>> Mayor Muns: I NOW DECLARE THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING IS RECONVENED INTO OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL COUNCILMEMBERS ARE PRESENT, OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE PRELIMINARY AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION AND ACTION RESULTING FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. OUR NEXT ITEM IS HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROCESS. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE A VERY BRIEF UPDATE TONIGHT ABOUT OUR STEPS IN GETTING THAT HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATION PROCESS UPDATED. AS YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF NOVEMBER THERE WAS DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PROCURING A CONSULTANT THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ASSIST THE CITY IN REVIEWING OUR HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROCESS. THAT WAS A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING THAN EXPECTED, BUT WE HAVE PROCURED A CONSULTANT AT THIS POINT, SO I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU THE UPDATE ON THAT, WE ARE LOOKING AT ABOUT A FOUR MONTH PROCESS. WE WILL START VERY SOON, PROBABLY WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, WITH MEETING WITH THAT CONSULTANT, HAVING THEM REVIEW THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATION PROCESS THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY. THEN WE WILL MOVE INTO A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS SO WE WILL BE MEETING WITH VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS INCLUDING ANY OF THOSE HOUSING DEVELOPERS THAT HAVE PROCEEDED THROUGH THE USINGAX CDIT APPLICATION PROGRAM IN THE PAST, OR ONES THAT HAVE SAID THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN PROCEEDING WITH THOSE IN THE FUTURE. WE WILL ALSO PROVIDE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU AND ALSO THE CRC TO POSSIBLY PARTICIPATE IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF THE COUNCIL AND FOR THE CRC. THEN THE PLAN WOULD BE IS FOR US TO LOOK AT BENCHMARKING CITIES, SO WE ARE GOING TO BE HAVING OUR CONSULTANT LOOK AT OTHER CITIES WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS, THAT HAVE HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATION PROCESSES, AND THEN HE WILL FINALLY MAKE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AT THE END OF THAT PROCESS. SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE A QUICK UPDATE, SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PLAN TO PROCEED, AND MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE IF YOU HAD ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS. >> THANKS, LAURIE, APPRECIATE THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> Mayor Muns: ANY QUESTIONS FOR LAURIE? >> SO I UNDERSTAND WE'RE GETTING THE CONSULTANT, WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THAT TO HAPPEN AND, YOU KNOW -- >> I ALREADY TALKED TO HIM TODAY, WE'RE PLANNING TO HAVE OUR KICKOFF MEETING ON THURSDAY, SO WE'RE HOPING TO GET IT REALLY MOVING VERY QUICKLY. >> Mayor Muns: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. >> SAVED YOU SOME TIME ON YOUR AGENDA. THANK YOU. >> NEXT ITEM IS THE UPDATE, AND DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION, SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE, CHRISTINA? >> >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, AND EXECUTIVES. I AM HER HERE TO TALK ABOUT AN UPDATE ON SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE, WHICH IS PART OF THE RECOMMENDED PROCESS FROM OUR OUTREACH CONSULTANT GAP STRATEGIES, SO WE WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT HOW THIS MIGHT WORK. SO I HAVE SOME DETAILS FOR THAT, ABOUT THAT THIS EVENING. SO I'LL START KIND OF AT GROUND LEVEL, WHERE WE ARE WITH SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROCESS, THE ISSUE WAS INITIATED SEVERAL YEARS AGO. COUNCIL HAS GIVEN DIRECTION. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON OUTREACH AND DATA COLLECTION, AND THEN MORE RECENTLY, COUNCIL'S DIRECTED INTERIM MEASURES, WE'VE GOT A JOINT MEETING SCHEDULED ON MAY 8, WE ANTICIPATE OUT OF THAT MEETING WE WILL START COLLECTING ADDITIONAL DATA AND RESULTING ON ANY TOOLS THAT ARE IMPLEMENTED THERE. THROUGH THAT NEXT STEP, OF OUTREACH AND DATA COLLECTION, WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC PROCESS THAT WILL BE UTILIZED TO DEVELOP SOLUTIONS ASSESS EFFECTIVENESS OF THE CURRENT TOOLS THAT WE HAVE, AND RECOMMEND MORE PERMANENT MEASURES. THAT'S MODELED OFF OF THE ARLINGTON PROCESS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED EXTENSIVELY, AND THEN AT THE END OF THIS, WE WILL HAVE -- BE ABLE TO ADOPT SOME PERMANENT MEASURES, BASED ON OUTREACH, DATA RESEARCH AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY. AND THOSE MAY REPLACE OR CONTINUE INTERIM MEASURES AS WE SEE FIT. SO BASED ON THAT, THE GAP STRATEGIES TEAM HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE UTILIZE A NUMBER OF PUBLIC OUTREACH TOOLS INCLING AOMMUTY SURVEY, A WEBSITE, A TOWN HALL THAT WILL BE BOTH IN PERSON AND VIRTUAL TO GIVE MORE PEOPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO PARTICIPATE, AS WELL AS MEDIA SUPPORT AND INFORMATION. THAT WILL ALL LEAD TO A PHASE I REPORT, SO THE TIME LINE FOR THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS. THE COMMUNITY SURVEY WOULD GO LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF APRIL, AND RUN FOR A MONTH, WITH RESULTS COMING OUT IN MAY. WEBSITE WOULD START THE SAME DATE AS THE SURVEYND RUN THROUGH THE END OF THE PROJECT, SO IT WOULD BE A UNIQUE WEBSITE TO THE PROJECT AND THEN THE CITY WOULD TAKE THAT ON AT THE END OF THE PROJECT. THE IN-PERSON AND VIRTUAL TOWN HALL WOULD BE SCHEDULED FOR LATE JULY OR EARLY AUGUST, AND IT WOULD BE A IN-PERSON -- AGAIN, DON'T HAVE A DATE FOR THAT YET, BUT IT WOULD RUN AFTER THE IN-PERSON MEETING, IT WOULD RUN FOR ANOTHER WEEK SO PEOPLE WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE ONLINE, AND THEN FINALLY WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT. WE'VE ALREADY HAD A MEETING WITH THEM ABOUT HOW WE CAN DO SOCIAL MEDIA SUPPORT AND TRADITIONAL MEDIA SUPPORT, AND CONTINUE TO GET INFORMATION OUT TO THE COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. SO THIS IS A LITTLE LESS REFINED, BUT BECAUSE IT'S THE PHASE II OUTREACH, I THINK THIS WILL BE INFORMED BY THE PHASE I PROJECT. IT WILL INVOLVE RECONVENING THE TASK FORCE, CONTINUING THE SOCIAL MEDIA OUTREACH, THE STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH, A SECOND TOWN HALL EVENT, MORE PUBLIC INFORMATION, EDUCATION OUTREACH ON POTENTIAL OUTCOMES, AND THEN A FINAL REPORT AND THEN ONGOING UPDATES TO P&Z AND COUNCIL. SO WITH THAT, GAP STRATEGIES DID RECOMMEND USING A TASK FORCE. THIS IS A CLIP THAT CAME STRAIGHT OUT OF THEIR PROPOSAL. IT DOES SHOW THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN THIS GROUP BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEY WILL HELP DEFINE THE PROJECT GOALS, GAIN THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND INPUT FROM A GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS. ALSO, HELP US KIND OF CAREFULLY WALK THROUGH THE ALTEATIVESND OPTIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT TWO TO THREE MEETINGS OF THE TASK FORCE IN THE FIRST PHASE, SO NOT A REALLY SUBSTANTIAL TIME COMMITMENT, BUT STILL SOMETHING THAT IS MEANINGFUL. SO THIS PROCESS WOULD WORK WITH A JUNE MEETING OF THE TASK FORCE BASED ON THE INITIAL SURVEY RESULTS, JULY MEETING FEEDBACK ON TOWN HALL CONTENT, AND THEN IN AUGUST THEY WOULD PARTICIPATE IN A POP-UP MEETING IN TOWN TO HELP GAIN MORE FEEDBACK, AND THEN YOU SEE WE ALSO HAVE SCHEDULED UPDATES TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL IN JULY AND SEPTEMBER. SO WHO WOULD BE ON THE STR TASK FORCE? WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS WITH YOU. THIS IS A LIST OF POTENTIAL GROUPS THAT WE THOUGHT MIGHT HAVE A STAKE IN THIS PROCESS, SO YOU SEE WE'VE IDENTIFIED 12 DIFFERENT GROUPS, BASED ON FEEDBACK TO DATE, AND WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR CONSULTANT THAT THE GROUP BE LIMITED TO NO LESS THAN 12, BUT NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES TO ENCOURAGE ROBUST CONVERSATION. SO WE'VE GIVEN JUST A COUPLE OF POSSIBLE CONFIGURATIONS. WE THINK THAT A LOT OF THIS -- A LOT OF THE INITIAL GROUPS COULD BE PLANO RESIDENTS, IN FACT ALL OF THEM COULD POTENTIALLY BE PLANO RESIDENTS, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE -- ESPECIALLY THE APARTMENT ASSOCIATION, HOTEL ASSOCIATION, WE'RE NOT 10% SURE WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET REPRESENTATIVES FROM PLANO OR FROM A MANAGEMENT PLATFORM, BUT WE WILL TRY TO GET PLANO RESIDENTS ON THOSE, BUT THE REST OF THE GROUP, SUCH AS THE COLLIN COUNTY ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS, CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, WHERE WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN GET PLANO RESIDENTS ON THOSE TO REPRESENT THE ORGANIZATION ON THIS STAKEHOLDER -- THIS TASK FORCE. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DECISION POINTS FOR YOU THIS EVENING. THE FIRST BEING JUST FLAT-OUT DO YOU WANT TO APPOINT A TASK FORCE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS? THE BENEFITS BEING THAT WE GAIN A VARIETY OF PERSPECTIVES, THEY WOULD HELP AGAIN CAREFULLY VET THE ISSUES, MAKE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS. WE WANT TO BE UP FRONT THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE CAN GAIN CONSENSUS FROM THE GROUP, BUT ONE OF THE BENEFITS IS THAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A GROUP OF ADVOCATES FOR ANY COMPMISED POSITION AND THAT IS SE GROUP, AND THEN IF NOT, DOES THE WORK OF THE TASK FORCE -- TASK FORCE DEFAULT TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, OR IS THERE SOME OTHER GROUP THAT WOULD DO THE WORK IF IT IS NOT DONE BY THE TASK FORCE? SO WITH THAT, I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS INITIAL QUESTION. >> Mayor Muns: THANKS, CHRISTINA. I HAVE -- LET ME GET FOUR SPEAKERS IN. IF YOU DON'T MIND. THIS IS -- THIS IS REALLY A DIRECTION ON THE TASK FORCE. OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE SEEING THE QUESTION FOR US. SO WE HAVE -- WE HAVE FOUR SPEAKERS, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THEM DOWN. IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND, JUST TWO MINUTES PER SPEAKER. >> THE FIRST ONE -- THE FIRST SPEAKER IS BILL FRANCE FOLLOWED BY CINDY PATILLO. >> MAYOR MUNS, CITY COUNCIL, THANKS FOR CONTINUING TO SUPPORT THIS IMPORTANT INITIATIVE. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE TASK FORCE AT THIS POINT SINCE THIS IS I THINK THE MOST CRITICAL VERSUS THIS. THE IMPORTANCE OF A TASK FORCE, THE FIRST QUESTION WE WOULD SAY WHAT DO WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH WITH A TASK FORCE? AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GAIN LOTS OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES; HOWEVER, WHAT WE'VE SEEN HISTORICALLY IS THAT TASK FORCES ARE LOADED WITH FOLKS WHO WANT SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THEY TEND TO BE STACKED AND THEN IT TURNS INTO A VOTE. WE'VE SEEN THIS ■HAPPEN IN&-úDAD >> MAYOR PRO TEM. >>. >> Prince: YEAH, I HAVE SOME MORE THOUGHTS TO COUNCILMEMBER TASK FORCES THAT WE BARELY MADE OUR WOI WAY THROUGH. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR UP FRONT SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. AND THE COUNCIL IS VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT OUR. >> CAPTIONER:S ARE COMING OUT OF THIS. I DO I THINK FOR THE DOWNTOWN LEGACY AND RESIDENTS, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THE DOWNTOWN RESIDENT WAS A HOMEOWNER AND IF THE LEGACY RESIDENT, IF THAT WAS A LEGACY, LEGACY WEST OR, YOU KNOW, SHOPS OF LEGACY, IF THAT WAS A HOMEOWNER OR SOMEONE IN A TOWNHOME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD HELP WITH OUR UPPING THE HOMEOWNERS ON THIS LIST. I DO AGREE THAT HAVING MORE HOMEOWNERS WOULD BE HELPFUL ON THIS LIST. I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION THOUGH. WITH YOUR CONSULTANT, IS THEIR WHOLE PURPOSE TO RUN THIS TASK FORCE? OR ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO GET US SOME MORE RESEARCH THAT COULD HELP US IN OUR DECISION-MAKING PROCESS? ABILITY TO RESEARCH THINGS LIKE, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT ZONING DISTRICTS AND THE IMPACTS OF DOING THAT? SO LOOKING AT ARLINGTON OR OTHER PLACES DOWN IN TEXAS THAT HAVE DONE THAT, WHEN YOU IMPLEMENT A ZONING DISTRICT, WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE SPECIFIC ZONING DISTRICTS? IF YOU MOVE ALL STRs TO ONE LOCATION, THINGS LIKE THAT, WILL THEY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE DATA POINTS LIKE THAT TO US? >> I THINK THEIR FOCUS IS REALLY THE PUBLIC OUTREACH. STAFF HAS DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON VARIOUS ZONING ANDMES AND HAS A WHOLE SPREADSHEET OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL REGULATIONS AND WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO BRING FORWARD THROUGH THE PROCESS AS THAT'S NEEDED. >> Prince: OKAY, SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU CAN GET US INFORMATION LIKE THAT FROM -- >> ABSOLUTELY. AND THEY DO HAVE PLANNERS ON -- THEY HAVE PLANNERS AND A LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE AS PART OF THEIR TEAM. SO ABSOLUTELY, THE ZONING COMPONENT IS PART OF IT. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE PRIMARY FOCUS. I THK IT'S REALLYOEAR WHAT'S HP COMMUNITY AND GET FEEDBACK. BUT THAT WOULD BE LISTENING TO PEOPLE'S OPINIONS ABOUT ZONING ISSUES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> Prince: OKAY. WELL, I'D LOVE TO -- IF WE'RE GOING DOWN THE PATH OF ZONING, IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE DISCUSSED LOOKING AT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REALLY IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION FOR US TO KNOW AND THE ZONING COMMISSION AS WELL. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. JUST GO DOWN THE LIST. >> CHRISTINE, SO I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS JUST TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION. SO AT TS POINT, THE TASK FORCE'S DUTY IS SPECIFICALLY JUST TO GATHER ALL THE POTENTIAL ISSUES, COMMENTS, AND OPINIONS IN CITY OF PLANO. AM I CORRECT ABOUT THAT? >> I THINK THEY'RE GIVING THE CONSULTANTS AND STAFF FEEDBACK ON THINGS LIKE THE SURVEY RESULTS AND HELPING US FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS TOWN HALL. DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS ON THE CONTENT OF THE TOWN HALL AND HOW YOU THINK THIS SHOULD BE DONE? SO WE MAY PRESENT, OKAY, HE - WE'VE LOOKED AT STR PRACTICES IN THE NATION, AND WE THINK THESE ARE MOST APPLICABLE TO PLANO. DO YOU AGREE? DO YOU HAVE OTHER IDEAS? YOU KNOW, KIND OF VETTING THE CONTENT BEFORE IT GOES OUT TO THE PUBLIC MORE BROADLY. SO THEY'RE SORT OF A SOUNDING BOARD FOR STAFF THROUGH THE PROCESS. >> Tu: SO ULTIMATELY, THOUGH, WE ARE GOING DOWN THE ROAD OF TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION TO THE STR ISSUE THAT WE ARE FACING RIGHT NOW? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> Tu: SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE TASK FORCE IS DOING, IS PROVING US WITH MORE POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS OR OPTIONS AND ALTERNATIVES. >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> Tu: BUT THAT DOES NOT DEVIATE FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS TO GO DOWN THE ROAD OF TRYING TO OBVIOUSLY REGISTER, GETTING LICENSES, AND TRYING TO -- AND ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, ARE POTENTIAL INTERIM MORATORIUM ON SHORT-TERM RENTAL. AM I CORRECT ABOUT THAT TOO? >> THAT IS CORRECT. YOU SEE THE INITIAL SLIDE I HAD ABOUT THE KIND OF PARALLEL PROCESSES, IF I CAN GET BACK THERE EFFIENTLY FOR YOU. SO THE INTERIM MEASURES WILL STILL GO INTO EFFECT, AND THEN THIS OUTREACH AND DATA COLLECTION THAT'S BEING MANAGED -- >> Tu: THAT'S SEPARATE. >> THAT'S SEPARATE, CORRECT. >> Tu: ANOTHER, I GUESS, SUGGESTION THAT I HAVE IS I WOULD RECOMMEND JUST LIKE WHAT COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI SAID, I THINK WE NEED MORE RESIDENTIAL INPUT FROM DIFFERENT AREAS OF PLANO. >> OKAY. >> Tu: ALSO, DIFFERENT SOCIOECONOMICROUPS AND DIFFERENT ETHNIC CULTURAL BACKGROUND GROUPS. WE CAN'T JUST HAVE IT FROM, YOU KNOW, WEST PLANO OR JUST FROM EAST PLANO. BUT RATHER, WE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTERMINGLING WITH REGARD TO WHETHER OR NOT IT'S CULTURAL, RACIAL, RELIGIOUS, SOME SORT OF MIX SO THAT WE'RE GETTING ACTUALLY A WHOLE VIEW OF WHAT PLANO IS ALL ABOUT. IF THERE'S A NEED FOR LANGUAGE ASSISTANCE, IWOULD SUGGEST THAT WE PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER THAT HAS LANGUAGE ASSISTANCE. AND THAT'S AL I REALLY HAVE. THANK YOU. >> CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING? YOU SAID INTERIM MORATORIUM, WHICH HAS A VERY SPECIFIC LEGAL DEFINITION AND PROCESS. I THINK YOU MEANT INTERIM BAN >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. >> Williams: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT THESE VARIOUS ASSOCIATIONS HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE, BUT IF THIS IS TO BE A DECISION-MAKING BODY, THEN I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THAT -- DID I NOT UNDERSTAND THE RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH WOULD THEN COME BEFORE US? >> ACTUALLY, THE PROCESS THAT WE HAD OUTLINED WAS THIS BODY HELPS ADVISE ON WHAT GOES TO PLANNING AND ZONING. AND PLANNING AND ZONING MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION. >> Williams: SO IT'S A GATE. >> IT'S A GATE BUT IT'S DATA GATHERING. >> Williams: DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE MY ASSESSMENT. I THINK THAT THE ULTIMATE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE PASSED ALONG SHOULD BE EXCLUSIVELY BY RESIDENTS OF PLANO. I THINK THEY SHOULD GET THE FEEDBACK FROM VARIOUS ASSOCIATIONS, HOTEL ASSOCIATION, APARTMENT ASSOCIATIONS, ET CETERA. BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY VOTING TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO PASS ALONG TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SHOULD BE RESIDENTS OF PLANO, JUST AS THIS BODY, WE'RE ALL REQUIRED TO BE RESIDENTS OF PLANO. AND EVERYBODY WE APPOINT TO OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE REQUIRED TO BE RESIDENTS OF PLANO. THOUGH WE DO PARTNER WITH ALL MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY, OUR ASSOCIATIONS, BUSINESSES, ET CETERA, BUT THEY AREN'T APPOINTED TO OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. SO I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT THEY SHOULD ALL BE PLANO RESIDENTS AND THAT THAT SHOULD BE THE HAT THEY'RE WEARING. IF THEY'RE INCIDENTAL MEMBERS OF AN ASSOCIATION LIKE WE MIGHT BE, LIKE WHEN WE STEP ON THIS DAIS, WE'RE ACTING AS A COUNCILMEMBER, NOT A BUSINESS MEMBER OR ASSOCIATION MEMBER. I FEEL STRONGLY THIS TASK FORCE SHOULD BE APPRISED ACCORDINGLY. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER, ANY THOUGHTS? >> I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN THE FACT I FEEL THAT THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN NON-HOAs, NON-MANDATORY HOAs NEED TO BE CAREFULLY WEIGHTED OR MORE WEIGHTED BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S A FRUSTRATION, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN A MANDATORY HOA, THEY HAVE SOME RECOURSE AND THINGS THEY CAN DO. WE HAVE A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN PLANO THAT DO NOT HAVE A MANDATORY HOA. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE PROBABLY MORE REPRESENTED THAN THE MANDATORY HOAs. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER SMITH. >> Smith: THANK YOU, MAYOR. THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO ASK CHRISTINA IS, DO YOU SEE, IS THERE A WAY TO COMPRESS THIS TIMEFRAME? I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE'RE TALKING -- HERE WE ARE IN SPRING OF '23 AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SUMMER OR MID '24 TO GET RECOMMENDATIONS BACK. AND I KNOW -- I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR MEETING COMING UP WITH P&Z TO DISCUSS SOME OF THESE ISSUES NEXT MONTH. BUT DO YOU THINK THIS COULD BE SHORTENED SO WE COULD GET FEEDBACK ON HOW THIS TASK FORCE IS GOING TO GET BACK TO THOSE INDIVIDUALS? >> I THINKHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW THE ARLINGTON MODEL OF DOING A DELIBERATIVE PROCESS SO THAT -- SO WE HAVE DEFENSIBLE DATA, FEEDBACK, THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR AND -- JUST CLEAR INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE FOR THE COUNCIL. SO I THINK THAT WITH THE TEMPORARY MEASURES THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING NEXT MONTH, I HOPE THAT THAT IS HELPFUL TO THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BUY US SOME TIME TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESSND GHE DATA AND INFORMATION WE NEED TO MAKE A REALLY FIRM DECISION THAT FOLLOWS THE GUIDANCE OF COUNSEL ON THE ARLINGTON MODEL OF REALLY A DATA-DRIVEN PROCESS. SO THAT'S THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED. I AM CONCERNED IF WE START COMPRESSING IT THAT WE LOSE THE JUSTIFICATIONS THAT WE HAVE THROUGH THAT MODEL. SO CAN IT BE COMPRESSED? YES. DO YOU GET THE SAME OUTCOME? I THINK THE ANSWER IS NO. >> Smith: OKAY. SO THE BUT IF DURING OUR MEETING WHEN WE HAVE OUR JOINT MEETING WITH P&Z, IF WE ARE TO GET TOGETHER AND DO IMPLEMENT AN INTERIM BAN ON THIS PROCESS, DEPUTY MAYOR WAS DISCUSSING, YOU DON'T SEE THAT INTERFERING OR TAINTING THE PROCESS WITH THE CITIZEN TASK FORCE? >> NO, IN FACT, I THINK THAT COULD HELP OUR PROCESS BECAUSE IT GIVES US DATA THROUGH THE PROCESS SO WE CAN ACTUALLY BE MAKING MEASUREMENTS THROUGH A REGISTRATION PROGRAM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SPECIFICALLY THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM, I THINK, REALLY HELPS US BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE DATA. >> Smith: GREAT, GREAT. NO, I THINK THIS IS GOOD. I'M NOT EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING A GOOD GROUP OF TASK FORCE PEOPLE TOGETHER. I KNOW WE WENT THROUGH THE SAME DISCUSSIONS WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TASK FORCE OR COMMISSION, AS IT TURNED OUT. AND I THINK THAT WORKED OUT VERY WELL. WE HAD PEOPLE FROM TWO OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM, AND THEY ALL MANAGED TO COME TOGETHER AND COALESCE AND COME UP WITH AN INTEGRATED PLAN. SO I THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN HERE. BUT I DO THINK HOPEFULLY THIS CONCURRENCE, THE MAY MEETING, THAT WE DO HIT THE PAUSE BUTTON AT LEAST WITH THE INTERIM BAN TO GIVE TIME FOR THE FACT GATHERING TO COME TO FRUITION AND GIVE US ALL THE INFORMATION FROM THESE GROUPS, AS WELL AS FROM OUR CITIZENS. AND I DO SUPPORT WHAT COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS SAID. I REALLY THINK ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS SHOULD BE THAT THEY ARE PLANO RESIDENTS BECAUSE THIS DOES AFFECT PLANO. IT DOESN'T AFFE COLLIN COUNTY. WELL, IT DOES AFFECT COLLIN COUNTY, BUT IT'S REALLY OUR RESIDENTS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. I WISH WE COULD COMPRESS THE TIMEFRAME, BUT I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO GET IT RIGHT THAN IT IS TO DO IT TOO FAST. THANKS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN SMITH. I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THE TASK FORCE NEEDS TO BE A WIDE ARRAY OF PLANO RESIDENTS, IF THAT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE. THE OWNERS, ALL BEING A PART OF PLANO, AND EVEN THE MANAGEMENT BEING A PART OF PLANO WN IT COMES TO IDENTIFYING THIS TASK FORCE. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? >> SO TWO OTHER ASPECTS REAL QUICK. I HEARD THE DOWNTOWN AND LEGACY BEING PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL. AND I SAW HEADS NODDING AROUND THE DAIS THAT THAT WAS AN OKAY SUGGESTION. I HEARD THE NON-HOA REPRESENTATION. I SAW HEADS NODDING AROUND THE DAIS AS WELL. SO I TAKE IT THAT THE ADDITION OF A COUPLE OF POSITIONS WITHIN THAT FROM THE RESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE WAS BASALLY WHE COUNCIL LANDED. COUNCILMAN? >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU, MARK, FOR THAT. JUST TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE I THINK DIFFERENT COUNCILMEMBERS MAY HAVE SAID DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT THIS. ARE WE ENVISIONING THIS BEING MORE LIKE THE ENVISIONING POINT STEERING COMMITTEE, WHICH WAS A GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS THAT WEREN'T NECESSARILY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION? JUST PROVIDING FEEDBACK, NOT LIKE THE CP KR, RIGHT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> Ricciardelli: I'M GOOD WITH THAT. >> >> Mayor Muns: JUST TO GIVE FEEDBACK. THAT'S A GOOD ANALOGY. >> ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE HAVE DIRECTION. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM, DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION OF COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION GRANT PROCESS AND RELATED POLICIES. >> GOOD EVENING AGAIN, COUNCIL, MAYOR, AND CITY EXECUTIVES. WE WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON LAST MEETING AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE CONSOLIDATED GRANT PROCESS THAT IS ADMINISTERED BY THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION. JOINED WITH ME TONIGHT IS JOHNNY SING, THE CHAIR OF THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION, SO HALF WAY THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO HIM. SO JUST A LITTLE HISTORY OF THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION. AS YOU NOTED IN YOUR MEMO, WE DID HAVE TWO COMMISSIONS THAT WERE JOINED TOGETHER IN 1998, CREATING THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION. PER YOUR ORDINANCE, THIS COMMISSION REVIEWS HUMAN SOCIAL NEEDS AND RECOMMENDS FUNDING ALLOCATIONS TO CITY COUNCIL. IN 2020, CITY COUNCIL AMENDED THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES TO INCLUDE THE LOW-INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS. THEN IN 2022, CITY COUNCIL AMENDED THE BOARD MAKEUP FOR POSITIONS THAT WAS SPECIFIC TO THE VITALIZATION AREA. SO JUST WANTED TO GIVE A VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE CONSOLIDATED GRANT PROCESS. I'M NOT GOING TO READ THROUGH ALL OF THIS. BUT ESSENTIALLY, OUR GRANT RECIPIENTS HAVE TO ATTEND TWO -- ONE OF TWO MANDATORY MEETINGS IN LATE JANUY. WE DO PROVIDE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FOR ONE-ON-ONE WITH STAFF TO HELP THEM WITH THE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE SUBMITTED TO THE CRC. OUR ONLINE APPLICATION ASKS THAT BY MARCH 1st EACH YEAR, SO ALL - OF THE NONPROFIT SUBMIT AN ONLINE APPLICATION. WE DO THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW AS REQUIRED, THE STAFF DOES, BY CRC, AS PART OF THE SCORING RUBRIC, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO REVIEW THAT WITH CHAIR SING. THE CRC SPENDS TIME REVIEWING THE APPLICATION AND SCORING THAT. THEY HAVE A SERIES OF PUBLIC MEETINGS, ABOUT SIX HELD FROM APRIL THROUGH MAY. THEY STARTED THEIR MEETINGS WITH THE APPLICANTS FOR THIS YEAR LAST WEEK. AND THEN THERE IS PUBLIC HEARING DELIBERATION BY THE CRC FOR FUNDING TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL. SO ANNUALLY THE CRC DOES REVIEW THE CONSOLIDATED GRANT PROCESS, AND THEY MAY MAKE MODIFICATIONS TO THAT. THEY HAVE TO MAKE ANY MODIFICATIONS ON THE CONSOLIDATED GRANT PROCESS PRIOR TO JANUARY OF THE UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THERE IS ENOUGH TIME TO GET THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS PART OF THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET PROCESS. JUST NOTED, THE LAST MAJOR CHANGE TO THIS PROCESS WAS IN 2018. THERE WAS A REMOVAL OF A STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON CONSOLIDATED GRANT APPLICATIONS. THE CRC DEVELOPED A SCORING RUBRIC FOR THE MEMBERS TO UTILIZE IN REVIEWING BOTH THE SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS, AS WELL AS IN-PERSON PRESENTATIONS AND THEN CREATED FUNDING CALCULATIONS THAT RELATE TO THE OVERALL APPLICATION SCORE AND THE PERCENTAGE OF FUNDING ALLOCATIONS. AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CHAIR SING TO CONTINUE THE PRESENTATION, EXPLAIN THE CRC's RUBRIC. >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL, MAYOR, AND CITY EXECUTIVES. MY NAME IS JOHNNY SING. I HAVE THE HONOR OF BEING THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION. AND I AM ON BEHALF -- I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION, CRC. AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE, WE ARE A COMMISSION COMPOSED OF NINE MEMBERS APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL ON TWO-YEAR STAGGERED TERMS. AND FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN ENTRUSTED AS CRC WITH THE IMPORTANT RESPONSIBILITY OF MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE ALLOCATION OF THE GRANT PROCEEDS DOLLAR TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND EACH YEAR CRC, WE REVIEW THE PROCESS OF THE CONSOLIDATED GRANT PROCESS. AND WE HAVE CHOSEN TO ADOPT A RUBRIC AS PART OF OUR DECISION-MAKING PROCESS. AND SOMETIMES A PROCESS IS -- THE VALUE OF A PROCESS IS BEST UNDERSTOOD IN CONTRAST TO THE ALTERNATIVE. AND THE ALTERNATIVE WAS THAT PRIOR T 2018, CRC GOT TOGETHER UPON THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FROM THE GRANT APPLICANTS, GOT TOGETHER AND DECIDED AROUND A ROUNDTABLE, HOW MUCH EACH ORGANIZATION WERE TO GET WITHOUT THE USE OF A RUBRIC. AND SO TO THEIR CREDIT, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THEY RECOGNIZED THAT THE MONEY -- THESE ARE CITY MONEY, THE PLANO CONSTITUENTS THAT GOES INTO THE FUNDING OF THE GRANT PROCEEDS, AND THESE ARE FUNDED BY TAXPAYERS, ADMINISTERED BY THE CITY STAFF, AND OVERSEEN BY THE CITY COUNCIL THAT'S THEN UTILIZED BY THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS IN SERVICE TO THE BENEFICIARIES FOR THE COMMUNITIES. SO ALL THESE PARTIES, CITY STAFF, CITY COUNCIL BENEFICIARIES ORGANIZATIONS, THESE ARE ALL STAKEHOLDERS THAT CRC IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION OF THE GRANT PROCEEDS SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR, AND THAT'S REALLY JUST THE GENESIS OF WHY THEY CAME UPON THE ADOPTION OF A RUBRIC-BASED PROCESS IN THEIR ROMMENDATION OF GRANT PROCEEDS DOLLAR. AND SINCE 2018, FOR A CONSECUTIVE FIVE YEARS, INCLUDING THIS YEAR, WE HAVE REVIEWED THE PROCESS, AND WE HAVE CONTINUED THE USE OF A RUBRIC. AND JUST WE'VE ALL UTILIZED RUBRICS IN SCHOOLS, IN OUR WORK, BUT JUST IN SIMPLISTIC TERMS, RUBRICS ARE SENTIMENTS AND EXPECTATIONS PUT INTO WORDS. AND SO I WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF, IN MY TIME WITH YOU, TO OUTLINE THE RUBRIC THATCRC HAS ADOPTED FOR THE CURRENT GRANT YEAR PROCESS. AND WITH THAT OPPORTUNITY TO ALSO KIND OF EXPLAIN THE RATIONALE. AND AS MENTIONED IN THE SLIDE, PART OF THE POSITIVES OF THE RUBRIC, THE PURPOSE OF THE RUBRIC IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY TO MANY STAKEHOLDERS THAT THE CRC IS RESPONSIBLE FOR. IT ALSO ENSURES THE INTEGRITY PROCESS BY HAVING STATED GOALS AND EXPECTATIONS, ORGANIZATIONS THAT COME AS APPLICANTS TO CRC FOR THEONSOLIDATED GRANT PROCESS, THEY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT AND WHAT THEY'RE BEING GRADED ON. LET'S MOVE ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO OUR SCORING RUBRIC IS BASED ON A 100-POINT SYSTEM. YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S OVERWEIGHTING ON THE WRITTEN APPLICATION OF 60 POINTS. PUBLIC HEARING, 30 POINTS, ADMINISTRATIVE, 10 POINTS. NOW, JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE, WE SEE -- THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION, WE SEE UP TO 30 APPLICATIONS PER YEAR. AND FOR THE RULES OF QUORUM, OUR ONLY MAIN TOUCH POINTS WITH THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE THE WRITTEN APPLICATION AND THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE -- IN MANY OF OUR COMMISSION MEMBERS, OF WHICH THEY ARE NINE, WE COME FROM A BACKGROUND THAT'S NOT WHOLLY FAMILIAR WITH THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. SO UPON THE RECEIPT OF A WRITTEN APPLICATION, THEY ARE TO GET FAMILIARIZED AND BE ABLE TO SCORE THEM. SO AS ANALOG-WRITTE EQUIVALENT OF KIND OF THE SAT SCORES AND THE EVALUATION OF THE SUFFICIENCY OF THE APPLICANTS. SO OUR WRITTEN APPLICATION, IT'S A 35-QUESTION APPLICATION, AND IT'S SCORED BY THE CRC. WE HAVE BROKEN DOWN -- THE PURPOSE OF THE WRITTEN APPLICATION IS REALLY TO EVALUATE WHO THE ORGANIZATION IS, WHAT IS THE MISSION THEY'RE SERVING, WHOM THEY'RE SERVING IN THE COMMUNITY, AND ALSO THEIR OPERATING COMPETENCIES ALONG WITH THEIR FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL. AND THESE CRITERION IN EVALUATING IS REALLY JUST BITE-SIZED, YOU KNOW, BITE-SIZED ATTRIBUTES FOR CRC TO EVALUATE FROM A SCORE PERSPECTIVE. WE ALSO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH CONSISTS OF A MAXIMUM 30 POINTS. AND LET ME JUST KIND OF UTILIZE SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS AS ANAMPL DID THE SPEAKER EFFECTIVELY ANSWER THE PUBLIC HEARING QUESTIONS IN THE ALLOTTED TIME? ON THE SURFACE, IT MAY APPEAR THAT WE ARE -- WE MAY BE -- IT MAY APPEAR THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON, YOU KNOW, BEING STICKLERS ON TIME. BUT REALITY IS, WE ARE TRYING TO -- THE PUBLIC HEARING IS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMISSION TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANTS. SO WE WANT TO -- BY PUTTING A VALUE-WEIGHTED SYSTEM, WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE THE ORGANIZATIONS TO BRING THEIR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THEY ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE ANSWERS TO THEIR APPLICATIONS AND TO OUR COMMISSION. AND LASTLY, THE THIRD COMPONENT OF THE RUBRIC IS A MAXIMUM OF TEN POINTS, AND THIS IS AWARDED BY THE CITY STAFF. AND THEN AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, ALL THE SCORES FROM THE NINE COMMISSIONERS ARE AVERAGED, AND WE HAVE CHOSEN TO UTILIZE A CALCULATION BASED ON THE SCORE OF EACH APPLICANTS. FOR EXAMPLE, IF AN APPLICANT WERE TO SCORE 86, WHICH WOULD BE WITHIN THE RANGE OF 85 TO 95 POINTS, 90% OF THE FUNDING REQUEST WOULD BE FUNDED. WE THOUGHT THAT WAS -- AS OPPOSED TO GETTING TO THE ROUNDTABLE AND DISCUSSING ARBITRARILY HOW MUCH DOLLARS EACH ORGANIZATION SHOULD RECEIVE, WE THOUGHT MORE OF AN AUTOMATED SERCE WOULD SERVE FOR THE PURPOSE OF TRANSPARENCY AND FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENSURING THERE'S EQUAL ACCESS TO A FAIR PROCESS FOR THE APPLICANT ORGANIZATIONS. ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, I AM OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH SO. MAYOR PRO TEM? >> Prince: CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR PREVIOUS SLIDE? >> YES. >> Prince: SO WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF NOT ALLOWING A NEW GRANT APPLICANT TO ACHIEVE THE MAXIMUM TEN POINTS? YOU KNOW, IT'S A VALUE WEIGHTING SYSTEM THAT BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS BY OUR COMMISSION MEMBERS, WE FELT THAT TRACK RECORD IS REALLY IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, FOR THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT COME BEFORE US, THEY DEFINE THEIR MISSION STATEMENT, BUT WE ALSO EVALUATE THEM ON OPERATING COMPETENCY AND FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL. AND A BIG COMPONENT OF THAT IS HAVING A TRACK RECORD. AND SO FOR ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAS RECEIVED PRIOR FUNDING, THE CITY STAFF HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE WHETHER THEY HAVE MET THE CONTRACT NEEDS OF THE GRANT NDING. SO IT'S REALLY JUST TO ENCOURAGE KIND OF ADHERENCE TO A PRIOR CONTRACT REWARDING OF GRANT PROCEEDS. >> Prince: I GUESS AN ORGANIZATION COULD HAVE A GREAT TRACK RECORD OF SERVING PEOPLE, RIGHT, BUT THEY COULD JUST NOT HAVE RECEIVED FUNDING FROM US BEFORE. SO COULD THAT KEEP US FROM JUST CONTINUING TO GIVE THE SAME MONEY OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO THE SAME ORGANIZATIONS WITHOUT LOOKING TO MAYBE A NEW ORGANIZATION THAT HAS A NEW INNOVATIVE WAY TO SERVE PEOPLE? >> SURE, AND THEY CERTAINLY COULD. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT OUR RUBRIC CALCULATION FOR THE AWARDING OF DOLLARS -- >> (OFF MIC). >> OKAY. TYPICALLY THAT FIVE POINTS IS NOT THE BREAKING POINT FOR THE ORGANIZATION RECEIVING DOLLARS. TYPICALLY THE ORGANIZATION IS NOT -- THEY'RE GOING TO RECEIVE DOLLARS AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT FIRST YEAR OF ACCOMPLISHMENT. BUT WE'RE THIS PROCESSVERY SINGLE YEAR, E SO WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO ANY FEEDBACK IF COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE. >> Prince: YEAH, I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK TO OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY'RE ALREADY AT A DISADVANTAGE SO THAT WE WOULD KEEP PEOPLE FROM EVEN APPLYING IF THEY THINK, OH, WELL, THEY JUST WANT TO KEEP THE ORGANIZATIONS THEY HAD. >> SURE. >> Prince: I DON'T WANT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO THINK, OH, WE SHOULDN'T APPLY TO PLANO BECAUSE THEY GIVE PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT TO THE ONES THAT THEY'VE ALREADY GIVEN TO IN THE PAST. >> SURE. AND I CAN CERTAINLY BRING THAT FEEDBACK BACK TO OUR COMMISSIONERS. >> Prince: THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMBER WILLIAMS? >> Williams: I DEFER TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. >> Tu: I ACTUALLY HAVE A RECOMMENDATION AND A SUGGESTION. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK TO THE POINT OF MAYOR PRO TEM, WE REALLY -- I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE A VARIETY, A DIVERSE GROUP OF, I GUESS, NONPROFITS THAT LIKE TO COME IN AND TRY TO SEEK OUR FUND AND OUR GRANTS. BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, I ALSO DO NOT WANT TO SEE OUR REGULARS, OUR QUOTE, UNQUOTE REGULARS, TO BE SORT OF OUSTED. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY WAY WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY PUT ASIDE A CERTAIN AREA, YOU KNOW, PERCENTAGE OF FUNDING, IN WHICH WE COULD FOCUS ON THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE HAVE NEVER, EVER HEARD FROM BEFORE. NOW, ANOTHER -- A FEW THINGS THAT I FIND AS A MINORITY AND SOMEBODY WHO IS AN IMMIGRANT. I HAVE THE FULL INTENTION OF DOING SOMETHING GOOD BUT IAY NOT BE THEEST IN WRITING THE APPLICATION, RIGHT? AND I MAY NOT BE THE BEST IN ORAL PRESENTATION. AND THOSE CONSIST OF, WHAT, 90 POINTS IN A GRANT. IF I'VE NEVER HAD ANY EXPERIENCE IN DOING THIS, I DON'T HAVE A -- YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A STAFF THAT COULD HELP ME PUT TOGETHER BROCHURES AS BEAUTIFUL AND PRESENTABLE AND, YOU KNOW, ELOQUENT. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT, BASED ON THIS PROCESS, TO GET ANYWHERE. >> SURE. >> Tu: SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT SOMEWHERE WE COULD MANEUVER AND PUT A CERTAIN ASIDE TO DISCOVER NEW ORGANIZATIONS THAT WANT TO PARTICIPATE, THAT WANT TO BECOME A PART OF OUR CITY'S, YOU KNOW, GRANT PROCESS. AND TO ENCOURAGE MORE OF THESE SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS FROM COMING FORWARD INSTEAD OF BEING SO, YOU KNOW, SO FRUSTRATED OR SCARED OFF. >> SURE, SURE. >> Tu: DID I INCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS? >> NO. >> AND I CAN CERTAINLY, ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION, I CAN BRING THOSE SENTIMENTS BACK, BUT I CAN ALSO ASSURE YOU THAT THOSE ARE SENTIMENTS MIRRORED BY OUR COMMISSIONERS AND IN OUR DISCUSSIONS AS WE EVALUATE THIS PROCESS EVERY YEAR. LIKE YOU, I'M AN IMMIGRANT. ENGLISH IS MY SECOND LANGUAGE. AS YOU CAN TELL, I'M NOT EQUIPPED WITH PUBLIC SPEAKING. AND SO THE PROCESS -- BUT AS WE EVALUATE THIS PROCESS EVERY YEAR, FOR REFERENCE, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF OUR LIMITATIONS IS THAT WE HAVE NINE MEMBERS, VOLUNTEER MEMBERS, WHO SERVE ON THE COMMISSION. WE DO NOT ACTUALLY INTERFACE WITH THE ORGANIZATION PRIOR TO THE WRITTEN APPLICATION, AND THAT IS FOR THE PURPOSE OF MAINTAINING EQUAL ACCESS AND A FAIR PROCESS. WE DON'T WANT THE PROCESS TO BE INFLUENCED BY FAMILIARITY OR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS OF CERTAIN COMMISSIONERS WITH CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS. AND SO TO ENSURE FAIRNESS, WE DO NOT ENGAGE WITH THE ORGANIZATION AS COMMISSION MEMBERS ON BEHALF OF THIS PROCESS AHEAD OF THE WRITTEN APPLICATION. NOW, THAT BEING SAID, WOULD WE BE HAPPY TO EXPLORE WAYS? OF COURSE. I WANT THE COUNCILMEMBERS TO UNDERSTAND THE PRAGMATISM TO GETTING NINE COMMISSIONER MEMBERS TOGETHER UNDER QUORUM RULES WHEN APPLICATIONS WILL RANGE UP TO 30 APPLICANTS PER YEAR. AND BEING ABLE TO GET THEM IN FRONT OF THE APPCANTS GET TO KNOW THEM. AND IT'S REALLY BY THE LIMITATIONS OF KIND OF OUR SETUP AND OUR RESOURCES THAT WE ARE SO RELIANT UPON THE WRITTEN APPLICATION. AGAIN, I UTILIZE THE ANALOG OF THE SATs. NO ONE IS SAYING THAT THE SAT IS A PERFECT PROXY FOR EVALUATING THE FUTURE PROSPECTSR SCALABILITY PURPOSES, FOR ASSURANCE OF FAIRNESS, TRANSPARENCY, THAT'S THE BEST WE'VE GOT SO FAR >> Tu: I UNDERSTAND. I JUST THINK THAT THAT PROCESS REALLY DOES HARM AND HURT THOSE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE STARTING UP, BECAUSE THE OLDER ONES, THEY ALL KNOW YOUR PROCESS. THEY KNOW HOW TO GET THROUGH IT. THEY KNOW HOW TO DO THE WRITTEN APPLICATIONS. THEY'VE GOT PEOPLE WORKING ON WE REALLY WANT TO EXPLORE. AND I THINK THAT'S THE PART THAT I'M HAVING A LITTLE CONCERN ABOUT, THIS BLIND FOLDED SURVEY OR BLIND FOLDED WAY OF LOOKING AT APPLICANTS AND GRANTS. THAT'S ALL. I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME WAY OF RESOLVING THAT PROBLEM. >> THAT IS DEFINITELY A PROBLEM WE'LL LOOK FOR A SOLUTION. >> Mayor Muns: I'M GOING TO START THE REGULAR MEETING. I APPRECIATE IT. IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE'LL START THE REGULAR MEETING AND BRING THIS ITEM BACK SHORTLY. WE'LL TAKE A RECESS AND RETURN AFTER WE'VE STARTED THE REGULAR MEETING. SO I NOW DECLARE THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL HAS RECONVENED IN OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. WE'LL BEGIN TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING WITH THE INVOCATION LED BY BOB KNOWLES, SENIOR PASTOR AT THE WILLOW BEND CHURCH AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND TEXAS PLEDGE LED BY THE BOY SCOUT TROOP 259 CHARTER ORGANIZATION 12 POINT IMPACT AT ST. ELIZABETH ANN SETON CATHOLIC CHURCH. WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE RISE? >> LET'S PRAY. FATHER GOD, WE COME BEFORE YOU NOW, AND WE JUST HUMBLE OURSELVES BEFORE YOU, AND WE ASK YOUR GUIDANCE AND YOUR WISDOM ON ALL MATTERS THAT WILL BE COVERED TODAY. FATHER, SOMETIMES OUR ISSUES GET COMPLEX, AND THEY'RE NOT EASY TO SORT OUT. AND SO FATHER, I JUST PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE US BY YOUR SPIRIT, GOD, THAT DISCUSSIONS CAN BE DONE WITH PATIENCE AND UNDERSTANDING AND, GOD, THAT DECISIONS WOULD BE SUCH THAT BRING ABOUT JUSTICE BUT ALSO DO NOT LOSE SIGHT OF MERCY. AND SO FATHER GOD, ALL OF US HERE WILL DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN, BUT WE SEEK YOU IN THESE MOMENTS. THANK YOU, GOD, FOR THIS CITY, FOR THE STATE, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ONE ANOTHER. AND MAY YOUR SON JESU TO LOVE AND TO GIVE AND TO SACRIFICE. IT'S IN HIS NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. >> AMEN. >> SCOUT SALUTE. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. (PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE) >> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE TEXAS PLEDGE. (TEXAS PLEDGE) >> Mayor Muns: BE SEATED. WHAT ARE YOU GUYS HIDING FOR BACK HERE? COME ON. (LAUGHTER) HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS? >> I DON'T KNOW. (LAUGHTER) >> (OFF MIC). >> Mayor Muns: LOOK AT THESE GUYS, THEY'RE TALLER THAN ME! (LAUGHTER) I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET ON A STOOL. EVERYBODY GET IN THERE. YOU'VE GOT TO COME UP FRONT. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. (LAUGHTER) >> THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHTY. READY, Y'ALL? ONE, TWO, THREE. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. (APPLAUSE) >> Mayor Muns: SPEAKING OF BIG GROUPS -- (LAUGHTER) -- WE'RE THRILLED TO HAVE THE NATIONAL VOLUNTEER WEEK PROCLAMATION, AND I'D LIKE TO CALL KARINA SADLER, VOLUNTEER RESOURCE SUPERVISOR, MORGAN GREEN GRIFFEN, VOLUNTEER RESOURCE COORDINATOR, ANDREW FORTUNE, DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, AND ALL OF YOU TH ARE HERE TONIGHT. WE'RE, INDEED, PROUD OF YOU. HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. (LAUGHTER) I'M GOING TO READ THE PROCLAMATION VERY QUICKLY, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BIG PICTURE. THIS IS NATIONAL VOLUNTEER WEEK, WHEREAS VOLUNTEERS IN PLANO ENGAGE AS VOLUNTEERS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE RICH DIVERSITY OF OUR COMMUNITY FROM SCOUTS TO OLDER ADULTS, FROM LIFE-LONG RESIDENTS TO NEW ARRIVALS, ALL WHO PARTICIPATE IN SERVICE TO BETTER PLANO. AND WHEREAS VOLUNTEERS ENHANCE SERVICES PROVIDED TITY OF PLANO RESIDENTS AND EXTEND CAPACITY OF CITY DEPARTMENTS. AND WHEREAS 7,521 DEDICATED VOLUNTEERS SERVE 67,000 HOURS WITH THE CITY OF PLANO IN 2022. AND WHEREAS VOLUNTEERS IN PLANO CELEBRATES THE 40th ANNIVERSARY AND REMAINS A MODEL MUNICIPAL VOLUNTEER PROGRAM ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WHEREAS NATIONAL VOLUNTEER WEEK TAKES PLACE EACH YEAR TO CELEBRATE THE IMPACT OF VOLUNTEER SERVICE AND THE POWER OF VOLUNTEER TO TACKLE SOCIETY'S GREAT CHALLENGES, TO BUILD STRONGER COMMUNITIES, AND BE A FORCE THAT TRANSFORMS THE WORLD. NOW, THEREFORE, I, JOHN MUNS, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PLANO, TEXAS, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM APRIL 17th THROUGH THE 21st, 2023 AS NATIONAL VOLUNTEER WEEK IN PLANO. AND I ALSO EXTEND SPECIAL RECOGNITION TO ALL CITY OF PLANO VOLUNTEERS AND THE 40th YEAR LEGACY OF VOLUNTEERS IN PLANO. I DO, THEREFORE, ENCOURAGE CITIZENS TO JOIN ME AND THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IN HONORING AND THANKING ALL WHO VOLUNTEER, ESPECIALLY THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE. CONGRATULATIONS. (APPLAUSE) >> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. YOU COULD HEAR THE BUZZ AS WE JOINED YOU TONIGHT. WE HAVE SOME AMAZING VOLUNTEERS, THOSE WITH US TONIGHT IN THE BLUE SHIRTS REPRESENT THAT 7,500 DIFFERENT NEIGHBORS, FRIENDS FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, FAITH GANIZATIONS,IVIC CLUBS, WHO CHOOSE TO SERVE. AND NOT EVERYBODY MAKES THAT CHOICE. MORGAN AND I SEE THAT AT VIP EVERY DAY. THOSE WHO DO CALL US AND E-MAIL US ARE MAKING A CHOICE TO SERVE THEIR CITY. AND FOR THAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH. (APPLAUSE). >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. OKAY, SO HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE USUALLY TAKE THE PICTURE THIS WAY. WE'RE TAKING IT THAT WAY. EVERYBODY STAND UP. AND YOU GUYS NEED TO COME GET IN THE PICTURE. I SEE THE T-SHIRTS. YOU CAN'TVOIDE. (LAUGHTE CAN YOU GUYS -- EITHER WAY, I MEAN, I -- WE'RE GOING TO GET YA. LET'S GET RIGHT HERE. >> OKAY, ARE Y'ALL IN? >> Mayor Muns: LET ME PUT THIS UP. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO COME IN? COME ON. NO? JUST LEAVING ME HANGIN'. COME ON, COME ON. YEAH? OKAY. >> ALL RIGHTY. OKAY, ONE, TWO. TEST SHO. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT WILL WORK. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU DO. (APPLAUSE) OKAY. SO THE PLANO FIRE RESCUE HAS RECEIVED RE-ACCREDITATION OM THE COMMISSION ON THE FIRE ACCREDITATION INTERNATIONAL, CFAI RIGHT? OKAY, THAT'S KIND OF A TONGUE TWISTER. SO WE HAVE OUR CHIEF, CHRIS BIGGERSTAFF, ASSISTANT CHIEF, JEFF MOBERLY, BUDGET ANALYST STEPHANIE SAILOR AND BUDGET ANALYST HEATHER SCHWANN. ONCE AGAIN, PLANO FIRE AND RESCUE HAS ONCE AGAIN EARNED RE-ACCREDITATION FROM CFAI. I WAS GOING TO LET THE CHIEF SAY A FEW WORDS >> THANK YOU. THE CFAI, OUR COMMISSION ON FIRE ACCREDITATION INTERNATIONAL IS THE GOLD STANDARD FOR ACCREDITATION IN THE FIRE SERVICE. SO SINCE 2001, PLANO FIRE RESCUE HAS HAD THAT ACCREDITATION, AND SO AFTER 22 YEARS OF DOING RE-ACCREDITATION, YOU WOULD THINK IT WOULD GET EASIER AS YOU WENT ALONG, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE. THEY WOULD PROBABLY TACKLE ME IF I SAID IT WAS EASY. IT DOESN'T GET EASIER BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON CONSTANT THUGH THE PROCESS, THEY LOOK GO AT YOU AND THEY SAY, ARE YOU WHAT YOU SAY YOU ARE? AND THEY LOOK AT EVERY PIECE OF IT. AND THEN THEY ALSO LOOK FROM THE PAST FIVE YEARS -- THAT'S HOW OFTEN YOU DO THE ACCREDITATION -- THEY SAY DID YOU MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS YOU SAID YOU WOULD? SO THERE'S A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT GOES INTO IT. I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOURS, BUT I COULDN'T TOP THE 67,000 HOURS THAT OUR VOLUNTEERS HAD DONE. SO BUT IT'S A DEPARTMENT-WIDE PROJECT. BUT THIS TEAM RIGHT HERE, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO CARRIED THE WEIGHT, CARRIED US ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. SO JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THEM PUBLICLY FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE TO GET US THERE. THANK YOU. (APPLAUSE) >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. COME ON IN HERE. WE'VE GOT TO TAKE PICTURES, YOU KNOW THAT. >> YES, SIR. >> Mayor Muns: COME ON, GUYS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT. (APPLAUSE) AND FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO CALL FORWARD KAREN BELLESSA. DID I SAY IT RIGHT, KAREN? AND ISSUE THE OATH OF OFFICE FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. >> (OFF MIC). >> Mayor Muns: NOT TODAY. IT'S JUST YOU. (LAUGHTER) YOU DID IT TOGETHER? >> I SERVED ON THE (INDISCERNIBLE) COMMISSION, SO SHOUTOUT. >> Mayor Muns: WELL, WELCOME. WELCOME AND WELCOME TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. I'M GOING TO READ THE OATH OF OFFICE FOR YOU. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT OF THE CITY OF PLANO, STATE OF TEXAS, AND WILL TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THIS STATE AND THE CHARTER AND ORDINANCES OF THE CITY? AND YOU, THEREFORE, SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT YOU HAVE NOT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY PAID, FERED, OR PROMISED TO PAY, CONTRIBUTED, NOR PROMISED TO CONTRIBUTE ANY MONEY OR VALUABLE THING OR PROMISED ANY PUBLIC OFFICE DURING EMPLOYMENT AS A REWARD TO SECURE YOUR APPOINTMENT, SO HELP YOU GOD? >> I DO. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. THAT'S A LOT TO ASK, RIGHT? >> THAT'S A LOT TO ASK. THANK YOU, MAYOR. (APPLAUSE) May Mun THANK YOU. TO REMOVE AN ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT I WILL MOVE -- WE DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST, SO I'LL MOVE ONTO THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND WE WILL DO THAT AND GO BACK TO THE REST OF THE POM. >> MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. >> Ricciardelli: SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: YOU READY, LISA? OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8-0. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE BACK TO ITEM IV ON THE PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING AND CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION. COUNCILMEMBER RICCIARDELLI, I THINK YOU HAD A QUESTION OR COMMENT, AND THEN I'LL GET TO YOU, COUNCILMAN GRADY. >> (OFF MIC). >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO THANK YOU. SO FIRST OF ALL, COMMISSIONERS, CHAIRMAN SING, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU AND THE CRC DO. I KNOW YOU GET A LOT OF APPLICATIONS AND PUT A TON OF WORK INTO REVIEWING THEM AND GETTING RESOURCES TO EXCELLENT NONPROFITS TO SERVE THE PLANO COMMUNITY, SO I THINK Y'ALL ARE DOING A GREAT JOB OF THAT. SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE POINTS THAT DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TU RAISED, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS IN THE RUBRIC -- AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS INTENDED, BUT SOME OF THEM READ ALMOST AS IF THIS WAS, IN PART, A WRITINGOMPETITION OR A PUBLIC SPEAKING COMPETITION. YOU KNOW, AND AS A FORMER HIGH SCHOOL DEBATER IN OUR PLANO SCHOOLS, I CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE A GOOD PUBLIC SPEAKING COMPETITION, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU WRITE A BRIEF AND GET GRADED ON THE ORAL ARGUMENT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT Y'ALL ARE GOING FOR, BUT IT KIND OF COMES ACROSS THAT WAY FROM THE QUESTIONS. I ASSUME -- AND I HOPE AND I BELIEVE THIS IS THE CASE, THAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING FOR ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE EXCELLENCE IN SUBSTANTIVELY DELIVERING SERVICES TO THOSE WHO NEED THEM, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST THOS WHO DID THE BEST IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS. OBVIOUSLY, THE APPLICATION PROCESS IS HOW YOU GET THE INFORMATION THAT ENABLES YOU TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHO IS BEST SERVING PLANO RESIDENTS. BUT YOU KNOW, I ASSUME IF, YOU KNOW, IF THE CONTENT OF AN APPLICATION BLOWS YOU AWAY, YOU KNOW, BUT THE GRAMMAR IS NOT GOOD, THERE'S A RUN-ON SENTENCE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT WHAT Y'ALL ARE LOOKING AT. AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD HIGHLIGHT THAT MAY BE GIVING ORGANIZATIONS THAT pIMPRE RUBRIC, AND I WENT THROUGH AND HIGHLIGHTED SOME THINGS. YOU KNOW, THE FIRST ONE OBVIOUSLY SAYS APPLICATION QUALITY, WHICH WAS TEN POINTS. THEN I NOTED THAT, YOU KNOW, QUESTION FOUR, ABILITY TO SERVE PLANO RESIDENTS, WHICH REALLY IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT, RIGHT? >> SURE. >> Ricciardelli: THAT IS LISTED AS ONLY BEING WORTH FIVE POINTS, WHICH IS LESS THAN THE QUALITY OF THE APPLICATION ITSELF. THEN IF YOU LOOK AT SEVEN, YOU KNOW, DID THE SPEAKER EFFECTIVELY ANSWER THE PUBLIC HEARING QUESTIONS IN THE ALLOTTED TIME? THAT'S FIVE POINTS. NUMBER EIGHT WAS THE SPEAKER EFFECTIVELY ABLE TO ANSWER STAFF QUESTIONS, ALSO FIVE POINTS. NUMBER TEN, WAS THE SPEAKER ABLE TO CLEARLY ANSWER COMMISSION QUESTIONS? THAT'S FIVE POINTS. YOU KNOW, WAS THE SPEAKER KNOWLEDGEABLE? THAT'S NUMBER 11. THAT'S FIVE POINTS. NUMBER 12, DID THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION CONTENT MATCH OR ENHANCE THE CONTENT PRESENTED IN THE WRITTEN APPLICATION. THAT'S FIVE POINTS AS WELL. YOU KNOW, I'M ASSUMING, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE Y'ALL HAVE BEEN MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO US FOR ALL THE YEARS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL. I KNOW WHAT Y'ALL ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR IS THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE MAKING THE BIGGEST IMPACT IN THE PLANO COMMUNITY TO DO, YOU KNOW, THESE VALUABLE SOCIAL SERVICES IN THE COMMUNITY. BUT READING THIS APPLICATION, IF I WAS, YOU KNOW -- TO MAYOR PRO TEM PRINCE'S QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT SAYING IS THIS A PROCESS I WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN? I MIGHT THINK IT'S FORM OVER SUBSTANCE. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO SAY YOUR APPLICATION AND YOUR PUBLIC HEARING PRESENTATION ARE HOW WE'RE DETERMINING WHO IS PLANO RESIDENTS BUT NOT HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS THAT FOCUS ON HOW WELL DID YOU DO AT WRITING AND SPEAKING AND MAYBE QUESTIONS THAT REALLY DIG DOWN TO THE MEAT OF, YOU KNOW, WHO IS DOING THE BEST JOB, YOU KNOW, AS REFLECTED IN THE APPLICATION AND THE PRESENTATION, WHO IS DOING THE BEST JOB OF SERVING PLANO RESIDENTS. ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT JUMPED OUT AT ME FROM READING IT. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT MIGHT ENHANCE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT Y'ALL ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR AND WHAT YOU'RE REALLY EVALUATING. SO I WANT TO END WHERE I STARTED, WHICH IS THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INCREDIBLY VALUABLE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO AND THE HOURS AND HOURS Y'ALL PUT IN ON THIS >> SURE. AND JUST TO ASSURE YOU, THERE IS -- I WANT THERE TO BE NO DOUBT THAT THERE IS NO PREPONDERANCE OF SELF-IMPORTANCE IN THE WAY WE STRUCTURE THE SCORING SYSTEM. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I DEFINITELY EMPATHIZE ARE HOW THE FEEDBACK THAT WE CAN WORK ON THE COPY, THE DICTION OF HOW WE WORD THESE CRITERIA. UT I ALSO WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT THIS IS -- WHAT YOU SEE UP TOP IS REALLY JUST A STREAMLINED VERSION, THE HEADLINES OF THE CATEGORIES. THE OVERALL RUBRIC THAT GETS SENT OUT TO THE ORGANIZATIONS, APPLICANTS, THEY DO HAVE THE SUBTEXT. THEY HAVE GENERAL SUBTEXT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE MEMORANDUM THAT'S DISTRIBUTED PREVIOUS TO THE MEETING. THERE IS MORE OF A CONTEXT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. BUT AGAIN, TO THE WISE WORDS OF CHARLIE MUNGER, SOMETIMES IT'S YOU -- INCENTIVE DRIVES DESIRED BEHAVIOR. AND AS I EXPLAINED PREVIOUSLY, WE REALLY HAVE, AS THE CRC, WE HAVE TWO TOUCHPOINTS WITH THESE ORGANIZATIONS, THE WRITTEN APPLICATION AND THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS WHERE THE APPLICANTS COME IN FRONT OF US. AND REALLY TO INCENTIVIZE, FOR THEM TO COME, WE PUT A WEIGHTING -- A SCORING SYSTEM ON HOW THEY PRESENT. BUT AGAIN, I WILL CERTAINLY TAKE THE FEEDBACK BAC TO OUR COMMISSION THAT WE CAN BETTER WORDND BETTER MESSAGE WHAT WE'RE GOING AFTER. >> Ricciardelli: WELL, THANK YOU FOR BEING OPEN TO THAT FEEDBACK. AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO COMMUNICATE THE VITAL IMPORTANCE OF APPLICANTS PUTTING THEIR BEST FOOT FORWARD IN BOTH THE WRITTEN APPLICATION AND THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GUYS HAVE. THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT WAS, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN JUDGING, USING RUBRICS, AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY, OKAY, 4 HAD -- 4 OUT OF 5 ON THIS. 8 OUT OF 10 ON THAT. YOU ADD IT U ATHE END AND YOU THINK, WAIT A MINUTE, THIS ADDED UP TO MORE THAN THAT ONE, BUT I THINK THAT WAS BETTER OR MORE VALUABLE. I GUESS A TWO-PART QUESTION THERE. HAVE YOU HAD THAT EXPERIENCE ON THE CRC? AND THEN SECONDLY, IF YOU HAVE, WHAT DO Y'ALL DO ABOUT THAT? YOU KNOW, IF AFTER, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COMPARTMENTALIZING IT INTO ALL OF THESE, YOU KNOW, COMPARTMENTALIZED SCORES, IF YOU'RE LIKE, WAIT, THAT DIDN'T YIELD THE RESULT THAT INTUITIVELY I THOUGHT IT SHOULD >> WELL, CERTAINLY FROM A PERSONAL SENTIMENT BASIS, THERE'S CERTAINLY GOING TO BE TIMES WHERE THE ORGANIZATION APPLICANT THAT I SCORED HIGHER AVERAGED TO A LOWER SCORE ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION. AND SO THAT CERTAINLY HAPPENS. BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE -- IN OUR DELIBERATIONS AND DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS EACH YEAR AS WE REVIEW THIS PROCESS, WE ARE BASICALLY -- WE'RE PRIORITIZING THE INTEGRITY OF THE PROCESS, BEING ABLE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS -- WE'RE GOING TO OUTLINE IN FRONT OF THE ORGANIZATION AHEAD OF THE PROCESS THAT THIS IS THE MECHANISM BY WHICH WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE GRANT PROCEEDS. NOW, IF IT'S THE MANDATE AND THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL THAT WE SHOULD TAKE MORE OF A DIRECT APPROACH, WE CAN CERTAINLY EVALUATE THAT. AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUS TO 2018, CRC SIMPLY EVALUATED THE WRITTEN APPLICATION, HAD THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS OF THE APPLICANTS, AND THEY GOT TOGETHER IN A ROOM AND THEY SIMPLY NEGOTIATED AND DISCUSSED THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS TO BE REWARDED. AND THERE IS CERTAINLY POSITIVES TO THAT PROCESS. SO WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO FEEDBACK. >> Ricciardelli: I APPRECIATE DOING THIS IN AN IMPARTIAL WAY. I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT SHOULD CHANGE. I JUST WONDERED, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WERE EVER CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THE CRC MEMBERS FELT LIKE THERE WAS TOO HIGH OF A LEVEL OF, I GUESS, RIGIDITY IN THE NUMERICAL SCORES VERSUS, YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT MAY NOT BE CAPTURED IN THOSE CATEGORIES. I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO SAY T EXTREMELY IMPORTANT WORK Y'ALL ARE DOING IN THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE HOURS AND HOURS Y'ALL DEDICATE AS COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERS. SO THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER GRADY? > Grady: IF I MAY, I'D LIKE COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS AND I'LL FORM MY OWN QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. >> Williams: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN SING. FOR THE RECORD, I THINK YOU'RE DOING AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF PUBLIC SPEAKING. SO MY QUESTION TOUCHES ON WHAT BOTH DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI SAID. IT SEEMS VERY HVILY WEIGHTED TOWARDS THE WRITTEN PORTION. BUT I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AT THE ACTUAL MEAT, THE ACTUAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS ORGANIZATION CAN DO. BUT ARE YOU AND HAVE YOU -- CAN YOU, I SHOULD SAY, DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, ADJUST THE WRITTEN SCORE BASED ON INFORMATION THAT COMES TO LIGHT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO TO COME UP WITH A HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE, THE FINANCIAL ABILITY OR FINANCIAL STATUS OF THE ORGANIZATION IS WORTH 15 POINTS ON THE WRITTEN PORTION. SO IF MAYBE THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE RUBC WELL OR THEY ANSWERED A QUESTION THAT WASN'T ASKED OR OMITTED A PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT CAME TO LIGHT IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO THEY DIDN'T SCORE AS WELL DURING THE WRITTEN PORTION, BUT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU WERE LIKE, OH, I WISH I'D KNOWN THAT IN THE WRITTEN PORTION. CAN YOU ADJUST THOSE SCORES TO REFLECT THAT INFORMATION?p>> TH HAVE NOT DONE THAT. BUT ALSO, TO YOUR POINT, WE HAVE -- COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE BROUGHT UP THE EXACT POINT YOU BROUGHT UP. WHAT IF IN A SITUATION WE DISCOVER THINGS IN THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WE REA IN THE WRITTEN PLICATION? AND ONE ADJUSTMENT THAT WE MADE OVER THE COURSE OF THESE PAST TWO YEARS IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE RUBRIC CRITERIA FOR PUBLIC HEARING, THERE IS FIVE POINTS REWARDED ON THE BASIS OF DID THE PUBLIC PRESENTATION CONTENT MATCH OR ENHANCE THE APPLICATION CONTENT? SO THAT IS A VALUE SYSTEM TO SAY, HEY, IF WE DISCOVER THINGS IN THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT IS IN CONTRADICTION TO WHAT WE REVIEWED IN THE WRITTEN APPLICATION, THAT SHOULD WARRANT A LOWER SCORE OF THOSE FIVE POINTS. TO YOUR POI ABOUT THE WRITTEN APPLICATION, THINGS WE DISCOVER, OUR PHILOSOPHY AND OUR CONCLUSION HAS BEEN, HEY, WE WANT THE ORGANIZATION TO PUT THE BEST FOOT FORWARD ON THE WRITTEN APPLICATION. IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT UNFAIR TO THE INTENT OF EQUAL ACCESS TO A FAIR PROCESS IF WE WERE TO ALLOW FOR A CERTAIN ORGANIZATION TO COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SAY HEY, HEY, HEY, WAIT. WE DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME ON THE WRITTEN APPLICATION. LET'S REVISE THE PRESENTED DUE DILIGENCE DOCUMENTS OR THE FACTS THAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE WRITTEN APPLICATION. SO THAT IS KIND OF THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ENGINEER AWAY WITH OUR PROCESS AND OUR ADHERENCE TO INTEGRITY OF PROCESS WITH THE WRITTEN APPLICATION >> Williams: OKAY, THAT'S FAIR. I WAS THINKING NOT WHEN THERE WAS CONFLICT BUT WHERE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL COMES TO LIGHT. GO AHEAD, I'M SORRY. >> YES, IF SOMETHING ADDITIONAL -- AND WE FEEL THAT, AGAIN, TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FEEDBACK FROM COUNCILMEMBER RICCIARDELLI, WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB WITH THE COPY AND DICTION OF HOW WE PRESENT THE CRITERI FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. BUT THAT -- A LOT OF THAT CRITERIA IS MEANT TO AWARD ORGANIZATIONS FOR ENHANCING WRITTEN APPLICATION. >> Williams: OKAY. AND TO YOUR GOAL OF TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED WEIGHTING THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION A LITTLE MORE HEAVILY THAN IT IS CURRENTLY? >> WE HAVE CONSIDERED THAT. AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S DELIBERATED ON EVERY YEAR. BUT I CAN SHARE WITH YOU IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS SINCE THE RUBRIC HAS BEEN ADOPTED, THERITT APPLICATION HAS MORE WEIGHTED BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE WANTED -- WE FEEL THAT THE COMPETENCY AND THE FINANCIAL WHEREWITHAL OF AN ORGANIZATION IS STATIC AT THAT POINT IN TIME. IT SHOULDN'T CHANGE BASED ON THE PRESENTATION AND THE ABILITY OF THE PUBLIC SPEAKER. AND THAT'S COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A NATURAL PUBLIC SPEAKER, SO I CAN COMPLETELY EMPATHIZE WITH THAT SENTIMENT OF OUR COMMISSION. BUT THAT'S WHY HISTORICALLY WE WEIGHTED THE WRITTEN APPLICATION MORE THAN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> Williams: WELL, STILL DOING AN INCREDIBLE JOB. AND THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. >> Mayor Ms: COUNCILMEMBER GRADY. >> Grady: THANK YOU. I JUST HAD A FEW QUESTIONS I WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I HAD SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES WITH THE RUBRIC, AND I'LL MENTION THEM IN A MINUTE. BUT IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS IN THE DOCUMENT THAT THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IS THAT THE APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S CONSOLIDATED PLAN ON HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT NEEDS. HAVE YOU READ THAT PLAN? >> WHICH, THE -- >> Grady: THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN FOR THE CITY? >> NOT RECENTLY, BUT I HAVE. >> Grady: HAVE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS READ THE PLAN? >> AS PART OF THE TRAINING, THE PLAN HAS BEEN REVIEWED WITH THE COMMISSION. >> Grady: BECAUSE I WAS JUST WONDERING. I HAVE THE PLAN HERE. IT'S 266 PAGES LONG. SO ENJOY THE READING. IT'S A VERY THOROUGH DOCUMENT. BUT IT'S EXTREMELY DETAILED AND VERY THICK. THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THAT AN APPLICANT THAT IS GOING TO APPLY FOR THIS, THERE'S NO LINK ON THE SITE, ON THIS APPLICATION PROCESS TO FIND THIS DOCUMENT. I HAD TO SEARCH FOR IT MYSELF BECAUSE IN THE APPLICATION ITSELF, AS IT EXISTS ON THE WEBSITE, THERE IS NO WAY THAT I CAN AS AN APPLICANT FIND THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT. AND IT SAYS THAT YOUR APPLICATION IS BASED ON THIS DOCUMENT FOR WHICH THE COMMISSIONERS ARE GOING TO WEIGH WHETHER OR NOT YOUR APPLICATION FULFILLS THE NEED OF THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN AND THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, WHICH IS ANOTHER 58 PAGES ADDED ON TO THAT PIECE OF READING. AND SO THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS IF THEYAN'TIND THESE DOCUMENTS, THEY CAN'T FILL OUT THE APPLICATION CORRECTLY SO THEY CAN BE EVALUATED CORRECTLY SO IT FULFILLS THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY NEEDS. AND SO THAT'S THE FIRST CONCERN THAT I SAW WITHIN THE DOCUMENT. AND SO I WANTED TO PASS THAT ON SO THAT YOU KNOW WHERE I WAS COMING FROM AS FAR AS A CONCERN WITH THE PROCESS IN AND OF ITSELF. THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO TOUCH ON, AND MANY OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS, MY PEERS, HAVE TOUCHED ON THAT, CERTAINLY HAS BEEN THE RUBRIC ITSELF. AND THE RUBRIC BASICALLY SAYS -- AS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, MOST OF IT IS ON THE WRITTEN APPLICATION AND THEN ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT PORTION ON IT IS THE PRESENTATION. A LOT OF THESE NONPROFITS ARE EXTREMELY GOOD AT DELIVERING SERVICES INTO THE COMMUNITY. THEY HAVE A HEART IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. THEY KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE PEOPLE THAT THEY SERVE AND HOW THEY NEED TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES. THEY MAY NOT BE THE GREATEST PERFORMER IN THE WORLD. AND THEY MAY NOT BE THE GREATEST AUTHOR IN THE WORLD. AND SO THE CAUTION THAT I HAVE IS THAT IF IT IS STRICTLY ON HOW WELL THEY WROTE A DOCUMENT OR HOW WELL THEY PERFORMED IN FRONT OF YOU OR HOW WELL THEY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION OR THE STAFF'S QUESTION IN A SUBJECTIVE MANNER, DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE UNABLE TO DELIVER THOSE SERVICES IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY CAN REALLY DELIVER THE SERVICES IN THE COMMUNITY BUT THEY'RE NOT A GREAT PUBLIC SPEAKER AND THEY'RE NOT A GREAT WRITER. AND SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY AS COUNCILMEMBER RICCIARDELLI POINTED OUT, THAT QUESTION FOUR IS THE ABILITY TO SERVE PLANO RESIDENTS, WHICH SHOULD BE THE KEY TO EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING IS ONLY 5 POINTS OUT OF 100. SO I LOOKED AT THAT AND CIRCLED THAT ONE, AND I CIRCLED ALSO NUMBER 14, WHICH IS THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN OUTCOMES. ARE WE DELIVERING TO THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN OUTCOMES? SO WHAT I DID IS I WENT THROUGH -- I ACTUALLY DID READ THIS, BY THE WAY, AND I MADE SOME NOTES WITHIN THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, WHICH I THOUGHT WERE OF IMPORTANCE, AND I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT TO YOU AS WELL, YOU AND THE STAFF SO THAT YOU KNEW WHERE MY THOUGHTS WERE. PRIMARILY THERE ARE SEVEN GOALS WITHIN THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, WHICH SYNCS WITH THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN. AND THEY'RE DEFINED FAIRLY SPECIFICALLY. HOUSING REHABILITATION, HOME OWNERSHIP, SUPPLY OF UNITS, HOMELESSNESS PREVENTION, HOMELESSNESS SHELTERINGND SERVICES, PUBLIC SERVICES AND SPECIAL NEEDS AND THEN FINALLY, GRANT ADMINISTRATION. SO I WANTED TO DIG THROUGH THAT JUST A LITTLE BIT FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT IF I WAS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, WHICH IS HOW WELL WE'VE DONE SO FAR. WE ARE NOW IN THE 20 TO 24 CONSOLIDATED PLAN IN YEAR THREE. WE'VE ALREADY PASSED '20, '21, AND '22. I GUESS YOU COULD COUNT IT AS YEAR FOUR, BUT WE'RE NOT THAT DEEP INTO IT. WE'VE HAD SOME WHAT I WOULD CALL ACCOMPLISHMENTS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GETTING TO THE GOALS WE'VE SET UP. THE CONCERN I HAVE IS, ARE WE GETTING THE RIGHT DOLLARS TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS? AS WE TALK ABOUT THE RUBRIC AND BEING ABLE TO -- FOR IT TO SATISFY WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE. SO WHEN I START TAKING A LOOK AT SOME OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND, IS WHEN WE ADMINISTER THE PLAN, WE ACTUALLY IN THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANTS OR AS WE ALL ACRONYMICLY SAY, CDBG FUNDS, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAXIMIZE WHAT I CALL A CARVE OFF OF THAT, OF 20%, AND THAT IS USED FOR GRANT ADMINISTRATION. THAT ADDS UP TO ABOUT $285,000, SOMEWHERE IN THERE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER SIX GOAL AREAS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TO ACHIEVE, WE'VE REALLY ONLY IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS LENT OUT DOLLARS TO FIVE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS. AND IF YOU ADD UP THE CDBG FUNDS WE PUT OUT TO THOSE FIVE ORGANIZATIONS, IT CAME UP TO $272,000. SO I'M SITTING HERE THINKING WE'RE ADMINISTERING USING $285,000 TO ADMINISTER FIVE GRANTS FOR A TOTAL OF 72,0. OTHER THAN OUR OWN WORK INTERNALLY. SO HOUSING REHAB, WE DO INTERNALLY. AND IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY IN THE DOCUMENT THAT WE DO THAT -- HOUSING REHAB IS ADMINISTERED THROUGH 777 EAST 15th, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR BUILDINGS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. SO THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE WHEN WE ADMINISTER CDBG FUNDS IS GETTING MONEY OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY. AND IF WE'RE USING 285 OR $282,000 TO ADMINISTER $272,000 IN FIVE GRANTS, I WONDER HOW MUCH WE'RE GETTING OUT TO THE STREET. SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT? >> YES. AND IN RESPONSE FOR A BIG PART -- YOU KNOW, WE MIRROR YOUR SENTIMENTS AND, PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE ALLOCATION OF CDBG AND HOME FUNDS. FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND OBSERVATION, I THINK A BIG PART OF THAT IS T P-OF-THE-FNEL ISSUE. THERE'S NOT VERY MANY APPLICANTS THAT COME TO THE CITY FOR CDBG AND HOME FUNDS FOR VARIOUS REASONS. ONE OF THE REASONS SHARED TO ME BY MANY OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT SIMPLY THE RESTRICTIONS, THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS OF THOSE FUNDS ARE PROHIBITED FOR THEM TO UTILIZE THOSE FUNDS OR NOT WORTHWHILE. SO I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION. I'M OPEN TO A SOLUTION, BUT I DEFINITELY EMPATHIZE WITH THE PROBLEM YOU'VE IDENTIFIED WITH >> OKAY.ND AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU MENTION THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND FIND PEOPLE THAT CAN USE THOSE FUNDS. I THINK THAT OUR STAFF, BETTER UTILIZATION SOMETIMES IS NOT DOING HOUSING REHAB. I'M GOING TO BE REAL HONEST. LOTS OF OTHER THINGS, A LOT OF IMPORTANT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. WE DON'T NEED TO BE A HOUSING REHAB GENERAL CONTRACTOR. AND SO I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. SO THOSE ARE MY MAJOR CONCERN, IS THE RUBRIC ITSELF, 90% OF IT DOESN'T ADDRESS WHAT I SAY IS GETTING DOLLARS OUT ON THE STREET AND BOOTS ON THE GROUND. AND THEN THE FUNDING. SO THOSE ARE MY POINTS. I KNOW THAT THE COUNCILMEMBERS BROUGHT UP OTHERS. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THEM, THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING AT THE TRUE DELIVERABLE SUBSTANCE, WHICH IS HOW MUCH ARE WE ACTUALLY DOING FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY? I UNDERAND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE CDBG AND HOME FUNDS AND HOW IT HAS SOME RESTRICTIONS TO IT. I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT >> SURE. >> AND FROM A COMMISSION STANDPOINT, THAT WOLD BE A CHARGE THAT I WOULD GIVE YOU, IS WE NEED TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE IF OUR DRIVE, IF OUR GUIDE IS THIS CONSOLIDATED PLAN AND THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, AND WE EXPECT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE APPLYING FOR THIS TO READ THESE TWO DOCUMENTS AND UNDERSTAND THEM SO THAT WE CAN GRADE THEM ON THEIR APPLICATIONS DELIVERY, AND THEN WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE SCORE THAT'S IN THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN ON HOW WELL WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST THREE YEARS, I DON'T THINK THEY MATCH UP TO WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO BE DOING. >> SURE. COUNCILMAN GRADY, JUST SO I CAN MITIGATE SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS, IN TERMS OF THE RUBRIC ON THE WRITTEN APPLICATION COMPONENT, YOUR CONCERN ABOUT DIRECTING PROCEEDS AND VALUATION, THE WEIGHTED VALUE TO PRIORITY NEEDS WITHIN THE CITY, OF COURSE WE HAVE THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION THEY NEED. AND YES, THAT ONLY 10 POINTS. BUT THE WAY -- PERHAPS THE MISTAKE THAT OR THE AREA OF REFINEMENT THAT WE CAN TAKE IS THAT OUR INTENTION FOR THAT IS THAT IT'S TO BE MATCHED WITH THE CAPACITY TO MANAGE PROGRAM, ABILITY TO SERVE RESIDENTS, AND PROPOSE OUTCOME PROJECT DESCRIPTION IN NEED IS - JUST AN IDEA. AND THERE'S A THOUGHT PROCESS IN BUSINESS. THE IDEA IS NOT WORTH THE MILLION DOLLARS. IT'S THE COMPETENCY AND THE EXECUTION. SO WHEN COMPARED WITH ABILITY TO SERVE PLANO RESIDENTS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AWARDING 35 OF THE MAXIMUM 60 POINTS ON THE WRITTEN APPLICATION TO REALLY OUR EVALUATION OF THE ORGANIZATION'S ABILITY TO BOTH HAVE THE IDENTIFIED IDEA TO THE PROJECT NEED BUT ALSO TO EXECUTE. SO AGAIN, I KNOW THIS IS THE FIFTH YEAR WE'VE HAD THIS RUBRIC, AND THIS IS FRANKLY, THE FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD THIS EXPLICIT FEEDBACK, AND WE WELCOME IT. WE THOUGHT WE WERE DOING GOOD B WE CAN DO BETTER. I WILL CERTAINLY TAKE THESE SENTIMENTS BACK TO THE COMMISSION, AND WE CAN REFINE THE WORDING AND PERHAPS HOW WE GROUP THESE CRITERIA MEASURES. >> Grady: GOOD. I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING IS THE OUTCOMES BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE STATED WITHIN THE APPLICATION PROCESS IS THE BIGGEST CONCERN WE HAVE IS THE OUTCOMES. BUT OUR SCORECARD DOESN'T INDICATE WE'RE ACCOMPLISHING OUR OUTCOMES. SO WHEN I SEE THAT THE SCORECARD IS NOT ACCOMPLISHING WHAT WE SAID OUR OUTCOMES NEED TO BE, I START GOINGACK TO THEROCESS TO FIND OUT WHERE THE ISSUES ARE, AND THAT'S WHERE I'M FINDING THEM. >> YES. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN SMITH? >> Smith: THANK YOU, MAYOR, JUST QUICKLY, JUST A FOLLOWUP. I ALSO AGREE, I THINK YOU DO A FINE JOB ON PUBLIC SPEAKING. DON'T CUT YOURSELF SHORT. ONE THING I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST AND A LOT HAS BEEN SAID, BUT I THINK WITH MAYOR PRO TEM'S POINT AND MAYOR -- DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM BOTH. WE DO NEED TO HAVE A TRACK FOR LET CL I FIRST TIMERS, A BEGINNER'S TRACK BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, ONE GROUP THAT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM US HERE, HOPE RESTORED MISSION. I KNOW I'VE HELPED THEM WITH SOME THINGS. I ASKED THEM ONCE, I SAID YOU NEED TO APPLY FOR A GRANT PROCESS TO GET SOME ASSISTANCE. THEY HELP HOMELESS PREVENTION AND PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMELESS AND HELP THEM GET BACK ON THEIR FEET. AND THEY SAID WE'RE TOO SMALL. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT CAN WRITE THIS THING. SO THAT HAPPENS. AND I THINK IF WE HAD A TRACK, A SEPARATE CATEGORY, AS WE'RE DOING ALL THIS, SET ASIDE FOR FIRST-TIME APPLICANTS, IT WOULD KIND OF BE AN EQUAL FOOTING. YES, EVERYBODY MIGHT DO A CRAPPY WRITTEN THING, BUT THEY'LL ALL DO THE CRAPPY WRITTEN THING. THEY'RE ON EQUAL GROUND, NOT COMPETING AGAINST PEOPLE WHO DO THIS EVERY YEAR AND GET GRANTS AND FUNDS BECAUSE THEY DO IT EVERY YEAR. THEY KNOW HOW TO DO IT. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND. LET'S SET ASIDE -- AND YES, COUNCILMAN GRADY, GREAT POINTS. PAY ATTENTION TO THE RUBRICS BECAUSE COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI POINTED THIS OUT, IT'S ALL ABOUT SERVING THE CITIZENS, SERVING THE PEOPLE IN NEED. IF WE'RE NOT ENSURING THE BEST WAY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, WE ARE NOT DOING THE RIGHT JOB. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE WE HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB AT DELIVERING. IT DOES NO GOOD TO GET THE MONEY IF WE CAN'T GET IT OUT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED. LET'S DEFINITELY LOOK AT DOING A SEPARATE TRACK FOR FIRST-TIME APPLICANTS AND PUTTING THAT IN PLACE. THAT WOULD BE, I THINK, VERY HELPFUL FOR US. >> THANK YOU. >> Smith: THANKS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. >> DID YOU WANT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS OR FUTURE DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA ITEMS AND WE'LL FINISH >> Mayor Muns: YEAH, ON THE POM, ANY ITEMS FOR ACTION ON FUTURE AGENDAS OR DISCUSSION? OKAY. ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL >> PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL, IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME, WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY AMEND THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. NONPUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY, AND MAY INCLUDE A CUMULATIVE TIME LIMIT. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER REQUESTS ARE RECEIVED UNTIL THE CUMULATIVE TIME IS EXHAUSTED. ITEM NUMBER ONE. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2023- 001 TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NO. 2015- 5-2, AS HERETOFORE AMENDED, GRANTING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NO. 67 FOR MARTIAL ARTS STUDIO ON 0.1 ACRE OF LAND LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CAPITAL AVENUE, 684 FEET EAST OF N AVENUE IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, PRESENTLY ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL-1, DIRECTING A CHANGE ACCORDINGLY IN THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY; AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE >> HELLO, AGAIN, MAYOR, COUNCIL, AND EXECUTIVES. I AM CHRISTINA DAY, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. SO WE HAVE A ZONING CASE BEFORE YOU, THE FIRST 2023 ZONING CASE, AND IT IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A MARTIAL ARTS STUDIO IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREA OF EAST PLANO AT CAPITAL AVENUE NEAR N AVENUE. SO YOU CAN SEE THE LOCATION. IT'S A LEASED SPACE, SO IT'S INTERNAL TO THE LOT BECAUSE IT'S PART OF A BUILDING. AND THE NOTICE AREA, 200 FOOT AND 500 FOOT INDICATED ON THE SCREEN. SO THIS ISN AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH OF WHERE THIS WOULD BE LOCATED WITHIN THE BUILDING. AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THE BUILDING FACES CAPITAL AVENUE. SO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS PART OF THE EMPLOYMENT CENTER'S DESIGNATION ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT DESIGNATION. IT IS CLASSIFIED AS RETAIL TYPES, WHICH WOULD NOT CHANGE THE LAND USE MIX IN THIS AREA. SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS SUMMARY, THE REQUEST MEETS THE DESCRIPTION IN PRIORITY. THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE MIX OF USES. AND THE OTHER ITEMS ARE NOT REALLY APPLICABLE BECAUSE THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE PHYSICAL SITE. SO WITH THAT, WE HAVE ONE RESPONSE. WE HAD A LETTER FROM AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN 200 FEET. THEY ARE NEUTRAL TO THE REQUEST. AND THEN WE HAD A NUMBER OF OTHER FEEDBACK, THREE TOTAL FEEDBACK RESPONSES WITH ONE IN SUPPORT AND TWO NEUTRAL CITYWIDE. SO WITH THAT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS UNANIMOUSLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM, AND I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, CHRISTINA. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? THANKS. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS? >> THE ONLY SPEAKER WE HAVE ON THIS ITEM IS THE APPLICANT. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO -- >> YES, SORRY. >> Mayor Muns: OH, NO PROBLEM. >> HI, I'M TRACY DICKEY, AND I'M A RESIDENT OF MURPHY, BUT I HAVE TWO BUSINESSES HERE IN PLANO. I WANTED TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY SCHOOL. IT'S TEXAS KARATE OF EAST PLANO, A TRADITIONAL OKINAWA KARATE. I'VE BEEN IN THE PLANO COMMUNITY IN THAT AREA FOR OVER 15 YEARS SUBLEASING SPACE. THROUGHOUT THIS TIME I'VE BEEN LOCATED WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT GYM NASTIC SCHOOLS ALONG SUMMIT AVENUE BUT MOST RECENTLY THE FOOT FACTORY ON SUMMIT. OUR PROGRAM INCLUDES MARTIAL ARTS CLASSES FOR STUDENTS OF ALL ABILITIES AND AGES UP TO -- 4 AND UP. OUR CLASSES ARE SELF-DEFENSE TRAINING AND LOCAL CHARITIES INCLUDING EMILY'S PLACE AND NEW BEGINNINGS, HOPE STORE AND TREASURED VESSELS FOUNDATION WHERE I VOLUNTEER. WE PROVIDE SELF-DEFENSE SEMINARS FOR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, COLLEGE STUDENTS, GIRL SCOUTS TROOPS, AND TEACHERS, ET CETERA. AND IN LIEU OF FEES, I DON'T ALL THAT MONEY TO HOPE STORE TREASURED VESSELS. MORE THAN FOUR OUT OF FIVE OF OUR STUDENTS ATTEND WITH ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER, WHETHER A PARENT OR A SIBLING. WE PROVIDE AN ADAPTIVE PROGRAM FOR STUDENTS WITH PHYSICAL AND MENTAL DISABILITIES AND 20% OF OUR STUDENTS ARE ON SCHOLARSHIP SO THEY CAN CONTINUE THEIR TRAINING. TO REMAIN WITHIN THE SAME AREA OF PLANO THAT WE HAVE BEEN AND LOOKING TO OPEN UP THE FACILITY AT 1506 CAPITAL. THIS LOCATION IS CENTRAL TO OUR CURRENT STUDENTS AND OUR FAMILIES AS WELL AS PROVIDING TRADITIONAL MARTIAL ARTS SCHOOL IN THE CENTRAL PLANO AREA, AND IS IDEAL SIZE WITH WORKOUT AREA, CHANGING ROOMS, RESTROOMS AND LOBBY FOR THE PARENTS. OUR LOCATION IS NESTLED IN OTHER ATHLETIC FACILITIES ON SUMMIT AVENUE, AVENUE N, PLANO PARKWAY, SUCH AS VOLLEYBALL, CHEERLEADING, JUJITSU, AND BASKETBALL. WITH MOST OF OUR CLASSES ON THE WEEKENDS AND EVENINGS, THERE'S LITTLE IMPACT ON THE OTHER TENANTS. WITH OUR OWN FACILITY, WE'RE ABLE TO EXPAND OUR OUTREACH TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, OFFER MORE CLASSES TAILORED TOWARD SPECIFIC NEED STUDENTSITH CHALLENGES, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SEMINARS TO LOCAL BUSINESSES AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND INCREASE OUR VOLUNTEERING WITH UNDERSERVED MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, WHICH I'D LIKE TO GET INVOLVED IN THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB OF PLANO. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION A A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. ANY COMMENTS? PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES, THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM. >> ITEM NUMBER TWO. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2022- 018 TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NO. 2015- 5-2, AS HERETOFORE AMENDED, SO AS TO REZONE 5.2 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF J PLACE, 111 FEET NORTH OF STATE HIGHWAY 190 IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, FROM LIGHT COMMERCIAL TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-57-CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL AND RESCIND SPECIFIC USE PERMITS NO. 525 AND 529 FOR CONTRACT CONSTRUCTION; NO. 526 AND 528 FOR AUTO STORAGE; AND NO. 527 AND 530 FOR USED CAR DEALER; PRESENTLY ZONED LIGHT COMMERCIAL WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMITS NO. 525 AND 529 FOR CONTRACT CONSTRUCTION; NO. 526 AND 528 FOR AUTO STORAGE; AND NO. 527 AND 530 FOR USED CAR DEALER; DIRECTING CHANGES ACCORDINGLY IN THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY; AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE INDICATE. DATE >> ALL RIGHT, THIS NEXT CASE, ZONING CASE 2022-18 IS A REQUEST TO REZONE 5.2 ACRES ON THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE CORRIDOR LOCATED ON J PLACE, AND THE REQUEST IS TO CREATE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WHICH BETTER ALLOWS THIS PROPERTY TO COMPLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STANDARDS. SO MOVING FORWARD, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING PROPERTIES TODAY VIA AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH, AND THE SURROUNDING LAND USES IN THE AREA. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, AND IT IS SURROUNDED PRIMARILY BY COMMERCIAL USES TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST. THERE IS SOME VACANT PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH AND A MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST ACROSS THE DART LIGHTRAIL LINE. STATE HIGHWAY 190 IS ALSO TO THE SOUTH. SO THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PACKAGE. IT IS NOT ATTACHED TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT STIPULATION, THERE COUE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE SITE AS IT MOVES THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, BUT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT COULD DEVELOP WITH THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT STIPULATIONS THAT ARE PROPOSED. THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS PROPOSED. THE PROPERTY IS BISECTED EAST/WEST ROUGHLY IN THE MIDDLE BY A NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT EASEMENT, SO HENCE THE TWO BUILDINGS IN THAT SEPARATION THAT'S BEING USED AS A CONNECTION THROUGH THE PROPERTY. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ZONING HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY. PRIOR TO 2003, IT WAS ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, AND IT STILL CONTAINS INDUSTRIAL-TYPE USES. HENCE, ALSO ALL THE SPECIFIC USE PERMITS THAT WOULD BE RESCINDED WERE THIS CASE APPROVED. THINGS LIKE USED CAR DEALERSHIP AND CONTRACT CONSTRUCTION ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED HERE BECAUSE OF THAT PREVIOUS LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING. THE CITY INITIATED REZONING OF THIS AREA BECAUSE OF CHANGES TO THE CORRIDOR BACK IN 2003. AND AT THAT TIME, THE PROPERTY WAS CHANGED TO LIGHT COMMERCIAL AND THOSE SUPs WERE PUT IN PLACE. A SIMILAR ZONING CASE WAS SUBMITTED PREVIOUSLY IN 2001 BUT WENT THROUGH A COUPLE REVIEW CYCLES AND THAT CASE WAS WITHDRAWN. IT DID NOT -- THERE WAS NO PUBLIC HEARING. SO THIS IS WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOWS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. IT IS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR'S FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY. AND SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ANALYSIS, I WANT TO SPEND A FEW MINUTES ON THIS BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE SOME DETAILS THERE. IT DOES MEET THE DESCRIPTION AND PRIORITIES OF THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR, THE MIX OF USES ARE NOT EXACTLY ALIGNED. THE MIX HAS 92.8% MULTI-FAMILY TODAY. AND THE ALIGNMENT WITH THE MIX IS 0 TO 90%. CHARACTER-DEFINING ELEMENTS, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW OF THOSE THAT MEET. HOWEVER, THERE IS SOME CITY COUNCIL DIRECTION NEEDED ON THE APPLICABILITY OF TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE DENSITY IN THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR DEPENDS ON WHETHER IT'S CONSIDERED TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. THERE WAS INFORMATION ON THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT. PLANNING AND ZONING DID FIND IT WAS TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S YET TO BE SEEN THIS EVENING. THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN MAP, BIKE TRANSPORTATION MAP AND MASTER PLAN MAP ARE ALL IN CONFORMANCE WITH THIS QUEST. THERE IS MITIGATION PROPOSED. TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR'S - POLICY, THAT REQUIRES COMPLIANCE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO BECAUSE OF THE MIX OF USES ISSUE THAT IS -- THAT CREATES A CONCERN WITH THAT POLICY. THAT'S SIMILAR TO CONCERNS ON RGM-1 AND RGM-8. AND THEN AGAIN, PENDING THE TOD APPLICABILITY, AND STRATEGY DATE. THERE IS SOME CONFORMANCE IF YOU FIND IT TO BE I KNOW THA. ALL RIGHT. SO HERE IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AREA MAP SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS LOCATED IN THE EHA-2 AREA, THAT STATES THAT SENSITIVE LAND USES ARE GENERALLY INAPPROPRIATE, BUT MAY UTILIZED IF SATISFACTORY MITIGATION IS ACHIEVED, SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE IS THE MITIGATION. THERE ARE MITIGATION MEASURES PROPOSED FOR BOTH NOISE AND POLLUTION IN THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT STIPULATIONS. SO THE QUESTION OF IS THIS TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DOES NOT INCLUDE THE BUSH STATION; HOWEVER, THE DOWNTOWN PLAN DOES INCORPORATE THE BUSH DART STATION, SO THERE COMES THE POLICY CONFLICT THAT YOU CAN WRESTLE WITH. IT IS WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE TO THE BUSH DART STATION AT APPROXIMATELY $1,000 FEET, AND SO FUTURE RESIDENTS WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A DIRECT PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION AC STROS STATE HIGHWAY 190 BY A PROPOSED TRAIL CONNECTION. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID FIND THIS TO BE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES SUPPORT THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WITHIN WALKING STANCE O LIGHTAIL STATIONS. SO MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN THE PD IS LIMITED TO 325 UNITS ON THE SITE. THEY'RE UTILIZING THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS GOVERNMENT ZONING DISTRICT STANDARDS FOR THE TYPE OF MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU WOULD SEE, SO IF THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE TYPE DESIGN THAT YOU WOULD SEE THERE, BOTH UNIT SIZE, PARKING, THE STANDARDS THAT ARE UTILIZED IN THE PD ARE BASED ON THAT ZONING DISTRICT. THERE ARE SOME ADJACENCY ISSUES TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH, THE SOUTH PRIMARILY BEING THE HIGHWAY, THE NORTH BEING THE -- SOME EXISTING LAND USES THERE WITH GARAGE DOORS FACING THE SITE. THOSE ARE, AGAIN, ADDRESSED THROUGH THE PD STIPULATIONS. THERE'S SOME LANDSCAPE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED, AND THERE ARE ALSO SITE AMENITY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY USE THAT WE HOPE BRING SOME ADDITIONAL QUALITY OF LIFE TO FUTURE RESIDENTS, SHOULD THE REQUEST BE APPROVED. SO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT STIPULATIONS ALSO INCLUDE EHA MITIGATION, SO POLLUTION MEASURES, INCLUDING LOCATION FOR INTAKES FOR OUTDOOR AIR, MECHANICAL VENTILATION REQUIREMENTS NOISE MITIGATION USING THE PARKING STRUCTURE AS A BUFFER, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, REQUIRING INTERIOR NOISE MITIGATION AND BALCONY RESTRICTIONS ARE ALL PART OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. WITH REGARD TO OPEN SPACE, AGAIN WE'RE BACK TO THE IS IT A TOD QUESTION, THE TOD STANDARD IN THE DASHBOARD POLICY IS FIVE TO TEN PERCENT FOR THE TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN FOR OTHER AREAS, IT'S 10 TO 20%. THE PROPOSAL IS CLOSER TO THE NONTOD, BUT WE THINK BECAUSE OF THE BUFFERS THAT ARE NEEDED BECAUSE OF SOME ADJACENCY, THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION IN THIS AREA EVEN IF YOU FIND IT TO BE TRANSIT-ORIENTED. SO RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS, THERE IS A SETBACK FROM THE NORTHERN PROPERTY HERE, AND THAT IS HELPFUL AGAIN TO SCREEN AND BUFFER FROM THOSE ADJACENT USES. THERE'S A TEN FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER, AS WELL AS A FENCING. THERE'S A FIVE FOOT LANDSCAPE EDGE ON THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, A PLACE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED AMENITIES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE CATEGORY PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY, STREET TREES, ON STREET PARKING AND THEN A NICE CONNECTION TO THE EXISTING TRAIL ALONG THE DART LINE THAT IS ON THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE PROPERTY. SO WITH REGARD TO FEEDBACK, WE INCLUDED TWO TABLES. WE DON'T OFTEN GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PROPERTY ITSELF, BUT THIS TIME WE DID. WE DID NOT GET RESPONSES FROM WITHIN THE BUFFER, BUT WE DID GET RESPONSE FROM A PROPERTY OWNER, SO THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE ONE SIGNED LETTER HERE, REPRESENTING TWO ACRES. AND THEN OTHER RESPONSES THROUGHOUT -- THAT WE RECEIVED WE'LL SAY EIGHT, TWOERE DLICATE RESPONSES AND TWO RESPONSES ARE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY OF PLANO. THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 10 RESPONSES. SO IF YOU LOOK FOR UNDUPE KAITD PLANO RESPONSES, YOUR NUMBER IS SIX. AND THERE'S A MAP OF THOSE LOCATIONS. SO THE PLANNING AND ZONNG COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH A VOTE OF FOUR IN FAVOR, ONE IN OPPOSITION, AND ONE ABSTENTION. THIS CASE DOES REQUIRE FINDINGS DUE TO THE RGM POLICY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SO WITH THAT, THAT WOULD JUST BE IF YOU WERE VOTING TO APPROVE, AND WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THIS CASE. >> Mayor Muns: THANKS, CHRISTINA. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF? MAYOR PRO TEM. >> ON THE UNDEVELOPED LAND RIGHT TO THE SOUTH, HOW LARGE IS THAT SPACE? >> WE COULD LOOK TT UP. WE'VE LOOKED AT IT SPECIFICALLY, IS IT A DEVELOPABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY. >> Prince: YEAH. >> AND I THINK THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES TO DEVELOPING THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, BUT I THINK THAT IT MAY REQUIRE VARIANCES, BUT I DO THINK THAT YOU COULD DEVELOP SOMETHING, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING VERY SMALL. >> Prince: OKAY. SO YOU DON'T HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE TWO -- THERE BEING INCOMPATIBLE ZONING WITH ONE BEING RESIDENTIAL AND ONE REMAINING LIGHT COMMERCIAL THERE? >> I DO NOT THINK TT'S THE MOST FAVORABLE CONDITION. BUT I THINK THERE'S A VERY LIMITED -- THERE ARE VERY LIMITED OPPORTUNITIES ON THAT PROPERTY. IT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE THAT THAT PROPERTY WERE REZONED, SO IF THIS ZONING CASE IS APPROVED, IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WANTS TO LOOK AT WORKING WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER FOR REZONING. >> Prince: OKAY, THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: R RICCIARDELLI? >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU, MAYOR, THANK YOU, CHRISTINA, FOR THAT PRESENTATION. THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE VARIOUS FACETS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH RESPECT TO THIS ZONING CASE, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GENERALLY SUPPORTS TOD WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF LIGHT RAIL STATIONS. MY UNDERSTANDING, THOUGH, IS IT DOESN'T SUPPORT AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THE DASHBOARD STILL APPLY, SO THAT WOULD BE UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ESSENTIALLY THE OVERRIDING CONSIDERATION, RIGHT, TOD, TOD TYPE DEVELOPMENT IS FAVORED WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF LIGHT RAIL STATIONS, BUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS, WHETHER TOD, NON-TOD, ANY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF MULTI-FAMILY WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO THE DASHBOARDS, CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> Ricciardelli: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMAN SMITH? >> Smith : THANK YOU, SMITH. CHRISTINA, JUST TO BE SURE I UNDERSTAND, I WATCH THE MEETING, AND IT SEEMED LIKE OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING TURNED OUT TOD RECOMMENDATION, THE ONE REAL STICKLER WAS THE EHA2 REGULATION, AND IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, THE APPLICANT, YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED THAT, GOING ABOVE BUILDING CODES, BUT THEY WERE GOING TO UPGRADE FROM THE STANDARD 6 AIR FILTRATION SYSTEM TO AN 8, IS THAT STILL CORRECT? >> THAT IS PART OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT STIPULATION, SO THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO DO THAT UNDER THE ZONING. >> THEY ARE ENHANCING LANDSCAPING PUTTING ADDITIONAL TREES AND THINGS IN THE AREA AS WELL? >> THAT IS CORRECT. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STANDARDS ON EACH FRONTAGE FROM STREET TREES ON THE STREET TO EVERY FRONTAGE REQUIRES SOME SORT OF ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, YES, SIR. >> Smith : OKAY, DO YOU -- I MEAN, I'VE LIVED HERE 30 SOMETHING YEARS, THAT'S BEEN THERE AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER. HAS THAT EVER BEEN ANYTHING BESIDES WHAT IT IS NOW? >> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. I THINK THE LUMBERYARD HAS BEEN THERE QUITE SOME TIME AS WELL AS THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH. I BELIEVE THAT OWNERSHIP HAS NOT CHANGED AGAIN IN DECADES, BUT I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO >>mith : OKAY, ON THECISE. ONE SIDE, YOU DO HAVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX GOING, AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE, WE HAVE A -- A HOTEL. >> THERE'S A HOTEL. >> Smith : ALL RIGHT, GOOD, THANK YOU, CHRISTINA. >> Mayor Muns: THANKS, CHRISTINA. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> THE ONLY SPEAKERS WE HAVE ON THIS ITEM ARE THE APPLICANT ADAM BROWN AND CONNOR OSBOURNE. >> COME ON UP, GUYS. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ADAM BROWN AND I'M REPRESENTING THE RESIDENTIAL GROUP, SO I'M THE -- I'M THE PROPERTY DEVELOPER, WE HAVE THE PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT, SO HOPEFULLY Y WE CAN ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAD AFTER WE FINISH OUR PRESENTATION. FIRST WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR WORKING WITH US, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SITE FOR WELL OVER A YEAR NOW, SO JUST APPRECIATE THEM WORKING THROUGH AND CHECKING AS MANY BOXES AS WE COULD ALONG THE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, JUST TO START, WE'RE EXCITED, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE FROM THE PICTURE THERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT TRANSFORMING A SOUTHERN GATEWAY SITE TO PLANO, AS THIS TRANSFORMATION STARTS AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER WITH THIS SITE AND GOES NORTH AND DOWNTOWN. SO THAT EXCITES US. JUST BRIEFLY, WHO WE ARE. SO WE ARE A DFW-BASED REGIONAL MULTI-FAMILY GROUP. I RUN AND OVERSEE THE TEXAS MARKET. WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR ABOUT N-PLUS YEARS, SO WE'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 7,000 UNITS IN DFW, ABOUT 2,000 MORE IN THE PIPELINE, SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE LOCAL AND EXPERIENCED DEVELOPER THAT, YOU KNOW, REALLY PRIDE OURSELVES ON DELIVERING QUALITY PRODUCT. YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY BACK IN 2014, YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY REZONED THE PROPERTY JUST TO THE WEST, SO 190 WAS OUR PROJECT. WE CAME BEFORE THE CITY, AND REZONED THAT BACK IN 2014, SO WE KNOW THE AREA. WE KIND OF KNOW THAT POCKET. WE KNOW THE CHALLENGES AND TH POSIVES OF THAT POCKET. YOU KNOW, THAT HAS REALLY DRAWN US BACK THOUGH THIS AREA, TO THE SITE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A UNIQUE SITE, SIMILAR TO 190. WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT HERE IN A FEW MINUTES, YOU KNOW, THE GEOMETRY EASEMENTS THE CHALLENGES, YOU KNOW, FOR OTHER USES THAT REALLY MAKE -- MAKE, YOU KNOW, GREAT USE OF LAND FOR MULTI-FAMILY, WE CAN REALLY MOLD AROUND DIFFERENT CHALLENGES. THAT'S AN OLD -- LET ME FLIP FORWARD. THIS IS THE OLD PRESENTATION. ANYWAY, WE CAN- WCAN SKIP THOSE, SO THE MAP HERE, I WANT TO JUST GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT, OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE THE SITE IS. YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN RED, OBVIOUSLY THERE TO THE WEST IS 190, THE PROJECT I WAS MENTIONING WE DEVELOPED AND BUILT BACK IN 2016. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT TOD, YOU'RE A FOUR-MINUTE WALK TO THE SOUTH, TO THE RICHARDSON STOP, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE A TEN-MINUTE WALK TO THE NORTH, TO NEW 12th STREET STATION, AND OBVIOUSLY EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THE SILVER LINE THAT IS ALSO BEING CONSTRUCTED, THAT IS ANOTHER NODE OF TRANSPORTATION THAT REALLY LENDS ITSELF TO BEING A TOD SITE. YOU KNOW, YOU ALSO NOTE HERE THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL ALONG THE DART WHICH IS ON OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, SO AS STAFF MENTIONED, WE'LL IS HAVE A DIRECT CONNECTION TO THAT, SO PEOPLE CAN GO NORTH AND SOUTH, AS A FOCUS OF THE CITY, YOU WANT TO GET PEOPLE OUT AND ABOUT AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL, AND JUST THE TRANSPORTATION THAT IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO U THAT. ONE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT HERE, JUST FROM A LAND PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, AT LEAST HOW I LOOK AT IT AS A DEVELOPER, IF YOU LOOK AT A MAP, LOOKING AT 190, REALLY FOCUS THESE MULTI-FAMILY USES IN THE INNER CORE, YOU KNOW, NEXT TO THESE TRANSPORTATION -- TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS, AND THEN AS YOU GO EAST AND WEST, AS YOU GET BACK TO THE, YOU KNOW, 75, AVENUE K, REALLY THE ROADS MOVING PEOPLE NORTH AND SOUTH THROUGH THE AREA, THAT'S REALLY WHERE I WOULD SEE CONCENTRATION OF THE COMMERCIAL USES. IN OUR ES, WE SEE THIS AS A REALLY GREAT MULTI-FAMILY LOCATION. SO THE SITE TODAY, BRIEFLY TALKING ABOUT THIS, I THINK WE TALKED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SIX SUPs ON THE SITE TODAY, OPEN STORAGE, LUMBERYARD, INDUSTRIAL USES, I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS, ONE OF THE OWNERS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, ACTUALLY THE TWO SOUTH TRACKS, THIS IS A MULTI-PROPERTY ASSEMBLAGE, BUT THE TWO PROPERTIES ON THE SOUTH, THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN OWNED BY THE SAME FAMILY FOR, I DON'T KNOW, 60 YEARS, THEY BUILT THOSE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE EXCITED, THE ONLY REALLY FEEDBACK THEY'VE GOTTEN OVER THE YEARS IS MULTI-FAMILY, THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THIS TRANSFORMATION USE GIVEN THE HISTORY ON THE SITE. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT SHE MENTIONED WITH THE SITE, THE SITE IS BISECTED RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, SO IT REALLY CHALLENGES IT TO DEVELOP THE SITE AS A WHOLE, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO BREAK THE BUILDING UP INTO TWO BUILDINGS, REALLY CREATE THAT PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE THROUGH THERE AND USE IT AS AN ADVANTAGE INSTEAD OF A DISADVANTAGE. THEN THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, I MAY -- IT'S ACTUALLY ON THE NEW SLIDE, BUT THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH THAT SOMEBODY HAS MENTIONED, THERE'S THREE EASEMENTS TO BISECT IT, WE'VE STUDIED IT TOO, I GUESS IT COULD BE DEVELOPED, I THINK THERE'S ABOUT POINT 2 ACRES THAT YOU CAN DEVELOP IN THE CENTER OF THE TRIANGLE, GIVEN ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GOING ON, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT WILL BE A NEGATIVE U -- USE GOING FORWARD, WE HAVE ADDRESSED THAT WITH LANDSCAPING ON THAT SIDE. THEN WE'LL GO MORE SPECIFIC TO OUR PLAN AND ADDRESS A FEW OF THE ISSUES WITH EHA AND KIND OF SEE HOW OUR SITE HAS DEVELOPED, ON THE EAST SIDE ALONG JPI, AS SHE MENTIONED, WE HAVE PARALLEL PARKING, 7-FOOT SIDEWALK, REALLY ANOTHER PEDESTRIAN WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET NORTH AND SOUTH TO DOWNTOWN, TO SOUTH, JUST LIKE THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL ON THE WEST SIDE. AS SHE MENTIONED, OUR GARAGE IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, TO MITIGATE NOISE FROM 190, AND ALSO THE SOUTH -- WHAT I'M CALLING THE SOUTH BLOCK, SO SOUTH OF TTASEMENT, ERE ARE NO BALCONIES FACING EAST, WEST, OR INSIDE THE COURTYARD, ALL BALCONIES ARE ON THE NORTH BUILDING, ARE FACING NORTH ON THAT B BLOCK. SO THAT GIVES YOU A LITTLE IDEA HOW WE'RE MITIGATING THE NOISE ISSUES. AND JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A POINT OF REFERENCE, WE'RE STILL OWNERS IN THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR, YOU KNOW, WE'VE OWNED IT SINCE 2006, WHEN WE'VE OPENED IT, WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH ANY NOISE COMPLAINTS OR LIVABILITY OR ANYTHING, SO THAT IS JUST KIND OF A POINT TO MAKE THERE. AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ON HERE GRAPHICALLY SHOWN, BUT THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH END. AND JUST OUR LAST SLIDE HERE, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE THINK, YOU KNOW, A RHEE DEVELOPMENT MAKES SENSE HERE, NO SINGLE FAMILY ADJACENCY, YOU KNOW, THE SOUTHERN GATEWAY I MENTIONED, THEY WERE GREAT USES 60 YEARS AGO, BUT TODAY THERE'S A BETTER USE FOR THAT GATEWAY, WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO SEE FROM THE CORRIDOR, GOING INTO DOWNTOWN WITH ALL THE NEW TRANSIT, AND THE SITE CONSTRAINTS, AS WE MENTIONED, THERE'S A LOT OF SITE CONSTRAINTS, YOU KNOW, THE BEAUTY ABOUT MULTI-FAMILY, WE CAN WORK AROUND THOSE ITEMS. YOU KNOW, WE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, JUST AN ASSEMBLAGE, JUST A LOT OF COMPLEXITY, BUT CONNOR, YOU WANT TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COM PLANT HERE? >> GOOD EVENING, CONNOR OSBOURNE WITH TRINSIC AS WELL. SO OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS WE'VE REALLY WORKED HARD WITH STAFF TO TAILOR THAT PD THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE, AND WE'VE REALLY TRIED HARD TO INCORPORATE EVERY SUGGESTION AND DESIRE OF STAFF SO THAT WE CAN CHECK AS MANY COMP PLAN BOXES AS POSSIBLE TO DISTILL IT DOWN. THIS IS A SLIGHTLY DATED SLIDE, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT THERE'S REALLY THREE THINGS THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLEO MEETHAT THE COMP PLAN ASKED OF US, AND ONE OF THOSE IS THE TOD DESIGNATION. WE'LL SPEAK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. BUT THE PRIMARY ONE IS THE MIX OF USES, REALLY THE HOUSING MIX OF USES IN THE COMP PLAN. THE COMP PLAN FORESEES THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR BEING 90% MULTI-FAMILY AND 10% SINGLE FAMILY, THAT'S THE HIGHEST MULTI-FAMILY CONCENTRATION OF ANY FUTURE LAND USE DISTRICT IN THE COMP PLAN, IT MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR IS THE MOST URBAN DISTRICT IN PLANO, SO IT'S GOING TO -- GOING TO RECEI MOR MULTI-FAMILY INTEREST, SERVED BY FOUR TRANSIT STOPS, SO WE THINK -- WE THINK IT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE FOR GIVEN THE ABILITY TO KIND OF CLEANUP THIS PART OF THE BLOCK TO ACTUALLY EXCEED THE 90% IN THIS CASE. I WOULD SAY LASTLY, WE HOPE TO SEE MORE SINGLE FAMILY DELIVERED HERE, BUT I THINK IT WILL BE SMALL BITES HERE, KIND OF A CREATIVE TOWN HOME DEVELOPMENT OR CUSTOM HOME HERE AND THERE, BUT THE MIX WILL CONTINUE TO BE PROBABLY MORE MULTI-FAMILY AS WE DELIVER 300 UNITS IN BIGGER CHUNKS, SO TT'S THE MIX OF USES. THE STHE SECOND ITEM WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FULLY MEET IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, EHA2. WE'RE CLOSE TO THE HIGHWAY, WE'RE CLOSE TO TRANSIT, WE VIEW THAT FOR A POSIT FOR THIS SITE TO GET PEOPLE WHERE THEY NEED TO GO QUICKLY, I THINK RESIDENTS WILL APPRECIATE THAT. IT WASN'T PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT NEXT DOOR. WE'RE LEANING ON STAFF'S DIRECTION IN A BIG WAY HERE TO DESIGN THROUGH THOSE MITIGATION MEASURES, SO ADAM TALKED ABOUT PUTTING OUR GARAGE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THAT INOT AN IAL LOCATION FOR IT, BUT IT BLOCKS A LOT OF NOISE, IT'S HELPFUL TO OUR RESIDENTS, WE STRIPPED OFF THE BALCONIES ON THE SOUTHERN BUILDING AND HAVE DONE SOME THINGS WITH AIR FILTRATION TO MAKE THIS A MORE LIVEABLE SITE. AND THEN THE THIRD -- REALLY THE THIRD ITEM THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN DETAIL WAS THE DENSITY OF THIS PROJECT. SO WE'RE SITTING AT 65 UNITS PER ACRE. IF YOU DON'T -- IF YOU DON'T CONSIDER THIS TOD, THEN WE'RE ABOVE THE RECOMMENDED DIDN'T AT THIS, IF YOU DO, THAT WOULD BUMP US UP TO 10 UNITS PER ACRE CAP AND WE WOULD . P&Z FELT IT WAS A TOD SITE BECAUSE RICHARDSON AND PLANO KIND OF SHARE THAT STOP DOWN AT CITY LINE BUSH, AND A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS ACTUALLY WALK DOWN THERE, SO WE VIEW IT AS AN INTEGRAL PART OF KIND OF THE TRANSIT CORRIDOR THROUGHOUT THIS AREA. AND WE'D ASK THAT COUNCIL ALSO VIEW IT AS TOD TO KIND OF REMOVE THAT -- THAT ITEM. AND THEN ULTIMATELY, WE'RE ASKING COUNCIL TO VIEW THIS REZONING REQUEST THROU TWO LENSES, ONE BEING THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, WHICH WE BELIEVE OUR PLAN IS ALIGNED WITH PLANO TODAY, PLANO 2050, AND PLANO TOGETHER, AND THEN TWO, THE OTHER LENS IS THIS REQUEST, THIS ZONING DECISION SUBSTANTIALLY BENEFICIAL TO THE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC INTEREST. OUR MEDIA NEIGHBORS ON THE EAST AND WEST, THE HOTEL IS IN FULL SUPPORT OF US, THE CONTROLLING PARTNER, IN 190 HAS SENT A LETTER, EVEN THOUGH WE'LL NOW BE COMPETING WITH THEM WITH MORE MULTI-FAMILY, THEY'RE EAGER TO SEE THE SPECIAL USE PERMITS REMOVED AND THE AREA CLEANED UP, KIND OF BE A BETTER NEIGHBOR FOR THOSE PROJECTS, AND THEN SECONDLY, OUR PROJECT IS BENEFICIAL TO THE SURROUNDING DOWNTOWN PLANO COMMUNITY. THERE'S MANY BUSINESS OWNERS EAGER FOR MORE RESIDENTS TO SUSTAIN AND GROW THEIR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES AS THIS PORTION OF THE CITY TRANSITIONS AWAY FROM ITS MORE INDUSTRIAL PAST INTO SOMETHING MORE LIVEABLE, AND LASTLY, THE GENERAL PUBLIC BENEFITS FROM A PROPOSAL BY HAVING A NEW INVITING SOUTHERN GATEWAY, AND MORE WALKABLE HOUSING OIONS, THOSE ARE SOMEWHAT LIMITED IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW. HERE IS THE TWO SUPPORT LETTERS FROM THE HOTEL ON THE LEFT AND THEN THE CONTROLLING PARTNER IN 190 ON THE RIGHT. AND THEN LASTLY, IN CLOSING, BEFORE WE GET TO ANY QUESTIONS, I KNOW I DROVE PAST IT ON THE WAY, DART SILVER LINE STATION IS MAKING PROGRESS RIGHT THERE, IT'S EXCITING TO SEE. I KNOW P&Z ARE STUDYING THOSE AREAS AROUND THOSE STATIONS AND REALLYHE WHOLE CORRIDOR TOGETHER TO SEE WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR MAYBE ADDING MORE DENSITY AROUND THERE, LOOKING AT MORE ZONING EFFORTS, SO WE'RE A LITTLE AHEAD OF THAT PROCESS, I THINK THIS IS REALLY AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COUNCIL TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF A POSITIVE REDEVELOPMENT AT A REALLY WHAT'S CURRENTLY KIND OF A BLIGHTED SITE AT A HIGHLY VISIBLE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY TO THE CITY, DOING SO WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT STEP TOWARD REALIZING THE VISIT FOR A MORE ACCESSIBLE, WALKABLE, AND UNIFIED DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME,. >> Mayor Muns: APPRECIATE IT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MAYOR PRO TEM? >> Prince: SO YOU MENTIONED MOVING ALL THE BALCONIES TO THE NORTH, SO ON THAT FARTHEST NORTH SIDE, WILL THERE BE BALCONIES OVERLOOKING THE MINOR VEHICLE REPAIR SHOP ON THE NORTHSIDE. >> ON THE NORTHSIDE THERE WILL BE BALCONIES ON THAT SIDE. >> Prince: OKAY. >> I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER -- WE'VE GOT LANDSCAPING ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WE'VE GOT PARKING, WE'VE GOT THE FIRE LANE, WE HAVE THE TEN FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER, I THINK WE'RE BACK, I DON'T KNOW DO YOU MEMB, H MANY FEET? I DON'T THINK IT'S 300, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NORTHSIDE? I THINK WE'RE ABOUT 65 FEET FROM THE NORTH SIDE WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BUFFER -- IF YOU'RE LOOKING NORTH TO SOUTH ON THE SITE PLAN, YOU HAVE THE TEN FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER, YOU HAVE THE PARK IN SOME SPOTS, 18 TO 20 FEET, YOU HAVE THE FIRE LANE, 24 FEET, AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER 10-FOOT BUFFER WITH SIDEWALK AND PLANNING -- NORTH SIDE WILL HAVE BALCONIES. NOTE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PN, THE YLOW IS OUR PLANNED AMENITY AREAS, SO, YOU KNOW, 50% OF THAT NORTH SIDE WILL BE AMENITY AREAS AND NOT NECESSARILY SOMEBODY'S BALCONY, SO THAT WILL BE MITIGATED, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THAT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THOSE ITEMS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. THANK YOU, GUYS, APPRECIATE IT. VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER -- ALL RIGHT. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> SORRY. >> GO AHEAD, MAYOR PRO TEM. >> WELL, I THINK THIS AREA OF PLANO REALLY NEEDS SOME REVITALIZATION, AND SO I THINK IT'S GREAT TO SEE THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME IN AND REVITALIZE IT, SO I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS REQUEST, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Mayor Muns: HOLD ON, I KNOW. I'LL SECOND IT FOR THE PURPOSE OFEEPING IT MOVI. LET ME -- LET ME HAVE ANTHONY'S GOT A QUESTION. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU MAYOR. I WAS GOING TO MAKE MY COMMENTS, FIRST OF ALL, SAY THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT FOR PUTTING SO MUCH THOUGHT INTO THE APPLICATION, AND FOR WORKING WITH THE STAFF ON ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE, PARTICULARLY ENVIRONMENTAL MITIGATION AND LOOKING AT ALL OF THE FACTORS UNDER THE COMP PLAN. I DO THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PLUSES HERE, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HIGHLIGHT THAT WITH SCHOOLS IN THIS AREA, UNDER CAPACITY, THIS WOULD CERTAINLY BE A PLUS FOR THE HOOL YOU KNOW, I THINK ALSO THE LOCATION, PARTICULARLY THE TOD DEVELOPMENT, AND THE REDEVELOPMENT THAT THE MAYOR PRO TEM HIGHLIGHTED, THOSE ARE -- THOSE ARE POSITIVES. YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC OBVIOUSLY WOULD INCREASE SOMEWHAT, THAT IS A NEGATIVE, NOT THE MOST SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IN MY ANALYSIS. AS I LOOKED AT THIS, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE KEY FACTOR TO ME IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT DOESN'T MEET THE DASHBOARDS, FOR ME SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD MAKE FINDINGS ABOUT, THS IS THE REASON TO DEVIATE FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A CRITICAL, YOU KNOW REDEVELOPMENT. I VIEW IT AS A BENEFICIAL REDEVELOPMENT CERTAINLY BUT I DON'T VIEW IT AS A CRITICAL REDEVELOPMENT, THE EXISTING USES MAY NOT BE THE MOST FLASHY, BUT THEY'RE NOT ESPECIALLY PERNICIOUS OR RAPIDLY DETERIORATING LIKE WE HAVE IN OTHER AREAS WHERE WE'VE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND TO DEVIATE FROM THE COMP PLAN TO SUPPORT REDELOPMT. AND I DO THINK THERE ARE POTENTIALLY OTHER USES, MAYBE INDUSTRIAL USES, THERE COULD BE AN AMAZON, YOU KNOW, SMALL DISTRIBUTION WAREHOUSE, OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME OTHER TYPE OF TECHNOLOGICAL USE HERE, BUT ANYWAY, I LOOK ALSO AT THE FACT THAT WE'RE ALREADY MORE THAN THE 2,000 UNITS THAT I THINK WERE ENVISIONED BY THE DOWNTOWN VISION BACK IN 1999, AND, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO THINK OF MY VOTE ON THE FIRST BAPTIST CASE WHERE IT WAS THE SAME DEAL, YOU KNOW, KIND OF JUST A REDEVELOPMENT AT BNGS MULTI-FAMILY WITHOUT A MIX OF USES, I VOTED NO ON THAT, SO I'LL STAY CONSISTENT, BUT THIS CLOSING, I WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS REALLY IMPORTANT, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAS FLEXIBILITY, WE'VE ALREADY USED THAT FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE FINDINGS, BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES MATTER, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M CONCERNED THAT WE MIGHT MAKE IT TOO ROUTINE TO MAKE FINDINGS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO DEVIATE FROM THE DASHBOARDS FOR THIS REASON. FOR THA REASON, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THIS AND IT'S MARKET RATE, SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY MAKING THE LEVEL OF IMPACT ON HOUSING AFFORDABILITY THAT THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE MADE FINDINGS DID, AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HIGHLIGHT EVEN AFTER ALL OF THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU GUYS DID WITH THE STAFF THAT I APPRECIATE, THE STAFF REPORT STILL SAYS THERE'S SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES POSED BY MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND SUMS UP A LIST OF THOSE CHALLENGES BY SAYING DUE TO THE ISSUES ABOVE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE, SO WHILE I APPRECIATE HOW HARD Y'ALL HAVE WORKED WITH THE STAFF A ALL OF THE PLUS, I THINK ULTIMATELY I WOULD GO BACK TO THE STATEMENT THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS NOT APPROPRIATE REALLY FOR RESIDENTIAL USE, AND -- AND ALSO THE DASHBOARDS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SO I WILL HAVE TO VOTE MAYOR. >> Mayor Muns: DEPUTY MAYOR. .>> I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI, I THINK EAST PLANO HAS WAITED 30 SOMETHING YEARS FOR SOMETHING TO BE DEVELOPED IN THAT AREA, SOMETHING THAT PASSED OUR PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD WHICH THEY AGREED THAT IT IS CRUCIAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND FOR TOD REASONS THEY HAVE APPROVED. I ALSO -- I JUST HAVE A COMMENT, BECAUSE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS -- IS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF A VERY VISIBLE HIGHWAY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT SOME HEART AND SOME PASSION BE PUT INTO IT SO THAT WHATEVER IS ULTIMATELY DEVELOPED THERE WOULD REPRESENT THE CITY OF PLANO. JUST BECAUSE THERE IS A HIGH DEMAND RIGHT NOW FOR RENTAL PROPERTIES, DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO HURRY IT UP AND GET SOMETHING SLAPPED TOGETHER AND PUT UP LIKE A BARRACK IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE IN QUICKLY. I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY THE MORE CARE AND DETAILS THAT YOU PUT INTO SOME TYPE OF BUILDING THAT WILL REPRESENT PLANO AND HAVING PEOPLE WHO ARE DRIVING BY IN THE HIGHWAY AREA SEE THAT THERE'S A VERY REPRESENTATIVE OF PLANO WOULD REALLY ULTIMATELY HELP YOU AND HELP PLANO IN ENCOURAGING MORE OF THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. SO I HOPE THAT YOU WILL NOT BE THE - THE CAUSE OF OUR DEVIATING FROM OUR FINDINGS RATHER BUT A -- SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY INSTIGATES US FROM STARTING TO SEE MORE OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD HAPPEN AROUND THAT AREA. SO I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THIS TYPE OF DEVIATION FROM OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND I ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO DEVELOP EAST PLANO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH? COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER? >> Holmer: I'LL EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THIS AREA. I THOUGHT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WERE VERY THOUGHTFUL IN THEIR EVALUATION HARD OF HEARING THIS PROJECT, AND I AGREED WITH ALL OF THE -- THEIR FINDINGS, DEFINITELY AS A TOD AREA. I THINK THI DEVELOPMENT IS MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW. IT WILL PRESENT A BETTER GATEWAY TO PLANO, REPRESENT PLANO BETTER. IT'S DEFINITELY EASY ACCESS TO TRANSIT, IT'S PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. I LOVE THAT IT'S EASY ACCESS TO THE PARKS AND THE TRAILS, SO I APPRECIATE ALL THE THOUGHT THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO MAKING THIS SOMETHING THAT WILL MAKE THE ENTRANCE INTO PLANO MORE WELCOMING AND I'M SUPPORTIVE AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I ALSO, I WATCHED THE WHOLE P&Z MEETING, AND I THINK EVERYTHING WE KNOW, THIS DOES FIT IN THE TRANSIT-ORIENTED DESIGN. IF ANYTHING DOES. AS I SAY, I LIVED HERE WELL OVER 30 YEARS, NO OFFENSE TO THE EXISTING OWNERS, BUT THIS HAS BEEN A BLIGHT FOR THAT WHOLE TIME. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST WAIT SOMETHING WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE, WHAT'S GOING TO GO THERE, HOTEL HERE, PARK THERE, NOTHING. SO I THINK THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A REPUTABLE GROUP COMING IN THAT HAS EXPERIENCE DOING THIS TYPE OF PROJE IS WILLING TO MAKE THE INVESTMENT THERE IS GOING TO BE A BENEFIT, WILL GIVE ADDITIONAL HOUSING IN AN AREA WHERE IT'S NOT, AS YOU SAID, IN RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY BACK YARDS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IS VERY GOOD, AND IT WILL FIT IN I BELIEVE WITH THE SURROUNDINGS. ONE THING I WOULD AMPLIFY THAT DEPUTY MAYOR MENTIOND, DO PUT SOME IMAGINATION IN IT. I KNOW YOU'VE ALREADY GOT RENDERINGS AND EVERYTHING PUT, BUT THIS IS AN ENTRY POINT TO THE CITY. DON'T DO THE BERLIN BOX APARTMENTS THAT YOU SEE GOING UP AND DOWN, YOU KNOW, 75, DO SOMETHING WITH A LITTLE STYLE TO IT. YOU KNOW, THAT WILL BE THE BIGGEST PLUS YOU CAN DO FOR US IS MAKE IT WELCOMING AND ATTRACTIVE, YOU KNOW, TO THIS PART OF TOWN, BECAUSE I THINK THIS HOPEFULLY WILL ALSO STIMULATE FURTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. SO I DON'T THINK THE NEIGHBORS ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING OUT THEIR BALCONY, AUTO, OR LIKE LITTLE MINI WAREHOUSE KIND OF BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, FOR MUCH LONGER, I THINK THIS WILL BE THE IMPETUSO GE THE DEVELOPMENT GOING, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT ALSO. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER GRADY. >> Grady: I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS ALL THE WAY AROUND FROM MY PEERS. LONG BEFORE THE LAND BETWEEN PLANO AND RICHARDSON WAS BISECTED BY 190, THIS WAS BASICALLY THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TRACKS IN A PLACE WHERE YOU WOULD FIND COTTON MILLS AND CORN GINS AND, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS OF INDUSTRIAL THINGS THAT WOULD GO ON ALONGSIDE THE RAILROAD TRACKS. AND SINCE THEN, IT HASN'T REALLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GROW UP FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. THE ENTIRE LANDSCAPE THROUGH HERE HAS CHANGED. CERTAINLY WE CAN SEE THAT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 190, IN THE NORTHERN PART OF RICHARDSON, WHERE CITY LINE IS THERE, STATE FARM IS THERE. AND THEY'VE BUILT UP A VERY NICE COMMUNITY RIGHT AT THAT INTERSECTION, AND I THINK THAT THAT WE GI THIS -- BEGINS O COMPLEMENT THAT IN THE PLANO AREA. BEING SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY LIVED IN BARRACKS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, I CAN TELL YOU THAT NO ONE, NO ONE EXCEPT THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT CAN BUILD SOMETHING AS UGLY AND NONFUNCTIONAL AS A BARRACKS. [ LAUGHTER ] AND I DON'T THINK THEY COULD EVEN GET CLOSE TO DOING THAT ON THIS SITE. SO I HAVE NO FEAR THAT ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT HERE WOULD BE CERTAINLY BETTER THAN WHAT IS ALREADY THERE. AND SO I AM FULLY IN FAVOR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. YEAH, NO, THE -- [ INDISTINCT CHATTER ] I HAVE EVERY REASON TO BELIEVE IT. THIS IS DEFINITELY A TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, THE PROXIMITY TO THE RICHARDSON STATION IS REASON ENOUGH FOR THOSE FINDINGS, BUT MAINLY THE COMPLICATED SITE THAT YOU GUYS ARE CREATING, IT WAS GOING TO BE SO HARD FOR ANYBODY TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT BIG EASEMENT THAT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AND YOU GUYS CAME UP WITH A GREAT IDEA AND THIS HAS BEEN AN EYE SORE FOR A LONG TIME. I'M SORRY IF ANY OF THE OWNERS ARE HERE, I APOLOGIZE, BUT LET'S -- LET'S CALL IT WHAT IT IS. IT HAS BEEN A -- THIS IS A WELCOME OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO MAKE DOWNTOWN PLANO JUST A REALLY GREAT PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND ENJOY AND LIVE THAT WE KNOW THAT A -- THE COMPLEX TO THE NORTH OF YOU, BY THE TOLL BROTHERS, FILLED UP IA MONTH, AND SO I KNOW THE DEMAND IS THERE, AND WE'RE HAVING BUSINESSES COME AND GROW ALL THROUGHOUT PART OF DOWNTOWN NORTH SOUTH EAST AND WEST, AND SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO EXPAND DOWNTOWN AND TO MAKE IT REALLY JUST A GREAT PLACE FOR VISITORS AS WELL AS RESIDENTS. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 2. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 6-1 WITH ONE ABSTENTION. [ INDISTINCT CHATTER ] I THINK I SAID IT RIGHT. >> YEAH, YOU DID. >> Mayor Muns: YEAH, SHELBY ABSTAINED. YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE -- WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS TO FILL OUT OUR FINDINGS. ♪ >> NUMBER 3, CONSIDERATION TO RENAME OAK POINT NATURE PARK -- OAK POINT PARK NATURE AND RETREAT CENTER. [ LAUGHER ] 5901 LOS RIOS BOULEVARD, PLANO TEXAS TO THE NATURE AND RETREAT CENTER AT OAK POINT PARK. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M RON SMITH, YOUR PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THIS STAFF-RECOMMENDED NAME CHANGE OF THIS FACILITY. >> Mayor Muns: DO YOU WANT TO WORD SMITH THIS ITEM? [ OFF MIC ] >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Ricciardelli: SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE NAME CHANGE TO WHAT IT SAYS RIGHT THERE, TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3, PLEASE VOTE. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. THAT WAS A SOFTBALL ITEM RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM? >> ITEM NUMBER 4, FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND SECTION 3 OF ORDINANCE 2003-6-3, SECTION 1, OF ORDINANCE 2008-4-42, SECTION 1 OF ORDINANCE 2015-10-17, AND SECTION 1 OF ORDINANCE 2019-11-15. SO EXTEND THE NONEXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE GRANTED TO DENTON COUNTY ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE, INC. DOING BUSINESS AS COSERVE ELECTRIC, A TEXAS ELECTIVE COOPERATIVE CORPORATION TO USE PRESENT AND FUTURE STREETS, AVENUES, ALLEYS ROADS HIGHWAYS EASEMENTS AND OTHER PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY TEXAS FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONSTRUCTING AND OPERATING AN ELECTRIC DISTRIBUTION CENTER IN THE CITY OF PLANO AND PROVIDING A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLIC CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> WELL, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, ANDREW FORTUNE, DIRECTOR OF POLICY GOVERNMENT RELATIONS, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST READING OF OUR ORDINANCE TO EXTEND OUR COSERVE ELECTRIC FRANCHISE AGREEMENT, AND WE'RE LOOKING TO EXTEND IT FOR THE PERIOD OF ONE YEAR WHILE WE CONTINUE TO NEGOTIATE THE TERMS OF THOSE -- THAT AGREEMENT, SO FAIRLY ROUTINE, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. >> Mayor Muns: ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANDREW? THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE ACTION, SO THIS IS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW KIND OF WHERE THE PROCESS IS AND WHERE IT'S GOING. ALL RIGHT. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 5. >> ITEM NUMBER 5, CONSIDERATION OF A RESOLUTION TO REPEAL RESOLUTION 2023- (R) AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT, ALLOWING PLANO PARTICIPATION IN FUNDING FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS AND PROVIDING A REPEALER CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS ITEM HAS COME BEFORE YOU BEFORE AND IT WAS TABLED DUE TO SOME OF THE LANGUAGE WITHIN THE ILA. AFTER GOING BACK AND TALKING WITH DART, DART IS UNWILLING TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE WITHIN THE ILA, NOT IRA, ILA DUE TO SOME SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS TOWARD SOME OTHER CHALLENGES THAT DART HAS FACED ON SOME PROJECT COST AND THINGS OF SO IN LOOKING AT THIS DOLLAR AMOUNT, WHICH IS JUST OVER $28 MILLION, THE CITY HAS A COUPLE OF WAYS TO BE ABLE TO MITIGATE THE IMPACTS OF THE ILA. THE FIRST ONE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY HAS THE FINANCIAL FLEXIBILITY TO GET OUT OF THE ILA AT ANY GIVEN TIME, INSTEAD OF CAPTURING AND BUDGETING FOR THE BUDGETARY IMPACTS THAT MIGHT BE CREATED BY THIS $28.4 MILLION, MY RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL IS THAT WE TREAT IT STRICTLY AS A REIMBURSEMENT BUT DO NOT CHANGE OUR BUDGETARY APPROACH TO FUNDING THESE PROJECTS, IF THERE IS A NEED TO GET OUT OF THE ILA AT ANY GIVEN TIME WE CAN DO SO WITHOUT IMPACTING PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE ON GOING THAT CAN MEET THE CRY TIER OUTLINED WITHIN THE ILA. THE SECOND ASPECT IS I HAVE ASKED STAFF TO SHIFT GEARS AS FAST AS POSSIBLE INTO FIFTH GEAR AND SEE HOW FAST WE CAN BURN THROUGH THE MONEY SO WE CAN GET TO THE OTHER END OF THE ILA AS FAST AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE, WITH THOSE TWO ASPECTS OF MITIGATION, I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY CAN CONTINUE TO RETAIN A CERTAIN LEVEL OF CONTROL WITHIN HOW WE'RE MANAGING THIS, AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RECAPTURE AS MUCH OF THE SALES TAX THAT WE GENERATED FROM PLANO COMING BACK TO PLANO AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, SO THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION. >> Mayor Muns: THANKS. THIS IS OUR MONEY, AND I APPRECIATE BEING EXPEDIENT ABOUT MOVING ALONG WITH IT, MAKING SURE OUR BOARD MEMBERS, PAUL WAGEMAN AND NATHAN BARBERA HAVE ASSURED US THEY WILL MONITOR IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE ACCESS TO THE FUNDS, SO U H A QUESTION, OR A COMMENT -- >> Smith : YEAH, JUST A QUICK QUALIFYING QUESTION. IN A NUTSHELL, WE GET MONEY BACK FROM DART, WE HAVE TO SPEND IT QUICKLY TO BE SURE THAT WE GET ALL THE FUNDS? >> YES. >> Smith : I'M IN. >> Tu: WHAT -- >> Mayor Muns: HOLD ON. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. >> Williams: THANK YOU. SO THE BIG HANGUP I HAVE ON THIS ILA IS THE UNCHANGED LANGUAGE WHICH SAYS CITY AGREES TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH DART EMPLOYEES AND CONTRACTORS AND EMPLOY ITS BEST EFFORT TO ASSIST DART IN ACHIEVING ITS GOALS. COULD OUR CURRENT EFFORTS IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE BE CONSTRUED A VIOLATION OF THIS ILA? >> SO, COUNCILMAN, PART OF THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS ILA IS IT'S HEAVILY WEIGHTED TOWARD DART'S INTERPRETATION OF THINGS, BUT THIS TALKING WITH DART, IN TALKING WITH OUR BOARD MEMBERS, WE'VE BEEN REASSURED THAT THAT SHOULD NOT BE THE CASE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE PROMISES ON THEIR BEHF. >> Williams: THEY'VE SAID MANY THINGS OVER THE YEARS. >> SO I WOULD SAY WE'RE WORKING IN GOOD FAITH THAT THAT WOULD BE THE CASE, THAT WE WOULD NOT BE LIMITED IN OUR ABILITY TO WORK WITH THE LEGISLATURE TO CURE ISSUES THAT WE SEE FROM A STATUTORY PERSPECTIVE, SO THAT IS OUR INTENT. >> Williams: I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE POSITING HERE IS THAT FOR ALL THE PROJECTS HERE, WE PROGRAMMED THESE AS THOUGH WE WERE NOT GOING TO BE RECEIVING ANY REIMBURSEMENT, THEY'RE OUR OWN PROJECTS, SAME AS WE WOULD PUT THEM IN THE CIT, AND THEN MOVE ON THEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, SUBMIT FOR ANY REIMBURSEMENT, ANY REIMBURSEMENT WE GET WE CONSIDER A WIN FALL? >> Mayor Muns: YES, MAYOR PRO TEM, ARE YOU DONE? COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI. >> Ricciardelli: JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS. FIRST, WHEN WE INITIALLY CONSIDERED THIS, A NUMBER OF CITIES HAD EXPRESSED CONCERNS AND TAKING THE SAME STEP AS WE DID TO TABLE IT. DO WE KNOW HOW THOSE OTHER CITIES ARE PROCEEDING AT THIS TIME. >> THERE WERE TWO CITIES OUTSTANDING TO PASS THIS AT THIS POINT, ONE WAS PLANO, ONE WAS DALLAS. >> Ricciardelli: OKAY, AND EVERYBODY ELSE WHO EXPRESSED CONCERNS AT THAT TIME HAS MODORWA? OKAY, GOT YA'. AND ALONG THE LINES OF THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS ASKED ABOUT THINGS THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS NOT HELPING DART ACHIEVE ITS GOALS, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A SITUATION WHERE WE DID NOT USE EMINENT DOMAIN IMMEDIATELY WHEN DART REQUESTED US TO DO SO, I THINK IT PRODUCED A POSITIVE OUTCOME, DART PRODUCED ABOUT OUTCOME THAT WAS BENEFICIAL TO THE LAND OWNER AND DART, SHOULD THE SITUATION ARISE AGAIN, WOULD THAT ACTION BE CONSTRUED AS A VIOLATION O THIS AGREEMENT. >> AGAIN, COUNCILMAN, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO -- WE'RE PUTTING OUR FAITH IN RELATIONSHIP WITH DART, THAT SORT OF ACTION WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, NO, THAT WOULD NOT. >> Ricciardelli: OKAY. >> SO I THINK THAT IS -- I'LL HOLD TRUE TO THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THIS POINT, BUT I THINK HAVING THAT FLEXIBILITY TO END THE ILA AND NOT BE DEPENDENT UPON IT FINANCIALLY GIVES US THAT FLEXIBILITY TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT WE NEED TO MAKE. >> Ricciardelli: FANTASTIC, WELL I DON'T LOVE THE FACT THAT THERE WASN'T A MEET IN THE MIDDLE, BUT I DO APECIATE THE FUNDS, SO I'LL VOTE YES ON THIS. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> Grady: BEFORE I SECOND IT, I JUST WANT TO SAY THERE IS A DEFINITION OF PARTNERSHIP, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS MEETS THAT DEFINITION. BUT I WILL SECOND THIS. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 5. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8-0. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.