>> Mayor Muns: I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING IS RECONVENED IN OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL COUNCILMEMBERS ARE PRESENT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS AND COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER. THEY WILL BE ON ZOOM SHORTLY. OUR FIRST ITEM IS PRELIMINARY AGENDA. IT'S CONSIDERATION AND ACTION RESULTING FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION. OUR NEXT ITEM IS PERSONNEL APPOINTMENT, SIOR ADVISORY BOARD INTERIM MEMBER. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH? >> Smith: THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER AND I HAVE CONSULTED, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO APPOINT EPHRAIM GERDO TO FILL THE INTERIM APPOINTMENT EXPIRING IN OCTOBER '24. I MAKE THAT A MOTION. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION PASSES. NEXT ITEM, ITEM III, COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP UPDATE AND DIRECTION. ANDREW? >> WELL, GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. ANDREW FORTUNE, DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND GOVERNMENT RELATIONS. SO I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION AN INITIATIVE BROUGHT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND MYSELF FROM MICHAEL THOMAS. MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH HIS WORK WITH MY POSSIBILITIES AND HIS CONTINUED WORK THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S A NEW GROUP CALLED CONNECT AND UNIFIED CITY. NOW, A UNIFIED CITY IS WHAT THEY'RE NOW DEFINING A CITY COMMITTED TO IMPROVING FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. COMMUNITY HOUSING HEALTHCARE AND RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES. SOME OF THE BENEFITS HIGHLIGHTED IN THOSE AREAS WOULD BE SUPPORTING OUR FAMILIES, THE REPUTATION OF A CITY THAT TAKES BENEFITS THAT COME ALONG WITH THAT, COMMUNITY BUILDING, TALENT DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS DATE THAT THAT COULD BE HELPFUL AS WE MOVE FORWARD. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE NEED OF THOSE WITH INTELLECTUAL AND DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU ON THE SCREEN THERE THE NEEDS SHOWN IN PLANO. THIS IS GENERALLY TAKEN OUT OF THE AVERAGES REFLECTED FROM THE NATIONAL LEVEL BROUGHT DOWN TO OUR COMMUNITY. SO ESTIMATES INDICATE OVER 11,000 RESIDENTS ARE MEMBERS OF THAT COMMUNITY. AND DESPITE MANY ADVANCEMENTS IN INCLUSIVITY, SADLY ONLY OF PEOPLE WITH INTELLECTUAL AND DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES IN THE U.S. ARE ACTUALLY EMPLOYED TODAY. AND SO WHILE THERE ARE MANY EFFORTS TO ADVANCE THOSE IN THAT COMMUNITY, THERE ARE NO UNIFIED APPROACHES LIKE THE ONES THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED TO COUNCIL THIS EVENING. AND REALLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A UNIFIED APPROACH, WE WANT THAT DRIVEN BY NOT JUST ONE OR TWO MEMBERS BUT EXPERTS THAT REACH ACROSS MULTIPLE SECTORS, BUSINESS COMMUNITY, PUBLIC SERVICE AREAS, AS WELL AS FAMILIES IMPACTED. SO THIS PROGRAM THAT'S BEING BROUGHT BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT RLLY LOOKS AT GOING THROUGH A MULTIPLE-PHASE APPROACH REFLECTED ON THE SCREEN THERE FOR YOU. PHASE ONE IS ASSESSMENT OF THE CITY. IF YOU WANTED TO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS, AN ACCREDITATION PROCESS THAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS MIGHT GO THROUGH WOULD FOLLOW A SIMILAR MODEL. BUT THAT ASSESSMENT, THIS GROUP WOULD WORK WITH OUR CITY ON CLIENT ENGAGEMENT, NEEDS ASSESSMENT, STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT. WE MOVE ONTO THE PLANNING PROCESS ON BEST PRACTICES AND RESEARCH. ONE UNIQUE ELEMENT ABOUTHIS GRP I THEY' ASSEMBLED A STELLAR TEAM FROM ACROSS THE NATION WITH SPECIFIC FOCUS AREAS. PHASE THREE WOULD BE AN IMPLEMENTATION. THAT'S SUSTAINABILITY PLANNING AND MOVING FORWARD WITH WHATEVER RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN OUTLINED. AND FINALLY, THE EVALUATION CERTIFICATION. THE CITY WOULD WALK AWAY CERTIFIED AS A UNIFIED CITY, REFLECTING TO NOT JUST OUR COMMUNITY BUT ALSO THE STATE AND THE NATION THAT IS SERVING THOSE WITH INTELLECTUAL AND DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES IS A PRIORITY FOR OUR CITY. SO HERE IS REFLECTED SOME OF THE PROPOSED TIMELINES AND DATES OF THE SPECIFIC PHASES I'VE OUTLINED SO YOU GET AN IDEA OF THE SCOPE OF THE PROGRAM. IT REALLY LASTS FOR THREE YEARS, SO WE'D BE LOOKING AT A THREE-YEAR COMMITMENT SHOULD COUNCIL DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. THE COST BREAKDOWN IS SHOWN HERE. THE COHORT SIZE, THE IDEA BEHIND THIS IS THEY'RE NOT JUST REACHING ONE CITY BUT IT WOULD ENGAGE MULTIPLE CITIES PREFERABLY ACROSS THE NATION THAT WOULD BE TAKING ON THIS ENDEAVOR. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT COST SC FORWARD WITH MORE CITIES IN THIS EFFORT. SO TONIGHT WE'RE SEEKING DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL. IF YOU'D LIKE MORE INFORMATION, IF YOU'D LIKE STAFF TO PURSUE THIS. I WOULD ALSO NOTE THAT MICHAEL THOMAS HAS BEEN ENGAGED IN OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND JP MORGAN CHASE HAS MOVED FORWARD WITH ALLOWING US TO INDICATE THEIR SUPPORT OF THIS PROGRAM. SO ONE OF OUR MAJOR PARTNERS IN OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY HERE WOULD BE CONFIDENT THAT A LOT OF OUR OTHER BUSINESS PARTNERS WOULD MOVE FORWARD. WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS. AND MICHAEL THOMASS ALSON THE AUDIENCE. IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN EXPOUND ON, WE'D BE HAPPY TO. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, REAL QUICK, I WANTED TO MENTION WHEN MICHAEL THOMAS AND I BEGAN DISCUSSING THIS, THIS IS A CERTIFICATION THAT GOES ALONG WITH A LOT OF WHAT THE CITY OF PLANO STANDS FOR, WHICH IS MAKING SURE ALL OF OUR CITIZENS HAVE THE ABILITY TO FULLY ENGAGE IN THEIR COMMUNITY. THIS IS AN EVALUATION PROCESS, A CERTIFICATION PROCESS, AN ACCREDITATION PROCESS, IF YOU WILL, THAT IS ONE OF THOSE THAT THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS ACRS THE NATION. BUT MY RECMENDIONS IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO GO WITH FRIENDS. I WOULD LOVE THE CITY OF PLANO TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE THE FIRST CITY TO SIGN ON, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THEY HAVE THE CAVEAT THAT THERE'S OTHER CITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT IF THE COUNCIL CHOOSES TO MOVE FORWARD, THAT WE AUTHORIZE PARTICIPATION ONCE FIVE CITIES OR FOUR OTHER CITIES HAVE SIGNED ON SO THAT WE HAVE A KNOWN COST ASPECT FOR THE CITY OF PLANO BUT WE ALSO ENSURE THIS PROGRAM HAS THE CHANCE TO BE SUCCESSFUL NATIONWIDE. SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. >> Mayor Muns: THANKS. ANY QUESTIS FOR ANDREW OR IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH PURSUING THIS OPPORTUNITY? IS THAT OKAY, LISA? GO AHEAD. >> SO ANDREW, I WANT TO KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COHORT CITIES, ARE WE TRYING TO FIND CITIES THAT ARE SIMILAR IN SIZE THAN US OR ARE WE JUST TRYING TO FIND NEIGHBORING CITIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO US? >> NO, REALLY THE DREAM AND THE DISCUSSIONS HAVE REALLY CENTERED AROUND GETTING A CROSS-SECTION OF CITIES FROM ACROSS THE NATION. SO WHILE PLANO,E'RE THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE AND WE'RE HAPPY THAT WE HAVE MICHAEL THOMAS HERE AND THAT WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED, THE GOAL WOULD BE NOT JUST TO REACH REGIONALLY BUT TO REACH FURTHER THAN THAT. WE MAY START LOOKING IN TEXAS. SAN ANTONIO HAS BEEN DISCUSSED. SOMEOF THOSE OTHER CITIES. AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MARK, IF I MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT I BELIEVE THE SIZE, THE BIGGER THE CITY, THE BETTER, I THINK, IN A LOT OF WAYS. >> I THINK THIS REALLY BECOMES A GOAL THAT YOU WANT HIGH-PERFORMING CITIES THAT ACTUALLY HAVE PROGRAMS THAT MIR ARE GOING ON BECAUSE IN MANY CITIES, THEY DON'T HAVE MY POSSIBILITIES. THEY DON'T HAVE SOME OF THE PARTNERSHIPS THAT WE HAVE. SO THIS GIVES THE FAMILIES, THE INSTITUTIONS, AND THE INDIVIDUALS KNOWLEDGE FOR WHICH CITIES ARE ACTUALLY STEPPING UP AND ACTUALLY HAVING MEANINGFUL PROGRAMS THAT ACTUALLY HELP THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY. AND TO US, THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. SO IT WILL BE A NATIONAL PROGRAM. AND THERE WILL BE OTHER CITIES THAT WE LOOK AT AND WE COMPARE TO ON OTHER MEASURES THAT WILL LIKELY WANT TO BE PART OF THIS IN THE FUTURE. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. THANK YOU, ANDREW. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> Mayor Muns: NEXT ITEM, ITEM IV, IS CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDAS. ANY ITEM A COUNCILMEMBER WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE? >> I NEED TO WITHDRAW ITEM I. WE WILL BRING THAT BACK AT THE DECEMBER 11th MEETING. >> Mayor Muns: AND ITEM 5, COUNCIL ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDAS. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL TAKE A RECESS AND RETURN AT 7:00. >> Mayor Muns: I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IS RECONVENED INTO OPEN SESSION, THATLL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER AND COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, WHO WILL BE ON ZOOM. WE'LL BEGIN TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING WITH THE INVOCATION LED BY RABBI MICHAEL KUSHNICK WITH CONGREGATION ANSHAI TORAH, AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND TEXAS PLEDGE. PLEASE STAND. >> OUR GOD AND GOD OF OUR ANCESTORS, WE ASK YOUR BLESSING FOR OUR CITY, FOR ITS GOVERNMENT, FOR ALL OF ITS LEADERS AND ADVISORS. TEACH THEM INSIGHTS OF YOURTORAH THAT THEY MAY ADMINISTER ALL AFFAIRS FAIRLY, THAT PEACE, JUSTICE, AND FREEDOM MAY FOREVER ABIDE IN OUR MIDST. TODAY ISRAEL IS REELING FROM THE HORRIFIC AND BARBARIC ATTACK BY HAMAS TERRORISTS ON OCTOBER 7th. 1200 OF OUR JEWISH BROTHERS AND SISTERS OF ALL AGES WERE MURDERED AND 240 MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN WERE KIDNAPPED. WE ARE RELIEVED 50 HOSTAGES HAVE BE RELEASED IN THE PAST FEW DAYS. GOD OF MERCY AND COMPASSION, WE PRAY, WE PLEAD THAT YOU RETURN ALL THE PRECIOUS AND BELOVED PEOPLE, THE CAPTURED OF THE MISSING WHO HAVE CRUELLY BEEN TORN FROM THEIR HOMES BY HAMAS TERRORISTS. WE ARE HORRIFIED AT THE THOUGHT OF SUFFERINGS OF MISSING AND CAPTURED. WE PLEAD FOR YOU, SOURCE OF MERCY, BE AT THEIR SIDE, SUPPORT THEM, PROTECT THEM, AND QUICKLY BRING THEM BACK TO THE EMBRACE OF THEIR FAMILIES AND ALL WHO LOVE THEM. R JEWISH CITIZENS TODAY AND AROUND THE WORLD, INCLUDING THIS CITY, FEEL THREATENED, INCLUDING AN ATTACK JUST LAST WEEK AGAINST OUR SYNAGOGUE. GOD, PLEASE HELP US END ANTI-SEMITISM AND ENSURE THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE. WE ALSO PRAY TO END ISLAMOPHOBIA AND ENSURE THAT ALL OUR MUSLIM NEIGHBORS ARE SAFE AND SECURE. GOD, PLEASE HELP US TO END ALL THE FORMS OF HATRED AND BIGOTRY SO THAT WE CAN LIVE SIDE BY SIDE WITH NEIGHBORS TO BRING PEACE, ODNESS, AND HAPPINESS TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THE GREATER WORLD, AND LET US ALL SAY, AMEN. (PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE) (TEXAS PLEDGE) . >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. BE SEATED. SO TONIGHT THE SALVATION ARMY CHRISTS CAMPAIGN IS BEING RECOGNIZED FOR ITS ANNUAL RED KETTLE AND ANGEL TREES THAT PROVIDE HELP TO THE COUNTLESS CITIZENS IN NEED. I'D LIKE TO CALL FORWARD LIEUTENANT MARCUS BACA, OFFICER OF THE SALVATION ARMY OF PLANO AND MARY FREEMAN, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY RELATIONS FOR COLLIN COUNTY AND DENTON COUNTY FOR SALVATION ARMY OF NORTH TEXAS. WELCOME. IT'S MY HONOR TO READ A PROCLAMATION IREGARD TO THIS SALVATION ARMY RED KETTLE CHRISTMAS CAMPAIGN. WHEREAS THE SALVATION ARMY WAS FOUNDED IN GREAT BRITAIN IN 1865, IN TEXAS IN 1889, THE INTERNATIONAL MOVEMENT STARTED WITH FOUNDER WILLIAM BOOTH AND HIS WIFE KATHERINE TAKING THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST TO THE POOR, VULNERABLE AND DESTITUTE IN LONDON. THE RED KETTLE CHRISTMAS CAMPAIGN WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1891, COLCTS DONATIONS THAT STAY LOCAL AND PROVIDES ASSISTANCE, AS WELL AS CHRISTMAS GIFTS AND PROVISIONS DURING THE HOLIDAYS TO THOSE LACKING ADEQUATE RESOURCES. WHEREAS IN 2022, THE SALVATION ARMY CORPS RAISED OVER 89,000 IN PLANO AND NEARLY 102 MILLION NATIONWIDE. THIS YEAR THE PLANO LOCATION WILL SERVE 1,055 ANGELS AND HELP 335 FAMILIES BY PROVIDING GIFTS FOR THEIR CHILDREN OVER THE HOLIDAY SEASON. AND WHEREAS IN ADDITION TO HOLIDAY ASSISTANCE, THE PLANO LOCATION SERVES AS A WARMING STATION WHEN NEEDED, SERVES YOUTH AGES 5 THROUGH 14 WITH AFTER SCHOOL CARE, PROVIDS SUMMER DAY CAMP FOR ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL A LITTLE STUDENTS AND SERVE 120 FAMILIES EACH WEEK FROM THEIR FOOD PANTRY. I THEREFORE, JOHN MUNS, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PLANO DO HEREBY PROCLAIM NUMBER, NOVEMBER 27th, 2023, AS SALVATION ARMY RED KETTLE CHRISTMAS CAMPAIGN DAY IN PLANO. I DO THEREBY ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN ME AND THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IN SUPPORTING THIS ANNUAL CAMPAIGN SO THAT ALL OF OUR FAMILIES CAN EXPERIENCE A WONDERFUL AND MEMORABLE HOLIDAY SEASON IN THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU DO FOR PLANO. >> THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ]. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR MUNS. AS YOU GUYS KNOW, NEED KNOWS NO SEASON. NEED HAS NO SEASON, RIGHT? AND NOW MORE THAN EVER, THERE'S MANY FAMILIES IN NEED. AND THIS SEASON THERE'S GOING TO BE FAMILIES THAT HAVE TO MAKE THE HARD CHOICES. THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE CHOICES OF EITHER PRESENTS UNDER THE TREE OR FOOD ON THE TABLE. PRESENTS UNDER THE TREE OR HAVING THE LIGHTS TO STAY ON. SO WE'D LIKE TO THANK MAYOR MUNS AND THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL FOR JOINING THAT FIGHT AND TO AID THE CITIZENS OF PLANO IN NOT HAVING TO MAKE THAT HARD DECISION RIGHT? THEY'RE HELPING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE PRESENTS UNDER THE TREE, HELPING TO PROVIDE THAT MEAL ON THE TABLE. AND WE ALSO THANK ALL THE CITIZENS OF PLANO THAT GO PASS BY ONE OF OUR BELL RINGERS AND DROP A DOLLAR IN THE BUCKET. THAT DOLLAR THAT YOU'RE DROPPING IN THAT BUCKET IS CHANGING LIVES. AND WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> JUST SAY THANK YOU AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING ALL OF YOU OUT ON THE NEXT SATURDAYS OF DECEMBER 9th AND DECEMBER 16th. THEY WILL BE AT KROGER ON INDEPENDENCE, A WALMART ON INDEPENDENCE, AND SPREAD OUT ALSO AT A KROGER ON COIT ROAD. SO IF YOUE IN E AREA, COME SAY HELLO, OR YOU CAN GIVE A GIFT THROUGH THEIR VIRTUAL RED KETTLE. I HAVE THEIR QR CODES WITH ME. >> Mayor Muns: OH, WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'RE GOI TO MOVE COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST TO THE END AFTER ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. SO LET'S MOVE ONTO THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> THE CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTROVERSIAL. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION BY A COUNCIL MEMBER, THE CITY MANAGER OR ANYITIZEN. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS. >> MOTION TO APPROVE EXCEPT FOR ITEM I. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: MOTION PASSES 6-0. ITEM I, PLEASE? OR DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT? WE JUST PULLED IT. RIGHT OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ONO ITE FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. >> PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL, IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME, WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY AMEND THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. NONPUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING E EFFICIENCY, AND MAY INCLUDE A CUMULATIVE TIME LIMIT. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER REQUESTS ARE RECEIVED UNTIL THE CUMULATIVE TIME IS EXHAUSTED. ITEM NUMBER ONE. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO ADOPT YOUTH PROGRAM STANDARDS OF CARE FOR THE CITY OF PLANO; AND PROVIDING A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SUSIE HERGENRIDER, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLANO PARKS AND RECREATION OVER RECREATION HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OUR YOUTH STANDARDS OF CARE. SO SIMILAR TO PRIOR YEAR WHEN I WAS HERE, WE SERVED -- WE HAD ROUGHLY 260 CAMP PROGRAMS OFFERED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THIS PAST YEAR WITH CLOSE TO 5,000 INDIVIDUALS REGISTERING FOR THOSE CAMPS. ACCORDING TO THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND PROTECTIVE SERVICES WE ARE CONSIDERED A DAYCARE. THAT IS BECAUSE WE'RE SERVING SEVEN OR MORE CHILDREN AT A TIME, AGES 5 TO 13, WHO COME AT LEAST THREE DAYS A WEEK AND TWO HOURS PER DAY. HOWEVER, AS A MUNICIPAL PROGRAM, WE'RE EXEMPT FROM CHILDCARE LICENSING REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE DO NEED TO MEET THESE ITEMS LISTED HERE UNDER THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE. MUNICIPAL PROGRAM.SLY WE'RE A ALSO THAT OUR PARENTS UNDERSTAND THE PROGRAMS ARE NOT LICENSED, WHICH THEY DO UNDERSTAND THAT. WE MAKE THAT CLEAR. WE DO NOT ADVERTISE AS A CHILDCARE OPERATION. AND WE ADOPT THE STANDARDS OF CARE BY A GOVERNING BODY, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE THIS EVENING. AND THAT OUR STANDARDS OF CARE ARE PROVIDED TO THE PARENTS OF OUR PARTICIPANTS. AND THEN FINALLY, WITHIN THE STANDARDS OF CARE, THERE ARE MINIMUM STANDARDS LISTED WITH OUR ENFORCEMENT METHODS IDENTIFIED. THOSE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS THAT MUST BE INCLUDED IN THE STANDARDS OF CARE, WHICH I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A COPY OF IN YOUR PACKET INCLUDE STUDENT INSTRUCTURER RATIOS, MINIMUM EMPLOYEE QUALIFICATIONS, MINIMUM HEALTH AND SAFETY PROGRAMS FOR OUR CAMP PROGRAMS AND THEN THE WAYS IN WHICH WE MONITOR AND ENFORCE OUR STANDARDS OF CARE. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO REPORT THAT WE ARE COMPLIANT WITH EACH OF THE CRITERIA, THAT WE'VE JUST DISCUSSED. THESE STANDARDS OF CARE HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY THE PARK AND RECREATION PLANNING BOARD AND A. AND SO IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE OF OUR STANDARDS OF CARE AND ADOPT THEM BY ORDINANCE SO THAT WE CAN BE EXEMPT FROM CHILDCARE LICENSING REQUIREMENTS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? GO AHEAD >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT GREAT PRESENTATION SUSIE. HAVE WE HAD ANY INCIDENTS IN ANY OF OUR PROGRAMS WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, ADVERSE SITUATIONS INVOLVING A CHILD? >> ADVERSE? Ricciardell SO I GUESS SITUATIONS WHERE, YOU KNOW, -- ESSENTIALLY WHERE THINGS DIDN'T GO THE WAY WE WOULD HAVE HOPED FOR THEM TO GO, YOU KNOW THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT WITH THESE STANDARDS FROM A HEALTH OR ABUSE STANDARD? >> NO, WE HAVE NOT HAD NO ABUSE SITUATIONS. WE DO RELY ON THESE YOUTH STANDARDS OF CARE TO -- IN RESPONSE TO ANY CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE, BUT NONE OF THAT SOURCE HAVE WE ENCOUNTERED. >> Ricciardelli: WONDERFUL I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR STANDARDS ARE WORKING AND VEN'T HAD ANY INCIDENTS. THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT PRESENTATION AND INFORMATION, SUSIE. I APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> NO. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS? >> City Clerk: THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE COMMENTS TO COUNCIL. >> I MAKE A MOTION WE ADOPT THE YOUTH PROGRAMS STANDARD OF CARE. >> Ricciardelli: I'LL SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: WHO SECONDED THAT? >> Ricciardelli: I SECONDED. >> Mayor Muns: MY APOLOGIES. I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 6-0. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM? >> City Clerk: ITEM NUMBER TWO. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE AND REAUTHORIZE THE CITY OF PLANO POLICY STATEMENT FOR TAX ABATEMENT THEREBY ESTABLISHING CRITERIA FOR EVALUATING TAX ABATEMENT INCENTIVE APPLICATIONS; ESTABLISHING PROCEDURAL GUIDELINES AND CRITERIA GOVERNING TAX ABATEMENT AGREEMENTS; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. DOUG McDONALD, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT. HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CITY OF PLANO POLICY STATEMENT FOR TAX ABATEMENTS. CHAPTER 312 OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE ENABLES CITIES TO PARTICIPATE IN TAX ABATEMENTS. TO REMAIN ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE, CITIES HAVE TO REAUTHORIZEUIDENES AND CRITERIA TO GOVERN THE ABATEMENT AGREEMENTS BY RESOLUTION EVERY TWO YEARS. THE CURRENT POLICY WE HAVE TODAY WAS APPROVED AND AUTHORIZED DECEMBER 2021 AND WILL EXPIRE THIS YEAR, DECEMBER 7, 2023. BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT BODY CAN REAUTHORIZE, CHAPTER 312 DOES REQUIRE THE BODY TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ADOPTION AMENDMENT, REPEAL, OR RE, THO. SINCE 1987, CITY OF PLANO HAS PASSED 141 TAX ABATEMENT AGREEMENTS. CURRENTLY THE CITY HAS 15 ACTIVE, 6 THAT WILL EXPIRE THIS YEAR, DECEMBER 31st, 2023. THE LAST ABATEMENT WE APPROVED HERE IN THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED ON MARCH 21, 2016. THE POLICY STATEMENTS BEFORE YOU IN YOUR PACKETS ALIGNS WITH THE RECENTLY APPROVED POLICY STATEMENT FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES. THERE ARE NEW SECTIONS ADDED THIS YEAR, INCLUDING STATE ENABLING LEGISLATION, OUR GOALS WE'VE DEFINED AND POLICY STATEMENT FOR INCENTIVES. ELIGIBILITY, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ALIGNMENT, INFRASTRUCTURE ALIGNMEN ANALYSIS WE DO WITH ECONOMIC IMPACT REPORT AND AUTHORITY GRANTED TO CITY MANAGER. COUNCIL, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> Mayor Muns: THANKS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR DOUG? THANKS DOUG. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY SPEAKERS? >> City Clerk: THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> Mayor Muns: I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 6-0. NEXT ITEM? >> City Clerk: ITEM NUMBER THREE. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2023-006 TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NO. 2015-5-2, AS HERETOFORE AMENDED, GRANTING SPECIFIC USE PERMITS NO. 68 FOR PRIVATE CLUB AND NO. 7 FOR FOOD TRUCK PARK ON 0.8 ACRE OF LAND LOCATED 524 FEET NORTH OF PARK BOULEVARD AND 940 FEET EAST OF PRESTON ROAD IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, PRESENTLY ZONED RETAIL, DIRECTING A CHANGE ACCORDINGLY IN THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY; AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND EXECUTIVES. I'M CHRISTINA DAY, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. THIS ZONING CASE NUMBER 6 IS A REQUEST FOR TWO SPECIFIC USE PERMITS, ONE FOR A PRIVATE CLUB AND ONE FOR A FOOD TRUCK PARK. IT IS ON A SMALL PIECE OF LAND WITHIN A SHOPPING CENTER, SPECIFICALLY A LEASE SPACE WITHIN A SHOPPING CENTER. AND THE SITE IS ZONED RETAIL. YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP THE TWO NOTICE AREAS, 200 FEET AND 500 FEET THAT ARE REQUIRED UNDER OUR ORDINANCE. THE MAJORITY OF THE NOTICE WENT TO OWNERS WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTER, AS WELL AS THE MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. THIS IS AN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH SHOWING YOU THE LEASE SPACE OUTLINE, AS WELL AS A PORTION THAT IS CURRENTLY PARKING THAT WILL BE UTILIZED FOR FOOD TRUCKS. THE AREA -- THIS IS A REVISED SITE PLAN ON THE LOT THAT THE LEASE SPACE IS A PART OF, AND THE SURROUNDING LAND USES, AGAIN, MULTI-FAMILY TO THE NORTH AND SHOPPING CENTERURROUNDING. TO THE EAST, SOUTH, AND WEST. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SPECIFIC USE PERMITS ALSO EXISTING WITHIN THIS AREA, WHICH I WILL DETAIL LATER. REGARDING CONFORMANCE TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THIS AREA AT PARK AND PRESTON IS A SUBURBAN ACTIVITY CENTER ON FUTURE LAND USE MAP. YOU CAN SEE THE VERY SMALL RED AREA OUTLINED THAT DEMONSTRATES THE AREA OF THE REQUEST. VERY LITTLE PORTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY MMARY APPLYHERE, BUT THE DESCRIPTION AND PRIORITIES DO MEET, AND THE REVITALIZATION OF RETAIL SHOPPING POLICY ALSO MEETS THIS STANDARD. THE EXISTING PRIVATE CLUB SUPs THAT APPLY HERE, YOU CAN SEE THE REQUEST SORT OF IN THE CENTER. THE LARGEST PIECE. THERE ARE FOUR OTHER SUPs THAT EXIST WITHIN THE SHOPPING CENTER, THOUGH NONE OF THOSE ARE CURRENTLY IN USE AS A PRIVATE CLUB. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THOSE SPACES, THE ONES SOUTH OF THE REQUEST ARE CURRENTLY USED AS RESTAURANT SPACES. THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY ACTIVE WITH A PRIVATE CLUB PERMIT THROUGH THE TABC. SO ANOTHER UNIQUE THING HERE IS PARKING. WE'VE WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE PARKING. THE LOT ITSELF NEEDS 47 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES BASED ON THE CHANGE IN USE THAT WILL BE PROVIDED THROUGH A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT WITH LOT ONE TO THE WEST, AND THAT LOT CURRENTLY HAS EXCESS PARKING TO THE TUNE OF 97 SPACES. SO THAT WILL BE PROVIDED THROUGH A REVISION TO THAT SITE PLAN. AND IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE SITE PLAN FOR THIS LOT. REGARDING RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY STANDARDS, THEY DO APPLY TO THE FOOD TRUCK PARK USE. AND THE MINIMUM SETBACK IS 150 FEET FROM A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT BOUNDARY LINE, WHICH DOES APPLY IMMEDIATELY NORTH ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE. SO WE'VE PROVIDED A GRAPHIC HERE, WHICH SHOWS YOU A DISTANCE OF 250 FEET BECAUSE THAT IS THE RESTRICTION THAT IS PROPOSED AND IS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, A 250-FOOT SETBACK, BASED ON THE PROPOSED AREA OF FOOD TRUCK PARK. THE PARKING AND THE OUTSIDE DINING AREA. THE REST OF THE PRIVATE CLUB AREA IS INTERNAL TO THE BUILDING. SO THAT IS A RESTRICTION THAT IS PROPED ADDITIONALLY TO ENSURE THE FOOD TRUCKS STAY IN THIS AREA, A 50-FOOT SETBACK IS PROPOSED FROM THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE. SO WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK FROM PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE 200-FOOT BOUNDARY. AND CITYWIDE, WE DID RECEIVE TEN TOTAL RESPONSES ON THIS CASE. THREE IN OPPOSITION AND SEVEN IN SUPPORT. AND THOSE ARE MAPPED ON THE GRAPHIC THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU. SO AGAIN, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APP pAPPROVAL OF BOTH SUPs BY 8 . THE FOOD TRUCK IS RECOMMENDED FOR RESTRICTION NOTED ON THE SCREEN, AGAIN, A SETBACK, MINIMUM OF 250 FEET FROM THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT TO THE NTH AND A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET FROM THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE. WITH THAT, I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THIS CASE. AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANKS, CHRISTINA >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE TOMMY MANN, THE APPLICANT. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. TOMMY MANN, 0 WINSTEAD BUILDING. I'M REPRESENTING EDEN'S. I WANT TO GIVE YOU BACKGROUND ON THE CENTER AS A WHOLE AND WHAT IS DRIVING TO GET THIS IN PLACE AND GIVE YOU A SENSE OF THE PLANNED USE IN SOME OF THEIR OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS. EDENS IS A LONG-TERM OWNER IN REAL ESTATE. THE CURRENT PARTNERSHIP HAS OWNED IT SINCE ABOUT 2007. MICHAEL HAIL IS WITH ME AND IS A GREASOURCE OF INFORMATION IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT. THEY OWN 50 ACRES HERE. THE PARKING AGREEMENT WE HAVE TO ENTER INTO IS WITH OURSELVES. THEY OWN STUDIO MOVIE GRILL AROUND TO REI, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF McDONALD AND HE IS ACAPITAL PARCELS. IN ALL THEIR TIME MANAGING THIS CENTER, THEY'VE EXPERIENCED THE THINGS YOU'VE READ ABOUT. THE NATURE OF RETAIL HAS CHANGED CONSIDERABLY, AND THE MOVE NOW IS TO FIND WAYS TO MAKE THE EXPERIENCE HERE ONE THAT WILL GET YOU OFF YOUR PHONE, OFF YOUR COUCH, FROM HAVING IT DELIVERED ON YOUR PORCH TO A PLACE YOU WANT TO BE FOR A WHILE. WE HAVE TRADITIONAL SOFT GOODS, GROCERY, THOSE SORTS OF TENANTS THAT WE DO HAVE, AS WELL AS DESTINATION TENANTS, A PLACE TO MEET FRIENDS FOR A DRINK AFTER WORK OR FOR DINNER OR FOR A MOVIE. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL TO CREATE A BIGGER DRAW AND THE INTENTION IS TO BENEFIT ALL THE TANTS IN THE CENTER. IN FACT, MANY OF THEM HAVE TO GIVE CONSENT BEFORE WE COULD EVEN PROCEED WITH THIS LEASE. OUR DIRECTOR HAS HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE CEO OF STUDIO GRILL FOR INSTANCE AND THEY'RE EXCITED BECAUSE THEIR SITE HAS STRUGGLED AND THEY'D LIKE TO SEE LIFE INJECTED INTO THE CENTER. THIS PARTICULAR BOX WAS ORIGINALLY A TARGET, AN ANTIQUE MALL, A GOLD'S GYM. IT'S INDICATIVE OF WHAT YOU SEE UPON THE PARK FRONTAGE. IT STRUGGLES MORTHAN THE PRESTON ONTAGE. TH PARTICULAR PIECE IS TOUGH FOR TRADITIONAL RETAIL. WE HAVE A COUPLE SMALL TENANTS IN THERE NOW. WE'RE NOT LOSING THEM. WE HAVE OTHER SPACES FOR THEM IN THE CENTER. WE THINK THIS IS AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS PIECE. WITH RESPECT TO KIRBY, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE TWO SUPs ARE REQUIRED BUT THIS IS ONE TENANT AND ONE CONCEPT. KIRBY INCLUDES FOOD TRUCKS AS PART OF THE PERMANENT OPERATION FOR PART OF THE FOOD SERVICE. THIS LOCATION WILL ALSO HAVE A PERMANENT KITCH WITHIN THE INTERIOR SPACE. THE FOOD TRUCKS WILL PROBABLY ONLY CHANGE OUT EVERY FEW WEEKS AT MOST. THEY WON'T BE DIFFERENT EVERY DAY IN THE SENSE A FOOD TRUCK IN A PARK MIGHT CHANGE EVERY DAY. IT IS ONE INTEGRATED CONCEPT. THEY ARE NOT TWO SEPARATE TENANTS. KIRBY'S CONCEPT IS A RELAXED ADULT ATMOSPHERE FOR FOOD AND DRINK, HAPPY HOURS, CORPORATE EVENTS, DOG FRIENDLY. IT IS NOT AN EVENT VENUE. WE DON'T HAVE A STAGE, WE DON'T HAVE A DANCE FLOOR, W DON'T PROGRAM BANDS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IF YOU HAVE A CORPORATE EVENT AND WANT TO HAVE A SINGER/SONGWRITER IN THE CORNER, THAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED. IT'S REALLY A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO CONVENE AND ENJOY EACH OTHER'S COMPANY. THIS IS ONE LOCATED IN HOUSTON. IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THE FIRST HERE. YOU CAN SEE THE INDOOR VIBE, OUTSIDE BEAN BAG TOSS AND HOW THE FOOD TRUCKS CONTRUT TO EMBIENCE AND WHAT TY'RE GOING FOR. IN PLANO, OF COURSE, A RESTAURANT ISN'T ALLOWED USE OBVIOUSLY IN A SHOPPING CENTER, BUT IF ALCOHOL SALES EXCEED 50%, YOU RUN THE RISK AS BEING A CLUB. IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT THE ALCOHOL SALES HERE WILL NOT EXCEED THAT AMOUNT. CERTAINLY NOT EVERY MONTH AND NOT EVERY WEEK, BUT THEY KNOW FROM THE OPERATIONS IN HOUSTON, IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE AND NEED THIS APPROVAL TO BE ABLE TO PROCEED UNDER THE TERMS OF THE LEASE. THIS IS THE SPECIFIC LAYOUT TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF HOW IT WILL WORK. THE FOOD TRUCKS ARE IN THE GREEN AREA IN THE CENTER, A PLACE FOR TWO OF THEM. THEY'LL BE RIGHT OFF THE SORT OF OUTDOOR PORTION OF THE USE, PARTIALLY COVERED, PARTIALLY OPEN AIR. THEN THE BULK OF THE BUILDING BACK IN BLUE IS INDOOR, AND IT WILL BE DEMISED KIND OF RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE. THE LEFT HAND WILL BE BACK OF HOUSE AND UTILITY AREAS AND THAT SORT OF STUFF. THE BATHROOMS COME AT THE VERY NORTHERN BACK THERE. IT ALL OPERATES AS ONE USE WITH THE FRONT DOOR YOUAN KINDF SEE THERE ON THE SOUTHERN END. SO THERE WERE QUESTIONS AT P&Z AND GOOD QUESTIONS. IT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING. WE ADMIT THAT. BUT HOPEFULLY IT HELPS ONE OF YOUR P&Z MEMBERS GOES TO WHEN HE'S THERE. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER MORE, AND ONCE WE ADEQUATELY DO THAT, WE WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOU FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF P&Z AND CITY STAFF. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: LET'S THE SPEAKERS AND COME BACK FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> THE FIRST SPEAKER IS PAUL KNOWLTON. >> I'M PAUL KNOWLTON, I LIVE AT 5815 GILLHAM DRIVE IN PLANO. AND NE TO BE HERE TOGHT. I'VE LIVED IN PLANO SINCE 1998, WITH MY WIFE AND KIDS. IT'S BEEN A WONDERFUL CITY. IT'S BEEN A PLACE OF JUST GREAT FAMILY. IT'S BEEN WELL PLANNED OUT, GREAT LEADERS. AND I WAS JUST -- WHEN THIS CAME UP THE OTHER DAY, I WAS LIKE GOING, YOU KNOW, PARK AND PRESTON IS A -- ALMOST AN ICONIC LOCATION. AND I STARTED THINKING, WHY WOULD WE WANT TO PUT IN A BASICALLY 23,000-SQUARE-FOOT BAR WIT 6,000 SQUARE FEET OF COVERED PATIO AND THEN ANOTHER 1,700 FEET OF -- I GUESS YOU'D CALL IT FAKE GRASS -- IN THAT CENTER, THAT CLOSE BACKING UP TO APARTMENTS WHERE IF YOU HAVE A BUSINESS, THAT IS GOING TO BE -- AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE HRS ARE. I WAS TOLD -- THIS COULD BE WRONG, 2:00 P.M. UNTIL 2:00 A.M. I JUST DIDN'T GET A GOOD FEEL FOR IT. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE RIGHT FIT FOR THE AREA. AND I THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD CONCEPT THAT THEY HAVE. BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT BELONGS TO BE RIGHT IN PRESTON AND PARK. AND I WORRY ABOUT THINGS, I WORRY ABOUT PARKING, WORRY ABOUT TRAFFIC, WORRY ABOUT ISE. AND MAYBE THEY'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, SOME PRETTY GOOD ANSWERS ON THOSE. BUT I WORRY ABOUT NOISE JUST IF I LIVED IN THOSE APARTMENTS BACK THERE, THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM TO ME. SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, FROM A LOCATION STANDPOINT, PLANO HAS BEEN A GREAT FAMILY CITY. AND I JUST SOMETIMES YOU KIND OF THINK YOU DON'T WANT SOMETHING THAT COULD GET OUT OF CONTROL KIND OF BEING LIKE A -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD DESCRIBE IT, MAYBE A BIRON NELN PAVILION ATMOSPHERE AT PRESTON AND PARK. PRESTON AND PARK, AGAIN, IS AN ICONIC LOCATION FOR THE CITY. I JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT'S RIGHT GO IN THERE. AND SO I JUST FEEL I NEEDED TO VOICE MY OPINION TONIGHT ON IT. AND APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LISTENING TO ME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. >> City Clerk: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS BUDDY KRAMER. >> MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I AM THE MANAGING PARTNER AND OWNER OF THE KD TRAIL LIGHTHOUSE OUT POST IN PLANO. AND WE LOVE PLANO. WE'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 2013. AND WE'RE -- IN FACT, WE LOVE IT SO MUCH, WE'RE EXPANDING. AND WE'RE DOUBLING THE SIZE OF WHAT WE DO. WE'RE BRINGING IN ABOUT $700,000 WORTH OF TREES. WE'RE EXPANDING OUR KITCHEN. WE'RE SPENDING $4.5 MILLION. AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO KIND OF SAY ABOUT THAT IS THAT WE'VE PATTERNED OUR BUSINESS AROUND THE RULES THAT WERE PUT IN FRONT OF US IN PLANO. AND THAT WAS WE COMPLY WITH A MB CERTIFICATE WITH TABC WITH FOOD AND BEVERAGE CERTIFICATE ATTACHED. UNFORTUNATELY, I KNOW ME AUT THIS THAN WHAT -- THERE'S NO 50/50 ANYMORE. THE STATE LEGISLATURE CHANGED THAT RULE TO 60/40. SO YOU HAVE TO GAIN AT LEAST 40% OF YOUR REVENUES WITH AN FB CERTIFICATE FROM NONALCOHOL ITEMS. OUR WHOLE BUSINESS WAS PATTERNED AROUND THAT. IT WAS KIND OF DIFFICULT BECAUSE IN UPTOWN, WE INITIALLY STARTED WITH SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF 20%, WHICH ACTUALLY HAS GROWN TO 35% OF FOOD ITEMS. IN PLANO, WE'RE PRETTY CONSISTENTLY 42% TO 43% FOOD. AND THAT COMPLIES WITH THE TABC CERTIFICATE. AND THE RULES ARE, FOR US -- AND THEY'RE VERY STRICT. EVERY TIME WE COME UP FOR RENEWAL OF OUR LICENSE, WE SUBMIT REPORTS EVERY MONTH TO THE CONTROLLER THAT SHOWS WHAT OUR LIQUOR AND OTHER SALES ARE. AT THE END OF TWO YEARS WHEN THE LIQUOR LICENSE COMES , IF WE DON'T MEET THAT, THEY THREATEN TO TAKE YOUR LICENSE. THEY WILL COME TO YOU, COME UP WITH A LITTLE PLAN. YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE SATISFIED, THEY'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE LEEWAY ON A COUPLE MONTHS. BUT IT'S HARSH. AND WE HAD TO DO OUR BUSINESS THAT WAY. AND THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT WAS ALWAYS PUT TO US OUT THERE. WE SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THE KITCHEN. I'M SPENDING A MILLION DOLLARS JUST ON THE KITCHEN TO UPGRADE IT. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO JUST HAVE A BUSINESS COME IN AND SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IN A KITCHEN. WE'RE GOING TO RELY ON FOOD TRUCKS. AND IF YOU GO THROUGH IT, THE MOST SUCCESSFUL FOOD TRUCKS IN THE NATION DO $500,000 A YEAR. OKAY? THEY'RE GOING TO DO THREE FOOD TRUCKS. SO LET'S SAY 1.5 MILLION. YOU JUST DO THE MATH. THE MOST THEY'D BE ALLOWED TO SELL ALCOHOL IS 2.8 -- AM I DONE? 2.8ILLION A YEAR AND YOU CANNOT PAY RENT ON A 30,000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE FOR THAT. ISERY DISINGENUOUS. ANY RESTAURANT PERSON THAT LOOKS AT THIS, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THEY COMPLY WITH THE 35%. THERE'S NO REPORTING MECHANISM IN THE CITY OF PLANO. THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM IN THE CITY OF PLANO. IT'S JUST A STATEMENT. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. APPRECIATE IT, THANK YOU. >> City Clerk: STEVE CHURCH. >> GOOD EVENING. STEVE CHURCH, 5920 CASTLE BAR LANE PLANO 75093. FOR THE RECORD, I LIKE RESTAURANTS AND BARS. AND GOD KNOWS I'VE SPENT ENOUGH MONEY AND TIME IN THEM OVER THE DECADES. KIND OF LIKE TO HAVE SOME OF THAT BACK. BUT WHEN I STARTED HEARING TALK OF A BAR -- AND IT'S BAR AND CANOPY, THAT'S OVER 28,000 FEET, THAT KIND OF CAUGHT MY ATTENTION BECAUSE THAT SOUNDS MORE LIKE A CONCERT HALL OR AN ARENA THAN JUST A BAR. I MEAN HECK, THE BALLROOM DOWN AT GILLY'S IS SMALLER THAN THAT, AND THAT PLACE IS HUGE. SO WHAT DOG DO I HAVE IN THE FIGHT? SO I'M THE OLD PARENT. I HAD MY FIRST CHILD AT 52, A SON. HE'S NOW 15 AT SHEPTON HIGH SCHOOL AND PLAYS FOOTBALL FOR PLANO WEST. MY SON'S HOME AWAY FROM HOME IS COWBOY FIT. IT'S NOT JUST HIM. IT'S ALL THESE BOYS AND SOME GIRLS. BUT ALL THESE BOYS FROM JASPER, SHEPTON, AND PLANO WEST SENIOR, THEY JUST LIVE AT COWBOY FIT. I'M TAKING THEM THERE, DROPPING THEM OFF AND PICKING THEM UP. RECENTLY I DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE AS MUCH BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE STARTING TO GET THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSES. AND MY SON GOES FOR HIS LICENSE IN FEBRUARY. SO THE PLAN, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS WE'RE GOING TO MIX A BUNCH OF YOUNG, INEXPERIENCED DRIVERS, WITH A BAR THAT'S BIGGER THAN THE BALLROOM AT GILLY'S. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF TROUBLE TO ME. YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPT IS INTERESTING. IT KIND OF REMINDS ME OF THE TRUCK STOP IN THE COLONY. BUT THAT'S BUILT ON A REMOTE COMMERCIAL LOCATION. IT'S NOT LOCATED NEXT DOOR TO A DESTINATION THAT'S FREQUENTED BY LOTS AND LOTS OF TEENAGERS. SO I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT CONCERN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> City Clerk: JOSHUA NAGGER. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILMEN. 1324 KITTY DRIVE, JOSHUANAGG. RECENTLY JUST MARRIED OVER A YEAR NOW. WE MOVED FROM DALLAS PROPER TO PLANO, QUIETER AREA, FAMILY FRIENDLY, HAVE KIDS EVENTUALLY HOPEFULLY IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO, GOD WILLING. WE CAME FROM THE AREA WHERE THERE WAS A TRUCK YARD JUST RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD FROM US. WE KNOW THAT FOOD TRUCKS PROBABLY WILL NOT -- THERE'S ALWAYS AN AFTERTHOUGHT TO BEING AT THAT TYPE OF LOCATION. NOT YOUR PRIMARY GOAL TO SAY, LET'S TRY OUT THE FOOD TRUCKS. IT'S MORE LIKE, OH, I'VE HAD A FEW TOO MANY DRINKS, I BETTER GET SOMETHING IN MY SYSTEM BEFORE I DRIVE HOME. I AM LESS THAN A MILE AWAY FROM THIS LOCATION. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT DOES PROMOTE SOME KIND OF FEAR WITH ALCOHOL ON THE ROAD AND EVERYTHING ELSE. EVERYONE HAS DONE A GOOD JOB TRYING TO MITIGATE SOME OF THAT STUFF. BUT THAT IS DEFINITELY ONE THING THAT KIND OF SCARES ME ABOUT STARTING A NEW FAMILY IN THIS CITY, SOMETHING THAT CLOSE TO MY HOME AND JUST CAUSES SOME KIND OF CONCERN. AND THAT WAS JUST ONE ITEM I WANTED TO BRING UP TO YOU GUYS FOR THIS. THANK Y'ALL FOR Y'ALL'S TIME. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> City Clerk: DWAYNE CARTER. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. HOW ARE Y'ALL? I HAVE A FEW NOTES, SO I JUST MAKE SURE I DON'T FORGET ANYTHING. SO I'M A CONCERNED CITIZEN. I LIVEITERALLYHE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS LOCATION. SO IT'S VERY CLOSE TO WHERE I LIVE. THE WHOLE THING OF TRAFFIC, THAT PARKING LOT IS ALREADY PRETTY BAD AS IT IS. TO ADD FOOD TRUCKS AND ANOTHER LOCATION TO SOMETHING OF THAT EXTENT, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW BAD THAT COULD REALLY BE. I'VE BEEN IN PLANO FOR 13 YEARS, CAME FROM CARROLLTON. I DIDN'T GO FAR. WENT FROM A GOOD CITY TO A BETTER CITY, WHICH IS GREAT. WE JUST PRIDE OURSELVES ON OUR . WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON OUR LOCATION, THAT'S WHY WE MOVED TO WEST PLANO. WEST PLANO IS WHERE WE LOVE TO BE. AND THERE'S ALREADY THE CONGESTION AT PARK AND PRESTON IS SO BAD AS IT IS. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE ADD SOMETHING OF THIS EXTENT TO OUR LOCATION. WE LOVE BEING IN PLANO. WE LOVE THE AREA WHERE WE'RE AT. WE LOVE THE LOCATIONS OF EVERYTHING AROUND. WE GO TO MANY PLACES AROUND THE AREA, ME AND MY GIRL DO. IT'S JUST THIS LOCATION JUST SEEMS LIKE A REALLY BAD THOUGHT PROCESS THAT COULD HAPPEN WITH FOOD TRUCKS. I'VE BEEN TO THE TRUCK YARD. I HAVE BEEN UP IN THE COLONY AS WELL. I'M A FOODIE GUY. YOU CAN TELL BY THIS LOVELY PHYSIQUE, I DO EAT MY FOOD. I JUST THINK THIS IS A BAD LOCATION FOR WHAT WE'RE KNOWN FOR IN PLANO IS A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO JUST DRAW THE WRONG ATTENTION TO THE WRONG AREA. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY TONIGHT. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> City Clerk: THE LAST SPEAKER IS JOE CLINGLE. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. MY NAME IS JOE CLINGLE, AND I HAVE LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR THE LAST 18 YEARS. I'M LESS THAN A MILE FROM THIS LO AGAINST GROWTH, AND IT IS NOT MY INTENTION TO INHIBIT BUSINESSES LOOKING TO EXPAND. THE ISSUE FOR ME IS LOCATION AND THE AREA BEING PROPOSED IS AN EXTREMELY HIGH-TRAFFIC AREA WITH GENEROUS AMOUNTS OF CONSTRUCTION ALREADY OCCURRING, INCLUDING ON NEARBY ROADS, BRINGING IN MORE OF THAT DOES NOT SEEM IDEAL. THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD MADE UP OF FAMILIES, NOT A COLLEGE TOWN. INUNDATING IT WITH BARS AND HAVING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT FROM OTHER AREAS, FURTHER CONGESTING IT, MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST IDEAS FOR THE SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS IN THE VERY NEARBY HOUSING. THE CONCERN HERE IS PROXIMITY. YES, WE DO HAVE OTHER BARS, INCLUDING BASICALLY THE SAME ONE BEING PROPOSED ALREADY IN EXISTENCE, BUT THOSE ARE MOSTLY RESTAURANTS AND HAVE SOME SORT OF SEPARATION FROM THE AREAS WALKED BY PATRONS OF NEARBY STORES. WE ARE NOT THE COLONY. WE ARE VENUES, RESTAURANTS, SHOPPING AREAS AWAY FROM HOUSING. WE HAVE ALL OF THAT AT ONE LOCATION AT PARK AND PRESN. THE DIFFERENCE IS A LARGE UNDERTAKING NEAR HOUSING AND OTHER BUSINESSES THAT COULD BE AFFECTED AND THREATENED AND THIS WOULD BE IN A SHOPPING AREA WITH A LOT OF TRAFFIC FOR FAMILIES, WHETHER IT BE TO OR FROM THE PET STORE, THE FITNESS AND YOGA CLUBS, GROCERY STORES, CLOTHING STORES. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT WOULD BE PRIVATELY FUNDED BUT WOULD IMPACT THE AREA THAT WOULD LIKELY BE PUBLICLY FUNDED. I'M NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE, I'M OFFERING MY INION. I THINK SOME THINGS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN OVERLOOKED SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN PROPER CONSIDERATION OF AN AMBITIOUS PROJECT THAT COULD HAVE LONG-TERM NEGATIVE EFFECTS. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. COUNCILMEMBER RICCIARDELLI, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A QUESTION. >> Ricciardelli: YES, MAYOR, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, I DID HAVE A QUESTION. COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ACTUALLY FOR THE APPLICANT. SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THIS ISSUE ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE OF REVENUE FROM ALCOHOL SALES VERSUS OTHER SOURCES OF REVENUE. FOR THE EXISTING LOCATION, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE REVENUE BREAKDOWN TYPICALLY IS BETWEEN ALCOHOL SALES AND OTHER SALES? >> I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT BREAKDOWN AT ALL THREE LOCATIONS, BUT IT CERTAINLY CAN EXCEED THIS PERCENTAGE. NOW, ONE KEY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE LOCATIONS AND THIS ONE AND ONE OF THE SPEAKERS HAD INCORRECT, WE'RE NOT JUST PROPOSING THE FOOD TRUCKS. WE ALSO WILLAVE A PERMANENT KITCHEN ON THE INTERIOR OF THE FACILITY. WE KNOW THE FOOD SALES WILL BE HIGHER, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WILL GO OVER THE THRESHOLD, HENCE THE REQUEST. >> Ricciardelli: GOTCHA. AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT BASED ON PLANO CITY ORDINANCE, EVEN WITH THE PRIVATE CLUB SUP, KIRBY ICE HOUSE WOULD STILL HAVE TO HIT 35% NONALCOHOL SALES AS A PERCENTAGE OF REVENUE AND WITH -- YOU KNOW, WE HEARD FROM THE OWNER OF KATIE TRAIL ICE HOUSE. I BELIEVE THE ZONING THEY HAVE WITH A MIXED BEVERAGE PERMIT, THEY HAVE TO HIT 40%, AS HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, OF NONALCOHOL SALES AS A PERCENTAGE OF REVENUE. IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING AS WELL THAT ESSENTIALLY THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE ZONING THEY HAVE AND THE ZONING REQUESTED HERE WOULD BE JUST TO LOWER THE PERCENTAGE OF NONALCOHOL REVENUE THAT'S REQUIRED FROM 40% TO 35%? >> I'M GOING TO TRUST THAT HE KNOWS MORE ABOUT TABC REGULATIONS THAN I DO AND FROM THE NATURE OF YOUR QUESTION, YOU APPEAR TO AS WELL. [ LAUGHTER ] YES, JUST LEARNING. >> Ricciardelli: OKAY. AND SO I GUESS WHAT I WANTED TO ASK THEN, DOES KIRBY ICE HOUSE VIEW HAVING TO HAVE 40% REVENUE FROM NONALCOHOL SALES AS A PROBLEM OR WOULD THE -- YOU KNOW, WOULD THE ZONING -- THE SAME ZONING THAT KATIE TRAIL ICE HOUSE HAS WITH THE MIXED BEVERAGE PERMIT THAT WILL ALLOW I GUESS UP TO 60% REVENUE FROM ALCOHOL SALES, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE ZONING FOR THE KIRBY ICE HOUSE? >> SO WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY CHANGING THE ZONING IN THIS PROPERTY RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT THAT -- THERE'S TWO USES IN THIS ZONING ORDINANCE TODAY. THERE'S A RESTAURANT, WHICH REQUIRES FOOD AND BEVERAGE, MINIMUM 50% AND THEN THERE'S A PRIVATE CLUB WHICH TAKES IT, YOU KNOW, FOOD SALES DOWN FROM 50 TO 35. AND WE DO BELIEVE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 50 AND 35 IS POTENTIALLY MEANINGFUL AND IT'S NOT A VENTURE THAT KIRBY IS WILLING TO UNDERTAKE WITHOUT THE ALITY BECAUSE THEY, TOO, ARE LKING TO INVEST MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND ARE NOT A SPECULATIVE OPERATOR, THEY HAVE THREE EXISTING FACILITIES IN HOUSTON. THEY'RE A PROVEN OPERATOR AND HAVE GOOD DATA TO BACK UP WHY THEY'RE APPROACHING IT THE WAY THEY ARE >> Ricciardelli: AND THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE THREE EXISTING LOCATIONS. DO THOSE ALSO HAVE PRIVATE CLUB ZONING? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANALOGOUS ZONING IN THE OTHER CITIES >> HOUSTON HAS NO ZONING. ONE IS IN THE WOODLANDS. DO THEY HAVE ZONING IN THE WOODLANDS? THEY'RE JUST SUBJECT TO THE TABC REGULATIONS DOWN THERE >> Ricciardelli: I SEE. GOTCHA. THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. I APPRECIATE IT. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER HORNE? >> Horne: THANK YOU. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IS AN ISSUE -- I NOTICED YOUR OPERATIONS ARE SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. IT WAS FROM 2:00 IN THE AFTERNOON TO 2:00 IN THE MORNING. AND THEN ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY IT WAS FROM 11:00 A.M. TO 2:00 IN THE MORNING. I'M THINKING BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION AND WHERE IT IS WITH THE APARTMENTSO THE NORTH AND THEN, OF COURSE, HOUSING ALMOST ACROSS THE STREET -- WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IMMEDIATE, BUT IT IS OUTSIDE THE 250-FOOT RANGE. THE HOURS OF CLOSING EVERY NIGHT AT 2:00, THAT SEEMS FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA, IT'S NOT LOWER GREENVILLE AVENUE. IT IS PRESTON AND PARK. AND I DON'T THINK MANY OF THE OTHER RESTAURANTS AROUND THERE ARE OPEN TILL 2:00. SO WOULD THE OWNER BE AMEBLE TO CLOSING AT MIDNIGHT? BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING FROM OUR CITIZENS HERE IS THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT DRUNK DRIVING. THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT BASICALLY THE HOURS OF OPERATIONS AFTER MIDNIGHT BECAUSE IT IS AN APARTMENT, OF COURSE, TO THE NORTH. SO I'M WONDERING, WOULD HE BE AMENABLE TO LOOKING TO CLOSING AT MIDNIGHT SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY? JUST A THOUGHT THERE >> LET ME DO MY BEST, FIRST OF ALL, AND I MAY HAVE TO CONSULT WITH MY CLIENT IN THE AUDIENCE. I CAN PRETTY CONFIDENTLY TELL YOU ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY THAT THE 2:00 A.M. IS MORE IMPORTANT. DURING THE WEEK, I DON'T KNOW. AND AT LEAST ACCORDING TO KATIE TRAIL'S WEBSITE, THEY'RE OPEN UNTIL 2:00 A.M. ACROSS THE STREET. BUT THEY ARE OPEN AT LUNCH DURING THE WEEK AS WELL, WHICH WE WOULD NOT BE DURING THE WEEK. WHICH IS HOPEFULLY SOME COMFORT TO KNOW THERE WOULDN'T BE COMPENSATION FOR THE LUNCH CROWD DURING THE WEEK. YEAH, THE 2:00 A.M. IS HOW TY OPERATE ALLHEIR ESTING LOCATIONS. >> Mayor Muns: MAYOR PRO TEM? >> Prince: CAN YOU CLARIFY WITH YOUR EXISTING LOCATIONS? I THINK YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE TABC PERMITS. ARE THEY THE MIXED BEVERAGE PERMITS OR ARE THEY THE PRIVATE CLUB PERMITS? >> IN HOUSTON, I BELIEVE THEY JUST GOT THE MIXED BEVERAGE PERMITS BECAUSE, AGAIN, THEY DON'T HAVE ZONING. WHAT FORCES THE PRIVATE CLUB REQUIREMENT HERE IS YOUR ZONING REGULATIONS. YOU DON'T EVEN ALLOW A TRUE MIXED BEVERAGE BAR USE, ONLY A PRIVATE CLUB WITH AN SUP. SO THEY CAN SELL EVEN MORE ALCOHOL IN THE HOUSTON LOCATIONS THAN THEY CAN HERE. >> Prince: MY UNDERSTANDING IS TABC HAS A PRIVATE CLUB -- >> CORRECT. >> Prince: CLUB LICENSE. IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE PRIVATE CLUB WE HAVE AT LOCAL, IS THAT CORRECT? >> I THINK YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE DEFERS TO THE TABC's REGULATION OF THE PRIVATE CLUB. >> I THINK SAY ENOUGH FOOD FOR THE MEMBERSHIP AND OURS IS 35%. >> PAIGE KNOWS BETTER THAN I DO. WE'RE NOT CREATING A NEW USE. THE USE IS IN YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND REQUIRES AN SUP. >> Prince: I GUESS I'M JUST CONFUSED THEN. WHY -- I'M CONFUSED NOW THEN WHY THE OTHER ONES ARE OPERATING UNDER MIXED BEVERAGE AND THEY'RE ASKING US FOR PRIVATE CLUB. THAT'S WHY I'M CONFUSED. >> BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE ZONING IN HOUSTON THATE REQUIRE. >> Prince: NO, BUT THEY'RE -- THEY COULD OPERATE UNDER THE SAME LICENSE HERE THAT THEY'RE OPERATING UNDER HOUSTON IS MY POINT. >> YOU MEAN 40/60? >> I THINK THE DIFFERENCE, IF I MIGHT -- CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG -- IN HOUSTON, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME RESTRICTIONS ON THE FOOD-TO-BEVERAGE RATIO. >> WHEN THE CITIZENS ACQ -- IF DIDN'T ADOPT IT WIT THE FOOD BEVERAGE CERTIFICATE, THEN I IT'S -- >> SO IT'S LIKELY A DIFFERENT STANDARD IN HOUSTON. >> Mayor Muns: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE -- GO AHEAD. >> Tu: SO I WANTED TO ALSO ASK ABOUT SECURITY. THAT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT TO ME. I'M A CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER. OBVIOUSLY, I LOVE HAVING DEFENDANTS COMING OUT WITH DWIs, BUT AS PLANO RESIDENT, I SOLULY THINK THAT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO BE A REPUTATION FOR IN PLANO, HAVING MULTIPLE INTOXICATED DRIVERS, ESPECIALLY YOUNG INTOXICATED DRIVERS ON THE ROAD AS ONE OF THE SPEAKERS JUST TALKED ABOUT. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE PARK AND PRESTON AREA RIGHT NOW HAS -- YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MULTIPLE RESTAURANTS WITH BARS ALREADY IN THAT AREA. AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING A NEARLY 30,000 SQUARE FEET OFUST ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION. I'M AITTLE BIT WORRIED ABOUT WHAT ARE SOME OF THE SECURITY GUIDELINES OR, YOU KNOW, PLANS OF ACTION THAT YOU ARE PUTTING IN PLACE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE MORE WORK FOR OUR PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT IN SURVEILLING THAT AREA AND CREATING MORE DRUNK DRIVERS? I THINK THAT'S THE PART THAT I REALLY WORRY ABOUT AND AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT. IS THERE MORE SECURITY? ARE YO GNG TO PUT PRIVATE SECURITY GUARDS, SECURITY MONITORS? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO RESTRICT, YOU KNOW, DRINKING? IT SOUNDS LIKE -- EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A KITCHEN IN YOUR FACILITY, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE FOOD TRUCK IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE ONE OF YOUR MAIN ATTRACTIONS OR MAIN THEME THAT MAKES YOU DIFFERENT FROM KATIE TRAIL. YOU KNOW, FOOD TRUCKS ARE NOT -- THEY'RE TRANSIENT. SO MY BASIC QUESTION IS ABOUT SECURITY. SO CAN YOU RESPOND TO THAT? >> YES, LET ME TRY TO RESPOND TO THE VARIOUS PIECES OF THAT. FIRST, THIS IS NOT JUST FOR ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION. WE HAVE A PERMANENT KITCHEN WITHIN THE INTERIOR SPACE. WE HAVE THE FOOD TRUCKS IN ADDITION TO THE PERMANENT KITCHEN. THERE WILL BE FOOD SERVICE FROM ALL OF THOSE WITHIN THE FACILITY THE WHOLE TIME. SO IT'S NOT JUST A FACILITY FOR ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION. KIRBY IS AN EXISTING OPERATOR WITH THREE LOCATIONS IN HOUSTON. THEY WILL PROVIDE SECURITY FOR THEIR HUS, AND THEY WILL ABIDE BY ALL THE APPLICABLE REGULATIONS. AN OPERATION LIKE THIS TAKES THE RESPONSIBILITY PROBABLY MUCH MORE SERIOUSLY THAN A REGULAR RESTAURANT DOES. IN ADDITION TO KIRBY'S SECURITY WITHIN THEIR OPERATION, EDEN'S, WHICH OWNS THE ENTIRE 50 ACRES OF THE CENTER AND IS ONE OF THE MOST WELL-CAPITALIZED RETAIL REAL ESTATE OWNERS IN THE WORLD, HAS ITS OWN SECURITY AND MANAGEMENT OPERATION IN PLACE FOR THE ENTIRE CTER AT ALL TIMES THAT WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PROTECTION AND ASSURANCE PROTECTING NOT JUST KIRBY BUT THE ENTIRE CENTER. THE SIZE OF THIS ALSO IS AS MUCH A FUNCTION AS IT IS A FACT TO THIS EXISTING BUILDING TO THE TERMS OF TRAFFIC AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW FLOOR AREA HERE. WE'RE PROPOSING TO LEASE OUT AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT HAPPENS TO BE THIS BUILD BECAUSE IT WAS BUILT AS A TARGET. WE SENT HALF OF IT INTO A COWBOY FIT, WHO IS EXCITED ABOUT THIS USE, BY THE WAY,ECAU THEY'RE STRUGGLING IN LARGE PART DUE TO THE VACANCY NEXT DOOR AND THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT A VERY EXCITING PLACE TO COME. COULD THEY LIVE WITH 5,000 LESS SQUARE FEET? PROBABLY. BUT ARE WE GOING TO CHOP OFF THE BACK HALF OF AN EXISTING BUILDING? HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. YOU'LL HAVE TWO LAYERS OF SECURITY BOTH >> Tu: SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS, THIS IS ALL HYPOTHETICAL. WHAT IF THE COUNCIL DECIDES THAT FOOD TRUCK IS NOT SOTHING TT THEY REALLY WANT, IT DOESN'T REALLY ENHANCE THE, YOU KNOW, THE BEAUTY OF PLANO, AND THEY'RE ONLY WILLING TO GO FORWARD WITH ONE SUP WHICH IS THE RESTAURANT BAR, WHAT WOULD BE -- I MEAN, WHAT WOULD YOUR -- WOULD YOUR PLAN CHANGE BECAUSE OF THAT? >> YES, WE WOULD LOSE KIRBY AS A TENANT. WE WOULD HAVE THE PRIVATE CLUB OPTION TO GO FIND A DIFFERENT OPERATOR, IT IS INTEGRAL TO THEIRUSINESS MODEL IN ALL OF THEIR LOCATIONS. >> Mayor Muns: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COUNCILMAN SMITH. >> Smith : THANK YOU, MAYOR. QUESTION I HAVE, YOU ALLUDED TO IT, WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE KITCHEN THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING INSIDE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING TELLING THE FOOD TRUCK DOESN'T MATTER, IT'S A COOL FACTOR FOR THE PATIO, WHAT IS THE KITCHEN SIZE THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. >> DO Y'ALL STILL HAVE THIS THING? OKAY. >> HAVEN'T TRIED IT. >> SO THIS IS T ACTUAL -- NOT THAT YOU CAN READ -- THIS WHOLE SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS BASICALLY STORAGE UTILITY, KITCHEN VISIONED ON HERE, HOW MUCH OF THAT. [ INAUDIBLE - NO MIC ] ALSO BACK OF HOUSE FUNCTION SQUARE FEET SO OVER 5,000 SQUARE FEET BACK OF HOUSE. >> Smith : 1500 COOKING AREA, LET'S CALL IT -- >> APPLIANCES AND EVERYTHING, AND ACTUALLY, I THINK -- >> Smith : AND THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS WHERE? IT'S UNDER THE CANOPY DOWN -- >> HERE. WHERE THE FRONT DOOR IS. >> Smith : OKAY, IT'S FLIPPED AROUND BECAUSE THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, THAT WOULD BE THE BACK OF THE BUILDING BY THE APARTMENTS, BUT IT'S JUST FLIPPED. >> THESE ARE THE RESTROOMS DOWN HERE. >> Smith : OKAY, I GOT YOU, JUST FPPED FROM THE WAYE WERE LOOKING AT THERE. AND YOU ALSO HAD MENTIONED, I GUESS, THAT YOU -- YOUR CLIENT COULD DO A TRADITIONAL FOOD BENCH AND TABC IF THEY WANTED TO, BUT FOR THE REASONS HERE, THEY DECIDED TO GO FOR THE PRIVATE CLUB, IS THAT BECAUSE THE THRESHOLD, THE FOOD SERVICE WAS LOWER AT 35, HAVING TO ACHIEVE -- >> THE ACTUALLY SALES FROM KIRBY ARE DEFINITELY HIGHER. NOT ONLY COULD WE HAVE TENANTS THAT HAV TICAL FOOD AND BEVERAGE, WE DO, WE HAVE SEVERAL -- I HAD DINNER AT BLUE GOOSE WITH MY CLIENT BEFORE COMING HERE, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR TENANTS, WHICH HAS THE TABC LICENSE THAT SELLS ALCOHOL. THEY HAVE SEVERAL RESTAURANT TENANTS ALREADY. THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT USE, AND HAS A HIGHER ALCOHOL SALE, YES. >> Smith : THANK YOU, THAT IS A GREAT LEAD-IN TO THE NEXT QUESTION I HAD HERE IS WHAT -- WHAT WOULD YOUR CLIENT BE WILLING TO DO TO I GUESS TO VALIDATE TO US IN ME MEANINGFUL FASHION THAT THEY ARE INDEED MAINTAINING, ACHIEVING THAT 35% FOOD SALE RATIO VERSUS ALCOHOL, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AND OUR FAULT, OUR BAD, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE BASICALLY, THERE'S NO REPORTING REQUIREMENT, AND IT'S REALLY BEEN, I THINK, BECAUSE UP UNTIL YOUR CLIENT CAME IN TO PROPOSE THIS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY PRIVATE CLUBS OR NOBODY HAS PROPOSED ANYTHING LIKE THIS, THIS TYPE OF SCOPE AND SCALE TO US. WHAT WOULD THEY BE WILLING -- WHAT WOULD THEY BE WILLING TO DO REPOINGWISE SOMEHOW TO US TO ASSURE US THAT THEY ARE MAINTAINING THAT 35%, BECAUSE I THINK SEVERAL OF THE -- YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING A BAR THIS SIZE, TRAFFIC, DEPUTY MAYOR HAD EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT AS AN ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, GENERATING POTENTIAL DWIS OUT AND ABOUT, ESPECIALLY 2:00 IN THE MORNING, I LIVE CLOSE TO THIS AREA AS WELL, I'M BY THERE, I FREQUENT THE RESTAURANT THING, AND IT'S BUSY DOWN THERE, WHAT WOULD THEYG TO D TO GUARANTEE THEY WOULD BE ACHIEVING THAT, IT'S NOT A 90% ALCOHOL SALE. >> SO THOSE REPORTS AS I UNDERSTAND IT DO HAVE TO BE PROVIDED I THINK IT'S QUARTERLY TO THE TABC AND VERIFIED TO ACTUAL RECEIPTS, WE HAVE NO OBJECTION SHARING ALL OF THOSE WITH THE CITY. IT'S REGULATED BY THE TABC, BUT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE IT TO YOU, AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE IT TO THE CITY SO YOU CAN SEE IT. THERE'S NO SECRETS. IT'S A PROCESS THAT IS REQUIRED BY LAW. >> Smith : OKAY. PAIGE, CAN THAT BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS APPLICATION TO APPROVE THAT THEY WOULD INDEED PROVIDE THOSE SAME REPORTS TO US? LEGALLY? NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST YOU, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME GUARANTEE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE. >> Mayor Muns: I GUESS IT WOULD BE SIMULTANEOUSLY TO US AS WELL AS THE TABC. >> YEAH, WE WOULD SUBMIT TO THE CITY THE EXACT SAME THING WE SUBMIT TO THE TABC FOR YOUR CONFIRMATION. OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM ON IT, IF WE'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE, BUT YOU WOULD SEE THE SAME INFORMATION THAT THEY DO. >> Smith : SO THAT'S A YES? I GUESS THAT WOULD BE -- >> FOR ME -- >> Smith : COULD INCORPORATE THAT INTO ANYTHING WERE WE TO APPROVE THIS TONIGHT? MAYOR? MAYOR, YOU'RE IN THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY KNOW MORE THAN -- >> Mayor Muns: LET ME TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS. [ ♪ MUSIC PLAYING ♪ ] ♪ >> COUNCIL IS RECONVENED. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR PAIGE, DO YOU HAVE SOME CLARITY FOR US? >> YES, WE'VE HAD AN ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT OVER THE YEARS, AND IT'S KIND OF CROSS REFERENCED IN SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE CAN REQUIRE AN ANNUAL REPORT AND IT WOULD BE DUE BY APRIL 1, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT AS A STIPULATION ON THIS SUP, TO SHOW THAT THEY'RE DOING THE 35% RATIO, THAT WOULD BE OKAY. >> Smith : CHRISTINA, COULD YOU WRITE SOMETHING UP AND READ IT TO US? THANK YOU, THANK YOU, YOU'RE AWESOME. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENCE, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >> Tu: I HAVE ONE ESTION. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. SO OBVIOUSLY, WHEN YOU ARE PLANNING ON OR YOUR TENANT, I GUESS IT'S YOUR TENANT, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> Tu: ARE PLANNING ON OPENING AN ESTABLISHMENT LIKE THE ONE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED, HAS THERE BEEN ANY TYPE OF RESEARCH OR SURVEY OR -- THAT WAS DONE WITH REGARD TO THIS PARTICULAR AREA? I MEAN, I GET THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION IS PLANO IS VERY RESIDENTIAL. I MEAN, WE -- YOU KW, WE PRIDE OURSELF IN FAMILY-ORIENTED AREA WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE GO ON WEEKENDS TO GO OUT AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOOD AND BEVERAGE, BUT IS THERE -- HAS THERE BEEN ANY TYPE OF SURVEY OR RESEARCH DONE WITH REGARD TO HOW IT'S GOING TO OPERATE FROM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY OR MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, ACTUALLY? >> YES, AND THE RESEARCH IS THERE ARE THREE EXISTING LOCATIONS, ONE IS IN THE MEMORIAL AREA OF HOUSTON, THE WOODLANDS. EVERY CITY IS DIFFERENT, BUT DEMOGRAPHICALLY THERE'S A LOT OF SIMILARITIES IN THOSE LOCATIONS, AND TY'RE CONFIDENT THAT THE KIND OF FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THIS AREA WILL BE ATTRACTED TO THIS, AND LIKE I SAID IN MY LEAD-UP, THERE'S NO STAGE. PEOPLE MENTIONED THE TRUCK YARD. IT HAS A STAGE AND SPEAKERS AND LIVE BANDS EVERY WEEKEND. THIS IS A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN BRING YOUR DOG, LITERALLY, AND SIT DOWN WITH FRIENDS AFTER WORK. IT'S A LAID BACK ATMOSPHERE. YES, IT'S FOR ADULTS, BUT THEY ARE IN SIMILAR LOCATIONS WITH SIMILARLY ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE IMMEDIATE VICITY IN HOUSTON, AND THEY ARE CONFIDENT THAT THEIR MODEL WILL WORK IN A LOCATION LIKE THIS ONE. >> DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? THANK YOU, MAYOR, JUST A QUICK QUESTION, TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE 50 VERSUS 35 IS A BIG DIFFERENCE, WHICH I AGREE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE STATE LEGISLATURE HAS AMENDED THAT TO WHERE WITHOUT THE PRIVATE CLUB SUP, YOU COULD STILL GET A PERMIT THAT WOULD ALLOW JUST 40% OF REVENUE FROM NONALCOHOL SALES. WOULD THAT 35 TO 40% BE A BIG DEAL FOR KIRBY ICE HOUSE BASED ON PERCENTAGES AT CURRENT LOCATIONS OR DO WE JUST NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION TONIGHT? IF WE DON'T, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. >> NONE OF THE LOCATIONS IN HOUSTON COULD MEET IT. >> Ricciardelli: OKAY. >> BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO. THEY'RE ALREADY HAVING TO ALTER THEIR BUSINESS MODEL TO OPEN HERE, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PUTTING A PERMANENT KITCHEN IN IN ADDITION TO THE FOOD TRUCKS. 5% DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. I GUESS YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT EITHER WAY, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IF IT'S 5% MORE OR 5% LESS? WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY NEED THIS TO OPERATE. IF I GO HOME TONIGHT WITH ONLY FOOD TRUCKS, AND NO PRIVATE CLUB, DO I LOSE THEM AS A TENANT? I THINK I DO BUT -- >> Ricciardelli: GOT YA'. THE REASON I ASK, MY UNDERSTANDING ANYONE PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE TABC MIXED BEVERAGE, YOU KNOW, FOOD AND BEVERAGE PERMIT WOULD ALLOW Y'ALL TO HAVE UP TO 60% REVENUE FROM THE ALCOHOL, AND THAT WOULD HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY AT THE STATE LEVEL FROM THE TABC, THE TABC WOULD ENFORCE THAT, THE CITY WOULD NOT HAVE TO, WHEREAS IF WE DO THE PRIVATE CLUB, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE TABC WILL NOT ENFORCE ANY MINIMUM AND IT WOULD BE UP TO THE CITY TO ENFORCE THE 35% WHICH MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY DOING, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING IF WE CAN GET IT WHERE THE TABC IS ENFORCING SOME ACCOUNTABILITY, THAT WOULD PERSONALLY INCREASE MY COMFORT LEVEL. >> WE ARE OKAY, WE UNDERSTAND, AND I COULD APPRECIATE SOMEONE SAYING WHAT ARE THESE GUYS DOING, THEY PROBABLY WANT TO COME IN AND SELL 95% ALCOHOL AND WE'RE NEVER GOING TO CHECK, RIGHT? >> Ricciardelli: UH-HUH. >> THAT'S WHY WE'RE AGREE TO BELIEVE THE SUGGESTED AUDIT AND REPORTING PROVISION. WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE WANT TO FOLLOW THE RULE, NOT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO SKIRT THEM OR AVOID THEM. >> Ricciardelli: GOT YA'. THANK YOU FOR THOSE RESPONSES. APPRECIATE IT. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU'LL READ THAT PROPOSAL -- >> SURE AND I CAN SHOW IT ON THE OVERHEAD AS WELL. THE PRIVATE CLUB RESTRICTION WOULD BE ANNUAL REPORTING MUST BE PROVIDED CONSISTENT WITH ORDINANCE 79610 BY APRIL FIRST OF EACH CALENDAR YEAR, THAT ORDINANCE DOES HAVE DETAILS, STANDARDS, AS TO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. IT SAYS THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE SOMETHING TO THE CITY MANAGER THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED TO TABC. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. CALL THE QUESTION. ANYBODY -- WE'VE ASKED ALL THE QUESTIONS WE CAN. ANTHONY? >> Ricciardelli: I JUST WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT, MAYOR. I APPRECIATE THE APPLICATION AND, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY GREW UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS RIGHT ACROSS OHIO OM THERE, WHEN I GOT OLD ENOUGH TO RIDE MY BIKE ACROSS OHIO ROAD, I BIKED THERE, SO I DO THINK THERE ARE KIDS WHO ARE AROUND THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALREADY ACROSS THE STREET, KATIE TRAIL ICE HOUSE, THERE IS, YOU KNOW, OTHER -- CLEARLY OTHER SUPs F THIS WERE FOR THE 40%, YOU KNOW, THAT PERMIT THAT WHERE THE TABC WOULD ENFORCE THE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE 40% INSTEAD OF THE CITY HAVING TO DO THAT, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE SAME RULES THAT KATIE TRAIL ICE HOUSE IS OPERATING UNDER. I DON'T WANT ZONING TO BE A BARRIER TO ENTRY TO PREVENT COMPETITION FOR ESTABLISHED BUSINESSES. THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF ZONING, SO I WOULD BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THE SAME ZONING THAT KATIE TRAIL ICE HOUSE HAS, BECAUSE THAT'S ONLY FAIR, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR ME, I JUST -- I THINK WE'RE BETTER OFF SINCE WE ARE NOT CURRENTLY ENFORCING THE 35% REQUIREMENT FOR PRIVATE CLUBS, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THIS ANNUAL REPORT OPTION, BUT I STILL THINK IT'S JUST BETTER TO LEAVE IT WITH THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE PERMIT WHERE THE TABC, YOU KNOW, WHO DOES THIS EVERY DAY, WOULD BENFORCING THAT AT THE STATE LEVEL, SO IF Y'ALL CAME BACK WITH THAT ZONING REQUEST, I WOULD VOTE FOR IT. BUT I CAN'T VOTE FOR THIS TONIGHT, SO THANK Y'ALL FOR THE APPLICATION, THOUGH. >> MAYOR? >> Smith : COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, BECAUSE ONE THING I WAS KIND OF I GUESS PUT OFF A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IS BEING UNIMPAIRED EXISTING WAS THE 35%, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THERE TONIGHT IS THEY WOULD AGREE TO ABIDE BY ANNUAL REPORTING TO US THAT THEY ARE MEETING THAT 35%, 35% TE CURRENT STATE THRESHOLD I BELIEVE IS 40% NOW, NOT 50%, SO THAT 5% DIFFERENCE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WOULD THAT MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT OR WORSE OR ABOUT THE SAME. >> Ricciardelli: WELL, THANK YOU FOR ASKING. YOU KNOW, MINE, I THINK YOUR CHANGE IS A VERY POSITIVE ONE ABOUT REPORTING, BECAUSE ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THE CITY IS NOT CURRENTLY ENFORCING THIS. GIVEN THAT, I JUST THINK IF THE BUSINESS MODEL IS BEING MODIFIED TO GET TO 35%, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND 35 TO 40 SOUNDS SMALL TO ME, FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE IT'S A BIGGER CHANGE THAT IT'S SOUNDING, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE NUMBERS, BUT I THINK WE'RE BETTER OFF, YOU KNOW, LETTING THE TABC DO WHAT THE TABC DOES, YOU KNOW, LEAVING THIS SOMETHING WHERE THERE WOULD BE A STATE REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD BE ENFORCED BY THE PEOPLE WHO ENFORCE THESE TYPES OF REGULATIONS EVERY DAY THAT THERE HAS TO BE 40% REVENUE FROM NONALCOHOL SALES, SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE BETTER OFF LEAVING IT WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S TO BE REZONING THE SAME ZONING THAT KATIE TRAIL ICE HOUSE HAS, THAT SEEMS TO BE WORKING THERE, AND IT WOULD BE FAIR TO EVERYONE FOR THEMúTOE ZONING. >> I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER RICCIARDELLI, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GET INTO THIS HAVING TO HAVE A REPORT TO THE MANAGER AND TO US TO BE MONITORING THEIR ALCOHOL USE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE TABC IS THERE FOR, AND SO I'M IN SUPPORT IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK WITH HAVING IT MONITORED THROUGH THE TABC, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO UNFORTUNATELY NOT GOING TO ABLE TO SUPPORT. THIS. >> Tu: I'M SORRY, I WOULD LIKE TO CHIME IN TOO. THERE'S ONE THING I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT TALKED ABOUT WAS THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE FOR ADULTS ONLY, AND I DON'T THINK THAT REALLY FITS INTO PLANO POLICY. WE'RE FAMILY ORIENTED PLACE WHERE WE WANT TO BRING OUR KIDS TO DIFFERENT ENTERTAINMENTS AND DIFFERENT VARIETY OF PLACES FOR SHOPPING AND FOR FOOD AND FOR ENTERTAINMENT, SO I'M ACTUALLY STUCK ON THAT, TOO. YOU, BUT KIDS ARE NOT ALLOWED. DOESN'T FIT WITH ME. SO I'M GOING TO SORT OF FOLLOW ALONG WITH THAT. >> Mayor Muns: JULIE, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? >> Holmer: YEAH, MY FELLOW COUNCILMEMBERS AND SOME OF THE SPEAKERS I THINK COVERED ALL OF MY QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS VERY WELL, THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> HORNE: WELL, I'M REALLY AT A CROSSROADS HERE IN THAT PROPOSAL MEETS THE COMP PLAN FOR ACTIVITY CENTER. IT DOES, YOU KNOW, IT MEETS CREATING DESTINATION SHOPPING AND ENTERTAINMENT CENTER. IT MEETS THE MATRICES FOR MIX OF USES. SUP IS COMPLIANT WITH THE SETBACKS. EVERYTHING -- EVERYTHING IS GREAT ABOUT THIS. I WISH THIS THING WAS IN -- ONLY THING, I WISH IT WAS CLOSER TO WHERE I LIVE, INSTEAD OF ON WHERE EVERYTHING WHERE YOU GUYS LIVE BUI DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BEING LARGER THAN GILLEY'S DALLAS, AND THAT IS A -- THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING A HICCUP. I GOT TO TELL YOU, 32,000 SQUARE FEET, AND, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT 1500 SQUARE FEET OF KITCHEN. YOU HAVE ABOUT 5,000 SQUARE FEET OF BACK OF ROOM I GUESS IS WHAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT WAS. THAT'S A LOT OF SPACE TO PUT PATRONS TO HAVE BEVERAGES, AND HAVE JUST REALLY NOT A LOT OF FOOD. SO THAS REALLY WHERE I'M HAVING . JUST THE SHEAR SIZE OF THIS. SO THIS IS WHERE I'M TROUBLED. I LOVE TO SEE YOU THERE. IF IT WAS A SMALLER FOOTPRINT, MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE AN ANSWER, BUT I'M SURE THAT DOESN'T MEET YOUR BUSINESS MODEL, SO I'LL HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST THIS. >> Mayor Muns: GO AHEAD. YOU GUYS HAVE A MOTION. >> HORNE: MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY THE PETITION. >> Ricciardelli: I WILL RESPECTFULLY SECOND. WE -- BEFORE WE CALL IT, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I THINK EVERYBODY CAN DO MATH. THIS IS NOT GOING TO TURN OUT PROBABLY THE WAY YOU HAD WANTED IT TO TURN OUT, BUT I SUGGEST IF YOU CAN, AS WE ASKED EARLIER, COME BACK AS A TRADITIONAL RESTAURANT, YOU KNOW, BEVERAGE, ALCOHOL, ESTABLISHMENT, I THINK THAT MIGHT BE VIEWED FAVORABLE AS COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI MENTIONED, SO DON'T BE TOTALLY OUT BECAUSE THIS MAY NOT WORK TONIGHT. >> OUT OF ORDER FOR ME TO ASK A QUESTION. >> Mayor Muns: NO, YOU'RE FINE. >> IT'S JUST TWO SUPs, IF YOU'RE DISINCLINED ON THE PRIVATE CLUB, THE FOOD CLUB IS A SEPARATE VOTE, WE COULD GO TO KIRBY, SEE IF THEY WOULD OPERATE AT THE 40 LEVEL, AND THEY WOULD NEED THE SUP FOR THE FOOD TRUCKS. >> Mayor Muns: I THINK THAT IS OUR BIGGEST ISSUE. WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO HAVE A RESTAURANT BAR IN ONE FACILITY, AND NOT IN -- HAVE THE FOOD TRUCK PART OF IT, SO -- >> IF WE GET THE FOOD TRUCK APPROVAL, WE AT LEAST HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THIS TENANT AND SAY IF YOU CAN GET TO 40, WE'VE GOT YOUR FOOD TRUCKS, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. >> Mayor Muns: YOU WANT TO DO IT THE OTHER WAY. >> I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO VOTE FOR THE PRIVATE CLUB -- >> I DON'T WANT TO COMPLICATE THE ISSUE, GIVEN THE REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT, THE FOOD TRUCK PART IS NOT MY CONCERN, IT'S THE GOING BELOW 40% REVENUE FROM NONALCOHOL SALES, SO I'M OKAY VOTING FOR THE FOOD TRUCK PART, IF THEY CAN OPERATE AT 40% FROM NONALCOHOL SALES, THEN THAT WOULD BE EQUAL FOOTING TO KATIE TRAIL ICE HOUSE AND OTHER BUSINESSES. SO I COULD VOTE FOR THAT. >> Tu: ARE WE SAYING THAT AT THIS POINT WE ARE KEEPING THE STATUS QUO AS TO THE ZONING CURRENTLY FOR -- >> WE WOULD BE VOTING FOR AN SUP FOR FOOD TRUCKS AND DENYING THE SUP FOR A PRIVATE CLUB. >> Tu: CAN WE DO IT SEPARATELY, BECAUSE I'M NOT ON BOARD WITH THE FOOD TRUCK. >> YOU JUST VOTE NO. [NO AUDIBLE DIALOGUE] >> DENY THE PETITION. WE DENY -- >> Mayor Muns: RICK, WHAT DO YOU -- >> HORNE: MY MOTION WAS NOT TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION WITH BOTH SUPS. THAT WAS IT. BOTH OF THEM. DENI BOTH OF THEM. THAT WAS MY MOTION. NOT AT THIS TIME. >> Ricciardelli: SO I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T WANT TO COMPLICATE THINGS, BUT I ACTUALLY NEED TO WITHDRAW MY SECOND THEN, BECAUSE I WOULD VOTE FOR THE FOOD TRUCK SUP. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO -- >> Tu: I'LL SECOND -- >> Mayor Muns: IT'S ALREADY -- >> HE WITHDREW IT. >> Mayor Muns: OH, I'M SORRY OKAY. SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DENY AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3, AND THAT WOULD BE VOTING YES FORT. >> HORNE: FOR CLARIFICATION FOR CLARIFICATION, MINE WAS ON BOTH OF THEM. >> Mayor Muns: YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. >> Ricciardelli: SORRY, POINT OF CLARIFICATION, WE VOTE NO UNLESS WE WANT TO DENY BOTH SUPS. >> HORNE: CORRECT. >> WANT TO DENY BOTH, YOU VOTE YES. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DENY BOTH -- >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT, PLEASE VOTE. JULIE, HOW DO YOU VOTE? JULIE VOTES YES. OKAY, MOTION PASSES 4-2 -- 5-2. EXCUSE ME. MOTION PASSES TO DENY 5-2. ALL RIGHT. >> READY FOR AGENDA ITEM 4? PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2023-14 TO AMEND ARTICLE VIII, DEFINITIONS, ARTICLE XIV, ALLOWED USES AND USE CLASSIFICATIONS, ARTICLE XV, USE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS, AND ARTICLE XVI, PARKING AND LOADING OF THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2015-5-2, AS HERETO FOREAMENDED, ALLOW COMMERCIAL DRONE DELIVERY HUBS TO INCLUDE PROVISIONS FOR ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY AIRCRAFT, AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE AND AN EFFECT DATE. >> Mayor Muns: GO AHEAD. I WAS GOING TO EXPLAIN WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. >> Tu: MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE AT THIS TIME. >> Mayor Muns: HOLD ON, LET ME EXPLAIN OUR POSITION, JUST A SECOND. >> Downs: OKAY. >> Mayor Muns: WE HAD A OPPORTUNITY AS A COUNCIL TO MEET IN PERSON TO SEE THE OPERATIONS IN T DIFFERENT EAS,NE IN FRISCO, ONE IN PLANO. UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE THANKSGIVING, SO WE HAD A LOT OF US GONE. WE WOULD -- WE STILL NEED SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, AND SO WE'RE RESPECTFULLY HOPING THAT WE CAN TABLE THIS ITEM, GET SOME REAL VIDEO THAT CAN BE ANALYZED AND EXPLAINED TO US. I THINK THAT IS OUR BEST HOPE TO GET ALL OF US TOGETHER OUTSIDE OF THIS VENUE. SO IF THE COUNCIL IS AGREEABLE TO THAT, I'D LIKE TO SAVE EVERYBODY SOME TIME AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE TONIGHT, BUT IF WE COULD GET THAT INFORMATION AND COME BACK WITH A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. I'LL LET YOU SPEAK JUST A SECOND SIR. IS EVERYDY OKAY WITHHAT? AS FAR AS MAKING A MOTION. >> WOULD THAT BE INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAD DIFFICULTY TRYING TO GET A QUORUM TO VISIT A SITE. WOULD THAT VIDEO SERVE AS A -- SUB PLANT THAT -- >> Mayor Muns: YES, WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE VIDEO WITH THE APPLICANTS EXPLAINING THEIR POINT OF VIEW, SO I THINK WE CAN ALL FIGURE THAT OUT. I'M SORRY, YOU -- >> Smith : MAYOR, I WAS GOING TO SAY I WOULD NOT BE AGAINST DOING THAT. I WAS ON THE ROAD,O -- >> Mayor Muns: OH, I KNOW. >> Smith : -- BUT IF WE COULD DO IT BEFORE WE GET TOO CLOSE TO THE HOLIDAY PERIOD, I WOULD RATHER SEE IT IN PERSON, BECAUSE ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THE NOISE BEING GENERATED AND THE VIDEO WILL GET SOME OF IT, BUT NOT GOING TO REALLY GIVE YOU THE SAME IMPACT AS YOU BEING THERE, AS NEIGHBORS OR OTHER MIGHT BE WHO WOULD BE IN THE DIRECT FLIGHT PATH. >> Mayor Muns: I TOTALLY AGREE, BUT THE ACT OF GETTING ALL OF US TOGETHER HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT. >> Smith : WE'RE NOT TOO MUCH LIKE CATS, SOMETIMES WE CAN BE HERDED. >> Mayor Muns: SOMETIMES WE CAN, BUT -- MARIA? >> Tu: I MADE A MOTION TO TABLE. >> SECOND. >> IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THE NOTICE, WE NEED TO TABLE TO A DATE CERTAIN -- >> WOULD THAT BE THE ELEVENTH OR THE 19th? >> THE 11th? WHAT DATE WOULD YOU LIKE? IN JANUARY YOU'VE GOT THE 8th OR THE 22ND. >> I THINK SHE'S TALKING ABOUT JANUARY. >> OR THE 11th OF DECEMBER. >> Mayor Muns: OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. OKAY. ZONING CASES WE DIDN'T NOTICE ANY TO THAT DATE, SO AT'S WHY ION'T HE THAT. >> Mayor Muns: WHICH -- DECEMBER 11th OR 19th, WOULD YOU LIKE THE LATTER? OR JANUARY, WE CAN GO TO JANUARY. >> IF YOU WANT AND IN PERSON MEETING, THAT'S WHY I WAS SUGGESTING THOSE JANUARY DATES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, I'M (INDISCERNIBLE) I WORK WITH A NUMBER OF THESE DRONE DELIVERY COMPANIES, OUR INITIAL ASK WAS GOING TO BE FOR LATEEBRUARY, EARLY MARCH, TO MAKE SURE WE COULD DEACON FLICK WITH COUNCIL'S SCHEDULES, JUST FOR CLARITY -- >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. WE CAN DO THAT, I DON'T HAVE A CALENDAR THAT FAR AHEAD. BUT CHRISTINA, DO WE NEED TO MAKE THAT DATE RIGHT NOW. >> Tu: I CAN AMEND MY MOTION TO TABLE TO SOME TIME IN FEBRUARY AT ONE OF OUR -- >> FEBRUARY 26th MEETING -- >> Mayor Muns: IS THAT OKAY. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. FEBRUARY 2h. >> Tu: FEBRUARY 26th, TABLD TO THAT DATE. >> I SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. MR. LAGOS, YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK REAL QUICK? PLEASE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MY NAME IS JACK LAGOS, I LIVE IN THE CITY OF PLANO, I'VE BEEN WAITING HERE FOR TWO HOURS TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE THING YOU JUST TABLED, WHICH I AGREE WITH, WHICH IS STRANGE ME COMING UP TO SAY SOMETHING, BUT FOR THE PERSON ON THE OVERHEAD, IF EY CAN SHOOT DOWN WHAT'S ON HERE, I THINK YOU ALL READ THE NEWSPAPER, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT CONCERNS PLANO, OR DO YOU -- I'M MAKING AN ASSUMPTION. OKAY. I GET THE PLANO NEWSPAPER, AND IN THE METRO SECTION, WHICH IS HERE, IT HAS THE COMMENT ABOUT PLANO -- >> THAT'S THE "THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS". >> IT HAS A METRO SECTION. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. >> YOU WANT TO HAVE PLANO. >> Mayor Muns: YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PLANO PAPER. >> I'M REFERRING TO THE PLO PAP. THAT'S A MISNOMER. I'M BRINGING UP HERE TO SHOW YOU, I READ ON WHAT YOU FOLKS ARE TALKING ABOUT, AS SOON AS I READ ON IT, I CAUGHT ONE OF YOUR STAFF MEMBERS, I STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS. NOW, I HAVE ANOTHER DOCUMENT I CAN SHARE, ON PLANO LETTER HEAD, I CAN PUT IT ON THE OVERHEAD, BUT THE LETTER HEAD LETTER SENT TO WAL-MART IN BENTONVILLE, ARKANSAS, SAID TO WAL-MART ON CUSTER AND PARKER, STATED THEY WERE VIOLATING A -- THE WERE VIOLATING THE DRONE OR ACTUALLY WAS THE STORAGE THAT PERTAINS TO THE DRONE, IN THAT PICTURE YOU'RE SEEING UP HERE, IT SHOWS THE DRONE FLYING OVER WITH SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY IS DROPPED DOWN ON THAT CUSTER AND PARKER LOCATION, AND I BELIEVE BASED ON YOUR LAND USAGE OR STORAGE USAGE, WHATEVER THEY CALL IT, THEY PUT IT IN AN 18-WHEELER TRAILER, OUT IN FRONT OF THE WAL-MART, WHICH AGAIN I DON'T THINK YOU FOLKS ALLOW. SO I'M SITTING HER READING THIS, AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, HOW IS THE CITY OF PLANO ALLOWING THIS? IN OTHER WORDS, THESE PEOPLE ARE BREAKING SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVEN'T PASSED YET, BUT THEY'RE BREAKING IT ANYWAY, OKAY? THAT'S WHAT THIS ARTICLE SAYS. THAT IS WHAT GOT ME INSENSED AND I START CALLING THE STAFF MEMBER. HOW IS IT A COMPANY CALLED DRONE UP, PLUS THREE OTHER COMPANIES SIMILAR TO THIS ONE, THAT ARE DOING THINGS THAT YOU HAVEN'T EVEN PASSED AN ORDINANCE ON? IS THAT THE WAY WE RUN GOVERNMENT? NOW, YOU'RE GOING TO GO LOOK AT IT IN JANUARY, WHATEVER TIME IT IS, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THESE PEOPLE ARE BREAKING SOMETHING THAT YOU SUPPOSED TO BE REGULATING. AS A CITIZEN, IT GETS ME A LITTLE UPSET, BECAUSE IF JACK LAGOS DID THAT, I WOULD BE IN HANDCUFFS PROBABLY IN THE JAIL, ALL RIGHT? BUT IF DRONE UP DOES IT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS A BIG COMPANY OUT OF VIRGINIA, IT'S OKAY. THE OTHER COMPANY WHICH YOU MAY RECOGNIZE, I DON'T KNOW, WAL-MART, DOES IT, AND NOBODY PAYS ATTENTION TO IT. NOW, TS LETTER I'M HOLDING RIGHT HERE IS ON PLANO LETTER HEAD. IT SAID TO WAL-MART, BOTH THE ONE IN BENTONVILLE, AND THE ONE HERE, YOU HAVE 12 DAYS TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM ON THIS PICTURE. THIS LETTER IS DATED JUNE -- LET'S SEE, JUNE 1, 2023. AND IT SAYS IF YOU DON'T CORRECT IT IN -- LET'S SEE, IF YOU DON'T CORRECT IT IN -- >> Mayor Muns: MR. LAGOS, YOUR TIME IS UP -- >> MY TIME IS UP. I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND. >> Mayor Muns: I DO. >> YOUOLKSUNHIS CITY. I DON'T. YOU GE NEED TO GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER AND RUN THE CITY CORRECTLY. IS THAT OKAY? >> Mayor Muns: YES. >> OKAY. GOOD NIGHT. [NO AUDIBLE DIALOGUE] >> Mayor Muns: JULIE, OH, I CAN'T SEE HER. >> Holmer: I'M SORRY, I'M HERE, IT'S REALLY DARK. I'M IN A CAB. >> Mayor Muns: YEAH, YOU'RE DARK. [ LAUGHTER ] DO YOU VOTE TO TABLE -- SHE'S ON CAMERA. >> Holmer: YES. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. GO AHEAD. WE CAN'T SEE HER, SO LET'S MOVE ON, ITEM 5. >> Holmer: CAN YOU SEE ME NOW, IS THAT BETTER? OKAY, I'LL TURN IT ON WHEN I VOTE. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. JUST STAY READY. >> Holmer: I'M READY. >> ITEM NUMBER 5, PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2023-24 TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2015-5-2, AS HERETOFORE AMENDED, GRANTING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 61 FOR PUBLIC SERVICE YARD ON 5.2 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED 25 FEET NORTH OF TECHNOLOGY DRIVE AND 70 FEET WEST OF SHILOH ROAD IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY TEXAS PRESENTLY ZONED RESEARCH TECHNOLOGY CENTER, DIRECTING A CHANG ACCORDINGLY IN THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY, PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> ALL RIGHT, THIS IS OUR LAST ZONING CASE OF THE EVENING. WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SERVICE YARD, IT IS FOR DART, AND ALONG THE SILVER LINE NEAR THE SHILOH ROAD STATION. YOU CAN SEE THE LENGTH OF THIS SERVICE YARD WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY, JUST TO THE WEST OF SHILOH ROAD, AND THE RESEARCH TECHNOLOGY DISTRICT. AND THE AREA THAT OF NOTICES THAT WENT OUT. THERE'S AN AERIAL SHOWING YOU THE SURROUNDING LAND USES. THERE IS A VARIETY OF LAND USE IN THIS AREA WITH THE RESEARCH TECHNOLOGY DISTRICT HAVING PRIMARILY WAREHOUSING AND MANUFACTURING TYPE USES, AND THEN A GOOD VARIETY OF USES TO THE NORTH. THIS IS A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY DART SHOWING YOU THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAY IN BLUE, THEN JUST FOR REFERENCE YOU CAN SEE THE -- THEY CONNECT TO THE RIGHT OF WAY THROUGH THE PARCEL THAT'S OUTLINED IN RED, AND THAT CONNECTION IS THROUGH TO TECHNOLOGY DRIVE. AND THEN THIS IS A REVISED PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR HEMOTRONICS ADDITION, THEY HAVE A LONG-TERM LEASE ON THIS PROPERTY, AND THAT IS HOW THE SITE WILL BE ACCESSED, SO DART WILL BE UTILIZING THIS PROPERTY AS AN OFFICE BUILDING AND PARKING FOR THE ADJACENT SITE. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THE NECESSARY PARKING IS PROVIDED AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN REVIEW. THAT'S FOR AN SUP STRICTION, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T PARKING OTHERWISE FOR THE MAINTENANCE FILIT WE ALSO ARE REQUIRING A SOUND WALL TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE YARD FACILITY, BECAUSE OF THE USES THAT MAY BE SENSITIVE TO THE NORTH SUCH AS A -- A RETIREMENT HOUSING FACILITY THERE, AND THEN EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE FACILITY AND WASH BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE FULLY ENCLOSED AND AGAIN THAT IS TO CUT DOWN ON NOISE THAT MAY IMPACT ADJACENT USES. SO REGARDING CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPRENSIVE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS PART OF THE EMPLOYMENT CENTERS, FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY ON THE LAND USE MAP. IT DOES MEET THE VARIOUS CATEGORIES WITHIN THAT FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY. WE HAD NO RESPONSES. SO YOU CAN SEE A VARIETY OF PEOPLE WERE NOTIFIED ON THIS. SO IT WAS RECOMMENDED 8-0 BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING, BASED ON THE THREE RESTRICTIONS BEFORE YOU, AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >>> Mayor Muns: ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHRISTINE? OKAY, THANK YOU, OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> THE ONLY SPEAKERS WE HAVE THIS EVENING ARE THE APPLICANT, TREY WALKER. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY, MY NAME IS TREY WALKER, I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR CAPITAL DESIGN AND CRUX WITH DART, I'M HERE THIS EVENING TO SPEAK ON BEHF OF DART FOR THIS ZONING CASE BEFORE YOU. WE'RE DIVING TOO DEEPLY INTO THIS, I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SILVER LINE PROJECT, THIS IS INTEGRAL TO EFFORTS TAKING PLACE ON THE SILVER LINE. A COMMUTER RAILROAD WHICH IS CURRENTLY ON CONSTRUCTION, THE 50% STAGE OF CONSTRUCTION, AND WE HAVE HOPES TO OPEN THE SERVICE IN EARLY 2026 IF NOT SOONER. THE CORRIDOR SPANS FROM DFW AIRPORT TERMINAL B TO THE WEST, ALL THE WAY TO PLANO IN THE EAST. MAKING CONNECTIONS THROUGH GRAPEVIN KOPPELL, CARROLLTON ADDISON DALLAS RICHARDSON, AND EVENTUALLY TERMINATING IN PLANO. NOW, UNLIKE THE DART LIGHT RAIL FLEET THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE RAILS ON THE RED AND ORANGE LINES THAT SERVE HERE IN PLANO, THE VEHICLES FOR THIS SERVICES OF COMMUTER RAILROAD ARE DIFFERENT, THEY ARE INTERNALLY POWERED BY DIESEL ENGINES, YOU DON'T SEE THE OVERHEADLINES THAT YOU SEE RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE KIND OF ALL AROUND OUR RAILROAD NETWORK, SO WITH BEING A DIFFERENT ENGINE, A DIFFERENT VEHICLE, WE DO NEED A SEPARATE PLACE TO MAINTAINING SERVICE, WHICHR BRICKS UP THE ZONING CASE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. SO IDEALLY, THESE FACILITIES WILL BE LOCATED WELCOME BACK OUR RIGHT OF WAY, OR ADJACENT TO OUR RIGHT OF WAY, AND BE ABLE TO EASILY PROVIDE THE NECESSARY SERVICES OF SERVICING, CLEANING INSPECTING MAINTAINING OUR VEHICLES. ON THE ITEM FOR YOU TONIGHT, OUR REQUEST IS FOR APPROVAL, WHICH WILL -- OF THIS ITEM WHICH WILL FILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS MAINTENANCE FACILITY, THIS LOCATION THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED IS IDEAL, IT WAS SELECTED BECAUSE ALL EFFORTS CAN BE FIT WITHIN THE EXISTING SILVER LINE RIGHT OF WAY, IT CAN ACCOMMODATE ALL OF OUR EFFORTS. THE LOCATION IS ALSO VERY CLOSE TO END OF LINE OPERATIONS, WHICH MAKES THIS OPERATIONALLY VERY EFFICIENT, LIMITING ANY UNNECESSARY NONREVENUE TRAIN MOVEMENTS AND MAXIMIZING THE EFFICIENCY OF OUR CORRIDOR. WE HAVE 8 VEHICLES FOUR OF WHICH ARE IN NORTH TEXAS CURRENTR FOUR WILL BE SHIPPING IN EARLY 2024, SO ALL 8 VEHICLES WILL EVENTUALLY BE STORED ON THIS FACILITY AND WILL BE SERVICED BY A MAINTENANCE FACILITY AND A WASH BUILDING. IT'S OUR INTENTION TO BUILD THE STORAGE YARD IN ADVANCE OF THE FACILITY AND AS STAFF NTED, WE DO INTEND TO BUILD A 15-FOOT SOUND WALL ALONG A PORTION OF THE CORRIDOR TO MITIGATE ANY IMPACTS DUE TO NOISE. THE SITE ITSELF IS HIGHLIGHTED PREVIOUSLY, TECHNOLOGY DRIVE IS ON THE UTHERN, BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, WITH SHILOH ROAD JUST OFF THE PAGE TO THE EAST. THERE IS AN EXISTING RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY ABOUT 2,000 FEET LONG AND ABOUT 150 FEET WIDE SPANNING JUST OVER FIVE ACRES. AS NOTED, PLANNING AND ZONING UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED THIS ITEM ON NOVEMBER 6th, WITH THREE CONDITIONS THAT WOULD PROVIDE THE NECESSARY PARKING, AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN REVIEW, THE SOUND WALL BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THAT THE EQUIPMENT FACILITY AND WASH BUILDINGS BE FULLY ENCLOSED, DART'S INTENTION TO MEET ALL THREE OF THESE CONDITIONS, WE ARE ACTUALLYN THE PROCESS AND HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER AT 3201 TECHNOLOGY DRIVE TO PURCHASE THAT FACILITY AND LOOK FORWARD TO CLOSING ON THAT PROPERTY EITHER LATER THIS YEAR OR IN JANUARY. EXISTING OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, IN THE AREA, THIS IS LOOKING OUT THE BACK PARKING LOT OF 3201 ON TO THE SILVER LINE RIGHT OF WAY, THE TOP PHOTO IS LOOKING EAST, WHICH IS WHERE THE AREA OF THE STORAGE YARD WILL BE PLACED. LOOKING STRAIGHT AHEAD IS THE MIDDLE PHOTO, AND THEN LOOKING TO THE WEST WHERE YOU'LL ENTER THE YARD AND HAVE THE EMF FACILITY AS WELL ASG WILL BE LOCATEDNHE WEST, AND THAT IS DEPICTED CURRENT CONDITIONS IN THE BOTTOM PHOTO. THE STRUCTURES, ON THE WESTERN EDGE, WE'LL HAVE A LARGE BUILDING, JUST IMAGINE A LARGE CAR WASH, TO CLEAN THE EXTERIOR OF THE VEHICLES, THE VEHICLES WILL PULL THROUGH ON A RAIL AND ENTER THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY ITSELF, BEING ABLE TO WORK ON TWO VEHICLES AT ONCE WITHIN THIS FACILITY, AND ACCESS POINTS BELOW THE VEHICLES AND ABOVE THE VEHICLES HOUSED WITHIN THIS BUILDING FOOTPRINT. AS YOU MOVE EAST, WE WILL THEN HAVE A FUEL CON NOIP TO BE ABLE TO SERVICE THE VEHICL AND FUE THEM PRIOR TO STORING THEM IN THE SERVICE YARD TO THE EAST, WHICH WILL BE SUPPORTED BY FOUR TRACKS CONNECTING TO THE SILVER LINE MAIN LINE. ZOOMING OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER JUST FOR CONTEXT, WE DO HAVE AGAIN JUST TO GET YOU ORIENTED THAT THE -- AT THE VERY TOP OF THE IMAGE, YOU SEE A BOLD LINE, THAT IS A SOUND WALL THAT IS CURRENTLY PLANNED FOR CONSTRUCTION WITH OUR MAIN LINE CONSTRUCTION, SO WE PLAN TO MEET THAT CONDITION IN ADVANCE OF STARTING CONSTRUCTION, ON THIS FACILITY, THE RED AND BLUE LINES AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE ARE THE MAIN LIN SILVER LINE TRACKS, THEN THE PURPLE LINES WITHIN THE UPPER QUADRANT OF THE PAGE, NOTATE THE YARD TRACK THAT MOVES THROUGHOUT THE BUILDINGS. WE WILL BE PROVIDING SITE ACCESS TO THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY TO THE 3201 PARCEL, WILL BE PROVIDING FIRE ACCESS ALONG 3201 AND ALSO ON 2801 TECHNOLOGY DRIVE, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF SECURING LONG-TERM EASEMENTS FOR THOSE FACILITIES. JUST TO WALK THROUGH A FEW RENDERINGS REAL QUICKLY, THE WASH FACITY IS THE BUILDING ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE, KIND OF IN THE BOTTOM CENTER, WITH THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE, EXTENDING INTO THE SERVICE YARD ON THE TOP OF THE PAGE WITH THE FOUR TRACKS THERE. THE SOUND WALL IS SHOWN AT THE BROWN STRIPE IN ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE RUNNING FROM THE BOTTOM LEFT TO THE TOP RIGHT OF THE PAGE AS WELL, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OUR TRACKS. TURNING AROUND A LITTLE THIS IMAGE HIGHLIGHTS THOSE -- THE ABILITY TO MAKE DELIVERIES TO THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY TOUGH 3201 TECHNOGY DRIVE, THOSE TWO CUTOUTS THERE. LOOKING BACK TO THE WEST, YOU CAN SEE THE TRACKS AS THEY ENTER THE YARD, AND INTO THE WASH BAY, AND THE NURSING HOME FACILITY IS LOCATED KIND OF IN THE TOP OF THE PAGE WITH THE ASTERISK, AND YOU CAN SEE THE SOUND WALL THAT FULLY ENCOMPASSES THE FRONTAGE OF THAT PROPERTY. THIS IS LOOKING AT THE BACK SIDE, LOOKING SOUTH ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL. I WILL NOTE THAT THE PATH THAT IS ON THE LEFT PART OF THE IMAGE, THAT IS THE COTTON BELT TRAIL, THAT IS A PROJECT SPONSORED BY THE UNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, TAKING PLACE AND BEING CONSTRUCTED ON DART PROPERTY, MAINTAINED BY THE INDEPENDENT CITIES ALONG THE CORRIDOR TO SUPPORT RECREATIONAL USE IN AND ALONG THAT TRAILWAY THERE. WE DO WANT TO ELEVATE A LITTLE BIT THE AESTHETICS OF THE PROPERTY, SO WE ARE LOOKING TO INCLUDE WINDOWS FOR THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY ITSELF, AND LIGHT THAN FEEL UP A LITTLE BIT. THIS STRUCTURE WILL BE VISIBLE ALONG THE MAIN LINE TRACKS, YOU WILL BYPASS THIS FACILITY, BU DO WANT TO LOOK NICE, KIND OF MIRROR THAT TILT PANEL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS IN THE AREA, BUTTED A THOSE WINDOWS, ADD SOME CANOPIES, AND ADD ARCHITECTURAL FEELS, NOTATED WITH DART SIGNAGE. THIS SHOWS AGAIN THOSE ACCESS POINTS WE HAVE IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY 3201. AND THEN IN GENERAL, JUST THE USE OF THE SITE. WE DO HAVE A DRIVEWAY PAVED FULLY AROUND THE PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS AND PROVIDE EQUIPMENT ENTRANCES ALONG THE NEAR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL AS BOTH ENDS. A LITTLE BIT OF SPECIFICATIONS ON THE NOISE WALL WE'RE PROVIDING. THIS IS TO PROTECT ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS FROM ANY NOISE POLLUTION, THIS WALL IS 15 FEET ABOVE TOP OF RAIL, SO IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN 15 FEET, DOES EXTEND FOR 650 FEF THESE PANELS HAVE A SOUND ABSORBENT MATERIAL, A CORK OR SOMETHING, TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THE WAVES THAT PROPAGATE FROM ANY SOUND THAT COMES THROUGH THAT, AND THE OUTSIDE HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL FINISH SO THAT IT LOOKS NICE, IT DOES FACE AGAIN THE TRAIL THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED ALONG THE -- PARALLEL TO THE SILVER LINE RIGHT OF WAY. SO TONIGHT WE ASK THE COUNCIL TO APPROVE ZONING CASE 23, 2023-24, TO ALLOW DART TO BUILD THIS MAINTENANCE FACILITY. DART WITH THIS APPROVAL, DART WILL ADVANCE PLANS TO LOCATE BOTH OUR SILVER LINE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE CONTRACTORS AS WELL AS DART STAFF ON THIS SITE, AT 3201 TECHNOLOGY DRIVE, WHICH WILL BRING P FUL TIME EMPLOYMENT OF 65 INDIVIDUALS TO THIS LOCATION. ADDITIONALLY, THE CAPITAL SAVINGS TO BE ABLE TO LOCATE WITH UNDER ONE ROOF WITH ALL OUR CONTRACTORS HERE, WILL SAVE ABOUT $30 MILLION TO DART AND ITS MEMBER CITIES AS WELL AS $1 MILLION IN ANNUAL OPERATING FEES ANNUAL OPERATING COSTS RELATED TO ADDITIONAL FUEL AND TRIPS NOT NECESSARILY LOCATED AT THE END OF THE LINE. THE LOCATION HERE IS VERY IDEAL. WE HAVE MINIMIZED ANY NEIGHBORHOOD IMPACTS THROUGH COMPATIBLE LAND USE ENSURING THAT THE SERVICE BUILDINGS ARE FULLY ENCLOSED, INSTALLING THE SOUND WALL TO MITIGATE ANY EFFECTS TO NOISE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. OH, I'M SORRY. >> JUST REAL QUICK IS THIS THE ONLY MAINTENANCE FACILITY FOR THE SILVER LINE. >> FOR THE SILVER LINE, YES, SIR. THAT'S THE PLAN. >> HORNE: OKAY. >> Mayor Muns: ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? OH OKAY. ALL RIGHT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE THE COMMTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> Smith : MOTION TO APPROVE. GO AHEAD -- >> Mayor Muns: WELL, HOLD ON, OKAY, GO AHEAD AND ASK. >> Prince: QUESTION FOR EITHER CHRISTINA OR PAIGE. I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME CHALLENGES ON SOME OF OUR DART PROPERTIES WITH TRASH AND MAINTENANCE OF THE LAND BEING WELL KEPT, SO WHAT'S LEGAL STIPULATIONS COULD WE PUT IN PLACE TO REQUIRE THEM THIS?INTAIN THE LAND AROUND >> I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE CODE PROVISION FOR THAT TYPE OF ISSUE. >> RIGHT. I DO THINK THAT -- I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE COULD -- I THINK I WOULD HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO ABOVE AND BEYOND CODE, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY IN MIND, OR IF DART MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER REGARDING MAIENANCE >> Prince: YE AROUND I WAS THINKING REGULAR MAINTENANCE TO ENSURE THAT -- BECAUSE I KNOW ESPECIALLY AROUND THE PARKER STATION, BEING AT THE END, A LOT OF TRASH GETS BUILT UP THERE. TRASH CANS OVERFLOWING, THINGS LIKE THAT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE BEING AT THE END OF THIS LINE AS WELL, THAT WE DON'T GET A SIMILAR PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY HAVING A MAINTENANCE FACILITY OUT HERE. >> WE COULD -- WE COULD PUT SOMETHING WITH REGARD -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING WE PUT IN THERE IS SOMETHING TH PRORTY STDARDS CAN E READILY. >> ADDITIONAL DUMP ADMINISTERS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS REQUIRED RIGHT NOW, BUT -- >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH DART STAFF WITH REGARD TO SOME OF THE STATIONS AND SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE, AND UPKEEP ISSUES, BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF LITTER AND ABATEMENT HAS BEEN NOTICED DEFINITELY AT PARKER ROAD. I THINK PART OF THAT IS CONTINUED COMMUNICATIONS FROM OUR STAFF TO THEM, BUT I DO THINK THAT ANYTHING THAT WE CAN HAVE DART COMMIT TO AS FAR AS ENHANCED LEVELS OF CLEANLINESS AND PARTNERSHIP WOULD BE APPRECIATED, AND WHETHER THAT IS ON AN OPERATIONAL LEVEL OR WHETHER IT'S IN THE ZONING, WE'RE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING THAT LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE AND THAT THIS IS -- BECOMES AN ASSET, NOT AN EYE SORE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. >> JUST A NOTE ON THIS FACILITY SPECIFICALLY, THIS IS -- THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC-FACING FACILITY. THIS WILL BE INTERNALLY OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCER CONTRACT, OF COURSE WE'LL HOLD THOSE STANDARDS. THIS IS NOT LIKE A STATION THAT IS PUBLIC-FACING. >> Prince: YEAH, I THINK IT'S JUST -- YOU KNOW, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO A TRAIL, AND PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEES, ANYBODY, YOU KNOW THAT COMES DOWN THERE, GETS OFF, THEY CAN THROW TRASH OUT, SO WE'VE SEEN IT WITH PARKER ROAD, SO I JUST WOULD HOPE THAT WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB THAT ALL OF THE PLANO LOCATIONS -- >> MAYOR PRO TEM, PERHAPS WE COULD APPROACH DART ABOUT ENTERING INTO AN MOU WITH THE CITY AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE STANDARDS OUT THERE, AND I CAN SEE JACK NODDING HIS HEAD, BECAUSE HE IS READILY ACCEPTING THIS AS AN ASSIGNMENT TO GO PURSUE AN MOU WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THE MAINTENANCE IS WHERE IT SHOULD BE. >> Prince: AWESOME. >> Mayor Muns: RICK, YOU HAD A MENTION, BUT I'LL LET YOU DO IT AGAIN IF YOU WOULD LIKE. >> Smith : THANK YOU, MAYOR,ATION A MOTION TO APPROVE, AS LONG AS DEPUTY CITY MANAGER JACK CARR WILL GET WITH DART AND GET AN MOU THAT WILL AFFECT AND KEEP OUR PLACE CLEAN FOR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. >> I'LL SECD THAT MION. >> Mor Ms: BOY, THAT'S A LONG MOTION. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO WIT. JULIE, ARE YOU THERE? THERE IS HER LIGHT. >> I THINK CHRISTINA WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. >> DO YOU WANT TO APPROVE IT SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MOU. >> Prince: I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT. >> Mayor Muns: SURE. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? ALL RIGHT. IS THAT -- DOUGH -- DOES HE HAVE TO SAY IT. >> Mayor Muns: JUST CLARIFY, YOU DID. >> Smith : MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE STIPULATION THAT WE DEVELOP A MOU WITH DART TO MAINTAIN THE CLEANLINESS OF THE FACILITY. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. >> I'LL RESECOND THAT. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5, WITH THE STIPULATIONS, PLEASE VOTE. JULIE, HOW DO YOU VOTE -- >> Holmer: VOTE YES. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. NOW WE HAVE 7 TO 0 THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, TREY. APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE Y'ALL. >> Mayor Muns: ITEM 6, IS THAT WHERE WE'RE AT? >> City Clerk: ITEM NUMBER 6, SECOND READING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND SECTION 1 OF ORDINANCE NO 2014-6-11, TO EXTEND THE NONEXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE GRANTED TO COSERV GAS LIMITED, A TEXAS LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, DOING BUSINESS AS COSERV GAS, TO FURNISH AND SUPPLY GAS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN AND DENTON COUNTIES, TEXAS, FOR THE TRANSPORTING DELIVERY SALE, AND DISTRIBUTION OF GAS IN AND O OF AND THROUGH SAID MUNICIPALITY, FOR ALL PURPOSES, AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND CITY EXECUTIVES, I'M MICHELLE WARNER, THIS IS THE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO EXTEND THE CURRENT TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE FRANCHISE AGREEMENT FOR FIVE MORE YEARS WITH COSERV GAS TO CONSTRUCT AND OPERATE A GAS DISTBUTION SYSTEM IN PLANO'S PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THE FIRST READING WAS HELD AT THE OCTOBER 9th CITY COUNCIL MEETING. COSERV PROVIDES APPROXIMATELY 3% OF PLANO'S GAS INFRASTRUCTURE WITH THE OTHER 97% WITH ENERGY. PLANO WILL RECEIVE FROM COSERV REVENUE IN THE GENERAL FUND FROM QUARTERLY FRANCHISE FEE PAYMENTS BASED ON 5% OF GROSS REVENUES FROM EACH RETAIL CUSTOMER. IN THE MOST RECENT FISCAL YEAR, THE FRAHISE PLAN RECEIVED WAS APPROXITELY $186,000, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE A MOTION? >> Ricciardelli: MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Prince: SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 6. PLEASE VOTE. JULIE? >> Holmer: I VOTE YES. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. 7-0. TION PASSES. ITEM 7. >> ITEM NUMBER, CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION FOR THE CITY OF PLANO TO CAST ITS BALLOT FOR THE ELECTION OF MEMBERS TO THE COLLIN CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS UNDER THE PROVISION OF THE PROPERTY TAX CODE, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE BALLOT FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF PLANO AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. SO WE JUST NEED TO CAST ITS 299 VOTES FOR COLLINOUNTY, ANDHES WERE -- WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. >> Mayor Muns: SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE LIST ON COLLIN COUNTY CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT, WE COULD -- THERE'S TWO -- THERE'S RICK GRADY AND RON KELLEY, AND WE COULD SPLIT THOSE 299 EVENLY, OR ALMOST EVENLY BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM, IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THAT? YOU COULD -- WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT? HUH? OKAY. IF THAT'S OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO IT WOULD BE FOR RICK GRADY 149, AND FOR RON KELLEY, BECAUSE HE'S DONE IT, 150, VERY CLOSE, IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? ALL RIGHT. I WILL -- SINCE I HAVE TO SIGN IT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RICK GRADY WITH 149 VOTES AND RON KELLEY WITH 150 VOTES FOR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS NO, MNOMINATIONS. >> Ricciardelli: IL SECO. >> May Mun ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7. PLEASE VOTE. >> Holmer: I VOTE YES. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES 7-0. NEXT ITEM? >> ITEM NUMBER 8, CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION FOR THE CITY OF PLANO TO CAST ITS BALLOT FOR THE ELECTION OF MEMBERS TO THE DENTON CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD OF DIRECTORS UNDER THE PROVISION OF THE PROPERTY TAX CODE, AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE BALLOT FOR AND BEYOND -- AND ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF PLANO AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND FOR DENTON COUNTY, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 12 VOTES, AND THE LIST OF CANDIDATES WITHIN YOUR PACKET. >> Mayor Muns: ANYBODY RECOMMEND ANYONE ON THIS LIST? I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THEM. REMMENDATION ON ANY OF THESE NINE? >> Ricciardelli: I DON'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION. I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST THAT I KNOW WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, AND SO THERE'S PROBABLY SOMEBODY ON THIS LIST, THOUGH TO BE HONEST IT'S BEEN AWHILE, AND I CAN'T RECALL WHO WE MAY HAVE VOTED FOR PREVIOUSLY. >> Mayor Muns: IS THE PREVIOUS PERSON ON THIS LIST THAT WE VOTED FOR OR WOULD YOU REMEMBER THAT, LISA? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. TYPICALLY IN THE PAST YOU'VE KIND OF VOTED IN ALIGNMENT WITH LOUISVILLE ISD, BECAUSE THEY HAVE HIGH SCHOOL, THEY HAVE NOMINATED, ROY AT WOOD, ALEX BUCK. >> Mayor Muns: ANNE? >> UH-HUH, THOSE ARE THE THREE THAT THEY NOMINATED. >> Mayor Muns: WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT? >> Ricciardelli: I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE -- THAT WE SPLIT OUR VOTES AND GO ALONG WITH LOUISVILLE ISD, FOUR VOTES FOR ROY AT WOOD, FOUR VOTES FOR ALEX BUCK, AND FFOUR VOTES FOR ANNE. >> Mayor Muns: COULDN'T BE BETTER. DO I HAVE A SECOND. >> Smith : SECOND. >> Holmer: I'LL SECOND IT. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, PLEASE VOTE FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8. MOTION PASSES 7-0. COMMENTS ON PUBLIC INTEREST? >> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST, THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 MINUTE OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ITEMS ON THE CURRENT AGENDA, THE COUNCIL MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACT ACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION, THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. AND AS A REMINDER, PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH OR YELL INTO THE MICROPHONE AT THE PODIUM. AND WE DO HAVE BACK TO MY LIST, FOUR SPEAKERS THIS EVENING. THE FIRST ONE IS ALEXANDER STEIN. >> Mayor Muns: THE CITY OF PLANO AND THIS COUNCIL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM OUR CITIZENS VERY SERIOUSLY. WE ALWAYS WELCOME FEEDBACK ON HOW WE CAN MAKE OUR COMMUNITY BETTER AND WE TAKE SERIOUSLY OUR ROLE AS CITY GOVERNMENT. AND THE IMPORTANCE OF RESPECTING CITIZENS' TIME AND TAXPAYER RESOURCES, THERE YOU ARE. WE CONDUCT OURSELVES WITH EXCELLENCE AND FOCUS OUR AGENDA ON CITY BUSINESS IN RETURN. WE ASK THAT THOSE COME BEFORE US THE SAME LEVEL OF RESPECT. >> OKAY, YOU GUYS ARE RIDILOUS WITH THE SCAMS -- I CAN'T GET MY PHONE RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, GUYS, I'M REALLY FRUSTRATED, I'VE GOT MY CAT HERE. >> Mayor Muns: YOU HAVE PLENTY OF TIME. >> I DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TIME, MAYOR MUNS, YOU GUYS TRYING TO LIMIT ME, MAKE ME SPEAK AT THE END OF THE MEETING, YOU AREN'T THE FIRST CITY TO TRY TO PULL THIS GIMMICK, I'LL TELL YOU THAT MUCH, I'M A PIMP ON A BLIMP. YOU GUYS KNOW ME, I'M SUING YOU, YOU ARE TRYING TO BE REALLY CLEVER BY MAKING ME SPEAK AT THE END OF THE MEETING, JUST LIKE YOUR BALDING HAIR PATTERN, I GOIN TO E VERY END, MAYOR MUNS, YOU CAN SEE REALLY WELL FROM UP HERE. WE'RE ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT AWARENESS, I'M SICK OF ALL OF THESE PREGNANT WOMEN PUTTING THEIR CAT AT THE FREQUENTIN' SPCA, WE'VE GOT TO STAND UP FOR CAT RIGHTS, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, MAYOR MUNS? I LOVE THEM SO DAM MUCH, I'M TELLING YOU, A LOT OF WOMEN ARE LIKE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A CAT WHILE I'M PREGNANT, I DON'T WANT MY BABY TO COME OUT AUTISTIC, DON'T GET PREGNANT BY A DRUNK GUY SO YOUR BABY HAS FETAL ALCOHOL SYNDROME. I'M A PERFORMER, JUST LIKE ANTHONY RICCIARDELLI, WHICH I RESPECT, ANTHONY, I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT, I HAVE A LOT OF COLLEAGUES, I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH A LOT OF THE MEMBERS HERE AT THE COUNCIL, I WROTE A SONG, LIKE I USUALLY DO, BECAUSE I'M A PIMP ON A BLIMP, KIND OF A POEM SONG, CAN YOU SHOOT HIGHER UP ON ME SO YOU'RE NOT CUTTING MY HEAD, YOU'VE GOT THE WORST PRODUCTION QUALITY I'VE EVER SEEN, MAYOR MUNS, YOU'RE DOING THIS ON PURPOSE, YOU DON'T WANT TO SHOW MY BEAUTIFUL FACE, YOU DON'T WANT TO GET MILLIONS OF HITS ON THE INTERNET, THEY'RE CUTTING MY HEAD OFF, MAYOR MUNS, SEE IF I STAND LIKE THIS, IF I GO TO THE PODIUM, YOU GOT ME ALL MESSED UP, SO LET ME JUST SAY, I LOVE CATS, SO DAMN MUCH, THEIR FURRY BODIES I LOVE TO TOUCH. THEY POOP A LOT IN A BOX. THEIR TURDS HARDEN LIKE SOME OLD ASS ROCKS. THE SMELL IS BAD AND IT'S VERY OFFPUTTING. BUT NOT AS BAD AS BILL COSBY'S PUDDING. A CAT WON'T EVER RAPE YOU IN THE BOTTOM. BUT THEY ARE EVIL JUST LIKE HILLARY RODHAM. THE CLINTON FAMILY DRINKS CAT BLOOD, THEY WORSHIP SATAN AND LOVE NOAH'S FLOOD. CATCH WORSHIP IN ANCIENT TIMES, BECAUSE THEY DON'T BUST YOU FOR FELONY CRIMES. DRUG DOGS NEED TO GO, CATCH IT LEGALLY ALLOWED TOELL BLOW. DOGS ARE BITCHES AND CATS ARE HOs, THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE SHARP BLADES FOR TOES. PLASMOSIS AIN'T THAT BAD, YOUR BABY IS ALREADY RETARDED FROM HIS DUMB ASS DAD. I DON'T CARE IF YOU GET INFECTED. I'M PRIME TIME 99 ALEX STEIN. THE WITHLD CITYEEDSO STAND UP FOR CATS. I'M SORRY TO SKY BEAR. KYLE, YOU DID A GREAT JOB, YOU'RE THE REAL MVP. THANK YOU, GUYS. GIVE IT UP FOR KYLE. LOOK HOW CUTE HE IS, KYLE. PODIUM CAT, GET A SELFIE CAT. >> City Clerk: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS DIGGER BARNES. >> ESTEEMED COLLEAGUES AND COUNCILMEN, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE AND SPEAK TO YOU THIS EVENING. I AM HERE FOR A VERY URGENT REASON. THE CHILDREN OF PLANO ARE BEING MISLED BY A SATANIC MARKETING CAMPAIGN TO TURN SANTCA HOMOSEXUAL. I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS. Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO PLAY WITH SANTA. Y'ALL ARE GOING TO GET THE HORNES BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH JESUS IS BLACK, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, THAT DON'T MEAN HE WAS A TRANSSEXUAL TOO. SO Y'ALL NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING. START PERPETUATING A BLACK SANTA. LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN LONG BEFORE NOW. AND ALL PUBLIC DISPLAY AREAS IN THE CITY FACILITIES AND THROW AWAY ANY LBGTQ OR GAY-RELATED CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS. SANTA CLAUS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BLACK ME MAN IN MY BOOK, IF Y'ALL THINK I'M MAKING A JOKE, WHAT DOES SANTA DO, HE LIKES TO BRE AND ENTER PLACES ILLEGALLY A NIGHT AND BLACK PEOPLE ARE THE BEST AT BREAKING AND ENTERING AT NIGHT. WHAT DOES SANTA LIKE TO DO? STEAL FROM THE RICH AND GIVE TO THE POOR. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SANTA DOES, HE STEALS FROM THE CORPORATION, LIKE TARGET, AND GIVES IT TO LATINO AND ASIAN KIDS WHO GET GOOD GRADES. AS YOU KNOW, AFRICAN-AMERICANS REALLY STRUGGLE WITH TYPE II DIABETES, SO YOU KNOW WE BE FAT AND EATING COOKIES ALL DAM DAY LIKE SANTA. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ACCUSED ME OF BEING BISEXUAL, AND THAT'S FINE, BUT I'M NOT ABOUT TO HAVE A BISEXUAL KRIS KRINGLE COMING INTO MY CHILDREN'S BEDROOMS. THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING KRIS HANSON, PREDATOR STUFF, IF YOU ASK ME, A BLACK MAN DON'T EVER BE A PEDOPHILE REALLY, SO WE NEED TO STOP LETTING THESE WHITE PEDOPHILE SANTA CLAUS ALL UP IN THESE CHILDREN'S HOUSES SINGING DRAG QUEEN CHRISTMAS CAROLS. SANTA CLAUS NEED TO GO BACK TO BEING A SCARY ASS BLACK MAN THAT DON'T GOT NO GAS, SO THAT'S WHY HE'S GOT TO RIDE ON REINDEERS, AND NO, I DON'T THINK ELVES ARE SLAVES, BUT I KNOW Y'ALL POLITICIANS ARE BASICALLY WHITE SLA MASTERS. >> Mor Muns: YOURIME IS UP. >> THANK YOU. >> NEXT SPEAKER IS TINY ALLEN CROSS. >> HOW IS EVERYONE DOING TONIGHT? HELLO, MY NAME IS BIG NASTY, AND I'M ONE PROUD STRONG BLACK MAN TODAY BECAUSE MY COUSIN JEFFERSON WAS DERRICK CHAVIN IN PRISON, I'M SAD ABOUT MY COUSIN WAS NOT ABLE TO FINISH THE JOB. I'M A PROUD MEMBER OF THE BLACK LIVES MATTER, I WILL STAND UP FOR BLACK WOMEN AND CHILDREN. GEORGE FLOYD MAY HAVE BEEN MURDERED UNJUSTLY, HIS LEGACY WILL BE REMEMBERED IN THE SAME VEIN ASALCO X, AND MARTIN LUTHER KING. I'M DEMAND THAT MY COUSIN BE PARDONED FOR THE ATTEMPTED MURDER OF DAVONTE, HE MAY BE IN JAIL FOR LIFE BECAUSE OF A BAD BATCH OF FENTANYL THAT HE SOLD TO THE CARTEL. SHOOT, I BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD JUST ERECT A NEW STATUE OF MY COUSIN STABBING DERRICK CHAVIN IN HOUSTON, TEXAS, MAYBE Y'ALL CAN MAKE A DAVONTE MONUMENT OUTSIDE THIS JOINT RIGHT HERE. I HAVE TO BE HONEST, THOUGH, I DO BE GAMBLING AT THE LEGAL POKER HOUSES IN PLANO, AND I DO BE WINNING, BUT I TALKED TO THE MANAGER, GARY, HE SAID HE WOULD BE WILLING TO DONATE TO MY COUSIN'S COMMISSARY IN PRISON, I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA, IF ANY OF THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORTMY COUSIN AND PUT UP SOME MONEY AND HIS PRISON BOOK, YOU CAN CASH ME A LL SIGN BLACK JACK DOLLARS. MY CASH APP IS MONEY SIGN, BLACK JACK DALLAS ALL ONE WORD. ALL THE PROCEEDS GO TO MY COUSIN AND WE WILL MAKE SURE NEXT TIME THAT THE JOB GETS DONE AND WE WILL FINISH DERRICK CHAVIN'S ASS LIKE THE VIDEO GAME MORTAL COMBAT, I KNOW THE SONG TWITTER, A LOT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO SAY GEORGE FLOYD OVERDOSED AND DERRICK CHOVIN IS NOT TO -- HE HAD A STRON TOLERANCE, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE FENTANYL AND TURNED OUT TO BE FINE, AND STOP BLAMING THAT INSTEAD OF DERRICK CHAVIN. A LITTLE WORD OF ADVICE, IF YOU'RE A RACIST HONKY, TRYING TO BRING THE BLACK MAN DEAD, FORGET ABOUT IT, YOU SHOULD NEVER PUT YOUR FEET ON A BLACK MAN'S NECK, BECAUSE IF YOU DO, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THE CHECK. ONCE AGAIN, MY CASH APIS MONEY SIGN BLACK JACK DOLLARS, ALSO WANT TO SAY YES, Y'ALL SHOULD FREE R. KELLY, NOT BECAUSE R. KELLY IS INNOCT, BUT BECAUSE THEY MIGHT RETALIATE TO TRY TO STAB R. KELLY, BECAUSE THE WHITE SUPREMACY GANG DON'T PLAY IN PRISON. FREE MY BOY, REST IN PEACE GEORGE FLOYD, AND ANY BIG BOOTY HOES THAT WANT TO GET IN CONTACT WITH ME, HIT MY CASH APP UP AT BLACK JACK DALLAS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> THE LAST SPEAKER IS JOYA THEA'S TRAVETTI. >> THROUGH HERE? OKAY, GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS JOY TRAVETTI, THIS IS MY PARTNER, OLIVER, WE ARE BOTH SENIORS AT PLANO HIGH SCHOOL, TODAY WE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. SO LAST SPRING MY MOTHER ASKED HER SUNDAY SCHOOL STUDENTS ONE THING THEY WOULD WISH FOR. ACROSS THE ROOM, 8-YEAR-OLDS SPOKE OF THEIR DREAMS ABOUT HOUSES WITH YARDS, A ROOM OF THEIR OWN, OR JUST A SAFE PERMANENT PLACE TO CALL THEIR HOME. THIS -- SORRY, THIS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THE MAGNITUDE AND SEVERITY OF THIS PROBLEM. SO I DECIDED TO DIG DEEPER WITH MY FRIEND OLIVER TO UNDERSTAND THE ROOT ISSUES CONCERNING THE LAC OF STABLE HSING IN OUR COMMUNITY. >> THE OBSERVATIONAL STUDY WE'RE ABOUT TO PRESENT TO YOU HERE TODAY IS NOT INTENDED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A SOLUTION, RATHER WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROBLEM IS EXTRAORDINAIRE COMPLEX AND HAS BEEN ADDRESSED YEARS OF HARD WORK BY YOU, OUR MAYOR, FELLOW ESTABLISHED MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, AND OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. WOULD SIMPLY LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT WE HAVE DISCOVERED THROUGH OUR WORK IN THE HOPES THAT WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE CONTINUED EFFORTS TO PROVIDE SUSTAINABLE HOUSING FOR ALL PLANO RESIDENTS. BASED ON THREE FACTORS, WE CHOSE TWO CITIES TO COMPARE ANO , THE FIRSTEING N FNCISCO. IT'S A STRONG EXAMPLE WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE PRIMARY ISSUE IS THE EXCESSIVE REGULATION PLACED ON SAN FRANCISCO HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. LAWS NEED TO APPROVE BUILDINGS SUCH AS TRANSIT SUSTAINABILITY AND CHILD CARE FEES, THE STRINGENT REGULATIONS ACT AS BARRIERS TO CONSTRUCTION, FURTHERMORE THIS HAS RESULTED IN HIGHLAND VALUE CONTINUES TO DRIVE UP HOUSING COSTS MAKING IT DIFCULT FOR LOW INCOME RESIDENTS TO FIND AFFORDABLE OPTIONS, DRAWING UPON THE LESSONS FROM SAN FRANCISCO, WE ADVICE THAT PLANO WOULD NEED TO HAVE REGULATORY FRAMEWORKS TO ENSURE THEY DON'T HINDER AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. >> SO MOVING TO THE OPPOSITE END OF THE SPECTRUM, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE CITY OF CHARLOTTE NORTH CAROLINA, WHILE HAVING THE FASTEST GROWING POPULATION COMPARED TO SAN FRANCISCO AND PLANO, THE REASON FOR THE SLIDES, ITS CLEAR-CUT FRAMEWORK, THE CITYAS ESTABLISHED IN 2018 NAMING HOUSING CHART, THERE ARE THREE MAIN PILLARS, EXPANDING SUPPLY, PRESERVING AFFORDABILITY AND SUPPORTING FAMILY SELF-SUSTAINABILITY. UNDER THESE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, CHARLOTTE HAS EFFECTIVE PROGRAMS SUCH AS A HOUSING TRUST FUND WHICH HAS CONTRIBUTED 12,000 UNITS OVER 20 YEARS, WHICH LEADS US TO OUR MAJOR RECOMMENDATION. >> BASED ON OBSERVATIONS FOR CHARLOTTE OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR PLANO TO ESTABLISH A TRUST FUND, THROUGH VOTER APPROVED, INVESTMENT COMPANIES, FAITH BASED COMMUNITIES, ABLE TO CONTRIBU APPROXIMATELY $1.6 BILLION IN 21 YEARS TO BE USED AS LOWER DEVELOPMENT COST, TRUST FUND WILL EXPEDITE AND ALLOW DEVELOPERS TO LOWER RENT, SUGGEST ASSISTANCE IN ADDITION TO EXPANDING THE SECTOR 8 PROGRAM WHICH WE BELIEVE HAS BEEN UNDER UTILIZED IN PLANO HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. >> CAN YOU SEND THAT TO MY E-MAIL, MARK I AT PLANO.GOV, I CAUGHT ABOUT EVERY THIRD WORD. >> Mayor Muns: WE WILL GET PRENTATION TO THE CITY. GO AHEAD AND FINISH. YOU'VE WAITED LONG ENOUGH. >> THANK YOU. SO JUST WANTED TO SUMMARIZE BY LEARNING FROM OTHER CITIES AND CUSTOMIZING THEIR POLICIES TO FIT INTO OUR LOCAL NEEDS, WE CAN WORK TOWARD AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR ALL RESIDENT OF PLANO, WE HOPE WE HAVE GIVEN YOU INSIGHT DESPITE THE RUSH. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU YOU GUY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. IT WAS A VERY NICE WAY TO FINISH THIS MEETING. >> WE HAVE A LOT MORE, IT WA JUST, YOU KW. >> Mayor Muns: BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, WE'RE ADJOURNED.