like trying to hide. >> Oh, that's it. >> We're live. >> We're live. >> I can find that. >> We're live. >> We should quit talking about beards and stuff. >> Professional. >> It's a new month. >> Welcome to the Urban and Economic Development Committee meeting. It's about 8:30 on May the 6th. I call this meeting to order. The first item is resoning application at or near 61st in Union. Susan. >> Hello. >> Good morning. >> I'm used to having something before me. >> Do you want us to talk a little bit more first? >> Oh, we have appointees. That's why. >> Yeah. >> So, yeah, I know. Okay. So, I have three um really interesting cases this morning that are um all really good, I guess. So, this is a um resoning at 61st in Union to CS. You can see that corner has a lot of different zoning districts on it. So, it already is a large portion of it CS. This would just be making the entirety of the parcel CS. It's in PUB as well. So, oh, I'm sorry. The first two are related. I don't know. Uh item number three, reszoning application at an air 61st in the union. >> So um so this is the the parcel on the corner. Um you nothing's developed right now. It's been part of the PD that has never developed. It is a multiple use land use designation. The intent is to develop housing. Um they're leaning towards senior housing on this site. We do have a conceptual site plan and it's kind of turned sideways. So, North is to the left. Um, 61st on the right and then of course Union. Um, and so that it needed to go to CS as a whole to get not not to be able to do apartments because it could those could be done anyway, but to get to the F they needed and the height they needed because the P restricted those. Those were a couple of the main factors. Also, there was a setback issue. They do um after talking with the the developer, they did want to move the building up to the street. They wanted to have that sort of pedestrian feel up at the street, anticipating what that future intersection might look like. >> Yeah. >> And um so they anticipate that it be maybe even four stories. That's the max in the PUB. It could be and maybe about 120 units. So that's really about it. We had we didn't hear from any opposition from anybody on it. Um and it was unanimously recommended for approval. >> Tell Siri. >> Yeah. So, we've had uh a number of community meetings about this. Um, and I'm grateful to Simple Church for hosting uh those meetings. Um, our folks are excited about the development, the partnership with Mercy Housing. Um, and it's pretty cool that it's going to back up uh kind of to the street, so kind of give it a a frontage. Um, and there's additional additional development. I mean, I met with, you know, I walk and we're, you know, met with business owners, the community leaders, and u we're glad about what's happening. So, we support it. >> Good. Anyone else? Item four, reszoning app for property at 100 uh 41st and 129th East. >> And next one too, please. >> Uh same thing. It's a resolution at the same area. >> Okay. Okay. So, there are two related applications. Uh, one is a zoning change, the other is a comp plan amendment. This is the site. Um, the this is a really Okay, so let me show you the aerial. You'll you'll get a better sense of where it is. Um, there's of course it's already developed out as really an office complex um on the the southwest there. Um, the intent is it's RS5 on the larger piece. That's about 4 acres um commercial is intended or CS on the corner. Um so this is the change. Currently it is scientific research which is a very rare zoning district. Um as far as land use which is the second application it's employment currently. Um you know this is because it's really filling out the rest of this area or at least the parcel. So it's it makes sense that it um you know this this office park. I don't even know what you call it. Abvis Park is typically kind of full, but there's still some vacancies there. Um, so this is a good use of the remainder of that portion. It is separated by a flood plane, so it does kind of have a little bit of a separation there from that use. And um to to match with the residential and commercial, they've also asked for a land use change to neighborhood and but the corner I think is multiple use or local center >> and that's about it. the residential development. I mean, it will still have to be designed, but what we've seen so far, uh, estimated lots are about 310. >> Uh, yes, >> it's in my district. I know there was some confusion confusion because district six is across the street. >> So, this is district 7. I did meet with the developer. Um, the commercial zone will have a hotel going in. So, um, and kind of offices, retail kind of thing on the corner, not unlike you would see it like 80 versingo or >> residence in a courtyard, one of those kind place. >> Yeah. High place or something like that. I I can't remember the product exactly. >> Oh, yeah. But one of those types. >> Yeah, definitely like a business traveler type. um threetory maybe you know >> a few dozen units >> um and then the kind of amenities that would go with that like I said not unlike is characteristic in our district already around like >> 81st street from 169 to Sheridan you kind of see kind of what's going on over there and then the housing I'm very excited about of course because we need more housing and these would be a product for workforce so starter homes three bedrooms, two bath, um affordable to, you know, get started in in housing for uh folks who are a little bit locked out of the market right now. And I think just I don't want to over speak my colleague to the east, but this is a developing. >> You and I are aligned on this. >> Yeah, this is a developing corridor and hopefully the more rooftops we get, there'll be a grocery store that goes in and those kinds of things that we need out there. >> It's a growth corridor. >> Yeah, exactly. and we already have the firehouse out there, so it's just >> um continuing to grow. I will just flag um I don't think I'm speaking out of term, but as we talk about the next capital improvement package, 41st Street over there is going to need some improvements because it's growing quickly on the um business side and residential. So, >> probably some if it's not already been designed, >> further to the east, >> some widening design and maybe even some widening dollars. So, just something to look look at. But we um capture the easements now which is the first part acquisition. So I I'm supportive and I this is a local developer and he seems like he's operating in good faith. He's reached out to community and so I'm excited to have this kind of partner coming in to do a project like this. >> What is that big office part to the south? >> That's I know it's not on here. >> That's like Verizon and uh >> so the public safety center here to the south. They've got a um farm is down south >> a facility in there. There's um like a carc facility in there. There's just kind of random um office type uses. >> And then obviously to remember public safety center is on the other side. >> Quickrip headquarters is across the street. >> Oh, I see. To the east. I'm just looking at >> to the east you have home builders association and >> Okay. I know. Exactly. >> So it's all that's where the cows graze right now. >> Yeah. >> Where you're kind of driving through and you're like there's cows. >> Used to be where everybody types at the Gatesway balloon festival. >> That's right. >> So uh well you answered a lot of those questions. Susan, you said it it was a scientific um research zoning. >> Yes. >> Why do that? >> So there's not much of that. Another site that is scientific research zoned is the U Tulsa site at 41st in Yale, >> but there's not a lot of it in the city. >> I thought this is entirely unserious, but I thought, is that what is that where the aliens are going to we're going to research on the aliens >> circles? >> Yeah, we can take them there. >> All right, back to business. >> That's what the cows are. >> Yeah, >> incognito. >> Thank you. Watch too many Men in Black movies. >> Like that little dog in Men in Black. >> Yeah. >> Anything else? >> Okay. Item six, resenting application at 91st in Riverside. >> Okay. I think you're familiar with this one. You've seen this before uh with a a tip that you approved. So, this is about a 30 acre site. Um, and if you remember me a year or two ago, um, you approved an amendment to the river design overlay because this is in large part in the river design overlay that would allow if if an MPD was done on a property over 20 acres, um, it could not follow the standards to the exact letter of the law, but would really need to incorporate that as much as possible. So, that's what this did. So, there's a lot of that incorporated into this development. Um so a lot of different zonings right now um going to MPD 9. So there's a specific set of standards again a lot of mirror river design overlay. Um I think you're familiar with this site. Seems like it most people are and it is in the uh regional center on the Lewis side and the river we call it Arkansas River corridor land use on the other. And this is the I think this is the one you've probably seen before too. It's been the one I think in the tip packet. So this is the general concept. Um the peach color is retail. Um the blue is um housing, multif family housing. So uh the proposal has roughly about 200,000 square feet of commercial and about 800 multif family units. >> This is the southern bullet >> southern riverline project. Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. Sure. I understood that they were amending this that the markets would actually drive the numbers for for retail or housing. >> So that and I'm just giving you an estimate. It's not a set in stone number. >> It's not okay. I thought previously there was a specific number associated with each type of development. >> Yes. >> And now they're saying that they want the market to drive it. So Susan's correct. >> So Susan's correct. The original plan exactly what Susan said, and you're correct as well. They plan to design as the market has a need for it. So it may not be 800 houses. It may be 769 or something of that nature, but it will change based on the market. >> Okay. Do you know what if there's a percentage of fluctuation built into that or if it is it just totally market driven? >> I don't know that. I think I think right now their concept is market driven. >> Okay. >> And they when we had our public meetings on this, they presented this in three phases and they they I don't have the handouts with me, but presented a lower unit package, a mo, you know, 500 and moderate unit package 600 or 700 and then the high. And so like like you said, I think it's probably both. >> But just as the phases go, they'll determine, >> right? So >> as we're developing the project, the market will dictate ultimately how many homes will be on that. So I ended up retail on that side as well. >> Yeah. Because if I remember correctly, the proposal was this was going to be higherend retail. >> Yes. >> So that's what I'm asking. Really? >> So that is that's still the same. It's still supposed going to be higherend retail that's still designed for the property at this point. The number of housing is what's fluctuation. >> The housing is what's going to fluctuate, not the retail standard. >> Okay. >> So, the MPD is a very um broad it's it's not a super tight regulatory document. So, all of these things can happen in the scope of this. It's just whatever decides to happen on the site. Um this is just a conceptual of the thought that the developer has right now. >> But the design standards um the that align with the river design overlay like the landscaping, the parking, the trail and all of that kind of stuff that is very tight regulatory. >> Okay. I was going to ask if there were any concessions made on RDO standards. um some I guess the a big one is really it's not probably as close as to the street to Riverside as it would require but there were other factors and they're really going to heavily landscape the street and put a 10 foot wide side path sidewalk or whatever the the name is for something that wide um next to the street. So um it still meets a lot of the intent has really an internal courtyard also a lot of landscaping. So that's definitely an enhanced development from what we would normally see somewhere for those with standards that mirror the river design. >> It's meant to be development where people can come and actually just spend time in as well. So beyond just shopping or eating there spend time walking around relaxing within that area for the community. So >> is there just a connection to the uh casino to the west at grade? Nothing over Riverside or under Riverside at this point. >> Yeah. And I think there's um discussion maybe on the south side of a traffic signal. >> Yeah. I don't know about that. >> Okay. >> Okay. There's our there's two traffic signals there right now. But yeah, maybe there there need to be one right here too. >> There's a one further north. >> Yeah. That's part of the >> Okay. It goes right behind it. >> Yeah. There's a trail that goes off that corridor as well. >> Goes all the way >> that trail down right here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. On the west side of Riverside, right? >> And those would go to the lights. >> Yep. Okay. Anything else? Anyone else? Thank you all very much. Item seven, presentation and updates from the regional chamber regarding economic development, tourism, and legislative advocacy. >> Do you know how many of those folders I have? >> Well, thank you, council. We really uh appreciate the opportunity to come visit with you all today and talk about economic development, tourism and government affairs. Um also want to just thank you all for the the really great working relationship that we have with this body on a lot of really important projects and so just wanted to to highlight that and thank you for that. Um Sarah was able to go recently with us and thank you all for approving that. Sarah went with us to Kansas City to do a previsit for the inner city visit which is going to be really important always important every year that we do and go look at other cities to see what they're doing well and I think we're going to learn a lot as we go to Kansas City. Thank you for letting Sarah go along with us. Appreciate that. >> When is that? >> Uh it's October it's in your it's in the packet of it's in the calendar of events here. So that will be >> October 5th through 7th. Yeah. So put that on your calendar. We'd love to have you there. >> Are we driving or flying? >> Um it's easier to drive driving. running. >> It's easy scooter. >> It's easy to drive. >> Scooter. >> Scooter. >> I will first uh I'll first call on Renee McKenna to give us an update on some of the things that have been going on in tourism. Rene. >> Great. Thank you. Well, today is national global meetings day and it is national tour and tourism week around the country. So, it's really great to speak to you today. Uh we also celebrated yesterday FFA's extension for an additional five years and they bring in 13,000 people a day. So as you can imagine to see it full and the BOK was full yesterday with the general session and very exciting to see that. And then I just wanted to point out we are just weeks away from our big event May 30th to celebrate the centennial. And I'm very pleased to say we have over 3,500 cars registered which is so big and also bringing in so much travel and tourism and highlighting the capital of Route 66. So we're expecting a very big day there. So uh excited about that. And one thing before I get started, I wanted to point out next week um the entire city is going to be full. We have a basketball tournament with over 700 teams. We in addition to that have several other groups in that people are trying to find rooms as far as Edmund. So because we don't have enough rooms in the inn um people are Edmond is getting our guest tax. So there is something to be said for the fact that um we have so many groups wanting to come here that we are now expanding into the entire region. And so that was just I want you to be prepared for next week. It's going to be a really big one. So, >> so, >> so um for the quarterly report, I just wanted to point out you can see uh where we are inventory and performance by class and our historic performance. So, we're having a very good year. Our our hotels are very happy. Um we've had a strong quarter and it's exciting to see uh the leads continue to grow. Um we're doing quite a bit there. um our bookings and economic impact is all listed there. And then I know you're seeing a lot going on around uh but I I update the lost business all the time and you'll continue to hear about that as we turn away groups which just absolutely kills us to do that. Um but we're excited that we've got a lot of of interest here. um event organizer feedback um is strong and then uh our visitor center. This continues to grow with our visitor center being on Route 66. So uh you'll continue to see the interest there and we're seeing a huge bump in our Route 66 traffic. The Wall Street Journal story, I hope everybody got to see that calling us the cultural uh city to see and that and it really highlighted our small businesses. that highlighted our community, most especially our creative community. So, we continue to see that. DCI out of New York is who we work with and uh we continue to pitch stories to them and they continue to deliver. So, it's really exciting to see us with, you know, from the Wall Street Journal to um we've seen uh Southern Living and several other big New York Times stories that have come out over the past especially six months. So, uh excited about that. Uh marketing communications, you can see listed here as well as our earned media. And then uh social media, we're doing a lot around that. You're seeing influencers and you'll continue to see that uh especially around our centennial events. And then lastly, talking about film, music, arts, and culture, as you know, Lowdown is filming downtown and uh they're going to be here through July. We also have several other projects that are being filmed. Our music is getting highlighted throughout all of that. And then we're preparing for music month in July. So that is everything for us. >> Thank you, Rene. Appreciate that. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, it's it's interesting to think about like when we when we get a full page or half page article in the Wall Street Journal, I mean that that's that's an article that we probably could never afford an ad in the Wall Street Journal. So those are huge deals for us. And so really you've had there's been three over the last um several months. >> College student jobs. >> Yeah, that was another big one too. Yeah. And then we had one back in back in December about one of the top places to visit 2026 in the world. So those are those are really impactful and really get a lot of attention towards our towards our tourism venues. So I'll now turn it over to Kim Was to talk about economic development. Kim. >> Yeah. Good morning. Thank you. Uh in your packet you've got two uh two of our um materials in there that really highlights 2025. just a quick recap of all the things from the client development perspective of what we've handled throughout the region. Um and then a Q1 of a touch base on where what our team has done so far to date. Um but really want to highlight a couple of things on the recruitment side. Aerospace, space and defense is huge continues to be huge for us. Um last year we announced agile space industries the rocket engine testing facility over near the airport that continues to generate a lot of interest in Tulsa. We attended the space symposium in January and um our team had a lot of folks walking up to us and saying, "Okay, what's going on in Tulsa?" Right? Um so that rocket engine testing facility is a great um catalyst to growing the space industry for us. Um so please keep an eye out for for good things happening in that industry on space. And then Lufansa, as you've seen, they continue to grow. Um they expanded their 25,000 square feet new facility that adds 90 new workstations. um in a couple of weeks they're going to announce they're going to inaugurate their new engine test center uh test uh facility. Um and so we continue to work with them to support their growth. Um we continue to attend aerospace shows. I mentioned um space symposium. So MRO Americas was another event that we attended. Walked out of that show with about five potential projects that we're talking to um to cultivate and get them here for a for a potential visit. Um, but we're really um continuing to really um integrate all of our processes. So, we've hired a new person um who's purely her job is specifically lead generation. Um but we're working to integrate our whole processes. So, you as Renee mentioned, we've got DCI um that continue to do PR for us as a as an example. Um they'll flush the market in New York before we know that we're about to go to a trip. Uh they'll run ads, we run digital ads there. when New York's mayor was um uh recently elected, he was known to have not unfriendly business practices. So, he really pushed digital ads to businesses that we're targeting about um how businessfriendly our climate was and our cost of living and cost of businesses here. Um and then our team took a trip to New York. Um we had 14 appointments when we were there and that was our uh proactive lead genen person. She makes 40 calls a day. That's all she does and tries to set appointments for us um as we go to these shows or go to these um marketing trips. Um on the business retention and expansion side um as I mentioned Lupon so we continue to work with them. We part of our team actually traveled out to Germany um at their request. We met with them to better understand their apprenticeship programs. So we met with um Airbus, Lufansa um and Volkswagen when we were there to better understand how we might be able to bring that process here. They want our help to to figure out culturally their apprentichip programs probably won't work here in the states. Um but they want to figure out what can. Um and so uh we're looking to to work with their team uh for that. Um also helping our local companies in getting their share of state funds. So $20 million went to local companies here throughout the region to help support their their company growth. Um also um as they're whenever they look to make significant capital investments, there's another state program that we've helped coordinate and connect them with for them to get extra dollars to help with that. We continue to have our um industry council meetings. So, manufacturing, aerospace, and tech council. Um, we get them together, kind of talk about trends and help them connect with each other. Um, as well as our one-on-one meetings with companies. Um, and then finally, on the workforce side, um, we want to make sure that our, um, our local companies that have what we're we've identified hard to fill roles. Um, so we want to make sure that those HR managers of those companies are connecting with the specific folks at the university and tech roles that are teach those programs. Um, so we had an event actually yesterday that got all of our accounting industry folks together. Um, had several connections that were built there, but then we're also working for those companies that need experienced talent. So, we're running um talent ads um in markets that are close by where folks may may likely be relo willing to relocate as well as where there's an surplus of that specific skill in that in that community to get them to come and look at jobs here. So, we're working with companies to get their career pages listed on our website so that when we run those ads, they go straight to our site and then straight out to a variety of companies that have those roles open. So, I'll pause there if you have any questions. It's good stuff. Any questions for Kim? >> All right, I'll turn it over final to Josh Driscoll to give us an update on government affairs. Josh, >> thank you. Good morning, everyone. Glad to be here. Um, as you're aware, we had our Washington DC flyin. Um, and had a great turnout between Oklahoma City Chamber and Tulsa Chamber. We partnered together this year, 120 attendees. It's worth noting Tulsa outnumbered Oklahoma City 80 to 40. So, props to us. Uh, but we were able to hear from our new US Senator Alan Armstrong as well as Senator Langford and other members of our federal delegation as well as hearing from uh, representatives from the Export Import Bank and the Environmental Protection Agency. So, as those of you who have been before, you know, we have a mixture of elected officials and appointed officials and getting a good blend of policy and politics there. Uh, the state legislature, because we're playing with live ammunition right now, I have to go to my second page of notes, which has has more upto-date information that may be outdated already. >> Wait, let's look. Let's see what's going on. Uh we're expecting tomorrow the House and Senate will adjourn to the call of the chair, meaning they're kind of in a hibernate mode and they will officially adjourn siny die next week. So if they need to take any further action, anything weird pops up, if there's a veto or something like that, they won't override. But uh some bills we can specifically can talk about because we've seen action and it's still accurate as of about 10 minutes ago. You saw me texting, that's why. Uh the True Grit Trail Act has passed. So that's going to create a new uh trail tourism trail for Oklahoma. It's south of us. It's Salisaw Mallister, but again, it's in the region and tourism, as we've learned, brings in people from all over. I don't know if they'll be staying in Edund for the True Grit Trail, but they might. Uh, Route 6, and that has been signed in the law. Um, the Route 66 Centennial license plate became law without the governor's signature. And again, that allowed Route 66 Centennial Commission to create special license plate to commemorate this gray year. Um, I'm skipping over some other ones that are currently not accurate. Uh, Olympics revolving fund in Oklahoma. Signed or pending action by the governor, excuse me. Um, yeah, this is fun to read your handwriting. Uh, aerospace, aircraft, and aviation infrastructure. So, the legislaturator is continuing to invest in that as I think it's really good for Tulsa because continue to see these investments Kim spoken about. The overarching message here on the legislature would be this is the second and final session of this session of the legislature. So any bills that aren't across the finish line. And if you look at our notes here, there's quite a few that were priorities can be refiled next year and we'll get to start all over again, which is good if something died, bad if we got this close and didn't get it across the finish line. So as a reminder, next year is a non-election year. We typically see a little bit more collaboration. I'll look to councelor Bush from her time in the legislature. The offcycle years are a little a little bit easier, I think. But >> I agree. Um I was just curious I I know there's ones like the tri share that I wish would have made it further but next time. Um going back up to the budget appropriations kind of an economic development question for you relative to um healthcare authority and Medicaid dollars. I know you know healthcare is one of our biggest growing industries. We have all these new hospitals coming in but I know with kind of like the budget appropriations and what's happening they're looking at having to cut provider pay potentially through Medicaid. So, I've been worried about being able to kind of recruit in or maintain physicians to especially with our new medical infrastructure. Do you all feel like outcomewise? I don't know. I was just curious what your all's perspective on that is as far as recruiting and retaining healthcare talent. You know, we've invested so much as a city into the new hospital buildings. >> Yeah. Don't want to speculate on too much, but I think we could say >> it could have been worse, could have been better. >> Yeah. Yeah. I've just I was kind of concerned that it could Yeah, I know. It's not It definitely could have been worse. I know we still have >> I know we still have things coming on the table, but you know, just with the amount of that appropriation, I just >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I think it could have been worse, could have been better. I think we have a lot of conversations to continue having around the healthcare field and some of this funding in particular along with when we were in DC, we talked to our federal delegation as well about the changing reimbursement rates and what that's meant downstream. you know, it's easy at the federal level to make changes and reductions and then the state gets to pick up the tab and if they don't, it keeps getting pushed further down and municipal resources get taxed with that. So, >> yeah. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Right. >> Thanks. Speaking of session and workforce, uh, childcare. So, um, with what has happened, I think we have to get ready for what that's going to do in our community. I got an update from Representative Shriber yesterday that 1,394 slots in Tulsa County that have closed. >> Yep. >> Um I don't anticipate that those would be coming back. This is not unlike during the pandemic. Once those businesses closed, they've moved on. They're doing other things. So 1,394 slots closed and we were already under >> under available. So, as we talk about >> economic development, workforce development, I really think we need to start talking about employers about how they're going to bring childcare into their into their operations. You know, these big employers um and if there could be a hybrid model where like where they're located. Let's talk about 41st Street. Um or maybe like for the employees the slots are prioritized and if there's extra then maybe like neighbors could get in on that because I I just we can't do what we've been doing expect different results and it's unfortunate that the I mean they lobbyed the heck out of trying to get that to turn around and same thing with mental health. So we're downstream of all those policy decisions and so whether it's workforce attraction, retention, visitors, right? And we're in our budget talks here at this table about what we need to be doing. And I just did want to flag that and I can't remember if that was part of voice. I think it it was tend to work force. So >> yes, it was probably our top workforce >> item this year. >> Yeah. Yeah. So um our area electeds are, you know, I think they get it on both sides of the aisle, but they're not a big enough entity to have a strong voice with that whole group. So I don't know if we have to build a coalition with like our Oklahoma City partners. That's half the state. But we can't um take away reproductive health care and then also not have places for families to have children whether it's uh you know preschool or you know six week old babysitting or all the way up into the public school. So very concerning about downward um repercussions of those choices and we're going to find ourselves trying to catch it all and we we know we can't. So, I just I hope we can advocate where we need to advocate. I'm looking at councelor Bush because I know she's been on the phone and walking those floors and trying to and I've been on calls uh with Representative Shriber. She's kind of positioned herself as the expert in that space and trusted by all kinds of partners. >> But I just don't know how I think if our business community could speak to it in a way. And this is not just a woman thing. I just really do want to say that as a woman myself like I have a working husband. We have to balance who's taking care of the kids, who's running them to and fro. >> Luckily, we have a living grandma. Not everyone has that. And that comes with other financial impacts, right? Who wants, you know, another mouse to feed? So, families are trying the best they can. And we don't live in a community where one job can support a household. That's just not the world we live in. So, we're This is not a woman's issue. This is a family and it's a community issue and it's a workforce issue. definitely 100%. So, I'm hoping our business partners can can um >> maybe there's some I don't know in Kansas City, but in some nearby communities where they've, you know, figured that out. >> Yeah, I'm I'm out of Yeah. Like, no, the problem I know Suzanne is extremely frustrated and it's like when I was over there, I did a newsletter about the three-legged stool and when one leg is broken the whole system collapsed. >> It's the Senate this year. >> Yeah. >> The problem is the House has worked their tail off. >> Senate stopped everything. I mean, and that's this is the politics that happened which is so unfortunate folks in the >> Senate. I personally don't think it's going to turn around even to the call of the chair. I think all of this is dead in the water. They're going to get out and campaign. So to that point, you know, I don't know how our business community can step up, but it is a severe >> problem. >> Um because for those of us that work for other companies, even our employees can't come to work if there's no place to take their kid. >> Right. >> So the economic the trickle down effect is astronomical while they play politics >> at the state level. I'm just going to say that. They also know like uh readiness to read and learn happens before kindergarten. >> Correct. >> So this is also part of that for long-term workforce as well. Right. >> And I know there's a lot of businesses are looking at the daycare issue not only in Oklahoma but nationwide. We talked about that incentives upside down industry unless we support. >> Well, and we do business incentives. Maybe we need to reframe how we look at business incentives and also incentivize people that are willing to put in >> Well, that was the tri share thing, >> right? At the state level. I'm saying as a local >> I know, >> right? I mean, >> well, I don't I'm not one of these people that thinks that municipal government can cover all the sins, >> but there are certain federal economic drivers if you do have an international >> Well, and just the overlapping impacts, right? >> Right. higher rates of domestic violence, higher rates of child abuse. All these things happen when you start taking kids out of um a collaborative care situation. Not for everyone, but for a lot of people, those are the points. And then you have downward effects for decades after. So, I think we need to be mindful. I don't know if there's a economic incentive tool conversation we can have around business attraction and incentives that could also we prioritize housing. You know, when people are coming in and doing infrastructure that would lead to housing. I think child care is going to be this next thing that housing and homelessness has been for us. >> And um we just >> it's easy to be like that's not fair. The state should be doing it, but they're not to counselor. >> Yeah, they're not. Bush's point they're not for >> their sense of >> we can't afford to wait and I mean these people who have been in business taking care of 12 kids a year >> when they go away they're not coming back it's not a financially sustainable model to begin with and then you know with the subsidies being lost they literally are >> just childcare centers that aren't coming back in the past >> they're just going to move on to >> putting food on their own table >> Gilbert doesn't >> I'm good >> oh hi I'm sorry. Sorry. Bush and then >> real quick. >> Yeah. I thought she was >> Are the state questions settled yet? >> As of this morning, there were still a couple of question marks. I think you and I saw the same list. >> Did we see the same list? >> So, just to let you all know, there's one in June, two in August, and four in November. >> Wow. >> With >> three dead and I don't think the T set wants >> I think T set's not going to make it. >> I get that it. >> Yeah. But that is the Medicaid expansion. >> That's November still. >> November still. >> GNC reform and the property tax. >> Yeah. The annual cap for >> property. That's >> so that will be on with the hotel guest tax >> on in November. I'm just letting you know. >> Yeah. >> And the August one is when we have our elections and the um >> OG franchise. So you got what are the ones on? Got state c require proof of identity to vote >> and then the ad valorium manufacturing tax exemption. >> Yeah, that's another member of property tax. >> Yep, another property tax forms. >> So minimum wages on June to prosperity. >> So I just didn't know if this was still >> Hope everyone's got >> that is still accurate again as of this morning. >> Yeah, your absentee ballots. >> Get your absentee ballots. later. >> Sorry, that's all I wanted to verify that >> the bills. >> Yeah. So, >> um >> to piggy back on what everybody's been talking about child care um as well as the cuts to SNAP benefits um and the work requirements that are now put into effect for families. And so it's I'm concerned as uh my colleague counselor Dr. Wright had mentioned that if you can't get child care and you have work requirement expectations I'm not sure how this is going to roll out for Oklahoma children seniors. I just had a DV victim mom reach out who she got a child care subsidy, had a job, but she needs child care for the job, but had to have proof of the job to use the subsidy the child care. So, she got stuck in the middle. >> And then there's the uh teens that are aging out of systems that are going to be uh themselves as well uh at minimum wage jobs unable to provide food for themselves. So, I'm really concerned about that. And that also falls back into the Oklahoma Healthcare Authority for changes. And um without I mean it's just I see it as a rolling ball going down the hill and um one deficit is going to lead to another and it's this is really going to affect families in a really difficult difficult way. really concerned about that. >> Yeah. >> I think our position um from our task forces to our members to the board is child care is our our biggest workforce issue and probably our single largest focus this session. And I think that's not going to get easier until we come up with at least some progress on that issue. >> It's going to affect housing, too. I mean, if you can't um feed your family, you're probably not able to afford housing, and there's a shortage of that as well for seniors, families, and veterans. >> I I was just going to check. So knowing all that, knowing we're looking into next session, are like what what would you all recommend or what do you think we should be doing in the interim? I'm just thinking through one if there's something we should be looking at the city level related to like the child care economic outcome issue or two is like part of me is like do we need like I would say the word interim study, but it's like what's there to study? It's just a sort of known studied. >> Yeah, it's been studied. There's it's not even >> also who needs to study something that's very clear. We need to study the Senate and see who >> is really blocking these things. >> Well, I think we have to get on the other side of all the election cycles for all of those change in election cycle to get the right people. >> No, but but the issue here is like it wasn't what happened didn't have to do with it wasn't rational actor or disruption. So, there was nothing predictable or strategic that could have happened to help stuff be on the floor of the Senate this cycle. >> It was like other polit it was other politics and not like necessarily super rational stuff. >> So, we can't. So that's where I'm also wondering if there is something to explore in the more I'm just naming to my colleagues too like if there's something more hyperlocally we need to explore given like if we have another session like this one where there's nothing rational or proactive we could do that would actually make a difference for something being heard then what do we do? I would like for us on our side to at least look at incentivizing >> okay >> incentivizing it with these other economic development things we're putting out >> or that's like the one thing I had mentioned for in the past I don't think this has ended up happening but for instance um maybe we need to revisit this like the housing partner network is incentivizing or at least if we're going to give city dollars to someone to put in multi-unit housing somewhere going hey you're going to get extra points if you're incorporating space for a childare center in that physical space you're building like that is, you know, there are other cities. >> Well, even the like reszoning we just talked about in our corridor, there's going to be single family in this commercial zone. >> Yeah. >> I mean, maybe a little daycare center could go in there. I just think we need to do something different than we've been doing. You've seen, I think, at 61st in Yale where they've put in >> used to be more retail and restaurant and they've put in a little um preschool over there and I think it's doing quite well. So, of course, we need things that are affordable and have every price point in every part of town. is doing really well. >> I think the other thing is that people don't always realize there's also subsidies to um tribes for child care that can be layered with DHS ones sometimes. I also wonder maybe this is more for like I don't know if the TV parts but like helping people or even some of the small businesses at childcare providers navigate those pay structures. >> I I'm just trying to think through a few local layers of what we could be doing knowing that like you know everyone's done their advocacy best. I think we have to do it locally and then hope that the state gets it together because it's a yes and at this point. >> Yeah, I mean we can. >> Well, okay. I'm following up on that. I mean, some of these folks can we do can you all lead like an interim study just for our city on this that we can kind of strategize? I think it's a conversation we could have maybe work with Sarah and see some of her expertise and >> and then I actually >> the women's commission did a >> sorry the women's commission did a really good report and then um putting on a different hat. My um my nonprofit we have like a like analytics arm that focuses on women's health data which includes economic outcomes. So we probably have some a really good database of stuff that we could just put into >> but I think we need to pull in the business community. >> Absolutely. on that. I mean, it's one thing for us as a city government misable entity to do it, but to have that with >> have that voice from his communities >> so they understand the >> I mean, I know I've sat next to Bill Ny and he's got he's now seen these issues. I mean, it's trickling down to me. So, >> it is. >> Yeah. >> We don't need to do the stadium where it's a dead horse up there. I mean, I used to chair that committee. So what are we going to do locally too? >> And there's probably other cities that have are doing it. So >> something maybe >> just like we did with our affordable housing initiative. There's >> if we can survey the United States, there's five or 10 good ideas >> out there in the US. >> People have done more >> replicate or replicate and customize >> that we can discuss >> local agree that yeah >> could be some options. >> Okay. plans >> on that on that note legislative briefing breakfast is Friday. So that's also a good opportunity >> and that will focus on the Golden Dome and aerospace. >> That's right. >> So we can make it to that. You got a calendar of events. I won't read them all to you. But just want to say really appreciate your time. Want to appreciate your support and everything you all do. So thank you. >> Thank you for the conversation. >> Give a shout out to the FMAC. They are doing amazing work. So congratulations. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. Okay, thank you all very much. Okay, no further business. We're adjourned if anybody's going to above and beyond. I think Dan leaves in five minutes. >> All right. get referrals in from all different kinds of partners, whether it's hospitals, the fire department, sometimes