>> Mayor Guajardo: GOOD MORNING. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. MS. HUERTA, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? [ROLL CALL] >> City Secretary: MAYOR AND COUNCIL, A QUORUM OF THE COUNCIL AND THE REQUIRED CHARTER OFFICERS ARE PRESENT TO CONDUCT THE MEETING. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, MS. HUERTA. SO THIS MORNING WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION REGARDING THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN TO INCLUDE POLICIES THAT ADDRESS WATER SUPPLY, WATER AVAILABILITY, DEMAND CONDITIONS, AND DROUGHT STAGES. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, IF YOU'LL GO TO YOUR WORKSHOP AGENDA, IS WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE -- WITHOUT QUESTIONS -- WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION OF DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN HISTORY AND OVERVIEW. THE SECOND BULLET WOULD BE SURCHARGES. THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE BASELINE USAGE ALLOCATIONS AND CURTAILMENT. AFTER THAT BULLET, THEN WE'LL DO QUESTION AND ANSWER AND EACH COUNCIL MEMBER WILL HAVE TWO TIMES TO SPEAK AT FIVE MINUTES TIME. MR. WINKLEMANN. >> Winkelmann: THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. NICK WINKELMANN, CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER OF CORPUS CHRISTI WATER. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TO PRESENT THIS IMPORTANT AND CRITICAL SUBJECT . PRESENTING TODAY WILL BE MYSELF. WE WILL HAVE MICHAEL DICE PRESENTING ONE SLIDE AS WELL. ALSO IN SUPPORT WE HAVE JEFF AND MICHAEL WITH CORROLO ENGINEERS. THEY ARE INVOLVED IN OUR DASHBOARD MODELING AND SUPPORTING OUR EFFORTS IN ESTABLISHING BASELINE AMOUNTS FOR EACH OF OUR CUSTOMER CLASSES. BEFORE I GET INTO THE PRESENTATION, I DO WANT TO JUST TAKE A MOMENT AND THANK THE CITY TEAM AND CCW FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE THROUGHOUT THIS LAST YEAR. THE TEAM, STAFF CONTINUES TO WORK SIX TO SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. TREMENDOUS WORK IS BEING DONE ON OUR NEW WATER SUPPLY PROJECTS. AND CERTAINLY MANY CITY DEPARTMENTS WERE INVOLVED IN THIS PRESENTATION AS WELL. WITH THAT, WE THANK ALL OF THEM. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. TODAY WE'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ON THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. WE WILL REVIEW SURCHARGES, BASELINE USAGE DETERMINATION, ALLOCATIONS. THEN WE WILL GO INTO NEW WATER METER CONNECTIONS. WE WILL BRIEFLY DISCUSS CAR WASHING AND SWIMMING POOLS AND WE WILL DISCUSS -- AS WELL AS SOME UPDATES TO THE DEFINITIONS IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. AND WE WILL CONCLUDE WITH NEXT STEPS. THE HISTORY OF THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, WE WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT CORPUS CHRISTI, OUR CITY, WAS THE FIRST CITY IN TEXAS TO DEVELOP A WATER CONSERVATION AND DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN AS A COMBINED POLICY. THAT WAS DONE IN 1986. IN 2013, OUR COUNCIL DECIDED TO SEPARATE THESE TWO PLANS INTO TWO DISTINCT DOCUMENTS. ONE BEING THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN AND ONE BEING THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. THIS DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN WAS LAST UPDATED AND APPROVED BY COUNCIL ON MARCH 18, 2025. SO JUST A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO. THE OVERVIEW AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAN, IT'S A BUSINESS TOOL FOR MANAGING OPERATIONS AND WATER SUPPLIES IN DROUGHT SITUATIONS. THE PLAN ABSOLUTELY CALLS FOR MINIMIZING THE USE OF NONESSENTIAL WATER DURING DROUGHT CONDITIONS. IT SERVES AS A FRAMEWORK TO MANAGE TIMES AND WATER SUPPLIES DURING A WATER EMERGENCY. AND IT ALSO DEFINES TRIGGERING CRITERIA FOR THE INITIATION AND TERMINATION OF DROUGHT STAGES. THIS PLAN APPLIES TO ALL CUSTOMERS OF CCW AND ALL CUSTOMER CLASSES. THOSE CUSTOMER CLASSES ARE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL WHOLESALE, AND LARGE-VOLUME USERS. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. THE NEXT TWO SLIDES IS CERTAINLY JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE TABLE OF CONTENTS SO THAT WE CAN JUST REFRESH OUR MEMORY WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THERE. BUT OVERALL IT'S A SMALL DOCUMENT BUT IT CONTAINS QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION AND CERTAINLY QUITE A BIT OF IMPORTANT INFORMATION. A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. SO, STAGE 1, DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS STAGE 1 WAS ENACTED JUNE 14, 2022. STAGE 2 DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS, MARCH 12, 2024. STAGE 3 WAS ENACTED DECEMBER 16, 2024. THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE THE DATE OF A LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY. IF YOU RECALL, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AT COUNCIL I SUBMITTED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT DASHBOARD SCENARIOS TO HELP US UNDERSTAND WHEN THAT DATE OF LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY MIGHT TAKE EFFECT. JUST AS A REMINDER, LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY IS WHEN WE ARE PROJECTED TO BE 180 DAYS AWAY FROM SUPPLY NOT MEETING DEMAND. SO BACK TO THOSE SCENARIOS. AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND THE DATE OF LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY HAD A WIDE RANGE. THE DAY AFTER WE PRESENTED THOSE SCENARIOS, WE CERTAINLY GOT SOME GOOD NEWS FROM LNRA MANAGING LAKE TEXANA AND ALSO FROM THE STATE REGARDING OUR BED AND BANKS PERMIT FOR THE WESTERN WELLFIELD. INFORMATION HAS CHANGED IN THOSE SCENARIOS. WE ARE WORKING WITH OUR MODELER, COROLO ENGINEERS TO UPDATE OUR SCENARIOS AND PROVIDE THIS BODY AN UPDATE TO THAT IN APRIL. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IS WE WANT TO DETERMINE AND SEE HOW THE WATER FROM THE WESTERN WELLFIELD, HOW THE SUPPLY AND THE PRODUCTION IS AFFECTED OR NOT AFFECTED BY THE OPERATION PROTOCOL AS DETERMINED BY TCEQ. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, WE NEED A TEAM TO IMPLEMENT THAT TO WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITY, TO WORK WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS. TO WORK WITH AREAS BOTH WITHIN THE CITY AND OUTSIDE THE CITY. THE LEADERS OF THIS IMPLEMENTATION TEAM ARE OF COURSE PETER ZANONI, OUR CITY MANAGER, CHIEF WADE, THE CHIEF OF OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND JACE JOHNSON, OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR, AS WELL AS MYSELF, THE CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER OF CCW. WHO ARE OUR STAKEHOLDERS? WHO ARE OUR CRITICAL FACILITIES? SO WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS BUT THE THINGS THAT WE OF COURSE ALL THINK ABOUT ARE HOSPITALS AND HEALTHCARE. OUR SCHOOLS, BOTH HIGHER EDUCATION, AND ALSO GRADE SCHOOLS, MIDDLE SCHOOLS, PRIVATE SCHOOLS, CATHOLIC SCHOOLS. AND WE ALSO HAVE OUR COMMERCIAL USERS, OUR LARGE-VOLUME USERS, AND WE SHOULDN'T FORGET OUR WHOLESALE USERS EITHER. WE'LL GO INTO DETAIL ON EACH OF THOSE CUSTOMER CLASSES. BUT ALL OF THOSE CUSTOMERS OF CCW ARE CRITICAL. THEY'RE ALL CRITICAL STAKEHOLDERS DEALING WITH THIS SITUATION. WHAT THE TEAM HAS DONE IS WE CONTINUE TO REACH OUT TO THEM, TO MEET WITH THEM, TO HELP ANSWER QUESTIONS, AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO CONTINUE DOING SO SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE EFFORTS THE CITY IS TAKING SO NOT ENTER INTO A LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY BUT ALSO TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE PREPARED IF THE CITY DOES ENTER INTO A LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY. AGAIN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY IS WHEN WE ARE PROJECTED TO BE 180 DAYS FROM SUPPLY NOT MEETING DEMAND. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE DATE OF LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY THAT SUPPLY DOESN'T MEET DEMAND, IT MEANS WE ARE PROJECTED TO BE 180 DAYS AWAY FROM THAT. THE PLAN, THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, CALLS FOR THE ACTIONS TO TAKE EFFECT AT THE DATE OF THE LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY. WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION, COUNCIL SHALL APPROVE THE APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF THE DCP. I HAVE GOT A SLIDE ON THAT LATER TO GO THROUGH THE DECISIONS THAT THIS COUNCIL WILL BE ASKED TO MAKE AND DECIDE. I DO WANT TO -- AND I'LL PROBABLY SAY IT A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THIS PRESENTATION. IF WE DO ENTER LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY, THE GOAL IS TO ENSURE THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE ENOUGH SUPPLY TO MEET DEMAND. SO THE ACTIONS TAKEN DURING A LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY ARE ALL MEANT TO ENSURE THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE ENOUGH SUPPLY TO MEET DEMAND. ESSENTIALLY, THE EFFORTS TAKEN ARE MEANT TO PUSH BACK THAT 180-DAY MARK UNTIL WE BRING ON NEW WATER SUPPLIES, UNTIL RESERVOIRS REFILL, UNTIL WE HAVE MORE AVAILABILITY FOR WATER. SOME OF THE KEY TERMS THAT WE TALK ABOUT QUITE A BIT -- AND I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE AND DO MY BEST TO EXPLAIN THEM. SO BASELINE USAGE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ALLOCATION, CURTAILMENT PERCENTAGES, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BASELINE OF EACH OF OUR CUSTOMER CLASSES ARE. BECAUSE THEN WE KNOW HOW MUCH WE CAN CUT BACK FROM THAT BASELINE. BASELINE IS THE DETERMINED WATER USAGE OF EACH CUSTOMER CLASS. THE DETERMINATION OF THAT IS MEANT TO ESTABLISH THE ALLOCATION. CURTAILMENT IS THE REQUIRED WATER REDUCTION FROM THAT BASELINE. SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT CURTAILMENT, THINK ABOUT -- AND IT SAYS IT IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. CURTAILMENT, THE MINIMUM AMOUNT IS 5% FROM YOUR BASELINE. OF COURSE, IT CAN BE MORE BUT WE WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING LESS THAN 5%. SO IF YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED A BASELINE AND THE CURTAILMENT IS 5%, THEN THE GOAL IS TO UTILIZE 5% LESS WATER FROM THAT BASELINE. THAT AMOUNT THEN RESULTS IN WHAT WE CALL AN ALLOCATION. SO IF YOU HAVE YOUR BASELINE, YOU DEDUCT YOUR CURTAILMENT AMOUNT AND YOU END UP WITH YOUR ALLOCATION. THE ALLOCATION IS SIMPLY PUT, THAT IS THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT EACH CUSTOMER HAS BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO UTILIZE. UNDER LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY, OF COURSE THE GOAL IS -- I SAID I WOULD SAY IT A COUPLE OF TIMES. BUT IT'S TO REDUCE THAT DEMAND CURVE SO OUR SUPPLY ALWAYS MEETS OUR DEMAND. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF EFFORTS THAT CCW AND CITY STAFF ARE DOING. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS. WE'RE BRINGING ON NEW WATER SUPPLIES. THAT HELPS. BUT WE'RE ALSO WORKING TO REDUCE THAT DEMAND CURVE IN TERMS OF EFFLUENT REUSE. THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT WILL REDUCE OUR DEMAND CURVE. AGAIN, THE GOAL IS TO ALWAYS HAVE ENOUGH SUPPLY TO MEET DEMAND. WE ARE WORKING HARD TO INCREASE COMMUNICATION, WORKING WITH CHIEF WADE AND HIS STAFF. WE'RE ESTABLISHING EMERGENCY CONTACT NUMBERS, UNDERSTANDING HOW EACH OF THESE STAKEHOLDERS -- THE MEASURES THEY'RE TAKING AND WHAT THE PAINT PAIN POINTS WILL BE IN THEIR OPERATION. WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH THE SCHOOLS AND THE ISDs THE OTHER DAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MANAGE A SCHOOL. IT WAS GREAT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT KEY POINTS WERE IMPORTANT FOR THEM IN MANAGING SCHOOL OPERATIONS. LEVEL 1 DOES INCREASE MANDATORY CONSERVATION MEASURES. WE WILL GO OVER THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. AGAIN, THE GOAL IS TO REDUCE THE TOTAL WATER DEMAND AND THEN CURTAILMENT PERCENTAGES WILL BE ESTABLISHED. STAFF, WORKING WITH OUR PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANTS, WILL ESTABLISH THOSE PERCENTAGES. AND THEN THOSE WILL BE BROUGHT BACK UNDER THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION TO THIS COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. ALL OF THAT ALLOWS US TO IMPLEMENT THE TRUE WATER ALLOCATIONS. THE REQUIRED CITY COUNCIL ACTIONS ARE THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY. AUTHORIZING THE CUSTOMER CLASS BASELINES AND THE REVIEW OF THE CURTAILMENT PERCENTAGES. OPTIONAL MEASURES THAT CAN BE TAKEN BY CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE ADOPTING SURCHARGES, AS ESTABLISHED IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. COUNCIL COULD IMPLEMENT SERVICE CONNECTION MORATORIUMS. WE HAVE A DETAILED SLIDE ON THAT. SO WE WILL GO OVER THAT. AND COUNCIL CAN ALSO EXPAND RESTRICTIONS, IF NEEDED. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, WHAT ARE THE MEASURES THAT IMMEDIATELY GO INTO EFFECT? IRRIGATION OF ALL LANDSCAPED AREAS IS ABSOLUTELY PROHIBITED. AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THIS IS JUST TAKEN VERBATIM FROM THE APPROVED DROUGHT CONTINGENCY . THE USE OF WATER TO WASH ANY MOTOR VEHICLE, MOTOR BIKE, BOAT, TRAILER, OR OTHER VEHICLE IS ABSOLUTELY PROHIBITED. AND ASSOCIATED USES OF WATER NOT RELATED TO BUSINESS PROCESSES, WHICH ARE DISCRETIONARY, SUCH AS EQUIPMENT WASHING, SHALL BE DEFERRED UNTIL THE WATER EMERGENCY HAS BEEN TERMINATED. THIS IS TAKEN FROM PAGE 16 OF THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THIS COUNCIL MAY APPROVE ARE SURCHARGES. SURCHARGES ARE A TEMPORARY RATE TO HELP MANAGE THE SUPPLY IN TIMES OF DROUGHT. THEY ARE AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO UTILIZE LESS WATER AND TO DECREASE THE TOTAL DEMAND. THEY ARE MEANT TO ENCOURAGE FURTHER CONSERVATION BEHAVIOR. AND THE OTHER EFFECT OF SURCHARGES IS THEY DO OFFSET REVENUE LOSS FROM REDUCED WATER USAGE AS WELL. THE SURCHARGES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN -- AGAIN, THIS IS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE PLAN. FOR A RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER, THE SURCHARGE WOULD BE $4 PER 1,000 GALLONS OVER 7,000 GALLONS A MONTH. SO IF A RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER UTILIZED 8,000 GALLONS, THEY WOULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL -- THEY WOULD SEE AN ADDITIONAL $4 PER MONTH ON THEIR BILL. SO IT'S NOT $4 FOR THE FIRST 7,000 GALLONS, IT'S AN ADDITIONAL $4 FOR WATER ABOVE AND -- PER 1,000 GALLONS ABOVE THE 7,000 GALLONS. COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS ARE THE SAME WAY. IT'S AN ADDITIONAL $4 PER 1,000 GALLONS OVER 55,000 GALLONS. PER MONTH. AGAIN, THESE TOTALS ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. LARGE-VOLUME USERS THAT ARE NON-EXEMPT, THEY WOULD PAY AN ADDITIONAL $12 PER 1,000 GALLONS OVER 12.8 MILLION GALLONS PER MONTH. WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS IS AN ADDITIONAL $4 PER 1,000 GALLONS OVER 25% OF THE 12-MONTH AVERAGE PRIOR TO MARCH OF 2024. AGAIN, THIS IS HOW THE PLAN IS LAID OUT IN THE CURRENT DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. I MENTIONED THE DROUGHT SURCHARGE EXEMPTION FEE IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS WHO PARTICIPATE IN THE DROUGHT SURCHARGE EXEMPTION FEE. PARTICIPATING IN THAT PLAN MEANS THAT THOSE CUSTOMERS PROVIDE FUNDS TO THE CITY TO SUPPORT WATER SUPPLY PROJECTS. THOSE FUNDS ARE PROVIDED WHEN WE ARE IN DROUGHT AND WHEN WE ARE NOT IN DROUGHT. WHAT THOSE PAYMENTS ALLOW IS FOR THEM TO BE EXEMPT FROM SURCHARGES. SO A LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY, THOSE PAYING INTO THE DROUGHT SURCHARGE EXEMPTION FEE WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM SURCHARGES. HOWEVER, I WANT TO CLEARLY NOTE THIS DOES NOT EXEMPT THEM FROM CURTAILMENT MEASURES AT ALL. THE DROUGHT SURCHARGE EXEMPTION FEE IS ONLY ABOUT SURCHARGES. SO IF WE GO INTO CURTAILMENT AND ALLOCATIONS, THAT FEE DOES NOT EXEMPT ANY CUSTOMER CLASS FROM THOSE ALLOCATIONS. SO NOW I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO BASELINES A LITTLE BIT. SO OUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS -- WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 90,000 RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS WITHIN THE CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS THAT ARE CUSTOMERS OF OUR WHOLESALE PROVIDERS. THIS INCLUDES DIRECT RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS OF CORPUS CHRISTI WATER. WORKING WITH THE TEAM, THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR A BASELINE AMOUNT FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS TO BE 7,000 GALLONS A MONTH. THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURCHARGE TOTAL AS WELL. THIS INCLUDES ALL METER SIZES FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS. SOME RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS MAY HAVE A THREE-QUARTER INCH METER. SOME MAY HAVE A ONE-INCH METER. THIS INCLUDES ALL METER SIZES. YOU CAN SEE THE GRAPH ON THE RIGHT IS VERY TELLING. IT'S TELLING BUT WE ALL KNOW IT. THE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS HAVE CONTINUED TO REDUCE THEIR USAGE. WE CAN CERTAINLY SEE IT. THE DOTTED ORANGE LINE AT THE TOP IS THAT 7,000 GALLONS PER MONTH. AND THEN WE HAVE DIFFERENT CURTAILMENT PERCENTAGES ON THE GRAPH. THE GREEN LINE IS A REDUCTION OF 10%. THE BLUE IS 20%. AND THEN THE PURPLE IS 30%. AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER CLASS HAS CERTAINLY DONE THEIR JOB OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, SINCE OUR DROUGHT RESTRICTIONS HAVE BEEN IN EFFECT. TALK ABOUT COMMERCIAL. OUR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS. CCW HAS 8,931 COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS. ONE THING TO NOTE ABOUT OUR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS IS THE AMOUNT OF WATER THEY UTILIZE VARIES, DEPENDING UPON THEIR BUSINESS. YOU COULD HAVE A RETAIL BUSINESS THAT USES SMALL AMOUNTS OF WATER. YOU COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BUSINESS, LIKE A WALMART OR A LARGE STORE THAT MAY USE MORE WATER. RESTAURANTS COULD USE MORE WATER. BAKERIES AND SUCH. THE BASELINE FOR COMMERCIAL CLASS WILL BE ESTABLISHED PER METER SIZE. BECAUSE OF THOSE VARIANCES IN USAGE. IN OTHER WORDS, UNLIKE RESIDENTIAL WHERE WE CAN GIVE ONE NUMBER, WE RECOGNIZE THAT COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES ARE ALL DIFFERENT SO WE'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH A BASELINE ON THEIR METER SIZE. THE GRAPH SHOWN ON THE RIGHT IS AN EXAMPLE. IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER THAT HAS A THREE-QUARTER INCH METER. AGAIN, THE -- OH, AND THE OTHER POINT -- EXCUSE ME. I DIDN'T WANT TO GO TOO FAST. BUT THE OTHER POINT IS WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THERE'S SEASONALITY WITH COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES AS WELL. CERTAINLY, WATER USAGE CHANGES. WE ALL KNOW THAT FROM THE DASHBOARD. OUR HIGH USAGES FOR THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS IN THE SUMMER. TYPICALLY IN THE WINTER WE HAVE LOWER USAGES. SO WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT WITH OUR COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES. SO WE BUILT IN SEASONALITY. SO LET'S GO THROUGH THE EXAMPLE ON THE RIGHT AGAIN. THIS IS A THREE-QUARTER INCH METER SIZE. THE DOTTED ORANGE LINE IS WHAT WOULD BE THE BASELINE. THE BLACK LINE, JUST LIKE RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S BUILD USAGE. SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES HAVE ALSO DECREASED THEIR USAGE. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST FOR THREE-QUARTER INCH METERS. THAT'S THE ONE EXAMPLE WE HAVE HERE. THE GREEN LINE WOULD BE A 10% CURTAILMENT. BLUE IS 20%. AND THE PURPLE WOULD BE 30% CURTAILMENT. ONE THING TO NOTE, THOSE ARE -- THOSE STEPS MIGHT NOT BE EXACT. FOR INSTANCE, THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN CALLS FOR A MINIMUM OF 5% IF WE DO CURTAIL. DOESN'T MEAN WE WOULDN'T DO 15%. I'VE GOT EXAMPLES FOR 10, 20, AND 30. BUT WORKING WITH OUR MODELERS TO ENSURE WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER TO MEET DEMAND, IT MAY BE 18%. IT MIGHT BE 21. I DON'T WANT US TO THINK THAT THESE EXAMPLES SHOWN MIGHT BE THE ONLY CURTAILMENT PERCENTAGES THAT MIGHT BE RECOMMENDED. LARGE-VOLUME USERS. SO THIS IS A COMPLICATED CLASS. THE GRAPH ON THE RIGHT IS THE AGGREGATE OF THE LARGE-VOLUME USER CLASS. SO THIS IS ALL OF THEM COMBINED. AGAIN, WE RECOGNIZE, JUST LIKE THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, THAT THE LARGE-VOLUME USERS HAVE SEASONALITY IN THEIR BUSINESSES. SO WE'RE WORKING TO SET UP SEASONAL ALLOCATIONS. ONE THING THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I CLARIFY -- AND SAME WITH COMMERCIAL AS WELL -- THAT WE WILL LOOK AT THE USAGE FROM '22 TO '24. OVER THOSE MONTHS, WE WOULD WITHDRAW THE LOWEST MONTH IN THAT PERIOD AND ESSENTIALLY COME UP WITH TWO YEARS' WORTH OF DATA TO ESTABLISH BASELINE. IN OTHER WORDS, THE GOAL IS TO ELIMINATE THE ANOMALIES AND TO PROVIDE A CLEAR DIRECTION FOR THEIR BASELINE DATA. AS YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, THERE'S VARIANCE IN OUR LARGE-VOLUME USERS. SO WITH THOSE USERS, WE WILL DEVELOP INDIVIDUAL BASELINES FOR EACH OF THEM SO THAT WE CAN TRACK THEM PROPERLY. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS, THERE'S 8,931. LARGE-VOLUME USERS, THERE'S 23 TOTAL. SO THAT INCLUDES THOSE IN THE DROUGHT SURCHARGE EXEMPTION FEE AND THE ONES NOT IN THE DROUGHT SURCHARGE EXEMPTION FEE. SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS SET UP BASELINES FOR EACH OF THOSE CUSTOMER CLASSES. ALL OF YOU KNOW THAT'S A HUGE VOLUME OF WATER. WE'VE GOT TO TRACK THAT VERY CAREFULLY. YOU CAN SEE, AGAIN, THE SAME FORMAT ON THE GRAPH. WE'VE GOT 10% CURTAILMENT SHOWN. 20% CURTAILMENT SHOWN AND 30% CURTAILMENT SHOWN. ANOTHER MAJOR CUSTOMER CLASS OF CORPUS CHRISTI WATER IS WHOLESALE USERS. THE WHOLESALE USERS' BASELINE IS CLEARLY DEFINED IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. AND IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN IT SAYS THE MONTHLY ALLOCATION SHALL BE A PERCENTAGE OF THE CUSTOMER'S WATER USAGE BASELINE. THE RAW WATER WHOLESALE TREATED CUSTOMERS' WATER USAGE WILL BE COMPUTED ON THE AVERAGE USAGE BY MONTH FOR THE PREVIOUS FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. THIS IS TAKEN -- THIS METRIC IS TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. WHEN WE THINK ABOUT OUR WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS, THERE'S TEN OF THEM TOTAL. THOSE INCLUDE NUECES COUNTY WCID NO. 4, IN PORT ARANSAS. VIOLET WATER SERVICE CORPORATION. SAN PATRICIO MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT, SOUTH TEXAS WATER AUTHORITY ALICE MATHIS AND BEEVILLE AS WELL. ENFORCEMENT IS ALSO CLEARLY DEFINED IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. A VIOLATION UNDER THIS ARTICLE IS A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR. ANY PERSON WHO VIOLATES ANY PROVISION OF THIS ARTICLE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO A FINE OF NOT MORE THAN $500 PER VIOLATION PER DAY. A SECOND CONVICTION RESULTS IN AUTHORIZATION TO DISCONTINUE SERVICE FOR AT LEAST ONE BILLING CYCLE. AGAIN, I WANT TO CLARIFY IT PROVIDES FOR AUTHORIZATION TO DO THAT. IT DOESN'T SAY IT'S MANDATORY TO DO IT. THIS IS WHAT IS ESTABLISHED IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. THE PROCESS, IF SOMEONE IS ISSUED A CITATION, THINK ABOUT WE ISSUE CITATIONS FOR ILLEGAL IRRIGATION TODAY, CITATION IS ISSUED. THEY GO TO COURT, THEY PRESENT THE FACTS, AND THE JUDGE MAKES A DECISION ON HOW TO PROCEED. THERE ARE REQUESTS FOR EXEMPTIONS, AS OUTLINED IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. PER THE PLAN, THE APPLICATION IS TO BE SUBMITTED TO CCW AND THE APPLICANT IS TO PROVIDE AS MUCH SUPPORTING INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE TO CLEARLY STATE THEIR SITUATION. THE DETERMINATION IS BASED ON AN EMERGENCY CONDITION ADVERSELY AFFECTING PUBLIC HEALTH, SANITATION, FIRE PROTECTION FOR THE PUBLIC OR PERSON REQUESTING SUCH A VARIANCE. THOSE EXEMPTIONS CAN BE SUBMITTED AND CCW WOULD THEN REVIEW FOR A DETERMINATION. THAT BRINGS US TO OUR STOPPING POINT FOR, AS THE MAYOR SAID, FOR QUESTIONS. BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE SECOND HALF OF THE PRESENTATION. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, NICK. WE'RE GOING TO DO TWO OPPORTUNITIES, FOR THOSE WHO WEREN'T HERE, TWO OPPORTUNITIES, EACH COUNCIL MEMBER, AT FIVE MINUTES PER OPPORTUNITY, IF YOU WILL. SO QUESTIONS. COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: OKAY. MAYBE IT WAS MY MISUNDERSTANDING BUT I THOUGHT THE DROUGHT EXEMPTION SURCHARGE OR DROUGHT EXEMPTION FEE, ONLY THROUGH STAGE 3, DID NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING TO DO WITH STAGE 4, WHAT WE'RE CALLING A WATER EMERGENCY NOW. IS THAT INCORRECT? >> Winkelmann: THAT QUESTION HAS COME UP QUITE A BIT. WE'VE HAD OUR LEGAL STAFF LOOK AT IT. AND THE DETERMINATION IS THAT THE DROUGHT SURCHARGE EXEMPTION FEE IS APPLICABLE DURING LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY. >> Hernandez: WERE WE MISINFORMED OR MISLED THE ENTIRE TIME, AS A COUNCIL, THAT IT WAS ONLY THROUGH STAGE 3? >> Winkelmann: I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. I KNOW THAT PERSONALLY, SINCE I HAVE BEEN COO, EVEN THE LAST MEETING OR SO, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IT IS STILL APPLICABLE DURING LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY. PREVIOUSLY, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT COUNCILMAN. >> Hernandez: OKAY. WELL -- >> Winkelmann: WE'VE GOTTEN INPUT FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. >> Hernandez: I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT ONLY APPLIED THROUGH STAGE 3 AND NOT THROUGH WATER EMERGENCY. MILES, CAN YOU KIND OF SPEAK TO THIS? >> Risley: WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION COUNCILMAN? >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE WATER DROUGHT EXEMPTION FEE WAS ONLY THROUGH STAGE 3, NOT THROUGH WATER EMERGENCY. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WAS INTENTIONALLY DONE TO MISLEAD COUNCIL OR WAS THAT JUST AN OVERSIGHT? >> Risley: I NEVER SAID THAT TO YOU, COUNCILMAN. >> Hernandez: OKAY. I'M NOT SAYING YOU SAID THAT. I'M JUST SAYING THIS WAS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DROUGHT EXEMPTION SURCHARGE -- THE DROUGHT EXEMPTION FEE WAS ONLY THROUGH STAGE 3. IT DID NOT APPLY TO WATER EMERGENCY. >> Risley: I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE COMMUNICATION BY WHICH YOU GOT THAT UNDERSTANDING FROM. I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT BEEN OUR COMMUNICATION. >> Zanoni: COUNCILMAN, WE LOOKED -- IT'S COME UP BEFORE AND YESTERDAY IN ONE OF OUR BIWEEKLY MEETINGS WITH THE LARGE-VOLUME USERS IT CAME UP AGAIN. SO IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, THERE'S NO LANGUAGE IN HERE THAT WOULD LEAD ONE TO BELIEVE THAT. SO IT MUST HAVE BEEN FROM PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT -- >> Hernandez: WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE FROM THE AGREEMENT WHEN THE DROUGHT EXEMPTION FEE WAS FIRST INITIATED? >> Zanoni: ESTEBAN WOULD HAVE TO HELP ANSWER THAT. >> Hernandez: WAS THERE A SPECIFIC AGREEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? >> YES. THERE WERE SPECIFIC AGREEMENTS PUT TOGETHER FOR THE DROUGHT SURCHARGE EXEMPTION FEE THAT WAS EACH OF THE INDUSTRIES SIGNED OR GOT AN AGREEMENT WITH. YES, THERE WAS INDIVIDUAL AGREEMENTS, IF THAT'S YOUR QUESTION. >> Hernandez: OKAY. WHAT DID IT STATE IN THOSE INDIVIDUAL AGREEMENTS, IS WHAT I'M SAYING. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AGREEMENTS, NOT THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. >> THAT'S WHERE I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THE LEGAL COUNSEL WEIGHS IN ON THAT BECAUSE IT HAS TO DEAL WITH THE CONTRACTS OR THE AGREEMENTS, EXCUSE ME. >> Zanoni: I'M ASKING MILES TO WHAT EXTENT HAS HE LOOKED AT -- HE AND HIS TEAM. >> Hernandez: I'LL COME BACK TO THE QUESTION. PLEASE REVIEW THAT BACK WITH US. JUST, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO BEAT UP ON ANYBODY AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THAT'S THE CASE. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THIS INFORMATION, THE DROUGHT EXEMPTION FEE ONLY APPLIED TO STAGE 3, NOT TO STAGE 4 AND NOW WATER EMERGENCY. I JUST WANT SOME CLARITY ON THAT. CAN YOU LOOK AT THE CONTRACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? >> Zanoni: JUST SO LISTENING PUBLIC AND THE COUNCIL CAN FOLLOW THIS. SO IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, IT SAYS THAT A SURCHARGE COULD BE APPLIED IN THE THREE STAGES. STAGE 1, 2, AND 3. THEN WE KNOW THERE'S A LEVEL 1 AND A LEVEL 2. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE BOOK THAT SAYS THAT THAT GOES AWAY WITH A LEVEL 1 AND LEVEL 2. YEAH. >> Hernandez: NO, THE SURCHARGE CAN BE APPLIED AT ANY TIME BASED ON YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND WHETHER WE VOTE ON IT. I UNDERSTAND THAT. WE CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT THROUGH STAGE 3. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Hernandez: BUT I WAS UNAWARE THAT THERE WAS AN EXEMPTION FOR -- I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS EXEMPTIONS THROUGH STAGE 3 FOR THAT DROUGHT EXEMPTION FEE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT'S WHAT WAS KIND OF PORTRAYED TO US. THIS IS HOW IT WAS PORTRAYED TO US, BASED ON THOSE AGREEMENTS. I JUST WANT TO VERIFY THAT'S THE CASE. I'LL LET YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE YOU PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO US. >> YEAH. >> Hernandez: YOU SAID THAT THE COMMERCIAL WAS GOING TO BE BASED ON THE METER SIZE BUT YOU DID NOT PROVIDE LIKE A GRAPH TO SAY WHAT THAT WAS PER METER SIZE ON YOUR COMMERCIAL. DO YOU HAVE THAT GRAPH THAT YOU COULD PROVIDE US OR A SPREADSHEET OR SOMETHING ALONG THAT, LIKE A CHART? >> Winkelmann: SURE. WHAT WE'VE SHOWN IS JUST AN EXAMPLE. THE WORKSHOP IS MEANT TO PROVIDE INPUT ON THE METHODOLOGY. WITH OUR CONSULTANTS, CAROLLO, WE ARE WORKING TO PUT THAT TOGETHER AND THAT WOULD, OF COURSE, BE PROVIDED TO THIS BODY WHEN WE BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CURTAILMENT NUMBERS. SO THAT THE BASELINE IS REVIEWED AND EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS. >> Hernandez: YOU'RE TREATING MULTIFAMILY AS COMMERCIAL? >> Winkelmann: NO. WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE IT IS -- IT'S NOT A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS SO WE'RE WORKING UNDER THE RECOMMENDATION TO LOOK AT THOSE MORE AS RESIDENTIAL. WE'VE GOT TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. >> Hernandez: OKAY. I'M ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO BE BY PER UNIT. IS IT SQUARE FOOTAGE? WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT FOR MULTIFAMILY? >> Winkelmann: AT THE MOMENT, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT BUT WE'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION. THAT'S A GREAT POINT AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. >> Hernandez: OKAY. FOR WHOLESALE, IT SEEMS LIKE ON YOUR GRAPH THERE ARE ONES NOT DOING AS WELL IN TERMS OF REDUCING THEIR USAGE VERSUS REDUCTION REQUESTS, I GUESS. JUST BASED ON YOUR GRAPH THERE, WHAT'S THE PLAN THERE TO TRY AND ADDRESS THAT? >> Winkelmann: SO WE HAVE BEEN AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS SO THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THE METHODOLOGY. BUT THEN WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THEY ARE THEIR CUSTOMERS. SO THE WHOLESALERS WILL HAVE TO WORK WITH THEIR CUSTOMERS TO ENSURE THAT THEY MEET THE REQUIRED ALLOCATIONS. >> Hernandez: DO YOU HAVE A BASELINE FOR WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS, IS IT GOING TO BE INDIVIDUALLY DONE FROM 2004? NOW, YOU HAVE SOME COVID YEARS DURING THAT TIME-FRAME SO ARE YOU LOOKING AT JUST A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME OR -- >> Winkelmann: PER THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN AND, AGAIN, FOR WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS IT CLEARLY SPELLS OUT HOW TO CALCULATE THEIR BASELINE. SO IT'S A FIVE-YEAR REVIEW AND THEN A MONTHLY AVERAGE PER MONTH OVER THAT FIVE YEARS. >> Hernandez: OKAY. AND THEN YOU HAVE A 25%. BUT LOOKING AT THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, IT HAD LIKE CERTAIN LEVELS -- SHOOT. I JUST LOST MY PAGE ON THAT. >> Winkelmann: THERE'S A COUPLE OF TABLES IN THAT. >> Hernandez: PRO RATA SURCHARGE ENFORCEMENT. 5% ABOVE THE MONTHLY ALLOCATION. THAT'S ON THE WHOLESALE SIDE -- I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG THING. >> Winkelmann: THERE ARE TARGET DEMAND REDUCTIONS FOR EACH OF THE LEVELS. >> Hernandez: OKAY. IF YOU CAN BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC WHEN THIS COMES BACK. I'M ASSUMING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE ON WHAT THE WHOLESALE IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF HOW YOU'RE GOING TO MANAGE TO REDUCE THE VOLUME THERE AND HOLD JUST AS MUCH AS ANY OTHER CUSTOMER CLASS AS TO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. >> Winkelmann: YEAH. AS I SAID EARLIER, THE WHOLESALE CUSTOMERS ARE A LARGE-WATER USER. ABSOLUTELY. >> Hernandez: OKAY. ALSO, WHAT I'VE BEEN FINDING HERE -- AND THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE MAY NEED TO MODIFY WITHIN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. I'VE EXPERIENCED A LOT OF CONTRACTORS DAMAGING PIPES AND CAUSING WATER LOSS. YOU KNOW, WE MAKE THEM PAY FOR CERTAIN THINGS BUT THERE PROBABLY SHOULD BE AN ESCALATION OF THAT DURING A WATER EMERGENCY. THAT IF THERE'S DAMAGE TO A PIPE THAT MAKES US LOSE WATER THAT THERE SHOULD BE HEAVY FINES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. >> Winkelmann: TO CLARIFY WHAT'S CURRENTLY DONE, IF A CONTRACTOR WOULD DAMAGE A CITY PIPE CAUSING A LEAK -- SAY IT'S A LEAK THAT CCW COULD REPAIR, WE WOULD KEEP TRACK OF OUR MAN HOURS. WE WOULD ESTIMATE THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WAS LOST OUT OF THE SYSTEM. AND THEN WE WOULD BILL THAT CONTRACTOR FOR THE MAN HOURS AND THE WATER. AND IT'S MORE OF A LEGAL QUESTION WHETHER WE CAN INCREASE THAT BY A PERCENTAGE OR NOT. I'M NOT SURE. >> Hernandez: LET ME STATE THAT I HAVE AT&T CONTRACTORS PUTTING IN FIBER OPTIC CABLE AND THEY HAVE BROKEN AT LEAST FOUR WATER LINES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ALONE. AND THAT INCLUDES THE STREET ASPECT OF IT. HONESTLY, IT'S FRUSTRATING THAT WE'RE LOSING THE WATER IN A WATER DROUGHT AND THEY CONTINUE TO JUST, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVE ANY KIND OF SEMBLANCE OF UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE IN THIS WATER SITUATION. OKAY? >> Zanoni: MILES JUST SAID WE COULD CHARGE MORE, IF WE ELECTED TO. WE COULD INCREASE -- >> Hernandez: IF IT'S A CONTINUING PROCESS. >> Risley: NOT A PENALTY. >> Zanoni: NO PENALTY BUT INCREASE FEES? >> Risley: WE HAVE A TORT RIGHT TO SUE FOR ALL DAMAGES THAT ARE ATTRIBUTABLE. THAT WOULD BE PASSED TO THE DAMAGING CONTRACTOR. >> Hernandez: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. AGAIN, CAN YOU CLARIFY ABOUT THE SURCHARGE, WHEN WE DECLARE AN EMERGENCY AS FAR AS THE LARGE-VOLUME USERS? BECAUSE ON YOUR PAGE 16 IT SAYS LARGE-VOLUME USERS NON-EXEMPT. $12 PER 1,000 GALLONS. ARE YOU SAYING EVEN WHEN WE DECLARE AN EMERGENCY, THE ONES THAT ARE ALREADY INTO THE THAT ARE PAYING FOR THE DROUGHT EXEMPTION FEE OF 31 CENTS PER 1,000 GALLONS WILL BE EXEMPT? IS THAT -- >> Winkelmann: THE LEGAL OPINION IS THEY ARE EXEMPT FROM SURCHARGES. THEY ARE NOT EXEMPT FROM CURTAILMENT. >> Campos: OKAY. >> Winkelmann: SO THE ALLOCATION, THEY WOULD BE ALLOCATED WATER, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CUSTOMER CLASS. >> Campos: OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. SO I ALSO NOTICED THAT IN ONE OF THE MONTHS, JANUARY OF 2024. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE WAS A DROP BY INDUSTRY. >> Winkelmann: YEAH. THAT'S ON PAGE 20. >> Campos: YEAH. 20. YOU KNOW, I JUST KIND OF QUICKLY CHECKED TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON DURING THAT TIME. >> Winkelmann: I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WAS GOING ON. >> Campos: OKAY. >> Winkelmann: ONE OF OUR HIGHEST WATER USERS WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF A PLANT TURNAROUND SO THEY WEREN'T PRODUCING -- THEY WEREN'T IN PRODUCTION. SO THEIR WATER DEMAND WAS DIMINISHED. >> Campos: WELL, THE OTHER THING I ALSO READ IS THAT WE WERE -- IT WAS DURING A FREEZE AND FLINT HILLS HAD A -- HAD AN OIL SPILL DURING THAT TIME, DURING JANUARY OF 2024. SO THEY DO THE RIGHT THING, WHICH IS TO SHUT DOWN WHEN THERE'S AN OIL SPILL OR WHEN THERE'S AN ACT OF GOD. YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS. A DROUGHT IS AN ACT OF GOD THAT WE CAN'T HELP. SO THEY CAN CONTINUE, AFTER A WHILE, CAN COME BACK. SO ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT WE KEEP EXCUSING THESE LARGE-VOLUME USERS FOR EVERYTHING ELSE BUT WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH IS AN ACT OF GOD. THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO AT THIS MOMENT. WE'RE TRYING, OF COURSE, OR DOING ALL THAT WE CAN. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT -- ME PERSONALLY -- ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET DEMAND. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS IN THE WAY BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE ALSO NEED THEM. AND THAT'S THE OTHER THING. I KEEP SAYING THAT WE GO TO ALL THESE CITIES AND HAVE THESE MEETINGS AND WE WANT TO SAY THAT WE'RE TRANSPARENT. BUT THEY'RE NOT BEING TRANSPARENT. WHY IS IT THAT THEY'RE NOT HERE TO TELL US? I DON'T NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO CUT BACK BUT I NEED TO KNOW THEY WILL BE CUTTING BACK. YOU HAVE BEEN ASSURED THEY WILL BE CUTTING BACK WHEN WE HIT THE EMERGENCY LEVEL 1? >> Winkelmann: AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID, WE ARE MEETING WITH THEM ABOUT EVERY TWO WEEKS. BECAUSE THEY HAVE SIGNIFICANT PREPARATIONS THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO TO ACCOMMODATE THE ALLOCATIONS THAT WE WILL BE RECOMMENDING. ALL OF THEM, I CAN HONESTLY SAY, THEY ARE CHANGING THEIR BUSINESS PLANS AND WORKING TOWARDS MEETING THAT. YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS SAID, COUNCILWOMAN, I KNOW HOW TO RUN A WATER PLAN. I KNOW HOW TO RUN A WATER OPERATION. JUST LIKE THE SCHOOLS, I DON'T MANAGE A REFINERY OR UNDERSTAND THE SPECIFICS OF HOW THAT OPERATES. THEY ARE WORKING THROUGH ALL OF THAT TO MAKE SURE THEY MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS. >> Campos: OKAY. AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CURTAILMENT FOR OUR RESIDENTS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 7,000 GALLONS PER MONTH. WHICH WE ALREADY ARE USING -- WE HAVE ALREADY -- ARE BELOW. WE'RE AT 30% BELOW FROM THE 7,000 THAT WE ARE ALLOWED. IS THAT CORRECT? >> Winkelmann: THAT IS CORRECT. SO 7,000 IS THE BASELINE. >> Campos: RIGHT. >> Winkelmann: AN EXAMPLE, CURTAILMENT WAS 10%, SO IT WOULD BE 7,000 GALLONS MINUS 700, WHICH IS THEIR ALLOCATION WOULD BE 6,300 GALLONS PER MONTH. >> Campos: OKAY. JUST SO THAT WE CAN APPEASE OUR RESIDENTS THAT WE ARE ALREADY DOING JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO CONSERVE WATER. AND IF WE WERE TO HAVE TO GO TO CURTAILMENT, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD AFFECT MOST OF US BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY USING 30% BELOW WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO USE. THE 7,000 PER GALLON PER MONTH. >> Winkelmann: RIGHT. MY COMMENT WOULD BE THE MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS CERTAINLY ACHIEVE THAT AND THEY'RE DOING SO TODAY. AS IN ANY CLASS, THERE ARE OUTLIERS. THOSE EXIST. >> Campos: WELL, AS YOU POINTED OUT -- AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU'VE GOT -- YOU CAN SEE WHERE OUR INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMERS ARE NOT -- THEY'RE NOT ABLE OR THEY'RE NOT WILLING OR THEY'RE NOT DOING WHAT RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO. >> Winkelmann: WELL, THE DATA SHOWED FOR THE LARGE-VOLUME USERS, THAT'S THE AGGREGATE OF ALL OF THEM TOGETHER. SO I DON'T WANT TO PAINT A BROAD PICTURE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF SPECIFICS GOING ON THERE. A LOT OF DETAILS. >> Campos: RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. NOW, I GUESS LATER ON WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE AT WHAT POINT DO WE DECIDE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A WATER EMERGENCY. ARE YOU GOING TO -- ARE WE GOING TO DECIDE THAT TODAY? >> Zanoni: NO. WE WON'T DECIDE IT TODAY. WE'LL DECIDE IT TOGETHER BUT IT WILL BE BASED ON A MODEL, BASED ON THOSE SCENARIOS. THE MOST RECENT WITH THE FIVE WE SHOWED, THAT A THROUGH E. BUT GIVEN THE GOVERNOR'S INTERVENTION, WHICH RESULTED IN THE BED AND BANKS PERMIT FOR THE WESTERN WELLFIELD AND RESULTED IN THE LAVACA NAVIDAD RIVER AUTHORITY BY NOT CURTAILING US BY 10%, WE'RE UPDATING THE SCENARIOS TO HAVE A MORE ACCURATE TIMELINE. WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA FROM THE WESTERN WELLFIELDS TO SEE HOW MUCH CAN WE PUT IN THE RIVER BEFORE WE VIOLATE THE MANAGEMENT PLAN. HOPEFULLY BY MID-APRIL. WE WON'T CALL A WATER EMERGENCY UNTIL WE CAN SEE CLEARLY WHEN THAT SIX-MONTH TIME-FRAME KICKS IN. >> Campos: I REALLY DO HOPE THAT THE LAKE NAVIDAD IS ABLE TO GET MORE WATER. WE'RE AFFECTING THEM AS WELL. YOU KNOW, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO CUT US OFF, AT LEAST BY 10%. >> Zanoni: THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN GET MORE WATER IS THROUGH RAIN. RAIN IS IT. JUNE IS WHEN WE WOULD GO INTO A REDUCED USE, ACCORDING TO THE GENERAL MANAGER YESTERDAY THAT WE SPOKE WITH. JUNE IS THE 40% LAKE TEXANA. RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN REPRIEVE. CAN I ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS TO COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS AND HERNANDEZ. THE PERCENTAGES OF CURTAILMENT WOULD BE EQUALLY APPLIED ACROSS ALL CUSTOMER CLASSES. SO IF WE RECOMMEND, SAY, A 20% CURTAILMENT, THAT MEANS ALL CLASSES, THE RESIDENTIAL, THE COMMERCIAL, THE LARGE-VOLUME, AND THE WHOLESALERS IS 20% ACROSS THE BOARD. TO COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS' POINT, YOU CAN SEE THE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER IS ALREADY THERE TODAY. YOU CAN SEE ALSO THEN THAT THE WATER SAVINGS ESSENTIALLY WOULD COME FROM LARGE-VOLUME USERS AND THE WHOLESALERS. AND THE WHOLESALERS, WE HAVE BRIAN WILLIAMS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE FROM SAN PATRICIO WATER AND SOME OF THEIR BIGGEST CUSTOMERS ARE LARGE-VOLUME USERS. JUST TO POINT THAT OUT. AS NICK SAID, ON THE WHOLESALE SIDE -- EXCUSE ME. ON THE LARGE-VOLUME USER SIDE, EACH OF THE ENTITIES HAS A CUSTOMIZED BASELINE BECAUSE THEIR WATER USE IS SO DIVERGENT AND THEY USE SO MUCH. WE HAVE WORKED WITH THEM FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS TO DEVELOP MODELING THAT SHOWS WHAT THEIR BASELINE WILL BE. THE GRAPHIC HERE IS AGGREGATE OF THEM ALL. 23. THEY KNOW WHAT THEIR BASELINE IS INDIVIDUALLY AND THEY KNOW IF THEY HAVE TO APPLY A 10, 20, 30 -- NOT TO SAY THOSE ARE THE ONLY PERCENTAGES. SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO. WE'RE ALSO MINDFUL THAT TODAY, 70% OF OUR WATER COMES FROM THE MARY RHODES PIPELINE AND IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO THE PIPELINE, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE ALMOST A FORCED REDUCTION IN WATER USE, IF THERE'S A PROLONGED DISRUPTION IN THE PIPELINE. AND SO THEY'RE HARD AT WORK ANNUALIZING WHAT WOULD THEY HAVE TO DO SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO . WE JUST CAN'T SPEAK TO IT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT 23 BUSINESSES WOULD DO BUT THEY KNOW THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND THEY'RE NOT WAITING AROUND TO FIGURE THAT OUT. THEY HAVE THEIR PLANS, THEY JUST HAVEN'T DISCLOSED THEM TO US. >> Campos: ALL RIGHT. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN BARRERA. >> Barrera: THANK YOU, MAYOR. NICK, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. SO, OF THE 23 LARGE VOLUME -- FIRST OF ALL, LET ME BACK UP. I CAN'T REMEMBER, THERE'S THREE SENIOR CITIZENS LIVING IN MY HOUSEHOLD. I'M INCLUDING MYSELF IN THAT ONE. I MEAN, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE USED MORE THAN 4,000 GALLONS. I MEAN, I'M GOING TO CURTAIL, YOU KNOW, IF I CURTAIL 20%, THAT'S 800 GALLONS. WHAT'S MY PENALTY? IS THERE A PENALTY FOR ME? IS THERE A SURCHARGE FOR ME? >> Winkelmann: NO. IF YOU'RE USING 4,000 GALLONS A MONTH, YOU ARE UNDER THE BASELINE OR THE SURCHARGE TOTAL. SO SURCHARGE WOULD NOT BE APPLIED. >> Barrera: I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. OF COURSE, I'M NOT UP FOR RE-ELECTION BUT I THINK 7,000 IS HIGH. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE WOULD SAY THAT HERE. MAYBE GIL. I MEAN, YEAH. OKAY. I THINK 7,000 IS KIND OF HIGH. YEAH. I DON'T THINK -- EVEN WHEN I HAD A HOUSEHOLD OF FIVE, I DON'T THINK -- WE WERE PROBABLY AT 6. JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. I MEAN, AND I KNOW I AGREED TO IT WHEN WE PUT THE PLAN TOGETHER SO I'M JUST -- JUST TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT. I HAVE NEVER HAD A POOL EITHER. THE OTHER THING -- NOW YOU SAID OF THE HIGH-VOLUME USERS, THERE'S 23 OF THEM. DOES THAT -- IS THAT 23 -- DOES THAT INCLUDE SAN PATRICIO? >> Winkelmann: NO. THEY ARE A WHOLESALE CUSTOMER. YEAH. >> Barrera: A COUPLE OF THINGS. BUT YET FROM SOME OF THEIR CUSTOMERS, THEY'RE ASSESSED THE DROUGHT EXEMPTION FEE, CORRECT? >> Winkelmann: THAT'S CORRECT. SOME OF THEIR CUSTOMERS CONTRIBUTE TO THE DROUGHT SURCHARGE EXEMPTION FEE. >> Barrera: OKAY. SO I GUESS THAT'S THE THING. I JUST HAVE A -- I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW -- I MEAN, ARE THEY GOING TO ASSESS -- WHO'S GOING TO DETERMINE THE BASELINE FOR SAN PATRICIO'S CUSTOMERS? >> Winkelmann: SO THE WHOLESALE PROVIDER WILL HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM. >> Barrera: IS THAT GOING TO BE THEIR POLICY, OUR POLICY? >> Winkelmann: I'M GOING TO -- SAN PATRICIO MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT IS GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM. >> Zanoni: IT WOULD BE THEIR POLICY BUT WE HAVE SAID IT SEVERAL TIMES IN MEETINGS WITH THEM THAT THEY SHOULD FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES OF OUR POLICY. THEY SHOULD HAVE ALREADY ADOPTED A DROUGHT MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH OURS. WHAT WILL HAPPEN, JUST USING THE SPECIFIC CASE OF SAN PATRICIO WATER DISTRICT, WE WOULD REDUCE -- WE WOULD GIVE THEM AN ALLOCATION. WE WOULD HAVE A CURTAILMENT AND AN ALLOCATION AND THEY HAVE TO DETERMINE HOW DOES THEIR CUSTOMERS FIT WITHIN THAT ALLOCATED WATER AMOUNT. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO TELL THEM EXACTLY HOW TO DO IT BUT THEY HAVE GUIDELINES FROM US THAT SAY THIS IS THE REDUCED AMOUNT, ALLOTMENT. >> Barrera: I'M CONFIDENT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE TEAM PLAYERS. I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY -- BUT THERE'S SOME AMBIGUITY FOR US SITTING HERE TO STATE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. I WOULD APPRECIATE IF WE GET THAT, YOU KNOW, CALCULATED RIGHT AWAY. I'M SURE EVEN THE HIGH VOLUME WATER USERS ARE NERVOUS. WE JUST WANT TO PROVIDE CERTAINTY AND A PREDICTABLE REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT. I THINK WE NEED TO GET THAT DONE RIGHT AWAY. THERE'S THE NARRATIVE THAT PAYING THIS NOMINAL FEE -- AND I'M JUST BEING FACETIOUS BY SAYING THE WORD "NOMINAL," ALLOWS EXEMPTION FROM A PENALTY. MAYBE WE DO IT AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO CALCULATE WHAT WOULD THAT PENALTY BE. RIGHT NOW I KNOW WE HAVE MORE THAN $30 MILLION THAT HAS BEEN ACCUMULATED. >> Winkelmann: APPROXIMATELY $30 MILLION. >> Barrera: AND SO, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK FROM A PERSPECTIVE -- BECAUSE THAT'S THE ARGUMENT. OH, WELL THEY'RE PAYING -- WHICH I THINK IS REALLY KIND OF AN OXYMORON. THEY'RE PAYING NOW SO THEY WON'T HAVE TO PAY A PENALTY. YOU KNOW, AND SO I THINK THERE'S A WAY THAT WE DETERMINE WHAT THE DELTA IS THAT RESPONSIBLE PARTNERS WHO PAY THE EXEMPTION FEE AND FOLLOW THROUGH WITH CURTAILMENT, WELL THEN THEY'RE STILL PAYING A FEE OF WHICH THEY WERE NEVER ASSESSED A PENALTY. DO YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING? >> Winkelmann: YEAH. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THEY'RE PAYING THAT ALL THE TIME. >> Barrera: I AGREE. I'M WITH YOU. >> Winkelmann: WHETHER THE RESERVOIRS ARE FULL OR EMPTY. >> Barrera: I AGREE. I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO ARGUE TO THE NAYSAYERS THEY'RE STILL PAYING MORE MONEY, YOU KNOW. AND I GO BACK TO AND I HAVE SAID IT AD NAUSEAM. I SAID IT TO SOMEBODY YET. GIL SAYS MY MOTHER IS SUBSIDIZING VALERO BECAUSE WE PAY $35 A MONTH AND A HIGH VOLUME WATER USER IS PAYING UPWARDS OF A MILLION DOLLARS PER MONTH. I DON'T GET THAT MATH. IF A HIGH-VOLUME USER IS PAYING MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS A MONTH AND HOW I'M SUBSIDIZING IT FOR $30. ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S ONLY 23 OF THEM. >> Winkelmann: YEAH. IT'S 23 CONNECTIONS. I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. CAMILLE CORRECTED ME. 23 CONNECTIONS. >> Barrera: THAT PROVIDES CLARITY. IF YOU COULD LET US KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE ALSO -- OR A FOOTNOTE OF HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE IN SAN PAT. AND THEN OF THOSE CONNECTIONS, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE EXEMPT FROM THE SURCHARGE. I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO WAIT FOR MY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU. SO, IF I LOOK AT PAGES 10, 12, 14, AND 16, THEY EACH INDICATE A TARGET PERCENTAGE THAT IS TRIGGERED BY EACH STAGE OF DROUGHT FOR A REDUCTION THRESHOLD. FOR INSTANCE, STAGE 1 IS 5%. STAGE 2, ON PAGE 12, SHOWS 10%. STAGE 3 IS 15% GOAL REDUCTION. ULTIMATELY, A LEVEL 1, WHICH PREVIOUSLY WAS A STAGE 4, IS A 5% TARGET. THEN YOU FLIP OVER TO PAGE 28, 29, I THINK THE TABLE IS ACTUALLY ON 29. IT TALLIES THOSE PERCENTAGES. AND ULTIMATELY SAYS UNDER A LEVEL 1 OR LEVEL 2 WATER EMERGENCY, OUR TARGET REDUCTION IS 25 TO 50%. >> Winkelmann: I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT BECAUSE I HAD THAT SAME QUESTION. IT WAS BAFFLING ME EARLIER. SO THAT 5%, IT'S A MINIMUM OF 5% CURTAILMENT. SO WE COULDN'T ENACT A CURTAILMENT OF 4.5% OR 3%. AND THEN THE OTHER PERCENTAGES THAT YOU MENTIONED ARE LISTED AS TARGETED REDUCTION LEVELS. IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY GOALS. AND THEN THE 5% REFERENCES A MINIMUM CURTAILMENT. SO WE CAN ALWAYS DO MORE. IN TIMES WE WILL HAVE TO SO SUPPLY MEETS DEMAND. BUT WE CAN'T DO LESS IF WE IMPLEMENT ANY CURTAILMENT. >> Paxson: SO I THINK THERE'S TWO TO THREE VERY CONCRETE ITEMS HERE THAT NEED TO BE -- IF WE'RE GOING TO DO AN AMENDMENT, THEN WE SHOULD CLARIFY THIS. THE FIRST BEING IF YOU ADD UP, ON EACH OF THOSE PAGES, THOSE RESPECTIVE STAGES OR PERCENTAGES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE, THAT'S 35 TOTAL PERCENT REDUCTION IN OUR WATER SYSTEM BY THE TIME WE HAVE ARRIVED AT A LEVEL 1. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T GO INTO A LEVEL 2 AND SAY WE'RE ALREADY REDUCING 5%. NOW WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO REDUCE 10. OR YOU DON'T GO TO LEVEL 1 EMERGENCY WHERE WE JUST CAME OUT OF TRYING TO REDUCE 15%. WE'RE ONLY GOING TO TRY TO REDUCE 5. THESE ARE MEANT TO BE ASSUMED TO COLLECT. TO ADD ON EACH OTHER. SO THAT WOULD MEAN BY THE TIME WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE'RE DECLARING A LEVEL 1, OUR TOTAL SYSTEM REDUCTION TARGET HAS BEEN NEARLY 35%. IF WE'RE TO FOLLOW THESE STAGES ACCURATELY. >> Winkelmann: I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I'M TAKING NOTES. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, JUST TO CLARIFY, IS UNDER DROUGHT STAGES 1, 2, AND 3 THERE'S RECOMMENDED MEASURES, WHICH EVERYONE'S FOLLOWING. BUT THERE'S ALSO OPTIONAL MEASURES TO ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS. LIKE THE CITY MANAGER SAID, COUNCIL COULD HAVE CHOSEN TO ENACT SURCHARGES IN THOSE OTHER DROUGHT STAGES. AND THOSE MEASURES WOULD HAVE -- I THINK THEY MAY HAVE PROVIDED MORE INCENTIVE TO HIT THOSE GOALS OR THOSE TARGETS. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. >> Paxson: FROM WHAT I SEE, OUR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN IS WRITTEN VERY -- IT'S ARTICULATING ALL OF THE PRINCIPLES MAINLY THROUGH WRITTEN COMMUNICATION. WHAT I DISCOVERED WAS A LOT OF OTHER STATES ACROSS TEXAS ACTUALLY CONVERT EACH OF THESE SECTIONS AT THE END OF THEIR SECTION -- OR MAYBE THERE'S ONE AREA WHERE ALL THE SECTIONS ARE CONSOLIDATED. AND THEY'RE PUT INTO TABULAR FORM. AND SO IT TAKES SOMETHING THAT'S VERY PARAGRAPH STRUCTURED AND ADDS A CLEAN, CONCISE TABLE. THIS IS THE STAGE, THIS IS THE TARGET. THESE ARE THE MEANS OF REDUCTION AND HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THOSE AND THESE ARE THE EXEMPTIONS. IT'S A VERY CLEAR FORMAT TO ARRIVE AT EACH OF THOSE GOALS. I THINK THAT WHILE WE'RE OPENING THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, IF WE CAN PUT THINGS A LITTLE MORE LINEAR AND MORE PRECISE, THEN THAT HELPS ALL OF US. GOD FORBID. IF WE GO BACK INTO A SITUATION LIKE THIS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WOULD BE VERY MEANINGFUL IN OUR WEEKLY UPDATES. AS YOU KNOW IN STAGE 3 OUR GOAL IS 15%. HERE'S HOW WE'RE DOING ON THAT BASED ON ACTUALS FROM BILLING. AND SO CAN YOU TELL ME, FROM THAT 5% ON PAGE 16, JUMPING UP TO THE 25 AND 50% ON PAGE 29 IN THE TABLE, CAN YOU HELP ME FIND THE SOURCE FOR THAT? I SEE THAT ON PAGE 27 THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF DESCRIPTION. BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS IF I'M NOT FROM CORPUS AND I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE WAY IN THE BOOK AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING INTO LEVEL 1, WHAT AM I DOING? >> Winkelmann: SO ON PAGE 16, THE QUOTE IS DURING A LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY, CURTAILMENT WILL BE REQUIRED AND MAY START AT 5% OR GREATER REDUCTION OF TOTAL WATER DEMAND. SO AGAIN, WHEN CURTAILMENT, THAT PERCENTAGE REDUCTION IS APPROVED, THE GOAL OF THAT IS TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH SUPPLY TO MEET OUR DEMAND WHEN WE REACH THAT 180-DAY MARK AND BEYOND. SO WHAT THE -- ON PAGE 16 THEY'RE SAYING CURTAILMENT MAY START AT 5% OR GREATER. THAT'S WHERE I GO BACK TO WE REALLY COULDN'T ENACT IT TO START AT 4% OR 3%. IT'S A MINIMUM OF 5%. >> Paxson: SURE. I GUESS I'M LOOKING AT CITATIONS FOR WHERE WE GOT THIS 25 TO 50% AND THE TABLE ASSOCIATED WITH A LEVEL 1 EMERGENCY. I DON'T SEEM TO FIND THE CITATION, I JUST SEE A PERCENTAGE AND IT DOESN'T ADD UP TO THE COLLECTIVE. >> Winkelmann: I'LL LET ESTEBAN SPEAK TO THAT. >> YES. WHEN WE WERE DEVELOPING THE AMENDMENTS OR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, WE WORKED WITH DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT CITIES ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS. AUSTIN, SAWS, SAN ANTONIO WATER SYSTEM, DALLAS-FORT WORTH. THOSE ARE TARGETS AND THEY HAVE EXISTED IN THE DCP OR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN FOR MANY, MANY VARIATIONS OF THIS PLAN. AGAIN, THEY ARE TARGETS TO TRY TO ACHIEVE. DEPENDING UPON THE CONDITIONS, THEY MAY CHANGE. SO IT ALSO ADDS TO WANTING TO GET COMPLIANCE FROM OUR RESIDENTS, COMPLIANCE FROM DIFFERENT CUSTOMER CLASSES TO ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS. THOSE GOALS, WE ESTABLISHED AGAIN BY LOOKING AT DIFFERENT DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLANS THROUGHOUT THE STATE. >> Paxson: REVIEWING THE OTHER CONTINGENCY PLANS AROUND THE STATE, WHICH I'M ALL FOR. THAT'S HOW YOU COME UP WITH A GOOD PLAN IS YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S WORKING. WHAT DID WE USE WITHIN OUR SYSTEM AS DATA TO DRIVE THOSE NUMBERS AS REALISTIC TARGETS TO PREVENT A LOSS OF PRESSURE, ET CETERA. WHAT DID WE USE IN OUR SYSTEM SO THAT IT'S IN HERE? >> WE LOOKED AT PREVIOUS DEMANDS. WE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT DEMAND GRAPHS. WE LOOKED AT HOW MANY CONNECTIONS WE HAD. WE THEN, TALKING WITH OUR CONSULTANTS, THEY HAD ALL THE INFORMATION FROM PREVIOUS VARIATIONS OF THE DCP. THEY HAD CONNECTION OR DATA FROM OUR DEMAND USAGE, OUR CUSTOMERS, TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FIT IN THOSE TARGETS AND THEY WERE REASONABLE AND THAT WE COULD ACHIEVE. AND WHAT WE COULD DO WITH THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS, MEANING THE RESTRICTIONS, BOTH THE OPTIONAL AND THE RESTRICTIONS WITHIN THE DIFFERENT STAGES TO ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS THROUGHOUT THE DIFFERENT STAGES. >> Paxson: TWO QUESTIONS. FIRST, WHAT WAS THE TRIGGER POINT THAT SAID THESE NUMBERS IS WHAT'S GOING TO ACCOMPLISH OUR GOAL? AND TWO, CONFIRM FOR ME THAT THESE WERE NUMBERS THAT YOU PROFESSIONALLY CAN SAY, CONFIDENT THEY ARE ATTAINABLE FROM ALL OF OUR RATEPAYERS, ALL THE CLASSES. >> GOING BACK TO LOOKING AT BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES TO TRY TO MAKE THOSE -- SETTING OUT THOSE RESTRICTIONS TO ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS, BOTH WITHIN THE DCP AT DIFFERENT STAGES AND ADDING ADDITIONAL OPTIONAL MEASURES, IF COUNCIL CHOSE, TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THOSE DIFFERENT TARGETS. >> Paxson: NICK, MAYBE YOU CAN JUMP IN. I THINK THIS IS VERY WATER SYSTEM-SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. >> Winkelmann: COUNCILWOMAN, I LIKE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THIS. SO, THERE'S A DEFINITE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S GOING ON AT LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY WITH CURTAILMENT AND ALLOCATION AND WHAT'S GOING ON PREVIOUSLY WITH DEMAND TARGET REDUCTIONS. WE'RE AT A LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY. WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANTS. WE'RE IDENTIFYING WHAT AN APPROPRIATE CURTAILMENT PERCENTAGE ACROSS ALL CUSTOMER CLASSES WOULD ACHIEVE A RESULT WHERE SUPPLY ALWAYS MEETS DEMAND. BECAUSE THAT'S THE GOAL. AND THAT'S WHY EARLIER I SAID SPECIFICALLY IT COULD BE 18%. IT COULD BE 23%. WE DON'T WANT TO OVERSTATE THAT. OF COURSE, WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTATE IT EITHER. WHEN YOU'RE IN THE EARLY STAGES OF DROUGHT, THOSE ARE DEMAND TARGETS AND REDUCTION LEVELS. I THINK WHAT ESTEBAN WAS SAYING, IT'S JUST BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES TO ESTABLISH THOSE LEVELS AT EACH OF THOSE STAGES AT THE DROUGHT. >> Paxson: I APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU, ESTEBAN. I'M TRYING TO BE VERY SPECIFIC BECAUSE, AS POLICYMAKERS -- THAT'S WHAT THIS BOOK IS, IS A POLICY ON HOW DO WE PROTECT OUR WATER SYSTEM -- I NEED TO SEE THE CITATIONS. SHOW ME WHERE THE NUMBER YOU'RE ASKING US TO DEDUCT OR TO CERTIFY. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR OUR CURTAILMENT AMOUNT. I NEED TO SEE THE CITATIONS THAT SAY BASELINE OUR GOAL -- AND THIS IS THAT PERCENTAGE AND THIS IS WHY WE'RE BRINGING IT TO YOU. ONE, IT'S ATTAINABLE. TWO, IT'S GOING TO FIX THE PROBLEM. >> Winkelmann: SO CURTAILMENT, ABSOLUTELY YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE DATA AND HOW WE COME UP WITH THOSE CURTAILMENT PERCENTAGES. SO THAT WE AVOID A POINT WHERE OUR DEMAND -- OR OUR SUPPLY DOES NOT MEET OUR DEMAND. AGAIN, THAT'S A SPECIFIC CALCULATION. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN ROY. >> Roy: OKAY. THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION SO FAR. I'VE GOT TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE BUT I JUST HAVE A REAL SIMPLE QUESTION FIRST. TRADITIONALLY, WHAT MONTH IS THE HIGHEST RAINFALL THAT WE NORMALLY EXPERIENCE? >> Winkelmann: SURE. I CAN DEFINITELY ANSWER THAT. I'M GOING TO TALK IN OUR WATERSHED. IT'S MAY AND JUNE. JUNE, TYPICALLY, WE GET LIKE 3 INCHES IN THE WATERSHED. AND THEN AFTER THAT, HISTORICALLY THE HIGHEST MONTH IS SEPTEMBER. SO IT'S THE TROPICAL WEATHER SEASON. >> Roy: OKAY. >> Winkelmann: BUT THAT 3 INCHES, THAT'S NOT MUCH AT ALL. BUT THAT'S UP THERE ON SOME OF THE HIGHEST. >> Roy: EVEN IF WE HAD A TROPICAL, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD A TROPICAL DEPRESSION OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, WE'RE DOWN SO FAR RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE MORE THAN JUST ONE TROPICAL EVENT. >> Winkelmann: MULTIPLE EVENTS. THE EXPERTS HAVE TOLD US THEY REALLY NEED TO BE SEQUENTIAL. SO THE FIRST ONE WOULD SATURATE THE GROUND. REMEMBER, THE SOIL CONDITIONS ARE SO DRY. IT WOULD SATURATE THE GROUND. AND THEN A FOLLOW-UP ONE WOULD PROVIDE MORE INFLOWS INTO THE RESERVOIRS. >> Roy: SO MY NEXT QUESTION OR -- I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW THIS. WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK -- AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT I'VE SEEN THAT THE RESIDENTS AND INDUSTRY HAVE ALREADY LOWERED THEIR WATER INTAKE AS A WHOLE. WOULDN'T YOU SAY THAT? IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT AND YOU GO BACK TO PRE-COVID -- I'M JUST GOING -- AND YOU KIND OF LOOK AT WHAT OUR CONSUMPTION WAS THERE. I DON'T WANT TO USE COVID NUMBERS JUST BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S AN OUTLIER. BUT IF YOU GO AHEAD AND YOU KIND OF TRACK WHERE WE'RE AT OVERALL -- I MEAN, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE THAT HAVE CERTAINLY CUT BACK. IF YOU'RE NOT WATERING YOUR GRASS, YOU CAN'T WATER YOUR FOUNDATION, YOU CAN'T DO THIS, CAN'T DO THAT. AND AS LONG AS YOU HAVEN'T INCREASED YOUR POPULATION IN YOUR HOUSE, MOST OF US HAVE ALREADY CUT BACK. ISN'T THAT A FAIR -- >> Winkelmann: I THINK THE NUMBERS SHOW IT. YES. >> Roy: AND I THINK INDUSTRY ALSO. LOOKING AND TRACKING IN TERMS OF WHERE INDUSTRY WAS AT OVERALL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT PRE-COVID NUMBERS AND YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE OTHER OUTLIERS AND YOU LOOK AT NOW, OVERALL THERE HAS BEEN A REDUCTION WITH INDUSTRY. IS THAT CORRECT? >> Winkelmann: I WOULD SAY WITHIN CERTAIN INDUSTRY ARE CERTAINLY WORKING VERY HARD TO REDUCE. YOU CAN LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND SHOW THAT DOWNWARD TREND. >> Roy: THERE HAS BEEN A DOWNWARD TREND. IT HASN'T SPIKED UP AND IT HASN'T MAINTAINED. MY QUESTION IS THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE MINIMUM OF 5% OR WHATEVER, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT -- SO IF -- FIRST OF ALL, IT'S HARD TO COMPARE INDUSTRY TO INDUSTRY BECAUSE THERE'S SOME OF OUR INDUSTRIAL PARTNERS, DEPENDING ON WHAT PRODUCT THEY'RE PRODUCING, NUMBER ONE THEY TAKE LESS WATER. NUMBER TWO, OVERALL WATER AFFECTS THE WAY THEY OPERATE DIFFERENTLY THAN SOMEBODY THAT IS REALLY TIED TO WATER BASED ON THEIR -- THE PRODUCT THAT THEY'RE PRODUCING. I MEAN, WHEN WE DO THIS AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE BASELINE, ARE WE GOING TO SAY WHAT IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT HAS REDUCED THEIR WATER INTAKE BY 35% ALREADY, ARE YOU GOING TO COME BACK ACROSS THE BOARD AND SAY EVERYBODY HAS TO DO 8%. EVEN RESIDENTS, IF I'M SITTING AT 4,000 -- AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT AN ANSWER ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. IF I'M SITTING AT 4,000 AND YOU'RE ALLOWING ME TO GO UP TO 7,000, I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE AN ADDITIONAL HIT, RIGHT? >> Winkelmann: THAT'S CORRECT. >> Roy: ARE WE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING ON INDUSTRY SIDE? >> Winkelmann: SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE LARGE-VOLUME USERS, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A PERIOD OF 2022 TO 2024. IT'S A THREE-YEAR PERIOD. SO, AGAIN, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF MEASURES THAT WE KNOW WERE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN 2025. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE PRELIMINARY NUMBERS TO HELP DETERMINE THE BASELINE. >> Roy: OKAY. SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY, IF YOU HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL PARTNER THAT HAS ALREADY DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB. LET'S JUST SAY WE SET THE FIRST GOAL AT 8% AND THEY HAVE EXCEEDED THAT, WOULD THEY HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL -- >> Winkelmann: IT GOES BACK TO THE BASELINE, WHICH IS ONE REASON WHY WE'RE MEETING WITH THE CUSTOMER CLASSES TO DETERMINE THE FAIREST APPROACH. AND THE INDUSTRY HAS AGREED IF WE LOOK AT THE YEARS 2022 TO 2024 THAT THAT WOULD BE A PRE-WATER REDUCTION APPROACH SO THAT NO ONE IS BEING PENALIZED FOR THE GREAT WORK THEY'VE ALREADY DONE. >> Roy: SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. I GUESS I'M ASKING YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. IF THEY'VE ALREADY EXCEEDED THAT, WOULD THEY HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL BURDEN? >> Zanoni: THE ANSWER IS NO, COUNCILMAN. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO REDUCE ANY MORE WATER. SIMILAR TO THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, THAT EXAMPLE THERE. IF THEY'RE ALREADY BELOW 7,000, THEY DON'T HAVE TO CUT ANY MORE USAGE. >> Roy: I'M TALKING ABOUT INDUSTRY. >> Zanoni: I KNOW. I'M JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. SAME THING WITH INDUSTRY. ONCE THEY HAVE THEIR BASELINE, IF THE BASELINE IS ALREADY BELOW THE -- IF THEIR USE IS ALREADY BELOW THAT BASELINE THEN THEY WON'T HAVE TO CUT ANY MORE. >> Roy: THANK YOU. THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING I WAS TRYING TO WRAP AROUND MY HEAD. >> Winkelmann: I'M SORRY I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, COUNCILMAN. >> Roy: THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN SCOTT. >> Scott: GOOD STUFF. THANK YOU, NICK. THANK YOU, PETER. HEY, IF THERE'S A WAY -- AND INDUSTRY IS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM. THEY HAVE A GREAT STORY TO TELL ABOUT THEIR REDUCTION IN WATER USAGE OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS. IF THE TOTAL IS 10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY AND A NEW ENTITY COMES ON AT 10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY, THEN IT LOOKS LIKE NOBODY'S CONSERVING, IT'S TWICE AS MUCH USAGE. BUT THEY CAN ARTICULATE, ESPECIALLY THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY, HOW THEY PROFOUNDLY REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF WATER IT TAKES TO CREATE A BARREL OF OIL. AND IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD SUCCESS STORY THAT WE SHOULD SHARE WITH THE WORLD THAT NOT ONLY ARE WE SUPPLYING THE WORLD WITH GAS AND AIRPLANE FUEL BUT WE'RE DOING IT -- CARING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT. THEY'RE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM AND THEY CAN PROBABLY PROVIDE THAT TO YOU. I'M SENSITIVE TO THE CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR WHOLESALE WATER PROVIDERS. I WOULD THINK THERE WOULD BE A WAY TO GO -- IF I'M A WHOLESALE WATER SUPPLIER AND ALL I'M DOING IS SUPPLYING WATER TO RESIDENCES, THAT'S ONE MODEL. IF I'M A WHOLESALE WATER PROVIDER AND 50% OF MY SALE IS TO INDUSTRY, THEN THAT HAS A VERY DIFFERENT IMPACT ON HOW WE TREAT THEM. I WOULD GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK TO US AND USE OUR MODEL WITH OUR LARGE-MODEL USERS AND SAY 50% OF MY SALES ARE THE SAME INDUSTRIES THAT YOU ALL HAVE. AND WE WANT TO PLUG THAT MODEL BACK IN. I THINK WE TREAT, ESPECIALLY SAN PATRICIO WATER DISTRICT, I THINK THIS MIGHT BURDEN THEM IN WAYS THAT WE'RE NOT BURDENING LOCAL, LARGE WATER USERS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IF IT DOESN'T, BE NICE TO ME. >> Winkelmann: YEAH. I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THE APPROACH IS WHAT WAS OUTLINED IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN AND THEN OF COURSE IF WE LOOK AT -- WE COULD LOOK AT A MILLION DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. >> Scott: THANKS. >> Winkelmann: BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. >> Scott: WORKING WITH THE LOCAL LARGE-WATER USERS AND WE HAVE COME UP WITH THIS CONCEPT, '22 TO '24, BASED ON QUARTERLY USAGE. AND IF WE TOOK THAT MODEL AND ALLOWED OUR FRIENDS ACROSS THE COUNTY LINE TO PLUG THAT IN AND THEN COME BACK TO US AND SAY REALISTICALLY USING THE MODEL YOU ALL ARE USING, HERE'S WHAT WE THINK OUR ALLOCATION SHOULD BE. CAN WE DO THAT, IF YOU'RE TELLING ME IT'S WRITTEN IN STONE IN OUR CURRENT DCP, CAN WE HAVE A CONVERSATION AND CHANGE THAT IF THEY COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT NUMBER? >> Winkelmann: SO WE'LL CERTAINLY HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND CONTINUE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH SAN PAT MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT. I APPRECIATE BRIAN BEING HERE. I DIDN'T KNOW HE WAS HERE. >> Scott: I KNOW HOW HARD THEY HAVE TRIED TO HELP US IN OTHER AREAS. I JUST THINK IT'S A FAIRNESS ISSUE. THANKS. THANKS FOR TRYING. IF YOU CAN'T, THEN I WOULD LET US KNOW. IF YOU CAN, LET US KNOW. I JUST THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO GO. I APPRECIATE THE CONCEPT THAT COVID WAS AN OUTLIER. MY QUESTION IS: SHOULD WE DO SOME OF THIS BEFORE WE REACH LEVEL 1? SOME OF OUR ALLOCATION, OUR SURCHARGES. I GUESS YOU CAN'T UNLESS WE AMEND THE DCP, RIGHT? >> Winkelmann: YOU COULD ENACT SURCHARGES BECAUSE AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID, IT'S APPLICABLE IN OTHER DROUGHT STAGES AS WELL. COUNCIL COULD MAKE A DECISION ON THAT AND MOVE FORWARD ON THE SURCHARGES. THE CURTAILMENT IS LEGALLY NOT RECOMMENDED UNTIL WE HIT A LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY. >> Scott: I GET IT. IT'S PROBABLY GOOD PUBLIC POLICY, TERRIBLE POLITICS. BUT I GET IT. ALSO EXEMPTION FEES. IF WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE -- I WROTE PEOPLE FEES GO UP -- FURTHER ALONG THE CLOSER TO LEVEL 1 EMERGENCY. IS THAT A NEGOTIATED AGREEMENT? I GUESS THEY WOULD HAVE TO NEGOTIATE THAT, OPEN UP THE EXEMPTION FEE AGREEMENTS? OR THEY'RE VOLUNTARY, I GUESS RIGHT? MY POINT IS IT'S 31 CENTS, BUT YOU COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION THAT WHEN IT GET CLOSETORY LEVEL 1 IT GOES FROM 31 TO 35 TO 40. >> RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO POLICY THAT SAYS THEY GO UP, COUNCILMAN. WE UPDATED THE 25 CENTS TO 31 CENTS. >> Scott: CORRECT. >> IT COULD BE IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT, BUT -- >> Scott: I'M SURE -- >> A FIXED RATE. >> Scott: I JUST THOUGHT IT'S AN INTERESTING PHILOSOPHY. >> ACTUALLY, IT CAN GO UP BY CPI, THAT'S BUILT INTO THE AGREEMENTS. AND -- AND WE HAVE FROM 35 TO 31 CENTS BY CPI. >> Scott: I'LL MOVE ON. >> BUT IT DOESN'T GO UP BY DROUGHT STAGE. I DID WANT TO -- SINCE I GOT ASKED THE QUESTION, I WANT TO ADDRESS COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ'S QUESTION REAL FAST AND I THINK IT'S RELEVANT TO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING HERE. SINCE YOU'RE LOOKING AT -- COUNCILMEMBER HERNANDEZ SINCE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE AGREEMENT, I THINK WHY I KNOW WHERE YOU'VE GOT THAT MISIMPRESSION FROM. THE LAST -- IN PARAGRAPH 3 OF THE AGREEMENT, THE LAST SAYS HOWEVER THIS AGREEMENT DOES NOT PREVENT THE CITY FROM ALLOCATING WATER SUPPLY IN THE EVENT OF ACKNOWLEDGE EMERGENCY WATER CONDITION BY TCEQ REGULATIONS OR BY CITY ORDINANCE OR AS MAY BE REQUIRED BY TEXAS WATER CODE SECTION 11.039 OR REQUIRED BY ANY OTHER STATE LAWS AND REGULATIONS. AND THAT PROVISION SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS US TO SIT DOWN WITH THE LARGE WATER USERS AND DIRECTLY CUT THEM BACK POTENTIALLY. MAYBE PHONIC SO FAR AS TO CUT THEM OFF -- MAYBE GOING SO FAR AS TO CUT THEM OFF IF THEY DON'T EXCEED WATER USAGE OR IF ABILITY TO MAINTAIN TCEQ WATER SYSTEMS. WHAT IT DOES RECOGNIZE IS THE EXEMPTION FEES ARE NOT GOING TO APPLY DURING THE EMERGENCY, HOWEVER, WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE 23 CONNECTIONS YOU CAN WORK INDIVIDUALLY WITH THAT SMALLER NUMBER OF USERS AND RESTRICT THEIR USAGE ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS, WHICH YOU CAN'T DO WITH 30,000 -- A GROUP OF 30,000. AND INDIVIDUALLY UNDER 11.039, WHICH IT SAYS PRO RATA REDUCTION, YOU CAN TRANSECTLY REDUCE. DO YOU HAVE MORE HAMMERS THAT YOU CAN USE WITH THAT SMALLER NUMBER OF USERS? >> GOT IT. LAST COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. HEY, SO THE RESIDENTIAL REDUCTION AND USAGE WAS REALLY BECAUSE OF WHAT? WHAT DO YOU THINK JUST NOT WATERING YARDS? IT'S REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE WE'RE ALL STILL TAKING SHOWERS AND WE'RE ALL USING THE RESTROOM. IS THAT WHAT WE THINK IT IS? >> SURE. >> I'VE GOT TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO OUR COMMUNICATION AND WORKING WITH THE COUNCIL AND WORKING WITH THE PEOPLE THROUGH THIS DROUGHT THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, GETTING THE COMMUNICATION OUT. WE'VE BEEN HEARING IT THROUGH COUNCIL AND MULTIPLE COUNCILS THAT WE NEEDED TO GET MORE OUT THERE TO THE PEOPLE. WE'RE AT EARTH DAY, MAY DAY, DIFFERENT EVENTS, PASSING OUT WATER CONSERVATION, DROUGHT CONTINGENCY INFORMATION. WE'VE HAD ADS ON TV, RADIO, BILLBOARDS, SO WE CAN GET COMPLIANCE, GET ACTIONS. YES, IT'S COMING FROM A LOT OF THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES THAT WE PROMOTE THROUGH THE CITY AND OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. >> Scott: AND ALL OF OUR RATE CLASSES HAD TO DO THE SAME THING, RIGHT, COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL? THEY ALL HAD TO STOP WATERING LANDSCAPE. >> YES. >> Scott: EVERYBODY IS PLAYING BY THE SAME RULES OR SHOULD BE. AND I THINK THEY ARE. ALL RIGHT. AND COMMERCIAL, SAME THING, I GUESS? BECAUSE THEIR USAGE WENT DOWN RIGHT? SO I GUESS THE SAME THING, THEY'RE NOT WATERING THE LANDSCAPE. THAT'S INTERESTING HOW IMPACTFUL THAT IS. IT JUST TELLS ME WHY DO WE USE WATERING LANDSCAPE? >> THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LANDSCAPE ACCOUNTS AND LANDSCAPE METERS. OF COURSE, THEY'RE NO LONGER IN USE. BUT WHEN THEY'RE IN GOOD TIMES THERE'S A LOT OF IRRIGATION AND LANDSCAPING HAPPENING. RIGHT? THINK ABOUT BALL FIELDS AND LARGE THINGS LIKE THAT. >> Scott: LAST THING, SHOTOUT, I'LL THROW THIS AT OUR STATE AND FEDERAL FRIENDS. IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT SOME OF THE STUFF WE WOULD LIKE TO HAPPEN DOESN'T HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY IN OUR INDUSTRIAL BASE, JUST BECAUSE OF SHEER COST ALTHOUGH WE'RE GETTING READY TO MAKE IT COST EFFECTIVE. BUT IT WOULD SURE BE INTERESTING IF THE STATE OF TEXAS HAD SOME SORT OF GRANT PROGRAM RECOGNIZING THE WATER IMPACTS AND THE IMPACTS ON THE ENVIRONMENT TO ALLOW OUR STILL PARTNERS TO RETROFIT SOME OF THEIR OPERATIONS TO REDUCE WATER USAGE. THE CONCEPT OF CLOSED LOOP SYSTEMS. I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD BE THE GRANT, BUT IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT IF I'M IN AUSTIN AND I CARE ABOUT OUR INDUSTRIAL BASE, BUT I ALSO CARE ABOUT REDUCING WATER USAGE, THEY WOULD SET UP SOME SORT OF GRANT SYSTEM TO HELP OUR INDUSTRIAL PARTNERS SPEND THE MONEY NECESSARY TO REDUCE USAGE. [BUZZER]. THANKS MAYOR. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP, HE ESTEBAN. I THINK IT IS A LOT OF EVERYONE DOING THEIR PART THAT REALLY MOVES THE NEEDLE AND THAT PROVES IT. A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE MAYBE NOT WASHING -- I KNOW I'M VERY COGNIZANT TO IT NOT WASHING CLOTHES AND WHAT HAVE YOU AT HOME, SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'VE SEEN OR THAT -- OUR COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT HAS PUT O I THINK IT REALLY, REALLY DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I'M GOING TO ADD ONE THING. AND THAT IS, AND IT KILLS ME EVERY TIME. GO TO A RESTAURANT AND THE WATER AUTOMATICALLY COMES. WE NEED TO INSTILL SOMETHING --W WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT LET ME KNOW BECAUSE I'M READY TO BRING IT FORWARD. FOR RESTAURANTS TO HOLD OFF ON WATER. IF YOU WANT WATER, ESPECIALLY IF YOU GO TO A BAR, SOME PEOPLE JUST, THEY WANT A GLASS OF WATER WITH THEIR GLASS OF WINE AND SOME DON'T. OR IF YOU GO TO A RESTAURANT TO EAT, SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT THAT. THEY WANT THEIR SOFT DRINK. SO I KNOW IT'S AN AUTOMATIC IN TERMS OF HOSPITALITY, BUT I THINK TO COUNCILMAN'S POINT, IT WOULD MAKE A BIG, BIG DIFFERENCE IF EVERYBODY DID THE RESTAURANTS KIND OF DID THEIR PART. AND I ASKED THEM ONE TIME, I SAID WHAT DO Y'ALL DO WITH THIS WATER, THERE ARE FOUR GLASSES THAT ARE BASICALLY FULL? HE SAID WE THROW IT OUT. I SAID WOULD YOU PLEASE PUT IT IN A BUCKET, PUT IT IN PLANTS OR THE GRASS OUTSIDE OR WHATEVER. BUT THAT GOES TO SHOW THE MINDSET AND I UNDERSTAND THEIR BUSINESS OWNERS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE EMPHASIZED ENOUGH AND I REALLY BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD MAKE AN IMPACT. I REALLY, REALLY DO. IT'S A LOT OF GLASSES OF WATER. SO HOW DO WE DO THAT? NUMBER TWO, HOW DOES THIS PLAN INTEGRATE WITH OUR LONG-TERM SUPPLY STRATEGY REGARDING DESALINIZATION, GROUNDWATER, ET CETERA. AND THIRD QUESTION, WHAT DO YOU SEE SUCCESS LOOKING LIKE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW IF THIS WAS IMPLEMENTED AND IMPLEMENTED CORRECTLY? AND I KNOW THAT'S KIND OF A TOUGH ONE, BUT JUST GIVE ME YOUR BEST SHOT THERE. THOSE ARE THE THREE. >> SO FIRST, MAYOR, THE -- IN REGARDS TO THE RESTAURANTS, THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION IN THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, WHICH THAT COMMITTEE IS WORKING VERY HARD. WE HAD ANOTHER GOOD MEETING LAST WEEK. WE'RE WORKING HARD TO COMPLETE THAT PLAN AND BRING IT TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. UPON ADOPTION OF THAT PLAN, IT CERTAINLY WOULD ALLOW FOR ENHANCED COMMUNICATION FOR THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, NOT SERVING GLASSES OF WATER AT RESTAURANTS. >> UNLESS ASKED. >> A BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE. YOUR NEXT QUESTION WAS HOW DOES THIS PLAN INTEGRATE INTO OUR OVERALL WATER SUPPLY STRATEGY. SO JUST TO REITERATE OUR STRATEGY IS TO DIVERSIFY THE PORTFOLIO. WE FEEL STRONGLY AND WE'VE BEEN MAKING SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS IN THAT MANNER. WITH THE ADDITION OF GROUNDWATER SUPPLIES, THE USE OF REUSE AND SEA WATER IN ADDITION TO OUR SURFACE WATER SUPPLIES THAT OUR SUPPLY PORTFOLIO WILL BE SUSTAINABLE GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE SO AS A WAY TO BETTER HANDLE FIVE-YEAR DROUGHTS SIGNIFICANT DROUGHTS OF THIS NATURE GOING FORWARD. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION OR IF THAT WAS THE INTENT OF YOUR QUESTION. >> Mayor Guajardo: YEAH. >> AND THEN WHAT DOES SUCCESS LOOK LIKE IN SIX MONTHS? MY ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS THAT WE AVOID LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY. WE CONTINUE TO BRING ON OUR NEW SUPPLIES, THAT'S BOTH OUR GROUNDWATER PROJECTS, REUSE PROJECTS, OF WHICH WE ARE SO GLAD TO HAVE GREAT PARTNERS LIKE VALERO AND FLINT HILL INVOLVED IN THAT, THAT THAT REDUCES OUR DEMAND. AND THEN WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH SEA WATER PROJECTS SO THAT AGAIN WE GET TO THAT POINT WHERE WE HAVE A DIVERSIFIED SUPPLY THAT WE CAN PROPERLY MANAGE. >> Mayor Guajardo: GREAT. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. CAMP. >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. BACK TO SOME OF THE STATEMENTS THAT COUNCILMEMBER BARRERA AND COUNCILMEMBER SCOTT SAID ABOUT IT BEING MORE OR LESS EQUAL TO EVERYONE, I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT. FOR ONE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS DROUGHT EXEMPTION FOR THE 31 CENTS PER THOUSAND GALLONS FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL WATER USERS, YET THAT'S NOT BEING -- THAT'S NOT OFFERED FOR RESIDENTS ANYWAY. SO NO, WE'RE NOT EQUAL. THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO SAY WAS IT HAD BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE BY ABOUT THE 31-CENT EXEMPTION FEE AND HOW MUCH IS COLLECTED COUNCILMEMBER BARRERA TOUCHED ON THAT. THAT WITH THE EXEMPTION ON THIS ONE PARTICULAR CUSTOMER, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS GULF COAST GROWTH VENTURES, BUT I COULD BE WRONG. THAT WE WOULD COLLECT $116,250 PER MONTH IN THE 31-CENT CENT EXEMPTION SURCHARGE. BUT IF WE WERE TO JUST APPROVE THE SURCHARGE THAT WE'RE POSSIBLY CONSIDERING, LET'S SAY, YOU KNOW, THE $12 OR THE SIX DOLLARS IN STAGE 3, WE ACTUALLY WOULD BE COLLECTING $2,000,172 -- I'M SORRY, 2,172,600 PER MONTH WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS. THE 31-CENT SURCHARGE DOES LIMIT IT TO ONLY NEW WATER SOURCES. IF WE WERE TO ELIMINATE THAT AND WE WERE TO JUST GO WITH JUST THE REGULAR SURCHARGES, WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE GAINING MORE MONEY AND PLUS THAT MONEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR ALL PROJECTS LIKE FIXING LEAKS, FIXING INFRASTRUCTURE AREN'T AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. >> COUNCILWOMAN, IF I COULD JUST SPEAK TO THAT. I THINK YOU MADE SOME IMPORTANT POINTS. WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT WE'RE ONLY ISSUING SURCHARGES WHEN COUNCIL APPROVES SURCHARGES. SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT TOTALS OVER PERIODS OF MONTHS, THIS BODY HAS NEVER APPROVED SURCHARGES PREVIOUSLY. SO IT'S HARD TO -- WHERE THE DROUGHT SURCHARGE EXEMPTION FEE IS ALL THE TIME. >> Campos: I MEANT THE DROUGHT EXEMPTION SURCHARGE FEE. >> IT WOULD BE OTHER TIMES TO COLLECT SURCHARGES PER THIS BOOK, THE COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE SURCHARGES TO ALL CUSTOMER CLASSES. >> Campos: RIGHT. OKAY. SO I MEANT THE EXEMPTION SURCHARGE DROUGHT FEE. WE'RE CLEAR. THE 31 CENTS DROUGHT EXEMPTION SURCHARGE. >> RIGHT, BUT I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER TOTALS FOR COMPARISON, YOU'RE UTILIZING THE NUMBERS IN THE BOOK, WHICH IS ONLY WHEN COUNCIL APPROVES SURCHARGES ACROSS ALL CUSTOMERS CLASSES. >> YES, FOR ALL CLASSES. >> RIGHT, WHERE THE OTHER EXEMPTION FEE IS CONTINUING. >> Campos: YEAH, I KNOW. THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO END IT AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A FAIR WATER AMENDMENT PETITION GOING ON. OKAY. SO THEN THE OTHER WAS SOMEONE ASKED CAN YOU POINT TO A SPECIFIC PART OF THE DCP THAT INCENTIVIZES EXEMPT LARGE VOLUME WATER USERS TO CURTAIL USE BY THE PERCENTAGES SET IN THE DCP PLAN? THAT'S ONE QUESTION. THE OTHER IS ALSO IS THERE AN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM IN THE DCP TO ENSURE LARGE VOLUME USERS ARE CURTAILING THE AMOUNTS THAT WE NEED FOE THEM TO DO SO? SO THOSE ARE THE TWO QUESTIONS. >> THE FIRST QUESTION, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS INCENTIVE REGARDING CURTAILMENT. >> Campos: YES. >> IN MY OPINION THE EVIDENCE THERE IS THE AGREEMENT WITH VALERO AND FLINT HILLS WHO ARE EXPENDING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF CAPITAL MONEY SUPPORTED BY THEIR EXECUTIVE BRANCHES OF THEIR BUSINESSES TO BE ABLE TO REDUCE THEIR DEMAND. I CAN'T SPEAK ENOUGH ABOUT THOSE CONTRACTS. THOSE CONTRACTS ARE GOING TO HELP OUR SITUATION LONG INTO THE FUTURE. WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THEM. IN REGARDS TO ENFORCEMENT -- AND I DIDN'T SAY THIS EARLIER, BUT I WANT TO SAY ACROSS ALL CLASSES OUR GOAL IS COMPLIANCE. IT'S NOT CITATION. THAT'S HOW CCW WORKS. WE WANT TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE. WE TALK -- WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THOSE USERS ON AN EVERY OTHER WEEK BASIS. OF COURSE, THE NUMBER OF THEIR CONNECTIONS ARE MUCH MORE LIMITED. THERE'S A SMALLER AMOUNT OF NUMBERS, SO WE CAN REVIEW THEM MORE CLOSELY. WE'VE OPENED UP LINES OF COMMUNICATION. IN OTHER WORDS, I KNOW WHO TO CALL, I KNOW WHO TO TALK TO. STAFF KNOWS WHO TO CALL. IF THEY'RE SEEING TRENDS THAT AREN'T MEETING WHAT WE EXPECT. SO THAT ADJUSTMENTS CAN BE MADE TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE. >> Campos: CAN YOU POINT THAT OUT IN THE DCP PLAN WHERE IT STATES ALL THAT? WHERE IT STATES ABOUT THE -- THE ENFORCEMENT? >> WELL, THERE IS AN ENFORCEMENT SECTION IN THERE RIGHT? AND THEN MYLES QUOTED, HE PROVIDED AN ULTIMATE ENFORCEMENT REFERENCE TO WHERE -- JUST EARLIER WHEN ANSWERING COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ'S QUESTION ABOUT SHUTTING OFF WATER. THAT WOULD BE THE ULTIMATE ENFORCEMENT. >> Campos: OKAY. AND IT IS PART OF THE DCP THAN THAT IS IN THERE, MYLES? >> I THINK IT'S PART OF 11.039, IS THAT RIGHT, MYLES? >> PRO RATA DISTRIBUTION? PRO RATA DISTRIBUTION, 11.039 OF THE TEXAS WATER CODE. >> SO THAT'S THE ULTIMATE REFERENCE IS THE TEXAS WATER CODE, WHICH IS 11.039, WHICH IS REFERENCED ON PAGE 33 UNDER PRO RATA ALLOCATION, COUNCILWOMAN. >> Campos: PAGE 33? >> AND THANK YOU, ESTEBAN, THE OTHER ENFORCEMENT SECTION IS PAGE 25. >> Campos: I SEE 21 OF 23. >> SO ON PAGE 33 UNDER PRO RATA ALLOCATION IT REFERENCES TEXAS WATER CODE 11.039. >> Campos: IS IT THE LAST -- AT THE END? OKAY. PRO RATA... [READING]. OKAY. >> THEN ENFORCEMENT IS TO PAGE 25. >> Campos: OKAY, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS CLEAR AND EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE. HOW MUCH TIME DO I HAVE? 40 SOMETHING SECONDS. OKAY. AND A MORATORIUM, HOW WOULD WE IMPLEMENT A MORATORIUM? I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE WATER. AND YOU KNOW, I CONSTANTLY HEAR ABOUT THE CAR WASHES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I ALSO WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO LIKE DURING THE SUMMER FOR OUR RESIDENTS THAT USE THE SPLASH PADS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO COOL OFF. I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT FURTHER DOWN THE DISCUSSION? >> THE NEXT SEGMENT, IT'S ACTUALLY THE VERY NEXT SLIDE ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS PERIOD. >> Campos: ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: MILES, I WANT TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE DROUGHT EXEMPTION OR DROUGHT SURCHARGE EXEMPTION FEE. WE'VE MADE THAT DEAL. IT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S ALSO IN LINE ON SECTION 12.1, PARAGRAPH K, IT SAYS LARGE INDUSTRIAL -- THE LARGE VOLUME CUSTOMER PAYING THE EXEMPTION FEE ESTABLISHED BY SECTION 159.1 IS EXEMPT FROM CITY CURTAILMENT OF WATER DURING RESERVOIR SYSTEM STAGES 12 AND 3, EXCEPT WHERE CURTAILMENT IS REQUIRED BY TEXAS WATER CODE SECTION 11.039 OR REQUIRED BY APPLICABLE STATE LAWS AND STATE REGULATIONS. SO WHEN I SAY -- THE WAY OUR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN IS WRITTEN THERE'S NO CURTAILMENT FOR THEM ANYWAY, RIGHT? THERE IS UNDER LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY UNDER -- >> Hernandez: NO, I'M SAYING UNDER STAGE ONE, TWO AND THREE. >> YOU'RE CORRECT, COUNCILMAN. >> Hernandez: WHETHER THEY PAY THE FEE OR NOT THERE'S NO CURTAILMENT NORTH BECAUSE OF THE WAY OUR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN IS WRITTEN IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. THAT'S ONE ASPECT. SO THE REASON WHY I HAD THIS UNDERSTANDING THAT IN SECTION -- UNDER WATER EMERGENCY, THERE IS NO PENALTY FOR THEM NOT DOING CURTAILMENT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE PHONE NUMBERS AND THAT YOU CAN CALL THEM AND SAY, BUT ARE YOU LOOKING TO CUT THEM OFF IF THEY DON'T FOLLOW YOUR RULES? ARE YOU GOING TO SHUT OFF THEIR WATER? I DON'T THINK SO. RIGHT? AND I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE GOOD PARTNERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT THERE'S ALWAYS SOME OUTLIER. IT'S KIND OF LIKE ME PAYING FOR A MONTHLY FEE, SO IF I GET PULLED OVER SPEEDING THAT, YOU KNOW, OKAY, I'LL PAY THIS FINE BECAUSE I WAS SPEEDING. KIND OF LIKE IN STAGE 4 WATER EMERGENCY OR LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE -- THERE IS NO PENALTY FOR NOT MEETING THE CURTAILMENT REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS SURPRISED WHEN YOU SAID THAT IT -- THIS INCLUDED EXEMPTION INTO STAGE 4 OR WATER EMERGENCY. BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN YOU REALLY NEED THE CURTAILMENTS. THAT'S WHEN YOU NEED THE PENALTIES. THAT'S WHEN YOU NEED THE -- NOT ONLY THE FRONT END, THE CARROT AND THE STICK, BUT I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT. I'M JUST SAYING IT LOOKS PRETTY STUPID ON OUR PART AS A CITY WRITING REGULATIONS THAT WE EXEMPT PEOPLE FROM WHEN WE ACTUALLY NEED IT IN STAGE FOUR OR WATER EMERGENCY. >> YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND, COUNCILMAN. I THINK THE KEY, AND MILES, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE KEY IS THE REFERENCE TO 11.0391 WHICH PROVIDES THE WATER SUPPLIER AUTHORITY TO DO THINGS SUCH AS CUT BACK WATER PROVISIONS FOR WATER, IT PROVIDES FOR CURTAILMENTS ALLOCATIONS AND ESSENTIALLY IF THINGS GET REALLY BAD IT WOULD ALLOW FOR THE WATER PROVIDER TO CLOSE VALVES. >> Hernandez: OKAY. BUT WE DON'T -- I UNDERSTAND THE STATE REGULATION AND WE'RE PROBABLY -- YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE IT LINED OUT WHAT THOSE STATE REGULATIONS APPLY TO BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME TO READ IT OUT. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THOSE IN THERE SO WE HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THOSE ARE. I JUST THINK IT -- BY THE WAY THIS READS, IT STATES STAGES 12 AND 3, NON-WATER EMERGENCY. AND IF IT'S A PLAY ON WORDS MAYBE WE NEED TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT ON THAT. I'M NOT SAYING OUR PARTNERS ARE GOING TO DO THAT. I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN WORKING HARD AND THE WASTEWATER CONTRACTS FROM VALENZUELA AND FLINT HILLS ARE IMPORTANT THINGS. I'M JUST LOOKING FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF HOW WE MAINTAIN A CERTAIN REGULATION. AND TO SAY THAT THOSE THINGS ONLY APPLY TO WATER EMERGENCY WHEN IT DOESN'T CALL IT OUT IN PARAGRAPH K, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT KIND OF GRAY AREA THAT YOU CAN RIDE A BUS THROUGH, I THINK YOU NEED TO REWRITE THAT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. >> Hernandez: OKAY. SO LIKE I SAID, THIS IS MORE ME KIND OF CHASTISING YOU GUYS, NOT INDUSTRY. IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? WE DID THIS. >> I GUESS SO. AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH THE GRAY AREA, TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. >> Hernandez: YOU COULD DRIVE A BUS THROUGH THAT GRAY AREA. >> IT CLEARLY SAYS IN STAGES ONE, TWO AND THREE, LEAVES OUT LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY AND LEVEL 2 WATER EMERGENCY. >> Hernandez: EXACTLY. >> I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT. >> Hernandez: THE WAY THE DCP IS WRITTEN IT DOESN'T MATTER. IF WE CHARGE THEM THAT SURCHARGE ANYWAY OR NOT. THEY'RE GOING TO -- THEY'RE STILL EXEMPT. >> I DO WANT TO SEPARATE SURCHARGES FROM OCCUR MAIL AM. >> IT SAYS ROUTE EXEMPTION CURTAILMENT FEE. I'LL USE THAT SPECIFIC WORD. AND IT'S VOLUNTARY AND I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR IT, HONESTLY. I REALLY DO. I JUST THINK THAT WHETHER THEY PAID IT OR NOT, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THE SAME PRIVILEGES. AM I WRONG? >> NO, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE LAST STATEMENT. WHETHER THEY PAID IT OR NOT -- >> Hernandez: WHETHER THEY PAID IT OR NOT, THE WAY THE DCP IS WRITTEN THERE'S NO CURTAILMENT ON THEIR PART THROUGH STAGES ONE, TWO AND THREE. >> THE LARGE VOLUME CUSTOMERS PAYING THE EXEMPTION FEE. >> Hernandez: NO, NO. YOU'RE MISSING WHAT I'M SAYING. >> I KNOW. >> Hernandez: WHETHER THEY PAID OR NOT. LET'S SAY THERE'S NO DROUGHT SURCHARGE EXEMPTION FEE. BY THE WAY THE DCP IS WRITTEN, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO CURTAIL IN STAGE ONE, TWO OR THREE. >> RIGHT, NOBODY DOES. NO CUSTOMER CLASSIFICATION DOES. >> Hernandez: BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CUTTING CURTAILMENTS IN THERE. I TAKE THAT BACK. THERE IS ONE THING. ANYTHING THAT -- WHERE YOU'RE WATERING OUTSIDE YOUR PROPERTY THAT IS A CURTAILMENT. [BUZZER]. OKAY? >> YES, SIR. YOU'RE RIGHT, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT SECTION. I'M NOT SURE WHY IT'S WRITTEN THAT WAY, THAT SECTION K ON PAGE 24. IT DOESN'T ADD MUCH VALUE BECAUSE AS YOU SAID THERE'S NO CURTAILMENT FOR CUSTOMER CLASS IN STAGES ONE, TWO OR THREE. IT'S CONFUSING SO WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT STRIKING THAT OUT, JUST FYI. WE'LL WORK WITH NICK ON IT AND THE COUNCIL. >> I'VE GOT THE NOTES. >> COUNCILMAN VAUGHAN. I WASN'T HERE WHEN THEY CALLED THE ROLE AND COUNCILMAN CANTU IS NOT HERE BECAUSE HIS FATHER HAD A STROKE AND HE'S ON LIFE SUPPORT. WE NODE TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE HE WOULD NOT HAVE MISSED THIS MEETING. ONE QUICK QUESTION. I WAS REALLY CONCERNED THAT THERE WAS NOTHING IN HERE, GALE BROUGHT IT UP ABOUT MULTI-FAMILY. BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY APARTMENTS. IS THERE NOTHING IN THIS WHOLE THING. I READ IT, I DIDN'T SEE IT. WHY WOULD THAT BE WITH ALL THE APARTMENTS WE'VE GOT? >> IN THE DOCUMENT ITSELF? I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHY THERE WASN'T MENTION OF MULTI-FAMILY. >> SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? >> WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR CONSULTANTS TO ADDRESS MULTI-FAMILY DIFFERENTLY THAN THE COMMERCIAL CLASS. >> OKAY. >> CURRENTLY IN TERMS OF OUR BILLING SITUATION, MULTI-FAMILIES ARE PART OF OUR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMER CLASS. SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION. >> SO YOU'RE GOING TO BRING SOMETHING BACK. JUST MAKING SURE. >> THE BASELINE WOULD BE DIFFERENT. >> I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS AND I THINK THEY'VE COVERED A LOT. SO THANK YOU. >> COUNCILWOMAN, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. SO APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE INCLUDED IN ALL THESE MEASURES. IT COULD BE THEY HAVE A COMMERCIAL METER IF IT'S A BIG COMPLEX, BUT SOME OF THESE APARTMENTS HAVE INDIVIDUAL METERS AND THAT COULD BE A RESIDENTIAL, INDIVIDUAL METERS, I GUESS, RIGHT? >> SOME DO, YEAH. >> SO SOME ARE TREATED AS A RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER CLASSIFICATION AND OTHERS ARE COMMERCIAL. WE MIGHT NEED TO PUT SOMETHING IN SO PEOPLE KNOW THEY'RE INCLUDED AS WELL. >> >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON AND THEN WE'LL FINISH THE LAST THREE SECTIONS, IS IT? >> Paxson: THANK YOU. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OVERALL VOLUME IS THE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER CLASS? >> OVERALL VOLUME OF OUR WATER USAGE. ONE SECOND, COUNCILWOMAN. I'M GOING TO LET CAMILLE ANSWER IT AS I CAN'T FIND MY NOTES RIGHT NOW. >> 14%. >> Paxson: 14%. AND APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY MILLION GALLONS A DO YOU DO YOU THINK THAT IS? >> A MILLION GALLONS. I CAN'T CALCULATE. IT'S AROUND 5.5 BILLION GALLONS A YEAR. I WOULD HAVE TO DO THE CONVERSION. I CAN'T DO IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. >> Paxson: SO IF OUR PEAK USE IN THE SUMMER IS 135, HOW MUCH OF THAT WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL AT 14%? >> 14% OF 135, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT -- GIVE ME ONE SECOND. >> 18.9. >> Paxson: AND THAT'S ASSUMING THE AVERAGE OF ABOUT 6,000 A DAY, 6,000 GALLONS. THERE'S OUTLIERS, THERE'S LESS, BUT ABOUT 6,000. >> YES. >> Paxson: AND THAT'S 18. SO AT 100% USE THEY'RE ONLY 14% OF OUR SYSTEM USE, RIGHT? >> YES. >> Paxson: SO TO ME THE SIX TO SEVEN THOUSAND PARAMETER FOR THAT CLASS, I APOLOGIZE IF I INDICATED THAT INCORRECTLY OR INACCURATELY, BUT WHAT I WAS TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WAS SIX TO SEVEN IS FAIR TO ME. THAT'S ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE. IT'S SUCH A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF OUR WATER SYSTEM THAT WE SHOULD BE INVESTED IN FINDING WAYS TO ENABLE OUR RATE PAYERS IN OUR RESIDENTIAL CLASS TO HAVE A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE. WE'VE GOT TO REMEMBER THEY WERE WATERING THEIR GRASS, THEY WERE WASHING THEIR CARS AT HOME. THEIR KIDS WERE PLAYING WITH THE GARDEN HOSE. LIKE THAT'S QUALITY OF LIFE. SO THINK THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE STILL FAIR. OUR COMMUNITY HAS REALLY, REALLY GOTTEN BEHIND REDUCING USE AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO LOW NOW. I WOULDN'T FAVOR REDUCING THAT AT ALL. THE MULTI-FAMILY I AGREE WITH THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE PER UNIT ON A RESIDENTIAL BASE OR SOMETHING OF THE EQUIVALENT. AND THEN I'LL LEAVE THAT ON THAT. AS FAR AS THE SLIDE THAT SAID THAT THERE IS PROVISIONS THAT REPEATED USE TO -- REPEATED USE TO NOT MEET CURTAILMENT AMOUNTS COULD RESULT IN DISCONTINUED SERVICE, I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD EVER, EVER APPLY TO A RESIDENTIAL. I THINK THAT'S A HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE. THAT'S MY TWO CENTS ON THAT ONE. BUT WHAT I DON'T SEE IN ANY OF THIS, AND PETER, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIRECTED TO YOU BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD SO MANY CONVERSATIONS ON IT, WHAT I DON'T SEE IN ANY OF THIS PRESENTATION IS A TABLE FORM OF BASELINE INFORMATION. SO WE HAVE, WHAT, 23 CONNECTIONS IN OUR LARGE VOLUME USER CLASS? THAT'S IT? 23 CONNECTIONS? >> LARGE VOLUME, CORRECT. >> EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE IN A CUSTOMER CLASS THEY'RE SUCH A SMALL NUMBER. WHAT I DON'T SEE IS WHAT I WAS TOLD WOULD BE AT THIS WORKSHOP IS THIS IS THEIR WATER CONSUMPTION DEMAND. THIS IS THEIR ALTERNATIVE SOURCE EFFORTS. THIS IS THEIR IMMEDIATE VERSUS LONG-TERM REALISTIC CUTBACK AMOUNTS, AND THOSE SLIDES CONSIDERED, THIS IS OUR REAL AND NEW ATTAINABLE BASELINE. I DON'T SEE THAT IN THIS PRESENTATION. I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED THAT AFTER ALL THE DISCUSSIONS IT'S NOT HERE. SO IF I COULD CALL UP SLIDE 22 -- I'M SORRY, SLIDE 20. >> WE HAVE THE AGGREGATE, COUNCILWOMAN, BUT WE DO HAVE INDIVIDUAL THAT WE CAN REVIEW WITH YOU FOR THE 23 TABS, FOR THE 23 CONNECTIONS. >> I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE A SLIDE FOR PUBLIC ACCESS, PLEASE. AND I CAN GIVE YOU THOSE BREAKDOWNS OF ITEMS IF IT NEEDS TO BE THAT SPECIFIC. SLIDE 20? ARE THEY CUEING THAT UP? I'LL WAIT. WHAT IS OUR ACTUAL SOLUTION PERCENTAGE? HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER NEEDS TO BE? AND TWO, ARE THESE REALISTIC REDUCTIONS THAT WE CAN ASK OUR CUSTOMER CLASSES TO ACTUALLY APPLY? IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR US TO SAY REDUCE BY 50% IF THEY CANNOT. WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR OTHER SOLUTIONS IF THAT DOESN'T WORK. SO YOU ASKED US IN THIS PRESENTATION TO NOT CONSIDER ANYTHING '24 AND '25. LUCKILY HERE YOU SAID WE HAD A USER GO OFFLINE SO THEY MADE A NICE LINE FOR US ON THE CHART THAT SEPARATES '24 BEFORE AND AFTER. SO IF WE CUT THAT OFF AND WE LOOK PRIOR TO 2024, I DON'T SEE REDUCTIONS IN THOSE USES. WE WERE NOT IN A DROUGHT WHERE WE WERE REQUIRING THAT, SO THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. SO IF I LOOK '24 AND '25, WHAT I STILL DON'T SEE IS OVERALL SYSTEM REDUCTIONS. I'M NOT PICKING ON THIS CUSTOMER CLASS. I'M TRYING TO BE VERY REALISTIC WITH THE POLICY DOCUMENT. IF I LOOK AT THIS WHOLE CHART TOGETHER, THERE'S LOWS AND PEAKS BASED ON THE THREE SEASONS DEFINED. GOING FROM 21 TO '25, I DON'T SEE A STEADY REDUCTION REDUCTION. I ACTUALLY SEE A SLIGHT UPTICK IN EACH OF THOSE SEASONS. I REALIZE LAST YEAR IN THE SPRING WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS WE WERE ALL CELEBRATING AND SAYING MAN, THERE'S BIG A BEEN REDUCTION, BUT NOW BASED ON THE SEASON DEFINITIONS, I SEE SEASONALLY WE SHOULD HAVE ANTICIPATED THERE TO BE A DROP IN THAT DEMAND. SO I AM NOT PICKING ON THIS CATEGORY, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY REALISTIC WITH THIS DOCUMENT. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO -- IF WE'RE GOING TO REQUEST SOMEBODY CUT BACK BY 25 PERCENT, CAN THEY DO THAT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION. SO IF WE GO BACK TO YOUR STATEMENTS ON HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THE 25%, HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THE 50%, YOU SAID WE LOOKED AT BEST PRACTICE, IT HAS TO BE QUANTIFIABLE IN THE CORPUS CHRISTI WATER SYSTEM FOR THAT TO MAKE SENSE. DOES THAT RESONATE? >> MAYBE. PERHAPS. WHAT I CAN SAY, COUNCILWOMAN, IS WHEN WE LOOK AT CURTAILMENT PERCENTAGES, WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT -- WE'RE FORECASTING WITH WHERE OUR SUPPLY IS GOING TO BE AND WHERE OUR DEMAND IS. BOTH OF THOSE ARE PROTECTIONS AND FORECASTS AND THE CURTAILMENT PERCENTAGE, IT'S THE SAME ON ALL CUSTOMER CLASSES, HAS TO BE A NUMBER THAT WILL PROVIDE US -- THAT WILL LOWER THAT DEMAND CURVE SO THAT OUR SUPPLY WON'T BE OUT PACED BY THE DEMAND. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND THAT IS FOR THE -- THAT IS FOR ACROSS ALL CUSTOMER CLASSES, THAT IS TO THE BENEFIT OF ALL SEVEN COUNTIES THAT WE SERVE. >> I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU, NICK, AND I LOVE OUR INDUSTRIAL LARGE VOLUME JUAN%. I'M SAYING FOR THIS POLICY PROCEDURE WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC AND ACCURATE. AND I DON'T WANT TO SIT UP HERE AND MAKE POLICY ON INFORMATION I DON'T HAVE, SO I FIND IT FRUSTRATING AND DISINGENUOUS THAT WHAT I'VE ASKED FOR WEEKS IS NOT PRESENTED HERE TODAY. >> COUNCILWOMAN, WE HAVE IT IN AGGREGATE FORM. >> I ASKED FOR IT IN DETAIL. >> WE HAVE IT HERE AND -- LET ME ALSO ANSWER THE QUESTION THIS WAY. THESE ARE TARGETS IN THE CONTINGENCY PLAN TODAY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WATER WE NEED TO GENERATE. I'M GOING TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE IT'S AN IMPORTANT TOPIC. SO WHEN WE FORECAST OUT THE SCENARIO OF WHERE WE ARE IN A CALENDAR YEAR AND WHERE WE SEE THAT SUPPLY IS NOT GOING TO MEET DEMAND, THAT SIX-MONTH FORECAST, WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE COUNCIL TO SAY WE WANT TO STRETCH OUT THAT SIX-MONTH TO MAYBE 12 MONTHS OR SEVEN MONTHS OR EIGHT MONTHS. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO KNOW HOW MUCH WATER WE NEED TO COME UP WITH. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE FORM OF LESS USE. AND WE DON'T HAVE IT YET BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THE CALENDAR YEAR? IT WILL BE REAL-TIME. >> DO YOU WANT TO LOOK AT MY HOUSE [INAUDIBLE]. >> COUNCILWOMAN, LET ME JUST FINISH. THEY ARE HERE BECAUSE THESE ARE BEST PRACTICE NUMBERS THAT WE CAN PICK FROM MY COUNTRY OR ANY STATE IN AMERICA, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE REAL-TIME DATA THAT WE'RE GOING TO SHOW THE COUNCIL THE TERM REVERSE ENGINEER, SOMETHING WE'VE USED IN OUR MEETING. SO WE HAVE TO SEE WHERE WE ARE IN THE CALENDAR, HOW MUCH WATER DO WE WANT TO SAVE? HOW MUCH DO WE WANT TO PROLONG NOT HAVING ENOUGH SUPPLY. THEN WE SAY, OKAY, THIS IS HOW MUCH WATER WE NEED, SO TO GET TO THAT AMOUNT OF WATER THERE'S GOING TO BE A PERCENTAGE THAT WE DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THE CALENDAR YEAR, HOW MUCH WATER WE HAVE TO GENERATE. COROLLA IS GOING TO HELP US WITH FORMULA-BASED ANALYTICS TO SAY ACROSS ALL CUSTOMER CLASSES YOU'D HAVE TO REDUCE THIS SAME PERCENTAGE TO COME UP WITH THIS MUCH WATER. THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A ACTUAL PERCENTAGE. THAT'S WHY RIGHT NOW THESE ARE JUST GOALS IN HERE THE TARGET BECAUSE THE REAL SCENARIO HASN'T HAPPENED YET. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THE TIME OF THE CALENDAR, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WATER SYSTEMS. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO CUT BY TO GENERATE MORE MONTHS OF MAKING SURE SUPPLY EQUALS DEMAND. >> PETER, WHEN WILL THAT COME? >> IT'S GOING TO COME -- WE'LL HAVE IT WHEN WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF THE MODEL THAT WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL, THE SCENARIO? WE HAVE A THROUGH E. SO AS WE WORK ON THE WESTERN WELL FIELD WE'LL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE. BUT IT WON'T COME UNTIL WE'RE CLOSE TO CALLING THE LEVEL 1 EMERGENCY BECAUSE FACTORS CAN CHANGE. YOU COULD HAVE A RAIN EVENT THAT COULD THROW OFF THE WHOLE REVERSE ENGINEERED SCENARIO BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE WATER AND MORE SUPPLY. SO IT'S GOING TO BE REAL-TIME AND DATA. THE DCP IS JUST A GUIDE. THE ACTUAL REAL PERCENTAGE IS GOING TO COME FROM MODELERS WITH REAL-TIME DATA, REAL AMOUNTS OF WATER, BUT INDUSTRY, EVERYBODY WILL HAVE TO CUT. THE NOTION THAT THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO REDUCE WATER, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BECAUSE THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO SUPPLY IF WE DON'T. AND THAT'S WHERE THAT ENFORCEMENT THING COMES IN. THEY'LL HAVE TO TURN DOWN OPERATIONS, WE KNOW THAT. THAT'S WHY IN OUR MEETINGS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IT ALREADY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> I JUST HAVE A QUICK COMMENT ON THAT. IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN SIT THERE AND TRY TO IMPLEMENT THIS MODEL ACROSS THE BOARD BASED ON -- YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE BASELINE. IT'S THE SAME THING EVEN ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. I MEAN, IF I HAPPEN TO BELIEVE THAT A STRONG FAMILY UNIT IS 12 KIDS, AND I DECIDE THAT THAT'S MY GOAL IN LIFE IS TO HAVE 12 CHILDREN AND I'M GOING TO HAVE MY MOTHER AND FATHER LIVE WITH OUR UNIT ALSO TO HELP OUT, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT MODEL. AND THE CHALLENGE IS WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE BLANKET POLICY ACROSS THE BOARD. WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT INDUSTRY YOU'VE GOT 23 DIFFERENT SOURCES OF -- OF THE INDUSTRIAL USERS THAT HAVE DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODELS ALL TOGETHER. AND SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING. I WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT AND SAY THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT, NUMBER ONE, WE LOOK AT THE BASELINE AND THEN WE PUT POLICY OR WE PUT THINGS IN PLACE THAT AFFECT THOSE THAT ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOB IN TERMS OF CONSERVING BASED ON THEIR BASELINE BECAUSE I KEEP HEARING US, WE KEEP BASICALLY BLANKET -- >> FOR THE 23 LARGE VOLUME USERS, THEY HAVE INDIVIDUALIZED BASELINES. THAT'S WHAT COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON WAS TALKING ABOUT. >> RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE NICE, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW TO A DEGREE ALSO IT COULD BE PROPRIETARY IN TERMS OF -- >> WE'RE GOING TO SHOW IT. IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION AT THIS POINT. AT OUR NEXT WORKSHOP WE'LL SHOW YOU THE 23 -- >> BECAUSE WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHO IS DOING A GOOD JOB AND WHO MAYBE NEEDS TO DO A BETTER JOB AND WHAT ARE THE FACTORS THAT DETERMINE BASED ON THEIR BUSINESS MODEL THAT COULD DETER THEM FROM DOING THAT. AND MAYBE THEY'RE OKAY WITH SAYING, OKAY, THEN I'M GOING TO HAVE TO -- IN THE EVENT THAT WE MAKE THE DECISION THAT WE'RE EITHER GOING TO OPERATE OR NOT OPERATE, WE WILL BE MORE THAN GLAD TO WHATEVER HAVE TO PAY ADDITIONAL MONIES. >> RIGHT. FOR THE LARGE VOLUME USERS THEY HAVE INDIVIDUAL BASELINES. EVERYBODY'S IS DIFFERENT. >> I THINK THAT'S PART OF WHAT -- WE WERE LOOKING AT TO TRY TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION. >> WE'LL SHOW THAT TO YOU. NO BE PRO. FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, THOUGH, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS IF WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT THIS WAY. RIGHT NOW ALL RESIDENTIAL ARE THE SAME, 7,000. THERE'S NO EXCEPTION FOR THE UNIT FAMILY YOU JUST DESCRIBED. WE COULD. WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. BUT RIGHT NOW FOR RESIDENTIAL IT'S 7,000 IS THE -- >> THAT MIGHT BE HARD I'M SAYING YOU HAVE TO BE PRACTICAL ALSO. >> COMMERCIAL WE BROKE INTO METER SIZES. THERE'S EIGHT DIFFERENT CATEGORIES IN COMMERCIAL. >> THE OTHER THING IS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MULTI-FAMILY. THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU'RE RIGHT IF YOU HAVE A FOUR UNIT OR FIVE UNIT AND YOU HAVE INDIVIDUAL UTILITIES IN EACH UNIT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UTILITIES OR IF YOU HAVE A 280 UNIT MULTI-FAMILY UNIT WITH ONE BIG METER AND THE OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. I KNOW THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO KEEP GOING BACK AND MAKING SURE THAT WE REMEMBER THAT THAT'S A CHALLENGE. THIS IS A CHALLENGE HERE. >> AGREED. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER SCOTT. >> Scott: I APOLOGIZE, I WAS SNIP PI. I GUESS MY POINT IS I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY -- I GET THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL LARGE WATER USER HAS GOT THEIR OWN NUMBER. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SHOULD CUT 15% BECAUSE YOU USE AN OPEN LOOP AND YOU ALREADY USE A CLOSED LOOP SO WE'RE GOING TO LET YOU STAY -- >> NO, SO THE REDUCTION IS THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD. THAT'S THE SAME. YOU HAVE TO -- THIS IS BY LAW. EVERY CLASSIFICATION, EVERY CUSTOMER HAS THE SAME PERCENT THAT THEY HAVE TO REDUCE BY. BUT WHAT ARE YOU REDUCING FROM THAT'S THEIR TARGET AMOUNT FOR LARGE VOLUME USERS THEY HAVE INDIVIDUAL TARGETS BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT. >> I GET THAT THERE'S A REALITY THAT SOME COULD DO MORE THAN OTHERS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND OR CAN PASS JUDGMENT AS TO WHO SHOULD DO MORE THAN THAT. THAT'S ALL I WAS GETTING AT. IF YOU GET THAT GRANULAR THEN WE'RE PASSING JUDGMENT ON WHAT YOU DO COMPARED TO WHAT YOU DO, AND I JUST -- IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING. YOU MAKE OIL AND YOU MAKE WIDGETS AND YOU MAKE ASPIRIN. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WATER REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT ARE AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE INVOLVED. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START ON PAGE 23 AND GO THROUGH PAGE 2008, WHICH IS THE LAST SLIDE. THEN WE'LL HAVE QUESTION AND ANSWER AGAIN. >> I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MIKE DICE, INTERIM CITY MANAGER, TO TALK ABOUT NEW WATER METER CONNECTIONS. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. MIKE DICE, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. IT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER ON MORATORIUMS AND AS NICK STATED ON SLIDE 13 THERE COULD BE A PROPOSED COUNCIL ACTION ON MORATORIUMS BUT THAT WOULD NEED TO FOLLOW STATE LAW SPECIFICALLY UNDER TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE 212. AS YOU SEE IN THE SLIDE THAT WAS AMENDED IN THE LAST LEGISLATURE, HOUSE BILL 2559 IN THE LAST LEGISLATURE FURTHER CLARIFIED THE EXISTING RULES THAT WERE ALREADY IN PLACE FOR MORATORIUMS. WHAT IT IS IS IT SPECIFICALLY MIRRORED THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL RULES TO INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL. IT REQUIRES MULTIPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE IMPLEMENTATION AND YOU'LL SEE THAT TIMELINE ACROSS THE MIDDLE. BEFORE ANY IMPLEMENTATION FOR ANY TYPE OF MORATORIUM YOU WOULD NEED A 30-DAY NOTICE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THAT PUBLIC HEARING WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS FOR A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING. IT WOULD REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL AFTER THAT WITHIN 12 DAYS AN ACTUAL VOTE WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN FROM COUNCIL ON THE MORATORIUM. THAT VOTE WOULD REQUIRE THREE-QUARTER AFFIRMATION FROM COUNCIL. AND THEN 28 -- NO SOONER THAN 28 DAYS AFTER THAT WOULD BE A SECOND READING SO WE HAVE TIMELINES THERE. IT WOULD TAKE 128 DAYS TO GET INTO A SPECIFIC MORATORIUM. SPECIFICALLY IN THE HOUSE BILL THIS LIMITS TO TWO MORATORIUMS. YOUR FIRST ACTION AFTER THAT ACTION IS 90 DAYS WITHIN MORATORIUM. WITHIN THAT 90 DAYS YOU CAN HAVE AN EXTENSION THAT WOULD REQUIRE A THREE-QUARTERS VOTE, WOULD ALSO REQUIRE CITY STAFF BASICALLY SAYING AND COUNCIL AFFIRMING THAT CERTAIN ITEMS HAVE BEEN MET, THAT THE MORATORIUM ACTUALLY HAS SHOWN [LAPSE IN AUDIO] THE SITUATION. AGAIN, ANOTHER KEYNOTE OF 2559, YOU CANNOT LIMIT OR HAVE ANOTHER MORATORIUM WITHIN TWO YEARS AFTER THE -- IF YOU DO THE EXTENSION. HAVE YOU HAVE 180 DAYS AGGREGATE OF MORATORIUM YOU CANNOT DO A MORATORIUM FOR TWO YEARS. SO IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. THESE REQUIRE A VOTE OF COUNCIL AND HAS TO VOLUME STATE LAW, TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE >> Winkelmann: THANK YOU, MIKE FOR BEING HERE AND HELPING US THROUGH THAT. AND THE LEGISLATIVE INFORMATION. OTHER TOPIC WE KNOW THAT COMES UP A LOT IS CAR WASHING. AS I STATED EARLIER, THE USE OF -- PER THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, THE USE OF WATER TO WASH ANY MOTOR VEHICLE, BOAT, TRAILER, OR OTHER VEHICLE IS ABSOLUTELY PROHIBITED. THIS APPLIES TO USE OF WATER FROM THE CCW SYSTEM. AUXILIARY WATER SOURCES MAY BE USED. THAT MAY BE AT YOUR HOUSE. IT MIGHT BE RAINWATER. WE KNOW SOME OF OUR CUSTOMERS HAVE WELLS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS DCP APPLIES TO THE CCW WATER SYSTEM. >> Zanoni: NICK, THIS IS A BIG TOPIC FOR THE COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY. TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE CAR WASHES. THERE ARE NUMEROUS TYPES OF CAR WASHES. THE QUICK QUACK-TYPE CAR WASHES, THE WAND CAR WASHES, YOU SEE THEM AT GAS STATIONS. THEY'RE AT H-E-Bs. BUT IF THEY'RE HOOKED UP TO THE CITY'S WATER SYSTEM THEN YOU CAN'T OPERATE THE CAR WASH. IS THAT CORRECT? >> Winkelmann: YEAH. SO HOW IT'S STATED IS THE CAR WASHES ARE PROHIBITED, WHICH MEANS THE ACTUAL ACT OF WASHING THE CAR IS PROHIBITED. >> Zanoni: IF THEY'RE HOOKED UP TO THE CITY'S CCW WATER SYSTEM AND THAT'S THEIR ONLY WATER SOURCE, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO OPERATE. >> Winkelmann: CORRECT. THEY WOULD NEED AN ADDITIONAL OR AUXILIARY WATER SOURCE. >> Zanoni: THE CAR WASH FACILITY WOULD HAVE TO BRING IN WATER FROM SOME OTHER LOCATION. >> Mayor Guajardo: DO WE KNOW HOW MANY ARE HOOKED UP TO THE CITY'S? >> Zanoni: WE HAVE DONE A GENERAL ANALYSIS ON USAGE. CAR WASHES, IF THEY DON'T HAVE WATER FROM SOME OTHER SOURCE, LIKE A WELL OR IF THEY TRUCK IT IN, IT WILL BE PROHIBITED TO BE IN OPERATION. >> Mayor Guajardo: RIGHT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW HOW MANY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT. >> Zanoni: WE'LL GET YOU THE NUMBER. >> Mayor Guajardo: WHICH WOULD BE SIMPLE TO FIND OUT. >> Winkelmann: YEAH. I'VE GOT THAT. SWIMMING POOLS IS ANOTHER TOPIC THAT COMES UP. THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN PAGE 89 STATES THE FILLING AND REFILLING OR ADDING OF WATER TO SWIMMING POOLS, WADING POOLS, AND JACUZZI-TYPE POOLS AND HOT TUBS IS PROHIBITED EXCEPT TO MAINTAIN STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY. SO ONE THING THAT I THINK STAFF HAS DONE A GOOD JOB IN INSTRUCTING THE COMMUNITY, THERE ARE MEASURES TO TAKE FOR SWIMMING POOLS. SHOWN IN THE PICTURE IS A POOL COVER TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF EVAPORATION. ADDITIONALLY, I KNOW THERE'S CHEMICALS TO PUT IN THE POOL TO LIMIT EVAPORATION. THE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS, WORKING WITH OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO PREPARE A PLAN FOR THE CITY POOLS, CITY OWNED AND OPERATED POOLS. THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT AND THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK WITH THAT INFORMATION. INCLUDING SPLASH PADS AS WELL. WE DO KNOW SPLASH PADS, THE RATE OF EVAPORATION IS VERY HIGH, OF COURSE. BUT WE'VE ASKED THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO DEVELOP A PLAN AND THEY'LL COME BACK TO ALL OF US WITH THAT. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. >> Winkelmann: AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF ESSENTIAL WATER USAGE. STAFF HAS BEEN LOOKING THROUGH THAT AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS IN THE DCP TO DEFINE ESSENTIAL WATER USAGE AS WATER USE NECESSARY TO SUSTAIN PUBLIC HEALTH WELFARE SAFETY SANITATION, AND FIRE PROTECTION. THIS WOULD BE ADDED TO THE DEFINITIONS OF THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. ADDITIONALLY, IT'S IMPORTANT -- AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE -- A TRUE DEFINITION OF AUXILIARY WATER SUPPLY OR ALTERNATE WATER SUPPLY. SO WATER SUPPLY FROM A SOURCE THAT DOES NOT ORIGINATE FROM THE CORPUS CHRISTI WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM, WHETHER TREATED OR RAW. SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY A WELL, A HOME WELL. THINKING ABOUT RAINWATER CAPTURE, RAIN BARRELS. THINKING ABOUT THE EFFLUENT REUSE PROGRAM WHERE RESIDENTS CAN COME TO THE OSO WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND PICK UP REUSE. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN PEOPLE ACTUALLY TRUCK WATER IN FROM ANOTHER SYSTEM. ONE OF THE KEY POINTS I JUST WANT TO MAKE IS THAT THIS DCP IS ENTIRELY FOCUSED ON THE CORPUS CHRISTI WATER SYSTEM. WHEREAS THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN FOCUSES ON WATER CONSERVATION IN A MORE GENERAL ASPECT AS WELL. AND I DO WANT TO -- WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WELLS. THERE ARE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS AND ORDINANCES FOR WELLS. IT'S JUST A REMINDER TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON INTENDING TO INSTALL A WELL, PLEASE REACH OUT TO THE CORPUS CHRISTI AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY CONSERVATION DISTRICT. ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE CROSS-CONNECTION MEASURES THAT ARE REQUIRED TO ENSURE THAT OUR WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM REMAINS SAFE. SO THESE DEFINITIONS, THEY WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE AN AMENDMENT. BUT WE HAVE ASKED STAFF TO WORK THROUGH THIS AND THIS IS WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS. WHAT ARE OUR NEXT STEPS? THERE WAS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDATION ON ESSENTIAL WATER USAGE AND AUXILIARY WATER. THAT'S WHAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT. WE'RE FORECASTING THAT TO GO FORWARD ON THE APRIL 14th COUNCIL MEETING. THE APRIL 14th OR 21st COUNCIL MEETING WOULD BE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF SURCHARGES AND ALLOCATIONS. A REMINDER THAT THOSE WOULD NOT GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL THE DATE OF LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY. AND THEN THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP IS APRIL 28th. AND THEN OF COURSE NEXT STEPS WE ALSO HAVE OTHER POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL. >> Mayor Guajardo: OKAY. NICK, THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILMAN SCOTT. >> Scott: HEY, ARE WE TALKING TO THE TOURISM INDUSTRY ABOUT POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO THEM? JUST THINKING ABOUT ALL THE FISHERMEN, FISHER PEOPLE. >> Zanoni: WE ARE. BROOK KAUFMAN, THE CEO OF VISIT CORPUS CHRISTI AND I AND THE EXECUTIVE TEAM, IN THE LAST MEETING, SPENT TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS SITUATION. THEY ARE GOING TO HIRE -- AND WE'RE GOING TO PARTNER WITH THEM -- A CONSULTANT THAT WILL HELP ON MESSAGING. AND SO THAT'S UNDERWAY. >> Scott: JUST THINKING OF ALL THE RECREATIONAL AND PROFESSIONAL FISHING GUIDES WHO ARE OUT OF CORPUS CHRISTI. I THINK YOU HAVE TO FLUSH YOUR MOTOR. I DON'T OWN A BOAT. I THINK YOU HAVE TO FLUSH YOUR MOTOR ANY TIME YOU'RE OUT IN SALTWATER. UNDER THIS RULE, YOU COULDN'T USE CITY WATER TO FLUSH THE MOTOR. >> Zanoni: THAT'S CORRECT. >> Scott: SO I GUESS THE ANSWER WOULD BE -- JUST CURIOUS. HAVE WE THOUGHT THAT THROUGH? SO THEY COULD APPLY FOR A VARIANCE? >> Winkelmann: YEAH. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE IS A VARIANCE PROVISION IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. PART OF THIS WORKSHOP TODAY WAS TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE THAT THAT DID EXIST. >> Scott: SO IF I OWN A BOAT AND I GO OUT FISHING, I APPLY FOR A VARIANCE TO BE ABLE TO FLUSH MY BOAT AT THE HOUSE, I GUESS. THAT'S INTERESTING. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WORKS. AND MY RESPONSE BY THE WAY IS, OKAY. WE HAVE JUST RUN OUT OF WATER. I'M NOT PICKING ON ANY OF US HERE BUT I THINK THE FISHING INDUSTRY IS A BIG PART OF OUR TOURISM ECONOMY AND I DON'T KNOW THAT INDIVIDUAL -- I GUESS PROFESSIONAL, I COULD SEE WHERE PROFESSIONAL FISHING GUIDES COULD ASK FOR VARIANCES BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING THAT EVERY DAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WATER IT USES AND I DON'T KNOW -- YOU COULD BRING IN OTHER WATER SOURCES AND FLUSH IT THAT WAY. I THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE WE SHOULD THINK THROUGH. THAT'S ALL. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: OKAY. ON THE RESIDENTIAL TAP MORATORIUM, I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED TO SEE THAT IN THE SENSE I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 18 OF YOUR PRESENTATION WHERE IT SAYS RESIDENTIAL USAGE HAS DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY OR HAS MET REQUIREMENTS. SO I'M THINKING HOW MANY RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS DO WE HAVE AND HAS THAT CHANGED OVER TIME TO WHERE -- I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR POPULATION, WE HAVEN'T REALLY INCREASED THAT MUCH. I'M TRYING TO GET THE CORRELATION HERE. >> Winkelmann: SO THERE ARE 90,625 RESIDENTIAL CONNECTIONS. >> Hernandez: HAS THAT BEEN CONSISTENT OVER THE YEARS? >> Winkelmann: I'LL GET YOU THE EXACT INFORMATION, BUT I WOULD SAY IT'S FAIRLY CONSISTENT. I MEAN, IT GOES UP -- TYPICALLY, I KNOW WHEN THE HOUSING INDUSTRY WAS DOING WELL, IT WAS ABOUT A THOUSAND NEW HOMES A YEAR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT DATA IS BUT MIKE DICE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT. >> Hernandez: WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF YOU HAVE MIGRATION FROM ONE AREA OF THE CITY TO THE OTHER. SO THERE MAY BE A TAP BUT THERE MIGHT NOT BE AN ACTIVE ACCOUNT. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND, NOT JUST FROM ADDING NEW TAPS OR NEW PERMITS, BUT ALSO WHAT IS OUR TOTAL NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS YEAR OVER YEAR TO SEE IF WE'RE HAVING THIS INCREASE OR NOT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING YOU SHUTTING DOWN MOBILIZATION OF BUSINESSES BY DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHEN I WANT TO KNOW IF IT REALLY HAS IMPACT, CONSIDERING THE USAGE OF RESIDENTIAL USAGE. >> AND AGAIN, MIKE DICE, INTERIM ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. THE TREND THAT WE HAVE HAD OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAS BEEN ANYWHERE FROM A THOUSAND TO, AT ONE POINT WE WERE AT 1500 NEW RESIDENTIAL PERMITS. THOSE WOULD BE NEW ACCOUNTS COMING ONLINE. IN ADDITION TO COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS, WE DO ABOUT 180 NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDING PERMITS A YEAR. THAT'S THE THING FOR COUNCIL TO DECIDE IF A MORATORIUM IS WHAT COUNCIL WOULD WANT. THOSE ARE THE STEPS, AS LAID OUT BY STATE LAW, HOW THAT WOULD BE DONE. >> Hernandez: OKAY. I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT ON WHAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH BUT I'M ASKING ON HIM IS THE AMOUNT OF ACCOUNTS AND ARE THEY INCREASING OR DECREASING. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING CLOSE HERE AND OPEN UP OVER HERE AND THIS ISN'T USING WATER ANYMORE -- LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I'LL USE HILLCREST AS AN EXAMPLE. THEY HAD A LOT MORE HOUSES BEFORE THE BRIDGE, RIGHT? THERE'S LESS TAPS OVER THERE. SO THERE'S LESS ACCOUNTS. BUT THEN THERE'S MORE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. I WANT TO KNOW THE BALANCE HERE BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION TO STOP SOMETHING. IF YOU DON'T SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE. >> Winkelmann: WE CAN GET YOU A HISTORICAL LOOK BACK ON ACTIVE ACCOUNTS YEARLY. I THINK YEARLY IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. >> Hernandez: I'M ALSO LOOKING AT AVERAGE USE PER HOUSEHOLD. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO STOP SOMETHING THEY'RE DOING OR SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IN GETTING STUFF DONE AND MAKING A DECISION AND INSTEAD LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE INFORMATION-INFORMED DECISIONS. OKAY? >> Zanoni: WE'LL GET YOU THAT. >> Winkelmann: WE CAN GET YOU THAT COUNCILMAN. >> Zanoni: JUST TO REPEAT WHAT WAS SAID HERE. THE STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING THAT WE PUT A MORATORIUM ON NEW METERS. WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT TODAY. JUST SO THE PUBLIC IS AWARE. >> Hernandez: I'M JUST SAYING YOU BROUGHT IT UP. IF YOU DO DECIDE TO DO THAT, MAKE SURE YOU BRING US INFORMATION AS TO THE NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS, NOT JUST THE TAPS, BUT THE ACCOUNTS. >> Zanoni: YEAH. >> Hernandez: I ALSO WANT TO HAVE SOME MORE DETAIL. I KNOW IT'S IN THE DCP BUT I WANT TO HAVE SOME MORE DETAIL ON THESE CAR WASHES, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ARE SUPPOSEDLY RECYCLING. IN TERMS OF HOW THEY ARE USED IN TERMS OF COMMERCIAL BUSINESS AND THE SIZE OF THE METER. YOU KNOW, TO COUNCILMAN SCOTT'S POINT, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU DO THAT YOU HAVE TO PROTECT YOUR EQUIPMENT WITH BY WASHING STUFF OUT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT IT HOLISTICALLY AND NOT JUST HAVE, OH, WE'RE GOING TO STOP THIS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN. >> Vaughn: THAT'S A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE BOATS BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE TO CLEAN THEIR MOTORS. AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, JUST LIKE THE ONES THAT ARE WATERING THEIR LAWNS. THEY HAVE THESE BIG TRAILERS. THEY HAVE THE BIG HOSE. THAT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY -- HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE TO USE IT. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE HAVE TO DO AS OUR CITY, NO MATTER WHEN WE GET OUT OF THIS, IS CONSERVING. I DON'T THINK WE SHOWED CONSERVATION TO THE PUBLIC TO TRY AND HELP THEM ON THE THINGS THEY CAN DO. A LOT OF PEOPLE, CITIZENS HAVE GOOD IDEAS OUT THERE BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IS THOSE RAIN BARRELS. DO WE HAVE THE RAIN BARRELS? >> Winkelmann: YEAH. THEY ARE AVAILABLE AT CCW. YOU CAN PURCHASE THEM AT CITY HALL AND THEN YOU GO TO CCW, 2726 HOLLY TO PICK THEM UP. >> Vaughn: HOW ARE ARE THEY? >> Winkelmann: $47. I BOUGHT ONE TWO WEEKS AGO. MY SECOND ONE. >> Vaughn: THAT'S REALLY PRICEY. >> Winkelmann: THAT'S COST. I HAVE SEEN OTHER RAIN BARRELS CHARGE 65 TO $70. BUT IT'S ONLY COST. >> Vaughn: IT'S 2726 HOLLY, IS WHAT YOU SAID? >> Winkelmann: CORRECT. BUT YOU PURCHASE THEM AT CITY HALL AT THE CENTRAL CASHIER'S OFFICE. >> Vaughn: THEN YOU HAVE TO PICK THEM UP YOURSELF. >> Winkelmann: THAT'S CORRECT. >> Vaughn: WE DO HAVE A POSSIBILITY OF RAIN. IT WOULDN'T BE BAD TO HAVE THEM. THAT'S MY BIGGEST ISSUE HERE IS I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH WAYS FOR THEM TO CONSERVE. BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A DROUGHT AGAIN. WE KNOW WE'LL GET WATER BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A DROUGHT AGAIN. THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE COULD BUY IN BULK AND GET THOSE THINGS CHEAPER? >> [OFF MIC] >> Vaughn: YOU DO BUY THEM BULK? >> Winkelmann: ESTEBAN, MAYBE YOU CAN TALK TO HOW MANY WE ORDER. >> AT ANY GIVEN TIME, WE ORDER APPROXIMATELY 300. THAT FITS IN THE LARGE 18-WHEELER. IT'S A VERY POPULAR PROGRAM. MY TEAM IS TALKING TO CUSTOMERS ALL THE TIME ABOUT IT AND PROMOTING IT. IT'S A VERY GOOD DEAL COMPARED TO IF YOU GO TO LOWE'S, IF YOU GO TO DIFFERENT PLACES ONLINE. IT'S AFFORDABLE. I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS HAS PURCHASED RAIN BARRELS FROM US. I CONTINUE TO PROMOTE IT. WE HELP WITH THE MASTER GARDENERS TO PROMOTE IT ALSO. IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM. >> Vaughn: YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ABSOLUTELY CANNOT AFFORD THEM. SO MAYBE WE MIGHT COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO HELP SOME OF THE ONES THAT CAN'T. JUST A SUGGESTION. OKAY. THANKS. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU. SO WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON ESTABLISHING WHAT WE WANT TO DO FOR -- WHAT WAS YOUR LAST SLIDE? >> Winkelmann: THE NEXT STEPS, COUNCILWOMAN? >> Paxson: UNDER YOUR NEXT STEPS. BASICALLY, APPROVAL OF SURCHARGES AND ALLOCATIONS. THAT WOULD BE PAGE 16. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WOULD COME BEFORE US NEXT? AFTER THE UPDATE ON THESE DEFINITIONS? >> Winkelmann: RIGHT. 16 IS THE SURCHARGES. SO IF THIS COUNCIL MOVED TO APPROVE THE SURCHARGES -- >> Paxson: BUT ALSO ALLOCATIONS. >> Winkelmann: WHAT'S THAT? >> Paxson: BUT ALSO ALLOCATIONS. >> Winkelmann: RIGHT. WE WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND THE SURCHARGES AND RECOMMEND THE BASELINE, THE CURTAILMENT PERCENTAGE RESULTING IN THE ALLOCATIONS. >> Paxson: AND THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE TABLE ON 16? >> Winkelmann: WELL, 16 IS JUST THE SURCHARGES, IT'S NOT THE BASELINE OR THE CURTAILMENT OR THE ALLOCATIONS. >> Paxson: AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT EACH OF THE THREE SLIDES WHERE WE HAVE THE GRAPHS OF THE DIFFERENT CUSTOMER CLASS, THERE'S A CLEAR ANSWER ON THE RESIDENTIAL SLIDE, AND THAT'S 7,000. BUT THERE'S KIND OF AVERAGES ON COMMERCIAL AND LARGE VOLUME. WHICH I UNDERSTAND THOSE ACCOUNTS VARY GREATLY. DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? THERE'S NOT REALLY A CLEAR DEFINITION ON THOSE TWO ALLOCATIONS. >> Winkelmann: YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. SO WITH COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS, IT WILL BE BASED ON THEIR METER SIZE. NOW, ADMITTEDLY WE ONLY GAVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF A THREE-QUARTER INCH METER SIZE BUT THERE'S 1 INCH 2-INCH 4-INCH. ALL OF THAT WOULD BE PRESENTED SO YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT. AGAIN, WITH THE LARGE VOLUME, THERE ARE SPECIFIC BASELINES SET UP FOR THOSE ENTITIES. >> Paxson: OKAY. SO WHAT WE KNOW, BASED ON THE FACTS OF PULLING BUILD INFORMATION. THAT IS OUR BEST, FASTEST ANSWER TO SAY WHAT IS OUR ACTUAL DEMAND, HOW MUCH IS REDUCTION, AND WHAT OVER TIME SHOWS US PATTERNS. BASED ON THOSE ACTUALS, IT'S OUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE THE SMALLEST PART OF THE PIE, ARE MAKING THE MOST NOTEWORTHY CHANGES. I WOULD ARGUE THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE THEIR ACTIONS ARE NOT TIED TO OPERATIONS AS MUCH AS A BUSINESS MAYBE. BUT WHAT'S NOT HERE IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SURCHARGE WHERE OUR LARGE-VOLUME PARTNERS CAN SAY WE MAY NOT EVER NEED TO GO INTO SURCHARGE AND CURTAILMENT. BUT I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND I'M GOING TO PAY A PERCENTAGE OVER THE YEARS, AS A PARTNER. SHOULD THAT EVER COME UP, I HAVE BEEN PAYING INTO IT SO MANY YEARS, I AM EXEMPT FROM IT. WE HAVE HAD SOME GOOD DISCUSSIONS ON IT BUT THERE IS A PROVISION THERE. THERE'S NOTHING REALLY HERE THAT SAYS WHAT ABOUT OUR RESIDENTS WHO MAKE UP SUCH A SMALL PORTION THAT WE CAN BE COGNIZANT OF THE SACRIFICES THEY HAVE AND CONTINUE TO MAKE. AND ALSO SAY HOW ARE WE PROTECTING THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE WHILE THEY LIVE WITH US. WE DON'T HAVE A CITY TO OPERATE IF OUR CITIZENS ARE UNHAPPY. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I GET IT, WE HAVE TO SAVE WATER BUT SOME THINGS THAT COME TO MY MIND IS, ONE, WE HAVE A FUND SET UP FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY NEED UTILITY ASSISTANCE. THEY CAN COME AND APPLY. THEY CAN GET SOME ASSISTANCE. MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES AS FAR AS THE RAIN BARRELS, LIKE COUNCILWOMAN VAUGHN WAS SAYING. HEY, $50 MAY BE A LOT TO A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS, PUT IT INTO A SYSTEM KIND OF LIKE THAT. $50 IS NOT SO MUCH WHEN IT'S ABSORBED INTO AN ORGANIZATION OF THIS SCALE. BUT MAYBE WE CAN STILL GET IT OUT THERE SO THEY CAN DO OUR PART. IF WE CAN KIND OF TURN THAT CONVERSATION TO SAY, YOU KNOW, LESS OF, HEY, MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT WATERING YOUR LAWN. MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT WASHING YOUR CAR. AND MORE OF IF YOU UTILIZE THESE AUXILIARY WATER SOURCES, NOW THAT THEY'RE DEFINED, YOU CAN GET THESE MANY WAYS BACK. AND HERE'S WHAT WE COULD DO TO HELP YOU OR HERE'S HOW THAT LOOKS. I'M NOT GOING TO PENALIZE YOU WHEN I SEE A WELL SIGN. HEY, THE GRASS LOOKS GREEN. WE'RE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO ACTIVELY HELP YOU MEET THOSE NEEDS THROUGH A FAIR PROCESS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK THAT WE COULD STAND TO REALLY BE IMPACTFUL BY ADDING THAT MESSAGE. BECAUSE WHAT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM ALL OF THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE HOW DO WE EMBRACE OUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER CLASS WHO HAS BEEN BEARING SO MUCH PERSONAL SACRIFICE FOR THE REGION. EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE THE SMALLEST SLICE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> Winkelmann: IT DOES. AND I THINK GENERALLY THERE'S BEEN SOME COMMENTS HERE THAT WE CAN TAKE BACK WITH STAFF AND TRY AND WORK ON SOMETHING. WE TALKED ABOUT THE RAIN BARREL AND EVERYTHING. AND I REMIND ALL OF OUR -- MANY PEOPLE EVERY DAY -- AND, AGAIN, CCW, WE'RE AN ENTERPRISE FUND SO ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS AND CAPITAL EXPENSES ARE COVERED BY THE RATEPAYERS. I JUST WANT TO BRING THIS UP. SO ANY BENEFICIAL PROGRAMS THAT ARE DONE AT NO COST, WE STILL HAVE TO RECOVER THOSE COST OF SERVICES, AND THAT'S BORN BY ALL OF THE RATEPAYERS. >> Paxson: HOW MUCH IS LEFT IN THAT $90,000 FUND? >> Winkelmann: COUNCILWOMAN, THE LAST TIME I CHECKED, WHICH ADMITTEDLY WAS A MONTH AND A HALF AGO, I THINK THERE WAS BETWEEN 35 AND $40,000. >> Paxson: MAYBE WE SAY A PERCENTAGE OF THAT COULD MAYBE HELP OFFSET. MAYBE WE ASK SOME OTHER PARTNERS LIKE, HEY, YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE A BILLION DOLLARS TO PUT TOWARDS A NEW WATER SUPPLY BUT DO YOU HAVE A COUPLE HUNDRED, WHICH WOULD SUPPLY SOME RAIN BARRELS? JUST LIKE WE TOOK INITIATIVE FOR THIS, IF WE'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE AUXILIARY WATER USE, LET'S DO THIS AS WELL AND GET SOME MORE WATER BARRELS OUT THERE TO PEOPLE. I SEE ON HERE THAT THERE'S SOME ADAPTATION TO THOSE DEFINITIONS FROM WHEN WE BROUGHT IT LAST WEEK. WHAT I WOULD LIKE US TO DO, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS A SPECIFIC ENGAGEMENT SESSION WITH OUR HOSPITALS AND HEALTHCARE AND SHOWING THEM HOW THEY COULD DO THOSE VARIANCE REQUESTS THAT MATCH PRECISELY THAT DISCUSSION LAST WEEK. I SEE A NOD FROM CHIEF WADE. >> Winkelmann: RIGHT. WE HAD AN INITIAL MEETING WITH THEM AND THANKS TO THE CHIEF WADE AND HIS STAFF, WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THEIR WORK. THEY HAVE THE CONNECTIONS AND WE'RE COMMITTED TO THOSE CONTINUED MEETINGS WITH THOSE CUSTOMERS, SUCH AS HOSPITALS, SUCH AS THE SCHOOLS. >> Paxson: I CAN COUNT ON YOU AS A FOLLOW-UP TO GO OVER THAT SPECIFICALLY? >> Winkelmann: YOU GOT IT. >> Zanoni: MAYOR, CAN I ADD ONE THING? >> Mayor Guajardo: YES. >> Zanoni: WE ARE ACKNOWLEDGING THE WORK THE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS HAVE DONE, AS EVIDENCED BY THE BASELINE OF 7,000. WE COULD HAVE SET THAT LOWER. WE COULD HAVE SAID WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO SQUEEZE THE RESIDENTS EVEN MORE AND HAVE EVEN A LOWER BASELINE. BUT IT'S HIGH, 7,000. THEY HAVE ALREADY MADE THAT UP. THE AVERAGE IS IN THAT 4 TO 5,000 PER MONTH. SO MOST RESIDENTS WON'T HAVE TO DO MUCH WHEN WE GO INTO CURTAILMENT. WHEN WE GO INTO ALLOCATIONS. AND SO WE'RE KIND OF REWARDING THEM, AND WE'LL DO MORE, BUT WE'RE REWARDING THEM WITH THE BASELINE AT THAT 7,000. THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER USES ABOUT 6,000 AND WE'RE SAYING WE'LL BUMP IT UP A LITTLE BIT. AS ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THEY HAVE SACRIFICED A LOT. THEY HAVE BEEN IN CURTAILMENT, AS COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS TALKS ABOUT IT, FOR OVER A YEAR. THEY HAVE BEEN IN CURTAILMENT. YOU CAN'T WATER YOUR LAWN. THERE'S SOME RECOGNITION THERE BUT WE CAN DO MORE, TO PAXSON'S POINT. JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT IN THE CURTAILMENT AMOUNT. >> Mayor Guajardo: TH THANK YOU PETER. COUNCILMAN ROY. >> Roy: THANKS AGAIN FOR THE PRESENTATION. A COUPLE OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE DOING EVERYTHING THAT THEY CAN. I MEAN, I LOOK AT MY OWN PLACE AND I KNOW SINCE THIS DROUGHT, I HAVE HAD SOME SHIFTING IN MY FOUNDATION. I KNOW IT. I CAN SEE IT AND I'M THINKING, OKAY. WHERE DOES THIS STOP AND IT'S GOING TO COST MONEY TO HAVE THAT REPAIRED. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THAT SITUATION. BUT THE THING THAT DOESN'T BODE WELL WITH ME IS THAT -- AND I WANT TO GET BACK ON THOSE CAR WASHES. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE AN INDUSTRY WITH THESE NEWER CAR WASHES THAT BASICALLY WILL -- YOU COULD GO FOUR TIMES A DAY, IF YOU WANTED TO, FOR A SET FEE AND HAVE YOUR CAR WASHED. I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THESE CAR WASHES ARE SUPPOSED TO -- THEY REUSE WATER, POSSIBLY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. BUT IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE OVERALL CAR WASH AND THE WATER WHEN THEY COME OUT, THEY CAN'T CAPTURE 100%. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE TOWELS THEY GIVE YOU TO BE ABLE TO DRY, THEY HAVE TO PUT THOSE IN WASHERS AND DRYERS. THERE'S CONSUMPTION THERE. AND TO ME IT'S IRONIC THAT WE'RE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE PUTTING THROUGH THE RESIDENTS WHEN WE HAVE AN INDUSTRY HERE THAT IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, FROM A STANDPOINT OF WE'RE IN A DROUGHT AND WHO SAYS, OKAY. YOU CAN HAVE UNLIMITED CAR WASHES, YOU KNOW, FOR $40 A MONTH. WHATEVER THE COST IS. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WITH ME. AND WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME. BECAUSE THE OTHER THING IS, I'M CURIOUS, IF YOU GO BACK HISTORICALLY AND YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR CONSUMPTION -- AND THIS SHOULD BE REAL EASY TO LOOK AT. LOOK AT THEIR CONSUMPTION FROM THE BEGINNING OF OUR DROUGHT UNTIL NOW, I BET THAT THEIR NUMBERS HAVEN'T CHANGED AT ALL. THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO TRY AND CONSERVE WATER AT ALL. ZERO. EXCEPT -- AND TO ME, IT'S AN IRONY. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. I HOPE MY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD SUPPORT ME ON THIS. WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. WE NEED DATA TO UNDERSTAND AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HISTORICALLY IF THEY HAVE DONE ANYTHING. BECAUSE WE'RE LIMITING PEOPLE FROM MAINTAINING THEIR BOATS AND THEIR ENGINES BUT WE'RE WILLING TO JUST SIT THERE AND HAVE SOMEBODY GO FOUR, FIVE TIMES A DAY. I HAVE SEEN IT WHERE PEOPLE GET A LITTLE SPOT OF BIRD. AND INSTEAD OF WIPING IT OFF, OH, LET ME GO BACK THROUGH THE CAR WASH AGAIN. YOU KNOW? WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT. >> Mayor Guajardo: I AGREE, COUNCILMAN. COUNCILWOMAN CAMPOS. >> Campos: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE, COUNCILMAN ROY. I DO BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD -- AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT WAS EARLY ON ABOUT THE MORATORIUM ON THOSE CAR WASHES. AGAIN, BACK TO REWARDING OUR RESIDENTS. IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE. YOU KNOW, AND I THINK Y'ALL DO IT ANYWAY BUT MAYBE WE COULD JUST DO A BETTER JOB. LIKE THE LOW-FLOW SHOWER HEADS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE TOILETS SO SOME OF THEM CAN BE REPLACED WITH THAT. I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE LITTLE THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT WE CAN DO. AND BECAUSE WE KNOW RESIDENTS BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN LOOK AT -- AND NOW LATELY, SINCE I HAVE BEEN THE AIR WATER AMENDMENT, I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE IN INDUSTRY , THEY CONCUR THAT THERE IS SOME WATER ABUSE. THEY SAY, YEAH, I KNOW THAT WE USE A LOT OF WATER AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF WASTE. BUT THESE EMPLOYEES DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, HEY. THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN DO OR THIS IS WHAT YOU COULD IMPROVE ON THE SYSTEM, LIKE WE DO HERE. WE KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO. THEY WORK IN THOSE PLANTS. I WISH THAT, AGAIN, INDUSTRY WOULD LISTEN TO THEIR EMPLOYEES. BUT ANYWAY, I REALLY WANTED TO ASK YOU ALSO ABOUT THE AQUA STORAGE. WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT? EVENTUALLY, WE WILL GET RAIN. EVENTUALLY, WE WILL GET WATER. ARE WE SET UP FOR THE EXTRA RAIN THAT WE WILL BE GETTING AND DO WE HAVE THE STORAGE SET UP FOR IT? THE AQUA STORAGE. >> Winkelmann: OKAY. OF COURSE, OUR PRIMARY STORAGE IN THE WESTERN IS LAKE CORPUS CHRISTI AND CHOKE CANYON RESERVOIR. I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO AQUIFER STORAGE AND RECOVERY. >> Campos: YES. >> Winkelmann: TYPICALLY, THAT'S UTILIZED FOR REUSE WATER. THE INITIAL EFFORTS THAT THE CITY HAS LOOKED, THE INITIAL STUDIES, WAS TO USE EFFLUENT REUSE TO PUMP IT INTO THE AQUIFER, WHICH IT WOULD THEN -- THE WATER QUALITY WOULD IMPROVE. THEN IN TIMES OF NEED, WE WOULD PUMP THAT EFFLUENT REUSE WATER OUT OF THE AQUIFER, TREAT IT, AND USE IT INTO OUR POTABLE WATER SYSTEM. >> Campos: OKAY. >> Winkelmann: THE MORE IMMEDIATE EFFORT SHOWING QUICKER RESULTS IS IMMEDIATELY SALE OF WASTEWATER EFFLUENT TO USERS. AND THE BENEFIT THERE IS IT BRINGS THAT DEMAND CURVE DOWN MUCH SOONER AND IT HAS A MUCH QUICKER IMPACT ON THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. >> Campos: AND I'M GRATEFUL WE ARE MOVING FORWARD ON THAT. I GUESS THOSE ARE THE ONLY COMMENTS THAT I HAD LEFT. WELL, LET ME SEE IF THERE'S A ANY -- AS FAR AS LARGE SCALE. LIKE I SAID, WE KNOW AS RESIDENTS WHAT WE CAN DO BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT LARGE-SCALE WATER CAPTURE SYSTEMS WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR INDUSTRY. DO WE ASK THAT QUESTION WHENEVER WE DO MEET WITH THEM? I MEAN, I SEE BOB PAULSON OUT THERE. COULD WE ASK HIM? I MEAN, WHAT WATER CAPTURE SYSTEMS ARE THEY USING? ARE THEY UTILIZING. CAN WE ASK THEM THAT QUESTION? >> Winkelmann: IT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR THE MAYOR IF BOB PAULSON CAN COME UP AND ANSWER A QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE WITH A WORKSHOP WHAT THE PROCEDURES ARE. >> Campos: ABOUT WHAT KIND OF WATER CAPTURE SYSTEMS SOME OF THESE INDUSTRIES HAVE IN PLACE. WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING AS RESIDENTS, HOW WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE WATER. I LOOK ALL THE TIME AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS IT THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE. WATER CAPTURE SYSTEM. >> Mayor Guajardo: I'M SURE MR. PAULSON WOULD SIT WITH YOU AND TALK WITH YOU BUT IT MAY BE A LITTLE OFF OF OUR LAST THREE BULLETS HERE, COUNCILWOMAN. WE HAVE TWO OTHER PEOPLE. I'LL SIT WITH YOU. >> Campos: I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH HIM. >> Winkelmann: I TOOK THE NOTE TOO. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN SCOTT. >> Scott: I'LL BE QUICK. YEARS AGO, DIDN'T WE DO A FREE RAIN BARREL DRIVE? SOMEHOW I THOUGHT IN THE LAST 15 YEARS WE JUST BOUGHT X HUNDRED OF THEM AND SAID COME ONE, COME ALL. BECAUSE IT ENCOURAGED -- >> YES. WHEN I GOT HERE ALMOST TEN YEARS AGO, PRIOR TO THAT THERE WAS -- THE RAIN BARREL PROGRAM WAS ONE GIVEAWAY. AND I WANTED TO EXPAND THE PROGRAM AND MAKE IT COST-EFFECTIVE AND GIVE MORE TO MORE PEOPLE. SO THEN THAT'S WHERE WE WENT TO, OKAY, AT A LOW COST HOW CAN WE PROVIDE RAIN BARRELS TO MORE PEOPLE AND HAVE IT RUNNING THE ENTIRE YEAR. SO THAT'S WHEN WE DEVELOPED THE COST-EFFECTIVE PROJECT AND THEN WE KEEP ON FUNDING IT. >> Scott: I GUESS MY POINT IS -- I GUESS PART OF THIS IS ASKING MY OPINION. I WOULD DO A DRIVE. BUY 300 OF THEM AND SAY ANYBODY THAT WANTS ONE IN THE MONTH OF MAY -- BECAUSE THE RAINS ARE COMING. YOU CAN BRING IT BACK IF THE RAINS NEVER COME, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I WOULD SUPPORT SOME SORT OF INITIATIVE TO PROVIDE FREE RAIN BARRELS. WE HAVE ONE AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT IT BACK WHEN OR IF CAROL BOUGHT IT BUT WE HAVE ONE. WE LIKE IT AND WE USE IT AND THAT'S KIND OF A BIG DEAL. SIDE NOTE, WE DIDN'T PUT IT HIGH ENOUGH OFF THE GROUND SO I DO HAVE WATER PRESSURE ISSUES. IN LEVEL 1 WATER EMERGENCY, NO HAND WATERING POTTED PLANTS? NO WATERING? >> Winkelmann: SO WHAT THE PLAN SAYS IS LANDSCAPED AREAS. I WOULD SAY THAT A POTTED PLANT IS NOT A LANDSCAPED AREA. >> Scott: IS NOT? >> Winkelmann: IS NOT. >> Scott: I'M GOING TO REMEMBER THIS MOMENT. ONE THING IN WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNICATION TEAM IS DEVELOPING A LIST OF FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS. >> Scott: LET ME TELL YOU THE PHILOSOPHY HERE. I SAW THE DROP IN RESIDENTIAL USE AND IT ALLOWED HAND WATERING OF POTTED PLANTS. AND SO WE HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BY HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE REDUCE RESIDENTIAL USE. I THINK PEOPLE LOVE THEIR PLANTS AND THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO WATER PLANTS. NOW, IF WE RUN OUT OF WATER, EVERYBODY WILL TAKE ADDITIONAL MEASURES BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S MUCH MORE BLOOD IN THAT TURNIP TO SQUEEZE OUT. I WOULD LOOK FOR SOME LANGUAGE THAT STILL ALLOWED OR COMMUNICATE THAT YOU CAN STILL HAND WATER. FRANKLY, I HAVE NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY WE DON'T ALLOW SOAKER HOSE SYSTEMS. CAN WE USE IT NOW FOR YOUR FOUNDATION? >> Winkelmann: YOU CAN USE IT FOR YOUR FOUNDATION, YES. YOU CAN WATER YOUR FOUNDATION BUT YOU CAN'T USE SOAKER HOSES TO WATER LANDSCAPED AREAS OR YOUR LAWN. >> Scott: I LIKE TO WATER MY FOUNDATION FROM SIX FEET OUT IN -- I'M KIDDING. I'M KIDDING. SO YOU CAN USE A SOAKER HOSE TO WATER AND MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF YOUR FOUNDATION. YOU CAN HAND WATER POTTED PLANTS, JUST NOT LANDSCAPING. IF IT WERE ME, I WOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION AROUND ALLOWING HAND WATERING THE LANDSCAPING. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE INTERESTED IN BUT I DON'T WANT TO INCREASE RESIDENTIAL WATER USE BUT MY SENSE IS WE, THE CITIZENS, HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB AND WE SHOULD REWARD THAT. AND IF YOU CAN STILL MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF YOUR HOME, THE OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOME BY STANDING THERE IN 100-DEGREE HEAT AND HAND WATERING YOUR LANDSCAPE, I WOULD LET THEM. I DEFINITELY WOULD GO TO SOME SORT OF ONE-TIME GIVEAWAY, SEE IF IT WORKS ON THE RAIN BARREL. AND THEN EVALUATE IT LATER. MY TWO CENTS. >> Mayor Guajardo: NICK, I'M GOING TO THROW THIS OUT THERE. IT MAY NOT BE A HUGE ISSUE HERE BUT IN PORT A THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF GOLF CARTS AND ALL OF THOSE GOLF CARTS ARE VERY MUCH -- THEY'RE WASHED REGULARLY BECAUSE THEY ARE RENTED OUT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S AT ALL ADDRESSED, BUT JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT THERE. HOW WOULD WE ADDRESS SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> Winkelmann: TAKING NOTE. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN HERNANDEZ. >> Hernandez: OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, WHILE I WAS HERE WAITING, I LOOKED AT THE TEXAS WATER CODE 11.039. IT REALLY JUST ADDRESSES HOW YOU DO PRO RATA IF YOU DON'T HAVE A -- I GUESS THEY'RE CALLING IT A CONSERVATION PLAN. AND HOW YOU DO IT -- IF YOU DO HAVE A CONSERVATION PLAN. IT DOESN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT ENFORCEMENT OR ANY -- IT'S JUST KIND OF A -- IT'S THREE PARAGRAPHS. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT REALLY APPLIES TO WHAT WE'RE DOING, CONSIDERING THAT WE DO HAVE A PLAN. ALSO, ARE WE VOTING ON AN ORDINANCE ON APRIL 14th? >> Winkelmann: SO, WE PROVIDED TODAY SOME SUGGESTED DEFINITION LANGUAGE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT STEPS, ON APRIL 14th THERE WAS GOING TO BE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO ADD THOSE DEFINITIONS TO THIS. >> Hernandez: TO ADD TO WHAT? >> Winkelmann: TO ADD TO THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. >> Hernandez: OKAY. >> Winkelmann: TO THE DOCUMENT. >> Hernandez: SO THIS IS AN ORDINANCE. BECAUSE THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN IS AN ORDINANCE. >> Winkelmann: THAT'S CORRECT. >> Hernandez: ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TWO READINGS OR IS THIS AN EMERGENCY READING? >> Zanoni: WE COULD DO TWO READINGS. >> Hernandez: THERE ARE SOME THINGS I THINK YOU'RE LEAVING OUT HERE. COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON HAD BROUGHT AN AGENDA MEMO TO THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING ABOUT ESSENTIAL SERVICES, LIKE HOSPITALS, DIALYSIS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF CARVE OUT. THAT IS NOT IN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. ALSO, I REALLY WANT TO HAVE VERY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OR LANGUAGE WITH REGARDS TO THE WHOLESALE ASPECT MULTIFAMILY. THOSE NEED TO BE REALLY DEFINED. COMMERCIAL USE. YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT -- IS THERE GOING TO BE ANYTHING IN THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN ON REDUCTION OF PERMITS OR MORATORIUMS? >> Zanoni: THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE POLICY. >> Hernandez: SEPARATE POLICY. SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE INCLUDED? >> Zanoni: PROBABLY NOT. IT WOULDN'T BE WITHIN THE DOCUMENT. AND WE WOULDN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE PROVIDE YOU A LOT MORE INFORMATION. >> Hernandez: OKAY. AND LASTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF I AGREE WITH HOW YOU'RE INTERPRETING SECTION K OF 12.1 IN THE NONMANDATORY DROUGHT SURCHARGE FEE. I WOULD LIKE MAYBE A LEGAL BRIEF AS TO HOW YOU'RE INTERPRETING THAT AND WHY. I DON'T WANT TO OPEN US UP TO LAWSUITS. >> Zanoni: WE CAN GET THAT LEGAL BRIEF. >> Hernandez: THANK YOU. >> Zanoni: TO COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON'S THREE-SIGNATURE MEMO. IN THE DISCUSSION WE HAD, IT WAS LATE THAT LAST COUNCIL MEETING, BUT WE AGREED TO DROP THAT LAST SENTENCE WHERE IT LISTED THOSE ENTITIES BY NAME. I THINK COUNCILWOMAN WAS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. SO THIS DEFINITION IS REFLECTIVE OF HOW WE DISCUSSED IT DURING THE COUNCIL MEETING. CHIEF WADE HELPED TO CLARIFY THE RATIONALE FOR WHY WE WOULD RECOMMEND IT THAT WAY. I THOUGHT COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON WAS FINE WITH IT BUT IF NOT, TELL US. >> Hernandez: THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC CALL-OUTS THAT I THINK JUST, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PROTECT THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE -- I KNOW PEOPLE ON DIALYSIS. AT LEAST TWO THAT I KNOW IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO KEEP THEM ALIVE. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE AREA OF THOSE PARTICULAR INDUSTRIES. LIKE I SAID, THE WAY OUR DCP IS WRITTEN, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW COMMERCIALLY -- BECAUSE YOU HAD ONLY THE ONE EXAMPLE OF THE THREE-QUARTER INCH LINE. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ON A LOT OF THIS STUFF BECAUSE ULTIMATELY ALL THIS WILL COME BACK ON US AS COUNCIL MEMBERS. >> Zanoni: RIGHT. >> Hernandez: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILWOMAN PAXSON. >> Paxson: THANK YOU. SO TO SPEAK TO THAT POINT, WHAT I WAS SAYING AT THAT MEETING WAS I WAS HOPING TO PASS AT LEAST THE DEFINITIONS THAT NIGHT. BECAUSE IT IS A SECOND READING. SO MY INTENTIONS WERE IF WE PAUSED THAT SO THAT WE COULD CRAFT THAT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ITEM SO THAT WE WEREN'T SITTING HERE A WEEK LATER, NOW STILL PLANNING TWO READINGS SO THAT THE PROCESS COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH GETTING THE DEFINITIONS ON THERE. BUT I STILL VERY MUCH AM CONCERNED, TO COUNCILMEMBER HERNANDEZ'S POINT, IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO HANDLE OUR HEALTHCARE HOSPITALS, EMERGENCY SERVICES, SENIOR CARE FACILITIES, DIALYSIS FACILITIES. THE WHOLE LIST WAS INCLUDED ON THERE. ONCE WE PASS, BY DEFINITION, THIS CATEGORY OF ESSENTIAL SERVICES, MY QUESTION IS AT BASELINE THEIR WATER CONSUMPTION GOES TO THAT DEFINITION. SO THE CONFUSION HERE IS, YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE TOLD THEM THAT WE'RE IN A DROUGHT STAGE 3 OR A LEVEL 1, IT'S ALREADY STATED LANDSCAPING IRRIGATION IS A NO-GO. THESE NONESSENTIAL SERVICES ARE A NO-GO. SO THAT'S ALREADY PUT OFF THE TABLE. WHAT'S FRUSTRATING TO ME IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE, BY DEFINITION NOW, AND WE PUT IT IN THE BOOK, THEIR OPERATIONS ARE EXEMPT. ESSENTIALLY THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN, ALL IT DOES IS SAYS CUT BACK OR WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU MORE. AND THERE COULD BE FURTHER PENALTIES IF YOU STILL CONTINUE TO NOT CUT BACK. BUT ALL OF THAT WOULD NOT EVEN APPLY TO THOSE USERS BECAUSE THEY FIT UNDER AN ESSENTIAL DEFINITION, PROVIDED THEY'RE NOT DOING THINGS LIKE LANDSCAPING. AM I INCORRECT? >> Zanoni: LET'S HAVE CHIEF WADE MAYBE COME UP. WE COULDN'T DO THE ORDINANCE. IT WASN'T CAPTIONED FOR AN ORDINANCE VOTE LAST COUNCIL MEETING BUT WE CAN DO A TWO READ FOR THAT NEXT MEETING. FOR THE 14th WE'LL DO A TWO READING IN ONE ORDINANCE. >> Paxson: I DON'T MIND FOLLOWING THE RULES BUT THAT WAS MY HOPE. >> BRANDON WADE, FIRE CHIEF. STILL TO ADDRESS THAT, I THINK THERE'S A PROCESS IN PLACE IN THE DCP CURRENTLY FOR A HOSPITAL, FOR A DIALYSIS CENTER TO SAY, IF THIS IS MY BASELINE, MAYBE THEY NEED TO STAY AT THAT BASELINE AND NOT GO UNDER CURTAILMENT OR PRO RATA ALLOCATION. AND THEN THEY COULD APPLY FOR THAT AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY EXACTLY WHY THEY NEED THAT. MAYBE IT'S FOR THEIR PROCESS. BUT THEY WOULD ALSO STILL BE LISTING THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT EVERY WAY TO CONSERVE WATER. SO THEY WOULD STILL BE LISTED. AND THEN BY CARVING OUT, YOU KNOW, JUST SAY PUBLIC HEALTH, AND YOU CARVED OUT FIVE OF THEM, DID YOU CAPTURE ALL OF THEM? I DON'T KNOW. >> Paxson: I GOT THAT DEFINITION FROM CBRAC. >> THERE'S OTHER THINGS, SANITATION, FIRE SAFETY, OTHER BUSINESSES THAT APPLY AS WELL. AND IN THAT SAME CATEGORY WOULD GIVE AUTOMATICALLY A POTENTIAL EXEMPTION TO A NUMBER OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE. I STILL THINK, WITH THAT SAYING HERE'S ESSENTIAL WATER. I HAVE LOOKED AT OTHER PLACES, EL PASO, THAT LISTED A DEFINITION FOR ESSENTIAL, THEY WERE VERY VAGUE. THEY USED PUBLIC HEALTH. THEY USED SAFETY. THEY USED WELFARE. WITHIN THAT DEFINITION, IF YOU NEED AN EXEMPTION, THEY CAN APPLY FOR IT. SO WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A MEANS TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE STILL SUSTAINING THEIR OPERATION FOR PUBLIC HEALTH, IT'S THERE. WE'RE JUST NOT LOOKING TO GET SO GRANULAR WITHIN A DEFINITION THAT SOMEBODY GETS THE AUTOMATIC EXEMPTION. AND THEN I SAY AUTOMATIC EXEMPTION TO WHAT? IS IT TO THE PROHIBITED ITEMS AS WELL? >> Paxson: CAN I SEE MY TIME AS I KEEP TALKING? I AM TRYING TO AVOID THE OVERBURDENING REDUNDANT PROCESSES THAT WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR BY GOOD POLICY WE HAVE ADOPTED. IF WE'RE SAYING THAT HEALTH, SAFETY, AND PUBLIC SAFETY, CLEANLINESS, AS IN THESE CATEGORIES IS AN EXEMPT ESSENTIAL SERVICE, THEN UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS AGAINST CODE IN DROUGHT STAGE 3 LEVEL 1 RESTRICTION TO CONTINUE TO WATER YOUR LAWN. TO CONTINUE TO DO THINGS LIKE EXTERIOR CLEANINGS. THEN THAT'S ALREADY CARVED OUT. WE'VE ALREADY ALL SAID NOBODY GETS TO DO THAT. HOWEVER, IF YOU CONTINUE TO SERVE THE PUBLIC THROUGH HEALTH AND SAFETY, THAT'S AN ESSENTIAL SERVICE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME AND RAP YOUR KNUCKLES FOR THAT. MY FEAR IS WHAT WE'RE DOING IS CREATING THIS SYSTEM WHERE WE'RE SHOOTING THEM IN THE FOOT AND SAYING YOU HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH EVEN MORE HOOPS TO DO SOMETHING THAT WE JUST CODIFIED. >> I THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT IT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. THE WAY YOU ARE LOOKING TO ELIMINATE THEM GOING THROUGH A PROCESS FOR AN EXEMPTION. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. I THINK THAT IS A WAY. BUT I THINK THAT COULD OPEN THE DOOR TO OTHER BUSINESSES THAT AREN'T SPECIFICALLY LISTED IN THERE, ASSUMING THAT THEY FALL UNDER THAT SAME CATEGORY AND GET AN EXEMPTION. AN AUTOMATIC EXEMPTION. >> Paxson: WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS CONTINUE TO INSIST THAT WE HAVE A SPECIFIC ENGAGEMENT SESSION WHERE THEY CAN ALL BE LISTED IN THERE. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS, SEVERAL WEEKS FROM NOW, GOD FORBID BUT IF WE GO INTO A LEVEL 1, I DON'T WANT TO GET A CALL FROM ONE OF THESE PROVIDERS AND SAY I WAS PENALIZED FOR PROVIDING SERVICE EVER. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO PROTECT AGAINST. >> RIGHT. THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT, WITHIN THE APPLICATION FOR AN EXEMPTION, THAT THEY'RE LISTING THE SERVICES THAT THEY'RE DOING AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE APPLYING THAT WATER TO. MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY NEED TO HAVE POTENTIALLY AN EXEMPTION FOR REDUCED CURTAILMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BUT I THINK JUST TO LAY A BLANKET STATEMENT ACROSS ANY BUSINESS AND SAY YOU'RE EXEMPT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD ACHIEVE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. SOME OF THE UNKNOWNS THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT. >> Paxson: I THINK IT DEPENDS ON HOW WE WRITE IT. THIS SYSTEM, IT NEEDS TO WORK AND WE NEED TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS AND NOBODY GETS LEFT OUT. >> I AGREE. YOU CAN SEE WITHIN A DCP THAT'S BEEN AMENDED. IT'S BEEN HERE FOR YEARS, AS CORPUS CHRISTI HAS BEEN ONE OF THE FIRST ONES TO IMPLEMENT IT, THE LANGUAGE IN THERE ISN'T EXACT TO THIS DAY, AS WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE LANGUAGE IN THERE. IF WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO WRITE SOMETHING PRESCRIPTIVE AND IT'S GOING TO AUTOMATICALLY ADDRESS THE PROBLEM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE. BUT I DO BELIEVE, UNDER THE DEFINITION OF ESSENTIAL SERVICES OR ESSENTIAL USE, SAYING PUBLIC HEALTH, WELFARE, AND SAFETY, WHERE SOMEONE CAN SPECIFICALLY PUT IN THEIR EXEMPTION APPLICATION THEIR NEEDS AND WHAT THEY ARE REQUESTING, CCW CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. >> Paxson: I WANT A SYSTEM THAT WORKS AND AS YOU CAN SEE MY EFFORTS HAVE TAKEN OVER A MONTH. IF THERE WERE AN EMERGENCY SITUATION AND WE NEEDED TO DO A CHANGE, WE MAY NOT HAVE A MONTH. SO IF WE'RE MAKING A SYSTEM, IT HAS TO WORK. >> SURE. >> Paxson: I DO WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT REAL QUICK AND SAY I DON'T THINK THAT SETTING OUR RESIDENTIAL LEVEL TO 7,000 GALLONS IS A REWARD. I THINK IT'S AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT. I THINK IT'S A PLACEHOLDER FOR REALISTIC USE. I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S NOT EXACTLY A REWARD. SO I WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR IF WE WANT TO REWARD OUR RESIDENTIAL USERS THAT WE DO THAT BASELINE, I'M JUST GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE A BASELINE NUMBER. THAT'S NOT A REWARD. THAT'S BELOW THE BAR. >> Zanoni: IT'S FINE. WE'RE GOING TO DO MORE, LIKE THE BARRELS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> Paxson: TO MARK'S QUESTION, AS FAR AS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LANDSCAPING AND POTTED PLANTS, SOMETHING THAT'S BIG IN MY DISTRICT IS THESE VEGETABLE/FRUIT GARDENS. RIGHT NOW, UNDER THE INFORMATION WE GOT LAST YEAR, WAS INDIVIDUALS COULD HAND WATER THEIR GARDENS. >> Scott: THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. >> Paxson: IT'S A VERY REAL QUESTION. >> Scott: SO I DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT AT MIDNIGHT NOW AND HAND WATER MY VEGETABLES. YOU ARE TELLING ME I CAN DO IT IN THE LIGHT OF DAY? >> Paxson: EXACTLY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- MY QUESTION IS THAT APPLICATION HERE. >> Zanoni: YEAH, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE LEVEL 1 EMERGENCY? YEAH, ON A LEVEL 1, THEY ARE PROHIBITED. >> Winkelmann: CORRECT. >> Zanoni: ALL HAND WATERING IS PROHIBITED. >> Scott: HAND WATERING -- >> Winkelmann: IT'S POTTED PLANTS. BUT THE DCP SAYS LANDSCAPED AREAS, WHICH IS LARGELY BEEN CONSIDERED GARDENS AND LANDSCAPED AREAS. >> Zanoni: IF YOU HAVE A TOMATO IN A POT, TOMATO PLANT IN A POT, YOU CAN WATER THE TOMATO? >> Winkelmann: CORRECT. >> Zanoni: UNDER A LEVEL 1 EMERGENCY. >> Scott: IT'S GOING TO HAVE NO BOTTOM. SORRY. >> Paxson: FINAL POINT AND I'LL MAKE IT QUICK. I THINK IN ALL THESE DISCUSSIONS, WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE SOME TIME WITH PERHAPS SOME ILLUSTRATIONS TO EXPLAIN THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID IS A LOSS OF PRESSURE IN OUR WATER SYSTEM. I THINK YOU SAID THE THRESHOLD WAS UNDER 10%. IT TRIGGERS A BOIL NOTICE? >> Winkelmann: YEAH. ACTUALLY, IT'S 35%. SO WHEN SUPPLY DOESN'T MEET DEMAND, THERE'S AN INCONSISTENCY IN THE AVAILABLE WATER, WHICH MEANS THAT THE SYSTEM PRESSURE COULD FLUCTUATE. TCEQ REGULATIONS SAY WHEN WE ARE BELOW 35 PSI, THE REQUIREMENT IS TO CALL A BOIL ORDER NOTICE. IT'S NOT BECAUSE THE WATER -- DOESN'T MEAN WE TOOK A WATER SAMPLE AND IT WAS UNSAFE, IT MEANS THE PRESSURE DOESN'T MEET THEIR STANDARD SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS. >> Paxson: WHEN WE GO AND PUT ALL THE FINITE DETAILS IN THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PERCENTAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THE VOLUME FIGURE SO IT MAKES SENSE WHY ARE WE DOING THIS. >> Zanoni: THERE'S TWO THINGS TOO. IT'S PRESSURE AND ALSO JUST TRYING TO HAVE WATER SUPPLY. WHETHER IT'S A REDUCED AMOUNT OR NOT, IT JUST HELPS TO PROTECT THE RESOURCE. YEAH. SO WE CAN SHOW BOTH. >> Mayor Guajardo: COUNCILMAN BARRERA. >> Barrera: THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, I MADE THE MOTION LAST WEEK WITH REGARD TO THE EXEMPTION. AND SINCE THEN I GOT A BUNCH OF CALLS. I THINK WE NEED TO EXERCISE SOME FLEXIBILITY. YOU KNOW, THE THING IS THE NEXT COUNCIL CAN SAY, NO. I DON'T LIKE THAT. AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH WHO WE USE. I TALKED TO A HOSPITAL SYSTEM THAT THEY'RE DISCUSSING DIGGING WELLS. AND I THINK THE THING IS THAT IF YOU LOOK AT -- FROM THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE AND WE GET INTO THE WEEDS, THAT WE'RE GOING TO -- THEY'RE EXPENDING THEIR DOLLARS TO TRY AND TAKE THEMSELVES OFF A SYSTEM FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. NUMBER ONE, THEY WANT TO BE GOOD PARTNERS. NUMBER TWO, THEY'RE NOT DECIDE WITH OUR CONSISTENCY AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM. SO THEY WANT TO REMOVE THEMSELVES FROM OUR DEPENDENCY. SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER A POLICY, NUMBER ONE, IT CAN BE UNDONE IN TWO YEARS. NUMBER TWO, IF SOMEBODY IS TAKING THEMSELVES -- IS WILLING TO SPEND THE CAPITAL TO EXPEND THEMSELVES, THEN WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY PENALIZE THEM BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO EXEMPT SOMEBODY ELSE FOR NOT DOING THAT. WE JUST NEED TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS OF THAT AND I THINK THE SYSTEM WE HAVE WHERE WE'RE GOING ON A ONE-ON-ONE BASIS -- I'LL TALK TO YOU MORE ABOUT IT LATER ABOUT THE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR IT. THE OTHER THING IS THAT I DON'T THINK WE'RE REWARDING PEOPLE FOR USING LESS THAN 7,000 GALLONS. YOU COULD SAY I'M EXEMPT OR MY HOUSEHOLD IS EXEMPT BUT I STILL CAN'T WATER MY LAWN. I'M NOT GETTING REWARDED, I'M JUST BEING AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY NOT TO PAY A CITATION. IT'S GOING TO COST ME $500 NOW. I'M SAVING THE -- THE PENALTY WOULD BE, IT'S A STICK METHOD. SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY REWARDING ME FOR EVERYTHING BECAUSE I CAN'T -- I'M WATERING MY LAWN BECAUSE -- I'M NOT WATERING MY LAWN AND I'M NOT WASHING MY TRUCK. I GOT ON CASEY'S CASE THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE SHE WASHED MY TRUCK. SHE TOOK IT TO A QUICK QUACK. I SAID THE COUNCILMAN'S TRUCK IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE CLEAN. WE'RE NOT REWARDING ANYBODY SO I JUST WANT TO MISCHARACTERIZE THAT. IF I'M NOT USING 7,000 GALLONS, I'M NOT USING 7,000 GALLONS BUT MY HOUSEHOLD IS STILL VERY CONSCIENTIOUS. I SPOKE TO A GROUP OF HIGH SCHOOL KIDS ON THURSDAY AND THEY WERE ASKING HOW TO CONSERVE. I SAID JUST VERY SIMPLE THINGS. JUST TURN OFF THE WATER WHEN YOU BRUSH. YOU KNOW, AND I GOT A COUPLE OF SNICKERS WHEN I SAID YOU ONLY HAVE TO FLUSH THE TOILET ONCE. THOSE ARE SOME SIMPLE THINGS THAT THEY COULD DO THAT ARE NOT ONEROUS. BELIEVE ME, THERE WAS A LOT OF HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS THAT HAD THE BEARDS. I SAID IF YOU'RE GOING TO SHAVE, EITHER USE AN ELECTRIC RAZOR OR JUST -- ANYWAY, I'M JUST GIVING THOSE EXAMPLES WHERE THAT'S JUST RESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOR. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE SAY THAT WE'RE REWARDING PEOPLE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE ARE. MY POINT. THAT'S ALL. >> Mayor Guajardo: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES OUR QUESTION AND ANSWER. NICK, THANK YOU TO THE STAFF, EVERYONE THAT'S HERE. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. AND WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT ONE, APRIL 28TH, RIGHT? >> Winkelmann: THAT'S THE NEXT WORKSHOP IS APRIL 28th. >> Mayor Guajardo: THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. [MEETING ADJOURNED] uh we. We have over 700 trees that we water and it's on an 11 day cycle, lots of work that go into that, but we, uh, we kind of, you know, thought outside the box a little bit and we have these tree teepees now that we put, uh, at some of our parks, West Goth and Han Sutter that kind of act like a, uh, a greenhouse, uh, and it's, it's, uh, it's, it requires less water, um, and the water that we use is the affluent water so it's not like we're just hooking up hoses and water we have to go get the water from the affluent. We team up with the fire department, we use some of their uh big trucks to help us do that, so it's. Just a lot of a lot. We're very, very mindful of the drought, but we unders but, but we understand that we need, we need these amenities I can see you guys are trying to be creative in the ways that you use the effluent or the reclaimed water that the city does have available. So I'm glad to hear. I think that's, that's very responsible in the way that we're taking ownership of the parks and amenities, and we're actually building to include so all of our projects now will actually have effluent line connectivities or In the future we're looking to actually enhance the citywide so that way, you know, a lot of our parks can just connect to an implement line and be able to utilize that and so our teams can get back out to do what they do everyday operations and, you know, save that time and energy because we've also been in partnership with the fire department. So the fire department is actually helping our teams out by coming out and delivering water for them so that they don't have to actually go back to the and. So there's a lot of collaboration that's going and even with CCW, you know, they're helping us with water wells and, you know, always thinking outside the box for us as well to say, you know, this would help you all, and so we're definitely looking at different initiatives at every angle and feedback, community feedback is a huge, you know,