good evening it is now six o'clock and I will call this special work session to order the city clerk will note that all council members are present again to those who are viewing tonight's meeting is being conducted virtually all of the City Council members are joining us along with our staff electronically members of the public may watch this meeting online at Burnsville MN / meetings or Comcast channel 16 or 859 if you would like to speak during the meeting you may call six five one three seven two eight two nine nine you may also speak by joining us at zoom dot u.s. /join more information is available on our meeting web page and in the council agenda package discussion of the council's priorities with regards to short and long term response to kovat 19 and now I would recognize our city manager melanine Lee for the discussion and priorities with regards to our short and long term response to kovat 19 miss Lee thank you madam mayor and council as we've all been through the last four to six weeks there have been a lot of evolving decisions to be made with regards to our response to the coab Ananke enviros and the services and operations that we oversee it as we move into discussions about recovery and thinking about what that looks like for Burnsville I thought it would be beneficial for the council to have a facilitated discussion about what does that look like to you I'll have an opportunity to talk intentionally about what your priorities are in what matters to you so we can [Music] come to expectations on how we can move forward and meet the council's goals as we navigate through Koba 19 recoveries so with that I've asked deputy manager Greg Lindberg to help facilitate the discussion so I'm gonna ask I turn it over to Greg at this time welcome thanks Melanie madam mayor members of the council a few things before we get started tonight we really wanted to take an opportunity where all of you could feel that you were heard in a conversation that we hope from a staff perspective that that will help us to to best implement the policy decisions that you make really with a focus like Melanie had mentioned on not only our response to covin 19 but now as we kind of look to the future really what is the recovery for the city of Burnsville in response to the virus and finally as we look at what we'd like to accomplish over the course of the next 90 minutes is really to have some clarity amongst ourselves about the council's expectations in where you see us going when it comes to response and recovery to cope at 19 so we would like to suggest is we we do that in a two-part conversation the first part being sometimes just for each of you as individuals to share a little bit about what matters to you and our response and our recovery and the second part of our conversation then being more focused on what are your expectations when it comes to our response in our ongoing work to best serve the community so what we were hoping to do is provide each of you and I know that you've had a chance individually to chat with the city manager about this but each of you to share a little bit about what matters to you in terms of what's going on in our world and how we're responding to kovat 19 in the situation as its unfolded over the course of the past six weeks and then secondly what your priority and again our goal here is for each of you to be able to listen to understand one another and I will I'll be here taking copious notes - is we cannot start to think about what are one of the themes of what matters to you and really what what your priorities are moving into the next short term or even long-term future as it comes to the city's recovery so with that I certainly would I'm here to answer any questions you might have about our approach over the course of the next several minutes otherwise I would turn it perhaps back to you madam mayor - to share with us a little bit about what your what matters to you and what your priorities are as we is we navigate through our response to koban thank you thank you Greg one of the things that for me as we look to the future is that what is it that we agree on together what is it that we agree on one of the things that we have talked about often is the safety of our community and that always comes up whether it whether we're in COBIT or not pre COBIT commad post Colvin it is always about the safety of our community and its well-being when we look at our vision we want to be bold we want people to know that we're thriving and also that we're a welcoming community so if we all agree in terms of where we're going and then we also agree as to what our responsibility as the council is and what is the responsibility of staff and then we can move forward in that regard I know and I listen to my fellow colleagues on the council and I know that all of us have difference of opinions but there's one thing that I do know is that we all have perhaps the same values with regard to how we listen to each other and and how we also address the future of the community and things are changing and we're always going to be looking at all of that so my hope is that we have we find areas that where we agree on and areas that we understand our role and the role of the city manager and staff so for me those are the opening statements that I have with regard to moving forward no matter Marin hearing you say that safety is of the utmost importance right that nothing nothing about that commitment has changed in your mind and that it's important from your perspective for the the council to agree on direction and find some commonality and the values when it comes to making those decisions providing that policy that fair yeah it's pretty much on a larger level that's you know that's our responsibility as a council is always to look to the future we know where we have been we know what we're in now and what is the future going to look like and do we agree on the principles and the values that will guide the decisions that staff will make to deliver services to the people that we have been elected to serve thanks madam mayor and forgive my lack of pattern but I'm just using how my screen tiles are organized in a month to council members so with that I come somewhere Augustus and you're the next time i screen well think what matters to you and what are your priority oh well I would what the mayor hadn't say the health and safety of our city is probably paramount in my mind I want us to get to a point where people in our city people come to our city will feel safe here feel safe to go out we know we're all working toward trying to open up our society again and we know that it's going to take some time we're gonna have to have testing to have a full open for all the way it's up through you know big conferences and conventions we may have to have a vaccine I'm pretty sure it'd be the responsible thing to do but how do we but how do we make life a little more bearable for our residents giving them a chance to get out you know we have to in my mind we have to keep up our core services and that's working on our streets sewer water doing safety inspections just ensuring that people are okay and letting them know that we're actually working on this I I look at the guidelines the CDC gives us I look at the guidelines our governor is forgiving us I think he's doing a pretty good job of trying to figure out how to cope with all this right now and I feel passionate about about the safety of our residents a little more calmer this week and I was last week and I kind of blew up and I handled that probably not as good as I should have I still disagree with Paul's not closing the playgrounds but I do apologize to my console for a panic coin-op that we're not going to get anywhere having that kind of rhetoric going on we need to work together thank you thanks counselor breathless and early appreciate that hearing you say again a commitment to safety in those core functions then really figuring out how do we return how do we return life to some new sense of normal when it comes to the city's response and the service that we're providing Thank You councilmember Keeley you're the next on my screen testing your there thank you madam mayor and councilmembers well I'm gonna open up by giving some love back to my fellow council member who I've known for about 15 or 16 years or more the way I handled that situation was not my best and I want to sincerely apologize to you mr. Gustafson my good friend and the rest of the council and our city manager and staff for how I responded unprofessionally so my apologies you know the thing that has frustrated me about this whole situation is is it's sort of got thrown on us they got thrown on everybody and it created a vacuum of power that the governor has and he is passing down executive orders that are controlling and overriding everything we do or many of the things we did not everything but and that's made it very difficult I've always believed that this was not a binary decision that it isn't you know we we have to protect lives but we also have to protect our livelihood and our livelihood is threatened the longer that we stay in this shelter in place closed businesses so the longer were in that position the more pressure builds it's like I kind of liken it to a little pressure cooker and the heat is constant and we know that we're doing the right thing we're doing what we're supposed to do and we have been for several weeks now or a few weeks and but the longer that it goes the more that balance starts to become out of balance with protecting our livelihoods and it threatens a lot of things reading stories and looking at charts and learning more data every it seems like every day or two we're exposed to more information about the number of people infected and how it's being spread and you you know when we we try and find that balance of trying to protect every life possible that certainly would indicate that we would need to shut everything down like shut the grocery stores down and everything would have to go to curbside pickup so the instacart shoppers inside the store would have a booming business in grocery if everything was order online and pick up at the curb but we we haven't and that taught us some things as well and so it's a struggle and it's not one that any of us wanted or asked for or prefer to have but it is is a healthy debate and I believe that for me you know I value the quality of life that a city can provide as a reprieve to some degree I look at our parks and it's a reprieve from the the dark locked doors that exist pretty much everywhere else a person can do to go record and our parks are I think they're it I think they're the best medicine that society and our communities have right now is the ability to go out and walk on a trail and in this case still utilize some playground equipment totally understand there's risks with everything there's risks when you go to the grocery store so it's the balance right how do we how do you balance and how do you say shut this but not that and so bringing that just back that whole thing back around to our community I want to make sure that we continue to preserve the one thing that our our residents have that they can turn to to give them some sense of a balance and some a dose of something that can keep their mental health in a good shape right I mean exercising getting outside getting fresh air and all that is very important at this time at the same time I I think as we have these discussions around the governor what the governor is now talking about and many of them are talking about having high having looking at or what other ways can we open up our ball fields and athletic complexes what athletic activities could in fact operate under different circumstances social separation circumstances and so you know tennis and pickleball seem to be working okay as long as the courts are separated maybe there's a way to find some way to work with our athletic organizations to find a way that we can see maybe soccer when you have this massive wide open field you have space right social distancing is very easy when you when you're all spread out over a large ball field or a soccer field at a park so what what changes in how the game is played can support that social distancing and still allow them to get out and compete so quality of life in our parks and in our fields and our ball fields and and soccer fields and that kind of stuff I think I think cities are the the healthy medicine that can be provided to people where virtually everything else is shut down I don't know where else you can go to get any kind of respite from the stress and pressure of whether it's sitting at home homeschooling your children and or maybe working from home and homeschooling your children and try to deal with the fact that this is going on and there's a lot of uncertainty a lot of people are still sitting at home trying to get help from unemployment every single self-employed independent contractor single owner LLC sole proprietor they haven't gotten a dime of unemployment so this has been a big stress for them they're still waiting on it from the state of Minnesota which is said that they'll probably have it by the end of the month that means they've gone more than a month five weeks with no income and that's that's a stress in itself on a family budget so there's there's so much out there that is fresh stress negative you know abnormal just just most of it's just abnormal right I believe that we as a city have to focus on being more of the medicine to get people through it so that's kind of my pick priority and and I think there's my comment earlier about maybe we should just shut everything down and make it all curbside pickup I think let's flip that around the other way maybe we should be advocating for more stores being open where everything is curbside pickup like some of the stores that we have heard about that wanted to reopen the tobacco store he could take or he or she could take orders over the phone and just like the restaurants are doing and then run your order out to your car and your credit card and take it back in and bring your receipt back out that's what I've experienced that all the restaurants I've got to get food so if food can be done that way why can't merchandise be done that way so I think there's a lot of opportunities to influence the decisions at the top we don't have any control over that clearly but we can certainly be an advocate for common-sense approaches to how some businesses can get back open and I think what the takeout orders are our examples out there are doing could be applied to a lot of businesses thank you thanks councilmember Keeley really what I what I heard you say certainly correct me if I'm wrong is that there's a there's an element of balance here a balance between physical health people's lives and our commitment to the business community in people's livelihoods and that balance needs to be taken into account that really are our approach to this is to maintain the legislative priority that you all have on the local control but realizing that that might not be the environment we find ourselves in take a common-sense approach to our community and the decisions that are being made and that really this is a quality of life issue that quality of life becomes very important in the decisions that we're making and ultimately the operational decisions that get made at a staff one thanks her thanks for sharing welcome councilmember workman you're next on my screen sir let's look at them in the principal's office right sorry about that that's not being picked and just joking councilmember Keely took my key word quality of life has been my main priority and concern throughout this process since it started none of us have been here before done this as a population and so it has been a struggle because there's not a firm template to work from so I truly believe that everyone on this zoom meeting is acting from the best possible place in their heart and I and I really truly believe that we're all trying to accomplish what we think is best for this community what matters most to me quality of life mental health balance we're seeing a surge of suicide rates mental health crisis calls people are not handling this well it's very scary so my priorities throughout this has been to try to find ways to give some type of relief to this you know personally I've tried to minimize how much TV I watch because it's it's a lot so we were outside a lot one thing I've said before and I'll say again is I was so proud of the tennis court solution because it worked anyway that wasn't an open or closed yes or no manner it was finding a way to provide that amenity to the public in a safe and responsible way and I I feel like there's an opportunity to expand upon that in other areas that we work on in the future I don't know if we're gonna get into the weeds more about playgrounds specifically or not some of the points I had written down were related to the CDC guidelines that guided this discussion essentially and some questions that had come up as part of that and Greg I don't know if you want me to get into that now or just kind of leave it at a surface level or this is you know this is your time vintage bear what matters to you and what your priorities are so the sharing a bucket go for it thank you part of the CDC guidelines it was a list and and some of the other items on that list pertained to social distancing in our parks and our public areas and it does say that you must maintain at least six feet of distance from others at all times and so my concern with the playgrounds is if we're going to implement that specific guideline it would seem logical that we look at all of them on that list and are we prepared to get into the weeds on the possibility of closing our parks as a whole our trails or any other public space where that six foot distancing is not possible at all times you're not asking for an answer to this question these are just kind of things I've been thinking about as we've been going through this specific notes have been taken about the playgrounds being non-porous and the life what's the word I'm looking for how long the virus can survive on those non-porous surfaces are we prepared to discuss other non-porous surfaces like benches and picnic tables hand railings and other areas where the spires can survive in our public parks and either remove or close those things as well as playgrounds the last thing I'll mention I don't want to take up too much time on this is our our police and fire we are all hearing how scarce our PPE is I think it's getting better should the playgrounds be closed my assumption then is that we'll have an increase in calls to our police and fire to enforce those closures and will our first responders and police be needing to use PPE to simply tell someone to go home I worry about that because they're out there every day and they're very important to a community so with that I'll leave it there and and if we continue this dialogue I'll be happy to participate as we move forward thank you Thank You councilmember workman as I as I summarize and reflect on what you just said really a focus on quality of life really following councilmember Keeley in some of those comments but also that recognition is balance being important and that that this conversation and our our recovery as a city and in community really needs to take into account the mental health aspect of what's happening it ended that we're following appropriate guidelines and we're asking ourselves the right questions when it comes to making decisions at a policy level and I think I heard you also say in an operational Thank You councilmember councilmember Schulz I'm sorry certainly last but definitely not least on my screen there we go okay so my values on what I'm looking for going forward is is looking at a balance of lives you know our safety issues livelihoods but also liberties and I think we have to keep all three things in the foremost of our mind when we're making a decision and using a more holistic approach to this I also think we're gonna have to take a longer-term view on our decisions we've been in crisis mode but now we're getting to a different step the governor is saying that it will be 18 more months that this will impact how businesses operate impact how our citizens can interact with one another and also impact people's abilities to work and yet income 18 months I am hopeful that a vaccine is created but there has never by anyone have created a successful vaccine for coronavirus of any flavor and trust me researchers really want to because there serves there's mirrors all of that out there so they've been striving to make a successful vaccine so I am hopeful because we have brilliant people out there very motivated and working on this but I'm not going to pin my actions on on that and so I think to myself I need to make decisions on that longer term in a balanced and you know what what does that what does that look like to us you know and when we talked about people's livelihoods their income I mean that isn't about profits that's about food lines in the Twin Cities are sneaking out for miles that's happening are why who gave about free lunches and we're gonna serve them for two hours ran out in 45 minutes and turn people away yeah we do have people who are independent contractors and yeah they've got five to six weeks without a paycheck and they're gonna go probably another month these aren't wealthy people elect these independent contractors you know their hair stylists and you know jobs like that so you know when I'm thinking about people's livelihoods I'm thinking about their ability to be able to buy food and keep a roof over their head so I'm trying to balance that and when we look at balancing liberties if we're going to take actions or discuss taking actions that are even further than what the governor has asked us to do for me there has to be an overwhelming reason to do so there's a lot that's happening as far as civil liberties that on a city level we can address because of the executive orders that's above our pay grade but there are things within the city that we can address I need to look at and I think those are important too you know I'm I'm concerned about the service disruptions we have kids that have special needs in our schools and in our families and they have needs that aren't being met and it's not that everyone isn't trying to meet them it's it's because you know the schools are shut down and all these services are shut down and so I have a real concern about that I'm concerned about our vulnerable populations and how this impacts them and how it's impacting them disproportionately you know as we go through this and I balanced safety and we have to keep safety in mind you absolutely have to but we also have to realize during this next period of time when we're balanced things safety with these other issues we cannot stamp out this virus what we I mean it's gonna simmer right it's gonna keep past simmering it's gonna go up and down we're gonna have kind of that sine wave we don't want it to boil we don't want it to overwhelm but it's gonna be on a simmer and it is and so I think residents are asking when is this all gonna end yeah I'm here another one it's gonna end and I and I don't think that's the right question to ask and I don't think that's the right question for for us as City Council members to be asking you know open or closed or you know when's it gonna end or you know even what the next normal is I think the question is how do we continue and that's what I'm looking for how do we continue Thank You councilman for Schultz side I like that question how do we continue that makes a lot of sense a hearing again balance is important to you council member that a holistic approach is really the most appropriate way to move forward into recovery and that we have to take a longer-term view and that equity in our decision-making and for our communities of the utmost importance well thank you all for sharing your thoughts like we had mentioned at the front end of the conversation it was our hope that you all could have a chance this year what matters to you what your what your priorities are in terms of not only our response but moving into our recovery now the second half of the conversation I'd like to open up if it's agreeable to the group is some time for you all to talk about what what you've just heard and based on what you've just heard what are your expectations specifically what are your expectations of one another and what are your expectations more broadly from our policy perspective is decisions are made to to produce the best results for the community and what your expectations are for staff as well we'll certainly take cues from the conversations there and as I've jotted down a few notes I only wish you could see the card table that I have set up as my makeshift home office because there's stuff all over the place um but I really heard three things in the collective conversation here that that safety is of paramount importance to all of you and the quality of life and I think that you all define that somewhat differently but I'm going to want to editorialize or suggest that quality of life as a theme is important for the group and as I as I listen to you it's interesting because a lot of what you talked about in terms of quality of life really gets right back to the the vision that you all recently established Burnsville is a vibrant and city wholly leading welcoming to all whether it be whether it be equity from councilman results perspective or hearing from councilmember Keely about about thinking differently about our response and how we promote our response vibrant city boldly the welcoming you all see that that reminded me of the vision that you all could establish and then the last theme that I was hearing is balance at the end of the day this is a health and safety issue and and safety has been one of your guiding principles is now and has been one of your guiding principles for a long period of time but really this is an issue where we need to balance health and safety with the business and the economics of the situation at hand right and that leads into well-being and and some of the issues of mental health and the other priorities that you all have discussed so really those issues of safety quality of life and balance really resonated with me anyway but with that I'll stop I'll stop rambling and turn the conversation back to you is you here is you've heard from each other what what are the expectations that you have as we move forward into recovery in response in that longer-term view that we've talked about being important and you can also disagree with my editor editorializing and theming as well that might be helped well everyone since everyone is so silent I'll I as I listen to everyone there are more things that we agree on and we are in this place that we've never experienced before and it is a place that we are all trying to understand how we would move forward the thing is as Kara spoke to and we've heard this from all of the medical and scientists that it takes a while we knew that it takes a while to to create a vaccine so the thing is that's a task that we have the professionals working on but what is it that we have control over in our community and I believe that what we do have control over is to stick to our vision and to understand that we are going to continue to focus on making sure that Burnsville is a vibrant community that we are boldly leading and we are welcoming to all and what that means covers everything that I've heard from everybody which is we need to make sure that the safety of our people is that paramount their health and their well-being and that addresses the quality of life and at the same time it's important which addresses the quality of life the economics we all need our jobs and our businesses need to function how we do that as we move forward we can only do it with the guidance that comes from the people who know best what's happening and how to open up the economy in a thoughtful way so that we address the safety health and well-being of everybody as we open up our our economics and that gets at the quality of life and I think that's where the challenge and the point the the pressure points are is how do we open up and I think then we go back to the safety and the well-being and the quality of life and I think our we can only look to the professionals who are who are studying this and helping us but what do we do with regard to our people how do we tell them that they are continuously thought of and we want them to know that we're here to to to be there with them to understand to be empathetic and to make sure that they are safe that they also have the opportunity to be to have recreation and that's one of the things that that we hear and from the very beginning we have always and I have always said that it's important for us to have you know our health and mental health our physical health and our mental health addressed because it's important for all of us so how do we do that in a way that we also make sure that our children are protected our children are safe our children are fed as well as our seniors and that's that welcoming piece how do we take care of our people so I see and hear a lot of things in common that we believe in and I think the one thing that I want to make sure is that we also on understand that we have a very very competent professional staff that is very thoughtful and are working to make good decisions in delivering service to our citizens and to make sure that what we talk about they execute in a thoughtful and caring way and I see that happening so I think one of the things is I'd like to see us all agree that we do have a group of people that we have hired we have a city manager who leads that team and you know if we all agree that they're competent they're professional they're thoughtful and they make good decisions on a tactical level because ours is a level that is governing and theirs as tactical so I think also understanding that we should trust the decisions they make for the good of the community and we can always step in they're always talking to us about how they make their decisions and if we agree with those principles and values that they work from then that's good but if we disagree then we should speak up at that time and then tactically they address those thank you madam mayor other thoughts Council on expectations where you want to see us go as we think about putting into really putting into practice what you talked about with what matters to you and your priorities it comes to our response in our in our recovery as we look at copán great connects I agree with a lot of things our mayor has said there I agree with a lot of things everybody has said about what their thoughts are and the balance and that I'm not sure how we get there yet but we need to make thoughtful decisions based on the current information we have which scans those changes it's just about every day and so we have to be willing to pivot when the time comes to pivot in different areas I believe what I said earlier is we we really need to treat our citizens with a just a special kindness and I'm not saying we don't now because we have a well-trained Public Safety they they know how to deal with the public but all of us need to keep in mind that you know there's a lot of people are really scared out there and there's a lot of people are really hurting out there and they may come off a little sideways once in a while and it happens but you know just take a breath and think about what you how you respond to people you know it's the knee-jerk is it never the right well the right way to respond I know that from experience but going forward in my mind we we need to make decisions based on good solid information we have from the experts out there every day and we do have to plan for the future and we do have to plan for when certain businesses may open up again and we have to plan for some day the aim center may open up again when that is I don't see it any time real close in the future but it's a it's going to be steps at a time it's going to be in phases and and I think the biggest thing for us and for actually the public is we get anxious but we all got to show some patience this takes time we're not we're not all going back to work from around quite frankly I don't truly believe if they just opened it up tomorrow that everybody would go back out anyways it's a there's a lot of people are really nervous about it especially especially when you talk to your seniors I have a lot of seniors of my neighbourhood sticking pretty close to home these days and and I don't blame them they're doing just that so it's a it's thoughtful thoughtfulness is hard part of what I would like to see though as we move forward if there if there are changes and how we're attacking things to be kind of like the council be aware that these are some of the changes we're going to make this week so then so we know what's going on so if people do talk to us about it we can talk with them about it now any union you do a really really good job on communication I get well that's updates to me all the time and I do appreciate that and it's very very important again I'll go back to the weekend the work together in a calm way and we're not gonna agree on everything and I get that but we can we can make some good policies here and I'm in our time fully fully know that our staff is very capable at executing any policies that we end up coming up with they I've watched them do that for since 2004 they've always done that and I don't see where it would change now thank you thank you tell us member gustn other other thoughts on expectations great I can speak a little bit about some expectations I don't know that we've ever disagreed that we have that we don't have a stellar staff and that we don't trust Steph I think we've always agreed that we've got a top-notch staff and that we've always trusted our staff that's never something that we've disagreed upon and I would echo come from Gusterson statements that we should not make knee-jerk reactions that we should be making decisions based on information and we should show some patience because what's maybe correct today could be incorrect tomorrow because we are walking through the woods with a blindfold on right now my expectations and they'll just kind of reiterate what I spoke to earlier would be ongoing communication with counsel from staff when you know signifi decisions are going to be made and I believe that we have gotten that to this point and that we find wiggle room and ways to operate in a way that aren't open clothes yes/no and binary that we find creative problem-solving as our main priority as we always have I feel I don't think this case is oh this it is different I was going to say I don't think this case is much different but it is different but I think some of the best decisions have been made outside of the conventional and I would expect that we can find solutions that are amicable to all of our citizens so with that I'll I'll mute and continue to listen Thank You councilmember workman other expectations hooks I'd like to add I think we need to err on the side of flexible and open-mindedness when it comes to trying to enforce the governor's executive order I've read some examples recently that confused the heck out of me I'm not even sure how unless there was an expert on hand who actually could well if City Attorney Jan Nick was able to be there on-site when we are visiting and educating and asking for volunteer compliance to the governor's executive order if there can be a legal interpretation under the executive order that a given business might be included or excluded there's a lot out there that's not so easy you know I know my wife holding store that's an easier that's a close but the recent situation with the bubble car wash that's so easy I've read information that appears to me like they should have been allowed to stay open and so we have an interpretation problem along with all of these confusing directions and so I would prefer that we make sure that we do just educate and walk away and not you know make anyone feel like they're forced to be enclosed and and and if they feel they are rightfully able to stay open then maybe what's the process for them to be able to make that case I don't know what that is Joel you'll just have to go on right along Sandor meet them wherever you when there's a call and then you can look it over and assess it then you can give some guidance I don't know because it is it is more technical than I thought it was and it's I'd rather that we sort of leave it alone or at least educate and and ask for voluntary compliance based on the way we interpret it and let it be and there's probably gonna be more of those I'm afraid there's gonna be a lot more of those because the level of frustration by a lot of business owners is as I mentioned my boiling pot with the lid it's it's gonna boil over and it's going to challenge us and I don't wanna I'd hate to see that you know are incredibly talented men and women in blue and they're the leadership of captain Schwartz a chief source sorry that was a long old flash back there you know be caught up in in in in some bad press on whether this was was was allowed or this was not allowed that's I think to our discussion last time let's try and stay out of that and because I think the the signs from the from the various you know from deed from the governor the state chamber the various chambers everybody's working on the word recovery and reopen and so at this point I would I just I think are the best advice is let's really keep an arm's length to any sort of strong enforcement let it be a little bit more flexible and free-flowing and allow because we're probably on the cusp of many businesses being allowed to reopen and that's in itself is going to be another challenge because as soon as you know the dam gets a hole and then another hole then everybody's going to want it right so it's it's going to exacerbate an existing problem so I don't want the existing problem to even exist so put it that way if we can all if we can help it and there's there's a lot coming when it comes to enforcing as those executive orders starting to lose loosen up and unfortunately they're just not all as easy as golf cars open golf course closed then golf course open right lawn service closed lawn service open those are those are kind of black and white there's a lot of businesses out there that are hard to describe and you can't say it that way and the governor is probably not going to line item every single if variant of different type of business each time he does an executive order and so we're getting you know I just don't want to get into that interpretation I don't want to see our law enforcement quite frankly I don't see staff of any kind in that position if we can help it so Minnesota nice I think should prevail right now thank you XCOM symmetrically kind of the second time the idea of being kind has come up we talked about expectations other thoughts about expectations so some themes I heard in the expectation discussion centered around communicating wealth seeking clarity and I would suggest that as we think about our recovery from kovat that's not only with with the community but it's also in amongst the council and between the council and staff and I think that place is kind of the trust conversation that I heard a couple of you mentioned I really would what stood out to me was was being kind in our approach I don't know that I had thought about that coming into this conversation but I think both when we've talked about what matters to folks and what your priorities are and as we've talked about expectation that that seems to resonate and help to define some of the conversation and again correct me if I'm wrong but I'm also hearing a lot of conversations that again ties back to our vision that that we really expect that we're going to focus on on the vision that you all have created to drive the conversation for you all to make policy decisions but then also from a staff perspective it's really our role Melanie and I were having conversation today to carry the bucket right and to implement implement the decisions in the in the policy direction that you're giving us in the most meaningful and productive way and behalf of the community and on behalf of the elected body so again when we think about when we think about expectations I'm hearing communication I'm hearing a focus on our vision and I'm hearing being kind and I think that that being kind could have plays it into the conversation about about balance and the realities of health and safety and business and the economy I also think it plays into how we treat each other the trust that we have you know one thing that I've learned about this group is that elected officials do trust back to make good quality professional recommendations and implement direction and I'm hearing I'm hearing that from you tonight am I missing anything is we talk about those expectations I have a list probably of 20 things based on your expectations conversations that I'm trying to boil down to the to the core what am I missing anything folks Greg guy I would just maybe reiterate adaptability so weird adaptability I think that's the word yeah all right quick on our feet able to adjust and move with the tide as it comes kind of goes back to my earlier statements about thinking problem-solving I think that plays into into the conversation about being thoughtful in our in our decision making and I heard that both from councilmember Gustafson and comfortably the cleaner I am missing others of you I know that it came up in conversation I think that that plays nicely to that well I think we have all since being in this season of COBIT have all learned to be flexible we've all learned to be nimble and all learned to pivot as we make decisions as new information come in and at the same time really making sure that we take care of the community and make good decisions from a place of principle and a place of values so and I think this conversation reminds us of what what we agree on and what is good for our community and what is good for our relationship as the governing body and with the staff who execute the tactical services to serve the members of our community so I really do want to thank my council members and also our staff Melanie and the leadership team who worked tirelessly to make sure that they execute those decisions on an ongoing basis and we're all learning to be nimble and flexible and learning to pivot and looking at the information before us and make good decisions from there Vera I appreciate that that put a much better bow on it than I did that's for sure but really the umbrella that we're talking about all of this is our vision and if we just had a couple of more weeks before Kovan 19 changed our world you all would have been having conversation about what your values are and what are those shared commitments that you have and I think that that is a really important conversation for us to continue especially as we as we recognize that we're going to be building a response to kovin 19 for some time so maybe those expectations are slightly revised that really the whole kind of our station is covered by our vision and what our what our values are yet to be determined but our expectations really are all about how we're going to communicate well how we're going to seek clarity and provide clarity being kind and then the idea of being adaptable compliment or worked in to your perspective for your comment and flexible merited the words that you were using in really shaping how we move forward in our response to the coded 19 with that certain this is your conversation in the other comments that you have otherwise I think I'll turn it back to our city manager Melanie if you have any insights or questions or thoughts from your perspective thanks Frank they are in council I really appreciate this conversation and I think Greg passionate well I hope you felt this was a good use of your time rustic Inc about how we're navigating through this I think the last four to six weeks have been held summer Keeley's point fraught with email we hear one thing in the morning and one thing in the afternoon and we're making decisions and there's a lot of uncertainty so appreciate all your support as we've worked through this and as we sort of we're moving out of crisis mode into recovery mode because we were supposed to have that values discussion as a follow-up share and vision we will be scheduling that with Mike stable he's agreed to come back and have that discussion with us so we can continue that on now that you know I'm gonna be a little bit about bond from the growth here but looking forward to doing that it's you also if you continue forward and make decisions that's certain to community well so with that I'll turn the backs in there okay Thank You Marnie thank you Greg for facilitating this session we do have a citizen who wishes to speak and I will now recognize mrs. Linda Kramer and mrs. Kramer I think the host is going to bring you on I reckon I know can you hear me yes we can hear you okay I just wanted to clarify a couple of things that I heard some of the council members mentioned number one in turns on councilman Keely of the police responding to people on playgrounds my husband made multiple rounds at different times of the day I realize it's been a bit cold he has seen people playing on the structures without closure signs he has not seen any children or parents on the structures with signs that say the structure is closed so I don't think that that's a real strong argument mr. workman I would like to know what your resources from the CDC for saying that trails are closed trails are not closed and furthermore I think we're kind of getting lost in the weeds if you will I am retired I don't have children that I'm worried about my kids both don't live in state but I am concerned about the children of our community making a decision to play tennis or pickleball or even to sit on a bench and you really cannot compare a playground to avenge those are adults making those decisions I am concerned about the children that come with their parents and as the Schultz said maybe it is the more vulnerable population they probably don't have the same access to information that I certainly do they don't know that they should be sanitizing their play structures and as dr. Johnson mentioned you know this the light I mean kids put everything in their mouth that's just normal behavior so I think we are making a big mistake by not closing the play structures and I can't understand why Burnsville is such an outlier compared to everybody else including Dakota County are surrounding our surrounding communities and then as well as the CDC recommendation so with that I'm gonna sign up and you'll probably be glad you're not kind of here well thank you mrs. Kramer for sharing your thoughts with us and your professional perspective as well thank you so much members of the council and Melanie and Greg is there anything else that we need to discuss sure never marry I don't believe so I I think for my perspective we got the clarity that we were looking for a meal it's really taking our notes and summarizing them and getting them back and other councils and and then keep your eyes open for some days about value discussion okay very good and I think that would be also helpful for our community when they're looking at structures and what's going to happen there I think that is in your domain and so and you've been very creative in ways that you look at pickleball and separating all of that out also with our trails where they are one way so that addresses the physical distance and and so we do have you know you've made some good decisions around all of that and keeping to the physical distance and making sure that people are continuing to enjoy their physical and mental health okay anything else if there is nothing else I will adjourn our meeting by acclamation