>>COUN. BENTON: GOOD EVENING. THE 22nd MEETING OF THE 25th COUNCIL WILL COME TO ORDER. ALL COUNCILORS ARE PRESENT. WE'LL GET STARTED WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN ENGLISH BY COUNCILOR GROUT AND SPANISH BY COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. BENTON: CIVIC PLAZA PARKING PASSES ARE PROVIDED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC YOU CAN OBTAIN A PARKING PASS NEAR THE CHAMBER'S ENTRANCE. MEMBERS OF THE STAFF AND MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA SKR THE ABILITY TO VIEW THIS ON PERSON AND LIVE STREAM THROUGH GOVTV ON COMCAST CHANNEL 16. GOVTV WEBSITE, YOUTUBE AND ZOOM WEBINAR. LIVE STREAMS CAN BE ACCESSED FROM MOST SMART PHONES, TABLETS AND COMPUTERS. THIS MEETING IS CLOSED CAPTIONED AND YOU MAY ENABLE THE SERVICES ON YOUR TELEVISION OR DEVICE AT THIS TIME. THE VIDEO RECORDING OF THIS AND ALL PAST COUNCIL MEETINGS WILL REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING AT ANY TIME ON THE CITY COUNCIL'S WEBSITE. IF YOU NEED HELP WITH THAT WEBSITE, YOU CAN CONTACT COUNCIL STAFF AT 768-3100 DURING BUSINESS HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A BREAK AT APPROXIMATELY 7 P.M. THIS EVENING, IF NECESSARY. WE'LL START WITH PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT GAVALES -- GAVELS TO THE 2022 COMMITTEE CHAIRS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE IN 2022. WE'LL START WITH COUNCILOR BASSAN WHO SERVED AS OUR COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE CHAIR. AND VERY IMPORTANT POSITION ON THE COUNCIL, USUALLIER CONSIDERED SECOND TO THE PRESIDENT IN IMPORTANCE OF THE POSITION ON THE COUNCIL BECAUSE OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THE COUNCIL WITH REGARD TO THE CITY BUDGET. APPRECIATE COUNCILOR BASSAN'S SERVICE. AND WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL. I THINK YOU HAVE A HAMMER THERE. VERY GOOD. [ APPLAUSE ]. NEXT IS COUNCILOR DAVIS WHO SERVED AS THE CHAIR OF OUR FINANCE, GOVERNMENT AND OPERATIONS COMMITTEE. COUNCILOR DAVIS, WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE ON THIS COMMITTEE. A LOT OF THE HEAVY LIFTING ON THE COUNCIL. THANKS SO MUCH FOR THAT. [ APPLAUSE ]. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, APPROPRIATELY THIS YEAR CHAIRED OUR PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. A NEW COMMITTEE ON THE COUNCIL. AS OF LAST YEAR. AND DID A VERY GOOD JOB. WE REALLY APPRECIATE HIS SERVICE. [ APPLAUSE ]. AND COUNCILOR JONES, ONCE AGAIN, HOW MANY TIMES HAS IT BEEN, TRUDY, CHAIRED THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE. AND COULDN'T HAVE A BETTER CHAIR OF THAT COMMITTEE WITH THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE OF COUNCILOR JONES AND THANKS SO MUCH, COUNCILOR, FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THAT COMMITTEE. [ APPLAUSE ]. I WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR LEWIS FOR SERVING AS VICE-CHAIR THIS YEAR. VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL. AND STOOD IN FOR ME ON A FEW OCCASIONS. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND JUST HELPED BACK UP OUR OPERATIONS ON THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ]. ALL RIGHT. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, I WANT TO THANK OUR PRESIDENT COUNCILOR BENTON FOR SERVING AS PRESIDENT AND THANKS FOR GUIDING THIS COUNCIL. YOU HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AND YOU'VE LED THIS COUNCIL WELL. WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL AND APPRECIATIVE OF YOU. YOU GET A GAVEL AS WELL, I I BELIEVE. >>COUN. BENTON: ALL RIGHT. THANKS SO MUCH. WE'LL MOVE TO THE AGENDA. WE HAVE NO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DISCUSSION TONIGHT. BUT WE -- THEREFORE WE'LL MOVE TO THE ADMINISTRATION QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CHIEF OF POLICE. LAST YEAR, AT THIS TIME, WE ENDED UP STARTING THE YEAR WONDERING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN REFERENCE TO THE HOMICIDE NUMBERS AND HERE WE ARE, WE JUST BROKE ANOTHER HOMICIDE NUMBER. I KNOW FOR A FACT, BY THE CHIEF'S OWN WORDS WE HAVE LESS OFFICERS NOW THAN WE DID LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME. IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO DWINDLE. I WANT TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION, SO WE DON'T GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN, WHAT IS THE PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THESE TWO ISSUES ARISE AGAIN. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT -- THIS SHOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THE CITIZENS, US COUNCILORS, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. IN MY OPINION, THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T MOVE THE BAR AND WE ENDED UP IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE AND MY OPINION THAT'S A TOTAL FAILURE. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT SO WE CAN RTAPE -- RETAIN OFFICERS AND GROW THE DEPARTMENT AND MAKE SURE OUR CRIMES, MISDEMEANOR, AND VIOLENT CRIMES ARE TAKING CARE OF APPROPRIATELY AND WE DON'T SUFFER ANY MORE LOSSES FOR THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE. >> YOU WANTED CURRENT STAFFING NUMBERS, IS THAT CORRECT? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I'LL TAKE THOSE. >> WE HAVE 869 SWORN MEMBERS. WE HAVE 35 CADETS IN THE ACADEMY. I BELIEVE THE ACADEMY HAS BEEN UNDERWAY THREE WEEKS. WE HAVE 12 LATERALS IN THE CNM ACADEMY WHICH IS ON THE WAY. AND WE HAVE 50 CADETS SLATED FOR THE NEXT ACADEMY. THAT IS A SNAPSHOT OF THE STAFFING NUMBERS. OBVIOUSLY, WE SHARE THE CONCERNS NOTED AND RELATED TO THE HOMICIDE NUMBERS. WE HAVE MADE TREMENDOUS STRIDES. I KNOW CHIEF HAS MENTIONED RELATED TO THE RESOURCES AND ACADEMY AND ENSURE WE'RE ABLE TO -- I DON'T LIKE THE WORD CLOSURE BUT JUSTICE TO THE OFFENDERS AND PROVIDE JUSTICE TO THE FAMILY THAT LOST FAMILY MEMBERS. THAT IS GOING TO CONTINUE. OUR OVERALL DEDICATION TO IMPACT AND NOT HAVE THE NUMBERS BE WHAT THEY WERE LAST YEAR IS RESOLUTE. AND ONGOING. I'D BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YOU FORGOT ONE NUMBER. HOW MANY OFFICERS ARE BOOTS ON THE GROUND DOING THE JOB? HOW ARE THE CALLS HOLDING? THAT'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE WE'RE DEALING FROM THE PUBLIC. WE'RE GETTING INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE CALLING THE POLICE, STILL NOT GETTING THE DISPATCHED. I'M GETTING PHONE CALLS THAT THE CALLS ARE NOT HANDLED APPROPRIATELY. SOME OF THESE CALLS AREN'T BEING HANDLED THE WAY THEY SHOULD. MY GUESS IS I'M SEEING OFFICERS FOLLOWING EACH OTHER AROUND THE CITY, OBVIOUSLY, TO BACK EACH OTHER UP. IT DOESN'T SEEM -- IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT LESS POLICE OFFICERS ANSWERING CALLS FOR SERVICE NOW. AND WHAT ARE THE EXACT NUMBERS OF OFFICERS THAT ARE HANDLING CALLS FOR SERVICES IN EACH AREA COMMAND NOT INCLUING LIEUTENANTS AND COMMANDERS. WE ALSO HAVE OTHER UNIFORMED OFFICERS THAT SHOULDN'T BE INCLUDED. THEY'RE DOING OTHER DUTIES. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ANSWERING CALLS FOR SERVICE RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE TODAY? >> I DO NOT HAVE THE BUREAU BY BUREAU BREAKDOWN YOU'RE ASKING FOR TONIGHT. I'LL MAKE SURE WE PROVIDE IT TO YOU AND EVERY MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL. I DO NOT HAVE THAT PARTICULAR BREAKDOWN. I KNOW THAT CHIEF MEDINA HAS SPOKEN ABOUT OUR RESPONSE TIME. AND RECENTLY EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN UNDERWAY HAVE REDUCED THEM DRAMATICALLY. WE CONTINUE TO PRESS FOR THAT KNOWING THERE'S AN EXPECTATION AND NEED TO HAVE OFFICERS RESPOND AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. WE'VE HAD SIGNIFICANT DECREASES IN THOSE RESPONSE TIMES. THAT IS GOING TO BE ONGOING. FOR THE CALLS FOR SERVICE. THAT WORK WILL CONTINUE INTO 2023. I DON'T HAVE THE OTHER BREAKDOWNS YOU ARE REQUESTING. WE'LL PROVIDE THEM BY TOMORROW. I CAN MAKE THAT EFFORT. THAT'S A COMPLICATED SET OF NUMBERS. I'LL TRY TO DO THAT DURING THIS MEETING. I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE THEM IN FRONT OF ME. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US ON COUNCIL CONTINUALLY GET THESE NUMBERS AS A REPORT CARD ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS. IF YOU WOULD MAKE SURE THE CHIEF MAKES SURE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US INCLUDING THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON EACH AND EVERY COUNCIL MEETING. IN OTHER CITIES, ACROSS THE UNITED STATES, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ALWAYS DEALT WITH. AND IT'S VERY COMMON. IT'S INFORMATION THAT THE PUBLIC DOES NEED. ALSO, YOU DIDN'T ADVISE WHAT YOUR PLAN IS TO REDUCE THE HOMICIDES AND ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RETENTION OF OFFICERS CONTINUING. >> THE HOMICIDE PREVENTION, WE CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON THE MOST VIOLENT OFFENDERS IN THE CITY AND BUILD ROBUST CASES AGAINST THEM. SO THE PROSECUTION MOVES FORWARD. WE WORK WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND WORK WITH THE NEW D.A., AND WE LOOK FOR SUCCESSFUL OUTCOMES. STATISTICALLY, IT'S A FAIRLY SMALL NUMBER OF THE MOST VIOLENT OFFENDERS. IF WE'RE ABLE TO OBTAIN CONVICTIONS IT WILL HAVE THE GREATEST IMPACT. WE'RE HIGHLY DEDICATED TO DOING THAT. AND THAT WILL CONTINUE. I KNOW CHIEF MEDINA MENTIONED THE DETECTIVE ACADEMY TO BUILD THE SKILLS OF OUR FOLKS INVESTIGATING THE VIOLENT OFFENSES SO WE CAN HAVE SUCCESSFUL OUTCOMES. IT DOES IMPACT VIOLENT CRIME. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALSO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE AND OUR COUNCIL IS THE FACT WE NEED TO BE PROACTIVE IN REFERENCE TO DEALING WITH THESE POTENTIAL SITUATIONS. WHAT ARE WE DOING ON A PROACTIVE SIDE TO GAIN MORE OFFICERS AND TO MAKE SURE WE'RE REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF HOMICIDES? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: FROM A PROACTIVE SIDE, WE HAVE SET RECORDS FOR SEVERAL YEARS. I HAVE SPECIAL OPERATIONS BUREAU WHICH INCLUDES METRO TRAFFIC DIVISION. AND THAT DIVISION SET RECORDS IN EVERY ASPECT IN TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT. I KNOW THE FIELD HAS SET RECORDS RELATED TO STOPS, CITATIONS, FELONY ARRESTS AND WARRANTS AND MISDEMEANOR WARRANTS THAT WERE SERVED. THAT'S A COMMITMENT FOR CHIEF AND ALL OF US TO BE PROACTIVE. NOT JUST RESPONDING TO CALLS WHICH IS CRITICAL BUT ALSO TRYING TO TAKE THE STEPS THAT IMPACT THE CRIME BEFORE IT OCCURS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: ONE LAST QUESTION. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A BID COMING UP IN JANUARY. WHAT I'M HEARING IS IT'S GOING TO BE THE LOWEST BID IN THE HISTORY OF ALBUQUERQUE. AND THAT IS WHERE THE HEART AND SOUL OF THE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE IS WORKING THE FIELD SERVICES BUREAU. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE PUTTING OUR OFFICERS AT EXTREME RISK BY HAVING THEM WORK 12 HOUR SHIFTS AND HAVING THEM BEING INVOLVED IN A LOW MANPOWER SITUATION. WHAT ARE WE DOING TO BUILD THAT? >> THE BID IS UNDERWAY. LIEUTENANTS BID TO YOUED. -- TODAY. THAT'S A FOUR-WEEK PROCESS. I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME. THAT'S A PROCESS IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW. I KNOW CHIEF MEDINA HAS SPOKEN ABOUT THE BEST HIRING PROCESS. WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS CREATIVE AS WE CAN. THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE WITH PAY RAISES FOR APOA MEMBERS. AND THE SUPPORTS WITH INCENTIVES TO RETAIN EMPLOYEES. IT'S CLEARLY A CHALLENGE TO RETAIN PEOPLE IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. AND POLICING AS WE ALL EXPERIENCE IT TODAY. THAT COMMITMENT IS ONGOING AND ROBUST. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I HAVE A NUMBER OF 389 BIDDING. IS THAT CORRECT? >> I DON'T HAVE THE BID NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME FOR ANY RANK. BE IT OFFICER, SERGEANT OR LIEUTENANT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WHY IS THAT, IF I HAVE THEM? I HAVE OFFICERS GIVING IT TO ME STRAIGHT OFF THE BACK LIST OF THE BID LIST. >> COULD YOU REPHRASE YOUR QUESTION? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SOMEONE SENT ME THE LAST COPY OF THE LAST PAGE OF THE BID LIST AND IT SAID 289. LET ME LOOK. >> ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME. OFFICERS HAVE NOT BID YET. I KNOW THAT. SERGEANT BIDS BID NEXT WEEK AND OFFICERS THE WEEK AFTER THAT. I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE THOSE NUMBERS TO YOU. AND WILL DO SO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: IF YOU CAN GET ME THE NUMBERS SINCE THE BID LIST IS ALREADY OUT THERE. SOMEONE IN YOUR STAFF SHOULD HAVE THAT EXACT BID NUMBER FOR OFFICERS AND THAT'S THE NUMBER I WANT. OFFICERS THAT BID FOR THEIR SERGEANT AND NUMBERS OF OFFICERS BIDDING IN THE FIELD SERVICES. AT THAT POINT, WE ALSO KNOW THESE OFFICERS, ONCE THE BID HAPPENS, BECAUSE OF MY INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, IS WE'RE GOING TO PUT THESE OFFICERS INTO SPECIALIZED UNITS AFTER THE BID. IF YOU CAN GIVE ME THE BID LIST NUMBER THAT WE CAN MINUS THE 10% GOING IN DOORS, THAT WILL GIVE ME THE PROPER NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS ON THE BID. IF YOU CAN HAVE SOMEONE GRAB THAT. >> RELATE TODAY THE BID WE TRY TO HAVE AS MUCH MOVEMENT BEFORE THE BID SO IT CAN BE CLEAN AND PROPERLY. THE NUMBERS DON'T CHANGE DRAMATICALLY. WE TRY TO HAVE AS MUCH MOVEMENT AS WE CAN TO FILL THOSE CRITICAL VACANCIES PRIOR TO THE BID TO KEEP IT -- >>COUN. SANCHEZ: IF THAT'S TRUE THAT'S THE VERY FIRST TIME I'VE EVER SEEN IT HAPPEN. >> THAT'S WHAT WE ACTIVELY TRY TO DO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR APD AS WELL. THESE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE FOR CHIEF MEDINA. I'M SAD HE'S NOT HERE. MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS FOR ME. THESE ARE ON PORKING ENFORCEMENT. WHEN A CAR IS INOPERABLE, HOW LONG DOES AN OWNER HAVE TO HAVE THAT CAR REMOVED? >> I'M GOING TO HAVE LIEUTENANT MARTINEZ COME. HE'S WITH THE TRAFFIC UNIT. HE'S OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ON THAT. >> WHAT WAS THE QUESTION AGAIN? >>COUN. GROUT: WHEN A VEHICLE IS INOPERABLE AND IT'S TICKETED, HOW LONG DOES THE OWNER HAVE BEFORE IT'S TOWED? >> USUALLY WITHIN A RANGE OF TEN DAYS. ONCE WE NOTICE THE VEHICLE AND WE TRY TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE OWNER. IF WE DO OR DON'T, WE GIVE THEM THREE DAYS. IF THE VEHICLE IS NOT MOVED, WE RED TAG IT. WRITE THE DATE OF WHEN IT'S RED TAGGED. AND FROM THAT DATE THEY HAVE SEVEN DAYS. WE'LL RETURN IN SEVEN DAYS IF IT'S STILL THERE IT WILL ME REMOVED. ARE YOU ALSO DOING THAT FOR NO LICENSE PLATE OR EXPIRED REGISTRATION? >> YES, MA'AM. >>COUN. GROUT: ARE WE ENFORCING THAT? >> YES, MA'AM. >>COUN. GROUT: VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. I NEEDED TO KNOW. THANK YOU. I ALSO HAD A FEW QUESTIONS -- I WANTED TO JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PRT IN THE FOOTHILLS COMMAND. BACK IN OCTOBER, CHIEF MEDINA AND HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT A GREAT JOB THE PRT TEAM IS DOING. AND WE KNEW THAT IF THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL HELP THEY WOULD DO A BETTER JOB AT CLEANING UP THE CRIME ON CENTRAL, EAST CENTRAL. I WANTED TO COMMEND CHIEF MEDINA FOR THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX AND NOT TAKING ANYBODY OFF THE BEAT. BUT FINDING PEOPLE THAT WERE AVAILABLE TO HELP WITH THE PRT AND FOR THE LAST TWO MONTHS THEY HAVE BEEN KNOCKING IT OUT OF THE PARK. SERGEANT MOORE IS IN THE BACK AND I WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO HIS TEAM. WITH THOSE SIX OFFICERS, OVER THE LAST TWO MONTHS, THEY HAVE -- IN THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER THEY MADE 70 FELONY ARRESTS. CLEARED 101 OUTSTANDING FELONY WARRANTS. MADE 14 MISDEMEANOR ARRESTS. AND CLEARED 32 OUTSTANDING MISDEMEANOR WARRANTS. THEN IN NOVEMBER, THE TEAM MADE 61 FELONY ARRESTS. CLEARED 79 FELONY WARRANTS. MADE 12 MISDEMEANOR ARRESTS, AND CLEARED 23 MISDEMEANOR WARRANTS. AND ISSUED 57 MISDEMEANOR CITATIONS. AND PEOPLE IN OUR AREA ARE NOTICING THE DIFFERENCE. YOUR PRESENCE IS MAKING A DIFFERENCE. IT'S BEEN MUCH BETTER. AND I JUST WANTED TO PUBLICLY SAY THANK YOU. WE HAVE REALLY APPRECIATED THE EXTRA EFFORT. IT'S MAKING A DIFFERENCE. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. THEY WERE DESERVING OF THAT PRAISE. THEY'RE AWARDED THE TEAM OF THE MONTH THIS WEEK FOR THE RECOGNITION OF THE WORK YOU ARTICULATED. I'LL CONVEY THAT AS WELL. THE PERSONNEL ARE DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. WE LOOK FORWARD TO STICKING TO IT AND DOING MORE GOOD WORK. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COUNCILORS? >>COUN. GROUT: I HAVE TWO MORE. I'VE BEEN SAVING MY QUESTIONS FOR A MONTH. THIS IS FOR AFR. THANK YOU, ALL. HOW ARE YOU, DEPUTY CHIEF? >> I'M WELL. >>COUN. GROUT: NICE TO SEE YOU. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT FENTANYL IN THE COMMUNITY. IT'S A REAL PROBLEM. JUST TALKING ABOUT AFR CALL OUTS, HOW MANY OF THEM INVOLVED CHILDREN? >> COUNCILOR GROUT, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. AND THANK YOU FOR INVITING US TO TALK ABILITY FENTANYL. WE'RE LUCKY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PANEL THAT BERNALILLO COUNTY PUT ON A FEW MONTHS AGO. AS FAR AS DATA RELATED TO OVERDOSE IN CHILDREN, IT'S TRICKY. THE MEASUREMENT IS A COUPLE OF WAYS. NARCAN ADMINISTRATION AND THE PROVIDERS ON SCENE IF THEY BELIEVE THEY INGESTED AN OVERDOSE. SOME OF THAT COMES OUT IN SUBSEQUENT REPORTS FROM HOSPITALS. I'LL SHARE A FEW NUMBERS WITH YOU. IF YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. OVER THE PAST 12 MONTHS WE ADMINISTERED 730 DOSES OF NARCAN. THAT WAS ACROSS THE BOARD TO ALL AGES. THE THAT NUMBER WAS CLOSER TO 350. IT'S DOUBLED THAN WHAT WE USED TO GIVE SEVERAL YEARS AGO. WE HAD 559 RESPONSES TO CALLS CODED. AND THAT'S ALL AGES. OF THE NUMBERS OF NARCAN ADMINISTRATION 22% OF THE ADMINISTRATION WAS TO YOUTH AGES 0-19. AND WE HAD 23 OVERDOSE CALLS FOR CHILDREN AGES 0-19. I'M SORRY, I GAVE YOU THAT NUMBER WRONG. THAT WAS CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 1. 23 CALLS FOR OVERDOSE. ONE OTHER PIECE OF DATA I WANTED TO SHARE RELATED TO OVERDOSE TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE IS OVER THE PAST 12 MONTHS WE RESPONDED TO 1,595 DEATHS. AND 942 OF THEM WERE OBVIOUS DEATHS. WHERE WE ARRIVE ON SCENE AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. THAT NUMBER HAS INCREASED AND A LOT OF THOSE WE BELIEVE ARE ATTRIBUTED TO OVERDOSE. I WANTED TO POINT THAT ONE OUT BECAUSE IN THAT DATA SET, WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN DEATH UNDER THE AGE OF 59. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE HIGHER RATES OF DEATH UNDER 59 THAN WE DO 60 AND UP. OUT OF THAT NUMBER 842 WERE 59 AND UNDER. AND 60 AND UP WERE 753. I WANTED TO PUT COMPLETE DATA THAT IT'S AFFECTING A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. SO, I GAVE YOU A LITTLE BIT EXTRA. I FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE CONTEXT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. HOW ARE THE KIDS GETTING A HOLD OF THE FENTANYL? >> IT DEPENDS ON THE AGE. AND WHAT OUR PROVIDERS ARE ABLE TO FIND ON SCENE. ONE OF THE MOST, FOR THE YOUNGER CHILDREN, IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER MEDICATION OR ANYTHING IN THE HOUSEHOLD. KEEPING IT OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN IS SO IMPORTANT. IF YOU SEE IMAGES OF WHAT FENTANYL LOOKS LIKE IT'S PASTEL PILLS. IT LOOKS LIKE CANDY. I HAVE A 7-YEAR-OLD THAT EATS THINGS HE FOUNDS ON THE GROUND, UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW ANYTHING THEY HAVE HARMFUL IN THE HOME NEEDS TO BE KEPT OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN ESPECIALLY ANYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE CANDY. FOR YOUNGER CHILDREN THAT'S WHERE WE ARE FINDING THEY'RE GETTING A HOLD OF IT BECAUSE THEY'RE CURIOUS. FOR OUR YOUTH, OUR TEENS, MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS, WE WENT AND WORKED WITH THE STUDENTS AT A LOCAL MIDDLE SCHOOL ABOUT THE RISKS OF OVERDOSE. WITH THAT AGE IT'S EASIER TO ACCESS IT. THEY CAN FIND IT VERY EASILY THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA. SNAP CHAT, INSTAGRAM. PEOPLE WILL SELL IT WITH HASHTAGS. FENTANYL IS AFFORDABLE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS CHEAP TO BUY. AND THE CONCERN WITH FENTANYL FOR OUR YOUTH IS THAT THEY MAY THINK THEY'RE BUYING SOMETHING ELSE, LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S LACED WITH FENTANYL OR ACTUALLY FENTANYL. SO THEY MAY TAKE SOMETHING EXPECTING A DIFFERENT EFFECT AND WHEN THEY TAKE IT IT'S ACTUALLY FENTANYL THEY OVERDOSE. THEY'RE NOT EXPECTING TO HAVE THE EFFECTS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. DO YOU ALL SHARE YOUR -- WHEN YOU COME ACROSS CHILDREN THAT HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO THIS, DO YOU SHARE INFORMATION WITH CYFD? >> WE'RE MANDATED, WE BELIEVE CHILDREN AT RISK WE WORK WITH APD AND CYFD. A LOT OF CHILDREN ARE END UP BEING EXPOSED TO FENTANYL ARE TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL. AND THEY WORK WITH THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES ON THOSE TYPES. THAT'S MORE OFTEN TO BE WHAT HAPPENS. AND ANOTHER PROGRAM THAT AFR HAS UNDER OUR COMMUNITY PARAMEDICS IS WE HAVE A HARM REDUCTION PROGRAM. WE DO WORK WITH ANYBODY THAT OVERDOSES. WE HAVE A FOLLOW UP PROGRAM. IT HAS TWO-PIECES. WE ADMINISTER NARCAN ON SCENE. OUR FIREFIGHTERS CARRY NARCAN. IF WE RESPOND TO A CALL AND ADMINISTER NARCAN, WE LEAVE IT AND INSTRUCT LOVED ONES AND FAMILY MEMBERS TO ADMINISTER IT AND LEAVE RESOURCES WITH THEIR FAMILY MEMBER. AND WE ALSO PROVIDE A FOLLOW UP WITH OUR PARAMEDIC AND COMMUNITY PARAMEDICS TO PROVIDE FOLLOW UPS WITH THE FAMILY AFTER SEVERAL DAYS AFTER THE OVERDOSE. WE'RE TRYING TO ALSO ATTACK IT FROM BOTH SIDES. REACTIVE ON THE OVERDOSE AND PROACTIVE. >>COUN. GROUT: I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO IN THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S ALL FOR THAT PERSON. NOW I HAVE ONE MORE, MR. PRESIDENT. I'D LIKE TO ASK LAWRENCE A FEW QUESTIONS. THAT'S MY LAST ONE. MR. RAEL, THE AFR-AMAFCA BOARD HAS ASKED CITY COUNCIL TO REINSTATE SOME STORM WATER PROJECTS. CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXPLANATION OF WHY THEY WERE PULLED? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, MR. MONTOYA'S DEPARTMENT HANDLES THE PROCESS FOR THE CIP. I'VE ASKED HIM, AFTER WE GOT YOUR REQUEST, HE HAS INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH YOU. HE'LL GIVE YOU THE UPDATED INFORMATION. >> THANK YOU, MR. RAEL. COUNCILOR GROUT, BEFORE I ANSWER YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION. LET ME PUT THE PROGRAM IN PERSPECTIVE SO EVERYBODY GETS A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. THE 2022 BOND PROGRAM WILL BE SENT TO COUNCIL THIS WEEK. THERE'S A $200 MILLION REQUEST HEARD BY CITY COUNCIL AND THOSE PROJECTS WILL BE DISCUSSED AND I'M SURE THE COUNCIL WILL MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. IT WILL GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA OF ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THERE. WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER $350 MILLION REQUESTS. OUR CAPACITY WAS AT $200 MILLION. WHEN YOU TAKE ALL OF THE MANDATES OUT, WE'RE WORKING WITH ABOUT $176 MILLION. WE DIVVIED THAT UP AMONG VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS. I HAVE NOT SEEN THE LIST, EITHER MR. LOVATO SENT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT PROJECTS REFERRED TO. LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT OUR REQUESTS. IF YOU GET EVERYTHING WE ACTUALLY NEEDED IN THE STORM WATER AND HYDROLOGY DIVISION WE WOULD BE ASKING AROUND$22 MILLION. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN ORDER TO FUND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS WE HAVE. WE KNOW THAT'S NOT WITHIN OUR REACH. WHAT WE DO IS WORK WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND COMMITTEE REVIEWS AND EVALUATES ALL OF THE PROJECTS AND DETERMINE WHAT OUR ALLOCATION WILL BE. THE ALLOCATION FOR DND FOR STORM WATER WAS AT ABOUT$6 MILLION. THAT'S OUR THEIR OF THE MONEY AVAILABLE TO ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT. OF THAT, AFTER IT WENT THROUGH VARIOUS HEARINGS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, THE STAFF, AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS, WE CAME UP TO 4 MILLION. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH. KEEPING THAT IN MIND, WE WORK AS CLOSELY AS WE CAN TO JOINTLY FUND SOME OF THE PROJECTS THEY HAVE. KEEP IN MIND THEY HAVE $86 MILLION IN BONDING CAPACITY THAT IS EARMARKED JUST FOR THEIR PROJECTS. WHEREAS, WE'VE GOT A LARGE CITY AND A LARGE WEATHER DRAIN. I'M NOT SURE IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF HOW WE CAME TO THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WE HAVE. YOU WILL SEE IN THE PACKAGE FROM THE MAYOR EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS FUNDED INCLUDING THE OTHER PROJECTS GETTING FUNDED. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I AM CONCERNED. OUR GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PROTECT OUR LIFE AND PROPERTY. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING PULLED THAT HAS CONCERNED ME IS WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF DPAET WAY AND WE'RE FORGETTING OTHER PROJECTS. THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL BE LOOKING FOR. I THINK WE NEED TO VISIT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. THANK YOU. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. DAVIS: YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK THIS IS JUST COME UP. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE US TO LOOK AT THAT. I REALIZE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BONDING CAPACITY AND THEIR OWN PROGRAMS. THERE'S A NUMBER OF THEM, PARTICULARLY THOSE IN SOME OF THE OLDER PARTS OF DOWN, DOWNTOWN, SOUTHEAST AND OTHERS WHERE WE'RE WORKING FOR A LONG TIME IN COOPERATION AND SLOWLY ON THOSE PROJECTS. IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF BLAME ON BOTH SIDES. THERE'S TIMES WHEN THEY ADJUSTED DIFFERENT PROJECTS FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. IT SEEMS LIKE THE CITY PULLED THE RUG OUT IN A NUMBER OF PLACES. ON EASTERN AND ALVARADO. IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN AGREEMENT ANYMORE. I KNOW OF ONE THAT COUNCILOR GIBSON WORKED ON THAT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN SOLVED OR FOR WHATEVER REASON. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO FULFILL OUR OBLIGATION. WE STARTED ON THOSE PROJECTS FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. ALL THAT IS FLOWING DOWNHILL. IT'S HITTING THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS. AND I'M INTERESTED IN THAT TOO COUNCILOR. I'D LOVE TO WORK IN THAT WITH YOU. WHOEVER THE BUDGET CHAIR SHOULD LOOK AT WHILE WE HAVE A BUNCH OF MONEY. AND WE HAVE A CHANCE TO FINISH THESE 30-YEAR-OLD PROJECTS ONCE AND FOR ALL. >>COUN. BENTON: DIRECTOR MONTOYA. I DIDN'T GIVE YOU A FAIR WARNING ABOUT THIS QUESTION. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS. WHICH IS THE CENTRAL AVENUE UNDERPASS DOWNTOWN. THE RAILROAD TRACKS. THE LIGHTING PRETTY MUCH MALFUNCTIONED. THIS IS AFTER WHITE -- QUITE A BIT OF WORK. CAPITAL PROJECTS AND DESIGN PROJECTS WITH TRYING TO DO SOMETHING. I'M NOT SURE IF ANYONE FROM SOLID WASTE IS HERE ABOUT A REGULAR MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE. A CLEANING SCHEDULE. THEY GO THROUGH THE ONCE A DAY. IT MIGHT NEED TO BE INCREASED. ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW, MY CONSTITUENTS EAST OF DOWNTOWN ARE VERY UPSET ABOUT HOW LONG IT'S TAKEN TO GET THE LIGHTING FIXED. I KNOW THAT WAS A FANCY LIGHTING PROJECT WITH LEDs AND SO FORTH. WHATEVER IT TAKES IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO RIGHT NOW. INCLUDING TEMPORARY. COULD YOU GIVE ME A SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE? >> COUNCILOR BENTON, YES, ACTUALLY I DID SEND NATHEN AN UPDATE TODAY. LET ME TELL YOU WHERE WE'RE AT. I'LL SPEAK FOR THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE HERE, APD AND SOLID WASTE. LET ME ADDRESS THE LIGHTING ISSUE. WE JUST ISSUED THE PURCHASE ORDER FOR THE UP GRAYED -- UP GRADE. YOU'LL SEE A RETRO FIT. THE WEEK OF JANUARY 16th, WE'LL START TO INSTALL CAGES OR VANDALLISM-PROOF FITTING AROUND THE LIGHT FIXTURES. AND THE LAST WEEK WE'LL INSTALL A SOUND SYSTEM THAT WILL PLAY MUSIC THROUGHOUT THE DAY. SOMETHING THAT MAY BE SOMEWHAT IRRITATING THAT WILL DISCOURAGE INDIVIDUALS FROM HANGING OUT INSIDE THAT TUNNEL. WE'RE PLACING NO LOITERING SIGNS AND THAT ALLOWS APD TO TICKET INDIVIDUALS THAT SEEM TO BE HANGING OUT THERE DURING THE DAY OR EVENING. THE ISSUE WITH SOLID WASTE, I KNOW MATTHEW IS OUT THERE ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK. THAT'S WHEN THEY GO IN AND POWER WEIGHS -- POWER WASH OR SPRAY. THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY, THE NEW GENERAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT SECURITY DIVISION WILL START TO MONITOR CLOSER. THEY MONITOR RIGHT NOW AND AROUND SECOND AND GOLD. THEY'LL BE EXPANDING THAT SECURITY ON A DAILY BASIS THROUGH THE TUNNEL UP TOWARD BROADWAY AND COMING BACK. BY THE END OF JANUARY 31st YOU SHOULD HAVE NEW LIGHTING AND MUSIC WITHIN THAT AREA. THE OTHER THING WE FOUND OUT IS THE LIGHTS IN THERE NOW ARE ADJUSTED SO THEY GO ON AT NIGHT AND OFF DURING THE MORNING. THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED OVER THE WEEKEND, THE INDIVIDUALS WALKING THROUGH IT WERE INDIVIDUALS WALKING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY. THE LIGHTS AND MUSIC WILL BE ON 24-7. WE'RE HOPING THAT WILL DISCOURAGE INDIVIDUALS FROM HANGING OUT THERE. THE OTHER PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING IS AFTER HOURS FROM THE BARS, INDIVIDUALS GOING THROUGH AND TOSSING BOTTLES AND BEER CANS. JUST DOING THINGS THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING LATE AT NIGHT. WE'RE HOPING THIS WILL CORRECT THE PROBLEM. >>COUN. BENTON: I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT THERE WAS SO MUCH DISCUSSION ABOUT HARDENING WHATEVER IT WAS WE BUILT WHEN WE DID THE ORIGINAL PROJECT. SPECIFIC QUESTION FROM MYSELF TO THE DESIGNERS AND THE PROJECT MANAGERS OF THAT PROJECT THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE SURE THE LIGHTING IN THERE WAS -- YOU COULD HIT IT WITH A BASEBALL BAT AND NOT BREAK. I REALIZE THERE'S COPPER THEFT AND OTHER THINGS. I THINK WE NEED TO HOLD OUR DESIGNERS OF SOME OF THE PROJECTS TO ACCOUNT AND EXPECT THEM TO BE RESPONSIVE FOR SOME SENSE TO WHAT THEY DESIGN IN THESE PROJECTS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION? I THOUGHT I SAW COUNCILOR BASSAN. OKAY, THAT TAKES US TO THE JOURNAL. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE JOURNAL. >>COUN. BENTON: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES FOR APPROVAL OF THE JOURNAL. GO TO A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES. WE'LL MOVE TO COMMUNICATIONS AND INTRODUCTIONS. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE INTRODUCTIONS? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION TO ADD MYSELF AS SPONSOR OF R-22-96 IN PLACE OF COUNCILOR GROUT. IT'S ACCEPTING AN AWARD FOR BERNALILLO COUNTY -- AND PROVIDING AN APPROPRIATION TO THE DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES BEGINNING IN FISCAL YEAR 2023. THIS IS A PROJECT I'VE BEEN WORKINGEN FOR THE PAST 12 MONTHS WITH BERNALILLO COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. >>COUN. BENTON: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING EC212 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IT'S APPROVAL OF FY23 CONTRACT TO OPERATE SHELTER SERVICES FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AT GIBSON HEALTH HUB. INCLUDING EMERGENCY WINTER BEDS AND 24-7 RECEIVING AREA. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. COUNCILOR DAVIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: MR. PRESIDENT, JUST A MOTIONAL PROCEDURE, IF THE STAFF WOULD NOTE I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THIS FROM THE CONSENT. >>COUN. BENTON: ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO TO A VOTE. >>COUN. LEWIS: I HAVE A QUESTION. ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SORRY. WE'RE NAUGHT THERE YET. >>COUN. BENTON: MOTION AND A SECOND FOR SUSPENSION FOR RULES FOR EC212. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES. MOVE TO COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PLACING R-94 FOR ACTION. IT'S APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING THE ACCEPTANCE OF GRANT FUNDS FOR THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY AND PROVIDING APPROPRIATION FOR THE PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. >>COUN. BENTON: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES. COUNCILOR PEÑA, COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R95. IT'S APPROVING THE TRANSIT FARE AND ANALYSIS FOR THE PROPOSED TO RESUME FARE COLLECTION AND PROVIDE LONG-TERM FEE. WE'RE GOING TO NEED A RULE SUSPENSION BUT WE MAY CONSIDER DEFERRING LATER IN THE MEETING. I KNOW THE BILL I PUT OUT ORIGINALLY THEN COUNCILOR LEWIS'S BILL THAT I AGREED TO CO-SPONSOR AND YOUR BILL. I'M HOPING AND I KNOW COUNCILOR BASSAN IS DOING A LOT OF WORK ON THIS AND HAS AMENDMENTS. I THINK WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE NEED TO MELD IT TOGETHER AND NOT CONFUSE THE PUBLIC. WE MAY OR MAY NOT -- I'LL DEFER TO THE MAKER OF THAT. THIS WILL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING. >>COUN. BENTON: THERE'S A MOTION FOR THE SUSPENSION. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HANDS. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R-96 ON AGENDA FOR ACTION. IT'S ACCEPTING AN AWARD FROM BERNALILLO COUNTY TO INCREASE EMERGENCY SHELTER BEDS FOR FAMILIES CHILDREN EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS IN ALBUQUERQUE AND PROVIDING AN APPROPRIATION TO THE DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES IN FISCAL YEAR 2023. >>COUN. BENTON: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. AND THIS IS ALSO RULES SUSPENSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. >>COUN. BENTON: THERE'S A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE LETTER OF APPROVAL OF THE INTRODUCTION SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'LL GO TO REPORT OF COMMITTEE. COUNCILOR DAVIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MET ON MONDAY DECEMBER 12 AND REPORTED THE FOLLOWING. IN THE MATTER OF EC167, 187, AND 916 APPROVED. AND 175 AND 190 RECEIPT BE NOTED. IN THE MATTER OF R77, 80, 88 AND DUE PASS. AND 83 AND 86 PASS AS AMENDED. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS REPORT. >>COUN. BENTON: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES. WE'RE NOW ON DEFERRALS AND WITHDRAWALS. ANY AT THIS TIME? >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. R-70 IS TRANSIT SYSTEM SECURITY TACTICAL PLAN QUARTERLY REPORT OF SECURITY CALLS FOR SERVICES OF TRANSIT SYSTEM AND DEVELOPMENT OF LONG-TERM SECURITY PLAN FOR OPERATIONS OF FACILITIES AND OF THE ALBUQUERQUE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT AND MOVE DEFERRAL TO JANUARY 16. THIS IS THE INITIAL PILL THAT WENT IN THAT HAS BEEN A PART OF OTHER BILLS DEVELOPED. WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE MUDDLED. I MOVE DEFERRAL TO JANUARY 18th. >>COUN. BENTON: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. AND OPPOSED? THAT PASSES. THAT IS DEFERRED UNTIL THE 18th. MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANY CHANGES TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? >>COUN. BASSAN: I PULL ITEM F OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. R-94 IS APPROVING THE GRANT FUNDS OF FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY AND -- IN FISCAL YEAR 2023. >>COUN. BENTON: IS THERE A SECOND? YOU'RE PULLING. WE DON'T NEED A SECOND. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. NO NEED FOR A SECOND. THANK YOU ANYWAY. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SO, MR. PRESIDENT, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM CEC22-199 MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATION OF ROA TO EMPLOYEES PROADVANTAGE RECRUITING SOURCE. FOR EXECUTIVE SEARCH SERVICES. THE REASON WHY IS I WANTED TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN-DEPTH INFORMATION AND GET BRIEFED ON THIS. RIGHT NOW WE'RE NEEDING BOOTS ON THE COMBROUND -- GROUND IN EVERY SINGLE CITY DEPARTMENT, NOT EXECUTIVES. I HAVE NO PROBLEM LOOKING AT SOME SORT OF FIRM TO HELP SEARCH FOR BOOTS ON THE GROUND IN EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT ESPECIALLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IN REFERENCE TO THAT. I NEED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON THIS ITEM. >>COUN. BENTON: SO ITEM C AND F HAVE BEEN PULLED. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH IT NOW? WE'RE GOING TO START WITH IT NOW? >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. BASSAN: R-94 IS APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING THE ACCEPTANCE OF GRANT FUNDS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF TREASURY AND PROVIDING A FUND TO THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT IN FISCAL YEAR 2023. I MOVE A DUE PASS. AND MR. PRESIDENT, THERE'S A FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. IT'S IN THE SMIED -- iPAD. I INVITE THE ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE THIS IS THEIR REQUEST. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL SECOND THE AMENDMENT. OR THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. >>COUN. BENTON: MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. FOR R-94. ADMINISTRATION. >> MR. PRESIDENT, WE'LL HAVE MR. SIMON GIVE A BRIEFING. >>COUN. BASSAN: THERE ARE AMENDMENTS TO THE FLOOR SUBTHAT MAYBE DIRECTOR SIMON WILL TALK ABOUT. I'LL MOVE THOSE AFTER THIS. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT COUNCILORS. WE'RE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE SUB. WE APPRECIATE THE WORK BETWEEN --. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR DAVIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: MR. PRESIDENT, DIRECTOR SIMON, COULD YOU TELL US IF YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCES IN THE FLOOR SUB? I DON'T SEE AN ANALYSIS. >> THE ORIGINAL DRAFTING, COUNCILOR, WOULD HAVE MADE AN APPROPRIATION INSTEAD OF PLACING IT INTO A CAPITAL ACCOUNT. IT'S A VERY GOOD CATCH. I APPRECIATE THE ASSISTANCE. >>COUN. DAVIS: SOUNDS GOOD. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I LIKE TO MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. STRIKE SECOND AND REPLACE WITH THIRD. UPDATE THE QUARTER FOR THE FISCAL YEAR. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE FLOOR SUBFIRST. >>COUN. BENTON: WE'LL MOVE TO THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES. WE'LL MOVE TO THE AMENDMENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, FOR THE CATCH. I WANT TO MOVE THAT AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. BENTON: ALL RIGHT. THERE'S A MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCILOR GROUT. THANK YOU. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES. ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS? >>COUN. BASSAN: I DON'T THINK SO, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BENTON: IS THERE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS? OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO NEED A DEFERRAL ON THIS. AS AMENDED. WE'LL MOVE A DEFERRAL. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES, I LIKE TO MOVE DEFERRAL AS SUBSTITUTED TO JANUARY 18. >>COUN. BENTON: MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. TO DEFER THIS ITEM TO JANUARY 18. R-94. GO TO A VOTE ON THAT DEFERRAL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT PASSES. WE'RE BACK ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. MY MISTAKE FOR NOT GOING AHEAD WITH THE VOTE ON THAT. AS AMENDED, LET'S MOVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WE'LL GET TO COUNCILOR SANCHEZ'S ITEM. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. BENTON: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR DAVIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. EC-199. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I BELIEVE IT'S EC99. -- EC199. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING IN REFERENCE TO PUTTING BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND WHY ARE WE DOING EXECUTIVE SEARCHES WHEN WE HAVE A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF EXECUTIVES IN EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT? EVERY DAY WE HEAR STORIES OF AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS ADVISED THEY'RE REPLACED BY A NEW EXECUTIVE. IN MY OPINION IT ACTUALLY RUINS THE INSTITUTIONAL ACKNOWLEDGE OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE WHEN WE HAVE SO MANY INDIVIDUALS NOT FROM ALBUQUERQUE WHO HAVEN'T WORKED IN THE CITY OR EVEN IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND NOW THEY'RE HERE NOT KNOWING EXACTLY WHAT THE CULTURE OR WHAT GOES ON IN THESE DEPARTMENTS. >> COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I'M ANTHONY ROMERO DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT. THE INTENT IS TO HAVE ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX. WE'RE GETTING SOME TALENT IF WE COME UP DRY IN OUR APPLICANT POOLS. AS EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM KNOWS WE'RE HAVING LOT OF ISSUES WITH RECRUITMENT. ONE OF THE THINGS IS HAVE THIS AT ARM'S LENGTH IN CASE THE NEED COMES UP. NOT TO DO THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS. JUST IF THE NEED COMES UP TO ENSURE WE HAVE ACCESS TO A COMPANY THAT WOULD HELP US GET ACCESS TO SOME TALENT FOR A HARD TO FILL POSITION THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE MAKING SUCH AN EFFORT ON THIS SUBJECT WHEN WE REALLY NEED BUS DRIVERS. WE NEED PEOPLE THAT WORK IN PARKS AND REC. OUR PARKS -- THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY HANDLE THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT. THEY'RE SHORT-HANDED. YOU GO TO EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT WITHIN OUR CITY AND EVERYONE IS SHORT-HANDED. ESPECIALLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY UP TO 40 POLITICALLY APPOINTED INDIVIDUALS. IN MY OPINION, WHY ARE WE DOING SOMETHING -- THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE IT HAPPEN ARE ACTUALLY THE ONES THAT ARE TALKING TO THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE EVERY DAY AND HANDLING THEIR NEEDS AND MAKING FIELD CONTACT WITH THEM. THOSE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE NEED TO REALLY WORRY ABOUT. WHY DON'T WE HAVE SOME SORT OF FIRM OR SOME SORT OF PUSH TO GET THESE FOLKS AND THOSE POSITIONS FILLED? RIGHT NOW, I'M HEARING WE'RE WAY OVERLOADED AND EXTREMELY TOP-HEAVY. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, EXCELLENT POINT. WE ARE WORKING IN HR WITH THE OPERATIONAL DEPARTMENT AT A MYRIAD OF STRATEGIES AND STRATEGIC MEETINGS TO COME UP WITH HOW TO BETTER RECRUIT FOLKS INTO WORKING WITH THE CITY. AND WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. THIS IS ONE PIECE OF THAT PUZZLE. WE HAVE A HUGE PUZZLE WE'RE WORKING ON. AND A HUGE CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. YOUR COMMENTS ARE RIGHT ON POINT. WE DO AGREE THAT WE HAVE LOT OF WORK TO DO IN HR AND WORKING WITH EACH OF THE OPERATIONAL DEPARTMENTS TO COME UP WITH STRATEGIES THAT WOULD BETTER IMPROVE OUR APPLICANTS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, DIRECTOR, CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT -- I'M READING THE COVER ANALYSIS AGAIN. YOU SAID IT WAS BENEFICIAL FOR YOU TO SUMMARIZE WHAT THE AWARD FOR EMPLOYERS ADVANTAGE, WHAT THEY DO. I THINK FROM WHAT I WAS READING IS THEY ACTUALLY WILL AND SHOULD BE HELPING US FIND THESE HARD TO FILL POSITIONS, AM I CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. RECRUITING FOR INTERNATIONAL AND PARTNERS INC WOULD HELP US FILL POSITIONS. IF WE'VE ALREADY DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE THROUGH OUR WEBSITE AND RECRUITING TOOL AND THROUGH THE HELP OF THE HR COORDINATOR OF THE DEPARTMENT LEVEL, AS MUCH AS WE CAN DO, AND WE FOUND WE CANNOT GET ANYBODY FOR THAT THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT. IT WOULD NOT BE A FIRST PLACE TO DO THAT. >>COUN. BASSAN: SO, ARE WE GOING TO BE PAYING THIS COMPANY BASED OFF IF WHEN WE USE THEM? >> YES. IF AND WHEN WE USE THEM. IT'S BASED ON THEIR PLACING OF A CANDIDATE. >>COUN. BASSAN: IT DEPENDS ON IF A CANDIDATE IS SUCCESSFULLY PLACED? >> ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND MAKING SURE THAT CANDIDATE WASN'T RECRUITING THROUGH OUR OWN EFFORT. IN THE CONTRACT WE ALSO HAVE A CLAUSE THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IF AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS ELECTED DOES NOT WORK OUT FOR ANY REASON WITHIN 180 DAYS THEY HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER CANDIDATE WITH NO ADDITIONAL COST. >>COUN. BASSAN: AS LONG AS YOU CONTINUE TO PROVIDE USING OUR INTERNAL EVERYTHING I'M ON BOARD WITH PAYING FOR THIS COMPANY TO FILL ALL OF THESE MUCH-NEEDED POSITIONS. I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR SANCHEZ THAT WE'RE STRUGGLING AND IT'S NOT THROUGH LACK OF EFFORT. WE HEAR ALL THE TIME IT'S NOT A NATION-WIDE PROBLEM. I DON'T CARE. I CARE ABOUT ALBUQUERQUE. I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THIS AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO US BEING ABLE TO USE THIS TOOL. WHICH IS ALSO ANNOYING FOR THE RECORD. BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING IF WE CAN FILL OF THE POSITIONS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. THANK YOU. SO, LET ME MAKE THIS STRAIGHT. THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING PUT IN THIS BILL THAT STATES THERE HAS TO BE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THE JOBS THAT HAVE THEIR BOOTS ON THE GROUND BEFORE WE END UP MOVING TO ANY EXECUTIVE POSITIONS. IT SAYS EXECUTIVE SEARCH SERVICES. IMMEDIATELY, I'M THINKING LET'S ADD MORE PEOPLE TO THE TOP ECHELON. THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS UNTIL WE HAVE AT LEAST 15% TO 20% OF THE LOWER LEVELS FILLED. YOU NEED TO REWORD THIS OR WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE NEED THE BOTTOM FILLED. THE PEOPLE THAT TOUCH THE LIVES OF EVERYBODY IN THE CITY. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE NEED IN POSITIONS RIGHT NOW. WE DON'T NEED UPPER ECHELON. WE NEED TO STOP THAT ALREADY. WE'RE GOING TO END UP LIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 40 PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE WHO ARE IN A POSITION THAT DON'T HAVE THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND RIGHT NOW IT'S DAMAGING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING THE LARGE NUMBER OF EXODUS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO RETAIN THE OFFICERS. EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. WE ALL KNOW THAT. ALL THE OFFICERS AT THE LOWER LEVEL KNOW THAT. THE WORKERS AT THE LOWER LEVELS KNOW THAT. WE NEED TO GET ON BOARD AND SUPPORT THESE INDIVIDUALS. I HATE TO SAY IT, IT'S MOSTLY THE UNIONIAN GUYS. IT'S THEDOWNIAN WORKERS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE THAT NEED THE SUPPORT. WE NEED TO BUILD THAT RANK. THE RANK AND FILE. I NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS BILL STATES WE'RE DOING SOMETHING EXCLUSIVELY IMPORTANT TO BUILD THE RANK AND FILES. THE PEOPLE THAT WE NEED. THAT TOUCHES EVERYONE'S LIVES. AND YES, IT IS A UNION JOB MORE THAN LIKELY. >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, MAYBE GIVE YOU AN OVERALL PERSPECTIVE OF THIS ISSUE. WE KNOW WE NEED POLICE OFFICERS. WE KNOW WE NEED BUS DRIVERS. WE NEED SOLID WASTE DRIVERS. AND WE NEED A LOT OF THOSE ENTRY LEVEL POSITIONS FILLED. AND WE ARE CONSTANTLY PROVIDING AND RECRUITING EITHER WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S EFFORT OR THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT, AND PROVIDING INCENTIVE PAY SO FOLKS GET BONUSES AS THEY COME INTO THE CITYPLOYMENT. THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT IS RELATED TO THE HARD TO FILL POSITIONS IN KEY AREAS THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO FUNCTION. A GOOD EXAMPLE IS ENGINEERS. WE ARE STRUGGLING TO GET AND KEEP THOSE HARD TO FILL POSITIONS WITH THE CITY BECAUSE WE'RE COMPETING WITH SANDIA NATIONAL LABS AND MANY OTHER INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE EITHER PAYING BETTER SALARIES OR HAVE BETTER BENEFITS OR QUITE FRANKLY OUR EMPLOYEES OPT AND CHOOSE TO DO A CAREER MOVE. THE IDEA FOR US IS TO LOOK ATTHOSIS -- THOSE HARD TO FILL POSITIONS WHICH ARE POSITIONS WE'RE COMPETING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL ACROSS THE REGION OF THE SOUTHWEST. AT TIMES WHEN WE GO TO RECRUIT, WE NEED A FIRM THAT HAS A BUILT IN EXPERTISE IN THOSE AREAS BECAUSE IF NOT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET PEOPLE IN THOSE PARTICULAR SLOTS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR. WE ARE TOTALLY AND 100% SUPPORTIVE OF YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND WE'RE OUT THERE LOOKING TO FILL THESE ENTRY LEVEL POSITIONS. WE'VE OFFERED BONUSES FOR SIGNING UP. WE'VE DONE JOB FAIRS AND RECRUITMENT ACROSS THE CITY. AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO FILL THOSE ENTRY LEVEL BOOTS ON THE GROUND AS YOU DESCRIBE. WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT HOWEVER DEALS WITH SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS THAT ARE REALLY A CHALLENGE FOR US TO FILL BY THE ORDINARY MEANS WE USED TO FILL THEM IN THE PAST. THOSE POSITIONS ARE HIGHLY SPECIALIZED AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO FIND A FIRM THAT CAN GO OUT THERE AND RECRUIT THOSE. WE'VE USED THESE MINIMALLY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO USE THE SERVICE IF WE DON'T HAVE TO. IT GIVES US AS WAS SAID ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX TO LOOK FOR THOSE POSITIONS THAT ARE CHALLENGING TO FILL AT THIS POINT BECAUSE OF THE LABOR MARKET WE'RE FINDING OURSELVES IN. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: ARE WE USING OUTSIDE CONTRACT VENDORS AS WELL TO WORK THROUGH FINDING RANK AND FILE AND BOOTS ON THE GROUND PEOPLE? IF NOT, MAYBE WE'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG HERE AT THE CITY AND WHY WE CAN'T RETAIN OR KEEP THEM. IF WE'RE DOING THIS HERE, WHY CAN'T WE DO THE LOWER LEVEL AND GET SOME OF THOSE FOLKS HIRED TO ACTUALLY GO OUT AND RECRUIT ACROSS THE UNITED STATES SO WE DON'T HAVE THESE LEVELS? RIGHT NOW, WE ALREADY KNOW AND SEE AND HEAR THAT STORY EVERY DAY THAT WE'RE TOP-HEAVY. I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TRYING TO HIRE AN ENGINEER AND I GET THAT. BUT IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE TOUCHING THE LIVES OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE. FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, THE RANK AND FILE, THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND. THE OFFICERS, THE WORKERS THAT MAKE IT HAPPEN. THAT MAKE OUR CITY STAFF. THAT DEAL WITH THE PARKS. THAT DEAL WITH EVERY HANDS ON COMPONENT THAT WE HAVE AT THE CITY. THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS. I DON'T THINK WE NEED FOCUS RIGHT HERE UNTIL WE HAVE THE BOTTOM FILLED. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, AGAIN WE ARE USING THE HR DEPARTMENT. EVERY DEPARTMENT HAS ITS OWN RECRUITING GROUP THAT IS OUT THERE DOING EXACTLY THAT. BOOTS ON THE GROUND, GOING TO JOB FAIRS, GOING TO EMPLOYMENT AGENCIES, ANYWHERE IN THE CITY WE CAN FIND AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECRUIT EMPLOYEES FOR ANY OF THESE POSITIONS WE'RE DOING THAT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WE DON'T HAVE AN OUTSIDE SOURCE DOING THE SAME THING? >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WE DO HAVE -- WE WORK WITH TEMPORARY STAFFING AGENCIES TO DO THAT. FOR SOME OF THE POSITIONS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. THIS EXECUTIVE SEARCH IS FOR SOME OF THE HARD TO FILL POSITIONS THAT HE'S DESCRIBING. WE DO HAVE A FOCUS ON TRYING TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS. LIKE YOU MENTIONED WE HAVE AN ISSUE WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT AND TARGET WITH RECRUITMENT. BUT ALSO RETENTION AND HOW WE RETAIN EMPLOYEES WITH THE CITY ONCE THEY BEGIN. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING AND HAVE COMING ON BOARD RIGHT NOW ARE THANKS TO THIS COUNCIL FOR HELPING TO GET US FUNDING TO INITIATE OUR STUDY. WHICH WILL BE A GREAT TOOL TO HELP US IN ETENSION EFFORTS AS WELL AS RECRUITMENT EFFORT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I JUST FEEL THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH EXECUTIVE IN THE CITY. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERY EXECUTIVE WITHIN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AS WELL AS THE CITIZENS NEED TO FOCUS ON GETTING THE POSITIONS FILLED. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS JUST AN EXECUTIVE FILLING EXECUTIVE POSITIONS. WE'RE TALKING POSITIONS IN MY OPINION THAT SHOULDN'T BE THAT HARD TO FILL BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING SIX-FIGURES, OR WHATEVER CLOSE TO IT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE REALLY FOCUS BEFORE WE ON THE HIGHER UPS, WE FOCUS ON THE FOLKS THAT ARE DOING THE JOB. I HAVE A REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT TIME WITH THE SITUATION BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING. I DON'T THINK MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED SUFFICIENTLY. I THINK THERE'S ROOM TO CHANGE THIS BILL AROUND TO MAKE IT MORE ACCEPTABLE SO THAT EVEN YOU EXECUTIVES THAT ARE IN HERE CAN CAN FIND WAYS TO RECRUIT RANK AND FILE AT THE LOW ENDS OF YOUR DEPARTMENT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US WITHIN THE CITY NEEDS TO FOCUS ON. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE IT FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND DISCUSS IT FURTHER AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN MOVE THINGS AROUND TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO HELP THE LOWER END. A MOTION FOR DEFERRAL. >>COUN. BENTON: UNTIL WHEN? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: JANUARY 18th. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN FOR A DEFERRAL OF EC199. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM COUNCILORS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS. WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT EXECUTIVES. UNDER THIS CONTRACT COULD WE USE THIS CONTRACT TO FIND A TRAFFIC ENGINEER? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN YES. AMONG OTHER HARD TO FILL POSITIONS THAT WE'RE RECRUITING FOR. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: COULD WEUSE THIS CONTRACT TO FIND VETERINARIANS? >> DEFINITELY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: COULD WE USE THIS CONTRACT TO FIND PROFESSIONAL PLANNERS WHICH WE'RE SHORT OF IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE? >> ABSOLUTELY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: THANKS. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR DEFERRAL. UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOU ARE HAND. OPPOSED? THAT FAILS ON A 7-2 VOTE. PASSES ON 7-2 VOTE FOR DEFERRAL. >>COUN. DAVIS: EXCUSE ME, THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. EC212 APPROVES THE CONTRACT OPERATING SHELTER SERVICES AT THE GIBSON HEALTH HUB INCLUDING EMERGENCY WINTER BEDS. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE STATUS. THIS AS I UNDERSTAND IT, DIRECTOR PIERCE THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. I NOTED IT MENTIONED THAT OVERNIGHT BED SERVICE WILL BE AVAILABLE STARTING JANUARY 10th. IF SO, DIRECTOR, DO WE HAVE OUR CEO FOR THAT OPERATION? >> COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR DAVIS, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS BECAUSE IT'S WINTER EMERGENCY WE DO HAVE PEOPLE ON OUR STREETS THAT NEED EMERGENCY HOUSING. WE ARE PREPARED NEXT WEEK TO OPEN UP A PLACE FOR MEN AND WOMEN TO GET OFF THE STREET AND BE HOUSED. WE'RE READY TO GO WITH THAT AND PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. DO WE HAVE OUR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THAT USE? IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IS THE SHELTER PART NOW PERMITTED? AND HAVE APPROPRIATE C.O. FOR THAT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, IF I MIGHT INTERVENE FOR A MINUTE. WE'LL HAVE A C.O. FOR THE PORTION THAT WE'RE USING FOR THE EMERGENCY SERVICES AS MS. PIERCE DESCRIBES. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. BEFORE WE MOVE OVER THERE, HAS THE ADMINISTRATION COMPLETED ALL THE PROVISIONS OF THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT? NEGOTIATED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, INCLUDING THE COMMITTEE. IT HAS GOOD NEIGHBOR ADVISORY COMMITTEE INSTALLED THE AGREED UPON LIGHTING FROM CAPITAL BEFORE RESIDENTS WOULD BE ON-SITE? AND HAVE ON-SITE SECURITY RESPONSE? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR DAVIS YES. WE SIGNED THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT IN NOVEMBER. NOT ALL NEIGHBORHOODS SIGNED THAT AGREEMENT. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. WE DID HAVE OUR FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD ADVISORY COMMITTEE. IT'S NOT ANOTHER NAME. IT'S THE ACTION COMMITTEE. WE HAVE THAT ON DECEMBER 21st. THERE WAS 22 NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE. THEY WERE VERY EXCITED. WE GAVE FOLKS THE TOUR OF THE GATEWAY PORTION AND HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION. IN TERMS OF ALL THE PARTS ON SECURITY, WE HAVE 24-7 SECURITY AT GIBSON HEALTH HUB SINCE WE PURCHASED THAT ON APRIL 1 LAST YEAR. YOU ALSO MENTIONED ABOUT OTHER PIECES IN THAT. I KNOW WE HAVE COMMITTED AND WE'VE DONE THIS SINCE WE'VE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY MONITORING THE QUARTER MILE WITHIN THE GIBSON HEALTH UB. I KNOW NEIGHBORS HAD THE CONCERN THERE'S ENCAMPMENTS ON THE PROPERTY AND THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT THE QUARTER MILE. THAT'S MONITORED BY THE OUTREACH TEAM AT GIBSON AND THEY GO OTHER PLACES AS WELL. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT JUST INSIDE THAT QUARTER MILE IS THE 7-11 THAT'S BEEN A SPOT FOR SOME TIME FOR ENCAMPMENTS. IT'S BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING THERE'S AN ONGOING FIRE THERE AT THAT ENCAMPMENT. AND I'VE SEEN 311 CALLS AND REPORTS THAT POP-UP IN MY EMAILS FOR ENCAMPMENTS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT STILL EXISTS TODAY. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AND IT WAS REPORTED AS EARLY AS THE 26th AND 31st. I WONDER IF YOU CAN CHECK ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD REPORT HAS BEEN THE OUTREACH TEAMS HAVEN'T BEEN EFFECTIVE. WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT'S WORKING. COULD YOU LET US KNOW OUR RESPONSE TO THAT? >> COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR DAVIS, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO MY ATTENTION. I'LL LET YOU KNOW. >>COUN. DAVIS: DIRECTOR AND MR. RAEL, I JUST WANT TO BE SURE, I THINK THERE'S PROVISIONS OF THE GOOD NEIGHBOR CONVERSATION THAT INCLUDED EXTRA LIGHTING, CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS TO BE DONE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IS NOT COMPLETE. I REALIZE IT'S COLD AND THERE'S AN EMERGENCY AND WE MIGHT HAVE A WAY TO HELP. THERE'S A REAL UNDERSTANDING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS RIGHT. AND HAVE THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF SECURITY NOT THE TEMPORARY PARKING LOT SECURITY THAT SOMEBODY COULD RESPOND TO CONCERNS. ADDITIONALLY, ADDITIONAL LIGHTING ALONG GIBSON IS MY UNDERSTANDING AND THAT'S NOT DONE YET OR HASN'T BEEN MODIFIED. MY CONCERN IS NOT THAT WE AUTHORIZE THE EMERGENCY BEDS, THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO RUSH TO STICK FOLKS IN THAT BUILDING OUT COMMITTING OR COMPLETING WHAT WE TOLD THE NEIGHBORS WE WOULD DO. THEY HAVE HAD A LOT OF ANXIETY ABOUT TRUSTING US ABOUT THIS. I WANT TO BE SURE WE DO ALL THE THINGS BEFORE WE HOUSE PEOPLE THERE. I DON'T WANT TO SET UP YOUR STAFF TO FAIL. >> WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. JUST SO WE KEEP ISIN -- IN PERSPECTIVE. THE SHELTER IS NOT WHAT WE'RE OPEN ON THE TENTH. THIS IS EMERGENCY OVERNIGHT FOR THE WINTER MONTHS. >>COUN. DAVIS: I UNDERSTAN THAT. THIS IS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME PERSONS ARE SLEEPING OVERNIGHT WHETHER IT'S FIRST TIME OR LONG-TERM CAPACITY. IF WE HAVE NOT COMPLETED ALL OF THE THINGS WE SAID WE WOULD DO BEFORE WE HOUSE PEOPLE I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GOING TO CALL FOUL IF WE SAY IT'S EMERGENCY SO IT'S NOT COVERED BY THE OBLIGATIONS WE MADE. >> MY POINT, IS IN THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE SHELTER COMPONENT. THAT'S NOT DUE TO BE OPENED UNTIL THE LATTER PART OF APRIL. WE LOOK AT THOSE ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE VISITED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR THROUGH THAT AREA. AND PUTTING IN THE NECESSARY FENCING AND LIGHTING THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO ENSURE THAT SO WHEN THE SHELTER PORTION OF THE OPERATION IS UNDERWAY, THAT WOULD BE COVERED ON FULL-TIME BASIS. OUR INTEREST WAS SOMETHING TO DEAL WITH ON THE SHORT-TERM BASIS GIVEN THE FACT THAT THERE IS COLD WEATHER AND THERE'S A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL BEDS. >>COUN. DAVIS: I GET ITER, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I HAVE COME AROUND AND I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE PROSPECT BECAUSE WE'RE PHASING IT IN AND MAKING SURE WE GET THIS RIGHT. I FAIL TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN 50 OVERNIGHT PEOPLE IN APRIL AND 60 NEXT WEEK. DIRECTOR, DID YOU TELL THE NEIGHBORHOODS YOU WOULD BEGIN HOUSING EMERGENCY PEOPLE ON JANUARY 10th? >> COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR DAVIS YES. WE DID MENTION THAT WE WERE STARTING EMERGENCY OVERNIGHT BEDS BECAUSE OF THE WINTER STORM. WE'RE VERY SURE THIS ISN'T GATEWAY. THE GATEWAY WOULD BE OPENING IN APRIL. WE TALKED ABOUT THOSE DETAILS. WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS HAPPENING IN JANUARY. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE SAID JANUARY 10th. WE SAID IT WOULD BE HAPPENING IN JANUARY BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER AND PEOPLE ON THE STREETS. >>COUN. DAVIS: I KNOW WE HAVE A LONG AGENDA. MY CONCERN IS HAVING 60 PEOPLE OVERNIGHT WITHOUT US HAVING THE CAPACITY AND ALL THE THINGS WE DETERMINED WE NEEDED. SO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO SOMEWHERE. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS. I THINK WE NEED EMERGENCY SHELTERS. I'M NOT SURE GIBSON IS READY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T MADE OUR COMMITMENT. I'LL VOTE AGAINST THIS. I THINK THE MONEY IS IMPORTANT. I THINK I'LL LOSE THIS VOTE ANYWAY. I THINK THIS IS A MOOT POINT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE TRY TO GET ALL THOSE PIECES IN PLACE WHETHER THEY'RE SHELTER FOLKS OR EMERGENCY SHELTER FOLKS. YOUR DEPARTMENT WORKS VERY HARD AGAINST -- I WANT TO BE SURE EVERYBODY FEELS COMFORTABLE. IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE RUSHING THIS JUST A MINUTE. THAT CONCERNS ME. WE WANT TO STAY ON TOP OF IT IF WE DO THIS. HELP US ADDRESS AND KEEP TRACK OF THE 311 REPORTS AND HELP US GET AN UPDATE. IF I'M WRONG AND THIS WILL WORK OUT FINE, LET'S BE SURE THE NEIGHBORHOODS KNOW THAT WELL. I'M ANXIOUS WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS WELL AS WE CAN. >> IF I MAY, COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR DAVIS, I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THE POINT THIS IS DISTINCT FROM THE DPAET -- GATEWAY. WHEN WE OPEN THE GATEWAY AND EMERGENCY BEDS THAT'S A WHOLE HOUSING PROGRAM. WITH 24-7 STAFFING. THEY WON'T HAVE AN INDIVIDUALIZED SERVICE PLAN. ON THIS END, THIS IS REALLY STRICTLY EMERGENCY. WHERE WE ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT OUR ADMINISTRATOR NOT SERVING BREAKFAST OR DINNER. BUT PEOPLE WILL BE BUSSED OUT. THEY'RE THERE STARTING AT 4 OVERNIGHT AND GOING OUT IN THE MORNING. IT'S REALLY WHEN IT'S COLD YOU'RE IN AND SAFE FROM THE ELEMENTS. WE'RE TRAINED TO BE VERY CAREFUL IN COMMUNICATION FOR THE EXACT REASONS YOU SAID. WE WORKED REALLY HARD AND VERY EXCITED. THIS IS NOT THE GATEWAY. >>COUN. DAVIS: I UNDERSTAND THAT. JUST TO MOVE US LONG. I UNDERSTAND THAT. THE GATEWAY WE UNDERSTAND, MY IMPORTANCE IS JUST BECAUSE IF WE KICK EVERYBODY OUT AT 8:30 IN THE MORNING AND IF THEY DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE BUS WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES DEPLOYED. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR DAVIS, THAT IS PART OF THE AGREEMENT. WHEN THE MORNING COMES THERE'S TRANSPORTATION. THEY'RE GOING BACK TO WHERE THEY CAN GET BREAKFAST. PEOPLE AREN'T ALLOWED TO STAY THERE DURING THE DAY. AND THEY'RE NOT BEING ALLOWED TO WALK OUT. WE'RE VERY DISTINCT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE OF THE PROMISES THAT THIS IS NOT A WALK-UP FACILITY. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, DIRECTOR HELLO. I HAD TWO QUESTIONS BUT I HAVE A THIRD ONE NOW. WHEN YOU SAY THIS IS STRICTLY EMERGENCY BEDS. I CAN SEE HOW MAYBE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION BECAUSE IN THIS LEGISLATION IT'S FOR THREE THINGS. IT'S FOR THE OPERATION OF WINTER EMERGENCY OVERNIGHT BEDS, OPERATION OF GATEWAY PHASE ONE OVERNIGHT BEDS AND SUPPORT SERVICES. SO, THAT ACTUALLY IS ONLY TWO QUESTIONS. I WANTED YOU TO DESCRIBE PLEASE, ESPECIALLY, I GET ASKED ALL THE TIME WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHAT IS IT REALLY GOING TO BE, AND YOU KEEP TELLING US AND I THINK IT'S GOO. I THINK IT'S GOOD TO REPEAT IT FOR THE PUBLIC. PLEASE DESCRIBE GATEWAY PHASE ONE, EMERGENCY OVERNIGHT BEDS WHICH YOU ALREADY TOUCHED ON. AND THE 24-7 RECEIVING AREA SO THE PUBLIC CAN KNOW WHAT THIS VISION FOR THIS ALMOST$1.1 MILLION. >> I'M GOING TO ASK OUR GATEWAY ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM TO DESCRIBE THAT. >> COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR BASSAN, THE THREE PARTS OF THIS CONTRACT AND REALLY IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE DATES, THESE EMERGENCY WINTER BEDS IS JUST DURING THE WINTERTIME. IT'S THE TRANSPORTATION THAT WILL BE PROVIDED. IT'S A BED WITH A MEAL AND A TV. AND THE EMERGENCY BED FOR PHASE ONE, THOSE ARE THE GIBSON HEALTH HUB AND THE GATEWAY PROJECT ITSELF, THOSE ARE FOR OUR WHOLE PROGRAM. THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT INDIVIDUALS ARE HOUSED. THAT'S THE BED, BUT ALSO THE WRAP AROUND ESSENTIALSES -- ANYTHING FROM AN ID TO HAIRCUT. THE 24-7 RECEIVING AREA THAT WE HAVE NOW IS A LOT OF THE SHELTERS ARE NOT OPEN 24-7 IF YOU COME ACROSS SOMEONE AT 2 A.M. WHERE DOES THAT PERSON GO? THAT'S THE NEED FOR THE 24-7 RECEIVING AREA. IT'S PROVIDING THOSE 24-7 BEDS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ENTHUSIASM WHILE YOU DESCRIBE IT. IT DOES GENERATE MORE EXCITEMENT. I WILL SAY THAT PART OF YOUR DPRIPGZ THE GATEWAY I CAN SEE HOW IT LEAVES SPACE FOR HESITATION. WHERE IS THE FUNDING COMING FROM? IS IT ALREADY SOMETHING WE ALLOCATED FROM HEADING HOME? >> COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR BASSAN, THIS WAS PART OF THE APPROVED BUDGET FOR FY23 FOR FCS. THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED. THAT'S WHERE THIS IS GENERAL FUND MONEY. >>COUN. BASSAN: I DID HAVE AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION. I FORGOT IT. SO YOU'RE VERY LUCKY. >>COUN. GROUT: I HAVE ONE QUESTION. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. WHERE IN THE GATEWAY ARE THESE 50 BEDS GOING TO BE? >> COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR GROUT, THANK YOU FOR ASKING. THANK YOU FOR COMING FOR A TOUR BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS. WE DIDN'T TAKE YOU IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. PART OF THIS WILL BE BUILDING 11. IT'S THE OUTER BUILDING ON THE CAMPUS OF GATEWAY. THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE POPULATIONS WILL BE. AND THE OTHER IS ON THE FIRST FLOOR. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING. NEAR THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING. IN THE BACK PART. >>COUN. GROUT: IS IT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING? >> YES ON THE BACKSIDE. THAT'S WHERE THE BUS WILL GO. BUILDING 11 ON THE BACK SIDE AND THE ENTRANCE ON THE BACKSIDE THAT'S WHERE THE TRANSPORTATION WILL GO. >>COUN. GROUT: VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. MADAM DIRECTOR, WHAT WILL BE THE REPER -- REPERCUSSIONS IF WE DON'T PROVE THIS TONIGHT. WILL IT PREVENT PUTTING THE EMERGENCY BEDS IN PLACE? IF WE DON'T APPROVE EC212 TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION. YES, IT WOULD. WE NEED, AS YOU KNOW, WE FCS EMPLOYEES DO NOT DO THE SERVICE DIRECTLY. WE WORKING PARTNERS AND HEADING HOME. WHEN THAT CONTRACT APPROVED RFP PROCESS. THE AWARD WINNER IS NOW READY TO EXECUTE THE PRACT APPROPRIATED. WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO PAY THAT CONTRACT IF COUNCIL DID NOT APPROVE IT. I WOULD SAY THE OTHER RAMIFICATIONS BY NOT DOING IT. WE KNOW THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT PEOPLE CAMPING ON IT STREETS IN THE WINTER. NOT ONLY FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY BUT OUR COMMUNITY DOESN'T WANT PEOPLING CAMPING ON THE STREETS. THIS IS DIRECTLY OUTREACH TEAM GOING GET THOSE PEOPLE TO GET THEM TO A SAFER AREA AND WARM AREA AND TO REALLY GET THEM OFF THE STREETS. THESE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE HOPING TO HOUSE IN THIS EMERGENCY SHELTER AREN'T COMING FROM OTHER SHELTERS THEY'RE COMING FROM THE STREETS OF ALBUQUERQUE TO GET INTO A SAFE PLACE. SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE THESE CONVENIENT 50 BEDS IF IT'S NOT APPROVED. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR LEWIS AND COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. LEWIS: I THINK -- COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP TO THAT. WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE 50 PEOPLE IN THOSE BEDS, ARE YOU OFFERING SERVICES? GETTING THEM CONNECTED? OR SOMETHING TO HELP THEM? >> COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR GROUT NO. THIS IS STRICTLY BARE BONES. COME IN FOR A DINNER MEAL. SOME OUTREACH TO GET OFF THE STREETS AND BE WARM AND HAVE A BED AND GO OUT THE NEXT DAY. WE'RE NOT PROVIDING ALL THE WRAP AROUND SERVICES THAT ARE PART OF THE PROGRAM FOR GATEWAY. >>COUN. GROUT: COULD WE? >> COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR GROUT, WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS. WE HAVE ONE OF THE PARTNERS OVER THERE THAT DOES SERVE PEOPLE WHO ARE UNHOUSED. HE'S INTERESTED IN PROVIING SOME LIFE SKILL SERVICES. AND WE SAID THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THAT'S NOT OUR INTENTION. HE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT. AND WE WOULDN'T PROHIBIT THAT FROM HAPPENING. >>COUN. GROUT: I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO HELP THESE FOLKS EVEN MORE. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET SOMEBODY ELSE MAKE THE MOTION. I SUPPORT THE MONEY BUT NOT AT THAT LOCATION. IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO PRESENT IT. >>COUN. LEWIS: I MOVE A DUE PASS. >>COUN. BENTON: MOTION AND A SECOND FOR A DUE PASS. APPROVAL OF EC212. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 6-3 VOTE. THAT CONCLUDES OUR CONSENT AGENDA. WE'RE NOW ON OTHER BUSINESS. THIS IS THE ELECTION OF THE PRESIDENT AND VICE-PRESIDENT. WE'LL START WITH THE ELECTION OF PRESIDENT. I WILL TAKE NOMINATIONS FOR PRESIDENT. SECOND IS NOT REQUIRED FOR A NOMINATION. UNDER THE COUNCIL RULES THE MAJORITY OF ALL COUNCILORS IS REQUIRED FOR THE SELECTION OF PRESIDENT. I'LL TAKE NOMINATIONS. >>COUN. LEWIS: I NOMINATE COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I NOMINATE COUNCILOR DAVIS. >>COUN. BENTON: ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? SEEING NO NOR NOMINATIONS. NOMINATIONS ARE CLOSED. THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. DAVIS: DAVIS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: COUNCILOR DAVIS. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. JONES: COUNCILOR DAVIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: COUNCILOR DAVIS. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR DAVIS. >> 5-4 VOTE, COUNCILOR DAVIS. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TAKE OVER. >>COUN. DAVIS: WHY DON'T YOU FINISH THE VOTING AND WE'LL MAYBE TAKE A QUICK BREAK. >>COUN. BENTON: WE'RE DUE FOR DINNER BREAK. WE'LL MOVE TO THE ELECTION OF THE VICE-PRESIDENT. I'LL TAKE NOMINATION FOR THE VICE-PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. PEÑA: I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BENTON: OTHER NOMINATIONS? >>COUN. BASSAN: I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. BENTON: THERE ARE THREE NOMINATIONS SO FAR. ANY OTHERS? SEEING NONE. WE'LL GO TO A VOTE ON THE THREE NOMINEES. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, COUNCILOR GROUT, COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. PEÑA: IT WOULD BE COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. BENTON: I MUST HAVE MISHEARD. I'M SORRY. >>COUN. BENTON: DOING THE BEST WE CAN. CAN SOMEBODY TURN UP THE VOLUME? >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I DO NOT INTEND TO VOTE FOR MYSELF. >>COUN. BENTON: I THINK YOU MADE THE NOMINATION, COUNCILOR PEÑA. COUNCILOR GROUT DID? THANK YOU. WE HAVE TWO NOMINEES. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND COUNCILOR GROUT. THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. GROUT: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. JONES: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >> 5-4 VOTE, COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. BENTON: CONGRATULATIONS, COUNCILORS. WE'LL MOVE TO THE ELECTION OF THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. I'LL TAKE NOMINATIONS FORCHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. I NOMINATE COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BENTON: ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE? SEEING NONE. I WILL MOVE THAT WE ELECT COUNCILOR BASSAN AS CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR DAVIS. AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. I WILL ALSO MOVE ON THE COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEFERRING THE COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS TO THE JANUARY 18th COUNCIL MEETING. THAT REQUIRES TWO-THIRDS OF COUNCIL PRESENT. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF DEFERRAL OF THE COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS UNTIL JANUARY 18th, SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES. WE'LL NOW TAKE A DINNER BREAK. >>COUN. DAVIS: OKAY, WE'RE ON THE AIR. FOLKS, WE'RE BACK. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. FOR THOSE OF YOU UP AND ABOUT, WE ASK YOU TO TAKE YOUR SEAT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY IF THEY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PER THE INSTRUCTIONS PUBLISHED ON THE AGENDA AND WEBSITE. HERE ARE THE RULES EACH PARTICIPANT HAS TWO MINUTES. COMMENTS ARE TO BE ADDRESSED ONLY THROUGH THE PRESIDENT AND ANY DISRUPTIVE COMMENT WILL RESULT IN A REMOVAL. THERE'S A TWO MINUTE TIME LIMIT. THE LIGHT WILL BE GREEN AND TURN YELLOW INDICATING YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. AT TWO MINUTES THE LIGHT IS RED AND INDICATING YOUR TIME IS UP. IF YOU'RE ONLINE, YOU'LL GET A WARNING, NOT SURE HOW BUT WE'LL FIND OUT DURING IT HAPPENING. >> OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS ELI. FOLLOWED BY CHARLENE. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR DAVIS, AND CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR ELECTION. I AM A SOPHOMORE AT AMI BEIL HIGH SCHOOL. I'M IN AUPGZ -- OPPOSITION -- WHICH WOULD ELIMINATE THE ZERO FARES PROGRAM. THE ARGUMENTS IN FAVOR OF THIS ARE TWO-FOLD. IT REDIRECTS INDIGENT PEOPLE TOWARD -- REDIRECT TOWARD PUBLIC SERVICES AND IT WOULD MAKE RIDES SAFER. UNFORTUNATELY, THE PROPOSAL AS DESIGNED GEARS TOWARD FAILURE IN BOTH GOALS. FIRST OF ALL, INDIJANT DOESN'T EQUAL CRIMINALINALITY. AND WE GOT WITH SOME UNSHELTERED PEERS. AND WE KNOW THEY RELY ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION FOR LEGITIMATE ENDS AND DO NOT NECESSARILY HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET, OR I.D.'S THAT WILL RECORD UNDER THE PROPOSAL. AND WE KNOW THAT PRIVILEGED PEOPLE ALSO COMMIT SECURITY INCIDENTS AND CRIMES ON THE BUS. MANY STUDENTS AT MY SCHOOL REPORT HARASSMENT BY OTHER STUDENTS ON THE BUS AND THEY WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO SCHOOL I.D.S. IN ESSENCE IT WOULD NOT SECURE RIDERS AND WOULD NOT REDIRECT IN INDIJ -- I YIELD THE BALANCE OF OF MY TIME. >> MR. PRESIDENT, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WE'VE LISTENED TO EVERYBODY THAT COMES BEFORE US AND TALKS TO US. THANK YOU FOR COMING AND TALKING. IT'S BEEN OVER AND OVER SAID THAT I MADE THAT ASSOCIATION MADE BETWEEN THIS BILL SOMEHOW ASSOCIATING CRIMINALITY WITH A CERTAIN TYPE OF PEOPLE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE CASE. THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THIS BILL. WE'VE SAID THAT OVER AND OVER WHAT THE INTENT OLTHIS BILL INASMUCH WE'VE SAID WE'VE SAID WHAT IT WILL DO. IT'S A DESIRE TO IMPROVE OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM. I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL SUPPORTS THAT IS THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT THE INTENTION OF THIS BILL. EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN SAID OVER AND OVER BOY THE PUBLIC. I'D GLAD TO TALK WITH ANYONE OF YOU THAT HAVE CONCERN ABOUT THIS BILL. YOU CAN CALL ME AND DISCUSS IT. IF YOU ARE QUESTIONING OUR INTENTIONS OR IN ANY WAY THAT WE WOULD TREAT SOMEBODY DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE OF THEIR SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS, OR WHATEVER DIFFERENCES THEY HAVE, THEN THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT THE CASE. I'D BE GLAD TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT IT. >> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS CHARLENE FOLLOWED BY JOSHUA. >> JOSHUA, FOLLOWED BY LORETTA. >> HELLO, I'M GOING TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE. BECAUSE THE ANSWERS YOU GOT, WELL, THEY'RE CRAP. WHEN IT COMES TO THE FENTANYL IN OUR COUNTY AND IN OUR CITY, IT STARTS AT THE BORDER. BUT ALL OVER THE TOWN AND COUNTY THERE'S CARTEL OPERATIONS, BUSINESSES OF ALL KINDS RESTAURANTS, TIRE SHOPS, PAINT SHOPS, YOU NAME IT THAT ARE FULLY OPERATIONAL, NEVER DOES OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT OR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DO ANYTHING TO SHUT THEM DOWN. NO INVESTIGATIONS ARE HAPPENING. THEY'RE PEDALING DRUGS, HUMAN TRAFFICKING ON A DAILY BASIS. AND NOTHING IS BEING DONE ABOUT IT. WHEN IT COMES TO THE PARKING TICKETS. THE DODGE -- DOJ CAME INTO ALBUQUERQUE AND INVESTIGATED ALBUQUERQUE FOR OVER FIVE YEARS. THEY CAME OUT AND SAID THAT THE CITY AND THE COUNTY CANNOT FORCE ANYBODY TO PAY THOSE PARKING TICKETS. WHAT HAPPENED THEN? YOU GUYS AMPED UP THOSE OPERATIONS. YOU BOUGHT NEW CARS, HIRED MORE PEOPLE AND GIVE OUT MORE TICKETS. AND OUT OF FEAR PEOPLE PAY THEM. SOME OF THE STREETS HERE, ESPECIALLY BEFORE THE LOCKDOWNS THAT WERE MAKING A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR OFF PARKING TICKETS. IT'S A HUGE PROBLEM AND IT'S A VIOLATION OF THESE PEOPLE'S RIGHTS AND IT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I CAN TELL YOU ALL THE UNCONSTITUTIONAL STUFF YOU PROMOTE ON A DAILY BASIS. WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT IN THE CONSTITUTION IN NEW MEXICO THAT SAYS WHEN YOU'RE LECTED YOU'RE REQUIRED AFTER TAKING YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL OATH YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO GO TO YOUR LOCAL BONDING COMPANY AND GET AN ELECTED OFFICIAL BOND. IT'S $150. VERY SIMPLE. YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL BONDED. IF YOU DON'T WITHIN THAT 30 DAYS YOU FORFIT YOUR ELECTED POSITION. EVERY ONE OF YOU HAVE FORFITTED YOUR POSITION. PERIOD. THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE TO BE BONDED IS TO ENSURE YOU CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR HOLDING YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL DUTIES. WHICH YOU DON'T DO. WE HAVE THREE RING BINDERS OF YOUR CRIME. WE'RE COMING FOR YOU. >> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS LORETTA FOLLOWED BY LEOLA. >> GOOD EVENING, I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE SANTA BARBARA MARTINEZ TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THE ASSOCIATION IS ASKING THAT EVERY ONE OF YOU LISTEN TO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE AND OVERRIDE THE VETO OF O-22-33 BY THE MAYOR. THAT'S EC-22-201. THE ENVIRONMENTAL CRIME COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 15 VOTED TO ELIMINATE SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES FROM THE INTEGRATED ORDINANCE THE VERY DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE LEGISLATION CALLING FOR ELIMINATION OF SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES FROM THE IDO. IT OVERWHELMING -- THE TESTIMONY GIVEN BY THE MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC WAS IN OPPOSITION TO SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES. REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION INCLUDING MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE WELLS PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OF THE GREATER ALBUQUERQUE BUSINESS ALLIANCE A COALITION OF DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES TESTIFIED IN OPPOSITION TO SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES. THE ARGUMENTS MADE BY THOSE OPPOSED TO THE SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES ARE THE FOLLOWING. THE CITY COUNCIL AMENDMENT TO SAFE OUTDOOR SPACE IS NOT WELL PLANNED OUT. THEY WILL NOT BE SAFE. DESPITE SECURITY PLANS IT WOULD BE MAGNETS TO CRIME. WE ANY. WE HAVE EXPERIENCE. LISTEN TO US. SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES IS A FORM OF TENT ENCAMPMENTS FOR THE HOMELESS CONSTITUTE TEMPORARY HOUSING THAT HAS BEEN FOUND TO BE THE LEAST EFFECTIVE MEANS IN DEALING WITH THE HOMELESS. MANY CITIES THAT HAD CITY-SANCTIONED HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS ARE BANNING THEM NOW IN FAVOR OF MORE PERMANENT HOUSING. SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND SURROUNDING BUSINESSES AND INTERFERE WITH THE PEACEFUL USE ANDNOTOMY -- ENJOYMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> AND INTERFERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. PLEASE OVERRIDE THE VETO OF THE MAYOR. >> LEOLA FOLLOWED BY JAMES. JAMES FOLLOWED BY CHRISTOPHER ON ZOOM. CHRISTOPHER FOLLOWED BY JANICE. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >> WHICH WAS NOT PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY UNTIL THE FRIDAY BEFORE CHRISTMAS. STATES THERE IS AN ADVERSE ON COMMUNITIES THAT DOES NOT ADDRESS OTHER ISSUES LIKE REFUSED WITH SCHOOL I.D. AND BUS RIDERS WHOSE I.D. DON'T MATCH THEIR GENDER IDENTITY. AND THOSE THAT -- PLEASE VOTE NO OR DEFER THESE BILLS. >> JANICE FOLLOWED BY PETER. >> GOOD EVENING. I THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO THE INFORMATION I'D LIKE TO SHARE. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE HEALTH EQUITY COUNCIL AND HAVE PREVIOUSLY SPOKEN OF OUR DOOIR FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO VOTE NO ON O-22-47. IN PARTICULAR, AS PROMOTION SPECIALIST I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THE EQUITY ANALYSIS WHICH HAS CONCLUDED THAT ORDINANCE 22-47 WOULD NOT IMPOSE GREATER IMPACT ON MIN ORT RIDERS. THIS IS DESPITE THE FACT THAT FROM THE 2017 ON-BOARD SURVEY INFORMATION MINORIIES ARE MORE LIKELY TO PAY FULL FARES AND LESS LIKELY TO USE REDUCED FARE ACCORD TO THE INFORMATION GATHERED. THE ALBUQUERQUE RIDE 2020 TITLE SIX PROGRAM REQUIRES SIGNIFICANT AS A DIFFERENCE OF 10% CHANGE BETWEEN MIN -- MINORITIES. ONE OF THE CRITICAL FACTORS THAT CHANGE BETWEEN MINORITY VERSUS NON-MINORITY POPULATIONS ARE THE USE OF LONG-TERM PASSES. THE DATA CAPTURED SHOWS A DIFFERENCE OF 5% WITH NON-MINORITY RIDERS LIKELY TO USE THE LONG-TERM PASSES AT 58% VERSUS ONLY53% FOR NON-MINORITY. THAT IS WITHIN THE STATISTICAL MARGIN OF ERROR. AND THE ON-BOARD DATA ONLY INCLUDED 77 SPANISH SPEAKERS WITH NO OTHER LANGUAGES CAPTURED. 77 SPANISH SPEAKERS WHERE 26.7% OF FOLKS SPEAK LANGUAGE OTHER THAN ENGLISH AT HOME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> PETER FOLLOWED BY ANITA. YOU ARE MUTED, SIR. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> MY COMMENT REFERENCE -- WHICH HAS NOT GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN UP FOR. I CAN ONLY SIGN UP FOR GENERAL COMMENT. THESE SERVICES ARE GREATLY NEEDED BUT THE -- PLEASE DEFINE THE CONTRACT TERM EMERGENCY WINTER BERS -- BEDS. PLEASE INCLUDE CAPACITY CAP TO THE TOTAL OVERNIGHT SHELTER INCLUDING WINTER BEDS AND INCLUSION OF SHELTER WOULD BE REFERRAL BASED STATED IN THE APPLICATION FOR THE PERMIT. CHANGING TO EMERGENCY OVERNIGHT SHELTER WILL CHANGE UNDER WHICH THE APPLICATION WAS REVIEWED. YOU CAN PARTLY MITIGATE THE BAD FAITH GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD AGREEMENT NEGOTIATION INCLUDING THE REFUSAL TO INCLUDE BED CAPACITY WHICH IS NOT LEGALLY COMPLETE AND EXECUTED AGREEMENT. MISSING THREE OUT OF THE FIVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. AND THEY HAVE BUSINESS WITH THE CITY. THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS APPROVED AS PROEPED. 2,000 WOULD BE PERMITTED TO BE HOUSED USING ONLY 40% OF THE SPACE. THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE LEGAL USE OF COMMERCIAL KITCHENS FOR AT LEAST TEN YEARS. EVEN THOUGH YOU VOTED ON THIS IT WAS BASED UPON FALSE INFORMATION. PLEASE POSTPONE THIS TO DO RESEARCH FOR THE CORRECT INFORMATION. COUNCILOR DAVIS WAS CORRECT, THE GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD AGREEMENT WHEN YOU HAVE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SIGNED THREE NOT BECAUSE THE CITY REFUSES TO LISTEN TO THEM BASICALLY THEY DICTATE WHAT IT IS THEY'RE NOT NEGOTIATING AND NOT INCLUDING AN IMPARTIAL NEGOTIATING. PLEASE IF YOU WOULD HALT THE FUNDING OF THIS UNTIL THESE INCORRECT INFORMATION IS LOOKED AT. >> OUR FINAL SPEAKER ON GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IS ANITA. COULD YOU ACCEPT YOUR PROMOTION TO PANELIST? I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE TO ANNOUNCEMENTS. THE FIRST WOULD BE THAT THE FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE SCHEDULED FOR NEXT MONDAY WILL BE CANCELED. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 10 AT 5 P.M. VIA ZOOM VIDEO CONFERENCE. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SAY THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE FOR WEDNESDAY IS CANCELED. ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS? SEEING NONE. THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARINGS OR ADDITIONAL APPROVALS. FINAL ACTIONS. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, O-41 FLOOR SUBSTITUTE AMENDING THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATION ORDINANCE. THE ABILITY OF THE COMMITTEE TO CONVENE THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE COMMITTEE DEVELOPMENT OF THE FEDERAL AND STATE PROGRAM RESOLUTION REVIEW OF OBLIGATIONS. I MOVE A DUE PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL TAKE COUNCILOR GROUT. FOR THE SECOND. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS QUITE A WHILE IN THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE TO STREAMLINE THINGS. I KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH COUNCILOR PEÑA AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN ON IT LOT. I THOUGHT WE WERE ON THIS TOGETHER. IF WE WANT TO ALL CO-SPONSOR I'M FINE. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IT PASSED IN COMMITTEE SIMPLY AND WE REALLY HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK A LITTLE BIT HARDER ON STREAMLINING WITH STATE REGULATION AND ADDITION TO THE FEDERAL DELEGATION AS WELL. I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER ALSO TO COUNCILOR PEÑA AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN IF THEY WANT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE OTHER CO-SPONSOR FOLKS? ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? SEEING NONE. >>COUN. BASSAN: I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. I HAVE TO GET BACK INTO MY RHYTHM. COUNCILOR PEÑA, COUNCILOR LEWIS. R-95. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT'S APPROVING THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT EQUITY ANALYSIS PROPOSAL. TO RESUME FARE COLLECTION AND PROVIDE FREE PASSES. I MOVE A DUE PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THERE A SECOND? COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THIS IS AN ANALYSIS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS REQUIRE THAT WE DO A FARE CHANGE WE DO AN EQUITY ANALYSIS TO MAKE SURE THE COMMUNITIES IDENTIFIED AS SUSPECT FOR BEING HARMED BY A FARE EQUITY ANALYSIS ARE NOT HARMED. THIS IS KNOWN AS THE TRANSIT DEPENDENT COMMUNITY. THEY WENT AHEAD AND DID THE ANALYSIS, THE ORIGINAL ANALYSIS WAS THE MINORITY COMMUNITIES WERE NOT IMPACTED. THEY WERE CONCERNED THE LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES WERE IMPACTED. HOWEVER AS AMENDED BY FLOOR SUBSTITUTE IT'S ADDRESSED THE ISSUES AND PROVIDING PASSES TO ACCESS FOR THOSE IN THE LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES. THAT WAS THE SUMMARY OF THE ANALYSIS. THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT IS HERE IF YOU LIKE THE EXACT DETAILS. THEY MOSTLY USED FARE DATA AND CENSUS DATA AND ALSO THE ANALYSIS BILL COMPARED TO THAT RIDERSHIP. >>COUN. LEWIS: THIS IS ANALYSIS THAT WAS COMPLETED AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAD DEFERRED THE BILL FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DID THAT IS WE WANTED TO GIVE THE DEPARTMENT THE MEET ALL THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING ON THIS. THAT'S THE PURP OF -- PURPOSE OF IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION OR FROM COUNCIL? DO WE HAVE COMMENT ON THIS? >> WE HAVE TAMMY. ON ZOOM. >> HELLO, FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND CAN YOU HEAR ME CLEARLY? >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. I FOUND THIS MEETING TO BE VERY INFORMATIVE. AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING TO HELP TO EASE THE BURDEN ON THE CITY AS FAR AS THE HOMELESS PEOPLE. YOU HAVE CREATED LOTS OF WAYS FOR THEM TO BE FED. YOU'RE DOING MORE -- MAKING MORE HOUSING AVAILABLE. YOU'RE DOING SOME GREAT THINGS. THE REASON I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT IS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THIS TRANSIT CHANGES WILL IMPACT THE PEOPLE. YOU HAVE PLACES ALL OVER THE CITY THAT ARE THERE TO SUPPORT UNHOUSED PEOPLE. IF WE DON'T HAVE A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO JUST GET ON THE BUS AND GO THERE FOR FREE, IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR PEOPLE TO GET THERE. AND THEN IT ALSO FEELS LIKE A WASTE OF CITY FUNDS FOR YOU TO BE FUNDING THESE DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND ORGANIZATIONS IN WAYS TO HELP THE PEOPLE AND NOT HAVING THEM ACCESS TO THE ACTUAL PLACES. AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I WANTED TO SAY IS I KNOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PASSES AND THAT KIND OF THING. WE KNOW THAT UNHOUSED PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO ADDRESSES AND IT WILL BE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO GET THESE PASSES. SO, PLEASE CONSIDER HOW YOUR TRANSIT DECISION WILL IMPACT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOST TRYING TO HELP. THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENTS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR LEWIS. ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOU OR FROM ADMINISTRATION? COUNCILORS, IS THAT IT? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANY OPPOSED? COUNCILOR PEÑA AND COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, O-47 IS CREATING A FULL ACCESS FOR ALL TRANSIT FARE STRUCTURE AND PROCESS TO INCLUDE TRANSIT ACCESS WHILE PROVIDING ACCOUNTABILITY TO PROVIDE THE ZERO FARE PROGRAM TO A PROGRAM BEGINNING JUNE 30 TO CREATE A FUND FOR MOTOR COACH OPERATOR SALARIES AND ESTABLISHING TRANSIT PASSES AND DEVELOP A TRANSIT PASS PROGRAM TO ASSIST SOCIAL SERVICE AGESES TO PROVIDE TRANSIT PASSES AND MAKING AN APPROPRIATION. ONE OF THE LONGEST TITLES OF ANY BILL WE'VE EVER HAD. I MOVE A DUE PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, I THINK A LOT OF CHANGES AND A LOT OF MODIFICATIONS WE'VE MADE FOR MONTHS NOW. I BELIEVE IT'S AT A POINT THAT WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TONIGHT. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE MIGHT BE SOME AMENDMENTS TO THIS. CERTAINLY, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DEAL WITH THOSE TONIGHT. WE SHOULD INTRODUCE THOSE AMENDMENTS AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TONIGHT. IF YOU WANT TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON WHERE THIS BILL IS AT NOW AND SOME OF THE RECENT CHANGES? >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THE BILL -- THERE'S NO CHANGE AT THIS TIME. THE BILL AS WE DESCRIBED IT AT THE LAST MEETING. THERE'S AMENDMENTS TONIGHT. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS DO YOU WANT ME TO DESCRIBE WHAT WE SAID AT THE LAST MEETING. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHY DON'T WE TALK ABOUT -- WE MOVE THE AMENDMENTS AND THERE'S REALLY NO CHANGES OTHER THAN THE POSSIBLE AMENDMENTS. IF WE WANT TO TAKE SOME TIME AND TALK ABOUT ANY AMENDMENTS PROPOSED AND GO FROM THERE. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL DEFER THAT AND DO PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER WE PASS THE AMENDMENT SO WE CAN WEIGH IN THE BILL IF IT'S AMENDED. COUNCILOR PEÑA, I BELIEVE THE FIRST ONE IS YOURS. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE -- ON PAGE SIX LINE 11 AFTER THE TITLE SECTION DELETE THE REMAINDER OF THE LINE AND INSERT IN LIEU THEREOF. IT SHALL ESTABLISH A PROCESS FOR APPLICANTS TO USE THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT WITH AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES TRANSIT SERVICE MAY ON THEIR OWN OR THROUGH LEGAL GUARDIAN OR MEDICAL PROVIDER ATTEST TO THE CONDITION THAT REQUIRES THE APPLICANT TO USE SUN VAN SERVICE. EXPLANATION IS REMOVE THE SECTION ON ADOPTING THE FAIR EQUITY ANALYSIS ADOPTED THROUGH R-23-96 ALLOW AN APPLICANT TO SELF-ATIST FOR LEGAL GUARDIAN OR MEDICAL ATTEST THAT THEY HAVE DISABILITY THAT LEAVES THEM UNABLE TO USE THE ALBUQUERQUE ROUTE SYSTEM. IF YOU CAN FURTHER EXPLAIN. >> AMENDMENT CURRENTLY REMOVES THE SELF-ATTEST ISSUE AND THERE'S TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT IT. WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TO ASK TRANSIT TO PRESENT ON THIS. RIGHT NOW, ONE OF THE WAYS TO LOOK AT IT IS WHEN SOMEBODY COMES TO TRANSIT THEY APPLY. THEY GO THROUGH APPLICATION PROCESS. TRANSIT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE HAVING THE NEED TO USE SUN VAN. THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE ABQ RIDE SERVICE. WE'LL HAVE THEM FILL OUT AN APPLICATION WHICH IN SOME WAYS IS TELEPHONE A THEY'LL ASK FOR MEDICAL PAPERWORK FOR A PROVIDER TO VERIFY THEY HAVE THE CONDITION THEY STATED TO BE ABLE TO RIDE SUN VAN. I THINK THE GOAL OF THIS WOULD BE THEY WOULD INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO A MEDICAL PROVIDER THEY CAN FULLY DESCRIBE EVERYTHING THAT THEIR CONDITION SON THE APPLICATION. EITHER THEM OR LEGAL GUARDIAN OR MEDICAL PROVIDER DO IT. GIVE THEM THAT OPTION. COUNCILOR PEÑA, I HOPE I'M NOT SAYING THIS INCORRECTLY. YOU HAVE TO USE A MEDICAL PROVIDER. I DON'T KNOW IF SHE WANTS ME TO EXPLAIN IT. >>COUN. PEÑA: I THINK IT'S GREAT -- WE ACTUALLY HAD TOM DO ANALYSIS, MR. PRESIDENT, I'M SORRY. WE HAD HIM DO ANALYSIS AND THERE'S OTHER STATES, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT DON'T REQUIRE SUCH A LENGTHY PROCESS THAT WE DO. THIS FALLS INTO -- I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME SOFT NAME OF THE STATE THAT DOES THAT. I THINK OUR APPLICATION PROCESS HAS THAT ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT PLUS IT HAS 18 PAGES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THERE'S OTHER STATES THAT HAVE A MUCH SHORTER APPLICATION PROCESS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, YES. COUNCILOR PEÑA, WE DID NOTICE THE OTHER AGENCIES HAD A MUCH SHORTER APPLICATION. WHEN WE DID DO FURTHER RESEARCH, PORT OF THE APPLICATION IS A VERY LARGE LETTER. THAT MIGHT HAVE EXPANDED US. THERE WAS A FOUR PAGE APPLICATION AND WE HAD A 17-PAGE ONE. THAT WAS ONE THING THAT THEY COULD LOOK AT. THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WE DIDN'T IDENTIFY SELF-ATTESTING. WE IDENTIFIED THE CIRCULAR THAT THE TRANSIT AGENCY CAN USE TWO OR THREE METHODS THAT THEY HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THE PERSON NEEDS THE SERVICE. THEY DON'T NECESSARILY -- THEY CAN USE THIRD PARTY PROVIDER TO PROVIDE THAT. OR THEY CAN ALSO FIND SOME OTHER MEANS THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS OR THROUGH HAVING THEM COME DOWN FOR INTERVIEW WITH TRANSIT TO HAVE THE SPECIALIST AT THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT OR THE PROVIDER OF THE SERVICE GO THROUGH THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANYTHING FURTHER? >> MR. PRESIDENT, LET ME TAKE A FEW MOMENTS TO TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE IN THE PRACTICAL SENSE OF WHAT IT MEANS. FIRST AND FOREMOST, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE IS A PROCESS THAT I THINK I WAS AROUND WHEN WE FIRST PUT THIS TOGETHER BACK IN THE EARLY 90s. WHERE THE CONCERN WAS THAT A LOT OF FOLKS WOULD BASICALLY NOT BE FORTHRIGHT ABOUT THEIR CONDITION AND THE PARATRANSIT SYSTEM WOULD PUM THE UBER SYSTEM. USING THE CITY'S RESOURCES TO GET TO DIFFERENT PLACES. THE CONVERSATION WAS CENTERING AROUND ACTUALLY HELPING FOLKS THAT REALLY NEEDED THE SERVICE. THIS PROCESS WAS ADOPTING THAT IS FAIRLY CUMBERSOME. I THINK THE INTERESTING CONVERSATION FOR US TONIGHT IS AS A RESULT OF THEFREE BUS SERVICE WE'RE PROVIDING, THE FTA REQUIRES THAT PARA-TRANSIT SERVICES ARE TREATED THE SAME WAY YOUR REGULAR BUS OPERATIONS ARE. IF YOU HAVE FREE BUS SERVICES YOU HAVE FREE PARA-TRANSIT SERVICE. THE INTERESTING ISSUE HAS BEEN IS THAT WHEREAS OVER THE PAST TIME WE'VE BEEN IN THIS PILOT, WE'VE SEEN A TREMENDOUS INCREASE IN THE PARA-TRANSIT SERVICE REQUEST FROM THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT. SO, IT IS GETTING TO A POINT AND I'LL DEFER TO OUR DIRECTOR, WHERE I'M NOT SO SURE WE CAN KEEP UP WITH THE DEMAND GIVEN THE FACT THAT PEOPLE CAN JUST CALL AND USE THE SERVICE ALL THE TIME. IT REALLY REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT OF A CONSIDERATION AND CONVERSATION. I THINK COUNCILOR PEÑA, YOUR PROPOSAL, IT HAS A LOT OF VALIDITY. WE OUGHT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS. I ALSO AM CONCERNED FROM A PRACTICAL OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT THAT WE MAY NOT BE AIBLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE SERVICE. I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE CREATE A HIGHER STANDARD BY ANY MEANS. I THINK THE SPIRIT OF WHAT IS BEING CONVEYED IS THE RIGHT THING WE SHOULD DO. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN AS IT RELATES TO OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WE'RE PROVIDING. ONE EXAMPLE FOR YOUR INFORMATION IS THAT IN OTHER CITIES THE PARA-TRANSIT SERVICE IS THEY PICK UP HOPE -- PICK UP PEOPLE AT HOME AND TRANSPORT THEM TO THE BUS STOP. THEN THEY GET ON THE REGULAR BUS TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. OUR SERVICE IS DIFFERENT. PICK UP PEOPLE AT HOME THROUGH AN APPOINTMENT AND WE TAKE THEM TO THEIR DESTINATION. WE DON'T TIE THEM INTO THE SYSTEM LIKE OTHERS DO. THAT'S WHY I THINK OUR SERVICE IS A BETTER SERVICE BUT IT DOES CREATE THIS ISSUE ASSOCIATED CAN WE KEEP UP WITH THE DEMAND. I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE WE SUGGEST FOLKS USING THE PARA-TRANSIT SYSTEM ARE NOT BEING FORTHRIGHT. I'M SUGGESTING WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THAT'S VERY CAREFULLY TO DECIDE HOW TO MAKE IT WORK AND RECOGNIZE THAT THE PARA-TRANSIT SERVICE IS GOING TO GET OVERWHELMED. >> I WOULD SAY ABQ RIDE AND FTA DOES NOT RECOMMEND. SOME OF THE PROCESSES YOU CAN USE OUTSIDE OF THE SELF-CERTIFICATION IS SELF-ATTEST. WHICH IS ONLINE APPLICATION. AND WE USE PROFESSIONAL VERIFICATION. A DOCTOR'S NOTE OR PHYSICIAN'S NOTICE. AND PHONE CONVERSATIONS. AND IN-PERSON INTERVIEWS AND PHYSICAL FUNCTIONAL AND VISUAL ABILITY ASSESSMENT. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT JUST BECAUSE IT HELPS NOT ONLY TO -- IT'S A DETERMINATION OF THOSE THAT POSSIBLY DON'T NEED TO USE THE PARA-TRANSIT SYSTEM AND USE FIXED ROUTES. IN FACT PROCESSES THAT PERSON INTERVIEWS TEND TO FIND APPLICANTS THAT ARE ABLE TO USE FIXED ROUTE SERVICE. IT REQUIRES EDUCATION ON THEIR PART. THIS IS ALL IN PLACE TO HELP PROTECT THOSE PEOPLE. IT'S A SAFETY NET FOR INDIVIDUALS NOT ABLE TO USE FIXED ROUTE SERVICE. I NOTE THAT FTA DOES SAY THAT IF AN AGENCY DOES ALLOW SELF-CERTIFICATION IT REALLY COULD LEAD TO ADA THAT ARE COSTLY PROVIDED TO INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN TRAVEL ON THE FIXED ROUTE. THAT'S AN ISSUE WE CAN GET INTO. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. WE HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT WE USE. THEY'RE AN INDUSTRY LEADER IN PLANNING FOR ALL MODES OF TRANSPORTATION. THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH US OVER THE YEARS. THEY REVIEWED THE ENTIRE APPLICATION PROCESS. THEY'VE INDICATED THE DENIAL ON THE LOWER SIDE OF THINGS. WE'RE ON A 7% DENIAL RATE OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS. THIES ARE LOT OF PEOPLE WE FEEL HAVE USING PARA-TRANSIT THAT THROUGH ASSESSMENTS WE CAN PROVIDE THE TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO USE FIXED ROUTES. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA, ANYTHING ELSE FURTHER? >>COUN. PEÑA: YES, MR. PRESIDENT. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE RIDERSHIP IS FOR SUN VAN? HOW MANY PEOPLE PARTICIPATE ON A DAILY BASIS. >> RIDERSHIP HAS BEEN IN THE 15,000. FOR OCTOBER OF 22 WE'RE AT 15,600. WE HAVEN'T HIT PEAK LEVELS OF 2019. WE WERE HITTING AROUND 24,000 WITH OUR RIDERSHIP WE HAD. THAT WAS IN OCTOBER. ALSO JUST LOOKING AT APPLICATIONS FOR SUN VAN. WE ALSO SEEN AN UPTICK IN THOSE. WE'RE SEEING 100 APPLICATIONS ON A MONTHLY BASIS. IT'S IMPERATIVE FOR US TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SCREENING PEOPLE APPROPRIATELY. THE REASON BEHIND THAT TOO IS NOT TO DENY PEOPLE OF THE SERVICE. BUT IT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED IT HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE THAT SERVICE. AND THE PEOPLE THAT CAN USE FIXED ROUTE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE TRAINING AND HELP TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT IN A MORE BENEFICIAL WAY. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, HOW MANY ROUTES IS THAT PER DAY? YOU HAD 15,000 FOR OCTOBER. HOW MANY ROUTES PER DAY IS THAT? HOW MANY PICK UPS ROUND TRIP? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY, IS THAT ROUND TRIP? THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING -- IS THAT ROUND TRIP OR EACH TRIP WHETHER THEY'RE GOING BOTH WAYS IT'S COUNTED AS ONE? >> I BELIEVE THAT'S ONE TRIP. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I PUT THIS AMENDMENT FORWARD BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS LEGISLATION AND I KNOW THERE'S -- WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO SEE IF WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THIS LATER AND LOOK AT A STUDY ON HOW TO DO THAT. AND PROBABLY THAT'S GOING TO BE THE WILL OF THIS COUNCIL. I WANTED TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE THAT WHEN WE'RE HEARING STUDENTS AND OTHER PEOPLE COMING UP AND TALKING ABOUT PAIR -- BARRIERS AND ACCESS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, I MOVED THIS BILL FORWARD FOR THE FREE FARES INITIALLY. WHEN COUNCILOR LEWIS CAME AND SAID THERE'S REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT ADDRESSING SOME OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES WE'RE HAVING ON THE BUS I AGREED. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BARRIERS FOR THE MORE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES AND ELIMINATING BARRIERS FOR STUDENTS OTHERS WHO NEED THE SERVICE, WHILE I AGREE, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE OR PAID THE ATTENTION WE NEED TO PARA-TRANSIT. THAT'S A BIG ISSUE. LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, I DO HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THAT. JUST KNOWING HOW DIFFICULT IT IS FOR SOMEONE WHO CAN -- I KNOW AS AN INDIVIDUAL THAT USE THE REGULAR BUS. IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE THAT REALLY NEED THE PARA-TRANSIT ARE ACTUALLY NOT ALLOWED BECAUSE THEY SAY THERE'S PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM THAT THEY CAN GET ON TO. I JUST REALLY -- MY INTENT WITH THIS IS WE REALLY NEED TO BE AWARE. AND I'M AFRAID WHATEVER BILL PASSES WHETHER IT'S -- I'M GOING TO SWITCH NAMES, BUT COUNCILOR DAVIS OR COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN PASSES OR MINE OR DAN'S PASSES, WE SIT HERE AND PUT IN THE AMENDMENT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT PARA-TRANSIT IN THE FUTURE. THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MOST MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE BARRIERS TO RIDERSHIP AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THOSE FOLKS CAN UTILIZE THE BUS LIKE ANYONE ELSE. SOME OF THE COMMENTS IS THEY'RE GOING TO START RIDING IT MORE. IF YOU'RE GETTING ON IT AND YOU'RE ON A FIXED BUDGET THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET ON IT FREE AND DO ADDITIONAL TRIPS AND THE LIKE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE BARRIERS. WITH THAT, WITHOUT GOING ON TOO MUCH, YOU KNOW I URGE EVERYONE'S SUPPORT FOR THIS. AND INCLUDE IT AT AS PART OF THE OVERALL DEAL. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. QUESTION, HOW MANY SUN VAN DRIVERS DO WE HAVE? >> COUNCILOR GROUT, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 52 SUN VAN DRIVERS. >>COUN. GROUT: HOW MANY DRIVERS DO WE NEED? >> WE'RE CURRENTLY ALLOCATED FOR 83. >>COUN. GROUT: THESE 52 WE HAVE, ARE THEY WORKING OVERTIME? >> YES. BOTH FOR SUN VAN AND FIXED ROUTE SERVICE WE'RE UTILIZING OVERTIME AND SUPERVISORS TO HEMOPHIL IN THE GAP. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >>COUN. JONES: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I THINK THIS IS A GRAND IDEA. AND OBVIOUSLY A GREAT SERVICE THAT THE CITY PROVIDES. HOWEVER, THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED TO US IS A BIT MORE THAN CONFUSING. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TRIPS 15,000. IT'S A TRIP AND YOU COUNT IT DIFFERENTLY. WHAT I LIKE TO SEE BEFORE WE TAKE A FINAL VOTE, WHICH I HOPE WE DO QUICKLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ACTUAL FACTUAL HOW MANY PEOPLE GET ON AND GET OFF EVERY DAY AND IS THAT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE OR THE TIMES THAT SOMEONE GETS ON AND OFF? I LIKE REAL INFORMATION ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE AND WHAT PEOPLE USE THIS. AND IS THERE -- AND YOU TOUCHED ON IT BRIEFLY, WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT TO QUALIFY FOR PARA-TRANSIT? I THINK IF WE HAD ALL THE INFORMATION IT'S A PIECE OF CAKE TO PASS. IT'S OBVIOUSLY NEEDED IN THE CITY. I'M UNCOMFORTABLE VOTING YES ON THIS BECAUSE I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT NUMBERS, HOW MANY PEOPLE, HOW MANY STOP, HOW MANY VANS, WHERE DO THEY GO? I JUST LIKE TO HAVE THE NUMBERS PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY PLEASE. THANK YOU. >> COUNCILOR JONES, AGAIN, THE NUMBERS ARE ABOUT 15,000. THAT'S THE RIDERSHIP. 13,000 FOR THE LAST MONTH OF NOVEMBER. THAT'S THE SUN VAN DRIVERS ARE CALCULATING. THEY'RE KEEPING TRACK OF THE PEOPLE GETTING ON SUN VAN. YOU ALSO ASKED ABOUT THE ELIGIBILITY FOR SUN VAN. THERE'S THREE KINDS OF ELIGIBILITY TYPE. THE ABILITY TO NAVIGATE THE SYSTEM INDEPENDENTLY. LACK OF ACCESSIBLE VEHICLES OR PUS STOP. AND THE THIRD IS INABILITY TO REACH A STOP BECAUSE OF YOUR DISABILITY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? >>COUN. JONES: I UNDERSTOOD THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE. IT DOESN'T GIVE ME THE REAL NUMBERS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE -- HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HANDLE EACH DAY. NOT HOW MANY TRIPS DO WE MAKE, BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME OF THE QUALIFICATIONS AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY PROBABLY ARE. IT'S A LITTLE MORE KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING A BUNCH OF MONEY. I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION BEFORE I VOTE YES. I THINK IT'S A GREAT SERVICE WE NEED TO PROVIDE. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE HAVE ANOTHER AMENDMENT THAT ADDRESSES THE NEED AND THE PRIORITY ON THIS. WHY DON'T WE -- I GUESS IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO HIS. I KNOW THIS AMENDMENT IS ON THE TABLE COULD WE DISCUSS THAT AMENDMENT BEFORE VOTING ON THIS? >>COUN. DAVIS: SURE. IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL. WE'VE GOT TWO. I THINK COUNCILOR BASSAN'S IS RELATED TO THE DATA QUESTION AND OTHERS AS WELL. I DON'T SEE ANY SHAKING HEADS. COUNCILOR BASSAN, SINCE WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS WHAT WOULD BE AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO SO WE CAN HAVE THIS TOGETHER? >>COUN. BASSAN: I THINK WE CAN MOVE TWO AMENDMENTS, IF I'M CORRECT PER ROBERT'S RULES. IT'S FINE IF WE DISCUSS IT. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT COUNCILOR PEÑA IS DIRECTING THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT TO ESTABLISH A PROCESS. IT'S NOT EVEN IN MY OPINION ASKING TO MOVE MOUNTAINS IT'S ASKING FOR A PROCESS TO MAKE THINGS RIGHT. I REALIZE AND I HEAR ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PROBLEMS AND CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE BUT I PERSONALLY AM NOT OPPOSED TO IT. BUT MY UPCOMING AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO WILL BE ON PAGE LINE THREE AFTER LINE 22 INSERT THE FOLLOWING WHEREAS READILY ACCESSIBLE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT PARA-TRANSIT SERVICE SUCH AS THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT SUN VAN SERVICE IS CRITICAL TO ENSURING JUST FOR DISABLED PERSONS. AND ON PAGE 10 LINE SEVEN AFTER THE TITLE SECTION NINE INSERT THE FOLLOWING, THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT SHALL CONDUCT A STUDY TO IMPROVE THE ACCESS TO AND EQUITY OF QUALIFYING FOR AND UTILIZING THE DEPARTMENT SUN VAN SERVICE. THE STUDY IS TO BE COMPLETED BY APRIL 30E , AND TRANSMITTED TO THE COUNCIL OFFICE BY MAY 15. AND IT SHALL BE OVER SEEN BY A TECHNICAL ADVISORY TEAM FROM TRANSIT DEPARTMENT AND SUN VAN STAFF AND SUN VAN RIDERS FROM THE PARATRANSIT BOARD AND THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT DEEMS BENEFICIAL TO THE TEAM. THE STUDIES SHALL NOT BE LIMIT TODAY THE FOLLOWING. STREAMLINES THE APPLICATION PROCESS. THE THE VIABILITY OF APPLICANTS SELF-ATTESTING TO THE CONDITION. UTILIZING ANY VARIETY DOCUMENTS AS TO WHY THEY REQUIRE THE SERVICE. PLACING AS MUCH OF THE APPLICATION ONLINE AS POSSIBLE. IDENTIFYING STRATEGIES TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN DRIVERS AND THE COST TO IMPLEMENT THE STUDY. SECTION TEN AND RENUMBER ALL SUBSEQUENT NUMBERS ACCORDINGLY. I ASKED FOR THIS AMENDMENT FOR SIMILAR REASONS THAT COUNCILOR PEÑA HAD BROUGHT UP. I THINK IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EQUITY ASK REALIZING THE TRUE OTHER PORTION OF THE MOST VULNERABLE POPULATION IN ALBUQUERQUE WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. AND STREAMLINE THE SERVICES FOR THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I THINK THEY GO HAND AND HAND WHEN IT COMES TO ZERO FARES IN ADDITION TO THE PARA-TRANSIT SERVICE. I WANTED TO TO DO THIS TO MAKE A SUN VAN SERVICE A PERMANENT ZOE FARE SERVICE AND. AND ALSO REQUIRE FOLLOW UPS TO THE STUDY BECAUSE I CAN'T STAND THAT WE DO STUDIES ALL THE TIME AND DO NOTHING WITH THEM AFTERWARDS. WHEN THE TIME IS APPROPRIATE WE'LL MOVE THIS AMENDMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, CLR. I THINK THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK THESE DO GO TOGETHER FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. DIRECTOR, I APPRECIATE THAT. I DO HEAR AND I APPRECIATE COUNCILOR BASSAN CALLING IT OUT. AND HEAR UPCOMING AMENDMENT ABOUT STREAMLINING THE APPLICATION PROCESS. IT WAS BEFORE THE LAST ADMINISTRATION WE HAD A STUDY SESSION UPSTAIRS WITH PARA-TRANSIT RIDERS. AND COUNCILOR PEÑA HAS PERSONAL FAMILY EXPERIENCE, MY PARTNER HAS WORKED IN THE DISABILITY COMMUNITY FOR YEARS. AND LORD HAVE MERCY IT'S HARD TO GET A SUN-VAN. YOU GET A CALL AND A THREE-WINDOW AND SOMETIMES IT'S COLD AND YOUR SERVICE QUITS OR YOU DON'T GET TO YOUR APPOINTMENT BECAUSE THE BUS CAME AT THE LAST OF THE THREE HOUR WINDOW. IT'S HARD. WE WORK FOR AN ONLINE PROCESS. STILL TALKING ABOUT HOW TO MAKE IT BETTER. A 17-PAGE APPLICATION SEEMS A LITTLE EXTREME NO MATTER HOW BIG THE FONT. IF 12-POINT FONT -- IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ASKING A LITTLE TOO MUCH. THAT SAID, CLEARLY OUR DENIAL RATE IS TELLING US PEOPLE WANT THIS AND OUR PROCESS WORKS. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE EXCEPT FOR THE FACT WE HAVEN'T RESOURCED IT WELL. IF WE'RE GOING IT FROM 60 APPLICANTS A MONTH TO 100 IF YOUR DENIAL RATE IS THE SAME WE'RE CAPTURING FOLKS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE AND MEETING THE SERVICE. WE NEED A BETTER JOB OF RESOURCING THAT WELL. AS PART OF THAT CHALLENGING HARD TO RECRUIT POSITIONS THAT COUNCILOR SANCHEZ TALKED ABOUT. I SEE BOTH OF THESE GOING TOGETHER. COUNCILOR, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. I THINK YOU'RE A GOOD ADVOCATE FOR THIS. I'LL BE VOTING FOR BOTH. COUNCILOR PEÑA, I THINK WE'RE BACK ON YOUR AMENDMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? ON AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THE INTERESTING REVIEW OF BOTH OF THIS IS THIS SAYS ESTABLISH A PROCESS BY WHICH APPLICANTS USE TRANSIT SERVICES AND CREATE A SYSTEM FOR SELF-ASSESSMENT ET CETERA. THIS SAYS TO REVIEW THE VIABILITY OF SETTING UP A SYSTEM LIKE THAT. THEY'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THAT WAY. I GUESS MY POINT IS IT'S A COUNCIL POLICY DECISION. AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE IS A REQUIREMENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO FAILS TO LOOK AT THIS AND COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION. IT'S A COUNCIL POLICY DECISION. I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK THE SPONSORS SAID THEY TRY TO DEFER WITH THE OTHER BILLS. GIVE US A CHANCE TO REVISIT. >>COUN. LEWIS: I WOULD ASK IF YOU ALL ARE INTENDING TO DEFER THE RELATED BILL, IS THAT THE INTENTION OF THE RELATED BILL? >>COUN. DAVIS: I BELIEVE IT IS. >>COUN. PEÑA: I'LL DEFER TO COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: I MAY NOT BE AFTER A WHILE. SDMRP WE'RE BACK ON . >>COUN. PEÑA: I URGE YOUR SUPPORT ON AMENDMENT ONE. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED? COUNCILOR BASSAN, AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. >>COUN. BASSAN: I MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO AS READ EARLIER. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR PEÑA. COUNCILOR BASSAN ON YOUR BILL. >>COUN. BASSAN: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL AS TWICE AMENDED. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'D WE DEFER THIS -- I THINK EVERY REQUEST THE DEPARTMENT HAS HAD -- HONESTLY EVERY REQUEST THAT THE PUBLIC HAS BROUGHT UP WE'VE IMPLEMENTED THIS BILL. I GUESS WHAT I WOULD ASK TONIGHT IS IF THERE IS A BURNING DESIRE TO DEFER THIS WE HAVE STATED GOOD REASONS WHY. NOT THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT SOME MORE. I BELIEVE WE'VE READ THIS OVER AND OVER. WE'VE DISCUSSED IT OVER AND OVER. IF THERE'S SOMETHING -- WE DEFERRED BECAUSE OF A STUDY. IF IT'S DEFER JUST BECAUSE I GUESS WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT SOME OR MORE LEARN ABOUT IT -- WE REALLY NEED TO STATE SOME VERY SPECIFIC REASONS. BECAUSE I THINK IT'S WORTH POSSIBLY WORKING THOSE OUT TONIGHT. THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS. TO DO THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS BILL? >> YES, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS ELI. FOLLOWED BY KAYLA. >>COUN. DAVIS: GOING ONCE. >> KAYLA FOLLOWED BY EVELYN ON ZOOM. >> HELLO, THANK YOU, COUNCIL. AND TO THE PRESIDENT FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. I AM A STUDENT AT VOLCANO VISTA HIGH SCHOOL. I REPRESENT COUNCIL DISTRICT FIVE. I URGE THE COUNCIL TO OPPOSE THE END OF THE ZERO FARES PROGRAM. FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. LATELY MY POLICY TOWARD UNSHELTERED YOUTH AND PUBLIC SERVICE AND UTILITY AND PUBLIC HEALTH. THE IMMUNITY CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION GUARANTEES THE FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT FOR ALL CITIZENS ASK THE RIGHT TO TRAVEL I BELIEVE THE CITY NEEDS TO WORK FOR ALL PEOPLE TO EXERCISE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOM. I WANT TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE SEVERE SCHOOL BUS SHORTAGE. WHICH IS LEAVING SOME STUDENTS WITH NO TRANSPORTATION AND THEY'RE LEFT WITH FINDING DIFFERENT MEANS OF GETTING TO AND FROM SCHOOL. SEVERAL OCCASIONS AT MY OWN SCHOOL BUS TRANSPORTATION IS CANCELED SO SOME STUDENTS WITH MINUTES BEFORE THE FINAL BELL RINGS FOR THE DAY. AND THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED MAY IMPACT YOUTH FROM ACCESSING EDUCATION AS MANY STUDENTS INCLUDING MYSELF DON'T BRING IDENTIFICATION OR MONEY TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY. THAT'S ALL, I URGE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE NEGATIVE IMPACT THAT REGULAR FARES ON A BUS COULD HAVE ON YOUTH AND STUDENTS IN ALBUQUERQUE. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANKS FOR COMING. WOULD YOU MIND IF I ASKED YOU A FEW QUESTIONS? THANKS FOR SERVING. YOU SERVE IN MY DISTRICT. I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING TO KNOW YOU AND TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THIS. THANKS FOR COMING AND SERVING ON THAT COMMISSION. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. DO YOU RIDE THE TRANSIT? HOW OFTEN DO YOU THE TRANSIT? I'M JUST INTERESTED, I'M NOT PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT. >> I THINK YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION NEAR THERE. I THINK THE CLOSEST BUS STOP IS A 45 MINUTE WALK. I DON'T REALLY USE IT. I'M IN A PRIVILEGE POSITION, I HAVE MY OWN CAR. I KNOW IN A LOT OF CASES, LIKE MY PARENTS, WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR CARS THEY RIDE THE BUS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR PEÑA AND I TOOK A TRANSIT TRIP FROM THE NORTHWEST TRANSIT CENTER A FEW WEEKS AGO. WE MET A STUDENT FROM CIBOLA HIGH SCHOOL AND SHE WAS ON HER WAY ACROSS TOWN. IT WAS INTERESTING MEETING HER AND I WAS GLAD SHE WAS PARTICIPATING AND RIDING THE BUS IN THAT WAY. YOU HAVE A STUDENT I.D.? >> I DO. >>COUN. LEWIS: DO YOU CARRY THAT I.D.? YOU'RE REQUIRED TO AT SCHOOL? >> THERE MAY BE A REQUIREMENT TO CARRY AT SCHOOL. AS FAR AS I KNOW I'VE NEVER BEEN ASKED TO PRESENT AN I. D. USUALLY, THEY'LL ASK US, IF YOU'RE CHECKING OUT A LIBRARY BOOK, BUT YOU DON'T NEED IT. I THINK IN THE PAST, LIKE DURING COVID, I'M NOT SURE IF I HAD AN I.D. OR LOST IT. THAT'S WHY I THINK A LOT OF STUDENTS IT TAKES THE BACK BURNER ON PRIORITIES. >>COUN. LEWIS: DO YOU HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE? DO YOU CARRY THAT WITH YOU? >> I DO. ANY OF THOSE ARE ACCEPTABLE. THIS IS A FREE FRAER PROGRAM. YOU CAN RIDE IT FOR FREE BY SHOWING THE I. D. >> I THINK MY POINT IS A LOT OF KIDS THAT RELY ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ARE THE KIDS THAT CAN'T DRIVE AND DON'T HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE. I THINK HAVING A STUDENT I.D. IS THEIR ONLY FORM OF IDENTIFICATION TO GET ON THE BUS. AT LEAST AT MY SCHOOL, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR OTHER SCHOOLS HAVING AN I.D. IS NOT A PRIORITY. IF YOU'RE UNDER THE AGE OF HAVING A DRIVER'S LICENSE WHICH YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DRIVE YOU CAN RIDE FOR FREE ANYWAY. ONE OF THE THINGS IN THIS BILL WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THOUGHT OF ALL THOSE THINGS. SO THE INTENTION CERTAINLY IS NOT TO DISPARAGE ANYBODY IN ANY WAY. IN FACT, IT REALLY GOES A LONG WAY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. THANKS FOR LETTING ME PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. I SURE APPRECIATE IT AND APPRECIATE YOU SERVING. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU WHERE MR. PRESIDENT. EVELYN FOLLOWED BY XAVIER. >> HI, I'M A CRUISER OF BUSES ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY FOR GETTING AROUND. I JUST WANT TO SPEAK TO BILL O-22-47. I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE THAT IF IT -- PASSES ARE GOING TO MAKE RIDING THE SYSTEM ANY SAFER. I THINK ACCESSIBILITY AND SAFETY ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT ISSUES. HAVING TO REQUIRE PASSES OF ANY SORT OR I.D.s IS MORE OF A BIRD FRN ACCESSIBILITY. YOU CAN FORGET THEM. MAYBE YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THEM. YOU LOST THEM. AND IN WHICH CASE YOU'RE DENIED THE FREE RIDE. AND ALSO, PASSES PROVIDE A CREATIVE BURDEN FOR THE ADMINISTRATION FOR GETTING THEM TO THE PUBLIC. WHO IS GOING TO HANDLE THAT? HOW DO YOU GET THERE? TO QUALIFY OR RECEIVE THE PASSES. I JUST WANT TO SAY I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT ZERO FARES. OIPTS IT'S HELPFUL FOR ME AND MY NEIGHBORS. WE'RE ALL LOW INCOME. I DON'T SEE HOW PASSES ARE GOING TO CREATE ANYTHING TOWARD SAFETY. I THINK SAFETY IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE. AND IT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. WHICH FRANKLY REQUIRES MONITORS. BUS MONITORS OR SAFETY OFFICERS. THANK YOU. >> XAVIER FOLLOWED BY SARAH. >> HELLO, GOOD EVENING. I'M CALLING WITH THE INSTITUTE, I ALSO DO WITH THE LEADERSHIP TEAM. I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. CLEARLY, I THINK IN OTHER CIRCLES AND THESE CIRCLES AND THE COUNCIL MEETINGS, THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN AS TO WHAT'S DESIRED. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE ALTERNATIVE PROPOSALS ON HOW TO ADDRESS SAFETY AND REALLY KEEP ISSUES UNIQUE BUT ALSO INTERCONNECTED AS A WAY OF NOT INTERFERING WITH THE ZERO FARE MODEL THAT IS PROVEN TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND INCREASING THIS TYPE OF TIME AND LOOKING AT THE OTHER IDEAS CITIZENS HAVE BROUGHT WHO USE THE BUS DAILY I THINK IS THE TIME WHERE WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON OUR ENERGY. I THINK THAT'S THE POINT. THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. KEEP ZERO FARES ZERO FARE AND LET'S ADDRESS THE OTHER ISSUES WE CAN LOOK AT. >> SARAH FOLLOWED BY JOSETTE. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, LET ME FIRST THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION AND SERVICE TO OUR CITY. I LIVE IN DISTRICT TWO. I AM SPEAKING AS A MEMBER OF THE ALLIANCE FOR LOCAL ECONOMIC PROSPERITY WHICH IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION SPEAKING ECONOMIC AND POLICY SOLUTIONS FOR NEW MEXICO. OUR FOCUS IS BUILDING PROSPERITY IN THE COMMUNITY TO INCREASED ACCESS TO FINANCIAL INVESTMENT AND SUPPORT FOR LOCAL SOLUTIONS WHICH INCREASE ECONOMIC PARTICIPATION. WE FEEL THAT THE ZERO FARE PROGRAM IS BOLD INITIATIVE AND WE ASK YOU PLEASE TO CONTINUE THE ZERO FARE PROGRAM PERMANENTLY. HOWEVER WE ARE URGING THE COUNCIL TO VOTE NO ON O-22-47. PLEASE DO NOT ADD A LAYER OF GOVERNMENT, IN THIS CASE, INCREASING RED TAPE REQUIREMENTS FOR RIDING OUR CITY BUSES. THIS ORDINANCE WILL COMPLICATE THE LIVES OF RESIDENCES BY REQUIRING ADDITIONAL AND SPECIFIC IDENTIFICATION BEFORE GETTING ON A BUS. ADDITIONALLY, WE DON'T FEEL THAT THERE IS DEFINITIVE PROOF THAT THERE IS A POSITIVE ELEMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW ADDITIONAL IDENTIFICATION TO DECREASE OR REDUCE EITHER CRIME OR INCREASE SAFETY. THE ALLIANCE UNDERSTANDS THE DECREASING BARRIERS SUCH AS THIS NEW IDENTIFICATION ENCOURAGES MORE PEOPLE, NOT FEWER TO RIDE BUSES. GREATER BUS USAGE ENHANCES ALBUQUERQUE'S REPUTATION AND LIVEABILITY. BUS ACCESS TO ALL OUR OPEN SPACES AND PARKS -- IS THE BEST WAY TO ENCOURAGE HEALTHY LIVES. WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE BUS RIDERSHIP NOT COMPLICATE IT. >> JOSETTE FOLLOWED BY ATHEIA. >> I'M THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PROGRESS NEW MEXICO. AS PART OF THE ZERO FARES COALITION PRIME A PROOPPONENT AS A TRUE PUBLIC SAFETY WHICH PROVIDES MUCH NEEDED TRANSPORTATION IN ALBUQUERQUE AS A LEADER OF TRANSIT EQUITY. ZERO FARES TAKE AS STRAIGHT FORWARD APPROACH HOP ON THE BUS AND RIDE. ZERO FARES HAS ONLY BEEN DONE AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TIME TO MEASURE THE IMPACTS OR ASSESS ADDITIONAL NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. COMMUNITY IS KEY AND THE VOICE OF TRANSIT-DEPENDENT RIDERS SHOULD BE HEARD. THE ORDINANCE TO END ZERO FARES AND REQUIRE A PASS SYSTEM UNFAIRLY BLAMES ZERO FARES FOR SECURITY ISSUES. THESE ISSUES ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE DECEMBER 5th ORDINANCE BY COUNCILOR DAVIS AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. THE ORDINANCE 0-22-47 INSTITUTE PASSES AND I.D. WAS RIDDLED WITH FAULTY DATA ANALYSIS NAMELY COUNTING SECURITY CALLS WITHOUT ADEQUATELY DEFINING THEM. AND IN TERMS OF TOTAL NUMBER OF CALLS RATHER THAN IDENTIFY THEM AS RIDERS AFTER PANDEMIC RESEARCH AND WITH ZERO FARES. I CANNOT TELL IF THIS IS FAULTY ANALYSIS WAS INTENTIONAL TO FEAR MONGER OR EXAGGERATE CRIMEERATES OR AN HONEST MISTAKE AND A FAILURE TO CONSIDER ALL DATA. EITHER ARE UNACCEPTABLE GIVEN THE POSITIONS A CITY LEADERS. MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE. USE ZERO FARES AS INTENDED. AND FULLY FUND TRANSIT BEYOND ZERO FARES. THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SOCIAL SERVICE FOR THE HOMELESS. WHO ARE ALREADY STRUGGLING. DON'T BLAME ZERO FARES FOR THE CITY NOT MAKING GOOD ON RESPONSIBILITIES TO ALL THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE. >> ALTHEA FOLLOWED BY JADE. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. AN AS A MEMBER FOR TOGETHER FOR BROTHERS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE POLICY STAFF AT FUTURE MEETINGS. LIKE CREATING A COMMUNITY-BASED SAFETY PLAN THAT BRINGS CREATIVE SOLUTIONS TO PUBLIC SAFETY. I OPPOSE IT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN OVERBUREAUCRATIC RESPONSE THAT DOES NOTHING TO TARGET THE RESPONSE. I TOLD YOU ABOUT EQUITY CONCERNS AND ON THE GET ON GO MODEL THAT MADE MY RIDE SO MUCH SMOOTHER. REDUCING CONFLICT AND CREATING SMOOTHER RIDES FOR ALL. THIS PLAN WOULD ADFRICTION INTO THE SYSTEM AND HAVE LITTLE TO NO SERVICE OR SAFETY BENEFITS TO RIDERS OR DRIVERS. I'VE BEEN BONUS BETWEEN THIS MEET{THE VICTORY HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING. AND FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS SHARED CONCERNS ABOUT HOW ABQ RIDE WOULD MANAGE THIS MUCH PERSONAL DATA AND INFORMATION. THIS DOESN'T HEADACHE AND SECURELY. I ALSO WORRY ABOUT THE VAST COST MATERIALLY IN STAFF AND MATERIALS AND ISSUING I.D.S AND PASSES AND MANAGING THESE BUS PASS PROGRAMS. AND I REALLY AM AFRAID ABOUT THE SAFETY AND ADDED RIDER AND DRIVER CONFLICT AND THE SECURITY OF PERSONAL DATA. PLEASE VOTE NO ON O-22-47. >> JADE. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I'M ASKING YOU TO VOTE NO ON O-22-47 AND KEEP ZERO FARES PROGRAM. THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN HAVE GIVEN A GREAT EXAMPLE ON HOW THIS PLACES UNDUE BURDEN ON DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE I WORK WITH. BOTH IN MY JOB AND VOLUNTEERING I WORKING WITH SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC AND SEXUAL VIOLENCE. I CANNOT EXPRESS HOW HEART BREAKING IT IS TO SEE PEOPLE THAT CANNOT AFFORD OR ACCESS TRANSPORTATION. THERE'S SO MANY EXAMPLES I CAN THINK OF FROM MY WORK AND SURVIVORS I'VE HEARD WITH THE BARRIERS OF THEM AND SUPPORT IS TRANSPORTATION. I'VE SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS ON THE PHONE WITH PEOPLE TRYING TO BRAINSTORM SOLUTIONS THAT GETTING RID OF THE ZEROFARES CREATES BARRIERS. HAVING IDENTIFICATION SUCH AS A DRIVERS LICENSE, AN ABUSERS MAY TAKE AWAY THE PARTNERS LICENSE AND THEY'RE UNABLE TO GET TRANSPORTATION FOR THINGS LIKE FOOD. THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH. PEOPLE TRYING TO ACCESS HEALTH OR ABUSE SERVICES BECOME HARDER WHEN TRANSPORTATION BARRIERS IN THE WAY. IF WE WANT TO FOCUS ON SAFETY AND DECREASE VIOLENCE WE MUST LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE AND THAT MEANS DECREASING THE BARRIERS FOR PEOPLE THAT NEED THEM. I URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON O-22-47 AND KEEP THE ZERO FARES PROGRAM. >> THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL AS TWICE AMENDED. BACK TO THE SPONSORS. I'LL GO TO COUNCILOR SANCHEZ QUICKLY. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THE BILL. ONE OF THE THINGS WE FORGET TO LISTEN TO ARE THE BUS DRIVERS. THE INDIVIDUALS OUT THERE DOING THE JOB. I HAVE FRIENDS AND MY DAD WAS A BUS DRIVER. IT DOES MAKE IT VERY DIFFICULT WHEN ANYONE CAN GET ON THE BUS. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS IS HITTING MIDDLE GROUND IN REFERENCE TO MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S SOME SORT OF ACCOUNTABILITY WHEN PEOPLE GET ON AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THE BUS DRIVERS ARE SAFE. ALSO, I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH SEVERAL POLICE OFFICERS OVER THELASH -- LAST SEVERAL WEEKS IN RFERANCE TO THE BILL AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY EXPRESSED IS THE AMOUNT OF WORK THEY HAVE TO DO THAT SOMETIMES NEVER GETS REPORTED TO DEAL WITH THE UNRULELY INDIVIDUALS AND ALSO HELPING TO PROTECT THE BUS DRIVERS. WE DON'T EVEN ASK THE POLICE OFFICERS WHAT THEIR OPINION IS IN REFERENCE TO LEADERSHIP. WE NEED TO ASK THESE FOLKS WHO ARE DOING THE JOB AND HAVE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, ASK THEM WHAT CAN WE DO IMPROVE OUR SAFETY. THE FACT THAT YOU'RE AN EMPLOYEE WITH US, HOW CAN WE HELP MAKE SURE WE IMPROVE YOUR EMPLOYMENT WITH THE CITY SO YOU STICK AROUND. I'M JUST ALL FOR BUILDING AND TRYING TO HELP BUILD THE EMPLOYMENT BASE WE NEED IN THE CITY. I THINK THIS IS AN INCORPORATION OF EVERYTHING. WITH THESE TWO AMENDMENTS, I'M GLAD THAT I BROUGHT IT UP LAST MEETING IN REFERENCE TO THE DISABLED INDIVIDUALS AND I'M GLAD WE HAVE THE TWO AMENDMENTS. THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE SPONSORS IN REFERENCE TO THIS BILL. I APPRECIATE IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET ME ADD MY COMMENT. COUNCILOR BASSAN, I'M SORRY. >>COUN. BASSAN: I KNOW COUNCILOR LEWIS INDICATED YOU ASKED IF THERE'S FURTHER QUESTIONS AND I DO HAVE MANY QUESTIONS. I THINK THERE WOULD BE TWO REASONS I SUPPORT A DEFERRAL BUT I'M HAPPY TO ASK THEM TONIGHT AND MOVE THROUGH IT. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED? OKAY. MOST OF THIS, DIRECTOR KEENER, PROBABLY YOU CAN HELP WITH A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS. FORGIVE ME IF THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT ALL OVER THE PLACE. I'VE TAKEN NOTES AS WE GO AND I TOOK SOME EARLIER. DIRECTOR, CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW MUCH MONEY WILL IMPLEMENTING THIS NEW SYSTEM COST BETWEEN HARDWARE SOFTWARE TECHNOLOGY TRAINING, EDUCATION THE ACTUAL PASSES THEMSELVES, HOW MUCH ARE WE LOOKING TO SPEND TO DO THIS AND IMPLEMENT IT? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, I CAN GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION AS FAR AS WHERE WE WERE PRIOR TO ZERO FARES. THIS IS TO INCLUDE CUSTOMER SERVICE, REPAIRS, BUS PASSES, AND THIS ONLY INCLUDES STANDARD BUS PASSES. MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS, ARMORED CAR SERVICES TO MOVE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE GET MONEY TO PULL ON A LOT. AND SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE AND CREDIT CARD VENDOR FEES. AND ALL THAT ADDED UP T ROUGHLY HALF-MILLION DOLLARS. IF YOU GO TOWARD SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY, THAT COULD TAKE AN ADDITIONAL HALF-MILLION FOR THE SOFTWARE ASSOCIATED AND THE HARDWARE UP GRADES WE NEED TO MAKE. WE TALKED A LIT BIT ABOUT ART AND HOW THAT WORKED. ADDITIONALLY, TO GET STARTED WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE SUPPORT. IT WOULD BE MORE OF THROUGHOUT THE BUS DRIVER'S TRIP WHERE THEY HAVE TO STOP AND MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE HAD THE APPROPRIATE PASS ON THEM. DELAYS TO THE BUSSES THERE. AND GOING FORWARD THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROCURE REAR DOOR BOARDING AND MONITORING SYSTEMS. THAT'S DPOOB -- GOING TO BE AN ADDITIONAL COST I HAVEN'T GOTTEN. WE'RE LOOKING AT A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY TO IMPLEMENT THE FREE PASS SYSTEM AND REFERRALS HAVE THE REVENUE FROM THE FARE BOX WHICH COUNCIL HOPED TO SUPPLEMENT$3 MILLION FOR THE FIRST YEAR AND 1.5 TO TAKE IT INTO JUNE. THAT'S WHAT YOU LOOK AT AS TAR FAR AS COST. >>COUN. BASSAN: WHAT WAS THE$3 MILLION? >> THAT'S THE REVENUE WE'RE MISSING OUT ON. IT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPLEMENTED AS WE WENT INTO ZERO FARES PROGRAM. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. SO, WHEN WE WERE CHARGING FARES, ROUGHLY HOW MUCH ANNUALLY DID TRANSIT TAKE IN REVENUE? >>COUN. DAVIS: WHEN WE WROTE THE BILL IT WAS $3.4 MILLION. THAT'S WHY WE SUPPLEMENTED A$3 MILLION. $3.4 MILLION COLLECTED IN QUARTERS AND DIMES. >>COUN. BASSAN: WE COLLECT $3.4 MILLION PER YEAR BY PEOPLE RIDING. >>COUN. DAVIS: UNDER THE OLD FARE SYSTEM. WITH ALL THE PASSES. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. AND THEN, THIS IS THE REASON I'M GOING TO START ASKING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I READ THROUGH THE WHEREAS CLAUSES IN THIS ORDINANCE AND THE UPCOMING PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND THERE'S A LOT ABOUT SECURITY. I'M THE FIRST TO ADMIT THAT I'M OPPOSED TO ZERO FARES WHEN I FIRST VOTED A COUPLE YEARS AGO. I VOTED NO. I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO INCREASE CRIME AND INCREASE JUST DAY RIDING. ALL DAY LONG JUST TO BE OUT OF THE ELEMENTS. I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT SECURITY. I'VE COME AROUND ENOUGH TO THINK THAT SECURITY -- THIS IS WHAT WE'RE READING ABOUT. SECURITY IS A LOT. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SECURITY, AND THIS NEW CHANGE, IF WE WERE TO GO BACK. BECAUSE THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING SECURITY HAS BECOME AN ISSUE AND SAFETY IS AN ISSUE. ON OUR BUSES. YOU HAVE A STUDY THAT SAYS IT'S NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE OF ZERO FARES. AND ON THE OTHER HAND YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE SAYING THAT IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE OF ZERO FARES AND HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THERE'S ACCOUNTABILITY. IF WE GO PACK TO CHARGING FARES, WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION OF CRIME CHANGING? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, I DON'T KNOW THIS -- I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS YOU GO TO ZERO FARES IS TO REMOVE THE FARE BOX. I DO THINK THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE SOMETHING WE'RE FACED WITH AND HAVE ISSUES RESULTING IN THE FARES AND THE PASSES THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED AND DISPUTES OVER THAT. THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BECOME AN ISSUE. >>COUN. BASSAN: WHEN YOU SAY THERE WAS FARE DISPUTES THAT'S GOING TO BE TWHOOEN -- BETWEEN THE DRIVER AND PERSON GETTING ON THE BUS. WE'RE INCREASING POTENTIAL CRIME OR AN INCIDENT WITH THE DRIVER THAT'S ALREADY OF CONCERN RIGHT NOW. IN THE POSITION WE'RE IN. >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD BE INCREASING. I DON'T KNOW WE WOULD SEE A DRASTIC DECREASE. I KNOW THAT WE WILL SOME FARE DISPUTE ISSUES. >>COUN. BASSAN: I DON'T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO BE THE ONE. DON'T GO FAR BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BOUNCE AROUND. ON ONE OF THE WHEREAS CLAUSES IT SAYS THE FREE FARE PROGRAM HAD 25% INCREASE OF CALLS FOR SERVICE ON BUSES AND THERE'S A DRIVER SHORTAGE SINCE THE INCEPTION OF FREE FARES THE MOTOR COACH OPERATORS HAVE LEFT EMPLOYMENT WITH THE CITY CITING SAFETY CONCERNS WHICH EXACERBATES THE DRIVER SHORTAGE. WERE EXIT INTERVIEWS PERFORMED TO CONFIRM THAT'S WHY THESE DRIVERS WERE LEAVING? >> NO. WE DO NOT DO EXIT INTERVIEWS. WE HAD SOME SAY THERE WAS SECURITY CONCERNS. THAT WAS JUST PROVIDED TO US. >>COUN. BASSAN: THIS IS A RANDOM ONE. WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THE CITY BUS WASH? ARE WE ABLE TO CLEAN OUR BUSES? >> WE ARE NOT RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE STILL DOWN. WE HAVE GOT AN ORDER RIGHT NOW. WE'RE HOPING BY THE END OF THE MONTH WE'RE ABLE TO REPLACE IT. TWZ FROM 2004. AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DESIGNING RIGHT NOW ANY BUS WASH THAT WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE READY TO GO BY THE END OF THE YEAR. HOW MUCH WOULD NEW BUS WASH COST? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER. >>COUN. BASSAN: I'M SURE IT'S A LOT. THEN THERE'S ALSO THE ANALYZING INDIVIDUAL SECURITY INCIDENTS WHEREAS CLAUSE WHERE IT'S SECURITY INCIDENTS TRENDS. I REALLY LIKE THIS CLAUSE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW ADDING FARES IS GOING TO -- FOR REFERENCE I'M SORRY, IT'S PAGE TWO AND THREE, PAGE TWO LINE 31 TO PAGE THREE LINE TWO. IT'S TALKING ABOUT REALLY INCREASING THE STRATEGY AND DIRECTING IMPERATIVE THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE IMPLEMENT A STRATEGY TO ADDRESS CONCERNS ON THE TRANSIT SYSTEM AND IT LISTS OUT SEVERAL THINGS AT BUS STOPS AND SECURITY INCIDENTS AND TRENDS. I'M WONDERING HOW CHANGING THE FARES OR KEEPING THEM THE WAY THEY ARE HOW IS IT GOING TO INCREASE MORE SECURITY? HOW IS THIS ANALYZATION GOING TO TRULY INCREASE THE SECURITY? >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, THIS ANALYZATION? >>COUN. BASSAN: LET ME READ THE FULL WHEREAS, WHEREAS IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT A STRATEGY TO ADDRESS SECURITY CONCERNS ON THE TRANSIT SYSTEM INCLUDING CREATING NEAR-TERM ACTION PLANS TO IMPROVE RESPONSES TO INCIDENTS ON TRANSIT VEHICLES, BUS STOPS AND TRANSIT STATIONS, BETTER TRACKING AND INDIVIDUAL INCIDENTS, SECURITY TRENDS AND DEVELOPING A LONG-TERM SAFETY STRATEGY. >>COUN. LEWIS: JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE QUESTION IS HOW IS THAT GOING TO IMPROVE SAFETY? >>COUN. BASSAN: HOW IS IT GOING TO ACHIEVE MORE SECURITY. >>COUN. LEWIS: I THINK THE WHEREAS DOESN'T REFER SPECIFICALLY TO CHANGE TO THE PASS PROGRAM. I THINK IT REFERS -- THE WHEREAS IS SPECIFICALLY, MR. PRESIDENT, SPEAKING ABOUT ANALYZING IT. DOING SOME STUDIES. WHICH IS I THINK THE REST OF THE BILL CONFIRMS THAT. IN FACT, THE OTHER BILL CONFIRMS THAT AS WELL. THAT WE WANT TO GET A GOOD LOOK WHEN WE DO HAVE INCIDENTS ON THE BUSES WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT HEARSAY, AND WE HAVE GOOD DATA ON THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT ADDRESSES. >> NARRATOR: I . >>COUN. BASSAN: I APOLOGIZE. A COUPLE MORE. ON PAGE FOUR, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT AUTOMATIC FREE FARE RIDERS, THERE'S A REFERENCE TO CREATING IT THEIR PHONE AND IT'S TAKING A PICTURE OF THE PASS, OR DEVELOPING AN APP? >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THAT A QUESTION FOR THE SPONSOR? >>COUN. BASSAN: YES, I GUESS SO. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT CERTAINLY COULD BE. TOM, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT? PART OF THIS IS GIVING THIS A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME. AT THE TIME WE INTRODUCE THIS BILL TO THE TIME IT'S IMPLEMENTED IS A GOOD SIX MONTHS. ADDRESS SOME OF THE WAYS WE CAN IMPLEMENT. >> I MIGHT MOVE THIS TO TRANSIT. WE ASKED THE MEANS TO IMPLEMENT THE PASS PROGRAM. I THINK THEY PROVIDED A DESCRIPTION ON HOW THAT WOULD OCCUR. >>COUN. DAVIS: I WANT TO KEEP THIS CONVERSATION MOVING. WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS TO DO. DIRECTOR. >> WE HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT APPS THAT ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO PUT THAT INFORMATION THAT WE'RE REQUESTING. AND IT WOULD PROVIDE THEM WITH AN APP THEY COULD SHOW THE DRIVERS AND EVENTUALLY HAVE IT ON THE FRAER -- FARE BOX. WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT ESTIMATE FOR THAT RIGHT NOW. I ASSUME IT'S IT'S A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS. >>COUN. BASSAN: I THINK THAT WHEN WE'RE DECIDING HOW MUCH THIS APP IS GOING TO COST I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ACCOUNT IS IT COSTING THE PERSON THAT DOWNLOADS IT ON THE PHONE OR IS IT A FREE APP? NEXT ON PAGE FIVE, LINE NINE, IT SAYS THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT WILL ALLOW MIGERATE THE PASSENGER DEMOGRAPHIC THAT IS AUTHORIZED. I'M WONDERING WHAT DEFINES ALLOW IN THIS? MAYBE THIS IS TO YOU, AS THE SPONSOR, COUNCILOR LEWIS. THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT WILL ALLOW -- WHAT IS ALLOW MEAN? IS IT INDEFINITE? WHAT IF TECHNOLOGY AND RESOURCES ARE NEVER GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO ACHIEVE THIS? >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA IS WELCOME TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE AS WELL. I THINK THAT'S THE WHEREAS SPECIFICALLY STATES WE LIKE TO PARTICIPATE WITH THE DEPARTMENT IN ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS. AND WORKING THAT OUT. BUT, YOU KNOW RATHER THAN JUST SAYING TO THE DEPARTMENT FIGURE THIS OUT, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE SOME IDEAS. THAT'S WHERE THE WHEREAS IS DESCRIPTIVE. IT'S TO SAY THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING YOU CAN DO IN THAT REGARD. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, THIS IS NOT A WHEREAS. >>COUN. LEWIS: I RECOGNIZE THAT. >>COUN. BASSAN: I'M WONDERING, YOU ASKED WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE THAT CONSTITUTE WHY I AM LOOKING FOR A DEFERRAL, I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH THAT I DON'T KNOW AS TECHNOLOGY AND RESOURCES ALLOW THAT COULD BE IN TEN YEARS DEPENDING ON THE TECHNOLOGY WE'RE LOOKING FOR. ON PAGE SIX, LINE SIX, IT TALKS ABOUT IDENTIFYING THE FEASIBILITY OF DEVELOPING A FARE BOX SYSTEM. HAVE WE BEGUN IDENTIFYING THAT PROCESS? AND DEVELOPING A FARE BOX PASS SYSTEM? OR THIS IS A CHICKEN AND EGG BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT UNTIL WE DECIDE IF WE GO THIS WAY OR NOT? >> WE HAVE STARTED WORKING WITH VENDORS AND OPTIONS AND COMMUNICATING WITH THEM. IT IS DIFFICULT NOT KNOWING WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT. DIRECTOR, DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO FIND OUT THAT AND HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO DEVELOP? >> OFFHAND, WE'RE HOPING TO START ROLLING OUT THE MOBILE PIECE AROUND APRIL TIME FRAME. AS FAR AS THE FARE BOX TECHNOLOGY, WE HAVEN'T QUITE GOTTEN TO THAT PORTION. IT WILL BE WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY GET IT AS AN APP AND SHOW A DRIVER. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S LET COUNCILOR BASSAN FINISH. >>COUN. BASSAN: I'M ALMOST DONE, MR. PRESIDENT. I THINK WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THIS THROUGH WHAT YOU MENTIONED. ON THE VERY LAST PAGE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND FOR $250,000. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH. IF WE GO TO THIS SYSTEM WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE FUNDING TO IMPLEMENT IT. IF IT'S ESTIMATED TO BE AT LEAST $500,000 WITH WHAT WE DO KNOW. WE'RE ALLOCATING $250,000. AND I'M CONCERNED WE NEED MORE MONEY. LAST THING, MY NON-CLOSE CLOSE. SECURITY IS AN ISSUE. THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT TO DO ON THE BUSES. I THINK I'VE COME TO THE POINT WHERE I REALIZE THERE'S A DIFFERENT ASPECT BETWEEN WHAT IS CAUSING SOME OF THE SECURITY PROBLEMS. I FEEL LIKE ZERO FARES IS -- I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ZERO FARES IS THE REASON WHY WE HAVE SECURITY ISSUES ON THE BUSES. I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE DRIVER SHORTAGES. I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE NEED SECURITY OFFICERS ON THE BUSES. I THINK WE NEED TO ENFORCE MORE LAWS HERE. WE NEED TO WORK WITH APD AND THE CASA AND DOJ. ALL OF THESE THINGSEE KNOW ABOUT. SECURITY AND ZERO FARES, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING HAND AND HAND. FOR THAT REASON, EVERYTHING IN THE WHEREAS IS ABOUT SECURITY. LET'S SPEND THAT $250,000 GETTING MORE SECURITY. LET'S SPEND THAT $250,000 ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING THAT WILL MAKE PEOPLE FEEL SAFER. THE ROOT PROBLEM WE HAVE AND WHAT I'M SEEING ON THE ROOT PROBLEM IS PEOPLE ARE SEEING TOO MUCH CRIME. PEOPLE ARE SEEING THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE. WHETHER THAT'S ON THE BUS OR ANYWHERE ELSE, I REALLY AM VERY HIS TONIGHT WANT TO PUT ANY MONEY TOWARD IMPLEMENTING A NEW PROGRAM WHEN I DON'T THINK, EVEN I DON'T THINK THE INTENTION IS GOOD IT WON'T SOLVE THE SECURITY PROBLEM ON THE BUS. I THINK IT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WHEN WE SHOULD REALLY BE LOOKING AT IDENTIFYING THE CRUX OF THE PROBLEM. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BASSAN. NEXT WE HAVE COUNCILOR LEWIS AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'M TRYING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE. OR ALL OF THEM. THE SECURITY, I MEAN WE COULD HAVE LEFT THAT COMPLETELY OUT OF. WE PUT THE SECURITY LANGUAGE AND EMPHASIS IN THERE BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT IT'S DIRECTLY TIED TO THAT. THERE ARE SOME WHEREAS, BACK TO THE WHEREAS CLAUSES, THOSE STATEMENTS ARE TRUE. NOT EVERYBODY MIGHT AGREE WITH THEM OR NOT OR EVEN SAY IT'S STATED THAT BUS DRIVERS HAVE BEEN HAVING ISSUES WITH FREE FARES AND SAYING IT CAUSED SAFETY ISSUES AND MAYBE WE'RE LOSING BUS DRIVERS FROM IT. IT'S NOT SAYING WE SURVEYED EVERY BUS DRIVER. IT'S A TRUE STATEMENT. ALL THAT SAID, I'D BE GLAD TO TRIKE -- STRIKE-OUT ANY OF THESE. WE CAN OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO STRIKE THOSE IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WANT TO SUPPORT THE BILL BUT HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THE WORDING OF A WHEREAS CLAUSE. WE CAN CHANGE THE WORDING OR STRIKE THEM ALTOGETHER. THE PHRASE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, WAS AS TECHNOLOGY AND RESOURCES ALLOW. THAT STATEMENT REALLY IS ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT'S TRYING TO NOT LIMIT TO A SPECIFIC TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT WOULD COST A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY OR BE OUTDATED OR MAYBE NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YEARS. THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT THAT LANGUAGE IS SAYING. AS IT WOULD ALLOW. WE WANT TO GIVE FREEDOM IN THERE. ALREADY, ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS THAT THE DEPARTMENT IS ALREADY WORKING THROUGH. AND THIS BILL GIVES THEM A LOT OF TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. WE HAVE A BUDGET IN A FEW MONTHS. AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO FUND ANY CHANGES. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY SAYS WE HAVE A MONEY PROBLEM IN THE CITY GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW. I THINK IT'S PRIORITY OF THE COUNCIL SAYING LET'S DO THIS. MAYBE NOT DO THIS. LET'S DO THIS OR MORE OF THIS. IT'S THE WAY OUR BUDGET HAS GONE. I THINK THE FUNDING ISSUES ARE CERTAINLY NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BOX US INTO A HOLE LIKE THAT. I WOULD SUGGEST IF THERE ARE CHANGES OR AMENDMENTS THAT WE CAN MAKE RELATED TO THOSE QUESTIONS TONIGHT, THAT WE CAN MAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS. I DON'T THINK THERE'S NO REASON TO DO THOSE. UNLESS YOU SIMPLY DISAGREE. THEN IT'S JUST A MATTER OF VOTING UP OR DOWN ON THIS. I'M NOT SURE IF DISAGREEING WOULD BE A REASON FOR DEFERRING THIS. WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF THERE ARE SIMPLE AMENDMENTS THAT COULD ADDRESS EACH OF THOSE QUESTIONS, STRIKING OUT SOME WHEREAS CLAUSE, OR CHANGING WORDS, WE HAVE LOTF TIME TO LOOK AT THIS AND READ THROUGH THIS. WHERE WOULD I SUGGEST WE DO THAT TONIGHT. >>COUN. DAVIS: IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SPONSOR WOULD LIKE TO VOTE ON THIS BILL. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN NEXT AND WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR BENTON AND COUNCILOR BASSAN. SEE IF WE CAN BRING THIS TO A CLOSE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WAS WONDERING IF THE DIRECTOR COULD COME PACK AND ANSWER A QUESTION. HER ANSWER ON HOW WE WERE GOING TO CHECK I.D. ESPECIALLY ON THE ART BUS. I'M CONFUSED BY THAT. COULD YOU EXPLAIN? I HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE, SO CRIME BE ABLE TO GET I'LL BE ABLE TO GET ON THE BUS FOR FREE. I GET ON THE BACK. AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOMEONE NEEDS TO CHECK MY I.D.? >> SO, YOU WOULD BASICALLY GET ON THE BUS AND NO ONE WOULD CHECK YOU. AND WE HAVE RANDOM CHECKS THROUGHOUT THE DRIVER'S TRIP AND CHECK WHO IS ON THE BUS AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE APPROPRIATE IDENTIFICATION. WHETHER IT'S A FREE PASS OR AUTOMATIC RIDER IDENTIFICATION. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I'M ON THE BUS, AND DRIVER IS GOING TO STOP THE BUS GET UP AND LEAVE THE FRONT OF THE ART BUS WALK BACK THROUGH BOTH THE FRONT AND BACK BEHIND THE ACCORDION AND CHECK EVERYONE'S I.D.? AND THEN GO BACK AND SIT BACK DOWN AND CONTINUE THE BUS RIDE? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? >> YES, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE HEARING. IT WOULDN'T BE VERY OFTEN. THERE WOULD BE AUDITS. YOU CAN -- IT WOULD BE RANDOM PERIODS THROUGHOUT THE RUN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LONG THAT WOULD TAKE? ONE CHECK. I WAS ON ART THE OTHER DAY. BOTH FRONT AND BACK WAS FULL. IF THAT PERSON IS GOING TO STOP AND ASK FOR AN I.D. HAVE WE DONE A TIME CHECK? >> NO. THAT'S PART OF WHAT I SAID IT WOULD BE ADDING DELAY AND ADDITIONAL TIME. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SO ASSUMING THERE'S 50 PEOPLE, AND IT TAKES 30 SECONDS A PERSON. I CAN DO THAT MATH. THAT'S ALARMING TO ME. THAT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TENABLE TO ME. I ALSO WANT TO VERIFY THAT THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL MONEY IN THIS BILL FOR SECURITY AT THIS POINT. IS THAT STILL TRUE? >> MADAM CHAIR -- COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IS THERE ANY MONEY IN THE BILL TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SECURITY MEASURES? WHICH IS WHAT WE KEEP HEARING IS AN ISSUE. IS THERE ANY MONEY TO PROVIDE SECURITY. >> I BELIEVE IT'S $250,000 FOR IMPLEMENTATION. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THAT SAYS IT'S FOR THE BOX. >> AT THIS POINT THERE'S NOT MONEY IN THIS BILL. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: NO INCREASED SECURITY, MAR -- MAJOR DELAYS IN THE ART LINE. I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY. I APPRECIATE WE'VE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND MAKING SURE FOLKS CAN RIDE FOR FREE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, IF I'M A STUDENT AND I'M 12 YEARS OLD, CAN RIDE FOR FREE? >> CORRECT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IF I'M AN ADULT WITH A DRIVER'S LICENSE I CAN DRIVE FOR FREE? >> CORRECT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I'M A SENIOR, 61 YEARS OLD, CAN I DRIVE FOR FREE? >> IF YOU FOLLOW THE PROVISIONS, YOU HAVE AN I.D. OR YOU HAVE A PASS? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I'M A COLLEGE STUDENT CAN I RIDE FOR FREE? >> CORRECT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IF I'M A TOURIST FROM OUT OF STATE, CAN I RIDE FOR FREE? >> CORRECT. >> >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IF I'M A PARATRANSIT USER AND I DO WHATEVER HOOPS I HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH, CAN I RIDE FOR FREE? >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS WITH THE SUN VAN YOU HAVE SOME IDENTIFICATION. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IF I'M A HOMELESS PERSON WITHOUT A DRIVER'S LICENSE CAN I RIDE FOR FREE? >> NOT UNLESS YOU HAVE A PASS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: OKAY. HOW WOULD I GET A PASS IF I DON'T HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE? >>COUN. LEWIS: THE QUESTION IS CAN I RIDE FOR FREE, THE ANSWER IS YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: HOW WOULD I GO ABOUT GETTING A PASS IF I DON'T HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE? >> THE INTENT IS IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PASS YOU APPLY FOR A PASS BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CELL PHONE YOU GET TO WHERE THERE'S A COMPUTER. IF YOU'RE AN UNHOUSED PERSON, THAT PERSON COULD GO TO AN ESSENTIAL SERVICE AGENCY AND THEY GO TO TRANSIT MARKETING DEPARTMENT THE INTENT WAS ANY FACILITY OR COMMUNITY CENTER OR LIBRARIES WHERE A PERSON CAN GET TO A PUBLIC COMPUTER OR AGENCY THAT PROVIDE ASSISTANCE THEY CAN FILL OUT THE PASS. IT REQUIRES THEIR NAME, AGE, AND A LOCATION TO REACH THEM. NOT AN ADDRESS. THEY CAN SAY REACH ME AT THIS SOCIAL SERVICE CENTER. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IF THEY DON'T HAVE AN ADDRESS THEY CANNOT GET A PASS? >> NO, THEY COULD INSTEAD USE A LOCATION TO CONTACT. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY DON'T HAVE AN ADDRESS, THEY CAN USE A RELATIVE OR SOCIAL SERVICE AGENCY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IF I'M AN UNDOCUMENTED PERSON IN ALBUQUERQUE CAN I RIDE FOR FREE? >> YOU HAVE TO COME AND SAY THIS IS MY NAME, AGE, AND THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN CONTACT ME. AS TO -- THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THEY MAY REQUIRE PROOF OF YOUR AGE, BUT AT THIS POINT WE'RE NOT. WE'RE JUST GETTING A WAY TO REACH. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT CAN JUST JUMP ON THE BUS IF THEY HAVE AN I.D. OR COLLEGE OR I.D. IT'S SIMPLE. AND THAT'S GREAT. FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT QUALIFY FOR THAT. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE THOSE. AND WE HAVE SET UP A SYSTEM WHERE THEY HAVE TO GET A LIBRARY CARD AND GO TO A LIBRARY AND GET ON A COMPUTER AND FILL OUT FORMS AND THEN MAYBE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO LIE AND SAY THERE'S A PLACE WE CAN CONTACT THEM THEY CAN GET A PASS. IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN THEY CAN'T GET A PASS. I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE MAKING IT THE HARDEST FOR THE MOST DISADVANTAGED PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY TO USE THE SYSTEM. IT REALLY SHOULD BE THE REVERSE. PEOPLE WHO HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE LIKE ME, IT'S NOT LIFE OR DEATH FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO GET TO MY JOB PAUSE I HAVE A CAR. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO DON'T, AND PUTTING UP THE BARRIERS JUST STRIKES ME AS NOT WHAT WE MEANT TO DO WITH THIS BILL. I KNOW WE HAD SOME FURTHER DISCUSSIONS THAT HAD BEEN PLANNED AND I WAS HOPING WE COULD ALL MEET TOGETHER. I KNOW A COUPLE OF US COULDN'T MAKE IT YESTERDAY. I REALLY DO FEEL THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY COME TO SOME AGREEMENT ON. GET SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR SECURITY WHICH IS THE PREMISE OF THIS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. FIGURE OUT THE LOGISTICS WITH ART WHICH MAKES ME NERVOUS. I DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE ART BUS WHEN I HAVE TO WAIT FOR 20 MINUTES TO GET I.D. CHECKED, AND COME UP WITH A SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE OUR DISADVANTAGED NEIGHBORS OF GOING THROUGH THE SILLY NEIGHBORS OF GETTING A PASS WHEN THE REST OF US CAN JUMP ON THE BUS. FOR THAT I APPRECIATE A DEFERRAL AND MORE CONVERSATION TO FIND AN ANSWER. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR LEWIS AND WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THE LINE. >>COUN. LEWIS: I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS TO GET TO THE HEART OF WHERE WE MIGHT WANT TO AMEND. IT BECOMES CLEAR WHAT WE DISAGREE WITH. THAT'S FINE. THAT'S WHY WE TAKE A VOTE. I THINK THE ANSWER TO EVERY QUESTION IS A YES. THE QUESTION WAS CAN THIS PERSON RIDE FOR FREE. WAS THERE ANY OF THOSE WHERE THE ANSWER WAS NO? CAN THEY RIDE FOR FREE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, EVERYONE CAN RIDE FOR FREE IF THEY HAVE THE I.D. OR THE PASS. IF SOMEBODY WAKES UP IN THE MORNING AND DON'T HAVE THE I.D., THEY WOULD HAVE TO SOMEHOW GET TO A LOCATION AND GET A PASS. LIKE YOU SAID A LIBRARY OR COMMUNITY CENTER. OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOR THAT ONE TIME GET THEIR NEW PASS OR FIND A DOLLAR. BESIDES THAT, IF MY -- IF I DIDN'T HAVE MY WALLET, I WOULD HAVE TO FIND A DOLLAR. WHAT IT IS IS EVERYBODY IS ABLE TO RIDE FOR FREE, BUT SO WE HAVE SOME IDENTIFICATION THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOR IDENTIFICATION WITH THEM. AND WE'RE IN A SYSTEM THAT'S VERY COMPREHENSIVE AS POSSIBLE. >>COUN. LEWIS: THERE'S NOT ANYBODY OR CATEGORY OF PEOPLE THAT CANNOT RIDE FOR FREE? >> NO. >>COUN. LEWIS: EVERYBODY CAN RIDE FOR FREE. AND THEN THE QUESTION ABOUT THE MONEY IN THIS BILL, IF WE NEED MORE, I'LL PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TONIGHT OR ANYBODY CAN -- I WELCOME AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD ADD MONEY FOR SAFETY ISSUES TOO. I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN EASY AMENDMENT WE CAN DO. >>COUN. DAVIS: I THINK THE OTHER BILL HAS A MILLION DOLLARS IF WE GET TO TAT BILL. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE CAN AMEND THIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: NEXT WE HAVE COUNCILOR PEÑA AND COUNCILOR BENTON AND COUNCILOR BASSAN AND COUNCILOR JONES. AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE ANOTHER COUPLE OF THINGS AND A WHOLE ANOTHER TRANSIT TONIGHT. WE WANT TO KEEP THIS GOING TO BE SURE WE'RE PRODUCTIVE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I THINK THERE'S TWO ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING HERE. I THINK WHEN WE TALKED EARLIER AND DEFERRED THE BILL THAT I HAD EARLIER, IT WAS REALLY THAT BILL WAS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE SECURITY. BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED FROM APD AND FROM TRANSIT THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WITH SECURITY ON THE BUS. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE WITH THAT. HOW WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH IT, WE'RE NOT SURE. COUNCILOR LEWIS PROPOSED SOMETHING AND HE ACTUALLY MELDED THE BILL I'VE BEEN DEFERRING INTO HIS BILL AND WORKING WITH HIM HE'S REALLY TRIED TO MAKE SURE WE MAINTAINED THE FREE FARE SYSTEM. SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS WE RECEIVED AND HOW OTHER PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH THIS IS THROUGH HAVING SOME TYPE OF PASS SYSTEM TO NOT TRACK ANYONE BUT IF AN INCIDENT HAPPENS YOU CAN GO BACK AND FIND PEOPLE AND TRY TO SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY ISSUE. BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY SERIOUS INCIDENTS HAPPEN ON THE BUS. EVERY HERE WANTS TO KEEP FREE FARES. BUT, WE CAN'T IGNORE -- AND THAT'S WHAT I TOLD COUNCILOR LEWIS, WE CAN'T IGNORE THE FACT THAT THERE'S SECURITY ISSUES. THAT'S A REALITY. RIDING THE BUS AND HEARING CONSTITUENTS. WE HEAR FROM SOME VOICES BUT WE DON'T HEAR FROM LOTS OF VOICES WHETHER IT'S IN THE COMMUNITY OR IF THEY'RE RIDING THE BUS OR SOME OF THE EMAILS. FORMER EMPLOYEES ARE SAYING THE BUSES ARE PLAGUED WITH CRIME. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. I THINK WE MET WITH SOMEONE EARLY ON THAT SAID DOING NOTHING ISN'T THE ANSWER EITHER. AS A CITY, I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT TO ADDRESS BOTH ISSUES. FREE FARES DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE ISSUE. IT SEEMS TO BE THE IDEA WE NEED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE SAFETY ISSUES ON THE BUS. I'VE SAID THIS SINCE THE BEGINNING, FOR ME SAFETY ON THE BUS ISN'T JUST ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE CREATING -- IT'S ABOUT MAINTAINING THE BUS STOPS. AND MAINTAINING BUS AREAS AND MAKING SURE PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE. SOME PEOPLE ON THE TOUR SAID LOOK AT THESE BUS STOPS AND HOW POORLY THEY'RE MAINTAINED. THAT'S A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. I AGREE. THE REASON I THINK BASED ON THAT IS WE HAVE THREE SETS OF PEOPLE NOW TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK. I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH A GOOD BILL THAT DOES ADDRESS SAFETY. IF THAT TURNS OUT TO SOME KIND OF PAS SYSTEM THENWEAR GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT. IF IT DOESN'T AND THERE'S BETTER MEANS WAYS TO ADDRESS IT BY DOING THIS STUDY OR PLAN ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY ISN'T THE ANSWER. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME AND WE HAVE SOME SERIOUS ISSUES. I CAN READ SOME OF THE EMAILS AND THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER FOR ME. I HAVE A BUS DRIVER THAT SAYS I'M RETIRED FROM TRANSIT A TOTAL OF 17 CAREERS AND HE -- YEARS HE SAID I SAW YOU ON THE NEWS REGARDING THE ISSUES AND DURING THE PAST FEW MONTHS HE SAID IT'S PLAGUING MORALE, AND THE SYSTEM, AND MANY OF THE DRIVERS ARE FRIENDS OF MINE AND HAVE RETIRED AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FACT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH -- COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN IS SAYING IF WE'RE GOING TO DO AUDITS OR CHECKS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN AND THE FACT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DRIVERS ISN'T A REASON NOT TO DO IT EITHER. WE NEED FOCUS ON HIRING PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. AGAIN, NOT DOING ANYTHING IN RELATION TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES IS NOT GOOD FOR THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE. WITH THAT, HOPING WE CAN COME TOGETHER AND PUT ALL OF THE THREE OR FOUR IDEAS TOGETHER, I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER A DEFERRAL. BUT I AM SUPPORTING COUNCILOR LEWIS'S EFFORTS SO IF HE DOESN'T WANT TO DEFER THIS EVENING I WILL VOTE ON THE BILL. I THINK THE BETTER SOLUTION IS FOR US TO GET TOGETHER. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR PEÑA. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I THINK WE'RE AT THE END OF THIS AND MAKE A VOTE AND SEE WHERE WE GO. COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR JONES, AND OTHER COUNCILORS WHO HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN. >>COUN. BENTON: I WANT TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION OF THE SPONSORS ON THIS SPECIFIC BILL. TO ME, AND AS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL SUPPORTERS OF ART, I ADMIT, I SUPPORT IT. ONE OF THE ORIGINAL SUPPORTERS OF ART, ONE OF THE BIG POINTS OF THAT WAS YOU GET ON, NOBODY IS CHECKING ANYTHING BUT THERE'S SECURITY ON IT. RANDOM SECURITY CHECK THAT CHECKS TO SEE WHETHER YOU PAID YOUR FARE. OR IN THIS CASE WHETHER YOU HAVE I. D. THAT'S A VERY SIMPLE SYSTEM THAT WAS PART OF THE WHOLE SALES POINT OF ART AND KEEPING QUICK SCHEDULES AND NOT HAVING ANYTHING LIKE WHAT WE'RE TALKING WITH SOME BUS DRIVERS. BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY SECURITY APPARATUS AND I THINK WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT MONEY BUT WE NEED TO ALSO TALK ABOUT STAFFING. MONEY CAN EVENTUALLY SOLVE STAFFING. IT'S EASIER SAID THAN DONE. WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS AT THE TRANSIT DISTRICT ABOUT DOING A MORE ROBUST SYSTEM THAT CAN HAVE A SWORN SECURITY FORCE. SWORN OFFICER SECURITY FORCE THROUGH THE REGIONAL TRANSIT DISTRICT WHICH HAS THAT AUTHORITY. THERE ARE LOT OF THINGS WE CAN DO. I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'VE KIND OF -- EVERYBODY HAS GOOD INTENTIONS BUT WE'RE CREATING A FRANKENSTEIN. I WAS A SPONSOR OF THE ZERO FARES. THAT'S A SIMPLE SYSTEM. AND SOLUTIONS AND ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION FEELS LIKE IT'S NOT -- I WOULD SUPPORT GOING TO A VOTE TONIGHT AND SEEING WHERE WE NEED TO GO FROM THERE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE SOLVING IT HERE TONIGHT. >>COUN. JONES: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BENTON. I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING IS JUST SPINNING AROUND AND NOT ACCOMPLISHING ANYTHING BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE DON'T RUN THE BUSES. WE DON'T DRIVE THE BUSES. WE DON'T DEAL WITH THE CUSTOMERS. WE DON'T DEAL WITH THE COLLECTIONS. WE DON'T DEAL WITH THE CRIME ON THE BUSES. WE'RE LEGISLATIVE. AND I THINK UNTIL WE ARE COMFORTABLE ENOUGH SITTING DOWN WITH THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THE BUS SYSTEM, SOME OF THE BUS DRIVERS AND A FEW PEOPLE WHO RIDE THE BUSES, AND LET'S COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS INSTEAD OF JUST TRYING TO STRUCTURE SOMETHING OURSELF. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING BIG LIKE THIS, AND IT WILL COST SOME MONEY, AND WE SHOULD SPEND SOME MONEY BECAUSE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IS A MAJOR PART OF ANY VIABLE CITY, BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE A GOOD PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT GOOD AND ONE OF THE BEST AND GROW OUR CITY WE NEED TO DO IT CORRECTLY. LET'S STOP TRYING TO PUT LITTLE BAND-AIDS ON SOMETHING WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEM IS AND LET'S GET TOGETHER WITH THE TRANSIT PEOPLE ADMINISTRATION. LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND DRIVERS. AND LET'S COME UP WITH A TRUE -- LET'S FORM A COMMITTEE, FORM A GROUP, WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO DO HOWEVER WE CHOOSE TO TO DO IT. LET'S GET THE FACTS AND IDEAS OF SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO WORK WITH THIS AND LET'S DO IT CORRECTLY AND DO IT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. LET ME SAY, WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR BASSAN AND BACK TO COUNCILOR LEWIS TO CLOSE. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I AGREE. I BELIEVE THIS IS WELL-INTENTIONED. IT'S A VEHICLE AND A VESZAL TO WORK ON THIS ISSUE OF SECURITY. I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS. I DON'T THINK IT'S AS COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND OTHER QUESTIONS DEMONSTRATED, I DON'T THINK THE PROPOSAL IS GOING TO WORK EFFECTIVELY. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU FLASH AN I.D. UNLESS YOU CREATE A REGISTRAR, HOW DO WE KNOW WHO PEOPLE ARE AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE? I THINK WE SHOULD DECIDE WHAT TO DO ABOUT THIS BILL. I MIGHT BE WRONG. THIS MIGHT BE THE NEW PROGRAM. IN WHICH CASE WE HAVE THE DIRECTION TO POINT TO. LET'S GO TO COUNCILOR BASSAN FOR HER FINAL QUESTION AND COUNCILOR GROUT AND WE'LL GO BACK TO COUNCILOR LEWIS TO CLOSE ON THIS AND TRY TO GET TO A VOTE AND WE'LL GO TO OUR NEXT ITEM. >>COUN. BASSAN: COUNCILOR BENTON MADE A COUPLE COMMENTS THAT REZ REZ -- RESONATED WITH ME. YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO APPRECIATE THE SPONSORS TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS? WHAT ARE WE ASKING? HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO COME UP WITH AN ANSWER IF WE DON'T KNOW THE QUESTION? I DON'T KNOW THE QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE SAYING IT'S GREAT WE'RE GOING TO -- IS IT SAFETY? IS IT MORE MONEY? IS IT MORE ACCESSIBILITY? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE QUESTIONS ARE AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. THE OTHER THING YOU SAID COUNCILOR BENTON, YOU SAID MONEY CAN HELP SOLVE STAFFING EVENTUALLY. AND I AGREE WITH SOME OF THE SENTIMENT, AND COUNCILOR LEWIS SAID SO TOO, MONEY IS SHOCKING LAY NOT THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW. WE NEED STAFFING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET STAFFING IF THE DRIVERS DON'T FEEL SAFE. TO ME, MY QUESTION, COUNCILOR LEWIS, IF IT'S NOT FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY WHY BRING BACK FARES AND PASSES? WHAT IS THE GOAL? >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR LEWIS WITH THE RESPONSE. >>COUN. LEWIS: I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT IN THE BILL WE RELATE THAT THERE ARE ASPECTS OF THE CURRENT PROGRAM THAT CREATED THE ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW. SO, WHAT THIS BILL DOES, AND BY THE WAY I THINK THE BILL IS VERY CLEAR. WE'VE BEEN READING THIS FOR MONTHS NOW. WE'VE HAD OPPORTUNITIES TO ASK QUESTIONS. THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED, AND I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS ASKED. I THINK THAT'S PART OF THIS IS ASKING THE QUESTIONS AND ADDRESSING THE QUESTION. WE'VE HAD LOT OF MEETINGS WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT HAD A LOT OF TIME TO THINK THIS THROUGH AND GIVE FEEDBACK AND COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS AND FEEDBACK HOUN TO IMPLEMENT THIS. BY THE WAY, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE ON THE BUSES TOO. PEOPLE THAT RIDE THE BUSES EVERY DAY AND GOT THEIR FEEDBACK. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WE TALK TO THAT RIDE THE BUSES DID SAY THEY FELT LIKE THE CURRENT PROGRAM WAS DIRECTLY RELATE TODAY THEIR FEELING OF FEELING SAFE ON THE BUS. THAT CERTAINLY WAS DIRECT FEEDBACK. I CAN TELL YOU WE TALKED TO BUS DRIVERS AS WELL. THOSE BUS DRIVERS EXPRESSED THEY FELT LIKE THE CHANGES THAT HAPPEN WHEN THIS PROGRAM TOOK PLACE HAVE LED TO THE CONDITION THAT THOSE BUSES RAIN -- ARE IN RIGHT NOW. AND THE SECURITY ON THE BUSES AND THEIR FEELING ABOUT HOW GOOD THEY FEEL ABOUT THE JOB OR NOT. THESE ARE HONEST SOLUTIONS THAT WE PUT ON PAPER. AND TAKEN A LOT OF TIME TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. I THINK WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I THINK THAT'S FALSE TO SAY WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE ANY EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WE PUT IT IN THE BILL ASK DONE -- AND DONE THAT. I WOULD ADDRESS IF THERE'S AMENDMENTS TONIGHT. I THINK WHAT THIS DISCUSSION HAS DONE IS SHOWN THAT COUNCILORS HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON IT. I THINK THERE'S A MAJORITY THAT AGREES WITH THE PASS SYSTEM. MAYBE THERE'S A MAJORITY THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH IT. THE WHOLE REASON THE OTHER SPONTERS CREATED THE OTHER BILL IS BECAUSE THEY DISAGREED WITH THE PASS SYSTEM. AGAIN, THAT WAS DISCUSSED TONIGHT. I THINK THAT'S VERY CLEAR TOO. AGAIN, I THINK THAT THE IDEA OF DEFERRING AND COMING TOGETHER WITH THE OTHER SPONSORS, CERTAINLY, I'M WILLING TO DO THAT. AND WE'LL PROBABLY DO THAT. MAKE A DECISION TO DEFER IT. AGAIN, I ASKED THE QUESTION, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO CREATE A BILL THAT CREATES A PASS SYSTEM? I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE RESULT OF THAT MEETING. AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THESE MEETING AND EVEN IF WE HAVE TO TENGSD THE MEETING TO GET THROUGH THE AGENDA, WE SHOULDN'T BE RUSHING THESE THINGS. AT SOME POINT WE CAN MAKE A DECISION AND COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS. AGAIN, IF IT'S DISAGREEING WITH THE BILL IT'S NOT A GOOD TRENE DEFER. IF IT'S WAITING ON A STUDY, BECAUSE THE FEDS REQUIRE IT. LET'S DO THAT. I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS PENDING TONIGHT THAT COULDN'T BE AMENDED INTO THE BILL OR COULDN'T BE SUGGESTED. THAT'S WHERE I'M ON IT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. ON THE SUN VAN RIDERSHIP, DO WE HAVE ISSUES -- SECURITY ISSUES ON THE RIDES? >>COUN. PEÑA: I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFICS. I WOULD SAY [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. GROUT: ALL THE PEOPLE ARE RIDING THE SUN VAN WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE, CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>COUN. GROUT: I'M CURIOUS, I WOULD TLIEK WHEN WE KNOW WHO IS RIDING THE BUS, IF THEY'RE BETTER BEHAVED BECAUSE WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE. IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT. DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A LIBRARY CARD TO CHECK OUT A LIBRARY BOOK? >>COUN. DAVIS: MR. RAEL. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT YES. YOU GET THE LIBRARY CARD AT THE TIME YOU WALK INTO THE LIBRARY. >>COUN. GROUT: IN ORDER TO GET MEDICARE SERVICES, DOES THE INDIVIDUAL HAVE TO HAVE AN I.D.? >> MR. PRESIDENT, I MAY NOT BE COMPLETE EXPERT ON THIS, I THINK FOR MOST GOVERNMENTAL SERVICES YOU NEED TO HAVE AN I. D. >>COUN. GROUT: OUR NON-PROFIT PROVIDERS, ARE THEY HELPING THE FOLKS WITH THEIR I.D.? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, FOR MOST OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD RELATED TO SERVICES FOR THE HOMELESS, THAT IS PART OF THE SERVICES THAT WE ARE PROVIDING AS PART OF THE WRAP AROUND. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF I CAN INTERRUPT, I THINK THAT IMMIGRANT FRIENDLY ORDINANCE THAT WE DRAFTED PROHIBITED THE CITY FOR REQUIRING I.D. FOR RECEIPT OF SERVICES. I THINK WE'RE PROHIBITED FOR REQUIRING AN I.D. EXCEPT FOR FEDERAL PROGRAMS THAT REQUIRE FEDERAL LAW. >> I THINK IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO HEAR. I THINK THE QUESTION IS ARE WE HELPING PEOPLE GET THE I.D.? THAT IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. >>COUN. GROUT: I FOUND IT VERY INTERESTING WHEN THERE WAS A FAMILY THAT NEEDED A THANKSGIVING MEAL. SO ROADRUNNER FOOD BAFNG -- BANK WAS ACROSS THE STREET AND I WENT OVER THERE AND I THOUGHT THEY HAD BEEN DOING IT A COUPLE YEARS. SO RIGHT BEFORE THANKSGIVING I WENT TO GET A FOOD BOX WHERE THIS FAMILY. I WAS VERY CURIOUS HOW IT ALL WORKED. THEY PUT UP SIGNS AND IT'S QUITE INTERESTING. I GOT THERE AND THEY SAID WHAT'S YOUR NAME AND I SAID I'M GETTING A BOX FOR A FAMILY. AND THEY SAID DO YOU HAVE AN I.D. FOR IT. I SAID NO. AND THIS IS ROADRUNNER FOOD BANK AND THEY SAID YOU NEED AN I. D. THEY SAID YOU CAN STILL GET ONE, AND I WAS ABLE TO GET A FOOD BOX. SO THEY DID NOT DENY ME, BUT THEY SAID YOU GET AN I.D. SO YOU CAN GET YOUR -- I DON'T KNOW HOW IT TOTALLY WORKS. I FOUND THAT INTERESTING THAT EVERYBODY HAD TO HAVE AN I. D. I WAS CURIOUS. I KNOW I NEED AN I.D. TO GET AN AN AIRPLANE. I THINK THEY HAVE INFORMATION WHEN YOU GET ON AN UBER. WORKING WITH THE PRT TEAM, I'VE BEEN REALLY FOCUSED WITH THEM AND THEY HAVE TOLD ME THAT HAVING AND KNOWING MORE ACCOUNTABILITY WHO IS GETTING ON AND OFF THE BUS WILL HELP THEM DO THEIR JOB BETTER TOO. I THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF SERVICES OUT THERE THAT HELP US GET I.D.s, I KNOW PEOPLE LOSE I.D.s, BUT YOU CAN GET ANOTHER I. D. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. COUNCILOR LEWIS, SEEING NOR OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT FROM YOU FOR THE VOTE. THE MOTION IS A DUE PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT. AGAIN, I'M OPEN TO MEET WITH YOU GUYS. ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD LIKE TO -- I'M EITHER GOING TO WITHDRAW THIS OR VOTE ON IT. IF IT COMBINES WITH THE OTHER BILL MY FEELING IS THAT IT BOILS DOWN TO THE PASS ISSUE. WE'LL DEFER IT, TWO-WEEK DEFERRAL. >>COUN. DAVIS: THERE'S A MOTION FOR A TWO-WEEK DEFERRAL. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DEFERRAL. HAVING DISCUSSED IT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF A DEFERRAL RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED? 7-2. THE MOTION FOR DEFERRAL PASSES. WE'LL SEE THIS AGAIN IN TWO WEEKS. TRANSIT FANS, WE HAVE MORE TRANSIT COMING. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. NEXT UP IS O-58. UNIVERSAL HYDROGEN PURSUANT TO THE LOCAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACT. SUPPORT THE RENOVATION AND CONSTRUCTION OF MANUFACTURING FACILITY FOR THE PURPOSE OF ASSEMBLING AND MANUFACTURING HYDROGEN FUEL CELLS. I MOVE A DUE PASS. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. WELCOME, GOOD TO SEE YOU. BEFORE WE DO. I THINK COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN HAS AN AMENDMENT FOR THE BILL. I'D TLIEK GET AMENDMENTS ONE OF THE WAY FIRST SO WE HAVE A BILL EVERYONE CAN TALK ABOUT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THIS IS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. ON PAGE FOUR LINE ONE INSERT THE WORDS UTILIZE ZERO CARBON HYDROGEN NOT SOURCES FROM FOSSIL FUELS. THE REASON FOR THIS AMENDMENT IS I HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECT. I DID MEET WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. THE STATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND AVIATION DEPARTMENT AND UNIVERSAL HYDROGEN AND I WAS PLEASED TO HEAR THEY'RE GOING TO BE UTILIZING GREEN HYDROGEN. I JUST THOUGHT THIS WAS AN APPROPRIATE AMENDMENT TO CLARIFY WHAT THE ACTUAL BUSINESS MODEL OF THE UNIVERSAL HYDROGEN IS. I WILL MOVE A DUE PS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES. I N'T SEE MR. GRUNER HERE. IF SOMEONE REMIND HIM WE'RE FINALLY ON HISBILL. WE'RE GOING TO NEED HIM. MOTION IS F AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCILOR LEWIS IS EXCED. THANK YOU. >> TNK YOU, COUNCIL PRESINT FOR KRIRING OUR PROJECT. THIS PJECT IS FOR SATE OF THE MATTER MANUFACTURER. UNIVERSAL HYDROGEN IS PSYCHOSEEKING THE STATEROPOSES TO PROVID$2 MILLION. THE CITY OF ALBUERQUE WILL SERVE AS SCAL AGE FOR THE STAT LEDA FUNDS FOR T ACQUISITION A CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILI. THE COMPA ALSO PLANS T APPLY FOR CIT ISSED INVESTOR REVENUE BONDS AS PART OF THE PROJECT TH ANSACTION WIL NOT BE CONSIDERED TODAY. UNIVERSAL HYDROGE WAS FOUED IN EARLY 2020 BYORLD CLASS AVIAION LEADERS WITH T GAL OF DECARNIZING AVIATION. ACCOMPLI THI T COMPANY IS BUIING END TO END SOLUTIONS WHICH INCLUDE MODULAR CAPSUS AND FUEL CELLS BED POWER TRAIN FOR EXISTNG AIRCFT. ARTINGITH TURBO AIRAFT. IT PROVIDES FUELLING T DELER DROGEN TO THE NW AIRCFT. THEUELLING NETWORK I BAS ON FUELLING TANKS AT THE SOUCE OF PRODUCTI AND DELIVER TO AIRPTS THROUGH T NETWORK THE FACITIES WL B LOCATED ON A -ACRE PARCE IN THE CITY'S AVIATION CENTER OF EXCELLENCE. MANUFACTURINGS AN ALLABLE E FOR THE CITY'S INT GRADE DELOPMENTORDINANCE. ATHEIME OF THE APPCAON EY HAD NOXIST EMPLOYEES LOCALLY BUTMOYEED 88T VARIOUS LOCATIONS. THEY INND TO CREATE500 N JOBSITHN AVAGE SALARYF $70,000. TH MAJORITY WIL BE FILL BY BUQUERQUE RESIDES. THE BS ARE IN MANUFACRING ANDTHER EA. DIONALLY THEONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS EXPECTEDO CREAT A GNICANT NUMBER O NSTRUCTION JOBS SOUED FROM LOCAL LABOR POOLS. E ANALYSI INCLUES FIAL PA ANALYSIS PROVID BY THE SATE OF NEW XICO'S ECONOMIC DELOPMNTDEPARTNT. IT SWS THE COMPAN WIL BE MANG A CONTRIBTI TO THE COMMITYVERALL THE CY WILL RECEE APPROXIMATELY $8.7 M LLN I NET BITS AND GENERAT$3NIL KRN -- MIION. TH PROJECT I ANCIATE TODAY HAVE A TAL IMPACT OF O $700 MILLION. IT'S A ALIFIEDROCT AS DEFIED BYHESTELOCAL DELOENT ACT AND ENABLIN LESLION. IT COLIES WITH CIT PLAND POLICIESND M THECONOC DELOPMENT PRIORITI. BAEDNHE FINDINGSE RECOE THEPPROL O THE PROJECT PLA JT WANT T TAKE TIMEO ANK CNCL FORRINGUS AND FORHE COMPANY A MAJOR VESTMENT IN THECOUNITY. WANT TO TANKHE PTNE I THE AREA AND I THETAOR THE HP OFAKG THIS BOME A REALY. HAVE MAX WH THE STA AND GRANT WH ARE AND JHN WH THE CPANY HERE. AVLABLE FOR QUESONS. DOHAVE CHRI AVAAB BY OM I TRE ANYQUESTIONS ON LEGAR CHNICAL. >>COUN. VI THA OU. E ARECIATEIT. LET ME SEE IHERE'S AY OTHER QUESTIONSR THE ADMISTRATION HA AN QUESONR COENT. SEEIN NOE. DOE ANY PLIC SPKE? WE HA ONEUBLIC SPEAKER. WE HE XAVIER. >>HELLO, COUNCESIDENT COCIORS, THREE ESTIONS. THIS IUE -- ION SEE IT STED IN THE PERWORK. 'S A AITION TO REWAE. WH DS THESPIRATION BEC A RLITY IS E TIMELI? WHAT KDF ENVIRONMENT SUTAE HAS BEEN DONE RERDING POTENTI ENRONMENTAL IMPACTS? A THREE, HASHEREE PROOF OF NO HARM? KNOWYDGEN IS NEW INNOATN OFNERGYE TBE OVEN. IN MANY RESPECTS I'S STILL THEORY. SO,T HAS NOTETEEN IED. THERE ARE L O MAJORONCERNS FROM MMUNIES. AND FOUR, WH ALL OF TT WHAT KIND OF ENGAGEMEN HAS BENITH E LOCAL COMMUNITY AROUND GIBSON IN T DEVELOPMENT OF ALL OF THIS. >>COUNDAS: THANK YO, SIR ARE THERE OTHER SPKERS? >> TT CONCLUDE PUBLIC SPEAKERS. >>COUNDAS: I KNOW WE HAVE MR. GORDON FROM UNIVERS HYDROGEN. BUT FROMHE ADMINIRATI, ANYTHING RTHER? >> . ESIDT, COUNCILORS TH PROJECTAS BEE LED BY TE STATE O N MEXO AND THE WAY THIS PROSAL FUNDING IS STRUCTURED IS HATHE STATE INSTMENT ISHE FRST IN LINE, IF YOU WILL. THE IESTMENT FRO THE CTY IS THE END OF THE PROJECT. AS THE PROJECT MOVESORWARD THAT'S WHEN T STATE OR THE CITY PLANNING WOULD BE UTILIZED SO WE C ASSURE WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE AS THE PROJECT MOVES FWARD. I THIN IT IS IN LIN WITH WHAT WE HE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT WITH THEACILITYT THE AIRPORT. WHICH IS A PROJECT DECTLY RELATED TO TEVIATION AND THE AVIATION INDUSTRY. AND THINK THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY F USO BE LEADER IN THEOUNTRY ONHIS AREA. AND WITH THAT, I THI THE COMPANY WOULD LE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. >>COUN. VIS: I SUSPT IT WE WAITE UNTIL YOU LEFT UNTIL WE GOT TO YOUR BILL. BRIEFLY, ARE YU STILLITH , MR. GOON? >> I AM HERE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THA YOU FOR STILL BEING WAS. WELCOME. WE'RE WELCOMG YOU TO ALBUUERQUE. I KNOW YOU HAVE A STATEMENT ABOUT THE COMPANY AND PROGRAM. GO EAD, SIR. >> I CAN PUT MY VIDEO ON FOR SOME REASON. THAT'S FIN THERE IT GO. OKAY. WE'VE LEARNED TO USE IT. I'VE LEARNED TO USE ZOOM. I'LL JUST SAY A FEW THINGS. FIRST, TNK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOTODAY. AND THE OPPORTUNITY T MAKE ALBUQUERQUE OUR MANUFACTURING CENTER. WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY TO BUILD MAJOR MAN FACT CHARRING IN THE CITY THAT WILL EMPLOY ENGINEERS AND HIGH PAYING QUALITY JOBS WITH FULL BENEFITS. WE HOPE THAT OUR EMPLOYEES WILL HAVE A POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. I THINK CHRIS DESCRIBED OUR COMPANY VERY WELL. WE ARE AEROSPACE PEOPLE THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR INDUSTRY'S IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WAYS TO DECARBONIZE POINTS HYDROGEN IS THE ONLY WAY TO DECARB NIZE AVIATION. TO RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. HYDROGEN IS QUITE OLD IN AVIATION. IT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE THE 50s. WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW, AND GET TO THE FIRST POINT IS GROWTH PRODUCTION OF RENEWABLE HYDROGEN. AND THE PROBLEM THAT WE SOLVE IS HAVING THAT RENEWABLE HYDROGEN FROM PRODUCTION TO CONSUMPTION. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING IN ALBUQUERQUE. WE'RE BUILDING A VERY ADVANCED MODULAR CONTAINMENT SYSTEM THAT TRANSPORTS THE HYDROGEN. AND THE ENGINEERS IN THE SITE WILL BE WORKING ON A COMPOSITE. IT WILL FACILITATE OUR BUSINESS AND COMPOSITE AND ALL THE OTHER IMPORTANT MANUFACTURING TECHNIQUES. WE HOPE TO BE A REAL CATALYST FOR ENGINEERING IN THE CITY. AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE THIS COME TO OUR AIRPORT. FROMMED ADMINISTRATION CLRZ, . >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF 0-58 AS AMENDED? ANY OPPOSED? THAT MATTERS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. CONGRATULATIONS. NEXT UP, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. WE'RE BACK ON TRANSIT. O-62. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS APPROPRIATING FUNDS TO EXPAND TRANSIT SECURITY MAKING ADJUSTMENT TO THE TRANSIT SYSTEM TO IMPROVE THE SECURITY AND EQUITY AND ADJUSTING THE DEFINITION OF PEACE OFFICER FOR METRO SECURITY AND ADDING DISOBEYS OPERATOR AS DISORDLY CONDUCT. I BELIEVE WE WANT TO DEFER THIS FOR TWO WEEKS. I'M HOPING THAT IS OKAY WITH EVERYONE. I LIKE TO DEFER UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. JANUARY 18. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. THAT'S CORRECT. FOR THE RECORD WE HAVE A COUPLE AMENDMENTS. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO NECESSARILY BRING THEM. THERE'S COUNCILOR BASSAN'S. I THINK I WOULD DEFER TO COUNCILOR BASSAN. I THINK WE'RE WILLING TO LET THE AMENDMENT SIT TODAY ASK BRING THEM BACK IN A WEEK. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT IT THAT'S FINE TO DO IT IF YOU LIKE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, IT'S THE SAME EXACT AMENDMENT THAT WENT TO O-47. JUST BECAUSE IF ONE PASSED AND THE OTHER DIDN'T I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT TO DO IT. IT'S ALL ABOUT PARA-TRANSIT. I'M HAPPY TO MOVE IT OR WAIT. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF THE AMENDMENT SPONSOR DOESN'T MIND, I THINK WE'RE GOT KEEP THE OTHER SPONSORS AMENDMENTS UNTIL THE NEXT TIME. IN CASE THERE ARE ADDITIONAL THAT COME OUT OF ANY FOLLOW UP MEETING. THANK YOU. WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL. FOR DEFERRAL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. ANY OPPOSED? NEXT UP, COUNCILOR PEÑA, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, AND COUNCILOR BASSAN. FEDERAL PRIORITIES. >>COUN. BASSAN: THIS IS ESTABLISHING PRIORITIED FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE FOR FISCAL YEARS 2023 AND 2024. I MOVE A DUE PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES. >>COUN. BASSAN: I WOULD LIKE TO PULL IT UP. THERE IS ALSO A PROPOSED -- THERE'S A COUPLE AMENDMENTS. I KNOW THAT YOU HAD ONE, MR. PRESIDENT. LET ME DOUBLE CHECK WHO ELSE IS DOING IT. IS IT US? WERE THEY BOTH YOU? COUNCILOR DAVIS. MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M LOOKING FOR IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: I APOLOGIZE. I WAS LOOKING AT THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM. WE HAVE -- IF YOU WANT TO MOVE IT. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE WE'RE ALMOST DONE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I'LL MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. THIS IS ATTACHMENT ONE, AND SUBSTITUTED AND ATTACHED TO THIS RESOLUTION. THIS IS BASICALLY AN UPDATE TO THE PRIORITIES THAT INCLUDE THE MAYOR'S CRIME INITIATIVE. ONLY THOSE PARTS OF THAT THAT WERE INCLUDED IN OUR STATE PRIORITY LIST. WITH THAT, MOVE A DUE PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN WITH FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANY OPPOSED? THAT GOES UNANIMOUSLY. SPONSORS, BACK TO YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: I WILL ALSO DEFER TO MY CO-SPONSORS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE REALLY TRIED TAKE ALL THE OTHER COUNCILORS PRIORITIES IN WALKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND THEIR PRIORITIES. WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE TO ESTABLISH THIS AS A FORMAL LIST THAT WE HAVE ALL COME TO AGREEMENT ON. >>COUN. DAVIS: I DON'T SEE ANY PEOPLE SIGNED UP. IS THAT CORRECT? MR. RAEL, ANYTHING FURTHER? CLRZ, ANYTHING ELSE COUNCILORS, ANYTHING ELSE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED? THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT UP, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND COUNCILOR JONES, M-8. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: RECOGNIZING THE IMPACTS OF COVID-19 AND THE SACRIFICES THE ESSENTIAL WORKERS DID FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES AND DECLARE SUPPORT FOR A COVID-19 MEMORIAL TO BE LOCATED ON BERNALILLO COUNTY TOHONOR THE VICTIMS OF COVID-19. MOVE A DUE PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES. DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON THE ITEM? >> WE HAVE A PRESENTATION. WE ALSO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS ON ZOOM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THOSE FIRST? >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M GOING TO DO -- >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IF WE HAVE THE SPEAKERS COME UP AND DO THE FIVE-MINUTE PRESENTATION FIRST. >>COUN. DAVIS: I ASK THE SPONSORS TO INTRODUCE THE SPEAKERS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I THINK WE'RE HAVE TO HEAR FROM JANICE. YOU'LL HEAR A SHORT PRESENTATION TO GET A FEEL WHAT'S BEING PLANNED. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT. COUNCILORS. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? I AM A LICENSED CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER AND EXPERT IN TRAUMA AND HEALING AND NEW MEXICO HUB LEADER OF NORTH SIDE COVID WHICH IS THE LARGEST SURVIVOR LED ADVOCACY GROUP IN THE NATION. I LOST MY FATHER TO COVID. MAY OF 2021. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PAIN IS STILL PRESENT. THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC IS THE DEADALIST EVENT IN U.S. HISTORY. IN NEW MEXICO WE LOST OVER 8,800 PEOPLE. ONE MILLION AMERICANS AND MILLIONS AROUND THE WORLD. COVID-19 IMPACTED THE -- BLACK AND PEOPLE OF COLOR COMMUNITIES AND THOSE LIVING IN POVERTY. THE NEW MEXICO COVID MEMORIAL WOULD SUPPORT THE COMMUNITIES MANY OF WHOM WERE UNABLE TO DO THE -- STRUGGLE WITH COMPLEX GRIEF. THISMEMORIAL ACKNOWLEDGES THE HARM DUE TO THE PANDEMIC. THE SPIRIT OF THE MEMORIAL WILL RESPECT THE CULTURAL DIVERSITY AND NATIVE-AMERICAN TRIBES OF THE STATE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. OUR ORGANIZATION HAS PARTNERED WITH BERNALILLO COUNTY PARKS AND REC AND WONDERFUL LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT THAT DESIGNED A NUMBER OF NEW MEXICO MEMORIALS. THANKS TO THE STATE LAND COMMISSIONER IT'S ON PUBLIC TRUST LAND BY THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY TERRAIN AND OUR BOSQUE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WITH BEAUTIFUL VIEWS WHICH ARE VERY GROUNDING. MANY HAVE SUFFERED GRIEF, IT CAN DISASSOCIATE AND LEAVE YOU FEELING OUTSIDE OF YOUR BODY. THIS MEMORIAL WILL BE VERY GROUNDING FOR THE NEW MEXICANS IN THE BEAUTIFUL LAND. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. IT'S LOCATED IN BERNALILLO COUNTY. MESA DEL SOL SPORTS COMPLEX. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WILL YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE? AND THE NEXT ONE. OKAY PERFECT. THE WALK IS HAVING -- WALLS. JUST TO TAKE A STEP PACK. IT OFFERS A PILGRIMAGE EXPERIENCE. ONE END OF THE MEMORIAL IS REFLECTION FOR PRIVATE GRIEF. AND WALK THROUGH THE PILGRIMAGE WHERE IT'S HAVING SMALL SHELVES FOR OFFERING OR THINGS BROUGHT MY MOURNERS. NEXT SLIDE. YOU CAN SEE THE WALLS. AND THE NEXT SLIDE. AND AT THE END OF THE PILGRIMAGE THE VISITORS WILL SEE THE STONE FENCE WILL HAVE A VIDEO EXPERIENCE THROUGH AUGMENTED REALITY. WE PARTNERED WITH SNAP CHAT AND THEY'RE PROVIDING IT PRO BONO. VISITORS CAN HOLD UP CELL PHONES AND SEE A VORTEX OF THE DEAD SPIRALLING UPWARD. IT ECHOES THE UNIQUE PANDEMIC PHENOMENA OF RITUAL. THOSE GRIEVING COVID LOSS OUR ASSOCIATION WITH OUR CELL PHONES IS FOREVER CHANGED BY THE TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE OF SAYING GOOD-BYE VIA ZOOM OR FACETIME. INCORPORATED AUGMENTED REALITY ALLOWS THOSE WHO ARE ROBBED OF IN-PERSON GOOD-BYES TO HAVE HEALING. COVID-19 FAILED TO ENTER THE NATIONAL CONSCIOUSNESS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE VISUALS THAT CONSTITUTE THE TRAUMA AND EXPERIENCE. THIS MEMORIAL AIMS TO CREATE THAT SHARED VISUAL AND GIVE NAMES AND FACES TO PEOPLE. AND THE NEXT SLIDE. AND THIS WILL BE MY LAST SLIDE. I JUST REALLY WANT TO COMMUNICATE TO YOU ALL THAT IN ORDER TO TRULY MOVE FORWARD IN A HEALTHY WAY, CITIZENS OF NEW MEXICO, WE MUST CREATE SPACE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE THAT ARE LEFT BEHIND. AND THE PAIN FELT BY ONES WHO LOVED THEM. STAND WITH ME AND THE MILLIONS OF COVID BURECEIVED . >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MR. PRESIDENT, I THINK WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT AND I'LL CLOSE. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS SARAH FOLLOWED BY OLIVIA. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I AM A FORMER PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER AND A PARENT TO TWO SMALL CHILDREN. HIGH HUSBAND WAS A FUSITION AT U WE NEED A PERMANENT SPACE THAT MEMORIALALIZES THE LIVES LOST. AS FIRST TIME PARENTS PUM BARDED WITH INFORMATION WE WERE HIT WITH THE PANDEMIC. HIGH I FELT POWERLESS TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE I BROUGHT INTO THE WORLD. I NEVER FELT SO VULNERABLE. THERE WAS NO RIGHT CHOICE. TODAY THERE IS A RIGHT CHOICE. WE OWE IT TO MY CHILDREN AND ALL OTHER CHILDREN OF NEW MEXICO TO MEMORIALIZE THE LIVES LOST. NEW MEXICO HAS THE THIRD HIGHEST RATE OF COVID ORPHANS IN THE COUNTRY. OUR STATE HAS THE FIRST STATE-WIDE COVID MEMORIAL LET'S MAKE NEW MEXICO A LEADER TO REFLECT FROM THIS PANDEMIC EXPERIENCE. PLEASE VOTE YES FOR THE COVID MEMORIAL IN ALBUQUERQUE. THANK YOU. >> OLIVIA FOLLOWED BY ELANOR. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I LOST MY DAUGHTER ON JANUARY 10 OF THIS PAST CAREER. THIS PAST YEAR TO COVID. SHE WAS MY ONLY CHILD. SHE WAS 45 YEARS OLD. I'M HOPING THAT -- IF YOU HAVE LOST SOMEONE TO COVID YOU KNOW THE DEVASTATION THIS CAUSED. THIS SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED TO MY DAUGHTER OR ANYBODY IN NEW MEXICO. UNFORTUNATELY, IT DID. MY DAUGHTER LEFT BEHIND HER TWO YOUNG DAUGHTERS, AGES 11 AND 14. I AM NOW RAISING THEM. IT IS THE MOST DEVASTATING EVENT IN MY LIFE. [ INAUDIBLE ]. TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE LOSS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH IN THEIR LIFE. THIS MEMORIAL WOULD HELP GIVE THEM AND THE REST OF OUR FAMILIES COMFORT BY BEING ABLE TO GO TO THE MEMORIAL KNOWING HER LIFE WAS IMPORTANT AND KNOWING HER DEATH AND THE DEATH OF ALL OTHER NEW MEXICANS THAT DIED DUE TO COVID WILL NOT ME FORGOTTEN. I UNFORTUNATELY WAS NOT ABLE TO BE WITH MY DAUGHTER WHEN SHE PASSED AWAY. I WAS CALLED BY A DOCTOR FROM UNMH AND GRACIOUSLY SHE DID A ZOOM VISIT WITH MY DAUGHTER. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS LIKE TO SAY GOOD-BYE TO YOUR ONLY CHILD -- AND I ASK YOU ALL TO SUPPORT THIS MEMORIAL. AND I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE ANY SUPPORT THAT YOU GIVE TO ANY COVID FAMILY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> ELANOR FOLLOWED BY AMY ON ZOOM. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I AM A MEMBER OF MARKED BY COVID. I LOST MY ONLY SISTER TO COVID OCTOBER 6, 2020. AS AN IMMIGRANT FAMILY FROM THE PHILIPPINES MOST WORLD WAR II, WE HAD HER KNEE REPLACED. I THOUGHT SHE WON'T GO ANYWHERE BUT SHE FELL AND WAS BACK IN THE HOSPITAL. AND SHE WAS INFECTED IN REHAB. THERE WAS NO VACCINE AT THE TIME. WE FEEL OUR GOVERNMENT FAILED US. THESE DEATHS WERE SO UNNECESSARY. YOU'RE ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS AND WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THEM AND SAY THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND BERNALILLO COUNTY SUPPORT THIS. THIS IS THE LARGEST CITY IN OUR STATE. SOME PEOPLE ASKED WHY IS IT GOING TO BE IN ALBUQUERQUE. AND WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE TO BE IN ALBUQUERQUE. WELL, FOR US, WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT TO US, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND [ INAUDIBLE ]. THE ANSWER IS ALWAYS YES. WE PROBABLY WILL BE WORKING WITH THE NATIVE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEIR LOSS IS INCREDIBLE. THE HOLIDAYS HAVE JUST PASSED, THEY WERE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ALL OF US. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL. WE HAVE NO SHARED ENERGY. WE NEED THIS SPACE. AND THIS MEMORIAL WILL BE LINKED TO ALL THE OTHER COVID MEMORIALS IN THE STATE. >> AMY FOLLOWED BY GENIVIVE. >> DPE -R ? >> GOOD EVENING, I LIVE IN DISTRICT SEVEN. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY. I URGE THE COUNCIL TO SUPPORT AGENDA ITEM M-22-8 CONCERNING THE RESOLUTION REGARDING THE COVID-19 MEMORIAL. ON JANUARY 11, 2022 MY DAD CON CONTRACTED COVID DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE OMICRON SURGE HE DIED ONE MONTH LATER ON DECEMBER 22. I WAS THE ONE THAT HAD TO SAY GOOD-BYE VIRTUALLY. WE'VE LOST NEARLY 1.1 MILLION AMERICANS TO COVID-19 AND ARE STILL LOSING OVER 2500 EACH WEEK. ACCORD TO THE NEW MEXICO DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH WE'VE LOST 8,831 NEW MEXICANS. MANY WERE EXPERIENCED ALONE. SO MANY SUFFERING IN HOSPITALS ALONE WITHOUT FRIENDS AND FAMILY PRESENT. ALONE. VERY FEW NEW MEXICANS REMAINED UNTOUCHED BY THESE COVID LOSSES. I FEEL WE SHOULD NOT BE GRIEVING ALONE. THE WORD MEMORIAL COMES FROM RECOUNTING OR CALLING TO MIND. A MEMORIAL HELPS PEOPLE REMEMBER. OFFERS A PLACE FOR GRIEF. SHOWS THE MAGNITUDE OF LOSS AND FOSTERS UNITY. IT'S A PLACE TO GRIEVE AS A COMMUNITY AND AS A FAMILY AND STATE. WE BUILD THIS MEMORIAL TO RECOUNT THE LOVED ONES LOST TO COVID-19 AND CALL TO MIND THOSE LEFT BEHIND. I CAN JOIN OTHERS REMEMBERING OUR LOVED ONES LIKE MY FATHER AND KEEP THE LESSONS OF THEIR LOSS ALIVE. PLEASE VOTE YES FOR THIS RESOLUTION. >> GENEVIVE. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> WE HEAR YOU. >> HELLO, I WISH TO SPEAK ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO OUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS HAVING A PERMANENT COVID-19 MEMORIAL TO VISIT REGULARLY. MY PERSONAL STORY IS I LOST MY HUSBAND WHO WAS 54 YEARS OLD MY HIGH SCHOOL SWEETHEART. TEN MONTHS AGO TO COVID. HE WAS VACCINATED AND HE WAS BOOSTED AND I FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO MENTION THAT WHEN I TELL THE STORY BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE JUDGE OR MAKE IT SEEM LIKE IT WAS HIS FAULT. MY BOYS AND I STILL RELIVE THE LAST DAY WE GOT TO SPEAK TO HIM. AND SAY OUR I LOVE YOU AND GOOD BUYS RIGHT BEFORE HE WAS INTUBATED. HE TOLD OUR SONS HOW PROUD HE WAS OF THEM AND WHAT GREAT YOUNG MEN THEY ARE. HE TOLD HIS PARENTS AND BROTHER HOW MUCH HE LOVED THEM AND HE TOLD ME HE WAS SO HAPPY HE MARIED HE. AFTER HE WAS INTUBATED WE WERE ONLY ALLOWED TO TALK TO HIM ON AN iPAD VIDEO AND WERE NEVER ALLOWED TO BE BY HIS SIDE. WHAT HAUNTS ME THE MOST WAS HOW SCORED AND LONELY HE WAS TO NOT HAVE HIS FAMILY BY HIS SIDE TO ASSURE HIM. A MEMORIAL WOULD HELP CONNECT WITH OTHER FAMILIES THAT UNDERSTAND OUR PAIN AND WHAT WE WENT THROUGH. IT WOULD BE A SPECIAL PLACE TO SEE OUR LOVED ONES PICTURES REMAIN AND REMEMBER THEM. WE WOULD LOVE A PERMANENT MEMORIAL TO REMEMBER OUR BELOVED AND RECOGNIZE THIS IS REAL AND THIS IS OUR REALITY. PLEASE VOTE TO SUPPORT A PERMANENT COVID-19 MEMORIAL TO HELP MY BOYS AND I HAVE A PLACE TO TRY AND HEAL. THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENTS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. LET'S GO BRIEFLY TO THE OTHER SPONSOR COUNCILOR JONES, AND THEN TO COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN TO CLOSE. >>COUN. JONES: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT CAN BE ADDED TO THAT. WE'VE ALL BEEN TOUCHED BY COVID. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WILL BE MORE OF US TOUCHED. AND UNTIL WE GET THIS THING UNDER CONTROL. ALL WE CAN DO IS PRAY. AND BE THERE FOR OUR FRIENDS AND RELATIVES. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? >> I ECHO THE SAME REMARKS THE COUNCILOR JONES MADE. ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR AND ADMINISTRATION, THIS IS REALLY AN EVENT IN OUR LIVES THAT DESERVES A PROPER, IF YOU WILL, OPPORTUNITY FOR FOLKS TO GRIEVE AND TO REMEMBER THEIR LOVED ONES AND WE'RE IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE MEMORIAL. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN TO CLOSE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY THAT CAME OUT TONIGHT TO SHARE THOSE STORIES. I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WHO EMAILED ME AND CALLED ME OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS AND SHARED THEIR STORIES WITH ME. I WAS DEEPLY TOUCHED. AND I CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT FOLKS HAVE GONE THROUGH. I CANNOT IMAGINE LOSING A LOVED ONE AND NOT BEING ABLE TO BE WITH THEM AND NOT BE ABLE TO GRIEVE AND HAVE CLOSURE. I ALSO CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT OUR HEALTH CARE WORKERS WENT THROUGH DURING COVID AND CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH. FOR THOSE REASONS AND MANY, MANY MORE I REALLY AM HONORED TO SPONSOR THIS WITH COUNCILOR JONES. I URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO STAND UP WITH THESE FOLKS AND SUPPORT THIS MEMORIAL SO THEY HAVE A PLACE TO GO TO HANDLE THEIR GRIEF AND BE WITH THEIR LOVED ONE AND REMEMBER ALL THE GOOD TIMES. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING ANOTHER DISCUSSION. MOTION FOR A DUE PASS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. CONGRATULATIONS. WE'LL SEE YOU SOON IN SANTA FE, I'M SURE. OUR LAST ITEM, I THINK, DID WE SKIP ANYTHING ELSE, LAST ITEM IS THE VETO OVERRIDE OF O-22-33 RELATING TO AMENDING SECTION 14-16 OFT IDO. AS A REMINDER IF ANY COUNCILOR WISHES TO COMPANY AN OVERRIDE THEY MAY MAKE A MOTION FOR OVERRIDE IF THERE'S NO MOTION THE VETO WILL STAND. ALSO IF THAT MOTION IS MADE, A SECOND A RECEIVED BUT SIX ARE NOT OBTAINED IN FAVOR OF THE OVERRIDE THE MAYOR'S VETO ALSO STANDS. IS THERE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE THE VETO? >>COUN. BASSAN: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO OVERRIDE THE MAYORS VETO. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THERE A SECOND? >>COUN. LEWIS: SECOND. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'LL TAKE COUNCILOR SANCHEZ FIRST. WE'RE ON THE MATTER. IS THERE ANYONE LEFT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> YES. FIRST WE HAVE LORETTA FOLLOWED BY CARL. >> COUNCILORS, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE MARTINEZ TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. I CONTINUE TO JUST FINISH THE ARGUMENTS BY THOSE MADE OPPOSED TO SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES. THE PROVISION ARE NOT -- THEY CONTRADICT THE IDO. INCLUDING RELATING TO HIRE BEST USE OF PROPERTY AND THE INTENT AND GOAL OF THE IDO TO HAVE REASONABLE RESPONSIBILITY DEVELOPMENT DIVISION THAT DO NOT HINDER DEVELOPMENT. THE KELLER ADMINISTRATION ACOMMENTED A HOUSING FIRST WHEN DEALING WITH THE HOMELESS CRISIS. THE SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES VIOLATES THE POLICY BY NOT PROVIDING A FORM OF PERMANENT HOUSING. SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES VIOLATESS THE CITY'S HOUSING FIRST POLICY JEOPARDIZING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN FEDERAL FUNDING BY OFFERING TEMPORARY HOUSING TO THE HOMELESS. IN THE 2021 FISCAL YEAR THE CITY SPENT $40 MILLION. AND IN 2022 THE FISCAL YEAR WILL BE $60 MILLION. THAT MONEY WILL BE PLACED IN JEOPARDY BECAUSE OF THE SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES. SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES ARE NUISANCES AND ARE IN VIOLATION OF CITY ORDINANCE. THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE NEEDS TO STOP THE DISCRIMINATION AGAINST MARTINEZ TOWN. THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR NEED TO STOP THE CONCENTRATION OF HOMELESS SERVICES AND PROGRAMS IN MARTINEZ TOWN NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS. I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. AND I ASK THAT YOU OVERRIDE THE MAYOR'S VETO. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT. P . >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I JUST WANTED TO TALK TO HER AND TELL HER THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE EVERY SINGLE MEETING. GOING OVER THIS EVERY SINGLE TIME. AND STANDING BY THE COUNCILORS THAT ACTUALLY OPPOSE THE SOS. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU. >> I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU THAT SUPPORT TAKING THE SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES OUT OF THE IDO. REALLY STANDING WITH THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> LASTLY CARL ON ZOOM. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, FELLOW COUNCILORS. FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO SAY YOU GUYS ARE DOING GOOD WORK. IT'S A CHALLENGE. IT'S OVER 10 O'CLOCK AND IT'S LONG NIGHT. I'LL MAKE THIS SHORT. I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE HOTEL ASSOCIATION IN SUPPORT OF THE HOTELS LOCATED ON MENAUL BOULEVARD. WE FEEL ALLOWING CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE TO MOVE FORWARD WILL BE A REVENUE AND BUSINESS JOBS KILLER FOR ALL THOSE LOCATED ON MENAUL. NOT TO MENTION THE NEIGHBORHOODS NEAR THE BUSINESSES. THERE ARE OVER A THOUSAND HOTEL ROOMS REPRESENTING CLOSE TO 500 HOTEL JOBS AND SUBSTANTIAL ECONOMIC GENERATOR NOT TO MENTION THE BUSINESSES LIKE T-MOBILE AND MENAUL SCHOOL. IT'S A CHALLENGE. WE WOULD LIKE AND ASK THAT YOU OVERRIDE THE MAYOR'S VETO ON THIS WHICH THIS MEASURE WAS PASSED ON DECEMBER 5, 2022 BY 5-4 VOTE. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT. THAURNG DO NOT ALLOW THE SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES LANGUAGE TO STAY IN THE IDO. THANK YOU AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. BEFORE WE MOVE ANY FURTHER, I'M GOING TO PUT MR. MELENDREZ ON THE SPOT. I WANT TO BE SURE WE GET THIS RIGHT. IN THIS CASE, WOULD YOU HELP US REMIND COUNCILORS AND THOSE WATCHING WHAT A YES AND NO VOTE DOES. IT'S MORE CONFUSING BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL LEGISLATION IS TO REPEAL A THING ALREADY DONE AND WE PASS IT AND THERE'S A VETO AND THIS OVERRIDES THE VETO. THERE'S FOUR FLIP-FLOPS. LET'S UNDERSTAND WHAT HAD YES AND NO DOES. >> O-22-33 WAS PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL BY A VOTE OF 5-4 ON DECEMBER 5th. 0RBGS IT PROPOSED TO REMOVE SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES AS AN OPTION BY THE INTEGRATED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. THAT BILL LIKE EVERY OTHER BILL WAS PRESENTED TO THE MAYOR FOR SIGNATURE. THE MAYOR VOTED THE BILL. IF THE MOTION TO OVERRIDE IS SUCCESSFUL, BY A VOTE OF SIX, THEN O-22-33 WILL GO INTO EFFECT AND SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES IS REMOVED FROM THE IDO. HOWEVER IF THE VOTE FAILS TO RECEIVE AT LEAST SIX VOTES THEN O-22-33 WILL FAIL AND SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES WILL REMAIN AS IT EXISTS IN THE IDO. EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. >>COUN. DAVIS: THAT'S WHY I ASKED. LET'S GO TO COUNCILORS FOR QUESTION, DISCUSSION OR COMMENT. WE'VE DONE THIS A FEW TIMES. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST WANT TO ADD TO ALL OF THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS WE'VE ALWAYS HAD ABOUT THIS THAT EARLIER TONIGHT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN EC REGARDING HEADING HOME AND EMERGENCY BEDS AND WINTER SHELTERS. I JUST WANT TO SAY WE KEEP HEARING ABOUT TOOLS AND TOOLBOXES AND TAKING ALL OF THESE ROUTES, I THINK IT'S VERY WORTH IT TO POINT OUT WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES APPROVED IN ALBUQUERQUE NOW. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THOSE TOOLS IN OPERATION. THIS IS THE PERFECT TIME TO ALLOW US TO FIND THE MIDDLE GROUND AND SAYING A COUPLE HAVE BEEN APPROVED WE'RE GOING TO TRY THAT OUT AND MAKE SURE WE LISTEN TO THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT REACHED OUT BEGGING US NOT TO PROCEED WITH THIS. RELEVANT TO MY SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES/GATEWAY THING THERE'S ANOTHER 50 BEDS TO APPROVE. I'M GOING TO CALL THAT AN INDOOR SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE COUNTED AS ANOTHER TOOL AS MENTIONED EARLIER. THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO FIND THAT MIDDLE GROUND. FOR EVERYBODY THAT WAS REALLY LOOKING AND SAYING LET'S TRY IT, AND SAYING I DON'T WANT TO JUST GET RID OF IT, WE'RE TRYING IT. WE'RE TRYING IT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND OVERRIDE THE VETO SO WE CAN'T HAVE MORE HAPPEN BEFORE IT GETS PAST A TRAIN WRECK WHERE THINGS MAY NOT WORK OUT. IN ADDITION TO WE WANT TO LISTEN TO THOSE THAT ELECTED US. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I CONCUR WITH COUNCILOR BASSAN. WE HAVE A COUPLE. WE NEED SEE HOW THEY WORK. I REMEMBER WHEN THIS DISCUSSION STARTED A YEAR AGO. AND COUNCILOR JONES TOLD ME SHE SAID WE JUST NEED ONE. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A BUNCH. WE JUST NEED ONE. WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE. ALL WE NEED RIGHT NOW. OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE COUNTRY WHO HAVE DONE THIS AREN'T LIKING THEM SO MUCH. THEY'RE BACKTRACKING TOO. WE DON'T NEED TO ALSO BE BEHIND THAT. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD CHANGE IT. IF IT WE FIND THESE ARE WORKING, GREAT. THEN WE CAN REVISIT IT AGAIN AND ADD SOME MORE IN. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE, LET'S GO WITH THOSE. I CAN COUNT ON TWO HANDS HOW MANY EMAILS I'VE GOTTEN THAT SAID I'M EXCITED ABOUT SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES. I'VE GOT THOUSANDS OF EMAILS THAT SAID I DON'T LIKE THEM. IT'S NOT JUST FROM MY COMMUNITY. IT'S FROM ALL OVER THE CITY. AND ALL OF US COUNCILORS GOT THOSE EMAILS. THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN ALBUQUERQUE ARE NOT FOR THESE. WE NEED TO BE LISTENING TO THESE FOLKS. WE'VE GOT A COUPLE. LET'S SEE HOW THEY WORK. AND IF IT WORKS, GREAT. WE CAN BRING THEM BACK. I THINK WE NEED TO BE LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE IN ALBUQUERQUE. IT'S TIME TO -- THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. WE'LL MOVE TO THE VOTE. >>COUN. BASSAN: CAN I CLOSE? MR. PRESIDENT, I THINK THAT I AM NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO AN OPTION OF POTENTIALLY BRINGING THESE BACK IF WE DECIDE THEY DON'T WORK. WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO ALBUQUERQUE AND WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO FIND BALANCE TO PROTECT THOSE THAT ARE UNHOUSED WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THAT PLACE TO LIVE WHO IS PROTECTING ALL OF THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE ASKING US TO LISTEN TO THEM AS WELL? LET'S GET GATEWAY GOING. LET'S GET SECURITY, LET'S GET LIGHTING, LET'S GET GATEWAY GOING. LET'S GET THAT HAPPENING. LET'S GET THAT WORKING FOR THOSE BEDS. LET'S MAKE IT WORK SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO NOT HAVE MORE SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES THAT LUT OF -- LOT OF PEOPLE ARE AGAINST WHILE ALSO FINDING HOUSING FOR PEOPLE AND FINDING A WAY TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE WHOSE VOICES ARE NOT BEING LISTENED TO RIGHT NOW. NOW I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: NOW, NO OTHER DISCUSSION. THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS MOVE OVERRIDE. A YES REMOVES ALL REFERENCES TO SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND LET'S DOUBLE CHECK UNTIL I CAN COUNT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THE VOTE IS 5-4, THE MOTION TO OVERRIDE FAILS. THERE BEING ANOTHER BUSINESS THIS CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS JOURNED. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST WANTED TO THANK COUNCILOR BENTON FOR HIS LEADERSHIP AS THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT OVER THE LAST YEAR. ON BEHALF OF THE ADMINISTRATION WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE WITH US AND WORKING WITH US AND THANK YOU FOR THE SERVICE. [ APPLAUSE ].