>>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELCOME BACK TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL. ROLL CALL PLEASE. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL CONTINUE ON WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING. ITEM NUMBER 84. A MOTION TO OPEN THE 1:30 PUBLIC HEARING. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM 84. PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. WE WILL SWEAR YOU IN. IN] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, MA'AM. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: GOOD AFTERNOON, CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. HERE ON ITEM 84. A REVIEW HEARING FOR AN ACTION DE 124-12 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 910 WEST GRAY STREET. THE PETITIONER'S NAME IS MISS CHERYL FEBRUARILE. I APOLOGIZE IF I MISPRONOUNCED YOUR NAME. SHE MADE A REQUEST TO CITY STAFF TO REDUCE THE SIDE YARD SETBACK AND FRONT YARD SETBACK. STAFF DENIED THE APPLICATION ON JANUARY 25, 2024. CITY COUNCIL, IN THE PACKET THAT HOPEFULLY YOU RECEIVED, I PROVIDED A COPY OF CODE SECTION 27-61 WHICH GOVERNS THE PROVISIONS FOR A REVIEW HEARING. ALSO, I PROVIDED STAFF IN THEIR STAFF REPORT, PROVIDED FOR YOU A COPY OF CODE SECTION 27-141 WHICH IS THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT STANDARDS. I PROVIDED SAMPLE MOTIONS AND RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR CITY COUNCIL TO USE IN ORDER TO CONDUCT THIS HEARING. THE STANDARD OF REVIEW FOR THIS MATTER IS A DE NOVO STANDARD OF VERY VIEW. DE NOVO MEANS, YOU ARE NOT LIMITED TO WHAT IS PROVIDED TO STAFF. YOU ARE OPEN TO RECEIVE NEW INFORMATION AND DOCUMENTATION OR EVIDENCE THAT WAS -- THAT CAN BE SUBMITTED THIS AFTERNOON. STAFF -- MR. DAVID HUNTER FROM THE ZONING DEPARTMENT, PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL GO OVER THE PRESENTATION FOR STAFF'S DENIAL OF THE DECISION AND OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED TO STAFF. ONCE CITY COUNCIL HEARS FROM ALL PARTIES AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, CITY COUNCIL CAN TAKE THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS. CITY COUNCIL CAN AFFIRM THE DECISION OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR WHO DENIED THE REQUEST TO WAIVE THE SPECIFIC SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY DISTRICT 27-241. OR CITY COUNCIL CAN OVERTURN THE DECISION OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DECISION AND THEREFORE WAIVE THE SPECIFIC SETBACK REDUCTION REQUESTS BY THE PETITIONER. AGAIN, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REVIEW CODE SECTION 27-61. ALSO FOR THE REVIEW HEARING AND CODE SECTION 27-60 WHICH GOVERNS THE PROCESS AND THE CRITERIA USED TO DETERMINE WHETHER TO APPROVE OR DENY A DESIGN EXCEPTION. HUNTER. , TURN IT OVER TO MR. - >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> CAN WE HAVE THEM TURN ON THE -- CAN YOU TURN ON THE POWER -- THERE YOU GO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT WILL TURN ON WHEN YOU PUT SOMETHING DOWN. THE POWERPOINT. >> MY NAME IS DAVID HUNTER, THE PLANNING AND DESIGN COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS DE 1, 4-12 FOR A THE PROPERTY AT 1910 WEST GRAY STREET. THE CURRENT ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY IS RS-50 IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY. THE APPLICANT REQUESTED A CARPORT EDITION TO THE FRONT AND SIDE OF THE PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE. NEXT SLIDE. CONTROL THE SLIDE HERE. >>BILL CARLSON: IS SOMETHING BURNING? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE SMELL SOMETHING BURNING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO CHECK IT OUT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SMELLS LIKE TOAST. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SOMETHING ELECTRICAL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT THE SIGN OF A STROKE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO. IS IT GOOD? >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY, EVERYBODY, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T ANYTHING BAD HAPPENING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE AIDES ARE SEARCHING. >> SHOULD I CONTINUE? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD. >> WE WILL STOP IF WE SEE FLAMES, I GUESS. SO AS I WAS SAYING, THIS IS -- THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RS-50 LOCATED IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY. THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP. YOU CAN SEE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND OTHER HOUSES ON THE BLOCK. I WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS FOR THAT. THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IS DETERMINED BY BLOCK AVERAGE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS COMING FROM? ALL THE WAY FROM THERE? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I KNOW WHAT IT WAS BECAUSE WHEN I COOK, THAT IS WHAT IT SNELLS LIKE. >> I AM GOING TO SAY IT WASN'T ME. SO IN WEST TAMPA, THE OVERLAY ARE -- THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IS DETERMINED BY THE BLOCK AVERAGE. YOU LOOK AT ALL THE HOUSES AND THAT IS HOW YOU DETERMINE YOUR FRONT-YARD SETBACK. THE FRONT-YARD SETBACK IS FIVE FEET. ANOTHER AERIAL SHOT. IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY, THIS IS LOOKING OVERHEAD AND ALSO SOUTH. THE WHITE ROOF STRUCTURE IS THE CARPORT IN QUESTION THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN CONSTRUCTED. YOU CAN SEE HOW IT COMES ALL THE WAY UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE. THIS IS A PHOTOGRAPH TAKEN FROM GOOGLE STREET VIEW. THERE IS A CODE CASE AGAINST THIS. AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS. YOU CAN SEE IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE AND TO THE FRONT. THIS IS THE SURVEY AND THE SITE MAP PROVIDED FOR US. THEY DON'T NECESSARILY CORRELATE TO EACH OTHER, AND SO WE LOOK AT REALLY WHAT IS THERE. AND THE SURVEY HERE. OUR STANDARD FOR REVIEW HAS BEEN INDICATED. WE LOOK AT 27-60, WHERE WE REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO REQUIRE JUSTIFICATION BASED ON THIS CRITERIA FOR APPROVAL OR DENIAL OF THAT DESIGN EXCEPTION. AND IN THIS CASE THE STAFF DETERMINED THEY DID NOT PROVIDE ADEQUATE JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT CRITERIA FOR THE REDUCTION OF THE FRONT YARD SETBACK TO ZERO AND SIDE YARD SETBACK FOR ONE FEET. THE SITE PLAN WAS NOT CLEAR AND THE JUSTIFICATION WAS NOT A ADEQUATE. SPEAKING OF THAT. THIS -- CAN WE SWITCH TO THE OVERHEAD HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE YOU GO. >> CAN YOU GUYS SEE THAT. THE LETTER OF JUSTIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT. THE BIG TAKE AWAY FROM HERE IS THAT THE APPLICANT HAD THIS BUILT BACK IN 2010. THEY DID HIRE A CONTRACTOR AND PROVIDED A COPY OF THE RECEIPT FROM THAT CONTRACT. THE CONTRACTOR DID NOT PULL THE PERMIT BACK IN 2010, SO EFFECTIVELY, IT WAS BUILT WITHOUT A PERMIT. FROM THE EYES OF THE CITY, THIS IS AS IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT IT FOR THE FIRST TIME. IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN APPROVED QUITE FRANKLY IN 2010. IF THEY CAME IN NOW, WE WILL BE AT THE SAME BOAT. ADDITIONAL PHOTOGRAPHS. THIS IS WHAT THE PROJECT LOOKS LIKE NOW A LITTLE BIT MORE C CLEAR. THE CARPORT AND HOW CLOSE IT IS RELATIVE TO THE OTHER STRUCTURES. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT WHEN THE CARPORT IS ATTACHED LIKE THIS. IT IS CONSIDERED PART OF PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE FOR FRONT, REAR AND SIDE. NOT A SEPARATE ITEM. SO IT DOES HAVE TO MEET PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE SETBACKS. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN 2009 PRIOR TO THAT. THESE ARE PICTURES TAKEN FROM -- FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE THAT IS CURRENTLY PENDING. YOU CAN SEE THE PROXIMITY TO THE SIDEWALK. THE SIDE -- -- RIGHT ON THE SIDE. A MEASURE OF ABOUT NINE INCHES TO THE POST OF THE ADJACENT FENCE. AND YOU CAN SEE HOW -- HOW CLOSE THAT IS. THERE WAS -- THERE WAS ONE NEIGHBOR THAT SUBMITTED SUPPORT FOR FOR THE CASE WHICH I AM SURE YOU SEE A COPY OF. BASICALLY THIS -- THIS HAD MORE TO DO WITH -- WITH A COMPLAINING NEIGHBOR THAT FILED THE COMPLAINT WHICH IS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY. THE OVERLAY DISTRICT. FRONT YARDS ARE DETERMINED BY BLOCK AVERAGING. AS FAR AS CAR PORTS CAN GO. IF THEY ARE ON YOUR SIDE AND PROPERLY PLACED, ONE-CAR CARPORT MAY BE PLACED WITHIN THREE FEET OF THE SITE PROPERTY LINE IF IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL LIFE SAFETY CODES. THIS IS -- THIS IS, AGAIN, A FOOT -- LESS THAN A FOOT FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE. AND WHAT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE, THIS IS NOT COMPLAINT WITH THE LIFE SAFETY CODES. I AM A REGISTERED ARCHITECT. I HAVE DONE THIS PLENTY OF TIMES. THIS IS TOO CLOSE AND IT WILL NOT PASS PERMITTING BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE ANYWAY. AND THAT IS MY PRESENTATION. I AM OPEN FOR QUESTIONS SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS? NO? YES, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE RULES IN PLACE -- IF YOU HAVE THE DATED CONTRACT, WHAT ARE THE RULES IN PLACE WHEN THAT CONTRACT WAS LET? >> THE -- IT STARTED -- OVERLAY CAME INTO PLAY IN 2004. AND WHATEVER THE -- THE CODE REQUIREMENTS AT THAT TIME -- I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS. LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY. >> THE SAME RULES THAT ARE IN PLAY. >> AMENDMENTS EFFECTIVELY YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE GO TO THE APPLICANT/PETITIONER. WHO IS THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE. COME ON UP MA'AM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HI, HOW WILL YOU, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> CHERYL GROVE FERNELL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD. >> I LIVE AT 1910 WEST GRAY STREET. THE HOME I PURCHASED IN JUNE 1980 FOR MYSELF AND MY SON. EVEN THOUGH I WAS A SINGLE MOM, I WAS ABLE TO WORK AND SAVE TO MAINTAIN UPKEEP ON OUR HOME AND MAKE ENHANCEMENT TO MY PROPERTY. IN AUGUST 2010, I CONTRACTED AND PAID ED ALUMINIUM CONSTRUCTION A LICENSED BONDED COMPANY TO BUILD A CARPORT AT MY HOME. I PROVIDED A SURVEY OF MY PROPERTY AND RELIED ON THE COMPANY TO BUILD MY CARPORT WITHIN CITY OF TAMPA GUIDELINES WHICH WOULD INCLUDE BEING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S SETBACK RULES. APRIL 21, THE -- I MEANT TO SHOW YOU -- A COPY OF THE YEAH. OKAY. FOR 2021, THE CITY OF TAMPA WIDENED THE 1900 BLOCK OF GRAY. REPLACE SEVERAL -- REPLACE SEWER PIPES AND ADD SIDEWALKS. MY DRIVEWAY WAS DUG UP AND REPLACED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA. CONTRARY TO THE RISKS REPRESENTED INFORMATION AND CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINT THAT SOMEONE FILED AGAINST ME, MY CARPORT WAS BU11 YEARS PRIOR -- OKAY, THAT IS THE COMPLAINT. OKAY. MY CARPORT WAS BUILT 11 YEARS PRIOR TO THE ROAD WIDENING SEWER REPLACEMENT WORK THAT THE CITY COMPLETED IN 2021. THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN VERY STRESSFUL STARTING WITH THE FABRICATED COMPLAINT FILED AGAINST ME WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT HAVING A COMPLETE DESIGN EXCEPTION PROCESS WHICH INCLUDED MAILING MY LETTERS TO MY COMMUNITY. PAYING FEES FOR DESIGN INSPECTION. PAYING OVER $200 AND THEN FINDING OUT AT THE 12th HOUR THAT THE DESIGN EXCEPTION WAS DENIED DUE TO BEING GIVEN THE WRONG SIGN TO POST IN MY YARD PROVIDED BY THE CITY, WHICH IT WAS ALSO STRESSED AND BE TOLD THAT I HAD TO COMPLETE THE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN DUE TO THE SIGN. BUT THANKFULLY THE MISTAKE WAS ACKNOWLEDGED AND THE ISSUE WAS SETTLED. I AM ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO GRANDFATHER AND APPROVE MY DESIGN EXCEPTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SIR, ARE YOU PART OF THE PRESENTATION? ARE YOU WITH HER? ANY QUESTION FROM COUNCILMEMBERS? NO? AT THIS TIME WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. THREE MINUTES PER PERSON UNLESS YOU ARE A SPEAKER WAIVER. IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM FOR OR AGAINST, PLEASE COME UP. AND STATE YOUR NAME. YES, MA'AM. >> MARILYN SANGER. NEIGHBORING HOUSE NEXT DOOR. 1912 WEST GRAY STREET. I AM THE INDIVIDUAL THAT FILED THE -- WHY WE ARE ALL HERE TODAY. I FILED THE COMPLAINT. MAY I PUT SOME PHOTOS ON HERE? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, GO AHE AHEAD. >> I REALIZE I HAVE THREE MINUTES SO I WILL STICK TO THE POINT AND THE PHOTOS SPEAK VERY CLEARLY. SO THE PHOTOS THAT WERE PRESENTED WERE GREAT, BUT I ALSO -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE OTHER WAY. OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS A DIFFERENT ANGLE WHICH IS EXCLUDED AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TOP EDGE OF THE -- THE EDGE -- THE EDGE OF THE CARPORT STICKS OUT FURTHER THAN THE POST THAT WAS MENTIONED. IT ACTUALLY RUNS OVER -- AS YOU CAN SEE, OVER THE FENCE. I HAVE A ANOTHER PHOTO OF ANOTHER SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ANGLE. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE. IT LITERALLY RUNS OVER THE FENCE. WHEN I PUT THAT FENCE UP, IT IS NOT ON THE PROPERTY LINE. IT IS INSIDE THE PROPERTY LINE. SO IT IS ON MY PROPERTY. THE EDGE -- THE OUTSIDE EDGE OF THE FENCE IS WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS. SO MY FENCE IS WITHIN -- SO THAT TO HELP ILLUSTRATE WHERE THE EDGE OF THIS CARPORT IS RUNNING. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PRIOR PHOTOS, AS WELL AS THIS PHOTO HERE, IT RUNS PRETTY -- PRETTY LONG LENGTH OF THE FENCE, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PHOTO HERE. MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL SEE IT. PART OF -- TWO MAIN ISSUES WE ARE HAVING. ONE WHICH IS ILLUSTRATED IN ONE OF THE PHOTOS THAT THE GENTLEMAN SHARED. THIS IS NOT AS CLEAR. THE DOWNSPOUT OF THIS GUTTER IS SHOOTING INTO MY YARD AND THIS IS THE MAIN REASON I HAVE THIS COMPLAINT. MY SIDE YARD EVERY IT RAINS GETS FLOODED AND DOESN'T JUST RAIN AND STOP AND THE WATER GOES AWAY. I AM HAVING LARGE PUDDLES SITTING IN MY YARD. IMAGINE, EVERY TIME IT RAINS. IT KILLED ALL MY GRASS. ALL I HAVE IS SAND IN MY SIDE YARD BECAUSE OF THIS. AT THE BEGINNING AS I APPROACH MISS CHERYL, I BOUGHT THOSE BENDY PLASTIC THINGS TO SEND IT DOWN THE DRIVEWAY. FOR SOME REASON, THEY KEEP GETTING REMOVED. I AM EXHAUSTED TO THE POINT I AM NOT GOING TO KEEP SPENDING MY MONEY WHEN IT KEEPS GETTING REMOVED. THE OTHER MAIN PROBLEM I AM HAVING BECAUSE IT IS SO CLOSE, WHEN THEY ARE ATTEMPTING TO -- I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE CLEANING OR WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO. THEY ARE CLIMBIG ON MY FENCE TO DO -- I MEAN -- I THINK THE PHOTO IS SELF-EXPLANATORY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM. >> I APPRECIATE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. NECK SPEAKER. YES, SIR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. MY NAME IS MICHAEL CARLSON. 1908 WEST GRAY STREET. I GUESS FIRST AND FOREMOST, REAL QUICK. THIS IS THE ACTUAL SURVEY THAT -- AND IT SHOWS -- YOU CAN HAVE A COPY BUT THE FENCE SHE IS SPEAKING ON HER PROPERTY, 1910'S PROPERTY NOT 1912 PROPERTY. SHE IS OVER THE PROPERTY LINE. AS FAR AS HISTORICAL REFERENCE AND SO ON GOES, THE RESIDENT, WHEN SHE PURCHASED HER HOME AND LOOK AT HER SURVEY. IT SHOWS THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE AND SHOWS THE CARPORT IS THERE. WHEN SHE BOUGHT HER PLACE, KNEW IT WAS THERE. ONLY BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE PERSONAL ISSUES OR, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE GOING ON BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS. SO SHE WAITED OVER A YEAR TO FILE THIS COMPLAINT AFTER THE NEIGHBOR STOPPED SPEAKING WITH HER. FIRST AND FOREMOST. IF YOU LOOK AT THE OVERLAY IN THE RULES THAT GOVERN THE ACTUAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE STREETS. WHAT IS NOT SHOWN OR DISCUSSED IS THERE IS -- THERE IS A UNIT NEXT TO MY PROPERTY THAT IS WITHIN TWO FEET OF MY PROPERTY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THREE FEET APART. AT LEAST FOUR HOMES THAT HAVE THREE FEET BETWEEN SPACE THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE FOR STRUCTURE. SO IF WE ARE GOING TO START ENFORCING SOME OF THESE DIFFERENT ITEMS, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON ON OUR STREET BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE. INCLUDING THE HOUSE LOCATED AT 1912 AND 1914. IF YOU HOOK AT THE HOUSE THERE. THE ATTORNEY WAS REFERRING EARLIER -- ABOUT THE AVERAGE OF THE SETBACK. THAT HOUSE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 37 FEET FROM THE STREET. SO THEIR HOUSE IS LIKE 35 FEET AND SOME CHANGE. HER HOUSE IS TWO FEET TOO CLOSE TO THE STREET. ALL I AM ASKING SOME VARIANCES HERE. FOR SOME REASON, SHE IS BEING SINGLED OUT. BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO ENFORCE THE RULES, I ASK THAT YOU LOOK AT -- OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF ISSUES GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE BACK SETBACK OR THE SIDE SETBACK. THESE HOMES HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. THIS CARPORT HAS BEEN THERE FOR, LIKE, 14 YEARS. THE WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE, EVEN THOUGH THAT STRUCTURE WAS TOO CLOSE TO MY PROPERTY. I KNEW IT WHEN I BOUGHT IT. IT WAS ON THE SURVEY. I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT TO BE MOVED AND ANYTHING TO BE DON WITH IT. TAKE THE SAME STANCE THAT SHE KNEW WHEN SHE BOUGHT THE HOUSE IT WAS ON THE SURVEY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. YES, MA'AM. >> I AM CONNIE BURTON. OF COURSE I AM NOT AN EXPERT IN ANY OF IT. THE ONE THING I WANT TO SAY IS I NKNOW SHE WAS WORKED YEARS AGO T HONEYWELL AND A POINT OF PRIDE WHEN WORKING-CLASS WOMEN AFTER WORKING 12, 15 HOURS A WEEK WOULD GO INTO HOMEOWNERSHIP. THAT MEANT A LOT TO A LOT OF THE WOMEN WORKING AT HONEYWELL AT THAT TIME. I AM LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, NOW WE HAVE THESE BIG HUGE STRUCTURES OF A HOME COMING INTO ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS. AND WHAT SEEMED TO BE MISS SOMETHING THAT GOOD NEIGHBOR QUALITY. THAT NOW THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 20-PLUS YEARS. WHEN CITY STAFF, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND WHOMEVER AND WHY THEY WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO THE MINUTE DETAILS, NOW IT BECOMES A BIG ISSUE. THE HUGE HOMES ARE REALLY A BIG, BIG ISSUE TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY FIT INTO THIS COMMUNITY THAT IS ALREADY ESTABLISHED. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WILL HOPE YOU WOULD SET THE TONE OF HOW WE CAN HAVE A GOOD NEIGHBOR BY NEIGHBOR POLICY. YOU CAN'T MAKE ME LIKE YOU, BUT FOR 14 YEARS I HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED 20-PLUS YEARS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND GOOD FAITH MOVED TOWARD ESTABLISHING THE UPKEEP OF MY HOME, THE IMPROVEMENT OF MY HOME NOW, ONE SIMPLE COMPLAINT WITH TURN A WHOLE COMMUNITY UPSIDE DOWN. I AM HOPING THAT YOU WOULD AGREE WITH MISS FRENELL AND MOVE TO GRANDFATHER HER STRUCTURE IN. NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR, HOW CAN PEOPLE GET ALONG. BUT WE SIMPLY CANNOT HAVE BECAUSE NEWER PEOPLE, WELCOME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. COME IN. AND CAN SET COMPLAINTS THAT CAN TURN A WHOLE COMMUNITY UPSIDE DOWN. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. YES, MA'AM. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> ROBIN LOCKETT. SO THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE DESIGN EXCEPTION, HE INDICATED THAT -- I THINK HE ONLY RECEIVED ONE LETTER FROM THE COMMUNITY. I HAVE SEVEN OR EIGHT OF SUPPORT. HER NEIGHBORS THAT SUPPORT HER AND WANT THE COUNCIL TO GRANDFATHER THIS CARPORT IN. AND I AM PIGGYBACKING OFF OF CONNIE. YOU KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT IS GOING ON. BIGGER HOUSES THAT ARE GOING ON, THAT IS COMING INTO -- INTO A COMMUNITY. THEY ARE NOT CREATING A COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITY IS, THERE. AND WITH ONE COMPLAINT. AND THAT IS ALL IT TAKES, RIGHT. BUT WHAT DOES THAT -- WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT. DO OTHER PEOPLE START COMPLAINING SO EVERYBODY WILL HAD BEEN IN COMPLIANCE? THEY MOVED INTO THE COMMUNITY. SHE -- SHE TRIED TO DO THINGS RIGHT AND COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN ABOUT THIS BEFORE. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA HAS. WHEN -- WHAT DO WE DO WHEN A PERSON DOES EVERYTHING THEY NEED TO DO RIGHT, GET A CONTRACTOR. SHE DIDN'T GET JOE BLOW OFF THE STREET. SHE GOT A CONTRACTOR. AND THAT CONTRACTOR DIDN'T DO HIS DUE DILIGENCE TO PULL PERMITS. TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES OF THE C CITY. AND BACK THEN A LOT OF MONEY. TODAY IS A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE SHE HAD TO SAVE FOR IT. WITH THAT CONTRACTOR NOT DOING DUE DILIGENCE TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT BY THE CITY, BY THE CODES AND GUIDELINES, NOW SHE IS SUFFERING FROM IT. SO I ASK THAT YOU DO GRANDFATHER HER CARPORT IN. YOU WILL GET A LOT OF THESE. YOU WILL HAVE PEOPLE FROM OTHER AREAS COMING IN THAT DON'T KNOW THE CULTURE OF -- OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEY ARE MOVING IN. AND THEY WILL WANT TO CHANGE EVERYTHING TO BE LIKE WHERE THEY MOVE FROM. TO BECOME WHERE THEY MOVE FROM. AND WE HAVE GOOD NEIGHBORS. THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST SPOKE. MIKE -- MIKE -- I VISIT HIM. HE IS A GREAT NEIGHBOR OVER THERE. HE HELPS PEOPLE MOW THEIR LAWNS. HAVE CONVERSATIONS. GREAT NEIGHBOR. BUT THIS COMPLAINT, ALTHOUGH ERRONEOUS, YEAH, IT TAKES ONE, BUT SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TEAR HER CARPORT DOWN OR WHATEVER BECAUSE -- A DELIBERATE ERROR. IT WAS DELIBERATE BECAUSE THE CONTRACTOR KNOWS THERE ARE GUIDELINES THAT HE HAS TO FOLLOW. SO HE, IN ESSENCE, STOLE HER MONEY BECAUSE NOW SHE IS IN THIS. PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS. AND GRANDFATHER HER CARPORT INTO -- GRANDFATHER HER CARPORT IN I WILL GIVE YOU GUYS -- MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WE WILL PUT IT INTO THE RECORD. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? YES, MA'AM. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> MISS JONES. I AM REPRESENTING THE CRIME WATCH GROUP. WE ARE IN FAVOR IN SUPPORTING HER CONCERNING THE PROPERTY IN THE CARPORT GETTING GRANDFATHERED IN. EVERYBODY ELSE WHO SPOKE SORT OF TOOK THE WORD OUT OF MY MOUTH, ESPECIALLY MISS BURTON BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR 65 YEARS, OKAY. THIS IS THE THING. HOW I SEE IT. THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CHANGING. WE ALL KNOW THAT. WE ARE CURRENTLY TRYING TO REVIVE SOME THINGS ON THE OVERLAY. BUT WHEN PEOPLE COME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAVE ESTABLISHED AND KEPT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD STABLE AND THE WAY IT IS. SO IT IS CROWDED. THE DENSITY IS -- IS ONE AREA IS ONE THING. ANOTHER THING IS THE OTHER THING. SO YOU CAN'T JUST COME IN AND THINK THAT YOU CAN GET WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE EVERYBODY GOT TO WORK TOGETHER. WHERE WE WERE RAISED, NEIGHBORS HELPED NEIGHBORS. EVERYBODY SAW ABOUT EVERYBODY. YOU COULDN'T HAVE ONE PERSON WHO COME IN HERE AND THINK THAT THEIR IDEOLOGY IS GOING TO OVERRULE THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO YOU GOT TO BE SORT OF -- LEAN IN AND WORK WITH PEOPLE. BECAUSE -- AND IF WE -- IF WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A NEIGHBORHOOD WORK, WE ALL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. THAT'S HOW I SEE IT. YOU CAN'T COME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THINK, OKAY. JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT IT THE WAY YOU WANT IT, THAT IS HOW IT GOES. YOU HAVE TO TRY TO BE NEIGHBORLY AND CONSIDERATE OF ALL PEOPLE. THAT IS HOW WE ARE RAISED TO TAKE A VILLAGE. WE HAVE A LOT OF U.T. STUDENTS. I DON'T LIKE EVERYTHING THEY DO BUT IT IS SOMEBODY'S CHILD. I AM TRYING TO SEE ABOUT IT AND TEACHING THEM THE RIGHT WAY AND THAT IS WHAT I AM SUPPOSED TO BE. EVERYBODY ELSE? YES, MA'AM. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL, SANDRA DIEGO SANCHEZ, 705 WEST FIG STREET, SEVEN BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE APPLICANT. I'M HERE TODAY IS AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN. THE APPLICANT PURCHASED HER HOME IN 1980. SOON AFTER THAT SHE HAD THE DRIVEWAY POURED. THE DRIVEWAY BEING POURED AND THE CARPORT ON TWO DIFFERENT DATES. AUGUST 2010, SHE HIRED A CONTRACTOR. AND THEY BUILT THE CARPORT ALMOST 14 YEARS AGO. THERE WAS A HOME WITH A CARPORT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET JUST TO THE SIDE LINE. THE LETTER BY CITY STAFF DENYING THIS REQUEST MAKES MENTION OF THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY. I HAD REASON RECENTLY TO PULL RECORDS ON THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY BECAUSE WE ARE BEGINNING TO WORK ON EDITING IT. THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY WAS NOT APPROVED UNTIL 2015. ALL THIS WORK WAS DONE BEFORE THE OVERLAY AND SHOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN. IF WE USE THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY AS A GUIDELINE FOR HOMES BUILT BEFORE 2015, MANY HERITAGE ERA HOMES WILL BE NONCOMPLIANT. I AM NOT SURE WHY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATION IS SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE SETBACK. JUST DOWN THE STREET AT 407 NORTH ALBANY IS A HOUSE COMPLETED IN 2022 WITH TOTAL DISREGARD TO SETBACKS. LEGAL SETBACKS WITHIN THE CITY CODE IS THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY GUIDELINES. PERMITTING DID NOT NOTICE IT. IT IS FIVE HOUSE AWAY. I ACTUALLY HAVE A LITTLE OF TEN HOUSES THAT WERE IN A FIVE-BLOCK AREA OF THIS HOME, WHICH LAND DEVELOPMENT HAS TOTALLY IGNORED THE SETBACKS. NO DESIGN EXCEPTION, PERMITTING MISSED IT. WHY THIS SHOULD BE A BIG DEAL NOW, I DON'T KNOW. CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS DRIVEN BY THIS DRIVEWAY FOR OVER 25 YEARS. INCLUDING THE CARPORT FOR 14 OF THOSE 25 YEARS AND NO ONE NOTICED. WHEN THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR WHO MADE MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS OF THIS APPLICANT ON THE SAME ISSUED PURCHASED HER HOME IN 2022. THIS CARPORT WAS IN PUBLIC VIEW. THE CARPORT AND ANY ACCOMPANYING ISSUES WERE THERE LONG BEFORE HE PURCHASED HER HOME. THE APPLICANT FILED THE RULES. HIRED A LICENSED CONTRACTOR AND BELIEVED THAT CONTRACTOR KNEW THE RULES OF THE CITY CODE TO MAKE IT COMPLIANT. PLEASE VOTE TO ALLOW THIS DESIGN EXCEPTION. IN CARPORT WAS BUILT 14 YEARS AGO. THE APPLICANT SHOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE FINANCIAL BURDEN OF TEARING IT DOWN WHEN IT HAS BEEN PART OF HER HOME FOR MANY YEARS. PLEASE HELP PRESERVE HER QUALITY OF LIFE AND ALLOW HER TO AGE IN PLACE PEAFULLY. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WHO WISHES TO SP SPEAK? >> I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MA'AM, IF YOU CAN RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN. [SWEARING WERE IN] >> I AM HARRIET McCRAY AND ONE OF THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS WITH DELP HINE JONES THAT HELPED WRITE THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY. WE SPENT TWO YEARS TO WRITE THE OVERLAY AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE DID IT TO KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD INTACT SO IT IS RECOGNIZABLE. THE OLD PARTS OF WEST TAMPA IS STILL EXISTING. AND ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE OVERLAY THAT WE DID DO WITHIN IT, THERE WAS A REVIEW PROCESS. AND REVIEW PROCESS IS NOT SOMETHING WHERE THIS SITUATION IS OCCURRING. BUT TO BE ABLE -- TO BE ABLE FOR PEOPLE TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ABOUT THIS SITUATION. AND DO THINGS IN A COMPASSIONATE WAY. NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING A STICKLER. WE CAN'T -- HONESTLY WEST TAMPA IS UNIQUE WEST OF THE CITY, HAS ITS OWN STYLE AS YOU KNOW JUST LIKE YBOR DOES, SOHO AND EVERYBODY ELSE, WE ARE ONE OF THOSE PLACES AND FILLED WITH THE CAL HOMES IN WEST TAMPA THAT WE WANTED TO KEEP INTACT AND WE WANTED TO DO THE GUIDELINES THAT WE DID. NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE STIFLED WITH SUCH SITUATION WHERE THERE IS IN FIGHTING AMONGST THE NEIGHBORS. THERE ARE SOMETIMES WHEN THINGS DO COME ABOUT WE TRY TO RESOLVE THOSE THINGS IN A NEIGHBORLY FASHION WITH THE REREVIEW PROCESS AND WHAT THEY ARE WE WANT FLEXIBILITY AND LIVE IN PEACE. THIS SITUATION IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE MANY OF THE ORIGINAL -- AS WELL AS DELP HINE JONES AND REPRESENTATIVE AS A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES THAT WE NEED TO BE MORE COMPASSIONATE. SHE HAS BEEN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SHE HAS A LIFE THERE. AND SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE IN CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SP SPEAK? >> WE GOT TO SWEAR YOU IN. [SWEARING IN] >> I AM CLINT PARIS, CITY OF TAMPA RESIDENT AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK OF THE ISSUE THAT YOU JUST HEARD ABOUT. I WAS VISITING A HIGH SCHOOL CLASSMATE A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK AND HIS MOTHER EXPLAINED TO ME THE DESPAIR REGARDING WHAT SEEMED TO BE SOMETHING VERY MINOR AND IN PLACE THERE FOR DECADES FROM MY UNDERSTANDING. SHE HAD HIRED A CONTRACTOR TO ASSIST HER IN REMODELING THE FRONTAGE OF HER HOUSE AND CAME TO LIGHT THAT MAY BE SOME TYPE OF VIOLATION. AS YOU ALL ARE PROBABLY AWARE BY NOW, WE ARE TALK ABOUT A LONG, LONG-TERM TAMPA RESIDENT. SOMEBODY RETIRED ON THE FIXED INCOME AND LOOKING TO ENJOY THE SUNSET OF HER LIFE, REFLECTING ON THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND SERVICES SHE PROCEED TO SO MANY PEOPLE AND NOW SHE IS MIRED IN THIS CONTROVERSY REGARDING SOMETHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE TO ME JUST A MINOR CONSIDERATION ON YOUR PART. I JUST WANT TO COME DOWN WHEN YOU HEARD OF HER HEARING TODAY AND SPEAK ON HER BEHALF AND SAY THIS IS THE EPITOME WHY WE WANT GOOD PEOPLE TO REPRESENT US ON CITY COUNCIL. CITIZENS ARE BOXED IN AND NOT PROVIDED THE JUSTICE THAT THEY DESERVE THEY CAN COME TO YOU AND GET THE RELIEF THEY NEED. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THE REQUEST HE HAS MADE AND LET HER ENJOY THE BENEFITS OF HER HOME AND NOT GO THROUGH MAJOR RENOVATIONS THAT WILL BE COSTLY AND BURDENSOME FOR HER. I WANT TO APOLOGIZE BUT I RUSHED IN. BECAUSE I HEARD WHAT WAS HAPPENING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? YOU CAN BRING THEM UP TO THE ATTORNEY. SURE. I SEE NO ONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF -- COMMENT. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, ARMANDO AND -- YES, MA'AM, SWEAR YOU IN. [SWEARING IN] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHO IS THE FIRST ON THE LIST. TRACY, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. NOPE, YOU ARE STILL MUTED. THERE YOU GO. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >>Caller: GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM DR. TRACY THOMPSON. I AM A BOARD CERTIFIED INTERNAL MEDICINE PHYSICIAN AND THE PRIMARY CARE PROVIDER FOR MISS CHERYL NEWFERNELL. I PRACTICE HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. SHE IS UNDER MY CARE AND I'M HERE TODAY TO SUPPORT HER IN HER NEED FOR A CARPORT GIVEN HER CURRENT MEDICAL CONDITION. SHE IS ACTIVELY GETTING TREATED MYSELF FOR HER HEART AND LUNG DISEASE AND RECENTLY HAD A SURGICAL PROCEDURE ON HER HEART PERFORMED BY HER CARDIOLOGISTS. IT ASSISTS HER AS SHE ENTERS AND EXITS HER HOME AND WALKS SAFELY FROM THE CAR TO THE DOOR NOT RUSHING THAT COULD EXACERBATE HER HEART AND LUNG AND RISK HER OF FALLING. IT PROTECTS HER FROM BEING EXPOSED FROM THE ELEMENTS AND HAS TO CARRY HER PORTABLE OXYGEN PREVENTS THE OXYGEN MACHINE FROM GETTING WET. AS HER PRIMARY CARE PROVIDER THE CONTINUED APPEARANCE OF THE CARPORT TO NOT HAVE AN INCIDENT THAT COULD HAND HER IN THE HOSPITAL. I ASK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL SUPPORT HER PETITION TO KEEP THE CARPORT. THANK YOU. MANISCALCO ARMANDO, YOU ARE NEXT. >> ARMANDO CASELAN, 1913 WEST GRAY AND I LIVE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM MISS CHERYL. I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE DESIGN EXCEPTION AS WELL. AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN, A LOT OF THE LEGAL TERMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, I DON'T HAVE THAT PROFESSIONALISM TO KNOW AND PROVIDE. I CAN TELL YOU IN 2018, MISS CHERYL HAS BEEN A PHENOMENAL NEIGHBOR. VERY NICE. DURING THE PROCESS OF THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS DONE FOR THE STORMWATER DRAIN. WE HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW EACH OTHER LITTLE BIT MORE. ONE OF THE THINGS I DID IN MY RESEARCH AND MY LETTER I PROVIDED IN 2006, ONE OF THE COMPLAINTS WAS THERE WAS AN EXPANSION OF THE DRIVEWAY IN 2006 WHICH IS THE LATEST PHOTO THAT YOU CAN SEE ON COUNTY PROPERTY OR APPRAISER'S WEB SITE. THE DRIVEWAY NEVER CHANGED IN SIZE. THE STRUCTURE BETWEEN PHOTOS IN 2010 AND 2012, YOU CAN SEE THAT HAS BEEN ERECTED. MISS FRENELL HAS THE RECEIPT THAT SHOWS IT WAS DONE IN 2010. THE TIMING OF THE PICTURES OBVIOUSLY DON'T DO JUSTICE A LOT OF CLAIMS ARE SAYING LOSS OF GRASS. AS A NEIGHBOR I HAVE NOT S SEEN SOD TO COME TO REPLACE ANY OF THE GRASS KILLED. ANY TYPE OF SAND AS PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED, UNFORTUNATELY WITH GOOGLE WE CAN'T SEE ANYTHING HISTORICALLY BECAUSE THE OWNER OF 1914 HAVE COMPLETED META DATA BY REQUESTING PRIVACY ON THE SERVICE. DUE TO THE LEGAL ASPECTS AND THE NECESSITY OF GIVING MISS FRENELL PEACE OF MINE IN SUPPORT OF HER. TO ADD, THIS NOT THE ONLY PERSON THAT THE NEIGHBOR AT 1914 HAS CONTINUED TO HARASS. AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, WE ARE BEHIND HER. AND WE HOPE WE WILL CONTINUE TO SHOW UP AND SUPPORT HER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC. >> DAVID HUNTER, PLANNING AND ZONING COORDINATOR. ONE THING I WANTED TO EMPHASIZE, AGAIN, IN THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY IS DETERMINED BY THE BLOCK AVERAGE. SHOULD THIS GET APPROVED, THAT WILL AFFECT ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THIS WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. SO IT DOES HAVE RAMIFICATIONS ON THE REST OF THE BLOCK AS WELL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. WERE YOU GOING TO TURN YOUR MIC ON NO? COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, CONTRARY TESTIMONY TO THE WEST OVERLAY DISTRICT AND TIMING AND WHAT RULES WERE APPLIED DURING THE TIME OF THAT CONSTRUCTION. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT. >> THE WEST TAMPA OVERLAY APPROVED AS PART OF ORDINANCE. SO IT HAS BEEN IN PLAY FOR YEARS. HAD THEY COME IN FOR A PERMIT IN 2010 UP TO TODAY. THEY WOULD BE UNDER THE SAME SCRUTINY AND WOULD HAVE BEEN PERMITTED BASED ON THE ZONING CODE, THE OVERLAY CODE AND FURTHERMORE THE BUILDING CODE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IN THE POWER YOU HAVE AS STAFF, COULD YOU HAVE BEEN -- COULD YOU HAVE GRANTED THIS DESIGN EXCEPTION WITHIN YOU ARE IN POWER? >> COULD I HAVE? TECHNICALLY, I CAN APPROVE ANYTHING AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE JUSTIFICATION CRITERIA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS WHAT I AM SPEAKING TO. WHAT IS THE JUSTIFICATION CRITERIA THAT PREVENTED YOU. >> INADEQUATE JUSTIFICATION. JUSTIFICATION THAT THE DRIVEWAY GETS WET IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. NOT A PERMITTED JUSTIFICATION. THIS IS THE TYPE OF THING THAT HAD WE APPROVED THIS WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE HERE SAYING HOW DID WE EVER APPROVE THIS. THESE ARE DETERMINATIONS AND THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES WHEN REVIEWING THE DESIGN EXCEPTION. TOO MUCH OF AN EGREGIOUS VIOLATION OF THOSE SETBACKS. IT DOESN'T MEET THE LETTER OF THE OVERALL DISTRICT. IT DOESN'T MEET THE INTENT OF THE OVERLAY DISTRICT. AND AGAIN -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY RECOURSE WITH CONTRACTORS IF THEY HAD ANY EVIDENCE AND DID WORK WITHOUT PULLING A PERMIT? >> WHAT WE ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT TO DO. THIS IS A CIVIL MATTER AT THIS PINT AND CONTACT THE DPBR, THE DEPARTMENT OF BUSINESS REGULATION BY THE STATE AND REPORTING THAT CONTRACTOR. BUT MY LEVEL, NOTHING I CAN DO OTHER THAN ENCOURAGE THEM TO SEEK RECOURSE ELSEWHERE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: BEFORE I GO. I WALKED IN, THREE LADIES SITTING ON A BENCH DOWNSTAIRS AND I STOPPED TO GREET ALL THREE OF THEM. ONE WHISPERED HAVE YOU STARTED. LET ME SAY WHAT THAT MEANS. IT MEANS HAVE YOU STARTED MEMOIRS THAT RUTH McNAIR AND THE ONE TO WRITE FOR FIVE YEARS. SO I AM NOT HERE TO SAY THAT IS PART OF THIS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THE AIR THAT IS WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR. >>BILL CARLSON: THE WORD "GRANDFATHER" WAS THROWN OUT RIGHT NOW. IF WE APPROVE THIS, IS IT A ONE-TIME EXCEPTION FOR A -- OR ENTITLEMENT. IF SOMEBODY BUILDS A NEW HOUSE, THEY BUILD THE EXACT SAME HOUSE AND DIMENSIONS. >> IT WILL ONLY BE THIS PROPERTY. >>BILL CARLSON: BUT IF SOMEBODY TAKES DOWN THIS CARPORT, CAN THEY BUILD ANOTHER ONE THAT IS TO THE SAME DIMENSIONS? OR DO THEY HAVE TO BUILD TO THE CODE. >> MY UNDERSTANDING IT WILL BE IN PERPETUITY, BUT I REFER TO COUNCIL FOR VERIFICATION OF THAT. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. IF CITY COUNCIL OVERTURNS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL OF THIS APPLICATION, YOU ARE APPROVING THE SETBACK REDUCTIONS THAT WERE REQUESTED BY THE PETITIONER THAT RUNS WITH THE LAND. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM NOT TRYING TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT YOU LEARN THINGS AS YOU GET OLDER. IF THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT, TEN HUNDRED THOUSANDS OF DRIVEWAYS IN WEST TAMPA THAT ALL OF THEM ARE ILLEGAL BECAUSE THE '50s AND '60s. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THEM? THAT'S ALL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE STILL OPEN. WE HAVEN'T CLOSED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY. >>BILL CARLSON: ANYTHING ELSE? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE REBUTTAL BY THE APPLICANT. MA'AM, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WISH TO ADD? FERNELL? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO CL CLOSE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. SECOND. MOTION TO CLOSE HAS PASSED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY AND NONIF MISS CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE WANTS TO COMMENT, BUT PROVIDED YOU AS SHE SAID EARLIER TWO POTENTIAL MOTIONS. 27-60-E-5. THAT IS WHAT I PROVIDED TO YOU. YOU ARE STANDING IN THE STEAD OF THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. IT IS BEING DE NOVO. WHATEVER DECISION REFERENCES THE CRITERIA IN 27-60-E-5. YOU CRAFT YOUR MOTION BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU HEARD IT THAT IS IN THE SECTIONS THERE WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHOOSE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I TALK ABOUT THIS. MY HEART GOES ONE WAY AND MY BRAIN GOES THE OTHER. I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT YOU -- THAT YOU PEOPLE DESCRIBED AND I HEARD PEOPLE COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY AND ALL OF THE THINGS AND UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT GOT US HERE TODAY. LIKE YOUR NEIGHBOR OR NOT, THAT ADJACENT PROPERTY ALSO HAVE RIGHTS. AND I LOOK AT SECTION 5, AND WHAT I SEE IS NUMBER ONE ON THAT IS THAT THE EXCEPTION NEITHER INTERFERES WITH THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS AS PRO IN THIS CHAPTER AND INJURIOUS TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE. AND THE INTENT OF THE CHAPTER IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I JUST WANT -- THIS IS THIS IS INTERESTING. ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN PUBLIC COMMENT WHO SUPPORTED THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN ARGUING OF DESIGN EXCEPTIONS. I AM A BIG FAN OF DESIGN EXCEPTIONS EITHER. I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT OF IT. WE HAVE CERTAIN SET OF RULES THAT PEOPLE APPLY AND WHETHER SOMEBODY IS A NEW PROPERTY OWNER OR AN OLD PROPERTY OWNER, THEY STILL HAVE -- THEY KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE. UNFORTUNATE THIS CONTRACTOR CAME IN AND DID BAD WORK. I APPRECIATE CITY STAFF POINT TOGETHER DIRECTION WHERE THE APPLICANT CAN GO FOR RECOURSE. OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT THAT APPLICANT HAS FOR RECOURSE. BUT, AGAIN, WHEN WE ARE MAKING THESE DECISIONS IN ACCORDANCE TO THE SECTION BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE HAVE TO USE AS GUIDELINES, THERE IS NOT A LOT OF LATITUDE FOR US WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS THE SAME LACK OF LATITUDE THAT THE CITY STAFF HAD WHEN THEY MADE THIS DECISION BECAUSE YOU LOOK -- YOU LOOK AT THE RULE. THE RULE IS WHAT THE RULE IS. AND IF THE SITUATION IS REVERSED, I THINK THE FOLKS WILL ACTUALLY WANT US TO HOLD TO THAT SAME LEVEL OF STANDARD. IF THE APPLICANT WAS -- AND SOMEBODY ELSE HAD DONE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE INJURIOUS TO THEIR PROPERTY. WANT TO HOLD THEM TO THE SAME STANDARD. I AM PROBABLY NOT GOING -- NOT PROBABLY, I AM GOING TO VOTE TO UPHOLD THE DECISION OF CITY STAFF ON THIS DECISION. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHY WE ARE TRYING TO GET MAGISTRATES OUT OF IT. BECAUSE THERE IS MORE THAN JUST BLACK AND WHITE. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES IN TERMS OF, LIKE, LANGUAGE HERE. IT'S -- THERE IS GRAY. THERE IS NUANCED. AND TO ME THE FACT THAT THIS IS A CARPORT THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR 14 YEARS BEFORE THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE WAS BUILT IS AN ISSUE. THAT NEIGHBOR HAD THAT CARPORT FOR SO LONG THAT IT IS BASICALLY PART OF THE LANDSCAPE. PART OF THE HOUSE. AND THAT IS YOUR HEARING FROM THE NEIGHBORS. BECAUSE THEY ARE USED TO IT. THEY ARE USED TO THIS SPACE. AND A NEW CONSTRUCTION CAME IN AND THE PERSON WHO PURCHASED THAT NEW HOUSE HAD THE CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE LAY OF THE LAND AND KNEW IT WAS THERE. SO I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH YOU. I BELIEVE THAT IN THIS CASE, GRANDFATHERING IN SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR 14 YEARS AND -- IS NOT A PROBLEM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: UNDER WHAT AUTHORITY WOULD WE HAVE -- SORRY -- UNDER WHAT AUTHORITY WOULD WE HAVE THAT? AGAIN ARE I AGREE. MY HEART IS THERE. WHAT SHORT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I SAID 5C. IT SEES THE GENERAL INTENT OF THIS CHAPTER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FAIR ENOUGH. MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO MINUTIA AND PART OF YOUR DECISION WHEN YOU FACE THESE. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE AND MAKE FINDINGS OF FACT. IF THE FINDING OF FACTS IS APPLICABLE TO SOMETHING AND MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL AGREES AND YOU MAKE THE FINDING OF FACT, YOU CAN BASE YOUR DECISION WEATHER TO UPHOLD OR RETURN AND BASE AND YOUR FIND, OF FACT WHATEVER YOU FIND THEM TO BE BASED ON THE EVIDENCE AT THE HEARING. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. IT IS NOT AS DIFFICULT FOR ME BECAUSE I SERVE ON THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS. WHAT WE DID WAS PRESERVE PEOPLE'S SETBACKS. AND THEIR HOUSING -- ESPECIALLY OLD HOUSES. AND WE GOT CAR PORTS NOT -- IT WAS NOT UNCOMMON TO GET CAR PORTS THAT NEEDED TO BE -- THAT -- I FORGOT THE NAPE OF IT. NOT VETTED IN -- VESTED. I KNEW IT STARTED WITH A V. TO BE VESTED. AND THAT IS SOMETHING ON THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD WE DID WITH REGULARITY BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF SOMETHING AND HOW IT -- HOW IT FIT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I AM FOLLOWING LISTEN TO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AM WILLING TO SUPPORT SUPPORTING THE DENIAL AND APPROVING IT. WHOEVER MAKES THAT MOTION HAS MY VOTE. COUNCILMAN VIERA. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. I WILL VOTE TO OVERTURN AS WELL. I DID WANT TO -- COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN'S WORDS OBVIOUSLY I THINK -- SOMETHING WE CAN HAVE THERE. AND I WANT TO -- I WANT TO JUST SPEAK TO WHAT COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN SAID BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY HE IS STANDING ON PRINCIPLE JUST LIKE EVERYBODY DOES ON THIS. IF I AM READING THE ROOM UP, MAY BE UNPOPULAR POSITION AND I DO SALUTE AND THAT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO SAY AND COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN HAVE A WONDERFUL HEART INCLUDING PRINCIPLES. I WILL BE VOTING TO OVERTURN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: EVERY DAYS IS DIFFERENT. AND EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT AND THINGS ARE NOT ALWAYS ONE COLOR. THEY ARE GRAY IN THIS MATTER, IT IS BECAUSE THERE AE SURVEYS. I AM SURE WHEN THE PARTY BOUGHT THEIR HOUSE, BOTH THE LADY WHO BUILT THE CARPORT THAT IS NOW ILLEGAL BUT NEVER WASN'T ILLEGAL BECAUSE NOT CAUGHT IN THE BEGINNING. THERE WAS A SURVEY DONE OF THE PROPERTY OF THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY. WHEN THE LADY NEXT DOOR BOUGHT THE HOUSE, WELL, THE LOT TO BUILD, THERE WAS A SURVEY THERE. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SURVEYS? CAN ANYBODY TELL US? WAS THERE A VIOLATION THAT THAT SHED -- THE CARPORT WAS OVER THE PROPERTY LINE? I DON'T KNOW. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW ONE THING, I CAN'T GET ARRESTED FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT ILLEGAL IF I HAD DONE SOMETHING 14 YEARS LATER. I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT. THAT'S ALL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND THEN CLENDENIN. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YEAH, YOU KNOW THE -- THE ONE THING THAT NO ONE HAS SAID OUT LOUD HERE TODAY THAT GENTRIFICATION HAS SOME SIGNIFICANT CONS WHEN, YOU KNOW, NEW HOMES ARE COMING INTO COMMUNITIES. AND IT IS JUST SO UNFORTUNATE, BECAUSE ONE OF THEM IS THE DISRUPTION OF SOCIAL NORMS AND CULTURAL EROSION. YOU COULD SEE WHAT EXISTED BEFORE YOU BUILD YOUR HOME. YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE WHAT ALREADY EXISTS. AND IT DOES HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, NEW FOLKS COME IN. AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE THINGS. AND SO -- AND THEN WE HAVE RULES. FOR ME I KNOW WE HAVE -- BECAUSE OF OUR CITY ATTORNEY, WE HAVE TO STICK WITHIN GUIDELINES, BUT I ACTUALLY DO SUPPORT THE OVERTURNING OF THIS PARTICULAR CASE. AND I WILL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY MY HEART IS THERE AND I WANT TO BE THERE ON THAT DECISION, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR ATTORNEY OR THE CITY ATTORNEYS ON THIS. IS THAT UNDER WHAT CONDITION -- ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER. WHEN DOES ONE PROPERTY OWNER'S RIGHTS SUPERSEDE ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER'S RIGHTS. YOU HAVE ONE HOUSE THAT HAS CERTAIN PROPERTY RIGHTS. AND LET'S SAY WATER DAMAGE CAUSED BY THE WATER COMING OVER THOSE THAT WAS IN TESTIMONY. WHEN IS THAT PROPERTY RIGHTS -- WHEN DO HER PROPERTY RIGHTS GET SWEPT AWAY WHEN THE RULES CLEARLY SET WHAT THE SETBACKS ARE. AND AGAIN, MY HEART SAYS I WANT TO BE ON THE OVERTURNING SIDE OF THIS, BUT I AM TRYING TO INTELLECTUALLY GET THERE AND I CAN'T GET THERE. NOT THAT IT MATTERS BECAUSE CLEARLY THE VOTE IS GOING TO BE THERE. I AM WORKING ON IT. ARE WE AS SITTING BOARD ABLE TO SWEEP AWAY THE RIGHTS OF ONE PROPERTY OWNER OVER ANOTHER LIKE THAT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOTHING IN THE RULES, AS THEY SAY SAY. AND I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID IT CORRECTLY. THERE IS THE LETTER AND YOUR INTERPRETATION OF IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MOTION IS GOING TO BE WITH YOU BUT YOU HEARD CERTAIN TESTIMONIES THAT CAN APPLY OF THINGS THAT YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION. THE ANSWER IS THIS. YOU ARE NOT ULTIMATELY A COURT OF EQUITY. YOU CAN'T JUST DEPENDING ON WHO ASKS WHAT AND WHEN, MAKE A DECISION. IT HAS TO HAVE A BASIS. AND IT HAS TO BE BASED ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD, AND, OF COURSE, DUE PROCESS HAS BEEN TO BE AFFORDED AND BASED ON THE FOLLOWING REQUIREMENTS OF LAW. IN OTHER WORDS, THE CODE HAS TO BE PROPERLY APPLIED. AND THEN YOU -- YOU APPLY IT -- YOU APPLY THE PROPER CODE PROPERLY. SO WHAT I AM SUGGESTING TO YOU IS THAT WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. YOU CAN HEAR WHAT THE FIND, WOULD BE AND WHAT THE RATIONALE WILL BE AND IF YOU BELIEVE THE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE SUPPORTS IT, YOU VOTE YES, AND IF YOU DON'T, VOTE NO. ON THE OTHER SIDE IF OFF MOTION THAT YOU WANT TO PUT FORTH TO DO OPPOSITE, THEN YOU STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS. ULTIMATELY WHAT COMES -- ULTIMATELY YOU AS BOARD ARE THE ULTIMATE FINDERS OF FACT. THE COURT CAN'T OVERTURN WHAT FINDINGS YOU MAKE FACTUALLY AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE APPLY PROPER CODE AND SAY YOU ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE OF ANOTHER REASON THAT IS NOT TOTALLY AT ALL WITHIN THE CODE. SO WHAT I AM SAYING TO YOU. THESE ARE THE RULES OF THE TEAM. AND DEPENDING ON WHAT COUNCIL'S DETERMINATIONS ARE OF WHAT THE EVIDENCE SHOWS, YOU TAKE IT AND YOU GO FROM THERE AND SEE IF YOU CAN MEET WHAT THE CHARTER REQUIRES WHICH IS THE MAJORITY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AGREE THAT THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT STORMWATER RUNOFF, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR. BECAUSE TECHNICALLY THE OWNER OF BOTH -- THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS TO HANDLE HER STORMWATER ON HER PROPERTY. AND THAT IS -- THAT IS A BUT OFTENTIMES IN VARIANCE CASES, WE WILL HAVE SEPARATIONS OF EAVES AND GUTTER AND NOT A PART OF THE -- OR -- OF EAVES AND GUTTERS ARE NOT NECESSARILY PART OF THE SETBACK. SO -- SO REALLY, WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT THAT. WE ARE NOT LOOKING -- SO SHE CAN ADD A GUTTER SYSTEM. AND -- AND WE CAN'T MAKE THEM DO ANYTHING. BUT, AGAIN, THAT WOULD -- THAT -- THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. THAT IS NOT PART OF THE CASE. THAT IS NOT OUR ISSUE. THAT IS A STORMWATER ISSUE TO BE DEALT WITH LATER. WE ARE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT STORMWATER. WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CARPORT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN. I AM GOING TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION -- YOU RAISE AN INTERESTING QUESTION. AN INTERESTING ISSUE THAT MAY BE WE WILL LAND. I DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO NUMBER SIX, THE RIGHT THAT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS AND MISS CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE IT IS THE RIGHT THAT YOU HAVE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT YOU HEAR TO IMPOSE A CONDITION LIKE THAT. THAT MIGHT BE FROM AN EQUITABLE STANDPOINT MAY PROPOSE A SOL SOLUTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OF WHAT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU FIND TO BE THE CASE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DO FIND THAT TO BE THE CASE. IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP THE STORMWATER ON YOUR PROPERTY AND I DON'T THINK THAT ASKING THAT AND HAVING THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY -- I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO A REASONABLE CONDITION. I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HEAR FOR AND THIS THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO. >> A MECHANISM TO BE DONE. AND IF IT IS APPROPRIATE YOU CAN ASK COUNCIL'S MEASURE TO ASK WHETHER THE APPLICANT WOULD AGREE TO THAT CONDITION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I ASKED THE QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT WHETHER THIS EXCEPTION GOES FORWARD AS AN ENTITLEMENT. BUT MY QUESTION, MARTY, IS IF WE DO THIS NUMBER 6 AND PUT A CONDITION TO SAY IT DOESN'T GO WITH THEIR LAND. IF SOMEBODY -- WE CAN NOT DO THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE HEARING IS CLOSED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE LEGAL EFFECT OF YOUR DECISION IS THAT IT RUNS WITH THE LAND. YOU CAN'T DECIDE THAT IT DOESN'T. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO REOPEN THE HEARING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION TO REOPEN THE HEARING. IS THERE A SECOND? A SECOND TO REOPEN THE HEARING. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> MY NAPE IS CHERYL CHERYL GREAUX FENNELL. I HAVE AN EXTENSION. MY GUTTER DOES NOT RUN ON HER PROPERTY. I HAVE AN EXCEPTION. IT STAYS ON MY SIDE. SO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO CLOSE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO CLOSE COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OKAY, WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE TO OVERTURN THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR'S DENIAL OF DE 124-121910 WEST GRAY STREET BECAUSE THE PETITIONER HAVE COMPETENT AND EVIDENCE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND. >>LYNN HURTAK: IN SECTION 27-141, SUBSECTIONSE 2-C.2. BASED ON THE CRITERIA 27-06 SUBSECTIONSY AND 5. SUBSECTIONSB OF SUB 5 THAT THE EXCEPTION PROVIDES A REASONABLE ALLOWANCE OF THE USE UNDER SPECIFIED CIRCUMSTANCE THIS WAS APPLICATION. C, THAT THE EXCEPTION ACHIEVES THE GENERAL INTENT OF THIS CHAPTER AND THE TAMPA COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND F. THAT THE REQUEST DEMONSTRATES THE EXCEPTION IS WARRANTED DUE TO THE UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE PROPERTY SUCH AS THE EXISTING BUILDING OR STRUCTURE AND THE FACT THAT THIS EXISTING STRUCTURE HAS BEEN THERE FOR 14 YEARS. THAT'S IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND AND INCLUDE THE CONDITION THAT STORMWATER -- THAT THE APPLICANT ASSURES THAT STORMWATER IS MAINTAINED ON THE PROPERTY. >>LYNN HURTAK: I ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT BECAUSE THE APPLICANT ALREADY SAID THAT IS SOMETHING -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM JUST -- IF WE LET IT GO WITHOUT SAYING THAT. THEN THERE IS NO RECOURSE BECAUSE WE APPROVED IT WITHOUT IT. THE HEARING IS CLOSED. >>LYNN HURTAK: IS THAT A SECOND? >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MOTION TO AMEND. >>LYNN HURTAK: DO YOU APPROVE THE AMENDMENT? >>GWEN HENDERSON: I APPROVE THE AMENDMENT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND WITH THE AMENDMENT. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [ APPLAUSE ] NEXT UP, WE HAVE ITEM THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED. ITEM NUMBER 14 WAS PULLED BY -- WHO PULLED 14? GO TO 57 AND 58. AND THEN GO BACK TO 14. BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO REQUESTED IT IS NOT IN THE ROOM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SHE SAID SHE WILL BE RIGHT BACK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHE IS? 57 AND 58. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAD REQUESTED TO PULL THESE ITEMS. I UNDERSTAND SPEAKING WITH STAFF, THIS IS -- THIS IS A GRANT. AND THE STAFF HAD ELECTED TO DIVIDE THIS GRANT AMONGST THESE TWO ENTITIES. I PULLED THEM BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE A STATEMENT BECAUSE I KNOW FISCAL '25 IS COMING AND I KNEW IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE MONETARY EXPENSE VERSUS THE RETURN ON THAT INVESTMENT LAST TIME AROUND AND I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AGAIN. MONEY FROM THE GENERA FUND. GRANT MONEY THAT STAFF ALLOCATED. IF MONEY WAS TO BE PULLED FROM THE GENERAL FUND, WANTED THESE APPLICANTS TO UNDERSTAND THAT AT LEAST MYSELF IN REVIEWING THE BUDGET WILL LOOK FOR A HIGHER RATE OF RETURN FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY -- CITY OF TAMPA TAXPAYER MONEY BEING EXPENDED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: KIND OF WHAT I WANTED TO DO BECAUSE I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONCERN ABOUT WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY GETTING FOR THE COLLAR FIGURE FOR THESE. AND MAKING SURE WE ARE GETTING -- WHAT WE ARE EXPECTING AS FAR AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND -- AS I LIKE TO SAY, HOW MANY PEOPLE WE GOT SLEEPING IN BEDS. BECAUSE THAT -- THAT IS A BIG AGENDA ITEM FOR -- FOR THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE CITY COUNCIL IS ENSURING WE HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE ARE SPENDING IS BEING SPENT IN A WISE WAY TO GET THE MOST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE HOUSED -- SPECIFICALLY HOUSED. AND I THINK, AGAIN, AS WE LOOK AT THAT, THERE NEEDS TO BE A MORE CONCERTED EFFORT BY THESE NONPROFITS AND OTHER NONPROFITS IN REACHING THE END RESULT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. HURTAK AND THEN HENDERSON. >>LYNN HURTAK: SOMEBODY WROTE SOMETHING RECENTLY, A FRIEND OF MINE RIGHTS A LOT ABOUT HOUSING AND ECONOMICS AND HIS COMMENT IS "ECONOMICS IS HOUSING." IT REALLY IS. YOU CAN'T HAVE A GROWING ECONOMY WITHOUT HOUSING. BUT WE CAN'T JUST PUT PEOPLE IN HOUSES. WHAT THESE ORGANIZATION DO -- AND IT IS REALLY HARD TO ATTACH DOLLAR FIGURES TO IT. THEY HELP PEOPLE GET THE HOUSING AND THEN MAINTAIN IT. FOR PEOPLE WHO NEVER OWNED A HOME, WHO DON'T KNOW PEOPLE WHO OWN HOMES. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO. THEY DON'T KNOW. THEY NEED THIS -- THIS ASSISTANCE TO LEARN HOW TO SAVE. THEY NEED THIS ASSISTANCE TO LEARN HOW TO IMPROVE THEIR CREDIT SCORE. THEY NEED THIS ASSISTANCE TO FIGURE OUT, ONCE I OWN A HOME, WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO. THE FACT OFF THIS TO MAINTAIN RESERVES IN SAVINGS TO FIX THINGS. THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE BORN KNOWING. AND -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I GET WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. I THINK THE END RESULT -- WHEN YOU HAVE THESE -- THESE MATRIXES THAT YOU HAVE -- THE ULTIMATE RESULT AGAIN IS GETTING PEOPLE IN BEDS AND WHAT IS THE END RESULT -- FOR ME WHEN I SAW THE STATISTICS LAST YEAR. I UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE DOING. I GET THAT, AND THE PRODUCTION AND THE END RESULT WASN'T REACHING WHAT CONSIDER ACCEPTABLE AS FAR AS THE DOLLAR BIGGS. AND I THINK YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE A CONCERTED EFFORT OF ACHIEVING THE ULTIMATE GOAL. YOU ARE PUTTING THE WORK INTO GETTING THERE AND DON'T KNOW THE END RESULT. WE HAVE THE NUMBERS THAT WE EXPECT FOR THE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THAT WE ARE INVESTING. >> BECAUSE IT TAKS YEARS TO GET THROUGH THOSE. SOME PEOPLE WILL TAKE YEARS TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY ARE ABLE TO BUY A HOME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LOOK AT THAT TIME IN '25 AND SEE WHERE THEY ARE AT. AND HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO BRING THOSE STATISTICS. >>LYNN HURTAK: HOPEFULLY AND NEED TO GET SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING. NOT ONE OF THOSE YOU GET X MONEY. YOU GET Y RESULT. YOU SPEND X MONEY, YOU GET -- YOU CAN'T REALLY QUANTIFY IT. THIS IS NOT A QUANTIFIABLE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVERYTHING IS QUANTIFIABLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DISAGREE BECAUSE PERSON A WILL NEED TWO THINGS TO GET THEM IN THAT HOUSE. FERN B WILL NEED FOUR THINGS TO GET IN THE HOUSE. PERSON C NEEDS SIX THINGS AND TWO YEARS TO GET THEM IN THE HOUSE. I WILL SAY PERSONS A, B AND C ALL DESERVE TO GET THE HOUSE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF THEY GET THE HOW LONGS. BUT IF ONLY ONE OUT OF TEN ARE GETTING THE HOUSE, IS THAT A GOOD RETURN HURTAK HIGH TEMPERATURE THE OTHER ISSUE IS WE DON'T HAVE HOUSES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT FIGURE IS NOT AN ACCURATE FIGURE. I THREW THAT OUT. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ALSO DON'T HAVE -- A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO CAN AND QUALIFY FOR HOUSES AND THEY CAN'T FIND A HOUSE. SO THERE ARE ALL SNEEZE OTHER ISSUES. THAT'S WHY IT IS NOT SAYING X VERSUS TO Y. >> SPEND A HALF MILLION TO GET PEOPLE INTO HOUSES? >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN '25. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, BECAUSE THE ISSUE IS -- YOU ALL HAVE TALKED ABOUT WANTING TO TOUCH EVERY SINGLE WAY OF HOUSING. YOU CAN'T PUT MONEY IN ONE BUCKET AND EXPECT IT TO WORK. YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE TO GET PEOPLE INTO HOUSING AND EVERY PERSON IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. AND THAT'S JUST -- YEAH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMEMBER HENDERSON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THIS IS -- I THOUGHT SOMEONE WAS BEHIND ME. THIS HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THE HOUSING COUNSELING SERVICES THAT WORK. THERE ARE CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEE WHO UTILIZED THIS SERVICE TO GET INTO HOME. I WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. KAYON CAN SPEAK ON THIS. I HAVE NOTES I PUT IN MY PHONE THAT THEY ALREADY MET THEIR HOUSING GOALS. IF KAYON CAN SPEAK TO THAT AND THE CITY COME BACK, THEY MET THE GOALS OF THE CITY GRANT AND THE CITY ASKED THEM TO SPEND MORE MONEY FOR CLIENTS TO GET INTO HOMES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS IMPORTANT OF THIS PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT EVEN SENIOR CITIZENS WHO -- LET'S SAY LIVE IN TAMPA HEIGHTS. A REAL STORY BASED ON WH WHAT SALINA'S HOUSE HAS DONE. A SENIOR CITIZEN IN THEIR HOUSE 45 YEARS. THEY ARE COACHED CONSTANTLY. THAT EDUCATION AND TRAINING THAT SOLIDA HOUSE, BECAUSE SOMEONE IS OFFERING THEM $250,000 FOR THEIR HOME. FOR THAT PERSON, THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY BUT SALINAS HOUSE SAID IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR PROPERTY, WHERE ARE YOU GOING? THAT EDUCATION, THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE IS THERE, AND THE DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE. AND TOUCH PEOPLE EMPLOYED WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA AND EXCEED THEIR GOALS HOPEFULLY CA SON WI SPEAK TO THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THIS AMOUNT OF TIME. I WANT THE OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE COME BACK IN 2025 TO HAVE THAT REPORT AND SHOW A RETURN ON INVESTMENT. I DIDN'T MEAN TO WASTE OUR TIME TODAY BECAUSE HOW THAT MONEY CAME TO US IS DIFFERENT. BUT BACK FOR FISCAL YEAR '25. I WANTED TO USE THIS AND COME BACK WITH GOOD MATRIXES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. KAYON, I WANT TO YOU SPEAK ON IT PAUSE IT WAS PULLED AND THE PUBLIC IS LISTENING. HOUSE IS AN ISSUE. PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE. I WANT TO GIVE THAT EXAMPLE OF PEOPLE BEING INTO HOMES BECAUSE OF THIS PROGRAM. ONE OTHER THING IS THAT THERE IS A PITCHER WHERE THIS PARTICULAR HOMEOWNER. WENT INTO THE FLOG 2022 AND JUST MOVED INTO HER HOME AND TOOK A LONG TIME, THAT EDUCATION, WHAT SHE HAD TO DO TO CHANGE IT AND TURN IT AROUND. YES, SHE IS MOVING INTO THE HOME IN 2024. YOU DON'T SEE RESULTS IN 90 DAYS. NOT A THING IN SOME INCANSES. >>KAYON HENDERSON: KAYON HENDERSON. CAN YOU GUY HEAR ME? KAYON HENDERSON, DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AND HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. BECAUSE NO REVENUE AND NOT GETTING ANY FUNDS, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT AT TIMES TO REALLY LOOK AT THE SERVICES THAT ARE RELATIONAL TO TRY TO MAKE THEM -- GIVE THEM METRICS. YOU HAVE GIVEN AN EXAMPLE COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON OF SOMEONE WHO TWO YEARS IT TOOK TO PURCHASE THEIR HOME. WE HAVE A DEDICATION TOMORROW FOR SOMEONE THAT TOOK 16 YEARS TO PURCHASE THEIR HOME. WHEN WE PAY LET'S SAY FOR ONE CLIENT 100,000. THEY ARE WORK REQUESTING THEM NOW ARE FOR THE NEXT TWO, THREE, FOUR YEARS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE GETTING INTO A HOME. IF THERE IS SOMETHING YOU CAN CALCULATE. I AM HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK TO SEE IF THAT CAN BE DONE. PRIOR THIS, I SEARCHED UP R.O.I.s ON SOCIAL SERVICES AND I COULDN'T FIND A CALCULATION THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OTHER SOCIAL SERVICES AND THIS ARE ACTUALLY HOUSING. THE RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT IS -- HOW MANY FOLKS OVER A PERIOD OF X NUMBER OF YEARS IF WE EXTRAPOLATE AS MUCH AS WE NEED TO. HOW MANY FOLKS DO WE SUCCESSFULLY GET HOUSED. AND HOW MUCH MONEY PER PERSON WHEN YOU AVERAGE IT OUT TO GET THEM HOUSED. THAT IS MY QUESTION. I ONLY COME TO THIS BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE ONE YEAR OF EXPERIENCE ON COUNCIL DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE AND I RECALL IN THE BUDGET CYCLE WITH TAXPAYER MONEY. THE MATRIX DID NOT REFLECT POSITIVELY ON THE SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM. AND PERHAPS IT WAS JUST BAD DATA AND WASN'T COMPREHENSIVE DATA TO SHOW THAT. AND PERHAPS, AGAIN, SHOWING A DIFFERENT REPORT WOULD COMPLETELY SWAY ME AND CHANGE MY MIND. I DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF COUNCIL'S TIME ON THIS. ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS STUCK IN MY HEAD AS IT WAS FIRST PRESENTED AND I WANTED TO USE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY LET'S EVALUATE THIS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IN TERMS OF SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY. WHAT IS THE RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT? WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR THE MONEY AND WE ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO PAY FOR THIS AND HOW TO JUSTIFY TO OTHER PEOPLE THIS IS A GOOD PROGRAM. IF IT IS SUCCESSFULLY PUTTING PEOPLE IN HOUSES, I AM ALL THERE. IF NOT, AND SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY AND BETTER FROGS GET PEOPLE IN HOUSES, WE SHOULD BE PURSUING THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE 57 AND 58. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. BACK TO 14. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. YOU KNOW I DO NOT FOR THIS PROGRAM. LAST YEAR COUNCIL DECIDED TO SUPPORT IT BECAUSE WE GOT A GRANT FROM THE STATE. THIS IS THE VERY FIRST YEAR THAT SHOT SPOTTER WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE CITY IN ITS ENTIRETY TAMPA NOW THAT WILL PAY FOR THREE EXTRA OFFICERS. AND COVERS FOUR SQUARE MILES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MANY SQUARE MILES DOES IT COVER? >>LYNN HURTAK: FOUR. THERE WAS A GREAT OP-ED BY CHIEF BERCAW IN THE TAMPA BAY TIMES OF HOW TO RECRUIT OFFICERS THAT REFLECT OUR CITY. WE CAN DO THAT WITH THIS $280,000 AND HAVE SOMEONE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WILL COVER ALL THREE SHIFTS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY FROM TPD THAT REQUEST TALK -- >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS NOT MY QUESTION. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT QUESTION. MY QUESTION IS -- YES, THEY ARE GOING TO SAY THEY WANT THIS PROGRAM. BUT I AM SAYING OUR CHANCE TO SAY WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO WITH THIS $280,000 BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY ARE NOT GIVING -- THE COMPANY ITSELF REFUSES TO SHARE HOW THEY GET THEIR DATA. HOW IT PERFORMS. THERE IS -- THE MAYOR OF HOUSTON JUST SAID THEY WON'T USE THE PROGRAM ANYMORE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE IRONY ON THE SALINA HOUSE, RETURN OF INVESTMENT. SHOW ME THE DATA. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE. MISS HENDERSON CAN SHOW THAT YOU DATA. AND THEY CAN'T SHOW YOU DATA BECAUSE IT IS PROPRIETARY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT IS -- >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS NOT A GRANT ANYMORE. IF WE TALK ABOUT HOW TO SPEND OUR MONEY. JUST A T.H.A.N. MEETING WITH CHIEF OF STAFF BENNETT NET. AND THEY SAID THEY WANT MORE OFFICERS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULDN'T PEOPLE SAY WE ARE OVERPOLICE SOMETHING IN. >>LYNN HURTAK: ARE WE OVERPOLICING BY ADDING ONE MORE OFFICER? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO DO THIS AND THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: WE HAD THREE PRESENTATIONS AND THE DATA. IT IS EASY TO REFUTE THE DATA. I DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE NEXT TWO HOURS GOING THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW. IT IS PRESENTED IN A WAY THAT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE IT IS SUCCESSFUL WHEN IT IS NOT. I WENT ALONG WITH IT LAST YEAR BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING A GRANT. BUT I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS AT ALL. AND THE NUMBER ONE TEST IS TO ASK POLICE OFFICERS. SURE POLICE OFFICERS WILL COME UP AND REPRESENT THAT IT IS A GOOD IDEA. IS A WASTE OF A TIME. WE SPEND HOURS CHASING FALSE STARTS. AND THIS IS NOT SOLVING CRIMES LIKE I DO THE OTHER WAYS. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS. I ASKED FOR 200 MORE POLICE OFFICERS. WE NEED TO SPORT POLICE OFFICERS WE HAVE OUT THERE AND NOT TAKE UP THEIR TIME ON SOMETHING THAT IS NOT EFFECTIVE. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANOTHER TWO-HOUR-LONG CONVERSATION. WE HEARD THAT BEFORE AND WE NEED TO VOTE UP AND DOWN ON THIS BECAUSE WE KNOW HOW WE ARE GOING TO VOTE ANYWAY. >>LYNN HURTAK: I SAY WE SHOULDN'T MOVE THE RESOLUTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY ARE HERE TO TALK THOUGH. >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST LIKE HE SAID. I DIDN'T ASK FOR THEM TO BE HERE. I SIMPLY ASKED FOR THIS VOTE TO BE CALLED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BUT I HAVE TO BASE MY DECISION ON BOTH SIDES. YOUR OPINION AND THE OPINION OF THE POLICE OFFICER. ANYBODY FROM TPD CAN TELL ME IF SPOTLIGHTER WORKS, IS NOT GOOD, ANYBODY HERE? SIR? >> EDWARD ROJAS, A LIEUTENANT WITH THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT. I THINK ALL THREE OF US, WE SEE VALUE IN THIS PROGRAM IN SHOT SPOTTER. THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANCES WHERE WE DON'T ALWAYS GET THE 911 CALL. THE SHOT SPOTTER GETS THE OFFICERS IN THAT DIRECTION TO POTENTIALLY FIND VICTIMS, FIND EVIDENCE, FIND CASES OF INDIVIDUALS WHO NEED TO BE PUT IN JAIL. WE -- I THINK 2024, OUT OF ALL THE ACTIVISTS OF SHOT SPOTTER, ONLY 17% OF THOSE DID RECEIVE 911 CALLS. SO A LOT OF RESIDENTS DON'T CALL FOR THESE. INCIDENTS WHEN WE SHOW UP FOR THE 911 CALLS AND SHOT SPOTTER PROTECTIONS AND WE HAVE LOCATED VICTIMS THAT HAVE BEEN SHOT AND LOCATED A VICTIM TWO SHOT AWAY WHERE THE CRIME SCENE MAY NOT BE AS IDENTIFIABLE BECAUSE THE VICTIM DOESN'T KNOW WHERE HE IS. BUT SHOT SPOTTER HAS BEEN ABLE TO DIRECT THESE OFFICERS TO THESE LOCATIONS WHERE THEY CAN FIND EVIDENCE, SHELL CASINGS, BLOOD, CLOTHING, VEHICLE. YES, WE SEE A VALUE IN THIS PROGRAM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY. COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: I WAS GOING TO ASK IF WE COULD HEAR FROM TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT IS INTERESTING, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FUNDING FROM MORE POLICE OFFICERS. MY RECORD ON THAT IS JUST LIKE EVERYBODY HERE IS VERY CLEAR IN TERM OF SUPPORTING THAT. LAST BUDGET, I PROPOSED A VERY TINY, TINY, TINY .3 MILLAGE TO HIRE MORE POLICE OFFICERS AN GET MORE FIRE STATIONS. I STRONGLY SUPPORT THAT. HAD WE CAPPED THE DOWNTOWN CRA, WE COULD GET MORE MONEY TO HIRE POLICE OFFICERS. SO I -- I WILL THINK OF WHAT TO DO WITH THIS VOTE. I HAVE TO THINK FAST BECAUSE IT IS COMING UP. I SUPPORTED THIS IN THE PAST AND IT APPEARS TO ME ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT TO FIGHT CRIME. OBVIOUSLY WANT TO PUT THEM WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN AND CONCERNED WITH HIRING FOR POLICE OFFICERS. WE NEED TO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL WAYS TO FUND THAT THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA BUDGET. BUT, YEAH, JUST MY RAMBLING THOUGHTS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND CARLSON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SAME QUESTION. YOU WERE IN THE ROOM WITH THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIN. WHAT WE ARE GETTING FOR THE TAXPAYER MONEY, QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS. WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR IT? >> THE ACCOUNT HAS BUDGETED FOR THIS ONE YEAR. IT IS NOT SHOWN TO BE BUDGETED FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. WE ARE EXPLORING OTHER OPTIONS TO PAY FOR THIS SERVICE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONE YEAR FROM THIS MONTH IS BUDGETED FLORIDA THIS YEAR, CORRECT. STARTING JUNE 20, OUR NEW CONTRACT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUNE TO JUNE? >> CORRECT. >> I REMEMBER WELL THE BRIEFING WITH THE GRANT MONEY. ANYTHING NEW TO ADD TO THAT ABOUT THE SUCCESS? HAVE YOU HAD ANY SUCCESS SINCE THE LAST TIME TAMPA PD WAS HERE USING THIS PROGRAM. >> AS FAR AS -- >> SOLVING CRIMES. GETTING PERPETRATORS. >> YES, LIKE I WANT TO SAY BRIEFLY. I CAN GO TO ONE EXAMPLE THAT I FOUND WAS SHOT DETECTION CAME OUT. OFFICERS CAME ON SCENE. THEY DIDN'T LOCATE THE -- NO 911 -- NO 911 CALL CAME IN WHAT IT. THEY DIDN'T FIND THE DEFENDANT. THEY FOUND THE VEHICLE AND FOUND THE VICTIM. WITH SHOT PREVENTION, OFFICERS WERE STARTED TO EXPEDITE THEIR APPROACH TO THIS LOCATION AND OFFICERS WERE ABLE TO GET IN TIME WHERE THE DEFENDANT WAS STILL IN THE AREA. GET A DESCRIPTION FROM THE VICTIM OF THIS DEFENDANT. LOCATE THE DEFENDANT WITHIN A FEW BLOCKS. GET A SHOWUP AND POSITIVE ID AND ARREST WITH AGGRAVATED ASSAULT WITH A FIREARM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FULL DISCLOSE COMMUTER, PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE PBA AND THEY SUPPORTED THIS. THE PRESIDENT OF THE LABOR ORGANIZATION THAT REPRESENTS THE POLICE OFFICERS HAVE SUPPORTED THE PROGRAM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. kt CARLSON I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE DATA, BUT THERE IS ALWAYS ONE EXCEPTION. THE PRIOR TIME THE PERSON WAS DECEASED ALREADY. MAYBE THIS ONE IS TOO. IF WE CAN GET THREE POLICE OFFICERS OR POLICE OFFICERS. WE WILL BE BETTER OFF. HUNDREDS CASE WHERE IS A POLICE OFFICER IS CALLED AND SOMETIMES THEY ARE EVEN SPLIT UP WITH THEIR PARTNER, BUT THEY SPEND TWO TO FIVE HOURS LOOKING AT SHELLS IF THEY FIND ANYTHING. A LOT OF TIMES THERE ARE NOTHING WHEN THEY FOUND THE SHELL WE HAVE A NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS THAT NEED TO BE IN THE FIELD TO SOLVE CRIME. WHERE SOMEONE WAS DECREASED ALREADY AND SOMEONE WAS TO EVENTUALLY CALL 911, WE SHOULD HAVE MORE POLICE OFFICERS IN THE FIELD AND THOUSANDS OF HOURS WASTED OF POLICE TIME BECAUSE OF FALSE POSITIVES. IT IS NOT WORTH IT. ACTUAL CRIME AND WE NEED POLICE OFFICERS OUT THERE TO PREVENT REGULAR CRIMES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SCMID. >> MICHAEL SCHMID, POLICE ATTORNEY AND LEGAL ADVISOR. AS WAS TESTIFIED TO, THIS -- SPOT SHORTER HAS BEEN SHOWN TO ALLOW POLICE TO RESPOND WHEN 911 AREN'T BEING MADE. THAT MEANS WE ARE FINDING PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN FOUND ALIVE HAD SPOT SHORTER NOT EXISTED. BECAUSE OF SPOT SHORTER, I THINK WE SAID -- HOW MANY -- HOW MANY SPOTTER. 70% WAS SHOT SPOTTER ACTIVATION. REMAIN 7 % MAY NOT LOCATE THE SUSPECT WHO WAS SHOT AND IN THE PROCESS OF DYING OR MAY HAVE BEEN -- >>BILL CARLSON: THAT IS NOT ACCURATE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF -- I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS DATA. CHARGED, THERE WEREN'T 500 EOPL- CHARGES FILED AGAINST CASES. 500 CHARGES AND ONLY 17 OF THEM GOT 911 CALLS, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. ANYWAY, YOU MAY KNOW HOW YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE ALREADY. IT DISAPPOINTS ME WE ARE GETTING HALF DATA AND I SUPPORT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR OFFICERS. >>LYNN HURTAK: I MAKE A MOTION TO NOT APPROVE FUNDING FOR THAT THIS YEAR. >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM NUMBER 14 -- SORRY TO INTERRUPT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A RESOLUTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH REFERENCE TO THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION, THE MOTION SHOULD BE WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA. >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE TO NOT APPROVE THE RESOLUTION FOR FILE NUMBER PS 24-5503. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: I AM GLAD COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN BROUGHT UP THE POLICE UNION BECAUSE I OBVIOUSLY SPEAK TO FOLKS AT THE POLICE UNION. THE BIGGEST THING THEY ALWAYS SAY, WE NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS. AND IF THEY WERE TO -- WANT TO GET RID OF SHOT SPOTTER TO FUND POLICE OFFICERS. I WOULD HAVE A -- I WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A CALL OR WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE TODAY. SO -- OBVIOUSLY WELL INTENTIONED AND WHAT NOT, BUT I RESPECTFULLY WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR THIS. NOT BE VOTING FOR THIS MOTION -- >>BILL CARLSON: THEY ARE NOT HERE IN FAVOR OF IT. WHEN I SPOKE TO THEM, THEY SAID IT DOESN'T HURT -- IF THEY CARED ABOUT IT, THEY WOULD BE HERE TO ASK US TO VOTE FOR IT. BUT THEY ARE NOT HERE TO VOTE FOR IT EITHER MANISCALCO WE HAVE A MOTION. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? THE MOTION IS TO VOTE AGAINST FUNDING SHOT SPOTTER. VOTING DOWN NUMBER 4. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CAN TRY IT APPEAR HAVING ONE EXTRA OFFICER FOR EVERY SINGLE SHIFT IN THAT DISTRICT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVEN IF WE DID THIS, IT DOESN'T ENSURE THAT THEY WILL HIRE AN OFFICER. >>LYNN HURTAK: IT DOES. BECAUSE WE CAN SIMPLY MOVE THAT MONEY THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FISCAL YEAR. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT WE CAN MOVE THAT MONEY FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NEXT FISCAL, YEAH. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CAN -- IF THE MAYOR APPROVES. WE ARE ALLOWED TO MOVE -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE MAYOR HAS TO INITIATE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING SHE DOESN'T WANT MORE. IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE HAVE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T GET DONE, I WANT YOU TO SAY THAT. I WANT TO YOU SAY, OH, YEAH, THAT IS FINE. WE CAN'T MOVE MONEY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR. WE ABSOLUTELY CAN MOVE MONEY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR. IT IS OUR JOBS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL NEVER DO THAT. YOU KNOW THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T KNOW YOUR HAVING THE ARGUMENT NOW. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM NOT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND. A MOTION TO DENY AND VOTE DOWN ITEM NUMBER 14. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: NO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CLENDENIN, VIERA AND MIRANDA VOTING NO. >>LUIS VIERA: NOTION APPROVE 14. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION TO APPROVE 14. THE MOTION -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: COULD YOU PLEASE ANNOUNCE. CLENDENIN YOU ARE THE LAWYER. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CLENDENIN, VIERA AND MIRANDA VOTING NO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOTION TO REJECT. >>CLERK: A MOTION TO DENY THE RESOLUTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT WAS GRANTS. NOW WE ARE PAYING FOR IT. IT CAN COME BACK ANOTHER DAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, ITEM NUMBER 86 IS NEXT UNDER STAFF REPORTS. >>VIK BHIDE: I CAME DOWN. VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY TO ADDRESS ITEM 86 THIS WAS CONDITIONED FROM MAY 16. ON THAT NOTE, MYSELF AND BRANDON CAMPBELL, WE DID MEET WITH HAD HER AND PROVIDED HER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE COUNCIL OF THE CONTRACT. THE REASON FOR EXTERMINATION AND HOW THE ISSUE WORKED FOR AN APPROVED BUDGET. WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME. I WILL BE HAPPY -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU HAVE A MICROPHONE ON OR LAPTOP -- >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ARE HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS VERY MUFFLED. >>VIK BHIDE: OH, LET ME SEE -- THE SAME MICROPHONE THAT I USUALLY USE. CAN YOU HEAR ME BETTER NOW? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LITTLE BIT. >>LYNN HURTAK: A LITTLE. >>BILL CARLSON: VERY ECHOEY. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHAT IT IS. >>LYNN HURTAK: SOMEONE ELSE IN THE ROOM LISTENING TO THIS. >>VIK BHIDE: NO, NO ONE ELSE HERE. LET ME SEE, I WILL MOVE ALL OF MY DEVICES OUT AND SEE IF YOU CAN HEAR BETTER AND IF NOT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHEN YOU ARE FACED THAT DIRECTION IT IS A LITTLE CLEARER SO THE MICROPHONE MAY BE WHERE YOU ARE FACING. WHEN YOU ARE FACING US, IT MUFFLES AGAIN. WHEN YOU TURN A LITTLE -- >>VIK BHIDE: OH, CAN YOU HEAR ME BETTER WHEN I DO THIS? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I CAN HEAR YOU. I AM JUST FOCUSING. GO AHEAD, SIR. >>VIK BHIDE: SO I WILL START AGAIN. THIS SO THIS -- THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED FROM MAY 16. THIS IS RELATED TO A PAVING CONTRACT, THE CITY-WIDE ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT CONTRACT AWARDED TO AJAX. WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THIS CONTRACT NOT BE RENEWED. AND PENDING INVOICE PROVIDE 4500 COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THIS. THE SUBSEQUENT TO MAY 16. BRANDON CAMPBELL AND I DID MEET WITH HIS HAGAR AND DID PROVIDE INFORMATION AND SHE SUBMITTED A REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL VERIFYING THE NATURE OF THE CONTRACT. THE UPSET LIMIT ITSELF, AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO TOUCH UPON THAT AND HOW A WORK ORDER CONTRACT. WHERE WORK ORDERS ARE ISSUED BASED ON APPROVED CAPITAL BUDGETS AND SEVERAL PROJECTS UNDER THIS TYPE OF A CONTRACT. AND I BELIEVE THAT REPORT ALSO MENTIONED WHY THAT CONTRACT IS NOT BEING RENEWED. AND SHOULD YOU APPROVE THE TERMINATION OF THIS CONTRACT, WHICH IS ALL PARTIES AT LEAST STAFF, AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTOR <font color="#FF0000"><u>N AGREEMENT WITH, WE DO INTEND </u></font> TO ISSUE A SIMILAR CONTRACT AND GET A DIFFERENT CONTRACTOR ON BOARD THAT WE CAN WORK WITH. I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY. NO? IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION. MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU TO OUR FINANCIAL ANALYST FOR PROVIDING. VIK SAID, GOT THE BRIEFING AND PART OF THE REASON THIS MOVED SO QUICKLY BECAUSE OF THE INFORMATION SHE PROVIDED. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT UP, ITEM NUMBER 87 TO BE HEARD WITH ITEM 27. YES, SIR. >>DENNIS ROGERO: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. >>GWEN HENDERSON: GOOD AFTERNOON. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TODAY AND THANK EACH OF YOU FOR THE TIME AND ATTENTION YOU HAVE TAKEN TO ALL THE MYRIAD ASPECTS OF WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR TODAY. I ALSO APPRECIATE YOUR INTELLIGENCE IN MOVING THIS ITEM TO -- TO ABUT NUMBER 87. BECAUSE THEY KIND OF GO TOGETHER. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION. THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE A PART 1 AND PART 2. WE CAN FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE TACKLE THIS ITEM A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS. WE HAVE ALL OF OUR MYRIAD TEAMS, SOLID WASTE TEAM, FINANCIAL TEAM, FINANCIAL ADVISOR, OUR RATE CONSULTANT IS AVAILABLE VIRTUALLY. WE CAN DO THE ENTIRETY OF PRESENTATION OR MOST OF IT THAT WE DID BEFORE, ALONG WITH NEW INFORMATION THAT COUNCIL HAD ASKED FOR OR SIMPLY ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL HAD. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, HOW MUCH MORE OF A REEDUCATION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE NEW INFORMATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE SLIDE SHOW. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT'S WHAT I AM ASKING. WE CAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FOCUS ON THE NEW INFORMATION. >>DENNIS ROGERO: JUST THE NEW INFORMATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOUR MICROPHONE, SIR. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU. I HAVE THE PRESENTATION HERE. AND DIRECTOR WASHINGTON AND I -- I AM SORRY, WE WILL GO THROUGH IT AND HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT YOU ASKED FOR. SEEING THIS, AGAIN THE FUND BALANCE ISSUE AND DISCUSS THE CAUSES ASSOCIATED. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I SAY ONE THING. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I APOLOGIZE. >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO LITTLE YOU ALL KNOW I WAS OVERSEAS WHEN YOU ALL PRESENTED. AND I WATCHED THE WHOLE VIDEO AND LISTENED TO YOUR PRESENTATION AND. >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE APPRECIATE THE TIME AND BRIEFS. THIS IS COUNCIL'S REQUEST FOR THE USE ENTIRELY ASSOCIATED WITH THE REVENUE. IF I CAN HAVE THE ELMO AVAILABLE. YOU RECALL THE PREVIOUS SLIDE AND THANK YOU COUNCIL. THIS WAS CHARGING MORE THAN WHAT WAS REQUIRED. WE HAD A SURPLUS. SO WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL ASKING FOR A REVISION AND IF YOU CAN GET BACK TO THE PRESENTATION THERE WE ARE. THERE WE ARE. YOU WILL SEE THE DIFFERENCE. AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THE BLACK PORTION OF THOSE BAR CHARTS. WE HAVE NOT INCLUDED IN THE INITIAL BAR CHART THE DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE REQUIRED FOR THOSE REVENUES. WE HAVE SIMPLY PUT -- IN OUR WORLD WHAT ARE BONA FIDE EXPENDITURES. WE HAVE NEEDS IN EXCESS OF JUST THE EXPENDITURES, WE HAVE TO CARRY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LIQUID FUNDING TO MAKE SURE. AND WE WILL GET INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL IN JUST A MOMENT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE RATING AGENCIES IN THE MARKET. SO HAVING SAID THAT, YOU SEE, WE STILL HAVE THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS. THE DEBT SERVICE ASSOCIATED WITH CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. THE OPERATING CAPITAL, BECAUSE IT IS NOT JUST -- NOT JUST PERSONNEL AND OPERATIONS. THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY REMAINS. THE DARK BLUE LINE. AND WE SEE -- BEGINNING IN FISCAL YEAR '26. IF COUNCIL APPROVES. WE WILL BE ON TRACK OR ON PAR EQUAL OUR ANTICIPATED USES. SEE THE VARIOUS COST INCREASE FROM DIRECTOR WASHINGTON. OUR COMPARISON OF RATES. THERE IS THE STATIC RESIDENTIAL REVENUE FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS. THE STATIC TIPPING FEE REVENUE. ALL OF THE VARIOUS COMPONENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE WASTE ENERGY AND SOLID WASTE RELOCATION. THERE IS YOUR MONTHLY -- THE MONTHLY INCREASE BY FISCAL YEAR AND AGAIN AT COUNCIL'S REQUEST TO THE RIGHT. WE HAVE PUT THE CUMULATIVE TOTAL. MONTHLY INCREASE $3.32. SECOND YEAR FISCAL YEAR 2026. WE ADDED ANOTHER $3.63. TO THE FAR RIGHT. THE TOTAL OVER TWO YEARS MONTHLY, $6.95. THIS IS NOT ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE THAT CUMULATIVE COLUMN ON THE RIGHT. IT STILL EQUATES TO THE $20.05 WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE END OF THE THAT FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. AND, OF COURSE, WE STILL INTEND TO OFFER THAT -- THAT RELIEF. THE CUSTOMER SERVICE -- THE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM OF LOW INCOME, 50% AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME. COUNCIL HAS ASKED WHAT IS THE 50% AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME. IT IS ABOUT $47,000 FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR IN THE TAMPA MSA OR METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA. COUNCIL HAD ALSO ASKED HOW MUCH OF THE GENERAL FUND IS PAYING THIS. BECAUSE COUNCIL WILL RECALL THAT WE CAN'T USE THESE FUNDS TO GET PEOPLE A BREAK. WE HAVE TO TREAT EVERYTHING CONSISTENTLY AND EQUALLY. ANY RELIEF FOR THOSE WHO MAY FIND THIS A HARD HAS TO COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND. $260,000 TO $270,000 IN THE INITIAL YEAR. THAT IS OUR PROJECTION. OF COURSE, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. AND THE NEEDS AS THE YEARS GO BY, BUT ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS OR A BIT MORE WILL BE THE BURDEN ON THE GENERAL FUND FOR PROVIDING THAT RELIEF. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: EXCUSE ME FOR INTERRUPTING, BUT LOOKING AT YOUR CHART FOR '25, '26, '27 THROUGH '29. IT STARTS WITH '24, '25, '26. NO PRINCIPAL PAYMENT AT ALL. WHAT I HAVE IS CORRECT? >>DENNIS ROGERO: I APOLOGIZE, WHAT SLIDE ARE YOU LOOKING AT? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT THE SLIDE, INCREASE, BUT I AM LOOKING AT WHAT YOU GAVE US -- OR SOMEBODY GAVE US -- THE PRINCIPALS FOR '24, '25 AND '26 -- >>DENNIS ROGERO: UNDERSTOOD. YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE ITEM. NO, WE WILL NOT -- WE DO NOT INTEND TO PAY ANY PRINCIPAL INITIALLY BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE PLAN IS TO ROLL ALL THE EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT BANKNOTE INTO -- THAT IS ITEM NUMBER 87. WE WILL BE GETTING TO THAT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY ASK, THE BANKNOTE DOESN'T COVER THE TOTAL OF THE COST OF THE PROJECT. BECAUSE IN 2029, THERE IS A PAYMENT OF $112,466 THUNDERSHOWERS 666. >>DENNIS ROGERO: CAN I ASK THAT WE WAIT UNTIL THAT ITEM -- THAT WAY WE CAN TIE IT ALL TOGETHER. I WILL DEFINITELY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO KNOW BECAUSE I AM LOOKING AT TWO THINGS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I APPRECIATE YOU SCRUTINIZING IT. THANK YOU. WHERE WERE WE, SLIDE 12? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE REVISED THAT SLIDE. WE PROVIDED THE AMI INFORMATION AND ALSO THE BURDEN ON THE GENERAL FUND FOR PROVIDING THAT RE RELIEF. YOU HAVE SEEN DIRECTOR WASHINGTON HAVE SPOKEN TO NEW MISCELLANEOUS FEES AND COMPARABLES TO OTHER LOCALITIES. YOU HAVE SEEN THIS, THE AVERAGE MONTHLY UTILITY BILL. WE TALKED ABOUT -- AGAIN, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT MY INTERNAL TEAM AND PUBLIC RESOURCE ADVISORY GROUP. YOU KNOW, JUST THE EXPERT IN THE FIELD AND USED THEM BEFORE, OF COURSE, AND -- THE PIPES PROGRAM WAS AN EXCELLENT TEMPLATES FOR THIS. TALKED OF THE RATING METHOD. THE VARIOUS RATING METHOD CRITERIA ASSOCIATED WITH THE RATING AGENCIES. AGAIN, WE WANT TO MEET OUR BENCHMARKS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY BECAUSE WHAT THE RATING AGENCIES DECIDE IS GOING TO HAVE A DIRECT IMPACT ON HOW MUCH MONEY WE PAY. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR NEARLY TWO YEARS NOW. TRYING TO SOCIALIZE THE PUBLIC THAT NOT IF -- BUT WHEN, YOU HEARD ME SAY THAT BEFORE. WE THINK THAT WHEN IS NOW. HERE IS OUR FINANCING PLAN THAT HAVEN'T CHANGED. AGAIN, STEP ONE IS ITEM NUMBER 87, WHICH FOLLOWS THIS ITEM. AND, AGAIN, THEY ARE DIRECTLY TIED TOGETHER. BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY WE WILL BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THAT BANKNOTE IS WITH THE ISSUANCE OF DEBT. AGAIN THE BIG PICTURE. AGAIN, WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS PLANNED DOWN THE LINE AND ALL OF THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AND YOU SEE THE TOTAL INTEREST COST IS SIGNIFICANT. THAT HAS BEEN COMMENTED ON. AND RIGHTLY SO. A QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLAR FOR THE PROJECT PROCEEDS AND AT THIS TIME WE PROJECT ANOTHER QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS IN INTEREST. I WILL SAY THIS, ALTHOUGH SEEM LIKE IT. AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT TO ME EITHER, 4.5% INTEREST IS -- IS HISTORICALLY NOT THE WORST INTEREST RATE IN THE WORLD AND SOME OF US ARE AT AN AGE WHEN IT IS MUCH, MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT. BUT FROM ABOUT THE MID-1960s UNTIL THE GREAT FINANCIAL CRISIS OF THE GREAT RECESSION OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS, YOU KNOW, IN FACT -- CAN I HAVE MY ELMO? JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT. IF I CAN HAVE THE ELMO UP PLEASE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU BROKE IT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WAS GOING TO SAY. THAT'S IT. CAN YOU STICK TO ONE FORM OF PRESENTATION. THIS IS ENTIRELY ON ME. I PRINTED THIS OFF A SHORT WHILE AGO. FEDERAL FUND RATES SINCE THE 1960 UP TO THE PRESENT. YOU CAN SEE QUITE A CRAGGY MOUNTAIN. QUITE A CRAGGY MOUNTAIN CHAIN AND YOU SEE FROM THE MID-'60s UP TO THE GREAT FINANCIAL CRISIS. FEDERAL FUNDS RATE. NOT ENTIRELY APPLES-TO-APPLES COMPARISON AND A COMPARISON OF HOW MUCH IT WILL COST FOR DEBT DEPENDING ON YOUR CREDIT RATING, ETC. THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE TIME, MAYBE FOUR AND A HALF% WASN'T ALL THAT BAD. I AM NOT SAYING FOUR AND A HALF PERCENT IS GREAT, BUT I AM SAYING COMING OFF THE GREAT FINANCIAL CRISIS, YOU KNOW THE FEDERAL RESERVE IN AN ATTEMPT TO GET THE ECONOMY GOING TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY DROP THE COST OF MONEY DEPENDING ON WHO YOU WERE, ZERO. AND WANTING TO SLOW THE ECONOMY A LITTLE HERE. YOU WANT TO SEE -- TO SLOW THE ECONOMY HERE STARTING RAISING RATES AND WE HAVE THE PANDEMIC. SO, AGAIN, IN THE EFFORT TO KEEP THE ECONOMY SIMULATED, DROPPED THOSE RATES TO ZERO OR NEARLY ZERO. OF COURSE WE ARE NOT THERE NOW. I FORGET HOW MANY CONSECUTIVE INCREASES THE FEDERAL RESERVE HAVE DONE. ALL IN ALL, WE HAVE GOTTEN USE TO VERY, VERY CHEAP FINANCING. WHEN I SAY "WE" I MEAN THE ENTIRE WORLD. THE FEDERAL IS HE SERVE OF THE U.S. OR THE EUROPEAN CENTRAL BANK IN WHICH JUST CUT THEIR RATES FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG. I THINK TODAY. WE HAVE GOTTEN USE OF VERY, VERY INEXPENSIVE MONEY. WILL WE GET BACK TO THAT SCENARIO. I HOPE SO, AND I DON'T KNOW. SO THERE IS A BIT OF SHOCK INCLUDING, INCLUDING US THAT DEAL WITH THIS CONSTANTLY BECAUSE THE WHOLE WORLD GOT USED TO VERY, VERY LOW INTEREST RATES AND CERTAINLY NOT THERE ANYMORE. CAN I HAVE THE PRESENTATION? THANK YOU. I AM NOT GOING TELL YOU THAT 4.5% IS GREAT, BUT IF YOU ARE LOOK IT THE IT HISTORICALLY, NOT THE WORSE THING. COUNCIL ASKED FOR DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES AND WE WILL PROVIDE THEM ON THE SLIDES TO COME. I WANT TO CLARIFY, THESE ALTERNATIVES WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING AND NOT PROPOSING. WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING AND PROPOSING IS, OF COURSE, WHAT IS IN YOUR PACKAGE. BUT COUNCIL ASKED, AND WE DO WANT TO PROVIDE -- AND IT IS GOOD QUESTIONS AND EDUCATIONAL, I THINK, FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE THESE ALTERNATIVES. FIRST, IF I CAN BREAK DOWN THE COMPONENTS OF THE RATE INCREASE FISCAL YEAR 2025 AND YOU SEE THEM ON SCREEN HERE. YOU SEE THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY, THE INCREASE IS JUST TO KEEP THE BUSINESS RUNNING. THE DARK BLUE. OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE. I AM SORRY? OH, THAT IS PURPLE? PURPLE? THE DARK BLUE-PURPLE SLICE IS -- IS $2.26. YOU RECALL THE MONTHLY AVERAGE INCREASE FOR RESIDENTS IS $3.32 AND $226 OF THAT INCREASE IS JUST TO KEEP THE BUSINESS OPERATING. I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU AND THE PUBLIC THAT WE REALLY HAVE VERY LITTLE FLEXIBILITY IN VOTER FOR THAT PARTICULAR COMPONENT. WE HAVE HEARD THE ALTERNATIVES FOR -- FOR -- AND ACTUALLY I WILL GET INTO THAT IN WASTE ENERGY IN JUST A MINUTE. BUT YOU HAVE HEARD THE SOLID WASTE EXPERTS SAY THAT THEY ARE RUNNING AS LEAN AS THEY CAN WITH THE -- YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE CURRENT AND ANTICIPATED WORKLOAD AND GROWTH ASSOCIATED IN THE CITY. SO, AGAIN, I WOULD SUBMIT THAT THERE IS NO FLEXIBILITY ON $2.26. AND WE HAVE -- WE HAVE PUSHED -- PULLED THAT OUT FOR YOU FROM A SCHEMATIC PERSPECTIVE SO YOU CAN SEE THE SLICE ON THE RIGHT. AND ALL OF THE EXPENSES THAT ARE ENCOMPASSED IN OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE ON THE LEFT. AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE DIRECTOR, BUT IF I AM THE DIRECTOR, I AM GOING TO TELL YOU -- I GUESS I AM. BUT YOU TELL ME, WE HAVE TO DO THOSE THINGS. WE HAVE TO PAY FOR FUEL. WE GOT TO PAY FOR UTILITIES, ETC., ETC. ARE YOU AM I SPEAKING ENOUGH ON IT OR YOU WANT ME TO EXPAND. LET ME STEAL YOUR THUNDER. OF COURSE IF YOU CAN BREAK IT DOWN INTO THE NEXT COMPONENT. THE WASTE ENERGY FACILITY. YOU SEE AT ABOUT 11% OR $.35 OF THAT $3.32 THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. I WOULD SUBMIT TO CITY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC THAT WE ALSO HAVE NO FLEXIBILITY WHEN IT COME TO THAT COMPONENT. THE CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED. THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE. YOU RECALL, THIS WAS -- THIS WAS A RELATIVELY SHORT-TERM PROJECT. ONE AND DONE. WE HAVE ALREADY SPENT $80 MILLION ON THE WASTE ENERGY FACILITY PREDICATED ON THE NECESSITY OF THE ISSUING DEBT AND THAT IS ITEM NUMBER 87 FOLLOWING THIS ONE. AND THE MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT. MONEY OUT THE DOOR. THE WORK BEING DONE. COMPLETION IS IMMINENT. SO, AGAIN, THE $2.26. AND THE $.35, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY FLEXIBILITY NOT TO GO FORWARD WITH THOSE COMPONENTS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. BECAUSE THE 120 -- I WAS TOLD THAT IT IS STILL $100 MILLION FOR THE WASTE ENERGY RETROFIT. AND THE $20 MILLION WAS OTHER PROJECTS. AND THOSE AREN'T IN THESE OTHERS BLUE AND AVERAGING EGGPLANT-COLORED AUBERJINE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: AUBERJINE -- THEY ARE. THE $120 MILLION ON THE LEFT -- THE $125 MILLION IS GR GREEN AUJERBINE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS EGGPLANT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: MY IGNORANCE. THE WASTE ENERGY COMPONENT. I HAVE ITEMIZATION OF THE OTHER. ALL WASTE TO ENERGY -- I APOLOGIZE IN THE BACK THERE. CAN I HAVE THE ELMO AGAIN. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE HAVE BROKEN IT DOWN AND CONFUSION. YOU SEE THE RETROFIT, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF IT. OTHER WASTE ENERGY PROJECTS THAT DIRECTOR WASHINGTON CAN EXPAND ON. THIS IS WHAT WE CALL THE PHOENIX PROPERTY. WE TALKED ABOUT -- THIS IS THE -- I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP. BULL-NOSED WATER WALL TUBE REPLACEMENT A CONTRACT APPROVED AND THE MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT AGAIN OUT AT THE McKAY BAY WASTE ENERGY FACILITY AND A RELATIVELY SMALL AMOUNT FOR CLOSING COST. THERE IS YOUR $125.5 MILLION NOT-TO-EXCEED AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE TOWARD THE BANKNOTE. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION, THE $5.2 MILLION, MR. WASHINGTON, CAN YOU EXPLAINED A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT THOSE $5.2 MILLION OTHER PROJECTS ARE. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: OKAY. LARRY WASHINGTON, DIRECTOR OF THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT. SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT, PROGRAM MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT. SO ADDITIONAL $5.2 MILLION ENCOMPASSES PERIODIC MAINTENANCE WE HAD TO PUSH FORWARD AND PULL OUT OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE CAN'T REALLY DO WHEN THE PLANT IS RUNNING AT FULL CAPACITY. THAT IS WHAT IT IS. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THE BULL NOSE LIKE YOU DO EARLIER FOR $272 MILLION. SINCE THE PLANT SHUT DOWN. WE HAVE OUR 55 EMPLOYEES FOCUSED ON CONCURRING MAINTENANCE. WHILE OUR CONTRACTOR IS WORKING, CCPI, WE ARE CONSTANTLY WORKING ON THESE OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE $5.2 MILLION IS WORKING ON OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE PROBABLY JUST FASTER AND EASIER TO DO WITH THE PLANT SHUTDOWN? >>LARRY WASHINGTON: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. >>LARRY WASHINGTON: NO PROBLEM. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, SIR. IF WE CAN KEEP THE ELMO -- IF I CAN GET BACK TO THE PRESENTATION. WHOOPS -- THERE WE ARE THERE. THANK YOU. THE NEXT COMPONENT IS THE SOLID WASTE RELOCATION COMPLEX PROJECT. AND YOU SEE THAT IN WHAT I WOULD CALL LIGHT BLUE COMPONENT THERE. THIS -- AND THEN YOU SEE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THIS SOLID WASTE RELOCATION PROJECT ON THE -- ON THE LEFT. I WON'T GO INTO ALL OF THOSE IN GREAT DETAIL, BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS WHILE THIS PROJECT IS NOT WHAT I WOULD IDENTIFY AS URGENT, LIKE THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT, YOU WILL RECALL, THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS SENSE OF URGENCY FOR THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT. IT WAS -- THE CONDITION OF THAT FACILITY IS KEEPING PEOPLE UP AT NIGHT. WE DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS GOING TO STAY A VIABLE SOLID WASTE FUNCTION. AND YOU HAVE HEARD THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH NOT HAVING A WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANT. THIS IS NOT IN THAT SAME SITUATION, BUT YOU HAVE HEARD ALL OF THE VARIOUS BENEFITS THAT WE ANTICIPATE WILL HAPPEN WITH THE RELOCATION OF THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT FROM SPRUCE STREET TO 34th STREET. SO WHILE I WOULDN'T CLARIFY IT AS URGENT, WE WOULD IDENTIFY IT AS -- AS -- AS A GREAT ADVANTAGE FROM THE BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE. NOW I KNOW OTHER ADVANTAGES PERHAPS IF YOU ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF YOU LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND INDUSTRIAL USE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE ALSO TALKED OF THE POTENTIAL VALUE OF THAT LAND IF OUR FACILITIES ARE NOT ON IT. WE ARE NOT ABLE TO QUANTIFY IT RIGHT NOW, BUT THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS IT IS A VERY VALUABLE, VALUABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY. WE HAVE SIMILARLY BUT ON A SMALLER SCALE, WE HAVE ALSO ALREADY SPENT FUNDING ON THIS PROJECT, ABOUT 6.4 MILLION. PRIMARILY ON DESIGN AND ASSOCIATED EXPENSES. SO WE ARE -- WE ARE NOT NECK DEEP LIKE WE ARE ON THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT, BUT WE HAVE TAKEN A BIT OF A JUMP INTO THIS PROJECT, AGAIN, PREDICATED ON RATE INCREASES AND PREDICATED ON THE DEBT ISSUANCE. AND WE WILL GET MORE INTO AND THE FINAL COMPONENTS IN ABOUT 33 CENTS OR 10% OF THE MONTHLY INCREASE OF $3.33, AND WE REFERENCED THIS BEFORE. THESE ARE ALL THOSE OTHER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, AND YOU SEE A LIST OF SOME OF THEM ON THE LEFT, THAT THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT STILL WOULD LIKE TO DO. SOONER OR LATER, AGAIN I WON'T SPEAK FOR THE DIRECTOR, A LOT OF ATTENTION HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE SOLID WASTE RELOCATION PROJECT AND THE WASTE TO ENERGY PROJECT, AND WITH VERY GOOD REASON. THE VERY LARGE AND THEY ARE VERY IMPORTANT, BUT AGAIN THERE ARE 100 AND, WHAT, 40 MILLION-DOLLAR BUSINESS AND THEY ARE EXPECTED TO BE OPERATING LIKE A BUSINESS. WITH A 200 MILLION, I THINK, RIGHT NOW CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM. AND THIS IS 10% OR 33 CENTS FOR THOSE OTHER PROJECTS. NOW, I WILL SAY, AGAIN, WE ARE NOT RECOMMENDING IT, BUT YOU SE, KIND OF EASY MATH, 33 CONSIDERATION IS ABOUT 10% OF THAT 3.33 INCREASE. THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEFER THESE CAPITAL PROJECTS TO A LATER DATE, AND THE LATE INCREASE. AND AGAIN IT'S JUST QUESTIONS WENT DENTALLY ASSOCIATED WITH ABOUT 10% OR 33 CENTS. IS DEFERRING THESE PROJECTS WORTH 33 CENTS A MONTH? I DON'T KNOW. I AM NOT THE PERSON TO ANSWER THAT. BUT COUNCIL ASKED FOR ALTERNATIVES, AND THE SAME LOGIC, IF YOU WILL, IS APPLICABLE TO THE SOLID WASTE RELOCATIONS, ABOUT 11% OR 38 CENTS. OUR POSITION IS WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT RELOCATION SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, BUT AGAIN IT'S ABOUT 38 CENTS OF SAVINGS. TO GIVE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN, THIS WAS SLIDE 16, AND YOU SEE ON THE LEFT THERE THE MONTHLY INCREASE IN CUMULATIVE INCREASE STRUCK THROUGH AND THE TWO RIGHT MOST COLUMNS ARE IF RESULT OF REDUCING THE RATE INCREASE 10%, THAT 33 CENTS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED. EACH YEAR, CUMULATIVELY AND OVER A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WE GO FROM JUST OVER $20 A MONTH TO JUST OVER $18 A MONTH. AND THE IMPACT ON THE MONTHLY AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL UTILITY BILL WITH THE OTHER INCREASES THAT ARE ANTICIPATED TO TAKE PLACE IN WATER AND WASTEWATER DEPARTMENTS. IF I CAN JUST RECAP. SO YOU SEE THE VARIOUS COMPONENTS. AGAIN, I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THE DARK BLUE OR DARK PURPLE AND THE GREEN PIE CHARTS ARE COMPULSORY. WE HAVE NO OTHER WAY OF PROCEEDING AS A BUSINESS ENTITY, NOR PROCEEDING WITH THE WASTE -- PAYING FOR THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY WITHOUT ASSOCIATED RATE INCREASE AND DEBT SERVICE FOR THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY. ITEM NUMBER 87. THE BLUE, THE SOLID WASTE RELOCATION COMPLEX, AND THE LIGHT PURPLE, 33% OF THE OTHER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, CAN BE DISCUSSED. AND I WILL TAKE QUESTIONS NOW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHY DIDN'T WE DO THIS WITH THE STORMWATER ASSESSMENT IN 2016? THIS IS ON UTILITY BILLS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: WHY DIDN'T WE -- >>> IN 2016 WITH THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT ON STORMWATER WHY DIDN'T WE DO IT ON PROPERTY TAXES AND NOT DO IN THE THIS FASHION WHERE PEOPLE SAW A UTILITY INCREASE EVERY MONTH? IT WAS NOT PROFITABLE FOR STORMWATER -- >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES INAPPLICABLE. IN TERMS OF HOW CUSTOMERS ARE BILLED. YOU KNOW, SOLID WASTE IS A UTILITY, AND OUR PERSON IS GETTING UTILITIES -- YOU SHOULDN'T SAY TRADITIONALLY BEING DEFINED AS WATER, SEWER, GARBAGE, ET CETERA, AS OPPOSED TO A STORMWATER ASSESSMENT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. I KNOW ONE IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND. THE OTHER IS DIFFERENT KIND OF PROJECT. BUT, YOU KNOW -- >>DENNIS ROGERO: I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU BUT FOR THE FUTURE, IF WE CAN REPRESENT IN ALMOST ANY FORM WE LIKE, SO IF FOR INSTANCE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE IT ON THE UTILITIES IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO THAT TO ILLUSTRATE. IN THE LAST SLIDES 10% DECREASE OVERALL, WHAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE MONTHLY. HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT THE OVERALL PROJECT? >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF COUNCIL CHOSE TO DEFER THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, THE PURPLE, IF I CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION. THERE YOU GO. AGAIN, IT'S NOT OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DEFER ANYTHING OR REDUCE ANYTHING. BUT IF COUNCIL CHOSE TO DEFER THOSE PROJECTS, THEN OF COURSE THE DEPARTMENT WILL UNDERTAKE THOSE PROJECTS AT A LATER DATE, WASHINGTON CAN SPEAK TO THE RAMIFICATIONS OF SOME OF THOSE DELAYS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BUT IN LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, DELAYING THEM IS JUST GOING TO MAKE IT MORE EXPENSIVE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: DELAYING ANYTHING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY IMPROVEMENT IS NOT RETAINING THE BUILDING, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, HAVING TOURED THE FACILITIES, SEEING WHAT NEEDS TO BE NOT PATCHED BUT FIXED AND REPLACED, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THE BEST WAY TO GO IS NOT DELAY IT OR DEFER ANYTHING. ANYWAYS COUNCILMEMBER CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A COUPLE OF THINGS. I AM GOING TO DECLARE THAT FUSCIA. BONE UP ON MY COLOR SYNAPSE. SECONDLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A BUSINESS ARGUMENT TO BE MADE FOR NOT GRANTING YOUR PROJECTS AS EXPRESSED. MY CONCERN, WHAT I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST TIME WE PRESENTED, WAS THE RATE INCREASE THAT IF YOU STRETCH IT OUT, NOT NECESSARILY REDUCE IT BY 10% BUT STRETCH IT OUT BY A COUPLE OF MORE YEARS, ESPECIALLY SINCE A LOT OF THE SPENDING IS GOING TO BE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY FRONT LOADED. IF YOU DO AN ANALYSIS OF EXTENDING THIS INCREASE OVER A PERIOD OF SEVEN YEARS OR EIGHT YEARS? >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE HAVE NOT. AND FOR A FEW DIFFERENT REASONS. IT WOULD COMPEL US TO GO BACK TO THE RATE CONSULTANT AND DO ANOTHER RATE SCENARIO WHICH WILL TAKE TIME BUT CAN BE DONE. BUT PHILOSOPHICALLY, IF YOU DEFER THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, IN ESSENCE, THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN. THE RATE INCREASES ASSOCIATED WITH THE FIRST X NUMBER OF YEARS WILL BE LOWER, BUT YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEN YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO US. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET ONE BYTE OF THE APPLE TO BE ABLE TO APALACHICOLA THE SAME THING. SO HAVING TO GO BACK TO -- WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME OF HAVING TO GO BACK AND DOING AN ANALYSIS OF SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS VERSUS FOUR OR FIVE? >>DENNIS ROGERO: MURRAY, ARE YOU ON? THIS IS OUR RATE CONSULTANT WITH RAFT TELLIS, AND I'M CATCHING A COLD IF YOU ARE THERE, BUT IF YOU ARE THERE, DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO DO WHAT THE COUNCILMAN JUST ASKED? >> MY NAME IS MURRAY HAMILTON, THE VICE PRESIDENT, WE SERVICE THE CITY'S UTILITY RATE CONSULTANT. YOU KNOW, TO FORMALLY DO AN UPDATE -- AND OBVIOUSLY REDO HAVE INFORMATION WITH CITY STAFF, WE CERTAINLY NEED AT LEAST A 30-DAY PERIOD TO RETURN BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL, I'M SURE. IN SOME RESPECTS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AT LEAST QUANTIFIED SOME -- TO OCCUR, IN ORDER TO PHASE IN THE RATE ADJUSTMENTS BEYOND THE FIRST. THAT'S WHAT YOUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER JUST PRESENTED HERE. YOU KNOW, THE FINANCIAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE RATE PLAN WAS DAYS OF CASHING, DEBT SERVICE COVERAGE OUTCOMES, AND IN A POSITIVE CASH FLOW, A BALANCED BUDGET, IF YOU WOULD, ARE ESSENTIAL IN ORDER TO ISSUE THE FUTURE DEBT. STARTING WITH THE CREDIT LINE, SUBSEQUENTLY FINANCING THROUGH BONDS. SO THERE'S REALLY NOT A -- THAT ALLOWS FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH A RATE INCREASE THAT'S ALREADY PRESENTED IN FUNDING THOSE CAPITAL NEEDS. SO I THINK WHAT I HEARD FROM YOUR CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER IS TO THE EXTENT THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CURRENT RATE PLAN, THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE IS DELAYING THE PROJECTS. I THINK WHAT'S INDICATED IS FOUR TIER FINANCING THAT I SAW FROM THE PRESENTATION DOCUMENT, ROUGHLY 33 CENTS PER MONTH PER AVERAGE BILL, WHICH I THINK REPRESENTS THAT 10% ADJUSTMENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE WANTED TO -- IF WE NEEDED TO GET EVERYTING WE WANTED IN THIS PLAN, THERE IS NO OPTION BEYOND, OR AT LEAST AN OPTION BEYOND DOING THE STAGGERED APPROACH BETWEEN 29, IS THAT WHAT I AM HEARING? >> YES, COMMISSIONER. AND TO TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IN COMBINATION WITH STAFF, CITY STAFF, FINANCIAL ADVISER, WHICH IS BRAGG, THEY HAVE ALREADY PUT IN PLACE A PRELIMINARY FINANCING STRATEGY THAT WAS MEANT TO HELP PHASE IN THESE RATES. FOR EXAMPLE, TAKING ADVANTAGE OF A LOWER COST CREDIT LINE APPROACH THAT PROVIDES THE CITY A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY EARLY IN THIS FINANCING PERIOD BEFORE ISSUING PERMANENT BONDS AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST TO THIS CITY COUNCIL HERE THAT AN APPROACH HAS BEEN TAKEN TO HELP STRETCH OUT THOSE RATE ADJUSTMENTS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AND CLEARLY I AM NOT IN THIS BUSINESS SO I HAVE TO RELY ON THE EXPERT WITNESSES, YOU KNOW, TO TELL 44 THAT THIS IS THE FINANCIAL PRUDENT WAY TO GO AS FAR AS FINANCING, AND TO BE ABLE TO GET THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ALONG. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TODAY. THANK YOU. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, MURRAY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANKS VERY MUCH. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANKS VERY MUCH. WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THE BANK, AND WE ARE PAYING ONLY PRINCIPLE FOR 24, 25 AND 26? AND THEN YOU ARE PAYING 4 MILLION, 15,067 FOR 27-28 AND THEN PAYING OUT FOR 29 OR $120,500 THAT YOU? >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR. I BELIEVE YOU ARE REFERENCING -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU WHAT DON'T REFINANCE IT AGAIN SO NOW WE ARE BUYING -- THE REFINANCING AGAIN, I THINK IT'S SOME OTHER BONDING AGENCY, WHAT'S THAT GOING TO BE IN ADDITION? THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, ON PAGE 29, WE TOMORROW TALK ABOUT THE WHOLE INDIVIDUAL FOR THE 50 AMI OR 65 YEARS AND OLDER. SO IF YOU DO THE CALCULATION RIGHT, WHAT YOU HAVE HERE, WHAT IT IS, IS TYPICALLY AN INCREASE AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, THAT 10% REAR DUCKS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ON THE 50% AMI AND THE 65 YEARS OF AGE AND OLDER? >>DENNIS ROGERO: NO, NO, AND I WILL BREAK IT DOWN INTO TWO COMPONENTS. FIRST I WANT TO REITERATE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE DISINFLATION, DEFLATION, IT'S FAIRLY THE SAME BUT THEY ARE NOT. IT'S THE 10 PERCENT DECREASE ON THE INCREASE. THE INCREASE IS SIMPLY LESS. BUT THE LOW INCOME AND THE 65 AGE OR OLDER WILL BE WHAT THEY WILL BE BASED ON -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE IS 48 CENTS LESS AND THE OTHER IS $2 LESS. SO IF I AM TRYING TO PAY IT OFF, I AM NOT GOING TO PAY IT OFF THAT WAY. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YOU ARE CORRECT, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PAY IT OFF THAT WAY. AND IF I CAN. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 4.57% IS A VERY GOOD INTEREST RATE BECAUSE MANY BANKS ARE DOING SIX MONTHS CD RIGHT NOW -- >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, SIR. IF I COULD GO BACK TO THE ELMO, IN THE BACK. AND THIS WILL BE A SEGWAY INTO ANSWERING ANOTHER QUESTION. AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT I SHOWED BEFORE, THE FEDERAL FUNDS RATE HISTORY. AND IT MAY BE MORE THAN ANYBODY WANTS TO KNOW. BUT WHAT WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT IS VOLATILE. THE QUESTION WAS ASKED AT THE LAST MEETING, HEY, WHY DO A 30-YEAR BOND WHEN PERHAPS YOU CAN SIMPLY CONTINUE TO DO THOSE SHORT DEBT ISSUES FOR THREE YEARS, FOUR YEARS, AND THEN SIMPLY REISSUE, REISSUE, AND REISSUE. AND YOU SEE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY HERE. DEPENDING UPON WHEN YOU HAVE TAKEN OUT THAT SHORT-TERM ISSUES, WHEN YOU GO TO REISSUE IT, YOU ARE EITHER A SUPER GENIUS OR MAYBE FIND ANOTHER LINE OF WORK, BECAUSE THERE'S VOLATILITY. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT INTEREST RATE IS GOING TO BE, IF YOU CAN'T PAY IT OFF IN CASH, AND YOU CAN'T, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT VOLATILITY IS GOING TO BE WHEN YOU HAVE TO REISSUE THAT DEBT. SO THE TRIED AND TRUE WAY OF FINANCING LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS IS WITH A 30-YEAR BOND, WITH A COMPONENT IN THE BOND COVENANT THAT ALLOWS TO YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF POSITIVE ECONOMIC DEFINITE. A REFINANCE. WE HAD SOME OF THIS REFINANCED OUR HOUSE, NOW, OR REFINANCED OUR MORTGAGE. WE HAVE A HISTORY -- AND I CREDIT MY TEAM INCLUDING THE FINANCIAL ADVISORS -- WITH TAKING ADVANTAGE OF POSITIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS BY REFINANCING AND SAVING MONEY. BUT IF YOU RELY, IF YOU ARE BETTING AGAINST OR FOR THE VOLATILITY, YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT HISTORY, IT'S ANYBODY'S GUESS. SO THE REASON I BRING THAT UP, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, IS AGAIN THE PLAN IS TO FINANCE THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY FOR A RELATIVELY SHORT TIME, AND THEN WHAT WOULD LEAD TO THAT LONG-TERM BEST PRACTICE DEBT FINANCING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: FIRST YOU WANT TO THANK DENNIS AND ALL YOUR STAFF, THE PRESENTATIONS WE WERE GETTING OUT OF CFO'S OFFICE AND WIEST MANAGEMENT ARE FANTASTIC, VERY DETAILED. YOU GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, AND TO LOOK AT OPTIONS AND THINGS. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. HOPEFULLY THE PUBLIC APPRECIATES ALL THIS TRANSPARENCY. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN YOU GO TO PAGE 9 ON YOUR SLIDE, PLEASE? WHEN I WAS LISTENING TO MY COLLEAGUES SPEAK, THERE WAS ONE MESSAGE THAT CAME UP. SO WHEN WE ARE TALKING TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHY WE NEED THIS, IF YOU LOOK FROM 2014 TO 2023, THERE WAS NO RATE INCREASE, AND MY COLLEAGUE SAID THINGS LIKE IF WE HAD JUST INCREASED 50 CENTS A YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S THE BOOM ECONOMIC TIME. SO THAT IS THE TIME WHEN PEOPLE WERE MAKING MORE MONEY AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HE EASIER TO PUSH THIS THROUGH. NOW WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE FOLKS ARE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE COSTS AND WORRIED ABOUT RECESSION AND THINGS, BUT I THINK THE CONE CENSUS LAST TIME FROM MY COLLEAGUES WAS HAD SOMEBODY INCREASED IT TEN YEARS AGO, ON A GRADUAL BASIS WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS POSITION. SO WE HAVE TWO THINGS. ONE IS HOW DO WE DEAL WITH GROWTH GOING FORWARD, AND YOU PUT A CPI, INFLATION INDICATOR IN THERE WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD IDEA. WE HAVE TO PLAY CATCH-UP AND THAT'S THE MART THAT COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WAS TALKING ABOUT. WE HAVE TO PLAY CATCH-UP. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HURT PEOPLE FINANCIALLY. FOR US IT'S A FEW DOLLARS, FOR SOME PEOPLE IT'S WHETHER THEY CAN BUY THEIR MEDICINE OR NOT. WE HEARD A LADY THIS MORNING SPEAK ABOUT HOW SHE HAD TO CUT BACK ON THINGS, AND I THINK SHE MISSED GETTING PART OF HER DIALYSIS TO COME HERE. THESE SMALL DOLLARS COULD MEAN A LOT TO FOLKS. SO THE WAY I LOOK AT THREE THINGS, ONE IS THE LACK OF AN INCREASE OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. THE SECOND IS WAS FOUR YEARS AGO THE CITY TOOK OVER THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT WHICH HAD BEEN RUN BY A PRIVATE DEVELOPER, AND IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ONGOING PROJECT YOU DON'T INVEST A LOT FOR THE FUTURE SO IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE WE WOULD HAVE TO GO AND INVEST. THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH IT WE FINAL GOT THE NUMBER FROM WHEN YOU ALL LOOKED AT IT, WHEN PUBLIC WORKS LOOKED AT IT, THE NUMBER TO INNOVATE WAS A LOT SMALLER THAN IT IS NOW. AND NOT NECESSARILY ANYBODY'S FAULT BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE NUMBERS DON'T CONTINUE TO GROW BUT AS THE NUMBER GROW, WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED VERSUS WHAT'S NICE TO HAVE, AND WE NEED TO DO THAT ACROSS THE BOARD IN THE CITY. AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT YOU ARE DOING SOME CONSOLIDATION, BECAUSE IT WILL BE MORE EFFICIENT. SO ANYWAY THAT'S THE BACK DROP. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, YOU PRESENTED A FEW MONTHS AGO OUR BOND CAPACITY ON THE GENERAL FUND AND ON THE ENTERPRISE SIDE, AND WE ARE ABOUT 41% ON EACH. WAS THIS 120 MILLION A DAY INCLUDED IN THE 41%? >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT WAS NOT. >>BILL CARLSON: SO WHAT PERCENTAGE DOES THAT TAKE US UP TO WHEN WE INCLUDE THIS NEW DEBT, WHAT MERGE ARE WE AT? AND THE SECOND THING IS, I UNDERSTAND TALKING TO A COLLEAGUE YESTERDAY, THE SPRUCE STREET OPERATION, WHICH IS PART OF THE COST WE ARE RELOCATING THAT AND SOME BROWNFIELD ISSUES THERE, BUT THAT LAND IS VALUABLE, IT WAS PAID BY, AS I UNDERSTAND, GENERAL FUNDS IN THE PAST, AND IT'S CONSIDERED A GENERAL FUND ASSET. ONE OF THE OBJECTIONS I HAVE TO THIS IS THAT I THINK A REASON WHY AN EXPECTATION OF THE PUBLIC WOULD BE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST OF THAT, WHAT WE COULD SELL IT FOR, BUT LET'S SAY 20 MILLION. 20 MILLION WOULD LOP OFF ONE SIXTH OR WHATEVER OF THE DEBT. IT WOULD ALSO POTENTIALLY REDUCE THE AMOUNT THE BURDEN OF THE CATCH-UP. BUT IF THAT MONEY IS ONLY GOING TO GENERAL FUND, IT WILL BE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE, HOPEFULLY NOT FRIVOLOUS, BUT I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THIS IF WE PUT IN SOME WAY TO GUARANTEE THAT THAT MONEY, THAT PROPERTY BE SOLD AT MARKET VALUE AND THAT MONEY WOULD BE PUT IN TOE EITHER REDUCE THE DEBT AND/OR REDUCE THE PAYMENTS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: AND THANK YOU, SIR. I APPRECIATE YOUR OBSERVATIONS. YESTERDAY DURING THE BRIEFING, AGAIN MR. MURRAY EXPLAINED, THE DEBT CAPACITY. WE'LL CALCULATE THAT FOR YOU AND OF COURSE I AM SURE YOU HAVE DRAWN THIS CONCLUSION. SOLID DEBT HAS NO DEBT CAPACITY. IN THE ABSENCE OF A RATE INCREASE THEY ARE USING THEIR SAVINGS. >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT'S THE POSSIBILITY OF ATTACHING THE SPRUCE STREET FUNDS TO THIS SO THAT WE CAN REDUCE EITHER THE DEBT OR THE -- YOU MIGHT SAY THAT THE BOND MARKET WOULD WANT US TO REDUCE THE PRICES IF WE ARE GOING TO BUILD THEM IN. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE COULDN'T JUST PROMISE THEM THAT IN THE BEGINNING SAND SAY WE'LL OFFSET IT IF THAT COMES ABOUT, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, BUT AT LEAST WE COULD REDUCE THE DEBT BECAUSE I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ADDITION OF THE DEBT. I BET THIS PUTS US OVER 50% AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING ANYTHING WE HAVE ADD IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT COULD, AND I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE IN LEGAL KNOWS THE ANSWER OR OUR FINANCIAL ADVISER. WHEN THE TIME COMES, AND THE DECISION IS MADE, OR IF THE DECISION IS MADE TO SELL THAT PROPERTY AND WE GET AS YOU SAY AT LEAST $20 MILLION AS AN EXAMPLE, THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, IT WILL BE UP TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THAT FUNDING. I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND IF WE COULD ISOLATE IT SPECIFICALLY FOR AN ENTERPRISE FUND. I SEE EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE ASKING. I DON'T KNOW IF -- >>BILL CARLSON: I BET WE COULD, BUT IT DEPENDS OWN WHETHER WE HAVE THE WILL TO DO IT F.THAT'S INCLUDED TO OFFSET THE DEBT OR THE COST, AND IT WOULD BE SOLD AT MARKET VALUE, THEN I'M OKAY WITH ALL OF THIS BECAUSE I THINK THE PUBLIC HAS SOME REFUSE BUT THE PUBLIC -- THAT LAND IS BEING USED FOR SOLID WASTE NOW, AND WE ARE GOING TO SELL IT, SPEND IT ON SOMETHING ELSE. AND I HAVE A CONCERN. I THINK THE RATE PAYERS HAVE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT WE ARE GOING TO USE FACILITIES THAT ARE UNDER WASTE SERVICES TO OFFSET OTHER COSTS. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SORRY, SIR. HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST TURNED OFF MY MICROPHONE. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU FOR THIS. I HAD A SIMILAR QUESTION THAT REALLY GOES TO DEBT RATIO. AND WHAT I AM CURIOUS ABOUT, TECHNICALLY THIS IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND. SO IT IS NOT REALLY PART OF THE CITY'S DEBT, IT IS AN ENTERPRISE DEBT. AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? >>DENNIS ROGERO: YOU ARE CORRECT. IN FACT IT'S A LITTLE MORE GRANULAR THAN THAT IN THAT EACH ENTERPRISE UNIT IS VIEWED INDEPENDENTLY OF WHAT THEY CAN PAY FOR. WE HABITUALLY LURCHED THEM TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY ARE BUSINESSES OR ENTERPRISE BUT THEY ARE EACH ENTITIES, BASED ON THEIR CAPACITY, WHAT THEY CAN PAY FOR, WHAT THEY CAN'T PAY FOR, ET CETERA. BUT WE WILL PROVIDE THE TOTAL -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE TO ME IF IT'S 41% AS OUR DEBT RATIO FOR THE CITY, THAT TO ME IS CITY GENERAL FUND NOT INCLUDING ENTERPRISE FUNDS. ENTERPRISE FUNDS I LOOK AT IN RAH TOTALLY DIFFERENT MANNER BECAUSE THAT -- I AM GOING TO POINT TO MR. WASHINGTON, BUT HIS DEBT, THAT'S NOT YOUR DEBT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AM I LOOKING AT IT CORRECTLY, IT'S A PRETTY SOLID WE'LL BETWEEN THAT DEBT. AND HOWEVER, IF SOLID WASTE CAN'T MAKE THAT PAYMENT, THEN IT WOULD LAND ON THE CITY TO PAY IT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YOU ARE READING MY MIND, MA'AM, AND AGAIN I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO WONKISH, BUT OUR PLAN IS UNTIL WE ISSUE THAT 30 YEAR BOND, WE WILL BE PLEDGING DIRECTOR WASHINGTON'S REVENUES TO PAY THE DEBT. WE ARE GOING TO USE THE REVENUES BUT WE WILL BE PLEDGING THE FULL FAITH AND COMMITMENT OF THE CITY ABSENT RAISING PROPERTY TAXES. SO WITH THE COSIGNER, IF YOU WILL, THE GENERAL FUND IS THE COSIGNER. AND THE REASON IS RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T WANT TO USE THE SOLID WASTE REVENUES AS A PLEDGE, BECAUSE THEIR RATING WILL BE LOWER BASED ON THEIR FINANCIAL RIGHT NOW. IF ALL GOES ACCORDING TO PLAN, AND THE RATE INCREASES ARE PUT INTO PLACE, BY THE TIME WE ISSUE THAT BOND, IT WILL BE A VERY, VERY STRONG CREDIT SO IT'S PROBABLY MORE THAN YOU WANTED TO KNOW, BUT, YEAH, THE GENERAL FUND IS THE COSIGNER RIGHT NOW. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD WAY FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE WE LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT WE ARE GOING INTO, THIS TO ME IS JUST A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEBT. THIS IS WORKING ON AN ENTERPRISE FUND SOLELY FOCUSED ON SOLID WASTE. I THINK THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HENDERSON, MIRANDA. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR. COUNCILMAN CARLSON KIND OF PIQUED MY EARS UP WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE PROPERTY OVER IN CARVER CITY. HAS THAT BEEN A PART OF THE DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL AND FUNDING SOURCE THE SALE OF THIS LAND? >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT HAS NOT. AND I AM NO REAL ESTATE EXPERT BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IN TERMS OF WHAT THE BROWNFIELD REQUIREMENT WILL BE IN TERMS OF WHAT PARTIES WILL BE INTERESTED IN BUYING IT, AND THEN OF COURSE WHAT WOULD BECOME OF THE PROCEEDS OF THE SALE. ABOUT THE ONLY THING WE KNOW IS THAT THE EXPERTS TELL US IT'S A VERY, VERY VALUABLE PIECE OF LAND. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU ARE RIGHT, IT'S AN EXTREMELY VALUABLE PIECE OF LAND, AND AFRICAN COMMUNITY, AND SO CONVERSATION, WE ARE NOT PROPOSED PREPARED TO HAVE IT TODAY. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE ARE PREPARED TO HAVE IT AND IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL IN SOLID WASTE. I JUST WANT TO PUT IN A OUT THERE TO THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THREE THINGS REAL QUICK. IN 2024, THE YEAR 2050 SEEMS A LONG WAY OFF, AND 26 YEARS AGO IN THE FUTURE, AND THE CITY OF TAMPA FROM WHAT I SAW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, HOW MUCH I HAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FACTUAL OR NOT. I SAW THAT YESTERDAY WHEN I WAS HAVING LUNCH WITH TWO GENTLEMEN. IF THAT'S THE TRUTH, ARE WE ANTICIPATING ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND 2050, BUT TEN YEARS FROM NOW, AND WHAT DO I NEED TO COVER THAT. AND SECONDLY, ARE WE LOOKING AT ALL THE CHARGES THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ON THESE RATE INCREASES? THEY SAY SUBSIDIES THAT TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES? SO ARE YOU LOOKING AT EXPENSES REGARDING SALARY, INSURANCE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, GROWING UP EVERY YEAR? I KNOW THE INSURANCE RATE IS SKY HIGH AND COULD BE HIGHER, BUT WE HAVE TAKEN OUR OWN RISK BY STARTING OUR OWN CLINICS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THIRDLY WHENEVER WE TALK ABOUT THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY IN A VERY POPULAR IN THE CITY BETWEEN DALE MABRY AND SPRUCE AND SO FORTH AND LOIS, ALL THAT AREA THERE, LET'S SAY $20 MILLION, BUT YOU ALSO ARE GOING TO HAVE FROM THE FUTURE OF THAT A LOT OF REVENUE AND AD VALREM TAX THAT WE ARE NOT COUNTING ON. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. THERE'S A LOT OF COSTS IN DOING THOSE THINGS ALSO. I KNOW THIS IS -- ARE WE THINKING OUT 2050, 2040, WHATEVER, AS TO WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND BE PREPARED? OTHERWISE IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION AND WE ARE. AND THAT IS -- THOSE ARE THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT HAVE LED US TO TODAY AS PART OF THE RATE STUDY, THE FEASIBILITY STUDY ASSOCIATED WITH THE RATE STUDY. AGAIN IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE TEAM UP WITH A CONSULTANT WHO IS OUR FINANCIAL ADVISER. I HAVE A GREAT TEAM, BUT TELLIS SPECIALIZES IN THIS LONG-TERM VIEW, AND TO SUM IT UP, EVERY X FACTOR WE CAN POSSIBLY COUNT -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THINKING LONG-TERM. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YES, TO THE BEST OF EVERYBODY'S ABILITY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO FOR THE PUBLIC THAT'S WATCHING AND THE NEWS REPORTERS THAT ARE WATCHING, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY AND THIS COUNCIL IS BASICALLY- BEING HANDED A BAG OF CRUD FROM OVER TEN YEARS OF NOT RAISING RATES, AND SHAME ON THAT, THAT NOW WE ARE FACED WITH THE DECISION AS A COUNCIL TO IMPOSE WHAT IS REALLY A HORRIBLE RIGHT INCREASE OVER A RELATIVELY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME ON THE INDIVIDUAL CITY OF TAMPA, BECAUSE AGAIN, COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THIS, AND APRIL 1st OF 2012, THERE'S A NEGLIGIBLE INCREASE FOR THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEN NOTHING NOR ALL THOSE OTHER YEARS. I KNOW WE HAD ECONOMIC CYCLES AND A PANDEMIC BUT WE KNOW THE COST OF EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP SKY HIGH OVER THE YEARS. I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON ASKED ABOUT OTHER NEEDS. WE ARE REALLY EVEN WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW WITH THE WASTE ENERGY PLANT IS PUTTING THAT TOGETHER WHEN IT'S NOT A COMPLETE REPLACEMENT AND THEN AS THE CITY GROWS IN 20 YEARS FROM NOW IT WON'T BE YOU AND I, CHARLIE. 20 YEARS FROM NOW SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO BE SITTING HERE FACED WITH THE DECISION TO BUILD AND INVEST A BILLION DOLLARS IN NEW WASTE ENERGY PLANT AND RIGHTFULLY SO, MR. WASHINGTON AND HIS CREW ARE TAKE POSITIVE STEPS TO PREPARE FOR THAT INEVITABILITY THROUGH LAND ACQUISITION AND OTHER THINGS TODAY SO PEOPLE MAYBE WON'T BE HOLDING THE SAME BAG OF WHATEVER 20 YEARS FROM NOW. BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE GREATER NEES AS THE CITY GROWS, AND THE INFRASTRUCTURES AGE. SO THIS ISN'T THE ANSWER THAT'S GOING TO SOLVE US THROUGH THE NEXTNUMBER OF YEARS, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE MORE TO COME. BUT I HATE THE FACT THAT I AM SITTING HERE NO SITUATION, AND IT'S A NO-WIN SITUATION. THE PLAN THAT OUR STAFF HAS PRESENTED IS REASONABLE AS FAR AS WHAT PEOPLE EXPECT FROM THE CITY. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE EXPECT THAT THEIR TRASH IS GOING TO BE COLLECTED AND THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROCESS IT IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY. I JUST LIKE TO EXPECT WATER AND ALL THE OTHER -- EXPECT THESE THINGS FROM THE CITY. THESE ARE BASIC CITY SERVICES. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF WE DEAL WITH IN THE CITY EVERY DAY IS A LOT OF WANTS. THIS IS A NEED. THIS IS BASIC WHAT THE CITY HAS TO PROVIDE. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. I HATE IT. I WISH THAT OVER THE LAST DECADE-PLUS THAT WE HAD HAD REASONABLE INCREASES SO WE WEREN'T FACED WITH THE DECISION WE ARE GOING TO BE FACED WITH TODAY, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS, AND WE WERE ELECTED TO MAKE THESE TOUGH DECISIONS, AND I AM GOING% TO POINT FINGERS BACKWARDS AND SAY, THIS IS WHY Y WE ARE HERE. IT'S NOT TODAY. THIS IS WHY WE ARE HERE. AND NOW WE ARE HAVING TO PAY FOR IT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: AND IF I COULT COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WAS SAYING ABOUT BEING ABLE TO MANAGE THE WASTE IN THE FUTURE SINCE WE HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE COMING INTO THE CITY. SO BUYING THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS ROUGHLY SIX ACRES, IS ALL WE CAN BUILD OWN RIGHT NOW, SO NOW WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SET UP DIFFERENT PROVISIONS TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN TAKE IN ALL THAT WASTE, SO WHETHER IT'S A MIXED WASTE FACILITY, WASTE ON THE FOREFRONT BEFORE IT GOES OVER TO THE WASTE ENERGY FACILITY, OR WE HAVE A FACILITY WHERE A RECYCLING FACILITY SO WE WILL HAVE ALL THAT WASTE ON THE FOREFRONT TO TAKE OUT SOME OF THE WASTE AND GOING TO THE WASTE ENERGY FACILITY WHICH TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN PROCESS ALL THE WASTE. AND ANTICIPATING ROUGHLY 3,000 TIMESSER YEAR AN THAT'S GARBAGE, THAT'S RECYCLABLESABLES AND THAT'S YARD WASTE INTO THE SYSTEM. SO WE HAVE A SPACE, TOO. >> I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WAS BETWEEN 20 AND 30 YEARS. >> OH, NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AND WE TALKED ABOUT HOW LONG THIS WAS GOING TO BUY US, AT LEAST 20 YEARS OF LIFE OUT OF THIS THING. >> AND THEN EXTEND THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO 20 YEARS FROM NOW. I'LL HOLD YOU TO THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S WRAP THIS UP. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. THEN COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >> LET'S BEAT THIS DEAD HORSE. [ LAUGHTER ] >>BILL CARLSON: IT WAS ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO IN THE BUDGET PROCESS THAT WE DISCOVERED THAT THE DEPARTMENT WAS LOSING MONEY AND I WILL OVERSIMPLIFY, BUT IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. TECHNICALLY, THE ENTERPRISE FUND WAS NOT LOSING MONEY, BUT SOLID WASTE WAS LOSING, AND THE DIFFERENCE WAS THAT THERE WAS -- AND I WON'T GET THE NUMBERS EXACTLY RIGHT BUT THERE WAS AN ENTERPRISE RESERVE FUND OF LIKE 20, 30 MILLION AND A LOSS OF 8 MILLION, SO WE WEREN'T SUBSIDIZING WITH THE GENERAL FUND YET BUT WE WERE SUBSIDIZING WITH THE FUND, AND THE SAME THING LAST YEAR. SO WITH HE WE SAW THAT WE STARTED PUSHING, AND THEN THIS RATE STUDY WHICH TOOK A LONG TIME WENT INTO THAT. BUT HAD WE JUST LOOKED AT IT FROM THE POINT OF VIEW, IS IT NEUTRAL FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUND WE STILL WOULD BE WAY BEHIND ON THIS. THE OTHER THING IS TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTY ON SPRUCE STREET AND I WISH THAT COUNCILMEMBER HENDERSON, BECAUSE YOU GREW UP IN THAT AREA, I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO PUT ON THE AGENDA SOMETIME A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW, WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT OUTSIDE BUT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW SENSITIVITIES AND THE EXPERIENCES THAT YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS HAVE HAD IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT WOULD BE LOVELY. THAT WOULD HAND OVER TO THE RACIAL COMMITTEE. >>BILL CARLSON: SO ONE OF THE SENSITIVITIES WE HAVE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WAIT A MINUTE, WE DIDN'T SAY WE WERE GOING TO SELL IT THEN. THAT WAS WHY I HAD TO CHIME IN ON -- BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT BELONGS TO THE AND WE GET -- TO THE CITY. AND WE GET TO DECIDE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH IT. >>BILL CARLSON: IT MAY NOT BE SOLD AS PART OF THIS BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO STAY IN ITS CURRENT FORM. ANYWAY, LET ME JUST TELL YOU THIS. WHEN WE -- JUST TO GIVE YOU THIS BECAUSE IT WON'T STAY WITH THE BROWNFIELD PROBLEMS IT HAS AND EVERYTHING. THE THING I WANT TO TELL YOU IS WHEN I FIRST FIRST BRIEFED, HE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU, BUT WHEN I WAS BRIEFED ON HANNA AVENUE 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO, THERE WERE TWO BUILDINGS FOR $100 MILLION GOING ON THAT SITE, A NEW ADMIN BUILDING AND A NEW POLICE STATION ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRACKS. THEN TO OFFSET THAT WE WOULD BE SELLING THE BLUE BUILDING HERE AND SELLING THE BUILDING ON SPRUCE, AND IF I RECALL SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT SPRUCE BUILDING I WAS TOLD AROUND 23 MILLION, THE BLUE BUILDING WAS LIKE 17, SO IT WOULD BE 100 MILLION FOR TWO BUILDINGS MINUS 40 MILLION. THEN WHEN IT CAME BACK THERE WAS 108 MILLION FOR ONE BUILDING, BUT WITH NO 40 MILLION OFFSET. AND THEN IT WENT UP FROM THERE TO 121, ET CETERA. THE POINT I AM MAKING IS WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THIS PROPERTY FOR AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. WE HAVE NOT HAD A SIT-DOWN CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. BUT IT'S NOT LIKE I AM BRICK IT UP FOR THE FIRST TIME. IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BUT USING THAT AS A CONTEXT, AND IN THAT ORIGINAL DISCUSSION ABOUT HANNA AVENUE, IT WAS PROMOTED AS AN OFFSET FOR HANNA AVENUE. MY CONCERN IS WHENEVER WE SELL OR LEASE IT FOR, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE AN OFFSET TO SOMETHING ELSE. I THINK IT IS A SOLID WASTE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT IN THE ENTERPRISE FUND, STILL A SOLID WASTE ASSET. THE OTHER THING, WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND THE PRICE STARTED ESCALATING, I ASKED, IS THERE A 30 YEAR PLAN? AND SOME PEOPLE IN PUBLIC WORKS LAUGHED AND SAID WE DON'T DO 30 YEAR PLANS IN GOVERNMENT BUT I ACTUALLY CLASS AND KNOW THAT HAPPENS. THERE WAS NO 20 YEAR PLAN AND THEREBY WASN'T REALLY EVEN A 10 YEAR PLAN. SO WHAT WE HAVE GOTTEN OVERSOMETIME IS BUDGETS. I WOULD REALLY LIKE A WRITTEN PLAN, A 30 YEAR PLAN TO GO TO COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN'S POINTED, A 30 YEAR PLAN. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO RE REPLACE OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS AGO? AND IF YOU BUY A USED CAR YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW LONG THE TRANSMISSION IS GOING TO LAST, AND WE NEED TO KNOW THAT ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE BONDING OUT 30 YEARS. WE BOND OUT A BIG NUMBER, BUT WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT CERTAIN THINGS ARE GOING TO BREAK DOWN, OR WE HAVE TO EXPAND, THEN WE ARE GOING TO GET STUCK AND SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO ASK FOR MORE BOND IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR TODAY, BUT I WOULD AT SOME POINT LIKE TO SEE A 30 YEAR PLAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU FOR THE LAST TIME. LOOK, THE VEHICLES TO IF I CAN UP THE GARBAGE, THE VEHICLES THAT PICK UP THE GARBAGE USED TO BE $360,000 PLUS AND NOW IT'S $489,000 PLUS OR AN CREASE OF 345.5 PERCENT JUST THE GARBAGE CONTAINERS, THE BLUE AND GREEN RUN ONES. THEY USED TO BE 44.50. NOW 64 OR 27.4% INCREASE. THE CONTAINER BOXES, THOSE METAL BOXES THAT YOU SEE ABOUT SIX BY EIGHT OR WHATEVER SIZE IT IS IN 2019 WERE $795. NOW THEY ARE 1580, ORB 8.7% INCREASE. AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME -- THE ENTERPRISE FUND WITH THOSE FOR THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON TO FUND THE SYSTEM. THERE WAS ONLY ONE EXCEPTION. WAY BACK 20 YEARS AGO, WE WANTED $2. THERE WAS 500 SOME ODD THOUSAND WATER CUSTOMERS, $2 A MONTH FOR WATER AND TWO FOR TREATMENT FOR THE LINES UNDERGROUND. THEY WERE ALREADY 60, 70, 80 YEARS OLD. WE DIDN'T DO THAT UNTIL LATER BUT NOW WE DID IT AND NOW WE ARE COLLECTING 53% UNPAID MONEY IN DASH CASH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOEN UP TO $6 FOR EACH ONE, TO DO THE PIPES WHICH IS 2 MONTE 9 BILLION DOLLARS. SO GOVERNMENT DOES WORK WHEN IT THINKS AHEAD BUT WE JUST HAVE TO KEEP AHEAD OF THE CURVE AND THAT'S HOW IT IS, AND WE ARE GOING TO FINANCE 49% OF IT BY IS FINE OF THE I DON'T KNOW LIKE IT BUT WE HAVE TO DO IT. I MOVE THE RESOLUTION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 27 FIRST? >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE WOULD PREFER THE RATE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT IS 27. >> WE ALL NEED TO BE MANUFACTURING BLUE TRASH CANS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 27. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE IT? >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL MOVE ITEM 27. >> A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN YOU ARE TAN, SECONDED BY HENDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T SUPPORT THIS OR THE BONDING IN THE CURRENT FORM SO I AM GOING TO SAY NAY. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO. >>BILL CARLSON: WE JUST PASS IT SO WE DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH IT RIGHT NOW. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: I SAID THERE ARE LOTS OF OPTIONS BUT -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OH, I SEE. YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER THEN. I'M SERIOUS. I'M NOT PLAYING AROUND. >>BILL CARLSON: NO, I HAVE PLENTY OF ANSWERS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU FIND OUT. >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST PROPOSED SEVERAL OF THEM INCLUDING OFFSETTING THAT BUILDING. BUT I DON'T SUPPORT THE CURRENT FORM. I THINK WE NEED TO CONTROL COSTS AND WE ALSO NEED TO CONTROL DEBT. AND I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: READ THE VOTE PLEASE. >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND ITEM NUMBER 87: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA MOVING 87. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WILL MOVE 87. UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, ALTHOUGH I MAY NOT BE 100% IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS, IT HAS TO BE DONE. THERE'S NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE. WHEN IT RAINS YOU ADOPT GET MONEY. YOU GET FLOODED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WITH A SECOND BY VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY MOVED? >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 88. STAFF WAS REQUESTED. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO MOVED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR? WE ARE STILL IN A MEETING. NUMBER 89. CAN I GET A MOTION TO MOVE IT? MOTION BY HURTAK, SECONDED BY MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 90. MOTION FROM HENDERSON, SECOND BY VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ITEM NUMBER 91 WAS CONTINUED. BY REQUEST WE ARE GOING TO TAKE ITEM NUMBER 99. AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO MR. SHELBY. ANDREA ZELMAN, CITY ATTORNEY. ITEM 99. AND NO VOTE IS TAKEN TODAY. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: INFORMATIONAL. DON'T FORGET NUMBER 98 ALSO. BUT WHATEVER ORDER YOU WANT TO TAKE THEM IN IS FINE WITH ME. AND I DO HAVE A PowerPoint. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, WE HAVE IT COMING UP. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: AND I WILL TRY TO MAKE IT BRIEF. I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN HEARING A LOT ABOUT THIS. AND HOPE HOPEFULLY REVIEW THIS. IT HASN'T COME UP YET. I DON'T SEE IT HERE. SO QUICKLY, YOU HAD ASKED US TO JUST REPORT ON THE IMPACT OF HOWE HOUSE BILL 601, WHICH IS ACTUALLY NOW BEEN CODIFIED, AND BEEN APPROVED, BEEN SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR AND IT WILL TAKE EFFECT JULY 1st. SO THE MAIN REASON, I WILL SKIP THE LEGISLATIVE INTENT. YOU ALREADY HEARD FROM ONE OF THE LEGISLATORS TODAY. SO THIS IS THE PROVISION THAT HAS GENERATED A LOT OF CONFUSION, SO I WANT TO TRY TO EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU MORE CLEARLY. IT IS CORRECT, THIS IS THE PART OF THE BILL THAT NOW PROHIBITS THE CITY FROM ENFORCING AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD DO ONE OF TWO THINGS, ALLOW THE CRB TO RECEIVE PROCESS, INVESTIGATE COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT BY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, AND AS A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID, OUR BOARD DOES NOT CONDUCT ITS OWN INVESTIGATIONS. THEY DO RECEIVE COMPLAINTS, BUT THEY DON'T CONDUCT INVESTIGATIONS. WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT THEY DO. HOWEVER, THE SECOND PART OF THAT PART OF THE BILL THAT I PUT IN BOLDFACE REFERS TO CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES' INVESTIGATIONS OF COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT BY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OR CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS. AND THE BILL AGAIN SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT AS OF JULY 1st, WE CANNOT ENFORCE AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR SUCH CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: EVEN CLOSED CASES AS -- >>ANDREA ZELMAN: CORRECT. AND THIS IS THE SLIDE THAT JAMES MICHAEL SHAW REFERRED TO EARLIER. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A SCREEN SHOT OF A VIDEO. WHEN YOU GO TO THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT WHICH IS A NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT AGENCIES, SUCH AS THE ONE THAT THE CITY CRB, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A VIDEO CALLED CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT 101, AND THIS IS WHERE THEY ARE DEFINING WHAT OVERSIGHT IS. AND IF YOU READ IT, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO READ. INVESTIGATES, AUDITS, OR REVIEWS INTERNAL LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATIONS OR PROCESSES, INCLUDING COMMUNITY COMPLAINTS AND USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS, CONDUCTS ONGOING MONITORING OF POLICIES, PROCEDURES, ET CETERA, AND INCLUDES ANY AGENCY THAT HAS CIVILIANS DOING IT. AGAIN, THE REVIEW OF INTERNAL LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATIONS IS CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK THE KEY WORD IS REVIEW. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: REVIEWING CIVILIAN -- IT IS THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION. IT'S THE ONE THAT THE CO-SPONSOR OF THE BILL REFERENCED IN THE STAFF ANALYSIS FROM THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR. SO AGAIN, IT'S SILLY TO ARGUE ABOUT IS A REVIEW OF A CLOSED INVESTIGATION OVERSIGHT? BECAUSE AGAIN, EVERYONE IN THE CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT WORLD KNOWS THAT, YES, IN FACT THAT IS WHAT OVERSIGHT INCLUDES OF THE SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU HAVE SEEN THIS SLIDE NOW. THIS WAS ACTUALLY WHAT THE REPRESENTATIVE WHO WAS HERE EARLIER READ TO YOU, THE DEFINITION OF A CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT AGENCY, THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE LEGISLATIVE STAFF ANALYSIS. YOU WILL ALSO FIND THAT THERE WAS A FAMOUS FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY STUDY OF THE EFFECTIVENESS OF CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT AGENCIES IN FLORIDA. TAMPA IS LISTED AS A CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT AGENCY IN THAT ARTICLE OF THE AND THIS IS SORT OF WHAT I CONSIDER THE KEY SLIDE, IS WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT OUR ORDINANCE, WHICH IS ORDINANCE OR CHAPTER NUMBER 1-8 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE, AND THESE ARE THE CRBs DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AS OUTLINED IN OUR CODE. REVIEWING CLOSED INVESTIGATIONS. AGAIN, EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED NOW AS OF JULY 1st BY FLORIDA STATUTE, PARTICIPATED IN THE HIRING PROCESS, NOT PROHIBITED, HOWEVER, THAT HAS PROVEN TO BE SOMEWHAT PROBLEMATIC. MY UNDERSTANDING -- AND I APOLOGIZE, I MEANT TO INTRODUCE -- I HAVE WITH ME TODAY CAMARIA PETTIS MICHAEL AND MIKE SCHMID. MIKE HAS WORKED WITH THE DR. RB SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 12015. CAMARIA HAS BEEN THE ATTORNEY FOR THE BOARD FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. AND SO WHAT THEY HAVE EXPLAINED TO ME, BECAUSE AGAIN THEY WORK MUCH MORE CLOSELY WITH THE BOARD, IS THIS PART OF THE CODE HAS BEEN KIND OF DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT BECAUSE WHEN TPD CONDUCTS HIRING, IT'S AN ALL-DAY AFFAIR, AND SO IT HAS PROVEN DIFFICULT TO FIND -- THIS IS A VOLUNTEER BOARD MANY OF WHOM HAVE JOBS, AND SO IT'S HARD TO GET FOLKS TO WANT TO GIVE UP A WHOLE DAY TO SIT IN ON THE INTERVIEW PANELS. SO I THINK STATISTICALLY, IN 2023, CURRENT HAS 31 HIRING PANEL INTERVIEWS, AND THEY HAD A MEMBER OF THE CRB PARTICIPATE IN 17 OF THOSE, BUT 14 THERE WAS NO CRA MEMBER PRESENT, AND AGAIN NOT TO CRITICIZE THE MEMBERS, THAT'S A WHOLE DAY OUT OF THEIR LIFE, BUT IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TO IMPLEMENT AND ENFORCE THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE. GOING TO THE NEXT DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY, COMPLAINT FILING AND TRACKING SYSTEM. AGAIN, PROHIBITED BY THE NEW BILL. ONE OF THE OTHER DUTIES IS TO CONDUCT AN ANNUAL COMMUNITY SURVEY, BUT THE ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT'S TO OBTAIN FEEDBACK REGARDING THE DEPARTMENT AND ITS POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. AS I WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT IN A MINUTE, THE BILL TALKS ABOUT CREATING A NEW BOARD THAT WOULD REVIEW POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, SO AGAIN THAT PART OF THEIR DUTIES HAS NOW BEEN EFFECTIVELY PREEMPTED TOTAL NEW BOARD, AGAIN REVIEW OF COMPLETED CASES NOT ALLOWED ANYMORE AS OF JULY 1st. REVIEW OF MATTERS OF IMPORTANCE OR INTEREST. AGAIN, THAT'S RELATING TO A CLOSED INVESTIGATION, THAT'S NOW PREEMPTED BY THE STATUTE. ANOTHER IMPORTANT STATISTIC, MIKE COMPILED THIS FOR US, THE BOARD EFFECTIVELY STARTED MEETING IN 2016, AND BASICALLY AT 83% OF THEIR MEETINGS, THE BOARD ADDRESSED ONLY THE REVIEW OF CLOSED INVESTIGATIONS. SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEIR TIME HAS BEEN SPENT DOING SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE NOW PROHIBITED FROM DOING, AS OF JULY 1st. SILVER LINING, IF YOU WILL, IS THAT THE LEGISLATURE DID SAY THAT POLICE CHIEFS AND CITY SHERIFFS IN COUNTIES, THEY NOW CREATE A NEW BOARD. HOWEVER, IN OUR CASE IT WOULD BE THE POLICE CHIEF THAT WOULD PICK THE MEMBERS, NONE OF THE MAYOR OR CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE ANY IS SAY IN THAT. IT'S A 7-MEMBER BOARD, ONE OF WHOM MUST BE A RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, AND AGAIN EXPRESSED PURPOSE IS TO REVIEW POLICIES AND PROCEDURES OF THE OFFICE -- I MEAN OF THE DEPARTMENT, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THIS WOULD BE A SUNSHINE BOARD, SO THE PUBLIC WOULD BE ABLE TO ATTEND MEETINGS, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. IT'S NOT JUST SOME COMMITTEE THAT WOULD MEET IN THE RECESSES OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THE CHIEF AND NO ONE ELSE. BUT AGAIN THAT'S THE NEW OVERSIGHT BOARD THAT COULD BE CREATED, AND CHIEF BURR COULD HAVE WHEN CAMARIA PRESENTED THIS PRESENTATION TO THE CRB ASKED HER TO SAY THAT THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT IS COMMITTED TO TRANSPARENCY, AND WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE THE SAFER TOGETHER AND LOOKS FORWARD TO ESTABLISHING A NEW BOARD AND HAS ENCOURAGED THE EXISTING BOARD MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE. BERCAW. WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT OTHER CITIES, AND SO STAR TO DATE, EVERY CITY THAT MIKE HAS CONTACTED HAS -- THEIR BOARDS HAVE STOPPED MEETING. OUR BOARD HAS CONNEDED TO MEET EVEN AFTER THIS BILL WAS PASSED, BUT HE'S TALKED TO TALLAHASSEE, MIAMI, NORTH MIAMI WE FOUND THEIR INFORMATION ONLINE, SARASOTA ORLANDO ST. PETERSBURG. EVERYONE HE HAS TALKED TO SO FAR THAT'S WORKING WITH THEIR OWN SIMILAR REVIEW BOARD IS IN THE PROCESS OF REPEALING THEIR ORDINANCE. THEY DON'T FEEL THAT THE NEW BILL GIVES THEM ANY OTHER CHOICE. THE MIAMI BOARD THAT WE ALL HEARD SO MUCH ABOUT, THEY ACTUALLY, I THINK, HAVE LIKE A $2 MILLION BUDGET AND FULL TIME STAFF, THEY HAVE DISBANDED. SO THIS ISN'T A QUESTION OF OUR OFFICE DISAGREEING WITH THE ACLU AND HAVING A FIGHT OVER LEGAL INTERPRETATION. THIS IS TO DATE -- WE HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANYONE IN THE STATE WHO FEELS OTHER THAN WE DO, AND THAT IS THAT WE REALLY HAVE NO CHOICE IN THIS MATTER. THE LEGISLATURE HAS GIVEN US NO CHOICE. BUT TO STOP OUR BOARD, WE CANNOT AGAIN, AS OF JULY 1st, WE CAN'T ENFORCE AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD ALLOW THE CRB TO DO THAT WHICH THEY ARE NOW PROHIBITED FROM DOING. SO IT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE REPEAL OUR ORDINANCE. OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH THAT. THAT'S A LEGISLATIVE ACTION. BUT IT'S CLEAR THAT AS OF JULY 1st WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT AS CURRENTLY WRITTEN. SO I'M HAPPY -- OH, I WANTED TO CLEAR UP A COUPLE OF OTHER COMMENTS BASED ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY. THE ACLU ATTORNEY THAT SPOKE TALKED ABOUT, WELL, THE STATUTE SAYS YOU CAN'T ENFORCE AN ORDINANCE, BUT THE CRB IN TAMPA WAS CREATED BY EXECUTIVE ORDER. THAT'S VERY MISLEADING. YES, IN 2015 THERE WAS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER. HOWEVER THE 2015 COUNCIL THEN CODIFIED IT BY ORDINANCE. IN 2021. AGAIN, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CRB, THE ORIGINAL CRB ORDINANCE, AND THERE WAS LANGUAGE EXPRESSLY SUPERSEDING WHAT HAD HAPPENED IN 2015. SO OUR CRB IS A CREATION OF ORDINANCE, BUT IT OPERATES UNDER AN ORDINANCE. AGAIN AS OF JULY 1st, WE CAN'T ENFORCE THAT ORDINANCE. SO THAT WAS REALLY -- I'M SORRY TO BE RUSHING BUT I KNOW IT'S THE END OF THE DAY, SO I AM GLAD TO SLOW DOWN AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE MR. ALBERT COOK IN THE AUDIENCE WHO SERVED ON THE BOARD FOR A WHILE. YOU KNOW, IT'S A VOLUNTEER BOARD BUT HE COMMIT ADD LOT OF YOUR TIME. I WANT TO SAY WE APPRECIATE YOU SIR AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THANK YOU. AND THAT REMINDED ME OF ONE MORE THING I WANTED TO SAY. I DO WANT TO SAY, I TALKED TO MIKE ABOUT THIS. I SAW MIKE SPEAK VERY EMOTIONALLY ABOUT THIS AND CAMARIA AS WELL, AND I HAVE WATCHED SEVERAL OF THE CRB MEETINGS. THEY ARE VERY SINCERE. THEY ARE VERY PASSIONATE. WE ARE VERY LUCKY TO HAVE PEOPLE LIKE THAT THAT VOLUNTEER. I THINK THIS BOARD DESERVES THE ACCOLADES FOR ALL THE WORK THEY HAVE PUT IN OVER THE YEARS ARE AND WATCHING THEM REALLY IS QUITE INTERESTING. THEY TAKE WHAT THEY DO VERY SERIOUSLY. AND I THINK DO A VERY GOOD JOB. AND I WANTED TO SAY THAT. AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY, I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE I SAW THIS, BUT SOMEONE -- OH, I KNOW, ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS THAT SPOKE AT THE CRB IMPLIED THAT THE CITY ADMINISTRATION WAS BEHIND THIS OR WAS HAPPY ABOUT THIS OUTCOME. I CAN TELL YOU FROM BEING THE PERSON WHO ORIGINALLY TOLD THE MAYOR WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THIS BILL, WHAT THE IMPACT OF THIS BILL WOULD BE, AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE DRAMATIC BUT HER FACE FELL AND SHE SAID THAT IS A REAL SHAME BECAUSE I REALLY BELIEVE THIS BOARD WENT A LONG WAY IN BUILDING UP TRUST FROM THE COMMUNITY AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND EVERYONE I HAVE TALKED TO, CAMARIA WORKED WITH THE BOARD AND THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO WORKED WITH THE BOARD HAVE, SAID SIMILAR THINGS. SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. SO I'M SORRY, HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, MS. ZELMAN, TO ARE YOUR VERY DETAILED PRESENT PRESENTATION. I'M GLAD YOU ENDED ON THAT WHICH IS -- FIRST BEFORE I GO INTO IT, I'M GLAD THAT CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO MENTIONED A PAST MEMBER OF THE BOARD. WE HAVE HAD SOME GREAT CAMPAIGNS ON THE BOARD, SALCINES, COLONEL CJ REYES. MANY OF YOU KNOW LINCOLN. HE IS LIKE A WONDERFUL GUY, ACADEMY PREP. I HAVE KNOWN LINCOLN FOR 20, 25 YEARS AND JUST ONE OF THE FINEST PEOPLE I KNOW, ET CETERA. SO REALLY, REALLY GOOD PEOPLE. BUT WE DO START WITH THE PREMISE THAT OUR HANDS ARE TIED ON THIS. WHETHER WE SUPPORT THIS OR NOT. OBVIOUSLY, I WILL SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND SAYING IF I WAS IN THE LEGISLATURE, I WOULD HAVE VOTED IN A ON THIS LEGISLATION. I THINK IT'S AWFUL. I THINK THAT WHAT THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS AND HAD IS SOMETHING THAT IS PART OF A LARGER VISION ON SOMETHING CONSISTENT WITH THE VALUES OF COMMUNITY POLICING, NOT THE RADICAL TERM COMMUNITY CONTROL OF POLICE. I THINK PORTLAND, MINNEAPOLIS, I DON'T SUPPORT THAT. BUT GETTING THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT. HAVING BOARDS LIKE THIS THAT ARE SENSIBLE, THAT ARE SENSIBLE. HAVING THINGS LIKE THE TRADITIONAL IDEA OF COMMUNITY POLICE AND GOING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY, CHIEF BERCAW HAD A WONDERFUL OP-ED IN THE "TAMPA BAY TIMES" THIS MORNING, AND WHAT COPS SIGNED UP TO DO, I REMEMBER WHEN THE ISSUE OF THE SO-CALLED CRIME FREE HOUSING ISSUE CAME UP, AND SPEAKING TO BE A POLICE OFFICER, I ALWAYS ONE OF MY FAVORITE PARTS OF THE JOB IS ALWAYS TALKING TO FIRST RESPONDERS, COPS AND FIREFIGHTERS AT A PBA EVENT AND SOMEBODY READ BEING THAT HE SHALL YOU AND SAYING. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DIDN'T SIGN UP TO DO THAT, BECAUSE THEY SIGNED UP BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HELP THE COMMUNITY. BUT GETTING THE COMMUNITY REALLY, REALLY INVOLVED. SO FOR ME, THIS LEGISLATION IS SOMETHING THAT INTRUDES ON LOCAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL, ON A VERY, VERY SENSITIVE ISSUE. AND I WOULD HAVE VOTED AGAINST IT. BUT OUR HANDS ARE TIED. AND TO SAY OTHERWISE, I FIND IN A SUPPORT, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, AND PEOPLE THAT DISAGREE, I FIND NO SUPPORT TO SAY OTHERWISE RIGHT NOW. I THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR IN TERMS OF GOING FORWARD ON THIS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO. I THINK ON THIS COUNCIL, IN FACT, WE ACTUALLY -- THERE WERE SOME CHANGES TO THE CRB THAT WERE PROPOSED THAT I FOUND TO BE NOT THE BEST, SUBPOENA POWER. I HAD MAJOR ISSUES WITH HAVING CONCURRENT SUBPOENA POWER FROM POTENTIALLY ONGOING CRIMINAL CASE IN CIRCUIT COURT AND WITH THE BOARD, BUT IN LOOKING AT A SEPARATE ATTORNEY WITH THE BOARD, IT IS A PRIVATE SECTOR ATTORNEY, I VOTED TO SUPPORT THAT AND IT PASSED 4-3 SO THERE WERE SOME IMPROVEMENT TO THE BOARD BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THE BOARD. AND I THINK IF WE WERE TO TAKE A VOTE UP HERE, ON THE LEGISLATURE, WE WOULD HAVE HE ALL VOTED AGAINST THIS. UNFORTUNATELY THIS TIES OUR HANDS. SO AGAIN MS. DELL STAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK. SOMETIMES IT'S -- ZELMAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK. BUT THAT'S PART OF THE ATTORNEY'S JOB. SO THANK YOU. >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST FOR THE PUBLIC OR ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T KNOW, IN 2015, "TAMPA BAY TIMES" DID AN INVESTIGATIVE STORY THAT WAS THEN CALLED BIKING WHILE BLACK, AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY CAME FORWARD. I WAS WASN'T ON THE COUNCIL YET. I WAS AN ACTIVIST AND BUSINESS PERSON BUT MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY CAME FORWARD AND WANTED TO STOP THAT POLICY THAT THEY CONSIDERED RACIST AND OPPRESSIVE. AND THERE WERE 22 CIVIL RIGHTS GROUPS GOT TOLLING, ACLA WAS ONE OF THEM, BUT THERE WERE 22 AND THEY WENT TO THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL AND TRIED TO STOP IT. THEY GOT INTENSE PUSHBACK SO THEY STARTED LOOKING FOR OTHER REMEDIES, AND THEY WENT TO CITY COUNCIL, AND ASKED FOR A CRB. AND THERE WAS A BIG FIGHT OVER THAT WHICH EVERYBODY REMEMBERS, BUT THE IDEA WAS IF THEY DOESN'T STOP THE RACIST POLICIES AT THE MAYOR LEVEL THEY WOULD STOP IT AT THE POLICE OFFICER LEVEL. I WAS IN FAVOR AT THE TIME, AND I HAVE WORKED TO SUPPORT THE CRB OVER THE YEARS. THE PREMISE I THINK WAS ALWAYS A BIT OFF BECAUSE THE PROBLEM WITH BIKING WHILE BLACK DIDN'T COME FROM INDIVIDUAL POLICE OFFICERS, IT CAME FROM THE TOP. SO THEN AS WE ROLLED FORWARD, IT CHANGED SOME OVERTIME BUT THEN THE "TAMPA BAY TIMES" DID ANOTHER INVESTIGATION. THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO THINGS THEY FOUND. BUT THEY FOUND RENTING WHILE BLACK. BIKING WHILE BLACK CONDEMNED THE POLICY AS VIOLATING CIVIL RIGHTS. RENTING WHILE BLACK AS FAR AS I KNOW AFTER TWO OR THREE YEARS THE DOJ IS STILL INVESTIGATING FOR CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. AND SO THESE ARE BIG CONCERNS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS. WE CAN'T GO BACK TO 2019 OR 2015. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS. AND I THINK THIS ADMINISTRATION FOR THE MOST PART HAS WORKED WITH CITY COUNCIL, AND THE COMMUNITY. I I REMEMBER A CONVERSATION WITH JAMES SHAW ON THE PHONE, BEGIN A, THE FORMER CITY ATTORNEY, AND THE MAYOR WAS OKAY WITH THOSE CONVERSATIONS GOING ON AND ALLOWED CHANGES TO BE MADE THAT WOULD HELP PROTECT CITIZENS, AND THE MAYOR WORKING WITH POLICE CHIEFS AS CHIEF BERCAW SAID GOT RID OF BICYCLE BIKING WHILE BLACK AND RENTING WHILE BLACK. I THINK WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS AND THAT TAKES AWAY SOME OF THE NEED FOR THIS ALTHOUGH THERE'S ALWAYS A NEED TO WATCH OUT. MY POINT IS I HAVE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS FOR YEARS, BUT ESPECIALLY STARTING WITH THAT INCIDENT IN 2015 AND WORKED TO GET RID OF THESE POLICIES THAT THE DOJ CONDEMNED, BUT YOU HEARD THE STATE REPRESENTATIVE THIS MORNING. HE BELIEVES AND HIS COLLEAGUES BELIEVE THAT THIS IS VERY TIGHT AND THAT THE LEGISLATION SHUTS DOWN THE CRB. AND HE SAID AT THE END, AND I ASKED HIM TO SAY THIS BECAUSE I FIGURED THAT WAS HIS POLICY, I SAID IF IT'S TRUE SAY IT. AND SAID IF YOU ALL FIND SOME WAY NARROWLY TO KEEP IT UP, I MAY GO BACK AND CHANGE THE LEGISLATION AGAIN. THEREFORE, IT'S A WASTE OF TIME TO MOVE FORWARD. AND I DON'T WANT GOOD PEOPLE LIKE THE GENTLEMAN IN THE AUDIENCE, THE OTHER GOOD PEOPLE ON THE BOARD, TO WASTE THEIR TIME. I DON'T WANT TO WASTE LEGAL TIME AND OTHERS FIGHTING THIS. I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS THAT COULD BE -- AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE 22 CIVIL RIGHTS GROUPS TO RECONVENE. MAYBE THERE'S A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO PREVENT CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I THINK THAT THERE HAVE GOT TO BE OTHER SOLUTIONS TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC OTHER THAN THIS, WHICH IS NOW ILLEGAL, LIKE MY COLLEAGUES SAID, IF I WAS AT THE LEGISLATURE I WOULD HAVE VOTED AGAINST THAT LEGISLATION, BUT NOW THAT IT'S THERE AND THEY ARE DETERMINED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS GOES A I, WHAT IT'S A WASTE OF CITY TIME AND RESOURCES TO KEEP IT GOING. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. ZELMAN. WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: AGAIN THE NEXT STEP, AND WE WILL BRING YOU BACK AN ORDINANCE, WE WILL HAVE TO BRING BACK AND ORDINANCE BE REPEALING THIS. IF NO ONE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO BRING IT BACK? >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IF YOU WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR US TO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE REPEALING. >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL MAKE A WITH A DRAFT ORDINANCE. WHAT DATE? OH, FIRST READING? >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YES. >> JULY 18th? WE COULD DO IT FOR THE JUNE 20th MEETING. >>BILL CARLSON: THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT IF EVERYBODY HASN'T WATCHED THIS. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO WE ARE GETTING THE BUDGET PRESENTATION ON JULY 18th? >>ANDREA ZELMAN: JULY 1st IS WHEN WE CAN NO ALLOW THE BOARD TO GO FORWARD AND BUT OTHER CITIES PRIOR TO REPEALING THE ORDINANCE, SO THAT MAY BE WHAT WE'LL HAVE. >>BILL CARLSON: I MAKE A MOTION TO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING ON AUGUST 1st, AND AGAIN, FOR COMMENT, FOR ANYBODY WATCHING, I WOULD NOT DO THIS OTHER THAN FOR THE LEGISLATION. IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE TO CONTINUE THIS AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. >>GWEN HENDERSON: AND TO CONCLUDE TO ALSO NOT MOVE FORWARD. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >>LUIS VIERA: IF IT CEASES BY JULY 1st. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT'S NOT NECESSARY? >>BILL CARLSON: MY MOTION FAILED FOR LACK OF A SECOND. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: NO, I MEAN THERE'S A MEETING SCHEDULED IN JUNE. WOULD YOU LIKE THE COUNCIL TO ASK US TO CANCEL THAT MECHANIC? I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A CLEAR STATEMENT, YOU CREATED THE BOARD, JUST TO DIRECT US FOE NOTIFY THE BOARD THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CANCEL THE JUNE MEETING. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE JUST DO A SEPARATE MOTION AND PASS THE FIRST ONE FIRST? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE FIRST MOTION IS TO COME BACK WITH A FIRST READING AUGUST 1st. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? AND THEN THE SECOND MOTION IS TO ASK FOR THE NEXT MEETING TO BE CANCELED. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: TO ASK STAFF TO CANCEL THE JUNE CRB MEETING. >>GWEN HENDERSON: JUNE 25th. >> [OFF MICROPHONE] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THAT A MOTION? ALL MEETINGS UNTIL THE ISSUE IS RESOLVED. THE SECOND IS FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? >>BILL CARLSON: AND THEN WE NEED SOME WAY TO THANK THEM,. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH HURTAK VOTING NO. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THAT WOULD BE A NICE GESTURE, TO THANK THEM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN DO IT UNDER NEW BUSINESS. NEXT UP IS -- >> NUMBER 98 AS WELL. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: CITY ATTORNEY. IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO DO THE RULES FIRST AND THEN THE RESIDENCY THING OR THE RESIDENCY AND THEN THE RULES. I THINK THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE LEFT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE ARE GOING TO GO TO NUMBER 98. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO WE ARE GOING TO DO RESIDENCY FIRST. SORRY. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: SO THIS IS HOPEFULLY YOU ALL READ, I DID A BRIEF MEMO IN RESPONSE TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S MOTION, AND REALLY THE GIST OF WHAT SHE WAS ASKING ME, AND CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, IS WHAT COULD WE DO SHORT OF A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CITY EMPLOYEES TO WHOM THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS APPLY. JUST TO PUT IT ON THE TABLE, I HATE TO EVEN SUGGEST THIS, IF YOU WANTED TO DO A CHARTER AMENDMENT, THERE IS TIME. WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IT PRETTY MUCH IMMEDIATELY TO GET IT ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT. BUT IT WOULD BE THE CLEANEST AND NEATEST WAY TO CHANGE THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT IS THE THAT IS COUNCIL'S DESIRE. OTHERWISE, WHAT THE MEMO PROVIDES, SOME OTHER WAYS TO DO IT, TO AT LEAST SHRINK THE NUMBER, BECAUSE AGAIN, JUST TO START AT THE BEGINNING, WHAT OUR CHARTER PROVIDES -- THE ELMO -- CAN YOU SEE THAT? NOT YET. THERE WE GO. SO I BROKE IT. THAT SECTION 6.01 OF THE CITY OF TAMPA CHARTER. WHAT THE CHARTER SPECIFICALLY SAYS, I WILL READ THE KEY, THE PERTINENT PROVISIONS, IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY SHALL BE CONDUCTED BY THE FOLLOWING NAMED OFFICERS AND BOARDS. THE MAYOR, THE CIY COUNCIL, CITY CLERK, CITY ATTORNEY, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, AN INTERNAL AUDITOR, A POLICE CHIEF, A FIRE CHIEF, AND THEN WE GET INTO THE BOARDS. I'LL SKIP THOSE. AND ALL SAID OFFICERS AND MEMBERS SHALL BE RESIDENTS AND ELECTORS OF THE CITY. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AGAIN, ELECTORS MEANS THAT YOU ARE REGISTERED TO VOTE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. THIS GOES ON TO SAY THAT THE MAYOR MAY CREATE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, AND THE HEADS OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS ALSO MUST BE RESIDENTS AND ELECTORS OF THE CITY, AND THEN AS I MENTIONED IN THE MEMO, THERE'S THE OTHER PROVISION OF THE CHARTER SECTION 6.03 THAT TALKS ABOUT WHO MUST BE APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL. THE MAYOR NOMINATES, CITY COUNCIL APPOINTS, AS OF THE LAST CHARTER CHANGE, AND THAT'S ANY DEPARTMENT HEADS, AS WELL AS ANYONE WITH AUTHORITY EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THAT OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS. SO SINCE MAYOR CASTOR TOOK OFFICE, OUR OFFICE HAS READ THAT LIBERALLY, AND BY LIBERALLY I MEAN IN A BROAD SENSE AND SAID, WELL, SINCE PEOPLE THAT ARE EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN, HAVE AUTHORITY EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN A DEPARTMENT HEAD HAVE TO BE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL, AND SINCE DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE TO LIVE IN THE CITY, THEN ANYONE THAT HAS TO BE APPOINTED SHALL ALSO HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT. WE WERE TRYING TO INTERPRET THAT IN THE SPIRIT WE THOUGHT CITY COUNCIL WANTED US TO GO, AND ONE OF THE EASIEST WAYS TO SHRINK THE NUMBER IS STOP LOOKING AT IT THAT WAY AND SAY ONLY THOSE INDIVIDUALS NAMED IN 6.01 OF THE CHARTER, AND THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY DEPARTMENT HEADS SHOULD HAVE TO MEET THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS OF 6.01. THAT CAN STILL GET A LITTLE WOBBLY IN THE SENSE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEPARTMENTS, AND SO ARE VERY LARGE DEPARTMENTS, SOME ARE DEPARTMENTS OF A FEW PEOPLE. SO THEN YOU GET TO THE QUESTION OF, WELL, IF SOMEONE IS THE HEAD OF A DEPARTMENT OF TWO OR THREE PEOPLE, YES, THE HEAD OF THAT DEPARTMENT, BUT ARE THEY REALLY THE TYPE OF DEPARTMENT HEAD THAT THIS RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT WAS INTENDED TO APPLY TO? AND LET ME PAUSE FOR A MINUTE, SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ANCIENT HISTORY. YOU WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT SOME OF THE HISTORY, AND I THINK MANY OF YOU KNOW I WORKED HERE DURING THE GRECO ADMINISTRATION. I DON'T KNOW, THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT WERE IN EFFECT, BUT I DON'T HONESTLY KNOW THAT ANYONE PAID PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO THEM. SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER EVERYONE WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LIVING IN THE CITY WAS LIVING IN THE CITY. I JUST DON'T REALLY KNOW. MAYBE CHARLIE KNOWS. WHEN MAYOR IORIO WAS IN OFFICE, THERE WAS A "TAMPA BAY TIMES" STORY AT THE TIME ABOUT A PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT HEAD WHO WASN'T LIVING IN THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT CAME OF IT. THAT PERSON CONTINUED IN HER JOB, AND TO MY UNDERSTANDING DIDN'T MOVE INTO THE CITY. THERE WAS ANOTHER INCIDENT WHERE THERE WAS REPORTING ABOUT ANOTHER HIGH LEVEL EMPLOYEE WHO WASN'T LIVING IN THE CITY. I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE ONE WHERE HE CHANGED THE TITLE TO AN INTERIM DIRECTOR TO AVOID THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT. AND THOSE WERE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS, AND THAT WAS WHY THOSE OF YOU WHO SAT ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WITH MYSELF AND OTHER ITSELF, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND WE DEBATED, HAS THE TIME FOR THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS COME AND GONE? IT'S AN INTENSIVE PLACE TO LIVE, IT MAKES IT MUCH HARDER TO RECRUIT GOOD EMPLOYEES. IS SOMEONE IN HUNTER'S GREEN ACTUALLY THAT MUCH MORE CONNECTED THAN SOMEONE IN BRANDON? ALL THOSE ISSUES. AND KIND OF THE COMPROMISE WE REACHED AT THE CHARTER R REVIEW COMMISSION BACK IN 2018-19 WAS WE KEPT THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS BUT WE ADDED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO GET THE THREE YEARS WORTH OF WAIVER. SO THAT'S KIND OF JUST THE BACKGROUND. SO I GUESS I'M NOT ADVOCATING TODAY. I'M KIND OF ASKING COUNCIL WHAT DIRECTION YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO. AGAIN, IF THE GOAL IS -- IF THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS, IF YOU WILL, IF WE JUST STRICTY LOOK AT THE CHARTER AND SAY MAYBE ONLY THE DEPARTMENT HEADS NAMED IN THE CHARTER WERE THE ONES INTENDED TO BE REQUIRED TO LIVE IN THE CITY, MAYBE BY EXECUTIVE ORDER, THE MAYOR REDEFINES THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEPARTMENTS AND KITES WHICH ONES SHOULD HAVE TO BE RESIDENTS, AND THEN CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THAT BY A TWO-THIRDS VOTE BECAUSE WHEN THE MAYOR DOES ANYTHING CHAINING THE NAMES OR REORGANIZATION OF DEPARTMENTS, IT HAS TO COME TO COUNCIL. OR THE CLEANEST AND NEATEST WOULD BE TO DO A QUICK CHARTER AMENDMENT, IF THAT WAS THE WISH OF COUNCIL. BUT WITH THAT, I WILL STOP AND AGAIN THIS WAS, I THINK, INTENDED TO BE YOUR DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL. >>BILL CARLSON: LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT CHARTER AMENDMENTS MS. ZELMAN SAID HER PREFERENCE WAS NOT TO AMEND THE CHARTER BECAUSE IT'S SACRED GROUND AND WE SHOULD CREATE ORDINANCES SO IN THIS CASE THAT'S MY SUGGESTION. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS TRIED TO GO DEEP ON THIS, BUT I THINK THE TITLES CHANGE, AND I WISH THERE WAS SOME WAY THAT WE BY ORDINANCE OR BY RESOLUTION COULD JUST DEFINE OR AGREE TO DEFINE WHAT THE MAYOR, WHO IS REQUIRED TO DO THIS, I BELIEVE STRONGLY IN THESE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS. I FOUGHT FOR THEM ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION THE VOTERS APPROVED THREE TIMES, UNDER THE LAST ADMINISTRATION I BELIEVE RESULTED IN A LAWSUIT FROM THE PUBLIC, AND IT WAS VERY EMBARRASSING FOR THE INDIVIDUAL, IT WAS AN UNNECESSARY FIGHT AND WE CHANGED THE CHARTER TO ADAPT BECAUSE OF THAT. MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE DEFINE IT AS DIRECTOR REPORTS TO THE MAYOR. RIGHT NOW THIS MAYOR CALLS THEM ADMINISTRATORS. I THINK WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT A TITLE ON IT WHO DIRECT REPORTS TO THE MAYOR. I'M SORRY TO HAVE TO THROW OUT MAINS, BUT CEA IS AN ADMINISTERED. WE APPROVED TONY MULKEY WHO IS HEAD OF PARKS AND YOU CAN TECHNICALLY CALL AT DEPARTMENT BUT THE WAY THIS MAYOR HAS STRUCTURED THINGS, SHE HAS SIX OR EIGHT DIRECT REPORTS. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO GO ONE OR TWO LEVELS DOWN BLOW THAT. I THINK THE DIRECT REPORTS TO THE MAYOR ARE FINE, BUT THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL TO THAT. SO I WISH WHETHER IT'S ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION THAT WE WOULD MORE NARROWLY DEFINE IT. THANK YOU. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: CAN I RESPOND TO THE ONE THING? BECAUSE YOU SAID WHEN WHAT I SAID AT THE TIME WE WERE HAVING THE CHARTER DEBATE LAST TIME AND I DO BELIEVE THE CHARTER IS A SACRED DOCUMENT, AT THIS TIME CITY'S CONSTITUTION, AND THE CONCERN WAS THE WAY IN WHICH THAT LAST CHARTER AMENDMENT WERE JUST LITERALLY THE MORNING OF THE WORKSHOP, 20 OF THEM, 20 AMENDMENTS -- >>BILL CARLSON: THAT HAPPENED BECAUSE CITY STAFF DELAYED AND DELAYED AND DELAYED. I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO ALL OF THAT. >> LET'S STICK ON THIS CONVERSATION. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I WOULD SAY ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, I FEEL IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT NOW OVER AN OVER AGAIN FOR YEARS SO I DON'T THINK IT -- SHOULD YOU WISH TO DO A CHARTER AMENDMENT, I DON'T NOTICE THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING HASTY THAT YOU ARE DOING WITHOUT FORETHOUGHT, IF WE HAVE BEN TALKING ABOUT IT. AGAIN, SINCE 2018. >>BILL CARLSON: LET'S MOVE ON. SO IT'S MY TURN. I WANT TO BE SAY THAT I AM PROBABLY IN THE MINORITY ON THIS ISSUE, BUT IT'S MY OBSERVATION SINCE BEING ELECTED, AS AN ACTIVE CITIZEN IN TAMPA, IF YOU KEEP DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EXPECT DIFFERENT RESULTS, WE ALL KNOW WHAT YOU ARE. AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE, I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF THIS, BUT THE REALITY IS WE ROUTINELY GRANT WAIVERS, ROUTINELY, OR WE FORCE THESE COVERED STAFF POSITIONS TO BE THINGS LIKE GET AN APARTMENT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, YOU KNOW, AND ADD EXPENSES, AND QUITE HONESTLY, OUR ATTORNEY DOESN'T LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, AND HE REPRESENTS US WELL, AND HE DOESN'T LIVE -- AND I THINK OUR ATTORNEY, ATTORNEY ZELMAN STATED ABOUT THE HUNTER'S GREEN VERSUS BRANDON. I WOULD SAY HUNTER'S GREEN VERSUS CARROLLWOOD, OR SOMETHING THAT'S EVEN CLOSER, INSTEAD OF IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THE PERSON THAT LIVES IN THIS MARKET AND DRIVES DALE MABRY OR DRIVES HOWARD OR 275, THEY EXPERIENCE THE -- THEY HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE IN THE CITY AS THE REST OF US. SO AS I SAY, THE BEST INTENT AS, I AND THE CITY OF TAMPA, IT'S NOT A COMPACT CITY, WE ARE AN ODDLY SHAPED LINEAR CITY THAT STRETCHES FROM MacDILL UP TO THE NORTHEAST IN PASCO COUNTY IN A REALLY WEIRD KIND OF WAY, DIVE OPENING THEM TO USF AND EXPANDING AGAIN. SO THESE BOUNDARIES ARE NOT -- I DON'T REALLY CAPTURE A COMMUNITY, THEY JUST CAPTURE ARBITRARY LINES REALLY, NOT A COMMUNITY IN THE SENSE OF YOUR EXPERIENCED IN HOW YOU CAN REPRESENT THE DEPARTMENT THAT YOU REPRESENT, AND I AM VERY -- AND WE HAVE JUST SEEN SOME TURNOVERS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT WE EXPERIENCING. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT RECRUITMENT, HOW DIFFICULT IT IS IN THIS COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT TO RECRUIT TALENTED FOLKS WITH THIS KIND OF, ARE WE LIP NIGHTING PEOPLE THAT MAYBE WOULD SERVE THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA WELL BY HAVING THIS REQUIREMENT? SO I AM WILLING TO SIDE WITH MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S TIME HAS COME AND GONE AND AS RERECRUIT PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WE LOOK FOR THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST REGARDLESS OF WHICH SIDE OF THE STREET THEY LIVE ON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR. I DO LIKE THE FACT THAT HIGH LEVEL EMPLOYEES LIVE WITHIN CITY LIMITS. I READ AN ARTICLE A LONG, LONG TIME AGO WHERE ALMOST THE ENTIRE POLICE FORCE LIVED IN THE SUBURBS BUT THEY WERE POLICING INNER CITY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND SO THERE WERE PATHWAYS CREATED TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO LIVE WHERE THEY WORK. AND THIS IS WITH HIGH LEVEL STAFF, LIVING WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS IS REASONABLE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT HAS TO BE AT A LEVEL BELOW THE PRIMARY EXECUTIVE LEVEL, BECAUSE IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE TO LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, BUT MAYBE WITHIN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, OR MAYBE WE LISTED WE PREFER THAT YOU LIVE IN THE CITY, BUT IT'S NOT A MANDATORY REQUIREMENT. AND I JUST WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. I DON'T WANT TO PROLONG IF CONVERSATION, BUT THANK YOU. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. AGAIN, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR, THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST? IT MIGHT BE ONE HALF BLOCK OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. AND THEY HAVE TO RENT AN APARTMENT? ARE WE TELLING THE PEOPLE, COME WHEN WE NEED YOU BUT WE DON'T WANT YOU # YOU LIVE IN THE CITY. THE CITY CERTAINLY HAS TO HAVE THE ELECTED OFFICIAL LIVE IN THE CITY, AND WHEN YOU ARE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, YOU ARE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. BUT IF YOU ARE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, YOU CAN'T WORK IN THE CITY OF TAMPA AS A DEPARTMENT HEAD. THAT'S REAL CLOSE. IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, YOU CAN WORK IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. BUT IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY ---IF YOU LIVE IN THE COUNTY AND YOU WANT A JOB IN THE CITY AS A DEPARTMENT HEAD YOU HAVE TO RENT IN THE CITY OF TAMPA OR BUY A HOUSE OR SOMETHING. THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. SO YOU REALLY GET INTO THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST. BUT LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT, WE ARE ONLY FOOLING OURSELVES IN MY MIND. I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR WHERE TO GO, A PLACE TO LIVE, A PLACE TO RAISE THEIR FAMILY, EDUCATION WISE. WE DIDN'T USED TO BE THIS WAY. WE ARE NOW. SO YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE APPLICANTS COMING IN, AS MUCH QUALIFIED AS THE ONE YOU HAVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA OR BETTER. SO WE DON'T HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE. WE HAVE A DECISION IF IT STAYS STATUS QUO, THE POT IS THIS BIG IF NOT THE POT GROWS. SO WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IS THAT WE ARE IN ESSENCE, AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, THERE HAS TO BE SOME CHANGE SOMEWHERE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GETTING THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST. AND REGARDING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST HALF OF THEM LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND YOU DON'T BLAME THEM IN A WAY. IF THEY WORK HERE, THEY DO A GOOD JOB, THEN CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN THE CITY. SO THAT'S HOW IT IS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE THINGS, SOCIETY CHANGES, PEOPLE CHANGE, IDEAS CHANGE. WHAT DO WE HAVE OTHER THAN HORSE AND BUGGY AND A CAR? YOU AREN'T GOING TO GET FROM HERE IN ODESSA IN 15 MINUTES, I'LL TELL YOU THAT. THERE IS NO TRANSPORTATION TO SPEAK OF. THERE'S NO RAIL. THERE'S NOTHING TO SPEAK OF. SO WE HAD THAT ONCE. AND GENERAL MOTORS TOOK IT AWAY WHEN THEY SAID THE BUSES WERE BETTER THAN THE STREETCAR. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IN THE FIFTIES AND THE TRACKS WOULDN'T UP IN THE MID SIXTIES. SEPTEMBER WE DON'T EACH HAVE THE TRACKS ANYMORE. SO IT'S MAKING IT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO FIND WHOEVER IS QUALIFIED TO QUALIFY BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE EYE ANOTHER HOUSE, THEY ARE HAPPY WHERE THEY ARE AT. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. >>LUIS VIERA: AND I TEND TO AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU HEAR ABOUT AND YOU GO, WELL, OF COURSE I SUPPORT THIS, OF COURSE I SUPPORT THIS. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, JUST A CONSERVATIVE LEVEL OF SCRUTINY, AND I THINK HERE IS WHY, NUMBER ONE AS PEOPLE HAVE SAID, WE GRANT WAIVERS ALL THE TIME. ALL THE TIME. IT'S TOOTHLESS. NUMBER TWO IS, I AM WANT TO SAY FORCE PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL GO AND GET THESE 600 SQUARE FOOT APARTMENTS SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE CITY, PAY 1500 WHATEVER A MONTH, AND A VERY SORRY LAME ATTEMPT TO CIRCUMVENT WHEN THEY LIVE IN CARROLLWOOD OR PASCO COUNTY OR WHATEVER. THE DESIRED EFFECT, RIGHT? IT DOESN'T REALLY ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING FOR US. AND ALL IT DOES IS TAX AND WIEST OUR TIME WITH WAIVERS THAT ARE -- WE JUST LOAD THE PERSON, RIGHT? AND THEN IT MAKES MORE OF A BURDEN TO HIRING PEOPLE. I MEAN, WE JUST LOST IN THE CITY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS THREE AMAZING PEOPLE, THREE OF THE BEST PUBLIC SERVANTS I HAVE EVER SEEN, WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL FOLKS, YOU NOTICE. AND WHEN IT COMES TO HIRING PEOPLE FOR WHOM THIS WOULD BE APPLICABLE, THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT, WE WANT TO FIND PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST THE BEST, AND I THINK PUTTING SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON IS JUST ARBITRARY, AND IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE ASKED ME A YEAR AGO, OF COURSE WE HAVE TO DO THAT, IT MAKES SENSE. NO, IT DOESN'T, APPLYING A LEVEL OF SCRUTINY DOESN'T STAND UP TO ME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF AS A CONCEPT TO ADDRESS THE -- YOU JUST TALKED WITH OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND OTHER FOLKS THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO, BUT APPLIES OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, IS PERHAPS THE CITY SHOULD BE LOOKING ACROSS THE BOARD IN ALLOWANCES FOR OUR EMPLOYEES THAT LIVE IN THE CITY TO INCENTIVIZE, THE CARAT VERSUS THE STICK FOR PEOPLE STOW LIVE IN THE CITY AND MAYBE ENCOURAGE OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS AND ALL OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF TO LIVE IN THE CITY, AND THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT. >>BILL CARLSON: LIKE I SAID, THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE VOTERS THREE TIMES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE MADE WAS TO GIVE I THINK IT'S TWO YEARS GRACE PERIOD, AND THAT'S IT. BECAUSE THE RULE WAS FLAGRANTLY IGNORED BEFORE. BUT NOW WE HAVE A SET RULE. THE QUESTION HERE IS HOW DO WE DEFINE IT? EVEN IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A CHARTER AMENDMENT, THAT STILL AND MAY NOT BE, BUT IF IT IS, THE SOONEST WE COULD IMPLEMENT IT WOULD BE DECEMBER ANYWAY. SO RIGHT NOW WE STILL HAVE THE RULE. IF SOMEBODY IS USING SOMEBODY ELSE'S HOUSE FOR A TEMPORARY SPACE, THAT MEANS THEY ARE NOT TELLING THE TRUTH ON THE FORM. AND THEY SHOULD BE TERMINATED FOR NOT TELLING THE TRUTH. IT CLEARLY SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT AND A VOTER IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND IF THERE'S PROOF THAT SOMEBODY IS NOT EITHER OF THOSE THINGS, THEN THEY ARE NOT TELLING THE TRUTH IF THEY HAVE ALREADY SAID THEY WILL. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION, PICK THE DATE, TO NARROWLY-LY DEFINE THE CRITERIA BY 6.01, THAT THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WOULD EQUAL -- WOULD BE DEFINED AS THE PEOPLE, THE ADMINISTRATORS WHO DIRECTLY REPORT TO THE MAYOR UNDER THE CURRENT STRUCTURE. >> SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER HURTAK. ANYTHING ELSE? >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO WAS MAKE THAT SIMILAR MOTION BECAUSE LISTENING TO EVERYBODY I TEND TO AGREE THAT AMENDING THE CHART IS -- CHARTER IS A VERY DIFFICULT ISSUE AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER WILL BE, BUT HERE IF WE CAN SIMPLY CREATE AN ORDINANCE AND SPECIFY WHICH OFFICERS, I THINK THAT HELPS. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: JUST TO CLARIFY, THE PROCESS WOULD BE, WELL, CITY COUNCIL COULD ADOPT A RESOLUTION REQUESTING THE MAYOR TO REDEFINE BY EXECUTIVE ORDER THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE AND THOSE TO WHICH THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS WOULD APPLY, AND THEN THAT COULD COME BACK TO YOU TO BE APPROVED BY A TWO-THIRDS VOTE OF COUNCIL. >>BILL CARLSON: WE ARE NOT ASKING TO DELETE A STRUCTURE. IF SHE DOESN'T HAVE SOMETHING CALLED A DPARTMENT HEAD, THEN PEOPLE CALLED ADMINISTRATORS, NOT DEPARTMENT HEADS, SO WHAT WE ARE SIMPLY DOING IS DEFINING WHO QUALIFIES MER 6.01 AND MAYBE YOU WANT TO DO 6.02 AS WELL. SHOULDN'T WE PASS A RESOLUTION REQUESTING HER TO DO THAT, AND THEN SHE SENDS US AN EXECUTIVE ORDER, AND THEN WE CAN A IMPROVE THAT IF WE WANT? >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YES, I GUESS THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE CHARTER REFERS TO DEPARTMENT HEADS. SO THAT'S WHERE THE MAYOR HAS TO SORT OF REFRAIN THE DEPARTMENT HEADS -- >>BILL CARLSON: OHIO ABOUT IF I DO THIS? INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR AN ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE VOTE TODAY TO ASK THE MAYOR TO DEFINE WHO MEETS THE REQUIREMENT OF 6.01 AND 6.02 AS PER HER DIRECT REPORTS UNDER THE CURRENT STRUCTURE. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I THINK THE CLEANER WAY TO MAKE THAT MOTION WOULD BE ASKING THE LEGAL ADOPTED TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE APPROPRIATE MEANS WITH WHICH THE MAYOR CAN REFRAME AND THE CITY COUNCIL CAN APPROVE THE APPLICATION OF 6.01 TOB LIMITED TO ONLY THOSE THAT ARE HER DIRECT REPORT -- >>BILL CARLSON: I MOVE THAT TO COME BACK -- DOES IT HAVE TO BE AUGUST 22ND IS THE ■ONLY -- AUGUST 1? I MAKE THAT MOTION TO COME BACK ON AUGUST 1, IF THAT'S OKAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS THERE STILL A SECOND ON THAT? COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WITH THE SECOND. COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND THEN MIRANDA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AFTER THE DISPOSITION OF THIS, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK THAT THE CHARTER ISSUE WOULD BE -- I DON'T SEE THE HARM IN GOING 24 BUT AFTER THIS IS RESOLVED I WILL PROBABLY INTRODUCE A RESOLUTION ASKING LEGAL STAFF TO COME FORWARD WITH A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION AS WELL. OR I COULD DO IT AFTER. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WE WOULD NEED TO DO IT TODAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AFTER THIS MOTION IS DONE, BECAUSE AGAIN, I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, A CHARTER AMENDMENT IS A MAYBE. JUST IN CASE THE CHARTER AMENDMENT SO WE GET THIS THROUGH AND IT FACE, WE STILL HAVE THIS TO FALL BACK ON, SO THIS MOTION ON THE FLOOR, AND THEN MY PLAN IS TO INTRODUCE ANOTHER MOTION. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THINK FIRST WE HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT A RESIDENCY IS. IF SOMEONE COMES IN THE CITY AND HAS A JOB HERE AND THAT PERSON HAS A WATER BILL, HAS AN ELECTRIC BILL, IS PAYING RENT AND REGISTERED TO VOTE HERE, HOW CAN YOU TELL THEM THEY ARE NOT A RESIDENT OR SHE'S NOT A RESIDENT? SO YOU HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT IT IS. NOBODY DEFINES IT. SO THERE IS NO OPERATIONAL THING WHAT A RESIDENT IS. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I THINK THE REQUIREMENT THAT SOMEONE BE A RESIDENT AND BE REGISTERED TO VOTE IN THE CITY INCORPORATES WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IT'S GOT TO BE CODIFIED. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ADDRESS IN THE CITY THAT YOU LIVE IN TO VOTE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND BY HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? >>BILL CARLSON: COULD I ASK ONE QUESTION RELATED TO IT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE NEXT MOTION? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY. >>BILL CARLSON: ANDREA, COULD YOU LOOK AT THE LIST OF PEOPLE WHO -- WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO HIT THE END OF THEIR SECOND YEAR. SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO IS GOING TO HIT THE END OF THEIR SECOND YEAR BEFORE AUGUST WHO IS BELOW THE ADMINISTRATOR LEVEL, WE SHOULD MAYBE HAVE -- >>ANDREA ZELMAN: SO YOU ACTUALLY IS A LAO OF TOTAL OF THREE WAIVERS, ONE WAIVER PLUS TWO. >>BILL CARLSON: IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO IS GOING EXPIRE, IF THE TERM IS GOING TO EXPIRE BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME WE VOTE ON THIS AND THE MAYOR APPROVES IT, MAKES MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT SEPARATELY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REQUEST LEGAL COME BACK, REPORT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A PROPOSED CHARTER AMENDMENT ABOLISHING THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WITH A SECOND FROM COUNCILMEMBER VIERA. ANY DISCUSSION? ANY OPPOSED? >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: WHEN YOU SAY ABOLISH, I'M ASSUMING YOU STILL WANT THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL. DO YOU WANT CITY CLERK, CITY ATTORNEY, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, CHIEF OF POLICE? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EXCLUDING ELECTED OFFICIALS. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS BUT ALL THE OTHER STAFF TAKE OUT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. ZELMAN. MR. SHELBY HAS REQUESTED TO GO LAST. SO WE ARE GOING TO PUSH HIM BACK MR. MULKEY LIKES TO WAIT. IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO BRINGING UP THE SULPHUR SPRINGS? MR. MULKEY, I NOTICE YOU HAVE BEEN HERE FOR QUITE A WHILE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. COME ON UP. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. GLAD TO BE HERE TO PROVIDE -- >> YOU PROBABLY SHOULD ASK FOR LEGAL REPRESENTATION BEFORE YOU ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. [ LAUGHTER ] >> I'M PLEASED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE SULPHUR SPRINGS AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE. THE CLOSURE OF THE POOL WAS NOT TAKEN LIGHTLY AND WE ARE WORKING TOWARD SOME SOLUTIONS. AND I AM HAPPY TO PRESENT A FEW DETAILS THAT I THINK WE HAVE A PATH. SO A LOT OF THE ITEMS THAT CAUSE THE POOL CLOSURE WITHIN FOR A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME. ONE POSITIVE IS THERE'S BEEN SOME WORK BEING DONE IN THE BACKGROUND. THERE'S BEEN SOME FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN COMMITTED TO THE PROJECT. SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A ROAD THAT WE CAN TAKE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD IF WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION. BACK IN 2016, THE POOL DECK AT SULPHUR SPRINGS COLLAPSED. IT'S OF A VERY UNIQUE SPACE OUT THERE NEXT TO THE SPRING, AND NEXT TO THE WASHOUT THAT LEADS TO THE RIVER, THE SPILLWAY THAT LEAD TO THE RIVER OVER THERE THAT CAUSED SOME EROSION UNDERNEATH THE DECK THAT HAD A COLLAPSE. IT WASN'T A MAJOR COLLAPSE BUT IT WAS ENOUGH THAT IT HAD TOB REPAIRED AND HAVE SOME REMEDIATION. AT THAT TIME THEY ALSO DISCOVERED TO DAMAGE TO THE SEAWALL THROUGH THAT AREA AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF WATER MOVING THROUGH THAT SPACE. IT'S ONE OF OUR MOST UNIQUE POOL LOCATIONS WITHIN THE ENTIRE CITY. IT'S ALSO ONE OF OUR BUSIEST, FROM A 2010 REPORT ONWARD, IT WAS IDENTIFIED AS OUR BUSIEST POOL IN 2010, AND THAT'S ATTRIBUTED TO WALK-UP TRAFFIC. PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO ATTEND THE SPACE JUST BY WALKING FROM THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS IDEAL FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE TRANSIT OPTIONS AS A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE DO. SO AFTER THAT POOL DECK COLLAPSED, THE CITY ALLOCATED $600,000 FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO IDENTIFY SOME FIXES FOR THE SPACE. AT THAT TIME, WE HAD AN EXPLORATORY INVESTIGATION PERFORMED ON THE POOL. IN 2019, FOR 600,000 WAS ALLOCATED IN FISCAL YEAR 20 IS IT. SO THIS EXPLORATORY INVESTIGATION OF THE POOL WAS UNDERTAKEN THAT KIND OF REEMPHASIZED SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE SEEING WITH LOSING WATER OF THE POOL SO IT'S NOT JUST THE SPRING THAT'S AN ISSUE, IT'S ACTUALLY THE GUTTER SYSTEM AND THE POOL FINISH WITH SOME CRACKS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WHERE WATER WAS THROUGH THAT POOL SHE'LL AND INTO THE GROUND. IT HAD TO GO SOMEWHERE, AND IF YOU SEE THE PHOTOS YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE SAND HAS COME THROUGH THAT SEAWALL AND INTO THE RIVER. SO WE HAVE KIND OF A ROAD MAP OF THE ISSUES. WE HAVE SOME ESTIMATES THAT HAVE BEEN UPDATED. WE ARE CONTINUING TO UPDATE THOSE. FROM THAT REPORT, WE REQUESTED ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. AND IN 2023 WE WERE AWARDED ANOTHER 1.6 MILLION TOTH THROUGH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BUDGET TO ADDRESS THE WHOLE SITUATION MORE HOLISTICALLY. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE ARE AT, WHERE WE HAVE FUNDING, WE HAVE SOME ANALYSIS, WE ARE DOING FURTHER ANALYSIS, WHICH LEADS US TO LATE 2023. IN LATE 2023, WE CLOSED THE POOL TO TRY AND TACKLE SOME OF THESE ISSUES. THE MAIN ISSUE ON THIS WAS THE DRAINAGE GRATES IN THE DEEP END. POOL WERE NOT COMPLIANT WITH THE VIRGINIA GRAHAM BAKER ACT. THIS IS AN ACT THAT WAS PASSED FEDERALLY TO REQUIRE ALL POOLS TO HAVE GRAIN GRADES THAT WERE COMPLIANT SO THAT IT PREVENTED ENTRAPMENT AND SUCTION CHILDREN OR USERS OF THE PAL. SO THE GRATES ORIGINALLY PUT IN WERE COMPLIANT, BUT THEY WEREN'T SECURED WELL ENOUGH BECAUSE THEY WERE AFTER-MARKET THAT WERE KIND OF BOLTED IN SO THEY NEEDED A BETTER STICKS THAT REQUIRED DRAINAGE OF THE POOL. WE KNOW THERE'S WATER IN THE GROUND. WE KNOW THERE'S PRESSURE FROM THE SPRING THERE. WE KNOW THERE'S VOIDS. AND WE WERE VERY NERVOUS TO DRAIN THAT POOL. WE WERE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DRAINING OF THE POOL, IT HASN'T CRACKED, IT HASN'T HAD ANY MAJOR ISSUES, BUT ONCE WE DRAIN THAT POOL AND REMOVE THOSE GRATES WE FIND OUT THAT WATER WAS COMING UP FROM THE GROUND INTO THE POOL. IT LOOKS LIKE A GARDEN HOSE. WE HAD TO PUT PUMPS IN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE POOL DIDN'T FILL UP WITH THE WATER. GIVEN THE FLOW AND THE PRESSURE OF THAT WATER, WE SUSPECTED SPRING WATER. THAT'S FLOWING THROUGH WHATEVER CHANNELS UNDERGROUND. WITH THAT CONSIDERATION, WE PERFORMED SOME GROUND PENETRATING RADAR WITHIN THE POOL. WE HAD PREVIOUSLY DONE SO ON A POOL DECK, BECAUSE IT WAS DRY AND WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT ANALYSIS AND FOUND SOME VOIDS IN SOME AREAS THAT WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE POOL DECK PREVIOUSLY. WITHIN THE POOL, WE FOUND A SIGNIFICANT SUSPECTED VOID THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE POOL, WITH SOME EVIDENCE OF SOME STRUCTURAL REBAR WARPING WITHIN THE POOL SHELL ITSELF. WE ARE NOW GOING THROUGH ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS AND CORE SAMPLES, DOWN STORM DRAINS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND WE HAVE AN ENGINEER TO GIVE US SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS AND WORK WITH THE FIRMS THAT DID THE STUDY BACK IN 2020, 2019 TIME TO UPDATE EVERYTHING. WE ALSO HAD AN ENGINEERING FIRM WORKING ON SOME SPECKS NORTH SEAWALL INDEPENDENTLY ON SOME NEW ISSUES THAT WE DISCOVERED. WITH THOSE NEW ISSUES, WE ARE HOPING IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS WE CAN HAVE A ROAD MAP OF WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO TO BRING THE POOL BACK ONLINE. AGAIN IT'S NOT A SUPER EASY FIX. WE ARE KIND OF ADDRESSING A POOL BUILT FROM UNDERGROUND UP, THAT'S NOT TYPICALLY THE IDEAL WAY TO ADDRESS A POOL, BUT IF WE CAN MITIGATE FOR THE FACTORS OF WHERE THE WATER IS RUNNING UNDERGROUND, IF IT'S THE LEAKS IN THE POOL, IF IT'S THE SPRING WATER, IF IT'S SOMETHING ELSE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT. MIGHT NOT BE A PERFECT FIX BUT IT MIGHT GET US SO WE CAN GET TO A POSITION OF A LONGER TERM REPLACEMENT, WHICH I THINK AT SOME POINT THAT HAS TO BE THE DISCUSSION. BUT FOR NOW WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE TO THE COMMUNITY OF THE POOL. WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF PEOPLE WITH WATER SAFETY, OPPORTUNITY TO COOL DOWN ESPECIALLY WITH THE HEAT THAT WE HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING. SO WE WANT TO HELP FACILITATE THAT. SO WITH THAT, I AM PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE AN FEW STEPS THAT WE ARE TAKING STARTING ON SATURDAY. WE ARE GOING TO START WORKING A SCHEDULE FROM SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL TO COPELAND POOL. WE HAD TO WORK THROUGH SO LOGISTICS WITH WAIVERS AND PERMISSION SLIPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE ALL ROLLED OUT HOPEFULLY TOMORROW, AND YOU WILL SEE THAT START OPERATING ON SATURDAY. THAT'S GOING TO OPERATE SIX DAYS A WEEK. SO NOT SEVEN GAUSE FRIDAY IS WHEN WE DO OUR IN SERVICE TRAINING AND WE HAVE SOME KIND OF MAINTENANCE THINGS THAT WE DO OVER AT COPELAND POOL. SO SATURDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. SO SIX DAYS A WEEK ON THAT. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE SCHEDULE? >> SURE. SO THE SCHEDULE WE HAVE, ON THE WEEKENDS THERE WILL BE TRIPS AT 1 P.M. AND 3:30 P.M. WE OFFER OPEN SWIM ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS SO THAT COINCIDES WITH THAT WINDOW OF THE OPEN SLIM. SO 1 P.M. IT WOULD DEPART SULPHUR SPRINGS, ABOUT A 10-MINUTE RIDE UP TO COPELAND PARK, WOULD RETURN BACK ABOUT 3 P.M. SO A COUPLE HOUR WINDOWS. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A COUPLE OF VEHICLES SO WE'LL HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IF NEEDED IF WE HAVE INCREASED DEMAND, WE CAN CHANGE THESE. SO WE HAVE STAFF, WE ARE ENGAGING THE STAFF ON LIGHT DUTY, WE ARE ENGAGING WITH STAFF, WE HAVE ROTATIONS FOR LIFEGUARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE ARE BEING REALLY CREATIVE BUT WE ALSO WANT PEOPLE THAT CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES WITH WAIVERS AND HELP WITH PEOPLE THAT MIGHT HAVE FAMILIES AND DIFFERENT AGE GROUPS. SO A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS THAT WE KIND OF PLAYED OUT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE AND PROVIDE GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE. BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S NOT CONVENIENT. WE REALIZE THAT BUT WE WANT TO TRY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN, WHEN WE TAKE AWAY A PUBLIC AMENITY WE WANT TO PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY, AND HOPEFULLY WE DON'T TAKE IT AWAY FOR TOO LONG. ADDITIONALLY, WE ARE WORKING WITH HART, SO WE FIRST REACHED OUT TO HART, AND SAID, HEY, WHERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE, KNOW IT JUST FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS, NOT JUST FOR COPELAND POOL BUT CITY-WIDE. WHERE CAN WE PROMOTE PUBLIC TRANSIT, WATER SAFETY, AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO USE THE POOLS? WE WANT TO PUT PEOPLE THROUGH THE DOORS AND GET PEOPLE IN THE WALLET AND GET THEM TRAINED, SWIM LESSONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE ARE WORKING WITH HEART TO PROMOTE -- WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE DOOR TO DOOR SERVICE BUT AT TIMES SOMEBODY IN THE SULPHUR SPRINGS NEIGHBORHOOD OR ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE FREEWAY MIGHT HAVE A MORE DIRECT PATH TO A POOL FROM THEIR HOME. SO WE ARE WORKING WITH HART TO GET ALL THE MAPS, WHAT ARE THE BEST ROUTES TO THE POOLS FROM WHEREVER YOU LIVE WITHIN THE CITY. IT'S NOT JUST SULPHUR SPRINGS, NOT JUST COPELAND PARK, BUT BOBBY HICKS, LORETTA BAY, INGRAM, IT'S ALSO OUR SPLASH PADS FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO COOL DOWN IT? HOT SUMMER WEATHER. WITH THIS IF YOU SHOW OUR POOLS A BUS PASS, WE ARE STILL WORKING OUT THE WAIVER ISSUE, BUT WITH THE BUS PASS THEY WILL BE ABLE TO GET IN THE POOL FOR FREE. SO ACCESS TO POOLS. AND THEY ARE GOING TO HELP PROMOTE IT FOR US. WE ARE GOING TO HELP PROMOTE IT INTERNALLY. JUST MORE OPPORTUNITIES. ADDITIONALLY, WE REALIZE THAT THE MAIN ACCESS TO THE SULPHUR SPRINGS PARK IS THROUGH THE POOL. WE ARE WORKING TO CHANGE SOME OF THE FENCE LINES TO OPEN UP THE PLAYGROUND. WE ARE OPENING UP THE HISTORIC GAZEBO FOR PUBLIC USE THAT'S BEEN CLEANED UP. SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THE PUBLIC HAS TALKED TO US ABOUT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED. WE RECENTLY HAD PUBLIX AND TAMPA BAY BEAUTIFUL PROVIDE A MAJOR CLEAN-UP, I FORGET HOW MANY TONS OF DEBRIS WERE REMOVED, BUT CREATED GOOD SITE LINES FOR BETTER SECURITY, YOU CAN SIT IN THE PARKING LOT AND SEE THE RIVER NOW, SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO IN A LONG TIME. THE PICNIC SITE HAS BEEN REMARRIED. IT HAD A BROKEN UP ROOF AND WAS LOOKING A LITTLE TIRED. SO THAT'S BEEN REPAIRED L PAIRED. WE ARE WORKING ON TRYING TO IMPROVE THAT SPACE AND GET THE PUBLIC TO USE IT. THE BEST ANTIDOTE IS USE, IT'S ACTIVATION. SORRY WE ARE GOING TO BE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO USE THE PARK WHEN THE POOL IS NOT OPEN. SO THESE ARE THE STEPS THAT WE ARE TAKING. I WANTED TO TRY TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THIS AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. IT'S GOING TO BE VIERA, MANISCALCO MIRANDA CLENDENIN HURTAK. TAKE IT AWAY. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND MR. MULKEY, THANK YOU. WE HAD A TOWN HAUL. YOU ARE ALWAYS A MAN OF YOUR WORD AND I THINK SOME OF THOSE SHORT TERM SOLUTIONS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE REALLY GREAT. I WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUDGET AND THINGS WITH SULPHUR SPRINGS. YOU RECOGNIZE THIS POOL IS SO PIVOTAL TO THE COMMUNITY THAT IT'S A REAL LIFELINE FOR THE COMMUNITY. THE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE ABOUT SULPHUR SPRINGS IS EVEN BEFORE THIS ISSUE CAME UP WITH THE POOL, I FIRST HEARD ABOUT IT ON THE WALTER SMITH SHOW AND I MADE THE MOTION, I GUESS I WAS ON SUNDAY, MADE A MOTION THAT H, BUT EVEN BEFORE THIS YOU HAD A COMMUNITY THAT REALLY IN NEED AND STILL IS IN NEED. IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ON THE TOP OF OUR MIND. FOR ME, THIS POOL AND THE CHALLENGES THAT WE SEE WITH IT, AND THE DIFFERENT CHALLENGES WE SEE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS, IS MORE OF A SYMPTOM OF JUST NEGLECT, NOT FROM PARKS AND RECREATION, FROM ALL OF US, YOU KNOW. HARRY TRUMAN SAID THE BUCK STOPS HERE. IT STOPS WITH ALL OF US ON CITY COUNCIL, IT STOPS WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSION, STOPS WITH THE MAYOR. SULPHUR SPRINGS IS AN AREA WHERE 3 AND 4 OF THE CHILDREN THERE LIVE IN POVERTY. A GOOD MAJORITY FROM WORKING HOUSEHOLDS THAT GO TO WORK EVERY DAY, AND CREDIT WITH THAT PAYCHECK THEY STILL CAN'T GET OUT OF POST FOR THEIR CHILDREN. SO I ALWAYS SAY THAT WITH SULPHUR SPRINGS, THEY NEED MORE ARE PUTTING FORTH, WHICH IS A RE REPAIRED POOL, BECAUSE ALL THAT DOES IS MAKE THEM WHOLE TO WHERE THEY WERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO I.WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION THAT GOES BEYOND THE POOL, THAT GOES BEYOND A $75,000 OR WHATEVER GRANT, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT THAT TALKS ABOUT A REAL STRUCTURAL ADDRESSING OF THE CHRONIC LONG-TERM NEGLECT THAT HAS A PART OF TAMPA HAVING THREE OUT OF FOUR KIDS, AND ABOUT 6, 7,000 PEOPLE LIVING IN POVERTY. TALKED ABOUT THE OTHER AMERICA. THIS IS PART OF THE OTHER TAMPA AND WE HAVE TO TALK MORE AND MORE ABOUT THAT. TO ME THIS IS ABOUT A CHANGE IN POLICY, THIS IS A PART OF AND A WELCOME A PART AND YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB ON THAT. IT IS NOT JUST INCREMENTAL BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS STRUCTURAL. I HAVE BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO IN CRA LOOKING AT TALKING ABOUT HAVING A SULPHUR SPRINGS CRA. IT WAS VOTED DOWN. AND I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE ON COUNCIL THAT -- THERE'S PEOPLE WHO SAY, LOOK, 100% AGAINST IT. I RESPECT THAT. MAYBE NOT THE RIGHT TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT. FINE. BUT FOR ME, THAT ISSUE OF A SULPHUR SPRINGS CL CRA IS INEVITABLE. THAT ISSUE WILL NOT GO AWAY. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. BUT IN SULPHUR SPRINGS RIGHT NOW LIVES WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF NEGLECT OF GOVERNMENT LEGISLATE, SOCIAL NEGLECT, ET CETERA. AND THIS POOL IS AGAIN JUST A VERY, VERY SMALL PART OF THIS. SO WHAT I WANT TO LOOK AT IS NOT JUST A GOOD SOLUTION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, AND I KNOW COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF BUSING FOR FOLKS, AND I AM GLAD YOU PICKED COPY L.A.P.D. PARK TO HAVE A WONDERFUL FACILITY THERE THAT A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY WANTS BUT ALSO TALKING ABOUT ON A BIGGER LEVEL A CONVERSATION ABOUT SULPHUR SPRINGS FOR MARSHALL PLAN TYPE INVESTMENT IN SULPHUR SPRINGS TO MAKE IT BETTER. AND I WILL SAY THIS TO THE ADMINISTRATION. WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUDGET, THEY ALWAYS HAVE THE SLIDE. THE MAYOR DOES IT, IN A VIDEO. I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE A SLIDE THAT GOES, THEY TALK ABOUT PARKS AND REC, THEY TALK ABOUT DISTRICT 4, 5, 6, 7. I WANT A SEPARATE SLIDE TO SHOW WHAT WE ARE DOING THIS YEAR FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DOING IN ADDITION FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS. BECAUSE AGAIN THE TRAGEDY OF THIS POOL IS THAT BEFORE THE POOL WAS TAKEN FROM THE COMMUNITY BY CIRCUMSTANCES OUTSIDE OF YOUR CONTROL IT WAS A COMMUNITY WITH GREAT NEGLECT. 75 R% OF KIDS IN POVERTY. TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE IT IS NOW WITHOUT THAT POOL. SO MR. MULKEY, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU JUMPING ON THIS% WITH SOME GOOD SOLUTIONS. MAYBE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS WE CAN PUT FORWARD. BUT FOR ME THIS IS PART OF A SYMPTOM OF A LARGER ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, TO STRUCTURAL SOLUTIONS FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS, BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING, GETTING THAT CONVERSATION MOVING ON SULPHUR SPRINGS AS A CENTER OF CITY POLICY. THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING THAT I THINK WE CAN DO ON TAMPA CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, MR. MULKEY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH INFORMED REPORT. nd ARCHED TO ME IT'S RESPONSIVE BECAUSE I TALKED TO YOU WEEKS AGO. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A FRIDAY. IT WAS AFTER HOURS AND YOU RESPONDED RIGHT AWAY. I HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT WERE SENT TO ME BY THE COMMUNITY. I THINK YOU ANSWERED ALMOST EVERYTHING HERE. THE ONLY OTHER THINK QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED WAS, WHY NOT BUILD A POOL ON THE WAYNE PAPY, WHAT IS IT, PROPERTY. >> AMERICAN LEGION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELL, ONE OF THE BALL FIELDS, BUT PUT A POOL. COUNCILMAN VIERA MENTIONED IT. SULPHUR SPRINGS IS TECHNICALLY FORGOTTEN. THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL, I THINK. IT WAS SAID TO ME BY JOE ROBINSON WHO WAS THE PRESIDENT OF SULPHUR SPRINGS, NOT THAT JOE ROBINSON, THE OTHER ONE, THIS IS THE POOREST NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. IT'S A GREATER ISSUE. BUTT WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE, THIS SWIMMING POOL YOU MENTIONED THE STRUCTURAL ISSUES. MY CONCERNS ARE, ARE WE GOING TO BE THROWING AWAY GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD MONEY AFTER WHATEVER THE EXPRESSION IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE SPRING THAT FEEDS INTO THE POOL THAT FEEDS INTO THE RIVER, IS IT A SINKHOLE WAITING TO HAPPEN? YOU WERE TERRIFIED, NOT TERRIFIED BUT YOU HAD CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINING THE POOL AND NOW YOU SAY YOU HAVE A NATURAL SPRING PONG UP THROUGH IT. I HAVE ASKED THE ADMINISTRATION, I HAVE ASKED MR. ROGERO TO SEE ABOUT IN THIS BUDGET PUTTING MONEY TO BUILD A NEW PAL, NOT ON THAT SITE, NOT IN THAT SPOT, BUT ON THAT SITE IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION, SOMEWHERE IN THE PARKING LOT, WHATEVER NEARBY, WHERE IT MAKES MORE SENSE. I THINK -- I DON'T WANT TO BE THROWING AWAY MONEY SAYING WE PASSED IT UP AND IN A COUPLE YEARS. REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED WITH CUSCADEN POOL, IT WASN'T DONE RIGHT, THE CONTRACT HE SHALL HAD TO COME BACK. THAT WAS ANOTHER BATTLE AND MONEY WAS SPENT THERE. I HOPE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION COMES BACK IN THIS BUDGET PROPOSAL OR BUDGET PRESENTATION THAT COMES UP AND SAYS, THIS IS HOW WE FUND A NEW POOL, IF IT GETS TO THAT. I KNOW IT COULD BE 4 OR $5 MILLION. I AM NOT ASKING FOR A WHOLE COMPLEX BUT JUST ANOTHER SWIMMING POOL. WE SPENT $40 MILLION OR FAIR OAKS, 100 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS ON HANNA BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT RAISING THE SOLID WASTE RATES IN ORDER TO FUND 100 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS IN PROJECT. I THINK THIS IS A NOBLEST AND A GOOD INVESTMENT IN THIS COMMUNITY, BECAUSE SHUTTING DOWN THAT POOL FOR REASONS BEYOND YOUR CONTROL AND SAFETY ISSUES AND STRUCTURAL ISSUES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT'S HURT MORALE, THAT'S WHERE ARE BEEN DAMAGED FOR A LONG TIME. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POOL. IT'S A HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT POOL BECAUSE IT WAS DURING THE TIME OF SEGREGATION. I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST POOLS THAT INTEGRATED. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A STORY THERE. WHEN EVERYTHING WAS INTEGRATED, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD, IT'S THE POOL THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD GO TO. BUT SULPHUR SPRINGS IS VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN THE LAST 350 YEARS. SOMEONE THIS MORNING MENTIONED THE ARCADE THAT WAS DEMOLISHED. I HAVE PICTURES OF THE DEMOLITION. BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AND NOW IT'S A PARKING LOT. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE THIS INVESTMENT. WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ELSEWHERE. I HOPE THE ADMINISTRATION COMES THROUGH, OR WE AS A COUNCIL, IN LOOKING AT IF WE HAVE TO BUILD A NEW PAL ON THE SITE JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AWAY, BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY USES IT. YOU SAY IT'S THE BUSIEST POOL IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. >> IT'S ONE OF THE TOP THREE AT THIS POINT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ONE OF THE TOP THREE. WE HAD THE ISSUE WITH THE INGA GOSS POOL AND THAT WAS IN 2019 WHEN WE HAD THAT DISCUSSIONIST DON'T WANT TO LET THE COMMUNITY DOWN. I THINK IT WOULD BE A NOBLE AND WORTHY INVESTMENT TO BUILD A NEW PAL. MAYBE IF WE CAN'T FIX IT PROPERLY, AND TAKE IT FROM THERE. SO I HOPE THE ADMINISTRATION IS LISTENING AND I HOPE THEY ARE WORKING ON SOME KIND OF A FINANCING PLAN IN ORDER TO DO IT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER CLENDENIN HURTAK CARLSON. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS CORRECT AND YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU HAVE TO LOOK THE WHAT THE COST IS TO REPAIR AND IF YOU REPAIR, HOW MUCH THE GUARANTEE WILL LAST. THE AQUIFER. A MOVING OBJECT TO SOME DEGREE. TAKING A BIG RISK. AND I THINK POSSIBLY TO LOOK AT IT REALISTICALLY AND THE CITY DOES OWN A LOT OF LAND THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE, THERE IS A LOT OF LAND THERE. AND IT IS ON THE WATER. IT HAS THE TOWER. AND WE ARE USING SPORADICALLY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLANS ARE -- [BEEPING] -- I THOUGHT YOU GAVE ME A QUICK FIVE MINUTES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GUIDO TOOK ALL YOUR TIME. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT REALITY IS. AND I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A LITTLE BOY AT 1806 CANDLE COURT. WE WOULD WALK A MILE TO GO SWIMMING AND SO MANY OF US THAT IT LOOKED LIKE A LOT OF DOLPHINS. ALL YOU SEE WERE HANDS IN THE AIR. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO SWIM. I HAD TO WITH THE GUTTER TO LEARN WITH ONE HAND AND THE OTHER HAND AND FINALLY I GOT A DEAL WHEN I COULD WALK ON THE SIDE AND LEARN HOW TO SWIM. EVERYBODY LEARNED HOW THAT WAY. THINGS HAVE CHANGED. AND YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. YOU ARE VERY RESPONSIVE AND APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CLENDENIN, HURTAK AND CARLSON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU SAID 82. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOT EVEN CLOSE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE ONE AND YOU TALK ABOUT THE BEST THING ABOUT THIS. BEST THING IS, THAT YOU ARE PROACTIVE AND ON TOP OF THIS. AND NO ONE WAS HURT. THE WORST THING, WE HAD -- WE HAD PROPERTY THAT IS DAMAGED THAT CAN BE REBUILT. BUT BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OF THAT THE CITY TOOK, YOU WERE PROACTIVE IN ENSURING THAT YOU DID THE RIGHT THING BY SHUTTING IT DOWN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC. I THINK THAT IS THE BEST -- THE UNTOLD STORY THAT MAYBE ISN'T -- THAT PEOPLE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT THAT, ONE, Y'ALL DID THE RIGHT THING. WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS ERODED AND BY ACT OF NATURE. AS -- YOU KNOW, MAYBE LOOK PAST THIS LIFE CYCLE AND HAVE TO LOOK AT REPLACING. I AGREE. SORRY THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA IS NOT HERE. BECAUSE I -- I DISAGREE ABOUT -- I VOTED AGAINST SIERRA. AND I WOULD VOTE AGAINST IT TODAY. BUT HAVING A MASTER PLAN FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS AREA. SPEAK OF THE DEVIL AND HE SHALL ARRIVE. TALKING OF SULPHUR SPRINGS, COUNCILMAN VIERA. AND I SAID I DISAGREE WITH THE NEED OF CRA. I LOVE YOUR IDEA AND LOVE TO WORK WU AND THE REST OF THE COUNCIL TO DO SOMETHING TO REFERENCE A MASTER PLAN FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS. BECAUSE IT GOES BEYOND WHAT A CRA CAN EVEN PROVIDE. BECAUSE OF THE -- PART OF THIS PLAN HAS GOT TO BE TRANSPORTATION. A KEY IN AN AREA LIKE SULPHUR SPRINGS IS BEING ABLE TO MOVE PEOPLE. AND TO BE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE TO EMPLOYMENT AND GET PEOPLE TO EDUCATION. GET PEOPLE TO RECREATIONAL AREAS. SO THESE KIDS AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO TAKE PART IN THIS WONDERFUL CITY THAT WE ARE BUILDING IN ALL THESE CORNERS OF THE CITY AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE TRANSPORTATION IS A KEY ELEMENT TO THAT AFFORDABLE TRANSPORTATION. GET PEOPLE TO PEOPLE'S JOBS. AGAIN, OFF TOPIC ON THE POOL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING PROACTIVE AND ENSURING THE SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS OF TAMPA AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR ALL OF THIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT START BY SAYING THANK FOR YOUR WORK AND PUBLIC'S WORK AND KEEP TAMPA BAY BECAUSE I WAS THERE FOR THE BOAT PARADE AND SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, SULPHUR SPRINGS TRADITION EVERY YEAR. AND YOU REALLY COULD BARELY SEE IT. YOU CAN'T SEE THE RIVER FROM THAT SPOT. SO I AM HAPPY TO HEAR THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON CLEANING UP. AND YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT CLEANING UP THAT SPACE AND MAKING IT MORE ACCESSIBLE. I APPRECIATE THAT. I WILL ECHO WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY. I DON'T THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA TO REALLY THINK OF RENOVATION AT THIS POINT. TO ME, IT IS NOT JUST A THING OF MONEY, IT'S TIME. WE -- THERE ARE A LOT OF PARKING SPACES IN THAT PARK THAT CAN EASILY BE A POOL. SO THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. SO I REALLY PREFER TO LOOK AT REPLACEMENT, JUST BECAUSE AT THE POINT THAT YOU PUT $4 MILLION IN TO FIX AND MOVE THE WATER AND DO THIS. WHY NOT PUT THAT TOWARD A NEW POOL. AND THE SOONER WE START THINKING ABOUT THAT, THE SOONER WE CAN GET IT OPEN. AND I THINK THAT IS REALLY WHAT WE ARE ALL LOOKING FOR. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE CAN REOPEN IT, BUT I WOULD BE HESITANT TO PUT ANY MONEY TOWARD THAT DUE TO WHAT'S UNDER IT. AND YOU MAY BE ABLE TO FIX IT. I AM SURE THERE ARE GREAT ENGINEERS OUT THERE, BUT LIABILITY-WISE AND COMFORT LEVEL-WISE, WHEN YOU ARE THINKING OF REBAR THAT IS NOT DOING WELL UNDER THE POOL. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARE GOING TO FIX THAT WITHOUT OPENING IT UP. FROM WHAT YOU SAY, IT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE THAT WAS A WISE PATH TO GO DOWN AND INSTEAD LOOKING AT WHERE ELSE ON THIS SPACE CAN WE PUT A NEW POOL. BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, IT IS GOING TO BE EVENTUAL. SO I WOULD RATHER RIP THAT BAND-AID OFF AND PUT MONEY TOWARD A NEW POOL, BECAUSE IF WE CAN START SOMETHING NOW, WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET A POOL OPEN BY NEXT SWIM SEASON. THAT WILL BE -- THAT WILL BE A LOFTY GOAL TO BEGIN WITH, BUT REALLY WONDERFUL. SO I HOPE YOU AND YOUR TEAM AND THE ADMINISTRATION THINK ABOUT THAT. >>TONY MULKEY: PART OF THE EQUATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: I FIGURED PART OF THE EQUATION, BUT PUT A LITTLE MORE PLUG. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR TEAM FOR STAYING ON TOP OF THIS. I KNOW IT IS TOUGH COMMUNICATING WITH THE PUBLIC ON THIS. FASTER WE CAN GET INFORMATION OUT, THE BETTER. THANK YOU FOR BEING ON TOP OF IT. DESPITE THE NUMBERS, MY PREFERENCE IS PRESERVATION ALWAYS. IF YOU ARE EVEN CONSIDERING NOT DOING PRESERVATION, I WOULD GET TOGETHER THE PRESERVATION GROUPS IMMEDIATELY, LIKE NEXT WEEK, AND START MEETING WITH THEM AND TALKING WITH THEM AND GET THEIR COUNSEL. AND IF THERE IS A CONSENSUS THAT ANOTHER PATH IS THE RIGHT WAY, WOULD YOU BE BETTER OFF HAVING THEM ON YOUR SIDE OR THEY MAY HAVE INNOVATIVE IDEAS TO HELP. AND TO THE -- TO THE SULPHUR SPRINGS AREA IN GENERAL. YOU KNOW, I HAVE BEEN AGAINST ANY NEW CRAS. BECAUSE CRAS -- I CALL THEM TAXPAYER SUBSIDIZED GENTRIFICATION FOR HIGH RISES. DEVELOPERS ARE SAYING THEY ARE ALREADY BUYING PROPERTY AROUND SULPHUR SPRINGS. DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK THERE IS A NOT A BIG DEVELOPMENT THAT A CRA, BUT PEOPLE ARE BUYING BUILDINGS PUTTING IN NEW USES AND IT WILL HAPPEN VERY FAST. REMEMBER SEMINOLE HEIGHTS BACK IN THE '90s, BUY A BIG HOUSE FOR $30,000. MAYBE NOT THAT LOW, BUT THINGS ARE GOING TO POP FAST WE NEED TO -- THIS IS NOT YOUR AREA, BUT WE NEED TO WORK ON THE SULPHUR SPRINGS PLAN ASAP TO GUIDE THAT FOR THE HISTORY AND CULTURE OF THE COMMUNITY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES? >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, I WAS GOING TO SAY WHENEVER. YOU BRING UP THE ISSUE OF THE CRA. NUMBER ONE, I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA AND A SORT OF FORCED DISCUSSION OF DOING SOMETHING BIG AND STRUCTURAL IN THE SULPHUR SPRINGS AREA. I DON'T CARE IF IT HAPPENS BY CRA, BY SING 12 HAIL MEARS AS A LEMONADE STAND. I WANT TO GET THE JOB DONE. MR. CHAIR, MAKE A QUICK MOTION. AND TO REQUEST THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WHEN THEY DO A BUDGET PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL THAT THERE WILL BE A SLIDE DEDICATED WHAT THAT BUDGET DOES FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>LUIS VIERA: I KNOW WE HAVE A WORKSHOP COMING UP ON SULPHUR SPRINGS AS WELL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU GET THE CITY AND YOU LOOK AT IT IN DISTRICT 4, 5, 6 AND 7, AND LOOK AT IT AS A TOTAL AND WATCH WHAT THE CITY SPENDS IN EACH FOUR PIECES OF PIE, YOU WILL FIND OUT THEY ARE VERY, VERY CLOSE. I WILL GUARANTEE YOU THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I WILL KEEP TALKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ASKING THEM FOR THE MONEY. AGAIN, WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ELSEWHERE, A GREAT -- NOT EVEN A LEGACY PROJECT. COMMUNITY DESERVE IT IS. AND THE COMMUNITY USE IT IS. NOT LIKE OH, WE ARE GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING PRETTY. THE DEMAND IS THERE. AN UNDERSERVED COMMUNITY. I DON'T THINK IT IS THE CITY'S FAULT. I THINK -- IT IS HOW TIMES HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS. YOU HAVE THE BIG K-MART PROPERTY. THAT WAS HUGE. NOW THERE ARE BUSINESSES THERE. BUT MY MOTH WILL TELL YOU -- HOW MUCH TIME THEY SPENT IN SULPHUR SPRINGS IN THE '600s AND '70s AND HOW MUCH HAVE CHANGED AND HOW MUCH THE REST OF THE CITY HAS BEEN FLOURISHED. IT HAS BEEN NEGLECTED AND FORGOTTEN ON BUSY FLORIDA AVENUE, NEBRASKA AVENUE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HILLSBOROUGH RIVER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS A BEAUTIFUL -- I CAN'T -- I GOT CRITICIZED FOR CALLING A NEIGHBORHOOD BEAUTIFUL. A GREAT AND IMPORTANT PART OF THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MULKEY. YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB AS DIRECTOR AND THANK YOU FOR ALWAYS BEING SO RESPONSIVE. BECAUSE YOU JUST -- GO AHEAD. COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, GO AHEAD. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WANT TO SAY THIS REALLY FOR THE PUBLIC. I KNOW MR. MULKEY HAS A TOUGH JOB TO DO WHEN IT COMES TO SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL. BUT EVEN IF WE GET TO THE REST LOUIS, IT IS GOING TO TAKE MONEY AND GOING TO TAKE TIME. AND I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO HEAR THAT. IT WON'T BE RESOLVED PROBABLY IN 2025. I KNOW THAT IS DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO HEAR, BUT THE PROBLEM SEEMS TO BE MAJOR ENOUGH WHERE IT IS GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY AND IT IS GOING TO TAKE TIME TO GET RESOLVED AND GOING TO HAVE TO BE PUT IN THE BUDGET. AND I KNOW THAT THE CITIZENS, YOU KNOW, USE THIS AS A HIGH END AS ONE OF THE TOP THREE POOLS BEING USED. IN THE REALITY OF THINGS, IT IS OUR JOB SAY THE TOUGH STUFF. AND IT IS JUST NOT GOING TO BE A SOLUTION THAT IS RESOLVED OVERNIGHT. I WANT TO SAY THAT TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE I KNOW THAT HAS TO BE SAID. AND I DON'T MIND PUTTING NEWS OUT THERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MULKEY. >>TONY MULKEY: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 94. THIS IS MR. BHIDE WHO I BELIEVE -- HE MAY STILL BE ONLINE. >>VIK BHIDE: GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY HERE TO ADDRESS NUMBER 94. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN CARLSON REGARDING BAYSHORE BOULEVARD. AND -- AND SPECIFICALLY WHAT -- WHAT WORK HAS BEEN DONE. AND UPDATE COUNCIL ON THE SCHEDULE FOR ADDITIONAL CHANGES, INCLUDING MID CROSSINGS. A MEMO TODAY WAS SUBMITTED TO COUNCIL. AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: VIK, FOR THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE NOT READ IT. SINCE YOU HAVE BEEN WAITING ALL AFTERNOON, CAN YOU DO THE ONE, TWO MINUTES OF WHAT YOU RECOMMENDED SUMMARY? >>VIK BHIDE: SURE, ABSOLUTELY. IN THE MEMO, WE KIND OF OUTLINED STARTING FROM 2018, BUT I DO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT BAYSHORE IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE FOCUS EVERY OTHER YEAR AT THE VERY LEAST. AND WITH GOOD REASON. IT IS THE JEWEL OF TAMPA, AMONG OTHER THINGS. SO SINCE 2018, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD. THAT DOES INCLUDE ADDITION OF FOUR BEACON ASSISTED OR BEACON OUTFITTED CROSSWALKS ALONG BAYSHORE BETWEEN GANDY AND PLATT. WE HAVE UPDATED -- OR REDUCED THE SPEED LIMIT FROM 40 TO 35. WE REDUCED LANE WIDTH BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN SHOWN TO REDUCE THE SPEED AT WHICH YOU CAN COMFORTABLY DRIVE IN THE SAME FACILITY. AND WE HAVE SEEN THAT AND THERE IS A LOT OF EVIDENCE FOR IT AS WELL. WE MODIFIED SIGNAL OPERATIONS. AND ALSO ADDED TWO SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS OR TRAFFIC SIGNALS AT ROME AND EUCLID. THIS WAS DONE ABOUT THREE, FOUR YEARS BACK AFTER A COUPLE OF UNFORTUNATE FATALITIES IN THE AREA. SINCE DOING ALL OF THIS WORK ON BAYSHORE, NORTH OF GANDY, WE HAVE OBSERVED A REDUCTION IN SERIOUS CRASHES. THERE HAVE BEEN NO REPORTED FATALITIES IN THE LAST FEW YEARS AS MENTIONED IN THE MEMO IT ITSELF. AND WE HAVE SEEN AVERAGE SPEEDS BE LOWER THAN BEFORE ALSO. SO SOME OF THE WORK THAT TPD HAS DONE. SOME OF THE WORK THAT WE HAVE DONE INCREMENTALLY TOWARD THE DESIGN OF THE FACILITY DOES SEEM TO BE PAYING DIVIDENDS. SOUTH OF GANDY, MORE RECENTLY, WE FOCUSED ON THE BALLAST POINT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WORKED, AGAIN, WITH TPD AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE AREA TO PUT IN ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CALMING. ESPECIALLY AT INTERSECTIONS, ALL-WAY STOPS, PILOTING SOME NEW NOISE ENFORCEMENT SIGNS AND LOWERING THE SPEED LIMIT FROM 25 TO 35 MILES PER HOUR BECAUSE APPROPRIATE FOR THE CONTEXT OF BEING RESIDENTIAL. I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT BAYSHORE BETWEEN GANDY A AND BROREEN IS A COUNTY OWNED FACILITY. AND WE MAINTAIN IT UNDER AGREEMENT WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. AND PART OF THAT AGREEMENT WE MAKE REQUEST FOR CAPITAL UPGRADES ON THIS FACILITY. AND ATTACHED WITH THE MEMO THE SIGNAL INSTALLATION THAT THE CITY SPENT WITH CIP DOLLARS AT ROME AND EUCLID MORE PERMANENT SO CONCRETE POLES RATHER THAN THE WOOD POLES THAT WE HAVE ALLOCATIONS FOR REPAIRING THE SEAWALL ALONG BAYSHORE. INCREASED MAINTENANCE IN THE AREA INTO THE SEAWALL NOT BEING THE BEST SHAPE, AND ALSO THE CONCRETE SURFACE AROUND BAYSHORE ITSELF DOING SOME REPAIRS AND CAPITAL UPGRADES TO THAT. ALL OF THESE ELEMENTS ARE IN THE LETTER THAT WE SUBMIT TO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AS I MENTIONED. AND WE HAVE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL WORK PLANNED COMING UP AS WELL. >>BILL CARLSON: I COULD JUST ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET OUT OF HERE. BUT ALMOST EVERY DAY I SEE PEOPLE PUSHING STROLLERS ACROSS BAYSHORE. BALANCING THEIR KID ON THE MEDIAN WHILE THEY CROSS IN A PLACE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A CROSSWALK. SOME OF THEM ARE 20 FEET, 10 FEET -- I HAVE SEEN THEM 10 FEET FROM THE FLASHING LIGHTS, BALANCING THEIR -- THE STROLLERS. IS THAT -- IS THAT -- HOW DO WE SOLVE THAT PROBLEM? DOES THAT MEAN WE NEED MORE CROSSINGS OR SOMEHOW ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO ACROSS -- HOW DO WE SOLVE -- BECAUSE IT SEEMS WE ARE ON OUR WAY TO GET ANOTHER PERSON HIT. >>VIK BHIDE: THAT A VERY GOOD POINT. AND THERE ARE EXISTING CURB CUTS THAT ARE LEGALLY CROSSWALKS. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON MARKING AND HIGHLIGHTING A LITTLE BIT BETTER. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONCERNS RELATIVE TO CROSSWALK AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT OUR APPROACH TO THAT FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE HAS CHANGED AS WELL. TO YOUR POINT, FOLLOW THE PEDESTRIAN. WHERE THE PEDESTRIANS ARE CROSSING IS WHERE YOU NEED TO HAVE FACILITIES. THE CHALLENGE HAS BEEN FUNDING. I WILL BE REMISS NOT TO MENTION THAT, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT IT IS NOT A CITY FACILITY, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON. MARKING EXISTING CROSSWALKS, AND CONTINUING TO LOOK AT WHAT ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO SLOW TRAFFIC AND IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VIK, I APPRECIATE IT. AND I APPRECIATE OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS ISSUE. YOU KIND OF HIT ON THAT. ONE OF MY ISSUES WERE THE MID BLOCK CROSSWALKS, AND NOT FOLLOWING THE BEHAVIOR OF PEOPLE, BECAUSE PEOPLE STILL WANT TO CROSS -- WHEN THEY COME DOWN THE STREET. THEY WANT TO CROSS WHERE THEY COME DOWN THE STREET AND I WITNESS IT EVERY DAY. AND I APPRECIATE YOU LOOKING AT THAT AND NOT DROPPING THE BALL ON THAT TO LOOK AT THOSE OPTIONS TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION. SOMETHING SELF-EVIDENT AND I AM WAITING FOR FATALITY. MINOR ACCIDENTS. I KNOW I BROUGHT THIS UP. A LOT OF THESE ACCIDENTS THAT WERE IN YOUR REPORT WERE THINGS THAT ACTUALLY ROSE TO THE LEVEL OF -- OF FILING A POLICE REPORT. BUT WE KNOW IN THE CITY OF FLORIDA, YOU DON'T NEZ NECESSARILY HAVE TO FILE A POLICE REPORT AND STRAIGHT TO INSURANCE. I WITNESSED ACCIDENT AFTER ACCIDENT AS FAR AS FENDER-BENDERS. SCREECHING OF THE BREAKS AND SMASH. YOU JUST HEAR IT. I WOULDN'T SAY EVERY DAY BUT EVERY FEW DAYS I SEE IT. I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY COGNIZANT AND UNDERSTAND STATISTICS FROM PD IS NOT THE ENTIRE STORY WHAT IS HAPPENING OUT THERE. THE NEAR MISSES. WE ARE NOT CAPTURING THE NEAR MISSES AND ALMOST FATALITIES AND ALMOST ACCIDENTS THAT WE ARE SEEING THERE IN REALTIME. SO I THINK IT IS STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS. I I AGREE HE WITH YOU FUNDING. HOPEFULLY IF YOU COME BACK WITH A PLAN THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO HELP YOU WITH THAT AS WE DEVELOP THE FLAG '25 BUDGET TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE FUNDING AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER FATALITY ON BAYSHORE AND I AM SURE IT IS STILL A TICKING TIME BOMB AND SAFETY GAPS WE HAVE TO FIX. THANK YOU FOR STAYING ON TOP OF IT BECAUSE IT IS THE JEWEL OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WE HAVE TO STAY ON TOP OF THINGS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE. NEXT UP, ITEM NUMBER 95. COUNCILMAN VIERA WISHES TO SAY A FEW WORDS ON THIS ITEM. >>LUIS VIERA: NO, I DON'T. 97. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 95 WE CAN RECEIVE AND FILE. 97, YOU WISH TO SAY A FEW WORDS? >>LUIS VIERA: WELL, THANK YOU. OFFICER MORRIS, THE 75th ANNIVERSARY YEAR AFTER HIS MURDER AND DEATH. SO I SPOKE -- I WANT TO UPDATE FOLKS. I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING TO HIS GRANDSON, MORRIS LOPEZ III. A REALLY NICE GENTLEMAN. HE IS WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT EITHER HAVING A CITY PLAQUE OR POTENTIALLY WORKING WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ON A HISTORICAL MARKER. AND THERE IS THE CITY OF TAMPA POLICE MEMORIAL BOARD AND ILL BE REACHING OUT TO THEM TOMORROW. LONG STORY SHORT. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE SO MANY EXCEPTIONAL PEOPLE. TOO MANY IN FACT WHO HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES WITH TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS TAMPA FIRE RESCUE IN DIFFERENT WAYS FOR FOLKS HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. THEN ON JULY 9 OF 1949, OFFICER LOPEZ WAS ON 7th AVENUE AND 16th IN YBOR CITY WHEN HE WAS MURDERED. A PERSON BELIEVED TO BE A GANGSTER SHOT HIM WHILE DRIVING IN HIS CAR. WHILE HE WAS SUFFERING FROM THE WOUNDS THAT WILL ULTIMATELY TAKE HIS LIFE, HE SAW THERE WERE BULLETS TO A YOUNG PAPER BOY NEXT TO HIM. DYING AND SHOT AND PUSHED THE PAPER BOY OUT OF THE WAY IN HIS LAST MOMENT. WHAT INTERESTING, NOT JUST WITH HIS GRANDSON MORRIS LOPEZ III, DIVISION CHIEF WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FIRE RESCUE TO BECOME A FIRE FIGHTER. BUT THE SON OF THE PAPER BOY WOULD BECOME A FIRST RESPONDER AND BECOME A FIRE FIGHTER AND CREDIT INSPIRATION OF THE LATE OFFICER MORRIS LOPEZ. FOR ME WHEN PEOPLE ARE ON 7th AVENUE DOING GOD KNOWS WHAT, A HERO GAVE HIS LIFE OVER THERE. HOPEFULLY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER WE CAN GET THIS DONE. I DON'T NEED ANYTHING FROM COUNCIL AND HOPEFULLY GET THIS DONE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NUMBER 100. THERE IS A WRITTEN REPORT. WE DO NOT NEED STAFF PRESENT. IS THE COUNCIL SATISFIED WITH THE WRITTEN REPORT FOR ITEM 100? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT BRINGS US TO MR. SHELBY FOR ITEMS 92 AND 93. GO AHEAD, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, I AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. TAKE 92. IF WE CAN GO TO THE OVERHEAD. THE ELMO. KNOWN AS THE WOLF. AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I PUT TOGETHER BASED ON TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE INPUT RECEIVED FROM CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS REGARDING THE PROCESS THAT CITY COUNCIL WILL FOLLOW TO INITIATE THE HONORARY NAMING OF CITY-OWNED PROPERTY. AND IT BEGINS WITH AN APPLICATION COMPLETED PURSUANT TO THE CITY CODE AND ATTACHED TO THE MEMORANDUM BY THE SPONSORING COUNCILMEMBER DETAILING JUSTIFICATION WHY THE PARTICULAR CITY SHOULD BE NAMED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PERSON CITED. YOU TALKED OF LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION. I PUT IN LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION NEIGHBORHOODS BUSINESS AND CIVIC ASSOCIATIONS OR CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS SHOULD ACCOMPANY THE SUBMISSION AND AGAIN TALK ABOUT TIMING. I PUT IN THE MEMORANDUM, APPLICATION AND LETTER PACKAGE DISTRIBUTED TO CITY COUNCIL NO LESS THAN TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO THE MOTION MADE UNDER NEW BUSINESS SETTING THE MATTER ON A FUTURE DATE. THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL IN THE LAW, A CONDITION WITH PROCEEDING TO YOU EVEN MAKING THE MOTION. IF COUNCIL WISHES TO HAVE THAT INCORPORATED, WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A -- ARE THE RULES OF PROCEDURE THAT ALREADY I TOOK THE -- I TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALREADY IND UNINCORPORATE THAT IN A SUBSTITUTE IF THAT IS -- IF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO COUNCIL. IF COUNCIL PROPOSES ANY CHANGES, WE CAN MAKE THOSE CHANGES AND PRESENT IT TO THE CLERK CONSISTENT WITH YOUR MOTION. THAT IS 92. ANY COMMENTS? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY COMMENTS? I THINK THAT IS VERY WELL WRITTEN. VERY SPECIFIC. GIVES COUNCILMEMBERS ADVANCED NOTICE OF WHAT IS COMING. BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED SEVERAL WEEKS. AND IT ALSO -- I WOULD SAY THAT IS THE INDIVIDUAL. THE PROPOSED HONOREE WITH LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU MENTIONED. AND SO WE CAN AVOID ANY -- ANY FUTURE ISSUES WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS -- THERE IS SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME DISAGREEMENTS. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I MISSED THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE I WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY, BUT I APPRECIATED THE DEPTH OF WHICH YOU ALL WENT IN AND ALL THE DETAILS YOU DISCUSSED DURING THAT TIME. THE ONE THING I KEPT WANTING TO ADD LISTENING TO IT IS I WISH SOMEWHERE, WE CAN THIS IS A VERY RARE THING. WE SHOULDN'T DO IT VERY OFTEN. THE IDEA OF DOING PLAQUE LIKE COUNCILMAN VIERA TALKED ABOUT, THAT IS A GREAT IDEA AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE PLAQUES GO UP ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND THE -- BUT RENAMING A BUILDING OR ROAD, IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT THINGS TO DO. AND THERE AREN'T THAT MANY OF THEM. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE REALLY DISTINGUISH BETWEEN A COMMENDATION AND THIS -- WHICH WE DO MORE OF AND PLAQUES THAT WE DO SLIGHTLY LESS OF. AND NAMING WHICH IS VERY, VERY FEW. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MR. MASSEY -- WHAT IS YOUR NAME? >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY NAME IS 5:55 P.M. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THINKING OF HIM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MORRIS'S BIRTHDAY, NOT YOURS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MORRIS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT SHE'S SHELBY I WILL ASK YOU TO MAKE A MOTION TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO YOUR RULES IF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO COUNCIL. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DID HAVE IT LIFTED UP. I DID. YES, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO MAKE A MOTION TO INCORPORATE THE 92 INTO THE RULES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ABSOLUTELY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. WHO IS THE SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL RIGHT, MR. SHELBY, 93. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NEXT UP. LET'S START WITH THE RULES YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. IF I CAN DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO PAGE 3, BECAUSE A WONDERFUL SUGGESTION TODAY. AS YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE GOTTEN A REQUEST, LET'S SAY, ON TODAY'S AGENDA. A SIGNIFICANT EVENT IS THE -- IS THE APPOINTMENT OF A MEMBER OF SENIOR STAFF. THAT HAPPENED TODAY. WHAT HAPPENS IS, IT NORMALLY APPEARS CONTINUE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA AND ALWAYS A REQUEST FOR IT TO BE MOVED UP FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. SO A DISCUSSION WAS MADE, WHICH I THINK IS A GOOD ONE. ALREADY SOMETHING NEW IN YOUR ORDER OF BUSINESS CALLED "BOARD APPOINTMENTS." BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING -- IF ANY, TO BE ABLE TO APPEAR SOMEWHERE ON THE AGENDA RATHER THAN PUT IN WITH COMMENDATIONS. >>BILL CARLSON: SO MOVED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT IT SAYS THERE, BOARD AND ADMINISTRATION APPOINTMENTS. SO STAFF WOULD THEN -- THE CHIEF OF STAFF WILL NOT HAVE TO SEND A MEMO EVERY TIME TO REQUEST IT TO BE MOVED UP. IT WOULD NORMALLY BE UP THERE ON THE THE. >>BILL CARLSON: SO MOVED. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: 5-B WHICH IS GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO DO I. >>MARTIN SHELBY: GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. I SENT YOU A MEMO THAT IS DATED MAY 22. AND I HAD TO CROSS OUT, A STRIKE THROUGH AND UNDERLINE. BUT JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT SAYS TODAY, AS PROPOSED, IT SAYS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE GIVEN A REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD AT TIME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TAKES FINAL ACTION ON A MATTER AND SHALL ADHERE TO ALL TIME LIMITATIONS THAT WILL APPLY. 50E67 MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE AFFORDED THREE MINUTES UNLESS TIME LIMITS A OTHERWISE ESTABLISHED IN THESE RULES OR MODIFIED BY COUNCIL OF THE MEETING IN SESSION. YOU CAN DO THAT AND YOU DO ALWAYS DO THAT. B IS THE ONE MOST SIGNIFICANT NOW. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC REQUESTING TO BE HEARD ON AN ITEM THAT IS NOT SET FOR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE REGULAR MEETING AGENDA SHALL EACH SUBMIT A SPEAKER CARD PRIOR TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. THIS ONLY APPLIES TO REGULAR MEETINGS AND GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. DOES NOT APPLY TO PUBLIC HEARINGS. IT DOES NOT APPLY TO WORKSHOPS. DOES NOT APPLY TO CRA. OBVIOUSLY THE CRA IS A DIFFERENT AGENCY. SHALL PRESENT A SPEAKER CARD PRIOR TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT CLEARLY IDENTIFYING THEMSELVES BY NAME FOR THE RECORD. THE PROCESS GIVE PREFERENCE TO THOSE SPEAKING ON AGENDA ITEMS AND PERMIT THE CHAIR TO KNOW THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS IN ADVANCE. EACH PERSON WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY NAME TO APPROACH AND SPEAK AND YOU CAN DO THAT AT THE POINT THAT -- THE NEXT SPEAKER IS LISA EDWARDS TO BE FOLLOWED BY KELLY SHARP TO GIVE THE NEXT PERSON NOTICE THAT THEY WILL BE UP NEXT. AND THE NEXT PERSON KELLY SHARP FOLLOWED BY MARTIN SHELBY AND THE LIKE. NOW WHAT -- I HAVE GOTTEN FEEDBACK ON -- I AM OPEN TO DISCUSSION ON THIS. BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND SIGNIFICANCE OF IT. PEOPLE SEE THE LINE THAT SAYS, FIRST OF ALL, IT SAYS EACH PERSON WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY NAME TO APPROACH AND SPEAK. THEY WILL BE CALLED OUT BY NAME. NOT A LINE-UP ALONG THE WALL. WON'T BE PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING DOWN AND ALL OF A SUDDEN GETS UP. MAKES FOR A MORE ORDERLY TRANSITION. TIME LIMITS SHALL APPLY WITH GENERAL PUB PICK COMMENT WITH A TOTAL OF 45 MINUTES. AND I RECOGNIZE IF THAT IS A PROBLEM, WE CAN ADJUST THAT AND ADDRESS THAT AND TAKE THAT OUT AND CHANGE IT TO HOWEVER YOU WANT. BUT THE WAY I LOOKED AT THAT TIME AT THE TIME WAS THE 45 MINUTES REFERRED TO IS MERELY A PLACE HOLDER TO ALLOW THE COUNCIL TO STOP AND ASSESS HOW THEY WISHES TO CONTINUE. AND YOU WILL KNOW AT THAT TIME THAT POINT -- THE CHAIR WILL ALWAYS KNOW HOW MANY REMAINING SPEAKERS WISH TO SPEAK OF AGENDA ITEMS AND WAITING FOR SPEAK ON MATTERS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA. MULTIPLE OPTION IT IS YOU WANT KEEP THAT IN THERE AND STOP AFTER 45 MINUTES. YOU CAN AGREE UPON ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF TIME WHICH ALLOWS THE COUNCIL TO CONTINUE TAKING COMMENT AND NECESSARY TO AGAIN STOP AFTER ANOTHER 45 MINUTES OR WHATEVER TO STOP AND REASSESS OR TWO, WHAT YOU CONSISTENTLY AND CUSTOMARILY DO, PROCEED THROUGH THE REMAINING SPEAKERS. HERE YOU WILL PROCEED THROUGH THE REMAINING CARDS WITH NO REGARD TO THE LENGTH OF TIME. ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT CAME UP THAT WAS ULTIMATELY REJECTED BY CITY COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY AT OUR SPECIAL CALLED -- SPECIAL CALLED MEETING WAS TO CHANGE THE TIME IF IT IS A LENGTHY AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE TO CHANGE WITH OFF-AGENDA ITEMS TO REDUCE IT TO TWO MINUTES. THAT IS THE COUNCIL'S OPTION. COUNCIL CAN DO THREE MINUTES. WHATEVER IT WISHES. AND THEN, AGAIN, IF COUNCIL SO CHOOSE FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU CAN END THE MORNING SESSION AT PUBLIC COMMENT. MY ADVICE TO ALLOW ALL THOSE WHO HAVE ON-AGENDA ITEMS TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THAT IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT IF IT IS TAKEN FINAL ACTION. AND THEN INVITE THE REMAINING SPEAKERS TO SPEAK AT THE END OF THE MEETING. THOSE ARE NOT WITHIN YOUR RULES, BUT ALL OPTIONS THAT COUNCIL HAS. WHAT YOU DO HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A SPEAKER WAIVER -- EXCUSE ME, A SPEAKER -- A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT CARD. NOT THE SAME AS A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM THAT REMAINS AND ONLY APPLIES AT PUBLIC HEARINGS. YOU SEE TO MY LEFT -- COMMENT ON THE CARD FIRST. YOU NOTICE IT IS VERY, VERY SIMPLE. HAS THE DATE, THE NAME, JUST THE CITY AND STATE AND A YES OR NO. IT ON THE AGENDA ITEM OR OFF-THE-AGENDA ITEM. CHECK NO. IF YES, WHICH ITEMS AND THEY CAN LIST BY THREE. IF THEY HAVE MORE, THEY CAN LIST AS MANY AS THEY WANT. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE:THE CARD. SEE OTHER SIDE. CARDS ARE ACCEPTED UNTIL THE START OF GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. THE REASON IS THIS. GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT BEGINS AFTER YOUR INVOCATION, AFTER YOUR APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA, AFTER THE COMMENDATIONS AND AFTER THE PRESENTATIONS. AND BY THAT TIME, THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEAK HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. THEY CAN ALSO REGISTER, BY THE WAY, THIS ALSO DOES NOT DO ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO THE PHONE REGISTRATION, THE PREREGISTRATION AND BEING ABLE TO CALL IN. THEY ALWAYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. WHAT HAPPENS THEN IS THAT PEOPLE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND HERE I WILL MOVE MYSELF OVER IF THE CAMERA COULD FOLLOW ME OVER. TO THE OTHER SIDE. THERE WE GO. WHAT A VIEW. THIS, AGENDA, IS THE -- IS THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT SPEAKER BOX. ALL IT TAKES IS TO TAKE THIS, FILL THE CARD IN, AND THEN YOU DROP IT IN THE BOX. WHAT HAPPENS THEN IS AT THE START -- BEFORE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, THE CARDS ARE TAKEN OUT. AND THEY ARE TAKEN OUT IN THE ORDER OF WHICH THEY WERE PUT IN. THE LAST CARD IS ALWAYS ON TOP. AND IT IS VERY SIMPLE. THEY GET CALLED -- THEY GET SORTED INTO TWO PILES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ON-AGENDA, OFF-AGENDA. AT THE END OF THE TWO PILES, THE FIRST CARD AT THE VERY BOTTOM IS NOW ON THE TOP AND ONLY A MATTER OF GOING THROUGH THE PILE OF THOSE ON-AGENDA AND FOLLOWED BY THOSE OFF-AGENDA. VERY ORDERLY AND WHAT IT DOES, SAVES PEOPLE HAVING TO STAND ON LINE, WAIT ON THE WALL. AND EVEN AS YOU SPEAK NOW, YOU CAN BE HERE VERY, VERY EARLY. BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE THE FIRST TO SPEAK UNLESS YOU RUSH UP AND STAND ONLINE. SO THIS WAY I THINK IT IS MUCH MORE ORDERLY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DOES THAT CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION? >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO I WANT TO SHOW YOU THIS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GIVE THE MAN A MIC. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE CITY SEAL IS ON THERE AND WANT TO THANK LISA EDWARDS WORKING WITH CITY GRAPHICS TO DO THIS. I WANT YOU TO SEE SOME OF THE RULES FOR THE PUBLIC -- I AM DOING THIS ALSO FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC. AND CERTAINLY IT IS GOING TO BE -- IF COUNCIL AGREES TO WITH THIS PROCESS, IT IS GOING TO BE OBVIOUSLY CHANGED. AND CERTAINLY SOME ACCOMMODATION ALSO NEED TO BE MADE UNTIL PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. SO HERE IS WHAT IT SAYS, PLEASE PRINT CLEARLY. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD. PLACE IT IN THE BOX. CARDS WILL BE ACCEPTED UNTIL THE START OF GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. EACH PERSON SUBMITTING THE CARD RECOGNIZED BY NAME. TIME LIMITS SHALL APPLY. AND NAMES CANNOT BE READ WILL NOT BE CALLED. MAY SEEM UNFAIR, BUT PEOPLE WHO CANNOT PRINT CLEARLY, THAT IS WHY THE LAST LINE SAYS, IF YOU NEED ASSISTANCE, PLEASE SEE CITY STAFF. I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND WITH JENELLE McGREGOR TO SEE IF WE HAVE OUTWARDLY FACING PEOPLE WHO WORK WITH NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE PUBLIC. AND WE WILL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HELP AND ASSIST WITH THIS PROCESS. EVEN -- EVEN RAQUEL PONCHO. RAQUEL PONCHO. IF SOMEBODY IS NOT PHYSICALLY CAPABLE OF GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE WANT TO FACILITATE THAT. WE DON'T THAT NOW QUITE FRANKLY. DON'T HAVE ANYBODY BY THE LECTERN. THAT IT. WE WANT TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC HEARING MAINTAIN THE SIGN-IN SHEETS. I HEARD THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TALK THIS MORNING WITH ERIC HAYDEN. IF COUNCIL WISHES TO GO TO THE DIRECTION OF USING THAT AS A SPRINGBOARD TO HAVE AT LEAST THAT FOR PUBLIC HEARING, THAT IS ALSO A WAY TO DO THIS. THIS, BY THE WAY WILL BE ABLE TO BE IMPLEMENTED WHEN THESE RULES TAKE EFFECT AFTER YOU MOVE THEM TODAY ON JUNE 20. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUT THE PAGE BACK UP SHOWIN THE GUIDELINES FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THREE MINUTES AND TWO MINUTES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS IN MY MEMO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I JUST NEED IT JUST TO CLARIFY MY POINT BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. I DON'T AGREE WITH HAVING EVEN WHEN IT IS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE THE 45-MINUTE TOTAL BECAUSE I THINK IT IS DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM COMING. I RAN OUT OF TIME. I DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK. IT CAN BE CONFUSING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: REFRAMED OR TAKEN OUT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TAKE OUT THE 45-MINUTE TIME. I DON'T AGREE WITH REDUCING TO WO MINUTES. EVEN IF IT IS AN OFF-AGENDA ITEM. I THINK IT SHOULD BE THREE MINUTES. THE REASON IS, I SERVED ON THE TPO FOR FIVE YEARS. IN THE FIRST TIF MEETING, SIX HOURS OF PUBLIC COMMENT. PEOPLE FILLED OUT CARDS. LES MILLER -- COMMISSIONER MILLER WAS THE CHAIRPERSON AT THE TIME. AND HE READ -- HE DID A QUEUE OF THREE PEOPLE. A, B AND C. SO TWO PEOPLE END UP. ONE PERSON SPOKE. EVERYBODY SPOKE. WE NEVER REDUCE THE TIME FROM THREE MINUTES TO TWO MINUTES. AND WE WERE THERE UNTIL 2:00 IN THE MORNING. A YEAR AFTER THAT WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT FOR FOUR OR FIVE HOURS. SO WE ARE NOT REDUCING -- OR ELIMINATING OR PROHIBITING ANYBODY FROM SPEAKING. THE ON-AGENDA ITEMS BEFORE WE GO TO OFF-AGENDA ITEMS. THAT MAKES SENSE. PEOPLE FILTH THAT OUT ON THE CARD. PEOPLE WITH ON-AGENDA ITEMS MAY BE HERE FOR SOMETHING ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. A FINANCIAL TIE. SOMETHING WITH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. PUTTING PEOPLE AT THE -- REMAINING SPEAKERS AT THE END OF THE MEETING. WE ARE AT 6:00. I CAN'T IMAGINE SOMEBODY RUNNING OUT TO THE METER OR USING THE APP OR WHATEVER TO PAY A FORTUNE IN PARKING JUST TO BE HEARD. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PUSH ANYBODY TO THE END. SO JUST THOSE FEW THINGS WE SHOULD ELIMINATE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY ARE NOT IN THE RULES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BUT WE SHOULD NOT INCLUDE THEM. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM NOT EVEN ASKING YOU TO DO THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HE JUST TYPED THAT UP. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WITH THE CARD, IT IS PRINT VERY CLEARLY. I HAD MY NAME BUTCHERED AND MISPRONOUNCED MIND ENTIRE LIFE AND I WILL MAKE AN EFFORT TO READ PEOPLE'S NAMES. I DON'T THINK IT IS THAT MUCH OF AN ISSUE. ARE YOU HERE TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM? YES OR NO. YES, THESE ARE THE AGENDA ITEMS. I'M HERE TO TALK OF THE SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL. ITEM NUMBER WHATEVER UNDER STAFF REPORTS OR NO, NOBODY IS PROHIBITED. I GET PRIORITY FOR WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE GO BY AN AGENDA AND GO TO THE NONAGENDA FOLKS. OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK WE CAN MAKE THIS WORK. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. SECTION B AND THE THREE PARAGRAPHS AFTER THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN OFF. WE ARE -- WE ARE THE ONLY PUBLIC ENTITY IN THE AREA THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO COME AND SPEAK. FOR AN UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME. PEOPLE EXPECT THAT OF US. I DON'T EXPECT THAT TO CHANGE. THE FACT -- WHILE I THINK THE IDEA OF THE COMMENT CARD IS GOOD, I THINK THERE ARE WAYS TO MAKE IT BETTER. AND ONE WAY -- AND I THINK THIS IS THE BEST WAY, IS TO HAVE A KIOSK TO TYPE IT. TYPING SOLVES EVERYTHING. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING PRINTED CLEARLY. THAT LADY TODAY TO CAME IN WHO BARELY WALKED UP HERE. SHE IS NOT GOING TO ASK FOR HELP. SHE JUST ISN'T. SHE IS GOING TO LEAVE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TO REALIZE FOR PEOPLE WHO COME HERE TO ASK FOR HELP. THEY WANT TO COME AND SPEAK TO US. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FILL OUT A CARD AND ASK FOR HELP. WE ALSO HAD TWO OR THREE PEOPLE WHO CAME IN LATE TODAY BECAUSE PEOPLE NOW KNOW THAT PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOT AT 9:00. PEOPLE CAN GAUGE WHEN TO COME. THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE. AND IF YOU HAD IT ON A COMPUTER, THEN IT COULD VERY SIMPLY JUST ADD THAT PERSON. IF YOU HAD A COMPUTER, YOU COULD TYPE IT IN, AND THEN SAY, ARE YOU HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT AN ITEM? YES. THE OTHER CONCERN IS -- MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT AGENDA ITEMS ARE. THEY DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THEY KNOW THAT IT IS ON AN AGENDA. BUT WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE. SO THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET AN AGENDA THING AND WITH LEAF THROUGH IT AND FIGURE IT OUT. I AM CONCERNED THAT WE ARE DOUBLING THE TIME TAKES WHEN WE CAN SAY, YES, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT AND HAVE A SUBJECT MATTER AND LEAVE IT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ORGANIZING IT. BECAUSE YOU CAN STILL GET A PRINT OUT OF THE ORDER. ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA. TO -- WHICH -- IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON SOMETHING ON TODAY'S AGENDA, BUT THEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO -- WHOEVER IS DOING IT WILL HAVE TO FIGURE WHAT TODAY'S AGENDA ITEM IS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO KNOW THAT. THEY ARE GOING TO SAY NO AND THEY END UP TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS ON THE AGENDA THAT THEY DON'T KNOW IS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE PEOPLE MOST PEOPLE WHO COME HERE DON'T HAVE OUR SYSTEM. IT TOOK ME FOREVER TO LEARN OUR SYSTEM. AND ALSO, WE ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A SIGN-IN SHEET. BY HAVING A KEYS OS CAN, YOU LITERALLY WILL HAVE IT ALL TOGETHER. PEOPLE COME HERE THAT SUPPORT. WE SEE THEM ALL THE TIME. THEY DON'T WANT TO SPEAK, BUT THEY ARE HERE TO SUPPORT. THERE ARE ALSO PEOPLE WHO COME AND SIT DOWN AND HEAR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY AND CHANGE THEIR MIND AND DECIDE THEY WANT TO GET UP AND SPEAK. THAT HAPPENS. ROBIN LOCKETT, HALF THE TIME WHEN SHE GETS UP HERE, THAT IS WHAT SHE IS DOING. I AM CONCERNED WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM FEELING FREE TO COME UP HERE. I THINK IT IS -- IF YOU WANT -- I UNDERSTAND THE NEED OF THE CLERK AND THE CHAIR TO -- TO SIMPLIFY IT, BUT I THINK THERE IS BETTER WAYS THAT DON'T MAKE MORE WORK FOR PEOPLE. SO I -- I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER IN MORE. THE T &I GROUP HAVE SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN TRY OUT JUST TO SEE HOW IT WORKS. AND I -- I AM JUST CONCERNED ABOUT ALL OF THIS, BECAUSE THERE IS STILL SO MANY UNKNOWNS. AND -- AND THE ONLY -- THE THING I DON'T WANT -- I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO WALK IN HERE AND FEEL ANY SENSE OF BARRIER TO SPEAKING. AND A KIOSK TYPE IN, THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT AND SIGN IN ANYWAY. FOR THEM A SIGN IN. AFTER YOU SIGN IN, THEN YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A SPEAKER WAIVER FORM. NOT A WAIVER FORM, BUT A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY DON'T HAVE TO SIGN IN ANYMORE. >>LYNN HURTAK: IFFER IN NOT SIGNING IN, HOW DO WE KNOW WHO IS HERE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE CARDS. THEY DON'T SIGN IN. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ARE OKAY HAVING PEOPLE IN CHAMBERS THAT AREN'T SPEAKING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: A PUBLIC MEETING HURTAK LAURA NORMALLY THEY SIGN IN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, NOT ALWAYS. A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DO COME UP TO SPEAK HAVE NOT SIGNED IN. YOU REALLY -- AND -- AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT FILLING OUT A CARD IS A LOT QUICKER THAN TYPING IN A KIOSK ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE A LONG LINE OF PEOPLE LIKE WE DID OUTSIDE TODAY. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM ALSO GOING TO TELL YOU THEY WILL NOT KNOW WHAT AGENDA NUMBER. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY DON'T HAVE TO. IF THEY PUT DOWN THE SUBJECT -- THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ON THAT BOX IS YES OR NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUT CRB OR SULPHUR SPRINGS. >>LYNN HURTAK: TAKE AGENDA ITEM OFF. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MANY CARDS -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I HOPE YOU HAVEN'T PRINTED THEM YET. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS WAS DESIGNED -- THIS WAS DESIGNED IN HOUSE AND PRINTED ON -- IT WAS PRINTED -- >>LYNN HURTAK: THESE ARE JUST SAMPLES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY ARE SAMPLES. MANISCALCO WE CAN PUT AGENDA NUMBER OPTIONAL OR -- THEY MAY NOT KNOW AND PUT THE BUDGET. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD JUST LIKE THE SUBJECT, BUT, AGAIN, I STILL THINK THAT A HAND-WRITTEN THING IS GOING TO BE A BARRIER. AND I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY STRONGLY DISAGREE THAT ONCE CARDS ARE ONLY ACCEPTED UNTIL THE BEGINNING OF GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY DISAGREE BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. SOMEONE WILL COME UP AND SAY I DIDN'T GET HERE IN TIME AND WE WILL LET HIM SPEAK BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO. WE ALREADY DON'T FOLLOW THESE RULES. THIS MORNING, EVERYONE SPOKE WITH COMMENDATIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS THE PROBLEM. >>LYNN HURTAK: BECAUSE WE DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: EXCUSE ME. MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION. IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES, JUST SAY SO AND I WILL SIT DOWN. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SAY THAT AGAIN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU DON'T INTEND ON FOLLOWING THE RULES, SAY SO AND I WILL SIT DOWN. >>LYNN HURTAK: MY POINT. TODAY OUR COMMENDATION. ONE OF US IS SUPPOSED TO SPEAK AND EVERY SINGLE OTHER PERSON SPOKE. SO IT TOOK TEN MORE MINUTES. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE SUPPOSE TO DO TO SAVE TIME. AND WE ARE NOT DOING IT ALREADY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ARE RIGHT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE THING -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO DIDN'T SPEAK BECAUSE FOLLOWING THE RULES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT STARTED ALREADY. I FORGOT ABOUT IT. I WON'T BE DOING IT AGAIN THEN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU CAN SPEAK. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THESE NEW RULES THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF ARE YOU NOT IN EFFECT AND DON'T TAKE EFFECT UNTIL JUNE 20. WE ARE SCHEDULING EVERYTHING ELSE. YOU CAN MAKE -- YOU CAN CAN PROACTIVE NOW, BUT TECHNICALLY, UNTIL YOU -- UNTIL YOU PASS IT TODAY IT DOESN'T TAKE EFFECT AND NOW FOR JUNE 20. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD, LISA? >> NO, I WANT TO SAY WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT CARD, THIS IS JUST A SAMPLE, SAMPLE SAMPLE THAT WE DID. WE CAN MAKE ANY CHANGES THAT COUNCIL FEELS HAPPY WITH. WE WANTED TO SHOW SOMETHING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND IT DOESN'T ADD THINGS THAT OTHER JURISDICTION DO LIKE YOUR ADDRESS OR YOUR TELEPHONE NUMBER OR YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS. MIND YOU -- AND -- IT WAS A SUGGESTION THAT WAS ADDED. IT SAYS HERE ON THE BOTTOM. TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW JUST LIKE A SIGN-IN SHEET OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU TURN IN, IT BECOMES A PUBLIC RECORD. IT SAYS INFORMATION PROVIDED ON THIS CARD IS A PUBLIC RECORD AND SPEAKERS WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY NAME SPEAK. THAT WAY PEOPLE DON'T CHOOSE WHEN THEY GET TO SPEAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO MR. SHELBY, WHEN -- YOU ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO SCAN KNEES AND PUT IT INTO PUBLIC RECORD. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE CLERK KNOW THAT IS GOING TO BE DONE. MIND YOU, THE KEY -- THE KEY HAVING A KIOSK AND STOPPING IT AT PUBLIC -- THE START OF PUBLIC COMMENT IS THAT IS WHEN YOU KNOW EXACTLY AT THAT POINT IN TIME HOW MANY SPEAKERS THERE ARE. KEY IS WHOEVER IS WORKING TO WORK THIS THING DOES NOT HAVE TO BE THERE THROUGHOUT THE HOUR -- THE HOUR AND A HALF THAT PUBLIC COMMENTS TAKE ON THE OFF-CHANCE THAT SOMEONE WILL COME THROUGH. THAT'S WHY THE CHAIR ALWAYS NOW KNOWS -- HAS NO IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE SPEAKING PUBLICLY UNTIL THE END OF THE DAY, BUT NOW THE START OF PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW WHO SPEAKS ON THE AGENDA AND OFF THE AGENDA. JUST A SUGGESTION, COUNCIL. AND BY THE WAY, I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF GOING THE ELECTRONIC ROUTE. AND A REMINDER, COUNCIL. I DID PRESENT WHAT HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY DOES, AND I SPOKE WITH JENELLE. HER COUNTERPART IN THE COUNTY AND I INVITED THEM TO GET IN TOUCH WITH EACH OTHER BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THEY USE KIOSK. PREREGISTRATION. PEOPLE THAT COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND COME TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND STAND UP THERE AND SAY I ALREADY SIGNED IN THREE DAYS AGO FROM HOME. THEY REREGISTER AND WALK IN THE COUNTY COMMISSION. I AM IN FAVOR OF THAT, BUT I SUGGEST FOR CITY COUNCIL, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE CROSSED OFF. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR. FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU ALL PUT INTO THIS. I GOT THE IMPRESSION THIS COMES FROM YOU ALL, BEHIND THE SCENES, THE STAFF. THAT YOU WANTED THIS BECAUSE -- WHEN WE -- WHEN WE DISCUSSED OUR POLICIES AND PROCEED A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK, THIS WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE KIND OF KNOCKED OFF AND SAID NO TO. SO IT IS COMING BACK BECAUSE YOU ALL -- JUST A SECOND. THAT IS THE IMPRESSION THAT I -- THAT I GOT FROM SUE LING THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PREFERENCED. ONE OF THE THINGS FOR CERTAIN THAT OUR PUBLIC -- THE PEOPLE THAT COME AND SPEAK AT PUBLIC COMMENT, THEY HAVE STROO STRATEGY. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO WAIT. THEY LIKE HEARING OTHER PEOPLE OUT. AND THEY -- IT IS A TIMING THING. THEY -- THEY ARE GOING TO TOTALLY BE UPSET, I BELIEVE, IF THEY ARE CALLED AND THEY ARE CALLED TO SPEAK FOURTH AND THEY REALLY WANT TO BE 17th. YOU KNOW THAT WILL BE A PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE I SEE THEM DO IT ALL THE TIME. THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO DON'T TALK OF AGENDA ITEMS AT ALL. AND SO, IT IS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, PROSTITUTES AND WHATEVER ELSE THAT MAY BE ON A PERSON'S PARTICULAR MIND THAT DAY. OR REPARATIONS AND YOU KNOW, THERE IS THE SUBJECT MATTER. ALSO IS AT ISSUE DEPENDING ON HOW YOU ARE GOING TO SORT THEM. WHAT CATEGORY DO YOU MUTT THEM IN. DO THEY GO FIRST OR LAST? SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS. AND THEN THE OTHER IS THAT CITY AND STATE, IT IS NOT NECESSARILY NECESSARY. THE FIRST LINE CAN BE FIRST NAME AND LAST LINE CAN BE LAST NAME FOR MORE SPACE TO WRITE. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT CITY AND STATE WE ARE FROM. BECAUSE THIS IS THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND, YOU KNOW, I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS. AND -- THE LIMITATION PART IS ALSO AN ISSUE. I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY ELSE, THE COUNTY AND, YOU KNOW, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS HAS A RULE OR A LIMITATION, BUT REALLY, THAT IS NOT WHAT HOLDS UP OUR MEETINGS. SO UNLESS IT IS A REALLY, REALLY BIG ISSUE, YOU KNOW, THAT COMES FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S DISTRICT. WHEN THEY COME, WE WILL BE HERE IN 4:00 IN THE MORNING AND WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE THEY WILL BE UPSTAIRS AND DOWNSTAIRS. WE CAN'T PREVENT THAT. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT THAT WE ARE LIMITING SOMETHING TO 45 MINUTES. THAT IS NOT -- THAT IS NOT -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: ACTUALLY, FRANKLY, THE NIGHT MEETINGS DO NOT HAVE TIME LIMITS AT ALL. THEY ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE HAVE TO GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT EVIDENCE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S PEOPLE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: STILL COME AND KEEP US TO 4:00 IN THE MORNING AND WEAR RED T-SHIRTS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I FEEL THOUGH -- AS THOUGH THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR US ARE ASKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. BUT IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO WORK FOR US THEM. AND IF THE CARD IS JUST FOR SIGNING IN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW -- AS SOON AS THE CLERK MAYBE -- THE CLERK HAD THEM. SHE GETS THEM ALL. AS SOON AS THEY COME UP TO SPEAK, CAN PULL THEIR CARD AND SAY, OKAY, THAT PERSON -- BECAUSE SHE HAS -- THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THEIR NAME RIGHT. IF WE ARE GIVING THEM TO THE CLERK, THE ORDER SHOULD NOT MATTER TO US AND WE SHOULDN'T DETERMINE THE ORDER. BECAUSE THE ORDER IS ABOUT STRATEGY FOR SOME OF OUR REGULAR FOLKS THAT COME. YOU KNOW, THEY ARE VERY -- THE REGULAR SPEAKS THEY ARE VERY -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: YEAH, BUT, IT IS STRATEGIC, WHAT ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO COMES HERE EARLY AND WANTS TO SPEAK FIRST. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE CAN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. AND -- AND PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR MIND. EVEN US. WE MAY -- I AM NOT GOING TO SPEAK AND SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW GUARANTEE IF BILL CARLSON SAYS SOMETHING OF EAST TAMPA, I AM TURNING ON MY LIGHT THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WANT TO SPEAK. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION IS, TO WHAT DEGREE DOES COUNCIL WANT TO HAVE SOME SENSE OF ORDER OVER PUBLIC COMMENT. EVEN TO THE DEGREE ALL THIS KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE SPEAKING AND HOW -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE NEED FOR THE CARD TO RECORD THE NAME. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE CLERK HAS SURVIVED IN THE 20 YEARS I HAVE BEEN HERE -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US, ORDER? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT YOU REALLY WANT. >> WITH THE. >> THE REASON WE CAME WITH THIS BECAUSE COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN CAME TO US WITH A MOTION -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE CAN GO TO THE -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: HE MADE A MOTION AND SAID WHAT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME PUT IT ON THE SCREEN. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT DID DO YOU ALAN? >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL. A MEMO I SENT TO YOU ON 22nd, MAY REGULAR MEETING AND THERE IT SAYS MOTION AND WAS MADE BY COUNCILMAN VIERA. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. AND COUNCIL MOVES TO AMEND THE RULES OF PROCEDURE OF REQUIRING PUBLIC COMMENT CARD REGISTRATION. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK BEING ABSENT. THIS WAS A DIRECTION OF COUNCIL. AND ALL OF THIS THAT HAS BEEN DONE WAS BEING DONE ON THE BASIS OF THAT MOTION. >> WASN'T ANYONE BEHIND THE SCENES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE PUBLIC COMMENT CARD BUT NOT THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE OF WHO GOES FIRST AND LAST AND THAT -- THAT IS NOT A PART OF THE MOTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE WERE LOOKING AT FAIRNESS BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS THE PERSON WHO KOIMS IN EARLY IS THE FIRST PERSON PUTTING A CARD HAS A EXPECTATION IF THEY ARE HERE AND RATHER THAN LINE UP ON THE WALL BECAUSE COULD BE SOMEBODY THAT COMES IN -- I HAVE SEEN THIS HAPPEN -- THAT WANTS TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK FIRST, BY THE TIME COUNCILMEMBER -- EXCUSE ME THE CHAIR SAYS NOW WE ARE READY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT WALL IS FULL. WHEN THAT WALL EMPTIES OUT, OTHER PEOPLE STILL SITTING THERE THAT YOU THINK ARE DONE AND SIX MORE PEOPLE GET UP TO SPEAK. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHY DOES THAT BOTHER YOU SO MUCH. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IN ALL CANDOR AND I HEARD THIS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, APPLICANT WHO ARE HERE WITH ATTORNEYS, WHO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS WHO ARE SET FOR 9:30, 10:00 IN THE MORNING -- 10:0, I HEARD IT FROM STAFF -- PARDON? AND -- AND THEN -- AND THEN WHAT WE HEARD IS, YOU DON'T GET TO WHAT IS ON THE CITY BUSINESS, WHICH IS THE CONSENT DOCKET AND THE PUBLIC HEARINGS UNTIL LATE IN THE DAY. AND THE OTHER THING I ALSO JUST WANT TO POINT OUT SO YOU KNOW, THAT EVERYTHING -- EVERYTHING ON THIS AGENDA UNDER STAFF REPORTS AND CEREMONIAL AND PRESENTATION IS ALL CREATED BY MOTIONS OF CITY COUNCIL. SO THIS IS YOUR AGENDA. WHAT HAPPENS IS, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO COME HERE TO SEEK REDRESS FROM THE GOVERNMENT OR TO HAVE SIGN OFF ON THE MAYOR AND SIGN OFF WITH A CONTRACT AND THEY HAVE TO GET TO THEIR STUFF SOON. AND THAT IS THE FEEDBACK THAT -- THAT I HAVE BEEN GETTING, THE CLERK HAS BEEN GETTING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN GIVING AND GETTING. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU SAY ADMINISTRATION. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? >>MARTIN SHELBY: A LOT OF -- A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THESE RULES THAT COUNCIL DISCUSSED ARE WAYS TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT FOR THE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO PERFORM THEIR JOB. IF THE STAFF IS ONLY HERE -- IF THE STAFF IS HERE -- IF SENIOR STAFF IS HERE EVERY THURSDAY OF A REGULAR MEETING, THEY HAVE LOST 20% OF THEIR PRODUCTIVITY FOR THE WEEK. >>GWEN HENDERSON: NOT IF THEY COME BY SCREEN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: DEPENDS. THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU WILL GET TO THEM FRANKLY. PART OF THE PROBLEM. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THEY ARE WORKING FROM THEIR OFFICE. THEY CAN JUST -- IT CAN HAPPEN EASILY, LIKE VIK DID. HE LOGGED IN WHEN IT WAS HIS TURN. IT IS AN EFFICIENT WAY OF DOING IT. THAT IS WHAT I WOULD WANT TO DO KEEP WORKING FROM MY OFFICE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANYWAY, I AM -- THESE ARE NOT MY RULES. THESE ARE NOT THE STAFF'S RULES. THESE ARE NOT THE CLERK'S RULES. ULTIMATELY YOUR RULES. THIS IS YOUR MEETING. I SIT THERE. I AM WILLING TO PLAY PARLIAMENTARIAN IF I HAVE TO, IF THE CHAIR WANTS ME TO. AGAIN, IF THESE DON'T MEET WITH YOUR I CAN TENSION OF WHAT YOU WANT THIS MEETING TO BE, TELL ME HOW WE CAN CHANGE IT OTHERWISE WE CAN KEEP THINGS THE WAY WE ARE. AND I DO ASK ONE MORE THING. BECAUSE I HEARD THIS FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE. IF COUNCIL -- IF COUNCIL -- I TAKE A HINT. WHAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE STILL TALKING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WILL SHUT UP. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>MARTIN SHELBY: GO AHEAD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST VERY, VERY BRIEFLY ON THE CARD ISSUE THAT COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN MOTIONED FOR. I SUPPORT THAT. ANYTHING ELSE I DON'T SUPPORT. I DON'T SUPPORT IF YOU ARE OFF AGENDA TIME GOES DOWN TO TWO MINUTES. I DON'T SUPPORT OVERALL PUBLIC COMMENT TO 45 MINUTES. I DON'T THINK WE WILL ENFORCE IT. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THINGS REMEMBER GOING TO ENFORCE. THE CARD WE ARE GOING TO ENFORCE. BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH THAT. WITH REGARD TO THE SUBJECT LINE ON THE AGENDA ITEM. THEY CAN EITHER PUT THE AGENDA ITEM OR THE SUBJECT LINE. I STRONGLY SUGGEST IT FOR THIS, IF WE DO PASS IT, IT PASSED 6-0 LAST TIME. IF WE PASS IT TODAY, GIVE IT A MONTH TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON THIS COULD BE A TEST PERIOD SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. THIS IS A DISASTER AND WE GO BACK TO THE SYSTEM AND I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT ADDRESS AS CHALLENGE WHICH IS ORGANIZATION AND ORDER IN US AND NOBODY'S FAULT UP HERE AT ALL. EVERYBODY DOES A A PLACE THAT ACCOMMODATING TO PUBLIC COMMENT HOW SHOULD I SAY TAME THE EXCESSES. PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOT THE REASON WHY. AND TAPE THE EXCESSES AND TO ME NOT THE REASON WHY MEETINGS WENT LONG. IT IS NOT. THE CARD YOU PROPOSED, WE CAN REFORM IT A LITTLE BIT AND I AM FINE WITH THAT. I THINK THAT IS FINE. THAT'S IT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE ORDER OF THE CARD. >>LUIS VIERA: IF YOU GET HERE, YOU DO IT -- SOMEBODY HAS AN AGENDA AND WANT TO SPEAK LAST AND ITS THEIR TIME, I AM SORRY, WE HAVE A MEETING TO RUN. THAT'S -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TWO LITTLE THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, I BELIEVE THE CARD HAS TO BE PUT IN SOME DEGREE IN SPANISH LANGUAGE BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME PEOPLE -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO IT DOUBLE SIDED AND ONE SIDE ENGLISH AND ONE SIDE SPANISH. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SAVE MONEY, THREE LANGUAGES INSTEAD OF TWO. THE NEXT THING IS THIS. I KNOW THAT THE RULE SAYS YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. BUT IT SHOULD BE IN THE CARD THAT YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON WHATEVER ITEM YOU WANT AND IF NOT, WE ARE GOING TO GET CHALLENGED. IF IT IS NOT ON THE CARD THAT THEY SIGN, THEY WILL SAY I DIDN'T READ THE OTHER PART. THIS CARD DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT TIME. I BELIEVE JUST FOR SAFETY REASONS, PUT THE THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT. THAT'S ALL. JUST MY SUGGESTION. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GREAT SUGGESTION. I THINK THAT IS A REAL GOOD -- ADDING THE THREE MINUTES SO CLEAR COMMUNICATION AND MEETING PEOPLE'S EXPECTATION. A GREAT IDEA. I THINK EVERYBODY IS KIND OF OVERTHINKING THIS. A RELATIVELY SIMPLE PROCESS. I DON'T NECESSARY ALY DISAGREE WITH THE AGENDA AND SUBJECT. WHICHEVER YOU WANT YOU PICK. I DO LIKE THE ORDER. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS OBSERVING IN COUNCIL AND MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE -- WHEN THINGS HEATED THIS LINING UP ON THE WALL. IF SOMEBODY -- I THINK IT IS A SECURITY ISSUE. WE HAVE ONE PERSON IN HERE THAT IS A POLICE OFFICER. IF SOMEBODY WAS REALLY UP TO SOME NEFARIOUS NO GOOD WITH HAVING PEOPLE MILLING ABOUT AND HAVE WHAT WE -- THE SITUATION WE CREATED. I DON'T THINK ANY SECURITY REVIEW WOULD PASS THIS AS AN ACCEPTABLE WAY OF DOING BUSINESS. NO SECURITY PERSON WOULD SAY THIS IS -- INSIDE THE CHAMBER. I MEAN SOMEBODY WHO WANTED TO DO SOMETHING WITH FOLKS MILLING ABOUT. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT ONCE YOU SET -- ONCE PEOPLE -- PEOPLE ARE CREATURES OF HABIT AND GET A CERTAIN LEVEL OF COMFORT AND THEY KNOW -- AGAIN, THIS ORDER. THEY KNOW WHERE THEN AND WHAT TIME THEY ARRIVE. THAT WILL EVENTUALLY AS PEOPLE GET USED TO THIS, THEY WILL GET COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. I THINK WE HAVE TO -- WE CAN'T BE AFRAID OF CHANGE JUST BECAUSE IT IS CHANGE. WE GIVE THIS A TRY. IT IS NOT CONCRETE. AND, AGAIN, EVEN ELECTRONIC VERSION. NOW IT IS FUNNY THOUGH THAT -- I DON'T NECESSARILY DISAGREE WU BECAUSE I AM A TECH GUY. I LIKE THE IDEA OF A KIOSK. I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA. THE IRONY, I WOULD EXPECT THE ARGUMENT TO BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THIS IS THE SIMP FORM AND EVERYBODY IS COMFORTABLE WITH PEN AND INK WITH THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND PEOPLE WHO SHOW UP HERE INCLUDING CHARLIE MIRANDA WHO IS AFRAID OF COMPUTERS AND MAY BE AN OBSTACLE FOR SOME FOLKS. AS MARTIN SHELBY SAID KEEPING IT FROM BEING BACKED UP, YOU COULD HAVE PEOPLE FILLING OUT CARDS WHETHER HOW MANY KIOSKS WILL WE HAVE FOR PEOPLE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I ALSO AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS OF THE PROPOSAL OF THE TWO MINUTE THING. A NONSTARTER. THAT IS JUST OUT OF THE WAY. HAVING THREE MINUTE ON THE CARD IS A BRILLIANT IDEA. AND I -- HONESTLY I WAS OKAY WITH THE 45 MINUTES UNTIL VIERA SAID SOMETHING THAT TUGGED ON MY INTELLECTUAL STRINGS. WE ARE GOING TO WAIVE IT ANYWAY, WHAT IS THE POINT. KNOWING THIS COUNCIL, WE WILL WAIVE IT ANYWAY. LET'S BE DONE WITH THAT CONCEPT AS WELL AND WE CAN ALWAYS REVISIT IT IF WE HAVE TO. SO THREE MINUTES. TEST OUT THESE CARDS WHETHER IT IS THE AGENDA AND OR SUBJECT. COME SI. COME SA. I THINK SPANISH ON THE REVERSE SIDE. YOU DON'T WANT ME TO IT BECAUSE DAYS DOS CERVEZA FOR FAVOR. DONDE ESTAS EL BANO. I APPRECIATE THE WORK AND THAT OUR CLERK STAFF REALLY SUPPORTS IT. OTHER PEOPLE OBSERVE -- THE ADMINISTRATION SIDE SUPPORTS THIS. I THINK AS PEOPLE GETS COMFORTABLE WITH IT. CHANGE IS HARD. PEOPLE DON'T LIKE CHANGE. IF THEY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, THEY WILL LIKE THE PREDICTABILITY. NICE IF PEOPLE STAY SEATED. ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WITH MOBILITY ISSUES AND THE CHAIR SAY WHO IS UP NEXT. BATTER UP. I THINK THIS WILL BE ULTIMATELY BE A GOOD MOVE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK IT SHOULD WERE DONE ON A TRIAL PERIOD. TRY IT FOR A FEW MONTHS, 90 DAYS. IF IT IS A TOTAL FAILURE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE CAN DO IT OURSELVES. LET IT GO. WE ALWAYS -- EVERYTHING -- THIS COUNCIL, EVERYTHING IS SUBJECT TO REVIEW AT ANY GIVEN MEETING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOUR RULES ALLOW YOU TO WAIVE YOUR RULES FOR ANY PARTICULAR -- [ LAUGHTER ]. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A RULE TO WAIVE OUR RULES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I CAN SHOW IT TO YOU. COUNCIL, WHILE WE ARE ON SUBJECT, I KNOW -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WAIT, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO I AM JUST GOING TO HAM THEY ARE AGAIN. THE PUBLIC IS WHY WE ARE HERE. WE NEED TO MAKE SPACE FOR THEM. WE HAVE BIG BUSINESS, BUT THE PUBLIC IS OUR BUSINESS. SO THEY SHOULD -- IF THEY COME DOWN HERE, FIND A PARKING SPACE, PAY FOR THE PARKING SPACE AND COME HERE, THEY WANT TO BE HEARD. SO THEY ARE THE REASON WE ARE HERE. THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH THE ORDER. I DISAGREE WITH THAT. BECAUSE COMMENT CARDS ARE NOT GOING TO BRING ORGANIZATION TO THIS. THE WHOLE NATURE IS THAT EVERY DAY IS DIFFERENT. WE CAN'T BUY TIME, FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE AND WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING. WE HAVE A BALL PARK. WE KNOW STAFF REPORTS ARE GOING TO BE IN THE AFTERNOON AFTER LUNCH, THAT IS ABOUT ALL WE KNOW. AND SOMETIMES THEY ARE EARLIER. BUT USUALLY THEY AREN'T. AND THAT IS NEVER GOING TO CHANGE. SO I GUESS, AS A FORMER TEACHER -- AND I THINK THIS IS WHY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON IS ALSO KIND OF LIKE -- I THINK WE HAVE THE SAME WAVELENGTH HERE. IF WE ARE USED TO WORKING IN -- FLEXIBILITY. YEAH. THAT IS REALLY WHAT YOU DO. YOU ARE USED TO -- YOU ARE READY TO GO. SO I -- I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE ORDER OF OUR MEETINGS. I THINK THEY GO VERY WELL. COMMENT CARDS WILL NOT BRING THE ORGANIZATION THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, BECAUSE THE NATURE OF THIS JOB, OF THIS MEETING, IS FLEXIBLE. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING UP THE POSITIONS, BECAUSE AS A FORMER NEIGHBORHOOD LEADER, WE DID. THAT IS PART OF -- THAT IS THE PART OF THE STRATEGY AS TO WEB YOU SPEAK. AND -- AND, AGAIN, THERE IS -- THERE IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT RULE DASH WHOLE DIFFERENT WAY YOU GO ABOUT IT WHEN YOU ARE SITTING ON THAT SIDE AND THE THING IS, YOU ARE CONCERNED OF THE KIOSK VERSUS THE CARDS. HAVING AN ACTUAL KIOSK IS BASICALLY THE SAME THING AND PEOPLE WILL NOT STAY SEATED. THEY JUST WON'T PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO DON'T LIKE TO SIT. THEY ARE GOING TO STAND BECAUSE THEY WANT TO STAND. EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT CALLED TO NUMBER 20, THEY WILL STAY STANDING BECAUSE THAT'S MO THEY ARE. SO YOU CAN TELL WHO ARE STANDERS BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS STAND. BUT -- I AM JUST SAYING, JUST KNOWING WHAT I KNOW OF HUMAN NATURE AND -- WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THESE SAME PEOPLE FOR YEARS AND YOU CAN TELL WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE THEY ARE. SO THIS -- THIS IS WHAT I WOULD -- WHAT I WOULD -- I AM STILL NOT FOND OF THIS, BUT THIS IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO TRY. HOW ABOUT WE DO BOTH THE KIOSKS AND THE CARDS FOR DIFFERENT MEETINGS. AND FIGURE OUT AFTER SIX MONTHS, LIKE, WHICH ONE PEOPLE SEEM TO LIKE BETTER. WHICH ONE WE HAVE LESS CHAOS WITH SO WE CAN DO -- THEY WANT A SLOW ROLLOUT FOR THIS KIOSK THING ANYWAY. THEY WON'T BE FOR WORKSHOPS. THESE CARDS WON'T BE FOR WORKSHOPS, TRY IT FOR WORKSHOPS AND CRA AND USE IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU TOOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH. IF WE DID THAT, THE KIOSK WITH ZILLCRA AND MOVE FORWARD -- MAYBE THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL DISAGREEMENT OF HOW WE PERCEIVE OUR ROLES. THERE ARE OVER 400,000 PEOPLE PT WE ARE HERE FOR, NOT JUST THE FOLKS THAT SHOW UP IN COUNCIL CHAMBER. WE ARE HERE TO REPRESENT HUNDREDS THOUSANDS OF OTHER PEOPLE. AND OUR JOB TO EFFICIENTLY UTILIZE THE RESOURCES. AND I THINK THAT IS PART -- THIS MAY BE A STRUGGLE HERE IS FINDING THAT BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO. YOU KNOW, I THINK -- THIS IS SUCH A SMALL ASK, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD. I -- I DON'T HAVE THINK PROBLEM FOLLOWING YOUR SUGGESTION -- BECAUSE I THINK THAT PROBABLY ULTIMATELY WHERE WE WILL MOVE TO IS ELECTRONIC. LIKE OTHER PEOPLE. OTHER FORMS DO. SO I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT. USE THIS FORM FOR COUNCIL. AND RUN A TEST PERIOD FOR KIOSKS FOR OTHER MEETINGS. >>LYNN HURTAK: OTHER CHANGES I WOULD RECOMMEND TAKE CAN THE DATE OFF AND CITY AND STATE OFF. THE DATE ONLY BECAUSE EVERYTHING WILL BE FOR THAT ONE DAY. AND THEN WE WILL KNOW -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: SORRY TO INTERRUPT, WHO WILL PUT THE DATE ON. >>LYNN HURTAK: SCANNED IN ONE DAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT IF IT GETS SEPARATED. >>LYNN HURTAK: TAKE THE CITY STATE. TAKE AGENDA NUMBER OFF. I THINK PEOPLE WILL BE CONFUSED BY IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S SEE IF IT IS CONFUSING. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S JUST SEE. >>LYNN HURTAK: TAKE THE CARDS ACCEPTED UNTIL THE START OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE STAFFED. >>LYNN HURTAK: ULTIMATELY WE ARE GOING TO LET THEM SPEAK ANYWAY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOT NECESSARILY. >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS WHO WE ARE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I MAKE A MOTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM SORRY. I DON'T WANT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE. THAT IS NOT MY ROLE. I AM ASKING COUNCIL TO GIVE ME CLEAR DIRECTION AND I HEAR DIFFERENT THINGS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL VOTE AGAINST IT IF IT INCLUDES WAITING -- STOPPING, ALLOWING PEOPLE. I THINK, AGAIN, WE CAN SEE HOW YOU IT GOES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S SEE HOW THIS GOES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: CAN WE HAVE ONE VOTE RIGHT NOW. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC COMMENT FORM WITH THE ADDITION OF CLARIFYING THREE MINUTES AND SPANISH LANGUAGE ON THE REVERSE SIDE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND ELIMINATING THAT 45-MINUTE THING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SEPARATE FROM THE COMMENT CARD. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WAS A PREVIOUS MOTION, MADAM CLERK, THE 45 MINUTES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT WAS JUST A SUGGESTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: EVERYTHING THAT FOLLOWED THE 45 MINUTE IS NOT IN THE RULE. IT WAS PART OF MY SUGGESTION. THE 45-MINUTE -- THE LAST SENTENCE OF SECTION 5 C IS THE 45 MINUTES THAT THAT CAN COME UP. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT WAS JUST SAID. I ADD THAT. LET'S CLARIFY, MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE PUBLIC COMMENT FORM WITH ADDITION OF CLARIFICATION THAT PUBLIC COMMENTS IS THREE MINUTES. ADDITION OF HISPANIC -- OF SPANISH LANGUAGE ON THE REVERSE SIDE OF THIS. AND ELIMINATE THE 45 MINUTES RULE THAT IS INCLUDED IN SECTION B. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE AN AMENDMENT. B, SUBSECTIONS 5. >>LYNN HURTAK: >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SUBSECTIONS 5. >>LYNN HURTAK: ROLL OUT THE PUBLIC SPEAKER COMMENT CARDS FOR REGULAR MEETINGS ONLY. AND TRY THE KIOSK VERSION FOR CRA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE TO DO THAT IN A CRA MEETING. >>LYNN HURTAK: AND USE THE KIOSK FOR WORKSHOPS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I PRESENT THIS TO YOU IS ONLY FOR GENERAL PUBLIC WHICH WILL BE ONLY AT REGULAR MEETINGS ANYWAY. THIS IS ONLY TO BE USED ON THE FIRST AND THIRD. AND THEN -- NO OTHER TIME. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHICH IS WHY PART OF THE MOTION WILL BE -- THE ONLY REASON -- THE ONLY WAY I AM VOTING FOR THIS IF WE ARE DOING THE -- THE KIOSK AS PART OF IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I SUPPORT THE KIOSK. WE HAVE TO DO THE KIOSK DURING THE CRA MEETING. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, THE WORKSHOP. >>LUIS VIERA: SECOND THE MOTION -- AS A SECONDERER, I SUPPORT THIS AND VOTE ON THIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CALL THE QUESTION, RULE SUBSECTIONS. B. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM NOT IN A LOOP ON THAT. A BUDGETARY IMPACT ON THAT AND WIN THAT COMES FORWARD. THAT MAY BE AN AMENDMENT OF CITY COUNCIL BUDGET. SO KEEP IN IN MIND. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SAY THAT AGAIN SOMEBODY IN. >>LYNN HURTAK: COST MONEY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVERYTHING COSTS MONEY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE WERE INFORMED THAT AND BUDGETARY IMPACT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTE AND WE HAVE MORE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE REASON WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS IS THEY ARE WANTING TO ROLL THESE KIOSKS OUT IN ALL PUBLIC BUILDINGS. IF YOU GO TO T-MOB, THAT'S HOW YOU WILL SIGN IN. MAKE BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL MAKES SENSE BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL BE USED TO IT. HANNA WILL HAVE IT. T-MOB WILL HAVE IT. GOING TO BE DOWNSTAIRS. WHEN THEY COME UP, THEY CAN -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU GOT YOUR AMOUNT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. LISA, YOU ARE GREAT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT CONCLUDES THE AGENDA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE CAN MAKE SIMPLE COMPLICATED JUST LIKE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: A SPECIAL SKILL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. WE WILL GO TO NEW BUSINESS. SIR? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CLAIRE PRO TEM RECOGNIZES CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION FOR ROY HARRISON CROSS COUNTRY COACH FOR 42 YEARS. HE IS A LEGENDARY COACH WITH LIFE SKILL MENTORING AND COACHING YOUNG WOMEN DURING HIS ENTIRE CAREER. I WILL COORDINATE AN APPROPRIATE DATE FOR THIS COMMENDATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. HIGH TEMPERATURES, HURTAK IS WHAT I HEARD FIRST. MAYBE I WAS HEARING WRONG. OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR GAVEL BACK OR I WILL STEAL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM JUST SAYING. BILL CARLSON HAS BEEN VERY QUIET. I WANT TO MAKE SURE HE IS STILL HERE. >>BILL CARLSON: UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO TALK. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT ME, I LOVE CONVERSATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AYES HAVE IT. IT WAS UNANIMOUS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU HAVE NEW BUSINESS? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES, OFFICER RICHARD MERCADO, THE MUNICIPAL GUARD RETIRING AFTER YEARS OF SERVICE, LIKE 17 OR LONGER WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS COMMENDATION THE LAST DAY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE DAY HE WORKS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA WHICH IS SEPTEMBER 192024. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE SECOND ONE, WOULD LIKE A MOTION TO ASK TECO -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHO WAS THE SECOND? COUNCILMAN VIERA WAS THE SECOND. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A MOTION FOR TECO TO COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL OF THE PROPOSED RATE INCREASE AND HARDSHIP ASSISTANCE. WE DID ONE FOR THE CITY AND WE FOUBDZ OUT THERE IS HARDSHIP ASSISTANCE FOR THE RESIDENCE AND ANY DATE THEY WANT IN AUGUST. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA -- MIRANDA. SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>BILL CARLSON: I NEED TO ABSTAIN FROM THAT ONE. I HAVE A CLIENT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NEW BUSINESS, TO INVITE TECO TO DISCUSS THE RATE INCREASE. A DATE TO BE DETERMINED BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO BE COORDINATE THE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CALL 813-274-2474. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANNOUNCE IT PLEASE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE MORE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HE HAS TO ANNOUNCE THE VOTE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CARLSON ABSTAINING. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN YOU ANNOUNCE THAT I AM ABSTAINING. >>CLERK: WITH CARLSON ABSTAINING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE NEXT ONE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA WON THE FIRST GAME 9-3 AGAINST INDIANAPOLIS, SEVENTH RANKED TEAM. NUMBER SIX IN THE COUNTRY AND THIS AFTERNOON, THEY BEAT NUMBER THREE 7-2. BUT ANGELA STATE AND IUP SOME AT 1:30 AND THE OFFICE OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP AND TAMPA WILL BE IN IT HURTAK WHAURZ IS THE SPORT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: UNITED STATES BASEBALL CHAMPIONSHIP DIVISION 2. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. >>GWEN HENDERSON: GO SPARTANS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: RESULTS. THIS IS JUST A MOTION. [LAUGHTER] >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT SOUNDED LIKE A MOTION THAT THE POINT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE NEED IT IN THE RECORD. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE WILL FIND OUT IF THEY WIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CERTIFY THE UNIVERSITY OF TAMPA AS WINNER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, SIR. >>LUIS VIERA: CORPORAL CARLOS BRITO FROM SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND DETECTIVE SANTOS, THE GENTLEMAN INJURED WHEN A PERSON RAN IN FRONT OF HIM. TERRIBLE INJURIES. I WAS SETTING SOMETHING UP HERE WITH THE CITY AND I WANTED TO GIVE HIM A CITY OF TAMPA COMMENDATION. I DON'T KNOW WHEN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. I HAVE A CHECK FOR BOTH THE GENTLEMAN IN MY CHECKBOOK. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG. I DIDN'T KNOW WHO TO MAIL IT TOO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MAKE SURE THE DATE IS NOT LONGER THAN 90 DAYS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A RUBBER CHECK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN. >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE A MEETING ON THE NEW TAMPA RECREATION CENTER IN WHAT APPEARS TO BE FROZEN POSITIONS FOR TAMPA PARKS AND REC THAT AFFECT THE NUMBER OF REC CENTERS. I WANTED TO GET A REPORT. IT CAN BE IN WRITING AUGUST 22 FROM PARKS STAFF ON FROZEN POSITIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >>LUIS VIERA: FOR NEW TAMPA ALL ABILITIES PARK. I SPOKE TO MR. MUSKY OF HAVING SIGNS OUT THERE THAT ARE DISABILITY FRIENDLY SIGNS TALKING OF AUTISM AWARENESS. DOWN SYNDROME AWARENESS TO PROMOTE THAT IDEA IN THE PARKS. I DO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT SEPTEMBER 19, 2024. AGAIN A REPORT. DON'T NEED FOR IN PERSON. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. A SECOND? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>LUIS VIERA: NOT A MOTION, BUT KARAOKE AT FOREST HILLS. I HOPE TO SEE EVERYBODY THERE. WE WILL PICK A SONG TO EMBARRASS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT YOU DID LAST YEAR -- LIKE A YEAR AGO AT THIS TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU CAN COME. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I CAN'T COME. MY LIFE IS FULL OF THINGS TO DO. >> WHOA! >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TOUR GOOD FOR US. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I HAVE STUFF TO DO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU DON'T WANT TO SING MY MOCKING -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: I HAVE TO RUN THE BOOK STORE. I HAVE STUFF TO DO. YOU KNOW WHAT I JUST WATCHED -- I WATCHED THE VIDEO OF HURTAK, YOU AROUND ME CHOPPING, STRIKING, GO BULLS. AND I JUST WATCHED IT THIS MORNING, LIKE A COUPLE OF TIMES. SAYS IT COOL. ALCO: I HAVE TO - >>GWEN HENDERSON: SO COOL. Y'ALL DIDN'T COME AND YOU WERE INVITED. OKAY. I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE TAMPA METROPOLITAN ALUMNI CHAPTER OF DELTA SIGMA THETA, INC. IN CELEBRATION OF DELTA DAYS ON CITY HALL JUNE 13 AND TO BE PRESENTED OFFSITE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT IS SO GOOD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN, ANY NEW BUSINESS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DO NOT. >>LYNN HURTAK: NOPE. >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I NEED -- I FILED MY FORMS A,B WITH THE CLERK. I NEED A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHAT FOR? >>BILL CARLSON: THE DISCLOSURE FORMS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: CONFLICT OF INTEREST. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. SECOND CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >>BILL CARLSON: ONE OTHER COMMENT REAL FAST IF I COULD. YOU PROBABLY SAW THE ARTICLE TODAY AND IT -- IT -- I WAS AT CONFERENCE AT THE KENNEDY SCHOOL AND THEY WERE TALKING OF THE TRUMP TRIAL AND THAT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF VALUE THAT CREATES. AND WHATEVER YOU THINK OF THE ARTICLE, IT CREATED SOME PUBLICITY VALUE. THE THING THAT BOTHERS ME OF THING LIKE THAT. I AM SOMEONE THAT PRIDES MYSELF OF BEING ETHICAL. AS YOU KNOW I HAVE BEEN CRITICAL OF THE LAST COUPLE OF ADMINISTRATION FOR ETHICS ISSUES WHICH IS WHY THEY FIRE BACK AT ME. BUT -- I RECUSE MYSELF WITH AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION A LOT OF TIMES. THE ETHICS COMMISSION WOULD RATHER HAVE YOU RECUSE YOURSELF THAN NOT. AND THEY EVEN HAD THE ADMINISTRATION PUSH A STORY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO OF ACCUSED ME OF RECUSING MYSELF TOO MANY TIMES AND RIDICULOUS AND THE ETHICS COMMISSION SAID IT WAS NOT VALID. ANYWAY, FIVE YEARS AGO, I WENT TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION REEMPT I HAVE ITLY. I SPENT THE WHOLE DAY THERE AND PRESENTED TO THEM TO THE ETHICS COMMISSION BOARD WHAT I CAN DO AND NO NOT DO. PRESUMPTIVE DECISION SO NOBODY WOULD SHOT HOLES. SOMETHING THAT NOBODY EVER DOES. I WANT TO PROTECT MYSELF, MY OWN REPU REPUTATION, CLIENTS AND COMPANY. AND IT IS FRUSTRATING WHEN PEOPLE TRY TO DRAW CONCLUSIONS. THE DIFFICULTY I HAVE IS THAT WHEN SOME THINGS ARE ON THE AGENDA, I CAN CHECK IT AND DO A THOROUGH BACKGROUND CHECK ON WHAT IT IS. I HAVE FIVE -- OUR OR FIVE OFFICES WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE DOING LOTS OF THINGS. AND I ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEONE ELSE THAT RUNS MY FIRM DAY TO DAY BECAUSE I HAVE TO SPEND MOST OF MY TIME HERE. DIFFICULTY IN NEW BUSINESS. WHEN YOU ALL BRING SOMETHING IN NEW BUSINESS, I NEVER KNOW -- LIKE -- COUNCILMAN MIRANDA JUST DID. I NEVER KNOW WHAT IS COMING IN NEW BUSINESS. AND YOU ALL COULD MENTION GIVING A COMMENDATION TO SOMEBODY. FOR ALL I KNOW A SENIOR OFFICIAL OF A CLIENT COMPANY. SO I ALWAYS HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT. IF I KNOW A BIT OF IT, I CAN TRY TO ADDRESS IT. YOU WILL MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE THESE ISSUES OF THE BUSINESSES YOU ARE IN, BUT MOST PEOPLE THAT ARE IN REGULAR BUSINESS IN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF ISSUES. PJUST SO Y I TURN DOWN ANY CLIENT THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND NONE OF MY STAFF ARE ALLOWED TO DO ANY BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. I EVEN BROUGHT MARTY TWICE TO MY OFFICE TO GIVE ALL MY STAFF A LESSON ON WHAT THEY CAN NOT DO AND ALL MY STAFF UNDER STRICT INSTRUCTION THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING RELATED TO THE CITY OF TAMPA. I WANT YOU ALL AND MY COLLEAGUES AND THE PUBLIC TO KNOW I TAKE ETHICS VERY SERIOUSLY AND I WILL CONTINUE TO DO EVERYTHING THAT I CAN. IF ANY WAY YOU CAN NOT BLINDSIDE ME IN NEW BUSINESS, THAT WILL BE VERY APPRECIATED. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I WILL DO MY BEST TO PREEMPTIVELY RECUSE MYSELF. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. I WOULD LIKE TO COMPLAIN TO THE TAMPA BAY TIMES. IT SEEMS AS IF THEY PHOTO SHOPPED YOUR TIE OUT OF THE PICTURE. AND HOW COME YOU GET A PICTURE THAT YOU LOOK PRETTY GOOD AND EVERY TIME THEY TAKE A PICTURE OF ME R I LOOK LIKE A HOMELESS PERSON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I APPRECIATE YOU ADDRESS THAT IN PERSON IN FRONT OF US BECAUSE A TOUCHY SUBJECT AND -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE FACT HE DOESN'T WEAR A TIE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE FACT OF THE ARTICLE THAT HE DOES PRO BONO WORK FOR THE ORGANIZATION OR HIS COMPANY DOES. AND SO -- I AM GLAD THAT YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IT HERE. BECAUSE I DEFINITELY WOULD WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT IT. AND WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF WHAT MAY COME BEFORE US. >>BILL CARLSON: THE OTHER THING JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW AND EVERYBODY AT THE TIMES KNOW THIS, IF WE HAVE A CLIENT AND WORKING ON THE CRISIS ISSUE, THE FIRST THING YOU SAY TO THEM IS BE HONEST, THOROUGH, AND GET ALL INFORMATION OUT QUICKLY. AND SO IF YOU SEE ANY ORGANIZATION THAT YOU THINK IS NOT DOING THAT, THAT OBVIOUSLY MEANS MY FIRM IS NOT WORKING WITH THEM OR WE ARE NOT WORK ON THIS TOPIC. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHEN OVER 18, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY APOLOGY, BUT WE DID NOT DIRECT OUR ATTENTION TO THE RESOLUTION TO NUMBER 93, WHICH WOULD BE REQUIRED UNDER YOUR RULES TO BE READ. THE TITLE IS IN THE AGENDA. AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE IT AS AMENDED BY CITY COUNCIL'S MOTION AS PREVIOUS TO THAT. BUT THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO EFFECTUATE ANYTHING WITHIN YOUR RULES OF PROCEDURES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD LIKE TO READ THE RESOLUTION FOR ITEM 39. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ADOPTING THE RULES AND PROCEDURES AS AMENDED AND RESTATE ITS ENTIRETY. AND THE CITY OF TAMPA PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE WITH THE NOTES DISCUSSED DURING OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: OUR RULES ARE EFFECTIVE, THE NEW ONES WE CREATED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WITH THE MOTION. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND. WE ARE ADJOURNED. [GAVEL SOUNDING]