All right, I have 7 o'clock. We will call the White Bear Township Town Board Meetings for February 2nd, 2026 to order. First item on the agenda is the agenda, Patrick. >> Um, no changes to the agenda from staff. Mr. Chair, >> order of anything? I have nothing. >> Nothing for me. Need >> a motion to approve it. >> Move to approve the agenda as noted. >> Second. All in favor say I. I. All >> oppose. >> Uh, you know what? I don't have a microphone. >> Uhoh. >> Here. You don't mind? >> Got an extra. >> Wait a minute. Whoa. Back [laughter] up. We got it. We got it, Lisa. We're good. [laughter] >> No problem, man. >> All right. Uh, item three, approval. Fame of the bill. See you sign off. >> I signed off. Move to approve payment of the bills. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> opposed. >> All right. Item four. I need approval of minutes of January 21st, 2026. I know we have a new recording secretary. So, >> yes, >> I'm kind of following these minutes a little closer normally, but anybody have any corrections or changes? >> Uh, Mr. Chair, on page two of the minutes, which happens to be page five in the packet, minor change. Uh you are stated as Bernan said also advised the city is obligated to take uh the lowest bid that should should be the township. >> Township. >> Yep. [clears throat] >> Okay. Uh and then on page six of of the packet uh we're when we're talking about the Cottage uh Avenue, Prospect Avenue, and Lake View Avenue project. Uh we suspended the meeting then came back and and it just says move to deny it but doesn't have a reason. We do cover it later on but I think she should put in there the reason >> that's mentioned. >> Yep. >> Way down in the packet. >> Okay. >> Uh that we decided we could not afford to fund all the projects for the year. >> All right. >> That's it. >> I didn't have anything. >> All right. Motion to approve as amended. So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> All right. Item five is a consent agenda item. We only have two. Uh the board okay with them? >> I was need a motion to approve. So move >> second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> All opposed. >> All right. Moving on. Old business. Uh 6A. This is the North Oaks JPA. Patrick, you going to >> Yeah, Mr. Chair. And I'll also uh defer to yourself as well as uh uh township legal here, Chad. We did meet today today as staff to go over the most recent um changes and edits to the two-part JPA with the city of North Oaks. Um, if the board will recall, we did state that in order to go forward um with this two-part JPA, uh there are some property access uh and rights issues associated with uh North Oaks LLC that the city of North Oaks needs to work out before we ratify anything. Um, and then we also had just a couple of uh changes amongst staff that were submitted to legal today so that they may go back and forth with North Oaks's legal uh council as well until we get this thing wrapped up. So, by and large, the actual JPA has been I mean completed from our side. Um, like I said, just a couple of edits that came from staff today, but uh the big question will be uh waiting to see how the city of North Oaks and North Oaks LLC work out um some property issues that will help us uh put this to bed. Mr. Chair, did I forget anything? >> Uh were were the changes we addressed this morning, were they sent off, Chad? >> Not yet. I wanted to review this with the board tonight and then I'll send them off tomorrow. Um, for the most part, these were changes suggested by Dale and Larry. And the only one I think that most of it is technical I see no problem with, but think one thing I think the board needs to be aware of is there are certain valves that connect between gates that connect the township to the city that are outside the meters. we you know the the special meters we've been talking about they won't be there won't be reg others there there won't be metered at all. So, we there are some unmetered uh connections that the town board needs to determine what to do with or at least we could provide some direction on. >> Yeah, Larry made a good point today and I I think he's trying to come up with a a scenario and if we do find one of those open part of the reason why we wanted 12 meter pits was to cover every 12 connections going into the city of North Oaks. Well, now that we're only going to meter basically five, that leaves seven out there that all it is a valve they can turn on and off. Now, granted, it's also for safety reasons. If they have a a fire or a a water main break, they can isolate and still supply water to the residents, but that means they're supplying water through these non-metered valves that again now we're back to we have no idea how much >> exactly. And given the fact that you required to annually report to the DNR how much water you're using, that's not a good idea. >> Well, it could be just a minor little leak and it's just going unnoticed. So, is there [clears throat] a possibility that they could put some alarms on them? >> We talked about that, too. >> That the township is notified as if any water comes through the other side of that valve. I think you'll see engineering coming up with a proposal on that. But that's again most of the changes they're they're uh the tweaks that Larry and and Dale brought up are just that tweaks. Nothing huge except that one I think is a bigger issue. >> I agree. [laughter] >> Thanks, Lisa. Beyond that, um, I'll simply submit the changes tomorrow and we'll see what they have to say. >> Was there any dialogue about the timeline that is noted in the JPA of when the installation of the new trunk line, etc. >> End of the year? >> I Well, it says December 31st of 2027, but >> maybe 26. >> I thought it read 26. >> Well, there's two parts. >> There's two parts to it. Um, one says the installation of a large capacity water meter December 31st of 2026 and then the installation of the new trunk line honor before December 31st of 2027. >> Yeah. >> Are are we where' these dates come from? I guess >> engineers gave them to us as to what might be um practical completion of each. So we're we're comfortable that these dates are somewhat accurate because we >> we have had very little >> this was part of the feasibility study that they actually gave us >> and it also came from the discussion we had with the mayor, their legal counsel and administrator. So those are dates that were all agreed upon >> and Dale was president at that meeting too. So he was he was agreeable with those dates. >> Can we keep in place the higher water uh rate until it's completed? >> Well, we that's what we said. So in the first quarter, we just tied it to the JPA. Nothing to do with the projects. If you want to tie it to the projects, I suppose that's something that you would have to propose. >> I'd kind of like to because it's the thing that seems to goose them along. >> Yeah. >> So I guess I would like to suggest that [clears throat] the you know JPA and completion of the project. >> Well, I I think you're I think that they should keep separate. So, if the JPA is not completed by end of first quarter, like the board has suggested, we would go to tier three on our on our water rates. >> Mhm. >> Um, if the JPA is completed and then we get to end of the year and the meter project isn't done, maybe you put language in there too, Chad. >> Right. We can do that. >> Y and just so we're clear, it's not just a question of cost of the meters. It's a question of ability to place the meters. >> Yes. Because as every you know, North Oaks is rather complicated in in its land ownership and the use of public facilities. So the city and I have to be somewhat sympathetic with them. Placing public facilities in the city of North Oaks is not an easy proposition. I I I agree with that. But I also want to point out and remind everybody that they had two years to well it's now three years but they had two years notice of our intent >> and they and and what action they've taken has nothing to do with us. It has to do with their internal issues. But I just don't want it to drag on. I guess that was the point for a higher fee and penalties. I think we should still have a stick on this >> on the project part of it >> because the the JPA one is >> but this is all kind of intertwined in here, isn't it? I mean, I'm looking that those dates that I gave you are aren't they in the JPA? >> They are in the JPA and right now I'm just looking at section 2A. The rate set forth is 125% of tier one. >> Yes. And we did talk and North Oaks understands that if they let this slide there will be a penalty, but right now the penalty wouldn't kick in until after [clears throat] December 31st of 2026. >> Yeah, that's the first pivotal date, right? The completion of that. So I guess is the board saying you're fine with tier one until December 31st of 2026 after which point you want to go to tier three? >> That would work for me. >> But you clearly got to distinguish that between end of first quarter for JPA, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> What about the rest of the board? [clears throat] >> Um that works for me. >> Well, may I ask you a question on the tier one rate? Does is it clear enough that if the the utilities commission decides the first of the year that that rate is got to go up that that adjusts right along with our current >> as applicable to township rates established rates >> is the language that we talked about today. >> Right. >> Okay. Like that's pretty much built in that's built into the JPA. I'm sorry. So everyone in the audience understands JPA means joint powers agreement. Okay. That's how governments make make a make deals with each other, contracts with each other. So I think it's yeah that's clear from that standpoint that the city is obligated to follow regulations and there also whatever rates citizens of the township are charged that's the same rate the uh cities are going to be charged in terms of the tier ones and tier twos and tier threes. I thought it was um one plus >> So we're we're not going >> one plus 20 [clears throat] 125%. >> Okay. >> Are we going 125% or tier one? >> Correct. >> Okay. Well, as it stands now, we were really close to having this done tonight except for we were still waiting for the city of North Oaks on a couple of factors. there's a a chance that could be four meters or five depending on how they loop internally. >> And if we have the township piggy back to an agreement with the city and North Oaks LLC for accessing the meters because they're on private property. Neither of those have been addressed to us yet. >> Oh. and and we were pretty much assured the last time we met two weeks ago with the city administrator, their attorney, and the mayor that they would be ready by tonight. And here it is tonight, and we haven't heard a word. >> I did hear from Kevin by text today. >> Yeah. So, I let >> And what was that? >> So, I let him know what we're doing about it. >> So, so now are we back to We have to sit back down with them because of the couple extra things that we brought up today. I I think it's attorneys right now. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> I'm fine. >> I think if there is a [clears throat] disagreement. Yeah. But for right now, I think it's just folks [clears throat] attorney and our attorney Chad. >> Yeah. At this point, I'd say so. >> We'll trust. >> Not that we're going to write the agreement, you know, you know, make the determination how it's going to work, but we'll write it up and bring it back. But what we know based on today's meeting, I think we have the parameters of the changes. [clears throat] >> Um are sliding off to just a little piece of this that falls into the Lino Lakes project. Have we advised the city of Lo Lakes that we're that because they requested water from us that this we're clear that it's all connected to the this whole JPA? >> We've made it quite clear to both North Oaks and Lannel Lakes. We're more than willing to work with you. But the problem is not you know >> a direct connection. >> The problem is not how much you know will we provide water and sewer services. The question is how will the water get from the township to Lo Lakes because it has to run through North Oaks and that is up to North Oaks and Lo Lake to work that out. I just want to make sure we have them in the loop because they they did come and presented a proposal which we >> paused because we weren't ready. >> I talked to Mike Roshel weekly. >> Okay. >> So, he knows. >> Yeah, they're they're they're quite clear. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> All right. So, basically, if we ever get this JPA finalized with the city of Orthols, it's just a matter of of a little bit of revision for the three-way uh JPA with Lakes. We don't have to be involved in that. >> Well, we still need a JPA. >> Well, no need a JPA. Yes. But >> from the township standpoint, there's really not much. Well, >> we have to get an agreement with with Leno Lakes as to what they're going to pay for the connection to the sanitary sewer and also that they'll uh collect access fees when they for as they hook up to u as they hook up. But those I think are simple issues compared to the other issues of how they handle the infrastructure. But again, we're not involved in that. So this point, we're just going to sit back and wait till they till the Atlanta Lakes North can figure it out among themselves. >> Out of vital curiosity, how are they being metered in Lo? Well, my understanding is there will be one meter at our border >> and then there'll be another meter at the North Oaks Lo border. >> Okay. >> And that's that the second meter is the one that North Oaks and Lo have to figure out who's going to put it in who's going to pay for it. >> Oh, goody. >> That's not really our problem. >> Patrick, what's the end of the quarter for the billing? What what date? >> Uh be the last second to last day of March. So, so that's technically their deadline. >> On average, um, we must have a number that on average we're billing North Oaks residents. Mhm. >> Um the reason I asked that is because you know we we're giving them we we're going to the process is we are going to send a lump bill to the city of North Oaks for them to collect from their residents >> without us holding the bag. We're giving North Oaks two months to pay us back on a end of the quarter. Is that what I read in there? Why don't we have have that uh put in an escrow account so that we're the average so that we have the money versus waiting for them to send the money or is that too much of a pain in the >> I think that's getting complicated and in the weeds. What do you think, >> Chad? I just don't want us to be >> I holding the bag. >> Holding the bag. >> Yeah, I got you. >> Instead of two months, like one month. >> Statutoily they're required to pay bills within 30 days of receipt of the invoice. Yeah, but we give them 60 days. >> Yeah. Well, true. Um, >> just saying. >> You want to offer a penalty? >> No. >> Yeah. Here's the deal. And that gets that escrow gets kind of uh Okay. If you're going to do an escrow, you got to consider this. How much you going to escrow? Are you going to base it? Is it going to be a rolling average of the last three years um per, you know, are you going to average it out, you know, for all 12 months or you going to break it down, you know, winter, summer? >> No, I was going to just do an average. >> And then the question is if they if they're at the end of the at the end of the year, if there's too if there's money left in the escrow, do we refund it to them? How do they replenish it? Well, the J if it's tied in with I was tying it in with the JPA and the JPA is it goes on till notice. So >> if it's just a thought and and I see your point, why are we financing them is what you're saying? >> Yes. Why are we financing them? >> Then if you want to do an escrow, then we need to know how we're going to ter determine the escrow. How's it going to be replenished? Do are other credits and debits involved? >> You know, it's >> I don't want to delay the process. I was just a >> speaking out loud. >> Isn't part of the reason we went to 100 and a quarter is to pick up some of those costs. So, we're trying to already calculate that in. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Thought we might be just not I don't want to say double dip. >> Yeah. I don't want to be petty about it. I you know [clears throat] >> Oh, come on. >> No. Oh, >> no. I I see your point. You know, I understand. But it's it's just going to delay things out, you know. >> Okay. >> A as it is, if this thing isn't settled, um we still have to decide what we're going to do with them because we can't keep working under the assumption that we're required to give them water. >> Well, we aren't required to get them. Let's be clear. We're not required to get >> right now. We still are with no with no agreements and no guarantees. >> No, you're not required to do anything. You could literally go out there tonight and shut the whole system down if you wanted to. Just would not be It just wouldn't be a real good idea. >> Yours [laughter] would not be a real good idea. >> Well, I'm I'm just happy that the new agreement clearly spells out that they have to abide by the same rules when it comes to water as our residents. And that's in there. >> And it's in there. And I'm I think that's a good move. They just got to understand it. >> I think they do. >> I think the government might. I don't know if they've told their citizens that, but that's again not my issue. >> No. >> Oh, other than they have Does it say in there, Chad, they have to enforce the restrictions because we're not going to be the police force? >> Not. Yeah, they have to enforce it. >> Okay. >> More importantly, it uh because of the outstanding settlement of the White Bear Lake lawsuit, we have the right to adjust. The township has the right to adjust the amount of water delivered to them at any time, >> which is important. >> Yes. >> Well, but that that because that gets back to the DNR as their thumb on our water amount, and if they decide they want to recalculate that, >> they could. >> Our our main objective is protect our citizens. >> Correct. >> All right. So, [clears throat] I'm sorry, Patrick. Did Kevin respond to you? >> Yeah. >> And >> that's fine. >> Okay. [clears throat and cough] >> So, it's kind of in process still. >> Yep. All right. >> Are you looking for a motion? >> No, this is just a discussion. Um, >> all right. So, I guess we'll just wait to hear back, especially because obviously we still have some corrections and they may not accept our corrections. We're still in our limit. I'm >> saying it might go beyond just the attorneys at that point. So, >> okay. Anything else on that? >> No, we're good. >> All right, moving on. Uh, item 6B, uh, ice activities. Uh, >> is there a reason this is on? >> Beth requested that we have this as of this tonight. >> I was just noticing they I think four of our restaurants in tone were impacted. >> Was uh 61, Highway 61. um they closed the well actually Monomidi but it's just yeah just that you might want to note that it seems to be impacting the citizens to a certain extent and I I don't think we can actually stop if they wanted to if they wanted to put operations in some in the parking lots can we >> well that's private right that's considered private >> well if they wanted to use um town property a town parking lot to stage in a to stage a raid >> [sighs] >> That's kind of a gray area, but I'd have to My my opinion is basically we really can't stop it. >> I know. I've had I had quite a few phone calls about it. That's why I guess I was >> Yeah. >> If we could put something in the minutes, I think, so people understand that there's not a lot that we can do. >> No, I think this was covered last month, though. The way you described this, >> it was, but it seems like the highway cabin 61 kind of set it off again. [snorts] Well, again, uh, the township, at least this board has to stay somewhat neutral on some of these issues anyway. So, I don't know how we can, uh, >> what would you like for it to say in the minutes? >> Just reiterate what we, you know, they, you know, like, like I say, the cabin 61 thing seems to really kicked it off and I got a bunch of texts and stuff and I do want to feel like we're being responsive to the citizens. Well, >> and I know there's not a lot we can do. I get I get that. But, you know, >> I would point out that's a private decision to >> that was made and we have nothing to say about that. >> No. But but I I personally believe that at the very least we could put something on our township homepage that says if you see something or concerned about something, here's a number to call, which would be the sheriff's department. That's who has to investigate that stuff. Um, it's just a public service statement that says if you see it, say if you're worried, say something. But they can advise them if they can do anything or not do anything. >> Mhm. >> Um, >> I wonder if there'd be more conversation, you know, about I think in was it St. St. Peters where the uh lady was picked up and the chief of police actually retrieved her. Oh, >> I don't know that. But >> yeah, I think that happened this morning. [clears throat] >> But I think it's a public service announcement. I think you could really just put something there that uh >> that's an outreach number which community Ramsey County Community Sheriff's Department. >> All right. You want to look at that, Patrick? Is you have the direct line to the sheriff's department and you may uh maybe some other communities already doing that so they don't have to reinvent the wheel here. >> Yeah. Um some of the RCSO community group or communities have been working on one. So I'll tap in see what's going on with that. >> All right. And if you get it worked out, I'd also have have them put it on the uh Facebook page, >> of course. And then they've got our social media. We've got our town web our website covered and give the residents some comfort. Anyway, >> I mean, one comment I'd make is that this is one situation where the town board really doesn't have a whole lot of power, you know, based on the primacy of the federal government. >> Yeah. and the Constitution, there's not a whole lot you can do about it. >> True. And I guess we should kind of make it clear that it's kind of where it is. And it's not that we don't care. It's just there's not a lot we can do. >> Oh, yeah. No, I'm I'm not in any way saying we're that the town is indifferent to the problem at all. Just that your hands are tied. And this is not the only community dealing with this problem. >> No. everyone. I have to tell you when I read the U Minnesota League of Cities website, it's pretty clear there's a lot of frustration. >> Yeah. >> All right, moving on. Item seven, public hearing. We have none. Item eight, uh, new business. This is the Middlelands Drive Cub Food request for seasonal trees. Andrew, are you going to take this? >> Yep. >> Town board, before you, you have an permitted use standards application for 1059 Meadowlands Drive. This is pretty similar to an earlier one that was submitted um for their seasonal greenhouse. This one is for their seasonal tree sales. Um location of the Cub Foods of White Bear Township since it was constructed in 93. The proposed seasonal tree sales are located in a portion of the parking lot from November until the end of December, operating daily from um 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. pretty much uh consistent with the hours of the grocery store. The use that best fits in the zoning district is landscaping materials uh storage and sales. The approximately 5,700 ft tree sales lot is proposed to be placed on the southwest corner of the parking lot and temporarily remove two tiers of parking or 24 spaces, leaving the site with 356 spaces meeting the parking requirements. The site has adequate parking for both uses and the location will not block any access lane. The planning commission reviewed the request at their January 22nd meeting and gave it a positive recommendation 40 to the town board. Uh the zoning code does not include a definition for this use, but other definitions that are pretty similar are retail sales and um landscaping materials storage or sales. Uh retail sales adequately describes the intent of the business. um grocery store as well as landscaping materials, storage and sales are permitted usees in the B2 general business district. The site has more than enough um parking provided to serve both uses. The application um is required to meet the criteria for review of a permit use standards permit. The use shall be planned, designed, constructed, maintained to avoid unnecessary detraction, um earlability, damage to vegetation, traffic pattern incompatibility, erosion of soil, unnecessary loss of existing natural features or increased flood potential. Um they're not per uh proposing any permanent development. So staff feels that this is met along with the other uh criteria 9-3. First is that the development shall be allowed which will uh no development shall be allowed which will result in unusual maintenance or repair costs of roads, parking areas or utility lines. The development shall be permitted in only such a manner that the maximum number of trees shall be preserved. No trees are anticipated to be removed. The types and density of land use are similar to what is around the existing sites. The proposed use shall be cited designoriented landscape to produce a harmonious relationship between builds buildings and grounds to the adjacent properties in the neighborhood. The proposed use shall show sufficient landscaping to screen undesirable features and to enhance the development. This is for temporary tree sales. So staff feels that that's been made and it is consistent with the objectives of the ordinance and the comprehensive plan. And then finally, fire prevention and fighting equipment acceptable to the board of fire underwriters and town board shall be readily available when any activity involving the handling or storage of flammable or explosive materials is carried on. We forwarded this to um public works building inspector and firing fire inspector and the only comment was that a building permit is required at the time of install. Um provide plans and specifications prior to installation. Um essentially fire just needs to kind of walk through and just make sure that the site is appropriate. [snorts] Uh the town board has the following uh options for this request. First is approve the request with or without conditions. Second is deny the request with findings for denial and third is table the request for further review or study. Staff in the planning commission recommend approval of the permitted use standards permit for Cub Foods of White Bear Township for the use seasonal tree sales with the following uh conditions of approval. Location of the tree sales shown shall be shown on the map dated 12225 incorporated into the P US permit by reference. The perade use standards permit shall be valid from November 1st through December 1st or 31st for a maximum of five years ending February 2nd, 2031. The outdoor storage is limited to the area on the approved plans with items shown uh stored being neatly stacked and displayed. The applicant shall uh list on the permit shall read Cub Foods of Wiper Township and any temporary signage requires signed permits. The applicant shall adhere to all federal, state, and local laws while operating the business. Um, obtain all federal, state, and local permitting and inspections associated with the business. And then finally, pay all fees and escros associated with the request. U, the applicant is not in attendance, but I can answer any questions that you guys have. Beth question? >> I know. I've seen it. I know what he's talking about. >> Nope. I've seen it. I think it's great. >> All right. Hearing no other further discussion. Looking for a motion to approve this. [clears throat] I'll make a motion to approve. Um I don't my computer is acting up. >> The res I'll do it for you. How about the resolution approving uh permitted use standards for 1059 Meadowlands Drive and it would be resolution number 26-15. >> I'll second that. >> Uh you want to include the numbered recommendations that are in our >> including staff recommendations. >> Second that. >> All right. Motion's made second. All in favor say I. I. >> I. All opposed. All right. Motion carries. Item 8 B. This is the wall that heals. Patrick, you want to give us a quick overview here? >> Sure. So [clears throat] staff and elected officials as well as the White Bear Lake Area Historical Society met last week to go over logistics of the Wall that heals, which will be a um event uh with the Vietnam Memorial Wall that travels around the country in select cities uh for a period of 4 days. >> Yep. >> 4 days. >> It's August 6th through the 9th >> through the 9th. um in which it will be placed over in Polar Lakes Park for display during that time. Um the count the township is going to provide some logistical support. Uh we'll also be talking about uh security and that kind of thing. Is that a good enough overview or? >> Yeah. Well, I'd just like to commend the White Bear Lake Historical Society for going out and lobbying to get this. This is kind of a big deal, I think. Uh and it it it showcases it's a threequarter replication of what's in uh I believe it's what right right at Washington DC. >> Yep. [clears throat] >> So and it there there's a lot of moving parts to this. Um we have created a a planning commission that meets about every other Thursday right up until this thing is delivered. Uh which is it's including a lot of moving parts. Uh there's going to be a parade for it. There'll be um it's a 247 deal, so it's open the whole time, which means there'll be I mean staff it'll be staffed that that complete time. So I I I think this is a a another feather in the cap for the township, too, to also have this that we're hosting it. >> Do we want to put any, you know, have any more events with it to, you know, like really draw attention to it? uh you know they're working on a lot of um advertising aspects of it and there's a lot of uh uh re outreach for different groups the BFW the boy scouts the um raising money for this thing. So it it it's quite involved actually. That's why they we're going to have to meet every other Thursday. Uh Patrick and I will sit on that commission because there there are a lot of things that are affected directly to the town. Obviously, we're going to have to have some staff time involved. We're going to have to have the sh the sheriff's department involved, emergency services just in case. I mean, obviously, you're dealing with a lot of vets that come to these things are getting up there in age. So, you want to make sure we're well prepared with handicap parking and so it's a lot of moving parts, but but I think this is a and in fact, this just kind of precedes our township days. So, [snorts] >> I think we can pull it off. It is a it is a huge undertaking, but it is quite an honor to have it here. So, uh we'll make it happen. >> Is it going to be because I don't really know at at this point? Uh down where the amphitheater platform is going to be in the lower part, not up with the soccer field. >> The lower part, right? >> The lower parts, right? >> No, it's in the upper part. >> Well, the map that they gave us, it was on the lower. >> It's on the north. Well, at least right now, that's where it's tentatively going to go. >> So, it's up by the town hall, >> right? Well, only logistics wise, obviously, this is a two 320t long wall, which means there's a lot of posts involved, which means they're going to be have to be uh sensitive to where our sprinkler systems are, where our power is. >> And if we have it up above, the town hall can also work as a staging area for uh volunteers. >> Uh it's closer to the restrooms, even though there's a restroom down below. >> Yeah. and our town engineer had brought up putting it down at the lower end, but I I I think logistics wise it's going to which we haven't confirmed yet, but I think it's going to probably be on the on the upper one. >> Okay. >> Also, we have better lighting up there. So, there's there's a number of things >> almost certainly we have better lighting up there >> and the access to the power which they've been looking at. >> Concern was with the park use policy where we have youth soccer lined up. I make sure that they're aware of that. We >> available. Yeah. Trust me, that was brought up because >> how can they already be aware? We told them, we asked them about if they had any events or scheduled that time. >> Oh, perfect. >> We're good. >> And this is just a matter of, you know, 12 foot holes, but still there's going to be quite a few of them. So, it's going to have to be a a restoration, which we're still working on. They're going to dig them, but who's going to restore them back to and like you say, we just did that whole >> volunteers. I bet you a lot of people would volunteer. >> Uh, but again, you need it up to the standards of the town, and you have to be very cautious of that. You've always had a little concern over having volunteer labor on township pro projects cuz the dugouts for example that we talked about the dugouts and you said we can't really >> let's talk about putting dirt holes right. >> Well the dug with dugouts the problem I had with the dugouts is the fact that you had volunteer people making improvements to town property. >> Oh [clears throat] >> that was my concern. this volunteer is actually working on site doesn't bother me >> as you know >> and we're still >> well it it >> doesn't bother nearly as much and I know it's something we can cover. >> Well, we're still not sure if if they do their restoration after they dig the holes. So, we're not that's a little bit up in the area yet to be determined. >> Yes, this is this is new for us. So, there's going to be a lot of a lot of questions and answers. So, >> the holes kind of bother me. >> Yeah. Well, I think it's exciting to have it. It's gonna it's gonna happen. >> Just >> Yeah, we're already on their website and on their list. So, if anybody's interested, you can go up on the the walls at Heel and we're listed as one of the hosts on this August 6th to 9th. So, I think it's coming out of Iowa comes here and then it goes to Michigan. So, it moves around the whole country. >> Neat. >> But we will we'll keep everybody updated. All right, that ends our normal agenda. Um, we have closed session, so we're going to do open time. If anybody wishes to speak, I see we have some students, you can come on up and get on camera and [clears throat] all your classmates will want your autograph. [laughter] >> Hearing none, >> do you want to sign off because we're going into >> session? If there's no one else there for open time, uh I have to ask that we have to clear the room because we go into close session, which means this is uh just us and our attorney that have a meeting. So, thank you all. Students, if you got something to sign, you can bring them up. >> She's got better handwriting. [laughter] >> Wow. >> Sure. Thank you. Thanks for coming. It's good that you're interested. >> Come on up. >> See you tomorrow, Andrew. >> There you go. >> You have a good one, guys. >> We'll see you, Andrew. >> You sure you don't want to talk? >> Yep. >> There you go. >> You haven't heard a hockey score yet, have you? >> Uh, it's 2-1. >> What? >> Wow. >> Oh, cool. >> Let's see. No, this is a permissions. This is not mine. I'm not giving you permission for nothing. [laughter] >> That's up to her. >> Sneaky. >> Sarah Sarah told me about that. That's going to be cool. >> It is. >> I'm sure I'll get some. >> Well, it's a worthwhile deal. >> Well, there will be a call out for volunteers for a number of >> You bet. Y >> It'll be fun. >> All right. >> Go hockey, right? >> Thank you. >> Take care. >> Yeah. Well, there you go. My computer went wacky. Cut. It's just like overheated. I don't know why. >> Really? Yeah. Probably shot. >> My computer started just goingooploop. Then it died. >> Stop visiting the websites that you're visiting. >> Oh, [laughter] >> you know, was there a accusation? I take offense to that. Who's your boss? [laughter] >> Just remember that. >> He's very familiar to you. Very. Should I look in the mirror? [laughter] >> All right. >> All right. I need a motion to go into close session concerning uh White Bear Lake. >> Chad, this is White Bear Lake litigation. >> Uh yes. >> Okay. Uh as soon as the door is shut, I'll I'll move to go into close session to discuss the ongoing uh litigation involving the White Bear Lake fire contract. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> All opposed. >> All right. All right, chief. >> Is it time? We're out of Okay, I'll move to come out of close session where we discuss the uh White Bear Lake Fire Contract. >> Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> All right. Um item 12, I need a motion to receive agenda materials and supplements. >> So moved. Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> I need a motion to adjourn at 8:00. >> So moved. >> Second. All in favor? >> I >> All right. An hour. Yay.