I LOVE WHAT I LOVE . I THINK WE ARE A VERY GREAT CITY COUNCILOR AND I'M CHAIR OF THE BOSTON CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE ON PLANNING DEVELOPMENT TRANSPORTATION AND TODAY'S OCTOBER 22ND AND THE EXACT TIME IS 11:32 A.M. IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER TWO OF THE ACTS OF 2025 MODIFYING CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS OF OPEN MEETING LAW AND RECEIVING AND RELIEVING PUBLIC BODIES OF CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING THE REQUIREMENT THAT PUBLIC BODIES CONDUCT ITS MEETINGS IN A PUBLIC PLACE THAT IS OPEN AND PHYSICALLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE CONDUCTING THIS HEARING VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM. THIS HEARING IS BEING RECORDED AND IS ALSO BEING LIVESTREAMED AT BOSTON DARK BACKSLASH CITY. DASH COUNCILOR DASH TV AND BROADCASTS ON CHANNEL EIGHT RCN CHANNEL 82 FILES CHANNEL 964 WRITTEN COMMENTS WILL BE SENT TO THE COMMITTEE EMAIL AT $0.06 AND B AT BOSTON.COM AND WILL BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD AND AVAILABLE TO ALL COUNCILORS. PUBLIC TESTIMONY WILL BE TAKEN AT THE END OF THE HEARING. INDIVIDUALS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY'VE SIGNED UP AND WILL HAVE 2 MINUTES TO TESTIFY. IF YOU WISH TO SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND HAVE NOT DONE SO PLEASE EMAIL OUR CENTRAL STAFF LIAISON SHANE PACK SHANE AS AJ AND DOT BOSTON.COM FOR THE ZOOM LINK AND YOUR NAME WILL BE ADDED TO THE LIST. TODAY'S HEARING IS ON DOCKET 1353. MESSAGE IN ORDER FOR THE CONFIRMATION OF THE REAPPOINTMENT OF GORDON STONEBRIDGE AS A MEMBER OF THE ZBA FOR A TERM EXPIRING MAY ONE, 2028 AND DOCKET 1354 MESSAGE IN ORDER FOR THE CONFIRMATION OF THE APPOINTMENT OF ROB STEINBERG AS A MEMBER OF THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL CONSERVATION DISTRICT COMMISSION FOR A TERM EXPIRING JUNE 28, 2026. THESE MATTERS ARE SPONSORED BY MAYOR MICHELLE WU AND REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON JULY NINE, 2025 AND DOCKET 1412 MESSAGE IN ORDER FOR THE CONFIRMATION OF THE APPOINTMENT OF SELINA BERRIOS MILLNER AS A MEMBER OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL FOR A TERM EXPIRING MAY ONE, 2028. THESE THIS MATTER WAS SPONSORED BY MARISOL WU AND WAS REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON AUGUST SIX, 2025. TODAY I AM JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUES IN ORDER ARRIVAL I'M IN RIGHT NOW JUST SEEING COUNCILOR QUINN. THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCILOR FLYNN FOR BEING HERE. SO THE THREE NOMINATIONS BEFORE US TODAY ARE OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE LOOKING TO FILL BY LOOKING TO BE FILLED BY DEDICATED CONSTITUENTS THAT WILL SHAPE AND STEWARD THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY AND ITS BUILT ENVIRONMENT. NORM STONEBRIDGE AND SELINA BERRIOS MILLNER ARE NOMINATED TO SERVE AS MEMBERS OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL AND ROB STEINBERG IS NOMINATED TO SERVE AS A MEMBER OF THE SAME BIT OF ARCHITECTURAL CONSERVATION DISTRICT COMMISSION. BOTH OF THESE BODIES PLAY A CRITICAL ROLE IN HOW BOSTON GROWS, PRESERVES ITS HISTORY AND MAKES ROOM FOR ITS FUTURE. IT'S NOT AN UNDERSTATEMENT TO SAY THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL IS ONE OF THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL APPOINTED BODIES IN BOSTON. BY EVERY MEASURE BOSTON'S ZONING CODE IS SIGNIFICANTLY LONGER AND MORE COMPLEX THAN OTHER CITIES OF SIMILAR SIZE. IT IS MORE COMPLEX, CONSTRUCTIVE AND EQUITABLE AND LEADS TO INCONSISTENCIES. WHILE MANY OF US IN THE CITY ARE WORKING TOWARD THOUGHTFUL ZONING CODE REFORM GIVEN THE ABOVE CONTEXT DESILVA PLAYS AN EXTREMELY CRUCIAL ROLE IN ENSURING ZONING LAWS ARE APPLIED THOUGHTFULLY BALANCING THE NEEDS OF OUR CITY AND WHAT MAKES BOSTON UNIQUE. THE TABLETOP OF ARCHITECTURAL DISTRICT COMMISSION SAFEGUARDS ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE OF ONE OF THE MOST HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. AS A CITY COUNCILOR I'M PROUD TO REPRESENT FOUR OF THE 11 HISTORIC AND ARCHITECTURAL DISTRICTS. BUT THIS ONE IS REPRESENTED BY COUNCILOR FLYNN AND I'M REALLY GRATEFUL FOR HIS LEADERSHIP ON PRESERVATION. THESE ARE AREN'T JUST BUREAUCRATIC ENTITIES. THEY'RE STEWARDS OF THE PUBLIC REALM TRUSTED ON HOW TO WEIGH PROPOSALS THAT SHAPE OUR CITY'S CITYSCAPE. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO LEARNING MORE FROM THESE THREE NOMINEES SHORTLY AND HOW THEY WILL BE ASSETS TO THE CITY FOR THESE ROLES. I WANT TO GIVE A CHANCE FOR MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILOR FLYNN TO GIVE AN OPENING STATEMENT. I FEEL LIKE TO PROVIDE ONE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I WILL BE VERY BRIEF. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO CELINA TO. TO ROBERT IN TO NORM FOR THE IMPORTANT WORK THAT YOU ALREADY PROVIDE THE RESIDENTS OF BOSTON PROVIDING EXCEPTIONAL LEADERSHIP AND LOOKING FORWARD TO SUPPORTING AND VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS. AND I'M ALSO PROUD TO REPRESENT A SMALL SECTION OF THE BACK BAY AS WELL IN THE SAME BATTLE AREA HAVE TREMENDOUS RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE BACK BAY BUT WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ROBERT TO NORM AND TO SELENA FOR THE EXCELLENT WORK YOU HAVE ALREADY PROVIDED THE RESIDENTS OF BOSTON. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR FLYNN. I DO WANT TO READ A LETTER INTO THE RECORD AN ABSENCE LETTER FOR MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILOR KEVIN TO YOUR CHAIR DURKAN, MR. CLERK AND COUNCIL COLLEAGUES I REGRET TO INFORM YOU THAT I'M UNABLE TO ATTEND TODAY'S COMMITTEE ON PLANNING, DEVELOPMENT AND TRANSPORTATION ON DOCKETS 13531354 AND 1412 ON VARIOUS APPOINTMENTS. I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS UPON REVIEWING THE RECORDINGS AND MY STAFF WILL TAKE NOTES. DON'T HESITATE TO CONTACT MY STAFF WITH ANY QUESTIONS. SINCERELY COUNCILOR ENRIQUE PEPEN. OKAY SO WITH THAT THE WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO ABOUT THIS IS WE'RE GOING TO GIVE EACH OF THE NOMINEES FOR THESE FOR ZBA AND THEN ALSO FOR THE ST PATEL ARCHITECTURAL DISTRICT CONSERVATION COMMISSION. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU EACH 2 MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT YOUR INTEREST. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE UP THE WHOLE 2 MINUTES BUT JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF. YOU KNOW ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S RELEVANT WHERE YOU LIVE ANY ANYTHING YOU THINK IS RELEVANT AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. SO WE'RE GOING TO START WITH NORM STONEBRIDGE SO NORM YOU WILL GIVE HAVE UP TO 2 MINUTES AND THEN WE WILL WRITE AND THEN WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS. RON STEINBERG WE'LL GO NEXT AND THEN CELINA BERRIOS MILLNER WILL GO THIRD. SO NORM, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. GOOD MORNING FOLKS. MY NAME IS NORMAN STONEBRIDGE AND YES I DO GO BY NORM THANK COUNCILOR DURKIN THANK YOU COUNCILOR FLYNN FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE THIS MORNING. I'D LIKE TO ALSO THANK MAYOR WILL CO-SPONSORING MY REAPPOINTMENT TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEAL. THANK YOU FOR INVITING WEITZ TODAY TO SPEAK FOR MY RE APPOINTMENT. I LOOK AT MY POSSIBLE REAPPOINTMENT AS A WAY TO CONTINUE MY SERVICE TO THE CITY OF BOSTON AS A NEIGHBORHOOD MAYOR OR IT WOULD IT WOULD CONTINUE TO BE AN EXTENSION OF THE VOLUNTEER WORK THAT I'VE DONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ROXBURY THAT WORK BEING TO RECLAIM SOME STILL ABANDONED PARCELS OF LAND. BUT THE MISGUIDED EFFORTS OF URBAN RENEWAL AND FAILED HIGHWAY DISPLACEMENT ACTUALLY THE DISPLACEMENT WAS SUCCESSFUL BUT NOTHING ELSE. I'M FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO SEE IF I AM FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO CONTINUE SERVING THE CITY, I'LL STAY AWAY FROM ANY POSSIBLE CONFLICTS REAL OR PERCEIVED. BUT THE WORK THAT I'M ASKED TO DO I HAVE SKILL I HAVE AND WILL CONTINUE TO LISTEN TO THE INSPECTIONAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT, THE CITY OF BOSTON PLANNING DEPARTMENT RESIDENTS AND IRAQIS AND HOPE TO REACH THE BEST DECISION THAT I AND THE BOARD CAN MAKE. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE TODAY AND SPEAK WITH YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, NORM. I WANT TO GIVE MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUE A CHANCE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT HE HAS ABOUT YOUR NOMINATION AND THEN I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. MADAM CHAIR, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO NORM FOR HIS LEADERSHIP. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCILOR QUINN. SO NORMAN JUST WANTED TO ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT I'M PLANNING TO ASK. I HAVE ASKED AND I'M PLANNING TO ASK OF ALL ZBA APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENT HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE YOUR PHILOSOPHY ON ZONING AND LAND USE IN BOSTON, PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF THE CITY'S AFFORDABILITY AND CLIMATE'S CLIMATE RESILIENCE GOALS AS FAIRLY TENUOUS CONFLICT? TURKEY'S WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A HOUSING CRISIS WITHIN THE CITY OF BOSTON, STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS AND ACROSS THIS COUNTRY IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT ZONING WHICH NEEDS TO BE REDONE AS EFFORTS HAVE STARTED WITH THINGS LIKE BOMB PLANS, BOSTON PLAN MATTAPAN AND OTHERS TO ADDRESS CERTAIN THINGS AND TO POINT TO BRING THE TRANSLATED THAT THE ZONING INTO AT LEAST INTO THE EARLY 21ST CENTURY THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AGAIN MY WHAT I SEE AND WHAT MY MYSELF AND FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS TRY TO DEAL WITH IS HOW DOES THIS STILL FIT IN TERMS OF MOVING THE CITY FORWARD HOUSING WISE AND OTHERWISE? THANK YOU. HOW SHOULD THE ZBA WEIGH DECISIONS ON PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED BPD APPROVAL? DO YOU BELIEVE THE ZIVA MEMBERS SHOULD EVER VOTE ON A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN VETTED AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT LIKE SHOULD EVER VOTE NO ON A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN VETTED AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND BOARD? IF SO, UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD COULD THEY BE VOTED NO? YES DEPENDING ON WHAT WE HEAR IN TERMS OF WHAT'S GOING ON INTRA LIKE THIS FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BUT FOR COMMUNITY INPUT TAKEN BY THE OFFICE OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES ,LISTENING TO RESIDENTS LISTENING TO ADVOCATES LIKE COUNCILOR FLYNN AND AND FOLKS IF YOU'RE SO THAT JUST COMING IN AND RUBBER STAMPING A NO BUT IF IT'S APPARENTLY BEEN VETTED CORRECTLY BY A NUMBER OF PARTIES THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT ANSWER. I HAVE SEEN A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES IN MY TIME ON THE CITY COUNCIL OF THINGS THAT HAD GOTTEN PPA APPROVAL BOARD APPROVAL BUT THEN YOU DIDN'T GET THE APPROVAL AND I THINK IN MOST CASES I BELIEVE THAT THE EPA BOARD DOES A GOOD JOB OF ESSENTIALLY ROUNDING UP ALL THE CITY DEPARTMENTS AND GETTING LIKE GETTING ALL OF THAT FEEDBACK BEFORE IT EVEN GOES TO BOARD. SO I GUESS MY ADVOCACY MOSTLY IS THAT THAT SHOULD BE A RARE OCCURRENCE AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING PARTICULAR QUESTION HOW WOULD YOU APPROACH ZONING VARIANCES DECISIONS IN HIGH OPPORTUNITY NEIGHBORHOODS VERSUS THOSE THAT HAVE A TYPICALLY EXPERIENCED DISINVESTMENT? VERY CAREFUL IN TERMS OF LOOKING AGAIN LOOKING AT ALL THE FACTORS INVOLVED PROBABLY LOOKING TO GIVE DEFERENCE TO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT NEED MORE INVESTMENT ,BETTER INVESTMENT ALONG THOSE LINES NOT TO DOWNPLAY OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY WHICH ARE MOVES ALONG SWIMMINGLY. BUT I'M GOING TO LOOK AT I'M I'M GOING TO BE OPEN MINDED BUT I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT STILL NEED HELP, YOU KNOW, IN A HIGHER LOT. SO SPEAK THANK YOU SO MUCH NORM FOR STEPPING FORWARD, CONTINUING TO STEP FORWARD. I KNOW THAT THIS WORK IS IT TAKES A LOT OF PASSION AND A LOT OF CARING ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOUR COMMUNITY. SO IN OUR IN OUR CITY. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP TO SERVE AND ALSO FOR STEPPING UP AGAIN. I KNOW THAT CIVIC LEADERS LIKE YOU AND FOLKS WHO SERVE ON THESE PARTICULAR BODIES PLAY A REALLY IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE CITY. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I DO WANT TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILOR AARON MURPHY. COUNCILOR WE ARE ON NORMAN STONE BRIDGES REAPPOINTMENT TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. JUST WANTED TO SEE IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS. NO, THANK YOU. I'VE BEEN LISTENING IN. THANK YOU NORM FOR THE WORK YOU'VE DONE AND JUST HERE TO SUPPORT IT AND THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED YOU GAVE GREAT ANSWERS WHICH I KNEW YOU WOULD SO THANK YOU. NOTHING I THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCILOR MURPHY. OKAY, NORM, DO YOU HAVE ANY LAST WORDS? I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH QUESTIONS UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO SAY. GO. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR FOR INVITING ME TODAY AND I DO APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. AWESOME. SO I PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR NOMINATION OR OF REAPPOINTMENT AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH NORM. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. DEREK THANK YOU SO ROB STEINBERG, WE ARE GOING TO GO TO YOU NEXT. SO A LITTLE BIT OF A SHIFT YOU'RE BEING APPOINTED TO THE ST PATEL. I KNOW IT'S A LONG NAME SO FOR CONSERVATION DISTRICT COMMISSION AN ARCHITECTURAL CONSERVATION DISTRICT COMMISSION SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE UP TO 2 MINUTES TO JUST OPEN UP WITH WHY YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THIS POSITION. WELL THANKS VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE. I APPRECIATE IT. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO SERVE THE CITY OF BOSTON. I'M GOING INTO MY FOURTH YEAR HERE AT ST LUKE'S HALL AND SO I AM FAIRLY NEW TO THE CITY BUT I APPRECIATE THE VIBRANCY, THE BEAUTY OF OUR CITY AND I HAVE BEEN A LIFELONG STUDENT OF AMERICAN HISTORY AND ARCHITECTURE AND I HOPE TO PUT THAT TO USE IN THIS POSITION. I AM A CIVIL ENGINEER. I SPENT A DOZEN YEARS AS A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT MANAGER SO I DO UNDERSTAND A BIT ABOUT THE BUILDING TRADES AND HOW BUILDINGS FIT TOGETHER AND HOW THEY IMPACT THE LIVABILITY OF THE CITY AND THAT IS MY INTEREST IS HISTORIC PRESERVATION, YES, BUT ALSO IN THE CONTEXT OF A LIVING, BREATHING AND WONDERFUL CITY TO LIVE IN. AND THAT'S HOW I HOPE TO TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WANT TO GIVE COUNCILOR FLYNN SINCE THIS IS HIS DISTRICT A CHANCE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT HE HAS FIRST. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. AGAIN, JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ROBERT FOR THE IMPORTANT WORK AND LEADERSHIP HE'S PROVIDING THE RESIDENTS OF BOSTON HONORED TO REPRESENT A SMALL PORTION OF THE BACK BAY AND I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR THE SAINT CENOTAPH TOUGH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AS WELL. I'M THINKING ABOUT YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCILOR FLYNN. SO ROB, JUST WANTED TO ASK WHAT ARE YOUR FAVORITE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THIS SHAPE? A TALL YOU KNOW, NEIGHBORHOOD AND JUST CURIOUS WHAT ARE YOUR FAVORITE PARTS ABOUT LIVING IN THE SAME PETITE AREA? HAVING SPENT MOST OF MY LIFE ACTUALLY IN THE SUBURBS OF BOSTON BUT ALSO IN OTHER STATES IS SORT OF FORMS OF BACKGROUND FOR ME. I ENJOY BOSTON'S HISTORY AND WHEN YOU WALK AROUND MY NEIGHBORHOOD YOU SEE THESE WONDERFUL THREE STOREY BUILDINGS THAT HAVE THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE MASONS THAT BUILT THEM ALL INTO IT. YOU SEE SOME STAINED GLASS YOU SEE HEADER COURSES, YOU SEE CORBELS ALL THE DIFFERENT ARTISANAL TOUCHES THAT A MASON CAN ADD TO A BUILDING. AND IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN MANY OTHERS OBVIOUSLY IN THE CITY OF BOSTON THERE'S A LOT OF PRIDE THAT PEOPLE TAKE IN THESE BUILDINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN THE SOUTHWEST CORRIDOR AND THE HISTORY OF THE SOUTHWEST QUARTER AND THE PEOPLE THAT ROSE UP TO SAY THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE DON'T WANT A HIGHWAY TO GO THROUGH IT AND INSTEAD WE HAVE THIS LOVELY, LOVELY PARK THAT'S ENJOYED BY SO MANY PEOPLE THAT GO THROUGH IT AND AS YOU WANDER THROUGH THIS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS SO VERY QUIET AND SO VERY LIVELY DEPENDING UPON THE TIME OF DAY YOU LOOK UP AND YOU SEE THE GLASS SKYSCRAPERS THAT SHOW YOU THE THE MIGHT AND POWER AND COMMERCE IN THE CITY OF BOSTON. AND THAT JUXTAPOSITION IS IS JUST BEAUTIFUL TO HAVE A LIVING BREATHING CITY WHERE SO MANY RESIDENTS ARE COMFORTABLE UNDERSTANDING THAT MANY AREN'T AND WE HAVE TO DO BETTER WITH THE ENGINES OF GROWTH IN THIS CITY AND THAT WE CAN HAVE BOTH AND AND DO BOTH AND DO BETTER AND CONTINUE TO BUILD OUR CITY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I DEFINITELY HUNTINGTIN IS THE LINE FOR ME SO SO I REPRESENT UP INTO THE PRU SO I THINK I KNOW COUNCILOR FLYNN AND I ARE WORKING ON A LOT OF THE ISSUES ALONG THAT LIKE SHARED TRANSIT CORRIDOR BUT IT REALLY IS INTERESTING AND I WHAT I AM I AM IN ST PATRICK'S AREA LOT AND IT'S JUST IT'S SUCH A GREAT GREAT AREA SO REALLY APPRECIATE I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU STEPPING FORWARD TO SERVE I THINK I AM PLANNING TO MOVE FORWARD YOUR NOMINATION AT THE NEXT MEETING AND SO THEN YOU'LL BE SEATED AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN DEAL WITH ANY ISSUES OR ANY IRREGULARITIES THAT NEED TO BE WITH IN THE SAME PROTECTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT YOUR WORK BACKGROUND JUST LIKE WHAT EXPERIENCE YOU'RE BRINGING TO THE TO THIS DISTRICT COMMISSION? SURE. I WAS EDUCATED AT MIT. I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER AND I HAVE A MASTER'S DEGREE IN CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS AN MBA FROM SLOAN AND I SPENT A DOZEN YEARS AS A PROJECT MANAGER DIRECTING ALL SORTS OF WORK EVERYTHING FROM A LIGHT MANUFACTURING FACILITY THAT WAS DESIGNED BY SHEPLEY BULL FINCH TO THE ARTS AND MEDIA FACILITY ON THE CAMPUS MIT DESIGNED BY I AM PEI AND PARTNERS TO THE ROSE WHARF COMPLEX. I WAS INVOLVED AS ASSISTANT PROJECT MANAGER ON THE ON THE 100 CONDOMINIUMS THAT ARE THERE AND LOTS OF SMALLER LITTLE PROJECTS SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANTS ETC. AND SO I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF MATERIALS AND DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AND LABOR UNIONS AND THE EFFORT THAT GOES INTO TO THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT AS WELL AS HOW IT IMPACTS THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AND WORK IN IT AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AND WORK BY IT AND IT'S IT'S A IT'S A FABULOUS INTERSECTION OF TECHNOLOGY AND MATERIAL TOOLS AND PEOPLE AND INVESTMENT AND THAT GOES TO THE HEART OF HOW PEOPLE LIVE AND WORK IN IN AN AREA AND ARCHITECTURE HAS A HUGE, HUGE IMPACT ON HOW PEOPLE FEEL AND I MEAN I LEARNED THAT AS A STUDENT I WAS VERY FORTUNATE TO BE IN A BUILDING DESIGNED BY ALVAR AALTO WHO IS JUST A FATHER OF MODERN ARCHITECTURE AND THE WAY THAT BUILDING IS DESIGN PROMOTED INTERACTION AMONGST THE STUDENTS IN A WAY THAT MOST BUILDINGS DON'T AND I WAS I LIVED THAT EVERY DAY AND I CARRIED THAT EXPERIENCE WITH ME AS I LOOK AROUND THE CITY AS TO HOW THINGS ARE BUILT, THE QUALITY OF HOW THEY'RE BUILT AND HOW THE DESIGN IMPACTS THE WAY THEY'RE USED AND THE PEOPLE THAT WALK BY THAT THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN IT, THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN IT IT'S AMAZING WHAT ARCHITECTURE CAN DO TO THE HUMAN PSYCHE. WOW. I MEAN IT FEELS LIKE EVERY THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS TO DO AS CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE IS IS OVERSEE LIKE THE APPOINTMENTS OF THESE VARIOUS COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES BUT IT'S REALLY INTERESTING. IT'S LIKE I FEEL LIKE EVERY SINGLE TIME WE DO ONE OF THESE HEARINGS WE LIKE THERE'S LIKE A BUNCH OF UNICORNS OF LIKE HOW DID THEY FIND THIS PERSON THAT'S DONE THIS AND THIS AND THIS AND THIS. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP TO SERVE AND BECAUSE IT REALLY IS SOMETIMES THANKLESS WORK BUT IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO ESPECIALLY YOU KNOW, REPRESENTING SO MANY ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT BUILDINGS AND LANDMARK AREAS LIKE I UNDERSTAND THAT WITHOUT ALL THIS WORK AND ALL OF THIS EXPERTISE ARE BUILT, ENVIRONMENT WOULD LOOK VERY DIFFERENT. SO BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP TO SERVE. I ALSO WANT TO GIVE MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILOR AARON MURPHY A CHANCE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. HELLO. SORRY, I'M GOING TO KEEP MY CAMERA OFF. I'M ALMOST PARKED. THANK YOU. I THINK COUNCILOR DURKIN JUST SAID OFTENTIMES WE CAN JUST SUSPEND AND PASS THESE APPOINTMENTS BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR DIRECTLY FROM YOU AND SEE WHAT IT WAS. YOU KNOW THAT THE MAYOR AND THE ADMINISTRATION SAW WHEN THEY FIRST APPOINTED YOU SO CLEARLY YOUR LOVE, YOUR PRIDE, YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO MAKING SURE THAT NOT JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU LIVE IN BUT THE WHOLE CITY, YOU KNOW, HAS YOUR LEADERSHIP AND GOING FORWARD ON PROJECTS. SO JUST THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP. THANK YOU AND JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO VOTING IN FAVOR OF YOUR APPOINTMENT WHEN IT COMES FORWARD TO US. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCILOR MURPHY. SO WITH ROB I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY LAST THINGS YOU'D LIKE TO SAY BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT NOMINEE. UM, I APPRECIATE THE KIND WORDS SPOKEN TODAY AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTRIBUTING TO THE CITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE YOU AROUND TOWN SOON AND LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING FORWARD WITH YOUR NOMINATION AT THE NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND SO NEXT IS LINA BERRIOS MILNER. CELINA, I KNOW YOU'VE COME BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE. I THINK IN THE PAST YEAR OR SO I'VE SEEN YOU BEFORE. REALLY GREAT TO SEE YOU ON ZOOM. THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP TO SERVE. JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU SORT OF THE SAME QUESTIONS AS I ASKED NORM BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ASKING THOSE OF ALL THE ZBA NOMINATIONS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH BUT I ALSO WANTED TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO OPEN UP WITH WHY YOU'RE INTERESTED IN THE POSITION. SO I'LL GIVE YOU UP TO 2 MINUTES. THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCILOR DURKAN AND THANK YOU COUNCILORS FLYNN AND MURPHY FOR BEING HERE AND THANK YOU THE SAME FOR FOR MAKING THIS MEETING POSSIBLE. I'M SELINA BARRIOS MILNER I'M A RESIDENT OF WEST ROXBURY AND I'VE LIVED IN BOSTON FOR THE PAST 23 YEARS AND HAVE LIVED IN AUSTIN VILLAGE BAYVILLE AND ROSLINDALE AND THOSE TIMES I'VE BEEN A RENTER I'VE BEEN A COUCH SURFER AND I'M NOW A HOMEOWNER IN WEST ROXBURY WHERE I'M RAISING MY FAMILY AND SO I HAVE A LOT OF LOVE FOR THE CITY OF BOSTON. I STARTED OUT MY CAREER HERE AS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER AND I THINK THAT'S SORT OF MY DNA NO MATTER WHERE I GO AND I'VE GOTTEN TO KNOCK ON PROBABLY MOST DOORS IN THE CITY OF BOSTON OR IN EVERY T LINE AND BUS LINE AND HAVE SEEN BOTH THE INCREDIBLE RESOURCES AND OPPORTUNITIES IN THE CITY AS WELL AS THE DISPARITIES AND UNEVEN ACCESS TO THOSE RESOURCES AND OPPORTUNITIES. SO THAT HAS LED ME TO WORK IN THE CITY AND THE IMMIGRANT ADVANCEMENT OFFICE. I WORKED IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AS DIRECTOR OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION AND HELP TO STAND UP OUR SUPPLY AND DIVERSITY PROGRAM. I ALSO OVERSAW OUR BJP LOCAL HIRING POLICIES AND RAN THE BOSTON EMPLOYMENT COMMISSION. SO I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES TO CREATE THESE SPACES FOR COMMUNITY ACCOUNTABILITY AND INPUT. AND NOW I'M AT THE URBAN INSTITUTE, A PUBLIC RESEARCH INSTITUTION THAT'S BASED IN D.C. WHERE I THINK I CAN BRING SOME INSIGHTS OF WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF ZONING AND HOW TO BE INCLUSIONARY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LEVERAGING OUR GREATEST RESOURCE AS A CITY AND CITY GOVERNMENT TO CREATE THE MOST OPPORTUNITY AND EQUITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY FOR ALL FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. SO REALLY AN HONOR TO BE HERE AND I THINK JUST TO PUT A FINER POINT ON IT AS SOMEONE WHO HAS A LIFELONG COMMITMENT TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, EQUITY AND ECONOMIC MOBILITY, I THINK THAT OUR LAND AND HOW WE USE IT IN OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT IS PROBABLY THE GREATEST LEVER AT LEAST AT THE CITY LEVEL THAT WE HAVE FOR CREATING OPPORTUNITY FOR SUPPORTING AGING IN PLACE, SUPPORTING ACCESSIBILITY FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. I REALLY TAKE THIS RESPONSIBILITY VERY SERIOUSLY AND KNOW HOW IMPORTANT EACH AND EVERY PARCEL AND HOME AND UNIT IS FOR THE PROSPERITY OF OUR CITY AS A WHOLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH AND I WANT TO GIVE MY COUNCIL COLLEAGUE COUNCILOR PLAN A CHANCE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS AND THEN I'M GOING TO ASK THE THREE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED YOU TOO. OUR OTHER ZBA MEMBER HAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO CELINA FOR THE IMPORTANT WORK AND LEADERSHIP SHE HAS PROVIDED THE RESIDENTS ALREADY HAVE HAD OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH HER FOR ALL THE YEARS AND HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR HER LOOKING FORWARD TO VOTING IN FAVOR OF HER AND IN THE OTHERS AS WELL. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO SIGN UP FOR BEING WITH US TODAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR FLYNN. AND I THINK SO I'M GOING TO ASK MY THREE QUESTIONS AND YOU DID DESCRIBE THIS A LITTLE BIT BUT THE QUESTION IS CAN YOU DESCRIBE YOUR PHILOSOPHY ON ZONING AND LAND USE IN BOSTON, PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF THE CITY'S AFFORDABILITY AND CLIMATE RESILIENCE GOALS? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND I ACTUALLY FAILED TO MENTION PROBABLY A PRETTY IMPORTANT QUALIFICATION OR EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE WHICH IS I'M CURRENTLY ON THE LANDMARKS COMMISSION AND ALSO SERVE ON A DISTRICT ARCHITECTURAL COMMISSION IN THE HIGHLAND PARK AREA. SO I'M REALLY EXCITED FOR YOU ROBERT AND YOU KNOW WHEN YOU GET TO THE LANDMARKS POINT YOU'RE SORT OF SEEING SOMETHING AT THE VERY END. YOU KNOW IT'S SORT OF GONE THROUGH BPA APPROVAL IF THERE'S ANY RELEVANT ZBA VARIANCES AND SO WE'RE KIND OF SEEING IT AT THE END AND I THINK A LOT OF THE THE INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT I'VE SEEN IS, YOU KNOW, TO PROTECT SORT OF WHAT THEY HAVE WHAT THEY'VE BUILT BUT ALSO TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO TO BE ABLE TO BUILD WEALTH AND BUILD THE THE HOME THAT THEY WANT FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILY. AND I THINK YOU KNOW, THAT'S A THAT'S A THAT'S A DIFFICULT BALANCE SOMETIMES TO BOTH SUPPORT A NEIGHBORHOOD EVOLVING WHILE ALSO PROTECTING YOU KNOW THE THE THE HISTORIC NATURE AND ALSO WHAT MAKES IT SPECIAL IN TERMS OF QUALITY OF LIFE. AND SO I THINK THOSE ARE REALLY ONE BY ONE DECISIONS AT LEAST AT THIS LEVEL. I KNOW THERE'S THERE'S A BIGGER HIGHER LEVEL OF ZONING THAT THAT THE BPA LEADS BUT SO MY MY PHILOSOPHY IS ALWAYS BALANCING THOSE INTERESTS AND BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE NEEDS OF TODAY BUT ALSO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE VISION THAT WE HAVE FOR FOR THE CITY AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S A CITY PEOPLE CAN LIVE WITH. AND I HEAR AND KNOW SO MANY FRIENDS THAT GREW UP HERE THAT CAN'T CAN'T EVEN AFFORD TO RENT LET ALONE OWN IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY WERE RAISED WHERE YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ALL THEIR CORE MEMORIES AND I WANT TO BE A PART OF CHANGING THAT. BUT EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN EVERY PART OF THE CITY WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREAS OR AREAS THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED DISINVESTMENT. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THAT BOSTON REMAINS ACCESSIBLE TO TO ALL BOSTONIANS. SO I THINK THAT'S THE LENS I WOULD BRING TO IT WHILE ALSO, YOU KNOW, BALANCING TAKING ALSO ACCOUNT NOT JUST MY VISION AND VALUES BUT THE EXPERT RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CITY STAFF THAT THAT ARE HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO REALLY ANALYZE CODE AND ANALYZE BUILDINGS AS WELL AS COMMUNITY YOU KNOW, DESIRES FOR FOR THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND SO I THINK THAT YOU KNOW I'M GOING TO GO INTO EACH HEARING HAVING PREPARED AND HAVING READ UP AND ALSO WITH A LISTENING MINDSET TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING THE THE MOST BENEFICIAL DECISIONS FOR FOR THE CITY AND EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS. THANK YOU. THAT WAS A GREAT ANSWER. SO HOW AND THIS IS THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED NORM HOW SHOULD THE ZBA WEIGH DECISIONS ON PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED THE EPA BOARD APPROVAL? DO YOU BELIEVE THAT ZBA MEMBERS SHOULD EVER VOTE ON A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN VOTED NO ON A PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN VETTED AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND BOARD AND IF SO, UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES? YEAH, I MEAN I THINK I, I THINK I DON'T LIKE TO THINK AND IN THE WORLD OF IN THE WORLD ABSOLUTES BECAUSE FOR SO MANY PEOPLE YOU KNOW I'M AN IMMIGRANT MY BACKGROUND'S BEING AN IMMIGRANT. I WORK A LOT ON EQUITY ISSUES IN THE CITY AND I KNOW THAT THE RULES DON'T ALWAYS SEEM TO APPLY TO EVERYONE EQUALLY AND SO I THINK THAT I, I WOULD DEFINITELY TAKE THE EXPERTISE AND AND ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT EVERY TIME YOU GO THROUGH THESE PROCESSES IT'S IT'S COSTLY IT'S IT TAKES TIME FOR FOR THE APPLICANTS AND SO I WOULD NOT I WOULD TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY IF I WAS GOING TO GO AGAINST SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN THOROUGHLY VETTED BUT I WON'T SAY I NEVER WOULD RIGHT BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE TO THINK IN THE WORLD OF ABSOLUTES KNOWING THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR GRAY AND YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK SOME OF THE CRITERIA WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IS SORT OF THE HARDSHIP TO A PARTICULAR APPLICANT, THE IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT HARMING THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMUNITY INPUT. SO I THINK SOME OF THAT IS WHAT COULD WHAT COULD LEAD US TO INTERPRET A CASE DIFFERENTLY THAN THAN PERHAPS YOU KNOW, OTHERS THAT LOOKED AT IT BEFORE US. BUT BUT AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO SAY LIKE I ABSOLUTELY WOULD OR WOULDN'T WITHOUT HAVING THE SPECIFICS IN FRONT OF ME. YEAH ABSOLUTELY. AND THE REASON I STARTED ASKING THIS QUESTION IS BECAUSE THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PROJECTS WHERE WELL AT LEAST ONE I CAN THINK OF WHERE THE PROJECT AND I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE SPECIFICS BUT ESSENTIALLY THE PROJECT GOT BP BOARD APPROVAL AND THEN IT TO DBA AND IT WAS NOT APPROVED BASED ON HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS WERE THERE. AND I PERSONALLY FEEL LIKE I UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF PARKING ON NEIGHBORHOODS BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A THOROUGH BTD AND PROCESS THAT EVERY CITY DEPARTMENT HAS WEIGHED IN ON A PROJECT BEFORE IT GOES TO THE EPA BOARD. SO JUST MY ADVOCACY IS THAT IF IT'S PARTICULARLY ABOUT PARKING AND IT'S BEEN VETTED BY THE EPA BOARD. I ABSOLUTELY AM IN SUPPORT OF GOING WITH THE RECOMMENDATION PARTICULARLY IN THAT RESPECT BECAUSE I MEAN THE BBDO HAS I SHOULD SAY PLANNING TO HAS TRANSPORTATION YOU KNOW, EXPERTISE HAS A LOT OF THE EXPERTISE THAT IS NEEDED. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHY THESE CHECKS AND BALANCES EXIST, WHY THESE COMMISSIONS EXIST, WHY THERE IS STATE AUTHORITY, YOU KNOW, INVOLVED WITH CREATING SOME OF THESE ADDITIONAL CHECKS. SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THEY THAT THE PROCESSES BE DONE SEPARATELY. BUT I DO JUST WANT TO SAY THAT AS A CITY I THINK THE IDEA THAT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING SPOTS NEED TO BE BUILDS WITH NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT NEAR TRANSIT HUBS LIKE THE MTA IS SOMETHING THAT I DO THINK IS CRUCIAL TOO AND HAS AN IMPACT ON OUR AFFORDABILITY AS A CITY SO AND OTHER CITIES THAT DON'T HAVE AN MBA HAVE HAVE GOTTEN RID OF PARKING MINIMUMS. SO IT'S LIKE THE FACT THAT SALEM MASSACHUSETTS THAT DOES IT ONLY HAS A COMMUTER RAIL DOESN'T HAVE A PARKING MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS BUT A PLACE WHERE BUSSES AND THE T ARE FREQUENT YOU KNOW AND MAYBE IT'S SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD BUT I DO THINK THAT THAT IS THE WAY THAT ON THE SHOULDERS OF THE IS AT CERTAIN POINTS IS ENSURING THAT WE CAN BUILD HOUSING IN THE CITY AND SO I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T FULLY STATE MY OPINION TO THOSE THAT WILL CONTINUE AND THOSE THAT WILL SERVE ON ON THE ZBA BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND I THINK WE'RE IN A MOMENT IN THE CITY WHERE WE REALLY ARE ASKING THE QUESTION. I MEAN I MOVED HERE MAKING $45,000 A YEAR. I HAD TO LIVE WITH MULTIPLE ROOMMATES. I AM REALLY LUCKY TO LIVE IN NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON NORTH OF BEACON HILL. IT'S NOT IN THE BEST CONDITION BUT YOU KNOW, I YOU KNOW, I LIVE WHERE I LIVE AND I DO THINK THERE IS A MOMENT WE'RE IN AS A CITY WHERE OUR YOUNG PROFESSIONALS LIKE ME WHO MOVED HERE TEN YEARS AGO ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LIVE HERE. AND I DO THINK I HAVE A DUTY TO REPRESENT THOSE PEOPLE AND SO AS YOU KNOW, THE MOST RECENT PERSON TO MOVE TO BOSTON THAT'S ON THE CITY COUNCIL I FEEL LIKE I ALSO REPRESENT THAT NEXT GENERATION OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE HERE AND SO I FIND THAT WORK REALLY IMPORTANT AND IT DOES MAKE ME SOMETIMES GET REALLY EMOTIONAL ABOUT THESE ISSUES AND ABOUT THESE TOPICS BECAUSE I WANT THE NEXT ME TO BE ABLE TO MOVE HERE AND TO THRIVE HERE SO SO MY LAST QUESTION IS HOW WOULD YOU APPROACH ZONING VARIANCE DECISIONS IN HIGHER OPPORTUNITY NEIGHBORHOODS VERSUS THOSE THAT ARE TYPICALLY EXPERIENCED DISINVESTMENT? DO I THINK THAT THAT IS A STRUGGLE THAT THE THAT MOST MAJOR CITIES ARE FACING THAT'S SORT OF LIKE OVER DEVELOPING AND OVERBURDENING SOME SOME CENTRAL NEIGHBORHOODS, DISINVESTMENT IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT TEND TO BE LOWER INCOME AND HAVE MORE PEOPLE OF COLOR AND THEN YOU HAVE LIKE THE HIGH OPPORTUNITY NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THAT WANT TO PRESERVE, YOU KNOW, THE QUALITY OF LIFE LIKE THAT. BUT THAT'S SORT OF LIKE I WOULD ADD THAT THIRD LIKE THE DOWNTOWN AREA SORT OF IS PART OF THAT TRIANGLE OF, YOU KNOW, TENSIONS AND THAT YOU HAVE TO MANAGE. I THINK I WOULD ALWAYS APPROACH DECISIONS BASED ON YOU KNOW, THERE IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS WE HAVE THEY'VE BEEN RESOUND IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THERE'S BEEN BEEN RESOUND IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATIONS AROUND COMMUNITY NEEDS AND AND DESIRES BUT IT HASN'T BEEN YET FORMALIZED AND TOURISM IN TO NEW ZONING AND THEN THERE'S ONES THAT YOU KNOW STILL NEED TO BE TACKLED AND SO I THINK I WOULD TRY TO MEET THE THE NEEDS AND DESIRES OF THE COMMUNITY IN THOSE DECISIONS BUT ALSO LOOK TOWARDS HOW TO HOW TO MAXIMIZE INVESTMENT IN AREAS THAT NEED IT, HOW TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER IN AREAS THAT ARE OVERBURDENED. AND AND I THINK YOU KNOW AGAIN IT'S LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT AT THE MICRO LEVEL HERE KIND OF LIKE PROJECT BY PROJECT BUT TRYING TO TAKE THAT THAT MAYBE 50 FOOT VIEW I WON'T SAY LIKE 10,000 FOOT VIEW BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN OUR PURVIEW BUT TO SAY WELL WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVERALL AND WHAT DOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEED OVERALL? AND SO I THINK I DEFINITELY THINK INCLUSIONARY ZONING IS GOING TO BE THE ANSWER FOR HOW WE CONTINUE TO SHARE THE PROSPERITY ACROSS THE CITY AND MAKE IT THE MOST A LIVABLE CITY FOR EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. AND YEAH, AND I THINK THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT GENTRIFICATION AND I OFTEN FIND THAT OFTENTIMES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GENTRIFICATION THAT COMES WITH DEVELOPMENT BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE GENTRIFICATION THAT COMES FROM LACK OF INVESTMENT AND LACK OF DEVELOPMENT. SO THERE IS NO THERE IS NO THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT GENTRIFICATION THAT I THAT'S A PHRASE THAT PEOPLE SAY ALL THE TIME. BUT THERE'S ALSO GENTRIFICATION WITH LACK OF DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT MEANS THAT YOU KNOW I MEAN LOOK AT LOOK AT THE SOUTH END, YOU KNOW SO LOOK AT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED THE MOST BY GENTRIFICATION. IT'S BECAUSE THERE WASN'T ADDITIONAL HOUSING STOCK TO BE TO BE BUILT SO THAT MEANT PEOPLE RENOVATED PREVIOUSLY AFFORDABLE HOMES AND THAT REALLY I DO BELIEVE THAT SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENED IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE MEANT THAT I CAN CONTINUE TO STAY ON THE NORTH OF BEACON HILL BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER LUXURY UNIT TYPE UNITS THAT ARE BEING BUILT. SO THEN WHERE I LIVE IS NOT BEING IMPACTED AS MUCH AND SO I DO FEEL LIKE THERE IS AN ECONOMIC IMPACT AND ON, YOU KNOW, UNITS BEING BUILT THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT QUESTION IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE REALITY IS WE DO NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION THAT'S NUANCED AND THAT ISN'T JUST FULL OF TALKING POINTS. IT'S FILLED WITH THE ECONOMIC REALITIES OF WHAT IT MEANS TO BUILD HERE AND NOT BUILD HERE. AND SO I DO WANT TO TAKE I DO THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE TAKING MORE OF A ROLE IN LIKE TAKING DEVELOPERS TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY AND REALLY EXPLAINING SORT OF THE AMENITIES THAT ARE NEEDED BECAUSE THE REALITY IS YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT OF AMENITIES AND EMPHASIS UP YOUR NEEDS THAT COULD BE SOLVED FOR IF WE TOOK A REALLY PROACTIVE APPROACH SO I COULD GO ON FOR FOREVER AND NOW NONE OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE LEFT HERE SO SO BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH CELINA. I'M EXCITED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR NOMINATION AT THE NEXT MEETING AND TO NORM TARA JUST LINA, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR STEPPING UP TO SERVE. I THINK THAT THESE POSITIONS ARE SO IMPORTANT AND THEY WILL HAVE A LASTING IMPACT THE IMPACT THAT YOU ARE MAKING ON OUR CITY WILL BE FELT FOR DECADES TO COME AND SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP TO SERVE FOR NORM. THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP AGAIN AND I DON'T THINK SHANE IS THERE ANY PUBLIC TESTIMONY? I DON'T HAVE ANY MADAM CHAIR. AND IS JOE CORNISH IN THE WAITING ROOM PERHAPS? YES, I CAN BRING HIM OVER. YEAH, I THINK HE HE USUALLY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE DISTRICT COMMISSION. HI JOE. JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO ROB'S NOMINATION. SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNSELOR. AND THANK YOU FOR FOR ROB FOR BEING HERE AND FOR BEING WILLING TO SERVE ON THE ST PATEL'S AREA ARCHITECTURAL CONSERVATION DISTRICT COMMISSION. WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO WELCOME HIM AND WE'RE JUST EXCITED TO HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TO, YOU KNOW, ENSURE THAT WE HAVE GOOD REPRESENTATION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, JOE AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. WE I MEAN YOU KNOW ANYONE WHO'S EVER SERVED ON AN ARCHITECTURAL COMMISSION KNOWS THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND WE HAD A WHOLE HEARING WHERE THE WHOLE HEARING WAS JUST PRAISING YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK FOR I REMEMBER THAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR. I THINK EVERYONE WHO EVERYONE WHO HAS WORKED WITH YOU HAS LOVED WORKING WITH YOU. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO FOR OUR HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS. SO WITH THAT WE ARE GOING TO ADJOURN. BUT THIS HEARING THIS HEARING ON DOCKET 13531354 AND 1412 IS ADJOURNED AND I DON'T HAVE MY GAVEL BUT JUST IMAGINE MR THE GAVEL THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CONSIDER