>> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR COUNCIL AND EXECUTIVES, I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL STUDY, AND A QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT ITS IMPLEMENTATION. SO JUST A QUICK UPDATE AND REFRESHER ON THIS GRAPHIC THAT I THINK YOU HAVE SEEN MANY, MANY TIMES BY NOW. SO THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN ON GOING FOR SOME TIME, WE STARTED WITH REGULAR UPDATES AT THE CITY COUNCIL, RESEARCH OF THE ISSUE, THEN THE COUNCIL ADOPTED INTERIM MEASURES, AND THOSE ARE STILL IN EFFECT. WE'VE BEEN RECENTLY IN THIS OUTREACH AND DATA COLLECTION PROCESS WORKING WITH TASK FORCE, ASSESSING THE EFFECTIVENESS OF OUR CURRENT TOOLS AND ARE VERY CLOSE TO A RECOMMENDATION ON PERMANENT MEASURES, AND THEN THAT'S LEADING INTO WHAT WE HOPE WILL BE ADOPTION OF PERMANENT MEASURES AND RECOMMENDATION OF PERMANENT MEASURES. SO HOW WE GET BETWEEN KIND OF STAGES 3 AND 4 IS WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS. IS THAT HELPFUL TO -- ALL RIGHT FANTASTIC. ALL RIGHT. SO FINAL STUDY -- THE FINAL STUDY REPORT IS EXPECTED, WE ARE MEETING WITH THE TASK FORCE THIS WEDNESDAY. THAT WILL BE WE'RE LOOKING -- WE'VE ACTUALLY PUBLISHED A DRAFT REPORT, THAT'S OUT -- THEY'LL BE REVIEWING THAT WITH THE TASK FORCE WEDNESDAY NIGHT. THEY WILL BE EDITING IT LIVE IN THEIR MEETING, AND WITH THE ANTICIPATION TO ADOPT SOME VERSION OF THAT REPORT AT THEIR MEETING. SO THAT WILL INCLUDE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL GO FORWARD TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THEN OUT OF THAT WILL COME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR PERMANENT MEASURES, FOR DEVELOPMENT UPDATES AS WELL AS REGISTRATION PROGRAM. NOW, ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS HERE IS THAT THAT REGISTRATION APPLICATION DEADLINE WILL TAKE SOME TIME TO ADOPT, SO WE THINK APPROXIMATELY THREE MONTHS AFTER ADOPTION, WE WILL ACTUALLY HAVE THE DEADLINE FOR PEOPLE TO REGISTER. SO WE'LL NEED TIME TO ROLL IT OUT, TO ADVERTISE, AND JUST GIVE PEOPLE TIME TO APPLY. SO WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE IS MARCH 19th, WE CAN BRING FORWARD TO YOU THE FINAL REPORT, SUNSETTING OF THE TASK FORCE AND POTENTIALLY A REGISTRATION PROGRAM THAT'S COMPLIANT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TASK FORCE. THEN THAT WOULD ALSO ALLOW THROUGH MARCH US TO WORK THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, WITH THE HEARING AT P&Z IN APRIL, AND THEN THOSE AMENDMENTS TO MOVE FORWARD TO COUNCIL AT THE END OF APRIL. ALTERNATIVELY, WE HAVE AN OPTION WHERE YOU STILL GET YOUR FINAL REPORT FROM THE TASK FORCE IN MARCH WITH A SUNSETTING OF THE TASK FORCE, AND THEN AGAIN ZONING AMENDMENTS STILL ON THE SAME TIME LINE HOWEVER THE COUNCIL WOULD HEAR THE ZONING AMENDMENTS AND THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM AT THE SAME TIME. WHAT THAT MEANS IS JUST WITH THE EARLIER ADOPTION OF REGISTRATION, YOU LET THAT THREE MONTH TIMELINE START TICKING A LITTLE EARLIER, VERSUS OPTION 2, THE THREE MONTH TIMELINE FOR IMPLEMENTATION STARTS TICKING A LITTLE LATER, IT'S ABOUT A MONTH DIFFERENCE, SO ONE OPTION, IT'S EARLIER, ONE OPTION, IT'S LATER, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROS AND CONS WITH EITHER ONE, SO WE'RE HERE TO ASK FOR YOUR FEEDBACK AS TO IF ONE OR THE OTHER IS MORE FAVOR TO BELIEVE THE COUNCIL. THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: I THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS BEFORE WE HAVE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM SO GO AHEAD. >> THE FIRST SPEAKER IS GREG PATILLO. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M A PLANO RESIDENT FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS, UNIVERSAL KIDS RESORT IS THE LATEST EXAMPLE OF ATTRACTING VISITORS, MAYOR CHENEY NOTED THAT WITH THE ADDITION OF THE PARK HE EXPECTS THE YEARLY VISITORS TO GROW FROM ABOUT 7 MILLION TO 10 MILLION. MY QUESTION IS IS PLANO GOING TO DONATE ITS HOUSING TO SUPPORT TOURISM INDUSTRY WHEN THERE WERE HOTELS THAT WERE BUILT AND CONTINUE TO BE BUILT FOR JUST THAT PURPOSE. THE FRISCO THAT RETRACTED ITS BOND OFFERING THAT WOULD JOIN IN McKINNEY'S EFFORTS OPTING TO CLAIM THAT FOR THEMSELVES, THE FRISCO THAT CLAIMS ALL 2% OF THE AVAILABLE LOCAL SALES TAX FOR THEMES CONTENT WITH ALLOWING PLANO TO SERVE AS A DFW TRANSIT OPTION FOR THEIR RESIDENTS. 60% OF THEIR LAND AVAILABLE VERSUS PLANO'S 4% HAS A TREMENDOUS ADVANTAGE IN MITIGATING THE IMPACT OR LOSING HOUSING INVENTORY TO THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL INDUSTRY. MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU IS LET'S GET IN THE GAME AND COMPETE, SEIZE THE OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF YOU TO ENFORCE AND STRENGTHEN THE CURRENT ZONING THAT DOES NOT PERMIT SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. OFFER HOME BUYERS WHAT IS SURE TO BECOME THE HOLY GRAIL OF RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE. ASSURANCE THAT THE HOME NEXT DOOR WILL NEVER BECOME A HOTEL. SELLERS AND REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONALS SERVING THE PLANO MARKET CAN OFFER PROSPECTIVE BUYERS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE IN ANY OTHER CITY NORTH OF DALLAS, WHEN IS A 30-YEAR-OLD HOME IN PLANO MORE DESIRABLE WHERE A HOME IN FRISCO WILL BE ONE FOR SALE SIGN AWAY FROM HAVING TRANSIENTS NEXT DOOR. NATURALLY FROM LOCATION DESIRABILITY RATHER THAN ARTIFICIALLY FROM REDUCTION IN INVENTORY. AND FORCES THEM TO OFFER HIGHER WAGES AND TO HIRE AND RETAIN STAFF, MY CHALLENGE TO YOU, THE PLANO LEADERS AND REPRESENTATIVES SITTING ACROSS FROM ME TONIGHT GOING TO PROTECT OUR SAFETY, QUALITY OF LIFE, SCHOOLS, NEIGHBORHOODS BUSINESSES OR WILL YOU ALLOW PLANO TO ONCE AGAIN GET PLAYED BY FRISCO? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING AND YOUR EFFORTS TO ENSURE PLANO CONTINUES TO BE THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE. >> ENRIQUE RAMIREZ? >> ENRIQUE RAMIREZ? THAT'S IT. >> Mayor Muns: SO WE ARE PRESENTED WITH A COUPLE OF OPTIONS IN REGARD TO THE PERMANENT MEASURES OPTIONS. OPEN IT UP TO THE COUNCIL IN REGARD TO THEIR PREFERENCE. ANTHONY? >> Ricciardelli: MR. MAYOR, I WOULD GO WITH OPTION 2. THE REASON BEING THAT I REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR, A LONG TIME AGO, WHEN WE KIND OF STARTED THIS PROCESS, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT DOING REGISTRATION UP FRONT OR AT THE SAME TIME AS THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND WE DECIDED -- EXCUSE ME -- WE DECIDED AT THAT TIME TO WAIT ON REGISTRATION AND WORK THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS. YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE SO CLOSE TO FINISHING THAT PROCESS OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO ARE ONLY ONE MONTH DIFFERENT ON THE TIMING FOR THE REGISTRATION ORDINANCE, AND OPTION 2 PRESERVES WHAT I THINK WE WERE KIND OF MOVING TOWARD LAST YEAR WHEN WE SAID LET'S WAIT ON REGISTRATION AND, YOU KNOW, TACKLE THAT AT THE SAME TIME OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, SO I PERSONALLY WOULDN'T GIVE THAT UP OVER A ONE MONTH DIFFERENCE, I WOULD LEAN TOWARD OPTION 2. >> RICK, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? >> WE'VE GOT TO BE SOMEWHAT PATIENT, BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT. I MEAN, WE HEARD FROM THE CITIZENS OF WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE, AT THE SAME TIME WE KNOW WHAT WE CAN LEGALLY DO. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI, THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF GET THIS MOVING FORWARD. I DO LIKE OPTION 1, THOUGH, BECAUSE AGAIN IT'S ALMOST LIKE OPTION 2, BUT WE'RE DOING IT WHERE YOU HAVE MORE CONSIDERATION OF REVIEWING THE ORDINANCE TO ME, AND GETTING US READY TO THE NEXT STEP WHICH IS THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO I -- THAT'S WHAT I'M KIND OF GETTING AT. I'D RATHER DO OPTION ONE AND GET IT EARLY, AND THEN HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE CAN HAVE REVISIONS FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING IF THAT'S THE CASE. AND MOVE IT FORWARD, BUT AGAIN, WHAT ANTHONY SAYS OR COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI SAYS, WE CAN DO IT EITHER WAY, SO IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER TO ME, BUT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. >> MAYOR PRO TEM? >> Prince: I THINK -- I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR DOING ONE OR THE OTHER, THAT WOULD REALLY ONLY BE MY -- I'M NOT SURE I HAVE A STRONG FEELING EITHER WAY. EVE WANTED TO DO THE RENTAL REGISTRATION ALL ALONG, WHICH IS WHAT I'VE SAID, SO I'M FOR GETTING THAT GOING. BUT I DON'T HAVE A STRONG FEELING OF DOING IT EARLY OR LATER. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR? >> Tu: I KIND OF LEAN TOWARD WHAT RICK IS SAYING BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF OPINION, WE KNOW THAT ANTHONY WOULD PROPOSE SOME CHANGES OR ANOTHER. [ LAUGHTER ] SO I WOULD DEFINITELY GO WITH OPTION 1 SO THAT WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME IF THERE'S ANY MODIFICATION THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. THAT WOULD GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME SINCE THE -- I GUESS OUR SUNSET ON THE -- ON THE BAN IS COMING UP IN MAY, SO WE PROBABLY WANT SOMETHING IN PLACE PRIOR TO THAT. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. >> Williams: I'M IN FAVOR OF OPTION 2 FOR THE VERY REASON THAT WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER CHANGES WHERE BOTH THE ZONING AND THE REGISTRATION MAY CONTAIN ELEMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED IN TANDEM, AND IF WE'VE ALREADY PUT THE REGISTRATION TO BED, WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE ABLE TO DO THAT WHILE WE'RE CONSIDERING THE ZONING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HYPOTHETICAL CIRCUMSTANCES THERE WOULD BE WHERE WE WOULD NEED TO CONSIDER THEM IN TANDEM, I HAVEN'T READ ANY OF THAT, BUT I SEE THAT POSSIBILITY. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER? >> Holmer: I DIDN'T REALLY FEEL STRONGLY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I'M SURE WE WILL GET FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE ON WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH? > >> Smith : THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'M PRETTY FLEXIBLE WITH EITHER OPTION. I THINK PROBABLY PERHAPS IS A LITTLE MORE WEIGHT TO DOING OPTION 2 SIMPLY BECAUSE FROM WHAT I KNOW TODAY, OUR STUDY GROUP HAS REALLY PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT INTO THIS. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF GOOD DETAIL INFORMATION, SO I THINK IT MIGHT BE A TAD RUSHING IT IF WE TRY TO ACT UPON SOMETHING AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE GET THAT INFORMATION. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE MORE TIME FOR US TO ABSORB THAT, AND I DON'T THINK AGAIN WAITING AN EXTRA, YOU KNOW, MONTH IS GOING TO CREATE THAT MUCH -- BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY I WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER PERHAPS EXTENDING OUR TEMPORARY BAN AS PART OF THIS PROCESS FOR ANOTHER YEAR, BECAUSE LET'S GIVE THIS REGISTRATION TIME TO GET ENACTED AND GOING BEFORE EVERYTHING IS OPENED BACK UP AGAIN. >> Mayor Muns: CHRISTINA, IS THERE ANY PREFERENCE FOR PLANNING DEPARTMENT IN REGARD TO HOW THIS ALL FLOWS AND MAKING SURE YOU MEET ALL THE DEADLINES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT? >> I THINK WE'RE PREPARED TO GO WITH EITHER OPTION. >> Mayor Muns: EITHER WAY. >>> Tu: CAN I JUST SUPPLEMENT WHAT I JUST SAID, MR. MAYOR? THE REASON WHY I THINK OPTION 1 IS GOOD BECAUSE THEN WE GET THE CONSIDERATION, BUT I DON'T -- I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO ADOPT UNTIL WE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT SOME MORE TO DO MORE REVISION. SO OPTION 2 BASICALLY WOULDN'T GIVE US THAT CONSIDERATION UNTIL MUCH LATER IN THE MONTH, AND I WOULD RATHER HAVE IT EARLIER SO THAT WE CAN DO MORE -- YOU KNOW MORE HAGGLING INVESTIGATION TO REVISION IF THERE'S ANY NEED FOR REVISION EARLIER. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON -- I'M NOT -- I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ADOPT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGISTRATION PROGRAM PRIOR TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING -- >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO ON THE 19th IS DO A PRELIMINARY OPEN BRIEFING ON WHAT THE RENTAL REGISTRATION PROGRAM KEY POINTS ARE, AND THEN BRING BACK FOR ADOPTION ON THE 22ND BOTH ELEMENTS OF -- I THINK SHARING THAT WITH THE PUBLIC OBVIOUSLY IS CRITICAL, IT WILL BE SHARED WITH THE TASK FORCE, BUT IF IT HELPS KIND OF SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE, WE'RE HAPPY TO BRING BACK A PRESENTATION ON THE 19th. KIND OF THE KEY BULLET POINTS FOR A SHORTER PRESENTATION ON THE 19th, BUT THAT WAY THEY'RE PUBLIC, WE CAN BRING BACK BOTH FOR ADOPTION ON THE 22ND, AND THAT WILL ALLOW SOME TIME FOR MARINATING, IF YOU WILL, BETWEEN THE TWO. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOOD ON THAT. THANK YOU. ITEM 3, HERITAGE PRESERVATION GRANT PROGRAM OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE FUNDING. >> DIRECTOR FOR PLANNING, HOPEFULLY YOU CAN HEAR ME -- >> Mayor Muns: TURN -- SEE IF YOU CA TURN IT UP TOWARD YOU. >> IS THAT ANY BETTER? ALL RIGHT, I'M HERE WITH PERHAPS THE LONGEST TITLED ITEM OF THE EVENING. WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT SOME INFORMATION ON THE HERITAGE GRANT PROGRAM, IN 2010 COUNCIL ESTABLISHED SOME PROGRAM RESTRICTIONS ON O&M FUNDING. THAT INFORMATION IS IN THIS CHART BEFORE YOU. THOSE RESTRICTIONS HAVE REMAINED IN PLACE UNTIL A SITUATION LAST YEAR SO LAST YEAR THE NORTH TEXAS MASONIC HISTORICAL MUSEUM AND LIE PRAYER REQUESTED AND RECEIVED SOME O&M FUNDS. SINCE THAT TIME, THE MASONIC LIBRARY AND OTHER RECIPIENTS HAVE INQUIRED ABOUT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES. THIS YEAR ANTICIPATES A MILLION DOLLARS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR GRANT FUNDS, IN PREVIOUS YEARS, MOST PREVIOUS YEARS THERE'S BEEN HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AVAILABLE, AND OF THAT 570,000 HAS BEEN ALLOCATED FOR O&M, WE'RE SEEKING FEEDBACK FROM YOU SHOULD PROGRAM RESTRICTIONS BE AMENDED TO MAKE FUNDING? AND AGAIN, O&M WILL BE TIED TO A SPECIFIC PROGRAM, PROJECT OR EVENT, IF SO, SHOULD THE CURRENT CAP FOR THE THREE ORGANIZATIONS BE RAISED AND IF SO BY HOW MUCH. WE'RE HERE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT, WE'RE AVAILABLE SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> ONE OF THE ONES WE LOOKED AT I THOUGHT LAST YEAR ALSO WAS THE TEXAS POOL. I KNEW THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR SOME O&M FUNDING TO HELP OFFSET THEIR COST, AND SEEING THAT IT WAS PROBABLY MAYBE NOT THE SAME VEIN AS THE MASONIC LODGE, BUT STILL IT'S GOT SOME HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED, WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED, AND PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY THAT'S IN THIS ROOM HAS BEEN SWIMMING THERE. SO ARE WE JUST GOING TO BE RESTRICTING IT JUST TO THE MASONIC LODGE AND INCREASING THAT TO THAT 1 MILLION OR DO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCLUDE THE TEXAS POOL. >> I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE ASKING IS SHOULD WE MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO ADDITIONAL ORGANIZATIONS INCLUDING TEXAS POOL. >> COUNCILMEMBER RICCIARDELLI. >> SORRY, MAYOR. >> Mayor Muns: NO, GO AHEAD. >> POLICY DECISION, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF EXCEPTIONS, I GUESS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE IS THAT THE RULE THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO GO WITH IS CONSIDERING O&M AS PART OF THAT, AND THAT'S THE GENERAL QUESTION. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU MAYOR. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I ASKED THE STAFF TO RUN SOME NUMBERS BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN CAPPED THE WAY IT IS FOR A LONG TIME, FOR 15 YEARS, SINCE FISCAL YEAR 09-10, AND JUST TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THE REST OF THE COUNCIL INFLATION DURING THAT PERIOD HAS BEEN 46%, YOU KNOW, SO WHEN THESE NUMBERS WERE FIRST SET, YOU KNOW, A DOLLAR IS -- WELL, I WAS GOING TO SAY IS WORTH 46% LESS, THAT'S NOT QUITE RIGHT. THERE'S BEEN 46% INFLATION SINCE THESE CAPS WERE SET, BUT THE CAPS ARE STILL WHERE THEY ARE. ALSO THAT YEAR HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX REVENUES WERE A LITTLE OVER 4 MILLION DURING THE CURRENT YEAR, THEY'RE A LITTLE OVER 14 MILLION, SO WE'VE SEEN A TREMENDOUS INCREASE IN HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX REVENUES, BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN AS MUCH OF AN INCREASE IN BOTH OUR CULTURAL ARTS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION GRANT, AND SO I THINK THAT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF RAISING THE CAP, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE TIME HAS PASSED, INFLATION HAS OCCURRED, HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX REVENUES HAS MORE THAN TRIPLED, AND I WOULD ALSO BE IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING ADDITIONAL ORGANIZATIONS TO APPLY FOR O&M FUNDING. >> Mayor Muns: ANYBODY ELSE? >> I LIKE YOUR ANALYTICS. >> I SUPPORT THAT AS WELL. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY. DO WE HAVE PARAMETERS SET IN PLACE OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO COME BACK -- >> WE CAN COME BACK AND DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. PERFECT. IS THAT OKAY? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OH, I AM SO SORRY. YEAH. GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY, LISA, GO AHEAD. >> WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS, ROBERT PINNELL. >> >> Mayor Muns: YOU THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE HARD, DIDN'T YOU, ROBERT? >> MR. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY STAFF, SENIOR OFFICERS, AND ALL, MS. HENDERSON, I AM STILL ROBERT F PINNELL, PLANO RESIDENT OF OVER 40 YEAR, REPRESENTATIVE AND CURRENTLY SECRETARY DIRECTOR OF THE NORTH TEXAS MASONIC HISTORICAL MUSEUM AND LIBRARY. MR. MAYOR, MR. CITY MANAGER, YOU DO NOT PAY YOUR CITY PLANNING STAFF ENOUGH. THEY HAVE PUT UP WITH ME SINCE SEPTEMBER THE 23RD OF 2022 ON THIS ISSUE. THEY'VE BEEN EXTREMELY POSITIVE, VERY PROFESSIONAL, AND MOST OF ALL ALWAYS AVAILABLE. AND WE HAVE STRUGGLED THROUGH THIS SITUATION WHICH WAS UNTENABLE TO THEM, I WILL SAY THAT, HAVING BEEN A FORMER SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN. HAVING SAID THAT, I HAVE MADE MY CASE CLEAR TO YOU ALL, YOU'VE SEEN IT IN WRITING, AND ESPECIALLY TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TU, COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI, AND ALSO COUNCILMAN SMITH HAS HEARD SOME OF IT PRIVATELY IN ONE OF OUR PRESENTATIONS. SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE. I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT PERSONALLY WITH BRIAN SHEPY WHO WAS THE HERITAGE COMMISSIONER CHAIRMAN DURING 2009-2010 ON WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. MR. MAYOR, WE HAVE DONE OUR HOME WORK. THESE ARE ALL THE E-MAILS. THIS IS NOT PROBABLY ABOUT A FOURTH OF MY -- OF WHAT I HAVE IN MY FILE AT HOME THAT HAVE GONE OUT. IT WAS A MESS IN 2009, IT WAS A MESS IN 2023. HAVING SAID THAT, I ASKED SHEPY, WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE DONE? AND HE HAD WRITTEN TO A MEMO TO THE MAYOR THEN, WHO I THINK WAS DRYER, AND HE SAID WE NEED TO GET OFF THIS O&M THING. WE NEED TO TIE THIS TO THE PROJECTS THAT THE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DO TO PRESERVE THE HERITAGE OF PLANO. AND I SAID HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT? HE SAID MAKE IT BLOCK GRANTS. WE DISCUSSED IT. FOR EXAMPLE, NOW, THIS IS AN EXTREME AND I HOPE IT DOESN'T OFFEND ANYONE, MUSEUM AND LIBRARY AT THIS MOMENT IS PERMITTED TO USE OUR WATER BILL AGAINST THE HERITAGE COMMISSION GRANT. THE ONLY THING WE USE OUR WATER FOR IS TO FLUSH OUR RESTROOMS AND WASH OUR HANDS, WHICH MIGHT BE A NICE THING TO DO, BUT THE PEOPLE UP IN THE BACKUP HERE WITH TEXAS POOLS NEEDS THAT WATER FOR SOMETHING ELSE AND IT COULD BE TIED TO THAT. SO I RECOMMEND YOU MIGHT CHECK WITH MR. SHEPY AND FULL DISCLOSURE, AND I'LL CLOSE, SHEPY WAS THE CHAIRMAN BUT AT THE SAME TIME HE WAS ALSO DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, IF MY MEMORY FAILS, A DIRECTOR ON THE MUSEUM AND LIBRARY, AND LATER DURING THE YEAR OR A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER BECAME THE PRESIDENT. YOU MIGHT SAY HE MIGHT BE BIASED. I SAY HE WOULD BE FAIR, BECAUSE HE WAS VERY FAIR WITH ME, I OFFER HIS NAME AS A SOURCE THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONTACT TO SEE HIS IDEAS. MS. DAY, YOUR GROUP HAS DONE A HECK OF A JOB WITH ME AND I APPRECIATE IT AND I HOPE WE CAN GET THIS SETTLED. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> HANNAH (INDISCERNIBLE). >> WHILE SHE MAKES HER WAY DOWN, WE AGREE ABOUT THE CONTEXT OF OUR PLANNING STAFF AND THE CHARACTERIZATION, SO THANK YOU. >> I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE, AND FOR THE TEXAS POOL TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE FUNDING FOR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE. I'VE BEEN THE LIFE GUARD DIRECTOR FOR THE TEXAS POOL FOR SEVEN YEARS, SO I'M VERY INVOLVED IN THE DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS, COSTS AND FUNDING. SO WE HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE HISTORICAL GRANT COMMUNITY FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, AND WHAT'S -- AND THAT HAS ALLOWED US TO STAY AFLOAT AND CONTINUED TO DO VERY NECESSARY RENOVATIONS TO OUR WONDERFUL HISTORIC FACILITY. WHAT PROHIBITS US FROM CONTINUING THOSE OPERATIONS OR CONTINUING THOSE RENOVATIONS IS OUR OPERATIONS COSTS, SO IN THE LAST YEAR ALONE, WE SPENT CLOSE TO $100,000 JUST TO PAY LIFE GUARDS AND TO PAY TO KEEP OUR WATER BEAUTIFULLY BLUE AND CRYSTAL CLEAR FOR ALL OF THE WONDERFUL TOURISM THAT WE GENERATE FOR THE CITY. SO WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS OPERATIONS AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM IS CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDAS. >> MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM O. >> Mayor Muns: ITEM O? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM IS COUNCIL ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION AND ACTION ON FUTURE AGENDAS. WE'LL TAKE A RECESS AND RETURN AT 7:00. [ RECESS ] . . >> Mayor Muns: I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IS RECONVENED INTO OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. WE'LL BEGIN TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING WITH THE INVOCATION LED BY DR. TERREN DAMES WITH NORTH DALLAS COMMUNITY BIBLE FELLOWSHIP. AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND TEXAS PLEDGE LED BY BROWNIE TROOP 1674 WITH THE CUSTER ROAD UNITED METHODIST CHURCH. WILL YOU PLEASE STAND? >> GOOD EVENING. LET'S GO BEFORE THE LORD, AMEN? OUR FATHER AND OUR GOD, WE THANK YOU FOR THE GRACE THAT YOU'VE LAVISHED UPON US. I THANK YOU FOR THE CITY COUNCILMEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE HERE THIS DAY, SEEKING TO MANAGE THE AFFAIRS OF THIS LOCAL AREA. FATHER, THEY HAVE PLACED THEIR HARD EFFORTS AND DILIGENCE INTO SERVING THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY, AND I ASK THIS DAY THAT YOU WOULD GRANT THEM WISDOM, FOR YOU SAID IN YOUR WORD, IF ANYONE LACKS WISDOM, LET THEM ASK GOD AND IT WILL BE GIVEN TO THEM. I PRAY THAT YOU GRANT THEM WISDOM IN MANAGING THE AFFAIRS OF THE CITY OF PLANO. PROTECT THEM, HAVE ANGELS WATCH OVER THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES AND ALLOW YOUR SPIRIT TO GOVERN THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS, TO DO WHICH IS RIGHT AND JUST IN YOUR SIGHT. WE'LL BE CAREFUL TO GLORIFY YOU IN YOUR MIGHTY AND MAJESTIC (INDISCERNIBLE). IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN. (PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE) (TEXAS PLEDGE) >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, BE SEATED. RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. THERE WE GO. BECAUSE Y'ALL WERE THE STARS OF TODAY OKAY? HERE WE GO. >> THE CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTROVERSIAL. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION BY A COUNCIL MEMBER, THE CITY MANAGER OR ANY CITIZEN. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS. >> Ricciardelli: MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM O. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. PLEASE VOTE. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM O. MOTION PASSES 8-0. ITEM O. >> City Clerk: ITEM O, ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE CERTAIN HERITAGE RESOURCES WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO AD VALOREM TAX RELIEF AS ALLOWED BY THE HERITAGE TAX EXEMPTION ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE FOR REINVESTMENT INTO MAINTENANCE AND LONG-TERM PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES, PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU. SO I FULLY SUPPORT THIS PROGRAM, AS I HAVE, I GUESS, WHAT IS THIS, THE SEVENTH YEAR FOR SOME OF US THAT WE'VE DONE THIS? BUT FOR SOME REASON, THIS YEAR IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A HERITAGE PRESERVATION PROGRAM, WE COULD ACTUALLY REIMBURSE THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE PROPERTY TAX LOST WITH HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX REVENUE, WHICH WE TYPICALLY FUND THEM SINCE HERITAGE PRESERVATION IS ONE OF THE THINGS ELIGIBLE FOR H.O.T. REVENUE AND SINCE THEY ENCOURAGE TOURISM TO PLANO. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY, FOR US TO REIMBURSE THE GENERAL FUND FOR LOST PROPERTY TAX REVENUE FROM THIS PROGRAM WITH HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX REVENUE IN THE UPCOMING 2024/2025 BUDGET. I MOVE WE APPROVE THE ITEM WITH THE ADDITIONAL DIRECTION TO THE STAFF TO PREPARE THE 24/25 BUDGET IN SUCH A WAY THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX IS REIMBURSING FOR THE LOST PROPERTY TAX REVENUE >> AND COUNCILMAN, I THINK YOU ALSO WANTED US TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE RE-ESTIMATE FOR THIS YEAR >> Ricciardelli: YES, THANK YOU. THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC, THANK YOU. >> DOUBLE-CHECKING. >> Ricciardelli: YES, I WILL AMEND MY MOTION TO INCLUDE WHAT THE CITY MANAGER SAID ABOUT THE RE-ESTIMATE FOR THE CURRENT 23/24 YEAR. >> Williams: SECOND IT, INCLUDING BOTH AMENDMENTS. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. ANY -- I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. GO AHEAD, MARIE. >> Tu: SO I JUST HAVE SOME COMMENTS. I WOULD LIKE -- I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, IF THIS IS GOING TO APPLY, IT SHOULD APPLY TO ALL HERITAGE-TYPE PROJECTS. AND I'M WONDERING WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S SUFFICIENT RESEARCH WITH REGARD TO HOW THE FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED SO THAT IT DOES NOT -- I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK AND SAID OH, MY GOD, IF WE'RE DOING IT FOR THIS PROJECT, ARE WE DOING IT FOR EVERYTHING ELSE? AND END UP BEING A SNOWBALL EFFECT FOR REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE HOTEL AND MOTEL TAX. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE -- FROM PAIGE, AS WELL AS FROM MARK, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT NEED ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS AND RESEARCH PRIOR TO DOING SO. >> SO WE DON'T NEED AN ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ACTION. BUT I DO THINK BRINGING BACK AN ANALYSIS AS PART OF THE BUDGET DISCUSSION WOULD BE WISE SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LONG-TERM IMPLICATION OF WHAT THE PRECEDENCE MIGHT BE FOR THE HOTEL/MOTEL AND CONVENTION AND TOURISM FUND OVERALL. SO WE'D BE HAPPY TO BRING THAT BACK AS PART OF THE BUDGET DISCUSSION SO YOU CAN HAVE A MORE ROBUST ANALYSIS AT THAT TIME. >> Ricciardelli: AND I'LL SAY, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA TO DO THAT. JUST A QUICK RESPONSE TO THE GREAT QUESTION RAISED BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TU. AS WE SAW IN THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT HERITAGE PRESERVATION, OUR HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX REVENUES ARE OVER $14 MILLION IN THE PRESENT YEAR. THIS PROGRAM, I BELIEVE, IS A LITTLE UNDER 100,000, SO THERE'S CERTAINLY FUNDING IN THAT 14 MILLION FOR THIS AMOUNT. WE'VE FREQUENTLY TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO USE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX REVENUE TO MEET MORE, I GUESS, KIND OF CORE CITY FUNCTIONS, SO REIMBURSING THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH I THINK IS LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE HERE. I CHECKED WITH THE STAFF BEFORE THE MEETING. YOU KNOW, WOULD BE A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL FREEING UP GENERAL FUNDING FOR THOSE CORE CITY FUNCTIONS, AND THEN ALSO I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY THE OUTLIER. I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING, HERITAGE PRESERVATION IS CURRENTLY BEING FUNDED THROUGH HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX REVENUE. THIS, BECAUSE IT'S A PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION, HAS BEEN FUNDED BASICALLY THROUGH LOST PROPERTY TAX REVENUE. IT TURNS OUT WE CAN REIMBURSE THAT SO INSTEAD OF COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, THIS WOULD, LIKE OTHER HERITAGE PRESERVATION PROGRAMS, BE FUNDED OUT OF HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX REVENUE. GIVEN WE'RE ALWAYS SAYING WHAT CAN WE DO MORE WITH HOTEL TAX REVENUE. I AGREE, HAVING A MORE FULL-FLEDGED DISCUSSION DURING THE BUDGET IS A GREAT IDEA. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM O IN THE CONSENT AGENDA. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8-0. NEXT ITEM. >> City Clerk: PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL, IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME, WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY AMEND THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. NONPUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY, AND MAY INCLUDE A CUMULATIVE TIME LIMIT. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER REQUESTS ARE RECEIVED UNTIL THE CUMULATIVE TIME IS EXHAUSTED. ITEM NUMBER 1. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2023-021 TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NO. 2015-5-2, AS HERETOFORE AMENDED, REZONING 5.0 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF ENTERPRISE DRIVE, 175 FEET NORTH OF PARK BOULEVARD IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, FROM CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-72-SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE ATTACHED; DIRECTING A CHANGE ACCORDINGLY IN THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY; AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> THIS ZONING CASE IS ZONING CASE 2023-21. AND IT IS A REQUEST TO REZONE FIVE ACRES FROM CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WITH THE BASE ZONING OF SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE ATTACHED IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY. SO THE SLIDES IN FRONT OF YOU SHOW THE PROPERTY OUTLINED WITH THE AERIAL VIEW. YOU CAN SEE IT'S ALONG ENTERPRISE DRIVE, WHICH IS IN THE VICINITY OF PARK BOULEVARD AND U.S. 75. YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE NOTICE BOUNDARIES, WHICH EXTEND TO ALMA DRIVE TO THE WEST. THE SURROUNDING LAND USES INCLUDE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH MULTI-FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY, AND A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL USES. THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED BY THE DEVELOPER. YOU CAN SEE THERE IS FLOODPLAIN THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED WITH A PARK TO THE WEST, INCLUDING A TRAIL. AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT OF 25 TOWNHOMES, INCLUDING OPEN SPACE AND BUFFERS FROM SURROUNDING USES. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES DESIGNATE THIS PROPERTY AS BOTH NEIGHBORHOOD AND OPEN SPACE NETWORK ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THE ANALYSIS OF THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWS THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP EITHER PARTIALLY MEETS OR MEETS WITH REGARD TO DESCRIPTION AND PRIORITIES, MIX OF USES, AND CHARACTER-DEFINING ELEMENTS. THE TRIGGER, THE DEFINING POLICY IS TRIGGERED HERE BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED AT THREE STORIES WITH ADDITIONAL ROOFTOP DECKS. THIS DOES MEET THE ADDITIONAL MAPS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE UNDEVELOPED LAND POLICY. HOWEVER, THERE ARE CONCERNS WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT POLICY DUE TO THE HEIGHT, BUT IT IS NEUTRAL TO ACTION 8. SO WITH REGARD TO RESIDENTIAL USE, BUILDING HEIGHT, AND ADJACENCY AND ACCESS, THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. WITH THAT, I WILL SHOW THE PD STIPULATIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THREE STORIES, 45 FEET. TYPICALLY WITHIN THIS ZONING DISTRICT, THE LIMITATION WOULD BE TWO STORIES, 35 FEET. THEY ARE PROPOSING ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR LIVING AREAS, PATIOS, AND ROOF DECKS ABOVE THE THIRD STORY. THAT WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF 45 FEET IN HEIGHT. THERE ARE SETBACKS AND LANDSCAPE BUFFERS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THIS PROPERTY, INCLUDING A WROUGHT IRON FENCE. THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING A SIDEWALK WITHIN THE CHISM TRAIL AND ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE THAT'S COMMITTED TO AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. WE DID HAVE ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT AND ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION FROM ADJACENT HOME PROPERTY OWNERS. YOU CAN SEE THE OPPOSITION LETTER JUST BARELY CLIPS THE 200-FOOT NOTICE AREA, SO IT'S, PERHAPS, A LITTLE HARD TO SEE ON THE VERY UPPER RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN. AND THEN FURTHER COMMENTS WERE PROVIDED WITH 15 TOTAL RESPONSES IN OPPOSITION AND 2 IN SUPPORT. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS CASE BY A VOTE OF 7-0. HOWEVER, DUE TO THE ISSUE OF BUILDING HEIGHT AND REGIONAL AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT ACTION ONE, FINDINGS ARE REQUIRED SHOULD THE COUNCIL DECIDE TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST. THERE IS A PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT, AND THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> THE ONLY SPEAKERS WE HAVE ON THIS ARE THE APPLICANTS THIS EVENING, PHYLLIS JERELL AND WARREN PACKER. >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS WARREN PACKER. AND MY COMPANY IS P CUSTOM HOMES. WE ARE BUILDING TWO ALMOST IDENTICAL PROJECTS TO THIS ONE, ONE IN FARMERS RANCH NEAR MERCER CROSSING. AND THE OTHER ONE IS OVERLOOKING LAKE LOUISVILLE. THEY'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. WE'VE BUILT ALL THROUGH COVID, AND IT'S BEEN A NIGHTMARE THE LAST FEW YEARS, BUT BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. PEOPLE, THERE'S LUXURY, THEY HAVE A PLACE FOR AN ELEVATOR IN EACH UNIT. THERE'S A ROOFTOP ENTERTAINMENT AREA THAT'S 1,000 SQUARE FEET THAT HAS A GLASS WALL ON ONE SIDE, FIVE, SIX-FOOT TO TEN-FOO WALLS ROUNDING IT, SO IT'S KIND OF A PRIVATE UPSTAIRS PATIO WITH A TV, A GRILL, REFRIGERATOR. AND IF THEY SO CHOOSE, AN ELEVATOR. THESE ARE LARGE UNITS. AND ON A TWO-STORY TOWN HOUSE, YOU CAN'T PUT MUCH MORE THAN 1,800 TO 2,000 SQUARE FEET ON THE FIRST TWO FLOORS. SO IF YOU DON'T, YOU HAVE TO GO TO A THIRD FLOOR IF YOU WANT A BIG, OPEN KITCHEN/FAMILY CONCEPT. AND THEN THE ROOFTOP DECKS, THEY'RE FLAT ROOFS AND THE HIGHEST WALL ON THE ROOF IS 10 FEET, SO AT 45 FEET, IT'S REALLY THREE STORIES PLUS THE HEIGHT OF A PERSON. BUT WE'VE TRIED TO WORK THROUGH ALL THE ISSUES WITH STAFF FOR THE PAST 12 MONTHS PROBABLY. WE'VE LOST QUITE A FEW LOTS. IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT SITE BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE AND JUST THE CURVATURE OF THE STREETS, THE FLOODPLAIN. YOU KNOW, HALF OF IT IS FLOODPLAIN THAT HAS TO BE RECLAIMED. BUT BEYOND THAT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SOLD 50 OF THESE IN THE 800 TO 1.3 MILLION IN THE PAST FOUR YEARS. AND THE PRODUCT THAT WE WANT TO BUILD HERE IS THE SAME PRODUCT. AND I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION OR MAYBE YOU -- BUT IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I'M PHYLLIS JERELL WITH CITY CENTRAL PLANNING. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH P CUSTOM HOMES ON THIS PROJECT AND WANTED TO BRIEFLY GO THROUGH SOME OF OUR PRESENTATION SO YOU CAN SEE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE PRODUCT THAT WE PLAN TO BUILD ON THIS PROPERTY. MR. PACKER WENT THROUGH SOME OF THE BASICS ABOUT THE 25 TOWN HOUSE LOTS. THEY ARE THREE STORIES WITH ROOF DECKS FOR OUTDOOR LIVING. GENERALLY IN THE 2800 TO 3,000 SQUARE FOOT SIZE. AND THEN EACH UNIT HAS A TWO-CAR GARAGE PLUS DRIVEWAYS. IN ADDITION, THERE WILL BE VISITOR PARKING SPACES ON THE SIDE. PROXIMITY AND ADJACENCY TO SPRING CREEK PROVIDES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE A DIRECT TRAIL CONNECTION TO CHISM TRAIL, SO HOMEOWNERS WILL HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THOSE RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. WE DO PLAN TO PROCEED SERVE AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE ON THE SITE, AND THERE WILL BE AN ONSITE DOG PARK. THIS IS A COLOR RENDERING OF THE LOT LAYOUT, STREET LAYOUT. THIS IS CONCEPT PLAN. JUST SOME PHOTOS OF THE INTERIORS OF THE TOWN HOUSES JUST SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY'RE LAID OUT AND ALSO THE QUALITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN THE ROOF DECKS. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT ROOF DECKS. THESE HAVE PROVEN TO BE A VERY ATTRACTIVE AND DESIRABLE OFFERING FOR HOMEOWNERS FOR OUTDOOR LIVING. VERY POPULAR WITH THE HOME BUYERS IN THE OTHER CITIES, AND WE'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO BRING THIS TO PLANO AS WELL. MS. DAY WENT OVER THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, TRYING TO RESPECT THE ADDITIONAL ADJACENCY STANDARDS BY INCLUDING SOME MINIMUM SETBACKS FROM THE APARTMENTS TO THE NORTH AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH. WE ARE PROVIDING ADDITIONAL SCREENING AND FENCING AND HAVE COMMITTED TO THE ADDITIONAL HALF ACRE OF OPEN SPACE. THERE ARE INFILL DEVELOPMENT CHALLENGES WITH THIS PROPERTY, LIKE MOST INFILL TRACKS. WE DO HAVE AN EXISTING CONNECTION TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE TO THE SOUTH. THIS WAS INSTALLED SEVERAL YEARS AGO TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL STACKING AWAY FROM THE ENTERPRISE DRIVE INTERSECTION WITH PARK BOULEVARD. IT WILL STAY IN PLACE, BUT IT WILL BE MODIFIED TO GET THE DRIVEWAY FURTHER AWAY FROM THE TOWN HOUSES, YET STILL PROVIDE IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO BOTH PROPERTIES. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, PHYLLIS. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? ALL RIGHT. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 1. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES PLEASE. >> Williams: JUST AN OBSERVATION. WHEN WE TOOK THE VOTE FOR WILLOW BEND, AS COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI RIGHTLY POINTED OUT, THE SPECIFIC REDEVELOPMENT OF WILLOW BEND HAD BEEN CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I SEE THIS AS A VERY UNIQUE SPOT OF LAND THAT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CONSIDERED WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS. AND I CAN SEE WHERE IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL WITH THIS, SO EVEN THOUGH THIS IS GOING TO REQUIRE FINDINGS, AS IT DOESN'T CONFORM TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I'M IN SUPPORT. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. ANTHONY? >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST SOME BRIEF COMMENTS. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS SAID. NOT ONLY IS THIS A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE, BUT THE ONLY THING THAT TRIGGERS THE FINDINGS POLICY IS THE BUILDING HEIGHT BEING TEN FEET HIGHER THAN OTHERWISE ALLOWED. I LOOKED THROUGH THE 15 OPPOSITIONS THAT CAME IN, AND I DON'T THINK I SAW THE WORD HEIGHT ONCE. I DON'T THINK WHAT TRIGGERS THE FINDINGS POLICY IS REALLY WHAT'S OF CONCERN TO ANYBODY. AND YOU KNOW, IT IS A UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCE. SO I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE CASE THAT WE LOOKED AT TWO WEEKS AGO. FOR THAT REASON. AND ALSO IN THAT CASE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING IN PLANO, AND HERE WE'VE GOT IT. I'M IN SUPPORT. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 1. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8-0. WE'LL TAKE FIVE MINUTES TO COMPLETE FINDINGS. >> City Clerk: AND THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY DOWN. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> City Clerk: ALICE IS BRINGING THEM DOWN, SO THEY SHOULD BE HERE SHORTLY. (RECESS) >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. WE ARE RECONVENED. NEXT ITEM. >> City Clerk: ITEM NUMBER 2. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2023-029 TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NO. 2015-5-2, AS HERETOFORE AMENDED, GRANTING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NO. 63 FOR ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION ON 3.4 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED 1,440 FEET WEST OF NORTH STAR ROAD AND 940 FEET SOUTH OF PLANO PARKWAY IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, PRESENTLY ZONED RESEARCH/TECHNOLOGY CENTER, DIRECTING A CHANGE ACCORDINGLY IN THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY; AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> ZONING CASE 29 IS A REQUEST FOR AN SUP ON 3.4 ACRES IN THE RESEARCH TECHNOLOGY DISTRICT. SO HERE IS THE PROPERTY. IT IS THE WESTERN PORTION OF A LARGER LOT. SO YOU CAN SEE THE NOTICE AREA INCLUDES THE LOT ITSELF, PLUS SOME ADJACENT PROPERTIES BUT DOESN'T EXTEND OUT TO THE FRONTAGE OF NORTH STAR. SO THIS GIVES, I THINK, A LITTLE BETTER PERSPECTIVE LOOKING AT THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPERTY. IT IS A DATA CENTER, WHICH IS A USE ALLOWED BY RIGHT ON THIS PROPERTY AND THEN THE ELECTRIC SUBSTATION SERVES THE DATA CENTER ON THIS PROPERTY. THERE ARE ELECTRIC TRANSMISSION LINES SHOWN IN BLUE ALONG THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEN THOSE ARE THEN CONNECTED TO THE PROPOSED SUBSTATION THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE DATA CENTER USE. ONE INTERESTING FACT ABOUT THE PROPERTY IS THERE IS FLOODPLAIN IN THIS AREA. HOWEVER, WE HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE THAT WILL NOT BE A COMPLICATION. IT CANNOT BE ACCOMMODATED THROUGH THE ENGINEERING OF THE SITE. THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED IN CENTERS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. IT DOES MEET -- THIS REQUEST MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT OR THERE'S NO CHANGE OR IT'S NOT APPLICABLE. WE'VE HAD NO RESPONSES WITHIN THE NOTICE BOUNDARY OR WITHIN OUR ONLINE RESPONSE MAP TO THIS CASE. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS CASE WITH A VOTE OF 7-0. AND WE DO NOT REQUIRE FINDINGS ON THIS CASE. WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> City Clerk: WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS, BOTH REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING. CAMERON LASSITER AND BILL DAHLSTROM. >> BILL DAHLSTROM, 2323 ROSS AVENUE. WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. CAM LASSITER IS ALSO HERE, BASICALLY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, BILL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT REGARDING THE SUBSTATION? THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> MR. MAYOR? >> Mayor Muns: YEAH. >> WITH THE DATA CENTERS THAT ARE SPRINGBOARDING UP THROUGHOUT PLANO, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THIS IN FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ALSO. SO I HAVE TO SAY, I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS, AND I'D MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD AND APPROVE THIS AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. WELL, WAY TO GO. MOTION AND A SECOND FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8-0. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM. >> City Clerk: ITEM NUMBER 3. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2023-014 TO AMEND ARTICLE 8 (DEFINITIONS), ARTICLE 14 (ALLOWED USES AND USE CLASSIFICATIONS), ARTICLE 15 (USE-SPECIFIC REGULATIONS), AND ARTICLE 16 (PARKING AND LOADING) OF THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NO. 2015-5-2, AS HERETOFORE AMENDED, TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUBS AND TO INCLUDE PROVISIONS FOR ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY AIRCRAFT; AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS ITEM WAS TABLED AT THE OCTOBER 23 AND NOVEMBER 27, 2023 COUNCIL MEETINGS. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JORDAN ROCKERBY, INTERIM PLANNING SUPERVISOR IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AS MENTIONED, THIS ITEM HAS BEEN TO COUNCIL TWICE BEFORE, LAST TABLED NOVEMBER 27th WITH NO DISCUSSION. AND BEFORE THAT ON OCTOBER THE 23rd. AT THAT OCTOBER 23rd MEETING, COUNCIL DID REQUEST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM STAFF. THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE NOVEMBER PACKET AND AGAIN IN YOUR PACKET FOR TONIGH'S MEETING. AS A REMINDER IN TERMS OF LOCAL REGULATION, CITIES CANNOT STEP INTO THE FAA's JURISDICTION, CANNOT REGULATE THE FLIGHT OF AIRCRAFT, THAT MEANS WHERE THE AIRCRAFT FLY, HOW HIGH THEY FLY, THE NUMBER OF FLIGHTS FROM THE DRONE LOCATION OR CONTENTS CARRIED BY THE AIRCRAFT. WE ARE ABLE TO USE OUR TYPICAL LAND USE AND ZONING POWERS TO REGULATE THE LOCATION OF HUBS AND OTHER GROUND-BASED FACILITIES, SIMILAR TO THE WAY THE CITY ALREADY REGULATES HELIPORTS, HELIPADS, AND AIRPORTS. THERE WERE CONCERNS VOICED BY THE COUNCIL ABOUT PRIVACY. FOR THE MOST PART, THE CITY CAN'T DO MUCH TO ALLEVIATE THESE CONCERNS. AGAIN, THE FLIGHT OF AIRCRAFT IS REGULATED BY THE FAA. THERE IS SOME REGULATION IN TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE 423, WHICH CONCERNS THE OPERATION OF UNMANNED AIRCRAFT. AND MANY OPERATORS JUST HAVE VOLUNTARY BEST PRACTICES IN TERMS OF HOW THEY OPERATE THEIR AIRCRAFT BECAUSE THEY, OF COURSE, ARE SENSITIVE TO THE CONCERNS OF THEIR CUSTOMERS IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY OPERATE IN. OPEN STORAGE AND SCREENING WAS ANOTHER TOPIC OF HOT DISCUSSION. IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, OPEN STORAGE IS PROHIBITED IN FRONT OF THE PRIMARY BUILDING IN THE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. THIS IS WHERE A LOT OF OUR LAND USES, WHICH MIGHT MAKE USE OF A DRONE DELIVERY HUB ARE LOCATED. OUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE, WHICH WOULD INTRODUCE DRONE DELIVERY HUBS, WOULD ALLOW OPEN STORAGE-LIKE USES WITHIN A DRONE STAGING AREA. AND THAT AREA COULD BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS A WAY TO HAVE THESE USES FURTHER AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL USES, WHICH ARE TYPICALLY BEHIND OUR SHOPPING CENTERS. ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS WITH THE USE-SPECIFIC STANDARDS IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY, AS MENTIONED, WE WOULD ALLOW THE DRONE STAGING AREA TO BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WHICH IS NOT PERMITTED FOR OPEN STORAGE. THERE WOULD BE AN EXEMPTION FROM ANY SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE LANDING PADS AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL DISCRETION TO COMPLETELY WAIVE THE SCREENING REQUIREMENT WITH THE APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN. THAT CURRENTLY IS NOT AN OPTION AVAILABLE TO THEM IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE. SO IN SUMMARY, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF YOU CONTAINS AMENDED DEFINITIONS TO ALLOW ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY AIRCRAFT. THOSE ARE THOSE AIR TAXIS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. ALSO INCLUDE USE SPECIFIC STANDARDS REGULATING THE COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUBS. THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE IS TO SUPPORT THE MEASURED IMPLEMENTATION OF THESE NEW TECHNOLOGIES IN OUR COMMUNITY TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES AND TO MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY AMONG SIMILAR USES AND STANDARDS ALREADY PRESENT IN OUR ORDINANC. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE POLICIES CONTAINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THERE HAVE BEEN NO ADDITIONAL RESPONSES SINCE THIS WAS LAST BROUGHT FORWARD TO COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER, SO WE STILL SIT AT 2 NEUTRAL AND 4 OPPOSED WITH 6 TOTAL UNIQUE RESPONSES. THERE WERE, HOWEVER, A COUPLE DUPLICATE RESPONSES AS CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS PROVIDED MULTIPLE COMMENTS TO EACH TIME THAT THE ITEM WAS AGENDIZED. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS CASE WITH A VOTE OF 6-2. AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, JORDAN. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU, JORDAN. JUST REAL QUICK QUESTION. REALLY, THE ISSUE WE HAVE HERE, WE CANNOT REGULATE THE FLIGHT. THAT'S BY FAA, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> Horne: AND WE ALSO, THE ONLY OTHER THING WE LOOK AT IS NOISE. WE HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE FROM AN OPERATION PERSPECTIVE THAT WE CAN REGULATE. >> CORRECT. >> Horne: SO IT APPEARS RIGHT NOW THAT THE ONLY THING WE'RE FACED WITH IT THE STORAGE CONTAINERS FOR THESE UAs IN PLACEMENT OF THOSE AND SCREENING OF THOSE. IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE? >> CORRECT. THAT IS ONE OF THE MAJOR COMPONENTS OF THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AND HAS BEEN DISCUSSED A LOT, IS WHERE THE OPEN STORAGE LOOKING ACTIVITIES OCCUR ON THE PROPERTIES AND WHAT SORT OF REGULATIONS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND WHETHER THEY'RE THE SAME AS WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR OPEN STORAGE TODAY OR IF WE TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY AS A UNIQUE LAND USE. >> Horne: AND WHAT WOULD BE THE SECOND ITEM OUTSIDE OF OPEN STORAGE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS IN THE ORDINANE? >> WE ALSO HAVE IN THE ORDINANCE THE LAND USE TABLE, SO WHERE IT IS NOT PERMITTED. CURRENTLY I BELIEVE IT'S IN THERE AS BY RIGHT WHEN IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH A PRIMARY RETAILER SERVICE USE. >> Horne: MM-HMM. SO TO GET AROUND THAT, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN SUP FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY? >> SO AN SUP WOULD BE REQUIRED IF YOU HAVE A DRONE DELIVERY HUB. I FORGET EXACTLY WHAT THE DEFINITION IS. BUT WE SPLIT IT INTO TWO, ONE FOR SMALL UAS AND ONE FOR LARGE UAS. THE ONE WITH THE LARGER WOULD WOULD BE BY RIGHT.E SMALLER - >> Horne: FOR EXAMPLE, AMAZON, WHICH HAS THE LARGER UAs, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE SUP, WHEREAS SOMEONE WHO HAS A DRUGSTORE DELIVERING MEDICATION, WHICH WOULD HAVE A SMALLER UA. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE AN SUP. IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> Horne: SO THEN FOR THE SMALLER UAs, REALLY THE ONLY THING WE'RE LOOKING AT IS STORAGE AND OPEN CONTAINER? >> YEAH, THE STORAGE AND YOU HADN'T BROUGHT UP NOISE BEFOREHAND. THERE IS ALSO A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT FOR HOW FAR THE PAD HAS TO BE FROM RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS YEAH. >> Horne: OKAY, GREAT. WELL LISTEN THANKS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> City Clerk: WE DO HAVE SEVERAL SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. THE FIRST ONE IS SCOTT SHOFTMAN, AND HE IS JOINING US VIA ZOOM. GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT. MAYOR AND COUNCIL OF PLANO, I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME THE TIME TO SPEAK HERE TODAY. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK SINCE THE ORIGINAL AND SECOND TABLING OF THIS PLANNING AND ZONING ITEM. YOU KNOW, WE WERE HAPPY TO HAVE A NUMBER OF COUNCILMEMBERS OUT FOR IN-PERSON DEMONSTRATIONS TO EXPERIENCE THE FOOTPRINT, AS WELL AS THE NOISE AND THE BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH THESE OPERATIONS. MY NAME IS SCOTT SHOFTMAN, DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS FOR AVSI. WE WORK REALLY CLOSELY WITH THE LARGEST COMPANIES PURSUING AND ENABLING DRONE DELIVERY AND APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE BEFORE THE COUNCIL TODAY. THE PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE IS NOT WORKABLE AS WRITTEN. WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF WORK HAS GONE INTO DRAFTING IT BUT THERE ARE ALSO MANY CHANGES NEEDED TO MAKE IT FLEXIBLE ENOUGH FOR LOGISTICS WHILE ALSO MEETING CONSTITUENT NEEDS. WE SUGGEST IT BE REMANDED TO PLANNING AND ZONING SO WE CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS TO CRAFT EITHER CHANGES TO THE EXISTING CODE OR TO THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. SORRY FOR NOT GETTING IT TO THE E-MAIL BY 4:00, BUT SPECIFICS ON THE RED LINES SHOULD BE THERE AND AVAILABLE. THANK YOU AGAIN TO THOSE WHO WERE ABLE TO COME OUT AND MAKE VISITS. I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND AND WERE ABLE TO SEE SORT OF A SMALL VARIETY OF HOW DRONE DELIVERY IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING IN NORTH TEXAS, THE EPICENTER FOR INNOVATION AND GROWTH AND LOGISTICS IN THE UNITED STATES. SPLITTING ANY PROPOSED ORDINANCE ACROSS WEIGHT CLASSIFICATION IS NOT THE RIGHT PATH. MOST CURRENT OPERATORS ARE UNDER 135, AN FAA CLASSIFICATION, REQUIRING MAINTENANCE PROTOCOLS, SAFETY ASSESSMENTS OF THOSE OPERATIONS. THE RULES ASSESS THE OVERALL RISK BASED ON MANY FACTORS, NOT JUST THE WEIGHT OF THE AIRCRAFT. WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED WAYS TO APPROPRIATELY SCREEN THESE OPERATIONS WHILE REMAINING FLEXIBLE AND NOT IMPACTING AVIATION SAFETY. CURRENTLY ONLY ONE OPERATION USES A METAL FENCE THAT CAN BE PARTIALLY SCREENED WITH BREATHABLE MESH, AS WE DISCUSSED WITH COUNCILMEMBERS TO VISUALLY OBSCURE ANY ACCESSORY ITEMS. ANOTHER ITEM IS TORN DOWN AND BUILT UP. IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNCIL, WE WERE TOLD THE SMALLER FOOTPRINT WOULD LIKELY FAIL TO FALL WITHIN THE CURRENT CODE AS REQUIRED WITH SCREENING. A NEWER CONCEPT IS COMING SINCE DISCUSSIONS HAVE HAPPENED WOULD PLACE AN ACCESSIBLE OPENING ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND ALLOW FOR A CARRIER POD, SECURELY PULLED BACK IN THE DRONE FOR DELIVERY. THESE ARE A HANDFUL OF WAYS WHICH -- >> 20 SECONDS. >> LESSONS TO LEARN, FEEDBACK AND RECEIVED BY CITIZENS AND RETAIL PARTNERS AROUND THE WORLD. FOR THESE REASONS, IT'S NECESSARY ANY ORDINANCE ADDRESSING DRONES DOES SO. HAVING CERTAINTY MEANS OPERATORS IN THE CITY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT WITH NEW AND ONGOING DEPLOYMENTS AND SITES. WE SENT ALONG THE PROPOSED RED LINES THAT WE THINK MEETS THE NEEDS OF PLANO. >> IT'S TIME. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> City Clerk: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS KELLEN BLOSSOM. >> HELLO, COUNCIL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU VERY SHORTLY. MY NAME IS KELLEN BLOSSOM. I LEAD PUBLIC POLICY FOR ZIP LINE, WHICH IS A GLOBAL DRONE DELIVERY COMPANY. WE OPERATE IN EIGHT DIFFERENT COUNTRIES ON THREE DIFFERENT CONTINENTS AND HAVE DELIVERED ALMOST 10 MILLION PRODUCTS VIA DRONES AND COMPLETED NEARLY A MILLION COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY FLIGHTS. WE ARE INCREDIBLY APPRECIATIVE OF THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS ORDINANCE. UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE COMING A LITTLE LATER TO THE PLANO GAME THAN SOME OF THE OTHERS. WE JUST DECIDED IN JANUARY ALONG WITH OUR PARTNER WALMART THAT WE WANTED TO EXPAND TO THE DFW AREA. SO UNFORTUNATELY, WE MISSED OUT ON A NUMBER OF THE NEGOTIATIONS AND THE ORDINANCE THAT HAD HAPPENED BEFORE. AND WE HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT OPERATIONAL FOOTPRINT AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAN SOME OF THE OTHER OPERATORS. SOME OF THEM USE PADS. SOME OF THEM USE TEMPORARY TOWERS, AS NOTED BY SCOTT, WE PLAN TO BUILD DOCKING STATIONS THAT WILL BE ELEVATED INTO THE BUILDINGS THAT WE ARE SERVING. BECAUSE OF THESE CHANGES AND BECAUSE, UNFORTUNATELY, WE WERE LATE TO THE GAME AND WERE NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK WHEN PLANNING AND ZONING WAS GOING THROUGH THE DRAFTING NEGOTIATIONS, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU SEND THIS BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING SO THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN AND OTHER OPERATORS WHO MIGHT NOT BE HERE TODAY BUT WANT TO SERVE PLANO IN THE FUTURE ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN SO THAT THIS DOES NOT BECOME A MONTHLY AGENDA ITEM FOR THIS COUNCIL AND SO THAT WE CAN GET IT RIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INCLUDING ALL THE FEEDBACK FROM ALL OF THE OPERATORS IN AN OPERATOR-AGNOSTIC WAY THAT CAN SERVE PLANO. THANK YOU. >> City Clerk: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS DELBERT AND CRYSTAL CANTU. >> HELLO. I'M DELBERT CANTU. MY WIFE AND SON TRAVIS ARE AT HOME, AND MY DAUGHTER IS HERE WITH ME, CRYSTAL. IN DECEMBER MY SON TROY CANTU PASSED AWAY, AND HE WAS MY SPECIAL NEEDS SON. HE LOVED THE DRONE. HE WAS THE ONE THAT INTRODUCED US TO IT. AT WALMART, HE WOULD SEE THE BANNER AND BE POINTING AT THAT DRONE BECAUSE WE HAD DRONES A PREVIOUS CHRISTMAS. BE MAKING THE DRONE SIGN AND SOUND. SO WE DECIDED TO GIVE IT A TRY THIS PAST SUMMER, AND WE LOVED IT. WHILE I'M WORKING AT HOME, THE KIDS WOULD ORDER WHATEVER THEY WANTED FOR LUNCH, AND THEN IT WOULD GET DELIVERED, LIKE THEY WOULD LOOK AT TIKTOK AND GET RECIPES AND ORDER THINGS TO MAKE SMOOTHIES OR WHAT THEY WANTED FOR LUNCH SO I DIDN'T HAVE TO GO. SO I JUST CONTINUED WORKING. SO THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. AND THEN ON A PERSONAL -- JUST RECENTLY, MY CAR BROKE DOWN. IT'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. I WAS AT HOME WANTING A DIET COKE. SO INSTEAD OF WALKING A FEW BLOCKS, I DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND USE THE DRONE DELIVERY SERVICE, SO THAT WORKED OUT REALLY GOOD. SO GIVEN ALL THAT, MY EXPERIENCE IS I SEE A LOT OF BENEFIT IN THIS FOR PEOPLE WHO LACK TRANSPORTATION OR HAVE SOME -- ARE NOT ABLE TO DRIVE. DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? >> YES, YES, WE ARE SO BLESSED TO BE WITHIN THIS DRONE DELIVERY RANGE. MY BROTHER TROY LOVED IT. THERE WERE MANY BENEFITS TO DRONE DELIVERY, AND FOR EXAMPLE, PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES LIKE MY BROTHER, ELDERLY CITIZENS, PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE CARS, MAYBE YOU HAVE A PARTY, SOME LAST-MINUTE, YOU KNOW, NEED SOME LAST-MINUTE ITEMS. BUT YEAH, WE SEE LOTS OF BENEFITS IN THIS. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE SO BLESSED TO BE WITHIN THIS RANGE, AND WE WOULD REALLY LIKE FORCE THIS TO EXPAND SO THAT OTHER PEOPLE CAN SEE THIS IMPACT, NOT JUST OUR FAMILY. AND LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE, I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, STAY UP TO DATE WITH TECHNOLOGY, AND ESPECIALLY TECHNOLOGY LIKE THIS BECAUSE I SEE THIS AS A STEPPING STONE TO BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS. OF COURSE, I CAN'T PREDICT THE FUTURE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT DRONE DELIVERY IS HERE TO STAY AND HERE FOR THE BETTER. SO WE'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YES, THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> City Clerk: JUSTIN SHORE. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY. KENDALL PROSAC FROM WING SENDS HER REGRETS SHE'S NOT HERE. I'M JUSTIN SHORE, CHIEF OF STAFF TO WINGS POLICY FLIGHT OPERATIONS AND TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT TEAM. WE HAVE BEEN HERE MANY TIMES. AT THIS POINT, WING IS DELIVERING WITHIN THE DFW AREA. WE ARE INCREDIBLY EXCITED TO BE IN FRISCO, TO BE IN LEWISVILLE AND CAN'T WAIT TO COME TO PLANO. I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF. JORDAN HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE AT ANSWERING TONS OF QUESTIONS AND ROLLING THROUGH ALL OF THESE EDITS. WE ARE NOT THERE YET THOUGH. WE'RE CLOSE, BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET. AND ALONG WITH MY COLLEAGUE KELLEN, PRESERVING THAT FLEXIBILITY AS WE MOVE FORWARD, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THOSE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, IS SO HUGE WITH A TECHNOLOGY THAT IS STILL EVOLVING AND STILL INNOVATING. AND GOING TO GET BETTER AS WE MOVE FORWARD. LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE YOU JUST HEARD, IT'S A STEPPING STONE TO SOMETHING BETTER, TO SOMETHING MORE. WE FEEL THAT WE CAN GET THIS RIGHT. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A COUPLE MORE EDITS TO PRESERVE THAT FLEXIBILITY AND PRESERVE IT FOR THE REST OF THE INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGIES AND COMPANIES THAT WANT TO COME IN FOR PLANO. THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING THAT WE DO REMAND THIS BACK TO PLANNING AND COMMISSION, BUT HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU ALL. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> City Clerk: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS GRANT GIO. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF REGULATORY AFFAIRS AT DRONE UP. WE ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING IN PLANO AND ARE ENJOYING IT. WE THINK YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE ENJOYING IT. WE'VE REALLY ENJOYED INTERACTING WITH THE PEOPLE. IT'S A GREAT COMMUNITY AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE. AT DRONE-UP WE PUT OUR FULL SUPPORT BEHIND WORKING WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO TRY TO PROMULGATE THE ORDINANCE TO FOSTER TECHNOLOGICAL INNOVATION WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING THE DIGNITY AND BEAUTIFUL AESTHETICS OF THE CITY OF PLANO. THE INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE IS COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE. AS SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES IN THE INDUSTRY HAVE STATED, THIS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES CONSTANTLY. YOU HAVE THREE DRONE DELIVERY COMPANIES, EACH WITH A DIFFERENT SETUP. FOR EXAMPLE, DRONE UP, THE COMPANY I'M WITH, THE ONLY THING WE HAVE THAT STAYS IN THAT PARKING LOT EVERY DAY WHEN WE LEAVE OUR WALMART HUB IS A GENERATOR. IT'S NOT OPEN STORAGE. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS IMPACTS OUR SPECIFIC SITUATION HAS BEEN A LITTLE TRICKY. NEVERTHELESS, WE'RE VERY COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT THE CONSTITUENTS OF PLANO CAN LIVE WITH WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ENJOYING THE BENEFITS OF DRONE DELIVERY. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF ANYBODY HAS ANY. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> City Clerk: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ADRIAN DOCO. >> GOOD EVENING. I'M HERE TODAY TO EXPRESS MY FULL SUPPORT FOR THE INTEGRATION OF DRONE DELIVERY SERVICES WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO. DRONE DELIVERY OFFERS NUMEROUS ADVANTAGES THAT CAN SIGNIFICANTLY ENHANCE THE EFFICIENCIES AND ACCESSIBILITY OF GOODS AND SERVICES WITHIN PLANO. I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT SOME KEY REASONS WHY I BELIEVE ANY RESTRICTIVE PLANNING AND ZONING ORDINANCES WOULD HINDER THESE POTENTIAL BENEFITS. THE EFFICIENCY AND SPEED, FOR EXAMPLE, THE DRONE DELIVERIES CAN SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE TIME IT TAKES TO TRANSPORT GOODS FROM ONE POINT TO ANOTHER. THE INCREASED SPEED IS NOT ONLY CONVENIENT FOR RESIDENTS BUT CRUCIAL FOR MEDICAL CAREGIVERS AS MYSELF IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS WHERE TIMELY DELIVERY CAN MAKE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. REDUCE TRAFFIC CONGESTION, THIS IS GOING TO BE A BIGGER PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE. BY TAKING DELIVERIES TO THE SKIES, WE CAN ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON THE ROADS WITH THE INCREASING POPULATION AND URBANIZATION IN PLANO. ANOTHER POINT IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY. DRONES ARE INHERENTLY MORE ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLY THAN TRADITIONAL VEHICLES. THESE ELECTRIC-POWERED DRONES CONTRIBUTE TO A CLEANER AND GREENER PLANO. EMBRACING THIS TECHNOLOGY ALIGNS WITH OUR COMMUNITY'S COMMITMENTS TO SUSTAINABILITY AND HEALTHIER ENVIRONMENT. ACCESSIBILITY FOR ALL IS A KEY FACTOR. DRONE DELIVERY CAN ENHANCE ACCESSIBILITY FOR RESIDENTS, PARTICULARLY THOSE WITH MOBILITY CHALLENGES OR LIVING IN REMOTE AREAS, AND IT ENSURES THAT EVERYONE IN PLANO HAS EQUAL ACCESS TO GOODS AND SERVICES, FOSTERING INCLUSIVITY AND A SENSE OF COMMUNITY. THE INNOVATION AND ECONOMIC GROWTH IMPACT IS EXPONENTIAL BY POSITIONING PLANO AS A FORWARD-THINKING CITY THAT EMBRACES CUTTING-EDGE TECHNOLOGIES. WE ATTRACT BUSINESSES AND ENTREPRENEURS. SO I'M HERE TODAY TO EXPRESS MY FULL SUPPORT FOR THE INTEGRATION OF DRONE DELIVERY SERVICES WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO AND IN OUR RAPIDLY EVOLVING WORLD, EMBRACING AN INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGIES LIKE DRONE DELIVERY IS NOT JUST A CONVENIENCE BUT A NECESSITY FOR THE GROWTH AND PROSPERITY OF OUR COMMUNITIES. DRONE DELIVERY OFFERS NUMEROUS ADVANTAGES THAT CAN SIGNIFICANTLY ENHANCE THE EFFICIENCY AND ACCESSIBILITY OF GOODS AND SERVICES WITHIN PLANO. AND I THINK IT'S JUST A WIN/WIN FOR EVERYBODY. SO IN LIGHT OF THESE CONVERSATIONS, I IMPLORE YOU TO RECONSIDER ANYTHING THAT MIGHT HINDER DRONE SERVICES IN PLANO. LET US EMBRACE A FUTURE WHERE OUR CITIES ARE AT THE FOREFRONT OF TECHNOLOGICAL INNOVATION, FOSTERING A MORE EFFICIENT, SUSTAINABLE, AND INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY. SO WITH GRATITUDE, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR BEING SO GENEROUS WITH YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> City Clerk: THE LAST SPEAKER IS ERIC BREMER. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. AT THIS POINT, I THINK YOU'VE HEARD OVER INDUSTRY EXPERTS AND COLLEAGUES ALIKE. I CANNOT ADD ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BUT WANT TO BE REGISTERED IN THE EVENT THERE WERE QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE OPERATORS TODAY. THANKYOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF SENDING THIS BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING WITH THE INFORMATION THAT THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT PLATFORMS. I DO THINK IT'S -- IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO FIND OUT HOW THIS ORDINANCE WILL AFFECT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT SERVICE PROVIDERS AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR ORDINANCES ARE GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PROVIDERS THAT CAN COME CAN OPERATE UNDER SO I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF SENDING IT BACK. >> THANK YOU. I WOULD AGREE WITH THE MAYOR PRO TEM ON THIS. THERE IS MANY DRONE OPERATORS DRONES I SUSPECT, IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE, WE NEED TO GET THIS RIGHT. MY CONCERN HERE WITH SENDING IT BACK TO PLANNING, AND I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD, IS THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY THAT WE'RE SPENDING ON JUST GETTING THIS ELEMENT DONE, GETTING THIS DOWN. SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? IF WE TABLE THIS FOR FUTURE ITEM, ARE WE LOOKING AT -- DO WE HAVE A RESTRICTION ON WHEN WE TABLE THIS? IS IT A 60 DAY, 30 DAY? >> WELL, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TABLING IF YOU'RE GOING TO SEND IT BACK TO P&Z. YOU'LL JUST VOTE TO SEND IT BACK, AND IT'S WHEN STAFF CAN GET IT ON THE AGENDA. >> OKAY. >> I'M SORRY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR -- I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED. SO AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NO ORDINANCE REGARDING DRONE, AM I CORRECT ABOUT THAT. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> Tu: SO AT THIS POINT, WITH NO ORDINANCE AND NO RESTRICTIONS, IF SOMEONE WERE TO OPERATE DRONE SERVICES, THERE IS NO WAY TO I GUESS MONITOR OR TO RESTRICT SOMETHING THAT OUR RESIDENTS MAY OR MAY NOT LIKE, AM I CORRECT. >> GENERALLY, WHEN WE'RE WORKING THROUGH AN ORDINANCE LIKE THIS, WE DO NOT DO ENFORCEMENT ACTION, SO IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, IT -- WE DELAY THAT TYPE OF ENFORCEMENT ACTION, SO WE'D BE CONTINUING TO DELAY ENFORCEMENT ACTION IF THERE'S A PROBLEM. >> Tu: SO AT THIS POINT, DRONE SERVICES IS REALLY -- THERE IS NO MONITORING AT THIS TIME. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> Tu: AND IF WE DON'T PUT SOME SORT OF RESTRICTION OR SOME TYPE OF REGULATION IN PLACE, THEN IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WHATEVER SERVICES THAT IS CURRENTLY SOMEBODY IS OPERATING COULD THEN BE GRANDFATHERED IN AND SAY, WELL, THIS IS JUST A WAY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS UNTIL YOU GUYS CAME UP WITH THE ORDINANCE, IS THAT -- IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? >> AT SOME POINT THEY COULD -- AT SOME POINT THEY COULD MAKE THAT CLAIM. SO FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY WE -- RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SCREENING ISSUE, IF THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR PROPOSED ORDINANCE, THEN IF WE DON'T PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE, THERE MAY BE A POTENTIAL FOR -- FOR THESE ENTITIES TO COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN OPERATING LIKE THIS FOREVER, SO WE'RE EXEMPT FROM ANY ORDINANCE YOU PASS. AM I -- ARE YOU FOLLOWING ME CHRISTINA? >> Mayor Muns: LET'S NOT CREATE A SCENARIO -- >> AS LONG AS WE'RE WORKING ON THIS ORDINANCE -- >> Tu: WHAT I REALLY WANT IS FOR US TO ACTUALLY PASS THE ORDINANCE SO THAT WE COULD COME BACK AND REEVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS FITTING FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE OTHER ENTITIES WHO ARE PROPOSING TO COME HERE AND OPERATE DRONE. I WOULD FEEL VERY I'M ACTUALLY FEELING VERY NAKED WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF REGULATION IN PLACE AT THIS TIME, WITHOUT IT. >> Mayor Muns: HOLD ON. COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER? >> Holmer: THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO FROM THE RED LINE THAT WE RECEIVED THIS EVENING, IT LOOKS LIKE THE MAIN CONCERN IS ABOUT SCREENING, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY STILL WANT TO WORK THROUGH? I'M SEEING SUGGESTION, A RED LINE HERE SUGGESTING THAT SCREENING IS NOT REQUIRED FOR UP TO ONE SPECIAL VEHICLE FOR -- IS THAT WHAT THE DISCUSSIONS -- DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE DISCUSSIONS ARE ABOUT THAT THEY WANT TO CHANGE. >> I HAVE NOT SEEN A RED LINE -- >> MAYBE THIS QUESTION IS FOR THE -- [ MULTIPLE VOICES ] >> I GUESS I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT, MAYBE THIS IS HELPFUL, I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT THAT WHAT I THINK I UNDERSTAND HERE IS THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO NOT ENFORCE ANY KIND OF SCREENING ORDINANCES FOR TWO YEARS, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO PUT IT OUT THERE THAT I -- THAT CONCERNS ME. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SCREENING ORDINANCES. I DON'T THINK THAT IS FAIR TO OTHER BUSINESSES TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY FOR TWO YEARS, SO I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT, MAKE SURE THAT'S KNOWN THAT THAT IS A CONCERN FOR ME. >> I WANTED TO ADD, I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF WAS ON THAT PARTICULAR E-MAIL THAT HAD THE RED LINE TO IT, SO I WAS SEEING A BUNCH OF QUESTION MARKS POPUP OVERHEAD. >> Mayor Muns: MS. BLOSSOM, IF YOU WOULD COME DOWN HERE, BECAUSE YOU WERE SHAKING YOUR HEAD, I THINK THAT IS OUR WHOLE PROBLEM, IS ALL OF YOU -- WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR FEEDBACK, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS -- AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE ABOUT PLANNING, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE -- WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A SCREENING POLICY, AND WE DON'T WANT TO SET A PRECEDENT BY NOT HAVING THAT FOR ALL OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF OPEN STORAGE REGULATION. SO I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS IS BECAUSE WE OPEN PANDORA'S BOX BY SAYING OPEN STORAGE IS WIDE OPEN TO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO HAVE IT, AND THAT'S A CONCERN TO US, SO WHEN YOU SHOOK YOUR HEAD, IN DISAGREEMENT. WHAT IS IT -- WHAT IS IT WE NEED TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? >> SO I THINK IT BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING POINT, I THINK -- AND NOT SPEAKING FOR OTHER OPERATORS. >> Mayor Muns: I UNDERSTAND. >> EACH OF US HAVE A DIFFERENT -- DIFFERENT CONFLICT WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE. FOR EXAMPLE, ZIP LINE IS NOT AS CONCERNED WITH OPEN STORAGE, BUT FOR US, IT'S THE WEIGHT DISTINCTION. IT'S TIED TO AN FAA REGULATION THAT IS SOON TO BE REWRITTEN IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR, SO IT'S GOING TO BE TIED TO AN OUTDATED MODEL, SO ANYONE OVER 55 POUNDS WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS AS OPPOSED O ANYONE 54 POUNDS AND UNDER, BUT WE KNOW WE HAVE A DIFFERENT BIGGER CONCERN THAN THE OTHER COMPANIES AS WELL, SO THERE ISN'T -- I THINK EVERYBODY HAS DIFFERENT PIECES WHICH IS WHY WE WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING SO WE CAN ALL HASH IT OUT TOGETHER, ONCE AND FOR ALL, INSTEAD OF EACH PERSON INDIVIDUALLY ASKING FOR THE PIECES THAT ARE MOST PROBLEMATIC FOR THEIR SPECIFIC INFRASTRUCTURE OR OPERATIONAL -- >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH? >> Smith : THANK YOU, MAYOR. WHAT I SUGGEST, AND I AGREE WITH DEBBIE, MAYOR, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, CHRISTINA, HOW MUCH TIME HAS STAFF PUT IN, AT LEAST SIX MONTHS AND PROBABLY CLOSER TO A YEAR LOOKING AT THIS, RIGHT? >> RIGHT. YOU CAN LOOK -- WE HAVE E-MAILS FROM 2022, SO -- >> JUNE OF 2022 IS WHEN WE STARTED THIS PROJECT. >> Smith : WELL OVER A YEAR OKAY. AND CHRISTINA, MY MEMORY IS NOT AS GOOD AS SOME OF OUR YOUNGER FOLKS SOMETIMES, BUT I DO RECALL THAT WE DO CHANGE AND WE HAVE CHANGED MODIFIED ORDINANCES FROM TIME TO TIME, IS THAT -- >> YES. >> Smith : THAT'S CORRECT? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> Smith : SO I THINK, WHAT I LIKE ABOUT DEBBIE MARES CONCERN IS WE'VE BEEN TALKING A THIS FOR A LONG TIME, THESE FOLKS WANT TO OPERATE, I THINK WE WANT TO THEM TO OPERATE, BUT WE WANT TO OPERATE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'VE ASKED OTHER BUSINESSES TO ADHERE TO. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE START TONIGHT WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU BROUGHT FORWARD, AND GET THAT ON THE BOOKS, SO WE HAVE SOMETHING, A STRUCTURE TO WORK WITH, AND LET'S SEE HOW IT GOES. IF -- IF IT'S SOMETHING OF CONCERN THAT IS HINDERING AN OPERATION, MAKE THE CASE, TAKE IT TO PLANNING AND ZONING, BRING IT BACK TO US, IF IT'S A GOOD IDEA, WE CAN APPROVE IT. BUT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, A MAJORITY VOTE ON PLANNING AND ZONING THAT IS APPROVED, YOU GUYS HAVE GOT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT IN IT. WE'VE HEARD SOME GOOD THINGS, WE'VE BEEN PUTTING THIS OFF SINCE OCTOBER, SO I THINK TONIGHT IS THE TIME TO ACT. LET'S GET SOMETHING GOING, IF WE NEED TO MODIFY IT, WE'LL DO SOMETHING LATER. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. >> Williams: THANK YOU, MAYOR, MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS AND TONIGHT, I'M STRUGGLING TO SEE THE NEED FOR THIS. UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING AGAIN, LOOKS LIKE WE'RE FOCUSING ON THREE THINGS, NOISE, STAGING AREA, AND SCREENING, WE ALREADY HAVE OPEN STAGE AND SCREENING REQUIREMENTS. IT LOOKS LIKE APART FROM THAT WE'RE EXPANDING DEFINITIONS BEYOND HELICOPTER. I DON'T SEE WHAT WE GET. I KNOW WE LOOKED AT A SLIDE EARLIER THAT SAID WHAT -- WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DO PASS THIS, BUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DON'T, IF WE JUST FALL BACK ON OUR EXISTING NOISE ORDINANCES, OPEN STORAGE REQUIREMENTS, ET CETERA. >> RIGHT NOW THE -- WHAT THIS ALLOWS IS REALLY WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, I WOULD SAY, IT ALLOWS MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR THIS LAND USE. CURRENTLY, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ACCOMMODATE THIS SPECIFIC TYPE OF USE WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. IF WE CLASSIFY THEM UNDER THE HELICOPTER REGULATIONS, IT'S VERY ONEROUS, AND THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE IN THE RETAIL ENVIRONMENT. THE CURRENT ORDINANCE ALLOWS THINGS, WAIVERS FROM PARKING, WAIVERS FOR EXEMPTIONS FOR THE LANDING PAD TO BE OPERATED WITHOUT BEING CONSIDERED OPEN STORAGE. IT ALLOWS THEM TO BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. IT ALLOWS THEM TO BE THE -- THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE WHERE THERE'S A LIMIT TO 5% OF THE LAW OR 20% OF THE BUILDING SIZE. IT GIVES THEM A LOT OF WAIVERS THAT ARE EXISTING IN THE ORDINANCE IF WE CONSIDERED THEM UNDER OUR EXISTING REGULATIONS. SO IT REALLY IS GIVING THEM FLEXIBILITY WHERE IF WE JUST PUT THEM UNDER THE EXISTING REGULATIONS, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY. >> Ricciardelli: LONG NIGHT. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER RICCIARDELLI. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU MAYOR. SO -- SO I'VE GOT SEVERAL THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS, I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH THEM QUICKLY. THE FIRST IS I AGREE WITH WHAT DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TU IS SAYING, YOU KNOW, REALLY ABOUT THE VESTED ZONING RIGHTS CONCERN. YOU KNOW, WE -- WE HAVE TO GET A HANDLE ON THIS AND WE CAN ALWAYS BECOME LESS REINDUSTRYIVE COUNCILMEMBER SMITH POINTED THIS OUT, BUT WE CAN'T BECOME MORE RESTRICTIVE ONCE SOMEBODY HAS A VESTED ZONING RIGHT. THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, AS I SAW THIS TECHNOLOGY MEETING WITH A COUPLE OF THE OPERATORS, IT IS VARIED, IT IS EVOLVING, IT IS CHANGING ALL THE TIME, AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO BE OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE AND STIFLE INNOVATION, BECAUSE WE COULD END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE WE ARE UNINTENTIONALLY CRAFTING AN ORDINANCE THAT MANDATES USING THE VERSION 1.0 DRONE, AND THE VERSION 2.0 COMES OUT AND IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH OUR ORDINANCE AND SO OTHER CITIES ARE HAVING NEWER, SAFER, QUIETER ZONES WHEN OUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T ALLOW THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE HEAVIER, OR THEY HAVE SOME OTHER FEATURE THAT DIDN'T COMPLY WITH OUR ORDINANCE. I ALSO AGREE WITH THE POINTS THAT THE MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER AND MAYBE OTHERS RAISED ABOUT THE EQUITY OF OPEN SPACE STORAGE, OPEN STORAGE ENFORCEMENT. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S THE BIG ISSUE IS THAT CURRENTLY THESE OPERATIONS PROBABLY DO AT LEAST SOME OF THE ONES I SAW RUN AFOUL OF OUR OPEN STORAGE ORDINANCES AND WE CAN'T TURN A BLIND EYE TO THAT WITHOUT SERIOUS EQUITY ISSUES WITH OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMPLYING WITH THOSE, SO I DO THINK WE NEED AN ORDINANCE. WE ALSO NEED TO BE FAIR TO ALL OPERATORS. I THINK THE WORD THAT MS. BLOSSOM USED WAS OPERATOR AGNOSTIC, I AGREE WITH THAT, BECAUSE DIFFERENT DRONES HAVE DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS. I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE AN ORDINANCE THAT FAVORS, YOU KNOW, ONE TYPE OF DRONE OVER ANOTHER TYPE OF DRONE UNLESS THERE'S NOISE OR SAFETY OR SOME OTHER REASON TO SAY YOUR TYPE OF DRONE DOESN'T WORK FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE ALSO NEED TO PROTECT RESIDENTS RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY IS A BIG DEAL. I LIKE THE IDEA THAT THESE HAVE TO BE LOCATED IN CERTAIN AREAS, YOU KNOW, AROUND THE BUSINESSES THAT THEY'RE SERVING, AND YOU KNOW, TRYING TO KEEP THEM AWAY FROM NEIGHBORHOODS. I THINK THAT IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT GOES WITH PROTECTING NEIGHBORHOODS FROM NOISE, AND I THINK IS IMPORTANT. I AGREE WITH MAYOR PRO TEM PRINCE AND OTHERS, SEVERAL OTHERS, WHO HAVE SAID LET'S REMAND THIS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, SO THAT'S HOW I INTEND TO VOTE TONIGHT. I THINK MORE WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE, SOME ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, WEIGHT, MS. BT DRONE, 68 TO 50 POUNDS 55 POUNDS FOR THE SMALL HUB, THEY'RE JUST OVER THAT, SO IS THAT 55-POUND LIMIT CRITICAL? I COULD BE CONFUSING THIS WITH SOMETHING ELSE, THAT CAME FROM AN FAA REGULATION IN THE PROCESS OF CHANGING, I'M SEEING HEAD NODS SO I MAY HAVE REMEMBERED THAT RIGHT FROM SOME OF THE MEETINGS, DO WE NEED THAT WEIGHT LIMITATION OR SHOULD WE FOCUS ON OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS, HOW MUCH NOISE DOES IT GENERATE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THE FENCING, OPEN STORAGE ISSUE WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT. THE RED LINE WE GOT AFTER 5:00 TODAY, THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD HAVE POSSIBLY THOROUGHLY LOOKED AT THAT, AS PART OF THIS REMAND WE WILL. AND TOWARD THAT END, YOU KNOW, TO THE MAYOR'S POINT ABOUT GETTING SOME CLARITY ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE SEEKING, I THINK THAT EVERY TIME WE'VE CONSIDERED THIS ORDINANCE THERE HAVE BEEN NEW POINTS MADE, NEW KIND OF OBJECTIONS, AND SO AS PART OF THE REMAND TO P&Z, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US ESTABLISH A SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE DEADLINE, YOU KNOW, TO BE FAIR, WE NEED COMMENTS SUBMITTED BY A CERTAIN DATE, JUST LIKE THEY DO FOR THE CFR IN FEDERAL REGULATIONS, WHETHER THAT IS MARCH 15th OR A DIFFERENT DATE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT SOMETHING IN THE REASONABLY NEAR FUTURE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A CUTOFF WHERE WE SAY WE CARE WHAT INDUSTRY THINKS ABOUT THIS, BUT IF WE DON'T HEAR FROM YOU WITH THAT OBJECTION BY A CERTAIN DATE IT'S NOT A PART OF THIS PROCESS, BECAUSE WE CAN'T BE DOING THIS ADD ADNAUSEUM. I'LL PROPOSE MARCH 15th. I HOPE THAT P&Z WILL THOROUGHLY GO THROUGH ALL OF THE OPERATORS' YOU KNOW, SUGGESTIONS, AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE COUNCIL ON ALALL OF THEM. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL. HOPEFULLY WE'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS BEST IN CLASS ORDINANCE THAT OTHER CITIES CAN COPY. SO -- THANK YOU TO THE STAFF FOR YOUR TREMENDOUS WORK ON THIS OVER THE PAST, WHAT, 21 MONTHS OR SOMETHING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK. >> Mayor Muns: MAYOR PRO TEM. >> Prince: I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE SUGGESTION ABOUT THE SCREENING REQUIRED FOR UP TO ONE SPECIAL VEHICLE. FROM MY VISIT, WITH GOING OUT TO ONE OF THE OPERATORS, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT RECOMMENDATION WAS BECAUSE SOME OF THESE OPERATORS OR SOME OF THESE RETAIL LOCATIONS ARE TRYING OUT TO SEE IF THIS WORKS WELL FOR THEIR RETAIL AND SO ASKING THEM TO CREATE SOMETHING VERY PERMANENT MAY NOT WORK WELL FOR AN OPERATOR, AND SO I DO THINK THERE -- THIS MAY BE TOO MUCH FLEXIBILITY FOR US THAT WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE CONSIDER IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING, CONSIDER SOME AMOUNT OF FLEXIBILITY FOR A RETAIL TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY OUT DRONE DELIVERY FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME WITHOUT HAVING TO PUT IN A HUGE UP FRONT COST THAT THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BEAR IF IT DOESN'T WORK FOR THEIR LOCATION. MAY I, MR. MAYOR? >> Mayor Muns: YEAH. >> Tu: SO I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE CONSIDER SOME TYPE OF -- I MEAN, ADOPTING THIS ORDINANCE WITH SOME TYPE OF LIMITATION, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, TRIAL PERIOD, IN WHICH WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP SENDING IT BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT ISSUES, BUT RATHER PERHAPS FOR A TEMPORARY -- SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING PROTECTION IN PLACE. I MEAN SOME SORT OF REVISION IN PLACE. PERHAPS FOR, I DON'T KNOW, SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR, EXPERIMENTAL, AND THEN COME BACK AND RE -- REEVALUATE WHETHER CERTAIN AREAS IS WORKING OR NOT WORKING, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST KEEP KICKING IT BACK -- 21 MONTHS FOR GOD'S SAKE. I THINK WE ULTIMATELY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, AND IF WE NEED TO REVISE AT A LATER DATE, LET'S DO THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S PUT THIS IN PLACE -- >> EITHER WAY WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK. WE'RE EITHER TAKING IT BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING TO LOOK AT IT OR VOTING TONIGHT, OR HAVING IT COME BACK TO US WHEN IT DOESN'T WORK WELL. >> Tu: I THINK WE NEED TO ADD SOMETHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE NEED TO REEVALUATE OR REVISIT IN A CERTAIN TIME, THAT, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE NOT JUST KICKING THE BUCKS BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING, BUT RATHER WE'RE GOING TO BE REVIEWING WHATEVER FEEDBACK WE GET. A LOT OF THE ENTITIES WHO ARE CURRENTLY THINKING ABOUT DOING DRONE TYPE SERVICES HAVE NOT STARTED YET, SO WE'RE JUST -- WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THEORETICAL THINKING FOR THEM, BUT THE PROGRESS ON TECHNOLOGY CONTINUES TO EVOLVE, AND WE CAN'T JUST KEEP ACCOMMODATING FOR EVERY NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT COMES THROUGH. WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE AND THEN COME BACK AND REEVALUATE. THAT'S HOW I FEEL. WE CAN ADD SOMETHING TO THE ORDINANCE IN WHICH IT MAKES IT SO THAT WE MUST COME BACK AND REEVALUATE WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME. >> I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REMAND THIS BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING. >> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE CURRENT ORDINANCE DOES ACCOMMODATE BOTH TEMPORARY AND PERMANENT WAIVERS OF SCREENING, SO I THINK MAYBE THAT'S NOT CLEAR, BUT UNDER ITEM D, IT TALKS ABOUT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BEING ABLE TO WAIVE REQUIREMENTS FOR SCREENING WITH APPROVAL OF A SITE PLAN. LANDING PADS ARE PERMANENTLY EXEMPTED FROM SCREENING, BUT P&Z CAN WAIVE ANY OTHER SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, SO IT MEANS THAT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO COME AND REQUEST ANY KIND OF TEMPORARY WAIVER OR PERMANENT WAIVER, P&Z CAN GRANT THAT, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR. >> IF I CAN JUST REAL QUICK, ONE OF THE MAIN HICCUPS WE HAVE HERE IS OUR OPEN STORAGE AND WE HAVE -- WE HAVE EITHER HAVE MASONRY WALLS OR WE HAVE LIVING WALLS LANDSCAPE. AND THESE ARE ALL SO TEMPORARY NOW, THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO FEEL THEIR WAY AROUND. I THINK WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN REIMAGINE THAT, WE -- ONE PLACE WE VISIT, WE SAY JUST PUT SOME TYPE OF FABRIC AROUND IT, AND COUNCILWOMAN HOLMER SAID, LET'S BRING THE ARTS COMMUNITY IN, AND LET THEM DECORATE THAT CANVAS. AND IT DOES THE SCREENING THAT WE LOOK FOR, THOUGH IT'S NOT MASONRY, IT'S SEMI, IT'S NOT EVEN PERMANENT, BUT IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENT, AND I THINK RIGHT NOW IS -- THE BIG CONCERN IS THEY'RE GOING TO INVEST IN A MASONRY WALL, WITH SCREENING THAT MAY BE ABANDONED IN SIX MONTHS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IS THE BIG ISSUE THAT WE'RE FACING RIGHT NOW. SO I THINK THE TEMPORARY WAIVER IS PROBABLY THE ANSWER. RIGHT, AS IT IS PRESENTED NOW. >> I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN HORNE. I THINK SEPARATELY IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT HOW WE DEFINE AND WHAT KIND OF A SCREENING WE PERMIT, IF ALL WE'RE LOOKING AT IS MASONRY OR LIVING SCREENS, I THINK WE SHOULD DIVERSIFY. >> Ricciardelli: OKAY, I'LL SECOND THE MOTION TO REMAND TO P&Z. >> Mayor Muns: SECOND TO REMAND. THIS ITEM TO P AND Z -- >> CAN I ASK CHRISTINA, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD? I MEAN -- LIKE -- WELL, DOES -- IS IT CREATING MORE WORK FOR YOU IF WE PASS AN AMEND OR IS IT BETTER TO SEND IT BACK AND GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME I GUESS IS THE CORRECT QUESTION. >> I THINK IF WE CAN GET -- IF THERE ARE -- I THINK IF THERE ARE CLEAR THINGS THAT WE NEED TO AMEND, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THE MARKUP, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT -- I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT THE OPEN STORAGE ISSUE THAT I PERSONALLY THINK IS ALREADY ADDRESSED IN THE ORDINANCE -- >> Holmer: SOUNDS LIKE IT -- >> THAT'S SATISFIED. SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE OTHER ISSUES ARE -- >> Holmer: OKAY, I THINK -- I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. >> I GUESS IT'S HARD FOR ME TO ASSESS WHEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER ISSUES ARE. I THINK MY MAJOR CONCERN IS WE'VE ALREADY HAD A LOT OF TIME AND MY QUESTION IS WHY -- WHY HAVE WE NOT HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS EARLIER, SO IN THAT REGARD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ORDINANCE PASSED, AND THEN PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, A CHECK IN, IN A PERIOD OF TIME, OR LET'S REASSESS WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE REWRITE, IF -- BECAUSE TO ME THIS TECHNOLOGY IS CONSTANTLY EVOLVING, SO IF WE'RE WAITING FOR EVERY FAA UPDATE, THEN I THINK WE NEVER PASS AN ORDINANCE. BECAUSE THE TECHNOLOGY WILL ALWAYS BE CHANGING, AND I DON'T KNOW I THERE WILL EVER BE A GOOD TIME TO PASS, THAT'S MY REAL CONCERN. >> Holmer: I APPRECIATE THAT INPUT, AND WITH THAT INFORMATION, I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF REMANDING IT BACK TO PLANNING AND ZONING -- >> Ricciardelli: MAY I ASK THE MAYOR PRO TEM, WOULD YOU ADD TO YOUR MOTION A DEADLINE FOR COMMENT TO COME IN AS PART OF THAT REMAND TO P&Z, AND THEN BECAUSE WHAT I'MEN ENVISIONS, THE REASON I SECONDED THIS, IS THAT I THINK THERE ARE -- I THINK THE DIALOGUE IS STILL ON GOING, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT THIS ELABORATE RED LINE AT 5:18 THIS EVENING THAT WE CAN'T POSSIBLY CONSIDER TONIGHT, BECAUSE WE GOT IT AT 5:18 THIS EVENING, AND I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO TAKE ALL OF THIS INTO ACCOUNT, BUT I THINK WE NEED A DROP DEAD DEADLINE, FEEDBACK ISN'T GOING TO BE IN BY THIS DATE, WEIGH IN ON EVERYTHING THE OPERATORS ARE PROPOSING, THE P&Z IS GOING TO WEIGH IN ON EVERYTHING, HOPEFULLY IN MAY, IF WE HAVE A COMMENT DEADLINE IN MARCH -- >> Prince: I'M FINE WITH DOING THAT, AS LONG AS I HAVE INPUT FROM THE STAFF, I DON'T WANT TO THROW OUT AN ARBITRARY MARCH 15 BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY DEADLINE TO MEET. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEY THINK WOULD BE A REASONABLE TIME -- >> Ricciardelli: TO BE CLEAR, THAT IS A DEADLINE FOR THE OPERATORS. >> Prince: THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO GET THE FEEDBACK AND DO SOMETHING WITH IT. >> Ricciardelli: NO, THAT'S FOR SURE. >> Mayor Muns: HUH? SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO REMAND IT BACK TO P&Z RIGHT NOW, SO THAT'S THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. YEAH. >> Smith : MAKE AN AMENDMENT IF NECESSARY, IF WE TAKE THIS VOTE, AND THIS DOESN'T PASS, I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE THE END OF THIS, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO RECONSIER. >> Mayor Muns: THAT'S FINE. >> Smith : JUST SAYING. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO REMAND THIS BACK TO P&Z. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION FAILS 3-5. >> Prince: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PASS THIS -- >> Mayor Muns: I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, THEN WE NEED -- WE NEED A IT TO BE REVISITED AGAIN WITHIN SIX TO 12 MONTHS, PROBABLY 12, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEIR SUCCESS OR FAILURE IN THIS, SO I WOULD REQUIRE THIS TO COME BACK TO US IN 12 MONTHS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE AWARE OF THE ISSUES, GOOD OR BAD. >> I'M SORRY, 12 MONTHS. >> Mayor Muns: I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE HARD FOR THEM TO REALLY ASSESS IN SIX MONTHS. >> OKAY, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PASS THIS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WILL REVISIT IN 12 MONTHS. >> Mayor Muns: IS THAT -- YOU GOT THAT, CHRISTINA? >> Smith : I'LL SECOND THAT. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. GO AHEAD AND RESET THAT, LISA. OKAY. HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-3. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM? >> ITEM NUMBER 4, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2023-019 TO AMEND ARTICLE III, SITE PLAN REVIEW, ARTICLE V, VARIANCES AND APPEALS OF ADMINISTRATIVE DECISIONS, ARTICLE VII, NONCONFORMITIES, ARTICLE IX, RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, ARTICLE X, NONRESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, ARTICLE XIV, ALLOWED USES AND USE CLASSIFICATIONS, ARTICLE XV, USE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS, ARTICLE 20, SCREENING, FENCE, AND WALL REGULATIONS, OF THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2015-5-2 AS HERETO AMENDED PERTAINING TO RECENT STATE LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW INCLUDING AMENDMENTS RELATED TO SENATE BILL 929 AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, REPEALER CLAUSE, SAVINGS CLAUSE, SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. AND I'M CHRISTINA SEBASTIAN, LAND RECORDS PLANNING MANAGER, OUR LAST TWO ITEMS FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TONIGHT ARE CONSIDER UPDATES TO OUR ORDINANCES BASED ON CHANGES IN STATE REQUIREMENT, OUR FIRST CASE IS FOR THE ZONING ORDINANCE. HOUSE BILL 1750 AND 2308 BOTH PROVIDE PROTECTIONS TO AGRICULTURAL USES TO ACCOMMODATE, WE ARE PROPOSING TO ALLOW VETERINARY SERVICES, K KENNELS AND COMMERCIAL PET SITTING, ASSOCIATED WITH AGRICULTURAL USES FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THE NEXT ONE YOU'VE HEARD QUITE A BIT ABOUT, THIS REQUIRES SPECIFIC PROCEDURES FOR NOTICING WHEN A USE BECOMES NONCONFORMING. PREVIOUSLY APPROVED THE NOTICING REQUIREMENTS OVER THE SUMMER, SO THE CHANGES TONIGHT OUTLINE THE PROCEDURES WHEN A USE IS REQUIRED TO STOP. THAT DECISION ON WHEN A NONCONFORMING USE MAY BE REQUIRED TO STOP IS UP TO YOU, AS A COUNCIL, SPECIFIC PROCEDURES IN THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS FOR THAT, BUT IN THE END, YOU MUST ADOPT A RESOLUTION TO STOP THE NONCONFORMING USE IN ORDER FOR THE PROCESS TO THEN START PER THE BILL. SO YOU ADOPT A RESOLUTION IN THE YELLOW CIRCLE, THEN WITHIN TEN DAYS, THE CITY MUST NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OWNER OR LESSEE, THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO PICK THEIR REMEDY, EITHER AS A CONTINUING USE OR AS PAYMENT, CONTINUING USE IN ORANGE, PAYMENT IN GREEN. IF THEY DON'T RESPOND WITHIN 30 DAY, THE CITY CAN PICK THE REMEDY, IN BOTH INSTANCES, A -- AN OUTSIDE EXPERT NEEDS TO BE HIRED TO DETERMINE EITHER THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE USE CAN CONTINUE TO RECOUP THEIR LOSS OR THE PAYMENT FOR THE BUSINESS TO STOP OPERATING RIGHT AWAY. SO THEN THE TIME WILL EITHER PASS OR TEN DAYS WILL PASS, IF THERE'S PAYMENT, AND THEN THE USE IS REQUIRED TO STOP. THE -- ANY APPEALS TO THE TIME AMOUNT OR THE PAYMENT AMOUNT GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE WAS ALSO ADOPTED THIS YEAR RELATED TO SCHOOL SAFETY REQUIREMENTS, SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE HAS A LIMITATION ON FRONT YARD FENCING FOR SCHOOLS, FOR FIVE FEET, SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO ALIGN THAT WITH THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE TO 8 FEET FOR SCHOOLS AND DAY CARES. AND THEN FINALLY, THE LEGISLATIVE ZONING CASE FROM LAST SUMMER, INCLUDED SOME MINOR UPDATES TO COMPLY WITH THE MATERIAL STANDARD FOR HOUSE BILL 2439 FROM THE 2019 SESSION, AND ALSO TO PER ALIGN WITH HOW MOST CITIES ARE APPLYING THAT BILL. MOST AMENDMENTS ARE MADE LAST SUMMER, BUT THERE ARE A FEW CLEANUP AMENDMENTS THAT WERE NEEDED WITH THIS ZONING CASE. THIS CASE WAS FOUND TO BE IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL AS HAND USE ACTION ONE. THERE WERE NO RESPONSES RECEIVED FOR THIS ZONING CASE. AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WITH A VOTE OF 7-0. AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANKS, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, ANY SPEAKERS. >> THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> MOTION TO REMAND THIS TO THE STATE LEGISLATURE. [ LAUGHTER ] >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: WE NEED A REAL MOTION. >> Williams: MOTION TO APPROACH. I WITHDRAW THAT MOTION MAKE A NEW MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 4, PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8-0. ITEM NUMBER 5? >> ITEM NUMBER 5, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE AMENDMENT 2023-003 TO AMEND THE INTRODUCTION AND PROCEDURAL OVERVIEW, ARTICLE I, GENERAL PROVISIONS, ARTICLE II, DEFINITIONS, ARTICLE III, PLATTING PROCEDURES, ARTICLE IV, ASSURANCE FOR COMPLETION AND MAINTENANCE OF IMPROVEMENTS, ARTICLE V, REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, RESERVATION AND DESIGN, ARTICLE VII REPLATING PROCEDURES OF THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2017-11-4, AS HERETO AMENDED, RELATED TO HOUSE BILL 369, INCLUDING EXTENSION OF CERTAIN PLAT APPROVAL AUTHORITY TO STAFF AS PERMITTED UNDER THE BILL. AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, SAVINGS CLAUSE, SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> GOOD EVENING, AGAIN, SO OUR SECOND CASE INVOLVES AMENDMENTS TO THE SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE RELATED TO HOUSE BILL 3699, SOME AMENDMENTS ARE REQUIRED UNDER THE BILL, BUT THE BILL ALSO ALLOWED FOR DELEGATION OF CERTAIN PLATS TO BE APPROVED BY STAFF AND SO THE MAJORITY OF THE AMENDMENTS RELATE TO THAT CHANGE. THIS TOPIC WAS DISCUSSED AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION THREE TIMES INCLUDING THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE SHOWN HERE, THE SECOND COLUMN IS A SAMPLE -- EXAMPLE OF HOW MANY PLATS OF THE VARIOUS TYPES WE HAD IN THE YEAR FROM SEPTEMBER 2022 TO AUGUST 2023. THEN WE HAVE THE CURRENT PROCEDURES AND THE PROPOSED PROCEDURES. SO THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE TO HAVE CONVEYANCE PLATS, PRELIMINARY PLATS AND FINAL PLATS BE APPROVED BY STAFF, AND THEN ALSO PRELIMINARY REPLATES AND REPLATES OF PROPERTY THAT IS NOT ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND TWO FAMILY ZONING. THOSE PLATS THAT -- I'M SORRY, THOSE REPLATES THAT ARE ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND TWO FAMILY ZONING ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE NOTICING DONE AND SO THEREFORE WE ARE CONTINUING THEM AS IS AT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AT THE COMMISSION. VACATIONS ARE ALSO PROPOSED TO STAY WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AS WELL AS ANY PLAT REQUIRING A VARIANCE. THIS CHANGES EXPECTED TO BRING THE NUMBER OF PLATS APPROVED BY P&Z DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY, PRESENTING A NUMBER OF BENEFITS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MOMENT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT PER THE STATE PLATS ARE REQUIRED TO RECEIVE WHAT WE CALL ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION, SO DECISIONS TO DENY THEM ARE ONLY PERMITTED WHEN THE PLAT DOESN'T MEET STAT OR SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS. AT THAT PLAT MUST BE APPROVED BY P&Z UNLESS THEY FIND A TECHNICAL ERROR ON THE PLAT. THE BENEFITS OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS CAN THEREFORE MOVE A LITTLE BIT MORE QUICKLY BE MORE STREAMLINED. PLATS CAN BE APPROVED SOONER RATHER THAN HAVING TO WAIT TO GONE TO THE AGENDA FOR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. SO THIS IS KIND OF THE END OF A TIMELINE THAT'S IN YOUR PAB KET, BUT ON DAY 17 OF THE STANDARDS OF THE MIDDLE CYCLE, A PLAT MAY BE READY FOR APPROVAL, BUT THE PLAT HAS TO WAIT TO BE PREPARED FOR P&Z FOR THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING. AGAIN, THERE MIGHT BE COMMENTS AND IT MIGHT BE RESUBMITTED THERE ON DAY 23, BUT AGAIN IT STILL HAS TO CONTINUE TO WAIT, SO ONLY A WEEK TO TWO WEEKS, BUT IT ADDS UP IN DEVELOPMENT TIME FRAME. SO THIS WOULD ALSO MEAN SHORTER P&Z AGENDAS AND INCREASED EFFICIENCY FOR STAFF. TRANSPARENCY IN THE PROCESS CAN CONTINUE TO BE MAINTAINED THROUGH A NUMBER OF AVENUES, SO THE FIRST IS ZONING AND RECENT DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY MAP, THAT'S ZONING MAP, ON THIS MAP THERE ARE PLOTS AS WELL AS SITE PLANS AND ZONING CASES WITH CONTACT INFORMATION, AND INFORMATION ABOUT THE CASE, AND CASES STAY ON THIS MAP FOR A YEAR AFTER -- AFTER ACTION IS TAKEN ON THE PROJECT, SO THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION ON THAT MAP. WE ALSO HAVE OUR NEW SUBMITTAL AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW LISTS, THEY'RE AVAILABLE ON THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S WEBSITE, THOSE ARE ALSO SENT -- ARE -- WILL BE SENT TO THE COMMISSIONERS WITH EACH SUBMITTAL CYCLE. SORRY. THE LIST ALSO INCLUDES STAFF CONTACT INFORMATION, VERY SIMILAR TO THE MAP, THE INTERACTIVE MAP. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, NOTABLY THAT PLATS CAN BE APPROVED BY STAFF, BUT THEN IF THERE'S AN APPEAL, THAT CAN GO TO THE COMMISSION AND IF THERE'S AN APPEAL ACTION AT THE COMMISSION, THAT CAN GO TO COUNCIL AS OF TODAY, PER THE BILL 3699, PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS ARE NO LONGER REQUIRED BEFORE SUBMITTING PLATS, THEY ARE REQUIREDTOR ZONING CASES AND MOST SITE PLANS, THERE ARE SOME MINOR CLERICAL AND WORDING CORRECTIONS, NO CHANGES ARE PROPOSED FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND TWO FAMILY ZONED RESIDENTIAL REPLATES. ANY PLATS REQUIRING VARIANCES OR PLAT VACATIONS. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS CASE WITH THE VOTE OF 6-1, AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANKS, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Smith : SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8-0. NEXT ITEM? >> >> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. THE COUNCIL MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION. THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. AND WE DO HAVE SPEAKERS THIS EVENING. THE FIRST ONE IS ALEX STEIN. >> >> HELLO? YES. >> HELLO. >> HELLO? >> HELLO, CAN I HELP YOU? >> YES. OKAY, YOU MIGHT THINK THAT'S STUPID, WE JUST CALLED TWO CHINESE RESTAURANTS, BUT I'M ABOUT TO MAKE YOU A PART OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PHONE CALL YOU HAVE EVER BEEN A PART OF. BOTH OF THOSE CHINESE RESTAURANTS DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE ABOUT TO SPEAK TO, THE ONE, THE ONLY, 45th PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, PRESIDENT DON'T TRUMP, ARE YOU THERE, PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> WELL, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, HAPPY YOU'RE TALKING TO THE CITY COUNCIL, I HEAR THEM TREMENDOUS PEOPLE, AND I HEAR WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING THE SHOES, THESE ARE TREMENDOUS SHOES, WE WANT TO SEE THE CHILDREN, WE WANT TO SEE THEM WEAR THE CHILDREN, AND DO A TREMENDOUS JOB, IN THE SHOES, ISN'T THAT RIGHT, ISN'T THAT CORRECT. >> YES, PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU MAKING THE SHOES MANDATORY FOR ALL SCHOOL UNIFORMS IN THE PLANO SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD BE GREAT. THE MAYOR HERE IS ONE OF THESE WOKE MAYORS, HE LOVES ALL THE TRANSGENDER STUFF, HE ACTUALLY WANTS TO PUT MANDATORY GENDER REASSIGNMENT INTO THE SCHOOLS, STATE SPONSORED. >> WELL, I THINK THAT IS TERRIBLE, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY PERSON THAT I TALK TO WHO GOES FROM MAN TO WOMAN, HIS NAME IS LINDSEY GRAHAM, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, HE SITS WHEN HE PEES, YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS, I THINK IT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA WHAT YOU'RE DOING, I THINK WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY LOOK AT THIS MAYOR, I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT HIM, MAYBE WE HAVE TO REPLACE HIM, MAYBE WE HAVE TO GET RID OF HIM, LIKE CHRIS CHRISTIE GETS RID OF A PLATE OF DOUGHNUTS, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH NIKKI HAYLEY AND HER RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, WHAT IS GOING ON? THESE PLANO PEOPLE, I THINK SOME OF THESE BOARD MEMBERS SUPPORT HERE INJURY IF THEY SUPPORT HER, THAT'S INTERESTING, SHE LOST TO NOBODY, NOTA, NONE OF THE ABOVE. I CALL IT THE ESCAPADE IN THE ESCALADE, AND SHE OUGHT TO BE ASHAMED OF HERSELF. I THINK IF YOU'RE SUPPORTING NIKKI HAYLEY, YOU HAVE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS TO THINK ABOUT, YOU'RE PROBABLY CRAZIER THAN THE PEOPLE WHO SENT WHITE POWDER TO DON JUNIOR. THEY SENT IT TO HIM. I THINK HE THINKS HE'S A PEN PAL, THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, THEY TRIED TO KILL MY BIOLOGICAL STEPFATHER IN RUSSIA. >> I GOT ALONG VERY WELL WITH RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, GOT ALONG WITH PUTIN, THEY TRIED TO DO TERRIBLE THINGS TO TUCKER, HE'S YOUR BUY LONG CALL STEPFATHER, YOU LOOK JUST LIKE HIM. WE WANT TO HELP HIM, MAKE SURE HE SURVIVES. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, THEY'RE KICKING US OUT, THESE PEOPLE AREN'T WORTH THEIR TIME, FREE SHOES TO THE PLANO IS D.SCHOOL MEMBERS, MANDATORY IN THEIR SCHOOL UNIFORM. >> THANK YOU, GOD BLESS YOU. GOD BLESS. >> SHAWN STRIKLAND. HEY, WHAT'S UP, PUSSIES? SO -- LOAD ON A SECOND, OH, SHIT, DAM, I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SAY THAT, ARE FROM ANY REAL MEN IN HERE. >> Mayor Muns: NO MORE CUSSING. >> MY BAD. ARE THERE ANY REAL MEN IN HERE, WE'VE GOT SOME LEOs, MILITARY FIREFIGHTERS, BLUE COLLAR WORKERS, YOU PEOPLE ARE MY PEOPLE, UNLIKE THESE CITY COUNCIL CUCKS, I LIKE THAT GUY, LOOKS LIKE A NICE GUY, LOOKS LIKE A MATURE REASONABLE GUY, WE'VE GOT THE MAYOR OVER THERE, HONESTLY, LOOKS MORALLY SHADY, LIKE A WEASELY BETA MALE, IF I WENT ON VACATION, I'M NOT SAYING THAT MY WIFE WOULD HAVE INTERCOURSE WITH HIM, BUT I THINK HE WOULD TRY TO HAVE INTERCOURSE WITH MY WIFE IF I WAS GONE, LIKE EVEN IF I WAS THERE AT THE HOUSE WITH HIM, I WENT TO THE BATHROOM OR SOMETHING, I WOULD HAVE TO SET UP SOME SORT OF SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS OR SOMETHING, SO THE GUY DOESN'T TRY TO HAVE INTERCOURSE, I'M SURE YOU'RE A NICE GUY, MAYOR, BUT YOU LOOK LIKE A STRAIGHT UP CUCK. SPEAKS OF CUCSs, GUYS, I WANT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF TODAY, KIDS ARE BEING INFLUENCED BY THE STUPID THEY SEE ON SOCIAL MEDIA TODAY, IT'S CATERING TO CHILDREN, AND IT'S GLORIFYING BOYS AND EVEN MEN TO BECOME A BUNCH OF MALE PUSSIES, IT HARD TO EXPLAIN THESE PEOPLE AND TELL YOU LITERALLY IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE, THEY HAVE THIS WEIRD GOD COMPLEX, LIKE WHEN I'M AROUND THEM, I WANT TO HURT THEM ALL, FOR EXAMPLE, I RAN INTO THIS WEIRDO, HE LOOKED LIKE SOME GOTHIC SOUTH PARK CHARACTER, LIKE YOU WOULD SEE ON TV, I HAVE TO REMIND HIM, YOU'RE JUST A HUMAN, DUDE, JUST SHUT THE HELL UP, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS GUY, MACHINE GUN KELLY, VAMPIRES LIKE HIM, JAKE PAUL, BRYCE HALL, AND THIS CUCK WHO LETS GUYS RUN TRAINS ON HIS GIRL, THIS HAS TO STOP, THESE GUYS LITERALLY SPEND THEIR WHOLE CAREER BEHIND A CAMERA, NO WORK EXPERIENCE, THEY WEASEL THEIR WAY UP, THEY DON'T DO, AND THEY'RE NOT REAL MEN LIKE MYSELF, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO THEY FIGHT FOR, VIEWS, LIKE COMMENTS PATHETIC JUST A BUNCH OF PUSSIES MAKING UP FOR THEIR INSECURITIES, THEY'RE A BUNCH OF CUCKS. DON'T THINK I FORGOT ABOUT YOU LADIES, HERE IS THE THING ABOUT WOMEN, YOU GUYS, THEY'RE NOTHING BUT WHORES, I'VE GOT A FRIEND NAMED NINA, ALL SHE DID WAS WALK AROUND WITH HER AT THIS TIMEYS HANGING OUT. I PUT HER IN HER PLACE. >> Mayor Muns: TIME. >> THAT WASN'T EVEN THREE MINUTES, COME ON, MAN. >> Mayor Muns: WE ARE ADJOURNED.