of 7 o'clock. We will call the town board meeting for August Whoops. Yep. Sorry. August 4th, 2025 to order. Uh first item on the agenda is the agenda. Patrick got anything? Yeah, Mr. Chair, if it pleases the board, um please add 5F under consent agenda. It's a temporary on sale liquor license for Township Day. That was added to our packet. It was. Yeah, we had amended. It's already been there. Yeah, I know. Catch up. Catch up. I'm just making note of it. Sorry. Okay. Well, that and CJ is requesting that we move uh item 7B, which is a public hearing to the last thing on our agenda in case the applicants don't show in time. Okay. Other than that, any other changes? Not from staff, Mr. Chair. Board have anything? I do not. All right. I need a motion to approve the agenda as amended. So moved. Second. All in favor? Oh, wait. I'm sorry. One thing. Um, I do want to pull consent agenda E. Well, we'll talk about it when we get there. All right. All in favor say I. I. All opposed. All right. Item three is approval payment of the bills. You sign off. I signed off. Move to approve payment of the bills. Second. All in favor? I. All right. All right. Item four is approval of prior meeting minutes. This is from July 21st. Either of you have any corrections? I do not. Do not. I'll make a motion to approve the meetings of July 21st, 2025. And I'll second that. All in favor say I. I. And for the record, I was not here, so I will abstain on the vote. All right. Item five is a consent agenda item. Um, I believe what three, six, well, plus the added seven. And I would like to pull 5E. Other than that, you have a problem with the rest any of them? Not me. Not me. All right. I need to I need a motion to approve those six. Make a motion to approve with the uh changes by the chair. I'll second that. All in favor say I. All opposed. All right. Uh the reason I want to pull 5e is our uh recording secretary Megan Kavanagh is going to be done as in uh December. Correct. But I'd like to just give a a public shout out to her because she's been our recording secretary here now for what, boy? Almost seven years. She started a few weeks after I did. And uh I I know she's done a great job. A lot of times she's doing this uh offsite, but uh it it's it's a lot to ask of her because these meetings can get somewhat convoluted and she's trying to unscramble them for us. So she's gotten no used to our characteristics there, Ed. Yeah. And then plus too, I would like to is staff going to work on some sort of um commemorative. Okay. All right. You folks have anything else? All right. Otherwise, I need a motion to receive her uh resignation. I'll move to accept the item that was pulled item 5 yet shows up on the consent agenda. I'll second. All in favor say I. All opposed. All right. Moving on. Item six is uh this is old business. 5970 Highway 61 site ordinance. Who CJ? You gonna take that one? I am. Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is an old business in a way. Um, it's more of an addition to an old business, so it's sort of new. At 5970 Highway 61 North is the Circle K gas station local located in the northeastern portion of the township. Um, owned by Holiday Station Stores. Um the applicant Karen Dodge who is applying on behalf of Circle Khol Station is applying for a variance to signage ordinance number 33. The reason this is not a public hearing is because the ordinance number 33 deals with variances differently than how a typical zoning variance would be dealt with. So there's no necessary public hearing. In the past, it's been referred to as an exception to the ordinance. Um to keep that a bit more clear, the subject parcel is in the general business zoning district and it has contained Holiday Gas station for a long time and was rebranded to Circle K. In August 2023, the property was approved with an amended permitted use standards and in May of 2025, a variance for signage similar to today's was approved. The ordinance number 33 under section 6-9 provides the variance criteria, which we'll go over shortly. In addition, section 3-13 states that on-site directional signs intended to facilitate the movement of pedestrians and vehicles within the site upon which such signs are located are limited to not more than two signs per lot with square footage for directional signs not exceeding 25 total square feet in area. A variance from that section was granted in May 2025. Circle K was approved for four directional signs which exceeds the min for the maximum of two. The applicant is returning for an additional variance to allow a fifth sign to direct traffic toward the car wash. This is a car wash sign that would be mounted onto the wall of the building on the I guess this the western facing southern portion of the wall. It's a larger sign than the other ones reviewed earlier this year. It would total totaling 40 square feet of directional signage. So this variance would be to increase from four to five directional signs and increase to 40 square feet of directional signage. Although it is a wall sign, so it's not obstructing view like some other directional signs uh could have concern for. Um one thing to note is that currently there are two existing car wash signs on the wall. So, if you face the convenience store entrance, there's a car wash sign on the left hand side of the door and on the right hand side of the door directing traffic to the car wash. These signs were not located on their signage plan from May. So, they were not counted toward their previous variance and it was not known that those existed. Otherwise, they would have been counted toward that variance application request um and they or they would have been asked to be removed. So, the applicant is aware of our request for them to take down both signs uh regardless of the results of the application tonight um to ensure that their signage, their directional signage is in compliance with that previous ordinance that we passed. Um to evaluate the request, the comprehensive plan doesn't address signage. Um there are high traffic volumes on both of the roadways, um Highway 61 and County Road J. of directional signage in the past has been permitted to ensure safety of truck and vehicle movement and pedestrian movement as well on this busy intersection. The initial variance criteria are in italics with the planning findings following it in your staff report. So the first is the strict enforcement of this ordinance would cause undue hardship because of circumstances unique to the individual property or sign under consideration. Um while the previous variance was approved with a finding that it would be um causing undue hardship in order to ensure the safety of vehicle movement. Uh we don't believe this criteria is met because no undue hardship is expected to occur without the car wash directional sign. Such variances granted or such variances shall be granted only when it's demonstrated that a request will be in keeping with the spirit and intent of the ordinance. The intent of the um signage ordinance is to promote public health, safety and welfare and establish standards um for erecting sign symbols and markings. The variance request would be inconsistent with that. So that criteria is met. Economic considerations do not seem to be a motivator. So that criteria is met. And directional signage is permitted within the B2 district. Uh so it is permitted in the ordinance. So that criteria is met. only one criterion is does not appear to be met. However, when the U planning commission reviewed the request, the planning commission did re review it and recommend approval of the um variance request. Staff also reviewed this. Um township staff and Minnesota Department of Transportation staff. There were no additional comments. Um the county had a few questions regarding their past signage. um and some clarification on sight lines and such, but doesn't seem to be any any concerns there. Um no comments from Rice Creek Wershed District, the city of Hugo, or the township engineer. Uh tonight, you have three options to approve the variance with or without conditions, deny the request for with findings for why there's denial, or table it for further review or study by the applicant or staff. staff and the planning commission recommend the board review the variance criteria and consider um a few things before making a final decision. So variance was approved in May allowing 16 square ft for four directional signs. There are two existing on the west side and west side of the building which we would request they remove in the town signage ordinance. Um the town signage ordinance variance criteria one is not met. Um so based on those considerations, do you have any questions? Well, they can put all the signs they want up, but I actually frequent this gas station and I can tell you the sign that they really need is no standing because the lane you're talking about, you got the ice guy there, you got the salt guy there, you got any truck that wants to park up, they're always clogging it up. They'll never, you know, people just won't. So, it's You talking about end of the building? Yep. I'm talking about when you go around the corner to go to the car wash. Yeah. There's always somebody there at the very end. It's generally a big truck of some sort and they don't care. They always park there. And I can tell you they did it this week cuz I've tanked up. Anything else? Nope. That's all. Dave, well, I do understand what uh member Artner says. However, the existing signs do absolutely no have no value to the car wash. Mhm. Um and and it I don't see where it hurts anything to have it down at the other end. Oh, it's fine, but I'm just laughing. I go with no standing if you want to be effective. Yeah. I I don't know how they can avoid people or trucks parking down there, but you know, this whole thing got created when when they added the diesel things behind it and and they're trying to make it more safe. So, they think it's going to help. I don't have a problem with it personally. Anything else? No. Uh, couple things. Does this signage or traffic flow interfere with that building to the south? I know. In fact, I'm not even sure what's in there now or or it's sitting vacant. That thing's bounced around. So, I thought it was actually vacant again. I was just curious with all this going on if if the owner had any input on what's what what's going on with the traffic movement. And then the second thing I got is I know we're getting old and blind, but do we need a 4x6 sign? That seems excessive for the side of the building. That actually looks a little intrusive when you look at it. But was that even brought up? No. Or that's just what they wanted. And um unfortunately I was not able to attend the planning commission meeting, but Supervisor Rousk was. Yeah, it was never brought up. Not uh is the applicant here? They are not tonight. No. I like I said to me it just seemed a little over the top but it's over the top too. I think it's ineffective. So right you could you have the options to make that smaller. Well, is it just me? Well, I you know to best point if if a vehicle is parked in front of it, it doesn't matter if it's six feet high or it's going to be blocked. So, all right. That's my only comment other than that. Any other questions to staff? No. All right. What's the pleasure of the board? I'll go along with it if if it the crowd, but I just to me it's kind of pointless. So, you're making a motion. Oh, I thought you were asking my opinion. Sorry. Okay. So, I I thought he was ask getting a consensus here. I thought he was asking for a motion. Um, yes, I am. Okay. So, the uh issue is to uh approve an exception to the to the uh ordinance. Is that what we're really doing? That's correct. And there is a resolution included with Yes. I'll I'll move to uh pass a resolution approving the exception to section 3-13 of the ordinance number 33 for 5970 highway 61 with the conditions that those other signs are removed as noted also with the conditions that are listed on the packet. Yes, believe there's five of them. Yes, I'll second. All right, motion's made second. All in favor say I. I. All opposed. All right, that motion carries. All right, moving on. We have a public hearing. This is for 2350 Carro J. Uh, I need a motion to wave the reading. I'll move to wave the reading that was properly published. I'll second. All in favor say I. I. All oppose. Then I need a motion to open up the public hearing. I'll move to open the public hearing. Second. All in favor? I. CJ, you got this, too? I do. Uh, thank you, Mr. This one's not going to be as easy. No, I'll speak very clearly. Um, this is a request for a conditional use permit for a cannabis micro business at 2340 County Road J. This is located in the light industrial district, the I1 district in the northeast section of town. It is an application from Jim Falner with Falner Properties LLC who owns the two buildings on this property. The applicant is requesting consideration of the CUP for the business at 2340 and 2350 County Road J for the cannabis micro business which allows them to cultivate and process cannabis plants for wholesale to OCM licensed retailers. The applicant is proposing a businessto business um model. So there would not be direct uh sales to just everyday customers, no on-site consumption or anything like that. just producing um product for other businesses to purchase. There's no expansion of the existing building proposed in the scope. Um the new space will be remodeled on the interior to allow for some grow rooms, new lighting, um and whatever other office needs they may need, which they would be required to get building and electric permits and such for as well. The cannabis micro business is anticipated to operate similarly business-to business wholesalers and as I stated prior it would not include retail dispensary sales to the public nor would it include an on-site consumption space. The cup process is governed by the zoning ordinance section 9-4. Um so the cup requires review by the planning commission and recommendation. The planning commission did recommend approval at their June 26th meeting. After that recommendation is made, the town board has the option of approving, denying, or tableabling this request. The applicant is proposing you to use portions of both buildings for their business. Um, with the address 2350 containing just over 3,000 square ft and the building address 2340 containing just under 3,000 ft of area. The spaces will have a grow and dry room, a processing space, packaging and product storage, as well as some offices, offices, and a conference room. A cannabis micro business since there are a lot of different types of cannabis businesses defined in our ordinance and the office of cannabis management ordinance. The micro business is defined as a business licensed to operate as a cannabis micro business by the Minnesota Office of Cannabis Management. And the use is subject to general performance standards which would include following all of the office of cannabis management which I'll call OCM just to save us some words. Um all of the OCM um requirements must be complied with. Um, so they'll have to submit for approval to the OCM for all things such as um storage of their of their product and disposal of waste properly as well as a waste management plan. The use must only be permitted within the enclosed structure. So no outdoor storage or consumption um of this product is permitted nor is disposal outdoor permitted within the township. The number of licensed cannabis retailers um is limited. Uh however, this is limited for retail operations. However, this is not a retail operation. The applicant has provided a narrative describing the security measures. um proposed. So there will be door controls and motion sensors with from a specific company security reporting service for monitoring. They'll have be they'll have cameras installed in all areas. Alarms will be reported to Schmidt security incorporated and as part of the license process the applicant must in uh must submit a security plan to the state OCM. The applicant has also provided information on how the business intends to handle waste including delivering organic waste to an OCM approved recycling facility. Additionally, um a management plan is required by OCM. So to get the state license following township approval, they would need to provide the state with these sorts of management plans. The applicant intends to install met mechanical equipment in all of the growrooms to regulate temperature, humidity, and circulation. Um, this will take fresh air in and exhaust room air to create um necessary air movement for plant development. Um, so there will be air exchanges used throughout the facility which also aids in odor management. Again, the applicant is only propos proposing cultivation within within the enclosed structure. So, there's no outdoor cannabis cultivation nor storage. The applicant is also not proposing any storage outdoor storage of lower potency hemp edible products um which is often a question such as like edibles and um THC drinks and such. The proposed cannabis micro business doesn't contain any retail dispensary endorsement. So they are not allowed to sell retail. Even if they change their mind, they would need to go back to OCM to get that license. Um and then also come back for an amendment to a cup if granted. As I stated prior, section 94 outlines the cup procedure. All of the all of the criteria do appear to be met. The use is located entirely within existing buildings. There's no proposed site improvements. They have provided information on how they'll handle waste, security, and odor. And they will be required to follow all OCM license processes. Again, they're required to comply with all license requirements from OCM, including utility usage, solid waste disposal, um loss and theft of any product if that occurs. Um, so it is understood that this business will not negatively affect the health, safety or welfare of the township. The use is required to maintain compliance with all state and local fire codes. Um, so everything would need to be up to code for our fire inspectors. Um, as well as following the codes provided by OCM. TJ, is that does that mean um fire suppression? Yes. Okay. Um, both buildings. Yes. Okay. The applicant is required to comply with all um sewer availability and water availability charges. So those would have to be followed as well. The applicant is not proposing anything that would have in impact on the natural scenic or historical environment. So that criteria is also met. The proposed use does not is not expected to depreciate the value of adjacent property since everything is contained within it is not retail. Um and there are no outdoor there are no exterior changes proposed at the time and since the applicant is not proposing exterior changes the next criteria is also met. Um the building it will remain as is. So it will continue to be harmonious with the grounds adjacent uh buildings and properties. And then the proposed use shall organize vehicular access and parking to minimize traffic congestion. Um the proposed use does not have explicit parking standards in um ordinance number 35 the zoning ordinance. However, it would function similarly to warehouse. Um they have enough parking to satisfy those parking requirements. Uh per the zoning ordinance. The parking needs would actually be a reduction from what was previously previously there. Previously it was an office space. And the use will not be to service members of the public. Um, however, they may have small vehicles coming to pick up shipments. This would not include large trucks. Uh, it would be licensed OCM delivery people in um, I guess normalsized vehicles like the ones you probably drove here tonight. The proposed use will preserve and incorporate the site's natural scenic features because no changes are expected. um impact of noise, glare, and odor, which will probably be the biggest question tonight. Um the applicant is required to submit mechanical plans um to ensure that ventilation and filtration systems are sufficient. They're also required to meet the nuisance ordinance here, so if any complaints do come in and we can evaluate that as they come. The proposed use shall preserve the objectives of the ordinance and the comprehensive plan and that is met. Um the township has adopted these standards for a reason and they are consistent with the standards in the ordinance and the comp plan. The project plans were forwarded to staff and agencies. The fire inspector did comment uh discussing that any building remodel and design needs to be approved by the township as well as by the um the fire inspector inspection needs to be passed. Um he had a note about hazardous materials. He noted that it wouldn't hold up the planning um planning approval or denial. However, they will need to um make sure that their buildings are structured properly for hazardous materials. Um a few public comments have been received. There have been a few um discussions and phone calls after the public hearing went out with um staff about what the extent of the application is and it was mostly residents um questioning what was going on and whether or not there would be retail sales or consumption or if this could cause any public safety hazard. Um mainly the questions were surrounding public safety u and the use of cannabis on site. Um and so staff had explained to them what the extent of the application is. The town board has a few options for the conditional use permit request. You may approve the request with or without conditions. You may deny the request with finding for denial or you may table the request for further review and study. Um, following action, uh, if approved tonight, the Office of Cannabis Management will then need to reach out to the township requesting zoning compliance. So, once the Office of Cannabis Management reaches out and we provide them with the approval, uh, if so, choosing to approve tonight, um, then the applicant would receive an Office of Cannabis Management license, but only then. So OCM is waiting for our compliance and our approval of the zoning um conditional use permit prior to issuing the license. Now if the office of cannabis management chooses not to issue the license, then this conditional use permit would be void because the use could not even begin. Um so then it wouldn't ever go into effect. Um so staff would recommend that the town board approve this conditional use permit with um eight conditions. The first being that the applicant is required to completely satisfy the state office of cannabis management licensing for a cannabis micro business including submission of plans such as a security plan, waste management plan and med and a mechanical plan showing that the use will comply with the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency standards on odors. No orders may affect adjacent properties. Um that's in compliance with state and local um laws. The business shall only conduct with OCM licensed retailers. So there will be no um businessto business with somebody that does not have an OCM license. No outdoor cultivation is permitted. No outdoor storage of cannabis products is permitted. No outdoor storage of lower potency hemp edible products is permitted. No on-site consumption is permitted. The use is required to maintain compliance with all state, local, building, fire, and zoning requirements, and the applicant is required to pay all um sewer availability and water availability charges. Included in the packet is an email between an applicant uh or excuse me, a resident who provided comment as well as a drafted conditional use permit if the board chooses to approve with these eight um conditions as well as a resolution for approving a conditional use permit for both addresses. Um resolution number 2558. Right off the bat, does the board have any initial questions, Beth? Nope. No, but I do for the applicant. Nothing. Okay. Uh, in here it says, um, the Minnesota Office of Cannabis Management does have specific requirements. One of them says use of a statewide monitoring system related to the business. How's that different from the security system that they're proposing? thought that was in compliance with Good question. It's on page 74 of the packet. Yeah. I'm just curious. I don't whether it's a private business or this says statewide monitoring. I'm not familiar with the exact regulations, but I'll pull it up and see if I can't discern that. Or um if our attorney Chad has any comments, he can jump in too. Chad, you any thought on that? I guess I don't I'm not sure what that means. Well, my understanding is that they have to comply with local, which would be the county Ramsey County Sheriff's regulations, but there may be the statewide monitoring. I've not seen anything about that, but it I don't doubt it exists. All right. So, just where we're clear, too, it it seems like the cart before the horse is confusing here because they have to get our approval tonight before they can finish applying to the OCM and then the OCM's going to get back to us and say if it's if their license is in compliance. No, that's not the way it works. The OCM will send a certification, zoning certification out to the township and the township will then send that back to the OCM indicating that the site does meet does comply with zoning code. Though this conditional use permit is necessary for the township to send that uh send that certification back to the state. But when will the OCM reach out to us then? Well, when they're ready to issue the light before they issue the license, it's convoluted. Well, not Yeah, convoluted is one way of putting it. Um, this is just an indication how far behind the OCM is in doing in in rec and uh investigating and preparing it license applications, reviewing it license applications because they should have gotten I you would have thought they would have contacted the township by now, but they clearly haven't. Well, that's what I've seen in previous um minutes and stuff that they were going to contact us to at least give us a heads up that this application's coming. That's the way the statute reads. The statute reads that OCM as part of the licensing procedure will contact local local municipality, local zoning authority to determine whether or not the site chosen by the applicant meets zoning requirements. I mean, we've already got a lot of time invested in this with staff and the applicant, but yet they seem to be well, the state that says everything, but they seem to be a little mixed up on the the process. And see, the problem is this, as I see it, is the reason I think we have to consider it is that, you know, there's a certain we have a certain time period in which to deal with zoning applications, you know, statute 1590. And that's independent of what the OCM is doing. So really you're really uh initially the position that I had taken with um with Evan uh and then CJ was that we shouldn't consider this until they have a license. But actually the way the process works, we really have to look at this independent of the OCM issuing the license and make it from the standpoint of but make it contingent. Yeah. Contingent on the zoning and the zoning activity, the zoning function, the zoning permit function has to be considered independent of the OCM licensing procedure. So what we're saying is uh Mr. Faulner's doing all the the groundwork to get this zoning change and he may not be the successful lency. Exactly. Oh, so it's assumption of risk. Obviously, it's a risky Mr. Falcon is taking the risk that that you know he will get a license. All right. Any other questions of staff? No. No. In fact, Actually, if I may, I would recommend if you Well, when we get to before you approve the if you decide to approve the conditional use permit, I have a couple recommendations on that permit. All right. If there's no other questions of staff, I need a motion to open it up for public comment. I'll move to open the hearing up for public comment. Second. All in favor say I. All opposed. Uh the applicants here, you want to start us off or you don't want to? Is there anybody here to comment? Well, it's up to you. You got to come up. Uh, name and address for the record. Okay. I think Steve has a question for you. Yep. Uh, Jim Falner, owner of Falner Property LLC, uh, business 2350 County Road J, White Bear Township, and residence 2622 Wester Court, White Township. And, uh, I am the applicant. I'm the owner of the buildings, and they did a very nice job. staff's done a great job with presenting. Um I kind of clear up your question um regarding the monitoring. What they're referring to is the what they call the seed to sale software which monitors our first plantings of product of plants through the sale by retailers. So the state makes sure that they get their tax money. That's that's the referral. It is uh it is nothing more than we have to purchase and maintain uh the companion software to the metric software that the state has that legislation has ordered LCM to uh abide by and they will uh we will in effect have a barcode on every single plant while it's in our possession. Okay. So this I guess maybe when I read it I was assuming it had something to do with the security system but it doesn't. No. No. That's all like OCM is is is we'll have and we've uh submitted OCM as part of our application detailed security information which is uh planner sakes also identified. Um yes the process is just a bit confused. Um we are in the micro business application where there are no lotteryies. If once we once we get through their approvals they will give us a license. We are currently in the um computer system review process which has not worked out very well for OCM and they're having some great difficulty. So um they cannot advise us when we will be moving beyond that because they don't know themselves. We were we were hoping that they would be done sometime by mid August and then if we have our approvals from the township. Uh one of the the two real key elements that every applicant must have the other being a place of business which many many of the applicants don't have a place of business yet. So we're hoping to have that done by this time but they've run into some very real serious problems with their approvals are attempting to straighten them out. um they they really aren't communicating with us much at all. You know, we're we're one of somewhere between 150 and 225 micro business applicants of which 90% are seeking retailing and about 10% of us are actually grow operations. So even after tonight, if this does get an approval, you're on standby till they give you a license more or less. Yes, we're we're we're waiting. We have we have been we've gone through one part of the process that we have approval on and now we're we're in the second of five of the approval processes and that one is apparently not moving along very well. So all right Steve my question u couple questions one has to do with they said there's no change to the exterior of the building uh 2340 and 2350 you have they're both your properties. Yes. Well, the one of the inquiries had to do with 2340 and that there's mail confusion, mail delivery confusion for another business. No, the business will be will be mail destination will be 2350. Okay. But their concern is that they already have um people trying to deliver mail at 2340 and they want to know if there's any way to u basically put a sign there that that's not where the mail delivery for your two properties is is they need to go to 2350 are addressed. Well, there must be a problem. I don't know why they would say that there's a problem with the delivery or who does it identicate who it is for tenants in the building. Uh what's their Yeah, Capra Properties. Yep. The c the comment came from Chris Capra of Capra's Utilities, Inc. Oh, no. They're on They're on Liel Street. Oh, so the numbers the numbers the same street address. Okay. So, that is not 20 not your not your 2340. No, no, there's a 23 capital's four buildings on Libel Street. There's a 2340 Liel Street. Yeah, there's also a 2340 County Road J. Officer Faulner's property on the on the J. So that that's really so that's on the mail issue. The other question I had really had to do with the security plan um the security company how what the concerns again for anybody in the area is how fast of response and what what kind of security I system is this going to really entail. So, okay. Well, it it's it's probably no different than we have had or and have for most of my tenants already in the building. Um, it's motion detectors, door controls. Um, that's that's pretty much it. You know, we have door controls in and out and motion detectors that are all tied to um a separate alarm system from our fire. We're fully sprinklered. So, we have our alarm system for our fire protection. It'll be in in essence the same way that you have in any security in any building. Um if somebody attempts to open a door, the alarm will go off and and our monitoring will be be notified just as if we had a sprinkle headbreak or something. I guess yeah, I guess that's the the question is what what kind of response is acceptable or are you getting today for any violations of your security system? Which I already have in in the building. We have four different people who are all on contact. Okay. and and four different um I have I have myself, a property and a property manager um and and a assistant property manager and a relative who are all on the the um cascading call list if somebody attempts to get in. Uh we discussed and we've checked with Ramsey County Sheriff's Department about uh about monitoring a call in from them. They weren't too excited about that. Yeah. Uh and so we you know we didn't we didn't discuss it any further. Uh they said well if you want to make application you can but generally that's your business and you know you deal with it. If you find that somebody has broken in then you call us. Well so when the monitoring or when the alarm goes off it goes to a monitoring company and then they contact you. Me us and the monitoring company simultaneously. Okay. And then it's up to you guys' decision if you call the sheriff. We'll call we'll proceed to go inspect. Yeah. Yeah, which which we're already doing. We get fire we get fire system call us low air on our compressors just happened this last outage. It's something you do as a property manager. It's just the fear of the unknown product that you're growing. I guess you know we just want to make sure that that it's been thought through because it'll disappear quickly as things happen. There would be a breakin for not a lot of value unfortunately. Well, there you go. But they don't know that maybe necessarily. Well, live and learn. True. Okay. Anything else? Nope. Uh on the site plan, it's it shows Township Enterprise lease. What What is that? Okay, that is our tenant. Township Enterprise Enterprise Corporation is the tenant that will be operating the micro business. The application to OCM is by Township Enterprise and that's that's that's my tenant that I've signed a lease with to operate the business. Okay. Because it on the outfront it it looks like the township's involved in this when I see that and it makes me a little nervous because that just saying township uh what do you call township enterprises the hair and back when that goes up because I don't want residents assuming that the township is running this corporation. I I know it doesn't say White Bear Township, but it is a little um nerve-wracking that that that's on there, but I suppose there's not much we can do about that. So, is the correct name for this whole resolution though the property or is it who's actually running the business? That's the business name, correct? That's that's the because the resolution is in Falner Properties. Faulner properties. That's that's as the business owner as in all zoning changes cups and so forth the the building owner's responsibility to u to get that zoning and that that is the proper name Jim Fer property LLC is is under the CUP zoning. Okay. The application's proper in terms of the name terms of the name of the applicant. Okay. The applicant is is me. Yes. Yeah. All right. Any other questions of the applicant? No. All right. Thanks sir. Thank you. Anyone else wish to speak to this? Going once going that issue or any uh just for this issue. All right. Hearing no other I need a motion to close the public portion. I'll move to close the public portion of the hearing. I'll second. All in favor say I. I. All opposed. All right. Uh any other questions of staff or the attorney? Um, I guess before we discuss passing it, Chad had some comments that he wanted to add as a condition. I would recommend if you decide to adopt uh to grant the conditional use permit, I'd recommend that instead of having eight conditions, you have nine. The ninth condition would be simply the last sentence of condition 8 be a separate condition simply because it emphasizes the fact that the permit is conditioned on obtaining all local, state and federal permits and actually we we should include including but not limited to OCM license from the office of of cannabis management. In addition, I would also recommend that the there be a special emphasis on the fact that if you note on page 72 of your of your packet, it states that fresh water drained from okay, the nutrient reservoir will be flushed periodically when empty with fresh water drained into the sewer into the sewer system. your sewer system. Any drainage in the sewer system should meet all requirements the MPCA and any other license requirements that or any other requirements that the township is subject to from the Metropolitan Waste. you know what metropolitan isn't that in number one or I'm not so sure about it says Minnesota meets Minnesota pollution control agency standard shall comply with but comply with you know there's if you notice it talks about odor we're talking I'm talking about the the nutrients and whether whatever um nutrients pesticides whatever the contaminants may be in the in the water itself has to be clear it's not just odor it's also the water draining into your sewer system. So, can you can you just adjust number one to add add that? Sure, we could then we got it. And I would say so simply add that uh in terms of the me in terms of the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency standards of for on orders and or water pollution. I think that makes sense. All right, Chad. But also if if this goes through um if say 7 months from now OCM finally gets off their whatever and and actually okays this application does it come back to us? No. Okay. No. So there is no uh 60 or 90day rule on this. Once if it's Well, actually one of the reasons we're doing it tonight is because of concern over the Yeah. over the 609 day rule. Um, may I ask Chad a question as well? Um, the there's often regulations with other um zoning and land use permits that say it must be the use must begin within 12 months. Um, true. Is that a sort of thing for conditional use permits if you know off the top of your head? No. Conditional use permits once granted run with the property. They're permanent even if the use isn't enacted yet. Well, because I know after six months of not being active, the conditional use permit does um it is voided for lack of better terms. You're blowing Chad's mind. No, no, actually C the CJ the town planner has a good point and I'm trying to remember what if it's in the statute or if it's in the ordinance that failure to exercise the rights granted under the cup within c within a certain time period require result in the cup expiring. But I don't think we have to actually raise that as part of the conditional use permit. Well, I believe it's just a I guess a question from the board on if they could expect to see this again or not. It's possible. Yes. If uh if the if our or if the town ordinance andor statute and I don't think it's in the statute, but I could be wrong. um sunsets this cup if you again if you per if you approve it if you approve the permit and the lack of action on the p on the part of the OCM not the applicant the OCM so we're clear on that point uh results in sunsetting it yeah then we'd have to look this look at this all over again um within township zoning ordinance number 35 section 9-4.5 in the performance section of the conditional use permit uh regulations. It states that um subsection B states activities authorized by a conditional use permit shall be initiated within 6 months after approval of the town board. If such activity is not initiated within such period, the conditional use permit shall be void unless an extension is approved by the town board pursuant to section 9-2.3 of this ordinance. Thank you. I knew it was somewhere. I just forgotten where I read it. So, if it does get close to that six months, the applicant can request an extension um to be approved by the board. You know, while we're on this, I don't conditional permits only have a 5year span and they have to be No, no, no. Okay. Now, under statute, conditional you conditional use permits once granted are permanent? They run with the land. All right. It's you're thinking of interim interim use permits, which can have a have a certain lifespan and normally do actually. So like at month five, we should be looking at this again in case of an extension. We may have to. Okay. That's up to the applicant. And we would recommend that the applicant make that um effort to reach out to our hands. It's up to them. Well, actually uh as CJ just pointed out, the u with with the the cup just dies automatically unless the permittee the applicant comes in and requests an extension. All right, that's this is why we we're sorry to see Megan leave. Well, tonight let's understand this is very unique to this to what we're dealing with tonight because normally the applicant controls when the cup is actually uh well when the work commences. This is one of the few times when they have absolutely no control over that. Well, with this whole thing, I'm not exactly comfortable with having this sort of business in the township, but it's not like we have a legal right to stop it either. You have no choice. Right. I just want to be on record stating that. No, I understand. All right. Any other questions, staff? No. All right. What's the pleasure of the board? Um, I'll make a motion to pass the resolution approving the conditional use permit for 2340 and 2350 County Road J and the partial number uh 01302210 025. Uh, with the conditions noted uh of really nine now that changing the last sentence of eight to add in another one. So, this is going to have to be rewritten before it's signed and at amending uh the condition number one to include uh the water pollution issues um as you've noted in the conversation. So, that'll be my motion. Good job, Steve. All right. Do I have a second on the motion? Second. All right. Motion made second. All in favor say I. I. I. All opposed. All right. Motion carries. Moving on. Um CJ, is your applicant here yet for the 7A? Yeah. Not quite. No. All right. So, if we want to move on to ordinance number 100, see I can jump ahead here. Um I will when you're ready, Mr. Chair, let me know. All right. This one will also require a wave of the reading. Correct. If I can get to it. Yes, it will. Yes, it'll be a public hearing. All right. I need a motion for that. I'll make a motion to wave the reading. I was properly published. Second. All favor say I. All opposed. All right. Then I need a motion to open up the public hearing. I'll move to open up the public hearing. Second. All in favor? I I All right, CJ. Um, this is a moratorum on variances for non-conforming uses and structures uh to the township zoning ordinance. It's interim ordinance number 100 to current zoning ordinance number 35. Um, this would be essentially an ordinance that would put a pause on any variance applications as they relate to non-con legally non-conforming structures and uses. This the intent of the moratorum would be to allow staff, the planning commission and the town board to review ordinance number 35 as it relates to expanding um existing legal non-conforming structures. Um the planning commission has begun working on an ordinance update um discussing what some paths forward might be for residents and business owners who want to expand upon non-conforming structures or uses. Um in the past we've used the example of taking a flat roof and making it a pitched roof. Um that does expand the use. it expands it vertically um in terms of the size which currently we do not have anything in the ordinance stating that they could go ahead and get a variance for that or get any other sort of um permit for that. However, the state statute does allow us to adopt something a path forward for expansion if um the township so chooses. Uh this town this moratorum does require a public hearing um as we currently know. It also requires that written notice be sent to any person who submitted a housing proposal or a pending housing proposal or has provided written request to be notified of this interimm ordinance relating to housing proposals. Um and it must be mailed at least three business days prior to the meeting. Um TKDA planner Andrew Bucher, he has made this happen. There were three or I believe it was three residents that have reached out in the last couple of months regarding um expanding non-conforming uses. One of them made a formal application. However, with this pending moratorum, we let them know that we would need to um we couldn't allow a variance for such. Um so, they've been notified as well as the other two that were um inquiring about expanding their structures. If the town wishes to extend an interimm ordinance, another public hearing must be held um not more than 30 days before the expiration of the current interimm ordinance. The interim ordinance before you tonight would be in effect for excuse me while I look for what how long this is. One year. Uh, one year. Thank you. Um, at the time at the present time, it is expected that the necessary study and implementation can be completed prior to August 4th, 2026. We expect to complete this um significantly sooner than that and that is our hope. Uh, so at any point the board could um lift the moratorum so to speak and I'll let um Chad speak on that that last point. Thank you CJ to so everyone is clear the the mortorium does not have to exist for one year it can be shorter the year is the maximum amount of time so don't assume that we'll that variances are basically frozen for a year they're not as soon as the board soon as the board acts it'll be it'll be over with do you have any questions? Uh, what? So, what you're looking to approve is this um an interm ordinance prohibiting acceptance of consideration. Is that the one I'm looking at? Yep, that's correct. Okay. And CJ, if it's at the planning commission now, uh, just ballpark. Do you think when are you thinking? I'd say they they'll see another um based on their conversation. And again, I wasn't present, but um if you'd like to speak on that, I I I will speak on that. I was present and as it was laid out by is the name Andrew. Andrew Buché. Yeah. He uh said, you know, this is the opening session where we're going to start talking about it and we have to reach out and see what makes sense and what doesn't. So, realistically, you know, I think you could say 6 months or less, but that's what we're at. they were at at that point was we gota we got to see what we want, what we can do and what makes sense. Uh and they and some of that is is seeing what other uh how other communities have handled this situation and modernize our current process. Fair. Well, plus too this is not an easy task. This is going to be a because of the township, just the dynamics of brand new developments, old cottages, you know, 40-year-old homes. We've got a multitude and a mixture of everything. So, well, the lot sizes, too, are just all over the place. Yeah. So, it's it's going to be a it's going to be a a challenge to get something that works to fit all of them. Some of this commentary had to do with reaching out to looking at communities that have lakes, old lake property similar to us, such as Lake Mitaka. The communities around that lake have probably had to deal with these same situations and instead of reinventing the wheel, let's see what's what's out there to make it more logical for moving forward in a modern world. If I may, Mr. Chair, the whole point of considering this ordinance is to create flexibility for people because right now the existing ordinance does straight jack at the town in considering variances basically to legal non-conforming uses. Chad, how's this going to affect our policy on reasonable use without getting into hardships and practicality? Yeah, that's interesting because I know in the case of lake of lake of Minnetonka, they've actually their their standard for allowing uh varying, you know, expansion of non-conforming uses is as a variance. So then you'd be applying the variance standards. The an another option would be to go a different type of permitting route. the township could adopt any sort of um permitting process, a new application with new standards. Um so another section of the ordinance could list the standards u maybe modeling after the variance criteria, but they don't need to be exactly the same. It doesn't need to be an ordinance. Is that correct? Or a variance, excuse me. For example, you could use conditional use permits. Exactly. You be looking into like sighteline standards because that's always a big issue. Sure. when other people's sight lines are impacted, which is why conditional use permits may be the route to go because that does allow flexibility. But again, we're early in the process. I just know it's a biggie. And plus two, we've we basically eliminated our variance board and put that on to the planning commission. So this is going to get the planning commission a little bit more workload too just because when these applications come in they're going to have to try to dissect that with without having that other board review. So but you can you but you'll be creating a framework for the planning commission to judge these by yeah a little more fly by the seat of their pants for a while. It could be but you know I mean it was it was Yeah. And yeah they were they were kind of in a rough spot. Yep. All right. Any other questions of CJ or the attorney? Hearing none, I'm looking for a motion to adopt this moratorum. I'll move to adopt or adopt a resolution for ordinance number 100, an interim ordinance prohibiting acceptance or consideration of applications for variances to non-conforming uses and structures subject to 7-13 non-conforming uses. 7-13.2A 2 a non-conforming use permits and 9 point 9-6.3 variance review um and number three m administrative variances for one year. I'll second that. All right. All in favor say I. I. I. All opposed. That motion carries. All right. We we will go right away to 8A. Seems I look like the applicant still in here. U this is for rescheduling our August executive meeting. It falls on the 22nd of August and there's a conflict. So, we have the 15th or the 22nd. Mr. Chair, I Yeah, I would What did I say? 29th. Oh, sorry. Yeah, 29th. I would uh accept moving it to August 15th if if I second that. Well, you'll have to have someone else appear then because I'm unfortunately in court that day. I am gone as well. The 15th. Yeah. Well, you can be. Someone else could take your spot. His is I mean he's very important probably do without me too. So yeah I would do it on the 29th if you could. The only reason we did that is try to keep it away from the holiday weekend. Is anybody going anywhere that way? Doesn't matter to me. No fine. That's fine. Right. So we're going to move I need a motion for the 29th. I'll move to make the August executive meeting for August 29th, 2025 at the same time, same location, which is 8 a.m. at the township administrative offices. I'll second. All in favor say I. I. opposed. All right, we're going to go back. Uh we have one more public hearing. This is uh 5960 Highway 61, Sweet 101. Uh I need a motion to wave the reading. I'll move to wave the reading that was properly published. I'll second. All in favor say I. I. All oppose. Then I need a motion to open up the public hearing. I'll move to open the public hearing. Second. All in favor? I. All right, TJ. Thank you. One last one is a request for an zoning ordinance amendment and a permitted use standards request for 5960 Highway 61 North building 2 suite 101. Um this is located in the business general business district B2 in the northeast area of the township as were the other applications today. The application is made by Choice Audio Incorporated um business owner James D. Rosa and on behalf of the property owner Justin Henning of Bald Eagle Shops. Uh property owner is uh present today. However, the applicant um may arrive at a later time. The Bald Eagle Shops is two commercial buildings located on the northeast side of the township um that many of us are familiar with. Justin Henning leases the space to a variety of tenants. There are offices on the upper floor um and services on the upper floor. There's a taco a taco restaurant, a scuba diving school, and a tobacco shop, a BP gas station and convenience store, and a former um car wash that was recently turned into bald eagle liquor. The applicant, James D. Rosa is interested in locating his business in this in the bald eagle shops in within the commercial strip. Suite 101 is the southernmost suite on the end of the building uh closest to the BP convenience store. The suite was most recently a jiu-jitsu studio and has recently been vacant. Um so the applicant is applying to um locate his high quality audio equipment business here with some open business hours primarily with appointment only business. Currently the zoning ordinance doesn't permit um retail of audio equipment. Um as we know the zoning ordinance number 35 is very specific on what is permitted. Um there's no general retail or limited retail use. um which the commission has uh expressed some interest in updating in the future um to make it a bit easier for applicants to locate their business in the township. Um so the first application would be to amend the zoning ordinance permitted uses in the B2 district to include audio/video retail limited. This limited term is commonly used in the permitted uses. Um most notably audio repair limited. Um the definition of audio or sorry automotive repair uh limits the size of vehicles. Um and the types of materials you can have. So the applicant is requesting audio video retail limited to limit retail of this kind to under 3,000 square feet. Um the intent behind this um as stated by the applicant was to prevent um the location of big box stores like a Best Buy that may fall under audio and video equipment from locating in the B2 district. The planning commission reviewed the request at their June 26th meeting and um they recommended approval of both applications which would be um tonight motioned on in a specific order. specifically making a motion on the zoning ordinance amendment first um to first either allow or not allow or um prohibit the use and then a permitted use standards permit if the zoning ordinance is approved. Well, obviously there's no installation of this stuff. It's just out the door. Um they may be right. No, they are not like they're not installing the equipment at somebody's home or at the shop. Um the use would be um stereoss and such. Um they've like I've said they've described it as high quality audio. Um the applicant has stated that it is for a client base that he calls audio files, people that are very passionate about sound quality. Um they are proposing two separate rooms within this space that the building inspector and fire inspector have both been to the space. Um both included in your packet. One would be a listening room where they could test out and um interact with the product and the other would be a more office space. The permitted use standards permit request does have standards listed in the zoning ordinance. Um conditional use permits as you heard earlier. you could add conditions to that permit. However, permitted use per standard permits. The standards are already listed in the zoning ordinance. So, by approving a permitted use standard permit, you're um also in permitting these criteria, these conditions that are already set forth in ordinance number 35 section 93. Um, a few notable things is traffic pattern and parking. Um, the space has significant parking that does exceed and meet the requirements of the zoning ordinance. The applicant states that traffic may be reduced from its previous use. Previously, it was a jiu-jitsu studio where many people would be recreating there at a time, whereas the intent of this business is um some open hours. However, it's a um appointment only, excuse me. Another um note is that the objectives of the ordinance shall be consistent with the recommendations of the comprehensive plan. Um if the zoning ordinance amendment is approved, then this permitted use standards permit would be consistent. However, if the zoning ordinance is not approved, the permitted use standards permit would not meet the requirements and these criteria. There are no anticipated exterior changes to the structure or the parking space. Um the renderings are provided to show what it may look like indoors. Staff were sent the application and the fire inspector um noted that they may require fire sprinklers work to meet the new tenants needs and any work shall be approved by the township staff and permitted by township staff. and the building inspector stated that the property owner shall enter into an agreement with the town allowing access for inspections and maintenance of storm water features um which would be part of their business license. I believe the board should make two separate motions tonight as stated earlier. First on the zoning ordinance amendment um you may recommend or you may approve the amendments as presented or with any changes. You may recommend that the board or you may deny the amendments with findings for denial or table for further review and study. Um that text would be um adding the audio/v video retail limited into the permitted uses permit um list and then adding a definition of the use and then a permitted use standards permit request. You may approve the request, deny the request with finding for denial or table it for further review. Um the staff does recommend approval as does the planning commission to approve the ordinance amendment and approve the permitted use standards permit request. Does the board have any questions? Uh was there anything brought up about in the remodel of the building is soundproofing? I got to believe they're going to want to crank this stuff up to get the full benefit of all this audio. And I don't know how that's going to uh affect the neighbors. The um applicant has responded to the that question because I believe the commission has asked the same thing. Um I believe they'll be using this if you imagine like a um a sound studio how they have the soft padded walls and such. Um, I believe they'll be employing that, but um, the property owner may be able to testify to that more. Usually stereos have those rooms where you actually can walk in and hear your heartbeat. It's kind of weird. In addition, you have the nuisance ordinance as well. Hang on a minute, Steve. No, I I'm have no questions at this moment. So, nope. You guys have any problems with the adding the use? No. as as long as we can define the definition as no installation because I in Well, you want that in the definition if you go down just a little bit. They they tried to tweak the definition of I didn't guess I didn't see it. Uh go to page 94. Oops, I'm way past it. I don't think that's going to address what you want though. No, cuz it when I saw it, it didn't it didn't seem to. But it would include the statement retail sale of equipment. Um which if fill that in. If I got an if we got an application for a business that stated um installation of it, um it it would not fall under retail. Okay. But if you'd like to add it, we can. You feel comfortable with that, Chad? Yes. Well, I mean, I understand what the what the purpose of the business is. This is not car stereoss. This is surround sounds. Surround sounds. A really high-end uh home system. So, you're not going to be installing these at the shop. Okay. Correct. So, no, I I don't have a problem given the context of the of the permit and the application of the business. Any other questions of staff? All right. I need a motion to open up the public portion. I'll move to open up the public portion of the hearing. So, move or second. All in favor? I uh you want to come up? Are you are the building owner? Yep. I need a name and address for the record. Yeah. Justin Hen. Um, the building address is 5960 Highway 61 North, White Bear Township, 55110. Um, personal address 4605 Lily Avenue North, Lake Elmo, Minnesota. Right. Well, I guess that was my only concern if they're going to crank it up just to get the full effect. Sure. Um, yeah. So, kind of to speak on James' behalf, he uh unfortunately had something come up and had a prior obligation, but he's going to try to make it still tonight hopefully. So, we'll probably be done by then. Yeah. And I'll I'll let him know just in case. But, um and James kind of to reiterate what he said, this is really the type of audio that they are going to be selling is really for more like critical listening. So, it's more two channel audio. It's more for clarity and um sound stage and overall enjoyment as opposed to how loud can it get. Um it's more for getting rid of distortion and giving you the best possible experience. So, um, James is looking to effectively build out the space and put in place, um, a good amount of sound treatment that will make make the space sound as good as possible, but also keep the sound within the space, um, so that there really wouldn't be a whole lot of, I guess, noise leakage, if you will. Um in addition to that the um the space itself is is on the end and there's nothing above it. Whereas like for example the gas station has the offices above it. So there's there's nothing on any of the the sides except for the gas station. Um and the listening room would actually be partitioned. So the south part of the building here's the whole space. The listening room is here. The second room, which is more of kind of a retail demonstration room, um more for is going to have like a headphone bar and um you know, some different options kind of available, but the actual listening room itself will be completely isolated on the one far south end of the building. All right. Any other questions of the a building owner? All right. Thanks, sir. Yep. Thank you. Is there anyone else here to wish to speak to this issue? No. Hearing none. I need a motion to close the public portion. I'll move to close the public portion of the hearing. Second. All in favor say I. I. Opposed. All right. If there's no other questions, I guess the first one is the zoning ordinance amendment to allow this sort of business. Well, again, I I don't have any issues with as long as it's retail and limited. So, I'll make a motion to amend ordinance number 35, section 6-4, district regulations permitted use and to add this as one of the permitted uses under that all we need. All right. Motion made a second. All in favor? I. All opposed. All right. That motion carries. And the second part of it is the peritted use standards permit. I'll move to uh to have a permitted use standards permit uh issued for under ordinance number 35 section 9-3 for this uh to include the items that are listed in your report. I believe there's what 11 11 of them. A second. All right. Motion's made second. All in favor say I. I. All opposed. All right. Thank you. That concludes our agenda. I miss anything? No. All right. Uh, it's open time. I know we still have a few people here. Podium's yours. You want to come up? Name and address. If you got anything to speak about, right, my name is Tim Hakin. I live at 5978 Norway Pine Court in White Bear Township. Um, and I'm here to ask for some help on an issue that I've had for the last four years with a neighbor. I have a gentleman that lives behind me that has pretty much violated every ordinance you can imagine for White Bear Township as far as what he has in his yard. Um, since he's moved in, he has hoarded. He has things back there like you wouldn't believe. Um, I recently, well, four years ago, I had to take my shed down, come in, apply. I wanted to put a garage in my backyard. Went through the whole ordinance, followed everything. Perfect. Everything was fine. Put my garage up in the back. I had an issue where a tree fell on my house one time. I have inspector out, Mike Johnson. You guys know him? Yeah. So, he was out to inspect my garage. He was out to inspect my house. And recently, he's just been out to inspect the two bathrooms that I had. Every time Mike's been out there, I have bragged him through my backyard and showed him this neighbor's property back there, and nothing happens. I had applied three years ago through the township, uh, following the directions from the gal behind the county to the counter, excuse me, to to file a motion or whatever she wanted to call it, um, to have somebody come out and look at the property and just make the guy comply. So now I'm to the point where my wife wants me to spend thousands of dollars to put up a privacy fence between me and him so we don't have to look at all the junk in his backyard. Um it's my understanding that you can only have one outbuilding on your property besides your house. I think he's up to about six back there right now. He's got wood piled up. He's got stuff piled up against the neighbor's fence to the point that the neighbor's fence is starting to push over. Um Sher Boner who lives right next door to him. She was on the original complaint with me about this guy. I just want somebody to come out and look at the thing and and make the guy comply and uh and clean up the mess. Patrick, you familiar with that property? I've not heard of that one. What was your address again, sir? Pardon? What was your address again? Mine is 59 5978 Norway Pine. Okay. And and he is on Malard Ponds. He's 5991 Malard Pond. $59.91. Yeah, because we every uh fourth Friday of the month, we sit down with the building inspector and go over nuisance properties and I don't remember this one hitting the either. So, I'll check with Mike tomorrow. Probably three years ago that I filed the paperwork. Okay. And again, Mike did come out and um nothing ever happens because usually if if if a nuisance abatement order, something has been filed, we see it. And I I guess I just don't remember seeing this one, but we will obviously follow up on it. Okay. Um in fact, well, like it's we just we just changed our No. Do I have to come in in the township and follow? No, because No, you've I will discuss it with staff tomorrow. Um I'll say I'll I'll request that Mike reach out to you following up our discussion and see what we can do about it. So, and trust me, we have a number of properties like this and it's very difficult to make these people comply. is well I was one of the original homesteads there before they started the white bear ponds. So I' I've been in that old Rambler for my driveway used to line up with uh the golf course before the second phase of white ponds came in and then that's Malor Pond's first phase came in and all the houses were built behind me. So I've been there for 35 years and um this is ridiculous. There's nobody else. I mean people don't take care of their yards or whatever. That's one thing. But he's got two small kids back there. And I don't know how you would let your kids Well, maybe when I was a kid, I used to play that stuff, I guess. But, you know, just for safety purposes and stuff like that. And again, Sherry, um, she's just asked him to move stuff away from his fence. He he's got things like jungle gyms. He's got four or five of them torn down and just stacked up lumber and and he's got other things, piles of pallets and, you know, which is really sad because we just had our township cleanup days. Mhm. Where you can literally come down for free and get rid of this stuff. I know you hoarders. So hoarders don't get rid of it. Well, that's true. That's why it's very difficult for us. But and trust me, once it's on our radar, we're the township's kind of a complaint generated. Uh we don't know about these things until folks like you let us know. So, but once it's on the board's radar, then we'll stay on Mike to get something resolved for you. Perfect. Well, that's all I want. You know, I um I'm afraid to let my wife back there because they're about the same size and just just be so we're clear not a real quick resolution to some of these that so you don't look at it over I mean you've dealt with it for three years but but we've had as as Ed was alluding to we've had some that after we've taken our actions it takes several years because it's and what happens sometimes if it gets really into a legal battle it goes to court and the courts just don't seem to really want to hear about it. However, the first step has been Well, I just want to make sure that we we've got it out there and that somebody comes over and looks at it and got absolutely fair. The most recent thing is he was burning in June. He had a fire going back there like you wouldn't believe. And there was a statewide uh red flag ordinance out for no fires anywhere. Um the Ramsey County official the or the squad showed up and they're the only ones that have ever made them do anything. They made him put out the fire real quick. Oh, yeah. He has a tendency to um um Oh, I don't understand. I don't understand that kind of stuff, you know. And I said, well, we all have to comply. All right. Appreciate it. Thank you, sir. We'll we'll have staff contact you. Thank you very All right. Anyone else? My name is Bob Leaper, 2302 Fifth Court, Whitebear Township. I've been up here a few times. Um, that one we know about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to going to jump right up alongside him and say been here before, heard that same stuff. Um, so this is regarding Fifth Court, the road, uh, the roads of Fifth Court, which are falling apart daily. And I was up here back in 24 asking what the plan was because our road has been patched and patched and patched. And in 24, the township, the board says that we were going to get that replaced in 25. It's complicated. back there because of the property lines and so forth. And there was talk about doing a storm uh system back there. They said in 24 that we would do it in 25 and I find out whatever a couple months ago that the White Bear Township was given $7 million for road repairs. Um, White Bear Township doesn't have that many roads, uh, really, and a lot of it's water, a lot of it is park, um, parks, uh, forestry. So, there's not a lot of roads. So, I'm kind of confused as to why I haven't seen any. Here we are halfway through 25 and I haven't seen any surveyors, no engineers, no markings in the streets. Nothing seems to be happening back here in Fifth Court. So, can you give me an update? Well, right right now we have 64 miles of road. That's not nothing for a township. That's a lot of roads to maintain and repair. Now, I don't know on our schedule for road maintenance where I I remember discussion with engineers that this did get bumped to 26. I'd have to confirm that. But every road is rated and every rating falls in priority. And if something if another road comes in before it, it gets bumped. And that's that may be why it's pushed one year. So, do you just have one crew that does road repairs? No, we take everything off for bid. All bid for bid. Correct. And they just can't get to me. It's for the next couple years. I think you're misunderstanding what they're what the board's saying is that the town consulting engineer provides a list of roads. They can they review each road and they determine what the classification each road is in terms of how bad as it is and then they create every year the consulting engineer creates a schedule of road replacement and if I understand your fifth court is now on schedule for next year's road replacement plan. So you'll be hearing about this because more than likely there will be an assessment involved. And before an assessment can be made, there has to be a public hearing. And that requires first of all that the engineers make an estimate of cost, an estimate of what has to be done. Then they have to give an idea of what the cost is. And that cost has to be approved by the board. And the board then has to decide whether or not it's going to assess that. So I would suggest that you, you know, you just follow, you know, keep keep in mind, just follow along with what goes on. And I assume that the does does T8 TKD have they published that uh that schedule at all or No. Okay. No, just watch your mail because you'll be getting something on this. So, there's no way for me to get a list of the roads like this one's next next down the line. it there actually they do that. Yeah, happy to share that with you. Yeah, they they do it annually. The TKD TKDA the consulting engineer presents a list to the board annually of what has what should be done next. So, but they do get moved around a little bit because of the size of the projects and something bumps it up because of urgency. Um, but there it's out there. It's on the list. I can 100% tell you your road is on there. It just but it may have moved. It's probably the shortest road. Well, well, we also remember that's $7 million. Next year's road improvements are what? Five million, four million. So, we can't spend it all on one road improvement. We we divvy that out hopefully over the next 20 years. So, we're still going to have to assess and bond for these road projects. So, it's it's not a a minor cost. It it's something we look at very seriously. Yeah. That's a big part of our budget every year. and we don't get road aid assistance and we don't get LGA. Um, essentially we wanted this 7 million bucks to last us at least 15 to 20 years to offset not having those two revenue streams into and we've been doing this with with nothing. We just got that seven million which is a a great help for us but it's not like we can just blow it all on the next year's project. If you if you look at if you dig out the past minutes of the board, you'll see how the the how the plan has been set out has been carried out in the last what probably almost a decade now. I think that the uh that you that the township has had a plan for road rehabilitation. Maybe a decade is a little long, but it's been it's been going on for for the plan's been going on for almost 10 years. We've actually gotten two into the project over the last five. Yes. Yep. So yeah, don't worry. There's a plan out there. I I know I'm I'm not the engineer, but I sit through all these meetings. So I I do listen what what goes on and I know that's you're on the list. And I know Mike is familiar with that area, and I know there's some drainage issues, so he he's also going to be up to speed when that time comes also. Okay. Help's coming. Okay. All right. Very good. Thank you so much. Thanks, Bob. Ralph, you got anything? All right. Hearing none. I need a motion to receive agenda materials and supplements. So moved. Second. All in favor say I. I. Need a motion to adjourn at 8:29. So moved. Second. All in favor? I. Thank you.