Based on the context provided and the dialogue within the transcript, here is the formatted version with speaker names assigned. **Note on Identification:** * **Eric Johnson (Community Development Director)** is the primary speaker providing technical and project updates. * **Joe Peterson (City Councilor)** provides updates on legislative matters and the tax bill. * **Jim Sanderson**, **Natalie Peterson**, and **Jesse** are members of the Park Board (Natalie is often referred to as "Natalie" or "Councilor Peterson" in similar contexts, but since Joe Peterson is the official City Councilor listed, she is identified here as the Board Member Natalie Peterson). *** [0:13] **Jim Sanderson**: june 15th park board meeting and roll call jim all right yeah jim sanderson here [0:36] **Natalie Peterson**: i'm here can you guys hear me perfect thank you very much jennifer here natalie peterson here megan miller is absent at this time okay this is myself uh one of the motion to approve the minutes of the may meeting [1:24] **Eric Johnson**: hi discussion i'll let you take over the continuing business sure exactly yeah no one is here for the public discussion at this time restoration uh the contractor outright increase trails make a great headway uh they're at the point where essentially ready to start painting the plan is of late next week to actually start paving that trail and finishing up the side slopes from the control stand what they're going to do is leave the last 150 feet just south of morris thomas they're going to leave that just in the class 5 at this stage because saint louis county [2:11] **Eric Johnson**: is going to be replacing a culvert uh immediately adjacent to that it was a fear that if that humans were replaced it was somehow damaged that would have to be replaced but for our agreement with seamless county uh any damage to the existing uh gravel five classified phase or the sizeables uh signals count will replace those so uh we're all in orders from that agreement standpoint so what i'd really love to see is uh our july meeting is the video in the field you can visit these trails here between section 24 and the king creek trail um is just as nice if not nicer because part of it is [2:57] **Eric Johnson**: it will always look like that section 24 that may be developed in the future you hope [3:13] **Eric Johnson**: water conservation district as well as children [3:31] **Eric Johnson**: the slopes they uh worked out all the erosion that we've passed especially since that 2012 flood they've uh rematted that whole area of landscape trees along that area as well just to help with some shading for travel habitat that way now they're currently working itself in that bridge area in that same volcano restoration aspect we're still planning to wrap this up uh june until it's wrapped up by fourth of july they're pretty well scheduled i'm going to be on the site again tomorrow so i'll just verify other stickers one thing that uh myself paul senst had the opportunity to speak to uh right now we've got that runs underneath [4:19] **Eric Johnson**: the road if you go down to the park right there the creek has been loading into the existing road and thousands of nations there uh what totally worth it is looking to do is to uh expedite their schedule in that area because they're going to do some restoration uh within that uh pipe area so they're gonna concentrate on that so then get into the nice solid [4:47] **Eric Johnson**: that we're having right now so that's kind of another good example of a relationship between ourselves [5:08] **Eric Johnson**: date at clean creek as well as section 24. this is in front of the state right now for a extension of the schedule to next year this time i believe yesterday was a hearing on it from the legacy parks uh there's no action at that point but at least they did have the period yesterday but once again we're still operating under june 30 of the completion date for all these trail segments uh likewise up on section 24 uh they're just really fine tuning a lot of their uh trail areas that they have exactly specifically they've been working up along enabled roll rolls trying out that trail connection at that point there's a couple existing utilities that [5:54] **Eric Johnson**: they've been working with with contractors to get those moved so uh that area has been that's when we've been seeing the construction workers last couple the majority of weeks word associated with our grant and the sanitary sewer area is done and the same thing that they're looking for within the next one or two months there to round that out once again [6:25] **Jim Sanderson**: looks great though smells like a lot of work going on [6:28] **Eric Johnson**: yeah yeah it's been very busy down there and uh i think the public for the most part has been trying to keep away there are still some walkers and people in that area but the most part people have been you know here who are asking that [6:55] **Jim Sanderson**: great addition to the community for sure [6:58] **Eric Johnson**: yeah it'll be really nice work with both contractors and uh we've been really lucky with the conditions we've had so far this spring i wanted to sit briefly on and we'll talk a little bit more about the park dedication fund but there is going to be a substantial change order coming up from where we got cool creek park we had two areas of extremely deep mud when i saved one down and customized nine feet to harvest all that elbow and then bring back in the sand for that the city engineers working with the contract will invite and uh to finalize that number and that's what we've got to city council i believe that are in the 21st because [7:40] **Eric Johnson**: i think it was on the expected was we could try to harvest the existing materials within that area within the trail bed we tried to use that as the underlayment we were just concerned for a long-term product that if we have some sponge material over there we're not doing ourselves any paper and so we decided mr mulder a city administrator discussed this and you concur that yes we should pull that material i'll bring in good sand material get that next firm base that we need to build the trail that's once again going to last this replacement so at that point i'd like to move on to the new business [8:21] **Natalie Peterson**: i have a question i'm sorry when you reopen the park [8:26] **Natalie Peterson**: are we have we've considered about putting uh signs that all dogs must be unleashed [8:32] **Eric Johnson**: that we're going to be looking at a whole uh basically we do have those in other parts but we can add those obviously also uh we're going to be doing a lot of different signage um some of the ferry signs that are out there we've got some more through our association with the region stormwater protection team we're going to be placing those films along the trail as well and incorporating more of the bond bags but also said to get more signage dogs must remain unleashed obviously the big trouble is is the uh enforcement map is the tough part but from the signage [9:12] **Eric Johnson**: standpoint i don't know the social media to get that word out there the um at least with the the trail aspect and the performance nature of it that the hope is that we will not receive very little often not at least in that area since it's more of a viking pedestrian type area and the troublesome area is always going to be south of that in our more natural area to look out and that area is slated for um industrial extension as well in the future obviously pending funding so that may help itself [10:05] **Natalie Peterson**: and jim we are working on all branded signs now that we've got all of these existing trails happening that we're going to have a consistent look with all of our trails trail maps with all the same look and i think on those we and on the website we can kind of hit on you know kind of those expectations too on you know the leashing and things of that nature so that can all be part of it [10:33] **Jim Sanderson**: yeah because every time i've been down there like i said at the last meeting that people just opened their car guards and the dogs hold on nobody cared [10:58] **Eric Johnson**: this had actually come up before city council moves back in 2016 it was the last uh that we had a discussion at that point uh there was some thoughts or these discussions of moving the nation that would exist today at standard part potentially either moving back into the further to the south where it would split from that parking lot or maybe even a potential removal of those gates totally uh at that time there was no other consensus and there's a lot of um discussion on the public standpoint and that point was instead of this permanent table that shouldn't prefer the data and now it's as we're approaching some more developments particularly with this trail system running this governor park and several parts of me as a trail head [11:46] **Eric Johnson**: that uh we want to redo that discussion of the stage except for park whether it is located in a different location so we can get some sort of a um recommendation coming out of this board within the city council as well but first of all um [12:23] **Jim Sanderson**: uh from the community soccer association doesn't maintain the vast majority of those fields they haven't put a lot of money into those pictures there's no doubt about that but at the end of the day so um the city does fuel the number of calls throughout the course of the year asking why the gates are closed on the bar um [12:48] **Eric Johnson**: bring this to the forefront and you can start having this discussion so i'd like to open up the board at this point any comments questions regarding the gates [13:02] **Natalie Peterson**: and so being a trailhead would mean that people wanting to use trail would want to park in the parking lot there and then either bite down and bite back or walk one way or the other and if we don't have parking there then they might do it on the road which is not a good idea either i would imagine [13:19] **Eric Johnson**: exactly there are goals of each trail guidance denver uh eventually king creed um up at the wellness center and costly [13:33] **Eric Johnson**: right here at city hall being four points once again like you said you could bring your car there you can target off all the bikes jump out of the car and start walking out that there generally will be some sort of rudimentary um rest facility available there uh in case the parts that we'll try to have some sort of playgrounds associated with those as well and that's at least once again you know become a point that you know people can congregate that we start using these parts a bit more once throughout the city and right now yes that you do see a number of cars came down along that gate evening when it's locked so the park is being used [14:19] **Jim Sanderson**: now the one thing i can bet that soccer would want to know is how are they going to keep motorized vehicles off the fields and all they had to do was put more con or the blocks rocks stuff around them we've done that [14:34] **Eric Johnson**: they've done it now yeah we did that i asked paul to do it on that back and field everything else is pretty well covered we got to look at that entrance near the concession but right now as of right now especially like there was a gap on that back the back fields um that's been taken care of so and they've even tightened up some of those other areas as well so they've done a real good job with blackberries armoring that edge you need some of the understanding [15:05] **Natalie Peterson**: now i haven't seen people being that destructive other properties especially sports fields like they were in the early days i mean if people wanted to get on victor they could you know and i mean i i've told eric i've shared this probably maybe even at last name but that's a regular trail for me now i run that it's two and a half mile loop for me um with the field trail you know many times i'm back there and there's one gentleman for sure that's always back there with his three teeny kids his dog and they have parked over by the gate and walked i mean that's a lot of work with the young family and he's not the only one but he's frequent um and i just got another email last week the week before my weeks are blending [15:52] **Natalie Peterson**: but um saying why is this you know it just doesn't make sense you know it's public park and we have very limited playground and kind of open safe space for kids to kind of run around and that and it should not be closed anymore i think it'd be different if it was fenced off at all or anything but people can get in it already anyway so it just has always seemed kind of a little bit silly i understand their concerns but if that's never really proven to be an issue we don't see why we don't at least try it open it up see what happens and then if you know major destruction happens of course we can always you know come back we can't expect we cannot have this i mean even more so [16:39] **Joe Peterson**: now it's been an issue already but with this trail opening and we want folks to be parking there and taking their families down on the walkway we cannot have this closed anymore and we have done we've done things to put in place to prevent and to your point i mean jenna it's like if you want to take a snowmobile or a four-wheeler they can do that now i mean there's access to that you're not going to get an automobile on those fields um we have talked just for other safety reasons about possibly some cameras you know even at keene at this location you know it will now be open too so the police can drive back in there and loop around and there right [17:25] **Joe Peterson**: now they can't you know just to see what's happening back there which is also i think a positive actually so there's just many reasons we are going to get pushback um and i'm okay with it because i it makes complete sense for it not to be there anymore and just for the record and i feel very strongly about this um i don't want to just open the gate and leave it open because it forever becomes a point of argument and discussion we need to remove at least maybe not the post but the arms it just it's just it needs they need to be removed [18:03] **Jim Sanderson**: i mean how do you protect the soccer field for people coming up and playing on the soccer fields when they're not out of [18:12] **Jim Sanderson**: i mean jim anybody can go on the baseball fields as well i mean they can i mean to jim in all honesty they can go on there now yeah there's one difference about baseball there's a dirt infield and they stay on the baits fast ninety percent of the time and a little little open the grass but yeah right there they never cause any damage or all the baseball fields right now they have every right and ability to walk onto those fields right now they just do [18:50] **Joe Peterson**: but i think the biggest thing we have to worry about jim is that adult or collegiate players who don't have a place to play [18:59] **Joe Peterson**: and either duluth is superior utilizing the facility up here without seeking permission or paying a b and one way to do that correct that problem would be to take the goal post out of there in the off season to move them back where they belong or you know back to the better they're nuts [19:20] **Jim Sanderson**: you mean yeah you know a goalie that's the area yeah the net yeah [19:24] **Joe Peterson**: and that's i think those i i believe those are the soccer associations nets so that would be totally up to them um and there jim in all honesty there's probably going to be some things we're going to have to figure and communicate and that type of thing but i i think those concerns are going to be very [19:45] **Joe Peterson**: minor and it's going to be a huge bonus and a plus to the community to have that park open for our families and and and for all to you [19:57] **Jim Sanderson**: another concern is when teens or kids go out there and play on rainy days or right after a ring that's what happened to field number four is over here when my kids were playing that used to be a soccer group i don't know which field number four baseball that used to be a soccer field right yeah we're a little kid younger ones they couldn't keep the kids off after a rain and they ruined the field the city reseeded it [20:32] **Jim Sanderson**: they couldn't keep the kids up again again and they resolded it and that's a really low field number which one are you talking about over at victor behind the fire hole [20:57] **Natalie Peterson**: never lived here during that time but um again i mean those are the risks that we're probably going to maybe face at some point possibly but we like again that can be happening today i mean they have access to those fields and i mean we certainly are not going to keep it closed in the event that there was a slim possibility that that might happen i think how we're going to protect it so it doesn't happen signage communication i mean that's really about what i i mean there might be other things that we can think of doing um we definitely can communicate it with signage for sure um uh i know the soccer association has connections with a lot of the other um [21:44] **Natalie Peterson**: groups and associations the collegiate level they work with them already on tournaments and things of that nature so i'm sure it's something that we can utilize them for for communication as well about how and when to use that field so well twice a week from mid-may until the end of july i'm spending my evenings at lake park the biggest problem up there is having baseball games and soccer games going on at the same time because there is no parking he gets it but i have never i haven't knock on wood when there isn't a soccer tournament or games going on and there is our baseball there's nobody [22:30] **Natalie Peterson**: out there so i i think we just have to hope that people respect yeah what's going on and if they don't and we can get the police to just drive by yeah swing by [22:45] **Eric Johnson**: these will occasionally get calls from different groups asking to use any of our partners for that matter and what i always do is i give them the contact information of that particular user group which has priority in those fields nas and this is moving to let's say it's president of soccer to aid the museum or scheduling contracts the same thing over here that way like comfort peterson said it it's it's the countries the communication the person we're signing out there that's on the properties just working together the soccer group as well and i think some of those uses [23:17] **Natalie Peterson**: have kind of worked their way out a little bit um and i there was a time where stepner was super attractive because there was other limited fields but there's since been a few more fields added throughout the rest of the city so it's a little not as limited of access either which has been very helpful but um i think that was more i haven't even heard of that issue as of the last couple years that's been a few years now that that's been kind of a bigger concern [23:44] **Jim Sanderson**: another concern is you say the city owns that right how come soccer was paying two hundred thousand dollars a year what was that money for indicators twenty thousand dollars a year believe that and my [24:14] **Eric Johnson**: and that's and the agreement was that soccer would then pay us back over a 20-year time period for that but it's still safe it still listens properly it's just like baseball keeps up the baseball diamonds and stuff like that it's still city property right [24:28] **Joe Peterson**: yep and the school yeah the school so they paid the money and they keep it up for the privilege of having kind of first rate so they understand yeah okay and that was all documented in an agreement at the development of those fields so that's not anything new you know [25:00] **Joe Peterson**: and to eric's point the school does pay the ten thousand dollars for use of this baseball and um and softball fields and they do also maintain the infield part of those fields as well so and the netting ours are the post they do the nettings and the bad for the batting cages and stuff so similarities some differences but similar we just have to hope that you know that you don't know what kind of signage you put up with soccer fields you know they have to have a permit or permission [25:48] **Natalie Peterson**: and we'll work with them on that signage to make sure that you know it works for that it's very clear for both parties but again if they take the goal post after the season's over with like they do at the end of the year and move them to the back then it's just a big grass field and i know they're always worried about people having goalies up there playing in the rain and digging up the area in front of the goals and stuff like that and they have full access and you know the right to do that for sure [26:31] **Natalie Peterson**: what has the church have they had any complaints or concerns about additional parking in their lot okay i could see a lot of people maybe trying to park there if they couldn't actually they have been a little bit cheap and then there's that little bridge i don't know if you call it a bridge from some sort of a walkway across there that people are using because they just want to get over there with their families i don't feel safe parking like on the side of the entrance yeah especially when there's a couple cars there it's it's tough it's not a safe situation for sure i think jesse was trying to say something at one point i thought maybe or you want to check with jessica can you guys hear me yeah all right i guess i just wanted to [27:18] **Jesse**: kind of you know i know you've i've been listening in here and i guess my opinion on this is i'm in favor of getting rid of the we're getting rid of the gates because this is i guess we can't lose focus that this is a public park um you know you you could we can kind of go back and forth on the fields are going to get tore up this is that that could happen anywhere it can happen if the gates are there i know i've been there numerous times when that park is closed with other small groups that have coordinated to have hey let's go play soccer this afternoon well i don't care if there's a gate or not people are going to use it and if we build something like this in hermantown i guess being a resident of hermantown i [28:03] **Jesse**: want people to use it i want to be proud of what we have and i think if you open it up i think you can also have the you're going to get a lot of public people that are going to use it and they're going to kind of secure you know provide their own security where if they see something you're i'm hoping people are going to report that as like a community service so i i guess i'm a believer and you know if this is a public park let's open it up i would love to see people use it because i know from the people i talk to at work and in the network of people out in the community they're really you know people look up to hermantown right now for all the amenities we have and i guess i don't want to start [28:49] **Jesse**: shutting everything down because then you know people aren't going to want to come to hermantown and use that kind of stuff and if it if it can get my kids out of doing something wrong to go kick around a soccer ball on an open field i guess i'm in favor of it go be a hiccup and honestly like fitness open and we've had no issues with i mean that i recall anything major happening with anybody vandalizing or abusing or taking advantage or doing a lot of damage or whatever i mean we just haven't and that's that's open too so um i guess the last point i would [29:36] **Jesse**: like to say too is i don't know who mentioned it earlier if we're that worried about it has anybody ever looked at what's the expense of putting a video camera for putting a camera system up to kind of monitor the traffic that goes in and out of there [29:53] **Joe Peterson**: yeah we've talked about that jesse for um especially you know towards that back a lot like i said at least the police cannot will now be able to get in there and drive around too in there and do a loop um but also at keem because with the new trail there and that back area not as visible so we've talked about both of those locations so that discussion will continue there is a video camera there [30:23] **Jim Sanderson**: as far as i know jim it's just a sign i don't tell anybody that it's around a public meeting um i mean it's to deter it but i mean which is not a bad thing i mean some people put those signs up in their yard right that they have a system but they don't um just to deter people but um yeah so we need we that will that will be a continued discussion and maybe even other areas as we continue to grow on this trail just from a safety perspective you know [31:16] **Natalie Peterson**: but um do you want to go on to 5b or actually uh i think that we should have a mister bowl from the park oh okay so sort of at least looking for a motion on the game and then that [31:37] **Natalie Peterson**: anybody want to make motion would the motion be to remove remove them okay i will move to remove the gate is there a motion is there a second i'll second that second although the favorites saying hi hi jesse we can't see you [32:24] **Jesse**: jesse are you hearing us yeah i can hear you i got cut off there for a second but did you guys go ahead with the motion [32:37] **Jesse**: okay i'm in favor of removing the gate motion carries thank you [32:49] **Eric Johnson**: thank you and mr mulder is working the staff report these numbers on that for [33:08] **Eric Johnson**: we were contacted by soccer back on june 7. they're asking for the ability for a 12 by 14 shed that they've been utilized in the rear corner of the parking lot right now we've got a couple of dumpsters down in the let's say the southwest quadrant of that parking lot that uh they would like to put a new shed in that location uh the purpose of that is to store any extra items like pennies i don't think as far as soccer balls but cones different things like that that each culture they have an ability to access it would be the socrates indicated that they would purchase it themselves it's something that um something to home [33:53] **Eric Johnson**: depot uh indeed this on skids would not give permanent structure per se for their foundation but uh it's something that um once again be a supply source for them to potentially move if it needs to be they're not using a new current building or are they running out of room they're running out of room that was one of the discussions myself with paul says he said do we have a different locking mechanism on that existing building some coaches couldn't access that it sounds like that soccer needs an additional room that's what their request is so right on that corner of the they're going to keep it on the concrete yes exactly that they figured there's a couple parking spots down in that area [34:38] **Natalie Peterson**: but for the most part and it won't because i know the trail will run runs right now down and then around which is not showing on this but that won't impede on that trail [34:50] **Eric Johnson**: no it will not the trail okay as long as they keep it on the pavement and don't impact that trail and that would be nice [35:07] **Eric Johnson**: i i indicated in soccer that didn't have a representative here tonight to explain unfortunately [35:26] **Jim Sanderson**: is there a motion to let soccer put an extra little building on story yeah i'll make a motion soccer to put up the story okay jim second oh second second all those favors say aye or raise your hand yeah hi hi we're hurrying out jesse thank you thank you [36:03] **Eric Johnson**: uh what i've been doing is working with kevin moore who's our city finance character as well as john mulder [36:12] **Eric Johnson**: where are we to date with our park dedication fund obviously there's a lot of monies going back and forth between these trail completions and what are some anticipated funding coming forward as well as a future park projects associated with it so right now after we've paid and gotten current on all our invoices associated with the trails approximately 68 000 remaining within the park dedication fund we still have 403 000 associated with the trail grant that's used once again directly for that project so with available funds approximately 471 thousand dollars to complete our trail works that we have uh between the section 24 [37:02] **Eric Johnson**: uh as well as the team rework is approximately [37:20] **Eric Johnson**: left blank that is what i've indicated a little bit earlier that we're waiting on that number um that will obviously change that balance that we have uh i will continue to work with kevin moore as well as david gold our city engineer are there things that have been built to park dedication and the grant that can be switched over to sales tax for instance so once again to keep at least the park dedication and a positive fun balance that is the goal of this so that's something that we're going to be continuing working on here over the next couple of months as these final invoices come through on trail work that way we do have four fairly large projects [38:08] **Eric Johnson**: that are on the rather near horizon here that's that's indicated in the second set of numbers here we have the jenny farms which is a nine last subdivision i'm located just west of the naval road sweden midway road at maple grove uh you can see that obviously there's two sources of park navigation here's what we get for the number of blocks and number of units that's eleven hundred dollars per each one of those and then we also get what's called a bedroom fee so at the time of the building if you build a four bedroom home you were charged 150 per bedroom for that which goes in the parking location as well so what i've done under that total column is i have both the number of units as well as anticipated [38:54] **Eric Johnson**: better freeze associated with each one of these products so for instance on jenny farms that can generate approximately 15 000 uh we're working with the developers what's called peyton acres that's the subdivision on stem road the south of maple grove road if you're heading on that if you look to the east you can see the existing road through there uh they're going to be coming in for their second phase for that so within the next month or so that's anticipated another 11 lots with them and once again [39:38] **Eric Johnson**: subdivision this is the property located at the northeast intersection of orchestra and forest thomas road it's a 29 lap subdivision that's proposed right there so uh with the potential park dedication and lots it's almost 32 000 and then obviously veterans would be upwards of 15 with that so potential 47 000 for that unless one other large project that has been approved that does not uh come under construction yet is what's known as the pillars of permit that's at a senior assisted living building essentially right across the street from us over here on the bay and maple grove uh between the number of units and the bedrooms for that that's approximately 56 000 for that so all told these are projects that are [40:24] **Eric Johnson**: occurring over the 21 22 almost 23 cycle how important it works is that we received a lot for the unit part dedication at the time of approval for these projects or the first permit and then the bedroom fees come later as lots are sold buildings come in and online that way so we're getting these traditionally two different times throughout the process this is trying to take a conservative view of what we know is happening uh this is just moving forward once again over the next essentially 12 to 24 months so that's plus or minus 107 000 anticipated to come in uh the city on average does do [41:09] **Eric Johnson**: what we call lot splits um almost one a month but to be conservative it's maybe one every two months and that generates another six to ten thousand dollars a year just on these residential labs that's just some of the random homes exactly i mean we also have the random homes being built here there that are filling in these developments that don't that aren't accounted for either yeah exactly so there's traditionally always some sort of monies coming in here as well uh and lastly as part of it i did not remove that number yet um we have as part of the students financial management plan starting in 2022 will be potentially one hundred thousand dollars each year going into the park dedication [41:55] **Eric Johnson**: fund to service seen money for future grant opportunities etc [42:10] **Eric Johnson**: so then lastly future part work and these are things that uh obviously he discussed here as a board and uh just different um thoughts looking at what we call our capital improvement projects uh over the next few years here so obviously when we're out at uh particularly there in field two that we realize that there's dugout issues uh paul has been getting this prices for that and essentially looking at twenty thousand dollars for a replacement number of gun dollars uh that's something that no needs to be done we anticipated the earliest that would happen this fall or something like that obviously skate park repairs we've all seen that paul has um located the source of the [42:56] **Eric Johnson**: uh black veterans of boards for that uh he has one of his uh members of his partner uh her public works staff is going to be working on that paul's just trying to free up time for that person to replace so forth participating that's about five thousand dollars to make those repairs out there uh as i mentioned earlier the theme creek dog park uh this is an open turf area that's adjacent to the fields plus wind is coming in about 37 000 for that just try to make that a little higher just to cover us up jim looks like we have a question [43:35] **Jim Sanderson**: yes when we voted on that last week about looking into it this isn't written in stone is it the dog park at king's creek it's not written in estonia health you were just going to look into that is there any did you come up with anything about dnr looking into dog park that close to the crib [43:55] **Eric Johnson**: i have not done that yet and honestly the um our trail is much closer to tell you the truth but i have not done that yet i think we just were looking at like what would the cost be and looking at the overall funding first you know and then kind of looking into does that location make the most sense what are those types of things that we have to consider from an environmental standpoint and that type of thing so this is the first initial kind of the first blush that way um we were uh down there with a pulse instead of john mulder a couple [44:28] **Eric Johnson**: weeks ago and this ties into a little later conversation but we're kicking around even it says what happens if the baseball field converted over to a dog and at that point we said no we're not comfortable with that that's an existing asset we want to keep that as baseball as softball we don't want to turn that over to a dog partner because once it goes that road it's tough to get it back yeah yeah well one thing i don't see on here is fixing the backstop those are these um that gives you the next thing these are these are like large items that you know identify you know thousands and tens of thousands of dollars for that the next item on 5d it's the uh uh hard repair projects so and then [45:15] **Eric Johnson**: i've got more information shared regarding that so yeah i did not get into something that needs for 500 or 2 000 this is more looking at a bigger picture bigger picture that way bigger chicken and then obviously with um the king creek as part of that trail project we are pouring a concrete pad similar to what we did at scavenger and so once again to utilize team freight for the trail gun we want to have one or two picnic bench trash receptacle bike rack that same type of branding that we've already done at step your car bring that same type of equipment down there install it on that pad and start turning this a little bit more over into a part where people get on a daily usage that way [46:00] **Eric Johnson**: and then on that same vein is uh we strive to have a playground in each one of our parks and so we don't have them and now there's more people coming through there won't even be able utilize that that that's something that we've identified what's called our capital improvement projects for a team creek playground somewhere in the next three to five years happening down there and something if we can break that for you earlier we'll look at that possibility but same thing plus remain involved working with forty thousand dollars so i tend to buy the play equipment uh borders accepted that way and then lastly as part of it is councillor peterson indicated his trail signage is looking at a total branded um signage system through all [46:46] **Eric Johnson**: the park that way uh right now the seventh place over plus minus ten thousand dollars for that i see joel wicklings he's our communications director he's been uh taking the lead and looking at some different signing options that way so we'll continue to work with him as it moves along gets more from the price associated there as well but instead of these are looking at the larger type of items that way and then as we move into it in our last i o uh we'll get into some of those details it never repairs that way but at this point are there any questions or thoughts regarding where we are from a budget standpoint uh any once again this larger type of projects that way [47:24] **Jim Sanderson**: has there has there been any word about the picner infinite initiative through the senate half percent sales tax [47:33] **Joe Peterson**: yeah the um and you may have more information than i do but it's it is i believe they're still reconciling the bills as that were so the house and the senate both had it their bills and but their language was different and the remotes were different um and so the committee met and finalized basically the bill and we received that yesterday morning and they had the three projects in there fichner was part of it but the mounts were all hung um it just came down to i think somebody going reconcile this we have this here this here combine it and they just did it so we [48:20] **Joe Peterson**: emailed senator box office last night or this morning but we had a work session last night just around the recreation initiative and said fyi uh this is not correct and so um i just got an email from joe wicklund um who's working on the legislative side and box office was like okay i'll work to get this corrected immediately um we received um i'm reading this because i haven't even read this in full yet but um tom bach who's very always responsive was great said yep um he would he cc'd he sent an email cc'd senator nelson who chose the group um as well as his top support [49:08] **Joe Peterson**: person and then we heard from the legal counsel consul for the tax committee to get the right information so at this point jim i would if i was a betting person i would put all of my chips in on all of the parks being included and the dollar amount being what we had expected and anticipated and that we will be in the tax bill the biggest question is will the tax bill go forward because there's a lot a lot around the tax bill that needs to be agreed upon unfortunately and it comes down to politics so yeah right now yes so if that goes through [49:54] **Joe Peterson**: gets approved there will be a whole community initiative recreation like a hawk pride to that will work with you know the community in communication and advocating for the referendum vote come fall 2022. so some of this stuff like uh that king's creek and stuff that be paid in picner park could be paid through through that initiative if it passes the sphincter can team creep is not [50:35] **Joe Peterson**: unless it's trail oriented yeah since that's true unless it's trail oriented then that would impact keene but um but anything else would not be so it's it is focused on the trails thickner and the second sheet connected to the first sheet um and that was all based on what the highest needs really were for the community i feel the good news is that fitner is still involved in the initiative and it always was for us just to clarify that it was and the house had it right but the senate put it through with one and i mean that's there's so many moving parts and so many [51:20] **Joe Peterson**: projects that they're working on i i don't think it was intentional i think it was somewhat of an oversight or or something political where somebody said i don't think it should be in and it got dropped i mean you just don't even know but the the key part is is the money that they've got allotted is there for all three of those fields we just are waiting for the final language and final amount yeah definitely necessary so to your point some of the fickner things it just doesn't make sense to invest right now some of these things because we you know the hope is is that this goes through the referendum passes and we can make the you know the right changes there instead of some band-aids a little bit [52:30] **Eric Johnson**: ended before the meeting what i did was utilized uh obviously this year's heart walk through that i've noticed over the past year or two and other outstanding items associated with this and uh wrote this down in a part by part basis in particular where we have multiple elements uh trying to break it down into a field like field type of basis that way and then this is getting any more [53:05] **Eric Johnson**: briefly in different things items like on field one data storage [53:38] **Eric Johnson**: that's a big item that gets into more master planning and in sorts of large funding for the part as well we do realize that that needs to happen and um if initiation goes it gives us a lot of opportunities if it doesn't deliver some different brands to be able to take care of those things also like we did with stamina exactly exactly um there's various um all the different dugouts where we [54:29] **Eric Johnson**: we try to be cognizant of where we can that if we replace this into [55:15] **Eric Johnson**: if there is a greater rebuild of thicker part and for instance the batting page that was just added in over at field one those are actually sleeved into the concrete so we do have the ability to pull those out and reuse those in a different location uh likewise any sort of um chain linking one of these dugouts you know try to work the best [55:15] **Eric Johnson**: available otherwise uh same thing will go to the same issues uh that does not repair uh we're still budgeting uh for that coming from recycle here ada that gets into that previous comment field three the same thing down over here and that one's actually missing that's where we're missing that concrete block piece uh the rope on that is getting a little uh old and warm it's the same as one of two things thickness big amount of money easy to address otherwise it's budgeting for lackluster 88 accessibility um in field four [56:00] **Eric Johnson**: potential backstop regardless underneath that one does it seem to be functioning well that way or do we become a piece of chain and that's something that um [56:26] **Eric Johnson**: steel coating through all the whole car systems it had to the initiative this 2023 capital improvement plan that was removed uh looked to try to get that back in the 2023 cycle and that would cover the basketball as well uh concession building we have that uh door that needs to be replaced that sliding door that we have uh paul's gonna be getting pricing on that looking to do that in 2022 and start budgeting for a perfect place right in the next three to five years that's assuming that i told the building we do with a greater source uh skate park as i said approximately four to five thousand for materials i'm trying [57:39] **Natalie Peterson**: i'm sorry i'm sorry okay before you go on um i don't know i'm not an expert in this i'm not going to pretend but are there if there's significant enough cracks does the crack seal help on any of that does that make sense [57:56] **Eric Johnson**: yeah there's like a certain gap that you can cover with that and uh okay so the same thing if it comes under a certain point is it a build an overlay sort of situation you put that under two or three inches that way i just we're gonna have to be thoughtful if the gaps are big enough that we've got major tripping hazards for little kids or things of that nature so i i haven't walked that part so just yep exactly and then you do this thing and then skateboarder right right [58:26] **Eric Johnson**: yeah we just don't want anybody to get injured from it i guess i'll just i'll i'll give the board an opportunity to get to the park to maybe ask is there anything else from this group that hey what about this or what's the timeline on that all makes sense to me let's hope we get bigger dollars that we can do major changes nice joy spring yeah yeah it helped [59:08] **Jim Sanderson**: and is there any question any reports back from the high school if they plan on doing anything up there for either softball or baseball or [59:13] **Joe Peterson**: high school itself i mean they got that nice log are they still going to use that just so it's a practice for football they've resolded that whole oh the back field yeah that's just for practice for football as far as i understand it yep and for the youth not just practice for high school but the youth programs use that as well i know that i i've not heard of anything else but as far as baseball softball i don't think that's even on their radar anymore but at all unless there's something different that i'm not saying yeah john mulder at least with um terry was there he didn't try to have a monthly meeting maybe he's trying to do that same thing [59:58] **Joe Peterson**: is to keep that uh communication i think they're meeting this week is it okay i think it's i think so they they have a meeting coming up i know that now that covet is lifted a little bit they can [1:00:27] **Eric Johnson**: uh jim richardson inspected the concrete block wall and he's in a coordinated repair he said to plan on the work in the late summer early fall this year but he didn't review that this past week and he was gonna coordinate that order uh reid development spoke to hyster they're able to remove that existing kickboard that's good it looks bad but other than that i mean gentlemen is always in pretty good shape i think like i said that we've secured those fields from a rock standpoint and um let's continue to work with dow maz's gate scenario hi okay well thanks for being here kelly do you have any thoughts or questions on anything before you go quick i mean you're good okay just making sure [1:01:18] **Eric Johnson**: uh rolls roll uh page is going to be installed after the softball field in august they will be located in that same location as existing one is i know jim you have that question uh the manchester united three are on back or paul's trying to expedite those in participation they're not going to get here for the first [1:01:51] **Eric Johnson**: in outfield for the church establishment i did a couple items down next to that this is what the work has been done so far a contractor under the warranty installing different basically [1:02:18] **Eric Johnson**: leads for a lot of better words working with some different seed mixes different starters to keep that goal i was out there let's say mid last week it looked a little better but there are still a lot of secure patches so um this is something we're going to continue to work with them but the other thing is the contractor a plus is that they are going to need mold and water the irrigation field so [1:02:54] **Eric Johnson**: but if you get any comments or you see it just let me know if that is the responsibility [1:03:14] **Jim Sanderson**: my list from 2016 that fence along on field number one the fence along the third baseline is still up about that far we've spoken [1:03:42] **Eric Johnson**: wasn't really a concern because the little kids playing that but when the high school plays there the jv team plays on that team somebody's sliding in or going after a ball to get their leg cut underneath that fence and it's more of getting [1:04:10] **Jim Sanderson**: is on that list where one of the posts for the fence is inside the dugout yeah that's one that's teamed up to the roof that way yeah that's what i spoke to him specifically about that and he said that that was being addressed he called so i will verify that then oh yeah [1:04:59] **Eric Johnson**: that you traditionally have the concrete goes in just to provide that stability but yeah the drone especially when air parks are wet he wants to spit these things out and uh constant battle every year for us but that was on my list from yeah that's been 16. just jesse texted me he had to sign off he has a baseball game at 6. [1:05:20] **Natalie Peterson**: just letting you [1:05:35] **Eric Johnson**: did he say why august i'm just curious he's trying to board new projects um the dogs as well oh [1:06:01] **Eric Johnson**: and he's working on the uh [1:06:16] **Eric Johnson**: they kept on getting their own water and one of them was the most they could get the 25 feet that is this worry up at roads is how much growing what are they going to get on these things yeah there's such a massive [1:06:40] **Eric Johnson**: what are your plans what are your thoughts for that field and they came back uh late last week saying that they are interested tonight would that feel and they're wondering if there's an opportunity to partner with the city to get that in shape for play now what is it is that a friend dug out brand new bad aerial backstops fencing etc etc what's the extent of that so we need to continue conversations and are you looking because that'll really look at the dynamics of what we have in that field to make it work but at least there's some preliminary indications that they want [1:07:26] **Eric Johnson**: to partner with us to work on that field well i think we need a list of what that means to them yes we all know the same expectations that way so that may start to answer a little bit of your questions but i think the first thing whether it's going to be a practice field or a play field the back stop has to be fixed you can't practice on a field when you pass balls when the fence is up that line from the back stuff it's impossible yeah that in the same thing would say whatever we want to do once we're like bringing the whole new system and um and right now i'm talking to baseball they say oh yeah that's right we can use that it's like i don't think it's getting used down there at all for anybody and um so but yeah [1:08:13] **Natalie Peterson**: that could be a conversation with those guys it's a little bit of a chicken and an egg you know like is it in the condition for them to use it you know i mean or i mean do we fix it so they'll use it or you know we want them to be using it so it makes sense for us to fix it and but we just i think it all comes down to like we just need to get together and say what what is your intended use and what is your idea of what needs to happen for it to be available for what your expectations are and how you want to use it because the field the grass field is an excellent shape the anfield is all weed [1:08:58] **Jim Sanderson**: i mean not replaced right now but the lower fence maybe has to [1:09:15] **Natalie Peterson**: they played softball um they would practice on that field so i don't know if people are using it and just not you know they just would use it when there was no other space anywhere right so people probably are we just don't even informal no informally using it yeah so and i agree it's pretty hard people chasing balls [1:09:45] **Eric Johnson**: potential playground as well as [1:10:00] **Eric Johnson**: expenditures that way just to help everybody else because when we get over 20 000 we call the capital improvement pocket we start budgeting for those things you know we look at a series of five years increments and try to [1:10:20] **Natalie Peterson**: and what about that walkway or was the heating and the walkway at keene [1:10:27] **Eric Johnson**: that's part of the trail okay yep initially when they cut in the trail it was extremely close to the out for the fencing for the king baseball field and because they need to have some ditching for water in advance we said no pull that away from that fence a bit more but before a tumorous pathway to that existing opening in that rate [1:11:04] **Eric Johnson**: that solved that problem that's been existing but it's part of it we've lost some of that green big grassy area because we had to burn these burns soils on site we had so much that muck material they started creating a bird along the edge of that grassy area and the baseball floor so when we go down there in one time you'll see it's like oh that looks different because that's a lot of that material is that you hate to say it costs three dollars a square foot to do that it costs 15 square foot to haul away and when you're talking hundreds of trucks you sometimes have to do that plus the traffic yeah exactly so [1:11:51] **Eric Johnson**: um kind of an eventual different projects uh i've tried to get some times on these things and some don't but these are oh i love this document that's great really nice job on the financial document and this i don't think i've ever seen that before no i like that eric a lot so do it again we'll just maintain it maintain it that's right [1:12:32] **Natalie Peterson**: as far as communications uh [1:12:48] **Joe Peterson**: no well jessie's off but i just was gonna give the recreation update but i already did that [1:13:30] **Joe Peterson**: i think we're going to have a showing at the council on mondays