All right. I now declare the Plano City Council is convened into open session that all members are present. The council will now recess into executive session in Training Room A to hold a closed executive meeting pursuant to the provisions of Vernon's Texas Codes Annotated Government Code, chapter 551, the Open Meetings Act in accordance with the authority contained in section 551 o 71 to consult with the attorney to receive legal advice and discuss litigation. And section 551 O 74 to discuss personnel matters. Thank you. I now declare the Plano City Council preliminary Open meeting is reconvened in open session that all council members are present. Our first item on the preliminary agenda is consideration and action resulting from the Executive session. Item two is consideration of the 2026 Council meeting dates. Mark, Mayor and Council, we actually have three adjustments from our normal second Monday and fourth Mondays of the month due to some holidays, so we recommend the following changes in May. Monday, May 25th is Memorial Day, so we're recommending a rescheduled date to Tuesday, May 26th. In July, we actually take a council holiday for the month of July, so we recommend rescheduling the Monday, July 13th meeting to allow for that council summer break and recommend that we reschedule that to Wednesday, July 29th. And then last Monday, December 28th, we have a winter holiday break from December 21st through January 5th, and we recommend a rescheduled date to earlier in the month, Tuesday, December 8th. With those adjustments, we think that we have accounted for the holidays that you have listed in the memo, and we believe that this will work for maintaining our two meetings a month policy. With that, I'm happy to answer any questions. All right. Any questions? We'll we'll get that dispersed so everybody can put it on their calendar. Personal. Okay. Next item is consent and regular agendas. Is there any item Council member would like to remove? Council member care? Mr. Mayor, I'd like to remove item G which is the noise ordinance. Ordinance g g as in Gary. Got it. Thank you. Any other item? Okay. Next item is the council items for future agendas, discussion or action. Bob. Yes. I'd like to revisit the park fees associated with development. I'd like to better understand, you know, where that money goes and how it applies, and perhaps revisit how how those work. Okay. All right. Council member Levine. I was going to second that request. Appreciate that. All right. We will go ahead. Just making sure, Council, since it seems to be more informative than the specific decision. Are you okay with the preliminary open meeting for just general discussion? I am, but it depends on what the answer is. Okay, so what is the specific question? My question is if for each there's 14 districts. Correct. If money is received for a district, does the money have to be spent in that district? The short answer is yes, it does. And in that case, this is more informative than I think. I want to revisit the collection of fees in certain areas. We'll be happy to do that. We'll put that on for a preliminary open meeting. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. With that being said, we'll take a recess and return in five minutes. We also decided. Theoretically. And now declared. The Plano City Council is reconvened in open session that all members are present. Will begin tonight's regular meeting, with the invocation led by Pastor Kelvin Foley with the North Dallas Bible Fellowship and the Pledge of Allegiance and Texas Pledge, led by pack 200 charter organization, Christ United Methodist Church. Would you please rise? Let's go before the Lord in prayer. Heavenly father, we just give you glory and we honor you. We praise you, Lord God and Lord, as we come together tonight and make a decisions and reviewing policies and also approving budgets. Lord God and plans. Lord, we're just asking for your divine wisdom. We pray for your blessing over this meeting, Lord God, and we pray for the edification of this incredible city of Plano. Lord, we love you and we praise you. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. Right here. So. Okay. Are you ready? Yeah. Do I speak? No. All right. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to thee. Texas. One state under God, one and indivisible. Thank you. Be seated. Okay. Oh. Hey, guys. Thank you all so much for doing this. Here's here's my little token. So you can you can strap that onto your backpack or whatever you guys want to do. Take whichever color you want. All right. Thanks. Everybody get one. Yeah. Thank you. I miss you. Okay, wait a second, guys. Thank you. Mayor. Thank you so much for that. You owe me a picture. So come here. All right. Right here. We're going to take a picture. All of you guys. Okay. Here. Stand right in front of me. There you go. Are we all good? Can we see? Can I see all your. Can we see everybody? Okay, everybody do this. Right here. Yeah. Okay. There we go. There you go. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thanks, guys. Thanks for being here. Thanks. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. You bet. Absolutely. My pleasure. One more second. Thank you. I'm continuing to pray for you. Thank you. I appreciate. Okay. Comments of public interest. Comments of public interest. This portion of the meeting is to allow up to three minutes per speaker, with 30 total minutes on items of interest or concern, and not on items that are on the current agenda. The council may not discuss these items, but may respond with factual or policy information. The Council may choose to place the item on a future agenda. Our first speaker tonight is Bill Lyell. My name is Bill Lyell, 1724 15th place, Plano, Texas. I'm reading tonight out of article 14. In our zoning ordinance starts. I'm starting at 14 at section 400. So 14.400 classification of new and unlisted uses is what's in bold. That's how the article or the sections titled it says. It is recognized that new types of land uses will develop, and forms of land uses not anticipated may seek to locate in the city of Plano in order to provide for such changes and contingencies, a determination as to the appropriate classification of any new or unlisted form of land use shall be made as follows dot one says the question concerning any, any new or unlisted use shall be referred to the Planning and Zoning Commission, requesting an interpretation as to the zoning classification into which such use should be placed. The referral of the use interpretation question shall be accompanied by a statement of facts, listing the nature of the use and whether it involves dwelling activity sales processing, type of product, storage amount and nature thereof. Enclosed or open storage, anticipated employment, transportation requirements. It goes on and on and on. Going to Dot two. Now the Planning and Zoning Commission shall consider the nature and described performance of the proposed use and its compatibility with the uses permitted in the various districts and determine. The zoning district. Or districts within which use shall be permitted. Dot three. Now, if the Planning and Zoning Commission determines that the proposed use should be added to the use tables of section 14 dot 100 and section 14 dot 200, the Zoning ordinance shall be amended after public hearings before the Planning and Zoning Commission and the City Council. I've only got a minute left, so I'm going to skip to article eight now. But I accentuated shall several times in my reading there, because shall matters. If you go to article 88.100 interpretation of language, it tells us the word shall is mandatory and not discretionary. In this time I have only read you the article. I'm sorry the laws that you guys have adopted out of article 14 and article eight. Thank you. Any other speakers? There are no other speakers. All right, let's move on to the consent agenda. Consent agenda? The consent agenda will be acted upon in one motion and contains items which are routine and typically noncontroversial. Items may be removed from this agenda for individual discussion by a council member, the city manager, or any citizen. The presiding officer will establish time limits based upon the number of speaker requests. Maria. Mr. Mayor, I move to approve the consent agenda. Except for item G. Thank you. I'll second the motion. Thank you. Have a motion to. Accept the consent agenda. With the exception of item G. Please vote. Motion passes 8 to 0, item G. Item G to repeal Ordinance number 2023, dash nine. Dash 18, codified as article five of chapter 14 offenses. Miscellaneous of the City of Plano. Code of Ordinances and replacing it with a new article five noise of Chapter 14 offenses. Miscellaneous of the City of Plano. Code of ordinances providing that the entertainment venue provisions do not apply to food service establishments, and providing new defenses to prosecution for restaurant and food service establishments under certain circumstances, and providing a repealer clause, a severability clause, a savings clause, a penalty clause, a publication clause, and an effective date. Okay, Council Member Kerr. There was a section also on landscaping and things in residential area. I believe in this ordinance. Am I correct in that? Who do we have? Let me also get get to the real question of this. If we amend the time, the times at all, particularly on the weekends, is there a cost to the city notifications, that sort of thing? Good evening. I'm Rachel Patterson, director of environmental health and sustainability. Are you talking specifically about the 11:00, 10:00 11:00? As far as enforcement goes, it would be minimal cost to the department. It's not going to make that much of a difference as far as notification to the public of the change. I just spoke with Shawna Haley, our communications and community outreach director, and she said that cost would be fairly minimal as well. Okay. Thank you. I was just thinking for myself that oftentimes things start up very early on the weekends, and there's a lot of noise in the neighborhood. And then I'd like to adjust the ordinance to move the time to a little bit later in the morning before things can get started. Okay. Go ahead. Hold on, hold on. Maria. There you go. Go. So are you proposing that we don't repeal item G and then amend it instead? I'm not quite understanding. There's a there's a replacement that comes in there that includes. No ordinance around noise in the neighborhoods as well as restaurants and that sort of thing. And so in the update, I'd like to talk about perhaps moving the time to late and which you can have noise, particularly landscaping in the mornings on the weekends. Right now it starts at seven. That's right. Yeah. The daytime hours are 7 to 10 p.m, 7 a.m. To 10 p.m. This the changes that we're making tonight need to be made before September 1st. Because these are legislatively required changes right now. Our ordinance would not be in compliance with those with the legislation. If we don't get these changes made tonight, that doesn't mean that we can't discuss adjusting daytime hours in the future. But the process for that, I'll leave that to Mark, to talk, to speak to. Sure. And, Councilman, we're happy to consider that and maybe bring that back as discussion. But I think that the substantive changes that are being made, as Miss Patterson said, was to bring us in compliance with the state. If you want to amend this now and to have that, you can make a recommendation for exactly what you're looking for. We would need council to consider amending that kind of as it is right now. I would say that we have not done an impact analysis on that. So there's some homework that we would still probably want to do to make sure that we're we're fully informed in that. But we can do this in, in one part or in multiple parts, whatever is more convenient for you all. Well, with that being said, I recommend that we move forward as as presented presented here. Thank you for that and we'll revisit that another time if necessary. And we're happy to put that on an upcoming preliminary to make sure that it's on a future agenda for us to discuss. Absolutely. Thank you. So again, I will move to accept item G as presented. Okay. I'll second that with and I'll also second it being placed on the agenda for future discussion with regard to the time. Okay, so we have a motion a second to approve item G on the consent agenda. Please vote. Motion passes 8 to 0. Next item. Items for individual consideration. Public hearing items. Applicants are limited to 15 minutes presentation time with a five minute rebuttal if needed. Remaining speakers are limited to 30 total minutes of testimony time, with three minutes assigned per speaker. The presiding officer may amend these times as deemed necessary. Nonpublic hearing items. The presiding officer will permit public comment for items on the agenda not posted for a public hearing. The presiding Officer will establish time limits based upon the number of speaker requests, length of the agenda and to insure meeting efficiency, and may include a cumulative time limit. Speakers will be called in the order. Requests are received until the cumulative time is exhausted. Item one public hearing and consideration of an ordinance as requested in Zoning Case 2020 5-4 to amend the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance of the city Ordinance Number 2015, dash five two as heretofore amended. Rezoning 19 acres in Collin County, Texas, located at the northeast corner of U.S. Highway 75 and State Highway 190, and within the 190 Plano Parkway and Expressway Corridor Overlay districts, rezoning 2.2 acres from planned development. Dash 58 Dash corridor commercial to corridor commercial and amending the remaining 16.8 acres within planned development. Dash 58 Dash corridor commercial to remove mixed use development standards and creating a new permitted use of commercial flex warehouse with with associated development standards directing a change accordingly, and the official zoning map of the city and providing a penalty clause, a repealer clause, a savings clause, a severability clause, a publication clause, and an effective date. Good evening, Mayor and Council. I am Christina Day, the Director of Planning here to present zoning case 2025 004 to you this evening. So first up, we have a aerial photograph of the site for consideration. This is an existing plan development district. It is you can see the notice boundaries. The kind of interior buffer is 200ft where we're required to notice by state law. And then the extent of the 500 foot boundary that is in plano's ordinance. This surrounding area is zoned corridor commercial, including a plan development that's corridor commercial with multifamily housing immediately to the east. And then the city of Richardson is across George Bush to the south. This again, is the property. There's really this is an attempt to split the track. Currently, the PD is unified. However, tract one will be retained the plan development standard, while track two is proposed to revert back to the base corridor. Commercial zoning district. So the request to amend the PD includes three primary purposes one to remove the mixed use development standards that are there today. This property was rezoned a few years ago to a mixed use development. However, the owner has not chosen to move forward with that development and is requesting this change. Then for that associated change, there are proposed standards for a modified warehousing operation on tract one, and then again to rezone track two to straight zoning of corridor Commercial. So this is a type of development and operation. There's an existing development in the city in the light Industrial one zoning district. The corridor commercial district doesn't fit perfectly. So the allowance of the plan development district that existed on site allows us to modify the uses to incorporate additional uses on site, and also try to mitigate some of the impacts of those uses that wouldn't otherwise be allowed. So the PD is to allow some additional uses and also prohibit some uses. The uses also are limited in scale based on the needs of the tenant, and there are shared common facilities that are proposed with this use. They'll be having things like conference rooms, truck docks, break areas, and this kind of sets this aside a little bit from what we might see in another warehousing or straight manufacturing operation. So this is again intended to be for individual tenants as a kind of business incubator for small business. So with those type of uses, we're looking at really a mix of uses allowed on the site, things that might be warehouse, distribution center, service contractors, light or moderate manufacturing studios, workshops, print shops. These are the type of uses that in discussions with the applicant, they're expecting to see based on their properties. Elsewhere, you can see distribution center, warehouse and moderate manufacturing are limited in scale. Those are because those uses are not currently allowed in the base corridor commercial zoning district. Prohibited uses. The applicant has agreed to prohibit certain uses that we either thought would cause confusion or conflicts with the zoning ordinance or other codes, such as the health code. With personal service shops trying to regulate things like ventilation. Same with restaurants. So there were a number of things we thought could be conflicting. And those are listed in the PD as well. The parking is modified based on the operator's current sites. What their needs are. This parking ratio is less or is still more than what would be required for a typical warehousing operation, which would be 1 to 1000. This is 1 to 600. It would allow that reduced ratio would allow additional parking on the property, because it's reduced from what fries was required to have and what's provided on the site. So it would allow some development likely to be on the western part of the Plano Parkway frontage. And there's also some parking that's being set aside for fleet vehicle storage and loading areas. So the site plan has some specific details. We've kind of colored this in. So you can hopefully tell a little more what's going on here. I know the these plans can get very detailed with lots of labels. So there is a restriction in the PD to no more than eight truck docks. There are two existing truck docks on the south side of the building. There's a proposal for four truck docks on this plan, but they want the flexibility to potentially add two more in the future so that those locations are shown. They also have exterior entrances and exits for some of their lease spaces that are shown also in purple along the edge of the building on the east and west sides. That was discussed extensively at the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting, and the Planning and Zoning Commission made a recommendation to approve the associated plan with modifications based on showing more detail on those loading areas. So those have been shown on the plan that's included in your packet and that's been updated. Additionally staff's recommending some changes to the ordinance to accommodate that. So it's clear that those standards will run with the land as part of the zoning. So that also is included in your ordinance and in your packet. There is a living screen that's proposed on the west side of the property. That is to shield the adjacent properties from the loading areas and the fleet vehicle storage that they have in orange on this site. So operational considerations, we did want to restrict outdoor activity. All the activity needs to be internal to the building, manage the loading areas and delivery vehicles. Because of the potential impact on the adjacent residential, we looked at compatibility extensively and IT hazards in discussions with building inspections, the health department, the fire department. So trying to really determine and foresee any potential conflicts with this use. So with that, we've worked out a process for review of individual occupants uses on a monthly basis. Because the certificate of occupancy will have a list of uses. But then we'll need to verify those for the individual tenants within the building. So this does conform to the comprehensive plan. It is meets the priorities and is neutral to the mix of uses. We did have a letter of opposition, but that opposition letter has been withdrawn. Staff received that just within an hour before the meeting started. So this will no longer require a supermajority, but a simple majority vote of council to approve this request. There were then one. That letter within 200ft has been withdrawn. So there's one other request from a residential property in Plano that's mapped here for you to see the location. And that information was provided to you via email today. So the Planning and Zoning Commission recommended this case by a vote for 8 to 0, and it no longer requires the six votes, but just a simple majority. And if the motion would please specify the changes proposed on the cover memo and as part of the ordinance are included. Additionally, the applicant has proposed some changes to item three F just to try to clarify that language, I'll let them present more about that to you, but I have the details on that that I can show on the overhead for the public as well as you have an amended part of your ordinance that's been distributed to you. It's the end of my presentation. If there are questions. Thank you. Any questions for staff? Council member care? I have a couple of questions. How does the public storage aspect compared to the tenant storage? It seems to me to be to function essentially the same, right? The way the zoning ordinance is written, the mini warehouse public storage definition limits unit sizes to 500ft■!S. And so that's why we wanted to prohibit that use on site, because we wanted to make it very clear that, one, that size limitation was not there. And this is really for business operations. That's the focus. I mean, the applicant can answer that more clearly, but it's not so much personal storage. But for the business functions. Very good. Now plan development can have its own uses and restrictions. That is and this is specific to just this area. That is correct. It would just apply to this property. You mentioned that there would be living screens put up along the West side, who will own and maintain that the property owner will own and maintain the living screen. Thank you. You're welcome. Council member Lavon. Thank you. Mayor. You mentioned that outdoor activities were prohibited. If, let's say one of the tenants wanted to put up a pop up and have some sort of an event outside the facility to show off their wares and such, would that be prohibited? I think they still could get a itinerant vendor permit from the building inspections department. I think the concern was really things that are outdoor operations. Like we had some conversations about things like window tinting or other like vehicle vehicle repair, washing vehicles, things that were generally vehicle related, but that were going to occur outsid. And so that it was staff's concern that those might not be compatible with the residential across the street. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, thank you. Appreciate it. I'll open the public hearing. So Bill Dahlstrom, the applicant. How do I start the presentation? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Council, my name is Bill Dahlstrom 2323 Ross Avenue. Thank you for this opportunity. It's a privilege to be here on behalf of workspace the owner and operator of this facility. I'd like to thank Kristina and her staff. We did spend a lot of time looking at a lot of issues that I typically don't think we look at during a regular zoning process. We got into a lot of building code issues, a lot of safety, fire code issues as it relates to the building. So this was very been very well scrutinized. This this proposed use, uses of the property. As Kristina said, this is more of a creative application of warehouse space in the city, and it is a unique business concept that we're proposing. Jason Thornburg from From workspace is going to give a lot more of the detail and some more pictures of what that is they're proposing. But again, what we're doing is requesting a modification of the PD to allow this use. Actually, it's a combination of a lot of uses that are already permitted in the code. We're putting it under this umbrella use. And as Miss Day said, we are asking you to approve the recommendation of approval. There was one thing we found late last week that was a little bit of a needed, a little bit of a clarification, and it isn't three f where it states that loading for short term for it's intended for short term pickup and delivery. On site storage of delivery vehicles is prohibited. No delivery vehicles. But then the next paragraph said we can do fleet vehicles and I could see a potential conflict there. On one one side you get you provide no on site storage of delivery vehicles. But then the next paragraph says you you can do fleet vehicles. So we had suggested some language that you see in front of you to avoid a conflict down the road. At that, I'm going to ask Jason Thornburg to come up and give a presentation on who where space is and what their their proposal is. Thank you. Jason Thornburg with workspace 10632 Little Patuxent Parkway. Christine, if you could help me get the presentation back up. Good Plano TV, please switch back to the PowerPoint. Thank you. Thank you. So our company is workspace. So we our real estate company operate around the country with about 2,000,000ft■S currently rapidly expanding, catering solely to small businesses serves as a small business incubator space. Think mom and pops who have outgrown their garage, their basement, but aren't large enough to go rent traditional warehouse space. You're thinking five 10,000 100,000ft■!S. This allows tenants to come in to grow in their space, and as opposed to having to burden themselves with lease of space they may not need at the time. So with that, we really pride ourselves with the sense of community that we're creating in these spaces, and find a lot of our tenants end up helping each other out and working together collaboratively. Through this, we separate or provide areas of conference rooms, shared logistics, break rooms, restrooms, all inclusive Wi-Fi. Everything's baked into one rent so that as a small business, getting their first taste into the real estate world of getting a lease, they can go to one stop shop. And here it is and operate their business and focus on the core of what is their business and some of these other nuances that may have to grapple with those things at this time of their gestation period. So. So with that, one thing we like to do is we pride ourselves on adaptive reuse. This building here, the former Fry's Electronics. Retail location that no longer is use and trying to breathe life into this corridor and reinvigorate this building by repurposing it for the small business incubator warehouse, storage space. As far as the access to the building, other than the loading docks that we've talked about adding predominantly remain the same outside of paint, and then some signage that will go through the building processes and zoning processes for signage. But again, just trying to again breathe life into what's been sitting there for the last couple years post Covid. So with this, as you can see, we divide this up into myriad of units, varying in sizes from about 500ft■!S or 300ft■!S in this location, up to about 2500ft■!S, allowing tenants to move throughout the building as they see fit and as their business grows, or maybe contracts or otherwise to suit their needs. In addition, we break out provide office space that tenants can rent separately should they decide not to use their set up shop as far as offices in their units and use it solely for storage. So again, providing a lot of flexibility through that, through these these spaces, once stabilized, we're projecting between 100 and 150 small businesses would be calling this workspace in Plano as their home. Group. So like I said amenities wise we provide common communal areas for break rooms. And that as opposed to a tenant having to use that in their space and allocate other square footage conference rooms that tenants can reserve and use for meetings with audio visual capabilities and again, provide that kind of home sense of an office. Typical corridors, trying to keep them nice and clean, inviting spaces that allow can allow those small businesses to thrive. As far as our tenants, it varies as far as the uses, and that's one of the great things we've been able to work with staff on in helping to accommodate is. Again, whether it's e-commerce or contractors who need it for storage, you know. Logistics, again, small assembly of widgets and otherwise, again, kind of cast a wide. Net as far as the number of tenants and types of tenants that can, you know, call this place as home. But again, the primary purpose of this is storage and warehousing space for these businesses and is not for individuals to rent as a public, you know, public storage many warehouse. Just kind of run through a couple of different types varies from unit to unit, from type to type, across our portfolio. Right now, we currently operate 12 locations around the country, and with another roughly ten in varying stages of construction entitlements and going through the real estate sequencing. And with that, try to keep it brief. Any questions I can answer from council? Okay. That's my care. Yeah. Very good. I do have a couple of questions. Were there are there any unexpected uses that your tenants started to do in other areas where you already have this in existence? Not that we found. Again, we have a full site on full time, on site general managers who operate this. Again, we own, manage, actively operate these facilities as opposed to being, you know, on the on the periphery. So again, our, our general managers, as they're going through the leasing phases, really serve as that first line of defense and running through what is and is not allowed, as we've worked with staff on, to make sure that we're staying in compliance with all zoning and building code regulations, fire code as well. Are there any any additional services you're offering to your tenants? Perhaps access to funding venture capitalists, that sort of thing? We have partners who, from a marketing standpoint, that again, who've aided small businesses around the country, whether it be from lending or from a labor standpoint that tenants need help in, let's say, a busy holiday season to get shipments out or otherwise partner, but not as far as in-house through us. But we try to collaborate and make those connections for tenants. What are the contract lengths? It varies, typically starting around 12 months. Okay. Very good. I like this as an entrepreneur, this would have been a great place to start instead of in my living room or something like that. So I think you're offering a great service to our potential tenants here. Mayor Pro Tem. Yeah, I actually I joined with Councilman Care about this is really a great idea. It's kind of like what is currently in trend with a shared office space where, you know, you don't have to have your own office or own office building, but you could share it with other people to cut down costs and to really to, to actually sometimes to network. But this is more specifically for those people who are involved in more product line and e-commerce, where they really need to ship out or ship in. But the only question is, do you do you believe that that's going to create a lot of traffic in the areas of in and out, or they're coming in and out of the warehouse? No, typically not. Again, we you know, the nice thing with our adaptive reuse and the types of buildings we can use, it runs the gamut from office buildings to old retail to purpose built industrial warehouses. In all of those cases, whether it be retail or office, our use and as our traffic is substantially less than the traffic generated by those uses on the original contemplation of the building. Thank you, Deputy Mayor, can you go back to screen 42? I just didn't read all of it before you flipped to the next page. Okay, good. I was curious about the recreation uses. Okay. Thank you. Councilmember Quintanilla. Thank you. Mayor, I do have a question. You showed 24 hours surveillance, but what are your hours of operations for your tenants? Is it 24 hours or their 2020 four hours? So that is one of the nice things. Again, tenants as they're starting up their businesses, sometimes they may be doing this on the side as a side hustle or still working their full time job. With this facilities being able to be accessed, also access control, security, audio, video recording and that they have the ability to go on at the time that meets their needs for their other personal schedules. Okay. And then my follow up question, is there security on staff for it? So we do not do active security, you know, guarded security otherwise. Okay. So then patrolling that area with our own police officers from time to time or call volumes. I'm just curious from a safety standpoint. Yeah, we have a lot of cameras around the facility, both interior and exterior, to try and cover bases that are recorded and can help provide that sense of security for the tenants. Yeah, but cameras don't help with real time, correct? Yeah, yeah. No questions. All right. Thank you Jason. Appreciate you appreciate it. There's one more speaker. We have one speaker tonight, Bill Lisle. Good evening. Good evening again. Council. As an entrepreneur, I'm not against this use. I'm really not I think it's a great idea. I think what you all need to know is there's two of these that already exist in Plano, in zoning districts that actually allow warehouse. One is on Plano Parkway in a district that's zoned ly one. Another one is on 10th Street. That's zoned Ly one. We have other districts, such as the Lake District, that are more permissive than corridor, commercial or warehouse is allowed to some degree, and none of this gets around what I mentioned in the public comments, which is what our laws say. The laws are very clear when we have a new use. Interestingly, Miss Days presentation and the applicant's presentation didn't talk about this being a new use at all. But I have before me remarks from the staff preliminary report where it says Commercial Flex Warehouse. The petitioner is proposing to create a new use of commercial flex warehouse within this plan development district to be defined as follows. The reason we know that they're not just talking about something new on this site is because they go through and they define the use. But interestingly, article eight, where our definitions go is not being updated as part of this 14 114 200 where we go through and we talk about where this use all the different zoning districts that this this use would be allowed in. We're not updating those. We are essentially going around our law to create a an allowance for one user. So what happens when somebody outgrows the 20,000ft■S that they're allowed in this warehouse. And they want to go get a warehouse and they want to take the 30,000ft■!S they need, and then they want to start leasing out spaces. Well, what they're going to find is there's only one person allowed to do this in corridor commercial, and that's the people that are before you tonight, based on the way it's been going, based on the way that staff is going about this. I mean, do our laws matter? The laws were clear. It says, shall it's mandatory. It's not an option. You know, I've only brought you what the law says and what staff is saying. Staff says it's a new use and that's why they defined it. I don't know why we're not updating this where it could be available to other people. Or would staff maybe not support it in most circumstances in court or commercial? Well, there's a way to do that as well. You say it's only available by sup. So there's a lot of ways to do this and follow the ordinance, but the way that they're doing it in this circumstance doesn't follow the ordinance. Maria, I know in the past, you know, you were like, hey, did you take this to staff? I've spoken at both planning and zoning meetings. I've made my concerns known before coming here tonight, so I don't know what else to do other than tell you. I think our, our, our laws matter. It's what you all have adopted. And I think there's a reasonable expectation that we would follow them. Thank you. No more speakers. Okay. We'll close the public hearing. Confine the comments to the council. Deputy mayor, I want to speak to Bill's comments. I understand, Mr. Laws. Your concern is not about the use itself or the specific applicant, but rather whether the proper public process for introducing a new land use, as outlined in article 14.4 is being followed. And I believe his point about maintaining transparency, fairness and consistency in how new uses are evaluated and introduced is well taken. I do think it's important that that our stakeholders and businesses feel like they've got a level playing field when they want to come do business in Plano. With that being said, I think it's a it's a great use and it it should be introduced as a new use and we should be as we're going through our rewrite and evaluating different areas, we should consider where is the best place for this. I do understand initially I think I, I was ready to propose. Let's make it a new use under this zoning category. But the more I've thought about it and knowing how each space is very unique, I don't know that we can do that without there being unintended consequences. So I think more work would need to be done to really evaluate what makes sense for this type of use. But I agree with Maria and Bob about it being a great thing for Plano. I think adaptive reuse of vacant, obsolete properties like fries, areas that are difficult to repurpose under current zoning. It's a good thing. It's good for us. It makes properties marketable. Again, preventing long term vacancy and blight. You know, the adaptive reuse is a lot cheaper than than the demolition and new construction. This is an opportunity for job creation, economic development, flexibility of modern business models. I mean, I really I think it's a it's a great concept that space has been empty for way too long. I think it could actually revitalize the area and activate the area. I've been in a competitor space in Plano, and it is very much that incubator, kind of cool entrepreneurial networking opportunity to meet people and brainstorm and support each other and build community. And I think it's a good thing. It makes me sad to think that there could be more opportunities like this in the city that maybe we aren't, you know, businesses aren't even looking at because they don't have the means to try to push for the rezoning or the special use permit or whatever is needed. So with that being said, I support this, but I, I do believe that we need to look at adding this as a, as a new use and evaluating where we can write that in. And I don't know if Christina wants to speak to if we can approve this, with that being a caveat or not. So Deputy Mayor Pro Tem, I think I understand your sentiment, but for this item, we we're focused on this specific land use for that specific parcel, the way that this is noticed. So I would say that for your consideration for this, I understand the direction of bringing this back as a broader use in doing that. And so that would be something that we would want to have as a separate discussion from, from this particular. So can I go ahead and raise that as a future agenda item that we will just. Okay. But so separately. So okay. So I mean, I just I do appreciate Mr. Lisle's desire for transparency. I do think it's important. I guess the way I, I looked at it was if I was I'm a former small business owner, had a restaurant, if I was looking for a place to put my restaurant and thought I could go right here, and there's no competition around me because nobody else, you know, it's, for example, if it was residential all around and I thought this was a good, good place, and then I found out someone could come in and change the zoning and increase the, the competition. It to me, it just levels the playing field, I think. I think the use is a good use as. And Mr. Lyle didn't dispute that. But I, I want to make sure that we're we're making it available across the city where it makes sense. So with that being said, I would make a motion to approve it. And then I'd like to address later us looking at at how we can add that into future land use. So you want to add motion to approve with the amended language that the applicant had. Yes. Christine, is that what we need, the amended language. Is that all we have to say or do you need more specific? The ordinance that's presented is a modification from what PNC heard because of their action on the site plan. So the ordinance presented to confirm that that's what you want to do, as well as the changes presented by the applicant. Okay. Are you okay with that? I'm fine with that. Yes. Okay. So before I second, I also wanted to concur with what Deputy Mayor Pro Tem has discussed. I think Mr. Lyle brought up a really good point with regard to if it's being offered to one company as special use, why is it not available for other similarly situated businesses who may want to also develop some type of use, like the one that is being presented, which is unique? And I'm glad that you have one of the first. But and I think the, you know, I have talked to the staff and I've also thought about it on my own and also talked to deputy mayor, Mayor Pro tem about it, that we need a little bit more research in order to make this, quote unquote, the universal standard for everybody, because we don't know what the situation is for every piece of proposed property that is coming before the city. And however, we also want to promote it as something that could happen in a certain area, but not in other areas. So with that said, I second the motion and I also second the request for additional consideration with regard to further research into the wording of potential revision on the on the zoning language. Councilmember horn, thank you. I just want to leave you out. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Appreciate it. And I appreciate Deputy Mayor Pro Tem Homer's comments. And also Mayor Pro tem two's also. Mr. Lyle, do appreciate your comments and attention to detail and the legal matters here. And I do agree with you that it is we need to make it fair for everyone. A couple of things about this particular case. Everyone knows of the Fry's facility. First time I saw the reuse was back when planning and zoning days. And you know, if you remember, we had an industrial or not industrial, but it was going to be office space. There was going to be attached family housing, and there was also a hotel behind it. Well, after we passed that and council passed it, I think the people end up selling the property. They just never really was able to come to come to terms on it financially. But looking at this new use here, I see a golden opportunity. I'm thinking of the all the businesses that started in garages. Jeff Bezos selling his books out of his garage, Bill gates putting a computer together, Steve Jobs working out of a garage. This is the type of incubator space that those of us who like to park our cars in garages would like to have available to start, as Mr. Kerr said. Or Councilman Kerr said would have been perfect for his business. And I just think it's just a great opportunity. It's compliant with the comp plan. I mean, it's got all the bells and whistles. So again, I think this is a really smart move. I think it's a great opportunity for that particular space. Maybe if this is so successful, we'll need additional space for this. But for this incubator spot, and we like to think we're on the cutting edge of that. This is a great opportunity for those that want to start new businesses. We always praise our large businesses that are here in town, but this city's excellence is built on small business, so I'm all for it. So that's my comments. Thank you. Thank you. I have a motion a second to approve item number one. Please vote. Thank you. Motion passes 8 to 0. Next item. Thank you very much. Thank you. Item number two public hearing and consideration of an ordinance as requested in Zoning Case 2020 5-8 to amend article ten Nonresidential districts of the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance of the City Ordinance Number 2015. Dash 5-2, as heretofore amended, to remove part D of subsection 10.130 0.4, consistent with the implementation of Ordinance Number 2011, Dash 5-7 and providing a penalty clause, a repealer clause, a savings clause, a severability clause, a publication clause, and an effective date. All right, this may be a record for one of the most straightforward zoning cases that we've had. This is the speaking of transparency. We found through research on staff that there was an error in the ordinance. The Research Technology District was amended in 2011 to remove a specific section inadvertently when the zoning ordinance was repealed and re-adopted in 2015, that section was included. It must have been in a working copy that someone didn't catch. So we are back to say, let's delete that subsection, because it does have requirements that, at least in 2011, were not recommended by the council at the time. So we'd like to go ahead and move forward with removing the language. We did have one letter in support from a property in that area. And you'll see it's parking requirements that are impacted by this change. So the Planning and Zoning Commission did recommend approval unanimously 8 to 0. And I'm available for questions you might have on this item. Thank you Christina. Any questions for staff. Thank you. Mayor Pro Tem. Your honor. Your honor, Mr. Mayor. Yes, it's close enough. Long day. I this is motion to approve. This is a public hearing. Motion to approve, Your Honor. No, this is a public hearing. I've got to open the public hearing I don't have. I appreciate that, though. All right, I'll open the public hearing. There are no speakers for this item. I will close the public hearing. Confine the comments to the council now. Mr. Mayor, motion to approve. Mr. Mayor. Second. Okay, so I have a motion, a second to approve item number two, please vote. Give him a second. Okay. Motion passes 8 to 0. Thank you. Item number three. Item number three. Public hearing and consideration of an ordinance related to the Downtown Plano Public Improvement District approving the 2025 oh Annual Service Plan Update. Levying assessments against the assessed property and establishing a lien on such property. Providing for the collection of assessments, creating a charge and lien against the assessed property. Providing for penalties for delinquent assessments, resolving matters incident and related thereto, providing for severability and providing an effective date. Good evening Council, I'm just waiting to see if our Davis Library link is up. Oh, great. Perfect. Peter Brasseur, director of Special Projects. I'm here tonight to walk you through another public hearing for our annual assessment. This is, again, a public hearing and then an ordinance to levy that assessment. Happy to answer any questions. Okay. Any questions for staff. All right. I'll open the public hearing. No speakers for this item. All right I'll close the public hearing, confine the comments to the council. Council member horn. Mr. Mayor, I move. We approve. Agenda item number three. Thank you. Council member Kerr a second. Thank you. So I have a motion, a second to approve. Item number three, please vote. Motion passes 8 to 0. Thank you. Item number four. Item number four. To approve an expenditure for engineering professional services for neighborhood traffic management program. Project number t p s 17, in the amount of $110,780 from fair and Pierce for the engineering department, and authorizing the City Manager to execute all necessary documents. Mayor and Council, if you will remember, this item was pulled off during the last budget session and subsequently was brought back a couple weeks ago by council members for reconsideration to begin this study and to look at this only because it's been pulled off and put back on, did I want this brought forward with the public a public vote. But beyond that, there was nothing else to add to this. Just making sure that since we've kind of moved it a couple times, that it was very transparent as far as what was being done. Yeah. I'm Caleb Thornhill, director of Engineering. Be more than happy to answer any questions you have. I've got a few slides, but be happy to answer any questions. I just I don't remember why. Hold on, hold on. I just don't remember why we pulled it off. Mark, if you could just sort of give me a little bit of a refresher. That was during the height of some of our fiscal situations from last year where we were going through some hiring freezes and we were looking at those, so we were scrutinizing every expenditure at that point on the agenda to ensure the timeliness and the necessity of it. This was one that at that time was determined. It could wait a little while. And then we've since brought it back. I mean, it wasn't something that was of a concern to council at the time. It's just that we're trying to balance our budget. That's what it was. That's correct. Okay. I moved to approve. There we go, deputy. I'll second, just to refresh your memory, it was Anthony Ricciardelli brought it back. I think he he wanted to leave council with a clear conscience that his kids were safe. So. But I think I'll second that. It's not a public hearing. Sorry. Did you. I'm sorry. I had this conversation. I have a motion and second to approve item number four. Please vote. This was not a public hearing. Motion passes 8 to 0. Thank you. Caleb. Next item. Good evening. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Item number five, public hearing on the fiscal year 2025 Dash 26 recommended budget and the fiscal year 2025 Dash 26 Proposed Community Investment program. Okay. Good evening, Karen Rhodes Whitley budget Director. Tonight, we are scheduled to do a public hearing on the operating budget and the proposed capital improvement program. Right now, the total budget, including all the funds, is $788 million. Out of that, the general fund is $412 million. Our tax rate that's included in the recommended budget is 41.7 $0.06, and our community investment program totals $319 million. And this is a public hearing that was the fastest you've ever gone. Karen, I was sitting back just relaxing for a nice long. I got more to say here. I'm sure you do. Okay, I'll open the public hearing. There are no speakers for this item. I'll close the public hearing. Confine the comments to the council. Okay? Okay, let's go on to the next item, which is item number six. And we're going to discuss the property tax rate. This is the evening where we need to decide. Y'all need to decide what you want your tax ceiling to be. It will be the proposed tax rate included in the recommended budget was 41.7 $0.06. Since then, we have received both the certified tax roll and the from both Collin County and Denton County. And all the rates have been calculated. So as far as your certified tax roll, it came in at $64.6 million, which was an increase for both the existing properties and new property. Billion, billion, I'm sorry, billion dollars, $64.6 billion. Anyway, it was an increase of 3.79%. Now this year, in the past couple of years, ever since Senate Bill two passed the way, the calculation on the truth and taxation rates, we have to account for the fact that we have properties that are tied up in the court system. The last couple of years, we've been like 8 billion, $10 billion. And it it's an amount that comes off your revenue that you're going to collect for this next year. Our rate this year, though, we ended up with only $5 billion of chapter 42. So what a chapter 42. It's a tax lawsuit that's going through the system. So that equates to approximately $21 million that's outstanding that we don't know when we're going to collect that money. So all that's included in the truth and taxation rates also this year, 1.7 billion is the TIF increment. The tax increment financing, where we have a base amount, any property value growth over that will go into your tips. You have several of them. You've got tip two, tip three, tip four and tip five now. So that equates to $7.2 million that will be transferred to those. And then as far as the revenue property tax revenue that you have coming in between the general fund and the debt service fund, we have $247.4 million coming in to be spent for both operations and the payment of your debt, and that is a 1.76% increase. This is just a look at the average market value for the homes here in Plano. We were at $579,000. We're up to 5.91 for this year. We offer all kinds of exemptions here at the city of Plano, including the 20% homestead exemption. We have abatements, we have a solar power exemption. We have all kinds of exemptions. If you add them all up, they total 15.7 billion. That comes off your roll, which equates to revenue savings from the exemptions of $65 million. Also, we offer revenue savings in the form of a tax freeze to 65 and over. And that is up $2.7 million to $13.7 million. So all that is savings to the taxpayers. A look at your appraisal role. As far as the market value, we do have 650 million in new property growth coming online. Out of that, 11% is for residential accounts, the majority is commercial accounts. At 89%. Your existing property values did increase this year. 70% of that is from your residential property owners, while 30% is for your commercial accounts. This is just another way of looking at your property values. We have them split between residential and commercial. Your total is $64.6 billion. 51% of that is from residential and 49% is from commercial. This is a look at the property tax revenue and where it's coming from. And the 51% is going to be the big blue piece of this chart. So you have 127 million coming in on residential or single family. The orangish yellow part is 37.8% or $93.6 million. And that's coming in from commercial. And then the green is your multifamily. And the central appraisal districts, they consider multifamily part of your commercial tax base. Okay. So you add those two together and that's where you get your 49% that's coming in for commercial. I will tell you this. We did lose existing value on the multifamily side. We had met with both Denton and Collin in central appraisal districts back in May, and they are seeing the appraisal values on multifamily going down, and that's across the county, if not Texas to. Okay this chart. I plan to have it updated for your Thursday night meeting. This chart shows you the different cities and what their property tax rate is for this year. They're all doing the same thing y'all are doing this evening. They're meeting with City Council and deciding what their property tax rates are going to be. So this is our current 2425. This was their adopted tax rate with this chart also shows you is if it's got an asterisk beside it. They do not offer a homestead exemption. If it does not. And you see the H s like on Plano, we have a 20% homestead exemption. So our rate is 41.76%. However, since you offer a 20% homestead exemption, really residential is paying that 33.41 cents as far as the actual amount that they're paying in Frisco has a 15%, Allen's got 5%, and then Dallas has 20 and Garland has ten. If you look at this, though, you will see even though some of them might be a little higher like or sorry, not a little higher, a little lower because you have the homestead exemption. Our residents are paying a lower amount in taxes than these other cities. I do plan on having this updated for your Thursday night meeting to what they're proposing this week for their tax rate. Okay, we're here to talk about property taxes. Property taxes are ran by chapter 26 of the Truth in Taxation, the property tax code. It is four guiding principles. Property owners have the right to know about their increases in their properties, appraised property value, and notified of their estimated taxes. All that was sent out in May to the property owners in the form of a statement that said what the property tax rate was and what their new appraisal values were. Taxing unit must publish its no tax, no new revenue tax rate and your voter approval tax rate before adopting an actual tax rate. And so that's what y'all are going to be determining here in a minute. We have a form that will be issued in the Dallas Morning News. We also have it on the website and it will scroll on our PTV television channel. Also, a taxing unit must publish special notices and hold one public hearing before adopting a tax rate that exceeds the lower of your no new revenue tax rate or your voter approval tax rate. So if for some reason you're not going to be proposing anything over your no new revenue tax rate, you wouldn't have to have a public hearing. But we normally have public hearings regarding the tax rate anyway, and we do have one scheduled for August 25th and then one on September 8th, when you are scheduled to adopt the tax rate. And then the fourth guiding principle is a taxing unit is required to hold an election to approve the tax rate on the next uniform election date, which is in November. If it's decided to adopt a tax rate that exceeds the voter approval tax rate. And I'm going to go into the definitions regarding all these, I did want to show you this. This is the tax rate continuum. And these are the different rates that you're going to see here in a minute. We have a current tax rate of 41.7 $0.06 right now. Included in the recommended budget is 41.7 $0.06. Your no new revenue rate. And we'll go through the definition here in a minute. But basically that's the rate that would generate the same amount of revenues on the properties that were on last year and the properties that are on the road this year. It does exclude all new growth from property. Your voter approval rate this year is 42.8 $0.06. The voter approval rate. The state of Texas says you're allowed to go up 3.5% on your tax rate to go for operations for this next year. Prior to Senate Bill two, it used to be 8%. It's gone down to 3.5%. And I even want to say the legislature is talking about 2.5% in their special election. Then running into the tax code, you're allowed to gather up the pennies between the voter approval rate and whatever tax rate that you adopted, and you can add those to the voter approval rate. And we're going to go through all that here in a minute. This slide here just shows you the amount on the different tax rates. You have to pay your debt first. Your debt rate right now is set at 11.5 $0.00. Anything over that you can have going to operations. So the debt rate is definitely set. We've already sent in all the different tax rates. So that's a done deal. Anything that's decided between here and September 8th will be going on the O and M site. This is a look at where we've been since 2011. The Orange Line was the no new revenue tax rate. The blue line is the actual tax rate that was adopted. So you will see back in 2223, the no new revenue rate was 41.76. The adopted tax rate was 41.76. Since then, they have been adopting over the no new revenue rate. Now, on the certification this year, you're no new revenue rate is a little bit over the 41.7 $0.06. So you will see that out at the 2526. Now let's talk about the rates. The no new revenue rate is the calculated rate that would provide a taxing unit with the same amount of revenues it received in the year before on property tax in both years. So it excludes any new property values. Out of this rate. The if the properties rise, the no new revenue rate tax rate goes down and vice versa. And I have a chart to show you that here in a minute. Your no new revenue rate this year is 41.9 $0.04. This is just kind of a seesaw showing you that the appraised property values go way up. Your no new revenue rate goes down. Appraised property values go down, your no new revenue rate goes up. Basically, this bottom bar is what's gone on with us. Even though we are showing an increase on the existing property side. We have new construction coming in. You have to take that out. You also have to take out your tifs too. So we only are gaining 2% on the property taxes coming in. So basically it's pretty much stabilized out this year. Instead of having really large spikes the last couple of years we had. A 10% increase, a 9% increase in an 8% increase, whereas this year is just 2.74%. Okay. On the voter approval tax rate, state law states that you have to include that additional increment that we're going to discuss here in a minute to your voter approval rate. So the voter approval tax rate is your no new revenue rate. On the O&M side times 1.035%, 3.5% plus your debt rate, which is 11.5 in any unused increment that you have from the last three years. And I'll show you how that's calculated here in a minute. Your voter approval rate, without any increment came in at 42.8 $0.06. So if you take the operation side at 3.5%, don't worry about the unused increment that's gone on the last three years. Your voter approval tax rate is 42.8 $0.06. When you include the increment and you had 1.19 $0.07 left. Out of these last three years, we have to include that into the voter approval rate. And that's what will be published. This 44.0 $0.06 is your voter approval rate. And it will go into the newspaper. So basically that's 3.5% more plus the 1.19 $0.07 that you had left. I know this is very, very small, but at the end of the day, this is the calculation that is done to get your tax increment. The last two years, you didn't have any tax increment left because the City Council approved the 41.7 $0.06 and it was over your no new revenue rate, and it was under the voter approval rate back in 2223. And I remember I pointed it out on that one chart, the no new revenue rate was 41.7 $0.06. The adopted rate was 41.7 $0.06. That's where you're getting your 1.197 $0.04. That will be added into your voter approval rate. So at the end of the day, your voter approval rate that goes in the newspaper, this is a rate is 44.0 $0.06. Now, if for whatever reason you decided we want to go over this voter approval rate, then we have to hold election in November. Karen, can you add real quick the increment that you were describing? It has time limits associated with it as well. This is they allow you to use the increment for three years. So the 22 it says year one foregone foregone revenue amount. That's back from the 2223 year that will roll off this year. So no matter you use it or not, you will not have it available next year to use. You can't use anything from year two, year three, because of the tax rate that was adopted at that time. But we still do have the 2223 tax rate, where the no new revenue rate was adopted. And you still have 1.1974 left out of that year, but it will fall off. Okay. Let's look at all these different rates in how much additional tax revenue you get. If you went with the no new revenue rate, the 41.9 $0.04, $1.2 million could be added into the budget. On the general fund side, if you go with the normal voter approval rate, that does not include that tax increment, you would raise an additional $7.1 million. That would go on the general fund. And if you went with the voter approval tax rate, with the tax increment, which is a 44.6 cents, you would raise an additional $14.9 million. Once again, included in the recommended budget was the 41.7 $0.06. A penny on the tax rate is equates to $6.4 million. If you raise it up half a cent, that's $3.2 million. Now let me show you. This is what all these different rates do as far as if you were to select one of these, what the average tax bill would be. So right now, the 2526 was included in the recommended budget is 41.7 $0.06. It would have an increase of $144, or $12 a month for the average homeowner. Now, the reason even though you're keeping the rate exactly the same as last year, the state allows on the appraised property values to go up 10% per year. So your average taxable value went from 417,000 to 452,000. So any way you went about it that that average home, if that's where they were at, they were going to have $144. If you went with the no new revenue rate, which is the 41.9 $0.04, then instead of $144, it goes $152 for the year. You go with the voter approval rate without the increment up to the 42.8 $0.06, it goes $193. And then the voter approval tax rate with the increment that additional 1.1 $0.09, it goes to $248 for the year. Mayor and council I try to translate that into daily activity since we touch folks daily. So if you go to the 152, it's $0.41 a day. The dollar 90 or 193 is $0.52 a day, and the 248 is $0.68 a day for those homes. Okay. The whole reason we're doing this tonight is we need a record vote on what y'all want the proposed tax rate to be. And I'll show you the schedule that will go in the paper here in a minute. Tonight we need to decide. Y'all need to decide on what your tax rate ceiling will be. We cannot change the debt rate. What you decide tonight it can go down but it cannot go up. So say y'all decide. Oh, $0.44. You can't, you know, September 8th. Go. It's $0.45. You can only go down. Okay. It will be published in the Dallas Morning News August 14th. We will have it on the PTV channel scrolling and then also on the City of Plano website. We need to determine when the next property tax rate public hearing is going to be. Normally, what we do, which I've already got filled out, is you have the tax rate public hearing on the date that you're adopting the budget. We also add in another one and it will be August 25th. And then, of course, y'all are scheduled to vote on the budget, the capital improvement program, and set the tax rate on Monday, September 8th. So here's the form that will be filled out. The proposed tax rates, the number that needs to be decided on tonight, the no new revenue tax rate, that 41.9 $0.04 is already filled out. Your voter approval tax rate is the voter approval rate plus the increment. That's what the state of Texas says we have to post. And then, of course, we have it filled out for Monday, September 8th at 7:00 to do the actual tax rate public hearing. And this has to be a record vote. So the ones for the proposal will be listed any against present, not voting or absent goes on this form. Now this is the front side of the form, the back side of the form. And of course when it goes into the paper it will all be listed together. We have this chart. You have to list out the change for the tax rate increase, increase whatever it is that average homestead taxable value, you receive that from your certified tax roll. So that's filled out depending on what's decided on the actual total tax rate depends on what's going to go on that average homestead. And then the tax levy depending on the tax rate, those numbers will change. So that entire form will go into the Dallas Morning News. Okay. Y'all take it away. Thank you Karen. Council member horn thank you Karen. Now that all our heads are spinning, I know it's really complicated. Yeah. Can we go back to slide 77 real quick? Sure. Yeah, yeah. This is the one I wanted to check here. So we're really what we're looking at here is because we are required to balance our budgets, we're still right now trying to figure out to approve our budgets. But at the same time, we're also trying to look at a tax rate now to cover the cost of services for the City of Excellence. Okay. So there's part of that equation that we really don't know yet because we still haven't finalized the budget part of it. We know there are some outstanding issues that we needed to address. This is where I'm kind of trying to get, you know, for the past three years, we kept it held at 41.76. We kept that for three years. And you, you know, you kind of like to keep that if you can. But we got to cover the cost of services. And this is where I guess I'm having trouble here trying to come up with this, this discussion of what how we choose, where we're going to go to cover the cost of services. So, Councilman, I think it's a it's a good question both for now. And what I would say is also in the future, as you're well aware, the citizens approved a bond referendum that was significant for the community, $648 million, some of it passing with over 71% of the vote towards roads, public safety and municipal facilities. We have not started on those projects. All of those are will come to fruition over the next four years. That's the goal that we have for that. We also have a certain amount of legislative uncertainty as, as Karen mentioned, of what the future voter approved voter approval rate will be, whether it's at three and a half or two and a half, or if there's other caps, if there's other restraints on there that that the legislature may, may put on there. There's also some things that from the Capital Improvement Program, as you'll remember from the bond referendum, that we chose not to include in some of those. So there's other needs, as well as some economic development projects that I have to be quiet about right now, but that you're aware that that are coming up there. Additionally, there's going to be continued needs for programs and services going into the future. So what you have is you have a budget that is proposed right now that is balanced on the 41, 76. But there are some things not included in that. As I've mentioned to you and as I mentioned just now. So the question becomes, what do you choose to fund and how do you choose to fund them? Some of them will be one time costs, others will be recurring costs. But I wanted to make sure that you were well aware that the opportunity that you have now, especially with the unused increment, will go away this year, that that opportunity will not be here next year. And so this is the opportunity to inform council so that you're fully informed as you make that that decision. But I think for council to look at this, I think it's looking at it not just for now, but looking at next year and how we would like to move forward with some of those, those unfunded items. So, Karen, every year I do this. So every year I'm going to I'm this year I'm going to do the same thing. So basically when we are publishing our rate, we're just telling, you know, the public that this is something that we are proposing. But. By the time we actually set our budget, it could be lower than what we're proposing, right? Yes. However, if we like limit ourselves to the minimum, then when we come back and when we finally finalize our budget, we can't go up from what we're proposing, right? That is correct. So every year I do the same thing. I ask that we consider proposing what is the maximum that's allowed, and then allow us to finalize the budget and then and come down from that. We all want to save money. We all live here and as part of Plano, but we do want the best services, and we do have the best services. And we want to make sure that all our personnels are paid in a reasonable manner, and also to make sure that we retain those excellent service and excellent staff. So again, I am going to propose that we, we, we at least propose a tax rate that is the maximum we are allowed and let us finalize our budget. And then to come to the real tax rate that we're going to live with. Yeah. Basically the proposed tax rate, it's your tax ceiling that's really all that rate is doing. It's just telling the public this is the max that we're even thinking about. Most cities, what they do do is they do the max at the voter approval rate because they know they're not going to have an election. They don't want anything to do with the election. And then they come down from there. Council member Lavon. I'm sorry, mayor Pro tem, were you making a motion? I could well, if you were, I was going to second it. That that we go with the 44.0 $0.06. Mr. Mayor, I moved to adopt a proposed am I. Oh, Mr. Mayor, I'm making a I'm moving to propose the proposed tax rate at the maximum that's allowed at the current rate, which is I don't know what it is. 4.4, 4.06, 44.06. It's your voter approval rate, Mr. Mayor, I am seconding the motion to go with the voter approval rate. Okay. So this this will go into the newspaper and we have on September 8th, we will be able to decide decide the final tax rate. That is correct. But it will only be able to go down. Not. That's correct. It only can go down. You also are scheduled at your Thursday evening budget work session. We have another placeholder to discuss the tax rate. We're also doing another tax rate discussion on August 25th. And then of course on September 8th is the final decision. All right. So you got about a month okay. Yeah. It's a point of clarification. We're at the 4406 is the voter approved rate plus the increment. That's correct. So we need to clarify that that you need to amend your motion to have the voter approved rate plus the increment at 4406. Well, at 4406, that includes the increment that includes they were talking, they had the maximum. The state of Texas says that you have to include that increment the word increment when no, you don't include the word increment. That is your voter approval, okay. Tax rate 44.06. No, no. Yeah. It's included. But they're saying you have to do it like that is what the state of Texas says. Okay okay. So the number is sufficient. Yes okay. All right. So I have a motion and a second to approve the ad valorem rate to that goes to the public of 4406. Please vote. Motion passes 8 to 0 okay. Item seven. Okay. All this is and you will see all the paperwork. It's a lot of paperwork. This is your appraisal. Tax roll came in. I have provided you with the Collin County tax roll, including the tax increment financing paperwork. Also, the tax roll that came in from Denton County and all that goes on with this tonight is you're just accepting it. So I do need some kind of vote on that. It's not a public hearing. You just accept it. Why all this the appraisal tax. Yeah. To accept all the tax roll. Council member downs I'll second that motion. Just a sidebar. Denton County does a great job about their reports. Yes, they're very easy to read. Well, they recently they recently changed their computer system. So these are total new reports that we received because of the new software system. Well well done Denton County. Yeah. And also Denton County, they ended up 99.8% of their rolls completely went through the protest period. Anyway, we're done with Denton. Collin County is going to have to have ARB meetings this fall. They only got up to 93%. Interesting. Okay. All right. I have a motion and a second to approve item number seven regarding the appraisal rolls. Resolution. Please vote. Motion passes 8 to 0. Last item is discussion of the proposed 2526 Community Investment Program. You don't have anything you have to say, okay, okay. This evening we are going to go through the community investment program. We have a whole team that is going to provide you with all the projects. At the end of the day, though, your proposed capital improvement program totals $319 million right now, street improvements is 91.5 million. Out of that water and sewer projects is 57.8 million. Parks and rec totals 52.9. Capital maintenance is 48 million. Projects for municipal facilities is 37.5, municipal drainage is 20 million. The park fee program is 7.5 and technology is 3.5. So our first speaker tonight to go discuss the projects is Ron with Parks and Recreation. Thank you Karen. Good evening Council. This is the Parks and Recreation portion of the Community Investment Program, or CIP, for parks and recreation projects. A total of 84 projects, totaling 76 million out of five funding categories. Those categories are recreation centers, Park improvements, the park capital maintenance, or or the CMF fund, Park fee, and municipal drainage for the recreation center category, it's the Tom Muehlenbeck Center. This is the funding to finish up this project that's been going underway. That was a comment during our PNC. We presented this to the Planning and Zoning Commission and the Parks and Recreation portion to the Parks Planning Board. Prior to this meeting, there was a question about how a project would be on one CIP year and then come on the next CIP year, because some of those projects go over a fiscal year, like this project, the Tom Uhlenbeck Rec Center, that is moving along nicely, and we're looking forward to its opening at the end of this calendar year. Park improvements. This is the category that covers the majority of what we do as a parks and recreation department when it comes to our capital projects and those big investments all over the city, funds to renovate or to develop new parkland. These are some examples of some projects. 49.6 million, again all over the city. And we provided a comprehensive memo in your packet that lists all of the different projects in each one of these funding categories for informational purposes. The capital maintenance or CMF fund. This is a nearly 7 million. This focuses on when we can address concerns that we see from the public, or when staff recognizes that something needs to be renovated or improved. We use these capital maintenance fund dollars to do some of these projects or examples that are listed. Again, you can reference the memo for specific information on those. The park fee. We're going to be bringing back some more information on that in a future meeting. $7.4 million of the funds that are collected must be used in the zone, that they are collected and for very narrow purposes, the acquisition or development or renovation of a neighborhood park or a linear park. And the final category is the drainage fund. This is to address erosion or situations like that that are impacting specific park assets, whether it be trails or other improvements that cannot be moved. So this would fund those types of projects. Again, you can reference the memo if you have any specific interest in learning about the details of these. That's concludes the Parks and Recreation portion. Of course, staff will be available to answer any questions. The next is engineering on confirming the reopen date for Mullenbach. So I don't know. I'm not going to give the specific date, but it's towards the end of the year. I think we originally announced it would be December, but the project is moving along very rapidly, so I wouldn't be surprised if it is earlier than our original expected date. So we can make that announcement right now. Yeah. Thank you. Mayor. Yes. Thank you. Ron. Caleb. All right. Hello again. Caleb Thornhill, director of engineering. And I may want to talk to Ron afterwards. With facilities being in the engineering department, I didn't get that memo yet, so. Yeah. All right. Engineering. So we've got 75 active projects proposed for next year. And active mean they can be design or construction. They could be a study or anything along those lines similar to Ron's presentation. We've got project type street improvements, municipal drainage and then the water and sewer. So these are typical project types that we see in each of these categories. So the majority of our work is rehabilitation and that falls in streets. It also includes intersection improvements drainage, the stream bank which we have talked about quite a bit or stabilize our stream bank stabilization, erosion control and drainage improvements. Of course, water rehab would be replacing water mains in neighborhoods for the most part. We do do some of those along arterials and preparation for overlays and then sewer as well. So proposed funding again, this totals up to 119 streets is the big one that we have. And that also includes our transportation improvements, which they have a huge technology package that they're rolling out. And then you can see the other categories there. So these are the projects that we, the Greens are going to be the projects that we completed this last fiscal year. And then the red is what we propose to have under construction next year. So you can see we've spread the pain throughout the city. So I mentioned street improvements. This is G Avenue which is currently under design just down here or close to downtown. So again a lot of those projects are going to be rehabs. They're going to be residential or collector streets. Intersection improvements, bridge repairs. We also include paving and water and transportation with those types of projects. Intersection improvements I've put its own slide on here. The majority of the reasons we do these, we've talked about this before is congestion, but more importantly is safety improvements at these locations. A lot of the improvements include the addition of the left turns, the right turns to increase that or to improve congestion. But we also do geometric changes, update signal poles, update Ada improvements at these locations as well. They're probably our most challenging because there's so many franchise utilities at these locations. So they also require easements. So they do take some time, but they provide quite a huge benefit once they're complete. And there's our map again, green is the what we've completed the last year. Red is what we're proposing for next year. So I mentioned transportation the technology initiatives that they have. This is a photo of our traffic management center. If you haven't been there please come by Brian would love to show you around. It's a fantastic facility here. It also serves as the backup for our EOC. We have several initiatives that we're working on. You can see there on the left, the CCTV has been awarded and we're in the process of rolling that out. Cabinets have have been awarded and we're in the process of rolling those out. Vehicle detection we are working on and should hopefully have that on the streets very soon. The neighborhood traffic calming or traffic management we had on for your consideration this evening. So we have a lot of initiatives that we're working on and technology initiatives that we're working on with the transportation division. Municipal Drainage. We've talked quite a bit about stream bank erosion. We'll talk about that again on Thursday. But that's a lot of the funds that we use for municipal drainage come from erosion control type projects. We also look at drainage basin studies and localized flooding locations as well. Then talked about water. This is just to give you an idea. Last year we completed 21,000 linear feet of water line reconstruction. This year we are anticipating 57,000 linear feet. A lot of that is just to the age of the water line cast iron pipe that needs to be replaced. Obviously we were we have a lot that we have to replace. You can see there the picture is Park Boulevard, phase one that's on the west side of 75. When you're digging those up, Caleb, what are the other utilities that are in that area that cause us a little bit of delay? Just out of curiosity? Well, I appreciate that. So I think it would be easier to tell you which utilities we don't see at those locations. So City of Plano has 33 franchise utility companies within its city limits. At these locations. You know, you can see here this is Park Boulevard, obviously an arterial. We're getting ready for a public works overlay project. So we're updating the water line. We see duct banks for encore. We see high pressure gas mains for Atmos. We see all kinds of telecommunications with AT&T. We see fiber from frontier. We see charter, we see spectrum. And the really fun challenges. Once we start digging and we find something and we ask everybody who this is and they say, that's not us. And so now we run the risk of, do we crack that line open and see actually what's in there like an Easter egg or do we, you know, what do we do at that point? So yeah, they do create several challenges. Last slide for me is sewer improvements. We have some massive sewer projects going along the PGE corridor running from essentially Coit over to 75. We finished an initial phase. We've got two phases actually under construction right now, and we're in the midst of beginning a third phase or fourth phase, depending on how you look at it here in the near future. So we've got a lot of funds expended for sewer next year. And with that, be happy to answer any questions or I will turn it over to Paul. Thank you. Thanks, Caleb. Good evening, Paul Kinzer, engineering Department facilities division manager. We have 47 projects this year, plus two projects. We're running for the parks fund that Ron had talked about just a little while ago, roughly under $19 million. And. The breakdown looks like about 9 million for CIP projects and then $10 million for capital maintenance. We'll go into some of the details on the bond projects, and then a little bit more into the capital maintenance, appoint maintenance facility. This is a new facility taking place of the Shell Parks maintenance facility. It's giving them a much larger building with more capabilities. Right now they don't have a training room on the east side. They don't have enough bays. So this building is going to increase their capacity. Fire station eight, it's been here for over 30 years, has had no major renovations. Recently. We did a project where we converted a broom closet to add another bed. So this building, this really needs more capacity. High point fuel. This is really to increase the facility of the city's ability to withstand another winter storm or, or other weather event. We have 20,000 gallons of diesel here, 10,000 of unleaded, and we have emergency generators to keep it powered and all weather plus redundant communications so it stays connected. And so this is this represents the last of the 21 bond projects back in 21. We're funding small things like roofs overhead doors stuff like that. We got all new elevators for the Justice Center. And then we have capital maintenance this year a large part of our capital maintenance is finishing the second phase of generators, upgrading the generators at Ridgeview Pump to our existing generators are being replaced because they're older, and adding a third to provide 100% pumping capacity. Some safety projects at the police and Neighborhood services building, and different updates to all of our different infrastructure. Whether it's HVAC, we've got brick that we have to repair and seal, and then we have reporting on 400,000. How do I describe supporting the city mission? We have departments that have grown added positions. This is to support those new business needs for those those items, they're over a year old because of last year's budgets. They're being done this year. And then one just 100,000 of sustainability. That's our solar initiatives and stuff like that. We support. Any questions for facilities? Thank you. Good evening. Peter Brasher, director of special Projects. This year's special projects took over the design and construction of new ground up CIP facilities for the city. And we have five projects that were on the bond election in May. Quickly going over that, we have the police headquarters and 911 center, as well as Fire Station 14 here on the corner of Alma and Park Boulevard. We have the new the redo of the police training facility in East Plano, the fleet operations. This is really the big one that was long in need, where we can handle all the new big trucks and things like that. The facility is sort of outdated, so that will be replacing that. And Fire Station three, this will be moving fire station to the new location, which will be a portion of the Foreman Elementary, which is of course, our pisd one of the properties we have on that. And next up is Abby. Thanks, Peter. Good evening. I'm Abby Owens, director of public works. So for public works we have street repair projects and improvements, some traffic infrastructure and then water and wastewater. And as we've kind of talked about before, Public Works does all the maintenance to keep it from getting into the full replacement phase. And then that's when engineering would take over from there. We're about 78 projects and it's just over $81 million for street improvements. It's a combination of bond funding that we are using, the remaining funds we have left from the 21 bond, plus capital maintenance funds to do smaller street and sidewalk projects. So total for streets is a little over 62 million bond funded is going to be arterial concrete repair and overlay. So that's where we'll do concrete repairs first and then come behind that in the summertime and do an overlay project. Residential street and alley is when we go through and do the residential zones, and we'll go through for about two years. We're in a residential area to do all the repairs that are needed. On the left hand side is an example of our lows. Rios Boulevard overlay. And then on the right is Q4. That's one of the residential zones on the Far East side that we're currently working through. And you'll see what we do is we don't replace full streets. What we do is we do the panels, and then you can see the new sidewalk on the right side of the photo as well. Our goal is not to go back into that neighborhood for about 25 years. Other than small repairs. These are the arterial projects. Anything is green and dashed is where we're currently doing concrete repairs, and that's in a future preparation for an overlay. Not necessarily that will be overlaid next summer. It could be the summer after that. And then anything that's red is where we are planning to start work next year with overlays or concrete repairs. This is our residential zones that I mentioned. The ones that are in green are locations that we're currently at or were actively bidding to put a project in that area. And then anything is red is something that we are getting ready to start putting together to start work next year. For street improvements for capital maintenance fund. This is where we'll spend the funding to do what we call requirements projects. This is where contractors will jump around to different areas by work order, and that has to do with the condition of the street and also any sort of complaints or issues that we've received in the meantime. Part of this is also for sidewalk repairs and then horizontal saw cutting. As you see here is one of the items that we've been piloting over the last three years. And it's been very successful. We also use this funding for under ceiling and joint ceiling screening, wall repairs, traffic, all the buttons and pavement markings that you see, guardrails, any sort of signalized intersection repairs as well. For water infrastructure. This is going to be any of our analysis of we do of our large or smaller pipelines, but additional we're starting the construction of the overcoat and inside coating for Parker elevated storage tank. That's funding here. Ridgeview pump station improvements. We recently completed the master plan, so we've got some small repairs and things that we'll do here, and also water valve inventory and exercising. And we're looking at doing chloramine boosting at elevated storage tanks starting next year to help with water quality issues. And then wastewater infrastructure repairs. This particular one is kind of for any of our pump stations that we our lift stations that we do maintenance on. Also, our master plan that we've kicked off that we're working through now, any sort of CCTV inspections with contractors, flow monitoring and lining of sewer mains. And that is my items. So, Abby, can you describe what the benefit of chloramine boosting is going to do and what that's going to help us eliminate that drives some citizens crazy? Yeah, sure. So right now we purchase 100% of our water treated from North Texas Municipal Water District in order to do disinfection, which carries throughout the whole system. They use a combination of chlorine and ammonia. So it's called chloramine. And what this does is it gives us the opportunity to extend the life of the chlorine disinfection that happens. And so we're not doing any sort of altering of the water quality from a treatment standpoint. It's just extending the disinfection in the system so that we don't have to do as much flushing whenever we get to hotter temperatures and lower demands. Thank you. All right. So I have I have one comment and question comments. Last question. So I saw Parker Road and Legacy Road in red. So are we not done with Parker Road Legacy? I mean do we have an ETA as to when that's going to be done? So legacy we are actually and drew is our CIP manager and in public works he can let me know for sure. But we are finishing up sections of Legacy Road that is anticipated to be done soon. And then we will do an arterial overlay. That's why that one's in red for next year. So yes, legacy is almost there for that section. Parker is the same way. We are planning to finish our concrete repairs there and then start with the overlays as well. We will be done with Parker Road and that will be our first road from east to west city limits. That will be completely overlaid as well. Thank you. I appreciate that you don't know how many residents have contacted you. The middle lane is still being worked right now, so we're still laying concrete, but it will be done. That we're working on right now is the section that really needed the most work. That's why it's taken a little bit longer. Thank you. Thank you Abby. Is that it? That's it. Okay. No, no, just a information. All right. There being no further business, the meeting is adjourned. From the gutter, goes down and disperses. We just want to make