMAN DALE AND 90TH STREET. THERE'S A FEW OFFICES RIGHT THERE. UM , APPARENTLY THERE'S ONE PARCEL OFF BLOOMINGTON FERRY ROAD AND SIGN THE AMAZON RIDGE CENTER. THERE'S AN OFFICE ON THE SOUTH OF THAT BUILDING AND THERE'S A FEW SITES NORTH OF 494 ON THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE CITY AND THEN IN THE NORMAN DALE LAKE AREA . IS THAT ONE JUST AN AWFUL LOT, GLENN I FORGET WHAT THAT ONE IS. THERE'S A MULTITENANT OFFICE BUILDING THERE. OKAY. SO A VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF PARCELS AND AS GLENN MENTIONED, IT WAS, A PRIVATELY INITIATED CITY CODE AMENDMENT. SO PROBABLY LOW IMPACT ON THE NUMBER OF USES OR BUSINESSES. BUT GIVEN THE LIMITATIONS AND THE DEFINITION, THAT'S WHY STAFF FELT COMFORTABLE MAKING IT A PERMITTED USE. COMMISSIONER GROSSMAN THANK YOU. I GUESS A QUESTION FOR STAFF IN THE FUTURE IS TO LOOK AT WHY DO HAVE BE ONE IN SO FEW PARCELS THAT ARE B ONE AND WHAT DIFFERENTIATES THOSE AND DOES IT MAKE SENSE HAVE THAT AS A ZONE IN THE FUTURE NOT SO WE'RE GOING TO FIX THAT TODAY BUT IT SEEMS STRANGE TO HAVE A ZONE WITH HALF A DOZEN IF IT MAKES SENSE I DON'T KNOW BUT FUTURE PROJECT. THANK YOU CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER GOLSON WANT IS PROBABLY ON OUR LIST FOR THAT ONE AS WELL. GET TO THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT PLAN FIRST. OTHER OTHER COMMENTARY ON ITEM 40. MR. CURRY I THINK IT SEEMS FINE TO ME IT'S IT APPEARS IT'S MOSTLY WITH HOME OFFICE USE SO IT WOULD JUST BE REALLY ALMOST MORE LIKE AN ANCILLARY USE OF AN OFFICE SPACE THAN ANYTHING ANYTHING. AND NOT TO INTERJECT AGAIN BUT IT IS A LIMITED USE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SO THAT DOES LIMIT THE FLOOR AREA ASSOCIATED WITH IT UP TO 25% WHICH ARE. THANK YOU. LOTS OF QUESTIONS TODAY. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MAJOR COMMERCIAL GOLF FACILITY AND WHAT THAT MEANS. SO I KNOW WE HAVE MINI GOLF FACILITIES HERE IN THE CITY BUT WE'VE RECENT APPLICATIONS FOR MORE CONCENTRATED GOLF, MORE ENTERTAINMENT GOLF. I DON'T WANT TO USE BRAND NAMES. SO CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THIS IN BOTH THOSE TYPES OF GOLF FACILITIES FROM A GOLF COURSE, A TRADITIONAL ONE AS WELL AS FROM A MORE MORE MODERN GOLF RANGE, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN ? YEAH SURE. COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN SO THIS USE VERY MUCH IS IN LINE WITH THE OF WHAT YOU JUST LISTED YOU KNOW TOPGOLF DRIVE SHACK ANOTHER ONE THAT EXISTS AND WITHIN THE UNITED STATES THEY WERE LOOKING AT BLOOMINGTON FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. SO THIS IS NOT GOLF COURSES. THIS IS THE MULTI-LEVEL GOLF RANGE WITH THE GAMES AND THE RESTAURANTS AND THE DRINKS AND THE KIND OF OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT. IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO AN OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT USE BUT AT ONE POINT WE HAD AN INTERESTED PARTY LOOKING AT BLOOMINGTON. THEY WERE I DON'T KNOW I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT WAS A PRIVATELY INITIATED TO CREATE THAT ONE. I BELIEVE IT WAS. AND SO AS PART OF THAT EFFORT THE CITY DEVELOPED FAIRLY RIGOROUS USED STANDARDS. I THINK YOU KNOW IN THE NUISANCE EVALUATION WE LIST OF THIS AS A MAYBE IT'S A YELLOW YOU KNOW THERE'S NOISE, THERE'S PROJECTILE ALTHOUGH A LOT OF THE REQUIRED NETS AND SCREENING AROUND IT KIND OF DEAL WITH THAT BUT I THINK WHAT WHERE STAFF PUT FORTH OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS REALLY IN THE MAIN TWO THINGS OF WHERE IT'S ALLOWED. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE DISTRICTS IN THE WHERE IT'S ALLOWED THESE ARE ALL THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS RIGHT AROUND 494 FOR THE MOST PART. SO THERE'S NOT A FEW INSTANCES IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THERE COULD BE A RESIDENTIAL SITE MULTI FAMILY MORE SO NEAR SOME OF THESE ZONED PROPERTIES BUT FOR THE MOST PART THESE ARE IN YOU PRETTY HEAVILY COMMERCIAL AREAS AND THEN THEY USE STANDARDS THEMSELVES AND OF COURSE THE CITY ALSO HAS OTHER NUISANCE STANDARDS AROUND NOISE AND OTHER THINGS LIKE USUAL BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT INFORMED OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS THE DISTRICTS THAT IT'S IN AND THEY USE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE. MR. GOLTZMAN THANK YOU. I THINK MY FEEDBACK ON THIS ONE IS THESE FACILITIES ARE QUITE ALBEIT IN A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED. I THINK THE IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY COULD BE QUITE SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE OF JUST THE SIZE OF THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF I'D FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT BEING PERMITTED JUST BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT COMPARING THIS TO A DAYCARE OR TO A VEHICLE REPAIR MAJOR OR MINOR THOSE ARE SMALLER THE TYPES OF LOCATIONS SMALLER NEEDS FROM A FACILITY AMENITY UTILITY. I JUST THINK THAT THAT ONE MIGHT BE ONE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO STILL REVIEW BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHERS. MR. GOLTZMAN I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU. I DO THINK THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL NUISANCE NUISANCE POTENTIAL HERE ALSO VERY BRIGHT LIGHTS AT NIGHT AND WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW HOTELS 494 AND SO I THINK I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE LEAVING THAT AS CONDITIONAL AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN USE THIS IN MY DECISION MAKING OR NOT BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT UP A COMMERCIAL GOLF FACILITY YOU PROBABLY HAVE DEEPER POCKETS THAN LIKE THE BURDEN OF HAVING TO GO THROUGH A COUPLE MORE WEEKS AND A FEW PERMITS IS PROBABLY NOT SUCH A BIG DEAL FROM A BURDEN STANDPOINT ON THE APPLICANT. MM HMM. THANK YOU. IT'S FAIR TO CLARIFY, HOWEVER ,THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF LEVER OR FOR SPECIFICALLY FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND ALSO WOULD ENTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO THE CITY COUNCIL. IF WE'RE IF IT WERE TO HAVE BEEN BUILT THEY COULD GET A CONDITIONAL USE BUT IF THEY WERE TO BUILD IT THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLANS CORRECT? CHAIR COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THAT'S CORRECT. MOST LIKELY YOU WOULD NOT BE TO DEVELOP ONE OF THESE USES BY RETROFITTING AN EXISTING BUILDING AND YOU LIKELY WOULD BE BUILDING EXCEEDING THE THRESHOLDS OF FLOOR OR OTHER IMPACT THAT WOULD DRIVE AN ELEVATED FINAL SAY IN THE BUILDING PLAN OR OBVIOUSLY PLAN DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL. BUT KNOW THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE REASON WHY I SEE A PIECE EXISTS ADDITIONAL DISCRETION. SO I DON'T KNOW BUT I'M SENSING FROM THAT ONE MAYBE THERE'S CONSENSUS TO REMOVE THAT ONE. WELL AS COMMISSIONER CURRIE I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY MEAN WITH ME WE HAVE ARE GOING TO HAVE TWO OF THESE IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS. I THINK THE FIRST THINK CHAIR SO I WOULD I WOULD BE OKAY WITH REMOVING THISOUNDS GOOD I'M HEARING A SPLIT ON THAT ONE. SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF US ARE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING IT CONDITIONAL AND SOME OF US ARE NOT SO I WOULD ASK FORGIVE ME I THINK I HEARD THREE FOLKS AND IF AND IF AND SORRY I KNOW THAT THIS MAYBE IT AND I SHOULD HAVE MAYBE PROVIDED MORE PROCEDURAL GUIDANCE TO DO AGREED. BUT IF PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE LIKE DOING A STRAW POLL OR RAISE OF HANDS I MEAN THAT'S GOOD FOR THE RECORD TOO AND MAYBE A LITE BIT FASTER THAN INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS BUT I DON'T WANT TO INTERJECT AND ROLE TOO MUCH BUT IF THAT HELPS. BUT I HEARD THREE MAYBE. YES. KEEP IT CONDITIONAL AND MAYBE COMMISSIONER JUST NOTING THAT THERE'S OTHER LEVERS THAT I READ THAT RIGHT. MAYBE I READ IT WRONG BUT I GUESS I, I, I DON'T HAVE A STRONG FEELING ABOUT IT EITHER WAY. I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S ADDITIONAL HOOPS THAT ONE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH IN ORDER TO BUILD ONE OF THESE COMMERCIAL GOLF FACILITIES. SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BEING THE PROCESS BUT I I'M FINE REMOVING AS WELL. OKAY. OKAY. KEEP MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. WELL WE'RE WILL REMOVE THAT ONE WE'LL KEEP THAT ONE CONDITIONAL ON THE RECOMMENDATION. ANY OTHER USES ON THIS SLIDE? I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS ITEM 4848 VEHICLE REPAIR MAJOR, THANK YOU FOR REQUESTING THAT ONE. SO THAT IS CONDITIONAL IN VIEW TO TO AN FTA WE ARE SUGGESTING TO MAKE IT PERMITTED AN FTA ONLY BUT KEEP IT CONDITIONAL AND B2 AND C TO THE REASON BEING FOR THAT IS THAT FTA IS A MORE ECLECTIC ZONING DISTRICT THAT INCLUDES INDUSTRIAL USES AND SITES WITHIN IT B2 AND C TO OBVIOUSLY ARE MORE COMMERCIAL ORIENTED ZONING DISTRICTS SO WE WOULD SUGGEST MAKING IT PERMITTED IN THE THE DISTRICT THAT DOES HAVE MORE INDUSTRIAL CHARACTER MAY ASK TO SEE FTA ON J.S. YES MOST OF THOSE SITES ARE LOCATED ALONG AMERICAN BOULEVARD FOR THE MOST PART. LET'S SEE. IT'S GOING TO PLAY NICE WITH ME. THERE WE GO. SO MOSTLY LONG AMERICAN BOULEVARD IN BETWEEN NICOLLET AND OLD CEDAR IS WHERE THOSE SITES ARE FOR THE MOST PART ARE LOCATED. WHAT AM I MISSING? ANYTHING. THERE'S MAYBE NO. YEAH, IT'S JUST THAT AMERICAN BOULEVARD CORRIDOR. SO IT'S WITHIN THESE AREAS THAT STAFF THINKS MAJOR AUTO REPAIR COULD BE A PERMITTED USE. I WISH I COULD TURN THAT FILTER BOX OFF. SORRY ABOUT THAT. WASH OVER. THANK YOU. I I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS ONE . I I DON'T IF WELL, I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE CONDITIONAL USE SPECIFICALLY IN THIS AREA WITH THAT'S PROBABLY PRIME FOR SIGNIFICANT REDEVELOPMENT AND THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON THERE SO UM AND GIVEN THE PROXIMITY OF THE MALL ETC. I THINK ADDITIONAL DISCRETION HERE WOULD BE HELPFUL. MR. CURRY. THANK YOU CHAIR. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE. I THINK THERE WAS I THINK THERE ARE SOME OFFICE BUILDINGS OVER THERE AND WE'RE ACTUALLY I MEAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY OFFICE BUILDINGS BECOMING, MULTIFAMILY AT SOME POINT OR HOTELS OR SOMETHING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ENDS UP CONFLICTING WITH THE USE AND I YEAH THAT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE THE BEST TO HAVE A LOT OF VEHICLE REPAIR GOING ON SO LET'S JUST I'D SAY WE KEEP IT. COMMISSIONER HOLTZMAN THANK YOU CHAIR QUICK QUESTION ABOUT THAT. SO IF I'M A CAR DEALERSHIP ON THOSE LOCATIONS AND DO MAJOR REPAIR, DOES THAT CLASSIFY HOW DOES THAT ZONE IN AND THE CITY'S EYES? COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN SO CLASS ONE MOTOR VEHICLE DEALERSHIPS DO REPAIR AS PART OF THEM SO YEAH THIS IS KIND OF STAND ALONE AUTOMOBILE REPAIR. OKAY. AND IF I MAY. SO LOOKING AT YOUR TABLE YOU HAD THE MAJOR AND MINOR ARE BOTH F D2 PERMITTED SO BASED JUST CONVERSATION WE'RE LOOKING AT STRIKING THROUGH F2 FOR BOTH MAJOR AND MINOR OR JUST MAJOR JUST A QUESTION I WOULD SAY FOR BOTH I WOULD PULL THESE OFF. COULD I BE REMINDED WHAT MINOR VEHICLE REPAIR IS? YES, MINOR THE DEVIL DEVIL'S IN THE DETAILS MINOR VEHICLE REPAIR IS NOT AUTO BODY OR ENGINE TRANSMISSION LIKE THE MORE REPAIR SO IT INVOLVES TIRES DETAILING WIPERS, MUFFLERS, YOU KNOW THINGS THAT DO NOT REQUIRE OR INTENSIVE OR EXTENSIVE REPAIR ACTIVITIES. UH, THANKS CHAIR I WOULD KEEP MINOR AND REMOVE MAJOR BASED OFF THE INFORMATION AND I CAN PULL UP THE FORMAL DEFINITIONS YOU WANT ME TOAPPY TO DO THAT? I THINK I'M IN THE CAMP OF STRIKING OF NOT A LOT OF KEEPING MAJOR CONDITIONAL AND AND MINOR IS PERMITTED. ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS IS JUST FROM AN EQUITY STANDPOINT THAT THE PARCELS YOU WERE SHOWING THERE IS ONE OF OUR LESS AFFLUENT NEIGHBORHOODS HERE AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE IN YOU KNOW I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TAKING THIS WITH AN EQUITABLE LENS HERE. SO FORGIVE ME WHEN MINOR JUST THE AGAIN MINOR REPAIR MAY INCLUDE MUFFLER REPLACEMENT OIL AND FLUID CHANGE TIRE REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT EXCEPT ALIGNMENT AND BREAK REPAIR AND SUSPENSION REPAIR MINOR ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION REPAIR FLUSHING OF RADIATOR SURFACING OF AIR CONDITIONERS. BUT YEAH HOPEFULLY THAT PROVIDES AN EXPLANATION AUTO BODY NO MAJOR AND SOMETIMES OBVIOUSLY THAT LINE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT BLURRY AT SOME SHOPS PERHAPS BUT HOPEFULLY YOU GET THE FLAVOR OF OF WHAT THE DIFFERENCES ARE THAT. I WAS SEEING A LOT OF HEAD NODS FOR MAJOR AS CONDITIONAL AND MINOR AS PERMITTED. GOT IT. THANK YOU FOR ONE AND ANY OTHER USES ON CHART AND DID I NEED TO REVISIT WAREHOUSING LIMITED WAS THERE CONCLUSION WITH THAT ONE? I THINK I'M A STANDALONE ON THAT. OKAY. KEEP THAT ON THE PERMITTED LIST. OKAY. WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE HERE. MAKING HEADWAY I PROMISE. HEALTH CLUB RECREATION ENTERTAINMENT INDOOR RESTAURANT WITH OUTDOOR OR ROOFTOP SEATING. BREWPUB TAPROOM COCKTAIL ROOM FINANCIAL INSTITUTION. LIMITED FUNERAL HOMES. MORTUARIES. CREMATORIES. PAWNSHOPS AND PET SERVICE PET SERVICES FACILITIES COMMISSIONER GROSSMAN THANK YOU. I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDES HAD EXISTING FUNERAL HOMES BUT NOW YOU'VE GOT FUNERAL HOMES. SO CAN YOU DIFFERENTIATE WHY THEIR LIST OF TWICE I CAN THANK YOU AND THE REASON BEING IS THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED IN DIFFERENT DISTRICTS ARE THERE ACTUALLY DIFFERENT USES LISTED IN OUR TABLE SOMETIMES IN RESIDENTIAL TABLE, SOMETIMES IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONE IN DISTRICTS? SO THIS IS SPECIFIC FUNERAL HOMES, MORTUARIES OR CREMATORIES AND V TO SEE TWO AND SIX TO MEASURE CRE. THANK YOU CHAIR. WE HAD AN APPLICATION EARLIER THIS YEAR FROM SOMEONE WHO I THINK WANTED TO SERVE FOOD AND THERE'S VERY MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT IT SEEMED TO ALLOW OTHER FOLKS TO DO THAT. IS THAT AFFECTED IN THIS BECAUSE I THINK WE HAD SOME INTEREST IN POTENTIALLY IT EASIER FOR BREWERIES. I DON'T KNOW. I FORGOT WHAT IT EVEN WAS BUT DOES THAT RING A BELL? YES. CHAIR COMMISSIONER CURRY SO HAD LESS TO DO WITH THE USE DESIGNATION AND MORE TO DO WITH OUR ROUGH USE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS SO THAT THOSE ARE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO USES REGARDLESS OF WHAT ZONING DISTRICT IN . SO THAT WOULD NOT BE PART OF THIS THIS EXERCISE OR THIS EFFORT. OKAY. THANKS. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT FUNERAL HOMES AND MORTUARIES OR CREMATORY? SO THAT MAKES SENSE. COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN THE DIFFERENCE IS THERE AND THIS INTENT TO PUT A FIRE TO LOOK AT IT FROM ANOTHER ANGLE THIS IS NOT EXISTING. THESE ARE YOU COULD ESTABLISH A NEW WHEREAS IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT I THINK THERE WAS AN EXISTING FUNERAL HOME AT AN R-1 SITE NEAR A CEMETERY. I BELIEVE YOU'RE ONE OF THE TWO CENTERS SO I'M SURE OF IT . THANK YOU, CHAIR. I WANT TO GO TO PAWNSHOPS. SO WE HAD A SUBSTANTIAL CONVERSATION ABOUT REGARDING THE LENDER LYNDALE UP NEW RETROFIT PLAN AND REZONING B TO B FOR AND I KNOW MAYBE THE CITY COUNCIL DIFFERS IN OPINION FROM WHERE WE LANDED. SO BASED ON YOUR KNOWLEDGE THE CITY COUNCIL WAS SUPPORTIVE OF ALLOWING PAWNSHOPS IN BEFORE ALL OF THIS WOULD MAKE IT PERMITTED WITH NO CONDITIONAL USE. YEAH. CHURCH COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT SO THAT'S CORRECT. THEY DID MAKE IT A PERMITTED USE IN BEFORE AND IF I CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT AN EXPLANATION SOMETHING I DIDN'T DESCRIBE IN THE FRONT END WHEN I TALKED ABOUT RESTRICTIONS OR LIMITATIONS WITHIN A USES DEFINITION THERE'S ALSO USES BLOOMINGTON REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT THAT ARE SUBJECT TO LICENSING REQUIREMENTS. PAWNSHOP HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THE USES THAT SUBJECT TO THE MOST STRICT LICENSING REQUIREMENTS IN THE CITY FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF THE QUANTITY OF THEM CAN EXIST. AND SO I FORGET THE EXACT NUMBER THINK IT'S ONE FOR 50,000 OF THESE CAN EXIST IN THE CITY AND WE'RE STAFF IS COMING AT IT FROM IT IS THAT THE NUISANCE CHARACTERISTICS ASSOCIATED WITH PAWNSHOP ARE DEALT WITH THROUGH THE LICENSING PROVISIONS AND THE REQUIREMENT THAT IT BE RE-UPPED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. SO FROM STAFF'S PROSPECTIVE THAT IS THE MAIN DRIVER OF NUISANCE IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A PURELY LAND USE STANDPOINT A PAWNSHOP IS VERY EQUIVALENT OR SIMILAR TO A RETAIL RETAIL SALES SERVICES USE. I SAY THAT UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS INSTANCES OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH PAWNSHOPS. THERE ARE AND I THINK FOR A LARGE STANDPOINT A LOT OF IT CAN BE PERCEPTION AND I DON'T MEAN TO DRIVE WHERE YOUR POLICY DECISION IS GOING HERE BUT I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPEN AND HONEST STAFF PERSPECTIVE ABOUT IT IS THAT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE THE LICENSING WITH THAT ISSUE. THANK YOU . AND YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DISAGREE TOO BY THE WAY, I ALSO HAD 61 ON ON MY LIST AND I DON'T KNOW I I THINK I JUST AS A MATTER OF CONSISTENCY WITH WHAT WE'VE PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT HERE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS THAT I THINK I WOULD ADVOCATE THAT THAT REMAINS CONDITIONAL AND NOT PERMITTED. I AGREE. SECOND DISAGREE YEP, AGREE. OKAY . ANY OTHER USES ON THIS SLIDE JUST PLEASE A 5555 RESTAURANTS WITH ROOFTOP SEATING WHAT WAS THE JUSTIFICATION THERE FOR STAFF? YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO RIGHT NOW THIS HAS HAPPENED ON A FEW OCCASIONS IN THE LAST FEW YEARS. A RESTAURANT IN TOWN WANTS TO PUT FOUR TABLES OUT WITH 12 SEATS OUTSIDE THE FRONT OF ITS RESTAURANT AND HAS TO COME GO THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS IN , A COMMERCIAL AREA I SHOULD SAY FOR THE MOST PART . AND AND SO WHAT THIS ONE HAS TO DO IS WITH IS THAT THERE IS NO SCALE, NO RANGE THAT REALLY KIND OF TIES TO THE POTENTIAL . I THINK IF YOU'RE CREATING A LARGE ROOFTOP PATIO THAT'S A LARGER IMPACT THAN SETTING OUT FOR CAFE TABLES AND SIDEWALK CAFE OR IN FRONT OF A BUILDING. AND SO WHETHER OR NOT THE THE FULL USE YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S MAINTAINED IS CONDITIONAL OR ARE LET ME LET ME BACK UP I'M SORRY WHETHER DON'T AGREE THAT THE FULL USE SHOULD BE MADE PERMITTED AND THAT'S FAIR I THINK WHAT STAFF WOULD ADVOCATE FOR IS THAT THERE HAS TO EITHER BE SOME SEPARATION BETWEEN OUTDOOR VERSUS ROOFTOP SEATING OR SOME SENSE MAGNITUDE THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE POTENTIAL IMPACT MOST PATIOS ARE GOING TO BE LESS THAN SAY YOU KNOW 40 SEATS IN SIZE THE LARGER COULD HAVE SOME IMPACT ASSOCIATED WITH THEM AND SO FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE OF WHY TO MAKE THEM PERMITTED NOT TO. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT THIS IS ALSO ONE OF THOSE KIND OF POLICY DECISIONS OF LIKE WHAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT DO YOU WANT TO ENABLE? DO YOU WANT TO ENABLE A MORE VIBRANT OR ONE THAT KIND OF SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESSES FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE OUTDOOR SEATING IS BECOMING MORE POPULAR, NOT LESS SUPPORTING THAT TYPE OF USE. AND I THINK THE ON THE NUISANCE CATEGORY WE DID LIST THIS ONE AS A MAYBE THE I NOISE IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE AND WE'VE HAD A FEW OF DISCUSSIONS LATELY AND A FEW APPLICATIONS THAT CAME THROUGH BUT I THINK GENERALLY MY COMMENT WE WOULD GIVEN THE NOISE WE HAVE I THINK WE HAVE SOME WAYS TO DEAL WITH THAT BUT IF NOT IF THE COMFORT LEVEL IS NOT THERE FOR FULL THEN I THINK WHAT STAFF WOULD ADVOCATE FOR IS SOME ALLOWANCE FOR SMALLER TO NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SETUP PROCESS RIGHT AT THE END OF YOUR COMMENTS AS YOU SAID WITH OUR NOISE. UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PUT IT BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE WHAT WHAT TOOLS DO WE HAVE WITH NOISE SO CHAIR THANK YOU. OUR OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH STAFF DOES HAVE NOISE MEASUREMENT TOOLS. IT'S NOT PERFECT. IT'S NOT YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT NOISE ACOUSTICAL ENGINEERS AND ENVIRONMENTAL THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THEM OR PLANNERS FOR THAT MATTER. BUT WE DO HAVE EQUIPMENT CAN MEASURE NOISE. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH NOISE STANDARDS IS THAT IT HAS MEET A SUSTAINED LEVEL ALL THE WAY THROUGHOUT WITHIN A CERTAIN HOUR OF AMOUNT OF TIME OF EXCEEDING A LEVEL. SO SOMETIMES WHAT YOU GET WITH CERTAIN USES IS THAT IT'S LOUD 10% OF THE TIME OR 5% OF THE TIME AND THAT'S ENOUGH TO IRRITATE SOME PEOPLE OR CAUSE A NUISANCE BUT DOESN'T VIOLATE THE NOISE STANDARDS. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THAT BUT THINK IT'S MORE EFFECTIVE FOR LIKE PUBLIC ADDRESS SYSTEMS IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT WITH CROWD OR PATRON NOISE . BUT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE CPE HAS BEEN ONE OF THE WAYS BY WHICH THE CITY HAS HELPED THAT ISSUE AT TIMES CERTAINLY BUSHWALKER THANK YOU CHAIR. I MEAN I THINK IN THE LAST MONTH TWO WE HAD A PERFECT CONTRAST OF TWO DIFFERENT RESTAURANT APPLICATIONS THE SMALL PATIO OUTSIDE A PICK MY PIZZA I DON'T THINK THERE WAS REALLY ANY CONSIDERATION I MEAN THE PEOPLE PEOPLE COMPLAINED ABOUT POTENTIAL FOR NOISE. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS REALLY CONTEMPLATED UNTIL WE LOOKED AT IT OR AT LEAST I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT IT IN THE PRESENTATION. AND THEN SO I DON'T THINK THE SMALLER PATIOS ARE AS BIG OF A ISSUE IN MY MIND. I THINK IT'S MORE LIKE ONES WITH SLIDES FROM THE FLOOR TO THE FIRST FLOOR THAT ARE LARGE, THAT ARE ONES THAT WE WOULD WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT. MR. OLSON THANK YOU CHAIR I THINK ONE OF THE DIFFERENTIATORS I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU COMMISSIONER CURRIE IS THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT WAS A BIG DIFFERENTIATOR IN THE TWO APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAD LAST MEETING ONE CLOSED AT TEN WAS SMALLER THE OTHER ONE WAS OPEN TILL TWO MIDNIGHT SO. I THINK THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER THING TO THINK ABOUT FOR PATIOS OUTDOORS VISUAL RECORD. I WOULD ALSO ECHO THAT BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT I WOULD PREFER THE SOME SORT OF CAP ON SEATS BUT ALSO THE IDEA OF ARE DO THEY HAVE SPEAKERS OUTSIDE THEY'RE PLAYING MUSIC OR NOT BECAUSE I THINK THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE LIVE MUSIC AND THINGS THAT I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH NUANCE THAT I WOULD PROBABLY EITHER THIS ONE OFF OR IF IT WAS LIKE LESS THAN TEN SEATS THAT IT WOULD BE PERMITTED BUT THEN ANYTHING ABOVE I WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO REVIEW HAVE AN ADDITIONAL REVIEW ON IT YEAH I TOO I'M HESITANT TO FULLY THIS PERMITTED AND PERHAPS THERE'S A MIDDLE GROUND SOMEWHERE BUT I'M NOT READY TO TURN THIS OVER TO FULLY PERMITTED CHAIR IF YOU IF IF I MAY I THINK WHAT I CAN DO IS COMMUNICATE TO THE COUNCIL THAT THIS ONE IS SIMILAR TO THE CEMETERY ISSUE IS A POINT OF CONCERN MAYBE ADDITIONAL STUDY AND TO TRY AND SOLICIT THEIR FEEDBACK ABOUT IT AND REPORT THAT BACK TO YOU OBVIOUSLY THROUGH THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU'LL BE REVIEWING BUT RECOMMEND SOME TYPE OF MIDDLE GROUND OR SOME FURTHER STUDY OF WHAT ADDITIONAL USE STANDARDS CAN BE PLACED OUTDOOR DINING I'M SURE. ALL RIGHT. YEAH, I I I THINK YOU MR. CHAIR, I THINK THE POINT ABOUT SORT OF THE ABILITY FOR US TO SEE PROJECTS THAT ARE APPROVED WITH OUTDOOR PATIOS THAT HAVE CREATED A NUISANCE AND THEN POTENTIALLY CREATING STANDARDS OR TIMEFRAME OR WHATEVER AROUND THEM I THINK HAS BEEN HELPFUL FOR US. UM YOU KNOW MCCOY'S VERSUS SOMETHING ELSE I MEAN IT IT'S IT'S REALLY ABOUT HOW HOW THEY'RE HOW THEY'RE OPEN SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AND WHAT'S DOOR IN WHAT'S NEXT OR EXACTLY WHAT TEXTURE I THINK THAT'S A GOOD GUIDANCE AND I'LL FLAG THAT ONE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO WEIGH IN ON AND PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO AND EVERYONE'S ALWAYS INTERESTED IN RESTAURANTS AND THOSE THINGS. I'M SURE THAT THEY WILL THEIR EYE WILL BE DRAWN TO IT AS WELL. IS THERE ANY OTHER DID I GO BACKWARDS SOMEHOW I'M? SORRY. OH YES. HERE WE GO. IS THERE ANY OTHER USES ON THIS LIST THAT YOU'D LIKE TO REVIEW? THEY THINK WE'RE GOOD. OKAY WITH THE SAME OKAY. UH, FAMILY DWELLING EXISTING HOTEL MOTEL AND I TWO AND EVERY TWO CONVENIENCE FACILITY WITH FUEL SALES EXISTING CONVENIENCE FACILITY WITH FUEL SALES SERVICE AND FUEL STATION SERVICE AND FUEL STATION TRUCK AND TRAILER RENTAL EXISTING TRACTOR TRAILER RENTAL VEHICLE RENTAL FACILITY JUST QUICK EXPLAINER ON WHY THOSE ARE SO REPETITIVE IN THAT MANNER. IT WAS RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TRANSITIONAL INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT ALONG LYNDALE AVENUE NOT WANTING TO ALLOW NEW OUT ORIENTED USES ALONG LYNDALE AS RELATED TO THE WINDOW AVENUE RETROFIT SO. HOPEFULLY THAT EXPLAINS THAT BUT HAPPY TO LOOK AT ANY OF THESE USES. COMMISSIONER CURRIE THANK YOU CHAIR YOU KNOW MY THOUGHT ON IN GENERAL ON FUEL SALES AND JUST BLANKET PERMITTING FOR USES IN INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS IS THE POTENTIAL CREATE CONFLICT OR POTENTIALLY LIMIT THE OTHER NEW BUSINESSES THAT MAY GO THAT AREA WHERE YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO PUT SOMETHING NEXT TO A BUSINESS THAT HAS FUEL CELLS. I THINK I REMEMBER JUST BEFORE I STARTED THERE WAS AN APPLICANT WHO WANTED TO I THINK IT WAS LIKE A A DAYCARE OR SOMETHING AND THE CITY COUNCIL TOOK OFFENSE TO PUTTING THAT NEXT TO SOMETHING HAD HAZARDOUS WASTE SO BLANKET PERMITTING THAT I COULD SEE COULD CREATE CONFLICT WITHIN THAT DISTRICT AND REDUCE THE POTENTIAL VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AND CREATE LOWER UTILIZATION IN THAT AREA. SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CRAIG. WHAT DID YOU ME TO PULL UP NUMBER 72 TO JUST PUT A FINER POINT THOSE ARE JUST MY GENERAL THOUGHTS FOR I GUESS FOR THE COMMISSION TO THINK ABOUT IF THEY CARE. COMMISSIONER GROSSMAN THINK CHAIR I THINK AS THE CITY WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT KNOW FUEL SALES AND AND THE THE FORWARD THINKING OF THAT DEVELOPMENT FOR YOU KNOW ELECTRIFICATION IN VEHICLES AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A LOT OF EXISTING CONVENIENCE FACILITIES THAT ARE BEING CONVERTED TO RESTAURANTS AND SO I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF NEW FUEL STATION OPPORTUNITIES IF THAT IS AN AREA THAT AS A CITY WE WANT TO SUPPORT I'M I'M NOT SURE I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S REALISTIC FOR US TO HAVE NEW AS NOW KNOW THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR ELECTRIC YOU KNOW CHARGING STATIONS VERSUS FUEL CELLS IS THAT MAYBE IS IS THAT DIFFERENTIATED HERE OR IS THAT LUMPED IN OR MAYBE MORE OF A COMMENT QUESTION THAT I HAD? YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONER GOLSON THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WE DON'T HAVE A MOST OF THE CHARGING STATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DEPLOYED IN BLOOMINGTON DEPLOYED AS ACCESSORY USE TO AN EXISTING OTHER PROPERTY OR BUSINESS SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES AT SOME POINT I WOULD ASSUME THAT THERE WILL BE ELECTRICAL CHARGING ONLY KIND OF ORIENTED FACILITIES OR SITES BUT WE DON'T HAV THAT DEDICATED USE IN OUR USE CODE AT THIS TIME. SO I TAKE YOUR POINT ON THAT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD CONSIDERATION LOOKING AHEAD TO THE FUTURE AND YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S KIND OF GENERALLY IT. MR. RUCKER AND JERRY COOKED IN COMMISSIONERS RECENTLY WE DID AMEND THE DEFINITION CONVENIENCE FACILITY WITH FUEL SALES TO INCLUDE ALTERNATIVE FUELS LIKE HYDROGEN AND PROPANE ELECTRICITY ETC. OKAY. SO IT IS UNDER THAT UMBRELLA I WHIFFED ON THAT ONE. MR. JOHNSON OR MR. BERGER DO YOU RECALL THE LAST TIME HAD AN APPLICATION FOR A FUEL FACILITY ? I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE AN APPLICANT LOOKING RIGHT NOW FOR MULTIPLE SITES IN THE CITY . WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST RECENT ONE MAYBE A HOLIDAY. I KNOW THE HOLIDAY STATION IS WELL WITHIN MY TENURE WE'VE HAD SEVERAL ON LYNDALE NICOLAIDES TWO ON NICOLETTE THOSE JUMPED TO MY GOOD THAT WAS THERESA THANK YOU CHAIR IF THIS DOES INCLUDE BOTH LIKE DIESEL FUEL AND ELECTRICAL CONVENIENCE FACILITIES I WOULD JUST KEEP IT THEN JUST BECAUSE THERE WOULD FOR THE POTENTIAL OF FUTURE ELECTRIC STATIONS IF I UNDERSTAND IF UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID CORRECTLY, GLENN, IT WOULD BE THAT THE NEW DEFINITION CLUMPED BOTH TOGETHER RIGHT GLENN ELECTRICAL INCLUDES IT. YES OKAY. YEAH. AND I WOULD JUST I PERSONALLY MY OPINION WOULD KEEP IT ON THE LIST KEEP IT AS CONDITION OR KEEP IT AS PERMITTED OR GO AHEAD AS PERMITTED WHICH WOULD BE GO TO PERMIT IT. IT'S CONDITIONAL TODAY. YEAH I MEAN GOT IT. YES. SO LET ME JUST THANK YOU . ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION AROUND FUEL CELLS? I'M STILL THINKING HERE. COMMISSIONER HOLTZMAN. THANK YOU, CHAIR. I THINK AS AS IS KIND OF A RAPID TRANSITION FOR US AS A CITY AS WELL AS FOR A TECHNOLOGY. I THINK IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING YET INSIGHTFUL TO SEE WHERE THESE COME IN AS A COMMISSION I THINK THAT AS PEOPLE ARE LOOKING NOT JUST FUEL UP WHICH TAKES MINUTES TO CHARGE WHICH TAKES LONGER PERIODS OF TIME AS A COMMISSION WE I THINK WILL HAVE MORE OF IMPACT OF WHAT TYPES OF AMENITIES ARE AROUND THESE CREATING MORE OF A COMMUNITY BASED DEVELOPMENT FOR PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY BE IN AND INTERACT EACH OTHER I'D BE YOU KNOW I'M THIS IS LAST MEETING SO BUT I'D BE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THIS EVOLVES AND IF THIS BODY HAS A SAY IN WHERE THESE PLACES ARE AND HOW THEY'RE BEING DEVELOPED, IT COULD SHAPE THE COMMUNITY IN A DIFFERENT WAY GOING FORWARD THAN IT HAS IN THE PAST. I KNOW JUST MY $0.02. DOES IT GIVE YOU ANY INKLINGS OF WHETHER SHOULD BE PERMITTED OR A CONDITIONAL? I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE CONDITIONAL. MICHEL ROBERT THANK YOU CHAIR . I AGREE. I THINK IT SHOULD BE CONDITIONAL AND ONLY BECAUSE I THINK WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW AND I'VE BEEN THINKING A LOT ABOUT I RECENTLY IT AND IN TERMS OF ELECTRIFICATION THEY'RE JUST IT'S NICE TO HAVE AT LEAST SOME LEVEL OF WHEN YOU CAN SEE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD BE PROPOSED AND I THINK WE WANT TO HAVE AT LEAST SORT OF SAY IN WHAT AND HOW THOSE WOULD LOOK AND CONTRIBUTE TO OUR COMMUNITY I AGREE WITH YOU COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT IT'S A GAS STATION SEEM TO BE PRETTY COOKIE CUTTER AS WE KNOW THEM TODAY BUT WHO KNOWS WHAT THESE ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND WHAT POTENTIAL NUISANCES OTHER THINGS WE MAY SEE AND SO MOVING YEAH IN THE SHORT TERM I'D LIKE TO SEE IT AS CONDITIONAL. SOUNDS GOOD. QUICK COMMENT ANOTHER DIGRESSION FROM NEC SORRY THE LAST TIME DID THIS WAS 2009. SO THE DECISIONS BEING MADE AS PART OF THIS PROCESS PROBABLY DO HAVE LONG REACHING CONSEQUENCES. SO THANKS FOR THAT SAME FOR SERVICE AND OR A FUEL STATION THEN SAME CONSIDERATION THAT'S KIND OF A REMNANT USE ONLY A FEW SITES BUT I ASSUME SAME APPLICATION THERE SIMILAR USE? YES. OKAY ANY OTHERS ON THIS SLIDE HERE THIS ROBERT I'M SORRY COMMISSIONER. NO, NO PROBLEM AROUND TRUCK OR TRAILER RENTALS EXISTING TRUCK OR TRAILER RENTALS VEHICLE RENTAL FACILITIES. CAN YOU REMIND WHERE THOSE ARE CURRENTLY CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED AND WHERE ARE THE POTENTIAL BE PERMITTED? YES. THANK YOU. CHAIR COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN IS CONDITIONAL USE IN THE I3 GENERAL INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT AND THE VEHICLE RENTAL FACILITY LESS THAN 35 VEHICLES. THERE'S A DISTINCTION THERE IS ALLOWED CONDITIONALLY AN I3 THE S.R. ONE DISTRICT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF C ONE LEFT I CAN ONLY THINK A FEW SITES OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. GLEN MIGHT KNOW BETTER AND I CAN BRING UP THE MAP IF NEEDED BUT MOSTLY THIS IS I3 THE GENERAL INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT SO I'LL TAKE LYNDALE SIDE OF LYNDALE AVENUE WHAT PARTS OTHER I CAN PULL UP THE MAP IF THAT'S HELPFUL SO IF FOR ME PLEASE I WOULD NOT BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS BEING PERMITTED I'M THINKING ABOUT ESPECIALLY LYNDALE NEAR AND DEAR TO OUR HEARTS THINKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE RENTING A TRUCK MAYBE NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH DRIVING A TRUCK ABOUT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY WALKABILITY THE GOALS OF LYNDALE AVENUE IN THOSE AREAS. I THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE. IT SHOULD NOT JUST BE PERMITTED BASED ON THE USERS OF A RENTED TRUCK AND THE SAFETY THAT THAT COULD BE AROUND AS WELL AS THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TO STORE A TRUCK YOU NEED A LARGE PARKING LOT. IT GIVE YOU THAT VIBRANCY THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. OBVIOUSLY IT IS MORE INDUSTRIAL IN THAT AREA BUT I THINK HAVING A PERMITTED IS JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO FAR IN MY MIND. MR. CURRY THANK YOU CHAIR YEAH. AND IN GENERAL I THINK THAT KIND OF VIEWS LARGE PARKING LOTS GO ARE IN CONFLICT WITH IN MY MIND AT LEAST WITH THE CONCEPT OF THE LYNDALE AVENUE RETROFIT PLAN LONG TERM. SO I GUESS I WOULD BE I WOULD KEEP THAT AS CONDITIONAL AS IS THIS PARTY RECOMMENDING IT SHOULD BE NOT ALLOWED FISHERIES YEAH I WOULD JUST US I GUESS THIRD WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER SAID AS FAR AS SAFETY WITH THE PEDESTRIANS AND ALSO LONG TERM LIKE LONG TERM OUR LONG TERM GOAL WITH THE LITTLE RETROFIT PLAN YEAH THAT'S THAT'S MY TAKE CAUSE YOU'RE GREAT I THINK CONDITIONAL FINE. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO REMOVE THE USE ALTOGETHER FROM IT. OKAY. I THINK THE CONDITIONAL WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT . OKAY. THANK YOU. AND SAME COMMENT FOR VEHICLE RENTAL FACILITY I DID I WOULD JUST NOTE THAT THAT ALSO INCLUDED THE S.R. ONE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE VEHICLE RENTAL FACILITY AND I BELIEVE THOSE SITES ARE MOSTLY ALONG AMERICAN AND FOR 94 JUST A FEW MORE SITES THAN I THOUGHT BUT YEAH BUT THE COMMISSION LIKE TO MAKE ANY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION TO VEHICLE RENTAL AND SEE OUR ONE I'M NOT HEARING THAT OKAY THAT'S FINE OF COURSE YOU'RE SORRY, MR. CURRY. THANK YOU. SURE. YEAH. I VOTE FOR VEHICLE IN SIERRA ONE. I WOULD ALSO KEEP THAT AS CONDITIONAL JUST GIVEN THAT THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE I WOULD GUESS HIGHER AND BETTER USE IN MY MIND THAN THAN PARKING LOTS ON FOR 94 SO THANK YOU FOR THE GUIDANCE READY TO MOVE FORWARD? NO MR. JOHNSON, IT'S NOT ON YOUR LIST BUT I WAS HOPING YOU COULD TOUCH ON ITEM I'M SORRY USE NUMBER 64 I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS SIX HOTEL AIRPORT PARKING YEAH HOTEL AIRPORT PARKING IT IS CURRENTLY CONDITIONAL IN THOSE COMMERCIALS ARE DISTRICTS AND A FEW INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS LISTED THERE I BELIEVE STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING TO CHANGE ITS DESIGNATION WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO KEEP IT AS CONDITIONAL AND I DON'T RECALL IF THAT IS A IT'S ACCESSORY. I BELIEVE IN THE DEFINITION PLAN. AM I WRONG? COULD WE BRING UP THE DEFINITION? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOTEL AIRPORT PARKING AND REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING. YEAH. SO HOTEL HEALTH HOTEL AIRPORT PARKING IS THERE HAS TO BE HOTEL THERE NUMBER ONE OF THE AIRPORT SORRY BUT I THINK IT HAS SOME LIMITATIONS AND YOU HAVE TO BE MEETING OTHERWISE MEETING THE PARKING REQUIREMENT BUT LET'S PULL IT UP . THERE WE GO. I'M SORRY PARKING ACCESSORY TO A FOR THE USE OF HOTEL GUESTS TO PARK OR STORE MOTOR VEHICLES FOR UP TO SEVEN DAYS WHILE OUT OF TOWN PROVIDED SUCH PARKING IS IN ADDITION TO PARKING SPACES REQUIRED BY THIS CODE FOR THE HOTEL AND IT'S USES AND PROVIDING THE PARKING DOES NOT EXCEED ONE SPACE PER TEN HOTEL ROOMS. GLENN COULD SPEAK TO THIS BETTER THAN. I WOULD I BELIEVE REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING AND HOTEL AIRPORT PARKING ARE TWO USES THAT ARE PLANNED TO BE STUDIED FURTHER ON A STAFF LEVEL FORTHCOMING OR AT LEAST HAVE BEEN FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT GLENN ARE STEPPING OUT OF BOUNDS HERE. YEAH. OKAY. I'M IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THAT AS A AS YOU'VE SHOWN HERE. THANK YOU FOR THAT MAY PROCEED TO THE NEXT SLIDE. YES OKAY. SELF BREWING FACILITY RAIL SALES, HEAVY EQUIPMENT CENTER SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES TECHNOLOGY CAMPUS RESEARCH AND POST-SECONDARY EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES . MR. GROSSMAN THANK YOU CHAIR. LET'S TALK ABOUT DATA CENTERS. I KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN A TOPIC THAT HAS TO THIS BODY IN THE PAST REALLY AROUND NOISE AS A RESULT OF THE DATA CENTER. SO CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THIS CHANGE COULD MEAN FOR BOTH THE CITY, THIS BODY AND THE RESIDENTS THAT POTENTIALLY BE BY THOSE DATA CENTERS? YEAH. THANK FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO CHAIR COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN DATA CENTERS WERE NOT A SEPARATELY DEFINED OR LISTED USE. THEY WOULD GO THROUGH A A PROCESS OF JUST FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLAN APPROVAL EQUIVALENT TO A WAREHOUSE OR OTHER GENERIC INDUSTRIAL USE. UM WE HAVE THE PRODUCT, WE HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT ON OLD SHACK IP AND FORGIVE ME NEAR BLOOMINGTON FERRY I BELIEVE AND AT THAT THERE WAS SOME COMMUNITY FEEDBACK THAT KNOW THESE USES REALLY POSE MORE OF A NUISANCE THAN I THINK YOU KNOW WE WERE INITIALLY AWARE OF OR ANTICIPATED SO WE WENT A MAKEOVER A CITY INITIATED CITY CODE PROCESS TO CREATE NEW STANDARDS PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR THOSE USES THOSE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS INCLUDE A 500 FOOT BUFFER I BELIEVE TO RESIDENTIAL USES AS WELL AS REQUIREMENT THAT NOISE MAKING MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT CHILLERS AND OTHER THINGS BE LOCATED ON THE MOST ADVANTAGEOUS ON THE SITE RELEVANT TO YOU KNOW ANY RESIDENTIAL USES AND SO I THINK YOU WHAT INFORMED STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE IT A PERMITTED USE IS THAT IN OUR JUDGMENT THESE NEW STANDARDS HAVE EFFECTIVELY LESSENED OR LIMITED THE AMOUNT OF NUISANCE THAT THEY CAN POSE AS WAS THE CASE AND THAT SITUATION THERE'S A VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF UH WELL I COULDN'T GIVE YOU THE EXACT NUMBER. WE WENT THROUGH AN EXERCISE. WE LOOKED AT THAT AS PART OF THE CODE AMENDMENTS BUT THERE WAS A LIMITED NUMBER OF PERSONS YOU COULD ESTABLISH A NEW DATA CENTER ON THE BASIS OF THESE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS ITEM 85 AND I KNOW THIS IS ONLY PERTAINING TO I AN I3 BASED ON YOUR TABLE HERE CAN SEE THOSE ON A MAP. YES UNFORTUNATELY WITH THIS WITHOUT DESKTOP JESS AND MIKE MAY ABLE TO DO IT WITH BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER BUT I TOO IS YOU KNOW, THE INDUSTRIAL AREA NORTH OF CITY HALL HERE FOR THE MOST PART INCLUDING CITY HALL UM SO ALONG INTERSTATE 35 W AND BOUNDED ON THE WEST BY PINE AVENUE SOUTH OF 90TH STREET AND YOU KNOW DOWN TO 90TH STREET THREE UP ONES REMINDING ME THERE'S A STRIP THERE IS A STRETCH UP ON BUSH LAKE ROAD NORTH OF 494 SO FORGIVE ME FOR FORGETTING ONE STATIC LINE I THINK. YEP. AND THEN THREE HAS A WIDER APPLICATION THERE'S MORE PARCELS ZONED THREE AND AGAIN THIS IS NOT DIRECTLY ON LYNDALE BUT THE INDUSTRIAL AREA BEHIND LYNDALE GRAND AVENUE PILLSBURY SOME OF THOSE SITES ALL THE WAY UP TO AMERICAN AND SOUTH DOWN TO 94TH STREET KIND OF ALONG THE RAILROAD LINE THAT GOES NORTH SOUTH THROUGH THAT AREA THERMO KING YOU KNOW OTHER INDUSTRIAL LARGER INDUSTRIAL SITES DAWSON INDUSTRIES SO SOME OF THOSE COULD YOU HELP EXPLAIN STEPH'S RECOMMENDATION ON THAT ONE. YEAH, YOU BET. SO THERE'S A UM SO FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF WHERE IT'S ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT THE POTENTIAL NUISANCES ARE. SO I THINK IN THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE WE'VE HAD ONE NEW OF THESE FACILITIES DEVELOPED. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY THE LARGE ONE ON 35 W SO I THINK WE HAVE TWO OF THEM IF I COULD BE WRONG ONE'S GIVEN ME A THUMBS UP WELL MORE MORE. OKAY ONE THING THAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO DEFINE THE USE AS THE USE DOESN'T CURRENTLY HAVE A DEFINITION THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES THIS YEAR YET SO WE DON'T DEFINE THE USE BUT BASICALLY WHAT THE USE IS THE ZIEGLER CAT THE FAIRCHILD EQUIPMENT BUT BASICALLY THEY SELL FRONT END LOADERS LARGER CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT AT THESE SITES TYPICALLY THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THEY'RE NOT DELIVERING ON ONSITE TYPICALLY BUT THEY MIGHT BE STORING SOME OF THIS EQUIPMENT ON SITE SOME SITES EVEN DISPLAY SOME OF THIS EQUIPMENT AT SOME OF THEIR PROPERTIES. BUT IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW, WHETHER NOT IT'S KIND OF A RETAIL ACTIVITY, THEY'RE NOT DOING LIKE TO MY KNOWLEDGE LARGE DEMONSTRATIONS ON PROPERTIES. ONE OF THE CAMPUSES THAT HAS THIS USE DOES REPAIR HEAVY EQUIPMENT OR I BELIEVE ASSEMBLED HEAVY EQUIPMENT ON SOME LEVEL. SO THAT'S A DIFFERENT LAND USE THAN THE RETAIL SALES IT AND SO I THINK WHAT INFORMED OUR DIFFERENT OR OUR RECOMMENDATION HERE IS JUST IT'S A LIMITED APPLICATION AND B THE THAT IT'S THE RETAIL NOT THE FABRICATION THE REPAIR THE OTHER THAT COULD BE MORE NUISANCE ORIENTED DON'T THINK I'M READY TO GO PERMITTED ON THIS JUST THE MOVING IN AND OUT OF HEAVY EQUIPMENT I THINK IS A NUISANCE ON TO A LOT OF USERS AND SO I DON'T KNOW I ,I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THOSE CONDITIONAL THUMBS UP . OKAY NO PROBLEM. UM , THANK YOU FOR THAT ONE. ANYONE ELSE ON THIS SLIDE HERE ? I HAD ANOTHER ONE ON MY LIST THAT'S NOT ON YOUR LIST IS ITEM 95. ITEM 95 I THINK I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANT. PUBLIC AND PUBLIC UTILITY BUILDINGS IN THE BLUFF PROTECTION OVERLAY DOES I DIDN'T I THINK I DIDN'T KNOW IT. YEAH SO IT'S LISTED IN OUR IT'S LISTED IN OUR ZONING USE IT'S LISTED IN OUR USE TABLE BUT IT'S NOT THE BP IS IN A BASED ZONING DISTRICT. IT'S AN OVERLAY ZONING DISTRICT. AND SO I THINK ACTUALLY YOU KNOW WHAT I TAKE THIS BACK IT IS A USE THAT IS IN THE LIST OF CITY COUNCIL REQUIRED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVALS IT'S NOT LISTED IN THE BP OVERLAY ZONING DISTRICT IT'S LISTED IN A REQUIREMENT THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE UNDER THAT CIRCUMSTANCE. SO THIS ONE IS MORE OF A CODE CLEAN UP THAN IT JUST KIND OF POINTS TO THE WRONG PLACE. RICHARD DALTON THANK YOU CHAIR. THERE IS A ITEM ON SELF-STORAGE YEAH SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS WHERE. WE ALLOW THEM BUT WE DON'T AND SO JUST BASED ON MY SIX YEARS ON THE COMMISSION I DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING THIS A PERMITTED USE AS THERE ARE SO MANY SO MANY DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS I KNOW THAT THERE AREN'T VERY MANY PROPERTIES THAT COULD HAVE THEM SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF US SEEING A NEW ONE IS PRETTY LIMITED BUT I THINK THIS WOULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE IN MY MIND . COMMISSIONER CARY THANK YOU SHARE I WOULD YEAH I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT AND I THINK THAT'S BETTER TO KEEP AS SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES MORE APPROVAL. YEAH. AND COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN, I RECALL THE ONE ON LYNDALE THERE WERE SOME OR THERE WAS A LOT OF ABOUT THAT ONE IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID MAKE SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THAT DEVELOPMENT AND SO WHAT THEY'RE YES I'M HEARING THE STRIKE THAT ONE GOT ANY OTHERS ON THIS LIST WERE ALMOST CLOSE TO THE END I PROMISE. OKAY. PUBLIC UTILITY USERS UTILITY USERS, MULTI-FAMILY AND CSO FIVE PARKING STRUCTURES AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS AND AND C1 AND NONPROFIT CLUBS A CONCERN ABOUT THOSE ONES WHAT IS ITEM 103 WHAT IS CSO FIVE? CSO FIVE IS A COMMERCIAL SERVICES AND IT IS ONE OF OUR CHAPTER NINE OR CHAPTER 19 OLDER COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS ALONG THE FREEWAY FOR THE MOST PART. AND WHEN THE CITY CREATED ITS FREEWAY AND NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS ADDS IT ALLOWS MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL AT THOSE DISTRICTS AS LONG AS MINIMUM FLOOR AREAS ARE KEPT OFF COMMERCIAL FLOOR . THAT SAME APPROACH WAS NOT ADDED TO OR IS CURRENTLY A CONDITIONAL USE THESE OLDER CHAPTER 19 COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. EVENTUALLY YOU KNOW IDEALLY WE'LL GET RID OF THOSE 19 ZONING DISTRICTS REZONE THEM ALL TO MODERN DISTRICTS THAT ARE IN CHAPTER 21. BUT FOR THE TIME BEING WE DO HAVE SOME USES THAT SOME SITES HAVE THIS ZONING AND THAT'S PART OF THE CONSIDERATION THEY'RE. SO TO BE CLEAR WHAT USE SPECIFICALLY SAYS IS THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO BUILD MULTIFAMILY LONG AS YOU DO IT IN A WAY THAT MAINTAINS SOME LEVEL OF COMMERCIAL FLOOR AREA SIMILAR TO OUR OTHER COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS TO MAKE IT MAYBE MAKE IT MAKE IT A SIMPLER THROUGH LINE IS THAT MAKING A MIXED USE ASSUMING YOUR MEETING CODE IS THAT SHOULD THAT BE ALLOWED AS A PERMITTED USE SITUATION OR SHOULD YOU HAVE TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A MIXED USE SCENARIO AND IF YOU WANT I CAN PULL UP THE MAP ON THAT ONE TOO. I THINK I'M OKAY OKAY . ANY OTHER ONES DISAGREE? THANK YOU CHAIR. I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE AT THE VERY END BUT UNDERSTANDING HOW WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS WOULD ACTUALLY GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING AND HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON EARLIER IF I WAS AN APPROPRIATE TIME OR PLACE. SO GROUPINGS OF TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS WAS THAT JUST WAS THAT ALREADY AMENDED DID THAT WE. WAS THERE A RECENT CHANGE ON THAT WHAT WAS THE RECENT CHANGE? YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONER CURRY SO THE RECENT WAS THAT GROUPINGS AS DEFINED OF WITHIN 500 FEET I BELIEVE SO WHEN THE CITY TRANSITIONED FROM MAKING TO FAMILY DWELLINGS A PERMITTED USE IN OUR ONE THEY WANTED ESTABLISH SOME ADDITIONAL DISCRETION AROUND TO DWELLINGS BEING GROUPED TOGETHER AND THEY DEFINED THAT WHEN THERE'S ONE WITHIN 500 FEET OF ANOTHER ONE THE INTENT OF THAT AS KIND OF ONE PER BLOCK AS JUST FLAT PERMITTED AND SO BASED ON THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE SO IT WAS THE GROUPING USE WAS ONLY ALLOWED US THROUGH A PLAN DEVELOPMENT MEANING YOU'D HAVE TO REZONE A SITE AND GET PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVAL THAT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT LEVEL OF DISCRETION AND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL FOR ANOTHER TWO FAMILY DWELLING. NO ONE NO ONE WOULD GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, PAY THAT AMOUNT OF FEES IN THAT TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND SO WHAT THIS RECOMMENDATION REALLY RELATES TO IS THAT UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO FAMILY DWELLINGS ARE ACCEPTABLE, CONSISTENT COMPATIBLE AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND SO STAFF WOULD JUST ELIMINATING THE TWO FAMILY GROUPING STANDARD OR DECREASING THE DISTANCE BY WHICH IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A GROUPING OR GOING TO A QUANTITY FACTOR IF THAT MAKES SENSE SAY THERE'S MORE THAN FIVE OR MORE THAN FOUR WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE RIGHT NOW IT'S AND FORGIVE ME I DIDN'T TELL THE FULL STORY ABOUT HOW IT CHANGED BUT PREVIOUSLY IT WAS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL THE RECENT R-1 ZONING CHANGES AND ZONING REFORM IT FROM A PLAN DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL TO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL AS OPPOSED TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT SO LOWER EASIER PROCESS LESS COSTLY BUT IN STAFF'S JUDGMENT JUST BASED ON OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DIRECTIONALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH HOUSING, WE JUST DON'T THINK THAT ADDITIONAL IS NEEDED TO BUILD ANOTHER TWO FAMILY DWELLING ON A BLOCK THAT HAS ONE SO IT'S EITHER A DISTANCE ISSUE WELL IT'S A ELIMINATE THAT ALTOGETHER WOULD BE OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATION. IF THE CITY IS NOT COMFORTABLE DOING THAT THEN WE WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBER OF THEM THAT CONSTITUTES A GROUPING OR OR REDUCE THE DISTANCE SAY ON RIGHT NEXT AND ON WHATEVER. YEAH OKAY WELL I GUESS I WOULD BE I MEAN I'D BE OKAY I DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT ELIMINATING OR MAKING THIS ENTIRELY PERMITTED. I MEAN HONESTLY I DON'T I IT'S TOUGH TO IT IS TOUGH TO MAKE THE FINANCIAL MAKE A FINANCIAL SENSE OUT OF DUPLEXES. I THINK FOR DEVELOPERS YOU KNOW I THINK MY MAIN COUPLE IN A ROW MIGHT BE OKAY A GROUPING OF TWO BUT LIKE A POTENTIALLY IF LET'S JUST SAY AN AREA OF TOWN VALUE THE PROPERTY VALUES GO DOWN AND YOU CAN REDEVELOP AN ENTIRE AREA OR FOR YOU KNOW FOUR HOUSES IN A ROW OR SOMETHING AND PARKING DOESN'T SUPPORT IT . THAT WOULD BE I MEAN I DON'T KNOW I JUST SEE THAT AS BEING A POTENTIAL CONCERN FOR RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA OR POTENTIALLY CHANGING BLOCK VERY QUICKLY . MR. JOHNSON WITH THE DEVELOPMENT WE SAW UPON AN 86TH FALL UNDER THIS NO CHAIR THAT TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT AND INVOLVED REZONING DA THREE OKAY YEAH THESE ARE STAND ALONE AND TO BE CLEAR AND MAYBE PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT YOU HAVE TO MEET INDIVIDUAL AREA REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE R-1 ZONING DISTRICT TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR A TWO FAMILY. SO ON THAT PARTICULAR SITE FOR EXAMPLE THEY WEREN'T THEY ARE PLANNING INDIVIDUAL LOTS THE TOWNHOME UNITS BUT IT'S NOT A PER SITE BASIS IF THAT MAKES SENSE PER UNIT LIKE IT IS WITH TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIKE 11,000 SQUARE FEET PER TWO FAMILY DWELLING FOR AN INTERIOR LOT 13,000 SOME AND FOR A CORNER LOT AND I MEAN I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER STATEMENT ABOUT THE MARKET CHALLENGES OF DEVELOPING DUPLEXES AND WE'RE NOT WE HAVE SEEN SOME MOVEMENT AND WE'RE YOU KNOW ENCOURAGED HOPEFULLY SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THAT SPACE BUT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE I THINK IT'S KIND OF A WHAT'S THE RIGHT I WAS GOING TO I HAD AN A GOOD PHRASE FOR IT IT'S A SOLUTION LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM KIND OF THING JUST LIKE THE SCENARIO THAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING IS THERE'S A VERY LOW PERCENTAGE OUTCOME POSSIBLY BUT I MEAN NEVER SAY NEVER IN THE SCHEME. THANK YOU. YEAH I GUESS I'M JUST THINKING IN MY MIND FOR INSTANCE THE SELF-MANAGED STORE WE LIVED IN A DUPLEX FOR AND OWNED A DUPLEX FOR 13 YEARS LIKE WE HAD ONE AND THEN WE WERE WITHIN AN ENTIRE BLOCK OR YOU KNOW ONE BLOCK DOWN THERE IS MAYBE TWO NEXT TO EACH OTHER RIGHT? BUT THEN FOUR BLOCKS AWAY THERE'S BASICALLY AN ENTIRE ROW OF DUPLEXES AND THAT THAT BLOCK JUST KIND OF DID NOT HAVE THE SAME WASN'T MAINTAINED AS WELL LET'S SAY. RIGHT SO I JUST DON'T KNOW YOU KNOW IF YOU IF YOU'RE ABLE TO START GROUPING THEM IF THAT AFFECTS PROPERTY VALUES IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA AND THEN I DON'T KNOW IT CAN FIT SONS BLOCKS IN THE WRONG DIRECTION SO I DON'T KNOW THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THINKING ABOUT WHICH. MR. GOTTESMAN THANK YOU. I THINK A COUPLE COMMENTS THAT I WAS JUST WRITING DOWN HERE IS FROM MY MY MEMORY THERE WAS A YOU TALKED ABOUT DISTANCE, RIGHT THE DISTANCE AND IT WAS 500 FEET AS THE CROW FLIES. NOPE, NOT ANYMORE. NO IT'S IT'S MEASURED ALONG STREETS LONG STREET. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH SO THINKING ABOUT THAT I JUST I THINK WE HAVE TO WEIGH, YOU KNOW, THE CHARACTER AND AND YOU KNOW, THE VIBRANCY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS BUT ALSO THE HOUSING CHALLENGES THAT WE ENVISION. AND I, I ACKNOWLEDGED COMMISSIONER CURRIE'S CONCERNS ,BUT I THINK THE CITY HAS OTHER LOVERS TO PULL ON MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY FROM A LANDSCAPING MOWING, YOU KNOW, SCAPE SHOVELING AS WELL AS IF IF I WAS AN OWNER OF THOSE DUPLEXES THINKING ABOUT WHO MY TENANTS WOULD BE MARKET CONDITIONS WOULD BE IMPACTED OBVIOUSLY WITH MAINTENANCE. SO I AM MORE INCLINED TO MEET THIS PERMITTED THEN NOT JUST FOR THE YOU KNOW WEIGHING YOUR PROS AND CONS LOOKING AT THE HOUSING PIECE IS IS ONE OF OUR OBJECTIVES AS A CITY AND THIS IS A WAY TO REDUCE BARRIER BUT I SEE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN AS WELL SO I THINK TRICKY AND CHAIR IF I CAN MAKE ONE LAST COMMENT ABOUT THAT AND THIS IS ANECDOTAL OF COURSE BUT WITHIN THE LAST FIVE THAT I THINK I KNOW HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN BLOOMINGTON AND LET ME JUST SAY I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD CHANGE THE DECISION WAY OR THE OTHER. JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT I GUESS IS THAT THE FIVE THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED HAVE ALL BEEN OWNERSHIP. THEY'VE SPLIT THEM. IT'S TWO OWNERS AND I KNOW THAT THERE YOU KNOW YOU KNOW I KNOW SOME PEOPLE YOU KNOW I'M NOT SUGGESTING YOU OR ANYONE ELSE IS MALIGNING RENTERS BUT YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY SOMETIMES THAT CAN HAVE A WELL I'LL STOP THERE THE POINT IS IS THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S SAFE TO ASSUME WHAT THE OCCUPANCY TYPE IS ON THE BASIS OF THE USE IN BLOOMINGTON BECAUSE YOU CAN SPLIT LOTS DOWN THE MIDDLE AND ACTUALLY SELL THEM SEPARATELY BUT WE ALSO NEED MORE RENTAL HOUSING. THANK YOU. THERE YOU GO, MR. CURRY THANK YOU, CHAIR SO IS THAT ACTUALLY A TWO FAMILY DWELLING THEN IF THERE'S IF THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS OR INDIVIDUALLY OWNED PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT CHAIR MR. CURRY IT IS BECAUSE IT HAS A SHARED WALL YES. OR IS AN OVER UNDER SITUATION LESS FREQUENTLY WOULD BE A OWNERSHIP SITUATION BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME KIND OF CONDO PLAT OR COMPLEX OWNERSHIP SITUATION AND OVER UNDER BUT ON THE SIDE BY SIDES THEY SPLIT THE THAT THERE'S AN INTERNAL LINE DOWN THE SHARED WALL AND IT STILL IS A TWO FAMILY DWELLING PROCESSING AND PER ZONING AND ALL THOSE WOULD JUST BE LIKE A CONDO BUT INSTEAD LIKE A MORE OF A MULTI-FAMILY CONDO A LOT MORE UNITS BUT IT'D JUST BE TWO INSTEAD OF CONDO SOLUTION ONLY BE NEEDED IF IT WAS A OVER UNDER VERTICAL SOLUTION IF IT'S A SIDE BY SIDE AND YOU CAN NEATLY PUT A PROPERTY LINE DOWN THE MIDDLE OF IT IT'S ACTUALLY TWO DISTINCT PARCELS SO NOT A CONDO IT'S JUST A A TYPICAL LOT OF RECORD. OKAY THANKS. YEP . FROM CAN WE DISCUSS ITEM FIVE. YES. CAN YOU REMIND ME THE DEFINITION OF CONGREGATE LIVING FACILITY? YES WE'RE YEAH WE HAVE A WHOLE ITEM DEDICATED THAT AFTER THIS ONE AND THE CONGREGATE LIVING IS A VERY BROAD UMBRELLA OF KIND OF SUB USES UNDERNEATH IT I CAN PULL UP THE DEFINITION BUT IT'S BASICALLY GROUP LIVING FACILITIES THAT HAVE SOME TYPE OF SHARED AMENITIES SO SHARED DINING SHARED OTHER COMMON SPACES IT CAN BE WITH SERVICES OR WITHOUT SERVICES BUT HAPPY TO UP THE DEFINITION OF THAT USE BUT BASICALLY THE INTENT OF THIS SUGGESTED CHANGE IS TO KIND OF TREAT CONGREGATE AND WE HAVE A SEPARATE DEFINITION OF RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY I SHOULD MENTION WHICH GLENN POINTED OUT TO ME EARLIER TONIGHT IS CUSTODIAL CARE RIGHT? BUT BASICALLY OUR IDEA IS THAT IT FROM A REGULATORY STANDPOINT MULTI MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS A PERMITTED USE AND ALL OF OUR MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE KYRA IT LIVING IS SIMILAR AND SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME AND I WILL GET YOU THAT DEFINITION SORRY THE TYPE OF HOUSING WHICH OCCUPANTS SHARE COMMON DINING ,RECREATIONAL ROOM, FOOD SERVICE OR OTHER FACILITIES NOT LIMITED TO BOARDING HOUSES, LODGING HOUSES, ASSISTED LIVING SHELTERS AND CONFERENCE DOES NOT INCLUDE BED AND BREAKFAST RESORTS, VACATION HOMES, CRASH PADS, MULTIPLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, TEMPORARY PANDEMIC HOUSING. FORGIVE ME FOR READING IT OUT LOUD. THANK YOU. CAN YOU BACK TO THE THAT THE TABLE? YEAH YEAH. SORRY ABOUT THAT. MY COMPUTER'S ACTING FUNNY AND I THINK ON THIS ONE I'M INCLINED TO KEEP IT CONDITIONAL AND I VIEW IT THROUGH THE LENS AS PROTECTION FOR THE POTENTIAL RESIDENTS. I'D LIKE TO SEE IT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN THESE. I THINK THE MODERN TAKE OF THESE THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW AND MAYBE START TO SEE THEM MAYBE WE WON'T BUT I THINK AS WE START TO SEE THIS AS KIND OF AN EMERGING HOUSING TYPE I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM IN AND BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME ABILITY TO PUT CONDITIONS ON THEM AS PROTECTION FOR THE RESIDENTS, I THINK FORGIVE ME FOR THAT 1/2 I'M JUST GOING TO TRY AND RESHARE MY SCREEN HERE. I GOT SOME TECHNICAL ISSUE BUT I DID HEAR WHAT YOU WERE SAYING KEEP IT AS CONDITIONAL AND I'M SEEING SOME HIDDEN THOSE THERE. COMMISSIONER HOLTZMAN YES, I WOULD AGREE I HAVE ONE OR TWO DOORS DOWN FROM MY HOME AND THEY'RE RESPECTFUL AND WE WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES BUT THE PRIOR MANAGEMENT COMPANY PRIOR TO THE ONE THAT'S RUNNING IT NOW WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THEM AND SO I THINK JUST BEING AWARE AND UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTS WOULD BE HELPFUL HELPFUL. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT ONE. I WILL SIR FOR TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY HERE COMMISSIONER YOU SAID OH YEAH NO I SO THANK YOU CHAIR. I JUST WANT I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU GUYS IF YOU COULD ELABORATE SOME OF THE POTENTIAL ISSUES DO YOU MEAN RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENT NO, I MEAN RESIDENTS IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF DEVELOPING SURE THEY HAVE ENOUGH SPACE AND I'M SURE SOME OF THIS WOULD BE CODE REQUIRED AND ALL THAT STUFF BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE WHAT THESE ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND HAVE THE ABILITY TALK TO THE APPLICANT AND PERHAPS PUT CONDITIONS ON SOMETHING TO MAKE IT A LIVABLE FACILITY FOR ITS TENANTS. I UNDERSTOOD AND I THINK COMMISSIONER GROSSMAN, YOU MEANT I FOR THE RESIDENTS LIVING CLOSE TO IT SO SEPARATE OKAY OKAY. CORRECT GOOD. THANK YOU FOR THAT ONE. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT WAS THE ARE FOREARM 12 OR 2450 OR 100 AND WE DID NOT SUGGEST TO INEPTITUDE. SO YOU WANT TO KEEP IT CONDITIONAL ON THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS? GOT IT. OKAY. MYSTERIES I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT BUT I WOULD KEEP OR CHANGE IT TO PERMITTED JUST BECAUSE I THINK YOU KNOW A BIG PRIORITY IS HOUSING AND IF THIS DOES ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE HOUSING SHORTAGES OR YOU KNOW FOR FOR EXAMPLE ONE OF THE THINGS I SAW WAS ASSISTED LIVING. I KNOW THERE'S QUITE A FEW THE CITY AND IF THE CODE RIGHT NOW DOES REQUIRE THERE LIKE A YOU KNOW THERE'S SOME SORT OF CONDITIONS WHERE YOU ALREADY HAVE TO DO I THINK IT'D BE UNNECESSARY KEEP IT CONDITIONAL I MEAN ADD MORE I GUESS RED TAPE THAT'S MY OPINION OR THEIR USE STANDARDS OR OTHER ASSOCIATED WITH THESE. THANK YOU CHAIR THERE ARE TWO STANDARDS WE CERTAINLY CAN PULL THOSE UP AND REVIEW THEM TO GIVE YOU A FLAVOR OF THEM BUT AS A SIDE COMMENT AND KIND OF WHAT IT RELATES TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA TWO IS JUST THAT THIS USE DEFINITION INCLUDES A VERY BROAD SPECTRUM OF USES AND I HESITATE TO WANT TO ADD MORE PAGES TO THE ZONING CODE BUT IT MIGHT BE A SCENARIO THAT YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO KIND OF EVALUATE HOW WE'RE DEFINING THESE DIFFERENT USES AND. THINK ABOUT MAYBE YOU KNOW DIVIDING IT UP A LITTLE BIT INTO A FEW USES THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT CHARACTER CHARACTERISTICS USE CHARACTERISTICS OR WHATNOT BUT YES THERE IS THERE IS USE STANDARDS I FORGET OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT WHAT THE USE STANDARDS INCLUDE BUT IT'S TYPICAL I THINK IT'S SIMILAR TO A MULTIFAMILY WITH A LITTLE BIT EXTRA SO YEAH NO I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD IF THERE ARE ISSUES THAT THE OWNER YOU KNOW CODE VIOLATIONS THEN IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER COMMISSIONER ALTMAN WHERE YOU KNOW IF IT IT IS MORE PRIORITIZING THE FOLKS WHO NEED HOUSING VERSUS VERSUS I GUESS THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE'S ALREADY LIKE CULVERTS IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THE GRASS IS CUT SHORT AND YOU KNOW VARIOUS DIFFERENT CODES I THINK IT WOULD I THINK THE IT WOULD BE BETTER TO PRIORITIZE HOUSING BASICALLY LONG STORY SHORT SO YEAH GOOD CIRCLES YEAH THANK YOU CHAIR YOU KNOW I AGREE AND I THINK HAVING A CATEGORIZATION OF THE TYPE MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. SO AS YOU KNOW I MENTIONED I HAVE ONE TWO DOORS DOWN FROM MY HOME AND IT'S IT'S NOT CODE VIOLATIONS PER SE BUT WITH THIS LOCATION IN OUR IT'S A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS NOT A THROUGH STREET THERE IS STAFF THAT CONSTANTLY COMING IN AND OUT SO IT INCREASES TRAFFIC MY STREET THE THE PARKING ON MY STREET AS WELL IS IMPACTED BECAUSE MOST OF THE STAFF NEEDS TO PARK ON THE STREET VERSUS THE DRIVEWAY AGAIN NOT CODE VIOLATION BECAUSE WE CAN WE CAN PARK ON THE STREET AND WE ALSO HAVE EMERGENCY THAT COME AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK BECAUSE THERE'S A MEDICAL YOU KNOW, INCIDENT OR SOMETHING HAPPENS. AND SO IT DOES IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S NOT IN A NOT SO MUCH A WAY BUT YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S TRAFFIC FROM PEOPLE COMING IN GOING ON THAT DON'T LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT MAKES SO IT'S NOT AS SAFE PLACE FOR MY KIDS TO YOU KNOW RIDE THEIR SCOOTERS AND BIKES AND SO IT DOES IMPACT US THEY'RE RESPECTFUL. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES BUT JUST BEING MINDFUL THAT DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF FACILITY IT CAN IMPACT THE RESIDENTS AND THAT'S WHY I THINK MAKING IT CONDITIONAL AT LEAST GIVES THE THE RIDENTS A SAY IN SOME OF SITUATIONS. SO. MR. CURRY THANK YOU CHAIR. I GUESS I'D WONDER HOW MANY I GUESS WHERE OUR FORUM 12 SIT IN THE CITY I MEAN THAT'S A NUMBER DISTRICTS BUT OUR FOUR PROBABLY BEING THE ONE THAT'S CLOSEST TO OUR ONE. YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONER CURRY SO THANKS FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION. I WAS GOING TO DIGRESS AGAIN AND INTERRUPT FORGIVE ME I'M SORRY CHAIR BUT ONE OF THE THINGS TO BE AWARE OF IS THAT THERE ARE SOME RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITIES AS WELL AS CONGREGATE LIVING FACILITIES IN OUR ONE ZONE THEY'RE JUST OLDER PROPERTIES THAT HAVE EXISTED FOR A LONG TIME I DON'T KNOW SPECIFIC TO YOUR THE ONE THAT'S CLOSE TO YOU BUT STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING TO MAKE THE ONES THAT ARE IN OUR ONE PERMITTED WE'RE ONLY RECOMMENDING TO MAKE THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS. THESE SITES TEND TO BE LOCATED MORE UNCOLLECTED IN ARTERIAL STREETS AND YOU KNOW AS OPPOSED TO KIND OF THE SITUATION THAT COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN WAS DESCRIBING THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY SOMETIMES DON'T HAVE SECONDARY ACCESS TO LOCAL ROADS AND THAT THERE CAN'T BE YOU KNOW, ADJACENT IMPACTS. THERE CERTAINLY CAN BE. I'LL PULL UP I CAN'T CUE INTO THE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS BUT FOR THE MOST PART THEY'RE LOCATED ON ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR ROADWAYS AND OTHER HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AREAS. IS THERE A PARTICULAR DISTRICT YOU WANTED ME TO LOOK INTO? FOR EXAMPLE I WOULD START WITH OUR R FOR FOR THERE WE GO. SO THIS GIVES YOU A KIND OF FLAVOR THERE'S A NUMBER OF OUR FOUR PROPERTIES AND OUR FOUR FOUR CONTEXT IS OUR PREVIOUS OR OLDER RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRESSES YOU SOME ALONG OLD CEDAR AVENUE SOUTH SOME ALONG 12TH THERE AND KIND OF THIS OFFICE AND MORE MULTIFAMILY AREA CLOSER TO AMERICAN BOULEVARD. THERE'S SOME OLD YOU KNOW, KIND OF MORE HISTORIC MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES IN NICOLLET 90TH NICOLLET AND 86TH SO SOME ALONG THERE THERE'S A FEW ALONG OR TRACK B 98TH STREET AND THERE'S A FEW PAN AS WELL. SO YEAH THEY TO BE OLDER MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES IN TOWN AND I CAN ON THE FLY INTERSECT WHICH ONES ARE CONGREGATE LIVING SITES BUT MOST OF THEM ARE MULTIFAMILY SO IT'S NOT CONCRETE LIVING NATURE SO CONGREGATE LIVING FACILITIES SERVING FIVE OR MORE PERSONS IS THAT PER UNIT OR I'M ASSUMING THAT'S PER UNIT OR SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S THE TOTAL ELEMENT. YEAH. SO DOES THAT INCREASE IS THAT AN AND I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK HOW THAT AFFECTS IF ONE OF THOSE LARGER PARCELS GETS CONVERTED INTO THAT USE. I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT HOW THAT WORKS WITH COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN'S CONCERNS. COMMISSIONER HOLTZMAN THANK YOU CHAIR. I THINK YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT THE PARCELS, HAVING THE CLARIFICATION THAT IT'S AN ART FOR ART FOR ARM 12, ARM 24 I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE MY SITUATION THE R ONE WHICH HAS DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS. SO I THINK I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE IT CHANGES MY VIEW ON WHERE WE'RE ALLOWING THIS AND I FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT AS IT STANDS. SO I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP. YOU BET. I WOULD SAY I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF KEEPING IT AS PERMITTED AS PROTECTION FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE FACILITY THAT WANT TO SEE THESE APPLICATIONS AND SEE THAT THEY'RE GETTING REASONABLE HOUSING BUT TOURISM . AND SO WITH THIS WHEN IT SAYS WHEN THE CONDITIONAL USE CODE OR WHEN THE CODE SAYS CITY CONGREGATE LIVING FACILITIES SERVING FIVE OR MORE RESIDENT PERSONS IS IT ACTIVE PEOPLE LIVING THERE OR IS IT LIKE YOU KNOW SOME FACILITIES ARE LICENSED FOR FIVE AND OR MORE WOULD IT BE BASICALLY PEOPLE LIVING THERE OR WHAT IT'S LICENSED FOR IF IT'S LIKE A LICENSE PROGRAM? YES. SO CHAIR COMMISSIONER YOU SAID JUST TO MAKE SURE I CLARIFY YOUR QUESTION DO YOU MEAN THAT DO THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO BE LIKE REGISTERED IN SOME WAY OR DO YOU MEAN I GUESS HOW WOULD HOW WOULD THE CITY BE ABLE KNOW THAT IT'S FIVE OR MORE PEOPLE LIVING THERE? YEAH GOOD. SO WITH A LOT OF THESE SITES THE CITY DOES MAINTAIN A RENTAL LICENSE. THEY DO ANNUAL RENTAL INSPECTIONS KIND OF TO THAT POINT ABOUT KNOW OBVIOUSLY THE EXTERIOR SITES ARE SUBJECT TO CODE COMPLIANCE AND CODE ENFORCEMENT ON DIFFERENT LEVELS. WE TALKED ABOUT WEEDS AND GRASS AND A VERY COMMON ONE OF COURSE OR YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC THINGS COME UP WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT FOR THE MOST PART A LOT OF THESE SITES ARE INSPECTED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AS PART OF THEIR RENTAL LICENSE AS WELL SO THAT'S WHAT SOME OF THE LICENSING IS HAS TO DO WITH THAT. I THINK WHAT IT'S IN A WAY ATTEMPTING TO DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM IS PROBABLY SMALLER GROUP HOMES THAT DON'T MEET THE DEFINITION OF A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY. I CAN'T THINK IN MY MIND EXACTLY PRECISELY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BUT UNDER STATE LAW THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC GROUP HOMES THAT FALL UNDER CERTAIN LICENSE TYPES AND PER ZONING CODE THOSE ARE RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES BUT THERE'S A FEW GROUP HOMES KIND WITHOUT SERVICES THAT FALL UNDER THAT STATE STATUTE THAT MIGHT FALL UNDER THIS CONGREGATE LIVING CARE. I DON'T KNOW MAYBE I'M OFF BASE ON THAT BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M ABOUT IN MY MIND. DO THAT HELP ANSWER SHED A LITTLE MORE LIGHT. I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT NEXT WITH THAT. ALSO BEFORE THE ASSAULT SRO STANDARD OR IS IT BASED OFF? YEAH, THE SRO REGULATIONS ARE A LITTLE MUDDY RIGHT NOW SO WELL I CAN KIND OF DESCRIBE SOME DIFFERENT WAYS BUT YEAH I MEAN ANY PLACE HAS ANY PLACE THAT'S RENTING DWELLINGS, RESIDENCY TO PEOPLE IS SUBJECT TO A RENTAL LICENSE IN BLOOMINGTON THERE'S VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS LIKE ONLY RENTING TO A FAMILY MEMBER I THINK IS AN EXCEPTION SO FOR THE MOST PART MOST PROPERTIES THAT HAVE PEOPLE RESIDING WHERE THEY DON'T OWN THE BUILDING OR THE DWELLING IT'S GOING TO BE A RENTAL SUBJECT TO THE CITY'S RENTAL HOUSING PROGRAM. THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. YEAH COMMISSIONER GARY SORRY I'M GOING TO CHANGE TOPIC I GUESS MAYBE I SHOULD WAIT. DID YOU GET A TEMPERATURE OF WE WERE AT WITH THAT ONE? NOT REALLY I THINK I THINK THE MOMENTUM MIGHT HAVE SWUNG IT BACK TOWARDS PERMITTED BUT YOU DID REGISTER A CONCERN CHAIR COOK DOWN WHICH I UNDERSTAND I WAS FEELING THE MOMENTUM SWING BUT MR. GROSSMAN I THINK THIS IS ONE THAT WE COULD BRING TO COUNCIL I WAS KIND OF SPLIT SURE IT WAS A GREAT THANK CHAIR AND I WE'LL LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS IN THE SRO OR HAVE SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NECESSARILY EVEN NEED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT BUT JUST SOMETHING TO HOLD ON POTENTIALLY. SURE. THAT CERTAINLY MAKES SENSE. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. WAS THERE ANY OTHER WAS WAS WAS THERE ANY OTHER ONES THAT PEOPLE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT? I KNOW WE'RE PUSHING 9:00 HERE WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD UNIT DEVELOPMENT PLAN. I'M GOING TO LET YOU EXPLAIN THAT ONE. IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD BASICALLY. YEAH. SO LONG HISTORY ON THAT ONE IF YOU WANT TO GO INTO IT. BUT I CLEARED MY SCHEDULE. THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME IN BLOOMINGTON'S HISTORY I IN THE EIGHTIES WHERE THERE WAS A 4 TO 3 DICHOTOMY AND THE CITY COUNCIL AND A LOT OF ZONING WERE MADE AT THAT TIME THAT HAVE RIPPLE EFFECTS AND TODAY AND THIS WAS ONE OF IN ORDER THAT SOME DEVELOPMENTS WOULD NOT NEED FIVE VOTES AND WOULD INSTEAD NEED FOUR VOTES AND THE COUNCIL KNEW PROCEDURES WERE CREATED . SO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS ONE OF THOSE PROCEDURES AND WE'VE GOTTEN RID OF THAT AS A YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY NEW NEIGHBORHOOD UNIT DEVELOPMENTS BUT WE HAVE I THINK I DON'T KNOW 1011 EXIST IN NEIGHBORHOOD UNIT DEVELOPMENTS THEY'RE SIMILAR TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS BUT THERE ARE SOME NUANCED DIFFERENCES MADE THEM CONDITIONAL USES RATHER THAN REQUIRING REZONING AND THAT DEALT WITH THAT 4 TO 3 DICHOTOMY SO WE DID NOT WANT TO GO BACK AND REZONE ALL OF THESE SITES TO PLAN DEVELOPMENTS AT THIS POINT. SO WE KEPT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT BUT WE'RE SAYING THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD UNIT DEVELOPMENTS ALLOWED. BUT IN THEORY ONE OF THESE NEIGHBORHOOD UNIT DEVELOPMENTS MAY WANT TO MAKE A LITTLE TWEAK AND THEN THE QUESTION IS DO WE WANT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THAT? DON'T WE GLEN? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY TWEAK SUBDIVIDE ANOTHER LOT OR OR CHANGE A LOT LINE IS A LOW LIKELIHOOD BUT IN THEORY THERE COULD BE AN AMENDMENT MAYBE CHANGE THREE OR TWO LOTS INTO THREE LOTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND SOME VERY LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR. CURRY FEATURE 11 TENNIS COURTS I WOULD WONDER IF PEOPLE WOULD GO CRAZY IF IT BECAME EASY OR SIMPLE TO PASS A PICKLEBALL COURT IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD LIKE NEIGHBORS MIGHT WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THAT BEFORE AND SO I, I WOULD QUESTION PERMITTING LIKE THE INSTALLATION OF PICKLEBALL COURTS IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO LOUD. MR. JONES IS THIS WHERE WE HAD YOU STANDARDS? WE HAVE THE CHAIR SO WE HAVE SPORT COURT STANDARD IT'S BUT IT'S THERE'S NO IT'S A PERMITTED ACCESSORY. IT'S A PERMITTED USE ACCESSORY TO A SINGLE FAMILY. AND SO I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE A FORMAL DEFINITION FOR A TENNIS COURT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD INCLUDE PICKLEBALL. I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THAT. SO MY HEAD IS AT WITH IT IS THAT IF WE WANT TO PUT THE CITY WANTS TO PUT GREATER RESTRICTION ON PICKLEBALL, THAT TOOL IS NOT CURRENTLY IN THE CODE . NOW TODAY FROM MY WE CERTAINLY COULD LOOK UP THE DEFINITIONS TO SEE IF OTHER RACKET SPORTS ARE SWEPT UP IN THE TENNIS COURT DEFINITION BUT I DOUBT IT BUT SORRY SPORT CRTS DO HAVE USE STANDARDS. THEY DO. IT'S FAIRLY LIMITED. IT'S MOSTLY ABOUT SETBACKS AND COMPLIANCE WITH IMPERVIOUS SURFACE REQUIREMENTS. THEY CAN'T BE IN FRONT YARDS. SURE. SO IT'S LOCATIONAL I THINK SETBACKS IS THE KEY AND THAT COMMISSIONER CURRY SO A TENNIS COURT FALLS UNDER A SPORT COURT WHICH HAS A SET BACK REQUIREMENT. OKAY. SO DOES THAT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR I GUESS WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR PICKLEBALL COURTS? ARE THEY CURRENTLY CHAIR COMMISSIONER CURRY SOMEONE SUBMITTED A PERMIT FOR A SPORT COURT TOMORROW AND MET ALL OF OUR SETBACK AND LOCATIONAL IMPERVIOUS SURFACE REQUIREMENTS AND THEY PUT PICKLEBALL IN AND COURT THERE. THERE WOULD BE NO TO STOP THAT OUTCOME OR. OKAY TODAY ALL RIGHT SO ON YOU KNOW THANK YOU I FOR ANECDOTALLY I CAN'T I AGREE THAT I'D SAY IT'S MORE LIKELY SOMEONE WOULD INSTALL A PICKLEBALL COURT TODAY A TENNIS COURT TODAY I WOULD SAY BUT I CAN'T IN MY TIME HERE I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S BUILT ANY PRIVATE TENNIS COURTS IN MY TIME HERE IT'S PRETTY RARE ANYWAY. FORGIVE ME THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON THAT ONE. YEAH. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T I'M JUST CAN SEE PEOPLE GETTING ANNOYED WITH PICKLEBALL COURTS IN THE BACKYARD IF THEY'RE PERMANENTLY INSTALLED. SO THAT'S THAT'S ALL IT'S A KRISHER COURIER YOUR POSITION IS YOU'D LIKE THAT TO BE OR REMAIN AS CONDITIONAL. WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S ALREADY PERMITTED SPORT COURTS . THAT WOULD BE MY NOW TODAY AS IT STANDS AND WE DON'T I DID CHECK THE DEFINITION AS WE DON'T DEFINE TENNIS COURT IN OUR CODE SO MINUS OR WITHOUT A BASED DEFINITION WE WOULD JUST UTILIZE A COMMON YOU KNOW BE A DICTIONARY SO OKAY THANK YOU. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON ITEMS OR OTHER ITEMS WE'VE SEEN THIS EVENING ? BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I HAVE ONE LAST TOPIC TO ASK YOU ABOUT SO MAYBE MORE DIFFICULT FOR COMMISSIONER YOU SAY AND MCGOVERN WHO WERE ABLE TO ATTEND THE FIRST ONE. BUT WE PRESENTED TO YOU THAT THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON DOES NOT HAVE A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION PROCESS AND THAT CURRENTLY TO GET AN EXCEPTION TO ZONING RULES IF IT'S RELATED TO A MATTER THAT INFORMS OR SOMEONE'S ABILITY TO ACCESS CITY SERVICES OR HOUSING, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A VARIANCE PROCESS WHICH IS AN TOOL TO DEAL WITH A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION. WE FELT LIKE WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS TO YOU WE HAD KIND OF INFORMATION TO GO WITH THAT BUT IT WAS KIND OF UNCLEAR IN THE RECORD. SO JUST FOR CLARITY I JUST WANTED TO COLLECT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION EITHER IN FAVOR OR AGAINST ESTABLISHING A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION PROCESS AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE BOTH OF YOU THERE'S THE SO AMERICANS WITH ACCESS TO BETTER WITH DISABILITIES ACT AND THE FEDERAL FAIR HOUSING ACT OF I BELIEVE 88 REQUIRES PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES ACCESS TO AND CITY SERVICES BASICALLY SO THERE ARE A FEW CITIES OUT THERE THAT HAVE ESTABLISHED AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS EITHER APPROVED BY THE CITY MANAGER OR THE COMMITTEE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR OR WHOEVER KIND OF THE RELEVANT PERSON IS WHO IT RELATES TO THE WHEREIN THEY HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION. WE'VE HAD A FEW SITUATIONS RELATED TO FENCING FOR EXAMPLE WITH SAY CHILDREN WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES OR WHO MIGHT YOU KNOW, WANDER AWAY FROM HOME FOR EXAMPLE OR SITUATIONS THIS WOULD APPLY AND TO THE POINT ABOUT HOW ZONING OR THE VARIANCE IS AN TOOL VARIANCES RUN WITH THE LAND AS OPPOSED TO A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION RELATES TO THE RESIDENT. SO MR. JOHNSON I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND SO IN THE EXAMPLE OF I HAVE A CHILD WITH DISABILITIES AND I REALLY WOULD LIKE A FULL FULLY NONTRANSPARENT FENCE OR WHATEVER WHAT WHAT IS IT WHERE ARE WE AT TODAY? WHERE ARE WE PROPOSING TO GO? THANK YOU CHAIR WHERE AT TODAY IS THAT ON A FEW OCCASIONS THE CITY HAS APPROVED VARIANCES TO RESOLVE THAT SITUATION OR I DON'T KNOW MAYBE MAYBE NOT BUT OR SAID YOU KNOW IT DOESN'T MEET THE FENCE AND MAYBE IT STOPPED THERE MAYBE THEY DIDN'T DON'T WANT TO GO WITH THAT BUT WHERE WHERE WE WANT TO TAKE IT IS THAT IF THERE IS A PERSON WHO IS HAS MERIT FOR A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION UNDER ADA AND THE FAIR HOUSING LAW IS THAT THEY COULD SEEK THAT ACCOMMODATION AND THROUGH A FORMAL PROCESS THEY HAVE TO APPLY THEY HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE HOW THE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING ARE ADDRESSES THEIR DISABILITY AND THAT WOULD BE FILED OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE DATA SENSITIVITY. I MEAN THERE'S THINGS LIKE THAT OF THAT NATURE BUT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH A VARIANCE PROCESS WHICH IS AGAIN SUBJECT TO UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES AND PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES AND YOU KNOW HAVING A DISABILITY IS NOT A CIRCUMSTANCE OF THE PROPERTY NOT CREATED BY THE LANDOWNER, JUST THE FINDINGS DON'T ALIGN WITH THOSE SITUATIONS. SO THE PROPOSAL HERE IS TO ELIMINATE THE BURDEN OF HAVING TO GO THROUGH A VARIANCE PROCESS IT'S SOMETHING THAT BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY. CORRECT. THANK YOU, MR. GOLTZMAN. THE CHAIR DOES THIS ALSO CONSIDER YOU MENTIONED IT GOES WITH THE LAND SO IF THAT PERSON TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION AND VARIANCE IS IN PLACE LET'S JUST SAY THERE'S A LARGE FENCE RIGHT WE'LL JUST THAT AS AN EXAMPLE THEN THE LARGE FENCE COULD CONTINUE TO EXIST EVEN THOUGH THAT PERSON NO LONGER LIVES IN THAT HOUSE OR IT IS IN PERPETUITY THEY COULD GO AND BUILD ANOTHER FENCE IN ANOTHER LOCATION WHERE LIVING NOW AND I MEAN THEY COULD WE COULD POTENTIALLY JUST SNOWBALL THAT THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY VERSUS NOW WITH THIS WE'RE SAYING IF THEY MOVE WE WOULD HAVE A LEVER TO REMOVE THAT FENCE FROM THE OLD LOCATION AND THEN THEY WOULD BUILD IN THE NEW LOCATION. YEAH. CHAIR MR. GOLTZMAN SO AND I'M NOT ASKING KEVIN TO JOIN THIS CONVERSATION NOW. YEAH, BUT I THINK I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH ABOUT LIKE WHAT THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH THAT AS A CITY IS OBVIOUSLY THAT INVOLVES SUBSTANTIAL COST IN SOME WAYS TO REMOVE A STRUCTURE LIKE THAT AND SO THAT WE I THINK WE NEED TO DIG IN TO MORE WHAT LEVERS THE CITY HAS TO KIND OF AMELIORATE OR RAMP UP ON A REASONABLE COMBINATION IS ALONG UNNECESSARY AT A PROPERTY AND KIND OF EVALUATE WHAT HAZARDS ARE TO HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE ETC. ETC. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THE I BELIEVE THE FENCE THOSE OTHER SITES COULD REMAIN AND RUN WITH THE LAND TURKINGTON COMMISSIONER AND WE HAVE A TAX ON SET CONDITIONS IN THOSE CASES WHERE WE APPROVE THE VARIANCE THAT VARIANCE ONLY IS IN EFFECT AT SUCH TIME THAT THE PERSON LIVES AT THAT SO WE ARE ABLE TO DO THROUGH THE VARIANCE MEASURE IS A HOW WOULD THIS APPLY TO FOR EXAMPLE I'VE SEEN THIS SOMEONE THAT LIVES THAT IS DISABLED THAT LIVES IN A HOME AND THEY'RE BECAME DISABLED EITHER WELL BASICALLY THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO DRIVE IN THEIR CAR ANYMORE AND IT'S PART IN THE LOT AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO GET A NEW TABS FOR EXAMPLE. AND THE CAR IS PERFECTLY FINE BUT IT'S TECHNICALLY UNDER THE JUNK CODE BECAUSE OF THAT REASON AND THERE'S NO SPACE IN GARAGE FOR EXAMPLE. I KNOW IT'S VERY SPECIFIC BUT HOW WOULD THAT WOULD WOULD THAT HOW THAT APPLIED TO SOMETHING THAT IS ISSUED BY THE LIKE A FINE CAN THIS CAN SOMEONE THAT THAT PERSON BASICALLY GET A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION TO HAVE THAT THERE. YEAH SURE COMMISSIONER YOU SAID SO WE DEFINITELY THERE DEFINITELY A LOT OF CIRCUMSTANCES YOU COULD ENVISION WHERE THAT PROCESS MIGHT BE FOLLOWED OR PURSUED AND YOU KNOW I THINK I'M NOT AN ABOUT REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION BUT BASICALLY THE THE PERSON APPLYING HAS TO DEMONSTRATE HOW THEIR DISABILITY THAT IS DIRECTLY TIED TO NECESSARY FOR THEM TO GET HOUSING OR CITY SERVICES SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD TIE DIRECTLY TO A CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION BUT AGAIN I SAY THAT BY YOU KNOW ACKNOWLEDGING I'M NOT A I'M NOT EXPERIENCED OR HAVE A LOT OF EXPERTIZE ABOUT REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION. WE DO HAVE ATTORNEYS UPSTAIRS WHO DO DEAL WITH REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION AND THEY TRADE DEALS WITH REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS. SO THERE ARE STAFF AT BLOOMINGTON WHO MUCH MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THIS AREA THAN US AS THE CITY PLANNERS BUT YEAH AND THEY WOULD BE THE ONES TO RENDER JUDGMENT BASICALLY AND THEY AND THEY WOULD DO SO IN A WAY THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH CURRENT CASE LAW AND YOU KNOW WE LIVE IN A LITIGIOUS SOCIETY WHATNOT. SO I'M SURE THAT THERE IS SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE COURTS ON HOW TO APPROACH REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION. MR. ABBOTT THANK YOU. I COULD BE TOTALLY WRONG BUT I THINK WE'RE REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION AND REASONABLE MODIFICATION BECAUSE I THINK MODIFICA ACTION IS ACTUALLY TO THE PHYSICAL STRUCTURE AND ACCOMMODATION DOESN'T NECESSARILY ANYTHING. MM HMM. IT'S JUST ACCOMMODATION OF RULES AND PROCEDURES WITHIN JULIA BUILDING. SO HAVING A ANIMAL FOR EXAMPLE WOULD BE THE ACCOMMODATION AND THE MODIFICATION WOULD BE INSTALLING A RAMP. MM HMM. TYPICALLY TYPICALLY IN HOUSING YOU IN MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING YOU WOULD IF IS A MODIFICATION THAT MODIFICATION IS THAT THE RESIDENT IS REQUIRED TO PAY THE MODIFICATION THEMSELVES AND THEN RETURN THE BUILDING THE ORIGINAL. SO FOR EXAMPLE IF THERE ARE IS A REASONABLE MODIFICATION LIKE YOU NEED GRAB BARS IN THE BATHROOM GRATE YOU INSTALL THEM OR INSTALL THEM AT YOUR COST AND THEN THAT THOSE GRAB BARS NEED TO BE INSTALLED WHEN YOU LEAVE. SO I THINK COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN'S POINT ABOUT A FENCE BEING BUILT THAT'S MODIFICATION OF AN ACCOMMODATION AND IN THE TYPICAL FAIR HOUSING WORLD AN ADA REQUIMENTS ARE THAT YOU THAT IT GOES WITH THE TENANT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY GO WITH THE UNIT. HMM. YEAH. CHAIR, I CAN I CAN CONFIRM THAT. FIRST OF ALL BURKE'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT AND IN WE'VE HAD SOME TRAINING ON THIS AS FAIR HOUSING TRAINING AND THIS JUST TO BE CLEAR WE'RE TITLING IT REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION INCLUDES THE FULL AND BRELO OF ALL OF THAT BUT YOU'RE CORRECT THAT INCLUDES BOTH SPHERES. ACCOMMODATION AND MODIFICATION MODIFICATION IS PROBABLY MORE FOR A ZONING RELATED STANDARD BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE BECAUSE I WASN'T CLEAR ON WHETHER OR NOT PLANNING COMMISSION SUPPORTED DOING THAT. AND THE LAST THING I'LL SAY ON THE LEGAL STANDPOINT IS THAT THE ATTORNEYS WHO KIND OF RAISED THIS ISSUE, THE EXAMPLES FOUND ARE OF OTHER CITIES WHERE THEY HIGHLY THE CITY ATTORNEYS IN THOSE CITIES THAT THEY ARE VERY ON OF KIND OF CURRENT LEGAL PRACTICE AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT GAVE US THE CONFIDENCE TO PURSUE SOMETHING ALONG THESE LINES IS THAT THERE'S THERE IS A PRECEDENT OUT OUT THERE FOR THIS. I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS. OKAY GOOD. THANK YOU FOR IT. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THAT. THIS BE TO PUBLIC SERVICES AND HOUSING. RIGHT. SO WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE IN THE PRIVATE SPHERE. THIS IS CITY OWNED SERVICES AND CITIES HOUSING. CORRECT. AND WOULD THIS BE BEYOND THAT? SURE. COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT ACTUALLY WOULD WOULD KEVIN HAS RAISED HIS HAND SO I WILL DEFER TO KEVIN FORGIVE ME OR TURN IT TO ASSISTANT CITY KEVIN TOSCHI I SAID HIS NAME ENOUGH THAT HE APPEARED ALL RIGHT HERE NOBODY HERE. WE CAN HEAR YOU VIDEO HERE SO I'M ON MY CELL PHONE. YEAH. SO THE HOUSING AMENDMENTS ACT I THINK IT WAS IN THE LATE EIGHTIES IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO THE ORIGINAL FAIR HOUSING ACT. IT REQUIRES REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS TO PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE DISABLED AND NEED A MODIFICATION TO THEIR STRUCTURE OR MODIFICATIONS EVEN TO A CITY CODE FOR POLICY ETC. IN ORDER FULLY ENJOY THEIR HOUSE THE SAME AS NON-DISABLED PERSON WOULD SO IT DOES APPLY TO PRIVATE PROPERTY AND I DON'T THINK THE VARIANCE FINDINGS IN STATE LAW WHICH IS HOW WE'VE HANDLED BEFORE REALLY LINE UP WELL WITH THE DIFFERENT STANDARDS YOU APPLY VERY PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES FOR A VARIANCE IS NOT THE SAME AS A REASONABLE MODIFICATION FOR A PERSON THAT'S DISABLED MAKING THE FINDING THE PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES WITH THE LAND WHEN REALLY THE PRACTICAL IS WITH THE PERSON IN THEIR DISABILITY AND INABILITY TO FULLY ENJOY THEIR RESIDENCE. SO THAT'S A LITTLE KIND OF SUMMARY OF OF WHAT WE FOUND AND WHY THEY NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE TO CODE . THANK YOU, MR. TOSCHI. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS? OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL. SO JUST QUICKLY JUST TO ORIENT EVERYONE WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS ARE PLANNING OR CITY COUNCIL STUDY SESSION IN JULY WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A PERIOD OF DRAFTING AN ORDINANCE COULD BE A LONGER ORDINANCE DEPENDING ON YOU KNOW BASED ON THE SCOPE OF EVERYTHING INCLUDED IN THIS AND IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE FIRST SESSION WANT TO CONNECT WITH ME I'M HAPPY TO OF WALK THROUGH WITH YOU SOME OF THE OTHER SUB PROJECTS THAT WERE INCLUDED THAT WERE DISCUSSED AND I INCLUDE THAT FOR THE NEW COMMISSIONERS WHO WILL BE JOINING AS WELL CERTAINLY OFFER THAT TO THEM AND THEN W WOULD SCHEDULE OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS LIKELY IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER . SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE ATTENTION AND DETAIL AND QUESTIONS AND I KNOW IT WAS KIND OF A HEAVY TOPIC TIMES OR IN THE WEEDS TOPIC SO THAT'S KIND OF MY SHOW. THANK YOU, MR. JONES. THANK YOU FOR BREAKING THIS OUT FROM THE OTHER PORTION OF THIS ITEM. I THINK THAT WAS A WORTHY EFFORT TO DO THAT. OKAY. PLANNING COMMISSION WE HAVE MORE TO GO. I THINK I WOULD PROPOSE A SHORT RECESS BEFORE WE MOVE TO OUR NEXT ITEM. WE WILL GO ON RECESS UNTIL 910 AND OKAY. WE'RE BACK LIVE FROM BLOOMINGTON CITY HALL READY TO GO. OUR NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR WHICH IS THE SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY AND CO-LIVING STANDARDS. I WAS DISCUSSING OVER THE BREAK HERE WITH MR. MERCURY MR. JOHNSON IT DOES SOUND LIKE CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT HEAR THIS AT THEIR NEXT MEETING AND THERE IS THE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY IF WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO A FUTURE MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WE WOULD HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY OR COULD PUSH THROUGH IN HERE TONIGHT. SO I'LL LOOK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET A TEMPERATURE OF THE ROOM HERE. MR. OLSON THANK YOU. I THINK ONE COMMENT THAT I HAVE IS THE NEXT MEETING WE DO HAVE TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS JOINING AND SO THINKING ABOUT IMPACT AND I IN OF OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A STUDY SESSION I JUST WANTED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND IS THAT ALTHOUGH THERE WILL BE TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS STARTING AND THAT COULD IMPACT THE DECISION AND THE FEEDBACK THIS BODY WOULD BE GIVING. MR.. ALBRECHT THANK YOU, CHAIR. I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW IF WE DID MOVE THIS TO A SUBSEQUENT MEETING WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING? AND I JUST I WOULD I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE IN THE SAME POSITION AGAIN. EXCUSE ME, MR. RECORD CHAIR GO TO COMMISSIONER DUROCHER ACTING COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS THE SWEARING IN OF THE NEW COMMISSIONERS PUBLIC HEARING RELATED TO ADDING ONE ADDITIONAL LIVING UNIT AT A MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY CODE AMENDMENT REGARDING CANNABIS BUSINESS AND A STUDY ITEM RELATED TO HUNDRED AND SECOND STREETS AND SCHOOL ZONE SPEED LIMIT . MR. ROBERT THANK YOU. SURE. I GUESS I WOULD MOVE TO DO IT TONIGHT VERSUS PUSH TO THE NEXT MEETING GIVEN THAT IT HAS A FULL AGENDA AND LOTS TO DISCUSS. SURE PEOPLE ARE COMFORTABLE FOR SURE. I GUESS I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER. DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW TO THE STUDY SESSION FIRST AND THEN DEAL THIS OR TO HAVE THEM NOT SEE THIS FIRST AND THEN JUST VOTE ON IT LATER? SO I WOULD DEFER TO GUYS ON THAT. MY POSITION ON THAT IS IN AN IDEAL WORLD SURE THEY WOULD BE HERE BUT ALSO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T START AND STOP WITH NEW COMMISSIONERS AND I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT BOTH OF THEM MAY BE WATCHING THIS EVENING OR THAT THEY COULD GO BACK AND WATCH IT. SO I'M GOING TO LET YOU COMMISSIONER GROSSMAN, YOU TO GO FOR ONE MORE ITEM HERE. OKAY? WE'RE GOING TO GO. SOUNDS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANKS IN HAS THE STAFF REPORT. THANK YOU ALL. LET'S SEE HERE. I'LL SHARE AGAIN. OKAY. SO THE STUDY ITEMS TOPIC IS SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS SL ROSE. IF YOU IN KIND OF MORE RECENT LITERATURE OR DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS AROUND IT YOU'LL ALSO HEAR CO-HOUSING CO-LIVING. THERE'S DIFFERENT TERMS THAT PEOPLE USE TO DESCRIBE THIS OF HOUSING. SO THIS IS AN ITEM ON YOUR 2020 FOR PLANNING COMMISSION WORKPLAN SO THIS IS A STUDY ITEM THAT COULD INFORM SOME FUTURE CODE AMENDMENTS OTHER IN A RECOMMENDED CHANGES BY THIS BODY OR THE CITY COUNCIL . SO HERE'S JUST AN AGENDA SLIDE OF WHAT I PLAN TO TALK ABOUT HERE MOST OF WHICH WAS OUTLINED IN THE STAFF REPORT. SO FROM A BACKGROUND PERSPECTIVE JUST TO KIND OF SET THE CONTEXT AND SET THE TABLE SO FOR EVERYBODY WHAT IS AN SRO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CONGREGATE LIVING EARLIER AS PART OF OUR PREVIOUS ITEM THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD REFERENCE POINT TO SET A LITTLE BIT OF BASIS BUT A COUPLE OF DEFINITIONS AND THESE AREN'T FROM ZONING CODES PER THIS SRO DEFINITION IS FROM THE HENNEPIN COUNTY TASK FORCE REPORT AND CO-LIVING IS JUST MORE FROM A WEBSITE BUT ASTROS ARE MULTIFAMILY OR CONVERTED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH QUALITY SINGLE ROOMS, SHARED KITCHENS AND SHARED OR INDIVIDUAL BATHROOMS. SO BOTH OF THOSE SOLUTIONS ARE OUTCOMES CO-LIVING A MODERN LIVING ARRANGEMENT WHERE SOMEONE RENTS A ROOM OR AN APARTMENT WITHIN A COMMUNAL PROPERTY BENEFITING FROM SHARED AMENITIES AND ACTIVITIES DESIGNED TO FOSTER A SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND BELONGING. IT SOUNDS MORE INTENTIONAL BUT YOU KNOW DOWN TO THE BRASS TACKS OR DOWN TO KIND OF THE NUTS BOLTS WHAT OUR SRO IS IN CO-LIVING IT'S BEDROOMS RENTED AS INDIVIDUAL UNITS SO AS OPPOSED TO JUST RENTING OUT AN DWELLING THAT HAS ALL OF THE MANAGED WITHIN WITHIN IT THEY BASICALLY SUBLEASE THE INDIVIDUAL BEDROOMS WITH SHARED AMENITIES SRO IS ARE INHERENTLY MORE AFFORDABLE THAN TYPICAL MULTIFAMILY WE THINK OF ALL OF THE BASELINE APPARATUS AND EQUIPMENT NEEDED TO SERVE A DWELLING YOU'RE REALLY SHARING THAT COST AMONG MULTIPLE RENTERS SRO IS DO PRESENT REUSE AND CONVERSION OPPORTUNITIES MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE SO THAN MULTIFAMILY FOR. THAT SAME REASON IN ORDER TO MAKE A BUILDING CODE COMPLIANT FROM THE FIRE CODE AND BUILDING CODE PERSPECTIVE A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER TO DO IT IN AN SRO OR A CO-LIVING SITUATION MULTIFAMILY NEWER VERSIONS OF THIS DEVELOPMENT TYPE HAVE ARE TYPICALLY ARE MORE AMENITY RICH THAN PREVIOUS GENERATIONS OF ROOM OCCUPANCY HOUSING OR MAYBE WHAT YOU REFERRED TO AS PREVIOUSLY WOULD HAVE BEEN A BOARDING HOUSE OR ALONG THOSE LINES AND SO SOME OF THEM THEY CAN RANGE IN PRICE AND YOU KNOW TYPICALLY DEPENDING ON WHAT MARKET THIS HOUSING IS BEING DEVELOPED IN THE AMENITIES WILL VARY BUT IT'S IT CAN BE MUCH MORE AMENITY RICH THAN WHAT SOME PEOPLE WOULD KIND OF INHERENTLY ASSUME OR IMAGINE. THESE HOUSING TYPES ARE GAINING MORE POPULARITY THE MOST EXPENSIVE HOUSING MARKETS IN THE COUNTRY. SO CERTAINLY I THINK THE CHICAGO DENVER TO A DEGREE SOME OTHER PLACES BUT YOU KNOW HOUSING ISN'T CHEAP IN THE TWIN CITIES REGION LAST I CHECKED SO KEEP IT AND KEEP THAT IN MIND. ANOTHER THING IS I THINK MOST PEOPLE ASSUME THAT THIS HOUSING TYPE TYPICALLY ARE VERY QUITE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS OR HAVE MANY UNITS THAT WHAT I FOUND IS THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY CASE THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE SMALLER SCALE SRO OR CO-LIVING SITUATIONS EVEN OUT OF SINGLE FAMILY THAT ARE RETROFITTED OR CHANGED IN SOME WAYS TO DO THAT. AND I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS STUDY FOCUSES HOUSING WITHOUT SERVICES. AGAIN, WE HAVE DEFINITIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY OR IN SOME CASES CONGREGATE LIVING COVERS OF THAT ASSISTED LIVING THOSE TYPES OF USES. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING WITH THIS STUDY. SO HERE'S JUST A COUPLE LOCAL AGAIN JUST TO BUILD THE CONTEXT THIS IS A PROJECT THAT I LEARNED ABOUT THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED IN SAINT PAUL. THEY'RE SET TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION IN AUGUST. SAINT PAUL HAS A HIGHER OCCUPANCY PER DWELLING REQUIREMENT OR A DIFFERENT DEFINITION FOR WHAT IS ALLOWED FROM AN OCCUPANCY STANDPOINT. AND SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A UNIQUE ONE OR A SMALLER SCALE ONE IN THAT THIS ACTUALLY IS A DUPLEX OR A TWO FAMILY DWELLING THAT EACH HAS SIX BEDROOMS WITHIN IT SO IT'S A 12 UNIT CO-LIVING DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPED FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE WITHIN A TWO FAMILY DWELLING. SO INTERESTING ONE THERE AND YOU KIND OF SEE A RENDERING PHOTO OF KIND OF WHAT THIS SHARED COMMUNAL SPACE MIGHT KIND OF OFFER ONE OF THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS RATIO IN COLUMBIA HEIGHTS WAS DEVELOPED IN 2022 MOSTLY IS MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOUSING JUST STANDARD APARTMENTS BUT DOES HAVE TEN OF ITS UNITS DEDICATED SRO OR CO-LIVING SO 40 BEDROOMS THERE AGAIN JUST DEVELOPED AS A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT WENT THROUGH AN APPROVAL PROCESS AS SUCH AND THE CITY WAS COGNIZANT AND AWARE OF THIS COMPONENT BUT THE FEATURE OF IT IS THAT FOR WHERE THIS PROJECT IS LOCATED AND IT'S ALONG CENTRAL AVENUE VERY CLOSE TO YOU KNOW KIND OF MORE AMENITY RICH AREA OF NORTHEAST MINNEAPOLIS THEY OFFER RENTS FOR SOME OF THESE IN THE 700 TO $1000 RANGE WHICH PAID FOR TODAY'S STANDARDS IS CHEAPER AND THIS IS AN AMENITY RICH PROJECT AS I MENTIONED. SO THERE'S KIND OF A FLOOR PLAN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WHAT SOME OF THE LOOKS LIKE. SO OBVIOUSLY YOU SEE THE PERSONAL SPACE, YOU SEE A SHARED KITCHEN. EACH UNIT HAS ITS BATHROOM IN THIS INSTANCE AND CLOSET SPACE AND SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SMALL STUDIO APARTMENT WITH YOU KNOW, SHARED COOKING FACILITIES IN A WAY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS COMING OUT OF THE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE PACE OF THIS HAS SLOWED SOME BUT HENNEPIN COUNTY WAS SOMEWHAT ACTIVE IN DOING SOME CONVERSIONS OF HOTELS TO MULTI-FAMILY WITH SOME SRO UNITS AT SOME OF THESE SITES. SO ONE OF THE TOPICS AS PART OF THIS DISCUSSION IS YOU KNOW, USE CONVERSION HOTEL OR OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES TO RESIDENTIAL. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S HAPPENED IN MINNEAPOLIS I HAVEN'T FOUND WITH WITH THE AND I CERTAINLY COULD BE MISSING SOMETHING BUT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF RATIO WHICH IS FAIRLY SMALL FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF MANY OF THEIR UNITS ARE CO-HOUSING OR CO-LIVING I WOULD SAY THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT TYPE IS IS NOT STRONG IN THIS MARKET YET I'D SAY IT'S MORE ON EARLIER LEADING EDGE OFF OF IT ESPECIALLY IN A LARGER KIND OF SETTING AND FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO WHY WOULD SRO OR CO-LIVING BE A MATCH FOR BLOOMINGTON AND KIND OF WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS AS A POTENTIAL TREND OR SOMETHING TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF NUMBER ONE IS JUST DEMOGRAPHICALLY AND BY THAT I MEAN THE AGE OF BLOOMINGTON'S RESIDENTS. SO BLOOMINGTON IS THE FOURTH OLDEST COMMUNITY IN THE TWIN CITIES REGION CURRENTLY WE WERE THIRD I DON'T I FORGET WHO JUMPED US BUT WITH A STRONG BASIS OLDER RESIDENTS AS EARLY AS OUR VIEWED AS A GOOD HOUSING SOLUTION FOR OLDER RESIDENTS AND THE REASON BEING IS TIED TO AFFORDABLE CITY CERTAINLY YOU GET A MORE FIXED OR LIMITED INCOME BUT ALSO THERE'S BEEN SOME RESEARCH INTO SOME CO-LIVING BEING A GOOD SOLUTION TO PREVENT SOME OF THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF SOCIAL ISOLATION OR OTHER COMPONENTS THAT ARE MORE ACUTE OR FREQUENT AMONG OLDER RESIDENTS OR PEOPLE SO KIND OF AN INTERESTING THING TO CONSIDER THERE AND JUST PROVIDING HOUSING VARIETY GENERALLY. YOU KNOW, I THINK OLDER RESIDENTS ARE NOT FOR LARGER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR EVEN IN SOME CASES A SMALLER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO OWN AND RESIDE IN BY THEMSELVES. SO THIS JUST OFFERS ANOTHER AVENUE REUSE AND CONVERSION. THIS WAS ESPECIALLY WITH HOTELS. THIS WAS A HOT TOPIC DURING THE PANDEMIC IN BLOOMINGTON AND HOTEL OCCUPANCY HAS SINCE PICKED UP CLOSE CLOSE TO 2019 LEVELS SO IT'S LESS A PHONE CALL THAT WE GET FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAN IT USED TO BE BUT THAT SAME ISSUE IS NOW REVEALING ITSELF OR PICKING UP A LITTLE BIT WITH OFFICE AND SO WITH WITH THE DISCUSSION OF ABOUT REMOTE AND AND KIND OF THE COMPONENTS AROUND THAT IT REALLY HAS SHAKEN UP THE OFFICE MARKET IN DIFFERENT WAYS PEOPLE JUST NEED A LITTLE LESS SPACE THAN THEY USED TO SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MOVEMENT IN THE OFFICE MARKET AND TALKING TO OUR ASSESSING PEOPLE AND SO SOME OF THE OFFICE SPACE IN BLOOMINGTON ULTIMATELY IS, YOU KNOW, GOING TO REMAIN VACANT AND BECOME A CANDIDATE FOR RE-USE IN SOME WAY. AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, AS OUR ROLES ARE A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO CONVERT THAN CREATING EVERY AMENITY THAT A DWELLING NEEDS WITHIN A COMMERCIAL SPACE JUST FROM A FIRE CODE AND BUILDING CODE PERSPECTIVE JUST IN FOR AFFORDABILITY IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW BLOOMINGTON'S YOU KNOW WITH THE EXECUTION AND CHANGES AND ADDITIONAL WE'RE DOING RELATED TO THE OPPORTUNITY HOUSING ORDINANCE WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO GET MORE IN BLOOMINGTON THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE WE HAVE AND YOU KNOW THE ALWAYS SHOWING ITS SUCCESSES ARE CELEBRATED NO DOUBT WHERE WE ARE NOT SEEING A LOT OF SUCCESSES IN THE DEEPLY AFFORDABLE UNITS IN FACT I THINK WE'VE SINCE 20 I FORGET WHAT THE START DATE WAS IN MY BUT I THINK SINCE 2020 OR SO MAYBE SINCE ADOPTION WE HAVE I THINK DEVELOPED 40 DEEPLY AFFORDABLE UNITS DURING THAT TIME AND THAT'S ONLY 10% OF OUR 2030 MET COUNCIL GOAL FOR HOUSING SHARE OR ANTICIPATED OR EXPECTED TO NEED SOMEWHERE IN THE RANGE OF 420 DEEPLY AFFORDABLE UNITS BY 2030 AND THAT'S BASED ON A REGIONAL MODEL BUT WE JUST HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF MOVEMENT THERE AND THAT DIRECTLY RELATES TO HOMELESSNESS, THE HRA AND IN COLLABORATION WITH A CONSULTANT DID A STATE OF HOMELESSNESS STUDY OF BLOOMINGTON. IT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT BECAUSE A LOT OF THE DATA THEY IS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL BUT ANECDOTALLY THEY'RE AWARE OF IN PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN BLOOMINGTON AND THE PEOPLE MOST LIKELY TO EXPERIENCE HOMELESSNESS ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF NEEDING THAT DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHO ARE INCOME BURDENED THEY SPEND MORE A THIRD OF THEIR INCOME ON THEIR HOUSING. THEY'RE THE MOST LIKELY CANDIDATES TO EXPERIENCE HOMELESSNESS AND SO DEVELOPING MORE AS AROSE AND PROVIDING A NEW TOOL IS ANOTHER WAY. TRY AND GET AT THAT AFFORDABILITY AND I WOULD SAY SOMETHING WOULD SAY THAT A DEVELOPER TOLD ME AND IT WAS THE DEVELOPER IS WORKING ON THAT ONE BUT SRO PROJECTS HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHOUT SUBSIDY AND YOU KNOW CITIES GET INTO A DIFFICULT CONUNDRUM . IT'S LIKE YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE A LOT OF SUBSIDY TO CREATE THIS HOUSING THIS TOOL OFFERS OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE HOUSING THAT'S MORE AFFORDABLE SUBSIDY SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT THERE THIS ONE THESE NEXT TWO ARE REALLY BLOOMINGTON SPECIFIC CERTAINLY COULD BE SPECIFIC TO MINNEAPOLIS BY THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA OF COURSE BUT BLOOMINGTON HAS FOUR POST-SECONDARY POST-SECONDARY EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS IN AUBURNDALE BETHANY RASMUSSEN AND NORTHWESTERN SCIENCES AND MOST OF THOSE STUDENTS DO COMMUTE. THAT'S TRUE. BUT SOME OF THOSE STUDENTS HAVE GIVEN THE CHANCE AND HOUSING WAS AVAILABLE TO THEM MIGHT LIVE CLOSER TO THOSE INSTITUTIONS IF THEY COULD AND PARTICULARLY MAYBE IN A LOWER SCENARIO. YOU KNOW, STUDENTS TEND TO HAVE ANYWAY GENERALLY IT COULD BE A GOOD HOUSING FOR STUDENTS PROXIMITY TO MSP INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. YOU KNOW YOU HEARD IN THE THE TERM CRASH PATHS AND THE DEFINITION OF CONGREGATE LIVING WITH BLOOMINGTON'S PROXIMITY TO THEIR TO THE AIRPORT WE DO HAVE A HIGHER PROPORTION MAYBE THIS IN THE US AND SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES OF PEOPLE WHO TRAVEL AS PART OF THEIR JOB EITHER IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRIES OR ANCILLARY RELATED BUSINESSES OR USES AND YOU KNOW THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T IN TOWN ALL THE TIME AND AN SRO PROBABLY WOULD PROVIDE A GOOD HOUSING SOLUTION FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE RESIDING THERE 15 DAYS A MONTH OR 20 DAYS A MONTH AS OPPOSED TO 30 DAYS A MONTH. SO SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT THERE THEN FINALLY JUST ALSO AS TO WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, HENNEPIN COUNTY DID A TASK FORCE ON THIS SUBJECT. THEY ISSUED RECOMMENDATIONS. SOME OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS VERY MUCH IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WERE AND AND THE REPORT IS LINKED IN THE CASE IF PEOPLE WANT TO READ IT. SO GETTING TO OUR EXISTING REGULATIONS YOU KNOW THIS IS KIND OF A TWO PART STUDY IT'S HOW DOES OUR CODE DEAL WITH THESE USES NOW AND THEN WHAT KIND OF CHANGES DO YOU ALL WANT TO TO EITHER KEEP IT THE MAKE IT YOU KNOW PROVIDE MORE STANDARDS ENABLE IT FURTHER I MEAN THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO THINK ABOUT IT BUT LET'S OUR EXISTING CODE SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS CONGREGATE USE WE READ ALOUD THE DEFINITION OF TYPE OF HOUSING WHICH OCCUPANTS SHARE KIND OF COMMON DINING ROOM, REC ROOM, FOOD SERVICE, OTHER FACILITIES BOARDING HOUSES, LODGING HOUSES, ASSISTED LIVING SHELTERS, CONVENTS AND THEN IT LISTS SOME USES THAT IT'S NOT THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THAT IT'S TOO BROAD THAT THERE'S TOO MANY KIND OF SUB USES WITHIN IT BUT ABSENT ANOTHER USE THIS IS HOW WE WOULD PROCESS A LARGER SCALE SRO SOMEONE WANTED TO DEVELOP LIKE A RATIO APARTMENTS HERE IN BLOOMINGTON AND I SHOULD ADD THE CAVEAT THAT EXCEEDED OUR OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENTS AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE SO DORMITORY AGAIN A DORMITORY IS A VERY SIMILAR TYPE OF USE TO AN SRO PROBABLY NOT WITH AS NICE KITCHEN FACILITIES OR AMENITIES FOR SHARED SPACE BUT IT'S BASICALLY EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN SLEEPING QUARTERS. BUT YOU KNOW ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH DORMITORY THAT IT'S STRICTLY LIMITED TO AS ASSOCIATED WITH A COLLEGE UNIVERSITY INSTITUTION OR BOARDING SCHOOL AND THAT'S APPROPRIATE BY THE WAY. I MEAN EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT A DORMITORY IS HERE I THINK BUT THAT THOSE ARE KIND OF THE TWO USES WE HAVE THAT MOST ALIGN WITH SRO SO WHERE ARE THESE USERS ALLOWED CONGREGATE LIVING IS ALLOWED IS A CONDITIONAL USE AND ARE FOR 12 OR 24 HOUR 50 AND 100 AND TRANSITIONAL INDUSTRIAL AND HAVE TWO SO IT'S NO COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS CURRENTLY DORMITORY IS CONDITIONAL ON R ONE ONLY WHICH MAKES SENSE GIVEN THAT IT'S TIED SPECIFICALLY TO UNIVERSITY OR POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION TERMS OF USE STANDARDS. WE DO HAVE STANDARDS FOR CONGREGATE LIVING FACILITY AND THEN WE DO HAVE USED STANDARDS FOR INSTITUTIONAL USES INSTITUTIONAL USES THERE'S A SPECIFIC DEFINITION IN OUR CODE BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH WHERE THOSE SITES CAN BE LOCATED BASED ON TRAFFIC LEVELS AND SOME OTHER RELATED PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. ALSO A VERY BROAD CATEGORY INCLUDES FIRE STATIONS AND OTHER INSTITUTIONAL THAT CARE FACILITIES FALL INTO SO RESIDENTIAL OCCUPANCY THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC FOR THIS STUDY SO WHILE I'M SORRY FOR THE MISSPELLING THERE, EACH DWELLING MAY BE OCCUPIED BY A MAXIMUM OF ONE FAMILY PER BLOOMINGTON CODE AND BLOOMINGTON IS NOT UNIQUE IN THIS REGARD. EVERY CITY HAS A STANDARD OF SOME KIND WHERE THEY DEFINE WHAT THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY WITHIN A SINGLE DWELLING IS THE DEFINITION IN BLOOMINGTON HOWEVER TALKS ABOUT EITHER A FAMILY OF SOME KIND SOME LEGAL STATUS AS A FAMILY OR FOR UNRELATED INDIVIDUALS. SO MORE SPECIFICALLY ONE OR MORE PERSONS RELATED BY BLOOD MARRIAGE ADOPTION INCLUDING FOSTER CHILDREN AND DOMESTIC PARTNERS AND CIVIL RECOGNIZE UNDER MINNESOTA LAW OR A GROUP NOT MORE THAN FOUR PERSONS. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IN OUR THEY REMOVE THIS LANGUAGE FROM THE RENTAL HOUSING CODE AND IT'S ALSO BEEN BROUGHT UP AS AN EQUITY ISSUE IN OUR CODE IN SOME CITIES THAT HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS SO IF WHO YOU CONSIDER FAMILY IS A MORE COMPLICATED MATTER THAN JUST WHAT YOUR RELATIONSHIPS ARE ACCORDING TO LAW SO THAT'S I DON'T MEAN TO PUSH THAT ISSUE RIGHT NOW IN SO MUCH AS FOCUSED ON WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE AND HOW IT RELATES. BUT I JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS TIME TO POINT THAT OUT. SO RIGHT NOW IF YOU ARE UNRELATED FOR UNRELATED INDIVIDUALS, YOU KNOW YOU AND THREE FRIENDS YOU CAN OCCUPY A DWELLING BUT A FIFTH FRIEND COULD NOT JOIN YOU IN THAT DWELLING TECHNICALLY UNDER OUR OCCUPANCY STANDARDS EXISTING REGULATIONS AS THEY RELATE TO USE CONVERSION SO USE CONVERSION AND SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD WHEN THE AIR APARTMENTS WAS CREATED . RIGHT NOW THE USE CONVERSION PROCESS IS BASICALLY A DO WE EVALUATE IS A RESIDENTIAL USE ALLOWED IN THE ZONE THIS NON RESIDENTIAL USES IT'S A HOTEL OR IT'S AN OFFICE YES IT IS ALLOWED OKAY THEN THEY JUST NEED TO GET PRELIMINARY FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS OR FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLANS TO EXECUTE THAT BROADER IF THE USE IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT IT'S LOCATED IT WOULD GO THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS AND THE USE WOULD BE FULLY SUBJECT TO ALL OF THE PERFORMANCE FOR THAT USE IN THIS CASE YOU KNOW IN THAT CASE AIR APARTMENTS WAS MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND SOMETHING I WOULD TO KEEP IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND NOT TO THROW WRINKLES AT IT BUT THERE IS THE INCENTIVE ASSOCIATED WITH THE OPPORTUNITY HOUSING ORDINANCE. YOU KNOW IT REDUCES PARKING IT OFFERS SMALLER FLOOR AREAS THAT REDUCES STORAGE IT REDUCES DIFFERENT ZONING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULD NEED TO STUDY IN FURTHER DETAIL IS HOW TO ORIENT THOSE INCENTIVES FOR SAROS IF WE HAD AN SRO USE SO KEEP THAT IN MIND BUT BASICALLY THE CONVERSION PROCESS IS IT'S ALMOST LIKE GOING THROUGH THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS FROM THE START AND JUST MEETING THE MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR WHATEVER THAT USES. WE DID STUDY HOTEL AND OFFICE CONVERSIONS AND 2022 SHAWN EXCUSE ME SHAWN JAMES THE PLANNER AT THAT TIME PREPARED A STUDY ITEM YOU KNOW A LOT DISCUSSION AROUND WHAT IT TAKES PHYSICALLY WITH THOSE TYPES OF BUILDINGS TO RENOVATE THEM TO RESIDENTIAL USES. THERE'S A LOT OF HELPFUL INFORMATION. THE CONCLUSION OF THAT MOSTLY WAS THE KIND OF STUDY SESSION QUESTION WAS SHOULD WE BE INCENTIVIZING OR MORE FULLY KIND OF PRESSING THE GAS PEDAL ON CONVERSIONS BECAUSE THINK OF THAT THAT TIME THERE WAS A LOT MORE INTEREST TO CONVERT HOTELS AT THAT TIME AND THE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL TOOK A MORE NEUTRAL POSTURE AT THAT TIME. WE'LL LOOK AT PROJECTS THROUGH THE CONVERSION PROCESS THAT I DESCRIBED AS REZONING OR YOU KNOW, NEEDING GET FINAL SITE BUILDING PLANS AND MEETING OUR STANDARDS BUT IT WAS MORE IS THIS THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR THIS USE FOR A CONVERSION NOT EVERY HOTEL OR OFFICE IS IN THE RIGHT LOCATION TO BE CONVERTED SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE POSTURE AT THAT TIME. AND THEN JUST TO REITERATE THAT HOTEL IN BLOOMINGTON HAS BEEN CONVERTED IT WAS ALSO APPROVED IN 2020 TO AIR APARTMENTS. I, I FORGET THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DWELLINGS BUT I THINK IT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT BUT FROM ALL REPORTS I'VE HEARD IT'S KIND OF SMALLER MICRO UNITS OR SMALLER APARTMENTS I THINK IT IS INHERENTLY A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE WHICH IS GOOD AND I THINK IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL UP TO THIS POINT THAT I'M AWARE OF . SO MOVING ON TO KIND OF POLICY QUESTIONS AND ACTIONS OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FROM YOU ALL AND WE'LL BE LOOKING FROM THE CITY AS DOES THE CITY WANT TO SUPPORT OR ENABLE MORE LARGER SRO OR CO-LIVING DEVELOPMENTS. I MEAN THAT'S KIND OF THE KEY FUNDAMENTAL THAT HAS TO BE ANSWERED FIRST AND THEN THAT KIND OF YOU DOWN A PATH OF GOING TOWARDS MORE DETAILED OR PRECISE POLICY QUESTIONS AND STANDARDS. SO IF THE ANSWER IS YES. THEN THERE'S MULTIPLE ACTIONS THAT CAN BE TAKEN SO. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO THINK ABOUT SHOULD A NEW USE CATEGORY BE CREATED FOR SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY CO-LIVING OR BOTH? SHOULD SRO OR CO-LIVING BE ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS SIMILAR TO MULTIFAMILY AND A MIXED USE SETTING BASICALLY AGAIN JUST A REMINDER THAT FOR MULTIFAMILY TO BE IN MOST OF OUR DISTRICTS THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE MINIMUM LEVELS OF COMMERCIAL FLOOR AREA AND THEN SHOULD THE CITY CREATE NEW STANDARDS SPECIFIC TO SRO OR CO-LIVING AGAIN WE HAVE THE CONGREGATE LIVING STANDARDS BUT SOME OF THOSE MIGHT NOT PERFECTLY ALIGNED WITH SARAS OR CO-LIVING AND THEN FINALLY SO THOSE ARE SOME QUESTIONS TO THINK ABOUT BUT REALLY THE THE OOPS I'M SORRY I SKIPPED ONE. I GUESS I DIDN'T UM OH THAT WAS A SLIDE. I THINK I LOST A SLIDE. I AM GOING TO I'M GOING TO PULL OUT A BOW ON YOU ALL HERE. SORRY. FORGIVE ME BUT THE KEY QUESTIONS ARE AND I NEED TO I CAN PULL THIS STAFF REPORT UP TOO SO THAT WE CAN LOOK THESE IN MORE DETAIL. BUT THE POTENTIAL CODE AMENDMENTS BASICALLY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SEEK GUIDANCE ON IS DO WE NEED TO AND THIS RELATES TO OCCUPANCY BUT DO WE NEED TO REALLY DO WE NEED TO CLARIFY IN THE BLOOMINGTON ZONING CODE THAT CO-LIVING ING AS LONG AS YOU'RE ABIDING BY OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENTS IS A PERMITTED RIGHT NOW FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE IT IS PERMITTED NOW TODAY AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT OCCUPANCY BUT THINK ABOUT THAT LITTLE MOD PROJECT THAT I SHOWED YOU OR FOR RUMORS FOR ROOMMATES WHO LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME TODAY THAT'S AN ALLOWED USE FOR THE RENTAL CODE AND TODAY IT'S NOT HIGHLY COMMON. I DID TALK TO ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH THEY DO FIND IT FROM TIME TO TIME BUT SO THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE CLARIFYING IF AROSE AND CLARIFYING SRO CO-LIVING STATUS WITHIN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES THE SECOND POTENTIAL LEVER TO PULL WOULD BE OR AMENDING THE CITY'S OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENTS . SO THE CITY THAT'S DONE THE MOST IN THIS REGARD RECENTLY IS THE CITY SAINT PAUL. THEY CHANGED THEIR DEFINITION OF OCCUPANCY SO YOUR FAMILY TO BE SIX ADULTS NO MORE THAN SIX ADULTS AND ANY CHILDREN IN THEIR CARE. SO IT DOESN'T ABOUT HOW THEY'RE RELATED TO ONE ANOTHER IT JUST SAYS A SINGLE DWELLING CAN OCCUPIED BY SIX ADULTS AND MINORS IN THEIR CARE. AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PROJECT EXAMPLE I SHOWED YOU FROM SAINT PAUL WHICH WAS EFFECTIVELY A TWO FAMILY DWELLING THAT'S HOW THEY GET A 12 UNIT CO-LIVING DEVELOPMENT EFFECTIVELY IN A IN A TWO FAMILY DWELLING IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A MAX OF SIX OCCUPANTS. SO FOR THOSE 12 PER DWELLING TWO DWELLINGS, 12NITS OR BEDROOMS RATHER. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT JUST ON THAT POINT ANECDOTALLY THINK THAT YOU KNOW THERE'S DISCUSSION WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING OCCUPANCY MORE PEOPLE IN A DWELLING DOES REQUIRE IT TEND TO REQUIRE MORE MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY IT'S MORE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF SPACE. SO I DON'T WANT TO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT FACT BUT KIND OF ALONG THE SOME ALONG SOME OF THE SAME LINES OF OUR DISCUSSION EARLIER THE CITY DOES HAVE TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX TO DEAL WITH PROPERTY ISSUES, SUBSTANDARD LIVING CONDITIONS. AGAIN, MANY OF THESE SITES ARE SUBJECT TO OUR RENTAL LICENSE. THE CITY DOES INSPECT EVERY RENTAL PROPERTY EVERY YEAR AND DO CORRECT ISSUES THAT COME UP FROM TIME TO TIME ABOUT THAT. SO I THINK THAT MORE ARE GOING TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION PARTICULARLY WITH BEING LESS PRESCRIPTIVE ABOUT HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS BUT ONE OF THE WAYS TO ENABLE SRO IS OR CO-LIVING IS TO RAISE OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENT THE NEXT CODE AMENDMENT AND I'LL PULL THIS UP I'M SORRY THAT THE SLIDE SOMEHOW DISAPPEARED ON ME BUT CREATE AN SRO OR CO-LIVING USE CATEGORY THAT WOULD BE CREATING SRO USE IN THE USE OR CO-LIVING AND WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT BECAUSE BECAUSE THESE USES CAN EFFECTIVELY CREATED IN EXISTING DWELLINGS JUST WITH BY VIA THE OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENTS WE WOULD PROPOSE AN SRO USE WOULD BE TRIGGERED ABOVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF BEDROOMS OR DWELLING UNITS IF THAT MAKES SENSE IF YOU CAN CREATE SMALL SCALE SRO THOSE ARE CO-LIVING WITHIN EXISTING DWELLINGS BY JUST MODIFYING THE EXISTING FLOOR PLAN OR EXISTING SHARED AMENITIES AND ABIDE BY OCCUPANCY RESTRICTIONS. THAT'S NOT REALLY WHERE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF VALUE TO CALLING THAT AN SRO OR A CO-LIVING USE SPECIFICALLY IT'S MORE YOU WOULD WANT TO RESERVE THAT AND IT GETS TO THE NEXT POINT FOR THE LARGER ONES AND THE VALUE CREATING AN SE OR SRO OR CO-LIVING USE IT HAS DO WITH ESTABLISHING NEW SPECIFIC STANDARDS LIKE WE HAVE FOR MANY OF OUR OTHER. YOU CAN TAILOR THOSE USES SPECIFIC TO SRO AND MY GUESS IS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE PRETTY STANDARDS AS MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL. HOWEVER I WOULD SAY DEPENDING ON THE DEGREE TO WHICH THE CITY TO ENABLE THESE USES YOU CAN GIVE SRO MORE FAVORABLE TREATMENT IN CERTAIN RESPECTS GIVEN THE VALUE OF THE AFFORDABILITY COMPONENT AND OTHER RIGHT HOUSING VARIETY COMPONENT IT'S REALLY ALL ABOUT HOW MUCH THE CITY WANTS TO ENABLE OR ENCOURAGE THIS USE SPECIFICALLY I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE IF YOU ARE CLOSER TO HIGH FREQUENCY YOU COULD HAVE A LESSER PARKING REQUIREMENT THAN SAY MULTIPLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. SOME OTHER USE STANDARDS THAT WE FOUND FOR SRO IS WOULD BE MINIMUM SITE AREAS PER PER BEDROOM MINIMUM FLOOR AREA PER BEDROOM MINIMUM COMMON SPACE AREA PER BEDROOM SO ESTABLISH MINIMUM THRESHOLDS FOR HOW MUCH COMMON AREA SHOULD BE WITHIN THESE CO-LIVING SCENARIOS I THINK I NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH ABOUT THIS ONE BUT MINIMUM RESTROOM FACILITIES YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT CITIES WOULD WANT TO INCENTIVIZE WITHIN EACH INDIVIDUAL BEDROOM TO SERVE IT TO CREATE SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE STRUCTURE THERE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AND THEN FINALLY I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE BUT WE THINK THE OTHER KIND OF CRITICAL CODE COMPONENT OR EVALUATION WOULD BE EVALUATING OUR OPPORTUNITY HOUSING ORDINANCE SEE HOW THOSE INCENTIVES KIND OF TRANSLATE OR TOUCH ON WOULD PLAY WITH SRO OR CO-LIVING AND CONSIDER PROVIDING SIMILAR OR SLIGHTLY ENHANCED INCENTIVES DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH THE CITY WANTS TO ENABLE THIS USE. SO FORGIVE ME FOR NOT HAVING THOSE QUESTIONS AND I WILL I CAN PULL UP THIS STAFF REPORT DOCUMENT IF THAT HELPS THE DISCUSSION AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE AGAIN. BUT I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THE NEXT STEPS ARE AND A KEY QUESTION FOR THIS ONE THAT WE WANTED TO POSE. SO JUST IN TERMS OF PROCESS, WE'RE GOING TO DO A STUDY SESSION AT THE HRA BOARD. YOU KNOW GIVEN THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO HOUSING THEY'VE REQUESTED TO GET AN UPDATE ABOUT THIS TOPIC SO I'M GOING TO GO TO THEM NEXT WEEK . THE CITY COUNCIL STUDY SESSION IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR JULY 1ST. IT COULD GET WE'LL SEE AND THEN WE WOULD GET SOME DIRECTION AND WE WOULD START DRAFTING ANY CODE AMENDMENTS THAT THOSE BODIES HAD CONSENSUS ON WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD ON. THE KEY QUESTION IS IS THAT UNLIKE YOU KNOW, I THINK LET'S TAKE OUR LAST ITEM AS AN EXAMPLE. I THINK THE CODE AMENDMENTS ARE MORE CLEARLY ILLUSTRATED AND AND DESCRIBED WITHIN THE LEVEL OF DETAIL OF THAT BECAUSE IT REALLY WAS A FOCUSED STUDY ON OUR OWN CODE . THE QUESTION FOR THIS BODY AND THE COUNCIL POSED THE SAME QUESTION WOULD THOSE BODIES WANT TO REVIEW DRAFT A DRAFT CODE AMENDMENTS IN A STUDY IN A SUBSEQUENT STUDY SESSION PRIOR TO A PUBLIC HEARING I COULD SEE IT EITHER WAY I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE BUT I DON'T WANT TO DIRECT THIS BODY IN TERMS OF HOW TO BEST REVIEW THAT AND THEN IF YOU KNOW SO THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY AN ADDITIONAL STUDY SESSION DEPENDING ON HOW EXTENSIVE THE AMENDMENTS ARE AND THEN OF COURSE THE TYPICAL PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS FOR ANY CITY CODE AMENDMENTS. SO I WOULD ENVISION THIS PROBABLY TAKING PLACE KNOW OVER THE COURSE OF THE FALL MAYBE EVEN INTO THE EARLY WINTER DEPENDING ON THE THE SECONDARY STUDY. SO THAT'S KIND OF JUST A PROCESS OR A TIMELINE. WITH THAT I WELCOME YOUR QUESTIONS AND IF IT'S HELPFUL I CAN BRING UP THAT PDF DOCUMENTS I APOLOGIZE THAT THOSE I ASKED WERE NOT ON A SLIDE. I DON'T KNOW HOW I MANAGED TO DO THAT. HERE WE ARE. THANK YOU. MR. JOHNSON, YOU DID ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE AND SO I THINK WE WILL PROBABLY ASK FOR GUIDANCE TO WALK US THROUGH EACH OF THE THINGS YOU'D LIKE ANSWERED AND WE CAN GO ONE BY ONE. THANK YOU CHAIR. I MEAN I THINK IT STARTS HERE IS JUST BASED ON BLOOMINGTON'S UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS AND HOUSING MARKET ON THE CITY'S GOALS AS IDENTIFIED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE THE BEAT YOU KNOW THE FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN OTHER THAT THE CITY IS DOING THE HRA HAS BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN TRYING CREATE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES ALONG THE FULL CONTINUUM OF HOUSING . BUT JUST FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S PERSPECTIVE I GUESS I WOULD JUST ASK THIS FIRST QUESTION OF SHOULD THE CITY BE SUPPORTING OR ENABLING MORE AND LARGER US HEROES OR CO-LIVING AND THE REASON I SAID MORE AND LARGER IS RECOGNIZE THAT THIS DOES EXIST TODAY. IT JUST EXISTS IN A ROOMMATE SCENARIO AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE NOT AT A HIGH FREQUENCY BUT ANECDOTALLY A FEW ARE YOU KNOW, LESS THAN A HANDFUL OR LESS IN BLOOMINGTON GREAT COMMISSION I'M SURE OF IT. THANK YOU CHAIR. I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND I THINK PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE MARKET WILL BEAR WHAT ACTUALLY GETS BUILT. SO IF WE ARE CREATING ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH MORE AND LARGER S OR SOROS OR CO-LIVING DEVELOPMENTS CAN BE BUILT IN THE MARKET OR PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE THERE THEN THEY THEY WILL I DON'T THINK IT NECESSARILY IS ON TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS THE IS AN APPROPRIATE MODEL OF HOUSING OR IF IT IS HOUSING THAT WE AS INDIVIDUAL PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WOULD WANT TO LIVE IN OURSELVES, I THINK IF WE ARE TRYING TO GET MORE HOUSING AND THIS IS POTENTIALLY A LEVER TO PULL, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD EXPLORE SUPPORT KRISHNAMURTI GENERALLY I AGREE WITH YOU MY ONE HESITATION IS THE THE POTENTIAL LOSS OF OFFICE AND HOTEL SPACE AND SO IF THE MARKET FOR A DEVELOPER IF IT WAS VERY FEASIBLE TO TAKE SOME OF OUR HOTELS OR AN OFFICE BUILDING AND CONVERT THEM AND THEY COULD SELL THOSE UNITS RIGHT AWAY AND THEN AS A CITY WE SOME OF OUR HOTELS OR OFFICE SPACE LIKE IS THAT WHAT WE WANT A CITY IS THAT IS THE RISK OF LOSING SOME OF THAT RECOGNIZING THE MARKET THE HOTEL MARKET IS PRETTY STRONG THE OFFICE MARKET'S IS PRETTY SOFT BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES BLOOMINGTON UNIQUE IS OUR HOTELS FOR SURE AND SOME OF OUR OFFICE SPACE THERE'S A LOT OF BEDROOM COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, CHASKA OR BURNSVILLE OR WHATEVER. THERE'S LOTS OF THERE'S LOTS OF CITIES TO LIVE BUT I BLOOMINGTON IS A CITY YOU COME TO WORK AND SO I DO HAVE A LIKE I JUST WANT TO I GENERALLY I AGREE WITH YOU I DO I DO LIKE THIS IDEA AND I AM SUPPORTIVE OF BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LOSING SO MUCH OFFICE SPACE THAT WE OR HOTELS FOR SURE THAT MAKES US DIFFERENT THAN OTHER CITIES FISH OR CURRY BEACH HERE. YOU KNOW I THINK THAT'S A I MEAN I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. I THINK IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. I THINK YOU KNOW, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LIMITED NUMBER OF OFFICE BUILDINGS DO GET CONVERTED TYPICALLY LIKE I THINK OF IN CLOUD NINE AND HOPKINS WAS ONE MAYBE TEN YEARS AGO OR SO I REMEMBER SEEING THAT NEWSPAPER RECENTLY WE MENTIONED THE ONE IN EAST BLOOMINGTON AND ALTHOUGH I THINK THAT WOULD PULL INVENTORY FROM THE OFFICE FROM BLOOMINGTON. I THINK IT WOULD ALSO YOU BRINGING IN MORE PEOPLE TO LIVE IN BLOOMINGTON IN THOSE COULD ALSO SUPPORT A HEALTHIER OFFICE MARKET BY REDUCING THE VACANCY RATE AND POTENTIALLY BRINGING MORE PEOPLE TO WORK IN BLOOMINGTON. SO I GUESS I'M KIND OF OF THE SAME MINDSET AS COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT AND I THINK THE JUST THE MARKET CAN KIND OF FIGURE THAT OUT. I WOULD JUST BE MY ONLY THINKING IS MORE THE LINES OF HAVING A NUMBER OF SMALLER ASTROS LIKE JUST KIND OF POPPING UP ALL OVER TOWN I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CONTEMPLATED HERE BUT YOU TODAY IN A FOUR PERSON LIKE FOUR ROOMMATES TOGETHER THOSE PEOPLE ARE STILL ORGANIZED RIGHT. SO THEY'RE STILL UNDER A LEASE TOGETHER TO OCCUPY THE SAME SPACE AND ARE ESSENTIALLY KIND OF BOUND BY LEGAL TERMS TO OCCUPY THE SPACE IN IN SUPPORT OF EACH OTHER WHEREAS I THINK MAYBE I'M READING IT WRONG BUT THIS ONE LIKE ONE BEDROOM UNITS ARE BASICALLY YOU DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW ALL THOSE PEOPLE SO YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY HAVING THE SAME RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FOUR PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE LIVING WITH FOR SURE. MR. JOHNSON CAN I MAKE A CLARIFICATION TO THAT IS THAT IN THE ANECDOTAL REPORTING FROM HEALTH THE WHEN I SAID THE HANDFUL OR LESS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS ACTUAL OWNERS INTENTIONALLY RENTING TO NOT A GROUP OF UNRELATE INDIVIDUALS UNDER ONE LEASE BUT ACTUAL LEASING THE BEDROOM FOR SUBLEASES BASICALLY OR MICRO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT TERM WOULD BE BUT INTENTIONALLY RENTING THAT'S THE SITUATION THAT'S VERY UNCOMMON. ONE PERSON GAINING THE LEASE AND HAVING THREE ROOMMATES AS FRIENDS THAT'S MORE COMMON TODAY. JUST TO CLARIFY THAT I KNOW THAT'S JUST NUANCE BUT OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. GROSSMAN. THANK YOU, CHAIR. I THINK THAT I THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO POTENTIALLY USING THIS USE AND I, I, I WITH COMMISSIONER CURRIE THERE'S A CONCERN WITH STRANGERS, YOU KNOW, SHARING THIS AMENITY SPACE TOGETHER AND THE FOR CONFLICT. THAT'S ONE PIECE BUT I ALSO LOOK AT THIS AS HOUSING FOR KIND OF A MIX OF PEOPLE SO I WROTE DOWN YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT A LOT OF MULTI-GENERATIONAL FAMILIES THAT MAYBE WANT TO LIVE UNDER ONE ROOF AND SHARE THAT KITCHEN FOR EXAMPLE AND I THINK THAT THIS GIVES THEM SOME HOUSING TO HAVE SOME SEPARATE SPACE BUT ALSO HAVE SOME SHARED KITCHEN SPACE AS WELL. I ALSO THINK ABOUT DURING COVID I HEARD A LOT OF ABOUT SIMILAR MINDED FAMILIES BEING IN A POD FOR EXAMPLE SOCIALLY DISTANCED TOGETHER THEY DO THEIR CHILDCARE TOGETHER, THEY COOKED MEALS TOGETHER AND IT'S SOMEWHAT LIKE A FAMILY. I THINK THIS IS A HOUSING OPTION FOR THEM THAT WANT TO HAVE THIS POD. SO I THINK OF THAT BEING TWO KIND OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK IT IS PEOPLE THAT WANT TO LIVE TOGETHER BUT ALSO HAVE THEIR SPACE. I ALSO LOOK AT THIS I WROTE THIS DOWN AS WE'VE KIND OF SWUNG FROM DURING COVID EVERYTHING SOCIAL DISTANCE, RIGHT? WE KEPT OUR DISTANCE. WE WERE SEPARATE AND NOW WE'RE KIND OF SWINGING TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PENDULUM BECAUSE HAVE THIS ISOLATION AND I LOOK AT THIS AS I THINK HOW PENNY JOHNSON SENIOR PLANNER JOHNSON MENTIONED IS THAT THIS KIND OF IS ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT COMBATING ISOLATION WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL IN A POSITIVE WAY ESPECIALLY IN THAT DEMOGRAPHIC YOU TALKED ABOUT. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHO ACTUALLY WOULD RUN THESE THESE TYPESF LIVING YOU KNOW THIS TYPE OF HOUSING I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY STRANGERS UNLESS IT'S PEOPLE THAT ARE YOUNG AND OUT OF COLLEGE AND THEY'RE USED TO LIVING WITH STRANGERS AND MAYBE ARE MORE AMENABLE TO THAT. BUT THOSE ARE JUST KIND OF MY THOUGHTS CONCERN TO THINK ABOUT THAT TOO FROM A DEVELOPER PERSPECTIVE COMMISSIONER MORE OF LIKE WHERE THEY MARKET THESE TOWARDS A CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHIC WHETHER IT'S SENIOR HOUSING OR RECENT COLLEGE GRADS OR AIRLINE INDUSTRY PEOPLE. SO YOU DO END UP LIVING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE MAYBE LIKE MINDED AND YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO GET ALONG WITH OR WHATEVER. I THINK FROM A DEVELOPER PERSPECTIVE THAT'S PROBABLY MAYBE WHAT YOU'RE DOING ANYWAY. MM SURE. COOKSON IF I CAN ADD ONE THOUGHT TO THAT IS THAT THIS IS ANECDOTAL AGAIN BUT THE I WAS COMMUNICATING WITH ABOUT KIND OF THIS TREND IS THAT THE MODEL HAS CHANGED IN TERMS OF HOW THEY THAT THEY STILL HAVE TO OFFER FAIR HOUSING REQUIREMENTS OF COURSE AND JUST IN TERMS OF WHO THEY INTERVIEW AND PROVIDE ACCESS TO HOUSING BUT I THINK THAT THEY HAVE DEVELOPED NEW PROCEDURES TO KIND OF TRY AND WORK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE ISSUES WHEREIN THEY'LL HAVE THE ROOMMATES I THINK PARTICIPATE IN AN INTERVIEW OR KIND OF MEET AND GREET BEFORE ROOMMATES SIGN A LEASE TOGETHER. SO I THINK THAT THERE ARE IN SOME OF THESE AREAS WHERE THIS IS A MORE PREVALENT HOUSING TYPE THE ACTUAL OWNERS OR THE MARKET THE DEVELOPERS PROPERTY MANAGERS ARE DEVELOPING NEW PROCEDURAL MECHANISMS TO TRY AND MEET THOSE CHALLENGES IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I THINK WE'RE HEARING YES TO THE FIRST QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THE NEXT THREE QUESTIONS THEY KIND OF TIED TO THE ONES I DO HAVE THE STAFF REPORT AVAILABLE TO US SO I CAN PULL UP THAT LIST. BUT SHOULD A NEW USE CATEGORY BE CREATED SHOULD ASTROS BE ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS? SHOULD THE CITY CREATE NEW STANDARDS FOR CO-LIVING IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOUR CHAIR I'M GOING TO PUT THE STAFF REPORT NOW BECAUSE I THINK THE NEXT SECTION OF THE REPORT WHERE I LOST MY SLIDE THERE MIGHT PUT A FINER POINT ON THESE POTENTIAL CODE AMENDMENTS BUT I'M SORRY POTENTIAL CODE AMENDMENTS SO TO THE EXTENT THIS MAY SEEM ODD BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT WHICH CODE IS SOMEWHAT SILENT ON THIS ISSUE NOW TODAY THIS FIRST BULLET POINT BASICALLY ASKS DO WE NEED TO ADDRESS OR ACKNOWLEDGE THAT CO-LIVING IS FEASIBLE WITHIN A DWELLING ASSUMING THAT YOU KNOW OF COURSE OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENTS ARE MAINTAINED AND THE WAY THAT I'VE SEEN IT KIND OF DONE ELSEWHERE THE CITY OF HOPKINS RECENTLY REDID THEIR ZONING CODE AND THEY HAVE LISTED IN THEIR DEFINITION OF HOUSEHOLD ARE ACTUALLY THEIR USES CALLED HOUSEHOLD LIVING. IT INCLUDES CO-HOUSING AS PART OF THEIR STANDARD COLD HOUSEHOLD LIVING USE. SO IT'S NOT ABOUT IT'S ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DWELLINGS. IT'S NOT ABOUT TYPE OF HOUSING IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO IT'S DIRECTLY INCLUDED IN THE DEFINITION. SO WE WOULD LOOK TO MAKE YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE JUST TO CLARIFY THINGS REALLY AS OPPOSED TO THIS KIND OF NEBULOUS SILENCE THE CODE BEING SILENT. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT AND AND I WOULDN'T DESCRIBE THAT AS ON THE SPECTRUM OF ENABLING OR SUPPORTING USE. I THINK THAT'S JUST KIND OF GOOD JUST POLICY CLARIFICATION AND STUFF. SO YES FOR ME IT WAS RESA YES AS WELL BUT I HAD A QUESTION IS HOW WOULD THIS INTERSECT WITH THE SHORT TERM RESIDENTIAL CODE FOR EXAMPLE SOMEONE WERE TO LIVE IN THEIR BASEMENT AND THEN RENT OUT THE TOP THREE BEDROOMS ON LIKE AIRBNB OR VERBAL AND YEAH THAT'S MY QUESTION GREG GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR RAISING THAT I SHOULD HAVE PROACTIVELY ADDRESSED THAT BUT BASICALLY IF IT'S 30 DAYS OR LESS AND I MEAN THE SHORT TERM RENTAL ITEM WILL COME YOU SOON ENOUGH AND YOU'LL KIND OF SET WHAT THOSE BOUNDARIES. BUT RIGHT NOW AS IT STANDS TODAY EVEN IF YOU'RE CO-LIVING YOUR SRO YOU NEED TO HAVE A LEASE LONGER THAN 30 DAYS BECAUSE THAT'S THE IT'S AT 30 DAYS 30 DAYS OR LESS IS CONSIDER TRANSIENT LODGING ACCORDING TO OUR CODE NOW MAYBE THE FUTURE IT'S SHORT TERM RENTAL OR WE CALL IT A DIFFERENT USE THAT'S KIND OF AN OLDER BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF DAYS LEASED IS KIND OF THE CUTOFF THERE I THINK OF CAMP AS ROBERT THANK YOU CHAIR I THINK GOING BACK TO THE QUESTION OF SHOULD CLARIFY SRO SINGLE OR CO-LIVING OR AND OR CO-LIVING I I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH SRO BUT I THINK THAT POTENTIALLY THERE COULD BE SOME BARRIERS IN TERMS OF NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS WITH THE TERMINOLOGY SRO IF PEOPLE HAVE FAMILIARITY WITH THE FEW EXIST I KNOW ONE IN SAINT PAUL AND I KNOW OF ONE IN MINNEAPOLIS AND SO I REALLY LIKE THE TERMINOLOGY OF CO-LIVING NOT SRO SOROS PERSONALLY BECAUSE I THINK IT JUST INVITES A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A SENSE OF WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS VERSUS MORE OF EVEN WHAT YOU SAID IT MORE LIKE THAT TRANS END IN AND OUT MAYBE NOT GOING TO BE THERE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME SO GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION BUT DEFINING BOTH IS PROBABLY GOOD THING BUT I WOULD ALMOST GET RID OF SRO AND JUST GO WITH ALL IF WE CAN CALL IT ALL CO-LIVING PERSONALLY. YEAH THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT. I MEAN I THINK WHERE AGAIN WHERE IT'S IMPORTANT IS IF OCCUPANCY LIMITS ARE MET IS THAT STILL EVEN CO-LIVING AT THAT POINT AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS WHAT I'M THERE'S TWO THINGS IN MY MIND IS CO-LIVING THAT EXCEEDS THE OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENT SO YOU WANT TO HAVE EIGHT BEDROOMS WITH WITH SHARED FACILITIES WITHIN A SINGLE RIGHT AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF BEDROOMS OR UNITS THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS I KNOW I JUST TOTALLY CAN I CONFUSED MYSELF RIGHT THERE BUT BASICALLY WHERE WE WANT WHERE WE THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE GAINED BY NEW STANDARDS AND HAVING MORE PRECISE REGULATORY STANDARDS IS FOR A LARGER DEVELOPMENTS THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST KIND OF A BIGGER IMPACT AND NEED DIFFERENT THAN A SINGLE DWELLING IN A LOW DENSITY SETTING. SO THAT'S I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT. I HEARD THE EXACT SAME THING FROM THE WHO ARE OPERATING IN THIS DEVELOPNT SPACE THAT THEY KNOW THEY'D LIKE SRO DON'T USE THAT TERM. IT HAS THE BOARDINGHOUSE, IT HAS THE OLD CONNOTATION OF WHERE THESE ARE NOT AMENITY RICH ENVIRONMENTS AND THEY WERE DONE HAPHAZARDLY OR MANAGED HAPHAZARD HAS REALLY. OKAY CAN I GO TO THE NEXT ONE? YES. OKAY THANK YOU. SO INCREASING NAC EMERGENCY LIMITATION. I TALKED ABOUT WHAT SAINT PAUL DID. I MEAN THAT'S THE PIECE OF THIS IS YES IT'S TIED TO A NUMBER. IT ALSO TOO IT TALKED ABOUT A SEPARATE DEGREE IS KIND OF HOW WE DEFINE IT AND MAYBE THAT'S A SEPARATE MATTER AS IT RELATES TO THIS STUDY BUT I THINK ONE OF THE WAYS TO ENABLE SRO I'M SORRY CO-LIVING DEVELOPMENT IS TO INCREASE THE OCCUPANCY STANDARD AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT NUMBER IS. ST PAUL'S AT SIX BLOOMINGTON RIGHT NOW IS AT FOUR FOR UNRELATED AND I SHOULD CLARIFY SIX ADULTS WITH AND CHILDREN IN THEIR CARE SO THAT COULD BE MORE THAN SIX PEOPLE IN SOME INSTANCES FOR SURE BUT YEAH SORRY SHARED. THANK YOU CHAIR SORRY I'M LATE I'M GETTING CONFUSED. SO THE OCCUPANCY STANDARD WILL THIS APPLY TO SINGLE FAMILY AND OR DUPLEXES FOR INSTANCE AND DOING HAVING SIX UNRELATED PEOPLE OR ARE WE STILL ABOUT THAT OR ARE WE THINKING MORE ON A GRANDER SCALE? CHAIR COMMISSIONER CURRY, AS IT STANDS TODAY AND I'M PRETTY SURE AS IT STANDS IN SAINT PAUL BUT THEY ALSO HAVE MORE DEFINED USES AROUND CO-LIVING THEY HAVE ROOMING HOUSE, THEY HAVE A FEW OTHER ONES BUT AS IT STANDS TODAY IN BLOOMINGTON THIS IS JUST A DWELLING SO IT DOESN'T INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY AND SO TWO FAMILY INCLUDES MULTIFAMILY. YOU COULD HAVE FOUR UNRELATED PEOPLE LIVING A MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT ASSUMING THAT ALL OF THE MINIMUM BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT THINGS WERE BEING MET IN TERMS OF SPACE PER INDIVIDUAL COOKING STANDARD, YOU KNOW SLEEPING AND BATHROOM FACILITIES. I MEAN THAT'S REALLY WHAT DEFINES A DWELLING THOSE THREE THINGS AND THEY HAVE MINIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE JUST FOR BUT YES IT INCLUDES THE WHOLE SPECTRUM OF HOUSING. IT'S JUST THINKING ABOUT IT ON A PER UNIT OR PER DWELLING BASIS. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR ME SIX FEELS FINE. I DON'T KNOW I THINK TO WHEN I WAS LIVING IN THE DORMS I MEAN WE HAD 20 GUYS WHO DIDN'T KNOW EACH OTHER AND BEFORE YOU KNOW WE WERE PLAYING YOGURT HOCKEY IN THE HALLWAYS SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS A BIG DEAL FOR SURE THEY COULD SHARE. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M GETTING CONFUSED AGAIN TO ME WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THOSE ARE PEOPLE THAT ALL LIVE IN SEPARATE UNITS ESSENTIALLY BECAUSE EACH UNIT IS A BEDROOM RIGHT? WHEREAS OVER TIME I'D INCREASING THE OCCUPANCY TO SIX WOULD A UNIT BE BASICALLY ONE BEDROOM THEN IN THESE OR NO I'M. NO. SO IF I CAN CLARIFY I PROVIDE LIKE A MULTIFAMILY EXAMPLE AND A SINGLE FAMILY EXAMPLE SO IN A MULTI IN A FAMILY HOME YOU COULD HAVE SIX PEOPLE RESIDING IN A FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE. MAYBE TWO OF THE PEOPLE ARE PARTNERS OR. MAYBE THERE'S TWO SETS OF PARTNERS AND TWO OTHER INDIVIDUALS THAT'S AN OCCUPANCY OF SIX IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THAT EXACT SAME SCENARIO COULD PLAY OUT IN A MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT OR SAY YOU'VE A THREE BEDROOM MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT. ONE OF THE UNITS HAS A COUPLE . TWO OF THE UNITS HAVE BUNK BEDS IN THE HOME ARE TWO SEPARATE BEDS AND THEY YOU KNOW, THAT'S FOR INDIVIDUALS AND THEN ANY MINORS IN THERE I MEAN THAT'S THE SAINT PAUL EXAMPLE AND I'M NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO JUST STAY FOCUSED ON THAT. I'M JUST PROVIDING EXAMPLES OF IT WHERE YOU COULD HAVE SIX UNRELATED PEOPLE LIVING IN A SCENARIO AND I FORGOT TO SAY THIS THIS IS THIS IS KIND OF A REGULATORY RIGHT NOW IN BLOOMINGTON IF YOU'RE A FAMILY YOU COULD HAVE SIX BROTHERS AND SISTERS LIVING TOGETHER WHICH IS OKAY BECAUSE THEIR FAMILY PRIOR YOU ALSO CAN HAVE SIX PEOPLE RESIDING IN A GROUP HOME BECAUSE THAT IS PERMITTED BY STATE LAW BUT IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE GROUP HOME AND YOU'RE NOT BROTHERS AND SISTERS YOU'RE JUST FOUR INDIVIDUALS, YOU'RE LIMITED TO FOUR. SO IT'S KIND OF A REGULATORY INCONSISTENT C IF YOU WILL THAT THAT CAN EXIST AND YOU KNOW, DO SIX BROTHERS AND SISTERS LIVE TOGETHER AND TOO OFTEN MAYBE SOMETIMES. BUT THE POINT IS IS THAT IT'S JUST KIND OF THIS LITTLE BIT OF A SPIDER. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN GET CAUGHT UP IN SOME OF THIS STUFF. I REITERATE THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT YOU HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, YOU HAVE A RENTAL HOUSING PROGRAM INSPECTING AND YOU HAVE YOU HAVE CODE COMPLIANCE FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF DEALING WITH PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ISSUES THAT'S KIND OF THE KEY ISSUE IS SUGAR. I JUST I JUST THINK OF PARKING HONESTLY LIKE SIX UNRELATED PEOPLE THEY'RE ALL I MEAN WHO KNOWS WHAT IF THEY'RE OUT OF COLLEGE OR WHAT AGE THEY ARE OR WHATEVER THE SITUATION IS? I THINK MORE LIKELY THAN WHAT YOU END UP WITH SIX CARS IN A PARKING IN A DRIVEWAY AND ON THE STREET. SO I GUESS I'M INCLINED TO JUST KEEP IT UP FOR PERSONALLY THAT'S ALL AND STRIP AND MORE SPECIFICALLY JUST FOR KIND OF SINGLE FAMILY TO FAMILY SCENARIOS. WHEREAS I THINK WHERE WE TALK ABOUT OFFICE BUILDINGS AND HOTELS AND THAT SORT OF THING ALL, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THERE TO SUPPORT THAT. IT'S A DIFFERENT SCENARIO IN MY MIND. MY QUESTION IS IN REGARDS TO I GUESS I COULD SAY EXAMPLE LET'S SAY SOMEONE LIVED PRETTY CLOSE TO THE AIRPORT AND THEY WANT LEASE OR SUBLEASE THEIR SOME OF THEIR UNITS TO FLIGHT STAFF WHETHER IT'S PILOTS OR YOU KNOW THEY COULD BE LIVING HERE OR NOT BUT THEY'RE NOT THERE FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS. THEY'RE THERE HOW HOW WOULD THAT WORK WITH THE LEASING PART OF IT? YOU KNOW SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY HAD ADVERTISED RIGHT AS A SRO BUT YOU KNOW IT'S A ROTATION OF DIFFERENT FLIGHT FOR EXAMPLE. RIGHT. HOW WOULD THAT WORK WITH THIS ? YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONER YOU SAY SO THAT HAS HAPPENED IN BLOOMINGTON AND THE WAY THAT IT IS KIND OF BEEN RESOLVED OR ADDRESSED OR THE ONES THAT THE CITY IS AWARE OF ARE THE ONES THAT ARE EXPLICITLY ADVERTISING THAT IN SOME KIND OF ONLINE OR OTHER SETTING WHERE IT'S A CLEAR VIOLATION IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT PAINTED IN IT CAN BE VERY DIFFICULT TO TO REGULATE THAT WHICH IN EFFECT IS TRANSIENT HOUSING IN A WAY OR A SHORT TERM WHATEVER TERM YOU WANT TO USE BUT I THINK WE'RE I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK OUT LIKE ON THAT I'M MORE JUST PERIPHERALLY AWARE OF AS OPPOSED TO HAVE EXPERTIZE ON BUT I THINK IT DOES HAPPEN. IT CAN BE HARD TO REGULATE TO AN EXTENT BUT THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION OF ANOTHER CODE RIGHT? IT WOULDN'T FALL IN LINE WITH THIS. IT WOULD BE A VIOLATION AND IF YES IF THEY WERE RENTING FOR LESS THAN 30 DAYS THAT'S A IT'S A CODE VIOLATION. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEP. MICHELLE EBERT. THANK YOU CHAIR. I THINK I'M FINE WITH GOING TO SIX I CAN UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER CURRY'S CONCERN PARKING BUT I MEAN I, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE ARE MANY HOUSES WITH FOUR PLUS CARS AND THEY ALL FIGURE IT IT SEEMS TO WORK JUST FINE DOESN'T REALLY BOTHER ME SO I'M FINE WITH THAT. COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN THANK YOU. CHAIR YEAH I AGREE WITH SIX AND LOOKING AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE PEOPLE THAT THIS POTENTIALLY COULD IMPACT YOU KNOW LOWER INCOME AS WELL AS MAYBE YOU KNOW ELDERLY LESS CARS PROBABLY IS REALISTIC SO I'M OKAY THE SIX FAMILY I'LL THANK YOU FOR THAT MINUS ANY LAST COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT I I'LL TRY AND GO TO THE NEXT QUESTION AND THAT'S JUST CREATING AN SRO OR CREATING A CO-LIVING USE BUT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO FOCUS THAT MORE ON LARGER DEVELOPMENT OUTCOMES WE LISTED 15 UNITS OR MORE THAT'S THE CUTOFF BETWEEN MEDIUM AND HIGH DENSITY IN THE COMP PLAN OR PER ACRE ON A PER ACRE BASIS. SO MAYBE BUT IT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH UH THINKING ABOUT THE OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENT OF EXISTING DWELLINGS IN LOWER DENSITY AREAS IT MIGHT NOT BE 15 IN OTHER WORDS I THINK WE NEED TO EVALUATE THE CUTOFF IS BUT THERE SHOULD BE A CUTOFF WHERE IT'S NOT MULTIFAMILY OR I'M SORRY SINGLE FAMILY TWO FAMILY EITHER LOWER DENSITY USE OR SUBJECT TO THESE MORE RESTRICTIVE OR MORE RESTRICTIVE IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD. OUR SUBJECT TO THESE STANDARDS MORE INTENDED TO LARGER RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OUTCOMES THAT MAKES SENSE. COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN QUICK QUESTION ON THAT IF I MAY. SO IF WE DID THIS THE THAT YOU GAVE FOR SAINT PAUL WAS TO IN TWO UNITS IN ONE BUILDING HOW WOULD OUR APPROACH TO SOMETHING THAT BE TAKEN SO DEPENDING ON AGAIN IN THAT SCENARIO FOR MY INTERPRETATION OF SAINT PAUL CODE AND I KNOW FROM SPEAKING TO THE DEVELOPER INVOLVED THEY'RE DEVELOPING THAT AS A TWO FAMILY DWELLING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENTS. SO IT IS A CO-LIVING DEVELOPMENT BUT IT'S EFFECTIVELY BEING DEVELOPED AS TWO FAMILY DWELLING. YES. SO A SIMILAR SITUATION AS TO HERE IN BLOOMINGTON TODAY YOU COULD DEVELOP A TWO FAMILY DWELLING WITH EIGHT BEDROOMS WITHIN IT AND SHARED COMMON AMENITY SPACES AND EFFECTIVELY HAVE A CO-LIVING DEVELOPMENT TODAY. GOT IT. THANK YOU. I WOULD SAY I'M IN OF THIS SO CREATING A NEW USE WOULD ALLOW FOR THE CREATION OF USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS WHICH SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO ME . I'M IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS. THE ONE THING I WOULD ADD TO THAT TOO IS THAT I THINK THAT PROBABLY INVOLVES SOME INHERENT REEXAMINATION OF THE CONGREGATE LIVING FACILITY AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE POTENTIALLY PUT FORTH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS OF HOW TO CLEAN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT ALLOWING FOR SRO OR CO-LIVING CONVERSIONS FROM HOTEL AND OFFICE USES AGAIN OUR EXISTING PROCESSES JUST TREAT IT AS A NEW DEVELOPMENT SUBJECT TO A NEW REVIEW IT HAS TO MEET THE STANDARDS BUT YOU KNOW THIS MIGHT SOMEWHAT RELATE TO THE STATE OF THOSE MARKETS OF THOSE USES OF MUCH DO YOU WANT TO ENABLE THAT OR PUSH FOR THAT? BUT I THINK SOME CITIES PROBABLY OF TRYING TO MEET A PROBLEM HAVE ONE AND PROBABLY RELATED TO A LOT OF VACANCY HAVE MADE THE PROCESS TO CONVERT MUCH MORE EASIER BY HAVING LOWERED OR EASIER STREAMLINED APPROVAL PROCESS MUCH OF IT. THANK YOU CHAIR. I STILL THINK IT'S INCREDIBLY HARD TO CONVERT OFFICE FLOOR PLAY TO ELSE BUT OFFICE SO I I STILL THINK THAT THE MARKET IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHAT KIND OF WHAT THE MARKET WILL ACTUALLY DO BECAUSE YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS NATURAL LIGHT AND THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF OFFICE SPACE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY NATURAL LIGHT AND SO I GUESS WOULD ALLOW FOR THE CONVERSION BUT. I WOULDN'T EXPECT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF IT MAYBE HOTEL I MEAN I'M I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE KNOW THE CROWNE PLAZA CONVERSION FROM HOTEL TO STUDIOS STUDIO PLUS SIZE UNITS WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ELSE SO I HOPE IT'S BEEN A WHILE SO I DON'T YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW IF THE MARKET IS OUT THERE FOR THAT MAYBE IT IS BUT I THINK YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT WILL BE IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN SO IF WE ALLOW IT AND THEN SEE WHAT HAPPENS I THINK THAT'S BETTER THAN JUST SAYING NO AND MOVING ON. CHRIS ROBERT SORRY. CHRISTOPHER SAYS IT'S ONLY A QUARTER OF THE TENDER I, I THINK BASED ON THE THAT WE HAD ABOUT OUR HOTEL AND OFFICE AND JUST THE SENSITIVITY TO THAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IT BE A CONDITIONAL USE SO WE CAN EVALUATE THE IMPACT TO OUR CITY AS A BODY VERSUS LETTING IT BE PERMITTED. THANK YOU, CHAIR. IF I MAY, JUST ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION. I SHOULD HAVE PUT THIS OUT THERE MORE FRONTALLY BUT I THINK THE THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER TO ALLOW CONVERSIONS ON THE ACTUAL QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, ADDING THIS USE TO COMMERCIALS ARE IN DISTRICTS WHERE OFFICE AND THAT'S LIKE THE TANGIBLE THING THAT WOULD HELP ALLEVIATE THE PROCESS IT WOULD BE REMOVING THAT ELEMENT OF THE ENTITLEMENT PROCESS WHICH IS HIGHLY SO THE MORE DIRECT WITH THAT RELATES TO THIS POLICY QUESTION IS DO YOU HAVE LARGER CO-LIVING DEVELOPMENT AS A PERMITTED OR CONDITIONAL USE IN THESE COMMERCIAL OFFICE DISTRICTS? ARE THESE DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW OFFICE AND HOTEL SO THAT'S I SHOULD HAVE LED WITH THAT I APOLOGIZE AND IT'S ONLY 1015 COMMISSIONER ALBERT THANK YOU CHAIR GIVEN THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THANK YOU MR. JOHNSON THE BOY IF WE HAVE SOME OF THESE LARGE PARKING LOTS THAT DON'T HAVE ANYONE IN FOR A LARGE PERIOD OF TIME OVERNIGHT BUSINESSES THEIR SORRY OFFICES THAT ALL THEIR EMPLOYEES LEAVE AND IT'S JUST A BIG EMPTY PARKING LOT AND IF WE COULD HAVE PEOPLE PARKING THERE AND LIVING THERE I DON'T KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD USE OF OF SPACE THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY BEING USED TO IT'S HIGHEST AND BEST USE 24 SEVEN SO I AM IN YES I AM IN FAVOR OF IT I STILL THINK IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE FEASIBLE FINANCIALLY AND OR WOULD PEOPLE TO LIVE. I MEAN IT SEEMS PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN THE CROWNE PLAZA PROJECT BUT YOU THAT'S A HOTEL WITH A DIFFERENT AMENITIES BUT YOU KNOW I DON'T WHAT WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE TO LIVE IN AN OFFICE BUILDING PROBABLY FINE BUT YEAH I AGREE WITH BOTH COMMISSIONERS GUZMAN AND ALBRECHT AND SO I'M I'M REALLY TORN BECAUSE LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I'M SENSITIVE ABOUT PROTECTING OUR OUR OFFICE SPACE BECAUSE I IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES BLOOMINGTON UNIQUE AND STRONG . BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THAT I THINK MARKET'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF ITSELF. AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHAT OFFICE SPACE GOING TO GET CONVERTED TO THIS USE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE CLASS A OFFICE. IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE OUR WORST OFFICE SPACE THAT THEY CAN'T FIND COMMERCIAL USERS FOR. AND SO IS THIS A BETTER USE THAN AN OFFICE SPACE? THEY CAN'T FIND TENANTS AND IT'S ON ITS LAST LEGS AND PROBABLY COULD USE SOME REVITALIZATION ANYWAY SO. I THINK I'VE KIND OF TALKED MYSELF INTO SIGNING WITH COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THAT I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THIS IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS COMMERCIAL ZONES. THANK YOU CHAIR THAT'S GOOD GUIDANCE THE LAST IS CREATING USE WHAT TYPE OF USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS SHOULD WE BE CONSIDERING AS PART OF THIS NOW AGAIN SOME OF THAT WILL BE DRIVEN BY SOME ADDITIONAL RESEARCH THAT WE DO BUT WHAT WE'VE FOUND THUS FAR IS LOWER STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS WHEN IN PROXIMITY TO HIGH FREQUENCY TRANSIT MINIMUM SITE AREAS PER BEDROOM FLOOR AREAS PER BEDROOM MINIMUM COMMON SPACE REQUIREMENTS PER BEDROOM YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN ESTABLISH MINIMUM RESTROOM FACILITIES ABOVE STATE BUILDING CODE BUT MAYBE INCENTIVES COULD BE A APPROACH THERE. BUT I NEED TO REVIEW THAT SOME MORE WITH THE OUR BUILDING STAFF AND WITH LEGAL OF COURSE BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE FOUND THUS FAR . SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE'RE MISSING FROM THAT. AND I SHOULD ALSO SAY THAT SOME OF THE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT ARE MULTIFAMILY STANDARDS WILL ALSO BE RELEVANT AND WE WOULD YOU KNOW, TRYING TO ALIGN THOSE TO THE WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE . I DON'T SEE ANY COMMENTS HERE . OKAY. GOOD HEAD NODDING AND THEN FINALLY THIS ONE IS STUFF THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON WITH OUR PORT AND HRA STAFF WHO ARE YOU KNOW MORE HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH OHSU BUT JUST NOTE THAT IF WE WERE GOING TO BRING YOU SOME AMENDMENTS IT'S LIKELY THAT WE WOULD BE MAKING SOME AMENDMENTS TO THE OPPORTUNITY HOUSING ORDINANCE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS THESE CHANGES . MR. CURRY THANK YOU. THANK CHAIR I DON'T KNOW IF WE DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED THAT. I MEAN THE I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT COMPLETELY IN THAT IT IS I THINK VERY DIFFICULT TO TO HAVE CONVERSIONS. BUT WE'VE ALSO SEEN I THINK AS AN EXAMPLE SOMEBODY SAYING WELL WE DON'T NEED ANY TIFF MONEY TO DO THIS OR ANY ANY CITY SUPPORT SO I DON'T KNOW I DON'T IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO SUBSIDIZE. JUST TO CLARIFY. YEAH, JUST TO CLARIFY ON THAT POINT. SO WHAT THE INCENTIVES WOULD BE DOING IS NOT PROVIDING SUBSIDY BUT THEY'RE THEORETICALLY EXCUSE RIGHT NOW MULTIFAMILY HOUSING ABOVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT DEPENDING ON THE AFFORDABILITY LEVEL REDUCES YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENT OR REDUCES YOUR STORAGE REQUIREMENT OR YOUR OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENT IN SOME INSTANCES AND. SO ONE OPTION IS JUST TO HAVE CO-LIVING JUST ALIGN WITH THE SAME INCENTIVES FOR THOSE RESTRICTIONS TO CODE STANDARDS MULTIFAMILY. ANOTHER OPTION IS TO PROVIDE EVEN INCENTIVE FOR CO-LIVING GENERALLY OR FOR CONVERSIONS THAT MEET CERTAIN I MEAN YOU COULD DO IT IN A NUMBER OF YOU COULD DO IT IN A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS BUT IT'S NOT TIED TO FINANCIAL SUBSIDY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO SORRY IF I CONFUSED THAT. NO NO I'M GOOD WITH A AND IT THANK YOU CHAIR DOES IS IT BEEN ON THE TABLE TOO NOT QUALIFIED CO-LIVING UNDER THE OPPORTUNITY ORDINANCE IN THAT IF IF IT BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS IF THEY DON'T PROVIDE ANY AFFORDABILITY THERE'S A FEE LIEU RIGHT YES YEAH. OKAY SO THEN IF SO COULD THE INCENTIVE BE FOR CO-LIVING THAT IT IS THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT AT ALL AND NO FEE IN LIEU POSSIBLY A CHAIR COMMERCIAL BREAK POSSIBLY. I THINK THAT WOULD GIVEN THE NATURE OF OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENTS AGAIN HOW THERE CAN BE SOME GAMING OF THAT SYSTEM AND MAYBE IT'S HELP I'M NOT THINKING OFF TRACK HERE BUT I THINK THAT I COULD ENVISION A SCENARIO WHERE THERE WOULD BE SOME LEGAL CONCERNS ABOUT SUBJECTING VERY SIMILAR USE TO THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND ANOTHER ONE NOT EVEN THOUGH THERE ALMOST IDENTICAL USES IN A DIFFERENT WAY BUT I COULD BE WRONG AND NOW IT'S 1020 INSTEAD OF 1015 MAYBE MAYBE I WANT MY BRAIN ONE OVER THE HILL BUT YEAH THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON THAT QUESTION UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DIRECTION I MEAN THAT'S IT ALL HAVE BEEN GREAT AND PROVIDING ME GUIDANCE AND FEEDBACK. MR. JOHNSON YOU HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION FIRST OF ALL WHETHER WE WANTED TO SEE THIS AGAIN AS A YES STUDY ITEM OR IDEA HOW DID YOU PUT IT BECAUSE THE PRECISE CODE AMENDMENTS ARE NOT BEING PRESENTED BEFORE YOU AS PART OF THIS INITIAL STUDY WE WONDERED OR WANTED YOU TO CONFIRM THAT YOU WANTED US TO BRING THE CODE AMENDMENTS BACK IN A DRAFT FORM BEFORE A PUBLIC HEARING ENVIRONMENT. I THINK BE IN FAVOR OF I'M SEEING WHAT HAD NOT. OKAY THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE, MR. JOHNSON? THAT'S IT. THANK YOU YOU'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT WITH ME. THANK THANK YOU. AND THAT GO TO CITY COUNCIL ON JULY 1ST. RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE THEN TO ITEM NUMBER FIVE WHICH IS THE DRAFT PLANNING SYNOPSIS FOR MAY 23RD NO BUT WE DO HAVE A QUORUM I CAN QUICKLY PULL THAT UP PRESENCE MAY 23RD COMMISSIONER ROHMAN COMMISSIONER GOLDMAN AND COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT TO COMMISSIONER COOKTOWN AND COMMISSIONER CURRY AS IT WERE COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN COMMISSIONER ISA. SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF THOSE WHO ARE PRESENT. MR.. ALBRECHT THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I MOVED TO APPROVE DRAFT 523 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SYNOPSIS SECOND MOTION IN A SECOND TO APPROVE THE MAY 23RD PLANNING COMMISSION SYNOPSIS ANY DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED ABSTAIN ABSTAIN ABSTAIN THAT MOTION PASSES FOR TWO ZERO WITH TWO ABSTENTIONS. THANK YOU. WE WILL MOVE NOW TO ITEM NUMBER SIX WHICH IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE MR. CROCKER TURCOTTE AND COMMISSIONERS YOUR NEXT MEETING IT'S A THREE WEEKS NOT TWO WEEKS. SO JULY 11TH THAT'S DUE TO THE 4TH OF JULY HOLIDAY TALKED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ABOUT THE FOUR ITEMS ON THAT MEETING, THE FIRST ONE BEING THAT SWEARING IN OF NEW COMMISSIONERS. I WOULD NOTE THAT MONDAY NIGHT THE CITY COUNCIL APPOINTED TWO NEW COMMISSIONERS DEANNA WHITE AND KEVIN CUNNINGHAM. SO THEY SHOULD BE STARTING JULY 11TH AND THEN JULY 25TH. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CRICKET SPORTS TRAINING . SO FIRST IN BLOOMINGTON, 107 ON ONE HAMPSHIRE AVENUE SOUTH AND THEN STUDY ITEM AND A SHORT TERM RENTALS. SO AND THEN I DID WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT TONIGHT THE LAST MEETING OF COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN SO I JUST WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS FOR SIX GREAT YEARS OF SERVICE AND. I WOULD NOTE TOO THAT COMMISSIONER GOLTZMAN HAD PERFECT ATTENDANCE THIS YEAR SO THAT'S QUITE AN ACCOMPLISHMENT AS WELL WELL. THANK YOU MR. WORK REGARD THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GLEASON FOR SIX YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THAT THIS CONCLUDES THE JUNE 20TH MEETING OF THE LONG TERM PLANNING COMMISSION. GOODNIGHT